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My dad has met him through his job, and said he was very respectful and humble. This was on the campaign trail this last year.
mmmcarbs ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 16:48:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing "humble" in relation to him seems crazy given the campaign tone but all these stories seem to point that way. Fascinating and weirdly comforting.
I hope he flips and just is the best president ever. So far so good
RickyHaze ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:28:51 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah can't really believe all what the media puts out.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:12:10 on November 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does he seem like such an egotistical dick anytime he is reported via the media? Or is it just a spin that the media puts on him? Or is it just a persona he has that helps him garner more support/voters? I am genuinely curious about this.
Not a Trump fan here, but I will say when I listen to an actual speech in full from him, he seems a lot less dickish than hearing one-sentence quotes and Tweets. Not necessarily good, but at least not an outright dick.
[deleted] ยท 1310 points ยท Posted at 20:58:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be a cable tech in NYC and we would service trump tower on occasion. I got to replace the cable box in is "living room" and show him how to use on-demand to watch a movie. Made a joke about how he hates the company i worked for even though hes an investor. He then said thank you and had his assistant hand me a nice tip before we parted ways. Got 10s on the automated survey call after i finished the job, but im not sure if hes the one to thank for that since i doubt he put his number down when opening the account up.
Because people will immediately argue over the amount and whether or not it was enough of a tip and whether or not that makes him unfit to run the country.
drjams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:44 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no man. How much
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:39:04 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of it
drjams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds to me that you offered a remarkable service and so he treated you the same way with a decent amount of respect etc.
GabeDef ยท 637 points ยท Posted at 22:34:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not one of my better moments: In summer of 1996 I was working in the West Side. I took long walks for my lunch break and ended up in the SoHo area. I saw Trump exiting a limo and entering a restaurant. I yelled "Hey, Trump!" He turned and waved and I swear he said "It's Donald!"
Of all the things 20 year old me could have said...
The only thing better than another universe... is the multi-Pence universe we live in now
KatzDeli ยท 1313 points ยท Posted at 23:02:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Very New York story. I am eating dinner at the Silver Star Diner on 2nd avenue in NYC. This is about 1993. At the table next to me is comedian Jackie Mason. The Diner has floor to ceiling windows and outside walks by Trump, Marla Maples, Trump's parents and couple of other people. Trump sees Mason and walks in and heads to the table. On the way over, his father bumps into my table and knocks over my water. He apologizes and I say it's ok. Marla actually grabs some napkins and starts cleaning it. Trump goes on about what a horror it is (clearly joking) and says he will buy me a new water "as many as you want".
Then Jackie Mason goes on for 20 minutes about how cheap Trump is. He has the whole Diner in stitches. Trump jokes it's not his fault because he just gave Ivanka Ivana "a whole lot of money". Donald takes it well but he leaves about halfway through smiling and waiving at everyone.
So Cartman is an evil shit stain. Scott Tenorman was a kid who tricked Cartman into gluing Scott's shaved pubes onto Cartman's face. Cartman then goes around saying he's the most mature of the boys because he's the first to have pubes. After he realises he's been fooled, some shit happens and long story short, Cartman gets Scott's parents killed, ground up, and cooked into chili, which he then serves to Scott. It's a bit fucked up.
So the father bumped into the table? What did the father say??? My grandfather was the only person I recall that knew the father of Mr. Trump (Fred Trump) as he was a private equity chieftain. The father was a real gentleman too.
KatzDeli ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:46:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He apologized and then started laughing when his son made a joke of it. It really wasn't a big deal. I was a 23 year old kid just enjoying what was going on.
About 13 years ago my Mom brought my brother and I to New York because one of her friends let her stay in her house. We were from Ireland so this was a big deal and a big expense. My brother was around 5 or 6 and stressing my Mom out because he was complaining and acting up for the whole week. We were walking down some random street in Ney York and my brother was having a temper tantrum and my Mom was shouting at him. He had a spongebob squarepants toy in his hand and threw it at her. She ducked and it nearly hit Donald Trump who was also on the street.
He just laughed and said "Oh, there goes Spongebob".
"...said Donald, watching as Sandy and Spongebob went sailing through Bikini Bottom Fifth Avenue..."
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:51:54 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have to call bullshit on this. I am from Ireland. Nobody says 'We were from Ireland' - if you were born or grew up here, you're always from here, unless you're dead. Also, 'mom'. Nobody says that here. Add this to the fact that this thread is about the most unpopular man in the world and I'm almost positive that this little story is fiction. Like many of the others.
Yes I am from Ireland. I said "Mom" because it was going to be Americans reading it so it was easier than saying "Mam". I hate Trump so I don't really care if people think it didn't happen.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:09:07 on February 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you some Indian guy getting paid to write pro-trump stuff on the web? Your English is close but not there yet mate.
Yes I am from Ireland. I said "Mom" because it was going to be Americans reading it so it was easier than saying "Mam". I hate Trump so I don't really care if people think it didn't happen.
brixton75 ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 22:55:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked as a travel agent in a boitique agency. We planned his wedding to Marla Maples who was sweet as sugar. Donald Trump loved my boss but as i was a teen he treated me with civility but didnt pay me much mind. I also delivered tickets to his home a few times. His kids were always very nice. He brought my boss to work as his personal agent a few years later at Mara Lago. Overall he was a pleasant businessman conducting business. The only outstanding thing about them was how sweet Marla was.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:06:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've been really impressed with how she handled her relationship with him after their marriage ended. She's definitely been committed to putting the well-being of her daughter first and foremost. Of course it wasn't good of her to have an affair with a man she knew was married but her actions later on have really redeemed her. She's a great mother and has her priorities straight, I can totally believe that she's very sweet irl.
My dad actually went to high school with him. From what he's told me they were somewhat friends, but I don't think my dad really hung out with him too much. My entire life my dad has only ever had nice things to say about him, and describes him as a "prince."
Does your dad have any insight into Donald's father? All I have heard is that he was extremely hard on Donald and that is what has driven him today. Maybe his father was very harsh on the people around him and his employees and Donald never wanted to be like that?
My dad is a real estate lawyer in nyc and dealt with trump's dad on occasion (he wasn't Trump's lawyer, so only when his clients did business with Trump). He did say that his dad didn't have much nice to say about him (I remember him saying "his own father" in the conversation a lot). I always assumed this meant Donald Trump was an asshole, but maybe his dad was more of an asshole.
I think he's ruthless when it comes to his business dealings. I don't doubt business associates and lawyers would have a different perception of him vs the general public in this thread and people who knew him on a personal level. I wish I knew what that meant for the presidency.
I'm a little confused. His dad was the one saying bad things about donald. my dad just worked for people who had business with the trumps so he chatted with them during closings and occasional dinners
theguyS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:08:42 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't be surprised if trumps dad was really tough. Would explain a lot about Trump as a person.
Well, Trump's father business revolved around making low income housing. The profit margins on that are very low, and he would basically go to the building sites and make sure everything was being done as efficiently as possible, I'm sure he had to be quite stern to his workes to pull that off.
His father was stern but loving, and Donald was rebellious. Ended up going to military school for discepline, and he describes it as the best thing he's ever done.
(Source: interview my dad has recorded, forgot who it's by)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:57:10 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Donald's older brother was a huge disappoint to their dad which drove the older son to alcoholism at the end of his life before he died. Donald was naturally driven to succeed and win from a very early start. He saw what his brother couldn't do and did it and did it better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was actually interviewed about Donald Trump along with several other of their class mates. here is a link to the article. I don't want to give away his name for obvious reasons, but he's in there. If you have a question I'll ask him next time I talk to him, but like I said I don't think they were much more than friendly acquaintances.
Freiling ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:03 on December 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed, prince of darkness.
tafagr ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 22:39:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at a golf club that was eventually bought by Trump and became part of Trump National Golf Club. I quit a few years before he bought it but from talking to old co-workers and members at the club I've gathered that his son did a great job turning the golf club around and that him and his son are both very pleasant to deal with. One person noted that the son was very well grounded and down to earth, opposite what you'd expect from the son of a millionaire.
All the people I've talked to about him are rather wealthy, if that adds any perspective
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:20:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The oldest is Donald Jr (brown hair) who by all accounts is a great guy. The second son, Eric (blond hair), is supposedly the douchenozzle of the family.
I saw Donald, Melania, and Rihanna sitting next to each other in box seats at a Katy Perry concert in 2010. Rihanna was wearing pasties and that's about it. They all smiled a bunch and had a good time. When the show was over Donald walked down the stairs and the spotlight shown on him, and he waved to everyone.
I went to school with his daughter Tiffany so I had a few interactions with the Donald and all were positive. The one anecdote that I'll share is from the school plays. Tiffany was involved in the school theatre program and so was my brother so I was usually helping out as an usher for the plays. Donald attended all the plays that were put on despite living across the country from our school in LA. The thing that was most impressive was how here arrived to the plays, he was always late, just 1 minute late. He'd arrive and take his seat in the rear just after the house lights went down so he didn't draw any attention away from the kids. He'd slip out as quietly as he'd arrived, when he was at the school his focus was 100% on his daughter and not himself. Despite living in a pretty solid liberal area most people from that school admit that's it kind of hard to square our experiences with him up with the media's portrayal of him as a brash, egotistical idiot.
I went to school with his daughter Tiffany so I had a few interactions with the Donald and all were positive. The one anecdote that I'll share is from the school plays. Tiffany was involved in the school theatre program and so was my brother so I was usually helping out as an usher for the plays. Donald attended all the plays that were put on despite living across the country from our school in LA. The thing that was most impressive was how here arrived to the plays, he was always late, just 1 minute late. He'd arrive and take his seat in the rear just after the house lights went down so he didn't draw any attention away from the kids. He'd slip out as quietly as he'd arrived, when he was at the school his focus was 100% on his daughter and not himself. Despite living in a pretty solid liberal area most people from that school admit that's it kind of hard to square our experiences with him up with the media's portrayal of him as a brash, egotistical idiot.
[deleted] ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 00:09:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're dad sounds like an asshole. I'm sorry to hear that.
But it certainly doesn't make Donald a "sweet" person for hopping on his private jet, arriving late and then slipping out at the end. (Although surely he clearly would have met up with his daughter at some point). It's just one act of being not disgusting, self centred or arrogant.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 11:34:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Said private jet costs money to operate, both in fuel and manpower. Also, traveling costs time, a very limited asset for a business person. He may be rich, but you don't get rich by throwing money around, nor by wasting time.
By any reasonable metric, he could have simply skipped most of the plays and people would be understanding of it. Getting out of the way to see several high-school plays is, in most people's books, above what you would expect in that situation.
I just don't see why people are creaming their jeans because a dad went and saw his daughter's high school plays? Of course he had to fly across the country, but that's like taking a cab for a normal person. It just doesn't seem that remarkable... my dad went to my shows while I was growing up, as did most kids I know. I get it, not everyone's lucky to have that kind of father, but like... it's certainly not the grandest gesture y'all are making it out to be.
And yeah, I do hate Trump. He's an evil man. Attending his child's performances doesn't change my opinion of him.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:34:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why are you still pushing the Hillary thing?? I don't like Hillary. I don't support her policies, I don't like her as a person, i hated her campaign, and I don't particularly like the people that support her.
The arriving late and slipping out at the end part was for the benefit of the kids. You slip in and out low key to avoid making a spectacle and diverting attention from their play.
Also, it's kind of impressive that he made every one of them. Yeah, he's rich, but I'm positive he had to work around or put off important shit more than once to do that.
You might have had awesome parents that never missed the extracurricular activity you were passionate about, but for a lot of people, that isn't reality.
I consider my dad a top notch guy, love him to death. But he had to miss my stuff sometimes because he was busy with clients. Granted, my dad needed the money more than Trump did, but it still demonstrates that family is a top priority for Trump.
By every account I've ever heard, Hillary Clinton's included, Trump is a good father. Given how common it is for the megarich to just fill the parenting hole with money, it's nice to know that Trump isn't like that.
You don't have to like the guy as a person to respect him for being a good dad.
I clearly see why he slipped in quietly and left without a scene. You don't need to explain common social courtesy to me. I just don't think that proves he was an exceptional father. I also read many accounts that he was a very neglectful father. Even the ghost writer for his book, Tony Schwartz, said he rarely if ever spent time with his kids. But at the end of the day, I don't really care. It doesn't affect me personally and I just don't give a shit whether little Tiffany or Don Jr. ever saw their dad, it has nothing to do with me nor do I even think it reflects on his ability as president. Raising children and running a nation are two different things. I'm very surprised at all the backlash I got for just suggesting that this wasn't an "extremely sweet" thing to do, instead I implied it's what all "good" parents should do or aim to do, that's all. Everyone seems so intent on defending him, when really it is of little or no consequence what my personal opinion of him is.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:26:00 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why are you so upset over this? I don't know you and what my opinion is has little to no affect on you're life, yet you're willing to call an absolute stranger, whom you know nothing about, an asshole. All because I suggested that Trump isn't "extremely sweet"...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:08:58 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:36 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I actually believe that the guy who will be our president is the guy who gave the acceptance speech. I truly believe he wants everyone to be proud that he is our president when his term ends. I think all of the insane things he said were just said to get free publicity from the media so that he was always talked about.
I'm the same way. I choose to believe that he acted as a businessman, he saw a weakness in the political market (so to speak) and exploited it to it's full potential. I remain cautiously optimistic.
media's portrayal of him as a brash, egotistical idiot.
to be fair, i don't think he really helped himself out much in this regard...nonetheless, it is interesting to hear about his public persona conflicting with his personal one.
If he didn't double down on the crazy, there was no chance he would have made it past the primaries over someone like Rubio or Cruz. He did it to himself, but he did it for a good reason.
It's refreshing to see people recognize that Trump can be a nice person, and that the media portrayal of him isn't the be all, end all.
[deleted] ยท 204 points ยท Posted at 23:44:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Dalroc ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 23:54:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is literally what he's been saying for 30 years now, ever since the eighties. "You know, I don't want to, I really don't.. But I wouldn't rule it out, because I am real tired of the way this country is headed."
[deleted] ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 00:23:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 01:25:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm so happy this thread exists. I've been trying to show everyone the Donald that I've known and supported for 18 months, but it's been very difficult. One quote that's always stood out to me: "This Country has treated me so well. I had a good life, a great business, and a great family. But I thought, now it was my turn to give back." I have so much respect for Trump.
oldmermen ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 03:10:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread was. Wow.
fikme ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:31:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah , it's amazing , only for $1.. the guy doesn't even want the pay cheque .. will take all the stress for free ..
Do you know if you remember what video they linked?
kosif ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:32:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have a lot more faith in this if he wasn't surrounding himself with his current team.
serrol_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:13:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, I can't stand some of the wackos that he has on his team, either, but let's see if he has a strategy about it. Maybe it's to get politicians to support him. Maybe he chose the head of the RNC because the house Republicans will actually do what he says to do, instead of everything being a giant fight.
I'm really skeptical of whether the whole, "drain the swamp" thing will work, but he may know more than I do about politics and the people involved in it.
This is a really nice super-cut that ignores all the blatant racism that he uses to catapult himself to power. It's valuable to understand what the other side is hearing though. I knew mentally why people supported him, but when he said "I just want a job," I felt that connection. I feel like I get it now on a deeper level than I ever have.
Still, this video traces the eerie creation of a demagogue. It's creepy to see his rhetoric change throughout the years. It's as if he's putting on a persona in order to win votes. Like this person he's been for the last 18 months (and will probably be while in office) isn't the real him. It's like he's been gearing up to this for years, cozying up to the right wing, seeing how far he could get with Obama conspiracy theories. That type of calculation makes it all the more terrifying.
But, the real him does not matter, and his grandiose ideas do not matter if he scapegoats people for political gain. This puts me, my family, and my friends in danger. If he wants to make America great again, and his America doesn't include us, or the greatness is at our expense, then I really don't care to hear the plan. To me, these actions are the devious equivalent of what he ridicules Republican leaders of doing. Promising things that have no relation to the people. Worse, he will enact his plan by attacking us.
Dalroc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 08:17:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And do you have any examples of this "blatant racism"?
You know what? I refuse to waste my time attempting to explain what racism is and how Trump uses it to another person. If you can't see it by now, I doubt that you ever will because you are being willfully ignorant. No. This is frustrating because Trump supporters always come with the same question. "How is Trump racist?" despite demonstrable instances of racism.
Plus, this rhetorical retort, and I say rhetorical because it's not really a question Trump supporters generally want an answer to, glosses over the rest of my concerns, which include that he scapegoats people. I will not engage this insipid, derailing, non-argument any longer.
Dalroc ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 09:08:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know what racism is, I've seen it claimed repeatedly that Trump is a racist, but I have yet to see any proof. All I ever see is people like you shouting about it, without anything to back up your claims.
I DO WANT an answer, PLEASE give me some examples.
You won't see any examples because there are none.
But if you want to see Hilary's racism, just google all the shit she's said. People are too dumb to see that she is the evil one.
[deleted] ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 00:24:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. He's taken a huge bullet to his brand and his reputation for the chance to run the country. He'll do what he thinks needs to be done now - which hopefully turns out to be good. I don't think all his policies will be great, but I do think he has good intentions.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 05:03:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ivanka advertised on that interview so its debatable.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:28:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the whole bracelet email thing was a pretty bad move.
kippy3267 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:14:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think hes smart enough to pull it all off. Especially with a senate and house majority backing him
hicow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:52:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very interested in how the mid-terms go in 2018. Fairly or not, I'd imagine things will go poorly for the Republicans if the country isn't "fixed" by then.
Exactly. Shit, I'm a die hard liberal (I hate using that word because it's been poisoned recently) who voted for Trump because I'm happy to deal with 4 years of a right wing government if it means both parties get to take that time to look at themselves, realize how badly they've fucked up to get to this point, and rebuild. If I'm going to live in this country for the next 50-60 years of my life, I'd rather get the growing pains out of the way in my mid 20s.
I voted for delayed progress in the American political system, not for a candidate or a set of beliefs.
The thing is this might not be just a 4 year thing as we have supreme court justice appointments :/
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:27:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only empty seat is scalia, who was the most conservative anyway.
katbebe ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:34:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As of now, yes. Kennedy, Breyer, and Ginsburg are expected to retire very soon though.
N0ahface ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 01:38:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ginsburg hates him though, and even though she's in her 80s, I have no doubt that she will live through the next four years out of pure spite. She's pretty strong too, apparently she does 20 pushups every day.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:53:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have no plans to retire, and they're all healthy.
katbebe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:38:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ginsburg has a history of colon and pancreatic cancer, and she was hospitalized for a blocked artery two years ago. I figure she and Bryer will try to stick it out during Trump's presidency though, but all three are either nearing or past the average retirement age for a justice.
True but it seems that some landmark cases didn't get a "ruling" because of his death. They will lean conservative. i.e. Friedrichs v. CTA where unions will potentially lose out on fair share fees.
Focus on persuading conservatives to agree with you and you won't have to worry about conservative judges doing things that are "bad."
Luckily, Trump is probably going to kill off the anti-LGBT crowd in the republican party. I think there's a recognition among conservative Christians (at least among my community) that politics are a lost cause as far as advancing a Christian agenda. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, etc.
The big worries like making abortion or gay marriage illegal aren't going to go through.
Electoral college wise, he won a landslide. Since that's the goal of running a campaign...
If the goal was the popular vote, people would run entirely different campaigns.
hicow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:58:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you'd think "a mandate" would involve winning over (some might say well over) 50% of the popular vote. Yes, he beat ass with the electoral college because he played the game way more intelligently than Clinton...but just winning the college doesn't hand out a mandate.
BLjG ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:31:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you think that? The system doesn't care how many people voted for a candidate. That is virtually irrelevant.
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being given 'a mandate' is kind of an ephemeral concept anyway in an election. It'd be hard to argue Reagan didn't get a mandate in '84, when he crushed Mondale, beating him by 18%. No one was arguing Obama got a mandate in 2012 - he crushed the electoral college vote, but he only beat Romney by less than 4%. Given that Trump and Clinton are less than 1% apart, hard to argue that Trump has a mandate (especially given that turnout has been falling forever.)
On the other hand, it doesn't make a difference in how the president acts either way. If he had won 60%+, they'd talk about how he has a mandate. He didn't, so they'll talk about how how it doesn't matter that he doesn't. Either way, he'll work to enact whatever he wants.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 01:03:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
again, he won, absolutely no mandate, and he's clearly humiliated he lost the majority vote, which he should be.
Lost the popular vote? They were basically equal to a rounding error. It's really reaching to call the 0.2% margin Clinton had a "win".
hicow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:56:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Christ, he won the election, but lost the popular vote. Not the end of the world to admit he didn't win the popular vote.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:52:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a stone cold Hillary supporter but I also understand electoral systems. Hillary's popular vote victory is 100% meaningless. Voter turnouts, third party votes, and both candidates' campaigns would all have been completely different if it was a popular vote. The popular vote might be a fun statistic but it's utterly meaningless as an indicator of who would win an actual election based on popular vote.
Here is another video of one of trumps speeches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2s9AV910NY
One part that really got to me was the stuff he says at around the 4:45 mark. "I didn't need to do this folks believe me. I built a great company, and I had a wonderful life. I could have enjoyed the fruits and benefits of years of successful business deals and businesses Instead of going through this absolute horror show of lies, deceptions, and malicious attacks against me and my family. I'm doing this because this country has given me so much and I feel, so strongly, that its my turn to give back to my country." Really struck home with me about how hard it probably is to have to do deal with so much shit being thrown your way.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:19:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's refreshing to see people recognize that Trump can be a nice person, and that the media portrayal of him isn't the be all, end all.
I'm not going to say that what he is on television is what he is in real life, but it's not the media's portrayal of him - it's his own. He decided to go out and make himself out to be the guy you see on TV. The media has spun it, yes, but it doesn't change much just from looking at the raw footage.
I don't know, the article doesn't really say much. The gist is, "you seemed nice but now I fucking hate you". As for her experience at Viewpoint, my memory isn't great. Do I remember anyone getting made fun of for being on scholarship? No but that doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Viewpoint was a weird fucking school, dude. I went to school there from third grade through graduation and I thought I was growing up middle class. It wasn't until I got to college that I realized that tens of millions wasn't middle class. So, in fairness, I can imagine it being an incredibly intimidating environment for someone who didn't come from means.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:18:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know and I didn't know that she was undocumented or on scholarship until the article came out. Viewpoint was K-12 so people kind of came in at different times along the way. She came in during middle school which might give some insight into how she got a scholarship because for elite college preps in LA there's a test called the ISEE. It's basically an SAT type test used for middle school admissions. It might be a thing elsewhere but I remember taking it back in the day when I considered changing schools in LA (my dad got a different job so the drive to Viewpoint got a bit long). I imagine it was probably her ISEE score that got her into Viewpoint in the first place because the schools in LA are fiercely competitive at the High School level when it comes to National Merit Scholars and Ivy/Stanford admissions numbers. Knowing Viewpoint, and I know that cesspool, they'd have admitted a serial killer if they thought there was a chance they could become a Merit Scholar. Viewpoint is a toxic environment at times that only cares about winning, which ironically, is why the Sheen kids left.
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That is a nice story, but I'm honestly starting to get suspicious of this thread. It is definitely possible that Trump 'played a character' during the campaign, and he is actually a very different person.
But there was no media conspiracy to portray him a certain way. A person who read his twitter and only watched uncut video of him with no commentary would come to the conclusion that he was brash, ignorant, rude, immature, egotistical etc.
So- maybe the character he played worked and it got him elected, but I'm getting tired of seeing people act like it is the media's fault for making him look like an asshole during the campaign. His strategy was to be the biggest asshole on stage, and it worked.
She wasn't that different than anyone else at the school, in fact, she seemed pretty normal and down to earth. However, since I've left the Viewpoint echo chamber and realized that none of us had normal childhoods I often wonder if my impression of normal was a bit off. All I can say for certain is that she was popular but not a "mean girl".
Thank you for posting this. If I could go back I still wouldn't vote for the man in a heartbeat, but now that he's president I can at least hold on the the hope that he's at least a decent person.
Kyle700 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:38:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Media's portrayal? That's how he acted. He may have been nice off camera but it's not like the media somehow spun an untrue story...
If it helps there's also a story out there about how went to his son's college dorm and punched him when he heard about said son attending a baseball game wearing a baseball jersey instead of a suit.
That's the nicest story I've read in this thread but the media can't portray you to be a brash, egotiscal idiot if you don't say and do brash, egotistical things. They're obviously multiple sides to his personality and that's one of them.
maanu123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but the media can't portray you to be a brash, egotiscal idiot if you don't say and do brash, egotistical things.
Yeah after last year I wouldn't say that's true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so the media shouldn't be quoting him, that's too biased for you?
maanu123 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:13:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the usage of out of context quotes creates this general lack of knowledge. Trump didn't call "all mexicans rapists", he said that some of the ones who cross the border illegally are rapists and criminals.
JshWright ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:54:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
hard to square our experiences with him up with the media's portrayal of him as a brash, egotistical idiot.
Yeah... that crooked media... playing actual clips of Donald Trump saying things he actually said...
inhuman44 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 00:22:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He took his family out for dinner with out telling the press. They accused him of not being transparent. It's like something from The Onion.
alamohero ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:39:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes him seem humble and more like an ordinary concerned citizen than a politician, which, I guess, is the way government was supposed to be
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what does that have to do with playing actual clips of things Donald Trump actually said? It's a story because over 300 million people have the right to know where 1 of the three branches of government are. Sorry, but if he did not want the responsibility of being a branch of government he shouldn't have run.
Goose31 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:15:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just reeks of self-importance of the press.
One reporter said "we need to know where he is!" The Secret Service knows. The man just wanted to grab a bite before he's president. And yet they claim it's threatening the fabric of the republic that he got a steak without telling them.
Taylor814 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:05:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the other day, the headlines read "Trump plans to deport 2-to-3 million immigrants immediately," completely leaving out that he was talking about illegal immigrant criminals.
Same goes for the headlines out there today: "Trump preparing to implement Muslim registry." Completely leaving out the fact that this proposal is to add a column to the pre-existing registry of IMMIGRANTS who are here in the US for them to add their religious affiliation, if any.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no one left out that part, but they did point out that there is zero evidence that 2-3 million criminal immigrants even exist.
LazyDad ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:33:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well technically speaking, they're all criminals aren't they?
How so? Would you like quotes on some of his stated positions prior to 2012? Lets say 2008 then. Would you like his quotes before that? His stated policy positions? Have you read them?
curias00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:59:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He considered a 3rd party run back in 2000. Also, it sure seems like you're implying that only Dems can be nice people. Turn your TV on to the Soros funded "protests". Unless I misunderstood. Did I?
Despite living in a pretty solid liberal area most people from that school admit that's it kind of hard to square our experiences with him up with the media's portrayal of him as a brash, egotistical idiot.
B0ssc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the media's portrayal of him as a brash, egotistical idiot
With just a little help from himself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
media's portrayal of him as a brash, egotistical idiot.
That's a bit of a stretch. It's not the media's portrayal of him, but his public portrayal of himself.
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"Media's portrayal"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't blame him. If I were rich and famous, I would enter late and quietly leave too.
[deleted] ยท 1115 points ยท Posted at 21:55:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad knew Trump back in the day. They were business friends. He only has praise for the Donald, had so much respect for him.
They went to an Army/Navy game in the 90s and he was walking with the Donald, and a bunch of people ran over to Don asking for his autograph on their footballs. Well, the Donald told them that if they wanted his autograph, they needed my Dads autograph as well.
so somehwere out there are a bunch of footballs with the donalds signature next to papas...
That is pretty endearing. I don't know what to believe anymore.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's so cool
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This is incredibly nice.
maestro89 ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 23:53:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I worked for the man who owned 4 of NYC's largest nightclubs in the 90's. Trump would drop in all the time all around NYC in that time period. Always well dressed, always polite never loud and out of control. He would be perched somewhere and just scoping out the crowd (Models). We noticed each other because he and I were the only people wearing suit and tie.
Spirit cooking was found in the podesta emails. Marina Abramovic who is also friends with Lady gaga and had outtings together had invited John podesta to one of their dinners for spirit cooking. Marina is a very provacative artist (wayyy more than Lady Gaga, but both seem to participate in it), but also did an AMA on here on reddit saying that in private it's not art. That ended up opening up the rabbit's hole into a some deep dark territories to what we all once thought of as conspiracy theories, may not be theories much any more (such as worship of Moloch, the Illuminati, other.. dark things etc)
odaeyss ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 01:16:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marina Abramovic is a fucking loon and what she calls art is just fucking bad and, worse, boring.
Clantron ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 01:37:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In art school I had to take a performance art class and I got so sick of watching her work. Like yeah, I see the meaning and I may be interested in it initially, but this shit gets old real quick. I wouldn't call her a loon, just seems like most other people who call themselves a performance artist
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:46 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
she is a disgusting piece of trash abandoned by her mother's love and she tries to find meaning by doing all these stupid, pointless performance art pieces to feel human. her nose pisses me off, too.
Spirit Cooking is a cult ritual involving spreading blood, semen, breast milk, etc. There are different "recipes" for different things. It appears to be very much like black magic. There is a video on youtube of Marina "performing" this spirit cooking "art". She throws blood onto the walls and a child doll. Then with blood paints on the walls about cutting yourself and eating the pain, etc.
Google it. It's a cult practice involving the ingestion of a mixture of menstral blood, semen, urine, and breast milk. Also perhaps connections to pedophilia, as well as other forms of cannibalism.
The internet has connected a bunch of dots through podestas emails, known associates, donation records, news stories, etc...
Visit /r/pizzagate if you really want to go down a scary rabbit hole.
odaeyss ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 01:18:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh neat a subreddit dedicated to delicious food! or, maybe, it's political, and about that time The Don was seen eating a slice of pizza with a knife and fork!" click
... nonononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono
The rabbit hole was a bit too scary for Reddit Admins.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:12 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was banned where is the screenshot of it?
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you're my hero
Groshub ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:38:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me am I actually seeing this upvoted on a default?
Ysmildr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:50:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hit r/all several times in the past couple weeks.
Znees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
spirit cooking
Is there a sub or a link that condenses all this crazy into a cheat sheet for me? I am curious but, don't care enough to have 30 tabs open for no reason.
Wikileaks revealed Lady Gaga, along with many other Hollywood celebs and politicians (John Podesta and his brother, possibly Hillary Clinton) attend these things called Spirit Cookings which involves a lot of Satanic ritual type stuff. These rituals or whatever involve blood, breast milk and semen. They are hosted buy some lady that is involved with Hillary and other campaign members. There's pictures and wiki leaks emails for proof. Really weird shit, kinda like Scientology but Satanic
Wikileaks uncovered an email from artist Marina Abramovic to Podesta's brother (Tony) asking if he would be attending a planned supper she was hosting. She called it "Spirit Cooking" because that was name of her art project and the supper was for people who had donated to her kickstarter. Tony forwarded this email to his brother John, and John never Replied. Clinton was not involved in the discussion in any way.
So you're taking the fact that an artist sent an unanswered email to John Podesta's brother one time and turning it into "John Podesta and possibly Hillary Clinton [commonly] attend events that involve satanic rituals".
scu81321 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 04:44:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are pictures of Lady Gaga eating off of a person with fake blood.
I did not look too deeply into it all, I just know that possibly Podesta and Lady Gaga, who campaigned for her and played shows at rallies, attends these things. There's pictures of Lady Gaga and Jay Z with Marina Abramovic, both campaigned for Hillary.
It's rough because, as usual, the truth probably lies somewhere in between insane and boring. But you have to sift through it all.
Atraidis ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Unlikely that Podesta and Clinton are full blown satanists, but I could see them going along with some freaky shit just to rub shoulders. Or who knows, maybe they actually are. Have read some shit about pagan temples on the Epstein pedo island that Hillary supposedly also went to with Bill, but haven't looked into that one yet.
It's so messed up. Did you see the video posted from outside comet? Where you can hear a child crying for help. That was from 7 years ago! This whole thing is unsettling. Cross that with the same people who are linked to spirit cooking and satanic rituals. Who also have ties to know pedos/child traffickers. It's just so much.
Snopes is untrustworthy. They're up there with politifact. It's r/politics tier shilling. Go to r/pizzagate to learn about this. They are actively uncovering a pedophile ring in Washington DC right now.
This is way past strange beliefs. There is money trails between this "Artist" and Clinton. This "artist" had said it's art when it's in public. It's different when performed privately. Her art includes seman, blood and breast milk. Also carving pentagrams into her stomach. Hers a link to her performing her "art" https://youtu.be/g9ys-Lfu4Sc
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks emails, plus the "author" is very popular amongst celebrities, and her "work" is no secret. She even said herself (marina abramovic) in a reddit ama no less, that if the rituals are done in private, they are spiritual and not art.
Hi_mom1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks emails
I only found one email -- it was an invitation to Podesta.
agonist5 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Welp, better get going, people to see, speeches to steal, pussies to grab. Let's go"
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jdog1408 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you get areas where local governments create "safe-spots"(Which is 100% illegal) and just decide, hey let's not enforce this law. Instead of trying to get a more reasonable solution, or actually bringing you concerns to higher authority.
It's happening in Minnesota too where the Minneapolis Police Chief has told her officers to not enforce these laws.
Dyeredit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently the safe spots are located near the polling stations and it was possible that illegals were being allowed to vote during this election.
jdog1408 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting...
Dyeredit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pennsylvania and Wyoming apparently had ~100% voter turnout. Pen in particular flipped blue and red at least 5 times... at 99% turnout. I was watching it live through google, fox and guardian.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:28:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People being called racist and a whole host of other -isms for holding this completely reasonable belief is one of the reasons many people gave a big FU to the democrats.
roeravid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's that detached?! I don't understand. What is happening
What are you talking about? He's not against immigrants. His plan has been to deport criminal illegal immigrants from the very start. Also, he wants to stop immigration from terrorist producing countries (much like obama did with Iraq, carter with Iran...) and then do vetting of each person who wants to come here.
He has said he wants immigration at historical levels.
If you've heard different it's been from a very slanted media who is now saying he's "flip flopped" when in actuality it's been the media who has been misleading the whole time.
edit - criminal illegal immigrants means illegal immigrants who commit additional crimes. Not all who are here now and not causing problems.
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Fun Fact: Trump's Mother and My Great Grandmother are both from the same island off the coast of Scotland. Wikipedia says that the current population of the island is only 18,000 people so there is a chance that i may be a distant relative of Trump.
edit: apparently the village Trump's mother came from and the village my Grandmother came from are only 4 miles apart. Wow, I might actually be related to him.
It's spelt MacLeod. The "Mc" means "son of" so it's "Son of Leod", Leod being a old Norse name reflecting the Vikings in the Western Isles. It just sounds like McLoud.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP's father stopped in a Trump building and a Scottish lady heard his Scottish accent and invited him to sit next to her for a chat. She was waiting for her son in the lobby who was always late. A little while later, Trump comes out of the elevator and the Scottish lady introduces her son Trump to OP's father. Trump shakes his hand and says, "Nice to meet you." And takes his mother out to wherever they were going.
I slaughtered to story I am sure, but I am pretty sure that was the gist of it.
Regardless of OPs story, I doubt that most of these stories are made up. I haven't heard of someone with a negative personal experience with Donald Trump, even on mainstream news. However, I've heard lots of things about Clinton being a vile woman. According to a reporter on twitter, a secret service source told him that a few nights after her loss, she got drunk and started screaming at Podesta and Abedin I believe, and had to be restrained because she was getting violent...
Again, not sure what's true anymore but these stories are pretty damn specific.
Little late to the party but I have a friend who used to bartend in Chappaqua, NY where the Clintons live.
She used to tell me about how the secret service guys would get (really) drunk occasionally and talk wrecklessly about Clintons.
Recurring stories include Hillary's vicious temper, poor treatment of staff and secret service and of course, the infamous lesbianism. They went so far as to say that they used to "run girls" for both Clintons and their marriage was a complete sham, a political arrangement. Also apparently Bill is pretty chill and easygoing but I don't think that's as much as a rumor.
Why be skeptical that he has a trump branded water bottle? anyone who stays at a trump hotel can get an unlimited supply of that, they're not exactly a collectors item.
I've been trying to tell people for years that Trump used to have Trump brand water and nobody believes me. They used to have these huge displays at the gas station
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Rustled?
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surbian ยท 1033 points ยท Posted at 01:24:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to high school in NY( Brooklyn Tech) and I had a job as a busboy at 4 seasons. Trump was going there quite a bit and actually said hi to me whenever he saw me. The Part that impressed me was that he remembered my name. He remembered the name of a busboy he saw maybe twice a month. I think he is alot smarter than people think.
spsprd ยท 343 points ยท Posted at 11:06:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a salesperson skill. My spouse had the opportunity to mountain bike with former president Bush and the friend who hooked him up with the ride told my spouse, If he runs into you ten years from now he will call you by name and ask how your welding business is doing. I don't doubt it.
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Of course you can have high raw intelligence and memory capabilities and still make poor decisions. Portrayals and the subsequent perceptions people develop tend to be highly inaccurate.
TedyCruz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a salesperson, its much much easier to remember if you actually care about the person, otherwise even the best salesperson forgets. It could be because they are a big buyer, or because you like them.
And high energy as fuck. I'm sorry, but the guy's 70, and was going to rally, to rally, to rally, to rally, to rally in just a single fucking day. I'm just blown away by that.
And then he got home at 3:30 am and shit posted on Twitter. People that don't like Trump are really missing out. He is the first president I have ever gotten excited about it. He makes me want to be a better person.
Right, I think a lot of the lash back that's happening is mostly because of the constant smear campaign that was going on during the elections. It made him look like this inhuman, evil guy.
I honestly agree. I mean, I'll vote him with the same skepticism I view all presidents, and he's obviously gonna lean right, but some of his antics are just... too fucking much. He's aced some of the aspects of modern politicking that career politicos have missed.
I can watch a face, and say 'Hey, we met there about 6 years ago doing this, and it was raining' but new people really even have to tell me their name multiple times before I even remember. And if I don't see them in a time, that name is gone again.
I don't think remembering someone's name is a huge signifier of intelligence.
surbian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:22 on February 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It impressed me. Like I said, the guy only saw me a couple of times a month. It's not like I was a banker; I was clearing dishes and getting people water. I will admit I don't usually remember a busboys name and I was one. He took enough interest to do it.
EvilCam ยท 5267 points ยท Posted at 21:24:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of years ago I went to a conference in Las Vegas. My company put me up at Trump Hotel. Because my company is cheap and the hotel is technically off the strip I was sure the hotel would be second rate. I was impressed with the rooms and lobby, the quality of drinks and the free entertainment in the lounge.
As I was passing near the elevators I saw a few tall men standing around in suits warily eyeing passersby. I stopped to survey the situation and suddenly realized Donald Trump was right next to me. I said to him with sincerity: "Beautiful hotel you have here, Mr. Trump."
He responded by taking a step closer and extending his hand. I shook it and he looked me in the face and said: "Thank you. That's why we built it. We want people to come to Las Vegas, have a nice time, and stay in a nice hotel." He gave me a smile and turned to take pictures and chat with the growing crowd.
I've stayed in that hotel on one of those last minute roll-the-dice grab bag website deals. Had no idea what I'd be getting into. It was the biggest and nicest hotel room I've probably ever stayed in. It was a surreal experience for this cheapskate. Seriously, one bathroom was probably 400 square feet by itself. That's right, I said "one" bathroom. My living room had a full bath as well.
Pavotine ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 07:21:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stayed there just 2 years ago. Same experience. My wife books everything so I can't complain but I wondered why she picked The Trump. Even the name made me chuckle. Got there all the way from the UK and it turned out to be the best hotel ''room'' I stayed in. It was better than most apartments I've stayed in.
No complaints. Didn't meet The Donald though. Oh and one of the bartenders guessed my accent correctly even though I'm from a small island with our own distinct accent. Got the correct place first guess. That has never happened before even though about 70 per cent of Americans I met made a guess at exactly where I'm from. That was cool. The guy had met 2 people from here a few years ago and knew our accent. Cool!
chedeng ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 07:48:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isle of Man?
rayEW ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 23:18:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A very distinct accent if ever there was one, perhaps only rivaled by the clanking sound of testicles that residents of the northwest 200 area use to communicate as they ride their r1s in a similar manner.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:53:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Island of misfit toys?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:14:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did the same. I had a 1600 square foot suite in Toronto. The bathrooms were as big as a normal hotel room. They had every detail covered and even the door people addressed me by my last name after only coming in once. I was so impressed with the level of service. And yes, I stole the slippers and wear them around the house all the time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:08 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are so many people on this thread able to afford this?
ed_merckx ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:51:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really is a nice building, and pretty well kept up. Used more for confrence/business travelrs I think. Biggest reason it doesn't get much attention is the lack of a casino, which they did on purpose.
I have a couple of clients who always stay there on their vegas trips, I've stayed there once and had a corner suite, the room was great. Only like $200 a night if i recall in a pretty busy time also. Was a last minute trip and everything else was booked up or really expesnive on the strip where I usually stay (wynn/cosmopolitan/aria). The hotel has, by far the best view of the strip though, yeah It's off las vegas BLVD. but if you drew a stright line starting south by luxor and all that you'd run right into trump tower. It's across from the wynn where the road starts to curve off.
My room had a sink and microwave in it, again leading me to think longer term people in town for business stay there more. The food and pool is pretty nice too, more laid back and less crazy.
Mind if I asked roughly how much you ended up paying for per night?
I've stayed in Las Vegas quite a bit and the Trump tower is pretty far off the strip but I can imagine having a fantastic view of the strip if you're in the right room
gqgk ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:55:30 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since nobody answered you, a few other people said between $150-200/night.
The room I was in was probably 1200 Sq ft and I think it was about 150/night. So, not roadside motel cheap, but by value, the best deal by far I could have gotten in the strip probably.
asoneva ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:24:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly he wanted the Trump Las Vegas to have a Casino, too, but Nevada wouldn't issue him a gaming license after his ventures in Atlantic City.
EDIT: I was mistaken about this. Trump does hold a Nevada gaming license, but for some reason chose not to open a Casino at the Trump International in Las Vegas.
I stayed at the Trump once and honestly that was one of the main reasons I loved it (plus the lobby and the room was great!). I hate the smokey lobby areas so when I checked in, I was so happy to see there was no gambling downstairs!
Conjwa ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 23:55:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, Steve Wynn's pockets.
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 00:20:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Screw that guy. When I was at Las Vegas as a kid, the Wynn had this dark, dark feel to it. Really sketched me out. The more I learn about the guy the more it makes sense.
MiaYYZ ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:52:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wynn opened like ten years ago
[deleted] ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 00:58:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm only 20.
AlexGrass ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 03:03:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why, but this exchange between you two was hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:08:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, I'm amazed that I somehow have 54 upvotes. Unexpectedly funny to many people I guess.
But steve wynn has been around a long time. He's been in vegas longer than his namesake.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:56:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Golden Nugget maybe?
mbeezier ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:56:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Wow, that's pretty ballsy to open up a hotel in Vegas and not do gaming.
yeahbuddy ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 03:03:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. I stayed at the Trump Hotel in Vegas several times and it's wonderful. Nothing like escaping a noisy casino and entering a wonderful building that's completely clean, smoke-free and quiet.
mbeezier ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:39:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant having a business while not taking advantage of the revenue. There's slots in the airports and 7-Elevens!
homeworld ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 00:46:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now Trump Taj Mahal closed down last month. It's sad because last time I was there I was talking to some of the employees (on their name tags it said how many years they had been employed there). One guy who checks room keys by the elevator had a 30 year tag also had a special pin that he said Donald Trump, Jr. gave it to him. It's sad what ended up happening to all of those employees worked there their entire lives.
Someone with 30 years experience could walk right into another 5 star hotel and land a job. Plus they now have a cool experience, not everyone can say they have a pin given to them by Donald Trump Jr.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:25:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't exactly a surplus of hotels to walk into and get hired at in Atlantic City these days.
The rumor is Icahn is going to reopen the Taj next year as a non-union casino. Son maybe the guy can get his job back, but at 1/2 the pay and no benefits.
I went to Vegas as a journalist to write about it and the big thing there is the move away from casinos. One newer hotel on the strip - I forget it's name - is lovely but chose not to have a casino and put in some fancy shops and restaurants instead.
Vegas is moving away from gaming and more towards general entertainment. It actually makes more from that now than gambling.
Perhaps Trump was being smart and differentiating his hotel from the others or just following the new trend.
swim831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to book a room there in the future, but won't since there is no casino. It's nice to go straight up to your room after being in the casino all night
Axelnite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:35:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But never mind, I was apparently mislead about Trump not having a gaming license in Nevada. He does.
mousylion ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 23:39:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a great salesman, honestly. I don't like his policies, but he's knows how to charm people.
[deleted] ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 01:10:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
which is why i doubt he's gonna start world war 3 like some people think
brent1123 ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 01:16:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also found that confusing - even some Democrats I know were discussing how Hillary could get into it with Russia (no-fky zone, Putin and her have not gotten along much iirc), but now there are articles everywhere about how Trump will start a war, which I don't get. War can be profitable but nothing I've seen from his policies (save for wanting to reduce overseas military bases, thereby possibly causing a war through a power vacuum) or speeches indicates to me that he is interested in starting shit with another country
morvis343 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 01:25:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much that they believe he wants to start a war, they just think he will be as inflammatory and rude as he was on the campaign trail and that'll piss other world leaders off.
brent1123 ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 01:34:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that logic, but campaign Donald =/= businessman Donald. The guy didn't become this successful by being inept at business (yes, I get that he inherited money and some of his ventures failed, but that is how business works), and a lot of business tactics cross into politics. Posturing, negotiation, various psychological tactics, etc. This certainly doesn't mean he will be perfect or good at it, but being brash is something I doubt will cross into making trade deals
He's certainly bested a lot of expectations. Underestimating the guy is for the birds at this point, at least for me.
fikme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:06:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He only inherited a small amount , if it's true he only got a million dollars , realistically , millions of people inherited a million or more and did not end up billionaires ..
fikme ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:28:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And still turned that to 3 billion as a minimum figure which is reported by Forbes , doing business, employing people ... sometimes it's easy for us to make things sound easy but it's hard .. lots of people inherited that kind of money and just used it for living expenses
I'm not disagreeing with that. Though there are many people who say he should have much more starting from what he did. I took exception with the oft-repeated lie that he 'only' received a million dollars.
Part of the thinking behind this is not so much that Trump will himself start the war, but through his indications that he will not defend NATO countries and overall unwillingness to criticise Putin, it is more that he will open the door to Russian invasions of more of her neighbours.
Shamic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he probably won't start it, but he might just one of the many things to tip the world over the edge. He alone won't do it, there are other factors (which I can't name until they happen) at play.
Jagjamin ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:36:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got shit for asking if people were seriously afraid he would start a war over Twitter. Such a stupid thing to think. I blame the media for making people think this is a real possibility.
This is my favorite one. He is proud of what he's built and he wants people to enjoy it
Born_Ruff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Comments like these seem to indicate just how low the bar is set for Trump.
I mean, for most normal people, it really wouldn't be notable that they were able to be friendly when someone compliments them, especially if that person is a customer in their business.
I was talking to a woman (now in public relations) who used to work for him on his real estate business. We were walking through Manhattan talking and I asked if she was worried that Trump might get the Republican nomination.
She said he was one of the best bosses she's ever had. Totally let her get on with the job, gave her the tools and support to do so and when she went on extended maternity leave he held the job open for her and say her right.
Really doesn't square with the things he said and did in his election campaign and the things we've learned he's done in his past. But it seems he can be decent at times.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he sounds every bit as awful as CNN makes him out to be..
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:11:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pro tip: you can book this hotel through hot wire by filtering for North strip 5 stars. It's the only 5 star Resort on the strip without a casino. Every room is a suite with a kitchen. Can usually get it for around $100 a night. I only stay here now.
It's not really that far off the strip considering how far you end up walking in some of the major casinos to get to your room. They also do free shuttles to Caesars and Wynn. Oh and it doesn't smell like smoke.
I know this is an old thread but just adding my two cents. I've stayed there twice, and both rooms have been of phenomenal quality. They had a full jacuzzi tub, glass walled walk-in shower, TV in the bathroom mirror, and one of the largest square footage and nicely appointed rooms I've been in. As much as I dislike Donald the POTUS, Donald the hotelier knows how to plan a hotel.
You should. Of course he isnt a saint but don't believe anything the media says without doing your own research. And when I say media I mean both fox and cnn. A good example of this is how the media is freaking out about how trump said he might not repeal obamacare, when in reality he wants to keep just two aspects of it.
kotosumo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't own the buildings or build them. He just licenses his name.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I saw an interview where he very explicitly stated that he doesn't shake hands.
Now I'm here thinking if I dreamt an interview with Trump talking about hygiene...
Rsubs33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling bullshit. Trump hates shaking people's hands and doesn't do it unless he absolute has to. Here quote about it from his book "One of the curses of American society is the simple act of shaking hands, and the more successful and famous one becomes the worse this terrible custom seems to get. I happen to be a clean hands freak. I feel much better after I thoroughly wash my hands, which I do as much as possible.โ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:18 on December 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Las Vegas and his hotel blows compared to the high end ones. Glad you enjoyed your stay though.
teddette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:14 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was the handshake as crazy as we see today?
EvilCam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:17 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He built a golf course in a rich neighboring town a few years ago, and around the time it opened my grandparents and I were on a walk there (it was built on a sea cliff, popular hiking spot before it was built, still is though) and Trump was riding by on a golf cart. He high-fived my grandma. No words were exchanged.
He high-fived my grandma. No words were exchanged.
This is amazing.
G8kpr ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 23:25:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just picture some sort of "Naked Gun" type joke where he high fives this old lady, and she stumbles back, over a railing down over the cliff and essentially cliff diving backwards, winning a local tournament no one knew was going on.
kirrin ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:02:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You always hear people say that George W. or Bill Clinton would be fun guys to hang out with (disregarding your political leanings). Things like this make me feel like Trump might actually be the same way, despite the media persona he cultivates.
[deleted] ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 23:43:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more that most people, when you take the time to know them even just a little, are really decent folks.
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 23:53:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. We only see a tiny part of these people, even the most famous. I see this with people online too - often I comment on Reddit, and someone replies to disagree. Naturally, I think they're a twat, because they've totally ignored what I meant to be pedantic, or they're misinformed. Buuuut, if I reply in a reasoned manner, and we go back and forth for a few dozen comments, usually it turns out that we both agree on things for the most part, and both our opinions are understood and respected by each other.
But it's a lot easier to call someone a fucktard based on one thing they said and leave.
You could sort of see it with Bush in that he stopped playing golf after the media quickly pointed out he'd sometimes golf while troops he sent overseas were fighting for their lives. Obama golfed all the time and nobody ever complained about it, which never seemed right.
Exactly, and you take someone like GW Bush - I mean take everything you absolutely can't stand about the guy politically.... remember all the jokes made at his expense.... remember it all..... and tell me you don't think he's very likely a wonderful person that you could just hang out and bullshit with.
Harold and Kumar 2 (and weed) changed my opinion of GW.
Heroshade ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:27:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Bill and George would be the "have a few drinks and shoot some pool" kinda guys, while Trump would be the "Hey, let's fill this rooftop pool with hundred year old scotch, drink as much as we can, then BASE jump down to my limo. You know, pregame stuff."
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:24:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
We have the greatest rooftop pools here
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's this massive specimen of a female that goes to my gym and she doesn't shave anything or conform to many perceived social standards that I can see. Anyways, every time she enters the gym, she has this super energetic strut and she just starts high fiving anyone who has a free hand. All big smiles, 'hey how are yas', compliments, etc. then she goes and smashes weights like a champ for a couple hours and bounces, never losing the smile. She leaves a wake of smiles and laughter wherever shoe goes.
I know quite a few people who have worked there and have had nothing but positive things to say about President Trump.
I'll share one story that isn't too personal or revealing: A friend and former employee witnessed two young interviewees speaking with the Don about their recent college graduations. After hearing about their student loans Mr. Trump walked them to HR personally and had them hired on the spot.
The other stories I have heard are a little personal for me to share, but each describe a caring and extremely generous man. Nothing like what you hear from the media who loved him until he went against them.
Seems like many of you have had the same experience. Makes you think..
I'm sure he has plenty of great moments, and I'm also sure he has plenty of bad ones too. I'm not going to pretend to understand the way the media works or take everything it says as truth, but honestly I'm not a supporter of him. If the EPA and renewable energy doesn't come to a grinding halt or even start reversing during his term, then I'll consider him an okay president. But I have no clue what to reasonably expect right now, so I'm nervous.
poldicer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:33 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
global warming from CO2 emissions is a hoax...deal with it
Jagable ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:08:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marineland! Really bummed it washed away before my time. I love the Cabrillo and Long Beach aquariums, even went to school to study marine biology. Would've been awesome to get to grow up with it there.
careslol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If by washed away, you mean the new owners secretly moving the whales to San Diego and pouring concrete over Marinelane so it would be unusable again...then yes washed away.
...I just heard it went the route of Sunken City/Paseo Del Mar, which wouldn't have surprised me. Never actually looked into it though, so what do I know.
You guys still have 40 somethings acting like hardcore surfers protecting the beach from the riff raff? I've never laughed harder in my life than a guy trying to chase me up the cliff paths because I wasn't "local". I was visiting my uncle who lives in the area ya fucking boob.
Personally I've never gotten that level of aggression, but it's true that rich oceanside neighborhoods try to keep "their" beaches as private as possible. Some spots have very few parking lots, the ones that are there usually have a tow-away warning if you're not parked for the specific business its adjacent to, no neighborhood street parking, they're all gated off or require a permit. Idea's basically that no one who doesn't live there can get easy access.
They take that shit seriously in San Pedro. There's a place in Pedro called Royal Palms, and my surfer friends in high school are always saying "locals only", and they mean it. Kids from Palos Verdes High even made a diss track on the kids in San Pedro and Royal Palms last week. A funny line was "Fuck with PV kids to relive real gang shit... I know more thugs than you". Keep in mind this is the second wealthiest city in Los Angeles, and their parents probably make well over 200,000 a year.
dabrito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, same here...unless someone were to mention territorial surfers.
mordea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Palos Verdes Peninsula as a whole gets referenced often enough. Much more so than Lomita, which is usually about murders such as when the chef cooked his wife.
You know, I don't think he would be my first choice to be a president but I always say that there is good and bad in everyone and nobody can be all bad.
I think he is generally kind to kids and one time I remember Ben Carson was too shy to go out on stage and Trump encouraged him to go out.
A lot of the top comments I've seen portray him as a decent guy. I'm sure there are others that would say otherwise, same goes for all people. His everyday personality shouldn't be taken as a measure of his leadership abilities, which personally I'm skeptical of...but we'll see. There have been some pleasant surprises since the election, but as a hippy-dippy nature lover, I have to say I'm worried about the whole climate change attitude him and some of his transition team have, among other things.
True. I personally don't think anyone who denies science accepted by the vast majority should be president.
But I still say nobody can be all bad.
poldicer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:13:43 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
too bad...global warming is a hoax. where's that consensus of scientists that are actual meterologists and climate scientists...not engineers and archaeologists?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:22 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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poldicer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:47 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's a hoax. i can't prove a negative. YOU have to prove it's happening and it isn't...i'm still listening, snowflake. so fucking glad president trump will withdraw us from 'muh global warming' agreements and say fuck you to all of you hoaxists
This is me saying what is the fucking reason why anyone would "put this hoax" up.
There isn't anything concrete you can give me because in your tiny feeble mind you want to pretend everything is fine. All cupcakes and rainbows because you are a in denial about the truth. You can't hide from the facts that most scientist acknowledge that climate change is real.
We have proof and you have a bunch off BS. Do you even know why there is this "global warming isn't real" thing is out there? Simple, the answer is greed. We didn't used to have unleaded petrol. We do now because science showed that lead in the air was getting worse and oil companies hated it was getting negative flak. They didn't care about health of the people and all they wanted was their bottom line.
The same thing is happening now and this time the oil companies are fighting harder than ever. And it worked! They got some gullible people like you to believe their nonsense. So open your eyes, buddy! Don't be fooled by them! Trust in science.
There is a reason why the hottest year ever is always the current year.
Face the facts and step out of that LALA land in your head.
I'm done with you! You can reply but I doubt you will have anything of value to say in return besides self-gratifying comments like calling me "snowflake" just because you can't form an argument.
Enjoy your meme president.
poldicer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck off with your global warming, al gore-spouting bullshit. you know 'an inconvenient truth' can't be shown in UK schools because it's deemed 'lying propaganda' by the UK govt? LMAO at you global warming hoaxists...you guys are as delusional as the apollo moon landing hoaxists
The best you got is a Wikipedia entry for a "controversy".
We can easily find better sources for our proof from actual scientist and even NASA.
You are a tin foil hat idiot. No better than a flat earth idiot.
Please end your life or at least neuter yourself. We can't have your weak minded offspring spread.
poldicer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:52 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you are a tinfoil hat person, yourself...and you didn't talk about the fact that in the UK it's illegal to show 'an inconvenient truth' in british schools unless the teacher uses the movie to show the usage of lying propaganda.
You idiot. Oh course there will be people against an idea. There are idiots who believe the world is flat and evolution isn't real.
But the general consensus is that climate change is real. Until you wake up from your fantasy world we can never work to make the world a better place.
Trust in the scientific method.
poldicer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:58 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
where's your consensus? i don't even see you parading around a list of NASA people. your 'consensus' is a huge lie and includes scientists who are not experts in global warming (most of them are not meterologists or climate-related scientists).
i love how you went 'REEEEE' when you got BTFO by me showing you an actual list of many NASA people shitting on global warming and all you do is go 'REEEEE'. i love it!
PRO-NUCLEAR AND PRO-AMERICAN OIL/COAL!!! GO TRUMP! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
The reason why I don't show you how many more scientist there are who agree that climate change is real over those who do is that it is akin to showing you that the sky is blue.
I don't have to. You just need to open your eyes.
And saying "Make America great again!" means one thing... America sucks now and you are all pieces of shits. Now you turned to a man who has no idea what he is getting into just because he catered to the uneducated and gullible masses like you.
Two things. 1) I was only half paying attention while reading this and for whatever reason thought he was riding by on a horse which made it about a million times better
And 2) while I'm willing to believe you because I want so much for this to be true, a drive by five seems to go against the idea of him being a germaphobe.
Eh, a few people have pointed that out. To be fair, it actually happened a lot longer ago than I remember. I saw both their hands reached out but it could've been there wasn't contact. From my angle, looked like the high-five equivalent of when old ladies shake hands with their just their fingers. Doesn't matter much to me, it's just funny thinking about that moment in hindsight.
Palos Verdes. 18th hole feel off cliff a few times. Before he purchased the land and started building, we used to go hike around there growing up. Was cool as hell.
Had a few friends work for him. Heard first hand he was sexist and fat shamed. But the person he did this to still voted for him.
My "sister" was the one that was going to sue him because she was fired for being over weight. She was a manager. The media did a full on blitz on her because she never went through with it and it was sealed. It sucked because it brought up a bunch of bad memories. Media would not let up on her. So glad this is over and she can continue to live life without the reminder of that part of her life.
I live right on that course! The hiking paths are very much still in use! The house he stayed in when the course was being built is a few hundred yards away from our deck... Interesting neighbors! Now there's a Chinese family who owns some shipping company living there, personal security vehicles always park by their driveway and I mistake them for real cops/a speedtap 3/5 times I drive by
Huh, never knew he actually lived there for a period of time. I haven't been on those trails since I graduated high school, but I'd like to see the place again. Has the attitude towards the place changed at all since the campaign/election? I don't like the idea of him being president, but I don't want his property vandalized either.
Life as usual in PV, although some people have made some very incorrect assumptions about our political alignments... Worth it for the view http://imgur.com/17rLpIs
Nois3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've live in the almost to PV side of Pedro. I miss Marineland. I blame you and your houses :)
codcuber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump national is a great place to hike. Its like the promised land
Hexodus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Palos Verdes?
MEuRaH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best story right here.
icarus14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably plowed her when he started scoping the spot for the golf course a million years ago and just acknowledged the sensuous one night stand with a high five.
My friend worked at the course for years. I've been dying to ask what she thinks of at all this (we're not really in touch lately), but I'm afraid of what she'll say.
I showed my 1970 Subaru 360 van at the Palos Verdes concours. I thought it was funny they served "Trump Ice" bottled water, with his face on the label. I probably should have saved a few bottles.
I was thinking it was PV but that was more than a "few" years ago. It was more than 10 years ago. And I remember there was a big to do about the US flag they wanted to fly because it was so huge but local ordinances said it couldn't be that large and people made it into a patriotic thing. lame. But hiking around there is cool.
jvili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The area was a golf course before Donald acquired it.
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espnzone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did this thread say?
iSpazem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:05:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The censorship is very scary
thomase7 ยท 5918 points ยท Posted at 18:32:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him speak at an ICSC NYC convention, the only thing I remember is there was a q&a part, some 20something girl asks if his hair was real, and he says it was and then asks the girl to come on stage and feel it. So Trump had a younger women rubbing his head in front of ~200 real estate professionals.
Could you imagine having so much money that you can afford to plant a girl at every conference you attend for the sole purpose of saying your hair was real?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump seems like the kind of guy who would do that XD
For some reason I want to believe she was a plant. Even though I'm sure she was genuine, I want to believe he would plant a question like that just to stroke his ego/scalp and show everyone his hair was real.
Except it looks gross and like he spends too much time and too much hair spray trying to achieve a mirage. I personally would rather that balding men embrace the baldness than try to hide it... because, especially at a certain point, it's just not fooling anyone and looks worse than if you had shorter hair/shaved
cypherus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think jimmy fallon asked him if he could mess up his hair and he said ok and then he rubbed his head really hard, looked real to me. There's videos online, I'm on mobile and can't link.
I also remember on the Apprentice at one point he was right next to a running helicopter. His hair was messy as fuck, but didn't fly away. So either it's real, or it's superglued on.
People joke that it's a wig but forget that he's rich. He doesn't buy wigs, he buys hair transplants. Seriously, the guy who made the procedure lives in Trump tower.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the clip of Jimmy Fallon messing with Trump's hair on his show. If it were fake it would have been gone. I'm surprised he didn't yank it out even if it is real with how vigorously he tried.
It's real I can believe it but it infuriates me that he leaves it like that. I guess he is heavily invested in the 80s "wealthy tycoon" aesthetic but like give me 5 minutes with some hair product and even I could help him style his hair better.
Even more confusing is that his wife is a hot model so like you would think one night in their house she would be like "Honey, just bear with me and let me play with your hair for a few minutes I want to see what I can do".
But honestly I know the reason he keeps it that way is probably because of business strategy. The hair is part of his image and it makes him unmistakable.
firekstk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:22 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, those late night talk show hosts are the prime source of unbiased and totally sincere interviews.
sounds of Jimmy Fallon croaking at a bad joke in the distance
seign ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:35:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the idea that he's actually proud of his hair. So much so that he had not one but two people touch it to acknowledge it was real on a stage in front of thousands of people on two separate circumstances.
He mussed his hair at some point, but the incident I'm thinking of was a random audience member.
vadergeek ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:37:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the people who don't think his hair is real. Why would he order a toupee that absurd, then continue to order new ones in that exact style for decades, even after constant mockery, with slight alterations to account for aging?
You take that back. Don's glorious hair has done nothing wrong. It's basically America personified in keratin form. If it could talk, it'd say "Murica. Deal with it."
urgaan ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother met him and did the exact same thing. They were on an elevator for whatever reason and she said it was the softest hair she'd ever felt
Xearoii ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:49:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Millions of people also want to know what Taylor Swift ate for breakfast. It doesn't become a good question. Also the hair thing has been hashed so many times that at this point it's just a running joke.
What year was this? I used to have to cover NY, Texas and Vegas ICSC conferences for a couple years and tried to avoid the dinner/speaker things like the plague. Hate I missed something like this!
thomase7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TheAC997 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:59 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood how anyone could think his hair isn't real. If it weren't real, wouldn't it be less shitty? I don't ask my neighbor with the infamously-bad-looking Christmas tree if it's real.
Did he return the favor by grabbing her by the pussy?
ShocK13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grabbed her by the pussy and helped her onto the stage. Upstanding gentleman.
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Trumpy wanted her to rub his other head though, probably, tbh
dibetta ยท 4665 points ยท Posted at 19:23:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at one of his golf courses for 3 years as a valet and i also upkept the practice facilities (including driving around the ball picker upper).
Every time i dealt with Big Donald he was more than respectful. Also we had an Mexican guy who cleaned carts, Felipรฉ who he personally provided housing for out of his own pocket because he thought Felipรฉ was such a good worker and valuable asset to the course (which he was, the guy was such a nice guy and a crazy good worker). All in all, I had a polar opposite view of who Donald Trump was prior to this election cycle.
jedieaston ยท 2231 points ยท Posted at 22:14:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm pretty sure that he is a lot different than the way he acted publicly this election cycle. All of the stories in this thread say the same thing: he is nice. He probably just acted the way he did [in the campaign] to get attention, and get his name in front of America.
Eggmont ยท 1574 points ยท Posted at 22:57:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this thread and election say a lot more about America than they do about Trump.
Makes me wonder, if he had sat down, come up with some real solid policies and put them forward while acting like this, would he have made it past the primary?
He should have been out there throwing around rhetorical bombs and grabbing media attention wherever possible.
Cuddlyaxe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:32:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still think Rand Paul could've done well if Trump (because of populist appeal) and Sanders (Ron drew heavy young people, Rand ended up competing directly with Sanders for young votes)
traws06 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:04:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya really sucks because I was a big Rand supporter (apparently I was one of the 5%). I think his problem is that he doesn't play the game with reporters well enough. When they make ludicrous statements and bend the truth he calls them out and basically tells them they're stupid. While he's right, many Americans view this as rude and politically incorrect. The only way to pull that off is to be Trump and brand that as your politician style.
[deleted] ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 23:32:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look what happened to Kasich. So no. Ron Paul had ideas, Jill Stein has ideas. Bernie had ideas. You don't elect the President's policies, you elect their personality. Their policies will never get anywhere anyway
I mean, I actually did like Bernie's personality, and I feel like a lot of other people did too. It wasn't just his policies - He seemed like one of the only genuine candidates in the race. Like he truly believed in what he was preaching. And that means a lot in my book, because it means they'll be more likely to stand their ground when other people try to buy/bully the person into changing their stance.
That being said, I don't think he would have been any more effective than Obama at enacting the policies he talked about - He'd still be dealing with a rowdy congress. They would try to water down/block anything he tried to pass, just like Obamacare. The one thing he'd really have going for him is the fact that he'd get to appoint SCOTUS justices... And that would leave his mark for (potentially) decades, and would put the court more on his side.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, Bernie was my first choice despite us being in disagreement on a majority of the issues. I felt he was a good person. I want a good person steering the country. The legislature should control the actual policies, of course, with steering and influence from the executive since they have to enforce the laws, but still, a good congress is more important in my book than a good president.
Boy in the Bubble and Graceland are better. Al was kind of a novelty tune.
thwoomp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:49:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunate but true. It's the same in Canada. Trudeau said nothing of substance all campaign but people voted for him because of his charm and last name.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:57:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That, and if they had to look at a face for four years, it might as well be a pretty one.
traws06 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Personality is likely the top factor as far as I can tell, slightly outranking having the media on your side. Trump won because he is a salesman with the personality to back it up. Clinton lost despite having the media on her side because I think most Americans (or at least me and everyone she's ever worked with) views her as a terrible human being. That said, I didn't vote for Trump, but I didn't vote for her either.
Kasich is a nasty person, and owned by special interests, so it's not really the same thing.
Median2 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:29:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imo the whole thing screams of anti-estalishment and outrage. They wanted someone who was out there and seemed genuinely upset. It explains how someone like Trump or Sanders could have so much success against such long odds.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:04:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, no. We all say that we care about policy - and many of us do. But emotion rules. And with the media, clicks rule. Trump wouldn't get any media coverage if he just talked policy, and he wouldn't get as many social media followers either.
This loss of outreach would mean that few people would even hear about his policies, and even if they did emotions still rule. Trump would have to spend much, much more on ads to even have a chance, and without the backing of the GOP it would be such a huge personal cost it wouldn't be worth it.
He was facing what, 16 other people in the primaries? Most of them focused on policy. How much of that policy does anyone remember? I bet more people remember Fiorina's horse face and Jeb's lack of energy.
No. He knew that if you have around 15 Republican nominees then it's going to be hard to get airtime on the news and in the press.
But if you say something crazy or insulting or outrageous then that's going to make the news. The media gave Trump a wildly disproportionate amount of coverage early on and you can't really blame the press for this - they were just writing what the big story was.
Then as the Republican field thinned they just kept covering him more and more because he was genuinely in with a shot and others were so beige and samey.
Some are angry at the media for this, but has they not reported the crazy things that Trump was saying and doing then they wouldn't have been doing their job.
The really crazy part is, all those things he said and did, and that the media gave coverage to, didn't put people off voting for him.
fikme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:42:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and with every bad article , Hillary and her camp got big headed. This is why trump became a billionaire .. he m own how to side track competitors
I think Hillary's camp hugely underestimated three things -
How disliked she is by many people.
The moral repugnance of the populace who it seems don't care about the sexism, racism, etc of Trump.
Just how socially right wing so many people in America are. I'm not saying all Trump voters are racists, but they were clearly happy to vote for one as their leader.
fikme ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:09:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think also she undermines the real frustration people have in the economy .. people are tired of terrorism as it can affect anyone at any given time.. she didn't fully address what she's going to do about it or if she would do anything , illegal immigration has always been an issue, naturally people hate it , but because of Clinton camp and media , they make it seem like if you hate illegal immigrants you are racist on a way.. which is not true . They twisted his words and made it seem as if he said he hates all immigrants , which any person with a. Rain can differentiate the two .. she learnt a big lesson , a hhuugggee lesson .. trump told them he was going to win Florida , I'm sure they rolled their eyes .. this guys confidence is beyond .. I'm Australian , but watching American politics this year has been very entertaining.. in Australia , illegal immigrants are just that .. you get caught on a train with the wrong ticket , they ask for your ID, you don't have ID , you are taken to police station , you are illegal ? Yeah you get deported .. simple as that .. on USA chief of LAPD and other states saying they will not be supporting the deportation of illegal criminals, and you are the police ????? Crazy
This thread keeps talking about the difference between how he acted before and how he acted when he ran but it's all deflections. There was no difference. He was never racist/secist/hateful, it's the left wing media making him out to be that way.
Same reason Romney and McCain weren't racist or sexist before running against Obama, suddenly were, then all of a sudden aren't again in present time.
Eggmont ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:22:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really have to disagree on that one. Watching him in debates and rallies he came across as all of those things and was more than willing to embolden people with far worse views
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:57:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because thats what the media conditioned you to think.
Eggmont ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:18:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know, those are my views.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:50:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they are
red_280 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was never racist/secist/hateful, it's the left wing media making him out to be that way.
Except he actually did say racist/sexist/hateful things. The 'left wing media' aren't biased for simply reporting things he actually said, and they certainly weren't taking that stuff out of context. It's nice to know Trump might be a pretty decent guy in reality but let's not conveniently ignore all the hateful shit that's come out of his mouth.
Nice deflection. There are like a good 50 more times where he said dispatching things to them. Did YOU even read the article? I just did, and altgough it said that, it also said much more bad stuff lol. I think you're just being selectively biased.
I've made like 10 comments in the past 24 hours, mostly on mobile on my commute. You've almost made 40. I think it's safe to say you're the one who should be going outside.
CykoNuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:54 on February 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People always send me these links. After going through them, I can't find any hard evidence that he's racist. His words get chopped up or put out of context. And if his dad was racist, or the he had racist clients doesn't mean he's racist. I watched a ton of his speeches, and source video on his "racist" speeches, and it's not what the media says. I came across this piece written by a doctor who hates trump, but explains why Trump won. Keep calling Trump racist, and we will get Trump for 8 years.
immaanuel ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wanted to ban muslims from the US for an unspecified amount of time. That is literally textbook racism straight from his mouth
He said he groped women, how is that not sexism/horrible?
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ant_guy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:41:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Islam isn't a race.
No, but this sort of rhetoric leads to fear and hatred towards anyone who looks Middle Eastern, even if they aren't Muslim.
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ant_guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:00:28 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is that people with radical intentions represent such a small group in comparison to the Muslim population.
Including the 9/11 attack in New York, there have been 10 terrorist attacks on US soil perpetrated by a total of 31 people over a 15 year period. The current estimated Muslim population is 3.3 million people. That means that these attacks were perpetrated by 0.0009% of the US Muslim population. Creating a registry of Muslim citizens is basically a fascist intrusion into the privacy of American citizens in the US for very little gain for the same reason that creating a registry of gun owners is a fascist intrusion into the lives of firearm enthusiasts.
Okay, he's not a racist, he's a bigot. Happy? And he said he wanted US citizen muslims to be registered as well, so it is definitely bigotry
Okay, but it's random women not his wife LMAO. IF you can't tell the difference you're irredeemable. Groping your GF/wife is fine if she's okay with it. Go in public and grab random women and you'll get a much different reaction.
You can be sexist and promote women, racist and promote blacks, etc. It isn't 0 or 100%. This is the same logic that leads to "I can't be racist, I have a black friend". It doesn't work. Just because he's promoted women doesn't mean he's not a bigot
Trump supporters man lmao
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So? I don't talk like that either but I've heard lots of trashy boastful talk from various men when they thought they were in the right setting, it has nothing to do with being a capable manager or negotiator.
that doesn't mean it isn't scummy.
In fact, many past Presidents have been womanizers, including Hilary's husband.
why is every trump supporters defense to blame bill clinton. Bill AND trump can both be scumbags, and Bill isn't currently in office. And many people have disliked clinton so it isn't like he's scott free
Not being mean, but are lacking in common sense? Those crazies weren't produced by or fed by an organized group of religious philosophers specializing in recruiting them and egging them on to violence.
Every other country is making attempts to lower their climate impact, and the US is now about to increase its
Just because the climate would still warm up doesn't mean we shouldn't mitigate it. What logic is that? "Well things are already sorta fucked so let's completely fuck it up because XD".
And coastal cities (aka the biggest, richest, most profitable cities) will flood and cause millions of refugees and economic devastation and death, so a much bigger than the relatively few terror attacks.
The Muslim American registery story is another propaganda news lie. BTW Trump got 3x the number of Muslim votes as Romney did according to care. The Muslim countries in the ME that are secular are ecstatic that he's been elected so they don't believe the media lies either. Trump knows the Sharia Law jihad Muslim's threaten our Muslim citizens and he wants to protect them.
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Wzup ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:32:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were there in the primaries (mostly), and he gave a series of policy speeches that everyone seemed to ignore.
curias00 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:16:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Trump has written about media manipulation for years. The reason he isn't beloved yet is because he beat the globalists the fuck back, and they control the media.
Can you explain why "Globalist" is a dirty word? Shouldn't we all be working towards a more integrated and equal world where all humans are treated the same and have the same opportunities? That's the definition of globalist that I understand, and I find it hard to comprehend why people would be against this. Thanks for your answer.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some economists will argue that no tariffs on trade are good for everyone involved. countries will play to their strengths, and both as a whole will be better off.
This ignores many realities. The one that strikes home for many Americans is how, since other workers are cheaper, many jobs that do not require physical presence can be shipped overseas.
Another is the fact that this does not help societal inequalities: Higher profit margin activities are relatively monopolized by the rich countries, and then some of the smartest people in the poorer countries will brain drain to the rich ones.
Finally, in a truly globalist society, people can own and run businesses across borders. So, someone can take advantage of one countries benefits, but then take the profit/final benefits and move it towards a different place.
The arguments against globalism are very similar to the arguments against trickle down economics.
The one that strikes home for many Americans is how, since other workers are cheaper, many jobs that do not require physical presence can be shipped overseas.
Yeah, of course. What's the harm in that? A worker in the developing world is of just as much value as any other worker, in my nation or otherwise. I'm not sure why I should place a priority on people simply because they live in my nation โ a human is a human, no matter the country.
Another is the fact that this does not help societal inequalities: Higher profit margin activities are relatively monopolized by the rich countries, and then some of the smartest people in the poorer countries will brain drain to the rich ones.
I can certainly see this, but is this really a globalism problem or an economic inequality problem?
curias00 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Globalism as it's used currently by the media, is thought of as some worldwide utopia. What it really is, is billionaires, royalty, heads of mega corporations, lobbyists, politicians, working together to gain complete control over the resources of the world. It's the powerful, working together to put the right people (puppets) in place, to ensure their power grows. These are the George Soros types, (currently funding the riots all over the US), the Rockefeller types (bankers who profit off of war), and Monsanto types (corporation that is taking control of the worldwide food market by persecuting and bankrupting smaller farmers).
Trump is a direct threat to their stranglehold on all facets of our lives, and his run at the presidency was aimed directly at them. That's why their friends in the mass media (Murdoch, Ted Turner, cable conglomerate types) made it their mission to destroy him. He proved too much, but it's far from over.
Their intentions aren't what you think they are. I'm not the best at articulating this either. Watch a full length Alex Jones film, or start with "America: Freedom to Fascism" for a start if you're interested.
Isn't trump the exact same type of person you mentioned. A rich businessman with ties to political people
Hell, he ran on a platform of drain the swamp and he's now filling his cabinet with textbook establishment. Doesn't that put him in that same camp?
Also:
Alex Jones
curias00 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:28:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's rich, but not a globalist, and not beholden to them. See his tweet to Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal as a pretty decent example.
Have you taken a look at what's happened with his cabinet since yesterday?
I honestly don't give a fuck what you think of Alex Jones; he's been calling out the Clintons on their bs since the 90s, same with the Bush family. He recognized the faux 2 party system before anyone else.
So you're a batshit conspiracy theorist, but thanks for your contribution. It should be obvious, as I believe it is for most of us here, that the people you claim are "in charge" of this globalist order are far to disorganized... "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" is a razor that is pretty universal, and goes directly against your concept here.
Why are riots caused by George Soros? Why is it not understandable that some people in this nation are upset and scared of a Trump presidency due to some of his comments, and they would make their displeasure known?
Why must war be caused in order to make a profit? Is it not enough that one group of people is upset with another, and choose to resolve those disagreements with arms?
Why is Monsanto automatically evil? Isn't it possible that farmers actively broke contracts with Monsanto to not hold seeds from year to year, and were suit for this breech? Does it really have to be part of some global conspiracy to rule us all?
Nobody has a stranglehold on anyone's life... I'm not sure why you think that. The only thing I can suggest is that your response to seeing a confusing and broken world of other imperfect humans is to assume that there are some people who are evil and causing deliberately causing harm, which just tells me that you're not putting effort into imagining other people, like Soros, the Rockefellers, or Monsanto, as other humans, equivalent to yourself, with their own motivations.
We're all humans. Nobody's (well, very few people's) goal in life is to make other people's lives worse. People are good, even if sometimes it seems like their actions can cause a lot of shit for others.
curias00 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:50:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah im completely batshit. Here's a tip: don't come out of the gates screaming insults, or people will continue to not give a shit what you think.
You seem well meaning but inexperienced and indoctrinated more than educated. When you want to know the truth that is well documented about Soros and the Globalists agenda you can easily find info on you tube and google. BTW all MSM is Pravda level propaganda. Often flat out lies. They are not just biased. They lie on purpose. Again, Wikileaks of Pedestas emails laid this scandal out but it was only covered on citizen news sites. It seems you're way out of the info loop. Good luck.
There's a conspiracy theory about him. It's not really a conspiracy theory but close though. Anyways, the way it goes is Donald was trying to get brand recognition in a crazy elaborate advertising campaign. So he got all the media coverage he could and spewed the nastiest shit to kill his campaign and walk away. Turns out it didn't matter and he won. So imagine him with his campaign advisers saying "Okay folks we had a good run it's time to shut it down" "Let's build a wall and keep out muslims til we know what the hell is going on!". I don't believe it's true but it's funny to think about.
It honestly makes me wonder a lot of stuff, but I've come to leave it at "He was acting". Views on him vary a lot outside the US (Southamerican here), but I honestly hated the guy (maybe I still do, idk).
However, I think it is clear the stories don't show the same person everyone saw during the elections, being fed by the media or not, one of them is who he really is, but we're not talking about the same personality.
That's the thing. Pretend your a nice guy who wants to run for office but you understand how hopelessly attracted to drama and craziness America is. You realize that appealing to the emotional nature of people is much more effective then the rational nature of people. You realize that appealing to the rational nature of people is less likely to get you elected especially if other people speak to emotions more and more. What do you do? The "right" thing an lose out to a candidate who make that emotional appeal or do you appeal to the emotions to get into office and stay popular while doing what you can to change things rationally as you see fit or to your best ability because you can't do anything close to it if you lose the race?
I'm not saying this does or doesn't describe Donny Trump but if it does do you understand and or agree with the approach?
That's the thing. Pretend your a nice guy who wants to run for office but you understand how hopelessly attracted to drama and craziness America is. You realize that appealing to the emotional nature of people is much more effective then the rational nature of people. You realize that appealing to the rational nature of people is less likely to get you elected especially if other people speak to emotions more and more. What do you do? The "right" thing an lose out to a candidate who make that emotional appeal or do you appeal to the emotions to get into office and stay popular while doing what you can to change things rationally as you see fit or to your best ability because you can't do anything close to it if you lose the race?
I'm not saying this does or doesn't describe Donny Trump but if it does do you understand and or agree with the approach?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you've spelled out why he won. He won by saying actual "stuff" if you will, lots and lots of stuff that anyone can understand. Some of it good, some bad, but it was so different than the way a politician talks that it worked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want an answer to that question, just ask Rand Paul
Think of Trump like a startup. They do a ton of testing with their messaging, they run lean (Trump had like a fourth of Hillary's staff), they do outrageous things to get free press, and they hire and fire fast (think of the revolving door of campaign managers)
As a strong republican I point this out all the time. Our primary system is ass backwards stupid. You need to get a lot of momentum in the early states like Iowa and new hampshire (then you roll into the deep south) before you get to big states that start to matter. This often leads our candidiates to force out the ultra right conservative views which are non starters in the general election.
Fact is in these primaries you need big local personalities to help you campaign, the evangelicals in the south, community leaders in Iowa, etc. Especially Iowa which isn't even just a straight up popular vote, very fragmented process and you have to play the game. Some of these community leaders will straight up ask you what your stance is on gay marraige/abortion/welfare. And you have to be right wing with it, can't be a little progressive or you get no support and will trail off. Just the way it is, the attention you get in the debates, media, Bill oriley doesn't want to interview the moderate conservative who is running in 10th place after the first dozen primaries. And in the debate the moderator doesn't want to ask them about their policy of increase our total factor productivity by removing inefficient land use and zoning regulations.
You have to be loud, crash, and pander hard to the base that comes out in the primaries. Make someplace like California, AZ, new york, flordia, ohio, wesconsin, etc the first few states and it would fix a lot of this.
Deadpan9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this thread and election say a lot more about America than they do about Trump.
Kind of like Kevin Smith's view of the Superman dichotomy, that Clark Kent is a judgement on humanity, where he has to act meek, mild-mannered, and unwilling to risk himself for anybody else in order to fit in with other humans.
Eggmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting thought. Though Superman is an imperfect example since there is also a practical element to his disguise being the opposite of his true self. Plus it's not totally irrational to have some serious concerns about the existence of one man with the power to do basically anything he wants with the world. But I'm just nitpicking
Doubtful, the problem with the GOP primaries and debates is that there were WAY too many candidates, which is why everyone thought that Jeb Bush (because of his family name) and Ted Cruz (cuban and super conservative) were sure fire winners. He used the media's thirst for juicy controversial stories against them to stand out from the 8+ candidates.
Trump has great policies. The left sided spectrum doesnt ever talk about em. Look up his 1st 100days plan. Goto his site DonaldJTrump.com
Hes on top of it. The progressive media machine just attacks republicans. Nothing new, really.
Eggmont ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read them, nothing particularly impressed me but a whole lot worries me a great deal. Expanding an already hilariously bloated millitary, a tax plan that will add trillions to the debt, a wall that Mexico will never pay for and a whole lot of bland platitudes about improving things with no real road map for how
dibetta ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 22:17:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like a someone competing against basically unlimited money needs to say things that get the media focused on him in order to get their message out there and win.
sdhov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more than that. There is tapping into anger, there is simplifying things so they can fit into a short speech, a tweet or a 1 minute feature in the news. Then there is your run-of-the mill campaign smear. I still think it was an awful campaign. And you cannot just justify everything that Trump said. For example, what he said about McCain being a POW. What was the point of that? Was it necessary, was it justified? Was there seriously no other ways to catch media attention?
I didn't say he was perfect but you cannot deny he played the media like fiddle.
Also, simplifying statements into easily digestible statements is a fantastic way to get your message out in easily digestible manner.
sdhov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he got a ton of free coverage, but in a dirty way imho. Of course, media does share some blame into being all over it, and people do to for being excited over things like this, instead of more useful statements, e.g. on policy.
I am not saying simplifying is a bad thing. Every politician does it. "We will reduce a number of immigrants.. well except a few sectors that are underemployed, and those where american manufacturing cannot be made internationally competitive with the current cost of basic materials and wages." does not sound nearly as exciting as "wall! huge wall. Less people will mean more jobs and higher salaries!" Let's wait and see how his experts treat those nuances, because that's what actually matters.
It's the All-American bigger-than-life show. Circus magnate P.T. Barnum made it the American way, Vince McMahon perfected kayfabe making pro wrestling a story instead of a sport, Ronald Reagan turned acting into acting presidential, and Donald Trump owns it big-league.
Trump is friends with Vince McMahon, king of the WWF / WWE, and after finding that out, I realized the Republican Convention was pure kayfabe, even including a "heel turn" for Cruz.
Similarly, Michael Jackson played up his own weirdness on purpose to keep his name in the news, which came back to bite him when people started saying, "He has a private amusement park and a monkey, so maybe he also diddles kids." The big show can come at a big cost, but it's a big high in its own right, so you gotta know when to get off the ride.
kcazduke ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:34:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That might be so. Nice is not moral, or selfless, or wholesome. Anyone can put on a pleasant smile and make polite conversation, especially out in public. Doubly so when they have a public reputation to protect. But even someone who will shake your hand and wish you well can be a ruthless businessman, a narcissistic bigot, or a womanizer.
Nice is not a measure of a person's character. Nice just means you know how to act polite.
Or he really is a nice guy and the media lied to you.
vhiran ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:40:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Media lied to everyone, trying to pretend this was a squash match for Hillary when she was one of the worst candidates to ever be shat out by the political machine. They were just like the DNC. "IT'S HER TURN" no bitches, you have to earn victory, and she didnt.
He said awful things at his rallies and in his speeches. These things are recorded on video. Believe it or not, that actually IS Trump saying those awful things, not the media. It's pretty tough for a news company to stay in business if they lie about something someone said when we have video evidence of what was actually said. Not sure what you're referring to
I went to one of his rallies. I work for a small local publication as a photographer and I scored press credentials to a rally. I was scared enough when I left the rally to hide my press credentials and was extremely thankful my camera bag is well disguised. He whipped the crowd up into such a furor. It was amazing to watch. After the rally was over, a wall of police officers had to keep the attendees from attacking protestors.
Now did he say anything too outlandish at the rally? Yes and no. He said in the old days, you could punch people while one protestor was dragged out. One protestor was a black guy and he said something about "those people" which could be taken as either a slur or talking about protestors. What got me was the media manipulation. He had us all in a pen. We had to get there two hours early and once in the pen we couldn't leave and then come back in (this is all very unusual, just as a heads up). So there's about fifty of us in this pen, huge cameras from CNN, Fox etc. These cameras are set up in a way that they can't really be moved. These aren't regional news cameras, these are the big guys. During the rally he kept talking about media and how the media was against him, causing the crowd to turn around to look at us and scream at us throughout the hour. He said, "these media people, they'll never show you the size of my crowds. They are afraid of the amount of people that come hear me speak." Well. I WOULD HAVE taken photos if I were allowed outside the pen. The cameras would swivel to show the crowds IF THEY COULD have. He manipulated the media just as much as he blames the media of manipulating everything else.
He finished the rally with his pledge that he was doing there for awhile that was vaguely reminiscent of the "heil hitler" salute.
I covered a Bernie rally two days later and was treated like a person. Again, very small local publication, these people in the audience know my work, they see it almost every day. They know my name, they know I'm not part of the giant corrupt media machine, and yet I still left afraid they'd turn on me. That's his power. It's not in what he said at the rally, but how he said it. And I think media manipulation aside, it's pretty clear he's said some hugely divisive things over the course of his campaign.
Could you provide those videos of him saying awful things? Cause a lot of what he said was taken out of context and blown out of proportion. (not saying you're lying, I just want to see what you think those awful things are)
For example, the media reported (repeatedly) that Trump called Mexicans rapists, or that he said Mexican immigrants are rapists. Meanwhile, what he actually did, was say that illegal immigrants from Mexico include drug dealers, criminals, rapists, and some good people. He didn't say anything about Mexicans as a race, nor did he even say that all illegal immigrants were rapists.
He fucking said John McCain is not a hero because he was captured by the enemy. He fucking attacked a Gold Star family. Any other time, especially if Barack Hussein Obama or Shillary did that they'd immediately be disqualified. For fuck sakes. You're talking to people who have memories.
Bnjoec ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:34:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this election cycle didn't show you the media lies idk what help we could offer you.
aznhomig ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:11:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking seriously. If anyone still trusts the media after this election, they're hopelessly blue pilled and confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
I watched every single rally in full from the beginning. There was only love and hope and inclusively except when paid DNC thugs and haters showed up to try to scare people into not listening to Trumps uplifting message.
What did he say, specifically, that you think would make the KKK support him? Because from what I know, they're Conservatives, albeit with a slightly crazy tinge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stuff he has said about Mexican and Muslim immigrants.
Ummm when it took him 48 hours before he sarcastically said "I disavow. OK. I disavow". Prior to that he pretended to not know who David Duke was when Duke first urged his followers to support Trump.
The KKK is a few thousand idiots in nowheresville USA. Its utter, total, complete, 100%, entire, massive irrelevance in American politics cannot be overstated.
A person who's good at pretending that hes not nice, does, too
ntheg111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This.
Besides Scott Adams, nobody seems/wants to get this. Trump wrote a frigging book about using this tactic, and people think he's dumb despite proving them wrong.
Like, do people actually think Melania accidently had a line from Michelle's speech in hers? They think they what, copied it accidentally? Coincidence?
He probably just acted the way he did to get attention, and get his name in front of America.
Even the "persona" you put on to 'get your name in front of America' says a lot about you as a person. I doubt Trump would have said the things he did if he didn't tend to believe them.
Is it surprising that he won an election in America by being loud and kinda racist? That is what a good portion of this country is. . . loud and kinda racist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe that, but his appointment choices tell me he's not such a great guy.
He didn't campaign for the presidency. He marketed for it.
gopms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always maintained that Donald Trump is not the problem, the problem is that millions of people voted for him based on the campaign that he ran. That is terrifying.
I don't know... There was a big article from a few years ago about when the trump tower was being built. He used a non-union crew to do the demolition of the previous building which consisted of mainly Polish/ East European immigrants. The only reason all these details are known is due to a lawsuit for failing to pay them their salary.
I figured he had to be at least somewhat charismatic in private because it always seems like he goes into debates with politicians that hate him (Paul Ryan, Obama, etc.) and comes out with a pretty solid compromise. If he were really that much of a hardass nobody would play ball with him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figured a lot of what he said was hot air. Even the racist, sexist, etc things; him trying to play a part. However he did end up selecting Pence, who is known very well for his homophobia and sexism toward women and wanting to infringe on women's birth control laws. So that does make me wonder if he actually does side with the more awful things he said during elections. I suppose only time will tell.
Not to mention all the dirt that the media and clinton campaign was throwing at him. That probably ticked him off because obviously a lot of it was just public manipulation and false
Either that or this entire thing is an elaborate ruse.
SaloL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've considered two things:
First, I've heard he's a really competitive guy. Perhaps he treats "underlings" (for lack of a better term) with respect but those he's more on par with on in competition with differently, whether it's trying to ruffle them up or something.
Another point I've heard is, if you map his attitude during the election, it's almost a perfect "ruffian turn good guy" trope, where, in the beginning, he's sort of unwieldy and rude (perfect for grabbing attention), but toward the end he became more respectful and "presidential" (while still getting some good quips in every once in a while). Think of Han Solo when he went from smuggler to saving the day; people love that stuff. I can't say for certain, obviously, but it was an interesting thing to think about.
losjoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah kinda weird how conflicting all the information is.
His policy comes from caring. It's just painted as racist in soundbites.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He played the media. He knew they would try to turn him into a public spectacle and a figure of fun and ridicule so he fueled the fire enough that he was everywhere. Compare how much attention Trump got to Mitt Romney. That's campaign success. The media got hoodwinked so fucking bad that they couldn't even comprehend what was happening.
I'm starting to think that "Trump from The Apprentice" is the one who ran for president, rather than actual Trump. Like a lot of "reality" TV, the guy in the show is actually an exaggerated version of the real person, but now real Trump has the job.
If you think about it. He's a salesman at heart. He just came up with the right elements to sell a presidential candidate to the frustrated and dispossessed parts of America which he believes he can work to renew.
He probably just acted the way he did [in the campaign] to get attention, and get his name in front of America.
ding ding ding ding
Say something slightly outlandish. Media spends 15 minutes talking about "candidate trump" on every channel.
No exposure is bad exposure they say.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe he is normal. I believe most people are mostly nice, especially public figures. Trump still seems to have some sexism problems and possibly racism. People are complicated.
Or, he still is a nice guy, and the media just portrayed him as otherwise. Because where did you get your information on how Trump was during the election cycle? From first hand accounts like this, or from videos?
m477m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise, I'm sure Lady Gaga doesn't wear the dress made of meat around the house.
And he's not a trained politician. He just talks. For a year every word has been dissected. Imagine if that happened with you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll say this as a person that has worked in some fairly nice restaurants: Trump is a above all a service man.
No matter your opinion, tastes, or anything else he will cater to you. His opinions he will keep to himself. He can smile at your jokes and talk about how terrible they were back in the kitchen. Or not. His public image is very curated and poised.
I have coworkers exactly like this. They will serve you your food and you will get the best service in the city. They will then go to the back and show their coworkers their porn that they are watching about a lemon stealing whore and they will start discussing that.
It's why I really don't give a shit what he says, but I do acknowledge he's been through a couple bankruptcies and we have heard some of his "locker room talk". I watch him a little bit more knowing how my coworkers were and my bosses were, I was an odd man out in a big way. That being said, it doesn't take a good person to put on a good face.
Primary Trump and Campaign Trump were both characters he was playing. President Trump will be another, different character on top of those two.
JTPri123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump does say in the book he kinda sorta wrote (its debated, hes a co-author) that his strategy is to be excessive and over the top to garner attention and free media coverage, which he seems to have followed well. I do think his campaign personality was for show, though I don't know what to expect from him when hes in office.
There's a great video, and I forget the YouTube channel, but it talks exactly about how Trump's language and mannerisms in primaries was intentional. You have 17 people vying to be the nominee, you have to stand out.
Tohoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:33 on December 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's more like your grandpa that's the most wonderful human being you know until you start talking about politics, especially racial politics. People can be pretty contradictory - plenty of the most motivated Social Justice advocates whose aims are noteworthy and incredibly cruel interpersonally, and plenty of "build the wall" trumpistas that wouldn't blink twice about helping a Mexican family if their car broke down near their house.
It's kind of a male version of disney star syndrome. The nice ones no longer work in Hollywood while the trashy ones remain. In politics, the more tough or mean you appear to be, the better.
The accent means that the syllable is stressed. So the name you wrote is feliPAY.
badchris ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 21:55:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After having such a great experience with him personally, how do you feel about having your mind changed by the media?
dibetta ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 22:15:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll probably be downvoted, but honestly i kinda held onto some shred of belief that a lot less worse than the media portrays him, but nonetheless was exposed to his character flaws. Yeah he says some crazy stuff, but idk. I'll still always remember meeting him and for how he acted extremely professionally around everyone.
If there's one thing to portray that he's like "better than everyone" or whatever, he would sometimes land his helicopter on the course, and then just have any of the member who were playing move to the side of the few holes he wanted to play, but nobody I ever talked to minded about him doing that.
"He owns the course, I don't mind waiting a few minutes" was the general response I got from members
There's actually a lot of humor packed into that picture. Donald wants to play at his own golf course, so he interrupts whoever is playing so he can go through. Except instead of driving his golf cart around, he gets into his motherfucking helicopter after every hole and scoots on to the next one.
I can only imagine if I was playing some random golf course owned by Donald Trump and the man himself descends from the sky. I would actually be quite excited to get bumped by Trump. Even if it puts me behind schedule, what a great story.
dibetta ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:26:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I worded it a little poorly, he would land the helicopter on the course, and then have his personal golf cart that goes like 2x faster than all the others there for him that he'd drive around the course and have people move over
Remmib ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:24:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol all I can imagine now is a new level to golf where instead of carts we all get full size helicopters to fly from 1 hit to the next ... Then power all the way down for silence while I slice the hell outta this drive and end up hovering over the pond while chipping in my next shot.
In 2020 when he runs for re-election, we'll actually be able to debate his policy against his challenger instead of all this "racist, sexist, bigot" crap. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a saint. But the media turned him into a monster when he's likely just a below-average dude attitude-wise.
Xalteox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:42:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading all these replies really makes him seem bipolar, he actually seems like a really cool dude reading these replies. I have had a bit of a theory for a while that Trump actually put up an act during the campaign to exploit right wing anger, and his actions after his election seem to be somewhat supporting that.
I use to really not like the dude. Now I don't know what to think.
dibetta ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:16:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
for the record, its scary as shit when someone actually hits you head on the front windshield in those things. Its so loud and usually you're just so zoned out while picking balls that it jolts you back into reality
I always kind of assumed they would be used to it and my efforts were futile, but this right here, this motivates me.
dibetta ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:23:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually the sides are metal grates and are super loud and jostling, but seeing a golf ball hurling at you through the plastic non-shatter proof front windshield is like stomach turning. I never used to get mad or anything, obviously people are going to target you in that thing
cinepro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:54:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's Mr. Ball Picker Upper to you.
dibetta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well i kinda worked two jobs that got smushed into 1: I drove the machine that picks up the balls on the practice range, but i also parked cars for members and such.
Trump said some crazy stuff. But the media basically has portrayed him far worse than what he says. Hell, ESPN since the election has been anti-Trump story after anti-Trump story. You'd think it was MSNBC it's been so unwatchable to me.
I haven't watched ESPN in a long while. They have political pieces these days?!?
pldl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. But they constantly focus on Politically Correct stuff and being as PC as possible, and Trump was the anti-PC this election, so they constantly talked about him.
yeadoge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When it relates to sports in some way, they do. For instance, today they ran a story saying 3 NBA teams had pulled out of staying at Trump branded hotels. Not really relevant to sports fandom, but relevant politically.
TMWNN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:07:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many ESPN employees I talked to -- including liberals and conservatives, most of whom preferred to speak on background -- worry that the companyโs politics have become a little too obvious, empowering those who feel as if theyโre in line with the companyโs position and driving underground those who donโt.
โIf youโre a Republican or conservative, you feel the need to talk in whispers,โ one conservative ESPN employee said. โThereโs even a fear of putting Fox News on a TV [in the office].โ
but then ...
But Jemele Hill, co-host of ESPN2โs His & Hers, isnโt buying that. โI would challenge those people who say they feel suppressed,โ she said. โDo you fear backlash, or do you fear right and wrong?โ
That's typical Jemele Hill. She experienced a date rape in college, so of course every possible charge against an athlete is a pulpit for her to express how guilty the athlete must be. Her takes on Jameis were disgusting.
Also we had an Mexican guy who cleaned carts, Felipรฉ who he personally provided housing for out of his own pocket because he thought Felipรฉ was such a good worker
But everyone tells me he's racist and hates mexicans, this obviously can't be true!
Call me foolish, (I am as moderate as moderate can be... social liberal and slightly right of center fiscally), but Trump ran a campaign about "winning" and "I promise America will win". Given all the personal accounts about him being charitable and kind outside of business, and not only hiring minorities and women, but giving them positions of great responsibility in his organization.... I suspect the man just knew what he needed to do to win. Equally, I believe he'll generally govern squarely from the middle - with a bit of pandering to the right (I mean NOBODY is going to overthrow Roe v. Wade - it'll never happen - and Trump is smart enough to know that those things are distractions anyway).
I've thought this from day 1 - that he simply knew the messages he had to sell to resonate with middle America, and since he had enough skeletons in the closet, he could afford to be brash about it - after all, he had to shred like 15 other republicans to get the nod.
I think the whole election was meant for hillary to win and donald was there to make the republican party look really bad, when he won which wasnt supposed to happen no hes got two options, make the republican party look even worse or reveal that hes a secret democrat
Think there were any undocumented immigrants working there?
dibetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely sure!
mbeezier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Univision told me that Trump hated Mexicans!?!?!?
loveford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All in all, I had a polar opposite view of who Donald Trump was prior to this election cycle.
So your view of him has changed because of the election?
dibetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and no. While obviously we've all been exposed to his wild antics and he makes some crazy remarks, I still partially believe he is a genuine guy and is going to do his best and might even do a good job as president. He obv has some wild ideas that probably aren't going to get any traction, but a lot of his actual policies should play out well, and he already seems to have tuned back the crazy a little
scroom38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to people who have worked with him, trump is extremely good at marketing himself. I'm guessing he saw all the free coverage he was getting and rolled with it.
I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd much rather hear about the ball picker upper. What's it like driving it? Like a tank in a warzone I presume
dibetta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was a lot less powerful than i had envisioned honestly. Once you had a few hundred balls in the baskets it would get a little heavy and you'd have to be careful not to roll over wet spots because you'd rip up the grass. Getting hit by the balls was really jostling and would kinda just snap me back into reality after being zoned out.
Another thing i found myself doing was trying to make the most efficient loops around the various greens and such, but my least favorite thing i ever did was accidentally drive the picker directly into a sandtrap and get it stuck. That wasn't fun explaining to my overseer but shit happens i guess.
I'm just curious, but did your opinions of Trump change because of what you saw him say, or because of what you saw the mainstream news report him saying?
While they might technically be the same thing in some situations, they are undoubtedly tonally different. I recommend going back and looking at Trump's speeches yourself. Not to say you should have supported him, but I always want people to be as aware as possible.
This is also kind of personal to me, since I caught myself irrationally hating the man, and decided to see if I was justified. After some research into the candidates, who their friends were, what they were like as people, and what they were planning to do as POTUS, I concluded that I had been mislead, heavily.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felipรฉ? You mean Felipe?, It hasn't an accent like Josรฉ
You have to remember media twisted his words A LOT. Perhaps someone like Filipe told Trump how hard it was to get his family in legally due to all the illegals and that stemmed his chatter about a wall
nidnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then trust your initial impression. Meeting someone is real, an election campaign is not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:53 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See I've got no doubt Donald Trump is nice to people one on one, even if I am an anti Trump person. Even giving a hard worker personal housing sounds right.
M6075 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:39 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So after this, did you vote for trump?
[deleted] ยท 327 points ยท Posted at 21:11:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump came into the movie theater I used to work at, and I served him at the concession stand. He asked about the flavors of our Slushies, they were White Cherry and Cotton Candy. He got the Cotton Candy. Donald Trump enjoys cotton candy...and I literally know that for a fact forever now. He also paid in exact change.
"Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal, The Movie". Funny or Die made it before Trump was even the actual Republican Nominee. It's about 50 minutes long, has a good amount of funny cameos and Depp's Trump is fucking hilarious. It actually rejuvenated my love for Johnny Depp, brought him back to the younger guy who would do small projects just for the sake of the work. And it's on Netflix now so go watch it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol it wasn't shit, it just made fun of Donald Trump so you probably didn't like it. It's pretty anti-Trump, so I doubt people that voted for him were laughing very hard.
Garmose ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:17:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian piping in here. Imho it was fairly mediocre, had some funny bits, had some boring bits, but it is comedy. Can't please everyone with every piece of comedy.
Oh I'm not saying it was a masterpiece by any means, I mean it's only like an hour long right? It's one of those things where you just have to take it at face value, a cheaply made little comedy meant to take potshots at a real estate moguls ridiculous life.
Garmose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that, I just expected more from Funny or Die, I guess. I think they've done some incredibly funny stuff, whereas this felt like a drawn-oit SNL skit that wasn't fully thought out.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:18:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I HATE Trump and can say with all sincerity that this movie was pretty fucking awful and awkward, and I can't recall laughing at any point. Honestly don't remember if I made it to the end. Surprisingly, Johnny Depp does a great Trump though.
I'm an insurance agent and I have a lot of wealthy clients. One thing that sticks out to me is how precise most of them are with their money. Before working here I just assumed that the wealthy people would just have an accountant pay for it all, but the truth is they're really involved and very aware of their expenditures... For example, I have the wife of a very famous actor client who buys his son a brand new BMW every year, no leases, no loans -- just cash purchase.
This same famous actor's wife calls me before EVERY renewal whether there's an increase in premium or not, just wants to make sure that they're getting the best rate. They've threatened to take their insurance somewhere else over a $23 increase.
As another agent who has dealt with very similar scenarios, I feel your pain. I had one client who was wealthy who called to ask why his premium went up $10 on his Homeowners. Then again the wealthiest client I had would always just tell me whatever needs to be done, I trust you. I found a lot of variance.
Anyway, really just commenting to empathize with you.
Yeah, I didn't mean to paint with a broad brush. There are definitely varying amounts of interaction with my clients, but all of them are involved in some way. The only client I've ever had that only worked through an account is one that was a trust fund baby and apparently completely unable to manage her own finances.
I'm glad I'm not the only one on reddit to experience these things!
I was just saying I would love to talk to different agents and hear the dumbest or strangest things they've ever heard from clients. I would find that very entertaining.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 21:06:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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katieblu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:44:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did Olaf survive?!
kbaby27 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:29:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, sadly he was calling because Olaf was dead and the person who hit Olaf wanted the guy to pay for his car damage.
katieblu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:49:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The person who hit Olaf should pay for damage to Olaf R.I.P.
kbaby27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the other side, there's a family of hundred millionaires in my town. All of the sons go by their wives last names for business because whenever they request a quote on something as soon as people hear their last name they triple it. My dad did some business with them once, sold them a system at the standard $5k price and while talking afterwards he found out he underbid everyone else by 600%.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:35:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean 80%. To underbid someone by 600% you would be paying them five times the standard rate you charge them
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:40:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wealthy people I know seem to have specific things they care about. I know one guy who will not pay more than ยฃ15 for a tie, but casually drops ยฃ30000 on a bicycle...
I'd imagine some people worked their way up so they wouldn't have to worry about money, and some people worked their way up because they worry about money so much.
I work in pool service and the wealthiest (based on house) just asks we do our job, and he will pay for whatever is needed. We could probably triple charge him and he wouldn't notice. Of course we don't and will still talk to him about high ticket expenditures.
But we have another that is probably around the same wealth, maybe slightly less. And they are sticklers for EVERYTHING and don't want us to charge them for anything without asking. No matter if it is $4.
Well it's the system your company's employ. If I can call and complain about an increase or just in general and receive a LOWER rate, Why wouldn't I?
No one is getting rich having your debts nickel and dime you.
I want the lowest rate possible... $0 would be best.
Typically, only speaking as an independent agent, that doesn't mean you get your rates lowered assuming you want to keep your current carrier. If you ask to be remarketed into other carriers we can happily oblige, most honest agents make sure you are getting the best possible coverage with all available discounts and rate decreases possible. Particularly in personal insurance, it is such a competitive field these days. It is our job to check renewals and also if your carrier has new programs available to see if that would help reduce premium. I can only speak for myself I suppose. There is nothing better in my day than getting to call someone with good news like reducing their premium. You're more than free to call and ask.
100% agree. If someone calls me for a reshop request I tell them that I'll get it done and call them the next day. If it's a premium decrease, I'll stay after to get the new policy bound. It's a great feeling, AND it brings in referrals and helps with retention.
geacps2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then again the wealthiest client I had would always just tell me whatever needs to be done, I trust you
that doesn't fit this threads narrative, my brother
Got them backwards. "Old money" denotes family money, often accumulated over successive generations. "New money" is the money made over one's own lifetime.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You know when you just say "Ah, fuck it" and you spend a lot more money somewhere than you were originally planning? I'm guessing rich people also have those situations except it's with hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe even millions.
Sure, percentage wise it may not be a lot of their money, but a million dollars can cause a lot of change in the world, and they can't afford to let that slip.
So they learn to be stingy as hell with everything, so they can be fiscally conservative when they need to. Most people who make it rain and pay for bottle service all day and night usually don't stay rich long.
If I make $X and I just buy a BMW to have a BMW there's no deduction, why would there be? You're being taxed on income, not what's left after you buy stuff.
And even if you could make a deduction, it's not free. A $60,000 tax deduction doesn't save you $60,000 in taxes.
ATangK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you earn $150k, and you buy a BMW as a work car for $60k, you only have to pay tax on the $90k you earnt in Aus.
As a business car? Well, in the US, you'd actually have to be using that car for business beyond driving to work. You'd have to keep separate records. And then you'd face limits on the deduction, as there are limits in place so you can't deduct the full value of a luxury car.
Even in your Australian example, you still aren't saving $60k, you're only saving the tax you would have paid on $60k.
ATangK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:57 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Here you could use the car 3 days a week and still have it count. And of course it's only 90k taxable income (in my example). We have a tax free bracket near 20k, but at 90k tax is almost 50%. Hence the tax deductions are important.
When the sun rises in the west and truth becomes fiction and fiction becomes truth.
I guess, IDK.
Edit: for fucks sakes man, the OP here told a 100% true statement, look it up. Trump inherited his money then many of his businesses' went bankrupt. Nothing about it is false in the slightest.
He inherited a shit ton (I think like 200m but too lazy to check) from his dad. The part people often leave out though is that he was already a billionaire when he inherited it.
I have not so wealthy clients also, and if you were nice to me I would happily re-shop your insurance every single time there was a rate increase at renewal. I work for a brokerage, so that's what we do. If your broker isn't doing that for you, or you're insured with a direct company (Allstate, State Farm, Farmers, etc...) it might be time to shop around!
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:50:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before working here I just assumed that the wealthy people would just have an accountant pay for it all
I've been waiting for this. I was actually going to go on a diatribe about how songs and TV interpretations formed my opinions on the wealthy, but then realized I have a tendency to ramble.
Nice catch, great song.
wwfmike ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:14:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a difference in this behavior between old and new money people?
There can be, but there can also be a huge difference between just new money people, too.
I have one very affluent client who came from nothing and literally counts every cent she has. I've watched her eat the meat of out shrimp tails a lot of people ignore because "it'd be a waste of money."
Inversely, I have a client who came from nothing and became incredibly wealthy when is wife, who was a very close client and friend, died suddenly. They had both been raised dirt poor, but she'd pulled them to the upper class. She handled all of the finances for a reason, though. When she died, he became a multimillionaire (literally) overnight. Fast forward just under six months and he'd spent $4mil of the $6mil she left him and their young daughter. They could have literally wanted for nothing and had a secure income for the rest of their lives (I know, we showed them how) and he blew it on frivolous material things and very, very poor "business decisions." He repeatedly ignored what we'd tell him because he liked looking like a big shot in front of people, and now he's paying for it.
Source: I'm a financial advisor and insurance agent.
Another agent here. Got a client who built himself from the ground up with street smarts and a 4th grade education. He's truly smart with his money, save for the fact that he spoils his son rotten. The son is grown now, but doesn't work and likes to flaunt the money around. Makes me sad to see it squandered like that, but yeah. Not my money.
Insurance agent here, and ain't that the truth. The wealthier clients are the ones who call in at every renewal and complain about any increase. I don't have anyone nearly as big as your clients (I have a couple of upper-management guys from one Fortune 500 company), but the millionaires are always the most difficult. I either currently or in the past have handled the insurance for Bill gates, Michael Jackson, and Eli Manning. However, not the ones you are thinking of.
elligirl ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:19:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like people with a lot of money are good at managing their expenses. Weird. ;)
WillsLim ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:30:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find it weird at all, that's probably how they stay rich. There are a lot of pro athletes out there that become homeless because they don't manage their expenses.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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WillsLim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's both really, they don't get an accountant to help them with spending.
elligirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your sarcasm radar is faulty. You should check it. :)
WillsLim ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:50:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, my bad stranger.
dhelfr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:45:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what's striking to me is the percentage of their income they're paying out for insurance vs the amount of time they spend reviewing and/or fussing over minor increases.
For example, as a multi-thousandaire, if my cable bill changes by $7 or $8 dollars a month I'm probably not going to worry too much. If it changes by 20-30 then they'll most likely get a call.
It's more the absurdity that someone whose time is far more valuable than the slight increase in cost will be is willing to spend many valuable hours discussing/fighting/whining over what to them is way less than what $7-$8 is to me.
elligirl ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:47:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the rate of return is much, much lower for the wealthy. However, every single wealthy (million or more in the bank) person I know is like this. They shop around for the cheapest and best deals, they watch their bills carefully, and they keep a close watch on investments. Then they have spare-no-expense Christmas parties for their offices and friends... so I guess it works out?
Yep. I'm definitely not saying it's a bad thing either. It's just counterintuitive to what my assumption would've been back before I knew rich people.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so I guess it works out
It does, I save about ten thousand dollars a year by being just a little frugal, I could probably save even more if i was absolutely anal about it. That works out to an extra million dollars of wealth i will accumulate over my life.
elligirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are making more money: then this makes sense.
Often, these folks are not hourly and use "down time" to deal with such things... They are not making money at the time and therefore call and getting a recovery of ~$100 (from your example). It should also be noted that a $100 saved is really $150 earned because taxes.
So unless you are making more than $150/hr then it makes sense to discussing/fighting/whining.
It is also how you get rich...every dollar over 20+ years and occasional investments in real estate will get you rich, almost always. It's just not a fun, fulfilling or desirable way to get rich. It is just a very reliable way to get rich.
Sure but $7/month for an annual contract is $84. If I'm getting exactly the same product for $80 more, I'm going to call about it. Often there is someone willing to offer me equal coverage for less than that, and it'll only cost me maybe an hour of time I might have spent watching tv or browsing the Internet.
It's more the absurdity that someone whose time is far more valuable than the slight increase in cost will be is willing to spend many valuable hours discussing/fighting/whining over what to them is way less than what $7-$8 is to me.
And that's exactly it.
Why is someone whose time is worth upwards of $1000 an hour arguing for 30 minutes over something that might cost him $500 over the next decade? Seems idiotic.
I guess the flaw there is that you're assuming they'd spend that hour or two doing something productive which may not necessarily be true.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not always true. I work with somebody at my measly paying job who used to make 6 figures, has no debt, and a few vehicles, and can afford to have his kid go to private school. Yet today he gave me crap for spending an extra 15 minutes at work at the end of the day, as the clock claimed I took a 45 minute lunch instead of a 30 minute lunch, and he made a big deal out of how it's "only $2.50."
It's MY $2.50 and being awfully poor lately, that's 2 meals at the freakin' dollar store and some change.
elligirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he values his free time more than he values the hourly wage. That's not quite the same as keeping a close eye on expenses. He's seeing leaving on time to spend time doing something else as well worth losing $2.50. He may also spend that 15 minutes calling the cable company and talking to a manager to make sure his cable bill is the lowest it can be.
That's not weird. You expect rich people to be good with money (to some extent).
What's weird is buying a brand new BMW every year and complaining about a $23 insurance increase.
The only way that makes any sense is if he sells last year's BMW for more than he bought it for (due to it being driven by a celebrity). In which case, they aren't wasting money on cars.
Yes and no. Generally speaking, when it comes to personal policies (your home, auto, umbrella, etc) I have little to no discretion in pricing. I may be able to find an extra discount that was overlooked, or help trim some coverages to get the rate back down. These days I mostly do commercial insurance, and with that we do generally have the ability to add some credit, or at least go back to the carrier and ask for it from them.
I once heard Oprah tell in her show that when she goes to a flea market or something, she always bargains, even if it's for $5. And she doesn't do this for the fun of it, but because she just wants to get the right price, no matter how many millions she has.
Check out Thomas J Stanley's books. He was a professor who researched finance, specifically high-wealth Americans. He found that people who actually accumulate high levels of wealth are nearly always frugal.
They typically earn above the median income, but they live way, way, way below their means and make a priority of saving and investing. They don't buy fancy new cars, they don't own boats, they don't wear rolexes.
I see this with my in-laws as well. They are incredibly stingy. They get really upset if they can't get a special deal somewhere. They have a coupon or credit or something like that for every purchase they make. They buy most things as cheap as possible and will repair a device before they replace it.
Some of it is good practice but the way they seem to feel entitled to special deals everywhere is a little annoying.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My old boss (electrician company) buys cars in cash once a year as well, doesn't have any loans. Bought his multi-million dollar house with cash as well.
npepin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In a lot of personal finance books it talks about this sort of stuff a lot. People who tend to be wealthy tend to get there by being very careful with their money far far before they become wealthy. This habit doesn't really ever stop because this is just how they are.
From most people's point of view, if they have 10 million in the bank, they don't care if their premium increase $20. From one of these people's point of view, they've cared about their premium increasing any amount at all for the last 25 years.
This of course only applies to some portion of people, I'm not saying every wealthy person is like this. But I am also saying that wealth is very difficult to hold onto if you aren't really managing finances. It isn't uncommon for people who don't care about these little increases get to the point where with their lifestyle they are barely staying afloat.
There is a reason they are rich and knowing their finances front and back is one reason.
noiserr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I used to work for a TV repair service back in the 90s.. this involved picking up deliveries and drop offs of big screen TVs to customer houses and apartments.
I have picked up and delivered repaired TVs to multi million dollar mansions and to small apartments where the TV would take half the living room space (these were giant DLP TVs or CRTs before the era of flatscreens).
More often than not the most annoying customers were the rich folks living in multi million dollar homes usually.
We were generally always very careful when carrying TVs. Making sure we don't damage any furniture or house property while carrying giant TVs. But I always remember overly concerned rich folks with how we carried the TVs.
I remembered us being issued slip ons, when we had to bring a TV up a flight of wooden stairs, so our shoes wouldn't damage the stairs. Our shoes were clean.. I mean we work indoors 100% of time.
When it came to tips, the rich folks tipped the same amount as those who weren't so well off, actually if we got a good tip it was usually from someone living in a regular house.
I can see rich people getting screwed over in terms of money quite easily. Not amounts that would bankrupt them, but amounts they won't miss. Exactly why they'd be screwed over for that kind of money. Makes sense, kinda. But if you're that rich and still care about minute increases as though you're working minimum wage, well... That's a pretty pointless existence.
The_BenL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't grow to be wealthy without being involved with your money, and being careful with it.
I dont get those people. It seems pretty dumb that they would fight over a $23 dollar increase, but be fine with losing money on reselling their sons previous car each year (if they even resell them, if not thats even worse to complain over $23)
This is the exact opposite of what I experienced at Porsche Financial Services. Most of our customers didn't even know what a lease was even though they had a seven digit income. They'd have people call us for them to try and work out the end of term lease charges. Absolutely ridiculous. They'd be pissed when we told them they had to bring the car back to one of our dealerships and get another one or go their separate way. I hated that job.
Wealthy people draw the line in strange places with their money in my experience. They will not hesitate to splurge on new mansions, supercars, or designer clothing but will act shocked when they hear the price of certain everyday items such as organic produce, movie tickets, or craft beer.
Ghstfce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother-in-law is extremely wealthy. She has people that take care of her finances, pay her bills, etc. They're like family to us, they even bought my wife and me a convertible car seat for our baby shower.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cornerstone Broker? Or is Chubb doing that anymore?
Lostar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's so strange to me that wealthy people care about money that much. I don't make that much and I don't even watch my bank account, or how I spend. The insta-buy slider on Amazon has been an issue for me...
^ can back this up, similar story. #shitpostsforever
eairy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was a pilot and trained many self made millionaires who wanted to learn to fly. Some of them became friends. He said people like to hang around rich people thinking it'll help them get rich, but the rich don't get to be rich by being generous with money. They'll spend 2 hours arguing over 10p
Rob_1089 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense, and you can make an analogy to health. It's considered irresponsible to not manage your money and see how much is going in and out of your account (on a very basic level). Healthy people know exactly how much food is going in and out of their body. If you track your calories, then you'll never lose track of your weight and wonder why you're not losing weight or are fat. It's too bad people don't realise this, and are caught up with cutting out particular foods, or thinking exercise is the main thing.
A good friend of mine got rich during the dot.com bubble. His net worth was ~$100 million before age 30 (this was the '90s). He's the complete opposite of what you describe. He lived in a loft before people lived in lofts. It was a non-residential loft, so he had about 10 minutes of hot water in a makeshift shower. No appliances, no fridge, no kitchen. He'd park in the same no-parking zone every day (this was a non-residential area) and would get a parking ticket every time. His accountant would pay his tickets monthly. He eventually bought an amazing 4-story condo, but just put one mattress on the floor of the master bedroom, some futons in the other rooms, and had one $25K designer couch, a giant projector, and a foosball table. There was a fridge that contained only mustard or it was filled with Dom Perignon. Got a $200K Porsche that I've never seen him drive. We tried starting it once, but the battery was dead from sitting around for too long.
When we went out, everything was on him. If he got a $3 beer at some bar: here's $20 and keep the change. We'd go out to Chinatown or for Indian food after hours. He was never sure what to eat, so he'd order 10-15 dishes, 6-7 beverages and a glass of milk. He'd take one or two bites from the various dishes, a few sips of the drinks, and always finish the milk. Then he'd tip a minimum of 100%. On a typical night out, he'd max out the ATM withdrawal limit 2-3 times. We'd smoke weed and crash on his couch at 4-5 AM. He'd get up at noon and went to the office until 5.
He'd throw all his laundry, including sheets and towels, in a garbage bag and had his assistant dry clean them. Always wore an Armani suit, no tie, smoked a lot of weed and drank a lot of everything, didn't know how to boil water, and ate out for every meal. He eventually took cooking classes and decided to remodel the condo. Hired some designer who had everything customized. He moved to the hotel across the street while his place was being remodeled. It took a year. He's in the tech industry but actually wants to be an astrophysicist. Good times. I love that guy.
Perhaps it's not that wealthy people are meticulous with their money. It's that people who are meticulous with their money are the ones who get wealthy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw an interview once with a wealthy businessman (get a feeling it may have been Duncan Bannatyne) and he explained that this is how rich people stay rich.
The way he explained it, you could have the best idea in the world, but if you weren't money savvy, you'd never end up getting super rich. The reason a lot of rich people get rich and stay rich is that they know exactly where each and every one of their expenditures is going, and they are constantly ensuring that they're not losing money.
drwuzer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:16 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$23 here, $50 there, $10 somewhere else, it all adds up. If I just accepted small increases in all my bills every year, before you know it I'm out thousands of dollars I could have saved with a couple phone calls.
This seems admirable, but I don't believe it is. I'm guessing that's an increase of pennies in scale for the rest of the population, why worry about something so insignificant. Enjoy the blessings you have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't do great in school, and didn't have much of a desire to go to college. I worked low-paying jobs literally getting beat up by developmentally disabled folks back in my small hometown. After my wife left me I realized that I needed change, so I started applying for jobs in the nearest big city and found one that was willing to pay for insurance licensing. It was a great opportunity, and if it weren't for it I probably would have eventually given up, or (hopefully) gone back to college.
I'm able to support my family thanks to insurance, and I truly get to help people make sure they have enough coverage and explain how insurance works all day. I really enjoy it.
Training for an insurance license is really pretty cheap for anyone who reads this and might be looking for a change. Look up your state's requirements and costs at www.proschools.com
There are always tons of open positions in insurance, and gaining experience in different roles and with different companies is very highly sought after.
You don't get to the top of the most competitive real estate market without knowing exactly where your money goes and comes from.
Interesting to see how some habits are instilled into him. I recall the cracked article a few years ago where "old money" wealthy people literally don't understand how valuable $100 is and would give the bell hop a C-note for just running a bag up to the room.
I always thought it was the opposite... That "old money" managed their expenditures better than "new money." That's why a lot of famous athletes, other celebrities, etc. go broke within a few years.
I got the same thing with rich people calling in if they receive 8 cents of interest. They won't give it up because it's "the principle". Fuckin douche principle
That's what bothers me, how most of the general popular think that the 1%ers just throw around money, when in actuality they got there by saving, and being precise In their money spent and earned. It's all about playing in the margins.
They've threatened to take their insurance somewhere else over a $23 increase.
You say that like that's not an obscenely large increase. If we're talking monthly rates and car insurance that's completely insane and I would never deal with a company that tried to pull that again.
Even so, without any accidents or new vehicles the only justifiable change in a rate is a decrease. Why would I continue to do business with a company that rewards my loyalty with increased fees when other companies will lower it anually?
Either I had an accident which caused my rate to go up or I better get a very, very, very detailed explanation about the changes the company is going through and market factors that necessitate increased fees. It's not even about the money so much as it is the show of disrespect towards your customer. Loyalty means something and you don't return the favor by screwing them over.
As agents we don't even get explanations from companies as to why they are having a rate increase, we just get notification that they have filed for it with the insurance commissioner.
If you currently have a company that has actively given you rate decreases at each renewal please tell me the name. I must work for them immediately.
My first ever car insurance provider was Geico as they gave me a great rate on my old Eclipse. Something like $80-90 a month. It was pretty incredible, especially considering I was still under 20 at the time and rates are typically higher for that age group. I was with them for a year and when it came time to renew they tried to convince me that because my car was a sports coupe I would need to pay more, around $120 a month. This was obviously a pretty stupid tactic as the Eclipse didn't change what kind of car type it was with age and I had grown older which should have moved me to a lower bracket. I assume offering a decent rate to begin with is a tactic to rope people into business with you and then the rates are raised under the assumption the customer won't bother changing since they've already grown comfortable with you as a provider. Hell, they probably assume you won't even notice.
Anyway, that shit didn't fly with me so I shopped around until I was able to find liability coverage for ~$100 a month with Fred Loya. Still not as good as my original coverage but I've been with them for a year or two and I'm now only paying $80 / month. That being said, if I were making more money and valued my vehicle more they wouldn't be my first choice provider. I can't find the proper words to describe it but most of the agents around here don't seem official in the slightest, almost like they're working as an agent part time out of their home as opposed to actually being a professional in the field. Despite that, I can vouch that they've treated me like a customer and not like a a mark for grifting.
When I'm out of school and have a better career I'll opt for more expensive coverage from a more official provider, though anyone who tries something as shady as increasing coverage rates annually is obviously a sham and will be avoided.
Honestly, that makes the most sense to me. You don't become rich by giving your money away, you reign in tight control of your expenses and work hard to get the lowest rates and pay the cheapest. People call it being a cheapskate, I call it being money smart.
Can't attest to the gold coin swimming pools, but there's definitely some frugality!
macphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I briefly worked at an insurance agency, and while I'm sure the wealthy clients were careful about money in general, they were also perfectly happy to do favors for friends. The agent was old as dirt and was selling policies to elderly multimillionaire oil barons--the last people on earth who needed his shitty whole life insurance. But the clients would buy them because they went way, way back.
I wish I went way, way back with people besides the friends who decided to make mom's basement a studio apartment...
domonx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a paradox that appears in many people, not just the wealthy. They'll spend ridiculous amount on vanity items or things that really doesn't improve their life very much. But when it comes to essentials or very minor things that affect them daily, they nickle and dime everything. The same co-worker who just bought a 60k Mercedes is eating ramen for lunch. Or someone who spent 10k renovating their house, not because it's broken but because they want a new look, will only buy sugar by the cartloads when it's on sale for 99cent instead of the usual $1.50. I will never understand these people's logic and their inconsistency just annoy the hell out of me. There's a different between frugal and cheap, you're not being frugal by skipping lunch to save money and then blowing 200 bucks on a weekend, you're just too cheap to buy lunch cuz you wasted all your money on dumb shit.
I feel like you get me. Thank you. It's not being smart with money that's odd to me, it's the large purchases immediately followed by the time spent trying to decrease the premium amounts.
While threatening over 23 bucks seems annoying, I can kind of understand it. Look at it from their point of view, they don't have a crystal ball. 23 dollars now, no big deal. 6 months from now 20 increase. What's 20 bucks? Next year there's another 30 dollar increase. That's ok, every companies prices are increasing, it's the economy. Another 6 months another 30. Then all of a sudden it's been two years and you realize you're paying an extra 1236 dollars per year that you weren't before, what happened? Also, are they taking advantage of me because they know I'm rich?
So, nip it in the bud and say fuck you I'm going elsewhere. They drop the price, good. If not, I go elsewhere and hope it's at least 23 dollars cheaper.
I don't know, I know that's dramatic but I think it's not far fetched.
Hey, I'm on your side. As a producer I get 14% of the 12% commission that my agency gets... That's, for example, $16.80 in new business commission for me on a $1,000 policy.
The best part about being a broker is that I can then take a look and see if there are companies that have lower rates if you experience a rate increase, and we can fuck that insurance company together while maintaining eye contact if you'd like... Just don't be a dick to me, because the only real reward to my job is helping people who are nice.
Well, I was just commenting on why a rich person would make a fuss over a few bucks. Some companies namely banks, insurance and phone companies are always trying to rip you off, a small ghost charge at the time. I am not rich but the $20 a year don't hurt me either. But that charge to me means that I cannot trust you. Big companies should not behave like small time crooks.
I got that part of it, just wanted to throw in that your insurance agent isn't the one to be mad at. If a rate increase has made you call or come by the office you can bet there's hundreds more behind you upset about the same thing.
Ha. Even as a non-rich person, it's so awkward waiting for 6 cents back. I feel like people think I'm some kind of cheapskate. But then I'd also look silly saying, "keep it!" like I'm sooooo magnanimous leaving my six cents behind.
I check for a charity tin. If they have one I always tell them to add the change to it. If they don't it's going in my pocket for my change jar, which is technically a charity tin as well.
The Goodwill I go to will ask customers if they want to donate the amount of change they would have gotten so that they only have to pay a round number. I think more stores should do that, the money goes to a good cause and there's no need to fumble around with coins before and after the transaction.
Yeah but they still ask you to do this when using a card too.
soupz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The airline I fly with most often also ask this every time and it's online card payment. But I find it nice so I've done it before. Though I have to admit, I'd prefer different charities than the ones the airline has. But whatever, it's only a few cents and it goes to a good cause (and one that probably doesn't get much attention otherwise because after sooo many bookings, the last one two days ago, I still don't remember which charity it is or what it is for even though I read through it every single time... Can't be one that sounds too exciting).
Techsus7 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:20:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I hate when stores do this. I believe a lot of these "non-profit" charities are quite un-charitable except for the staff. People shouldn't feel guilted into donating anything to something they are not 100% aware of the organizations actions. I feel it's a cheap ploy to use social situations into gaining money, possibly for a good cause? I still feel it shouldn't happen that way.
I agree. Its so hard to know if it is going to a reputable charity at that point. I would maybe just find a way to give directly to a cause.
Techsus7 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:29:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. If you want to donate go ahead to the charity of your choice but don't make customers feel like the bad guy for not donating their change to something they may know nothing about. It makes it to hard for people to say no to something they know nothing about due to fear of judgment
It's not OK, would be OK for me to go and collect money for charity on a street corner, then use that money for my own personal tax relief? Without informing the people who were donating that this was my intention, to use their charitable donations to undercut my tax bill.
People should take it as a given that a business will try to reduce their outgoings by any means. That it's charitable is one of the nicer ways of doing so.
I'm not sure how or why this would bother you at all.
A customer leaves a donation for Charity X with a business, the business gets to write off some tax for the donation, nobody loses out at all, but the businessman gains.
The only thing that happens which wouldn't happen if you gave direct to the charity yourself is that the business is acting as admin for your funds and they get to benefit from being the middleman.
Is there such a backlash against all businesses nowadays that providing a helpful, charity-fund-boosting service and reaping the legal benefit for providing it is seen as tasteless? If you knew your donation was going to be used to lessen one of many bills a business has to pay, you'd stop giving to charity? Or go out of your way to pay to the charity yourself, just to be spiteful to a business lessening it's costs?
Because they are writing off tax that I paid, not them. If dominos or any other company wants to write off it's own philanthropy that's absolutely fine, but certainly not on the backs of unknowing customers donations, that should be their tax relief.
In the UK we have a thing (giftaid) where you can tick a box and put your name and the income tax you paid on that donation will be donated to the charity, so effectively another 20% goes to the charity on top of your donation. I'd want that to happen rather than the company getting the cut, and them recouping the tax I paid.
That sounds like a good idea, but wouldn't it make purchasing stuff clunky and bothersome?
I'd view the business getting a small benefit as removing that clunkiness. Unless the gift aid could be tied to a card or something. Maybe once contactless payment through phones really takes off?
grimm42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really can't use that to lower your taxes. The extra revenue they donate is of course tax free, but everything else is still taxed accordingly. They aren't profiting by taking donations(except good publicity or smth).
Of course you shouldn't donate without a receipt, so you can claim your donations on your taxes.
d4m4s74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a Panda Express near me, if I pay cash they ask if I want to donate the change to the children's hospital. If I pay with a card they ask if I'd like to donate a dollar.
That's still not necessarily a bad idea. Just remember that seemingly dumb things happen in business all the time, because they work. They probably wouldn't be doing it if it didn't bring anything to the table for them.
You don't need to use debit cards for EVERYTHING. I use cash to pay for stuff if it's under 10 or 20 dollars unless my wallet's empty, and I know a lot of people will use it for the drive throughs at fast food places or to pay bills at restaurants. Honestly it just feels more secure to me, given how much you hear about credit card readers being hacked and the numbers getting stolen. I know it's not common, but if it happened to a place where I didn't even top ten or fifteen dollars, I'd be pretty annoyed at myself for not just paying cash back then.
Save your change for a year and watch how much money you save. I used to that till one time me and my buddy stopped at a wawa (convenience store in the Philadelphia area) and he saw me do this. He told me to save my change for a year, ended up doing it... Had almost $300 in change at Christmas time. Sure helped with Christmas gifts
qwell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:05:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are some debit cards that let you automatically send any remainder of a whole dollar on every transaction to a savings account. If your total is $7.13 for example, it would put away $0.87. It's a pretty neat idea.
That's the best way to do it. Having an overage in a checkout drawer is just as bad as being short. It can be awkward for cashiers when people tell them to keep the change if it isn't a gratuity based transaction.
ythms2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:45:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love when people leave their change in the till, means when the next customer comes along and their order is 20.20 or whatever, I can just charge them 20, less hassle and keeps my regulars friendly.
It's not just as bad as being short. It's essentially extra money for the company but mainly it helps the cashier because they have a cushion against being short, and can help other customers who might need a few cents.
Hate to say it but it's better to keep your change and donate it yourself to your favorite charity, like Planned Parenthood. A lot of those stores charge the charity a fee which comes out of the donations. They can charge very large fees.
Not that it's the worst thing in the world. But you should just put them in your tin and donate if you that's wha thou like to do. Large companies with those jars use that money as part of their charitable contributions and receive a tax break for it. The money still goes to charity obviously, but I'd rather have that tax break!
4ssault ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm in a convenience store that has a donation jar and a take a penny, I take all the change from the take a penny and put it in the donation jar (my change goes on the donations also). Some of the clerks get pissed.
I'm so late.
approx- ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:20:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just toss it onto the ground in the parking lot. Figure that whoever wants to take the time to pick it up probably needs it more than I do.
1mikeg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:36:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless there's significant homeless in the area or an abundance of children looking for lucky pennies, then that change gets swept up and thrown away.
Fnorkian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I aim for puddles or extra dirty spots when I do that, or if I feel extra generous I look around for some dog poo to put it in. That way I ensure that only those that need it the most will pick up my pennies.
autorazr ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:47:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I worked in a deli as a kid, I'd pocket the change that bleeding hearts would leave for the charity jars, it ain't stealing if they don't actually put it in themselves, you make over a dollar a day like this, it's a no brainer.
Damn brah, you must be struggling to be worried about one dollar a day and stealing from charity. ๐ณ
ythms2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it if he's poor it's going to a better charity anyways, most charities only a couple of pennies from every dollar goes towards the actual cause, the majority just lines business people's pockets like any other company.
I hated when people would tell me to keep their change because it fucks up the till. I liked for my balance to be perfect at the end of the night.
[Edit] OK, for everyone who hasn't read my additional comments. This is in reference to an amusement park I worked at when I was 14 for minimum wage. If we were caught accepting tips, we were immediately fired. This included any change given to us. Thus, it was in my best interest to accept no change not only to not be fired for accepting tips but also to balance my till.
At my movie theater were not allowed tips so it goes in the till and then we end up over at the end of the night. Not saying people don't sneak them anyway, but we're not supposed to
Where I work, it goes into the "take a penny leave a penny" pan for when you're juuuuust short a couple cents and don't want to break a twenty. Alternatively, during the holidays, we have a code to round up the change and that gets donated to the charity the company supports that year.
It's not a tip, it didn't depend on your service. It's the equivalent to some random person waking down the street and handing you some change and saying keep it because if you didn't accept my "keep it" handed me the change that's literally what I'd do with it to the next person I'd see.
If I said that to my boss when I was younger I'd lose my job. What I ended up doing was putting it in the cancer fund donation box we had because I definitely wasn't gonna let the owner keep that money.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:52:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't do the actual donations, the customers do so he doesn't get to claim it on his taxes. Plus, he doesn't have a choice about putting it there, he's forced to by corporate policy. If he said he'd match the amount donated then he could claim it in his taxes.
Origonn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's only if he personally, or his store specifically matched it. If it was a generic 'McDonalds will match donations' then he can't write it off, the corporation would.
We had employee meetings occasionally and it was mentioned at one that he doesn't get anything from the donations (he being the franchise owner). So with that in mind I'd assume it's the corporation that gets the tax cut, but I don't mind that as the corporation was a good company and when I met the representatives they were always nice to me.
Sorry if my post wasn't clear; I feel as the person saying "keep it" that I'm not doing it as a tip. I'm doing it more as a "I don't want to deal with that shit". If you cannot accept it and there's no charity box, and I don't see someone else to pawn it off on I will probably leave it on the ground (assuming it's some place where a kid could pick it up and think it was the best day ever) or throw it in the trash.
Dolingen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:50:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at McDonald's, our franchise's owner would occasionally pay a secret customer to offer someone at drive thru a tip, and if they took it they got written up.
That's cute but not how this works. It's still going to be viewed as a tip by the manager which is all that matters.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:09:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
everyone by me calls the till a register or a p. o. s (point of sale). literally I only hear of till on reddit
Ris747 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:45:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the till and the register are two different things, at least they were when I worked in retail. The till is the little drawer with the money in it. The register is the machine itself. At least for me it was
I always thought of the till as the currency value inside the register.
Carlfest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd go further and say that the till is whatever is holding the cash. It could be the drawer in the register, it could be a zipped up bag before or after a shift. The cash register is the tangible machine. POS is an adjective describing the software or hardware.
I can understand the logic behind it. Many people just accept the change that they get from the cashier without looking, so it'd be too easy to be like "$14.62, out of a 20? Alright, $4.38 is your change, thanks have a good day!!!" especially if the person is really old or young and less likely to be able to do quick math.
Then they'd keep the extra dollar and make an extra $20 or whatever a day; if questioned about it, they'd be like "Oh, the customers let me keep a tip."
Same at my theatre, honestly I'll call people back to give them a nickel, don't fuck with my till! And my pockets are full of change already so if I take their change it just makes the clinking noise even more annoying, ffs people take your money.
iCwalzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I manage a movie theatre.. I set tips next to the register to use on future customers. Comes in handy when a kid is short 50 cents for their preferred candy choice.
Unless they tip me a fiver.... it may go missing when they tip a fiver.
I live in a small town, and tips don't happen often. I tell employees to set it next to the register when received. If their drawer is balanced at the end of the night I kindly ask them to clean the counter of debris.
At the last place that I worked at, we have a little box with spare change in it. If people told us to keep the change, we would just place them in the cash register.
At the end of the day, after counting the money, the excess goes into the little box. If we're missing out a few dollars/cents, we would just use the money from the little box. It's better than forking out the difference from our own pockets.
I have worked places that disapproved of your till being over just as much as if you were short. Basically being over or under just meant that you shouldn't be handling money
If it's consistently more or less than what should be you get audited eventually. The company sees it as ripping off the guest.
ktappe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you put it next to the till. Take a spare cup and label it "Leave a penny, take a penny" so customers can make change if they are 1 or 2 cents short. That makes everyone's lives easier and sticks by the rules.
Where I worked you weren't allowed to accept tips or you got fired. So no, I couldn't keep it, unless I wanted to lose my job over 4 cents. And yes, there were cameras everywhere and people legitimately got fired for this a lot.
Usually, they're written more like "you're absolutely not allowed to personally keep it". So for really small change, like six cents, you just put it beside the register and use it if someone is a couple pennies short.
The store wants to account for every penny that it should have, and a till being over is basically as bad as a till being under. I've worked in a store's cash office, and you learn to love the cashiers who are always accurate to the penny.
Most places would fire you for that because it is against policy. When I worked at Wal-Mart we were told if a customer ever tipped us or refused to take their change that we were supposed to turn the money into the office.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:12:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What do you think happens if you're working the cash register and your manager sees you slipping money into your pocket? You don't get the benefit of the doubt, I'll tell you that much.
But getting 6 cents from someone is a little insulting.
Also there were places that I've worked in the past that rhymes with Rick-Fil-A, that don't allow you to keep tips. They pay decently of course, for fast food, but you can get into trouble if the managers catch you pocketing change from the customer.
At least at the one I was a shift manager at.
thiosk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i wouldn't be insulted. free money. i pick up pennies off the street with zero shame.
However, if you work somewhere with a no tipping policy and do have regular customers who will want to tip you the Disney rule is a good one.
Say no at least twice with a polite "oh that's not necessary."
Say you aren't supposed to take tips. Never be to pushy or insult the customer by absolutely refusing to take it.
Typically at this point they will give up, throw the tip at you, or stuff it in your pocket for you. (Don't allow them to sexually harass you this way.)
When I worked at Disney, guests who came frequently would shove a 5 in my back pocket (Toon Town, so Jeans) and say "I know you aren't supposed to take this but I appreciate what you did." I would not get in trouble, and when I worked loss prevention I would not fire someone for the well-intentioned actions of a customer that did not affect my job.
When I worked at a theatre they had cameras behind the registers. They said, very specifically, that we would be fired if we ever took a tip because, ahem, "We pay you the minimum wage for non-tipped employees. If we wanted you to take tips, we would pay you less."
Elogotar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't take that advice if you want to avoid possible termination/jail time.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:15:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
come on man everyone knows to put a little change cup on the side. Then you can help out other customers so they don't have to break another dollar when its something like $3.02
We just keep it out of view of the customer, behind our giftcard sign.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I never really knew what to do with that when I worked as a cashier in Home Depot.
They allowed your till to be off a certain amount before being written up but it didn't matter if your till was off $X because you had too much money or were short. Whatever customers left really wasn't enough to cause too much of a problem but I still didn't want my till off if I could help it. Of course I couldn't stick that $0.02 in my pocket or else I would almost certainly lose my job. Do I leave it on the counter? Idk but can't you people just take your change?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly the same when I worked at Wal-Mart. It doesn't matter whether the till is over or under: if it's past 5$ it's considered as proof of incompetence. Please take your change if there are no ways to donate it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then you could just use that to round up for someone else
I was going to say, just start a penny jar. Those are great for bills of $2.03 or such, just pay it forward there, or someplace else. Very convenient and won't mess up the nightly count.
If someone tells me to keep their change I do. I toss it in my purse. Add it to my coins at home. When I get a full roll I'll deposit it into my bank. Profit is profit. And when you're already scraping the bottom of the barrel every little bit counts ;-)
Barold_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I chuck it into my drawer, then when someone is a bit short I can just tell them to not worry about. I also work for a local business so there's nobody freaking out at me because my drawer is over or under 50 cents.
They're telling you to keep it in your pocket as a tip or small bonus. Not for you to give your company extra money. Like I can't even conceive of why you would think that.
if your company doesn't allow tips, you tell people that you can't keep the change and give them their change.
i would always keep a running count in my head of how much change people had told me to keep over the course of the day, and i could always subtract from that fund if someone's total came to like $11.04 or something like that, so i don't have to give them 96 cents back when they give me $12. everyone wins!
rkugler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I did register, I would just put the change on the side. If someone was fumbling for exact change, a kid came and was just short, etc. I would just say I got it and use the leftover change.
I worked at McDonald's and the solution to that was those little donation boxes by each cash. We were told to just drop any change people didn't want in there.
muklan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A lot of places get suspicious if you are on the money every night fyi, at places I've managed the sweet spot was +/- $1.00
gurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fuck would that be? As a former manager, few things made my job easier than registers balancing out.
Really, who gets suspicious?
muklan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gas stations. 3 separate occasions, over the course of months of balancing perfect every night we found people stealing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally all you have to do is not put it in the till...
Put it in the jar at the back office, for the next cashier who's short.
Tsiyeria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would always take that change and leave it on top of the drawer. Then, if someone needed a penny or something, I could just say "Don't worry about it!" Kept me from having to shell out mondo change instead of a bill, and my till was always balanced. Always.
Nunuyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Save the change for when someone would otherwise get back, say, 99 cents.
Put it on the side and use it for the next person who needs a penny here or there. Take a penny leave a penny.
zsnesw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. Depends on the place. We always just kept a "change jar" for extras at the end of the night. We used it to balance the drawer back to an even number without the hassle of cracking open rolls from the safe. There was never more than a couple of bucks in it and no one wanted to steal mostly pennies and nickels.
An example of why I hated working at chains and corporate places. They discard the ability to deal with things on a case by case basis, and have to enact shitty "zero tolerance" policies on arbitrary things like a register being a small handful of change over. If your employee is over by less than a few dollars and they told you it was tips, just trust them ffs.
Just set it to the side if it bothers you that much. That way you can give it to someone who needs to break a 20 over 2 cents. Jesus Christ, this is why retail doesn't pay shit to cashiers.
I can't speak for most people, but I usually expect them to either pocket it or stick it in a tip jar if I tell the cashier to keep the change
5082050 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The local shop owner doesn't charge me for using my card because I often let them keep the change when using cash. Well I assume that's why, we've never spoke about it
Why put it in the till? I've had lots of retail jobs and just about all of them were okay with us keeping extra change like that on top of the register, and if someone was short a cent or two, or if their total was something like $14.01, you just put a penny in for the customer.
jsnforce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a common thing? I HATE pennies and always tell them to keep 'em.
It's for this very reason that I tell people when they refund me out of the till that they should also refund the sales tax. Not only because I'd like the extra twelve cents worth of tax that comes with a dollar refund, but because I know it'll screw up their balance when it comes time to do the night audit.
It makes me sound like a total cheapskate, when really I'm only mostly one.
Why is it awkward? Do you hate money? What's your cutoff amount for it to be not awkward anyway?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a cashier I love it when people tell me to keep the change, it can make the rest of my shift significantly easier with 6 cents
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of one of my more embarrassing moments that I only realized like, a decade later.
Girl borrowed 10 cents from me in middle school and I made a huge deal about getting it back (because it was just a way to interact with someone I wanted to be friends with ) and she finally slammed it on the table. Took me years to realize I was just being an asshole over chump change. Sorry, Brenna, I just wanted to be your friend.
I don't consider myself socially awkward or anything. But there's few experiences as socially weird as bringing up the lack of a five cent reusable bag discount.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend once said keep the change to a Jimmy Johns worker and she turned to her coworkers and went "wow I got a two cent tip! We are all rich!" and they gave us a dirty look so we took our sandwiches to go.
I always wait for my change now.
TylerC_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in Vegas, several cashiers asked if I wanted my change back!
I was like "...MY change? Yes." I live in Jersey
I only say "keep the change" at mom and pop restaurants/shops.
BisonBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything under a nickel I just tell the cashier to "drop the change" which they do into whatever cancer/sick kids awareness box on the counter or the take-a-penny tray
My workplace just has a dish on the counter that you can put your change in and if people don't have enough money for something we'll pay the difference with the dish money.
The way I figure it, waiting for your change keeps things flowing normally. I've worked in front of a register. When people change up the routine sometimes it takes a second to process the difference and react because you get into such a habit. Better to just take your change and be on your way imo
crielan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just walk away. At first I didn't like it because it rude but I asked a few cashiers andthey said that's fine. Usually when it's a penny or few cents they hesitateslightly to see if your going to want it and receipt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just walk away before the cashier has a chance to give me the change back
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is soo true
muffboxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work as a cashier and have people leave small amounts of change all the time. Trust me we don't care. In fact I just pocket it and usually end up with a dollar by the end of the day.
I just take it like a whipped dog, and shove it in my wallet, and dump it in a jar when i get home... now that jar weighs a good 30 lbs... i think i have a couple hundred dollars saved from doing that
Trust me, you save some cashiers a lot of time saying to keep it. I love when people say that to me since the change is between 1 to 6 cents where I work at. Sometimes I'll run out of pennies/nickels during my shift and have to take some out of the safe, which can be a bitch if it's busy. But people telling me to keep the change kind of evens it out and I won't have to go into the safe and hold up the line lol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandma used to tell me how precious pennies were during The Great Depression. She told me to never ever take a single penny for granted because when she was a little girl it could be the difference between eating or going to bed hungry. "A penny saved is a penny earned" was a mantra I heard hundreds of times growing up, and it stuck. I can't walk by a penny on the sidewalk without picking it up & putting it in my pocket -- not because I'm afraid of going hungry, but because over the years I've learned that my grandma's wisdom was real and true and worth heeding for all my life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not losing anything, I'm waiting for my change and making a lighthearted comment on a website about one of life's awkward moments. You sound so scoldy. It's not that serious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh... I keep it, and use it to pay in exact change when I can. If something is $1.06 and I have the 6 cents it feels like I've saved a dollar because I only had to hand over one bill instead of two. I just don't enjoy that moment of waiting.
I just take the change and move on because that's what we are supposed to with with change. Also, it's not like they are allowed to keep anything we leave behind.
deh707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cents you may have a sixth sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or you could do whatever you want and not worry about what other people will think of you
bboydrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single business should have take a penny leave a penny for this. I always try to make sure the next person who's Bill comes to $10.03 or some shit doesn't need to get 97 cents on change.
Fuck what people think, buddy. If you want your 6 cents, take it! If you want to give it up because you can't be bothered, say you don't want it. Their conceptions of your person isn't your concern.
Personally, I have a change jar at home. And when I cash this load in, I'm gonna be a rich man. A RICH MAN. And I don't care if getting to that point spills some blood or ego along the way.
I used to work retail and I'd keep a mental note of how much over my till was so if someone came up short to pay for something it wasn't that big of a deal, any remaining overage at the end of the day went into the St. Jude's donation.
Just to clarify, I am not a mathematician, I worked at a dollar store so I wasn't dealing with a lot of cash.
I don't think anyone thinks people waiting for their own fucking money are cheap.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking noobs. Give them your cash. Grab your shit. Say thank you and be on your way. If they mention a receipt say you don't need it and keep walking.
Peelboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IDGAF Get your change I have saved 2300$ in change over the last 3 years. It's all just sitting in a couple 5 gallon water jugs.
One time a waitress didn't bring me my change, 40 cents or so. I figured that made a good tip on my $20 meal. Which sucks for her since I usually leave tips on the high end.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like many of you haven't worked retail or did it wrong or had a really crappy boss. In my experience, being even a few cents under the records in the cash register was nerve wracking for me as it made me think I was making mistakes. Being over was good. Let them keep the change so the few times they gave out too much change doesn't ruin their day!
I saw "don't worry about the penny", doesn't make it sound like I'm giving them an insulting 1p tip then
no-mad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you have the douchebag stores that ask you to donate the change. Fuck off . Dont spare-change me. I am sure it goes to the regional mangers boat payments.
I remember buying lunch once. The total was $4.98. I paid with a $5. Then I stood there waiting. The cashier looked up, saw I was still there, was kind of weirded out and asked "what, do you want your two cents??" I was like yeah boy those are my two cents hand em over.
Then another time I was a cashier and a (rather rude) lady was paying by cash, digging through her wallet and all trying to find coins. She was two cents short so I just stood there smiling politely and let her know she was a little short. She full on scowled at me and asked if I really needed a couple of pennies. I was like yeah girl I don't run this business I can't give you a two cent discount just cause you're too lazy to look for more change now hand em over.
I once had a girl give me all 76 cents in change because she didn't like carrying change after she paid in cash. Seems odd to turn down almost a full dollar
zapbark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to play a game while waiting for the train called "hide my loose change in obscure spots in the station and see if it is still there tomorrow."
Zme1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i just feel like if im standing in line counting my change and waiting for a few cents back im just holding up the line and annoying people, that's why everywhere i can ill use my card/paywave as to keep the line moving asap and appreciate when people in front of me do the same.
I usually just throw it on the ground immediately when they hand it to me and then turn and walk away. That way I don't have to deal with it and if anyone else wants it they're more than welcome to it. Win win.
I work at a fast food place with a drive thru, no, I don't think it's weird you want your 6 cents back. It's you're 6 cents after all. And it's my job to give it to you. I just feel weird when I forget to grab your change out of the cash drawer (because I'm a dumb fuck sometimes).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word of advice: Us cashiers actually like being told to keep small change. Why? Because when another customer comes along and their total comes to $11.01 and they don't have any loose change and hand you a twenty, we can use that penny you gave us for them. So instead of having to give them 8 dollars and 99 cents, we can just give them 9 bucks. And they won't take all of our goddamn change.
Flarp_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sincerely believe people aren't this observant or judgmental.
JQbd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on where it is of course, could you imagine if everyone said "keep the change" and the change is 6 cents for everyone? Depending on the amount of people, that change adds up to a lot of profit.
I tell them to keep it because it just ends up annoying me having it jangling in my pocket, and I never need a few cents because you can't buy shit with them plus everywhere here accepts cards. It's like getting buttons in change or something.
comperr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:10 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i usually say something to the tune of "leave the pennies", or i manually put the pennies i receive into the little jar for children in africa or whatever they have.
act5312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:35 on December 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't wait for it if it's a couple cents. Thank the cashier and maybe say I don't need a receipt if it's like Starbucks or whatever before I step aside.
Seriously. Makes we wonder if he's really not that rich.
edit: Purely anecdotal, but the only people I know who really care about change are my poor friends.
xproofx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:27:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest here, he may be a billionaire, but even if you had Bill Gates money x 1000 you would not be able to afford not getting change back from movie theater concessions.
I just think it's weird that rich people would carry change.
xigdit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly, Trump is a germophobe. If that's the case, he probably pays in exact change so he doesn't have to come in contact with nasty, contaminated bills and coins.
Naw, I think he's just smart with his money and is very aware of what he's paying. Why not pay in exact change when you have the chance? I do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly rarely pay in cash. I'm smart with my finances, so I pay with credit to get points and I never have to worry about someone taking r change. Carrying coins is just so annoying.
I suppose I would consider paying in cash if we abolished the penny, nickel and dime, as I honestly don't care about this denominations. Keep the quarter though because they're useful for parking, tolls and passing time at restaurants (see who can get the quarter to be partially off the table without falling).
That's not how I was reading it. When I worked retail I wouldn't call what you're describing "paying in exact change". Paying exact change, to me, would mean there was no change to give him back because he gave the cashier the exact amount for the purchase.
Yeah, he does that because people stopped giving him change. i.e. he would buy something that was $5.37, give them $10, and not receive his $4.63 back. So he started paying exactly $5.37 to avoid that situation. Or at least that's my 5min theory.
Yeah that's the only way I know of to interpret "exact change." It means you pay exactly what the item/service costs, as opposed to paying over and receiving change. I feel like that is what the person's saying, I think it was just misinterpreted. I kinda just think the image of Donald Trump carrying change in his pockets is a little silly. You think he'd use a card.
eastc057 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paying in exact change means if something is $3.47 you pay with change that equals that exact amount. It doesn't mean you don't ask for change back IME.
I get that, I love it when I have exact change. But DT prides himself on being such a great business man, who if he worth as much as he says he is, makes more in ten minutes then most Americans will make in a year. I don't see how he can find it economically feasible to even care about something so seemingly small.
wyvernwy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it hard to imagine a person who is at or above the level of "comfortable", using cash at all. But I also have trouble imagining any billionaire handling cash. I have a friend who once had to deal with members of the Saudi royal family, for rather mundane reasons. There was one person who insisted on doing her own transaction business but it was obvious that she had zero exposure to the experience. I expect someone like Trump to be a bit like that so it's comforting to hear that he understands the function of money at the micro transaction scale.
Apparently he is a germaphobe, so he pays in exact change so he doesn't get any money back.
evan938 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people don't get rich by giving away their money. I learned this doing pizza delivery for a few years. Tips are usually better at apartment complexes than they are in the 500k-1m+ houses.
Some pap took a photo of the backseat of Simon Cowell's Rolls Royce Phantom (ยฃ300k+ car) and pointed out the old Evian bottle filled with squash and the Subway discount coupons. Cowell is worth well north of ยฃ350m.
My oldest friend's dad used to run an insurance company and had a remuneration package of roughly ยฃ500k a year. At one point he was driving a 15 year old Audi.
Noah-R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that rich folk are so rich they can afford to throw around change all willy nilly. They're rich because they don't throw around change all willy nilly.
sharco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think its pretty clear at this point that trump does not like change ..
Last night at the McDonald's drive-thru the cashier said to me "Your change is only 14 cents, do you want it?" I was so taken aback; it never occurred to me that I could not want my change. After a long, ponderous pause, I just told her to put it in the Ronald McDonald House box.
Cainga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pay with a card. Always exact change. Never fumbling around looking for coins. Takes less time too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I played runescape I calculated the expected rate of profit for picking up gold off the ground. It turned out it had to be at least ~1000 gold to be worth the time to pick up, without taking into account the tedium of picking up tons of little piles of gold. So I just left them most of the time.
Now my dad... he would go running around picking up 5...10...50gp piles and banking a whopping 2-3K on his combat runs. We were both high level so I had explained to him multiple times how terrible of an income that is but he kept doing it and always had this self righteous look on his face like he was some master money manager.
TL;DR No Loche Ness monsters sorry!
drteq ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not rich and I usually don't want my change back.
Ace1999 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised he paid at all - half expected that he would give you an autograph instead and call it even.
MBTHVSK ยท 1729 points ยท Posted at 16:26:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he doesn't drink alcohol. Maybe he just slurps fancy fruity sugary mixtures.
Tsquare43 ยท 3428 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't drink because his brother Fred died from Alcoholism.
[deleted] ยท 1604 points ยท Posted at 17:08:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's very sad to hear. I've dealed with extended family members who were alcoholics and while I don't like trump I wouldn't wish it on anyone and I'm sorry he had to go through that.
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[deleted] ยท 850 points ยท Posted at 17:54:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what killed my old man. A case of beer a day for 30 years. Autopsy showed no alcohol in his system. He finally tried to kick it and it caused a major heart attack.
Thank you for the kind words, folks. But, truth be told, due to the nature of the situation, I hadn't associated with him for the last 10 years of his life. We were not close, at all. That being said, I'm eternally grateful that I got to sit with him and tell him that I love him and I forgive him shortly before the news came. It was closure that really helped me stay strong through it all.
When my dad got sick (partly from too much booze) his oldest friend, Basil, came to visit and he stayed at my place. Baz told me about his dad passing and that he didn't get a chance to tell the old man he loved him. He insisted I'd forever regret it. "Say those three words or you WILL regret it".
This was not the sort of relationship my dad and I had. Nonetheless the next day I swallowed my embarrassment and told him 'I love you, Dad.'
It was...awkward to say the least.
Now, 16 years later I know it was- hands down- the best advice I have ever gotten in my life.
He drank a minimum of 24 beers a day. I witnessed him drink cologne,listerine,rubbing alcohol,etc.He was terribly addicted to alcohol. Fun fact: the rubbing alcohol briefly stopped his heart. That was a great 911 call as he woke up and immediately raged that I called the fuzz.
Same thing happened with my mom. She was a vodka drinker though, tried to quit and had a bad seizure. Fucking sucks.
Just read your other comment, was also estranged from her. Getting the phone call from her parents that she was in a coma in the hospital really sucked. I'm happy that you got closure, I was less fortunate.
I'm sorry to hear that. Sometimes life just sucks. My younger brother, similar to you, did not get that luxury. In fact, the last conversation my brother had with my father ended with my father calling him a "worthless piece of shit". I know it hurts him deeply, as he is now self medicating with alcohol and taking the same path my father chose. As I said, sometimes life is just a bitch.
Stories like this are why I'm glad I was able to quit almost six months ago after 2-3 years of near daily drinking.
Alcoholism sucks to deal with, sad to hear about Fred Trump. It devastated Donald and is the reason he doesn't drink or use any kind of substances, even cigs.
Holy fucking shit, good for you for finding the motivation to quit.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:54:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends what you call a case. 12 beer a day is a lot more than normal people drink, but it's not a lot for an alcoholic. I'm surprised it was enough that going cold turkey killed him.
Stateside, a case is 24. We've got a four pack, six pack, twelve pack, case, or thirty. Depending on the brand there are also 18's, but they're not carried everywhere. Past the twelve ounce cans that aren't sold singularly we have 16's, tallboys, and 32's. Some people call 16's tallboys, but they're not right in the head. We even have micro size beers now in like an 8 ounce.
You can get varying amounts of cans and sizes. My pisswater comes in odd size/ratios, my two favorites being a six pack of 16's, and an eighteen of 16's. Then again, a pint of liquor here is 375ml where as a half pint is 200ml.
To be honest, I was always shocked as to how he seemed to never pee. If I drink one Coke I pee like 4 times. He drank constantly and took very few bathroom trips. Like, his ducking bladder and kidneys ceased functioning or something.
restepo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the same boat. I can only assume that my body is so dehydrated that it is trying to absorb any water from my alcohol intake. But yeah I drink a shit ton and pee twice a day
Piggybacking on this comment for a PSA. If you or someone you know is an alcoholic, DO NOT QUIT/LET THEM QUIT COLD TURKEY. It seems like a good idea to so many people when they finally hit that breaking point and want to clean up, but it can literally kill you. Go to your doctor and tell them your situation. They can tell you the proper, safe steps to take.
This is very true. Many people don't realize how dangerous alcoholism is. Few other drugs can cause death from withdrawals. Nasty business, alcoholism.
Old co-worker from new York would probably have been what you considered a high functioning alcoholic, drank every day, I remember hanging out with him and watching him down half a bottle of blue label over the course of an evening and seeming perfectly normal, maybe slurring a little bit, and I could tell he wasn't sober, but far from rambling drunk.
Dude was a genius, makes great money, doesn't have family issues and was in a great long term relationship. Well his girlfriend ended up getting pregnant so he decided to stop drinking, quit cold turkey and almost died. I think his house cleaner found him passed out shaking (I guess seizures are common), lucky she found him or he probably would have died. ended up getting to the hospital and got the proper supervision to taper off, I think they had him still drink and take benzos.
Never went to rehab and hasn't had a drink in over three years, doesn't attend meetings or anything and says he literally doens't think about drinking. I know there's different definitions of alcoholics, but it in no means just controlled his life. In his words he said it just made everything more fun and he was bored.
I think that's what can be so dangerous about it, that unlike a hard drug where you think about it all the time, to a lot of people drinking is just habitual and socially acceptable. You build up a tolerance and have to drink more and more, yet it's readily available. Something happens and you say "as shit, cant be drinking anymore, might as well just stop all together", and a lot of people probably can, but it can be pretty bad.
Doctor friend of mine said he would probably recommend you trying to cut out all hard liquor first, just drink beer and then change things about your lifestyle and force yourself to drink less over time. For really bad cases (like drinking a bottle a day and being drunk 24/7) he says most people need to be supervised and you tapper off with benzos.
Remember, its a journey not a destination. As cliche as it is, take it one day at a time. Accept help from those that love you. Don't feel like you can't tell your friends and family "its a rough day for me". Let them encourage you. When my son was born I quit smoking. What worked for me was to personify cigarretes as a person that I hated. I was like, fuck cigaretes, all they do is drain my money and make me feel like shit. Dunno if any of that helps, but my new hatred for cigarretes has gotten me to 5 yeqrs without a smoke. One day at a time ๐
Stickel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same thing happened to a girl my age (late 20s) in my small town, she was a heavy daily drinker and she tried quitting cold turkey and died from withdrawal :-(
It's never too late to seek help,friend. You're a complete stranger to me and I'm sitting here crying for you. Don't be ashamed to get help, there are people who love you. Life gets better, I promise. I've been through addiction and can promise you that it does get easier.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the support. I've drastically cut down on my alcohol consumption over the past two years. But I still feel like my heart wants to spaz out when I get heated over something. I'm going to miss seeing my children in their 40s', but that seems better than dementia.
addiction is something i struggled with as a young adult. i just couldnt stop. shit go so bad that i just drank to forget, and then id drink to forget what i had done when i couldnt remember doing anything. i drank a handle a day by 22. ive been sober almost 5 years now. i have faith that you can do it, for yourself and your family.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Hu5k3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you afford to drink so much? Seriously. I am not acquainted with the exact cost of alcohol these days, but it seems expensive when I see it in the store.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... what do you do with your paycheck that I don't know the amount of?
What does humor have to do with anything? I just wanted to refer you there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are not familiar with the costs of alcohol, consider yourself lucky. Don't pay any mind to it either.
Hu5k3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to drink a lot of beer when I was in the service, but it was overseas and it wasn't expensive. And I was unmarried, so I only had to pay my own way.
Please don't think I'm judging in anyway. I don't drink anymore, and I often wonder how people afford it - it seems terribly expensive. That's all - just a question which has passed through my melon a number of times.
Severe alcoholism. As soon as he would wake in the morning he would have to use both hands to guzzle a beer to stop the tremors. Abstaining during sleep was enough to kick in his withdrawals.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad has been an alcoholic all his life and obviously for all my life that's what I've witness as a father figure and has shaped what my reality is for a dad.
Man of man did I always wish for the dad who wanted to play ball with me or somehow be involved in my life. Unfortunately, I drew the dad who says, "have fun playing, I'll be at the bar".
It's one thing to drink yourself to death but when you have a wife and kids who look to you for guidance and "how to be a man". It's fucking beyond me.
One good thing did come out of it all. I have a solid view on what NOT to be. And I thank you for that Dan. I hope you have an extra one for me tonight yah selfish prick.
Good on you for learning from the situation. Breaking the cycle is true strength. Be there for your family and remember that his bullshit made you a better father. One bright side, we get to save money on Father's Day unlike all those other schmucks with good dadsneverbitter
It's ok, I learned what not to become from the situation. My shitty childhood makes me be a better father. I wouldn't be the man I am today had I not walked through Hell.
Old Milwalkee or Milwalkees Best is what my father drank, as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds exactly like my old man. He died in 2009 at 56, not old at all. Although we stayed in touch right up until he died he wasn't the same person in the end, a shell of his former self.
It had completely consumed him. I hoped so badly he would be able to stop if not for me but, for my own kids.
I still miss him a lot but, I don't miss seeing what he had become during the end of his life, it's sad to see the man you grew up looking up your whole life to in such a terrible state.
You can't just cold turkey or attempt to quit alcohol on your own. The withdrawal is quite fearsome. For those attempting to quit drinking after years and years of dependence, please seek medical advice to help you, or else you might die
Funny thing is benzos like Valium are used to treat or prevent alcohol withdrawals in some cases. Sedative hypnotics are fucked, yo. I do love a good beer though.
Benzos will straight up destroy you. Faster than alcohol.
I had access to pharmaceutical grade benzos for about 3 years in my early 20's as a lab instructor in a Uni (they were used in a bunch of labs for the pharma students).
I now have a drinking problem, but Jesus fucking Christ, the withdrawal from the benzos was fucking horriffic.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:23:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man fuck benzos. I had access to the pure powder form of several benzos for the last 2 years and it only takes one dosage fuckup before you come too in the ER finding out you drove completely through a telephone pole, lost your job, and completely pissed your family and friends off all in a matter of hours.
Not to mention the WDs that last for 6 months some times.
I've read horror stories of blackouts from bars a bunch. I'm curious about trying them, but the margin for error being so small and the lack of reputable dealers around is making me wait.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:51:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Although benzos are essentially alcohol in pill form. That's why drinking and abusing them is so deadly
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:07:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually they're pretty different. The only similarities are their potentially fatal withdrawal and depressant effects. They work on completely different receptors (Except GABA - hence the calming effects and potential cross-tolerance) which is why Benzos can cause dissociation and retrograde amnesia far worse than ethanol.
True, the amnesia for both alcohol and benzodiazepines has to do with essentially shutting down the flow of information to the hippocampus and benzodiazepines do a much more efficient job of that. Alcohol blackouts are actually events where so much alcohol has been consumed that the hippocampus is essentially shut off and thus events are not recorded to memory.
They're not that different. They're definitely different, but they're fairly similar. They don't work on the same GABA receptors either. I think they work on B and alcohol works on A, idk I forget.
They both primarily work on GABA-A. They are both very similar and can even share a cross-tolerance. Alcohol primarily works on GABA, but also has effect on dopamine, serotonin, NMDA and some others.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, TIL
carlinone ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:26:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been addicted to both. The funny thing is, it happened because I have really bad anxiety. Self-medicating, really. But during withdrawal, you realize "Wow, this wasn't worth it. This is far worse than what I felt in the first place." It's hard to explain to people, they always assume you were just out for fun and were being careless.
I just last week finally got over the last of the withdrawal from benzos after being prescribed them for years - withdrawal went on for like 6 weeks...the first several weeks I was essentially nonfunctional. It was BAD. After going through that, I will never touch benzos again. And weirdly enough, my anxiety isn't bad at all now.
legumey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:12:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once missed my dose of klonopin for three days. Everything was fine (since klonopin lasts long in the system) until the last night. The only way I can describe it was that I was absolutely sure I was going to die. This is what death feels like.
Best of luck to you, seriously. I went through that too--it does get better, and you'll be tougher for it. I got a little off-topic here, didn't mean to.
If you're a person with high anxiety it can be quite the experience the first time you get drunk and realize a) the extent of the anxiety you walk around with every day and b) what it feels like (amazing!) to not feel anxiety for once!
Almost everyone I've ever known who got addicted to anything started because they were self medicating for some (often perceived) personality flaw. People don't turn into junkies because they want to.
legumey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't hate on benzodiazepines. Just because some people abuse them doesn't mean they don't have therapeutic value.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:29:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have been prescribed Valium 2 times and both times I went through the entire weeks supply in about 2 days. Not for recreational purposes, but because they just don't seem to do anything to me at low dosage. I told my doctor the first time, the second time he upped the strength to a level that he said would make me a stumbling mess if I went over the dosage, I took half the box again on the first night and got some mild relaxation, the second night I took the rest and nothing happened. There's now a note on my file to never prescribe benzos to me because apparently if I take enough to actually have an effect for any prolonged length of time, the withdrawal will most likely kill me.
...or move up to klonopin. If you don't feel klonopin nothing in the benzo family is going to work for you.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:10:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say they didn't, but that's a nice straw man you've made there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain this straw man analogy or whatever it is to me?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't take a stance on the issue, but he assumed my stance and argued against it. He built an argument that was easy to knock down like a straw man.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I understand now. Thanks I've just heard it used a few times recently and never had any clue what they were talking about because apparently I suck at context clues.
All he said was their withdrawals can kill you....which they can.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Currently withdrawaling from benzos..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How long were you taking and how long have you quit now? And stay quit btw.... had a friend go to the hospital with a cold, turned to pneumonia and his organs all shut down cause he had destroyed himself over the years with Xanax and whiskey.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:32 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2mg kpin for over 2years. First time I've ever finished my script early. Been a week now and I'm getting a refill today. I'm not ready to quit yet
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and GHB.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This and alchohol are almost one and the same, this is why benzo's are used to treat alchohol withdrawal, they have the same physical affect on the brain.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:12:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too true. My job I see alot of people coming offa different drugs, stuff like method and heroine they just get bitchy and dope sick for a few days but give them a week or 2 and they are straightened out. But alcohol really messes them up. Like one guy who demanded to talk to his brother that wasn't there and wanted to hug him mom before she left for work who died 10 years earlier
I went to rehab back in 2002. When I arrived I had alcohol in my system and they actually told me to go home and come back the next day 100% sober or they would give my spot to the next applicant. I almost died that night. I can remember trying to drink a glass of water and I shook so badly that I never got a drop down my throat. When morning came and I returned to the rehab it only took them a couple minutes to summon an ambulance. I should be dead. I will never forget that night as long as I live. It was worse than all my drinking added up together if that makes sense.
Rehabs are much smarter now. I was told on my initial screening call to make sure i was ready to test positive on a drug test when i came in or i would be turned away. I scored a 10 out of 12 (12 panel test) which i am still confused about a few of those. Haha.
Ha! Me too, I didn't test positive for my DOC because I had actually relapsed on other substances. They had to finagle a little to get insurance on board. They thought since I didn't test positive, I must not have a problem with it. They didn't test for subs....
As long as you decrease use slowly you're totally safe. You just need to give your body time to adjust to less alcohol. If you take away all alcohol from your body when it's used to having lots then it won't be able to adjust quick enough and you'll die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You doing all right, mate? There are people here who would be happy to listen if you need an ear.
I have some motivational problem, all the ears cant fix that. Its something that i just gotta tell myself to get up and do. But im getting better tho. Well i think i am. :) Thank you for the kind reply
MBTAHole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, alcohol and benzos. If you're planning on quitting either and you're a heavy user you absolutely should check into a detox so you can be medically monitored for the next 3-7 days. Almost all insurance will cover at least this part of your treatment.
It's really not that hard to taper off by yourself, as long as you have some. Just keep dropping how much you take by 1/4 every week or two. If you feel like you're in danger, take some more. Just make sure you know what signs to look for that you may need to take more.
MBTAHole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an ignorant comment that ignores almost every physical and psychological aspect of addiction and alcoholism.
If someone knew how to taper or moderate, they never would have become an addict. You sound just like my friend who swore he would never let it control him. Then he OD'd in a guy's bathroom and died.
You don't know what you're talking about. If you're actually trying to quit without going cold turkey you can taper. If they're going to a treatment facility they want to quit, it's not like they can't leave and get more drugs either, so long as they admitted themselves.
I always tell this story as a joke, but it can be serious as I later found out. So I had three good friends who studied abroad in Thialnd for two months over the summer. Pretty much drank non stop throughout the entire thing, not like "oh I've had a few beers every day and gone out a couple weekends over the last month", but full on hard liqor get drunk in the morning and switch to whiskey at 3pm. So their last few days they decide to travel around the country a bit and see all the touristy stuff outside the area they were in. One of them decided to stop drinking through this and started to get really sick, shakes, cold sweats, passing out and all that.
So they take him to a hospital or urgent care type place and the doctor told him he's likely going through alcohol withdrawal. His exact words were "you don't wan't to go through that shit here, it's will be hell and can be dangerous, just keep drinking until you get back to the states and go directly to your doctor". He actually wrote it on the discharge report, "keep drinking". They thought it was hilarious and posted it all over facebook and that.
Told the story to a doctor client of mine once and he got super serious and told me alcohol withdrawal is no fucking joke, if he was in the same situaiton with limited resources he probably would have given the same advice. It's often better to tapper off of it and if it's serious just stopping cold turkey can be deadly, he's seen a number of people die in the hospital from withdrawl, each one decided to quit cold turkey, or in a few cases I think it was homeless people who couldn't get access to liquor and ended up dying.
verbify ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:53 on December 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Death from heroin addiction is very unlikely, but it can occur as a result of seizures or respiratory complications. Withdrawal arising from high heroin doses can cause seizures. Having a seizure increases the risk of respiratory failure which can consequently cause death.
No, from withdrawal. So, take an alcoholic who has spent every day drunk for the last few years, have them stop drinking completely, there's some chance they'll die from it. It's not a hangover from drinking the night before, its from dependency on alcohol (and can kill, yes).
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, hangovers are generally from dehydration and some alcohol byproducts. Withdrawal is from physical dependence, your body is used to the depressive effects of alcohol, so when you don't have that constant depressive drug your heart and brain sometimes can't keep up, people die of heart attack and stroke from alcohol withdrawal as people experience a spike in blood pressure.
They were lol. A hangover is due to a combination of effects, mostly(?) dehydration, but definitely not withdrawal.
Alcohol withdrawal can kill you because of a sudden increase in neurotransmitters that the alcohol had suppressed, which can lead to seizures and other dangerous symptoms. But this suppression only occurs after long periods of heavy drinking and after tolerance is built upโlike in alcoholism.
Yes, that person was talking out of their ass. A hangover is mostly dehydration and the body recovering after being challenged to filter so much alcohol.
Even minor withdrawal symptoms are incomparable to a hangover. Flu like symptoms, hallucinations, the whole fucking lot.
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TLee21 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:02:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in college and I get seriously hounded by my two roommates since I rarely drink. It's not that I'm against it, I'm just on medication that definitely shouldn't be mixed with alcohol. I've explained this to them multiple times but they still pour me shots and act upset when I won't take them. I hate that people I know who drink always need to be around others who drink, they can't just enjoy my company otherwise.
It does get better as you get older. People don't like being drunk around sober people - it's not about you, it's really about them. They don't want to do anything embarrassing that you'll remember better than them. Eventually drinking becomes more of a social chill thing than a binge drinking situation and you'll find that people are more likely to commend you for not drinking or not mention it at all.
I had a photo of me go kind of viral recently of a before and after me drinking and getting sober.
Overall reddit was really positive and engaged about it. Once it hit Facebook all of the crazy negative stuff came out. Somepeople are just really uninformed about alcoholism.
Ebmoclas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you give me an example of the negative stuff? I'm trying to wrap my head around it and failing. Cheers!
I mean not going somewhere because they don't serve alcohol is a little much, how would you go out to eat otherwise? But if they only serve alcohol I could see the problem
Hey I hope you and your brother are in better places. As a recovering Heroin addict, alcohol is still the most sadistic drug out there. It kills so many more people than anything I've seen, including heroin. It's horrible.
You can't really make that comparison because more people drink alcohol then those who use heroin. If you're looking at percentages of those who use that die then that would be more comparable.
That's true. I think I meant to say that Heroin can kill in an instant, while alcohol usually takes many years, and losing everything you hold dear in the process. I'm not saying that heroin doesn't do that as well, I'm just making the comparison.
I don't know if it's because I'm in my mid-twenties, but when I tell people that I don't drink, they seem to assume it's because I'm a recovering alcoholic, and they look at me with sympathy.
I'm not an alcoholic though, I just don't like beer or wine, and it never seems appropriate to tell them I'd rather have a white russian.
I agree...ive done most every drug and used to be addicted to strong opiates like fentanyl and oxymorphone and high doses of benzos
But nothing is really addictive as alcohol...idk if its because its so easy to get, price to effect maybe cauae its cheap, the ambiance and atmosphere when you drink or just the effect but im easily an alcoholic now
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Jarrz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I mean, for heroin you're probably in the minority there, no?
Ebmoclas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they are in the minority. I've done some work with addicts and quitting heroin looks like something is trying to rip your soul out through your skin.
Jarrz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this guy makes it sound like quitting nail biting lol
He might have used methadone or tapered off. It's maybe not the best idea, but you can taper off without too much discomfort. You just have to be dedicated and careful.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a methadone clinic on Wednesdays were I worked. Some did really well with it and got clean, some still really struggled with the last push at the end. It beats the hell out of cold Turkey, but many people still find it deeply unpleasant.
Getting yourself to quit heroin might be tougher then alcohol, but the actual quitting and withdrawals themselves? No way. Alcohol and benzo withdrawals are brutal, and even dangerous.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with substitutes then heroin withdrawals can be massively tempered, but if untreated the withdrawal can also kill. Don't get me wrong, I am not talking down the effects of alcohol or bento withdrawal, I have seen plenty of all them. It is different case to case and the depth of the physical addiction.
No, heroin withdrawals will not kill anyone except for the exceptionally weak, such as children, old people, or those already weak due to another serious illness of some sort, and even then it's very rare. The only withdrawals that are universally dangerous are alcohol, benzo's, and barbiturates, at least as far as things that are used recreationally goes.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair the only patients going through withdrawals that were monitored in hospitals WERE the ones with additional medical histories, severely malnourished, on other drugs etc. So you have a good point.
Actually quitting them, probably not. Getting yourself to want to quit them, probably. It generally would be easier for one to want to stop using alcohol, but the withdrawals for it are brutal, arguably the worst withdrawals one could face.
Very habit forming. My dad was an alcoholic for as long as I could remember. Because of that I thought I'd never become that way after seeing it firsthand. But then years into my mid-20's the right set of circumstances came up and I abused alcohol for 3 and a half years on a daily basis.
I haven't had alcohol in about 24 days, I don't know that I'll stay this way or if I'll never drink again but it was a really difficult first step to take
The only reason it doesn't seem so is because it was one of the first drugs that was popularized across the world. We're so used to it being everywhere that we don't think about it as all that dangerous.
After i got out of the army i started drinking really hard. Like hiding pints of cheap vodka everywhere. I was so addicted that if i went about 6 hours without drinking i would break out in hives and start to itch really bad. I finally kicked the habit almost 2 years ago now. Funny thing, i was cleaning my car out the other day and went under the trunk mat, soare tire well and found an unopened bottle of vodka in there. Immediately dumped it out and threw it away. Felt really good to do that and called my wife and told her. She was proud but i could tell she was a little taken a back. She never really knew how bad it was because i was what they call a functioning alcoholic. My body is permanently changed from just a little over 2 years of hard drinking.
Pavotine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:28:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mum really started hitting the booze when she was in her late twenties. Ended up with moderate social drinking outwardly but behind the scenes she was sinking a litre of vodka a day. Coma and death at 42.
Alcohol is such a potent drug. I've long wished my mother was a pot smoker rather than a drinker but that's not really a huge part of our culture like drinking is. She probably still be here if that were the case.
ahfoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had several close friends die of alcohol poisoning or suicide due to alcoholism. It is surprisingly common. A step-cousin of mine went into a coma and subsequently died last year. He was a chronic alcoholic. Alcohol definitely does kill quite regularly.
Yep, the "habit forming" bit is especially true. The "habit" bit even helps with self-justification.
Its taken me a fair while to alter my (somewhat comical) "bottle of mead a day" habit ("but its a different one every day...").
It is taking me longer to kick the " go for a beer after work. And another beer. And another." habit. The three bars I cycle through all know my order the second I walk in...
Edit: I tell myself its how I "wind down" after shitty days at work, but that is basically every single day...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost a month sober here! Used to drink daily for...years.
My dad just died this June from alcoholism. I was literally walking into the hospital as he died. I'll never be able to get the image of him being this hideous yellow-green color with his eyes closed and his mouth slightly agape.
When one of my family members died. He was unconscious. The last thing he really tried to say was just faint moans of a mixture of pain and attempts to speak.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very similar story for me. Not with a brother, but a cousin that I am very close with, he's like a brother though. I contemplated taking a pic of him in a coma that I could show him when he was better. I thought it would have been a reminder for him to not go back to drinking. Three months out of the hospital and he is drinking again. Wish I would have taken the picture.
Tsquare43 ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 17:12:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've known people who drank heavily - its not a pretty thing
Sawses ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:55:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. My entire family except my mother's generation were alcoholics alllll the way up the line. I don't drink when I've had a bad day, or when I'm in anything but a good mood, just in case. I have the sort of personality that gets easily addicted to things, so...yeah, I try to keep potentially life-ruining substances off the table when I'm vulnerable.
My shrink once told me that he would rather have heroine or coke walk through his door each week. But he would die a happy man if he never has to treat another alcoholic.
Alcohol withdrawal is honestly really terrifying to witness. I've dealt with opiate and other kinds of drug withdrawal and alcohol is nasty and painful.
Funny fact about that: the meds normally given to help ease alcohol withdrawal (benzos) can also kill you through withdrawal. They're the only two classes of drugs that I've heard of that can do that.
I'm not sure why I found that funny.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't directly because of opiate withdrawal though. I bet there's a whole host of factors that affect that. I don't know the details, but physically - you can't die from it.
rahtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:38 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you don't directly die from a fire most of the time, it's usually smoke inhalation that kills you.
The withdrawal causes vomiting and diarrhea and if you don't have your fluids replaced, you'll probably die of dehydration and malnourishment.
I think we're agreeing here. Opiate withdrawal isn't the direct killer - in theory you survive if all the conditions are right. With alcohol or benzos if you've been abusing them for years and stop all of a sudden there isn't much that can save you (other than more alcohol/benzos).
Mom died when I was 6 from alcohol, my dad is 70 and hits the scotch at 10 every morning till he sleeps. Not a pretty sight, really makes it hard to live with him.
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:50:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone from Massachusetts, heroin is the devil and always will be
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before you do delete this I kinda want to say I'm proud of you. Like it's totally not my place to say this as some random fuck on the internet, but I've seen heroin just demolish so many people that I feel like I have to say this.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly tearing up a bit. If you ever want to rant or talk to someone that will guarantee anonymity and total lack of judgement just message me whenever. If not, I genuinely am rooting for you and I wish you the best in anything and everything you need.
Keep being a cool person, you never know when you might brighten someones day.-I really do appreciate it. Now in good ol' Reddit fashion, cheers mate :)
Mizhaboo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it true that with a single try you become addicted?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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supa74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure you had heard the evils of the drug beforehand, and personally, the thought of needles makes me fucking queasy. I'm just wondering what you were thinking when you went down that road. Was it purely peer pressure?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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supa74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, takes about a month or so of solid use to become physically addicted. The mental part can come with the first try, but it's rarer than you think. That being said, it is horribly addicting and life ruining.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Nicotine is way more addicting than opioids.
Personality is a key factor as well.
Nicotine comes closer to "one try and you're addicted".
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:17:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meth is terrible on its own you don't have to abuse it.
But alcohol can be a fun thing socially, it's just bad to see some people abuse it.
Shit....sometimes you don't physically see people who are alcoholics drink heavily. My uncle got out of rehab not that long ago and I swear I never saw him drink except for beer when he watched sports.
darkneo86 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of 'functioning' alcoholics are/were like that. I'd have, visibly, a couple drinks socially around people. Always had some hidden though. I would open one inside, around people, take a sip, set it down....but go out, smoke a cigarette, pound three more on the low, and go back to finish my first one.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh meth can be great I think. I haven't tried it, but I've read some reports of it and a friend did it. You can definitely have a good time on it, otherwise people wouldn't take it.
That's a feeling I am intimately familiar with. Used to take 60mg almost every day and drank a fuck ton of coffee.
RemixxMG ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a dirty drug associated with the lower class and destitute...if it didn't come with the health risks and potential for addiction it would be a great working mans drug. It's effects are comparable to any other powerful stimulant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Afaik, proper use doesn't have any health risks above other, less potent and strong amphetamines.
Poor working men though...
rahtin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's highly addictive in the short term, and that makes responsible use almost impossible. You get overcome with the urge to do more seconds after the high starts to wear off. And you develop a tolerance, so again, that reasonable dose isn't reasonable anymore, and you need to take more and more.
That said, methamphetamine is available with a prescription.
RemixxMG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is. Also known as "Adderall."
rahtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Desoxyn actually.
Adderall and Ritalin are close, but Desoxyn is literally 'methamphetamine hydrochloride'
Yeah, it's the cheapest and best stimulant you can get per dose. But if you abuse it, gg. It just has a lot of negative stigma to it, but, it's also prescribed as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 17 days clean and counting. Functional drinker with a big job, but my oh my it's quite the habit.
Feeling good now though, no drink and eating right and exercising for two and a half weeks - I decided to go all in and work hard at a radical lifestyle change so as to feel some pretty immediate benefit - so far so good, but a corporate trip to Vegas looms in a few weeks, gulp.
Stick to water with lime. Whisper it to the hostess, it will look like something else to anyone else in case you are with others and don't want to feel out of place.
How can I prevent my mom from drinking so heavily? I don't want her to end up like that. She knows she drinks too much but she's addicted. She doesn't want help and she's a sane person beside the drinking problem (...and smoking problem). I don't know what to do. She drinks like 5-6 33cl beers a day on average.
You don't need to clarify your level of support for the President-elect to say you wouldn't wish Alcoholism on anyone. In fact, that kind of implies that you think there might be people out there who don't feel bad about his tragedy because they hate him as a candidate.
Just saying it is sad that people are so concerned that their condolences for a man's tragedy might be construed as supporting the President-elect, and that supporting the President-elect is taboo enough to make them go out of their way to vocalize that they don't support him.
This isn't totally verified, but according to the Frontline documentary about Trump and Clinton, Trump and his father would bully and make fun of Fred because he wasn't as domineering and "alpha" as they were. This treatment supposedly contributed to his drinking problem. After Fred Jr's death, Donald and his father felt really bad about how much they would mock him. :(
Apparently Trump's father was pretty hard on Fred. He became an airline pilot, and his dad would say it wasn't a fitting career and he could have done a lot more with his life, which contributed to depression.
My Godmother's husband committed suicide as a result of his alcoholism. He was a very nice bloke but the years of substance abuse changed him until that was simply an act. The man inside was spiteful, and abusive.
One part of me wants to hate him for doing what he did to his family but I can't knowing that that wasn't who he really was.
I think alcoholism is the worst form of addiction because it's such a widespread and often accepted thing. I sometimes fear it's what will eventually take my dad and possibly even me.
Don't let it take you! It is poison! You never need to drink one more drop of it ever! Relieve yourself!
The social "normalization" of consuming that toxin is PATHOLOGICAL! It's like society itself suffers from the denial of addiction to it. You can excuse yourself, though, if you choose.
I am on mobile so I can't queue it up to the proper time but I found this really informative when I watched it prior to the election. This portion specifically from 26:10 to 28:04 is about Donald and his brother and his brothers fight with alcoholism which was most likely brought on by the treatment from his father and brother.
Nixie9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had an aunt who was an alcoholic, she died when her daughter was 6 or 7, I'm really glad that she doesn't remember her mum cause at that point I don't think any of the memories would be good.
Why the fuck you talking about me. Now let me get that loose change. It's beer 30 ๐บ
lyajen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad has been in the hospital twice because he's an alcoholic. It gave him an ulcer, and he was sleeping all of the time. I don't know what would have happened if my mom hadnt called an ambulance the day she did
wimism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He and his father bullied his brother mercilessly because he didn't share their winner/loser mentality and he didn't want to go into the real estate business. It's widely speculated that this was one of the reasons for his alcoholism, so I wouldn't feel too bad for the Donald if I were you.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but it sounds like Donald had zero compassion and was a contributing factor.
Bayerrc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The bastard cut freddy's children out of fred's will and even cut out the medical costs for his sick nephew. No one deserves to lose their brother to alcohol, but Trump doesn't deserve any sympathy either.
Trunp was going to cover the kid's medical costs out of kindness. He changed his mind after the parents sued him to get inheritance money.
Bayerrc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I would say kindness. He withdrew his offer to cover medical expenses for his nephew that turned into cerebral palsy, because his brothers family sued him. They sued because Donald helped draft his father's will while his father had dementia, and he cut freddy's children out of the will. He has explained that he withdrew his offer to pay for the boys healthcare because he was mad about being sued.
They were cut out because Fred Jr and his father had never got on.
Bayerrc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:57 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Fred Jr was most likely hated by his father. None of us know exactly how much influence Donald had on the will, I'm guessing a man like Fred trump didn't let anyone tell him what to do with his money. Still, Donald helped draft the will, freddy's children were completely left out, and when they sued Donald about it he decided to withdraw his offer to help their sick child as a retaliation towards his own family members.
And his kids are out of the will if they drink either.
iwannaart ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:48:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
hatessw ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 21:23:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's an abundance of sources that claim his children are strongly encouraged not to drink and not to smoke, and may even be kept away from wild parties.
I couldn't find a source that said they would be removed from the will if they do. I'm not who you responded to though.
That... is actually really admirable of him. I mean, his kids should be able to do what they please, but the fact that a high society fuck like him kept his kids away from that kind of thing is really refreshing.
hatessw ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:20:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laud the attempt. I fear for the outcome. When you enforce things from the outside, you seem to be at risk of atrophying the internal motivation to behave well.
Oh, I know this all too well. There are a few people in my life right now who I constantly worry about because they were raised in extremely strict religious homes and now that they're adults, have gone completely wild. Partying, sex (so much sex omg,) drinking, some drugs. Sometimes I worry that I'm going to lose people I love because their parents kept them on a tight leash.
However, the parents of the people I know went about it all wrong. You can still have strict rules regarding things like alcohol and drugs and have children that turn out fine. I have those people in my life as well. You have to know how to be firm but fair rather than hellfire and brimstone.
Instead the boys get their kicks from killing for sport. (I grew up on a farm, no issue with hunting, just an issue with killing for pleasure).
Humans need vices, pleasure and outlets.
He has may of told them not to drink or do drugs but we can hardly equate that with the children being taught how to lead a moral life.
Seriously? Are you really saying that I'd you don't drink or do drugs you must have some other nasty terrible habit? I don't smoke, do drugs, or drink. BECAUSE of my families history with addiction and alcoholism.
I don't hunt or anything else like that. People can teach their kids to stay away from things that are bad for their health and give them absolutely nothing in return easily enough. It doesn't mean they'll just pick something else abhorrent.
GhostFour ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 21:37:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not quite true, but I've heard Donald Trump Jr. talk about it on the radio before. They weren't allowed to drink, smoke, or do any drugs when they were living at home and drugs are obviously still not allowed (what parent "allows" drugs though?). One of them owns a winery in Virginia http://www.trumpwinery.com . They're "allowed" to drink but Trump kept them away from alcohol for as long as he could which is really just good parenting.
[deleted] ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, some people are constantly busy. That might have just been his way to spend as much time as he could with them as soon as possible, by making it vaguely work related. My dad's an artist, when there's a rush he makes a point to spend time with us when he's doing something that doesn't require his full attention.
That's a lot of hands-off fathers I've known, though. I've seen career-minded women who have basically birthed children then gone straight back to work so the "house husband" could raise the kid(s.)
While I'd argue active and involved parenting is always better, if he at least laid some decent ground rules like the alcohol/drugs/parties stuff then that's better than not.
That praise of his apparent parenting skills feels a little awkward when you also take into account he said he'd date one of his daughter had she not been his, and allowed Howard Stern to talk vulgar about one of them, too.
What's wrong with Tiffany? She's significantly younger than the first 3, so she hasn't had the opportunity to take part in business related things yet.
You're quoting Hillary Clinton, of all people. Yes, it was in reference to Trump.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:31:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not go crazy. He's made really inappropriate comments about his daughter. He doesn't even have a hand in raising his youngest son.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:58:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, you have an imgur album of pics of him "parenting" and you're going around spamming it to people to show what a good dad he is. You're creepy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody said he never saw his kids until they were of business age, they said he didn't really have much of a hand in raising them. Like literally nobody thinks he never even saw his kids once until they were adults, that's ridiculous.
Trump kept them away from alcohol for as long as he could which is really just good parenting.
Not necessarily. In many ways getting introduced to it slowly is safer.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"They're "allowed" to drink but Trump kept them away from alcohol for as long as he could which is really just good parenting."
I think this is a slightly controversial statement. American's tend to introduce their children to alcohol at an older age compared to places like western Europe, but we have higher instances of binge drinking. I can't find the source for this at the moment, but I read a study about it a few weeks ago.
If you have a strong family history of alcoholism, it seems to me that keeping alcohol entirely away from your kids is better parenting than introducing it early, no matter in what mild or low amounts.
OTOH, if it's not a genetic risk, the argument easily goes the other way.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:59:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, because alcohol isn't a typical meal time beverage like it is in many other countries. So if you're binging once a week, you're probably going to consume less than somebody that has a glass of wine or two with every meal.
Yeah I occasionally hear people say that North America (I speak that broadly because I'm Canadian) has a higher rate of alcoholism, but having spent a LOT of my life with British and German people, I think the issue is that drinking to excess is so ingrained in their culture that it would take a lot for someone to actually recognize that they are an alcoholic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'll just go ahead and google translate that and "Do no do not continue to claim you're niil'd supposedly nothing jakoo This Georgenthal property did get"...yeah....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, gross. I mean, I like to drink, and i do prefer the hard stuff, but getting blasted out of your mind like a teenager at your first party every time you drink? well, i guess if you have a couple drinks a day after work, you build a slow tolerance maybe? Wait..no that don't make sense...i dunno.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that, one of the kids owns a winery. I don't know the specifics, but I know the Donald doesn't touch the stuff, and I always took it to be something like, "If your wide party nights make the tabloids a la Lindsay Lohan, you're out." Notice, all the kids are pretty well contained. That's a statistical anomaly for rich kids. Maybe Barron will come out fucked up.
Prince said the same kinds of things with no credible allegations otherwise until... you know.
caseyrain ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:50:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually there were several known instances of Prince drinking or doing drugs.
He famously cancelled the release of The Black Album in 1987 after a bad E trip. He was rushed to the hospital on 21/04/1996 (exactly 20 years before he died) because he necked a whole bottle of wine and a shitload of painkillers and he had to have his stomach pumped.
Also he was once asked in an interview if he did any drugs and he said "I'm open to all experiences".
A lot of us had also correctly surmised that he he a painkiller problem because we knew for years that he needed surgery on his hips and hadn't had it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:53:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot fewer people had much to gain by trashing Prince, but yes, things are possible and probing negatives is difficult.
WissNX01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't know.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm someone who has never had a drink in my entire life, never smoked, and never done any drugs (except for like, medicine obviously for any smart-dumbasses out there).
I've seen what alcohol and drugs to do when I was a kid. I see it even more clearly as an adult with a friend. He's been drinking since high school, started smoking weed, and now he's doing coke. Everyone I know personally who smokes weed ends up doing harder drugs eventually. I pretty up gave up on the notion that weed isn't a "gateway" drug. These things are hard to ignore. I still think all drugs should just be made legal based on stats that show how it improves areas.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:09:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually (and I might rue saying this on reddit, but hear me out guys) agree with this. But I don't really blame weed, so much as I blame it being illegal. I've never smoked weed, I don't intend to because I think it's stupid, and though it's not physically addictive, I think it's mentally addictive. However, I'm highly in favor of legalization.
But it's a gateway drug because it gets people involved with drug dealers. If it was legal, people could just smoke their damn weed and never visit that guy in the back alley in a trenchcoat. And further, because they try to tell you all the "devil's lettuce" stuff when you're a kid, and then that kid tries weed when they're 16 and finds out it's not going to cause reefer madness or any shit like that, then they think that people must have been overstating how bad shrooms, meth, and cocaine are as well.
I heard him talk about never drinking alcohol on his show, The Apprentice when Penn Jillette, a contestant on the show at the time, revealed that he never drinks alcohol either.
I believe his brother died in 1979, so prior to that, who knows? Here's an article about what being a non-drinker in an alcoholic family can do to people
I don't think they're calling every non-drinker crazy. Only the ones who are abstaining while or having been in a close familial relationship with an alcoholic. I've heard it called co-dependency before. My dad and his brother were alcoholics who drank themselves to death, so I've witnessed firsthand the complex relationship that everyone in that situation can develop. Personally I definitely see where I strive to be over-competent, and also get these rages, where anger has been stewing for a long time before exploding. It is an opinion piece, but I think that it makes people who have been in a relationship with an alcoholic think.
Is it codependent that I never smoked a single cigarette in my life after hearing my old man hack up pieces of lung and wheeze from climbing the stairs for my first 15 years, or just common sense?
Probably common sense. Tobacco addiction isn't as debilitating as alcohol addiction can be, nor does it lead to lying to cover for the smoker, and adapting behaviors like having an alcoholic in the family. Tobacco addiction is probably one of the mildest addictions in terms of impairment, at least until the end stages of it.
Trump talked about not drinking alcohol on The Apprentice when Penn Jillette, a contestant on the show at the time, remarked that he doesn't drink alcohol either and never has.
I had just learned this today from a close friend who has another friend that is close to Steve Brannon. My friend said, Brannon is a big day-drinker and Trump is a tea-totaller. He said Brannon will just be around for the transition and then gone.
He's admitted to taking sips of champagne on new years or to celebrate hotel openings, but he's never drank a drink in his life, if that difference makes sense.
It's pretty remarkable. There's been allegations of him being present at cocaine fueled parties, yet never a single credible allegation of him ever partaking.
well....i wouldn't be surprised if he's had a drink or two before his brothers problems came about...but yeah, he's not known to drink anyways, certainly not since then.
I don't believe he hasn't touched coke. Not with the habitual sniffing, the debate performance, and the doth-protest-too-much accusation that Hillary did drugs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome to your opinion, but lmao at the idea he would do coke at the debate.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read some stories from celebrities about parties Trump used to throw and they pretty much all mention that while he always made sure his guests were well-supplied, he never touched any alcohol. Loves chasing women though.
So? There's lots of money in alcohol. Investing in it is pretty smart if the brand is well established. People don't have to use every thing they are invested in.
Look, I hate Trump, but as someone who doesn't drink I think you're missing the point.
Alcohol isn't inherently destructive but it can cause people who abuse it to be destructive. Trump doesn't want to see that in his life so he doesn't drink but has no problems with other people drinking. Kinda like how pro choice people can be personally against abortion.
iLuxy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:26:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I would say that's pretty far fetched, to in all of his years, NEVER tried a drink/smoked a joint/hit a bump once in his entire life.
Sure there are people that have done it, and most that haven't aren't looking at 6-7 figures.
I believe that he no longer does, or maybe only tried it a single time in his life, but I'd be growing a third arm out my asshole if he never tried anything once.
edit: not to mention this guy is a billionaire, I KNOW for a fact, he as indeed tasted wine at a tasting/dinner.
It would be very inconsiderate on his behalf to the host of the dinner/gathering to refuse a taste.
That would be like saying yeah, i've never smoked weed, just inhaled it once.
Beta1548 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:21:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be very inconsiderate on his behalf to the host of the dinner/gathering to refuse a taste.
It would be waaaaaay more inconsiderate for his host to pressure him into drinking
And it's not like a guy like Trump accepts his own invitations. At his level there are assistants who deal with that, and a good assistant will make sure her boss' needs are conveyed properly.
Have you ever heard of people called Muslims and Mormons?
It's possible.
Beta1548 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Or even just people who have seen how horrible it is to be an alcoholic.
Edit: I mean that as in that alcoholism is a horrible disease, not like "shame on you for being an alcoholic".
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:39:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I can say is what I've already said: He claims this, often, and I've never seen it any remotely credible allegations otherwise.
joltto ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:30:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like he's claiming he's never jerked off or something.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:02:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
As a person who has literally never had a drink or done any drugs, it's really not that hard. Especially once you get a reputation for it. As a teen, my best friend would always tell people to fuck off if they tried to get me to drink. Honestly, I only ever felt actually pressured like twice - normally it's like, "Oh, you don't want a beer? Cool, pass it down to Josh".
It didn't take long before it just became known in my circles that AshFirecrest doesn't drink and it got to the point it was rare people even offered. No one really cared. We all still hung out just the same and everyone loved having a lifetime designated driver. Bars and clubs were some of my favorite places to go with my fiends - not drinking didn't change that. I have some of the best stories too, since I'm the only one who can remember it all.
As an adult, it's even easier. My exposure to alcohol now consists of the few times a year I walk up to an open bar at a company event or wedding and ask for a Sprite. No one gives a shit.
Edit: Reasons. I witnessed a really bad drunk driving accident as an 8 year old. It had a profound effect on me and I associated all drinking with a deep deep level of idiocy. Eventually, I got old enough to differentiate between responsible drinking and drinking and driving, but by then I'd also come to highly value my intelligence. It seems strange to me that people would intentionally sabotage themselves like that.
This is one of the very few 100% true claims Trump makes about himself, including about not smoking. Once in a restaurant, he ordered a Virgin Mary but was served a Bloody Mary instead and immediately spat it out.
A Virgin Mary is pretty close to just tomato juice, but some lime or lemon juice is added.
A Bloody Mary adds vodka, maybe half as much as the tomato juice. Both drinks also contain worcesteshire, pepper, horse raddish, and some other ingredients
SosX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, he looks like a man that would enjoy a nice scotch at the end of the day, funny how people are.
Wren1478 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well done steaks.... I was hopeful for the future of America, but I don't know anymore if the President of the United States likes his steaks Well-done!
But why do I rack my brain trying to find a instance where he has the classy rich old man glass of something? It must have been some classy apple juice.
It's arguable that the bullying from Donald and his father was what contributed to him drinking heavily to begin with.
The rest of the family could never accept him for wanting to be a pilot.
Yea the way Donald treated his brother is absolutley disgusting. They basically drove the man into ruining himself. Then after he died the Donald went way out of his way to fuck over his brother's children, cutting off their medical insurance when his nephew had cerebral palsy. Just to get revenge on his sister-in-law for whatever bullshit reason Trump has. The man is a fucking monster and now he leads the free world....god help us.
synack36 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:50:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is a famous abstainer, but that doesn't stop him from peddling the stuff to the masses.
Luder714 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:52:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a bartender, and I see two types of alcoholics, and both can be functioning. First, there is the after work drunk. He comes in and drinks 6 at the bar, then 6 more at home and goes to bed. Every night. Rarely drinks a shot, never a problem, eventually gets a dui strictly by chance since he never screws up driving. Barely shows being drunk at the bar.
Then there's the scary drunk. These folks get off work and they HAVE TO HAVE A DRINK! Their drink of choice is usually vodka, straight up or chilled. This person will order a double and drink it within minutes. The same with the second, third, fourth, maybe fifth. This is all within about 15 minutes. They have drank the equivilant of 10 beers in 15 minutes. Now they slow down to one or 2 every 20 minutes or so. After that half hour though, they go from sober to sloppy drunk in seconds. You can almost watch their face change into the monster they are about to become. It is usually one of the following things that happen: 1. They look for a hookup and now they are that person's problem. 2. They get mean and say horrible things to their best friends, brothers, mom, dad, whoever. 3. They are exceptionally mean and they get thrown out, going to another bar to get thrown out again. and again.
This second one I hate. My brother was one of them. A good friend was one too. They are two different people from drunk to sober, and it is sad to watch.
If someone is convicted of drunk driving causing bodily harm or death and it was found that you were the last person to serve them alcohol, are you liable?
The first time I took coke I didn't feel any effects. It was only at about 7 am that I realised that I'd been drinking since noon the day before. I should have passed out hours before. Had taken the coke with my cousins about 11 pm.
It was like the coke made me into a drinking machine
I'm hardly a Trump fan, but a few years ago during the Apprentice I read somewhere that he didn't drink. Gotta admit it earned him a point in my book.
There's so much potential for abuse, and for dependency and problem drinking ... maybe there really are people who drink socially, just a few drinks over an evening. But it seems like everyone I've known who drinks, does so to excess with the purpose of getting plowed and sloppy drunk.
rambouhh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
one the link doesn't work, and two, I know the story of Freddy Jr. but Donald was 35 when he died. He did not drink at all before that. He decided to abstain for the 17 years he was of legal drinking age when his brother was still alive. Obviously his reasons for drinking go deeper than his brothers death as a result of it. Also he cut his dead brothers wife and kids out of his fathers will so I don't think I buy all the posturing of I loved my brother so much so that is why I stopped drinking bit he says.
I don't know where or why we ever departed from the concept that there are genetic predispositions to behaviors. We gladly accept that different breeds of dogs have different traits, but when it comes to people, it's an absurd thought.
Ok. Explain to the rest of the class how someone can be written out of a will when they died 19 years before said will was executed? Let's say he did write him out of the will by tricking his father who was addled with Alzheimer's, how do you reconcile the 19 year gap( which would have been the absolute latest Donald could have written his brother Fred out) when Alzheimer's today has a life expectancy of half that time with major improvements to treating compared to the early 80s?
Ps Dude is unisex.
Gbiknel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:09:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know who else didn't drink right??? Hitler...
But seriously, as a nondrinker this is kinds cool.
This won't actually be a first for the presidency. Rutherford B. Hayes banned alcoholic drinks from the White House when he was president. His wife Lucy was an ardent supporter of the temperance movement, nicknamed "Lemonade Lucy" after her death based on the misconception that she initiated the White House ban rather than her husband.
foospork ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:23:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidentally, Hitler didn't drink, either. (I think, though, that not drinking was more anomalous in the 1930s and 1940s than it is now.)
I don't mean to draw any correlations -- it's just that learning that Trump doesn't drink reminded me of the "quiz" about WWII leaders: "One chain smoked and philandered, one drank at least a quart of hard liquor every day, and one was a tee-totaller. Who was who?". (For some reason, Stalin, Mussolini, and Hirohito didn't make it into the joke-quiz.)
This took me by surprise last year. I dressed up as ol Donald for a Halloween party last year, and I wondered "what does The Donald drink?" A few Googles later I realized I was gonna have to break character to sip a cold one :(
"Pol Pot was a history teacher and Hitler was a vegetarian painter. So mass murderers come from the areas you least expect it. I don't know how the flip comes over but it happens"
I don't trust a man that NEVER drinks. Don't like it? Cool, pop the champagne on the really big days. Past alcoholic? Great, no self control.
I may be an asshole, and may get blasted for this. But I just can't trust a man that NEVER drinks.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:44:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe a guy doesn't want to harm his liver or predispose himself to diabetes? Maybe a guy doesn't want an upset stomach? Maybe a guy doesn't want to depress his central nervous system with literal poison? Maybe a guy has firm moral convictions? Why would someone celebrate with something they don't like?
You're a total asshole. There are a plethora of reasons why a man wouldn't drink and every one of them is valid. It has nothing to do with character.
You wouldn't say, "I can't trust a man who never smokes methamphetamine."
His brother died of alcoholism. May be that did heavy toll on him emotionally and vowed to never touch it? you never know. It's not a bad thing not to drink anyway.
MBTHVSK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, really? Some people just don't like the taste....or the way it can make you slumpy even without getting drunk.
Also, WTF at all these upvotes. Is the Don guzzling candy blasted soda fountains gonna be a meme?
Once I served Michael Jordan orange gatorade & ranch flavored corn nuts...I handed it over and he said 'thanks baby'. I turned into a puddle of incoherent goo.
Somewhat related, but I used to work for a major catalog company (that is extremely overpriced) and we used to sell to celebrities all the time. Stephen & Tabitha King call in all the time for orders. My friend who works there still searched up Trump today and found many orders that were shipped to Trump Tower under his name.
There was also orders for the white house's address for Obama and Bush. There was a note in the system for Obama that stated "Caller called in to place an order for the president." The president had somebody call in to order an asparagus platter.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:32:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need an iconic Donald Trump "Change" poster, but instead it says "Exact Change"
A magazine interviewer, maybe for Esquire (one of those single-page 10-20 quick questions articles), asked Trump if he saw a penny on the sidewalk, would he pick it up? He said he always did. Also some autograph collectors who mailed small checks to celebrities, found that he signed checks for as little as 13 cents. That was back in the days when banks returned cancelled checks instead of just images.
I always assume they paid anything under $100 with a $100. Guess not.
askheidi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend said Donald Trump used to also come in to the movie theater she worked at and that he would also get a large popcorn and two waters. He learned her name and was also extremely friendly. She said she was shocked by how he is now because he was such a nice guy back then.
ucefkh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't ask for a purple one? ;) Ya know ::wink wink::
What kind of deliberation time are we talking, though? Did he know right away that he wanted the cotton candy flavor, or did he take a few moments to think about it? Did he sound totally certain and confident in his choice, or was there a note of longing in there, like maybe he'd made the wrong call, and now he'd never get to experience the joy of the white cherry slushie?
Nixie9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He asked about the flavors of our Slushies, they were White Cherry and Cotton Candy
What kind of posh slushies are you selling? My cinema does red or blue flavour, those are not even real foods.
I read The Art of The Deal a while back and something that stuck out to me was the fact that he negotiated a deal that saved him ten cents in light bulbs. TEN CENTS.
timoumd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man if I were rich I feel like Id pay for everything with whatever bills I had. Shit Im middle class and I do that sometimes.
Genuine question: was he wearing a suit? I've never seen him out of a suit, ever. Though I cant imagine anyone would go to the cinema in a suit and tie.
ooohhh GOOD question. No, he didn't wear a suit. Both he and his wife were in polo shirts that had "Trump {Something-Or-Other}" embroidered on them. As for pants, I don't really remember. I'm gonna go with khakis. They looked like they just left a golf course or something.
I bet he had a secretary scope this whole trip out and even provide him with the exact change so that he could just hand it over and not waste time. he's probably got a top-notch secretary.
Somehow, and I don't know why, but the fact that he even carries pocket change infuriates me...
Completely irrational, I know. But now I picture him doing this with a Porsche...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that he A.) is a grown man and drinks slushies and B.) picked the cotton candy flavor out of those two flavors, tells you everything you need to know about this guy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's something that automatically happens after you reach a certain age. Like, all you have to do is take out your change, pull random coins out and no matter what it'll be exact change
Maybe he forces himself to have it every time it's available though, in penance for not saying something he should have to his grandmother before she passed.
teruma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cotton candy over white cherry? I can't believe this disgusting freak is gonna run our country.
xmu806 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually am very surprised that he paid in exact change. I guess I would have expected that he would have just used a card and not bothered with having to get change back. I am especially surprised that he carried coins. Honestly, I hate carrying coins and if I was a billionaire, I would probably just decline getting coins back. lol
It always seems so weird to me when celebrities go to public places like movie theatres or grocery stores. But at the same time, they're all normal people, no matter how much money or fame they have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think the heavily edited reporting on him played a role in having everyone think he was such an asshole during his campaign?
I ask, because I went to investigate all of these claims of bigotry and actually watched his rallies/speeches/debates IN THEIR ENTIRETY (instead of the bits and pieces reported on by all the media) and really liked the guy. I was a bernie supporter and as soon as I realized bernie sold out to the DNC, I went Trump. His policies are trying to fix the same issues bernie had, but nobody seems to care about that.
Infrastructure which was one of the big reasons I supported bernie.
VA reform bernie tried but did nothing for me and my friends. I can't afford health care and the VA sucks. I've lost 10 people to suicide in the last 8 years and I feel confident blaming that on lack of resources to the VA. Bernie says this is important to him, but his time as the VA committee chair has given us nothing, well next to nothing.
Trade Im sick of the only jobs being service industry. Working retail/food service since my discharge has left me beyond broke and now without a car, which further inhibits my ability to get a decent job. Bernie doesn't touch on this, not explicitly. The TPP is dead already.
His tax plan really doesn't seem like much and we always hear about "cutting the deductions". I'd really like to see him doing that, as my experience with some small business owners is that the big businesses work in these tax deductions so that the small guys are unable to operate due to taxes while the big businesses can easily hire people to use them. This is how a lot of big businesses end up with small tax contributions. It's a mediocre cut for the middle class (I did the math for a friend and her husband, they'd only save about $1,000/year, not including any deductions special programs he puts in place for families)
Cleaning up regulations While I agree and am absolutely certain there are regulations that must be in place (there always has to be rules or limits on things, otherwise you run into problems) I've dealt with more than enough bureaucracy in my food service and retail management positions to say that there plenty of laws that do nothing but waste labor and hurt productivity, as well as cause unnecessary stress. I would like to see regulations cleaned up.
Immigration I'm sure someone will call me a racist but our citizens are having a hard enough time right now, we don't need more competition in the labor force until we have our shit together. I'm not going to take in a person to my home if I don't have my home up to par. I had a lot of friends in the Navy who were from the border states and while they didn't hate mexicans, they definitely were not fond illegal immigrants for various reasons (including crime)
On immigration, this is also an issue of child trafficking and rape. 3/5 girls/women who cross the border illegally are raped. 3 out of fucking 5. We need to find a way to minimize illegal immigration for the sake of those poor girls who have to endure that trauma. If a wall helps, as the mexican southern border seemed to help reduce immigration from central america to the US, then lets do it.
National defense is kind of a mixed bag. There is a lot of money spent on "military" shit that is just a waste, such as the planes or whatever that nobody wanted in the military but were bought anyway. I think our military is hurting more than people realize because we're lumping all that wasted money in with the cost of our service members.
Healthcare Like bernie, he wants healthcare to be affordable and accessible. They have different methods of achieving that goal, but all I care about is being able to go the fucking doctor next time my stomach problem acts up, instead of waiting 6 months for the VA GI doctor to be able to see me (for which I'm always symptom free at the time. Cameras up your ass and down your throat are not fun, even with the drugs they give you)
I don't like his energy plan, but I think as a business man he's simply not aware of the science and change in demand to cleaner energies (as they're becoming far more cost effective). He is a smart man and I'm pretty confident he'll come around to this.
I do like his views on the constitution and the like, as I am finding far too many people these days comfortable with authoritarian concepts which I find runs counter to the idea of a free society. A free society needs to have freedoms guaranteed, not limits on what we can do (I'm speaking outside of doing things that explicitly harm others of course) It may not be a majority deal around the country but in my area and social circle I'm seeing many people who are ok with limiting speech and the like. I prefer my freedoms.
Childcare is another thing I like. I don't have kids but a big chunk of my friends and peers do. It is a huge burden on them trying to deal with shit wages while having to find someone to take care of their kid.
Compare Trump's policy page to that of Sanders and it's pretty apparent there is more substance in the former than the latter, whether you agree with them or not.
A lot of these policies are why I was supporting Sanders.
Sanders sold out and I was aware that clinton was not for the people, so I decided to actually look into trump and stop listening to the "OMG BIGOT" spread around.
I was pleasantly surprised when listening to his speeches and debates. He's blunt and honest. I respect that a TRILLION times more than someone who would rather sugarcoat something, I see sugarcoating as condescending..... and that's what pretty much every fucking politician does. Reality and the truth is harsh, say it like it is.
I started like his view of caring for the country so I started digging through youtube for old interviews of him. Turns out, Trump is patriotic as hell and loves his country and has made that clear over the years. How many rich folks do you know that have been democrat? Not many and the ones that are tend to be the better people.... at least from my experience.
EDIT: Thanks for the gold! Next time though, make a donation to charity instead!
Night_FoE ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 08:27:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the excellent reply, I'll be saving this for future use because of how well-written it is.
I've been under a lot of attack socially and online by my fellow bernie supporters since I came out of the "I support trump" closet and have had to explain this ad nauseam to no positive effect, which has given me lots of practice on finding and explaining the why. I never get a rebuttal that isn't an ad hominem against me or Trump, the standard racist/sexist/fascist/homophobe remarks that never seem to be backed up with any sort of evidence.
I feel like I'm the one person who cares more about the outcome rather than the who and how.
NedSnark ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a democrat, I'm one of the only people I know who has spent time and effort on being open minded about support for Trump. It doesn't surprise me to hear that you've been attacked, because I've seen how unwilling anyone is to acknowledge that there were legitimate reasons to vote for him. (The other side is true, too; people have been remarkably close minded about support for Hillary as well.) I appreciate you spelling out that long post. It's a good one with an honest and articulate perspective.
Part of what's been tricky for me is that I've agreed with some of Donald's points. I loved hearing him call out Bush 2 for using misleading evidence to start the Iraq war. I have been calling for greater spending on infrastructure for years. I have a hard time arguing against the idea that people should use legal pathways towards immigration. In general, your post is filled with ideas that most rational people could agree with -- or at least understand even if they disagree.
On the other hand, though, is my deep resentment of the use of the inflammatory rhetoric that Trump was so fond of. I'm legitimately worried for the jewish family and friends in my life, who feel scared when they see swatsikas being graffiti'ed in schools. I'm scared for my lgbt friends, who are all in a nauseating limbo wondering if their marriages might be invalidated by a conservative supreme court. I'm worried for my muslim friends, who are more likely to be harassed on the street than they were a couple of years ago.
Even though I have these fears, which I do feel are legitimate, that doesn't mean I think the only reason to vote for Trump is because you're a racist. I'm not willfully blind. I do know how skewed the reporting was about the things Trump said throughout the election.
I guess this is a long winded way of saying that I wish we were more open minded about each other. So few of us are actually willing to listen to the other side. I know people see my fears as totally unjustified. And I know people see Trump votes as totally unjustified. Why do we have such a hard time understanding each other? Disagreement is one thing. But dehumanization is something else entirely.
Thanks for your long post and you're willingness to still be vocal even in the face of so much close-mindedness.
Did you see my comment above the long post? I kept hearing about this inflammatory rhetoric and investigating it myself found pretty much every news outlet selectively editing or telling "us" to infer something that isn't there.
What inflammatory rhetoric are you talking about specifically?
who feel scared when they see swatsikas being graffiti'ed in schools.
Most of these things have been hoaxes. There are websites and subreddits that track the hoaxes. Quite a few people have been arrested and charged this year with fake hate crimes. Fake hate crimes should CONCERN EVERYBODY, as it makes us need to be even MORE skeptical of the legit claims which is only going to hurt more people (whether it results in trump supporters being attacked because of a hate crime hoax or brings about a loony racist to think it's ok to act out) I AM NOT DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF HATE CRIMES, JUST THE PREVALENCE OF THESE AS THEY'RE ALL MASKED UNDER THE STRAWMAN OF TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS.
The funniest part about this is the amount of violence and vandalism against trump supporters. We're worried about hate crimes, but when the bigotry is towards an idea/political view rather than skin color/religion/sexual orientation we don't care. I find it racist to think that we only need to worry about "those poor brown folk" and not the other victims. To me it seems that only focusing on one demographic of victims instead of others is implying that you think the former demographic needs special help because they're weak.
I'm scared for my lgbt friends, who are all in a nauseating limbo wondering if their marriages might be invalidated by a conservative supreme court.
That's not how supreme court rulings work. This is a problem. Fear mongering has you, and they, worried over something that just isn't feasible. I can understand WHY you would be worried about this, but cases have to be sent up the chain, from the bottom to the SC. The SC then rules on it at that point.
Do you see anyone out there trying to challenge marriage equality in lesser courts with the attempt of reaching the supreme court?
On top of that, Trump has been abundantly clear that he thinks all of these issues should be states' rights, and the state is where democracy is, not at the federal level (We the people elect our state representatives then give a vote to tell our state how to vote for the president, The US is a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy)
/u/NedSnark - This is how political discourse SHOULD be. Instead of the identity politics and ad hominems, we should discuss and try to understand people's view points. I'm not saying that people like you don't exist but I haven't met someone IRL in 2 years who can have an honest discussion without calling someone racist/sexist/homophobe/fascist.
Ridry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What inflammatory rhetoric are you talking about specifically?
I'll pick 5, but I have over 100.
He never walked back his claim about NJ Muslims celebrating the downing of the towers, which saddens me because Muslims have a hard enough time already without the US believing they are all terrorists.
When he said a US federal judge couldn't be impartial against him because of their Mexican heritage.
Mainstreaming the birther movement against our first black President.
โLook at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?โ (I wouldn't vote for Fiorina, but that's a horrible thing for our President to say.... does she need to be a 10 to vote for her?)
His comments against POWS (he likes vets that weren't captured).
I'll give a bonus #6 that he called Rosie O'Donnel a fat pig.
So I've got Muslims, POWs, "ugly" women, "fat" women, Mexicans and I guess black guys from Hawaii? on the list here. To me those 6 comments alone show a man that has lowered the standard of how a President should act.
On top of that, Trump has been abundantly clear that he thinks all of these issues should be states' rights
That's basically horrific to me. IMHO you have 2 choices. Erase permanently the concept of Federal marriage or have it so that NY marriages are valid in Utah. There's no middle ground.
The SCOTUS would be really, really, really stupid to undo gay marriage at this point, but if conservatives thought they could they would try. In general it's a bad idea to overturn a ruling that is highly against public opinion and would be a nightmare to undo.
I'm more worried about justices being appointed that would allow us to continue the dark ages of conversion therapy, cake wars and the war against gay adoption that makes them second class citizens.
Actually, for the record, I think Trump likes gay people. But he's not going to appoint a justice to the stolen SCOTUS seat that will fight for LGBT rights.
I'm not saying that people like you don't exist but I haven't met someone IRL in 2 years who can have an honest discussion without calling someone racist/sexist/homophobe/fascist.
I would agree that this is a terrible way to argue. Many people supported Trump because they were racist/sexist/homophobe/fascist. But I will say that if Trump had remained a Democrat, had the same rhetoric, won the Dem primary and ran against Ted Cruz... a conservative nutjob who wants us to be a theocracy.... I have no idea WTF I would do. With the SCOTUS in the balance, my belief that third party votes are largely wasted and not wanting to hand Ryan a President that'd rubber stamp his conservative garbage.... I'd probably have voted Trump and then vomited.
Rorigin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:12:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump didn't seem to mind gay marriage, we don't know who he will appoint, he was a democrat for ages. And the issues would be a setback for the fast moving movement, but It seems mostly publicly accepted that it's going to happen.
I don't think "Many people supported Trump because they were racist/sexist/homophobe/fascist." It seems such a small % of the population. Most people can simply dismiss personal attacks as not racist/sexist/homophobic/fascist and find some remarks inflated by the news.
Those remarks are on the path of becoming irrelevant as people equate Nazi's Linching and wanting to kill minorities/women/gays , To personal insults.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We know he plans to appoint a justice on his list. He floated 20 names. I find none of them acceptable. So he's either appointing a conservative justice or he lied to voters.
Many wasn't a bad word. Even if it's 1% that's still 600,000 people. There is no way to take the idea that Mexican judges can't be impartial as anything but racist IMHO.
Rorigin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you had a hard stance on illegal immigration , it effects legal Mexican migrants also, he either used it as a tactic to get a judge more in his favor or did think the judge couldn't be impartial due to sentimentalization of the news over the subject.
To make remarks like many racist/sexist/homophobic/fascist supported trump, would be like someone saying many Muslim terrorists, black rapists , female communists, or illegal Mexicans voted for Hillary.
It's insulting to everyone and is disingenuous to why people actually vote one way or another. There were also a good few remarks that made Hillary racist/sexist/homophobic by these weak definitions.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but the KKK in NC held a victory parade after Trump's win. And I personally feel like some of his comments/retweets were meant to dog whistle to these guys. I know votes are votes, but if you're trying to win the scumbag vote that's a problem for me. If you read my whole post you'd see that I posted a perfectly reasonable explanation for why many non deplorable people voted for him.
But do I feel like Donald tried to make the racist/sexist/etc groups part of his coalition? I do. That's one of my issues with him, not his average voter. I'm not trying to lump people in the rust belt who felt ignored, pro life activists or immigration hard liners with the KKK. My sincere apologies if you felt I was.
That said we reach a dangerous slope with your first comment. Maybe Muslim judges can't preside over Donald either because he's talking about closing Mosques. Or Black judges because of what he did to Obama in his birther conspiracy. Are you not troubled by fact that in Donald Trump's insinuations that really only an old white guy is fit to sit on his case? Because that's where that slippery slope ends my friend.
Rorigin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First half - Just seeing a lot of the lumping of people, I don't talk to anyone and have been reading a fair bit in politics lately. Saddens me looking to both sides. Everyone seems a lot closer than they feel.
Second half - You're right in that justice should be blind and it's dangerous and in bad character to act that way. But as a businessman and a power figure, you can see in a lot of situations he does what needs to be done to get better odds. I'm sure rich people (with crafty lawyers) do such things all the time, and it's up to the people who control such to know it's not right.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:14 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone seems a lot closer than they feel.
I love this sentiment :-)
And I appreciate that you agree about the courts. I do understand what you are saying about him being a businessman. If I'm being honest my issue has never been what's in his heart, it's the message he sends. My wish for his Presidency is that he is better. That he does good.
The judge supported La Raza (The Race), the movement to reclaim/claim large swaths of the US for the mexican race. Of course the judge was biased.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:02 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the NCLR's stated goal and the judge isn't a member of THAT La Raza anyway. More evidence that Trump's post truth politics paid off. You've been conned. If you fact check everything he says you'd be lucky to come out 50/50. But it won him the election so obviously we're doing it wrong.
NedSnark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:51:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every news outlet selectively edit[ed] or t[old] "us" to infer something that [wa]sn't there. What inflammatory rhetoric are you talking about specifically?
First, I'd agree with you that there were a lot of headlines that made Trump seem bad, where you looked closer and it was overblown. But that doesn't mean that he's totally innocent of this. For me, it absolutely started with Trump's insistence on taking the birther mantle. That struck me as a long and disgusting smear on our first black president. Is it an explicitly racist comment? No. But is it a claim championed by racists? Yes. (Just do a little googling of nigger obama kenya and you'll see that. Or do some research into the public opinion polls to see how much more common the birther belief is among people who see blacks as inferior.) And for real, there's so many legitimate reasons to criticize Obama. We're gunna pretend he's not an American? It's just so insulting, so rude. (You can disagree with me here, but I definitely felt it that way.)
I thought Trump's announcement of his campaign was similarly offensive. He said, "When Mexico sends their people, they're not sending their best... They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people." This is a pretty nasty characterization of illegal immigrants, especially that last phrase. Only some of them are good people. Presumably, then, most of them are in the same category as rapists. I've known and worked with a lot of hispanic immigrants, both legal and illegal, and I think this is just a callous way of describing people.
And this doesn't even touch on his language about women. Trump's response to Megyn Kelly's questioning his comments about women "She had blood coming out of her eyes... blood coming out of her wherever" is just gross, crass, and demeaning to women.
Now again, you can disagree with me about whether these comments offended you. But you can't disagree with me that they offended me. I'm a teacher, and one of my fundamental rules of my classroom is that we treat each other with respect. I really don't appreciate the lack of respect Trump is willing to show other people. And I think it sets a really bad example for our country.
Fake hate crimes should CONCERN EVERYBODY, as it makes us need to be even MORE skeptical of the legit claims which is only going to hurt more people
Agree 100%.
I AM NOT DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF HATE CRIMES, JUST THE PREVALENCE OF THESE AS THEY'RE ALL MASKED UNDER THE STRAWMAN OF TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS.
I'm not arguing that all hate crimes in America are caused by Trump supporters. Frankly, my fears of anti-semitism aren't so rooted in Trump -- they're more rooted in much larger societal forces. Anti-semitism is on the rise. Across the world. It's real. Full stop. Are there fake instances of it? sure. Are there real instances of it? Yea. Want to know which of those two scare me? The real ones. Again, I see this as a worldwide problem that is much bigger than Trump (and his grandkids are Jews after all). But there is a reality that some of the racists in the country and in the world feel empowered by the rising nationalism we're seeing. That feeling of empowerment is going to manifest in many ways. Some of those ways are violent.
The funniest part about this is the amount of violence and vandalism against trump supporters. We're worried about hate crimes, but when the bigotry is towards an idea/political view rather than skin color/religion/sexual orientation we don't care.
I think physical and verbal assaults on Trump supporters are terrible. Again, as a teacher, I'm trying to teach my students to be open minded of each other to prevent these sorts of things.
To me it seems that only focusing on one demographic of victims instead of others is implying that you think the former demographic needs special help because they're weak.
I don't think about it that way. It's more about who is close to me. I have jews in my family, and a bunch of my closest friends are jews. I worry about them, because they're scared.
Fear mongering has you, and they, worried over something that just isn't feasible. Do you see anyone out there trying to challenge marriage equality in lesser courts with the attempt of reaching the supreme court?
I know how the SC works. I know that they don't make unilateral decisions. I know that trials need to move up through the tiers. So obviously a conservative court won't immediately turn over Roe V. Wade and Marriage Equality. But there are plenty of crafty lawyers, think tanks, and super pacs who have plenty of strategies to get cases in front of courts that will allow them to move up towards the SC.
I hope you're right that this isn't feasible. But I fear that you're wrong. I haven't seen people start this process in the courts yet, but I have seen people write and pass laws meant to curtail lgbt rights. I know there is a portion of my country, and a soon-to-be-sitting vice president, who believe homosexuality is an abomination. I have faith that they're going to try to act on that belief. I hope the courts can stop them. I fear that a conservative supreme court won't.
This is how political discourse SHOULD be. We should discuss and try to understand people's view points.
Agreed. As a teacher and as a person I want to do what (little) I can to help change the culture right now. I think if more democrats could acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons to be a Trump supporter, we'd be a better country. I think if more Trump supporters could acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons for people to feel afraid of the implications of a Trump presidency, we'd be a better country.
Personally, I hope that for you, seeing some of my responses here has given you some sense of why some people might be troubled by a Trump presidency. We're not all sheep incapable of critical thought. I promise you that I have spent a lot of time at the_donald just reading. I promise you that I spent a lot of time reading transcripts of his and hillary's speeches. I promise you that, as a teacher of critical thinking, I question and doubt the media constantly, and that I will be critical of every presidential candidate ever. I hope you don't walk away from this conversation thinking "He has no reason to be afraid," but that instead you simply walk away from it thinking "He is afraid. I don't agree that he needs to feel afraid, but I recognize that he does."
Rorigin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"When Mexico sends their people, they're not sending their best... They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people."
I thought he was saying their rapists, as a continuation of the idea that illegal immigration and criminals are probably more likely to commit more crimes. Cartels and drug wars and such.
Can I ask why your Jewish friends and family would be afraid?
This was actually the final straw in turning me to a trump supporter. I saw everyone going on about how he was calling mexicans rapists so I watched that rally. I did not hear "All mexicans are rapists," and still can't grasp how other people hear that.
NedSnark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:50 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I guess first let me say a couple of things: I'm not a Jew so I may not be the best speaker for them. I'm sure you can look around on reddit and find some Jewish subreddits to get a sense of perceptions of the community. Then I'd say that not every Jew I know feels this way; at least one of them voted for trump. And Jews are not monolithic -- there's an old saying "two Jews three opinions." So obviously take my comments with a grain of salt. But I do think my words do reflect my experience.
But among my close friends there's been a growing sense of unease the past couple of years. And it's been felt very acutely in the past few weeks. Nationalism and Jews don't really go hand in hand; just about no nationalistic movement includes Jews as part of their group. Nationalism is often tied at least in some way to Christianity, and Jews are kind of inherently "others." (Both because they choose to maintain judaism as their cultural identity and because mainstream culture tends to keep them on the outside. But that's a long and complex topic.) So rising nationalism across Europe, and now across the US is like a static in the air, because, historically, Anti Semitism goes with it. Similarly, rising bigotry, even when it's not aimed at Jews, tends to make Jews uncomfortable because of the feeling that sooner or later it will be aimed at them. Trumps rise has certainly been tied to a nationalist urge. And he may not be a racist himself; but he's definitely the president for avowed racists. See his endorsement by the Klan, and his consistently positive coverage on infowars, a website run by a guy who says things like "I don't hate the Jews but I do think they have a global conspiracy." When you have rising nationalism and a president who is making racists feel empowered, that makes people nervous.
The news in the past week has seemed to confirm these fears. There has been about an increase in hate and harassment. Swatsikas have been drawn/written in suny geneseo, suny Albany, and the new school. Some people on Reddit assume the majority of these are hoaxes. But the Jews I know are not assuming that. This makes them feel like the next few years are not going to be a time of feeling safe.
Again, you can disagree with these points. But you can't disagree with the fact that this is how the people I know feel. I'd hope people could at least acknowledge it.
I'm convinced that half this country thinks US immigration laws are archaic and cruel which blows my mind because they're in-line with everyone else's. Every time one of these people says 'I'm moving to Canada' I tell them to do so illegally and let me know where they end up when Canada finds out.
This kind of thing makes it hard for me to see the line between politics and religion in the US. Like, at least Christians and Muslims know that the thing they believe in is a "religion" which there are many of and have a history of problems, etc. Popular Progressives have none of this. They think they're mainlining objective reality and moral absolutes. That's what scares me, in a horrible 1984 kind of way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the people that have an issue with trumps statements on illegal immigration IMMEDIATELY think of mexicans. Trump says illegal immigrants, they hear "Mexican"... which I think might be a little racist. AFAIK, there are illegal immigrants who just overstayed their visas as well.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest issue with both candidates was that neither would admit that manufacturing as we knew it (at its height, supporting entire towns) is gone.
ME FUCKING TOO. I think we can bring some of it back but probably on newer technologies, such as solar panels and the like. I think bernie addresses our shift to service industry work as our biggest sector by wanting to raise the minimum wage, but that's only a temporary solution to a permanent problem. I've worked retail and restaurant management since 2008 and it's pretty apparent that the bigger companies could afford to pay their employees SIGNIFICANTLY MORE without it hurting their business (and from personal experience working for a few small business owners, the better people are paid/taken care of, the better work they do for you. A local bar here has apartments above it, owned by the owner of the bar. The employees get awesome discounts on food, booze, and rent. I've never seen a business with such low turnover. 95% of their turnover is people graduating college and moving away)
I'm also unsure of how I feel about trade agreements
So far they've been nothing but harm for the average american worker. Even That 70's Show had an episode about this with Red Foreman losing his job and having to go into retail. It's only gotten worse. I'll take a failed effort to fix this over another trade agreement or just ignoring the issue.
As for taxes, some of the low income/working class will be surprised to be taxed at a higher rate due to the proposed condensing of the tax brackets.
This is not what I found when I looked at the tax proposals. He basically expanded the brackets for low income to do away with one of the brackets. With Trump's plan, my rate (as a single filer) is 12% up to about $37,000 and 25% up to about $110,000.
The current tax plan is 10% to $9,275, 12% to $37,650, 25% to $91,150, and 28% up to $190,000
For ease of numbers we'll look at $50,000 annual income (around the median income IIRC) as a single filer, no deductions.
Trumps plan: ~$7,690 owed in income tax
Current Plan: ~$7790 owed in income tax.
Very modest. Hard to say how the deductions will play out there.
Healthcare will also be a hurdle. If mandates aren't required than premiums will continue to go up,
I was very pro PPACA (Obamacare) and even read the entire released PDF of it's contents. Now I'm seeing all of my friends complain about their premiums and deductibles skyrocketing this year. SOMETHING needs to be done. I don't care if it's single payer or a monkey throwing feces, if it allows me to go to the doctor without waiting 6 months (I go to the VA. Specialist visits take fucking forever) I'm all for it.
I don't give a shit about party lines. I give a shit about solving our problems - and there's been too much political bickering to actually make any decent headway.
You're my new favorite /u/Zola_Rose , I care about the ISSUES and SOLVING OUR PROBLEMS first and foremost. I don't care how we solve it, as long as no undue harm is caused in the process, I just care that we do. ALL of my friends (I'm pretty sure 100% of them) don't seem to care about the issues, they just wanted socialism. Healthcare isn't their concern, it's having single payer. If I pay a deduction on my paycheck for benefits, I don't give a shit if it's a tax deduction for single payer or an insurance premium, as long as I don't have to go into debt to get my medical issues solved.
I've always been liberal, not A LIBERAL, but liberal. I want freedoms for everyone to do pretty much anything as they please, as long as they're not infringing on another person's well-being, which is why we need to keep big banks and these pseudo monopolies from forming (Wal-Mart moving to my town when I was a kid caused a BUNCH of smaller franchise/private grocery stores to go out of business. 2 of them were owned by my friend's uncle, who was paying $10/hr starting out back around 2000 around when wal-mart started killing the business. That friend is now working at wal-mart for $9 and change an hour, as a supervisor)
I'm seeing far too many people claiming to be liberal but championing authoritarian issues/talking points, and that scares me.
fikme ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:39:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow , you should send this to Hillary , since she believes all trump voters are uneducated and have no clue .. she thinks people are dumb
Last I checked, we were actually pretty highly rated.
If I have an emergency, I can go and get helped for free and immediately. However the VA is 50 minutes away without traffic. I broke my ankle a few years ago and had to make that drive. I was in shock from the pain by time I got there.
key1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to clarify: Sanders never "sold out" as he went all the way to role call at the DNC. Farthest you can possibly go in the process. His conditions were that Hillary adopted some of his policies after he lost if she wanted his endorsement. If you recall, he was extremely pressured by the dnc to drop out well before the DNC in Philly. That is just stupid to say.
Yes, that was my point. The selective editing and biased reporting is what has people so adamantly against him and recognizing that the editing and reporting wasn't fair is what made me support him. Up until the Chicago issue, I was on the "OMG trump is a racist/sexist" train.
Mildad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:14:15 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think the heavily edited reporting on him played a role in having everyone think he was such an asshole during his campaign?
Most definitely. This is what the MSM is best at. They take quotes out of context and have their talking heads spin/exaggerate them in the worst possible way. As you can see, people eat it up. As I continue to warm up to Trump it has become painfully obvious how hard the media has, and continues to try to demonize and slander him. It's getting pathetic at this point.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:47:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand the point of turning into a "jerk" for the election. I mean, he was running against Hillary. He'd have got attention no matter what just because he's Trump. And at the start of the campaigning media seemed to like him.
cinepro ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 04:48:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect people who study psychology and human persuasion will be working to figure that out for decades. Maybe he could have won a different way, but for better or worse, that was the way he did it. The way I see it, he basically "hacked" the election. He hacked the Republican nomination process, and then the general election. He played outside of the "box", and the media couldn't see it (because they were still stuck in the box).
jkdjkdkdk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some one described it as "juked his way to the presidency". I read he only spent 37% of the money of the Clinton campaign did but not sure how accurate that is.
If you want to read on the persuasion he used I recommend you look up Scott Adams. He called the election from the start and talks about the techniques used.
cinepro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually did follow Scott Adams for the last 18 months on this. I was a "never-Trump'er", and he never convinced me to vote for him, so the day of the election I was going to email him and say "Hey, you never convinced me to vote for Trump, but I enjoyed the effort, and it looks like he's going to lose, so you were wrong there, but thanks for the interesting take on the election."
Then Trump won and I'm glad I didn't send the email!
Instead of being just another Bush or Clinton slogged through the campaign process he was something fresh and different.
It's a major reason why he won. The American people are tired of the same old shit from Washington. They wanted a voice again and Trump was their outlet.
Not even the biased media could stop it from happening. In fact their incessant propaganda pieces probably helped trump more than hurt him in the long run.
There's no such thing as bad publicity as they say.
Epidemilk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:53:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no such thing as bad publicity
I've been kinda wondering for months if that was the whole point, to see if that works on politics.
khube ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It only worked because Trump isn't new face. He had public face from at least 80' and when media said that he is racist/mysognistic etc no one believes them.
MadBliss ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:38:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had to select a polarizing persona to contradict Hillary's agenfa as much as possible. The numbers he needed to win were found in disenfranchised Whites. The stereotypical Wal-Mart shopper who would never identify with Hillary whose main struggle across all of her campaigns was her inability to seem relatable. Trump as a brand and as himself is not relatable but his fabricated persona is. I cant stomach much of what he ran on but I believe his MO as president will be incredibly more moderate.
wutnow55 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:18:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well really trump made huge ground with minorities than Republicans in the past. I attribute that more for him winning than "disenfranchised whites". Just saying not trying to start an argument or be a jerk by any means but you can look at exit polling and other data sites have and see that to be true.
The stereotypical Wal-Mart shopper who would never identify with Hillary whose main struggle across all of her campaigns was her inability to seem relatable.
You are mistaken.
Clinton literally represented globalists who want even more globalism that put those people into those WAlmarts as their original jobs were shipped away.
Trump represented nationalists who want "america first" get those jobs back and penalize anyone sending jobs away.
enfier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:32 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump runs certain "plays" if you will and the strategy is actually pretty simple. In fact he details them in his book for anyone to read. However the strategy plays to human nature and biases so it works out pretty well.
He dominated the media coverage by just dropping a controversy every few days. He'd say something "offensive" and then the news would run for a day or two on that, then he'd clarify or there'd be a reaction and that would go for a day or two and then Trump would drop something else for the media to feed on. Preferably it would be something that could be interpreted either way - his supporters would see the media picking on him for something reasonable, his detractors would discount his ability to win. The media isn't going to skip reporting on it because it's entertaining, people are going to talk about it, and the end result is that 90% of the conversation ends up being about Trump.
I don't understand the point of turning into a "jerk" for the election. I mean, he was running against Hillary. He'd have got attention no matter what just because he's Trump.
Free advertising worth billions of dollars. That's what he got.
He needed a way to stand out in the GOP primary stage, they had like 8+ candidates on the debate floors. What better way than to say controversial statements and get guaranteed media coverage?
Sure. If you see the fideo of him shaking hands last night at the 21 club when he "didn't tell the media he was going out to dinner"; that's him. The "we'll get your taxes down" is just a joke and he's that guy
What do you think the real Trump will be like as president then?
taldarus ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:26:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP, but, Trump will probably be a good president. Odds are good he will be in office two terms.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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taldarus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:57:15 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the point. Everyone is acting like its the end of the world. It is established. It will probably happen for Trump.
Trump doesn't have to do much to get a second term, just not screw it up.
Trumps popularity will SOAR with the common American. Expectation is too low. People are expecting a catastrophe, and anyone who understands the US system knows that it is almost impossible. Trump clearly planned this whole thing out, and played the system to his advantage. He will be in a position of strength for the next election, and has four years to solidify.
As a democrat, would you want to run after Trump in the next presidential election? After what happened to Hillary?
Someone may have the balls, but again... how the system works dictates that it is just better to lie low and wait till Trump time is over in eight years.
Trump will probably serve 8 years in office. They will be relatively good years too. (Not so much due to Trump, but that there is an interesting balance of power, I would expect at least one house of congress to flip to democrat in the next four years)
I'd put money on him not lasting 2 years. I don't think he is going to like doing the job.
Fallout99 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 01:33:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's been saying this for the last year and a half. But during the last couple of weeks Trump was doing multiple events a day and did 6 events in 3 states the last day of the campaign. The guy definitely wanted it.
Limberine ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:48:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but he likes doing the big events with all the cheering. I don't think he is going to enjoy all the briefings and reading and living in a fishbowl that the presidency involves. He has been his own boss for a long time and now he is basically an employee on a short leash, I think he will hate it after a while.
Evon117 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:57:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that was his job before the race? He went into boardrooms with other businessmen and talked about about mundane shit like business.
Limberine ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:04:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well some of the time, on his schedule and talked about things he knows about. He is going to be chasing a massive learning curve on topics he knows very little about with people who know what they are doing...
I think he will still be his own boss. I think he is going to break a lot of the "traditions" we see from past presidents. Either way, should be very interesting.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:34:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also curious about what sort of image he'll maintain. A lot of his voters seemed pretty set on prosecuting Hillary, stopping all Muslim immigration, and deporting all illegal immigrants. It doesn't seem like he's going to do these things. If his brand of shaking up the system doesn't on out, I wonder if he'll even make it to a second term
well, the people who will be disappointed if he doesn't follow through with these campaign promises (which I don't think he ever intended to because they're so out there), are people who will vote Republican either way. So in 4 years, they're certainly not going to vote democrat because the guy who promised to basically burn the world down didn't deliver.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:49:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention he's 70... not sure if he'd be up to another term from 74-78
It's a little scary to imagine what Trump will look like in 4 years, and certainly scarier if he is elected to a second term. The job ages all presidents. I'm torn as to whether Trump will look like a tattered and torn leather shoe, or if he'll magically come out of it looking younger and continuing to defy all logic.
taldarus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he is still in office 2 weeks after the 2 year anniversary of his inauguration remind me and I'll give you reddit gold. :-) If he isn't and I remember I'll nudge you to gold me.
taldarus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:52:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
uh.... don't know how reddit gold works, nor do I want one...
1:1 odds aren't that certain. I was hoping for 3:1 at least...
So what are your "good odds" on him lasting 2 terms?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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taldarus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Cut the sensational garbage man. This is a serious post. If you are serious, get some help, people have been screaming that the world will end 2000, 2012, 2020?
And he seems to have no idea what the actual job entails.
maybe he gets off of the running for president, but now he actually has to govern.
And he doesn't get to kick people out if they disagree with him.
And there is no more Clinton as a way to distract people from the issues.
taldarus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:35:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
How is this different from either the Republicans or the Democrats?
A democrat president, with only democrats on staff, is still surrounding themselves with yes me. (I know Obama was different)
Right now, as I suspected, we have a fake republican president elect. He nominates 'republicans' but it seems to be more of the fringe element. (I have little practical experience with modern republican practice).
Why is this interesting? Hopefully, it will be a wake up call. Obama had the chance to reign in the presidential powers, but abused them (technically- I think he meant well, but he abused them). Now we have a wild card. Trump is barely republican. (theres only speculation, but the die-hard republicans hate trump atm)
ALL of Washington DC hates trump. No one can deny it. DC was almost 100% democrat this election.
We don't have a president elect with ALL the senate and house behind him, we have a president with NO support at all (maybe one or two senators, 5-10 reps, but nothing much).
This would be better if we had a republican house, democrat senate, and independent president, but thats ok. It's still something different. Both parties will have to work together to cancel out trump, and we should see some vicious political battles in the next few years.
A president is supposed to keep the house and senate from getting out of control, and we just nominated their biggest enemy. Should be a good four years. Hopefully trump will crack down on them like a very angry sledgehammer. Trim the corruption out of the system. He may not, but he already burned a ton of political in-roads to making alliances, so I struggle to see how he will gain support in congress.
Edit 1: for clarity
Edit 2:I think people forget that he was actually a good business man, before an actor. Reality show or not, it is still acting. The man is an actor. Do not mistake the ability to look dumb on camera with actual stupidity. Most 'stupid' people on camera are the most cunning and clever. He won the election, and it seems to have all worked out the way he wanted it to so far.
This means he is not likely surrounding himself with 'yes' men. Just people who disagree with your world view. (I don't know, just conjecture)
And remember that all of those GOP house members are going to be for reelection in two years.
Now they can defy Trump all they want, but that might not play too well to GOP voters.
taldarus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lose in Casino industry? Not sure, by not being a crook?
While they will be up for re-election. It is in two years. I seriously doubt the party has lost that much cohesion.
Trump may gain ground on the republican side, but honestly, the infighting would probably lead to a democratic push. The GOP can't afford to be weak, but career politicians clearly don't like Trump.
In about two years, probably they will play nice, pretend like they are all friends with Trump (assuming he maintains popularity) until election is over. Then back to a hostile footing. Public needn't know, and wont care because country will probably be looking pretty good.
Unfortunately, Trump will get all the glory for that, but that's how the system is set to work...
Pro-Trump GOP will think the party is changing, and be happy.
Anti-Trump GOP may jump ship. (I would love for this to happen)
My guess is Trump will gain a lot of minority votes. Everything I have seen about the person (not in media, but irl) indicates he is actually very non-racist.
He wants to revise immigration laws and crack down on security, but also free people from h1's. We might see a swing for improved quality of life on lower class demographics. If Trump is smart, he can get a huge number of minority votes. (Obama proves the 'minorities' aren't that minor)
At the same time, he will gain ground with the 'fringe' Republicans by increasing security. So he will gain voter support there.
However, he will also make inroads into the more conservative democratic party.
If Trump does what I have seen him do so far, he will probably gain 20% of the minority/democrat votes, lose 20-30% of the die-hard Republicans, while cementing the fringe elements. Comes away with the next election in another landslide.
All in all, Trump just has to keep the boat a float, do his job, and fullfill enough of his promises (probably when the Republicans are playing nice in two years) to show he did 'something' and people will swing his way.
I am not holding my breath, but we will see. Might get lucky and see a major schism in the GOP in four years, probably wont. Was hoping we would see the birth of a third party, but looks like the system was too durable for Trump.
Republicans and Democrats like the status quo, and my guess is they are going to focus entirely on damage control. They, like most people, see the 'actor Trump' and underestimate him. They already did it once at the primary, and then AGAIN at the election. Hopefully, they have learned their lessons and wont underestimate him again...
That would be the real variable, if Trump suckers them. We could easily see the GOP shatter. BUt again, if they are THAT stupid, I don't think they should be in office...
mmmcarbs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is weirdly comforting. All of these stories are. I haven't come across negative one yet. I said to my bf over and over, I really hope this is a facade to excite and rouse a certain group of people, ruffle some feathers, get noticed and that now that he's in, he will actually use the win to do something good. The alternative is terrifying but these stories are really comforting.
Trump owns a golf resort in Scotland not far from my home, and he was speaking at a chambers of commerce meeting a couple of years ago, catered by students of the local cookery college, of which I was one - we did little canapes and nibbles, nothing major, but he popped in and thanked us for our efforts and said he enjoyed the food, which was nice of him.
I don't like some of his stances on different issues, but that doesn't mean he can't be a nice guy.
arcanascu ยท 2293 points ยท Posted at 21:02:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is actually really nice. All the stuff I've seen on him have painted him as a maniac, and the presidential debates didn't really help that impression in my mind. It's nice to see stories of him being a real person.
Flynamic ยท 736 points ยท Posted at 21:07:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I want to like Donald Trump. He seems fun and interesting. Maybe he likes to present himself as an asshole in public for attention only.
Yes, I believe everything he did was very deliberate. He needed to draw attention to himself and reframe the relevant conversation for this election. He used every opportunity to yell as loud as possble, and this got him more media coverage than any other candidate could have dreamt of.
MrMytie ยท 559 points ยท Posted at 21:40:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of me thinks that if he ran a normal, civilised campaign from the start he would never have got near finishing line.
[deleted] ยท 469 points ยท Posted at 22:38:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell no. He wouldn't have made it past the primaries. If he did anything but double down on the crazy he would have washed out in weeks.
To an extent. He played a beautiful strategy to get himself what he wanted. At what price to public and social discourse? Not to say that he himself is responsible for it. Media were happy to roll in the shit.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That wasn't fair to you. But on the flip side, I would try to speak with someone voting for Trump, and I would get "Clinton is a Satan worshiper." Where do you go from there?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Theyve been aweful for decades. I'm sorry to hear about your friends asking you to apologize for not voting for her. Abosolutely ridiculous. The left's blindness to how theyre used and abused by the DNC leadership is just astonishing. I hope they begin to wake up to that, once they do they should apologize to you.
But There's no way to know that so I'd not consider it. But it seems the racist narrative is institutionalized with even rational people, whereas the Satanist thing reasonable people know that that isn't something to judge on
TGNK87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Because we have to chase him. Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now, so we'll hunt him. Because he can take it, because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a Dark Knight."
He didn't push it, it just shifted from cop shoots black dude to how Trump will destroy the country because that let them incorporate other groups into the tensions.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:41:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. If nothing else, he'll lead like a motherfucker. Where he leads everyone is anyone's guess, but he'll damn sure get us there XD
What, you think he didn't say those things? Which are hyperlinked to the source?
I picked a random well-known outlet, it's not hard to find the racist and sexist remarks, blatant disregard for the law, the hundred of times he tweeted that climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese, etc...
But that's the really terrifying part. It's not whether Trump is or isn't this insane dude, it's that almost half of American voters were responsive not to policy, not to reason, but to insanity.
I like the gist of Trump's campaign. It doesn't break down until we get to details. It's almost like rooting for a sports team: he's the only candidate loudly saying we are the best, we can be the best. Policy and everything else follows the mission statement, and can be nitpicky and counterintuitive to a lot of people. Voting for mission alone, I would have voted Trump.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:23:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really terrifying, everyone already knows this. If anything it's reassuring because it shows that he has his finger on the pulse of the nation, and is intelligent enough to win over and hold the attention of so many people. How many quiet, reserved, highly intelligent and logical people win elections? They don't, so I would never trust a person like that as president because they don't understand how to appeal to people, and that alone demonstrates a lack of intelligence and a lack of pragmatism.
You can't just take random loud nutjobs and have them run for president, people aren't just voting on that basis. They already know what policy they believe in and it doesn't take much time to recognize which candidate is most in line with their beliefs. What they're looking for is a person that they believe will actually follow through on his policy and who they feel they can trust. They want to know that he can air all of these views publicly with overwhelming confidence so that he doesn't backtrack or become paralyzed by criticism.
The whole act is mostly just to gain attention. Any voters that he won over, or who he convinced to vote for the first time in a long while, caught onto him because he made himself a presence.
How many quiet, reserved, highly intelligent and logical people win elections?
Obama did it twice.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:27:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama may be privately very reserved and quiet, but apparently so is Trump. What matters is their public presentation and Obama is definitely not reserved and quiet in public.
The whole act is mostly just to gain attention. Any voters that he won over, or who he convinced to vote for the first time in a long while, caught onto him because he made himself a presence.
But that's the really terrifying part. It's not whether Trump is or isn't this insane dude, it's that almost half of American voters were responsive not to policy, not to reason, but to insanity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No you misunderstand, I mean he caught their attention.
Yes, he caught their attention with insanity. That's the problem. Insanity is what people pay attention to, it's what sells, it's what people trust and believe in.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part about that is the implication of it: that we still haven't found where that "too far" line is, so in the near future we'll be pushing it even further.
I think you guys are really missing the reason he got elected. Trump supporters never really took the outlandish things that he said seriously to the point where that was the ultimate goal.
Where you heard "Stop all Muslim immigration" they heard, we're going to call the terrorists what they are and push back against it. I'm not saying that was the right view to have, but I don't know a single Trump supporter (I'm from Iowa, there are a lot) who really hates (insert marginalized group here).
I know a lot of Trump supporters who didn't even endorse him, they just wanted the Supreme Court to stay conservative. Just like with every story the crazies on either side control the discourse.
Member when Trump supporters were saying he wasn't serious? I member.
The people trust him to do those things, just without being that brash. Instead of a wall it might be a secure border patrol agency.
Also, most of the people I know, regardless of political affiliation, begrudgingly took themselves to the polls and voted for their candidate. I don't know many people in my county in Iowa who were really enthused about Trump, but they just hated Hillary more.
This is the only sentence that is needed to explain Trump's victory.
Bizarre explanations about him having a mind connection with his voters where "they understood what he meant" (when the man himself doesn't even understand what he's saying most of the time) are every bit as convoluted as they are unnecessary.
No, you don't get it. you're assuming what he says is not what he wants. For some reason. You're assuming that that's a good thing.
Also, most of the people I know, regardless of political affiliation, begrudgingly took themselves to the polls and voted for their candidate. I don't know many people in my county in Iowa who were really enthused about Trump, but they just hated Hillary more.
Which is also a valid reason.
Sure, if your idea of taking someone seriously is to ignore what they say in favor of what you think they're saying or what you want to believe they mean.
you're acting like the difference is what he might realistically accomplish vs what he wants to accomplish when my point is that if you can't trust his past actions or his words, what insane basis are you using to predict him?
Honestly in politics it's always like that, isn't it? Even things you hold as rational can have a huge emotional and irrational component. IMO it was just less subtle this time
That's a huge generalization of Trump voters. I know many of whom researched his policies despite the media's distortions, exaggerations and embellishments, and supported them. You can't paint half the country with the same brush and say they're only swayed by extreme rhetoric.
And I, unfortunately, know many who hold deeply racist, homophobic and sexist beliefs, and based their vote on theories like Clinton is a murderer, Satan worshiper, and rapist.
And I also have been trying to unravel and research Trump's policies, and so far, I'm not seeing anything beneficial to middle class Americans, small business owners, the working poor, anyone other than large businesses really.
badgyalal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm sorry that you have people in your life who hold those discriminatory beliefs. To be frank I don't care about your opinion on his policies, that's irrelevant. You're dismissing half of American voters as being uninformed about his policies, or disregarding his policies, just because you don't agree with them. This just perpetuates the divide and animosity between liberals and conservatives.
That's a huge generalization of Trump voters. I know many of whom researched his policies despite the media's distortions, exaggerations and embellishments, and supported them.
I don't know if you meant that to be reassuring, but it's not.
I only pointed out the gross generalization that all Trump supporters responded to "insanity" and not his policies. This only facilitates the divide between liberals and conservatives. Everyone had reasons behind their casted vote, many of which who were very informed, and who were not racist/misogynistic/xenophobic etc.
That's what happens when people feel a sense of desperation and hopelessness. They'll use any tool they can to jam up the machine. Trump just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
Or maybe they were tired of being played by Obama? I'm a legal immigrant and am tired of people sneaking in with their 5 kids each and living on my dime while it took us tons of effort, going to interviews, etc to become Americans.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've talked to tons of Trump supporters and many of them honestly think of him as a secret democrat. I think (and hope) that the more diehard fans get a rude awakening come January
It seems to me that the best way to get what you want is to yell really loud. There will be people who agree with you no matter what you say, as long as you're the loudest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a thing called the mere exposure effect. You tend to trust things you've been exposed to before.
Or a reality tv show; everyone likes to root for a jerk because a jerk can break social mores and get away with it, something people secretly (or not) envy. It's why we like characters like House and Archer.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it's good marketing
abdomino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tittoast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:34:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read his book "Crippled America" or even "Art of The Deal".
He states in the former, "there's ten boring guys on a stage- how do you stand out? Shock."
Hell, the wall is taken directly from art of the deal. "We are building a wall, mexico will pay for it" everyone's so riled up over the making Mexico pay for it part, no one doubts the wall, its accepted as fact. First lesson of the art of the deal.
Skias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I think too. I can imagine planning a strategy against Hillary who has a reputation as a cheater, the next best thing he could do was say extreme things to rally the extreme right to his side. Then just do what he wants after he wins. I think Trump identifying as a democrat especially backs this theory. His family has shown open hatred for the KKK. I don't think extremists have caught on that he might not like them as much as they think.
That's true. He had to play the part people wanted to see. I think you're going to see a difference in the way he acts now that the election is over. Hopefully we'll see more of this Donald Trump.
MrMytie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, come January he is no longer Donald Trump, he is the president. He cannot get away with saying the things he said when that happens. He also cannot do what wants. It will be interesting to see him fulfil that character.
They even said at one point Hilary hoped the other guy would get the nomination; She (let's be real, her campaign staff) knew the normal playbook inside and out. There's no playbook to counter a Trump candidate.
Probably not. If the elections came down to issues and who had the best plan to meet them, Trump would have gotten obliterated. Donald Trump is not a politician, has no experience, and as such had no hope to compete with Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich and the like - to say nothing of Hillary Clinton.
So Trump instead concentrated on an aspect where he did have an advantage over his opponents: emotions. Trump could inspire reactions in people - positive or negative - in a way that none of his opponents could (except maybe for Clinton, but unfortunately for her, the strong emotions she inspired were mostly negative ones). So Trump stayed as far away from the issues as he could and focused on getting reactions from people. And now, he's President-elect.
And this is the problem that has always plagued modern society: negative news and conflict sells.
To make a non-television example, would people rather read an encyclopedia/dictionary or a story with conflict?
MrMytie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fear is a great motivation for change. What would more likely get people to listen d take action? "ISIS are going to kill you and Mexicans are gonna rape you" or "your family is safe and you have a decent job, plus Friends is on in an hour."
Watching the 60 Minutes Interview as President-elect he said something about being a naturally somber person and that being like that is a lot easier for him than being an loud and exaggerated person.
My first thought was, oh so you can do everything. But now it's more like, oh yeah you are a man playing the character of Donald Trump.
I feel like anyone who didn't pick up on this right away, at the beginning of the election, was really, really, obtuse or out of touch. It was pretty apparent from day one that he was playing a character, and all sincerity was stored away.
For far less money spent, which gave him another talking point. I got x results by spending y, look at candidate z over there spending so much money and getting no results. He even used that argument to knock a candidate or two out in the primary if I remember correctly
75Zack75 ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 21:36:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most notably Jeb Bush. Jeb had money similar to Hillary Clinton in the primary. This would've likely been a Bush vs. Clinton election if it weren't for Trump coming in and turning the election on its head.
Qel_Hoth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:45:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also suspected this, and his speech after he won pretty much confirmed it for me. That was not the same person I had watched in the previous year's primaries and debates.
It really did work him wonders. I just wish he'd be more vocal in shooting down some of the anti-whatever stuff he stirred up in the process. His 60 minutes interview was a start, but I wish he'd do more.
But that in itself is really not ok though. Even if the racist, sexist, climate change denying bigot thing was an act, he has still made it okay for people who do really believe these things to act on them. He has legitimized it. I think anyone doing that purely for political gain is no longer a nice guy by default.
You're absolutely right. He followed a playbook to a T of how to draw attention and generate enthusiasm. Political bias aside it was honest a masterclass of how to weave through our political system.
I don't think people realized this. He knew being basically insane would captivate people. He's just actually really really smart...
kosh56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not trying to argue with you, but why is he still doing some of that stuff then? He still can't control himself
on Twitter. That is Trump, not candidate Trump.
Oh, and if the Dems had put up someone remotely likeable there is a good chance he would have been beaten badly.
I feel like he's grown quieter since he won the election. I think you're spot on.
amaxen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in some ways he reminded me at times of playing the 'heel' in professional wrestling. He has a long association with that group as I understand it.
I agree that everything he did was deliberate. That's why I think he's probably a sociopath. You can't pull off an act like that without constantly being aware of how your perceived and controlling every interaction to ensure that that's how you're perceived. That makes you a sociopath. Normal people aren't capable of having that much control in their interactions with others. Normal people aren't able to fake a whole persona like that for months.
See, I think it's the exact opposite. I think he simply lacks any semblance of political tact, hence the litany of ridiculous quotes.
When his team realized it was working, they jumped on it, and their primary advice to Trump thereafter was, "just be yourself!"
That's also why I don't think he's maliciously racist. He's just a dope. He surrounded himself with maliciously racist people (like Bannon) because no one else would touch him. And now he's just rewarding their loyalty.
Disastrous, sure, but I think people are giving Trump and his team far too much credit. I don't think there was ever much foresight in his campaign.
He literally wrote a book, 29 years ago, about the tactics he used to win the election.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really, was there a chapter in there about revealing that you sexual assault women? What was the strategy behind having your staff taking control of your twitter account because you seemingly can be trusted with it?
Were all these apparent mistakes just to lull us into a false sense of security?
The word you're looking for is libel, actually. And come on; even the most ardent Trump supporters have raised an eyebrow at the Bannon appointment.
Flynamic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I also thought about. If he is Putin's puppet (which so far should be obvious), then he is probably played by his loyal Republicans as well. It's all about power, except for Trump himself. For him, it's his ego, or the belief he can get anything he wants.
temalyen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
more media coverage than any other candidate could have dreamt of.
This is partly due to the DNC. They made arrangements for him to get extra media time, with the hopes of him becoming the GOP candidate. They were figuring Hillary would win in a landslide against him. No, didn't quite work out that way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC aren't in charge of the media. He got more coverage than other candidates because he kept saying outrageous things.
chasmccl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he got more coverage than any other candidate because everyone in America was watching whenever the media ran stories on him. Viewership is money for them. Donald Trump sold, and we were the ones buying it. It wasn't a conspiracy. The truth is we got what we voted for with our dollars...
Read The Art Of The Deal, he's practically Sun Tzu mixed with Conan The Barbarian when he's in business mode, as the referential title would suggest. If there's something he wants he'll do whatever it takes to get it, and have the weeping families of his vanquished foes paraded before him.
Flynamic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:37:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, I actually wanted to order that book today along with a cap as a joke present.
Honestly, it's a good book. There's a reason why it was (and still is?) a bestseller. It's genuinely insightful, if a bit goofy to read after the events of the election.
I really thought most everyone knew that he did NOT write the book... or had much to do with it (as in sharing his wisdom, knowledge, etc.) Whatever you are impressed by in the book, it isn't Trump.
And yet he as a political hobbyist managed to capture the highest office of the land. Obviously had nothing to do with his relentless, vicious, total war campaign against Hillary. Obviously TAOTD is guff, right?
It's like working hard to build skills right? Say learning to code. It's not like once you learn C++ you instantly get hired by Facebook, but rather than you start putting yourself in more situations with the right background to end up landing software engineering positions, until after a series of "accidents" you end up working for Facebook (or whatever goal you might have).
pecuchet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, he did things to maximise his chances and so that when opportunities arose he could take advantage, but there are some things, like if The Democratic Party colluded against the candidate who could have beaten Trump, that he had no control over, barring some sort of super-conspiracy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Facebook would hire me if I bragged about sexual assault during the interview. Unfortunately the American public are not as discerning as Facebook's HR department.
Public position: pompous, arrogant cheeto. Private position: boss who actually goes out of his way to show even the little guys his appreciation for their efforts
He literally wrote in his books that creating abrasive public personae to garner attention is a highly effective branding tool... his win seems to indicate that he was correct.
Hmm, interesting idea. I'm sure some TV exec might propose it at some point. Could he be on the show while being POTUS?
mapere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:20:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also think Hillary really did bring out an anger in him. I think he felt like she shouldn't even be able to run. The fact that she could have easily won bothered him to no end.
I disagree with him on most things, and he's said some stupid stuff, but I'm willing to bet that if almost anyone else were in his position, born into riches, inherited an empire, had everything in life handed to them on a silver platter and eventually became the President of the United States, the most powerful person in the world, I'm willing to bet that if almost anyone else had lived a life that privileged they would be a way bigger asshole.
For someone who has lived a life so disconnected from the real world I'm always surprised when I watch old interviews with him and from the stories in this thread as well at how down to earth and genuinely quite friendly he seems in real life. Perhaps he's had a lot of training but I hope that he's a good person at heart and believes that what he's doing is for the greater good, even if he is completely wrong about a lot of stuff.
His father was well off when Trump was a kid but he was still only building middle income housing. He wasn't building multimillion dollar projects at the time.
Alright but my point is it's hard not to be obnoxious when, everything you've ever wanted or dreamed about, you got it. Made billions of dollars as a businessman and own multiple hotels, resorts and real estate? Check. Become a worldwide celebrity and TV personality? Check. Banged countless models and smokin hot chicks? Check. Become the president of the most powerful country in the world? Check. I'm surprised his ego isn't bigger than Kanye's and Justin Bieber's combined.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because someone is born into wealth doesn't mean they're disconnected from reality. You're painting him like some dumb millionaire playboy, which isn't the case at all here.
Maybe he likes to present himself as an asshole in public for attention only.
In his book about it, apparently Trump flat-out says that he intended to say controversial shit in order to stand out during the debates.
I haven't read the book. I don't know if that is true. I'm only repeating what I seen mentioned 3x now on Reddit.
ZoqY ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the interview with Trump's butler. Basically, he says Trump is one of the most generous people he knows, he just has high standards for things and doesn't care about what he says. After a while you realize Trump only says certain things that sound harsh, but he doesn't personally think it is harsh.
Erodos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Kanye method. Ye's also supposed to be a really nice guy in private
What about his very public horrible business practices?
murphykp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he likes to present himself as an asshole in public for attention only.
At what point does this actually make a person an asshole, though? If he's being disingenuous about who he really is in public, he's alienating a fucking ton of very frightened Americans in doing so.
If his base thinks "Aw shucks, he's a nice guy, he's just doing this as an act!" then there's no harm in dropping it at this point, is there?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever seen any of the Ironman movies and cheered for Tony Stark?
murphykp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Donald Trump is no Tony Stark. Tony Stark is a character in a movie who does superhero stuff, like saving the world. Donald Trump is a real man, who is now (arguably) one of the most powerful men on the planet. His words actually have impact. He should be careful to watch them more closely.
That said, if we're fantasizing about Trump as a MARVEL character, Trump is more like a Justin Hammer. Or maybe a less impressive Kingpin.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to think this about assholes. That they were assholes only for show. I've come to realize that most assholes are just assholes by nature. Everyone has their occasional nice moments. Doesn't make them any less of an asshole. Even Hitler had a nice moment here and there when he wasn't genociding his way through Europe (yes, Godwin's law, i know)
Flynamic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or he is only nice to people "in person", and when he speaks at rallies or rants on Twitter, he does not care or know about the consequences of his words and actions. An asshole who wants to be good with his audience only.
Could this be due to him not having backbone? I mean, I know a handful of people who are just afraid of being mean to someone's face despite being big shit talkers
It is going to be hilarious if he turns out to be a hard-left socialist, or even just an absurdist troll, who figured out that he could ride the Angry White Bigot vote into office and then do whatever the hell he pleased for four years.
I don't really expect it, but it would be hilarious.
Tbkiah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a little bit him being a bit arrogant added to the fact the media wants to demonize him. They show everything bad and don't report on the good.
There's a reason we tend to focus on the worst things people do and say, because it says the most about them. Chris Brown, Mel Gibson, Anthony Weiner, Larry Craig, John Edwards, and so on, all had plenty of positive interactions with people too.
It's a fact that Trump stiffed charities and lied about it; that's a bit more important than the news that he doesn't spit on poors. Also, you should realize that none of the stories presented here have been vetted/researched or proven in the same way those many 'demonizing' news stories were.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When has he presented himself as an asshole? Genuine question, non-US citizen here. Just seems like he says some things some people disagree with (building a wall, etc.) Has he actually said anything dickhead-ish during his campaigning speeches?
Read "making America great again". Everything he did in his campaign was described along with the reasoning behind it. You're right, it was to get attention
FauxReal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only actual assholes didn't see it as validation.
You do have to ask yourself: would he have won the Rebublican nomination if he had come in with the "nice guy" act?
Willzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ignore the clickbait title but this video shows how he acted before running for president. I'm assuming he puts on a front and didn't suddenly change a year ago.
Bear in mind that during the construction of the golf course mentioned, he tried to force a family out of their home by putting fences and plants around their property and interfering with their water and electricity supplies.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he also sexually assualts people. But yeah, he seems cool apart form that.
Flynamic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. But we can't be mad at him for that forever! He's the president after all!
great,Ithrewupinmymouthagain.
ROK247 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
plus the opposition multiplying everything 1000x
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Much of America admires the idea of a macho unhinged old school tough guy, pretty sure that was what he was going for.
My parents binge-watch Fox news, and it's on at dinner, so I can't cite the source more specifically than "on fox news once"
I actually heard this host explain how the media should really read his book from way back when, because his entire run (it was primaries still) was straight out of that book. ANY media attention is good attention, even negative. He basically knows how to play the game, which he outlined in his book, and did just that to get elected.
I really don't think a guy that actually behaves and thinks like he acts on TV would have gotten to where he has.
Bayerrc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he's a fucking asshole. Don't let your guard down, he is a terrible person. Donald Trump is the 324th richest human being on Earth, and he donates nothing to anyone. He takes and takes and gives nothing back. He doesn't help the poor, or the dying, or anyone else for that matter.
I know what you mean. But he has done things in the past that literally prove he's a dick head so I'm not sure that's the case.
Kinoblau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is fucking nuts. What about him bragging about sexual assault and then all the women who came forward about his sexual assault?? He's a nice guy my fucking ass, all these stories are about either people in positions similar to Donald or about people he is giving money to in some way.
This is so fucking wild. I feel like I'm watching Fallon rub his fucking head again. You know this man just appointed a fucking anti-semite white supremacist as his top advisor right?? The fucking architect of the wild illegal stop and frisk and recipient of actual terrorist money is in the running for Secretary of State.
Flynamic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know. While I want to like Trump as a person, I can't for exactly these reasons. It's just important to try to look into people and maybe understand their motivations. And this thread has shown exactly why so many people like and admire Trump - it's how humans work, feelings over facts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flynamic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent video, especially the part of Hillary failing to counter the establishment accusations properly sums up the mismanagement of her campaign and the massive success of his.
diff2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the media that presents him that way, not himself. It's very easy to seem like an asshole if you have someone asking you aggressive questions to try and get you to slip up and make a big deal about how you answered them after you slipped up.
The best advice I can offer is if you want to experience this yourself is try to get into a heated argument with two or more people about anything. You need someone else to confirm what one of the persons believe to be true. That's why two is necessary. Group think logic, it makes it easier to seem to be the asshole when group think logic works against you.
Being in /r/politics has been giving me straight up anxiety, if it's this side of him that comes through and he drops some of his rumored appointees (Bannon and Prece and Guliani) then I'll be able to sleep at night. Them and his rumored SCOTUS choices...
mrsuns10 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:28:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The people in politics are straight up suggesting treason, they hate Trump that bad
The election caused both candidates to say some stupid shit. Trump isn't a rapist, hillarys campaign was quite agressive against the old guy. (Not that Hillary is any younger) Trump is a pretty compassionate guy in person. I think he will be a good fit for our society and can do well with some help.
All of the pollsters also got everything wrong. The message from the mainstream media was massively biased against him. People were told all sorts of means things about him. Rising reddit posts on /all that were pro trump disappeared. Posts in /the_donald would not make it to the front page. Trending pro Trump Twitter #'s were nuked and replaced with other #'s.
Question all of the sources of information that don't seem line up with what seems to be the reality and ask why are those people not getting their stories right.
Now we are hearing about Facebook and Google not wanting "fake news" and doing things to supress what THEY determine is "fake news". Holy control the narrative batman. Would you like someone else to determine what is BS and what isn't? Well Twitter and Facebook are big sources of info and they seem to want to get into the parsing game with what they think is relevant and not relevant to you.
This is a nice thread of him. Thanks to all for sharing. I am a fan of Trump and expected the worse when I opened this. There is a good short article about him in People magazine this week for anyone interested.
Check out his interviews from shows like Letterman dating back to the 80s. Unless I'm just gullible, he always came across as affable, funny and very intelligent/knowledgable. He even seemed relatively humble given his background and wealth and bashfully laughed off any mention of his fortune. In the more recent years he started getting a little more...unhinged... talking about "scrubbing coal" etc. but I couldn't help but like him in the earlier years.
Look, there is propaganda on each side. I can't stand so, so many things about what he stands for, but I'm certain he's not the devil. In fact, Trump and the Clinton's were very friendly at one point. Maybe not friends, but friendly.
The problem with today's society is that a) misinformation runs rampant. B) we live in our own little echo chambers where we can tune out the news we don't want and completely surround ourselves with what we WANT to see. C) there is very little middle ground these days. Your choices are one extreme or the other. If you want a middle ground, you're seen as indecisive and weak. And 4) people immediately accept what they're presented without taking the time to do any digging into what is being presented to them. Whether any of it is true or more of the unlimited propaganda and lies created by the millions of available websites.
I can't stand the man, but he probably falls somewhere between the devil and an angel.
Eh. I've played golf with one of his childhood friends... He described trump as the most arrogant guy in the world? There are a ton of stories about him in both directions.
I choose to belong he is who he has said he is over the past fifteen months. If nothing else, he's fanned the flames of racism.
My concern with him is more how easily baited he is... I think it opens our country up to another terrorist attack and gives the Republicans an excuse to go even more conservative than they did with nine eleven.
He might be fine, though. I don't know him or what he plans to do. His transition and tweets since winning have not impressive me.
Kyoraki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't. Trust. The. Media.
People should have learned this after Bernie went through the exact same treatment to prop Hillary up.
There was a nice documentary about Romney after the 2012 election that was on netflix. After watching it it really made me think about media, and the portrayals of people as Romney was not painted very kindly during that election.
Darathin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My worry it's that he is nice, well-intended...., and believes every headline he sees on social media. Sure, your grandmother/grandfather might be our have been wonderful people, but age and fear-driven belief also leads them to believe and say hateful and harmful things. Difference is, Trump now has power to act on it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC he was Time Person of the Year runner up two years ago.
Kind of impressive to only hear good stories. And furthermore fascinating that these stories paint such a different picture than what people who've worked with Hillary have said about her.
joeysuf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's politics, he had to appeal to the extreme right to get a nomination. Even then, he was going to run third party which would've split the party horribly. So just because the media paints him in a negative light, doesn't necessarily mean he's a horrible person.
I expected half of the responses to be, "He's a horrible pompous douche," and the other have to be, "He's an angel sent down from above." So I'm surprised that it's all been positive so far, but I still have quite a bit of scrolling to do yet.
Watch old interviews from late 80s early 90s. He was a soft spoken gentle dude who really seemed to care about poor people in the inner cities. Everyone freaking out really should watch them and take a bit of a chill pill.
Every single story I've heard or read (almost all of them post-election) describe him as an unusually personable guy who goes out of his way to make sure people know their work is appreciated. And it seems he does with people who's jobs are at every level, and always has. It wasn't just for show during the race.
Don't forget the time when he bragged about sexually assaulting people. It's possible to be nice or polite to people and still be a completely shitty person.
i dont wholly agree with him, and will admit that he got kind of rambunctious in the debate, but that made me like him more. it was nice to see someone who at least tried to seem as if they were passionate about the issues they were discussing. Good president, or bad president, one thing for sure, Trump loves America.
I've been having the same reaction. It's good to humanize the guy, you know? Sure, I have my doubts about his capabilities as POTUS but I had doubts about Clinton as well, just not as severe. Guess we just need to see where he goes with it.
He tapped into the anger of the country at the government. Him yelling at Clinton might as well be a huge allegory for the American people giving the middle finger to the government.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but - to be fair - whenever they catch a serial killer the neighbors almost always say 'that's crazy, he always mowed his lawn and seemed like a nice guy.'
I have a theory about this, but it's wishful thinking and completely off the wall. The theory is that Donald Trump is a nice person and he only said all that stuff about minorities/Clinton/Rosie to win votes, and he will abandon a lot of his policies very very quickly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Judging by this thread. He seems pretty polite and laid back for the most part. A bit reserved and likes to pay with exact change.
Pinecone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have time read about all the threads on Reddit about previous encounters with presidents and they are all like this. Obama, Bush, Bill Clinton.... They all say the presidents are just legitimately nice people who are incredibly intelligent and amazing at remembering things about people. You may not like their politics but if you really sit down and have a chat with them their charisma will probably win you over.
This is about how they act off camera of course. On camera is a different story.
evesea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its politics. Its the job of the opposition to completely and utterly destroy the image of the other side. Sometimes its justified, sometimes it's not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't get the impression that he was a maniac from the debates?
"Wrong!"
"Such a nasty, nasty woman."
Maweedug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like hitler walking his dog in the woods, or pol pot playing cards with his pals...
Does any of this matter, though? I don't care how nice he is in person if he urges people to beat up protestors at his rallies and he picks a nut job alt-right blowhard as his transition team chief. Everybody here is like "oh yeah he shook my hand and said a nice thing in 2004" but who cares how nice a sociopath is capable of being if they're willing to gaslight half of america in a bid for the presidency?
Avvikke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I admit I didn't do a ton of research going into the election.
If you look up some of the things he's done, the guy seems very gracious, extremely generous and just a very compassionate man. I was really surprised by some of things he's done for people he easily could have ignored. Every worker that's dealt with him has nothing but high praise.
The media definitely painted a terribly inaccurate picture of Mr. Trump.
His kids are also incredibly articulate, intelligent and every bit as generous.
Part of the problem is that you've probably never heard his side of the story. Just about every media outlet was against him, so what you know of him comes from his detractors.
micmea1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the problem with our media and a society wrapped up in it. Trump may have said some shitty things. Hilary made some big errors with her emails. Both of these people are still people. They aren't super villains or demons or (if you look at people like Bernie) super heroes. They are people and people tend to generally be somewhat decent. Most people agreed after G.W Bush got out of office that he was a nice enough guy, just supported policies they didn't agree with.
Trump has a media persona that is likely very different from his personal life. People come to threads like this expecting to see him kicking puppies and raping women.
It's important to remember that Trump is a performer, so it can be difficult to determine how much of that insane maniac you see on screen is the real him and how much of it is (pun intended) Trumped up for ratings.
i think something that a lot of people don't realize is that what someone says at debates and rallies doesn't necessarily equal how someone really acts, or what they're personality is like.
I am actually friends with one of his former staff members at Mar-A-Lago. Friend always said Trump was nice and fairly good at remembering/recognizing staff members and saying hello even years after they left. But also that many employees were here illegally. Friend didn't vote for him.
lolatu54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like Trump has his own CTR staff posting on reddit too (disclaimer: I don't actually believe this).
The Neo-lib and Neo-con consensus are working overtime with the hyperbole. I have disliked Trump since the 80s (same with the Clintons) but people are literally referring to his election as our "Krystalnacht". Social media is manipulating people more than they realize.
B0ssc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this thread is actually really nice.
The public representations of Mr Trump have mellowed noticeably as cognitive dissonance takes effect.
To be fair he is a brand, being personable is very much his thing.
It's how he got so much support, being (genuinely or not) interested and taking time goes a long way to getting people to like you. So if I where a cynic I would say he makes an effort to come over well all the time.
ChuqTas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this top posts in this thread will feature in the mainstream media in a few days time...
It's actually starting to dash my hopes of a Mad-Max style dystopia rising up south of the border. :(
sobrique ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to wonder if that's just some really shrewd gamesmanship. As in - he looks in detail at it, and decided that his 'spouting off and blathering' sort of campaign was by far the best way to avoid getting crucified on 'hard' issues, rather than being a sincere sort of thing.
And if having someone who could sneak into the Whitehouse convincing the world he's a maniac, but actually isn't, would be a net improvement or not.
Rich, successful people don't get that way by alienating everyone they come across. They are all capable of putting on a good face in public (at least occasionally), no matter how surly or arrogant they may be in private.
Except Chevy Chase, I'm pretty sure he's just the world's biggest asshole.
i think this goes to show how much control of the media that is used when there is an election.
rvf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, most of the stuff you've seen about him is in relation to business partners and/or rivals, and these stories are about random encounters with anonymous people. Most of the bad stories about Trump are focused on his reaction to criticism. You can be a thin skinned reactionary without also being a raging misanthrope.
It's hard to be cordial to someone who viciously slanders you and your family.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both sides portrayed the other as this evil being. People were calling Hillary a witch and shit like that. People called Obama the Anti Christ for the entirety of both his terms. It's pretty common to demonize an opponent, it makes it easier to attack them.
Ramennov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:41 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in the summer I'd read how Trump helped 200 marines stranded at an airport by providing his own private plane. These anecdotes were out there during the election season, albeit not pushed by mainstream news. More than anything Trump's said or done, I feel media were largely to blame for not giving Trump a fair shake.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:20 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never trust corporate-owned media, no matter if they're elevating or denigrating someone. They have an agenda; everything is tainted.
Everybody on the Trump Train has been saying this for months. Once you unplug from the mainstream media and the CTR shills at r/politics, it becomes clear.
It is true that most of the really awful stuff wasn't that awful in context. His policies are atrocious but don't forget that of course he's gonna look like Super Mega Hitler if all your information comes from left-leaning sources. :P
fredemu ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:11:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the things I genuinely like about Trump, fully aside from any policy or politics, is that he seems to genuinely have respect for the "blue collar" people he runs in to on a day to day basis. He seems like the kind of guy that exchanges pleasantries/small talk with his security, drivers, etc, and doesn't treat servers/cashiers/etc like they're "beneath" him.
You can learn a lot about a person by how they treat people they could get away with being an ass to. Trump seems (much like Obama) to be a good person.
Reminds of George W. Bush and how he was hailed as the devil himself back when the Afghan and Iraq war started. Today you can see hes a regular dude that likes to hang out on his ranch.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:00:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a person you could have a beer with does not mean they're a good leader by any metric.
Honestly, my personal experience with people is that nice != Good person. My family would qualify as incredibly "nice" to most people, but they're also racist/sexist/unreasonably religious.
Realizing good PR opportunities isn't necessarily the same as being a "nice guy" he is his brand and he tries to maintain it.
I don't say this as a counter-assertion to the claim that he is a nice guy, I just want to remind people that you only really know people when the face adversity of some kind and you see how they handle it and how they treat others during the situation.
foxh8er ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been known not to pay many of the people he contracts out to.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:11:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No but maybe it would change your tone of voice. He was being nice, no quotation marks, to more than just "servants," including random people on the street like that one person who bumped into him while not paying attention.
Pretty much everybody who has actually met him has had a positive experience in this thread. While we shouldn't minimize the bad that he's said, we also should not minimize the good he has done.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Basic courtesy is good and no it doesn't there are people here saying themselves that they don't agree with his policies or the things he's said but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate the guy not being an asshole to others
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wait, this can't be true?
mvsr990 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, what means he can't be a nice guy is systematically discriminating against black renters, raping Ivana Trump, peeping on teenage beauty contestants naked, that sort of thing, before we even get into his campaign.
xteve ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The question then becomes how much it's worth to be a nice guy when you propound hateful ideas and incite racism, homophobia and sexism.
Bayerrc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:23:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being polite to strangers does not make you a nice guy. When you lie about donating money and spread a message of intolerance and racism, it's pretty clear that you are indeed not a nice guy. When you make fun of women for gaining weight and call them miss piggy, when you say you hate having black people touch your money, when you say that laziness is just a trait of black people and they can't help it, when you claim the president couldn't possibly be American because he's a black man, when you go to charity events for sick people for the photo op and never actually donate money to it... The list keeps going like that. In fact, Trump is the least charitable billionaire in America. The man has billions of dollars and doesn't put any of it to anything but himself - and we elected him president thinking he would benefit the world somehow.
Depends on your definition of "nice." There are serial killers who are very kind to their neighbors. Is he actually planning on doing all the things he promised in the race? I have no idea. I don't think anyone really does.
TThor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:12:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't this the same golf resort where Trump has campaigned strongly against wind energy, because the turbines were near the resort?
jaxxon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KrabbHD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was nice to kids and loved dogs. Hitler also gassed 6 million Jews in extermination camps. But that's his stance on an issue, and we're not judging him by that. Therefore he's nice.
sodabutt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was charismatic and charming in person, by most accounts. People melted around him and felt appreciated and listened to. Seriously.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Hitler also authorised the murders of millions of people and invaded numerous countries in pursuit of German imperialism and Aryan superiority.
Trump wants to protect US industry, reduce terrorism and strengthen the U.S-Mexico border.
Anyone trying to compare the two is a biased, melodramatic prat and virtually anything they say regarding politics should be viewed with healthy skepticism.
KrabbHD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:04:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump also wants to expand the torture programme, preemptively imprison Muslims (unconstitutional), force the US military to commit war crimes because he's a leader, etc.
Hitler protected German industry and created millions of jobs, lifting the country out of a massive depression and restored German pride.
I mean, I can frame things too. Doesn't make either of them good people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he will do that, I disagree.
But how about we wait to see what he does and then criticise and oppose him instead of jumping at assumptions.
And yes if Hitler had managed to avoid all the war and killing he'd of been a popular and successful leader? I'm not exactly disputing that I'm disputing the other way round.
KrabbHD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:28:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's his platform man. Expect him to do it. If you vote for him, you vote for his platform and America voted for him
cinepro ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:36:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read one of those books where Secret Service agents dish on how past Presidents and First Ladies treat them. Some are great (Ronald Reagan and the Obamas), some not so great (Nancy Reagan and Hillary Clinton). It was good to see Trump's acceptance speech where he specifically thanked the Secret Service.
Sawses ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:59:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've learned that, if there's one thing that's always worth the effort, it's being nice to people 'beneath' you. It requires almost no time or effort, no money at all, and can entirely change how everyone sees you. I can imagine that for a public figure, that benefit increases a hundredfold.
I've also heard some very negative things about that golf course project, stuff like greatly exaggerating the benefits to the community, lying about hiring locally, shady tactics to get land for it, and the like. Assuming those are true, that would seem to outweigh him being kind to the caterers (which can easily come from a place of pure self-interest and is fairly minor in the grand scheme of things).
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:27:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
during the election he went out if his way to personally thank the cops and escorting him through all the cities he visited.
Mrludy85 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:30:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He always makes it a point to thank people. On the campaign trail he would always go off to shake the hands of police officers and random people assigned to helping him out during his stay in the city
oposssom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:40:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude who ran his campaign on working class issues might actually like and respect working class people. Who'd have thunk it.
Quite a few times he went and talked to the people who couldn't make it into the rallies (overflow crowd?)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were a lot of instances during the campaign of Mr. Trump going out of his way to thank the security, caterers, staff members, etc. You just probably didn't hear about it much because 1) most of the time Trump did these acts off camera (which in my mind makes the gesture more genuine) and 2) because most of the news media was on a 24/7 Trump bash.
There's stories of him tipping members of his landscaping crew 100 dollars a piece. Going into kitchens at restaurants and handing out 100 dollar bills. Giving large sums of money to people who perform heroic deeds like 25 grand to some guy who pulled a man off the subway tracks in NYC.
I don't know when he became such a monster. He donated 25 grand to an inner city basketball program after their founder was killed in 9/11. He worked closely with Jessie Jackson and his Rainbow coalition, won the medal of honor from the Ellis Island Committee along with Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks..
But now.. He's a completely despicable hateful racist who by the way, rapes 13 year old girls.
Most of which is taken out of context. They always use certain soundbites to make him sound like a racist/sexist/xenophobe. Check this video for an example of how the media plays the audience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMsVPKL1daA
Op didn't say if he was hosting at the resort, but if he was it's being a good host and owner to thank the staff. Just because you own the place doesn't mean you're above the staff. He knows HOW to be nice to those that do well for him.
minerlj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if i went to a cookery college, EVERYONE I meet there would be catering staff....
and if I was a catering student, and was doing catering for some people coming to the school, I'd make damn sure I was there to meet with them... for networking reasons
Trump has a reputation for going out of his way to mingle with the lower rungs of his staff. It played a big part in endearing him to the working class during the election.
LX_Theo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't assume so much on motivations. Many ways that could end up like that.
There have been a bunch of people who have worked in the restaurants Trump owns in his tower who've said he sometimes came into the kitchen and just started handing everyone $100.
From what I've seen and heard from interviewers, he is actually a decent guy.... The campaign act was just that, an act. He was on TV, he is a fucking actor.
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think coz he doesn't drink it do drugs he's always in the present while others are drinking and whatever .. so he knows how to be a good showman and knows what people want and how to treat people . I also think when he's being a dick he knows it and does it with a purpose , like the campaign .. he fights hard .. I enjoyed watching him on celebrity apprentice . He's very entertaining
If you ask people who have been on his TV show The Apprentice they say this is a completely normal thing for him to do. Apparently he showed gratitude to everyone who worked on the show.
Maybe he was trying to make up for his bad reputation here? Trump has had conflict with the Scottish government and much bad press here (he opposed wind turbines being built near his golf course and made economic threats to Scotland).
AK_Happy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yawn.
ArtifexR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I don't get is, if all this is true and he goes out of his way to be nice, isn't it killing him inside to support white supremacists, misogynists, and evolution deniers, and other crazies? Like, I can believe has was doing some acting to get elected. Lots of politicians do. But, man, even the GOP doesn't want Bannon or Giuliani at the helm for major decisions.
And then you have Hillary Clinton who doesn't tip.
magenpie ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 21:02:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he treats staff (whether his own or someone else's) well - there was a story in a local paper where they interviewed a bloke who had been a butler on his yacht for a few years in the late '80s - early '90s, and he also said that Trump was always nice and polite with him and all the rest of the staff as well.
Xian9 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:45:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to meet a successful person (executive type) that wasn't very personable. I thought it just went hand in hand.
InHoc12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing you don't get to that point without being personable and likable.
Maybe less true for Trump because he inherited so much, but he still has to retain employees and gain contracts and make deals etc.
[deleted] ยท 315 points ยท Posted at 20:16:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MightyG2 ยท 261 points ยท Posted at 20:28:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm reminded of how you can tell a lot about people by the way they treat wait staff at a restaurant (or other services). By that test, sounds like Trump is a pretty damn nice and respectful guy.
SirNoName ยท 238 points ยท Posted at 20:31:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the reports from his White House visit painted him as such. Not to get too political, but his campaign was run on appealing to the angry and frustrated, so he adapted his personality to match. He's probably fairly polite and reasonable in personal conversations.
Not really troll, it was strategy. People are a mess without common goals and so he pointed out adversaries to rally against and boy was it a hype train.
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 21:04:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No that was the media.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:22:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they showed videos of him talking. Those nasty rigged media trolls.
Jive_Bob ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 21:29:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many out of context, edited, sensationalized, etc...
Sw3Et ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:32:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump says that women should be punished for having abortions"
What a load of crap.
diddly ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 21:43:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If it were illegal." Weird how that part always gets left out.
I don't think so. There are still plenty of examples of him being an asshole, he still said he can grab women by the pussy which was of course followed by numerous women coming forward with allegations that he did in fact do that. He still has those issues where he puts women down for their looks any time he is in a conflict. He still barged in on beauty pageant contestants while they were changing. He still has a lot of former employees and contract workers who say he stiffed them and told them to sue him if they didn't like it.
There are still plenty of public and private examples of him being an asshole.
But as they say, I don't believe anyone can be a dick 100% of the time.
His Rallies were pretty funny, he would joke with the audience quite a bit and lose his teleprompter line hahaha.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:58:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably a narcissist. Narcissists can be very nice and charming but if you do something to upset them, they lose their fucking shit, which some people have reported Trump doing.
I saw some Facebook thing so lord knows if it's true but one of his old drivers talked about how he'd drop him off at meetings and wait in the car. he said it wasn't uncommon to sit there for hours but many times trump would come out and say something like "hey this is going longer than I thought and I don't know when I'll be done. you mind if I have them send out a stake for you so you don't miss a meal?" . I'd true that seems like a nice thing most people wouldn't do
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MightyG2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:57:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think everyone gets that the media hated Trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, please discard all concrete evidence of Trump being unimaginably shitty because "the media hates him".
MightyG2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:56:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I get it. I'm not saying Trump is a great guy. Lots of other posts are though, posts from real people without going through the filter of a biased and corrupted media. And he could have bad days once in a while where he's a jerk, just like everyone else. But yet another media story maligning the guy in the run up to the election is not "concrete". It's just another hit piece. If you like that crap, then enjoy it. Just don't expect it to sway anyone. Those days are over.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't "yet another hit piece". It's the work of a reporter who heard Trump brag about giving millions to a veteran's charity in January, and discovered that as of May he hadn't given anything. He was then publicly maligned and called a liar, and then started digging on the claim that Trump has given "tens of millions of dollars" to charity. Trump has refused to give any evidence for that, and the reporter has found nothing besides unethical and illegal practices by the Trump Foundation.
This is journalism. Straight-up investigative journalism that showed really really shitty behavior.
Wazula42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that test factor in past claims of sexual assault?
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Trump has been known to be very generous and kind to the working man for many years. That's why these stories are so common and part of why the working class loves him.
Or maybe, he is a businessman and he doesn't rule his corporate empire alone nor does he micromanage every single aspect of it like it was StarCraft or something.
How is this completely neutral post any kind of propaganda? People like you are trying to spread your propaganda about how Trump is the devil in a thread about personal experiences with another human. Just because something has opposing views with your own doesn't mean its propaganda.
It's not the posts themselves it's all of the positive the ones which are upvoted to the top (i.e. the ones that the vast majority of people see). And the fact that this one is from someone in Scotland, a place where he is almost universally reviled, is just misleading.
The problem is that Trump is someone who's only thought of himself for his entire life. He's treated everyone, his vendors, his customers, his opponents, like without a shred of respect or decency. So to see these fucking posts ("he said thanks to me once!") is just insane.
I have read almost everyone of these posts and I have not seen one with any type of blatantly negative experience. Most, if not all, commend him for being kind, engaging, polite and more intelligent than the character portrayed in the media so if you are looking for negative comments and experiences with Trump to be upvoted to the top of the thread because of your closed minded thinking on a person you have never had any experience with, you are the one spreading propaganda. And I don't even support Trump.
To think his "character" as portrayed in the evil media is a conspiracy is laughable. How many women accusing him of harassment does it take? How about what he did to the Central Park 5? Seriously, watch the You've Been Trumped documentary and please tell me if you agree with your original post. It goes on and on and on...
The people here have "met" him in service positions or on the street or whatever for seconds at a time. He says thank you and a nice word and moves on. But he's been around for decades. We know who this man is.
Even if you don't even consider the issues or ideology, we have all we need to know he's a vile, disgusting human piece of filth, and always has been.
How many women accusing him of harassment does it take?
It takes evidence. I don't see why this concept is so difficult for your camp to accept. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Evidence, or GTFO. A false accusation is a small price to pay when deciding the leader of the free world, and to think you think that everyone else should just listen and believe is spectacular bullshit.
It's sexual harassment dipshit. What evidence are you looking for? Do you want women to wear body cameras?
Also, one more thing: you forgot the fact that HE ADMITTED HE DOES IT. Seems like a pretty solid piece of evidence that he's a garbage human being. Holy shit how much more in denial can you be??
Yeah, pretty much when you show up 20 years after the fact only when your "harasser" is running for President, I don't think you have much credibility.
We do not know anything about this person. The only thing person we know anything about is the character the media is portraying. Most of the people who accused him are simply eyewitnesses whose memory has degraded over time. There have been countless studies over the last decade proving that eyewitness accounts of anything are unreliable or blatantly false because of leading questions or the expectation of what they need to answer. Because of this thousands are convicted falsely each year because of a single person pointing and saying that's the person that did it.
Do we know if he actually did these things? No, not for sure. Does the media give half a shit about what we think? Absolutely fucking not. They will continue to portray Trump as negatively as the possibly can because that's what gets them views and if they cause half a campus of Berkeley kids rioting, they are going to fucking pat themselves on the back because they think they're doing a good job. Makes me sick.
You are correct in saying that the majority of people in this thread have only met him briefly but there are a couple with a lot more long term interactions all of which are positive and have left the impression on these people of confusion about the character portrayed during the election. There was one whose friend was on the apprentice and was approached by the media asking if Trump sexually harassed her. She said he was always professional and they moved on. There was a guy who went to high school with Trump who can only say positive things about him. Another who was in a frat with his son and frequently met Trump, and never heard anything bigoted even within the confines of the frat. Parents of a liberal elementary school say he showed up to every play exactly 1 minute late to divert attention from himself and to focus it solely on his daughter. Even they can connect the character in the political race to more reserved man they knew.
So what are we left with? We are left with the character the media wants us to believe whether it is true or false, of a man who is a racist, sexist, and xenophobic. And the actual character of the President elect which we now know nothing about.
There have been countless studies over the last decade proving that eyewitness accounts of anything are unreliable or blatantly false because of leading questions or the expectation of what they need to answer.
That is for eyewitness testimonies; it has nothing at all to do with victims. The victims themselves don't speak up for fear of retribution (a favorite tactic of Trump btw who sues any publication for defamation if they print anything negative about him). It's the same thing that happened with Cosby where once there were accusations in public, other victims felt safer to come forward.
By the way, you're forgetting one thing about the accusations of sexual harassment/assault. HE FUCKING ADMITTED IT. Jesus open your goddamn eyes. Please.
And the actual character of the President elect which we now know nothing about.
I don't get what's so hard about clicking the links I posted. There are pages of evidence, EVIDENCE, of him being all the things you said he's not.
It's not a media conspiracy. It's not. The "evil" media only helped him in the primary and general elections by amplifying his crazy behavior. That's why he got more coverage, more attention, etc.
If the media is lying about any of this, please, for the love of god, explain how.
>It's not the posts themselves it's all of the positive the ones which are upvoted to the top (i.e. the ones that the vast majority of people see)
Well thats the thing about Reddit. Set to view controversial comments if you want to see the other side of the coin.
Also, this post asked people specifically about their personal experiences of meeting Trump. It didn't ask anything about his political stances or business practices.
The one i live near is Trump Turnberry, the other end of the country from the one in the documentary. It is 200 years old. He bought it, didnt build it.
Hamza_33 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:51:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasnt there a whole documentary about Trump fucking the guy who used to own that resort over and almost costing him everything? Or am I thinking of a different golf course?
kcazduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the same golf resort in Scotland that he's apparently adding seawalls to combat the rising seas?
Kinda like when he popped into the Miss America dressing room to see if they needed anything. That was nice of him.
LJizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The building of the golf course was a pretty big issue from what I understand. I believe it was built on a SSSI (Site of Scientific Special Interest) as there were certain animals which were local only to that area. Originally the plans for the course weren't to go ahead, but Trump appealed the decision until it went to the highest court, where some claim there was an exchange of money, and all of a sudden the course was allowed to be built.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recall a few years ago there was a scuffle over Scotland wanting to build a wind farm off the coast, and Trump was attempting to stop them because it would ruin the view from his golf course...is this the same one? How did that pan out, and how did the locals really feel about it? (I no longer trust the media to give an accurate portrayal of anything)
Wasn't he hated by Scotland, especially the locals in the vicinity when he was constructing it? There was a whole documentary covering the shady things he did to make it a reality. What happened after to make them change their minds?
Sorry dude just saw your message. That was another resort in Aberdeenshire, the one im talking about was an exisiting resort in Ayrshire - no drama im aware of, although the one you sre referring to was a shitstorm
key1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:02 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a reoccurring theme of this thread is how nice of a guy he is but in all reality everybody's only so surprised of him saying thank you because he's a rich wealthy famous guy. Also less expected because he's been a bad person for the past few years. Normal people are expected to say thank you. This isn't that impressive.
Wow all these stories make me think that he isn't such a terrible person after all
b8le ยท 9494 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it counts as having 'met' him, but about 2 years ago I was walking out of this public atrium space that's right near Trump tower in the IBM building and we saw him and some other businessmen walk out of Trump Tower.
Someone around us yelled out 'Hey Trump you're fired!' and he looked over and gave us the classic Donald thumbs up and got into a black SUV.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 2782 points ยท Posted at 15:42:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite reply so far. I imagine this scene being mildly awkward for some reason.
katieblu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Im in SoCal. Sooooo different. I kinda hate it here. The only thing it has over NY is weed. I hope they legalize it in NY by the time I moved back home.
Eyyy, how's ya mudda? lightly slaps you on the cheek
TMWNN ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:53:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a New Yorker, this is what people don't get about Trump.
Trump is a native New Yorker, but not born anywhere near where Trump Tower is: He was born in Queens. He is a New York loudmouth. There is nothing dangerous about being one: It's just the way people like him are.
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_Molobe_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably gets that daily, and his personality leads to believe that he knows hes a celeb and that people will remember remember their quick run ins with him for the rest of their lives, so he just puts on a good face and bears it.
Probably because op was nervous about what a bad ass thing he was about to do* so it came out more like "HEY D-D-D-Donald you're fffffffired" and then op avoided eye contact and quickly walked away. But it was in the same direction Trump and co were going so op looked at his phone and turned around.
Honestly he comes across as someone who is very awkward on the inside.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until he makes a few bad decisions, or walks back from some of his policy points. You're fired will be all we'll hear, and mostly for the people who expected a Wall, Mass Deportation, and an Amazing New NAFTA.
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I'm not making any kind of statement on his potential as the president, but imagine if he gets impeached for some reason? The "you're fired!" memes are going to be endless..
The_Pudge ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:29:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll be all over the place if he doesn't get re-elected too. Probably even after an 8 year term.
M3nt0R ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:22:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling he doesn't want to be a two term president. I think he's going to try to get as much done as possible in this term, and then hand the reigns off to someone potentially with his vision.
dhelfr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:03:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. Trump values his legacy, and the list of one term president isn't a great list.
He left the Reform Party because David Duke got involved and Trump didn't want to keep company with him.
Alex Jones for all his crazy stuff has at least not shit on Trump every step of the way.
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TASSPAS ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:22:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him a few months ago, the day before the guy climbed the tower. I was at Trump tower when a bunch of police cars and black SUVs swarmed in and blocked the street. I briefly saw him get out of one of the SUVs and go in through the side entrance wearing a red MAGA hat.
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TedyCruz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've met Alan Sugar, who runs the Apprentice in the UK, he entered our advertising agency without talking to anyone, one of my colleagues shouted "you are fired Mr Sugar" and he responded with a growl, not a happy one either. Bad day I guess.
Having many friends who work in the area around Trump Tower in NYC they tell it is a very common thing that happens. If Donald hears them he will always give them a thumbs up, even if he is in the middle of an interview.
I saw him similarly, just getting out of a limo that rolled up where we were sitting, and walking into a high-rise. IIRC he wore a tux and his wife wore a fancy dress. We didn't shout out or anything.
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What's interesting about this is I've heard from multiple sources that Donald like to walk about New York... in other buildings, walk from place to place... yeah. Will be impossible now for the rest of his life. The man loves his freedom to move around from what I hear... he didn't want to be President and was trolling this whole time. It's amazing that he's getting the thing he pretended to want but didn't really... he's getting what he deserves.
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I think he would have quit awhile ago if he didn't really want it. Melania is the one who seems like she really never wanted any of this.
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just the Botox.
SunnyZ606 ยท 1880 points ยท Posted at 20:35:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 13, I was invited to a friend's Bar Mitzvah, and the party was at the clubhouse of one of Trump's golf courses.
He was actually there a bit during the cocktail party, checking on the parents of the Bar Mitzvah boy to make sure everything was up to snuff for them. Shook a lot of people's hands, said hello to everyone, honestly my best memory of a celebrity.
Teapot42 ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 23:03:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its a really weird feeling reading these stories (especially yours) and thinking of him as human for the first time.
Just when you think your biases are under control another one pops up i guess.
You've got to remember that a lot of what the media said Trump said was taken out of context. I think you'd be surprised if you take a clip from the media, hunt down the original clip, and compare it.
Teapot42 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:26:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Lots of his stuff was. But i have also watched a lot of his speeches, and i find no excuse for saying we should ban all muslims from entering the states, or that illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers, or the countless sexist moments. I get that its for attention (hopefully) but so many things that he said should have booted him from the race. His story just proves that all press is good press.
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Teapot42 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:53:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah its true that some are, but that isn't something exclusive to immigrants. The quote was "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with them. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Sorry i misspoke on the murderer part earlier but i think the statement speaks for its self. I dont think "i assume some are good people" really redeems it.
To be fair, there is an abnormally high amount of rape going on by the people bringing illegal immigrants across the border. About 80% of women smuggled across the border are raped by the "coyotes" that bring them across.
Most of the victims are also illegal immigrants, but to say that there is not a larger per capita amount of rape and other crime going on because of illegal immigration is just not true.
If I'm not mistaken, he made that statement based on an understanding that Mexico had been encouraging its undesirables to go to the US rather than stay in Mexico. (That is, Mexico literally sending "its people")
Which is possibly true. At some point in the early 2000's (I don't remember the exact year), the Mexican government published and distributed an instructional pamphlet on sneaking in the US and evading detection. Ostensibly for the purposes of safety. The problem is, the information in the pamphlet was inaccurate and would be dangerous to follow in many cases.
As you can imagine, the target audience of the pamphlet probably wasn't Mexican physicians, engineers, etc.
I would imagine on average they probably have higher crimerates (possibly because on average they have less money?). I think the last sentence actually does redeem it, but I guess that is sort of subjective
Teapot42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I honestly will have to do research in to crime rates. From what i have heard if it is a higher rate it isnt very significant. Also arrest rates are bound to be higher because of bias within the police departments (no fault of the individual)
The media was spreading a lie for awhile that Americans have higher crime rates than (illegal) immigrants.
Firstly they subtley dropped the illegal part, so now we're dealing with only legal immigrants. Then they took a subset of Americans, like ones in Detroit who have juvenile criminal records, and then compared to the two groups. Completely deceptive.
I always assumed he meant that Mexico is sending over their criminals and their rapists, not saying ALL of them are rapists. Of course, he does have a way of speaking that is prone to having his messages all jumbled so who knows.
Well, your feelings shouldn't get in the way of evidence. His statement was backed up by facts. They aren't sending their best, and he wasn't just talking Mexico, he was talking South America as well. Also, when will people get this through their head: They're not immigrants, they're illegal aliens.
vitaymin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That line is taken from his candidacy announcemeny speech
I agree, but just wanted to clarify what people don't seem to remember. He never said all illegals (or Mexicans for that matter) were rapists. So few people get that right. Glad you did.
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Teapot42 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually think youll find that second part is less true than much of the media will lead you to believe. Most illegal immigrants from mexico come here and work hard at underpaying jobs to support themselves. There is less of a crime issue with illegal immigrants than legal citizens.
Also an official press release from a campaign press release: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on"
sbhansf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:03:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which came out when there was a rash of terrorist attacks in Europe. "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on" is the relevant part.
Vashiebz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:19:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By virtue of entering the country illegally. J- walkers are also criminals in many parts of America as well. Does that make them horrible people? That is a question for you to ask yourself.
J walkers don't violate the sovereignty of another country. Read the laws of Mexico regarding this.
Rooooben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and so is every American - read Three Felonies a Day. The question is how to prioritize resources - if you want to reduce crime, prosecuting immigrants here illegally won't make any impact.
But crime is illiegal immigrants they are the crime.
Rooooben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:50 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So are you. Every American every day does something that can be considered breaking the law. On the scale of criminality, where does the immigrant who is here illegally fall? Is it equivalent to murder? Or maybe it's more like stealing? Or maybe it's closer to a drug user, and the pusher - the person offering jobs to illegal immigrants, is the one who is doing the harder crime, by creating a culture of low paid work for those immigrants to perform? Yet that person is fined and continues to abuse the system.
I'm not against fixain't our immigration problem, it's a mess.
But pretending that mass deportations will do anything but affect your life negatively is naive. If 70 million workers willing to work for a suppressed wage dissappear all at once, guarantee you'll be paying double for food and services. It's not good right now, but putting all of our efforts into reporting immigrants won't make things better, just like locking up pot-heads has done nothing to prevent drug use.
Focus on those who are hiring, and illegal immigration will dry up. Jailing 70 million people and deporting them will cost Americans more than it is worth.
There is less of a crime issue with illegal immigrants than legal citizens.
Not true. That's a lie that was being spread by mainstream media. First they quietly dropped the illegal part, so now we're looking at only legal immigrants. Secondly, they used dirty tricks like comparing to subset of Americans, such as only juvenile offenders or only Detroit. Don't believe this false narrative.
Trump being labelled an anti-Semite is about the single most retarded thing that anyone who knew Trump before the election has ever heard.
Trump sued people who were trying to stop him from making his Mar-A-Lago more accepting of Jewish and Black members.
Notice how it was mostly non-Jewish people calling him an anti-Semite as well, while he was getting endorsements from prominent Jewish members of society.
Born_Ruff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why people seem to think him being friendly to people paying him tons of money says anything about his character.
fikme ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:03:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump loves to shake people hands , and maintains eye contact when he does it.. he's also very tall, and he actually lowers his head tactfully and he does the hand gestures and repeats a positive word over and over again .. to compliment someone he will say something like " yes great party for a great guy, a really great guy every body loves , everybody , everyone talks about how great this guy is, they all love him, all of them " he also changes his time when he does it , softens it up .. and does his smile ... his campaign aside, he has great people skills
esaks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this post seems like BS, in his books he's said he hates shaking hands because he's a germaphobe and wishes the US would adopt the Japanese custom of bowing.
I've played golf at one of his courses in Florida a few times he's usually there having lunch with his typical group. When they finish he makes a point to walk around to all of the tables shake hands and say hello. Always very nice. Since he didn't make a fortune in tech I imagine he has gotten to where he is by being pretty charismatic.
kpurn6001 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 17:48:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When trump does it he's charismatic. When I do it, I'm, "interrupting your meal"
AFAIK, a big (perhaps the biggest) part of his job is being a salesman. For that, being able to turn on the charm is definitely a big plus. Whether it's sincere or not is another matter, and often it's impossible to decide until you end up on that person's bad side.
Some sellers I've met were genuinely nice and helpful even after I decided not to buy anything, while others dropped the act and turned into total jerks they second they realized they weren't going to make a profit off of me. (Note that I never intended to waste their time โ I just ended up feeling like I didn't need whatever they were selling me for the price they were asking.)
Just to note that his other siblings also received a 1 million dollar loan and he was the only one to turn it into a multi-billion dollar business. Not everyone can take wealth and turn it into more wealth.
This is the correct response. Two things can be true at the same time. Yes, Trump did get a $1M loan from pops. Yes, he made good decisions with that money and became a billionaire. There are thousands upon thousands of people who inherit a lot of money. Most of them don't end up building fortunes out of it.
TimbuFTZB ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 23:39:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lots of people get a $100k loan and turn it into an an art degree and a minimum wage job
Yeah, he makes 220k+bonuses. The main thing is he over sees golf course construction and renovations. Which is a big deal. It's very complicated and time sensitive. He also knows more about grass and turf than anyone I've ever met. I actually don't even know where he went to school to get the degree (met him after college).
tekdemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The average physician makes a lot more than 220K though, so his bonus would have to be very high to break that income. While generalists and less well paid specialists make about that same amount the average is brought up by the high end where specialists like a neurosurgeon make ~700-900K a year (depending on if they do spine), mohs surgeons who remove melanomas make ~700K, orthopedic guys make about 500-900K (depending again on if they do spine) a year as well. A lot of online salary portal tend to underreport physician incomes, you have to look at MGMA and similar studies to get realistic data.
The average ER doctor you'll encounter if you ever go to an ER makes well over 300K a year and someone who's a workaholic makes more than that, since that's usually assuming that you're working only 3 or 4 12 hour shifts a week. So the workaholic types can pull in 400K.
Most of the doctors you know are probably downplaying their income, or you know a lot of pediatricians and primary care docs (and even then, they're likely downplaying their income if they own their own practice-their "salary" might be $180K but since their practice is theirs if they run it properly it should be returning other profits via an onsite lab, x-rays, etc.). And many fields are undergoing pretty big changes in salary, they just gave everyone in my field a $40K raise at our hospital, though it came with a lot of productivity changes.
The real downside of being a physician is that you end up with crazy student loans, sometimes at pretty brutal interest rates and you miss out on literally a decade of income while you're training and everyone else is working. And because when you finally start making money it's taxed at a much higher rate it takes another decade before you make up for that decade of lost income and the loans. For example I pay $3200 a month in student loan payments, and I don't even owe that much compared to the newer graduates I've met who owe $300K and some really unlucky ones even more than that. So your friend who makes $220K a year likely can be as comfortable as a physician who's making $300K a year but has spent a lot of years making negative money or a meager resident salary. Then again, your friend probably didn't make $220K from the start either.
Looks like I was correct in the fact that he received more than just $1, but for me, it still doesn't negate the fact that he created so much wealth from the $14 million that is claimed to have been given to him.
If you're under the impression he built his fortune from a $1 million dollar loan from his dad, you haven't looked into his personal history. That's just window dressing.
No I didn't, and it truly isn't that important to me. I don't even like Trump.
That being said, if you think I'm going to trust WaPo to cover trump fairly, or fact check him accurately, you are out of your mind. That's like expecting the National Inquirer to cover Ted Cruz's father accurately.
So in your world, the Washington Post is as credible as the National inquirer? Basically that's saying, "hey, I don't know anything and I'm not interested in facts whatsoever, just let me float on in my life in the comfort of believing whatever suits me with zero intellectual curiosity"
Or it is just saying that WaPo is not a credible source.
If you disagree, that's like saying, "Hey, I'm a sucker for anything that anyone says that reinforces my belief system."
Seriously, WaPo is garbage, this is common knowledge among anyone that follows the news. You should never bother with the New York Times, WaPo, or HuffPo. MSNBC is more credible than those three combined. My son's age in years is higher than the collective IQ of all the journalists that work for WaPo.
If I were to rate integrity on a scale of 1-10, where 1 is the National Inquirer and 10 is Abraham Lincoln, WaPo would be a 2.
HuffPo is garbage. And MSNBC also. But the New York Times and Washington Post are not only two of the most credible news services in America, they have the Pulitzers to prove it. Do they trend toward big city issues and have a perspective, yes, but they don't run bullshit, and they adhere to a journalistic standard few can boast.
I don't read them for reinforcement, if that's what I was looking for I'd be into MSNBC or HuffPo which as I said are absolute nonsense that even liberals are ashamed of. A sentiment, I might add, that the right doesn't seem to share with regards to their favorite Fox news, Breitbart, etc, which are literal propaganda. I have no problem reading the WSJ or other reputable conservative news sources, but if you think either the Times or the Post is an uncredible rag on the level of national enquirer or fox news or huffpo, then I'm afraid you're misinformed.
I haven't read it in detail, but from a few paragraphs, that appears to be a perfectly valid human interest piece using a specific family to illustrate a larger trend of growing fear in the Muslim community brought on by actual statements of our new President-elect and the tone of many of his outspoken supporters. It's not likely fabricated or inaccurate. That the paper shows concern for that issue is something you can argue demonstrates a bias (I was clear that they have an overt perspective that is left of center and tend to cover issues that are relevant to NY and other large cities) but that issue exists and has importance in the present social conversation.
In no way that I see does it demonstrate a lack of journalistic integrity or commitment to the truth. It ran, not as a primary, front page article, which generally pertain to accounts of large, mainstream events of the day, but rather was published as supplementary coverage of an issue told thru the lens of human interest. You can ignore what you want in this world, but you aren't going to earn much respect from intellectually honest members of the community for asserting that two of the papers with perhaps the longest, proudest tradition of credibility are as unworthy of consideration as actual trash.
appears to be a perfectly valid human interest piece
That shit was on the front page of an alleged newspaper.
Here is NYT getting Aleppo wrong, while chastising Gary Johnson on getting Aleppo wrong
Paul Krugman, an alleged journalist, wrote this objective little ditty for the times:
Hereโs what we can be fairly sure will happen in Mondayโs presidential debate: Donald Trump will lie repeatedly and grotesquely, on a variety of subjects. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton might say a couple of untrue things. Or she might not.
This isn't new. This book was published in 1986, and the authors came to the same conclusion as any mildly objective american would come to as well regarding media bias.
The New York Times and WaPo are a joke. They don't have the same mainstream reputation that MSNBC, but you consume them to reinforce your beliefs nonetheless.
Krugman writes editorials. Are you confused as to the difference? And even so, is your contention that Trump wasn't lying his ass off basically the entire duration of those debates, and doing so considerably more brashly and consistently than Clinton? Frankly I think more papers should have called him out on it, because it was (and due to his win, still is) a national embarrassment to see such ridiculous statements go largely unchallenged in a serious, Presidential debate.
The Aleppo error is also embarrassing. I don't know who wrote it or who failed to catch their mistake, but that's funny. However, clearly an unintentional mistake which they corrected (mistakenly) and then recorrected in the same day. http://www.mediaite.com/print/ny-times-issues-correction-to-its-correction-of-gary-johnson-piece/ . And that meets the standard for responsible journalism. Mistakes do happen at any paper (or anywhere, really) but that error was neither malicious nor tolerated by the editor at NYT. They issued public corrections.
They are not "a joke" or else you simply don't respect any news outlet, which makes me wonder how you can possibly inform yourself.
Would you trust PolitiFact? I'm honestly not very knowledgeable about which sites are bias and which ones aren't but a recurring number I've seen thrown around is Donald received $1 million in a loan as well as some amount of inheritance when his father passed away. His father's estate is estimated at around $200-300 million, divided between four children. So assuming it was perfectly equal and using the lowest estimate Donald would have received $40M. It seems likely that he inherited a larger portion because he was running his father's business and Forbes estimated Donald's worth at $200M as of 1982. However, his father died in 1999 so that $200M estimate was before he got that inheritance.
TLDR: Trump did get a $1M loan, became president of his father's real estate company in 1974 with a personal net worth of around $40M and the company being worth around $200-300M. Forbes estimated Donald's worth to be $200M in 1982. His father passed away in 1999 and that company was split amongst 4 children including Donald, we don't know how it was split. As of 2016, Trump's estimated net worth according to Forbes is now $3.7B.
We don't know too much factually because he hasn't released his tax returns.
Would you trust PolitiFact? I'm honestly not very knowledgeable about which sites are bias
Well, i personally believe all sites/media outlets are bias. Some have developed a reputation, however. I don't know too much about politifact, honestly. I've heard they are left leaning, but I don't frequent their site so I don't have a personal opinion.
Personally, I listen to the DailyWire podcasts, Lowder with Crowder, and I enjoy the Rubin Report. I don't own cable and I have a baby. So I'm limited on how much I can consume.
You know fact check articles aren't just a one line judgement, right? They back up their conclusion with sources so you can't just dismiss it because he received coverage appropriate for his behavior.
You know fact check articles aren't just a one line judgement, right?
I know they are supposed to be. However, if you believe that the "fact-check" label means the article is void of confirmation bias, I would say that you are mistaken. Unless you challenge the sources yourself, you won't really know if you agree with the article. Since most people don't actually check journalists on their sources, it's very easy to mislead a vast number of people, especially on the more popular sites.
I'm not saying that the specific article you are referencing is guilty of this. I'm just making a point about fact checking in general.
Just like how politifact would rate Trump statements much more harshly. There is a screenshot floating around of nearly the exact same statistic being discussed by Trump and Sanders. Guess who they said was lying and who was tellibg the truth?
What does that have to do with trusting a news source for fact checking. If you can't be bothered to read past the truth-o-meter or whatever, then you shouldn't complain about it. Feel free to assume the score can't be trusted, then check their citations and evidence to see if the fact is true or false.
He was given control of the company in 1971 though. Plus $100M inheritance in 1999, which is like $150M in today's money. That'd be pretty hard to mess up, no matter who you are. In fact he'd be a lot richer now if he had just invested in the stock market
I agree but that's beside the point. He was extremely privileged, and was given control of his family's company at the age of 25. Yet the OP never mentioned the company or the $100M dollars, which is why I pointed it out.
Imo his story just isn't as impressive as people make it out to be. Larry Ellison, on the other hand, was raised by a single mother and later adopted to his aunt and uncle. He created his own company and is now worth 10 times as much as Trump
And yes, there are better business people who are more successful. So what? IMO Dimebag Darrel is the best guitarist to date, doesn't mean I can't respect other guitarists ability and success.
jarde ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:37:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't get a small loan of 1m from his dad and turned it into a few billion, he got handed the empire. And has performed worse than the market since he did in 1971.
Do you get your facts from facebook? This 1m figure is hilarious.
You realise that 'market performance' is an average right and half of all companies perform worse than it every year?
TMWNN ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed.
Real estate is one of the classic ways to make money in human society. Look at how many real-estate developers own pro sports teams. Every big and small city in the US has real-estate people among its wealthy people.
What Trump did, however, is different (as you and /u/zacharyan100 note). Four decades ago he was on paper absolutely no different from 500 other scions of moderately wealthy (as in, a few millions to tens of millions) property developers in the New York metro area. To turn that million-dollar loan into ten billion is, however, unusual; there aren't 50 real-estate multibillionaires in New York, let alone 500. To also become a household name and to have remained one for 30 years and turn that fame into a victorious presidential campaign that along the way destroyed the country's two most powerful political dynasties and made the entire global media look like idiots? That takes brains.
I was not a Trump supporter during the Republican nomination process, although I supported him over Hillary. I recognize, however, that too often "idiot" is used in politics as a synonym for "anyone whose policies I oppose", regardless of that person's actual intelligence. Only an idiot would call Trump an idiot.
Seriously, I'm so tired of this argument. If anyone could turn $1 million into $1 billion then banks would be scrambling to give out huge loans to every Joe Schmo who walks in asking for one.
Well, there are people who state that he received more than $1 million, which seems to be true. But that fact that he still turned even $14 million into a multi-billion dollar business is amazing. Maybe people don't realize how much a billion is.
Moreover, Trumpโs claim that he built a real-estate fortune out of a โsmallโ $1 million loan is simply not credible. He benefited from numerous loans and loan guarantees, as well as his fatherโs connections, to make the move into Manhattan. His father also set up lucrative trusts to provide steady income. When Donald Trump became overextended in the casino business, his father bailed him out with a shady casino-chip loanโand Trump also borrowed $9 million against his future inheritance. While Trump asserts โit has not been easy for me,โ he glosses over the fact that his father paved the way for his success โ and that his father bailed him out when he got into trouble.
Regardless of wether he was given more, he turned it into a multi-BILLION dollar business. Not many people can do that and it doesn't negate the fact that he is a skilled businessman.
I would say his dad's connections and the Trump name is worth as much as the 1 million dollars. To a developer, cash flow is everything.
It's surprising how much money a construction/real estate development company needs on a weekly basis. There's salaries, insurance, interest payments on previous loans, bonds, equipment rental fees, subcontractor payments, etc etc. At my jobsite alone with a crew of 30 people, just the weekly payroll amount is close to 45k.
Would he be at least 3x wealthier today if he had put his inheritence into index funds back in the '80s? Yes. Trump's would literally have an extra $9,000,000,000.00 right now if he had retired in '86 and spent the last 30 years at home eating Doritos in his underwear. Source: http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
I'm sorrry if I offended you by stating a simple, relevant, and verifiable fact. I know how infuriating reality can be to people whose entire world view is shaped by willful ignorance and acceptance of lies as truth.
I've worked my whole life. My Uncle Sam helped me pay for college and graduate school in return for 8 years of service, and now I make a very decent living. I've earned everything I have, which is more than you can say for Trump.
I love how the best argument you can muster against this truth is that I'm judging Trump's business savvy on the business decisions he's made 'in the past.' In which direction does time flow in your fucking universe? If you've discovered a method of evaluating reality based on anything other than past events I'd love to hear all about it. I'll even wash your trailer home while you fly to Sweeden and accept your Nobel Prize. Until then fuck off.
Imagine I gave 2 guys money trees. These trees grow like crazy, producing an endless suppply of cash at an ever increasing rate. The first guy lets ihis tree grow and lives off the riches. The second guy cuts off a branch every year and blows most of the money at the track. Trump's the second guy.
You're a fool how on earth do you think it's a good argument to say he could of made more if he didn't do anything. I think it's even more impressive. Lots of millionaires go bankrupt, he's a billionaire. You liberals just can't give a guy credit for working hard.
Your logic is terrible but you only apply it to trump, can we say the same about everyone else who's worked hard and become a billionaire? Theyre idiots too because they could potentially be worth more?
Also do you really need to respond with 4 different separate comments?
He received a lot more than the $1 million dollar loan that he talks about as his folk story. Look a little further into the matter, there's ample coverage of the tens and tens of millions he was gifted by his father.
Regardless of wether he was given more, he turned it into a multi-BILLION dollar business. Not many people can do that and it doesn't negate the fact that he is a skilled businessman.
Says who? Last I checked he refused to release his finances and estimates very wildly. Not to mention a large number of his business "successes" boil down to defaulting on loans for personal gain.
I don't think anyone begrudges that things may have turned out differently had he been born into a super poor family, but come on. If turning a million dollars into a billion was easy, then there would be a lot more billionaires. For the most part, we hear about rich parents whose offspring piss away the fortune within 2 generations.
You might not like him, but the man is a successful businessman.
Seriously. I don't like him very much but turning a million dollars into a multi billion dollar business is a huge accomplishment. Sure being rich and having connections obviously opens more doors but it's still an insane accomplishment
I think people don't understand what a billion is. Now, I fuck up math a lot but if he's worth 3.7 billion dollars, isn't that $1 million times 3,700? You don't just fall into that. There are way more stories of people screwing up and losing a million than there are people who turned it into a fortune that large.
The wealth gap between some one with 3 million dollars and some one with $300, is the same magnitude between 3 Million and Mark Zuckerberg ($30 billion). Let that sink in.
As a trump supporter I do think his and maybe more importantly his father's connections in real estate helped him a lot. I could be wrong but that's how I see it
TMWNN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real estate is one of the classic ways to make money in human society. Look at how many real-estate developers own pro sports teams. Every big and small city in the US has real-estate people among its wealthy people.
What Trump did, however, is (as you and /u/FastFourierTerraform note) different. Four decades ago he was on paper absolutely no different from 500 other scions of moderately wealthy (as in, a few millions to tens of millions) property developers in the New York metro area. To turn that million-dollar loan into ten billion is, however, unusual; there aren't 50 real-estate multibillionaires in New York, let alone 500. To also become a household name and to have remained one for 30 years and turn that fame into a victorious presidential campaign that along the way destroyed the country's two most powerful political dynasties and made the entire global media look like idiots? That takes brains.
I was not a Trump supporter during the Republican nomination process, although I supported him over Hillary. I recognize, however, that too often "idiot" is used in politics as a synonym for "anyone whose policies I oppose", regardless of that person's actual intelligence. Only an idiot would call Trump an idiot.
He didn't start his business, he inherited it from his grandmother and father. Plus he also got $100M when his dad died. Most billionaires started with less than him
This needs to be higher. He started with a lot more money and was handed the family business. The hardest part is starting the business and creating the empire from nothing which he didn't do.
B: He's got many many millions from his father, that 1mil loan thing is total bs. Plus he lost a fucking billion dollars in the mid 90s. Genius businessman, so genius that he sets up scams like a fake university and sells crappy steaks with his name on it. That's not what real billionaires do, that's what cash strapped morons do.
Forbes estimates his net worth at around $4 billion. If you have a better source, I'm all ears.
Mike312 ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 21:16:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'd say it's a mix of both. He's obviously very charismatic, and having some money to back it up the charisma with connections can get you very far in life.
It's just...the way he throws superfluous adjectives into sentences or says "many people are saying this" or "these people say it's the best" all the time...I'm sure psychologists have a term for those, but it instantly flips a switch in my head that says that this person is bullshitting me.
TOTYgavin ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:55:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To you it flips a switch saying it's bullshit to ALOT of other people it comes off a language simplistic enough for them to understand and it's genuine
it's very bad. Very very bad. That in order to resonate with the american electorate you need to speak to them like a daycare lady speaking to the children.
RealClearPolitics (RCP) is a Chicago-based political news and polling data aggregator formed in 2000 by former options trader John McIntyre and former advertising agency account executive Tom Bevan. Though their own political views are conservative, the site's founders say their goal is to give readers "ideological diversity".
The author's bio:
Carl M. Cannon is the Washington Bureau Chief of RealClearPolitics and Executive Editor of RealClear Media Group. Carl is a past recipient of the Gerald R. Ford Journalism Prize for Distinguished Reporting and the Aldo Beckman Award, the two most prestigious awards for White House coverage. Previous positions include Executive Editor of PoliticsDaily.com, DC Bureau Chief for Reader's Digest and White House correspondent for both the Baltimore Sun and National Journal. He was a 2007 fellow-in-residence at Harvard University's Institute of Politics, a past president of the White House Correspondentsโ Association, and is a published author.
Yeah just some liberal blogger. Here is another source since you didn't like the other one
proceeds to link to another leftist biased pseudo-journalistic website no one knows.
Until you find video evidence of your claims as a direct source instead of quoting the same leftist rhetoric CNN repeats from different leftist propaganda websites, only CTR shills will take you seriously, and only because they get paid to do so (they don't take you seriously either, it's just their job to pretend to it).
The burden of proof is on you. She's not guilty until proven innocent, that's not how it works. Everything I've read says that Jerry Zeifman, which is supposedly the person who fired her, had no authority over her. She also wasn't let go until after the whole Watergate thing ended. Even the CATO institute, a libertarian think tank founded in part by Charles Koch, doesn't object to this.
It was Yale actually, and she failed it the year she got her JD (1973). She ended up staying at Yale doing post-grad study and published a highly-cited law article the same year.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill would've been a one-term governor of Arkansas if it weren't for Hillary.
curias00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay fine whatever. Either way she's #NotAPresident
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curias00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You still wearing Jncos, man? Calling grown men "B". Lol silly little guy
He was given control of the family business in 1971, which he renamed The Trump Organization. Sounds like his grandmother is who started it all in 1927.
In terms of inheritance, he got $100M when his dad died in 1999, although he was already a millionaire by then.
It baffles me that people can talk about him being "not a great business man" but not recognizing the magnitude of difference between 1 million and 1 billion.
They say he's not because he's had failed ventures. But when you have as many as he does, some are bound to fail.
Xearoii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can turn 1m into 3b? I'd like to see you turn 1k into 3m.
_MUY ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:51:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really how it works. Have you ever heard the expression "the first million is the hardest"? Donny was given something in the vicinity of 6.7โ7.1 million USD adjusted for inflation, in addition to free schooling, opportunities to avoid the Vietnam War draft, private business support from his father, his father's connections, etc. Being handed all that is like being dropped off by helicopter at the finish line of the qualifying round for a marathon.
While it's certainly not easy to take $7 and turn it into $270, it's a lot easier to do when everyone else is working with cut up penny slivers.
Xearoii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:10:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being handed all that is like being dropped off by helicopter at the finish line of the qualifying round for a marathon.
Lol definitely not THAT easy.
RLutz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
40 million dollar inheritance in 1974 invested in index funds is worth around 2.4 billion today. Not that difficult to make a fortune when you start with one.
fikme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:07:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like you are repeating slogans .. he didn't inherit 3 billion , he worked to get there.. I don't know why people keep saying one statement they heard and just repeat that without investigating
RLutz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you take a 40 million dollar inheritance in 1974 and just invest it in index funds, it's worth 2.4 billion or so today. Easy to make a fortune when you start with one.
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you also factor in risk ? Or global crisis when people lost their investment net worth ? It's not as easy as you are claiming
RLutz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:15 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, but it is. Good for him for trying to start up businesses, but it's just math. Literally doing nothing other than investing that amount into index funds, we're not talking day trading, would have resulted in that much wealth.
That is pure fiction. He got a substantial loan and then multiplied it upon multiplying it. Peddle your delusions elsewhere.
curias00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Salty ass Hillary supporter?
RLutz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck no. It's just a bit crazy to me that people don't understand just how powerful compound interest is. A 40 million dollar inheritance in 1974 simply invested into index funds is worth 2.4 billion today. It's really not that difficult to make a fortune if you start with one.
curias00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:35:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, if you invest all of your money and it sits for 40 years, how would you live like a king for those 40 years? What would you build? How many people would you employ?
Regardless of what sound investing does for you, doesn't mean people will be able to lay off that money, or put it to good use building an empire.
I don't totally disagree with you, I just think anyone who doesn't think he's achieved anything is kidding themselves.
He showed up at my cousin's sweet 16 party roughly 7 or 8 years ago. It was at a ballroom at a golf club he owned. He walked in, and took pictures with us for maybe 10 minutes. I doubt he actually needed to do any of that. Seemed like a pleasant enough guy.
EDIT: Since ya'll seem to be focusing on the 'creepy' aspect of it, I'm male, most of my family was in attendance (including her parents), and it was more of a check-in/meet and greet to see if everything was alright. This was also in the first couple of seasons of The Apprentice so to see a guy from TV as well as whatever else Trump was at the time was impressive.
Side note: When I was leaving I saw his Rolls Royce (Completely white, which was not to my taste), and I only remember it because it had Florida plates (and this club was in New Jersey) which was probably for one of those snow-bird type tax reasons.
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Considering he'll be my president in about a month and a half it's actually making me feel a little better.
seign ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was starting to feel better once he toned down his rhetoric after the election. Then he started making appointments and now I'm back to square one. A few anecdotes on reddit isn't alleviating any of my fears.
z64dan ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 22:00:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is, there are tons of stories of how terrible Hillary is in person. Like, a secret service guy wrote a whole book about it. Apparently Hillary didn't want to see any secret service staff in the Whitehouse while she was first lady, so they would have to hide behind curtains when she walked by.
"Thereโs many examples that I site in my book where she blows up at people," Byrne said. "Like Iโve said, she has blown up at me before, and agents, and her staff. At one time, I saw her staff so afraid to tell her about a mistake that was made. They werenโt upset about the waste of the mistake, ordering the wrong invitations, they were terrified that someone was going to have to tell Hillary Clinton that there was a mistake made."
Byrne says Clinton's behavior during his tenure in the Secret Service proved to him that she does not have the temperament for the Oval office.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:36:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Watch the 60 minutes interview he just did and he explains that the word "temperament" was something highlighted upon by advertising agencies that worked for the Hillary campaign. They actually get paid huge sums to come up with catchy lines for candidates to use and that was a key term they focused on for Trump, hence why it was CONSTANTLY repeated probably more than any other word in the entire general.
z64dan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:09:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She maybe should have hired them to come up with better slogans.
Yeah I don't think the slogans were the problem as much as the candidate herself. She just trained her whole life to lose to a guy with 18 months experience and historically low likeability ratings despite having most of the media on her side.
Resounding failure.
Edit:
Stronger Together (meh vaguely communist)
vs.
Make America Great Again (immediate nostalgia boner)
Maybe you have a point.
TMWNN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:14 on March 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At one time, I saw her staff so afraid to tell her about a mistake that was made. They werenโt upset about the waste of the mistake, ordering the wrong invitations, they were terrified that someone was going to have to tell Hillary Clinton that there was a mistake made."
Explains why her campaign crashed and burned; everyone was afraid to tell her about her mistakes.
I saw an anecdote from a K9 handler who had to clear an area with the bomb-sniffing dog to ensure her safety, and she yelled, "Get this fucking dog away from me!'
The handler went outside, but he could hear her still yammering about it to the Secret Service and staff, really abusively. The handler feels awful and apologizes when one of the Secret Service comes out, but they just say, "Don't worry about it. We get that all day, every day."
I can't fathom how anybody near her stays loyal to such a witch.
dafuq0_0 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 10:56:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya know I've never had a real basis for disliking Clinton but she simply comes off as disingenuous. I hate basically everything about her demeanor and shes just not likable. So thanks for solidifying that.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 22:45:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather work minimum wage cleaning toilets than have someone make me hide behind a curtain at my job.
Apparently Hillary didn't want to see any secret service staff in the Whitehouse while she was first lady, so they would have to hide behind curtains when she walked by.
I'm sorry, but this is just plain hilarious to me. I can't stop imagining some salty secret service member hiding behind a curtain...
"God damn it. Four years in the marines. Five in the Secret Service. I'm on the goddamned presidential detail... And I have to play hide-and-seek with some dried up cunt who is so nasty even the POTUS is willing to risk his office to get away from her."
I feel like this should be the next Ask Reddit question. Lets get the real stories. But I would be she insulates herself, whereas Donald has interacted with more people through his business.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:36:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm glad to see people finally realizing he's not the evil he's made out to be.
But he has put seriously evil people in places of power, who have promised to disparage and harm people on his behalf. If he's such a nice and chill guy, why would he do that? I seriously don't get it unless it's 7D chess again.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:53:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's because of the terrible things that they've done. I don't agree with economic conservative policy but it's fine to have that view, however, conservative social policy has become a banner under which a lot of terrible things occur in the name of religion and racism.
The terrible things that they have done to disparage people (gays, blacks, poor people) and line their own pockets while harming the public at large (wall street, big oil, big pharma, increasing the class divide, etc)
To name a few, mostly Pence (vise president):
Opposing climate change either because they seriously don't believe it or (more likely IMO) because they have financial interest in oil/coal/fracking. And doing things like repealing pollution regulation laws in Indiana and making it the 4th most polluted state in the nation.
Making it legal for business owners in Indiana to refuse to serve people if they 'look gay' on the grounds of their religion -- imagine if they were allowed to refuse to serve black people because they believe that they are sons of Ham and cursed to eternal slavery. It's called disparaging minorities and I have no idea how it became legal.
Encouraging abstinence-only education because of their religious views despite repeated studies that it doesn't work and encourages STD spread, teen pregnancy, high school dropout numbers and poverty. They don't care about human suffering because it's "punishment for sins".
Doing nothing about the HIV epidemic in Indiana because "gays deserve it"
Making it mandatory to teach creationism in schools. If you want your kid to learn creationism, send them to church. This one doesn't seem as evil as the above, but they don't give a shit about separation of church and state and it bothers me very much.
I've taken a new stance and tried to be seriously respectful of people even if they show me none (such as my conservative parents). But this forcing of religious, racist and science-denial views on people that don't want it, and deliberately harming people because 'they should be punished for sins', while the same rules do not apply to them, is a scourge.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:53:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
But he has put seriously evil people in places of power
I keep hearing this but I'm not sure who. I hear the briebart guy but all I know is that he runs a news network
who have promised to disparage and harm people on his behalf.
Sauce?
mousylion ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:32:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The bigger issue is the undeniable validation of ignorance his election has created. There have already been physical, verbal, and psychological attacks on innocent Americans by his supporters this week. Trump said "stop it" but pretends to be aware of it in the first place.
And there haven't been those same sorts of attacks by supporters on the opposite side since well before the election and continuing through now?? People from BOTH parties are too wound up and doing ridiculous things; you cannot cast a light on one side and not the other.
mousylion ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 23:46:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I don't condone the Hillary supporters, their anger and vitriol will die soon enough. There's no kindling for the fire, just tinder. Racism, homophobia, and misogyny are ancient evils and have only been strengthened.
biggunz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:00:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just gets easier to spot the ctr
mousylion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As hominem. I'm a moderate republican who voted for Romney and Bush. I don't like Hillary but Trump I would rather four years of the same shit and a better GOP candidate in 2020.
I've seen reports of many false flag "Trump supporters" doing bad stuff and then a few days later it comes out as being false. Meanwhile I see actual video evidence of a trump supporter being beaten up and its not shown in the mainstream media.
Heck a few days ago 2 jewish students were caught spraying swastikas and white nationalist slogans along with MAGA to frame Trump supporters.
Luvke ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 21:36:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not. I've never really questioned that he's probably average, if not pleasant, in personal dealings.
His rhetoric, policy, and public record are all what bother me. I don't like candidate Donald Trump, politician Donald Trump, persona Donald Trump.
As a person you'd have a drink with? Probably perfectly polite and decent.
Not the same as a good President; fairly superficial, relatively speaking.
I'm convinced it's going to go on forever with every president. Well, every one in recent memory. Right now, everyone would have a beer with Bush, Obama, and Trump. Next election or maybe the one after that when there's people on Reddit too young to remember Bush, but old enough to vote, everyone will be saying they'd have a beer with Obama, Trump, Next President with Bush not even in their memory.
N0ahface ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:47:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Obama is a little different. He seems to be hated about equally to Bush politically, but way more liked as a person.
It goes beyond just polite and decent. I heard another anecdote on youtube about how he visited an area for some reason (not sure when but I think well before candidacy) and then in a follow up call he is told that someone he'd met is closing their factory because of overseas competition.
He immediately contacted the factory and took out a contract for his hotels to buy appliances from them, keeping the factory open. He really does care.
Octavia9 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:39:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...don't be disappointed. Consider that maybe the media presented him as a villain and that possibly we have a nice man as our next president and not a villain. I'm trying to have an open mind about him.
Once he was on Howard Stern, and I forget if a lady called in or Howard had read about it, but he asked Donald, is it true that once your vehicle broke down and, to thank the couple who picked you up and helped you out, you paid off their mortgage?
Disappointed? Considering the fact that he's about to be the goddamned POTUS, I'm glad to hear that he's apparently very personable. I'd rather have one who is likeable, even if I don't agree with all of his ideals.
Except that most of these stories are meaningless 2-second encounters. Not knowing him for any real length of time and not interacting with him about any controversial issues or real policy issues. A crazy person is also able to have a "normal" meaningless conversation for 2 seconds with a stranger before walking away. A racist might shake your hand in person and lock their doors as soon as you turn your back. Or build a wall.
Once upon a time I would have called it shocking, that anyone could perceive a random PR-perfect anecdote as a serious reflection on his character, after all the stories from the past have resurfaced about him and his shady dealings and abuses.
But these are people that accept tweets, ads and unsourced tabloid headlines without qualification.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 21:55:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he showed up there to flirt with the 16 year old probably.
dibetta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey i know that exact car he had, at i might have worked at this course! Was it Colts Neck or Bedminster??
Strikes me as a little creepy that he wanted to drop in on sixteen year old girls party, considering everything else we know about him.
JFlipout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sweet 16 party
donald trump
You were lucky he only took pictures
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:47:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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drakeg4 ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 21:03:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
TBF Trump literally owned the establishment.
Imagine if you're at one of Gordon Ramsay's restaurants and he comes by to ask you how your food was. It's a nice gesture.
That said, if you're a celebrity, people idolize you, and you're used to people wanting pics with you/autographs/etc. There's nothing wrong with being the one to make the effort to brighten someone's day by visiting with them.
Yeah, I can agree with that. I guess it's good for them to appear to be a fun person, sort of like making sure people think you're cool and go to your shows or movies.
If I were in Ramsay's restaurant, i wouldn't be surprised for him to come by, just like you see people post pics and say 'Look who photobombed our wedding pics!' and stuff too. It's neat, but like I said I'd make a terrible celebrity cause I'd never do that.
No, I'm pretty you can too if it's your passion. Can't speak for trump since I never met him, but met plenty of chefs and artists, the quiet ones are really quiet until you hit one of the few buttons. It's like someone is enjoying something you REALLY love and your normal switch gets ignore and you geek out. At least that's how it's in ramsay's case if it's to be believed (had someone I know see him off camera in singapore just enjoying the food and blubbering about it)
I'm sure that's true of some. Like Justin Bieber randomly wandering into some school in London unannounced a few weeks ago. This just sounds like good hospitality given it's his club. Assuming he didn't just stride in going "OK! Photo time, let's get this moving, phones out everyone!" while some kid's in the middle of opening his gifts.
Kids don't change clothes during a birthday party, do they?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can he what?
kyew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can Trump be around 16 year olds without it being sexual?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i dunno
iwannaart ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:58:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are projecting creepiness, which says more about you than anything. There is not near enough context to even begin getting the impression of anything creepy.
IDK. Trump owned the place, so I don't think it's odd. Like someone else said, if Gordon Ramsay stopped by your table while you were eating at one of his restraunts, you'd be flattered and excited.
Back in darker days I worked for a Chick-Fil-A in California. I was working the drive through and took an order from an obvious chauffeur driving a one of those black livery sedans. When he pulled up to the window, he handed me exact change, then pulled forward a bit when I went to hand the food through. Mr. Trump lowered the back window, took the food, and said, "Thanks very much." before they rolled away. I was pretty surprised.
Actually if you ever read his autobiography (my dad did) Trump is a bit of a germophobe. I think he gives exact so he doesn't have to take anything back. Sure he could spare the 0.50 if something was $9.50 and he handed you a 10, but then he'd have to be known as the guy that tipped $0.50 from a limo. Or be known as the guy that takes change back and doesn't tip.
Not_Allen ยท 1655 points ยท Posted at 17:01:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so confused as to why he would use cash at all. If I were rich (talking like Oprah rich, not like pro athlete rich), I would have one high-limit crest card that my accountant pays the bill on. Then money literally means nothing to me. I just swipe this card and people magically give me whatever I want.
I wonder if it's just a generational thing, or if he doesn't ever want to be removed from things costing X amount of money.
djkw418 ยท 1267 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Could be generational - but a lot of places, especially drive through - you have to hand the cashier your card... If he's a germaphobe - handing your card over and receiving it is 100% disgusting.
Then again it's his chaffeur handing over the cash.. so who knows.
Edit: got it. Money is dirtier. Thought exchanges were bad period.
I'd assume his chaffeur is more "trusted" if that makes any sense? Like if someone comes over to my house, I'll give them a special "guest" glass for their drink or whatever, but I don't care if my brother or whoever uses the same glasses I drink from.
Phapples ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:52:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying "Germs" doesn't make it rational, there's basically zero possibility that anything bad will happen from giving someone a glass then washing it and using it yourself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you have germs in your family, you'd probably have a resistance, so outside germs could be worse?
Phapples ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it's still a 0% chance of anything bad happening as long as you wash your glasses between uses.
Not to mention if you are using a dish washer, that water gets hot enough to kill most bacteria on its own. Even if its from tap it will kill them if it is over 110 F.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:26:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you know how that person is / where they've been. His brother might be very clean like him and wash his hands thoroughly, whereas a cashier at McDonald's could've shat 5 minutes ago, wiped with their hand and then held your card.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:39:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have worked at McDonalds. This is not too far from the truth.
We have some old metal glasses in my house that we love using. When we have guests we use the glass glasses instead. The metal glasses are old and have taken a beating so that's why we don't usually give them to guests unless there is a degree of closeness with them.
stranger = unknown, possibility of carrying contagious illnesses
familiar people = known and trusted, more comfortable with them and less suspicious of them carrying a disease
this is the basic logic in the irrational fear
B0ssc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting that ethnic othering is typified by the trope of 'clean' v. 'dirty': so you have themes of e.g, 'they eat dirty food' or in Nazi Germany, the killing in shower or bathrooms.
I have OCD and have had a huge problem with germs since I was little. I much prefer using a card to using cash. Money's much dirtier and you don't know where it's been, unlike a card.
And from my own experience--I'm fine with shaking someone's hand, even. I just have to wait for a moment to steal away and sanitize / wash my hands discreetly. I keep a bottle of germ-x in my car so I can use it, and of course I always do before eating food. I'm sure not everyone's germ phobia manifests in the same way but...
No, I think I get sick more often than is normal. It could be that I've lowered my immune system by abusing antibacterial soaps so much... or it could be a genetic predisposition that's unrelated.
I'm not worried about getting sick, it's more like I can "feel" the germs and invisible particles of matter (eg someone might not have washed their hands after using the bathroom so there's a strong possibility of minute pieces of feces existing on this dollar bill) on me and it's very unpleasant.
ConnorCG ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:47:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clueless person here. Have you tried getting help for this in some way? Does help exist?
Help exists! There's a lot of options and I've tried most of them--medication, cognitive behavioral therapy, mindfulness therapy, exposure therapy.
Nothing's helped me eliminate OCD, but it's helped me understand how the disorder works and get the anxiety down to manageable levels. It doesn't impact my day-to-day functioning much at all; it's just an obstacle I need to work around.
Nonetheless, he prescribed me an SSRI, Zoloft, for GAD and OCD. 100mg/day, for almost 5 months now, has done me wonders. No more flickering lights relentlessly or messing with the oven knobs for a minute straight before heading out the door.
I watched a cashier sneeze directly on the palms of her hands then start picking up my things to ring them. I said no thanks and left, now I am extremely bothered by people touching food items to ring them. Normal stuff I don't care, but for snacks at a convenience store I hold the barcodes out nice and visible. They often still try to take them and get mad that I don't want them to, like they can't just pick up the gun and scan it they have to verify that it is, in fact, an object. It's infuriating but I'm always polite because I know it's my problem not theirs.
Cdf12345 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Either that wouldn't wind up helping at all (like I said elsewhere, I layer different antibacterial methods on top of each other until I feel clean)--or it would help, but my other compulsions would get worse to compensate. It's happened before.
Of your overall compulsive force is constant, have you ever tried to develop a particularly useful one to monopolize all of the compulsive energy into a single outlet, as a way of draining energy from the ones that interfere with day to day functioning (such as having to excuse oneself just when a conversation is getting interesting, because your hands are still screaming that they're dirty)?
Nah, not really. That's like... you have a leaky roof, and you're trying to collect all the water in pots. There are ten leaks in the roof and a constant amount of water dripping in them. You can stop up one of the leaks but that'll increase the flow to the other 9 leaks. And you're not going to fix the other 9 leaks by going to the sink and filling up one of the pots to the brim with tap water. Does that make sense? If I don't feel physically dirty but I feel really guilty, no amount of hand-washing is going to prevent my compulsion to pray over and over.
And I don't wind up abandoning conversations like that. I can withstand having a "dirty" germy hand--I just won't touch anything and contaminate it with that hand until I'm able to wash up (and I find myself rubbing my fingers a lot, like that's gonna help, I don't know why). It's just uncomfortable, like if you're wearing your shirt backwards. You wanna fix it but you're not going to run off somewhere in the middle of a sentence to do it.
So I'm a bit compulsive about analogies and there is no simple physical system which has the properties you're describing.
Either the water is pooling in some kind of convex system, and opening the sink reduces pressure on the other holes, or it's not pooling in which case opening a hole will not affect another.
Have you ever tried resisting a compulsion as long as possible? What happens?
I was picturing the roof as bowed in a slight bowl-shape, yeah.
Yeah, I've tried exposure therapy. It wound up making me really distressed and unable to touch stuff for a long period of time. I think I cried. I don't remember, it was a few years ago.
It was an online study so I was free to choose how/when to do it.
No, I don't, and I haven't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at a credit card manufacturing facility, and for kicks we would sometimes take off our pants and pretend that we were buying stuff with the credit cards by swiping them through each other's ass cracks. We'd say silly things like "I'll the Rolls Royce, please", swipe, then we'd put the cards back onto the packing machine, and off they went. Since most cards have the chip now, guys at the factory nowadays probably play that game by just sticking the cards in each others asses, rather than swiping.
Like I mentioned in the thread, I use both antibacterial soap and hand sanitizer. I've gone through periods where I use one, then the other, then repeat the process until I feel clean. Thanks for trying to make my symptoms worse though; my bleeding hands thank you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried medication? Your solution to bleeding hands shouldn't be finding a place to make them bleed more
Yeah, I'm currently on a high dose of antidepressants. There's not much affordable medication out there that specifically targets OCD because it's more profitable to develop drugs that treat OCD as well as more common issues. I haven't found anything that consistently helps, but I'm still adjusting medication doses.
Honestly, I'm used to it and it's not so bad. It'd be weird if I didn't experience this, and it's usually more of a side effect of other stress in my life. Like, "oh jeez I've been doing a lot more symptoms lately, this sure is annoying."
(And it's okay, I was exaggerating--my hands usually bleed in the winter time because of the dry air + prolonged washing, but the weather's nice and they're doing okay right now. Yay global climate change?)
โConsumers may think antibacterial washes are more effective at preventing the spread of germs, but we have no scientific evidence that they are any better than plain soap and water,โ she said in a statement. โIn fact, some data suggests that antibacterial ingredients may do more harm than good over the long term.โ
Not in my bedroom since I have a sink with antibacterial soap 10 feet away, and some clorox wipes on my dresser 6 feet away. (That's probably not safe to use on my hands on a regular basis but at this point it's go big or go home)
Serious question. How can you not be okay with handling money, but okay with eating fast food?
I've worked in that industry, you don't get "sick" days. If you're sick your manager hounds the shit out of you to come to work and guilt trips the shit out of you if you don't, to the point where the next time you're sick you probably will. Based on what I've been told most restaurants seem to operate the same way. Odds are you've eaten a sandwich prepared by somebody with the sniffles more than once.
The sniffles don't really matter to me. Like I said, it's not about getting sick. It's about the sensation of feeling germy. I'd much prefer someone sick handling a sandwich than, say, someone touching their shoelace and then handling my sandwich.
Also, I wouldn't really want to hand my card to anyone if they knew I was super rich.
Considering I'm a nobody and the lady at the carwash copied my debit card on the dl recently, I'd imagine it would happen to someone like him all the time.
I have never been through a drive through where I've had to give my card to the cashier. Hell, I work in a drive through. Maybe it's a Canadian thing? Don't know how cards work in America but no one is allowed to touch yours here
djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally Canadian.
The machine is inside, so you have to hand it to them to swipe (the register should be visible). If you walk inside though they do have a terminal for you to swipe infront of you.
Grocery lines though have terminals that you swipe yourself.
Restaurants you still hand to waiter and they walk off with the card.
But thinking about it - outside of dining and some weird setups - you don't really hand your card away anymore.
We have an interac machine that's connected to a long wire to our register, we just give it to them in their cars. In dine in places you usually go up to the till and pay or the waiter brings you a wireless debit machine.
djkw418 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty cool, I don't think I've seen it here outside of maybe a tablet someone has in front of you, where they still swipe it.
Our problem is a lot of businesses don't want to update tech / security as it rolls out until they are forced to (and then complain about the costs.. rightfully so, but they also dragged their feet doing it).
Thinking about it - I've been to a restaurant that actually have started using terminals at tables. Of course this is only experimental, and it's one of the large chains, but you can use it to order more, confirm order, and pay whenever you're ready.
It's been like this for a really time in Canada, I don't really even remember when we changed to wireless debit machines. Nobody takes your card at a restaurant, they usually just hand you the bill and ask if you need the machine. It's the same for pretty much everything - taxis, delivery food, etc. If you go to a till to pay they either have a machine they pass to you or they have a mounted machine facing the customer where you insert or tap your card.
That's what I assumed too, that he doesn't want people touching his card. The odd thing is he still eats the food those people make, but I guess OCD is weird like that.
djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't doubt it's generational, he's a 70 year old man. Think of average people that age at the grocery store, for example; alot still pay by cheque, not wanting anything to do with a debit card, or ATM. Sure, he's rich as fuck now, but those sorts of habits are hard to break.
djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was always rich af...
But thinking about it after posting, it's totally generational to pay in exact change like other stories told... I just find it funny that he goes around carrying pennies, nickels and dimes.
I think it is my, parents have credit cards that they pay in full every month but still use cash for things under ~$30. While I absolutely hate dealing with cash and will put a 75 cent soda on my card
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is also 70. He probably used to dealing with cash.
It's easy to steal a card number and info. And being so obviously rich, I wouldn't doubt that it happens to him all the time. Hence being reluctant to use one. And the privacy issues, as well, make sense.
Could be generational - but a lot of places, especially drive through - you have to hand the cashier your card... If he's a germaphobe - handing your card over and receiving it is 100% disgusting.
But they can hand you food and thats fine? As if fast food chefs are soooo hygenic
ahab_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a grown man and have never realized my debt card must be filthy. It goes in ATMs, I hand it over to retail workers...
If there's one thing I learned, is not to go in ATM.
guspaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do credit cards not support Visa PayWave or Mastercard PayPass in the US? In Canada, you don't actually need your credit card to make physical contact with anything to pay at the vast majority of payment terminals.
djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think i commented elsewhere about our tech. A lot of our vendors don't have the up to date stuff, so not everything is the wave over type of device...
And although some have that function now for google wallet / applepay - the cards themselves we get are also old tech...
We only just got the chip and pin tech put in our cards, and it's still slow going because businesses/users dislike it (i personally don't, but "it takes longer" or "costs money to implement new readers" or some random thing that comes with new tech are some of the arguments in the past year with implementation)
guspaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The move to Chip and Pin happened pretty fast in Canada. The three major payment companies (Visa, Mastercard, Interac) forced merchants to migrate by shifting liability for fraud (merchants became liable for fraud if they refused to migrate to chip and pin), and the transition took 4 years, with the liability shift being phased in over the final two.
When contactless payments became a thing, lots of existing machines already supported it, and there was a gradual rollout over a few years. At this point, nearly all machines accept it. When Apple Pay went live 6 months ago, most stores just automatically accepted it since it used the same infrastructure as the existing contactless system, and it looks like a regular contactless payment to the merchant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:49 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:36 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We do, but not all registers have it. At least not that I know of because I don't have it.
Its advertised a lot (like a special add on) but only specific for a few brands or levels of card, plus Google and apple.. so because it's a select few, not all businesses have it
rr90013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:26 on March 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he has his cash sterilized?
Mdcastle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For people not from the US- in a fast food drive through or sit-down restaurant they don't hand you a keypad / swiper- they physically take your card from you and run it inside.
[deleted] ยท 1299 points ยท Posted at 17:18:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 20:54:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah how else are you going to avoid tax payments when they see no spending habits on your account.
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rareas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:32:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wealthy people don't go to ATMs they use private banking. Which is widely known for not reporting anything and will indeed deliver huge bags of money, anywhere in the world.
fikme ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:09:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who told you this ? It's incorrect ..
asoneva ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He saw how Gringotts works in Harry Potter.
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yeah
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[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 21:17:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That is probably exactly what he thinks because he saw a meme about unpaid taxes. Also taxes not owed, but normal people pay more in taxes than they have to, right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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sacula ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:26:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off CNN
_MUY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, actually. Most of the high number value cash in circulation is used for money laundering and tax evasion. Give it a listen.
Xearoii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tax underreporting works that way. If you claim low income, yet your standard of living appears very high by the amount of possessions you have, or you have very tangible documentation like a credit card statement outlining your purchase history, those observations can be used to estimate how much income you would need to maintain that lifestyle and pay for those purchases.
So if you're riding in a chauffeured limo with a 50k a month credit card bill and claim no income, the IRS will definitely ask questions, especially for a high profile individual like Donald Trump.
Xearoii ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:39:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your an idiot if you think trump benefits from buying chick fil a off the radar with cash
Schnort ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:51:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it is, sorta. If you're living above your stated means, it gives he IRS cause to dig deeper.
Handburn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you do business in cash. Not that an upstanding business man would do that.
His father was worth millions thousands (lol) straight through the depression I'm pretty sure...
Edit- I was WAY off... by ten years, he made his millions in real estate during ww2., and supermarkets during the depression, see business career section.
Edit 2 formatting, and to the point I still don't think he was ever worried all that much about credit...
No problem :) I'm the same TBH I just knew his father made ASS loads of money and gave him a large loan to start his business. Everything else I found out while reading that haha.
I'd guess the same thing: habits die hard. Credit card usage has skyrocketed over the past couple decades. They used to be such a hassle to have to search in paper booklets for valid numbers, etc.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Or the fact that cards are so insecure...I've only had a real debit card since 2013 and I've had to get it replaced 3 times because someone got my card number...even with the chip!
I don't know if it was this or a depression era mindset that you don't spend what you don't have but my grandfather always paid cash until the day he died.
This seriously could be part of it. Even if you aren't exactly doing things wrong, no reason to leave a perfect paper trail for someone to dig up and make an assumption.
There are somethings that are beyond your control. I just do the best I can in situations like that. My wife gets upset with me when I have to do buffet type functions, or even family gatherings.
Don't touch my money but rub those greasy fingers all over my food
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he have his servants boil his change before he used it to purchase his slurpee? And did he make the cashier wipe the slurpee cup with an alcohol wipe?
jojoga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The oligodynamic effect is pretty potent at killing a broad spectrum of bacteria; as a result, coinage is pretty "toxic" to some bacteria- but certainly not all.
That's why I said only if I were Oprah rich. I'm not saying I would buy a sports car per day just to set it on fire (although Oprah could probably do that with just the interest she makes on her investments).
The post I was replying to was about Trump buying a hamburger. I'm saying if I were as rich as Trump says he is, I would no longer care to waste mental energy knowing how much hamburgers cost. My accountant can always tell me if that's a problem ;)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:51:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
possible reasons:
the clerk will spot your name, write down the card numbers, and go home buying a bunch of shit thinking 'yeah, hes never gonna know'.
if he is a germophobe as claimed he doesnt want people touching his card.
you would be surprised how often you get short changed/ripped off if you ever sat down and did the math on the price and what you got handed back. you might think trump wouldn't care about this type of thing, but if you watch/read his interviews you'll find out pretty quick he's not one to waste money needlessly.
money in an account earns interest, cash does not. if you have cash in your pocket, get rid of it before the money in your account.
I'm going to blow your mind, but... I remember a time when fast food places didn't take credit cards. Could be that the story above is from... gasp... the nineties.
A lot of New Yorkers still carry cash. They also have a lot of cards, but cash is often just easier in New York and it becomes a habit. Also, when you're traveling internationally a lot, you get used to carrying around all sorts of currency.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even rich and I've already phased out cash almost entirely. My credit card gives me cash back, so using cash actually costs me money in addition to being more of a hassle.
Remmy14 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:30:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will probably get downvoted, but whatever....
It has been my experience that very few wealthy people actually use credit cards. Studies have shown that, the more difficult a transaction is (ie. having to get out cash, count it up, etc...), the LESS you spend. Therefore, having something simple, such as a plastic card that you swipe and forget about, actually makes you spend MORE. How often do you go to a cash register, look at the gum and think, "Whatever, I'll just put it on the card." The term for this is 'friction.' Retailers look to lower friction however possible.
A good example of this is Amazon Prime's 1-Click shopping. This is possibly the lowest friction imaginable. Literally, you are looking at a product, deciding if you want to buy it or not, and all you have to do is move your mouse over to a small button and click it. BOOM, it will show up on your doorstep.
Anyway, back to the point, people who are wealthy do not tend to get wealthy by spending a lot of money. Although the difference between $.50 from the back of a limo may mean absolutely nothing to Donald Trump, a biliionaire, that's not the point. It's the fact that he is that aware of his accounting that cause people to become wealthy.
If you're rich and you walk around with body men (bodyguards and guys whose job it is to simply carry your shit for you) you can presumably tell the guy who carries your money to make sure to always carry a range of bill denominations and coins.
caedin8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who get rich love money and everything involving money. Billionaires won't pass of their finances to other people, that is how they lose it all. They enjoy managing it.
Also, what do you have against poop people? I know plenty of them, and they aren't poor because they spend their money frivolously. They were just dealt a shitty hand.
I've seen the concept at play- to physically spend actual cash releases an emotional response on some level. A credit card is just plastic and you don't feel the association of your actual money leaving. The rich get rich by not spending their money.
I'm so confused as to why he would use cash at all.
It makes sense really. If you're using a card it costs you extra money. Even if you have a card that has no interest on it for X number of days after a purchase, you're still spending time on paying it or paying someone else to spend that time.
I disagree. I get 1% cashback on everything I put on my cars, and it autopays each month and I don't have to do anything but log in every once in a while to cash out the cashback.
If he is a germophobe he doesn't want to touch anything foreign. This would include swipe cards or tap cards that technically have to touch foreign objects.
I know some germophobes, this is their logic on things too.
I am actually kind of surprised that none of the 20 other replies didn't mention this - it doesn't take an accountant to pay your credit card bill for you. It just takes a minute to set up autopay and oyu are good to go.
In fact, despite the "Oprah rich" part of it, I am living your magic credit card fantasy right now.
Ghitit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could go back to the germaphobe thing. Doesn't want to touch a credit card that someone else has touched.
Banecn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone else mentioned he apparently is a germaphobe so someone else touching your card and giving it back might trigger that. Not sure how you balance being a germaphobe and eating fast food though.
I just swipe this card and people magically give me whatever I want.
You don't even have to be rich to do that. I'm very far from being rich and I pretty much never use cash anymore.
I'm actually pretty sure he's doing it for privacy reasons.
Kinzuko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
having cash in your hand makes you less likely to actually spend it. with a credit card your more likely to splurge. if i was wealthy i would probably do the same
I believe the fact he is a germophobe is probably why. I mean if he pays in exact change so that he doesn't get money back, why would he use a card that everyone touches and gives back to him? That's just my guess though, I could be wrong.
Because if he was a germophobe it would mean cashiers would be handling his card and giving it back to him.
ach0012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people that are rich do a great job of tracking EVERY expense. You don't get to be (and stay) a billionaire by being careless with your money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you don't always get to do the swiping. Especially in drive-thrus, you hand the card to the employee.
Now I don't know how familiar you are with fast food drive thru employees, but there are stereotypes going on there, and your comment's parent comment did call him a germophobe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His credit is so bad any card he has probably looks like this:
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Then again, think about it. If you're a sales person/food worker, and someone hands you a credit card with the name "Donald Trump" on it, and that person is NOT Donald Trump, then you'd be inclined to ask for ID. I mean, if you do your job right.
think of how many times you would have to give your card away to complete a purchase, now think of all the scammers who work in positions just so they can target creditcards. I don't know how much more security rich people have on their cards but either way it would probably be a hassle if someone card your card info I would image.
Also the germaphobe thing. Hand them a card and get it back after they have put their hands on it and run it through their card reader that's sitting in a fast food establishment.
loudsex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To avoid having his money stolen through fraud. His debt card would say Donald Trump right on it, and could easily be compromised. FDIC only covers a certain amount with fraud, and in comparison to how much money he has, that amount is very low.
Let's say you're a germaphobe. Do you want to give a card to someone and have them hand it back to you with their germy hands? No, you want to hand over money that only you have handled to this point (read: sterile money) and get back nothing. I think it makes perfect sense.
Maybe because then people would touch his card and hand it back?
Exact change means less contact?
Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is definitely closer to athlete rich than Oprah rich. Most of his assets aren't liquid.
fritopie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most rich people have lots of money for a reason... they know how to manage their money and they keep track of it. Yes they have accountants and people who invest their money for them, but they are usually pretty involved to make sure it's going the way they want it to and to make sure no one sneaks off with any of it. If you just spend without paying attention, all that money is gonna go and fast. If you just have other people managing your money and you don't look at it at least occasionally and keep up with it some on your own, they're likely to take advantage and there goes half your fortune. Cash is also a good way of keeping track of your day to day spending. For most people, putting it all on a card can get out of hand without even realizing what you're doing. Using cash for almost all your purchases is a really good way to start out when you're first trying to budget and get a handle on your finances.
There's a psychological difference between swiping a card and seeing a 100 dollar bill leave your hand. You tend to spend less when you pay in cash.
Probably not why HE does it, but I'm sure many rich people use cash. You get rich by not spending it all. After all, what does income mean if you just blow it all.
KhabaLox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then money literally means nothing to me.
The people for whom money means nothing generally don't become rich. It sounds counter intuitive, but it actually makes sense if you think it through. It's the same logic that results in newly rich pro atheletes declaring bankruptcy a few years later.
If money means nothing to you, and you don't track your spending (or at least be aware of it), then the money slips through your fingers like water. If you are conscientious, and pay close attention to what you spend your money on, you tend to not overspend. That second type of person is the one who ends up becoming wealthy simply because they don't spend more than they make.
A lot of frugal/budgeting advice suggests using cash for things. There's apparently a stronger psychological reaction to handing over money than plastic, making you more conscious and less likely to overspend. Even though he's loaded, he might still be very careful with his cash.
Pretty sure someone worth that much doesn't worry about such financial transactions at all. I'm sure the driver is from a seriously high end company and handles such small transactions indirect of Trump. I imagine he has a team of people making life very convenient for him. I.e. if I pay several $k to be driven around, don't bother me with inane bs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is actually a New York (City) thing.....it's changing, but it used to be most places only accepted cash (still a number of places like that here).
If you have that thought process you never get Oprah rich. You don't become a Billionaire by ever thinking that money means nothing and you certainly won't stay one.
Probably just habit, you use that all your life growing up you want to keep doing it that way.
isuadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cash is King
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad's around his age. He only uses cash, occasionally his CC, but never for a fast-food purchase. Trump is also a famous billionaire so I don't know what other famous people do but maybe they worry about someone stealing their information off a card somehow.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a bit of a germophobe
I'd imagine, if this is true, he doesn't want to have strangers rubbing their germy hands all over his cards. Same reason he doesn't want change back.
I'm so confused as to why he would use cash at all.
Not The Donald, nor anywhere near his wealth level, but close to him in age. A lot of us strongly prefer to deal in cash because you get a better sense of money leaving your stash when it actually happens.
(A lot of us also live by the maxim that you should pay for your sins in cash, up front.)
If he used a card they would hand it back to him after swiping it, which to a germophobe is the same as accepting change from a strippers snatch
And I wouldn't even be surprised if he disinfected his cash before handling it
Cainga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes the germophobe thing doesn't make any sense if he is using paper and coin money at all. Someone had to have touched it before him unless it just came from the mint. And even still its not like the money is sterilized.
That is why you are not rich, you are not a penny pincher. You have to understand the mindset of most Rich folks, everything they do revolves around making more money.
Yeah, I read this summer that while on the campaign trail, he stopped to eat at a restaurant and some guy came out of the bathroom and his hands were wet. He wanted to shake Trump's hand. Later, Trump said something to the effect of, "What could I do? I shook his hand and just didn't eat dinner after that" because he was grossed out.
Well now we know the White House will be squeaky clean for the next 4 years.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:52:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he was a germaphobe, I'm sure he wouldn't use cash. I guess you could call me a germaphobe, and I avoid cash at all costs. Contactless card is the way forward.
Sw3Et ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People always say "that's how the rich stay rich", and I think there's some truth to that. Not that they give a shit about fifty cents, but the mindset they have when they deal with large amounts of money just bleeds over.
The person I know who is hands down the tightest I know with money is a millionaire many times over. He will always look for the best deal and always find the way to get things done for a bit cheaper.
But he also bought a house for 35k that was basically condemned, put 75k of well thought out cash into restoring it and then sold it for 1.1 million. So it's a mindset worth having.
So when he argues with the cashier over 4 dollars it's not because he needs the money, it's because that's just how his brain thinks about money.. because this morning he was maybe dealing with 40 thousand, or 400 thousand.
People that rich aren't rich because pennies mean nothing. They are rich because pennies mean something.
The most wealthy person i knew, wore the same shoes for 10 years. She could have bought a new pair every minute for a whole year if she wanted too. But she pinched every single penny...which is why she had a lot of them
Kwax44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read one of his books in high school, I rember the germophobe thing, in the book he said people should "bow" to each other instead of shaking hands because of germs, lol forgot all about that until I read your comment.
Lington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But wouldn't all his other cash be just as dirty? I am seeing a trend of him giving exact change based on the replies...but I usually do that as well if I can make the change. I find it easier than stuffing money back into my wallet.
jst3w ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:07:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but its a mental thing, when you own something it's yours, and its got "your germs". Like when I use my phone all week and never wipe it and touch the screen and eat chips with my hands, I think its ok since I'm eating my germs. But if you give me your phone to scroll around and read reddit, I'd be less inclined to use the same hand to eat chips.
I agree him withdrawing/getting cash handed to him means they've been circulated and dirty. Especially coins.
Lington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But in order to have cash it had to of been circulated or handed to him in some way. My point is that it hasn't always been his cash.
something was $9.50 and he handed you a 10, but then he'd have to be known as the guy that tipped $0.50 from a limo.
Why would not wanting 0,5$ be considering tipping? I'd just consider it not wanting to deal with the change. When I say "Keep the change" its because the change is so miniscule that I don't care whether or not i get it back and just want to get on with it.
Lets just say Lincoln has been in more than one log cabin. And we leave it at that
ExpoZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm pretty sure the majority of change, other than the newest ones that have been made in the same year, has been in all sorts of places before it becomes your turn to handle it. I feel like its just really hard to evade germs in general unless you just wash your hands all the damn time.
So he's a germophobe to that degree, but he'll eat fast food?
aizxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not doubting you or anything, but that doesn't make much sense does it? If he's paying in exact change he's still handling change. Its still disgusting and covered in germs even if another person hasn't touched it in a while. Paper money is the same way.
I kinda admire this about him...is that bad...don't tell my friends!
_Molobe_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems odd that a germophobe wouldn't take change from someone, but would eat at a random fast food place where the teens making his food probably arent the posterboys of hygiene.
That makes sense. When you deal with and meet that many people you're at a much higher risk of infection. And someone with that many things to deal with, getting sick can really fuck up a lot of things.
Interesting that he believes in germ theory but not climate change. Something microscopic, he's afraid of, but something big enough to threaten all human life on earth and it's a hoax.
I never tip when I pick up food. I tip a delivery guy if I have it delivered but if I have to place the order and deliver it to myself then why tip? Do you tip the cashier at Walmart?
duglarri ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd heard he is a germophobe. And a bit of a Mexicanophobe as well.
And of course you said "my pleasure" because it's Chik Fil A law.
Once a Chik-fil-A employee said "you're welcome" after I thanked them for my food and two other employees turned their head so fast I swear they gave themselves whiplash and everyone just stared at each other uncomfortably for a second.
I went into my local one for the first time ever a while back. Went up to the service desk and asked the manager a question, about 20 minutes before closing. He looked so pissed that I was even there. I just needed a type of clip, in and out; not like I was gonna be there after hours. I will never go back there. They were all rude.
I worked at a staples. One woman hated all the customers. So, we had a big meeting and they talk about how if we go one year with no complaints, we all get $1000. It's kind of impossible cause people are crazy, but the very day of the meeting, the very woman I mentioned earlier got a complaint, and the manager got all pissed off, but he had to know its impossible to go a year without a single complaint in general. She was always getting into it with customers so there was no way it was ever a reality.
A year without a single complaint is the single most god damn stupid goal I've ever heard. Sounds to me like they could've been trying to trick you guys into working harder because they didn't give a shit... or they truly just had no idea how to manage effectively and actually believed in their idea (either or, they did not know how to manage). If management actually thought for some reason that ZERO complaints was a reasonable amount to have and would be attainable (seriously set the benchmark somewhere in the middle of "no fucking way" and "we can totally do this", offer the $1000 or $500 or whatever amount of money bonus, and watch your workers actually work harder because they have a more attainable goal and some incentives to go with it). They wasted their time and their employees' time by ever thinking that would yield a positive result.
Edit: Also, I have a personal vendetta against Staples because they always fuck up my marketing orders and never seem to care to get it right the next time.
it's pretty irritating that the company nannies them that much. it ruins even a simple polite "you're welcome" by turning it into a robotic, forced "my pleasure, customer #828425".
I got sent home early when I worked at Chickfila for this. I promise you Chickfila is just a Mc Donalds with a lot more drama that's hidden with smiles. Hated it.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:55:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard whispers that if you say "thank you" at Chik-fil-A and an employee responds with anything other "my pleasure", they owe you a free meal. Can anyone out there confirm this?
jkcash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dropped numerous "no problems" and "you're welcomes," at every chance I had (i.e. no superiors around). Mwahaha
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BeanAnTi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:32 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i worked at a taco bell for a little while, and they have really stupid rules about what you are supposed to say and when too. I had managed a Del Taco in another state, and when i moved, the first thing i could get was bottom rung taco bell. so i took it. you have to greet guests a certain way, answer the drive threw a certain way, and then repeat the same shit at the window. but its not just one phrase, its hello how are you today? thats great, what can i cook for you? its half of a whole conversation. at del taco it was off the cuff, welcome to del taco/thank you for choosing del taco what can we get started for you? that sort of thing. the whole interactions at taco bell are scripted and if you deviate all hell breaks loose. my first day i almost was written up over it. i think it was just because the manager was a psycho
Prior telemarketer here, and while I like to think I bought that piece of my soul back I still talk on the phone with 'the voice.'
Everyone has a phone voice, some do it subliminally and others intentionally; it's using that inflection, diction, and pattern that makes you sound official but 'friendly.'
'Hi, this is Bucky_Ohare, I was hoping to speak with Mr. Swanson, would he happen to be available at the moment?' All one line, the moment I hear a response, with a friendly but authoritative tone. Every time.
I've received so much crap from co-workers; I never let it drop, even when I know I've called someone specific or I'm calling an internal line to someone I've worked with for years.
Not call center but I have to contact customers a lot for work and my greeting is always "hi $name this is imlonely from $company how are you?" One sentence, no pauses, friendly and official. I find asking "how are you" right away makes them respond with the traditional passive "good," which puts in their mind the tone for the call is good. Seems to work.
Rihsatra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I try to use my call center voice whenever I need to call anyone at my current job hoping it's formal enough that they won't want to call me for help.
g28401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The voice never goes away.
blade740 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:18:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could be worse. I worked in a Disney call center and every once in a while I catch myself ending with "Have a magical day!".
(AFTER they say there's nothing else I can help them with, of course)
I called my grandparents yesterday and left a happy birthday message for my granddad, and had to stop myself from ending with my standard professional 'Thanks and have a good day'.
I also really have to stop myself from automatically saying 'Hi, my name is Sochitelya and I'm calling from [place of work]' no matter who I'm calling.
I worked in an internal bank dept call centre that advises branches for about 5 years.
Work in a branch now and once or twice called a client and when they answered after a long delay I lost my train of thought and answered as they had called me. That was a bit embarrassing. I also changed banks so referred to my bank as the wrong one a few times in the first few months.
I worked at walmart for way, way too long. I still have trouble when people say "thank you" to me. I automatically say "thank you" back. "You're welcome" just feels wrong.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, I used to work in a call center and whenever I'm on the phone I have to resist the urge to say I do apologize" in place of "sorry."
ew73 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:30:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wow, I can understand how frustrating that would be."
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol. Similar happened to me one time when I was a teenager. So used to working the McDonald's drive-thru that when I started working at Taco Bell I used the wrong greeting a couple times.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it was an inbound call center where we handled overflow/after-hours calls for most of the clients. We took calls for everything from Coach handbags to 1-800-MARINES to some small CrimeStoppers groups, etc. All kinds of stuff. Most people would have never known we weren't the client, but in fact, outsourced.
All on American soil, though. Probably not many companies left like that, these days.
Last night my mom gave me her credit card info over the phone and it was an incredibly strange phone call. I was talking to my mom, but felt like I was at work with the cadence of how I was asking for the information. It just felt weird.
For me, especially if I'm tired, it's answering the phone "Thank you for calling $company name$, my name is Harley, how can I assist you today?"
oberon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was working at a call center, I answered the phone at home and had to pause an embarrassingly long time to avoid giving the standard work greeting. It was like my body was insisting on saying it, and wouldn't let any other words out until I did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Current call center worker here. The "bear with me please" is strong in me. It's seeped into my life outside of work.
I worked on a cruise ship where all crew members were required to say hi to every guest they passed. It's been almost four years since I left and I still haven't fully gotten out of the habit of saying hi to every single person I pass. Luckily I live in the South, where this is considered normal.
I work retail and sometimes when I'm a customer in other stores I forget I'm the customer and I use my overly friendly retail voice ("Hey how are you today?" "Thank you very much, have a great day!"). I probably sound really annoying.
75Zack75 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the girl taking our order at the drive-thru asking my dad "how may I service you today?" I was 17 so my dad felt comfortable making a sex joke out of it. Gotta love the service at Chick-fil-a.
Like, I know you're not literally taking pleasure from serving me, and I hate that Chick-fil-a forces their employees to say that. The phrase itself always just seemed creepy to me, and the forcing of corporate to use it makes it creepier still.
If you expect the kid working the register at a fast food place to take pleasure from serving you, you should maybe rethink your priorities.
Nozanan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked at one for about 2.5 years as my first job. I didn't stop saying "My Pleasure" for about 3 years after that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked for a company that made you respond with thank you after the customer thanked you. Still do it automatically, and it confuses people to no end.
i hate it so much. i feel like chick fillet wants them all to be little white robots who speak little white robot talk. they ask if i'm dining in, and i say "yeah for here". if they say "my pleasure" i say, "yeah, have a good one." They're white humans, and they should be able to say what they like.
OmniProg ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:31:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i've only been to two. one in rural pa, the other in urban philadelphia. the rural one i get it, but it seems really complicated for them to find all white employees in an urban area which is like half spanish speaking, quarter black and quarter white.
Shit, only white people can work at CFA? I need to call my store and let them know, we're gonna be down to like eight people all of tomorrow. And I better let the store owner know that his sons and daughter-in-law can't work there anymore. We're still allowed to have physically and mentally disabled people as long as they're white, right? Because I don't think two people can run that whole store...
What's fun is to compliment the person at the drive-thru so that they will say "thank you" to you, and then you can say "my pleasure" back. They always get a kick out of that.
I didn't know this was a thing... I just started going through their drive through if I'm going out of town, and was always confused by the "my pleasure" response after I thank them at the order screen.
I can tell ex-Chik Fil A people by their tendency to do this at other jobs that don't require it. Plus the near-unhealthy cheeriness that comes with it.
Interesting, I wonder. What other fast food laws are out there?
Mirai182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CHRIST that brings back nightmares. I remember working at Chick Fil A and having to clean up kids vomit and crap. Parents apologizing so much and I'd be like "oh no worries mam, its my pleasure to clean it up for you--." Then it dawned on my how ridiculous that sounded.
I was at a Chik Fil A the other day and the guy who gave me my food didn't say "My Pleasure" when I thanked him. It didn't bother me, but it was kind of amazing.
The Dominos franchise I work for does the same thing. Same guy who did it for Chik Fil A. "My pleasure" is quit awkward when you realize you said it outside of work.
It's a pretty common way of avoiding a spending history to be used against you in an audit. Him paying in exact change doesn't make sense as a germaphobe unless he's running all of his coins through an autoclave and then transferring them to a sterile dispenser. Dude shakes way too many hands to be a germaphobe, too. I think it's a combination of extreme frugality and preventing paper trails, personally.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I'm particularly boring, but I've literally never met a single person who regularly pays for their purchases with exact change, much less a multi-millionaire.
MacDerfus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How will this reflect on his policies?
HazzMadd ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:20:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the second comment about Trump paying in exact change. Between that and multiple comments describing him as nice but awkward or somewhat self conscious, I'm starting to wonder if the president elect isn't slightly autistic...
kthnxbai9 ยท 498 points ยท Posted at 16:30:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being awkward and paying in exact change are now signs of autism? It feels like he's just a little weird
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being awkward and paying in exact change is just what old people do.
I was a cashier at a dollar store for 2+ years. It was not irregular for older folks to dig around their purses and pockets for those last two pennies and/or making painfully awkward conversation.
Oh gpa went his whole life undiagnosed until he started forgetting who he was and freaking out. Some quack said Alzheimer's induced dementia. Dude should be disbarred (the doctor version) for such a bad mis diagnosis.
MacDerfus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you call the future president such derogatory terms like "old"
mfarokl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't pay with exact change, you end up with a lot of change back. What then do you do with that? Every now and again I collect it all and buy something with all coins. Exact change at least slows the process down.
Go look at the symptom list, literally everything is a sign of autism.
kthnxbai9 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:15:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... I don't really see it. And I'm not going to give a diagnosis on Donald Trump based on what symptoms I google. Trump is an old guy that grew up in a world very different from ours. Of course he's not going to seem completely normal to us.
Don't get me wrong I don't think he's autistic either. Just saying you can see signs of autism in anyone going by the symptoms. Having a hobby is a sign, a kid playing with legos is a sign, etc.
You can diagnose yourself with cancer if you just read through the symptoms. There's a reason we have professionals to determine this kind of stuff as opposed to letting adults play doctor like they're children.
Neuronut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you're not realizing is that when diagnosing its not just having a hobby. It is having a very narrow hobby in which the person is hooked and firmly fixated on. The symptoms have to be impairing normal, everyday functioning.
ASD reporting in, that's sort of right. We have special interests, and will spend most of not all free time doing said special interest. It's not that it invades my normal life and impairs me, but special interests do take up most of our thoughts. Ive had multiple thought invading hobbies, Lego, pens, rubik's cubes, stop motion, etc. I usually do things like that because I don't want to have human contact at that point, and someone bothering me with something I don't want to do gets me really pissed off.
Neuronut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally work with kids on the spectrum everyday. While yes, there are levels of fixation, the diagnostic criteria is that the fixations and other related symptoms impair functioning to a degree. Therefore it is not just a little side hobby, it is a fixation.
The fact that you can type this out and express your thoughts on this subject shows that you are more than likely in the higher functioning side of the spectrum. Those on the mid to lower functioning end struggle with communication skills: expressive, receptive, and conversational.
Nomulite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's because everyone is a little autistic in some fashion, it's why its modern name is the autistic spectrum.
I'm not sure that logic works for mental illness. If everyone is X than nobody is X because it isn't a deviation, its the norm.
Nomulite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:11:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's when those symptoms hit an extremity to the point where it harms people's social skills, that's when it becomes a disability. Or at least that's how I think it works, I'm not an expert. Feel free to look into it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently anything slightly eccentric = "on the spectrum" and everyone who has read part of an article on autism while sitting in their dentist office is now an expert.
Lol my mom called me autstic because I didn't care about what she was talking about. I'm just a bit of an asshole. It's not some social limitation I just really don't care.
this is actually kind of ironic, i'm a software analyst and on the AS side of the spectrum.....and it really unnerves me to pay in cash without exact change. i would actually just prefer to card everything and forgo cash entirely.
Lol. TIL that super normal things are signs for autism from the reddit armchair psych team. How does anyone take this site seriously anymore is beyond me.
Psychiatrist here. I can't comment on Trump or Clinton since I haven't examined them and I have no idea what they have.
I can comment on this type of behavior and how it relates to various psychiatric issues. So:
Counting back exact change could be indicative of several disorders. My short list would include: OCD, OCPD, Specific Phobia (germs but not to an OCD level), and Autism.
Now, Is say that this type of behavior in isolation does not seem Autistic. Typically people with autism don't have the social skills we see in Trump, although he's obviously not perfect.
Clinton, OTOH, does have some behavior that we see in people with autism. For example, people with autism often misinterpret social cues or have abnormal reactions to social information. Also, people with autism often will exhibit decreased empathy and can have kind of bizarre obsessions. We certainly hear a lot about Clinton's trouble relating to others and her lack of empathy, at least at times. Of course, she also does not exhibit the social isolation we often see with Autism, and has been far to successful as a politician to have the disorder, although it is a spectrum and very high functioning people do exist and look very different from lower functioning autistic patients. But it's interesting to consider. I do also wonder about her proclivity for lying and possibly stealing? We see this type of behavior at times where people literally can't stop themselves from stealing or lying. Like, what rich person steals furniture from the whites house as First Lady then steals more as SecState? It's odd.
Again, I can't say that either of them have anything. But some of the behaviors that have been reported we do see often in other conditions. Interesting thought experiments.
I totally think he's just nerdy as fuck. Like the grab them by the pussy comment honestly sounds like something someone with terrible social skills would say.
A buddy and I were heading to Atlantic City one time and saw a limo on the GS Parkway with NY plates that said URFIRED. I said that's got to be Trump. My buddy says nah he takes a helicopter to get around. It had to be Trump.
_tomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really interesting that several posts in this thread mentioned that Trump paid in exact change when he bought something. I took him for the kind of guy who carries a bundle of Benjamins in a golden clamp
As I replied to /u/JangWolly, working fast food is no picnic, and while there were actually some decent people there the owner of that particular franchise had no idea how to treat people like people. Also it was during a period of homelessness and displacement for me, so I refer to the general time period as "the dark ages".
I bumped into him on the street in 2014. I was looking at my watch and ran into him by accident as he was getting out of his car in front of his building. I apologized, he said it was quite all right, and we went our separate ways. It was very civil, all things considered.
nurfbat ยท 1033 points ยท Posted at 19:40:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've got me beat! I ran into Mitt Romney turning the corner 3 weeks ago. Also very polite about it.
Aeehffje ยท 862 points ยท Posted at 21:49:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mitt Romney seems like he'd be a nice guy.
Nackles ยท 488 points ยท Posted at 22:02:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He really does--even when he was running for Pres, I never got the sense he was MEAN, as much as that he just didn't understand the privilege he'd been working with his whole life. And he seems like a loyal, loving husband and father.
It reminded me of that South Park episode about Mormons, where they believe weird stuff (IMO) but they seem aggressively NICE, most times.
QisforMe ยท 222 points ยท Posted at 23:54:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Netflix documentary 'Mitt' shows this really great side of him. At one point in his campaign all of his staff are watching for results and the hotel he's staying in is a complete mess. And while they're rapt looking at the reports he's puttering around the room like someone's grandpa and picking up after them, just straightening and cleaning and making these friendly comments about the people he works with.
Mitt was a great documentary. It changed my mind about a lot of the things I hated about ol' Mittens, especially in regards to how he acted near the end, despite being behind in the polls. It really pissed me off that he didn't even write a concession speech. Until I saw the video of him puttering around a hotel room saying, "Guys, I think we really need to start working on a concession speech."
Still wouldn't have changed my vote, though.
Dand321 ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 00:00:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You beat me to it. I didn't vote for Romney, didn't particularly like him in 2012, but that documentary shows a completely different side of him. That scene at the end where it's just him and Anne at home, and they look at each other like, "...now what?", was really touching/heartbreaking.
but if you could get a one time do-over and they mailed out ballots that allowed you to vote for Romney or stay with Trump I bet you'd be glad he was president.
I would definitely take Romney over Trump in a heartbeat... He's actually the reason I have had good health insurance in Massachusetts for the past several years. Thanks Romney!
I think the difference between Obamacare and MassHealth is the fact that health insurance is absolutely free for anyone under 150% of the poverty level, which I am. I get everything for free - prescriptions and all levels of care, which is awesome. *plus it's been available here since 2006.
I've never even heard of the documentary, but I like that. We need more humanizing of big public figures who are painted into an alienating caricature for us. Not all are good people who can easily be humanized like that, but there's got to be decency in most people that it'd be good for us to see.
I dont agree with some of his ideologies but i would argue in terms of being a genuinely good person he's likely at the top of the republican party. Its kinda like how i imagine i would have viewed bernie if i were a republican, you may not agree with him but its hard to say you think theyre genuinely bad people.
As a non-american I wonder why he didn't run this time? Wasn't he great for a republican? Wouldn't he have won?
aznhomig ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 23:56:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually if a presidential candidate loses, they don't run again, because it'll be viewed as repeating a losing campaign once again and not bringing anything fundamentally different to the political campaign that would succeed when the last one had failed.
It's also a very stressful experience and your political enemies will do everything to drag your name into the mud and demonize you, exactly what they did with Mitt Romney back in 2012.
Last candidate to lose twice was Adlai Stevenson in 1952 & 56. Parties have nominated previous primary losers (McCain lost in 2000, Clinton & Romney lost in 2008, etc).
Last person to win the presidency with a primary loss under their belt? I think that would be George H.W. Bush in 1988, who ran in 1980 before Reagan picked him for VP.
cinepro ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:57:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Nixon! Lost to Kennedy in the General Election in '60, then came back and won in '68. I don't know much about what happened in '68 to get him the nomination and win.
js1652 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:27:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nixon was basically seen as the frontrunner for the '68 nomination to begin with once he got in but he also faced a relatively easy time of it in the primaries (which, granted, in those days worked different to today and were less important). George Romney (Mittens' dad) initially was looking like a strong challenger, but then Romney said he had been duped into supporting Vietnam by using the word "brainwashed" and his support evaporated. Then anti-Nixon moderates and liberals started supporting Nelson Rockefeller, but Rocky didn't formally enter the race until very late, and anti-Nixon conservatives also got in the game too late with Ronald Reagan. Then Rocky and Reagan planned to unite their forces to deny Nixon the nomination at the convention, but the plan fell apart because they were both trying to be the one emerging as the nominee rather than one biting the bullet and agreeing to support the other.
Nixon won in the general by a combination of Democratic disarray and sabotage, and he still barely won. Bobby Kennedy had been assassinated and the other popular candidate from the primaries, Gene McCarthy, was bypassed to nominate Vice President Humphrey (who wasn't even in a single primary race), while Southern Democrats broke to support a third party candidacy by arch-segregationist George Wallace. Even in spite of this, Humphrey managed to rise to a point of looking like winning as the Johnson administration neared a peace agreement in Vietnam, which the Nixon people deliberately sabotaged to deny Democrats a win there.
And even with all that, Nixon barely won in '68. His popular vote margin was less than 1% and he won Missouri, Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, California, Delaware, and New Jersey all by slim margins.
JiReilly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His opponent suffered an unexpected death.
aznhomig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Candidates who lost in the primaries is one thing, that's usually just an intra-party bloodletting, so that's relatively common to see, but to see general election candidates who failed run again in today's day and age is very rare.
I do remember from my U.S. History classes that Henry Clay was just the comeback kid who kept coming back and running for President over and over again. Thomas Dewey was another one, too, but he was primarily fighting FDR during the war years, and later, Truman.
No idea why he didn't run. He would have smashed Hilary. And this is coming from a liberal. Think of all the states Trump won. Now add Colorado, Nevada, New Hampshire at the very least to that list.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 23:47:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part of that documentary is the bit on election night when his granddaughter is updating them on all the different states he's lost. His son snaps at her something like, "You don't have to keep coming in here and telling us that." She seemed upset, and Romney was super sweet to her, saying, "No, no, we want to keep updated, you can come tell us." He seemed like a genuinely nice guy.
My sisters family is like this. She converted. They don't do anything unless it's with the whole family. The bad part is that these kids are so sheltered. They are like 5 years behind their peers developmentally. My 22 yo niece just got her first job and driver's license. My nephew that's 17 can't even microwave a fucking pizza for himself. And my sisters sees nothing wrong with this. I love them but they are so weird I can't hang out with them unless I'm drinking.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:50:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has less to do with your sister's family being Mormon and more to do with them being weird.
Source: am Mormon
JawnZ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Mormon, seconded. Our children may be "sheltered" in terms of not exposed to drinking, sex, drugs, etc. very much, but LDS youth are generally encouraged to be very hardworking, industrious, and well-rounded.
daveo756 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually there's a big push in the Mormon Church right now for younger people to get jobs and such. Independence and self reliance are really getting pushed, presumably because of people like that.
DougFane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think it's more like 90% my sister and 10% mormon. She is totally messed up. She hated my mom telling her what to do when she was a kid so she said that she would never tell her kids what to do. Well that's probably why all your kids will eat is hot dogs, pizza, or macaroni and cheese. Kids need freedom, but they need you to tell them to do shit too.
aznhomig ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 23:58:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really doubt Romney would have carried Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania the way Trump did. He would have been viewed yet again as an out-of-touch oligarch that didn't energize the base of people that propelled Trump to victory in those states.
Popular vote isn't the game they were playing. It certainly wasn't the one trump played. You can't compare the popular vote and say Hillary won or should have won because the entire basis of the election is to win the college.
Anth895 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just meant that he was talking about turnout and Hillary had a higher one as far as the general public. Not trying to argue for either side.
He means turnouts in given states, the battlegrounds that ultimately decide elections. I voted for Hillary but the popular vote total is largely meaningless
I think he would have probably lost to Hillary. Trump was the only one who could have beat her and it's only because he is clearly a marketing genius who literally wrote the book on how to generate free press. I think a lot of people write him off as this complete dolt who has no clue because of the media persona, but in reality he's probably actually a lot smarter than people think. I often wonder if he depends on people to underestimate him in that way, so he can press the advantage of surprise when you realize "ahh fuck this guy is not as big of an idiot as I thought he was." By then, of course, it's too late and he's already been elected president.
Hillary got only a fraction of dem votes that Obama got. Clearly it wasn't that Trump was a genius it was that Hillary failed to energize the voters.
Sendbeer ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:42:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Romney would have had a hard time getting past the primaries again. They seem to like their candidates extremely conservative. I kind of think that's what really hurt both Romney and McCain in their respective elections. They both had to make moves that made them seem more conservative than they were and were kind of stuck with those positions in the actual election which didn't pay off those cycles.
Larsjr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:54:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a pretty common technique. On average, candidates tend to become more moderate after they've won the nomination. People who are on the fence politically don't vote in caucuses and primaries. Those with these strongest ideologies tend to be the most politically active. Hence the wall and free college.
Its not a hard rule but usually people who win their parties nomination and lose tend to not run again. Also Romney was just not a good candidate/campaigner in 2012. He was able to win the primary by just watching everyone else around him implode then in the general election let Obama control the news cycle and just seemed like he couldnt stand up for himself.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really shouldn't run for President again after failing in the general election once.
He didn't want to subject his family to it again. They were personally under a microscope.
I mean, look what happened to Jeb
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but like not only did Trump win, Republicans have really big strongholds all across America, so technically Trump was not only great for Republicans, he was better than Romney
As someone who's grown up Mormon, who is still considered an "active member", but doesn't personally believe in it, yeah, the beliefs are strange. But the people are (mostly) wonderful, kind, intelligent people. In my opinion most issues stem from the corruption and detachment of the church leadership. As well as deep rooted misinformation about the churches history.
He got a cup to go, too, and I seem to remember him saying he was bringing it to his dad, but that doesn't make sense as both his father and father-in-law died long ago. Hell, maybe he said "dog," it's not uncommon for people to get a small cup of vanilla for their pets.
veggiter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was probably just going to eat it himself without admitting it.
If they have pumpkin, get it. It's like pumpkin pie but way better. Add brownies or chocolate chips if you feel like it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's super nice. One of the nicest guys I've ever met.
I'll never forget how the Democrats and media destroyed his character in 2012. I know it's politics, but the man's a fucking Mormon. He doesn't even drink coffee.
They must get nicer the further they are from UT. Possibly a recruitment tactic.
Eyunn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work for this really popular authentic Belgian waffle joint in Salt Lake City and Mitt Romney and his family showed up. It was one of those pay over the counter and we made it to go type joints so he came in, paid and then ran out and hid in his car while his wife waited for the food. Couple girls asked for photos and autographs and he turned them down. This was shortly after he lost. He tipped me four dollars.
He really is. I live about 10 minutes away from him in New Hampshire. We see him and his family around town pretty often (small town), usually at the docks.
Mitt always loves talking shop about boats with people, takes selfies with anyone who asks, chats with the local government guys, asking about how things are going. He dotes on his wife and really makes sure that she has as easy a time as possible. He tips well also. Like, 30% minimum well. All of the food service folks love him.
I disagree with a lot of his policies, but he's a good guy.
I've met Romney several times and know people who know him very well.
Whatever anyone things about his politics he is as much a stand up guy as they come. He never drinks, never even looks at any of the many women who flirt with him and he is dependable and honest and reliable from everything I have heard.
Romney is actually extremely nice, I was campaigning for a Senate candidate in South Dakota and Romney came to speak and endorse him and I got to talk with him, take pictures, he even got in a selfie with me.
I met Mitt Romney back in 2000 (right before Bush was elected) in Boston when he was still Governor of Massachusetts. My uncle had taken my brother and I to the city to see the historical sights, and we ended up walking by Romney giving a speech along with some other Republican politicians. He decided we also could use a civics lesson and we stayed to watch. After everyone was done speaking Romney and the others came over and greeted us. I had no idea who he was at the time but IIRC he shook my hand, made some joke about me voting Republican, told us to grab two Bush campaign signs, and then continued on his way. He seemed really nice, but then again he's a politician so who knows what he's really like?
Fast forward a few hours my uncle was driving my brother and I back home while we held the Bush campaign signs out the back windows chanting "GEORGE W BUSH!" for most of the car ride. This was especially funny considering that my uncle is very gay and very liberal. Poor man.
I went to college down the street from where Romeny was living after the 2012 elections and ended up running into him often at the grocery store. I remember how surreal it felt seeing this guy who was in the spotlight everyday and so close to being our President just.... being a normal guy shopping alone at the grocery store.
Reminds me of the time I opened a door, accidentally fell into the astral plane, and then transported directly into Mitt Romney's arms, and he held me and told me I was a good boy.
katieblu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me of the time when I ran into George Washington while picking apples.
Shnikies ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:14:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha it is true. Story-time: I was interning for Sen. Vitter from LA (he's a sleezebag, but his prostitution scandal was still unknown at the time. That came out a couple months later, at which point I gtf out of there).
It was January 2007, and the Saints played the Bears in the NFC Championship. The IL and LA Senators had a bet -- whoever lost had to cook the other side food from their state. Saints lost, so we "made" (ordered/catered, but pretended like we made it) gumbo for the IL Senators. Sen. Obama came strolling up to our office for his gumbo, about 10 cameramen in tow (can't waste a good photo op), I pivot to hold the door open for him. Boom, fist bump. This was a couple months before he announced his presidency run, but it was pretty well-known he was going to do it at that point.
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fleetber ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:07:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the time Trump high fived my grandma on a golf course
The host of Bullseye has a story about Bill Clinton almost going in for a high five and then just awkwardly turning it into a handshake. I'm very pro candidates who understand proper high five etiquette.
squeel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:28:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he does that a lot.
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Yeah, it's totally impossible that among the tens of thousands of interactions Trump has surely had in his long and people-oriented life, that a few of them were interesting and known to any of the millions of people who frequent Reddit.
xann009 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:09:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a "terrorist fist jab"
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:11:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
living in DC this kind of stuff happens more than I thought it would but it still blows my mind. Like the princess of denmark was in my office the other day...its crazy.
Yeah, I was interning for my Senator (from Louisiana), and he came strolling down the hallway, cameras following him, smiling his big ass smile (this was spring 2007, shortly before he announced his run, but when it was pretty imminent). I quickly pivoted to hold the door for him. Boom.
Seriously, he was very confident and had such charisma.
Story-time: I was interning for Sen. Vitter from LA (he's a sleezebag, but his prostitution scandal was still unknown at the time. That came out a couple months later, at which point I gtf out of there).
It was January 2007, and the Saints played the Bears in the NFC Championship. The IL and LA Senators had a bet -- whoever lost had to cook the other side food from their state. Saints lost (boo), so we "made" (ordered/catered, but pretended like we made it) gumbo for the IL Senators. Sen. Obama came strolling up to our office for his gumbo, about 10 cameramen in tow (can't waste a good photo op), I pivot to hold the door open for him. Boom, fist bump. This was a couple months before he announced his presidency run, but it was pretty well-known he was going to do it at that point.
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Chemie93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suggested a shave ice flavor to Obama when we was visiting Hawaii as DNC nominee. He got it.
I went to the fair at his high school every year too.
Dude I got a fist bump from Obama too! I was in the Marines back in the day and he did a speech for us, he went around shaking hands and I got a fist bump. It was rad.
Are you African Americ er by chance? I think it's gold that every time I see a video of him meeting a black person he goes for the fist bump and every white person he goes for the hands shake. The only president who's actually cool is barrack.
haha nope. There were cameras around though, so he was either hamming it up or he's genuinely a nice/bro-y guy. I think the latter, judging from others' reactions.
haha yeah, no kidding. too bad I never got to play basketball with him (should've stayed in DC longer).
Story-time: I was interning for Sen. Vitter from LA (he's a sleezebag, but his prostitution scandal was still unknown at the time. That came out a couple months later, at which point I gtf out of there).
It was January 2007, and the Saints played the Bears in the NFC Championship. The IL and LA Senators had a bet -- whoever lost had to cook the other side food from their state. Saints lost, so we "made" (ordered/catered, but pretended like we made it) gumbo for the IL Senators. Sen. Obama came strolling up to our office for his gumbo, about 10 cameramen in tow (can't waste a good photo op), I pivot to hold the door open for him. Boom, fist bump. This was a couple months before he announced his presidency run, but it was pretty well-known he was going to do it at that point.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the time I made eye contact with Justin Trudeau on a plane and then awkwardly looked away. This was about 2 years before he became prime minister. He flew economy.
I was once working an event where GHWB was to speak (2000s so well after his presidency) and he was waiting in the back hallway behind the ballroom. A hotel employee failed to check the mirror rounding the corner and bumped into Bush hard enough to knock him down but his Secret Service agents were close enough to catch him. The employee "bounced" off the former president and fell on their ass. The Secret Service guys began to go for the employee on the floor, as if he had just assaulted the President, and Bush yells at them "leave him alone, that wasn't his fault, it was yours for not covering the corner!" and continued to throw a little tantrum about it.
Had about 20 guys biting their cheeks trying not to laugh at the Secret Service guys being dressed down while the hotel employee is white as a sheet and shaking trying to get up off the floor. Poor guy.
Maulecule ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:18:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, then future president.
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spasm01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I was poked in the eye of then Pres W Bush. Well, likely it was just someone else in the bustle to shake his hand when he passed by, but I have no proof that it wasnt W that did it. (05 national jamboree he gave an address)
RKRagan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend moved to Vermont with her boyfriend. His family lives down the street from Bernie. They are blue collar workers and would see him often, being the mayor and then senator. He was just a guy you saw walking home. She missed seeing him vote by 5 minutes. Sure he didn't win the elections but he could have been president and the way people have ran into him compared to Trump is interesting.
I literally walked into Cam Newton (NFL MVP last year) when we were both Auburn students. I think both of us were turned around talking and just ran into each other. He's a massive guy. After I turned around, I had to look up to see his face.
Reminds me of this reddit post where this dude commented saying he saw obama alone on his blackberry and smoking a ciggy (before he was pres.) and to this day he regrets not going over and talking with him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had my hair ruffled by Joe Biden way before he was VP, like 2003. He told me that my state Senator, Ben Nelson, was more important than he'd ever be.
Meto1183 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if he did it today the USSS would tackle him to the ground :(
I literally ran into him one day while he was walking out of one of his buildings in NYC. I'm 6'3'' and was probably 260 at the time, and he made me feel kind of small in a city where I usually feel huge.
For some reason, this made me laugh. This encounter was so basic I can't imagine what other "things" could possibly be needed to take into consideration as a qualifier. I'm not trying to make fun of you, it just made me laugh to think about. It reminds me of when someone will give a perfectly legitimate statement like "Your eyes look blue today", followed by "no offense".
KHANNAW ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:33:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family and I once ran into Hillary Clinton coming out of an expensive home store in NYC. Neither her or her squad apologised for bowling us out of the way
My mom was on a design team when he was building one of his many golf courses like 15 years ago, so she saw him every day. He and melania hadn't married yet but they were also in the midst of designing a new estate he had just bought. Tiffany was little and always came into the office with them but she was basically glued to melania's hip. They were really close. I was also small but sometimes if I came into the office to visit my mom Tiffany and I would play but I don't remember what she was like.
Apparently trump was a really decent guy. He once turned to my mom and said "you're a designer.." and asked about if their kitchen was in a Tudor mansion, what kind of cabinets should they have. My mom was like "oh obviously cherry" and melania turned to trump and said "HA!" And he was like "alright okay you win"
My mom says back then he was pleasant and professional.
I also think it's interesting to add that my mom also swears that he was planning his run for president all the way back then and she overheard them all the time casually mentioning it.
I'm pretty sure her and Bill made a pact way back when that he would get his first, then her. Like Che and Castro, "First your revolution, then mine."
[deleted] ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 23:00:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure her and Bill made a pact way back when that he would get his first, then her. Like Che and Castro, "First your revolution, then mine."
Yup. That's certainly the vibe many of us oldsters got at the time. "House of Cards" is clearly based in part on the Clinton admin (including the trail of bodies and accusations of corruption.)
Idk how "reputable" you find it but the trail of bodies surrounding the Clintons is enormous. (Scroll down this website: http://arkancide.com/) And there was some wikileaks stuff about Vince Foster that came out recently that made a lot of people raise their eyebrows...
SeenSoFar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:41:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That website is so hard to read. It's mostly broken links. He should have gathered all the information himself on his site and sorted it coherently. It's very difficult to follow as it is.
Seriously. Victim of a smear campaign for thirty years, never found guilty of any criminal wrongdoing. Does that reassure them? "No, our assumptions are not wrong. This is just proof the conspiracy goes deeper than we thought!"
Victim of a smear campaign for thirty years, never found guilty of any criminal wrongdoing.
To be fair, that's what people were saying about Bill Cosby back in the day when a woman would come out with a claim he raped them and it got swept under the rug.
Wikileaks validated so much of of the "smear campaign" and "vast right-wing conspiracy" that was suspected about the Clintons, and more, so it's difficult for me to take sentiment like yours seriously at this point. They have essentially invented entire new forms of corruption. If you haven't browsed through some of the more damning Wikileaks, you should.
Xearoii ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:34:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sheer hatred many people have for the Clintons is the result of that very calculated smear campaign, and it's a shame because they're brilliant and passionate.
A professor of mine is very good friends with the Clintons--taught with them at the University of Arkansas. Told us after the election that you'd be hard-pressed to find two people who care more about the people of this country.
But for twenty-five years, they've had to deal with bullshit mudslinging from the right, all because Bill's victory in '92 ended twelve years of Republican rule in the White House. This enraged the GOP, so they decided to behave like petulant children and delegitimize Bill and Hillary by digging up and investigating countless "scandals."
And people wonder why they're so private and defensive--if my name was being dragged through the mud in such a heinous way, I'd get really defensive too.
traws06 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Former Secret Service members would says otherwise. They claim Hilary was a nightmare to be around and treated them like shit. If you screwed up you were punished by being put on Hilary's detail. I'm sure everyone will claim "well that whole book was just part of the smear campaign." Just like the GOP murdered people just before they could testify against Clinton in order to make her look bad?
This enraged the GOP, so they decided to behave like petulant children and delegitimize Bill and Hillary by digging up and investigating countless "scandals."
Oh, so you mean like what the liberal media and Hillary supporters are doing right now with Trump?
As a third-year law student, this election has been infuriating with all the armchair lawyers on Reddit and Facebook declaring Hillary a criminal and demanding she be thrown in prison.
Ignorance of how the law works in this country is widespread and it is scary--I'm sure ignorance of the legal system affected more than a few votes this year. Sad thing is, you don't need a law degree (or really any degree, for that matter) to understand reasonable doubt and the presumption of innocence.
traws06 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't read the whole thing but they make a terrible point of saying he got caught for something as simple as adultery so he'd never be able to get away with calling a hit. Just like Al Capone was innocent as he could never get away with murder being he couldn't even get away with something as simple as not paying taxes.
akesh45 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:27:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
house of cards is a remake of a british tv show.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:19:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but the personalities of the Underwoods are very different in the American version. In the British version the wife is not important at all.
akesh45 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:36:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to see a film based on the clintons that anybody over thirty knows it's primary colors...it has a stand-in figure for clinton but was written by a journalist on the campaign trail.
Didn't Joe Klein have sex with Hillary in the book? Wonder if that was true. It was published anonymously at first...
Larsjr ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 00:59:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's based off of a book actually. But still, you'd have to be blind not to see that Clintons == Underwoods
akesh45 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:20:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a movie already based off the clintons called primary colors....odd how house of cards would diverge....so greatly....especially given joe klein was on the campaign trail with clinton and used a stand in for clinton.
Gooop456 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:01:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say it's probably based on a strawman of the Clintons if not the real thing. The parallels to them are great just as the parallels to Putin from the Russian leader are noticeable.
Yeah, I don't know. Considering that it's lifted off of a british TV show, I think the similarities (which are there, though to which degree is debateable) are coincidential more than anything else, arising largely out of interpretation after the fact rather than through inspiration on part of the creators.
To be fair, she's went through a lot of changes for him.
She failed a law exam and moved to Arkansas, giving it up to be with him.
She kept her name when they got married but somehow that became the focus of his governorship and not anything about him. Most interviews asked why she wasn't like a governor's wife should be, and if she planned on changing to fit in more.
And slowly she did, especially when he wasn't going to win the next election. She changed from Hillary Rodham to Hillary Rodham Clinton to Hillary Clinton. She lightened her hair and cut it. She went from trying to push change, to showing how she decorated the White House for Christmas. She went from giving strong interviews to taking care of her children on TV and being the 'perfect' mother.
Essentially she went from a woman who had built her entire life around what she wanted (just like anyone should do, man or woman) to letting her husband define her, and becoming Bill Clinton's wife. It became so extreme that to keep him in office she said she was standing with him through an affair, and then another one years later. What the fuck, right?
And since she's started in government and 16 years later ran for presidency, she's becoming herself again. But that same strong attitude from before is seen as bitchy and uncaring. She doesn't seem to have a nurturing side on TV, which is fine: no man has ever been elected because he can decorate a tree or stop a kid from crying.
My political views are definitely clear, I know, but at the same point I don't think anyone should have to change themselves so their partner wins. I like seeing the woman from the '70s who chose her own path come back.
Funny how both ended similarly as Fidel succeeded and Che died in Bolivia.
qp0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:17 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lenin and Stalin?
Foobzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to former insider Larry Nichols, they developed a plan called "The 86 Plan" (IIRC because they wrote it in 1986), which was for Hillary to run for president, and then make Bill the ambassador to the UN, ultimately to become Secretary General and become the most powerful couple in the world.
Hillary started planning her campaign when she was a sophomore n college.
__Noodles ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:37:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, that depression she must be in now. Not saying she doesn't deserve it - if your life long dream is to be president and THAT is the campaign you run - well...
But to lose... and to Trump... She should probably be on suicide watch.
Say what you want about Trump, but the fact that the person we're talking about almost won is genuinely terrifying to me in the same way Trump terrifies the other side. We're only halfway joking about this, and literally everyone that went down the rabbit hole of looking into this shit for more than an hour came out covered head to foot in fucking tin foil. I had friends that were staunch Hillary supporters that I turned into "conspiracy nuts" within 2 hours of conversation, google searches, and youtube videos.
I don't care how crazy it sounds, how off the fucking wall I seem to people, I firmly believe we just barely avoided a war with Russia. Maybe not a direct, storm the gate of Moscow type war, but a war where American and Russian soldiers kill each other in another country for sure.
Possibly, Russia has been pushing things for quite a while under Putin and Clinton is more Hawkish than I'm comfortable with myself. Though I'm not sure that appeasement and ignoring any violations of international law while the Iron Curtain gets rebuilt brick by brick is a better road to take.
unless you have been getting these rumors from different places on Twitter than I'm connected, that story is being peddled by a man with a very problematic relationship with the truth.
was just curious if you had a different source than me
IMWeasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:21 on February 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a thought you fucking moron: the whole topic of this thread is that the media perception of trump is wrong because he's generally nice in person, and you shouldn't believe the worst stories about him. Why don't you extend the same courtesy to Clinton? It's easy: just shut the fuck up if you're not sure that what you're saying is true. Or is common decency something that only applies when you're talking about trump?
Jesus, you must be really salty if you're replying two months late. Why not extend the same courtesy to Clinton? Well that's not what this thread is about, you troglodyte, and besides, she really doesn't/didn't deserve it as the media gave her a free pass to get away with anything without criticism. And why would I shut the fuck up if I was contributing to the discussion? Sort yourself out man.
xereeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Color me absolutely unsurprised.
She lost to THAT. Just proves how damn unlikable she is.
Erik7575 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for President in 2000, for the reform party, but didn't make it very far. Universal healthcare was the cornerstone of his platform, and he wanted Oprah as his running mate.
Madonk ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:29:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always picture Hillary as Mellie from Scandal.
Husband is president. Cheats on her. Tells him that they will stay together because her turn to be president is next and if they divorce it will look bad.
Also, mellie is a horrible person and is responsible for people's deaths.
More like 1996, I have heard rumors that secret service agents assigned to her during that period have said that she gave serious thought to running a primary against her husband. I always found that rumor while completely ridiculous to be completely in form for her.
That makes it seem like a Game of Thrones showdown that's been brewing for ages... House Trump (was going to say Lannisters but they always pay their debts) vs House Clinton... hmm not sure what the equivalents are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody has ever seen Hillary and Trump in the same room together.
She turned down Bill twice for marriage because she wanted to stay in DC and pursue her political career instead of moving to Arkansas so I would say it started much earlier than 2000. She eventually accepted when she failed her DC bar exam and took the one in Arkansas.
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure she had thoughts about it when Bill was president. When him and Monica came out, people were shocked that Hilary didn't divorce him on the spot.
I always said it was because she has her own political aspirations, and being a divorcee may look bad to voters, so she needed to consider her marriage in a political view rather than a romantic one.
Kered13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Planning? She's been campaigning since 2000.
Conjwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm betting Hillary Clinton has been planning her Presidential run since about 1950.
This election would have been a lot more fun if it had a monster truck announcer and he were like "FIFTEEN YEARS IN THE MAKING!"
Njsamora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to a few Trump supporters i've talked to, he began planning his run when he heard Hillary was planning to run, because he knew how evil she was and knew only he could stop her or something like that. It makes sense if you accept the 4d chess explanation.
I really think that Bill and Hillary planned their futures while still in college. The way his political career went, it's like the whole thing was pre-planned, except of course she was supposed to win because she was always "50 points ahead".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:40 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why she was so much more distraught than most losing candidates on election night. Most candidates are honored to have gotten this far, and are ready to lose if they must be. Hillary not only expected a win but felt it was her turn for one.
Donald not the hero America needs but the one America deserves.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidentally, Hillary Clinton has also been planning her presidential run since 2000
As someone old enough to remember the Clinton presidency, I think it's pretty obvious Hillary was running for President the moment her husband assumed office.
She was a very divisive figure, even then.
Unfortunately, THAT history had gone down the memory-hole, even for people old enough to know better.
He wrote a book ("The America We Deserve") in advance of a 2000 Presidential run, but backed out largely because the Reform Party had too many wingnuts like Pat Buchanan (the eventual nominee) in it.
Yes, but they're mainstream wingnuts. That's...better, I guess?
IMWeasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:49 on February 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bannon is pretty far from a mainstream wingnut. He's not quite on the same level of paranoid delusion as Alex Jones is, but that makes him a lot more dangerous, because he can sound reasonable
Trump actually ran in 2000 as a member of the "reform party" lol. He had picked Oprah as his VP and mccain as his secretary of defense, and colin powell as sec of state. He then left the reform party because Duke and some other racists/communists joined. Sadly the msm never talked about that.
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scy1192 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:01:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duke has been a constant thorn in his side for a while, I took when he said "I don't know anything about David Duke" to simply just be dismissive of Duke being relevant to his Presidential run, rather than him literally saying he has never heard of the guy. He speaks in a more blue collar figurative way than the measured literal language we're used to hearing.
2000 was when The Simpsons had their episode with "President Trump" in the future. Maybe it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for the Reform Party nomination in 2000 at the urging of Jesse Ventura. He was the main challenger to front-runner and eventual nominee Pat Buchanan, who Trump attacked as a "Hitler-lover."
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since way before that. He has been asked about and "looking into" running for president for decades.
So you're saying Hillary was a Trump plant...? Wow
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran as a Reform Party candidate in 2000 and dropped out to endorse Pat Buchanan (his main competitor for the Reform Party nomination). IIRC his name was floated around early on in the 2004 election cycle as a potential Independent or Democratic candidate, and then he considered running in 2012.
Earlier, there's a 99 interview (forget the name of the host, it's about 45 mins and on YouTube) where he talks about possibly running and setting up exploratory teams. He was planning to run independent if he did run.
HawkkeTV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He tried to run in 1989.
Kingsta8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran in the 2000 election for the Reform Party but I think he dropped out before the primaries were even over.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was running for the reform party nomination in 2000
gozzling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That moment when you realize that 2000 was indeed over 15 years ago...fuck...
Burge97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying this for months. Dude was never this way before he ran for President. I guarantee he's still not actually this way. It was a persona.
Edit: My bad.
[deleted] ยท 1770 points ยท Posted at 17:55:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1773 points ยท Posted at 19:06:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read his autobiography "Making America Great Again" previously named "Crippled America", which was released sometime during the primary election. It's interesting how he explains his campaign moves in great detail, he for example states that during the primaries there are 10 boring guys on a stage, how do you stand out? By saying things that shock people obviously. I find it quite funny that his entire strategy was laid out that flat in his book, and almost no one mentions it, despite having a tactic that worked absolute wonders during the election.
Conjwa ยท 943 points ยท Posted at 23:35:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying it since the primaries: Donald Trump is a god damn genius. Every move he made during his campaign only looks bad when you look at it in a vacuum. In reality, the results of the moves he has made are as follows: he crushed 2 political dynasties in the Bushes and Clintons, brought Fox News to its knees (during the primaries) by essentially turning its entire viewer base against it, nearly blew up the RNC, then defeated a candidate with more money, power, experience, and connections behind her than almost anyone else in political history, all while having the entirety of mainstream media (minus Fox News after the primaries) literally colluding with Clinton to spin everything in as positive a manner as possible.
Over the past 18 months Donald Trump has brought the entire DC political establishment to its knees before ever taking office. Whether he will be able to continue to do so from the White House remains to be seen, but people should have learned enough over the last 18 months to not panic when the same media outlets that have been attempting to destroy him throw out these names about his cabinet before anything is made official.
I was wondering about that a lot after he won the primary. After he won the general I was convinced. Every thing he did was methodical. All of these people calling him an idiot. No. An idiot does not and can not do the things he has done in his lifetime.
ronton ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:32:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what many people calling him an idiot were saying was that he was incredibly ignorant with regards to politics. If he was truly an idiot, he would not be where he is now. But there's a difference between "good at manipulating people" and "good at being president."
In this case I would probably give him the benefit of the doubt on being good at being president, it is likely that being good at manipulating people is an asset to a president rather than a character flaw
fikme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:50:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People calling him an idiot are not smart enough to see that the lose pieces in front of them that look like trash are actually a puzzle that builds into a magnificent picture.. they just can't put the pieces together
Immo406 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:54:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4D chess.
[deleted] ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 23:49:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said!
I think the greater mistake is many are under-estimating Trump. He's clearly capable of playing the game.
Well he's certainly good at getting elected. He's a TV guy. We'll see what kind of statesman he is. You could see during the debates that, it's not like he's even an evil man, but he's no scholar and no technocrat. He had very simple, basic responses to most questions and didn't seem to have very deep knowledge of issues, especially foreign policy issues. Sure, some of that is showmanship and the fact that he repeated his talking points with literally every question.
We'll see.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:14:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The article may have been reviewed by an editor, or even ghost written.
Dunno, this thread reminds me of the fake news about him on FB.
So he paid for a movie with exact change? So he patted a kid on the head? So he was nice to strangers in passing while getting his fast food?
He has made it so that our expectations are lower than low. That's his strategy I suppose. But regardless of how much people don't want Hilary to be president, she's not what he made her out to be.
I never doubted his ability to win, knew it would be close regardless. He's an embarrassment. But they say that an American president doesn't really have ALL the control anyway, so who knows.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
How are the media stories biased? Did he not say those things?
If he wants to be unscripted, great! But he needs to conduct himself with SOME class and decorum. His kids shouldn't have to be the ones explaining how he "really" is.
People say they love his blatant honesty, then in the next breath say "he doesn't MEAN all that." Well which is it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:46 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Some legal citizens are rapists too. Illegal aliens are actually more likely to abide by the law- they don't even want to get caught even jaywalking, for example, for fear of being found out.
Women who deserve criticism = those who don't live up to his standards of beauty.
The media don't HAVE to distort a thing! He lies blatantly and denies lying. He spews hate and people love his "honesty." What on earth is being "distorted"??
jaxxon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:00:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way he is stacking the deck in his cabinet and with the way the House, Senate, and Supreme Court are getting set up . . . is terrifying. I secretly hope that it's all just a big setup the he's going to set up to get knocked down. Like build up this big game that makes the world think we're tipping towards fascism and then.... nope! I'm actually a nice guy. HA HA!! And he yanks the rug out from under it and declares peace worldwide and makes sudden huge investments in renewables and stuff. He's the ultimate troll... so I'm hoping he'll go all out.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:23:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest worry has not really been Donald Trump, but the people who support him. Clearly he's good at campaigning and maintaining an image but how is he as an actual leader. This is his first foray into politics and he's surrounded himself with more experienced people. What happens when one of the people in his cabinet tries to go off and do their own thing? For instance, what if Pence attempts to combat gay marriage. Trump has stated that it is law and it isn't going anywhere. What happens then? Does Trump lead him away or does he let Pence run free?
kkkkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So why does he want to over turn Roe v. Wade?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything about him saying he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. Rather, I see him saying he's willing to appoint certain members of the supreme Court who might attempt to overturn the ruling and if it is done it will kick back to the state's decision. It's a hands off approach. Again, this makes me worry because I wonder how far he's willing to let his appointees go before he steps in.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:52:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's quiet scary that most people support it despite him saying terrible things. I guess he knows most of the population is white and won't be bothered by comments he makes
Jagjamin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:26:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13% of black men voted for him. 31% of Floridian Latinos voted for him too. I know you didn't mention gender, but 53% of white women voted for him.
A lot of non-white people voted for him, and a lot of women voted for him. A lot of them were just voting against Hilary.
thonrad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a white dude, with many like minded friends, who's bothered by most of the shit he's said since 2012, I think it's fair to say it's got to do with more than just "white male."
Although most of these people are also from chicago-land, so maybe that's why.
Aqualser ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:17:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I weren't broke I'd give you gold for this post. The man knows exactly what he is doing. I wouldn't be surprised if, in a year or two when he settles back down to the middle, he starts to turn face on some of his biggest haters.
Reality check: despite growth in population, Trump got fewer votes than McCain and Romney. Hillary even got more votes. But ultimately she lost because she got 5 million fewer votes than Obama.
Hillary is powerful, sure. She's also the least likable candidate in recent history. She stunk of scandal, whether she deserved it or not. A unknown irascible 74 year old almost defeated her in the primary.
Trump chose exactly the right time to run, with the anti-establishment fever at an all-time high (within our lifetime anyway). He was a clever, cunning candidate. He also would do absolutely anything to win, and crossed lines that no candidate with any semblance of morality would.
At this point, more bomb-throwing will actually hurt him. A poll released today says only 29% of people see a mandate for him to carry out his agenda (after all, only about 27% of the electorate actually placed votes for him), and 59% say he should compromise with the Dems. Apparently a lot of America has seen through his strategy and actually want him to work well as a president, considering how the GOP hasn't done a single fucking thing to compromise with the Dems since 2009.
ArMcK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd agree with you that it's a facade or a bargain high tactic. . . except look who he's stacking his cabinet with.
Who? Serious question, I want to know who is actually confirmed because I just read an article from 3 hours ago and practically no one has been. Did you fall for the media's bullshit speculations again? When are you going to learn? I bet you still think Chis Christie is in the running for something don't you?
ArMcK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down, son. Damn.
sjwillis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, if 200,000 more people would have voted in a few different counties we would be talking about how much of an idiot he is.
Mhmhm, well in doing so he's burned an awful lot of goodwill. You don't rule the USA, you represent it. Also he was pretty lucky. 100,000 votes decided it they say.
Multiple members of the same family holding various national level offices, their cronies running political parties and also holding national level offices. It doesn't just mean "more than 1 president," would you say the Kennedys aren't a dynasty because only JFK was President?
rainer_d ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 21:09:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Journalists read books? Would be news to me.
Most of them were probably too busy following, replying to and re-tweeting his tweets.
mousylion ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:12:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a lot of his working class supporters read a lot of books, either. Not implying they're stupid, just busy.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:26:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If this was news, you'd never hear about it. Unless it was headlined "You won't believe what journalists are doing with books!"
Nicklovn ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:03:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yah no kidding. His skill is profound. He knew he was the "joke" candidate that wouldn't be taken seriously until he shocked the country and drew attention. He was at a disadvantage and won.
So the guy even published his campaign strategy and they still couldn't beat him.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:15:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand the guy (only from what I've seen on TV obviously) but you have to admit he has an amazing sense of timing. He ran just at the right time.
I once heard of another politician who wrote a book that detailed his strategy, and then years later people were shocked when it happened. He was Austrian I think, went by the name of Adolf Hitler.
I thought I might get that response, but I decided to say it anyway. I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler (at least not seriously), I'm comparing American apathetic voters to German apathetic voters.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:11:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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rilian4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Said!! This is making The Hunger Games sound so prophetic. Sounds like something right out The Capital...
Hitler wasn't elected though: he lost to Hindenburg, who then appointed Hitler to a position of power as a way to try and leash him. If Hindenburg lived a few more years, Hitler may have been nothing more than a footnote.
Worse yet, Mein Kamph is so poorly written that it's quite hard to understand: all most people can get out of it is a hatred for Communists and Jews, both of which were quite common. People might have been shocked at just how much Hitler blamed the Jews for Germany's problems if they managed to read all of it, but most Germans would have chalked that up to his bitterness about his poverty: genocide would have been incomprehensible without a war to allow it.
If Hindenburg lived a few more years, Hitler may have been nothing more than a footnote.
Thank you! So many people here in Germany only remember him as "the guy who put Hitler in Power", but they forget that he was the Head of State of our Country for almost 9 years during possibly the worst financial crisis we ever went through.
He also fought for Democracy against his own military friends and fellow monarchists, even though he himself didn't really believe in it. Only because he wanted to keep his oath.
And when he put Hitler into Office, he was an 89 year old, half-senile man, who was told by everyone around him that they could control Hitler.
_zerdo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have read Mein Kampf and by no means is poorly written. Is true that he has a perverted vision of the reality, which he bends for his purposes, but he certainly has a deep knowledge of the human psique. It is an interesting book to read (for historical purposes only, not like reading the Bible or anything like)
In Europe, as in America, a new wave of politicians are using the exact same "marketing" technique than Hitler did back then, with great profit.
I'll concede that a correlation was implied, even though it wasn't my main point.
In all seriousness though, even though I personally don't think Trump and Hitler share many views beyond generic authoritarianism and a craving for power, there are similarities in how they both rose to power that we should pay attention too.
Just like Mitt Romney was Hitler in 2012, and McCain was Hitler in 2008.
_MUY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Bush, Romney, Obama, and McCain were compared to Hitler for completely different reasons which pale in comparison to the very clear parallels being drawn by Trump on the campaign trail. The charge didn't stick to those former presidents for obvious reasons: the four of them didn't fit the accusation. That politicians are compared to Hitler is not going to stop at this election and it is not anything new. That politicians are examined this way is not an issue we need to worry about. That a person can launch his political career by running on a campaign of conspiracy theories and racism is concerning. We have a responsibility to keep a keen eye out for that exact sort of Hitlerian manipulation in government in order to keep the next Hitler out of power.
The contention is that Trump ran explicitly on an authoritarian nationalist platform which promises to rid society of several undesirable racial underclasses (Latinos, Muslims, Blacks). The contention is that he demonized 'The Media' in order to prevent his followers from listening to voices of reason and instead focus entirely on listening to the pro-Trump echo chamber. The accusation stuck because that contention was legitimate and supported by a pretty incriminating body of evidence that Trump is actually a student of Hitler. His ex wife explained that Trump read Hitler's speeches nightly in the 90s from a book admitted to exist by Trump and an acquaintance. He took a liking to being called Die Fรผhrer by his lawyer. His priorities in the Oval Office are to expel millions of immigrants from the country, jail his political opponent, restrict the free media in order to combat a perceived conspiracy, restructure government to eliminate most of our democratically elected officials, top the scale in the Supreme Court to his own liking, and appoint his family and friends to positions with access to high government secrets.
There are a lot of ways he can steer us wrong, so we have to trust in his character. What is his character? We are about to hand this responsibility to a man who has demonstrated that he is capable of sinking to the depths of human greed in his business dealings. This is a man who has admitted to sex crime and who has been accused of the same by at least a dozen people. His own coauthor gave America a dire warning not to trust him. The military intelligence community has warned America of the man's ties to Russia at a time when Russia was caught actively interfering in our election.
It is not that simple and it is not that easily dismissed. People have legitimate concerns about this person and they are right to share those concerns.
I don't buy it. Even if it is just a persona, the fact that you would rub shoulders with people like Bannon and make a "persona" out of scapegoating immigrants and minorities says a lot about you.
There's just something I find really annoying about the "Oh, it's just a persona" argument. It's like one of those obnoxious "pranksters" on Youtube who do stuff that will get them beaten up and try to justify it with "It's just a prank, bro!". Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that you're an asshole.
Whether Trump is personally racist or not, his "persona" has made it OK to be a racist shithead in this country again. That's unacceptable, whether it was a "tactic" or not.
Maybe he likes Bannon because he's a brilliant guy who helped win the election? Bannon is a Harvard Business and London School Of Economics grad, and was a navy captain for 10 years. All the stupid labels around him for running a media company (Breitbart) are just that: stupid.
All I know is that it looks bad from what I've seen. Whether or not Bannon has been successful doesn't matter. If he is the racist he seems to be, then racism doesn't have a "type"; it can afflict successful billionaires and trailer park dwellers in an equal proportion.
Historically the biggest racists have always been the elite, and they have to foster racial tensions between the poor to keep everyone from noticing class tensions.
No way to prove that it worked fully as a tactic until he became the fucking president-elect
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read that book too, before it got re-titled, and remember thinking, "I wish he would run for president."
Nonetheless, I've been against him the whole time he's been campaigning.
It makes me wonder, "why?" What changed since then? I know the media backlash against him has been part of it, but I feel like his positions are very different as well. I should probably just reread the book, but I no longer have a copy so I can't put my finger on exactly what is different.
Hes a business man, and he knows how to advertise. Advertising has evolved from "pros and cons of the product, please buy tho" too subliminal actions, Public Relations, Marketing, and just presenting a brand with certain ideas and values and w/e.
He knows how to get people to listen. There's been a lot of propaganda against him on social media that got the millennials and the Gen Zs to absolutely hate him, with comments he made being taken out of context, high editing and whatever else. I would even go as far as to say Clinton would have been smart enough to fund these efforts, because these accounts/news outlets, all came out and supported her. She had the popular vote amongst the youngsters.
And all the YouTubers that instead of saying, "go vote", said "go vote Clinton" is also just a commentary on how opinionated, sensational, and I would say unintelligent, Millennials and Gen Zs are.
Maybe they were paid off maybe they weren't (but doesn't matter cause millennials and Gen Zs didn't fucking vote enough or whatever), but even as a Gen Z, I knew Trump was gonna be big for 3 reasons:
Hes already famous, He's a business man(art of persuasion), and he appeals to the unvocal minorities.
Politics is advertising social ideas. The fact that propaganda and attack ads are even still allowed in our society is appalling, because simply, with no respect to logic or reason, advertising works.
Source: Advertising student
Edit: I'm also happy this thread came about. He seems, above all, genuine to himself. loud and rude, sure, but I'm Canadian. Our politicians avoid being loud at all, (and try to be super appealing to everyone), because we all know more about your election (somehow), more than our own.
Ibney00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man a politician who laid out his outlandish strategy to become a leader of a nation in a book and no one saw it before he became said leader.
I've never heard of that before.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't mention it because he's running as a republican. Guarantee if he was a democrat we'd hear all about it.
verytroo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think he also said during his interview after election, something on the lines that... sometimes you have to drum up a rhetoric to get people moving somewhere...
tactic that worked absolute wonders during the election
That's a stretch. This past election was an anomaly. I'm not saying that his strategy is total garbage, but saying it worked wonders when he lost the popular vote is just a tad bit of a stretch.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:16:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Losing the popular vote literally doesn't matter the slightest bit. He won the electoral college with an almost landslide gaining over 300 votes, which means he could've lost Florida and still won.
Which is not even my point though. Try considering that the POTUS elect right now is a man, who is hated by both party elites, and someone who was deemed out by all popular media. Despite all of that, he managed to focus on the necessary parts of the American population in the necessary states, and managed to win the election, in a way that has not been seen before.
So his tactic of angering the "Rust Belt" and criticizing the media and "Establishment" actually did work wonders.
So his tactic of angering the "Rust Belt" and criticizing the media and "Establishment" actually did work wonders
I agree with you that his tactic worked in the rust belt, but I doubt it has the same success against a legitimate candidate. Can we agree that he ran against the literal worst democrat nominee in history?
Losing the popular vote literally doesn't matter the slightest bit. He won the electoral college with an almost landslide gaining over 300 votes, which means he could've lost Florida and still won.
I kind of agree with you. I'm not advocating for election by popular vote, as it's not constitutional. But looking the number of votes gives more insight into the election results, which matters a lot.
But i have to say that you can't just look at the number of electoral votes and say it was a landslide without looking at the individual states that he barely won.
When you look at how many votes were cast in the states he won, it tells more of the story. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Those 3 states were blue in 2012, Donald won them each by ~1%. 104,000 votes were the difference in those three states. That's 0.032% of the population. 0.032% was how much The Donald actually won by. Those 104,000 votes would have sent the election to the House, who may have still voted for Trump.
but saying it worked wonders when he lost the popular vote is just a tad bit of a stretch.
He played to win the game by the rules the game is played. So even with him losing the popular vote, getting 300+ EV is getting close to landslide territory.
He played to win the game by the rules the game is played.
You could literally say this about any winning candidate, ever. That doesn't mean that all winners campaigned equally.
Regarding the rest, I would normally agree, but like I said, this election has been a statistical anomaly.
He barely won many key swing states. You could just look at EV, but that won't tell you the whole story. Winning is winning, I agree, but the fact that he won does not invalidate my point here.
He ran against the legit worst democratic nominee in history. Turns out that the media could not succeed in turning her into a palatable candidate. It was a horrible campaign and Trump should thank God almighty that Joe Biden was having family troubles during the primaries and chose not to run.
Low voter turnout- When you look at how many votes were cast in the states he won, it tells more of the story. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Those 3 states were blue in 2012, Donald won them each by ~1%. 104,000 votes was the difference in those three states. That's 0.032% of the population. 0.032% was the difference this year between this election. Yeah, we should count our lucky stars on this one gang.
It's irrelevant if he won or lost. The only reason he even would have lost it would be because California has such a large population. My point was just to annotate how close the election actually was.
remuliini ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That gives me a bad Mein Kampf vibe...
I should read those books.
TK3600 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:43:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please do not read my post too deep, but this really reminds me of Hitler. He also gave a plan of what he will do once he is in power. He did those exactly. It is a strange moment of irony in history.
-Always ask for more than you want(asked for total and complete Muslim ban but really just wants to ban them from terror nations)
-Getting people to think past the sale(he puts the image of him being President in peoples heads. Ex. Saying he would personally call ford and say hes going to tax them at 35%)
zakificus ยท 875 points ยท Posted at 21:00:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a post the other day that used all his wall talk as a great example of talking past a sale.
He says he's going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it
Everyone focuses on the ridiculousness of the "they'll pay for it" part
So they've effectively agreed there will be a wall, now it's just a matter of deciding who pays for it
zakificus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:26:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was some "dealing with people" ask reddit not long ago, and some guy said whenever he gets into conversations with people and someone gets annoying or overly combative he just changes the subject like "how many hyenas could fit in this elevator? Probably not that many, they're bigger than you'd think" and it's so jarring people can't really keep going down the path they were previously talking about.
Not exactly relevant but I was just reminded of it with the "X in the Y trick."
It's old news bit it's absolutely worth watching! Even though I voted for him, I'm still on the fence. This video has reassured me that his intent truly is "Making America Great Again", as lame as that may sound. American news makes him look like a dumbass... But hearing the man speak for himself makes a person really understand that he cares about this great country we really could have.
xc68030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting to see him argue for raising taxes on the wealthy.
I agree, he doesn't seem to be particularly skilled in financial matters, but damn is he a people person. He understands how to turn situations to his advantage very well.
gRod805 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that he's a genius, its that we are stupid.
Do you think that when he said, "My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars," that he tried to get people to focus on the ridiculousness of the statement but still accept it, thus planting the idea that he's experienced with controlling money in very large amounts?
I've seen the clip around the internet, he is saying "a million dollars" as far as I can tell.
TMWNN ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:16:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed.
Real estate is one of the classic ways to make money in human society. Look at how many real-estate developers own pro sports teams. Every big and small city in the US has real-estate people among its wealthy people.
What Trump did, however, is different. Four decades ago he was on paper absolutely no different from 500 other scions of moderately wealthy (as in, a few millions to tens of millions) property developers in the New York metro area. To turn that million-dollar loan into ten billion is, however, unusual; there aren't 50 real-estate multibillionaires in New York, let alone 500. To also become a household name and to have remained one for 30 years and turn that fame into a victorious presidential campaign that along the way destroyed the country's two most powerful political dynasties and made the entire global media look like idiots? That takes brains.
I was not a Trump supporter during the Republican nomination process, although I supported him over Hillary. I recognize, however, that too often "idiot" is used in politics as a synonym for "anyone whose policies I oppose", regardless of that person's actual intelligence. Only an idiot would call Trump an idiot.
Ignoring completely that people are still saying it's a stupid idea, and even the republicans have downgraded it to a partial fence, which coincidentally already exists.
zakificus ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:46:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said I thought it was a good idea or anything like that. Just anecdotally, I saw more mentions of how stupid it was to think Mexico would pay for it than about the idea of a wall in the first place. So the comment I saw about talking past a sale, seemed to have some merit to it.
ronton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You did imply in your comments that people "accepted" the wall, which is so not true. It was more "this wall is not happening, and even on the tiny chance that it did, there's no way mexico's paying for it."
A fence in low risk areas that are out in the middle of the desert that's just logistical.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He IS gonna build a WALL. It's gonna be a GREAT wall, with a DOOR. MEXICO is gonna pay for it. They're GONNA pay for it, guys.
jim653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think itโs a great example at all. Thinking past the sale is a basic sales technique to try to get people over their resistance to proceed with a deal, but I donโt see that there was any resistance among Trumpโs supporters to a wall in the first place. It's a better example of gilding the lily. If he really never intended to try to have Mexico pay for the wall, then, when he drops the idea, he disappoints his supporters (who he was lying to all along) and gives his detractors something to bash him with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jim653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the people opposed to Trump and the wall wouldn't vote for him anyway, so I donโt see how theyโre relevant to this discussion. The only people that this might conceivably have worked on were those who wanted a wall but only if the US didnโt have to pay for it. This theory also ignores the effort he put into trying to persuade people that they needed a wall in the first place (to stop all the drugs, criminals, and illegals flooding in).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jim653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People oppose both, but people oppose the initial proposal a lot more than the revision.
And thatโs exactly why it doesnโt apply here โ people preferred the initial proposal (that someone else would pay) more than the revision (that they will have to pay).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:26 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jim653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:16 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you're saying but it's a different argument from the one I was commenting on, which was that Trump is distracting people from questioning whether they even need a wall by making them spend all their time laughing at the image of him trying to make Mexico pay for it, and thus he will supposedly get them to accept the idea of the wall by default.
Your argument, on the other hand, is that Trump gets the wall's opponents to focus their opposition to the wall on Mexico being made to pay for it, so that he can make their position look weaker by eventually dropping that idea.
The latter is about making opponents focus on a minor objection at the expense of their main objection, while the former is about distracting them from having any objections in the first place. In the former, they don't take the proposition of Mexico paying seriously; in the latter, they do.
Even under your scenario, I don't think it's a good tactic. As I understand it, Trump doesn't need to worry about making the opponents' position look weaker โ he can use an Act already on the books to push through a wall in any case. So, all he will have done is appear to break an election promise in order to accede to his opponents' objection, even though he didn't have to.
Are people even objecting to Mexico having to pay for the wall? I'm not American so I have no idea, but I wouldn't have thought that anyone but his supporters would have taken that seriously, much less make it the main focus of their objection to the wall. I would have expected any opposition to be focused instead on trying to prevent US money being wasted on building a wall that will not stop drugs or illegal immigrants or terrorist attacks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did Mexico agree to a wall?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that last part worked on Nieto himself.
critfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, that's a gross oversimplification of it. Everyone began with how it would be logistically impossible to build the wall and ended on the fact that having Mexico pay for it is the retarded cherry on top and highlights the comical arrogance of the statement.
Everyone is pretending he is a genius, when in reality he is just a classic salesman and American doesn't have the time, patience, or attention span to consider the implications of his words. Which is exactly the mentality that makes salesmen of ordinary products rich in the first place
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Likely not directly with cash, but possibly with tariffs, trade deals, or other methods of having Mexico "pay" for it.
Donnadre ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except nobody agreed about the wall part either, so it's a failed move.
Once he's president, someone will show him/explain to him that we already have extensive fences, walls, guards, drones and generally a humongous border control infrastructure and that dumping tons of money into redundant fences will just bloat government without any benefit whatsoever.
And then he'll claim he never said anything about building a wall, that it was Hillary's idea.
He virtually stopped talking about the wall for a long time near the end of the election. FBI probably told him his wall was impractical and he should shut up about it during a briefing.
Donnadre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure that is the FBI's purview, but anyone who knows anything knows we already have right borders and incredibly strong enforcement.
Furthermore, anyone who can read a newspaper should know the Obama administration has been very aggressive and diligent about deporting criminal immigrants, so Trump's pledges in this regard are meaningless and misleading.
navymmw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:30:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or an panini airline
Ffdmatt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:32:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach sales so this was so apparent and I kept trying to explain to people that he's just a salesman. His pitch was right out of the sales bible.
Hopefully that was just a means to get to a position and do good. Hopefully he's capable of doing it and not just blindly ambitious. Only time will tell.
Crooty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:28:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As I've always said, people call Trump an "idiot" but he's actually incredibly smart.
He has a very good understanding of how the human mind works and how to exploit it and he uses it to his advantage
gahanka ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:11:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also on the last point, building a wall and having Mexico pay for it. Talking like the wall is already built and were talking about whose paying it, instead of if it should be built.
Yeah as a liberal with conservative family members. This was spelled out to me a long time ago. On one level, I understand when people go ape shit over his inflammatory comments, but on another, it's pretty stupid to allow your emotions to be controlled by somebody. Settle the fuck down and try to interpret what people are doing. Because surprise motherfucker, politics is a ruthless game.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He already did that last last thing.
Wus_Pigs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like telling people mexico is going to pay for the wall, so everyone is talking about mexico and how that would work, and the wall itself is rarely objected to?
I'm not saying it isn't useful or even expected from someone in his position. I'm just saying the writer had to choose something to articulate Trumps attitude towards the prioritization of truth versus effect
I'm guessing a country whose government sponsors terrorism or basically: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.
GavinZac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:04:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The highest country per capita rate of joining ISIS was Tunisia, a new US ally after their 'Arab Spring'.
The second highest was the Maldives, a tiny tropical island nation soon to be lost to global warming.
The third was Jordan, widely considered the model Levantine Arab state.
The US's child nations, Bosnia and Kosovo, are in 5th and 7th respectively.
Major US ally Saudi Arabia is in 9th.
Possibly fictional European 'capital country' Belgium is in 14th...
...just ahead of Caribbean coconut paradise Trinidad and Tobago.
None of the nations you listed made the top 15 - beyond which I don't have the numbers. They don't make the total 15 in actual numbers either, nor even in 'per Muslim capita'.
The Syrian government is currently fighting US-armed Sunni fundamentalists and ISIS. Iran is a Shia nation - the group that ISIS have attacked the most. And Sudan... Sudan barely has a government to be sponsoring anything, but they're currently working with US ally Saudi Arabia to destroy Shiites in Yemen.
The last foreign-born attacks were carried out by an Afghani, a nation that the US is currently supporting. The Chattanooga shooter was born in Kuwait, a US ally. Before that the Boston bombers were born in Kyrgyzstan. Before that, you have to go all the way back to 2006 to find the non-fatal 2006 UNC SUV attack carried out by someone whose parents left Iran when he was 2 years old.
Whether or not you believe those nations "sponsor" terror, the people they use are almost never actually from there, so limiting immigration from there does precisely nothing except embolden them.
The principle is that there are a number of places that have a high risk of exporting dangerous individuals or trying to slip them in with immigrants, such as Syria and Iran.
You start an additional vetting process if someone wants to come from those countries.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:53:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Terror nations.
That would be the country that consistently bombs and invades others.
Where the customary homage to its invader troop is " Thank you for your sacrifice/service"
That consistently commits war crimes (Like dropping a bomb on a house where the restaurant was where Saddam was reported to be, killing 14 families in the process)?
Etc etc. Etc.
The US is considered the greatest threat to world peace.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:19:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Muslim ban but really just wants to ban them from terror nations
What's a "terror nation"? Due to the War on Terror, no such thing exists. It's an idea in the heads of disaffected youths worldwide including Americans. A terrorist is as likely to be Belgian as Iranian. America shouldn't be banning entire countries from entering. Lets not continue the trend of awful decisions post-2001.
I buy this. I don't think he would have won if he followed a plan similar to Clinton. He needed to be radically different in order to secure votes from everyone who was against her.
Saying this as someone far away from America, I had a feeling he'd be successful some time ago since I saw his name so frequently and yet had heard little about any others. Regardless of what was being said about him, it certainly attracted attention and look where we are.
Teuthex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:30:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scott Adams actually went into a lot of that from the persuasion perspective. Interesting read even if you're not a fan of Trump. He did a lot of what Adams calls 'pacing and leading'.
K3wp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more like that sometimes its in your best interests to say/do something outrageous if it means you can close a deal, get a client, etc. The other bit is exactly right, shoot for the moon then negotiate down from there.
By saying ridiculous shit all the time he essentially kept himself in the news cycle 24/7, so instead of just being "the other time he ran for president" he stayed in the media's focus for so long that he became a household name as a presidential hopeful... all free promotion.
Trump's church is Norman Vincent Peale's I think, who wrote the Power of Positive Thinking. I am not Christian but I actually find it encouraging as fuck.
We have a winner. The art of the deal convinced me that there was more to Trump than met the eye. Not that it was a life-changing read, it was simply that Trump absolutely knew how to be a calculated manipulator: if he couldn't actually negotiate win-win, he would make your change your own definition of what winning meant - and this is precisely what he did to get elected. I'm a little scared because he's never been in government - but I'm not scared at all about his social policies.... I suspect he'll govern from the middle and be a whole lot like Bill Clinton. In hindsight, I think most people, even the far right, would privately admit that Bill Clinton was a very effective president. Not to get all political, but Hillary was silly not to capitalize on that. Denying she was a moderate was her first big mistake, it made her have to compete with Bernie, who never had the slightest chance of winning - despite what everyone thinks. The country does fine under moderate government - because the very nature of moderation is un-forced compromise. I would not be at all surprised if people's opinion of Trump changes radically in the next year.
The ghostwriter of that book spoke out strongly against judging him based on the book. He said that he (the ghostwriter) wrote the book with relatively minor input from Trump, and that it doesn't represent Trump. The ghostwriter came up with stuff like 'truthful hyperbole', and is outspoken as being against Trump, considering him a dangerous candidate.
I was aware that the guy ( I think he name was Tony Schwartz iirc) came out against him although as /u/eliasrahr points out, Trump pretty much repeats that stuff in his campaign book, which was written ~30 years later. It also kinda fits with his personality from what we know of him.
and that you should start negotiations way beyond what you'll actually settle for.
I feel like this is the basis for his "Mexico will pay for the wall" thing. He doesn't just say "I'm going to build a wall," because then people argue about whether or not a wall actually gets built. The "Mexico will pay for the wall" thing is already assuming a wall will be built - People began arguing about who would pay for it, instead of simply arguing about whether or not it would be built.
Then Mexico argues that it won't pay for the wall. Trump lets them negotiate it down to some extra import/export taxes that go towards funding the wall. Mexico walks away from the negotiation with a raw asshole (because a wall is still being built and they're helping to fund it,) but still feeling like they came out ahead.
Even if Schwartz wrote the whole thing himself, he clearly needed to spend time getting to know Trump, and Trump had to give approval of the final work.
The overwhelming majority of autobiographies are ghost written, but that doesn't mean that the thoughts and viewpoints aren't ultimately Trump's.
On top of that, Schwartz had 30 years to denounce Trump. I find it very odd that he did it in the middle of an election.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had no reason to denounce trump beforehand. Noone would have cared.
They may have when he flirted with running in 2000. They may have when he was the biggest celebrity on TV during the apprentice. They may have during the primaries (the New Yorker piece ran in July 2016). To save it for 3 months before the general election strikes me as very convenient timing.
He didn't write the Art of the Deal. Not a single word in that book was written by Trump, it was ghost written. According to the the ghost writer, Tony Schwarts Trump didn't have the patience to write any material or give Tony enough information to base the book off of. So Tony basically had to make everything in the book up by just observing Trump from a distance. He's been a scathing critic of Trump during this election and is deeply worried about Trump's presidency.
Edit: Even stating unflattering facts about Donald Trump will get you down-voted anymore.
And as I've said in numerous comments since, that even if Schwartz wrote the whole thing, he still needs to observe Trump and Trump still gets the final say. Regardless of whether or not you like Trump, you'd be awfully naive to think that he didn't read the book and approve what was in it before it got published.
The interview released ~30years after publication and in the middle of an election he was contesting, and released by an organization openly seeking to discredit him? That interview is what you want to accept as the gospel truth? Ok.
Which, if we're taking Tony Schwartz's word as 100% gospel, still needs to be based on observations of Trump and Trump would have to give final approval.
I'm not disputing that. Even with an entirely ghostwritten book you have to spend some time with the subject to write an accurate portrayal of him and the subject would clearly have final say on what goes in the book.
If you honestly think Trump hired a ghostwriter and didn't actually read the book before it was published, I have a bridge to sell you...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But art of the deal was ghost written, to quote Donald: "I had a lot of choice of who to have write the book, and I chose [Schwartz]", and to quote the book's publishers "Trump didnโt write a postcard for us!".
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't write the "Art of the Deal," though. It was ghostwritten, and his ghostwriter stated how Donald Trump couldn't be interviewed for any long portion of time, so he would just sit in his office all day and Trump gave him a phone on the same line to listen to everything that would go on. He said Trump would make things up on the spot to confuse the other people while using other people to take advantage of others. The writer said he invented most of the terms in the book and got his demeanor through shadowing Trump for months.
Not very? It's like convincing shareholders to vote out board members they hate.
ktappe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't write that book though. It was ghostwritten, with very little input from Trump himself. The author had to follow him around and glean the text from just observing Trump, who wouldn't sit still long enough to even be interviewed.
I was seriously considering voting for McCain until that bullshit.
Pence is pretty tragic too.
Jezus53 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt so bad for McCain when that happened. I was thinking he had a hard enough time going against a young, charismatic, black man and then he gets the shittiest of VP nominations. T
I mean the guy is a damn POW, could we have at least let him lose with some dignity?
I liked a lot of what McCain had to say and was like "Y'know, even if he gets elected, I'd be OK with that". I liked Obama a lot too, but after Palin, that sealed the deal.
Shit, even Romney I would have been reasonably OK with.
Trump though... man, even if he picked a great running mate I loved, I still never would have voted for him. This has been a truly weird election cycle, that's for sure.
tlrider1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, same here! The guy had my vote aaaannnd theeeennnn..... Palin!
Why? He broke all the rules the entire campaign and snubbed his nose at the establishment... it seems very odd he picked a super-establishment VP last minute like that. He would have won no matter who he chose.
No, he's a New York moderate. Bloomberg was a social liberal but economic conservative. Our government definitely didn't get smaller, but Bloomberg left NYC with a $1B surplus. Banning smoking in all public places (including parks), installing bikes and redoing the roads to be bike friendly, redistributing police resources so big crime areas get more coverage are all NOT small government things.
Libertarianism as it stands today is more like Tea Party crazy than sensible fat trimming.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Not at all. I'm not sure what he would be, given his weak ideological positions, but definitely not a libertarian. The only thing I know he is is a populist.
As a Libertarian, I absolutely hate when people conflate being Libertarian with being economically conservative and socially liberal. They are not the same thing, and in fact many who identify as economically conservative and socially liberal support lots of authoritarian policies.
Well, when people describe Libertarian policies, people extrapolate those policies. Then again, these political compass test thingies are notoriously underwhelming at describing true Libertarianism...
That said, isn't Trump still considered Libertarian from his dour viewpoint of the authoritative constructs of our world?
Yeah, and? Shall I link Jo Cox's wikipedia page, so we both have a martyr to browbeat with?
Getting assassinated doesn't prove you right or wrong...
Wawoowoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really sure what you're on about. Unless you're claiming that not wanting to be hung in the streets for homosexuality is the socially conservative position.
If you're socially liberal, then logically, banning Muslims should be your #1 priority.
moontime1 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:15:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your a reasonable person you can always find policies from both parties that you like. To bad there is no middle, You have to be all left or all right.
This is one reason that I like him. He's not loyal to any party but instead, is loyal to America. I think he'll get some things done and be a decent president. Then again, who am I?
I agree, his acceptance speech gave me hope that his presidency might not be a complete travesty. There's still the environment to think about though . . .
I have, and I know they're awful. But I can't lose hope again, I have to be hopeful about the future. I also feel a responsibility and a duty to call my elected officials and let them know where I stand on the things that matter to me. Also I am open to conversation with people who don't just agree with me, and that's all I can do, really.
I hope you're right. Absolutely no one should want trump to live up to their low expectations since the moral victory would be far outweighed by the actual consequences. I do worry that he will live up to the fears.
MAG7C ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:56:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has me worried more than the man himself. So much Bush era coming back to haunt us. Starting with a VP that looks to Cheney as a role model.
Though I am concerned about his temperament -- that he will start to resemble a cross between Turkish President Erdogan and Richard Nixon after a few years in office.
jkmonty94 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:03:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
IMO, Pence was a pick to bring in more conservative Republican votes. Donald himself is actually more liberal in many regards than just about any Republican before him (LGBT rights, marijuana, etc.), so he needed Pence to balance out public perception for those people.
I could be wrong, though
Tango15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ronald Reagan was a Democrat for years before switching to the Republican party. People change..
fleaona ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep pointing out to people that he's been Republican, Democrat, Independent, and Reform party. Of his 70 years, say.. 52 adult years, only 15 have been Republican.
curias00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're bigotry is showing. Did you know that Republicans are mostly nice people who don't beat the shit out of people with opposing views?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you say to his appointing of a literal white nationalist to an office then? That's pretty firmly a far right action
This is only half true. He's had a variety of party affiliations over the last few decades. He was briefly registered as a Democrat, but also spent a lot of time as a registered Republican, as well as a couple 3rd parties. It's not like he suddenly, for the first time ever, registered as a Republican just to run for the Presidency.
_niko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought so, too - until I saw his choice of people for the new administration.
I don't think he believed half the shit he was saying, but the voters he was targeted do.
The people in rust belt are hurting, so they started looking for an outgroup, a fearful threat to blame for your woes. Trump validated their fears and offered a solution.
He also vilified the press for being dishonest, which they were and doubled down by calling Trump every name in the book, which gave his target demo reason to ignore what they said about him.
arnaudh ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 16:56:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I feel that like some ill-educated folks, he is easily influenced by the people close to him. I know and I have known a few people like that. They're smart, have some education, but show them a documentary or have them read a book on a specific topic with a slant, and they'll totally buy into it and it will change their world view. For weeks and months, they'll experience everything under that new light. (There's gotta be a word or concept for this, but I didn't study psychology.) They don't have enough references or knowledge to be critical on the topic, so they'll totally buy into it.
Then a few weeks or months later you give them another book or documentary to watch - or even fiction that includes a cool concept in it - and it happens again, even if it somewhat contradicts the previous experience they had.
They just have little critical thinking, and are easily influenced. Those are people you can easily plant an idea in, even a dangerous one, and they will just see what they consider is the positive part, and refuse to consider the toxic one. They don't mean harm. They sincerely think they are good people and are not haters. They're also often easily drawn into conspiracy theories.
This is my half-assed theory at least, which fits with the testimonials we've been hearing that Trump tends to listen to the last influential person he talked to.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:55:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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diddy1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huxley writes that the mental sensitivity to be really really smart also tends to make one suggestible. Or something roughly similar to that. In Island.
Or to put it in an even simpler way: being "really smart" is the result of having a mind which absorbs information readily. Hence you learn fast, and you're easily reprogrammed.
I think a lot of smart folks, despite being very socially intuitive, overestimate the intellectual capabilities of those around them because they underestimate themselves.
When absorption and creative thought come so easily to someone, it's hard for them to realize they're extraordinary without someone else's help.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Critical thinking/logic, sure. It could easily be part of English as it is similar to grammar. Or math for obvious reasons. But because it doesn't teach a kid how to answer a very specific question which doesn't reflect on real world needs, it won't be taught.
Philosophy, though, should not be required, and I say this as a student of Philosophy. Reasoning can be taught without Descartes. Philosophy can never be successfully shoved down kids' throats. They need to ask their questions and come to the fountain willingly.
The anti-semitism is terrible, but it's not just that. It's also that Trump was elected, in part, by the precarious, unskilled and semi-skilled, downwardly mobile, lower income groups in rust belt towns and small one-company towns that were gutted by NAFTA and by shifting manufacturing to China. Breitbart's brand of hyper-capitalist libertarian economics isn't going to do anything to help those people. It will squeeze them even harder. If Trump cannot bring back good, steady jobs, with decent wages and benefits, then he will be storing up a whole lot of very dangerous anger.
I 100% think this is Donald. There's an interview with the man who ghost-wrote The Art of the Deal that says Trump has an awful attention span. I find it hard to believe that any flip flops are sustained Machiavellian games. I think he's just very influenced by the last opinion he hears. Look at how deferential he seemed after the meeting with Obama. The trouble is, now he's surrounded by some nasty-ass people.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:55:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The debates really sent this home. He could hold it together for about 20-30 minutes before going off the rails.
arnaudh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I think that's the reason why he's guarding his children so close to him. He has no friends, and deep inside he instinctively knows these are the people whom he should trust.
Then again, that could also set him up for some Shakespearean shit.
Um this is pretty much universal. Look at how successful Michael Moore's films were despite being very blatantly biased.
arnaudh ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:47:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not universal. And his movies being successful doesn't mean a lot of the viewers - including some of his fans - can't be critical about it. A lot of liberals I know (even people who've never been there) for instance rolled their eyes at the part in Sicko where he praises the Cuban healthcare system. Or the part in Bowling... where he leaves a memorial at Charlton Heston's house.
The people I'm talking about will go all in instead. No critical thinking. No nuances. They buy it all retail.
EDIT: Since some people are feeling the need to interpret this in a partisan way, I'm not talking solely about liberals or solely about conservatives here. There are people like that on both sides of the spectrum.
kthnxbai9 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 18:03:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you think it's a bit strange that you describe liberals over a spectrum but all conservatives are black-and-white blind sheep?
arnaudh ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:05:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where did I say conservatives where "black-and-white blind sheep"?
Oh, that's right. I didn't, because that's not what I think.
Nice try.
kthnxbai9 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have separated the world into liberals and nonliberals (which I will call conservatives). Liberals criticize things even if they support their world view. Nonliberals just buy everything. Is it not possible that many or even most liberals also buy into the nonsense?
By the way, before you get too huffy about this. I am a lifelong Democrat that voted Hillary this election.
arnaudh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:14:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have separated the world into liberals and nonliberals
No. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Liberals criticize things even if they support their world view. Nonliberals just buy everything. Is it not possible that many or even most liberals also buy into the nonsense?
Where the fuck did I say anything like that? I didn't. I am perfectly aware there are plenty of liberals who are like that. I know some of those too. They watch MSNBC all day and follow Occupy Democrats on Facebook and they can't think for themselves. Why are you assuming I'm saying otherwise?
You have me pegged here but you're completely fucking wrong. Just because I didn't mention them in that previous post doesn't mean they don't exist. I never made a generalization about all liberals or all conservatives.
Man, I've been fighting the war on Ignorance on both fronts since well before the election. I just don't like how many people on my facebook feed just buy into the propaganda spread by their particular biased news site.
arnaudh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people are looking for validation. Once you find a news source of a group of folks who have the same beliefs you have, it just makes you feel like you're part of a tribe or something. I don't know.
I believe that's called paradigm shift. I don't feel like looking up Trump's school record but I imagine he's very well educated.
arnaudh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that's called paradigm shift.
Nope.
I don't feel like looking up Trump's school record but I imagine he's very well educated.
His college transcripts haven't been released. But we do know we never made the honor roll. His resume doesn't make him "well educated". It doesn't mean he cultivated critical thinking - especially since he went into business. It just means he attended good schools. Bush Jr. made it to Yale but never was an impressive student.
Trump sure likes to tell us he's very intelligent though. I'm convinced he's street smart when it comes to business. Doesn't make him "well educated".
deelar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bush Jr. is regarded as amazingly intelligent, with huge scope and depth of knowledge and an incredible ability to absorb new information quickly. This has been spoken of widely by many people who have worked closely with him. There are many, many sources about this topic, and it is even known that his "dumbed down" persona was a purposeful and targeted transformation after loosing his 1978 congressional race due to his academic background.
Here's a radio ad from his opponent:
In 1961, when Kent Hance graduated from Dimmitt High School in the 19th congressional district, his opponent George W. Bush was attending Andover Academy in Massachusetts. In 1965, when Kent Hance graduated from Texas Tech, his opponent was at Yale University. And while Kent Hance graduated from University of Texas Law School, his opponent -- get this, folks -- was attending Harvard.
arnaudh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said Bush was stupid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:31:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. My friend has a very high fluid intelligence and is incredibly street smart. But he knows very little about history, economics and politics so he is very susceptible to changing his world view.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mate I don't even think it applies to ill-educated people. I know a very smart man, well paying job managing programmes in IT but he's been scammed out of money a few times by friends who knew they were onto a 'good thing' and he followed them blindly, often losing out in the process when it all goes tits up (property endeavors and some other side projects). He told me he was voting to leave the EU (Brit here) because of the Indians that are taking IT jobs for far less money Brits would. But then he's running major programmes for big companies.
Brains are weird.
arnaudh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, "ill-educated" might not be the best word I could have chosen. Note that I didn't choose "poorly educated", because Trump went to good schools. Technically, he wasn't poorly educated at all (although he told us he loves the "poorly educated").
By "ill-educated", I really meant someone who has some education, but is not well-rounded. Somewhat who lacks critical thinking. Who has seen the world or an issue through just one lens, and not necessarily the sharpest one.
Hopefully that makes sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting stuff.
Kid_Budi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
joncash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, strange no one has mentioned it, it's called saliency. Basically once you hear about something, you'll notice it more. Like when they say bad things comes in threes, you'll start counting bad things and count to three and be like OMG it's real.
Until of course the next thing to catch your mind that is. Here's the thing, you do it too. You just don't notice it. We all do it. We only NOTICE other people because we're noticing them more, because they're guess what? Salient to us :).
arnaudh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you are describing America. Our cultural motion is towards being influenced by people rather than by facts. We are easily influenced to believe what we want to believe, and for very many what we want to believe is whatever our social circle or idols tell us to believe.
He declared that Judge Gonzalo Curiel was not fit to try his case because of the judge's Mexican ancestry, in a case concerning his Trump University lecture thing. He walked back the comments, but still, that was a very clearly racist argument to be making.
He declared that Judge Gonzalo Curiel was not fit to try his case because of the judge's membership in La Raza, which means 'The Race', and is an (obviously) explicitly racist organization.
One translation might literally be the race, but it can also be translated as the community or the people. Besides, he's part of a Latino lawyer association, not NCLR.
No, she didn't. Half of America didn't vote for Trump -- approximately a quarter did, and I'm perfectly okay with recognizing that at least 1/8th of Americans can be regarded as deplorables. Note that she didn't say anything about being unwilling to help those people, despite their deplorability.
Lol the beer picture sums it up. Focus on what you're doing ma'am and we can all enjoy watching it more
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About the Facebook post... He posted a pic of him eating a taco bowl captioned "I love Hispanics" and this dominated the news for DAYS. He knew what he was doing.
Some people seem to forget that Trump knows how to play the media game. He knows what to say to get attention. He also knows where the line is and how far over it he can go without ruining everything. He did just that this is whole election.
I really really doubt the man is as evil and hateful as people have deduced so quickly.
I appreciate your point. However, please don't forget how many millions of people have been observing him since before Bill Clinton was President. We have more of a history from which to form opinions.
...he gave him one of the most powerful positions around. Most people don't remember Bush's chief of staff. They do remember his strategist Karl Rove though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he helped him become president in the most unorthodox campaign in recent history, there's likely no reason to doubt his usefulness.
This whole response to Trump's equally (when compared with HRC) fallacious approach to politics has been absurd. Everything she said was made out to be genuine and truthful because it more appropriately aligned with the values of the young, average, semi-intelligent American. Likewise, Trump starts spewing ridiculous shit to win over voters and immediately a man who has been in the public eye for years and years and years with virtually no problems aside from his vanity and greed has been an underground white supremacist, woman-hating, Hitler.
To your first point, so we agree that bannon will not be a figurehead appointment. Thats the problem - the CEO of breitbart will be his active right hand. Lets not pretend that's the most likely outcome here is a good one for civilized society
Second, are you seriously comparing Hillary's shifting promises on cost of education to trumps demagoguery? This is some new level of false equivalence. He used dog whistles left right and center to win. Yeah, I think there is a word of difference between someone who promises to target religious groups and one who targets educational cost reforms.
Third, trump was never some candidate for pope. He was sued (and settled) multiple times for racist renting policies, was literally recorded about how he forced himself on women, has been accused in the past of assault, ex etc etc. Trump always had issues, the country didn't give a damn because he wasn't running for president. I promise that if you run for president, people would care more about your actions than they do now.
lol did she hand it to someone like that?? I've only seen the picture.
BenjiG19 ยท 389 points ยท Posted at 16:55:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought he was running as a way to guarantee a Hillary victory (since he funded her and Bill for so long) and that he was acting nuts so he'd lose. He underestimated how much people hate Hillary and here we are.
There's an anecdote about an idea I remember, a pitch for a show where someone tries their hardest not to get elected, but end up elected. Then they do the stupidest things they can, which end up being the best possible decision. Like, "Decide to nuke Canada, turns out they were planning to invade the next day". Shit like that.
I've been really disappointed with this season. They really missed the mark and didn't see what trump was doing.
Instead, they are just fear mongering hard core. They didn't even write a trump victory episode because they didn't think it was possible. And now we're stuck with mr garrison trump for the next 4 - 8 years.
The fact that he was flying all over doing 4-5 rallies a day for weeks on end seems to dispute that. He worked way too hard for someone who wanted to lose.
His reaction to winning may have just been shock, in that although he really wanted to win, he internally didn't expect it to happen because of the polls.
chaz182 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you listen to anyone on Trump's team they absolutely expected to win. Their internal polling did a much better job of catching the movement in the upper Midwest than the public polls did.
Shock might not be the exactly right word, but something in his face when he walked out to give his victory speech. Maybe just a mix of relief and pride or something, but I felt like there was a hint of surprise.
The media was in the pocket of the opponent, and he isn't the kind to be humble and admit his flaws when the accusations are coming from people who suck at being journalists.
chaz182 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you listen to anyone on Trump's team they absolutely expected to win. Their internal polling did a much better job of catching the movement in the upper Midwest than the public polls did.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:59:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By all accounts, the trump campaign was extremely surprised that they won. They're also absolutely freaking out trying to put together a government during the short transition period, because he didn't have shit planned. They're going to have to make dozens of appointments, and they've already stalled a week because they had to fire Christie and replace him with Pence as head of the transition team.
I think Christie had a transition plan. I suspect it was more 'politics as usual' so he got fired and the plan was dumped. Then all the lobbyists got fired. Either they have no idea what they're doing or they're up to something. It looks pretty deliberate, tho.
It was weird watching Kellyann Conway in interviews, trying to stay positive when asked about Trump's chances of winning the election. You could tell they truly didn't think he was going to win. I wonder if they had that we'll cross that bridge when we get to it attitude when it came to actually planning everything.
Didn't help Trump was extremely superstitious and basically didn't let anyone plan on him winning in fear it might jinx it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:48:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
by all accounts trump wasnt gonna win the primaries by all accounts trump wasnt gonna beat hillary by all accounts the media is consistently wrong
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:01:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um pretty much every political scientist had Hillary winning. All polling and data that we had showed Hillary winning by a landslide. The entire political science field is flipped backasswards right now trying to figure out what happened. It wasn't "the media". Experts were wrong. We were all wrong.
We need to stop trusting experts. CNN has panel after panel of people being paid to provide a narrative. Journalism is dead and the opinions of trust on the media reflect that clearly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:50:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are not experts. I am referring to professional political scientists who lecture and do research for a living. Not CNN analysts who they pay to sculpt a shitty narrative out of raw data.
Every piece of representative data that we had access to showed Hillary winning. This year it was not about a narrative, that is legitimately what all polling and other data concluded, almost without a doubt. It will be weeks/months before we see research that starts pointing towards social and demographic correlations that caused the outcome.
I never understood that theory solely on the idea that say what you want about him, but no way that man doesn't have a decent enough ego to not hand anyone an election, especially being the last candidate against her. I could even see sort of an "either we way we win" type of scenario, but Trump of all people willingly losing? I just can't see it.
I thought the same...but what took me from that side, is that Trump doesn't like to lose
gambit61 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:22:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was my theory. I still think it's true, but it just ended up backfiring spectacularly. Also, I generally vote Democrat, but have always considered myself Independent, and in this election, I didn't want to vote for either party. Hillary was terrifying to me from a policy standpoint (mostly because I can't trust any policy she says she wants because it changes every few months). Trump never scared me, but his FOLLOWERS scared me. The people who are going around and committing hate crimes and touting white supremacy. THEY scared me. Trump will probably be fine. It's the empowered hatemongers that will bring this country down.
Not only Hillary, but Obamacare (the lies "you can keep your doctor" and "rates won't go up double digits") as well as the culture of "if you don't believe exactly what the media says you're a racist, sexist, xenophobe, etc."...
No, I just don't think that after 4 cops are killed in Dallas that Obama should skip the funerals and invite Black Lives Matter riot organizers to the white house during the funerals... It sends a "diversity and chaos are ok, murder is ok to get your way" vibe. It offended a LOT of America (obviously outside of Reddit.)
BenjiG19 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:05:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I for one was tired of being called a racist for 8 years even though I'm not. I didn't vote for Trump but I was very very happy to see Hillary lose. Reddit is an echo chamber for one ideology. My Facebook feed is the opposite.
When you in big business like he was you need to make the people who can get you permits and clearances happy. All business people do it to politicians of both parties
You don't get to where he is in life without smarts. I'm not at all saying that he's a nice man, or a good man, but he had to have the intellect to successfully work the system to get to where he was a household name long before he ran for President.
punkr0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think his inheritance has been the major factor in his publicity. And it's possible that he would be even more successful if he had just quietly invested that money.
And it's possible that he would be even more successful if he had just quietly invested that money.
It's possible, but he didn't. He took the hard way and still made out good. Compare that to plenty of other people who inherit similar amounts of money and there's a clear disparity in achievement.
Multiple studies show that trump has grossly underperformed both the stock market and the real estate market. Google "trump underperformed stock market" for more.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you referring to? Its not about media. This is not the future or guesswork. This is historical information. You can take the base numbers and run the calculations yourself. The only guesswork is using trumps own estimate of his net worth.
Yeah, and trump sucks at it. Started rich, did worse than average given the massive pile he inherited.
If Mark zuckerbergs kid made 50 billion on daddy's wealth over 20 years during a massive bull market, that kid isn't a genius. He's an idiot who underperformed, but is doing well because of the huge base he has.
He inherited his wealth, went bankrupt multiple times, sunk the public listed company that he team, losing money for all investors, etc etc. Mark zuckerbergs kid is far richer, but may have the intellectual horse power of a potato for all we know.
Trump is good at branding, but seems to be a complete lightweight in actual management and investment .
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1000x? What are your starting and final numbers and what period of time? It's estimated that he inherited 200 million, excluding the tens of millions of initial funding and bailouts from his father that he received for years. If you assume he inherited only 50 million, he should be worth 50 billion by your multiple. Even he doesn't think he's worth that much.
If you run by the estimates of 200 million, he should be the richest man on earth, not some guy who gets denied loans or needs to run scam universities.
foxh8er ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:10:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He beat 15 experienced politicians/political candidates. I fucking hate the guy but I'll give him that. Him tearing down the Republican establishment was the highlight of 2015 and early 2016...until he won.
Teuthex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:32:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He mostly did it through manipulating a hostile media. Even if you hate the guy, you've gotta admit he has damn near unprecedented skills at that.
LBCdaze ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:18:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Uhh maybe that he runs multiple successful businesses, Starred on his own TV show for years etc. He is a very accomplished, successful man and surrounds himself with very smart people.
This rhetoric that he is stupid is ridiculous, and its coming from people sitting on their couch staring at their useless liberal arts degree on the wall as they get ready to clock in at Starbucks.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:33:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't vote for Trump, as I feel like the social cons outweigh the possible economic pros, but this comment is spot on. There's no way Donald Trump is not smart.
dmt267 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.theres a video taking quotes from his book and then uses examples of the ways he used those applications in his campaign
Meta0X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it matter, though? Persona to win votes or not, he's given a large and hateful part of the population a victory, and he keeps bringing on terrible fucking people to work with him while he's in office.
Any idea that this was all an act is instantly cancelled out the second I remember that fucking Pence is his VP.
It somehow makes it worse, to me. I know all politicians lie but his hateful rhetoric was unprecedented. If he's a decent guy it makes it worse that he was willing to do that to our country.
He's the Colbert Report version of Stephen Colbert for the presidency???
I'd die laughing. It was all a sham and he's just a genuine socially liberal, fiscally conservative moderate, like wut. Would also be what most of the country actually wants, even if they won't elect someone like that.
Wasn't that obvious? Why would that make people okay with him being president? It's what all politicians do. Based on his policy platform he'd be awful and that's why people should think he's an awful choice.
I'm hopeful this is the case, but I'm still worried about the people he's surrounding himself with.
joltto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which I personally think is probably true, but he also seems to be just handing the reins of the government over to establishment Republicans and big business people so it really doesn't matter who he actually is as a person.
Everyone who has worked with him on business deals said they know exactly who Trump the candidate is. Because that is Trump being serious.
Of course he is a generic sometimes odd-ball human being in normal situations.
Klashus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said himself he did it for the media attention. Every time he said something everyone in the country would hear. You can't even pay for that kind of coverage and he got it for free.
It's a persona and I'm not a fan of his. He seems like a genuine person now but knew he had to be entertaining to get the votes. I can't blame him for that.
Santoron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which in my mind makes it worse. This guy pandered to the worst in our society, and he knows it. All for an ego stroke.
For the sake of friends who are super upset about him being elected (American friends worried about their healthcare, Baltic and Balkans friends worried about his relationship with Putin), I really hope you're right.
He was being the anti-politician. So saying politically incorrect stuff, that then gets repeated and repeated on the establishment media (that also call his electorate dumb) is the best press he can have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a persona fabricated by the media by
selectively editing and misrepresenting what he says. Anyone who has watched him live or at least watched his videos first hand voted for him.
He's been this way since 2011 or 2012, when he went nuts with the birther stuff and constantly tweeted things like this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was one of the debates or maybe one of his speeches on his campaign trail, but I remember him saying something to the effect of, "I'll behave so Presidential, you won't believe how Presidential I become" or something to that effect.
arnaudh ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:50:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we elected the guy who owns the local car dealerships in my county. I've heard various stories about him and meet him occasionally. Sometimes he's a total braggart and behaves like a superior douche. Other times he'll leave a nice tip and be a decent human being. But completely unpredictable. Always drives a different car (obviously) and lives in a McMansion.
I honestly think everything during the election was a show. He may not be a great guy but he is smart.
I feel he knew what he had to say to rile up the right voters, and it paid off. I don't think he's supportive of the KKK or anything like that or going to do anything for them. He just wanted their votes and knew what to say to get them.
magenpie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that there's been a difference between Donald Trump the actual human being, and Donald Trumpยฎ the brand for quite a while. Everything about his public persona - the appearance, the manner, the way he talks, etc. - seems to be aimed at making him unique and easily recognisable. Even the appearance of his stuff is recognisably Trump. The election just turned all that up to eleven.
Yeah sorry reply was typed in the wrong box in my replies. Had a similar comment in another thread and had to type quickly. Didn't bother to double check which one I was replying to XD Don't post in too many hot threads. You can't keep your replies straight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those times where your answer is so close to being the right number, but just that teeny tiny difference is enough to show you don't understand the concept. I would give you no credit if this were an exam
gcz77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, koopa_troopa. I was joking anyway, just about how he clearly subtracted when he should have divided.
gcz77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First of all quantity isn't the salient feature of this argument. In other words there is no reason to give any conceptual power to 10,000 people that you shouldn't give to a single person. Second of all the Klan condemns crime. They are a hate group but they don't kill people. Bill Ayers does.
The New Black Panther Party and it's leader endorsed obama. This is a group of "black supremacists" who don't like white people and absolutely hate jews, and activly encourages violence(which the klan does not). Guess which candidate this party endorsed?
And that my friend is what I call "the problem of narrative" and "arbitrary standards of rigour".
bizitmap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump said bigoted things. So there's two possibilities. First is that he meant them, which makes him a bigot. The second is that he didn't mean them. The only reason I can think of to say bigoted things but not mean them... is to get bigots to like you and vote for you.
So even if he said he didn't want the KKK's support, he sure chose to keep saying things that were music to their ears.
This is not what we were talking about in the first place at all.
bizitmap ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes we were? What thread are you reading
kick6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:36:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if that's true he still riled up the Black Panthers and other shitty groups of people, who now think "we won" and feel empowered to be shittier.
That's not an okay thing to do.
Rewind 8 years, and it was fine-just-fine.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet that's exactly what blacks did when Obama won. And why our country is so divided now. Plus, the KKK endorsed Hillary, not Trump.
The KKK endorsed Hillary? I guess that would explain why our state (NC) KKK organization is planning a Victory Rally to celebrate Trump winning. Up until 4 days ago (when it made natl media & they started getting a ton of hate mail & attacks that crashed their servers) they had a huge announcement about it on their website along with a big picture of Trump. I wish I would have taken a screen shot, but I honestly didn't think they'd change it.
According to what they've told our local media they're still planning on having their victory rally though.
I don't see a lot of evidence for this. I don't think he's stupid, but I don't see any evidence of him as smart. He doesn't interview well and some of his language is so poorly constructed they border on confusing. For someone who's spent so much time on camera he's a poor communicator, and that's looking past his overall appearance.
I'm willing to be put straight on this and hope like everyone else he was just gaming the system, but I didn't see any brilliant plays before the election, just low level muck raking and comments that made him look ridiculous, which, as wee see from the likes of reality TV is pretty damn easy just as long as you can live with it.
Someone who is smart at self promotion is widely respected and revered. He's not. He's one of the most disliked people in the world. He's ridiculed by millions. He's seen as scary, threatening, racist, sexist, mouthy and a bully because of what he says and does. He's famous, yes, but so are Kim Kardashian and Snooky. They didn't inherit a massive, billion $ empire to get where they are. Trumps been trying to be famous for years. He's now 70. It's not like he's done anything notable or revered in the last 30 years when he would have been about Obamas age.
You want smart at self promotion just look at Obama or JFK. A far, far higher proportion of people think they're either charming, polite, intelligent, well spoken or all 4. Look at how god-like Steve Jobs was treated even though he was a total bastard. See how everyone used to talk about Bill Gates 15 years ago compared to now - he was practically Satan at one point. These are the people 'smart' at self promotion.
I hate to inform you, but the society you speak of no longer exists. We are in the era of "facts mean nothing" and "reading is bad" It's all about feelings over fact now. Most of our society has the attention span of a gnat and the ethics of hedge fund managers. Trump got voted in, in large part because of how much of a douchebag he is. A great many Americans are this abrasive and rude. Trump didn't have to spend much money to gain the media attention. He didn't care if it was negative attention. I didn't vote for him and am NOT a fan of his in any way, but he played the media to his advantage, and I'm fairly certain that was planned.
This exactly. I don't like the man, and didn't vote for him. But he played this election just right.
Though to be fair, Clinton needed a more promoted platform.
Trumps platform views were always headline news (partially because they were crazy), but Clintons I never saw any big news for, it was all small less publicized articles. I had to dig for hers myself and do research (Which everyone should do). The only "Platform" I consistently heard from her on media or elsewhere was just "I'm not Trump." Which, while a good argument, it needed more to sway voters I think.
I fully blame the media. Viewers = revenue. Controversy = ratings = viewers = profit. They showed Trump more to get ratings so most media was focused on how bad Trump was instead of how good Clinton could be.
This too. In advertising, the goal is to get the ads in front of users as much as possible. Because more exposure means more likely to develop a like or positive view towards.
There were bands that I used to hate, but after listening to enough, learned to like. Same thing could be said about Trump. Hear enough about him you'll either get sick and leave, or theres also the camp that goes, "Well lets see what this guy is really about for them to talk so much about him." And they get swayed.
While i fault the media for giving Trump all this free press, I'm also not sure what else they could have done with Hillary, as she wasn't exciting the voters at all. I mean the media couldn't have ignored Trump either. Not sure how society gets out of this little box.
She reallydidnt. It really didn't help with her little quote about Bernie's supporters needing to be good little Dems and vote for her, but then saying she doesn't need us to win and then not courting voters. I think she got too complicit in the thought that there was no way she could lose.
Agreed! As a very strong Bernie supporter I really did not know how I'd vote until 3 days before the election. I really did not wish to vote for her, but being in a swing state I felt I had to vote against Trump.
I don't see a lot of evidence for this. I don't think he's stupid, but I don't see any evidence of him as smart. He doesn't interview well and some of his language is so poorly constructed they border on confusing. For someone who's spent so much time on camera he's a poor communicator, and that's looking past his overall appearance.
I'm willing to be put straight on this and hope like everyone else he was just gaming the system, but I didn't see any brilliant plays before the election, just low level muck raking and comments that made him look ridiculous, which, as wee see from the likes of reality TV is pretty damn easy just as long as you can live with it.
Having met Obama on many occasions and having worked with Trump a couple of times, Trump came off as much more intelligent.
Neither seemed dumb, both well above average. Trump just seemed much more intelligent.
You seemed to be biased against him if you are using things like his appearance to judge his intellect.
You appear to be a bad judge of character. I didn't say his appearance was anything to do with intelligence - I said it showed a lack of 'self awareness'. But I get that you might find Trump intelligent if that's your logic process. I'm also a skeptic so I'll have to question that you've actually met either to any extent. Don't forget there's people out there who think Sarah Palin is 'intelligent' and she's on the very low end of the IQ rating. But let's put that aside as it's all circumstantial.
I said what I said because there's hundreds of hours of video of both Trump and Obama. You can cite many instances where Obama gives sound, reasoned answers to very complex political situations. The worst photo out there is of him smoking. He doesn't sue, bully or insult people. He's clearly confident, never course or crude, he's charming, he's won people over massively with it. That's fairly undeniable and it's certainly not just my personal opinion.
Not with Trump. His language is confusing. His sentence structure and choice of language is primitive and simplistic. He demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of politics, science and law. He entertains daft conspiracy theories. He back tracks and apologises for ridiculous things he says. His branding is ugly and crude. His houses are tacky. Trump 'University' is a running joke. He swears (a lot) and insults as a 'tactic' and people hate him for it.
As I said I'm prepared to be convinced if someone can point to actual video, written or audio evidence that shows ANY signs of genuine intelligent conversation. It should be so simple to point to it and yet every time I ask I get radio silence. Can you point to ANY one instance?
Nah, some douche in an ascot will pull his mask off to reveal he's actually mr. Jenkins trying to get the golden dubloons buried in the white house back yard
He was absolutely putting on a show. He identified the largest group of angry, disenfranchised voters he could find, and appealed directly to them in the easiest way possible. His absurd statements and charades granted him so much free media attention that he was able to spend less than 1/10th what Hillary did. His entire campaign was masterfully run and executed.
What makes this scary is that we have no idea what kind of president he's going to be. Even if he tries to follow through on his promises to revisit our trade deals and implement term limits (actually good ideas!), will he be able to? He had to make allies with a lot of distasteful people, and his cabinet appointments are like 50% straight evil. Does he have the savvy and power required to reign them in? If not... we're in for a rough 4 years.
Shisno_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was an interesting set of posts on Imgur about Trump's tactics. I had been kicking the idea around in my head after watching the first Republican debate, and these two confirmed my suspicions.
Lolwut? Trump didn't need the media's help to look like a jackass. He did that on his own by insulting disabilities, insulting appearances, insulting families, advocating violence against his critics, threatening to sue any time a media outlet talked bad about him, etc.
He was putting on a show, he's still not an okay dude. Why do people's perceptions of others change so much based on some hearsay from a complete stranger?
It's not a show, he is a great guy I've worked on a couple of his projects yrs back and he is a hands on kinda guy, he didn't look down at us blue collar guys, I got the impression that he appreciated us being there and working hard
Warphead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or if the media brainwashed you. he said some stupid shit don't get me wrong, he didn't help himself much. but i've never seen the media vilify somebody this way.
There's a big difference between being friendly and being nice or considerate. People often conflate them, but it's very easy for a person to be warm and pleasant towards most people they meet as a default level of interaction, but not act with much concern for the needs or feelings of others.
Trump is very probably, although I say this without having had the chance to observe him in his personal life, a clinical narcissist. And speaking from experience with other narcissists I know, some of them are definitely people who others would describe as friendly, warm, even "good" people (I know one person with Narcissistic Personality Disorder who's a social worker, a job people would commonly associate with altruism.) But at the same time, when you go beyond social niceties, they can show a truly staggering lack of consideration for the people around them. You wouldn't want to have them as family members, or as bosses.
Dent18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and Mike Pence are the only things about him that bother me
Nurum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have theory about this. I feel like he went totally extreme because he knew he needed the crazy right vote to win. (Just like Sanders did the same thing to the crazy left vote.). He knew that when he said something outrageous (like the mexican rapist thing) that some people would take it as literal and jump on the "fuck immigrants" bandwagon. Whereas the more reasonable people will see it has hyperbole and just figure that me means rational immigration reform.
Since he knows he needs both votes to win (because the crazy left people are voting left) he caters to the crowd he need to win and just assumes he gets the reasonable people vote along the way.
He might behave differently when provoked, under pressure or angry. Maybe he cultivated it through his TV shows, a character he plays?
He definitely has/had some things going on (fraud with Trump university, not paying contractors) that make him seem douchey and ruthless. Question is how much he relies on advisors. If he is too arrogant to take advice from actual experts, the future is dark. But maybe he is not that self-confident as he presents himself and actually takes a lot of advice. Then I'm worried because of his current cabinet picks...
Well that's the thing. His past suggests it was a show to get the votes he needed, but then all the people he's appointing to various positions are worrisome.
But it is more than possible to have someone who you disagree with on every issue or has dumb/terrible opinions on a lot of stuff BUT is otherwise a decent human being who treats others on an individual level well.
Because people are three dimensional beings. Even 'evil' people aren't constantly foaming at the mouth and screaming at everything in their lives and 'good' people also aren't angels descended from heaven.
Just because he's polite to strangers he runs in to, it doesn't mean he doesn't believe in his ideology or that somehow its less dangerous.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It is my firm belief that he literally without doubt has it out for the mainstream media. I think he really really wants to piss them off. I have some ideas as to why but I won't speculate.
In the early 90's, my Dad met Donald Trump while at a conference in Las Vegas. I cannot recall if it was for the Trump Casino or not but apparently Trump was visibly upset that his table placement was so far away from everybody else that he couldn't talk to anyone. I'm paraphrasing here "I'm sitting next to Joe? I already know what that SOB has to say"... Mind you, this was my father telling me this when I was a 14 or 15.
Greatest con of our times (Not in a negative way like calling him a con- just saying he played the damn game and he won). He literally perpetuated the greatest backdoor business move ever and won the Presidency.
I mean...everybody says stupid stuff, but I don't think I've ever said anything as stupid as the things that have come out of his mouth. I don't really care about secondhand stories that strangers on the internet share, I care about the actual words he's said.
yea, i guess i just feel betrayed because i have yet to read one negative interaction on this thread yet. Surely if he is what the media has made him out to be there would at least be a mix of good and bad.
I by no means am saying he is saint however. Just more confused as to whom he actually is and will be moving forward as we've apparently yet to get a real picture to this day.
I think he's a successful businessman, meaning he's good at manipulating people. So in his day to day life he can make people think he's a down-to-earth, nice guy, and when he's running for president he can make a group of people think he cares about them and their issues. I personally think I've seen under the mask enough to think he's not a good person. But his rabid supporters scare me more than he himself does.
i can see that. I also see the same about hillary... unfortunately this election was 'my team vs your team' and no one actually tried to represent ALL the people. Hillary refused to listen to the real concerns of the working white class which is just down right insulting to ignore ANY group of people and only pushed her personal agenda by building a team of and voters who supported HER instead of working to support the people... it's ass backwards politics to operate this way and i'm frankly tired of it.
Its a totally different trump than the media portrays. im not pro trump, im just saying the media might be making him look way, way worse than he might actually be.
I can say this, the people who voted for him (most of them anyways) think he was putting on a show. I have many friends who voted trump. I have been in forums of trump fans talking about trump, and that is a common recurrence. They all think that he was "just playing the game"
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. I guess we will see.
Hmm how convenient. When people across the country are up in arms over your election, it must be nice to have a reddit thread full of stories about you being a normal guy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if he is OK or not, but he has been a high powered businessman for a long time. With that and some vids I have seen here and there, he can be polite and professional which should not be a surprise.
bobsp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was putting on a show. The man is a very reasonable person by all accounts in person. I think this will show through in how he actually conducts himself in administration (but not PR).
beavis07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler loved him mum...
.. sorry to go there so soon, but seriously most people are nice enough day-to-day. It's what you do when your finger is on the button that counts :)
I live next door to the son of a batshit crazy tea party politician that recently had to resign from his political position in a very red state. He (the politician) is extremely friendly and pleasant to be around. He showed genuine concern for us and seems like a great guy. I don't know him well, so maybe at some point his batshit craziness would become apparent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think show for the masses, read a bit of english history and you will see personal accounts of the "monsters" of their day being actually pretty normal and chill people in one on one settings but they just have to play up the persona for the people.
I think he probably is an ok dude. Problem is that ok dudes can still get drawn into doing or allowing some pretty awful stuff if they're surrounded with the wrong people. And he looks like he's surrounded with the wrong people.
z64dan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guy makes millions putting on a show for reality TV
Guy becomes president putting on show for America
p0rt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He could also have a brain tumor. That'll change your personality.
Source: (spoiler y'all) Watched Everyone Says 'I Love You'
47dniweR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I never believed he was the person he seemed to be during the election. It didn't make sense, was too over the top and seemed calculated. For a while, the only thing that made sense to me was, maybe he was a plant to guarantee a Clinton win.
Now I'm leaning toward, he somehow figured out that he had to play the character he did, to draw the votes he needed to pull off such an improbable victory.
I'm positive he's not the person he portrayed, and I'm pretty sure he's a genius.
MedikPac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heyyyyy, long time Trump supporter here. I think I can shed some insight.
He does it for the free press. In fact he spells it out in one of his texts. "The Art of the Deal", I believe.
Believe it or not, that sort of verbose nature he put on is WHY people voted for him, not why many didn't. We knew he wasn't like that. In my family, I have some people that know him personally. But that sort of pomp and circumstance he put on was just that.
His messages stay the same, however. If you ask most people who voted for him, they will likely tell you that they know it's for show. And if not, it's not like the persona was entirely fake. I genuinely believe he's fed up with Washington and the media.
And one last thing: we don't agree with him on everything. But he seems to us like someone willing to compromise. Which isn't something that we can say for many other candidates in the last few years.
I came into this thread thinking "ha yeah I bet it's full of stories of him being a complete jerk" but now I kinda want to meet him cause he sounds like a pretty decent bloke behind it all.
mapere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate the power of talking heads repeating talking points on major media networks. All they have to do is say something, anything, and people will repeat it. 10s of millions of people watch everyday. Then 100s of thousands if not millions of people repeat it. Hivemind sets in and that's it. They have a massive amount of influence, be it right or wrong, correct or incorrect. I happen to think they displayed him as a bigot even though hes actually not. I do think he has harsh negative qualities but I don't think they are the qualities the media attached to him.
He manipulated the media in order to get FREE coverage, he played them like a violin
When people said "why did he say THAT" The reason was, deflect off DNC dirty tactics and HE dictated the scandal, which he had an answer for before it even hit the air.
Believe me, this is the guy we need running the country right now, guy plays the braggart and behind the scenes he is playing chess and is 4 moves ahead
Mrludy85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or go into with my thinking and think he is still a good dude.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was acting the way his supporters wanted him to. I've always said his supporters are the ones that scare me, not him.
aew360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only person in this thread who thinks he's a good guy? He says dumb things but if you wanna complain about immigration, look at Canada. You can't just waltz right in like you can in the USA. He's a great person with a great family
paskabai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is more the media then trump. When you watch his interviews, he's really a good guy
I still and always thought he was an alright guy. The problem with him is he gave racists the courage to go outside and call people shit and stab people because they're 'not the right color', and they feel like they have his support.
I think his campaign manager knew what she was doing and he is willing to do anything to win.
The only actual question that matters at this point, imo, is whether he can shift to running a country instead of a business. If he can he probably won't be the doom and gloom so many fear. If he can't then I am also a little concerned, given how the USA is a big influence on my own country
I've never met him, but I've met a lot of people here in New York who have worked with him, and almost universally they have bad things to say. I hear he's very charming when he wants to be, but he's also a sexist pig and completely full of himself.
HAC522 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If , somehow, he actually is a decent individual whos campaign was just a large show of things that aren't actually "him," that doesn't explain his horrendous choice of VP and his doubling down on equally horrible cabinet choices
he was putting on a show. He's a social liberal. In fact, he may be what prevents the house and senate from getting everything pushed through.
jihiggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was a tactic to get his name mentioned on every liberal news outlet. it doesnt make a lot of sense, but in politics, almost all publicity is good publicity.
Plenty of online interactions (not just on Reddit but Quora) have stated that he is polite and easy going, for the most part. Nothing like the persona portrayed on TV/election season.
He might be crass and ill spirited in private but he keeps professional for the most part.
Buddy, a lot of media spin on trump. Hes been a public figure for a longtime. People call him a reality star. Which is true, i guess. But hes so much more. Hes been a larger than life business icon since before I was born.
Anyone curious of the real trump and not the media spin trump please watch some of this. Even for a min. This is your president, guys. You can absolutely be proud and excited about that.
Extra credit: watch this video if youre curious about the divide in the country, class warfare identity politics, etc. President Trumps message is simple. Put america first. Enough with the gay, black, hispanic, female, blah blah blah. We're american. Put america first. Great video below.
temalyen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's not going to be the same person we saw in the primaries and general election. I'm not saying he'll be better, I just don't think we're seeing the same person. Look at his acceptance speech from last week. That was not the same person who was running for President.
Edit: I have an itsy bitsy tiny hope barely surviving in me that says he might turn out to be reasonable as a President. This is why I'm not condemning him and panicking.
Aroha11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a lighter note, I wonder if he will have any physical make-over in terms of his fake tan and hair.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that is definitely the scariest part about Trump for me as well. Hopefully China and the rest of the world can pick up the slack if Trump does nothing to reduce our emissions further. In another thread, though, it was suggested that so long as we can sell the idea of renewable energy and electric vehicles to Trump well enough, as if to a businessman, then we should be able to push some initiatives. But that means going beyond the fearmongering line of "we're killing the Earth" (even if it's true). It needs to be sold from an economic and business standpoint.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Hateborn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, Congress still has to ratify any nominee for the Supreme Court and although the Republicans have a majority, it's not a huge majority. Couple that along with how that is a very radical view and I'm sure there would be bi-partisan support to block such a nominee. I'm sure that we will still get a conservative Supreme Court, but not radically conservative.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given that Presidents usually change their speech patterns after being in office a while, I conclude they get public speech training. Trump speaks in a very peculiar way, so I suspect he's already had some. I therefore look forward to seeing the two speech trainings conflict with each other.
joeysuf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people aren't giving him a chance. I think he's going to be pretty bipartisan. Yes he had Pence as his running mate and Pence has said some messed up stuff. However, that doesn't negate the fact Trump is President elect NOT Pence. Also, people keep brushing off the fact he announced at the primaries he would be an advocate for the LGBTQ community. If someone from the religious right had won the nomination and hypothetically won, the LGBTQ would be in greater danger.
Look into the business deals he was doing for the irish golf course. My god STOP asking reddit and start actually doing research. This is absolutely retarded.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:01:42 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't being an edgelord you twatwaffle. This is me being sick of the stupidity that you and people like you inherently exhibit on a daily basis. You want edgelord? Have a plague to wipe you out, That's being an edgelord.
I'm worried because I'm becoming less and less worried about him. Here's something else that made me think it won't be as bad
Kbratch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if he started running as a joke and then began building up traction and he really didn't want to win--cue acting like an ass. He figures, if he keeps this up, he won't win and believes that all the way to the end so he keeps up the act. Then, he wins! He has an "oh shit" moment and drops the act because, against all odds, he won.
zbeezle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was kinda worried about it (and I even voted for him) but this thread has me in high hopes for the future.
Just curious (no judgements), but if you were worried about it then why did you vote for him?
zbeezle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasnt super big on Clinton either, and johnson was blowing his chances big time. i live in a state thats voted solidly blue for longer than ive been alive, so i figured it didnt matter, clinton was gonna win us anyway.
No it was for sure Melania. Trump and Melania weren't married. My mom was actually surprised at the time how clingy Tiffany was to a lady who wasn't her mom haha
I sort of feel sorry for her really. Whether she married him for money or not (lets be honest, it probably was) she probably expected a nice easy cushy lifestyle. Now she's expected to have all these responsibilities and is going to be scrutinised to hell.
[deleted] ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 20:43:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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maanu123 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:31:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all? 60 minutes I watched a few hours ago, she seemed pretty calm.
I think Ivanka is going to take the role and Melania will end up supporting her.
Axelnite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
does she have to be?
Dranx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as they're married...
Night_FoE ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 21:26:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was rich af before she married him. She was already an extremely successful model.
[deleted] ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 21:44:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah....but it's two different kinds of wealth. Modeling money will get you hella drugs, some nice cars, invites to celebrity parties, fame, easy lifestyle etc.
Real estate billionaire money will get you an island and a helicopter, as well ensuring your bloodline is taken care of for generations.
Still, she wasn't a tramp, she was/is a millionaire, so that's a lot of fuck you money, obviously billionaire is a lot more than millionaire, but if she wasn't happy, she has enough to go and live a nice life without him. Don't think she married for money, these rich and powerful dudes are a turn on for girls, plus there are girls that actually like uglier men or older man, shit I will never forget the fantasy of one of the most beautiful girls that I met, she wanted a fat/big hairy fairly rich (she is rich, so it was for the point of ) greasy guy in a suit calling her to suck his dick. That's the weirdest shit I ever heard from an apparent normal girl. Really opened my eyes.
snorlz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea..brady and gisele are the type of rich who can afford to buy a penthouse in trump tower.
Lol Gisele is in another league compared to every other model in existence.
Night_FoE ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 21:52:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly how rich does one need to be before haters stop calling you a gold-digger? I guess multi-billionaires can only marry other multi-billionaires in order to avoid that label...
I could see Melania marrying Trump because she is attracted to the wealth of Trump. There are women who are attracted to money and power, that's perfectly fine. Doesn't mean she is a gold digger.
_Molobe_ ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:59:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Find me someone that isn't a bit attracted to money and power.
akesh45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but I'm talking about being rich vs real wealth and you are talking about who makes more in some marriage celebrity marriage. How are they the same?
Giselle is worth 300 million more than Tom Brady....she doesn't even have half the money truly wealthy people have.
I don't think you know how much more successful Melania was compared to average models.
HailMahi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:32 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Objectively, compared to the other models active during the peak of her career, she wasn't very successful. More than average, yes. She was good and she got campaigns and runway shows, but she wasn't pulling the same money and publicity as the Big Six, who were her contemporaries. She was at most B-list. Perfectly respectful and more successful than most, but it doesn't translate to earning the oodles of cash you think she was getting.
mbeezier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On Sunday's 60 Minutes, Trump said he asked permission from Melania before asking all his kids for permission.
Spoiler: they gave him permission.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:44:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do believe she was already a millionaire when she met the Donald.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:33:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is a model, they aren't exactly known for being super shy and not wanting to be in the public so I kinda doubt your judgement here.
It's a bit different scruntiny though. As a model, I guess she only had to worry about if she looked good and was charismatic enough to network for her field. As the first lady, she is going to need to be charismatic with her speeches to impress an entire nation (as well as other nations). She will also be following in Michelle Obama's footsteps which is no easy feat (both Michelle and Barack are great at speeches; even the State of the Union address isn't that boring).
Not to mention, I wonder how long it'll be before she [Melania] legitimately gives a great speech, but no one will take a second to wonder if she copied from someone else.
Well, her speeches for one. But honestly, she didn't decide to run for First Lady, I'm not going to cast too much shade at her for not being well prepared. I don't recall Cindy McCain saying much of anything during her husband's run.
Yeah I don't think it's her bag. Ironically, I think she's quite liberal and has had to be quiet about it not to hurt her chances. A lot of liberals hate her by association but might find an ally if they weren't jerks about it.
mbeezier ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:53:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Trump is very liberal when contrasted with GOP runner-up Ted Cruz.
I remember back during the Clinton administration, people who said something like they didn't like the idea of a president who was a serial adulterer were often told that this is an American thing; that Europeans don't have this "hang up."
Indeed. It's arguably even specifically a US thing, because Canada certainly doesn't give a shit about politicians' personal lives beyond actual conflicts of interest (like leaving classified documents at your girlfriend's house when she doesn't have security clearance and has links to the Hells Angels or taking kickbacks from Airbus when purchasing planes) or general bad behaviour with taxpayer money (like the recent Senate finance scandals).
That was pretty noticeable a few years ago when France's President Hollande had been apparently cheating on his girlfriend. The American media were up in arms, but when they asked people on the streets of Paris, they were just like "We don't care about his personal life, only how good a job he actually does".
It just is a change in the power dynamic. There are likely just many more opportunities available and women throwing themselves at rich and powerful men
Oh so it's a dim view, not reality? Meanwhile on Buzzfeed: "men who date way out of their league," a slideshow of dozens of supermodels married to old, ugly zillionaires and rock stars.
Look in your life honestly, away from Reddit, and tell me many women don't value power and money and influence above looks.
So, supermodels--you mean women who already have money and influence? They're into people who also have money and influence, just like them? Wow, amazing. Shocking.
Women appear to value personality and responsibility. Now you'll often get influence and a decent paycheck from that, but increasingly women don't really need that. Hell, in a lot of households women are equal breadwinners, even when the husband is rich. Lots of households where both are lawyers, engineers, doctors. At a tier with lower income but relatively high social status, lots of professors marry professors. Lots of teachers marry teachers. Execs marry execs. It's almost as if people are into folks like them!
But let's face it, the guys who are all about telling us how women are apparently all desperate to date millionaires at the expense of all else tend to have nothing to offer women except demands and complaints.
I never said all women. Wtf. All I pointed out was that women like Melania are often around men like Trump. It's not a surprise. Ever watched the Oscars? Every fat old piece of garbage has a hot model on his arm. Ever seen aging rock stars with their little starlets? This is not groundbreaking. It's reality.
Apart from the fact he's possibly committed sexual assault? And admitted it? Anyone remember the "grab her by the pussy" debacle? No, apparently that's already lost to history...
even dave chappelle said people need to get over the grab you by the pussy thing. he said they'd let you grab them by the pussy, so it's not like he's raping them - and he also said he's not wrong either women fucking throw themselves at celebrities and rich men to the fact that the women should be seen as the disgusting ones
gRod805 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:28:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you being sarcastic? A lot of women came out saying it was not consensual. And what does Dave Chappelle saying something matter? Who's he the authority on and for whom does he speak for?
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Many sexual assault or rape victims are too terrified to do anything about it while it's happening. Just because they didn't stop it doesn't mean that they were willing.
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Funny how plagiarism only comes up with her. Biden was caught plagiarizing a ton. Almost cost him his seat many years back. But I guess that doesn't fit the narrative much.
Considering Trump wanted Marla to abort her and he treats her like an afterthought, I can see it. Melania is very glamorous but she strikes me as very warm and motherly.
Anyway, getting to the point here, Donald Trump has always resented that he is not from old money. His father made his own fortune, and Trump has always had an inferiority complex about it. The New England old-money elites have something called the Social Register that includes all the names and addresses of prominent high-society families and Trump reportedly has always resented that he was not included in it, and especially that they have always rubbed his nose in it with stuff like using him as a specific example of a rich person who's not elite enough to be in the Register.
But do you know who is always included in the Social Register? The President of the United States.
I don't think that's the only reason he's running for president, but I think it's really a microcosm. He wants to be famous and recognized, for everyone to have to respect him and his power. During his Comedy Central roast, the only off-limits topic was implying that he wasn't as rich as he said he was. He thinks that as the President, everyone will have to acknowledge and respect him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that Trump wants approval from the snobs who think they are superior because of their genealogy. He thinks their sense of self importance and elitism is in American and mock worthy. He especially loves trolling this group is snugs. He always has. Me too. Again, it's NOT motivated by wanting to be like these people or feeling insecure. It's the exact opposite.
FemtoG ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
very surprised to hear Melania and Tiff were so close. Tiff seriously feels like the kid that gets zero love.
Yeah. Well the poor girl was born during a media shitstorm about her mom and trump having an affair but when she was little her and Melania were close idk about now though
BGYeti ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:38:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because she is like the oldest Smith son, they stay out of the public and live their own life
Duh. He was going to run in 2000 on the reform ticket.
And was almost the vp pick of papa bush in the 80's but then lost out that job to quayle.
chris622 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:09:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And was almost the vp pick of papa bush in the 80's but then lost out that job to quayle.
Interesting, considering how anti-Trump the Bushes have been throughout the 2016 campaign, even after Jeb dropped out.
bsbbtnh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And do you remember why he didn't run in 2000? Because David Duke endorsed the party. Lol
rvf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except papa bush seems to remember that Trump merely wanted to be considered for VP, but Bush considered the idea "โstrange and unbelievable." Trump disagrees and says he was approached by Lee Atwater rather than the other way around. Unfortunately, Atwater died in 1991, so no real way to find the truth at this point.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:29:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A documentary shows he'd been thinking about running since the 80s. And that The Apprentice is set up to make him look authoritative and making tough decisions, basically, presidential.
That was the odd part and the reason my mom remembered it. Tiffany was clinging to Melania and it was weird at the time
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where was your mom working? Was this at her offices or on site? Tiffany could have just been uncomfortable in a new environment with strange people; children naturally gravitate to people they know. And Melania would have been the most maternal influence there.
hes been saying hes going to make a run for president every 4 years for at least 16 years so that makes sense. this is just the first time he actually did it.
I also think it's interesting to add that my mom also swears that he was planning his run for president all the way back then and she overheard them all the time casually mentioning it.
It's been something he's been planning on and was asked in interviews since the 80s.
He is what I think, he chooses his words very carefully and knew the people hated politics as they are, it really doesn't matter who, we need someone that is not a politician to bring these divided houses together to get some shit done.
I hope there are term limits for congressmen, 24 years is plenty.
I do think we should kick out people that come here illegally. Sorry, but literally every country on Earth has way harsher penalties for this crime and we already take in more legal immigrants than anyone on Earth every year. It's California that is pissed about this because that is their under the table worker that does all the shitty work.
Get tough on China? yes I agree with that. They falsely manipulate the value of their currency, have some of the worst working conditions, longest hours and lowest pay. They should have been on a trial period to get into the WTO, and this bit us in the ass. It has gone on too long and now they have a good bit of leverage. Get tough now of it will only get worse.
I also think it's interesting to add that my mom also swears that he was planning his run for president all the way back then and she overheard them all the time casually mentioning it.
I think its always been in his bag of plans. I mean he has run at least once before, maybe more, cannot recall.
Well, to be fair, I don't think people just wake up one morning and think they are going to run for president. It takes years of planning and fundraising. That's why in the US most candidates - Trump is obviously an outlier - make their way up the ranks of political positions before it happens. They build political capital over time, like gathering experience in a video game. And yes, I kept it as two words. You heathens who treat videogame as one word are fucking savages.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems odd that tiffany would be glued to her step mother's hip and not be there with Marla Maples.
I also think it's interesting to add that my mom also swears that he was planning his run for president all the way back then and she overheard them all the time casually mentioning it.
Well he did run for president in 2000 if you didn't know. But he withdrew because (I'm not making this up) he complained about social conservatives taking over the party and said he couldn't stand by that.
I also think it's interesting to add that my mom also swears that he was planning his run for president all the way back then and she overheard them all the time casually mentioning it.
Wait. If you believe that the public shares these views, and that you could do the job, why not consider running for President?
I'd do the job as well as or better than anyone else. It's my hope that George Bush can do a great job.
You categorically don't want to be President?
I don't want to be President. Iโm 100 percent sure. I'd change my mind only if I saw this country continue to go down the tubes.
In that same interview he also stated what is in my opinion is the most disgraceful comment he's ever made. He praised China for how they "handled" the Tiananmen Square protests.
What were your other impressions of the Soviet Union?
I was very unimpressed. Their system is a disaster. What you will see there soon is a revolution; The signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That's my problem with Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand.
You mean firm hand as in China?
When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak... as being spit on by the rest of the worldโ
When he was asked about these comments earlier this year he had this to say:
โThat doesnโt mean I was endorsing that. I said that was a strong, powerful government. They kept down the riot, it was a horrible thing.โ
I honestly don't think he's much different than he was back then. Maybe a tad more outlandish but I feel like half of what he does is showmanship catering to the public. Not to say he's a genius or anything, but I feel his persona is more deliberate; like an attempt to be more real to the average man.
Dozosozo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you added "back then he pleasant" .. Nobody seems to acknowledge he is giving up a leisure billionaire life to do arguably the most stressful job in the world... And not getting paid for it directly (denying his $400k salary)
Tiffany was little and always came into the office with them but she was basically glued to melania's hip. They were really close.
This is nice to read since there are rumors that he wasn't really involved with Tiffany's upbringing. It's nice to hear that they were around each other often enough for her and Melania to bond, and that Melania was kind to her little stepdaughter.
It somewhat annoys me how you keep saying 'back then' he was pleasant and professional. A private environment like that is entirely different from the public personality he is now, I doubt that he wouldn't be the same way if you met him in the same circumstances today. Personally I think he's a decent man, he's just molded his campaign persona into this over-the-top no-shits-given oompaloompa that I don't think represents who he truly is. Other than the oompaloompa part. That dude orange as fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for the Reform Party in 2000
Pinyaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was actually a presidential candidate for the Reform Party in 2000.
There's video on youtube (Oprah show I believe) of him talking about it in the late 80s early 90s.
indil47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this, too, from a friend of a friend who was on an early season of The Apprentice. He was also all along planning to run against Hillary at that time.
An article I was reading today mentioned that he actually did run for president under Reform Party back in 2000. Upon closer look, it appears he ran for the party nomination, but lost to Pat Buchanan...still interesting, though.
That said, his brow furrowed even more than usual when I then began speaking to [Melania] in her native language. For Trump, it was a preview of his default position: actually going silent when realizing he did not understand something.
He ran for president in 2000, so that's probably what he was talking about.
tossme68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family owned a small business that sells custom tile. Trump's company called up looking for tile for Mira-lago, I think the whole job w/o installation was about 300K. They said they loved the product but would only pay 85K, needless to say we didn't take the job and after hearing the stories about him stiffing suppliers/contractors it was a good thing we passed.
There's a really good video on YT that shows him in interviews going back to the late 70s and the idea of running was mentioned clear back in the mid 80s, although he stated several times plainly that he had no interest.
I'll link it when I can find it again, but it was eye-opening for me to see that he's been saying a lot of these things for 40 years now. He seemed a lot less crazy.
Thanks! Persephone isn't my real name but I love Persephone and Demeter's story in Greek mythology. I just added 83 cause it kind of rhymes and simple Persephone wasn't available haha
scottyv99 ยท 1246 points ยท Posted at 21:47:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to school with Donny Jr and was friends/teammates with a few guys in his fraternity, so I met him and hung out a few times in a group. Super nice guy. Not pretentious or jerky. Even in a small, closed group I never heard him say anything remotely bigoted or elitist. And we were 20. Very polished, but genuine guy.
I also met Ivanka once and got the same vibe.
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[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 04:37:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm seeing the same thing throughout the thread. Interesting to me.
I was an intern on the Trump Campaign and got to meet Eric, he talked with me and the rest of the team I was on for like half an hour, and he wasn't even on location to meet with us, he was doing interviews that he put on hold to talk to us.
He seemed like a decent guy, he was very interested in what we were doing campaign wise, but also asked about Millennial/College Student problems we faced.
_Molobe_ ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 00:08:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere that Eric Trump is a tall guy. As a fellow tall guy he can't be that bad.
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Hotguy657 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:09:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that during the campaign one of the very few good things he had going for him was his family. His kids were so well mannered and personable in every interview they gave. They just seem very likable overall and you could tell they weren't raised to be spoiled, troubled brats. I didn't vote for the guy but I have to admit he did a great job raising his kids based solely on how they turned out.
True, I also found his "say something nice" answer to be a subtle burn. Telling Hillary Clinton she never gives up to me somehow implies that she tries really hard but is unable to get what she ultimately wants.
Which is completely true if you think about it. Hillary Clinton has dedicated the bulk of her life to becoming president and this election has all but guaranteed that she never will be.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:24:51 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In an Ivanka interview, she said she would call him every day at school during recess and he would pick up her calls even if he was in the middle of important business meetings. That sounds very involved to me
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:45 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivanka's devotion to his campaign was impressive. She did more for trump than Chelsea and bill combined did for hillary
Metiri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Donald supporter, but maybe you are thinking of Eric. Never met him but he gives me a ....douche vibe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was not involved in raising his kids. They all describe as more of an older brother than a dad.
SaloL ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:59:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's Don Jr. like? I've heard negative things about Eric, as others have said, but Don Jr. seems like a decent guy from the outside, despite looking a bit like a Disney villain.
Like 3 weeks ago Trump Jr. stopped on the way to a rally to help a woman push her stalled car out of the road. Then he went to call for some help and bought water for everyone that was stuck there. It could be a campaign/reputation thing, but I can't see many other celebrities or politicians doing the same thing.
Well, I also knew Scott Melker, the fellow Penn grad quoted in the article that you're referencing, and it doesn't surprise me that he would have a crazy personal account that seems totally implausible.
Donny did seem to shy away from his name and, like most of us, probably drank too much in college. However, I don't recall him stumbling around or being mocked school wide (in fact, if you had beef with A FIJI member you were SERIOUSLY barking up the wrong tree).
What I do recall was Scott Melker came off as a phony cheese dick who sang lame covers at open mic nights to try and impress ladies. The kind of guy who subtly tried too hard to act "cool" and aloof. A lot of people bought it, I didn't. His subtle statement about OTHERS hanging around Donny's room yet he just happened to step out and catch all this? Seems to jive with my impression of Scott and HE was probably out in the hall trying to sniff a little fame, no?
To be fair, Scott was in TEP and I didn't like any of those guys. All trying hard to be the shit, but not. I recall beating their ass in the Greek league basketball final and they acted like babies, then one of their members tried to talk to me about class bc our pledges had pulled some prank on their pledges. Basically trying to tell me/us how our pledge/fraternity should behave, as if I cared what they thought.
Since Scott posted such a public story and put his name on it, I have no problem putting him on blast. Guy was a tool and attention whore. Seems like he hasn't changed much, based on this article.
bobby4444 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:48:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait lmao people are believing that story. That he just walked up to the room and slapped his son and left. Not to mention I highly doubt he just walked around drunk all the time. That story sounds like complete bullshit
here's the original source i wanted to post but didn't want to take the time to find. There are supporting claims in the comments as well. But that's just what they are - facebook accounts and comments. much like just what all these anecdotes are .. just reddit comments.
_Molobe_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, everyone know the New Century Times for it's fair and biased articles.
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ala1985 ยท 456 points ยท Posted at 22:12:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A very close friend of mine was actually on The Apprentice. I went to an event with her and met him. He was polite and didn't set off my creepy vibes. When my friend's mother died, he paid all of her final costs.
She's been approached repeatedly by media outlets and asked if he sexually harassed her or if she witnessed anything inappropriate when she was on the show. She said no; he was always with at least one security guard in any green rooms and he was always very nice and respectful to her and the other women in her season. Of course that never got published.
[deleted] ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 01:04:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually am on-board with a lot of his policies, but even still... this thread is blowing my mind. The media steals from reddit constantly but other than a few smaller sites, this will all get ignored.
ala1985 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 03:17:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The funniest thing is that my friend opposes most of his policies and is on the far left, however she supports him as a human being. This whole thing is a shit show.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:43:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I shouldn't be that surprised because I know how biased the media is. But hearing it, dang...
I really think Trump is bullshitting. His entire platform is seriously crazy; whether you're a Republican or Democrat, believing his spiel about deporting all Mexicans and stuff is just stupid. From a purely logistical perspective, this is an impossible task, not to mention the fallout from it.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:13:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize Obama has deported millions?trump has said he wants to deport illegal immigrants who are criminals only.
Obama deported even more immigrants than the Bush administration, he just didn't go around and say a lot about it. That's the problem with a lot of people these days, no independent thinking, everyone hates Trump because of his media coverage, but our cable news has been utter crap for years. I'm just surprised so many people went into this election with such a hivemind.
If you start listening to Trump's speeches in full, particularly the one where he addresses the night club shooting, it is totally different than how he was portrayed by the media. They cut it down and made it into sound bites to portray him in a bad light when in the full speech in context, he makes some very valid points.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Obama has deported very few. They changed the definition of a deportation to include turning someone away at the border, which had not been the case before.
terminbee ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do know. I'm just saying to deport every single one is crazy. Obama did not deport every single one.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:28:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did Trump say he was going to deport every single illegal immigrant, not convicted of any crimes?
She was on an Australian morning show leading up to the election and they kept trying to get her to say something but she wouldn't budge.
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ciruj ยท 367 points ยท Posted at 21:47:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sold some retail items to him. He was incredibly nice and humble. We talked about sales in general, he passed along some closing skills and talked sports. I like the guy.
aDoer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:38:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Biggest missed opportunity when it comes to closing deals is simply asking for the sale, but asking in a way where it's not a question but rather a statement. So instead of "So do you want to get this deal wrapped up?" say something like, "Alright, go ahead and sign right here and we'll get this wrapped up for you so you can enjoy your new [insert product here], you're going to love it!"
I worked in sales and was told something like that and I thought "That's ridiculous, how can that make any difference", but you'd be surprised by how much more sales go through that way.
I've done sales for 10+ years. There is so much you can do to "prime" the buyer to buy something, it's kinda scary. Like for example, when selling cars you always refer to the car as theirs and have them do things for you, but nonchalantly like, "Here's your keys, go ahead and open your car door for me." (during test drive).. Then when you're on the drive you can say things like, "Turn left here for me" - It's always "for me" or "we" or "us"... Then when the time comes to sign, you simply say, "Go ahead and sign here for me" and you get a much higher rate of sales because of words that you "prime" the buyer with.
I'm ruined because I do these things in every aspect of my life.
Problem is, we didn't elect just Trump, we elected him, Pence, and the entire cabinet they choose. Those are what terrify me. So many people vote only on the presidential candidate, while the appointments they make and the VP are considered minor.
Sawses ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 21:01:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Truth be told, the VP isn't my biggest concern. I'd probably have made a similar choice, in his place. Get all the Christians on board, so the more liberal ones don't vote for Clinton instead. Very smart move.
Now, Congress... Well, that's another matter. Still, I think this term everyone will focus more on the economy than on social policy...And while I disagree with nearly every issue on the Republican social platform, I wholeheartedly support their economic points.
Based on some of their history, I fear they will actually do the social ones first. Those are what their constituents seem to care about. Pence may not be able to do much now, but look at what he did in Indiana as an example. His most impactful laws were the ones on social issues, and now there's an AIDS outbreak.
Sawses ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:27:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but I don't see the feds giving up reelection to keep a minority of their supporters happy. Those supporters will vote for the GOP no matter what, so why bother? Especially since they never actually said anything about social issues, for the most part.
They're a minority, but also the loudest and most consistent base for them. A lot of those supporters are exactly the ones they brought Pence in to bring on board, so I think they legitimately feared losing the GOP vote form them. Who never said anything about social issues? Those are the only things I've ever heard about half of the legislature.
Sawses ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of Congress has kept quiet about social policy this election cycle--it's mostly Democrats repeating things they've said in the past. Sure, they said it, but most of them don't give a solitary shit about whether gay people can be married legally, they just want votes. So they get votes, and damn if it's not easier to do that with an economic platform that people can actually agree on.
Obviously it's all speculation until we see what they actually do, and you have a point, but I'm willing to bet some of the first things they push through (major things, not minor budget changes) are the kind of social issues they couldn't do before without having all 3 branches. As for economic platform, I really don't get why people support one that relies of cutting funding to things that are already grossly underfunded, like schools. Any argument about local taxes and voters having a say is just saying 'fuck poor people, they don't deserve good schools'. Funding needs to come from the top. Sorry, tangent, that's a whole new discussion lol.
You do not need to speculate. Trump paid out his agenda or to do list for his 1st 100 days in his Gettysburg Address. He just put out a video of what he will do on day one as well. His focus has always been on jobs and safety and the end to interventionist wars. He has a New Deal for inner cities and especially focused on protecting LGBT and Muslim Americans from Islamofascists. He'll be great because he does not put ideology or politics ahead of doing what's right for all Americans.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His most impactful laws were the ones on social issues, and now there's an AIDS outbreak.
He made such restrictive laws on abortions and Planned Parenthood in general (even ones that don't provide abortion at all) that entire parts of the state are without a place to get STD testing, or other services that they provide for cheap/free. The lack of clinics and testing availability is being linked directly to an STD (AIDS specifically) outbreak that is 'the biggest in 20 years, possibly ever' according to experts. Basically, his crusade against Planned Parenthood (even though most don't provide abortion) led to no affordable STD testing in poor areas, and now they all have AIDS outbreaks.
jswill15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to the articles I have read(very scholarly, I know) this epidemic has been caused mostly by drug abuse
That's right. Pence was morally against needle exchanges and a lot of the outbreak was due to intravenous drug use.
gaviidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other way of looking at it is that Planned Parenthood is so in favor of abortions that they refuse to spin that part of them off in order to get the support of everyone. Not only does it hurt their funding but it also means fewer women will go there because conservatives, who are often poor, are anti-abortion. Abortions and STD testing shouldn't be connected. It's just as easy to see Planned Parenthood as the bad guy.
Nobody is in favor of abortions. That is a massively deluded opinion. No liberal wants abortions. They are a last resort option when things have gone wrong. They are not pleasant for anyone involved. Ideally, we would never need them, because the only pregnancies would be planned (see where their name comes from?). Abortions and STD testing are connected because they are both related to sexual health. PP is merely an organization seeking to supply low-cost health services to those who need them. Seeing it in any other light requires some very tinted lenses.
A few people are actually pro-abortion. Fetus cookies at rallies and all.
And this argument... it is really hard to sell to someone who personally knows a woman who has had multiple, serial abortions. It isn't a "deluded" opinion, just exaggerated.
What world are you living in? I'm sorry if that's a bit harsh, but it's my genuine reaction to 'fetus cookies'. Please, please provide a single reputable source for that, I dare you.
Thank you for providing sources. And yes, that was the reason for my tone. I've heard people actually say things like that, I'm glad you're not another one. I think it's important to see the difference between supporting the right to get abortions, and supporting abortion as an action. I'm willing to bet that virtually everyone involved in those activities is the former, not the latter. There will always be extreme cases, but I think most would agree those people need professional help if they really support the latter.
gaviidae ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand why they were connected. What I don't understand is why they would keep them connected knowing that it creates funding problems. So the question to me is: is their priority STD testing and women's health or abortions. Because keeping the latter is significantly reducing their ability to do the former. They would rather be directly involved in abortions than protect their funding to do everything else they do.
Abortions are less than 3%of their services. Also, the funding is separate. It is already illegal for government funds to go to abortions. The crusade against PP to defund it literally only takes away from their other services. It is done only to pander to the religious right.
Turn it around then. If only 3% of their services are abortion, why not split it out into its own thing and secure vastly increased funding for the other services? We've alreafy concluded the vast majority of their work is other services.
Because that 3% still needs a building? Still needs nurses? Why does it matter so long as the funding is separate? The funding problem is just politicians pandering to people who don't care that the money they cut wouldn't go to abortion anyway. They want the entire organization closed because they think its evil and even providing contraception is bad.
gaviidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure ignoring what I said and downvoting me will bring back the funding. You're ignoring what I wrote so I guess I'll do the same for you.
Metoray ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
From what I read so far he closed the only HIV testing center there, planned parenthood. Don't know if there's anything else. Just google "mike pence hiv outbreak" and pick a source you like.
edit: the comment /u/gaviidea made below is probably more relevant.
gaviidae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also opposes needle exchange programs which is probably the bigger issue. HIV was spread through dirty needles. Blaming STD testing is saying that those who are willing to exchange dirty needles are also willing to get tested and act accordingly on those tests. Which seems a bit of a stretch.
Nah. I'm a social conservative and I want them to focus on the economy. It's been stagnant for the last decade. Repeal ACA and replace it with some simpler, more effective healthcare legislation. Loosen up regulations on small businesses, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to nominate a pro-life SC justice. I just think most people are tired of the social issues right now. We got hammered for being against gay marriage, abortion, marijuana, etc. over the last 8 years. Republicans need to just back off for a bit and win some confidence back into the conservative ideology by fixing the economy. If and when they do that, we can get back to the culture wars.
You know, though, that he's no Republican. He had to hijack their party and the GOP folks detest him for it.
I'll be interested to see what exactly he'll sign off on from the GOP Congressional agenda. I don't think he's the enemy progressive Americans think he is today, having lost the election and being out of their heads.
I've heard someone here say that Pence was really insurance for Trump so that people would be discouraged from impeaching/assassinating him. If something happens to him, we get Pence as president.
Sawses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! But I'll not worry about that until I have reason to think Trump might not actually live the whole four years.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Zarten ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:22:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at it from the right wing perspective. When Obama was elected, the right saw that as the downfall of the 2nd Amendment, the rise of entitlements, and the decline of the pro-life movement.
Basically, the president elected didn't represent their values, and Obama was basically the anti-right. However, they got the House of Representatives and the Senate, so that restored some hope.
Even though voting Trump meant voting for the cabinet that he deemed fit, it has always been that way. What do you think Republicans were thinking the day Obama got elected?
Double standards right? I like to think of it as a see-saw. Sometimes, you go really high, but sometimes you hit the ground, too.
All those thing you mentioned that the right feared about Obama weren't stated policy goals, though. They were, if you'll pardon the pun, trumped up hyperbole.
Trump, however, has stated very clearly that he's going to deport millions of Mexicans, gut the government programs that are fighting climate change, and throw strong support behind the fossil fuel industry. This isn't just speculation by biased anti-right organizations, which is why I'm so terrified right now.
Um, ILLEGAL Mexicans. Can you comprehend? I'm a legal immigrant, and I am appalled at the rights that illegals have here. Wtf? It took us time, money, interviews, efforts, etc to become Americans. These people just sneak in in truck beds, ffs, and then we have to support their multiple kids.
Because them being mexican has nothing to do with why they are being deported. Illegal immigrants should be deported. Many of them happen to be mexican but that is not why.
People often forget that like 2.5 million illegals were deported under the Obama administration. So if Trump is so bad for that position then Obama must be pretty bad too right? But the climate change denying is a legitimate fear.
problem being that they had politicians and media telling them that obama would enact gun confiscation programs and eat babies, while the left's more rational fears right now are all things the GOP has or has tried to do in the past. Not to mention it's not just a cabinet thing, the Republican party also has majorities in both the house and the senate.
We see how it played out but part of me thinks that scare helped keep Obama away from gun restrictions. Also he only had 2 years of house control to pass it and he chose healthcare to do. Prob could have done it anyway if he wanted
The republican congress halting him at every opportunity stopped him from passing gun control legislation, not the outright lies about gun confiscation programs
2 years of democrats, sure, but Obama's presidency was one of being forced to pick and choose his battles to an unprecedented extent. The republican politicians were after his ass from before day 1
Yeah, unlike trump now. People had it out for Obama no matter what he was going to do. His presidency has been center-right and he was still beyond vilified by the right. People on the left will always rage against trump's perceived character flaws, but if his presidency sits well with them I'm sure you'll hear people looking back on the initial outcry with retrospective relief. I don't know a single republican looking at the Obama presidency and saying anything close to "that wasn't so bad"
Oh believe me I'm well aware there's no shortage of irrational fears coming from the left. How does that mean that the noise about Obama secretly being a terrorist-sympathizing muslim is any less irrational?
That's a bit of an extreme example isn't it? I may be wrong, but it read as you saying that the right's fears were silly, where as the left's are rational.
it's extremely irrational, yes, but shockingly commonplace to hear. And that's close to what i'm sayingโthat over the last eight years the republican party has been stoking the republican voters's fears of unprecedented scenarios, whereas the fears of the left today (the more rational fears, at least, I acknowledge some people will wail bloody murder just because they can) are scenarios that have been and can be again
I'm not American, so I will admit that I don't see 100% of what is going on, but from what I have seen the left is being just as silly as the right. From the right I will see a post about how the UN is going to invade, from the left I see a post about how the Jim Crow laws are coming back. Both sides also have a fair number of rational fears.
look up history of voter suppression laws in the United States. Also: it sounds shitty to say this, but unless you live in America and take a very avid interest in both american politics and american history, don't expect to be able to make heads or tails of whats going on, because its only ever going to keep looking like heavily polarized silly people. The best of us can only just barely make sense of it. Shits nuts
it sounds shitty to say this, but unless you live in America and take a very avid interest in both american politics and american history
I am very interested in American history and American politics. I'd say it is easier to have a level headed view from the outside.
I'm not a fan of the Democrats or the Republicans at the moment, all anybody seems to be doing is shutting themselves in echo-chambers and not trying to understand why the other side is thinking what they are thinking. The same thing is happening all over the world, but it is worst in America.
Except they arent. Things like Trump hates mexicans and wants to deport them all or all muslims will be banned from immigrstion and the ones in the country will be rounded up.
I agree that those things are unlikely, but tell me they're irrational when
--there is a promise on his campaign website to push to end immigration from muslim countries
--a member of his transition team has suggested creating a registry comprised of americans who immigrated from those countries
--and as reported by TIME four days ago, Trump plans on Sunday to announce he'll try and deport at least "2-3 million mexicans in the united states
And REALLY don't tell me there's no historical precedent for that last one. If you need to, look up the Mexican Repatriation.
People are afraid of shit like that happening again, they're afraid of the strong stigma against gays coming back--not just getting equal marriage revoked, but a return of laws like the law in texas which until 2003 made gay sex a prosecutable offense. Or of a return of the Committee of UnAmerican Activities, very recently proposed by Newt Gingrich.
TempAlt0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence isn't a problem unless Trump dies. Which is probably the main reason Trump picked Pence.
gaviidae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that Republicans having so much control will force them to behave like grown ups. This is their chance to make America great and if they fail they will have to change the entire party.
If you're really scared of Trump then you're probably spending way too much time reading liberal news. Just like it's so obvious how people watch Fox News too much it's also obvious when Redditors are too much in a liberal bubble.
Pence believes in theocracy. Trump has stated he thinks climate change is a hoax. Multiple people in now-powerful positions in the legislature think the earth is 6,000 years old. That many people in those positions being in complete denial of basic facts scares me, and should scare everyone, liberal or conservative. That opinion is not a result of being in a bubble.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:11:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you remember anything joe biden did that was significant? Probably not, I wouldn't worry so much about pence.
My fear is that Pence will influence Trump as a result of Trump continuing to need the support of those he brought on board by adding Pence to the ticket. If he doesn't cater to at least a few of the positions that Pence supports, he will lose the voters that arguably won the election for him. Edit: Also, look what Cheney was able to do with Bush. VPs can have power in the right situations.
I dont think so. The election gave trump the validation he needed.the vast majority of republicans owe him for getting reelected now.
Metoray ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:43:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I heard Trump himself said that Pence will basically be running things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other problem is, a LOT of people voted for the Trump they saw during the campaign. If he backs off on all of his nasty promises, they're going to get crushed in the mid-terms and he'll only get 4 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get your concern about the cabinet, but not about Mike Pence. Tell me, what did Joe Biden do over the last eight years? What of his personal political agenda that didn't allign with with that of Obama did he try to impose on the nation? Get real.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:22:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know enough about it. Did Cheney make a lot of policy?
and i am not pro trump, just saying, trying to make the best of the situation.
CarmenTS ยท 770 points ยท Posted at 19:35:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Trump is and has always been fairly Liberal/Democratic... the problem isn't necessarily him, the problem is Pence. The problem is Giuliani. The problem is Bannon. The problem is his millions of followers who blindly believed and act on his rhetoric. So I get what you're saying, but it's not looking so good, lol.
EDIT: I am NOT NORMALIZING HIM, fyi. His rhetoric has been disgusting, dangerous, and completely unacceptable. He is an EXCELLENT propagandist whether he knows it or not and that is extremely worrisome. I'm talking about Trump the individual, however, but for whatever reason, he chose to appeal to the lowest common denominator of people by using bigoted rhetoric and he won. It worked, even though I don't think that's how he really believes about (certain) things. Doesn't make him any less of an asshole.
EDIT 2: I cried when he won. Actual tears of despair. I am not absolving him or normalizing him. I am speaking only to the person he's portrayed himself to be publicly for the past 4 decades with respect to politics (which was fairly Liberal) and not of the absolute fuckery that's he's done to this country during the primaries and the general election.
Isord ยท 570 points ยท Posted at 20:09:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This doesn't absolve Trump of wrongdoing. He ran for office as a Republican, he ran on a campaign of anger towards illegal immigrants and Muslims, he picked Pence, he picked Bannon.
Trump is the problem. None of these people would be politically relevant anymore without him.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:40:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everyone assume republicans are angry at illegal immigrants and muslims? I can sympathize with them while still wanting to take action against them. Yeah, it sucks living in Mexico, too bad, we have thousands and thousands of homeless and can't afford to bring in a bunch of illegals who we can't monitor and backgrounds we have no idea of. Oh you're a refugee? Sorry, there are also a shitload of "refugees" who are lining up to drop some mayhem on the US. I understand why they want to come to the United States, but at the same time, we don't have the capacity for it, we can't take care of all of these people. There needs to be some form of moderation, can we take some? Maybe. Can we take all? Fuck no, and we will destroy our country from the inside out if we try.
Also, as a republican, I have a hard time believing the democratic party(not democrats mind you, the politicians themselves) views these people as anything more than votes. They realistically have done nothing for them other than say they have done things for them. They want to give them amnesty so they can lock up elections for the next 30 years.
827753 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:49 on December 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Yeah, it sucks living in Mexico, too bad, we have thousands and thousands of homeless and can't afford to bring in a bunch of illegals who we can't monitor and backgrounds we have no idea of."
Meanwhile, American farmers have flooded Mexico with cheap corn thanks to generous U.S. government subsidies โ subsidies left unchecked by NAFTA. A U.S. corn grower receives an average annual subsidy of $20,000 a year. The Mexican government gives their farmers just $100.
Farmers said that entire towns are emptying because thousands of small farms have gone out of business. As many as 2 million farm workers have lost their jobs โ the vast majority headed north across the U.S. border looking for better pay.
Building a wall won't fix this issue. Neither will negotiating US favorable trade agreements.
Even if Trump is a good guy, the fact that he got in with the campaign he did is fucked
IamMrT ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:00:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you forgot to say doesn't.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a simple question; just trying to understand and start a conversation.
If I went to, say, Switzerland, illegally, snuck in when I could have entered legally... why would I get offended if they kicked me out? Why would the Swiss be offended that their government kicked me out? That wouldn't be xenophobia in my mind, that's just the law.
Why is it so different with Mexicans?
Isord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don''t think the simple act of wanting stricter immigration is racist, just that it is surrounded with racism. It is always about Mexicans, there have been tons of cases of legal Mexican immigrants being told to "go home" and other stuff like that.
There's also no clear economic benefit to reduced immigration so one has to wonder why people are so virulent about it.
And the bigger problem is that even if he realizes he ran a campaign that is against his personal views, whatever those may actually be, the bell can't be un-rung. He has encouraged hatred and intolerance to float to the surface of this country and he doesn't just get to say "my bad" and it all goes away. He is responsible for his followers actions precisely because he encouraged them, whether he agrees with them or not.
The question is: What will he do about all of that now?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:24:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuuuuck Pence though. I'd be a lot more comfortable with this if Pence weren't VP. He could've picked basically any other Republic I know of and I'd be fine with it
DaneMac ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he ran on a campaign of anger towards illegal immigrants
What's wrong with that part?
Isord ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:56:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's undeserved. It has no significant effect on wages or availability of jobs, and there's no indication of exceptional levels of violent criminality otherwise.
It's couched in racial rhetoric since most of the focus is on Mexicans and coming across the land border, despite visa overstays arguably being a bigger problem.
DaneMac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Obama has kicked out scores of illegal immigrants yet no one bats an eye?
Come into the country through proper channels. That's all
His claims about illegal immigrants were incorrect. Undocumented immigration into the US has tripled since the 90s while overall crime stats have plummeted.
Well do the people fleeing from countries like Honduras, Mexico, and Venezuela deserve the fucked up things the US did/helped to do that created the violence and instability, causing people to seek refuge?
^ this is the entire point that I think everyone can relate to. If your options are "stay in a dangerous place with your family" or "Run and fuck the legality part" anyone conservative or liberal is going to make the same choice.
cgprats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know Honduras definitely deserves it. In San Pedro, my cousin (he's a resident, so he's seen many screwed up things in the police, but nothing that endangered the public to this level) saw a person shooting with an AK-47 (AFAIK the gun is illegal there, too) at an abandoned building for no apparent reason. Then a cop passes by and the guy with the gun hands the cop some money bill and prevents arrest. I know police bribery happens everywhere, but I doubt it's to the point that it's so blatant.
Isord ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:16:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal =/= wrong.
It's illegal to smoke weed in many places still, doesn't mean it is wrong or that people that smoke weed should be looked down upon. And I'm guessing you don't think that drinking alcohol was wrong from 1920 to 1933.
bbctol ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but he's been associating with people who are more than happy to extend that to all immigrants. His chief strategist just doesn't want foreigners in, period.
Nunuyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would like Bannon gone if only for conflicts of interest as he is Brietbart. Also, there are conservatives/Republicans that hate him like Glenn Beck or Paul Ryan for how much Brietbart shat on him.
It depends. They are liked depending on what they do but once they start to oppose Trump or his appointments, the base goes after them.
amaduli ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm reminded of Dune and the moment he foresees the jihad had taken on its own life and he couldn't stop it, only manage it the best he could.
phargle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The historical record of "it's not our leader, it's his advisors" is not pretty.
(Spoilers: It's our leader.)
CarmenTS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Edited my post...
jst3w ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is necessarily him because these are the people he surrounds himself with to do all of the real work of the presidency that he can't and/or does not care to.
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know what you mean... i edited my response and added. When I say "not necessarily him", I meant to say not his individual belief system... at least it wasn't BEFORE. Now? Yes.
If he was always fairly liberal and democratic, then what the hell kinda of personality disorder or mental illness is he suddenly suffering from that has caused such a bizarre change in direction? That's the concerning part. He seems very unpredictable and his newfound values don't seem to come from anywhere akin to reality.
Yeah Trump does scare me, but what scares me even more are the Republicans behind him and Trump's own supporters. I mean, when supporters call their leader the "God Emporer," that has to set off a bunch of red flags about that group
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine on FB suggested we start referring to his supporters as "red hats"... I'm all for it.
drewret ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's helpful. Why lump him in with those others?
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes. Have you heard any of the stuff he's spouted in the past couple years?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has the best words!
CarmenTS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you bigly.
Lol, I hate the guy, but I also still think he said, "big league" and not "bigly".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read that 4chan post that says that his appointments are his life insurance, like "Fine you can kill me, but you'll be stuck with these asswipes"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:29 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:22 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HA HA HAHAHA!!!!!!!
Have an AWESOME day, lol.
PS. I don't watch Girls.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:22:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't do anything though. That was the media. Look at unedited videos of his speeches, and other appearances. He went out of his way to learn about problems facing the country and to try and figure out how to fix them, while Hillary sat around spewing hate and vitriol.
Ah yes, the reddit normalizing crew. Take note ladies and gentlemen. Trump hasn't said anything dangerous, it's only his people don't worry y'all
CarmenTS ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I am NOT NORMALIZING HIM. His rhetoric has been disgusting, dangerous, and completely unacceptable. He is an EXCELLENT propagandist whether he knows it or not and that is extremely worrisome. I'm talking about Trump the individual, however, but for whatever reason, he chose to appeal to the lowest common denominator of people by using bigoted rhetoric and he won. It worked, even though I don't think that's how he really believes about (certain) things.
He has been honing his propaganda for decades. He used to have a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed.
I cried too.
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really an artform. Do you know how many people I've met and know personally who have said the words, "Well, I watch FOXNews because they're fair and balanced." LOLWUT?? If it wasn't so dangerous, I'd be impressed.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fen1kz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the other choice you had is WW3 with russia, aka Clinton
shneven ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. There's some glimmers of hope, but then he does shit like Bandon and continues talks of registries for certain citizens.
He's appointed Steve Bannon, a white nationalist as chief strategist and a senior member of the Family Research Council (anti-LGBT hate group) as head of domestic affairs. He could suddenly start mimicking Bernie Sanders, it won't matter, the damage is done.
I'm certainly not trying to justify his campaign tactics but you can't deny that it was.. frankly, genius. He's a master of branding. I am of the opinion that he did whatever he could to get votes and hopefully doesn't intend to follow through with some of these "promises". He certainly wouldn't be the first president to do so. Instead of paying for votes through advertisement, he aggressively self-marketed via Twitter and created as much publicity (good or bad) that he could. His persona appealed to demographics that no one else tried to reach, and his outlandish remarks won him the election by creating fear of the alternatives and separating him from the other candidates.
It's still a dirty trick and he isn't fit to run the country but one can be hopeful that there were ulterior motives to his actions.
Innalibra ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:35:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It also speaks volumes about how little trust people have in the political process, and the apparent truth portrayed through the media. In their mind, both are manipulative and corrupt. Trump might spew horseshit and say whatever he needs to get elected, but it's so blatant that I think many people just didn't take it seriously and viewed it more as him mocking a broken system.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:07:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not from the US but this is the exact reason I thought he would win. People are sick of the current establishment and voted for change. Not just a change, but a leap the other way, a leap into the unknown. Hopefully politicians around the world take notice and realise they can't take the people they work for for granted. We've seen it with Brexit too, and with numerous elections occurring in Europe over the next few years, I think the western world have an interesting number of years ahead. I wish it hadn't come to this, but out of him and Hillary I was always rooting for Trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So at best he's just a crook exploiting peoples fear and hatred for power, rather than a pure authoritarian.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get such a justice boner when I read comments like this knowing he won.
Maybe we'll be lucky, and when he gets sworn in on January 20, he'll tell his whole cabinet "you're fired", and it'll be a giant joke on the Republican party.
This. While I'm sure he's a decent guy in person, his business ethics are pretty terrible and his way of getting people whipped up into a hateful frenzy is even worse. I could never endorse someone who does that, even if it's just an act to get votes from the rubes.
It's not the campaign he ran, it's the campaign the media made up to demonize him. Everything you think you saw and heard was wildly out of context and misconstrued (deliberately) by the media. I cemented my vote for Trump when I started watching his full speeches and stopped listening to the press altogether.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:35:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated him more when I started listening to his actual speeches. He's just as bad as the media says.
rhinguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? How were they worse?
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:05:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't really worse, they were the same as the media said. My perception of him was worse because I had always heard this narrative that the media is lying, so I kinda gave him a pass a little. Stopped doing that when I saw the speeches and realized the media is not lying
Watched the entire video. And the basis of his defense was essentially "we are the platform for white supremacists, but doesn't mean we're white supremacists." Although that may be true, you have to be a special naรฏve person to believe it.
OmniProg ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:32:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He specifically says they are not the platform for white nationalism. They just report on it. Go find me one article from Breitbart that is pro white nationalism. Go do it. I'll wait.
Haha calm your tits, honey. I guess you didn't watch the whole video? The anchor corrected him and told him that Breitbart has stated before that they are a platform for the alt-right, and then YOUR guy finally admitted that they did claim to be the platform. Then your guy tried to change the narrative by saying "platform" doesn't mean that Breitbart is a white supremacist company, which is laughable. Typical rightist spin.
OmniProg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, you can play semantics all you like. Still waiting over here for a pro-white nationalist article link from Breitbart.
I never said they published anything, calm ya tits honey. They said they are the platform for white supremacists which is enough to want to disassociate from them. But I understand how ya alt-rightists like to justify crap like that
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Ey_mon ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's proven true with every trump supporter I observe. There's no convincing you monsters, you support hate and violence against everyone I care about whether or not you recognize it.
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Ey_mon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why are you defending his hate rallies?
Pretentious? I was just shown that a significant population of the country thinks everyone I care about is worth hating for looks or sexuality. Why should I be anything less than hateful for much more valid reasons towards those who support it?
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Ey_mon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What they think is that me and everyone I care about deserves hatred and violence. This isn't about changing their opinion, if they are going to be hateful and dangerous to those I care about, they will get the same thing in return. They will get worse if they continue. The more they threaten my family and friends with their words and their votes, the more of my hatred they will receive in turn. I want them afraid. I want them to feel the fear my friends and family feel now, scared of those they hate, afraid to leave their homes where we live for fear of their safety. I'll settle for antagonizing them wherever I find them, no matter how it makes me look, because it will piss them off.
KurtSTi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I voted for Trump and didn't hear any dangerous rhetoric. What I found dangerous this election cycle was the fact that voters are willing to spin the die on a candidate who has privately told her financial backers that she has a public and private position, therefore admitting that she lies about what she plans to do for the people she wants votes from.
Exactly. Like I'm not at all shocked to hear he's a decent person in public, of course he is. But the fact that he allowed his campaign to go the way it did says all I need to know about the man.
fool me once, shame on-..shame on you. fool me-you can't get fooled again.
Matasaga ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought Hitler looked like a kind man. Only when he's smiling though.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol all it takes is a strangers 5 minute observance of Trump to make you forget all the hateful rhetoric he's spewing?
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 16:35:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you aren't speaking to me, but I am sure it will not easily be forgotten. But I think all of these anecdotes (the good and the bad) are important to consider to put together a more accurate picture of our very controversial president-elect. I'm giving Reddit the benefit of the doubt and assuming most of the responders in this thread are not Trump or Hillary shills. I think the 5-minute observations are important to consider, too.
Jp2585 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is you are trying to equate a bunch of unverified anecdotes to vile words he said on camera with the intention of having that footage broadcast. This thread should not be changing anyone's opinion of him unless there's proof behind it.
No, I doubt that. Some redditor in some political thread had said something along the lines that "voters who voted for him rather voted despite the nasty things he's said". Besides, it's still all I hear about or see scrolling through my social media feeds in regards to Trump, so it hasn't been forgotten.
JayLeeCH ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 16:29:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take the time to get to know someone and you could probably find differences between their private/public personality.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:34:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is what hilary believes lol. Have a public view and a private view
rbGriphon ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 16:46:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because there's a difference between what you want and what your constituents want.
I don't see a problem here. Tim Kaine is opposed to abortion, but supports the right to it. Private, public. People and politicians forget they (the politicians) are elected to serve the people, not their own personal interests.
dkinmn ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:31:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her position wasn't quite that. Or what the other guy said.
She said you need to argue differently for a policy in public versus in private. The arguments a politician gets in in private aren't for the public sphere, and the sweeping generalizations of the public sphere have no place in actual policy discussion and implementation.
Literally the least controversial thing anyone has ever said about politics.
Or she's a documented and habitual liar who was talking about how much she lies and enjoys lying.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I get that. I'm no Trump supporter by any means, I left the top of the ticket blank, but would have gone for her had I been forced to. But...
She routinely through her actions never showed this. Take gun control.
"I support the 2nd amendment."
"I was on the side of DC in the Heller case but only because it was trying to protect children."(Even a cursory reading of the case shows it had absolutely nothing to do 'about the children' and Hilary Clinton isn't that stupid.)
(In a private meeting) "I think the Supreme court got the Heller case wrong."
That's like 3 wildly different positions on one issue, and is untransparent to what her actual personal or public positions are. I know what Tim Kaine personally thinks about abortion because he told me. And then told me he seeks to balance his personal beliefs with imposing them on others as a matter of governance. I have absoultely no clue what Clinton thinks on this issue as a balance in lawmaking.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always respected that kind of thing. Personally, I think abortion is immoral. I don't agree with women when that say that it is "their body". Yes it is but you have another person's body inside of it.
However, society doesn't always have the right to punish us for saying/doing bad things. A woman that chooses to abort her unborn child is not a harm to society and owes society no debts for this action, therefore it should not be illegal.
This goes for a lot of issues.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:07:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and everyone gave her shit for that, but when Trump does it it's "smart campaigning"
dkinmn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is painfully obtuse.
JayLeeCH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that? I wouldn't consider keeping an open mind obtuse.
Seriously talk to people, don't just write them off as insane or plain wrong. And maybe you might be able to see the logic in their statements. Most you might not agree with, but it might put a lot of things into perspective. Empathy goes a long way.
dkinmn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just asking us to ignore all of the things he's already said and done.
That's obtuse.
You're hiding behind nice sounding words and principles to excuse garbage. It's silly. Stop it.
JayLeeCH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quite the opposite actually, but I can see what you're trying to get at.
It doesn't completely change my opinion on him, personally, but it does give me some hope that his presidency won't be as bad as me and everyone else thinks it'll be.
Pris257 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He seemed to have really calmed down in the 60 minutes interview this week. I am really hoping that a lot of what he did on the campaign trail was for attention. Just have to wait and see but I am keeping an open mind for now.
Does his motivation matter when it results in people being discriminated against? If he's really that kinda person that throws away all his moral principles to further his career and get attention, he's still an asshole.
I think there's quite a difference between making political compromises and the shit Trump pulls. You gotta be blind not to see that Trump's bigoted rhetoric is different to anything "normal" politician do.
I didn't support him but I do step away from the campaign coverage because he was being defined too much by the worst members of his support and his opposition.
dazmo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:28:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing. It's rhetoric. He has said some dubious things arguably (and only if you take fear mongering and slander from the left at face value does it even become arguable) . But Clinton has done far more dubious things including but not limited to literally being in bed with the grand dragon of the kkk. There was no choice, so you're welcome.
literally being in bed with the grand dragon of the kkk
You mean Robert Byrd don't you? A man who served 51 years in the United States Senate and was the longest-serving member of Congress and was deeply respected by the Senate and the Democratic party. His involvement with the Clan happened in the 1940s, over 70 years ago, but the way you voice it sounds like Hillary's buddies with the current leader. Byrd repeatedly said that his involvement in the KKK was a great mistake and later on he came to back civil rights measures and Obama.
But according to you Hillary's connection to a man, who was briefly affiliated with the organisation and who's changed his stance long before he and Hillary even met, is equal to Trump refusing to condemn the KKK's support now. You deliberately misrepresent this situation to paint Clinton as some grand KKK endorser. Trump supporters love to wave Robert Byrd as some grand victory flag over Clinton but in reality her connection to him means nothing. This is just pure misinformation and propaganda.
Also, the only reason there are no instances of Trump making grave political mistakes is cause he has no political experience at all. According to this logic, Snoop Dogg also makes a better president then Clinton. Trump can't hide behind his lack of experience forever.
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Oh he apologized everyone! I wonder what changed his mind from 'white power' to 'minorities are ok by me!' He's still an active member of the naawp if that tells you anything. And in order for trump to disavow his kkk supporters he would first have to acknowledge it which is what he actually refused to do. Keep waving that great non victory flag though. It's a neverending source for humor. And trumps great victory flag over Clinton isn't the fact that she's got the kkk in her front pocket, it's the actual victory on Nov 8th. Didn't you hear?
edit: oops i meant 'naacp' not 'naawp' how could i make THAT mistake - They're so different! p.s. the DNC's double standards are part of the reason you lost. Seriously if this is the best your party can do, it should just quit.
exrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't justify promoting racism and hate. Those are lines of integrity that should not be crossed.
Liberal politicians often promote racism and hate. They have to keep the people divided in order to convince minority groups they care about their well-being.
exrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
garhent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:06 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pissed as a trans female pre-op that there is a chance I can't use the ladies showers at the gym. Why should my penis preclude me from using the showers, I'm really miffed.
and perhaps how he presented himself at the signing was to make him look good, not his actual personality?
dsmdylan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the presumption?
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:38:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry bud I didn't support Clinton and am not American, nice way to try to shift focus from Trump though. This isn't going to work for much longer, Clinton can't be your scapegoat forever ;).
Early in his real estate career, he routinely refused housing to black people who presented the same rental agreements as whites. A pleasant, well-mannered racist is still a racist.
k_nasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, most serial sexual abusers don't mention it in typical conversation
Bryce29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're more safe now, tbh.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird how easily swayed people are by anecdotal stories on the internet.
"Yeah, this man campaigned on a platform that runs against everything I believe in, and a mounting body of evidence suggests he's a tax dodging sexual assaulter, but some rando on reddit said he was nice once so hey, he seems cool."
TThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would still look at the administration he is putting forward, it is not very reassuring :\
omg you felt soooo in danger before... i hope you're ok :(
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason you feel unsafe is because of extreme media bias.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy biased media showing us Trump's videos and his exact words in context!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which one of those exact words in context(lol) make you feel unsafe?
Lesp00n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you listen to the words that came out of his mouth? Like at all? Because those are why I feel unsafe. That and Mike Pence. FUCK Pence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which words specifically make you feel unsafe?
Lesp00n ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:06:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have time to make a full list. But the words 'running mate Mike Pence' are pretty high up there. As are calling immigrants rapists and criminals, Muslims terrorists, and saying shit like 'grab them by the pussy' and implying that the women coming forward saying that Trump has sexually assaulted them are too ugly to be sexually assaulted.
I feel unsafe as a member of the LGBTQ+ community, as a sexual assault survivor, and as a woman. Trump respects none of these groups of people. It's clear from his very own words that have repeatedly left his very own mouth.
Huh I always thought trump was pro gay marriage for decades and Hilarly only changed her mind after it went through.
Lesp00n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who brings in Mike Pence is not pro LGBTQ+. Also theres a huge difference in 'pro gay marriage' and 'pro LGBTQ+.' We need the latter, because it doesn't stop at marriage.
Trump let's trans use whatever bathroom he wants in his building. Pence is a dick but that doesn't mean trump hates gays. I feel you are actively trying to further divide people who are Republican and people who are gay instead of try and bring them together.
Lesp00n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Doesn't hate" is not equal to "pro." And the Republican party is already doing an excellent job of that on their own, they don't need any help from the other side.
When he started to mellow a little, I felt the same way. Now you have a bunch of riled up morons with guns who are going to feel like they were lied to. How is that safe feeling now?
Definitely not the persona he portrayed while running for president.
He's a salesman who specializes in selling himself. He will adopt whatever persona he thinks will sell him to the customer. In this case, voters. This is true of every politician. He's just really good at it.
Donald Trump represents the fundamental problem with democracy: What it takes to convince the people to elect you isn't necessarily the same skillset as actually doing the job.
Definitely not the persona he portrayed while running for president.
I mean it has to be a persona he plays, right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a picture floating around of him eating on his jet and he has this sort of boyish grin on his face, I don't know why but it is, kind of cute in a way to be honest with you. Here's this quiet, billionaire just eating his burger on his private jet.
He didn't portray a persona. One was provided to him.
rblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is comforting. I can focus on being worried about the human shit he surrounds himself with. As a Hoosier, Mike Pence is my biggest concern. Nobody likes him here.
Yet he was first elected in 2000, and has been elected to some office ever since? Every Indianan I've talked to likes him.
rblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He pissed off Republicans and Democrats alike. He ran on the platform of creating jobs and helping business, but instead he chose the path of supporting divisive social changes which hurt our economy. He is an embarrassment to the state, which we will now share with the world. He is deeply unpopular here.
Honestly, I still have my reservations about Trump, but I'd be lying if I said that this thread hasn't at least made me question whether he's truly as crazy as he seems. This thread has given me some hope that he might actually be a decent President.
The media did not want Trump because Hillary supports the interests of mega-corporations who own said media outlets.
They painted him in a very bad light. Everyone, especially those who are well-known and powerful, has controversies, and liberal media outlets magnified them.
I'm just glad he is our President-elect. Things are already getting better, even though the rioters, who are self-fulfilling their own prophecy, wouldn't want you to think so.
Really? Do you have any sources or links to information about good things? Been trying to find some positive news but it's been really difficult lately.
monkeiboi ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 00:08:54 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our stock market is been on a record high streak for the past week. Business small and large are bolstered by his business friendly and tax lenient stance.
Russia has formally announced they want to formally meet to deescalate growing tensions between them and the U.S.
Canada and Mexico want to renogotiate NAFTA, knowing that he's likely to axe the deals altogether.
The Japanese PM has met with him and praised him highly, as did China.
The man hasn't even taken office yet.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:04:28 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dont forget that apple is moving their factories which employ almost 1 million people to the US
That's really all Trump supporters ask: Just give him a chance. He's a great guy and he has great plans for this nation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:35 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Give him a chance eh?
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 11:39:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In hierarchical societies high ranking members are typically aggressive towards rivals but polite and friendly towards extreme subordinates. In ape societies leaders attack and intimate near subordinates but smack their lips and make submission displays towards the lowest ranking members of the group. This ensures popular support for them from the majority of the group but keeps rivals intimidated and unlikely to challenge them, helping them to cement their position with both tactics. Conclusion: trump is an ape. Or just a skilled and charismatic business and now political leader.
Keep in mind that the vast majority of what you're reading here are stories of brief interactions with strangers, not exactly the kind of thing that necessarily speaks to a person's deeper character. A key quality of narcissists/sociopaths is that they're incredibly charming. Charles Manson was known for charming the pants off of people he'd just met, too, it's hardly a reason to dismiss everything else we know about either of them.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 20:41:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I'm bringing up Manson specifically because he's a textbook sociopath, and sociopaths are often quite charming (especially if they've, say, studied things like Dale Carnegie's "How To Win Friends And Influence People" like Manson did during his early prison stints):
"Later in life and in his trial, in his testimony, you hear people say over and over, 'Oh, it was like he could read my mind. He came and talked to me, and it was like he was immediately the friend I'd wanted and had never had.'"
From what I've gathered, he's a pretty friendly, gregarious person to interact with. He's also a pathological, proven liar who's plunged the country into demonstrably worse shape than it was before he got it into his head to run for president.
One doesn't negate the other.
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I never talked to him, but I was at a party he attended about 18 months ago. He wasn't rude at all, just odd. He told a story about how Bill Gates once told a room of people that he (Donald) was really smart and had good ideas. It felt weirdly self-conscious on his part.
I also met his helicopter pilots, who said that he was a nice guy, always making sure they were taken care of, had eaten, etc. The pilots said the megadouche was his son, Eric.
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But its not the weight, its the eyes and his smile and his...everything I guess. Trump is not an extremely handsome man or anything but nothing compared to this
Taylor814 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:03:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This picture is especially bad haha. The angle, the double chin, the teeth.
See I don't think young Ivana was attractive at all. Donald, eh, I guess he wasn't ugly. Their sons creep me out though, so I do find it surprising that one of their children came out attractive.
bsbbtnh ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:38:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The nose job pic is very obviously photoshopped. Go look at her nose from the 60 minutes interview and it doesn't look like that at all. Also, her boobs exploded in size when she got pregnant.
Znees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the 60 minutes nose doesn't look anything like her old nose.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:58:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna be this guy's friend and give him the nickname "Purge Night". I really just want a crazy homicidal rich friend like Dandy from American Horror Story. I'd help him with his crazy shenanigans and provide comic relief, but end up being the one that's more insane.
47B-1ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's crazy how Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Eric have the same mom and yet Eric was completely robbed of the family's looks. It's like he took all his attractive stat points and poured them all into height.
EDIT: Oh man, apparently he did. Although I can think of a couple of other explanations for that pic - maybe someone else ordered a lemonade and asked for another cup so they could split it.
I've never had lemonade at In-N-Out, but IIRC they keep it with the fountain drinks. So pouring your friend a lemonade then refilling it is no better than pouring it directly into the water cup
ha. he does look like a weasel.
I thought he kinda looked like a vampire. My friend and I joke how he probably stays in his room that he keeps a bug collection. He just looks like he enjoys weird things like building a bug army.
Ebmoclas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These days he looks like he keeps body parts in his room and walks around town in a suit all day pretending that he's a stock broker.
I'm sure there are many valid reasons to hate him. Can we leave off making fun of people because of the way they look? It's rampant on Reddit, even though we are all smart enough to make more intelligent comments. Well, most of us, anyway.
I have no reason to hate him, I've never even heard him talk. Believe it or not, people judge others by how they look, and he literally looks like a weasel. Might be a nice guy. Looks like a weasel.
It's gotta be that hair for starters. It is impossible to not look like a douchebag with that slicked back hair. It is the go to hairstyle in every movie for the stereotypical rich douche.
Edit: typo
hochizo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:58:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since Gordon Bombay slicked his hair back like the Iceland coach, I've known: that hairstyle makes you an asshole.
It's been my experience that a large number of people named Eric are douches, mega or otherwise, so I'm not really surprised.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:03:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense, Trump was born into a lot of money, but still made it into an empire, while his kids don't have to do much and are surrounded by a lot more money then when Donald grew up
PlayMp1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:00:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, as much of a narcissist as Donald Trump is, he's also clearly insecure and just wants validation and to be appreciated. Eric Trump, however, is just a dick.
Sawses ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:02:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt kinda bad for his youngest son, though. Standing up there on the stage behind his dad. You could tell he hadn't quite processed the fact that he was going to be living in the White House.
He always seemed to be really entitled and prissy, then my friend went to a really he spoke at and someone handed him a Trump 2016 shirt to cover his north Korea t shirt so Eric wouldn't be insulted
Donald was born in Queens; Eric was born in Manhattan. Donald spent 70 years trying to break into the inner circle of the NYC elite; his children were born there.
I think there's some "rule" that it takes about 3 or 4 generations to lose the initial wealth the original parents who made it had.
Surprisingly, it's not necessarily that one particular set if kids blew it, it's that it gets diluted with more kids/grandkids. Eventually it just becomes smaller and easier to blow through
icyrepose ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:15:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One generation to earn the wealth, one to enjoy it, and one to waste it.
Supposedly it's a Chinese proverb, but people always attribute things to China if they want to sound wise, so who knows.
Lokmann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Them Chinese people be hella smart dude.
bluesox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about Chinese proverbs in general, but history wise this very well could have been a quote. China has a long history, much of which had a booming economy and a healthy market. There are tons of stories of families getting super rich, and then losing it all relatively quickly. The most famous example is the of China's classic novels, "Dream of the Red Chamber", about one particular family's rise and fall in the Qing dynasty.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprisingly, it's not necessarily that one particular set if kids blew it, it's that it gets diluted with more kids/grandkids. Eventually it just becomes smaller and easier to blow through
This is why families used to will everything they owned to the firstborn son and only give the others enough to live comfortably. It keeps the money together that way and gives the best chance at a dynasty.
I hear ya. Awhile back on some random thread, someone posted that a few families from the antiquity days in Italy were still able to pass down their wealth all the way to modern times. I think the Medici family was one of them. Dont quote me on that.
I was curious, so I just skimmed a Wikipedia article on the Medici's. Apparently they had influence over Europe for hundreds of years, up until the 18th century, when the main branch collapsed. However, they had many cadet branches, some of which are still alive today.
People who build huge fortunes understand that wealth is earned by hard work, and that it needs to be managed responsibly. yes, you can enjoy life with some of the money. but wealthy people tend to live below their means, and devote a good chunk of their income to charities they support.
the problem comes in when some of the kids raised in this wealth don't appreciate the hard work and responsibility of it. they feel entitled, think they don't need to have a job, and are more likely to squander the wealth their parents built.
edit: FWIW, my parents were not super-wealthy, under a million dollar estate. but they didn't approve of the addiction and bad money habits of some of my brothers and sisters.
Ebmoclas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Were they cut out of the will, or what?
hyon420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not surprising, but unprofessional it is. If I were a pilot for Trump, I would not say this to a stranger. Maybe my partner or friends, but not some random guy.
It's surprisingly common for perfectly decent famous people to have absolute asshole famous children. You see it a lot with celebrities and political dynasties like the Kinnocks in the UK.
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On the other hand something about barron makes me feel like he is a really polite kid, the real next trump
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if you cast Trump as Baron Harkonnen, then Eric is Rabban - a foaming at the mouth, over the top maniac.
But Donald Jr. seems like Feyd-Rautha - anybody who goes to bed with him has to have the expectation that at some point in the night, they're gonna have a rusty needle shoved up their urethra.
bajamtz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the kid that's born into wealth and doesn't have the same level of respect for it that comes from having to earn it yourself. That said, there are a lot of rich pricks that have earned it themselves along with some bullshit sense of entitlement.. Money does funny things to people.
Conjwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine there are few children of billionaires that aren't megadouches.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its always the third generation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he the one with the weasely face and slicked-back hair?
That guy has the most punchable face I've ever seen.
I am acquainted with a guy who had been his jet pilot for a while in the 80's and 90's. I spoke with him on election day and also a few days later. My friend is very reasonable, rationale, and likely moderately right-leaning politically. He had nothing but nice things to say about Trump as a person, and mentioned that he always seemed to hire people of diverse backgrounds. He also emphasized that Trump was respectful to those around him, including employees. He gave me an anecdote that TL:DR basically involved Trump finding out about some kid needing medical transportation and without fanfare or expectation of any personal gain flew the kid in his own jet and on his own dime. His comments are basically the only reason I haven't given up all hope.
He would still be his pilot, because his pilot has been same since the 80's. And him flying the boy is well documented. None of the airlines would accommodate the stuff he needed to fly with. So trump flew him.
And this is what is so frightening about his presidential run. By most peoples accounts, he's actually a pretty likable and respectful guy, almost the complete opposite of what he has portrayed himself to be during the elections. Yet he was ready and willing to use the southern strategy and play on the fears that lots of white Americans have about blacks, immigrants, Muslims etc. The environment and atmosphere that he has welcomed through his rhetoric is extremely divisive and dangerous to the American public. He's opened up a genie that will never be able to go back into its bottle. Using racism and xenophobia as a platform for a bid at the most powerful position in the world is at the least irresponsible, at worst...well I don't wanna think about how bad it can possibly get.
Uh, blame the media. Trump is so pro-minority he won the fucking Ellis Island Award alongside Rosa Parks, bruh. The media chose to display him as a racist, sexist, xenophobic monster because it suited them, not because that is who he is. He isn't any of those things.
TMWNN ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 23:25:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in NYC. Trump has been a local celebrity for 40 years, long before The Apprentice made him a household name. As /u/GeneticsGuy said, it is impossible, impossible, for any real racist to have made it through the crucible of the New York media spotlight for that long without having been exposed as being one. Strange how, once Trump became a Republican candidate, the Democratic party and the usual horde of bien-pensants immediately anointed him as a racistsexistantigayist like every single non-leftist political candidate is said to be, eh?
I'm definitely more on the Trump side than Hillary but he did put out a message saying that he wants to ban Muslims from entering the country... not much spin needed for that one.
He's suggested a temporary ban on immigration from majority-muslim countries where terrorism is a problem. Which, whether one agrees with it or not, is not racist as islam is not a race, but a religion, and is in fact explicitly allowed by our national Constitution. So. Agree with him or not, what's implictly negative about admitting there's a problem with letting people into our country who may literally be terrorists without screening them heavily? Look at Ghana - they just shut down a fake embassy that had been giving out illegal but legitimate visas and passports for a decade. Anyone with money could have bribed their way into an actually legitimate but non-authorized visa. What's wrong with admitting that we need to have entrance exams when extending the privilege to others of letting them reside with us in our great nation?
Are we talking about the same man who had countless lawsuits against him because of his penchant for housing discrimination? The same man who said that because a judge is Mexican, that he should be removed from one of his court cases? Lmao @pro minority
Trump hasn't had a single successful lawsuit against him for discrimination against minority in his real estate. Not one. His father had a couple levied against him in the 70s, but Donald Trump is a smashingly upstanding guy. Unbrainwash yourself: You are still crying wolf
If you'd actually look into his court cases you'll see tons of obstruction, refusal to do things like produce documents in a timely manner (or sometimes, ever), and general time-wasting, because he is well known for simply making it so expensive to sue him successfully that nobody is generally able to do it. When he does think he might lose in a fairly quick fashion, he usually settles the case (and therefore, doesn't admit guilt... but it's interesting to look at how many settlements there are and which situations they occurred in). You can't just say a super rich person with gobs of expensive lawyers is innocent of all crimes because he's rarely been found guilty without looking at these factors. Do you think a "smashingly upstanding guy" would obstruct the courts and ignore direct orders from judges to produce documents for 2+ years? Is it your argument that he would do this because he is so incredibly innocent of wrong-doing? My guess is that he IS guilty of discrimination against minority renters (there is plenty of hard evidence, unbrainwash yourself) but that it was not malicious or motivated by bigotry... I'm guessing this behavior was based on either statistics or a general worry that certain "types" of renters were more likely to be poor or unable to pay rent, and that he was just trying to avoid entire groups by going with "safer" groups. Which coincidentally is still illegal behavior. Basically what I'm saying is I think he probably violated the law, in a racist manner, but I don't think he did it because of racism, just money.
You mean how the media portrayed him? The same media that gave him 2% to win, and you're still believing their spin? They sold you lies, preyed on your fear, and counted on your ignorance, after all of that you are still carrying their water. Here is an example, Trump never ever said to deport immigrants, he said to deport illegal immigrants, but the media leaves off the illegal part and stokes the flames of all immigrants. They did that on issue after issue, then blame it on fake Facebook news so they don't have to be accountable. Get some self respect man.
I dunno, I think they often report the illegal part, at least if they are real news orgs... I certainly recall seeing it throughout the election cycle, anyhow. People were upset specifically on behalf of, yes, ILLEGAL immigrants, not regular immigrants. I mean I'm sure there are people around who took it much more generally and broadly, but no reputable media org I saw said anything about non-illegal immigrants. The arguments were over how one would actually implement it any more broadly than it already is without violating various constitutional amendments, and, if you could somehow do it at all, what the effect on our economy would be. I did not hear anybody going on about him advocating deporting regular legal immigrants. I mean I'm sure there were people who did, but you can't point at some random nutbags with a domain name and be like "THEY REPRESENT THE EVIL LIBERAL MEDIA." In general, a lot of fake info about both candidates did get spread around social media very irresponsibly.
Out of curiosity, do you have a source for an instance when Trump played on fears about blacks? I've never seen an instance of that, and iirc, he received record support from blacks for a Republican candidate. Also, I would just like to point out an error: he used fears concerning illegal immigrants, not all immigrants. They are not the same.
Fucanelli ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 12:27:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the hate about what he said about illegal immigrants being criminal either. We literally have an entire agency (ICE) that deports hundreds of thousands of criminal illegal immigrants every year. Not just illegal immigrants, but specifically ones that have committed felonies
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:27:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why I'm racist for not caring about illegal immigrants. They've had how many years to apply for citizenship? Now they're worried because the due date is coming near. I don't even care if they get to stay, it's not a big deal to me, but I wouldn't he up set if they were all deported. How is that racist? I don't expect to go to their country and get free things without paying my dues.
14domino ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on January 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? You don't "apply for citizenship" if you're an illegal immigrant.
kkkkat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, tens of them.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:37:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mind sharing them?
kkkkat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:02:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His use of the slogan "Make America great again" is all one needs to hear to know what emotions and reactions he was trying to illicit from white society. This slogan, which originated from Ronald Reagans 1980 presidential campaign, is a part of "the southern stratagey" used to stoke memories of white nostalgia, when white privilege was uncontested and black subordination was unquestioned. "Make America white again" was heard loud and clear by both white and black voters. He dubbed himself "the law and order candidate" saying that he would be "tough on crime". Yet another dog whistle term that historically has been used as code word to assure white Americans that they're unwarranted fear of black criminality would be assuaged through, what the New York supreme court agreed, is a bias and racist police tactic--stop and frisk. There is a reason why the alt-right, the KKK, neo nazi and white nationalist groups all put their unwavering support behind Trump--he spoke directly to their racist and xenophobic sensibilities. Having these groups publicly endorse a presidential candidate would almost certainly sink a campaign, and to not have that candidate categorically denounce their support would be career suicide. Neither of which happened. That is because, he was able to tap into the psyche of the average white citizen, even those who consider themselves not to be racists, through his ability to invoke the idea of white agency and identity. The countless stories of post election harassment, violence, vandalism and disrespect of minorities by the white majority in the name of Trump, shows that his message was not lost on his constituency. This all may seem anecdotal, but the southern strategy is very real, very harmful, and Trump played it to perfection.
You are extrapolating. You haven't given me a concrete reason to believe that he was playing on bias against blacks yet. The closest you've come is to say that the white population of this country have, at the very least, internalized racism, and it's activated by conditioned "code words."
Yes, there were shitty people who responded to Trump's nationalism. The groups you listed obviously weren't going to throw their support behind a candidate who pandered to minorities for their votes. You're lacking the other viewpoint.
Also, after the shitstorm of the primaries, I choose not to believe accounts of aggression unless they can be proven true. Even if you have someone harrassing another person while screaming Trump, there were already accounts of paid hecklers during the primaries. Why should I believe that they've vanished?
And, while you may claim that makes me biased, I'm also skeptical of the fact that genuine Hillary supporters were starting violence at the protests. I believe it would be relatively easy for someone with influence to manufacture 90% of the post-election atmosphere. I am not saying that there are no true accounts of Trump supporters harrassing people. Every group of people has a few assholes.
You seem like a reasonable and fair-minded person, so if you could do me a favor and watch a Documentary on Netflix called "the 13th". It goes into greater depth and detail about the point that I was making about the southern strategy. It's a pretty good and not at all preachy.
Imo, it has really been the media that has portrayed him so negatively. No one ever accused him of being this white supremacist racist until he ran as a Republican and people have been digging into his life and every aspect of it for decades.
That is not true. What happened is that Donald and his sisters went to their dying father (who had Alzheimerโs or dementia according to different sources) and while he was on his deathbed they convinced Fred Trump Sr. to change his will to cut his firstborn son Freddy Trump Jr. out of the will almost entirely, the will was even drafted by Donald. After this was found out Freddy Trump Jr.'s widow sued Donald, and rightly so. After that happened Donald cut his nephew off of the family insurance which he had been set up by Fred Trump Sr.
First of all he voluntarily was paying in the first place, and then he "cut him off" essentially as a threat to the kids greedy mom who was suing for more inheritance when Fred Trump Sr. died.
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:17:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you know another rich man and because this man is rich and Donald Trump is rich, they are the same person with the same personalities?
Thanks
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[deleted] ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:54:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow I thought this was a reference to helicopter parents. Like he had some pilots that just followed him around all the time making sure he didn't fuck up or something.
[deleted] ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 19:07:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize it said pilots until I read your post, thought it said parents and thought it was weird that OP described Trump's parents like that. I suck at reading -_-
drs43821 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We, normal people, deals with more helicopter parents than helicopter pilots
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect Trump gets to his parent-teacher meetings by helicopter, so he literally is a helicopter parent.
Reyali ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually read it as "helicopter parents" and spent about a minute trying to figure out why his parents were there and talking about how he takes care of them. I realized my mistake on, I think, my third reading? Derp.
h-styles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same! That's what I get for working in college admissions...I'm just constantly on alert for helicopter parents.
I used to fly a guy around as his private flying limo pilot. He was a business man who owned a buttload of equipment and we'd fly to jobs around the country. A lot of times I'd tag along with him everywhere we went, from job sites to dinners. I always had to keep an eye and ear out whilst we were traveling to be sure he wasn't getting screwed over or saying the wrong things.
rich people are people too. I think no matter who you are, you'd brag a little if Bill Gates said something nice about you to a room full of people lol
I got such a megadouche vibe from Eric in that 60minutes interview. I picture him being really abusive to his family at home and acting like a total nice guy outside of it
Hmm his baby face gives the opposite impression to me. And that hair (barf)
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i dont know why people think trump would be an asshole. it's called social skills. most rich people and especially business people have them. they come from a line of people who were good at socializing. so while trump might have some ideas about society that we disagree with, that doesnt mean he doesnt know how to make people like him. you never really know someone until you've dealt with them over a wide range of issues. i dont know what people this in thread were hoping to see.
I have to say that I agree with this. There are plenty of people who are horrible, but very charming. If a psychopath can be nice, anyone can. Not that I think Trump is a psychopath, I don't know the man. The principal stands though. Anyone can be pleasant and yet have some pretty awful opinions. It's called being human.
I'm not commenting on Trump specifically at all here, but I think the idea comes from the (sometimes deserved) perception that a lot of wealthy people are arrogant and can be impolite in social situations with people of "lesser standing."
The guy who thought the big blue part of the map was the land?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What were the interactions between Donald and Eric like, then? I mean, if one is fairly nice and the other is a complete douche, it doesn't seem like they would have gotten along too well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no trouble believing Eric Trump is an enormous douche.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can believe that his sons have this look of doucheyness to them
Podo13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pilots said the megadouche was his son, Eric.
Yeah, I've never gotten the megadouche vibe from Trump. Ruthless, cutthroat and not of the highest intelligence maybe, but he's always seemed pretty nice in general. Unlike his son.
loumatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I've read and heard, Donald is great with personal relationships, friends and employees. Not sure why the effort and compassion doesn't translate. But, and you mentioned this to some degree, his two sons are huge entitled assholes.
All of these nice Donald stories are fascinating. Why would he go out of his way to be such a dick to people in this campaign? Having a hard time reconciling this info. Thanks for sharing it just the same.
I think he just wants people to know who he is and if he doesn't say it himself, he's worried people won't think he is. Not saying it's good or bad, just a matter of opinion.
I actually think Donald Trump would be a nice guy to anyone he meets. He seems like he treats people decently. I do, however, think that all goes out the window when it comes to business. I think he has trust and inferiority complexes that make him think everybody operates like he does (short pay, liens, lawsuits). I think he looks at president as a game to prove something to himself or others and that's why I have little faith in his presidency. Elected officials at the highest office shouldn't be trying to prove something. It's about serving others, not serving yourself.
My cousin said she met Trump at a party too. She said he was just kinda standoffish and kept to himself. But this was a party full of younger people, I'm sure he wouldn't have much to share.
That's a no brainer. I wouldn't want my pilots who literally have my life in their hands to be anything but well rested and not burning out from job stress.
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The vampire looking one?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also met his helicopter pilots, who said that he was a nice guy, always making sure they were taken care of, had eaten, etc.
This can be because of contractual obligations, but it's also just damn polite. I've known a couple of private pilots and they're always given lodging and meals, even if it's not at the level of whomever they're flying around with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pilots said the megadouche was his son, Eric.
huh, that's sorta surprising to hear. I was an intern on the Trump Campaign and the rest of my team and I got the opportunity to meet Eric. He talked with us for over 1/2 an hr, put his interviews on hold to do so. Seemed like a swell guy, was very interested in our strategies and what we were doing.
I met one of Trumps jet pilots... very particular person, which didn't surprise me. I mentioned that it must be an honor to fly for him and he just went "...yeah" in a way that said "its alright I guess"
I'm not surprised, if we put together the best artists, psychologists and engineers together to create the worlds most punchable face, it still wouldn't be as punchable as Eric Trump.
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I think he is even possibly on the Autism spectrum. Not kidding. As ASD runs in my immediate family, I believe I have it too based on my WAIS III and WJ scores.
After watching Trump speak and reading interviews about him, he seems very much like other people with ASD. That odd peculiarity about Bill Gates would be a textbook Asperger's comment.
BTW I don't think this is a bad thing. I think Trump has problems communicating verbally. I think that its his greatest weakness, but I think over the course of his life he has learned to create a veil that makes him seem the way he does.
edit: also too add. The fact that he is a night owl, which is pretty common with people with ASD, also adds to my belief.
Vranak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:24 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He told a story about how Bill Gates once told a room of people that he (Donald) was really smart and had good ideas. It felt weirdly self-conscious on his part.
It's because deep down he knows he's not a smart man that he continually has to try to prove to himself or others than he is. It's a basic psychological defense mechanism, and at the bottom of it all is a deep well of shame and sadness.
My parents were helicopter pilots for Trump in Manhattan. That's where they met.
He used the two helicopter gig to take his mistresses in on one aircraft, while flying his wife and kids out on the other.
My mom said 'he wasn't that bad, but he was like an old creepy man' despite admitting he was not old at the time.
My father never talked about Donald much, but right before the election my older brother and I were discussing the current state of affairs.
He said, "You know, you were too young to remember any of this, but right after you were born, he (Trump) stopped paying Dad."
I asked my parents to confirm and they said yes, that Donald didn't pay my dad for several weeks after I was born and we almost got evicted from our apartment.
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tblasz ยท 1286 points ยท Posted at 18:10:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Worked at one of his golf courses recently for a few months. He would come pretty often especially once the election began, as it was a good way to keep some privacy. Meet him a few times during my time there but the one I remember most was when I had to bring food to his cottage. Went through secret service checking me and I knock on his door. Didn't answer so I knock again. Didn't answer so I tried one more time. He opens the door and the conversation goes like this.
"I have your pasta primavera sir"
"Not for me, what is it again?"
"Pasta primavera", while looking at it
"Yeah not for me, sorry" and closed the door.
Turned out it was for his speech writer for the convention who was in a room next door.
Another time I watched him watch himself giving on interview on nbc in the men's lounge and his reactions were interesting. Have a few more stories about the man but overall from what I saw he was a great guy.
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There was the time we all pretty much knew pence would be the vp as the families spent the weekend together. Another time that comes to mind with him was when I helped serve ivankas table with trump was by and he asked me about the kosher wings but I didn't say anything as it was my first time dealing with it but my manager was there so he had my back and answered the questions he had.
Another time I watched him watch himself giving on interview on nbc in the men's lounge and his reactions were interesting.
Will you elaborate?
tblasz ยท 540 points ยท Posted at 19:05:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there were a few moments he claimed comments were taken out of context, followed by some of friends that it didn't sound so bad. There were private discussions that took place with his team that I didn't get a chance to be around as my manager made me do my job.
tatorface ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 20:39:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That's as close to a fly on the wall during a presidential election as it gets. Would love to have observed this and more.
cinepro ยท 472 points ยท Posted at 21:50:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine was a documentary filmmaker for Romney's 2008 and 2012 runs. He ended up making the movie "Mitt", which is a great view of the Romney side of the 2012 campaign. He was basically given carte blanche access to Romney during the entire campaign (including family gatherings and "time off"), and afterwards he was able to tell me the truth: Romney and his family were just the nicest, cheesiest people in the world.
It's possible that the race between Romney and Obama was a choice between the two best people to ever run for President from a character and moral standpoint.
Nsyochum ยท 191 points ยท Posted at 22:57:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course Romney is a super nice guy, he is Mormon, almost all Mormons are super nice.
jaxxon ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:21:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And cheesy. In a good way.
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ronton ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:50:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never agreed with Romney's politics and proudly voted for Obama, but I was never genuinely concerned that the country would go to shit if he won. That was a nice election.
odaeyss ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:22:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually did not vote in that election! I just... didn't really care. I mean, hey whatever. No strong opinion and was honestly totally fine with however it turned out.
Mitt always asks the people at our local ice cream spot to put extra sprinkles on his wife's ice cream once she walks away from the ordering window. Then he brings it up once she comes back with the grandkids to get the cones and she always laughs and smiles about it.
I definitely and proudly voted for Obama in 2012, and volunteered on his campaign. But that was such a good doc. I had this impression of Romney as being so out of touch and almost robotically career-minded and money-focused. But after seeing that movie I developed a deep respect for him as a family man with deep convictions that meant a lot to him. It changed how I look at politics, especially the "other side." Tell your friend "thanks" from a random redditor!
Honestly, not entirely dissimilar ideologically either. Obamacare is basically just MassHealth applied to the entire country, which was Romney's doing.
I'm your classic liberal stereotype, but I'd have voted for Romney against a different Democratic candidate (like, say, Hillary).
I live a couple towns over from the Romney's (Someone on his road STILL has one of his campaign signs up, funny enough). My best friend was in boy scouts and had a scout meeting at his house. Friend says he's one of the nicest people you could ever meet. Friend also had a hilarious crush on one of his daughters at the time.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:49:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet the media still slandered the fuck out of him and called him a racist.
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cinepro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes he is!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:09:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was watching that a while ago and was blown away... Almost wonder if he would have been better... don't get me wrong, I was in college and we partied when Obama got elected but still... a man can dream.
Thanks for sharing this! I was brought to tears by the documentary, and while I voted for Romney, I like the way you put the 2012 race between him and Obama.
asoneva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure all presidents are nice, most politicians are nice, that's how they got to be politicians. People have to like you.
cinepro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Nice" in public maybe. But Nixon, Johnson, Hillary Clinton, and numerous Senators and other leaders have had more than a few stories about their private conduct that paints less than a rosy picture.
But the media wanted people to think of him as hitler
cinepro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't recall it ever getting that bad with the mainstream media. Obviously there was a lot of self-inflicted damage with the comment about the 49% who don't pay taxes at the fundraiser. That kind of created a persona that was hard to shake.
tblasz ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 20:45:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a great experience and loved the few months I was there. It was nearly a wet dream if you are into politics.
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xasper8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not doubting your story. I just find this bit interesting:
Went through secret service checking me and I knock on his door...."Yeah not for me, sorry" and closed the door.
I'm surprised the SS would not, at least, be aware of a room service order. ANYONE could steal a hotel uniform and walk up with a tray of food... I'm shocked they wouldn't at least confirm an order was made before allowing you access anywhere near his door.
tblasz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:18:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I knew the secret service guys as we fed them as well, we also went through background checks, and they looked at the ticket that came with the order that said bring to trumps cottage. Should have made that more clear sorry.
xasper8 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:46:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain that!
tblasz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:49:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I not believing any of these positive posts?
Because you believe everything you're told as long as it aligns with your personal world views and if it doesn't you automatically dismiss it as bullshit?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah man
d13bacc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:49:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's because the media has led you to believe that he cannot possibly be a nice person. It's the old judge a book by a cover, or first impressions mean everything type of deal. remember a lie told enough times eventually becomes a truth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But these "impressions" are both numerous and really damaging. Also, whether these are his true beliefs are or not, he has legitimized hate speech as well as hate crimes. Since the election results we have had four incidents of "ethnic intimidation" on my very liberal college campus. One guy threatened to light a girl in fire if she didn't remove her hijab. That will be his legacy.
tblasz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:28:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think I already mentioned my job in a comment from a while ago. I don't even comment often but I assure you I didn't write any others.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him at a club in Indiana where my Aunt worked. I was 10-12 at the time, he was polite and respectful to everyone, and I remember the staff talking about him tipping well.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was a pretty tall building in Indianapolis with a slanted glass ceiling/roof and it was one of those restaurant / club type place for well-to-do people.
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cmmedit ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 00:04:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's see...
In college when The Apprentice was just getting started. I was a producer for a project my comms dept did with the business school. We made a version of the apprentice that took all semester. At our finale, he had a phoned in piece where he congratulated us all on our hard work. Felt like a prepped speech but came off sounding very sincere.
Several years later, I had a chance to work on NBC's The Apprentice when they did the first (only?) in Los Angeles. The set was up at some nice houses on Mulholland Drive. The only real times he was present was on the boardroom days, where someone was fired. I was getting a driveway camera-ready, sweeping, when he walked by with Ivanka. As he walked by, he said "good work" to me.
Does that count?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:58:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
several YEARS later he remembered you from a college project? no shit. hmm. this guy might be a pro at social interaction... which is a good thing. I think Obama was/is pro as fuck at that, and it's done well for us.
I met him in July, so during the race. I'm a cadet in the police academy and we were asked to help with security at one of his events. Afterwards, when the crowd had all been cleared out he came back inside to take photos with all the cadets. He very sincerely thanked us all for pursuing careers in law enforcement and reminded us of how important it is and how it's certainly a difficult time for police. He made us the focus of his talk and didn't say or do anything to even indicate he was running for office. His words were very kind.
Bonus: It was such a great experience working alongside the Secret Service. Each one of them stood in line to shake our hands and wish us luck in our future careers.
So I know I late to this thread but I've met him a few times and it's been nothing but great. I worked at his golf club in NC and he would stop by occasionally to see the club and put in his advice on how he wanted everything to look and whatnot for renovations. The first time I met him was right after we had reopened our golf course. There were probably 20-30 of us on staff and at the end of the night he lined everyone and shook everyone's hand, thanked them for their time, and have us all $100. It was pretty awesome. I worked there for about 10 years and throughout his run for president so it was cool to be at the club as things progressed. My last day was right after he won the Republican nomination and he decided to have a victory luncheon at the club. Security was insane but the Secret Service guys are really nice.
Branical ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:28:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was there any correlation with your last day being the first day he was nominated or just coincidence?
I had found a job at another country club so I made that my last day since it was such an important event. I just didn't want to leave them hanging. That was the only reason.
We were having dinner at Lincoln Square Steak shortly after Trump declared his candidacy. He came in with a large party and were heading to one of the private dining rooms.
It was a total shit storm. NOT his party I might add. What were seemingly refined people eating dinner before his arrival turned into wild jackals fighting for the last piece of their innocent antelope dinner.
People jockeying for position to get their phones up to grab a picture and shouts of Hey Donald, you're hired/fired, they didn't care.
We decided to leave as the whole ambiance was thrown off kilter and not what we usually enjoyed.
My husband somehow got the attention of our waiter and signaled for the check. We weren't paying any particular attention to anyone until someone said "Is the food bad tonight ? Looks like you barely got started". True that, our meals were basically untouched.
Well, it was Donald Trump himself, next to our table as they made their way around the dining room. Long story short, after we assured him that our leaving wasn't actually because of him, hands were shaken, pleasantries exchanged and he took our check from our returning waiter and signed for it himself.
All in all, a very nice and soft spoken man, (Yeah really) even with the chaos surrounding him.
I just don't get seemingly normal people who lose their shit when a "celebrity" is in their midst.
Damn I hate the city.
chintzy ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:19:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't get seemingly normal people who lose their shit when a "celebrity" is in their midst.
Totally agree with you. I've spent some time in a resort town where celebrities live and come stay sometimes and it's always such a huge deal for people "Orlando Bloom is here" etc. I've ran into a couple and sometimes I say hi, like Larry David because I love Curb Your Enthusiasm and we ran into each other walking into the grocery store, or other times I let them eat their dinner in peace. I would never dream of asking for a selfie or something, but I'm an older Millennial so selfies and social media are a little after my time.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:08:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is it really that hard to understand the concept? this person is probably worth 5 times as much as you will in your entire life, and their face is loved and recognized by thousands of people all over the world. obviously people will be intimidated or nervous or excited if that celebrity focuses their attention on them. add to that fact if the person is a huge fan of the celebrity. it's like going to your first concert and realizing "wow this person is actually in this building, alive and breathing and shit".
Maybe I'm not awed by celebrity, as I have met a lot of them. But, they are just people like us in the end.
Donald Trump was obviously a name I knew but really just an ordinary businessman, just like the hundreds other businessmen I've met. Yes, the most successful one I've ever met, I'll give you that.
So ?
I'm supposed to be wowed by his money ? Nope, sorry, I'm just not that materialistic. Am I that rich, no. And that's okay.
I don't need to be. I would never live my life like that and I already have more money than I'll ever use...at my standard of living which is quite comfortable.
To each their own.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the average person has not met any celebrity. the closest i've ever been to meeting a celebrity was going to a concert. even then I couldn't get over the fact that this person was alive in front of me. it has nothing to do with money
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:34:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit please tell me more about LD. I love Curb, I always wonder LD's like in real life.
chintzy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:49:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was skinny and similar to how he is in Curb Your, he kind of made an awkward joke - I was with my girlfriend and we had our friends 9 year old with us, and we were about 20 at the time (this was years ago), and he made a comment about how there's no way that's our kid, haha.
I was like "Hey you're Larry David, we really love Curb Your Enthusiasm" and he was nice and acted like he appreciated us for liking the show. We also didn't bug him for autographs or pictures or anything or take up much of his time which I bet he appreciated.
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Awesome. Shit I know it's annoying as FUCK especially if you are on vacations or your free time but I see Larry David or Jerry Seinfeld I would totally ask them for a picture.
I can already image Larry sayin "Nnhhaa", like in the show haha.
I can't stand when people get crazy over celebrities. I don't even watch TV shows and I couldn't care less about them.
We have the Sundance festivals here in UT every year and they all come. It's quite annoying TBH.
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Myzyri ยท 222 points ยท Posted at 22:20:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father claimed to have met Trump in the mid-to-late 80's. He was at an airport in New York and they had a gift shop. Trump was looking at the books and as my dad passed by, he recommended Stephen King's IT.
Anyway, Trump says thank you and continues browsing. My dad gets his flight provisions and leaves. He's got time to kill, so he gets a coffee and sits down to read the paper. A few minutes later, Trump sits down and says, "I read the back cover. I think this will give me nightmares."
My dad said he and Trump just talked like two guys hanging out. Talked a little about the book, talked about New York, and just random chit chat till my dad had to go.
Dad expected Trump to be kind of an ass, but he said Trump was actually a pretty nice guy. My dad said Trump "seemed lonely" when they talked though.
thwoomp ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 01:41:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad said Trump "seemed lonely" when they talked though.
I could see how he could come across that way. In this thread it seems pretty clear that he is very extroverted and is constantly going out of his way to have these little interactions with strangers, often talking to them for a long time.
When I was in customer service I got the same impression from customers who seemed to really want to talk to employees. I couldn't imagine wanting to tell a clerk my life story, so to me it seemed like they needed someone to talk to and were perhaps a bit lonely. I don't think it's necessarily true(could be for some people), but for those of use who prefer to keep to themselves it can certainly seem that way.
Myzyri ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:57:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in real estate. Like Trump but without the billions of dollars. Lol.
I generally keep to myself when I'm off the clock. I have a very small and select group of friends. But when I'm working, I've got to be extra cheery, high-energy, and always super-positive. If I go to any kind of function, it's the same thing. Upbeat, networking, sell sell sell. So, i think I understand how Trump can enjoy a nice normal conversation with another human being. I know I certainly do at times.
I imagine that it's because when you're that rich and powerful, it's very tough to have regular friends. You're generally friends with people in your social circle, and when those people are celebrities and billionaires, there's only so many of them, and they're almost always too busy to just hang out. Not to mention you can't go anywhere without paparazzi following you or people whipping out their phones to take pictures. Like the saying goes, it's lonely at the top.
soniko_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:52:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a job where i had to travel a lot, and after a while, you know everyone and no one.
Sure, you come back home, but after a while, even home feels weird, you feel this weird disconnection and it feels kinda like familiar, but out of place, not sure how to explain it.
And yes, when you're alone/by yourself and traveling a lot, you end up talking to strangers on hotels, lobbies, elevators, like, whatever.
I think it's human nature.
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Pilot?
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When I was a kid I was friends with a very, I repeat very wealthy kid. We went to the same boxing gym. He was the son of someone very important in California, probably an oil mogul or something.
One day we where invited to a barbecue to celebrate his birthday, and arriving there his dad take us on a tour of the giant house, and introduces us to all the other guests who where his friends.
One of those guests was Mr. Donald Trump.
I shook his hand and he said "Ow, that's a pretty solid handshake." I said thanks and he asked me if I happened to be Samoan, because I was pretty strong for a 14 year old. I said my family was from New Zealand, and thus was of Maori descent. He said "That's nice, I always wanted to go to New Zealand."
Then he told us to study hard and work hard so we all could live in big houses like our hosts when we grew up.
Then he went back to talking to the other people.
EDIT: All you people trying to start shit based on this story. Please stop.
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BigAl265 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:55:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The anti-Trumpers showed up and when they saw all these stories about what a decent guy he is, it triggered them and they had to manufacture some outrage. Pretty pathetic.
Lanko ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So. 3 Questions.
Did you Study hard?
Did you work hard?
Do you own a big house like your host?
Well even if you haven't decided what career path you wanna take, that's no biggie, I myself only figured out I didn't wanna be a lawyer after I was done with lawschool. If you have an interest in administration or economics, you should definetly go for that area Economics in particular would open a wide array of career options for you. From your post I can safely say there is no wrong choice in the direction you are going.
Octavia9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:49:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly! I'm not really that attached to material wealth. I always seen my job was a means to an end, that end being giving to my family what I didn't have growing up, and making sure my wife and future kids don't want for nothing, and everything else after that is a consequence of following that goal, really.
I'd be just as happy in a middle class household with a single car and bills to pay.
Definetly. It helped me know my way around civil regulations, permits, random bureocracy, insurances, what I can and can't do with my business, etc. Tax law has been particularly helpful.
I don't think there's such thing as useless knowledge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations man, did Trump's advice motivate you/influence you at all or were you already committed to success?
Can I shake your hand? I want some of that Donald magic to rub off on me.
TedyCruz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
have you read Rich Dad, Poor Dad?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:34:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Question for you:
Why in the holy hell did you capitalize the word "study?"
Lanko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:42:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I originally wrote it started typing it in a list format that reads as follows.
Did you:
Study hard?
Work Hard?
Own a Big house like your host?
Which makes more sense to have each line capitalized. However, as I was finishing the first item in the list I realized I preferred the repetitive nature of placing "Did you" at the start of every question. So I backtracked and appended the "Did you" to the "Study hard?" line. Then I proceeded to type out the additional lines in that format.
When I modified the structure of that line I failed to notice that the capitalization needed to be modified too.
My bad.
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These are legitimate questions, why does that make me a dick?
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Because legitimate questions and honesty makes you a dick on reddit.
Yeah. He was hardly going to put on a Larry David voice and say, "Meh, never appealed... to much space between things... what if you need to go to a corner shop to get milk, you could walk for days before finding a corner... not for me."
I think that's pretty common among more-or-less-self-made wealthy people (e.g. lawyers, doctors, CEOs), but much less so among people who are wealthy by inheritance? So I'd expect it to be more being busy doing other expensive leisure activities than busy always working, with Trump.
Trump didnt inherit the bulk of his wealth. Whether he had a significant headstart or not (1 million dollar business loan as far as business loans are concerned isnt exactly jaw dropping), he did work for what he has.
jamintime ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:36:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forget all the money stuff, he definitely wasn't born with the fame. He certainly seems like he's worked his ass off to make a name for himself. Work ethic is not what I'm worried about in his Presidency.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:00:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't a million bucks in the 70s worth a lot more?
Also you can be born with a silver spoon even if you don't get an inheritance. His dad was still fucking rich.
N0ahface ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:30:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he was given a small loan of a million dollars, but considering he is worth ~10 billion now that's a 10000x increase.
He inherited at the very least $9million (court records show him borrowing this amount from the trust left to him) and all evidence points towards low estimates of $30m to $100m. This doesn't include his father consigning a $70m loan for him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When his father died he was already super rich though.
He did inherit $300 million from his father after he died. The $1 million loan was to get him started. Also there's the small matter of the $3million in chips his dad bought from a trump casino in trouble. State gambling authorities called it an illegal loan and they got fined.
Imagine lying on the couch and saying "man, I really want a taco", but then not actually getting up and going to Taco Bell even though you can totally afford it because you just can't be bothered, so you spend a couple hours watching Netflix and playing with your phone, and later when you finally get up it's too late and the Taco Bell is closed. In this sense you have failed to get tacos because you were busy doing something else, not because you didn't want them, even though the "something else" was itself a leisure activity that you didn't even really want that much.
In this metaphor, the tacos represent a luxury vacation on the other side of the planet, and the couch is the penthouse of your giant tower. Being rich kicks ass.
you dont make yourself a billionaire by wasting money and traveling all willy nilly
AHrubik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HA! Well let's just say billionaires have enough money that the occasional trip doesn't impact their portfolio in any meaningful way.
MegaAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've known a few people that are retired and they are always busy doing something, traveling or working on the yard and whatnot. But when they where working they always had free time with the kids. It should be the other way around.
When your time is worthless it's easy to plan a trip to New Zealand. You just need to make sure you save up 4x what you make in a week. When you make millions a week and that shit is fluid as fuck its hard to save, let alone step away from managing that.
Sadly he's not even planning on any vacations when he takes office.
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GarrukTak ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:08:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he doesn't really want to go but it's just a nice thing to say when you don't give a fuck about New Zealand.
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New Zealand actually looks really beautiful so it wouldnt surprise me if he actually wanted to go there
TastyFace ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:12:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I've always wanted to" doesn't specify the magnitude of the desire.
I've always wanted to have a job that involves scuba diving, but I have a far greater desire for a good paying job where I can't die in an industrial accident.
Hidesuru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what I'm saying. If you want x for no reason, and you want y for several reasons, and you can only pick one, then the logical choice is y. Someone else mentioned time pressure, which is a perfectly good reason to exclude a desired - but - not - that - desired - option.
Hidesuru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was just meant to be a joke on the "can't die in an industrial accident" part of your post. Sorry if it didn't come across well.
I mean, I'd love to see someone figure out how to kill themselves in my white-collar office by accident. It'd pretty much have to be a really unfortunate fall with a head injury. There's only three workers including the owner, so you'd have a good shot if you stay late on a Friday during the slow season and then cause yourself a brain bleed somehow. But I'm pretty sure you can't kill yourself at my current job unless there's a traffic accident on the way to an offsite client meeting. Or you choke on lunch. I'm not sure either would count as an industrial accident, though.
I know some very wealthy people that will not travel to certain countries because they believe medical facilities and talent aren't able to support their medical conditions.
Example one might not go to South America because his wife has an unusual disease that requires specialized support.
New Zealand's super secret patent pending Billionaire-Away Energy Shield. It protects the country from any billionaires, no matter how fancy their private jets are. This is completely true 100% please believe me.
The alternative would be for him to brag about having already gone and all the cool places he bought when he went there. It's actually a decent show of character for someone of his status.
What the hell am I doing in this thread defending Trump... Out I go.
Because there is no money in our golf courses. Most of them you can just rock up to, pay $20 ($50 including club hire) and they're pretty good and well maintained.
There are a few fancy expensive ones that are more about being seen in the clubhouse than the actual golf, but yeah.
Bugsmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called small talk
Glicked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the same reason you always wanna go to that new local fast food restaurant but it's weird and doesn't have a drive-through. So you always say you will go, but then you don't because you're too lazy to park and go inside. Next thing you know, a kid tells you his family owns it and you want to make the kid feel good. Therefore, you lie and tell the little tike you love that restaurant. Best in town!!
nadroj19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same reason why a lot of people don't do a lot of things, probably just never got around to it. Obviously money wouldn't be a constraint for him but there are plenty of other reasons why he couldn't make it to one particular county I'm sure.
You could technically go yourself, if you chose to save your money to do it.
I mean who wouldn't want to go?
It's pretty.
npepin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There could be many reasons, but a very simple answer is that Donald Trump was doing basic smalltalk. People sometimes will try to be polite by speaking positively of where someone comes from.
George: Where do you come from?
Tom: Tampa.
George: Really?! I've heard it is so nice there. I've always wanted to visit.
George probably doesn't actually want to visit there, but is making polite conversation. The places George says he wants to go are simply places that he wouldn't mind visiting if he had unlimited time and resources.
Now if this conversation happens
George: Where do you come from?
Tom: Somalia.
George: I never would have guessed.
Notice that in this example George doesn't express any desire to go to Somalia because by doing so it won't give Tom any chance to talk about how nice it is. Instead, it will likely force Tom into saying how George doesn't actually want to go there and them Tom will be in a position to list off the reasons why where he comes from isn't really the best place.
The places George doesn't really comment on are simply places that he wouldn't visit even if he had unlimited time and resources.
ericrs22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle-Earth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's in his mid 70's and just worked more this year than you will ever in 2 years combined. You don't get rich by being lazy and checking off your bucket list.
Depending on when this story took place, it could be false.
Donald Trump has been to New Zealand before, he wanted to open a casino in conjunction with one of the Maori tribes. I've seen the footage of him arriving here and an interview with one of our few TV channels.
Keep in mind this is when op was a kid which could be any kind of time ago. Trump has probably been there and back hundred of times now. Also Who's to say it wasn't just small talk he had with op and he's not really all that interested in going to New Zealand.
Maybe he has been to New Zealand, but since the kid was a kid he wanted to make the kid feel like he was from a special place that other people would like to see.
I mean, he could have said, "Oh yeah, I've been there, I saw a lot of sheep." He could've said that. Instead, he suggested to OP that New Zealand is a cool place worth visiting. It's just small talk, don't think too hard about it. Wealthy people are good at inoffensive small talk. It's a great way to open up opportunities.
Ok, OK. life long Dem here. Left of most Dems. Wishing the world could be as civilized as some of those northern EU countries. But, the media jumped only the Hillary wagon and never looked back. And Hillary ended up as the 'empress with no clothes'. Rich people on have one vote. Regardless, he isn't qualified for POTUS. And now the country has to go through the DTs barring an electorial college miracle, or heart attack.
edit: a word because of mulit tasking
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kalpol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a joke. Don't be so sensitive. I am liberal yes because I think change is good. Trump will not be bad for most things from my perspective. But he is a step backwards when it comes to health care, civil rights and the environment. Which kinda sucks, but we will see how things play out.
His comment about how big his hands and you know what was so hilarious it will not die easily.
VriskyS ยท 1029 points ยท Posted at 18:29:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not gonna lie, I feel like he might actually be a pretty good president with his sudden shift in ideals. I can understand a lot of his ideas, but the way he presents them, along with lack of a political background, looks pretty bad...
blalien ยท 1780 points ยท Posted at 19:06:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I had some secret hope that when Trump took office it would turn out he was actually a very reasonable guy. Those hopes vanished when he hired Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.
EDIT 2: Guys, just saying that the NY Times is biased is not going to convince anybody of anything. The NY Times is a respected publication that does not let their personal opinion get in the way of facts. And the article I linked? It's literally just a list of things Bannon has said and that Breitbart has said under Bannon's leadership. Either rebut the content of the article or admit that you have nothing.
Yeah I was never particularly optimistic about the Trump Presidency, but I understood why others might be, but the Bannon pick has killed that. You can't have a guy like that in the White House, period.
For those out of the loop, who is Steve Bannon and why does it matter?
jman12234 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 21:09:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Bannon was the ceo of Breitbart news and a prominent supporter of alt-right politics. He's not a very nice guy.
You can really just google all the things he said, but there's been some pretty misogynystic and antisemitic things. He's been appointed as the chief advisor to Trump.
You can really just google all the things he said, but there's been some pretty misogynystic and antisemitic things.
I've tried this but I can't find anything anywhere, just people saying he's a bad guy and no examples why.
bbctol ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 22:30:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So: this is definitely a complicated situation, and there are a lot of people immediately throwing around labels like "anti-semite" and "white supremacist" that there isn't much hard evidence for. The modern white nationalist movement is complex, and Bannon is good at plausible deniability and not saying much about his positions. Here's why I'm deeply concerned:
He has said that Breitbart under his leadership was a "platform for the alt-right." "Alt-right" is a hard movement to define, but it definitely seems fair to use the description published on Breitbart. This portrays them in as positive a light as you'll ever see, and still acknowledges that the term was coined by open white nationalist Richard B. Spencer, that they believe "culture is inseparable from race," that they want to "build homogeneous communities," and that they are against immigration, even legal immigration which improves the economy, to preserve their "own tribe and its culture." Stephen Bannon says very little publicly, but if we can infer his views from his actions: he controls a website, he claims the website is a platform for the alt-right, and the website defines the alt-right under clearly racial nationalist terms. You won't find any one quote from Bannon where he says he's a white nationalist, but in that context, it really isn't a stretch; see this interview with Trump, where in response to Trump's claim that a lot of smart immigrants are good for the country, he says โwhen two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think .โ.โ. โ then trails off, and switches to โA country is more than an economy. Weโre a civic society.โ Which is a very clear echo of the definition of alt-right published on his website, that a country is more than an economy, it must be a unified race and culture.
You don't have to take it from me, either: there are plenty of former Breitbart staffers from before Bannon's takeover who understand that he's a propagandist for racist causes. These are not politically correct, far-left people; Breitbart was always an inflammatory publication. Former writer Ben Shapiro wrote in the decidedly conservative Daily Wire that "under Bannonโs leadership, Breitbart openly embraced the white supremacist alt-right," while former spokesman Kurt Bardella has said Breitbart is no better than state-run propaganda and "everyone should be terrified" of Bannon in the White House, and other staffers are leaving with similar concerns. There's a difference between being politically incorrect and being manipulative, propagandist, and covertly racist, and a lot of politically incorrect people believe Bannon is the latter.
Well, shit. That convinced me. If he's openly stating that his publication is tied to something that that website also says is linked to negative race and identity politics, he definitely doesn't seem like someone I want in or close to a position of power.
Thank you for putting the time into writing all of this out.
bbctol ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:50:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to read it. I think this is an issue it's essential to get correct now, and I believe the Republicans are trying to distract people into focusing on specific terms to avoid seeing the bigger picture. There isn't a ton of evidence that Bannon is a fierce anti-semite, and I'm worried that focusing entirely on that term is a trap. Let me know if you'd like the raw text to paste, or a link to a version of the post on Medium; there's a lot of misinformation flying around, and I really think an accurate argument should be spread as widely as possible.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every day I wake up to listen to last night's news and this morning's podcasts, and I cringe every time the journalists just let the Bannon thing slide. They state that "some people" are saying he might be racist, and someone chimes in they they've talked to people that know Bannon personally, and they think he's a nice guy.
Well, yeah, people that voluntarily spend time around someone usually do think they are a nice guy. Heck, the best source we have for Bannon not being a racist himself is a Hasidic Jew who says he never had a problem with Bannon over religion, but that the guy was still a grade A prick. People also point out him hiring a gay conservative, but that always seems like they're changing the topic, since last I checked who you have sex with has nothing to do with your race.
All these things. What's even more concerning is that his vision for what America should be like is crystal clear. Moreso than any Presidential nominee over the election cylce, he brings focus to the issues that ail America with a clarity and conciseness that I didn't see from any of the presidential candidates. Check out these two videos from 2011 and 2016.
So he's a ringer - that's all well and good. But the combination of such strong political will with this strategy of stirring anger through white nationalism is daunting. He understands the problem but he sees agitation and terrible times ahead as the only solution.
I'm curious to whether there had been a "solution" in history that did not involve "terrible times" actually. I was somehow convinced that people find comfort in adhering to what's familiar, thus reluctant to reform?
Well, that. But I meant along the lines of revolution? They've always turned out for the better, it would seem. Our grandparents had to endure a lot but we, their descendants, can enjoy it.
Sure. But is a revolution that seeks to further marginalize already at-risk groups one worth fighting? When the Muslims are all registered; Latino communities traumatized; and black people's place is where it was 60 years ago, whose America will it be?
To be honest, you can also find an article on Breitbart to counter every one of the claims about Bannon, but since he's the CEO (and because the writing quality at that site is shit) take that with a grain of salt. Salon has an article that highlights things they disagree with, but objectively, those articles they mention might be in bad taste, but don't necessarily stack up to anti-Semitism. Through of course, other have different opinions. Breitbart also gets some flack from certain gay groups because of Milo Yoeverybodymynamesreallygreek and the things he writes for them. I don't think he's a great writer (at fucking all), but I'm not about to "boy" a gay guy and call him homophobic just because his views aren't mainstream. His views are a little too close to the party line for me to act like he's not a full of shit salesman though. But that's just my opinion, you may have a different one.
My problem with Bannon was hearing Trump and conservatives rant on how "biased" the liberal media is and then when the man gets elected, he appoints the CEO of an incredibly biased media source as his top advisor, while the whole time also having had Roger Ailes (founder of foxnews recently fired for grabbing pussies that didn't want to be grabbed) as one of his campaign advisors. It was all such utter horseshit and then he proves it by putting biased media in a top position in govt.
Bannon was also quoted in his divorce proceedings as saying something about his daughter's school having too many Jews and that's reason he didn't want her to go there. The anti-Semitism is what people will rail on, really. The Anti-Defamation League called Bannon an anti-Semite, but a prominent Jewish group took up for him. Though, that might be about politics since the Republicans have traditionally been very pro-Israel and that is one of the big concerns for that group, so who knows? I think it's fucking infuriating that he complained about the biased media while literally employing the biased media. The only difference of course being that one was biased toward him. But who knows what the man actually feels in his heart. We'll have to wait and see. I can't imagine he'll do anything bad to Jews domestically and I can't see a republican president messing with Israel, but I couldn't imagine an obnoxious Yankee sweeping the South, so maybe my imagination is just shit.
Thank you for giving a detailed answer instead of just saying "He hasn't done anything wrong" or "He's done bad stuff. Look it up." I really appreciate that.
I can agree that his appointment is hypocritical. Bias is bias, no matter where it's from but I honestly think he was chosen because Trump knew he had lost the liberal vote and he knew this guy knew how to attract the attention of the people he wanted to vote. I don't think his bias alone means we should suddenly be pessimistic about how he's going to do his job as a counselor. That honestly just seems like "repayment" for getting Trump elected than anything else. I think we should still wait and see how everything plays out before we start decrying the man.
If Hillary Clinton had hired John Stewart (and let's assume he was still doing the daily show to make this metaphor better) as a campaign advisor and then after she got elected with his help, gave him a position in his cabinet, what would you think of that? I don't mean that to be a rhetorical question. Personally, I think it would piss me off becasue as you said, bias is bias and media personalities shouldn't be considered qualified as politicians. Owners of multiple mainstream media outlets may have donated to Clinton, but she wasn't going to give the CEO of CNN a cabinet position. It's one thing when the media is biased, it's a completely different issue when the media actually has power in government. But as you said, if the man does a good job, then the man does a good job. I think his appointment encapsulates many of the things that I don't like about trump as a politician, but we'll see. None of us can see the future.
John Stewart might be a bad choice because we have decades of interviews with him that show that he's a good person who genuinely cares about the country but I'll pretend it's just someone like Bannon on the other side of the politcal spectrum and I think I'd feel the same way. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt to see how well they do before we blame their political beliefs for their poor job.
That's fair, and I don't disagree with that sentiment, but that's not what im asking really. I'm asking you if a news anchor (and a fake news anchor at that) should be qualified to hold public office. To me, you shouldn't use a place in the media to put yourself in politics. The way I feel the media's relationship with Americans should be would make that sort of thing like a teacher fucking their student.
But I'm also ok reassessing my values when a new situation or new information comes along. If he's a good man for the job, then maybe I'm wrong. I just don't think he's good for the job and then on top that I think what I do about the media. So yeah, Stewart was a bad example in that way.
The follow-up issue to that is that Donald Trump campaigned on making real, positive change in Washington. His cabinet isn't displaying that ideal which he campaigned on, nor does any change that will come about look positive at this point.
Stennick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't vote for Donald at any stage of the process and never supported him from the onset. In fact even before this I never cared for Donald. That being said I don't understand why everyone is already concluding how horrible he will be. Shouldn't we atleast wait until he's actually in office and actually does something bad before we start bitching? I didn't pay attention to the net at the time but if everone was bitching about Obama's appointiees for any reason before he ever got in there I would have been upset. I supported him and would have wanted him to get a fair shot. Yet everyone feels compelled to crucify Donald before he's ever had the chance to do anything. Is there no such thing as a wait and see approach anymore? Things look bad so that means they WILL be bad?
I was open to a wait-and-see approach, but his transitional cabinet member choices are him taking action as President, whether you like to see it that way or not. Those people will define what action he takes in those sectors, and the choices he has made are concerning. There are many articles that will inform you about the individuals he has chosen for those positions and their background if you care to look. I couldn't vote when Obama was first elected and was not terribly politically conscious because of that, but I would consider his cabinet appointees to be indicative of where he intends to go on those issues, as I do for Trump here.
Stennick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats fine that you see it as him taking action but those appointees haven't DONE anything yet. There is no indication how much or how little impact they will have or what they will do in those roles. You can speculate and even if you don't like these people its not out of the realm of chance they do something differently in their new role.
I will take the wait and see approach. When he is in office when these people that are evil are taking our abortions and gay rights away or whatever else they are supposed to be doing. When those things happen I'll gladly stand up and say "Trump is fucking horrible". However to me so far this is zero difference to "Obama is going to make the US muslim" or "he's taking our guns away" or whatever other non sense. Its all silly hand ringing until they get into office. You can certainly not like his appointments and you can certainly think they aren't good people however to already declare things as bad before anything has changed seems silly to me. Thats exactly what they did with Obama. He's taking our guns, he's a socialist, he's going to make us Muslim, he hates our police whatever other non sense was out there. You might think your claims are more valid than theirs just as they think their claims are more valid than yours.
Thats why I'll wait and see just like I waited to see if he'll take our guns away or if we would all be forced to be Muslim. I'll wait and see what he does with Roe vs. Wade or Gay Marriage or Foreign relations. And when actions take place that aren't good I'll stand up and speak my mine. However I won't sit here and start deciding exactly how the next four years will play out before he's ever sworn into office. If I remember correctly there were quite a few people the right didn't like in Obama's camp and they too said that this was indications of rights violations and other matters that would happen....that never happened.
Rogscope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you were to take a bet... would you take that bet? I wouldn't. Because expecting a person to do a 180 on their beliefs and ideas is fucking crazy and you have to be an idiot to believe them.
Well that is quite different, because Obama is not Muslim, nor did he campaign on taking everyone's guns away or appoint someone who had previously been employed in a capacity which sought to end the Second Amendment. Accordingly, your comparison is not apt at all.
On the other hand, Trump has appointed a climate change denier to head his Environmental arm. He is the head of an organization that specializes in denying climate change. To expect him to suddenly have a change of heart as part of the cabinet is delusional, in my opinion. Past conduct is evidence of future conduct in many instances, and I consider that to be one of those instances. His immigration head is a person who wrote legislation that was found unconstitutional in several states. Do you think he will have a change of heart? There is being hopeful, and there is being willfully blind. I hope all of these individuals see the light, so to speak, but considering they have spent their careers fighting towards these goals, it would be incredibly odd for them to have a complete shift now that they are in government and best able to effect the change that they have made their life's work.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, Trump has appointed a climate change denier to head his Environmental arm. He is the head of an organization that specializes in denying climate change. To expect him to suddenly have a change of heart as part of the cabinet is delusional, in my opinion.
A common negotiating tactic is to ask for the impossible, and then draw down from there. If he's appointing the absurd, he may be shifting the rhetoric and argument, such that when the inevitable pushback happens, practically ANYONE ELSE looks reasonable.
There will be a LOT of turnover in this presidency, if I were to bet.
Id bet you're entirely right. Trumps a business man, he's playing the game as he has for years. Start high, meet in the middle. He's making a deal essentially and he knows it.
There will be a LOT of turnover in this presidency, if I were to bet.
Stennick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So a few things. Do we have any other choice but to be aware and yet patient with this process? Until one of these guys actually DOES something unconstitutional or whatever the major gripe would be we have no choice but to wait. Declaring this a lost Presidency, or Trump to be a horrible leader or whatever else based on the men he's hired previous actions is some Minority Report stuff. If I speed on local roads and get busted, if I then speed on high ways and get busted that doesn't mean I can get busted on the interstate before I start speeding. Just as I waited for Obama to be a socialist or make us all Muslim or take away our guns. Its not always about what they campaign on. In fact Obama had a few people he involved himself with that weren't nice people. Some were even cabinet members hell look no further than Clinton who was involved in just as many scandals even scandals against Obama (helping along the birther movement among others). Yet it would have been wrong to declare him a liar about change while including her in his cabinet before he took office.
The second thing here is that unless I'm missing something these men support the same views Trump campaigned on. Overturning Roe vs. Wade, cracking down on immigration by any means possible, he denied climate change and even placed blame on vaccines for a number of issues. So if he's putting men in his cabinent that support these views isn't that what he's supposed to be doing? Was he supposed to "drain the swamp"? Sure I guess. However maybe he feels like he is. Maybe he feels like the people in there now don't support his views or didn't get his views done so he's going to get rid of them and replace them with "his guys" who will support what he campaigned and elected on.
I don't think I said that I consider this "a lost Presidency" or anything of that sort. And again, your Obama comparison fails as he campaigned on NONE OF THOSE THINGS. This isn't some conspiracy, unproven BS, these are factual statements about his positions and his appointees that cause me concern. I believe these 4 years can be positive, and i hope they are. However, I am going to be realistic with how reality looks now, and it isn't good.
Also, as to Clinton, I'm not sure what views she represented that concerned you at that time, but I am open to hearing them.
Stennick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was never saying that you specifically said this but its certainly the majority sentiment around here. Again though Trump did campaign on issues that are similar to those of his cabinet. Most of the issues like climate change denial, like overturning Roe vs. Wade and like other issues. They were all issues he campaigned for and he was elected. So how is it wrong of him to appoint people that support and would grow the issues he campaigned on? The only big things I've heard is that he MIGHT a huge might keep parts of Obamacare and that he's not "draining the swamp". However by and large the people he's appointing are the exact kind of views he campaigned and won on so I'm confused was he supposed to put people in there that didn't reflect the views he had and campaigned for?
As for Hillary. Obama campaigned on Hope and Change. Essentially Obama had the same campaign as both Trump and Sanders as far as message goes. Going to Washington as an outsider and changing the way this country works from the inside out. He then appoints Clinton. Who couldn't be more "establishment" not that I think that was much of a term back then.
As far as other reasons I didn't like the Clinton appointment some of which had to do with Bill which whether she likes it or not is certainly tied to. The IRS scandal where it just happened Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Bill O'Reilly, Juanita Broaddrick and others were all audited by the IRS during his stay in the White House. Then of course there was the fact that she said that women claiming to be sexually harassed by Bill were all part of a political scheme. Then there was the looting of the White House with hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage. Renting out the Lincoln Bedroom among other things they did for fundraising. These were just some of my concerns. Calling what was it black men "super predators" was another. She was a less than honest person, she was at the very least a scandalous person and supposed to be exactly what Obama wanted to get away FROM not select for one of the highest seats in his administration.
First, my complaint of his policy positions, of which I know I disagree with, is separate from him not keeping his promise of "draining the swamp." I think that at this point we have gotten a bit convoluted. My opinions are (1) his policy positions he campaigned upon are regressive and damaging to our country and its future and (2) his promise to not act as a Washington Insider President has been broken.
Second, Obama did not campaign as an outsider, I think your memory here is faulty. He was a senator before being President. He was no stranger to Washington nor did I see his campaign as focusing on being an "outsider" as you put it. I think he campaigned on bringing change through the normal processes in Washington.
In this final point I feel we are again lost. Clinton (or her husband's) indiscretions are entirely separate from her policy positions. I don't care if Donald's head of Immigration or EPA kicked their dog, beat their wife, etc. that isn't informing my view at this point. What I am focused on is what they stand for policy-wise and that is what represents what they will do in their administrative capacity. You failed to cite any policy position of Clinton's that concerned you.
This is how things have been at least as far back as 2000.
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Earlier, actually, as a concerted policy started by Newt Gingrich (that spectacularly blew up in his face).
Politics used to be about insulting your opponent while simultaneously saying good things about him. The old "the distinguished gentleman from" and "my old friend so-and-so" were used when having a open disagreement with the other side.
...and now Gingrich is back front and center as one of Trump's top staff.
I think his appointments absolutely reflect the kind of change he was going for. From what I've heard, he's assigning people who are on the "crazy" end of conservative, including a man who also hasn't held any political office and is only known for being a good surgeon and being kind of insane with his beliefs.
On the other hand, he also appointed the head of the RNC and is considering career politicians, neither of which quite match up with his whole ideal of "draining the swamp."
It's confusing.. Trump's first appointment is a man whose mission in life is to tear down the establishment (Bannon), a political hitman if you will, but simultaneously he appoints the establishment chair of the RNC and Pence as VP. It's a managerial style. You sure as hell don't want to create an echo chamber of yes-men as POTUS. You want a chamber where one advisor will disagree with the other one on a consistent basis.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The surgeon politely declined by saying he didn't have the qualifications to serve in the position offered to him.
I think his extreme bias is exactly why he shouldn't be an advisor.
DrenDran ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:32:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump and conservatives rant on how "biased" the liberal media is and then when the man gets elected, he appoints the CEO of an incredibly biased media source as his top advisor
Perhaps it's one thing for CNN to claim to be balanced and be a major news network and another thing to have a minor news site that never claimed to be neutral to have a bias.
CNN's biggest problem to me is how they rely so much on pundits and their commentary rather than reporting the news. And even that can work, but it seems every pundit is either a member of one of the major parties or someone hawking a partisan book or show. CNN is a whore to me. Whores are biased towards eyeballs. Also, not everything is "breaking news." They've completely ruined that phrase for me. CNN also has demographic problems. They can't get the old folks market and they can't quite get the liberal or conservative market, so they just go for the twitter market. But the youth doesn't watch cable so they end up getting middle-aged people on treadmills or electronics stores as a viewership. In other words, I don't think CNN is as biased as a lot of people claim, but I also don't think they're worth much of a damn. I don't mind ABC and NBC as much, though they aren't exactly breaking ground.
I wouldn't call Breitbart small though. However, that can be debated. It's the principle that bothers me most. It wasn't that he hated biased media. He hated biased media against him. He has no problem with bullshit if it caters to him. That's the part that bothers me.
I withdrew my daughters from a private school because everyone was white, middle class, conservative and Christian. We happen to be all of those things, but I didn't want my children growing up thinking that the world is white. And middle class. And conservative. And Christian. It doesn't mean that I am anti any of these things. It just means that I want them to have diversity and be tolerant and loving towards people who aren't exactly like them.
Tbh the whole biased shit really gets to me. In his perspective, it's the MSM as a whole. Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS the whole lot of them are in cahoots together. (I say fox because although they're not "as biased to Dems" I think they're controlled opposition.) He may think he has to combat that. It turns into MSM vs alt media, which this election cycle turned into D vs R and leaves us where we are.
I get what you're saying, but breitbart isn't some nobody. It's not "alternative." It's foxnews for millenials with just enough contrarianism conspiracy theories thrown in to sate the snowflake crowd. But even if I agreed with e content of their articles, it's still subpar blogging and the only reason it gets the attention it does is becasue it slings a bunch of bullshit. It's like salon, except at least salon hires biased writers instead of biased entrepreneurs.
I think the mainstream media was much more important and less "biased" (as someone who grew up in a foxnews household, I don't know how you can act like Fox is in the same league as the others when it comes to bias, but that's not what this discussion is about) before the Internet. The rise of internet media meant smaller, more selective viewerships for online outlets than existed for print of television outlets. It didn't make sense to cast a wide net anymore because your readership was so small. So you just do the stories your commenters want to hear instead of doing actual news. In the beginning, it didn't matter, it was small potatoes compared to the MSM. But once the internet media became much easier to monetize, sites like that started popping up everywhere. We already had the mainstream media, so the internet was for more personal media. But now that personally tailored media is mainstream and all the news networks have to struggle to keep up. Personally, what the entire media debate says to me is that people don't like to be challenged; they like to be safe and agreed with, no matter what side they're on.
Personally, what the entire media debate says to me is that people don't like to be challenged; they like to be safe and agreed with, no matter what side they're on.
I agree with this. People go out of their way to find evidence and sources that would support their claims; practicing selective hearing, reading and the sort.
It does bother me how most people dont catch on though. I've noticed that the thought is still subconscious to the general public, which may be why most misinformation still occurs, despite the ease and availability in gaining information nowadays.
I like the view you have on media evolution. But when I reference MSM I guess I'm generally talking about "established" brands along with broadcast/TV channels. The centralization of these sources of media through acquisitions by a few wealthy investors probably played more into where we are verses the online landscape. This is in effect with multiple laws changed under Clinton and Obama about the media. (I'm sorry vague and general, don't want to work this hard after work)
Tbh it's just very complicated and tough to point to what went wrong. But the fact of the matter is it's us versus them all over the place. The media is the largest proponent of this.
The word you're looking for is conglomeration and it's the same reason we have so many sequels, remakes and movies based off of books nowadays. However, conglomeration was allowed to take place because of the free market and the global marketplace.
One of the driving forces of the recent polarization of news (and curiously this coincides with the rise of foxnews) was the 1996 Telecommunications act which allowed media cross-ownership and the simultaneous ownership of similar media in different markets. As someone who works in movies, it's something I'm concerned about too. That being said, this act is the reason conservative talk radio dominates the way it does and it's the reason that "Hollywood elites" are unabashedly being liberal. There used to actually be "equal time" requirements for the first 50 years of American mass media and in that environment, this media polarization would not have been allowed. (There were always biased newsletters like commie papers or Klan rags, but they were not exactly mainstream; well, maybe the klan rags in a few areas, but it wasn't on tv or radio).
So we agree about conglomeration being scary, but I disagree that this polarization has equally affected both sides. FoxNews owes everything to this act and so does Rush Limbaugh (he worked before, but his popularity coincided with this act and his general dissent against Clinton. I mean, for gods sake, the republicans made him an honorary member in the republican caucus).
I also feel it is worth mentioning that although Bill Clinton signed this into law, it was proposed and passed by a republican majority in both houses and Bill Clinton wasn't a fucking coward and would actually work with the other side instead of acting like pouting kindergarteners. Sorry, that last bit wasn't necessary. I'm a bitter former republican, so I just have a few issues to work out with the current regime.
Honestly though, I don't know if this all the medias fault. Blaming the media is like blaming god. Ultimately, it's the people who let this happen to themselves. But, to be fair, what are we supposed to do?
Sooo basically he isn't anything that everyone is attempting to label him as, but he runs a biased news outlet?
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like, tried really hard (and kinda succeeded) into making his biased news outlet a home and refuge for racists, but probably only because he saw a niche market that would give him easy money and fame.
Just a point about the ADL: they stated that they're actually not aware of any anti-semite statements by Bannon, but rather that Breitbart enables anti-semitism through alt-right articles.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:21:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But who knows what the man actually feels in his heart. We'll have to wait and see. I can't imagine he'll do anything bad to Jews domestically and I can't see a republican president messing with Israel, but I couldn't imagine an obnoxious Yankee sweeping the South, so maybe my imagination is just shit.
His daughter converted to Judaism, and his grandkids (from her) are being raised as Jewish.
I think there are a LOT of things you can call Donald, but antisemitic is not one of them, and I SERIOUSLY doubt he'd work with someone who was seriously, malignantly antisemitic for very long.
I'm not happy about Bannon, though, for all of the reasons most folks have stated, and I'm concerned that Donald is not as engaged in the vetting of cabinet as he should be. I think his idea is to hire first, then fire based on performance (yes, I understand there's an Apprentice joke here). Truth told- that might not be such a bad idea. In this case, it satisfies up front a lot of the far-right people, in that he's hiring folks from their sphere, and then is relatively blameless when they flame out. Donald can then learn from that experience and actually take a bit of time to look at the "biggest fires" and hire people whom are subject matter experts in those areas.
This presidency will be run like any major corporation, for better and for worse.
You know, personally, I've never seen Trump as a true racist like people love labeling him, just an old dude who likes to work the crowd and doesn't care about anyone who's not in the crowd at that moment. He also seems to me like the rich guy who goes down to hangout with the construction crew so he can role play like he's "one of the guys" and in that way I do think he sort of cares for the working class. Whether I think his policies will help them is another issue, but I don't think he's completely disingenuous, just inexperienced and out of his depth. I grew up in Klan country, so I feel I know the difference between casual racists who just want to be cool and belong by making fun of people and people who have real ignorant hate in them. In the voting booth, there might not be a difference between the two, but in their hearts, their definitely is. Trump has never seemed like that to me. However, he's obviously not above appealing to that crowd and the way he speaks makes me think he's not much of a thinker and doesn't really care about how he selects words. He's much more of a standup comedian than a leader. And that would be fine(ish) if I liked the people that he surrounded himself with, but...you know.
I hope you're right though. I don't see anything as guaranteed in a Trump presidency and inevitably I think his time in office will make the country swing more culturally liberal like Bush's administration did for a bit. Americans like to feel special and what makes you more special than disagreeing with the guy in power?
Curious why you think the Jew comment regarding his daughters school is such a horrible thing. People have the right to make choices like that if they feel a particular culture or personality type that's stereotypical of a certain group of people might not be the best influence for their child.
I mean where I live there is a huge population of Hindu/Indian people, I'd probably not want to send my child to a school that's 85% Hindu/Indian either, not because I'm necessarily outwardly racist but because I just wouldn't want my child to be influenced by cultural values that I'm not interested in or that I don't see serving a purpose for my child in a broad or generalized way. Would I care if my child had a sample of those cultural values? Of course not, but I wouldn't want it to be predominant.
That's an interesting question. I would say that I believe in the free market, but not just economically, socially and culturally. If you send your child to school and she becomes more influenced by Indian culture or black culture or Hispanic culture, then that's on you. Your daughter shouldn't have to be shielded from these influences. In my head, if you raised her right, with proper pride in herself and her culture, then you have nothing to worry about. However, if you didn't and she knows nothing of the culture you are trying to impart because you did a bad job teaching her, then the free market will come in and she will find a culture that suits her better. And also, your daughter is an American. She deserves to think whatever she wants.
In the end, your sentiment seems very lazy to me. If the values you want to impart are worth a damn and you did a good job teaching them, they will win out in your children's hearts. If not, they won't.
At least, that's how I feel. I don't have children though, so I'm working from an idealistic point of view that parents might see as naive.
Bonalt ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:57:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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You won't find any. Its just part of the 'Breitbart = ebil republican media' garbage that the media wants to push now.
RemyJe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:32:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You can't...you...how?
Incognito Chrome (to eliminate my previous search habits) and at google.com, start typing "steve bannon" and it wants to autocomplete "steve bannon quotes". So choose that one, and it's pretty damn easy to find something everywhere, rather than anything [nothing] anywhere.
Or knowing that you're looking for someone who may or may not be controversial (and may or may not be implies is, so let's just say is) search for "steve bannon controversial" and see a bunch more.
I just....I don't understand sometimes.
damendred ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:58:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I searched steve bannon and in the first few results got this:
"Thatโs why there are some unintended consequences of the womenโs liberation movement,โ he said, according to BuzzFeed. โThat, in fact, the women that would lead this country would be pro-family, they would have husbands, they would love their children. They wouldnโt be a bunch of dykes that came from the Seven Sisters schools up in New England. That drives the left insane and thatโs why they hate these women"
Some of the other ones I didn't find so bad, like he used a bad word, or something. But he runs a very bias website that's based on fear based propaganda. Not really someone you'd wanting to help running your country.
It also just is the sort smacks of the backroom deals Trump rallied against, 'help me get elected and I'll get you a sweet appointment'.
RemyJe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I agree. I think it's ridiculous and agree that he shouldn't even be considered. It's ironic too, because outside of the news industry, his educational and military background seems perfectly appropriate for working in Government.
"He graduated from Virginia Tech in 1976 and holds a master's degree in National Security Studies from Georgetown University. In 1983, Bannon received an M.B.A. degree with honors from Harvard Business School.[9]
Bannon was an officer in the United States Navy, serving on the destroyer USS Paul F. Foster as a Surface Warfare Officer in the Pacific Fleet and stateside as a special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations at the Pentagon." - Wikipedia
tabber87 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:39:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Odd that you typed all that and didn't copy and paste one of those horrifically offensive quotes...
I don't love the way he used the term "dykes" here, or plays up a stereotype of feminism, or calling a woman a "bimbo." He also belittled the Occupy Wall Street movement as a bunch of greasy, dirty people. However you feel about that movement, I don't think that is a fair way to handle political discourse.
Last time I asked someone linked to an article that said his ex wife said during divorce proceedings that he said some things about not liking how jews raise their children while searching for a private school.
I genuinely want to know what is so bad about the guy (which is why I asked) but I honestly can't find anything.
I saw the quote you were talking about and, yeah, that was the ex-wife of a millionaire trying to discredit him. It's not like she didn't have any motive. It's also worth noting that she said he didn't want his kids going to the school because of the Jewish kids that went but his kids did go to the school after all.
Please reconcile the decision to publicize these with someone who is a good person. Or even a mediocre person.
Honestly? It sounds like he knows how to get the audience he's going for and nothing more than that. The only one I find concerning about that is the "Renegade Jew" headline since I personally find people who are too aware of people being Jewish to be concerning but since it was written by someone who is themselves Jewish, I could see how it was okayed.
I just don't feel it's right to denounce someone because of something their business does that they didn't personally do. His publication exists to make him as much money as possible. It's not necessarily a reflection of him as a person or how well he would do as Counselor. For all we know, he has a policy of not interfering with what his journalists write and giving them free reign over their content.
TBF, I read the article, and it doesn't seem to really be antisemitic. Here's the part of the article mentioning Jews:
I am a Jew who has never been to Israel and has never been a Zionist in the sense of believing that Jews can rid themselves of Jew hatred by having their own nation state. But half of world Jewry now lives in Israel, and the enemies whom Obama and Hillary have empowered โ Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, ISIS, and Hamas โ have openly sworn to exterminate the Jews. I am also an American (and an American first), whose country is threatened with destruction by the same enemies. To weaken the only party that stands between the Jews and their annihilation, and between America and the forces intent on destroying her, is a political miscalculation so great and a betrayal so profound as to not be easily forgiven.
It's incomprehensible alt-right bullshit, but it doesn't seem to be antisemitic bullshit. I think what he's trying to say is something along the lines of Kristol being a traitor to the Jews.
tabber87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally. Hitler.
effedup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, big fucking deal.
RemyJe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was not my intent. I equated "couldn't find anything anywhere" with "I tried talking to my mouse like Scotty in Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home and I couldn't find any Bannon quotes."
I thought he either didn't try at all, or he's an idiot.
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a concern troll, feeding other trolls that suddenly come out of the woodworks dismissing the whole thing by badly mis-remembering things "things they heard people say" about Bannon, acting like that's all there is to it, and easily countering it. AKA, how "liberal" guests act of Fox News entertainment segments.
He taught you how to fish and you still want him to give you the fish he caught. Scummy.
tabber87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering he told the guy to fish, and the guy said he knows how to fish but he's not catching any fish, isn't it more logical to give the guy a fish rather than provide a tutorial on how to fish?
I think the misunderstanding is that the first guy knows how to fish. When you type in "Steve Bannon Quotes" you can see about 10 articles off the bat that list the shit he's said. If he really did type that in and had no results pop up, he should have done what remyje told him to do and open incognito because his search habits are not showing them.
Just did that. Read quotes from four articles. Can't really see anything too bad. What are some things he's said that you think make him a bad person? It seems to me that he just has an aggressive way of speaking on some occassions but his actual beliefs don't seem all that bad to me, apart from him believing that people who claim oppression are trying to play the victim card which sounds like someone jaded by people who actually do that and could definitely be seen as him only talking about them and not people with actual problems.
I think it's also worth pointing out that only one of the results I got seemed to be from a big, legitimate news site. The others were from small unknown sites that I wouldn't find as reliable.
I suppose it depends on how you define bad. Do you consider being a white nationalist to be a bad thing? Because Bannon most certainly is one. He has described his Brietbart site as the platform of the alt-right on several occasions.
RemyJe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was more interested in how you were failing to find "anything anywhere" rather than discussing the quotes themselves. It's incredibly easy to search for things, and the search examples I gave were not only not complicated, one was provided automatically, and one was relatively intuitive.
Whether you agree, disagree with what he's said, or agree, disagree that they're as terrible as everyone that says they're terrible thinks they are, they were pretty easy to find and I couldn't imagine how little you must have actually tried to search earlier.
What I was saying was I can't actually find anything he's done that was wrong. A lot of people complaining but nothing actually bad.
RemyJe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then I'm sorry I though you were clueless.
RMSOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give us an example and the full context.
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WadeK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the site he ran is a bad source for how people view his character. Of course whatever is written there is going to paint him as sunshine and rainbows
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WadeK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I could find you prominent women who were against suffrage in the 1910's, that doesn't mean they're right or representative of women as a whole
sanctii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His magazine has written articles about the alt-right (you..journalism), and the left has turned that into him being a white supremacist.
The main thing that he has said on record is his declaration that Breitbart had become "the voice of the alt-right." (Which is pretty awful, and enough for me to think he is a dangerous person to have in the whites house)
But you're right, a lot of what other things I've read about it him was either unconfirmed or out of context.
I can see why that could sound bad but don't many people consider "alt-right" to just be younger people who are still conservative? It could be that he was talking about them.
I have seen the alt-right described 50 different ways by 50 different people - Descriptions ranging from everything from people that post pepe memes on twitter to full-on cross-burning members of the klan. I don't even think those who claim they are "alt-right" even know fully what it means because it's so new, which I guess is why it's making such a convenient boogie man for liberal-leaning publications.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:32:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno if allowing people to voice an opinion is a bad thing. I don't agree with Anita Sarkeesian, but if she was being stifled by the media, I'd gladly pay to make sure she had her view heard.
Free speech is important to a society, even if it's just to remind us how stupid racism, sexism, and homophobia are. The Alt-right may be full of these individuals, but trying to stop them from utilizing their rights is just as bad as being a racist, sexist, or homophobe.
Steve Bannon can run his shitty website all he wants, but he does not deserve a place in the White House.
And you can't possibly equate actively trying to prevent racism, fascism, etc from spreading, with actual racism, fascism, etc?
If someone like Andrew Anglin (who runs the self proclaimed "world's most visited alt-right website") somehow got a position in the White House I'd be fucking disappointed if there weren't nationwide protests against the decision to put him there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not for you to decide, that's for the president.
It's about their being a conversation. Make people aware of the issue in a reasonable and adult way. Just saying "these things are bad" doesn't work. DARE is a fucking joke because of this. And yes, to prevent fascism you have to not do fascist things, like restricting the "wrong" people from speaking. It's hypocritical and leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.
And that would be our right as Americans. To protest and make our voices heard. Use your voice to speak up and shut down people who hold shitty opinions with reasonable debate. If you just out and out say "no, your opinion is wrong and you should shut up" and try to pass laws that shut them up, you're doing exactly what you say they'll do. You're no better than them, except you can justify it because society at large agrees with you. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
The issue isn't with the 'alt-right' but with the Breitbart.
Breitbart are almost universally reviled for their utterly nonsensical crybaby whining about literally everything, followed by more spineless mewling everytime they are criticized for their embarrassingly pathetic efforts at constructing an argument.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:04:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, it doesn't matter what their message is. There are kids in college asking for segregated dorm rooms so that they can have a safe space from white people. There's really no good justification for it, but I'd still fight for their right to say it. Anita Sarkeesian misrepresents gameplay to make her point from time to time, but I'd still say she deserves to say it.
They're allowed to say their piece, even if it is poorly constructed. And while some people will say free speech only applies to the government stopping you from speaking, and this is true, it's still wrong to try and stop people from speaking their mind. Any democracy owes it to its citizens to make sure ALL view points are heard, even if they're vile.
The issue is not the message itself, but the fact that if Breitbart is the voice of that message than holy shit that message is a pointless waste of time.
The people who should be angriest about that claim are the alt-right.
Any democracy owes it to its citizens to make sure ALL view points are heard, even if they're vile.
Incorrect. That implies an active hand. Free speech is passive. A democracy ought not to suppress any particular viewpoint, but it has no responsibility to ensure that a viewpoint is actually heard.
That's tricky, take a moment to think about the difference between active and passive roles.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:19:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, how the message is delivered is irrelevant. It deserves to be put out there for the sake of free discourse. "I don't like how it's written" is not an argument against them, it's a weak attempt to shut them down without addressing their points.
A democracy cannot survive "wrong" opinions being suppressed by the public. You can see it throughout history. Maybe the problem is that democracies don't actually work to enforce free speech. PC culture is a fine example. If you say something racist, you get treated like shit. So instead of learning or growing, you retreat back to a place where you're accepted (amongst other racists). Racism is still a problem because we've tried to drive it out with hatred. Hate breeds more hate. PC culture should be about addressing why the person thinks that way and fixing it and allowing for discussion to happen. However, it's become a method of socially accepted bullying, and I don't condone that.
You've suppressed my message by failing to understand it.
What ridiculous windmill are you tilting at anyway, little knightling?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm not suppressing it. I'm not insulting your position or trying to make you shut up so you go away. Suppressing it would be blocking out what you're saying and dismissing your opinion as idiotic and wrong. Which I'm not. I respect you as a person enough not to resort to weak ass attempts to shut down reasonable discourse. Maybe you should try that.
I think you're the one that's misunderstanding. There's very little in the way of alt right news, and Breitbart is one of the few sources that supports it. It gives that side a voice. I get that its poorly written and argued, but where are you going to find another source that gives them such a large platform for sharing their opinion. I hope that made it clear for you.
I care about rights and making sure that they aren't removed for the "greater good". Free speech needs protection and people to stand up and make sure it's protected. The constitution can be changed and it has been ignored in the past. Freedom isn't free. It takes work by the populace to keep it. Those who seek power will always attempt to strengthen and keep it, and your freedom isn't important to them.
You've said that by insulting Breitbart I'm impeding their right to free speech.
I'm saying that your position as such is a) batshit insane and b) places an absurd requirement on both private citizens and the public.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:18:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm not. I actually listened to your opinion and responded to it. You just want to create a red herring and derail the argument in your favor so I sink to your level.
No, I said that you're dismissing their opinion because you don't like the way they say it. I haven't dismissed your opinion despite your insults.
Again, no it isn't. What's so insane about making sure everyone has their rights preserved? Was MLK insane? He wanted to make sure black people had the rights they were supposed to be guaranteed. We have a chance to be proactive about stopping rights from being restricted. And rights should be protected. Is protection from illegal search and seizure a passive role? What about freedom to assemble? Should we not protect those? The requirement is allowing people to speak their mind and actually using reason and debate to shut it down if you feel that's necessary. It's not absurd at all to expect private citizens and the public to treat people with respect and to use their mind.
You actually think you're doing something important by protecting the feelings of loathsome children whose mothers didn't care enough to spank them.
Clearly I must have missed something, so I'll ask:
What is required for someone to have the right to free speech. To be able to speak without fear of physical violence, or to be heard and listened to free from opposition or challenge?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about their feelings. I care that their ideas are heard and that we have people that can actually talk them down. It's not about convincing the asshole they're wrong. You may or may not be able to convince them. But others might see or hear it, and if all they see from people who are against hate spewing hate? That'll leave a bad taste in their mouth. The election proved that spewing more hate to combat hate doesn't work. It hasn't done any good, and we've been trying for years. And im sure you're thinking that "well they're at disrepsecting people, why can't I", and the answer is because they're not about respecting people they have deemed evil. They make no apologies for it. Your posistion is based on respecting people. It makes you look bad because you're compromising your posistion of tolerance.
A the end of the day though, it's about preserving rights. The first step to getting the constitution changed is getting the public behind it, and the public has already made it clear that being racist means you should be punished socially and economically. That's not good. Because one day, we'll wake up and the government will have the support of the people when they remove or heavily limit free speech. It'll be for the greater good though, according to their speeches. It's been done before, all throughout history. Shit, just look at the Patriot Act. I don't trust the government, no one should trust their government. Even the best government deserves distrust. A well intentioned dictator is still a dictator, and it's an easy trap for good people. "It's only for awhile". "Just until we fix this". And it never changes back.
To be able to speak your mind without serious harm to you or your livelihood. You should not lose your job because you have an opinion that isn't well recieved. You shouldn't be targeted for smear campaigns. You shouldn't become a pariah because you said the wrong thing. You talk about me caring about feelings? No. Discussions are being shut down because people get offended. They care about feelings. You can't say that because Luis could get hurt. Oh, don't talk about that, Lisa doesn't like to think about it. Thats what caring about feelings does.
Oh and really? That was a seriously lame attempt to corral the argument. Giving an answer that is technically correct and an answer that I'd never agree to? Of course there should be challenges to what someone says and of course you should be free from threat of violence. Challenging it isn't insulting them, and physical violence isn't the only kind of violence.
physical violence isn't the only kind of violence.
This. This is why we disagree.
Yes. Physical violence is the only kind of violence. Taking away someone's job is physical violence, cutting them off from their needs just as much as your windpipe in my fist would cut you off from oxygen.
You just stated a contention as an assumption, so you can jump right back off that high horse buddy boy. You're trying to push me into a straw man you can beat up on for a while so you don't have to think, like every snivelling coward that dreamed of heroics before you.
You tried to avoid an answer to that question because in the end that's what turns you from someone concerned about rights to someone concerned about nice.
The rest is just window dressing, self indulgences and irrelevances that show your desperation to find enemies in everything and everyone. Trying to make the world better requires accepting what it is first. Denying the dirtiness and ugliness in the world is just vanity.
I corralled the argument because it brought out the delusion. You seem to believe that one should be able to speak without fear of consequence. Anyone who has stepped out of an echo chamber in their lives or voiced a legitimately unpopular opinion will laugh in your face at that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:56:14 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the one trying to find enemies? Because I think we should all be able to be rational human beings and grow up from name calling like school yard bullies? Wow, and you call me delusional. No wonder you don't want to talk to people and use logic and reason. You just want to bully people into submission. I never insulted you up to this point because I actually thought you were a reasonable person.
What strawman? I never created any situation discussed. People have lost jobs because of jokes that could be taken as racist or sexist. People abuse and insult those who disagree with them. People are afraid of being called racist, so that factual arguments will not be used because of the fear of being labeled as one. You're the one who thinks I care about their feelings, when I just said that it helps you more to use logic and reason to shut down their arguments.
You think that rights should not have to be actively protected. You think that your rights will not be infringed upon if you don't protect them. You think that reason and discussion is stupid. You think it's okay to dismiss an argument because it's poorly written. You think it's okay to dismiss an argument because you've deemed to crazy. You think it's okay to be a bully and demean people because you disagree with them. You're the one with serious delusions here man. But I'll still fight for your right to say whatever you want, and I won't insult you to disagree. I hope you get past the idea that you need to bully people to get your point across, because you'll never make any progress. Bye.
You think that rights should not have to be actively protected. You think that your rights will not be infringed upon if you don't protect them. You think that reason and discussion is stupid. You think it's okay to dismiss an argument because it's poorly written. You think it's okay to dismiss an argument because you've deemed to crazy. You think it's okay to be a bully and demean people because you disagree with them. You're the one with serious delusions here man. But I'll still fight for your right to say whatever you want, and I won't insult you to disagree. I hope you get past the idea that you need to bully people to get your point across, because you'll never make any progress. Bye.
You lack empathy.
You spit out the garbage dogma like it's all you've ever known, but the moment it's challenged you play the victim.
You aren't trying to understand, just trying to rationalize your adherence to principles you clearly don't fully comprehend.
I'm trying to pull some honesty out of you, but it seems I'm not going to find a way to get you thinking rationally. You've swallowed the teaching of cowards and fools, so stay on your knees if you wish.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:26 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I understand your point. You think it's acceptable to shut down an argument based on poor writing and that it's okay to bully people for daring to disagree. All you are is a bully who couldn't be one until you learned enough big words that you could make people feel as stupid as people made you feel. You haven't made a coherent argument as to why Breitbart shouldn't give the Alt-right a voice, and the one you did make was weak. See, this is how I know you're a bully. You've gone this whole argument trying to distract from the original point and hurled insults. You were wrong. So sit on it and spin. All that other crap you spewed? I don't have to answer it because, well, it's bullshit.
This is my honest opinion. I'm sincere when I say that everyone should be allowed to speak. And damn straight should you fucking speak up against them and use reason instead of bullying and insults. I doubt you will, because you don't seem smart enough to rise above that. Because you're a coward. You're afraid of looking dumb so you dress your words up. You write real pretty. But ultimately you could sum up your entire post with "nuh-uh you're dumb and stupid". You're not smart, you just took an English composition course. You don't understand history and why you should protect freedom of speech. And that's fine. Because I'm dedicated to the principle of freedom. You can be a bully to the people who speak up, be my guest. But then I'll stand up and call you out for being a bully. Then I'll turn around and shut down the person whose spewing racist nonsense because racism is super fucking easy to shut down with reason and intelligence. Just because I think it's wrong to shut people down by insulting them, doesn't mean that I'm not against destroying their argument. Oh, and the key thing that makes you a bully? You try to destroy the person not the idea. Get stuffed.
That's a lot of 'You' talk for someone committed to reason.
Did you notice I pointed to your lack of empathy? Or did that skip past you?
See, empathy isn't always nice.
But sometimes it can tell you something useful.
In the case of the Breitbart, as well as your own case, it's telling me that you aren't communicating on the rational level, you're not telling me about an idea. You're telling me about your identity.
You want me to engage with who you are, the 'person' as opposed to the idea.
The trouble is that you wanted me to praise you and pat your head for espousing the cliche extremist jargon-fueled nonsense. Ironically, once I started to question it you immediately jumped into the personal attacks, which I took as a good indicator that my initial hypothesis was correct.
In order to excuse that vitriol, you need to ignore what I've actually said (that consequences of speech are sometimes acceptable, particularly if the consequence is itself in the form of speech) and invent a nice black & white paradigm of "those who protect free speech" vs. "those who don't".
Do you see how the people who disagree with you are "bullies"? That those who agree with you are 'reasoned'.
I never said Breitbart shouldn't 'give alt-right a voice' I said the alt-right should fucking find a better voice, because Breitbart is weak and inept. Breitbart claiming to be their voice is offensive, partially because it drowns out other more reasoned options.
But that interpretation didn't give you the fight you wanted, didn't give you the chance to show your identity.
Just like talking in measured or reasonable terms about muslims doesn't give the alt right the chance to show theirs. They want to show that they prioritize strength and refuse to show what they perceive as weakness. Which in and of itself shows a deep insecurity about their strength that needs to be recognized.
Likewise, you want to show me that you prioritize some notion of 'reason' and 'intelligence' over aggression, and in doing so have revealed the lack of same.
The parallel is powerful. Take a moment to be self-aware and see that by playing Devil's Advocate I've taught you something interesting about yourself and other people.
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is always room for all voices in News, that shouldn't be an American debate. We allow everyone to have whatever opinion they want. We don't, however, condone "news" websites purposely lying and deceiving their consumers, which is why when controversial subjects or people are covered and given voice to in credible news segments, they are allowed to speak but given background and context.
Easy case, Breitbart had a very racist article that included the phrase "The Confederacy was not a callous conspiracy to enforce slavery, but a patriotic and idealistic cause."
Believing the Civil War was not about slavery is a very common theme in the south, and that very current belief should be mentioned in any article about such, as context. Simple fact checking in the article to give a wider background would then allow their expression of their ideas without granting them false legitimacy. Multiple states cited Slavery as a motive for succession, including Mississippi ("Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery โ the greatest material interest of the world โฆ a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization") including South Carolina ("In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals") including Texas ("We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable."), and most importantly the Vice President of the Confederacy whose famous Cornerstone Speech declared that the "immediate cause" of secession was their disagreement over slavery.
Breitbart purposely does no moderating of their racist views, no fact checking of their racist statements, and gives no context to their racist movement, which actively laughs about how they trick people into joining their cause by dressing up and disguising their racism in order to get more people to flock to their cause.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And guess what? That is their right. They are allowed to do that. And you're allowed to say "fuck you assholes" and do what you just did under every article they post.
Free speech doesn't mean just the speech we find palatable. It's all speech, and honestly it sucks sometimes, which is why it's so important to ensure that EVERYONE has that right. It'd be so easy to say "alright, racists are banned from speaking in public" and just pushing the problem away. But then we've lost a freedom. And for what? Not having to listen to racism or sexism? That would be awful.
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, not my right to say "fuck you assholes" under every post, because they aren't a government institution, they aren't required to let me speak at all.
I'm saying, the reason they aren't a real news organization, and that they're considered Hacks who have no journalistic integrity is that they do puff pieces and editorial advertisements, not sourced backgrounded contexualized informational articles. They're a giant circle-jerk that makes money off of being a giant circle-jerk, and shouldn't be granted legitimacy in the eyes of the public. They can talk all they want, but everyone sane should refute their words and ideas.
RMSOT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here are some headlines from his website, formerly Andrew Breitbart's before he died:
"Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy"
"Hoist it High and Proud: The confederate flag proclaims a glorious heritage"
Among many others that are too gross for me to really delve into without seething anger.
RMSOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Headlines are intentionally provocative for clicks. Literally everyone does this.
"Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy"
Fucking with your hormones can have bad side effects. Some women react very poorly to ill-fitting BC. Not very PC, but not totally incorrect either.
"Hoist it High and Proud: The confederate flag proclaims a glorious heritage"
That's an option held by many southerners, not-racists included. Disagreeing over a flag and its representation is peanuts. I don't see how his option on a flag matters to you and your rights.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, him saying that makes him a white supremacist..... Lol
Well the specific example they cited a couple days ago on NPR was the fact that he had the gall to say "feminism is a cancer"
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because there isn't any. It's all media propaganda.
r1zz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assume it's the few quotes that are HERE . None of which seem to be too off the mark. Seems to be just a few things that safe-space SJW's would get offended by.
carasson ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:42:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ben Shapiro, literal ORTHODOX JEWISH MAN who worked for Steve Bannon, AND despises him for personal reasons, denies that he is an antisemite. He also thinks he should be given a chance in Trump's white house if I recall correctly. Try again?
I didn't say he was an antisemite. I said he said antisemitic things. Also, just because one person out of a minority believes something does not mean that it should be held as the definitive interpretation of an entire group. Stop treating races and ethnicities as monoliths.
I wouldn't say he thinks he should be given a chance. He does however point out the media going overboard with the antisemite stuff. But the rest of the article is anything but a good picture of the guy.
I thought Shapiro was the one saying he's an antisemite and white power nationalist. But not sure I trust anything anymore. Too much propaganda from both sides
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:47:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he wasn't. The article he wrote on Bannon is linked above you.
I mean Trump just put his Jewish son-in-law in charge of picking Trump's national security team... why are we expected to believe that Trump is anti-semitic?
It's something I've seen a lot online. That Trump is Anti Semitic because he hired Bannon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's daughter is Jewish. Bannon will toe the line or he'll be gone in six months.
I didn't support Trump during this election, but I think he has no issue with firing someone that isn't performing up to his standards, and I think he can work it out in his mind (and in the press) as "I tried it their way, now I'll do it mine".
Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I'm thinking there will be a LOT of shifting within his first two years.
It's not just down to Trump. It's not just aboit his cabinet. What message does this send to racists that have a bastion in breitbart? Even if Bannon is the most anti-racist person he has espoused himself to racism and misogyny just by head a company which puts our racist and misogynystic rhetoric.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What message does this send to racists that have a bastion in breitbart? Even if Bannon is the most anti-racist person he has espoused himself to racism and misogyny just by head a company which puts our racist and misogynystic rhetoric.
I think most Americans (judging by the popular vote) are aware of racism and misogyny, and I don't think that spending ANY TIME AT ALL thinking about the "message this sends" to racists is worth your time or mine.
Fuck what they think.
Yes, there are people, like Bannon, that I am uncomfortable with, and I think that this man won't fit well within the organization... Trump is a business person, and I think every approach he takes is radical, to establish a negotiation point- ask for the moon, then come down to earth.
Perhaps I'm giving the man too much credit, but I think that if he serves red meat up front, he has the political capital to weather both the storm of the opposition (majority of the nation), by distancing himself from the stupidest of ideas (i know it isn't a word) because those ideas don't come from him, but were "suggested by the staff, considered, and rejected", and maintaining traction with those who are happy to see him choose an outsider.
Effectively, I think in his second year, you're going to see a marked shift to a more moderate group of people.
Again, I could be flat wrong, and maybe I'm engaging in wishful thinking because I didn't vote for him, but I'm waiting until I see some kind of decision FROM THE MAN HIMSELF.
I disagree. When racists and bigots are emoldened people are threatened, people are harrassed, and at worst people are killed. Normalizing this type of rhetoric is not on an option. The only way to make sure it doesn't become normalized is to address it directly, as soon as it sprouts up, and mark it out for what it is. Racism never went away, it just went into hiding and now that this type of discourse is given a platform it will come out again. It is dangerous to say "fuck what they think" because a lot of people think like they do. Underestimation is the exact thing that allowed this election come to pass and I will not make the same error again. This cannot be accepted in any way.
I don't think Trump actually has any idea what he's doing and if he wants his power base to stay loyal he'll have to deliver on somethings. I think he will be easily manipulated by the people around him because of his inexperience.
Hopefully you're right. I just don't think there's time to waste in seeing if Trump doesn't actually turn into the monster he has put himself out as. I'm black and mexican. You have to be able to understand my fear and worry. My family has already been harrassed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The only way to make sure it doesn't become normalized is to address it directly, as soon as it sprouts up, and mark it out for what it is.
I think that has been happening throughout the entire election cycle.
Racism never went away, it just went into hiding
No, I don't think it really did. It's there, and it's in all the places the so-called "alt-right" wish to pretend don't exist. Structural racism, subtle racism, whatever you want to call it, is a real thing. Same goes for xenophobia and homophobia. I'm not arguing that these issues are "solved"- not by a long shot.
I think what I'm saying is that we have perhaps ridden the pendulum and are now so concerned that we're avoiding "real talk". Here's an example:
I think there's a balance to be struck between racism, xenophobia, et al, and discussing the components that allow the umbrella of that nastiness to continue.
It is dangerous to say "fuck what they think" because a lot of people think like they do.
The people I am suggesting we disregard are exactly the "fool" jesters of those notions: the overt racists. And yes, I do think it's wise to ignore them, because they offer no value in their argument. What i find unhealthy is an AVOIDANCE of the very same "subtle" racism that frankly exists in all of us, whether we want to admit it or not, and that we NEED TO WORK THROUGH, but have avoided having the "tough conversations" in light of just pointing at those more clearly racist than us, the normal.
Fuck those guys. they'll either get it or they won't. trying to tip the scales, or spending so much time on the small percentage of idiots is a detriment to the rest of us that are ready to actually converse.
I don't think Trump actually has any idea what he's doing and if he wants his power base to stay loyal he'll have to deliver on somethings. I think he will be easily manipulated by the people around him because of his inexperience.
Yes, he WILL need to deliver on some things, and the easiest is the deportation of illegals, which is why he's already signaled that he'll do that first. it's low-hanging fruit that he'll catch fresh hell from on the left, though it will make them look bad to the same electorate that voted for Trump, but it will allow him a ballast to say "you know what, maybe the wall isn't practical. Maybe a fence and more agents... btw, I got rid of a lot of 'bad guys'", and he'll come out with minimal damage.
You think he has no idea what he's doing, and THAT IS WHY HE WON.
I'm black and mexican. You have to be able to understand my fear and worry. My family has already been harrassed.
This is where I fail at understanding, because I'm white and male, and I can't understand your experience now any better than three weeks ago. I hope that you understand that I was not a Trump supporter, and I hope you also understand that I do not want you or yours to suffer in any way. What I want is some decorum, but am happy to see that people like you (and even with my limited view point) and i will examine everything he does, and will judge him based on those actions.
I continue to think that you'll see a huge turnover in his first two years, and he'll gradually fill out his staff to become a pretty moderate sort... at least, that's my hope.
EDIT- Let me address something that I'm sure you or someone else will point out- the video i linked to seems to contradict exactly the point i espoused- that we should ignore the obviously stupid and ignorant, because the "rest of us" don't feel that way. In this case, it was radical Islam. I'm aware of the hypocrisy in my argument, and I'm suggesting this: there are hills to die on, and THIS ONE (radical Islam) is one area where we cannot ignore the overtly ignorant assholes. Another would be the relationship between our policing, our so-called drug war, and the interaction between authorities and minorities. That is something we CANNOT ignore. We have to combat the racism of bad cops, for example, but we have to also address clearly the culture of BOTH the "bad cop" and the "shitty neighborhood", and things like "bitches get stitches", for example, isn't helping anyone. We have, in my view, gone so far down the path of self-autopsy of overt, structural, subversive racism, xenophobia, et al, that we feel racist or xenophobic ourselves to even SUGGEST that maybe, no matter the cause, there exists a culture that is adversarial to ITSELF, and needs be addressed.
All I want is to wake up with a third Obama term. That's not going to happen. What happens next I think we need to try and measure and address as it happens, that's all.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FrankFH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Media blowing things out of proportion as always.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much. Amazing the fury when no one can provide proof Bannon is even close to being a white supremacist. Lol
You don't have to be so rude or aggressive, man. It's just an internet forum. I'm just going off the information I have available to me, which has been circulating around a lot of major news sources.
In any case he was the ceo of Breitbart, if there was anything antisemitic or misogynistic, he by default allowed it. It may not have been directly him and he may not hold any oppressive views, but he sure as hell knows how to use them to his benefit and how to str up anti-semitic and misogynystic feeling in people. He's espoused himself to that form of thought.
People like you are the reason there are riots now and trump supporters have been violently attacked. You are an idiot and should learn to research things before claiming them as fact.
Judging my intelligence because of a single reddit post is pretty short sighted and obtuse. You don't even know who I am, or what I'm about. So please don't generalize who I am like that.
I think the riots are the fault of trump's own divisive, combatative, and unyielding rhetoric and platform. Minorities are also being targeted, on an even larger scale than attacks on trump supporters. Not that that makes attacks on trump supporters less important. But, for someone who's all about "facts" you should know this and present it as well.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Chiming in with something others haven't added yet. He took over from Andrew Breitbart as the head of Breitbart News, after Andrew died. Bannon has bragged that he single-handedly made Breitbart News THE platform for the Alt-Right.
Google the Alt-Right, they're a very specific sub-group of conservatives, with an actual hierarchy and a leader. There are various believes from different sub-factions, but they all agree on a philosophy of Whites-first, white-pride, keeping America majority-white, making America a White Homeland (through deportation, closing the boarders to non-whites, and to systematic discouragement of non-white breeding, but not though any violent means). They are unabashedly racist, they embrace the term racism, and think that there is nothing wrong with racism.
So, if he isn't racist himself, he sure is buddy-buddy with them. Him not being racist is rather debatable, based off some leading comments he has made, and off of him allegedly being against his child being taught in any institution with too many Jews, or ran by the Jews. The allegations were by his wife during divorce proceedings, though it looks like the allegations weren't fought at the time.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google the Alt-Right, they're a very specific sub-group of conservatives, with an actual hierarchy and a leader.
The rest of your description of the alt-right is accurate enough, but they're actually a loose and fairly amorphous group and absolutely don't have a single organization, hierarchy, or leader.
Breitbart represents the most "mainstream" (i.e. watered down for more public consumption) end of it, and it's plausible not everyone at Breitbart would consider themselves white supremacists. There's just a substantial overlap between the perspectives Breitbart pushes and those of much more openly extreme white nationalist groups.
You might say Breitbart is a less extreme branch of the alt-right, or that they are just presenting a more mild version of it to try to gain public legitimacy or as a "gateway drug." Hard to say. Either way, the idea of Bannon in the White House is terrifying.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which leads you to the founder and head of the Alt-Right movement, Richard Spencer. He founded AlternativeRight.com, basically THE center of Alt-Right thought on the internet. Also go to the Alt-Right subreddit, he's an active member there. (Listen to him speak if you get a chance, he has a silken voice and a silken tongue, he can simultaneously have you nodding along and wanting to vomit at the same time)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
You can try to tone down Bannon as much as you want, but none of this is even slightly hidden, which is why people from both sides of the isle are against his appointment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize I am not attempting to "tone down" or defend Bannon in any way, right? I'm not sure you read my whole post.
drdelius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read it, a few times, and sourced things.
I refuted your first argument, about there not being a head. There are various sub-factions, but they come from a common core though Spencer's vision of the movement. It's like Christianity, there may be splinter groups, but you can't dispute who founded it (or, I should say, those in the movement don't dispute it).
As for toning it down, I took your view of Breitbart News as a proxy for Bannon, and your watering down their Alt-Right-ness as watering down his as well. I should say Breitbart has managed to keep some staff and regular contributors that are not alt-right, and are unsympathetic to the alt-right movement. Bannon is not one of those people.
Steve Bannon is just the latest target of the media. They have a strategy of attacking anyone that associates with Trump or who is loyal to him. Bannon seems like a pretty ok journalist who took over Breitbart after its jewish founder passed away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...and turned it into "the platform of the alt-right," which is an unashamedly racist and anti-immigrant movement.
Bannon seems to me to think similarly about media, communication, and persuasion to Trump. He's been very successful with that perspective. Though his reputation has been sullied by the election smearing, I don't think Bannon is all that bad. Harvard MBA, Goldman Sachs seems to indicate he's ambitious but not psychotic. Breitbart.com comments section is cancer, but then so are most.
Still, it's on Bannon and Trump to repair Bannon in the public eye. Let's hope they do or part ways.
You really should watch the speeches he gives in front of wealthier people, he tones it down.
NecroJoe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:19:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
may actually not be completely retarded.
Jac0b777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. The guy is far from retarded. He singlehandedly manipulated the media to give him free press by saying the dumbest populist shit you can imagine. He pandered to his audience, lied and tricked everyone.
He may not be likeable, but don't doubt his whole charade has been planned. He knows what he's doing and he is far from dumb.
diddy1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:53:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS. We're spending so much time talking about the Bannon appointment that no one has noticed Pryor's on the shortlist for a Supreme Court nomination. That guy is fucking TERRIFYING. Extremely anti-repro rights, extremely anti-LGBT, openly hostile to Miranda v. Arizona and Roe v. Wade... We're fucked, if he somehow gets voted in.
You're forgetting that all of these headlines were already put out when he was brought on earlier this summer as the campaign's CEO. They all predicted that Bannon would cause Trump to go off the rails, and his hiring ended up coinciding with the long string of teleprompter speeches that got Trump back on message.
BigSeth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:43:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was Pence for me.
soggy7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly.
dnick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My last hope is that he's hiring half of his staff based on the fact that he likes to be able to fire people. If he fires too many people who are actually 'liked' or respected, he'll have trouble down the line, so keeping a few ridiculous picks that he can fire on a whim at any time might be a business-like arrangement he likes to do?
If you totally ignored his cabinet, he seems slightly more reasonable
To bad the cabinet is the most important part
I'm kind of thinking he's secretly an anarchist and wants to set a precedent for the president overriding his cabinet on basically every issue, and the people being okay with it, until it turns shitty
That doesn't seem like a guy that wants to unite the country, but he does represent the country, a lot of people want to "bring it all crashing to the ground" and he definitely represents them.
Conjwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't let them die just yet! He has already said he is cool with gay marriage, lets hope we get back to pre-2012 Trump by the inauguration. We better keep hoping, because we've got him for 4 years either way. Hopefully Bannon is out before January 20th.
I hope he is reasonable, but I think it is really up to congress to reign in some of his more harebrained ideas. I actually feel pretty confident that they will, because of the simple reason that they will be blamed for everything that goes wrong.
Disclaimer: I voted for Obama twice, Bernie in the primary, and begrudgingly, Hillary Clinton.
I don't see anything that bad in the source you link. Like, I don't agree with much of it, but I'm not sure expressing those opinions or overseeing publication of those articles should disqualify him from working for the president. Certainly not worse than anything trump has said or done...
I had some secret hope that when Trump took office it would turn out he was actually a very reasonable guy. Those hopes vanished when he hired Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.
I thought that Trump might just be a genius and he's being an outright sexist and racist bigot just get the popular vote. The crazier he got, the more people liked him.
However, based on his past history and backing of people like Bannon and Pence... that seems increasingly less likely.
Is all of what he said really so bad? Even if you dig my comment history you'll find that I'm not really pro trump, but it just seems like he's anti establishment and outspoken like Trump, except said far less egregious things.
You can't use the NY times as a source now if you want facts. Hell, any mainstream media is going to be biased considering 96% of donations go to the Democrats.
Jac0b777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I completely disagree with your statement that the NY Times is unbiased (far from that I'd say), but regarding Bannon in the White House - yeah, that's pretty much a nightmare.
blalien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just laughing because I've gotten a dozen responses complaining about how biased NY Times is, but not one person has actually looked at the article and told me what's wrong with it.
Jac0b777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I'm not talking about this exact article, but their reporting in general. This article seems generally OK, as it's mostly quotes and facts about him, not the writer's opinions on him.
blalien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I know the NY Times is left leaning, but they don't straight up lie about the facts. Some Redditors seem to believe that any publication that doesn't worship Trump like an immortal pussy-grabbing god-emperor is part of the George Soros/CTR propaganda machine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the ny times and respected do not belong in the same sentence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:02 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't really see anything wrong with what he said. which part dont you like?
Fuck off, this is the main guy bending his ear to shape strategy. Former people who have held this same job (if not exact same title): Karl Rove, David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett. I don't think anyone would say they had no power with the President.
CowFu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:31:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll probably influence more people if you don't start off so abrasively. I agree though, it's more than just a token appointment.
Edwardian ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eh, one advisor... without even any direct authority... There were extreme liberals in the Obama whitehouse, and it wasn't the end of the world, this won't be either...
Let's just hope he goes respectable with SecState, SecDef, and Supreme Court Justice like he did with Chief of Staff rather than far extreme like he did with Bannon.
blalien ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:50:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're going to go the "both sides are just as bad" route, prove it. Name one Obama adviser who is as extreme as Steve Bannon and has the word "chief" in their title.
How about a Secretary of State that put secret communications at risk, after bringing charges against a general for a smaller information leak... and who perjured herself in front of congress. What laws has Bannon broken?
blalien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me how many crimes Hillary Clinton has been convicted of? Why does Reddit only believe in innocent until proven guilty when it comes to rape?
She hasn't been convicted because her boss (the president) wouldn't let her be charged. Complete abuse of power. The "pay to play" evidence alone is enough corruption evidence to get someone jailed...
Meanwhile at /r/socialism
Libertarians tend to be on the far right in terms of economic policies and on the far left in terms of social policies (although it differs from person to person).
I'd say it started out as more of a leftist movement but in recent years has been taken over by the right.
That said libertarianism is a very broad spectrum which ranges all the way from the Libertarian Marxism on the far-left to Anarcho-capitalism on the far-right.
Why do people keep hating on Steve Bannon? I'm asking sincerely, I don't know what this guy did that makes everyone shout "racist!" in every post/news report about him. He is/was the CEO of Breitbart right? And people are trying to put some spin on it like Breitbart is the unofficial media outlet of the "Alt Right" (which I don't even believe is a real thing, "Alt Right" was just coined by the MSM during Hillarys campaign), so other than that what makes Bannon such a bad guy? Did he do something specific?
ctolsen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The label was invented by the alt-right themselves, specifically by this solid fella, a white nationalist. And Breitbart are happily taking the role of being their outlet.
Bannon has helped spread this for years. Bit immaterial if you hate yourself when you've spent all your effort stirring up others' hate, you're doing the same damage. Even Glenn Beck thinks he's a nutcase.
What if Trump is just still trolling us? And getting all this media coverage? We'll see if Bannon actually gets a real job on the cabinet and not just on this "Transition Team" come Jan 20th.
This was always going to happen. Steve Bannon knows how to manipulate Trump. Not that it's particularly hard manipulating someone who is pure ego (hint: flattery works really well), but Bannon has proven himself effective. Watch Putin do the same.
Say what you will, the man may be a nutcase, but he's not necessarily wrong. Have you not been paying attention man? Do you not see how many people are fed up with the system as it is? Tired of the bullshit that most of these politicians spew, people have had these thoughts for awhile now. The only difference is they didn't do it, because theres a better way. Thats why Trump was elected, Bannon can't do much of shit on his own. It'll be up to Trump to decide if its the right way to go forward.
I believe, and I can be wrong. Maybe he wont be as inherently bad as you think. Theres one thing Bannon can bring to the discussion that most people can't being he's so anti-establishment, and thats a unique perspective on the current situation.
Edit: this is only relative to what you posted and the views expressed by Bannon in those comments. Not in regards to the man himself or any of his views on other people. As others have made mention of "anti-semitism" and such remarks. I don't know enough about the man or that media company. Just so everyone knows.
The NY Times is a respected publication that does not let their personal opinion get in the way of facts.
LOL
Tacsol5 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do understand that Trump is his own man right? He will take what Bannon has to say with a grain of salt and make decisions based on input he receives from more than just him. He's nobodies puppet whether you like to believe that or not.
neonKow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do understand that Trump is his own man right?
Yeah, his own man that hand-picked a terrible human being to be his advisor. It's not like Bannon is a coworker that Trump just happens to work with; the fact that he chose the man says a lot about what he values.
Just remember though, for him to be a good potus, his appointments are going to have to serve just as well because they're his picks. Giuliani, Carson, Palin etc.
I think the global expectations for him will be more than exceeded just as they were when George W got in.
I'm a staunch Bernie supporter but I've realized that he's going to be the only bridge that the GOP has into the 21st century. I personally think he's gross and greedy and his transition team is a joke of more lobbyists but he's the culture shock that the GOP really needs before they can modernize.
I used to believe that Bernie winning the nomination and presidency would solve everything like a beautiful fairy tale but the GOP has been nothing but a road block. Until the GOP can stop Bible thumping and screaming about Obamacare we're only going to see more gridlock. Maybe president-elect Cheeto can get their shit in gear about abortion, gay rights, and patching up infrastructure rather than just more heel dragging.
But Pence, what seems to be a deal to reassure the evangelical gop'ers, seems to be a red flag that not much is going to be done. Unless Trump steps up and does "shift gears" this administration is looking like a usual super evangelical Republican one sadly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He'll have to lock in a haircut and I'm not sure he is ready to commit to that.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:03:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's Pence that worries me. He's always been staunchly against planned parenthood and he's a hardcore Catholic, so I'm not sure how everything's going to go.
OctaShot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence left the Church and is now an Evangelical, sadly. It was funny (in a sad way) to watch him out-Catholic an actual practicing Catholic though.
Socially, he would be fine in my book if he drops the "zap the gay away" thing and actually does something to protect those with homosexual attractions while getting rid of the oxymoron that is gay "marriage".
I'd love a solid Catholic candidate but sadly those are not only hard to come by but also hard to elect due to the anti-Catholoc bigotry prevalent in the USA.
OctaShot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:34:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Marriage, by its very nature, can only be between a man and a woman. This is a metaphysical reality. The two complementary sexes voluntarily come together in an unbreakable union in order to become one flesh through consummation. Marriage exists because men and women exist. If only men or only women existed, marriage would not be necessary because the function of marriage would not exist.
The purpose of marriage is rooted in the purpose of our reproductive system. Sex is to be enjoyed by married couples for the purpose of unity and must also be open to reproduction. Through sex, a new human life is created at conception. This new life, once it leaves the womb, needs to be taken care of until it can sustain itself on its own. This is where the family comes in. Both men and women have distinct characteristics that are required for a family. A man cannot be a mother and a woman cannot be a father. Therefore, family is rooted in marriage. I could go on about how society is rooted in family but I think you get the point.
The idea that the Supreme Court can redefine marriage is as absurd as an alchemist claiming that he has transmuted lead into gold by renaming "lead" to "gold".
Thank you for your response. I hope to have a meaningful conversation as I am genuinely interested to hear your viewpoint. Please do not see the following as an attack on your beliefs, but more of a discussion.
You mentioned that marriage by its nature can only be between a man and woman, which is strange considering that marriage, unlike gold, is not natural. It is a human social paradigm that yes, was designed to be between a man and woman, but just like we have understood laws created centuries ago were flawed and have been redefined, we can choose to change the design of marriage.
The notion of family is also a human design. Very few creatures express the need for a family, especially ones spearheaded by both a male and female role. Family, and mother and father figures can also be redefined. What is it you believe a male parent can provide that a female cannot and vice versa? I ask you this also, if a mother dies leaving only a father and child, with no female representation, does this cease to be a family?
Thank you for your time.
OctaShot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I too would like to have a civil discussion, which is a breath of fresh air around these parts. Asking the hard questions is how we get to truth, and I will support and encourage anyone who is striving towards truth. Just know that I myself don't have all the answers to all your questions. I may have a source here or there, or some basic information, that can point you in the right direction though. The folks at /r/Catholicism may be able to give you a more complete understanding of this side of the argument. I'm very much outside of my element on this topic.
I think that marriage is natural. Even before it was raised to the level of Sacrament by Christ, it existed in some form or another. Depending on how you date it, certain books of the Old Testament go back to 10 BC- 6 BC so we know marriage existed that far back. I'm not familiar enough with Mesopotamia and the origin of civilization to make any claim that goes beyond the dates I provided though. I highly doubt that marriage goes back further than civilization itself though I could be wrong.
Humans are not to be judged by the actions of non-rational animals. Something that either is or is not found in the animal kingdom has no bearing on the human situation since humans are created in the image of God. The family is the basic unit of society. Humans as social beings have their first interactions with their parents who are largely responsible for shaping their child in their most vulnerable days.
For the specific roles of men and women as father and mother, I'd encourage you to look at studies (which I can't link or name so take it with a grain of salt, my memory could be failing me) on the effects of raising children in a single parent household. The negative effects of such situations can be mitigated by having someone on the outside act as a father/mother figure but to what extent I do not know. Keep that in mind when assessing their research methodology. Evolutionary psychology may also provide some insights.
A biological family does not cease to be a family with the death of a member. There are also other families outside of the biological one. Monks who live in monasteries see each other as brothers. They live together, work together and pray together, sometimes changing their names upon entering the order. I would say that they are a family. I would also say that humans are also family to each other as we are all created by God in His image. But notice that while I'm using the same word, the meaning slightly changes in each instance. I don't know how to properly define or categorize these different usages.
I hope I have made sense with this post. Thank you for taking the time to read and inquire into my thought process. I would encourage you to look into other sources that would probably do a much better job than me on this topic. As I have already said, this isn't exactly my strongest area of knowledge.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So...gay marriage is an oxymoron because you said so. Got it.
Well, thats a little disingenuous because Pence isn't against it for those reasons.
You're allowed to have your own personal opinion on it, of course. However the fact is PP provides necessary healthcare, family planning, and sex/reproductive education. They service over 4.5 million people worldwide on a yearly basis, with 2.5 million of these being Americans. They largely focus on providing preventative sexual and reproductive healthcare (pap smears, breast exams) and preventing unwanted pregnancy through birth control. They prevent nearly 600,000 unwanted pregnancies annually.
Again, you're allowed to have your own opinion on the matter. Plenty of people, myself included, believe PP does important and necessary work and would not like to see the organization gutted.
IamMrT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why he picked Pence. How much influence will the VP actually have?
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know he picked Pence because he needed an inroad to the Bible Belt, as far as Pence goes he is a non-issue unless Trump dies
Because Trump has said there are a lot of issues that he's fairly indifferent toward, and he wants Pence to be something of a "CEO" and manage those types of decisions. Pence has the power to be very influential in the same way Cheney was over Bush.
Tacsol5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:15:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by societal progress?
jjjaaammm ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:55:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The just kicked all the lobbyists out of the transition team.
Only two of them I thought. NPR just published a background piece on some of the current members. Here Still quite some lobbyists, bankers, consultants and more of the regular 'in-crowd'.
KurtSTi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:36:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm reading conflicting reports - but we will have to see when all is said and done. He has Washington insiders and it's "Trump is a hypocrite," he has only outsiders and it's, "Trump woefully unprepared to lead."
Honestly though, I don't know what to believe because I have never witnessed such whipsaw wild speculation in the press before. It is at heights unseen.
Holy shit I stand corrected. I'm just trying to remain positive through a Trump presidency and a GOP majority because it looks pretty gloomy for a long time. Maybe kicking lobbyists out could become his saving grace.
The rumor is that he sacked Christie and torched his entire team because of the BridgeGate stuff.. Going even further, he may end up prosecuting Christie for letting his own guys take the fall instead of himself.
Hey man - I am un-apologetically a Trump fan. I can't predict what he will do, but I think he will surprise a lot of people.
If you told me that an independent candidate with no ties to big business, elected officials or special interests, spending a third of the money of any recent successful campaign, was up against someone taking millions in corporate and foreign cash with deep ties to wall street, and left would be championing the latter, I would never believe it.
How can you even say this? He IS big business. He's one of the most known businessmen in the world. It's crazy to say he doesn't have ties to big business when his businesses will be running while he is president and making policies that will effect his businesses.
In all seriousness, there are big businesses, and there is "Big Business." Fortune 100 companies make the Trump Organization look like a mom and pop outfit.
The Clintons have personally made tens of million of dollars off of Big Business while representing the public, and hundreds of millions from Big Business and foreign governments on behalf of their personal organization in which they failed to provide any meaningful firewall between their public duties.
You can make a valid argument about the Trump organization, however, he is not president yet and until an actual conflict exists, it is convenient to focus on that while ignoring the point I was actually making.
If Trump uses the presidency to operationally enrich the Trump organization I offer the same condemnation to him as I do the Clintons.
My guess is he will follow Mike Bloomberg's path and successfully distance himself from his namesake organization while in office.
That was a token move to placate the media (and the liberals among us) but it was only ever a gesture--the real scumdogs are still in there.
bobsp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:09:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just fired all lobbyists from his transition team after pseudo-shitcanning Christie.
Eques9090 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:37:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What in the hell would make you think he's going to cause the GOP to "get their shit in gear" for the 21st century? So far he's appointed climate change deniers and a white supremacist, talked about how Roe v. Wade will be appealed, and his vice president is as conservative as conservative gets. I can see no evidence he's going to change the GOP's outlook on any of the things you mentioned.
Don't forget Trump was a Dem until 2009. Just look at his interviews after the election ended. All those wall building speeches? Now they're just going to remain fences. Not wanting to go after Obamacare. Not wanting to repeal LGBT laws. Wanting states to decide on weed. Trump may be pretty gross but he knew exactly how to manipulate his voting base.
His cabinet scares the shit out of me though.
Eques9090 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:49:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it matters at all what Trump really believes. That's why he's scary. I don't think he really wants the job, and he's going to delegate more than any president in history. One of his first apparent questions after winning was how much time he actually has to spend in the White House. And so far the people he's going to delegate to are terrifying, and in compete control with no checks and balances.
It's also worth noting that there's no reason to believe his more liberal positions were any more real than his conservative ones. He was a big city real estate developer. He may have judged at the time that it was politically expedient to be liberal then, and politically expedient to be conservative now. Who the fuck knows what he actually believes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need to invent a machine where we can get in both their heads right before the election and honestly gauge their confidence thru the night. Gonna need a time machine too.
daoistic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering he wants abortion to be decided at the state level and Obamacare only works with the mandate...you might not want to get too cheery too soon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the lobbyist were fired from his transition team.
The GOP needs to change before the US can move forward and it's only going to happen internally. The biggest blockade to advancing healthcare, education, environmental concerns, human rights, and infrastructure has and always will be the GOP in the US. If they can budge even one inch then it's going to be a miracle but we desperately need them to evolve.
I despise Trump and everything he has ever worked towards. But he's not stupid and he knows that the GOP is dangerously out of touch. The only salvation I can think of for his presidency is being able to modernize their decrepit platform.
I've always believed that in an ideal world the Democrats would be the voice of idealism and the gap would be the voice of practicality, and to some extent a lot of their members are like that. For instance, I know several Republicans who want to reform and partially privatize Social Security, not because raw big government, but because the system as it is essentially sitting on a bubble ready to burst. I believe you are correct that if the GOP can get away from their current anti-progress message and towards a "progress, but responsibly" one, then government can actually work again
zachij ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Can you explain the gay right thing to me please? Because ive always know him to support it? Hes even reiterated it recently....all the while Hillarys last 'official' statement was that marriage was between a man and woman.
I think he needs to focus on things like patching up and improving infrastructure, maybe some high speed rail even! Let's face it that social issues are not the main focus of his administration, and fixing all the gay rights in the world won't bring jobs back to the US from China and Mexico.
Not that social issues aren't important, but we've had 8 years of focusing on those (a lynchpin of the Democratic platform) but now the Republicans have won, and they're going to focus on their platform of more job growth at the expense of social programs.
What scares me is that blue-collar workers elected him and he knows that he has to cater his platform to them and only them. Manufacturing jobs in the US are dying and for good reason. It simply costs less money to manufacture overseas and ship it back to the US. Even Trump knows that much. If he wants to prop up manufacturing jobs without pushing for higher minimum wage or labor rights then it's a course for disaster.
If he can willingly come out and tell America that it's time to move into a new economic future based around IT rather than manufacturing I think he could do more for the economy than anyone in a long time. But I'm hesitant. He made an entire platform about bringing back manufacturing but it's just not feasible. We can't bring back those manufacturing jobs and acting like we can is only going to push us further back.
I'd give anything to see more full-scale infrastructure development like under FDR or Eisenhower. If they stick to their guns and only want to tackle LGBT rights or planned parenthood like the past decade then it's nothing more than a wasted opportunity.
He claims he wants to do the infrastructure... we will see... you're right though, other than implementing large tariffs, nothing will bring manufacturing from a low cost to high cost environment.
I can only hope. He doesn't seem to care about government spending as long as he can stimulate economic growth and I can only hope that means the GOP can stop bullshitting about being "small government."
I like the idea of a small government that spends a lot of money.
As far as I'm concerned, government should be small in terms of complexity, not necessarily budgets.
dnick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, since they've somehow figured out how to withstand the ramifications of their obviously 'obstructionist only' strategy, maybe they do need to melt down from within before anything can change.
Sean1479 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think it's just the GOP doing that you're mistaken it's the Democrats also they say one thing and run ten things around you. At least the republicans give you a handshake and an upfront answer before fucking you while the dens go around back and do it sneakily.
Maybe president-elect Cheeto can get their shit in gear about abortion, gay rights, and patching up infrastructure rather than just more heel dragging.
so you're saying republicans should become democrats?
AS far as I can tell both Dems and Reps want infrastructure repair. Our bridges are in terrible shape, and we built so fast in the 60's and 70's we cannot go that fast with the regulations we have today. But many are there for a reason.
But you know what, people hate construction if they have to drive through it, and then begin to hate infrastructure projects.
monsto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Won't happen.
Trump's win is the first returns from the investment made at the terrible gerrymandering enacted by the 2010 republican lead congress. Several of those redrawings have been overturned by courts, but by horribly breaking things up to their advantage, the electoral college votes went the way they wanted.
And unless there's HUGE changes in peoples menatality in 2020, to make everything go Democratic, it's only going to get worse.
babno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He fired all the lobbyists and Christie a day or two ago.
I lost a lot of my trust for Bernie Sanders when he proposed that ludicrous increase of minimum wage to 15$. Yeah, that's not what capitalism stands for, and is honestly not good for economy unless it is done through a more gradual process.
Just remember that that proposal was meant to be dialed back when it came to actual negotiations much like other politicians. The US wouldn't jump to $15 minimum wage overnight. But Bernie Sanders does want to see a raise in minimum wage and quite frankly it's time. $7.25/hour is abysmal but $15/hour isn't practical. A more fair negotiated wage would fit very comfortably at $10/hour and that was exactly what Bernie was aiming for.
Which makes sense. Even if he said 15 in , maybe, what, 6 7 years. That'd be legitimate.
I just find he has a lot of policies, at least to me who works in a bank, to be, highly impractical and unrealistic.
If the intention was based around what you are saying, then I think that's pretty smart actually.
As a side note, during the election, my other concern with Bernie is that, I believed that he wouldn't be able to deal and sway with republic house and senate, which is pretty much what happened to Obama.
This is such a refreshing and thought provoking point of view. I too, find Trump to be a gross person with garbage constantly spewing from his mouth. Still, this gives me some hope.
This was the biggest reason I can think of that he's a good republican president. Many people I know are republicans who have become disgusted with the party being taken over by super religious bigots who don't focus on personal liberties outside of gun ownership anymore. I'm thrilled that if we got a republican president that at least he's not one of the holy rollers we've gotten to "choose" from in the past. I think before he ran for president no one would have ever classified trump as a crazy Christian like most other republican candidates.
I don't like or dislike trump more than Hillary but I do like trump more than most republican candidates. I wish it could have been trump vs Bernie to give both parties a wake up call but hopefully Hilary's loss will show democrats that everyone is ready for modern candidates.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reread my first sentence again where I explicitly say if he won the nomination and the election. I never mentioned the primary or the party stabbing him in the back. C'mon at least put some effort into reading.
zachij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:38 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe you could put more effort into replying? I asked you about your comments in regards to Trump patching up his views on gay rights. I would love for you to clarify what position of his you are referring to instead of ignoring my question and cherry picking others.
I'm not going to fill out 4 paragraphs for the 20+ replies I have.
zachij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:49 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh so just the ones you have answers for? But thats OK no worries just a quick fact or quote from him will do. Just so I dont think you are a fact twisting hysteria spreader. Cheers!
Christie was head of the transition team for months. He was appointed shortly after Trump's nomination. at the RNC.
Tylerjb4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you realize half of the country share those views and don't want to go in a progressive direction. It would "fix everything" for half of us, but make life worse for the other half. Stand by what you believe in, but never forget there are other opinions and out there and there is not a true right and wrong with almost anything
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:16:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Your history says you're 18 and it really shows. There's so much angst and misinformation in your reply that I don't even know where to begin.
What's your proof of socialism devolving into chaos? The higher standard of living that they have? Or the fact that no country is even considered to be socialist?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you not even understand what the differences are between Marxism, Maoism, and Socialism?
Edit: your second link is supposed to be of the Communist party in China but you linked to the one in Taiwan instead. Maybe we could use some more investment in our education after all, no?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a leftist who supported Bernie (and really hopes Elizabeth Warren runs one day) and, realistically, I knew the GOP was going to stonewall Bernie so hard it would make Obama cringe. I mean, Bernie is an out socialist and look at all the shit Obama got because people merely thought he could be one.
He isn't the cure the GOP needs to stop being a fucking brick wall to progress, it has to be Trump. Here is a guy who ran for the GOP nomination without the party's consent, fired up their pissed-off base (when no one else could) and is likely going to do whatever he wants. The congressional GOP is going to freak out once Trump's concrete platform materializes and maybe someone will rise out of the ashes who works with Dems. I hope.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is the most likely to work with Dems I mean just look at his take on Obamacare he thinks it is a failure which it was not the best laid plans. He said he was going to abolish it but in his 60 minutes interview he is keeping some very core values found in Obamacare
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:23:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have not read news in the past few hours. Has Trump picked anyone for his Cabinet yet?
Conjwa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The non-hysterical bias answer is: No. He has not picked anyone for his Cabinet yet.
His transition team is a shambles and mainly filled with people not qualified for the job but rather billionaires with only profit motives.
/r/politics has a ton of articles posted about the transition team, EPA appointments, etc. Nothing about Trump or his team's qualifications give me even a modicum of faith in their ability to govern.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally with you. Just saying that he hasn't made any "recent Cabinet appointments" - I have total faith that they will all be either unqualified, out of place or just scary.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He recently "fired" the lobbyist, or so I heard today. I plan on reading up once I get off work.
His sudden shift in ideals shows he's been very manipulative the last year and that we have no idea what to expect from him. Both of those are concerning.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:42:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The manipulation thing is crap. Hillary did the same thing, Obama did it, Bush did it, most every president ever did it. Hell, going through Hillary's emails has shown how manipulative she is.
I agree with the sudden shift part, but manipulation is how you get elected.
Your examples are all different than Trump. Most politicians, definitely including Hillary, play their positions with whatever the polls indicate people want to hear. Trump took that to the extreme though; people are suggesting that his entire presence while campaigning was a facade. Saying what people want to hear is bad but pretending to be a completely different person is straight up manipulation. It's like pretending to like a hobby to get a girl vs lying about everything about you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you read any of Hillary's emails? She only supported gay marriage because it was good for her political career. She has a pretty poor opinion on black people. Hell look at her past actions. She slut shamed anyone who said they were harassed by Bill (yes it was her husband, but she still did something awful). Her super predator speech was atrocious. And she supports Saudi despite saying she cares about women's rights, and that's manipulative as shit either way you look at it (she's lying to one group or the other).
I'm sorry, but Trump played the same game as Hillary with the same rules, and outplayed her.
What sudden shift in ideals? Replacing Christie with let's use AIDS funding to shock gays straight Pence? Or naming the head of the RNC and the head of Breitbart.com as his two most powerful advisers?
Don't be made a fool by the PR machine in Trump's transition team.
Ok fair enough. Age doesn't come through over the internet obviously. I think there's a difference between being young and exploring ideas and being an undecided voter after having actively seen 4 election cycles.
I'm glad that you're participating and actively looking to understand issues.
Homestuck reference and ASOIAF reference having a conversation, this is great
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He appointed Steve fucking bannon
Please age to be more critical of things
CDfm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's usually politicians with missions that mess things up and then go oops when the world doesn't work how they want it too. He might well surprise us.
He hasn't shifted on anything whatsoever. He appealed to the people he needed to appeal to to gain votes. Said whatever he needed to say. The vast majority of what he said while campaigning were just words, there was never any planned action behind them. He has been moderate to liberal on social issues his entire life, judging him on comments in the past 6 months is just stupid.
ktappe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A person is who they surround themselves with. Mr. Trump is not selecting very nice people for his transition team.
TR4VlS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm totally on board with you. Very cautious of his character, but awkwardly optimistic I guess.
LOOK AT WHO HIS PICKS FOR HIS CABINET ARE. you are fooling yourself. Wall Street execs, climate change deniers, and his own family. You think he gives a damn about the people who voted him in? He's laughing at how hard he just conned America.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not gonna lie, I feel like he might actually be a pretty good president with his sudden shift in ideals.
The problem is, his ideals might shift right the fuck back. Especially when you look at the cabinet he's appointing.
America has no idea who they elected. Literally no one can tell you exactly what this man will do.
Derwos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand some of his ideas. Some of them are good. Others sound half-baked and stupid.
There's one very simple reason that he won't be a good president: he's a textbook grandiose narcissist. By definition he cannot work well with others.
Seriously, google it. I worked for a wealthy narcissist for a year. He was a disaster of a human being despite having had success in business. He went to the same business school as Trump, coincidentally, and almost got kicked out. He would fly into a rage, fire off emails without thinking about the consequences, then try to pass it off as management. He would recount with pride the time a co-worker spit in his face, and tell us we needed to toughen up...
When you have this pathology, you are totally predictable. Input X always yields output Y.
GNs are adults with the psyche of a 5-yo. They are pathologically insecure and incapable of stepping into someone else's shoes -- which, I'd argue, is essential for competent leadership.
Of course I hope for the best, but it's impossible to deny that this is his diagnosis. Knowing that, we can reliably predict how he will "lead." It won't be pretty.
tnoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does a sudden shift in ideals sound like a good president to you?
Levitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll wait to see the kind of thing he does to be honest.
No 'he thinks X', no 'he said Y', I'll just wait and see, I've got 4 years, and a preemptive opinion isn't going to matter, I'll just wait and see.
Do you realise that he's asked for his son-in-law to be given security clearance to attend his briefings? I don't think that he gets that nepotism is bad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is flip-flopping a good quality now?
monsto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to Putin, I described a meeting of the two as "A former officer in the KGB sitting across the table from the Chief Marketing Officer of a mildly successful corporation".
After watching that video, I decided that my description of Trump was reasonably accurate... and then he brought his marketing experience to bear during the campaign.
If that is truly the case, then he is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. He entered an arena that he knew nothing about, opened a playbook that his opponents knew nothing about, and then stuck to that plan for well over a calendar year. He made everyone else play his game instead of him playing their game.
Granted, people think he's an utter moron, but if he's as informed and politically strategic as your average 3 term representative, then a lot of people are going to make the same mistake Hillary did and greatly underestimate him.
The question is "what is he going to do with this stealth power?" Is he going to demand other countries build walls and walk back climate change agreements? Or is he going to settle Syria and reduce the trade deficit?
Like being xenophobic and against minority rights? You understand that? Understand defending Planned Parenthood and leaving kids without health coverage?
I believed that at first too. We finally got that pivot we were waiting for. However, have you seen what his cabinet is looking like? That is even scarier in my opinion.
Don't pay attention to what he says, look at what he does. Right now he's appointing staff and his supreme Court nomination, and his supreme court pick wants to make gay sex illegal. And don't get me started on Pence.
Don't listen to what he says, look at what he does. His policy advisors and prospective cabinet picks so far are fucking terribad. The big news today in /r/politics was an article in the UK Independent talking about Trump's team discussing a Muslim registry ffs.
VriskyS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To quote Mandy Rice-Davies, "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" And given his track record with honesty, I'm more inclined to believe NBC News than his protestations on Twitter.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump knows exactly what he's doing, campaign Trump is vastly different from campaign trump. He literally wrote a book on how to manipulate the media.
kcg5 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:44:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally believable, not the assholeish type response we all expected. Well done, Donald.
[deleted] ยท 260 points ยท Posted at 21:33:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Dad met him at one of his golf courses, he was just walking around, walked up to my Dad and his friends, they asked him for a picture and he was glad to do it. My Dad described him as one of the nicest people he's met, and he's met some pretty cool people.
[deleted] ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 22:01:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use to work at Shea Stadium (NY Mets). Trump came in with another guy. Couldn't have been nicer.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:20:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make Mets Great Again! sigh
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:29:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's great idea for a hat.
Tufflaw ยท 1535 points ยท Posted at 17:43:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe 23 years ago I was taking a class in college where we had to go to a city planning meeting. The one I went to they were discussing some Trump project, and many of the locals were unhappy about it. So there's some talking and arguing, and then Trump walks in. It was a crowded room but everyone realized when he came in. One thing I noticed was how big he was - not fat, just like larger than life. He's tall, but there was something about him that made him seem even bigger.
Anyway, at one point some lady was literally screaming right at him and he was standing there not even looking at her, it was hilarious.
So I had the opportunity to go up to him and ask him to autograph a copy of the meeting agenda. I gave him my pen, which was weirdly designed. It had a cap on it, but the bottom had a silver thing that looked like a button but wasn't. So he's pushing it like it's a button and can't get the pen to work, so I took the cap off and he signed the agenda. This was pre-Apprentice, so no "you're fired" just his name. And then I lost his autograph almost immediately. And that's my story.
I think he's saying that at this point in time, Regan will still be the oldest president because he was 77 by the end of his second term.
Regan was younger when first elected, but he is still the oldest president we have ever had to date.
Dinkir9 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:53:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm not mistaken he's also the wealthiest president ever elected.
So if Trump gets reelected he'll be the oldest president in history? I swear neither him or Reagan looked like they were that old, Reagan a little bit, but Trump looks 55-60. Not 70!
I don't think he does. And even if anybody agrees... he hasn't been in politics for long, and that changes your looks quickly.
rdogg4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh no he means Trump older than Reagan was when he was elected in 1980. However Reagan was also (re)elected in 84 at 73 years old, making him the oldest man to be elected President.
That's exactly what I said in different words. haha
rdogg4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's close but because the distinction is age at election not when they left office. Plenty of presidents were older than Donald by the time they left office. Donald is the oldest to be become president. Reagan was 73 in 84, making him the oldest to be elected to the president.
gozzling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as I realized I didn't know how it works I just stopped. Kudos to you for actually figuring it out. :)
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Considering he was in show business before the election , it's possible he used plastic surgery or botox. Thats not an attack on Trump, that's just a common thing in show business.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no no... he looks early 70s, but he has the energy of someone much younger... whether you agree with him or not, he did a lot of rallies and campaigning.
Age wouldn't have been an issue for Bernie, I don't think, but the optics of it look bad, unfortunately.
dstaller ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:23:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it wouldn't have been an issue. Thing is that didn't stop it from being one of the most used excuses from ignorant people on why he shouldn't have been president. "Oh he'll be dead before he finishes his term"
I swear, he and my mom are on the same "three hours a night" sleep schedule.
I wish my brother had never taught the woman to text. I've told her I use my phone as an alarm for work, but that doesn't stop her from texting me at like 4:30 in the morning to let me know we're expected to bring dip and rolls to Thanksgiving. Uh, thanks, Mom, but honestly that info could have waited until I get up at seven.
Tufflaw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:43:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teach her how to schedule texts
Xearoii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:58:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My theory is that "stamina" is why he kept moving during the second (town hall style) debate while Hillary kept retreating to lean on her chair. He literally did not stop moving the entire 90 minutes. It made him appear vital (if you're a conservative) or a creepy prowler (if you're a liberal).
Seems like Hillary was out of gas from the primaries, didn't she dump a ton of appearances and then there was the van incident even still.
jrd5497 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:12:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As people said, Hillary is only a year and a half younger, and for his age, President-Elect Trump has an energy that other candidates didn't. coughJebBushcough
Anonymo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:27:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Jeb is a big fat mess
jrd5497 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda liked him.
But I didn't vote for him because I believe that if your immediate family (spouse, father, brother, etc.) served as POTUS, you should be barred from it.
Y'know, the big issue with Yeb! is that I never really got the impression he wanted to be president. He just kinda got shoved onstage because it was expected of him.
He seems like a genuinely nice guy, though.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:25:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In an alternate universe Jeb Bush won in 2000 and George W lost the primaries in 2016.
As a result, Harambe didn't get 11'00 votes in the general election - they instead went to Giant Meteor, as a result, the Giant Meteor qualified for automatic ballot access in several states.
Uehm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's Jeb!
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I agree, but having money to fix your teeth for example (which is very expensive) also helps big time to look better. I think Trump invests a lot of time and money in his appearence, don't you think? And he wants to look tanned all the time, which looks orange, but still.
I don't knock him for it, I like to have a tan myself. His does look a bit orange and unnatural, that's all I'm saying. I don't blame the guy for trying to look better.
Cause Hillary is a year younger and Sanders is five years older.
It is interesting though. Early in the primaries I was talking to a buddy and commented on how odd it was that nobody was talking about their age (Trump/Clinton/Sanders), whereas in '96 all you heard about was how old Dole was. I realize that it had everything to do with the age discrepancy between Dole and Clinton, but it was often brought up if Dole could/would make it through his term if elected.
bg-j38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny, I remember people saying how crazy it was that we'd elect a 69 year old back when Reagan was elected. To me of course being a little kid that sounded extremely old. But these days 69 really isn't considered particularly old in many circles.
Don't forget, the healthiest at the time of taking office as well, according to the totally legit doctor who is in a line of succession of father son doctors who the trump men go to. So essentially this legit doctor was somehow acutely aware (for one example) of Barack Obama's physical health in 2008 and thinks Donald is doing better in his 70s and totally doesn't have to worry about that genetic Alzheimer's his dad had around this age.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not president yet. Someone may blow his shins off
Tufflaw ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:53:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez I knew Lincoln was first because he was a bit of a freak, but Washington and Jefferson were big guys for their time. I wasn't expecting them to be the same height as me.
Go look at any office setting or factory. Managers and supervisors are always the tall ones. People just like to follow others they can literally look up to.
He's not 6'3" any more, probably closer to 6'1". You lose height with age, and he doesn't particularly stand out as being tall in photographs with other people.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:47:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I had no idea he was that tall! I had to see it for myself, damn!
I think people don't really notice it on TV. He's often seen with Melania or Ivanka, both of whom are tall (both about 5'9"-5'10"?) and who pretty much always wear heels, so he doesn't look that much taller.
yumcake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:49:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I always pictured him as being around 5'8 or so. Probably for the exact reason you just stated, he's standing next to tall women in heels and most women average around 5'5-5'6.
George Washington is seven feet tall; kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.
odaeyss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6'8 weights a fucking ton
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Six foot 20 and killing for fun
bvcxy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Washington was 6'3-and-a-half when they measured him for his coffin. He was another person who was said to have a commanding presence, that folks would notice when he walked into a room.
He was 6'2 in his prime, shorter now. Google him next to Mark Sanchez who is measured at 6'2
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah trump is very tall and he wears big suits too that are not tight .. on screen they make him seem short
Volucre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The reason Trump got away with his "little Marco" comments was that Trump is a giant and made Marco Rubio look like a midget -- even though Rubio is actually just a normal guy at around 5'10".
I worked as a waiter while they were filming an apprentice episode at one of his golf clubs in NY. I'm 6'3", to OPs point, there's something about him that made him seem way taller than me (I had walked by him a few times). I could've sworn he was 6'5" until I had looked it up.
Can I ask what his level of fame was like 23 years ago and what was he known for? Or was it just always being rich?
Tufflaw ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:17:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah pretty much just for being rich, having buildings/casinos with his name on it. I seem to recall he was in the paper a lot for his lifestyle and romantic entanglements.
One thing I noticed was how big he was - not fat, just like larger than life. He's tall, but there was something about him that made him seem even bigger.
I wondered about his physical size when I saw him next to Hillary. I know she's petite. I would like to see him next to Bill, who's a sizeable dude, just for scale. (I'm curious about irrelevancies like that.)
Except silver instead of gold, and the thing on the bottom was a little more pronounced so it looked like you could push it. It was a promotional thing I got at an Omega watch seminar. Good pen.
I don't feel like you're providing real solid advice.
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ilumlia ยท 274 points ยท Posted at 21:01:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in commercial real estate and my boss structured a deal on behalf of Trump.
He called and demanded he speak with Donald and that if he isn't put through immediately she (the assistant) would be looking for a new job in the New York Times tomorrow morning.
The Don got on the line and when my boss pitched him, Trump laughed and loved the tenacity. We met him (I took notes at the meeting) and he was very nice and we ended up working for him, he beat us up on our fee but 99% of our clients do. Overall pleasant experience and a well spoken man when speaking about real estate.
I've met him on the street before and I asked for a picture which he happily did. But what sucks it was on one of those cheap cameras that are yellow and I left it in the airport on the way home. So sadly that picture is lost now
Some years ago, I worked on a live TV talk show where Trump was a fairly regular guest.
He liked coming on to expound on business / economics / politics almost at will, and he liked that we were live, with no sneaky post-production editing that might twist his words.
In return, we, the staff, liked having him on, because for us it was basically a night off. Minimal research, no prep. The show basically ran on autopilot and our ratings with Trump were always good.
Trump was what the talk biz calls a "great guest" -- and that's a small pool of people. You'd be surprised how many big stars are terrible guests. Great guests can answer a curveball question on the fly, don't have to have everything scripted in advance, contribute energy to the show... they know their job is to say something provocative to help the show roll forward and assist the host. Trump was all of that.
And -- these were pre-Apprentice days -- he was never anything but friendly and accessible to the show staff. In retrospect he was using us, and all media, to elevate his visibility and star status to the point where he'd be eligible to host an Apprentice-echelon show of his own, but still. We would chat in the makeup room about the state of the financial markets and whether we small fry should pull back or double down. He was always pleasant. Not at all the snarling, babbling cartoon man I started seeing at campaign rallies last year.
EDIT to fix a couple of typos.
cinepro ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:29:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know what you mean about the different kinds of guests. Whenever I see Brad Pitt or Harrison Ford on a talk show, I feel so sorry for the hosts.
cinepro ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:48:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's just a terrible interview subject. Lots of short answers, mumbling, and odd jokes that aren't really funny but everyone laughs because it's him. Same with Brad Pitt.
Good actors (and probably really nice in person), but just excruciating on talk shows.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:56 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As weird as it's going to sound....they probably don't like to be on camera.
Sure, they act on the big screen, but they know what they're doing, they're immersing themselves in character. But talk about themselves to the world? Nope.
Well, the media didn't make up his rally behavior, like telling fans to beat the crap out of protestors or imitating the reporter with the disability - that was real. But it was totally disconnected from the private, real Trump I encountered. The question for me is: did he deliberately, knowingly put on that rally persona to whip up the crowd? Or did the crowd whip him up and cause some kind of werewolf transformation?
Anyway the media has been determined to drive the narrative that Trump is a cruel and unhinged asshole 24/7, but this whole thread provides dozens of examples to the contrary.
monkeiboi ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:00:59 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should really take a look at this.
Trump wasn't mocking the reporter for having a disability, he was using a physical mannerism that he commonly used to mock someone. He's even said that he didn't really remember the reporter or know the guy even had a disability.
Mainstream media has been feeding you this altered, edited, twisted persona of Donald Trump as this horrible racist, sexist, maniac.
Seriously. If nothing else, you have to admit that they flat out lied about how serious his chances were as a candidate, that he had virtually NO CHANCE OF winning the election. He didn't just win...he completely and utterly blew Clinton out of the water in a landslide 306-232 electoral college victory. Thats hhhuuuugggggeeee. No candidate has won with those margins for a generation. Theres no way that any respectable news organization could have "accidentally" gotten it that wrong. How do you NOT question the rest of the narrative you've been told?
A 70 vote electoral majority is a below average margin historically.
827753 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:37 on December 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't just win...he completely and utterly blew Clinton out of the water in a landslide 306-232 electoral college victory. Thats hhhuuuugggggeeee. No candidate has won with those margins for a generation.
I feel that it's a multi-part answer. The crowd feeds of him being wild, he responds to the crowd eating it up. So there's a bit of a feedback loop going on.
There are things he knows will get the crowd riled up, so he says them. These are the points of view that is the base of his support...building a wall (that Mexico) will pay for, Crooked Hillary, Repeal and Replace Obamacare, and many more. He absolutely has multiple faces he puts on though. But so do many folks! Do I sound the same when I'm:
talking to my grandparents
talking to my boss
at a football game
talking to children
teaching a peer how to do a task
assisting a random user at work
assisting a (division/regional) president at work
ordering food at a restaurant
drinking and hanging out with friends in private
drinking and hanging out with friends in public
No, the way I talk, or talk to others in most of these situations will vary. Also, Trump is well aware that by talking the way he has, he'll get publicity. He'll get interview requests by news media constantly, so they can nail him about something he said. But whether they do or not, it also gives him an opportunity to discuss things important to him, to an audience that didn't go to or watch his rallies. And now...he won the election, and is due to be our next president.
Tonight Show isn't live (or at least hasn't been in a long time).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:09 on February 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came to this thread 2 months late but this sounds a lot like Larry King. He was a frequent guest of King's and while he's not on CNN anymore he still has a show on Ora.
cool story fam. But why the FUCK do people put in "EDIT fixed spelling mistake", who gives a fuck, it's a waste of space. Just edit the mistakes and leave it be fam. This is to everyone, not just you
Because Reddiquette dictates that when you revise a post, causing the asterisk ro appear, it's polite to tip people to what you did, whether you made your tenses agree or yanked out 1000 words.
If you yanked out 1000 words then i agree an explanation is good, if it's not a brand new.comment. but for letters and commas? Reddiquette needs some common sense fa.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You state what you did, so that they know why it's there, instead of wondering "hmmm did that guy drastically alter his post or does he just not know how to spell?"
I used to work at one of Trumps golf courses as a superintendent, so I know him on a personal level.
He expects the best, nothing less, that's it.
He bought the nicest house in the neighborhood, he paid for the only condo that overlooks the course.
He beat one of his golf pro's in a round of golf, so he fired him.
He wanted to re-do the greens and people told him to just put a sand cap, no we're blowing them all the way up and doing it right.
He's a friendly guy, he loves diet coke, and he would literally hand you a fat stack of cash if he saw you were working hard. Some of my guys on the crew were handed 100 dollars cause he saw them sweating and working hard.
My work had to film Donald at Trump Tower, as we do every year, for an major event we have. He's part of a large group of famous people welcoming a group of athletes to an event. (I'm being vague on purpose).
Anyways it was myself and 2 of my coworkers. We set up in a conference room, and then waited. He came in, shook all of our hands and welcomed us, said "Let's do this" and then knocked out his lines. Then he asked if he could do a special message to one particular person. We obliged and he was very nice in his message. Afterwards he came up to me and asked if he could watch it back to make sure it was okay. I played it down for him, and he patted me on the back, told me I did a good job, thanked all of us, and walked out. He announced his presidency bid shortly afterwards and we never used any of what we did for corporate reasons.
He was honestly very cordial and pleasant to deal with. I've met some real jerks along the way in my line of work, and I'd say Mr. Trump was one of the nicer ones I've met.
Macabilly ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 00:06:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was about 10 at a golf club. I was eating lunch with my father and Don came over, scruffed-up my hair and said I was a good looking kid.
I was in NYC visiting family when I took a walk through central park and I sat down at a bench with a couple sodas. I'm relaxing with some music admiring all the good times people are having and I feel someone sit down next to me breathing a little hard, like they just took a really long walk or something. I turn and it's actually the Don. He asks if he could have a Coke because he was kinda thirsty so I gave him one of mine.
We talk for like, 2-3 minutes when a guy comes up behind him and whispers something in his ear and he says he has to go and hands me a 20 and told me something like "If you need something, don't be afraid to jump at an opportunity". The whole time I'm just kinda sitting there starstruck like what just happened.
Everybody was turning their heads when he walked to his car with the other guy and a few were looking at me like I was a somebody and I'm just sitting there confused about everything.
He seemed like a reserved guy, pretty chill and he had a love for that park because he talked about how he took his kids there a lot when they were younger.
Edit: a word, curse you autocorrect
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This. The first thing that came to my kind was some hilarious sitcom situation. FBI is on the mysterious case as they follow him to the park, sits down with a random man who gives him a bottle in exchange for money. Why would he do that. There has to be something going on here. It's just too random.
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"Anonymous online source confirms Donald Trump bought coke from them in central park years ago; Spoke of how he enjoyed bringing his children along." - One of tonights headlines on CNN
To be honest with you, I'd believe it (not the children part maybe, but the coke part, absolutely 100% would believe). However, I know lots of people who do coke (not me... doesn't really work right for some reason) and I kind of feel like, who cares? If you're not a crazed addict who lets it ruin your life, then basically, this story is about as bad as saying "TRUMP ONCE BOUGHT A BOTTLE OF BEER FROM ME OMGGGGGG."
Money's been touched by dozens if not hundreds of people. Packaged goods like a bottle of coke have probably only been touched by a few people. You're taking the same risk when you get KFC or whatever other fast food.
Sometimes people do things contrary to your expectations. Sometimes people make stuff up. Believe what you will just remember being skeptical doesn't mean you shouldn't believe at all.
yung_iron ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:57:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I saw someone sitting on a park bench with a six pack of coca colas I'd find it pretty strange
Not necessarily to watch people, just to chill out.
ionyx ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 23:33:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's hilarious how people are getting so stuck on this one detail. WHADDYA MEAN YOU WERE JUST SITTIN THERE WITH A 6PACK OF COKE ARE YOU INSANE?!
This is exactly the case, 3-4 years ago I developed germaphobia. It doesn't have to be logical, all that matters is how "dirty" something is to the mind of the germaphobe. For example, the only things I don't feel the urge to wash my hands afterwords are the items that I consistently use on a daily basis. Those items are probably just as dirty as anything else I touch, yet in my mind I feel at ease because I was the only one to use it.
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Yeugwo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Germaphobes can have various ticks. Maybe his is money. My wife, for example, can change a baby's diaper and go eat without washing her hands no problem. However, if a bird shits on her car door, she can't open it, even if it is nowhere near the handle. She takes wide berths when walking by any car just in case there is bird shit. She's the one walking down the center of a parking lot aisle...
Im a germaphobe/OCD and I can tell you right off the bat that everyone you meet will have different "rules" or things that bother them. I havent touched cash in years and I used to have to wash my cards anytime I used them, but even for each person the rules shift with time. So I have no doubt hes a germaphobe, but that doesn't mean we'd be able to guess all his triggers/ticks or his fixes.
Just like any other phobia, germaphobia can come in different sizes. I'm afraid of spiders but I won't run away from them or do anything I can to track down every little one and get them away from my house. It's perfectly reasonable to think that he will avoid "contamination" from other people but has a limit to how far he goes in his efforts, and sometimes when you're thirsty you just gotta have a drink.
I tried to give it back to him but he kinda had this wierd expression on his face when he looked at my outstretched hand to hand him back the 20. It wasn't quite fear but it was beyond caution, like he was wary of getting sick.
I thin it's the way you've written it. It's plays out like a dream or a commercial. Just sitting there, then an angel comes and taps your on the shoulders. And leaves after tipping you some good cash. lol.
According to other comments (if they are to be believed), Trump tends to hand out money to random people. Which I find odd; kind of patronizing/presumptuous, but also kind of cool.
At first I thought the same, but by all accounts, DT really loves his sugar water, possibly to the point of addiction. (And I can personally attest--soda bottles from the food carts often come with the stench of old meat and general nastiness.)
First off, Trump just hands her a 20 like that and walks away and says some "deep" quote. It's weird considering most of the other replies in the thread talk about how he always wants and gives exact change and seems kind of a reserved guy. And Trump would just hand out a 20 like that and ask for a bottle of Coke from some stranger?
Secondly, Trump would walk in Central Park like that with guards just a couple feet away chilling with no one realizing than Donald Fucking Trump is chilling and no one attempts at stopping him to get a photo or anything and people just look at him and go "huh oh well"
Like I live 30 blocks away from Central Park and this guy means to tell me that no one has realized Trump is walking in the park chilling and no one even pays attention?
Oh my goodness, he's like one of those fairies from folklore who pretend to be poor and hungry, and then if you feed them they reward you with a gift or a wish.
kongjie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:29:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who sits at a park bench by themselves with a couple sodas?
cinepro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ABC played a clip of an old interview where Donald was flying around New York with a reporter, and as they flew over Central Park the reporter asked him if he ever wished he could have that real estate. Donald quickly said "No, it's perfect the way it is. I wouldn't touch it."
Heard this from a former coworker and I have no reason to believe this is false:
Coworkers friend is a tow truck driver in NJ. Now, in NJ, certain roadways have assigned companies that do towing, etc. well one of the notorious Jersey winters hit and he hears that there is a limo stuck on the New Jersey Turnpike. Now, he was only a couple of minutes away, but dispatch says it'll be a couple of hours as the on call company is working other issues. He decides since he is a couple miles away, he'll hope on, tow them and move on. Well the limo happens to have trump in it. Trump knows about the laws and rules for towing, says "hey, you can lose your job over this how can I repay you?" Guy says don't worry about it and forgets about it. A couple of weeks later, his wife received flowers saying thanks for helping, glad to help. Wife doesn't know what's going on. A couple days latter, they try to pay the mortgage and the company says it's already paid off. Donald Trump searched for their mortgage and paid it off. Now, this was the first time I've ever really heard of what type of guy he is, but this has always stuck with me. Hate the guy or love him, this is the one thing I remember about him.
Wow, that's amazing. I've been on this thread here for a while and have not heard one person say a bad thing about him. It's either everybody is lying or he is a genuinely nice guy.
This sounds like an urban legend. Many different stories of celebrities stuck somewhere and then paying someones mortgage. Or the Eddie Murphy getting mistaken for homeless one.
TedyCruz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like trump, but I'm not buying this one
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Snopes is mostly false. I read this it looks like there claim is that many celebrities paid people's mortgages and that Trump said it is true. Take the time to read it.
You'd think people would put a bit more effort into making the names, I don't know, not have one of them nearly 'Ivanka', spelled correctly, and the same.
bl1tzen ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:34:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think people would take the time to look up facts. Ivana was his first wife, Marla his second, Melania his third. Ivanka his daughter.
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Lostboy8 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 22:01:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad did some business with him so Trump flew him to New York from LA (my dad brought me along). I only saw him one when we went to dinner but he was seriously very kind generous and doesn't at all like the caricature he's become.
He was playing politics. He's already calmed his rhetoric dramatically. He was a Dem for most of his adult life.
Lostboy8 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:29:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly
yuube ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:53:37 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I as an independent had faith in voting for him.
yuube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:40 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I as an independent had faith in voting for him.
mlacks ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 14:51:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a trump resort in Hawaii as an entry level "service technician", which basically means janitor/ room service apprentice. I was picking up after a guest in the morning when Mr. Trump strolled by the open room with a group of people. I'm not sure who the group consisted of but they were interested in looking at the room and Trump took the opportunity to show them the room I was cleaning.
He knocked and apologized for interrupting the cleaning, and even went so far as to ask me how my day was. A man of his position, talking to someone in my position simply left me shocked. Awesome experience.
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colin8651 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 00:43:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him around 99. He sat in a seat directly in from of me at an awards thing at the mayors mansion in NYC.
His hair is gold. Not gold like it just naturally became that color, as in he went through variations with his stylist on getting the right color GOLD.
Spoke with him briefly . You can tell he wanted to get out of the event, but he spent a good 2 minutes talking with me and my family about the usual casual stuff, did not sense an ounce of "why are you talking to me. Leave me alone". Friendly, genuine smile, engaged in asking questions about us, where we were from and such.
This was around 99, no part of the conversation would have made him feel like meeting my family would improve his life in a single way. It was just a nice chat.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:59:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Met him in a private setting five and a half years ago when he was floating the idea of running for president. I asked him if he was going to run and he said politics was interesting, but his TV show was a lot more fun. He was only floating the idea to improve his ratings so he could keep doing his show.
He also mentioned during the conversation the Trump you see in public is a drastically exaggerated version of his private personality. He needed to come off as excessive to drive ratings and keep his name relevant. To that point, he did come off pretty sensible in private, but only time will tell which Trump is the real one.
It was only an hour long conversation with him and ten other people more than five years ago, but I think he ran to improve his ratings for his TV show. Then it was cancelled due to his Mexican comments and he said fuck it and just kept running. I don't think he actually wanted to become president initially, but after NBC took away the one thing he loved he decided to play for keeps.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 11:35:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single thing the media did only served to help him. It's amazing!
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beanx ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 19:52:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
when i lived in NY i worked for someone in the same socioeconomic bracket and circles as Trump. Mr. Trump's office called one day and i let my boss know that his office was calling. I forget how i said it, but my VERY, VERY wealthy, socialite boss corrected me (i was young at the time - a bit green) and said "Mr. Trump". I never forgot that. And this was a person who, at the time, was probably worth quite a bit more than Mr. Trump was (the early 90s were turbulent in real estate in NYC).
I actually got to shake his hand when I was a kid.my dad was at Trump Tower for some business,and he was going down his escalator and decided to say hi. Came off as very laid back and respectful
Yep, heard good things about her meeting people too.
What also shocked me about that years later that even though a ton of people say he's a germophob (spelling?), he didn't even hesitate to shake every one of our hands. Nice guy
I met him once. I kinda bumped into him. I was very apologetic and he was really nice about the whole thing.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 23:43:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very late, but The Trump Organization hire(d) a lot of MBA graduates with specializations in Real Estate, Finance and other areas. Recruitment from elite schools with a global reach.
He came to our school to speak and spoke very quickly (he was given 10 minutes and I think he spoke for 8). He was very approachable, quiet and engaging. He knows a lot about real estate and was keen to 'bring on' the right people. In general, my interaction with him was quick, friendly and I would say very cordial.
I didn't really interact with him that much, but he seemed like a pretty normal/nice guy to me.
I met him very briefly once back when I managed a movie theater about 10 years ago. It was an extremely busy night and lines for both box office and the concession stand were pretty long. I was walking through the lobby and he grabbed my shoulder to get my attention, introduced himself, and said he'd like to get 2 tickets to <I forget what the movie was>, and handed me $100. I grabbed him 2 tickets from the box office then went and found him in the concession line. Gave him the tickets and he thanked me and told me to keep the change.
After the fact a few of the employees who had been at that theater longer told me they had seen him in there a few times before, which kind of surprised me because at the time it was a pretty shitty place. I think the theory was that since it was kind of run down, the customers that went there might be less likely to recognize and/or bother him.
I mean, it's what he did. You're welcome to not believe me if you choose to do so.
Plurseus ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 22:49:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably too late but I'll post this anyways. While on his campaign trail, he visited Wichita, KS. Trump ended up staying at the hotel my brother managed. My brother was given a walkie talkie by the secret service and the hotel payed him a lot of money to work 24 hours and be on call to whatever Trump wanted. My brother was able to ride the elevator with Trump and said he was pretty nice but really sweaty. The only thing Trump wanted was a 5lb bag of M&M's which he finished in one night by himself.
MadBliss ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 05:00:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The level of stress eating I would have gone through if I were to ever run for president makes 5lbs of m&ms seem reasonable.
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[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 00:59:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I read it. I am blown away. Hundreds of responses and I don't think I have seen one negative one. This is like Tom Cruise level.
BAGELmode ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:00:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Tom Cruise notoriously nice?
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:12:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will literally stand outside at movie premieres signing autographs for 3 hours. Has rescued people on many occasions, like people on a boat on fire I think. And a kid who was getting crushed in a crowd at an event. Car accident? Just going by vague memories here.
BAGELmode ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:24:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there have been people on here on previous posts stating that he came across them when they were broke down with a flat tire or something in the mountains and he would stop and help them out. From what I have read, while all his Scientology stuff is batshit insane, he seems like a fairly nice guy.
Pay to play!! Ambassadorships given out like for candy!!
Sipp621 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:51:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From Wichita here.. Which hotel was this? The Broadview by chance? or The Ambassador? Just curious really.
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The ambassador, he took up the presidential suite (funny enough) which is a whole floor and the secret service took up the whole floor under him.
Sipp621 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow cool man, did your brother I believe you said, have to do anything special for all that?
Plurseus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:09:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he had to sleep on the lobby couch and if Trump wanted something the secret service would use the walkie talkie they gave him and tell him what's up. Also he was the only person in the hotel who could ride in the elevator with him because he has like a special key that makes they elevator go to whatever floor he wants without stopping on other floors. My brother supported Trump since the beginning so he was pretty excited lol. Oh and one more thing, before Trump got there like wayyyy earlier in the day, the secret service arrived and sweepers the whole building, marked every entrance and exit and told the other hotel managers that Trump wanted to stay there and that he wanted the presidential suite. Funny enough a bachelorette party already had it taken but because it was Trump, the owner called the bachelorette party and told them they had to cancel with them (they were not happy) and the owner charged Trump like triple the price for the room.
Sipp621 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha wow! Yeah I'd be mad too! But that's kind of cool, "Yeah like 5 years ago my wife's Bachelorettes party room was canceled for the president elect" ..The hotel key clearance to ride with Trump is really cool, even if you didn't vote him he's still a celeb ya know and to be able to be that important guy for a weekend is badass. Them sweeping the hotel is pretty cool, like some secret movie shit lol
Plurseus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol right?! My brother is one of those types of people who's still a child at heart so he felt all bad ass walking around the hotel lobby at like 2 in the morning waiting for a call from the secret service lol. They even showed him exits he didn't even know about. He wouldn't stop talking about it for weeks and now he has bragging rights that he was a personal servant for the president.
Sipp621 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:34 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie, I would definitely be the same way. I love that shit, I'd keep acting like it for a few weeks at my job like I was on a secret mission haha. Well thank you I really appreciate you telling me more. This is super fascinating to me
Plurseus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:21 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha I don't blame you. No problem man! I'm just happy to share a story!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:45:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His comment was removed by mods for some reason. It still shows on his user page (/u/Crimdusk)
Here's the comment for anyone wondering:
An acquaintance told me a story on new years in 2006 about how he was bidding on a property in NYC that Donald had interest in.
In summary, Donald said he wanted to meet. Stipulated the top of one of his buildings, flew in on a helicopter, took my friend inside and told him face to face to stop wasting his time on the property.
He was going to outbid him regardless, and that "this" was just a professional courtesy to keep him from wasting his time.
tldr; Donald put in a fantastic threat/bluff display and scared my acquaintance away from an investment.
I met Trump twice. Both times were at the Cadillac World Golf Championship at the National Doral in Florida. I do freelance event work and therefore was on site for the last two years of the championship.
1st time: It was after the closing ceremony, the people I was with were taking pictures and Trump walked up towards us (he was signing autographs for people, he wasn't intentionally walking to us) I remember some kid (6 or 7 yo) in a VIP suite took his dinner plate, ran to Trump and had him sign it. Thought that was funny.
Anyway, he walks up towards us, everyone asks if he could take a picture with us. At first he says he can't, then people did tried to turn around and take a selfie with Trump in the background. Finally he said, "Oh, okay!" Group photo!
2nd time. Again at the Doral, only now he is actually running for president and secret service surround him. Its the last pair at the 18th hole, I get called over the radio to assist with getting the crowd getting out of hand in one of the VIP areas. So I go up there and start getting the VIPs to get to their seats, then I stand up against the back wall. Sure enough, Trump is sitting in the second floor of seating and his foot is level with my eye. I look up, he looks at me, points at me and winks. "Huh, that's kinda cool. Trump recognized me doing my job."
I then watch as Trump does the same thing to the next three people walking by. Cool moment over.
Overall, trivial experiences, however still cool and never negative and I tell that last one as a joke when talking about trump with people. It gets a laugh the way I tell it in person.
MadBliss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:18:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is a great post. so glad you asked this question. super interesting responses
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[deleted] ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 22:24:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't there as this was a private conversation, but has been corroborated by many people in the department. As recently last Thursday the NYPD buried a SGT that was killed in the line of duty. President Elect Trump was able to get the Wife of the SGT's cellphone number and called her up to give his condolences and apologized for not being able to attend.
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Yet another one that you would hope the press will mention. But they won't. Neat to hear such a recent story.
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Totally sarcastic. I'm not a fan, but I concede this is likely a legitimate accounting of his behavior. So as much as I hate to have to concede he is not pure evil....I do so.
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[deleted] ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 23:07:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't realize that Trump is 6'3" because he hasn't really been shown in pictures standing next to anyone that isn't his wife or kids.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:29:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Melania and Ivanka are both 5'11 and they always wear heels. So on screen he doesn't seem very tall because he looks to be about the same height as his wife and daughter... but nobody realizes that those women are actually very tall.
I was at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City many years ago (late 90s) when he comes walking by one of the bar areas. He walked briskly and had a gorgeous female on his arm (not sure if it was Melania or not). All I remember is he was extremely tall and he did not want to shake hands with anyone (well documented that he is a germaphobe). He waved and acknowledged everyone and seemed very friendly. But he made sure not to shake anyone's hand and he just kept moving. But he somehow managed to make sure everyone felt acknowledged. After he was gone there was a crazy buzz at the bar and everyone felt somehow personally touched. It was surreal.
In contrast, I've seen other celebrities in the casinos and many of them are outright dicks to fans (ahem... Bobby Flay...).
A close friend of mine is on a SWAT team in Ohio that did security for him when he had a rally or something in the state. He said trump was very appreciative and kind to all members of the police force doing his security, and trump even requested to take a picture with them.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 12:57:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Trump is decently nice and a germophobe
alziebop ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 22:26:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my wife was visiting the U.S she was sitting in a restaurant with her family and Donald Trump took the table next to them.
The manager came over and said "we're honored to have you dining with us tonight Mr Trump"
At the end of the evening he asked for the bill and the manager came over to tell him it's on the house.
Then he looked over at my wife's table and said, "When you're rich and you can afford to pay people give you everything for free"
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:06:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather runs a very old manufacturing company in Ohio. They make golf tags. Donald trump orders tags from him (not in person or anything) but I know it's a big annual order that helps the business a lot. So I'll give him credit for supporting small US manufacturing
My mother's best friend is actually an executive at Trump Tower in New York. He seems to like him a lot. He was at the victory speech, and defended Trump on Facebook the next day (he got a lot of flack since people knew about where he worked, etc.) Overall I got the opinion that he really has a high respect for the man, and he believes the media has done what the media does and just taken the worst of things and plastered it everywhere.
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 23:24:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up interviews with Trump anywhere from the 90's to 2013, he was a completely different person than the media painted him out to be. I am very left in my leanings, but I actually have a lot of faith that Trump is going to do a much better job than Clinton would have done.
vitaymin ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:44:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he said he's very left
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:50 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People keep saying the media painted him a certain way. Uhhh Donald painted himself that way! They just reported it. Did the media move his mouth and make him say "grab em by the pussy?"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:13:41 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did the media explain that Hillary went out of her way to hire private investigators to dig up dirt on the women bill was sleeping with? If course not. The heads of these outlets were also top donors to her campaign, they had no reason to do this. Trump is a failure candidate and president, Clinton is a failure candidate. I'm glad she lost. I'm not happy he won. These are the choices presented to us? Could we have fucked up any more than this?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:26:53 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't about Hillary. Hillary's gone. Obama's gone. This is all Donald's doing.
But if we're going to talk about Hillary, she for starters wouldn't have created a Muslim ban, or have several executive orders coming down the pipe to abridge the rights of certain people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:37 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, she wouldn't. She did want to put a no-fly zone over Syria, which as we saw in Libya, isn't really the smartest way to avoid conflict with Russia. Russia happens to be in very good business relations with bashar al-assad and it might not be in the world's best interest to topple one of his allies. We were arming one of the 5+ factions over there by the way, some of which committing atrocities such as beheading children because they were born to the "wrong" parents. We pushed for this civil unrest to promote a West favoring leader, stripping Russia of yet another ally. Yet this step of aggression would have been a good idea? I'm very focused on a few points I deem unacceptable. This is one of them. A no-fly zone would have been disastrous globally and I couldn't bring myself to support someone who believed that was a good idea. Trump's bans and bullshit picks won't last. At most four years. We can handle four years. We can't handle push for another war with Russia.
Still just makes me think of "Grab em by the balls". Isn't that just equal treatment?
cinepro ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 00:17:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just makes me wish something really embarrassing would happen to the media. Something where they are catastrophically wrong about some huge event, and we get to watch in real-time as it plays out and they fall into grief and despair at how wrong they were.
taldarus ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:28:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
you mean, like the election?
Edit: Watch steven colbart's live thing. Totally caught off guard. Sounds about like what you want.
I am shocked an employee of Trump would not call him a POS. What would Trump do? Fire them for being disloyal. It's not like we've ever heard stories of him only hiring and promoting psycophants.
MrRogue ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:08:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We also hear of him treating everyone right down to the catering and cleaning crews really well. An alternate explanation is that an employer treats you well, and you will go to the mats for them.
โHe was playing people,โ Schwartz recalls. On the phone with business associates, Trump would flatter, bully, and occasionally get mad, but always in a calculated way. Before the discussion ended, Trump would โshare the news of his latest success,โ Schwartz says. Instead of saying goodbye at the end of a call, Trump customarily signed off with โYouโre the greatest!โ There was not a single call that Trump deemed too private for Schwartz to hear. โHe loved the attention,โ Schwartz recalls. โIf he could have had three hundred thousand people listening in, he would have been even happier.โ
This year, Schwartz has heard some argue that there must be a more thoughtful and nuanced version of Donald Trump that he is keeping in reserve for after the campaign. โThere isnโt,โ Schwartz insists. โThere is no private Trump.โ....
After hearing Trumpโs discussions about business on the phone, Schwartz asked him brief follow-up questions. He then tried to amplify the material he got from Trump by calling others involved in the deals. But their accounts often directly conflicted with Trumpโs. โLying is second nature to him,โ Schwartz said. โMore than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.โ....
Schwartz says of Trump, โHe lied strategically. He had a complete lack of conscience about it.โ Since most people are โconstrained by the truth,โ Trumpโs indifference to it โgave him a strange advantage.โ
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If Trump is elected President, he warned, โthe millions of people who voted for him and believe that he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knowsโthat he couldnโt care less about them.โ
That's what he found out after he started basically sitting in on everything Trump did at work, including listening to all of his phone calls, basically eavesdropping on his whole life (with permission) to get material for the book.
He had to do this because Trump is incapable of giving an in-depth interview:
After Trump gave him a tour of his marble-and-gilt apartment atop Trump Towerโwhich, to Schwartz, looked unlived-in, like the lobby of a hotelโthey began to talk. But the discussion was soon hobbled by what Schwartz regards as one of Trumpโs most essential characteristics: โHe has no attention span.โ
In those days, Schwartz recalls, Trump was generally affable with reporters, offering short, amusingly immodest quotes on demand. Trump had been forthcoming with him during the New York interview, but it hadnโt required much time or deep reflection. For the book, though, Trump needed to provide him with sustained, thoughtful recollections. He asked Trump to describe his childhood in detail. After sitting for only a few minutes in his suit and tie, Trump became impatient and irritable. He looked fidgety, Schwartz recalls, โlike a kindergartner who canโt sit still in a classroom.โ Even when Schwartz pressed him, Trump seemed to remember almost nothing of his youth, and made it clear that he was bored. Far more quickly than Schwartz had expected, Trump ended the meeting.
Week after week, the pattern repeated itself. Schwartz tried to limit the sessions to smaller increments of time, but Trumpโs contributions remained oddly truncated and superficial.
โTrump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesnโt seem to be fully understood,โ Schwartz told me. โItโs implicit in a lot of what people write, but itโs never explicitโor, at least, I havenโt seen it. And that is that itโs impossible to keep him focussed on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . โ Schwartz trailed off, shaking his head in amazement. He regards Trumpโs inability to concentrate as alarming in a Presidential candidate. โIf he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, itโs impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time,โ he said.
You got gold for the only negative thing I can see in 20 top comments. I don't buy Schwartz's opinion, as not only does he have incredible bias, he's jaded.
[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 02:28:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Schwartz also begged Trump to do another book but he refused. Guy is just a nut case trying to get attention by bashing Trump.
I guess the question is whether the bias and jaded-ness is a cause of or a symptom of his opinion of Trump. If Trump really is the way Schwartz describes him, I think that's enough to bias any sane person against him if they spend enough time around him.
It certainly doesn't hurt Schwartz' credibility that Trump reacted exactly the way you'd predict if you believe Schwartz: He threatened Schwartz with a lawsuit, because of course he did:
Jason D. Greenblatt, the general counsel and vice-president of the Trump Organization, issued a threatening cease-and-desist letter to Schwartz. (You can read the full letter at the bottom of this post.) In it, Greenblatt accuses Schwartzโwho has likened his writing of the flattering book to putting โlipstick on a pigโโof making โdefamatory statementsโ about the Republican nominee and claiming that he, not Trump, wrote the book, โthereby exposingโ himself to โliability for damages and other tortious harm.โ
Greenblatt demands that Schwartz send โa certified check made payable to Mr. Trumpโ for all of the royalties he had earned on the book, along with Schwartzโs half of the bookโs five-hundred-thousand-dollar advance. (The memoir has sold approximately a million copies, earning Trump and Schwartz each several million dollars.) Greenblatt also orders Schwartz to issue โa written statement retracting your defamatory statements,โ and to offer written assurances that he will not โgenerate or disseminateโ any further โbaseless accusationsโ about Trump.
On Thursday, reached by e-mail on an airplane, Schwartz said that he would continue to speak out against Trump, and that he would make no retractions or apologies. โThe fact that Trump would take time out of convention week to worry about a critic is evidence to me not only of how thin-skinned he is, but also of how misplaced his priorities are,โ Schwartz wrote. He added, โIt is axiomatic that when Trump feels attacked, he will strike back. Thatโs precisely whatโs so frightening about his becoming president.โ
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As McNamara notes, Greenblattโs letter does not actually refute Schwartzโs claim that he, not Trump, wrote the book.
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Greenblatt does not acknowledge that when Trump asked Schwartz to co-author a sequel to โThe Art of the Deal,โ Schwartz rejected the offer. Greenblattโs letter claims that Schwartz has โpleaded with Mr. Trump to provide you with more work.โ
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โI fully expected him to attack me, because that is what he does, so I canโt say I am surprised,โ Schwartz noted. โBut Iโm much more worried about his becoming president than I am about anything he might try to do to me.โ
Someone should inform Trump (and his legal team) that the truth is a complete defense against accusations of libel and slander -- that is, unlike in some countries, you cannot win a lawsuit against someone for saying mean things about you unless you can prove that what they said was actually untrue.
...though I get the feeling that they know that, and they're counting on the fact that most people will back down from a lawsuit like this, not because they'd lose, but because they can't afford the time, effort, and legal fees needed to win.
mieksol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... so, my immediate reaction after reading this is that most of the people here are describing relatively superficial interactions with Trump.
Psychopaths are often described as being very superficially charming. People like them and are often surprised by what happens later, after they have a more significant relationship. I guess this would be consistent with that.
Note that I'm not saying Trump is a psychopath. I don't know him personally. I'm just saying that there is a difference between superficial interactions and deeper, more involved ones, and they're sometimes extremely important.
I know I'm very late, but I wanted to give my thoughts on this.
I have a family member who is low key a hugely successful national business man. A lot of the stories I am reading about trump in this thread are so familiar. Any of them could be about my family member. The way they lock into people during conversation, they way they maneuver through business deals, the calculated demeanor (I will say an exception is that I have never heard/heard of my family member being dishonest to get a deal done, he prides himself very much in his honesty and integrity).
I don't think it has anything to do with being a psychopath. People like this are hard workers, because they enjoy working, they enjoy finding deals and solving problems. They value their time at such a high level, that every move is accounted for (i know that my family member generated around $500/hr at one point, I don't know anymore, but he didn't waste any time when working).
My family member isn't just pretend genuine when he talks to people, nor is he pretend short with people when working, he turns everything he does up to eleven and is very intense and intimidating. It shows in every aspect of his life, he is an amazing woodworker and makes awesome furniture and such in his free time, he is an excellent cook, he reads a book every two weeks, he makes time for anyone who needs it and will help them solve their problem.
I don't know how I feel about a trump presidency, but I do know that reading all these stories gives the impression that he is very similar to my family member.
Just my two cents.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Psycopath is not considered an actual mental disorder now, It's anti-social disorder.
That is interesting, because I thought that (the way he was described in the last paragraph) was exactly how he looked when meeting with Pres. Obama. Like my 12 yr old when we go to visit my grandma -- vacillating between trying to pay attention and wondering when this was going to be over. Trump was fidgety, looking at the floor, etc. Weird body language, I thought.
[deleted] ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 23:16:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people who claim to know him personally and have worked with him like Penn Jillette and Jesse Ventura have all said basically: He's a very smart man and they think what he's saying is crazy and wrong but have no doubt that he knows what he's doing and is very good at it.
And then he continued to say outlandish things until election night. These stories make him seem like a nice guy to interact with, but that doesn't excuse his campaign rhetoric, and it doesn't excuse him not paying contractors.
It's no excuse that he used shock jock/reality tv show shock tactics to get attention to be the nation's president. It was disgusting and unethical behavior he displayed during his campaign, and there is NO EXCUSE for it, media manipulation aside. He is the only one who said and did the things he said and did- he openly mocked a retarded journalist because the guy said negative things about him- that is not okay behavior, especially for someone seeking the highest office in the land.
The excuse seems obvious... it's what people respond to. He won the election after all... so he simply gave people what they wanted. Hardly seems like one needs an excuse to do that does it?
Here's what I don't get. I believe you about him being so mentally present, and I have no doubt a lot of things he did were for the sole purpose of attention. But some of them just didn't help him in any way whatsoever. He could have had a commanding lead over Clinton for most of the election based solely on her scandals alone.
He's either a manipulator or a temperamental child. Could he be both?
The polls that ended up being the most accurate throughout the general DID have him ahead most of the time....so it's possible he held a commanding lead over Clinton for most of the election based solely on her scandals alone, as you said.
So many of the polls were just outright lies designed to create reality, not reflect it.
I like calling it the greatest con job ever (in a positive way). He saw the opportunity and took it and....won the Presidency.
iwannaart ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:09:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You simply don't get that rich being stupid.
Psshh, according to Reddit if you have a few million dollars to start it is super easy to make many billions, which is why all millionaires inevitably become billionaires.
Something about 200 million in net assets and treasury bills over 40 years... never mind that assets includes liabilities and many non-current (cash) accounts that can't be dumped and invested right away.
It was all bullshit. You don't become a billionaire by being an idiot.
I have no doubt at some point in some future conversation he'd recall, oh yeah I've heard that traffic on the Merritt southbound isn't too bad Saturday afternoons in August.
I've heard stories about a lot of successful people like presidents and CEOs who keep notes for this purpose so they can come off as more personable. Like after talking to you they might jot down "just graduated with engineering degree, bought a cat 'sprinkles', hates kids". Then maybe 3 years later then are to meet with you and look at your file first and when they see you are like, "Ah, so how's sprinkles? ... Oh that's good, you were smart: when my kids are a handful I wish I had just stuck with a cat like you!" Boom. You think they're so kind for remembering and might not even realize things like the latter statement are targeted around things you forgot you told them. Schmoozey charisma. But this probably doesn't apply to random people they talked to for only a minute.
Another thing I have no doubt about is that a lot of his election missteps (not all of course) were clear media manipulation and were solely plays to get attention. He definitely stuck me as being far too thoughtful to slip up in as many ways as it seemed he did. You simply don't get that rich being stupid.
Agree 100%. I don't like Trump, but realize he is smarter than he acts. We need to stop taking him literally.
gopms ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:37:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree he did and said a lot of things for the attention but you very much can get that rich and be stupid especially when your dad hands you the money.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
were clear media manipulation
Quoting his own words is media manipulation?
Flope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:35:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the quote looks like this: "[Mexicans] are .. rapists .. !"
There is a lot of room for artsy manipulation.
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sennaone ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 21:47:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friends lived in his building. Back in 2010 i brought my parents and brother w/ his wife who was preggers to see my buddies place. We walk in get into elevator and he comes in after us. I have seen him in building quite a few times and he says Hello. Looks over at my sister in law says " how far along" she replied 5 mths " DT " wow congrats do you know what it will be? " sis "a boy" DT " That's great " Sis " ohh he's kicking now you want to feel?" DT "sure thing :rubs her belly " he was super nice.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 00:53:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I almost feel like this is a big prank. Every answer I have read is positive and now I'm reading that he can guess that a woman is preggo without being wrong. Move over Chuck Norris.
I knew someone with a metabolism disorder who had a distended belly that was almost indistinguishable from a real pregnant belly. Poor woman.
Spinolio ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:24:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That is a gutsy move. You NEVER ask a woman how far along she is unless you actually see a baby emerging from her body, lest you make a horrible faux pas...
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:47:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some women its real damn obvious they're pregnant.
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Some women its real damn obvious they're pregnant.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:48:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes it's very obvious. My neighbor is on pregnancy #5 and every time she's been pregnant it's unmistakable, she looks like she has a basketball taped to her stomach. The thing is, you should never ever remark unless it is one of those situations where the pregnancy is 100% obvious.
I worked at one of his resorts last year. I interacted with his whole family consistently and (some) of them were always really nice. Only saw him a handful of times just coming by the pool to shake hands and gather massive amounts of ice cream or at banquets I worked at the golf course. The only time he spoke to me I was monitoring the buffet to keep it full. He walked in with a hamburger on his plate, turned to me and asked "Where can I get some french fries?" I pointed to the french fries.
I also know people he personally defrauded for contractor work, but that's neither here nor there. The only thing I can attest to with my own eyes is that he eats like a 12 year-old me.
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You could have enough money to eat 5 star food every day, but some days you just want some shitty pizza, ice cream, and a soda.
Tsevion ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:18:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well given that Berkshire Hathaway owns a decent chunk of Coca-Cola (~10%) and Dairy Queen is a wholely owned Subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, I'm guessing he's just putting his mouth where his money is.
โEverybody owns a piece of Coke. Whatโs great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coca Cola, Liz Taylor drinks Coca Cola, and just think, you can drink Coca Cola, too. A coke is a coke and no amount of money can get you a better coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the cokes are the same and all the cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it.โ
Heck, I've been to Buffet's favorite resteraunt in Omaha, and unless you're buying, like, the top cut of prime rib, the prices were cheaper than the Outback.
[deleted] ยท 324 points ยท Posted at 18:55:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also know people he personally defrauded for contractor work
One of the doctors I work with also confirmed this. He regularily reviews golf courses on the side and apparently some of the managers at the resorts owned by Trump have said the same thing. He doesn't always pay contractors for work they do at his resorts.
I think that may be an oversimplification of the situation, similarly to when they accuse him of not paying taxes. I mean, yeah he didn't pay taxes, but he didn't have to. I have to believe that there was some legal reason he didn't pay the contractors, or else legal trouble would have come about.
[deleted] ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 21:00:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they probably just did a shitty job.
aussydog ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 21:12:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I work in construction and this is a pretty regular thing. A contractor might be doing a job for us and will send us a bill for work done. We then inspect the work and find a shit-ton of discrepencies. The work isn't completed so we're not liable to pay until it's completely finished. The contractor doesn't want to come back to the site so usually will put a lean lien on the property and demand payment. Then it goes to a third party and yadda yadda yadda. Eventually the work might get finished, but in a lot of cases, with shitty contractors, they will just walk from the job and eat the loss.
you are simplifying it a bit. in some instances they may have done half the work and gotten paid for 3/4 so they don't care. in others they blew the job off and are way past deadlines, or fucked it up to the point they are not allowed to finish it and someone else has already been hired. in other cases they just bid planning on a 4 week job becoming a 12 week one and they do this with all jobs. this or its not something easily fixable. say they quoted certain materials and installed cheaper ones.
some property owners surely suck in regards to this, but there are literally books written about how to manage contractors and not get ripped off. simply put, a lot of them are really really bad. a not small minority will go in with the plan to get a job, do it as shit as possible and as cheap as humanly possible, then they know they won't get the final payment. they don't care, they will lien it knowing it will probably get some payment to avoid that head ache.
I work in cre. I've seen people pay the same bullshit liens to contractors twice or pay for obvious scam jobs just because they need to refi or are selling and it's frankly easier to get scammed for 5k than fuck up millions worth of financing or proceeds from sale.
this is one of those property and development 101 things that as soon as people get started they are like "Holy shit how do you keep from getting constantly fucked by contractors?" because it is so common everyone runs into it non stop.
not to say trump does or doesn't stiff contractors, but no one who has been in re more than a few years is going to have every contractor go smooth
It really goes both ways, shitty contractors, shitty clients, either one really. I work in the design side dealing with contractors trying to nickle and dime us on a daily basis for this little thing and that, but I've also had to deal with taking over a shitty architect's job after the client fired them and saw what a mess that can be as well.
At the end the good clients and architects will work with the good contractors to get these things fixed, or sign off on things that really aren't the fault of the contractor (sometimes it's the architect with poor drawings that leave things open to interpretation)
The shitty clients will deny everything and ask for everything to be done to some stupid degree of perfection that can never be achieved, the shitty contractors give a low bid, then will scour every single tiny little piece of the contract documents to find any tiny little piece of missing information that they can add charges too, saying "sorry we didn't bid that, that'll be extra" (that's the nickle and diming). Then there are the shitty architects who promise one thing and design something completely different and completely mess up the code research or some other stupidly important thing.
For jobs of the typical scale of a Trump project there are usually only a couple of contractors large enough to handle the build in a given region.
Trump definitely is not picking the plumbers or carpenters et al individually, or paying those trades directly, that is the contractors responsibility. Under-bidding to get the job and then over-working under-paying the trades to make more profit personally is a contractor trademark. One of thousands of typical scenarios is design calls for a room to be painted blue. Painters paint it blue and get paid as per their contract with the contractor. Then the architect wants it a different shade of blue. Painters are told to (in my area it's called "slips") keep a running tally of their overages to get the paint color right. At the end of the job the painter goes to the contractor with overages totaling $100. Contractor says "oh no, I can't pay that, Ill give you $30". That's when the fun starts. If you extrapolate my simplistic example into a multi-billion dollar project typical of a Trump development, there is a lot of bad blood flowing at the end.
Add that major construction has been a source of corruption since forever, the Big Dig in Boston should have had a fence put around it and everyone arrested, and it stands to reason that lawsuits are not only common but expected.
Edit: No one went to prison after the Big Dig because us taxpayers paid the bill. A private developer like Trump is not as soft as the government.
What /u/aussydog is failing to mention is that very often a contractor will get told that they've done a shitty job, or that something isn't right when really what is happening is that the client is trying to screw them on the job. A big part of the problem is that small contractors often work on word of mouth or with very very simple contracts, so it's easy for them to get screwed and pushed around. They don't often know how to fight these things, and often the time is worth more spent elsewhere on new contracts.
aussydog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:11:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Respectfully; everytime this has happened to my company the contractor was in the wrong. Every single time. When you're building something that's worth multimillions and you contract trades to do the work you expect the work to be up to a certain standard. Often these same smaller contractors you speak of who only work from word of mouth aren't really up to the standards that are expected from professionals. Blaming the dispute on the client is the easiest thing and most common thing these contractors do, but if you point out where they fucked up and why it's not acceptable they'll make it seem like you're being unreasonable.
I've done so many site visits where I've had to point out basic problems to people that supposedly do this for a living. Window installers that don't caulk properly or "forget" to insulate the space between the window and the rough opening. Electricians that place counter outlets at the incorrect height or light fixtures in the incorrect space. Drywallers that place joints in a way that will cause cracking or do hideous mudding jobs. Framers that fuck up where a wall is placed because they can't read a blueprint to save their life. Etc etc etc.
All of these trades put in to get paid in full but they didn't do the job correctly. That's not my fault. I'm not being an unreasonable client. If I contracted you to do something you should do it correctly, not "Meh...good enough."
Here's the thing; if you're constantly getting told you're doing a shitty job....maybe....you're actually just doing a shitty job.
postscript: The only trades we haven't had trouble with are painters, and glass workers (ie mirrors, tub/shower surrounds).
I've been part of crews where we did the job exactly to spec. The owner was just a cheap bastard and always trying to get something extra for free.
It does go both ways. Hacks sneak their shit past unwitting clients all the time, and clients rob contracts at probably the same rate. Apparently it's called good business.... /s
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the worst! They are always looking for the next best project .. they are never in the moment . Very few are and those that are, are expensive and people don't want that , they want the cheaper ones who end up fucking them over anyway
So? A person speaking in defense of Trump who also voted Trump, what a shock. Does that make his point any less valid?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:25:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sub and even post on the donald sometimes. I don't agree with his policies much, but the circus of the sub is fun to watch.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:08:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They banned me actually so ex-poster.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:11:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been stiffed by my employers like this a few times as a contractor. It's anybodies guess how it turns out. Your options are to a) enter a drawn out dispute with the labor board that may or may not go anywherw, but will occupy at least a year of your life or b) bring the employer to civil court.
Now, you'll never beat Trump in court. And the labor board, their regulations, the attention you'll receive from them, etc varies depending on where you live. I've met plenty of other contractors who feel the same way- the labor board is mostly leverage you can use to negotiate for the wage you are rightfully owed. Rarely is it a solution for anybody. But we all know what a great negotiator Donald Trump is- best deals.
Tldr: Independent contractors often feel like they have no recourse, and sometimes thas completely true.
Recourse is in the strength of the contract. Have a rock-solid contract that covers all the bases and have it read over by a corporate or labor attorney and you'll have a pretty good leg to stand on.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:20:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or they did a shit job, which other comments have said happens a lot, and they just didn't get paid for doing bad.
fedale ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:59:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only commentors who post on the donald are saying that, which you are as well.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:15:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has nothing to do with me posting on the_donald. I'm just saying the truth. It happens a lot with contractors not doing a good job or 100% of the job, or the person that they did the job for isn't happy with all that was done ,so they pay the person less or not all, depending on how bad it is. If a person comes to my house and paints half of a wall, I'm only going to pay him for half the wall, not all. Or if he comes to my house and doesn't do anything I asked, I won't pay at all.
I post on the_donald and run projects where I use contractors, one does not make the other moot.
I'm sorry you don't know how business works, but you can PM me and I can explain case examples where my company, or contractors I've used end up not getting paid in dispute of work completed or uncompleted.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:31:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right- totally likely that hundreds of dishwashers, painters, lawyers, carpenters, and other construction works just 'did a shit job'. That's the most plausible explanation, not that Trump cheated people out of their wage. /s
Two things to note, tho. 1) That's a pretty bad and unbelievable track record. and 2) Most companies still pay their bills, and learn their lesson not to hire those people in the future. Generally contractors come through an agency and if they are sending you hundreds of people in various fields that 'are shit at their job', you quit using that agency. They don't just let them finish and then say 'nah, we're not paying you'. That's an exploitative scam- no two ways about it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:18:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying either is right or wrong, I'm just saying that it is 100% completely possible. He owns a lot of places, so he has probably hired thousands of people. And hundreds aren't saying they were ripped off, probably like 30-40. Which for someone who owns a lot of stuff isn't even that much first off. And also it's very possible most of them didn't do the job well enough, what was asked, or just did bad. That happens a lot actually.
Most companies still pay their bills, and learn their lesson not to hire those people in the future.
No. Most good companies that hire someone and they don't do a good job or don't do the job, don't pay fully or at all.
That's an exploitative scam- no two ways about it.
Yeah a scam that the contractors are doing. Going in, doing a half ass shit job or don't do the job at all, and expect payment. That's a scam. Should work better and harder then? And Trump still paid some of those people just less because they most likely did a shit job, or not what was asked.
If I hire someone to paint my wall, and they come in and only paint half or do a bad job, I'm only going to pay them half or less. If they don't do what I asked, I probably won't pay them at all. Simple as that. You hire someone, they do the job, or they don't get paid. People shouldn't get paid for doing w/e the fuck they want.
You sign a contract saying you will complete the job. If it's not 100% complete you don't get paid, or you can take it to court where you can argue about it for months and maybe get the money back that you invested in materials for the job.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is what is expected of him? He doesn't get criticism or praise for that.
What kind of argument is this lol
TrumpOP ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:58:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that it's not expected you pay shitty contractors either. I've stiffed many who did a shit job and refused to complete it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:08:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doing a shit job is different than refusing to complete it. But whatever- you're intent on believing what you already believe about a situation you don't know the specifics of. No point in keeping on this conversation.
TrumpOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's extremely common in industry. There isn't a major developer on the planet who hasn't refused to pay a litany of contractors.
There isn't an honest contractor who would say every contractor deserves to get paid. Many are shit and think they can fuck some rich company out of money.
Have it done pro-bono. Get a lobbyist group behind you, or the ACLU, or hell, get the lead singer of U2 on your side, and have it literally done pro Bono.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly, you don't realize how being rich works in the US. (re: "legal troubles")
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:24:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only because you have to be rich to afford legal troubles. The contractors would take a delinquent account to court if they could but they can't afford to.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And in civil court as a billionaire/millionaire, you can easily drag out the case until the plaintiff is broke and forced to drop the suit. Or have your bigwig attorneys merely intimidate you into dropping it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt he ever flat out stiffed anyone he probably didn't pay them the amount they were asking due to sub par work
Contractor. That says it all. A guy works for himself and pays a shit ton fewer taxes and we all know someone who does this. But the price you pay is that you wait for your money and the client can decide he didn't like your work well enough to pay the agreed upon price, or just not pay you at all. Trump is not the only corporation that plays by these rules. I'm just saying that if a guy was a first class operation and they wanted to keep him coming back they would pay promptly.
I know a geotechnical engineer for a big, and well respected, engineering company in NJ that Trump underpaid. He said it was 80 cents on the dollar. Trump told my friend that if he didn't like what he was being paid, that he (his company) should sue Trump. Obviously they wouldn't make the money back given lawyer fees and everything, so they took what was offered and left. I find that scummy and corrupt.
My friend disliked that, but had optimism. Said he disliked Reagen initially, but grew to like him. Hopes the same for Trump.
All the negative stuff I hear about him is always second-hand, as in your case.
9Virtues ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:22:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because 99% of its bs. There is no proof of this anywhere, it's always just stories. Even the first hand ones have no proof, no emails, no contracts, etc... everyone just wants their 5 mins of fame.
If you pay someone to do a job and it isn't done to completion, as the client you have the right to withhold payment. If i decide to pay you even though it isn't done and the completion date has passed im not going to pay you the full amount.
But geotechnical engineers are consultants. They design the foundation the building sits on. I guarantee if Trump's building was built (it was), my friend did the job to completion. Trump agreed on a price beforehand and refused to pay the full amount. My friend isn't a contractor, he designs the actual building (well the foundation based on soil parameters and soil borings performed). If the design was unsatisfactory, the building would not be standing.
aussydog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes what happens with consultants is they will bid on the job and then inflate their costs after the fact. We've had a number of consultants that work for us that will add charges by the email. So if there's an email chain going on they will count each email in and out and assign a value to it, regardless of its merit or pertanence to the job. Even if it's the consultant that initiates the contact.
So when you get your bill from these consultants and you look at the line items you see how the price has been bloated and you start to negotiate with the consultant over the inflated overage charges. It's unfortunately very common and the bigger the consultant company, the more likely they'll bloat the bill.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:37:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's a foundation design. I can't see how it would be poorly done. Trump would not know anything about foundation soils and which deep foundation would be acceptable for skyscrapers, that's why my friend's company was chosen. My point wasn't about contract law, but about not giving Trump the expected product. If the building was built to the design that Trump accepted before it was built, then the contract was fulfilled.
If the contractor didn't build it properly, that's on the contractor, to which my friend was not. But an engineer designing the skyscraper is much different.
I don't know the specifics of that case obviously, but if Trump did that with every contractor or engineer, he'd get a terrible rep and nobody would work with him. There must have been a problem you don't know about.
aussydog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in 2008 when the markets went to shit, my company went through some seriously hard times. We owed money to everyone and everyone wanted it yesterday. People threatened us with lawsuits, liens, and bad mouthed my company to anyone that would listen. We were in the news every month with another sob story about how we're a big bad developer that doesn't care about the little guy. Meanwhile behind the scenes most of the office staff had gone without pay for a couple of months so we could have enough liquidity to survive. And we did. We shored up our financing, weathered the storm and made it through alive.
The same companies that were calling for our heads and swore to never work for us ever again were suddenly making unsolicited calls for jobs, sending xmas care packages, and generally sucking up in all manner of ways. We went from the company that no one wanted to work for, to the company that everyone wanted to work for. It seems like money is the only reputation that matters. If you've got it...people will always beg to work for you.
Yeah his comment about Reagan confused me, but he never expanded further so I'm not sure what he liked about him. Might have just been he liked him more than he thought originally?
Yeah fuck reagan and the war on drugs. Fuck Nancy too. Id love Reagan to be alive today and see different states adopting a legal recreational marijuana policy. That fucker and his wife fucked a lot of shit up.
Unfortunately I think you touched on a bit of his business savagery. The not paying contractors part is the oldest gig in his book. Unethical, immoral yet business savvy. Pure savage.
bgt1989 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:36:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing I can attest to with my own eyes is that he eats like a 12 year-old me.
If wanting to have fries with your burger makes you a 12 year old, then I never want to grow up.
pdxboob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine he was referring more to shoveling fries into his mouth by the fistful.
bgt1989 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you imagine that when he so famously pointed out Kasichs horrible eating habits as used it as a table manners teaching moment with his son? "Little bites Barron. Little bites. "
"He's for the blue collar workers! Except for the blue collars working for him..."
mbeezier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy who worked for a Trump contractor about 25 years ago. Trump didn't like the work and refused to pay the contractor. The contractor was not able to make payroll and went bankrupt.
Yet this man, though personally financially harmed by Donald Trump, nevertheless voted for him.
My wife's grandparents used to own a metal art comany, steel vases and shit. He contracted a huge job from them for a hotel. They typically do half upfront and half when the job is completed.
Trump didn't pay them on the backend.
They were about to go broke until he contracted them again. 100% upfront and the half owed last time. He paid it and used them a few more times.
I think that's oversimplifying. The successful rich often have very high standards and if you've never lived around that, it's hard to understand what that is like.
I have wealthy people in my family that will scrutinize construction work in particular very closely. They want their homes to be impeccable, and won't put up with shoddy work, whereas if it's me getting the same work, I'd deal with a few mistakes, especially because I am pretty okay at finish work myself and can correct some minor things, which is easier than chasing a contractor down and making it into a thing.
My in-laws have absolutely refused to pay for slightly shitty work, and I support that, as I know for certain my mother-in-law in particular will have outlined exactly what she expects before the work has begun. She has a degree in interior design and knows her shit, and addresses pretty much anything out of place with the house with decisiveness. (I love her but am thankful her daughter is a little more chilled out.)
I work for pretty much only "successful rich" people and it certainly doesn't mean they have to be dicks. If there is a clear, concise contract in place with exact expectations based on existing conditions, the contractor should meet them but nitpicking based on extremely minor issues that usually arise from unforeseen issues or changes in scope by the client, cannot, and should not, be enough to just not pay a contractor. The few bad egg clients we have had usually had issues because they changed the scope, didn't listen when we outlined what that would mean because they were "too important" to pay attention, and then threw a temper tantrum when they finally did. We document everything so we luckily haven't ended up going to court.
Furthermore, not to dismiss your mother in law but just because you have a degree in interior design does not mean you know all fields of construction or design. I work in high end landscape design and construction and one of the professionals I most frequently have issues with are interior designers. The methodology is almost completely opposite between the design fields yet interior designers always feel the need to try to tell everyone else how something is done.
In my example, I only mention MIL's experience as a designer to support the idea that she is very detail oriented, which she most certainly is. She does however also understand construction and finish carpentry enough to know when the work is shoddy.
But she's also quite decent and reasonable. I'm an art director/graphic designer myself, and have worked for plenty of ridiculous, nitpicky clients who try to get one over on me wherever they can. She's not like that. My point is that she has a quality standard that is both lifelong and reinforced by her elevated class. It's a trait that I notice in most of her peers as well, as opposed to many of mine who are all pretty standard middle class.
There's a sense of fairness, but overlaid on a sense of knowing what is desired, stating that objective clearly, and then expecting precisely that outcome. I feel like that personality type is very well suited toward success. Now, I have no idea how above board Trump's decisions not to pay have been, but it does dovetail with my experience.
I grew up wealthy and know the drill. He's not paid contracts and such without saying it's because of shoddy work. Not paying people for services and work is pretty bad in my book. Matter of fact it's illegal without giving a valid reason. There's hundreds of these stories about him and how it's part of his business modus operandi.
Juuzoz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be proud that you showed the direction to the President of the United States of America
That mother fucker! Eating French fries and what not!
Ranndym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The age thing coupled with his poor diet and obesity bothers me. I don't want another president with dementia in the White House like Reagan in his second term. I also don't want him dying and Pence getting the job. Age was one of my problems with Bernie running. People start to lose their faculties and people in their administrations will cover for them. Just like there is a minimum age for running, I think there should be a maximum age of about 60 if it's your first term.
He would stay in the penthouse on the 2nd floor of our kitchen/bistro. His demeanor was usually pretty stiff and awkward and I would constantly hear him on phone calls on the balcony stuttering wildly, to the degree that he likely has or had a diagnosable speech impediment, which kind of made me feel bad for the guy. He certainly came off as distant and pompous, but I never saw/heard of him being outright dickish to anyone. He was usually polite and would acknowledge me if he passed me even though I doubt he knew my name. The most excited he got was when a pickup in full Trump election regalia came barreling down the road and he literally jumped over the bushes on to the wall to catch a video of it. On an unrelated note that surprised me because this was early in his campaign before he was even the nominee, and I kind of figured his family had to realize this was just a cynical publicity stunt.... RIGHT???
Recyclex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing I can attest to with my own eyes is that he eats like a 12 year-old me.
"Defrauded" how? Fraud is a material misrepresentation made with intent that the other person rely on the misrepresentation, which is then in fact relied on, to the detriment of the party being defrauded. Nonpayment isn't (without more) fraud. Entering into a contract with no intention of performance might end up as fraud, assuming other elements are met, but proving intent might be hard depending on facts. Discharging debts in bankruptcy isn't fraud (and is arguably a foreseeable outcome in the construction contracting business)
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I met him at a wedding I photographed and he was actually very nice and personable! I was surprised bc the media portrays him so negatively. But he did kiss the bride which I thought was weird. I gave him a bible tract and he said "what is this" and I said its about the bible and he thanked me. Overall I was surprised at how nice he was.
It might've been on the cheek. I've noticed that he does that when meeting women, though it's also a French thing so who knows why he does it besides the obvious "Kissing gals" part.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:04:58 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of older people from New York do this, my grandparents are from Long Island and they greet people with kisses all the time. Trump is 70 which people tend to forget because of how energetic he is.
The French greeting is one kiss on each cheek when you meet someone for the first time and 2 kisses on each cheek when it's someone you know. Lots of European countries have kiss greetings, in some parts of Eastern Europe people greet by kissing on the lips, even straight men.
My Father knows him pretty well. They work in the same circles of people (my dad works on Wallstreet). I met him when I was 18 at a dinner function and actually had a very good conversation about what I wanted to do in college and gave some decent advice. He was funny, good natured, and kind (to me atleast) It's why I didn't get the race at all. The man I met was NOTHING like the guy on TV. Sure I remember a few quirks and some things that were weird, but everyone has those and none of those translated to what I heard him saying on TV. Though to be fair that could of easily been a mask that he put on around other people.
I think he was just being extreme to get the cameras rolling. On election night, even in his speech he seemed like a completely different, far more calm and rational human being who seems to actually care about this country.
If you weren't skeptical of his claims I'd be worried. ;)
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:56:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many positive replies. I am a supporter (much as I can be being from Canada) but still am amazed at every story being positive.
One thing that stands out right now for me is that he doesn't drink at all. So at all these public functions, while others are chemically altering their state, he's focused and listening. Giving positive attention. I drink too regularly and after a few drinks you just aren't really giving others full attention.
Well I told him I didn't want to go into business like my father because I wasn't passionate about it. He basically said (I'm paraphrasing here) "Do what your passionate about and turn it into a business. Most people think big money lies in corporations, but honestly there's money in anything if you work at it hard enough and put the time in. So do what you passionate about and your more likely to get there. Again I'm paraphrasing because it was a full conversation, but that was the basic gist of it.
bcccl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:12 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's terrific advice, thanks for sharing.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:11:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad's a bit of paradox sometimes based on his wealth, influence, and actual political opinions. So from a political standpoint I think he from a social policy perspective does not like Trump (though he says that doesn't matter to him really), from a business perspective he's split because on one hand he's bankrupt many of his companies and screwed people over, but in his mind most politicians are the same just quieter about itand he can't really deny that the man knows how to manage people to do his work for him from a charismatic perspective. Overall he's definetly in the "I'm not optimistic but I will wait and see camp".
On a personal level from what my dad has said he's been nothing but nice to him and to my family. My dad admits that cause he has money and influence but to be fair my father has never donated or been apart of anything Trump put his name on. Mostly because he thinks they're terrible ideas, they're highly risky, and not well thought out (his words). So once again a bit of a switch.
Also just to clarify he is a registered independant and I honestly don't know who he voted for.
Though to be fair that could of easily been a mask that he put on around other people.
Every post here says he is nothing like he came across in the campaign. I do sincerely hope he was just faking his persona for the campaign and that his real personality is who he acts like when the cameras are off.
How you treat strangers on the street has very little impact on your public persona, so Id assume that is his real personality. I hope.
[deleted] ยท 343 points ยท Posted at 18:05:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not gonna lie that sounds sick. I wish I could fly in on my personal helicopter and then have to make the decision if I should take the rolls Royce or the Ferrari.... what a tough life...
I wouldn't personally call a turboprop a jet, but at least some of the thrust does in fact come from the exhaust:
Consequently, the exhaust jet produces (typically) less than 10% of the total thrust, and turboprops can have bypass ratios up to 50-100
From wikipedia.
For another example, I wouldn't call the engine in the back of an Abrams a jet engine. It's a gas turbine to be sure, but it's not really a jet engine if the thrust doesn't come from the jet.
USCAV19D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:18 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It operates on the same principles, and in general they're all referred to as gas turbines, jet engines, turboshafts/props/jets fairly regularly. But technically, you're correct - and technically correct is the best kind of correct.
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[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:41:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump supporters don't want to read anything nice about Hillary.
Clinton supporters don't want to read all the crap that will be thrown at her.
I think the difference here is A LOT of Clinton supporters desperately want to read anything good about Trump.
yuube ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:13:00 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Hillary isnt our president, I could see downvotes based on that alone, shes kind of irrelevant, and that kind of comes off as a competition of whose better again.
2) From what ive seen a lot of people who have met Hillary said she was a raging bitch.
yuube ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:13:07 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Hillary isnt our president, I could see downvotes bazed on that alone, shes kind of irrelevant, and that kind of comes off as a competition of whose better again.
2) From what ive seen a lot of people who have met Hillary said she was a raging bitch.
There have been a lot of people that worked for the Clintons that say she and Chelsea are extremely rude. I think die hard Hillary supporters are probably aware of that and don't want it dredged up.
wdngyre ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:18:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually met her when she came to support a nonprofit I volunteered for at one of our events (we were a branch of Americorps). She was very nice and actually spent far more time talking to us than I would have expected, seemed genuinely interested in what we did. She was the First Lady back then; it was a long time ago!
I've known two guys that met Hillary. Actually more than that but only two stories come to mind. The first one was a young kid that drove her through Baghdad, or more accurately between the airport and the embassy and back so not exactly "through". I asked what she was like because she's notoriously shitty to security, cops and military. He said she was nice and asked him a bit about himself. This kid was literally the only person I've heard saying anything nice about her and I semi attribute it to him being so young and just kind of endearing.
The other was working an event as security for someone else. She walked up to him thinking he was Secret Service and he said no, sorry, I'm with Company X. Months later he was working another event where she was, she walked by him, paused and said "Company X, right?" He was very impressed that months later she remembered what company this random guy worked for from a seconds long interaction. Then one of her security guys said (out of her earshot) "she remembers everything, it keeps me up at night." The guy I knew thought it was Secret Service with her but based on the time frame it was probably Diplomatic Security.
These things stick out because she was a general reputation of being horrible and despised by her security people. I've never heard anything specific because professional security people generally keep their mouths shut.
I haven't met either, but I have family that works with secret service when they come to town and have given summaries of the politicians:
Trump: very nice, less arrogant than portrayed in media, but still a little arrogant, always full-steam ahead, but will change direction quickly if it's the wrong direction. Difficult for his managers to work with because he will sometimes hear their advice, say "ok" and then continue on the way he wanted
Hillary: incredibly late, not the typical politician late, but like supposed to arrive in town at 10/10:30 to be at an event by 11, hasn't even left home in NY by 11 (two-ish hour flight from here). Always disheveled, without a belt or scarf or something that she then "barks" at an assistant to grab. Apparently her go-fers seem more stressed than others, maybe this is related? Doesn't usually stay very long (even compared to other politicians). Is always going over what to say last minute.
Obama: Is a great speaker, when he can say something rehearsed. If asked a question that wasn't explicitly practiced, gets flustered and can't form a good response. Nice, personable guy though, nothing terrible to work with from a security stand point
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:14:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Michelle? Please tell me Michelle O. is as nice as I think.
They don't talk about her much that I hear of, so I would take that to be a good thing. The Obama administration (again, what I've been told) overall isn't terribly difficult to work with and is nice enough
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:16:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary's been guarded by the Secret Service since 1992. Since that time, she's been First Lady for 8 of those years, Senator for 8, and Secretary of State for 4. Plus campaigning to be president for ~2. She's not as available to the general public.
Ehh but hers would be 90% bullshit, just like this one.
z3r0Var0c ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:22:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a couple friends meet the Donald in the past. I have never heard a negative story about him, up until the election. During the whole deal, I was convinced he was kind of rallying support rather than actually being the clueless orangutan he was pretending to be. Man's a genius, if you ask me.
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Rametz1 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:38:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was just a baby, I got a picture taken with him outside of Trump Tower. My family says he was very cordial.
Spin_Me ยท 462 points ยท Posted at 18:20:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him at an event around 2005. He was standing alone and I walked up and spoke about a project my agency was working on that included his brand.
Just like any other celebrity, he was like any other normal person in his line of work. Quiet, reserved, listens more than he talks and a bit arrogant when he does open his mouth.
The thing about these one-time chance encounters with celebrities is that it's just one particular day so you never know how someone is feeling or what kind of day they're having. Even celebrities have good days and shitty days, can't judge anyone based on one encounter.
That's what I like about threads like these, though. A few dozen peoples' one time encounter adds up to a rough estimate of what these people are really like. Obviously it's not credible, especially in the situations in this thread specifically where he's likely trying to impress everyone, but it gives a small hint of his ability to act like a reasonable adult around people.
beanx ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 20:04:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS. People shit on Lars Ulrich of Metallica A LOT, but i got the chance to spend an evening with him and his lady (and a number of other folks) and it was awesome. Totally cool, regular dude. I think people forget that famous people are just...people. We all have good days and bad days. You really cant judge someone by ONE chance encounter (i mean, you can, but it's probably not accurate).
That and people tend to over exaggerate their stories and blow minor things out of proportion. Especially when the incident happened a really long time ago and your memory is fuzzy.
Spin_Me ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the end, they're a regular person like you and I. I've mingled and worked with a lot of celebs and nationally-known politicians and I always remind myself that they're just regular folks and not very special. It keeps me from ever acting star-struck and allows me to conduct business.
There are probably two or three living celebs/leaders who - if we were to meet - I would have a hard time keeping my act together
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Who is the nicest celebrity you've interacted with?
Spin_Me ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ed Norton. He lives in my 'hood and is a regular guy.
Boyd Tinsley from Dave Matthews Band - if you're not careful, he'll buy you something. He likes the act of giving
Ray Boom Boom Mancini - He'll spend thirty minutes with a an old fan to discuss boxing
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Random; Evander Holyfield is super cool in person.
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Didnt meet him, but I attended one of his rallies. At the rally he was talking of the San Bernadino shooting. He said that if there were guns on the other side of the room a couple of people like this guy, pointing to me, "the big guy with the beautiful beard". Then he said "hes almost got as good a hair as I do", after the crowd was yelling "better!", Trump said "better, better hes got better!" It was a pretty cool moment. Not very often that a billionaire now president elect compliments your beard.
EDIT: This was in Valdosta, GA back in March the day before Super Tuesday. The rally was actually at my college (Go Blazers) so I just walked over to our Auditorium from my house and waited for 3 hours to ensure I got a up close spot.
I was at his rally CO held after the attempted assassination in Reno. He didn't even mention it. Instead, he invited the parents of Riley Rone (a young man who was apparently a huge Trump fan, died in a car accident) so he could honor them after he heard their story from Riley's friends. The mom made a short speech and said Trump called her to tell her how sorry he felt, and if he could give up his fortune to bring Riley back he would. I don't think Trump expected Mrs Rone to say that, he looked taken aback when she told that story. He just seems like such a wonderful person who wants to put Americans first
troyk890 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:27 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hey, he pointed out my "big beautiful beard" at the Fort Worth rally. Nice to meet another member of the beautiful beard master race.
That was also the rally where Chris Christie endorsed him for the first time, and where he did the "IT'S RUBIO!" bit and splashed water all over the stage.
Around 2010-2011, I worked in Palm Beach as a valet at various restaurants and house parties, so I would see him quite regularly when he was around town. I never parked his car because he usually had a driver with him, but he was always fairly nice whenever I saw him, saying hello and even tipping when he left even though he didn't park his car with me. One specific instance I remember is when he was leaving a restaurant around Christmas time, he handed me a hundred dollar bill. A lot of my interactions with him lead me to believe he was playing a character while campaigning.
I own a small business in NYC.
I've met DT a couple times in the course of doing business.
In person he's a gentleman and cordial. Very commanding posture.
He's got an ability to make you feel like you're the most important person in the room when conversing..
The Donald spoke at a conference I went to in 2009, and he was one of the most down-to-earth people I've ever listened to. He spoke about family matters and the troubles of being a parent. He touched on political correctness and how he (and I quote) "doesn't give a shit."
10/10 would listen to a [not so] self-righteous billionaire again.
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I didn't meet him, but my old boss did, many times, while building one of the Trump casinos. As background, this boss was a huge man, with a personality to match. He took no shit from anyone (well, almost) and literally brow beat one guy until he threw up. He was also very honest. Anyway, in a meeting with Trump about design delays and cost overruns, Trump called him a liar about a previous agreement. After the meeting, one of Trump's henchmen leaned over and whispered in his ear. Trump came over, apologized for calling him a liar, gave him a Trump Casinos cap and gave him a tour of his plane (they both flew private jets to the meeting).
My parents used to play poker at his casino in Atlantic City all the time. They'd see him come into the poker rooms sometimes, always surrounded by women. My dad spoke to him a few times. He didn't like him very much, said he seemed like a used car salesman. Ironically my dad ended up liking him just fine more recently. I never personally met him, but I do remember thinking it was weirdly arrogant that all the room keycards had his face on them.
turbozed ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:18:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Ive scrolled through about 100 of these and yours is the first non-positive experience with Trump (and its 3rd hand and not so bad either). This is not what I was expecting.
I was in the Fire Company that used to attend his Fourth of July party. I met him once. He was taking a photo op with our tower ladder. I offered to let him go up the tower ladder with the flag hanging off the bucket and take pictures up there. He refused and said he didn't like heights, and sent Donald Jr. up instead.
And yet he lives on the 58th floor of Trump Tower!
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A few years ago I worked for a large real estate developer in Manhattan. My first day of work, I saw Donald Jr. and Ivanka in the office. I didn't get to speak to them as they were in the conference room, but Ivanka is gorgeous in person.
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This is slightly against the OP since it did occur after the race started but I'd like to share anyway.
I met the Donald in Iowa at his last rally before the Iowa Caucuses. It was in Cedar Rapids. During his speech I took a picture of his daughter Ivanka(I was close, third row) and she locked eyes with me and smiled which was cool. After he finished I met him and Melania. When he came by I was starstruck to an extent and only muttered "hi Donald Trump" in a super shaky voice. He disregarded my hello, grabbed me up in a huge hand shake that thrashed me from side to side while screaming "Make America Great Again!!!" right in my face. It was awesome.
That night I also met him at his concession speech in Des Moines when he lost to Cruz. I was front row right next to the curtain that hid the "Behind the scenes" and I actually saw him as he went to take the stage. He muttered to Ivanka something along the lines of "let's get this f***ing thing over with". Probably because he came in second. Overall awesome experience, mostly surprised by his height.
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I worked at the RNC and met Trump and most of the Trump family. I also worked with them individually for a few days (won't say what I was doing). Let's just say that during most of my interactions, it was just me, one of the Trump family members, and maybe 1 or 2 other people (publicists, speech writers, significant others, etc.).
It was a chaotic time, and as you can imagine, their minds were on a million things. But I found each one of them to be polite and even-tempered. Ivanka in particular was a sweetheart. Tiffany was really sweet (although really nervous about being so involved in something so big). Eric was very friendly to me. And Donald Jr. was a little bit of an asshole, though it was surely the stress of those days (I knew what it was that had him so stressed when I interacted with him - more the cause of a mistake made by "his people" than him being an inherent asshole).
Donald, by and large, was friendly and calm. Greeted everyone around him, spoke politely and gratefully to everyone he met.
I can also say the same thing about Mike Pence. Spent a lot of time with him. Some of his views are archaic, but it's really the product of his old-fashioned upbringing. Otherwise he was a really genuine man. I found myself thinking on multiple occasions that he'd be a great dad, uncle, grandpa, etc. And the type of man you'd want as a neighbor/in your community. Strong convictions, modest lifestyle, very personable and polite.
I could give more details, but my job prevents me from doing so. Take it as you will. All in all: 10/10 would meet again.
reirarei ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:55:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of Trump by any means. But with that said, I always noticed that his kids were never in the tabloids or making assholes of themselves alla Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan style back in the day. Say what you will about the president elect, but he and Ivana (his first wife) seem to have done a great job in raising their kids to be polite and down to earth versus spoiled entitled snots.
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Plus, his son, Baron, is so good with computers it's unbelievable.
I love that he just throws in a compliment for his kid. Love it.
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Marla Maples seems like a wonderful mother as well. Say what you will about her having an affair with a married man, but she handled her divorce as gracefully as one can, didn't ask for a ton of money, and has always put the well-being of her daughter Tiffany first and foremost. By all accounts, Trump currently has great relationships with both Marla and Ivana, which speaks volumes about what great parents all three of them must be.
rainer_d ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:29:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me when I say his upbringing is modest. Don't know how much money he's packing in his back account (if any at all), but he's a modest guy. Boring, many would call him. Even me. But modest nonetheless.
So you're the one who judges officially who has a right mind and who doesn't? Good to know. I'll send all future significant others to use and make sure I get the "right mind" stamp of approval. Might save me a lot of trouble.
Lol you do that... I'm an aware enough woman to know that Mike Pence, as well as Trump and his administration, do NOT have my best interests in mind. Pence, Trump, and the Republican Party have a horrible track record regarding women's reproductive rights and women's rights in general. That is why I said that no woman in her right mind would want Pence as a father.
There's no such thing as an administration having the best interests of everyone in their mind all the time. So no matter what, there will be winners and losers. Both on a micro and macro scale.
I agree with you in many ways. I didn't vote Trump/Pence. And I do feel that women have the right to choose.
But I also don't think tax payer dollars should pay specifically for abortions. Contraception? Yes. Health? Yes. Education? Yes. Abortions? No. (All in reference to PP).
And you also have to consider that he honestly believes he's right. He's not trying to be malicious and nefarious or evil or misogynistic. He thinks that the moment a cell begins developing, then it's a human life and should be treated as such. And there are even people in science who might not be able to give you a definitive answer on that. It's hard to come to a consensus on where to draw the line. For Pence and people like him (including millions of women, of many religions and many ethnicities), they would absolutely agree with him. It doesn't mean that they're not in their right minds. It means you differ greatly on a very sensitive subject.
I think society is better off NOT having unwanted and potentially neglected children. And women should have the right to choose. But I'm not going to tell people who believe that human life starts at inception and that abortion is immoral and that tax dollars shouldn't pay for such things...that they're not of a right mind.
And just because you disagree on a major issue doesn't mean that he's unfit to be a father. You disagree with him on this very conflicting issue. And that's totally fair. But I can assure you that you'd like a man like him in your community or as a father than the majority of the other filth that crawl our country.
Well it's not that his views are archaic, but threatening to over half of the population of the US (any kind of minority, basically anyone that isn't a white male, anyone who believes in climate change or science..)
It seems silly to suggest that Trump/Pence are not in agreement with women's stance of their rights or abortion because according to exit polls basically half of female voters voted Republican. I'm not a Republican, but it's pretty obvious that the democrats don't get to claim that they're helping women when half of women are voting against their platform. SOME women agree with the republican stance on rights and abortion and SOME some agree with the democrat one.
education
Cutting common core was part of their platform and seems in line with what most liberal people I know believe in for education (removing generic curriculum controls and standardized testing and focusing on teacher-made, teacher-approved methods).
a3wagner ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:04:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of women are pro-life. I believe it's more of a religious thing than a woman thing.
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I would imagine so. I wasn't arguing against that.
I know that many women voted for Trump. There are many many women who are pro-life. I'm not sure what you're trying to say by pointing that out. I'm not saying they aren't in agreement with women on that, but that it's a womens rights issue and they are VERY CLEARLY not working hard for womens rights. They want to cut back on access to abortion or outright outlaw it, they are already talking about limiting access to birth control by overturning some of the affordable care act. It's fine if this doesn't apply to some women, if they don't care, or if they don't agree with abortion, but that's not their decision to make for ALL women. And it's definitely not Trump/Pence's.
It's fine if this doesn't apply to some women, if they don't care, or if they don't agree with abortion, but that's not their decision to make for ALL women.
This is the place where people start plugging their ears. Pro-life people aren't trying to ban abortion in order to tell all people what to do. They're doing it because they are trying to close a loophole they perceive in enforcing laws that ban murder. So, while you can disagree with them it's completely disingenuous to suggest that it's just a women's rights issue or that it's that pro-life people are trying to meddle in the private business of others.
They have just as much right to try to make laws about it as your do to try to make laws about child abuse. Sure you can say that abusing your child is "parents' rights" and that they don't have the grounds to decide for all parents what abuse is. ... But... it's pretty well established that you do have that right to meddle in that way.
Just like you might not perceive "child abuse" as parents' rights, they might not perceive abortions as "women's rights". In the end, it's arbitrary which rights we decide are women's rights. Democrats chose a certain mix of them and Republicans chose another and women are pretty split about which definition of women's rights is right. It's not even as though saying "well adding a choice for a woman is clearly more rights" makes sense because then literally anything ever could be women's rights. If I want to give women the right to steal people's cars, I could make that same argument and say that anybody who opposes my plan is against women's rights. In the end, "women's rights" is not just about if they're getting more choices, it's whether one agrees that they have the rights/choices they ought to have.
That may be true but this has been a womens rights issue for DECADES and has been law for DECADES so the fact that they're trying to take away this right (which has in fact been defined as a right for DECADES) is an issue. And you're right, it's not just a womens issue, it's a problem for men too.
They may perceive it as murder, but by all legal definitions, it is not. So that should really be case closed.
but this has been a womens rights issue for DECADES
Yes, meaning that for decades people (including women) have failed to convince each other that their view of women's rights is better/right. Which emphasizes how subjective the matter actually is.
and has been law for DECADES so the fact that they're trying to take away this right (which has in fact been defined as a right for DECADES) is an issue
Not really. Slavery had been legal for decades. Men-only voting had been a right for decades. Boundless monopoly practices had been a right for decades. Not reporting your income to the government had been a right for decades. Cocaine use had been a right for decades. Insider trading had been a right for decades. Dueling had been a right for decades. ... How long something has been a right has little to do with the legitimacy of trying to get it removed. That's sort of the basis of the civil rights movement, that something could have been wrong for so long. When you make a rule before widely convincing the democracy you're right, like abortion or prohibition, then you naturally get backlash where people you never convinced want to (and have the right to) undo or limit your change.
They may perceive it as murder, but by all legal definitions, it is not.
Which is why they are trying to change the law in order to have the law cover the full scope of what they perceive as murder.
Also, by some legal definitions it is, like when some states charge a person for killing a pregnant person.
So that should really be case closed.
It seems incredibly ironic that somebody arguing for a socially progressive platform is suggesting that laws and legal precedents should never be changed.
They should not be changed to a more conservative viewpoint given how much more we know about science, what works and doesn't work in terms of policies, etc.
Clearly there's no point in arguing with you... I just hope they stay the hell out of my uterus and that I continue to have access to birth control and the ability to make decisions about my own reproduction.
They should not be changed to a more conservative viewpoint given how much more we know about science, what works and doesn't work in terms of policies, etc.
That kind of charlatanism is what people on that side mean when they bash intellectualism because this isn't a matter of science proving anything at all but you're hiding behind that word. Science literally has no capability of saying what ought to be. All that it can do is answer (1) what likely was, (2) what likely is and (3) what is likely to be. Science can tell us the process by which life grows. Science can tell us the dangers a pregnant women might be in sometimes. Science can tell us at which points a fetus might feel pain. Those facts might impact the decision we come to. But science cannot tell us how to weigh those factors and what ultimately to decide. It cannot tell us when we ought to grant the right to life to a thing. It cannot tell us what things in the universe ought to be rights or not or how protecting one right should be allowed to interfere with protecting another. Science can't even tell us that any life matters. It can't tell us that anything matters. It cannot tell us at what point we stop protecting a small organism from being terminated by a big organism or a big organism terminated by a small organism. It cannot tell us if something's potential should matter, not just its current state. Science literally cannot offer any decisive answer over abortion. Your subjective decisions over what is right and wrong can only help you think about which scientific findings matter to you and which don't. So, it's incredibly ignorant and reflects a poor understanding of science and philosophy when people use science to say that they are more "right" in the discussion about abortion.
Clearly there's no point in arguing with you...
I'm not sure what that implies. I've been responding to your points directly with reasoning and logic. When I do, like explaining how your "decades of precedent logic" doesn't make sense, you haven't seemed to do anything to counteract that actual arguments I was making. If you see flaws in the way I'm disproving them, you should point out those flaws. That's how logical, fact-driven argument works. Frankly, you sound sort of like the evangelical types in that you're just acting like your own personal values should override everybody else's rather that recognizing that there is nothing special about your side of the argument or the morality you've chosen. Saying things like "stay the hell out of my uterus" is an ignorant response in an argument because pro-life people don't give a damn about your uterus, they care about the thing they perceive as living because murdered. So, argue with them on the point they actually are disagreeing on rather than making a strawman out of their argument.
I'm in favor of abortions, I just have the humility to admit that literally all stances on abortion are subjective. People who are against abortions are not necessarily against women's rights, they're not necessarily against science and they're not necessarily anything but kind, compassionate people who care about all of those around them.
It's fine to like your stance and fight for it and try to teach people why you think what you do, but it's unfounded, counterproductive and divisive to act as though your view is in an sort of way objectively right or that it'd be obvious to any person who had facts and compassion.
I don't think it's all that unusual for people to vote against their own interests.
But aside from abortion rights (and his views are extreme on that), Pence gutted Planned Parenthood funding in his state, leading to the closure of numerous clinics and cutting off many Indianans from their only local STD testing (as well as only access to cancer screening, and access to contraceptives). The result so far has been an "an exploding HIV outbreak" in his state according to the Chicago Tribune.
He also famously passed legislation that makes it legal for businesses to discriminate against same-sex couples.
He also doesn't believe in climate change.
He also passed huge tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations in his state.
And it goes without saying that he's crashed Indiana's economy.
I'm aware of this, I don't personally support him. I'm just saying women and people in general can think that is all appropriate government behavior. You can say that you personally think that it's the wrong thing for government to do, but it's rather arrogant and baseless to say the women are voting against their interests just because they believe in different societal values and role of government than you. The left does not stand for women's rights any more than the right does. Some women like the vision of the left and some like the vision of the right.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Low-income and under-educated white women were Trump's 2nd best voter group. These kinds of women are born and raised in oppressive patriarchal communities. The usually do and did vote against their best interests
So, you seem to believe in rejecting democracy for low-income people who don't have a formal higher education?
(Also, saying it's his 2nd best voter group ignores the fact that lots of people not in that group voted for him. Your stereotyping all of his voters.)
The usually do and did vote against their best interests and rights due to this indoctrination.
But how are you so privileged as to know their interests better than they do?
Maybe you're the one who's been indoctrinated? Maybe both of you have been? We don't know because nobody can have a neutral, objective stance on what rights and society ought to be.
As many notable people have said - freedom for women lies in educating them...
Yes, so rather than writing off their rights to have an opinion and a vote as you are, you should try to educate them. And if you fail to change their mind, you should have the humility to realize they are entitled to have a different idea of what women's rights or roles ought to be. It's a recipe for ignorance, arrogance and certainly oppression for you to make excuses for why large groups of people's opinions don't matter in our democracy. From that stance, I'd argue that you're oppressing women by saying that until you consider them educated and to have a decent income, you won't take their beliefs seriously. By all means, go out and argue with them to change their mind, but respect their opinion as as valuable as any vote.
I mean, I guess this is where we differ: in my mind, having a major outbreak of HIV in your state that's almost directly connected to the closing of clinics is objectively bad for society. Less access to cancer screening for low-income women will result in more women dying of treatable cancers. Less access to contraception will result in more unwanted pregnancies, unwanted children, and the spread of sexually transmitted disease. These all seem objectively bad to me, and are/will be the unintended consequences of his religiously motivated policy decisions.
I guess we could go back and forth on whether cutting taxes for our wealthiest citizens is good for the economy, or whether gay people should have equal protection under the law, or whether climate change should concern us. But really more STDs more cancer-deaths more unwanted pregnancies has an upside?
There is literally no such thing as "objectively bad". It's subjective to decide what matters (e.g. life, lifespan, healthiness, etc.) and certainly how to weigh between two things that matter. So no sentence that claims something is good or bad can be objective.
What you can do, is claim that IF we share some assumption, then something would be bad. For example, "If you think X is of utmost importance, studies tend to show that Y hurts X, therefore Y would be bad." Here, it's still subjective, but you can identify the point of disagreement, X, because you're identifying the subjective part clearly. People often say "oh you can't refute that Y hurts X, so you hate X!" but disagreeing about X doesn't mean you completely don't care about it. It can mean you also care about something else too or that yo weight it differently against the other things. The key to intelligent and productive discussion isn't just presenting logic, it's identifying the subjective prereqs to that logic and trying to get on the same page there. This is where you often find that the people who disagree with you are both logical and care about the thing you do, they are just weighing it differently against other things they care about. And the key thing is, in this subjective realm there is no special authority to appeal to. In that subjective realm, you have to appeal to people's subjectivity about why they should weigh things as they do, but you have no authority to say that they are objectively wrong about it. That humility is key to our discourse. Then if you agree on all of the subjective parts and how they are weighted (X is clearly important enough to risk/interfere with A, B and C) and still disagree then, fine, let the logic/facts speak the difference.
admittedly it's dishonest for me to act like people were voting for those consequences (they weren't). I just think the chain of causation isn't clear to everyone. thus the voting against one's own interests thing.
Like Americans with black skin voting lock step for DNC candidates even though that is clearly against their self interests? BTW I love that Trump is popularizing treating each individual as a unique human being rejecting the identity politics of the past. Freedom may be possible once again.
It isn't Trump himself that I'm worried about. I don't think he personally cares, but I have little doubt he'll throw LGBT rights to the wolves to placate people in his administration.
I mean, wasn't his entire campaign pretty much an open act of defiance toward the GOP establishment?
This is a guy that called the Bush administration out at a South Carolina GOP debate. Full-scale "Bush lied, people died" stuff -- pretty much RNC heresy. I question the number of fucks he really has to give about rustling GOP jimmies.
Bannon afaik doesn't have anything against gay people. He's worked with Milo Yiannopolous for years. Personally, I don't buy that he's antisemitic either. His biggest crime, as far as I can tell, seems to be that he runs the rightwing analogue of the Huffington Post and that he played a role in getting Trump elected over Hillary Clinton.
The fact that BB did a piece on the alt-right under Bannon is hardly proof that Bannon aligns himself with the absolute worst elements of the alt-right -- which, despite what CNN & Co. would have you believe, is a rather big tent. The only real unifying element is a rejection of neoconservatism and globalism.
As it stands, the left seems dead set and determined to play the "but we can't rule it out" game with Bannon. You ask if a person is ugly thing X based on the shaky possibility that the person is ugly thing X, and refuse to grant weight to any evidence to the contrary.
Also Trump bringing Peter Thiel in suggests to me that he really doesn't care, even if Pence isn't happy with it.
I dearly hope you're right, but I also think that we have ample reason to be concerned.
Particularly concerning is his avowed support of an act that would undo anti-discrimination laws put in place by Obama, and allow businesses to refuse to serve LGBT people, or fire them based on religious beliefs, etc.
His shortlist of potential Supreme Court nominees includes people who've expressed that they'd like to overturn marriage equality.
"It's a big tent" is precisely my concern. That big tent has a lot of really awful people under it, even if most of them aren't. There's a willingness to tolerate really repugnant shit that you don't see in many other places.
There's also the fact that quite a few (of the most vocal) proponents of the alt-right have defined it as explicitly a white nativist movement.
There's a fair amount to be concerned about here. Donald Trump himself is something of a blank slate, but the people he is looking at aren't, and it's almost all bad.
The climate change is undoubtedly my biggest concern. But he and that cabinet won't be as big of a threat as people make out. Energy will go the way if the market, and the market is going towards green and efficiency. Even china and Russia are climbing on board, slowly but surely.
The Stone Age didn't end because we ran out of stone. It ended because something better came along and people realized it. And the people who didn't, well...they were left in the Stone Age.
As far as "over half"...meh. I hate combining small individual groups of people as some massive group. Making them all out to be the majority even though they have little in common and they're own individual issues, concerns, and desires. Over 50% of the population...
Sounds like the tyranny of the minority.
I wish no harm on anyone in this world. Ever. In fact, conversely, I wish everyone great happiness and joy.
Hamza_33 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:52:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"security clearance" - i always said its going to be a typical south asian style leadership, you get one you get them all. the whole family is involved some how.
what was your job btw if you dont mind?
cinepro ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:33:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Trump clarified today that his kids won't be getting security clearance.
Hamza_33 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:51:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
trump doesn't know the meaning of clarify
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:22:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was the structural engineer of record for a few developments of his. Only communicated with him once because I kept bumping heads with the architect. He sided with me and his people paid on time. Not much more I can ask for. Very straight forward and nice guy from my limited experience.
RX3000 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 01:40:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didnt meet him, but saw him at a rally last year & remember thinking, "Wow he really is that orange in real life." I had always just assumed the color on my TV was off a little bit or something. But nope, dude is orange.
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metaxa219 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:48:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a dinner event honoring a family member at Mar-a-Lago a few years ago. The Donald stopped by later on in the evening and shook hands, took pictures, etc. Was very personable in the short exchange I had with him. Apparently he commonly stops in to greet people when he's around.
akjoltoy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:54:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was on the apprentice. He was extremely friendly off camera.
Full disclosure, I am a liberal with a prole upbringing who supported Stein in the election, but I still wanted to share my brief encounter with Trump.
A few years back I had the pleasure of playing golf at Trump National in PV. While I was warming up on the range, I hear a familiar voice "That's a nice swing. You must be a scratch golfer." Low and behold, it's Donald Trump in golf gear and a ball cap. I laugh and tell him I'm not as good as I look. He says he likes my modesty and asks me what I think of the place. I tell him that the grounds are beautiful and that I'm excited to finally play the course. He shakes my hand, graciously thanks me for my patronage and tells me to let his staff know if there's anything I think could be improved about the experience. Then he moved on and chatted with some other folks on the range. Seemed like a nice enough guy to me.
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My family went to New York last December for his policy speech. I close enough to the front of the crowd, that I was able to talk to him after his speech. I introduced myself and asked him a couple questions regarding my views on him, and my politics. He said something that surprised me, and I quote below.
"I love women. I truly do, why else would anyone think otherwise? The proof is in the political pudding and when I am elected I want the women to know, that I'm all for them. Women are great, but they make mistakes. Isn't that why we have check and balances in our country? So they don't get out of hand?"
He was a friendly man, and spoke with less rhetoric than I though he would say in person. I do find it rather uncomfortable some of the things he says. But I believe he exaggerates on purpose and people misinterpret the reality of it.
It's been 15 years since I've spent any time with him. But, back then he was a liberal democrat. Over the course of 2 years, I sat in on numerous private conversations. He was always foul mouthed. Most people thought he was funny. Everything he does is always the best. His employees are always the best. He's a master marketer. He would always say, "no publicity, is bad publicity". I've seen him donate millions of dollars at charity events. Mar a Lago is the only private club on Palm Beach that allows minorities. They hate him there because of that. I've seen him take employees on his private jet, let them use his limos and cars, put them up in trump towers and give them money to go out on the town. And I'm talking about service related job employees. He was a loving father. Great with his kids. Tiffany was a little girl. Baron wasn't born. Ivanka was actually nice. Eric was a Phish t shirt wearing, high school hippie and Don Jr. was as egotistical as you would expect. He had women in positions of power. And honestly the people he spent most of his time with were minorities. Of course celebrities like Russel Simmons and the like. But still minorities. He was a genuine, kind hearted person. I was proud to have known him back then. When he first through his name into the ring, I was excited. And then he started to say some crazy shit! But I truly believe this was all for publicity. And he kept saying crazier and crazier shit, to try to shoot himself in the foot. But that didn't work. So hopefully the liberal democrat I knew 15 years ago is still in there! At this point, that's our best hope. We sure as hell don't want Pence as POTUS!!
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:08:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nearly everyone in this thread who actually claims to know Trump seems shocked at his behaviour during the election. I just don't see how this behaviour helped him. Hillary won the popular vote, I'd think him not being a lunatic would have swayed many more voters. I mean, it worked in the end, would he have won without such a dramatic approach? Maybe being "extreme" was the only answer, I don't know.
His behavior (whether or not it is genuine) had the effect of differentiating him from the extremely large pool of Republican candidates. The average voter can't tell the difference between a dozen candidates so Trumps behavior worked to set him apart from the other candidates. The media of course ate it up and gave him hours upon hours of publicity.
This was a huge publicity stunt gone awry. His message got progressively more extreme as time went on. Because the media and the far right were eating it up. I don't think he ever thought he had a chance. You can tell by his body language since the election. I've never seen him look this way. Where is the confident, ego driven Trump? It's like a complete 180 from campaign Trump.
That's a very dumb thing to say. He doesn't think he has a chance but does 5 rallies a day at the age of 70. I bet Hillary never thought she had a chance that's why she went weeks without campaigning and just got her surrogates working for her, how do you like that?
The truth is Hillary and Trump have been running since Hillary was in college in the 1960's and Trump become a business icon in the 1980's.
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I knew him before Melanie. And he would say, "his only vice was women". And he was definitely living that lifestyle. But I can remember when he first met Melanie. He instantly fell in love. she wore a sheer dress to dinner one night, and I could see why. And just like that, he was a one woman man. As far as I saw.
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What did you do for him?
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I bet both him and Melania one day while golfing with my dad, this was around the time he started purchasing locations for his Trump National line of courses. We were on the first hole and just after teeing off and a cart started coming up the fairway in the opposite direction. He apologized for driving through the game but also complimented me on my drive (I hit the ball pretty good for a little fat kid) and shook my hand and they were on their way. Never really thought much of it but can now say* I shook the hand of a president which as trivial as it sounds is still a pretty cool thing.
This was actually my step-dad who met him but he was at some event and Donald Trump was there. My step-dad was sitting at the bar and offered Donald Trump a drink, Donald said no thanks because he was sober. End of story basically. Pretty interesting though that Trump is sober.
Trump is very anti-alcohol because his brother Fred died due to alcoholism. Even on one episode of Celebrity Apprentice, he "fired"
I think it was Khoe Kardashian because he found out she had a DUI.
I met him at one of my clients about 7 years ago. He walked in the conference room unannounced, with a big smile on his face, and said "I want a piece of this deal! Put me in for 10%!" We were just managing an IT project so we all laughed.
He was gracious, charming, and humble. Shook my hand and made me feel like I was important. Then he and Ivanka posed for pictures with everyone. Honestly nothing like the candidate we saw, which convinced me it was all for show.
wester13 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:15:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to service his Boeing 757 as a line technician when he would come into Las Vegas. I've met him maybe 15 or so times over the years.
He was always pretty nice. He would smile and thank us when getting on or off of his aircraft, and usually would tip $100 both ways.
cmm2016 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:34:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I spent some time with him in his personal office in Trump Tower for what I guess I could describe as a school related thing last summer, and to be honest it was weird but he actually was really pleasant, unexpectedly so. UNTIL this woman came in to review a press release with him and he started yelling at her over the wording in it.
Toward us he was extremely friendly and overall pleasant.
My dad met him at a restaurant. He says he played it cool and they spoke about steaks. My mom says my dad just stared at him in awe when he approached my dad.
Many years ago my husband drove him home in the radio car when he and Ivana had an argument and left in his limo without him. He asked the nearest cop for a ride. He was very nice and respectful and asked my husband if he was married and shrugged his shoulders and said, "then you know these things happen sometimes".
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the IT guy for the building I work in also works with homeland security and has worked directly with any politician visiting our area for whatever reasons (conferences or personal visits), one of these being Donald Trump and has said that he is the most polite well rounded guy, always treats the people working for him/ with him with utmost respect and take pictures/gives autographs whenever anyone asks
mrnixxin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:43:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father had dinner with him when he used to live and work in NYC, many man years ago. I was visiting with him recently and asked him about it; he said that he was extremely nice, polite, not loud, and at least appeared to show a genuine interest during conversation. He's been totally beguiled by his 'persona' this election cycle, and frequently comments "You know he's not really like that, right?"
My grandma was on one of Trump's golf courses once and he saw her walking and offered her a ride in his golf cart. She said he was very nice in her brief encounter. This was probably 20 years ago or so, I think I'll call her and ask her what else she remembers now that he will be the president!
Around 2007 or 08 I think, on a vacation trip with a college buddy we somehow got a free round of golf at one of Trump's courses. Trump was with another guy and asked if they could butt in on our game before we teed off. Of course we said yes.
Trump is the nicest guy. Very, very competitive but in a friendly way, never got mad. My buddy made a joke that we were just playing for fun and he should have mercy on us and Donald said something like "I really would if it wasn't my course but I can't lose on front of my employees. What would they think of me?" He paid for all of our drinks and food. Very cool, very down to earth guy. He was glad that we knew him from being a real estate mogul and he said he was glad we didn't know him as "The WWE guy" as he put it.
He thanked us two or three times and was gracious for letting them hop in on our game...as if he couldn't have just had the staff make us hold up and have him go before us.
TLDR: Play golf with Donald Trump if you want an old man to humiliate you at golf.
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I met him in 1989 at a book signing for "the art of the deal" which everyone should read. Its a great book and has helped me my entire life. He was awesome and took the time to talk to my little brother who is autistic.
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If one is not very careful with a Zippo, the cigar will taste like lighter fluid. It's possible to light a cigar and not impart the taste, it's just very difficult.
(A match can also foul the cigar if done improperly, but it isn't as "easy".)
This will get buried but whatever it's a great story. I was playing Doral with some friends, two of whom were local pros where I'm from, and they were complaining about the course and how the renovations were goofy rather than tests for the golfer (for those not that familiar with golf, the sign of good course design is that you get rewarded for hitting good shots and randomness is kept minimal--fair but tough). Then as we're going up to get the second shots, Donald Trump rolls up right behind us in his cart and (of course) yells: "Isn't this the best damn par 5 you've ever played?" He didn't stop to chat or anything, he just grinned to himself and drove away.
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And now that you've posted this story online and that seed has finally blossomed. This thread is reinforcing to me that Trump is a fucking genius.
Worked on his campaign and at different times this year spent a day with Eric Trump, some time with Ivanka, some time with Donald Jr, and a decent amount of time with Mr. Trump as well.
Never had a bad interaction with any of them, and despite being a staffer on the campaign you got the sense that they valued everyone around them and everything that they were doing.
Some things you never really hear about Mr. Trump are that at nearly every single one of his campaign rallies he would have staff find veterans, wounded vets, and police officers in the crowd and invite them backstage to meet him either before or after the event. If you've never worked on a presidential campaign, this is something usually reserved for elected officials and big donors, but if we were ever running short on time he wanted us to do everything we could to make sure this happened, even if it meant not letting elected officials and the like backstage to meet him.
I didn't start off supporting Mr. Trump in the primary, and was hesitant when I joined the campaign still, but after seeing the level of respect and decency he displayed behind closed doors I was all in.
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rohrst ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:33:18 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandparents frequented his casino when it had the name TRUMP Castle in Atlantic City. I don't know if their frequent visits made them high rollers or what, but they use to say how Trump made it a point to talk to them with every visit. Trump came into the restaurant and sat at their table and talked with them for like 10 minutes and whether they briefed him to freshen his memory or not, I don't know, BUT he knew them by name and remembered what my grandfather did for a living and would ask every time. He'd call them in their room after arriving, and tell the different workers to take care of them.
My grandmother misplaced her watch during one of the visits, she expressed this to Trump when he visited them and he promised the hotel would find it. They couldn't, but a replacement showed up in the mail within days with a note signed by Mr Trump detailing a jeweler 10 minutes from their home to visit if the watch needed resizing and that the expense would be taken care of.
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I have a (very liberal) friend that does teleprompter work in LA and he was hired to run the teleprompter for one of Trump's speeches (maybe 4-6 months ago). He went to a house that presumably belonged to Trump somewhere here in LA. He said the house was really nice, but not nearly as lavish as he expected. He said there were quite a few people around and a lot of commotion but that above all else, Trump just seemed really, really tired and kept commenting to that effect. My buddy was there for a couple hours just hanging out before they finally started working through the speech on the teleprompter. He said Trump wasn't overly nice or a dick, he just cordially focused on the task at hand and that was about it. Afterwards, he thanked my buddy and gave him a $50 bill as a tip. My buddy felt very conflicted about the whole interaction because he felt like he was helping his enemy (and in a way he was).
eazolan ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 23:38:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who disagree with you politically are not "The enemy". If you view them as such, you've either been programmed, or you're literally in the middle of a revolution.
there's disagreeing with someone politically, then there is disagreeing on issues as fundamental as human rights and liberty. It's hard not see someone as an enemy that is threatening your way of life or your personhood.
Not saying Trump is doing those things, but also not not saying that.
eazolan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:49:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard not see someone as an enemy that is threatening your way of life or your personhood.
I think it humanize him a bit in my buddy's eyes, but it didn't change his political disagreements with Trump. One funny side note--he didn't know what to do with the $50. A part of him felt like it was given to him by (the now) future president and that's just kind of cool, the other part of him felt like there was no way to prove it was from Trump and $50 is $50. I should ask him, but I bet he just ended up spending it.
DogBarq ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:09:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That conflict your friend felt was cognitive dissonance. His brain was having a hard time resolving the conflict of the programmed view of the public person versus the person he actually met.
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[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:11:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was right below the surface. If you let articles, social media, or news shows tell you how to feel/think about him (I did) then you didn't get the true picture (I didn't.)
Go back and watch what he actually said on the campaign trail in their full context and decide for yourself.
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Yes. A thousand times yes
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Amen. Even now the media prefaces everything with "After a long and divisive campaign, Trump (ate a steak dinner)". And try to find an article that doesn't mention his "misogyny" or "racism" like it is a settled debate that he is both.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:59:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, HITLER ate dinner, too.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:17:03 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Dude. Did he not say all the crazy shit he said? Did the media make him say pussy grabber?
Oh my hell. I am so sick of this shit. This is the one thing everyone falls back on. "Trump did this amazing thing" PUSSY GRABBER "Trump tipped entry level staff $100 with regularity" PUSSY GRABBER "I've interacted with Trump 20 or so times and he was genuine and down to earth every time" PUSSY GRABBER
Likeโฆ give it a fucking rest. He said that in 2005 behind closed doors in a machismo pissing match with another celebrity. Not gonna say what he said was okay, but what IS okay is a person making a mistake. No one said he's perfect. The media DOES twist headlines to paint him negatively literally every day. Both you and I and 99% of men on this planet have likely described women in a piggish way amongst friends at least once in their life.
I'm not even a Trump mega fan. I'm disappointed in a lot of things he's said. But what I am a fan of is just being logical and fair. Continuing to drag out the pussy grabber thing as the end-all be-all of his character is neither logical nor fair, it's bullshit.
And this is a great thread. Thanks for starting it.
eazolan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:35:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When "that guy" was Bush, the media savaged him. When "that guy" was Romney, the media savaged him.
Being "that guy" is a liability. It was better to go on the offensive to deal with a media that was solely on the Democrat's side.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:06:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing he said was as bad as the media made it out to be. Not defending things he has said. But like out of all the crazy Trump talk... there really aren't that many direct quotes that are that bad. Especially if you take the full context.
You think the media would show anything nice about Trump? Even now they are still at it!
nomi1030 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:42:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was appealing to a huge base of voters and telling them what they wanted to hear. That is how you get elected in America.
yuube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:01 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was more just showing that hes willing to have dissenting opinion and stand up for what he thinks is right, whether he follows through with certain things or not. That was his appeal, more than just telling people what they wanted to hear. Him and his vp actively disagree on things, I dont remember that happening in my life time.
cinepro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People say that all the time about candidates (usually the losing ones). If you see the documentary "Mitt" which shows Romney behind the scenes of his 2012 campaign, it shows a totally different side of him. When Bob Dole did the talk show circuit after his loss in 1996, he was funny, personable and came off as a really great guy, whereas during the campaign he was just old and boring.
yuube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:08 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The internet allowed this cycle to change, hence the person they tried to shoot down as usual won.
ro50 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 19:24:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted this a while back but it sort of got buried. I didn't meet or talk to Donald but I could say I dealt with him since he was paying me to work. Anyway...
When I was in college, we got paid to valet cars at Donald Trump's mansion in Palm Beach for a party he was hosting. The craziest cars you can think of kept pulling up and we got all sorts of warnings from the owners like "this car costs more than your life kid.. don't scratch it!". Another guest told my friend as he tried to park his car "that's not a car son... that is fine automobile. One of only 50 ever made...) Many of these cars were convertibles which becomes relevant in just a second. Anyway, Donald had his own private golf course in his backyard and his whole lot stretched from the inter-coastal to the ocean. We were instructed to park these cars on the fairways of 2 holes of his private course. We did this and once most of the guests were inside sipping champagne we basically just had to wait around to pull their cars up when they were ready to leave. About an hour into the party, the golf course sprinklers, which were set on a timer, kick on and they are soaking these Rolls Royces and Bentleys with reclaimed water that stinks like sulfur. As I mentioned earlier, many of these cars were convertibles. Chaos ensued and we tried to move many of the cars off of the course while someone desperately tried to find the shut off valve for the sprinklers. I remember people who worked for Trump shouting confusing directions like "Check the utility box located at the hair salon!!" (the hair salon? at someone's house? what?!?!) I secretly loved everything that was happening but did my best to follow frantic instructions to ensure I got paid. So we finally move most of the convertibles and they figure out where the off switch is for the sprinklers but the guests are pissed. While we didn't actually interact with Donald we heard word from guests and the house staff that they felt it was our fault the cars got soaked and we wouldn't be allowed back to work any of the parties. (Eerily similar to Judge Smails blaming his golf club flying into the Havercamp's lunch table on Danny Noonan.) I know Trump is not exactly private with his displays of wealth but that party, the guests, all the cars, and that house had to have been the most obscenely wealthy collection of pompous windbags ever to assemble in Palm Beach county. If this didn't take place in 1995 I would have documented the whole thing on my cell phone. That's my only regret...
When i was a child my mom would take me into NYC for the day(from ct) every year as i loved all the sights. I wanted to go to Trump Tower since my parents and I watched The Apprentice frequently, and I wanted to see the building it took place in. When we arrived it was a busy afternoon, and throngs of people seemed to be going in and out of the building. I obliviously wandered away from my mom, towards the door, and didnt notice the crowd of people being warded off by security. I hadnt been noticed, i assume because i was small, and continued on my way.
At the door, a man in a large jacket opened it and held it for me as I passed throough. The man said something along the lines of "here you go sir" I didn't look up, as I felt anxious suddenly being alone, so I just said a quick thank you and scuttled off to the edge of the crowd, just then realizing that she was not with me and was held back on the other side of the door. When she got to me she was so excited and asked if I knew who I had just met. I said no but a nice man had held the door for me and that i remembered to say thank you. The man had been been Donald himself. It was like a scene from Home Alone.
When this happened, I never thought I'd have a relevant place to tell this story, and it's odd how much has changed.
Not a fan of him or the campaign he ran, but before that I always respected him for being down to earth enough to hold a door open for a kid, which must be a hassle with such little hands.
rgliszin ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:46:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
last line, fuckin hell.
cinepro ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:41:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The man had been been Donald himself. It was like a scene from Home Alone.
I'm so baffled by how he seems to be genuinely kind and a shark when it comes to business and a complete loon on television?! Juggling all these personalities seems a bit schizo or at the very least, tiresome.
chsp73 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:06:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Him being a shark is at least part of what has made him so successful in business. You can't be soft and successful in his line of work.
As to his public persona-- it's what he had to do to draw attention to himself for the election. To add to that, at least part of his "craziness" during his campaign was fabricated by the media.
I work in NYC real estate and know a lot of people who have worked with hiM and his family members. He's very cordial and charming even. Generous too - if he likes you. Some have said he's a genius. Some have said he's a moron. He's also said to have trust issues and relies very closely on family.
Edited to add: Just because he's a "nice guy" to people I know does NOT mean I think he'd be a good president. As a born and bred NYer its quite obvious to me that this guy is in it for himself. He's been in our local news cycle for both the good and the bad since the early 80s at least.
My Dad's company built the ornamental facades on several of his casinos. He's a hard ass but fair and always has a great staff working for him. He gave my family a crystal globe shaped paperweight as a Christmas present.
My father was heavily invloved in real estate in the eighties. He was the head of a real estate company that was the largest commercial landlord on the west coast. I asked him one time if he had ever tried to do a deal with Trump. His response was yes and he is an asshole. My father was a southern gentleman and during his life seldom heard him curse and never heard him descibe another person this way. My pop was also a true republican conservative hor what it is worth.
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to be fair your father and Trump were business enemies lol
Trump is a true New Yorker. Most people outside of New York don't understand the swag and brashness and are really biased. In a way it's like people think Southerns are slow and red necks because of their accents. I hope we become more tolerant of regional differences and start seeing each other as individuals. The MSM is NOT helping.
Not me personally but my father did once. Being a long time Las Vegas developer of mostly office space and hangars he's met almost all the big names in the town, (Wynn/Adelson too for example). He once met Donald Trump in respect to a proposed business park I believe. In the meeting he said he was like most other business man but that his plan basically to sell his name and attach it to the project for a certain fee. This way Trump would take none of the risk, but gotten paid whether the project was a success or not in exchange for upcoming business part receiving the brand name recognition of 'Trump'. Basically the interesting/clever part was that Trump got paid his fee regardless of the project did well or not.
More interestingly my father once met Melania Trump. He said once he got over her looks he was extremely surprised that she seemed to be one of the brightest people in the room.
raq0916 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:04:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family is very involved in the NJ boxing hall of fame club. Every year, they pick someone new to induct, and then they have a big dinner every year with all the members and the inductees. 2 years ago, we had Mike Tyson. Last year, just before he announced he was running, Trump was nominated because of his contributions (he hosts a LOT of boxing matches). He sent a very nice letter saying how he could not attend, but how greatful he was that he was picked. Letter was really nice
My father works in a skilled trade in NYC and has seen Trump on several of the same job sites, wearing a hard helmet and talking with the workers. He hasn't personally spoken to him, but he says it's not often to see someone in that high of a position talking to the average construction worker.
I got the chance to meet him at a small room discussion with my father and about 20 others. He seemed charismatic and a decent individual. He allowed questions and I asked him what he thought his biggest failure was and he said "That doesn't matter, what matters is that I bounced back up" I got a selfie with him as a joke but little did I realize he would end up becoming our president.
smdcdiaf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:19:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This entire thread has made me feel even more conflicted. This is almost empowering.
My parents had lunch with him. They said he was a lot taller and skinnier than they thought. All in all, said they were very impressed by him.
aratarat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:15:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him at mar-a-lago when I was about 8. He was walking around the outside dining area saying hello to everyone. He seemed calm and pleasant. He shook my hand. It was soft. He shook my stepbrother's hand. He said he was never going to wash that hand again.
I was 8... so that's all I remember.
lizrds ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:44:19 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father worked on the campaign for Fox News form the beginning. He said that out of all of the candidates, Trump was the kindest and the easiest to work with. Said he was always the first one on set, making sure everyone was ok and had what they needed. My dad said Donald was nothing like how he was being portrayed, which is interesting to me. Also, I have way too many photos of my father with Donald Trump.
In early 2015, my grandmother was walking in NYC outside of Trump Tower with a friend when Trump came out of the building, accompanied by two massive bodyguards. My grandma's friend shoved her towards Trump to get a photo, but his body guards put their arms out and told her to "get the hell out of here." Then, in her words: "The Donald told THEM to get the hell out of here and waved to me to come over to him. He put his arm around my shoulders for the photo, and chatted a little with me after." In short, although she's not a fan of his politically, he came off as totally charming and welcoming.
To clarify, she didn't mean to indicate that his behavior with the arm was in any way creepy - just the opposite. According to her, it was just a nice, extroverted gesture.
My grandfather did some interior design work for him at the Taj Majal. He has told me that he was very passionate about his work and extremely detail oriented. My grandfather met him a couple of times, albeit brief, and said he was very short but genuine with his words
In 1992 I lived in New York City and was eating at a popular Broadway restaurant Joe Allen. Trump had just gotten his girlfriend Marla Maples a job in a broadway show and they came in. He walked around the perimeter of the restaurant nodding and smiling at anyone who made eye contact with him or acknowledged him. He was a pompous showman but it was kind of cool. And this was almost 25 years ago.
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PanicLiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually a great presidential quality. He won't have to get used to playing golf all the time bc he is already so good at it.
My family growing up worked for him in the casinos, I'm from Atlantic city. He was always a class act, this is in the 90s. He voluntarily footed my Nanas hospital bills we couldn't afford when she got cancer that really impressed me. To be fair I'll point out we aren't immigrants haha.
He wouldn't sign a fake billion dollar bill I had at one of his rallies :(
dsound ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:30:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend and I were at the whisky bar on 59th and 6th ave in NYC. We're sitting there quietly enjoying our whisky and starring out at the wintery weather. Suddenly the door bursts open and a man with wild hair comes running in. He yells "MY LIMO BROKE DOWN, MY LIMO BROKE DOWN!!" Mind you this is before the days of cell phone use. He asks the bartender if he can use his phone to call a mechanic. I hear him on the phone offering some guy $50 to come down and fix the engine. I look outside and there's a large limo and standing outside is DT. He as reading a newspaper. The driver asked for a shot of bourbon, downed it and went about his merry way. He left the bartender a $100 tip. He slipped in fell when he walked outside and DT went over and whispered something to him. They both got back in the limo and drove off.
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At first I assumed the man with wild hair was Trump. What a twist!
mclwv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May be late to the party but the one interaction I had with him I was young and was throwing out the first pitch for the somerset patriots baseball game, as well as me, trump and a few others were also throwing out first pitches. Well we were there on the field waiting and then trump comes in lands on the field with a helicopter, then while waiting in line for the first pitch my father had conversation with him and the others also in line. Was a fun memory
I will say this, from this thread, trump sounds like a nice man. However, my Father is a nice man, but he also doesn't believe in global warming, legitimately thinks Obama is from Kenya, doesn't support gay marriage/abortion, can be unknowingly racist at times, which is pretty ironic because he married a black woman, and is terrifying when he's mad. My point is just because you're a nice person doesn't mean you're fit to be president.
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rafraska ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:29:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister works at a law firm in Scotland who has dealt with Trump and his son. She never met Trump but she said Eric Trump came to their building after he went golfing and was a complete arse, he apparently flooded the shower rooms for no reason.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:46:14 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I've ever heard about the Trump kids says that Donald Jr, Ivanka, and Tiffany are all very nice but Eric is an asshole
rafraska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:54 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair he has always struck me as a bit of an idiot, especially when he illegally posted a picture of his own ballot paper..
tcmaddox ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to come to a thread where the top 200+ comments have been removed
soniko_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:05:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure it was people just bashing him
uncre8ive ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:39:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandad played golf with him a couple decades ago. He said that trump cheated like a mother and wouldn't shut up when my grandad was trying to swing. He basically hated the sonofabitch for years because of it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:00:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha men are funny. Or humans in general. Funny story.
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Someone I know used to work as a secretary at Cantor Fitzgerald in NY. She said he was very intimidating. She walked into the lobby to use the fancy bathroom and ran into him and his entourage. A group of guys at least 6 feet tall and his daughter also wearing a black suit. Said he looks exactly the same in person, same scowl. She froze, and he glanced at her then back at his security guard and asked if Howard was in (the CEO). He wasn't in so he told her to tell Howard he said hi. She's met a few celebrities there, like Steve Buscemi, but Trump was definitely the most frightening for her. But she's also a very short and easily scared person so I guess most guys around that height would seem intimidating to her.
Trump's 6 foot 3 or about 190 centimers. Average for a US male is 5 foot 10, 177 centimeters.
That's definitely intimidatingly tall to many people. Maybe he's got some Dutch blood in him; he'd fit right in here.
Funny, I actually always pictured him as a smaller guy, but he's actually rather tall.
vitaymin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he looks smaller in photos because he's surrounded by other tall people, like his family
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:45 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He seems shorter because in photos he's about the same height as his wife and daughter. What most people don't realize is that Melania and Ivanka are both 5'11/180cm plus they always wear high heels, bringing them both to his height or close to his height.
There have been some seemingly contradictory ones though, for example paying someone's mortgage off, tipping hundreds of dollars, then landing his helicopter in the middle of the green at a golf club and making the club pay for it.
He owned the golf club. My guess is, he was probably planning to re-do all of the greens anyways. He's a businessman, he's not going to waste his money for 1 helicopter landing. And making the club pay for it means he probably raised the club dues, but guy also said he made the club much better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:47 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that same golf club story the writer said that Trump made huge improvements to the course and elevated its prestige so much that it's now used in elite tournaments. Which means he was planning to redo the whole green anyway, and it's totally normal to pass the cost of that along to the members.
Yeah but like half the comments have been removed...Wtf?
poppamack ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:16:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this thread needs another story like this but my uncle told me a story about a guy he knows whom worked for Donald at a golf course up in NJ/NY. This guy had worked there for a long time until he died one day. Donald had the whole funeral expense free for the family at the country club.
I used to work in Trump Plaza and saw him quite a few times. His hair is so much weirder in person a foot from your face. It's like a goddamn Howler Monkey died on his head.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:43:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He came to a resort event at one of his properties and spoke to the group. This was pretty recently and he never once spoke about politics, just about the hospitality industry and resorts in general. Nice guy.
Trump came and gave a speech in my old elementary school in northern mass. I shook his hand but we only exchanged a simple greeting. I have him my "good luck" and the line went on. Seemed pretty nice to a supporter
TedyCruz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend who works as a chef in a restaurant near one of his Scottish golf courses got a 200 pound tip and a handshake.
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I'm probably too late for this, and it isn't a personal experience but my cousin. He was high up in a major company, they were discussing leasing the buildings which later became the towers along Riverside Drive on the West Side. The company was going to make it it's headquarters.... Anyway, they're close to finishing this deal and my cousin goes to a meeting with Trump's people when it was reported from his people that at this meeting, there would be a very special guest, and Mr. Trump his holiness would be at the meeting. My cousin thought whoopty-doo (/s)... Anyway the meeting is underway and mind you this major deal is just about finished... Trump explains that it would have Trump ::NAME OF COMPANY:: Studios. My cousin said absolutely not, your name doesn't go in front of our company... Trump says something along the lines of are you sure you don't want to call your boss... are you willing to lose your career over this. My cousin said I don't have to call my boss, I know what he'll say. The meeting ended. Trump actually called his boss. He said my cousin was right. Deal died. My cousin's boss said to my cousin... "I'm surprised you didn't tell him to go fuck himself."
I wonder how many times he did this and it worked.
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[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:20:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father did architectural lighting design for a trump hotel over a decade ago. Him and an emirate from Dubai are the only two clients who have refused to pay the agreed upon price in the contract. That ended my fathers interactions with trump because his lawyers took over after that, and continually told my father that he needed to accept 1/3 of the contracted upon price for the already completed work or to see them in court. Obviously there are two degrees of separation in this story, but thats the only relevancy hes had in my life up to this year.
I'm from the atlantic city area. That story rings over and over again around here with blue collar small companies. Pretty much anyone that was in business in the 80s/90s got burned by the don. god forbid you actually file on him. the legal goons would show up and off you a third or else they'd motion and drag it on forever. Every dumbie around thought they could out smart the don. never worked.
thwoomp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:53:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting to see how he behaves when he actually has something to lose. Not to say that Trump is a terrible person, but I think it's shallow to form an opinion of someone based on the kinds of passing interactions this thread is full of.
It's in the interests of a public-facing businessman to put on a friendly face to the general public: tussles kid's hair, tip service people generously, take photos with fans. It's not always in the interests of a real estate developer to be friendly and fair to people whom he owes a great deal of money. I'm sure he has paid plenty of people in full, but during those many times when he was strapped for cash I'd imagine he screwed a lot of people over.
I think that to get as wealthy as Trump has in the business he is in, you have to be quite Machiavellian at times. He's certainly no angel, at any rate.
db8r_boi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:19:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more likely that there were defects in performance. As an attorney, I've dealt with many issues where a client was not satisfied with the work they thought they were getting. The easiest way to deal with that is to offer less as a settlement, then hire someone else to fix the mistakes. I would bet that's Trump's M.O.
Not saying he's never just stiffed someone, I obviously don't know, but for someone who makes as many deals as Trump, there are bound to be a lot of disputes.
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I think its more likely that there was no issue with the design, and that trump just wanted to save money. I work in the lighting design industry now, and people try to slash our budget all the time. My father is a highly respected and highly talented member of the industry with many continued clients going back as far as the 80s. The quality of our work is reviewed and approved through every step of the design process of which there are typically 6 major steps. 50% Design 100% Design 50% Schematic 100% Schematic 50% Construction and 100% Construction. If you dont like the quality of work you dont just not pay them after 100% CD, you tell them in design and if they dont fix it you push them off the project and rehire. Trump received 100% of the agreed upon services with no complaint and then refused to pay at the end when the bulk of payment is sent out. Maybe the work wasnt up to snuff, but thats not our fault when the work is approved every step of the way. And dont say maybe it had to do with the final product, because thats on the gm and the electricians to make sure the install goes to design. Thats a different budget.
db8r_boi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's a fair analysis of your particular situation, and I don't think you're lying or wrong. Having been on the legal side of the equation (not for Trump), however, I disagree that your interpretation is the only interpretation of the situation. I have clients who often don't want to pay certain contractors who they believe have stiffed them out of something they agreed to. In those situations, the contractor invariably claims to have provided all of the agreed upon services. Sometimes the owner is being an ass, sometimes the contractor is being shady, and sometimes there was simply a miscommunication somewhere in the process that wasn't caught until completion and neither side is objectively wrong. I've been involved in disputes where the owner supposedly agreed to a design, and then the final design was not what they expected. Offering a reduced price for the work performed is way better than what my clients usually want to do (which is to pay nothing).
However, my comment wasn't really directed at you, it was directed at the generalizations thwoomp and tornadoRadar were making about Trump's practices in general. For all I know, your father was/is an impeccable, god-like architectural lighting designer, and Trump just stiffed him for no reason. The point of my comment was to point out that Trump has hired dozens or hundreds of contractors every year for 40+ years. At least some of them probably did a poor job, and at least some of those probably disagree that they did a poor job. If the dispute rate is even 10% (and, in my experience, it's higher than that), then there will be literally hundreds or thousands of contractors claiming to have been stiffed by Trump, and they may all be in the wrong. Even good contractors have one or two jobs where they just underperform. I've seen it happen. So, Trump may have legitimate disputes with good, reputable contractors, and that doesn't mean he's a cheapskate or fraud. It just means he does a lot of business and the odds are not in his favor.
EDIT: On the flip side, I admit that there is the possibility that Trump may just be a ruthless, unethical businessman. I obviously can't know from my position as an uninvolved observer.
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And thats more then a fair response. I also apologize if my comment seemed aggrivated or inflammatory. Its become a family buisiness and were very proud of the quality of our work and i hold my father to incredibly high standards.
db8r_boi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I apologize for making it sound like your father was a poor craftsman. That was not my intention.
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I didn't expect this many comments, but to be fair he has likely had countless dealings in many large cities like NYC and Chicago, so I think that it's very possible that he's at least interacted with a very large number of people, some of whom probably use reddit.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree this isn't that strange, most of these are pretty plausible. Some are a little out there but that is too be expected and who knows, maybe they are telling the truth.
a3wagner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:04:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible -- and, I'll admit, I could be wrong -- that there could be a small amount of selection bias. Y'know, since the only people who are supposed to answer are the people who have met Trump in exactly the fashion you describe.
I've got a story that's third hand, so take it as you will.
I have a family member who is an architect. He was a principal at a major NYC firm in the 00s. That firm had worked on Trump tower in the mid-80s and one of the principals at the time told my family member this story.
Trump wasn't paying them. He had paid SOME money, but long after the project ended, he still had an outstanding invoice (not as uncommon for architects as media makes you think, but most clients do pay eventually)
This principal shows up at Trump tower and speaks to Trump directly as he's leaving a meeting. Says he's going to sue Trump for the balance and interest+fees if he doesn't pay up.
Trump points at the meeting room he just left and says (paraphrasing): "i've got 30 lawyers in there, good luck."
This guy responds "I've got one lawyer, and we're going to get our money" conversation ends.
Sure enough, they got paid. I omitted identifying info because I don't know if the information is confidential.
TLDR: Trump tried to use his money and legal team to scare away a potential lawsuit. Lost.
Yea so that's kinda the business model he's got going there. Take a step back and think about it; For every ten people he pays less than contract on due to some technicality ten arn't going to sue. Right off the bat he's saving money. Then for the % that do sue, he's got legal on staff. Its a fixed expense for him. He knows he can run your bill up which is exactly what he wants. Then a % of those that sue are gona drop out when they get their first legal bill. So now he's down to settling a fraction of a fraction of the contractors. Which makes business sense if there are enough contractors/vendors to burn through. I know in the atlantic city area he's burnt through the majority of the blue collar companies when he was building his places in AC. Its ruthless, its a dick move, its terrible for small businesses; but from his side it does work.
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Yeah. The one he raped?
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The one who he was rumored to have raped is Ivana, but she claims it never happened and the rumors are untrue, stating:
โThe story is totally without merit. Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised three children that we love and are very proud of. I have nothing but fondness for Donald and wish him the best of luck on his campaign. Incidentally, I think he would make an incredible president.โ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:22 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rumours such as those don't appear out of thin air. It's just as possible that he raped his ex-wife but then had the incident swept under the rug.
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Ivana herself, the supposed victim, stating multiple times that he never raped her isn't the same as it being swept under the rug. The rumor first started during their divorce which was huge tabloid fodder because both Donald and Ivana were big names. Tabloids spread untrue rumors about celebrities all the time. Ivana has said again and again that he never raped her, yet people choose to ignore her because they want to believe that he's a rapist. If you'd believe a woman who claimed he did rape her, why won't you believe a woman who claims he didn't rape her?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:18 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because she told the world that it did happen, provided testimony than later claimed that that testimony was 'without merit'. Now, conveniently.... she retracts her testimony, claiming that he did not rape her. Sounds suspiciously like it's been swept under the rug, right? Or do your conspiracy theories only swing one way?
The architecture firm I used to work at put in a proposal for the Trump tower in Chicago. After submitting sketches and going through a bunch of meetings they decided to go with a much smaller and cheaper firm. The final design looks almost identical to the designs we submitted down to the details. I never met Trump in person but my boss did, and he hated Trump. Said he was rude, cheap, and had no taste. He said a bunch of other horrible things about Trump too but that might have just been him being his angry old German self.
Yeah, I was never sure how much was legit criticism of Trump and how much was just my boss being mad we didn't get the job. He was generally a very angry man. Again though, the level of similarity between the sketches we submitted which Trump loved and the final building are uncanny. To the point where I find it hard to believe Trump didn't just take one of our sketches to the other firm and say "build this". So the impression I got was that he ripped us off because he doesn't give a shit about IP, design, or honesty, just getting things as cheap as possible (but what businessman doesn't?). I heard a rumor in the architectural circles that the firm he went with got mad at him to because he ended up skimping on materials and put in way cheaper stuff than they specified. I think it's probably true because they've had trouble from day 1 with the windows, walls, and fire suppression system. The firm he went with is cheaper than my old firm, but still good and well respected so I doubt they'd specify the shitty window glazing he went with.
Oh god no. He thought Trump had no taste in general, not specifically about the building. My old boss was very much into straight lines, black, gray, red stainless steel and glass. And nothing else. Whereas Trump likes everything gold plated. I'm guessing they got into a fight about something Trump wanted gold or marble and my boss wanted black or gray lol
Oh totally, his ego know no bounds. I think he was especially pissed though because they had us go through several rounds of redesigns, then dropped us for the cheaper firm and basically built our design. But Trump is famous for screwing over people to save a few bucks so I'm not sure what my boss expected. They both have such egos I'll bet my boss was pitching numbers way to high and trump was low balling him and they could never meet in the middle.
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chili01 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:46:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him in the Trump hotel in Las Vegas once. I didn't notice who it was at first. I kinda did a half-assed hand waive/raise. He looked at me and nodded, then went on his way.
My best friends dad was a taxi driver and he happened to pick up Trump. He said it was a short drive and came out to $4.50, Trump gave him 50 cents in tip.
rkhbusa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:34:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For several decades, I worked in the entertainment industry in New York. Trump would show up as a guest of the CEO of our company a dozen or so times per year. He was considerate, smart, polite, self-effacing, and basically the polar opposite of everything we've now come to know him as (at least in his public persona). Keith Olbermann, who likewise dealt with Trump a handful of times over a few decades, wrote a column in 2015 that summed up well my own ambivalence about Trump. Olbermann couldn't tell whether the thoughtful, impressive Trump he was acquainted with personally was the real guy, and whether the loony, blowhard, bigot demagogue was the act--or vice versa. Olbermann's conclusion was that it didn't matter, because we are where we are with Trump, either way: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2015/11/08/keith-olbermann-has-us-asking-will-the-real-donald-trump-please-stand-up/
Might be too late for this one, but I got to do a 15 minute video shoot with him in Trump tower last November.
He was very nice, professional, and polite.
Although he oddly did keep asking to be put on the cover of the magazine I was shooting for... Couldn't tell if he was joking or not.
luckyAZ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:16:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dealt with Donald in the casino business. He was a true gentelman and visionary. He made very tough, but correct decisions. Sorry to dissapoint the hate mongers. He is smart, accountable, and truly vested in his projects. I learned quite a bit from him. He is an all around good guy IMHO.
Didn't meet him, but in the mid-2000s I was working as an estimator for a contractor in NYC. First job for a Trump owned space came across my desk my boss told me to pad my bid by 50% to ensure we wouldn't get the job. Apparently he had a habit of not paying for work done until the company decided to litigate.
Nackles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:09:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, dumb question: Why didn't your boss just not put in a bid at all, if he didn't want it?
I've heard stories of him doing business this way. He is said to have ripped off tons of contractors and workers.
pawsii ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:13:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in construction on the management side and this is not exclusive to trump. For most of these types of contracts they are what is called design build, the GC (general contractor) in these cases accepts a contract to build a what ever and meets certain requirements and then often sets up payment schedules most of the time tied to deliverables or project milestones. The GC then bids out certain portions of the work (sub-contractors) and most of the time thy put a clause in the contracts that states that even if the actual work is done they won't pay until they get paid. If at the end of a project the client decides that the requirements haven't been met (schedule, quality or any number of things) then they will withhold final payment and possibly the retainment which can be a significant % of the total contract then nobody gets paid. Litigation then ensues somebody eats it, if it is the GC and some of the sub-contractors underperformed then they won't get paid ever.
The project that I'm working on now has over 5000 pages of requirements of which and average subcontractor will read a couple hundred, lots of stuff gets missed, and companies don't get paid.
That's terrifying. That's not loophole as much as codifying attrition through sheer volume as a default MO.
pawsii ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work on building datacenters big ones. Last one was a 54 MW(Mega Watts) site for phase one at the end of phase 4 capacity will be over 150 MW. Lots of requirements for a project that size.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:48:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think he got so rich? Hard work or screwing people out of money?
If you know anything about building you'd know you have a shit load of bills and everyone gets paid as late as possible and if anything is up in the air which happens over work that should be done then there's grid lock. Grid lock happens a lot, people want to be paid right away and they are doing a slow, or shitty job or doing it wrong or have an emergency and want money quickly. It's just the nature of the job.
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Long time lurker, first time poster.
I live in Iowa City. A ton of political candidates come here to reach out to college-age students. Trump had a rally here and one of my buddy's and his friends were standing in the front row. (Supposedly the rally had an extremely negative atmosphere. Lots of racial slurs being thrown around the crowd)
After it was all said and done, Trump came down off the stage and my buddies had the opportunity to talk to him.
They asked him 'if you're elected president, are you REALLY going to deport all Muslims?' (Iowa City has a fairly large Muslim community.)
Apparently, he said something along the lines of 'Of course not, I'm not going to do anything to them. It's all for media attention.'
This made me think.. is Trump ACTUALLY racist and hate-filled... or did he psychologically troll everyone in America.. I still haven't the slightest idea.
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I'm late to the thread, and this is not my story, but my Therapist's friend runs a contracting firm in NY. He has several stories, but they're all basically the same. Trump would contract his services to build a building, they would agree on price, ETC. The next day, Trump would call him asking if they could renegotiate the deal to give Trump the edge. This would go on basically until Trump had to pay. After a couple rounds of this, the guy who ran the firm apparently told his secretary "If Donald Trump calls, tell him I'm busy". A week later, Trump tracked him down to bug him about changing the deal.
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Luigone1 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:46:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So my Uncle used to work as an executive for AMPAS (The Academy Awards). He retired a few years back, and for his finale he got my girlfriend and me tickets to the ceremony.
We take our seats on the ground floor, a few sections back. So we're decently close but not rubbing elbows with nominees or anything. Now when we sit down, there are two open seats to my left that stay open until about 10 or 15 minutes until the ceremony begins.
And who sits down next to me but Donald and Melania Trump...
This was back in 2011, so he hadn't even mentioned his presidential ambitions, he was just in the midst of the birther bullshit. We didn't speak, but he had a scowl on his face for most of the ceremony and she was texting almost the entire time. I was so surprised that he was in a bad mood when I could barely think of a reason why he should be there in the first place.
Just to play devil's advocate, maybe he had to be there, or Melania wanted to go? I mean, I've been to many events with a lady where I thought the event was lame. Could have had other things on his mind?
Just seems unfair to say you were "unimpressed" or call him "overrated" when his only crime was not smiling at an awards ceremony that IS total BS (IMHO).
Luigone1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, I get what you're driving at. But the thing is, he's not a movie producer, he wasn't involved in any of the films that were up that year. The guy is a TV star, not an Academy member. I asked my uncle about it and I think the only reason he managed to wrangle an invitation was because he's loaded.
I was mostly just joking and describing him in his own terms, but what I was unimpressed by was the fact that he had no reason to be there and still managed to have a lousy time.
My lady and I were fully aware that we were just a couple of schlubs who got lucky so we were beaming the whole night!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:53 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He may have been there for networking purposes, lots of networking happens at awards ceremonies and after-parties. Lots of investors and businessmen are involved in the film business. There's tons of overlap between TV and movie production and back in 2011 he was very involved with NBC and Univision. He also may have been there because he accepted an invitation.
vic39 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:08:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So my father in law is a partner at a law firm in california. He didnt work with Trump but a lot of his coworkers did on a case for a golf course. They racked up manu billing hours and refused to pay the full fee. They paid like 60% and basically said fuck you. It wasnt a large amount (five figures) and cut it as a loss as a court hearing could potentially cost more plus the headache wasn't worth it for the firm. Thats how he does business apparently all the time.
? I don't see your point. The fact of the matter is, Trump benefited from stiffing regular workers and contractors. This shows what type of person he is MORE than some pointless pleasantries of people walking past him/shaking his hand/signing his book, etc. Yet, he was elected by people who see him as someone whose "looking out for the little guy", when he does EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE in his everyday life outside of politics. It's the retarded, uneducated, redneck toothless hilljacks of this country who are too stupid to recognize the dissonance.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that him ripping off elites does not contradict his position that he stands for the little guy. Do you understand now little guy? Should i simplify it further for you?
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You're an idiot rofl. You think there weren't secretaries, paralegals and clerks in the office that worked hundreds of hours into this case who are employed by the firm? Do they deserve to be stiffed less because they aren't the elite?
Well the law firm thought not so so they paid them their wages anyway and took the hit. Trump, not so much.
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Lawyers are hated by everyone
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My octogenarian, adorably proper grandparents ran into him at his restaurant in New York about 10 years ago. They made a reservation for dinner at his fine dining type place, arrived a few minutes early and were seated at the bar to have drinks before dinner. Around this time, apparently, Mr. Trump decided that he'd rather like to dine in his restaurant that evening, in spite of it being fully booked. They had to bump my grandparents' reservation. They (true to form) did not appreciate his whim disrupting their dinner plans. Trump blustered into the restaurant with his entourage, a group of 12 or so people who gave the staff notice of ~4 minutes to prepare for their arrival. He was being very outgoing with everyone in the room, seeming to enjoy being recognized by and interacting with the patrons; meanwhile, his staff scurried around to absorb this disruption. When he approached my grandparents at the bar to say hello and offer to take a picture or something, he chatted swaggering with them a bit and then he stuck his hand out to my grandfather, who very deliberately ignored it. Trump, clearly not expecting him to be so flatly unimpressed by his celebrity, mumbled a bit more to my grandmother, and then walked away to be seated, his group in tow.
My grandfather is not now and has apparently never been highly amusable, and he is still decidedly unimpressed with Trump.
evantide2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:54:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather is not now and has apparently never been highly amusable, and he is still decidedly unimpressed with Trump.
I mean, did he tell Trump that they got bumped? Based on responses in this thread, it sounds like Trump would invite them to join the table or do something about it.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:06:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blind doubt is just as useless as blind faith. Take unconfirmed responses, either side, with a grain of salt.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:23:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually kind of amazing. I have not read one nasty experience with the man in this thread that is negative. Did anyone have a negative experience with him? Maybe we are misjudging him.
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I work at a hotel/restaurant where the owner brought him in during the campaign for one of his rallies. He stayed at the hotel and ate at a catered banquet. He requested his steak well-done and smothered in ketchup. I didn't hear anything specifically bad, but Scott Walker who was present demanded that a server be fired after a glass of wine was spilled...
I really didn't expect these replies... at all. Do you think how he's behaved on tv is all some weird front? Is he actually that racist and demeaning?
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no, he is not racist or demeaning, you just need to stop believing CNN and MSNBC
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So much of what the news reports is hearsay or rumors which they treat as fact. For example, every major news outlet has repeated the story that he violently raped Ivana during their marriage- even though Ivana herself has stated multiple times that it's a lie
โThe story is totally without merit. Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised three children that we love and are very proud of. I have nothing but fondness for Donald and wish him the best of luck on his campaign. Incidentally, I think he would make an incredible president."
He was sued for discriminating against black models in a beauty pageant, and the media acted as if the fact that suit was filed means he was guilty- even though photos of the beauty pageant in question show that black models were indeed allowed to compete. Same with he rumors that he banned black people from his clubs, despite the fact that when Trump opened Mar-a-Largo it was the first and only club in Palm Beach that wasn't racially segregated, and he had to fight the city council to be able to open a club that allowed black people.
It's definitely not 100% media manipulation though, he has said some pretty out-there things (like the "grab em by the pussy" comment and making fun of the disabled reporter), but certain accusations such as homophobia, racism against black people, and rape are definitely untrue and yet continue to be reported on as if they're fact. The media also ignores that even though Trump is anti-abortion he is pro-contraception and believes contraceptive pills and procedures should be available without a prescription.
My dad went to Atlantic City in its hay day. He and his friends went to one of Trump's casinos. When they got tired of gambling he and them went to the sports room. He sat in the second row. So he's watching football (it was a Sunday) and talking with his friend and up comes Donald Trump and sit right in front of my dad. Trump turns around and ask my dad what's the score of one of the games and my dad says it. He says thank you. 30 minutes later Trump gets up and leaves. But before he does he shakes my dad and his friends hands saying "Thank You for coming". My dad has never forgotten that.
A couple of friends of my dad have done business with trump's companies. The narrative from all of them is the same. He comes in, signs paperwork, and then walks out. Very reserved individual, but definitely not hostile.
revandavd ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:33:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barbara Corcoran from Shark Tank was interviewed about Trump since they've known each other since they were young. Google it. She doesn't like him
BKtoDuval ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:54:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Our paths have kinda crossed a couple times. I met him briefly at the 2001 World Series. I don't know. Seemed friendly enough. I just remember his hair looking worse in person than on tv. I've seen him here and there around New York.
BUT...I dated someone who worked in his office in the '90s. She actually didn't have anything bad to say. I didn't pay much attention to that though. I was in my early 20s and was more focused on her rump than Trump. She did say he was trying to pal around with celebrities particularly in the hip hop industry. That makes me believe a lot of that divisive rhetoric was pandering to that element of the country, as well as his showmanship.
ONE TIDBIT she did share one time that kind of stood out was how another office employee confided to her that he brought her up to his apartment in Trump Tower to get it on. Apparently that's his thing. Not illegal but kinda sleazy. Wise man told me don't sh*t where you eat.
With that being said, I hope he does a good job and proves his doubters, including myself, wrong. But please, acknowledge science as a real thing.
He was very close to his uncle who had a degree in electrical engineering and a doctorate in Quantum physics who taught at MIT for 35 years. His uncle was internationally famous. A genius and visionary. As someone who won 1st place at the International Science Fair and later spent 2 years working on an international project for Greenpeace, after reading the full transcript of his climate change comments to the NYT I am ecstatic that we have a president who might free science from the ideological orthodoxy that has corrupted it.
Wow, so while the entire world agrees on implementing policies to combat climate change and science proves that coal is damaging to the environment, let's just discard the whole thing on a whim. Demagogue much?
That is absolutely hot, wonder if she now has a Trump baby somewhere.
justyourp ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 20:22:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my college a cappella group got a chance to sing for him twice in 2012 while we were in florida. we went to the mar-a-lago and sang a couple songs for his party there and he stood up and announced how impressed he was and that he was going to make a "sizeable donation to the group." we never heard from him again. he also grabbed one of our girl member's butts while we were taking a picture.
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Moltenaxe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:51:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory not me, but my father used to be a higher-up at Ford a few years ago (1990s) and he went to Donald Trump's hotel for a meeting and while they were eating dinner there Donald Trump happened to be there as well, and sat down with them. Donald Trump ended up completely dominating the entire conversation and ended up making many what america has learned to be "Trump-eqsue" claims about the extravagance of his hotel ("We've got the best buffet here in the entire world, can you believe it?", etc etc) that lead my father to believe Trump very truly believed in what he owned to the point of being delusional. Not wholly interesting, but it has lead me to believe that Trump is sincere in his craziness.
This will likely go unnoticed, but some of my friends and I met him in 2012. I was on a school art trip to New York City for the May long weekend. We went to see Phantom of the Opera somewhere on broadway, and he happened to be going to the same show. We talked to him and he was very keen on getting the prettiest girls in my class to join him at his seats during the show. I should mention that everyone was about 15-16. Nothing more came of it.
smdcdiaf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:06:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was disgusting to be honest! From all the other accounts here he seems to not be as terrible as the media has made him out to be, but he was a total sleezeball towards us. I guess he might have been drunk, though that doesn't make it excusable.
I know one person who is a vendor that Trump uses frequently. He told me years ago that he always makes sure he gets paid up front, or he'll never see a dime.
Yeah, I can't go into too much detail, but I can say he's had deals with Trump for 20+ years, doing work at a number of various Trump properties multiple times per year. I wouldn't say they're close, but Trump would certainly recognize/know who he was if he saw him.
This will probably get buried, but negative story here: I haven't met him, but my coworker did. He was on the board of a well-known charity. Trump had an event for the charity at his Mar-a-Lago resort. My coworker sat at Trump's table because he was involved in the organization of the event. At one point, Trump said that he wasn't going to give a donation for the event; his donation was the venue. Which is nice. But then my coworker was looking at the bill for the event and they had a $300,000 charge for the venue.
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:22:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to remind everyone, in the wake of election concerns and the future, that there is no way to check the veracity of most of these claims. Please remember this while reading through the various stories.
I'm not insinuating anyone is lying, but encouraging people not to take what you read as fact. Many of these I find to be interesting anecdotes.
We have a duty to hold him to a high standard and represent the peoples of the USA.
So basically, this does not fit the media narrative of him being sexist, racist, a bigot, etc etc, so we should remember that the good stories of him may be a lie.
Oh come on, anyone could make up any shit about him one way or the other, I'm sure the majority of these pro and con are total BS.
alexLAD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not insinuating anyone is lying
but encouraging people not to take what you read as fact.
Which one is it?
maznyk ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 23:26:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He left $1 at the bar after getting all his drinks. The bartender looked pissed, and called out to him, "Mr. Trump, you forgot your dollar" and gave it back. Even my broke ass tips well when I go out.
Nah, it's just well established- even by his most vocal enemies, that he's a really good tipper. I can site sources if we need to.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:44 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was a story asking for personal experience. Do you have a citation for OP's experience as a waiter and how much they got tipped? Do you have the receipt? No?
Eh, if someone behaves in one way 99% of the time, and that is factually documented- I can doubt the 1% that suddenly claims that they did a 180 degree flip. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I went to one of the same school as one of his kids (I was there on scholarship). Trump was typical rich dad. He was a bit more bombastic and showy with his money (even though there were people more wealthier than him there). Nothing struck me as too out there... I don't think he was much liked by the other parents because he would show off his wealth more (not in a "I'm richer than you way", but almost kind of insecure) while the other parents were more reserved and kept out of the spotlight. Personality wise, he wasn't an asshole or anything and got along with everyone. Some of his kids on the other hand....
Rich people find it tacky to flaunt wealth in some ways, but have no problem with other things. I could imagine being annoyed by trumps needless flaunting of wealth, it makes him seem really insecure. I think it's him trying to maintain an imagine of prosperity. A lot of his brand is based on him being successful and having money, so it would make sense for him to advertise for your brand whenever you can. Some people do this by puting their business name on a work truck, obviously due to celebrity status and income difference Donald's methods are a bit different.
Yeah I can see that. I didn't vote for trump, just like I wouldn't for any of the parents of the kids I went to school with. Most of them were so disconnected from regular people and their lives/struggles. I find it hilarious that a billionaire real estate mogul from New York City became a champion for the working class. I didn't know trump personally, but I'm sure he was a nice guy. Never heard anything malicious about him personally (except the stuff I mentioned, which isn't necessarily bad). Only thing I can say is that some of his kids are huge assholes. But in that environment it's not really a reflection of the parents since the parents are so busy with their personal businesses/work, that the kids are essentially raised by nannies and tutors.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:55:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They all seem pretty great from what I've seen in this thread and election coverage. Eric and Donald Jr do seem seem to play good cop vs bad cop in some business deals though.
Another thing to consider when dealing with kids who grew up super rich like this is th fact that people have been trying to get something from them their entire lives, they tend to be very walled up psychologically and don't let a lot of people close because of this.
Being an asshole is just a defense tactic for these people sometimes.
I've dealt with many rich kids growing up (I wasn't myself, but had scholarships). Some are awesome and super nice, some are huge assholes. Most are in-between, like most kids. The one thing I felt bad about, even as a kid, was how much they were raised by nannies and not by they're parents. Granted it's not true for everyone. It was weird seeing all these kids excited because my dad would pick me up from school or would call the school to check up on me. They were almost vicariously living through that relationship.
Hmm. I was raised fairly rich. Not having helicopters drop me off places rich, but nice house rich. I was raised almost exclusively by nannies and babysitters. My dad was a physician/business owner and my mom worked with him. They also built a house while I was growing up, which took away a huge part of my childhood, as well as having a mentally retarded sibling.
My dad picked me up from school one time, in kindergarten, in all my years in school.
While my parents were pretty distant in day to day life of my childhood, they were still pretty important. I felt my dad made a lot of time on weekends for us, and we took a lot of small vacations. I rarely felt my dad was 'inaccessible'. There might be a delay in communication if I called, or beeped him and he was with a patient, but generally I never had an issue getting a hold of him, until my adult life. But that's just being an adult, I'm pretty hard to get a hold of as well. We both use my mom as a relay switch for communication because we talk to her more often.
I was a competative skier, and the one thing my dad always did make time for was my skiing. I'm not sure if it was to actually get me skiing, or for him to get out there and ski instead of work, but I turned into a crazy good skier because of it, and I really have my dad to thank, so, thanks dad, for making me really good at a rich white person sport that will be non-existant in 50 years when all the snow melts.
That's awesome. Not all the kids I went to school with were neglected by their parents; some had really awesome caring parents (for context I went to school at a famous prep school in upper manhattan). Unfortunately, for many they never had that "connection" with their parents. They're parents gave them anything they wanted, paid for education and social trips. But nevertheless, without that extra caring touch (simple things like picking them up from school or taking interest to their kids interests) could never make up money. I've seen it firsthand and as I grow into an adult and parent one day, it's a lesson that'll stick with me. Another anecdote: one of the kids I went to a school with grew up and murdered a parent. It was a pretty famous case, so I'll hold off details. But he was one of the cool kids that got everything from his parents (except time).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he wasn't always a billionaire and he talked about helping the working man in an age when we are hated and talked down too constantly. So yeah we love him.
The was always rich... his family lived in Jamaica Estates, one of the wealthiest areas in Queens (I know cause I lived not to far from there). He went to a private school in fresh meadows that only millionaires can afford. Dude was born rich. You don't own as much real estate as his dad did in New York without being very well off.
With that said, yes he was able to "talk" to working man, but believe me that was all an act... he's a celebrity and acts a role.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but then he went off with a million dollars. Also he has worked with and talked with working men for years. He knows them better than most millionaires
Again, I don't know him personally, so I can't speak to his intentions or personality. But based on his public life, which is out there (and being from New York City, we've been exposed to for decades), he cares more about himself and his business interests than anything else.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did u read this thread? He seems like a very caring a kind man, despite his oddities
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:20:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stories in this thread are from third, fourth, or fifth parties, and there are an unusual amount of stories in general. We've all seen the man himself make fun of disabled people as well as P.O.Ws and others.
Most rational individuals can make their own assumptions about what is going on.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The POW he made fun of went after him. He's just used to hitting people back. And I have no idea about the disabled person. Never heard of that can't comment either way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The P.O.W. he made fun of is John McCain, who I do not agree with politically, but, let's face it, went through pain and suffering for the rest of us and survived. He's a hero. Trump, who didn't serve in any form or fashion, displayed no respect for someone who literally sacrificed themselves for the U.S.
We can all agree different media outlets are biased, but Trump was on camera mocking a reporter who happens to be disabled because Trump did not agree with reporter's portrayal of him.
There isn't really a lot you can argue with in either of these examples. He attacked a P.O.W. and a disabled person because he didn't like what they said about him. That's not a characteristic of a successful leader.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean he's already doing well so I don't know how qualified you are to say he's a successful leader.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is doing "well" under the electoral college which is a system that disenfranchises voters and give smaller states an edge over larger states. So another words, smaller states votes count more than they are worth. The purpose of the electoral college is old and outdated (it's purpose was to assist voters in a time when information about candidates was not easily spread) and throughout history it has skewed to help elect divisive figures when someone else won the popular vote.
The thing that qualifies me to say this is that it is readily available history. Check out a text book.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:43:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I never personally met him and unlike the rest of these comments it's negative. My aunt was working at a golf course and she happened to caddy for Trump during a charity event. Supposedly he was extremely loud and blamed all his mistakes on her. At the end of the day he didn't bother to tip her. That's basically all I know.
danzey12 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:21:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, either this thread is full of plants or the dudes a fuckin genius.....
That's strange considering his fast food habits. Although you're probably talking many years ago, maybe she's the one that got him into the unhealthy stuff!
My uncle's golf partner had the same high school history teacher. Said the school's janitor mentioned that the teacher had a pretty obvious drinking problem. So it probably had something to do with that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father's cousin's dad's neighbor's son knew your uncle's golf partner and said he was pretty big into crack. He also said he sucked off your uncle...not even for crack. Just for fun! It sure is a small world.
My father worked for Trump Plaza casino for >20 years and encountered Trump about half a dozen times. He said he was always very cordial with his employees, but he never shook hands because of germs.
He also said that the thing about making sure there were no black customers around was completely true, but no one thought it was a huge deal in the 80s.
One of my closer friends in college use to work at his NY golf club. She is a rather good looking girl... She often told me that the girls who worked there knew to flirt with him and sit on his lap when he would visit. Doing so was an easy way to get a $50 or $100. She described him as kind of a pig and asshole.... but not exceptionally worse than a lot of the other people who went there.
Full disclosure: she is now vehemently anti-trump and has posted a lot of other stories in the past months. This is the only one I remember hearing her tell me though.
Andi1up ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:55:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Judging from all of the other comments here, I think your friend is lying.
Considering that she's a close friend of yours and just now she comes up with a bunch of stories about Trump that she never told you, tells me she's lying.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:28:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure trumpets from the_d are brigading this sub and voted down any negative stories. I do believe the good stories and want to hope don is a good dude and all this act was bullshit but it's too crazy of a coincidence that any negative is downvoted to oblivion
Sitting on his lap isn't exactly keeping it classy.
jixfix ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:20:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of my mother's went to school with him. She's a hard core conservative, but wouldn't support him in the presidential race. She describes him as 'a bully, even then'.
Well considering his middle/high school was boys only, the only way this could be true is if it were in elementary. I don't think many people stay the same as they were when they were 10.
Chances are that the negative ones could be fake to smear him. But to be fair this post says even then, which could mean elementary. Also why did Trump get voted to be the ladies man?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:16:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a professor in college a few years back, who worked in casinos his whole life and helped open a few with Trump back in the 90s. He always said Trump was the most arrogant jackass he ever worked with and that if it wasn't for being given so much money to start with he wouldn't have ever become someone.
My professor died about 2 years ago, and I've been thinking about that class a lot lately. Although that professor was heavily conservative I'd be willing to bet he's rolling in his grave with Trump now about to be the president of the most powerful country in the world.
If you're a business owner or a competitor Trump will smash your face in like a gorilla. But like a monkey leader they gain support by helping the lowest of the primal group. This is Trump.
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Ugh. I finally decided to post but figured people feel very strongly about him both ways so I am making a throwaway.
I was the cart girl at a very private golf club. Lets just say helicopters flew in, always body guards (normally because they were super high up CEOS and not celebrities, although there were special things often with "celebrities". They mostly weren't celebrities to me because they were sports stars, although I knew some like Joe DiMaggio, etc and they never have bodyguards)
I drove around to serve beer and soda and water.
There was some swanky event going on and Trump was there. It was a shotgun start and sometimes people get behind and there will be a few carts and they kinda gather while they are waiting because people are teeing off.
There were some guys there and they are chatting and he kinda grabs me by the arm and pulls me closer to the group. He flops my hair around, takes my face in his hand and turns it and says something like "look at this girls face" and he says some things about how pretty I am and my face was pretty enough to be a model (I was a cute kid but I'm a shrimp though and like 5'2, 100 pounds. I look like shit now though.). He never speaks to me, though. That was it.
Jarvis03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is super creepy
jocala ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In before this post gets hurried. There's something really strange going on in this one
I'm honestly still having trouble wrapping my mind around it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:01:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, you are aware
Of Bill Clinton right? The bar was lowered a looooong time ago.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:42 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even before Bill, JFK had some very creepy behavior but no one ever talks about that because he's become this infallible saint
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:37 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JFK was anti-establishment at least and trying to abolish to Fed and the CIA
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:18 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's completely irrelevant to my point about his creepy sexual behavior
stevejust ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:10:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a lot to say about this, but at 9 hours into this thread, I'm far too late.
The first time I encountered Trump, it was at a movie theater called the Okee Square. It's not there anymore, but it was on Okeechobee Blvd. in West Palm Beach just 2-3 miles west of Mar a Lago.
I want to say it was about 1994. It was definitely after several of his bankruptcies. He was by himself.
I didn't like the guy already, because when he bought Mar a Lago, one of the first things he did was sue the County of Palm Beach because his now resort is right directly in the flight path of the airport.
Despite the fact that airplanes have to take off into the wind (you know, physics, and all) he wanted them to both take off and land to the West and not fly over his place.
Well, that was stupid. He knew where the airport was when he bought the property, but he still somehow managed to get the County to capitulate and give him the land for what became the Palm Beach Trump International Golf Club. This was before the internet was really a thing, and there's nothing online about this sweet extortion deal he pulled off.
Again, in the wake of his bankruptcies, the surprising thing is that he got into a gold colored Town and Country Minivan, and drove himself by himself (presumably back to Mar a Lago).
So that was the first time I remember bumping into him. I'm not going to talk about the other times because this thread is too old, and I don't want to give too many details such that he could identify who I am. Because I'd be scared to cross him. And I haven't liked him since the days of his extortion scheme to get the land from the County for the golf course.
I'll be salty about that forever.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:25:20 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd heard that Maralargo was the first club in Palm Beach that was racially integrated and the reason the council was giving a hard time was because he was opening a club that allowed WASPs, African-Americans, and Jewish people. Is this not the case?
Well, the Everglades Club practically across the street from Mar a Lago is not integrated, and my father always refused their invitation to speak there because of that.
But I don't recall Mar a Lago necessarily being an 'open' club. Though with a $150,000 buy-in and a yearly membership of somewhere between $40k and $60k, maybe I'm not remembering that part correctly? I definitely do not recall any non-white minorities present anywhere around Mar a Lago (except the groundskeepers). The valets? White. Busboys? White. Hostesses? White. Bartenders? White. Members? Looked like any private club on Palm Beach to me.
I did a photoshoot recently for a former beauty queen contestant in 2013. She says he did make it a point to barge in with groups of dudes while they were in the changing room. Says it was super weird and the girls all kinda felt like cattle.
Multiple contestants of his pageants have come out and said that he would come into the changing rooms, he even bragged about doing it on Howard Stern. The words came out of his own mouth.
You know what I don't get about this though? Yes, I think if they're in the middle of changing, that's wrong to barge in whenever BUT these women willingly prance around in bikinis and try to out do each other in looks and provide nothing.
I'm not saying they're asking for it, I'm saying why are they comfortable being almost nude in front of millions but if a guy barges in the same conditions they're offended?
Jmilne91 ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 18:55:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will be buried now but I was at a Letterman taping back in 2011 or 2012 and Trump was a guest. He said some pretty racist and uncomfortable things. Letterman had to keep cutting him off or correcting him as he was oblivious that what he was saying was coming off terrible. We left there talking about what a jackass he was.
evenios ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:57:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
none of that footage was ever aired eh?
gbimmer ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 19:44:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Letterman would've aired it in a heartbeat about 2 weeks ago if it were real.
9 minutes of Trump suggesting Obama was born outside of the US, despite Obama having already released his short and long form birth certificates, and then a few minutes of him showing off his shirts and ties that were made in Bangladesh and China respectively, followed by him saying that China will be the world leader in 2016 because Obama keeps sending our jobs over there.
gbimmer ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 21:00:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say it was. I just found you the footage and gave you a synopsis in case you didn't feel like watching.
But now that you mention it... why do you think Trump has never demanded to see any other president's long form birth certificate? He's openly hated every president since Reagan, but never had the same smear campaigns against anyone else.
gbimmer ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:51:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think Hillary started the rumor in the first place?
Don't believe everythinganything you read on Breitbart, but also look into the source, read it very intentionally, and really think about it. It should be obvious why this isn't indicative of a Hillary staffer starting the conspiracy.
You're going to believe Hillary on anything? She threated and made fun of Bills 7 rape victims, lied about Benghazi (do yourself a favor and at least watch a 10 min clip of Trey Gowdy tearing her apart,) repeatedly lied about her emails and even tried to get Matt Lauer fired after an interview when he asked about the emails (her face turns demonic,) she lied about rigging the DNC and it was glorious when the transcripts to her bank speeches came out and she was caught in the lie of wanting to help the lower/middle class.
And another: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOFENuFHwTk
Just to see the real Hillary. Dude in the second half pulls no punches, she was responsible for the deaths of those Americans and for lying to the American public about it.
That fucking laugh every single time before she lies. Yuck.
Also, any time the emails come up, she hardly even touches on how it was wrong of her and how she LIED about how many she deleted (destruction of evidence, a felony) 3 weeks AFTER the FBI announced they were opening an investigation. "Well yknow those emails...THE FUCKING RUSSIANS HACKED ME YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN KNOW ANY OF THIS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE CLASSIFIED EMAILS ON A PRIVATE SERVER RUSSIAAAAA WHY YOU LITTLE."
Says alot about her.
In the run up to the Democratic primaries in 2008, Clinton was pumping all the Illinois Republicans for Obama dirt. It makes absolute sense that this came from her.
tl;dr rumors and accusations against President Obama had existed for a few years before he ever even announced his candidacy. HRC never personally mentioned or propagated those smears against him.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:38:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Breitbart is not a reliable source. Any other sources for that info?
You do know that it was Hillary campaign in 2008 when she was running against Obama that started the birther's movement, don't you? That was in the leaked email from Wikileaks!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary lost, you can't just shift every criticism of Trump towards her anymore.
And even if one of Clinton's aides (not Clinton herself) shared a birther e-mail back in 2008, Trump is the one who lead the movement for 8 years.
bsbbtnh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a birther movement against John McCain as well.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did it last 8 years and continue to be a thing after he provided his long-form and short-form birth cerificate.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:03 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of these movements caught even 1/100th as much as Obama's did. There is a reason for that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:08:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
President Obama's mother was a US citizen. It fucking didn't matter if he was born in Kenya because Obama woud be just as much of a US citizen as Ted Cruz. It was a fucking dog whistle he blew on for 6 years because Kenya is a black country and this argument Trump was making triggered Racists and bigots.
gbimmer ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 21:41:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not racist, though.
You really need to re-evaluate your understanding of that word...
"It didn't fucking matter if he was born in Kenya"
You are aware that you have to be born in the states to become president? Whether or not you are a citizen. I don't believe that shit about Obama being born in Kenya, but if it were true it would disqualify him.
McCain was born in the USA, the Panama Canal Zone, which was at the time considered sovereign US soil. It's the same with any US military installation worldwide. The question was still brought up during his candidacy and the legal definition of "natural born citizen" has not been conclusively settled.
Not true about military installations being sovereign US soil. I was born on a base internationally and my birth certificate was issued by that country and I have a US Certificate of Birth Abroad that had to be issued by the embassy.
We rent the land for the bases. Examples of American soil abroad would be like the American Cemetery in Normandy, which was gifted to the US after WW2.
Right. We're supposed to pretend like the Democrats wouldn't have filed dozens of lawsuits against Ted Cruz to prove his birthplace if he had been the nominee? Please.
I dunno, I just watched that, I've seen it before, but he looked to me like an easygoing guy, good sport, nothing racist or uncomfortable whatsoever. Kind of baffled now.
evenios ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:17:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Letterman has been off the air for over a year now dude. Happily retired by all accounts. Even if he were still hosting, he does not have rights to unaired footage from the show; that's CBS's property.
gbimmer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:37:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think CBS wouldn't have aired it? Really? After pussy-grabbing this one would have been a no-brainer.
In fact NBC had to do damage control following the release of that footage by formally cutting ties with Trump and firing Billy Bush. The leak was not in their interest.
Great recommendation on the use of logic by the way, I'll be sure to do that. It in no way comes across as a trite or shallow way of saying "im rite lol".
evenios ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or got paid off not to :-p
gbimmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary would've paid more...
Jmilne91 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 19:06:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! I'm sure your a supporter trying to say that I'm "making it up, he isn't bad" it aired as far as I know. I was at the taping so I didn't bother to watch the episode. Look it up for yourself. I'm an indifferent Canadian simply pointing out what I saw.
evenios ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:18:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't confirm anything. He never once stated what he said that he considered so racist. Disagreeing with Obama doesn't make someone a racist. So unless you say exactly what he said that was racist no one is going to just take you at your word that whatever he said was racist.
Night_FoE ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 07:56:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Behold, fellow redditors. When forced into a corner, the liberal abandons all logic or reason, and instead reverts to its primal form, shouting down arguments with insults rather than address points made. A very fine specimen indeed.
JefChef4 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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evenios ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:13:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually i think hes s a big jerk too. i was just curious :-).
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evenios ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my parents apparently just watch fox news now. saying all the other news sites are bias agaisnt trump, and i just want to roll my eyes. Tried to argue about it but yeah. you cant. Welcome to the age of ignorance! What gets me is with the sum of all knowledge online and what you would think people would be getting smarter, not stupider. But there ya go.
So I wrote this snarky response about how you were ridiculing the intelligence of our collective society, yet used the word "stupider", which obviously showed just how stupid you were because everyone knows stupider is not a word...except I decided to look it up just in case. And it is. The more you know. Thanks for educating me (in a roundabout way)!
-magilla- ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 23:44:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you sound pretty defensive for someone who doesnt care
indifferent - having no particular interest or sympathy; unconcerned
Jmilne91 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:21:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indifferent in that I don't care to argue on reddit. I'm Deeply concerned just like the majority of the world that isn't in tight with dictators. Americans always act like what you do doesn't affect the rest of the world but all you actions have consequences for other nations and markets. You'd have to be a hermit to not be worried about what's coming.
In his 1991 book โTrumped!,โ the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, John R. OโDonnell, recalled Trump declaring that โlaziness is a trait in blacks,โ and exclaiming: โBlack guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.โ
Trump acknowledged in a Playboy interview Huffington Post, โThe stuff OโDonnell wrote about me is probably true.โ
Kinnasty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your history is packed to the brim with anti trump rhetoric. On top of the fact that your story sounds a little cookie cutter and over exaggerated
Jmilne91 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:19:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Packed to the brim? Talk about over exaggerated. Also if we are gonna point out whose "packed to the brim" your account is basically a trump ad. Pot calling the kettle black much or what
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:17:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My aunt was a flight attendant for many years. Back in 1987, she was working a flight that The Donald was on. It was right after he started his affair with Maples, and he was with her. She said he was very inappropriate with certain female flight attendants, but not with her. She also said Marla asked for extra blankets and pillows, and told all the flight attendants she was pregnant (which was a lie)... interesting couple.
Tomusina ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:08:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to my Great Aunt, they went to the same grade school or something. She described him as a "spoiled brat who always had a runny nose."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:19 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His middle and high schools were boys-only, so this must have been elementary school
Tomusina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:02 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it was when he was quite young
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's never done drugs or alcohol which is amazing considering that he was a rich NY celebrity during the excesses of the 70s, 80s and 90s. Amazing really.
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked on a technical proposal for one of his buildings. Long story short, it was one of the few companies that can do the type of electrical work required for the project, we gave him a BAFO proposal and made it clear it was a great price and little room for negotiation (true). He comes into a meeting with us and without skipping a beat says "cut it by 40%" and walks out. We leave the meeting assuming we've lost the bid. A month later he calls my boss and says "can you cut it by 40%?" We walked away from the work. My entire office voted for Clinton.
edit: to clarify, we had already negotiated the price several times before the BAFO
[deleted] ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 17:22:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone accepted a lower margin and lost opportunity costs to win a big name client. Nothing wrong with that; if you have the leverage, use it to your advantage. Hopefully the money they saved was not at the expense of quality and safer standards.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:51:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's possible but I'm just not sure why anyone would.
I mean if OP is telling us only a handful of companies in the world can do this work and this specific company was at least well known enough that DJT knew to contact them, why bother slashing their prices? It stands to reason that other builders must be aware of them too and, since there are so few companies capable of doing the work, it probably also stands to reason that they're the ones with the leverage.
jobelenus ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:13:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that is why they walked away.
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cbessemer ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:41:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doubtful. If someone beat their price, he wouldn't be calling a month later trying to save 40% still. He'd already have a signed contract with the other guy.
I think saying "Clearly" on a huge assumption is wrong. He has a history of beating people up on numbers, and playing some shady games. Toss in the stories of stiffing people and the bankruptcies that meant people didn't get paid, and I doubt your assertion.
The reason why what I'm saying makes sense is that: You're suggestion means that he either (1) chose a higher price or (2) has a building out there that still has no electricity. Given that his business does this regularly, it's likely that they know the kind of money they can squeeze out of people and were bargaining with the other companies that do that. It's not at all unlikely that he was able to haggle some down, and that one of those alternatives came in at least as low as the initial "good" offer the OP provided. Given that the OP stated how few competitors there are, it sounds a lot like the OP's company probably isn't used to having to be competitive.
I did read it. I didn't use the word clearly, the other person did. My comment agreed that the conclusion was likely true, not that it was "clear".
Rather than addressing my point (that what you're suggesting makes no sense), you are debating (1) whether it's "clear" and (2) whether you can write off my actual arguments with an ad hominem attack.
Sure, he fights to get the best deal, but to walk into a meeting with a team of professionals, immediately demand 40% off, and walk out, makes you an asshole. Then to call after a month, and ask for it again makes you an asshole again. Trump is an asshole, and he hasn't met enough people that tell him no.
Dest123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the companies that "outbid" you by going 40% lower are actually just desperate for work. They bid low even though it can't really be done for such a low price. Then they'll get to the end and just ask for more time and money to finish the project. Lots of times the bid that's 40% lower actually ends up being 40% higher by the time the project is completed.
That's a big part of the reason why so many projects(in all industries) end up being delayed.
And then if that happens he tells them he's not going to pay them? Seems reasonable to me.
Dest123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most times companies don't pay one lump sum at the end. They pay throughout the project since that money is needed to actually do the project. So what happens is that they already have a bunch of money invested in the project by the end, and it's less expensive to just finish the project than it is to find someone else to do the project.
Obviously, they never work with that company again. Eventually the company's reputation gets around and they go out of business since they can't find work.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:24:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then that latter price was still the better price. They would not have accepted the offer if it wasn't valuable for them to do so.
eqleriq ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:50:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't a better price for a multitude of reasons. Those deals harm the industry, lower the profits in the long run, and are not sustainable business models.
They would not have accepted the offer if it wasn't valuable for them to do so.
You're assuming there was any other offer that was better.
LazLoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can get it done right, or you can get it done cheap.
Conjwa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well assuming the building got built, there must have been a better offer.
eqleriq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Taylor814 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:16:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have friends who worked on Trump projects and they went in with their proposal prices already inflated so that when the call came to cut it by 20, 30, or 40%, they could.
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:35:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if someone secretly voted for him
clarified in post...we had already negotiated and revised the price several times.
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 22:41:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You voted for Clinton because a business man asked to cut a bid by 40%? That seems pretty petty considering most businesses will negotiate bids in a similar way. If you open it up for negotiation, you had better expect them to low-ball you on the first counter-offer. Especially if he already had a better offer that he was trying to get you to beat.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:22:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was one of the few companies that can do the type of electrical work required for the project, we gave him a BAFO proposal and made it clear it was a great price and little room for negotiation
most things, except for when and how you'll die, can be negotiated.
I'm surprised I haven't heard more of this. The personal stories are great, but a man is who he is by how he does business. Kudos to you all for walking away when you knew it was too much. My suspicion is that others who he has screwed weren't smart enough to walk away or were too enamored with the man himself to remember that they could get screwed in the transaction.
I would see him in nightclubs in NYC back when he was in his mid-30's. He was a serious douchebag back then as well, in fact, he was much worse! He was married to Ivana at the time and had a couple of small kids.
He usually had a group of people with him, but he would keep a distance from them, which seemed to be his idea. He was a womanizer and would try to get the pretty girls at the club, and would have some luck with the gold-digger types, which is no real feat, but many of the finest specimens were not swayed by his wealth, which would frustrate him, and then his cad/douchiness side would be at its worst, as he would be way too forward and creep out the woman.
He wasn't much of a drinker even back then, so we can't blame his aberrant behavior on that. It wasn't that out of character for a spoiled rich kid you could probably find in many cities across America, they all make you want to hurl, and many of the women would talk to each other, so when they would notice him approaching (he was taller than most people in the club) the hot object of his desire would often navigate themselves to another side of the club, as his reputation as a jerk would precede him. I never saw Ivana out with him, I imagine she was home with the kids.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:24:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nice try, Donald! - I notice you said the same thing all throughout the campaign! - you haven't changed a bit!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:05:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I know this is a lie because my uncle is a lawyer and is good friends with Donald and has been for years and has noted his disdain for clubs ever since he was in college lol.
Also Ivana was the one who always wanted to socialize while Trump preferred to stay home mainly going out for business. Ivanna being out so much was a factor in their divorce.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:55:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't lie, and I haven't known him all of my life, I can only tell you what I saw in 1982-1983, so maybe he was just in a bad streak, but I hate to burst your bubble, but the history documented in the NY newspapers, as well as recent behavior we see on TV, only bolsters what I saw, and contradicts your uncle's version. Sorry dude, ask people from NYC, I wasn't the only patron of NYC clubs. Ask Madonna, I used to see her out a lot as well.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:56:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 5 years ago, I was hired by a company in NYC to serve as musical director for an employee event. It was a pretty major thing, too; it took place in a Broadway theater on one of their dark nights (meaning no shows), and we were incredibly pressed for time: load-in, set-up, rehearsal, tech rehearsal, script changes, and then showtime all in one day. Incredibly stressful. I really should have charged them 3x the money. Stupid me.
If any of you have worked in corporate events, you know that things like this have a LOT of moving parts and everything is rigidly scripted: music cues, lighting cues, set changes, entries and exits. Pretty much nothing happens on that stage that is not discussed ad nauseum, as these shows are incredibly expensive to produce; I would venture this one night set the company back several million dollars. It ain't the time to wing it, and to make matters more stressful, it featured a lot of employees of the company as performers. These guys were game, but they were not professionals. Not their fault, it just wasn't their comfort zone and things moved a lot slower as a result. Some of them had never been on a stage before, much less a Broadway theater stage, so we had to really ease them along.
Anyway...our President-elect was friends with some of the mucky mucks at the company and agreed to make a quick appearance. Pretty simple...you go onstage when you're supposed to, you say what you're supposed to say, and you exit. And within all that, there were music cues attached to the script, as well as lighting cues and things popping up onscreen behind him. Lots of activity.
So this asshole decides to skip rehearsal, which I guess I expected. But in the middle of the show, about 15 minutes before he was scheduled to appear, I spied him standing offstage. And being very busy, I didn't think anything of it, until out of the corner of my eye I spied him walking out on stage and up to the emcee, where he proceeds to immediately throw the entire chain of events into utter chaos for ten minutes. All the cues went haywire due to his departure from anything script-related, he rambled and moved around the stage haphazardly, and I honestly thought I was going to witness, and be a part of, a cluster-fuck of unspeakable proportions.
It was only due to the absolute professionalism of the crew that we salvaged this from the brink of disaster, and it was a good two days before my balls retracted from my stomach back to where they belonged. The only positive thing that came out of it was the non-stop invective being hurled his way over the crew headsets for the remainder of the show. That almost made it worth it. Almost.
TL;DR: Captain Oompah Loompah almost ruined a huge corporate event I worked on, just for the fuck of it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked on my share. This poster has the stress level absolutely right. Trump disrupting everything like this would have driven people to tears. I can't imagine.
and stories from guys who 90% of their comment history is implying Trump is a Russian agent talking about how Trump surrounds himself with Russians. 100% trustworthy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in South Carolina once to meet my cousin. We went to get ourselves a late-night steak from a local joint and in the park across the street we saw a row of men get out of vans in white hoods. They released a black man from the back of the SUV and chased him down before beating him to death. Then, as they stood over his body, a final car pulled up. and out stepped a golden haired monster: Donald Trump. He walked over to the corpse of the innocent man, urinated on it, and walked back to his car. He saw us staring and shot us a smile and a thumbs up. I will never forget that traumatic night, and needless to say I voted Clinton. #NotMyPresident #TotallyHappened
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you brave man for coming out with this absolutely truthful and highly troubling story.
Are you implying that is what I am doing? I have never done that nor do I believe those reports. Furthermore, what makes you assume I voted Clinton? You have absolutely no idea who I voted for, why assume? The hashtags at the end of your post were comical, I remember when right wing youtubers did the same thing to Obama. I vividly recall Adam Kokesh making videos saying "Obama is NOT MY PRESIDENT!"
Well, considering that I never replied to you and yet you came at me to neurotically defend your honor as though I was specifically addressing you, I'll simply fall back to the old classic: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
All my comments? Unless you've followed me somehow that's bollocks. Hell, the story you're ranting about the hashtags from was very obviously in response to someone else as anyone can see by looking down a few cm.
I wasn't sure who posted the OP or what it said since it's deleted, but through the wonder of uneddit:
Feel like this will get buried or removed by the mods but some of these comments are fishy. Users with a few months/days/1year old accounts with 1 post karma and 2000 comment karma with no post history? Strangeeee
How in gods name when it said that did you think I was then sassing you because I engaged in banter with someone else? The comment literally chained off what you said to throw shade at someone else entirely, so unless you've been going around posting Donald trump russian conspiracies there was no reason for that reaction.
When I was 5 my dad and I passed him outside Yankee Stadium (opening day). He shook my dads hand. This was late 80s/early 90s. Thought it was kind of cool that he was just out with the public.
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sammwalk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is in central NJ. Two years ago on Easter I was at church. At the end the pastor had the congregation turn around to face the choir for a hymn. There amongst folks towards the back was Trump.
As everyone was filing out after the service, I saw him take off, alone, in a giant white Rolls Royce.
I've read a boat load of people's stories on this thread, and though not a Trump fan I am pretty happy to see some many positive interactions. Gives me a bit of hope.
I just keep thinking how many of these golf course workers now know each other's Reddit accounts
Minihem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A professor of mine once said he'd met him. Described him as large, both physically and in personality. One word that will forever stick with me about his description was of his huckster attitude.
I sat next to Trump/Malania at the 2003 NBA Draft and got his autograph on a $1 bill
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:18 on February 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he see's these comments (though he probably will not). He deserves to see that all of these kind gestures have not gone forgotten. Imagine being in his shoes reading some of these and saying "I remember that!".
I often joke around on here, but I met him back before I knew I didn't have what it takes to be a super model. He didn't grab my pussy or anything physical but he def mad me uncomfortable. Like I could tell he wanted to sleep with me and he knew I knew and he was happy about that.
Edit: sadly, I did for money.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:50:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting comment history. Lots of posts speaking from a mans perspective
But 2 days prior to posting this you made a post on Askreddit titled
"Might have sex for first time this weekend, how important is a safeword? Any good choices?"
In which you said claimed to be 1. A virgin. 2. Kinda Old but also 3. In school.
I know nobody's gonna see this cept for you but duuuuude. Up your game man
I believe you. I also believe the stories that seem like he's a nice guy. He probably can be nice. Most people can be.
smdcdiaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It's obvious he's intelligent, friendly and probably a nice guy. But he obviously doesn't have much respect for women, because clearly we're there for his pleasure cause men are master race. Pretty sad really.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know many intelligent and nice people who associate with white supremacists.
zukonius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:08:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've had a hell of a career. modeling and trash collecting?
A close friend of mine interviewed him when he came to Scotland for his golf course. It was a stand-up, sound-bite style interview, rather than a sit-down long chat, but he still had to wait around while the camera was set up etc, as everyone does.
She said he was utterly charmless and unpleasant to talk to, and quite arrogant. Just for comparison, she did a similar set-up with Gordon Brown, when he was UK Prime Minister (and known for his glumness), and said that he couldn't have been nicer or more helpful off-camera.
Make of that what you will.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't normally do this, but I was thinking about my earlier reply to you, and I realised it was ungracious, so sorry for that.
But it did occur to me that my friend, who you seem to be ... insulting? (It's hard to know) has interviewed both former Prime Ministers and future Presidents, while we sit here insulting strangers on Reddit. Perhaps we could both use some of what she's got - whatever that may be?
I personally know many Europeans, especially people in the UK. The cultural differences are fascinating. I can see that a native New York multi billionaire celebrity would be VERY hard for them at first to handle. Even the average Americans style comes off as arrogant to them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:11 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, don't get testy - I know who Jack Layton is now - he bestrode the globe like a colossus as the official opposition in Canada, until dying - so interacting with you hasn't been a complete loss. I can't wait to see the chick's faces when they get a load of my spiel about old John Gilbert "Jack" Layton, (July 18, 1950 โ August 22, 2011).
Did you know that when Layton was running for president of the Federation of Canadian Municipalities, he would gather people together in his hotel room and play the guitar and get everybody singing old folk songs from the 1960s? He just got people involved, just with his personality, not politics.
Makes you think, eh?
But did he ever meet the manager of Beckton Gasworks? I'll think - and you can search Wikipedia as briefly as I did if you like - you'll find that he didn't.
/u/size_matters_not 1 : John Gilbert "Jack" Layton, (July 18, 1950 โ August 22, 2011) 0
One of my cousins is an architect. One of Donald's people ordered plans for a building with the agreement if he decided to build it, my cousin would be the contractor to oversee the job and make any modifications. After the plans were drawn up my cousin got called to Trump's office and was told he didn't like the plans and he wouldn't be using them and he wouldn't be purchasing the land, but if my cousin wanted to recoup some of the money he would have made he could sell the plans so that Trump's competition couldn't use them. So he did that.
And then Trump bought the land and had immigrant labor build it contracted under an in-house guy.
So, my cousin called his contact and was told, "Well, you can sue us. And you'll win. In 20 years after spending more than you'd recover. And maybe we won't end up paying anyway." The year after the building was built Trump declared bankruptcy and dodged his creditors, one of whom my cousin would have been, even though the company the building was deeded to was making money hand over fist.
So, in other words, he's a con artist.
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There was an interview recently with Tony Schwartz, the journalist who ghost wrote The Art Of The Deal for Trump. It's available as a podcast on the BBC radio 4 website. He got to know Trump very well, and is absolutely certain that he's a sociopath, and very much a man to be concerned about. He said that most people he spoke to thought it was ridiculous to be worried about Trump having access to the nuclear trigger (before they met him), but that after they'd met him, they suddenly changed their mind and became very concerned.
Apparently he's very thin skinned and easily upset by minor slights, and tends to act impulsively. Scary thought that this man has such power.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:27:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope I'm not too late! My mom was a flight attendant and met him on a flight. She said he took her out on a date and was a total douche. Wouldn't stop talking about himself.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:53:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're actually telling the truth about your mom telling you this, then I have some bad news buddy. Big Don boned your mom and she's mad over it being a one and done deal.
Haha no way. She was a model before flight attendant, so it's safe to say she could do better than Donald Trump.. That being said, she also didn't know he was a millionaire.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:35:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are more models from 30 years ago in this thread than I thought existed, so I'm sorry if your story is true but most of these smell like BS to me.
Multiple negative experiences are getting deleted as well. A lot of celebrities seem to have negative experiences with him, I think those are more verifiable than anonymous reddit comments.
yeah, it does go both ways. There's no way to really discern truth from fiction on the internet. Gotta do more research and compare sources. Alas, that's pretty difficult on Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:13:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Figure at least half the stories were plagiarized from somewhere else and half of the other half are outright lies.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've met Bill, too. Right after 9/11 he was walking the streets near the armory shaking hands and talking to family members looking for loved ones..
He is gifted in connecting to the regular people.
Never met Hillary, but I've heard nothing but horrible things.. and from women who have worked at their foundation no less.
I really want to comment here but I am actually afraid of legal repercussions. Without going into to much detail I will just say. I have delt with him once on a personal level at a younger age. Donald Jr. Once on a personal level while fly fishing in the Catskills a few years ago. I also delt with Dezer Trump development on a business level while doing business in Miami. I can't say that any of the interactions were pleasant ones. I have relatives that did a ton of business with him in the 80's through the 90's and let's just say I was warned by them later in life not to make the same mistakes they did. I did not listen to thier warnings and paid for it.
He's an arrogant asshole that tells people what they want to hear.
About 15 years ago, I was at a wedding at his house in Florida, called Mar a Lago. My wife was in the wedding party and there was a lot of prep work because it was (obviously) a very fancy wedding. So, there were several days of rehearsals and stuff, but Mr. Trump was only there on the first day. (I didn't expect him to hang out all week, just pointing out that I only had one day of contact.)
A lot of folks knew him or knew of him, of course, and they always talked to him about golf. I was in earshot of him for three different golf conversations. In each one, a person would talk about a golf course that he/she liked and Mr. Trump would respond that he knew it very well and that it was the best course, and his favorite. Three different people, three different courses. All the best. That's when I learned that things to him are either 'best' or 'worst'. There is nothing in between.
The next day, after he left, the groundskeeper had his house keys to let people into various rooms. The keys had a keyring that just said 'God' on it. I asked the caretaker guy if Mr. Trump was religious. He responded, "No. That's just so he can tell which set of keys is his."
The replies are a graveyard of removed, I wonder what's going on? My guess is anti trump spammers.
dcdcd101 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Uncle is a member at the trump international golf course. He was showing my Dad and I around the course and we decided to eat some lunch. Low and behold Trump was also eating lunch at the same time. I asked my uncle if I could meet him and he said I could, but only after lunch. Apparently Trump would not have shook my hand until after he ate, germaphobe or something. So after lunch I was introduced and he shook my hand. He told my dad I was a very fine boy and wished us well for the rest of our trip. Overall a pretty pleasant experience. What's funny is like 2 years ago that was one of the lamest stories I could tell, but now holy shit I get the widest range in reactions from people.
Tl;dr President said I was a fine boy and shook my hand.
I was on a trip in New York with my family when I ran into Trump.
It was in the summer, maybe 10 years ago or so, apparently uncharacteristically warm - I was a bit young back then so that's about all I remembered my parents saying about it.
Anyways - my parents left me alone by this store, so I wandered a block or two until a cat caught my eye. It was a grey tabby, nothing extraordinary, but I was a kid at the time so naturally, I chased it around the block. Eventually we both got tired, and I somehow got my hands around it - I guess it didn't perceive me as a threat anymore so it let me pet it for a bit.
Suddenly, out of nowhere I hear a voice go "put the cat down, kid" - as a hand comes out of nowhere and just grabs the cat out of my hands. I look up, and there he was - Donald Trump. I immediately recognized him from Home Alone 2 since my parents thought it'd be a good idea to watch that on the drive up to New York. He admonished me for a bit before sending me on my way - apparently it was his daughter's cat or something.
Anyways - he wasn't particularly rude to me or anything even though I was still a kid (I think I was in middle school? Early highschool...) it was kind of weird seeing him run for president.
Why are the top 3 comments and a gazillion others deleted? I know that [Serious] threads tend to attract deletions, but this is seriously looking fishy.
Colby347 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:05:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing a Trump thread is going to attract a lot of non serious replies.
My friend's dad does business in NYC and Trump once tried to strike a deal with him. When friend's dad refused to do business with him, Trump apparently tried to lash out. I don't know the details, but I'm guessing it was through a lawsuit.
mayrut ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:52:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buddies of mine were part of his teleprompter crew. When that attack happened where 49 Americans were killed in Florida Nightclub by a Muslim gunman, he came out to do a press release. All he kept saying was he wants to get back to his golfgame. He didn't give a sh!t about the Americans that were killed or Muslim extremism. The man lacks empathy, a total a-hole.
What was the press release for? And why did he need teleprompters?
mayrut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:11:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was just responding to that incident. And he uses teleprompter for everything, just watch any of his speeches including his winning speech after the election. It's the two glass panels to the left and right. I believe this is the prompter read that my prompter friends were referring to:
https://youtu.be/Xv-t5BcqXlA
If he lacked empathy he wouldn't have interrupted his game to make a statement vowing to protect the LGBT community in America from intolerant ideologies would he? Especially since he was running as a Republican so there was no political gain in doing so. Finally your comment is based on second hand sources and conclusions. I suggest he should be judged by the statement he made. I found it very moving.
mayrut ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:08 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He interrupted his game because he was a political candidate for the highest office.
Unfortunately, his lack of empathy is a consistent part you hear from many different people who have been in direct contact with him. In this speech and in other speeches you hear from politicians, you should check out when their gaze is planted to the left or right because that is when they are reading off their speechwriters words from the prompter. Yes, it is pretty ballsy to come out as a Republican in support for LGBT, this was a perfect opportunity for any politician because the Attacker had Muslim ties and therefore could be tied to extremism.
By the way, the investigation in Orlando shooting didn't lead to an extremist link. I hope the office of the President graduates him to a good leader of the Americas. You have way more faith and have drank a lot more koolaid.
While I personally never met him I do know someone who met him about a week prior to him announcing his run for presidency. This guy belongs to one of Trump's Country Clubs and Trump was there one weekend to take pictures and i guess socialize with the members. According to him when he asked Trump for a picture he responded with "let's get this over with" and refused to shake his hand afterwards.
This one time I was lost in NYC and I happened to ask this guy if he knew where I could find a bathroom. Turned out it was future president Donald J Trump.
The bathroom was right where he said it was 5/5 would use again.
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I can actually contribute to this. About 7 years ago I worked for a camera rental house in Burbank, CA. They were filming a celebrity golf tournament at Trumps golf course in Palos Verdes. They needed a camera assistant last minute so they sent me down for the day. Trump was playing against the guys from Entourage, I didnt have any personal time with him but I did follow him around all day and hear him talking to everyone. I road down to Palos Verdes in a car with the still photographer, This dude was a super nice guy, He was a older, short, kinda hunched over balding dude that didn't seem to have a whole lot of confidence from the way he spoke. He was obviously a huge camera nerd like me, we basically chatted the whole drive down and he told me his only goal in life was to win a pulitzer prize, He was such a sweet dude. While we were on the course Trump was about to tee and the photographer ran ahead, did this crazy belly slide into position in front of Trump to get an epic shot of him tee'ing off. Obviously, its a bad idea to be in front of someone when they're about to tee off but honestly I thought we was far and low enough out of his way that it wouldn't be a big deal but Trump wasn't psyched about it. In the middle of this whole thing with camera crew's rolling and celebrities surrounding him, Trump stops, points and say's "Hey Photographer, Do you want to lose your fucking head? Get the fuck out of the way". The photographer quickly grabbed his shit and got up and ran off to find another angle. I felt so bad for that dude because I knew he only mean't the best and was probably super embarrassed. I never had any pre notions about Trump before then but I did know who he was, but the way he handled that I always was felt was very bully-esqe and just kinda wanted to embarrass someone for some cheap laughs.
So having an uncle that took a golf ball to the head and now has permanent brain damage, it was a pretty stupid move to get in front of someone like that. Maybe not the best way to handle the situation but getting hit with a golf ball is serious stuff. If not for the amazing doctors that preformed surgery my uncle would not have survived the brain swelling.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:04:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree, not a good move on his part getting in the way like that but always felt like Trump could of handled it better for sure. Im really glad your uncle is okay!
Idk man, if I were about to tee off, and halfway through my swing when some dude with a camera belly slid, unexpectedly, in front of me, I'd be pretty pissed.
Thats almost as bad as crossing the line at a rifle range during live fire. Like, not only are you in a dangerous spot, you're surprising the person hitting the ball which makes it that much more likely that he's gonna slice it off directly into your dome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I get that, Im not vouching for the guy or saying what he did was right. I just fell like he doesn't have to call the dude out and laugh him off the whole with his buddies like Trump did. I play golf quite a bit and would of just said "hey man, I don't want to accidentally hit you in the face. Could you please move". To each their own tho, I understand where you're coming from.
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Druzl ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:41:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
always have ridiculous demands.
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orchlon ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably business demands where he makes demands about business stuff while talking about business in a business discussing lunch in a business talking restaurant that is also a business.
alexmikli ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:28:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that King of the Hill episode where Hank finally meets his hero George Bush only to find out Bush has a limp handshake. His whole world is shattered.
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"What if they want theirs well done?"
"We ask them politely, yet firmly, to leave."
HDRed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are the only one on this thread to say he didn't tip well. All the other ones were about how generous he was with tips, gifts, etc.....
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I've spent some time reading this thread because I am hiding from my in laws. Nearly every person who had a comment that praises trump has literally nothing pro-trump in their post history. Literally every person who has posted something negative had nearly all anti-trump comment history.
I have worked with a shit ton of concrete crews who have formed on his buildings. He makes sure all amenities are met for the job sites. Porto johns, safety stuff, lighting, etc. he frequently sends catering to jobs.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because anything that doesn't conform to his supporter's ideals gets obliterated by downvotes, while everything that makes him look good goes to the top, exactly like how they manipulate the front page.
Given the nature of his charitable giving, or unbelievable lack thereof, which is something that's more than just stories from random redditors and is thoroughly researched, this seems believable.
My father used to work at one of Trump's casino's back in the late 80's and he said he met Trump once and they would also exchange pleasantries in passing. My father has always spoken highly of Trump and his time spent working for him.
Full disclosure: My father is also a pathological liar and a buffoon.
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I did not vote for Big T, but this was actually one of my favorite posts I've seen on reddit.
Thanks for everyone's contribution.
Despite having been given a nice chunk to start his business(es) at a young age, he's done very well with himself. People just focus on the BANKRUPTCIES, without really understanding what it all means in the grand scheme of everything he's actually accomplished. I also love how EVERYONE couldn't stop talking about his write-offs....talk about calling the kettle black. I reckon a majority of those who talked ill of his financial prowess probably fib on their own taxes.
He's very good at business, so let's see what happens...I just hope he can get some amazing council on environmental issues so we can push the envelope farther. He will soon realize how much money can be made on these new eco-techs...
He wasn't just given a nice chunk,he was bailed out over and over by his dad and had debts cancelled on promise of future business and selectively avoided paying contractors or ended up paying them a fraction of what was agreed upon.
Look at where he put his casinos in relation to each other to see how carefully he considers his investments. My impression is he indulged his fantasies about what is prestigious and pursued that with many bailouts until his straight real estate stuff ( how his dad and family actually got the money in the first place) was big enough to pay off. buffett and others in the know say it's near impossible to blow that much money with half careful and diversified investment
Having made mistakes before in my own life, I can't really judge someone else's...he doesn't strike me as a treacherous person though. Maybe, just maybe, some of the contractors etc. weren't doing good work or overpromised/underperformed...we all know that's never happened before though.
From all of these interactions that people portray on this post, it's not hard to see that he's not the stripe of evil that is portrayed on TV. Sure, they could be fabricated, but that doesn't even make sense as a strategy.
All of that finance history is heresay since I (or you) don't REALLY know the whole story, just a version of it from someone else's mouth...jealous people tell very skewed stories.
something for context, Tony Schwartz who wrote Art of the Deal for/with Donald says he is likely the last person to spend a great deal of time in Donalds company without a non-disclosure agreement and that he has many contacts who want to speak out about Donald's narcissism and how brutal some of his scamming is but cannot do so without risking financial ruin.
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Compare the number of redditors who are likely to have met Donald Trump with the number of redditors who are pissed about the election and want karma. Which one is bigger. This is not that hard buddy.
He has visited my aunts Ranch on numerous occasions while I was there. Pretty ok guy, was able to not get completely destroyed by me in a game of chess which is actually pretty rare. His son though...my god what an obnoxious asshole... the kind of guy that snorts coke off of strippers asses.
I just found out to my astonishment that a friend of mine dated him ages ago (I assume long before he and Ivana were an item). Let's just say that her opinion of him as a person is not favorable, and she's very worried about how the country will be run.
Well, ex someone he dated, I don't know that they got to the girlfriend/boyfriend stage because he was apparently an asshole with a monstrous ego even back then and she's not stupid. Also not a person who has bad things to say about many people, so I tend to trust her judgment.
FTR, I only have good things to say about any of my actual exes, so it's not as if breaking up with someone and thinking they're a good person are mutually exclusive.
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Almost like he's a human being or something... Nah
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My uncle's wife is huge in Florida real estate and she has had dinner with him several times and been to some events with him. To hear her speak of him, he is a lovely person, she says he is very polite and friendly especially to the average people working for him.
I read, it just doesn't make since. So after meeting him, he got on his golf cart and right there where you met him, there was a security guard and he ran over the guards foot? I mean meeting someone is usually a stationary thing, while driving a golf cart and running over someone's foot requires movement. Maybe you met him, said nothing about your meeting him, the later saw him run over a guards foot? Possibly you were on the golf cart meeting him. You either did a poor job of telling your story, or you're doing a poor job of making one up.
A friend of mine growing up was the son of a woman who worked closely with trump for a long time. Without going into details for the sake of my friend's privacy, his mom said trump was a jackass and was very much opposed to his candidacy. This isn't coming from an underling of trump's she was fairly important, so it's not like she was just an intern or something.
I met Donald Trump back in college when they filmed an episode of The Apprentice at one of our football games. I remember him trying to hit on the cheerleaders and decided that he's a creepy misogynist pig.
I am, and that doesn't sound that creepy- unless accompanied by come hither motions and salacious licking of the lips.
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Holy shit I came here to post this very story ... PMing you.
Crevis05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this going to end up just like the movies? Are you two going to fall in love?
fryzoid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's doubtful; but, at the very least we have already confirmed that we are both from the same group that participated in the taping. Prying for more info now!
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We probably know each other, or at the very least each others faces, still in PMs.
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My friend was asked to hangout with him. She basically said he didnt acknowledge her existence and treated her like a piece of meat. My friends a Stanford business Grad too.
I worked at one of Mr. Trumps golf course and left right around when the election season was starting. He seemed nice to me always. He's a busy man under a lot of stress. Just because he didn't take the time to talk and mingle with every employee didn't make him an asshole like some employees claimed. He made sure all, and I mean all, of his employees were taken care of and treated with respect. I can confidently say I never saw any racist, sexist, douchenozzle, behavior while working for Mr. Trump. The persona he displayed during the election campaign was an act and a gamble and in the end it worked. I can assure you that will not be the Donald Trump that you will see in office.
I interned at one of the major news media broadcasters in D.C last summer and got to watch a live taping of an interview with Donald Trump. The interview was taken place in his home in Beverly Hills so I was watching a live feed from D.C in the control booth.
Before the interview started he talked with the reporter for a couple minutes and seemed like a very nice guy. He talked about his house and how he's only there for like 1 week out of the year but said it was a good investment. The inside was all gold and white as you would expect. His personality and character was very different from when the cameras started rolling. As soon as the interview started he kinda put on his signature mean look and played the persona we saw on the debates.
Overall he seemed like a very likable guy and was able to share some laughs with the reporter.
I havent met him. Although Id almost guarantee that hes the person hes shown himself as. I think the reason hes seen in such a negative light is because people take the things he says and blows it out of proportion or takes it out of context
Joeytk78 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have not, but a friend of mine who lives in Florida owns a furniture company. When Donald Trump was building a hotel there and he bought furniture from my friends company. He didn't pay his bill right away and my friend had to contact him multiple times. The bill was unpayed until about a year after the hotel was furnished.
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jmerlinb ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:23:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friend of your partners mother... that quite far-removed
So he was there? Even though he sent the cops, who were working for him? But she easily won, but couldn't prove it was her place before getting forcibly evicted?
I attended the Everglades Foundation banquet/dinner/benefit (summer of 2005) at the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach (one of Trump's properties) and met Donald personally. Jimmy Buffett was there, the coach of the Miami Heat (Pat Riley) was in attendance, and John Mellencamp performed a private show.
How did I wind up in such a situation? I was working at a marina in Coconut Grove, FL for the summer and my co-worker/friend asked me, while getting high inside the ice cooler to avoid the mid-day sun, if I wanted to attend a party at "Donald Trump's house in palm beach". My first reaction was how my dock rat friend managed to get invited to an exclusive A-List event in PB. He explained that his best friend growing up was the son of a former U.S Senator (Virginia if i recall correctly) and was friendly with various political figures who would be attending the event - there were extra invitations given to the Senator to invite guests. Somehow two stoned dock rats received them in the end. We arrived at the party wearing our best khaki pants and polo shirts (we were mostly broke at the time and couldn't afford dress clothing) and were mean mugged the entire time by various corporate looking wealthy people. At one point we were mistaken as server's out of uniform. After a rather decadent dinner, two hours of open top shelf bar, and the John Mellencamp performance ( wealthy white people really love Mellencamp, and like to dance to "small town") - my friend and I drunkenly stumbled over to the Senator and my friend's child hood friend who were standing, appropriately dressed, in the lounge area. We struck up a conversation and were laughing about a fishing story when Donald strolled up to shake the senator's hand and exchange pleasantries. Since we were standing there smirking like idiots, Donald turned his attention to us. As we were extremely under dressed and likely wreaked of alcohol, he gave both of us the condescending once over and then, looking extremely disappointed, said "are you boys having a good time?". Instinctively I said "yes sir, it's a privilege to be here", and extended my hand as a gesture of respect, but then realized what I was doing. Donald looked down at my hand with dissatisfaction (all these years later, I believe he may have been jealous of the size of my hand compared to his), didn't shake my hand, and then looked awkwardly at me again. At this point I realized that one of the hand towels (they have really really nice throw away hand towels in the bathroom at the Mar-a-Lago Club so i grabbed as many as I could fit in my pocket without looking to ridiculous) I had grabbed for a souvenir was just edging out of my pocket. Donald gave me a "hmmff", turned to the Senator, shook his hand, and excused himself. I do recall vividly that Donald Trump smelled mildly of lunch meat. The Senator turned to me, and started laughing.
TL:DR - got invited to Trump's house in Palm Beach, FL while stoned, listened to a John Mellencamp performance, got drunk, stole towels from Trump's bathroom, and got balked at by our new president.
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My dad makes golf courses for him. They're good friends. DT came to my wedding that was held at Trump National Golf Course in Bedminster NJ, which Used to be my childhood home until DT bought it in 2002 and made it into his golf club.
_Ross- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any pics of him at the wedding? Sounds awesome!
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I do, but I'll have to photoshop my wife and my faces out since we don't want them shown. Since I run restaurants, it might be a while before I can find time to do this
My dad wrote a book about working with Donald over the last 15 years. It's called Donald Trump: an environmental hero
It's not satire apparently
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NYLaw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:50:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My law school legal practice professor told me he was the exact same in person as on the campaign trail. He had her on his yacht, and kept saying stuff like "isn't this the best yacht?"
I'll preface this by saying that I find Trump's statements and positions during this election to be frightening and reprehensible, but:
I run a business in Brooklyn and had hired a contractor to "mud" a huge wall for us (finish a wall by applying plaster over the sheet-rock -- delicate work when done right).
This was a few years ago when Trump wasn't especially in the news. The contractor, an older black gentleman, several times over the course of these few days, would spontaneously tell stories about doing the same kind of work on Trump Tower in NYC, and how it was some of the finest work he had ever been involved in. He and his crew were paid well, treated kindly, and Donald himself would inspect the work to see that it was done to the highest standard. [We're talking successively finer grits of sandpaper, kind of thing.] By all accounts his interactions with Trump were positive and the work he did there the highlight of his long career. This guy, whose judgment I trusted, was utterly effusive in his praise of the Donald and his business practices and attention to detail.
In any case, again, I find some of the things Trump has said extremely frightening. "Decent guy" or not, his rhetoric and choice of cohort cause me to be afraid for my well-being and the well-being of my loved ones.
My step-dad worked for a large firm in New York and had a meeting with Trump about his future casinos. All he really related was, at the end he just thought Trump was a total asshat.
whatsup4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A long time ago when I was a child I was walking around NYC and walked into his hotel. I was walking around inside and a little lost so I asked a stranger where the lobby was. Wouldn't you know it was the Donald and he told me "down the hall and to the left". He was alright in my book but he kept staring at me as I walked away which I thought was weird.
bizzyqu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably very few actually are bullshit. He is his brand and goes to a lot of events and stuff. The majority of the comments are very brief encounters which is to be expected when it comes to a guy as social as Trump is.
Political commentator Keith Olbermann actually lives in the same building as Trump and has bumped into him in the past. He says that when he has, Trump is always polite, the conversation is always about the other person, etc. Nevertheless, Trump is still the VonFuckFace who appointed a racist Steve Bannon Chief Strategist.
My grandmother visited Trump Tower in New York right after it was completed. According to her, Trump himself was in the lobby, selling one of his books. She didn't realize it was him, and didn't buy the book.
I doubt it counts but my Grandpa was from new Jersey and claimed he could walk up to Donald Trump on the street and loan $20 from him. He said a lot of crazy things though so who knows.
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There's footage of him speaking to congress? Some government body, discussing specifics of construction as it pertained to a government project to give them advice on how it was mishandled. Very well spoken and level headed. He hasn't changed any, he just applied the principles he describes in the art of the deal to run an effective presidential campaign. So toss in some reality TV showmanship, more extreme positions than he actually wants (everyones just kinda accepted the wall because he overshot so hard on that front that everyone is just talking about who will foot the bill for example), and media that has a vested interest in making sure he loses, and its no wonder a lot of people are confused.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
15 years ago he testified to Congress about how the United Nations was completely wasting money and how they rebuilt their headquarters and he would do it for free if they would let him.
I was at the Trump International Golf Course in NJ when I was 13 (23 now). I was out randomly filiming bee's surronding a bee hive on the 18th hole. After watching the apprentice for all those years, I heard a man say "Ay! Don't film the bees, we are going to take care of it soon!" So i turned around, and there was Donald, wearing a light pink quarter zip. He sure was a gentle giant.
I've been to his estate, Mar-a-Lago, for dinner. He was very friendly. I remember thinking his hair didn't look as weird in person. I was a teenager at the time so I don't remember much else. I always liked him after meeting him until I saw him in the debates and rambling on about the polls.
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He came and spoke at my university in 2012. I can't remember if he was campaigning or what not at the time but all that I remember is that he had a volunteer from the audience come and tuh on his hair to prove that it wasn't a toupee. Overall pretty generic and forgettable which is something that I can't say about his campaign.
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My mom and I are both in real estate. We had 2 tickets to attended his Trump University seminar. It was basically hundreds of people waiting for him to tell them how to buy commercial real estate. He ended spotting my mom (She was fan girling hard for him and jumping up and down waving her arms) He said "You're beautiful!..You look Filipino?! Are you? (she is) I LOOOOOOVE Filipino women! So sexy!" The crowd had a good laugh and my mom blushed.
This is such a strange thread to read. It conflicts so much with how he's acted. But the thing that does seem to tie him together is that he cares what people think about him and his brand too much, in some cases it seems to like an almost "adorable" (I couldn't think of a better word) degree. Like an insecure old man
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Probably political comments or "didn't meet him but..."
SteveAM1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:23:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't meet him, but I have a friend who had an encounter with him. When he was building some homes near the Trump National golf course in California, he was looking for contractors to do various parts of the development. He called a friend and asked him to provide the materials at cost and the labor for free.
My friend asked why exactly he would do that. Trump said that he'd be able to to tell people he worked on a Donald Trump property. My friend declined.
caryb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Were this question not marked with [Serious], I'd have said that he told me where the lobby in a hotel was once.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:15 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So i read quite some things which were posted here and i really want to believe it, but the thing is that in these days it might be that Trumps PR team just hired a team to make him look good in the social media and this whole thread is a lie. I like to believe that it isn't and move from there, but deep down inside i will never rely on information from this thread because i cannot be entirely sure.
I can appreciate a lot of the content that this thread is generating, but I find it hard to really place value or weight to any given experience without actually having the context of who you are.
Without knowing that much, it's hard to discern whether or not it was a matter of nepotism/patronage/image management or an actual, genuine reflection of his character.
I'm willing to hear out people who want to convince me of his grace, but it's hard to not roll my eyes when I hear about how nice a man he is when they were using his golf course or spending a ton of money in his casino.
I'm willing to hear out people who want to convince me of his grace, but it's hard to not roll my eyes when I hear about how nice a man he is when they were using his golf course or spending a ton of money in his casino.
I dunno. The dude was the CEO of his businesses; if he wanted to delegate the customer service to his employees, he could have easily done so, and if he goes above and beyond to ensure his customers are happy, that does say things about his business values, if nothing else - there's plenty of large companies that don't seem to give a damn about how their customers feel about them.
And that's kind of the thing, isn't it? It can't be taken in any other sense than dealing with customers/patrons for the sake of image management.
Right now, he's not in a position to outsource his image. The question we should be askingโsince he is so 'business-minded'โis who really are the customers in this new situation?
I've posted this before..
Donald Trump came into the movie theater I used to work at, and I served him at the concession stand. He asked about the flavors of our Slushies, they were White Cherry and Cotton Candy. He got the Cotton Candy. Donald Trump enjoys cotton candy...and I literally know that for a fact forever now. He also paid in exact change.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:21:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So far this is the only story that shows Trump being a dick so I'm going to chose not to believe you
LeodFitz ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:09:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It all depends on how you order the posts. If you go with the most upvoted ones, they're all 'he was fine, tipped well, thanked the staff' if you go with the controversial ones, you get some different takes. Not all negative, but not all positive, either.
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I had not looked into that. I also have no idea what it indicates.
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So the one thing we can for sure conclude about this story is that the performer has poor judgement, one way or the other.
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Late to the party, but sort by "controversial" and you'll see what you're looking for.
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eqleriq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:34:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Penn Gilette had a good video detailing his interactions with Trump on the Apprentice, and how he didn't win because he wouldn't support the candidacy.
Penn has a great weekly podcast these days, for people who don't know. Penn's Sunday School. And yeah, he's not a fan of Trump and actually supported Gary Johnson. He's a tad nutty, but I enjoy that in my podcasters.
God I hope this doesn't get buried because I have a very relevant comment. I work as a restoration technician. Basically when natural disasters happen my company goes in and cleans up the aftermath. During the recent flooding in Louisiana I was working at Denham Springs High. we got word that someone important was coming that day to tour the damage. We had to set up a huge scene for him to come in and stand for no more than a hundred and twenty seconds take some pictures talk to the radio and TV. He showed up in at least a 10 car motorcade. Helicopters and local police. Security, secret service, guns, body armor, full regalia. The irony of the situation is that I was running a crew of over 200 illegal immigrant Mexican workers that drove from Texas every morning to work at this job to clean up everything. I took a short video of him leaving I'll try to find it on my cloud and Source it but basically he showed up for a minute-and-a-half got back in his motorcade and left it was the biggest show that I've ever seen for good publicity. Also to clarify when I say we set up the scene, I mean we took him to the dirtiest, nastiest, most flood and mold ridden parts of the school. Laid out carpets and had him walk in about 10 feet... I hate politics. It was my first encounter with this and I was NOT impressed.
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racerx21 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:28:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When exactly does he hang out with white supremacists?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:56:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you shitting me? He appointed one.
racerx21 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:03:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have I ever shitted you?
Please show me any credible proof that whomever this person is, is a white supremacist?
I'm just asking for proof. If you're going to label and accuse someone, please show me factual evidence, not rumors or something from the media.
All I hear is accusations and finger pointing. Every time someone references any of these rumors I ask for proof, and so far I have received nothing in return.
That guy caters to white supremacists though he might not be one. We'll see.
racerx21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:39 on November 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewwwww.... that's not good.
I am in no way endorsing what he is saying, but remember, Obama had the leader of BLM at the White House several times as well as many radical black leaders. So.... there's that.
Smoke and mirrors make something appear equal to another until we see through the trick.
Think how "superior" oppressed people must feel as they're...
imprisoned at higher rates
seeing people who look like themselves in fewer positions of power
the butt of jokes designed to paint their entire race as undesirables ("No black people in Jetsons...the future looks pretty good!")
shot dead unarmed by police while white people who pointed guns at cops still live on.
If that produces a superiority complex I'd hate to see what would produce an inferiority complex.
Remember, oppressed people already start life at the same baseline rate of deep personal insecurities, questioning self worth, etc, as every human being on Earth. Think how much the rate is worsened by the effects of oppression and racism.
So I think it's perfectly fine if Obama met with Black Lives Matter. Their aim isn't supremacy, it's equalization of status (by spreading awareness and offering support until the goal is attained).
For an eye-opener, watch 13th on Netflix.
About how oppressors abused an opening in the 13th Amendment immediately after slaves were "freed". Our system of profit-prisons are descended from that.
And how many white people don't realize how turning a blind eye to the problem ended up fucking them as well.
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Who? If working at breitbart makes you a white supremacist there are a bunch of Jewish and gay white supremacists out there.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:21:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see a lot of good, personal experiences with Trump. Based on all the "removed" posts, a lot of salt is going on.
I took a photojournalism class at my uni last semester and my professor has met him along with a few hundred other famous people. He took a photograph of him for the cover of a Canadian magazine for an article on times square and Trump Tower. I think it was Maclean's. He said hed only do the photoshoot if he got to be on the cover, took a limo to the photo, stood for about a minute, complained, and then left in the same limo. Prof sortof implied he was a jackass during the whole thing.
My grandfather owned a building supply business in the NYC area, and had many contracts with big contractors that built skyscrapers. He had a meeting with Donald in the late 80s (iirc), he told me he was a bully and an asshole, and my grandpa says he told him "to find someone else to do business with".
I'm assuming it's true, and it definitely seems accurate.
My buddy caddied for Trump at a Pro-AM golf tournament. He was tipped only $100
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kcpoopoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:23:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my teachers from high school posted on fb about how he went to school with Donald Trump in NY. He said he ran for class president and went around offering to pay people to vote for him.
My grandparent's first cousin is a highly successful businessman. He says he's known Trump since high school and has a familial relationship through an in-law. When I asked him, he seemed to have a very negative opinion, apparently regarding him as very dishonest.
While this is a very interesting thread, remember to set to controversial to get a complete picture.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:24:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To sum it up for everybody: Trump is a pleasant man that does a lot of good while at the same time making some unpopular decisions which only reinforces him as a human being. Also pays in exact change.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 03:35:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sort the thread by controversial.
Trumpettes are just upvoting the stories they want to hear.
I did this and as someone who's not close to being a Trump supporter, I feel the good stories are a lot more believable than the bad.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:15:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is "I saw him buy a hispanic worker a house" more believable than "I served him at a restaurant, he was an asshole and tipped very poorly"? Come on now.
I'm not saying every positive story is more believable than every negative one (and I'm sure at least some of the positive ones are fake and some of the negative ones are true), but there seems to be a lot more detail in the positive ones.
I could be way off base but it's the impression I got reading through the thread.
I'm sorry, but if you have a minimum amount of cells in your brain you'd know those stories are extremely unbelievable and the way those people tell it it's way politicized and full of hatred.
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Yea, couldn't get through all of them but what the fuck is up with that exact change thing? People kept mentioning it but I haven't heard it said about him before.
I prefer the anecdotes. These are what I'm fishing for. It's not hard to find interviews or books.
Jeembo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:58:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to get some drinks at Trump National in SoCal about 7 years ago and saw him there. He started yelling at someone in the middle of the bar/restaurant area for painting a bridge the wrong color on the golf course.
His gorgeous Ferrari was parked right outside the front door with 4 people guarding it. I wanted to hear it take off so I went outside when he left. He never got above like 10 mph.
I've hated him ever since.
zippyz11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:11:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This didn't happen to me but a good friend of mine. My friend worked as a cook at a Trump hotel. On this particular day there was a protest against Trump outside the hotel (completely unrelated to his campaign; this took place several years earlier.) My friend and some of his co-workers were ordered either by Trump, or someone else at the top to go and break the protest. They did what they were told (successfully to the best of my knowledge.) My friend was laid off a week later. The few times he actually met Trump in person he said he was a "pretty nice guy."
I was at his new hotel in DC and one of the staff at the restaurant told me that he likes his steaks cooked past well-done. The man is obviously not fit to lead.
My father sat down next to him at one of his golf course clubs for breakfast. They talked one on one during the breakfast about various things mostly about what my father does. My father being a meteorologist, Trump asked him about and I'm not joking... "Hair spray". he wanted to know about CFCs and the ozone layer. My father described the situation to him but then he asked about Global warming /climate change. My father was hesitant due to the fact these are two sperate issues, but then Trump filled in the question saying something along the lines of "I don't believe it, It's not real" my father was about to refute but Trump had already moved on. My father overall says he's an interesting man, but most of the people that work for him my father felt there was something strange. People would always ask "is this okay" or like "am I doing this right" and trump would like wave his head or nod.
Late to the party however I worked at one of his golf and Country clubs for the past three summers. He would come in for surprise visits to check on the club and play golf. Gave me $20 because I handed him a Diet Coke, however I always found it weird that he would only drink Diet Coke out of the small glass bottles. Probably because of his small hands. All in all he's a man who is very particular about what he wants and if it's not that way you're in for a bad day. Feel free to ask me more questions I've got plenty of stories.
rhaizee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to point out that he played a role in destroying Atlantic City (yes, it was gonna fall apart anyway, but he did NOT help) by not paying local contractors for the work done on his casinos.
My parents met working in a Trump casino. Both said he didn't really give a shit about employees.
Trump filed Check 11 so he could restructure rather than close the casinos which would have meant all his employees would have lost their jobs. Which contractors were paid and how much was decided by the banks not Trump. BTW his recovery is in the Guineas Book of World Records. He may be the only man alive to take on the big banks and WON. The man is a legend.
So I've got an actual story. My dad and his best friend (who we'll call B) once had a business meeting with Donald Trump. They got into the meeting because Donald knew B's brother. So the meeting had started, and about 5 minutes in, Donald asks B how his sister-in-law is. B says she's doing fine. Then Trump leans forward and asks, "But she's being a good girl?" B, a little flustered, says, "I suppose so." Trump, not letting up, goes, "You're making sure she's being a good girl." B says, "I guess." Trump says, "Good, she should be behaving like a good girl." Basically, the entire meeting, Trump kept asking about the sister-in-law, and both my dad and B left feeling very creeped out.
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Dr_Romm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea it's a common copypasta.
rs16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Met him at a political conference two years ago, before anyone took him seriously as a presidential candidate. He was very stiff and cold. Trump was nervously going over notes for a speech he was about to give. He was the opposite of his gregarious public persona.
Xioo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:07:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to his New Years Party in Mar-a-lago in Florida. (Friends parents are members) Chatted with him for a few minutes. He was very nice and went out of his way to make sure I had everything I needed. Made me really appreciate who he is as a person.
His stage/media presence is 180ยฐ. Still very nice, but he puts on a show to get everyone excited. In private he was quiet and kind.
There were a lot of stories from a friend or a relative that were not personal experiences, so the mods appear to have deleted those ones...also there were TONS of Home Alone jokes.
My dad did work for him in the 80s and early 90s on some very famous sports events. He was warned to get as much of his fee as he could up front. The first time Trump bilked him out of $1000, the second time $2500. I suppose that was his unintentional response to my dad's father (a New York State accountant) testifying against Fred Trump in court
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Except the story I have. I once saw him standing near 1060 West Addison (Cubs Stadium) in Chicago wearing a Batman costume to appear incognito but he stuck out like a sore thumb with that get-up.
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Honestly I wouldn't bother considering anything from this thread; the ones that actually would sway people one way or another are either like "Trump gave me a million dollars" or "I saw Trump murder minority babies" despite the serious tag. Then of course there are the ones like "Donald Trump eats cotton candy" and "Donald Trump can interact with people at a wedding". Wow, the guy is an actual human being, who knew?
Paris Hilton grew up with Tiffany and so knew Trump from a young age. Despite the risk Paris said Trump was a very kind man and later she said she voted for him. Trump seems nice to people in general and very generous with his employees but a total shark in business.
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i see a lot of dickbag anecdotes, but no racism. And the majority of all male presidents have been misogynists. I will be very surprised if a justin trudeau is ever elected in America
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quincess ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:18:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I had an update appointment with my doctor on tuesday. My depression and anxiety has been worse since the election and she said she has had an increase in election related problems recently. One of her patients even told her that if he saw someone drowning in a swamp he would ask who they voted for before saving them...
Anyway, we were discussing the possible implications of having someone in the highest public service position in the country, who has never been in public service before. Maybe it will be alright, maybe not. She mentioned her best friend and her husband once went to a fancy dinner Donald Trump was at, years ago. Donald introduced himself and asked the husband how a chinegro (slur for dark skinned person from Chile ) landed himself a nice English girl. She said they left.
a3wagner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:47:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of her patients even told her that if he saw someone drowning in a swamp he would ask who they voted for before saving them
I'm sure your doctor won't get in trouble for telling you (and probably other clients) that...
quincess ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 00:36:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as long as you don't give up any information about who the client is you should be fine.
pswilco ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:18:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at MSG for a wrestling event in the late 80s. Trump was walking toward me with a security guard about 3 ft in front. As he approached me the guard grabbed me by the shirt and forced me up against the wall. I was posing no threat and it was basically assault. Donald looked at me and smiled with a look that said ' I can do whatever I want'.
I was scared then and I am more scared now.
I had an uncle who met him at Trump national Golf course. He walked up to him and said " it's such a honor to meet you Mr. Trump." Trump responded with, "I know."
About ten years ago my mom and I made our first trip to NYC. We thought it would be fun to go to a fancy restaurant with a prix fixe menu. We might've read it in my travel book or a magazine but we ended up choosing a Trump restaurant at the Trump Tower (or hotel, don't remember), that is near Columbus Circle. We dressed up really nice and went over for our reservation. The place was reallyyyy fancy, fancier than we expected, and full of business guys in suits having lunch. We were dressed nice too but did not expect this level of fancy. Everything we ate was tiny but plated beautifully and we thought it was such a hilarious situation we got ourselves into. As we walked to the restaurant earlier we joked about what the chances were of seeing the Trump man there. So as we're sitting and eating this ridiculous lunch we see from a distance a group of men getting up from their table to leave and holy shit the tallest guy out of them was Trump man himself. We could barely contain ourselves but kept it together. The men had to walk past our table to the exit and Trump stopped at our damn table and said "Hope you're enjoying your lunch ladies" and smiled. My mom squeaked out what sounded like "thank you" and he left. We burst out laughing after he left and this older couple next to us thought we were hilarious and asked us what he said. It was very bizarre and both my mom and I thought he looked a lot better in person and his hair looked really good in person too and not so ridiculous like it did on TV back then. Looking back I think the only reason he said hello to us was because we were women, the only pair of women dining there, the rest were all suits (male) and the much older couple next to us. My mom was then in her late 30s and is very beautiful and I was about 17. Looking back, I think the only reason he even said hello was because of how we looked.
I was staying at the The Plaza Hotel in New York City a number of years ago around the holidays. I was lost and he pointed in the direction of the lobby. Nice guy. That was one heck of a vacation but I'll save that for another day.
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reirarei ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Side eyeing this story. We would never be able to keep gratuities like that. Accepting food and drink on an all night detail is one thing, cash is a strict no-no.
Why were they playing with a Trump's girlfriend, a grown woman?
Edit: Also, if, as I can only guess, you meant Tiffany (who was 7 in 2000), she was raised in California by her mother after the split. She spent all her time in California, and didn't go to NYC often at all. Your story just seems fake.
About 10 years ago I accompanied my mom to a (non-Trump-related) fundraiser at Mar-A-Lago, his club/home in Palm Beach. It was still hot, so we were trying to get to the bar and get some water. Donald must have seen us kind of struggling to make it past people, asked what we wanted, went behind the bar and handed us each a bottle of Trump water, with his picture on it. We said thanks, he said you're welcome. That's it.
Another time, my younger sister and her friends brought a bunch of people back from the bars (Palm Beach again). Eric trump, his girlfriend, and their driver were among the people who came. I could be mistaken, but in my memory he (Eric) was fairly tipsy. Eric spent the whole time in a corner outside talking on the phone, his driver wandered off, and his girlfriend sat on the sofa looking sad. Her and I chatted about film school and movies for a while, and they left a bit later. Now I'm not saying it was him, but Eric and Co. were the last people we didn't know to leave and my dad's bike was in the pool.
I saw him in AC once as a kid at one of the casinos, I was with my parents one was playing slots and I was complaining about being thirsty and basically was told to wait until the comps were up when we were going to eat. A few minutes later someone brought me a drink and since neither of us asked for one my guess is it was him. So nice I guess?
This will probably get buried but I met him when I was around 8 or 9 (circa 1993). We had a family friend who was very wealthy and had a social membership to Mar-a-lago. Although it was a residence at one point, Trump has operated it as a social club for a while. I heard buying a membership costs $100k at initiation and around $20k per year.
Anyways, this family friend invited us to join him at a charity event. Part of it was tennis match between Chris Evert (a successful female tennis player) and Donald Trump. I didn't care too much about the match itself, Evert won, but afterwards I got Chris Evert to sign a tennis ball and got Trump to sign a hundred dollar bill. Not sure why a hundred and not something tennis related but it seemed like an appropriate item. The tennis ball I still have, the hundred I spent on a SNES or something.
The only thing notable about my interaction with Trump was after he signed the bill he asked me if he could keep it. I, in an uncharacteristically smart-ass way, said "no, i think you have enough of them". He chuckled and i scampered off to play croquet with little rich palm beach kids, which was way more fun than anything else that day. The hamburgers were the bomb too.
I didn't really meet him but a few years ago me and my dad were staying at Trump International Doral Miami and we were about to go play 18 holes when the Donald lands his helicopter in the middle of the 1st fairway. He leaves with his entourage and we play golf. The next day when we are leaving the hotel and are waiting outside of the lobby entrance we see Donald wiz by us in a golf cart alone, his hair not being effected by the wind at all.
I have not, but my neighbor who is a bar-back did. My neighbor did not know who Trump was at the time because he does not give a fuck. He said Trump was being a dick acting like he owned the place. Not sure if he owns Radisson hotels or not...
My aunt and her boyfriend used to be members of the Mar-a-Lago Club. As such, they knew and occasionally spent time with Trump.
When my grandmother turned 85 (this was about 8 years ago), they threw her a private birthday lunch at the club (literally just my family being waited on by Trump's staff). The bisque was amazing.
At the end of our lunch, Trump came in to say hello. He was wearing a track suit and he was very subdued; I'd almost say bored. His stopping by wasn't part of the lunch festivities ("and at the end, you'll meet The Donald!"), he just happened to be there and thought he'd poke his head in.
What struck me most about meeting him was that he seemed... short. Allegedly he's 6'3", but I'm a hair under 5'10" and I could have sworn that I was taller than he was.
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First interaction I had, we were at a dinner at Mar-a-Lago and one of his sons was there, too. He was being kind of flirty and gross, especially since he's married with kids. "Handsy schmoozing" as my grandma would say...later, Donald came over and asked if we were okay. It could have been a broad "enjoying yourself?" question, but there was like a wink and a nod about it, like "I know what happened, are you going to say anything?" It didn't really strike me as weird--that's how a lot of those dinners go, one guy is too much and another one comes in and keeps it quiet.
The second time was also in Miami, at an art gallery opening. He was shaking hands, but Melania seemed super bored. But it was an art gallery opening, and they kind of are, so maybe she's actually really nice.
So--nothing CRAZY terrible, but your average rich guy. He actually reminded me a lot of my grandfather and uncle (which is not a ringing endorsement).
I'm from West Palm Beach, FL and live about a mile and a half from his Mar-a-Lago estate. In the fall of my senior year of HS, around 2005 or 2006, the Women's Chamber of Commerce for WPB held their silent auction at his estate and he agreed to give a 30 minute speech in addition to hosting this. I was one of 10 students that was invited to this event by the Chamber of Commerce because of my involvement in an after-school business club. We spent the entire auction just wandering around looking at his house, and when the time came for his speech he personally came over to our table and introduced himself and thanked us for coming before taking the stage. His speech began by explaining his rise within the real estate industry and how successful he had become, and after 10 minutes of that he veered off into a discussion about Martha Stewart. NBC had just started airing a new Celebrity Apprentice around that time with Martha Stewart as host and Mr. Trump spent about 20 minutes telling everyone in this room how horrible she was as a host, how terrible her ratings were, and how her show was gonna get cancelled soon. I remember everyone in this room, about 60-70 ppl, laughing at these "jokes" as he told everyone how much better he was than her. I laughed along with it too at the time, and I remember an older person at our table telling us about Mr. Trump's "big personality".
ckeat22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to a girl's birthday party at a Trump golf course where I live. They had reserved the pool area for the party and only people attending the party were able to use it. I saw a helicopter land with the crest on it and thought nothing of it. About an hour later when I was swimming in the pool I came face to face with Donald and his son Baron. No words were said but he just smiled and kept swimming with his son.
Ricknow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to a rally last December, waited in line and got to shake his hand after he spoke, when my friends asked what it was like all I could think is that his hand was smaller than i expected. Then Rubio brought it up like a week later.
vaymat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im kind of disappointed with all the responses. I know it was just if you met him before hand but I expected someone to have dealt with him on the reg on some matter of importance. I mean these are all really shallow experiences.
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Yeah, I'm sure Cuban had no personal agenda or bias behind his statements. Ironic thing is Cuban is also a thin skinned, impatient hot head with cold blooded, ruthless business practices. Everything he accuses Trump of.
Nidman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dads a lawyer; met him and Trump wouldn't shake his hand--apparently he's a germaphobe.
Also, some scantily-clad models left his office just prior to their visit.
Story from my father: "In the 1990s, mom and I had to go to a lot of fundraisers for Axa/ equitable financial, which was my largest client. They were big supporters of the starlight foundation. One such fundraiser was held at the plaza hotel in one of the main ballrooms. As mom and I were entering the revolving door of the hotel, Donald Trump was coming out. He entered the same revolving door we were in. When he was directly across from mom and he saw her, he held the door so it wouldn't revolve and was staring at her. He wouldn't let it go so she could get out. He held it until he saw the look I gave him from behind her. He must have thought she was alone. I remember thinking what an asshole but mom and I laughed it off"
Mom is referring to my mom
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I'm do not want to accuse you of lying but what year was this? He has said on multiple occasions that he has never drank and his view was cemented when Donald's brother died of alcoholism.
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I read that he told Matt Farah /u/thesmokingtire not to lean against the Trump Tower in NYC.
True story. "Could you not lean on my building?" is the exact quote. In fairness, I had been warned several times by Trump Tower door men that "Mr. Trump doesn't like people sitting in his lobby," "Mr. Trump doesn't like people sitting on his planters," and "Mr Trump doesn't like people leaning on his building." So you could say it was my fault. On the other hand, you could say that a narcissistic sociopath told a $10/hour delivery man just trying to get through the work day not to lean on his hundred million dollar building on Fifth Avenue, the most public possible place in Manhattan. For real, fuck that guy.
The dudes in Macedonia must have negotiated a good price for each comment posted. I wonder if there's a solid heuristic to determine if an account is a sockpuppet as there's at least 10k people in this thread that have had some kind of meaningful interaction with Donald Trump. The dude's got a hyuge sphere of influence, but this just doesn't match the smell test at all.
In an AskReddit thread, one of the mods recently posted how sockpuppets are created - mainly by using bots to repost slightly old content, and using existing sockpuppets to repost the comments from the previous thread and upvote. The more times this cycle is run, the more accounts and the more karma. Once you have a few thousand, you can effectively control what gets displayed on the front page. Afterwards, the owners sell the network of accounts to the highest bidder - typically for spam, but it looks like it can be used to astroturf as well evidenced by this thread.
I'm sure Trump isn't the only one using this either - HRC's threads were pretty similar.
Sort by controversial. A lot of negative experiences were deleted as well.
zeta3232 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it was my stunning hot russian friend birthday and we decide to celebrate inside trumps tower in las vegas, i was surrounded by 4 other Eastern European chicks, trump was on the VIP section with a girl and he send us a really expensive champagne bottle and a cake.
Trump seems to have a thing for the whole russian\eastern Europe accent as her companion had a really hard russian accent.
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About 4 years ago I attended a seminar with him as one of the guest speakers. He spoke about his media shows, his upbringing, daily routine, his business ethics, etc. He was quite fascinating to listen to.
A few people I know got to meet him backstage.
I've always admired him as a figure and respected him as a get-the-job-done kinda guy and business man.
I care not what the media says about him, or what people think negatively otherwise. Does he do what needs to be be done? For the most part, yes.
Read his 'Art of the Deal', and 'Think Like a Champion'.
I'm closely related to someone who had a couple dinners with him, and also operated on his hair!
The person said that he was a relatively nice man, however he seemed to ignore everyone who wasn't super important to him. Yeah.
Careful now, denying that operation happened is part of Donald's refutation of the claim he raped his first wife after beating her and ripping out clumps of her hair. She never retracted the claim but characterised that beating and sex as being violated,how a person distinguishes that from rape is beyond me unless she is referencing the laws still around at least till the 80s that said a spouse can't technically rape their other half
ikhan93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:19:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real Donald Trump does not speak in metaphors, let alone un-mixed ones. The man who once famously pronounced "I know words, I have the best words" scorched through the primaries using the vocabulary of a signing gorilla ("China โ money โ bad!").
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Just stating, lots of people are really "surprised" about his nice behavior because they don't notice what's going on.
He acted the way he did to secure his vote, as a lot of people in this country are really conservative, and lots may even be racist or sexist, or so on.
By being that person during candidacy, he won.
And since he won and secured his role as president (mostly), he can now unleash who he actually is and his true policies.
I don't know if that makes sense, but it does to me.
I would even consider it genius, if you will.
Because right now, he's showing that he's a really democratic and very open/caring person, and that he's fit to be president.
Just people get too out of the loop with the news, or take "media" sites too seriously, may not notice this.
But he seems very nice.
Donald Trump didn't just start acting like a jackass in public when he ran for office. He has been doing that for years. The Entertainment Tonight tape was years before he ran for office.
Donald was nominated and elected not because he said racist or sexist things but because he stuck it to the establishment. People are tired of the country being run by elitist, rich bankers, and lobbyist. He said he would change that. THAT is the reason people voted for him.
So far, he has purged all the lobbyist from his transition team, so he might actually stick to some of his promises he made.
Trump supporters voted for him because we realized he is NOT racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic or bigoted. We loved his call that we return to MLKs vision that we treat each other as individuals. We loved the experience of being united by our love of America and the desire to make it better for everyone. This kind of unity encourages diversity and freedom.
I'm unhappy with a few things he's done.
But I'm happy that there is at least someone out of the political loop that is in power, because that means if he grants it, it could create change.
I'm kinda meh about him.
I don't hate him.
But I do find some of the things he's done illogical.
I have major issues with illegal immigrants, but a wall isn't really something that will stop them from coming in. There are more methods than just "walking" into the country. He's just wasting cash on poorly thought out ideas.
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I went on an Apprentice themed cruise back in 2006ish and he was there at the dock before the send off. The cruise was really late for boarding so a lot of the people didn't seem to be too thrilled.
He glad handed a few people in the line as he made his way to a small stage they had. They played "For the Love of Money" by the O'Jays over the loud speakers and he gave a short speech about his show or something. It was a little cheesy, probably because it was a Carnival Cruise, but it was what it was.
Perhaps rules 5/8 of /r/AskReddit? Some that I have seen prior to their deletion seemed pretty innocuous but maybe they devolved into soapboxing or something? I'm not familiar with the moderation style but if something constitutes a breakdown in open-ended discussion then maybe? I can see a thread like this resulting in some abhorrent words being thrown around.
Ah, that makes sense. Lots of 3rd-party retellings. Wish we could put that at the top to simmer down some of the tin foil hats coming in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister met him at a golf tournament at Pebble Beach when she was little. My mom has a picture of him lifting her up on his shoulders.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivanka seems normal, from the Johnson & Johnson heir's documentaries. I kind of assumed his personal was a ruse based on her (albeit somewhat distanced from reality due to her wealth) normalcy.
Look at their photo shoots then see what you think . Remembering he has no shoots like this with his sons or Tiffany.. not even that overt with his wives actually
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Ew. The way you're describing it, I don't think I want to... aaaaand now I'm back to worrying.
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Not what you're looking for, but my dad was invited to cook at a tailgate for him several weeks ago. I would have been able to meet him, but we were already doing our tailgate two hours away. I was ready to pack up and go, but being the old man he is, he wanted to stay.
Earguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only from a distance. Through friends of friends, I was 5th row for a major boxing match, where I spotted Melania (pre-marriage if memory serves) with a clipboard and walkie shepherding high rollers so they don't stray into other casinos. Afterward we were escorted right past the line to get into the club in one of the Trump properties where we were treated free drinks and a premium table.
In the club, there was a roped-off area with maybe three small tables and couches and chairs. Donald Trump and an entourage of guys in suits, escorted by obvious bodyguards, entered the roped off area. Little by little, beautiful women were allowed past the ropes. Paid models? High end call girls? Just the prettiest women in the club that night? I have no idea. The booze flowed and the VIPs sat like royalty. Trump was obviously the king holding court. Who knows where Melania was, and who knows how the evening ended for them.
For me, it ended up with me so hammered that I couldn't drive home.
Was trump drinking? I always heard he doesn't drink (brother died of alcoholism)
Earguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:09 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I don't remember/didn't look for it.
Carzbarz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him at work in 2014. He was surprisingly charming and nice, although he was being interviewed so perhaps he was just on his best behavior. I have a large visible tattoo on my arm that he complimented and then suggested he get a matching one. We took a photo together that my mom embarrassingly displays proudly.
I met khim at work in 2014. He was surprisingly charming and nice, although he was being interviewed so perhaps he was just on his best behavior. I have a larirttge visible tattoo on my arm that he complimented and then suggested he get a matching one. We took a photm that my mom embarrassingly displays proudly.g
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Ran into him at Wrestlemania VII in Los Angeles. I was 17 at the time. Said thank you for hosting Wrestlemania IV and V and he said thank you and that was it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just waiting for him to say "just kidding" on lot of things he have said
There were a lot of stories from a friend or a relative that were not personal experiences, so the mods appear to have deleted those ones...also there were TONS of Home Alone jokes.
I know someone that interviewed for a major position with one of his hotels. He said he was nice and professional, but he loved talking about himself, which should come as a surprise to no one.
tom641 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything i've heard of Trump makes him sound like he's a decent guy in person. Pretty much all of the shit I hear of him is just not sending checks, or complaining on twitter, or something else impersonal. The debates were the closest thing i've seen to him being a bitch in person and even then he was pretty clearly just spouting things to win, I doubt he has any real problem or care with the Clintons other than being his opponent.
As a decent supporter of his and based off the comments here and other stories. He's an asshole when doing business, pretty good guy with people, especially his own employees.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine once played golf with him. He said he cheated by knocking his ball out of the ruff with his foot!
TyNyne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not about meeting trump, but I would like to say I'm surprised that all the comments here are very pleasant and nice things about him. Very... surprised.
victorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All these pleasant encounters really make it seem like he has a great personality, and is a kind-hearted man. It begs the question, then: is he really a douche-bag deep down or is he a puppet being pulled/manipulated by higher powers?
Trump has NEVER been anyone's puppet. He does not kow tow to elites or convention. That's one reason why he's irritating to some people. I remember Ali was hated because he was mouthy and brash and did not follow social conventions for proper behavior either. Trump is cut from that mold.
victorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:03 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't convincing proof -- or even an attempt at one -- that he didn't sell himself to higher powers. You're simply reiterating the symptoms, while I'm interested in the cause.
he just said all the offensive stuff so that he would get media coverage. I'm sure he won't follow through on a lot of the extreme things he claimed he would do. Honestly I think all the things the media said (racist/xenophobic/misogynist etc) are nothing to worry about and what we should really worry about is the fact that he is inexperienced and therefore might not know how to manage a country well
He has only earned himself the power to do things of the same nature as the agenda he ran on, even if he can't constitutionally ban people via religion or afford a physical wall. donald's election win installed republican majorities with a serious mandate from voters.
He can't suddenly switch to a much more palatable agenda because he blew the people who would vote for it (in legislative form) out of the water.
victorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What is a man but his words and actions?
But nevertheless, what makes you so sure that he won't go through with the things he said he would? Not doing them sounds great from the perspective of those individual things, but bad because he would be starting off his presidency by not fulfilling his promises.
Exactly. He just wiped out the folks most likely to reject the stuff he promised and got a mandate from a set of people who were talking about armed revolution if Hillary had won (because it would mean failure to deliver his stated agenda)
I'm still firmly of the opinion that as so many people close to him say, his ego goes on autopilot 90 percent of the time but is also fragile as hell and this is all a response to being insulted (which he more than deserved,he got off lightly not being called a racist) for his birther movement in 2011. That being said I'm sure he thinks he can cruise by doing weaker versions of what he promised and be this popular president, he is already sounding like he wants to be friends with the Clintons again who he basically said both belonged in jail several times over and were con people and in bills case, a rapist. Wonder how the women he had around him at the second debate feel now! He sounds like he is back to considering them losers and liars ? Its really up to him to square all that along with his changing positions on everything but the death penalty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:38 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Those are the only options?
victorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:33 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to hear some other, nicer options, because the two I mentioned aren't all too great.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never met him myself, but can say my cousin worked for him as a caddy at one of his golf courses. My cousin says he's a great guy, and is a big supporter. He is also the kind of guy that would not at all be put off by the leaked tape stuff, so take it for what it's worth.
I was in attendance at the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony in 2013 where he was a member of the class.
Didn't interact with him directly but I, and about 12,000 other people, booed him mercilessly for about 20 minutes. I enjoyed it.
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G3G123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Donald Trump twice.
The first time was at the hospital where we had our first daughter. Trump was there on whoever the fuck knows what business. I remember hearing several nurses holler.
The second time was at a Christmas telecommunications convention in Northern Minnesota. I remember there was a dispute due to the fact that Donald didn't want the convention to have a Santa but the organizers did. They had the Santa so trump showed up in a purple Santa suit and stayed for only 10 mins.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Met Donald a few years ago in one of his hotels and he saw our group of photographers and kept walking by us I guess hoping we'd take his picture. When he went by the 4th or 5th time he said "oh come on, all those cameras and not one of you has tried to take my picture?" We weren't there to shoot him though, we were there for an event. Seemed nice enough but his comments made me think he really likes being in the spotlight and why I did not vote for him. I think he will love the title of being THE president but I don't think he actually wants to do the work.
Met Donald Trump Jr (thats the dark haired one right?) on a separate occasion and he was kind of a douche. His general attitude about "the help" that was serving him bothered me and I wasn't even one of them. Seemed like one of those smug frat guys you meet in college who have everything handed to him.
In Boca Raton at a restaurant on a golf course maybe 10 or 12 years ago, I came back from the driving range to a table where he and my Dad were sitting and discussing 'The Art of the Deal.' Felt like witnessing any other coffee-shop meeting my Dad was in my whole life. Normal businessman.
We both think he's a danger to the country, a bigot, etc.
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Bricci ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you, but you're not "the butterfly that caused this whole situation". He has been asked and encouraged countless times about running for President, dating back to the 80's.
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sartyler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:47:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
was i down voted because i stated a fact on the HRC side, or was i down voted for interpreting her ideas and applying them to Trump based on this topic
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npor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8th one of these I've read so far. Stop it. So unoriginal.
I was walking down a street in NY sometime in '99. I was visiting for the first time so I was a bit overwhelmed with the buildings. I was looking around at the buildings as I went around a corner and someone knocked me to the ground. I looked up and it was Mr. Trump.
I said, "Hey, Mr. Trump, why'd you knock me down?"
Wow, these comments make him sound nice. He treats the "little men" (food servers, random people on the street, etc) well.
Having gone to a school with lots of rich kids and their families, I can tell you this in not always the case.
Kinda gives me more hope. If only he didn't have Mike Pence as his vice.
bozon92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:24:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From all of these, it seems that Donald Trump one-on-one is a pretty decent guy, but that decency quickly deteriorates when you put him in front of a crowd.
15 golf courses in Scotland, Ireland and across the Eastern Seaboard
seven golf courses in the United States
From Wikipedia. He probably has a few more too haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd hazard a guess that that would be because her public social presence beyond politically motivated occurrences (and staged photo-ops like the hiker thing) has been basically non-existent for thirty years.
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Yep. Everybody knows that 95% of his comments he's ever made that were construed as sexist and horrible were made as jokes on places like the Howard Stern Show. Entertainment. And suddenly people people decided to treat those comments as completely serious and malicious.
I was a cubscout, and we were opening at a baseball park.
I was pretty young, all I remember was him not wanting to talk outside of the actual event (Which I understand, I mean some of the cubscouts wern't even 10), but being nice for the camera.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea if any of this is true, and this thread is a survey of peoples' personal experiences, not a test of their Googling skills.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My old boss worked for him years ago. It was her job to handle his multiple affairs and make sure the women didn't know about each other.
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nevkev ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:27:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was getting the bus from Aberdeen to Peterhead (Scotland) around 4 years ago. The bus was going past Trump's new golf course and there he was, checking out his new sign. We was wearing his golfing gear and his PA was waiting for him in the Land Rover (she looked hot). If I knew then what I know now, I would've definitely gotten off the bus and kicked his ass. Or asked for money.
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Legend has it that Donald Trump's in the face of the poor children of the UK.
Nearly every comment here does not answer the post even remotely. Jesus Christ can you people read? Your dad meeting him 95 is irrelevant, keep that to yourself.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read in the past as well as here that he is an upstanding guy, very respectful and polite as well as generous. But the campaign really painted a whole different picture of him and it's hard to know what's truth and what's not. But knowing what I think I know about him I think he could honestly do this country a lot of good. And before you ask, no I did not vote for him.
The question is always wonis the painter and what do they want the painting to look like.
Whatever people might think of him, I do not believe he is as bad as portrayed.
The most accurate metric to assess future behavior... is past behavior.
It seems like a lot of what he said and did in the campaign was a performance.
You're in for a rude shock.
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LT508 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at one of his campaign stops in New Hampshire with a friend of mine. We posted up at the exit with a first edition of "Art of the Deal" for him to sign. We were warned that he wasn't going to sign anything, so we were ready. I set a pick and threw my shoulder into a secret service guy, making a space for my buddy to make his move... He proceeds to smack Trump on the shoulder with the fucking book, like really hard, he was actually shaken a little. Trump see's a nice young man in a suit waving this book in his face, grabs the sharpie and throws down a quick signature (kept the pen). He yells to my buddy, "Great Book!". We were the only ones to get anything signed that night. In hindsight, it may not have been the best idea to hockey-check a secret service agent, but its his fault for letting his guard down... Best night of my life.
Well, if that's actually you and your friend, then kudos for hitting a secret service member to get to the person they were defending and not getting filled with lead.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:29:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I had asked about Trump specifically. Maybe you should make a Hillary thread.
ivybelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, while I am the LEAST likely person to defend Hillary, there probably haven't been nearly as many opportunities for people to have gotten close to her in the past two decades or more as there has Trump. She has had a secret service detail since the 1992 campaign. I'm not really sure anyone really could have gotten personally close with her aside from campaign/ political staff who are notoriously closed lipped and potentially some wait staff.
I mean, there was the recent picture with that woman who "stumbled upon" Hillary in the woods or whatever, but she would have had to "stumble upon" a few secret service agents first to get close enough for that selfie.
I'm just not sure that she has been as accessible given her positions. Trump was more available for people to bump into and do business with. Hillary stories would have to be from 25+ years ago and she is likely a much different person after having lived in the White House, serving as a senator, serving as Secretary of State, and having two runs at president.
Like I said, I'm the last person to defend her, but I don't know if it's fair in all honesty to expect to find stories about her either way from "regular" people.
That's a good point, I hadn't considered that. Though I have seen several selfies of individuals with her floating around the internet, and I'd be curious to hear their anecdotes, even if it only represents the briefest of exchanges. I'd like to hear impressions from those people and not just her escorts (who generally have nothing good to say about her). My whole purpose in posting this thread was to find short anecdotes about Trump, and I expected to hear terrible things.
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ivybelle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I know. I didn't mean to derail your thread. Sorry. I was just responding to that other person. Sorry.
Ya this post has been kinda weird, did it sit unnoticed in new for hours then explode in popularity? That would be one indicator of an astroturfing PR blitz.
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outdoorsychick ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:42:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't it seem weird there's not a lot of negative things. Probably removed- paid off
DIDNT_READ_YOUR_SHIT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:55:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Most things getting removed are pro-trumpnope i am wrong about this
Xolotl123 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:43:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really, because every post I've read is pro-trump.
666Evo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:38:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like the media have lied about him...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:40:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of these "true stories" are feminazis acting like one creepy recording of Trump means he automatically hits on EVERYONE.
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I'd like to report this thread as propaganda.
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jackcloud65 ยท 687 points ยท Posted at 21:41:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad has met him through his job, and said he was very respectful and humble. This was on the campaign trail this last year.
mmmcarbs ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 16:48:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing "humble" in relation to him seems crazy given the campaign tone but all these stories seem to point that way. Fascinating and weirdly comforting.
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:38:41 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he flips and just is the best president ever. So far so good
RickyHaze ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:28:51 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah can't really believe all what the media puts out.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:12:10 on November 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does he seem like such an egotistical dick anytime he is reported via the media? Or is it just a spin that the media puts on him? Or is it just a persona he has that helps him garner more support/voters? I am genuinely curious about this.
apackofmonkeys ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:20:30 on December 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a Trump fan here, but I will say when I listen to an actual speech in full from him, he seems a lot less dickish than hearing one-sentence quotes and Tweets. Not necessarily good, but at least not an outright dick.
[deleted] ยท 1310 points ยท Posted at 20:58:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be a cable tech in NYC and we would service trump tower on occasion. I got to replace the cable box in is "living room" and show him how to use on-demand to watch a movie. Made a joke about how he hates the company i worked for even though hes an investor. He then said thank you and had his assistant hand me a nice tip before we parted ways. Got 10s on the automated survey call after i finished the job, but im not sure if hes the one to thank for that since i doubt he put his number down when opening the account up.
flat6turbo ยท 516 points ยท Posted at 01:30:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is the most gangster shit i have ever heard in my life.
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Hi_mom1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:55:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does he really own half of Comcast? Holy shit - I never knew that.
Snax63 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 01:23:37 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he does not.
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:14 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8n think they meant his wealth is half of the size of the wealth of Comcast.
WolfofAnarchy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:15:46 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald's a gangster
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u got a soft dick bro
thehappyheathen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:59:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clever
flat6turbo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:57:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
girl
excaliburxvii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:25 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do a better job while you're down there then. Try using a little tongue.
flat6turbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:33 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this kind of reddit joke thread only works if you reply immediately not a day later bruh. it's gone.... soft
excaliburxvii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:26:39 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then do your job.
flat6turbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:53 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you like getting blowjobs from guys?
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:06 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't?
EXTRAsharpcheddar ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:29:27 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even trump hates the cable companies
TreeStrength ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:27:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How much did the donald tip?
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 02:10:17 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
enough
TreeStrength ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:19:27 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't you just say the amount? Don't make any sense.
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 03:37:52 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because people will immediately argue over the amount and whether or not it was enough of a tip and whether or not that makes him unfit to run the country.
drjams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:44 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no man. How much
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:39:04 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of it
drjams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:05 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much did he tip?
TreeStrength ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:22 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know
drjams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:52 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, sorry
RJrules64 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:45:46 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
were you nervous? I know I wouldve been.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:31:04 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, you meet a lot of celebs working in southern Manhattan so you get kind of desensitized.
YouLikeWhatYouC ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:24:15 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How much did he tip?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:10 on February 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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drjams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:43 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much did he tip?!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:38:48 on February 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole tip
lyzergnature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:27 on March 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds to me that you offered a remarkable service and so he treated you the same way with a decent amount of respect etc.
GabeDef ยท 637 points ยท Posted at 22:34:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not one of my better moments: In summer of 1996 I was working in the West Side. I took long walks for my lunch break and ended up in the SoHo area. I saw Trump exiting a limo and entering a restaurant. I yelled "Hey, Trump!" He turned and waved and I swear he said "It's Donald!"
Of all the things 20 year old me could have said...
Raikkonen716 ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 17:33:48 on January 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In another universe, you are the Vice President of the United States.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:51:46 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In another universe, You're Trump.
Raikkonen716 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:43:34 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seems like this post never gets old
tresanus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:04:32 on February 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does.. in another universe
biasface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:49 on February 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we reviving this thread?
ketatrypt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:40:48 on February 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why not! MAKE THIS THREAD GREAT AGAIN!
-Q24- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:07:33 on April 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah!
Donk_Quixote ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:18:42 on March 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing better than another universe... is the multi-Pence universe we live in now
KatzDeli ยท 1313 points ยท Posted at 23:02:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Very New York story. I am eating dinner at the Silver Star Diner on 2nd avenue in NYC. This is about 1993. At the table next to me is comedian Jackie Mason. The Diner has floor to ceiling windows and outside walks by Trump, Marla Maples, Trump's parents and couple of other people. Trump sees Mason and walks in and heads to the table. On the way over, his father bumps into my table and knocks over my water. He apologizes and I say it's ok. Marla actually grabs some napkins and starts cleaning it. Trump goes on about what a horror it is (clearly joking) and says he will buy me a new water "as many as you want".
Then Jackie Mason goes on for 20 minutes about how cheap Trump is. He has the whole Diner in stitches. Trump jokes it's not his fault because he just gave
IvankaIvana "a whole lot of money". Donald takes it well but he leaves about halfway through smiling and waiving at everyone.JManRomania ยท 575 points ยท Posted at 17:11:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahaha holy shit that's Mr. Krabs tier
keywhip ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 06:32:01 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is actually a pretty good joke
Tasgall ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:08:19 on December 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Krabs would actually be a bit more stingy.
"<gasp> Yer water! Well, I 'aint buyin' you a new one!"
[deleted] ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 03:20:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason this took my mind to Seinfeld.
colinxmac ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:54:37 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup I saw this all going down at Monks in my head.
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:43 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because it's written like a made up story.
madhousechild ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 04:08:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He seems to be a really good sport. I used to live near that diner btw.
cinepro ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:42:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently until it's Obama telling the jokes. Then Trump turns into Cartman, and the USA turns into Scott Tenorman.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 11:14:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is going to make America eat the UK?
cinepro ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:10:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about that, but you can bet the salty tears on the media's faces last week were delicious.
madhousechild ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a South Park reference? I don't watch.
MrStigglesworth ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:24:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Cartman is an evil shit stain. Scott Tenorman was a kid who tricked Cartman into gluing Scott's shaved pubes onto Cartman's face. Cartman then goes around saying he's the most mature of the boys because he's the first to have pubes. After he realises he's been fooled, some shit happens and long story short, Cartman gets Scott's parents killed, ground up, and cooked into chili, which he then serves to Scott. It's a bit fucked up.
EliTheMANning ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:33:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has to be the best episode of South Park ever.
MrStigglesworth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:45:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's one of my favourites for sure. Man, I should go back and watch it, it's been years since I last saw it.
Gnar1s_Darwin ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:32:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cartman also brought Scott Tenormans favorite band (Radiohead) along to make fun of him for unknowingly eating his own parents.
RamloAgrees ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It becomes even more fucked up when it's revealed they're half-brothers...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:19 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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VierDee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:39 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the Mormon episode. It is really good.
Medic_101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:20 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from the pubes that sounds like Titus Andronicus.
EXTRAsharpcheddar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:33:17 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
His public persona really is an act, whether it's on TV, or at a small diner. The man is shrewd, he may manage to make something of the GOP.
Also, Pence is a total POS
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:58 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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EXTRAsharpcheddar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:52 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
who, trump or pence?
Jayden82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:35 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you
EXTRAsharpcheddar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:23 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good job
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 00:27:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
great story!
KatzDeli ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:34:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many people are googling Jackie Mason.
COGspartaN7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:25 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he did play a Trump like character in Caddyshack 2.
deleteandrest ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:59:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivana
funk-it-all ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:58:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the new device from apple
the_big_cheef ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:51:55 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take two please
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:34 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One per customer
kafka_after_dark ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:33:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not much out there more New York than Katz!
meisterschaf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:28:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the father bumped into the table? What did the father say??? My grandfather was the only person I recall that knew the father of Mr. Trump (Fred Trump) as he was a private equity chieftain. The father was a real gentleman too.
KatzDeli ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:46:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He apologized and then started laughing when his son made a joke of it. It really wasn't a big deal. I was a 23 year old kid just enjoying what was going on.
And Marla was really easy on the eyes. Stunning.
meisterschaf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:11:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Terrific story!!! What a time to be alive! Lucky you.
WolfofAnarchy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:42 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why am i not surprised. love him
PM_ME_YOUR_AIRCRAFT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:27:54 on February 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for some reason I don't believe this
excited_by_typos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:39 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an awesome story. I wish I could have seen it.
cross-eye-bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He left half way through? Did the guy keep going after he walked out?
KatzDeli ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:06:19 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He sure did.
Stupid-comment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:42 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it wasn't a "yuge amount of money" ??
discollegebitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:17:11 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Waiving and waving and two different things jsuk lol
ZlatanIslamovic1 ยท 1786 points ยท Posted at 23:48:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 13 years ago my Mom brought my brother and I to New York because one of her friends let her stay in her house. We were from Ireland so this was a big deal and a big expense. My brother was around 5 or 6 and stressing my Mom out because he was complaining and acting up for the whole week. We were walking down some random street in Ney York and my brother was having a temper tantrum and my Mom was shouting at him. He had a spongebob squarepants toy in his hand and threw it at her. She ducked and it nearly hit Donald Trump who was also on the street. He just laughed and said "Oh, there goes Spongebob".
Badger-Actual ยท 294 points ยท Posted at 07:44:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fully believe this, especially since he's a father and grandfather and... Welp, that sounds daddish.
Sipp621 ยท 279 points ยท Posted at 01:58:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now this is good! Makes me laugh how he just laughed it off. Thats pretty cool
violatedbear ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 18:41:39 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But...cnn told me he would have raped him?
fluffles724 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:45:13 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BREAKING: Young boy saves himself from being raped by Donald Trump with Spongebob toy!
1p-coin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:59:59 on December 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah that's pretty cool of him. most people would have just punched a 6 year old in the face.
Prince_Pika ยท 197 points ยท Posted at 05:32:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually really cute. I can just imagine how mortified your mom must have been.
On the other hand, your brother has eternal bragging rights for a hilarious story.
Siphyre ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:03:40 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I almost killed the future POTUS: Story Time!
xXTheCitrusReaperXx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:09:10 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NSA is watching you for the keywords suspicious in this sentence
radioactive2321 ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 13:44:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you feelin' it now, Mr. Trump?
mango__reinhardt ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:20:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You like Krabby Patties... don't you Mr. Trump?
radioactive2321 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:38:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is so rich, he has a swimming pool in his swimming pool.
NickPookie93 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 07:58:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed harder than I should have at this
HarshWarhammerCritic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:29:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so naughty, laughing more than 3.8 seconds
NickPookie93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I'll probably be getting coal this Christmas. :(
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:41:56 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll get coal alright
Coaled hard cock
Good-Writer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you laugh?
oogeewaa ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 12:39:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a fun story
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:20 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why was it fun?
INVISIBLEAVENGER ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:38:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...said Donald, watching as Sandy and Spongebob went sailing through
Bikini BottomFifth Avenue..."[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:51:54 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have to call bullshit on this. I am from Ireland. Nobody says 'We were from Ireland' - if you were born or grew up here, you're always from here, unless you're dead. Also, 'mom'. Nobody says that here. Add this to the fact that this thread is about the most unpopular man in the world and I'm almost positive that this little story is fiction. Like many of the others.
memphoyles ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:24:58 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
You're just mad that the story is about a nice moment of a guy you clearly hate, get out of here, take politics out of this thread.
ZlatanIslamovic1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:35 on March 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I am from Ireland. I said "Mom" because it was going to be Americans reading it so it was easier than saying "Mam". I hate Trump so I don't really care if people think it didn't happen.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:09:07 on February 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you some Indian guy getting paid to write pro-trump stuff on the web? Your English is close but not there yet mate.
memphoyles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:33 on February 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does it matter? Are you being racist?
Cynical_Stoic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:54:42 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha wow.
ZlatanIslamovic1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:13 on March 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I am from Ireland. I said "Mom" because it was going to be Americans reading it so it was easier than saying "Mam". I hate Trump so I don't really care if people think it didn't happen.
brixton75 ยท 234 points ยท Posted at 22:55:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked as a travel agent in a boitique agency. We planned his wedding to Marla Maples who was sweet as sugar. Donald Trump loved my boss but as i was a teen he treated me with civility but didnt pay me much mind. I also delivered tickets to his home a few times. His kids were always very nice. He brought my boss to work as his personal agent a few years later at Mara Lago. Overall he was a pleasant businessman conducting business. The only outstanding thing about them was how sweet Marla was.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:06:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've been really impressed with how she handled her relationship with him after their marriage ended. She's definitely been committed to putting the well-being of her daughter first and foremost. Of course it wasn't good of her to have an affair with a man she knew was married but her actions later on have really redeemed her. She's a great mother and has her priorities straight, I can totally believe that she's very sweet irl.
FrenchToast1047 ยท 862 points ยท Posted at 21:49:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at a WWE show in which Trump "made it rain" 100 dollar bills. Was not angry.
soniko_ ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 06:40:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
were they real bills?
if so, damn!
cassandraspeaks ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 08:29:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WWE crowds must be pretty well-behaved, if they were. Seems like something that could legit cause a riot.
The_Punniest ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:24:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you are not a WWE fan (I'm not) you should really go to a show sometime. They are loads of fun.
FrenchToast1047 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:17:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No riots, just overwhelming happiness
MellowJolly ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:08:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually it's fake bills with whoever's face on it.
If it was legit bills, I'm not sure how to feel abou that
FrenchToast1047 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:12:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assure you, these ones were real
MellowJolly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:19:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I think I remember that, doesn't look like as much money as I thought, just a decent amount of 5 - 100 dollar bills.
I never want to see Trump in wrestling again, god that looked awful.
FrenchToast1047 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:23:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yea this was almost 10 years ago, I misremembered as I would've sworn it was all hundreds.
MrBootylove ยท 989 points ยท Posted at 21:42:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad actually went to high school with him. From what he's told me they were somewhat friends, but I don't think my dad really hung out with him too much. My entire life my dad has only ever had nice things to say about him, and describes him as a "prince."
ForeverFun ยท 232 points ยท Posted at 01:39:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does your dad have any insight into Donald's father? All I have heard is that he was extremely hard on Donald and that is what has driven him today. Maybe his father was very harsh on the people around him and his employees and Donald never wanted to be like that?
SnarfraTheEverliving ยท 131 points ยท Posted at 04:22:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is a real estate lawyer in nyc and dealt with trump's dad on occasion (he wasn't Trump's lawyer, so only when his clients did business with Trump). He did say that his dad didn't have much nice to say about him (I remember him saying "his own father" in the conversation a lot). I always assumed this meant Donald Trump was an asshole, but maybe his dad was more of an asshole.
iushciuweiush ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:12:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's ruthless when it comes to his business dealings. I don't doubt business associates and lawyers would have a different perception of him vs the general public in this thread and people who knew him on a personal level. I wish I knew what that meant for the presidency.
SnarfraTheEverliving ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:25:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a little confused. His dad was the one saying bad things about donald. my dad just worked for people who had business with the trumps so he chatted with them during closings and occasional dinners
theguyS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:08:42 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't be surprised if trumps dad was really tough. Would explain a lot about Trump as a person.
fuckmymouthassandcoc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:13:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Trump's father business revolved around making low income housing. The profit margins on that are very low, and he would basically go to the building sites and make sure everything was being done as efficiently as possible, I'm sure he had to be quite stern to his workes to pull that off.
redrivest101 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:46:47 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His father was stern but loving, and Donald was rebellious. Ended up going to military school for discepline, and he describes it as the best thing he's ever done. (Source: interview my dad has recorded, forgot who it's by)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:57:10 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Donald's older brother was a huge disappoint to their dad which drove the older son to alcoholism at the end of his life before he died. Donald was naturally driven to succeed and win from a very early start. He saw what his brother couldn't do and did it and did it better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good question.
HeSpeaksNThirdPerson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:43:05 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A man wishes his father would have been extremely hard on him in exchange for a small gift of $1,000,000.
Instead, a man's father was harsh on him in exchange for nothing.
HandRailSuicide1 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:37:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your dad Holden Caulfield?
AVerySkilledAsian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:02:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I hated that book.
RubinPingk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:16:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're a real prince, Ackley kid.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:59:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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MrBootylove ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:00:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New York Military Academy. And, yeah, from what my dad has told me Donald Trump did have some kind of leadership rank there.
zedsdead29 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:01:03 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit my dad went to NYMA with Trump too. He said he was much different than how he was portrayed during the election
Itzie4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:24 on December 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad went to the same military school as him?
MrBootylove ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:23 on December 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, sir.
GovernaleJP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you get your dad to type a follow up?
MrBootylove ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:44:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was actually interviewed about Donald Trump along with several other of their class mates. here is a link to the article. I don't want to give away his name for obvious reasons, but he's in there. If you have a question I'll ask him next time I talk to him, but like I said I don't think they were much more than friendly acquaintances.
Freiling ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:32:03 on December 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed, prince of darkness.
tafagr ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 22:39:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at a golf club that was eventually bought by Trump and became part of Trump National Golf Club. I quit a few years before he bought it but from talking to old co-workers and members at the club I've gathered that his son did a great job turning the golf club around and that him and his son are both very pleasant to deal with. One person noted that the son was very well grounded and down to earth, opposite what you'd expect from the son of a millionaire.
All the people I've talked to about him are rather wealthy, if that adds any perspective
ChickenTikkaMasalaaa ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:21:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Billionaire
prancingElephant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:43:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which son?
tafagr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:36:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure
wantingerudite ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:43:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not the oldest if I'm assuming correctly from the other comments posted in this thread hahah
marty82 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:56:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don jr is the oldest. the good one.
wantingerudite ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:37:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sorry, second oldest then, the Eric dude
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:20:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The oldest is Donald Jr (brown hair) who by all accounts is a great guy. The second son, Eric (blond hair), is supposedly the douchenozzle of the family.
battle_tits ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 19:14:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Donald, Melania, and Rihanna sitting next to each other in box seats at a Katy Perry concert in 2010. Rihanna was wearing pasties and that's about it. They all smiled a bunch and had a good time. When the show was over Donald walked down the stairs and the spotlight shown on him, and he waved to everyone.
FatFreddysCoat ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 13:41:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Brit I'm imagining Rihanna wearing a curved meat and onion pie with a pastry outer and crust.
battle_tits ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love this.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:15:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that is random! Back when Katy perry was sorta cool
Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 5485 points ยท Posted at 21:41:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to school with his daughter Tiffany so I had a few interactions with the Donald and all were positive. The one anecdote that I'll share is from the school plays. Tiffany was involved in the school theatre program and so was my brother so I was usually helping out as an usher for the plays. Donald attended all the plays that were put on despite living across the country from our school in LA. The thing that was most impressive was how here arrived to the plays, he was always late, just 1 minute late. He'd arrive and take his seat in the rear just after the house lights went down so he didn't draw any attention away from the kids. He'd slip out as quietly as he'd arrived, when he was at the school his focus was 100% on his daughter and not himself. Despite living in a pretty solid liberal area most people from that school admit that's it kind of hard to square our experiences with him up with the media's portrayal of him as a brash, egotistical idiot.
Pirlomaster ยท 1022 points ยท Posted at 00:09:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most impressive one.
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skyguy28 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 03:59:00 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen literally seen this comment 5 times in this thread, so who's telling the truth?
Throwawaymyheart01 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 12:52:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn and it's deleted.
Pirlomaster ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:49:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was this:
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remington_420 ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 07:14:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really wouldn't go that far.... it's just kind of a non-dick thing to do.
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remington_420 ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 07:26:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're dad sounds like an asshole. I'm sorry to hear that. But it certainly doesn't make Donald a "sweet" person for hopping on his private jet, arriving late and then slipping out at the end. (Although surely he clearly would have met up with his daughter at some point). It's just one act of being not disgusting, self centred or arrogant.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 11:34:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Said private jet costs money to operate, both in fuel and manpower. Also, traveling costs time, a very limited asset for a business person. He may be rich, but you don't get rich by throwing money around, nor by wasting time.
By any reasonable metric, he could have simply skipped most of the plays and people would be understanding of it. Getting out of the way to see several high-school plays is, in most people's books, above what you would expect in that situation.
profkinera ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:03:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? That's a very nice thing to do.
The_Punniest ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:09:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy sounds like he should work for CNN.
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remington_420 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 20:15:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't see why people are creaming their jeans because a dad went and saw his daughter's high school plays? Of course he had to fly across the country, but that's like taking a cab for a normal person. It just doesn't seem that remarkable... my dad went to my shows while I was growing up, as did most kids I know. I get it, not everyone's lucky to have that kind of father, but like... it's certainly not the grandest gesture y'all are making it out to be. And yeah, I do hate Trump. He's an evil man. Attending his child's performances doesn't change my opinion of him.
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remington_420 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't support Hillary. Your assumptions about me make you wrong.
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remington_420 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you still pushing the Hillary thing?? I don't like Hillary. I don't support her policies, I don't like her as a person, i hated her campaign, and I don't particularly like the people that support her.
HonoredPeoples ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:01:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The arriving late and slipping out at the end part was for the benefit of the kids. You slip in and out low key to avoid making a spectacle and diverting attention from their play.
Also, it's kind of impressive that he made every one of them. Yeah, he's rich, but I'm positive he had to work around or put off important shit more than once to do that.
You might have had awesome parents that never missed the extracurricular activity you were passionate about, but for a lot of people, that isn't reality.
I consider my dad a top notch guy, love him to death. But he had to miss my stuff sometimes because he was busy with clients. Granted, my dad needed the money more than Trump did, but it still demonstrates that family is a top priority for Trump.
By every account I've ever heard, Hillary Clinton's included, Trump is a good father. Given how common it is for the megarich to just fill the parenting hole with money, it's nice to know that Trump isn't like that.
You don't have to like the guy as a person to respect him for being a good dad.
remington_420 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I clearly see why he slipped in quietly and left without a scene. You don't need to explain common social courtesy to me. I just don't think that proves he was an exceptional father. I also read many accounts that he was a very neglectful father. Even the ghost writer for his book, Tony Schwartz, said he rarely if ever spent time with his kids. But at the end of the day, I don't really care. It doesn't affect me personally and I just don't give a shit whether little Tiffany or Don Jr. ever saw their dad, it has nothing to do with me nor do I even think it reflects on his ability as president. Raising children and running a nation are two different things. I'm very surprised at all the backlash I got for just suggesting that this wasn't an "extremely sweet" thing to do, instead I implied it's what all "good" parents should do or aim to do, that's all. Everyone seems so intent on defending him, when really it is of little or no consequence what my personal opinion of him is.
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remington_420 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:44 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you so upset over this? I don't know you and what my opinion is has little to no affect on you're life, yet you're willing to call an absolute stranger, whom you know nothing about, an asshole. All because I suggested that Trump isn't "extremely sweet"...
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remington_420 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:54 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So?
THE_IRISHMAN_35 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 05:39:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually believe that the guy who will be our president is the guy who gave the acceptance speech. I truly believe he wants everyone to be proud that he is our president when his term ends. I think all of the insane things he said were just said to get free publicity from the media so that he was always talked about.
Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:41:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the same way. I choose to believe that he acted as a businessman, he saw a weakness in the political market (so to speak) and exploited it to it's full potential. I remain cautiously optimistic.
breezeblock87 ยท 229 points ยท Posted at 22:50:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair, i don't think he really helped himself out much in this regard...nonetheless, it is interesting to hear about his public persona conflicting with his personal one.
PM_ME_UR_LULU_PORN ยท 280 points ยท Posted at 23:39:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he didn't double down on the crazy, there was no chance he would have made it past the primaries over someone like Rubio or Cruz. He did it to himself, but he did it for a good reason.
It's refreshing to see people recognize that Trump can be a nice person, and that the media portrayal of him isn't the be all, end all.
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Dalroc ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 23:54:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is literally what he's been saying for 30 years now, ever since the eighties. "You know, I don't want to, I really don't.. But I wouldn't rule it out, because I am real tired of the way this country is headed."
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Whiskeyjack1989 ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 02:25:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so happy this thread exists. I've been trying to show everyone the Donald that I've known and supported for 18 months, but it's been very difficult. One quote that's always stood out to me: "This Country has treated me so well. I had a good life, a great business, and a great family. But I thought, now it was my turn to give back." I have so much respect for Trump.
oldmermen ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 03:10:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread was. Wow.
fikme ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 09:31:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah , it's amazing , only for $1.. the guy doesn't even want the pay cheque .. will take all the stress for free ..
lilman1423 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:49:29 on December 3, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know if you remember what video they linked?
kosif ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 05:32:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have a lot more faith in this if he wasn't surrounding himself with his current team.
serrol_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:13:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, I can't stand some of the wackos that he has on his team, either, but let's see if he has a strategy about it. Maybe it's to get politicians to support him. Maybe he chose the head of the RNC because the house Republicans will actually do what he says to do, instead of everything being a giant fight.
I'm really skeptical of whether the whole, "drain the swamp" thing will work, but he may know more than I do about politics and the people involved in it.
Jaboaflame ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a really nice super-cut that ignores all the blatant racism that he uses to catapult himself to power. It's valuable to understand what the other side is hearing though. I knew mentally why people supported him, but when he said "I just want a job," I felt that connection. I feel like I get it now on a deeper level than I ever have.
Still, this video traces the eerie creation of a demagogue. It's creepy to see his rhetoric change throughout the years. It's as if he's putting on a persona in order to win votes. Like this person he's been for the last 18 months (and will probably be while in office) isn't the real him. It's like he's been gearing up to this for years, cozying up to the right wing, seeing how far he could get with Obama conspiracy theories. That type of calculation makes it all the more terrifying.
But, the real him does not matter, and his grandiose ideas do not matter if he scapegoats people for political gain. This puts me, my family, and my friends in danger. If he wants to make America great again, and his America doesn't include us, or the greatness is at our expense, then I really don't care to hear the plan. To me, these actions are the devious equivalent of what he ridicules Republican leaders of doing. Promising things that have no relation to the people. Worse, he will enact his plan by attacking us.
Dalroc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 08:17:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And do you have any examples of this "blatant racism"?
Jaboaflame ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 08:36:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? I refuse to waste my time attempting to explain what racism is and how Trump uses it to another person. If you can't see it by now, I doubt that you ever will because you are being willfully ignorant. No. This is frustrating because Trump supporters always come with the same question. "How is Trump racist?" despite demonstrable instances of racism.
Plus, this rhetorical retort, and I say rhetorical because it's not really a question Trump supporters generally want an answer to, glosses over the rest of my concerns, which include that he scapegoats people. I will not engage this insipid, derailing, non-argument any longer.
Dalroc ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 09:08:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know what racism is, I've seen it claimed repeatedly that Trump is a racist, but I have yet to see any proof. All I ever see is people like you shouting about it, without anything to back up your claims.
I DO WANT an answer, PLEASE give me some examples.
KremlinGremlin82 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:39:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You won't see any examples because there are none. But if you want to see Hilary's racism, just google all the shit she's said. People are too dumb to see that she is the evil one.
KremlinGremlin82 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 10:38:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sure have plenty of time sitting on reddit.
[deleted] ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 00:24:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. He's taken a huge bullet to his brand and his reputation for the chance to run the country. He'll do what he thinks needs to be done now - which hopefully turns out to be good. I don't think all his policies will be great, but I do think he has good intentions.
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RunningUpThtHill ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:14:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivanka advertised on that interview so its debatable.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:28:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the whole bracelet email thing was a pretty bad move.
kippy3267 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 02:14:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think hes smart enough to pull it all off. Especially with a senate and house majority backing him
hicow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:52:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very interested in how the mid-terms go in 2018. Fairly or not, I'd imagine things will go poorly for the Republicans if the country isn't "fixed" by then.
Monochronos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source on that quote for the curios about hearing more?
Dalroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was paraphrasing, but this is the interview I was talking about.
Apexk9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:53:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can still potentially have been his plan all along to run and he was playing a long con.
We shouldn't deal in certainties of peoples intentions.
PM_ME_UR_LULU_PORN ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 23:52:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Shit, I'm a die hard liberal (I hate using that word because it's been poisoned recently) who voted for Trump because I'm happy to deal with 4 years of a right wing government if it means both parties get to take that time to look at themselves, realize how badly they've fucked up to get to this point, and rebuild. If I'm going to live in this country for the next 50-60 years of my life, I'd rather get the growing pains out of the way in my mid 20s.
I voted for delayed progress in the American political system, not for a candidate or a set of beliefs.
moarbutterplease ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:54:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is this might not be just a 4 year thing as we have supreme court justice appointments :/
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:27:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only empty seat is scalia, who was the most conservative anyway.
katbebe ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:34:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As of now, yes. Kennedy, Breyer, and Ginsburg are expected to retire very soon though.
N0ahface ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 01:38:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ginsburg hates him though, and even though she's in her 80s, I have no doubt that she will live through the next four years out of pure spite. She's pretty strong too, apparently she does 20 pushups every day.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:53:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have no plans to retire, and they're all healthy.
katbebe ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:38:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ginsburg has a history of colon and pancreatic cancer, and she was hospitalized for a blocked artery two years ago. I figure she and Bryer will try to stick it out during Trump's presidency though, but all three are either nearing or past the average retirement age for a justice.
moarbutterplease ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True but it seems that some landmark cases didn't get a "ruling" because of his death. They will lean conservative. i.e. Friedrichs v. CTA where unions will potentially lose out on fair share fees.
PM_ME_UR_LULU_PORN ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:56:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, the idea of a conservative leaning Court is the worrisome part of this term for me.
KingMinish ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:17:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Focus on persuading conservatives to agree with you and you won't have to worry about conservative judges doing things that are "bad."
Luckily, Trump is probably going to kill off the anti-LGBT crowd in the republican party. I think there's a recognition among conservative Christians (at least among my community) that politics are a lost cause as far as advancing a Christian agenda. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, etc.
The big worries like making abortion or gay marriage illegal aren't going to go through.
breezeblock87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's one hell of a risk.. hope it works out....
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BLjG ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:32:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How will you suffer immeasurably? Honest question. Be specific.
brianboiler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:14 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll suffer by having to spend all day on reddit and facebook writing about how they're suffering.
ifistbadgers ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 23:46:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's literally on record 30 years ago saying people need to do what he literally just got an electoral mandate to do.
Some people put up, so other people should shut up.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:53:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
umm, sorry, he won but he did not receive a mandate.
Blobbybluebland ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:57:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Electoral college wise, he won a landslide. Since that's the goal of running a campaign...
If the goal was the popular vote, people would run entirely different campaigns.
hicow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:58:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you'd think "a mandate" would involve winning over (some might say well over) 50% of the popular vote. Yes, he beat ass with the electoral college because he played the game way more intelligently than Clinton...but just winning the college doesn't hand out a mandate.
BLjG ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:31:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you think that? The system doesn't care how many people voted for a candidate. That is virtually irrelevant.
hicow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:55 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being given 'a mandate' is kind of an ephemeral concept anyway in an election. It'd be hard to argue Reagan didn't get a mandate in '84, when he crushed Mondale, beating him by 18%. No one was arguing Obama got a mandate in 2012 - he crushed the electoral college vote, but he only beat Romney by less than 4%. Given that Trump and Clinton are less than 1% apart, hard to argue that Trump has a mandate (especially given that turnout has been falling forever.)
On the other hand, it doesn't make a difference in how the president acts either way. If he had won 60%+, they'd talk about how he has a mandate. He didn't, so they'll talk about how how it doesn't matter that he doesn't. Either way, he'll work to enact whatever he wants.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 01:03:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
again, he won, absolutely no mandate, and he's clearly humiliated he lost the majority vote, which he should be.
FluddyWaters ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:17:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me to be humiliated next time I win the electoral college for POTUS...really? I usually stay out of the conversation, but that's just stupid.
literaphile ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:40:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lost the popular vote? They were basically equal to a rounding error. It's really reaching to call the 0.2% margin Clinton had a "win".
hicow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:56:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Christ, he won the election, but lost the popular vote. Not the end of the world to admit he didn't win the popular vote.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:52:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a stone cold Hillary supporter but I also understand electoral systems. Hillary's popular vote victory is 100% meaningless. Voter turnouts, third party votes, and both candidates' campaigns would all have been completely different if it was a popular vote. The popular vote might be a fun statistic but it's utterly meaningless as an indicator of who would win an actual election based on popular vote.
literaphile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fine (I'm not a Trump suppporter or even an American, by the way), but the vote counts were essentially equal.
the_big_cheef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:04 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama: if if if if if you chew soap, okie dokie!
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oldmermen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:13:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please make this into a meme.
PickleEater5000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Here is another video of one of trumps speeches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2s9AV910NY One part that really got to me was the stuff he says at around the 4:45 mark. "I didn't need to do this folks believe me. I built a great company, and I had a wonderful life. I could have enjoyed the fruits and benefits of years of successful business deals and businesses Instead of going through this absolute horror show of lies, deceptions, and malicious attacks against me and my family. I'm doing this because this country has given me so much and I feel, so strongly, that its my turn to give back to my country." Really struck home with me about how hard it probably is to have to do deal with so much shit being thrown your way.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:19:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to say that what he is on television is what he is in real life, but it's not the media's portrayal of him - it's his own. He decided to go out and make himself out to be the guy you see on TV. The media has spun it, yes, but it doesn't change much just from looking at the raw footage.
StormieDarkLord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you actually think that's true? It did work for Miley Cyrus, so I can kind of see it..
Staatssicherheit_DDR ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:21:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not at all. The media played a lot of people so well that even despite what happened, they still want to believe.
redditonlyonce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media played everyone. That doesn't change any of the words he said.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a NYT opinion piece about how he calle the writer a dog (literally) in a letter.
Next day when they met, Trump just joked around with her for 15 minutes as if nothing had happened
He eitherbhas a very poor memory, or maybe he just forgets to log out of his alt...in real life
fwubglubbel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:37:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't the media's portrayal. It was his own.
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Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:56:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, everyone on my fb has been sharing that story for the past week. I was class of 12 with Tiffany.
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Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-undocumented-donald-trump-tiffany-20161108-story.html
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Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:57:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, the article doesn't really say much. The gist is, "you seemed nice but now I fucking hate you". As for her experience at Viewpoint, my memory isn't great. Do I remember anyone getting made fun of for being on scholarship? No but that doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Viewpoint was a weird fucking school, dude. I went to school there from third grade through graduation and I thought I was growing up middle class. It wasn't until I got to college that I realized that tens of millions wasn't middle class. So, in fairness, I can imagine it being an incredibly intimidating environment for someone who didn't come from means.
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Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:35:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know and I didn't know that she was undocumented or on scholarship until the article came out. Viewpoint was K-12 so people kind of came in at different times along the way. She came in during middle school which might give some insight into how she got a scholarship because for elite college preps in LA there's a test called the ISEE. It's basically an SAT type test used for middle school admissions. It might be a thing elsewhere but I remember taking it back in the day when I considered changing schools in LA (my dad got a different job so the drive to Viewpoint got a bit long). I imagine it was probably her ISEE score that got her into Viewpoint in the first place because the schools in LA are fiercely competitive at the High School level when it comes to National Merit Scholars and Ivy/Stanford admissions numbers. Knowing Viewpoint, and I know that cesspool, they'd have admitted a serial killer if they thought there was a chance they could become a Merit Scholar. Viewpoint is a toxic environment at times that only cares about winning, which ironically, is why the Sheen kids left.
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Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but if it was a home game I was probably there.
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Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-undocumented-donald-trump-tiffany-20161108-story.html
maninbonita ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:36:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a very family oriented person. Man I wish I had a dad like that.
grumpyhipster ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:05:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to hear he went to see Tiffany once in a while.
Fatjedi007 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:54:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a nice story, but I'm honestly starting to get suspicious of this thread. It is definitely possible that Trump 'played a character' during the campaign, and he is actually a very different person.
But there was no media conspiracy to portray him a certain way. A person who read his twitter and only watched uncut video of him with no commentary would come to the conclusion that he was brash, ignorant, rude, immature, egotistical etc.
So- maybe the character he played worked and it got him elected, but I'm getting tired of seeing people act like it is the media's fault for making him look like an asshole during the campaign. His strategy was to be the biggest asshole on stage, and it worked.
Andromedium ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:27:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How did tiffany act? Interested to know how kids of billionaires are
Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:38:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She wasn't that different than anyone else at the school, in fact, she seemed pretty normal and down to earth. However, since I've left the Viewpoint echo chamber and realized that none of us had normal childhoods I often wonder if my impression of normal was a bit off. All I can say for certain is that she was popular but not a "mean girl".
HaveaBagel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:08:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for posting this. If I could go back I still wouldn't vote for the man in a heartbeat, but now that he's president I can at least hold on the the hope that he's at least a decent person.
Kyle700 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:38:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Media's portrayal? That's how he acted. He may have been nice off camera but it's not like the media somehow spun an untrue story...
CopperMTNkid ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:04:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the media would never spin baseless bullshit for viewers/clicks.
Kyle700 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that necessarily, but its not as if they needed to do that when covering donald trump. He was vile and hateful very frequently
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was Tiffany like?
Colinpr007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You went to school with Tiffany?? I've always wanted to meet her. Any chance you still keep in contact w her?
Bakanogami ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:36:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps there's also a story out there about how went to his son's college dorm and punched him when he heard about said son attending a baseball game wearing a baseball jersey instead of a suit.
Slaro1989 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:49:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is like a friend in the bar, over a beer saying stupid things, but actually a pretty descent guy.
The_Punniest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG I'm so jealous of you. I have the biggest crush on Tiffany ๐ป๐ป๐ป
MaddenMan73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He seems to really love his children and that you could tell during the conventions wasn't a show at all when they spoke about him.
blueSky_Runner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:52:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the nicest story I've read in this thread but the media can't portray you to be a brash, egotiscal idiot if you don't say and do brash, egotistical things. They're obviously multiple sides to his personality and that's one of them.
maanu123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah after last year I wouldn't say that's true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so the media shouldn't be quoting him, that's too biased for you?
maanu123 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:13:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the usage of out of context quotes creates this general lack of knowledge. Trump didn't call "all mexicans rapists", he said that some of the ones who cross the border illegally are rapists and criminals.
JshWright ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:54:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah... that crooked media... playing actual clips of Donald Trump saying things he actually said...
inhuman44 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 00:22:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what NBC reported yesterday:
As Trump Leaves Press Behind for Steak Dinner, Incoming Admin Already Showing Lack of Transparency.
He took his family out for dinner with out telling the press. They accused him of not being transparent. It's like something from The Onion.
alamohero ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:39:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes him seem humble and more like an ordinary concerned citizen than a politician, which, I guess, is the way government was supposed to be
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what does that have to do with playing actual clips of things Donald Trump actually said? It's a story because over 300 million people have the right to know where 1 of the three branches of government are. Sorry, but if he did not want the responsibility of being a branch of government he shouldn't have run.
Goose31 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:15:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just reeks of self-importance of the press.
One reporter said "we need to know where he is!" The Secret Service knows. The man just wanted to grab a bite before he's president. And yet they claim it's threatening the fabric of the republic that he got a steak without telling them.
brianboiler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:14:03 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should he let us know when he goes potty too?
Taylor814 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:05:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the other day, the headlines read "Trump plans to deport 2-to-3 million immigrants immediately," completely leaving out that he was talking about illegal immigrant criminals.
Same goes for the headlines out there today: "Trump preparing to implement Muslim registry." Completely leaving out the fact that this proposal is to add a column to the pre-existing registry of IMMIGRANTS who are here in the US for them to add their religious affiliation, if any.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no one left out that part, but they did point out that there is zero evidence that 2-3 million criminal immigrants even exist.
LazyDad ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:33:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well technically speaking, they're all criminals aren't they?
SamuelNormanSeaborn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also used to be a democrat until about 2012. He has certainly changed as a person.
curias00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Completely false
SamuelNormanSeaborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so? Would you like quotes on some of his stated positions prior to 2012? Lets say 2008 then. Would you like his quotes before that? His stated policy positions? Have you read them?
curias00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:59:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He considered a 3rd party run back in 2000. Also, it sure seems like you're implying that only Dems can be nice people. Turn your TV on to the Soros funded "protests". Unless I misunderstood. Did I?
OTL_OTL_OTL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could be dementia. Dementia changes a person.
johnwayne1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one is a bit too much for me.
sirbikesalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to Hill?
Ice_Ice_Kimi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Viewpoint
sirbikesalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My bad wrong kid, Donald went to hill
B0ssc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With just a little help from himself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bit of a stretch. It's not the media's portrayal of him, but his public portrayal of himself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Media's portrayal"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't blame him. If I were rich and famous, I would enter late and quietly leave too.
[deleted] ยท 1115 points ยท Posted at 21:55:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad knew Trump back in the day. They were business friends. He only has praise for the Donald, had so much respect for him.
They went to an Army/Navy game in the 90s and he was walking with the Donald, and a bunch of people ran over to Don asking for his autograph on their footballs. Well, the Donald told them that if they wanted his autograph, they needed my Dads autograph as well.
so somehwere out there are a bunch of footballs with the donalds signature next to papas...
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 04:52:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
who is your daddy and what does he do?
balrogwarrior ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:32:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Detective John Kimble.
Hotguy657 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:12:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a cop, you idiot!
balrogwarrior ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:19:46 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a headache.
lotharmat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:14:58 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a tumo(u)r!
balrogwarrior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:45 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not, not at all!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:15 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
negative, i am a meat popsicle
LordBrook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:38 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I need that giggle!
Capeari ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:29:35 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our mom says our dad is a real sex machine
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:59 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, I wish I could gild this.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:52 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why this my 3 month old comment suddenly getting attention today?
D3nniz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:36:48 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a new thread about people's experiences with Trump where this one is mentioned.
Block_Helen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:44 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you have a link? Tia, trying to keep up...
Edit: never mind, found it, thanks! https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5vhmt1/people_who_have_worked_for_a_trump_company_what/
Pure_Michigan_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:21 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We want you to know that we love you and all the great things you do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:20 on February 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be grateful or I'm taking my upvote back. ;)
acosmicbreath ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:10:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Underrated comment
BassVity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:03 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Al Gore.?
ImpDoomlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get your ass to mars
aymoncaff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:25:19 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a tumor!!!
justSFWthings ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 00:43:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha nice. This is probably my favorite story in this thread, which is saying something as there are a lot of awesome stories going on here.
Thanks for sharing. :)
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:48:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you know anyone with one of those footballs i will pay top dollar!
[deleted] ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 22:31:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
aww that's sweet
Throwawaymyheart01 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:59:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is pretty endearing. I don't know what to believe anymore.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's so cool
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:02:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is incredibly nice.
maestro89 ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 23:53:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I worked for the man who owned 4 of NYC's largest nightclubs in the 90's. Trump would drop in all the time all around NYC in that time period. Always well dressed, always polite never loud and out of control. He would be perched somewhere and just scoping out the crowd (Models). We noticed each other because he and I were the only people wearing suit and tie.
ZackMorris78 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:45:53 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Gaiten? Are you Steve Lewis?
maestro89 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:49:48 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes PG and not Steve but he was there at the same time
ZackMorris78 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:52:57 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small world...I miss Paladium back in the day. Good times.
LavenderSmuggler ยท 1835 points ยท Posted at 20:12:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got crazy good seats to a Lady Gaga concert. I was next to him and Melania. They left early.
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 936 points ยท Posted at 22:35:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They knew about the spirit cooking
coolkid1717 ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 00:20:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spirit cooking?
Caliginosity ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 00:45:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Spirit cooking was found in the podesta emails. Marina Abramovic who is also friends with Lady gaga and had outtings together had invited John podesta to one of their dinners for spirit cooking. Marina is a very provacative artist (wayyy more than Lady Gaga, but both seem to participate in it), but also did an AMA on here on reddit saying that in private it's not art. That ended up opening up the rabbit's hole into a some deep dark territories to what we all once thought of as conspiracy theories, may not be theories much any more (such as worship of Moloch, the Illuminati, other.. dark things etc)
odaeyss ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 01:16:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marina Abramovic is a fucking loon and what she calls art is just fucking bad and, worse, boring.
Clantron ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 01:37:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In art school I had to take a performance art class and I got so sick of watching her work. Like yeah, I see the meaning and I may be interested in it initially, but this shit gets old real quick. I wouldn't call her a loon, just seems like most other people who call themselves a performance artist
Avatarius87 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:20:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Painting with semen blood and breastmilk isnt loony?
volabimus ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:41:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's practically a cliche at this point.
HonoredPeoples ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:17:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like one step above poop swastikas on the scale of played out.
WallOfSleep56 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:02:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not art that's FART
redpandaeater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:01 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly is semen blood?
Avatarius87 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:09:27 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask Lady Gaga
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:46 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
she is a disgusting piece of trash abandoned by her mother's love and she tries to find meaning by doing all these stupid, pointless performance art pieces to feel human. her nose pisses me off, too.
Crocoduck_The_Great ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:26:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And with all that you still didn't explain what Spirit Cooking was (I'm on a work PC and hesitant to Google anything I don't know the meaning of).
Caliginosity ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:35:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spirit Cooking is a cult ritual involving spreading blood, semen, breast milk, etc. There are different "recipes" for different things. It appears to be very much like black magic. There is a video on youtube of Marina "performing" this spirit cooking "art". She throws blood onto the walls and a child doll. Then with blood paints on the walls about cutting yourself and eating the pain, etc.
wigwam2323 ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 00:39:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy you're in for a treat.
Google it. It's a cult practice involving the ingestion of a mixture of menstral blood, semen, urine, and breast milk. Also perhaps connections to pedophilia, as well as other forms of cannibalism.
The internet has connected a bunch of dots through podestas emails, known associates, donation records, news stories, etc...
This shit gets really weird let me warn you.
Gorillaz_Inc ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 00:44:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Visit /r/pizzagate if you really want to go down a scary rabbit hole.
odaeyss ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 01:18:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh neat a subreddit dedicated to delicious food! or, maybe, it's political, and about that time The Don was seen eating a slice of pizza with a knife and fork!"
click
... nonononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono
LoveWhoarZoar ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 01:02:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sigh i hate humanity
greatGoD67 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:51:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only hate the part that dismisses it without a thought
LoveWhoarZoar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:02:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow u got me m8
mephistophelessoul ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:19:43 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BANNED
Gorillaz_Inc ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:09:41 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rabbit hole was a bit too scary for Reddit Admins.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:12 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was banned where is the screenshot of it?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:07:54 on November 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:46:06 on November 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're my hero
Groshub ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:38:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me am I actually seeing this upvoted on a default?
Ysmildr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:50:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hit r/all several times in the past couple weeks.
Znees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a sub or a link that condenses all this crazy into a cheat sheet for me? I am curious but, don't care enough to have 30 tabs open for no reason.
tiglionabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:40 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try Snopes
Znees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:25 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. That's really not that weird for Post-modern performance art.
StallionDuck6661 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 00:45:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks revealed Lady Gaga, along with many other Hollywood celebs and politicians (John Podesta and his brother, possibly Hillary Clinton) attend these things called Spirit Cookings which involves a lot of Satanic ritual type stuff. These rituals or whatever involve blood, breast milk and semen. They are hosted buy some lady that is involved with Hillary and other campaign members. There's pictures and wiki leaks emails for proof. Really weird shit, kinda like Scientology but Satanic
analogWeapon ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is almost completely false.
Wikileaks uncovered an email from artist Marina Abramovic to Podesta's brother (Tony) asking if he would be attending a planned supper she was hosting. She called it "Spirit Cooking" because that was name of her art project and the supper was for people who had donated to her kickstarter. Tony forwarded this email to his brother John, and John never Replied. Clinton was not involved in the discussion in any way.
So you're taking the fact that an artist sent an unanswered email to John Podesta's brother one time and turning it into "John Podesta and possibly Hillary Clinton [commonly] attend events that involve satanic rituals".
scu81321 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 04:44:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are pictures of Lady Gaga eating off of a person with fake blood.
TooManyMeds ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 13:12:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The woman wore a dress made of meat. I hardly think that is the weirdest thing she's done.
swolemedic ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:56:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fake blood? gasp
OliverQueer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:23 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a naked girl covered in chocolate. I don't you could've resisted either.
woshuma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:15 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may have been chocolate, but it was no place to bring a child
https://i.sli.mg/u1E0jz.jpg
By the way, I think the girl was a mannequin. Not sure though. Still, weird place for a child.
StallionDuck6661 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:13:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did not look too deeply into it all, I just know that possibly Podesta and Lady Gaga, who campaigned for her and played shows at rallies, attends these things. There's pictures of Lady Gaga and Jay Z with Marina Abramovic, both campaigned for Hillary.
analogWeapon ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:19:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, neither did I. I've been down a bit of a rabbit hole since I posted. Weird shit out there...
Atraidis ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 02:24:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.... People shouldn't be so assertive without doing enough research. Glad you ended up spending time seeing for yourself though.
analogWeapon ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:51:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's rough because, as usual, the truth probably lies somewhere in between insane and boring. But you have to sift through it all.
Atraidis ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 06:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Unlikely that Podesta and Clinton are full blown satanists, but I could see them going along with some freaky shit just to rub shoulders. Or who knows, maybe they actually are. Have read some shit about pagan temples on the Epstein pedo island that Hillary supposedly also went to with Bill, but haven't looked into that one yet.
firefistzoro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:20:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
have you looked into the Bohemian Grove?
failtrocity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the one John Ronson wrote about?
lighteningbug98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:46 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me you got to pizza gate? That stuff gets pretty bad quickly.
analogWeapon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:04 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's where I ended up. :|
lighteningbug98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:43 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so messed up. Did you see the video posted from outside comet? Where you can hear a child crying for help. That was from 7 years ago! This whole thing is unsettling. Cross that with the same people who are linked to spirit cooking and satanic rituals. Who also have ties to know pedos/child traffickers. It's just so much.
analogWeapon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:27 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That I didn't see.
phillypro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:32:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
stupid people typically never look deeply into anything lol
thats basically the biggest problem humanity faces
congratulations....you played yourself
StallionDuck6661 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:38:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you defending the Spirit Cookings though? Just the fact that Hillary or anyone in her campaign attended these things should be troubling
phillypro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:13:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dude...im not religious
furthermore i think someone that believes in either
spirits/ heaven/ a zombie jew in the sky or a guy with horns and a pitchfork
is a complete and total fucking idiot
so no....you can say im not that concerned lol
StallionDuck6661 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:20 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I am an atheist as well, it's still fucking weird to be involved with that shit though
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babobudd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:48:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's one source.
akimbocorndogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, well, never mind then.
ComesWithTheFall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:55 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snopes is untrustworthy. They're up there with politifact. It's r/politics tier shilling. Go to r/pizzagate to learn about this. They are actively uncovering a pedophile ring in Washington DC right now.
WallOfSleep56 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just because they don't think "Spirit cooking" is a "satanic ritual".
SocialistNewZealand ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:01:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more concerned about a candidates Neoliberalism than them believing in strange rituals. Who cares about a candidates beliefs.
SocialistNewZealand ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more concerned about a candidates Neoliberalism than them believing in strange rituals. Who cares about a candidates beliefs.
akimbocorndogs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:04:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, it doesn't affect my opinion on their policies, it's just interesting to read about.
lighteningbug98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:17 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is way past strange beliefs. There is money trails between this "Artist" and Clinton. This "artist" had said it's art when it's in public. It's different when performed privately. Her art includes seman, blood and breast milk. Also carving pentagrams into her stomach. Hers a link to her performing her "art" https://youtu.be/g9ys-Lfu4Sc
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
alt-right conspiracy theory
Enei_Etha ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:37:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's amusing that I found you somewhere else. Play Eve Online.
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won a couple years ago actually
Enei_Etha ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:03:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make wormholes great again.
Hi_mom1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is this whole spirit cooking thing?
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some weird cult shit that many of Clintons staff are into - it involves blood, breast milk, and semen, and it's very wacko
Hi_mom1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:12:24 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do we know this?
That seems pretty fucked up
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:38 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks emails, plus the "author" is very popular amongst celebrities, and her "work" is no secret. She even said herself (marina abramovic) in a reddit ama no less, that if the rituals are done in private, they are spiritual and not art.
Hi_mom1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only found one email -- it was an invitation to Podesta.
Anything actually linked to Hillary?
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:52 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's her campaign manager, and these are the people she surrounds herself with. I believe there were some donations too, but I don't remember
Hi_mom1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:00 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was an invitation, right? To a dinner by some artsy lady in NYC?
I'm happy my boss doesn't give a shit who I hang out with at night.
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:20 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i sure don't
ITS_JUST_A_WANK_BRO ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:37:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao. Just when I thought I was safe.
JasonsBoredAgain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:08 on February 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was "pizza" night...
Ukulehey ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:12:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, Trump never struck me as a Gaga fan...
crazyjeffy ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 23:45:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he wasnt
Cum_on_doorknob ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:51:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's his thing, I saw him at the 2012 rangers devils eastern conference final game, he would always leave early.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 05:58:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably a good way to avoid crowds and traffic.
krazsen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't just leave a Devils-Rangers playoff game early
Kbg4213711 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:47 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Dad
DonNHillary4-20-2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:16 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet he got dressed and went to a Gaga show.
BlankPages ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:38:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a Tay fan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqmmEso_2sI
cogsandspigots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he was before, he certainly isn't now.
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EXM15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What show was it?
LavenderSmuggler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:18:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Radio City Music Hall around Jan 2010
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He left early for a Cher concert as well.
WallOfSleep56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"This music sucks, they didn't play any Skynyrd"
MikeBaker31 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:26:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd leave a lady gaga concert early too ... Like before it started
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What were they like?
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HamburgerMachineGun ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard her album with Tony Bennett? If they sang together live id be all over those tickets
Panzis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do..
LavenderSmuggler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoyed the concert
MrGritty17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:04 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That really doesn't tell us a god damn thing.
colinxmac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:48 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stand behind that decision.
In-China ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:48 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What song did they leave during?
eatgrasslikegoat ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that, I can't believe they left.
CaitlinSarah87 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's why she was protesting him the other day.
Magister_Ingenia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:14:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but why
LavenderSmuggler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was no general admission
agonist5 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Welp, better get going, people to see, speeches to steal, pussies to grab. Let's go"
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jdog1408 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, you get areas where local governments create "safe-spots"(Which is 100% illegal) and just decide, hey let's not enforce this law. Instead of trying to get a more reasonable solution, or actually bringing you concerns to higher authority.
It's happening in Minnesota too where the Minneapolis Police Chief has told her officers to not enforce these laws.
Dyeredit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently the safe spots are located near the polling stations and it was possible that illegals were being allowed to vote during this election.
jdog1408 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting...
Dyeredit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pennsylvania and Wyoming apparently had ~100% voter turnout. Pen in particular flipped blue and red at least 5 times... at 99% turnout. I was watching it live through google, fox and guardian.
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Deplorable_Basket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:11:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People being called racist and a whole host of other -isms for holding this completely reasonable belief is one of the reasons many people gave a big FU to the democrats.
roeravid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's that detached?! I don't understand. What is happening
brianboiler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:43 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? He's not against immigrants. His plan has been to deport criminal illegal immigrants from the very start. Also, he wants to stop immigration from terrorist producing countries (much like obama did with Iraq, carter with Iran...) and then do vetting of each person who wants to come here.
He has said he wants immigration at historical levels.
If you've heard different it's been from a very slanted media who is now saying he's "flip flopped" when in actuality it's been the media who has been misleading the whole time.
edit - criminal illegal immigrants means illegal immigrants who commit additional crimes. Not all who are here now and not causing problems.
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__BUILDTHEWALL__ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody thinks this is funny
mysleepnumberis420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:05:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty funny.
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Fun Fact: Trump's Mother and My Great Grandmother are both from the same island off the coast of Scotland. Wikipedia says that the current population of the island is only 18,000 people so there is a chance that i may be a distant relative of Trump.
edit: apparently the village Trump's mother came from and the village my Grandmother came from are only 4 miles apart. Wow, I might actually be related to him.
PhotonInABox ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:12:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a well populated island by Scottish standards.
That's a long distance by Scottish standard.
In short, it's very unlikely that you're related to him.
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major_grooves ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:54:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's spelt MacLeod. The "Mc" means "son of" so it's "Son of Leod", Leod being a old Norse name reflecting the Vikings in the Western Isles. It just sounds like McLoud.
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Or...im on mobile.
major_grooves ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:22:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry - it's a pet hate of mine. I can't forgive "Kevin McCloud" of Grand Designs who actually changed his name from Mcleod to make it easier.
major_grooves ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fact I was so annoyed about that I wrote a blog post about it 8 years ago! http://www.majorgrooves.co.uk/2008/08/kevin-mccloud.html
Work_McGurk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it would only be acceptable if you changed your first name as well (to Fox)
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greggerypeccary ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:11:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is actually descended from one of the oldest clans in Scotland, and they have a very interesting history if you're into chasing rabbit holes: https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/09/10/they-are-lying-about-donald-druid-drumpf-trump-knights-templar-freemasons-the-20-shot-peppa-pig-manchurian-candidate/
mnwinterite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck did you send me?
LearndAstronomer28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mind control black assassins. Seems pretty self-explanatory.
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bhu87ygv ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:44:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you posted this. It's a neat little story and well-told.
underdestruction ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:18:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's saying deleted now, what was the gist of the story?
HughJBawles ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:59:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP's father stopped in a Trump building and a Scottish lady heard his Scottish accent and invited him to sit next to her for a chat. She was waiting for her son in the lobby who was always late. A little while later, Trump comes out of the elevator and the Scottish lady introduces her son Trump to OP's father. Trump shakes his hand and says, "Nice to meet you." And takes his mother out to wherever they were going.
I slaughtered to story I am sure, but I am pretty sure that was the gist of it.
darkultima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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iushciuweiush ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I just saw a youtube interview of a former butler of his who claimed he was obsessed with being on time and got really angry if anyone was late.
emu30 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typical Scottish dads.
duckdelicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He made his mama wait in the lobby?
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CNN Breaking News: Trump left his mama wait in the lobby. Is this the beginning of the end of Trumps campaign?
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wigwam2323 ยท 323 points ยท Posted at 00:32:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we see a pic of the water?
Censorxx ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 08:44:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And OP was never seen again after this question.
varothen ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:50:42 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here, just made an edit to the parent comment. Too many to respond too. I've asked my parents to look through some boxes as I see them on Sunday. If they can't find it, then Ill look myself when I head there in a few weeks. But it's around and it looks like http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2386806.1444134131!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/42-75203435.jpg
Censorxx ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:06:05 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You punched me in the right face.
wigwam2323 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:26:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of OPs story, I doubt that most of these stories are made up. I haven't heard of someone with a negative personal experience with Donald Trump, even on mainstream news. However, I've heard lots of things about Clinton being a vile woman. According to a reporter on twitter, a secret service source told him that a few nights after her loss, she got drunk and started screaming at Podesta and Abedin I believe, and had to be restrained because she was getting violent...
Again, not sure what's true anymore but these stories are pretty damn specific.
DeputyDomeshot ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:06:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Little late to the party but I have a friend who used to bartend in Chappaqua, NY where the Clintons live.
She used to tell me about how the secret service guys would get (really) drunk occasionally and talk wrecklessly about Clintons.
Recurring stories include Hillary's vicious temper, poor treatment of staff and secret service and of course, the infamous lesbianism. They went so far as to say that they used to "run girls" for both Clintons and their marriage was a complete sham, a political arrangement. Also apparently Bill is pretty chill and easygoing but I don't think that's as much as a rumor.
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:05:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nasty woman, nothing but evil in her heart, etc. etc.
ZeQueenZ ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 04:06:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah OP. let's see it please
IAmBoredAtWork123 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 06:46:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a picture of your hair
TickleTheGeneral ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 07:17:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it better still be tusseled!
axelG97 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 11:05:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can test a sample to check if Trump's dna is on there
TheTrackPadUser ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:40:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tests or it didn't happen
HonoredPeoples ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:29:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No need. If it was truly tussled by the Don, it would easily still be tussled 12 years later.
uhoh_somersaultjump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then we can clone him and have 2 presidents!
timbenj77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a disaster. A total disaster.
nothingtodoatwork_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:47 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and can we each have a sample of your hair?
infamemob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:02 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hwhaaa
dalnorflying ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 23:36:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tousled
spacepilot_3000 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:29:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he was trying to fight the kid's hair. That motherfucker hates hair.
orthag ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:45:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's born of jealousy.
mawdrynn ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:03:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mar-a-Lago - sea to lake.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:30:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That'll be worth a fortune in a couple decades.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:16:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well crap, I drank tons of these when I used to play poker at the Taj in AC.
Cooldude638 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:41:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you show us a picture of your water?
GunReview ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:32:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pics of the Trump water or it didn't happen.
flaxamax ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CNN breaking news: Donald Trump messed up kid's hair. Is he literally Hitler?!
jtlannister ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:30:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"tousled", you want
varothen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was looking for! Thank you.
Bogushizzall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or "mussed"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Maralago was his residence
metalhead9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is until he turned it into a private club.
Booty_Is_Life_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:30:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you take a picture of it?
Groudon466 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:43:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C'mon, dig up that water OP.
farrise ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:27:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to sound skeptical but if you could show us a picture of the water bottle that would be great
2muchcontext ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 03:32:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why be skeptical that he has a trump branded water bottle? anyone who stays at a trump hotel can get an unlimited supply of that, they're not exactly a collectors item.
iushciuweiush ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:06:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are people in here claiming all these stories of him being nice are fake because he's clearly Satan.
TheHonorableThing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:51 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tousled.
PepeIsAMemeYouDip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's "tousled," and that's all I have to say.
TRUMP_IS_STUPID ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He could have been dating you in 6 years.
companionk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been trying to tell people for years that Trump used to have Trump brand water and nobody believes me. They used to have these huge displays at the gas station
Crocoduck_The_Great ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind Me! 4 days
smokeeater04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:58 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind Me! 4 days
TheDwarvenGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:38 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/pS8ZsdE
Now you just need to rustle Jimmy Fallon's hair and it will be full circle.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:21 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you show us a pic of the water?!
cfraizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:40 on December 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"tussle" means "to struggle roughly
"tousle" means "to rumple, e.g., hair"
FairyOfTheStars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:02 on December 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didya find the water yet?! :D
scy1192 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:09 on January 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
following up on that water bottle; any luck?
ragamuphin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:02 on January 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ever find that bottle?
dblink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:26 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey it's been 3 months, any update on finding the water bottle?
itsjustchad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:02 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any luck finding the water?
rodmandirect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:37 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been three months - did you find that water bottle yet?
skaNerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:16 on March 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
where's the picture of Trump water??!?! it's been awhile you shithead get wit it
RockLobsterKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, I wouldn't drink that stuff either.
NotObsoleteIfIUseIt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:50:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just shitty generic water with Trump on the label
GovernaleJP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you keep the water and not just drink it? Because some rich guy gave it to you?
2muchcontext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:16 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not exactly a bad reason...
PEEDUR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:16:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rustled?
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:49:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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surbian ยท 1033 points ยท Posted at 01:24:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to high school in NY( Brooklyn Tech) and I had a job as a busboy at 4 seasons. Trump was going there quite a bit and actually said hi to me whenever he saw me. The Part that impressed me was that he remembered my name. He remembered the name of a busboy he saw maybe twice a month. I think he is alot smarter than people think.
spsprd ยท 343 points ยท Posted at 11:06:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a salesperson skill. My spouse had the opportunity to mountain bike with former president Bush and the friend who hooked him up with the ride told my spouse, If he runs into you ten years from now he will call you by name and ask how your welding business is doing. I don't doubt it.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:50:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:15:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess this means that I'll never be a leader - I'm not a name man.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:38:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wew, lad.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:24:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever someone introduces themselves to you, make it a point to use their name several times in the conversation. It will help you remember.
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've tried a tonne of shit over the years, it doesn't work for me. People I talk to less frequently, the names just leak out of my head.
Pixiesquasher ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:32:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which Bush?
notenoughspaceforthe ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 12:23:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably W; I recall reading that he's an avid mountain biker, something he picked up after he found out running wasn't so good for his knees
spsprd ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:40:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Second. He has a full-time mountain bike trail maker on his ranch.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:19:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heard the same thing about Bill Clinton in a few accounts.
dickpollution ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:16:59 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Bill Clinton never forgets a bitch."
FairyOfTheStars ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:38:11 on December 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I kept hearing how charismatic he is and how he can really sweep you off your feet.
Bukujutsu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:01:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminded me of this: http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/
Of course you can have high raw intelligence and memory capabilities and still make poor decisions. Portrayals and the subsequent perceptions people develop tend to be highly inaccurate.
TedyCruz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a salesperson, its much much easier to remember if you actually care about the person, otherwise even the best salesperson forgets. It could be because they are a big buyer, or because you like them.
the_calibre_cat ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 09:11:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And high energy as fuck. I'm sorry, but the guy's 70, and was going to rally, to rally, to rally, to rally, to rally in just a single fucking day. I'm just blown away by that.
The_Punniest ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:06:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then he got home at 3:30 am and shit posted on Twitter. People that don't like Trump are really missing out. He is the first president I have ever gotten excited about it. He makes me want to be a better person.
mephistophelessoul ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:01 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, I think a lot of the lash back that's happening is mostly because of the constant smear campaign that was going on during the elections. It made him look like this inhuman, evil guy.
the_calibre_cat ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:22:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly agree. I mean, I'll vote him with the same skepticism I view all presidents, and he's obviously gonna lean right, but some of his antics are just... too fucking much. He's aced some of the aspects of modern politicking that career politicos have missed.
Invisibleufo ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 10:37:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you got something you really want it doesn't matter how old you are.
swolemedic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:19:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, ive known people to remember names but not details whereas my father and i are hilariously bad with names but we will remember your life story
dimtothesum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely the same for me.
I can watch a face, and say 'Hey, we met there about 6 years ago doing this, and it was raining' but new people really even have to tell me their name multiple times before I even remember. And if I don't see them in a time, that name is gone again.
DatDuckDoe ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 10:44:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Class act.
GAGAgadget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perception and memory are different from intelligence but I see what you mean
TheAC997 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:31 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be surprised if he's read How To Win Friends and Influence People fewer than three times. The book stresses "be sure to remember someone's name."
whogivesashirtdotca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:26 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he can remember a busboy's name but not David Duke's?
surbian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:43 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was about 25 years ago. I was just happy he remembered me. He was a famous dude.
Screenshotyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:23 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think remembering someone's name is a huge signifier of intelligence.
surbian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:25:22 on February 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It impressed me. Like I said, the guy only saw me a couple of times a month. It's not like I was a banker; I was clearing dishes and getting people water. I will admit I don't usually remember a busboys name and I was one. He took enough interest to do it.
EvilCam ยท 5267 points ยท Posted at 21:24:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of years ago I went to a conference in Las Vegas. My company put me up at Trump Hotel. Because my company is cheap and the hotel is technically off the strip I was sure the hotel would be second rate. I was impressed with the rooms and lobby, the quality of drinks and the free entertainment in the lounge.
As I was passing near the elevators I saw a few tall men standing around in suits warily eyeing passersby. I stopped to survey the situation and suddenly realized Donald Trump was right next to me. I said to him with sincerity: "Beautiful hotel you have here, Mr. Trump."
He responded by taking a step closer and extending his hand. I shook it and he looked me in the face and said: "Thank you. That's why we built it. We want people to come to Las Vegas, have a nice time, and stay in a nice hotel." He gave me a smile and turned to take pictures and chat with the growing crowd.
He seemed very genuine and pleasant. 10/10
TheSpanxxx ยท 812 points ยท Posted at 00:34:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've stayed in that hotel on one of those last minute roll-the-dice grab bag website deals. Had no idea what I'd be getting into. It was the biggest and nicest hotel room I've probably ever stayed in. It was a surreal experience for this cheapskate. Seriously, one bathroom was probably 400 square feet by itself. That's right, I said "one" bathroom. My living room had a full bath as well.
Pavotine ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 07:21:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I stayed there just 2 years ago. Same experience. My wife books everything so I can't complain but I wondered why she picked The Trump. Even the name made me chuckle. Got there all the way from the UK and it turned out to be the best hotel ''room'' I stayed in. It was better than most apartments I've stayed in.
No complaints. Didn't meet The Donald though. Oh and one of the bartenders guessed my accent correctly even though I'm from a small island with our own distinct accent. Got the correct place first guess. That has never happened before even though about 70 per cent of Americans I met made a guess at exactly where I'm from. That was cool. The guy had met 2 people from here a few years ago and knew our accent. Cool!
chedeng ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 07:48:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isle of Man?
rayEW ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 23:18:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He sounds like a zx-10 at 15000 rpm
SoyMurcielago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:18:46 on January 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A very distinct accent if ever there was one, perhaps only rivaled by the clanking sound of testicles that residents of the northwest 200 area use to communicate as they ride their r1s in a similar manner.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:53:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Island of misfit toys?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:14:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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WolfGangSwizle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:02:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God I hope it's Newfoundland, I'm from New Brunswick and Jesus I love a Newfie accent, funniest guys to have a conversation with!
seign ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's see if I can guess without even hearing your voice: Falkland Islands?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:24 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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seign ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:09:10 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. I just looked up "small island in the UK" in google and guessed the first thing that came up lol. I was wrong anyway. He pm'd me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:50 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what'd he say?
iamnotyourdog ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:06:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did the same. I had a 1600 square foot suite in Toronto. The bathrooms were as big as a normal hotel room. They had every detail covered and even the door people addressed me by my last name after only coming in once. I was so impressed with the level of service. And yes, I stole the slippers and wear them around the house all the time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:08 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are so many people on this thread able to afford this?
ed_merckx ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:51:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really is a nice building, and pretty well kept up. Used more for confrence/business travelrs I think. Biggest reason it doesn't get much attention is the lack of a casino, which they did on purpose.
I have a couple of clients who always stay there on their vegas trips, I've stayed there once and had a corner suite, the room was great. Only like $200 a night if i recall in a pretty busy time also. Was a last minute trip and everything else was booked up or really expesnive on the strip where I usually stay (wynn/cosmopolitan/aria). The hotel has, by far the best view of the strip though, yeah It's off las vegas BLVD. but if you drew a stright line starting south by luxor and all that you'd run right into trump tower. It's across from the wynn where the road starts to curve off.
My room had a sink and microwave in it, again leading me to think longer term people in town for business stay there more. The food and pool is pretty nice too, more laid back and less crazy.
BeastftMiddleEast ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mind if I asked roughly how much you ended up paying for per night?
I've stayed in Las Vegas quite a bit and the Trump tower is pretty far off the strip but I can imagine having a fantastic view of the strip if you're in the right room
gqgk ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:55:30 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since nobody answered you, a few other people said between $150-200/night.
BeastftMiddleEast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks man!
Nice seeing you around here! :D I'm used to seeing your /u/ in /r/cscareerquestions :)
FlamingCh1cken ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:06:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did your bathroom have a full bathroom?
asoneva ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How cheap is it? Like Best Western cheap, or just not as expensive as the Cosmopolitan?
TheSpanxxx ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:24:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The room I was in was probably 1200 Sq ft and I think it was about 150/night. So, not roadside motel cheap, but by value, the best deal by far I could have gotten in the strip probably.
asoneva ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:24:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shit, that's a good deal
TheSpanxxx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:22:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Priceline
BigBassBone ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 22:27:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If I recall correctly he wanted the Trump Las Vegas to have a Casino, too, but Nevada wouldn't issue him a gaming license after his ventures in Atlantic City.
EDIT: I was mistaken about this. Trump does hold a Nevada gaming license, but for some reason chose not to open a Casino at the Trump International in Las Vegas.
julietscause ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 00:03:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I stayed at the Trump once and honestly that was one of the main reasons I loved it (plus the lobby and the room was great!). I hate the smokey lobby areas so when I checked in, I was so happy to see there was no gambling downstairs!
SplitFingerSkadootch ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 22:44:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This means he refused to line the right pockets.
Conjwa ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 23:55:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, Steve Wynn's pockets.
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 00:20:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Screw that guy. When I was at Las Vegas as a kid, the Wynn had this dark, dark feel to it. Really sketched me out. The more I learn about the guy the more it makes sense.
MiaYYZ ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:52:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wynn opened like ten years ago
[deleted] ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 00:58:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm only 20.
AlexGrass ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 03:03:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why, but this exchange between you two was hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:08:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heh, I'm amazed that I somehow have 54 upvotes. Unexpectedly funny to many people I guess.
CyanideGatorade ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:15:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dialogue played out like one of those "Oh" moments. Quite hilarious
mrmaddness ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:54:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could have been a kid 10 years ago. Depends on what your definition of kid is
MiaYYZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:21:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a ten year old be hanging out in a casino?
adamantitian ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:26:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're hotels too.
westernmail ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:28:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Staying at the hotel I would think.
derponasdjsdoe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:54:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But steve wynn has been around a long time. He's been in vegas longer than his namesake.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:56:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Golden Nugget maybe?
mbeezier ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:56:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Wow, that's pretty ballsy to open up a hotel in Vegas and not do gaming.
yeahbuddy ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 03:03:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. I stayed at the Trump Hotel in Vegas several times and it's wonderful. Nothing like escaping a noisy casino and entering a wonderful building that's completely clean, smoke-free and quiet.
mbeezier ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:39:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant having a business while not taking advantage of the revenue. There's slots in the airports and 7-Elevens!
homeworld ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 00:46:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now Trump Taj Mahal closed down last month. It's sad because last time I was there I was talking to some of the employees (on their name tags it said how many years they had been employed there). One guy who checks room keys by the elevator had a 30 year tag also had a special pin that he said Donald Trump, Jr. gave it to him. It's sad what ended up happening to all of those employees worked there their entire lives.
FrOzenOrange1414 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:22:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone with 30 years experience could walk right into another 5 star hotel and land a job. Plus they now have a cool experience, not everyone can say they have a pin given to them by Donald Trump Jr.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:25:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't exactly a surplus of hotels to walk into and get hired at in Atlantic City these days.
homeworld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rumor is Icahn is going to reopen the Taj next year as a non-union casino. Son maybe the guy can get his job back, but at 1/2 the pay and no benefits.
FrOzenOrange1414 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:53:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then if it were me, I'd move somewhere else knowing I could easily find a job.
oneeighthirish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:16:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Easier said than done. Moving, possibly far away, can be quite the undertaking.
fletchindubai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to Vegas as a journalist to write about it and the big thing there is the move away from casinos. One newer hotel on the strip - I forget it's name - is lovely but chose not to have a casino and put in some fancy shops and restaurants instead.
Vegas is moving away from gaming and more towards general entertainment. It actually makes more from that now than gambling.
Perhaps Trump was being smart and differentiating his hotel from the others or just following the new trend.
OfficerPineappleCock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:16 on February 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Mandarin Oriental may be what you're thinking of.
monichica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't? I didn't realize that. How strange.
swim831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to book a room there in the future, but won't since there is no casino. It's nice to go straight up to your room after being in the casino all night
Axelnite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:35:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what happened?
BigBassBone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/nyregion/donald-trump-atlantic-city.html?_r=0
But never mind, I was apparently mislead about Trump not having a gaming license in Nevada. He does.
mousylion ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 23:39:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a great salesman, honestly. I don't like his policies, but he's knows how to charm people.
[deleted] ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 01:10:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
which is why i doubt he's gonna start world war 3 like some people think
brent1123 ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 01:16:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also found that confusing - even some Democrats I know were discussing how Hillary could get into it with Russia (no-fky zone, Putin and her have not gotten along much iirc), but now there are articles everywhere about how Trump will start a war, which I don't get. War can be profitable but nothing I've seen from his policies (save for wanting to reduce overseas military bases, thereby possibly causing a war through a power vacuum) or speeches indicates to me that he is interested in starting shit with another country
morvis343 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 01:25:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not so much that they believe he wants to start a war, they just think he will be as inflammatory and rude as he was on the campaign trail and that'll piss other world leaders off.
brent1123 ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 01:34:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that logic, but campaign Donald =/= businessman Donald. The guy didn't become this successful by being inept at business (yes, I get that he inherited money and some of his ventures failed, but that is how business works), and a lot of business tactics cross into politics. Posturing, negotiation, various psychological tactics, etc. This certainly doesn't mean he will be perfect or good at it, but being brash is something I doubt will cross into making trade deals
the_calibre_cat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:02:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's certainly bested a lot of expectations. Underestimating the guy is for the birds at this point, at least for me.
fikme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:06:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He only inherited a small amount , if it's true he only got a million dollars , realistically , millions of people inherited a million or more and did not end up billionaires ..
Spifferiferfied ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's not true he only got a million dollars. It was closer to $14 million, or about $31 million today. http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/09/clinton-is-right-about-trumps-very-small-14-million-loan-228709
fikme ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:28:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And still turned that to 3 billion as a minimum figure which is reported by Forbes , doing business, employing people ... sometimes it's easy for us to make things sound easy but it's hard .. lots of people inherited that kind of money and just used it for living expenses
Spifferiferfied ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:24 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not disagreeing with that. Though there are many people who say he should have much more starting from what he did. I took exception with the oft-repeated lie that he 'only' received a million dollars.
friendsomewhere ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:33:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[Disclaimer: Not a Trump supporter by any means whatsoever]
See, should he do something of the sort, I feel that very few world leaders would be unreasonable enough to go to war over it.
WarwickshireBear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the thinking behind this is not so much that Trump will himself start the war, but through his indications that he will not defend NATO countries and overall unwillingness to criticise Putin, it is more that he will open the door to Russian invasions of more of her neighbours.
Shamic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he probably won't start it, but he might just one of the many things to tip the world over the edge. He alone won't do it, there are other factors (which I can't name until they happen) at play.
Jagjamin ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 01:36:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is willing to fight a war. Hilary wants to.
buc_nasty_69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got shit for asking if people were seriously afraid he would start a war over Twitter. Such a stupid thing to think. I blame the media for making people think this is a real possibility.
syncopacetic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is like watching people talk about hitler's art or speech giving abilities.
mousylion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong. Let's hope history won't justly remember them in the same light.
alcofrizbaz ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 01:07:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite one. He is proud of what he's built and he wants people to enjoy it
Born_Ruff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Comments like these seem to indicate just how low the bar is set for Trump.
I mean, for most normal people, it really wouldn't be notable that they were able to be friendly when someone compliments them, especially if that person is a customer in their business.
uncleawesome ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:17:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wants people to pay and enjoy it.
alvik ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:36:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's generally how business work.
uncleawesome ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:40:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's why he's nice.
fletchindubai ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:07:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking to a woman (now in public relations) who used to work for him on his real estate business. We were walking through Manhattan talking and I asked if she was worried that Trump might get the Republican nomination.
She said he was one of the best bosses she's ever had. Totally let her get on with the job, gave her the tools and support to do so and when she went on extended maternity leave he held the job open for her and say her right.
Really doesn't square with the things he said and did in his election campaign and the things we've learned he's done in his past. But it seems he can be decent at times.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he sounds every bit as awful as CNN makes him out to be..
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PM_ME_UR_GOODIEZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:21 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pro tip: you can book this hotel through hot wire by filtering for North strip 5 stars. It's the only 5 star Resort on the strip without a casino. Every room is a suite with a kitchen. Can usually get it for around $100 a night. I only stay here now.
It's not really that far off the strip considering how far you end up walking in some of the major casinos to get to your room. They also do free shuttles to Caesars and Wynn. Oh and it doesn't smell like smoke.
WTFOutOfUsernames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:39 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is an old thread but just adding my two cents. I've stayed there twice, and both rooms have been of phenomenal quality. They had a full jacuzzi tub, glass walled walk-in shower, TV in the bathroom mirror, and one of the largest square footage and nicely appointed rooms I've been in. As much as I dislike Donald the POTUS, Donald the hotelier knows how to plan a hotel.
Dial-1-For-Spanglish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:07 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'We' this, that and the other - total team player speak.
MechanicalTurkish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was his handshake like?
EvilCam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Warm
iamonlyoneman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read the quote in his voice.
vinnyboyescher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you shaked his hand? We're they normal sized?
EvilCam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't notice anything abnormal tbh I have smallish hands.
LeakyNalgene ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This story perfectly matches the Donald in my mind.
IShouldStopTalking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:17:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why he always says he has the best hotels damn it ๐
fiddleandthedrum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:55:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This whole thread gives me at least a little bit of hope for America's future.
DannyTao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:32:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason this reminds me of meeting a powerful character in a pokemon game which foreshadows you having to battle them at a later time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've stayed there as well, everything was top notch.
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sassysassafrassass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should. Of course he isnt a saint but don't believe anything the media says without doing your own research. And when I say media I mean both fox and cnn. A good example of this is how the media is freaking out about how trump said he might not repeal obamacare, when in reality he wants to keep just two aspects of it.
kotosumo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't own the buildings or build them. He just licenses his name.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awe Donald is a gentleman!
AKindChap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I saw an interview where he very explicitly stated that he doesn't shake hands.
Now I'm here thinking if I dreamt an interview with Trump talking about hygiene...
Rsubs33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling bullshit. Trump hates shaking people's hands and doesn't do it unless he absolute has to. Here quote about it from his book "One of the curses of American society is the simple act of shaking hands, and the more successful and famous one becomes the worse this terrible custom seems to get. I happen to be a clean hands freak. I feel much better after I thoroughly wash my hands, which I do as much as possible.โ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:18 on December 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Las Vegas and his hotel blows compared to the high end ones. Glad you enjoyed your stay though.
teddette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:14 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was the handshake as crazy as we see today?
EvilCam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:17 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unnecessarily firm but no big pull in.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 9578 points ยท Posted at 18:52:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He built a golf course in a rich neighboring town a few years ago, and around the time it opened my grandparents and I were on a walk there (it was built on a sea cliff, popular hiking spot before it was built, still is though) and Trump was riding by on a golf cart. He high-fived my grandma. No words were exchanged.
Edit: Yes, this was at the Palos Verdes course.
boston_shua ยท 3948 points ยท Posted at 22:00:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is amazing.
G8kpr ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 23:25:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just picture some sort of "Naked Gun" type joke where he high fives this old lady, and she stumbles back, over a railing down over the cliff and essentially cliff diving backwards, winning a local tournament no one knew was going on.
kirrin ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:02:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that you, Leslie?!
doppelwurzel ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:17:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you can't be serious.
DaWayItWorks ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 02:58:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am serious and don't call me Shirley
G8kpr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:10:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you like movies about Gladiators?
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You ever seen a grown man naked?
Stoner78nyc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that right Mr. Poopy pants?
-DisobedientAvocado- ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 01:03:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This threads gonna change reddit's opinion of the guy just wait.
bambixbambi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:09:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
omg. so kelly conway come up with this thread?
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jberg93 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:05:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked how op was walking with her grandparents.
jaxxon ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:51:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then the grandma was high-fived by Trump.
flubberFuck ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:59:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With no words if i am to be exact?
lostmau5 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:53:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked the part where no words were exchanged.
It's Trump at his best.
LimeLoop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:21:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the part where Trump didn't miss grandmoms hand with his tiny hands.
idrive2fast ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 23:09:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You always hear people say that George W. or Bill Clinton would be fun guys to hang out with (disregarding your political leanings). Things like this make me feel like Trump might actually be the same way, despite the media persona he cultivates.
[deleted] ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 23:43:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more that most people, when you take the time to know them even just a little, are really decent folks.
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 23:53:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. We only see a tiny part of these people, even the most famous. I see this with people online too - often I comment on Reddit, and someone replies to disagree. Naturally, I think they're a twat, because they've totally ignored what I meant to be pedantic, or they're misinformed. Buuuut, if I reply in a reasoned manner, and we go back and forth for a few dozen comments, usually it turns out that we both agree on things for the most part, and both our opinions are understood and respected by each other.
But it's a lot easier to call someone a fucktard based on one thing they said and leave.
redpandaeater ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:57:59 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could sort of see it with Bush in that he stopped playing golf after the media quickly pointed out he'd sometimes golf while troops he sent overseas were fighting for their lives. Obama golfed all the time and nobody ever complained about it, which never seemed right.
Wiggly_Muffin ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:40:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucktard.
existentialhack ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:07:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then when you get to know most people a lot, you discover they aren't.
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_Fudge_Judgement_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:36:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Centipedes, on the other hand. Centipedes will never disappoint you.
iammanlyman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:27:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, and you take someone like GW Bush - I mean take everything you absolutely can't stand about the guy politically.... remember all the jokes made at his expense.... remember it all..... and tell me you don't think he's very likely a wonderful person that you could just hang out and bullshit with.
evanescentglint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harold and Kumar 2 (and weed) changed my opinion of GW.
Heroshade ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:27:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Bill and George would be the "have a few drinks and shoot some pool" kinda guys, while Trump would be the "Hey, let's fill this rooftop pool with hundred year old scotch, drink as much as we can, then BASE jump down to my limo. You know, pregame stuff."
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We have the greatest rooftop pools here
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Want to get bigly wasted?
MyActualNameIsCarl ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:25:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This would have gotten him my vote if I'd read it before the election.
Also, if I voted in the US election.
Also, if I was American.
dj_destroyer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:37:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's this massive specimen of a female that goes to my gym and she doesn't shave anything or conform to many perceived social standards that I can see. Anyways, every time she enters the gym, she has this super energetic strut and she just starts high fiving anyone who has a free hand. All big smiles, 'hey how are yas', compliments, etc. then she goes and smashes weights like a champ for a couple hours and bounces, never losing the smile. She leaves a wake of smiles and laughter wherever shoe goes.
blackhaz2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:53:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High-five my grandma.. Hehe.. Cool! Hehe.. Heh.. Hehehe..
PM_ME_YIFF_PICS ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:14:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is so great.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:54:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NO ur clearly a nazi, and hates gays and probably are russian isis!
sonnythedog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best Eiffel Tower ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The privilege of belonging to President Trumps important constituents.
zxrax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably wanted to bang though
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 22:42:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fucking high five
Destr0p ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:45:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool your jets, buddy
lurker_bee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:54:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not your buddy, pal.
keepcomingback ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not your pal, friend.
balrogwarrior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not your friend, dude.
sunhammer420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ain't your dude, homie.
abelholic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ain't your homie, bruh.
Count_Zrow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:42:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ain't your bruh, dog.
Samuelluna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not your dog, guy!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not your guy, hombre!
lurker_bee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not your hombre, comrade!
dairyfreesince-93 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:04:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shh...
lphaas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:41:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're a fucking high five.
laughingbuddhabear ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:07:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I would have thought he would low-five a woman right in the p....y
c0ldsh0w3r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:24:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has his method for dealing with women down pat.
Come_along_quietly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:31:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. You don't know WHERE he high-fived her. You know, they just let you do it!
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MeowntainMan ยท 373 points ยท Posted at 20:37:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucking awesome..
[deleted] ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 22:25:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're damn right it is. Nothing turns a day around like a random high five from a billionaire on a golf cart.
IanMazgelis ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 22:17:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's my president.
fleetber ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:00:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey...a time traveler!
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bestfriendfornever ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 21:38:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your grandma seems chill as fuck.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:32:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely love her to bits, it's a shame I can't take her and my grandpa on hikes like we used to though.
panegyricallyverbose ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:05:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a drive by fiving? Pretty sweet.
boston_shua ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:13:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
better than a drive-by fruiting
ATrainWithNoBrakes ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:55:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know quite a few people who have worked there and have had nothing but positive things to say about President Trump.
I'll share one story that isn't too personal or revealing: A friend and former employee witnessed two young interviewees speaking with the Don about their recent college graduations. After hearing about their student loans Mr. Trump walked them to HR personally and had them hired on the spot.
The other stories I have heard are a little personal for me to share, but each describe a caring and extremely generous man. Nothing like what you hear from the media who loved him until he went against them.
Seems like many of you have had the same experience. Makes you think..
Chlorine-Queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he has plenty of great moments, and I'm also sure he has plenty of bad ones too. I'm not going to pretend to understand the way the media works or take everything it says as truth, but honestly I'm not a supporter of him. If the EPA and renewable energy doesn't come to a grinding halt or even start reversing during his term, then I'll consider him an okay president. But I have no clue what to reasonably expect right now, so I'm nervous.
poldicer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:12:33 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
global warming from CO2 emissions is a hoax...deal with it
Jagable ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:08:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pedro/PV?
Chlorine-Queen ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:22:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! I've got no interest in golf, but it's a beautiful place to hike. Saw a whale jump full out of the water there once.
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SoUnhealthy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's so many different hiking spots though, like Malaga Cove, Trump Trails, and Abalone Cove.
careslol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking of whales...did you know that area was the original "Seaworld"?
Chlorine-Queen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marineland! Really bummed it washed away before my time. I love the Cabrillo and Long Beach aquariums, even went to school to study marine biology. Would've been awesome to get to grow up with it there.
careslol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If by washed away, you mean the new owners secretly moving the whales to San Diego and pouring concrete over Marinelane so it would be unusable again...then yes washed away.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:19 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...I just heard it went the route of Sunken City/Paseo Del Mar, which wouldn't have surprised me. Never actually looked into it though, so what do I know.
charlie_do_562 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:43:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! Never thought I'd see Palos verdes or San Pedro mentioned here
Sour_Badger ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:20:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys still have 40 somethings acting like hardcore surfers protecting the beach from the riff raff? I've never laughed harder in my life than a guy trying to chase me up the cliff paths because I wasn't "local". I was visiting my uncle who lives in the area ya fucking boob.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:49:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I've never gotten that level of aggression, but it's true that rich oceanside neighborhoods try to keep "their" beaches as private as possible. Some spots have very few parking lots, the ones that are there usually have a tow-away warning if you're not parked for the specific business its adjacent to, no neighborhood street parking, they're all gated off or require a permit. Idea's basically that no one who doesn't live there can get easy access.
brosaparkss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:39:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a class action lawsuit against the "bay boys" being filed
SoUnhealthy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They take that shit seriously in San Pedro. There's a place in Pedro called Royal Palms, and my surfer friends in high school are always saying "locals only", and they mean it. Kids from Palos Verdes High even made a diss track on the kids in San Pedro and Royal Palms last week. A funny line was "Fuck with PV kids to relive real gang shit... I know more thugs than you". Keep in mind this is the second wealthiest city in Los Angeles, and their parents probably make well over 200,000 a year.
charlie_do_562 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of that shit. Sounds like a hassle though.
rdmc23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're called Bay Boys. They pretty much intimidate non-locals who surf.
Hutyger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck. Yeah I would stab someone if they came after me like that.
rdmc23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, they're real
ray_bacon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously me too lol
dabrito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, same here...unless someone were to mention territorial surfers.
mordea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Palos Verdes Peninsula as a whole gets referenced often enough. Much more so than Lomita, which is usually about murders such as when the chef cooked his wife.
definitely_right ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shoutout to Redondo...? Either way, hello fellow South Bay redditors.
PunkAintDead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise! Harbor Area represent
Jagable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me either! Been here for a while now and haven't heard a peep until now
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:13:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome.
seafood10 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:42:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Palos Verdes?
Chlorine-Queen ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:51:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would've thought "Trump golf course on a cliff by the ocean" applied to at least a few more besides this one. But, yes.
seafood10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in PV and just sounded familiar!
Freakychee ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:48:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I don't think he would be my first choice to be a president but I always say that there is good and bad in everyone and nobody can be all bad.
I think he is generally kind to kids and one time I remember Ben Carson was too shy to go out on stage and Trump encouraged him to go out.
Nobody is all bad and nobody is all good.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the top comments I've seen portray him as a decent guy. I'm sure there are others that would say otherwise, same goes for all people. His everyday personality shouldn't be taken as a measure of his leadership abilities, which personally I'm skeptical of...but we'll see. There have been some pleasant surprises since the election, but as a hippy-dippy nature lover, I have to say I'm worried about the whole climate change attitude him and some of his transition team have, among other things.
Freakychee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. I personally don't think anyone who denies science accepted by the vast majority should be president.
But I still say nobody can be all bad.
poldicer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:13:43 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
too bad...global warming is a hoax. where's that consensus of scientists that are actual meterologists and climate scientists...not engineers and archaeologists?
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poldicer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:47 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's a hoax. i can't prove a negative. YOU have to prove it's happening and it isn't...i'm still listening, snowflake. so fucking glad president trump will withdraw us from 'muh global warming' agreements and say fuck you to all of you hoaxists
Freakychee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:26 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't like disproving god.
This is me saying what is the fucking reason why anyone would "put this hoax" up.
There isn't anything concrete you can give me because in your tiny feeble mind you want to pretend everything is fine. All cupcakes and rainbows because you are a in denial about the truth. You can't hide from the facts that most scientist acknowledge that climate change is real.
We have proof and you have a bunch off BS. Do you even know why there is this "global warming isn't real" thing is out there? Simple, the answer is greed. We didn't used to have unleaded petrol. We do now because science showed that lead in the air was getting worse and oil companies hated it was getting negative flak. They didn't care about health of the people and all they wanted was their bottom line.
The same thing is happening now and this time the oil companies are fighting harder than ever. And it worked! They got some gullible people like you to believe their nonsense. So open your eyes, buddy! Don't be fooled by them! Trust in science.
There is a reason why the hottest year ever is always the current year.
Face the facts and step out of that LALA land in your head.
I'm done with you! You can reply but I doubt you will have anything of value to say in return besides self-gratifying comments like calling me "snowflake" just because you can't form an argument.
Enjoy your meme president.
poldicer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
fuck off with your global warming, al gore-spouting bullshit. you know 'an inconvenient truth' can't be shown in UK schools because it's deemed 'lying propaganda' by the UK govt? LMAO at you global warming hoaxists...you guys are as delusional as the apollo moon landing hoaxists
Freakychee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:01 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best you got is a Wikipedia entry for a "controversy".
We can easily find better sources for our proof from actual scientist and even NASA.
You are a tin foil hat idiot. No better than a flat earth idiot.
Please end your life or at least neuter yourself. We can't have your weak minded offspring spread.
poldicer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:52 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you are a tinfoil hat person, yourself...and you didn't talk about the fact that in the UK it's illegal to show 'an inconvenient truth' in british schools unless the teacher uses the movie to show the usage of lying propaganda.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4
(oh wow! i found an article of NASA SCIENTISTS AND ASTRONAUTS condemning the global warming hoax!!!!)
GTFO with your lies and your precious CO2 emissions.
Freakychee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:50 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh 49 scientist! Oh my!
You idiot. Oh course there will be people against an idea. There are idiots who believe the world is flat and evolution isn't real.
But the general consensus is that climate change is real. Until you wake up from your fantasy world we can never work to make the world a better place.
Trust in the scientific method.
poldicer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:58 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
where's your consensus? i don't even see you parading around a list of NASA people. your 'consensus' is a huge lie and includes scientists who are not experts in global warming (most of them are not meterologists or climate-related scientists).
i love how you went 'REEEEE' when you got BTFO by me showing you an actual list of many NASA people shitting on global warming and all you do is go 'REEEEE'. i love it!
PRO-NUCLEAR AND PRO-AMERICAN OIL/COAL!!! GO TRUMP! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
Freakychee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:46 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your imagination is very good for a simpleton.
The reason why I don't show you how many more scientist there are who agree that climate change is real over those who do is that it is akin to showing you that the sky is blue.
I don't have to. You just need to open your eyes.
And saying "Make America great again!" means one thing... America sucks now and you are all pieces of shits. Now you turned to a man who has no idea what he is getting into just because he catered to the uneducated and gullible masses like you.
Here is NASA http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Here is some more http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm
Heck even Business Insider has it. No idea why though. http://www.businessinsider.com/climate-change-global-warming-scientific-evidence-2011-8
Top scientist and people much smarter than you and Trump combined know climate change is real. I don't even know why you think it isn't.
Wait... are you a troll?
poldicer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:11:47 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you: 'REEEEE'...
good thing we won and you assholes lost! :)
MAGA!
Freakychee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:58 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an American citizen you idiot.
I'm just enjoying the show where your country is falling apart and the people are tearing themselves to pieces.
Thanks for electing a meme for a president. I'm going to enjoy the show.
You are so stupid. Now I know what kind of person voted for him.
poldicer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:28 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO...
MAGA!!!
at least we don't have merkel or cuckstin trudeau or sweden letting in rapefugees
Freakychee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:27 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No. You have school shootings and gang violence and the KKK and sleezy businesses and stupid rednecks.
And Trump is all big talk and nothing to back it up. Just a bitch like you.
Please remove yourself from the gene pool you stupid weakling.
Twocann ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:31:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to believe Comedy Central lied. They told me he was a very very bad man.
Kinky_Jew ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:54:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i would pay a small loan of a million dollars just to get high-fived by The Donald as he rode by on a golf cart
mbod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:42:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Chlorine-Queen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I myself am not actually sure...don't remember getting any inbox replies that seemed like they would be.
thegr8rambino13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol Donald seems like a cool fun guy, not what the media is making him out to be
Ninjahitman19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a class act
penultimart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:00:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to imagine your grandmother put her hand up to wave politely, as she would out of courtesy to anyone, and Trump opted to high-five.
That's the kind of initiative that takes you to the Oval Office.
LookMomImOnTheWeb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two things. 1) I was only half paying attention while reading this and for whatever reason thought he was riding by on a horse which made it about a million times better
And 2) while I'm willing to believe you because I want so much for this to be true, a drive by five seems to go against the idea of him being a germaphobe.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, a few people have pointed that out. To be fair, it actually happened a lot longer ago than I remember. I saw both their hands reached out but it could've been there wasn't contact. From my angle, looked like the high-five equivalent of when old ladies shake hands with their just their fingers. Doesn't matter much to me, it's just funny thinking about that moment in hindsight.
Jonny_reb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That high-fiving mother fucker.
iamnotnotarobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that this entire thread is making me like him more and more. As a person he seems pretty chill. I hope as a president he's just as chill.
ogAOLhax0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Palos Verdes. 18th hole feel off cliff a few times. Before he purchased the land and started building, we used to go hike around there growing up. Was cool as hell.
Had a few friends work for him. Heard first hand he was sexist and fat shamed. But the person he did this to still voted for him.
My "sister" was the one that was going to sue him because she was fired for being over weight. She was a manager. The media did a full on blitz on her because she never went through with it and it was sealed. It sucked because it brought up a bunch of bad memories. Media would not let up on her. So glad this is over and she can continue to live life without the reminder of that part of her life.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like a vaguely remember hearing about that :/ I'm sorry she was put through that.
Uhtraydees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for this to get to the media: "Trump assaults elderly woman in gangland drive-by"
evan164 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me feel a lot more confident for the next four years.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, my grandma's high-fived a lot of people, but I wouldn't recommend most of them for president.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when he built a golf course, he later built dirt mountains around it to obscure the view for people living near by.
He then bought the houses very cheaply. due to no one wanting to live next to dirt mountains
therealnordle ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:06:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in the vagina I hope
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:11:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a low five.
cleverso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that made me laugh!
herbistheword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live right on that course! The hiking paths are very much still in use! The house he stayed in when the course was being built is a few hundred yards away from our deck... Interesting neighbors! Now there's a Chinese family who owns some shipping company living there, personal security vehicles always park by their driveway and I mistake them for real cops/a speedtap 3/5 times I drive by
Chlorine-Queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, never knew he actually lived there for a period of time. I haven't been on those trails since I graduated high school, but I'd like to see the place again. Has the attitude towards the place changed at all since the campaign/election? I don't like the idea of him being president, but I don't want his property vandalized either.
herbistheword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Life as usual in PV, although some people have made some very incorrect assumptions about our political alignments... Worth it for the view http://imgur.com/17rLpIs
Nois3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've live in the almost to PV side of Pedro. I miss Marineland. I blame you and your houses :)
Starquake20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is funny
DopeSlingingSlasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this is the best one
Adsefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half of these are him building golf courses?!
Rooster_illusions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In/around north Carolina? If so I know a guy who works on that golf course, says trump is rarely if ever around.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, Palos Verdes in Southern California. Surprised so many people knew where I meant.
Cosomo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did she get wet
DrNick2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now I would have been rooting for him in this election if his campaign was basically riding around in a golf cart high fiving people
guru19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
palos verdes?
cassandracurse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he just overshot his target.
Lundy87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im going to imagine you are talking about the Palos Verdes golf course.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am! So far everyone's guessed right except for the North Carolina one. Never thought it was so recognizable.
PartysaurusRexx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool dude confirmed.
codcuber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump national is a great place to hike. Its like the promised land
Hexodus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Palos Verdes?
MEuRaH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best story right here.
icarus14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably plowed her when he started scoping the spot for the golf course a million years ago and just acknowledged the sensuous one night stand with a high five.
wannabe_buddha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about Rancho Palos Verdes?
RyanRagido ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly tried to grab granma by the pussy.
meowd0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yay pv checking in lol
stevencastle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he whisper "No one will ever believe you"?
_bobsacamano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This feels like a biden move.
Luis_Y_Que ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live on PV Drive South, pretty much across from the golf club and though I never met the guy, his helicopter is loud as fuck and really annoying.
MarcoGeovanni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the 3rd one I've seen that has to do with one of his golf courses, how many does a man need??
Tsarevich_Lyagushka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:55 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has golf courses all over the world.
sxysteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did the golf course mess up the hiking spot?
Rickles360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he almost ran over your grandmother on a golf cart.
WillElMagnifico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful hike. Harrowing at points, but beautiful the whole way.
ragtimesongs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/awildsketchappeared where are you
Shortbreadis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend worked at the course for years. I've been dying to ask what she thinks of at all this (we're not really in touch lately), but I'm afraid of what she'll say.
Man I miss 'Pedro!
SausageMcMuffdiver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I showed my 1970 Subaru 360 van at the Palos Verdes concours. I thought it was funny they served "Trump Ice" bottled water, with his face on the label. I probably should have saved a few bottles.
Captain_Kuhl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to imagine your grandma was his dealer, and you just never found out.
heezyboy13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh the one in pv! I like to grab a busy bee and watch the ocean there
tumblewiid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol I see the image in my head
JaredsFatPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking it was PV but that was more than a "few" years ago. It was more than 10 years ago. And I remember there was a big to do about the US flag they wanted to fly because it was so huge but local ordinances said it couldn't be that large and people made it into a patriotic thing. lame. But hiking around there is cool.
Chlorine-Queen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...True, it still feels recent for some reason though.
ThePlough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aberdeen
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump definitely got some from your Grandma.
IsThatDWade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rancho Palos Verdes in Cali?
jvili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The area was a golf course before Donald acquired it.
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espnzone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did this thread say?
iSpazem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:05:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The censorship is very scary
thomase7 ยท 5918 points ยท Posted at 18:32:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him speak at an ICSC NYC convention, the only thing I remember is there was a q&a part, some 20something girl asks if his hair was real, and he says it was and then asks the girl to come on stage and feel it. So Trump had a younger women rubbing his head in front of ~200 real estate professionals.
_itsaconspiracy ยท 1146 points ยท Posted at 20:08:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So was it real? Don't leave us hanging OP!
thomase7 ยท 2145 points ยท Posted at 20:10:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the girl said it was, but she could have been a plant.
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simandlesque ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loaded more comments hoping for this one.
I_DO_JUMPING_JACKS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did it say?
simandlesque ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Arrested Development reference...something to the effect of, "It's only a Coke, Michael...how much could it cost, $20?"
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sunny_storm__ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:51:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine having so much money that you can afford to plant a girl at every conference you attend for the sole purpose of saying your hair was real?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump seems like the kind of guy who would do that XD
AnnexTheory ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:59:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to plant Anne!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:29:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her?
john3po ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:10:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bland?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:30:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew I would find an arrested Development quote.
BluePhoenix65 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:39:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend's last name is plant, and I find this thread hilarious.
thomase7 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:42:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My college roommates girlfriend last name was plant. She was a bitch.
creynolds722 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:43:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you just found your college roommate's reddit account
BluePhoenix65 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:53:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt that, unless I forgot my own identity.
Darth_Draper ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:58:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*A transplant
Frondescence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he meant that the girl was planted to ask the question, feel his hair and then say it's real.
Fartoholic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. Plants don't have a reliable sense of touch.
skydivingninja ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her?
Mouse-Keyboard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:17:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't you tell the difference between a human and a plant?
The_Path_Of_A_Peanut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you tell the difference between a legume and a vegetable?
disposable-name ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like his hair!
theninjallama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A fern on fire
godnah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His hair could have been a plant too
VladimirPootietang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ann?
Axelnite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
on some chat show in america the presenter did the exact same thing. Its real lads
f_bastiat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her?
Cpt_Tsundere_Sharks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought men like you were usually called a fruit.
Rawrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, like a ficus?
StoneflyNymph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The girl was real. The hair was a plant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the politically correct term is "retarded".
myheartisanchovie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of plant?
Whostolemycheez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if your a plant by trump to make us believe that girl was a plant and doubt im too high sorry
madhousechild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same could be said for his hair, I guess.
BillMurraysTesticle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find the possibility of her being green and leafy highly unlikely.
SpuriusKenyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her being a plant is more amazing than Trump's hair.
PremSinha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Girl plants. I look it up. #37
kasdanasal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I want to believe she was a plant. Even though I'm sure she was genuine, I want to believe he would plant a question like that just to stroke his ego/scalp and show everyone his hair was real.
BOOSHACK360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So could the hair.
agonist5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like some sort of creature?
wonthymething ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean to tell me he invited a fucking ficus to touch his hair?!
GOA_AMD65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was the girl Jimmy Fallon?
Chadsfavorite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
like his hair
TheBroery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to plant, Ann!
dominokos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a cactus?
choboy456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Easy way to tell, did she seem to move around inside a pot?
waiv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It looks more like roadkill than a plant.
Hat-trickBlunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it was a real girl, but was the hair real?
Crocoduck_The_Great ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did she have any visible leaves?
ey51 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dionaea? If not, what kind of plant?
AldregePCgames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:09 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does a vegetable verify someone's hair is real if they can't even reach out to touch it?
princessy_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:52:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen the videos. He has a 6in long combover. He uses a lot of hair spray.
GalaxyMods ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:25:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's also in his 70's, so it's better than no hair at all!
princessy_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except it looks gross and like he spends too much time and too much hair spray trying to achieve a mirage. I personally would rather that balding men embrace the baldness than try to hide it... because, especially at a certain point, it's just not fooling anyone and looks worse than if you had shorter hair/shaved
cypherus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a toupee watch how it moves.
PlatinumGoon ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:11:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously real. Nobody would have a toupee that thin
Tasadar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:04:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Trump's a vain billionaire, he'd have the best toupee.
sheaness ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:29:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Fallon rubbed his hair in an interview this year.
CreativeGPX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:24:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Fallon messed up his hair in an interview from like a month or two ago. It behaved weirdly, but seemed real. See youtube.
RainmanEOD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think jimmy fallon asked him if he could mess up his hair and he said ok and then he rubbed his head really hard, looked real to me. There's videos online, I'm on mobile and can't link.
samsdeadfishclub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, man! There's just some things you don't talk about in public!
demafrost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was real and it was spectacular
Go_Kauffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the girl said it was, but it could have been a plant
acanoforangeslice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also remember on the Apprentice at one point he was right next to a running helicopter. His hair was messy as fuck, but didn't fly away. So either it's real, or it's superglued on.
Bakanogami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People joke that it's a wig but forget that he's rich. He doesn't buy wigs, he buys hair transplants. Seriously, the guy who made the procedure lives in Trump tower.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She said it was real and it was spectacular.
FishAndRiceKeks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the clip of Jimmy Fallon messing with Trump's hair on his show. If it were fake it would have been gone. I'm surprised he didn't yank it out even if it is real with how vigorously he tried.
IDieHardForever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:01 on February 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He let Fallon mess his hair up on The Tonight Show. Looked legit.
CaptainJAmazing ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 21:59:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had someone do that early in the campaign as well.
I realized just before then that no one would make a wig that stupid-looking.
CndConnection ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:47:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's real I can believe it but it infuriates me that he leaves it like that. I guess he is heavily invested in the 80s "wealthy tycoon" aesthetic but like give me 5 minutes with some hair product and even I could help him style his hair better.
Even more confusing is that his wife is a hot model so like you would think one night in their house she would be like "Honey, just bear with me and let me play with your hair for a few minutes I want to see what I can do".
But honestly I know the reason he keeps it that way is probably because of business strategy. The hair is part of his image and it makes him unmistakable.
firekstk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:22 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he say his wife does his hair?
FrogBlast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:12 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That point on image makes it all make so much sense now. That man knows branding bigly!
hicow ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 06:48:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It appears to be a really elaborate combover. I'd pay a whole dollar to see what his head looks like when he gets out of the shower.
gizram84 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:38:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did the ALS ice bucket challenge. He got soaked.
Looks pretty damn real to me.
Fatvod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:11 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not that its not real, its just styled and combed over weirdly.
gizram84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:44 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's pretty clear that it's not a combover. Look at the video I posted. Look specifically at the 53 - 59 second mark.
Fatvod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:31 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite a combover, but its combed forward in a way that hides his receding hairline.
Deplorable_Basket ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 23:13:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Fallon did it and liberals sperged the fuck out.
l0st_t0y ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 05:20:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah people were expecting Fallon to hit Trump with some hard hitting questions or something...
mcmanybucks ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:55:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, those late night talk show hosts are the prime source of unbiased and totally sincere interviews.
sounds of Jimmy Fallon croaking at a bad joke in the distance
seign ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:35:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the idea that he's actually proud of his hair. So much so that he had not one but two people touch it to acknowledge it was real on a stage in front of thousands of people on two separate circumstances.
Bigstar976 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:33:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. A wig would look like realistic hair. That's how you know it's not fake.
Apexk9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus he's rich I'm sure he can afford a hair transplant. He can probably pay someone to give them their hair.
TheXthDoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that Jimmy Fallon or some other talk show host?
CaptainJAmazing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He mussed his hair at some point, but the incident I'm thinking of was a random audience member.
vadergeek ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:37:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the people who don't think his hair is real. Why would he order a toupee that absurd, then continue to order new ones in that exact style for decades, even after constant mockery, with slight alterations to account for aging?
HonoredPeoples ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You take that back. Don's glorious hair has done nothing wrong. It's basically America personified in keratin form. If it could talk, it'd say "Murica. Deal with it."
urgaan ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother met him and did the exact same thing. They were on an elevator for whatever reason and she said it was the softest hair she'd ever felt
Xearoii ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:49:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What lol
iushciuweiush ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:03:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His grandma met him on an elevator and felt his hair. It was the softest she had ever felt.
urgaan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:16:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I thought it was a clear enough sentence
HonoredPeoples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don's luxurious mane feels soft like a fuzzy duck.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell lol
Gliste ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:05:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to 200 imaginary estate people?
Derhek123 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:02:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a stupid question to ask honestly
Sparcrypt ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:22:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet millions of people talk about it like it actually matters... sooo not that stupid?
giulianosse ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:50:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming people aren't stupid
Sparcrypt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People might be stupid, the question isn't if lots of people are interested.
captain_screwdriver ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:05:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enough stupid people ask a stupid question so it becomes a good question?
Sparcrypt ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It becomes one worth answering if enough people want to know.
Don't get so worked up, I personally don't care. Others obviously did and I'm sure Trump would prefer it be answered so people can move on.
captain_screwdriver ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:17:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Millions of people also want to know what Taylor Swift ate for breakfast. It doesn't become a good question. Also the hair thing has been hashed so many times that at this point it's just a running joke.
GOA_AMD65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She got to interact with the President, so not a bad question.
FedoricallyEuphoric ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:20:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention rude
OwlStretcher ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:17:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What year was this? I used to have to cover NY, Texas and Vegas ICSC conferences for a couple years and tried to avoid the dinner/speaker things like the plague. Hate I missed something like this!
thomase7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
December 2014
giveitago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is his hair, technically, he had a flap of his scalp relocated to the top of his head.
Harmalite_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:25:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that where the scalp normally goes? Please elaborate
giveitago ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:36:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exchanged flap from back of head to top of head and rotated before placement so hair grows in proper directiion.
ROK247 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so smooth...
h4b1t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jimmy Fallon did this on his show
thomase7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was after I saw it happen.
ForePony ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then how the fuck is he a germophobe?
745631258978963214 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:10:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she was pretty; people seem to be less germaphobic around people that they find pretty.
Hell, I've heard some guys are into putting their penises inside peoples' vaginas. Like, wtf?
ForePony ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:18:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That thing is filled with bacteria, even more so the person it is in.
Though I haven't tried it myself, I have heard tale the experience is orgasmic.
Blindweaponsfumbler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard he's a hand specific one.
ktwarda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi fellow retail real estate professional
hello_security ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i wanna become too. halp
ktwarda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear the Donald has a university for this
hello_security ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:36 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sir pls halp. am srs
ktwarda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:53 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such srs.
Am ma'am not sir. Think that might change things for you based on your posting history. :)
hello_security ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:39 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no pls halp ma'am. we r all equal. how to be
PepeIsAMemeYouDip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How scandalous!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:32:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Estate agents have conventions?
geacps2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that doesn't answer the question
mcmanybucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he had Jimmy Fallon ruffle his hair too
TheAC997 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:59 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood how anyone could think his hair isn't real. If it weren't real, wouldn't it be less shitty? I don't ask my neighbor with the infamously-bad-looking Christmas tree if it's real.
OldMackysBackInTown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he return the favor by grabbing her by the pussy?
ShocK13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grabbed her by the pussy and helped her onto the stage. Upstanding gentleman.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trumpy wanted her to rub his other head though, probably, tbh
dibetta ยท 4665 points ยท Posted at 19:23:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at one of his golf courses for 3 years as a valet and i also upkept the practice facilities (including driving around the ball picker upper).
Every time i dealt with Big Donald he was more than respectful. Also we had an Mexican guy who cleaned carts, Felipรฉ who he personally provided housing for out of his own pocket because he thought Felipรฉ was such a good worker and valuable asset to the course (which he was, the guy was such a nice guy and a crazy good worker). All in all, I had a polar opposite view of who Donald Trump was prior to this election cycle.
jedieaston ยท 2231 points ยท Posted at 22:14:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm pretty sure that he is a lot different than the way he acted publicly this election cycle. All of the stories in this thread say the same thing: he is nice. He probably just acted the way he did [in the campaign] to get attention, and get his name in front of America.
Eggmont ยท 1574 points ยท Posted at 22:57:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this thread and election say a lot more about America than they do about Trump.
Makes me wonder, if he had sat down, come up with some real solid policies and put them forward while acting like this, would he have made it past the primary?
SerendipitouslySane ยท 943 points ยท Posted at 23:05:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha no. Cruz would be in mild competition with Bush, and he'd be about as notable as Rand Paul.
Peach_tree ยท 384 points ยท Posted at 02:17:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. Trump is a genius.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 04:25:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just had a realizations also. Hahahaha!! He is smart.
sobrique ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:39:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't quite decide if that would turn out net positive though.
Peach_tree ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 13:19:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you remember Reagan, it's going to be great! If you don't, then just trust me - it is going to be fine and you'll be okay.
Hawkman003 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 21:36:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump will be Reagan without the mess. I trust him to be much better.
the_calibre_cat ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 03:42:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who did... pretty much that.
KarmaKingAlex ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 11:32:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see Rand Paul use the Trump method
BS32100 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 08:28:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, but you forget about Marco Rubio
jdepps113 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:25:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rand Paul ran way too nice a campaign.
He should have been out there throwing around rhetorical bombs and grabbing media attention wherever possible.
Cuddlyaxe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:32:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still think Rand Paul could've done well if Trump (because of populist appeal) and Sanders (Ron drew heavy young people, Rand ended up competing directly with Sanders for young votes)
MerelyFluidPrejudice ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 05:48:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...If Trump and Sanders what?
Good-Writer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:09:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't run?
traws06 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:04:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya really sucks because I was a big Rand supporter (apparently I was one of the 5%). I think his problem is that he doesn't play the game with reporters well enough. When they make ludicrous statements and bend the truth he calls them out and basically tells them they're stupid. While he's right, many Americans view this as rude and politically incorrect. The only way to pull that off is to be Trump and brand that as your politician style.
[deleted] ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 23:32:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look what happened to Kasich. So no. Ron Paul had ideas, Jill Stein has ideas. Bernie had ideas. You don't elect the President's policies, you elect their personality. Their policies will never get anywhere anyway
Mic_Check_One_Two ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 04:42:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I mean, I actually did like Bernie's personality, and I feel like a lot of other people did too. It wasn't just his policies - He seemed like one of the only genuine candidates in the race. Like he truly believed in what he was preaching. And that means a lot in my book, because it means they'll be more likely to stand their ground when other people try to buy/bully the person into changing their stance.
That being said, I don't think he would have been any more effective than Obama at enacting the policies he talked about - He'd still be dealing with a rowdy congress. They would try to water down/block anything he tried to pass, just like Obamacare. The one thing he'd really have going for him is the fact that he'd get to appoint SCOTUS justices... And that would leave his mark for (potentially) decades, and would put the court more on his side.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, Bernie was my first choice despite us being in disagreement on a majority of the issues. I felt he was a good person. I want a good person steering the country. The legislature should control the actual policies, of course, with steering and influence from the executive since they have to enforce the laws, but still, a good congress is more important in my book than a good president.
seditious3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:03:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or look at Kucinich and Paul Simon. They didn't look presidential enough
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but You can Call me Al is a dope song though, fam. My favorite memory of marching band.
seditious3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boy in the Bubble and Graceland are better. Al was kind of a novelty tune.
thwoomp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:49:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunate but true. It's the same in Canada. Trudeau said nothing of substance all campaign but people voted for him because of his charm and last name.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:57:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That, and if they had to look at a face for four years, it might as well be a pretty one.
traws06 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. Personality is likely the top factor as far as I can tell, slightly outranking having the media on your side. Trump won because he is a salesman with the personality to back it up. Clinton lost despite having the media on her side because I think most Americans (or at least me and everyone she's ever worked with) views her as a terrible human being. That said, I didn't vote for Trump, but I didn't vote for her either.
No_stop_signs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kasich is a nasty person, and owned by special interests, so it's not really the same thing.
Median2 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 23:29:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imo the whole thing screams of anti-estalishment and outrage. They wanted someone who was out there and seemed genuinely upset. It explains how someone like Trump or Sanders could have so much success against such long odds.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:04:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, no. We all say that we care about policy - and many of us do. But emotion rules. And with the media, clicks rule. Trump wouldn't get any media coverage if he just talked policy, and he wouldn't get as many social media followers either.
This loss of outreach would mean that few people would even hear about his policies, and even if they did emotions still rule. Trump would have to spend much, much more on ads to even have a chance, and without the backing of the GOP it would be such a huge personal cost it wouldn't be worth it.
He was facing what, 16 other people in the primaries? Most of them focused on policy. How much of that policy does anyone remember? I bet more people remember Fiorina's horse face and Jeb's lack of energy.
WinstonMcFail ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:36:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really wonder that? Of course not. The Don knows it's emotion not logic that spurs people into action.
cstrump95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:56 on December 27, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea definitely. The focus should have been on this, not his "racism"
fletchindubai ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:16:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. He knew that if you have around 15 Republican nominees then it's going to be hard to get airtime on the news and in the press.
But if you say something crazy or insulting or outrageous then that's going to make the news. The media gave Trump a wildly disproportionate amount of coverage early on and you can't really blame the press for this - they were just writing what the big story was.
Then as the Republican field thinned they just kept covering him more and more because he was genuinely in with a shot and others were so beige and samey.
Some are angry at the media for this, but has they not reported the crazy things that Trump was saying and doing then they wouldn't have been doing their job.
The really crazy part is, all those things he said and did, and that the media gave coverage to, didn't put people off voting for him.
fikme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:42:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and with every bad article , Hillary and her camp got big headed. This is why trump became a billionaire .. he m own how to side track competitors
fletchindubai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:23:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Hillary's camp hugely underestimated three things -
How disliked she is by many people.
The moral repugnance of the populace who it seems don't care about the sexism, racism, etc of Trump.
Just how socially right wing so many people in America are. I'm not saying all Trump voters are racists, but they were clearly happy to vote for one as their leader.
fikme ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:09:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think also she undermines the real frustration people have in the economy .. people are tired of terrorism as it can affect anyone at any given time.. she didn't fully address what she's going to do about it or if she would do anything , illegal immigration has always been an issue, naturally people hate it , but because of Clinton camp and media , they make it seem like if you hate illegal immigrants you are racist on a way.. which is not true . They twisted his words and made it seem as if he said he hates all immigrants , which any person with a. Rain can differentiate the two .. she learnt a big lesson , a hhuugggee lesson .. trump told them he was going to win Florida , I'm sure they rolled their eyes .. this guys confidence is beyond .. I'm Australian , but watching American politics this year has been very entertaining.. in Australia , illegal immigrants are just that .. you get caught on a train with the wrong ticket , they ask for your ID, you don't have ID , you are taken to police station , you are illegal ? Yeah you get deported .. simple as that .. on USA chief of LAPD and other states saying they will not be supporting the deportation of illegal criminals, and you are the police ????? Crazy
Trolljaboy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:04:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had to compete against 16 other people. Once he got out of the primaries he cooled down a bit.
NorthBlizzard ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:13:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This thread keeps talking about the difference between how he acted before and how he acted when he ran but it's all deflections. There was no difference. He was never racist/secist/hateful, it's the left wing media making him out to be that way.
Same reason Romney and McCain weren't racist or sexist before running against Obama, suddenly were, then all of a sudden aren't again in present time.
Eggmont ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:22:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really have to disagree on that one. Watching him in debates and rallies he came across as all of those things and was more than willing to embolden people with far worse views
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:57:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because thats what the media conditioned you to think.
Eggmont ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:18:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know, those are my views.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:50:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they are
red_280 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except he actually did say racist/sexist/hateful things. The 'left wing media' aren't biased for simply reporting things he actually said, and they certainly weren't taking that stuff out of context. It's nice to know Trump might be a pretty decent guy in reality but let's not conveniently ignore all the hateful shit that's come out of his mouth.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:00:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When? Link pls.
Squared73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4r2yxs/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is/
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4r58wo/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is/
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:01:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL did you even read what you linked me? It says he valued women as harer workers than men and so liked to hire them
Get the fuck outta my face with your hate and slander fam. Im done here
NEXT
rohishimoto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:40:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Nice deflection. There are like a good 50 more times where he said dispatching things to them. Did YOU even read the article? I just did, and altgough it said that, it also said much more bad stuff lol. I think you're just being selectively biased.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:44 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
blahblahblah-I'mnotlistening-blahblahnahnahnahblah
rohishimoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:45 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:23:25 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
das you mayne
rohishimoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:17 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha how is that me if I actually read it and you just read one sentence that 'proved' your point to invalidate all the other bits of info?
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:36:10 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
look mate, i'll give you a tip: log off reddit, switch off that screen, and go outside
rohishimoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:46 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've made like 10 comments in the past 24 hours, mostly on mobile on my commute. You've almost made 40. I think it's safe to say you're the one who should be going outside.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:16 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit you're right D:
CykoNuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:54 on February 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People always send me these links. After going through them, I can't find any hard evidence that he's racist. His words get chopped up or put out of context. And if his dad was racist, or the he had racist clients doesn't mean he's racist. I watched a ton of his speeches, and source video on his "racist" speeches, and it's not what the media says. I came across this piece written by a doctor who hates trump, but explains why Trump won. Keep calling Trump racist, and we will get Trump for 8 years.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/
immaanuel ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wanted to ban muslims from the US for an unspecified amount of time. That is literally textbook racism straight from his mouth
He said he groped women, how is that not sexism/horrible?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:37:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ant_guy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:41:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but this sort of rhetoric leads to fear and hatred towards anyone who looks Middle Eastern, even if they aren't Muslim.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:44:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ant_guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:00:28 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is that people with radical intentions represent such a small group in comparison to the Muslim population.
Including the 9/11 attack in New York, there have been 10 terrorist attacks on US soil perpetrated by a total of 31 people over a 15 year period. The current estimated Muslim population is 3.3 million people. That means that these attacks were perpetrated by 0.0009% of the US Muslim population. Creating a registry of Muslim citizens is basically a fascist intrusion into the privacy of American citizens in the US for very little gain for the same reason that creating a registry of gun owners is a fascist intrusion into the lives of firearm enthusiasts.
immaanuel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, he's not a racist, he's a bigot. Happy? And he said he wanted US citizen muslims to be registered as well, so it is definitely bigotry
Okay, but it's random women not his wife LMAO. IF you can't tell the difference you're irredeemable. Groping your GF/wife is fine if she's okay with it. Go in public and grab random women and you'll get a much different reaction.
You can be sexist and promote women, racist and promote blacks, etc. It isn't 0 or 100%. This is the same logic that leads to "I can't be racist, I have a black friend". It doesn't work. Just because he's promoted women doesn't mean he's not a bigot
Trump supporters man lmao
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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rohishimoto ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:48:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being old doesn't exempt yu from being racist or on this case misogynistic. Do you really think Bernie is as misogynistic as Donald?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:33 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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immaanuel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:48 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that doesn't mean it isn't scummy.
why is every trump supporters defense to blame bill clinton. Bill AND trump can both be scumbags, and Bill isn't currently in office. And many people have disliked clinton so it isn't like he's scott free
????
LMAO
Every other country is making attempts to lower their climate impact, and the US is now about to increase its
Just because the climate would still warm up doesn't mean we shouldn't mitigate it. What logic is that? "Well things are already sorta fucked so let's completely fuck it up because XD".
And coastal cities (aka the biggest, richest, most profitable cities) will flood and cause millions of refugees and economic devastation and death, so a much bigger than the relatively few terror attacks.
cursedcassandra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:41:17 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Muslim American registery story is another propaganda news lie. BTW Trump got 3x the number of Muslim votes as Romney did according to care. The Muslim countries in the ME that are secular are ecstatic that he's been elected so they don't believe the media lies either. Trump knows the Sharia Law jihad Muslim's threaten our Muslim citizens and he wants to protect them.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:22:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Wzup ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:32:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But CNN told me he was!
cool_as_fire ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:36:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I think a lot of people are missing is he has sat down and come up with good policies. It takes two seconds to go to his website and see them.
Eggmont ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have, they weren't there in the primary and even now I find them sorely lacking in a number of ways
Commyende ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:36:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were there in the primaries (mostly), and he gave a series of policy speeches that everyone seemed to ignore.
curias00 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:16:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Trump has written about media manipulation for years. The reason he isn't beloved yet is because he beat the globalists the fuck back, and they control the media.
TyphoonOne ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:21:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain why "Globalist" is a dirty word? Shouldn't we all be working towards a more integrated and equal world where all humans are treated the same and have the same opportunities? That's the definition of globalist that I understand, and I find it hard to comprehend why people would be against this. Thanks for your answer.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:17:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some economists will argue that no tariffs on trade are good for everyone involved. countries will play to their strengths, and both as a whole will be better off.
This ignores many realities. The one that strikes home for many Americans is how, since other workers are cheaper, many jobs that do not require physical presence can be shipped overseas.
Another is the fact that this does not help societal inequalities: Higher profit margin activities are relatively monopolized by the rich countries, and then some of the smartest people in the poorer countries will brain drain to the rich ones.
Finally, in a truly globalist society, people can own and run businesses across borders. So, someone can take advantage of one countries benefits, but then take the profit/final benefits and move it towards a different place.
The arguments against globalism are very similar to the arguments against trickle down economics.
TyphoonOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, of course. What's the harm in that? A worker in the developing world is of just as much value as any other worker, in my nation or otherwise. I'm not sure why I should place a priority on people simply because they live in my nation โ a human is a human, no matter the country.
I can certainly see this, but is this really a globalism problem or an economic inequality problem?
curias00 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:44:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Globalism as it's used currently by the media, is thought of as some worldwide utopia. What it really is, is billionaires, royalty, heads of mega corporations, lobbyists, politicians, working together to gain complete control over the resources of the world. It's the powerful, working together to put the right people (puppets) in place, to ensure their power grows. These are the George Soros types, (currently funding the riots all over the US), the Rockefeller types (bankers who profit off of war), and Monsanto types (corporation that is taking control of the worldwide food market by persecuting and bankrupting smaller farmers).
Trump is a direct threat to their stranglehold on all facets of our lives, and his run at the presidency was aimed directly at them. That's why their friends in the mass media (Murdoch, Ted Turner, cable conglomerate types) made it their mission to destroy him. He proved too much, but it's far from over.
Their intentions aren't what you think they are. I'm not the best at articulating this either. Watch a full length Alex Jones film, or start with "America: Freedom to Fascism" for a start if you're interested.
immaanuel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't trump the exact same type of person you mentioned. A rich businessman with ties to political people
Hell, he ran on a platform of drain the swamp and he's now filling his cabinet with textbook establishment. Doesn't that put him in that same camp?
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curias00 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:28:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's rich, but not a globalist, and not beholden to them. See his tweet to Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal as a pretty decent example.
Have you taken a look at what's happened with his cabinet since yesterday?
I honestly don't give a fuck what you think of Alex Jones; he's been calling out the Clintons on their bs since the 90s, same with the Bush family. He recognized the faux 2 party system before anyone else.
TyphoonOne ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:42:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're a batshit conspiracy theorist, but thanks for your contribution. It should be obvious, as I believe it is for most of us here, that the people you claim are "in charge" of this globalist order are far to disorganized... "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" is a razor that is pretty universal, and goes directly against your concept here.
Why are riots caused by George Soros? Why is it not understandable that some people in this nation are upset and scared of a Trump presidency due to some of his comments, and they would make their displeasure known?
Why must war be caused in order to make a profit? Is it not enough that one group of people is upset with another, and choose to resolve those disagreements with arms?
Why is Monsanto automatically evil? Isn't it possible that farmers actively broke contracts with Monsanto to not hold seeds from year to year, and were suit for this breech? Does it really have to be part of some global conspiracy to rule us all?
Nobody has a stranglehold on anyone's life... I'm not sure why you think that. The only thing I can suggest is that your response to seeing a confusing and broken world of other imperfect humans is to assume that there are some people who are evil and causing deliberately causing harm, which just tells me that you're not putting effort into imagining other people, like Soros, the Rockefellers, or Monsanto, as other humans, equivalent to yourself, with their own motivations.
We're all humans. Nobody's (well, very few people's) goal in life is to make other people's lives worse. People are good, even if sometimes it seems like their actions can cause a lot of shit for others.
curias00 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:50:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah im completely batshit. Here's a tip: don't come out of the gates screaming insults, or people will continue to not give a shit what you think.
cursedcassandra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:07:05 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You seem well meaning but inexperienced and indoctrinated more than educated. When you want to know the truth that is well documented about Soros and the Globalists agenda you can easily find info on you tube and google. BTW all MSM is Pravda level propaganda. Often flat out lies. They are not just biased. They lie on purpose. Again, Wikileaks of Pedestas emails laid this scandal out but it was only covered on citizen news sites. It seems you're way out of the info loop. Good luck.
alamohero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:40:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, and the election would have just gone to some other mainstream republican and nothing would ever change
AVerySkilledAsian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a conspiracy theory about him. It's not really a conspiracy theory but close though. Anyways, the way it goes is Donald was trying to get brand recognition in a crazy elaborate advertising campaign. So he got all the media coverage he could and spewed the nastiest shit to kill his campaign and walk away. Turns out it didn't matter and he won. So imagine him with his campaign advisers saying "Okay folks we had a good run it's time to shut it down" "Let's build a wall and keep out muslims til we know what the hell is going on!". I don't believe it's true but it's funny to think about.
juanconj_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly makes me wonder a lot of stuff, but I've come to leave it at "He was acting". Views on him vary a lot outside the US (Southamerican here), but I honestly hated the guy (maybe I still do, idk).
However, I think it is clear the stories don't show the same person everyone saw during the elections, being fed by the media or not, one of them is who he really is, but we're not talking about the same personality.
SimpleJack_durrrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing. Pretend your a nice guy who wants to run for office but you understand how hopelessly attracted to drama and craziness America is. You realize that appealing to the emotional nature of people is much more effective then the rational nature of people. You realize that appealing to the rational nature of people is less likely to get you elected especially if other people speak to emotions more and more. What do you do? The "right" thing an lose out to a candidate who make that emotional appeal or do you appeal to the emotions to get into office and stay popular while doing what you can to change things rationally as you see fit or to your best ability because you can't do anything close to it if you lose the race?
I'm not saying this does or doesn't describe Donny Trump but if it does do you understand and or agree with the approach?
SimpleJack_durrrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing. Pretend your a nice guy who wants to run for office but you understand how hopelessly attracted to drama and craziness America is. You realize that appealing to the emotional nature of people is much more effective then the rational nature of people. You realize that appealing to the rational nature of people is less likely to get you elected especially if other people speak to emotions more and more. What do you do? The "right" thing an lose out to a candidate who make that emotional appeal or do you appeal to the emotions to get into office and stay popular while doing what you can to change things rationally as you see fit or to your best ability because you can't do anything close to it if you lose the race?
I'm not saying this does or doesn't describe Donny Trump but if it does do you understand and or agree with the approach?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you've spelled out why he won. He won by saying actual "stuff" if you will, lots and lots of stuff that anyone can understand. Some of it good, some bad, but it was so different than the way a politician talks that it worked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want an answer to that question, just ask Rand Paul
Think of Trump like a startup. They do a ton of testing with their messaging, they run lean (Trump had like a fourth of Hillary's staff), they do outrageous things to get free press, and they hire and fire fast (think of the revolving door of campaign managers)
ed_merckx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a strong republican I point this out all the time. Our primary system is ass backwards stupid. You need to get a lot of momentum in the early states like Iowa and new hampshire (then you roll into the deep south) before you get to big states that start to matter. This often leads our candidiates to force out the ultra right conservative views which are non starters in the general election.
Fact is in these primaries you need big local personalities to help you campaign, the evangelicals in the south, community leaders in Iowa, etc. Especially Iowa which isn't even just a straight up popular vote, very fragmented process and you have to play the game. Some of these community leaders will straight up ask you what your stance is on gay marraige/abortion/welfare. And you have to be right wing with it, can't be a little progressive or you get no support and will trail off. Just the way it is, the attention you get in the debates, media, Bill oriley doesn't want to interview the moderate conservative who is running in 10th place after the first dozen primaries. And in the debate the moderator doesn't want to ask them about their policy of increase our total factor productivity by removing inefficient land use and zoning regulations.
You have to be loud, crash, and pander hard to the base that comes out in the primaries. Make someplace like California, AZ, new york, flordia, ohio, wesconsin, etc the first few states and it would fix a lot of this.
Deadpan9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like Kevin Smith's view of the Superman dichotomy, that Clark Kent is a judgement on humanity, where he has to act meek, mild-mannered, and unwilling to risk himself for anybody else in order to fit in with other humans.
Eggmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting thought. Though Superman is an imperfect example since there is also a practical element to his disguise being the opposite of his true self. Plus it's not totally irrational to have some serious concerns about the existence of one man with the power to do basically anything he wants with the world. But I'm just nitpicking
wetryagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's also famous for making people feel special one on one. That makes him more of a manipulative person than a sincerely nice guy, doesn't it?
Minato2025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:30 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doubtful, the problem with the GOP primaries and debates is that there were WAY too many candidates, which is why everyone thought that Jeb Bush (because of his family name) and Ted Cruz (cuban and super conservative) were sure fire winners. He used the media's thirst for juicy controversial stories against them to stand out from the 8+ candidates.
Tarheels059 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, I think we all know the answer to that.
hellowiththepudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how much of the positive stories bring visible reflects on reddit's swing to trump love over the last week.
Bump-4-Trump ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has great policies. The left sided spectrum doesnt ever talk about em. Look up his 1st 100days plan. Goto his site DonaldJTrump.com
Hes on top of it. The progressive media machine just attacks republicans. Nothing new, really.
Eggmont ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read them, nothing particularly impressed me but a whole lot worries me a great deal. Expanding an already hilariously bloated millitary, a tax plan that will add trillions to the debt, a wall that Mexico will never pay for and a whole lot of bland platitudes about improving things with no real road map for how
dibetta ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 22:17:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't doubt that for a second!
SerenityNow312 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:48:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're right!
sdhov ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:26:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"He probably just acted the way he did to get attention, and get his name in front of America."
So a nice guy has to act like an ass, or else no one would care. This makes me so depressed.
Deplorable_Basket ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:48:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
More like a someone competing against basically unlimited money needs to say things that get the media focused on him in order to get their message out there and win.
sdhov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more than that. There is tapping into anger, there is simplifying things so they can fit into a short speech, a tweet or a 1 minute feature in the news. Then there is your run-of-the mill campaign smear. I still think it was an awful campaign. And you cannot just justify everything that Trump said. For example, what he said about McCain being a POW. What was the point of that? Was it necessary, was it justified? Was there seriously no other ways to catch media attention?
Deplorable_Basket ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:05:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say he was perfect but you cannot deny he played the media like fiddle.
Also, simplifying statements into easily digestible statements is a fantastic way to get your message out in easily digestible manner.
sdhov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he got a ton of free coverage, but in a dirty way imho. Of course, media does share some blame into being all over it, and people do to for being excited over things like this, instead of more useful statements, e.g. on policy.
I am not saying simplifying is a bad thing. Every politician does it. "We will reduce a number of immigrants.. well except a few sectors that are underemployed, and those where american manufacturing cannot be made internationally competitive with the current cost of basic materials and wages." does not sound nearly as exciting as "wall! huge wall. Less people will mean more jobs and higher salaries!" Let's wait and see how his experts treat those nuances, because that's what actually matters.
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:11:37 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you really care to get an answer I suggest Stefan Molyneaux The Untruth About Trump on You Tube. If not, stop asking please.
DuplexFields ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:25 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the All-American bigger-than-life show. Circus magnate P.T. Barnum made it the American way, Vince McMahon perfected kayfabe making pro wrestling a story instead of a sport, Ronald Reagan turned acting into acting presidential, and Donald Trump owns it big-league.
Trump is friends with Vince McMahon, king of the WWF / WWE, and after finding that out, I realized the Republican Convention was pure kayfabe, even including a "heel turn" for Cruz.
Similarly, Michael Jackson played up his own weirdness on purpose to keep his name in the news, which came back to bite him when people started saying, "He has a private amusement park and a monkey, so maybe he also diddles kids." The big show can come at a big cost, but it's a big high in its own right, so you gotta know when to get off the ride.
kcazduke ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:34:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That might be so. Nice is not moral, or selfless, or wholesome. Anyone can put on a pleasant smile and make polite conversation, especially out in public. Doubly so when they have a public reputation to protect. But even someone who will shake your hand and wish you well can be a ruthless businessman, a narcissistic bigot, or a womanizer.
Nice is not a measure of a person's character. Nice just means you know how to act polite.
SquanchingOnPao ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:47:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad to say I can't tell whether you are implying he is actually a nice guy or pretended to be nice to people.
jedieaston ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:25:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first one. I'll try to make it more clear.
HamburgerMachineGun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference? Honestly asking
Little_chicken_hawk ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:45:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or he really is a nice guy and the media lied to you.
vhiran ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:40:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Media lied to everyone, trying to pretend this was a squash match for Hillary when she was one of the worst candidates to ever be shat out by the political machine. They were just like the DNC. "IT'S HER TURN" no bitches, you have to earn victory, and she didnt.
somecallmemrjones ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:27:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said awful things at his rallies and in his speeches. These things are recorded on video. Believe it or not, that actually IS Trump saying those awful things, not the media. It's pretty tough for a news company to stay in business if they lie about something someone said when we have video evidence of what was actually said. Not sure what you're referring to
Dapperdan814 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:59:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you watch those speeches, unedited, in their entirety, or only what your favorite media channels chose to show you?
sk8tergater ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:46:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to one of his rallies. I work for a small local publication as a photographer and I scored press credentials to a rally. I was scared enough when I left the rally to hide my press credentials and was extremely thankful my camera bag is well disguised. He whipped the crowd up into such a furor. It was amazing to watch. After the rally was over, a wall of police officers had to keep the attendees from attacking protestors.
Now did he say anything too outlandish at the rally? Yes and no. He said in the old days, you could punch people while one protestor was dragged out. One protestor was a black guy and he said something about "those people" which could be taken as either a slur or talking about protestors. What got me was the media manipulation. He had us all in a pen. We had to get there two hours early and once in the pen we couldn't leave and then come back in (this is all very unusual, just as a heads up). So there's about fifty of us in this pen, huge cameras from CNN, Fox etc. These cameras are set up in a way that they can't really be moved. These aren't regional news cameras, these are the big guys. During the rally he kept talking about media and how the media was against him, causing the crowd to turn around to look at us and scream at us throughout the hour. He said, "these media people, they'll never show you the size of my crowds. They are afraid of the amount of people that come hear me speak." Well. I WOULD HAVE taken photos if I were allowed outside the pen. The cameras would swivel to show the crowds IF THEY COULD have. He manipulated the media just as much as he blames the media of manipulating everything else.
He finished the rally with his pledge that he was doing there for awhile that was vaguely reminiscent of the "heil hitler" salute.
I covered a Bernie rally two days later and was treated like a person. Again, very small local publication, these people in the audience know my work, they see it almost every day. They know my name, they know I'm not part of the giant corrupt media machine, and yet I still left afraid they'd turn on me. That's his power. It's not in what he said at the rally, but how he said it. And I think media manipulation aside, it's pretty clear he's said some hugely divisive things over the course of his campaign.
Scribeykins ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:05:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you provide those videos of him saying awful things? Cause a lot of what he said was taken out of context and blown out of proportion. (not saying you're lying, I just want to see what you think those awful things are)
For example, the media reported (repeatedly) that Trump called Mexicans rapists, or that he said Mexican immigrants are rapists. Meanwhile, what he actually did, was say that illegal immigrants from Mexico include drug dealers, criminals, rapists, and some good people. He didn't say anything about Mexicans as a race, nor did he even say that all illegal immigrants were rapists.
BTW since I asked you for links, here's 4 news sites saying that he called Mexicans rapists: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-2016-donald-trump-defends-calling-mexican-immigrants-rapists/ http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37230916 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-mexicans-rapists_us_57eeb77ce4b082aad9bb342d http://news.sky.com/story/five-insults-donald-trump-has-fired-at-mexicans-in-the-presidential-race-10559438
jayohh8chehn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He fucking said John McCain is not a hero because he was captured by the enemy. He fucking attacked a Gold Star family. Any other time, especially if Barack Hussein Obama or Shillary did that they'd immediately be disqualified. For fuck sakes. You're talking to people who have memories.
Bnjoec ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:34:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this election cycle didn't show you the media lies idk what help we could offer you.
aznhomig ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:11:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking seriously. If anyone still trusts the media after this election, they're hopelessly blue pilled and confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:15:18 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched every single rally in full from the beginning. There was only love and hope and inclusively except when paid DNC thugs and haters showed up to try to scare people into not listening to Trumps uplifting message.
GenericOnlineName ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:58:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't a super cut of taken out of context things. He legitimately said these things.
elfgirl1317 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:32:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My issue is, a person who's genuinely nice doesn't turn around and say things that makes the KKK love them.
A person who's good at pretending to be nice, does.
JAKPiano3412 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:02:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did he say, specifically, that you think would make the KKK support him? Because from what I know, they're Conservatives, albeit with a slightly crazy tinge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stuff he has said about Mexican and Muslim immigrants.
JAKPiano3412 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:39:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean how he said a portion of Mexican illegal immigrants are rapists? I mean, I guess so, but I'd think most people would agree on that.
jayohh8chehn ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm when it took him 48 hours before he sarcastically said "I disavow. OK. I disavow". Prior to that he pretended to not know who David Duke was when Duke first urged his followers to support Trump.
JAKPiano3412 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:51:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, you're not answering my question. And Trump was expected to know all the leaders of the KKK? Hillary was the one friends with Robert Byrd.
TMWNN ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:04:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Communist Party USA endorsed Obama's reelection in 2012. Only a moron would think that that impugned on Obama as a legitimate candidate for the presidency.
The KKK is a few thousand idiots in nowheresville USA. Its utter, total, complete, 100%, entire, massive irrelevance in American politics cannot be overstated.
HamburgerMachineGun ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:43:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A person who's good at pretending that hes not nice, does, too
ntheg111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This.
Besides Scott Adams, nobody seems/wants to get this. Trump wrote a frigging book about using this tactic, and people think he's dumb despite proving them wrong.
Like, do people actually think Melania accidently had a line from Michelle's speech in hers? They think they what, copied it accidentally? Coincidence?
Love him or hate him, the guy is no dummy. Check out how Trump uses the reality TV technique to win. Its a few months old now, which id say makes it even more relevant in hindsight.
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:13:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even the "persona" you put on to 'get your name in front of America' says a lot about you as a person. I doubt Trump would have said the things he did if he didn't tend to believe them.
BrockManstrong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would ask if any of these stories have been independently verified before committing them to gospel.
Reflexic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue with that is in a way he has given bigots and racists permission to act the way they do.
jedieaston ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did recently say in that interview that he didn't (or no longer does) approve of what the racists are doing.
Reflexic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How convenient. Pushing racist views is only OK as long as you are running for election.
Wzup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you please link me to the source of one of his racist comments?
Reflexic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/jun/08/donald-trumps-racial-comments-about-judge-trump-un/
When he makes several statements during his campaign on judges based on their race and it being a barrier to them doing their job, come on.
lezgetreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of these stories might also not be real..
If he acted the way he acted to get attention does that really make him a good guy?
mil_phickelson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he just did whatever it took to win. And it worked.
Teklag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See guys. We're gonna be fineeeeeeeeee
Welsing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has been my theory all along
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean the way he was shown to be acting
otis_the_drunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it surprising that he won an election in America by being loud and kinda racist? That is what a good portion of this country is. . . loud and kinda racist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to believe that, but his appointment choices tell me he's not such a great guy.
FormalChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah trump had a TV show. He's an actor. He acts.
Flamesmcgee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the grab-them-by-the-pussy thing, that one was part of his pro campaign life.
cliffordtaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't campaign for the presidency. He marketed for it.
gopms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always maintained that Donald Trump is not the problem, the problem is that millions of people voted for him based on the campaign that he ran. That is terrifying.
soyeahiknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... There was a big article from a few years ago about when the trump tower was being built. He used a non-union crew to do the demolition of the previous building which consisted of mainly Polish/ East European immigrants. The only reason all these details are known is due to a lawsuit for failing to pay them their salary.
SaviourS3LF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. America loves cocky assholes. Look at Connor McGregor. He puts on that persona better than anyone
Medfly70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If true that's a sad indictment of the country that all this bat shit rhetoric got people riled up.
Joachimsthal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or these are all Russian sockpuppet accounts.
my-stereo-heart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figured he had to be at least somewhat charismatic in private because it always seems like he goes into debates with politicians that hate him (Paul Ryan, Obama, etc.) and comes out with a pretty solid compromise. If he were really that much of a hardass nobody would play ball with him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figured a lot of what he said was hot air. Even the racist, sexist, etc things; him trying to play a part. However he did end up selecting Pence, who is known very well for his homophobia and sexism toward women and wanting to infringe on women's birth control laws. So that does make me wonder if he actually does side with the more awful things he said during elections. I suppose only time will tell.
MoistStallion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention all the dirt that the media and clinton campaign was throwing at him. That probably ticked him off because obviously a lot of it was just public manipulation and false
feralstank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Either that or this entire thing is an elaborate ruse.
SaloL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've considered two things:
First, I've heard he's a really competitive guy. Perhaps he treats "underlings" (for lack of a better term) with respect but those he's more on par with on in competition with differently, whether it's trying to ruffle them up or something.
Another point I've heard is, if you map his attitude during the election, it's almost a perfect "ruffian turn good guy" trope, where, in the beginning, he's sort of unwieldy and rude (perfect for grabbing attention), but toward the end he became more respectful and "presidential" (while still getting some good quips in every once in a while). Think of Han Solo when he went from smuggler to saving the day; people love that stuff. I can't say for certain, obviously, but it was an interesting thing to think about.
losjoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah kinda weird how conflicting all the information is.
madhousechild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His policy comes from caring. It's just painted as racist in soundbites.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He played the media. He knew they would try to turn him into a public spectacle and a figure of fun and ridicule so he fueled the fire enough that he was everywhere. Compare how much attention Trump got to Mitt Romney. That's campaign success. The media got hoodwinked so fucking bad that they couldn't even comprehend what was happening.
rhinobutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to think that "Trump from The Apprentice" is the one who ran for president, rather than actual Trump. Like a lot of "reality" TV, the guy in the show is actually an exaggerated version of the real person, but now real Trump has the job.
bimbo_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think about it. He's a salesman at heart. He just came up with the right elements to sell a presidential candidate to the frustrated and dispossessed parts of America which he believes he can work to renew.
mulduvar2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ding ding ding ding
Say something slightly outlandish. Media spends 15 minutes talking about "candidate trump" on every channel.
No exposure is bad exposure they say.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe he is normal. I believe most people are mostly nice, especially public figures. Trump still seems to have some sexism problems and possibly racism. People are complicated.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, he still is a nice guy, and the media just portrayed him as otherwise. Because where did you get your information on how Trump was during the election cycle? From first hand accounts like this, or from videos?
m477m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise, I'm sure Lady Gaga doesn't wear the dress made of meat around the house.
mancubuss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he's not a trained politician. He just talks. For a year every word has been dissected. Imagine if that happened with you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll say this as a person that has worked in some fairly nice restaurants: Trump is a above all a service man.
No matter your opinion, tastes, or anything else he will cater to you. His opinions he will keep to himself. He can smile at your jokes and talk about how terrible they were back in the kitchen. Or not. His public image is very curated and poised.
I have coworkers exactly like this. They will serve you your food and you will get the best service in the city. They will then go to the back and show their coworkers their porn that they are watching about a lemon stealing whore and they will start discussing that.
It's why I really don't give a shit what he says, but I do acknowledge he's been through a couple bankruptcies and we have heard some of his "locker room talk". I watch him a little bit more knowing how my coworkers were and my bosses were, I was an odd man out in a big way. That being said, it doesn't take a good person to put on a good face.
platypus_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
from what I've heard he's good to employees and customers but when it comes to suppliers and similar he can be a real asshole
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except now hes hiring deplorables
I almost feel like hes the figurehead of a large "donor"
Invisibleufo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly and by saying outrageous things you get more media coverage
Highly_Literal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:07:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has always loved legal filipรจs
Gort_84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he is then he made a Faustian Bargain and it will come to collect...
SylvasTheCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was all part of the plan.
swamp_drainer3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Primary Trump and Campaign Trump were both characters he was playing. President Trump will be another, different character on top of those two.
JTPri123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump does say in the book he kinda sorta wrote (its debated, hes a co-author) that his strategy is to be excessive and over the top to garner attention and free media coverage, which he seems to have followed well. I do think his campaign personality was for show, though I don't know what to expect from him when hes in office.
Shippy_McShipface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/gallery/HO5TT might be pertinent...
simkessy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't really act poorly in the campaign in my opinion.
smokeey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read The Art of the Deal. An entire chapter on media manipulation.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's at least one quote from him talking about how much the media loves a good story. He just gave people what they wanted.
Of course that means we have literally no idea what a Trump presidency looks like, he could be shit, average, great, who knows?
like_with_a_cloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:51 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a great video, and I forget the YouTube channel, but it talks exactly about how Trump's language and mannerisms in primaries was intentional. You have 17 people vying to be the nominee, you have to stand out.
Tohoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:33 on December 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's more like your grandpa that's the most wonderful human being you know until you start talking about politics, especially racial politics. People can be pretty contradictory - plenty of the most motivated Social Justice advocates whose aims are noteworthy and incredibly cruel interpersonally, and plenty of "build the wall" trumpistas that wouldn't blink twice about helping a Mexican family if their car broke down near their house.
People are many, contain multitudes.
lovelyzinnia44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:35 on February 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of a male version of disney star syndrome. The nice ones no longer work in Hollywood while the trashy ones remain. In politics, the more tough or mean you appear to be, the better.
WakkkaFlakaFlame ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:53:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Big D
fiddlenutz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:46:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's of Scottish and German heritage. Groร McD
Ajajp_Alejandro ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:39:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's just "Felipe", with no accent.
nzo7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say the same. I guess OP did it to make it look mexican.
dibetta ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:27:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ah my bad. I just guess i associate the "ay" sound with "รฉ". Honest mistake!
DieArschgeige ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The accent means that the syllable is stressed. So the name you wrote is feliPAY.
badchris ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 21:55:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After having such a great experience with him personally, how do you feel about having your mind changed by the media?
dibetta ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 22:15:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll probably be downvoted, but honestly i kinda held onto some shred of belief that a lot less worse than the media portrays him, but nonetheless was exposed to his character flaws. Yeah he says some crazy stuff, but idk. I'll still always remember meeting him and for how he acted extremely professionally around everyone.
If there's one thing to portray that he's like "better than everyone" or whatever, he would sometimes land his helicopter on the course, and then just have any of the member who were playing move to the side of the few holes he wanted to play, but nobody I ever talked to minded about him doing that.
"He owns the course, I don't mind waiting a few minutes" was the general response I got from members
SoupyWolfy ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 22:44:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually a lot of humor packed into that picture. Donald wants to play at his own golf course, so he interrupts whoever is playing so he can go through. Except instead of driving his golf cart around, he gets into his motherfucking helicopter after every hole and scoots on to the next one.
I can only imagine if I was playing some random golf course owned by Donald Trump and the man himself descends from the sky. I would actually be quite excited to get bumped by Trump. Even if it puts me behind schedule, what a great story.
dibetta ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:26:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I worded it a little poorly, he would land the helicopter on the course, and then have his personal golf cart that goes like 2x faster than all the others there for him that he'd drive around the course and have people move over
Remmib ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:24:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahaha, wow this thread is awesome.
MikeBaker31 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:24:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol all I can imagine now is a new level to golf where instead of carts we all get full size helicopters to fly from 1 hit to the next ... Then power all the way down for silence while I slice the hell outta this drive and end up hovering over the pond while chipping in my next shot.
svenhoek86 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 22:23:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Respect given where earned. Plus, like they said, he owns the course, who the fuck is going to tell him where to land his helicopter on it?
Hell, everything I read about him makes him sound like he would wait his turn if someone really didn't want to stop for him.
hellrazzer24 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:44:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 2020 when he runs for re-election, we'll actually be able to debate his policy against his challenger instead of all this "racist, sexist, bigot" crap. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a saint. But the media turned him into a monster when he's likely just a below-average dude attitude-wise.
Xalteox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:42:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading all these replies really makes him seem bipolar, he actually seems like a really cool dude reading these replies. I have had a bit of a theory for a while that Trump actually put up an act during the campaign to exploit right wing anger, and his actions after his election seem to be somewhat supporting that.
I use to really not like the dude. Now I don't know what to think.
roughtimes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You were a chauffeur for a"ball picker upper"?
Edit: /r/dadjokes
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:59:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He drove the machine that picks up the balls on the practice range.
Fractureskull ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:00:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you mean the moving target?
dibetta ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:16:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
for the record, its scary as shit when someone actually hits you head on the front windshield in those things. Its so loud and usually you're just so zoned out while picking balls that it jolts you back into reality
Fractureskull ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 22:20:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I always kind of assumed they would be used to it and my efforts were futile, but this right here, this motivates me.
dibetta ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:23:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually the sides are metal grates and are super loud and jostling, but seeing a golf ball hurling at you through the plastic non-shatter proof front windshield is like stomach turning. I never used to get mad or anything, obviously people are going to target you in that thing
TalkinPlant ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:01:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're seriously asking, there is a big machine that scoops up all of the balls on a driving range. Looks like a converted tractory thing...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HSIio49KmNw/maxresdefault.jpg
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:06:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is super cool
TalkinPlant ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, they have a large grate on the sides because they make fantastic moving targets.
roughtimes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:19:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats quite cool actually.
cinepro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:54:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's Mr. Ball Picker Upper to you.
dibetta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well i kinda worked two jobs that got smushed into 1: I drove the machine that picks up the balls on the practice range, but i also parked cars for members and such.
TheDevilsAgent ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:09:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump said some crazy stuff. But the media basically has portrayed him far worse than what he says. Hell, ESPN since the election has been anti-Trump story after anti-Trump story. You'd think it was MSNBC it's been so unwatchable to me.
tonguepunchfartboxAA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't watched ESPN in a long while. They have political pieces these days?!?
pldl ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. But they constantly focus on Politically Correct stuff and being as PC as possible, and Trump was the anti-PC this election, so they constantly talked about him.
yeadoge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When it relates to sports in some way, they do. For instance, today they ran a story saying 3 NBA teams had pulled out of staying at Trump branded hotels. Not really relevant to sports fandom, but relevant politically.
TMWNN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:07:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In addition to /u/pidl, /u/TheDevilsAgent, and /u/yeadoge's answers, it got to the point where the network's own public editor admitted on election day that ESPN had moved leftward:
but then ...
Sigh
TheDevilsAgent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's typical Jemele Hill. She experienced a date rape in college, so of course every possible charge against an athlete is a pulpit for her to express how guilty the athlete must be. Her takes on Jameis were disgusting.
intcompetent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wait a minute
DickieDawkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But everyone tells me he's racist and hates mexicans, this obviously can't be true!
iammanlyman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Call me foolish, (I am as moderate as moderate can be... social liberal and slightly right of center fiscally), but Trump ran a campaign about "winning" and "I promise America will win". Given all the personal accounts about him being charitable and kind outside of business, and not only hiring minorities and women, but giving them positions of great responsibility in his organization.... I suspect the man just knew what he needed to do to win. Equally, I believe he'll generally govern squarely from the middle - with a bit of pandering to the right (I mean NOBODY is going to overthrow Roe v. Wade - it'll never happen - and Trump is smart enough to know that those things are distractions anyway).
I've thought this from day 1 - that he simply knew the messages he had to sell to resonate with middle America, and since he had enough skeletons in the closet, he could afford to be brash about it - after all, he had to shred like 15 other republicans to get the nod.
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the media lies
Steven054 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The consensus that I've made from this thread is that personal Trump, is very, very different than the Trump "persona".
dibetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah well that kinda makes sense
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felipe was probably a legal immigrant, he doesn't think twice about those.
dibetta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah i knew felipe pretty well, I'm almost positive he wasn't documented
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, maybe Trump has got us all fooled.
sonicseal2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the whole election was meant for hillary to win and donald was there to make the republican party look really bad, when he won which wasnt supposed to happen no hes got two options, make the republican party look even worse or reveal that hes a secret democrat
missiontodenmark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think there were any undocumented immigrants working there?
dibetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely sure!
mbeezier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Univision told me that Trump hated Mexicans!?!?!?
loveford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your view of him has changed because of the election?
dibetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and no. While obviously we've all been exposed to his wild antics and he makes some crazy remarks, I still partially believe he is a genuine guy and is going to do his best and might even do a good job as president. He obv has some wild ideas that probably aren't going to get any traction, but a lot of his actual policies should play out well, and he already seems to have tuned back the crazy a little
scroom38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to people who have worked with him, trump is extremely good at marketing himself. I'm guessing he saw all the free coverage he was getting and rolled with it.
RowdyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd much rather hear about the ball picker upper. What's it like driving it? Like a tank in a warzone I presume
dibetta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was a lot less powerful than i had envisioned honestly. Once you had a few hundred balls in the baskets it would get a little heavy and you'd have to be careful not to roll over wet spots because you'd rip up the grass. Getting hit by the balls was really jostling and would kinda just snap me back into reality after being zoned out.
Another thing i found myself doing was trying to make the most efficient loops around the various greens and such, but my least favorite thing i ever did was accidentally drive the picker directly into a sandtrap and get it stuck. That wasn't fun explaining to my overseer but shit happens i guess.
Any other questions?! :)
HelpfulPug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just curious, but did your opinions of Trump change because of what you saw him say, or because of what you saw the mainstream news report him saying?
While they might technically be the same thing in some situations, they are undoubtedly tonally different. I recommend going back and looking at Trump's speeches yourself. Not to say you should have supported him, but I always want people to be as aware as possible.
This is also kind of personal to me, since I caught myself irrationally hating the man, and decided to see if I was justified. After some research into the candidates, who their friends were, what they were like as people, and what they were planning to do as POTUS, I concluded that I had been mislead, heavily.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felipรฉ? You mean Felipe?, It hasn't an accent like Josรฉ
fluteitup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to remember media twisted his words A LOT. Perhaps someone like Filipe told Trump how hard it was to get his family in legally due to all the illegals and that stemmed his chatter about a wall
nidnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then trust your initial impression. Meeting someone is real, an election campaign is not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:53 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See I've got no doubt Donald Trump is nice to people one on one, even if I am an anti Trump person. Even giving a hard worker personal housing sounds right.
M6075 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:39 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So after this, did you vote for trump?
[deleted] ยท 327 points ยท Posted at 21:11:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FuzzyGunNuts ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:44:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You head that ma?! Ben Affleck eats grapes! Like a regular person!"
"He don't eat grapes..."
ABCauliflower ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was probably paid to say that
equinnonyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of us are Trump supporters and this happened about 30 years ago. So, no, probably not.
purpleprostitutes ยท 19823 points ยท Posted at 15:40:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've posted this before..
Donald Trump came into the movie theater I used to work at, and I served him at the concession stand. He asked about the flavors of our Slushies, they were White Cherry and Cotton Candy. He got the Cotton Candy. Donald Trump enjoys cotton candy...and I literally know that for a fact forever now. He also paid in exact change.
OnlyPostsSometimes ยท 309 points ยท Posted at 16:44:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What movie did he go to see?
purpleprostitutes ยท 299 points ยท Posted at 16:54:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure...I have a feeling some Johnny Depp movie had just come out, so maybe that?
Spidersandmonsters ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:04:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... please tell me it was the one where Johnny Depp plays Donald Trump.
Mephistophos ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:38:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Title?
OlympusMonsPubis ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 20:57:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal, The Movie". Funny or Die made it before Trump was even the actual Republican Nominee. It's about 50 minutes long, has a good amount of funny cameos and Depp's Trump is fucking hilarious. It actually rejuvenated my love for Johnny Depp, brought him back to the younger guy who would do small projects just for the sake of the work. And it's on Netflix now so go watch it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UK Netflix?
Notpewdiepie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:32:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's on US Netflix and it's shit.
NovaStubble ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:00:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really was underwhelming. The makeup was done well though.
MlCKJAGGER ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:13:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol it wasn't shit, it just made fun of Donald Trump so you probably didn't like it. It's pretty anti-Trump, so I doubt people that voted for him were laughing very hard.
Garmose ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:17:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian piping in here. Imho it was fairly mediocre, had some funny bits, had some boring bits, but it is comedy. Can't please everyone with every piece of comedy.
MlCKJAGGER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm not saying it was a masterpiece by any means, I mean it's only like an hour long right? It's one of those things where you just have to take it at face value, a cheaply made little comedy meant to take potshots at a real estate moguls ridiculous life.
Garmose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that, I just expected more from Funny or Die, I guess. I think they've done some incredibly funny stuff, whereas this felt like a drawn-oit SNL skit that wasn't fully thought out.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:18:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I HATE Trump and can say with all sincerity that this movie was pretty fucking awful and awkward, and I can't recall laughing at any point. Honestly don't remember if I made it to the end. Surprisingly, Johnny Depp does a great Trump though.
Notpewdiepie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Trump and I didn't find it funny. Don't assume my politics.
MlCKJAGGER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well aren't you just a special little snowflake :)
Notpewdiepie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that sexual harassment?
MlCKJAGGER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you high?
Notpewdiepie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe?
sabrefudge ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:02:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, me too, until all that abuse stuff...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:40:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally watched it 10 times. 10/10
Spidersandmonsters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Art of the Deal. It's a satirical movie version of his book.
lambeau_leapfrog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mortdecai.
GetOffMyBus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:20 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm choosing to believe it was.
cmckone ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:47:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
when is there ever not a Johnny Depp movie out?
steve_n_doug_boutabi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:42:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pre 1984 (Nightmare on Elm Street).
LearndAstronomer28 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:09:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a huge Mortdecai fan, confirmed.
ShakeTheLutece ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Transcendence. Looking for some ideas on where he's going next.
PotatoAvenger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Art of the Deal?
poobicus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's my favorite movie
Orange_Kid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would the concession stand worker know that?
Seyon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Factor arrival time, departure time, movies showing, theater he entered, and what movie is playing in that theater
melikeybouncy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet it was Sex and the City 2.
Trump is totally a Charlotte!
minotaur000911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just noticed that he was in the beginning of Zoolander, during the award scene
theblaggard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lolita?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:49:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Birth of a nation
KingDustPan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deporting Mexicans #3: Hombre's Revenge.
michaelnpdx ยท 3717 points ยท Posted at 18:17:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an insurance agent and I have a lot of wealthy clients. One thing that sticks out to me is how precise most of them are with their money. Before working here I just assumed that the wealthy people would just have an accountant pay for it all, but the truth is they're really involved and very aware of their expenditures... For example, I have the wife of a very famous actor client who buys his son a brand new BMW every year, no leases, no loans -- just cash purchase.
This same famous actor's wife calls me before EVERY renewal whether there's an increase in premium or not, just wants to make sure that they're getting the best rate. They've threatened to take their insurance somewhere else over a $23 increase.
Kodakaidojo ยท 1263 points ยท Posted at 18:53:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As another agent who has dealt with very similar scenarios, I feel your pain. I had one client who was wealthy who called to ask why his premium went up $10 on his Homeowners. Then again the wealthiest client I had would always just tell me whatever needs to be done, I trust you. I found a lot of variance.
Anyway, really just commenting to empathize with you.
michaelnpdx ยท 189 points ยท Posted at 19:04:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I didn't mean to paint with a broad brush. There are definitely varying amounts of interaction with my clients, but all of them are involved in some way. The only client I've ever had that only worked through an account is one that was a trust fund baby and apparently completely unable to manage her own finances.
I'm glad I'm not the only one on reddit to experience these things!
Kodakaidojo ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:09:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just saying I would love to talk to different agents and hear the dumbest or strangest things they've ever heard from clients. I would find that very entertaining.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 21:06:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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katieblu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:44:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did Olaf survive?!
kbaby27 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:29:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, sadly he was calling because Olaf was dead and the person who hit Olaf wanted the guy to pay for his car damage.
katieblu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:49:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The person who hit Olaf should pay for damage to Olaf R.I.P.
kbaby27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:55:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I thought too. :(
ThisIsNotForYouu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:52:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How did it pan out?
Racorse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, rip Olaf
katieblu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hey you're not the person I replied to! I caught ya!
Edit 'no' to 'not' cause i have a fever fuck you dont judge me
And also "your" to "you're"
Racorse ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:56:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stuffs negative karma into bag and jumps out window
Kodakaidojo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:01:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are the kinds of calls that definitely make the day a little more interesting.
kbaby27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes in an otherwise pretty dull day lol!
lambeau_leapfrog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd blink, because Olaf was definitely a snowman.
kbaby27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried not to laugh because the owner was very upset of course.
AnotherDrunkCanadian ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:52:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strangest thing that ever happened to me was a client leaving a piece of paper in my office after our meeting.
I was cleaning up and noticed it. Turns out it was a prescription for Viagra.
I mailed it to him in a blank envelope without a note. He didn't need to know that I know.
Kodakaidojo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:03:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are the fun stories I love for people to share. I always like going to an insurance seminar or meeting and people swapping stories.
Law4usc ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't think most people realize how much fun we have at insurance seminars. I love being an agent/broker!
michaelnpdx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:50:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One thing I've realized over the last 10 years is that both insurance and mortgage brokers can really get their drink on
Law4usc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:03 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! Especially at an open bar!
michaelnpdx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:13:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? The insurance subreddits I've found have not been very active, although I guess we could fit in over at r/TalesFromRetail?
Kodakaidojo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would suggest we start our own but funny insurance stories seems like kind of a niche market.
michaelnpdx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:03:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'd be the doublewide trailers in a PC10 with a wood burning stove and a pitbull of reddit, that's for sure!
acend ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:59:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally what reddit was designed to be for.
actuallycallie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no more of a niche than r/TalesFromThePharmacy, which is pretty awesome.
kyew ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:06:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you've got a winning AskReddit post there. Please wait for tomorrow though- I've got to get back to work.
stovinchilton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
start a ask reddit about it
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:51:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the other side, there's a family of hundred millionaires in my town. All of the sons go by their wives last names for business because whenever they request a quote on something as soon as people hear their last name they triple it. My dad did some business with them once, sold them a system at the standard $5k price and while talking afterwards he found out he underbid everyone else by 600%.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:35:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean 80%. To underbid someone by 600% you would be paying them five times the standard rate you charge them
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:40:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see why he got the business then.
Tassietiger1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Under- means less. I really hate the construction of "under-" + ">100%", but it's pretty common.
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worded it poorly I guess. Everyone elses bid was at least 6 times the size of his. He charged his 5k, everyone else was saying 30k.
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not blaming you, I'm blaming everyone who does that like you.
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean everyone else tried to charge 6 times more then what he charged. And what he was charging already had a healthy markup.
lunchbox3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:06:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wealthy people I know seem to have specific things they care about. I know one guy who will not pay more than ยฃ15 for a tie, but casually drops ยฃ30000 on a bicycle...
Lukegoboom1 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:18:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine some people worked their way up so they wouldn't have to worry about money, and some people worked their way up because they worry about money so much.
WimpyRanger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your thought is that people choose whether or not to be rich as adults?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socio-economic_mobility_in_the_United_States
Lukegoboom1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:41:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm just comparing the different thought processes of people who are rich.
Willzi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:48:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing people with loads of money are used to people trying to rip them off.
scraggledog ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:17:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whaddya think, they got rich writing cheques?
1mrlee ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:37:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're rich for a reason.
Mirshikar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:09:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in pool service and the wealthiest (based on house) just asks we do our job, and he will pay for whatever is needed. We could probably triple charge him and he wouldn't notice. Of course we don't and will still talk to him about high ticket expenditures.
But we have another that is probably around the same wealth, maybe slightly less. And they are sticklers for EVERYTHING and don't want us to charge them for anything without asking. No matter if it is $4.
Whatsthisaboot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's the system your company's employ. If I can call and complain about an increase or just in general and receive a LOWER rate, Why wouldn't I? No one is getting rich having your debts nickel and dime you. I want the lowest rate possible... $0 would be best.
Kodakaidojo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typically, only speaking as an independent agent, that doesn't mean you get your rates lowered assuming you want to keep your current carrier. If you ask to be remarketed into other carriers we can happily oblige, most honest agents make sure you are getting the best possible coverage with all available discounts and rate decreases possible. Particularly in personal insurance, it is such a competitive field these days. It is our job to check renewals and also if your carrier has new programs available to see if that would help reduce premium. I can only speak for myself I suppose. There is nothing better in my day than getting to call someone with good news like reducing their premium. You're more than free to call and ask.
michaelnpdx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100% agree. If someone calls me for a reshop request I tell them that I'll get it done and call them the next day. If it's a premium decrease, I'll stay after to get the new policy bound. It's a great feeling, AND it brings in referrals and helps with retention.
geacps2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:56:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that doesn't fit this threads narrative, my brother
devils_avocado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old money (self made) vs new money (born into it)
dogwoodcat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:03:39 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got them backwards. "Old money" denotes family money, often accumulated over successive generations. "New money" is the money made over one's own lifetime.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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michaelnpdx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the empathy is there, it's when they're rude or threatening that I just don't feel inclined to be as helpful as I possibly could.
Guyinapeacoat ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:56:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know when you just say "Ah, fuck it" and you spend a lot more money somewhere than you were originally planning? I'm guessing rich people also have those situations except it's with hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe even millions.
Sure, percentage wise it may not be a lot of their money, but a million dollars can cause a lot of change in the world, and they can't afford to let that slip.
So they learn to be stingy as hell with everything, so they can be fiscally conservative when they need to. Most people who make it rain and pay for bottle service all day and night usually don't stay rich long.
girusatuku ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 21:40:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get to be that rich by being careless with money.
bdk1417 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:06:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet they throw away so much by buying a new BMW every year... so much money lost in depreciation.
VicisSubsisto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't ever buy a used car either, if I had room in my budget for an annual BMW.
ATangK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tax expense. Better to buy a BMW than pay tax
chuckymcgee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand how income taxes work.
ATangK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called tax deduction. Unless it doesn't work like that in the states.
chuckymcgee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:15:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I make $X and I just buy a BMW to have a BMW there's no deduction, why would there be? You're being taxed on income, not what's left after you buy stuff.
And even if you could make a deduction, it's not free. A $60,000 tax deduction doesn't save you $60,000 in taxes.
ATangK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you earn $150k, and you buy a BMW as a work car for $60k, you only have to pay tax on the $90k you earnt in Aus.
So yes you do only get taxed after you buy stuff.
chuckymcgee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a business car? Well, in the US, you'd actually have to be using that car for business beyond driving to work. You'd have to keep separate records. And then you'd face limits on the deduction, as there are limits in place so you can't deduct the full value of a luxury car.
Even in your Australian example, you still aren't saving $60k, you're only saving the tax you would have paid on $60k.
ATangK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:57 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Here you could use the car 3 days a week and still have it count. And of course it's only 90k taxable income (in my example). We have a tax free bracket near 20k, but at 90k tax is almost 50%. Hence the tax deductions are important.
hexane360 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:14:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean Trump inherited most of it, and bankrupted himself several times.
JayBeeFromPawd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:17:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When will this die
electricblues42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When the sun rises in the west and truth becomes fiction and fiction becomes truth.
I guess, IDK.
Edit: for fucks sakes man, the OP here told a 100% true statement, look it up. Trump inherited his money then many of his businesses' went bankrupt. Nothing about it is false in the slightest.
CohnJunningham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He inherited a shit ton (I think like 200m but too lazy to check) from his dad. The part people often leave out though is that he was already a billionaire when he inherited it.
ernyc3777 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:46:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the normys like the rest of get told to take our business elsewhere if we complain about a $100 deductible and $50 per month premium increase...
michaelnpdx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have not so wealthy clients also, and if you were nice to me I would happily re-shop your insurance every single time there was a rate increase at renewal. I work for a brokerage, so that's what we do. If your broker isn't doing that for you, or you're insured with a direct company (Allstate, State Farm, Farmers, etc...) it might be time to shop around!
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:50:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're thinking of Joe Walsh
michaelnpdx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:55:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been waiting for this. I was actually going to go on a diatribe about how songs and TV interpretations formed my opinions on the wealthy, but then realized I have a tendency to ramble.
Nice catch, great song.
wwfmike ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:14:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a difference in this behavior between old and new money people?
OMFGitsBob ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:58:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There can be, but there can also be a huge difference between just new money people, too.
I have one very affluent client who came from nothing and literally counts every cent she has. I've watched her eat the meat of out shrimp tails a lot of people ignore because "it'd be a waste of money."
Inversely, I have a client who came from nothing and became incredibly wealthy when is wife, who was a very close client and friend, died suddenly. They had both been raised dirt poor, but she'd pulled them to the upper class. She handled all of the finances for a reason, though. When she died, he became a multimillionaire (literally) overnight. Fast forward just under six months and he'd spent $4mil of the $6mil she left him and their young daughter. They could have literally wanted for nothing and had a secure income for the rest of their lives (I know, we showed them how) and he blew it on frivolous material things and very, very poor "business decisions." He repeatedly ignored what we'd tell him because he liked looking like a big shot in front of people, and now he's paying for it.
Source: I'm a financial advisor and insurance agent.
assesundermonocles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another agent here. Got a client who built himself from the ground up with street smarts and a 4th grade education. He's truly smart with his money, save for the fact that he spoils his son rotten. The son is grown now, but doesn't work and likes to flaunt the money around. Makes me sad to see it squandered like that, but yeah. Not my money.
reddit_beats_college ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:15:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Insurance agent here, and ain't that the truth. The wealthier clients are the ones who call in at every renewal and complain about any increase. I don't have anyone nearly as big as your clients (I have a couple of upper-management guys from one Fortune 500 company), but the millionaires are always the most difficult. I either currently or in the past have handled the insurance for Bill gates, Michael Jackson, and Eli Manning. However, not the ones you are thinking of.
elligirl ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:19:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like people with a lot of money are good at managing their expenses. Weird. ;)
WillsLim ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:30:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find it weird at all, that's probably how they stay rich. There are a lot of pro athletes out there that become homeless because they don't manage their expenses.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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WillsLim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's both really, they don't get an accountant to help them with spending.
elligirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your sarcasm radar is faulty. You should check it. :)
WillsLim ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:50:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, my bad stranger.
dhelfr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:45:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're so nice.
michaelnpdx ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:30:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what's striking to me is the percentage of their income they're paying out for insurance vs the amount of time they spend reviewing and/or fussing over minor increases.
For example, as a multi-thousandaire, if my cable bill changes by $7 or $8 dollars a month I'm probably not going to worry too much. If it changes by 20-30 then they'll most likely get a call.
It's more the absurdity that someone whose time is far more valuable than the slight increase in cost will be is willing to spend many valuable hours discussing/fighting/whining over what to them is way less than what $7-$8 is to me.
elligirl ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:47:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the rate of return is much, much lower for the wealthy. However, every single wealthy (million or more in the bank) person I know is like this. They shop around for the cheapest and best deals, they watch their bills carefully, and they keep a close watch on investments. Then they have spare-no-expense Christmas parties for their offices and friends... so I guess it works out?
michaelnpdx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I'm definitely not saying it's a bad thing either. It's just counterintuitive to what my assumption would've been back before I knew rich people.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does, I save about ten thousand dollars a year by being just a little frugal, I could probably save even more if i was absolutely anal about it. That works out to an extra million dollars of wealth i will accumulate over my life.
elligirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See? A penny saved is a penny earned. :)
corporaterebel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If you are making more money: then this makes sense.
Often, these folks are not hourly and use "down time" to deal with such things... They are not making money at the time and therefore call and getting a recovery of ~$100 (from your example). It should also be noted that a $100 saved is really $150 earned because taxes.
So unless you are making more than $150/hr then it makes sense to discussing/fighting/whining.
It is also how you get rich...every dollar over 20+ years and occasional investments in real estate will get you rich, almost always. It's just not a fun, fulfilling or desirable way to get rich. It is just a very reliable way to get rich.
It's actually a lot of work to be cheap.
gharbutts ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:44:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but $7/month for an annual contract is $84. If I'm getting exactly the same product for $80 more, I'm going to call about it. Often there is someone willing to offer me equal coverage for less than that, and it'll only cost me maybe an hour of time I might have spent watching tv or browsing the Internet.
suuupreddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:41:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's exactly it.
Why is someone whose time is worth upwards of $1000 an hour arguing for 30 minutes over something that might cost him $500 over the next decade? Seems idiotic.
Matt_Shatt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the flaw there is that you're assuming they'd spend that hour or two doing something productive which may not necessarily be true.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not always true. I work with somebody at my measly paying job who used to make 6 figures, has no debt, and a few vehicles, and can afford to have his kid go to private school. Yet today he gave me crap for spending an extra 15 minutes at work at the end of the day, as the clock claimed I took a 45 minute lunch instead of a 30 minute lunch, and he made a big deal out of how it's "only $2.50."
It's MY $2.50 and being awfully poor lately, that's 2 meals at the freakin' dollar store and some change.
elligirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he values his free time more than he values the hourly wage. That's not quite the same as keeping a close eye on expenses. He's seeing leaving on time to spend time doing something else as well worth losing $2.50. He may also spend that 15 minutes calling the cable company and talking to a manager to make sure his cable bill is the lowest it can be.
Inquisitorsz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not weird. You expect rich people to be good with money (to some extent).
What's weird is buying a brand new BMW every year and complaining about a $23 insurance increase.
The only way that makes any sense is if he sells last year's BMW for more than he bought it for (due to it being driven by a celebrity). In which case, they aren't wasting money on cars.
Redditor_on_LSD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Err...
dhelfr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are people generally successful in negotiations?
reddit_beats_college ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and no. Generally speaking, when it comes to personal policies (your home, auto, umbrella, etc) I have little to no discretion in pricing. I may be able to find an extra discount that was overlooked, or help trim some coverages to get the rate back down. These days I mostly do commercial insurance, and with that we do generally have the ability to add some credit, or at least go back to the carrier and ask for it from them.
nvrMNDthBLLCKS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once heard Oprah tell in her show that when she goes to a flea market or something, she always bargains, even if it's for $5. And she doesn't do this for the fun of it, but because she just wants to get the right price, no matter how many millions she has.
scotchirish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a hard time imagining she gets away with that very much, unless it's just people that want the celebrity of having sold something to her.
Why-am-I-here-again ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be fucking ripshit if Oprah was trying to haggle with me over a $5 knickknack.
heriman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who are these wealthy clients! We won't tell others
boom149 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. If they're new money, it kinda makes sense. Getting rich in the first place takes some degree of frugality.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves.
joozian_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about the money, it's about value. It's why rich people are rich, they understand and seek to maximize value in their dealings.
When you have that sixth sense, you can't just turn it off for minor transactions.
carlosdanger11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to hear all us insurance people hear the same shit..
harrison_wintergreen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check out Thomas J Stanley's books. He was a professor who researched finance, specifically high-wealth Americans. He found that people who actually accumulate high levels of wealth are nearly always frugal.
They typically earn above the median income, but they live way, way, way below their means and make a priority of saving and investing. They don't buy fancy new cars, they don't own boats, they don't wear rolexes.
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That reminds me of hearing about Warren Buffet's old Cadillac, and living in Nebraska.
I don't disagree with their frugality, just not quite what I had imagined before having high net worth clients.
boredcentsless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad heard a speech by Bill Gates one time, and he says that he still buys the cheapest brand of milk to save a few cents.
Raveynfyre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get wealthy by throwing all of your money around recklessly.
narnou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then you undertand that's actually WHY the are rich in the first place.
DaughterEarth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see this with my in-laws as well. They are incredibly stingy. They get really upset if they can't get a special deal somewhere. They have a coupon or credit or something like that for every purchase they make. They buy most things as cheap as possible and will repair a device before they replace it.
Some of it is good practice but the way they seem to feel entitled to special deals everywhere is a little annoying.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My old boss (electrician company) buys cars in cash once a year as well, doesn't have any loans. Bought his multi-million dollar house with cash as well.
npepin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In a lot of personal finance books it talks about this sort of stuff a lot. People who tend to be wealthy tend to get there by being very careful with their money far far before they become wealthy. This habit doesn't really ever stop because this is just how they are.
From most people's point of view, if they have 10 million in the bank, they don't care if their premium increase $20. From one of these people's point of view, they've cared about their premium increasing any amount at all for the last 25 years.
This of course only applies to some portion of people, I'm not saying every wealthy person is like this. But I am also saying that wealth is very difficult to hold onto if you aren't really managing finances. It isn't uncommon for people who don't care about these little increases get to the point where with their lifestyle they are barely staying afloat.
fjccommish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many people think spending a lot of money is a sign of wealth. Saving a lot of money and managing money well leads to wealth.
trillium_waste ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a reason they are rich and knowing their finances front and back is one reason.
noiserr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I used to work for a TV repair service back in the 90s.. this involved picking up deliveries and drop offs of big screen TVs to customer houses and apartments.
I have picked up and delivered repaired TVs to multi million dollar mansions and to small apartments where the TV would take half the living room space (these were giant DLP TVs or CRTs before the era of flatscreens).
More often than not the most annoying customers were the rich folks living in multi million dollar homes usually.
We were generally always very careful when carrying TVs. Making sure we don't damage any furniture or house property while carrying giant TVs. But I always remember overly concerned rich folks with how we carried the TVs.
I remembered us being issued slip ons, when we had to bring a TV up a flight of wooden stairs, so our shoes wouldn't damage the stairs. Our shoes were clean.. I mean we work indoors 100% of time.
When it came to tips, the rich folks tipped the same amount as those who weren't so well off, actually if we got a good tip it was usually from someone living in a regular house.
michaelnpdx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I'd want to move a giant TV up any stairs without familiar shoes, especially with the word "slip" in the name!
noiserr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
exactly!
existentialhack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think these folks get and stay so rich?
hatesthespace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The secret to becoming wealthy is, after all, not spending all of your money.
teruma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rich don't get rich by spending.
AchedTeacher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see rich people getting screwed over in terms of money quite easily. Not amounts that would bankrupt them, but amounts they won't miss. Exactly why they'd be screwed over for that kind of money. Makes sense, kinda. But if you're that rich and still care about minute increases as though you're working minimum wage, well... That's a pretty pointless existence.
The_BenL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't grow to be wealthy without being involved with your money, and being careful with it.
simplesensations1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont get those people. It seems pretty dumb that they would fight over a $23 dollar increase, but be fine with losing money on reselling their sons previous car each year (if they even resell them, if not thats even worse to complain over $23)
stovenstekes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the exact opposite of what I experienced at Porsche Financial Services. Most of our customers didn't even know what a lease was even though they had a seven digit income. They'd have people call us for them to try and work out the end of term lease charges. Absolutely ridiculous. They'd be pissed when we told them they had to bring the car back to one of our dealerships and get another one or go their separate way. I hated that job.
pancakecupcakemuffin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wealthy people draw the line in strange places with their money in my experience. They will not hesitate to splurge on new mansions, supercars, or designer clothing but will act shocked when they hear the price of certain everyday items such as organic produce, movie tickets, or craft beer.
Ghstfce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother-in-law is extremely wealthy. She has people that take care of her finances, pay her bills, etc. They're like family to us, they even bought my wife and me a convertible car seat for our baby shower.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cornerstone Broker? Or is Chubb doing that anymore?
Lostar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's so strange to me that wealthy people care about money that much. I don't make that much and I don't even watch my bank account, or how I spend. The insta-buy slider on Amazon has been an issue for me...
TheFrontCrashesFirst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
^ can back this up, similar story. #shitpostsforever
eairy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was a pilot and trained many self made millionaires who wanted to learn to fly. Some of them became friends. He said people like to hang around rich people thinking it'll help them get rich, but the rich don't get to be rich by being generous with money. They'll spend 2 hours arguing over 10p
Rob_1089 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I didn't get this rich throwing away money"
weigh_all_sides ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wealthy also tend to have more time to obsess over those things. It's not that they're wealthy because they saved a thousand bucks here and there.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense, and you can make an analogy to health. It's considered irresponsible to not manage your money and see how much is going in and out of your account (on a very basic level). Healthy people know exactly how much food is going in and out of their body. If you track your calories, then you'll never lose track of your weight and wonder why you're not losing weight or are fat. It's too bad people don't realise this, and are caught up with cutting out particular foods, or thinking exercise is the main thing.
exponentialDK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A good friend of mine got rich during the dot.com bubble. His net worth was ~$100 million before age 30 (this was the '90s). He's the complete opposite of what you describe. He lived in a loft before people lived in lofts. It was a non-residential loft, so he had about 10 minutes of hot water in a makeshift shower. No appliances, no fridge, no kitchen. He'd park in the same no-parking zone every day (this was a non-residential area) and would get a parking ticket every time. His accountant would pay his tickets monthly. He eventually bought an amazing 4-story condo, but just put one mattress on the floor of the master bedroom, some futons in the other rooms, and had one $25K designer couch, a giant projector, and a foosball table. There was a fridge that contained only mustard or it was filled with Dom Perignon. Got a $200K Porsche that I've never seen him drive. We tried starting it once, but the battery was dead from sitting around for too long.
When we went out, everything was on him. If he got a $3 beer at some bar: here's $20 and keep the change. We'd go out to Chinatown or for Indian food after hours. He was never sure what to eat, so he'd order 10-15 dishes, 6-7 beverages and a glass of milk. He'd take one or two bites from the various dishes, a few sips of the drinks, and always finish the milk. Then he'd tip a minimum of 100%. On a typical night out, he'd max out the ATM withdrawal limit 2-3 times. We'd smoke weed and crash on his couch at 4-5 AM. He'd get up at noon and went to the office until 5.
He'd throw all his laundry, including sheets and towels, in a garbage bag and had his assistant dry clean them. Always wore an Armani suit, no tie, smoked a lot of weed and drank a lot of everything, didn't know how to boil water, and ate out for every meal. He eventually took cooking classes and decided to remodel the condo. Hired some designer who had everything customized. He moved to the hotel across the street while his place was being remodeled. It took a year. He's in the tech industry but actually wants to be an astrophysicist. Good times. I love that guy.
michaelnpdx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like he's pretty down to earth about the whole thing too. That's awesome, thanks for sharing.
crissangel97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps it's not that wealthy people are meticulous with their money. It's that people who are meticulous with their money are the ones who get wealthy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw an interview once with a wealthy businessman (get a feeling it may have been Duncan Bannatyne) and he explained that this is how rich people stay rich.
The way he explained it, you could have the best idea in the world, but if you weren't money savvy, you'd never end up getting super rich. The reason a lot of rich people get rich and stay rich is that they know exactly where each and every one of their expenditures is going, and they are constantly ensuring that they're not losing money.
drwuzer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:16 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$23 here, $50 there, $10 somewhere else, it all adds up. If I just accepted small increases in all my bills every year, before you know it I'm out thousands of dollars I could have saved with a couple phone calls.
PhillipJFry32 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:42 on January 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked for an insurance comapny and I would always get the same thing too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why they are rich.
Batman010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This seems admirable, but I don't believe it is. I'm guessing that's an increase of pennies in scale for the rest of the population, why worry about something so insignificant. Enjoy the blessings you have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't do great in school, and didn't have much of a desire to go to college. I worked low-paying jobs literally getting beat up by developmentally disabled folks back in my small hometown. After my wife left me I realized that I needed change, so I started applying for jobs in the nearest big city and found one that was willing to pay for insurance licensing. It was a great opportunity, and if it weren't for it I probably would have eventually given up, or (hopefully) gone back to college.
I'm able to support my family thanks to insurance, and I truly get to help people make sure they have enough coverage and explain how insurance works all day. I really enjoy it.
Training for an insurance license is really pretty cheap for anyone who reads this and might be looking for a change. Look up your state's requirements and costs at www.proschools.com
There are always tons of open positions in insurance, and gaining experience in different roles and with different companies is very highly sought after.
Smiddy621 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get to the top of the most competitive real estate market without knowing exactly where your money goes and comes from.
Interesting to see how some habits are instilled into him. I recall the cracked article a few years ago where "old money" wealthy people literally don't understand how valuable $100 is and would give the bell hop a C-note for just running a bag up to the room.
Strelitziaceae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought it was the opposite... That "old money" managed their expenditures better than "new money." That's why a lot of famous athletes, other celebrities, etc. go broke within a few years.
Smiddy621 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True... I was thinking more the old money that was inherited/trust fund/otherwise not earned by working.
tombflorist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got the same thing with rich people calling in if they receive 8 cents of interest. They won't give it up because it's "the principle". Fuckin douche principle
Bosilaify ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what bothers me, how most of the general popular think that the 1%ers just throw around money, when in actuality they got there by saving, and being precise In their money spent and earned. It's all about playing in the margins.
Kierwynn1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shocking Discovery: The rich are rich, not always because they are lucky, but because they are incredibly strict with their expenditures.
Lord-Octohoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say that like that's not an obscenely large increase. If we're talking monthly rates and car insurance that's completely insane and I would never deal with a company that tried to pull that again.
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They pay annually. That particular increase was for a full year.
Lord-Octohoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even so, without any accidents or new vehicles the only justifiable change in a rate is a decrease. Why would I continue to do business with a company that rewards my loyalty with increased fees when other companies will lower it anually?
Either I had an accident which caused my rate to go up or I better get a very, very, very detailed explanation about the changes the company is going through and market factors that necessitate increased fees. It's not even about the money so much as it is the show of disrespect towards your customer. Loyalty means something and you don't return the favor by screwing them over.
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As agents we don't even get explanations from companies as to why they are having a rate increase, we just get notification that they have filed for it with the insurance commissioner.
If you currently have a company that has actively given you rate decreases at each renewal please tell me the name. I must work for them immediately.
Lord-Octohoof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first ever car insurance provider was Geico as they gave me a great rate on my old Eclipse. Something like $80-90 a month. It was pretty incredible, especially considering I was still under 20 at the time and rates are typically higher for that age group. I was with them for a year and when it came time to renew they tried to convince me that because my car was a sports coupe I would need to pay more, around $120 a month. This was obviously a pretty stupid tactic as the Eclipse didn't change what kind of car type it was with age and I had grown older which should have moved me to a lower bracket. I assume offering a decent rate to begin with is a tactic to rope people into business with you and then the rates are raised under the assumption the customer won't bother changing since they've already grown comfortable with you as a provider. Hell, they probably assume you won't even notice.
Anyway, that shit didn't fly with me so I shopped around until I was able to find liability coverage for ~$100 a month with Fred Loya. Still not as good as my original coverage but I've been with them for a year or two and I'm now only paying $80 / month. That being said, if I were making more money and valued my vehicle more they wouldn't be my first choice provider. I can't find the proper words to describe it but most of the agents around here don't seem official in the slightest, almost like they're working as an agent part time out of their home as opposed to actually being a professional in the field. Despite that, I can vouch that they've treated me like a customer and not like a a mark for grifting.
When I'm out of school and have a better career I'll opt for more expensive coverage from a more official provider, though anyone who tries something as shady as increasing coverage rates annually is obviously a sham and will be avoided.
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never even heard of Fred Loya...
I'm personally insured with Esurance, it's not a company I sell but the rates are pretty amazing.
Lord-Octohoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten differing quotes from Esurance. Their rates seemed to go up after they scrapped the Agents of Esurance marketing campaign.
Fred Loya is exclusively in the South if I'm not mistaken and even then only a few states so I'm not surprised.
RandomRedditor44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I imagine the wife (or husband) coming in with a bunch of $100 bills. Is this a correct assumption?
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, paid in full by credit card over the phone.
dontthink19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that makes the most sense to me. You don't become rich by giving your money away, you reign in tight control of your expenses and work hard to get the lowest rates and pay the cheapest. People call it being a cheapskate, I call it being money smart.
Freakychee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So all rich people act like Scrooge McDuck?
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't attest to the gold coin swimming pools, but there's definitely some frugality!
macphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I briefly worked at an insurance agency, and while I'm sure the wealthy clients were careful about money in general, they were also perfectly happy to do favors for friends. The agent was old as dirt and was selling policies to elderly multimillionaire oil barons--the last people on earth who needed his shitty whole life insurance. But the clients would buy them because they went way, way back.
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I went way, way back with people besides the friends who decided to make mom's basement a studio apartment...
domonx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a paradox that appears in many people, not just the wealthy. They'll spend ridiculous amount on vanity items or things that really doesn't improve their life very much. But when it comes to essentials or very minor things that affect them daily, they nickle and dime everything. The same co-worker who just bought a 60k Mercedes is eating ramen for lunch. Or someone who spent 10k renovating their house, not because it's broken but because they want a new look, will only buy sugar by the cartloads when it's on sale for 99cent instead of the usual $1.50. I will never understand these people's logic and their inconsistency just annoy the hell out of me. There's a different between frugal and cheap, you're not being frugal by skipping lunch to save money and then blowing 200 bucks on a weekend, you're just too cheap to buy lunch cuz you wasted all your money on dumb shit.
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you get me. Thank you. It's not being smart with money that's odd to me, it's the large purchases immediately followed by the time spent trying to decrease the premium amounts.
Yodiddlyyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While threatening over 23 bucks seems annoying, I can kind of understand it. Look at it from their point of view, they don't have a crystal ball. 23 dollars now, no big deal. 6 months from now 20 increase. What's 20 bucks? Next year there's another 30 dollar increase. That's ok, every companies prices are increasing, it's the economy. Another 6 months another 30. Then all of a sudden it's been two years and you realize you're paying an extra 1236 dollars per year that you weren't before, what happened? Also, are they taking advantage of me because they know I'm rich?
So, nip it in the bud and say fuck you I'm going elsewhere. They drop the price, good. If not, I go elsewhere and hope it's at least 23 dollars cheaper.
I don't know, I know that's dramatic but I think it's not far fetched.
MK_Ultrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the principle of the thing for me. I pay you a lot of money, stop trying to rip me off. Fucking insurance companies.
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I'm on your side. As a producer I get 14% of the 12% commission that my agency gets... That's, for example, $16.80 in new business commission for me on a $1,000 policy.
The best part about being a broker is that I can then take a look and see if there are companies that have lower rates if you experience a rate increase, and we can fuck that insurance company together while maintaining eye contact if you'd like... Just don't be a dick to me, because the only real reward to my job is helping people who are nice.
MK_Ultrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I was just commenting on why a rich person would make a fuss over a few bucks. Some companies namely banks, insurance and phone companies are always trying to rip you off, a small ghost charge at the time. I am not rich but the $20 a year don't hurt me either. But that charge to me means that I cannot trust you. Big companies should not behave like small time crooks.
michaelnpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got that part of it, just wanted to throw in that your insurance agent isn't the one to be mad at. If a rate increase has made you call or come by the office you can bet there's hundreds more behind you upset about the same thing.
Dregannomics ยท 4549 points ยท Posted at 16:29:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet a lot of people think because he is rich, that he doesn't want his change back.
Socialbutterfinger ยท 4394 points ยท Posted at 16:49:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. Even as a non-rich person, it's so awkward waiting for 6 cents back. I feel like people think I'm some kind of cheapskate. But then I'd also look silly saying, "keep it!" like I'm sooooo magnanimous leaving my six cents behind.
supermans_alter_ego ยท 1319 points ยท Posted at 17:08:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I check for a charity tin. If they have one I always tell them to add the change to it. If they don't it's going in my pocket for my change jar, which is technically a charity tin as well.
cannibalisticapple ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:48:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Goodwill I go to will ask customers if they want to donate the amount of change they would have gotten so that they only have to pay a round number. I think more stores should do that, the money goes to a good cause and there's no need to fumble around with coins before and after the transaction.
Literacy_Hitler ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:01:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but they still ask you to do this when using a card too.
soupz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The airline I fly with most often also ask this every time and it's online card payment. But I find it nice so I've done it before. Though I have to admit, I'd prefer different charities than the ones the airline has. But whatever, it's only a few cents and it goes to a good cause (and one that probably doesn't get much attention otherwise because after sooo many bookings, the last one two days ago, I still don't remember which charity it is or what it is for even though I read through it every single time... Can't be one that sounds too exciting).
Techsus7 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:20:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I hate when stores do this. I believe a lot of these "non-profit" charities are quite un-charitable except for the staff. People shouldn't feel guilted into donating anything to something they are not 100% aware of the organizations actions. I feel it's a cheap ploy to use social situations into gaining money, possibly for a good cause? I still feel it shouldn't happen that way.
Rabbi_Tuckman38 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:53:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Its so hard to know if it is going to a reputable charity at that point. I would maybe just find a way to give directly to a cause.
Techsus7 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:29:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. If you want to donate go ahead to the charity of your choice but don't make customers feel like the bad guy for not donating their change to something they may know nothing about. It makes it to hard for people to say no to something they know nothing about due to fear of judgment
FrOzenOrange1414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What keeps the managers or other employees at the stores from just pocketing the charity jar change?
lemonface99 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:04:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Domino's does that in the UK when you order online, round up to the nearest pound for charity. More places should offer it I think.
mynameisfreddit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:52:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do wonder if these companies claim this money is coming from them and they use it to lower their taxes. They might not, but it makes me suspicious.
pinumbernumber ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:05:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly... even if they do, I think it's still a net win for everyone. Money is still going to the charity that wouldn't've otherwise.
mynameisfreddit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:08:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would still be a very dishonest way of reducing their tax.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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mynameisfreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know how it works, im just saying its bad.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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mynameisfreddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not OK, would be OK for me to go and collect money for charity on a street corner, then use that money for my own personal tax relief? Without informing the people who were donating that this was my intention, to use their charitable donations to undercut my tax bill.
Hitchie_Rawtin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:20:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People should take it as a given that a business will try to reduce their outgoings by any means. That it's charitable is one of the nicer ways of doing so.
mynameisfreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's not their money, they are writing off tax with donations from their customers.
Hitchie_Rawtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how or why this would bother you at all.
A customer leaves a donation for Charity X with a business, the business gets to write off some tax for the donation, nobody loses out at all, but the businessman gains.
The only thing that happens which wouldn't happen if you gave direct to the charity yourself is that the business is acting as admin for your funds and they get to benefit from being the middleman.
Is there such a backlash against all businesses nowadays that providing a helpful, charity-fund-boosting service and reaping the legal benefit for providing it is seen as tasteless? If you knew your donation was going to be used to lessen one of many bills a business has to pay, you'd stop giving to charity? Or go out of your way to pay to the charity yourself, just to be spiteful to a business lessening it's costs?
mynameisfreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they are writing off tax that I paid, not them. If dominos or any other company wants to write off it's own philanthropy that's absolutely fine, but certainly not on the backs of unknowing customers donations, that should be their tax relief.
In the UK we have a thing (giftaid) where you can tick a box and put your name and the income tax you paid on that donation will be donated to the charity, so effectively another 20% goes to the charity on top of your donation. I'd want that to happen rather than the company getting the cut, and them recouping the tax I paid.
Hitchie_Rawtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a good idea, but wouldn't it make purchasing stuff clunky and bothersome?
I'd view the business getting a small benefit as removing that clunkiness. Unless the gift aid could be tied to a card or something. Maybe once contactless payment through phones really takes off?
grimm42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really can't use that to lower your taxes. The extra revenue they donate is of course tax free, but everything else is still taxed accordingly. They aren't profiting by taking donations(except good publicity or smth).
Of course you shouldn't donate without a receipt, so you can claim your donations on your taxes.
d4m4s74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:06:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most do.
SazeracAndBeer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:17:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Firehouse Subs does this too.
A1VE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:02:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Panda Express in my area is doing this, and it seems pretty ingenious.
dubman42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:57:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but since they are a for-profit corporation, I'm guessing their motivation for doing so may be a bit different.
A1VE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, motivation for giving is important. However I think the act of giving itself is probably the more important than the motivation.
LordPadre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
who cares, 6 cents is a burden, they keep it, it adds up for them and makes my life easier. It's a smart move.
dubman42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, sure. But they also ask you to do it with debit card transactions.
badgerandaccessories ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:03:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a Panda Express near me, if I pay cash they ask if I want to donate the change to the children's hospital. If I pay with a card they ask if I'd like to donate a dollar.
LordPadre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's still not necessarily a bad idea. Just remember that seemingly dumb things happen in business all the time, because they work. They probably wouldn't be doing it if it didn't bring anything to the table for them.
turnscoffeeintocode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is that calculated? Round up to the nearest dollar?
SLSnickers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. The store i work at does it for our local food banks.
JarlaxleForPresident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for Goodwill sucks nowadays
livevil999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where does everyone live that they're still using so much real money?!? Just get a debit card!
cannibalisticapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to use debit cards for EVERYTHING. I use cash to pay for stuff if it's under 10 or 20 dollars unless my wallet's empty, and I know a lot of people will use it for the drive throughs at fast food places or to pay bills at restaurants. Honestly it just feels more secure to me, given how much you hear about credit card readers being hacked and the numbers getting stolen. I know it's not common, but if it happened to a place where I didn't even top ten or fifteen dollars, I'd be pretty annoyed at myself for not just paying cash back then.
bdaniel44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:10 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i dontown a debit card. poker is a cash business and number of transactions i make would be suspicious. easier to not have a bank account or plastic
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they [the business entity] gets to make a tax write off with your taxed donation.
If you want to donate money, donate money. Don't donate to a business.
eaglesfan23 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:12:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Save your change for a year and watch how much money you save. I used to that till one time me and my buddy stopped at a wawa (convenience store in the Philadelphia area) and he saw me do this. He told me to save my change for a year, ended up doing it... Had almost $300 in change at Christmas time. Sure helped with Christmas gifts
qwell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:05:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are some debit cards that let you automatically send any remainder of a whole dollar on every transaction to a savings account. If your total is $7.13 for example, it would put away $0.87. It's a pretty neat idea.
ZainCaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it matter when paying with cards though, it's more of a cash thing
Quasm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just the same idea of having an easy way of saving money. Especially for people that don't use cash often and can't save up change.
-Reddit_Account- ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:05:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It hurts because it's true
dingle_dingle_dingle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the best way to do it. Having an overage in a checkout drawer is just as bad as being short. It can be awkward for cashiers when people tell them to keep the change if it isn't a gratuity based transaction.
ythms2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:45:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love when people leave their change in the till, means when the next customer comes along and their order is 20.20 or whatever, I can just charge them 20, less hassle and keeps my regulars friendly.
Rabbi_Tuckman38 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:55:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do the same. I just keep a tally in my head and then I can help someone else out down the line if they are a few cents short.
FrOzenOrange1414 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just as bad as being short. It's essentially extra money for the company but mainly it helps the cashier because they have a cushion against being short, and can help other customers who might need a few cents.
dingle_dingle_dingle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is. Negative shrink is usually punished by companies in the same way that a short till would be.
KorporalKronic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The charity tin just goes to the company or store that put it there lol. You think youre helping but 90% of the funds go to the company
BigBooce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well aren't you a goodie two shoes?
howtochoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Today the gym lady took 10p from me :(if she's here next week I might tel her sbt the 10p and pay 10p less..
Lightsronnoonehome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to say it but it's better to keep your change and donate it yourself to your favorite charity, like Planned Parenthood. A lot of those stores charge the charity a fee which comes out of the donations. They can charge very large fees.
believeINCHRIS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First go fund me was a piggy bank lol.
thewriterlady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty much what I do.
KIDWHOSBORED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that it's the worst thing in the world. But you should just put them in your tin and donate if you that's wha thou like to do. Large companies with those jars use that money as part of their charitable contributions and receive a tax break for it. The money still goes to charity obviously, but I'd rather have that tax break!
4ssault ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm in a convenience store that has a donation jar and a take a penny, I take all the change from the take a penny and put it in the donation jar (my change goes on the donations also). Some of the clerks get pissed.
I'm so late.
approx- ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:20:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just toss it onto the ground in the parking lot. Figure that whoever wants to take the time to pick it up probably needs it more than I do.
1mikeg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:36:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless there's significant homeless in the area or an abundance of children looking for lucky pennies, then that change gets swept up and thrown away.
Fnorkian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I aim for puddles or extra dirty spots when I do that, or if I feel extra generous I look around for some dog poo to put it in. That way I ensure that only those that need it the most will pick up my pennies.
autorazr ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:47:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I worked in a deli as a kid, I'd pocket the change that bleeding hearts would leave for the charity jars, it ain't stealing if they don't actually put it in themselves, you make over a dollar a day like this, it's a no brainer.
Octopus_Tetris ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:20:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duuude. No bueno.
autorazr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hehehe...Bueno, excellente.
MrFizzle93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn brah, you must be struggling to be worried about one dollar a day and stealing from charity. ๐ณ
ythms2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it if he's poor it's going to a better charity anyways, most charities only a couple of pennies from every dollar goes towards the actual cause, the majority just lines business people's pockets like any other company.
gabbythefck ยท 637 points ยท Posted at 17:13:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I hated when people would tell me to keep their change because it fucks up the till. I liked for my balance to be perfect at the end of the night.
[Edit] OK, for everyone who hasn't read my additional comments. This is in reference to an amusement park I worked at when I was 14 for minimum wage. If we were caught accepting tips, we were immediately fired. This included any change given to us. Thus, it was in my best interest to accept no change not only to not be fired for accepting tips but also to balance my till.
AberrantRambler ยท 701 points ยท Posted at 17:21:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They told you to keep it, not the till. If you chose to leave it in the till that's up to you, but you could do whatever you want with it.
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dreamyfoxy ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 17:48:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At my movie theater were not allowed tips so it goes in the till and then we end up over at the end of the night. Not saying people don't sneak them anyway, but we're not supposed to
TheManWithSomeGoals ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:19:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just set it on the register in case someone was short.
dreamyfoxy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:08:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah me too, or I hid it under the register sometime :p
Errant_artist ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:47:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where I work, it goes into the "take a penny leave a penny" pan for when you're juuuuust short a couple cents and don't want to break a twenty. Alternatively, during the holidays, we have a code to round up the change and that gets donated to the charity the company supports that year.
Sparcrypt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:06:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I worked retail if just keep a mental note of it, then it people were 5 cents short I'd say not to worry about it.
Usually worked out by he end of the day, if it didn't... oh well, tills 5 cents up, who cares?
AberrantRambler ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:53:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a tip, it didn't depend on your service. It's the equivalent to some random person waking down the street and handing you some change and saying keep it because if you didn't accept my "keep it" handed me the change that's literally what I'd do with it to the next person I'd see.
Fluffee2025 ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 18:11:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I said that to my boss when I was younger I'd lose my job. What I ended up doing was putting it in the cancer fund donation box we had because I definitely wasn't gonna let the owner keep that money.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:52:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fluffee2025 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:19:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't do the actual donations, the customers do so he doesn't get to claim it on his taxes. Plus, he doesn't have a choice about putting it there, he's forced to by corporate policy. If he said he'd match the amount donated then he could claim it in his taxes.
Origonn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's only if he personally, or his store specifically matched it. If it was a generic 'McDonalds will match donations' then he can't write it off, the corporation would.
woahjohnsnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the owner can claim it usually. that or the corporation does. someone is claiming it
Fluffee2025 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had employee meetings occasionally and it was mentioned at one that he doesn't get anything from the donations (he being the franchise owner). So with that in mind I'd assume it's the corporation that gets the tax cut, but I don't mind that as the corporation was a good company and when I met the representatives they were always nice to me.
dreamyfoxy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:07:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's still considered one though and if we get caught we get written up
AndrewZabar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reason #14 why the aliens refuse to come here anymore. We're not humans anymore.
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Seeeab ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:19:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck explaining that to your boss lol
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:21:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How to know someone never worked retail or fast food
dreamyfoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but if they see us accepting it and put it in our pockets we can get written up.
Socialbutterfinger ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:45:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's not a tip, this customer coincidentally just gave me some extra money right after I served him. I'm a random person!"
AberrantRambler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry if my post wasn't clear; I feel as the person saying "keep it" that I'm not doing it as a tip. I'm doing it more as a "I don't want to deal with that shit". If you cannot accept it and there's no charity box, and I don't see someone else to pawn it off on I will probably leave it on the ground (assuming it's some place where a kid could pick it up and think it was the best day ever) or throw it in the trash.
Dolingen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:50:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really don't get how it works do you?
DuceGiharm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at McDonald's, our franchise's owner would occasionally pay a secret customer to offer someone at drive thru a tip, and if they took it they got written up.
beepbloopbloop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cute but not how this works. It's still going to be viewed as a tip by the manager which is all that matters.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:09:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
everyone by me calls the till a register or a p. o. s (point of sale). literally I only hear of till on reddit
Ris747 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:45:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the till and the register are two different things, at least they were when I worked in retail. The till is the little drawer with the money in it. The register is the machine itself. At least for me it was
fat_schmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd never say yeah I'm just going to carry my register to the cash office, I'd say I'm going to carry my till.
StuStutterKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought of the till as the currency value inside the register.
Carlfest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd go further and say that the till is whatever is holding the cash. It could be the drawer in the register, it could be a zipped up bag before or after a shift. The cash register is the tangible machine. POS is an adjective describing the software or hardware.
dreamyfoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At my theatre we say all of the above or we just say cash.
Fuckin_Hipster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could, like, put it in a popcorn bucket...
dreamyfoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe... if we you know had buckets but alas we are in the era of popcorn bags.
JUGS_MCBULGE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course people aren't supposed to, but they do. They always do. Because of the implication...
GibsysAces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What tip? They just dropped the change on the floor
dreamyfoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I love cleaning theatres!!!!!
745631258978963214 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand the logic behind it. Many people just accept the change that they get from the cashier without looking, so it'd be too easy to be like "$14.62, out of a 20? Alright, $4.38 is your change, thanks have a good day!!!" especially if the person is really old or young and less likely to be able to do quick math.
Then they'd keep the extra dollar and make an extra $20 or whatever a day; if questioned about it, they'd be like "Oh, the customers let me keep a tip."
dreamyfoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly the reasoning
Rogscope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same but that didn't stop me from pocketing tips
Rebelpride1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I worked at McDonald's in high school if we were over or under more than 2 cents it was ground for firing
joh2141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some rules are meant to be broken. This is one of them.
gryphon_wing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same at my theatre, honestly I'll call people back to give them a nickel, don't fuck with my till! And my pockets are full of change already so if I take their change it just makes the clinking noise even more annoying, ffs people take your money.
iCwalzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I manage a movie theatre.. I set tips next to the register to use on future customers. Comes in handy when a kid is short 50 cents for their preferred candy choice.
Unless they tip me a fiver.... it may go missing when they tip a fiver.
I live in a small town, and tips don't happen often. I tell employees to set it next to the register when received. If their drawer is balanced at the end of the night I kindly ask them to clean the counter of debris.
shiguoxian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the last place that I worked at, we have a little box with spare change in it. If people told us to keep the change, we would just place them in the cash register.
At the end of the day, after counting the money, the excess goes into the little box. If we're missing out a few dollars/cents, we would just use the money from the little box. It's better than forking out the difference from our own pockets.
Holydiver19 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, there was more money in the Till than there should be. Your fired!
Morella_xx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:38:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're being sarcastic about this, but yeah, that could be a fireable offense if it means the cashier is regularly short-changing customers.
FUCK_THEECRUNCH ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:37:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have worked places that disapproved of your till being over just as much as if you were short. Basically being over or under just meant that you shouldn't be handling money
punknubbins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happens more often than you think. Someone who's till is over regularly is either seen as bad at their job or possibly defrauding customers.
dreamyfoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's consistently more or less than what should be you get audited eventually. The company sees it as ripping off the guest.
ktappe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you put it next to the till. Take a spare cup and label it "Leave a penny, take a penny" so customers can make change if they are 1 or 2 cents short. That makes everyone's lives easier and sticks by the rules.
dreamyfoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if we did that we'd get in trouble. The only thing the guest should see is only what the company wants them to see.
gabbythefck ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where I worked you weren't allowed to accept tips or you got fired. So no, I couldn't keep it, unless I wanted to lose my job over 4 cents. And yes, there were cameras everywhere and people legitimately got fired for this a lot.
suicidebylifestyle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:09:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure there are companies that have policy written up if a customer leaves change behind they must leave it in the till.
Snatch_Pastry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually, they're written more like "you're absolutely not allowed to personally keep it". So for really small change, like six cents, you just put it beside the register and use it if someone is a couple pennies short.
The store wants to account for every penny that it should have, and a till being over is basically as bad as a till being under. I've worked in a store's cash office, and you learn to love the cashiers who are always accurate to the penny.
myhairsreddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most places would fire you for that because it is against policy. When I worked at Wal-Mart we were told if a customer ever tipped us or refused to take their change that we were supposed to turn the money into the office.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:12:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What do you think happens if you're working the cash register and your manager sees you slipping money into your pocket? You don't get the benefit of the doubt, I'll tell you that much.
AberrantRambler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing if the manager is decent and the till is accurate.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try again
AberrantRambler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said anything on the odds of you actually having a decent manager.
Doelago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try working at a till and you will know how awkward it is putting money anywhere else than the till.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah ... Good luck making that argument if you got caught putting money in your pocket while standing at the register.
ScreamingFlea23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But getting 6 cents from someone is a little insulting.
Also there were places that I've worked in the past that rhymes with Rick-Fil-A, that don't allow you to keep tips. They pay decently of course, for fast food, but you can get into trouble if the managers catch you pocketing change from the customer.
At least at the one I was a shift manager at.
thiosk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i wouldn't be insulted. free money. i pick up pennies off the street with zero shame.
when I get to 200 I buy a powerball
STOPYELLINGATMEOKAY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like a shitty boss could accuse you of stealing if you decided to keep that change.
AberrantRambler ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:53:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like a shitty boss wouldn't really care if you kept the change or not he'd still probably just accuse you of stealing.
STOPYELLINGATMEOKAY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but maybe he could use the surveillance camera to show that you put some of the change in your pocket.
GoodOlBoy18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't keep the change because of loss prevention policies but I had many regular customers so I ended up being 4-5 bucks over every day
AberrantRambler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should have started a charity box thingie. If your boss yells at you for it, inform the social medias and reap the karma rewards.
GoodOlBoy18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We did for awhile the college had a money drive for rescuing dogs the goal was to save 15 dogs at 100 bucks each we saved 20
thiosk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it never would have even occurred to me to pocket the change O.o
Yupstillhateme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's how my manager got fired /s
joeyicecream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most places would have to fire you if they found out.
Supersaurus7000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd get investigated if I did that at my work, some workplaces aren't allowed to accept tips
nate81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just tell me to stick the change up my ass? You filthy animal.
suuupreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While you're technically correct, you can get in a lot of shit for it.
BigSeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even put it in the till
satanhitl3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked retail for a long time and they had a very strict 'no hands in your pockets while at the cash registers' rule. Heavily enforced.
BI19940657 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cameras
UndeadBread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where I work, it all goes into an envelope behind the counter and we save it up until we can have a pizza party.
Otto_Lidenbrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how you get fired.
However, if you work somewhere with a no tipping policy and do have regular customers who will want to tip you the Disney rule is a good one.
Say no at least twice with a polite "oh that's not necessary."
Say you aren't supposed to take tips. Never be to pushy or insult the customer by absolutely refusing to take it.
Typically at this point they will give up, throw the tip at you, or stuff it in your pocket for you. (Don't allow them to sexually harass you this way.)
When I worked at Disney, guests who came frequently would shove a 5 in my back pocket (Toon Town, so Jeans) and say "I know you aren't supposed to take this but I appreciate what you did." I would not get in trouble, and when I worked loss prevention I would not fire someone for the well-intentioned actions of a customer that did not affect my job.
fappolice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have very obviously never worked retail. Pocketing any sort of money anywhere near your till is a giant problem.
Greedos_Speedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everywhere I've worked they just told us to put it to the side of the register. Next person who needs a few cents to avoid breaking a bill gets it.
dcute69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its against company policy to take money this way in a lot of retail chains.
balrogwarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So does the bookkeeper.
FG_Regulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I worked at a theatre they had cameras behind the registers. They said, very specifically, that we would be fired if we ever took a tip because, ahem, "We pay you the minimum wage for non-tipped employees. If we wanted you to take tips, we would pay you less."
Elogotar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't take that advice if you want to avoid possible termination/jail time.
drpinkcream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a firin'
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:15:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
come on man everyone knows to put a little change cup on the side. Then you can help out other customers so they don't have to break another dollar when its something like $3.02
gabbythefck ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:21:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We were not allowed to keep a change cup on the counter as it could be construed as a tip cup and we were forbidden from accepting tips.
ArgonGryphon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We just keep it out of view of the customer, behind our giftcard sign.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I never really knew what to do with that when I worked as a cashier in Home Depot.
They allowed your till to be off a certain amount before being written up but it didn't matter if your till was off $X because you had too much money or were short. Whatever customers left really wasn't enough to cause too much of a problem but I still didn't want my till off if I could help it. Of course I couldn't stick that $0.02 in my pocket or else I would almost certainly lose my job. Do I leave it on the counter? Idk but can't you people just take your change?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly the same when I worked at Wal-Mart. It doesn't matter whether the till is over or under: if it's past 5$ it's considered as proof of incompetence. Please take your change if there are no ways to donate it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then you could just use that to round up for someone else
Gamecock28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say, just start a penny jar. Those are great for bills of $2.03 or such, just pay it forward there, or someplace else. Very convenient and won't mess up the nightly count.
crashandburnxoxo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone tells me to keep their change I do. I toss it in my purse. Add it to my coins at home. When I get a full roll I'll deposit it into my bank. Profit is profit. And when you're already scraping the bottom of the barrel every little bit counts ;-)
Barold_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I chuck it into my drawer, then when someone is a bit short I can just tell them to not worry about. I also work for a local business so there's nobody freaking out at me because my drawer is over or under 50 cents.
Parallax151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're telling you to keep it in your pocket as a tip or small bonus. Not for you to give your company extra money. Like I can't even conceive of why you would think that.
if your company doesn't allow tips, you tell people that you can't keep the change and give them their change.
Ace-of-Blades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not set it atop the till? Then when someone has a total of $11.06 you can say " I have the 6 cents covered" and make everyone's life easier?
DirtyGhettoOmelette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could put it on the counter for someone else to use if they are short.
1gsb8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe just keep it by putting it on top of the till so if someone else is short you can cover it. Or donate it if you've a charity box by the till.
newstuph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just set aside help round out odd ends. Sort of a personal take a penny leave a penny that you have full dominion over.
promethiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing out on the best game: keep the extra change outside the till, and use it to round people up so they don't get pennies back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah those fuckers leaving extra money, who do they think they are?
Rhinocerotic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i would always keep a running count in my head of how much change people had told me to keep over the course of the day, and i could always subtract from that fund if someone's total came to like $11.04 or something like that, so i don't have to give them 96 cents back when they give me $12. everyone wins!
rkugler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I did register, I would just put the change on the side. If someone was fumbling for exact change, a kid came and was just short, etc. I would just say I got it and use the leftover change.
nerdy_canadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at McDonald's and the solution to that was those little donation boxes by each cash. We were told to just drop any change people didn't want in there.
muklan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A lot of places get suspicious if you are on the money every night fyi, at places I've managed the sweet spot was +/- $1.00
gurry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fuck would that be? As a former manager, few things made my job easier than registers balancing out.
Really, who gets suspicious?
muklan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gas stations. 3 separate occasions, over the course of months of balancing perfect every night we found people stealing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally all you have to do is not put it in the till...
montrealcowboyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Put it in the jar at the back office, for the next cashier who's short.
Tsiyeria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would always take that change and leave it on top of the drawer. Then, if someone needed a penny or something, I could just say "Don't worry about it!" Kept me from having to shell out mondo change instead of a bill, and my till was always balanced. Always.
Nunuyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Save the change for when someone would otherwise get back, say, 99 cents.
MiamiPower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep the change you filthy animal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you care that much. Everywhere that I've worked has had a leeway as much +/ - $5 was ok.
Fiannaidhe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You set it off to the side, and when you get enough, they pay for your drink or snack.
TonySoprano420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Put it on the side and use it for the next person who needs a penny here or there. Take a penny leave a penny.
zsnesw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. Depends on the place. We always just kept a "change jar" for extras at the end of the night. We used it to balance the drawer back to an even number without the hassle of cracking open rolls from the safe. There was never more than a couple of bucks in it and no one wanted to steal mostly pennies and nickels.
RespekKnuckles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked it because it made my inevitable short drawer that much closer to even.
jalapenohandjob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An example of why I hated working at chains and corporate places. They discard the ability to deal with things on a case by case basis, and have to enact shitty "zero tolerance" policies on arbitrary things like a register being a small handful of change over. If your employee is over by less than a few dollars and they told you it was tips, just trust them ffs.
mysleepnumberis420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha keep the change means you keep the fucking change. It's a tip dummy.
AyeMyHippie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just set it to the side if it bothers you that much. That way you can give it to someone who needs to break a 20 over 2 cents. Jesus Christ, this is why retail doesn't pay shit to cashiers.
an-ok-dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep it Ya filthy animal
Guardian_Soul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for most people, but I usually expect them to either pocket it or stick it in a tip jar if I tell the cashier to keep the change
5082050 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The local shop owner doesn't charge me for using my card because I often let them keep the change when using cash. Well I assume that's why, we've never spoke about it
cphoebney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why put it in the till? I've had lots of retail jobs and just about all of them were okay with us keeping extra change like that on top of the register, and if someone was short a cent or two, or if their total was something like $14.01, you just put a penny in for the customer.
jsnforce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a common thing? I HATE pennies and always tell them to keep 'em.
ianthenerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's for this very reason that I tell people when they refund me out of the till that they should also refund the sales tax. Not only because I'd like the extra twelve cents worth of tax that comes with a dollar refund, but because I know it'll screw up their balance when it comes time to do the night audit.
It makes me sound like a total cheapskate, when really I'm only mostly one.
onthebrinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't you just keep it out of the register ?
RICKY_Nicholoff ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:05:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a broke college student, I proudly wait for the return of my 3 pennies when I shop
suicidebylifestyle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the reason that I never pay with cash, if anyone ever pays me back with cash I immediately stuff it in my money-fishbowl.
PsychoAgent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it awkward? Do you hate money? What's your cutoff amount for it to be not awkward anyway?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a cashier I love it when people tell me to keep the change, it can make the rest of my shift significantly easier with 6 cents
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of one of my more embarrassing moments that I only realized like, a decade later.
Girl borrowed 10 cents from me in middle school and I made a huge deal about getting it back (because it was just a way to interact with someone I wanted to be friends with ) and she finally slammed it on the table. Took me years to realize I was just being an asshole over chump change. Sorry, Brenna, I just wanted to be your friend.
Strawberrycocoa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother has a rule about this I've always liked: Give me back my change, I'll decide your tip. Keep my change, YOU just decided your tip.
Tarantulasagna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude I will go out of my way to pick a penny up off the ground
DustOnFlawlessRodent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't consider myself socially awkward or anything. But there's few experiences as socially weird as bringing up the lack of a five cent reusable bag discount.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend once said keep the change to a Jimmy Johns worker and she turned to her coworkers and went "wow I got a two cent tip! We are all rich!" and they gave us a dirty look so we took our sandwiches to go.
I always wait for my change now.
TylerC_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in Vegas, several cashiers asked if I wanted my change back! I was like "...MY change? Yes." I live in Jersey
AmazingKreiderman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only say "keep the change" at mom and pop restaurants/shops.
BisonBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything under a nickel I just tell the cashier to "drop the change" which they do into whatever cancer/sick kids awareness box on the counter or the take-a-penny tray
SlyCoopersButt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My workplace just has a dish on the counter that you can put your change in and if people don't have enough money for something we'll pay the difference with the dish money.
hellnerburris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wording is "don't worry about the change". Thay way I don't sound too smug or anything hah
orgpekoe2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I feel. When I do leave knowing I am still owed a bit of short change, I just hope they don't say anything and leave as quick as possible
leonprimrose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way I figure it, waiting for your change keeps things flowing normally. I've worked in front of a register. When people change up the routine sometimes it takes a second to process the difference and react because you get into such a habit. Better to just take your change and be on your way imo
crielan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just walk away. At first I didn't like it because it rude but I asked a few cashiers andthey said that's fine. Usually when it's a penny or few cents they hesitateslightly to see if your going to want it and receipt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just walk away before the cashier has a chance to give me the change back
setadoon177 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Magnanimous. Thank you.
drs43821 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why we get rid of the pennies
Rudy_2D_Muffrider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LPT request..
BillBillerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of saying "keep it", I say "don't worry about it".
Ryan_on_Mars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll often tell the cashier to keep the pennies. Such a silly useless piece of currency.
firestepper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good word right there.
Masked_Death ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always learned to just say "thanks" and walk off when you don't want change. Only say "keep the change" when you're tipping.
Metzler123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LPT, say "no change please"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is soo true
muffboxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work as a cashier and have people leave small amounts of change all the time. Trust me we don't care. In fact I just pocket it and usually end up with a dollar by the end of the day.
BadBetting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easier for them if you get your change back as extra money in the register makes some managers think you under pay change
onemessageyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just walk away unless i have to stick around for something other than pennies.
ucefkh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep it!
nagumi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just say thanks and walk away.
idriveatesla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just take it like a whipped dog, and shove it in my wallet, and dump it in a jar when i get home... now that jar weighs a good 30 lbs... i think i have a couple hundred dollars saved from doing that
TheSnowbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, you save some cashiers a lot of time saying to keep it. I love when people say that to me since the change is between 1 to 6 cents where I work at. Sometimes I'll run out of pennies/nickels during my shift and have to take some out of the safe, which can be a bitch if it's busy. But people telling me to keep the change kind of evens it out and I won't have to go into the safe and hold up the line lol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandma used to tell me how precious pennies were during The Great Depression. She told me to never ever take a single penny for granted because when she was a little girl it could be the difference between eating or going to bed hungry. "A penny saved is a penny earned" was a mantra I heard hundreds of times growing up, and it stuck. I can't walk by a penny on the sidewalk without picking it up & putting it in my pocket -- not because I'm afraid of going hungry, but because over the years I've learned that my grandma's wisdom was real and true and worth heeding for all my life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Socialbutterfinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not losing anything, I'm waiting for my change and making a lighthearted comment on a website about one of life's awkward moments. You sound so scoldy. It's not that serious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Socialbutterfinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh... I keep it, and use it to pay in exact change when I can. If something is $1.06 and I have the 6 cents it feels like I've saved a dollar because I only had to hand over one bill instead of two. I just don't enjoy that moment of waiting.
ItsYouNotMe707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lmao exactly this. i feel petty waiting for minimal change, but saying to keep it feels rude. #americanproblems
PaperCutsYourEyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just pretend I don't notice them handing me a couple of pennies and walk away.
crystalistwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A nickel and a penny doesn't slow anything down. Nothing awkward there.
FirePowerCR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just take the change and move on because that's what we are supposed to with with change. Also, it's not like they are allowed to keep anything we leave behind.
deh707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cents you may have a sixth sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or you could do whatever you want and not worry about what other people will think of you
bboydrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always keep my quarters though
TonySoprano420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single business should have take a penny leave a penny for this. I always try to make sure the next person who's Bill comes to $10.03 or some shit doesn't need to get 97 cents on change.
JohnEKaye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just say "I'm good," and walk out.
kabrandon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck what people think, buddy. If you want your 6 cents, take it! If you want to give it up because you can't be bothered, say you don't want it. Their conceptions of your person isn't your concern.
Personally, I have a change jar at home. And when I cash this load in, I'm gonna be a rich man. A RICH MAN. And I don't care if getting to that point spills some blood or ego along the way.
WinterSoldierAK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work retail and I'd keep a mental note of how much over my till was so if someone came up short to pay for something it wasn't that big of a deal, any remaining overage at the end of the day went into the St. Jude's donation. Just to clarify, I am not a mathematician, I worked at a dollar store so I wasn't dealing with a lot of cash.
yeliabish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I reply with "I don't need my change back", that way I'm not acting like it's a big tip or something, and I don't have to deal with annoying change.
nickyfur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did that at Taco Bell last night and felt like a baller
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just walk out if my change is like 10 cents or anything like that. Don't say "keep it!" just ignore it all together and walk out.
reyrey1492 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Magnanimous doesn't really fit here, generous is really the word you want.
NotTheHartfordWhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're six pence none the richer.
Kaibakura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone thinks people waiting for their own fucking money are cheap.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking noobs. Give them your cash. Grab your shit. Say thank you and be on your way. If they mention a receipt say you don't need it and keep walking.
Peelboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IDGAF Get your change I have saved 2300$ in change over the last 3 years. It's all just sitting in a couple 5 gallon water jugs.
stonerd216 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't say "keep it!" and just walk away. That's what I do when I don't feel like waiting for change.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Keep the change, you filthy animal."
oreo368088 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One time a waitress didn't bring me my change, 40 cents or so. I figured that made a good tip on my $20 meal. Which sucks for her since I usually leave tips on the high end.
DIGGYRULES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheapskate or not, I want my 6 cents back.
galacticboy2009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom likes to pay in exact change.
I think it's just a hobby for some people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like many of you haven't worked retail or did it wrong or had a really crappy boss. In my experience, being even a few cents under the records in the cash register was nerve wracking for me as it made me think I was making mistakes. Being over was good. Let them keep the change so the few times they gave out too much change doesn't ruin their day!
Cueball61 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw "don't worry about the penny", doesn't make it sound like I'm giving them an insulting 1p tip then
no-mad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you have the douchebag stores that ask you to donate the change. Fuck off . Dont spare-change me. I am sure it goes to the regional mangers boat payments.
ConqueefStador ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say thank you and walk away.
fadetogether ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember buying lunch once. The total was $4.98. I paid with a $5. Then I stood there waiting. The cashier looked up, saw I was still there, was kind of weirded out and asked "what, do you want your two cents??" I was like yeah boy those are my two cents hand em over.
Then another time I was a cashier and a (rather rude) lady was paying by cash, digging through her wallet and all trying to find coins. She was two cents short so I just stood there smiling politely and let her know she was a little short. She full on scowled at me and asked if I really needed a couple of pennies. I was like yeah girl I don't run this business I can't give you a two cent discount just cause you're too lazy to look for more change now hand em over.
No one wants to give me their two cents.
ThatGuyRememberMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've probably saved a hundred dollars in the past 2ish years from using a prepaid card and not spending cash and collecting change. So nice.
An_apples_asshole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once had a girl give me all 76 cents in change because she didn't like carrying change after she paid in cash. Seems odd to turn down almost a full dollar
zapbark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to play a game while waiting for the train called "hide my loose change in obscure spots in the station and see if it is still there tomorrow."
Best way to have 14 cents worth of fun.
RussianMartian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was magnanimous word of the day or something? I never saw it before until earlier on Reddit, and this is the second time today.
Subrotow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just say I don't need the change. Only if it's less than a nickel though.
cacheeseburger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All non quarter change can go to the dying kids. I'm a baller and don't have time for such nonsense
TravelingT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what if you just take that 6 back thousands upon thousands of times in your life? What's it worth then? That's how rich people think.
coralsnake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No! Change is change.
Zme1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i just feel like if im standing in line counting my change and waiting for a few cents back im just holding up the line and annoying people, that's why everywhere i can ill use my card/paywave as to keep the line moving asap and appreciate when people in front of me do the same.
x_cLOUDDEAD_x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I usually just throw it on the ground immediately when they hand it to me and then turn and walk away. That way I don't have to deal with it and if anyone else wants it they're more than welcome to it. Win win.
kasdanasal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a fast food place with a drive thru, no, I don't think it's weird you want your 6 cents back. It's you're 6 cents after all. And it's my job to give it to you. I just feel weird when I forget to grab your change out of the cash drawer (because I'm a dumb fuck sometimes).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word of advice: Us cashiers actually like being told to keep small change. Why? Because when another customer comes along and their total comes to $11.01 and they don't have any loose change and hand you a twenty, we can use that penny you gave us for them. So instead of having to give them 8 dollars and 99 cents, we can just give them 9 bucks. And they won't take all of our goddamn change.
Flarp_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sincerely believe people aren't this observant or judgmental.
JQbd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on where it is of course, could you imagine if everyone said "keep the change" and the change is 6 cents for everyone? Depending on the amount of people, that change adds up to a lot of profit.
unicornlocostacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously! Oh yes peasant. You may keep the six cents. I hope you buy yourselves many treasures.
exponentialDK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just leave it on the counter for the next person who may be 6 cents short.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Duff tipped me a quarter once when I worked at the ArcLight in Sherman Oaks. It was the day before she gave birth. MAGA
clickclick-boom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tell them to keep it because it just ends up annoying me having it jangling in my pocket, and I never need a few cents because you can't buy shit with them plus everywhere here accepts cards. It's like getting buttons in change or something.
comperr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:10 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i usually say something to the tune of "leave the pennies", or i manually put the pennies i receive into the little jar for children in africa or whatever they have.
act5312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:35 on December 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't wait for it if it's a couple cents. Thank the cashier and maybe say I don't need a receipt if it's like Starbucks or whatever before I step aside.
Dregannomics ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Seriously. Makes we wonder if he's really not that rich.
edit: Purely anecdotal, but the only people I know who really care about change are my poor friends.
xproofx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:27:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be honest here, he may be a billionaire, but even if you had Bill Gates money x 1000 you would not be able to afford not getting change back from movie theater concessions.
capnofasinknship ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:45:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what do you mean not able to afford that?
xproofx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Concessions cost a lot of money. My movie theatre has a loan office in it.
capnofasinknship ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:53:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
herp derp
YoungAdult_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:25:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Opposite. I feel he is very particular about his money.
BadMaximus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:21:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is probably rich because he waits for his change...
And now he is President because he is rich...
The moral of the Story... you too could be President if you pay in exact change.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like, despite being rich.
BadMaximus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is difficult to run a presidential campaign without money.
ihatehappyendings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even more so fighting vs media, establishment and other countries.
CliffordMoreau ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:13:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd think a rich person would care even more about change back. They know that 6 cents will add up to several thousands at the end of the run.
Jakethesnake98 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:12:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we get rid of the fucking penny yet?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the nickel and dime. I haven't seen anything for less than $0.25 for a while now.
calmlunatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you get rid of the nickel, you'd probably have to get rid of the quarter too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How come? You'd just round everything to the nearest $0.25. Don't forget, I also want to get rid of dimes.
dhelfr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:41:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And 1 dollar bills.... Oh wait, I hate carrying around coins.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you don't get rich leaving money on the table.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's rich because he wants his change back.
Dr_Edge_ATX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just think it's weird that rich people would carry change.
xigdit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly, Trump is a germophobe. If that's the case, he probably pays in exact change so he doesn't have to come in contact with nasty, contaminated bills and coins.
LukeTheGeek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, I think he's just smart with his money and is very aware of what he's paying. Why not pay in exact change when you have the chance? I do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly rarely pay in cash. I'm smart with my finances, so I pay with credit to get points and I never have to worry about someone taking r change. Carrying coins is just so annoying.
I suppose I would consider paying in cash if we abolished the penny, nickel and dime, as I honestly don't care about this denominations. Keep the quarter though because they're useful for parking, tolls and passing time at restaurants (see who can get the quarter to be partially off the table without falling).
KallistiEngel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's not how I was reading it. When I worked retail I wouldn't call what you're describing "paying in exact change". Paying exact change, to me, would mean there was no change to give him back because he gave the cashier the exact amount for the purchase.
Edit: I get what was being said now. Oops.
Dregannomics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he does that because people stopped giving him change. i.e. he would buy something that was $5.37, give them $10, and not receive his $4.63 back. So he started paying exactly $5.37 to avoid that situation. Or at least that's my 5min theory.
KallistiEngel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, okay. I get what you were saying now. Haven't finished my coffee yet so my brain's a little sluggish.
Conjwa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:51 on January 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno if this was ever resolved, but based on the other replies in this thread I'm going to say it's because he's such a germophobe.
PropsNPowder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda doubt that since you'd get fired for theft.
sinkwiththeship ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who wouldn't give that back? That seems weird.
fuckyou_dumbass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of Reddit thinks that once a person has a certain amount of money that society at large is welcome to a portion of it.
PropsNPowder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the only way I know of to interpret "exact change." It means you pay exactly what the item/service costs, as opposed to paying over and receiving change. I feel like that is what the person's saying, I think it was just misinterpreted. I kinda just think the image of Donald Trump carrying change in his pockets is a little silly. You think he'd use a card.
eastc057 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paying in exact change means if something is $3.47 you pay with change that equals that exact amount. It doesn't mean you don't ask for change back IME.
Edit: spelling
sonicmasonic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you don't get rich by spending money. You have to horde it. This is the essential problem with rich people.
zelpin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most movie theaters round to quarters for amounts so exact change isn't that complicated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Above certain level the change only clutter your pockets.
A_BOMB2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people take satisfaction in being able to pay in exact change.
Dregannomics ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:08:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that, I love it when I have exact change. But DT prides himself on being such a great business man, who if he worth as much as he says he is, makes more in ten minutes then most Americans will make in a year. I don't see how he can find it economically feasible to even care about something so seemingly small.
wyvernwy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it hard to imagine a person who is at or above the level of "comfortable", using cash at all. But I also have trouble imagining any billionaire handling cash. I have a friend who once had to deal with members of the Saudi royal family, for rather mundane reasons. There was one person who insisted on doing her own transaction business but it was obvious that she had zero exposure to the experience. I expect someone like Trump to be a bit like that so it's comforting to hear that he understands the function of money at the micro transaction scale.
cactuscat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps that's why she wanted to do it.
itsasecr3t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he is a germaphobe, so he pays in exact change so he doesn't get any money back.
evan938 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people don't get rich by giving away their money. I learned this doing pizza delivery for a few years. Tips are usually better at apartment complexes than they are in the 500k-1m+ houses.
Eddie_Hitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some pap took a photo of the backseat of Simon Cowell's Rolls Royce Phantom (ยฃ300k+ car) and pointed out the old Evian bottle filled with squash and the Subway discount coupons. Cowell is worth well north of ยฃ350m.
My oldest friend's dad used to run an insurance company and had a remuneration package of roughly ยฃ500k a year. At one point he was driving a 15 year old Audi.
Noah-R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that rich folk are so rich they can afford to throw around change all willy nilly. They're rich because they don't throw around change all willy nilly.
sharco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think its pretty clear at this point that trump does not like change ..
disambiguated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now you know why he's rich.
idiosyncrassy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His whole campaign was about change back
ruabaddfish2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have a saying.. "every little bit counts, even Donald Trump saves his pennies"..
katiehates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't get rich by squandering his change
KhabaLox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, he ran on the promise of change.
jbuck88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get that rich without wanting every penny in the world.
paedrarmy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying Trump doesn't want change?
Astropoppet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how rich people stay rich.
You've heard the saying; look after the pennies and the
poundsdollars will look after themselves, right?notathr0waway1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the germophobe thing.
MrBSPrestonEsq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last night at the McDonald's drive-thru the cashier said to me "Your change is only 14 cents, do you want it?" I was so taken aback; it never occurred to me that I could not want my change. After a long, ponderous pause, I just told her to put it in the Ronald McDonald House box.
Cainga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pay with a card. Always exact change. Never fumbling around looking for coins. Takes less time too.
averageRedditUser12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people don't want his change....
Sly142857 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, does "paying in exact change" mean waiting to get your change back? I thought it just meant that if it costs $5.37, you give $5.37 exactly...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just because he's old
Old people seem to do this a lot
backinNYC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
relevant: http://fusion.net/story/170645/donald-trump-check-prank-spy/
merelyadoptedthedark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more surprised that he had cash and coins with him. I would have expected him to use a credit card like most adults.
frugalNOTcheap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god for credit cards
ForeverInaDaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not very many Republicans are keen on change.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I played runescape I calculated the expected rate of profit for picking up gold off the ground. It turned out it had to be at least ~1000 gold to be worth the time to pick up, without taking into account the tedium of picking up tons of little piles of gold. So I just left them most of the time.
Now my dad... he would go running around picking up 5...10...50gp piles and banking a whopping 2-3K on his combat runs. We were both high level so I had explained to him multiple times how terrible of an income that is but he kept doing it and always had this self righteous look on his face like he was some master money manager.
TL;DR No Loche Ness monsters sorry!
drteq ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not rich and I usually don't want my change back.
Ace1999 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone likes change. Except for Obama.
911isaconspiracy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:17:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with that? People pay exact change with debit and credit cards..
Darklordofbunnies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:27:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of wealthy people are pretty tight with money, it's how they got wealthy.
MrsYoungie ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised he paid at all - half expected that he would give you an autograph instead and call it even.
MBTHVSK ยท 1729 points ยท Posted at 16:26:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he doesn't drink alcohol. Maybe he just slurps fancy fruity sugary mixtures.
Tsquare43 ยท 3428 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't drink because his brother Fred died from Alcoholism.
[deleted] ยท 1604 points ยท Posted at 17:08:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's very sad to hear. I've dealed with extended family members who were alcoholics and while I don't like trump I wouldn't wish it on anyone and I'm sorry he had to go through that.
[deleted] ยท 499 points ยท Posted at 17:43:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 850 points ยท Posted at 17:54:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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squidwardtortelIini ยท 613 points ยท Posted at 18:23:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is also one of the only substances that can cause death from withdrawal.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 486 points ยท Posted at 20:34:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what killed my old man. A case of beer a day for 30 years. Autopsy showed no alcohol in his system. He finally tried to kick it and it caused a major heart attack.
homesweetocean ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 21:22:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking terrible. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 21:49:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the kind words, folks. But, truth be told, due to the nature of the situation, I hadn't associated with him for the last 10 years of his life. We were not close, at all. That being said, I'm eternally grateful that I got to sit with him and tell him that I love him and I forgive him shortly before the news came. It was closure that really helped me stay strong through it all.
The_Red_Paw ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 10:26:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my dad got sick (partly from too much booze) his oldest friend, Basil, came to visit and he stayed at my place. Baz told me about his dad passing and that he didn't get a chance to tell the old man he loved him. He insisted I'd forever regret it. "Say those three words or you WILL regret it".
This was not the sort of relationship my dad and I had. Nonetheless the next day I swallowed my embarrassment and told him 'I love you, Dad.'
It was...awkward to say the least.
Now, 16 years later I know it was- hands down- the best advice I have ever gotten in my life.
Damn, I still miss the Old Guy.
ASeriouswoMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he drink one beer only, or at least one every day? I've always thought that a drink every day is OK, it's more than two when it becomes a problem.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:37:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He drank a minimum of 24 beers a day. I witnessed him drink cologne,listerine,rubbing alcohol,etc.He was terribly addicted to alcohol. Fun fact: the rubbing alcohol briefly stopped his heart. That was a great 911 call as he woke up and immediately raged that I called the fuzz.
ElectricPresident ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:34:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said a case which usually means at least 12 if not 24.
opinionswerekittens ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:20:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened with my mom. She was a vodka drinker though, tried to quit and had a bad seizure. Fucking sucks.
Just read your other comment, was also estranged from her. Getting the phone call from her parents that she was in a coma in the hospital really sucked. I'm happy that you got closure, I was less fortunate.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:26:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to hear that. Sometimes life just sucks. My younger brother, similar to you, did not get that luxury. In fact, the last conversation my brother had with my father ended with my father calling him a "worthless piece of shit". I know it hurts him deeply, as he is now self medicating with alcohol and taking the same path my father chose. As I said, sometimes life is just a bitch.
FrOzenOrange1414 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stories like this are why I'm glad I was able to quit almost six months ago after 2-3 years of near daily drinking.
Alcoholism sucks to deal with, sad to hear about Fred Trump. It devastated Donald and is the reason he doesn't drink or use any kind of substances, even cigs.
quaybored ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:43:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, that's a lot of beer.
ghostbackwards ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:40:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at a quart of vodka a day.
Its a frightening thing to be an alcoholic.
GertBfrobe233 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:47:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. It was nuts. Haven't had a drink in over 4 years.
charliedarwin96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fucking shit, good for you for finding the motivation to quit.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:54:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends what you call a case. 12 beer a day is a lot more than normal people drink, but it's not a lot for an alcoholic. I'm surprised it was enough that going cold turkey killed him.
In_Liberty ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:16:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where I'm from a "case" is 24 beers.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I was wondering. A case here is 12. 24 is a two-four or a flat.
Turdle_Muffins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:05:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stateside, a case is 24. We've got a four pack, six pack, twelve pack, case, or thirty. Depending on the brand there are also 18's, but they're not carried everywhere. Past the twelve ounce cans that aren't sold singularly we have 16's, tallboys, and 32's. Some people call 16's tallboys, but they're not right in the head. We even have micro size beers now in like an 8 ounce.
You can get varying amounts of cans and sizes. My pisswater comes in odd size/ratios, my two favorites being a six pack of 16's, and an eighteen of 16's. Then again, a pint of liquor here is 375ml where as a half pint is 200ml.
.. I may be an alcoholic ..
HerZeLeiDza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. And alternatively, a case is also 12 x 750ml here.
ROK247 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:10:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yep - most have to drink hard liquor because the sheer amount of beer necessary to get them drunk becomes a logistics issue.
joe579003 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would have to drink on the toilet. I guess modern day alcoholics have their phones, though.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, I was always shocked as to how he seemed to never pee. If I drink one Coke I pee like 4 times. He drank constantly and took very few bathroom trips. Like, his ducking bladder and kidneys ceased functioning or something.
restepo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the same boat. I can only assume that my body is so dehydrated that it is trying to absorb any water from my alcohol intake. But yeah I drink a shit ton and pee twice a day
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slow and steady wins the race. Substitute 1 drink a day for water. Maybe slowly substitute more. Get them kidneys pissing like champs!
restepo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I sometimes drink water during the day when I'm in the office. So maybe that counts?
The cutting back/increasing water part is the hard thing! What's the point of drinking water?!
quaybored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, pouring and drinking a glass of water can take the place of pouring and drinking a glass of booze.
FluddyWaters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guilty.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
24 a day, minimum. Toward the end he started on the whiskey to help keep the tremors at bay.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that'll do it. Sorry for your loss.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No worries. Thanks for the kind words โบ
glowinghamster45 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:34:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Piggybacking on this comment for a PSA. If you or someone you know is an alcoholic, DO NOT QUIT/LET THEM QUIT COLD TURKEY. It seems like a good idea to so many people when they finally hit that breaking point and want to clean up, but it can literally kill you. Go to your doctor and tell them your situation. They can tell you the proper, safe steps to take.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:46:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is very true. Many people don't realize how dangerous alcoholism is. Few other drugs can cause death from withdrawals. Nasty business, alcoholism.
Samizdat_Press ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The proper steps are to taper off while taking benzos.
ed_merckx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old co-worker from new York would probably have been what you considered a high functioning alcoholic, drank every day, I remember hanging out with him and watching him down half a bottle of blue label over the course of an evening and seeming perfectly normal, maybe slurring a little bit, and I could tell he wasn't sober, but far from rambling drunk.
Dude was a genius, makes great money, doesn't have family issues and was in a great long term relationship. Well his girlfriend ended up getting pregnant so he decided to stop drinking, quit cold turkey and almost died. I think his house cleaner found him passed out shaking (I guess seizures are common), lucky she found him or he probably would have died. ended up getting to the hospital and got the proper supervision to taper off, I think they had him still drink and take benzos.
Never went to rehab and hasn't had a drink in over three years, doesn't attend meetings or anything and says he literally doens't think about drinking. I know there's different definitions of alcoholics, but it in no means just controlled his life. In his words he said it just made everything more fun and he was bored.
I think that's what can be so dangerous about it, that unlike a hard drug where you think about it all the time, to a lot of people drinking is just habitual and socially acceptable. You build up a tolerance and have to drink more and more, yet it's readily available. Something happens and you say "as shit, cant be drinking anymore, might as well just stop all together", and a lot of people probably can, but it can be pretty bad.
Doctor friend of mine said he would probably recommend you trying to cut out all hard liquor first, just drink beer and then change things about your lifestyle and force yourself to drink less over time. For really bad cases (like drinking a bottle a day and being drunk 24/7) he says most people need to be supervised and you tapper off with benzos.
BlueCatpaw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:54:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rip from an alchy. Still trying to quit.
FrOzenOrange1414 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:52:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/stopdrinking was a literal lifesaver for me. Six months sober here after drinking daily for almost 4 years. You can do it.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, its a journey not a destination. As cliche as it is, take it one day at a time. Accept help from those that love you. Don't feel like you can't tell your friends and family "its a rough day for me". Let them encourage you. When my son was born I quit smoking. What worked for me was to personify cigarretes as a person that I hated. I was like, fuck cigaretes, all they do is drain my money and make me feel like shit. Dunno if any of that helps, but my new hatred for cigarretes has gotten me to 5 yeqrs without a smoke. One day at a time ๐
glucose-fructose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like that personifying idea, nice one.
Stickel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same thing happened to a girl my age (late 20s) in my small town, she was a heavy daily drinker and she tried quitting cold turkey and died from withdrawal :-(
FrOzenOrange1414 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:40:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why you should always get medical help to quit, especially if you start hallucinating which is called delirium tremens or DT's.
I had DT's almost exactly two years ago and spent six days in the hospital.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:28:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's never too late to seek help,friend. You're a complete stranger to me and I'm sitting here crying for you. Don't be ashamed to get help, there are people who love you. Life gets better, I promise. I've been through addiction and can promise you that it does get easier.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the support. I've drastically cut down on my alcohol consumption over the past two years. But I still feel like my heart wants to spaz out when I get heated over something. I'm going to miss seeing my children in their 40s', but that seems better than dementia.
yadda4sure ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
addiction is something i struggled with as a young adult. i just couldnt stop. shit go so bad that i just drank to forget, and then id drink to forget what i had done when i couldnt remember doing anything. i drank a handle a day by 22. ive been sober almost 5 years now. i have faith that you can do it, for yourself and your family.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Hu5k3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you afford to drink so much? Seriously. I am not acquainted with the exact cost of alcohol these days, but it seems expensive when I see it in the store.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... what do you do with your paycheck that I don't know the amount of?
joe579003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a /r/cripplingalcoholism dude? Those are your people, man.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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joe579003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does humor have to do with anything? I just wanted to refer you there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are not familiar with the costs of alcohol, consider yourself lucky. Don't pay any mind to it either.
Hu5k3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to drink a lot of beer when I was in the service, but it was overseas and it wasn't expensive. And I was unmarried, so I only had to pay my own way.
Please don't think I'm judging in anyway. I don't drink anymore, and I often wonder how people afford it - it seems terribly expensive. That's all - just a question which has passed through my melon a number of times.
flickerkuu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A case a day? That's a bit excessive...
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Severe alcoholism. As soon as he would wake in the morning he would have to use both hands to guzzle a beer to stop the tremors. Abstaining during sleep was enough to kick in his withdrawals.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad has been an alcoholic all his life and obviously for all my life that's what I've witness as a father figure and has shaped what my reality is for a dad.
Man of man did I always wish for the dad who wanted to play ball with me or somehow be involved in my life. Unfortunately, I drew the dad who says, "have fun playing, I'll be at the bar".
It's one thing to drink yourself to death but when you have a wife and kids who look to you for guidance and "how to be a man". It's fucking beyond me.
One good thing did come out of it all. I have a solid view on what NOT to be. And I thank you for that Dan. I hope you have an extra one for me tonight yah selfish prick.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good on you for learning from the situation. Breaking the cycle is true strength. Be there for your family and remember that his bullshit made you a better father. One bright side, we get to save money on Father's Day unlike all those other schmucks with good dadsnever bitter
Christhedude4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this caused?
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol has bad side effects when discussing addiciton.
ermaecrhaelld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is so very sad.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok, I learned what not to become from the situation. My shitty childhood makes me be a better father. I wouldn't be the man I am today had I not walked through Hell.
PabstyLoudmouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by a "case"? 12 beers, 24 or 30?
Koolorado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing that a person can drink a case a day. Maybe one, two, three here, if that much a day.
IIBADII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father with liver cancer. Horrible. Same thing as yours case of Old Milwaukee.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old Milwalkee or Milwalkees Best is what my father drank, as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds exactly like my old man. He died in 2009 at 56, not old at all. Although we stayed in touch right up until he died he wasn't the same person in the end, a shell of his former self.
It had completely consumed him. I hoped so badly he would be able to stop if not for me but, for my own kids.
I still miss him a lot but, I don't miss seeing what he had become during the end of his life, it's sad to see the man you grew up looking up your whole life to in such a terrible state.
GoodHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just cold turkey or attempt to quit alcohol on your own. The withdrawal is quite fearsome. For those attempting to quit drinking after years and years of dependence, please seek medical advice to help you, or else you might die
AnonNurse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for your loss. This is all too common. Most don't know that abrupt quitting of alcohol can result in death. Godspeed to your Father.
Minnesota_Nice_87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:41:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to make light of your loss, but Archer has said in multiple occasions that "cumulative hangover will kill" him.
DannyTao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad also died from alcohol withdrawal.
[deleted] ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 18:36:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and benzodiazepines.
KigurumiCatBoomer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:23:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which function the same way as alcohol and causes the same withdrawal symptoms.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:29:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't function exactly the same way, but super close.
skinnedrevenant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:15:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing is benzos like Valium are used to treat or prevent alcohol withdrawals in some cases. Sedative hypnotics are fucked, yo. I do love a good beer though.
totesnotira ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:50:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Benzos will straight up destroy you. Faster than alcohol.
I had access to pharmaceutical grade benzos for about 3 years in my early 20's as a lab instructor in a Uni (they were used in a bunch of labs for the pharma students).
I now have a drinking problem, but Jesus fucking Christ, the withdrawal from the benzos was fucking horriffic.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:23:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man fuck benzos. I had access to the pure powder form of several benzos for the last 2 years and it only takes one dosage fuckup before you come too in the ER finding out you drove completely through a telephone pole, lost your job, and completely pissed your family and friends off all in a matter of hours.
Not to mention the WDs that last for 6 months some times.
Just stick to drinking guys.
trichofobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read horror stories of blackouts from bars a bunch. I'm curious about trying them, but the margin for error being so small and the lack of reputable dealers around is making me wait.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:51:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Although benzos are essentially alcohol in pill form. That's why drinking and abusing them is so deadly
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:07:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually they're pretty different. The only similarities are their potentially fatal withdrawal and depressant effects. They work on completely different receptors (Except GABA - hence the calming effects and potential cross-tolerance) which is why Benzos can cause dissociation and retrograde amnesia far worse than ethanol.
CatLover99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, the amnesia for both alcohol and benzodiazepines has to do with essentially shutting down the flow of information to the hippocampus and benzodiazepines do a much more efficient job of that. Alcohol blackouts are actually events where so much alcohol has been consumed that the hippocampus is essentially shut off and thus events are not recorded to memory.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not that different. They're definitely different, but they're fairly similar. They don't work on the same GABA receptors either. I think they work on B and alcohol works on A, idk I forget.
JustAnotherNut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:35:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They both primarily work on GABA-A. They are both very similar and can even share a cross-tolerance. Alcohol primarily works on GABA, but also has effect on dopamine, serotonin, NMDA and some others.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, TIL
carlinone ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:26:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been addicted to both. The funny thing is, it happened because I have really bad anxiety. Self-medicating, really. But during withdrawal, you realize "Wow, this wasn't worth it. This is far worse than what I felt in the first place." It's hard to explain to people, they always assume you were just out for fun and were being careless.
crumb_bucket ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:51:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just last week finally got over the last of the withdrawal from benzos after being prescribed them for years - withdrawal went on for like 6 weeks...the first several weeks I was essentially nonfunctional. It was BAD. After going through that, I will never touch benzos again. And weirdly enough, my anxiety isn't bad at all now.
legumey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:12:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once missed my dose of klonopin for three days. Everything was fine (since klonopin lasts long in the system) until the last night. The only way I can describe it was that I was absolutely sure I was going to die. This is what death feels like.
carlinone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best of luck to you, seriously. I went through that too--it does get better, and you'll be tougher for it. I got a little off-topic here, didn't mean to.
ShamrockShart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a person with high anxiety it can be quite the experience the first time you get drunk and realize a) the extent of the anxiety you walk around with every day and b) what it feels like (amazing!) to not feel anxiety for once!
Careful, kids!
oneinchterror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost everyone I've ever known who got addicted to anything started because they were self medicating for some (often perceived) personality flaw. People don't turn into junkies because they want to.
legumey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't hate on benzodiazepines. Just because some people abuse them doesn't mean they don't have therapeutic value.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:29:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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snowbunnie678 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been on benzos for 5 years now and they really help, I fully expect to be on them for life. So no withdrawals..yay I guess
flexthrustmore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have been prescribed Valium 2 times and both times I went through the entire weeks supply in about 2 days. Not for recreational purposes, but because they just don't seem to do anything to me at low dosage. I told my doctor the first time, the second time he upped the strength to a level that he said would make me a stumbling mess if I went over the dosage, I took half the box again on the first night and got some mild relaxation, the second night I took the rest and nothing happened. There's now a note on my file to never prescribe benzos to me because apparently if I take enough to actually have an effect for any prolonged length of time, the withdrawal will most likely kill me.
WaltonGogginsTeeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to chase them with alcohol to really get the effects.
DiabloDropoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...or move up to klonopin. If you don't feel klonopin nothing in the benzo family is going to work for you.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:10:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say they didn't, but that's a nice straw man you've made there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain this straw man analogy or whatever it is to me?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't take a stance on the issue, but he assumed my stance and argued against it. He built an argument that was easy to knock down like a straw man.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:28:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I understand now. Thanks I've just heard it used a few times recently and never had any clue what they were talking about because apparently I suck at context clues.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All he said was their withdrawals can kill you....which they can.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Currently withdrawaling from benzos..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How long were you taking and how long have you quit now? And stay quit btw.... had a friend go to the hospital with a cold, turned to pneumonia and his organs all shut down cause he had destroyed himself over the years with Xanax and whiskey.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:32 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2mg kpin for over 2years. First time I've ever finished my script early. Been a week now and I'm getting a refill today. I'm not ready to quit yet
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and GHB.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This and alchohol are almost one and the same, this is why benzo's are used to treat alchohol withdrawal, they have the same physical affect on the brain.
ed_merckx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
except benzo's are the main thing they give you when people are going through alcohol withdrawal.
frontrangefart ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what happened to Amy Winehouse.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:12:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too true. My job I see alot of people coming offa different drugs, stuff like method and heroine they just get bitchy and dope sick for a few days but give them a week or 2 and they are straightened out. But alcohol really messes them up. Like one guy who demanded to talk to his brother that wasn't there and wanted to hug him mom before she left for work who died 10 years earlier
Eddie_Hitler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:23:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're truly alcoholic, don't ever just go cold turkey like you can with tobacco.
Seek proper medical advice.
canihavemymoneyback ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:52:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to rehab back in 2002. When I arrived I had alcohol in my system and they actually told me to go home and come back the next day 100% sober or they would give my spot to the next applicant. I almost died that night. I can remember trying to drink a glass of water and I shook so badly that I never got a drop down my throat. When morning came and I returned to the rehab it only took them a couple minutes to summon an ambulance. I should be dead. I will never forget that night as long as I live. It was worse than all my drinking added up together if that makes sense.
greenbabyshit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rehabs are much smarter now. I was told on my initial screening call to make sure i was ready to test positive on a drug test when i came in or i would be turned away. I scored a 10 out of 12 (12 panel test) which i am still confused about a few of those. Haha.
WaltonGogginsTeeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! Me too, I didn't test positive for my DOC because I had actually relapsed on other substances. They had to finagle a little to get insurance on board. They thought since I didn't test positive, I must not have a problem with it. They didn't test for subs....
howtochoose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gah..why is it even legal then?!
butterflyknives ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hrmm as a drinker for several years daily i kinda just slowed to once a week. Im not in danger ya? I hope im in danger tho.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're fine. Otherwise you'd know by now. Alcohol withdrawals are no joke. Look up Delirium tremens.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you decrease use slowly you're totally safe. You just need to give your body time to adjust to less alcohol. If you take away all alcohol from your body when it's used to having lots then it won't be able to adjust quick enough and you'll die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You doing all right, mate? There are people here who would be happy to listen if you need an ear.
butterflyknives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have some motivational problem, all the ears cant fix that. Its something that i just gotta tell myself to get up and do. But im getting better tho. Well i think i am. :) Thank you for the kind reply
MBTAHole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, alcohol and benzos. If you're planning on quitting either and you're a heavy user you absolutely should check into a detox so you can be medically monitored for the next 3-7 days. Almost all insurance will cover at least this part of your treatment.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not that hard to taper off by yourself, as long as you have some. Just keep dropping how much you take by 1/4 every week or two. If you feel like you're in danger, take some more. Just make sure you know what signs to look for that you may need to take more.
MBTAHole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an ignorant comment that ignores almost every physical and psychological aspect of addiction and alcoholism.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it really isn't. But whatever you say buddy.
WaltonGogginsTeeth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone knew how to taper or moderate, they never would have become an addict. You sound just like my friend who swore he would never let it control him. Then he OD'd in a guy's bathroom and died.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what you're talking about. If you're actually trying to quit without going cold turkey you can taper. If they're going to a treatment facility they want to quit, it's not like they can't leave and get more drugs either, so long as they admitted themselves.
Swimmingindiamonds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol and benzos are the two big ones that can kill with withdrawal. You really need medical supervision of some type.
(I realize you didn't say it was the only one, just adding onto it.)
Pinoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Benzos are up there with alcohol. But fortunately they're way harder to get. And unfortunately for easily addicted people that need a way out..
ed_merckx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always tell this story as a joke, but it can be serious as I later found out. So I had three good friends who studied abroad in Thialnd for two months over the summer. Pretty much drank non stop throughout the entire thing, not like "oh I've had a few beers every day and gone out a couple weekends over the last month", but full on hard liqor get drunk in the morning and switch to whiskey at 3pm. So their last few days they decide to travel around the country a bit and see all the touristy stuff outside the area they were in. One of them decided to stop drinking through this and started to get really sick, shakes, cold sweats, passing out and all that.
So they take him to a hospital or urgent care type place and the doctor told him he's likely going through alcohol withdrawal. His exact words were "you don't wan't to go through that shit here, it's will be hell and can be dangerous, just keep drinking until you get back to the states and go directly to your doctor". He actually wrote it on the discharge report, "keep drinking". They thought it was hilarious and posted it all over facebook and that.
Told the story to a doctor client of mine once and he got super serious and told me alcohol withdrawal is no fucking joke, if he was in the same situaiton with limited resources he probably would have given the same advice. It's often better to tapper off of it and if it's serious just stopping cold turkey can be deadly, he's seen a number of people die in the hospital from withdrawl, each one decided to quit cold turkey, or in a few cases I think it was homeless people who couldn't get access to liquor and ended up dying.
Crawfish_Fails ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people can die from heroine withdrawals too.
KigurumiCatBoomer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You thought wrong.
ghostbackwards ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They might feel like it but won't.
I have a few friends who have gone through it.
verbify ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:53 on December 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.patmoorefoundation.com/blog/can-heroin-withdrawal-kill-you
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. They can die from barbiturate withdrawals though.
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decideonanamelater ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:06:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, from withdrawal. So, take an alcoholic who has spent every day drunk for the last few years, have them stop drinking completely, there's some chance they'll die from it. It's not a hangover from drinking the night before, its from dependency on alcohol (and can kill, yes).
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bloodfall90 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:17:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A hangover is when your body is dehydrated, and deficient of different vitamins and electrolytes.
tetramitus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, hangovers are generally from dehydration and some alcohol byproducts. Withdrawal is from physical dependence, your body is used to the depressive effects of alcohol, so when you don't have that constant depressive drug your heart and brain sometimes can't keep up, people die of heart attack and stroke from alcohol withdrawal as people experience a spike in blood pressure.
decideonanamelater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Hangovers are just dehydration+ stuff from metablozing alcohol. nothing to do with withdrawal.
shikkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hangover is due to dehydration I believe
Steel_Forged ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's usually from dehydration. Try drinking a glass of water every few beers and the difference in the morning is amazing.
fistulatedcow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were lol. A hangover is due to a combination of effects, mostly(?) dehydration, but definitely not withdrawal.
Alcohol withdrawal can kill you because of a sudden increase in neurotransmitters that the alcohol had suppressed, which can lead to seizures and other dangerous symptoms. But this suppression only occurs after long periods of heavy drinking and after tolerance is built upโlike in alcoholism.
Source: I googled it, I'm not a doctor
bayouekko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hangovers are usually just severe dehydration.
gharbutts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that person was talking out of their ass. A hangover is mostly dehydration and the body recovering after being challenged to filter so much alcohol.
Reddit_beard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even minor withdrawal symptoms are incomparable to a hangover. Flu like symptoms, hallucinations, the whole fucking lot.
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TLee21 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:02:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in college and I get seriously hounded by my two roommates since I rarely drink. It's not that I'm against it, I'm just on medication that definitely shouldn't be mixed with alcohol. I've explained this to them multiple times but they still pour me shots and act upset when I won't take them. I hate that people I know who drink always need to be around others who drink, they can't just enjoy my company otherwise.
nachtmere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does get better as you get older. People don't like being drunk around sober people - it's not about you, it's really about them. They don't want to do anything embarrassing that you'll remember better than them. Eventually drinking becomes more of a social chill thing than a binge drinking situation and you'll find that people are more likely to commend you for not drinking or not mention it at all.
ghostbackwards ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:45:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a photo of me go kind of viral recently of a before and after me drinking and getting sober.
Overall reddit was really positive and engaged about it. Once it hit Facebook all of the crazy negative stuff came out. Somepeople are just really uninformed about alcoholism.
Ebmoclas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you give me an example of the negative stuff? I'm trying to wrap my head around it and failing. Cheers!
SigurdsSilverSword ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:54:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean not going somewhere because they don't serve alcohol is a little much, how would you go out to eat otherwise? But if they only serve alcohol I could see the problem
SuicideBonger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:46:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I hope you and your brother are in better places. As a recovering Heroin addict, alcohol is still the most sadistic drug out there. It kills so many more people than anything I've seen, including heroin. It's horrible.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really make that comparison because more people drink alcohol then those who use heroin. If you're looking at percentages of those who use that die then that would be more comparable.
SuicideBonger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. I think I meant to say that Heroin can kill in an instant, while alcohol usually takes many years, and losing everything you hold dear in the process. I'm not saying that heroin doesn't do that as well, I'm just making the comparison.
cailihphiliac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it's because I'm in my mid-twenties, but when I tell people that I don't drink, they seem to assume it's because I'm a recovering alcoholic, and they look at me with sympathy.
I'm not an alcoholic though, I just don't like beer or wine, and it never seems appropriate to tell them I'd rather have a white russian.
VicisSubsisto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried joining a bowling league?
cailihphiliac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because only people from that movie you're referencing like white russians?
VicisSubsisto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You said it never seems appropriate to request one. I was suggesting an environment where it would be.
cailihphiliac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:20:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh. It looked like you were making an out of place movie reference. So you can drink at bowling places? (I don't know what they're called.)
VicisSubsisto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bowling alleys. And yes. Although some only serve beer.
But if you feel awkward about asking for a White Russian, at least you could pass it off as a movie reference.
cailihphiliac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone outside of Reddit has seen that
VicisSubsisto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...Really? You think the nearly 7 million people who saw it in theaters, plus everyone who's seen it since, all went on to become active Reddit users?
cailihphiliac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nobody talks about it outside of reddit, so maybe they're just the only ones who remember it
BallisticBurrito ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a liver disease that would have made drinking an extremely dumb thing to do and I was still openly mocked for not drinking.
Ingliphail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Wisconsin.
Source: Wisconsin
TheKlonipinKid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:01:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree...ive done most every drug and used to be addicted to strong opiates like fentanyl and oxymorphone and high doses of benzos
But nothing is really addictive as alcohol...idk if its because its so easy to get, price to effect maybe cauae its cheap, the ambiance and atmosphere when you drink or just the effect but im easily an alcoholic now
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Jarrz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I mean, for heroin you're probably in the minority there, no?
Ebmoclas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they are in the minority. I've done some work with addicts and quitting heroin looks like something is trying to rip your soul out through your skin.
Jarrz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this guy makes it sound like quitting nail biting lol
Although I don't doubt he's telling the truth
nochinzilch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might have used methadone or tapered off. It's maybe not the best idea, but you can taper off without too much discomfort. You just have to be dedicated and careful.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a methadone clinic on Wednesdays were I worked. Some did really well with it and got clean, some still really struggled with the last push at the end. It beats the hell out of cold Turkey, but many people still find it deeply unpleasant.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting yourself to quit heroin might be tougher then alcohol, but the actual quitting and withdrawals themselves? No way. Alcohol and benzo withdrawals are brutal, and even dangerous.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with substitutes then heroin withdrawals can be massively tempered, but if untreated the withdrawal can also kill. Don't get me wrong, I am not talking down the effects of alcohol or bento withdrawal, I have seen plenty of all them. It is different case to case and the depth of the physical addiction.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, heroin withdrawals will not kill anyone except for the exceptionally weak, such as children, old people, or those already weak due to another serious illness of some sort, and even then it's very rare. The only withdrawals that are universally dangerous are alcohol, benzo's, and barbiturates, at least as far as things that are used recreationally goes.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair the only patients going through withdrawals that were monitored in hospitals WERE the ones with additional medical histories, severely malnourished, on other drugs etc. So you have a good point.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you could reasonably expect to survive a case of the flu, then you could almost surely withstand H withdrawals.
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, as I explained, we are on the same page.
Smalls_Biggie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually quitting them, probably not. Getting yourself to want to quit them, probably. It generally would be easier for one to want to stop using alcohol, but the withdrawals for it are brutal, arguably the worst withdrawals one could face.
macswaggerrrr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very habit forming. My dad was an alcoholic for as long as I could remember. Because of that I thought I'd never become that way after seeing it firsthand. But then years into my mid-20's the right set of circumstances came up and I abused alcohol for 3 and a half years on a daily basis.
I haven't had alcohol in about 24 days, I don't know that I'll stay this way or if I'll never drink again but it was a really difficult first step to take
filled_with_bees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason it doesn't seem so is because it was one of the first drugs that was popularized across the world. We're so used to it being everywhere that we don't think about it as all that dangerous.
southerstar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:04:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After i got out of the army i started drinking really hard. Like hiding pints of cheap vodka everywhere. I was so addicted that if i went about 6 hours without drinking i would break out in hives and start to itch really bad. I finally kicked the habit almost 2 years ago now. Funny thing, i was cleaning my car out the other day and went under the trunk mat, soare tire well and found an unopened bottle of vodka in there. Immediately dumped it out and threw it away. Felt really good to do that and called my wife and told her. She was proud but i could tell she was a little taken a back. She never really knew how bad it was because i was what they call a functioning alcoholic. My body is permanently changed from just a little over 2 years of hard drinking.
Pavotine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:28:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mum really started hitting the booze when she was in her late twenties. Ended up with moderate social drinking outwardly but behind the scenes she was sinking a litre of vodka a day. Coma and death at 42.
Alcohol is such a potent drug. I've long wished my mother was a pot smoker rather than a drinker but that's not really a huge part of our culture like drinking is. She probably still be here if that were the case.
ahfoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had several close friends die of alcohol poisoning or suicide due to alcoholism. It is surprisingly common. A step-cousin of mine went into a coma and subsequently died last year. He was a chronic alcoholic. Alcohol definitely does kill quite regularly.
totesnotira ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, the "habit forming" bit is especially true. The "habit" bit even helps with self-justification.
Its taken me a fair while to alter my (somewhat comical) "bottle of mead a day" habit ("but its a different one every day..."). It is taking me longer to kick the " go for a beer after work. And another beer. And another." habit. The three bars I cycle through all know my order the second I walk in...
Edit: I tell myself its how I "wind down" after shitty days at work, but that is basically every single day...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost a month sober here! Used to drink daily for...years.
PanamaMoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what gets people the most is how normalized it is despite people being aware of just how horrible it is for the body.
Chase003 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:21:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who thinks it odd that he was told about his brother being in a coma by email? o.O
swankster84 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad just died this June from alcoholism. I was literally walking into the hospital as he died. I'll never be able to get the image of him being this hideous yellow-green color with his eyes closed and his mouth slightly agape.
A_favorite_rug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When one of my family members died. He was unconscious. The last thing he really tried to say was just faint moans of a mixture of pain and attempts to speak.
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A_favorite_rug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could have done something, but if the doc couldn't, what could I do? It's not a position of much power as you might know.
,-,
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty shitty way to find out.
SlowMotionSprint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they are OK.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does alcohol cause a coma, like just really intoxicated to point of blood poisoning?
palimestoner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very similar story for me. Not with a brother, but a cousin that I am very close with, he's like a brother though. I contemplated taking a pic of him in a coma that I could show him when he was better. I thought it would have been a reminder for him to not go back to drinking. Three months out of the hospital and he is drinking again. Wish I would have taken the picture.
Sorry_that_im_an_ass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel your pain. I wish you didn't have to go through that. ๐
tbonemcmotherfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They e-mailed you?
Tsquare43 ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 17:12:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've known people who drank heavily - its not a pretty thing
Sawses ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:55:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. My entire family except my mother's generation were alcoholics alllll the way up the line. I don't drink when I've had a bad day, or when I'm in anything but a good mood, just in case. I have the sort of personality that gets easily addicted to things, so...yeah, I try to keep potentially life-ruining substances off the table when I'm vulnerable.
Tsquare43 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:58:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It takes great strength to see and do that! Keep it up
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:03:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It takes a lot less strength to never start than to stop
elmcityslim ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:37:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My shrink once told me that he would rather have heroine or coke walk through his door each week. But he would die a happy man if he never has to treat another alcoholic.
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:37:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol withdrawal is honestly really terrifying to witness. I've dealt with opiate and other kinds of drug withdrawal and alcohol is nasty and painful.
KallistiEngel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:37:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And with severe enough alcoholism, it can actually kill you if you try to quit all at once. Gotta ween yourself off it in those cases.
shooter1231 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny fact about that: the meds normally given to help ease alcohol withdrawal (benzos) can also kill you through withdrawal. They're the only two classes of drugs that I've heard of that can do that.
I'm not sure why I found that funny.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
been there, done that. 0/10 would not do again
PM_ME_YOUR_YAK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Whilst opiate withdrawal is super shit, it can't kill you (directly at least). Alcohol and benzo withdrawals are the only ones that can.
rahtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of addicts die in jail from opiate withdrawal because a lot of jails refuse to provide them with the medical care they need.
PM_ME_YOUR_YAK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't directly because of opiate withdrawal though. I bet there's a whole host of factors that affect that. I don't know the details, but physically - you can't die from it.
rahtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:38 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you don't directly die from a fire most of the time, it's usually smoke inhalation that kills you.
The withdrawal causes vomiting and diarrhea and if you don't have your fluids replaced, you'll probably die of dehydration and malnourishment.
PM_ME_YOUR_YAK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:25 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we're agreeing here. Opiate withdrawal isn't the direct killer - in theory you survive if all the conditions are right. With alcohol or benzos if you've been abusing them for years and stop all of a sudden there isn't much that can save you (other than more alcohol/benzos).
ThugExplainBot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:55:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mom died when I was 6 from alcohol, my dad is 70 and hits the scotch at 10 every morning till he sleeps. Not a pretty sight, really makes it hard to live with him.
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:50:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone from Massachusetts, heroin is the devil and always will be
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before you do delete this I kinda want to say I'm proud of you. Like it's totally not my place to say this as some random fuck on the internet, but I've seen heroin just demolish so many people that I feel like I have to say this.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly tearing up a bit. If you ever want to rant or talk to someone that will guarantee anonymity and total lack of judgement just message me whenever. If not, I genuinely am rooting for you and I wish you the best in anything and everything you need.
PROLONGED_EYECONTACT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep being a cool person, you never know when you might brighten someones day.-I really do appreciate it. Now in good ol' Reddit fashion, cheers mate :)
Mizhaboo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it true that with a single try you become addicted?
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supa74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure you had heard the evils of the drug beforehand, and personally, the thought of needles makes me fucking queasy. I'm just wondering what you were thinking when you went down that road. Was it purely peer pressure?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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supa74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Glad you made it through.
chillum1987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, takes about a month or so of solid use to become physically addicted. The mental part can come with the first try, but it's rarer than you think. That being said, it is horribly addicting and life ruining.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Nicotine is way more addicting than opioids.
Personality is a key factor as well.
Nicotine comes closer to "one try and you're addicted".
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:17:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meth is terrible on its own you don't have to abuse it. But alcohol can be a fun thing socially, it's just bad to see some people abuse it. Shit....sometimes you don't physically see people who are alcoholics drink heavily. My uncle got out of rehab not that long ago and I swear I never saw him drink except for beer when he watched sports.
darkneo86 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of 'functioning' alcoholics are/were like that. I'd have, visibly, a couple drinks socially around people. Always had some hidden though. I would open one inside, around people, take a sip, set it down....but go out, smoke a cigarette, pound three more on the low, and go back to finish my first one.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh meth can be great I think. I haven't tried it, but I've read some reports of it and a friend did it. You can definitely have a good time on it, otherwise people wouldn't take it.
lemongrenade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I accidentally took it once. Honestly it's just aderoll on a few cups of coffee.
bardfaust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a feeling I am intimately familiar with. Used to take 60mg almost every day and drank a fuck ton of coffee.
RemixxMG ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:09:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a dirty drug associated with the lower class and destitute...if it didn't come with the health risks and potential for addiction it would be a great working mans drug. It's effects are comparable to any other powerful stimulant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Afaik, proper use doesn't have any health risks above other, less potent and strong amphetamines. Poor working men though...
rahtin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's highly addictive in the short term, and that makes responsible use almost impossible. You get overcome with the urge to do more seconds after the high starts to wear off. And you develop a tolerance, so again, that reasonable dose isn't reasonable anymore, and you need to take more and more.
That said, methamphetamine is available with a prescription.
RemixxMG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is. Also known as "Adderall."
rahtin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Desoxyn actually.
Adderall and Ritalin are close, but Desoxyn is literally 'methamphetamine hydrochloride'
PointCollection ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's the cheapest and best stimulant you can get per dose. But if you abuse it, gg. It just has a lot of negative stigma to it, but, it's also prescribed as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, heavy cases of ADS I think.
Tesseract14 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:06:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We don't have much meth over here on long Island (yet), but heroin addiction runs rampant. It's an especially terrible addiction to see as well
CaptJimHalyard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Long Island Resident here. Must agree.
jose_conseco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
heroin
RandyShirt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:02:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the alcohol doesn't kill you, all the internal organ damage will.
HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:01:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...dude....that s how the alcohol kills you....
Esoteric_Erric ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 17 days clean and counting. Functional drinker with a big job, but my oh my it's quite the habit.
Feeling good now though, no drink and eating right and exercising for two and a half weeks - I decided to go all in and work hard at a radical lifestyle change so as to feel some pretty immediate benefit - so far so good, but a corporate trip to Vegas looms in a few weeks, gulp.
Tsquare43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stick to water with lime. Whisper it to the hostess, it will look like something else to anyone else in case you are with others and don't want to feel out of place.
The_Godlike_Zeus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:54:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can I prevent my mom from drinking so heavily? I don't want her to end up like that. She knows she drinks too much but she's addicted. She doesn't want help and she's a sane person beside the drinking problem (...and smoking problem). I don't know what to do. She drinks like 5-6 33cl beers a day on average.
Taylor814 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:45:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to clarify your level of support for the President-elect to say you wouldn't wish Alcoholism on anyone. In fact, that kind of implies that you think there might be people out there who don't feel bad about his tragedy because they hate him as a candidate.
HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:02:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there are. your point?
Taylor814 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying it is sad that people are so concerned that their condolences for a man's tragedy might be construed as supporting the President-elect, and that supporting the President-elect is taboo enough to make them go out of their way to vocalize that they don't support him.
roswellthatendswell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't totally verified, but according to the Frontline documentary about Trump and Clinton, Trump and his father would bully and make fun of Fred because he wasn't as domineering and "alpha" as they were. This treatment supposedly contributed to his drinking problem. After Fred Jr's death, Donald and his father felt really bad about how much they would mock him. :(
BroadStreetElite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Trump's father was pretty hard on Fred. He became an airline pilot, and his dad would say it wasn't a fitting career and he could have done a lot more with his life, which contributed to depression.
Preacherjonson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Godmother's husband committed suicide as a result of his alcoholism. He was a very nice bloke but the years of substance abuse changed him until that was simply an act. The man inside was spiteful, and abusive.
One part of me wants to hate him for doing what he did to his family but I can't knowing that that wasn't who he really was.
I think alcoholism is the worst form of addiction because it's such a widespread and often accepted thing. I sometimes fear it's what will eventually take my dad and possibly even me.
ShamrockShart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Don't let it take you! It is poison! You never need to drink one more drop of it ever! Relieve yourself!
The social "normalization" of consuming that toxin is PATHOLOGICAL! It's like society itself suffers from the denial of addiction to it. You can excuse yourself, though, if you choose.
Good luck!
(Edit: addiction, not addition)
Cypher1710 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am on mobile so I can't queue it up to the proper time but I found this really informative when I watched it prior to the election. This portion specifically from 26:10 to 28:04 is about Donald and his brother and his brothers fight with alcoholism which was most likely brought on by the treatment from his father and brother.
https://youtu.be/s7uScWHcTzk
Nixie9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had an aunt who was an alcoholic, she died when her daughter was 6 or 7, I'm really glad that she doesn't remember her mum cause at that point I don't think any of the memories would be good.
MiamiPower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck you talking about me. Now let me get that loose change. It's beer 30 ๐บ
lyajen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad has been in the hospital twice because he's an alcoholic. It gave him an ulcer, and he was sleeping all of the time. I don't know what would have happened if my mom hadnt called an ambulance the day she did
wimism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He and his father bullied his brother mercilessly because he didn't share their winner/loser mentality and he didn't want to go into the real estate business. It's widely speculated that this was one of the reasons for his alcoholism, so I wouldn't feel too bad for the Donald if I were you.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think Donald wanted to kill his brother?
Christ you people are desperate.
KnowMeMalone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but it sounds like Donald had zero compassion and was a contributing factor.
Bayerrc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The bastard cut freddy's children out of fred's will and even cut out the medical costs for his sick nephew. No one deserves to lose their brother to alcohol, but Trump doesn't deserve any sympathy either.
WilliamofYellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trunp was going to cover the kid's medical costs out of kindness. He changed his mind after the parents sued him to get inheritance money.
Bayerrc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I would say kindness. He withdrew his offer to cover medical expenses for his nephew that turned into cerebral palsy, because his brothers family sued him. They sued because Donald helped draft his father's will while his father had dementia, and he cut freddy's children out of the will. He has explained that he withdrew his offer to pay for the boys healthcare because he was mad about being sued.
WilliamofYellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:43 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were cut out because Fred Jr and his father had never got on.
Bayerrc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:57 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Fred Jr was most likely hated by his father. None of us know exactly how much influence Donald had on the will, I'm guessing a man like Fred trump didn't let anyone tell him what to do with his money. Still, Donald helped draft the will, freddy's children were completely left out, and when they sued Donald about it he decided to withdraw his offer to help their sick child as a retaliation towards his own family members.
JinxsLover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His dad was a cold monster and Fred wasn't good enough for him so he took up drinking
aww-yisss ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't feel bad.
Trump and his father drove him to it, the bullied him for becoming an airline pilot rather than running the family business.
Even though he was doing what he loved, they'd say things like "so you're no different than a bus driver"
SomedaySeattle ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:33:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes. Trump literally drives people to alcoholism. He also started the holocaust, invented AIDS, and signed Rebecca Black to a record deal...
MrLinderman ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:35:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally everything bad in human history was because of LE DRUMPF.
Beaverfisher ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:50:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that people don't like the guys' persona, but you sound delusional.
GrizzIyadamz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
https://youtu.be/s7uScWHcTzk
Probably where he heard it.
It's where I heard it. Go to 26:00 if you don't want to watch the whole thing.
ShamrockShart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Champion of The People!
DonaldTrumpsBalls ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's why he's a sexist racist piece of shit
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eseeton ยท 367 points ยท Posted at 17:40:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I didn't know he didn't drink. I always struck him as a drinker.
[deleted] ยท 649 points ยท Posted at 18:12:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's apparently never had a drink nor touched drugs.
I've never seen a remotely credible allegation otherwise, either.
DolphinSweater ยท 274 points ยท Posted at 20:01:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And his kids are out of the will if they drink either.
iwannaart ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:48:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
hatessw ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 21:23:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's an abundance of sources that claim his children are strongly encouraged not to drink and not to smoke, and may even be kept away from wild parties.
I couldn't find a source that said they would be removed from the will if they do. I'm not who you responded to though.
iamnotnotarobot ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 22:05:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That... is actually really admirable of him. I mean, his kids should be able to do what they please, but the fact that a high society fuck like him kept his kids away from that kind of thing is really refreshing.
hatessw ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:20:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure. Ever heard of preacher's daughter syndrome?
I laud the attempt. I fear for the outcome. When you enforce things from the outside, you seem to be at risk of atrophying the internal motivation to behave well.
iamnotnotarobot ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:51:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I know this all too well. There are a few people in my life right now who I constantly worry about because they were raised in extremely strict religious homes and now that they're adults, have gone completely wild. Partying, sex (so much sex omg,) drinking, some drugs. Sometimes I worry that I'm going to lose people I love because their parents kept them on a tight leash.
However, the parents of the people I know went about it all wrong. You can still have strict rules regarding things like alcohol and drugs and have children that turn out fine. I have those people in my life as well. You have to know how to be firm but fair rather than hellfire and brimstone.
Flyingwheelbarrow ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:42:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead the boys get their kicks from killing for sport. (I grew up on a farm, no issue with hunting, just an issue with killing for pleasure). Humans need vices, pleasure and outlets. He has may of told them not to drink or do drugs but we can hardly equate that with the children being taught how to lead a moral life.
frogsgoribbit737 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? Are you really saying that I'd you don't drink or do drugs you must have some other nasty terrible habit? I don't smoke, do drugs, or drink. BECAUSE of my families history with addiction and alcoholism.
I don't hunt or anything else like that. People can teach their kids to stay away from things that are bad for their health and give them absolutely nothing in return easily enough. It doesn't mean they'll just pick something else abhorrent.
Flyingwheelbarrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No not seriously, was making a smartass remark
ItsYouNotMe707 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:50:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Believe Me"
GhostFour ยท 202 points ยท Posted at 21:37:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not quite true, but I've heard Donald Trump Jr. talk about it on the radio before. They weren't allowed to drink, smoke, or do any drugs when they were living at home and drugs are obviously still not allowed (what parent "allows" drugs though?). One of them owns a winery in Virginia http://www.trumpwinery.com . They're "allowed" to drink but Trump kept them away from alcohol for as long as he could which is really just good parenting.
[deleted] ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 22:03:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is a really great parent
Blueeyesblondehair ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 22:20:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's one thing everyone can agree on.
RockShrimp ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 22:35:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd always read he basically wanted nothing to do with the kids until they were old enough to talk business with, and the wives did all the raising.
YouAreDreaming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Barron looks like he's real interested in business
BitGladius ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:47:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, some people are constantly busy. That might have just been his way to spend as much time as he could with them as soon as possible, by making it vaguely work related. My dad's an artist, when there's a rush he makes a point to spend time with us when he's doing something that doesn't require his full attention.
noroomforvowels ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:44:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lot of hands-off fathers I've known, though. I've seen career-minded women who have basically birthed children then gone straight back to work so the "house husband" could raise the kid(s.)
While I'd argue active and involved parenting is always better, if he at least laid some decent ground rules like the alcohol/drugs/parties stuff then that's better than not.
That praise of his apparent parenting skills feels a little awkward when you also take into account he said he'd date one of his daughter had she not been his, and allowed Howard Stern to talk vulgar about one of them, too.
He's such a weird Cheeto...
adudeguyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheeto explains his skin tone
StuStutterKing ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:12:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not quite sure about his parenting with Tiffany. She seems to be the family scapegoat.
beaverlyknight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with Tiffany? She's significantly younger than the first 3, so she hasn't had the opportunity to take part in business related things yet.
Drugsmakemehappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's that
KnowMeMalone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:47:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people agree on that?
SlutBuster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hills agreed on it. End of the third debate, I believe, she complemented him on his children.
JAKPiano3412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even Hillary.
chief_erl ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:51:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The BEST parent, every expert agrees, doesn't our president elect have great parenting skills, folks?
Drugsmakemehappy ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 01:56:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no he fucks his daughter
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:56:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I truly hope this is sarcasm
DEEP_HURTING ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:42:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're quoting Hillary Clinton, of all people. Yes, it was in reference to Trump.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:31:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not go crazy. He's made really inappropriate comments about his daughter. He doesn't even have a hand in raising his youngest son.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:58:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:05:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, you have an imgur album of pics of him "parenting" and you're going around spamming it to people to show what a good dad he is. You're creepy.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:21:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody said he never saw his kids until they were of business age, they said he didn't really have much of a hand in raising them. Like literally nobody thinks he never even saw his kids once until they were adults, that's ridiculous.
huntergreeny ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:28:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. In many ways getting introduced to it slowly is safer.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"They're "allowed" to drink but Trump kept them away from alcohol for as long as he could which is really just good parenting."
I think this is a slightly controversial statement. American's tend to introduce their children to alcohol at an older age compared to places like western Europe, but we have higher instances of binge drinking. I can't find the source for this at the moment, but I read a study about it a few weeks ago.
Akavinceblack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:32:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have a strong family history of alcoholism, it seems to me that keeping alcohol entirely away from your kids is better parenting than introducing it early, no matter in what mild or low amounts.
OTOH, if it's not a genetic risk, the argument easily goes the other way.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:59:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ARottenPear ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:11:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, because alcohol isn't a typical meal time beverage like it is in many other countries. So if you're binging once a week, you're probably going to consume less than somebody that has a glass of wine or two with every meal.
HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:06:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BS. I know British and German people.
TManFreeman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:35:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I occasionally hear people say that North America (I speak that broadly because I'm Canadian) has a higher rate of alcoholism, but having spent a LOT of my life with British and German people, I think the issue is that drinking to excess is so ingrained in their culture that it would take a lot for someone to actually recognize that they are an alcoholic.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'll just go ahead and google translate that and "Do no do not continue to claim you're niil'd supposedly nothing jakoo This Georgenthal property did get"...yeah....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, gross. I mean, I like to drink, and i do prefer the hard stuff, but getting blasted out of your mind like a teenager at your first party every time you drink? well, i guess if you have a couple drinks a day after work, you build a slow tolerance maybe? Wait..no that don't make sense...i dunno.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like teenagers to me.
wyvernwy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:55:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alcoholism has a devious tendency to alternate generations.
Squeal_Piggy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:07:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about sniffing drugs?
DolphinSweater ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:08:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose they could smell them as long as they don't take them.
cd7k ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:11:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not quite sure what that cocaine reminds me of... let me have another smell...
DolphinSweater ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:12:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, that's right, it smells like I want to fuck things
peanutbuttar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But not cum
DolphinSweater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
cooleymahn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:55:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this coke smell funny?
PabstyLoudmouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I did not know that. Much respect to him on that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have personally seen one of his sons drink
DolphinSweater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's a "don't have a cocktail at an event" rule. More like a "don't make the tabloids" sort of rule.
AlekRivard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I need a source on that one
DolphinSweater ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
www.google.com
AlekRivard ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:28:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be an ass; if you're going to speak as if something is a fact, regardless of if it is or isn't, you have to be able to back it up when asked.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:13:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be a lazy dick either. Go look it up.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:49:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That just says Google with a box for inputting text. Where's your source?
SmackyRichardson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, seriously?
LittleMarco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? That's insane if true. Can't have one drink?
DolphinSweater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't say that, one of the kids owns a winery. I don't know the specifics, but I know the Donald doesn't touch the stuff, and I always took it to be something like, "If your wide party nights make the tabloids a la Lindsay Lohan, you're out." Notice, all the kids are pretty well contained. That's a statistical anomaly for rich kids. Maybe Barron will come out fucked up.
thewombat42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really?
Commando388 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't blame the guy. Too much drinking can fuck you up for life, so why even risk it if it isn't necessary?
Nathan16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa
reefshadow ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:36:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prince said the same kinds of things with no credible allegations otherwise until... you know.
caseyrain ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:50:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually there were several known instances of Prince drinking or doing drugs.
He famously cancelled the release of The Black Album in 1987 after a bad E trip. He was rushed to the hospital on 21/04/1996 (exactly 20 years before he died) because he necked a whole bottle of wine and a shitload of painkillers and he had to have his stomach pumped.
Also he was once asked in an interview if he did any drugs and he said "I'm open to all experiences".
A lot of us had also correctly surmised that he he a painkiller problem because we knew for years that he needed surgery on his hips and hadn't had it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:53:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot fewer people had much to gain by trashing Prince, but yes, things are possible and probing negatives is difficult.
boognish83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Know
WissNX01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't know.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm someone who has never had a drink in my entire life, never smoked, and never done any drugs (except for like, medicine obviously for any smart-dumbasses out there).
I've seen what alcohol and drugs to do when I was a kid. I see it even more clearly as an adult with a friend. He's been drinking since high school, started smoking weed, and now he's doing coke. Everyone I know personally who smokes weed ends up doing harder drugs eventually. I pretty up gave up on the notion that weed isn't a "gateway" drug. These things are hard to ignore. I still think all drugs should just be made legal based on stats that show how it improves areas.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:09:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol is the gateway drug.
Weed just introduces you to drug dealers.
beaverlyknight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually (and I might rue saying this on reddit, but hear me out guys) agree with this. But I don't really blame weed, so much as I blame it being illegal. I've never smoked weed, I don't intend to because I think it's stupid, and though it's not physically addictive, I think it's mentally addictive. However, I'm highly in favor of legalization.
But it's a gateway drug because it gets people involved with drug dealers. If it was legal, people could just smoke their damn weed and never visit that guy in the back alley in a trenchcoat. And further, because they try to tell you all the "devil's lettuce" stuff when you're a kid, and then that kid tries weed when they're 16 and finds out it's not going to cause reefer madness or any shit like that, then they think that people must have been overstating how bad shrooms, meth, and cocaine are as well.
idkwhattoputasmyname ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:19:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a source for this? I mean the man had his own line of vodka and at least seems like he's probably done drugs at some point.
jbiresq ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:28:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/1/donald-trump-touts-lifestyle-without-alcohol-drugs/
JohnDalysBAC ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:30:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has said it for years. I knew he didn't drink before he even ran for public office.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:38:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen him say it numerous times, I believe he even said it in this week's 60 Minutes interview. Google will probably yield a ton of results.
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's also said numerous times that he respects women, about which I remain skeptical.
I don't really doubt the alcohol thing though, losing a sibling to alcoholism could provide a pretty good motivation to be a teatotaller.
SlutBuster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He hired a woman to run his campaign - first time a female campaign manager has won a presidential election, too.
He also said Rosie O'Donnell is a fat pig, but in fairness his name-calling transcends gender.
AdamFiction ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:03:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard him talk about never drinking alcohol on his show, The Apprentice when Penn Jillette, a contestant on the show at the time, revealed that he never drinks alcohol either.
DolphinSweater ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:01:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's well known.
lovesuprayme ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:48:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a regular at Studio 54 in the 1970s so I sincerely dobut he never touched drugs.
pillage ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 21:14:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Gene Simmons never did drugs and he was a 70's Rockstar. Of course he did get his fuck on, so everyone has their vices.
IamHenryGale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that Paul Stanley didn't do drugs either but don't qoute me on that. Ace and Peter is another story though.
HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ted Nugent was supposedly clean cept for alcohol too.
AaronfromKY ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:00:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe his brother died in 1979, so prior to that, who knows? Here's an article about what being a non-drinker in an alcoholic family can do to people
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-fred-trump-alcoholism-413207
lethalfrost ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:11:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That has to be the most idiotic article I've ever read. Trying to call every non-drinker as crazy as an alcoholic is disturbing.
AaronfromKY ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:33:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they're calling every non-drinker crazy. Only the ones who are abstaining while or having been in a close familial relationship with an alcoholic. I've heard it called co-dependency before. My dad and his brother were alcoholics who drank themselves to death, so I've witnessed firsthand the complex relationship that everyone in that situation can develop. Personally I definitely see where I strive to be over-competent, and also get these rages, where anger has been stewing for a long time before exploding. It is an opinion piece, but I think that it makes people who have been in a relationship with an alcoholic think.
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it codependent that I never smoked a single cigarette in my life after hearing my old man hack up pieces of lung and wheeze from climbing the stairs for my first 15 years, or just common sense?
AaronfromKY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably common sense. Tobacco addiction isn't as debilitating as alcohol addiction can be, nor does it lead to lying to cover for the smoker, and adapting behaviors like having an alcoholic in the family. Tobacco addiction is probably one of the mildest addictions in terms of impairment, at least until the end stages of it.
ItsYouNotMe707 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:51:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
money and women can be drugs to some people, it seems he liked to indulge in those.
AdamFiction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump talked about not drinking alcohol on The Apprentice when Penn Jillette, a contestant on the show at the time, remarked that he doesn't drink alcohol either and never has.
sonicmasonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
too bad. those things can provide perspective when used in moderation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to some allegations, maybe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did.
cageyfanboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had just learned this today from a close friend who has another friend that is close to Steve Brannon. My friend said, Brannon is a big day-drinker and Trump is a tea-totaller. He said Brannon will just be around for the transition and then gone.
Taylor814 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's admitted to taking sips of champagne on new years or to celebrate hotel openings, but he's never drank a drink in his life, if that difference makes sense.
sbamkmfdmdfmk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty remarkable. There's been allegations of him being present at cocaine fueled parties, yet never a single credible allegation of him ever partaking.
HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well....i wouldn't be surprised if he's had a drink or two before his brothers problems came about...but yeah, he's not known to drink anyways, certainly not since then.
Workaphobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe he hasn't touched coke. Not with the habitual sniffing, the debate performance, and the doth-protest-too-much accusation that Hillary did drugs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome to your opinion, but lmao at the idea he would do coke at the debate.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read some stories from celebrities about parties Trump used to throw and they pretty much all mention that while he always made sure his guests were well-supplied, he never touched any alcohol. Loves chasing women though.
mrfreshmint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is correct
JManRomania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there's apparently a pic of him in a car with some guys smoking a blunt
he's not smoking it though
69sucka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:24 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Carrie Fisher said he's a coke head.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:59 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because she has a history of abusing drugs and was joking about his sniffing.
UncleTogie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...yet he owns a winery?
Howland_Reed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So? There's lots of money in alcohol. Investing in it is pretty smart if the brand is well established. People don't have to use every thing they are invested in.
UncleTogie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's bad to poison me, but I'm happy to poison you!" says Trump.
wehopeuchoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I hate Trump, but as someone who doesn't drink I think you're missing the point.
Alcohol isn't inherently destructive but it can cause people who abuse it to be destructive. Trump doesn't want to see that in his life so he doesn't drink but has no problems with other people drinking. Kinda like how pro choice people can be personally against abortion.
He's not poisoning anyone.
UncleTogie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit.
iLuxy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:26:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I would say that's pretty far fetched, to in all of his years, NEVER tried a drink/smoked a joint/hit a bump once in his entire life.
Sure there are people that have done it, and most that haven't aren't looking at 6-7 figures.
I believe that he no longer does, or maybe only tried it a single time in his life, but I'd be growing a third arm out my asshole if he never tried anything once.
edit: not to mention this guy is a billionaire, I KNOW for a fact, he as indeed tasted wine at a tasting/dinner. It would be very inconsiderate on his behalf to the host of the dinner/gathering to refuse a taste.
That would be like saying yeah, i've never smoked weed, just inhaled it once.
Beta1548 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:21:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be waaaaaay more inconsiderate for his host to pressure him into drinking
hungryTurtle2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's not like a guy like Trump accepts his own invitations. At his level there are assistants who deal with that, and a good assistant will make sure her boss' needs are conveyed properly.
FictitiousForce ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:59:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever heard of people called Muslims and Mormons?
It's possible.
Beta1548 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:24:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Or even just people who have seen how horrible it is to be an alcoholic.
Edit: I mean that as in that alcoholism is a horrible disease, not like "shame on you for being an alcoholic".
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:39:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I can say is what I've already said: He claims this, often, and I've never seen it any remotely credible allegations otherwise.
joltto ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:30:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like he's claiming he's never jerked off or something.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:02:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
As a person who has literally never had a drink or done any drugs, it's really not that hard. Especially once you get a reputation for it. As a teen, my best friend would always tell people to fuck off if they tried to get me to drink. Honestly, I only ever felt actually pressured like twice - normally it's like, "Oh, you don't want a beer? Cool, pass it down to Josh".
It didn't take long before it just became known in my circles that AshFirecrest doesn't drink and it got to the point it was rare people even offered. No one really cared. We all still hung out just the same and everyone loved having a lifetime designated driver. Bars and clubs were some of my favorite places to go with my fiends - not drinking didn't change that. I have some of the best stories too, since I'm the only one who can remember it all.
As an adult, it's even easier. My exposure to alcohol now consists of the few times a year I walk up to an open bar at a company event or wedding and ask for a Sprite. No one gives a shit.
Edit: Reasons. I witnessed a really bad drunk driving accident as an 8 year old. It had a profound effect on me and I associated all drinking with a deep deep level of idiocy. Eventually, I got old enough to differentiate between responsible drinking and drinking and driving, but by then I'd also come to highly value my intelligence. It seems strange to me that people would intentionally sabotage themselves like that.
theunnoanprojec ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:41:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's inconsiderate to not at least taste a wine at a party?
What if you're a recovering alcoholic? What if youre allergic to grapes? What if you're Muslim or Mormon?
jose_conseco ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, tasting wine and hitting weed without inhaling are NOT remotely the same
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'I didn't inhale"? I think you've got the wrong president.
fuckwhatiwant6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why that stupid cocaine meme CTR tried to push was so lame
underwaterpizza ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:00:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
illegal drugs
Senor_Destructo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:29:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we found the problem.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:31:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sniff
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:08:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was coked the fuck out during the debates, I don't care what you say.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care what you say.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong.
LegalAction ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were those debates recently.
Tsquare43 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:43:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might had at one point, once his brother died, he stopped.
Petechap18 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know how old he was when his brother died?
Tsquare43 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:44:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
his brother was 43 in 1981, so Trump would have been about 35?
throw_karma ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you don't know.
Tsquare43 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:36:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Health
You do know you can look it up right?
rrealnigga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:26:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean "he always struck me"?
alanwashere2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:36:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Esseeton's been drinking.
larrymoencurly ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:46:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the very few 100% true claims Trump makes about himself, including about not smoking. Once in a restaurant, he ordered a Virgin Mary but was served a Bloody Mary instead and immediately spat it out.
thatonesillymexican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had a bloody Mary so forgive my ignorance but isn't that just tomato juice?
Akavinceblack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With spices.
larrymoencurly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Virgin Mary is pretty close to just tomato juice, but some lime or lemon juice is added.
A Bloody Mary adds vodka, maybe half as much as the tomato juice. Both drinks also contain worcesteshire, pepper, horse raddish, and some other ingredients
SosX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:29:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, he looks like a man that would enjoy a nice scotch at the end of the day, funny how people are.
alanwashere2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:41:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he seems like a guy who likes fancy scotch, fancy restaurants, and expensive foods. But he actually seems to prefer mcdonalds, kfc, diner food, overcooked steaks, and cotton candy.
Deplorable_Basket ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:37:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man of the people.
Wren1478 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well done steaks.... I was hopeful for the future of America, but I don't know anymore if the President of the United States likes his steaks Well-done!
mikeyl101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. He gonna start drinking soon enough
sodabutt ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:22:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't be a drinker if it makes you violent.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:00:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't smoke either. Apparently his kids said that when they were young every day he told them at the start "Don't drink, don't smoke, no drugs".
Edwardian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he's met you and is pretty sure you drink?
ModernPoultry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Struck me as a fancy whiskey and scotch drinker
Dragontre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know who else didn't drink? Roose Bolton.
Roose Bolton is now in the white house people.
Barnesworth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, the Frontline episode "The Choice 2016" has a decent biography on him and his early life if your curious.
Minnesota_Nice_87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But why do I rack my brain trying to find a instance where he has the classy rich old man glass of something? It must have been some classy apple juice.
LexaBinsr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch Megyn Kelly interview.
https://youtu.be/UGPvwdrlzCM
illonlyusethisonceok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also apparently never drinks coffee.
TheTurtler31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His older brother died of alcoholism when he was young and saw how scary drugs and alcohol abuse is so he swore to never touch them.
7yearlurkernowposter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:14:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's arguable that the bullying from Donald and his father was what contributed to him drinking heavily to begin with.
The rest of the family could never accept him for wanting to be a pilot.
electricblues42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea the way Donald treated his brother is absolutley disgusting. They basically drove the man into ruining himself. Then after he died the Donald went way out of his way to fuck over his brother's children, cutting off their medical insurance when his nephew had cerebral palsy. Just to get revenge on his sister-in-law for whatever bullshit reason Trump has. The man is a fucking monster and now he leads the free world....god help us.
synack36 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:50:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You hit President-elect Trump???
slave2trafficlight ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is a famous abstainer, but that doesn't stop him from peddling the stuff to the masses.
Luder714 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:52:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a bartender, and I see two types of alcoholics, and both can be functioning. First, there is the after work drunk. He comes in and drinks 6 at the bar, then 6 more at home and goes to bed. Every night. Rarely drinks a shot, never a problem, eventually gets a dui strictly by chance since he never screws up driving. Barely shows being drunk at the bar.
Then there's the scary drunk. These folks get off work and they HAVE TO HAVE A DRINK! Their drink of choice is usually vodka, straight up or chilled. This person will order a double and drink it within minutes. The same with the second, third, fourth, maybe fifth. This is all within about 15 minutes. They have drank the equivilant of 10 beers in 15 minutes. Now they slow down to one or 2 every 20 minutes or so. After that half hour though, they go from sober to sloppy drunk in seconds. You can almost watch their face change into the monster they are about to become. It is usually one of the following things that happen: 1. They look for a hookup and now they are that person's problem. 2. They get mean and say horrible things to their best friends, brothers, mom, dad, whoever. 3. They are exceptionally mean and they get thrown out, going to another bar to get thrown out again. and again.
This second one I hate. My brother was one of them. A good friend was one too. They are two different people from drunk to sober, and it is sad to watch.
tijuanagolds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you mean 6 beers for the first one? I hope you don't because otherwise you pretty much described me..
Luder714 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes. plenty of people like this.
calmlunatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone is convicted of drunk driving causing bodily harm or death and it was found that you were the last person to serve them alcohol, are you liable?
KnowMeMalone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typically in the US, or at least in California, you can be fined and go to jail. So yes.
RootsRocksnRuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dram shop laws.
terminbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that exceptionally expensive? A shot is ~10 bucks right? Spending over 100 every night is crazy. Just buy a 30 dollar bottle at the store...
SlutBuster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on where you drink. My neighborhood dive bar has $4 well shots.
terminbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:06 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn... Where can I find one of those...
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. TIL
Luder714 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my opinion by the way. Others have their own types, but this is mine
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True it is, but seeing it first hand, gives it more credence
Benramin567 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't Fred his father?
Tsquare43 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:28:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but he also had a brother named Fred.
Benramin567 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see, can't find him.
Tsquare43 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-are-donald-trumps-siblings-what-you-need-know-about-maryanne-freddy-elizabeth-2446302
SovietCorgiFromSpace ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look in a graveyard
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:10:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And, it cuts the Coke too much.
Egocentric ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:13:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Drinking can make the fun parts of coke like the euphoria last longer so... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaethylene
Junco_partner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first time I took coke I didn't feel any effects. It was only at about 7 am that I realised that I'd been drinking since noon the day before. I should have passed out hours before. Had taken the coke with my cousins about 11 pm. It was like the coke made me into a drinking machine
SuicideBonger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I actually really want to know if he uses or used in the past, cocaine. I feel like he did.
Amphigorey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was extremely wealthy in the 80s. There is no way he's never used cocaine.
And he sure looked like he was using during the debates. Ask Carrie Fisher.
SuicideBonger ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:20:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I used to sell and do a lot of cocaine, but I'm still skeptical that he was using it during the debates. You never know, though.
Sour_Badger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:13:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never saw any clinching or what I call typewriter jaw so I'm skeptical.
SuicideBonger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup
possiblycurious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes yes yes.
PTFOholland ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did sell Vodka though, funny that he never taste tested it.
harrison_wintergreen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hardly a Trump fan, but a few years ago during the Apprentice I read somewhere that he didn't drink. Gotta admit it earned him a point in my book.
There's so much potential for abuse, and for dependency and problem drinking ... maybe there really are people who drink socially, just a few drinks over an evening. But it seems like everyone I've known who drinks, does so to excess with the purpose of getting plowed and sloppy drunk.
NimblythePede ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:35:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never underestimate what losing a loved one can motivate you to do
Tsquare43 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:52:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:37:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then he launched a premium vodka brand.
Tsquare43 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:39:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Booze sells.
HatlessSuspect ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"how does he let a moment land" - sips scotch
IStayLurking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
such a horrible disease
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is
SilasX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he'll promote casinos that encourage people's alcoholism!
Tsquare43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:49:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to drink in a casino or anyway, that is a personal choice
HoodieGalore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhhh. It's almost like he's human like the rest of us.
SirRogers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fred Trump. That sounds weird for some reason.
jfreez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Partly because Donald and his dad teased him relentlessly for giving up the family business to be an airline pilot
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had a passion, went for it. Many never do what they have a passion for
FirstNameHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:05:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He sold Trump Vodka, though. So like... Selling alcohol with his brother's last name ?
Tsquare43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:43:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's his name too. It's a business opportunity - he's about making money
FirstNameHere ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so he wont drink on behalf of his brother... But he'll sell the very item that killed his brother in order to make money? haha morally skewed.
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one said anything about the morality of it.
FirstNameHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't challenging anyone? Just making an observation. Man doesn't drink for morality sake, but sells alcohol anyway lol
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it came across that way - sorry.
uncleawesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:15:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he is real old.
Tsquare43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:43:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's 70, not far off from Bernie or Hillary.
uncleawesome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, and that sucks.
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most have been in their 50's, a few in their 40's, and a few in their 60's - Trump might be the oldest person to be inaugurated - Reagan was 69.
rambouhh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not. His brother died well after Donald was of drinking age
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/fred-freddy-trump-jr-donald-brother-sibling-family-died-alcoholism-alcohol-doesnt-drink-robert-elizabeth-maryann/](link to article)
rambouhh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
one the link doesn't work, and two, I know the story of Freddy Jr. but Donald was 35 when he died. He did not drink at all before that. He decided to abstain for the 17 years he was of legal drinking age when his brother was still alive. Obviously his reasons for drinking go deeper than his brothers death as a result of it. Also he cut his dead brothers wife and kids out of his fathers will so I don't think I buy all the posturing of I loved my brother so much so that is why I stopped drinking bit he says.
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
true, but he has said that his brother's alcoholism has been an influence on him as well.
Landis912 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just checked wikipedia and his dad was 95 when he died. Idk if he was sick for a while but doesn't seem like alcohol cut his life short per se lol.
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:03 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had a brother also named Fred. It was he who was the alcoholic
GetOffOfMyLawnKid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:38:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's German/Scottish, it's like an alcoholism magnet.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:03:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's racist
GetOffOfMyLawnKid ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's genetically proven. Ireland/Scottland having an alcoholism epidemic isn't a meme. Alcohol addiction is a genetic trait.
MechanoBuccaneer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eugenics much?
Blobbybluebland ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhhhhhhh....genes literally effect your behavior and lifestyle choices. This isn't really up for debate.
GetOffOfMyLawnKid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where or why we ever departed from the concept that there are genetic predispositions to behaviors. We gladly accept that different breeds of dogs have different traits, but when it comes to people, it's an absurd thought.
MechanoBuccaneer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:42 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because people started using it to just be racist, like by asserting their "genetic superiority"
HailSatanLoveHaggis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have revoked his Scottish card. He's your problem, you keep him.
_ak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet he had no problem marketing Trump Vodka.
conquererspledge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't be surprised if trump protesters threw alcohol at him during his inauguration
Kalel2319 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Donald Trump said "I guess he wasn't a killer" after he died.
referring to his dead brother being a loser.
mrzablinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait is that true or a joke? I can't tell anymore.
cynthiadangus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which was a result of him being shunned by the family.
beenoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fred Trump just doesn't have the same ring to it.
rblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've dealt with this in my family as well. Not death though.
I wonder if this is what made him such an asshole.
duckdelicious ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His brother Fred? You mean the one Trump wrote out of their father's will when poor Dad was in the late stages of Alzheimer's?
Tsquare43 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:53:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the brother who died in 1981, about 18 years before his father died? The one who was an alcoholic? Yes that one.
duckdelicious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only know how to do a link...don't judge!
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264579-report-trump-helped-draft-will-that-excluded-his-brothers
Sour_Badger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow dude you spun that lie from whole cloth. Why?
duckdelicious ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:21:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I'm not a dude. I've read about this for probably more years than you've been alive.
Sour_Badger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Explain to the rest of the class how someone can be written out of a will when they died 19 years before said will was executed? Let's say he did write him out of the will by tricking his father who was addled with Alzheimer's, how do you reconcile the 19 year gap( which would have been the absolute latest Donald could have written his brother Fred out) when Alzheimer's today has a life expectancy of half that time with major improvements to treating compared to the early 80s?
Ps Dude is unisex.
Gbiknel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:09:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know who else didn't drink right??? Hitler...
But seriously, as a nondrinker this is kinds cool.
Bob9999999999999 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:20:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This won't actually be a first for the presidency. Rutherford B. Hayes banned alcoholic drinks from the White House when he was president. His wife Lucy was an ardent supporter of the temperance movement, nicknamed "Lemonade Lucy" after her death based on the misconception that she initiated the White House ban rather than her husband.
macandcharlie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who worked in the Trump Hotel in Chicago. Apparently he likes Steak Medium Well and mostly drinks Diet Coke.
Wobsy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:40:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The man buys the most expensive, tremendous steaks and then chooses medium well, smh
macandcharlie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:04:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody knows he's got the best, most amazing steaks
RootsRocksnRuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if they're cooked like that...
8-Bit-Gamer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:17:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don Trump fancies dat Purple Drank ya pleebs.
foospork ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:23:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidentally, Hitler didn't drink, either. (I think, though, that not drinking was more anomalous in the 1930s and 1940s than it is now.)
I don't mean to draw any correlations -- it's just that learning that Trump doesn't drink reminded me of the "quiz" about WWII leaders: "One chain smoked and philandered, one drank at least a quart of hard liquor every day, and one was a tee-totaller. Who was who?". (For some reason, Stalin, Mussolini, and Hirohito didn't make it into the joke-quiz.)
psychedelicshotguns ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:31:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
didnt he take meth and amphetamines though?
foospork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, well, there is that...
-powerfucker- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:28:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This took me by surprise last year. I dressed up as ol Donald for a Halloween party last year, and I wondered "what does The Donald drink?" A few Googles later I realized I was gonna have to break character to sip a cold one :(
superattune11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he prefers amphetamines.
special2plumsfor1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First order of business is he installs a cotton candy machine in the Oval Office
DreadNephromancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if LBJ's Fresca fountain is still in there.
hakuna_tamata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there goes his excuse for his Twitter account. Maybe he will pull a Rob Ford.
chambertlo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real men don't drink alcohol.
TheTrumpRecord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No coffee or tea either
TheRealRobMonty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:30 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like his major vice is fast food. Not a bad vice, all things considered.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:34:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:48:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here we go again...
MacDerfus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got more like a light mussolini vibe
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:11:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eyeroll
Lndbrghwrstlr ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:36:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because sobriety is the biggest common factor in people who commit genocide.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:46:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you do know that hitler was the farthest thing from sober?
he was dependent on methamphetamine, barbiturates, and oxycodone.
MacDerfus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a parallel universe, drunk Hitler ships all the shoes in Germany to labor camps
batty3108 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Pol Pot was a history teacher and Hitler was a vegetarian painter. So mass murderers come from the areas you least expect it. I don't know how the flip comes over but it happens"
bigbigtea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That, and they're usually massive cunts.
betafish2345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sobriety usually makes people massive cunts or people who commit genocide are usually massive cunts?
MartyVanB ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He eats like shit. I can respect that
wyvernwy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:52:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's anyone's guess where that puts the future of cannabis prohibition.
motheroftheworld90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump will leave it up to the States if they want it or not. I honestly don't think he'll touch it, and I am not a Trump supporter.
wyvernwy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:41 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Attorney General Sessions though.
cwestn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:16:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee he's often coked out of him mind though...
tylerchu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:20:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My respect for him just went up several levels.
expresidentmasks ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:14:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never knew he didn't drink. I probably wouldn't have voted for him if I knew that.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:53:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of all the reasons not to vote for Trump, this is probably the worst one ever.
Poguemohon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't trust anyone who doesn't drink, unless they're recovering.
SensesNumbed ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 18:02:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't trust a man that NEVER drinks. Don't like it? Cool, pop the champagne on the really big days. Past alcoholic? Great, no self control.
I may be an asshole, and may get blasted for this. But I just can't trust a man that NEVER drinks.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:44:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe a guy doesn't want to harm his liver or predispose himself to diabetes? Maybe a guy doesn't want an upset stomach? Maybe a guy doesn't want to depress his central nervous system with literal poison? Maybe a guy has firm moral convictions? Why would someone celebrate with something they don't like?
You're a total asshole. There are a plethora of reasons why a man wouldn't drink and every one of them is valid. It has nothing to do with character.
You wouldn't say, "I can't trust a man who never smokes methamphetamine."
PM-ME-UR-BEST-PHOTO ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:05:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
His brother died of alcoholism. May be that did heavy toll on him emotionally and vowed to never touch it? you never know. It's not a bad thing not to drink anyway.
MBTHVSK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, really? Some people just don't like the taste....or the way it can make you slumpy even without getting drunk.
Also, WTF at all these upvotes. Is the Don guzzling candy blasted soda fountains gonna be a meme?
amoryamory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're an asshole, and you're not correct.
Why should people have to pop champagne? If you don't want to, you don't want to. Not everyone enjoys inebriation.
SensesNumbed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
k.
Sable-Knight ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:50:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How efficient of him.
Asking_miracles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:48:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's presidential material I tell ya!
Danny_Internets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if he paid in inexact change that would make him kind of a dick.
Blobbybluebland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ok that'll be 7.12"
"Here's 7.86"
..............................
"T-thanks sir..."
Counts out 2 quarters, 2 dimes, and 4 pennies
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, the goods provided met the mutual expectation so he paid in full.
famouskelc ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:50:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once I served Michael Jordan orange gatorade & ranch flavored corn nuts...I handed it over and he said 'thanks baby'. I turned into a puddle of incoherent goo.
a_link_to_the_passed ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:16:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was just trying something new. Or just disliked white cherry.
CGFROSTY ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:46:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never though of this, but what if celebrities pay in cash so their credit card isn't stolen?
visionsofsolitude ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:55:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He paid in exact change...donald trump carries change...donald trump jingles when he walks.
SuperNovaScotian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:47:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhat related, but I used to work for a major catalog company (that is extremely overpriced) and we used to sell to celebrities all the time. Stephen & Tabitha King call in all the time for orders. My friend who works there still searched up Trump today and found many orders that were shipped to Trump Tower under his name.
There was also orders for the white house's address for Obama and Bush. There was a note in the system for Obama that stated "Caller called in to place an order for the president." The president had somebody call in to order an asparagus platter.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:32:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need an iconic Donald Trump "Change" poster, but instead it says "Exact Change"
larrymoencurly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A magazine interviewer, maybe for Esquire (one of those single-page 10-20 quick questions articles), asked Trump if he saw a penny on the sidewalk, would he pick it up? He said he always did. Also some autograph collectors who mailed small checks to celebrities, found that he signed checks for as little as 13 cents. That was back in the days when banks returned cancelled checks instead of just images.
DestinyFrost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm so you used to work at a movie theater... so what are you now? A purple prostitute?
Undecided_Username_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bigoted fucker!
ice_blue_222 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where was the theater?
chrisnj5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
manville theater by chance?
akimbocorndogs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny, I think Penn Jillette said his hair looks like cotton candy piss.
HoldMyWater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is White Cherry?
Schizoforenzic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:25:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's literally what covers the top of his head, so I think he was just going with what he's familiar with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The white cherry flavor intrigues me. Does it taste any good?
purpleprostitutes ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:49:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does! Just like red cherry, but with a lot more privilege.
etray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it similar to this experience?-) Donald Trump buys ice cream
vaecunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was this at a Carmike?
scraggledog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always assume they paid anything under $100 with a $100. Guess not.
askheidi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend said Donald Trump used to also come in to the movie theater she worked at and that he would also get a large popcorn and two waters. He learned her name and was also extremely friendly. She said she was shocked by how he is now because he was such a nice guy back then.
ucefkh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't ask for a purple one? ;) Ya know ::wink wink::
idriveatesla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what if he liked White Cherry and just wanted to try Cotton Candy?
aaw4077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it's just trump change.
Has_No_Gimmick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of deliberation time are we talking, though? Did he know right away that he wanted the cotton candy flavor, or did he take a few moments to think about it? Did he sound totally certain and confident in his choice, or was there a note of longing in there, like maybe he'd made the wrong call, and now he'd never get to experience the joy of the white cherry slushie?
Nixie9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of posh slushies are you selling? My cinema does red or blue flavour, those are not even real foods.
stevejust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it the old Okeechobee Okee Square theater?
altiuscitiusfortius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair white cherry tastes like ass. He may have defaulted to cotton candy. It may not be something he truly enjoys.
ThugExplainBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha thats awesome he had change in his pockets. Rich as fuck yet simple.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Pops is the same way. He always keeps small bills and change on him.
captkrisma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read The Art of The Deal a while back and something that stuck out to me was the fact that he negotiated a deal that saved him ten cents in light bulbs. TEN CENTS.
timoumd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man if I were rich I feel like Id pay for everything with whatever bills I had. Shit Im middle class and I do that sometimes.
imapotato99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and that's why he is rich, he keeps change /r/frugal
brooklyn_stompa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More importantly, what movie did he see?
weaseldamage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
| He also paid in exact change.
He's the Change Candidate, amiright.
FizzyGizmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Genuine question: was he wearing a suit? I've never seen him out of a suit, ever. Though I cant imagine anyone would go to the cinema in a suit and tie.
purpleprostitutes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ooohhh GOOD question. No, he didn't wear a suit. Both he and his wife were in polo shirts that had "Trump {Something-Or-Other}" embroidered on them. As for pants, I don't really remember. I'm gonna go with khakis. They looked like they just left a golf course or something.
DwarfTheMike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he had a secretary scope this whole trip out and even provide him with the exact change so that he could just hand it over and not waste time. he's probably got a top-notch secretary.
Reddit_User479 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap bastard
MercWi7hAMou7h ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow, and I don't know why, but the fact that he even carries pocket change infuriates me...
Completely irrational, I know. But now I picture him doing this with a Porsche...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that he A.) is a grown man and drinks slushies and B.) picked the cotton candy flavor out of those two flavors, tells you everything you need to know about this guy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exact change meaning by card?
GusFringus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was he nice and courteous?
feminists_are_dumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why his hair looks the way it does.
vensmith93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's something that automatically happens after you reach a certain age. Like, all you have to do is take out your change, pull random coins out and no matter what it'll be exact change
penultimart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he doesn't enjoy it. Maybe he hates it.
Maybe he forces himself to have it every time it's available though, in penance for not saying something he should have to his grandmother before she passed.
Just sayin.
Adamsandlersshorts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in retail. I've grown to love people who give me exact change. It makes my life so much easier. I hate trump less now
MichaelFreakingScott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As Penn Jilette says: "cotton candy made of piss"
teruma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cotton candy over white cherry? I can't believe this disgusting freak is gonna run our country.
xmu806 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually am very surprised that he paid in exact change. I guess I would have expected that he would have just used a card and not bothered with having to get change back. I am especially surprised that he carried coins. Honestly, I hate carrying coins and if I was a billionaire, I would probably just decline getting coins back. lol
Mr_Holden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a fuckin' boss.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He one of those guys that take an hour to find all their change in a huge line?
JMDeutsch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a change counter LMAO!
I always get stuck behind little old ladies with their change purse at the store.
Now I'm going to envision Trump bargaining with congress and whipping out his change purse to see if "he can cover it."
Takeme2yourleader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Debit card
Dreamcast3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It always seems so weird to me when celebrities go to public places like movie theatres or grocery stores. But at the same time, they're all normal people, no matter how much money or fame they have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this man so devastatingly adorable?
pokemonhegemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love the "exact change" part. For some reason, it gives me hope. I imagine the scene from the movie Dave.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoRHwIMYlbc
BillMurraysTesticle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's odd. There's no way he doesn't have his own personal theater.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paid in exact change is all i needed to know about him
jfreez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's also a 70 year old man. Cash was a lot more prevalent for him for most of his life
MinionCommander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does he even have that
goatonastik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably likes cotton candy because it so closely resembles his hair.
mikeweasy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he have a big wad of cash?
Zagubadu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"He also paid in exact change"
Somehow the most unbelievable part of the story LOL!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's...interesting.
JohnnyClarkee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get rich by giving away money.
MumrikDK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he picked it, but maybe he didn't end up enjoying it.
running_rum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like he really is the type of guy to always pay in exact change which is awesome and makes everyone's life easier!
Timoris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Paid in exact change".
See, that's why he's rich and us plebs arn't.
HAL__Over__9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can picture Trump counting our the exact change in dimes, nickels, and pennies, which makes me laugh.
haffbaked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get made fun of for getting everything cotton candy flavored when possible. And now I need to find a cotton candy slushie.
The_whitespace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like his cotton candy hair
SolidCake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Multiple stories of him paying in exact change
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
people become rich because they are financially responsible, and they dont waste money even small amount very often
that_nagger_guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:27 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does a man like that go to movie theaters?
redrivest101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:44 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just read on a comment below--apparently he's a germaphobe so he pays in exact change as to not get strange, germy money.
daugon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally.
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Iamabioticgod ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:49:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
source?
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Kybo10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and hillary was spending tax payer/foreign leader money not her own.
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Grenli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100-10000 is a huge difference. Is there a source on this?
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sharkbait1999 ยท 665 points ยท Posted at 23:22:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assisted photographer for a magazine interview. One hell of a dude. I firmly believe everything I saw during the campaign was a facade.
DickieDawkins ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 02:23:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think the heavily edited reporting on him played a role in having everyone think he was such an asshole during his campaign?
I ask, because I went to investigate all of these claims of bigotry and actually watched his rallies/speeches/debates IN THEIR ENTIRETY (instead of the bits and pieces reported on by all the media) and really liked the guy. I was a bernie supporter and as soon as I realized bernie sold out to the DNC, I went Trump. His policies are trying to fix the same issues bernie had, but nobody seems to care about that.
manatee1010 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 03:39:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you elaborate on which off his policies speak to you the most?
I'm being genuine.
DickieDawkins ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 04:31:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Pretty much all of them.
Infrastructure which was one of the big reasons I supported bernie.
VA reform bernie tried but did nothing for me and my friends. I can't afford health care and the VA sucks. I've lost 10 people to suicide in the last 8 years and I feel confident blaming that on lack of resources to the VA. Bernie says this is important to him, but his time as the VA committee chair has given us nothing, well next to nothing.
Trade Im sick of the only jobs being service industry. Working retail/food service since my discharge has left me beyond broke and now without a car, which further inhibits my ability to get a decent job. Bernie doesn't touch on this, not explicitly. The TPP is dead already.
His tax plan really doesn't seem like much and we always hear about "cutting the deductions". I'd really like to see him doing that, as my experience with some small business owners is that the big businesses work in these tax deductions so that the small guys are unable to operate due to taxes while the big businesses can easily hire people to use them. This is how a lot of big businesses end up with small tax contributions. It's a mediocre cut for the middle class (I did the math for a friend and her husband, they'd only save about $1,000/year, not including any deductions special programs he puts in place for families)
Cleaning up regulations While I agree and am absolutely certain there are regulations that must be in place (there always has to be rules or limits on things, otherwise you run into problems) I've dealt with more than enough bureaucracy in my food service and retail management positions to say that there plenty of laws that do nothing but waste labor and hurt productivity, as well as cause unnecessary stress. I would like to see regulations cleaned up.
Immigration I'm sure someone will call me a racist but our citizens are having a hard enough time right now, we don't need more competition in the labor force until we have our shit together. I'm not going to take in a person to my home if I don't have my home up to par. I had a lot of friends in the Navy who were from the border states and while they didn't hate mexicans, they definitely were not fond illegal immigrants for various reasons (including crime)
On immigration, this is also an issue of child trafficking and rape. 3/5 girls/women who cross the border illegally are raped. 3 out of fucking 5. We need to find a way to minimize illegal immigration for the sake of those poor girls who have to endure that trauma. If a wall helps, as the mexican southern border seemed to help reduce immigration from central america to the US, then lets do it.
National defense is kind of a mixed bag. There is a lot of money spent on "military" shit that is just a waste, such as the planes or whatever that nobody wanted in the military but were bought anyway. I think our military is hurting more than people realize because we're lumping all that wasted money in with the cost of our service members.
Healthcare Like bernie, he wants healthcare to be affordable and accessible. They have different methods of achieving that goal, but all I care about is being able to go the fucking doctor next time my stomach problem acts up, instead of waiting 6 months for the VA GI doctor to be able to see me (for which I'm always symptom free at the time. Cameras up your ass and down your throat are not fun, even with the drugs they give you)
I don't like his energy plan, but I think as a business man he's simply not aware of the science and change in demand to cleaner energies (as they're becoming far more cost effective). He is a smart man and I'm pretty confident he'll come around to this.
I do like his views on the constitution and the like, as I am finding far too many people these days comfortable with authoritarian concepts which I find runs counter to the idea of a free society. A free society needs to have freedoms guaranteed, not limits on what we can do (I'm speaking outside of doing things that explicitly harm others of course) It may not be a majority deal around the country but in my area and social circle I'm seeing many people who are ok with limiting speech and the like. I prefer my freedoms.
Childcare is another thing I like. I don't have kids but a big chunk of my friends and peers do. It is a huge burden on them trying to deal with shit wages while having to find someone to take care of their kid.
Compare Trump's policy page to that of Sanders and it's pretty apparent there is more substance in the former than the latter, whether you agree with them or not.
A lot of these policies are why I was supporting Sanders.
Sanders sold out and I was aware that clinton was not for the people, so I decided to actually look into trump and stop listening to the "OMG BIGOT" spread around.
I was pleasantly surprised when listening to his speeches and debates. He's blunt and honest. I respect that a TRILLION times more than someone who would rather sugarcoat something, I see sugarcoating as condescending..... and that's what pretty much every fucking politician does. Reality and the truth is harsh, say it like it is.
I started like his view of caring for the country so I started digging through youtube for old interviews of him. Turns out, Trump is patriotic as hell and loves his country and has made that clear over the years. How many rich folks do you know that have been democrat? Not many and the ones that are tend to be the better people.... at least from my experience.
EDIT: Thanks for the gold! Next time though, make a donation to charity instead!
Night_FoE ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 08:27:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the excellent reply, I'll be saving this for future use because of how well-written it is.
DickieDawkins ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 08:48:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate that and you're welcome.
I've been under a lot of attack socially and online by my fellow bernie supporters since I came out of the "I support trump" closet and have had to explain this ad nauseam to no positive effect, which has given me lots of practice on finding and explaining the why. I never get a rebuttal that isn't an ad hominem against me or Trump, the standard racist/sexist/fascist/homophobe remarks that never seem to be backed up with any sort of evidence.
I feel like I'm the one person who cares more about the outcome rather than the who and how.
NedSnark ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a democrat, I'm one of the only people I know who has spent time and effort on being open minded about support for Trump. It doesn't surprise me to hear that you've been attacked, because I've seen how unwilling anyone is to acknowledge that there were legitimate reasons to vote for him. (The other side is true, too; people have been remarkably close minded about support for Hillary as well.) I appreciate you spelling out that long post. It's a good one with an honest and articulate perspective.
Part of what's been tricky for me is that I've agreed with some of Donald's points. I loved hearing him call out Bush 2 for using misleading evidence to start the Iraq war. I have been calling for greater spending on infrastructure for years. I have a hard time arguing against the idea that people should use legal pathways towards immigration. In general, your post is filled with ideas that most rational people could agree with -- or at least understand even if they disagree.
On the other hand, though, is my deep resentment of the use of the inflammatory rhetoric that Trump was so fond of. I'm legitimately worried for the jewish family and friends in my life, who feel scared when they see swatsikas being graffiti'ed in schools. I'm scared for my lgbt friends, who are all in a nauseating limbo wondering if their marriages might be invalidated by a conservative supreme court. I'm worried for my muslim friends, who are more likely to be harassed on the street than they were a couple of years ago.
Even though I have these fears, which I do feel are legitimate, that doesn't mean I think the only reason to vote for Trump is because you're a racist. I'm not willfully blind. I do know how skewed the reporting was about the things Trump said throughout the election.
I guess this is a long winded way of saying that I wish we were more open minded about each other. So few of us are actually willing to listen to the other side. I know people see my fears as totally unjustified. And I know people see Trump votes as totally unjustified. Why do we have such a hard time understanding each other? Disagreement is one thing. But dehumanization is something else entirely.
Thanks for your long post and you're willingness to still be vocal even in the face of so much close-mindedness.
DickieDawkins ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:58:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see my comment above the long post? I kept hearing about this inflammatory rhetoric and investigating it myself found pretty much every news outlet selectively editing or telling "us" to infer something that isn't there.
What inflammatory rhetoric are you talking about specifically?
Most of these things have been hoaxes. There are websites and subreddits that track the hoaxes. Quite a few people have been arrested and charged this year with fake hate crimes. Fake hate crimes should CONCERN EVERYBODY, as it makes us need to be even MORE skeptical of the legit claims which is only going to hurt more people (whether it results in trump supporters being attacked because of a hate crime hoax or brings about a loony racist to think it's ok to act out) I AM NOT DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF HATE CRIMES, JUST THE PREVALENCE OF THESE AS THEY'RE ALL MASKED UNDER THE STRAWMAN OF TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS.
The funniest part about this is the amount of violence and vandalism against trump supporters. We're worried about hate crimes, but when the bigotry is towards an idea/political view rather than skin color/religion/sexual orientation we don't care. I find it racist to think that we only need to worry about "those poor brown folk" and not the other victims. To me it seems that only focusing on one demographic of victims instead of others is implying that you think the former demographic needs special help because they're weak.
/r/HateCrimeHoaxes
That's not how supreme court rulings work. This is a problem. Fear mongering has you, and they, worried over something that just isn't feasible. I can understand WHY you would be worried about this, but cases have to be sent up the chain, from the bottom to the SC. The SC then rules on it at that point.
Do you see anyone out there trying to challenge marriage equality in lesser courts with the attempt of reaching the supreme court?
On top of that, Trump has been abundantly clear that he thinks all of these issues should be states' rights, and the state is where democracy is, not at the federal level (We the people elect our state representatives then give a vote to tell our state how to vote for the president, The US is a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy)
/u/NedSnark - This is how political discourse SHOULD be. Instead of the identity politics and ad hominems, we should discuss and try to understand people's view points. I'm not saying that people like you don't exist but I haven't met someone IRL in 2 years who can have an honest discussion without calling someone racist/sexist/homophobe/fascist.
Ridry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:03:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll pick 5, but I have over 100.
He never walked back his claim about NJ Muslims celebrating the downing of the towers, which saddens me because Muslims have a hard enough time already without the US believing they are all terrorists.
When he said a US federal judge couldn't be impartial against him because of their Mexican heritage.
Mainstreaming the birther movement against our first black President.
โLook at that face! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?โ (I wouldn't vote for Fiorina, but that's a horrible thing for our President to say.... does she need to be a 10 to vote for her?)
His comments against POWS (he likes vets that weren't captured).
I'll give a bonus #6 that he called Rosie O'Donnel a fat pig.
So I've got Muslims, POWs, "ugly" women, "fat" women, Mexicans and I guess black guys from Hawaii? on the list here. To me those 6 comments alone show a man that has lowered the standard of how a President should act.
That's basically horrific to me. IMHO you have 2 choices. Erase permanently the concept of Federal marriage or have it so that NY marriages are valid in Utah. There's no middle ground.
The SCOTUS would be really, really, really stupid to undo gay marriage at this point, but if conservatives thought they could they would try. In general it's a bad idea to overturn a ruling that is highly against public opinion and would be a nightmare to undo.
I'm more worried about justices being appointed that would allow us to continue the dark ages of conversion therapy, cake wars and the war against gay adoption that makes them second class citizens.
Actually, for the record, I think Trump likes gay people. But he's not going to appoint a justice to the stolen SCOTUS seat that will fight for LGBT rights.
I would agree that this is a terrible way to argue. Many people supported Trump because they were racist/sexist/homophobe/fascist. But I will say that if Trump had remained a Democrat, had the same rhetoric, won the Dem primary and ran against Ted Cruz... a conservative nutjob who wants us to be a theocracy.... I have no idea WTF I would do. With the SCOTUS in the balance, my belief that third party votes are largely wasted and not wanting to hand Ryan a President that'd rubber stamp his conservative garbage.... I'd probably have voted Trump and then vomited.
Rorigin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:12:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump didn't seem to mind gay marriage, we don't know who he will appoint, he was a democrat for ages. And the issues would be a setback for the fast moving movement, but It seems mostly publicly accepted that it's going to happen.
I don't think "Many people supported Trump because they were racist/sexist/homophobe/fascist." It seems such a small % of the population. Most people can simply dismiss personal attacks as not racist/sexist/homophobic/fascist and find some remarks inflated by the news.
Those remarks are on the path of becoming irrelevant as people equate Nazi's Linching and wanting to kill minorities/women/gays , To personal insults.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We know he plans to appoint a justice on his list. He floated 20 names. I find none of them acceptable. So he's either appointing a conservative justice or he lied to voters.
Many wasn't a bad word. Even if it's 1% that's still 600,000 people. There is no way to take the idea that Mexican judges can't be impartial as anything but racist IMHO.
Rorigin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:04:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you had a hard stance on illegal immigration , it effects legal Mexican migrants also, he either used it as a tactic to get a judge more in his favor or did think the judge couldn't be impartial due to sentimentalization of the news over the subject.
To make remarks like many racist/sexist/homophobic/fascist supported trump, would be like someone saying many Muslim terrorists, black rapists , female communists, or illegal Mexicans voted for Hillary.
It's insulting to everyone and is disingenuous to why people actually vote one way or another. There were also a good few remarks that made Hillary racist/sexist/homophobic by these weak definitions.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but the KKK in NC held a victory parade after Trump's win. And I personally feel like some of his comments/retweets were meant to dog whistle to these guys. I know votes are votes, but if you're trying to win the scumbag vote that's a problem for me. If you read my whole post you'd see that I posted a perfectly reasonable explanation for why many non deplorable people voted for him.
But do I feel like Donald tried to make the racist/sexist/etc groups part of his coalition? I do. That's one of my issues with him, not his average voter. I'm not trying to lump people in the rust belt who felt ignored, pro life activists or immigration hard liners with the KKK. My sincere apologies if you felt I was.
That said we reach a dangerous slope with your first comment. Maybe Muslim judges can't preside over Donald either because he's talking about closing Mosques. Or Black judges because of what he did to Obama in his birther conspiracy. Are you not troubled by fact that in Donald Trump's insinuations that really only an old white guy is fit to sit on his case? Because that's where that slippery slope ends my friend.
Rorigin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First half - Just seeing a lot of the lumping of people, I don't talk to anyone and have been reading a fair bit in politics lately. Saddens me looking to both sides. Everyone seems a lot closer than they feel. Second half - You're right in that justice should be blind and it's dangerous and in bad character to act that way. But as a businessman and a power figure, you can see in a lot of situations he does what needs to be done to get better odds. I'm sure rich people (with crafty lawyers) do such things all the time, and it's up to the people who control such to know it's not right.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:14 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love this sentiment :-)
And I appreciate that you agree about the courts. I do understand what you are saying about him being a businessman. If I'm being honest my issue has never been what's in his heart, it's the message he sends. My wish for his Presidency is that he is better. That he does good.
ComesWithTheFall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:49 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The judge supported La Raza (The Race), the movement to reclaim/claim large swaths of the US for the mexican race. Of course the judge was biased.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:02 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the NCLR's stated goal and the judge isn't a member of THAT La Raza anyway. More evidence that Trump's post truth politics paid off. You've been conned. If you fact check everything he says you'd be lucky to come out 50/50. But it won him the election so obviously we're doing it wrong.
NedSnark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:51:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First, I'd agree with you that there were a lot of headlines that made Trump seem bad, where you looked closer and it was overblown. But that doesn't mean that he's totally innocent of this. For me, it absolutely started with Trump's insistence on taking the birther mantle. That struck me as a long and disgusting smear on our first black president. Is it an explicitly racist comment? No. But is it a claim championed by racists? Yes. (Just do a little googling of nigger obama kenya and you'll see that. Or do some research into the public opinion polls to see how much more common the birther belief is among people who see blacks as inferior.) And for real, there's so many legitimate reasons to criticize Obama. We're gunna pretend he's not an American? It's just so insulting, so rude. (You can disagree with me here, but I definitely felt it that way.)
I thought Trump's announcement of his campaign was similarly offensive. He said, "When Mexico sends their people, they're not sending their best... They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people." This is a pretty nasty characterization of illegal immigrants, especially that last phrase. Only some of them are good people. Presumably, then, most of them are in the same category as rapists. I've known and worked with a lot of hispanic immigrants, both legal and illegal, and I think this is just a callous way of describing people.
And this doesn't even touch on his language about women. Trump's response to Megyn Kelly's questioning his comments about women "She had blood coming out of her eyes... blood coming out of her wherever" is just gross, crass, and demeaning to women.
Now again, you can disagree with me about whether these comments offended you. But you can't disagree with me that they offended me. I'm a teacher, and one of my fundamental rules of my classroom is that we treat each other with respect. I really don't appreciate the lack of respect Trump is willing to show other people. And I think it sets a really bad example for our country.
Agree 100%.
I think physical and verbal assaults on Trump supporters are terrible. Again, as a teacher, I'm trying to teach my students to be open minded of each other to prevent these sorts of things.
I don't think about it that way. It's more about who is close to me. I have jews in my family, and a bunch of my closest friends are jews. I worry about them, because they're scared.
I know how the SC works. I know that they don't make unilateral decisions. I know that trials need to move up through the tiers. So obviously a conservative court won't immediately turn over Roe V. Wade and Marriage Equality. But there are plenty of crafty lawyers, think tanks, and super pacs who have plenty of strategies to get cases in front of courts that will allow them to move up towards the SC.
I hope you're right that this isn't feasible. But I fear that you're wrong. I haven't seen people start this process in the courts yet, but I have seen people write and pass laws meant to curtail lgbt rights. I know there is a portion of my country, and a soon-to-be-sitting vice president, who believe homosexuality is an abomination. I have faith that they're going to try to act on that belief. I hope the courts can stop them. I fear that a conservative supreme court won't.
Agreed. As a teacher and as a person I want to do what (little) I can to help change the culture right now. I think if more democrats could acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons to be a Trump supporter, we'd be a better country. I think if more Trump supporters could acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons for people to feel afraid of the implications of a Trump presidency, we'd be a better country.
Personally, I hope that for you, seeing some of my responses here has given you some sense of why some people might be troubled by a Trump presidency. We're not all sheep incapable of critical thought. I promise you that I have spent a lot of time at the_donald just reading. I promise you that I spent a lot of time reading transcripts of his and hillary's speeches. I promise you that, as a teacher of critical thinking, I question and doubt the media constantly, and that I will be critical of every presidential candidate ever. I hope you don't walk away from this conversation thinking "He has no reason to be afraid," but that instead you simply walk away from it thinking "He is afraid. I don't agree that he needs to feel afraid, but I recognize that he does."
Rorigin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was saying their rapists, as a continuation of the idea that illegal immigration and criminals are probably more likely to commit more crimes. Cartels and drug wars and such.
Can I ask why your Jewish friends and family would be afraid?
DickieDawkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:11 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was actually the final straw in turning me to a trump supporter. I saw everyone going on about how he was calling mexicans rapists so I watched that rally. I did not hear "All mexicans are rapists," and still can't grasp how other people hear that.
NedSnark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:50 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I guess first let me say a couple of things: I'm not a Jew so I may not be the best speaker for them. I'm sure you can look around on reddit and find some Jewish subreddits to get a sense of perceptions of the community. Then I'd say that not every Jew I know feels this way; at least one of them voted for trump. And Jews are not monolithic -- there's an old saying "two Jews three opinions." So obviously take my comments with a grain of salt. But I do think my words do reflect my experience.
But among my close friends there's been a growing sense of unease the past couple of years. And it's been felt very acutely in the past few weeks. Nationalism and Jews don't really go hand in hand; just about no nationalistic movement includes Jews as part of their group. Nationalism is often tied at least in some way to Christianity, and Jews are kind of inherently "others." (Both because they choose to maintain judaism as their cultural identity and because mainstream culture tends to keep them on the outside. But that's a long and complex topic.) So rising nationalism across Europe, and now across the US is like a static in the air, because, historically, Anti Semitism goes with it. Similarly, rising bigotry, even when it's not aimed at Jews, tends to make Jews uncomfortable because of the feeling that sooner or later it will be aimed at them. Trumps rise has certainly been tied to a nationalist urge. And he may not be a racist himself; but he's definitely the president for avowed racists. See his endorsement by the Klan, and his consistently positive coverage on infowars, a website run by a guy who says things like "I don't hate the Jews but I do think they have a global conspiracy." When you have rising nationalism and a president who is making racists feel empowered, that makes people nervous.
The news in the past week has seemed to confirm these fears. There has been about an increase in hate and harassment. Swatsikas have been drawn/written in suny geneseo, suny Albany, and the new school. Some people on Reddit assume the majority of these are hoaxes. But the Jews I know are not assuming that. This makes them feel like the next few years are not going to be a time of feeling safe.
Again, you can disagree with these points. But you can't disagree with the fact that this is how the people I know feel. I'd hope people could at least acknowledge it.
DickieDawkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:43 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lot of words to say "Patriotism(nationalism) is literally nazism"
doubleduty ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 10:59:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird that we have to come up with excuses, like it's not enough to say "They entered the country illegally and you can't do that."
My wife is from another country and this drives her up the wall. She thinks Americans who support illegal immigration are like from another planet.
iushciuweiush ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:21:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that half this country thinks US immigration laws are archaic and cruel which blows my mind because they're in-line with everyone else's. Every time one of these people says 'I'm moving to Canada' I tell them to do so illegally and let me know where they end up when Canada finds out.
DickieDawkins ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:33:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that it's really not that easy to get citizenship in candada :D
doubleduty ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:21:43 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This kind of thing makes it hard for me to see the line between politics and religion in the US. Like, at least Christians and Muslims know that the thing they believe in is a "religion" which there are many of and have a history of problems, etc. Popular Progressives have none of this. They think they're mainlining objective reality and moral absolutes. That's what scares me, in a horrible 1984 kind of way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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thelandman19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it weird though? They are our neighbors.
DickieDawkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the people that have an issue with trumps statements on illegal immigration IMMEDIATELY think of mexicans. Trump says illegal immigrants, they hear "Mexican"... which I think might be a little racist. AFAIK, there are illegal immigrants who just overstayed their visas as well.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DickieDawkins ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:26:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ME FUCKING TOO. I think we can bring some of it back but probably on newer technologies, such as solar panels and the like. I think bernie addresses our shift to service industry work as our biggest sector by wanting to raise the minimum wage, but that's only a temporary solution to a permanent problem. I've worked retail and restaurant management since 2008 and it's pretty apparent that the bigger companies could afford to pay their employees SIGNIFICANTLY MORE without it hurting their business (and from personal experience working for a few small business owners, the better people are paid/taken care of, the better work they do for you. A local bar here has apartments above it, owned by the owner of the bar. The employees get awesome discounts on food, booze, and rent. I've never seen a business with such low turnover. 95% of their turnover is people graduating college and moving away)
So far they've been nothing but harm for the average american worker. Even That 70's Show had an episode about this with Red Foreman losing his job and having to go into retail. It's only gotten worse. I'll take a failed effort to fix this over another trade agreement or just ignoring the issue.
This is not what I found when I looked at the tax proposals. He basically expanded the brackets for low income to do away with one of the brackets. With Trump's plan, my rate (as a single filer) is 12% up to about $37,000 and 25% up to about $110,000.
The current tax plan is 10% to $9,275, 12% to $37,650, 25% to $91,150, and 28% up to $190,000
For ease of numbers we'll look at $50,000 annual income (around the median income IIRC) as a single filer, no deductions.
Trumps plan: ~$7,690 owed in income tax Current Plan: ~$7790 owed in income tax.
Very modest. Hard to say how the deductions will play out there.
I was very pro PPACA (Obamacare) and even read the entire released PDF of it's contents. Now I'm seeing all of my friends complain about their premiums and deductibles skyrocketing this year. SOMETHING needs to be done. I don't care if it's single payer or a monkey throwing feces, if it allows me to go to the doctor without waiting 6 months (I go to the VA. Specialist visits take fucking forever) I'm all for it.
You're my new favorite /u/Zola_Rose , I care about the ISSUES and SOLVING OUR PROBLEMS first and foremost. I don't care how we solve it, as long as no undue harm is caused in the process, I just care that we do. ALL of my friends (I'm pretty sure 100% of them) don't seem to care about the issues, they just wanted socialism. Healthcare isn't their concern, it's having single payer. If I pay a deduction on my paycheck for benefits, I don't give a shit if it's a tax deduction for single payer or an insurance premium, as long as I don't have to go into debt to get my medical issues solved.
I've always been liberal, not A LIBERAL, but liberal. I want freedoms for everyone to do pretty much anything as they please, as long as they're not infringing on another person's well-being, which is why we need to keep big banks and these pseudo monopolies from forming (Wal-Mart moving to my town when I was a kid caused a BUNCH of smaller franchise/private grocery stores to go out of business. 2 of them were owned by my friend's uncle, who was paying $10/hr starting out back around 2000 around when wal-mart started killing the business. That friend is now working at wal-mart for $9 and change an hour, as a supervisor)
I'm seeing far too many people claiming to be liberal but championing authoritarian issues/talking points, and that scares me.
fikme ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:39:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow , you should send this to Hillary , since she believes all trump voters are uneducated and have no clue .. she thinks people are dumb
DickieDawkins ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid that if I would, I'd go missing or suicide by 3 bullets to the back of the head after dropping a barbell on my neck.
fikme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:25:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yes , and also her supporters seem to over look this fact and make her seem like an angel .. crazy
Meiyouxiangjiao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:40 on February 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm interested in what state you live in that has such a shitty VA. Six months? My god!
DickieDawkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:14 on February 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last I checked, we were actually pretty highly rated.
If I have an emergency, I can go and get helped for free and immediately. However the VA is 50 minutes away without traffic. I broke my ankle a few years ago and had to make that drive. I was in shock from the pain by time I got there.
key1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to clarify: Sanders never "sold out" as he went all the way to role call at the DNC. Farthest you can possibly go in the process. His conditions were that Hillary adopted some of his policies after he lost if she wanted his endorsement. If you recall, he was extremely pressured by the dnc to drop out well before the DNC in Philly. That is just stupid to say.
sharkbait1999 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:27:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but it worked both ways. Alienated some and drew some to him. A textbook catch 22
DickieDawkins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that was my point. The selective editing and biased reporting is what has people so adamantly against him and recognizing that the editing and reporting wasn't fair is what made me support him. Up until the Chicago issue, I was on the "OMG trump is a racist/sexist" train.
Mildad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:14:15 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most definitely. This is what the MSM is best at. They take quotes out of context and have their talking heads spin/exaggerate them in the worst possible way. As you can see, people eat it up. As I continue to warm up to Trump it has become painfully obvious how hard the media has, and continues to try to demonize and slander him. It's getting pathetic at this point.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:47:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand the point of turning into a "jerk" for the election. I mean, he was running against Hillary. He'd have got attention no matter what just because he's Trump. And at the start of the campaigning media seemed to like him.
cinepro ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 04:48:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect people who study psychology and human persuasion will be working to figure that out for decades. Maybe he could have won a different way, but for better or worse, that was the way he did it. The way I see it, he basically "hacked" the election. He hacked the Republican nomination process, and then the general election. He played outside of the "box", and the media couldn't see it (because they were still stuck in the box).
jkdjkdkdk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some one described it as "juked his way to the presidency". I read he only spent 37% of the money of the Clinton campaign did but not sure how accurate that is.
DefinitelyIngenuous ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:42:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump spent about $285M in his campaign.
Hillary spent about $609M in her campaign.
Source.
Twentey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:42:16 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She spent 1.5 billion
Emperor_Septim ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to read on the persuasion he used I recommend you look up Scott Adams. He called the election from the start and talks about the techniques used.
cinepro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually did follow Scott Adams for the last 18 months on this. I was a "never-Trump'er", and he never convinced me to vote for him, so the day of the election I was going to email him and say "Hey, you never convinced me to vote for Trump, but I enjoyed the effort, and it looks like he's going to lose, so you were wrong there, but thanks for the interesting take on the election."
Then Trump won and I'm glad I didn't send the email!
Rockyrock1221 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 06:16:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He needed to 'stir the pot' so to speak.
Instead of being just another Bush or Clinton slogged through the campaign process he was something fresh and different.
It's a major reason why he won. The American people are tired of the same old shit from Washington. They wanted a voice again and Trump was their outlet.
Not even the biased media could stop it from happening. In fact their incessant propaganda pieces probably helped trump more than hurt him in the long run.
There's no such thing as bad publicity as they say.
Epidemilk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 08:53:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been kinda wondering for months if that was the whole point, to see if that works on politics.
khube ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In his book he is a strong believer in this.
perkel666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:35:51 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It only worked because Trump isn't new face. He had public face from at least 80' and when media said that he is racist/mysognistic etc no one believes them.
MadBliss ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:38:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had to select a polarizing persona to contradict Hillary's agenfa as much as possible. The numbers he needed to win were found in disenfranchised Whites. The stereotypical Wal-Mart shopper who would never identify with Hillary whose main struggle across all of her campaigns was her inability to seem relatable. Trump as a brand and as himself is not relatable but his fabricated persona is. I cant stomach much of what he ran on but I believe his MO as president will be incredibly more moderate.
wutnow55 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:18:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well really trump made huge ground with minorities than Republicans in the past. I attribute that more for him winning than "disenfranchised whites". Just saying not trying to start an argument or be a jerk by any means but you can look at exit polling and other data sites have and see that to be true.
perkel666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:37:42 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are mistaken.
Clinton literally represented globalists who want even more globalism that put those people into those WAlmarts as their original jobs were shipped away.
Trump represented nationalists who want "america first" get those jobs back and penalize anyone sending jobs away.
enfier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:32 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump runs certain "plays" if you will and the strategy is actually pretty simple. In fact he details them in his book for anyone to read. However the strategy plays to human nature and biases so it works out pretty well.
He dominated the media coverage by just dropping a controversy every few days. He'd say something "offensive" and then the news would run for a day or two on that, then he'd clarify or there'd be a reaction and that would go for a day or two and then Trump would drop something else for the media to feed on. Preferably it would be something that could be interpreted either way - his supporters would see the media picking on him for something reasonable, his detractors would discount his ability to win. The media isn't going to skip reporting on it because it's entertaining, people are going to talk about it, and the end result is that 90% of the conversation ends up being about Trump.
rattamahatta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Free advertising worth billions of dollars. That's what he got.
Minato2025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:06 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He needed a way to stand out in the GOP primary stage, they had like 8+ candidates on the debate floors. What better way than to say controversial statements and get guaranteed media coverage?
1morestudent ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:43:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you do a casualama please?
sharkbait1999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. If you see the fideo of him shaking hands last night at the 21 club when he "didn't tell the media he was going out to dinner"; that's him. The "we'll get your taxes down" is just a joke and he's that guy
Limberine ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:33:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think the real Trump will be like as president then?
taldarus ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 01:26:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP, but, Trump will probably be a good president. Odds are good he will be in office two terms.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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taldarus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:57:15 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the point. Everyone is acting like its the end of the world. It is established. It will probably happen for Trump.
Trump doesn't have to do much to get a second term, just not screw it up.
Trumps popularity will SOAR with the common American. Expectation is too low. People are expecting a catastrophe, and anyone who understands the US system knows that it is almost impossible. Trump clearly planned this whole thing out, and played the system to his advantage. He will be in a position of strength for the next election, and has four years to solidify.
As a democrat, would you want to run after Trump in the next presidential election? After what happened to Hillary?
Someone may have the balls, but again... how the system works dictates that it is just better to lie low and wait till Trump time is over in eight years.
Trump will probably serve 8 years in office. They will be relatively good years too. (Not so much due to Trump, but that there is an interesting balance of power, I would expect at least one house of congress to flip to democrat in the next four years)
Limberine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:29:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd put money on him not lasting 2 years. I don't think he is going to like doing the job.
Fallout99 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 01:33:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's been saying this for the last year and a half. But during the last couple of weeks Trump was doing multiple events a day and did 6 events in 3 states the last day of the campaign. The guy definitely wanted it.
Limberine ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:48:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but he likes doing the big events with all the cheering. I don't think he is going to enjoy all the briefings and reading and living in a fishbowl that the presidency involves. He has been his own boss for a long time and now he is basically an employee on a short leash, I think he will hate it after a while.
Evon117 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 08:57:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that was his job before the race? He went into boardrooms with other businessmen and talked about about mundane shit like business.
Limberine ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:04:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well some of the time, on his schedule and talked about things he knows about. He is going to be chasing a massive learning curve on topics he knows very little about with people who know what they are doing...
MGPythagoras ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:05:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he will still be his own boss. I think he is going to break a lot of the "traditions" we see from past presidents. Either way, should be very interesting.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:34:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also curious about what sort of image he'll maintain. A lot of his voters seemed pretty set on prosecuting Hillary, stopping all Muslim immigration, and deporting all illegal immigrants. It doesn't seem like he's going to do these things. If his brand of shaking up the system doesn't on out, I wonder if he'll even make it to a second term
Mycoxadril ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well, the people who will be disappointed if he doesn't follow through with these campaign promises (which I don't think he ever intended to because they're so out there), are people who will vote Republican either way. So in 4 years, they're certainly not going to vote democrat because the guy who promised to basically burn the world down didn't deliver.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:49:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention he's 70... not sure if he'd be up to another term from 74-78
Limberine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That too. Look how the presidency has aged Obama.
Mycoxadril ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a little scary to imagine what Trump will look like in 4 years, and certainly scarier if he is elected to a second term. The job ages all presidents. I'm torn as to whether Trump will look like a tattered and torn leather shoe, or if he'll magically come out of it looking younger and continuing to defy all logic.
taldarus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What odds? (serious)
Limberine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:45:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he is still in office 2 weeks after the 2 year anniversary of his inauguration remind me and I'll give you reddit gold. :-) If he isn't and I remember I'll nudge you to gold me.
taldarus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:52:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
uh.... don't know how reddit gold works, nor do I want one...
1:1 odds aren't that certain. I was hoping for 3:1 at least...
Limberine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what are your "good odds" on him lasting 2 terms?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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taldarus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Cut the sensational garbage man. This is a serious post. If you are serious, get some help, people have been screaming that the world will end 2000, 2012, 2020?
Edit: you can go even further back. Before global warnings the big scare was overpopulation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation
Iswallowedafly ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is surrounding himself with yes men.
That's not what you want in a president.
And he seems to have no idea what the actual job entails.
maybe he gets off of the running for president, but now he actually has to govern.
And he doesn't get to kick people out if they disagree with him.
And there is no more Clinton as a way to distract people from the issues.
taldarus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:35:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
How is this different from either the Republicans or the Democrats?
A democrat president, with only democrats on staff, is still surrounding themselves with yes me. (I know Obama was different)
Right now, as I suspected, we have a fake republican president elect. He nominates 'republicans' but it seems to be more of the fringe element. (I have little practical experience with modern republican practice).
Why is this interesting? Hopefully, it will be a wake up call. Obama had the chance to reign in the presidential powers, but abused them (technically- I think he meant well, but he abused them). Now we have a wild card. Trump is barely republican. (theres only speculation, but the die-hard republicans hate trump atm)
ALL of Washington DC hates trump. No one can deny it. DC was almost 100% democrat this election.
We don't have a president elect with ALL the senate and house behind him, we have a president with NO support at all (maybe one or two senators, 5-10 reps, but nothing much).
This would be better if we had a republican house, democrat senate, and independent president, but thats ok. It's still something different. Both parties will have to work together to cancel out trump, and we should see some vicious political battles in the next few years.
A president is supposed to keep the house and senate from getting out of control, and we just nominated their biggest enemy. Should be a good four years. Hopefully trump will crack down on them like a very angry sledgehammer. Trim the corruption out of the system. He may not, but he already burned a ton of political in-roads to making alliances, so I struggle to see how he will gain support in congress.
Edit 1: for clarity
Edit 2:I think people forget that he was actually a good business man, before an actor. Reality show or not, it is still acting. The man is an actor. Do not mistake the ability to look dumb on camera with actual stupidity. Most 'stupid' people on camera are the most cunning and clever. He won the election, and it seems to have all worked out the way he wanted it to so far.
This means he is not likely surrounding himself with 'yes' men. Just people who disagree with your world view. (I don't know, just conjecture)
Iswallowedafly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He lost a billion dollars in the Casino industry.
How does anyone do that?
And remember that all of those GOP house members are going to be for reelection in two years.
Now they can defy Trump all they want, but that might not play too well to GOP voters.
taldarus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lose in Casino industry? Not sure, by not being a crook?
While they will be up for re-election. It is in two years. I seriously doubt the party has lost that much cohesion.
Trump may gain ground on the republican side, but honestly, the infighting would probably lead to a democratic push. The GOP can't afford to be weak, but career politicians clearly don't like Trump.
In about two years, probably they will play nice, pretend like they are all friends with Trump (assuming he maintains popularity) until election is over. Then back to a hostile footing. Public needn't know, and wont care because country will probably be looking pretty good.
Unfortunately, Trump will get all the glory for that, but that's how the system is set to work...
Pro-Trump GOP will think the party is changing, and be happy.
Anti-Trump GOP may jump ship. (I would love for this to happen)
My guess is Trump will gain a lot of minority votes. Everything I have seen about the person (not in media, but irl) indicates he is actually very non-racist.
He wants to revise immigration laws and crack down on security, but also free people from h1's. We might see a swing for improved quality of life on lower class demographics. If Trump is smart, he can get a huge number of minority votes. (Obama proves the 'minorities' aren't that minor)
At the same time, he will gain ground with the 'fringe' Republicans by increasing security. So he will gain voter support there.
However, he will also make inroads into the more conservative democratic party.
If Trump does what I have seen him do so far, he will probably gain 20% of the minority/democrat votes, lose 20-30% of the die-hard Republicans, while cementing the fringe elements. Comes away with the next election in another landslide.
All in all, Trump just has to keep the boat a float, do his job, and fullfill enough of his promises (probably when the Republicans are playing nice in two years) to show he did 'something' and people will swing his way.
I am not holding my breath, but we will see. Might get lucky and see a major schism in the GOP in four years, probably wont. Was hoping we would see the birth of a third party, but looks like the system was too durable for Trump.
Republicans and Democrats like the status quo, and my guess is they are going to focus entirely on damage control. They, like most people, see the 'actor Trump' and underestimate him. They already did it once at the primary, and then AGAIN at the election. Hopefully, they have learned their lessons and wont underestimate him again...
That would be the real variable, if Trump suckers them. We could easily see the GOP shatter. BUt again, if they are THAT stupid, I don't think they should be in office...
sharkbait1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not as consequential as we think he'll be
mmmcarbs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is weirdly comforting. All of these stories are. I haven't come across negative one yet. I said to my bf over and over, I really hope this is a facade to excite and rouse a certain group of people, ruffle some feathers, get noticed and that now that he's in, he will actually use the win to do something good. The alternative is terrifying but these stories are really comforting.
methylated_spirit ยท 9607 points ยท Posted at 17:40:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Trump owns a golf resort in Scotland not far from my home, and he was speaking at a chambers of commerce meeting a couple of years ago, catered by students of the local cookery college, of which I was one - we did little canapes and nibbles, nothing major, but he popped in and thanked us for our efforts and said he enjoyed the food, which was nice of him.
freundwich1 ยท 3594 points ยท Posted at 19:57:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most impressive post so far. He made it a point to meet with the catering student staff to compliment them?
Caststarman ยท 2412 points ยท Posted at 20:55:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like some of his stances on different issues, but that doesn't mean he can't be a nice guy.
arcanascu ยท 2293 points ยท Posted at 21:02:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is actually really nice. All the stuff I've seen on him have painted him as a maniac, and the presidential debates didn't really help that impression in my mind. It's nice to see stories of him being a real person.
Flynamic ยท 736 points ยท Posted at 21:07:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I want to like Donald Trump. He seems fun and interesting. Maybe he likes to present himself as an asshole in public for attention only.
CrabKingCalendar ยท 776 points ยท Posted at 21:12:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I believe everything he did was very deliberate. He needed to draw attention to himself and reframe the relevant conversation for this election. He used every opportunity to yell as loud as possble, and this got him more media coverage than any other candidate could have dreamt of.
MrMytie ยท 559 points ยท Posted at 21:40:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of me thinks that if he ran a normal, civilised campaign from the start he would never have got near finishing line.
[deleted] ยท 469 points ยท Posted at 22:38:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell no. He wouldn't have made it past the primaries. If he did anything but double down on the crazy he would have washed out in weeks.
He played the country like a fiddle.
BitGladius ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 23:05:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good quality for a leader. It doesn't guarantee good goals, but it means he can reach them.
waywardwoodwork ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 23:18:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To an extent. He played a beautiful strategy to get himself what he wanted. At what price to public and social discourse? Not to say that he himself is responsible for it. Media were happy to roll in the shit.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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riko_rikochet ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:38:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't fair to you. But on the flip side, I would try to speak with someone voting for Trump, and I would get "Clinton is a Satan worshiper." Where do you go from there?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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badgertime33 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theyve been aweful for decades. I'm sorry to hear about your friends asking you to apologize for not voting for her. Abosolutely ridiculous. The left's blindness to how theyre used and abused by the DNC leadership is just astonishing. I hope they begin to wake up to that, once they do they should apologize to you.
PM_Me_Yo_Tits_Grrl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:25 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm.
Well she might be.
But There's no way to know that so I'd not consider it. But it seems the racist narrative is institutionalized with even rational people, whereas the Satanist thing reasonable people know that that isn't something to judge on
TGNK87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Because we have to chase him. Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now, so we'll hunt him. Because he can take it, because he's not a hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector, a Dark Knight."
-Commissioner Gordon, on
BatmanDonald TrumpAlortania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The social discourse started well before he ran.
He didn't push it, it just shifted from cop shoots black dude to how Trump will destroy the country because that let them incorporate other groups into the tensions.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:41:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. If nothing else, he'll lead like a motherfucker. Where he leads everyone is anyone's guess, but he'll damn sure get us there XD
TheComeback ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:28:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying all the fucked up things that he did are no by no means a good quality for a leader. I don't understand this perspective at all.
Examples of what he actually said this year : http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html
aftokinito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okie doke....
TheComeback ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, you think he didn't say those things? Which are hyperlinked to the source?
I picked a random well-known outlet, it's not hard to find the racist and sexist remarks, blatant disregard for the law, the hundred of times he tweeted that climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese, etc...
aftokinito ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:52:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean those remarks taken out of context and manipulated by the main stream media and other pseudo-journalistic "news outlets"?
VicisSubsisto ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:47:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scott Adams was right. He's a master manipulator.
bpwoods97 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:22:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He played us like a damn FIDDLE.
ebolawakens ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:46:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's been 9 years Boss..."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:43:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that's a reference
riko_rikochet ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:48:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that's the really terrifying part. It's not whether Trump is or isn't this insane dude, it's that almost half of American voters were responsive not to policy, not to reason, but to insanity.
BitGladius ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:09:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the gist of Trump's campaign. It doesn't break down until we get to details. It's almost like rooting for a sports team: he's the only candidate loudly saying we are the best, we can be the best. Policy and everything else follows the mission statement, and can be nitpicky and counterintuitive to a lot of people. Voting for mission alone, I would have voted Trump.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:23:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really terrifying, everyone already knows this. If anything it's reassuring because it shows that he has his finger on the pulse of the nation, and is intelligent enough to win over and hold the attention of so many people. How many quiet, reserved, highly intelligent and logical people win elections? They don't, so I would never trust a person like that as president because they don't understand how to appeal to people, and that alone demonstrates a lack of intelligence and a lack of pragmatism.
You can't just take random loud nutjobs and have them run for president, people aren't just voting on that basis. They already know what policy they believe in and it doesn't take much time to recognize which candidate is most in line with their beliefs. What they're looking for is a person that they believe will actually follow through on his policy and who they feel they can trust. They want to know that he can air all of these views publicly with overwhelming confidence so that he doesn't backtrack or become paralyzed by criticism.
The whole act is mostly just to gain attention. Any voters that he won over, or who he convinced to vote for the first time in a long while, caught onto him because he made himself a presence.
TastyBrainMeats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama did it twice.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:27:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama may be privately very reserved and quiet, but apparently so is Trump. What matters is their public presentation and Obama is definitely not reserved and quiet in public.
stationhollow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is Obama also had his finger on the pulse kf the nation. He knew what buttons to press and won as a result.
riko_rikochet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:27:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No you misunderstand, I mean he caught their attention.
riko_rikochet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, he caught their attention with insanity. That's the problem. Insanity is what people pay attention to, it's what sells, it's what people trust and believe in.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:54:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Insanity isn't the word at all.
ChiefFireTooth ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:54:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You almost say that as if it was the first time in the history of the country.
riko_rikochet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this election drew a new line for insanity that still gets you elected.
ChiefFireTooth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part about that is the implication of it: that we still haven't found where that "too far" line is, so in the near future we'll be pushing it even further.
JustAGuyCMV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you guys are really missing the reason he got elected. Trump supporters never really took the outlandish things that he said seriously to the point where that was the ultimate goal.
Where you heard "Stop all Muslim immigration" they heard, we're going to call the terrorists what they are and push back against it. I'm not saying that was the right view to have, but I don't know a single Trump supporter (I'm from Iowa, there are a lot) who really hates (insert marginalized group here).
I know a lot of Trump supporters who didn't even endorse him, they just wanted the Supreme Court to stay conservative. Just like with every story the crazies on either side control the discourse.
Member when Trump supporters were saying he wasn't serious? I member.
possiblylefthanded ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just as bad. If you can't believe anything your presidential candidate says isn't hyperbole, why would you trust them to do anything?
JustAGuyCMV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, you still don't get it.
The people trust him to do those things, just without being that brash. Instead of a wall it might be a secure border patrol agency.
Also, most of the people I know, regardless of political affiliation, begrudgingly took themselves to the polls and voted for their candidate. I don't know many people in my county in Iowa who were really enthused about Trump, but they just hated Hillary more.
Which is also a valid reason.
ChiefFireTooth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only sentence that is needed to explain Trump's victory.
Bizarre explanations about him having a mind connection with his voters where "they understood what he meant" (when the man himself doesn't even understand what he's saying most of the time) are every bit as convoluted as they are unnecessary.
JustAGuyCMV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you take everything everyone says completely seriously?
Do you think they literally think we are going to "bomb the shit out of them?"
Seriously, you act like it is god damn black and white all the time.
possiblylefthanded ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you don't get it. you're assuming what he says is not what he wants. For some reason. You're assuming that that's a good thing.
Irrelevant to either of our points.
JustAGuyCMV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire point is that you take him completely literally when he says this stuff. His supporters take him seriously. There is a difference.
possiblylefthanded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if your idea of taking someone seriously is to ignore what they say in favor of what you think they're saying or what you want to believe they mean.
you're acting like the difference is what he might realistically accomplish vs what he wants to accomplish when my point is that if you can't trust his past actions or his words, what insane basis are you using to predict him?
FlashFire729 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You almost say that as if it was the first time in the history of humanity
thelamestofall ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:56:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly in politics it's always like that, isn't it? Even things you hold as rational can have a huge emotional and irrational component. IMO it was just less subtle this time
riko_rikochet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling this election "less subtle" might just prove to be the understatement of the century.
thelamestofall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
haha, too true
But frankly, I see having this out in the open as the bright side of all this. "Best disinfectant is the sunlight" and all that.
badgyalal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:30:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a huge generalization of Trump voters. I know many of whom researched his policies despite the media's distortions, exaggerations and embellishments, and supported them. You can't paint half the country with the same brush and say they're only swayed by extreme rhetoric.
riko_rikochet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I, unfortunately, know many who hold deeply racist, homophobic and sexist beliefs, and based their vote on theories like Clinton is a murderer, Satan worshiper, and rapist.
And I also have been trying to unravel and research Trump's policies, and so far, I'm not seeing anything beneficial to middle class Americans, small business owners, the working poor, anyone other than large businesses really.
badgyalal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm sorry that you have people in your life who hold those discriminatory beliefs. To be frank I don't care about your opinion on his policies, that's irrelevant. You're dismissing half of American voters as being uninformed about his policies, or disregarding his policies, just because you don't agree with them. This just perpetuates the divide and animosity between liberals and conservatives.
TastyBrainMeats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if you meant that to be reassuring, but it's not.
badgyalal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only pointed out the gross generalization that all Trump supporters responded to "insanity" and not his policies. This only facilitates the divide between liberals and conservatives. Everyone had reasons behind their casted vote, many of which who were very informed, and who were not racist/misogynistic/xenophobic etc.
Count_Zrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what happens when people feel a sense of desperation and hopelessness. They'll use any tool they can to jam up the machine. Trump just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
KremlinGremlin82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe they were tired of being played by Obama? I'm a legal immigrant and am tired of people sneaking in with their 5 kids each and living on my dime while it took us tons of effort, going to interviews, etc to become Americans.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true
profkinera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've talked to tons of Trump supporters and many of them honestly think of him as a secret democrat. I think (and hope) that the more diehard fans get a rude awakening come January
Carpet-Monster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems to me that the best way to get what you want is to yell really loud. There will be people who agree with you no matter what you say, as long as you're the loudest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a thing called the mere exposure effect. You tend to trust things you've been exposed to before.
modembutterfly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't say much for our country, does it. ?
mandym347 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a reality tv show; everyone likes to root for a jerk because a jerk can break social mores and get away with it, something people secretly (or not) envy. It's why we like characters like House and Archer.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it's good marketing
abdomino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't help but admire that.
Carroteer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A damn fiddle?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is that a reference to? I'm presque vouz-ing real hard right now.
Carroteer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Metal Gear Solid V. The actor who plays Miller totally overacts and belts out his line "They played us like a damn fiddle!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, that makes sense.
_GameSHARK ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:30:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could argue the RNC played the country like a fiddle, riding on Trump's coattails.
MonkeyMan0230 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That part of you would be right
tittoast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:34:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read his book "Crippled America" or even "Art of The Deal".
He states in the former, "there's ten boring guys on a stage- how do you stand out? Shock."
Hell, the wall is taken directly from art of the deal. "We are building a wall, mexico will pay for it" everyone's so riled up over the making Mexico pay for it part, no one doubts the wall, its accepted as fact. First lesson of the art of the deal.
Skias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I think too. I can imagine planning a strategy against Hillary who has a reputation as a cheater, the next best thing he could do was say extreme things to rally the extreme right to his side. Then just do what he wants after he wins. I think Trump identifying as a democrat especially backs this theory. His family has shown open hatred for the KKK. I don't think extremists have caught on that he might not like them as much as they think.
david2278 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. He had to play the part people wanted to see. I think you're going to see a difference in the way he acts now that the election is over. Hopefully we'll see more of this Donald Trump.
MrMytie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, come January he is no longer Donald Trump, he is the president. He cannot get away with saying the things he said when that happens. He also cannot do what wants. It will be interesting to see him fulfil that character.
fbibmacklin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of what he did during the campaign was an act. . .but then the cabinet that he is putting together sounds a bit horrific, so far.
Alortania ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he wouldn't
They even said at one point Hilary hoped the other guy would get the nomination; She (let's be real, her campaign staff) knew the normal playbook inside and out. There's no playbook to counter a Trump candidate.
Ponyboy-Curtis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran in the past and no one took him seriously.
Mean_Mister_Mustard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not. If the elections came down to issues and who had the best plan to meet them, Trump would have gotten obliterated. Donald Trump is not a politician, has no experience, and as such had no hope to compete with Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich and the like - to say nothing of Hillary Clinton.
So Trump instead concentrated on an aspect where he did have an advantage over his opponents: emotions. Trump could inspire reactions in people - positive or negative - in a way that none of his opponents could (except maybe for Clinton, but unfortunately for her, the strong emotions she inspired were mostly negative ones). So Trump stayed as far away from the issues as he could and focused on getting reactions from people. And now, he's President-elect.
FlashFire729 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is the problem that has always plagued modern society: negative news and conflict sells.
To make a non-television example, would people rather read an encyclopedia/dictionary or a story with conflict?
MrMytie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fear is a great motivation for change. What would more likely get people to listen d take action? "ISIS are going to kill you and Mexicans are gonna rape you" or "your family is safe and you have a decent job, plus Friends is on in an hour."
subbookkeepper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:15:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
which is why hillary played up the Trump is hitler angle.
Now we are left with a bunch of morons who now believe the President is hitler.
MrMytie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully, the government is set up in a way where that can't happen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:54:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Evidence in point, Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders
deityblade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire point of Trump is that he isn't a politician (the stereotype, at least). People are sick of politicians.
Mikulak25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the fact that he has no government experience, acting the same as the other guys would've just made him Fiorina I guess
TexWonderwood ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 21:41:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watching the 60 Minutes Interview as President-elect he said something about being a naturally somber person and that being like that is a lot easier for him than being an loud and exaggerated person.
My first thought was, oh so you can do everything. But now it's more like, oh yeah you are a man playing the character of Donald Trump.
RaiderDamus ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:11:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is a WWE Hall of Famer. Everything he does is in character to achieve a goal, just like a professional wrestler.
mrsuns10 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:28:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He kicked McMahon's ass
westernmail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a reality TV star. You have to admire his acting talent.
ArarisValerian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:28:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a gameshow host!
dashard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he said that he was a naturally sober person.
Worth clarifying, as they're pretty different meanings.
TexWonderwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are right. That changes my interpretation quite a bit.
BukkRogerrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like anyone who didn't pick up on this right away, at the beginning of the election, was really, really, obtuse or out of touch. It was pretty apparent from day one that he was playing a character, and all sincerity was stored away.
SeanStormEh ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 21:25:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For far less money spent, which gave him another talking point. I got x results by spending y, look at candidate z over there spending so much money and getting no results. He even used that argument to knock a candidate or two out in the primary if I remember correctly
75Zack75 ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 21:36:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most notably Jeb Bush. Jeb had money similar to Hillary Clinton in the primary. This would've likely been a Bush vs. Clinton election if it weren't for Trump coming in and turning the election on its head.
Deplorable_Basket ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:24:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they wanted, Bush and Clinton were interchangeable as far as the global elites were concerned.
BlindfoldedNinja ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:09:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure you're all bots, but you have a point.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:18:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because clearly no one voted for him, right? ;-)
Seriously though, I'm still surprised when others are surprised Trump has lots of supporters, and they use the internet too.
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BlindfoldedNinja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I'm starting to think all Americans are Phillip K Dick characters.
75Zack75 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:31:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reply was not good for my current existential crisis.
VicisSubsisto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, everyone on reddit is a bot except you.
Not_really_Spartacus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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_Caek_ ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:36:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of hose candidates he knocked out with that was Jeb Bush I believe.
scotchirish ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:50:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Jeb had spent about $84 million in advertising when he dropped out in February. Trump had spent about $400 thousand (at that point).
http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/compare/46-70/Jeb-Bush-vs-Donald-Trump
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:21:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you could say he was under budget and ahead of schedule somehow
cheers_grills ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He has spent 60% less money.
VicisSubsisto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty far.
Qel_Hoth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:45:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also suspected this, and his speech after he won pretty much confirmed it for me. That was not the same person I had watched in the previous year's primaries and debates.
Slothmaster222 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:47:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5D underwater hearthstone man come on.
porncrank ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:56:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really did work him wonders. I just wish he'd be more vocal in shooting down some of the anti-whatever stuff he stirred up in the process. His 60 minutes interview was a start, but I wish he'd do more.
The_Pudge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There is no such thing as bad publicity."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:55:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this was just some master ploy by Trump then why has he given far right spokesperson, Steve Bannon, a place on his staff?
He's already won, why hasn't he distanced himself from the far right?
JoopTerHeul2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that in itself is really not ok though. Even if the racist, sexist, climate change denying bigot thing was an act, he has still made it okay for people who do really believe these things to act on them. He has legitimized it. I think anyone doing that purely for political gain is no longer a nice guy by default.
eunit8899 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right. He followed a playbook to a T of how to draw attention and generate enthusiasm. Political bias aside it was honest a masterclass of how to weave through our political system.
Hophip101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He thinks in TV ratings.
Urban_animal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think people realized this. He knew being basically insane would captivate people. He's just actually really really smart...
kosh56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not trying to argue with you, but why is he still doing some of that stuff then? He still can't control himself on Twitter. That is Trump, not candidate Trump.
Oh, and if the Dems had put up someone remotely likeable there is a good chance he would have been beaten badly.
MetalRetsam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like he's grown quieter since he won the election. I think you're spot on.
amaxen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in some ways he reminded me at times of playing the 'heel' in professional wrestling. He has a long association with that group as I understand it.
lilhurt38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that everything he did was deliberate. That's why I think he's probably a sociopath. You can't pull off an act like that without constantly being aware of how your perceived and controlling every interaction to ensure that that's how you're perceived. That makes you a sociopath. Normal people aren't capable of having that much control in their interactions with others. Normal people aren't able to fake a whole persona like that for months.
droppinkn0wledge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, I think it's the exact opposite. I think he simply lacks any semblance of political tact, hence the litany of ridiculous quotes.
When his team realized it was working, they jumped on it, and their primary advice to Trump thereafter was, "just be yourself!"
That's also why I don't think he's maliciously racist. He's just a dope. He surrounded himself with maliciously racist people (like Bannon) because no one else would touch him. And now he's just rewarding their loyalty.
Disastrous, sure, but I think people are giving Trump and his team far too much credit. I don't think there was ever much foresight in his campaign.
Deplorable_Basket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He literally wrote a book, 29 years ago, about the tactics he used to win the election.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really, was there a chapter in there about revealing that you sexual assault women? What was the strategy behind having your staff taking control of your twitter account because you seemingly can be trusted with it?
Were all these apparent mistakes just to lull us into a false sense of security?
Blobbybluebland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Muh mistakes"
He just won by spending half the money Hillary did.
Deplorable_Basket ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:54:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daily reminder that their is literally no credible proof of sexual assault or taking staff taking control of his twitter.
> mistakes
You misspelled billions in free media.
Show some respect for your next president.
Blobbybluebland ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:28:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Maliciously racist people (like Bannon)"
Blatant and unsubstantiated slander.
droppinkn0wledge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:27:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The word you're looking for is libel, actually. And come on; even the most ardent Trump supporters have raised an eyebrow at the Bannon appointment.
Flynamic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I also thought about. If he is Putin's puppet (which so far should be obvious), then he is probably played by his loyal Republicans as well. It's all about power, except for Trump himself. For him, it's his ego, or the belief he can get anything he wants.
temalyen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is partly due to the DNC. They made arrangements for him to get extra media time, with the hopes of him becoming the GOP candidate. They were figuring Hillary would win in a landslide against him. No, didn't quite work out that way.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC aren't in charge of the media. He got more coverage than other candidates because he kept saying outrageous things.
chasmccl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he got more coverage than any other candidate because everyone in America was watching whenever the media ran stories on him. Viewership is money for them. Donald Trump sold, and we were the ones buying it. It wasn't a conspiracy. The truth is we got what we voted for with our dollars...
mashington14 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:52:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that include the time 11 years ago when he bragged about sexually assaulting people when he didn't know he was being reported?
mynameispaulsimon ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:33:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read The Art Of The Deal, he's practically Sun Tzu mixed with Conan The Barbarian when he's in business mode, as the referential title would suggest. If there's something he wants he'll do whatever it takes to get it, and have the weeping families of his vanquished foes paraded before him.
Flynamic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:37:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, I actually wanted to order that book today along with a cap as a joke present.
Talk_with_a_lithp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:03:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it's a good book. There's a reason why it was (and still is?) a bestseller. It's genuinely insightful, if a bit goofy to read after the events of the election.
Swimmingindiamonds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:04:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really thought most everyone knew that he did NOT write the book... or had much to do with it (as in sharing his wisdom, knowledge, etc.) Whatever you are impressed by in the book, it isn't Trump.
Reddit_beard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read interviews with his ghostwriter. It's a fluff piece.
mynameispaulsimon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:13:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet he as a political hobbyist managed to capture the highest office of the land. Obviously had nothing to do with his relentless, vicious, total war campaign against Hillary. Obviously TAOTD is guff, right?
Reddit_beard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:17:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...populism. I mean you can actually go read the interview with the ghost writer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Reddit_beard ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean exactly what I said. The Art of the Deal is a fluff piece.
cml0401 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:08:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally think he had a game plan for Hillary. It was a crazy contest...
kyew ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 21:10:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It must have been a large amount of controlled chaos. Don't lose track of how he played the media like a fiddle for over a year.
Teuthex ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:18:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty, it seems half and half clever plans and poor impulse control.
pecuchet ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:32:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's hard to believe all this was orchestrated; a good deal of this must have been luck.
ProspectiveQuant ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:50:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like working hard to build skills right? Say learning to code. It's not like once you learn C++ you instantly get hired by Facebook, but rather than you start putting yourself in more situations with the right background to end up landing software engineering positions, until after a series of "accidents" you end up working for Facebook (or whatever goal you might have).
Who can control 100% of everything around them?
_Uncle_Touchy_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word. I can't even control my farts all the time.
pecuchet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, he did things to maximise his chances and so that when opportunities arose he could take advantage, but there are some things, like if The Democratic Party colluded against the candidate who could have beaten Trump, that he had no control over, barring some sort of super-conspiracy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Facebook would hire me if I bragged about sexual assault during the interview. Unfortunately the American public are not as discerning as Facebook's HR department.
ProspectiveQuant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goldman Sachs probably would though... your point is a non sequitor from what I was saying though.
mrzablinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With all due respect, I feel like the media played themselves a lot more then trump.
IwantBreakfast ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:46:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Public position: pompous, arrogant cheeto. Private position: boss who actually goes out of his way to show even the little guys his appreciation for their efforts
ProspectiveQuant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He literally wrote in his books that creating abrasive public personae to garner attention is a highly effective branding tool... his win seems to indicate that he was correct.
stellacampus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he should do a TV show where he plays this hard ass CEO who grills potential job candidates and then yells "You're Fired!" at the losers?
ProspectiveQuant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, interesting idea. I'm sure some TV exec might propose it at some point. Could he be on the show while being POTUS?
mapere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:20:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also think Hillary really did bring out an anger in him. I think he felt like she shouldn't even be able to run. The fact that she could have easily won bothered him to no end.
jaguarsharks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:46:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree with him on most things, and he's said some stupid stuff, but I'm willing to bet that if almost anyone else were in his position, born into riches, inherited an empire, had everything in life handed to them on a silver platter and eventually became the President of the United States, the most powerful person in the world, I'm willing to bet that if almost anyone else had lived a life that privileged they would be a way bigger asshole.
For someone who has lived a life so disconnected from the real world I'm always surprised when I watch old interviews with him and from the stories in this thread as well at how down to earth and genuinely quite friendly he seems in real life. Perhaps he's had a lot of training but I hope that he's a good person at heart and believes that what he's doing is for the greater good, even if he is completely wrong about a lot of stuff.
iushciuweiush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His father was well off when Trump was a kid but he was still only building middle income housing. He wasn't building multimillion dollar projects at the time.
jaguarsharks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alright but my point is it's hard not to be obnoxious when, everything you've ever wanted or dreamed about, you got it. Made billions of dollars as a businessman and own multiple hotels, resorts and real estate? Check. Become a worldwide celebrity and TV personality? Check. Banged countless models and smokin hot chicks? Check. Become the president of the most powerful country in the world? Check. I'm surprised his ego isn't bigger than Kanye's and Justin Bieber's combined.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because someone is born into wealth doesn't mean they're disconnected from reality. You're painting him like some dumb millionaire playboy, which isn't the case at all here.
jack_skellington ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In his book about it, apparently Trump flat-out says that he intended to say controversial shit in order to stand out during the debates.
I haven't read the book. I don't know if that is true. I'm only repeating what I seen mentioned 3x now on Reddit.
ZoqY ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the interview with Trump's butler. Basically, he says Trump is one of the most generous people he knows, he just has high standards for things and doesn't care about what he says. After a while you realize Trump only says certain things that sound harsh, but he doesn't personally think it is harsh.
Erodos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Kanye method. Ye's also supposed to be a really nice guy in private
Aberdeen_MIke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about his very public horrible business practices?
murphykp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At what point does this actually make a person an asshole, though? If he's being disingenuous about who he really is in public, he's alienating a fucking ton of very frightened Americans in doing so.
If his base thinks "Aw shucks, he's a nice guy, he's just doing this as an act!" then there's no harm in dropping it at this point, is there?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever seen any of the Ironman movies and cheered for Tony Stark?
murphykp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Donald Trump is no Tony Stark. Tony Stark is a character in a movie who does superhero stuff, like saving the world. Donald Trump is a real man, who is now (arguably) one of the most powerful men on the planet. His words actually have impact. He should be careful to watch them more closely.
That said, if we're fantasizing about Trump as a MARVEL character, Trump is more like a Justin Hammer. Or maybe a less impressive Kingpin.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you completely overanalyzed the point.
BitchCuntMcNiggerFag ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:14:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to think this about assholes. That they were assholes only for show. I've come to realize that most assholes are just assholes by nature. Everyone has their occasional nice moments. Doesn't make them any less of an asshole. Even Hitler had a nice moment here and there when he wasn't genociding his way through Europe (yes, Godwin's law, i know)
Flynamic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:22:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or he is only nice to people "in person", and when he speaks at rallies or rants on Twitter, he does not care or know about the consequences of his words and actions. An asshole who wants to be good with his audience only.
BitchCuntMcNiggerFag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:00:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could this be due to him not having backbone? I mean, I know a handful of people who are just afraid of being mean to someone's face despite being big shit talkers
ThatOneChappy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
''he seems fun and interesting''
in the ''an embodiment of scary right wing resurgence in the US'' kind of way
Blobbybluebland ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(he says with no sense of irony as the left burns cities in America for a week straight)
PhasmaFelis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is going to be hilarious if he turns out to be a hard-left socialist, or even just an absurdist troll, who figured out that he could ride the Angry White Bigot vote into office and then do whatever the hell he pleased for four years.
I don't really expect it, but it would be hilarious.
Tbkiah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a little bit him being a bit arrogant added to the fact the media wants to demonize him. They show everything bad and don't report on the good.
Leaves_Swype_Typos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a reason we tend to focus on the worst things people do and say, because it says the most about them. Chris Brown, Mel Gibson, Anthony Weiner, Larry Craig, John Edwards, and so on, all had plenty of positive interactions with people too.
It's a fact that Trump stiffed charities and lied about it; that's a bit more important than the news that he doesn't spit on poors. Also, you should realize that none of the stories presented here have been vetted/researched or proven in the same way those many 'demonizing' news stories were.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When has he presented himself as an asshole? Genuine question, non-US citizen here. Just seems like he says some things some people disagree with (building a wall, etc.) Has he actually said anything dickhead-ish during his campaigning speeches?
VaussDutan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think hes a bulldog when hes in a fight. Other than that, he listens, cares and wants the best for people.
roflzzzzinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read "making America great again". Everything he did in his campaign was described along with the reasoning behind it. You're right, it was to get attention
FauxReal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only actual assholes didn't see it as validation.
ifistbadgers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton's campaign blew 20 million dollars to own /r/politics for a few months during the election cycle, so the well is sort of poisoned.
chinpopocortez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's very refreshing to read the word "Trump" in a sentence that does not include the words "racist" and "misogynist".
ChiefFireTooth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do have to ask yourself: would he have won the Rebublican nomination if he had come in with the "nice guy" act?
Willzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ignore the clickbait title but this video shows how he acted before running for president. I'm assuming he puts on a front and didn't suddenly change a year ago.
Aberdeen_MIke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bear in mind that during the construction of the golf course mentioned, he tried to force a family out of their home by putting fences and plants around their property and interfering with their water and electricity supplies.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he also sexually assualts people. But yeah, he seems cool apart form that.
Flynamic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. But we can't be mad at him for that forever! He's the president after all!
great, I threw up in my mouth again.
ROK247 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
plus the opposition multiplying everything 1000x
vhiran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Much of America admires the idea of a macho unhinged old school tough guy, pretty sure that was what he was going for.
Alortania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents binge-watch Fox news, and it's on at dinner, so I can't cite the source more specifically than "on fox news once"
I actually heard this host explain how the media should really read his book from way back when, because his entire run (it was primaries still) was straight out of that book. ANY media attention is good attention, even negative. He basically knows how to play the game, which he outlined in his book, and did just that to get elected.
I really don't think a guy that actually behaves and thinks like he acts on TV would have gotten to where he has.
Bayerrc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he's a fucking asshole. Don't let your guard down, he is a terrible person. Donald Trump is the 324th richest human being on Earth, and he donates nothing to anyone. He takes and takes and gives nothing back. He doesn't help the poor, or the dying, or anyone else for that matter.
BeautifulKyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know what you mean. But he has done things in the past that literally prove he's a dick head so I'm not sure that's the case.
Kinoblau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is fucking nuts. What about him bragging about sexual assault and then all the women who came forward about his sexual assault?? He's a nice guy my fucking ass, all these stories are about either people in positions similar to Donald or about people he is giving money to in some way.
This is so fucking wild. I feel like I'm watching Fallon rub his fucking head again. You know this man just appointed a fucking anti-semite white supremacist as his top advisor right?? The fucking architect of the wild illegal stop and frisk and recipient of actual terrorist money is in the running for Secretary of State.
Flynamic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know. While I want to like Trump as a person, I can't for exactly these reasons. It's just important to try to look into people and maybe understand their motivations. And this thread has shown exactly why so many people like and admire Trump - it's how humans work, feelings over facts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media doesn't exactly help there.
Workaphobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be a great theory if only he didn't assault women in his spare time. That's not something you fake for the sake of the camera.
Lord_Of_Shits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Kayne method.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy broke down the psychology behind his decision making (he's not a Trump supporter, but bet on him to win). It really makes sense:
https://youtu.be/LibRNYJmZ-I
Flynamic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent video, especially the part of Hillary failing to counter the establishment accusations properly sums up the mismanagement of her campaign and the massive success of his.
diff2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the media that presents him that way, not himself. It's very easy to seem like an asshole if you have someone asking you aggressive questions to try and get you to slip up and make a big deal about how you answered them after you slipped up.
The best advice I can offer is if you want to experience this yourself is try to get into a heated argument with two or more people about anything. You need someone else to confirm what one of the persons believe to be true. That's why two is necessary. Group think logic, it makes it easier to seem to be the asshole when group think logic works against you.
Mortimier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media sure doesn't help
himit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This pretty much sums up my feelings, too.
Dr_Edge_ATX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't try to normalize too much. Even Hitler had Blondi
scorpionjacket ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, if you present yourself as an asshole in public, that makes you an asshole.
Flynamic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. This reminds me of Bojack Horseman:
Maria-Stryker ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:45:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being in /r/politics has been giving me straight up anxiety, if it's this side of him that comes through and he drops some of his rumored appointees (Bannon and Prece and Guliani) then I'll be able to sleep at night. Them and his rumored SCOTUS choices...
mrsuns10 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:28:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The people in politics are straight up suggesting treason, they hate Trump that bad
Buzzard_Beater ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:52:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately they are powerless twats, most of whom are too young or too scared to even exercise their voting power.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 22:00:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/politics is having an aneurysm reading this thread
oldster59 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm serious when I say these Russians have very good English skills
OwnagePwnage123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:52:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The election caused both candidates to say some stupid shit. Trump isn't a rapist, hillarys campaign was quite agressive against the old guy. (Not that Hillary is any younger) Trump is a pretty compassionate guy in person. I think he will be a good fit for our society and can do well with some help.
VaussDutan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:24:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of the pollsters also got everything wrong. The message from the mainstream media was massively biased against him. People were told all sorts of means things about him. Rising reddit posts on /all that were pro trump disappeared. Posts in /the_donald would not make it to the front page. Trending pro Trump Twitter #'s were nuked and replaced with other #'s.
Question all of the sources of information that don't seem line up with what seems to be the reality and ask why are those people not getting their stories right.
Now we are hearing about Facebook and Google not wanting "fake news" and doing things to supress what THEY determine is "fake news". Holy control the narrative batman. Would you like someone else to determine what is BS and what isn't? Well Twitter and Facebook are big sources of info and they seem to want to get into the parsing game with what they think is relevant and not relevant to you.
ThreesomePuma98 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:08:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a nice thread of him. Thanks to all for sharing. I am a fan of Trump and expected the worse when I opened this. There is a good short article about him in People magazine this week for anyone interested.
arcanascu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to read it if you don't mind linking it.
ThreesomePuma98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All right. I will try to figure out how to tomorrow.
armorandsword ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Check out his interviews from shows like Letterman dating back to the 80s. Unless I'm just gullible, he always came across as affable, funny and very intelligent/knowledgable. He even seemed relatively humble given his background and wealth and bashfully laughed off any mention of his fortune. In the more recent years he started getting a little more...unhinged... talking about "scrubbing coal" etc. but I couldn't help but like him in the earlier years.
Johnnygunnz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:17:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Look, there is propaganda on each side. I can't stand so, so many things about what he stands for, but I'm certain he's not the devil. In fact, Trump and the Clinton's were very friendly at one point. Maybe not friends, but friendly.
The problem with today's society is that a) misinformation runs rampant. B) we live in our own little echo chambers where we can tune out the news we don't want and completely surround ourselves with what we WANT to see. C) there is very little middle ground these days. Your choices are one extreme or the other. If you want a middle ground, you're seen as indecisive and weak. And 4) people immediately accept what they're presented without taking the time to do any digging into what is being presented to them. Whether any of it is true or more of the unlimited propaganda and lies created by the millions of available websites.
I can't stand the man, but he probably falls somewhere between the devil and an angel.
TacosAreJustice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:26:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. I've played golf with one of his childhood friends... He described trump as the most arrogant guy in the world? There are a ton of stories about him in both directions.
I choose to belong he is who he has said he is over the past fifteen months. If nothing else, he's fanned the flames of racism.
My concern with him is more how easily baited he is... I think it opens our country up to another terrorist attack and gives the Republicans an excuse to go even more conservative than they did with nine eleven.
He might be fine, though. I don't know him or what he plans to do. His transition and tweets since winning have not impressive me.
Kyoraki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't. Trust. The. Media.
People should have learned this after Bernie went through the exact same treatment to prop Hillary up.
the1who_ringsthebell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a nice documentary about Romney after the 2012 election that was on netflix. After watching it it really made me think about media, and the portrayals of people as Romney was not painted very kindly during that election.
mudsling3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Im diggin it!
Darathin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My worry it's that he is nice, well-intended...., and believes every headline he sees on social media. Sure, your grandmother/grandfather might be our have been wonderful people, but age and fear-driven belief also leads them to believe and say hateful and harmful things. Difference is, Trump now has power to act on it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC he was Time Person of the Year runner up two years ago.
Metaphoricalsimile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sort by controversial and you'll get some critical stories.
hopelesspostdoc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of impressive to only hear good stories. And furthermore fascinating that these stories paint such a different picture than what people who've worked with Hillary have said about her.
joeysuf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's politics, he had to appeal to the extreme right to get a nomination. Even then, he was going to run third party which would've split the party horribly. So just because the media paints him in a negative light, doesn't necessarily mean he's a horrible person.
hillbillysam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I expected half of the responses to be, "He's a horrible pompous douche," and the other have to be, "He's an angel sent down from above." So I'm surprised that it's all been positive so far, but I still have quite a bit of scrolling to do yet.
kittycuddler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:26:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch old interviews from late 80s early 90s. He was a soft spoken gentle dude who really seemed to care about poor people in the inner cities. Everyone freaking out really should watch them and take a bit of a chill pill.
Benblishem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single story I've heard or read (almost all of them post-election) describe him as an unusually personable guy who goes out of his way to make sure people know their work is appreciated. And it seems he does with people who's jobs are at every level, and always has. It wasn't just for show during the race.
mashington14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the time when he bragged about sexually assaulting people. It's possible to be nice or polite to people and still be a completely shitty person.
notkoreytaube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i dont wholly agree with him, and will admit that he got kind of rambunctious in the debate, but that made me like him more. it was nice to see someone who at least tried to seem as if they were passionate about the issues they were discussing. Good president, or bad president, one thing for sure, Trump loves America.
BertrandSnos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:10:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been having the same reaction. It's good to humanize the guy, you know? Sure, I have my doubts about his capabilities as POTUS but I had doubts about Clinton as well, just not as severe. Guess we just need to see where he goes with it.
mordecai_the_human ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He tapped into the anger of the country at the government. Him yelling at Clinton might as well be a huge allegory for the American people giving the middle finger to the government.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but - to be fair - whenever they catch a serial killer the neighbors almost always say 'that's crazy, he always mowed his lawn and seemed like a nice guy.'
JackHarrison1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a theory about this, but it's wishful thinking and completely off the wall. The theory is that Donald Trump is a nice person and he only said all that stuff about minorities/Clinton/Rosie to win votes, and he will abandon a lot of his policies very very quickly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Judging by this thread. He seems pretty polite and laid back for the most part. A bit reserved and likes to pay with exact change.
Pinecone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have time read about all the threads on Reddit about previous encounters with presidents and they are all like this. Obama, Bush, Bill Clinton.... They all say the presidents are just legitimately nice people who are incredibly intelligent and amazing at remembering things about people. You may not like their politics but if you really sit down and have a chat with them their charisma will probably win you over.
This is about how they act off camera of course. On camera is a different story.
evesea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its politics. Its the job of the opposition to completely and utterly destroy the image of the other side. Sometimes its justified, sometimes it's not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't get the impression that he was a maniac from the debates?
"Wrong!" "Such a nasty, nasty woman."
Maweedug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like hitler walking his dog in the woods, or pol pot playing cards with his pals...
hookersandsnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does any of this matter, though? I don't care how nice he is in person if he urges people to beat up protestors at his rallies and he picks a nut job alt-right blowhard as his transition team chief. Everybody here is like "oh yeah he shook my hand and said a nice thing in 2004" but who cares how nice a sociopath is capable of being if they're willing to gaslight half of america in a bid for the presidency?
Avvikke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I admit I didn't do a ton of research going into the election.
If you look up some of the things he's done, the guy seems very gracious, extremely generous and just a very compassionate man. I was really surprised by some of things he's done for people he easily could have ignored. Every worker that's dealt with him has nothing but high praise.
The media definitely painted a terribly inaccurate picture of Mr. Trump.
His kids are also incredibly articulate, intelligent and every bit as generous.
For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNz-Xs0UBZE
ep1939 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Berlusconi was (is) kind of the same.
He's very respectful and thankful to working people wherever he goes.
Dalroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try looking beyond mainstream media and /r/politics and you'd see this.
MaxxBreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That for me was as real as it gets.
Bulby37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His social media was probably the most damaging aspect of the whole thing.
inhuman44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the problem is that you've probably never heard his side of the story. Just about every media outlet was against him, so what you know of him comes from his detractors.
micmea1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the problem with our media and a society wrapped up in it. Trump may have said some shitty things. Hilary made some big errors with her emails. Both of these people are still people. They aren't super villains or demons or (if you look at people like Bernie) super heroes. They are people and people tend to generally be somewhat decent. Most people agreed after G.W Bush got out of office that he was a nice enough guy, just supported policies they didn't agree with.
Trump has a media persona that is likely very different from his personal life. People come to threads like this expecting to see him kicking puppies and raping women.
CupcakeValkyrie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's important to remember that Trump is a performer, so it can be difficult to determine how much of that insane maniac you see on screen is the real him and how much of it is (pun intended) Trumped up for ratings.
east_coast_and_toast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and that's why it's called propaganda
PretendingToProgram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because liberals are idiots
DylanTheVillian1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think something that a lot of people don't realize is that what someone says at debates and rallies doesn't necessarily equal how someone really acts, or what they're personality is like.
MakingItWorthit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's mostly just MSM, the politics and news subs being sponsored to support certain narratives.
Swimmingindiamonds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am actually friends with one of his former staff members at Mar-A-Lago. Friend always said Trump was nice and fairly good at remembering/recognizing staff members and saying hello even years after they left. But also that many employees were here illegally. Friend didn't vote for him.
lolatu54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like Trump has his own CTR staff posting on reddit too (disclaimer: I don't actually believe this).
redditortoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Do you even American Psycho?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes it's so incredible that he's polite to strangers. what a great guy.
FuckyesMcHellyeah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone should see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRogXTFtpUc
bumfree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It all sounds like bull shit to me.
Polaritical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The phrase your looking for is "the banality of evil"
tech_0912 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't doubt that there are countless more stories that show how much of a human being he is, but we just don't see them as much as we should.
Rinse-Repeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Neo-lib and Neo-con consensus are working overtime with the hyperbole. I have disliked Trump since the 80s (same with the Clintons) but people are literally referring to his election as our "Krystalnacht". Social media is manipulating people more than they realize.
B0ssc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The public representations of Mr Trump have mellowed noticeably as cognitive dissonance takes effect.
infernal_llamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair he is a brand, being personable is very much his thing.
It's how he got so much support, being (genuinely or not) interested and taking time goes a long way to getting people to like you. So if I where a cynic I would say he makes an effort to come over well all the time.
ChuqTas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this top posts in this thread will feature in the mainstream media in a few days time...
stovinchilton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many of them are made up for the sweet sweet karma?
radicallyhip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually starting to dash my hopes of a Mad-Max style dystopia rising up south of the border. :(
sobrique ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to wonder if that's just some really shrewd gamesmanship. As in - he looks in detail at it, and decided that his 'spouting off and blathering' sort of campaign was by far the best way to avoid getting crucified on 'hard' issues, rather than being a sincere sort of thing.
And if having someone who could sneak into the Whitehouse convincing the world he's a maniac, but actually isn't, would be a net improvement or not.
Sir_Auron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rich, successful people don't get that way by alienating everyone they come across. They are all capable of putting on a good face in public (at least occasionally), no matter how surly or arrogant they may be in private.
Except Chevy Chase, I'm pretty sure he's just the world's biggest asshole.
Palafacemaim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think this goes to show how much control of the media that is used when there is an election.
rvf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, most of the stuff you've seen about him is in relation to business partners and/or rivals, and these stories are about random encounters with anonymous people. Most of the bad stories about Trump are focused on his reaction to criticism. You can be a thin skinned reactionary without also being a raging misanthrope.
wetryagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He painted himself as a maniac! Did you watch any of his speeches on the campaign trail?!
GAGAgadget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to be cordial to someone who viciously slanders you and your family.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both sides portrayed the other as this evil being. People were calling Hillary a witch and shit like that. People called Obama the Anti Christ for the entirety of both his terms. It's pretty common to demonize an opponent, it makes it easier to attack them.
Ramennov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:41 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in the summer I'd read how Trump helped 200 marines stranded at an airport by providing his own private plane. These anecdotes were out there during the election season, albeit not pushed by mainstream news. More than anything Trump's said or done, I feel media were largely to blame for not giving Trump a fair shake.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:20 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never trust corporate-owned media, no matter if they're elevating or denigrating someone. They have an agenda; everything is tainted.
ComesWithTheFall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:56 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody on the Trump Train has been saying this for months. Once you unplug from the mainstream media and the CTR shills at r/politics, it becomes clear.
TOASTEngineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is true that most of the really awful stuff wasn't that awful in context. His policies are atrocious but don't forget that of course he's gonna look like Super Mega Hitler if all your information comes from left-leaning sources. :P
fredemu ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:11:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the things I genuinely like about Trump, fully aside from any policy or politics, is that he seems to genuinely have respect for the "blue collar" people he runs in to on a day to day basis. He seems like the kind of guy that exchanges pleasantries/small talk with his security, drivers, etc, and doesn't treat servers/cashiers/etc like they're "beneath" him.
You can learn a lot about a person by how they treat people they could get away with being an ass to. Trump seems (much like Obama) to be a good person.
thejunipertree ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 04:00:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until he has to pay them.
SluttyPhilosopher ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:32:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds of George W. Bush and how he was hailed as the devil himself back when the Afghan and Iraq war started. Today you can see hes a regular dude that likes to hang out on his ranch.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:00:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a person you could have a beer with does not mean they're a good leader by any metric.
toclosetotheedge ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:36:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bush is responsible for a lot of horrific fucking shit no matter how nice he is as a person.
SluttyPhilosopher ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:20:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im talking about the way hes percieved. Idk maybe I remember it wrong but hating on Bush was popular.
Hust91 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:34:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is still responsible for a... LOT of deaths, however, including those by ISIS.
xereeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was also probably a nice guy in person.
Not that I'm comparing Bush and Trump to Hitler... just saying.
WimpyRanger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:35:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't hailed as the devil when the Iraq war started, he had a historically high approval rating.
G8kpr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's just making culinary schools great again
Eliroo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is how a lot of people feel about President George W. Bush.
_groundcontrol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly dont understand american politics. You are supposed to pick one candidate, then agree with everything they say and hate the other one.
sentfrommyasteroid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most people are of the mindset that being openly racist and sexist and so forth makes you "not a nice guy".
LGBecca ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but all the hateful, inciteful things he's said does.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:29:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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KrabbHD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slept under a rock have you?
DragonMeme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:21:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, my personal experience with people is that nice != Good person. My family would qualify as incredibly "nice" to most people, but they're also racist/sexist/unreasonably religious.
caper1144 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He think he is both.
thecabbler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well look at George W!
thingandstuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:19 on January 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realizing good PR opportunities isn't necessarily the same as being a "nice guy" he is his brand and he tries to maintain it.
I don't say this as a counter-assertion to the claim that he is a nice guy, I just want to remind people that you only really know people when the face adversity of some kind and you see how they handle it and how they treat others during the situation.
foxh8er ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been known not to pay many of the people he contracts out to.
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superattune11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:33:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, like all the people who have sued him for unpaid contracts and all the times he's lost?
thelastdeskontheleft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So no...
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Caststarman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:20:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wake up on the wrong side of bed this morning?
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Caststarman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No but maybe it would change your tone of voice. He was being nice, no quotation marks, to more than just "servants," including random people on the street like that one person who bumped into him while not paying attention.
Pretty much everybody who has actually met him has had a positive experience in this thread. While we shouldn't minimize the bad that he's said, we also should not minimize the good he has done.
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nuclearshockwave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basic courtesy is good and no it doesn't there are people here saying themselves that they don't agree with his policies or the things he's said but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate the guy not being an asshole to others
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wait, this can't be true?
mvsr990 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, what means he can't be a nice guy is systematically discriminating against black renters, raping Ivana Trump, peeping on teenage beauty contestants naked, that sort of thing, before we even get into his campaign.
xteve ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The question then becomes how much it's worth to be a nice guy when you propound hateful ideas and incite racism, homophobia and sexism.
Bayerrc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:23:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being polite to strangers does not make you a nice guy. When you lie about donating money and spread a message of intolerance and racism, it's pretty clear that you are indeed not a nice guy. When you make fun of women for gaining weight and call them miss piggy, when you say you hate having black people touch your money, when you say that laziness is just a trait of black people and they can't help it, when you claim the president couldn't possibly be American because he's a black man, when you go to charity events for sick people for the photo op and never actually donate money to it... The list keeps going like that. In fact, Trump is the least charitable billionaire in America. The man has billions of dollars and doesn't put any of it to anything but himself - and we elected him president thinking he would benefit the world somehow.
PhasmaFelis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:49:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on your definition of "nice." There are serial killers who are very kind to their neighbors. Is he actually planning on doing all the things he promised in the race? I have no idea. I don't think anyone really does.
TThor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:12:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't this the same golf resort where Trump has campaigned strongly against wind energy, because the turbines were near the resort?
jaxxon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A nice guy who sometimes sexually assaults women.
Mortimier ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:37:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God I wish the media saw it that way.
"HE'S NOT FOR OPEN BORDERS WHAT A RACIST REEEEEEEEE"
norulers ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:51:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even murderers pet dogs.
radical_haqer ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:08:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, agreed. Same as Hitler.
KrabbHD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was nice to kids and loved dogs. Hitler also gassed 6 million Jews in extermination camps. But that's his stance on an issue, and we're not judging him by that. Therefore he's nice.
I don't need to point out the sarcasm do i?
KevlarGorilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't everyone just be as nice as Hitler?
sodabutt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:19:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was charismatic and charming in person, by most accounts. People melted around him and felt appreciated and listened to. Seriously.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Hitler also authorised the murders of millions of people and invaded numerous countries in pursuit of German imperialism and Aryan superiority.
Trump wants to protect US industry, reduce terrorism and strengthen the U.S-Mexico border.
Anyone trying to compare the two is a biased, melodramatic prat and virtually anything they say regarding politics should be viewed with healthy skepticism.
mynameispaulsimon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B-but my narrative!
KrabbHD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:04:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump also wants to expand the torture programme, preemptively imprison Muslims (unconstitutional), force the US military to commit war crimes because he's a leader, etc.
Hitler protected German industry and created millions of jobs, lifting the country out of a massive depression and restored German pride.
I mean, I can frame things too. Doesn't make either of them good people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he will do that, I disagree.
But how about we wait to see what he does and then criticise and oppose him instead of jumping at assumptions.
And yes if Hitler had managed to avoid all the war and killing he'd of been a popular and successful leader? I'm not exactly disputing that I'm disputing the other way round.
KrabbHD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:28:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's his platform man. Expect him to do it. If you vote for him, you vote for his platform and America voted for him
cinepro ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:36:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read one of those books where Secret Service agents dish on how past Presidents and First Ladies treat them. Some are great (Ronald Reagan and the Obamas), some not so great (Nancy Reagan and Hillary Clinton). It was good to see Trump's acceptance speech where he specifically thanked the Secret Service.
Sawses ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:59:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've learned that, if there's one thing that's always worth the effort, it's being nice to people 'beneath' you. It requires almost no time or effort, no money at all, and can entirely change how everyone sees you. I can imagine that for a public figure, that benefit increases a hundredfold.
BraveSquirrel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:41:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda fits in with his giving props to his Secret Service peeps in his victory speech.
ifistbadgers ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:49:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear tons of stuff like this from people in New York. that if you do something for him and do a good job, he will tell you.
Nope07 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:15:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude maybe google some things about him. Hes done some really nice and good things.
daredaki-sama ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:11:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is kind of like how you can't judge Gordon Ramsey based on his public persona.
aeiluindae ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:52:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've also heard some very negative things about that golf course project, stuff like greatly exaggerating the benefits to the community, lying about hiring locally, shady tactics to get land for it, and the like. Assuming those are true, that would seem to outweigh him being kind to the caterers (which can easily come from a place of pure self-interest and is fairly minor in the grand scheme of things).
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:27:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
during the election he went out if his way to personally thank the cops and escorting him through all the cities he visited.
Mrludy85 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:30:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He always makes it a point to thank people. On the campaign trail he would always go off to shake the hands of police officers and random people assigned to helping him out during his stay in the city
oposssom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:40:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude who ran his campaign on working class issues might actually like and respect working class people. Who'd have thunk it.
Goasupreme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:26:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quite a few times he went and talked to the people who couldn't make it into the rallies (overflow crowd?)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were a lot of instances during the campaign of Mr. Trump going out of his way to thank the security, caterers, staff members, etc. You just probably didn't hear about it much because 1) most of the time Trump did these acts off camera (which in my mind makes the gesture more genuine) and 2) because most of the news media was on a 24/7 Trump bash.
Officer_Coldhonkey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:39:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's stories of him tipping members of his landscaping crew 100 dollars a piece. Going into kitchens at restaurants and handing out 100 dollar bills. Giving large sums of money to people who perform heroic deeds like 25 grand to some guy who pulled a man off the subway tracks in NYC.
I don't know when he became such a monster. He donated 25 grand to an inner city basketball program after their founder was killed in 9/11. He worked closely with Jessie Jackson and his Rainbow coalition, won the medal of honor from the Ellis Island Committee along with Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks..
But now.. He's a completely despicable hateful racist who by the way, rapes 13 year old girls.
fatlazar123 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:23:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media is playing you to paint that picture as him being a devil
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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fatlazar123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:54:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of which is taken out of context. They always use certain soundbites to make him sound like a racist/sexist/xenophobe. Check this video for an example of how the media plays the audience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMsVPKL1daA
Smiddy621 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Op didn't say if he was hosting at the resort, but if he was it's being a good host and owner to thank the staff. Just because you own the place doesn't mean you're above the staff. He knows HOW to be nice to those that do well for him.
minerlj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if i went to a cookery college, EVERYONE I meet there would be catering staff....
and if I was a catering student, and was doing catering for some people coming to the school, I'd make damn sure I was there to meet with them... for networking reasons
KorgDTR2000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:38:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has a reputation for going out of his way to mingle with the lower rungs of his staff. It played a big part in endearing him to the working class during the election.
LX_Theo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't assume so much on motivations. Many ways that could end up like that.
alexandrgrahambear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He heard there was dressing in there, but it wasn't the kind he thought.
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There have been a bunch of people who have worked in the restaurants Trump owns in his tower who've said he sometimes came into the kitchen and just started handing everyone $100.
FormalChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've seen and heard from interviewers, he is actually a decent guy.... The campaign act was just that, an act. He was on TV, he is a fucking actor.
ThePublikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's good business.
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think coz he doesn't drink it do drugs he's always in the present while others are drinking and whatever .. so he knows how to be a good showman and knows what people want and how to treat people . I also think when he's being a dick he knows it and does it with a purpose , like the campaign .. he fights hard .. I enjoyed watching him on celebrity apprentice . He's very entertaining
jpropaganda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rumor has it on job sites he's very good about speaking to the actual physical workers and thanking them.
Crimson_Shiroe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Trump can seem like a bad guy sometimes but from the replies I've read here he's actually a pretty nice person.
cheezzzeburgers9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you ask people who have been on his TV show The Apprentice they say this is a completely normal thing for him to do. Apparently he showed gratitude to everyone who worked on the show.
notostracan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was trying to make up for his bad reputation here? Trump has had conflict with the Scottish government and much bad press here (he opposed wind turbines being built near his golf course and made economic threats to Scotland).
DominarRygelThe16th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It matches well with this video that was released a week or so ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm8n9qVIK_8
CorsarioNero ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably looking for something to grab
AK_Happy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yawn.
ArtifexR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing I don't get is, if all this is true and he goes out of his way to be nice, isn't it killing him inside to support white supremacists, misogynists, and evolution deniers, and other crazies? Like, I can believe has was doing some acting to get elected. Lots of politicians do. But, man, even the GOP doesn't want Bannon or Giuliani at the helm for major decisions.
Magister_Ingenia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then you have Hillary Clinton who doesn't tip.
magenpie ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 21:02:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he treats staff (whether his own or someone else's) well - there was a story in a local paper where they interviewed a bloke who had been a butler on his yacht for a few years in the late '80s - early '90s, and he also said that Trump was always nice and polite with him and all the rest of the staff as well.
Xian9 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:45:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've yet to meet a successful person (executive type) that wasn't very personable. I thought it just went hand in hand.
InHoc12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing you don't get to that point without being personable and likable.
Maybe less true for Trump because he inherited so much, but he still has to retain employees and gain contracts and make deals etc.
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MightyG2 ยท 261 points ยท Posted at 20:28:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm reminded of how you can tell a lot about people by the way they treat wait staff at a restaurant (or other services). By that test, sounds like Trump is a pretty damn nice and respectful guy.
SirNoName ยท 238 points ยท Posted at 20:31:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the reports from his White House visit painted him as such. Not to get too political, but his campaign was run on appealing to the angry and frustrated, so he adapted his personality to match. He's probably fairly polite and reasonable in personal conversations.
JustSomeBadAdvice ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 20:52:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he really just fucking troll all of America?
Stormray117 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:13:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really troll, it was strategy. People are a mess without common goals and so he pointed out adversaries to rally against and boy was it a hype train.
[deleted] ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 21:04:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No that was the media.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they showed videos of him talking. Those nasty rigged media trolls.
Jive_Bob ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 21:29:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many out of context, edited, sensationalized, etc...
Sw3Et ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:32:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump says that women should be punished for having abortions"
What a load of crap.
diddly ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 21:43:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If it were illegal." Weird how that part always gets left out.
capitolsara ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:43:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People still talk about that one and then I feel like the troll for contextualizing it for them sheesh
Flope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump says Mexicans are rapists!!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They just straight-up played his rallies, start to finish, unedited. That's about as unbiased of a presentation as you can get.
Jive_Bob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like this? https://youtu.be/oFZ14u0av3A
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh oh, someone's getting triggered
deuteros ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:52:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He shitposted his way into the White House.
ThePodThatWasPromisd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:01:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. There are still plenty of examples of him being an asshole, he still said he can grab women by the pussy which was of course followed by numerous women coming forward with allegations that he did in fact do that. He still has those issues where he puts women down for their looks any time he is in a conflict. He still barged in on beauty pageant contestants while they were changing. He still has a lot of former employees and contract workers who say he stiffed them and told them to sue him if they didn't like it.
There are still plenty of public and private examples of him being an asshole.
But as they say, I don't believe anyone can be a dick 100% of the time.
ANUSTART942 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:14:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, look at who he's appointing to his cabinet. The shit's about to hit the fan.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:49:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the unsubstantiated "rumors" according to "sources?"
koobear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, fine, his transition team, chief of staff, chief strategist, and vice president.
ANUSTART942 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're aware that putting quotation marks around it doesn't make it any less true, right?
nochinzilch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:32:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only the half that voted for him.
workingtimeaccount ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:40:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just really wants people to like him. This has positives and negatives, though for each individual encounter I'm sure it's an overall positive.
But as a whole, we'll see where it leads.
ifistbadgers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:51:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His Rallies were pretty funny, he would joke with the audience quite a bit and lose his teleprompter line hahaha.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:58:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably a narcissist. Narcissists can be very nice and charming but if you do something to upset them, they lose their fucking shit, which some people have reported Trump doing.
NumNumLobster ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:45:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw some Facebook thing so lord knows if it's true but one of his old drivers talked about how he'd drop him off at meetings and wait in the car. he said it wasn't uncommon to sit there for hours but many times trump would come out and say something like "hey this is going longer than I thought and I don't know when I'll be done. you mind if I have them send out a stake for you so you don't miss a meal?" . I'd true that seems like a nice thing most people wouldn't do
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then there's this entire article showing him being the biggest douche in the world
MightyG2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:57:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think everyone gets that the media hated Trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, please discard all concrete evidence of Trump being unimaginably shitty because "the media hates him".
MightyG2 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:56:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I get it. I'm not saying Trump is a great guy. Lots of other posts are though, posts from real people without going through the filter of a biased and corrupted media. And he could have bad days once in a while where he's a jerk, just like everyone else. But yet another media story maligning the guy in the run up to the election is not "concrete". It's just another hit piece. If you like that crap, then enjoy it. Just don't expect it to sway anyone. Those days are over.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't "yet another hit piece". It's the work of a reporter who heard Trump brag about giving millions to a veteran's charity in January, and discovered that as of May he hadn't given anything. He was then publicly maligned and called a liar, and then started digging on the claim that Trump has given "tens of millions of dollars" to charity. Trump has refused to give any evidence for that, and the reporter has found nothing besides unethical and illegal practices by the Trump Foundation.
This is journalism. Straight-up investigative journalism that showed really really shitty behavior.
Wazula42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that test factor in past claims of sexual assault?
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JohnDalysBAC ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:38:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has been known to be very generous and kind to the working man for many years. That's why these stories are so common and part of why the working class loves him.
BitchCuntMcNiggerFag ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:16:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but why are there also stories of him not paying the working man? Or doing vindictive stuff to people who refused to sell their property to him?
BOOMBUDA ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because the media did not want him president? and try to achieve that premise through hit pieces?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:32:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe, stay with me here, it's because he also does really shitty things. Not everything is some big conspiracy.
aftokinito ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:59:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe, he is a businessman and he doesn't rule his corporate empire alone nor does he micromanage every single aspect of it like it was StarCraft or something.
superattune11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:34:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I bet all those people he's stiffed out of millions of dollars of payments really just loooooooooooove him. Yugely.
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Cockwombles ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:37:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that the one he forced a compulsory purchase order on the locals to kick them off their families land?
anders987 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:32:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a video about Trump's golf resort from 2011, way before the presidential election.
MortalShadow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:40:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, trumps an asshole.
parallacks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:53:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it's a whole documentary (You've Been Trumpepd) about how much he fucked over these people's lives to build this exact golf resort.
This thread is fucking propaganda.
BurnededPotato ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:38:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this completely neutral post any kind of propaganda? People like you are trying to spread your propaganda about how Trump is the devil in a thread about personal experiences with another human. Just because something has opposing views with your own doesn't mean its propaganda.
parallacks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:49:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the posts themselves it's all of the positive the ones which are upvoted to the top (i.e. the ones that the vast majority of people see). And the fact that this one is from someone in Scotland, a place where he is almost universally reviled, is just misleading.
The problem is that Trump is someone who's only thought of himself for his entire life. He's treated everyone, his vendors, his customers, his opponents, like without a shred of respect or decency. So to see these fucking posts ("he said thanks to me once!") is just insane.
BurnededPotato ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:02:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have read almost everyone of these posts and I have not seen one with any type of blatantly negative experience. Most, if not all, commend him for being kind, engaging, polite and more intelligent than the character portrayed in the media so if you are looking for negative comments and experiences with Trump to be upvoted to the top of the thread because of your closed minded thinking on a person you have never had any experience with, you are the one spreading propaganda. And I don't even support Trump.
parallacks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:31:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, what a kind and gentle man.
To think his "character" as portrayed in the evil media is a conspiracy is laughable. How many women accusing him of harassment does it take? How about what he did to the Central Park 5? Seriously, watch the You've Been Trumped documentary and please tell me if you agree with your original post. It goes on and on and on...
The people here have "met" him in service positions or on the street or whatever for seconds at a time. He says thank you and a nice word and moves on. But he's been around for decades. We know who this man is.
Even if you don't even consider the issues or ideology, we have all we need to know he's a vile, disgusting human piece of filth, and always has been.
the_calibre_cat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:09:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It takes evidence. I don't see why this concept is so difficult for your camp to accept. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Evidence, or GTFO. A false accusation is a small price to pay when deciding the leader of the free world, and to think you think that everyone else should just listen and believe is spectacular bullshit.
parallacks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's sexual harassment dipshit. What evidence are you looking for? Do you want women to wear body cameras?
Also, one more thing: you forgot the fact that HE ADMITTED HE DOES IT. Seems like a pretty solid piece of evidence that he's a garbage human being. Holy shit how much more in denial can you be??
I guess you're a cosby defender too huh?
the_calibre_cat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, pretty much when you show up 20 years after the fact only when your "harasser" is running for President, I don't think you have much credibility.
BurnededPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We do not know anything about this person. The only thing person we know anything about is the character the media is portraying. Most of the people who accused him are simply eyewitnesses whose memory has degraded over time. There have been countless studies over the last decade proving that eyewitness accounts of anything are unreliable or blatantly false because of leading questions or the expectation of what they need to answer. Because of this thousands are convicted falsely each year because of a single person pointing and saying that's the person that did it.
Do we know if he actually did these things? No, not for sure. Does the media give half a shit about what we think? Absolutely fucking not. They will continue to portray Trump as negatively as the possibly can because that's what gets them views and if they cause half a campus of Berkeley kids rioting, they are going to fucking pat themselves on the back because they think they're doing a good job. Makes me sick.
You are correct in saying that the majority of people in this thread have only met him briefly but there are a couple with a lot more long term interactions all of which are positive and have left the impression on these people of confusion about the character portrayed during the election. There was one whose friend was on the apprentice and was approached by the media asking if Trump sexually harassed her. She said he was always professional and they moved on. There was a guy who went to high school with Trump who can only say positive things about him. Another who was in a frat with his son and frequently met Trump, and never heard anything bigoted even within the confines of the frat. Parents of a liberal elementary school say he showed up to every play exactly 1 minute late to divert attention from himself and to focus it solely on his daughter. Even they can connect the character in the political race to more reserved man they knew.
So what are we left with? We are left with the character the media wants us to believe whether it is true or false, of a man who is a racist, sexist, and xenophobic. And the actual character of the President elect which we now know nothing about.
parallacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is for eyewitness testimonies; it has nothing at all to do with victims. The victims themselves don't speak up for fear of retribution (a favorite tactic of Trump btw who sues any publication for defamation if they print anything negative about him). It's the same thing that happened with Cosby where once there were accusations in public, other victims felt safer to come forward.
By the way, you're forgetting one thing about the accusations of sexual harassment/assault. HE FUCKING ADMITTED IT. Jesus open your goddamn eyes. Please.
I don't get what's so hard about clicking the links I posted. There are pages of evidence, EVIDENCE, of him being all the things you said he's not.
It's not a media conspiracy. It's not. The "evil" media only helped him in the primary and general elections by amplifying his crazy behavior. That's why he got more coverage, more attention, etc.
If the media is lying about any of this, please, for the love of god, explain how.
granular101 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
>It's not the posts themselves it's all of the positive the ones which are upvoted to the top (i.e. the ones that the vast majority of people see)
Well thats the thing about Reddit. Set to view controversial comments if you want to see the other side of the coin.
Also, this post asked people specifically about their personal experiences of meeting Trump. It didn't ask anything about his political stances or business practices.
methylated_spirit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one i live near is Trump Turnberry, the other end of the country from the one in the documentary. It is 200 years old. He bought it, didnt build it.
Hamza_33 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:51:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want him to come to Glasgow.
ZeusHatesTrees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's... actually really nice. I don't wanna like him, I really don't...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel any better, he fucked over a lot of people to get that golf course built.
revcrash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would that be the golf club a 92 year old lives next to and her water pipes were broken by his people and he refuses to repair them ?
BigBassBone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. He may be a nice person to people's faces, but that doesn't mean he isn't a cruel businessman.
PretzelsThirst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/10/31/donald-trump-gatecrashed-hiv-kids-charity-event-without-giving-a-single-penny/
Michesan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:32:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Balmedie by any chance?
A_Crabby_Patty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turnberry?
tacticalpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turnberry? (Not sure if I'm spelling that right, I'm on my phone rn)
VizKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he pay in exact change?
sillykatface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he pooped in..
Wait, what??...oh..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could have saved us all from this! Just sayin'
mousylion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read "popped in" as "pooped in.". 10/10 would misread again.
martialforpresident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasnt there a whole documentary about Trump fucking the guy who used to own that resort over and almost costing him everything? Or am I thinking of a different golf course?
kcazduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the same golf resort in Scotland that he's apparently adding seawalls to combat the rising seas?
SoftlySpokenPromises ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I expected a Trump is an asshole circlejerk, but I haven't actually seen a negative post yet, pretty awesome
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How did the rest of Scotland take him?
ectish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's your take on the documentary, 'Trumped' that dives into that golf course's construction?
I'm assuming it's the only one.
groeit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it the best food?
penultimart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta lock down the Scottish vote.
Workaphobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda like when he popped into the Miss America dressing room to see if they needed anything. That was nice of him.
LJizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The building of the golf course was a pretty big issue from what I understand. I believe it was built on a SSSI (Site of Scientific Special Interest) as there were certain animals which were local only to that area. Originally the plans for the course weren't to go ahead, but Trump appealed the decision until it went to the highest court, where some claim there was an exchange of money, and all of a sudden the course was allowed to be built.
wemblinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Girvan?
Hammer_Jackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know how long I was trying to figure out what "ehich" was Scottish for?!?
AhFeckItanyway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you enjoy watching what he did to the local landowners??
DrunkenDegenerate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read this whole thing in a Scottish accent, made it even better
DarthRusty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a former caterer and restaurant chef, ANYONE who takes time to recognize and thank the cooks is a-okay in my book.
bambixbambi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is really sweet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recall a few years ago there was a scuffle over Scotland wanting to build a wind farm off the coast, and Trump was attempting to stop them because it would ruin the view from his golf course...is this the same one? How did that pan out, and how did the locals really feel about it? (I no longer trust the media to give an accurate portrayal of anything)
chromiselda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't he hated by Scotland, especially the locals in the vicinity when he was constructing it? There was a whole documentary covering the shady things he did to make it a reality. What happened after to make them change their minds?
methylated_spirit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:01 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry dude just saw your message. That was another resort in Aberdeenshire, the one im talking about was an exisiting resort in Ayrshire - no drama im aware of, although the one you sre referring to was a shitstorm
key1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:02 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a reoccurring theme of this thread is how nice of a guy he is but in all reality everybody's only so surprised of him saying thank you because he's a rich wealthy famous guy. Also less expected because he's been a bad person for the past few years. Normal people are expected to say thank you. This isn't that impressive.
DemonyxCG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow all these stories make me think that he isn't such a terrible person after all
b8le ยท 9494 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it counts as having 'met' him, but about 2 years ago I was walking out of this public atrium space that's right near Trump tower in the IBM building and we saw him and some other businessmen walk out of Trump Tower.
Someone around us yelled out 'Hey Trump you're fired!' and he looked over and gave us the classic Donald thumbs up and got into a black SUV.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 2782 points ยท Posted at 15:42:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite reply so far. I imagine this scene being mildly awkward for some reason.
irishcream240 ยท 323 points ยท Posted at 22:42:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been to NYC? Random yelling is mandatory
katieblu ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 22:46:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eeyy! Fuck you, buddy!
irishcream240 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 22:55:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
honestly in the city if some one yells "fuck you" and is smiling about it its a friendly greeting.
JiReilly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the Jersey Hello.
irishcream240 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jersey eh, I knew I Smelled something
katieblu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:06:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, I miss NY. I cant wait to be home for Christmas.
irishcream240 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:13:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Florida now, its......... different.
katieblu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Im in SoCal. Sooooo different. I kinda hate it here. The only thing it has over NY is weed. I hope they legalize it in NY by the time I moved back home.
irishcream240 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:41:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Florida is actually fucking awesome, it's the people/gov that fuck it all up. Oh
Well as long as you don't mind the heat. Oh dank cheap budss anddddddd alligator is DELICIOUS. Who would of guessed
katieblu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The humidity in florida would kill me.
TellMyWifiLover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Texas :/
katieblu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no place like New York
cardinal29 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:04:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We miss you, too!
Valiazaner ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:48:13 on December 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
EYYY! I'm WALKIN ERRR!
JohnnySharts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:28 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eyyy, how's ya mudda? lightly slaps you on the cheek
TMWNN ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:53:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a New Yorker, this is what people don't get about Trump.
Trump is a native New Yorker, but not born anywhere near where Trump Tower is: He was born in Queens. He is a New York loudmouth. There is nothing dangerous about being one: It's just the way people like him are.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have and I guess I hadn't noticed. Too many people. I know random yelling in Spanish seems to be the norm in LA...
running_rum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try the random yelling in Spanish in Miami! It's literally not even random its every single conversation you have. No one speaks here, we yell!
Crafthai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:54 on December 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eyyyyy! I'm walkin eere!
[deleted] ยท 534 points ยท Posted at 18:28:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump lives for people recognizing him. Not awkward at all
Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 18:48:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that's why he's such an odd looking person. I mean nobody's going to mistake him for that other orange skinned broom haired man.
ThrowawayusGenerica ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 22:50:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boris Johnson?
Ebmoclas ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:15:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boris is English, not Orange. Plus he just kept his public school boy fop, rather than a comb over with it's own imagination and lots of hair spray.
SueZbell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A former member of the US House of Representives named Boehner was orange for a while.
SueZbell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boehner.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/10/history-will-be-made-when-boehner-becomes-first-orange-american-speaker-of-the-house-but-will-his-skin-color-be-distracting/
PM_ME_UR_WEDGES ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:04:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That made me laugh more than I should have.
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SueZbell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or Boehner, former speaker of US House of Representatives.
HeyRustyTrueMemester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brown hair?
morg93anlee ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:47:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah he probably meant broom. His hair does have a straw broom kind of appearance lol.
bw1870 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:27:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The finest straw.
SueZbell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:49:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A GOP former speaker of US House -- Boehner:
http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/10/history-will-be-made-when-boehner-becomes-first-orange-american-speaker-of-the-house-but-will-his-skin-color-be-distracting/
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I am looking at for a map
_Molobe_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably gets that daily, and his personality leads to believe that he knows hes a celeb and that people will remember remember their quick run ins with him for the rest of their lives, so he just puts on a good face and bears it.
Grumplogic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:55:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Probably because op was nervous about what a bad ass thing he was about to do* so it came out more like "HEY D-D-D-Donald you're fffffffired" and then op avoided eye contact and quickly walked away. But it was in the same direction Trump and co were going so op looked at his phone and turned around.
prancingElephant ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:38:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't OP who yelled
kinkyaboutjewelry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spot on, it was!
cutdownthere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its because of his huge hands.
Ucantalas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It only would've been awkward if it had happened before The Apprentice.
Throwawaymyheart01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly he comes across as someone who is very awkward on the inside.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until he makes a few bad decisions, or walks back from some of his policy points. You're fired will be all we'll hear, and mostly for the people who expected a Wall, Mass Deportation, and an Amazing New NAFTA.
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[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 20:16:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not making any kind of statement on his potential as the president, but imagine if he gets impeached for some reason? The "you're fired!" memes are going to be endless..
The_Pudge ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:29:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll be all over the place if he doesn't get re-elected too. Probably even after an 8 year term.
M3nt0R ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:22:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling he doesn't want to be a two term president. I think he's going to try to get as much done as possible in this term, and then hand the reigns off to someone potentially with his vision.
dhelfr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:03:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. Trump values his legacy, and the list of one term president isn't a great list.
HoldMyWater ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like David Duke or Alex Jones or Jim Inhofe.
M3nt0R ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:52:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh David Duke. WILL HE DISAVOW?
He left the Reform Party because David Duke got involved and Trump didn't want to keep company with him.
Alex Jones for all his crazy stuff has at least not shit on Trump every step of the way.
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TASSPAS ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:22:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him a few months ago, the day before the guy climbed the tower. I was at Trump tower when a bunch of police cars and black SUVs swarmed in and blocked the street. I briefly saw him get out of one of the SUVs and go in through the side entrance wearing a red MAGA hat.
Audiophile33 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:35:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This entire thread is so funny.
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TedyCruz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've met Alan Sugar, who runs the Apprentice in the UK, he entered our advertising agency without talking to anyone, one of my colleagues shouted "you are fired Mr Sugar" and he responded with a growl, not a happy one either. Bad day I guess.
fuck-dat-shit-up ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:24:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao. I feel like yelling "You're fired!" To Trump will take on a whole next context.
He wont know if they are fans of the show or just mad at him for being president.
rochford77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So much Pringles powder
load_more_commments ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That pic is yyyyyugeeeeee
cheezzzeburgers9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having many friends who work in the area around Trump Tower in NYC they tell it is a very common thing that happens. If Donald hears them he will always give them a thumbs up, even if he is in the middle of an interview.
greatyucko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black SUV ?? Pure EVIL
gcompany22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he pay in exact change?
the_last_fartbender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky he put it up. Legend says if he ever turns the thumb down his security will shoot you.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to hope that he tells Obama that he's fired during his inauguration speech
relevant84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this one. Most of these stories sound like bullshit.
Come_along_quietly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey Trump, you're fired!" Is this going to be the rally cry in 2020?
notquiteotaku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now we need someone to yell this whenever he ends up leaving office.
D-TOX_88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's gotta be the worst thumbs up I've ever seen. Like he isn't even trying!
HoldMyWater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is his forehead especially orange?
madhousechild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him similarly, just getting out of a limo that rolled up where we were sitting, and walking into a high-rise. IIRC he wore a tux and his wife wore a fancy dress. We didn't shout out or anything.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahha
master_bulder_max ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow pre-political trump sounds like a pretty cool guy.
geacps2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
uhhhh - that doesn't count
smakola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you work for P&W in Chicago? I heard this story from a friend that works there.
hidanone ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your grandma a upper white class american?
davezilla123 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was he sued?
CarmenTS ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's interesting about this is I've heard from multiple sources that Donald like to walk about New York... in other buildings, walk from place to place... yeah. Will be impossible now for the rest of his life. The man loves his freedom to move around from what I hear... he didn't want to be President and was trolling this whole time. It's amazing that he's getting the thing he pretended to want but didn't really... he's getting what he deserves.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:29:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he would have quit awhile ago if he didn't really want it. Melania is the one who seems like she really never wanted any of this.
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just the Botox.
SunnyZ606 ยท 1880 points ยท Posted at 20:35:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 13, I was invited to a friend's Bar Mitzvah, and the party was at the clubhouse of one of Trump's golf courses.
He was actually there a bit during the cocktail party, checking on the parents of the Bar Mitzvah boy to make sure everything was up to snuff for them. Shook a lot of people's hands, said hello to everyone, honestly my best memory of a celebrity.
Teapot42 ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 23:03:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its a really weird feeling reading these stories (especially yours) and thinking of him as human for the first time. Just when you think your biases are under control another one pops up i guess.
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 00:10:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what happens when you stop for a second and realize that the media's been demonizing him since he started his candidacy, and wasn't prior.
Teapot42 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 00:23:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats fair, but i was mostly talking from a perspective of hearing the things he would say and think how inhuman and horrible they were.
GalaxyMods ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 00:36:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've got to remember that a lot of what the media said Trump said was taken out of context. I think you'd be surprised if you take a clip from the media, hunt down the original clip, and compare it.
Teapot42 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:26:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Lots of his stuff was. But i have also watched a lot of his speeches, and i find no excuse for saying we should ban all muslims from entering the states, or that illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers, or the countless sexist moments. I get that its for attention (hopefully) but so many things that he said should have booted him from the race. His story just proves that all press is good press.
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Teapot42 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:53:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah its true that some are, but that isn't something exclusive to immigrants. The quote was "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with them. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Sorry i misspoke on the murderer part earlier but i think the statement speaks for its self. I dont think "i assume some are good people" really redeems it.
Not_really_Spartacus ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:33:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, there is an abnormally high amount of rape going on by the people bringing illegal immigrants across the border. About 80% of women smuggled across the border are raped by the "coyotes" that bring them across.
Most of the victims are also illegal immigrants, but to say that there is not a larger per capita amount of rape and other crime going on because of illegal immigration is just not true.
HonoredPeoples ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:39:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm not mistaken, he made that statement based on an understanding that Mexico had been encouraging its undesirables to go to the US rather than stay in Mexico. (That is, Mexico literally sending "its people")
Which is possibly true. At some point in the early 2000's (I don't remember the exact year), the Mexican government published and distributed an instructional pamphlet on sneaking in the US and evading detection. Ostensibly for the purposes of safety. The problem is, the information in the pamphlet was inaccurate and would be dangerous to follow in many cases.
As you can imagine, the target audience of the pamphlet probably wasn't Mexican physicians, engineers, etc.
deityblade ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:12:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would imagine on average they probably have higher crimerates (possibly because on average they have less money?). I think the last sentence actually does redeem it, but I guess that is sort of subjective
Teapot42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I honestly will have to do research in to crime rates. From what i have heard if it is a higher rate it isnt very significant. Also arrest rates are bound to be higher because of bias within the police departments (no fault of the individual)
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who would have guessed it, illegal immigrants moght be targeted for arrest more than most...
ComesWithTheFall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:53 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media was spreading a lie for awhile that Americans have higher crime rates than (illegal) immigrants.
Firstly they subtley dropped the illegal part, so now we're dealing with only legal immigrants. Then they took a subset of Americans, like ones in Detroit who have juvenile criminal records, and then compared to the two groups. Completely deceptive.
https://youtu.be/sVIkAqwcgas?t=32m
def_not_a_dog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always assumed he meant that Mexico is sending over their criminals and their rapists, not saying ALL of them are rapists. Of course, he does have a way of speaking that is prone to having his messages all jumbled so who knows.
Greevil_95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, that's how grammar works in this case.
He said they're sending their problems, and then went on to list those problems.
"...They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. Their rapists."
It's the same thing as saying "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're bringing their rapists."
the_big_cheef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:14 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, your feelings shouldn't get in the way of evidence. His statement was backed up by facts. They aren't sending their best, and he wasn't just talking Mexico, he was talking South America as well. Also, when will people get this through their head: They're not immigrants, they're illegal aliens.
vitaymin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That line is taken from his candidacy announcemeny speech
GuruNemesis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:47:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taken out of context from that speech you mean ;)
Teapot42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No its pretty straight forward.
GuruNemesis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but just wanted to clarify what people don't seem to remember. He never said all illegals (or Mexicans for that matter) were rapists. So few people get that right. Glad you did.
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Teapot42 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually think youll find that second part is less true than much of the media will lead you to believe. Most illegal immigrants from mexico come here and work hard at underpaying jobs to support themselves. There is less of a crime issue with illegal immigrants than legal citizens.
Also an official press release from a campaign press release: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on"
sbhansf ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:03:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which came out when there was a rash of terrorist attacks in Europe. "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on" is the relevant part.
Good-Writer ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:12:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single illiegal immigrant is a criminal.
Vashiebz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:19:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By virtue of entering the country illegally. J- walkers are also criminals in many parts of America as well. Does that make them horrible people? That is a question for you to ask yourself.
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C4RP3_N0CT3M ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one said all criminals are horrible people though.
Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:58 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
J walkers don't violate the sovereignty of another country. Read the laws of Mexico regarding this.
Rooooben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and so is every American - read Three Felonies a Day. The question is how to prioritize resources - if you want to reduce crime, prosecuting immigrants here illegally won't make any impact.
Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:00 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But crime is illiegal immigrants they are the crime.
Rooooben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:50 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So are you. Every American every day does something that can be considered breaking the law. On the scale of criminality, where does the immigrant who is here illegally fall? Is it equivalent to murder? Or maybe it's more like stealing? Or maybe it's closer to a drug user, and the pusher - the person offering jobs to illegal immigrants, is the one who is doing the harder crime, by creating a culture of low paid work for those immigrants to perform? Yet that person is fined and continues to abuse the system.
I'm not against fixain't our immigration problem, it's a mess.
But pretending that mass deportations will do anything but affect your life negatively is naive. If 70 million workers willing to work for a suppressed wage dissappear all at once, guarantee you'll be paying double for food and services. It's not good right now, but putting all of our efforts into reporting immigrants won't make things better, just like locking up pot-heads has done nothing to prevent drug use.
Focus on those who are hiring, and illegal immigration will dry up. Jailing 70 million people and deporting them will cost Americans more than it is worth.
Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:47 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is worse than murder. No, you sound mentally insane. 70 million, wtf? You're crazy.
Rooooben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:24 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worse than murder. Ok, so not a reasonable conversation, my bad.
ComesWithTheFall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:26 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. That's a lie that was being spread by mainstream media. First they quietly dropped the illegal part, so now we're looking at only legal immigrants. Secondly, they used dirty tricks like comparing to subset of Americans, such as only juvenile offenders or only Detroit. Don't believe this false narrative.
https://youtu.be/sVIkAqwcgas?t=32m
knrf683 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's people in those countries that are in most need of international help
helemaal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
>or that illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers,
Are you disagreeing with the amnesty international report that said women sometimes get raped when they are smuggled across the border?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:43 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
80% get raped
No_stop_signs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:53:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like those horrible racist walls. All white and shit.
fluteitup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This on is especially interesting with him being labelled an anti-Semite
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:39:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump being labelled an anti-Semite is about the single most retarded thing that anyone who knew Trump before the election has ever heard.
Trump sued people who were trying to stop him from making his Mar-A-Lago more accepting of Jewish and Black members.
Notice how it was mostly non-Jewish people calling him an anti-Semite as well, while he was getting endorsements from prominent Jewish members of society.
stuntaneous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mostly get my impression of him from.. him, his screen-time. He doesn't need any outside help to make a bad impression.
knrf683 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:35:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk. I haven't watched much news, not nearly as much as videos of his speeches. He did more for his character assassination than anyone else.
SunnyZ606 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:53:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird, right? I honestly could't believe the persona that was running for president, it was totally different than my experiences with him.
aswaim2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:48:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta mobilize the 4Chan deplorables, beebs
The_Punniest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you. Challenge yourself to see the other side of the coin. I voted for Obama twice and Trump this past election.
Teapot42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am in no way saying i support trump to be clear.
The_Punniest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's totally fine.
Born_Ruff ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why people seem to think him being friendly to people paying him tons of money says anything about his character.
fikme ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:03:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump loves to shake people hands , and maintains eye contact when he does it.. he's also very tall, and he actually lowers his head tactfully and he does the hand gestures and repeats a positive word over and over again .. to compliment someone he will say something like " yes great party for a great guy, a really great guy every body loves , everybody , everyone talks about how great this guy is, they all love him, all of them " he also changes his time when he does it , softens it up .. and does his smile ... his campaign aside, he has great people skills
esaks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this post seems like BS, in his books he's said he hates shaking hands because he's a germaphobe and wishes the US would adopt the Japanese custom of bowing.
Hotguy657 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:54:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see him after his acceptance speech though? He should hands for about 10 minutes with the crowd
Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:13:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know?
newfulluser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Nice
Dutch5-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope you and /u/CheeeeEEEEse we're at the same party
SunnyZ606 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at the same party, but quite maybe the same golf course!
I_hate_alot_a_lot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But according to CNN he hates jews.
SunnyZ606 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well CNN may be right, but one thing he does like is people spending money at his establishments!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And people call him anti-semite...
waiv ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:49:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Your best memory or a celebrity is some reality show host shaking hands and saying Hello? That's a really low bar.
SunnyZ606 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, but since he's the only celebrity I've ever actually met its automatically the best!
nicholai_he1 ยท 1959 points ยท Posted at 19:31:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've played golf at one of his courses in Florida a few times he's usually there having lunch with his typical group. When they finish he makes a point to walk around to all of the tables shake hands and say hello. Always very nice. Since he didn't make a fortune in tech I imagine he has gotten to where he is by being pretty charismatic.
kpurn6001 ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 17:48:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When trump does it he's charismatic. When I do it, I'm, "interrupting your meal"
Basilman121 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:37:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you own your restaurant?
kpurn6001 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:42:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone knows that it is illegal to own restaurants.
Randiathrowaway1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:39:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when poor, misunderstood El Chapo pays for everyone's dinner in return for their silence...He is a mafia bad man
The_Punniest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I do it, I'm, "mom's spaghetti"
simplequark ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 22:55:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
AFAIK, a big (perhaps the biggest) part of his job is being a salesman. For that, being able to turn on the charm is definitely a big plus. Whether it's sincere or not is another matter, and often it's impossible to decide until you end up on that person's bad side.
Some sellers I've met were genuinely nice and helpful even after I decided not to buy anything, while others dropped the act and turned into total jerks they second they realized they weren't going to make a profit off of me. (Note that I never intended to waste their time โ I just ended up feeling like I didn't need whatever they were selling me for the price they were asking.)
funk-it-all ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:39:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so what happens if we don't buy trump's policies as president?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:49 on December 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it all
LexaBinsr ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:57:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grab em by the hand!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:54 on November 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shots fired
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:50 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How come he's fucking everywhere??? Does he have Clones?? His job so far seemed to be nice to everyone all the time..
RLutz ยท -171 points ยท Posted at 20:56:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He got to where he got to by inheriting his wealth.
MeowntainMan ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 22:16:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just to note that his other siblings also received a 1 million dollar loan and he was the only one to turn it into a multi-billion dollar business. Not everyone can take wealth and turn it into more wealth.
zacharyan100 ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 23:14:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the correct response. Two things can be true at the same time. Yes, Trump did get a $1M loan from pops. Yes, he made good decisions with that money and became a billionaire. There are thousands upon thousands of people who inherit a lot of money. Most of them don't end up building fortunes out of it.
TimbuFTZB ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 23:39:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lots of people get a $100k loan and turn it into an an art degree and a minimum wage job
aggressive-hat ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 23:43:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
brb, shit posting this to all my friends who got moronic college degrees.
note: the guy who got laughed at openly for getting a golf course management degree makes more than most of the lawyers and doctors I know.
scoyne15 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:45:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got a moronic degree, but at least I was paid to go to school!
Argh what a waste.
cardinal29 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:31:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a real thing? What kind of money are we talking about?
aggressive-hat ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:55:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he makes 220k+bonuses. The main thing is he over sees golf course construction and renovations. Which is a big deal. It's very complicated and time sensitive. He also knows more about grass and turf than anyone I've ever met. I actually don't even know where he went to school to get the degree (met him after college).
tekdemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The average physician makes a lot more than 220K though, so his bonus would have to be very high to break that income. While generalists and less well paid specialists make about that same amount the average is brought up by the high end where specialists like a neurosurgeon make ~700-900K a year (depending on if they do spine), mohs surgeons who remove melanomas make ~700K, orthopedic guys make about 500-900K (depending again on if they do spine) a year as well. A lot of online salary portal tend to underreport physician incomes, you have to look at MGMA and similar studies to get realistic data.
The average ER doctor you'll encounter if you ever go to an ER makes well over 300K a year and someone who's a workaholic makes more than that, since that's usually assuming that you're working only 3 or 4 12 hour shifts a week. So the workaholic types can pull in 400K.
This is the only free salary survey with semi-reasonable results but it still tends to underreport the really high paying specialties and doesn't have data on a lot of them: http://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/compensation/2016/public/overview#page=2
Most of the doctors you know are probably downplaying their income, or you know a lot of pediatricians and primary care docs (and even then, they're likely downplaying their income if they own their own practice-their "salary" might be $180K but since their practice is theirs if they run it properly it should be returning other profits via an onsite lab, x-rays, etc.). And many fields are undergoing pretty big changes in salary, they just gave everyone in my field a $40K raise at our hospital, though it came with a lot of productivity changes.
The real downside of being a physician is that you end up with crazy student loans, sometimes at pretty brutal interest rates and you miss out on literally a decade of income while you're training and everyone else is working. And because when you finally start making money it's taxed at a much higher rate it takes another decade before you make up for that decade of lost income and the loans. For example I pay $3200 a month in student loan payments, and I don't even owe that much compared to the newer graduates I've met who owe $300K and some really unlucky ones even more than that. So your friend who makes $220K a year likely can be as comfortable as a physician who's making $300K a year but has spent a lot of years making negative money or a meager resident salary. Then again, your friend probably didn't make $220K from the start either.
MeowntainMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like I was correct in the fact that he received more than just $1, but for me, it still doesn't negate the fact that he created so much wealth from the $14 million that is claimed to have been given to him.
Onespokeovertheline ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If you're under the impression he built his fortune from a $1 million dollar loan from his dad, you haven't looked into his personal history. That's just window dressing.
Edit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/?client=ms-android-motorola
zacharyan100 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:23:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I didn't, and it truly isn't that important to me. I don't even like Trump.
That being said, if you think I'm going to trust WaPo to cover trump fairly, or fact check him accurately, you are out of your mind. That's like expecting the National Inquirer to cover Ted Cruz's father accurately.
Onespokeovertheline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:27 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So in your world, the Washington Post is as credible as the National inquirer? Basically that's saying, "hey, I don't know anything and I'm not interested in facts whatsoever, just let me float on in my life in the comfort of believing whatever suits me with zero intellectual curiosity"
zacharyan100 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:41 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or it is just saying that WaPo is not a credible source.
If you disagree, that's like saying, "Hey, I'm a sucker for anything that anyone says that reinforces my belief system."
Seriously, WaPo is garbage, this is common knowledge among anyone that follows the news. You should never bother with the New York Times, WaPo, or HuffPo. MSNBC is more credible than those three combined. My son's age in years is higher than the collective IQ of all the journalists that work for WaPo.
If I were to rate integrity on a scale of 1-10, where 1 is the National Inquirer and 10 is Abraham Lincoln, WaPo would be a 2.
Onespokeovertheline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:15 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HuffPo is garbage. And MSNBC also. But the New York Times and Washington Post are not only two of the most credible news services in America, they have the Pulitzers to prove it. Do they trend toward big city issues and have a perspective, yes, but they don't run bullshit, and they adhere to a journalistic standard few can boast.
I don't read them for reinforcement, if that's what I was looking for I'd be into MSNBC or HuffPo which as I said are absolute nonsense that even liberals are ashamed of. A sentiment, I might add, that the right doesn't seem to share with regards to their favorite Fox news, Breitbart, etc, which are literal propaganda. I have no problem reading the WSJ or other reputable conservative news sources, but if you think either the Times or the Post is an uncredible rag on the level of national enquirer or fox news or huffpo, then I'm afraid you're misinformed.
zacharyan100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:54 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why you are making this statement as if the Pulitzer is a beacon for objectivity. Just google pulitzer bias.
This was an actual story printed in the NYtimes, a former newspaper.
Onespokeovertheline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:57 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't read it in detail, but from a few paragraphs, that appears to be a perfectly valid human interest piece using a specific family to illustrate a larger trend of growing fear in the Muslim community brought on by actual statements of our new President-elect and the tone of many of his outspoken supporters. It's not likely fabricated or inaccurate. That the paper shows concern for that issue is something you can argue demonstrates a bias (I was clear that they have an overt perspective that is left of center and tend to cover issues that are relevant to NY and other large cities) but that issue exists and has importance in the present social conversation.
In no way that I see does it demonstrate a lack of journalistic integrity or commitment to the truth. It ran, not as a primary, front page article, which generally pertain to accounts of large, mainstream events of the day, but rather was published as supplementary coverage of an issue told thru the lens of human interest. You can ignore what you want in this world, but you aren't going to earn much respect from intellectually honest members of the community for asserting that two of the papers with perhaps the longest, proudest tradition of credibility are as unworthy of consideration as actual trash.
zacharyan100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:55 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That shit was on the front page of an alleged newspaper.
Here is NYT getting Aleppo wrong, while chastising Gary Johnson on getting Aleppo wrong
Paul Krugman, an alleged journalist, wrote this objective little ditty for the times:
This isn't new. This book was published in 1986, and the authors came to the same conclusion as any mildly objective american would come to as well regarding media bias.
The New York Times and WaPo are a joke. They don't have the same mainstream reputation that MSNBC, but you consume them to reinforce your beliefs nonetheless.
Onespokeovertheline ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:22 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Krugman writes editorials. Are you confused as to the difference? And even so, is your contention that Trump wasn't lying his ass off basically the entire duration of those debates, and doing so considerably more brashly and consistently than Clinton? Frankly I think more papers should have called him out on it, because it was (and due to his win, still is) a national embarrassment to see such ridiculous statements go largely unchallenged in a serious, Presidential debate.
The Aleppo error is also embarrassing. I don't know who wrote it or who failed to catch their mistake, but that's funny. However, clearly an unintentional mistake which they corrected (mistakenly) and then recorrected in the same day. http://www.mediaite.com/print/ny-times-issues-correction-to-its-correction-of-gary-johnson-piece/ . And that meets the standard for responsible journalism. Mistakes do happen at any paper (or anywhere, really) but that error was neither malicious nor tolerated by the editor at NYT. They issued public corrections.
They are not "a joke" or else you simply don't respect any news outlet, which makes me wonder how you can possibly inform yourself.
Blue_Frost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you trust PolitiFact? I'm honestly not very knowledgeable about which sites are bias and which ones aren't but a recurring number I've seen thrown around is Donald received $1 million in a loan as well as some amount of inheritance when his father passed away. His father's estate is estimated at around $200-300 million, divided between four children. So assuming it was perfectly equal and using the lowest estimate Donald would have received $40M. It seems likely that he inherited a larger portion because he was running his father's business and Forbes estimated Donald's worth at $200M as of 1982. However, his father died in 1999 so that $200M estimate was before he got that inheritance.
TLDR: Trump did get a $1M loan, became president of his father's real estate company in 1974 with a personal net worth of around $40M and the company being worth around $200-300M. Forbes estimated Donald's worth to be $200M in 1982. His father passed away in 1999 and that company was split amongst 4 children including Donald, we don't know how it was split. As of 2016, Trump's estimated net worth according to Forbes is now $3.7B.
We don't know too much factually because he hasn't released his tax returns.
Source: http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2016/mar/07/did-donald-trump-inherit-100-million/
zacharyan100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:44 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, i personally believe all sites/media outlets are bias. Some have developed a reputation, however. I don't know too much about politifact, honestly. I've heard they are left leaning, but I don't frequent their site so I don't have a personal opinion.
Personally, I listen to the DailyWire podcasts, Lowder with Crowder, and I enjoy the Rubin Report. I don't own cable and I have a baby. So I'm limited on how much I can consume.
KingBababooey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:42:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know fact check articles aren't just a one line judgement, right? They back up their conclusion with sources so you can't just dismiss it because he received coverage appropriate for his behavior.
zacharyan100 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:26:17 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know they are supposed to be. However, if you believe that the "fact-check" label means the article is void of confirmation bias, I would say that you are mistaken. Unless you challenge the sources yourself, you won't really know if you agree with the article. Since most people don't actually check journalists on their sources, it's very easy to mislead a vast number of people, especially on the more popular sites.
I'm not saying that the specific article you are referencing is guilty of this. I'm just making a point about fact checking in general.
stationhollow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:05 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like how politifact would rate Trump statements much more harshly. There is a screenshot floating around of nearly the exact same statistic being discussed by Trump and Sanders. Guess who they said was lying and who was tellibg the truth?
KingBababooey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:58:55 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does that have to do with trusting a news source for fact checking. If you can't be bothered to read past the truth-o-meter or whatever, then you shouldn't complain about it. Feel free to assume the score can't be trusted, then check their citations and evidence to see if the fact is true or false.
astronautdinosaur ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:24:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He was given control of the company in 1971 though. Plus $100M inheritance in 1999, which is like $150M in today's money. That'd be pretty hard to mess up, no matter who you are. In fact he'd be a lot richer now if he had just invested in the stock market
DickieDawkins ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:33:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead, he wasn't lazy and tried to do something. I'll respect someone who tries and fails over someone who sits on their ass and waits.
astronautdinosaur ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but that's beside the point. He was extremely privileged, and was given control of his family's company at the age of 25. Yet the OP never mentioned the company or the $100M dollars, which is why I pointed it out.
Imo his story just isn't as impressive as people make it out to be. Larry Ellison, on the other hand, was raised by a single mother and later adopted to his aunt and uncle. He created his own company and is now worth 10 times as much as Trump
DickieDawkins ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:14:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
$100m is still a 10 times less than 1 billion and increasing your networth is by a factor of 10 is exponentially more difficult.
el_loco_avs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:47:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But is his networth actually as much as he claims? Probably not.
Also your math is off by a factor of ten.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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el_loco_avs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100M x 100 = 10,000M = 10B
... are you kidding me here? 100 times 100 isn't a thousand.... Otherwise what would 10 times 100 be?!
DickieDawkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oops, my bad.
DickieDawkins ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:15:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yes, there are better business people who are more successful. So what? IMO Dimebag Darrel is the best guitarist to date, doesn't mean I can't respect other guitarists ability and success.
el_loco_avs ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:46:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he had Daddy Trump to bail him out (which he did several times). It's easy to try and fail like that though.
zacharyan100 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:20:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a billionaire before 1999.
jarde ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:37:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't get a small loan of 1m from his dad and turned it into a few billion, he got handed the empire. And has performed worse than the market since he did in 1971.
Do you get your facts from facebook? This 1m figure is hilarious.
zacharyan100 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is the actual figure?
stationhollow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:55 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realise that 'market performance' is an average right and half of all companies perform worse than it every year?
TMWNN ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed.
Real estate is one of the classic ways to make money in human society. Look at how many real-estate developers own pro sports teams. Every big and small city in the US has real-estate people among its wealthy people.
What Trump did, however, is different (as you and /u/zacharyan100 note). Four decades ago he was on paper absolutely no different from 500 other scions of moderately wealthy (as in, a few millions to tens of millions) property developers in the New York metro area. To turn that million-dollar loan into ten billion is, however, unusual; there aren't 50 real-estate multibillionaires in New York, let alone 500. To also become a household name and to have remained one for 30 years and turn that fame into a victorious presidential campaign that along the way destroyed the country's two most powerful political dynasties and made the entire global media look like idiots? That takes brains.
I was not a Trump supporter during the Republican nomination process, although I supported him over Hillary. I recognize, however, that too often "idiot" is used in politics as a synonym for "anyone whose policies I oppose", regardless of that person's actual intelligence. Only an idiot would call Trump an idiot.
iushciuweiush ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:27:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, I'm so tired of this argument. If anyone could turn $1 million into $1 billion then banks would be scrambling to give out huge loans to every Joe Schmo who walks in asking for one.
MeowntainMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there are people who state that he received more than $1 million, which seems to be true. But that fact that he still turned even $14 million into a multi-billion dollar business is amazing. Maybe people don't realize how much a billion is.
electricblues42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/
MeowntainMan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of wether he was given more, he turned it into a multi-BILLION dollar business. Not many people can do that and it doesn't negate the fact that he is a skilled businessman.
soyeahiknow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:44:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say his dad's connections and the Trump name is worth as much as the 1 million dollars. To a developer, cash flow is everything.
It's surprising how much money a construction/real estate development company needs on a weekly basis. There's salaries, insurance, interest payments on previous loans, bonds, equipment rental fees, subcontractor payments, etc etc. At my jobsite alone with a crew of 30 people, just the weekly payroll amount is close to 45k.
PretendingToProgram ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he a billionaire? Yes. Does he obviously know what he's doing? Yes.
Hawklet98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:48:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would he be at least 3x wealthier today if he had put his inheritence into index funds back in the '80s? Yes. Trump's would literally have an extra $9,000,000,000.00 right now if he had retired in '86 and spent the last 30 years at home eating Doritos in his underwear. Source: http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
iushciuweiush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do they say about hindsight again?
PretendingToProgram ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Monday morning quarterback. Liberal scum.
Hawklet98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorrry if I offended you by stating a simple, relevant, and verifiable fact. I know how infuriating reality can be to people whose entire world view is shaped by willful ignorance and acceptance of lies as truth.
PretendingToProgram ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't you be in line somewhere for a handout liberal? You can't stand someone being successful. It's sad.
Hawklet98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked my whole life. My Uncle Sam helped me pay for college and graduate school in return for 8 years of service, and now I make a very decent living. I've earned everything I have, which is more than you can say for Trump.
Hawklet98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how the best argument you can muster against this truth is that I'm judging Trump's business savvy on the business decisions he's made 'in the past.' In which direction does time flow in your fucking universe? If you've discovered a method of evaluating reality based on anything other than past events I'd love to hear all about it. I'll even wash your trailer home while you fly to Sweeden and accept your Nobel Prize. Until then fuck off.
PretendingToProgram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot if your best argument for why a billionaire isn't a success is that he could of made more.
Hawklet98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine I gave 2 guys money trees. These trees grow like crazy, producing an endless suppply of cash at an ever increasing rate. The first guy lets ihis tree grow and lives off the riches. The second guy cuts off a branch every year and blows most of the money at the track. Trump's the second guy.
PretendingToProgram ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:31:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're a fool how on earth do you think it's a good argument to say he could of made more if he didn't do anything. I think it's even more impressive. Lots of millionaires go bankrupt, he's a billionaire. You liberals just can't give a guy credit for working hard.
Your logic is terrible but you only apply it to trump, can we say the same about everyone else who's worked hard and become a billionaire? Theyre idiots too because they could potentially be worth more?
Also do you really need to respond with 4 different separate comments?
Enjoy the next 4 years fuck head.
Hawklet98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you fail to understand is that he would have made more BY DOING NOTHING. He's a billionare in spite of his actions, not because of them.
Onespokeovertheline ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:41:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He received a lot more than the $1 million dollar loan that he talks about as his folk story. Look a little further into the matter, there's ample coverage of the tens and tens of millions he was gifted by his father.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/?client=ms-android-motorola
MeowntainMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of wether he was given more, he turned it into a multi-BILLION dollar business. Not many people can do that and it doesn't negate the fact that he is a skilled businessman.
Onespokeovertheline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:20 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Says who? Last I checked he refused to release his finances and estimates very wildly. Not to mention a large number of his business "successes" boil down to defaulting on loans for personal gain.
FastFourierTerraform ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 21:54:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone begrudges that things may have turned out differently had he been born into a super poor family, but come on. If turning a million dollars into a billion was easy, then there would be a lot more billionaires. For the most part, we hear about rich parents whose offspring piss away the fortune within 2 generations.
You might not like him, but the man is a successful businessman.
OneSpookySneakySquid ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 22:31:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I don't like him very much but turning a million dollars into a multi billion dollar business is a huge accomplishment. Sure being rich and having connections obviously opens more doors but it's still an insane accomplishment
coffee_and_lumber ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 22:42:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people don't understand what a billion is. Now, I fuck up math a lot but if he's worth 3.7 billion dollars, isn't that $1 million times 3,700? You don't just fall into that. There are way more stories of people screwing up and losing a million than there are people who turned it into a fortune that large.
OneSpookySneakySquid ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:14:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, a billion is a thousand millions, it's an insane amount of money
aggressive-hat ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:47:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wealth gap between some one with 3 million dollars and some one with $300, is the same magnitude between 3 Million and Mark Zuckerberg ($30 billion). Let that sink in.
deityblade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never heard it put like that, I'm saving this for future reference
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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deityblade ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:36:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its more just a way to comprehend the massive number that is 30 billion dollars, and less an actual practical application
PerfectNemesis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea where most of that 30 million is imaginary stock value
Goasupreme ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:51:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a trump supporter I do think his and maybe more importantly his father's connections in real estate helped him a lot. I could be wrong but that's how I see it
TMWNN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real estate is one of the classic ways to make money in human society. Look at how many real-estate developers own pro sports teams. Every big and small city in the US has real-estate people among its wealthy people.
What Trump did, however, is (as you and /u/FastFourierTerraform note) different. Four decades ago he was on paper absolutely no different from 500 other scions of moderately wealthy (as in, a few millions to tens of millions) property developers in the New York metro area. To turn that million-dollar loan into ten billion is, however, unusual; there aren't 50 real-estate multibillionaires in New York, let alone 500. To also become a household name and to have remained one for 30 years and turn that fame into a victorious presidential campaign that along the way destroyed the country's two most powerful political dynasties and made the entire global media look like idiots? That takes brains.
I was not a Trump supporter during the Republican nomination process, although I supported him over Hillary. I recognize, however, that too often "idiot" is used in politics as a synonym for "anyone whose policies I oppose", regardless of that person's actual intelligence. Only an idiot would call Trump an idiot.
astronautdinosaur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't start his business, he inherited it from his grandmother and father. Plus he also got $100M when his dad died. Most billionaires started with less than him
Blue_Frost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be higher. He started with a lot more money and was handed the family business. The hardest part is starting the business and creating the empire from nothing which he didn't do.
thisisme5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:42 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't turn a million into a billion why the fuck do people keep saying this? He inherited at least 50m or more.
electricblues42 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:51:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A: He's not a billionaire, not even close and
B: He's got many many millions from his father, that 1mil loan thing is total bs. Plus he lost a fucking billion dollars in the mid 90s. Genius businessman, so genius that he sets up scams like a fake university and sells crappy steaks with his name on it. That's not what real billionaires do, that's what cash strapped morons do.
JontheRooster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:04:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to head back to CTR and reread the script before you make yourself look silly.
Blobbybluebland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forbes estimates his net worth at around $4 billion. If you have a better source, I'm all ears.
Mike312 ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 21:16:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'd say it's a mix of both. He's obviously very charismatic, and having some money to back it up the charisma with connections can get you very far in life.
It's just...the way he throws superfluous adjectives into sentences or says "many people are saying this" or "these people say it's the best" all the time...I'm sure psychologists have a term for those, but it instantly flips a switch in my head that says that this person is bullshitting me.
TOTYgavin ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:55:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To you it flips a switch saying it's bullshit to ALOT of other people it comes off a language simplistic enough for them to understand and it's genuine
HubbaMaBubba ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:39:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alot
fappolice ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:00:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Celiac_Sally ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:15:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hyperbole and a Half makes my heart happy.
cygnenoire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:28:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where oh where has Allie gone? :(
Celiac_Sally ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worry about her sometimes, her depression got really bad there for a while :(
flex_geekin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:55:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's very bad. Very very bad. That in order to resonate with the american electorate you need to speak to them like a daycare lady speaking to the children.
watershot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
could fall under argument from authority and appeal to the people fallacies
Mike312 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean peppering statements with adjectives. It...I dunno, maybe I've just met/known/spoken with too many sketchy used car salesmen.
Celiac_Sally ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:16:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no need to be repetitive
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 00:09:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Incorrect. He inherited the same few million that his siblings did.
He turned that few million into a massive real estate empire worth multiple billions.
He's where he is now because of hard work and dedication. He got off of the ground because of the inheritance and loan from his father.
curias00 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:31:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like Hillary's entire career hasn't been riding Bill's coattails anyway. So annoying.
astronautdinosaur ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:52:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Doesn't Hillary have a Yale Law degree? I know she's part of Phi Kappa Phi too, which requires you to be in the top 10% of your class
e8ghtmileshigh ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 02:14:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet she couldn't pass the bar in Washington
aftokinito ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:36:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet she got kicked out of Watergate for not being professional as a lawyer.
e8ghtmileshigh ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:53:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet she's a sociopathic, opportunistic, power hungry, money laundering, rape enabling, murderer.
astronautdinosaur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:07:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source? This suggests that it was yet another smear campaign
aftokinito ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:17:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
astronautdinosaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People like you are so predictable. Always a downvote yet no counter-argument
From wikipedia
The author's bio:
Yeah just some liberal blogger. Here is another source since you didn't like the other one
aftokinito ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:11:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until you find video evidence of your claims as a direct source instead of quoting the same leftist rhetoric CNN repeats from different leftist propaganda websites, only CTR shills will take you seriously, and only because they get paid to do so (they don't take you seriously either, it's just their job to pretend to it).
astronautdinosaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:31:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The burden of proof is on you. She's not guilty until proven innocent, that's not how it works. Everything I've read says that Jerry Zeifman, which is supposedly the person who fired her, had no authority over her. She also wasn't let go until after the whole Watergate thing ended. Even the CATO institute, a libertarian think tank founded in part by Charles Koch, doesn't object to this.
astronautdinosaur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:00:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was Yale actually, and she failed it the year she got her JD (1973). She ended up staying at Yale doing post-grad study and published a highly-cited law article the same year.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill would've been a one-term governor of Arkansas if it weren't for Hillary.
curias00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:11:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay fine whatever. Either way she's #NotAPresident
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curias00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You still wearing Jncos, man? Calling grown men "B". Lol silly little guy
astronautdinosaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was given control of the family business in 1971, which he renamed The Trump Organization. Sounds like his grandmother is who started it all in 1927.
In terms of inheritance, he got $100M when his dad died in 1999, although he was already a millionaire by then.
el_loco_avs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also got bailed out by his dad several times with illegal loans as late as the 90s...
DickieDawkins ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:42:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't inherit billions. He inherited 1 million dollars, which is about the total cost of what I'm going to need to open my business.
Not sure if you realize this, but a billion is one thousand millions.
deltarefund ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Laughing at this math lesson.
DickieDawkins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It baffles me that people can talk about him being "not a great business man" but not recognizing the magnitude of difference between 1 million and 1 billion.
deltarefund ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They say he's not because he's had failed ventures. But when you have as many as he does, some are bound to fail.
Xearoii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can turn 1m into 3b? I'd like to see you turn 1k into 3m.
_MUY ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:51:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really how it works. Have you ever heard the expression "the first million is the hardest"? Donny was given something in the vicinity of 6.7โ7.1 million USD adjusted for inflation, in addition to free schooling, opportunities to avoid the Vietnam War draft, private business support from his father, his father's connections, etc. Being handed all that is like being dropped off by helicopter at the finish line of the qualifying round for a marathon.
While it's certainly not easy to take $7 and turn it into $270, it's a lot easier to do when everyone else is working with cut up penny slivers.
Xearoii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:10:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol definitely not THAT easy.
RLutz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
40 million dollar inheritance in 1974 invested in index funds is worth around 2.4 billion today. Not that difficult to make a fortune when you start with one.
fikme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:07:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like you are repeating slogans .. he didn't inherit 3 billion , he worked to get there.. I don't know why people keep saying one statement they heard and just repeat that without investigating
RLutz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you take a 40 million dollar inheritance in 1974 and just invest it in index funds, it's worth 2.4 billion or so today. Easy to make a fortune when you start with one.
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you also factor in risk ? Or global crisis when people lost their investment net worth ? It's not as easy as you are claiming
RLutz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:15 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, but it is. Good for him for trying to start up businesses, but it's just math. Literally doing nothing other than investing that amount into index funds, we're not talking day trading, would have resulted in that much wealth.
Dynastic wealth is a very real thing in the US.
neosituation_unknown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is pure fiction. He got a substantial loan and then multiplied it upon multiplying it. Peddle your delusions elsewhere.
curias00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Salty ass Hillary supporter?
RLutz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck no. It's just a bit crazy to me that people don't understand just how powerful compound interest is. A 40 million dollar inheritance in 1974 simply invested into index funds is worth 2.4 billion today. It's really not that difficult to make a fortune if you start with one.
curias00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:35:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, if you invest all of your money and it sits for 40 years, how would you live like a king for those 40 years? What would you build? How many people would you employ?
Regardless of what sound investing does for you, doesn't mean people will be able to lay off that money, or put it to good use building an empire.
I don't totally disagree with you, I just think anyone who doesn't think he's achieved anything is kidding themselves.
CheeeeEEEEse ยท 3287 points ยท Posted at 16:36:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He showed up at my cousin's sweet 16 party roughly 7 or 8 years ago. It was at a ballroom at a golf club he owned. He walked in, and took pictures with us for maybe 10 minutes. I doubt he actually needed to do any of that. Seemed like a pleasant enough guy.
EDIT: Since ya'll seem to be focusing on the 'creepy' aspect of it, I'm male, most of my family was in attendance (including her parents), and it was more of a check-in/meet and greet to see if everything was alright. This was also in the first couple of seasons of The Apprentice so to see a guy from TV as well as whatever else Trump was at the time was impressive.
Side note: When I was leaving I saw his Rolls Royce (Completely white, which was not to my taste), and I only remember it because it had Florida plates (and this club was in New Jersey) which was probably for one of those snow-bird type tax reasons.
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DolphinSweater ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 20:50:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really disappointed in how nice Donald is coming across in all these stories.
Fiscal_Pie ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 21:19:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering he'll be my president in about a month and a half it's actually making me feel a little better.
seign ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was starting to feel better once he toned down his rhetoric after the election. Then he started making appointments and now I'm back to square one. A few anecdotes on reddit isn't alleviating any of my fears.
ComesWithTheFall ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:19:56 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop watching mainstream media and ignore the CTR shills at r/politics. Your fears are being impressed on you.
a3wagner ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 22:21:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people, as it turns out, aren't evil.
thirdfounder ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 22:39:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Despite what the news media would have you believe.
ifistbadgers ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:18:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a good way to be on the right side of History, if CNN is telling you something, it's wrong. 1+1 = 2? Not if it's fucking Don Lemon.
Jmc_da_boss ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 22:20:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why disappointed?
DolphinSweater ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:28:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I just want to hate him.
2muchcontext ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:37:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you're honest.
z64dan ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 22:00:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is, there are tons of stories of how terrible Hillary is in person. Like, a secret service guy wrote a whole book about it. Apparently Hillary didn't want to see any secret service staff in the Whitehouse while she was first lady, so they would have to hide behind curtains when she walked by.
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 22:27:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple secret service guys wrote books lol
a3wagner ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:22:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What book, if you remember?
z64dan ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crisis of Character
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/28/ex-secret_service_agent_people_need_to_know_the_real_hillary_clinton_and_how_dangerous_she_is.html
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Count_Zrow ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:09:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the 60 minutes interview he just did and he explains that the word "temperament" was something highlighted upon by advertising agencies that worked for the Hillary campaign. They actually get paid huge sums to come up with catchy lines for candidates to use and that was a key term they focused on for Trump, hence why it was CONSTANTLY repeated probably more than any other word in the entire general.
z64dan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:09:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She maybe should have hired them to come up with better slogans.
Stronger Together? What
Count_Zrow ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:29:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't think the slogans were the problem as much as the candidate herself. She just trained her whole life to lose to a guy with 18 months experience and historically low likeability ratings despite having most of the media on her side.
Resounding failure.
Edit: Stronger Together (meh vaguely communist)
vs.
Make America Great Again (immediate nostalgia boner)
Maybe you have a point.
TMWNN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:14 on March 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explains why her campaign crashed and burned; everyone was afraid to tell her about her mistakes.
madhousechild ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:48:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw an anecdote from a K9 handler who had to clear an area with the bomb-sniffing dog to ensure her safety, and she yelled, "Get this fucking dog away from me!'
The handler went outside, but he could hear her still yammering about it to the Secret Service and staff, really abusively. The handler feels awful and apologizes when one of the Secret Service comes out, but they just say, "Don't worry about it. We get that all day, every day."
I can't fathom how anybody near her stays loyal to such a witch.
dafuq0_0 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 10:56:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya know I've never had a real basis for disliking Clinton but she simply comes off as disingenuous. I hate basically everything about her demeanor and shes just not likable. So thanks for solidifying that.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 22:45:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather work minimum wage cleaning toilets than have someone make me hide behind a curtain at my job.
Mic_Check_One_Two ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:36:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but this is just plain hilarious to me. I can't stop imagining some salty secret service member hiding behind a curtain...
"God damn it. Four years in the marines. Five in the Secret Service. I'm on the goddamned presidential detail... And I have to play hide-and-seek with some dried up cunt who is so nasty even the POTUS is willing to risk his office to get away from her."
Mycoxadril ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:32:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this should be the next Ask Reddit question. Lets get the real stories. But I would be she insulates herself, whereas Donald has interacted with more people through his business.
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instantrobotwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he has put seriously evil people in places of power, who have promised to disparage and harm people on his behalf. If he's such a nice and chill guy, why would he do that? I seriously don't get it unless it's 7D chess again.
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instantrobotwar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because of the terrible things that they've done. I don't agree with economic conservative policy but it's fine to have that view, however, conservative social policy has become a banner under which a lot of terrible things occur in the name of religion and racism.
The terrible things that they have done to disparage people (gays, blacks, poor people) and line their own pockets while harming the public at large (wall street, big oil, big pharma, increasing the class divide, etc)
To name a few, mostly Pence (vise president):
I've taken a new stance and tried to be seriously respectful of people even if they show me none (such as my conservative parents). But this forcing of religious, racist and science-denial views on people that don't want it, and deliberately harming people because 'they should be punished for sins', while the same rules do not apply to them, is a scourge.
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instantrobotwar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Someone who has the power to do good, and instead lets bad people do bad things, seems pretty evil to me.
Slothmaster222 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:50:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With trump its always 7D chess
mulduvar2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:50:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep hearing this but I'm not sure who. I hear the briebart guy but all I know is that he runs a news network
Sauce?
mousylion ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 23:32:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The bigger issue is the undeniable validation of ignorance his election has created. There have already been physical, verbal, and psychological attacks on innocent Americans by his supporters this week. Trump said "stop it" but pretends to be aware of it in the first place.
natedogwithoneg ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:37:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And there haven't been those same sorts of attacks by supporters on the opposite side since well before the election and continuing through now?? People from BOTH parties are too wound up and doing ridiculous things; you cannot cast a light on one side and not the other.
mousylion ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 23:46:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I don't condone the Hillary supporters, their anger and vitriol will die soon enough. There's no kindling for the fire, just tinder. Racism, homophobia, and misogyny are ancient evils and have only been strengthened.
biggunz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:00:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just gets easier to spot the ctr
mousylion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As hominem. I'm a moderate republican who voted for Romney and Bush. I don't like Hillary but Trump I would rather four years of the same shit and a better GOP candidate in 2020.
ComesWithTheFall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:37 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, people aren't falling for the waycis argument anymore. The real racists and fascists are on the left.
mousylion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:51 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think that way?
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mousylion ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not reading what I'm saying. I'm not excusing nor denying the violence on both sides. But the thoughts that guide the acts aren't equal.
The violent liberals are upset about the election. Their rationally afraid of the rhetoric, but are acting irrationally.
The violent Trump supporters are thinking and behaving irrationally, and their vitriol won't die with the passing of time.
AllMyDays ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:23:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen reports of many false flag "Trump supporters" doing bad stuff and then a few days later it comes out as being false. Meanwhile I see actual video evidence of a trump supporter being beaten up and its not shown in the mainstream media.
Heck a few days ago 2 jewish students were caught spraying swastikas and white nationalist slogans along with MAGA to frame Trump supporters.
Luvke ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 21:36:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not. I've never really questioned that he's probably average, if not pleasant, in personal dealings.
His rhetoric, policy, and public record are all what bother me. I don't like candidate Donald Trump, politician Donald Trump, persona Donald Trump.
As a person you'd have a drink with? Probably perfectly polite and decent.
Not the same as a good President; fairly superficial, relatively speaking.
EyesOnEverything ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 21:46:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah jeez, it's Dubya all over again
dis_is_my_account ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:22:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced it's going to go on forever with every president. Well, every one in recent memory. Right now, everyone would have a beer with Bush, Obama, and Trump. Next election or maybe the one after that when there's people on Reddit too young to remember Bush, but old enough to vote, everyone will be saying they'd have a beer with Obama, Trump, Next President with Bush not even in their memory.
N0ahface ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:47:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Obama is a little different. He seems to be hated about equally to Bush politically, but way more liked as a person.
madhousechild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It goes beyond just polite and decent. I heard another anecdote on youtube about how he visited an area for some reason (not sure when but I think well before candidacy) and then in a follow up call he is told that someone he'd met is closing their factory because of overseas competition.
He immediately contacted the factory and took out a contract for his hotels to buy appliances from them, keeping the factory open. He really does care.
Octavia9 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:39:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...don't be disappointed. Consider that maybe the media presented him as a villain and that possibly we have a nice man as our next president and not a villain. I'm trying to have an open mind about him.
madhousechild ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:44:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't going to want to hear this:
Once he was on Howard Stern, and I forget if a lady called in or Howard had read about it, but he asked Donald, is it true that once your vehicle broke down and, to thank the couple who picked you up and helped you out, you paid off their mortgage?
And Donald confirmed it.
apocalypse31 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:43:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May I ask why? Why would you want someone to be as bad as you expected instead of be excited that they may be a good person?
I feel like this is the problem with this election, people wanted the other side to fail instead of wanting all sides to succeed.
DolphinSweater ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twas a joke.
Sinikal12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you're serious
Mic_Check_One_Two ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disappointed? Considering the fact that he's about to be the goddamned POTUS, I'm glad to hear that he's apparently very personable. I'd rather have one who is likeable, even if I don't agree with all of his ideals.
DolphinSweater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, dude, I was being somewhat facetious in my comment.
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DolphinSweater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:41:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we can't all be as enlightened as you. It was a joke, you're obnoxious.
superattune11 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:38:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's because no one in these comments is one of the thousands of people he's stiffed out of payments.
DolphinSweater ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but, don't you know money isn't everything? /s
vampirelibrarian ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that most of these stories are meaningless 2-second encounters. Not knowing him for any real length of time and not interacting with him about any controversial issues or real policy issues. A crazy person is also able to have a "normal" meaningless conversation for 2 seconds with a stranger before walking away. A racist might shake your hand in person and lock their doors as soon as you turn your back. Or build a wall.
FUworldnews ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:06:17 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once upon a time I would have called it shocking, that anyone could perceive a random PR-perfect anecdote as a serious reflection on his character, after all the stories from the past have resurfaced about him and his shady dealings and abuses.
But these are people that accept tweets, ads and unsourced tabloid headlines without qualification.
[deleted] ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 21:55:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he showed up there to flirt with the 16 year old probably.
dibetta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey i know that exact car he had, at i might have worked at this course! Was it Colts Neck or Bedminster??
CheeeeEEEEse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Bedminster. I did live right next door to Colts Neck though all through High School.
PrettyDeadAlready ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:44:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similar story except he showed up at the wedding reception of someone I know. He took pictures and joked around with them, was an all around nice guy.
asoneva ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Rolls Royce might have just been a rental, which might explain the plates.
intensely_human ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:16:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
energy low ... must ... must take selfies with teenagers
Breezelikehoney ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:27:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or... He made time for a sweet 16. :(
wyvernwy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, you have photos of yourself with President Trump.
Guerillagreasemonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He seems like a guy that enjoys his fame, probably because it ISNT tied to his likeability.
He doesnt have to smile and do PR things he doesnt want to do so he stays on the A list. Its not a chore for him.
Abimor-BehindYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't grab anyone by the pussy?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CheeeeEEEEse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean "all of them".
jpop23mn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen a question like this get so many positive responses.
I guess charisma goes a long way in people voting for you.
CheeeeEEEEse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I am get upvotes. I take this as a cue to run for president.
redplanetlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:15 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The snow birds I know (I'm Canadian) all have to pay more tax than their resident neighbors.
iMillJoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something sounds creepy about this.
thuja-plicata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strikes me as a little creepy that he wanted to drop in on sixteen year old girls party, considering everything else we know about him.
JFlipout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were lucky he only took pictures
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:47:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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drakeg4 ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 21:03:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
TBF Trump literally owned the establishment.
Imagine if you're at one of Gordon Ramsay's restaurants and he comes by to ask you how your food was. It's a nice gesture.
That said, if you're a celebrity, people idolize you, and you're used to people wanting pics with you/autographs/etc. There's nothing wrong with being the one to make the effort to brighten someone's day by visiting with them.
UnsinkableRubberDuck ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:27:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I can agree with that. I guess it's good for them to appear to be a fun person, sort of like making sure people think you're cool and go to your shows or movies.
If I were in Ramsay's restaurant, i wouldn't be surprised for him to come by, just like you see people post pics and say 'Look who photobombed our wedding pics!' and stuff too. It's neat, but like I said I'd make a terrible celebrity cause I'd never do that.
sumguyoranother ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:57:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm pretty you can too if it's your passion. Can't speak for trump since I never met him, but met plenty of chefs and artists, the quiet ones are really quiet until you hit one of the few buttons. It's like someone is enjoying something you REALLY love and your normal switch gets ignore and you geek out. At least that's how it's in ramsay's case if it's to be believed (had someone I know see him off camera in singapore just enjoying the food and blubbering about it)
UnsinkableRubberDuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda sweet actually. I do have my passions that I love to speak about.
Caststarman ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:57:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then they probably wouldn't have the party at a ballroom of a Trump-owned golf club...
HatesWinterTraining ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that's true of some. Like Justin Bieber randomly wandering into some school in London unannounced a few weeks ago. This just sounds like good hospitality given it's his club. Assuming he didn't just stride in going "OK! Photo time, let's get this moving, phones out everyone!" while some kid's in the middle of opening his gifts.
Dawidko1200 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess he was searching for a new wife? Or a backup wife in case Melania didn't work out.
Jack_Burton_the_2nd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy! I think I did the lights for that party.
I've told several people about him and his friends showing up early and talking about all the "talent" they expected to be there.
[deleted] ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 20:46:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:09:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be around 16 year olds without it being sexual.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't mean he wants to fuck 16 year olds.
kyew ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:14:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's not the question. Can *Trump?
bugbugbug3719 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids don't change clothes during a birthday party, do they?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can he what?
kyew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can Trump be around 16 year olds without it being sexual?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i dunno
iwannaart ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:58:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are projecting creepiness, which says more about you than anything. There is not near enough context to even begin getting the impression of anything creepy.
TDenverFan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:45:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IDK. Trump owned the place, so I don't think it's odd. Like someone else said, if Gordon Ramsay stopped by your table while you were eating at one of his restraunts, you'd be flattered and excited.
sumguyoranother ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:58:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's you
ms_hyde_is_back ยท 9202 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in darker days I worked for a Chick-Fil-A in California. I was working the drive through and took an order from an obvious chauffeur driving a one of those black livery sedans. When he pulled up to the window, he handed me exact change, then pulled forward a bit when I went to hand the food through. Mr. Trump lowered the back window, took the food, and said, "Thanks very much." before they rolled away. I was pretty surprised.
accidentalchainsaw ยท 4276 points ยท Posted at 16:42:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Actually if you ever read his autobiography (my dad did) Trump is a bit of a germophobe. I think he gives exact so he doesn't have to take anything back. Sure he could spare the 0.50 if something was $9.50 and he handed you a 10, but then he'd have to be known as the guy that tipped $0.50 from a limo. Or be known as the guy that takes change back and doesn't tip.
Not_Allen ยท 1655 points ยท Posted at 17:01:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so confused as to why he would use cash at all. If I were rich (talking like Oprah rich, not like pro athlete rich), I would have one high-limit crest card that my accountant pays the bill on. Then money literally means nothing to me. I just swipe this card and people magically give me whatever I want.
I wonder if it's just a generational thing, or if he doesn't ever want to be removed from things costing X amount of money.
djkw418 ยท 1267 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Could be generational - but a lot of places, especially drive through - you have to hand the cashier your card... If he's a germaphobe - handing your card over and receiving it is 100% disgusting.
Then again it's his chaffeur handing over the cash.. so who knows.
Edit: got it. Money is dirtier. Thought exchanges were bad period.
fapcitybish ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 18:09:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd assume his chaffeur is more "trusted" if that makes any sense? Like if someone comes over to my house, I'll give them a special "guest" glass for their drink or whatever, but I don't care if my brother or whoever uses the same glasses I drink from.
gottaBsodomy ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:41:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Why?
bitter_cynical_angry ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 21:08:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it were rational, it wouldn't be a phobia.
Brackenside ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:06:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sharing glasses with visitors is a phobia? Dammit.
bitter_cynical_angry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:08:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Do you have a rational reason for not sharing glasses with visitors?
Brackenside ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:26:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Germs :(
Phapples ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:52:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying "Germs" doesn't make it rational, there's basically zero possibility that anything bad will happen from giving someone a glass then washing it and using it yourself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you have germs in your family, you'd probably have a resistance, so outside germs could be worse?
Phapples ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:11:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it's still a 0% chance of anything bad happening as long as you wash your glasses between uses.
csbob2010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention if you are using a dish washer, that water gets hot enough to kill most bacteria on its own. Even if its from tap it will kill them if it is over 110 F.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:26:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you know how that person is / where they've been. His brother might be very clean like him and wash his hands thoroughly, whereas a cashier at McDonald's could've shat 5 minutes ago, wiped with their hand and then held your card.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:39:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have worked at McDonalds. This is not too far from the truth.
gottaBsodomy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I should have been more clear, I meant having separate glasses for guests.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dishwasher
forgotacctagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Won't handle cash touched by other person, eats food prepared by other person...
fapcitybish ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite sure. Maybe it's because I know he isn't eating his shit or something lmfao
milolai ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:13:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think it's more 'why do you have different glasses for guests vs. family'
everyones place i've ever been to as one set of glasses.
gottaBsodomy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:55:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right I just have glasses. You want a drink grab a glass.
josecuervo2107 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:13:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have some old metal glasses in my house that we love using. When we have guests we use the glass glasses instead. The metal glasses are old and have taken a beating so that's why we don't usually give them to guests unless there is a degree of closeness with them.
hookyboysb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the guest set is just an old set?
longhairedcountryboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More likely the new fancy stuff. My mom used the old stuff every day and broke out the nice new stuff if we had company.
FourDoorFordWhore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rofl wtf
Consanguineously ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
stranger = unknown, possibility of carrying contagious illnesses
familiar people = known and trusted, more comfortable with them and less suspicious of them carrying a disease
this is the basic logic in the irrational fear
B0ssc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting that ethnic othering is typified by the trope of 'clean' v. 'dirty': so you have themes of e.g, 'they eat dirty food' or in Nazi Germany, the killing in shower or bathrooms.
GameOfThrowsnz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:22:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just have one glass. Guests use the toilet.
copaceticsativa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
am I supposed to have special "guest" glasses?
Warphead ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So guests get the cootie glass?
fapcitybish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely.
ffxivthrowaway03 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:55:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His chauffeur is also likely wearing cotton gloves as part of the uniform.
tacknosaddle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should assume that his chauffeur is armed and actually part of security if he was the only other person in the car.
travisd05 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:47:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know you can wash glasses, right?
jpounders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You, sir, are strange for that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has his coins polished
3ds_max_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how do you get the glass clean to begin with? Why not use that same process?
tchoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Is this a thing?
Why do you care if someone drinks from your glasses? Don't you wash them?
PabstyLoudmouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? If it is washed, what is the difference? What the hell do these people do at a bar?
Clantron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:58:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not clean your glasses properly? If they're getting sanitized then this is pretty irrational
chrkchrkchrk ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:30:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dude is 70 years old, I'm surprised he doesn't pay by check.
donteatacowman ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 18:13:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I have OCD and have had a huge problem with germs since I was little. I much prefer using a card to using cash. Money's much dirtier and you don't know where it's been, unlike a card.
And from my own experience--I'm fine with shaking someone's hand, even. I just have to wait for a moment to steal away and sanitize / wash my hands discreetly. I keep a bottle of germ-x in my car so I can use it, and of course I always do before eating food. I'm sure not everyone's germ phobia manifests in the same way but...
edit: ama
PostingOnAcid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:39:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you find that you get colds less often than your peers?
donteatacowman ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:51:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I think I get sick more often than is normal. It could be that I've lowered my immune system by abusing antibacterial soaps so much... or it could be a genetic predisposition that's unrelated.
I'm not worried about getting sick, it's more like I can "feel" the germs and invisible particles of matter (eg someone might not have washed their hands after using the bathroom so there's a strong possibility of minute pieces of feces existing on this dollar bill) on me and it's very unpleasant.
ConnorCG ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:47:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clueless person here. Have you tried getting help for this in some way? Does help exist?
donteatacowman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:50:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Help exists! There's a lot of options and I've tried most of them--medication, cognitive behavioral therapy, mindfulness therapy, exposure therapy.
Nothing's helped me eliminate OCD, but it's helped me understand how the disorder works and get the anxiety down to manageable levels. It doesn't impact my day-to-day functioning much at all; it's just an obstacle I need to work around.
altered_state ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:49:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My psychiatrist doesn't think I have depression.
I don't think I have depression.
Nonetheless, he prescribed me an SSRI, Zoloft, for GAD and OCD. 100mg/day, for almost 5 months now, has done me wonders. No more flickering lights relentlessly or messing with the oven knobs for a minute straight before heading out the door.
PostingOnAcid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for explaining. Sorry for what I assume is a constant unpleasant feeling.
donteatacowman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's anybody's fault, it's mine. Thanks :)
PM_ME_plsImlonely ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a cashier sneeze directly on the palms of her hands then start picking up my things to ring them. I said no thanks and left, now I am extremely bothered by people touching food items to ring them. Normal stuff I don't care, but for snacks at a convenience store I hold the barcodes out nice and visible. They often still try to take them and get mad that I don't want them to, like they can't just pick up the gun and scan it they have to verify that it is, in fact, an object. It's infuriating but I'm always polite because I know it's my problem not theirs.
Cdf12345 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Germ x is a godsend.
Source: I'm immunosuppressed
intensely_human ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if we could hit you with some kind of gene therapy ray on the skin of your hand to make your hands naturally antibacterial?
donteatacowman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Either that wouldn't wind up helping at all (like I said elsewhere, I layer different antibacterial methods on top of each other until I feel clean)--or it would help, but my other compulsions would get worse to compensate. It's happened before.
intensely_human ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of your overall compulsive force is constant, have you ever tried to develop a particularly useful one to monopolize all of the compulsive energy into a single outlet, as a way of draining energy from the ones that interfere with day to day functioning (such as having to excuse oneself just when a conversation is getting interesting, because your hands are still screaming that they're dirty)?
donteatacowman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, not really. That's like... you have a leaky roof, and you're trying to collect all the water in pots. There are ten leaks in the roof and a constant amount of water dripping in them. You can stop up one of the leaks but that'll increase the flow to the other 9 leaks. And you're not going to fix the other 9 leaks by going to the sink and filling up one of the pots to the brim with tap water. Does that make sense? If I don't feel physically dirty but I feel really guilty, no amount of hand-washing is going to prevent my compulsion to pray over and over.
And I don't wind up abandoning conversations like that. I can withstand having a "dirty" germy hand--I just won't touch anything and contaminate it with that hand until I'm able to wash up (and I find myself rubbing my fingers a lot, like that's gonna help, I don't know why). It's just uncomfortable, like if you're wearing your shirt backwards. You wanna fix it but you're not going to run off somewhere in the middle of a sentence to do it.
intensely_human ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm a bit compulsive about analogies and there is no simple physical system which has the properties you're describing.
Either the water is pooling in some kind of convex system, and opening the sink reduces pressure on the other holes, or it's not pooling in which case opening a hole will not affect another.
Have you ever tried resisting a compulsion as long as possible? What happens?
donteatacowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was picturing the roof as bowed in a slight bowl-shape, yeah.
Yeah, I've tried exposure therapy. It wound up making me really distressed and unable to touch stuff for a long period of time. I think I cried. I don't remember, it was a few years ago.
intensely_human ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean under another's direction but just under your own. Maybe that's what you meant.
Do you have any control over which compulsions you develop? Have you ever tried to harness it to build new habits?
donteatacowman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was an online study so I was free to choose how/when to do it.
No, I don't, and I haven't.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at a credit card manufacturing facility, and for kicks we would sometimes take off our pants and pretend that we were buying stuff with the credit cards by swiping them through each other's ass cracks. We'd say silly things like "I'll the Rolls Royce, please", swipe, then we'd put the cards back onto the packing machine, and off they went. Since most cards have the chip now, guys at the factory nowadays probably play that game by just sticking the cards in each others asses, rather than swiping.
jose_conseco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should not use hand-sanitizer if you truly are a germophobe. Anti-bacterial soap or bust
donteatacowman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:14:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like I mentioned in the thread, I use both antibacterial soap and hand sanitizer. I've gone through periods where I use one, then the other, then repeat the process until I feel clean. Thanks for trying to make my symptoms worse though; my bleeding hands thank you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried medication? Your solution to bleeding hands shouldn't be finding a place to make them bleed more
donteatacowman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm currently on a high dose of antidepressants. There's not much affordable medication out there that specifically targets OCD because it's more profitable to develop drugs that treat OCD as well as more common issues. I haven't found anything that consistently helps, but I'm still adjusting medication doses.
Honestly, I'm used to it and it's not so bad. It'd be weird if I didn't experience this, and it's usually more of a side effect of other stress in my life. Like, "oh jeez I've been doing a lot more symptoms lately, this sure is annoying."
(And it's okay, I was exaggerating--my hands usually bleed in the winter time because of the dry air + prolonged washing, but the weather's nice and they're doing okay right now. Yay global climate change?)
CurryMustard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Antibacterial soaps banned in US
LoBsTeRfOrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Long shot, but do you have hand sanitizer on you?
Do... do you not...?
donteatacowman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in my bedroom since I have a sink with antibacterial soap 10 feet away, and some clorox wipes on my dresser 6 feet away. (That's probably not safe to use on my hands on a regular basis but at this point it's go big or go home)
The_Josh_Of_Clubs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:07:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question. How can you not be okay with handling money, but okay with eating fast food?
I've worked in that industry, you don't get "sick" days. If you're sick your manager hounds the shit out of you to come to work and guilt trips the shit out of you if you don't, to the point where the next time you're sick you probably will. Based on what I've been told most restaurants seem to operate the same way. Odds are you've eaten a sandwich prepared by somebody with the sniffles more than once.
donteatacowman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sniffles don't really matter to me. Like I said, it's not about getting sick. It's about the sensation of feeling germy. I'd much prefer someone sick handling a sandwich than, say, someone touching their shoelace and then handling my sandwich.
The_Josh_Of_Clubs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the sake of preserving your ability to eat out: never work in any portion of the restaurant industry. ;)
MrLinderman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I wouldn't really want to hand my card to anyone if they knew I was super rich.
Considering I'm a nobody and the lady at the carwash copied my debit card on the dl recently, I'd imagine it would happen to someone like him all the time.
abnerjames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The correct answer
craniumblood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never been through a drive through where I've had to give my card to the cashier. Hell, I work in a drive through. Maybe it's a Canadian thing? Don't know how cards work in America but no one is allowed to touch yours here
djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally Canadian.
The machine is inside, so you have to hand it to them to swipe (the register should be visible). If you walk inside though they do have a terminal for you to swipe infront of you.
Grocery lines though have terminals that you swipe yourself.
Restaurants you still hand to waiter and they walk off with the card.
But thinking about it - outside of dining and some weird setups - you don't really hand your card away anymore.
craniumblood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have an interac machine that's connected to a long wire to our register, we just give it to them in their cars. In dine in places you usually go up to the till and pay or the waiter brings you a wireless debit machine.
djkw418 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty cool, I don't think I've seen it here outside of maybe a tablet someone has in front of you, where they still swipe it.
Our problem is a lot of businesses don't want to update tech / security as it rolls out until they are forced to (and then complain about the costs.. rightfully so, but they also dragged their feet doing it).
Thinking about it - I've been to a restaurant that actually have started using terminals at tables. Of course this is only experimental, and it's one of the large chains, but you can use it to order more, confirm order, and pay whenever you're ready.
Sonja_Blu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been like this for a really time in Canada, I don't really even remember when we changed to wireless debit machines. Nobody takes your card at a restaurant, they usually just hand you the bill and ask if you need the machine. It's the same for pretty much everything - taxis, delivery food, etc. If you go to a till to pay they either have a machine they pass to you or they have a mounted machine facing the customer where you insert or tap your card.
Valid_Argument ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I assumed too, that he doesn't want people touching his card. The odd thing is he still eats the food those people make, but I guess OCD is weird like that.
djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fast food is delicious man.
CasualFridayBatman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't doubt it's generational, he's a 70 year old man. Think of average people that age at the grocery store, for example; alot still pay by cheque, not wanting anything to do with a debit card, or ATM. Sure, he's rich as fuck now, but those sorts of habits are hard to break.
djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was always rich af...
But thinking about it after posting, it's totally generational to pay in exact change like other stories told... I just find it funny that he goes around carrying pennies, nickels and dimes.
CasualFridayBatman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I agree fully!
blushingpervert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a germophobe, cash is much more germy.
HRHill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you use cash, the government has a tough time following what you do.
zxrax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is the money still dirty if he launders all of it?
-Reddit_Account- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His chauffeur isn't a plebian like the common people.
chancegold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Money is way grosser as it is than a cashier touching a plastic card.
C-creepy-o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not near as disgusting as touch money that isn't fresh off the mint though.
onceagainwithstyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could have your money sanitized
ImagineAllTheKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is my, parents have credit cards that they pay in full every month but still use cash for things under ~$30. While I absolutely hate dealing with cash and will put a 75 cent soda on my card
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is also 70. He probably used to dealing with cash.
modembutterfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy to steal a card number and info. And being so obviously rich, I wouldn't doubt that it happens to him all the time. Hence being reluctant to use one. And the privacy issues, as well, make sense.
uribezmenov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless he pays someone to clean all his money and change before he touches it..
MinionCommander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GIVE CHAFFEUR CREDIT CARD
PAY BILL MONTHLY
NEVER TOUCH POOR PEOPLE
downthehighway61 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they can hand you food and thats fine? As if fast food chefs are soooo hygenic
ahab_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a grown man and have never realized my debt card must be filthy. It goes in ATMs, I hand it over to retail workers...
If there's one thing I learned, is not to go in ATM.
guspaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do credit cards not support Visa PayWave or Mastercard PayPass in the US? In Canada, you don't actually need your credit card to make physical contact with anything to pay at the vast majority of payment terminals.
djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think i commented elsewhere about our tech. A lot of our vendors don't have the up to date stuff, so not everything is the wave over type of device...
And although some have that function now for google wallet / applepay - the cards themselves we get are also old tech...
We only just got the chip and pin tech put in our cards, and it's still slow going because businesses/users dislike it (i personally don't, but "it takes longer" or "costs money to implement new readers" or some random thing that comes with new tech are some of the arguments in the past year with implementation)
guspaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The move to Chip and Pin happened pretty fast in Canada. The three major payment companies (Visa, Mastercard, Interac) forced merchants to migrate by shifting liability for fraud (merchants became liable for fraud if they refused to migrate to chip and pin), and the transition took 4 years, with the liability shift being phased in over the final two.
When contactless payments became a thing, lots of existing machines already supported it, and there was a gradual rollout over a few years. At this point, nearly all machines accept it. When Apple Pay went live 6 months ago, most stores just automatically accepted it since it used the same infrastructure as the existing contactless system, and it looks like a regular contactless payment to the merchant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:49 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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djkw418 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:36 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We do, but not all registers have it. At least not that I know of because I don't have it.
Its advertised a lot (like a special add on) but only specific for a few brands or levels of card, plus Google and apple.. so because it's a select few, not all businesses have it
rr90013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:26 on March 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he has his cash sterilized?
Mdcastle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For people not from the US- in a fast food drive through or sit-down restaurant they don't hand you a keypad / swiper- they physically take your card from you and run it inside.
[deleted] ยท 1299 points ยท Posted at 17:18:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 20:54:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"chick-fil-a is my dirty secret"
honestesiologist ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:21:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not what you have eaten, but where and when can be sensitive informatoin too.
The_Punniest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CNN will do a report on this.
Apexk9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His Wife is making him watch his cholesterol
HanSoloBolo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:05:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On Chick-fil-a and movie slushies?
IAmWhatTheRockCooked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this man is a MONSTER
basskiller32 ยท 208 points ยท Posted at 17:51:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah how else are you going to avoid tax payments when they see no spending habits on your account.
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rareas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:32:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wealthy people don't go to ATMs they use private banking. Which is widely known for not reporting anything and will indeed deliver huge bags of money, anywhere in the world.
fikme ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:09:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who told you this ? It's incorrect ..
asoneva ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He saw how Gringotts works in Harry Potter.
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yeah
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:14:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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OrneryOldFuck ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 21:54:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is probably exactly what he thinks because he saw a meme about unpaid taxes. Also taxes not owed, but normal people pay more in taxes than they have to, right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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sacula ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:26:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off CNN
_MUY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, actually. Most of the high number value cash in circulation is used for money laundering and tax evasion. Give it a listen.
Xearoii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dumb lol
Sons_of_Gondor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tax underreporting works that way. If you claim low income, yet your standard of living appears very high by the amount of possessions you have, or you have very tangible documentation like a credit card statement outlining your purchase history, those observations can be used to estimate how much income you would need to maintain that lifestyle and pay for those purchases.
So if you're riding in a chauffeured limo with a 50k a month credit card bill and claim no income, the IRS will definitely ask questions, especially for a high profile individual like Donald Trump.
Xearoii ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:39:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your an idiot if you think trump benefits from buying chick fil a off the radar with cash
Schnort ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:51:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it is, sorta. If you're living above your stated means, it gives he IRS cause to dig deeper.
Handburn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you do business in cash. Not that an upstanding business man would do that.
lasthorizon25 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you never deposit your cash!
underbridge ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not when thy come from illegal business.
MrLinderman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually tax code that states you need to declare income from illegal businesses.
underbridge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:23:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's nice. I'm sure that people doing illegal things will file taxes.
aftokinito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
El Chapo had so much money that he actually paid taxes because rats would it his stashed back notes.
MrLinderman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should. Tax evasion is what finally brought Capone down.
R_Amsel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:54:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll learn how taxes work once you get your first job
basskiller32 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:19:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had multiple jobs since I was 15 I still don't understand.
Edwardian ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:58:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a LOT of older wealthy people remember the depression times and insist on using cash... could just be that...
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:12:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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along87 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:17:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's 70
naliuj2525 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:21:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The depression was in the 30's though.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:18:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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katiethered ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:22:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he was raised by parents who lived through the Depression and could have instilled "cash only" values in him.
Srslyhammerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
His father was worth
millionsthousands (lol) straight through the depression I'm pretty sure...Edit- I was WAY off... by ten years, he made his millions in real estate during ww2., and supermarkets during the depression, see business career section.
Edit 2 formatting, and to the point I still don't think he was ever worried all that much about credit...
katiethered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well TIL, honestly I don't know that much about his family and upbringing because I've never had the interest. Thanks :)
Srslyhammerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No problem :) I'm the same TBH I just knew his father made ASS loads of money and gave him a large loan to start his business. Everything else I found out while reading that haha.
leelasavage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1946 was after we won WWII. The US was well into a post-war boom cycle.
ih-unh-unh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:27:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd guess the same thing: habits die hard. Credit card usage has skyrocketed over the past couple decades. They used to be such a hassle to have to search in paper booklets for valid numbers, etc.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah but he wasn't raised in the depression era
GarrukTak ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:14:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to assume this is coming from someone who makes the decision every year to pay more than he owes in taxes?
desetro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:14:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maybe more to avoid being track in terms of location. If he use his card it would show up the location of where he is at that exact time.
MarvelousComment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how would that help? is this ironic?
rustybuckets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a lot o chick fil a
CountFarussi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just ask all the other nonprofit multimillion dollar corporations.
taldarus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
exactly. cash is quite.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dumb ass
InsaneAss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't start a tax avoidance scheme. It won't go well for you...
poo_smudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Financial education. You need it.
stovinchilton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is legally avoiding tax payments.
IscoAlcaron ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:35:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy knows
MrLinderman ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:44:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He actually doesn't.
basskiller32 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:58:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy's right I don't.
mac-0 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:13:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"IRS can't track my income if I pay for food in cash"
cquinn5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He could run a private credit card
Alfredo412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the fact that cards are so insecure...I've only had a real debit card since 2013 and I've had to get it replaced 3 times because someone got my card number...even with the chip!
NightPain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if it was this or a depression era mindset that you don't spend what you don't have but my grandfather always paid cash until the day he died.
element515 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This seriously could be part of it. Even if you aren't exactly doing things wrong, no reason to leave a perfect paper trail for someone to dig up and make an assumption.
AberrantRambler ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 17:24:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he's actually a germaphobe, then having you handle the credit card and hand it back to him would be just as bad as not using exact change.
punkr0x ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess money would be worse only because it's gone through who knows how many hands before it even gets to the cashier.
Ms-Anthrop ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:56:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But money is very dirty as well, makes me wonder if he washes his money too.
Vigilante17 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:36:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its called laundering money.
Zantazi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:21:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm sure he's dabbled in money laundering
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can order fresh money straight off the printing press.
Ms-Anthrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? That's kinda cool.
myselfoverwhelmed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you can wash a card, I know first hand just how nasty cash and change is.
d_flipflop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he doesn't have a problem with fast food that was handled by multiple people before being handed to him?
Gamecock28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are somethings that are beyond your control. I just do the best I can in situations like that. My wife gets upset with me when I have to do buffet type functions, or even family gatherings.
drastic-exaggeration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't touch my money but rub those greasy fingers all over my food
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he have his servants boil his change before he used it to purchase his slurpee? And did he make the cashier wipe the slurpee cup with an alcohol wipe?
jojoga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he really is, why would he eat at Chick-Fil-A?
AberrantRambler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To stay away from the gays?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:44 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think if he was a germaohobe he probably wouldn't eat fast food. Not saying fast food is germy but the the mystery is still there.
Fearmadillo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bacteria adheres to plastic to a much lesser degree than it does to cash. I dunno about coins though
Level9TraumaCenter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The oligodynamic effect is pretty potent at killing a broad spectrum of bacteria; as a result, coinage is pretty "toxic" to some bacteria- but certainly not all.
Fearmadillo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Noted for future reference. Thanks!
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:23:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, with that attitude you likely wouldn't be rich for long ...
Not_Allen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I said only if I were Oprah rich. I'm not saying I would buy a sports car per day just to set it on fire (although Oprah could probably do that with just the interest she makes on her investments).
The post I was replying to was about Trump buying a hamburger. I'm saying if I were as rich as Trump says he is, I would no longer care to waste mental energy knowing how much hamburgers cost. My accountant can always tell me if that's a problem ;)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:51:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
possible reasons:
the clerk will spot your name, write down the card numbers, and go home buying a bunch of shit thinking 'yeah, hes never gonna know'.
if he is a germophobe as claimed he doesnt want people touching his card.
you would be surprised how often you get short changed/ripped off if you ever sat down and did the math on the price and what you got handed back. you might think trump wouldn't care about this type of thing, but if you watch/read his interviews you'll find out pretty quick he's not one to waste money needlessly.
money in an account earns interest, cash does not. if you have cash in your pocket, get rid of it before the money in your account.
sanchopancho13 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:03:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to blow your mind, but... I remember a time when fast food places didn't take credit cards. Could be that the story above is from... gasp... the nineties.
diearzte2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:38:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of New Yorkers still carry cash. They also have a lot of cards, but cash is often just easier in New York and it becomes a habit. Also, when you're traveling internationally a lot, you get used to carrying around all sorts of currency.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
are pro athletes not rich enough to do that?
Slayer706 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even rich and I've already phased out cash almost entirely. My credit card gives me cash back, so using cash actually costs me money in addition to being more of a hassle.
Remmy14 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:30:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will probably get downvoted, but whatever....
It has been my experience that very few wealthy people actually use credit cards. Studies have shown that, the more difficult a transaction is (ie. having to get out cash, count it up, etc...), the LESS you spend. Therefore, having something simple, such as a plastic card that you swipe and forget about, actually makes you spend MORE. How often do you go to a cash register, look at the gum and think, "Whatever, I'll just put it on the card." The term for this is 'friction.' Retailers look to lower friction however possible.
A good example of this is Amazon Prime's 1-Click shopping. This is possibly the lowest friction imaginable. Literally, you are looking at a product, deciding if you want to buy it or not, and all you have to do is move your mouse over to a small button and click it. BOOM, it will show up on your doorstep.
Anyway, back to the point, people who are wealthy do not tend to get wealthy by spending a lot of money. Although the difference between $.50 from the back of a limo may mean absolutely nothing to Donald Trump, a biliionaire, that's not the point. It's the fact that he is that aware of his accounting that cause people to become wealthy.
scientist_tz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're rich and you walk around with body men (bodyguards and guys whose job it is to simply carry your shit for you) you can presumably tell the guy who carries your money to make sure to always carry a range of bill denominations and coins.
toothpuppeteer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If i were rich I'd be buying things that aren't necessarily "for sale". Tipping for various services and the like. Need cash for that.
andrewcpa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fun using cash.
caedin8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who get rich love money and everything involving money. Billionaires won't pass of their finances to other people, that is how they lose it all. They enjoy managing it.
kthnxbai9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit of self taste I think. My ex did the same thing and was quite well off. He just did it out of habit.
CrossBreedP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then you'd have to hand them your card and the person would hand it back. Defeating the purpose.
eseeton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's an old money thing? I feel like individuals with old money tend to use cash.
bertrenolds5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think he avoided paying taxes for 2 decades? He paid for everything in untraceable cash.
spannybear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those celebs don't even have limits on their CC's ridiculous to be honest, but that's the life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Slayer706 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many generalizations...
Also, what do you have against poop people? I know plenty of them, and they aren't poor because they spend their money frivolously. They were just dealt a shitty hand.
myusernameranoutofsp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cash-free payment probably wasn't as simple before, maybe he'd rather pay exact change than have to sign a receipt each time.
Haydens_Army ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen the concept at play- to physically spend actual cash releases an emotional response on some level. A credit card is just plastic and you don't feel the association of your actual money leaving. The rich get rich by not spending their money.
pjfarland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense really. If you're using a card it costs you extra money. Even if you have a card that has no interest on it for X number of days after a purchase, you're still spending time on paying it or paying someone else to spend that time.
tomgabriele ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. I get 1% cashback on everything I put on my cars, and it autopays each month and I don't have to do anything but log in every once in a while to cash out the cashback.
ReimersHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he is a germophobe he doesn't want to touch anything foreign. This would include swipe cards or tap cards that technically have to touch foreign objects.
I know some germophobes, this is their logic on things too.
CaelestisInteritum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So that's what the wall is for.
fbb755 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people don't think that way.
ThrillHo3340 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, Bob Hope paid everything with cheques. No one would ever cash them, because they wanted to keep his signature.
tomgabriele ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am actually kind of surprised that none of the 20 other replies didn't mention this - it doesn't take an accountant to pay your credit card bill for you. It just takes a minute to set up autopay and oyu are good to go.
In fact, despite the "Oprah rich" part of it, I am living your magic credit card fantasy right now.
Ghitit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could go back to the germaphobe thing. Doesn't want to touch a credit card that someone else has touched.
skepsis420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you only buy toothpaste with it?
Banecn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone else mentioned he apparently is a germaphobe so someone else touching your card and giving it back might trigger that. Not sure how you balance being a germaphobe and eating fast food though.
rustyzippergriswold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might have his cash laundered.๐ And the credit card has to touch the cashier.
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silentdragon95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't even have to be rich to do that. I'm very far from being rich and I pretty much never use cash anymore.
I'm actually pretty sure he's doing it for privacy reasons.
Kinzuko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
having cash in your hand makes you less likely to actually spend it. with a credit card your more likely to splurge. if i was wealthy i would probably do the same
JonathanDnD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MonkeyDust69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the fact he is a germophobe is probably why. I mean if he pays in exact change so that he doesn't get money back, why would he use a card that everyone touches and gives back to him? That's just my guess though, I could be wrong.
Loud-N-Slow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because if he was a germophobe it would mean cashiers would be handling his card and giving it back to him.
ach0012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people that are rich do a great job of tracking EVERY expense. You don't get to be (and stay) a billionaire by being careless with your money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you don't always get to do the swiping. Especially in drive-thrus, you hand the card to the employee.
Now I don't know how familiar you are with fast food drive thru employees, but there are stereotypes going on there, and your comment's parent comment did call him a germophobe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His credit is so bad any card he has probably looks like this: ะัะตะดะธัะฝัะต ะบะฐััั ะ ะพััะธะธ
dirething ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some folks take the petty cash concept categorically, my dad is like that, he never uses a card for things under $100
Zhang5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If people are correct he's germaphobic then he would not want to hold onto a single piece of plastic that gets handed around a ton.
baker2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then again, think about it. If you're a sales person/food worker, and someone hands you a credit card with the name "Donald Trump" on it, and that person is NOT Donald Trump, then you'd be inclined to ask for ID. I mean, if you do your job right.
techmaster242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he runs a business where all of the transactions are paid by cash. You know, like a ... uhmmm... car wash. Yeah, a car wash.
Glassclose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
think of how many times you would have to give your card away to complete a purchase, now think of all the scammers who work in positions just so they can target creditcards. I don't know how much more security rich people have on their cards but either way it would probably be a hassle if someone card your card info I would image.
Galalithial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the germaphobe thing. Hand them a card and get it back after they have put their hands on it and run it through their card reader that's sitting in a fast food establishment.
loudsex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To avoid having his money stolen through fraud. His debt card would say Donald Trump right on it, and could easily be compromised. FDIC only covers a certain amount with fraud, and in comparison to how much money he has, that amount is very low.
texasauras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you don't need to be mega rich to use a credit card as your primary form of payment...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get rich with such a nonchalant view of money. That's a big part of it.
Zahilin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sometimes cash is just easier
noburdennyc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone takes cash.
mloofburrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's say you're a germaphobe. Do you want to give a card to someone and have them hand it back to you with their germy hands? No, you want to hand over money that only you have handled to this point (read: sterile money) and get back nothing. I think it makes perfect sense.
leviathan908 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oprah rich is pretty rich. Most pro athletes go bankrupt pretty quickly.
AmerikanInfidel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because then people would touch his card and hand it back?
Exact change means less contact?
Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is definitely closer to athlete rich than Oprah rich. Most of his assets aren't liquid.
fritopie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most rich people have lots of money for a reason... they know how to manage their money and they keep track of it. Yes they have accountants and people who invest their money for them, but they are usually pretty involved to make sure it's going the way they want it to and to make sure no one sneaks off with any of it. If you just spend without paying attention, all that money is gonna go and fast. If you just have other people managing your money and you don't look at it at least occasionally and keep up with it some on your own, they're likely to take advantage and there goes half your fortune. Cash is also a good way of keeping track of your day to day spending. For most people, putting it all on a card can get out of hand without even realizing what you're doing. Using cash for almost all your purchases is a really good way to start out when you're first trying to budget and get a handle on your finances.
david2278 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a psychological difference between swiping a card and seeing a 100 dollar bill leave your hand. You tend to spend less when you pay in cash.
Probably not why HE does it, but I'm sure many rich people use cash. You get rich by not spending it all. After all, what does income mean if you just blow it all.
Wu-Tang_Killa_Bees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on how long ago these "darker days" were, they might not have had machines for cards
laughingbuddhabear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no paper trail for cash purposes.
KhabaLox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The people for whom money means nothing generally don't become rich. It sounds counter intuitive, but it actually makes sense if you think it through. It's the same logic that results in newly rich pro atheletes declaring bankruptcy a few years later.
If money means nothing to you, and you don't track your spending (or at least be aware of it), then the money slips through your fingers like water. If you are conscientious, and pay close attention to what you spend your money on, you tend to not overspend. That second type of person is the one who ends up becoming wealthy simply because they don't spend more than they make.
Spellscribe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of frugal/budgeting advice suggests using cash for things. There's apparently a stronger psychological reaction to handing over money than plastic, making you more conscious and less likely to overspend. Even though he's loaded, he might still be very careful with his cash.
WhiteSkyRising ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure someone worth that much doesn't worry about such financial transactions at all. I'm sure the driver is from a seriously high end company and handles such small transactions indirect of Trump. I imagine he has a team of people making life very convenient for him. I.e. if I pay several $k to be driven around, don't bother me with inane bs.
The400BlowsBlows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then everyone would be touching his credit card. Not ideal for a germophobe.
infuzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does being rich have to do with it? Im not rich and I havnt used cash for 5 years probably except for when Im abroad in other countries.
edit: Im swe, our national bank is even thinking about creating a separate electronic currency since hardly anyone use cash here anymore.
Tocoapuffs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you're not rich.
Ubernicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OR maybe that's why you're not rich?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is actually a New York (City) thing.....it's changing, but it used to be most places only accepted cash (still a number of places like that here).
wycliffslim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have that thought process you never get Oprah rich. You don't become a Billionaire by ever thinking that money means nothing and you certainly won't stay one.
Ijustsaidfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just habit, you use that all your life growing up you want to keep doing it that way.
isuadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cash is King
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad's around his age. He only uses cash, occasionally his CC, but never for a fast-food purchase. Trump is also a famous billionaire so I don't know what other famous people do but maybe they worry about someone stealing their information off a card somehow.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine, if this is true, he doesn't want to have strangers rubbing their germy hands all over his cards. Same reason he doesn't want change back.
three-eyed-boy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure every credit card skimmers wet dream is Donald Trumps card info. Why would he ever use a credit card at a fast food joint?
flexthrustmore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your accountant would have a nice little nest egg in the Cayman Islands if you used that system for long.
oldguy_on_the_wire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not The Donald, nor anywhere near his wealth level, but close to him in age. A lot of us strongly prefer to deal in cash because you get a better sense of money leaving your stash when it actually happens.
(A lot of us also live by the maxim that you should pay for your sins in cash, up front.)
greymalken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how you get cleaned out by shiesty accountants.
-DisobedientAvocado- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why none of us are rich
RowdyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he used a card they would hand it back to him after swiping it, which to a germophobe is the same as accepting change from a strippers snatch
And I wouldn't even be surprised if he disinfected his cash before handling it
Cainga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes the germophobe thing doesn't make any sense if he is using paper and coin money at all. Someone had to have touched it before him unless it just came from the mint. And even still its not like the money is sterilized.
PabstyLoudmouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is why you are not rich, you are not a penny pincher. You have to understand the mindset of most Rich folks, everything they do revolves around making more money.
StoicStroke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
germaphobe... doesnt want to touch the machine or have anyone touch his card.
dmoted ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:09:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw an interview years ago where he said his least favorite thing is when he's just washed his hands and someone wants to shake it.
His hand, that is.
diddy1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's not gonna shake itself.
capnofasinknship ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I read this summer that while on the campaign trail, he stopped to eat at a restaurant and some guy came out of the bathroom and his hands were wet. He wanted to shake Trump's hand. Later, Trump said something to the effect of, "What could I do? I shook his hand and just didn't eat dinner after that" because he was grossed out.
XxsquirrelxX ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:39:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well now we know the White House will be squeaky clean for the next 4 years.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:52:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he was a germaphobe, I'm sure he wouldn't use cash. I guess you could call me a germaphobe, and I avoid cash at all costs. Contactless card is the way forward.
Sw3Et ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you miss the way it tastes though?
marrakoosh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A germaphobe?! Does he know how many germs there are in the average woman's pussy?!
Sparcrypt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:16:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People always say "that's how the rich stay rich", and I think there's some truth to that. Not that they give a shit about fifty cents, but the mindset they have when they deal with large amounts of money just bleeds over.
The person I know who is hands down the tightest I know with money is a millionaire many times over. He will always look for the best deal and always find the way to get things done for a bit cheaper.
But he also bought a house for 35k that was basically condemned, put 75k of well thought out cash into restoring it and then sold it for 1.1 million. So it's a mindset worth having.
So when he argues with the cashier over 4 dollars it's not because he needs the money, it's because that's just how his brain thinks about money.. because this morning he was maybe dealing with 40 thousand, or 400 thousand.
My theory anyway.
turkeypants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little does he know he's been handling my ass pennies.
Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some corporate policies won't let you "keep the change" either. You have to give the person their change.
spike98920 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People that rich aren't rich because pennies mean nothing. They are rich because pennies mean something.
The most wealthy person i knew, wore the same shoes for 10 years. She could have bought a new pair every minute for a whole year if she wanted too. But she pinched every single penny...which is why she had a lot of them
Kwax44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read one of his books in high school, I rember the germophobe thing, in the book he said people should "bow" to each other instead of shaking hands because of germs, lol forgot all about that until I read your comment.
accidentalchainsaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is Trump with a kid, he wants to keep the kid germs far from him. So he holds him like a cat...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgPvoMR-aZo
Lington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But wouldn't all his other cash be just as dirty? I am seeing a trend of him giving exact change based on the replies...but I usually do that as well if I can make the change. I find it easier than stuffing money back into my wallet.
jst3w ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:07:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok. He laundered it all.
turkeypants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh HO!
Nice. Very nice.
accidentalchainsaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but its a mental thing, when you own something it's yours, and its got "your germs". Like when I use my phone all week and never wipe it and touch the screen and eat chips with my hands, I think its ok since I'm eating my germs. But if you give me your phone to scroll around and read reddit, I'd be less inclined to use the same hand to eat chips.
I agree him withdrawing/getting cash handed to him means they've been circulated and dirty. Especially coins.
Lington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But in order to have cash it had to of been circulated or handed to him in some way. My point is that it hasn't always been his cash.
accidentalchainsaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, its all in your head. Humans are weird we rationalize
drod504 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's paper and coin money, it's germ-filled anyway. I know, he should use Apple Pay
charizard77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's another reply in this thread that involves Mr. Trump using exact change, it's probably true!
sunshine_rainbow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read he was a germaphobe on Wiki after he won, I can relate. I'm thinking he has no pets because of his germaphobia.
cattaclysmic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would not wanting 0,5$ be considering tipping? I'd just consider it not wanting to deal with the change. When I say "Keep the change" its because the change is so miniscule that I don't care whether or not i get it back and just want to get on with it.
etherpromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't cash like.. the dirtiest things possible? You know, since money is usually circulated? Unless he's so baller he uses fresh bills each time lol
OK_Soda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow I doubt he cares if he's known for being a bad tipper.
MsKim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I was a germaphobe the last place I would eat is at a fast food restaurant, or any restaurant for that matter.
trippynumbers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When have you ever tipped the person at the take-out window??
huntmich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump = Johnny Gentle, confirmed.
lozzobear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He knows about the ass pennies and he's not taking any chances.
accidentalchainsaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lets just say Lincoln has been in more than one log cabin. And we leave it at that
ExpoZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'm pretty sure the majority of change, other than the newest ones that have been made in the same year, has been in all sorts of places before it becomes your turn to handle it. I feel like its just really hard to evade germs in general unless you just wash your hands all the damn time.
LongSlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the name of his autobiography?
wrongstep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he's a germophobe to that degree, but he'll eat fast food?
aizxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not doubting you or anything, but that doesn't make much sense does it? If he's paying in exact change he's still handling change. Its still disgusting and covered in germs even if another person hasn't touched it in a while. Paper money is the same way.
j00baGGinz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is kind of anecdotal, but a good friend of mine used to work the flight line down at west palm beach international; where Trump bases his 757.
The flight line guys always loved Trump, and he would regularly tip them for fueling services, etc.
Pretty neat.
Aryada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he gets his money first, uncontaminated, directly from the mint?
TradeDrive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is he eating food prepare in a filthy fast food shack made by strangers then?
playaspec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A bit? He's Howie Mandel level.
mully_and_sculder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Germophobe to the point of not wanting change, but he orders food from a grungy fast food place.
Fen1kz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So giving exact change is a germophobe? WTF
mudsling3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda admire this about him...is that bad...don't tell my friends!
_Molobe_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems odd that a germophobe wouldn't take change from someone, but would eat at a random fast food place where the teens making his food probably arent the posterboys of hygiene.
FormalChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it was the chefeur (Fuck it) handling the kidney in this situation.
I'm mobile so Fuck spelling and sensibility.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yo who the fuck tips the drive through guy? You cant be known "as the guy that takes change and doesnt tip" doing drive through orders.
Darkwoodz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A germophobe eating fastfood?
No way
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then he sure as fuck shouldn't be eating fast food!
Negative_Clank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the money he GIVES has been cleaned. Laundered, you might say.
mealzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't expect a germophobe to eat at a drive through chick-fil-a
shredtilldeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. When you deal with and meet that many people you're at a much higher risk of infection. And someone with that many things to deal with, getting sick can really fuck up a lot of things.
madhousechild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, he used to never shake hands but I guess he had to give in when he ran for president. I wonder if he keeps antibacterial on hand at all times.
Queen Elizabeth wears gloves for that reason, but he'd look pretty gay wearing gloves.
kerouak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wont touch change coming from the restaurant staff but will eat the food. I'm no germaphobe but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me
Why_You_Mad_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting that he believes in germ theory but not climate change. Something microscopic, he's afraid of, but something big enough to threaten all human life on earth and it's a hoax.
dangerouspangolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:17 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if he's such a germophobe why is he shaking peoples' hands all the time? I mean from what I read here he seems like a compulsive hand shaker...
accidentalchainsaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:13 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The things we do for money, his ability to put up with handshakes is what separates him from Multi-Millionaire to Multi-Billionaire
redplanetlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:02 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never tip when I pick up food. I tip a delivery guy if I have it delivered but if I have to place the order and deliver it to myself then why tip? Do you tip the cashier at Walmart?
duglarri ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd heard he is a germophobe. And a bit of a Mexicanophobe as well.
johnwalkersbeard ยท 1032 points ยท Posted at 17:14:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And of course you said "my pleasure" because it's Chik Fil A law.
I love taking advantage of this fast food law.
broganisms ยท 691 points ยท Posted at 20:24:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once a Chik-fil-A employee said "you're welcome" after I thanked them for my food and two other employees turned their head so fast I swear they gave themselves whiplash and everyone just stared at each other uncomfortably for a second.
vitamintrees ยท 133 points ยท Posted at 21:42:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They tried to make us do that at Staples and it turned into a big joke. Literally only spoken with heavy sarcasm to customers we secretly hated.
CatLover99 ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 22:42:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing secret about who the employees at Staples hate
TheSpanxxx ยท 206 points ยท Posted at 00:18:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's literally every customer.
andourfootballteam ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:05:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went into my local one for the first time ever a while back. Went up to the service desk and asked the manager a question, about 20 minutes before closing. He looked so pissed that I was even there. I just needed a type of clip, in and out; not like I was gonna be there after hours. I will never go back there. They were all rude.
CantStopReason ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:09:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a staples. One woman hated all the customers. So, we had a big meeting and they talk about how if we go one year with no complaints, we all get $1000. It's kind of impossible cause people are crazy, but the very day of the meeting, the very woman I mentioned earlier got a complaint, and the manager got all pissed off, but he had to know its impossible to go a year without a single complaint in general. She was always getting into it with customers so there was no way it was ever a reality.
B-BoyStance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:08 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A year without a single complaint is the single most god damn stupid goal I've ever heard. Sounds to me like they could've been trying to trick you guys into working harder because they didn't give a shit... or they truly just had no idea how to manage effectively and actually believed in their idea (either or, they did not know how to manage). If management actually thought for some reason that ZERO complaints was a reasonable amount to have and would be attainable (seriously set the benchmark somewhere in the middle of "no fucking way" and "we can totally do this", offer the $1000 or $500 or whatever amount of money bonus, and watch your workers actually work harder because they have a more attainable goal and some incentives to go with it). They wasted their time and their employees' time by ever thinking that would yield a positive result.
Edit: Also, I have a personal vendetta against Staples because they always fuck up my marketing orders and never seem to care to get it right the next time.
captain-jack-h ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:30:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I work there too and was going to say this before I saw your post. Actually, I'm on register right now.
vitamintrees ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:22:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Customer Service, You have a call holding on line one.
Consanguineously ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:16:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's pretty irritating that the company nannies them that much. it ruins even a simple polite "you're welcome" by turning it into a robotic, forced "my pleasure, customer #828425".
Iamabioticgod ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:09:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why are they so strict about it?
LearndAstronomer28 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:15:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm that Chick-fil-A employee
banjohusky95 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 08:07:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got sent home early when I worked at Chickfila for this. I promise you Chickfila is just a Mc Donalds with a lot more drama that's hidden with smiles. Hated it.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:55:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard whispers that if you say "thank you" at Chik-fil-A and an employee responds with anything other "my pleasure", they owe you a free meal. Can anyone out there confirm this?
AspiringProdigy ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:14:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked there for 2 years. Nope.
Xearoii ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 03:42:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Manager at chick fil a. Definitely true here. Always keeps the folks in their game that works here
banjohusky95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:08:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at the one I worked at. Might be a local thing.
johnwalkersbeard ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:28:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
^ cue Judas Priest
"Breakin tha law, breakin tha lawwwww..."
Onespokeovertheline ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:35:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must have really pissed him off.
jkcash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dropped numerous "no problems" and "you're welcomes," at every chance I had (i.e. no superiors around). Mwahaha
whengoodcowsgobad
BeanAnTi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:32 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i worked at a taco bell for a little while, and they have really stupid rules about what you are supposed to say and when too. I had managed a Del Taco in another state, and when i moved, the first thing i could get was bottom rung taco bell. so i took it. you have to greet guests a certain way, answer the drive threw a certain way, and then repeat the same shit at the window. but its not just one phrase, its hello how are you today? thats great, what can i cook for you? its half of a whole conversation. at del taco it was off the cuff, welcome to del taco/thank you for choosing del taco what can we get started for you? that sort of thing. the whole interactions at taco bell are scripted and if you deviate all hell breaks loose. my first day i almost was written up over it. i think it was just because the manager was a psycho
ms_hyde_is_back ยท 550 points ยท Posted at 17:18:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took me a very, very, very long time to get "my pleasure" out of my system. (No puns intended.)
ew73 ยท 481 points ยท Posted at 18:16:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in call centers throughout my 20s. I will still, to this day, occasionally end phone calls with "Is there anything else I can help you with?"
qbedo ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:11:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dealt blackjack in my 20s and to this day I will "clear my hands*" after touching money in a public setting.
*where you clap your hands together and then shake them twice with your fingers spread to prove you aren't trying to palm any of the money/chips
Blacksm1th ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:13:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's hilarious
qbedo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:00:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially at Taco Bell: "Here's your $4.75 (and look, I'm not palming any money)"
Bucky_Ohare ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:22:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prior telemarketer here, and while I like to think I bought that piece of my soul back I still talk on the phone with 'the voice.'
Everyone has a phone voice, some do it subliminally and others intentionally; it's using that inflection, diction, and pattern that makes you sound official but 'friendly.'
'Hi, this is Bucky_Ohare, I was hoping to speak with Mr. Swanson, would he happen to be available at the moment?' All one line, the moment I hear a response, with a friendly but authoritative tone. Every time.
I've received so much crap from co-workers; I never let it drop, even when I know I've called someone specific or I'm calling an internal line to someone I've worked with for years.
johnwalkersbeard ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:32:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I used to be a kickass outbound phone survey dude. Homes, small businesses, giant corporations, I owned them all.
I still have "the voice" too. When I call strangers I usually get that terse, defensive "may I say who's calling" response.
Call centers are the fuckin salt mines, man. Literally everyone is mean to you.
PM_ME_plsImlonely ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:05:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not call center but I have to contact customers a lot for work and my greeting is always "hi $name this is imlonely from $company how are you?" One sentence, no pauses, friendly and official. I find asking "how are you" right away makes them respond with the traditional passive "good," which puts in their mind the tone for the call is good. Seems to work.
Rihsatra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I try to use my call center voice whenever I need to call anyone at my current job hoping it's formal enough that they won't want to call me for help.
g28401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The voice never goes away.
blade740 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:18:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could be worse. I worked in a Disney call center and every once in a while I catch myself ending with "Have a magical day!".
(AFTER they say there's nothing else I can help them with, of course)
halfdeadmoon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:21:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...and DISAPPEAR!"
cailihphiliac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not too bad, just makes you seem eccentric.
salvation122 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:59:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Thank you for calling Term... Err... Hi, Mom."
Like eight years later and this still happens.
theangryintern ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:43:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet that's a bit awkward after using a phone sex line...
12ozSlug ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:14:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You called me, asshole."
chuckangel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:42:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Thank you for calling Dell my name is.. AUGGGH"
-me answering the phone for a year after I left the call center
ew73 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:31:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"No, sir, the service tag is a five to seven alphanumeric code located on the side or back of your computer."
chuckangel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:56:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheers. drink cheers.
Sochitelya ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:01:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I called my grandparents yesterday and left a happy birthday message for my granddad, and had to stop myself from ending with my standard professional 'Thanks and have a good day'.
I also really have to stop myself from automatically saying 'Hi, my name is Sochitelya and I'm calling from [place of work]' no matter who I'm calling.
scraggledog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:26:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in an internal bank dept call centre that advises branches for about 5 years.
Work in a branch now and once or twice called a client and when they answered after a long delay I lost my train of thought and answered as they had called me. That was a bit embarrassing. I also changed banks so referred to my bank as the wrong one a few times in the first few months.
Ihaveamazingdreams ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:24:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at walmart for way, way too long. I still have trouble when people say "thank you" to me. I automatically say "thank you" back. "You're welcome" just feels wrong.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, I used to work in a call center and whenever I'm on the phone I have to resist the urge to say I do apologize" in place of "sorry."
ew73 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:30:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wow, I can understand how frustrating that would be."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol. Similar happened to me one time when I was a teenager. So used to working the McDonald's drive-thru that when I started working at Taco Bell I used the wrong greeting a couple times.
HoinhimeOfLight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IBM/Lenovo?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it was an inbound call center where we handled overflow/after-hours calls for most of the clients. We took calls for everything from Coach handbags to 1-800-MARINES to some small CrimeStoppers groups, etc. All kinds of stuff. Most people would have never known we weren't the client, but in fact, outsourced.
All on American soil, though. Probably not many companies left like that, these days.
Glassclose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the most dreaded sentence, it can open a host of issues they had completely forgotten about until just that moment when you reminded them.
me_llamo_greg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last night my mom gave me her credit card info over the phone and it was an incredibly strange phone call. I was talking to my mom, but felt like I was at work with the cadence of how I was asking for the information. It just felt weird.
marieelaine03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god yes. I have to stop myself from saying "thank you for calling" in a cheery voice lol
1mikeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lowe's?
harleypark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me, especially if I'm tired, it's answering the phone "Thank you for calling $company name$, my name is Harley, how can I assist you today?"
oberon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was working at a call center, I answered the phone at home and had to pause an embarrassingly long time to avoid giving the standard work greeting. It was like my body was insisting on saying it, and wouldn't let any other words out until I did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Current call center worker here. The "bear with me please" is strong in me. It's seeped into my life outside of work.
I_Like_Quiet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hello, may I please speak with ew73?
greebothecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:25 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I quit when I started saying 'thank you' to an ATM.
SignOfTheHorns ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a pretty good habit.
CaptainJAmazing ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:32:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked on a cruise ship where all crew members were required to say hi to every guest they passed. It's been almost four years since I left and I still haven't fully gotten out of the habit of saying hi to every single person I pass. Luckily I live in the South, where this is considered normal.
buttonupbanana ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:42:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work retail and sometimes when I'm a customer in other stores I forget I'm the customer and I use my overly friendly retail voice ("Hey how are you today?" "Thank you very much, have a great day!"). I probably sound really annoying.
75Zack75 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember the girl taking our order at the drive-thru asking my dad "how may I service you today?" I was 17 so my dad felt comfortable making a sex joke out of it. Gotta love the service at Chick-fil-a.
tentativetitle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your comment.
Lady_Eemia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:41:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My pleasure" always gives me kinda skeevy vibes.
Like, I know you're not literally taking pleasure from serving me, and I hate that Chick-fil-a forces their employees to say that. The phrase itself always just seemed creepy to me, and the forcing of corporate to use it makes it creepier still.
If you expect the kid working the register at a fast food place to take pleasure from serving you, you should maybe rethink your priorities.
Nozanan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked at one for about 2.5 years as my first job. I didn't stop saying "My Pleasure" for about 3 years after that.
coolfir3pwnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never worked fast food and I reflexively say "my pleasure" when someone thanks me.
o_O
tatertot255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still do it on occasion, which is nice because 75% of EMS is customer service which I like to think I'm pretty well versed in.
Iamabioticgod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why are they so strict about it?
en1gmatical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still say it like 3 years later.... People actually really like it
Gliste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just jack off
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should change it to "My precious."
redddit_rabbbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still say it; I worked for chick fil-A for a few months many years ago. I don't expect to ever lost the habit!
PabstyLoudmouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't lie, I fucking love Chik Fil A, best chicken sandies and best lemonade on Earth.
babeinthecity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ha!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked for a company that made you respond with thank you after the customer thanked you. Still do it automatically, and it confuses people to no end.
twistedlimb ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 19:28:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i hate it so much. i feel like chick fillet wants them all to be little white robots who speak little white robot talk. they ask if i'm dining in, and i say "yeah for here". if they say "my pleasure" i say, "yeah, have a good one." They're white humans, and they should be able to say what they like.
OmniProg ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:31:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
white?
Fuck_Mothering_PETA ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:54:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not all white you know.
twistedlimb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i've only been to two. one in rural pa, the other in urban philadelphia. the rural one i get it, but it seems really complicated for them to find all white employees in an urban area which is like half spanish speaking, quarter black and quarter white.
-_galaxy_- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:30:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been to Chick-fil-a?
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:50:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah and everyone that worked there was brown
acanoforangeslice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, only white people can work at CFA? I need to call my store and let them know, we're gonna be down to like eight people all of tomorrow. And I better let the store owner know that his sons and daughter-in-law can't work there anymore. We're still allowed to have physically and mentally disabled people as long as they're white, right? Because I don't think two people can run that whole store...
UpUpDnDnLRLRBA ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's fun is to compliment the person at the drive-thru so that they will say "thank you" to you, and then you can say "my pleasure" back. They always get a kick out of that.
LUSTY_BALLSACK ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:50:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy, now I need to say "Your pleasure" before driving away in a drive thru.
Dreamscarred ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know this was a thing... I just started going through their drive through if I'm going out of town, and was always confused by the "my pleasure" response after I thank them at the order screen.
GustyGhoti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I make it a game to be polite without actually saying thank you
coffee_and_lumber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell ex-Chik Fil A people by their tendency to do this at other jobs that don't require it. Plus the near-unhealthy cheeriness that comes with it.
BlueMacaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My record is 5.
cavegoatlove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, I wonder. What other fast food laws are out there?
Mirai182 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CHRIST that brings back nightmares. I remember working at Chick Fil A and having to clean up kids vomit and crap. Parents apologizing so much and I'd be like "oh no worries mam, its my pleasure to clean it up for you--." Then it dawned on my how ridiculous that sounded.
RedditIsDumb4You ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I order twice and ask if they came.
alextoria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same. i have a bunch of friends who work at chick fil a, so i purposely say "thank you" to them way more than necessary.
PoopenHammer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I noticed that they say this at cookout but had no idea that it's also a Chic Fil A thing too.
Do_Ya_Like_Dags_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at a Chik Fil A the other day and the guy who gave me my food didn't say "My Pleasure" when I thanked him. It didn't bother me, but it was kind of amazing.
Stanislavsyndrome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in retail and when I'm out shopping I find myself fronting and rotating stock.
maninbonita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like that rule. Instead of just being ignored and disrespected at Wendy's, McDonalds or Burger King. My Taco Bell just started getting more polite.
holygiraffes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't worked at Chick-fil-a in 8 years and I still say it. I'm broken.
the13bangbang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:23 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Dominos franchise I work for does the same thing. Same guy who did it for Chik Fil A. "My pleasure" is quit awkward when you realize you said it outside of work.
Carnage0223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a chik fil a and I honestly don't even do it when people try to bait me. I'll just look at them and smile and say nice try.
applepwnz ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:22:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, this is the second story in the thread that mentions him making small purchases with exact change, interesting.
manaworkin ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 18:59:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama 2008: CHANGE
Trump 2016: exact change
diddy1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:58:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The CEO sequel
Tbkiah ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:56:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it was his campaign slogan. We must exact change upon the establishment.
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right you are, Ken
JackHarrison1010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would vote for that.
madhousechild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That deserves to go to the front page.
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applepwnz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would actually make a ton of sense.
Iwasseriousface ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:55:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a pretty common way of avoiding a spending history to be used against you in an audit. Him paying in exact change doesn't make sense as a germaphobe unless he's running all of his coins through an autoclave and then transferring them to a sterile dispenser. Dude shakes way too many hands to be a germaphobe, too. I think it's a combination of extreme frugality and preventing paper trails, personally.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How boring are you
applepwnz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I'm particularly boring, but I've literally never met a single person who regularly pays for their purchases with exact change, much less a multi-millionaire.
MacDerfus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How will this reflect on his policies?
HazzMadd ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:20:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the second comment about Trump paying in exact change. Between that and multiple comments describing him as nice but awkward or somewhat self conscious, I'm starting to wonder if the president elect isn't slightly autistic...
kthnxbai9 ยท 498 points ยท Posted at 16:30:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being awkward and paying in exact change are now signs of autism? It feels like he's just a little weird
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TheAngryBrian ยท 270 points ยท Posted at 16:48:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being awkward and paying in exact change is just what old people do.
I was a cashier at a dollar store for 2+ years. It was not irregular for older folks to dig around their purses and pockets for those last two pennies and/or making painfully awkward conversation.
MinotaurWarrior ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:47:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you're saying old people have autism?
RedditIsDumb4You ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:29:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gpa went his whole life undiagnosed until he started forgetting who he was and freaking out. Some quack said Alzheimer's induced dementia. Dude should be disbarred (the doctor version) for such a bad mis diagnosis.
MacDerfus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you call the future president such derogatory terms like "old"
TechnoRedneck ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:19:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually he will be the oldest person to be sworn into office
MacDerfus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No shit? Who did he age out?
TechnoRedneck ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:20:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ronald Reagan held the previous record of 69, Trump is currently 70
cuddlebuns ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:56:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
heh. 69.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but bernie is too old gonna die !1one
frostburner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:23:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he is almost 5 years older than trump.
YouSeaBlue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My husband does this and it drives me crazy. I don't want to be that middle aged couple that always pays with exact change.
RedditIsDumb4You ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell him before he sees with another man taking back change.
nochinzilch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a fun little game, nothing more.
mfarokl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't pay with exact change, you end up with a lot of change back. What then do you do with that? Every now and again I collect it all and buy something with all coins. Exact change at least slows the process down.
MedukaXHomora ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:52:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go look at the symptom list, literally everything is a sign of autism.
kthnxbai9 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:15:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... I don't really see it. And I'm not going to give a diagnosis on Donald Trump based on what symptoms I google. Trump is an old guy that grew up in a world very different from ours. Of course he's not going to seem completely normal to us.
MedukaXHomora ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong I don't think he's autistic either. Just saying you can see signs of autism in anyone going by the symptoms. Having a hobby is a sign, a kid playing with legos is a sign, etc.
InconspicuousToast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can diagnose yourself with cancer if you just read through the symptoms. There's a reason we have professionals to determine this kind of stuff as opposed to letting adults play doctor like they're children.
Neuronut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you're not realizing is that when diagnosing its not just having a hobby. It is having a very narrow hobby in which the person is hooked and firmly fixated on. The symptoms have to be impairing normal, everyday functioning.
frostburner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ASD reporting in, that's sort of right. We have special interests, and will spend most of not all free time doing said special interest. It's not that it invades my normal life and impairs me, but special interests do take up most of our thoughts. Ive had multiple thought invading hobbies, Lego, pens, rubik's cubes, stop motion, etc. I usually do things like that because I don't want to have human contact at that point, and someone bothering me with something I don't want to do gets me really pissed off.
Neuronut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally work with kids on the spectrum everyday. While yes, there are levels of fixation, the diagnostic criteria is that the fixations and other related symptoms impair functioning to a degree. Therefore it is not just a little side hobby, it is a fixation. The fact that you can type this out and express your thoughts on this subject shows that you are more than likely in the higher functioning side of the spectrum. Those on the mid to lower functioning end struggle with communication skills: expressive, receptive, and conversational.
Nomulite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's because everyone is a little autistic in some fashion, it's why its modern name is the autistic spectrum.
MedukaXHomora ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:59:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that logic works for mental illness. If everyone is X than nobody is X because it isn't a deviation, its the norm.
Nomulite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:11:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's when those symptoms hit an extremity to the point where it harms people's social skills, that's when it becomes a disability. Or at least that's how I think it works, I'm not an expert. Feel free to look into it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently anything slightly eccentric = "on the spectrum" and everyone who has read part of an article on autism while sitting in their dentist office is now an expert.
RedditIsDumb4You ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol my mom called me autstic because I didn't care about what she was talking about. I'm just a bit of an asshole. It's not some social limitation I just really don't care.
Spider_pig448 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the Internet. Nowadays, everything is an indicator of autism.
ImpossibleKintsugi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the internet. If they can find any reason to say "maybe that person is autistic" they will. Like it's some kind of badge of pride.
Mithridates12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's reddit, everyone is autistic.
Thorngrove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Tumblr...
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 16:45:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No wonder /pol/ liked him so much
RedditIsDumb4You ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And everyone hates him.
Sweetestpeaest ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:13:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's not autistic, dude.
workingtimeaccount ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:38:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're all gay autistic racist xenophobes on this blessed day.
heyjesu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with paying in exact change? If anything, I'd think it's because paying in cash = no paper trail
etherisedpatient ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but there's a difference between handing over a $20 and counting out four nickels and six pennies.
elZaphod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:39:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's a germaphobe. He has his cash cleaned before he handles it, then pays in exact change to avoid having to receive it from others.
Fredfredbug4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, he's just a little aloof. When you're rich and famous pretty much your entire life it makes your interactions with people a little different.
neoprog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He hates touching people's hands. If he can avoid it, he will. Paying in exact change is a way to avoid the plebs touching him.
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Turius_ ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 16:30:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being awkward and self conscious doesn't put you on the spectrum.
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Turius_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I disagree. Counting out exact change and being awkward aren't prominent traits of autism.
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Turius_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read the DSM V idiot
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RedditIsDumb4You ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then how else will I insult awkward people?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow centipede here. I'd say he's a diagnosable narcissist, rather.
alexmikli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah probably a narcissist or at least acts like one.
snakejawz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is actually kind of ironic, i'm a software analyst and on the AS side of the spectrum.....and it really unnerves me to pay in cash without exact change. i would actually just prefer to card everything and forgo cash entirely.
Toxicitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Others have mentioned he might have adopted the ideas that led to his presidency because he's impressionable.
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dsjunior1388 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:42:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently based on his contractors it's either that or don't pay at all...
FemtoG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barron confirms.
kaukev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard he's a germaphobe. Would describe both things you described:
1) Doesn't want "dirty" change back.
2) Doesn't want his driver or anyone else that isn't a food service professional touching his food - hence pulling forward.
Mostlyuselessfucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. TIL that super normal things are signs for autism from the reddit armchair psych team. How does anyone take this site seriously anymore is beyond me.
a_trashcan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with exact change?
Super_Zac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paying in exact change and being awkward means you're autistic now? Dang I'm glad I'm too lazy to carry change because I'm awkward as fuck.
three-dog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that is quite the conclusion you're drawing
Digitlnoize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Psychiatrist here. I can't comment on Trump or Clinton since I haven't examined them and I have no idea what they have.
I can comment on this type of behavior and how it relates to various psychiatric issues. So:
Counting back exact change could be indicative of several disorders. My short list would include: OCD, OCPD, Specific Phobia (germs but not to an OCD level), and Autism.
Now, Is say that this type of behavior in isolation does not seem Autistic. Typically people with autism don't have the social skills we see in Trump, although he's obviously not perfect.
Clinton, OTOH, does have some behavior that we see in people with autism. For example, people with autism often misinterpret social cues or have abnormal reactions to social information. Also, people with autism often will exhibit decreased empathy and can have kind of bizarre obsessions. We certainly hear a lot about Clinton's trouble relating to others and her lack of empathy, at least at times. Of course, she also does not exhibit the social isolation we often see with Autism, and has been far to successful as a politician to have the disorder, although it is a spectrum and very high functioning people do exist and look very different from lower functioning autistic patients. But it's interesting to consider. I do also wonder about her proclivity for lying and possibly stealing? We see this type of behavior at times where people literally can't stop themselves from stealing or lying. Like, what rich person steals furniture from the whites house as First Lady then steals more as SecState? It's odd.
Again, I can't say that either of them have anything. But some of the behaviors that have been reported we do see often in other conditions. Interesting thought experiments.
ItsBitingMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you should be wondering about, is how many of these comments real and how many are pr
InconspicuousToast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit doctor.. no way! Can you do me next?
detroitvelvetslim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He tweeted a rare pepe on his own Twitter. Is that not somewhat autistic?
RedditIsDumb4You ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really because since he's a normie he didn't know what it was
ThisisDanRather ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:13:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally think he's just nerdy as fuck. Like the grab them by the pussy comment honestly sounds like something someone with terrible social skills would say.
beararmedrobbery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My pleasure"
cdimock72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's chick fil as in California?
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cdimock72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool I always hear that it's a southeast thing and we are always disappointed to see that as you go north the chik fil as become sparse
galacticboy2009 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never knew they had Chick Fil A in California.
As a southerner, it's my favorite chicken-basee establishment.
And trust me we have a lot of those..
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A buddy and I were heading to Atlantic City one time and saw a limo on the GS Parkway with NY plates that said URFIRED. I said that's got to be Trump. My buddy says nah he takes a helicopter to get around. It had to be Trump.
_tomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My pleasure"
orionsbelt05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's with this guy and giving exact change? I'm not complaining, just want to know if it's a habit and why?
BagOfDitkas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But was it your pleasure?
Heiminator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really interesting that several posts in this thread mentioned that Trump paid in exact change when he bought something. I took him for the kind of guy who carries a bundle of Benjamins in a golden clamp
Derhek123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that many stories here mention and discuss the fact that he gives exact change. Is it something unusual in America?
TehChid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's my pleasure."
WILSON_CK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chick-Fil-A is delicious. Why would working there be dark days?
JangWolly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious...what made it "darker days?" Was it California, working for Chick-Fil-A, or some other life thing?
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JangWolly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, makes sense. Thanks for the reply, glad you're past the "dark ages" now.
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ms_hyde_is_back ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As I replied to /u/JangWolly, working fast food is no picnic, and while there were actually some decent people there the owner of that particular franchise had no idea how to treat people like people. Also it was during a period of homelessness and displacement for me, so I refer to the general time period as "the dark ages".
MaleficentSoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chicken too good
elmoo2210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love these exact change stories because I just imagine Trump walking about with coins constantly jingling in his pockets
InternetWeakGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quality opener.
wind_stars_fireflies ยท 8180 points ยท Posted at 17:48:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bumped into him on the street in 2014. I was looking at my watch and ran into him by accident as he was getting out of his car in front of his building. I apologized, he said it was quite all right, and we went our separate ways. It was very civil, all things considered.
nurfbat ยท 1033 points ยท Posted at 19:40:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've got me beat! I ran into Mitt Romney turning the corner 3 weeks ago. Also very polite about it.
Aeehffje ยท 862 points ยท Posted at 21:49:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mitt Romney seems like he'd be a nice guy.
Nackles ยท 488 points ยท Posted at 22:02:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He really does--even when he was running for Pres, I never got the sense he was MEAN, as much as that he just didn't understand the privilege he'd been working with his whole life. And he seems like a loyal, loving husband and father.
It reminded me of that South Park episode about Mormons, where they believe weird stuff (IMO) but they seem aggressively NICE, most times.
QisforMe ยท 222 points ยท Posted at 23:54:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Netflix documentary 'Mitt' shows this really great side of him. At one point in his campaign all of his staff are watching for results and the hotel he's staying in is a complete mess. And while they're rapt looking at the reports he's puttering around the room like someone's grandpa and picking up after them, just straightening and cleaning and making these friendly comments about the people he works with.
It really humanized him for me.
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 01:10:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mitt was a great documentary. It changed my mind about a lot of the things I hated about ol' Mittens, especially in regards to how he acted near the end, despite being behind in the polls. It really pissed me off that he didn't even write a concession speech. Until I saw the video of him puttering around a hotel room saying, "Guys, I think we really need to start working on a concession speech."
Still wouldn't have changed my vote, though.
Dand321 ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 00:00:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You beat me to it. I didn't vote for Romney, didn't particularly like him in 2012, but that documentary shows a completely different side of him. That scene at the end where it's just him and Anne at home, and they look at each other like, "...now what?", was really touching/heartbreaking.
I'm still glad he's not president though.
JaredsFatPants ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 00:49:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but if you could get a one time do-over and they mailed out ballots that allowed you to vote for Romney or stay with Trump I bet you'd be glad he was president.
zombienugget ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 00:59:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would definitely take Romney over Trump in a heartbeat... He's actually the reason I have had good health insurance in Massachusetts for the past several years. Thanks Romney!
WaterStoryMark ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:17:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm intrigued. What did he do there?
StuporMundi18 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:29:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Romneycare. Pretty much the basis for Obamacare but just for Massachusetts.
WaterStoryMark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that's cool. Thanks for the info.
StuporMundi18 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome.
zombienugget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:03 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the difference between Obamacare and MassHealth is the fact that health insurance is absolutely free for anyone under 150% of the poverty level, which I am. I get everything for free - prescriptions and all levels of care, which is awesome. *plus it's been available here since 2006.
Brusswole_Sprouts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Masshealth is the balls
BukkRogerrs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:56:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never even heard of the documentary, but I like that. We need more humanizing of big public figures who are painted into an alienating caricature for us. Not all are good people who can easily be humanized like that, but there's got to be decency in most people that it'd be good for us to see.
swolemedic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:25:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont agree with some of his ideologies but i would argue in terms of being a genuinely good person he's likely at the top of the republican party. Its kinda like how i imagine i would have viewed bernie if i were a republican, you may not agree with him but its hard to say you think theyre genuinely bad people.
BobbaFett2906 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 23:27:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a non-american I wonder why he didn't run this time? Wasn't he great for a republican? Wouldn't he have won?
aznhomig ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 23:56:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually if a presidential candidate loses, they don't run again, because it'll be viewed as repeating a losing campaign once again and not bringing anything fundamentally different to the political campaign that would succeed when the last one had failed.
It's also a very stressful experience and your political enemies will do everything to drag your name into the mud and demonize you, exactly what they did with Mitt Romney back in 2012.
theshoegazer ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last candidate to lose twice was Adlai Stevenson in 1952 & 56. Parties have nominated previous primary losers (McCain lost in 2000, Clinton & Romney lost in 2008, etc).
Last person to win the presidency with a primary loss under their belt? I think that would be George H.W. Bush in 1988, who ran in 1980 before Reagan picked him for VP.
cinepro ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:57:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Nixon! Lost to Kennedy in the General Election in '60, then came back and won in '68. I don't know much about what happened in '68 to get him the nomination and win.
js1652 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:27:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reagan in '76, too. Lost to Ford. Hello Carter!
lambeau_leapfrog ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:11:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Robert Kennedy assassination
"I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president."
cinepro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a Republican though. Those guys were Democrats.
superiority ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The widely-beloved Bobby Kennedy could possibly have won.
And if LBJ had run, he would have had an incumbency advantage.
So both of those things contributed to Nixon's win.
lambeau_leapfrog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TiberiCorneli ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nixon was basically seen as the frontrunner for the '68 nomination to begin with once he got in but he also faced a relatively easy time of it in the primaries (which, granted, in those days worked different to today and were less important). George Romney (Mittens' dad) initially was looking like a strong challenger, but then Romney said he had been duped into supporting Vietnam by using the word "brainwashed" and his support evaporated. Then anti-Nixon moderates and liberals started supporting Nelson Rockefeller, but Rocky didn't formally enter the race until very late, and anti-Nixon conservatives also got in the game too late with Ronald Reagan. Then Rocky and Reagan planned to unite their forces to deny Nixon the nomination at the convention, but the plan fell apart because they were both trying to be the one emerging as the nominee rather than one biting the bullet and agreeing to support the other.
Nixon won in the general by a combination of Democratic disarray and sabotage, and he still barely won. Bobby Kennedy had been assassinated and the other popular candidate from the primaries, Gene McCarthy, was bypassed to nominate Vice President Humphrey (who wasn't even in a single primary race), while Southern Democrats broke to support a third party candidacy by arch-segregationist George Wallace. Even in spite of this, Humphrey managed to rise to a point of looking like winning as the Johnson administration neared a peace agreement in Vietnam, which the Nixon people deliberately sabotaged to deny Democrats a win there.
And even with all that, Nixon barely won in '68. His popular vote margin was less than 1% and he won Missouri, Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, California, Delaware, and New Jersey all by slim margins.
JiReilly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His opponent suffered an unexpected death.
aznhomig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Candidates who lost in the primaries is one thing, that's usually just an intra-party bloodletting, so that's relatively common to see, but to see general election candidates who failed run again in today's day and age is very rare.
I do remember from my U.S. History classes that Henry Clay was just the comeback kid who kept coming back and running for President over and over again. Thomas Dewey was another one, too, but he was primarily fighting FDR during the war years, and later, Truman.
everydaygrind ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 23:34:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea why he didn't run. He would have smashed Hilary. And this is coming from a liberal. Think of all the states Trump won. Now add Colorado, Nevada, New Hampshire at the very least to that list.
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wakeupnietzsche ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 00:19:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part of that documentary is the bit on election night when his granddaughter is updating them on all the different states he's lost. His son snaps at her something like, "You don't have to keep coming in here and telling us that." She seemed upset, and Romney was super sweet to her, saying, "No, no, we want to keep updated, you can come tell us." He seemed like a genuinely nice guy.
everydaygrind ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:49:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does he have to take his family on the tour?
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JaredsFatPants ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:57:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sisters family is like this. She converted. They don't do anything unless it's with the whole family. The bad part is that these kids are so sheltered. They are like 5 years behind their peers developmentally. My 22 yo niece just got her first job and driver's license. My nephew that's 17 can't even microwave a fucking pizza for himself. And my sisters sees nothing wrong with this. I love them but they are so weird I can't hang out with them unless I'm drinking.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:50:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has less to do with your sister's family being Mormon and more to do with them being weird.
Source: am Mormon
JawnZ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:46:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Mormon, seconded. Our children may be "sheltered" in terms of not exposed to drinking, sex, drugs, etc. very much, but LDS youth are generally encouraged to be very hardworking, industrious, and well-rounded.
daveo756 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. Drinking...
IsThisAllThatIsLeft ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually there's a big push in the Mormon Church right now for younger people to get jobs and such. Independence and self reliance are really getting pushed, presumably because of people like that.
DougFane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of monster microwaves pizza?
Prcrstntr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not having a job or not being able to microwave a pizza at 17 is not a mormon problem.
Prcrstntr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not having a job or not being able to microwave a pizza at 17 is not a mormon problem.
riskbreaker23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not entirely Mormon culture. I was raised Mormon and I was definitely not sheltered.
Probably put out into the world a little too soon, actually. But I do know Mormons that shelter their children. It is relatively few, though.
JaredsFatPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:49 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I think it's more like 90% my sister and 10% mormon. She is totally messed up. She hated my mom telling her what to do when she was a kid so she said that she would never tell her kids what to do. Well that's probably why all your kids will eat is hot dogs, pizza, or macaroni and cheese. Kids need freedom, but they need you to tell them to do shit too.
aznhomig ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 23:58:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really doubt Romney would have carried Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania the way Trump did. He would have been viewed yet again as an out-of-touch oligarch that didn't energize the base of people that propelled Trump to victory in those states.
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:11:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a moderate that could have made more of the left afraid of a loss, boosting turnout.
aznhomig ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:13:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This election was all about turnout, and Trump did his part for his side. Clinton failed. Trump is now President.
Anth895 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:34:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Clinton won the popular vote though?
PerfectZeong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Popular vote isn't the game they were playing. It certainly wasn't the one trump played. You can't compare the popular vote and say Hillary won or should have won because the entire basis of the election is to win the college.
Anth895 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just meant that he was talking about turnout and Hillary had a higher one as far as the general public. Not trying to argue for either side.
PerfectZeong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:53 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He means turnouts in given states, the battlegrounds that ultimately decide elections. I voted for Hillary but the popular vote total is largely meaningless
HonoredPeoples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not where she needed to.
Winning big in California doesn't erase the fact that she underperformed in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
On second thought, it kind of does -- Ca has 55 EV and Mi+Wi+Pa have 46. Whatever.
swolemedic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:41:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple hundred thousand votes is borderline insignificant in an American election
ChefBoyAreWeFucked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how your comment relates to mine.
SnapeProbDiedAVirgin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Romney is very popular in Michigan. He grew up in Bloomfield Hills
festerf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:52:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as a michigander, ive never met someone who thought of mitt positively.
SnapeProbDiedAVirgin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprising unless you live in AA, Flint, or Detroit.
festerf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im in metro detroit, so i guess thats why.
Count_Zrow ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 23:56:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he would have probably lost to Hillary. Trump was the only one who could have beat her and it's only because he is clearly a marketing genius who literally wrote the book on how to generate free press. I think a lot of people write him off as this complete dolt who has no clue because of the media persona, but in reality he's probably actually a lot smarter than people think. I often wonder if he depends on people to underestimate him in that way, so he can press the advantage of surprise when you realize "ahh fuck this guy is not as big of an idiot as I thought he was." By then, of course, it's too late and he's already been elected president.
Pressondude ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People wrote off W as a complete idiot too, but he cultivated that persona.
Then when he did smart things it surprised people and make them like him.
xereeto ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:21:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump didn't energize voters, Hillary turned voters the fuck off. Trump actually got fewer votes than Romney did in 2012.
Blobbybluebland ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:37:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true, they're still counting votes and Trump just surpassed Romney today or yesterday I believe.
Count_Zrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the turnout would have been even lower had it been Romney who ran against Clinton this cycle.
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Count_Zrow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't recall Trump doing either of those things. The Obama is a secret Muslim thing was started by Hillary's campaign in 2008.
everydaygrind ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:19:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it fucking wasn't and I wish people would stop parroting this lie.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:21:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's a source to disprove the original post? I remember it going exactly that way.
riskbreaker23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:40:49 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Romney got more votes than trump.
Hillary got only a fraction of dem votes that Obama got. Clearly it wasn't that Trump was a genius it was that Hillary failed to energize the voters.
Sendbeer ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:42:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Romney would have had a hard time getting past the primaries again. They seem to like their candidates extremely conservative. I kind of think that's what really hurt both Romney and McCain in their respective elections. They both had to make moves that made them seem more conservative than they were and were kind of stuck with those positions in the actual election which didn't pay off those cycles.
Larsjr ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:54:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a pretty common technique. On average, candidates tend to become more moderate after they've won the nomination. People who are on the fence politically don't vote in caucuses and primaries. Those with these strongest ideologies tend to be the most politically active. Hence the wall and free college.
HumansOfDecatur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite. If they liked them extremely conservative McCain, Romney, and Trump wouldn't have been elected.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blah, I would have voted Clinton then
WestenM ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:40:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he probably didn't want to, its a fucking stressful experience
ImagineAllTheKarma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not a hard rule but usually people who win their parties nomination and lose tend to not run again. Also Romney was just not a good candidate/campaigner in 2012. He was able to win the primary by just watching everyone else around him implode then in the general election let Obama control the news cycle and just seemed like he couldnt stand up for himself.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really shouldn't run for President again after failing in the general election once.
Pressondude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't want to subject his family to it again. They were personally under a microscope.
I mean, look what happened to Jeb
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but like not only did Trump win, Republicans have really big strongholds all across America, so technically Trump was not only great for Republicans, he was better than Romney
kasdanasal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:59:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who's grown up Mormon, who is still considered an "active member", but doesn't personally believe in it, yeah, the beliefs are strange. But the people are (mostly) wonderful, kind, intelligent people. In my opinion most issues stem from the corruption and detachment of the church leadership. As well as deep rooted misinformation about the churches history.
NorthBlizzard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:07:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, that's a lot of the reason why Romney lost. He was too nice and polite to jab back when Obama and the media would jab him, he just took it.
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There was that thing in high school where he cut off that kid's hair.
_TheConsumer_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't seen it, try to get tickets to the Book of Mormon.
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phantomtofu ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:36:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked for an ice cream shop in Salt Lake, and the spring after the 2012 elections he ordered a cone at the drive thru. Nice guy.
veggiter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he eat ice cream by himself? I find it hard to trust a grown man who eats an ice cream cone in public by himself.
phantomtofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He got a cup to go, too, and I seem to remember him saying he was bringing it to his dad, but that doesn't make sense as both his father and father-in-law died long ago. Hell, maybe he said "dog," it's not uncommon for people to get a small cup of vanilla for their pets.
veggiter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was probably just going to eat it himself without admitting it.
iforgotmyidagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iceberg?
phantomtofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite. It would be more accurate to say frozen custard than ice cream :)
iforgotmyidagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where? I wanna try their ice cream/frozen custard now.
phantomtofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:34 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.yelp.com/biz/nielsens-frozen-custard-salt-lake-city
iforgotmyidagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. Going there after my jog.
phantomtofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:33 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they have pumpkin, get it. It's like pumpkin pie but way better. Add brownies or chocolate chips if you feel like it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's super nice. One of the nicest guys I've ever met.
I'll never forget how the Democrats and media destroyed his character in 2012. I know it's politics, but the man's a fucking Mormon. He doesn't even drink coffee.
AnotherThroneAway ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:15:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're the family dog...
username_liets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a Mormon, it's required
otis_the_drunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah. Have you ever met a rude Mormon?
UteInMadison ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:15:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, most of them are very rude. I grew up near Provo, in the belly of the beast.
otis_the_drunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They must get nicer the further they are from UT. Possibly a recruitment tactic.
Eyunn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work for this really popular authentic Belgian waffle joint in Salt Lake City and Mitt Romney and his family showed up. It was one of those pay over the counter and we made it to go type joints so he came in, paid and then ran out and hid in his car while his wife waited for the food. Couple girls asked for photos and autographs and he turned them down. This was shortly after he lost. He tipped me four dollars.
Poncyhair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most Mormons are in my experience
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a little wacky but yes.
Stinky_WhizzleTeats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most Mormons are
luxeaeterna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he always seemed like a sociopath to me
Workaphobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the time he beat up the gay kid at boarding school. He's fine aside from that.
TacoPower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to bump into Jeb to see how he handles it.
Northern_One ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're his dog.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Him vocally opposing Trump is all it took for me to be cool with him. Still really glad he never became president, though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mormon upbringing
peanutsfan1995 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He really is. I live about 10 minutes away from him in New Hampshire. We see him and his family around town pretty often (small town), usually at the docks.
Mitt always loves talking shop about boats with people, takes selfies with anyone who asks, chats with the local government guys, asking about how things are going. He dotes on his wife and really makes sure that she has as easy a time as possible. He tips well also. Like, 30% minimum well. All of the food service folks love him.
I disagree with a lot of his policies, but he's a good guy.
rick-swordfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a customer at one of my old jobs back when I lived in Utah. Lovely man, although I'm not fond of his politics
Vaginal_Decimation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never met a Mormon that wasn't kind to strangers, ulterior motives perhaps. It's leaving the church that will get you ostracized.
CantStopReason ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He seems like e would suck the blood out of your children with a straw for a few bucks.
Chadsfavorite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ugh
SPZX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you're not He-Man, I imagine.
bruce_fenton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've met Romney several times and know people who know him very well. Whatever anyone things about his politics he is as much a stand up guy as they come. He never drinks, never even looks at any of the many women who flirt with him and he is dependable and honest and reliable from everything I have heard.
jblades13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:26 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Romney is actually extremely nice, I was campaigning for a Senate candidate in South Dakota and Romney came to speak and endorse him and I got to talk with him, take pictures, he even got in a selfie with me.
Pasdeseul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:03 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met Mitt Romney back in 2000 (right before Bush was elected) in Boston when he was still Governor of Massachusetts. My uncle had taken my brother and I to the city to see the historical sights, and we ended up walking by Romney giving a speech along with some other Republican politicians. He decided we also could use a civics lesson and we stayed to watch. After everyone was done speaking Romney and the others came over and greeted us. I had no idea who he was at the time but IIRC he shook my hand, made some joke about me voting Republican, told us to grab two Bush campaign signs, and then continued on his way. He seemed really nice, but then again he's a politician so who knows what he's really like?
Fast forward a few hours my uncle was driving my brother and I back home while we held the Bush campaign signs out the back windows chanting "GEORGE W BUSH!" for most of the car ride. This was especially funny considering that my uncle is very gay and very liberal. Poor man.
nazi-julie-andrews ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:59 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mitt Romney is a very nice guy. It was quite sad how the media demonized him in the 2012 election.
omarfw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
all Mormons are nice.
don't give me shit about stereotyping. this one is fucking true.
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Storm_Hussar ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:36:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I accidentally scared the shit out of Haley Joel Osment in a KFC bathroom once. He just didn't hear me come in. We had a good laugh about it.
Jon_Ham_Cock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the Jeb Bush kid when ya need him?
slamd0811 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, I have a relevant story too! While he's a less prolific politician, Ed Rendell actually shoved me into a wall once.
nista002 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My college roommate played on the same little league team as one of his kids. Said the kid was a douche.
CMulls0426 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost ran into him at the airport a couple years ago at the Detroit. airport. Guy was dressed so casually, I didn't notice until I was halfway home.
Hawkman003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to college down the street from where Romeny was living after the 2012 elections and ended up running into him often at the grocery store. I remember how surreal it felt seeing this guy who was in the spotlight everyday and so close to being our President just.... being a normal guy shopping alone at the grocery store.
Ginger-saurus-rex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:19:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has Mitt Romney beat too.
Flope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck are you people who actually run into another person? Pay attention to where you're going.
nurfbat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was turning the corner tightly and he was looking to his left talking to someone. You've never ran into someone? Teach me your ways sensei.
ZeStumpinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly regardless of how people try to paint any of these candidates, I bet they are all pretty nice to people in general.
Slaro1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you didn't bump into the US President.
mereih ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:37 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was this in MA?
nurfbat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:46 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope
ItsACaragor ยท 5419 points ยท Posted at 18:24:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny to think you actually bumped into the President of the United States
arsenalfc1987 ยท 3045 points ยท Posted at 20:59:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the time I held the door open for then-Senator Barack Obama, and he fistbumped me.
Why-am-I-here-again ยท 220 points ยท Posted at 23:00:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is fucking amazing if it's true.
a_Light_Umbrella ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 09:52:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost reminds me of that time I pressed an elevator button for then-President George W. Bush, and he fisted me.
Turtlefast27 ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 10:31:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is fucking amazing if it's true.
Nqmy ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:56:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the time I sucked Bill Clinton's dick, and he made me famous.
kkkkkkkkkkkkkks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:11:42 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is fucking amazing if it's true.
Omny87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:54 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey y'know that reminds me of the time I banged George Washington
kkkkkkkkkkkkkks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:30 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is fucking amazing if it's true.
Triton_330 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:59 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the time I opened a door, accidentally fell into the astral plane, and then transported directly into Mitt Romney's arms, and he held me and told me I was a good boy.
katieblu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me of the time when I ran into George Washington while picking apples.
Shnikies ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:14:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did... did he give you an apple? Just a fisting?
fuccboi_inc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:43 on January 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fist if true
Xyptero ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 11:35:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is amazing fucking if it's true.
ey51 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:26:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So undervoted
Twistednuke ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 10:32:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the time I got Bill Clinton his coffee, and he had "inappropiate relations" with me.
MrStigglesworth ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:10:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is fucking if it's true.
GUSHandGO ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:42:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is.
Good-Writer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:59:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty hot.
arsenalfc1987 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:31:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha it is true. Story-time: I was interning for Sen. Vitter from LA (he's a sleezebag, but his prostitution scandal was still unknown at the time. That came out a couple months later, at which point I gtf out of there).
It was January 2007, and the Saints played the Bears in the NFC Championship. The IL and LA Senators had a bet -- whoever lost had to cook the other side food from their state. Saints lost, so we "made" (ordered/catered, but pretended like we made it) gumbo for the IL Senators. Sen. Obama came strolling up to our office for his gumbo, about 10 cameramen in tow (can't waste a good photo op), I pivot to hold the door open for him. Boom, fist bump. This was a couple months before he announced his presidency run, but it was pretty well-known he was going to do it at that point.
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fleetber ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 23:07:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the time Trump high fived my grandma on a golf course
DustOnFlawlessRodent ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:37:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The host of Bullseye has a story about Bill Clinton almost going in for a high five and then just awkwardly turning it into a handshake. I'm very pro candidates who understand proper high five etiquette.
squeel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:28:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he does that a lot.
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Yeah, it's totally impossible that among the tens of thousands of interactions Trump has surely had in his long and people-oriented life, that a few of them were interesting and known to any of the millions of people who frequent Reddit.
xann009 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:09:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a "terrorist fist jab"
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:11:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
living in DC this kind of stuff happens more than I thought it would but it still blows my mind. Like the princess of denmark was in my office the other day...its crazy.
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was interning for my Senator (from Louisiana), and he came strolling down the hallway, cameras following him, smiling his big ass smile (this was spring 2007, shortly before he announced his run, but when it was pretty imminent). I quickly pivoted to hold the door for him. Boom.
thatJainaGirl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:06:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude don't say that too loud people might find out you're a terrorist.
EZKTurbo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:42:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cool as fuck! B-Rock Obeezy is a straight chiller
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, he was very confident and had such charisma.
Story-time: I was interning for Sen. Vitter from LA (he's a sleezebag, but his prostitution scandal was still unknown at the time. That came out a couple months later, at which point I gtf out of there).
It was January 2007, and the Saints played the Bears in the NFC Championship. The IL and LA Senators had a bet -- whoever lost had to cook the other side food from their state. Saints lost (boo), so we "made" (ordered/catered, but pretended like we made it) gumbo for the IL Senators. Sen. Obama came strolling up to our office for his gumbo, about 10 cameramen in tow (can't waste a good photo op), I pivot to hold the door open for him. Boom, fist bump. This was a couple months before he announced his presidency run, but it was pretty well-known he was going to do it at that point.
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Chemie93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suggested a shave ice flavor to Obama when we was visiting Hawaii as DNC nominee. He got it. I went to the fair at his high school every year too.
SammyD1st ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of the time Newt Gingrich held the door for me at Tiffany's.
I thanked him, and he replied with a warm "you're welcome" and a smile.
I later found out this was around this time of one of his affairs... so, you know... Newt's hoes need that ice.
arsenalfc1987 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diamonds are a girl's best friend...
TheMeanestPenis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this not happen every day Mr. Biden?
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha touche. One thing I'll miss post-election are the Biden Onion articles. Those were always so fucking good
madcat2986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude I got a fist bump from Obama too! I was in the Marines back in the day and he did a speech for us, he went around shaking hands and I got a fist bump. It was rad.
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice!
eldfluga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got the better deal.
Overpricefridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you African Americ er by chance? I think it's gold that every time I see a video of him meeting a black person he goes for the fist bump and every white person he goes for the hands shake. The only president who's actually cool is barrack.
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha nope. There were cameras around though, so he was either hamming it up or he's genuinely a nice/bro-y guy. I think the latter, judging from others' reactions.
thesmobro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the time I had sex with Abraham Lincoln
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the president or the vampire hunter?
Bump-4-Trump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats actually the communist secret handshake
Midnight_arpeggio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL that really sounds like something he would do. Seems like he's always liked giving fistbumps.
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha yeah, no kidding. too bad I never got to play basketball with him (should've stayed in DC longer).
Story-time: I was interning for Sen. Vitter from LA (he's a sleezebag, but his prostitution scandal was still unknown at the time. That came out a couple months later, at which point I gtf out of there).
It was January 2007, and the Saints played the Bears in the NFC Championship. The IL and LA Senators had a bet -- whoever lost had to cook the other side food from their state. Saints lost, so we "made" (ordered/catered, but pretended like we made it) gumbo for the IL Senators. Sen. Obama came strolling up to our office for his gumbo, about 10 cameramen in tow (can't waste a good photo op), I pivot to hold the door open for him. Boom, fist bump. This was a couple months before he announced his presidency run, but it was pretty well-known he was going to do it at that point.
Xearoii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bs
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol, yup, nothing I like more than burying a lie in a reddit thread about Donald Trump. You got me. /s
djchozen91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey that reminds me of the time I did vodka shots with the then-KGB agent Vladimir Putin, and then for some reason he set his bear on me.
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in Soviet Russia, vodka drinks you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the time I made eye contact with Justin Trudeau on a plane and then awkwardly looked away. This was about 2 years before he became prime minister. He flew economy.
arsenalfc1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
did it... did it move a little? (if you're a guy)
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Feelings were had ;)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Senator Obama once stepped on a good friend of mine's foot.
WaterStoryMark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will back that up by saying he visited my college while he was an Illinois senator and fistbumped a lot of us.
Hat-trickBlunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then everyone applauded
shabusnelik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy's name irl? Albert Einstein.
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wind_stars_fireflies ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 20:56:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, I never thought about it that way, but I guess I did!
Dirty_Socks ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 22:12:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It reminds me of a line from Independence Day:
"You punched the president?"
"He wasn't the president back then."
rick2882 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:53:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Independence Day getting quoted here.
Thanks Donald.
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KorgDTR2000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:40:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it weird how 2016 has taken an unremarkable celebrity encounter and turned it into something you'll tell your grandkids?
menace64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That really is pretty fucking cool. You experienced an idiom.
xXI_KiLLJoY_IXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stick that on your resume and ask your boss for a raise
Mithridates12 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:24:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For all we know this bump might've pushed him to become president!
wind_stars_fireflies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you put that evil on me!
bacloldrum ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:25:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Which way is the lobby?"
CaptainGreezy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:05:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was once working an event where GHWB was to speak (2000s so well after his presidency) and he was waiting in the back hallway behind the ballroom. A hotel employee failed to check the mirror rounding the corner and bumped into Bush hard enough to knock him down but his Secret Service agents were close enough to catch him. The employee "bounced" off the former president and fell on their ass. The Secret Service guys began to go for the employee on the floor, as if he had just assaulted the President, and Bush yells at them "leave him alone, that wasn't his fault, it was yours for not covering the corner!" and continued to throw a little tantrum about it.
Had about 20 guys biting their cheeks trying not to laugh at the Secret Service guys being dressed down while the hotel employee is white as a sheet and shaking trying to get up off the floor. Poor guy.
Maulecule ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:18:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, then future president.
Viking311 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:18:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, now president elect
WakkkaFlakaFlame ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:37:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also known as the future president
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Not yet
The_Pudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, secret security would let you anywhere near that close to the current president.
redskins91 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:44:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i wonder if this is going to get downvoted just because people dont want to see it written out lol
texasjoe ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:32:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TRIGGER WARNING
Donald J Trump has been elected to become the 45th President of the United States of America.
PartysaurusRexx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was merely a reality TV show host at the time.
spasm01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I was poked in the eye of then Pres W Bush. Well, likely it was just someone else in the bustle to shake his hand when he passed by, but I have no proof that it wasnt W that did it. (05 national jamboree he gave an address)
mousylion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny to think he is the President of the United States.
scottperezfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bumped into Eliot Spitzer the other day in very much the same way. Disgraced former Governor rather than President, but still.
Instantsoup44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
President-elect*
RKRagan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend moved to Vermont with her boyfriend. His family lives down the street from Bernie. They are blue collar workers and would see him often, being the mayor and then senator. He was just a guy you saw walking home. She missed seeing him vote by 5 minutes. Sure he didn't win the elections but he could have been president and the way people have ran into him compared to Trump is interesting.
masterofreason ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally walked into Cam Newton (NFL MVP last year) when we were both Auburn students. I think both of us were turned around talking and just ran into each other. He's a massive guy. After I turned around, I had to look up to see his face.
FavoriteActorDennehy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
take it easy pal, President-elect
Earguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took a piss with Rudy Guiliani way back when he was considering a presidential run. Oh, what could have been.
cutdownthere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of this reddit post where this dude commented saying he saw obama alone on his blackberry and smoking a ciggy (before he was pres.) and to this day he regrets not going over and talking with him.
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care for your life
iamahotblondeama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The funniest part isn't that he bumped into the future president but that trump became president at all.
jimmylephew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NYCThings
film_composer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
President-elect*
FremanKynes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You punched the president?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:35:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... what do you mean President?
Tapeworm1979 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now with the NSA just a call away he can finally track down u/wind_stars_fireflies and ensure he also has a little accident...
ItsACaragor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โWe don't make mistakes, just happy little accidents.โ -Donald Trump
blazefalcon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had my hair ruffled by Joe Biden way before he was VP, like 2003. He told me that my state Senator, Ben Nelson, was more important than he'd ever be.
Meto1183 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if he did it today the USSS would tackle him to the ground :(
uknowdamnwellimright ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:25:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By that logic he also bumped in to a corpse and a sperm.
SolidLikeIraq ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:09:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally ran into him one day while he was walking out of one of his buildings in NYC. I'm 6'3'' and was probably 260 at the time, and he made me feel kind of small in a city where I usually feel huge.
Very amicable guy for the situation.
scraggledog ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:35:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you say "pardon me" - cause if you did and he said yes, by law you can commit any crime and Trump has to pardon you.
Rectalcactus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:52:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only Federal crimes remember. Just looking out.
pooooooooooooooo0oop ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:15:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I take from that is that a billionaire is walking around without security. Healthcare or not, you have a pretty nice country.
PM-ME-YOUR-DOGPICS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:27:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a New Yorker, we're used to bumping into people
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:52:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I had that happen to me with Pierce Brosnan and no one ever believes me. It was the most nonchalant thing in the world.
deehayzee ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:22:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason, this made me laugh. This encounter was so basic I can't imagine what other "things" could possibly be needed to take into consideration as a qualifier. I'm not trying to make fun of you, it just made me laugh to think about. It reminds me of when someone will give a perfectly legitimate statement like "Your eyes look blue today", followed by "no offense".
KHANNAW ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:33:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family and I once ran into Hillary Clinton coming out of an expensive home store in NYC. Neither her or her squad apologised for bowling us out of the way
edwartica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:11:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once did the same thing with Luke Perry in the men's room.
PassionVoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What things? What did you expect to happen?
wind_stars_fireflies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he could have been upset about it. It was my fault, after all.
harperrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"quite all right"
SoulSylveon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did the exact same thing to Brad Garrett in West Edmonton Mall, lol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading these stories really flashes into my mind how this dude isn't that bad, he's just trying to do something different in his own way.
myislanduniverse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:22:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anymore, you would have gotten tackled by 6 Secret Service agents before you got within 20 yards.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:04:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't cops, they'd probably just say "sir" to get his attention before going commando
p90xeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"pardon me"
d3xless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I hear about bumping into Trump I instantly think about this
Xearoii ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would have beat your ass
G3G123 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bullshit
persephone83 ยท 10047 points ยท Posted at 15:27:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was on a design team when he was building one of his many golf courses like 15 years ago, so she saw him every day. He and melania hadn't married yet but they were also in the midst of designing a new estate he had just bought. Tiffany was little and always came into the office with them but she was basically glued to melania's hip. They were really close. I was also small but sometimes if I came into the office to visit my mom Tiffany and I would play but I don't remember what she was like.
Apparently trump was a really decent guy. He once turned to my mom and said "you're a designer.." and asked about if their kitchen was in a Tudor mansion, what kind of cabinets should they have. My mom was like "oh obviously cherry" and melania turned to trump and said "HA!" And he was like "alright okay you win"
My mom says back then he was pleasant and professional.
I also think it's interesting to add that my mom also swears that he was planning his run for president all the way back then and she overheard them all the time casually mentioning it.
I_am_fed_up_of_SAP ยท 3747 points ยท Posted at 16:28:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been putting an exploratory team out since 2000, I believe
Renegard ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 19:33:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been talking about it since the 80's at least.
perkel666 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:17:47 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like he tried to stop people from making him go for POTUS since 80.
I mean Oprah even mentioned in interview in 87
[deleted] ยท 2672 points ยท Posted at 18:25:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidentally, Hillary Clinton has also been planning her presidential run since 2000
DolphinSweater ยท 989 points ยท Posted at 20:16:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure her and Bill made a pact way back when that he would get his first, then her. Like Che and Castro, "First your revolution, then mine."
[deleted] ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 23:00:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. That's certainly the vibe many of us oldsters got at the time. "House of Cards" is clearly based in part on the Clinton admin (including the trail of bodies and accusations of corruption.)
DolphinSweater ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 23:39:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear what you're saying, and I understand the corruption, but are you being hyperbolic about the bodies? Are they any reputable links?
Blobbybluebland ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 00:06:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk how "reputable" you find it but the trail of bodies surrounding the Clintons is enormous. (Scroll down this website: http://arkancide.com/) And there was some wikileaks stuff about Vince Foster that came out recently that made a lot of people raise their eyebrows...
SeenSoFar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:41:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That website is so hard to read. It's mostly broken links. He should have gathered all the information himself on his site and sorted it coherently. It's very difficult to follow as it is.
Blobbybluebland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agree.
ATurtleTower ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 00:10:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get your tinfoil hats out guys
ribblesquat ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:47:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Victim of a smear campaign for thirty years, never found guilty of any criminal wrongdoing. Does that reassure them? "No, our assumptions are not wrong. This is just proof the conspiracy goes deeper than we thought!"
Mycoxadril ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:04:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, that's what people were saying about Bill Cosby back in the day when a woman would come out with a claim he raped them and it got swept under the rug.
Blobbybluebland ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 02:49:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks validated so much of of the "smear campaign" and "vast right-wing conspiracy" that was suspected about the Clintons, and more, so it's difficult for me to take sentiment like yours seriously at this point. They have essentially invented entire new forms of corruption. If you haven't browsed through some of the more damning Wikileaks, you should.
Xearoii ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:34:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Link
itsnotnews92 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 02:29:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sheer hatred many people have for the Clintons is the result of that very calculated smear campaign, and it's a shame because they're brilliant and passionate.
A professor of mine is very good friends with the Clintons--taught with them at the University of Arkansas. Told us after the election that you'd be hard-pressed to find two people who care more about the people of this country.
But for twenty-five years, they've had to deal with bullshit mudslinging from the right, all because Bill's victory in '92 ended twelve years of Republican rule in the White House. This enraged the GOP, so they decided to behave like petulant children and delegitimize Bill and Hillary by digging up and investigating countless "scandals."
And people wonder why they're so private and defensive--if my name was being dragged through the mud in such a heinous way, I'd get really defensive too.
traws06 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Former Secret Service members would says otherwise. They claim Hilary was a nightmare to be around and treated them like shit. If you screwed up you were punished by being put on Hilary's detail. I'm sure everyone will claim "well that whole book was just part of the smear campaign." Just like the GOP murdered people just before they could testify against Clinton in order to make her look bad?
WarBloodXyo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The closer you are, the less you see and the easier it is to fool you.
relaximapro1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:42 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so you mean like what the liberal media and Hillary supporters are doing right now with Trump?
Magister_Ingenia ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:50:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And people wonder why we're skeptical...
itsnotnews92 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Long list of things Clinton did that should get her indicted?" Please.
What standard are you using to judge whether an indictment is proper? The actual law, or your personal dislike of Hillary?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary "it's technically not illegal" Clinton
I'll never understand the cult of personality around her
ribblesquat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:56:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am interested in hearing your thoughts if you work as a lawyer or criminal investigator. If you are not, then I don't care.
itsnotnews92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:34:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a third-year law student, this election has been infuriating with all the armchair lawyers on Reddit and Facebook declaring Hillary a criminal and demanding she be thrown in prison.
Ignorance of how the law works in this country is widespread and it is scary--I'm sure ignorance of the legal system affected more than a few votes this year. Sad thing is, you don't need a law degree (or really any degree, for that matter) to understand reasonable doubt and the presumption of innocence.
SocialistNewZealand ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:58:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a socialist, but please don't spread false shit about people.
traws06 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't read the whole thing but they make a terrible point of saying he got caught for something as simple as adultery so he'd never be able to get away with calling a hit. Just like Al Capone was innocent as he could never get away with murder being he couldn't even get away with something as simple as not paying taxes.
akesh45 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:27:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
house of cards is a remake of a british tv show.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:19:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but the personalities of the Underwoods are very different in the American version. In the British version the wife is not important at all.
akesh45 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:36:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to see a film based on the clintons that anybody over thirty knows it's primary colors...it has a stand-in figure for clinton but was written by a journalist on the campaign trail.
thebonesintheground ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Joe Klein have sex with Hillary in the book? Wonder if that was true. It was published anonymously at first...
Larsjr ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 00:59:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's based off of a book actually. But still, you'd have to be blind not to see that Clintons == Underwoods
akesh45 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:20:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a movie already based off the clintons called primary colors....odd how house of cards would diverge....so greatly....especially given joe klein was on the campaign trail with clinton and used a stand in for clinton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_Colors_(film)
Gooop456 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:01:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say it's probably based on a strawman of the Clintons if not the real thing. The parallels to them are great just as the parallels to Putin from the Russian leader are noticeable.
Flamesmcgee ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:48:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't know. Considering that it's lifted off of a british TV show, I think the similarities (which are there, though to which degree is debateable) are coincidential more than anything else, arising largely out of interpretation after the fact rather than through inspiration on part of the creators.
Wowbagger1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:58:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(UK_TV_series)
babylon-pride ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:23:07 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, she's went through a lot of changes for him.
She failed a law exam and moved to Arkansas, giving it up to be with him.
She kept her name when they got married but somehow that became the focus of his governorship and not anything about him. Most interviews asked why she wasn't like a governor's wife should be, and if she planned on changing to fit in more.
And slowly she did, especially when he wasn't going to win the next election. She changed from Hillary Rodham to Hillary Rodham Clinton to Hillary Clinton. She lightened her hair and cut it. She went from trying to push change, to showing how she decorated the White House for Christmas. She went from giving strong interviews to taking care of her children on TV and being the 'perfect' mother.
Essentially she went from a woman who had built her entire life around what she wanted (just like anyone should do, man or woman) to letting her husband define her, and becoming Bill Clinton's wife. It became so extreme that to keep him in office she said she was standing with him through an affair, and then another one years later. What the fuck, right?
And since she's started in government and 16 years later ran for presidency, she's becoming herself again. But that same strong attitude from before is seen as bitchy and uncaring. She doesn't seem to have a nurturing side on TV, which is fine: no man has ever been elected because he can decorate a tree or stop a kid from crying.
My political views are definitely clear, I know, but at the same point I don't think anyone should have to change themselves so their partner wins. I like seeing the woman from the '70s who chose her own path come back.
FriendFoundAccount ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:44:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except he went too far and pulled a sneaky castro.
DolphinSweater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:46:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they don't call him slick willy for nothing.
ep1939 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:34:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought more about House of Cards.
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greymalken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now you know why you have to buy a whole bag.
zippyboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and the Williams Sisters. "Now Venus, This is Serena's year. Let her win, okay?"
Howlowbrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some house of cards shit right there
Malhavoc430 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Today me,
tomorrow2016 you"Dirtylittlesecret88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That plan sure did work out didn't it?
wantingerudite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Today you, tomorrow me?
ChuqTas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Today you, tomorrow me"
brav3h3art545 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how both ended similarly as Fidel succeeded and Che died in Bolivia.
qp0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:17 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lenin and Stalin?
Foobzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to former insider Larry Nichols, they developed a plan called "The 86 Plan" (IIRC because they wrote it in 1986), which was for Hillary to run for president, and then make Bill the ambassador to the UN, ultimately to become Secretary General and become the most powerful couple in the world.
DolphinSweater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:39:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I Googled it. The only things that come up are sleazy far-right conspiracy theory sites. I wouldn't put much credit in it.
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Teuthex ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:29:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where does she even go after that? What is her life now?
Does she just... go away?
Erik7575 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:50:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what Al Gore did.
Teuthex ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:52:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should we expect a Hillary documentary in the years to come?
Perhaps she will continue the hunt for the elusive ManBearPig?
Blytpls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no... how terrible that would be!
Teuthex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:59:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if all those people who said "I'm With Her!" will go With Her?
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llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:43:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She wrote that she was planning to run for President while pursuing Nixon. So that's at least before 1974.
YoungAdult_ ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:51:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary started planning her campaign when she was a sophomore n college.
__Noodles ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 21:37:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, that depression she must be in now. Not saying she doesn't deserve it - if your life long dream is to be president and THAT is the campaign you run - well...
But to lose... and to Trump... She should probably be on suicide watch.
Ginger-saurus-rex ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:51:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's rumors that she got very violent after hearing the final results on election night.
__Noodles ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:36:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, there is ZERO chance things in their hotel suite weren't broken.
I do wonder how bad it was - bad enough that she couldn't make her own concession speech.
capital_of_romania ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:01:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really just think she was crying and she didn't want people to see that side of her or think she's a weak and emotional woman.
__Noodles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm.... what does that say about the reality of that being the case - OR - that is the perception of a likely possibility?
Shouldn't a woman who is ready to become president have a little more emotional fortitude?
I'm really glad she didn't get "first woman president of the United States".
jesse0 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:51:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given that it's an unsubstantiated rumour, it says more about the person who believes it, or draws a conclusion from it, than about reality.
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MatttheBruinsfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly, after what he put his wife through I might not look outside the family in the event of an execution-style homicide either.
svenhoek86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:44:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Say what you want about Trump, but the fact that the person we're talking about almost won is genuinely terrifying to me in the same way Trump terrifies the other side. We're only halfway joking about this, and literally everyone that went down the rabbit hole of looking into this shit for more than an hour came out covered head to foot in fucking tin foil. I had friends that were staunch Hillary supporters that I turned into "conspiracy nuts" within 2 hours of conversation, google searches, and youtube videos.
I don't care how crazy it sounds, how off the fucking wall I seem to people, I firmly believe we just barely avoided a war with Russia. Maybe not a direct, storm the gate of Moscow type war, but a war where American and Russian soldiers kill each other in another country for sure.
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly, Russia has been pushing things for quite a while under Putin and Clinton is more Hawkish than I'm comfortable with myself. Though I'm not sure that appeasement and ignoring any violations of international law while the Iron Curtain gets rebuilt brick by brick is a better road to take.
JayTeaGee ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:25:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
unless you have been getting these rumors from different places on Twitter than I'm connected, that story is being peddled by a man with a very problematic relationship with the truth.
i.e. this guy? https://twitter.com/kincannon_show
Ginger-saurus-rex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:04:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I said rumors, we have no way of knowing whether they're true or not.
JayTeaGee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
was just curious if you had a different source than me
IMWeasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:21 on February 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a thought you fucking moron: the whole topic of this thread is that the media perception of trump is wrong because he's generally nice in person, and you shouldn't believe the worst stories about him. Why don't you extend the same courtesy to Clinton? It's easy: just shut the fuck up if you're not sure that what you're saying is true. Or is common decency something that only applies when you're talking about trump?
Ginger-saurus-rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:59 on February 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, you must be really salty if you're replying two months late. Why not extend the same courtesy to Clinton? Well that's not what this thread is about, you troglodyte, and besides, she really doesn't/didn't deserve it as the media gave her a free pass to get away with anything without criticism. And why would I shut the fuck up if I was contributing to the discussion? Sort yourself out man.
xereeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Color me absolutely unsurprised.
She lost to THAT. Just proves how damn unlikable she is.
Erik7575 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strike one Obama! Strike two Trump!
specialkake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:35:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for President in 2000, for the reform party, but didn't make it very far. Universal healthcare was the cornerstone of his platform, and he wanted Oprah as his running mate.
Madonk ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:29:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always picture Hillary as Mellie from Scandal.
Husband is president. Cheats on her. Tells him that they will stay together because her turn to be president is next and if they divorce it will look bad.
Also, mellie is a horrible person and is responsible for people's deaths.
AverageInternetUser ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:27:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could have had inspiration... Nothing original now a days lmao
cheetofarts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/conspiracy
cheezzzeburgers9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like 1996, I have heard rumors that secret service agents assigned to her during that period have said that she gave serious thought to running a primary against her husband. I always found that rumor while completely ridiculous to be completely in form for her.
ElGatoGuapo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mind games right there
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have assumed more like 1998 (when the Lewinsky scandal broke).
tomdarch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And spent the 16 years actually preparing for the campaign and actually doing the job....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also coincidentally, they both ran for president this year.
monkeysatemybarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes it seem like a Game of Thrones showdown that's been brewing for ages... House Trump (was going to say Lannisters but they always pay their debts) vs House Clinton... hmm not sure what the equivalents are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody has ever seen Hillary and Trump in the same room together.
Suspicious? I think so.
Why-am-I-here-again ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Hillary's been planning a run for president since the day she was born.
iushciuweiush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She turned down Bill twice for marriage because she wanted to stay in DC and pursue her political career instead of moving to Arkansas so I would say it started much earlier than 2000. She eventually accepted when she failed her DC bar exam and took the one in Arkansas.
headmustard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you mean since 1900
DanteTheDarant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scripted?
This feels like r/leagueoflegends
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am sure she had thoughts about it when Bill was president. When him and Monica came out, people were shocked that Hilary didn't divorce him on the spot.
I always said it was because she has her own political aspirations, and being a divorcee may look bad to voters, so she needed to consider her marriage in a political view rather than a romantic one.
Kered13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Planning? She's been campaigning since 2000.
Conjwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm betting Hillary Clinton has been planning her Presidential run since about 1950.
Alexander_Hamilton_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In pretty sure Hillary Clinton has been planning her presidential run since October 24, 1947.
feminists_are_dumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that. Since 1976.
ARandomWoollyMammoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was also apparently planning Isis.
Sailor_Gallifrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This election would have been a lot more fun if it had a monster truck announcer and he were like "FIFTEEN YEARS IN THE MAKING!"
Njsamora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to a few Trump supporters i've talked to, he began planning his run when he heard Hillary was planning to run, because he knew how evil she was and knew only he could stop her or something like that. It makes sense if you accept the 4d chess explanation.
alyalyatwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary has been planning her presidential run from the moment Bill was elected. If not before then.
hellogoawaynow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was obvious.
GOBLIN_GHOST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, I thought she was born in the 50s?
JManPolitics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was President... Bill was just the front man for it all.
DogPawsCanType ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet she still did all that dodgy shit? Wow.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She did all the dodgy shit to become president
DogPawsCanType ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:01:47 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. I guess getting caught was not in the plan.
TMWNN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's adorable, you thinking that Hillary has woken up in the morning without thinking of the presidency one day since the age of 19
redplanetlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:09 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really think that Bill and Hillary planned their futures while still in college. The way his political career went, it's like the whole thing was pre-planned, except of course she was supposed to win because she was always "50 points ahead".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:40 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why she was so much more distraught than most losing candidates on election night. Most candidates are honored to have gotten this far, and are ready to lose if they must be. Hillary not only expected a win but felt it was her turn for one.
boxofcookies101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald not the hero America needs but the one America deserves.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone old enough to remember the Clinton presidency, I think it's pretty obvious Hillary was running for President the moment her husband assumed office.
She was a very divisive figure, even then.
Unfortunately, THAT history had gone down the memory-hole, even for people old enough to know better.
JournalofFailure ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:06:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wrote a book ("The America We Deserve") in advance of a 2000 Presidential run, but backed out largely because the Reform Party had too many wingnuts like Pat Buchanan (the eventual nominee) in it.
Life comes at you fast.
nerf_herder1986 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then he actually runs, and promptly surrounds himself with wingnuts. Go figure.
only_a_name ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a random side note, I love the term "wingnuts"...it's so perfect
Smash_Adams8888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but they're mainstream wingnuts. That's...better, I guess?
IMWeasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:49 on February 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bannon is pretty far from a mainstream wingnut. He's not quite on the same level of paranoid delusion as Alex Jones is, but that makes him a lot more dangerous, because he can sound reasonable
liberalsaredangerous ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 21:20:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump actually ran in 2000 as a member of the "reform party" lol. He had picked Oprah as his VP and mccain as his secretary of defense, and colin powell as sec of state. He then left the reform party because Duke and some other racists/communists joined. Sadly the msm never talked about that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000
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scy1192 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:01:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duke has been a constant thorn in his side for a while, I took when he said "I don't know anything about David Duke" to simply just be dismissive of Duke being relevant to his Presidential run, rather than him literally saying he has never heard of the guy. He speaks in a more blue collar figurative way than the measured literal language we're used to hearing.
liberalsaredangerous ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:37:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say yes. I dont think he knows the guy personally or wants anything to do with him.
DJSlambert ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:24:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump was on Oprah back in 1988 with talks of presidential runs.
Link
jej1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:05:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didnt Trump run for the Reform Party in 2000?
steelbeamsdankmemes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:23:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He sure did.
jej1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh that man
-kindakrazy- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:00:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I have to send out an exploratory committe just to decide if I'm going to get out of bed.
HumansAreRobots ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:19:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exploratory team?
HaroldSax ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:23:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Essentially determining if it would be worth it to run. He was going to run independent in the 2000 election.
HumansAreRobots ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:40:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the explanation
valeyard89 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran on the Reform (Ross Perot's party) ticket in 2000 until he dropped out.
Any-sao ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:08:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I've heard he's considering it since the 1980's.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:14:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, pretty much every election since '88 they've considered him a "potential candidate"
intensely_human ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:06:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those guys you see in the space suits, wandering around DC and pointing scanners at stuff - that's his exploratory team.
fuck_the_king ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's been rumors that he's been interested in running since like the 80s
ajwillys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, he DID run for president in 2000 as a reform party candidate. He didn't get the nomination.
Dude_with_the_pants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2000 was when The Simpsons had their episode with "President Trump" in the future. Maybe it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for the Reform Party nomination in 2000 at the urging of Jesse Ventura. He was the main challenger to front-runner and eventual nominee Pat Buchanan, who Trump attacked as a "Hitler-lover."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since way before that. He has been asked about and "looking into" running for president for decades.
Blobbybluebland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying Hillary was a Trump plant...? Wow
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran as a Reform Party candidate in 2000 and dropped out to endorse Pat Buchanan (his main competitor for the Reform Party nomination). IIRC his name was floated around early on in the 2004 election cycle as a potential Independent or Democratic candidate, and then he considered running in 2012.
Remon_Kewl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to wikipedia he was thinking about running for the 1988 Republican candidacy.
shot_glass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 80's actually, that's why no one believed him this time because he's literally been saying he's going to run for 30 years.
Pinyaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a Reform party candidate for POTUS in 2000.
ent_bomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He formed an exploratory committee in 1988 for the Reform Party presidential ticket.
Diabetesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in the 80s people were asking him if he had plans to run. His answer nearly every time was "I'd rather not but if I have to I will."
Djmthrowaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for president in the 90s
bullseyed723 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He publicly discussed it in 1988. But he said only if things got really bad and no one else would fix it.
ZombiePrincessKenny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for office in the Reform party in 2000. Check Wikipedia.
hog_master ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Earlier, there's a 99 interview (forget the name of the host, it's about 45 mins and on YouTube) where he talks about possibly running and setting up exploratory teams. He was planning to run independent if he did run.
HawkkeTV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He tried to run in 1989.
Kingsta8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran in the 2000 election for the Reform Party but I think he dropped out before the primaries were even over.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was running for the reform party nomination in 2000
gozzling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That moment when you realize that 2000 was indeed over 15 years ago...fuck...
Burge97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000
higmage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:13 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually he has mentioned running for President as far back as 1984, usually when promoting a new book. This was the first time he entered a primary.
jose_conseco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He trademarked 'make america great again' just days after barack hussein won his 2nd term
Averant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So this wasn't a spur of the moment thing?
...I'm feeling slightly better about this, now.
Blobbybluebland ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been talking relentlessly about trade and tax policies since the early 80s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 1809 points ยท Posted at 15:35:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the detail you and some others have put into their comments. I am very curious to see what sort of face Trump puts on starting in January.
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WaterStoryMark ยท 1934 points ยท Posted at 16:20:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've been saying this for months. Dude was never this way before he ran for President. I guarantee he's still not actually this way. It was a persona.
Edit: My bad.
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[deleted] ยท 1773 points ยท Posted at 19:06:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read his autobiography "Making America Great Again" previously named "Crippled America", which was released sometime during the primary election. It's interesting how he explains his campaign moves in great detail, he for example states that during the primaries there are 10 boring guys on a stage, how do you stand out? By saying things that shock people obviously. I find it quite funny that his entire strategy was laid out that flat in his book, and almost no one mentions it, despite having a tactic that worked absolute wonders during the election.
Conjwa ยท 943 points ยท Posted at 23:35:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying it since the primaries: Donald Trump is a god damn genius. Every move he made during his campaign only looks bad when you look at it in a vacuum. In reality, the results of the moves he has made are as follows: he crushed 2 political dynasties in the Bushes and Clintons, brought Fox News to its knees (during the primaries) by essentially turning its entire viewer base against it, nearly blew up the RNC, then defeated a candidate with more money, power, experience, and connections behind her than almost anyone else in political history, all while having the entirety of mainstream media (minus Fox News after the primaries) literally colluding with Clinton to spin everything in as positive a manner as possible.
Over the past 18 months Donald Trump has brought the entire DC political establishment to its knees before ever taking office. Whether he will be able to continue to do so from the White House remains to be seen, but people should have learned enough over the last 18 months to not panic when the same media outlets that have been attempting to destroy him throw out these names about his cabinet before anything is made official.
XenuWorldOrder ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 00:05:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering about that a lot after he won the primary. After he won the general I was convinced. Every thing he did was methodical. All of these people calling him an idiot. No. An idiot does not and can not do the things he has done in his lifetime.
ronton ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:32:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what many people calling him an idiot were saying was that he was incredibly ignorant with regards to politics. If he was truly an idiot, he would not be where he is now. But there's a difference between "good at manipulating people" and "good at being president."
ImperatorConor ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:39:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this case I would probably give him the benefit of the doubt on being good at being president, it is likely that being good at manipulating people is an asset to a president rather than a character flaw
fikme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:50:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People calling him an idiot are not smart enough to see that the lose pieces in front of them that look like trash are actually a puzzle that builds into a magnificent picture.. they just can't put the pieces together
Immo406 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:54:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4D chess.
[deleted] ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 23:49:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said!
I think the greater mistake is many are under-estimating Trump. He's clearly capable of playing the game.
PineapplePunches ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 00:31:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's certainly good at getting elected. He's a TV guy. We'll see what kind of statesman he is. You could see during the debates that, it's not like he's even an evil man, but he's no scholar and no technocrat. He had very simple, basic responses to most questions and didn't seem to have very deep knowledge of issues, especially foreign policy issues. Sure, some of that is showmanship and the fact that he repeated his talking points with literally every question.
We'll see.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The article may have been reviewed by an editor, or even ghost written.
AdonisGksu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:33:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It most certainly was ghost written, that's what the communication office does. He doesn't even tweet most things, he has his staff do it.
Deadleggg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Grants presidency. I expect about the same.
chevymonza ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:35:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's capable of winning, but public service? That's the scary part.
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chevymonza ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno, this thread reminds me of the fake news about him on FB.
So he paid for a movie with exact change? So he patted a kid on the head? So he was nice to strangers in passing while getting his fast food?
He has made it so that our expectations are lower than low. That's his strategy I suppose. But regardless of how much people don't want Hilary to be president, she's not what he made her out to be.
I never doubted his ability to win, knew it would be close regardless. He's an embarrassment. But they say that an American president doesn't really have ALL the control anyway, so who knows.
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chevymonza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:27 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are the media stories biased? Did he not say those things?
If he wants to be unscripted, great! But he needs to conduct himself with SOME class and decorum. His kids shouldn't have to be the ones explaining how he "really" is.
People say they love his blatant honesty, then in the next breath say "he doesn't MEAN all that." Well which is it?
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chevymonza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:47 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some legal citizens are rapists too. Illegal aliens are actually more likely to abide by the law- they don't even want to get caught even jaywalking, for example, for fear of being found out.
Women who deserve criticism = those who don't live up to his standards of beauty.
The media don't HAVE to distort a thing! He lies blatantly and denies lying. He spews hate and people love his "honesty." What on earth is being "distorted"??
jaxxon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:00:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way he is stacking the deck in his cabinet and with the way the House, Senate, and Supreme Court are getting set up . . . is terrifying. I secretly hope that it's all just a big setup the he's going to set up to get knocked down. Like build up this big game that makes the world think we're tipping towards fascism and then.... nope! I'm actually a nice guy. HA HA!! And he yanks the rug out from under it and declares peace worldwide and makes sudden huge investments in renewables and stuff. He's the ultimate troll... so I'm hoping he'll go all out.
BadJokeAmonster ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:19:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are referring to the lobbyists he already struck them down.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/pence-removes-lobbyists-trump-transition-team-controversial-names-remain-n684836
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:23:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest worry has not really been Donald Trump, but the people who support him. Clearly he's good at campaigning and maintaining an image but how is he as an actual leader. This is his first foray into politics and he's surrounded himself with more experienced people. What happens when one of the people in his cabinet tries to go off and do their own thing? For instance, what if Pence attempts to combat gay marriage. Trump has stated that it is law and it isn't going anywhere. What happens then? Does Trump lead him away or does he let Pence run free?
kkkkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So why does he want to over turn Roe v. Wade?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see anything about him saying he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. Rather, I see him saying he's willing to appoint certain members of the supreme Court who might attempt to overturn the ruling and if it is done it will kick back to the state's decision. It's a hands off approach. Again, this makes me worry because I wonder how far he's willing to let his appointees go before he steps in.
idiocracy4real ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 01:08:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have fascism now.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 00:52:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's quiet scary that most people support it despite him saying terrible things. I guess he knows most of the population is white and won't be bothered by comments he makes
Jagjamin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:26:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13% of black men voted for him. 31% of Floridian Latinos voted for him too. I know you didn't mention gender, but 53% of white women voted for him.
A lot of non-white people voted for him, and a lot of women voted for him. A lot of them were just voting against Hilary.
thonrad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a white dude, with many like minded friends, who's bothered by most of the shit he's said since 2012, I think it's fair to say it's got to do with more than just "white male."
Although most of these people are also from chicago-land, so maybe that's why.
Aqualser ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:17:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I need to read one of his books.
BaggySpandex ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:55:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I weren't broke I'd give you gold for this post. The man knows exactly what he is doing. I wouldn't be surprised if, in a year or two when he settles back down to the middle, he starts to turn face on some of his biggest haters.
tootonyourparade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:54:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably has a real life Jennifer Barkley on his team
rulkamaniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great reference. Even better side character.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:18:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Donald: either a genius masquerading as a dumbass, or a dumbass masquerading as a genius.
ZeStumpinator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:44:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This.
This right here.
No one believed it, but it was true.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:59:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now, if he is to be believed, he is going to put that genius to work for the American people.
the_salubrious_one ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:35:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Reality check: despite growth in population, Trump got fewer votes than McCain and Romney. Hillary even got more votes. But ultimately she lost because she got 5 million fewer votes than Obama.
Hillary is powerful, sure. She's also the least likable candidate in recent history. She stunk of scandal, whether she deserved it or not. A unknown irascible 74 year old almost defeated her in the primary.
Trump chose exactly the right time to run, with the anti-establishment fever at an all-time high (within our lifetime anyway). He was a clever, cunning candidate. He also would do absolutely anything to win, and crossed lines that no candidate with any semblance of morality would.
AcerRubrum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At this point, more bomb-throwing will actually hurt him. A poll released today says only 29% of people see a mandate for him to carry out his agenda (after all, only about 27% of the electorate actually placed votes for him), and 59% say he should compromise with the Dems. Apparently a lot of America has seen through his strategy and actually want him to work well as a president, considering how the GOP hasn't done a single fucking thing to compromise with the Dems since 2009.
ArMcK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd agree with you that it's a facade or a bargain high tactic. . . except look who he's stacking his cabinet with.
iushciuweiush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who? Serious question, I want to know who is actually confirmed because I just read an article from 3 hours ago and practically no one has been. Did you fall for the media's bullshit speculations again? When are you going to learn? I bet you still think Chis Christie is in the running for something don't you?
ArMcK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down, son. Damn.
sjwillis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, if 200,000 more people would have voted in a few different counties we would be talking about how much of an idiot he is.
profkinera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:37:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, people expected a Clinton blowout. Keeping it close would have still surprised everyone
mugsybeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything you just said makes me extremely excited to see him as president PLUS he is the only candidate who doesn't owe favors.
ravendarklord76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump won at life. When you spell it out like that its insane how smart he is
hog_master ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4D Chess.
idster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This entire comment is on point. He certainly knows marketing. But what does this say about Trump's ability to govern?
jambox888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mhmhm, well in doing so he's burned an awful lot of goodwill. You don't rule the USA, you represent it. Also he was pretty lucky. 100,000 votes decided it they say.
CptNonsense ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:03:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Clinton "dynasty" consist of Bill and Hillary - who has never been president. I don't think you understand what dynasty means
aftokinito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you read wikileaks, don't you...
CptNonsense ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is wikileaks inventing new definitions of the term dynasty that involves literally one person?
aftokinito ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In democracy, a dynasty does not only represent bloodline relatives.
CptNonsense ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So humor me and tell me what it represents
CorrectTheCuck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:58:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple members of the same family holding various national level offices, their cronies running political parties and also holding national level offices. It doesn't just mean "more than 1 president," would you say the Kennedys aren't a dynasty because only JFK was President?
rainer_d ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 21:09:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Journalists read books? Would be news to me.
Most of them were probably too busy following, replying to and re-tweeting his tweets.
mousylion ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:12:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a lot of his working class supporters read a lot of books, either. Not implying they're stupid, just busy.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:26:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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microwavepetcarrier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...and the best way to distract people from their servitude is to make sure they are fighting for their survival everyday.
AwesomelyHumble ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:50:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this was news, you'd never hear about it. Unless it was headlined "You won't believe what journalists are doing with books!"
Nicklovn ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:03:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yah no kidding. His skill is profound. He knew he was the "joke" candidate that wouldn't be taken seriously until he shocked the country and drew attention. He was at a disadvantage and won.
XenuWorldOrder ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:04:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the guy even published his campaign strategy and they still couldn't beat him.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:15:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand the guy (only from what I've seen on TV obviously) but you have to admit he has an amazing sense of timing. He ran just at the right time.
POUND_MY_ANUS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:12:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI?t=122
ROK247 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:20:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there was an SNL episode that basically showed this exact thing. the one guy that was normal (i forget which) was completely ignored.
xc68030 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:22:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
ROK247 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:09:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/republican-debate-cold-open/2969842
eazolan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:02:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but...he said that one shocking thing!
5yearsinthefuture ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
which makes me wonder about the media. They are not for facts as they claim themselves to be.
6thReplacementMonkey ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 20:29:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once heard of another politician who wrote a book that detailed his strategy, and then years later people were shocked when it happened. He was Austrian I think, went by the name of Adolf Hitler.
DontTreadOnBigfoot ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 20:30:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Godwin's law in action, folks!
6thReplacementMonkey ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:43:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I might get that response, but I decided to say it anyway. I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler (at least not seriously), I'm comparing American apathetic voters to German apathetic voters.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:11:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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rilian4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Said!! This is making The Hunger Games sound so prophetic. Sounds like something right out The Capital...
TheGreatOneSea ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:14:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler wasn't elected though: he lost to Hindenburg, who then appointed Hitler to a position of power as a way to try and leash him. If Hindenburg lived a few more years, Hitler may have been nothing more than a footnote.
Worse yet, Mein Kamph is so poorly written that it's quite hard to understand: all most people can get out of it is a hatred for Communists and Jews, both of which were quite common. People might have been shocked at just how much Hitler blamed the Jews for Germany's problems if they managed to read all of it, but most Germans would have chalked that up to his bitterness about his poverty: genocide would have been incomprehensible without a war to allow it.
95DarkFire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! So many people here in Germany only remember him as "the guy who put Hitler in Power", but they forget that he was the Head of State of our Country for almost 9 years during possibly the worst financial crisis we ever went through.
He also fought for Democracy against his own military friends and fellow monarchists, even though he himself didn't really believe in it. Only because he wanted to keep his oath.
And when he put Hitler into Office, he was an 89 year old, half-senile man, who was told by everyone around him that they could control Hitler.
_zerdo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have read Mein Kampf and by no means is poorly written. Is true that he has a perverted vision of the reality, which he bends for his purposes, but he certainly has a deep knowledge of the human psique. It is an interesting book to read (for historical purposes only, not like reading the Bible or anything like)
In Europe, as in America, a new wave of politicians are using the exact same "marketing" technique than Hitler did back then, with great profit.
Sorry for my English, it's a bit rusty.
blackwolfdown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... in its unedited form, he uses the word "sehr" or "very" repeatedly to add emphasis. This makes the text comical.
DontTreadOnBigfoot ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:56:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well in that case, hats off to you, sir.
You may be the first person in the history of Reddit to mention Trump and Hitler in the same post without implying a direct correlation.
6thReplacementMonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll concede that a correlation was implied, even though it wasn't my main point.
In all seriousness though, even though I personally don't think Trump and Hitler share many views beyond generic authoritarianism and a craving for power, there are similarities in how they both rose to power that we should pay attention too.
svenhoek86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's dispel with this notion that Donald Trump isn't Hitler. Donald Trump is Hitler.
MrLinderman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:27:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Mitt Romney was Hitler in 2012, and McCain was Hitler in 2008.
_MUY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Bush, Romney, Obama, and McCain were compared to Hitler for completely different reasons which pale in comparison to the very clear parallels being drawn by Trump on the campaign trail. The charge didn't stick to those former presidents for obvious reasons: the four of them didn't fit the accusation. That politicians are compared to Hitler is not going to stop at this election and it is not anything new. That politicians are examined this way is not an issue we need to worry about. That a person can launch his political career by running on a campaign of conspiracy theories and racism is concerning. We have a responsibility to keep a keen eye out for that exact sort of Hitlerian manipulation in government in order to keep the next Hitler out of power.
The contention is that Trump ran explicitly on an authoritarian nationalist platform which promises to rid society of several undesirable racial underclasses (Latinos, Muslims, Blacks). The contention is that he demonized 'The Media' in order to prevent his followers from listening to voices of reason and instead focus entirely on listening to the pro-Trump echo chamber. The accusation stuck because that contention was legitimate and supported by a pretty incriminating body of evidence that Trump is actually a student of Hitler. His ex wife explained that Trump read Hitler's speeches nightly in the 90s from a book admitted to exist by Trump and an acquaintance. He took a liking to being called Die Fรผhrer by his lawyer. His priorities in the Oval Office are to expel millions of immigrants from the country, jail his political opponent, restrict the free media in order to combat a perceived conspiracy, restructure government to eliminate most of our democratically elected officials, top the scale in the Supreme Court to his own liking, and appoint his family and friends to positions with access to high government secrets.
There are a lot of ways he can steer us wrong, so we have to trust in his character. What is his character? We are about to hand this responsibility to a man who has demonstrated that he is capable of sinking to the depths of human greed in his business dealings. This is a man who has admitted to sex crime and who has been accused of the same by at least a dozen people. His own coauthor gave America a dire warning not to trust him. The military intelligence community has warned America of the man's ties to Russia at a time when Russia was caught actively interfering in our election.
It is not that simple and it is not that easily dismissed. People have legitimate concerns about this person and they are right to share those concerns.
thirdfounder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good use of Trump's own tactic. Did you get attention? Yes -- bunch of comments under you.
So easy, right?
SluttyPhilosopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would voting for Clinton make someone really that less apathetic?
6thReplacementMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does voting preference have to do with reading a candidate's book?
theivoryserf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, do you think that one of the major episodes in world history can never be referenced? Even when there are obvious parallels?
I'm not saying Trump is Hitler 2 of course, nor is consciously a fascist.
AnonymousSpaceMonkey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:22:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Austrian Ehh? Well then, good day mate. Let's put another shrimp on the barbie!
6thReplacementMonkey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:23:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have a cold can of Foster's and watch out for the drop bears!
pecuchet ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:36:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that Hitler? Albert Einstein.
scy1192 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:04:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
damn, good thing Hitler talked about killing Jews and Trump talked about fixing the economy
6thReplacementMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair to Hitler, killing Jews and taking the Lebensraum was meant to fix the economy...
fistkick18 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:51:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was also a black dude who did the same thing... I think his name was Obama.
fiction_for_tits ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:15:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other person's name was Obama.
Oh wait did we forget about the Audacity of Hope?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:15:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally Hitler then, amirite?
Xenomorph555 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Less of a book and more like ramblings scribbled down while in prison.
rilian4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was just thinking this!!
Fuckanator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
his name? Albert Einstein.
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't buy it. Even if it is just a persona, the fact that you would rub shoulders with people like Bannon and make a "persona" out of scapegoating immigrants and minorities says a lot about you.
There's just something I find really annoying about the "Oh, it's just a persona" argument. It's like one of those obnoxious "pranksters" on Youtube who do stuff that will get them beaten up and try to justify it with "It's just a prank, bro!". Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that you're an asshole.
Whether Trump is personally racist or not, his "persona" has made it OK to be a racist shithead in this country again. That's unacceptable, whether it was a "tactic" or not.
Blobbybluebland ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:14:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he likes Bannon because he's a brilliant guy who helped win the election? Bannon is a Harvard Business and London School Of Economics grad, and was a navy captain for 10 years. All the stupid labels around him for running a media company (Breitbart) are just that: stupid.
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I know is that it looks bad from what I've seen. Whether or not Bannon has been successful doesn't matter. If he is the racist he seems to be, then racism doesn't have a "type"; it can afflict successful billionaires and trailer park dwellers in an equal proportion.
Reddit_beard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Historically the biggest racists have always been the elite, and they have to foster racial tensions between the poor to keep everyone from noticing class tensions.
HippieKillerHoeDown ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:20:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you know his other campaign manager is Jewish, works closely with Bannon, so i don't believe everything the media is saying about they guy.
VicisSubsisto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got the same impression from his SNL appearance, and in much less time.
ent_bomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's any great secret that democracy is susceptible to demagoguery.
Mikulak25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No way to prove that it worked fully as a tactic until he became the fucking president-elect
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read that book too, before it got re-titled, and remember thinking, "I wish he would run for president."
Nonetheless, I've been against him the whole time he's been campaigning.
It makes me wonder, "why?" What changed since then? I know the media backlash against him has been part of it, but I feel like his positions are very different as well. I should probably just reread the book, but I no longer have a copy so I can't put my finger on exactly what is different.
RyanCantDrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hes a business man, and he knows how to advertise. Advertising has evolved from "pros and cons of the product, please buy tho" too subliminal actions, Public Relations, Marketing, and just presenting a brand with certain ideas and values and w/e.
He knows how to get people to listen. There's been a lot of propaganda against him on social media that got the millennials and the Gen Zs to absolutely hate him, with comments he made being taken out of context, high editing and whatever else. I would even go as far as to say Clinton would have been smart enough to fund these efforts, because these accounts/news outlets, all came out and supported her. She had the popular vote amongst the youngsters.
And all the YouTubers that instead of saying, "go vote", said "go vote Clinton" is also just a commentary on how opinionated, sensational, and I would say unintelligent, Millennials and Gen Zs are.
Maybe they were paid off maybe they weren't (but doesn't matter cause millennials and Gen Zs didn't fucking vote enough or whatever), but even as a Gen Z, I knew Trump was gonna be big for 3 reasons:
Hes already famous, He's a business man(art of persuasion), and he appeals to the unvocal minorities.
Politics is advertising social ideas. The fact that propaganda and attack ads are even still allowed in our society is appalling, because simply, with no respect to logic or reason, advertising works.
Source: Advertising student
Edit: I'm also happy this thread came about. He seems, above all, genuine to himself. loud and rude, sure, but I'm Canadian. Our politicians avoid being loud at all, (and try to be super appealing to everyone), because we all know more about your election (somehow), more than our own.
Ibney00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man a politician who laid out his outlandish strategy to become a leader of a nation in a book and no one saw it before he became said leader.
I've never heard of that before.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler did the same thing, *The book
progrocker2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't mention it because he's running as a republican. Guarantee if he was a democrat we'd hear all about it.
verytroo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think he also said during his interview after election, something on the lines that... sometimes you have to drum up a rhetoric to get people moving somewhere...
zacharyan100 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:07:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a stretch. This past election was an anomaly. I'm not saying that his strategy is total garbage, but saying it worked wonders when he lost the popular vote is just a tad bit of a stretch.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:16:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Losing the popular vote literally doesn't matter the slightest bit. He won the electoral college with an almost landslide gaining over 300 votes, which means he could've lost Florida and still won.
Which is not even my point though. Try considering that the POTUS elect right now is a man, who is hated by both party elites, and someone who was deemed out by all popular media. Despite all of that, he managed to focus on the necessary parts of the American population in the necessary states, and managed to win the election, in a way that has not been seen before.
So his tactic of angering the "Rust Belt" and criticizing the media and "Establishment" actually did work wonders.
zacharyan100 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:58:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you that his tactic worked in the rust belt, but I doubt it has the same success against a legitimate candidate. Can we agree that he ran against the literal worst democrat nominee in history?
I kind of agree with you. I'm not advocating for election by popular vote, as it's not constitutional. But looking the number of votes gives more insight into the election results, which matters a lot.
But i have to say that you can't just look at the number of electoral votes and say it was a landslide without looking at the individual states that he barely won.
When you look at how many votes were cast in the states he won, it tells more of the story. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Those 3 states were blue in 2012, Donald won them each by ~1%. 104,000 votes were the difference in those three states. That's 0.032% of the population. 0.032% was how much The Donald actually won by. Those 104,000 votes would have sent the election to the House, who may have still voted for Trump.
MrLinderman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He played to win the game by the rules the game is played. So even with him losing the popular vote, getting 300+ EV is getting close to landslide territory.
zacharyan100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna tackle one thing real quick:
You could literally say this about any winning candidate, ever. That doesn't mean that all winners campaigned equally.
Regarding the rest, I would normally agree, but like I said, this election has been a statistical anomaly.
He barely won many key swing states. You could just look at EV, but that won't tell you the whole story. Winning is winning, I agree, but the fact that he won does not invalidate my point here.
He ran against the legit worst democratic nominee in history. Turns out that the media could not succeed in turning her into a palatable candidate. It was a horrible campaign and Trump should thank God almighty that Joe Biden was having family troubles during the primaries and chose not to run.
Low voter turnout- When you look at how many votes were cast in the states he won, it tells more of the story. Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Those 3 states were blue in 2012, Donald won them each by ~1%. 104,000 votes was the difference in those three states. That's 0.032% of the population. 0.032% was the difference this year between this election. Yeah, we should count our lucky stars on this one gang.
Jon_Boopin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He won the popular vote. Google hasn't updated the count.
zacharyan100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's irrelevant if he won or lost. The only reason he even would have lost it would be because California has such a large population. My point was just to annotate how close the election actually was.
Jon_Boopin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I'm just a details freak.
remuliini ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That gives me a bad Mein Kampf vibe...
I should read those books.
TK3600 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:43:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please do not read my post too deep, but this really reminds me of Hitler. He also gave a plan of what he will do once he is in power. He did those exactly. It is a strange moment of irony in history.
tootonyourparade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:53:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, like how Hitler outlined his whole plan when he was younger in Mein Kampf
french_do_it_better ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 21:36:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler had his stategy laid out in a book too, and noone paid attention to it.
svenhoek86 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:59:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, you're not shilling properly. The Hitler angle needs to be more subtle, when you say shit like this you just sound retarded.
Bill_Dicking_Bimbos ยท 980 points ยท Posted at 18:12:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-No such thing as bad press
-Truthful hyperbole
-Always ask for more than you want(asked for total and complete Muslim ban but really just wants to ban them from terror nations)
-Getting people to think past the sale(he puts the image of him being President in peoples heads. Ex. Saying he would personally call ford and say hes going to tax them at 35%)
zakificus ยท 875 points ยท Posted at 21:00:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a post the other day that used all his wall talk as a great example of talking past a sale.
WWIflyingace62 ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 22:18:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, it's the "foot in the door" technique. That was like day 1 of my public speaking course.
Congratulations me, you played yourself.
bluephoenix27 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 22:37:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually the door in the face technique.
Foot in the door is starting off small and then asking for bigger requests.
WWIflyingace62 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 00:09:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got it backwards, shit.
I played myself again.
Goose31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually the "face in the door" technique.
You ring the bell then stand really close to the door until the accept your requests so you'll go away.
zakificus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:20:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not unlike the hyena in the elevator trick.
YuriTheAmishDr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:54:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tried googling, could you explain that one?
zakificus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:26:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was some "dealing with people" ask reddit not long ago, and some guy said whenever he gets into conversations with people and someone gets annoying or overly combative he just changes the subject like "how many hyenas could fit in this elevator? Probably not that many, they're bigger than you'd think" and it's so jarring people can't really keep going down the path they were previously talking about.
Not exactly relevant but I was just reminded of it with the "X in the Y trick."
Deeliciousness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was joking I think.
waywardwoodwork ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 23:16:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gradually coming round to Trump being a genius, and it burns.
Blobbybluebland ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:16:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had my suspicions a while ago but this is the video that helped push me over the edge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw
my-stereo-heart ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:23:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's significantly more coherent in this video than I've ever seen him in the debates
profkinera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Normal people tune out when you go into detailed plans with big words. They like the soundbites and simple sentences.
waywardwoodwork ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:33:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have to check that out when I get home. Thanks, man.
SittingInTheShower ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:12:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's old news bit it's absolutely worth watching! Even though I voted for him, I'm still on the fence. This video has reassured me that his intent truly is "Making America Great Again", as lame as that may sound. American news makes him look like a dumbass... But hearing the man speak for himself makes a person really understand that he cares about this great country we really could have.
xc68030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting to see him argue for raising taxes on the wealthy.
iushciuweiush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His title is 'Pres Trump Organization.' It was predicted!
BigTimStrangeX ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:48:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a mediocre businessman, he's not nearly as wealthy as he could be, but he is one hell of a pitchman.
Epitomeofcrunchyness ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:14:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, he doesn't seem to be particularly skilled in financial matters, but damn is he a people person. He understands how to turn situations to his advantage very well.
gRod805 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that he's a genius, its that we are stupid.
featherfall13 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:27:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think that when he said, "My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars," that he tried to get people to focus on the ridiculousness of the statement but still accept it, thus planting the idea that he's experienced with controlling money in very large amounts?
RoboHarambe ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 23:04:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. But in the context of big business a million dollars really is a tiny loan so it could have just been meant at face value.
bumblebritches57 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:47:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Startups cost much more than a million dollars, the cheapest are at least a few million.
PenguinHero ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 00:12:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His business is (upper-class) real estate development though. In that industry $1 mill. is actually a small amount to start with.
featherfall13 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:14:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People still make fun of it, though, since to most voters it's an extremely large amount of money.
Rokusi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was more him saying he asked his father for the loan. Nepotism doesn't sit well with most people.
featherfall13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, yeah. I can see why people would get pissed off at that too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, most people would probably squander a free mil.
rupay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't it actually $31 million?
featherfall13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen the clip around the internet, he is saying "a million dollars" as far as I can tell.
TMWNN ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:16:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed.
Real estate is one of the classic ways to make money in human society. Look at how many real-estate developers own pro sports teams. Every big and small city in the US has real-estate people among its wealthy people.
What Trump did, however, is different. Four decades ago he was on paper absolutely no different from 500 other scions of moderately wealthy (as in, a few millions to tens of millions) property developers in the New York metro area. To turn that million-dollar loan into ten billion is, however, unusual; there aren't 50 real-estate multibillionaires in New York, let alone 500. To also become a household name and to have remained one for 30 years and turn that fame into a victorious presidential campaign that along the way destroyed the country's two most powerful political dynasties and made the entire global media look like idiots? That takes brains.
I was not a Trump supporter during the Republican nomination process, although I supported him over Hillary. I recognize, however, that too often "idiot" is used in politics as a synonym for "anyone whose policies I oppose", regardless of that person's actual intelligence. Only an idiot would call Trump an idiot.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:22:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the old, "Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?"
"Sure, I guess."
"How about twenty dollars?"
"What kind of woman do you think I am?"
"Weโve already established that. Now weโre just haggling over the price."
Paanmasala ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:16:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ignoring completely that people are still saying it's a stupid idea, and even the republicans have downgraded it to a partial fence, which coincidentally already exists.
zakificus ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 21:46:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said I thought it was a good idea or anything like that. Just anecdotally, I saw more mentions of how stupid it was to think Mexico would pay for it than about the idea of a wall in the first place. So the comment I saw about talking past a sale, seemed to have some merit to it.
ronton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You did imply in your comments that people "accepted" the wall, which is so not true. It was more "this wall is not happening, and even on the tiny chance that it did, there's no way mexico's paying for it."
zakificus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:40:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure, I was only speaking anecdotally.
anti09 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:28:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no, I assure you, the idea of the wall itself is equally as stupid as the idea that Mexico will pay for it.
ChiefMasterGuru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and plenty of people have said both
the wall makes 0 sense AND the idea that anyone would pay for an idiotic wall is stupid
Sour_Badger ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:26:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A fence in low risk areas that are out in the middle of the desert that's just logistical.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He IS gonna build a WALL. It's gonna be a GREAT wall, with a DOOR. MEXICO is gonna pay for it. They're GONNA pay for it, guys.
jim653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt think itโs a great example at all. Thinking past the sale is a basic sales technique to try to get people over their resistance to proceed with a deal, but I donโt see that there was any resistance among Trumpโs supporters to a wall in the first place. It's a better example of gilding the lily. If he really never intended to try to have Mexico pay for the wall, then, when he drops the idea, he disappoints his supporters (who he was lying to all along) and gives his detractors something to bash him with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jim653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the people opposed to Trump and the wall wouldn't vote for him anyway, so I donโt see how theyโre relevant to this discussion. The only people that this might conceivably have worked on were those who wanted a wall but only if the US didnโt have to pay for it. This theory also ignores the effort he put into trying to persuade people that they needed a wall in the first place (to stop all the drugs, criminals, and illegals flooding in).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jim653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And thatโs exactly why it doesnโt apply here โ people preferred the initial proposal (that someone else would pay) more than the revision (that they will have to pay).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:26 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jim653 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:16 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you're saying but it's a different argument from the one I was commenting on, which was that Trump is distracting people from questioning whether they even need a wall by making them spend all their time laughing at the image of him trying to make Mexico pay for it, and thus he will supposedly get them to accept the idea of the wall by default.
Your argument, on the other hand, is that Trump gets the wall's opponents to focus their opposition to the wall on Mexico being made to pay for it, so that he can make their position look weaker by eventually dropping that idea.
The latter is about making opponents focus on a minor objection at the expense of their main objection, while the former is about distracting them from having any objections in the first place. In the former, they don't take the proposition of Mexico paying seriously; in the latter, they do.
Even under your scenario, I don't think it's a good tactic. As I understand it, Trump doesn't need to worry about making the opponents' position look weaker โ he can use an Act already on the books to push through a wall in any case. So, all he will have done is appear to break an election promise in order to accede to his opponents' objection, even though he didn't have to.
Are people even objecting to Mexico having to pay for the wall? I'm not American so I have no idea, but I wouldn't have thought that anyone but his supporters would have taken that seriously, much less make it the main focus of their objection to the wall. I would have expected any opposition to be focused instead on trying to prevent US money being wasted on building a wall that will not stop drugs or illegal immigrants or terrorist attacks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did Mexico agree to a wall?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that last part worked on Nieto himself.
critfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty clever actually.
EmrysGreene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap, that's an amazing point! Trump's psychology had me beat. I'm so glad you pointed that out.
Oxideist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw that post too, it's a good dales technique.
Nighthawk700 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not really, that's a gross oversimplification of it. Everyone began with how it would be logistically impossible to build the wall and ended on the fact that having Mexico pay for it is the retarded cherry on top and highlights the comical arrogance of the statement.
Everyone is pretending he is a genius, when in reality he is just a classic salesman and American doesn't have the time, patience, or attention span to consider the implications of his words. Which is exactly the mentality that makes salesmen of ordinary products rich in the first place
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Likely not directly with cash, but possibly with tariffs, trade deals, or other methods of having Mexico "pay" for it.
Donnadre ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except nobody agreed about the wall part either, so it's a failed move.
Once he's president, someone will show him/explain to him that we already have extensive fences, walls, guards, drones and generally a humongous border control infrastructure and that dumping tons of money into redundant fences will just bloat government without any benefit whatsoever.
And then he'll claim he never said anything about building a wall, that it was Hillary's idea.
-------_----- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:07:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He virtually stopped talking about the wall for a long time near the end of the election. FBI probably told him his wall was impractical and he should shut up about it during a briefing.
Donnadre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure that is the FBI's purview, but anyone who knows anything knows we already have right borders and incredibly strong enforcement.
Furthermore, anyone who can read a newspaper should know the Obama administration has been very aggressive and diligent about deporting criminal immigrants, so Trump's pledges in this regard are meaningless and misleading.
MrLinderman ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:44:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:50:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're an airliner.
a3wagner ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:22:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a panini shop.
Staplingdean ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:09:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or printing newspapers
scotchirish ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:17:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a drycleaner
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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scotchirish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a gym.
navymmw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:30:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or an panini airline
Ffdmatt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:32:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach sales so this was so apparent and I kept trying to explain to people that he's just a salesman. His pitch was right out of the sales bible. Hopefully that was just a means to get to a position and do good. Hopefully he's capable of doing it and not just blindly ambitious. Only time will tell.
Crooty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:28:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As I've always said, people call Trump an "idiot" but he's actually incredibly smart.
He has a very good understanding of how the human mind works and how to exploit it and he uses it to his advantage
gahanka ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:11:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also on the last point, building a wall and having Mexico pay for it. Talking like the wall is already built and were talking about whose paying it, instead of if it should be built.
hugehambone ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:49:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah as a liberal with conservative family members. This was spelled out to me a long time ago. On one level, I understand when people go ape shit over his inflammatory comments, but on another, it's pretty stupid to allow your emotions to be controlled by somebody. Settle the fuck down and try to interpret what people are doing. Because surprise motherfucker, politics is a ruthless game.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He already did that last last thing.
Wus_Pigs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up, Leonard. I know about your crooked wang.
WakkkaFlakaFlame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like telling people mexico is going to pay for the wall, so everyone is talking about mexico and how that would work, and the wall itself is rarely objected to?
weaseldamage ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is what exactly? Belgium? Our close ally and home to almost all the 911 bombers Saudi Arabia?
fuzzypurple9 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a phrase his ghostwriter came up with to tactfully describe how Trump does not prioritize accuracy or fact in his communication with people.
He did some interviews in the summer months of the campaign, if you're interested.
PenguinHero ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:14:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He prioritizes the sale, not accuracy or fact. He's being a salesman and that kind of 'talk' among them is nothing new.
fuzzypurple9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying it isn't useful or even expected from someone in his position. I'm just saying the writer had to choose something to articulate Trumps attitude towards the prioritization of truth versus effect
StezzerLolz ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:12:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck is a 'terror nation'?
whydoyouask123 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:41:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing a country whose government sponsors terrorism or basically: Iran, Sudan, and Syria.
GavinZac ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:04:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The highest country per capita rate of joining ISIS was Tunisia, a new US ally after their 'Arab Spring'.
The second highest was the Maldives, a tiny tropical island nation soon to be lost to global warming.
The third was Jordan, widely considered the model Levantine Arab state.
The US's child nations, Bosnia and Kosovo, are in 5th and 7th respectively.
Major US ally Saudi Arabia is in 9th.
Possibly fictional European 'capital country' Belgium is in 14th...
...just ahead of Caribbean coconut paradise Trinidad and Tobago.
None of the nations you listed made the top 15 - beyond which I don't have the numbers. They don't make the total 15 in actual numbers either, nor even in 'per Muslim capita'.
The Syrian government is currently fighting US-armed Sunni fundamentalists and ISIS. Iran is a Shia nation - the group that ISIS have attacked the most. And Sudan... Sudan barely has a government to be sponsoring anything, but they're currently working with US ally Saudi Arabia to destroy Shiites in Yemen.
The last foreign-born attacks were carried out by an Afghani, a nation that the US is currently supporting. The Chattanooga shooter was born in Kuwait, a US ally. Before that the Boston bombers were born in Kyrgyzstan. Before that, you have to go all the way back to 2006 to find the non-fatal 2006 UNC SUV attack carried out by someone whose parents left Iran when he was 2 years old.
Whether or not you believe those nations "sponsor" terror, the people they use are almost never actually from there, so limiting immigration from there does precisely nothing except embolden them.
fiction_for_tits ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:17:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The principle is that there are a number of places that have a high risk of exporting dangerous individuals or trying to slip them in with immigrants, such as Syria and Iran.
You start an additional vetting process if someone wants to come from those countries.
Done and done.
Chardmonster ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever he wants it to be.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:53:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Terror nations.
That would be the country that consistently bombs and invades others.
Where the customary homage to its invader troop is " Thank you for your sacrifice/service"
That consistently commits war crimes (Like dropping a bomb on a house where the restaurant was where Saddam was reported to be, killing 14 families in the process)?
Etc etc. Etc.
The US is considered the greatest threat to world peace.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:19:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What's a "terror nation"? Due to the War on Terror, no such thing exists. It's an idea in the heads of disaffected youths worldwide including Americans. A terrorist is as likely to be Belgian as Iranian. America shouldn't be banning entire countries from entering. Lets not continue the trend of awful decisions post-2001.
notdeadyet01 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:23:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I buy this. I don't think he would have won if he followed a plan similar to Clinton. He needed to be radically different in order to secure votes from everyone who was against her.
youraveragebassist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's brilliant.
SteamedCatfish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:06:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying this as someone far away from America, I had a feeling he'd be successful some time ago since I saw his name so frequently and yet had heard little about any others. Regardless of what was being said about him, it certainly attracted attention and look where we are.
Teuthex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:30:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scott Adams actually went into a lot of that from the persuasion perspective. Interesting read even if you're not a fan of Trump. He did a lot of what Adams calls 'pacing and leading'.
K3wp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more like that sometimes its in your best interests to say/do something outrageous if it means you can close a deal, get a client, etc. The other bit is exactly right, shoot for the moon then negotiate down from there.
shawnisboring ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By saying ridiculous shit all the time he essentially kept himself in the news cycle 24/7, so instead of just being "the other time he ran for president" he stayed in the media's focus for so long that he became a household name as a presidential hopeful... all free promotion.
Iwritewordsformoney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'M GOING TO BE RULER OF THE WORLD.
Fine, I'll just be president.
admin-abuse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's church is Norman Vincent Peale's I think, who wrote the Power of Positive Thinking. I am not Christian but I actually find it encouraging as fuck.
iammanlyman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have a winner. The art of the deal convinced me that there was more to Trump than met the eye. Not that it was a life-changing read, it was simply that Trump absolutely knew how to be a calculated manipulator: if he couldn't actually negotiate win-win, he would make your change your own definition of what winning meant - and this is precisely what he did to get elected. I'm a little scared because he's never been in government - but I'm not scared at all about his social policies.... I suspect he'll govern from the middle and be a whole lot like Bill Clinton. In hindsight, I think most people, even the far right, would privately admit that Bill Clinton was a very effective president. Not to get all political, but Hillary was silly not to capitalize on that. Denying she was a moderate was her first big mistake, it made her have to compete with Bernie, who never had the slightest chance of winning - despite what everyone thinks. The country does fine under moderate government - because the very nature of moderation is un-forced compromise. I would not be at all surprised if people's opinion of Trump changes radically in the next year.
myusernameranoutofsp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ghostwriter of that book spoke out strongly against judging him based on the book. He said that he (the ghostwriter) wrote the book with relatively minor input from Trump, and that it doesn't represent Trump. The ghostwriter came up with stuff like 'truthful hyperbole', and is outspoken as being against Trump, considering him a dangerous candidate.
MrLinderman ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:42:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was aware that the guy ( I think he name was Tony Schwartz iirc) came out against him although as /u/eliasrahr points out, Trump pretty much repeats that stuff in his campaign book, which was written ~30 years later. It also kinda fits with his personality from what we know of him.
5yearsinthefuture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is how he will be a president. If not A then B.
taoistchainsaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*his ghost writer pretty much says
MrLinderman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I answered most of the first 50 that said that.
Alligator_Aneurysm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he repeatedly states that bad press is always much better than no press at all.
Mic_Check_One_Two ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this is the basis for his "Mexico will pay for the wall" thing. He doesn't just say "I'm going to build a wall," because then people argue about whether or not a wall actually gets built. The "Mexico will pay for the wall" thing is already assuming a wall will be built - People began arguing about who would pay for it, instead of simply arguing about whether or not it would be built.
Then Mexico argues that it won't pay for the wall. Trump lets them negotiate it down to some extra import/export taxes that go towards funding the wall. Mexico walks away from the negotiation with a raw asshole (because a wall is still being built and they're helping to fund it,) but still feeling like they came out ahead.
Dragonnlady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in french it roughly translates to: Talk bad about me, talk good about me but do talk about me.
Tarantulasagna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Underpresent, overdeliver.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:10:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THe Art of the Deal was written by a ghost writer. Trump had zero input.
MrLinderman ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:31:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if Schwartz wrote the whole thing himself, he clearly needed to spend time getting to know Trump, and Trump had to give approval of the final work.
The overwhelming majority of autobiographies are ghost written, but that doesn't mean that the thoughts and viewpoints aren't ultimately Trump's.
On top of that, Schwartz had 30 years to denounce Trump. I find it very odd that he did it in the middle of an election.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He had no reason to denounce trump beforehand. Noone would have cared.
MrLinderman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:32:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They may have when he flirted with running in 2000. They may have when he was the biggest celebrity on TV during the apprentice. They may have during the primaries (the New Yorker piece ran in July 2016). To save it for 3 months before the general election strikes me as very convenient timing.
yeahigetthatalot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:20:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry just saw people already pointed out the ghostwriter, but to answer your question read the article, I thought it was really interesting!
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all/
twocoffeespoons ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He didn't write the Art of the Deal. Not a single word in that book was written by Trump, it was ghost written. According to the the ghost writer, Tony Schwarts Trump didn't have the patience to write any material or give Tony enough information to base the book off of. So Tony basically had to make everything in the book up by just observing Trump from a distance. He's been a scathing critic of Trump during this election and is deeply worried about Trump's presidency.
Edit: Even stating unflattering facts about Donald Trump will get you down-voted anymore.
MrLinderman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:50:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And as I've said in numerous comments since, that even if Schwartz wrote the whole thing, he still needs to observe Trump and Trump still gets the final say. Regardless of whether or not you like Trump, you'd be awfully naive to think that he didn't read the book and approve what was in it before it got published.
twocoffeespoons ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to this in-depth interview with Trump's ghostwriter that is completely false. But I doubt you'd read it anyway.
PenguinHero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The interview released ~30years after publication and in the middle of an election he was contesting, and released by an organization openly seeking to discredit him? That interview is what you want to accept as the gospel truth? Ok.
twocoffeespoons ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:04:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like I thought. "None of it actually happened! The New Yorker & Ghostwriter are lying! God help this country.
Rittermeister ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he doesn't say it; his ghost writer, who practically had to tie Trump to a chair to get enough information to write the book, says it.
MrLinderman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:55:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which, if we're taking Tony Schwartz's word as 100% gospel, still needs to be based on observations of Trump and Trump would have to give final approval.
fournipsnohips ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That book was entirely ghostwritten. I'd encourage everyone to check out the New Yorker piece by his ghostwriter
MrLinderman ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:56:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not disputing that. Even with an entirely ghostwritten book you have to spend some time with the subject to write an accurate portrayal of him and the subject would clearly have final say on what goes in the book.
If you honestly think Trump hired a ghostwriter and didn't actually read the book before it was published, I have a bridge to sell you...
Double-decker_trams ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Art of the Deal ghostwritten though?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But art of the deal was ghost written, to quote Donald: "I had a lot of choice of who to have write the book, and I chose [Schwartz]", and to quote the book's publishers "Trump didnโt write a postcard for us!".
yeahigetthatalot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:18:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But according to the ghost writer of Art of the Deal Donald was hardly involved and the ghostwriter came up with most of the book himself.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all/
Very interesting read by the way..
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't write the "Art of the Deal," though. It was ghostwritten, and his ghostwriter stated how Donald Trump couldn't be interviewed for any long portion of time, so he would just sit in his office all day and Trump gave him a phone on the same line to listen to everything that would go on. He said Trump would make things up on the spot to confuse the other people while using other people to take advantage of others. The writer said he invented most of the terms in the book and got his demeanor through shadowing Trump for months.
ALoudMouthBaby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:00:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who ghost wrote Art of the Deal is going to be really surprised to hear this.
thediabloman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:39:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how psycho do you have to be to go to a job interview and tell them that you will burn the company down to get hired, and expect it to work?
MrLinderman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not very? It's like convincing shareholders to vote out board members they hate.
ktappe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't write that book though. It was ghostwritten, with very little input from Trump himself. The author had to follow him around and glean the text from just observing Trump, who wouldn't sit still long enough to even be interviewed.
redfeather1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also used ot admit that he kept Mien Kampf on his night stand, and that it was a great guide on how to rise to power.
DirtyBeautifulLove ยท 456 points ยท Posted at 16:31:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering he was a democrat for gonna until recently, I also highly suspect it's a persona. Even his acceptance speech wasn't too shabby.
Tsquare43 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 17:04:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's flipped flopped parties a couple of times
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anachronic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:32:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence is literally his VP though...
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cdodgec04 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:21:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
exactly, whenever i hear someone say, "well he will just be assassinated" its followed up by, "but then Pence is in charge and hes even worse"
DaedricWindrammer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:03:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The "Agnew" shield.
prancingElephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most establishment Republicans would 100% prefer Pence though. So that defense really doesn't work.
Cruzzfish1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it works for him getting assassinated, which is probably a bigger risk.
pmanda02 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:39:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a party compromise though.
anachronic ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:21:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the old McCain/Palin compromise.
I was seriously considering voting for McCain until that bullshit.
Pence is pretty tragic too.
Jezus53 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt so bad for McCain when that happened. I was thinking he had a hard enough time going against a young, charismatic, black man and then he gets the shittiest of VP nominations. T I mean the guy is a damn POW, could we have at least let him lose with some dignity?
anachronic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I liked a lot of what McCain had to say and was like "Y'know, even if he gets elected, I'd be OK with that". I liked Obama a lot too, but after Palin, that sealed the deal.
Shit, even Romney I would have been reasonably OK with.
Trump though... man, even if he picked a great running mate I loved, I still never would have voted for him. This has been a truly weird election cycle, that's for sure.
tlrider1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, same here! The guy had my vote aaaannnd theeeennnn..... Palin!
profkinera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:40:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have to make compromises somewhere.
anachronic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? He broke all the rules the entire campaign and snubbed his nose at the establishment... it seems very odd he picked a super-establishment VP last minute like that. He would have won no matter who he chose.
Blobbybluebland ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:20:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's more of a civic nationalist and a populist than anything. I don't think you can apply the classic red/blue labels to his platform.
auxiliary-character ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 20:23:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it's because he's economically conservative, but socially liberal, and can't decide which is more important.
Iamchinesedotcom ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:32:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he's a classical libertarian?
auxiliary-character ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:39:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More libertarian than Aleppo man.
drderwaffle ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:17:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His whole life is a meme.
auxiliary-character ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A master troll.
J_Bendy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused what's Aleppo?
IceDagger316 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a brand of dogfood that Alpo is embroiled in a huge legal battle over trademark infringement. Going to the Supreme Court next year.
are_you_seriously ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:54:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's a New York moderate. Bloomberg was a social liberal but economic conservative. Our government definitely didn't get smaller, but Bloomberg left NYC with a $1B surplus. Banning smoking in all public places (including parks), installing bikes and redoing the roads to be bike friendly, redistributing police resources so big crime areas get more coverage are all NOT small government things.
Libertarianism as it stands today is more like Tea Party crazy than sensible fat trimming.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, if a libertarian could be at all realistic.
AnonymousSpaceMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure he's metaphysically wrinkle free.
prancingElephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Not at all. I'm not sure what he would be, given his weak ideological positions, but definitely not a libertarian. The only thing I know he is is a populist.
FatalTragedy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:23:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Libertarian, I absolutely hate when people conflate being Libertarian with being economically conservative and socially liberal. They are not the same thing, and in fact many who identify as economically conservative and socially liberal support lots of authoritarian policies.
Iamchinesedotcom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:40:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, when people describe Libertarian policies, people extrapolate those policies. Then again, these political compass test thingies are notoriously underwhelming at describing true Libertarianism...
That said, isn't Trump still considered Libertarian from his dour viewpoint of the authoritative constructs of our world?
prancingElephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not even a little bit. Trump is almost as authoritarian as Hillary. It has nothing to do with "trust in authoritative constructs".
StezzerLolz ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 21:15:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, did you just call the man whose stated goal is to ban all Muslims from entering the US "socially liberal"?!
Jesus Christ, am I the only person who remembers this shit?! These aren't small concessions of the moment, this is one of his major policy aims!
auxiliary-character ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:20:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because he's against stoning gays and raping children.
SadGhoster87 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just gonna bite at the basic level.
Most Muslims don't do that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:48:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And most Trump supporters aren't racist sexist bigots however...
SadGhoster87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:47:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. Also different parallel.
Ginger-saurus-rex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:53:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But 70% of all Muslims believe that Sharia Law should be implemented/followed and that includes a lot of stuff like subjugating women violently.
Gregoryv022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not 70% of the Muslims in this country.
That is for Damn sure.
k5josh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:42:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So in other words we need to regulate Muslims who are entering the country. Glad there could be an agreement!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they think a prophet who did is the perfect role model and example for all time.
Regardless, the Muslim ban isn't even happening so who cares.
Wawoowoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn
StezzerLolz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and? Shall I link Jo Cox's wikipedia page, so we both have a martyr to browbeat with?
Getting assassinated doesn't prove you right or wrong...
Wawoowoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really sure what you're on about. Unless you're claiming that not wanting to be hung in the streets for homosexuality is the socially conservative position.
Blobbybluebland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're socially liberal, then logically, banning Muslims should be your #1 priority.
moontime1 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:15:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your a reasonable person you can always find policies from both parties that you like. To bad there is no middle, You have to be all left or all right.
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the media has a lot to do with driving people to the left or right. Reagan and Clinton played to the center very well.
Sawses ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:07:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I rather respect that; it means he's probably more of a moderate than anything else. That's what we need in the Whiter House.
EDIT: I just called it the Whiter House... But I'm leaving it, because it kinda fits.
theivoryserf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:29:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is a very optimistic view of the situation.
Larsjr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
44/45ths white to be exact
frog_licker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:12:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he was a Democrat for a while, then he ran on the Reform party ticket, then he was a Democrat against, and now he's a Republican.
Kered13 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:32:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he would have run for either party, and just chose the Republicans because they had a weaker field.
Val_P ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No superdelegates, either.
CaptSkunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one reason that I like him. He's not loyal to any party but instead, is loyal to America. I think he'll get some things done and be a decent president. Then again, who am I?
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are you, and shouldn't it be that way?
TriforceOfPower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people change parties over time.
Chargin_Chuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's flip flopped everything a couple of times
AbstracTyler ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, his acceptance speech gave me hope that his presidency might not be a complete travesty. There's still the environment to think about though . . .
Paanmasala ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:19:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out his staff picks if you want to lose hope again.
AbstracTyler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:58:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Sigh
I have, and I know they're awful. But I can't lose hope again, I have to be hopeful about the future. I also feel a responsibility and a duty to call my elected officials and let them know where I stand on the things that matter to me. Also I am open to conversation with people who don't just agree with me, and that's all I can do, really.
Paanmasala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're right. Absolutely no one should want trump to live up to their low expectations since the moral victory would be far outweighed by the actual consequences. I do worry that he will live up to the fears.
MAG7C ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:56:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has me worried more than the man himself. So much Bush era coming back to haunt us. Starting with a VP that looks to Cheney as a role model.
Though I am concerned about his temperament -- that he will start to resemble a cross between Turkish President Erdogan and Richard Nixon after a few years in office.
wellnowiminvolved ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watch his acceptance speech live in the uk and all I could thing was it was a bloody good speech.
Val_P ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:01:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The "complicated business" line got a chuckle out of me. Good way to start.
MrLinderman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:57:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that was a misconception. He was a republican most of his life.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:08:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His views in the 1980s were so reasonable. I wish he would actually stick back to those beliefs--but that hope died when he chose Pence + his cabinet.
BootyWarrior2 ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 19:55:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what do you have against Cherry cabinets?
drderwaffle ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:26:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 meta 2 fast
jkmonty94 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:03:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
IMO, Pence was a pick to bring in more conservative Republican votes. Donald himself is actually more liberal in many regards than just about any Republican before him (LGBT rights, marijuana, etc.), so he needed Pence to balance out public perception for those people.
I could be wrong, though
Tango15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ronald Reagan was a Democrat for years before switching to the Republican party. People change..
fleaona ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep pointing out to people that he's been Republican, Democrat, Independent, and Reform party. Of his 70 years, say.. 52 adult years, only 15 have been Republican.
curias00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're bigotry is showing. Did you know that Republicans are mostly nice people who don't beat the shit out of people with opposing views?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you say to his appointing of a literal white nationalist to an office then? That's pretty firmly a far right action
less___than___zero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is only half true. He's had a variety of party affiliations over the last few decades. He was briefly registered as a Democrat, but also spent a lot of time as a registered Republican, as well as a couple 3rd parties. It's not like he suddenly, for the first time ever, registered as a Republican just to run for the Presidency.
_niko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought so, too - until I saw his choice of people for the new administration.
mashington14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but have you seen the people he's hiring right now?
the_salubrious_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's a myth. He switched parties several times. He just doesn't have an ideology.
ktappe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he's really a Democrat, why is he surrounding himself with not just Republicans but some alt-Right people? And not a single Democrat?
enlou ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:37:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding me? That acceptance speech was an absolute joke, full of fluff.
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BigTimStrangeX ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:54:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he believed half the shit he was saying, but the voters he was targeted do.
The people in rust belt are hurting, so they started looking for an outgroup, a fearful threat to blame for your woes. Trump validated their fears and offered a solution.
He also vilified the press for being dishonest, which they were and doubled down by calling Trump every name in the book, which gave his target demo reason to ignore what they said about him.
arnaudh ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 16:56:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I feel that like some ill-educated folks, he is easily influenced by the people close to him. I know and I have known a few people like that. They're smart, have some education, but show them a documentary or have them read a book on a specific topic with a slant, and they'll totally buy into it and it will change their world view. For weeks and months, they'll experience everything under that new light. (There's gotta be a word or concept for this, but I didn't study psychology.) They don't have enough references or knowledge to be critical on the topic, so they'll totally buy into it.
Then a few weeks or months later you give them another book or documentary to watch - or even fiction that includes a cool concept in it - and it happens again, even if it somewhat contradicts the previous experience they had.
They just have little critical thinking, and are easily influenced. Those are people you can easily plant an idea in, even a dangerous one, and they will just see what they consider is the positive part, and refuse to consider the toxic one. They don't mean harm. They sincerely think they are good people and are not haters. They're also often easily drawn into conspiracy theories.
This is my half-assed theory at least, which fits with the testimonials we've been hearing that Trump tends to listen to the last influential person he talked to.
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diddy1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Long term confirmation bias might work too.
intensely_human ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:04:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Suggestibility".
Huxley writes that the mental sensitivity to be really really smart also tends to make one suggestible. Or something roughly similar to that. In Island.
Or to put it in an even simpler way: being "really smart" is the result of having a mind which absorbs information readily. Hence you learn fast, and you're easily reprogrammed.
mousylion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of smart folks, despite being very socially intuitive, overestimate the intellectual capabilities of those around them because they underestimate themselves.
When absorption and creative thought come so easily to someone, it's hard for them to realize they're extraordinary without someone else's help.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DunningโKruger_effect
Toxicitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's about knowledge, not intelligence.
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arnaudh ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:40:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Philosophy and critical thinking should be mandatory for all high school students. But I'm not holding my breath.
Learned__Hand ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:59:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Critical thinking/logic, sure. It could easily be part of English as it is similar to grammar. Or math for obvious reasons. But because it doesn't teach a kid how to answer a very specific question which doesn't reflect on real world needs, it won't be taught.
Philosophy, though, should not be required, and I say this as a student of Philosophy. Reasoning can be taught without Descartes. Philosophy can never be successfully shoved down kids' throats. They need to ask their questions and come to the fountain willingly.
Rittermeister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. Freshmen and sophomores trying to practice source criticism is an exercise in painful futility.
Val_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be taught like mathematics. Immerse people in it from an early age and gradually build on the complexity of ideas.
Rittermeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, we can't fund anything that even smells like the humanities.
a3wagner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:30:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think pretty much the only thing psych 101 is good for is getting people to think they know a lot about psychology because they took psych 101.
Source: took psych 101.
CiderDrinker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:42:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which makes appointing the Breitbart guy as chief advisor rather worrying.
mousylion ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:27:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he's smart enough to see through anti-semitism.
CiderDrinker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The anti-semitism is terrible, but it's not just that. It's also that Trump was elected, in part, by the precarious, unskilled and semi-skilled, downwardly mobile, lower income groups in rust belt towns and small one-company towns that were gutted by NAFTA and by shifting manufacturing to China. Breitbart's brand of hyper-capitalist libertarian economics isn't going to do anything to help those people. It will squeeze them even harder. If Trump cannot bring back good, steady jobs, with decent wages and benefits, then he will be storing up a whole lot of very dangerous anger.
theivoryserf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:31:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% think this is Donald. There's an interview with the man who ghost-wrote The Art of the Deal that says Trump has an awful attention span. I find it hard to believe that any flip flops are sustained Machiavellian games. I think he's just very influenced by the last opinion he hears. Look at how deferential he seemed after the meeting with Obama. The trouble is, now he's surrounded by some nasty-ass people.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:55:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The debates really sent this home. He could hold it together for about 20-30 minutes before going off the rails.
arnaudh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I think that's the reason why he's guarding his children so close to him. He has no friends, and deep inside he instinctively knows these are the people whom he should trust.
Then again, that could also set him up for some Shakespearean shit.
kthnxbai9 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:37:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um this is pretty much universal. Look at how successful Michael Moore's films were despite being very blatantly biased.
arnaudh ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:47:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not universal. And his movies being successful doesn't mean a lot of the viewers - including some of his fans - can't be critical about it. A lot of liberals I know (even people who've never been there) for instance rolled their eyes at the part in Sicko where he praises the Cuban healthcare system. Or the part in Bowling... where he leaves a memorial at Charlton Heston's house.
The people I'm talking about will go all in instead. No critical thinking. No nuances. They buy it all retail.
EDIT: Since some people are feeling the need to interpret this in a partisan way, I'm not talking solely about liberals or solely about conservatives here. There are people like that on both sides of the spectrum.
kthnxbai9 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 18:03:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you think it's a bit strange that you describe liberals over a spectrum but all conservatives are black-and-white blind sheep?
arnaudh ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:05:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where did I say conservatives where "black-and-white blind sheep"?
Oh, that's right. I didn't, because that's not what I think.
Nice try.
kthnxbai9 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have separated the world into liberals and nonliberals (which I will call conservatives). Liberals criticize things even if they support their world view. Nonliberals just buy everything. Is it not possible that many or even most liberals also buy into the nonsense?
By the way, before you get too huffy about this. I am a lifelong Democrat that voted Hillary this election.
arnaudh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:14:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Where the fuck did I say anything like that? I didn't. I am perfectly aware there are plenty of liberals who are like that. I know some of those too. They watch MSNBC all day and follow Occupy Democrats on Facebook and they can't think for themselves. Why are you assuming I'm saying otherwise?
You have me pegged here but you're completely fucking wrong. Just because I didn't mention them in that previous post doesn't mean they don't exist. I never made a generalization about all liberals or all conservatives.
kevnmartin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:48:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You said "ill-educated". I guess to them that means conservative. Doesn't say much about reading comprehension.
Sofa_King_Cold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I've been fighting the war on Ignorance on both fronts since well before the election. I just don't like how many people on my facebook feed just buy into the propaganda spread by their particular biased news site.
arnaudh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people are looking for validation. Once you find a news source of a group of folks who have the same beliefs you have, it just makes you feel like you're part of a tribe or something. I don't know.
theivoryserf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
strawman.com
WaterStoryMark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That theory is a possibility, as well. There are so many people like this. And they're all on my Facebook newsfeed.
delliejonut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that's called paradigm shift. I don't feel like looking up Trump's school record but I imagine he's very well educated.
arnaudh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
His college transcripts haven't been released. But we do know we never made the honor roll. His resume doesn't make him "well educated". It doesn't mean he cultivated critical thinking - especially since he went into business. It just means he attended good schools. Bush Jr. made it to Yale but never was an impressive student.
Trump sure likes to tell us he's very intelligent though. I'm convinced he's street smart when it comes to business. Doesn't make him "well educated".
deelar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bush Jr. is regarded as amazingly intelligent, with huge scope and depth of knowledge and an incredible ability to absorb new information quickly. This has been spoken of widely by many people who have worked closely with him. There are many, many sources about this topic, and it is even known that his "dumbed down" persona was a purposeful and targeted transformation after loosing his 1978 congressional race due to his academic background.
Here's a radio ad from his opponent:
arnaudh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said Bush was stupid.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:31:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That puts you in the minority mate
theivoryserf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. My friend has a very high fluid intelligence and is incredibly street smart. But he knows very little about history, economics and politics so he is very susceptible to changing his world view.
delliejonut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paradigm shift- a fundamental change in approach or underlying assumptions.
arnaudh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware, but what I want to describe is not that fundamental change, but how someone is easily and deeply influenced.
diddy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was George Bush to a T.
ButtsexEurope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His whole campaign platform was based pretty much on Ann Coulter's book Adios, America!
jazzy_fizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm totally buying into this!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mate I don't even think it applies to ill-educated people. I know a very smart man, well paying job managing programmes in IT but he's been scammed out of money a few times by friends who knew they were onto a 'good thing' and he followed them blindly, often losing out in the process when it all goes tits up (property endeavors and some other side projects). He told me he was voting to leave the EU (Brit here) because of the Indians that are taking IT jobs for far less money Brits would. But then he's running major programmes for big companies.
Brains are weird.
arnaudh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, "ill-educated" might not be the best word I could have chosen. Note that I didn't choose "poorly educated", because Trump went to good schools. Technically, he wasn't poorly educated at all (although he told us he loves the "poorly educated").
By "ill-educated", I really meant someone who has some education, but is not well-rounded. Somewhat who lacks critical thinking. Who has seen the world or an issue through just one lens, and not necessarily the sharpest one.
Hopefully that makes sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting stuff.
Kid_Budi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The word you are looking for is gullible.
Toxicitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call it a wide open mind.
joncash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, strange no one has mentioned it, it's called saliency. Basically once you hear about something, you'll notice it more. Like when they say bad things comes in threes, you'll start counting bad things and count to three and be like OMG it's real.
Until of course the next thing to catch your mind that is. Here's the thing, you do it too. You just don't notice it. We all do it. We only NOTICE other people because we're noticing them more, because they're guess what? Salient to us :).
arnaudh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's not what I'm talking about here.
Learned__Hand ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you are describing America. Our cultural motion is towards being influenced by people rather than by facts. We are easily influenced to believe what we want to believe, and for very many what we want to believe is whatever our social circle or idols tell us to believe.
ifistbadgers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did he say that was racist, do you have actual quotes?
Wanting to keep illegal immigrants out is not by definition racist as he could stop Pollacks or Ruskies from coming in too.
disambiguated ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Name one 'racist' thing he's actually said.
Citation, please.
Random_eyes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He declared that Judge Gonzalo Curiel was not fit to try his case because of the judge's Mexican ancestry, in a case concerning his Trump University lecture thing. He walked back the comments, but still, that was a very clearly racist argument to be making.
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/07/481013560/ryan-trumps-criticism-of-judge-textbook-definition-of-a-racist-comment
disambiguated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:27:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next?
Random_eyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One translation might literally be the race, but it can also be translated as the community or the people. Besides, he's part of a Latino lawyer association, not NCLR.
This is what they had to say about the matter: http://sdlrla.com/trumppressrelease/
disambiguated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:29 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't 'racist' at all. Looking at that judge's rulings, it's very clear that he's biased.
iwannaart ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:56:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like when she called half of Americans deplorables?
throwaway5272 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:11:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not what she said, but don't let reality get in your way.
PicklePucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. She only called a quarter of Americans deplorables and irreedemable. So that makes it okay?
throwaway5272 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, she didn't. Half of America didn't vote for Trump -- approximately a quarter did, and I'm perfectly okay with recognizing that at least 1/8th of Americans can be regarded as deplorables. Note that she didn't say anything about being unwilling to help those people, despite their deplorability.
willvsworld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very, and I mean very, well put.
ThatOneChappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fucking irony in the ''he says it as it is!'' guy being a large con by being the ''he says it as it is!'' guy
murphykp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary drinks with the best of 'em. The only despicable thing about that photo is the insinuation that she doesn't know how to pour a beer off a tap.
admin-abuse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol the beer picture sums it up. Focus on what you're doing ma'am and we can all enjoy watching it more
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About the Facebook post... He posted a pic of him eating a taco bowl captioned "I love Hispanics" and this dominated the news for DAYS. He knew what he was doing.
CaptSkunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people seem to forget that Trump knows how to play the media game. He knows what to say to get attention. He also knows where the line is and how far over it he can go without ruining everything. He did just that this is whole election.
shinypretty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one? If so, I agree, I could produce a better beer than that and I am the world's worst Guinness-pourer. https://still4hill.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/03-29-16-y-18.jpg?w=500&h=282
modembutterfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate your point. However, please don't forget how many millions of people have been observing him since before Bill Clinton was President. We have more of a history from which to form opinions.
Neuermann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:27 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget pandering. The Hillary hotsauce thing made me cringe so hard.
shortoldbaldfatdrunk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at his advisors and potential cabinet appointments.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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akronix10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're watching the largest demolition team ever assembled taking shape. Of course they're going to have some eccentric people on board.
Paanmasala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...he gave him one of the most powerful positions around. Most people don't remember Bush's chief of staff. They do remember his strategist Karl Rove though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Paanmasala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To your first point, so we agree that bannon will not be a figurehead appointment. Thats the problem - the CEO of breitbart will be his active right hand. Lets not pretend that's the most likely outcome here is a good one for civilized society
Second, are you seriously comparing Hillary's shifting promises on cost of education to trumps demagoguery? This is some new level of false equivalence. He used dog whistles left right and center to win. Yeah, I think there is a word of difference between someone who promises to target religious groups and one who targets educational cost reforms.
Third, trump was never some candidate for pope. He was sued (and settled) multiple times for racist renting policies, was literally recorded about how he forced himself on women, has been accused in the past of assault, ex etc etc. Trump always had issues, the country didn't give a damn because he wasn't running for president. I promise that if you run for president, people would care more about your actions than they do now.
lady_jane_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:16:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was a stout, that's how they pour. they need to settle.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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lady_jane_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol did she hand it to someone like that?? I've only seen the picture.
BenjiG19 ยท 389 points ยท Posted at 16:55:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought he was running as a way to guarantee a Hillary victory (since he funded her and Bill for so long) and that he was acting nuts so he'd lose. He underestimated how much people hate Hillary and here we are.
ITworksGuys ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:56:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a video of him on Oprah back in 1988 saying a lot of the same stuff he campaigned on..
Trade deals and USA getting ripped off. He is serious about this stuff.
Even Howard Stern thinks he is crazy for giving up his life of luxury for this stressful/hardass job.
WaterStoryMark ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 16:57:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. That's what I thought for a while, too. And South Park played on that idea this season.
basskiller32 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:57:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Member Jana the hutt
jonasdash ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:46:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not.
basskiller32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You now what I mean b, and n are tight next to each other.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:29:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are pretty good friends, yeah.
jonasdash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
vety clever
MrGruntsworthy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's an anecdote about an idea I remember, a pitch for a show where someone tries their hardest not to get elected, but end up elected. Then they do the stupidest things they can, which end up being the best possible decision. Like, "Decide to nuke Canada, turns out they were planning to invade the next day". Shit like that.
Scary how that shit has come to fruition.
Neuermann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:18 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been really disappointed with this season. They really missed the mark and didn't see what trump was doing.
Instead, they are just fear mongering hard core. They didn't even write a trump victory episode because they didn't think it was possible. And now we're stuck with mr garrison trump for the next 4 - 8 years.
They really screwed the pooch on this one.
ubiquitoussquid ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 18:01:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His reaction to winning and his change in attitude after meeting with Obama seemed to confirm this.
CodeMonkey1 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 19:16:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that he was flying all over doing 4-5 rallies a day for weeks on end seems to dispute that. He worked way too hard for someone who wanted to lose.
His reaction to winning may have just been shock, in that although he really wanted to win, he internally didn't expect it to happen because of the polls.
chaz182 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you listen to anyone on Trump's team they absolutely expected to win. Their internal polling did a much better job of catching the movement in the upper Midwest than the public polls did.
asianperswayze ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:20:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did you observe shock? All I ever heard and saw was the expectation to win.
CodeMonkey1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shock might not be the exactly right word, but something in his face when he walked out to give his victory speech. Maybe just a mix of relief and pride or something, but I felt like there was a hint of surprise.
Farmerdrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exhaustion and relief?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:02:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think anyone is saying he didn't want it, just that everything showed otherwise.
CodeMonkey1 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:06:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen people seriously suggest right up to the end that he was intentionally trying to lose.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:10:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just delusional.
ifistbadgers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:40:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media was in the pocket of the opponent, and he isn't the kind to be humble and admit his flaws when the accusations are coming from people who suck at being journalists.
chaz182 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:29:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you listen to anyone on Trump's team they absolutely expected to win. Their internal polling did a much better job of catching the movement in the upper Midwest than the public polls did.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:59:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By all accounts, the trump campaign was extremely surprised that they won. They're also absolutely freaking out trying to put together a government during the short transition period, because he didn't have shit planned. They're going to have to make dozens of appointments, and they've already stalled a week because they had to fire Christie and replace him with Pence as head of the transition team.
Areanndee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:36:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Christie had a transition plan. I suspect it was more 'politics as usual' so he got fired and the plan was dumped. Then all the lobbyists got fired. Either they have no idea what they're doing or they're up to something. It looks pretty deliberate, tho.
DrStephenFalken ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK, his team is still full of lobbyists.
Areanndee ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:23:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might be a few hours behind.
Val_P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so Trump picked Pence to be his "bad cop" when dealing with the DC insiders.
Areanndee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks that way.
ifistbadgers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's hilarious how within 24 hours of the media frothing about that all those lobbyists were sent packing.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:43:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He got fired because trump was legitimately disgusted at his handling of bridgegate.
IWantALargeFarva ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone from NJ, I kind of hoped Christie would be in the cabinet because I thought he could do less damage there than here in NJ.
ubiquitoussquid ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was weird watching Kellyann Conway in interviews, trying to stay positive when asked about Trump's chances of winning the election. You could tell they truly didn't think he was going to win. I wonder if they had that we'll cross that bridge when we get to it attitude when it came to actually planning everything.
MallFoodSucks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:14:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't help Trump was extremely superstitious and basically didn't let anyone plan on him winning in fear it might jinx it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:48:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
by all accounts trump wasnt gonna win the primaries by all accounts trump wasnt gonna beat hillary by all accounts the media is consistently wrong
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:01:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um pretty much every political scientist had Hillary winning. All polling and data that we had showed Hillary winning by a landslide. The entire political science field is flipped backasswards right now trying to figure out what happened. It wasn't "the media". Experts were wrong. We were all wrong.
FatalTragedy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:28:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Literally no poll predicted a Hillary landslide. The polls were all consistently between tied and Hillary +6.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps that was hyperbole
ifistbadgers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:42:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need to stop trusting experts. CNN has panel after panel of people being paid to provide a narrative. Journalism is dead and the opinions of trust on the media reflect that clearly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:50:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are not experts. I am referring to professional political scientists who lecture and do research for a living. Not CNN analysts who they pay to sculpt a shitty narrative out of raw data.
Every piece of representative data that we had access to showed Hillary winning. This year it was not about a narrative, that is legitimately what all polling and other data concluded, almost without a doubt. It will be weeks/months before we see research that starts pointing towards social and demographic correlations that caused the outcome.
SeanStormEh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood that theory solely on the idea that say what you want about him, but no way that man doesn't have a decent enough ego to not hand anyone an election, especially being the last candidate against her. I could even see sort of an "either we way we win" type of scenario, but Trump of all people willingly losing? I just can't see it.
imapotato99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the same...but what took me from that side, is that Trump doesn't like to lose
gambit61 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:22:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was my theory. I still think it's true, but it just ended up backfiring spectacularly. Also, I generally vote Democrat, but have always considered myself Independent, and in this election, I didn't want to vote for either party. Hillary was terrifying to me from a policy standpoint (mostly because I can't trust any policy she says she wants because it changes every few months). Trump never scared me, but his FOLLOWERS scared me. The people who are going around and committing hate crimes and touting white supremacy. THEY scared me. Trump will probably be fine. It's the empowered hatemongers that will bring this country down.
Edwardian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:56:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not only Hillary, but Obamacare (the lies "you can keep your doctor" and "rates won't go up double digits") as well as the culture of "if you don't believe exactly what the media says you're a racist, sexist, xenophobe, etc."...
No, I just don't think that after 4 cops are killed in Dallas that Obama should skip the funerals and invite Black Lives Matter riot organizers to the white house during the funerals... It sends a "diversity and chaos are ok, murder is ok to get your way" vibe. It offended a LOT of America (obviously outside of Reddit.)
BenjiG19 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:05:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I for one was tired of being called a racist for 8 years even though I'm not. I didn't vote for Trump but I was very very happy to see Hillary lose. Reddit is an echo chamber for one ideology. My Facebook feed is the opposite.
usdeadpool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you in big business like he was you need to make the people who can get you permits and clearances happy. All business people do it to politicians of both parties
celtic_thistle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been saying this all along and now I don't know wtf to think.
DaisyKitty ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
uderestimated hatred for her so much she's currently running over 1 million votes ahead?
BenjiG19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:58:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many electoral votes is that?
DaisyKitty ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well, we're going to find out, aren't we?
avantgardeaclue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only people don't hate her, she won the popular vote
ReadWriteRachel ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:18:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree. He's too smart to have not known what he was doing. He might actually be an idiot, but he's not dumb.
punkr0x ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be argumentative, but I'm legitimately wondering, what evidence is there that he's smart?
ReadWriteRachel ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:49:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get to where he is in life without smarts. I'm not at all saying that he's a nice man, or a good man, but he had to have the intellect to successfully work the system to get to where he was a household name long before he ran for President.
punkr0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think his inheritance has been the major factor in his publicity. And it's possible that he would be even more successful if he had just quietly invested that money.
Nailcannon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:16:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible, but he didn't. He took the hard way and still made out good. Compare that to plenty of other people who inherit similar amounts of money and there's a clear disparity in achievement.
Paanmasala ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple studies show that trump has grossly underperformed both the stock market and the real estate market. Google "trump underperformed stock market" for more.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Paanmasala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you referring to? Its not about media. This is not the future or guesswork. This is historical information. You can take the base numbers and run the calculations yourself. The only guesswork is using trumps own estimate of his net worth.
failingtolurk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In capitalism someone has to use the capital and take the risks.
Paanmasala ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:24:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, and trump sucks at it. Started rich, did worse than average given the massive pile he inherited.
If Mark zuckerbergs kid made 50 billion on daddy's wealth over 20 years during a massive bull market, that kid isn't a genius. He's an idiot who underperformed, but is doing well because of the huge base he has.
Paanmasala ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He inherited his wealth, went bankrupt multiple times, sunk the public listed company that he team, losing money for all investors, etc etc. Mark zuckerbergs kid is far richer, but may have the intellectual horse power of a potato for all we know.
Trump is good at branding, but seems to be a complete lightweight in actual management and investment .
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Paanmasala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1000x? What are your starting and final numbers and what period of time? It's estimated that he inherited 200 million, excluding the tens of millions of initial funding and bailouts from his father that he received for years. If you assume he inherited only 50 million, he should be worth 50 billion by your multiple. Even he doesn't think he's worth that much.
If you run by the estimates of 200 million, he should be the richest man on earth, not some guy who gets denied loans or needs to run scam universities.
foxh8er ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:10:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He beat 15 experienced politicians/political candidates. I fucking hate the guy but I'll give him that. Him tearing down the Republican establishment was the highlight of 2015 and early 2016...until he won.
Teuthex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:32:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He mostly did it through manipulating a hostile media. Even if you hate the guy, you've gotta admit he has damn near unprecedented skills at that.
LBCdaze ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:18:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Uhh maybe that he runs multiple successful businesses, Starred on his own TV show for years etc. He is a very accomplished, successful man and surrounds himself with very smart people.
This rhetoric that he is stupid is ridiculous, and its coming from people sitting on their couch staring at their useless liberal arts degree on the wall as they get ready to clock in at Starbucks.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:33:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't vote for Trump, as I feel like the social cons outweigh the possible economic pros, but this comment is spot on. There's no way Donald Trump is not smart.
MacDerfus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So then Trump will be a persona in persona 5?
WaterStoryMark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I freaking wish.
MacDerfus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which arcana?
dmt267 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.theres a video taking quotes from his book and then uses examples of the ways he used those applications in his campaign
Meta0X ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it matter, though? Persona to win votes or not, he's given a large and hateful part of the population a victory, and he keeps bringing on terrible fucking people to work with him while he's in office.
Any idea that this was all an act is instantly cancelled out the second I remember that fucking Pence is his VP.
KakarotMaag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for all the contractors he didn't pay and times he's been sued.
duckdelicious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It somehow makes it worse, to me. I know all politicians lie but his hateful rhetoric was unprecedented. If he's a decent guy it makes it worse that he was willing to do that to our country.
intensely_human ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he really just hack the republican base to get into position?
polarfly49 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the Colbert Report version of Stephen Colbert for the presidency???
I'd die laughing. It was all a sham and he's just a genuine socially liberal, fiscally conservative moderate, like wut. Would also be what most of the country actually wants, even if they won't elect someone like that.
myusernameranoutofsp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that obvious? Why would that make people okay with him being president? It's what all politicians do. Based on his policy platform he'd be awful and that's why people should think he's an awful choice.
thrillhouse3671 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's weird is how he chose to put on that persona, if true.
vulturetrainer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hopeful this is the case, but I'm still worried about the people he's surrounding himself with.
joltto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which I personally think is probably true, but he also seems to be just handing the reins of the government over to establishment Republicans and big business people so it really doesn't matter who he actually is as a person.
Mithridates12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this make it any better? Pretending to be like that to win over voters is pretty fucking terrible.
Of course it could be positive in that his politics won't match his rhetoric, but the people he surrounds himself with don't give me much hope.
jobelenus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who has worked with him on business deals said they know exactly who Trump the candidate is. Because that is Trump being serious.
Of course he is a generic sometimes odd-ball human being in normal situations.
Klashus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said himself he did it for the media attention. Every time he said something everyone in the country would hear. You can't even pay for that kind of coverage and he got it for free.
DrStephenFalken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a persona and I'm not a fan of his. He seems like a genuine person now but knew he had to be entertaining to get the votes. I can't blame him for that.
Santoron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which in my mind makes it worse. This guy pandered to the worst in our society, and he knows it. All for an ego stroke.
-OptimusPrimate- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you explain the video with bush 10 years ago?
thepotatochronicles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is somewhat assuring, but none of this changes his history...
Grab her by the pussy? Many, many accounts of sexual assault? How about his history of kicking blacks out of his estate?
I sincerely hope he's a changed man, but his histories will still not be accounted for.
DazeLost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty decent guys don't start the Birther movement.
roboqwop1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mostly agree about the persona but what about the "grab 'em by the pussy remark"?
Sochitelya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the sake of friends who are super upset about him being elected (American friends worried about their healthcare, Baltic and Balkans friends worried about his relationship with Putin), I really hope you're right.
Norington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was being the anti-politician. So saying politically incorrect stuff, that then gets repeated and repeated on the establishment media (that also call his electorate dumb) is the best press he can have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a persona fabricated by the media by selectively editing and misrepresenting what he says. Anyone who has watched him live or at least watched his videos first hand voted for him.
helisexual ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The "Grab em by the pussy" thing? Pretty sure that was before he announced his run.
WaterStoryMark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Dude's a pig. I don't think that was part of it. He just is. That's a popular mindset for successful businessmen.
WampaStompa33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been this way since 2011 or 2012, when he went nuts with the birther stuff and constantly tweeted things like this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was one of the debates or maybe one of his speeches on his campaign trail, but I remember him saying something to the effect of, "I'll behave so Presidential, you won't believe how Presidential I become" or something to that effect.
arnaudh ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:50:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we elected the guy who owns the local car dealerships in my county. I've heard various stories about him and meet him occasionally. Sometimes he's a total braggart and behaves like a superior douche. Other times he'll leave a nice tip and be a decent human being. But completely unpredictable. Always drives a different car (obviously) and lives in a McMansion.
MacDerfus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This car dealer's name? Ronald Frump
Sw3Et ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Pmurt
yf-23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A McMansion, at least where I live, is a sign of someone who is rich but not wealthy
arnaudh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Although it's usually definitely a sign of nouveau riche.
BTW, here's a wonderful website explaining what a McMansion is, and why they usually are shitty buildings. It's also funny as hell.
z64dan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump Tower is a McMansion then I want one too.
arnaudh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
McMansions are usually built cheaply. You don't want that.
His Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago supposedly used good materials, but they're gaudy as fuck.
daedalusprospect ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 16:21:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly think everything during the election was a show. He may not be a great guy but he is smart.
I feel he knew what he had to say to rile up the right voters, and it paid off. I don't think he's supportive of the KKK or anything like that or going to do anything for them. He just wanted their votes and knew what to say to get them.
magenpie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that there's been a difference between Donald Trump the actual human being, and Donald Trumpยฎ the brand for quite a while. Everything about his public persona - the appearance, the manner, the way he talks, etc. - seems to be aimed at making him unique and easily recognisable. Even the appearance of his stuff is recognisably Trump. The election just turned all that up to eleven.
daedalusprospect ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:15:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Agreed. But I think this is true of any person who is in front of an audience. Gordon Ramsay has his, Colbert as well. As do countless others.
willyscape ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You actually commented in "that" thread. Put that blunt down, lol.
daedalusprospect ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sorry reply was typed in the wrong box in my replies. Had a similar comment in another thread and had to type quickly. Didn't bother to double check which one I was replying to XD Don't post in too many hot threads. You can't keep your replies straight.
Sinikal12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The election and the media turned all that up to eleven.
bizitmap ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:36:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if that's true he still riled up the KKK and other shitty groups of people, who now think "we won" and feel empowered to be shittier.
That's not an okay thing to do.
daedalusprospect ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:39:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never said it was. Never said anything he did was "right", just that he said and did all he needed to do to get elected.
centristtt ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:22:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The KKK also thought that of Nixon.
hehe, little did they know he would accelerate the end of segregation.
And the MBDA.
hehe, poor kkk
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:25:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Koopa_Troop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's roughly 9,999 times different.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of those times where your answer is so close to being the right number, but just that teeny tiny difference is enough to show you don't understand the concept. I would give you no credit if this were an exam
gcz77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, koopa_troopa. I was joking anyway, just about how he clearly subtracted when he should have divided.
gcz77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First of all quantity isn't the salient feature of this argument. In other words there is no reason to give any conceptual power to 10,000 people that you shouldn't give to a single person. Second of all the Klan condemns crime. They are a hate group but they don't kill people. Bill Ayers does.
The New Black Panther Party and it's leader endorsed obama. This is a group of "black supremacists" who don't like white people and absolutely hate jews, and activly encourages violence(which the klan does not). Guess which candidate this party endorsed?
And that my friend is what I call "the problem of narrative" and "arbitrary standards of rigour".
Also 3 of 4 white supremacists supported Obama when he ran. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a4719/racists-support-obama-061308/
kthnxbai9 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:44:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a bit unfair to blame Trump on, especially since he stated that he did not want their support.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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kthnxbai9 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:04:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about?
bizitmap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump said bigoted things. So there's two possibilities. First is that he meant them, which makes him a bigot. The second is that he didn't mean them. The only reason I can think of to say bigoted things but not mean them... is to get bigots to like you and vote for you.
So even if he said he didn't want the KKK's support, he sure chose to keep saying things that were music to their ears.
kthnxbai9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not what we were talking about in the first place at all.
bizitmap ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes we were? What thread are you reading
kick6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:36:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rewind 8 years, and it was fine-just-fine.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet that's exactly what blacks did when Obama won. And why our country is so divided now. Plus, the KKK endorsed Hillary, not Trump.
TheyreNotMine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:20:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The KKK endorsed Hillary? I guess that would explain why our state (NC) KKK organization is planning a Victory Rally to celebrate Trump winning. Up until 4 days ago (when it made natl media & they started getting a ton of hate mail & attacks that crashed their servers) they had a huge announcement about it on their website along with a big picture of Trump. I wish I would have taken a screen shot, but I honestly didn't think they'd change it.
According to what they've told our local media they're still planning on having their victory rally though.
John_Corleone ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:38:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sorry, when did he try and court the KKK's vote? I must have missed that.
lostboydave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see a lot of evidence for this. I don't think he's stupid, but I don't see any evidence of him as smart. He doesn't interview well and some of his language is so poorly constructed they border on confusing. For someone who's spent so much time on camera he's a poor communicator, and that's looking past his overall appearance.
I'm willing to be put straight on this and hope like everyone else he was just gaming the system, but I didn't see any brilliant plays before the election, just low level muck raking and comments that made him look ridiculous, which, as wee see from the likes of reality TV is pretty damn easy just as long as you can live with it.
Ms-Anthrop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:59:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's smart at self promotion.
lostboydave ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who is smart at self promotion is widely respected and revered. He's not. He's one of the most disliked people in the world. He's ridiculed by millions. He's seen as scary, threatening, racist, sexist, mouthy and a bully because of what he says and does. He's famous, yes, but so are Kim Kardashian and Snooky. They didn't inherit a massive, billion $ empire to get where they are. Trumps been trying to be famous for years. He's now 70. It's not like he's done anything notable or revered in the last 30 years when he would have been about Obamas age.
You want smart at self promotion just look at Obama or JFK. A far, far higher proportion of people think they're either charming, polite, intelligent, well spoken or all 4. Look at how god-like Steve Jobs was treated even though he was a total bastard. See how everyone used to talk about Bill Gates 15 years ago compared to now - he was practically Satan at one point. These are the people 'smart' at self promotion.
Ms-Anthrop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:26:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to inform you, but the society you speak of no longer exists. We are in the era of "facts mean nothing" and "reading is bad" It's all about feelings over fact now. Most of our society has the attention span of a gnat and the ethics of hedge fund managers. Trump got voted in, in large part because of how much of a douchebag he is. A great many Americans are this abrasive and rude. Trump didn't have to spend much money to gain the media attention. He didn't care if it was negative attention. I didn't vote for him and am NOT a fan of his in any way, but he played the media to his advantage, and I'm fairly certain that was planned.
daedalusprospect ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly. I don't like the man, and didn't vote for him. But he played this election just right.
Though to be fair, Clinton needed a more promoted platform.
Trumps platform views were always headline news (partially because they were crazy), but Clintons I never saw any big news for, it was all small less publicized articles. I had to dig for hers myself and do research (Which everyone should do). The only "Platform" I consistently heard from her on media or elsewhere was just "I'm not Trump." Which, while a good argument, it needed more to sway voters I think.
Ms-Anthrop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fully blame the media. Viewers = revenue. Controversy = ratings = viewers = profit. They showed Trump more to get ratings so most media was focused on how bad Trump was instead of how good Clinton could be.
daedalusprospect ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This too. In advertising, the goal is to get the ads in front of users as much as possible. Because more exposure means more likely to develop a like or positive view towards.
There were bands that I used to hate, but after listening to enough, learned to like. Same thing could be said about Trump. Hear enough about him you'll either get sick and leave, or theres also the camp that goes, "Well lets see what this guy is really about for them to talk so much about him." And they get swayed.
Ms-Anthrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While i fault the media for giving Trump all this free press, I'm also not sure what else they could have done with Hillary, as she wasn't exciting the voters at all. I mean the media couldn't have ignored Trump either. Not sure how society gets out of this little box.
daedalusprospect ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She reallydidnt. It really didn't help with her little quote about Bernie's supporters needing to be good little Dems and vote for her, but then saying she doesn't need us to win and then not courting voters. I think she got too complicit in the thought that there was no way she could lose.
Ms-Anthrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed! As a very strong Bernie supporter I really did not know how I'd vote until 3 days before the election. I really did not wish to vote for her, but being in a swing state I felt I had to vote against Trump.
ghsghsghs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:58:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having met Obama on many occasions and having worked with Trump a couple of times, Trump came off as much more intelligent.
Neither seemed dumb, both well above average. Trump just seemed much more intelligent.
You seemed to be biased against him if you are using things like his appearance to judge his intellect.
lostboydave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You appear to be a bad judge of character. I didn't say his appearance was anything to do with intelligence - I said it showed a lack of 'self awareness'. But I get that you might find Trump intelligent if that's your logic process. I'm also a skeptic so I'll have to question that you've actually met either to any extent. Don't forget there's people out there who think Sarah Palin is 'intelligent' and she's on the very low end of the IQ rating. But let's put that aside as it's all circumstantial.
I said what I said because there's hundreds of hours of video of both Trump and Obama. You can cite many instances where Obama gives sound, reasoned answers to very complex political situations. The worst photo out there is of him smoking. He doesn't sue, bully or insult people. He's clearly confident, never course or crude, he's charming, he's won people over massively with it. That's fairly undeniable and it's certainly not just my personal opinion.
Not with Trump. His language is confusing. His sentence structure and choice of language is primitive and simplistic. He demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of politics, science and law. He entertains daft conspiracy theories. He back tracks and apologises for ridiculous things he says. His branding is ugly and crude. His houses are tacky. Trump 'University' is a running joke. He swears (a lot) and insults as a 'tactic' and people hate him for it.
As I said I'm prepared to be convinced if someone can point to actual video, written or audio evidence that shows ANY signs of genuine intelligent conversation. It should be so simple to point to it and yet every time I ask I get radio silence. Can you point to ANY one instance?
Please prove me wrong.
Fishercat5000 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At some point his true feelings don't matter. White supremacists feel as if they have a seat at his table.
TGT0mmyP ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:19:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? No white supremacists are rising up. Do you believe the aliens are coming too?
Val_P ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn those white supremacists and their destructive riots in liberal cities!
Oh, wait...
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:14:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder as well. I suppose us plebs will never really know...
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:19:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'll know come January tbh.
MacDerfus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, some douche in an ascot will pull his mask off to reveal he's actually mr. Jenkins trying to get the golden dubloons buried in the white house back yard
I3ombastic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:57:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was absolutely putting on a show. He identified the largest group of angry, disenfranchised voters he could find, and appealed directly to them in the easiest way possible. His absurd statements and charades granted him so much free media attention that he was able to spend less than 1/10th what Hillary did. His entire campaign was masterfully run and executed.
What makes this scary is that we have no idea what kind of president he's going to be. Even if he tries to follow through on his promises to revisit our trade deals and implement term limits (actually good ideas!), will he be able to? He had to make allies with a lot of distasteful people, and his cabinet appointments are like 50% straight evil. Does he have the savvy and power required to reign them in? If not... we're in for a rough 4 years.
Shisno_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was an interesting set of posts on Imgur about Trump's tactics. I had been kicking the idea around in my head after watching the first Republican debate, and these two confirmed my suspicions.
http://imgur.com/gallery/HO5TT
http://imgur.com/gallery/SxpJC
bohlah00 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:05:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is the media, they did not want him to win
TheManWhoPanders ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:56:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neither. The media has simply lied to you about his persona. I'm dead serious.
thefezhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lolwut? Trump didn't need the media's help to look like a jackass. He did that on his own by insulting disabilities, insulting appearances, insulting families, advocating violence against his critics, threatening to sue any time a media outlet talked bad about him, etc.
myusernameranoutofsp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was putting on a show, he's still not an okay dude. Why do people's perceptions of others change so much based on some hearsay from a complete stranger?
whybuster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a show, he is a great guy I've worked on a couple of his projects yrs back and he is a hands on kinda guy, he didn't look down at us blue collar guys, I got the impression that he appreciated us being there and working hard
Warphead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No matter what your view, he was campaigning.
ItsYouNotMe707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or if the media brainwashed you. he said some stupid shit don't get me wrong, he didn't help himself much. but i've never seen the media vilify somebody this way.
mixmaster13 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the media who put on a show
Mercurylant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a big difference between being friendly and being nice or considerate. People often conflate them, but it's very easy for a person to be warm and pleasant towards most people they meet as a default level of interaction, but not act with much concern for the needs or feelings of others.
Trump is very probably, although I say this without having had the chance to observe him in his personal life, a clinical narcissist. And speaking from experience with other narcissists I know, some of them are definitely people who others would describe as friendly, warm, even "good" people (I know one person with Narcissistic Personality Disorder who's a social worker, a job people would commonly associate with altruism.) But at the same time, when you go beyond social niceties, they can show a truly staggering lack of consideration for the people around them. You wouldn't want to have them as family members, or as bosses.
Dent18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still want to know the truth about that piano story
That and Mike Pence are the only things about him that bother me
Nurum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have theory about this. I feel like he went totally extreme because he knew he needed the crazy right vote to win. (Just like Sanders did the same thing to the crazy left vote.). He knew that when he said something outrageous (like the mexican rapist thing) that some people would take it as literal and jump on the "fuck immigrants" bandwagon. Whereas the more reasonable people will see it has hyperbole and just figure that me means rational immigration reform.
Since he knows he needs both votes to win (because the crazy left people are voting left) he caters to the crowd he need to win and just assumes he gets the reasonable people vote along the way.
ms__julie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might behave differently when provoked, under pressure or angry. Maybe he cultivated it through his TV shows, a character he plays?
He definitely has/had some things going on (fraud with Trump university, not paying contractors) that make him seem douchey and ruthless. Question is how much he relies on advisors. If he is too arrogant to take advice from actual experts, the future is dark. But maybe he is not that self-confident as he presents himself and actually takes a lot of advice. Then I'm worried because of his current cabinet picks...
KickItNext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's the thing. His past suggests it was a show to get the votes he needed, but then all the people he's appointing to various positions are worrisome.
Parallax151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not taking sides in this at all.
But it is more than possible to have someone who you disagree with on every issue or has dumb/terrible opinions on a lot of stuff BUT is otherwise a decent human being who treats others on an individual level well.
captainalphabet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a game show host.
TheOtherCumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because people are three dimensional beings. Even 'evil' people aren't constantly foaming at the mouth and screaming at everything in their lives and 'good' people also aren't angels descended from heaven.
Just because he's polite to strangers he runs in to, it doesn't mean he doesn't believe in his ideology or that somehow its less dangerous.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced it was all a facade.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It is my firm belief that he literally without doubt has it out for the mainstream media. I think he really really wants to piss them off. I have some ideas as to why but I won't speculate.
In the early 90's, my Dad met Donald Trump while at a conference in Las Vegas. I cannot recall if it was for the Trump Casino or not but apparently Trump was visibly upset that his table placement was so far away from everybody else that he couldn't talk to anyone. I'm paraphrasing here "I'm sitting next to Joe? I already know what that SOB has to say"... Mind you, this was my father telling me this when I was a 14 or 15.
Haydens_Army ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Greatest con of our times (Not in a negative way like calling him a con- just saying he played the damn game and he won). He literally perpetuated the greatest backdoor business move ever and won the Presidency.
JournalofFailure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tony Schwarz, who ghost-wrote "The Art of the Deal," absolutely despises him and spoke out strongly against him during the campaign.
hockeyjim07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or you know... the media made him a giant douche instead of the completely normal, sometimes says stupid stuff, kind of guy that we all are...
at least that's the vibe im starting to get after reading through this thread :/ I hate media for never being reliable or honest any more :(
lanternfishes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean...everybody says stupid stuff, but I don't think I've ever said anything as stupid as the things that have come out of his mouth. I don't really care about secondhand stories that strangers on the internet share, I care about the actual words he's said.
hockeyjim07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea, i guess i just feel betrayed because i have yet to read one negative interaction on this thread yet. Surely if he is what the media has made him out to be there would at least be a mix of good and bad.
I by no means am saying he is saint however. Just more confused as to whom he actually is and will be moving forward as we've apparently yet to get a real picture to this day.
lanternfishes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's a successful businessman, meaning he's good at manipulating people. So in his day to day life he can make people think he's a down-to-earth, nice guy, and when he's running for president he can make a group of people think he cares about them and their issues. I personally think I've seen under the mask enough to think he's not a good person. But his rabid supporters scare me more than he himself does.
hockeyjim07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i can see that. I also see the same about hillary... unfortunately this election was 'my team vs your team' and no one actually tried to represent ALL the people. Hillary refused to listen to the real concerns of the working white class which is just down right insulting to ignore ANY group of people and only pushed her personal agenda by building a team of and voters who supported HER instead of working to support the people... it's ass backwards politics to operate this way and i'm frankly tired of it.
p5yk0t1km1r4ge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its a totally different trump than the media portrays. im not pro trump, im just saying the media might be making him look way, way worse than he might actually be.
Mithridates12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can also come across as a decent guy and be racist (just as an example of a bad character trait).
Yourcatsonfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what we were seeing during this presidential race was his tv persona.
Ratcliff01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can say this, the people who voted for him (most of them anyways) think he was putting on a show. I have many friends who voted trump. I have been in forums of trump fans talking about trump, and that is a common recurrence. They all think that he was "just playing the game"
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. I guess we will see.
Accalon-0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you assume he's horrible in short interactions? Even people in the KKK take their hoods off and are normal citizens.
heroinking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm how convenient. When people across the country are up in arms over your election, it must be nice to have a reddit thread full of stories about you being a normal guy.
Hindu_Wardrobe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or dementia
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if he is OK or not, but he has been a high powered businessman for a long time. With that and some vids I have seen here and there, he can be polite and professional which should not be a surprise.
bobsp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was putting on a show. The man is a very reasonable person by all accounts in person. I think this will show through in how he actually conducts himself in administration (but not PR).
beavis07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler loved him mum...
.. sorry to go there so soon, but seriously most people are nice enough day-to-day. It's what you do when your finger is on the button that counts :)
Bogus_Sushi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live next door to the son of a batshit crazy tea party politician that recently had to resign from his political position in a very red state. He (the politician) is extremely friendly and pleasant to be around. He showed genuine concern for us and seems like a great guy. I don't know him well, so maybe at some point his batshit craziness would become apparent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think show for the masses, read a bit of english history and you will see personal accounts of the "monsters" of their day being actually pretty normal and chill people in one on one settings but they just have to play up the persona for the people.
porncrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he probably is an ok dude. Problem is that ok dudes can still get drawn into doing or allowing some pretty awful stuff if they're surrounded with the wrong people. And he looks like he's surrounded with the wrong people.
z64dan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guy makes millions putting on a show for reality TV
Guy becomes president putting on show for America
p0rt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd give this a watch, it's pretty interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM
flair_bitch_project ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He could also have a brain tumor. That'll change your personality. Source: (spoiler y'all) Watched Everyone Says 'I Love You'
47dniweR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I never believed he was the person he seemed to be during the election. It didn't make sense, was too over the top and seemed calculated. For a while, the only thing that made sense to me was, maybe he was a plant to guarantee a Clinton win.
Now I'm leaning toward, he somehow figured out that he had to play the character he did, to draw the votes he needed to pull off such an improbable victory.
I'm positive he's not the person he portrayed, and I'm pretty sure he's a genius.
MedikPac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heyyyyy, long time Trump supporter here. I think I can shed some insight.
He does it for the free press. In fact he spells it out in one of his texts. "The Art of the Deal", I believe.
Believe it or not, that sort of verbose nature he put on is WHY people voted for him, not why many didn't. We knew he wasn't like that. In my family, I have some people that know him personally. But that sort of pomp and circumstance he put on was just that.
His messages stay the same, however. If you ask most people who voted for him, they will likely tell you that they know it's for show. And if not, it's not like the persona was entirely fake. I genuinely believe he's fed up with Washington and the media.
And one last thing: we don't agree with him on everything. But he seems to us like someone willing to compromise. Which isn't something that we can say for many other candidates in the last few years.
cheers_grills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
50% show, 50% media media manipulation.
Chardmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean, has anyone posting here been Muslim or obviously gay? They aren't in the groups he hates, of course he won't be bad to them.
SgtStubby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I came into this thread thinking "ha yeah I bet it's full of stories of him being a complete jerk" but now I kinda want to meet him cause he sounds like a pretty decent bloke behind it all.
mapere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate the power of talking heads repeating talking points on major media networks. All they have to do is say something, anything, and people will repeat it. 10s of millions of people watch everyday. Then 100s of thousands if not millions of people repeat it. Hivemind sets in and that's it. They have a massive amount of influence, be it right or wrong, correct or incorrect. I happen to think they displayed him as a bigot even though hes actually not. I do think he has harsh negative qualities but I don't think they are the qualities the media attached to him.
imapotato99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He manipulated the media in order to get FREE coverage, he played them like a violin
When people said "why did he say THAT" The reason was, deflect off DNC dirty tactics and HE dictated the scandal, which he had an answer for before it even hit the air.
Believe me, this is the guy we need running the country right now, guy plays the braggart and behind the scenes he is playing chess and is 4 moves ahead
Mrludy85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or go into with my thinking and think he is still a good dude.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was acting the way his supporters wanted him to. I've always said his supporters are the ones that scare me, not him.
aew360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only person in this thread who thinks he's a good guy? He says dumb things but if you wanna complain about immigration, look at Canada. You can't just waltz right in like you can in the USA. He's a great person with a great family
paskabai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is more the media then trump. When you watch his interviews, he's really a good guy
boatsnprose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still and always thought he was an alright guy. The problem with him is he gave racists the courage to go outside and call people shit and stab people because they're 'not the right color', and they feel like they have his support.
DaughterEarth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think his campaign manager knew what she was doing and he is willing to do anything to win.
The only actual question that matters at this point, imo, is whether he can shift to running a country instead of a business. If he can he probably won't be the doom and gloom so many fear. If he can't then I am also a little concerned, given how the USA is a big influence on my own country
Ham-Man994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or if any of these people have actually met Trump at all.
dontthrowmeinabox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible he has a form of dementia that changes one's personality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most stories I've heard about people meeting presidents suggests that they all put on a persona.
LateralEntry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never met him, but I've met a lot of people here in New York who have worked with him, and almost universally they have bad things to say. I hear he's very charming when he wants to be, but he's also a sexist pig and completely full of himself.
HAC522 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If , somehow, he actually is a decent individual whos campaign was just a large show of things that aren't actually "him," that doesn't explain his horrendous choice of VP and his doubling down on equally horrible cabinet choices
5yearsinthefuture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he was putting on a show. He's a social liberal. In fact, he may be what prevents the house and senate from getting everything pushed through.
jihiggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was a tactic to get his name mentioned on every liberal news outlet. it doesnt make a lot of sense, but in politics, almost all publicity is good publicity.
Moses_Black ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how he's always been.
Plenty of online interactions (not just on Reddit but Quora) have stated that he is polite and easy going, for the most part. Nothing like the persona portrayed on TV/election season.
He might be crass and ill spirited in private but he keeps professional for the most part.
WWIflyingace62 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:20:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I just say thanks for having this idea, op? Really helps to humanize the man.
hoopdizzle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:42:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orange
Bump-4-Trump ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:31:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buddy, a lot of media spin on trump. Hes been a public figure for a longtime. People call him a reality star. Which is true, i guess. But hes so much more. Hes been a larger than life business icon since before I was born.
Anyone curious of the real trump and not the media spin trump please watch some of this. Even for a min. This is your president, guys. You can absolutely be proud and excited about that.
https://youtu.be/OCabT_O0YSM
Extra credit: watch this video if youre curious about the divide in the country, class warfare identity politics, etc. President Trumps message is simple. Put america first. Enough with the gay, black, hispanic, female, blah blah blah. We're american. Put america first. Great video below.
https://youtu.be/q6c_dinY3fM
temalyen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's not going to be the same person we saw in the primaries and general election. I'm not saying he'll be better, I just don't think we're seeing the same person. Look at his acceptance speech from last week. That was not the same person who was running for President.
Edit: I have an itsy bitsy tiny hope barely surviving in me that says he might turn out to be reasonable as a President. This is why I'm not condemning him and panicking.
Aroha11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a lighter note, I wonder if he will have any physical make-over in terms of his fake tan and hair.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that is definitely the scariest part about Trump for me as well. Hopefully China and the rest of the world can pick up the slack if Trump does nothing to reduce our emissions further. In another thread, though, it was suggested that so long as we can sell the idea of renewable energy and electric vehicles to Trump well enough, as if to a businessman, then we should be able to push some initiatives. But that means going beyond the fearmongering line of "we're killing the Earth" (even if it's true). It needs to be sold from an economic and business standpoint.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Hateborn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:08:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, Congress still has to ratify any nominee for the Supreme Court and although the Republicans have a majority, it's not a huge majority. Couple that along with how that is a very radical view and I'm sure there would be bi-partisan support to block such a nominee. I'm sure that we will still get a conservative Supreme Court, but not radically conservative.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given that Presidents usually change their speech patterns after being in office a while, I conclude they get public speech training. Trump speaks in a very peculiar way, so I suspect he's already had some. I therefore look forward to seeing the two speech trainings conflict with each other.
joeysuf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people aren't giving him a chance. I think he's going to be pretty bipartisan. Yes he had Pence as his running mate and Pence has said some messed up stuff. However, that doesn't negate the fact Trump is President elect NOT Pence. Also, people keep brushing off the fact he announced at the primaries he would be an advocate for the LGBTQ community. If someone from the religious right had won the nomination and hypothetically won, the LGBTQ would be in greater danger.
Emperorpenguin5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look into the business deals he was doing for the irish golf course. My god STOP asking reddit and start actually doing research. This is absolutely retarded.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:01:42 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Emperorpenguin5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:18:08 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't being an edgelord you twatwaffle. This is me being sick of the stupidity that you and people like you inherently exhibit on a daily basis. You want edgelord? Have a plague to wipe you out, That's being an edgelord.
Was_going_2_say_that ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:16 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of us will see him as our media wants us to see him
Doctor_Arkham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:18 on January 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi it's the future- it's not good.
bigbigtea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm worried because I'm becoming less and less worried about him. Here's something else that made me think it won't be as bad
Kbratch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if he started running as a joke and then began building up traction and he really didn't want to win--cue acting like an ass. He figures, if he keeps this up, he won't win and believes that all the way to the end so he keeps up the act. Then, he wins! He has an "oh shit" moment and drops the act because, against all odds, he won.
zbeezle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was kinda worried about it (and I even voted for him) but this thread has me in high hopes for the future.
CharizardPointer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious (no judgements), but if you were worried about it then why did you vote for him?
zbeezle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasnt super big on Clinton either, and johnson was blowing his chances big time. i live in a state thats voted solidly blue for longer than ive been alive, so i figured it didnt matter, clinton was gonna win us anyway.
sillykatface ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bet it's orange regardless
LolliaSabina ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 16:10:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that Marla? Melania isn't Tiffany's mom.
persephone83 ยท 599 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it was for sure Melania. Trump and Melania weren't married. My mom was actually surprised at the time how clingy Tiffany was to a lady who wasn't her mom haha
LolliaSabina ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 19:09:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of sweet. Makes me like Melania a bit more.
cpt_pancreas ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 19:45:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sort of feel sorry for her really. Whether she married him for money or not (lets be honest, it probably was) she probably expected a nice easy cushy lifestyle. Now she's expected to have all these responsibilities and is going to be scrutinised to hell.
[deleted] ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 20:43:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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maanu123 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:31:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all? 60 minutes I watched a few hours ago, she seemed pretty calm.
apriloneil ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:41:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sincerely wish her the best. She's gonna be in for a rough ride.
oftherestless ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:59:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Ivanka is going to take the role and Melania will end up supporting her.
Axelnite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
does she have to be?
Dranx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as they're married...
Night_FoE ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 21:26:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was rich af before she married him. She was already an extremely successful model.
[deleted] ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 21:44:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah....but it's two different kinds of wealth. Modeling money will get you hella drugs, some nice cars, invites to celebrity parties, fame, easy lifestyle etc.
Real estate billionaire money will get you an island and a helicopter, as well ensuring your bloodline is taken care of for generations.
Blanketsburg ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 21:48:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to Gisele Bรผndchen. Despite Tom Brady's earnings, she's still the breadwinner of the power couple.
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 21:50:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Bokonomy ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:07:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And also, Tom Brady is a lot more attractive than Trump, let's be honest.
nomochahere ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:59:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still, she wasn't a tramp, she was/is a millionaire, so that's a lot of fuck you money, obviously billionaire is a lot more than millionaire, but if she wasn't happy, she has enough to go and live a nice life without him. Don't think she married for money, these rich and powerful dudes are a turn on for girls, plus there are girls that actually like uglier men or older man, shit I will never forget the fantasy of one of the most beautiful girls that I met, she wanted a fat/big hairy fairly rich (she is rich, so it was for the point of ) greasy guy in a suit calling her to suck his dick. That's the weirdest shit I ever heard from an apparent normal girl. Really opened my eyes.
snorlz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea..brady and gisele are the type of rich who can afford to buy a penthouse in trump tower.
CompanionCone ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:26:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Gisele is not just a model, she's THE model.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:30:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NFL money doesn't compare at all to the 1%. Tom Brady might own some equity in some successful businessss but he's no real estate mogul.
Conjwa ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:38:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to make about 300k/year to be in the 1%. Pretty sure Tom Brady makes close to 100 times that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is worth 44 million. But I guess I didn't realize that's how much it took to be in the 1% .
FerretInTheBasement ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
44 million is nothing in comparison to $1B+. That amount of wealth is incomprehensible to the average person.
plebean_student ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:37:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Tom Brady is richer than 99 percent of Americans..
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a snake?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean?
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well damn, I guess so.
rivershimmer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Melania was successful, but not Gisele successful. For example, she only landed a Vogue cover around the time of her (highly publicized) wedding.
luxeaeterna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol Gisele is in another league compared to every other model in existence.
Night_FoE ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 21:52:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly how rich does one need to be before haters stop calling you a gold-digger? I guess multi-billionaires can only marry other multi-billionaires in order to avoid that label...
TheMegaZord ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 22:15:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could see Melania marrying Trump because she is attracted to the wealth of Trump. There are women who are attracted to money and power, that's perfectly fine. Doesn't mean she is a gold digger.
_Molobe_ ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 23:59:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Find me someone that isn't a bit attracted to money and power.
akesh45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mary a women not 20 years younger than you?
goldishblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much, even Mariah Carey was called a gold digger for dating whats-his-name.
ForeverFun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's like what athletes realize after a while...yeah, athletes can get rich...but they are being paid by someone that is insanely wealthy.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you realize Gisele Bundchen's salary dwarfs Tom Brady's?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but I'm talking about being rich vs real wealth and you are talking about who makes more in some marriage celebrity marriage. How are they the same?
Giselle is worth 300 million more than Tom Brady....she doesn't even have half the money truly wealthy people have.
goldishblue ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:06:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know how much models make. It ain't much.
Night_FoE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you know how much more successful Melania was compared to average models.
HailMahi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:32 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Objectively, compared to the other models active during the peak of her career, she wasn't very successful. More than average, yes. She was good and she got campaigns and runway shows, but she wasn't pulling the same money and publicity as the Big Six, who were her contemporaries. She was at most B-list. Perfectly respectful and more successful than most, but it doesn't translate to earning the oodles of cash you think she was getting.
mbeezier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On Sunday's 60 Minutes, Trump said he asked permission from Melania before asking all his kids for permission.
Spoiler: they gave him permission.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:44:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do believe she was already a millionaire when she met the Donald.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:33:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is a model, they aren't exactly known for being super shy and not wanting to be in the public so I kinda doubt your judgement here.
TheGluttonousFool ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:32:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit different scruntiny though. As a model, I guess she only had to worry about if she looked good and was charismatic enough to network for her field. As the first lady, she is going to need to be charismatic with her speeches to impress an entire nation (as well as other nations). She will also be following in Michelle Obama's footsteps which is no easy feat (both Michelle and Barack are great at speeches; even the State of the Union address isn't that boring).
Not to mention, I wonder how long it'll be before she [Melania] legitimately gives a great speech, but no one will take a second to wonder if she copied from someone else.
VicisSubsisto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But hey, immigrants don't usually make it to the White House.
perkel666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:58 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Melania was supermodel and had higher education. Trump has a lot money but Melania was rich herself before.
llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:44:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's not to like about Melania?
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:35:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, her speeches for one. But honestly, she didn't decide to run for First Lady, I'm not going to cast too much shade at her for not being well prepared. I don't recall Cindy McCain saying much of anything during her husband's run.
llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:50:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't think it's her bag. Ironically, I think she's quite liberal and has had to be quiet about it not to hurt her chances. A lot of liberals hate her by association but might find an ally if they weren't jerks about it.
mbeezier ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:53:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Trump is very liberal when contrasted with GOP runner-up Ted Cruz.
llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soon to be attorney general Cruz
mbeezier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it.
LolliaSabina ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:16:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from the fact that she willingly bound herself in matrimony to Trump?
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:33:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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LolliaSabina ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:42:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I find the whole serial adulterer thing a bit of a turnoff.
CommitteeOfOne ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:20:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember back during the Clinton administration, people who said something like they didn't like the idea of a president who was a serial adulterer were often told that this is an American thing; that Europeans don't have this "hang up."
LolliaSabina ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:32:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a president, I'm not fazed. In a husband, I'd have a problem.
aeiluindae ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:39:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. It's arguably even specifically a US thing, because Canada certainly doesn't give a shit about politicians' personal lives beyond actual conflicts of interest (like leaving classified documents at your girlfriend's house when she doesn't have security clearance and has links to the Hells Angels or taking kickbacks from Airbus when purchasing planes) or general bad behaviour with taxpayer money (like the recent Senate finance scandals).
Peachy_Pineapple ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:16:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was pretty noticeable a few years ago when France's President Hollande had been apparently cheating on his girlfriend. The American media were up in arms, but when they asked people on the streets of Paris, they were just like "We don't care about his personal life, only how good a job he actually does".
llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:48:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm not a fan either. But that's politics I guess. Bill Clinton. Anthony weiner. Eliot spitzer. They're everywhere.
floydfan33 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:46:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nute Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani. At least try to spread the adultery around.
SadGhoster87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or rather, don't
roeravid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*nut Gingrich
ZombieCharltonHeston ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:50:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rihanna and there are still tons of women that not only love him but outright defend what he did.
profkinera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that comes with marrying a powerful man. Wealthy men in power seem to all be adulterers
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:33 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just is a change in the power dynamic. There are likely just many more opportunities available and women throwing themselves at rich and powerful men
Chardmonster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a dim view of women, assuming they're all shallow! I wonder where else you post.
Oh I see
llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh so it's a dim view, not reality? Meanwhile on Buzzfeed: "men who date way out of their league," a slideshow of dozens of supermodels married to old, ugly zillionaires and rock stars.
Look in your life honestly, away from Reddit, and tell me many women don't value power and money and influence above looks.
Chardmonster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:23:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So, supermodels--you mean women who already have money and influence? They're into people who also have money and influence, just like them? Wow, amazing. Shocking.
Women appear to value personality and responsibility. Now you'll often get influence and a decent paycheck from that, but increasingly women don't really need that. Hell, in a lot of households women are equal breadwinners, even when the husband is rich. Lots of households where both are lawyers, engineers, doctors. At a tier with lower income but relatively high social status, lots of professors marry professors. Lots of teachers marry teachers. Execs marry execs. It's almost as if people are into folks like them!
But let's face it, the guys who are all about telling us how women are apparently all desperate to date millionaires at the expense of all else tend to have nothing to offer women except demands and complaints.
llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said all women. Wtf. All I pointed out was that women like Melania are often around men like Trump. It's not a surprise. Ever watched the Oscars? Every fat old piece of garbage has a hot model on his arm. Ever seen aging rock stars with their little starlets? This is not groundbreaking. It's reality.
Chardmonster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Melania, who was already a wealthy woman?
No, dude. Not all of them. There are plenty of them with wives their own age.
Again, ever see the aging rock stars with wives and girlfriends closer to their age?
I guess, if your concept of reality comes from Buzzfeed listacles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some women do. Some don't. This is a really unnecissary generalization
StezzerLolz ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from the fact he's possibly committed sexual assault? And admitted it? Anyone remember the "grab her by the pussy" debacle? No, apparently that's already lost to history...
Juicy_Brucesky ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:22:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even dave chappelle said people need to get over the grab you by the pussy thing. he said they'd let you grab them by the pussy, so it's not like he's raping them - and he also said he's not wrong either women fucking throw themselves at celebrities and rich men to the fact that the women should be seen as the disgusting ones
gRod805 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:28:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you being sarcastic? A lot of women came out saying it was not consensual. And what does Dave Chappelle saying something matter? Who's he the authority on and for whom does he speak for?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheAmazingCheese ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:30:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many sexual assault or rape victims are too terrified to do anything about it while it's happening. Just because they didn't stop it doesn't mean that they were willing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:33:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheAmazingCheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I never said anything about Trump. All I did was correct you about how consent works.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do believe they call that a strawman.
llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've convicted him of sexual assault. You're the one creating straw men
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you have some kind of reading comprehension issues, so I'll just leave you to it.
pcmsia07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, the former Governor of California used to grab pussy and I haven't heard anyone whinge about that.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuS214tVIAA3gqF.jpg
gRod805 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:29:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must not live in California.
Workaphobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sleeping with a married man. Also plagiarism, unless that was done by the staff. Aside from that I don't mind her at all.
llIllIIlllIIlIIlllII ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how plagiarism only comes up with her. Biden was caught plagiarizing a ton. Almost cost him his seat many years back. But I guess that doesn't fit the narrative much.
duckdelicious ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:04:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering Trump wanted Marla to abort her and he treats her like an afterthought, I can see it. Melania is very glamorous but she strikes me as very warm and motherly.
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:37:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I'd go quite that far, but hopefully any decent person would be welcoming to a young child that might soon be a stepdaughter.
Offthepoint ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:38:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The knee-jerk reaction of most men who've been assured that she is taking birth control. Nobody likes that dirty trick.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just so happy someone likes Tiffany.
Tyr_Tyr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird because Marla said that after their divorce she effectively raised Tiffany as a single mother.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you made it up.
redditortoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Save me from the bad man..."
DocJawbone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha
Badgerbud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm.. She's gorgeous. I'd want to stay close also
WhatYouProbablyMeant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just trying to stay away from Trump, probably
howardkeel ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:27:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she was her future step-mom at the time. It's possible they were and are close, even if not mother and daughter.
snorlz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maybe but tiffany also grew up with her real mom, not melania, and lived in LA while Trump has always lived in NYC
capn_hector ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:17:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Donald Trump has always resented that he is not from old money. For example, after he bought Mar-A-Lago he immediately started pretending he'd owned it forever, inviting the neighbors over for dinner and having them partake in "a tradition we have here at Mar-A-Lago" that he'd just established. Most of those neighbors had known the original owner since the estate's construction 75 years before, and did not appreciate a noveau riche pretender strutting around the place.
Anyway, getting to the point here, Donald Trump has always resented that he is not from old money. His father made his own fortune, and Trump has always had an inferiority complex about it. The New England old-money elites have something called the Social Register that includes all the names and addresses of prominent high-society families and Trump reportedly has always resented that he was not included in it, and especially that they have always rubbed his nose in it with stuff like using him as a specific example of a rich person who's not elite enough to be in the Register.
But do you know who is always included in the Social Register? The President of the United States.
I don't think that's the only reason he's running for president, but I think it's really a microcosm. He wants to be famous and recognized, for everyone to have to respect him and his power. During his Comedy Central roast, the only off-limits topic was implying that he wasn't as rich as he said he was. He thinks that as the President, everyone will have to acknowledge and respect him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that is definitely an interesting tidbit...
stationhollow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:57 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maaaan it would be so satisfying after 30-40 years of being snubbed and insulted by them to finally win.
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:33 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that Trump wants approval from the snobs who think they are superior because of their genealogy. He thinks their sense of self importance and elitism is in American and mock worthy. He especially loves trolling this group is snugs. He always has. Me too. Again, it's NOT motivated by wanting to be like these people or feeling insecure. It's the exact opposite.
FemtoG ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
very surprised to hear Melania and Tiff were so close. Tiff seriously feels like the kid that gets zero love.
persephone83 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:50:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Well the poor girl was born during a media shitstorm about her mom and trump having an affair but when she was little her and Melania were close idk about now though
BGYeti ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:38:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because she is like the oldest Smith son, they stay out of the public and live their own life
Luftwaffle88 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:18:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duh. He was going to run in 2000 on the reform ticket.
And was almost the vp pick of papa bush in the 80's but then lost out that job to quayle.
chris622 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:09:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, considering how anti-Trump the Bushes have been throughout the 2016 campaign, even after Jeb dropped out.
bsbbtnh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:43:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And do you remember why he didn't run in 2000? Because David Duke endorsed the party. Lol
rvf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except papa bush seems to remember that Trump merely wanted to be considered for VP, but Bush considered the idea "โstrange and unbelievable." Trump disagrees and says he was approached by Lee Atwater rather than the other way around. Unfortunately, Atwater died in 1991, so no real way to find the truth at this point.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:29:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A documentary shows he'd been thinking about running since the 80s. And that The Apprentice is set up to make him look authoritative and making tough decisions, basically, presidential.
I_am_not_hon_jawley ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His very first wife said he had expressed interest in it in the 80s
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:32:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't Tiffany be glued to Marla's hip? Marla Maples is her mother, not Melania.
persephone83 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:36:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the odd part and the reason my mom remembered it. Tiffany was clinging to Melania and it was weird at the time
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where was your mom working? Was this at her offices or on site? Tiffany could have just been uncomfortable in a new environment with strange people; children naturally gravitate to people they know. And Melania would have been the most maternal influence there.
persephone83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was in an office environment
IAmBadAtPlanningAhea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hes been saying hes going to make a run for president every 4 years for at least 16 years so that makes sense. this is just the first time he actually did it.
scottcphotog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can picture Jimmy Fallon saying this in a Trump impersonation
DrStephenFalken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been something he's been planning on and was asked in interviews since the 80s.
PabstyLoudmouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is what I think, he chooses his words very carefully and knew the people hated politics as they are, it really doesn't matter who, we need someone that is not a politician to bring these divided houses together to get some shit done.
I hope there are term limits for congressmen, 24 years is plenty.
I do think we should kick out people that come here illegally. Sorry, but literally every country on Earth has way harsher penalties for this crime and we already take in more legal immigrants than anyone on Earth every year. It's California that is pissed about this because that is their under the table worker that does all the shitty work.
Get tough on China? yes I agree with that. They falsely manipulate the value of their currency, have some of the worst working conditions, longest hours and lowest pay. They should have been on a trial period to get into the WTO, and this bit us in the ass. It has gone on too long and now they have a good bit of leverage. Get tough now of it will only get worse.
fairly_common_pepe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He teased a run in 1988 on Oprah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000
He also ran in 2000.
frostburner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been planning on running for president since he became famous.
kurt_go_bang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think its always been in his bag of plans. I mean he has run at least once before, maybe more, cannot recall.
rustybuckets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for President in 2000.
FUZZ_buster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, to be fair, I don't think people just wake up one morning and think they are going to run for president. It takes years of planning and fundraising. That's why in the US most candidates - Trump is obviously an outlier - make their way up the ranks of political positions before it happens. They build political capital over time, like gathering experience in a video game. And yes, I kept it as two words. You heathens who treat videogame as one word are fucking savages.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems odd that tiffany would be glued to her step mother's hip and not be there with Marla Maples.
persephone83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes we have established that and that's why it was remembered -- because it's so odd
Qman1198 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he ran in 2000 and every election since...
p0rt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has been considering president since the 80s. Check it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM
Srslyhammerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for president in 2000 which was 16 yrs ago, it is likely that he had some idea he was going to run, but you never know...
CreativeGPX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he did run for president in 2000 if you didn't know. But he withdrew because (I'm not making this up) he complained about social conservatives taking over the party and said he couldn't stand by that.
-Jason-B- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did run for president at 2000, and had politics as a hobby since 1978.
Raveynfyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he ran on the independent ticket in 2000? or was it 2004?
Good_Behavior_Day ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump challenged Buchanan for the Reform party nomination in 2000.
ThrowawayusGenerica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your mother was a gender-confused builder of golf courses?
persephone83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:09:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um what?
LordofNarwhals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He talks about it in this Playboy interview from 1990.
In that same interview he also stated what is in my opinion is the most disgraceful comment he's ever made. He praised China for how they "handled" the Tiananmen Square protests.
When he was asked about these comments earlier this year he had this to say:
paxgarmana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
has your mom seen/witnessed/heard of trump trying to get subcontractors to accept less than the contractually agreed money?
daredaki-sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't think he's much different than he was back then. Maybe a tad more outlandish but I feel like half of what he does is showmanship catering to the public. Not to say he's a genius or anything, but I feel his persona is more deliberate; like an attempt to be more real to the average man.
Dozosozo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you added "back then he pleasant" .. Nobody seems to acknowledge he is giving up a leisure billionaire life to do arguably the most stressful job in the world... And not getting paid for it directly (denying his $400k salary)
AnotherThroneAway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to now?
hippogriffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this EXACT story before - I think we know each other but I have no way of figuring out how haha. Was this for his course in PV?
persephone83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's PV
hippogriffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Palos Verdes
persephone83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no this was on the east coast
armorandsword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great story, it seems like there's been talk of him running for many, many years. People were asking him about it decades ago in TV interviews.
bumblebritches57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there's video of him talking about running for President in the 80s if things didn't get better.
Here
Korashy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading this and other posts, I'm really wondering if he's suffering from mild dementia and just has that loss of a "filter". I don't know.
It's like reading Mussolini had a pleasant personality.
cjh57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he was decent. He was with his wife.
rivershimmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is nice to read since there are rumors that he wasn't really involved with Tiffany's upbringing. It's nice to hear that they were around each other often enough for her and Melania to bond, and that Melania was kind to her little stepdaughter.
Be_The_End ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It somewhat annoys me how you keep saying 'back then' he was pleasant and professional. A private environment like that is entirely different from the public personality he is now, I doubt that he wouldn't be the same way if you met him in the same circumstances today. Personally I think he's a decent man, he's just molded his campaign persona into this over-the-top no-shits-given oompaloompa that I don't think represents who he truly is. Other than the oompaloompa part. That dude orange as fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for the Reform Party in 2000
Pinyaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was actually a presidential candidate for the Reform Party in 2000.
tomservo417 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's video on youtube (Oprah show I believe) of him talking about it in the late 80s early 90s.
indil47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this, too, from a friend of a friend who was on an early season of The Apprentice. He was also all along planning to run against Hillary at that time.
iwascompromised ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His first public mention of it was in 1988.
Swimmingindiamonds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Tiffay raised in California by Marla Maples?!
shinypretty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, this made me laugh.
TheWiredWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has been running for president for like 30 years, your mom's uninformed, lol.
EvisGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he grab your mum in the pussy?
NotYourMomsGayPorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An article I was reading today mentioned that he actually did run for president under Reform Party back in 2000. Upon closer look, it appears he ran for the party nomination, but lost to Pat Buchanan...still interesting, though.
This article talks about the 2000 run and also highlights some of his behavior at that time
Heh.
pardon_my_misogyny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran for president in 2000, so that's probably what he was talking about.
tossme68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family owned a small business that sells custom tile. Trump's company called up looking for tile for Mira-lago, I think the whole job w/o installation was about 300K. They said they loved the product but would only pay 85K, needless to say we didn't take the job and after hearing the stories about him stiffing suppliers/contractors it was a good thing we passed.
N0T_an_ape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He ran twice already. He wrote a book and ran for prez to promote it both times. Same thing here he just happened to win this time.
the_calibre_cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite. Billionaire leader of the free world. Still answers to his wife.
ShillinTheVillain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a really good video on YT that shows him in interviews going back to the late 70s and the idea of running was mentioned clear back in the mid 80s, although he stated several times plainly that he had no interest.
I'll link it when I can find it again, but it was eye-opening for me to see that he's been saying a lot of these things for 40 years now. He seemed a lot less crazy.
Edit: https://youtu.be/OCabT_O0YSM
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would believe this 100%
reaverdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:05:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The part where you talk about Tiffany being glued to Melania's hip is really interesting. Really humanizes the Trumps.
geacps2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thanks for the backhanded compliment
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just know trump was trying talk melania into golden cabinets.
CrazyRabbi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's talked about it many times in the past
Burge97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because he did, he's been talking about it for now 30ish years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1987/Trump-U-S-Should-Stop-Paying-To-Defend-Countries-that-Can-Protect-Selves/id-05133dbe63ace98766527ec7d16ede08
trippinwontnothard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tiffany was glued to Melania's hip? Seems weird since it's not her daughter...
jst3w ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did she get paid?
Remount_Kings_Troop_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the polite way to say Donald didn't grab her crotch?
bertrenolds5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:53:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would imagine he is nice before he refuses to pay the designers for work they have done before he has his team of lawers cut the bill in half.
persephone83 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:37:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He paid my mom's team handsomely...it's the laborers and non executive he doesn't pay
I_am_fed_up_of_SAP ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:24:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like your name, btw. Why did you decide upon it?
persephone83 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! Persephone isn't my real name but I love Persephone and Demeter's story in Greek mythology. I just added 83 cause it kind of rhymes and simple Persephone wasn't available haha
I_am_fed_up_of_SAP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goodness gracious me...
scottyv99 ยท 1246 points ยท Posted at 21:47:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to school with Donny Jr and was friends/teammates with a few guys in his fraternity, so I met him and hung out a few times in a group. Super nice guy. Not pretentious or jerky. Even in a small, closed group I never heard him say anything remotely bigoted or elitist. And we were 20. Very polished, but genuine guy.
I also met Ivanka once and got the same vibe.
[deleted] ยท 284 points ยท Posted at 23:33:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 03:03:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric looks like a fucking vampire
SkyrimsSweetheart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:00 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/2015/10/16/640/360/101615_ff_erictrump_1280.jpg yes. He does.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 04:37:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm seeing the same thing throughout the thread. Interesting to me.
I was an intern on the Trump Campaign and got to meet Eric, he talked with me and the rest of the team I was on for like half an hour, and he wasn't even on location to meet with us, he was doing interviews that he put on hold to talk to us.
He seemed like a decent guy, he was very interested in what we were doing campaign wise, but also asked about Millennial/College Student problems we faced.
_Molobe_ ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 00:08:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere that Eric Trump is a tall guy. As a fellow tall guy he can't be that bad.
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 18:31:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Hotguy657 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 22:09:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's up my biggas?
r3dsleeves ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:33:00 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bigga checking in
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 01:11:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Tall people are great, and should be given a tall-person tax rebate or something.
CacodemonMan ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 02:15:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1% of Americans control 99% of the body height in the country. This is unacceptable. /s
060789 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 02:32:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grab the bonesaws boys, time to do some redistribution of height
norwegianhammer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:59:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phew! Good thing I slouch.
Lunncal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:34 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's apogee appropriation and it's not OK.
plop0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:22:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/tall
maninbonita ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:50:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's always one in the family
Triton_330 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:34 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you lead me to information about him that isn't flattering?
Xiotech ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 00:48:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think Ivanka is the smartest Trump of all... I really believe that. Her replies on 60 minutes were so measured and thought out.
snuke_in_her_snizz ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 23:14:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that during the campaign one of the very few good things he had going for him was his family. His kids were so well mannered and personable in every interview they gave. They just seem very likable overall and you could tell they weren't raised to be spoiled, troubled brats. I didn't vote for the guy but I have to admit he did a great job raising his kids based solely on how they turned out.
georgeoscarbluth ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 23:49:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He kind of famously was not very involved with his kids when they were little. A lot of credit should go to their mothers.
idlephase ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:52:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was why the "say one nice thing about the other" answer from Hillary Clinton at the end of the second debate was a subtle burn.
CanIEditThisLater ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 00:38:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, I also found his "say something nice" answer to be a subtle burn. Telling Hillary Clinton she never gives up to me somehow implies that she tries really hard but is unable to get what she ultimately wants.
Mufasa_needed_2_go ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 00:55:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is completely true if you think about it. Hillary Clinton has dedicated the bulk of her life to becoming president and this election has all but guaranteed that she never will be.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:24:51 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for giving me an erection.
CanIEditThisLater ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:59:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:26:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, even if he did spend a lot of time raising the kids it's still a burn.
Maurno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like a cop-out
milhouseisa_meme ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:56:25 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In an Ivanka interview, she said she would call him every day at school during recess and he would pick up her calls even if he was in the middle of important business meetings. That sounds very involved to me
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:45 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivanka's devotion to his campaign was impressive. She did more for trump than Chelsea and bill combined did for hillary
Metiri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5d8zop/serious_people_who_have_met_or_dealt_with_donald/da3bl70/ ?
iushciuweiush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did it say?
Metiri ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Said that he went to everyone of his daughters plays while she was in grade school. I don't know why to believe anymore though
goldstartup ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:49:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. We must have watched different segments. They seemed incredibly spoiled to me.
MrInternetDetective ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:22:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Donald supporter, but maybe you are thinking of Eric. Never met him but he gives me a ....douche vibe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was not involved in raising his kids. They all describe as more of an older brother than a dad.
SaloL ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:59:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's Don Jr. like? I've heard negative things about Eric, as others have said, but Don Jr. seems like a decent guy from the outside, despite looking a bit like a Disney villain.
Greevil_95 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:02:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like 3 weeks ago Trump Jr. stopped on the way to a rally to help a woman push her stalled car out of the road. Then he went to call for some help and bought water for everyone that was stuck there. It could be a campaign/reputation thing, but I can't see many other celebrities or politicians doing the same thing.
Video and article
ThisIsFukuoka ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:19:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was she hot?
Stupid question now that I think of it.
N0ahface ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Picture of Ivanka the year that op met her
Yeah
Planetoidling ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:15:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What fraternity was he in, if you remember?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:57:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FIJI was the only group of frat guys I could really respect. U Mich grad here
wameron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just to make sure you are aware, every fraternity is different on a chapter by chapter basis.
iLovesThis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:25:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but he looks like he goes purging.
scottyv99 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:17:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True
kanyedbythebell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:29:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did people actually call him Diaper Don back then?
scottyv99 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:34:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I also knew Scott Melker, the fellow Penn grad quoted in the article that you're referencing, and it doesn't surprise me that he would have a crazy personal account that seems totally implausible.
Article: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/heres-some-wholly-believable-donald-trump-jr-gossip-1788563032
Donny did seem to shy away from his name and, like most of us, probably drank too much in college. However, I don't recall him stumbling around or being mocked school wide (in fact, if you had beef with A FIJI member you were SERIOUSLY barking up the wrong tree).
What I do recall was Scott Melker came off as a phony cheese dick who sang lame covers at open mic nights to try and impress ladies. The kind of guy who subtly tried too hard to act "cool" and aloof. A lot of people bought it, I didn't. His subtle statement about OTHERS hanging around Donny's room yet he just happened to step out and catch all this? Seems to jive with my impression of Scott and HE was probably out in the hall trying to sniff a little fame, no?
To be fair, Scott was in TEP and I didn't like any of those guys. All trying hard to be the shit, but not. I recall beating their ass in the Greek league basketball final and they acted like babies, then one of their members tried to talk to me about class bc our pledges had pulled some prank on their pledges. Basically trying to tell me/us how our pledge/fraternity should behave, as if I cared what they thought.
Since Scott posted such a public story and put his name on it, I have no problem putting him on blast. Guy was a tool and attention whore. Seems like he hasn't changed much, based on this article.
scottyv99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gas on the fire: how many "world famous" DJs do you know with real Jobs? Still faking the funk, it seems.
http://www.melkerhomes.com/about/
fastrx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i fucking hope you tried to ask out Ivanka? COME ON DUDE!
scottyv99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never had the chance to rap w her, but I did invite Chelsea Clinton to a big party once. She didn't make it. Oh well.
Booty_Is_Life_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone else said that Donald Jr was a douche so I'm not sure who to believe
RunningUpThtHill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't he a recovered alcoholic?
PhillipJFry32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:15 on January 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Jr has that political vibe to him, I could see him getting involved in politics and running soon.
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DJNAHNAHNAH ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that contrasts this account:
http://newcenturytimes.com/2016/11/04/trump-jrs-college-classmate-shares-shocking-story-about-what-father-son-are-really-like/
now i don't know WHO to believe!!!
bobby4444 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:48:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait lmao people are believing that story. That he just walked up to the room and slapped his son and left. Not to mention I highly doubt he just walked around drunk all the time. That story sounds like complete bullshit
Flamesmcgee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:29:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, I think I can spot your problem right there. Even I, a proud bleeding heart liberal, can spot stuff like this when I see it.
DJNAHNAHNAH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/heres-some-wholly-believable-donald-trump-jr-gossip-1788563032
here's the original source i wanted to post but didn't want to take the time to find. There are supporting claims in the comments as well. But that's just what they are - facebook accounts and comments. much like just what all these anecdotes are .. just reddit comments.
_Molobe_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, everyone know the New Century Times for it's fair and biased articles.
DJNAHNAHNAH ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:31:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/heres-some-wholly-believable-donald-trump-jr-gossip-1788563032 here's the original source i wanted to post but didn't want to take the time to find. There are supporting claims in the comments as well. But that's just what they are - facebook accounts and comments. much like just what all these anecdotes are .. just reddit comments.
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ala1985 ยท 456 points ยท Posted at 22:12:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A very close friend of mine was actually on The Apprentice. I went to an event with her and met him. He was polite and didn't set off my creepy vibes. When my friend's mother died, he paid all of her final costs.
She's been approached repeatedly by media outlets and asked if he sexually harassed her or if she witnessed anything inappropriate when she was on the show. She said no; he was always with at least one security guard in any green rooms and he was always very nice and respectful to her and the other women in her season. Of course that never got published.
[deleted] ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 01:04:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually am on-board with a lot of his policies, but even still... this thread is blowing my mind. The media steals from reddit constantly but other than a few smaller sites, this will all get ignored.
ala1985 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 03:17:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The funniest thing is that my friend opposes most of his policies and is on the far left, however she supports him as a human being. This whole thing is a shit show.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 04:43:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I shouldn't be that surprised because I know how biased the media is. But hearing it, dang...
terminbee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:05:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really think Trump is bullshitting. His entire platform is seriously crazy; whether you're a Republican or Democrat, believing his spiel about deporting all Mexicans and stuff is just stupid. From a purely logistical perspective, this is an impossible task, not to mention the fallout from it.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:13:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize Obama has deported millions?trump has said he wants to deport illegal immigrants who are criminals only.
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story%3Fid%3D41715661?client=safari
BroadStreetElite ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:32:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama deported even more immigrants than the Bush administration, he just didn't go around and say a lot about it. That's the problem with a lot of people these days, no independent thinking, everyone hates Trump because of his media coverage, but our cable news has been utter crap for years. I'm just surprised so many people went into this election with such a hivemind.
balrogwarrior ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:35:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you start listening to Trump's speeches in full, particularly the one where he addresses the night club shooting, it is totally different than how he was portrayed by the media. They cut it down and made it into sound bites to portray him in a bad light when in the full speech in context, he makes some very valid points.
trippinwontnothard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:07:52 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yuppers
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Obama has deported very few. They changed the definition of a deportation to include turning someone away at the border, which had not been the case before.
terminbee ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do know. I'm just saying to deport every single one is crazy. Obama did not deport every single one.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:28:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did Trump say he was going to deport every single illegal immigrant, not convicted of any crimes?
trippinwontnothard ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:02 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are seriously a fucking idiot. I suggest you actually read and try to understand "his entire platform."
terminbee ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:34:26 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. That's the way to convince someone. Just tell them they're fucking idiotic.
trippinwontnothard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:04 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm not trying to convince people of anything, I'm just an asshole.
flex_geekin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:51:13 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're also retarded
DepravedMutant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:14:09 on November 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I wanted him to win but I always imagined he'd be a bit dickish in person. I haven't seen a bad one yet.
ThatIdiotTibor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:45:30 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cyndi Lauper?
She was on an Australian morning show leading up to the election and they kept trying to get her to say something but she wouldn't budge.
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ciruj ยท 367 points ยท Posted at 21:47:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sold some retail items to him. He was incredibly nice and humble. We talked about sales in general, he passed along some closing skills and talked sports. I like the guy.
aDoer ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:38:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and the closing skills were
MeowntainMan ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:47:45 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Biggest missed opportunity when it comes to closing deals is simply asking for the sale, but asking in a way where it's not a question but rather a statement. So instead of "So do you want to get this deal wrapped up?" say something like, "Alright, go ahead and sign right here and we'll get this wrapped up for you so you can enjoy your new [insert product here], you're going to love it!"
DepravedMutant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:48 on November 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in sales and was told something like that and I thought "That's ridiculous, how can that make any difference", but you'd be surprised by how much more sales go through that way.
MeowntainMan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:06:10 on November 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've done sales for 10+ years. There is so much you can do to "prime" the buyer to buy something, it's kinda scary. Like for example, when selling cars you always refer to the car as theirs and have them do things for you, but nonchalantly like, "Here's your keys, go ahead and open your car door for me." (during test drive).. Then when you're on the drive you can say things like, "Turn left here for me" - It's always "for me" or "we" or "us"... Then when the time comes to sign, you simply say, "Go ahead and sign here for me" and you get a much higher rate of sales because of words that you "prime" the buyer with.
I'm ruined because I do these things in every aspect of my life.
madhousechild ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:09:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Always
Be
Closing?
Goasupreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on January 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid
-Michael Scott
Emperor_Septim ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:20:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy just used those skills to become president. You can't leave us hanging like this.
UnicornBiceps ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:07:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep
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Stupid
avettwhore ยท 5771 points ยท Posted at 13:17:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did work for one of his golf courses in California. He signed a bunch of shirts that said "You're Fired! - The Donald" on it.
He actually seemed pretty reserved and easy going. Definitely not the persona he portrayed while running for president.
intensely_human ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 20:54:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"No you're really fired. Please leave"
Diamondrubix ยท 1066 points ยท Posted at 16:20:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that makes me feel a whole lot safer. Don't mind me asking but did you vote for him?
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 19:21:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is, we didn't elect just Trump, we elected him, Pence, and the entire cabinet they choose. Those are what terrify me. So many people vote only on the presidential candidate, while the appointments they make and the VP are considered minor.
Sawses ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 21:01:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Truth be told, the VP isn't my biggest concern. I'd probably have made a similar choice, in his place. Get all the Christians on board, so the more liberal ones don't vote for Clinton instead. Very smart move.
Now, Congress... Well, that's another matter. Still, I think this term everyone will focus more on the economy than on social policy...And while I disagree with nearly every issue on the Republican social platform, I wholeheartedly support their economic points.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:22:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on some of their history, I fear they will actually do the social ones first. Those are what their constituents seem to care about. Pence may not be able to do much now, but look at what he did in Indiana as an example. His most impactful laws were the ones on social issues, and now there's an AIDS outbreak.
Sawses ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:27:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but I don't see the feds giving up reelection to keep a minority of their supporters happy. Those supporters will vote for the GOP no matter what, so why bother? Especially since they never actually said anything about social issues, for the most part.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're a minority, but also the loudest and most consistent base for them. A lot of those supporters are exactly the ones they brought Pence in to bring on board, so I think they legitimately feared losing the GOP vote form them. Who never said anything about social issues? Those are the only things I've ever heard about half of the legislature.
Sawses ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of Congress has kept quiet about social policy this election cycle--it's mostly Democrats repeating things they've said in the past. Sure, they said it, but most of them don't give a solitary shit about whether gay people can be married legally, they just want votes. So they get votes, and damn if it's not easier to do that with an economic platform that people can actually agree on.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously it's all speculation until we see what they actually do, and you have a point, but I'm willing to bet some of the first things they push through (major things, not minor budget changes) are the kind of social issues they couldn't do before without having all 3 branches. As for economic platform, I really don't get why people support one that relies of cutting funding to things that are already grossly underfunded, like schools. Any argument about local taxes and voters having a say is just saying 'fuck poor people, they don't deserve good schools'. Funding needs to come from the top. Sorry, tangent, that's a whole new discussion lol.
cursedcassandra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:04 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do not need to speculate. Trump paid out his agenda or to do list for his 1st 100 days in his Gettysburg Address. He just put out a video of what he will do on day one as well. His focus has always been on jobs and safety and the end to interventionist wars. He has a New Deal for inner cities and especially focused on protecting LGBT and Muslim Americans from Islamofascists. He'll be great because he does not put ideology or politics ahead of doing what's right for all Americans.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What happened?
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:45:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He made such restrictive laws on abortions and Planned Parenthood in general (even ones that don't provide abortion at all) that entire parts of the state are without a place to get STD testing, or other services that they provide for cheap/free. The lack of clinics and testing availability is being linked directly to an STD (AIDS specifically) outbreak that is 'the biggest in 20 years, possibly ever' according to experts. Basically, his crusade against Planned Parenthood (even though most don't provide abortion) led to no affordable STD testing in poor areas, and now they all have AIDS outbreaks.
jswill15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:13:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to the articles I have read(very scholarly, I know) this epidemic has been caused mostly by drug abuse
alexbhood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's right. Pence was morally against needle exchanges and a lot of the outbreak was due to intravenous drug use.
gaviidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other way of looking at it is that Planned Parenthood is so in favor of abortions that they refuse to spin that part of them off in order to get the support of everyone. Not only does it hurt their funding but it also means fewer women will go there because conservatives, who are often poor, are anti-abortion. Abortions and STD testing shouldn't be connected. It's just as easy to see Planned Parenthood as the bad guy.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:14:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody is in favor of abortions. That is a massively deluded opinion. No liberal wants abortions. They are a last resort option when things have gone wrong. They are not pleasant for anyone involved. Ideally, we would never need them, because the only pregnancies would be planned (see where their name comes from?). Abortions and STD testing are connected because they are both related to sexual health. PP is merely an organization seeking to supply low-cost health services to those who need them. Seeing it in any other light requires some very tinted lenses.
lady_baker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A few people are actually pro-abortion. Fetus cookies at rallies and all.
And this argument... it is really hard to sell to someone who personally knows a woman who has had multiple, serial abortions. It isn't a "deluded" opinion, just exaggerated.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What world are you living in? I'm sorry if that's a bit harsh, but it's my genuine reaction to 'fetus cookies'. Please, please provide a single reputable source for that, I dare you.
lady_baker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The National Review acceptable? It isn't a big 3 network or NYT, but it has been around a long while. Yes, its conservative.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/434362/
Also, fetus cookies doesn't mean people making cookies into fetuses, in case that is what spurred "I dare you" and etc.
EDIT: Patheos followed up. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/04/22/conservatives-are-flipping-out-over-a-college-skeptic-groups-abortion-rights-display/
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for providing sources. And yes, that was the reason for my tone. I've heard people actually say things like that, I'm glad you're not another one. I think it's important to see the difference between supporting the right to get abortions, and supporting abortion as an action. I'm willing to bet that virtually everyone involved in those activities is the former, not the latter. There will always be extreme cases, but I think most would agree those people need professional help if they really support the latter.
gaviidae ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand why they were connected. What I don't understand is why they would keep them connected knowing that it creates funding problems. So the question to me is: is their priority STD testing and women's health or abortions. Because keeping the latter is significantly reducing their ability to do the former. They would rather be directly involved in abortions than protect their funding to do everything else they do.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Abortions are less than 3%of their services. Also, the funding is separate. It is already illegal for government funds to go to abortions. The crusade against PP to defund it literally only takes away from their other services. It is done only to pander to the religious right.
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:20 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turn it around then. If only 3% of their services are abortion, why not split it out into its own thing and secure vastly increased funding for the other services? We've alreafy concluded the vast majority of their work is other services.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:54 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because that 3% still needs a building? Still needs nurses? Why does it matter so long as the funding is separate? The funding problem is just politicians pandering to people who don't care that the money they cut wouldn't go to abortion anyway. They want the entire organization closed because they think its evil and even providing contraception is bad.
gaviidae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure ignoring what I said and downvoting me will bring back the funding. You're ignoring what I wrote so I guess I'll do the same for you.
Metoray ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
From what I read so far he closed the only HIV testing center there, planned parenthood. Don't know if there's anything else. Just google "mike pence hiv outbreak" and pick a source you like.
edit: the comment /u/gaviidea made below is probably more relevant.
gaviidae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also opposes needle exchange programs which is probably the bigger issue. HIV was spread through dirty needles. Blaming STD testing is saying that those who are willing to exchange dirty needles are also willing to get tested and act accordingly on those tests. Which seems a bit of a stretch.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:36:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Polls show differently. The number one concern of voters is the economy.
discobob1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:17:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. I'm a social conservative and I want them to focus on the economy. It's been stagnant for the last decade. Repeal ACA and replace it with some simpler, more effective healthcare legislation. Loosen up regulations on small businesses, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to nominate a pro-life SC justice. I just think most people are tired of the social issues right now. We got hammered for being against gay marriage, abortion, marijuana, etc. over the last 8 years. Republicans need to just back off for a bit and win some confidence back into the conservative ideology by fixing the economy. If and when they do that, we can get back to the culture wars.
thirdfounder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, though, that he's no Republican. He had to hijack their party and the GOP folks detest him for it.
I'll be interested to see what exactly he'll sign off on from the GOP Congressional agenda. I don't think he's the enemy progressive Americans think he is today, having lost the election and being out of their heads.
beardedcroughton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard someone here say that Pence was really insurance for Trump so that people would be discouraged from impeaching/assassinating him. If something happens to him, we get Pence as president.
Sawses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep! But I'll not worry about that until I have reason to think Trump might not actually live the whole four years.
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Zarten ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:22:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at it from the right wing perspective. When Obama was elected, the right saw that as the downfall of the 2nd Amendment, the rise of entitlements, and the decline of the pro-life movement.
Basically, the president elected didn't represent their values, and Obama was basically the anti-right. However, they got the House of Representatives and the Senate, so that restored some hope.
Even though voting Trump meant voting for the cabinet that he deemed fit, it has always been that way. What do you think Republicans were thinking the day Obama got elected?
Double standards right? I like to think of it as a see-saw. Sometimes, you go really high, but sometimes you hit the ground, too.
coredumperror ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:50:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All those thing you mentioned that the right feared about Obama weren't stated policy goals, though. They were, if you'll pardon the pun, trumped up hyperbole.
Trump, however, has stated very clearly that he's going to deport millions of Mexicans, gut the government programs that are fighting climate change, and throw strong support behind the fossil fuel industry. This isn't just speculation by biased anti-right organizations, which is why I'm so terrified right now.
KremlinGremlin82 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:44:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, ILLEGAL Mexicans. Can you comprehend? I'm a legal immigrant, and I am appalled at the rights that illegals have here. Wtf? It took us time, money, interviews, efforts, etc to become Americans. These people just sneak in in truck beds, ffs, and then we have to support their multiple kids.
coredumperror ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 11:10:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, do illegal Mexicans not count as Mexicans, then? Because if they do, there's nothing wrong with my statement.
stationhollow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:19 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because them being mexican has nothing to do with why they are being deported. Illegal immigrants should be deported. Many of them happen to be mexican but that is not why.
Helplessromantic ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:03:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said he's going to deport illegal immigrants, race isn't relevant.
CohnJunningham ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:49:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People often forget that like 2.5 million illegals were deported under the Obama administration. So if Trump is so bad for that position then Obama must be pretty bad too right? But the climate change denying is a legitimate fear.
eggsssssssss ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:24:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
problem being that they had politicians and media telling them that obama would enact gun confiscation programs and eat babies, while the left's more rational fears right now are all things the GOP has or has tried to do in the past. Not to mention it's not just a cabinet thing, the Republican party also has majorities in both the house and the senate.
AverageInternetUser ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:30:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We see how it played out but part of me thinks that scare helped keep Obama away from gun restrictions. Also he only had 2 years of house control to pass it and he chose healthcare to do. Prob could have done it anyway if he wanted
eggsssssssss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:37:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The republican congress halting him at every opportunity stopped him from passing gun control legislation, not the outright lies about gun confiscation programs
AverageInternetUser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 years of dems
eggsssssssss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 years of democrats, sure, but Obama's presidency was one of being forced to pick and choose his battles to an unprecedented extent. The republican politicians were after his ass from before day 1
AverageInternetUser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike trump now
eggsssssssss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:04:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, unlike trump now. People had it out for Obama no matter what he was going to do. His presidency has been center-right and he was still beyond vilified by the right. People on the left will always rage against trump's perceived character flaws, but if his presidency sits well with them I'm sure you'll hear people looking back on the initial outcry with retrospective relief. I don't know a single republican looking at the Obama presidency and saying anything close to "that wasn't so bad"
TearShitDown ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:44:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think we are going to have serious rights violations as a result of Trumps presidency, you're bought into the rhetoric way too hard
eggsssssssss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:08:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends entirely on how you define "serious rights violations"
TearShitDown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything not including abortion or gay marriage.
eggsssssssss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize you were qualified to make these kind of calls. When can I expect to see you appointed to the Court?
TearShitDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im there on Tuesdays. Just missed me
SpaceDog777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It interesting how your fears are always more rational than the oppositions!
Also the Democrates held all three branches after the '08 election.
eggsssssssss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:10:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh believe me I'm well aware there's no shortage of irrational fears coming from the left. How does that mean that the noise about Obama secretly being a terrorist-sympathizing muslim is any less irrational?
SpaceDog777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bit of an extreme example isn't it? I may be wrong, but it read as you saying that the right's fears were silly, where as the left's are rational.
eggsssssssss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's extremely irrational, yes, but shockingly commonplace to hear. And that's close to what i'm sayingโthat over the last eight years the republican party has been stoking the republican voters's fears of unprecedented scenarios, whereas the fears of the left today (the more rational fears, at least, I acknowledge some people will wail bloody murder just because they can) are scenarios that have been and can be again
SpaceDog777 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:17:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not American, so I will admit that I don't see 100% of what is going on, but from what I have seen the left is being just as silly as the right. From the right I will see a post about how the UN is going to invade, from the left I see a post about how the Jim Crow laws are coming back. Both sides also have a fair number of rational fears.
eggsssssssss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:20:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
look up history of voter suppression laws in the United States. Also: it sounds shitty to say this, but unless you live in America and take a very avid interest in both american politics and american history, don't expect to be able to make heads or tails of whats going on, because its only ever going to keep looking like heavily polarized silly people. The best of us can only just barely make sense of it. Shits nuts
SpaceDog777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am very interested in American history and American politics. I'd say it is easier to have a level headed view from the outside.
I'm not a fan of the Democrats or the Republicans at the moment, all anybody seems to be doing is shutting themselves in echo-chambers and not trying to understand why the other side is thinking what they are thinking. The same thing is happening all over the world, but it is worst in America.
eggsssssssss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is
VicisSubsisto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the conservatives are afraid of the country turning liberal, and the liberals are afraid of the country turning conservative? Wow, shocking.
stationhollow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:09:59 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they arent. Things like Trump hates mexicans and wants to deport them all or all muslims will be banned from immigrstion and the ones in the country will be rounded up.
eggsssssssss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:27 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that those things are unlikely, but tell me they're irrational when
--there is a promise on his campaign website to push to end immigration from muslim countries
--a member of his transition team has suggested creating a registry comprised of americans who immigrated from those countries
--and as reported by TIME four days ago, Trump plans on Sunday to announce he'll try and deport at least "2-3 million mexicans in the united states
And REALLY don't tell me there's no historical precedent for that last one. If you need to, look up the Mexican Repatriation.
People are afraid of shit like that happening again, they're afraid of the strong stigma against gays coming back--not just getting equal marriage revoked, but a return of laws like the law in texas which until 2003 made gay sex a prosecutable offense. Or of a return of the Committee of UnAmerican Activities, very recently proposed by Newt Gingrich.
TempAlt0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence isn't a problem unless Trump dies. Which is probably the main reason Trump picked Pence.
gaviidae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that Republicans having so much control will force them to behave like grown ups. This is their chance to make America great and if they fail they will have to change the entire party.
If you're really scared of Trump then you're probably spending way too much time reading liberal news. Just like it's so obvious how people watch Fox News too much it's also obvious when Redditors are too much in a liberal bubble.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:10:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence believes in theocracy. Trump has stated he thinks climate change is a hoax. Multiple people in now-powerful positions in the legislature think the earth is 6,000 years old. That many people in those positions being in complete denial of basic facts scares me, and should scare everyone, liberal or conservative. That opinion is not a result of being in a bubble.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:11:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you remember anything joe biden did that was significant? Probably not, I wouldn't worry so much about pence.
PlausibleBadAdvice ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:16:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most significant thing Joe Biden contributed to Obama's administration were these hysterical memes at the end.
ZeldaZealot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:43:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about the Onion articles.
Spa_5_Fitness_Camp ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:26:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My fear is that Pence will influence Trump as a result of Trump continuing to need the support of those he brought on board by adding Pence to the ticket. If he doesn't cater to at least a few of the positions that Pence supports, he will lose the voters that arguably won the election for him. Edit: Also, look what Cheney was able to do with Bush. VPs can have power in the right situations.
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:55 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think so. The election gave trump the validation he needed.the vast majority of republicans owe him for getting reelected now.
Metoray ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:43:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I heard Trump himself said that Pence will basically be running things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other problem is, a LOT of people voted for the Trump they saw during the campaign. If he backs off on all of his nasty promises, they're going to get crushed in the mid-terms and he'll only get 4 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get your concern about the cabinet, but not about Mike Pence. Tell me, what did Joe Biden do over the last eight years? What of his personal political agenda that didn't allign with with that of Obama did he try to impose on the nation? Get real.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:22:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know enough about it. Did Cheney make a lot of policy?
ZeldaZealot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was considered to be highly influential of Bush's decision making. I was too young to really follow it at the time, so this is second hand.
avettwhore ยท 2359 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did not. The campaign he ran and the rhetoric he used is dangerous and disgusting.
Diamondrubix ยท 430 points ยท Posted at 17:59:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and i am not pro trump, just saying, trying to make the best of the situation.
CarmenTS ยท 770 points ยท Posted at 19:35:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Trump is and has always been fairly Liberal/Democratic... the problem isn't necessarily him, the problem is Pence. The problem is Giuliani. The problem is Bannon. The problem is his millions of followers who blindly believed and act on his rhetoric. So I get what you're saying, but it's not looking so good, lol.
EDIT: I am NOT NORMALIZING HIM, fyi. His rhetoric has been disgusting, dangerous, and completely unacceptable. He is an EXCELLENT propagandist whether he knows it or not and that is extremely worrisome. I'm talking about Trump the individual, however, but for whatever reason, he chose to appeal to the lowest common denominator of people by using bigoted rhetoric and he won. It worked, even though I don't think that's how he really believes about (certain) things. Doesn't make him any less of an asshole.
EDIT 2: I cried when he won. Actual tears of despair. I am not absolving him or normalizing him. I am speaking only to the person he's portrayed himself to be publicly for the past 4 decades with respect to politics (which was fairly Liberal) and not of the absolute fuckery that's he's done to this country during the primaries and the general election.
Isord ยท 570 points ยท Posted at 20:09:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This doesn't absolve Trump of wrongdoing. He ran for office as a Republican, he ran on a campaign of anger towards illegal immigrants and Muslims, he picked Pence, he picked Bannon.
Trump is the problem. None of these people would be politically relevant anymore without him.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:40:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does everyone assume republicans are angry at illegal immigrants and muslims? I can sympathize with them while still wanting to take action against them. Yeah, it sucks living in Mexico, too bad, we have thousands and thousands of homeless and can't afford to bring in a bunch of illegals who we can't monitor and backgrounds we have no idea of. Oh you're a refugee? Sorry, there are also a shitload of "refugees" who are lining up to drop some mayhem on the US. I understand why they want to come to the United States, but at the same time, we don't have the capacity for it, we can't take care of all of these people. There needs to be some form of moderation, can we take some? Maybe. Can we take all? Fuck no, and we will destroy our country from the inside out if we try.
Also, as a republican, I have a hard time believing the democratic party(not democrats mind you, the politicians themselves) views these people as anything more than votes. They realistically have done nothing for them other than say they have done things for them. They want to give them amnesty so they can lock up elections for the next 30 years.
827753 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:49 on December 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Yeah, it sucks living in Mexico, too bad, we have thousands and thousands of homeless and can't afford to bring in a bunch of illegals who we can't monitor and backgrounds we have no idea of."
Why do you think it sucks?
Here's an explanation that's over a decade old, and is still accurate: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-nafta-good-for-mexicos-farmers/
Building a wall won't fix this issue. Neither will negotiating US favorable trade agreements.
-Reddit_Account- ยท 207 points ยท Posted at 20:19:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
Wether he actually believes in it or not is irrelevant because he brought it to life.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he was the sperm our media was the egg.
mrbaryonyx ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if Trump is a good guy, the fact that he got in with the campaign he did is fucked
IamMrT ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:00:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you forgot to say doesn't.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a simple question; just trying to understand and start a conversation.
If I went to, say, Switzerland, illegally, snuck in when I could have entered legally... why would I get offended if they kicked me out? Why would the Swiss be offended that their government kicked me out? That wouldn't be xenophobia in my mind, that's just the law.
Why is it so different with Mexicans?
Isord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don''t think the simple act of wanting stricter immigration is racist, just that it is surrounded with racism. It is always about Mexicans, there have been tons of cases of legal Mexican immigrants being told to "go home" and other stuff like that.
There's also no clear economic benefit to reduced immigration so one has to wonder why people are so virulent about it.
MyRealNameIsFurry ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 20:36:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the bigger problem is that even if he realizes he ran a campaign that is against his personal views, whatever those may actually be, the bell can't be un-rung. He has encouraged hatred and intolerance to float to the surface of this country and he doesn't just get to say "my bad" and it all goes away. He is responsible for his followers actions precisely because he encouraged them, whether he agrees with them or not.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't remember what they had for breakfast.
VoyageofCollosus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The question is: What will he do about all of that now?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:24:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuuuuck Pence though. I'd be a lot more comfortable with this if Pence weren't VP. He could've picked basically any other Republic I know of and I'd be fine with it
springinslicht ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fixed
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree... I edited my response to clarify. It was poor wording.
modembutterfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't.
DaneMac ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with that part?
Isord ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:56:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's undeserved. It has no significant effect on wages or availability of jobs, and there's no indication of exceptional levels of violent criminality otherwise.
It's couched in racial rhetoric since most of the focus is on Mexicans and coming across the land border, despite visa overstays arguably being a bigger problem.
DaneMac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Obama has kicked out scores of illegal immigrants yet no one bats an eye?
Come into the country through proper channels. That's all
SovietWarfare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't condone breaking the law, being illegal is one of them.
Isord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just an appeal to authority. There is nothing inherently right or wrong about something being illegal.
springinslicht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol top mental gymnastics
Isord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So smoking weed is immoral in some states but not others? And drinking alcohol was immoral in the United States between 1920 and 1933?
speedisavirus ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:14:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is this word illegal there that sort of shows its deserved.
ChickenInASuit ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:28:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
His claims about illegal immigrants were incorrect. Undocumented immigration into the US has tripled since the 90s while overall crime stats have plummeted.
His rhetoric was fear-mongering.
weastwardho ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:21:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well do the people fleeing from countries like Honduras, Mexico, and Venezuela deserve the fucked up things the US did/helped to do that created the violence and instability, causing people to seek refuge?
wellitsbouttime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
^ this is the entire point that I think everyone can relate to. If your options are "stay in a dangerous place with your family" or "Run and fuck the legality part" anyone conservative or liberal is going to make the same choice.
cgprats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know Honduras definitely deserves it. In San Pedro, my cousin (he's a resident, so he's seen many screwed up things in the police, but nothing that endangered the public to this level) saw a person shooting with an AK-47 (AFAIK the gun is illegal there, too) at an abandoned building for no apparent reason. Then a cop passes by and the guy with the gun hands the cop some money bill and prevents arrest. I know police bribery happens everywhere, but I doubt it's to the point that it's so blatant.
Isord ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:16:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal =/= wrong.
It's illegal to smoke weed in many places still, doesn't mean it is wrong or that people that smoke weed should be looked down upon. And I'm guessing you don't think that drinking alcohol was wrong from 1920 to 1933.
bbctol ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but he's been associating with people who are more than happy to extend that to all immigrants. His chief strategist just doesn't want foreigners in, period.
Nunuyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You dropped a "doesn't" at the beginning there.
springinslicht ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And common sense prevailed, whether it fits your agenda or not
andnowforme0 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:48:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well at the very least, the problem isn't Giulliani anymore. Trump fired him yesterday.
KevlarGorilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a link?
andnowforme0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No sorry, I read it in The New York Times this morning. I might also be thinking of Chris Christi.
KevlarGorilla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a bummer. I'd rather have Christi in the cabinet than Juliani.
wyvernwy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he leaves NYC and moves to DC, that is the end of his influence.
SoulCrusher588 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would like Bannon gone if only for conflicts of interest as he is Brietbart. Also, there are conservatives/Republicans that hate him like Glenn Beck or Paul Ryan for how much Brietbart shat on him.
niceboy03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah nobody likes Glenn beck or Paul Ryan
SoulCrusher588 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends. They are liked depending on what they do but once they start to oppose Trump or his appointments, the base goes after them.
amaduli ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm reminded of Dune and the moment he foresees the jihad had taken on its own life and he couldn't stop it, only manage it the best he could.
phargle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The historical record of "it's not our leader, it's his advisors" is not pretty.
(Spoilers: It's our leader.)
CarmenTS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Edited my post...
jst3w ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is necessarily him because these are the people he surrounds himself with to do all of the real work of the presidency that he can't and/or does not care to.
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know what you mean... i edited my response and added. When I say "not necessarily him", I meant to say not his individual belief system... at least it wasn't BEFORE. Now? Yes.
Gingerdyke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:37:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has always flip-flopped, agreed. But when he picked Bannon, Guilliani and Pence, that argument falls to pieces.
pointlessbeats ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:19:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he was always fairly liberal and democratic, then what the hell kinda of personality disorder or mental illness is he suddenly suffering from that has caused such a bizarre change in direction? That's the concerning part. He seems very unpredictable and his newfound values don't seem to come from anywhere akin to reality.
FlashFire729 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Trump does scare me, but what scares me even more are the Republicans behind him and Trump's own supporters. I mean, when supporters call their leader the "God Emporer," that has to set off a bunch of red flags about that group
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine on FB suggested we start referring to his supporters as "red hats"... I'm all for it.
drewret ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a smart comment, I agree completely.
Areanndee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Giuliani?
CarmenTS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:26:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a giant poo sandwich.
Areanndee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's helpful. Why lump him in with those others?
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes. Have you heard any of the stuff he's spouted in the past couple years?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has the best words!
CarmenTS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you bigly.
Lol, I hate the guy, but I also still think he said, "big league" and not "bigly".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read that 4chan post that says that his appointments are his life insurance, like "Fine you can kill me, but you'll be stuck with these asswipes"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:29 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:22 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HA HA HAHAHA!!!!!!!
Have an AWESOME day, lol.
PS. I don't watch Girls.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:22:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't do anything though. That was the media. Look at unedited videos of his speeches, and other appearances. He went out of his way to learn about problems facing the country and to try and figure out how to fix them, while Hillary sat around spewing hate and vitriol.
IAMNUMBERBLACK ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the reddit normalizing crew. Take note ladies and gentlemen. Trump hasn't said anything dangerous, it's only his people don't worry y'all
CarmenTS ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I am NOT NORMALIZING HIM. His rhetoric has been disgusting, dangerous, and completely unacceptable. He is an EXCELLENT propagandist whether he knows it or not and that is extremely worrisome. I'm talking about Trump the individual, however, but for whatever reason, he chose to appeal to the lowest common denominator of people by using bigoted rhetoric and he won. It worked, even though I don't think that's how he really believes about (certain) things.
IAMNUMBERBLACK ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:48:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm glad you clarified bud, I've just seen so much revisionist history on what he's done I had to speak up.
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I absolutely do not blame you! He's the WORST!
lEatSand ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does the VP really do though? It isnt really the most influential position in the white house.
CarmenTS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:15:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised...
camdemonium ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has been honing his propaganda for decades. He used to have a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed.
I cried too.
CarmenTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really an artform. Do you know how many people I've met and know personally who have said the words, "Well, I watch FOXNews because they're fair and balanced." LOLWUT?? If it wasn't so dangerous, I'd be impressed.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fen1kz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the other choice you had is WW3 with russia, aka Clinton
shneven ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right there with you. There's some glimmers of hope, but then he does shit like Bandon and continues talks of registries for certain citizens.
ANUSTART942 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's appointed Steve Bannon, a white nationalist as chief strategist and a senior member of the Family Research Council (anti-LGBT hate group) as head of domestic affairs. He could suddenly start mimicking Bernie Sanders, it won't matter, the damage is done.
STOPYELLINGATMEOKAY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I voted for Obama.
brokenlantern ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:15:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certainly not trying to justify his campaign tactics but you can't deny that it was.. frankly, genius. He's a master of branding. I am of the opinion that he did whatever he could to get votes and hopefully doesn't intend to follow through with some of these "promises". He certainly wouldn't be the first president to do so. Instead of paying for votes through advertisement, he aggressively self-marketed via Twitter and created as much publicity (good or bad) that he could. His persona appealed to demographics that no one else tried to reach, and his outlandish remarks won him the election by creating fear of the alternatives and separating him from the other candidates.
It's still a dirty trick and he isn't fit to run the country but one can be hopeful that there were ulterior motives to his actions.
Innalibra ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:35:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It also speaks volumes about how little trust people have in the political process, and the apparent truth portrayed through the media. In their mind, both are manipulative and corrupt. Trump might spew horseshit and say whatever he needs to get elected, but it's so blatant that I think many people just didn't take it seriously and viewed it more as him mocking a broken system.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:07:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not from the US but this is the exact reason I thought he would win. People are sick of the current establishment and voted for change. Not just a change, but a leap the other way, a leap into the unknown. Hopefully politicians around the world take notice and realise they can't take the people they work for for granted. We've seen it with Brexit too, and with numerous elections occurring in Europe over the next few years, I think the western world have an interesting number of years ahead. I wish it hadn't come to this, but out of him and Hillary I was always rooting for Trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So at best he's just a crook exploiting peoples fear and hatred for power, rather than a pure authoritarian.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get such a justice boner when I read comments like this knowing he won.
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we'll be lucky, and when he gets sworn in on January 20, he'll tell his whole cabinet "you're fired", and it'll be a giant joke on the Republican party.
chewyflex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a marketing campaign that worked.
SinkHoleDeMayo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. While I'm sure he's a decent guy in person, his business ethics are pretty terrible and his way of getting people whipped up into a hateful frenzy is even worse. I could never endorse someone who does that, even if it's just an act to get votes from the rubes.
GetOffOfMyLawnKid ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 18:39:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the campaign he ran, it's the campaign the media made up to demonize him. Everything you think you saw and heard was wildly out of context and misconstrued (deliberately) by the media. I cemented my vote for Trump when I started watching his full speeches and stopped listening to the press altogether.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:35:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated him more when I started listening to his actual speeches. He's just as bad as the media says.
rhinguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? How were they worse?
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:05:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't really worse, they were the same as the media said. My perception of him was worse because I had always heard this narrative that the media is lying, so I kinda gave him a pass a little. Stopped doing that when I saw the speeches and realized the media is not lying
lady_MoundMaker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:08:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One example is his incoherent rant about cyber security. Perfect example of not knowing anything about the subject, but pretending to know it.
Bilbo_Bagpiper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, the problem with the cyber IS really, really tough, and probably not even doable.
So hands off, buster! Barron will keep you all safe.
TheOtherCumKing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:12:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about now when he is hiring white supremacists on to his cabinet?
OmniProg ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMViDn_XKOk
Another smear campaign by the MSM.
I assume you're talking about Steve Bannon
lady_MoundMaker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:40:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watched the entire video. And the basis of his defense was essentially "we are the platform for white supremacists, but doesn't mean we're white supremacists." Although that may be true, you have to be a special naรฏve person to believe it.
OmniProg ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:32:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He specifically says they are not the platform for white nationalism. They just report on it. Go find me one article from Breitbart that is pro white nationalism. Go do it. I'll wait.
lady_MoundMaker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Haha calm your tits, honey. I guess you didn't watch the whole video? The anchor corrected him and told him that Breitbart has stated before that they are a platform for the alt-right, and then YOUR guy finally admitted that they did claim to be the platform. Then your guy tried to change the narrative by saying "platform" doesn't mean that Breitbart is a white supremacist company, which is laughable. Typical rightist spin.
OmniProg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, you can play semantics all you like. Still waiting over here for a pro-white nationalist article link from Breitbart.
lady_MoundMaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:52 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol okay, common sense wouldn't work on alt rightists anyway
OmniProg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent example actually, this article you linked is a stellar example of a white nationalist publication by Breitbart!
lady_MoundMaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:25 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said they published anything, calm ya tits honey. They said they are the platform for white supremacists which is enough to want to disassociate from them. But I understand how ya alt-rightists like to justify crap like that
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Ey_mon ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's proven true with every trump supporter I observe. There's no convincing you monsters, you support hate and violence against everyone I care about whether or not you recognize it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Ey_mon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why are you defending his hate rallies? Pretentious? I was just shown that a significant population of the country thinks everyone I care about is worth hating for looks or sexuality. Why should I be anything less than hateful for much more valid reasons towards those who support it?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Ey_mon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What they think is that me and everyone I care about deserves hatred and violence. This isn't about changing their opinion, if they are going to be hateful and dangerous to those I care about, they will get the same thing in return. They will get worse if they continue. The more they threaten my family and friends with their words and their votes, the more of my hatred they will receive in turn. I want them afraid. I want them to feel the fear my friends and family feel now, scared of those they hate, afraid to leave their homes where we live for fear of their safety. I'll settle for antagonizing them wherever I find them, no matter how it makes me look, because it will piss them off.
KurtSTi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I voted for Trump and didn't hear any dangerous rhetoric. What I found dangerous this election cycle was the fact that voters are willing to spin the die on a candidate who has privately told her financial backers that she has a public and private position, therefore admitting that she lies about what she plans to do for the people she wants votes from.
John_Corleone ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:32:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the false rhetoric the media fed you?
GarrukTak ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such a thinker the guy who can repeat what he sees in the MSM.
scottcphotog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so yes?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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scottcphotog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
everyone says they didn't vote for him, but he won, someone has to be lying, I was just joking about that
andnowforme0 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well in this time of conflict, it's nice to see someone who can disagree with Trump without acting smug about it.
Asking_miracles ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:01:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it won. Good job America.
JumpyPorcupine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:14:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Patriotism?
BlacknOrangeZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:58 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah these still make me laugh out loud! What would I do for entertainment without hysterical lefties?
FuckSolidarity ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:11:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
>2016
>still buys the politician persona
AK_Happy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Current year, you say?
The-red-Dane ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly though, everyone had pretty nasty rhetorics this election.
Trumps was -worse- but That does not absolve Hillary or her campaign... or MSM for what they've been peddling.
lady_MoundMaker ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:41:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the fact remains, Trump is worse.
Smellmyhand ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:17:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to point out that just because he seems like a nice person doesn't mean you should feel any safer. George W. is an incredibly nice man.
SazeracAndBeer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:20:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's scary that I'd prefer a 3rd Dubya term over what we're about to get.
heids7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what I said the morning after the results.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep thinking that especially since it seems like people are absolving him of his sins in this thread, like "oh it's a persona" cmon.
I'm pretty sure people with Trumps views aren't gonna go around advertising them to individuals. Being polite is beneficial to everybody
Smellmyhand ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Like I'm not at all shocked to hear he's a decent person in public, of course he is. But the fact that he allowed his campaign to go the way it did says all I need to know about the man.
Consanguineously ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
fool me once, shame on-..shame on you. fool me-you can't get fooled again.
Matasaga ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought Hitler looked like a kind man. Only when he's smiling though.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol all it takes is a strangers 5 minute observance of Trump to make you forget all the hateful rhetoric he's spewing?
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 16:35:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you aren't speaking to me, but I am sure it will not easily be forgotten. But I think all of these anecdotes (the good and the bad) are important to consider to put together a more accurate picture of our very controversial president-elect. I'm giving Reddit the benefit of the doubt and assuming most of the responders in this thread are not Trump or Hillary shills. I think the 5-minute observations are important to consider, too.
Jp2585 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is you are trying to equate a bunch of unverified anecdotes to vile words he said on camera with the intention of having that footage broadcast. This thread should not be changing anyone's opinion of him unless there's proof behind it.
FuriousGorilla ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:59:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should just be letting people know that he is in fact a human and not some kind of super villain.
elykl33t ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:59:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shh people don't like it when you point that out
accordingtothelore ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:21:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was literally forgotten before people even went into the ballot box.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I doubt that. Some redditor in some political thread had said something along the lines that "voters who voted for him rather voted despite the nasty things he's said". Besides, it's still all I hear about or see scrolling through my social media feeds in regards to Trump, so it hasn't been forgotten.
JayLeeCH ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 16:29:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take the time to get to know someone and you could probably find differences between their private/public personality.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:34:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is what hilary believes lol. Have a public view and a private view
rbGriphon ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 16:46:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because there's a difference between what you want and what your constituents want.
I don't see a problem here. Tim Kaine is opposed to abortion, but supports the right to it. Private, public. People and politicians forget they (the politicians) are elected to serve the people, not their own personal interests.
dkinmn ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:31:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her position wasn't quite that. Or what the other guy said.
She said you need to argue differently for a policy in public versus in private. The arguments a politician gets in in private aren't for the public sphere, and the sweeping generalizations of the public sphere have no place in actual policy discussion and implementation.
Literally the least controversial thing anyone has ever said about politics.
crazedanimal ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or she's a documented and habitual liar who was talking about how much she lies and enjoys lying.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I get that. I'm no Trump supporter by any means, I left the top of the ticket blank, but would have gone for her had I been forced to. But...
She routinely through her actions never showed this. Take gun control.
"I support the 2nd amendment."
"I was on the side of DC in the Heller case but only because it was trying to protect children."(Even a cursory reading of the case shows it had absolutely nothing to do 'about the children' and Hilary Clinton isn't that stupid.)
(In a private meeting) "I think the Supreme court got the Heller case wrong."
That's like 3 wildly different positions on one issue, and is untransparent to what her actual personal or public positions are. I know what Tim Kaine personally thinks about abortion because he told me. And then told me he seeks to balance his personal beliefs with imposing them on others as a matter of governance. I have absoultely no clue what Clinton thinks on this issue as a balance in lawmaking.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always respected that kind of thing. Personally, I think abortion is immoral. I don't agree with women when that say that it is "their body". Yes it is but you have another person's body inside of it.
However, society doesn't always have the right to punish us for saying/doing bad things. A woman that chooses to abort her unborn child is not a harm to society and owes society no debts for this action, therefore it should not be illegal.
This goes for a lot of issues.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:07:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and everyone gave her shit for that, but when Trump does it it's "smart campaigning"
dkinmn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is painfully obtuse.
JayLeeCH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that? I wouldn't consider keeping an open mind obtuse.
Seriously talk to people, don't just write them off as insane or plain wrong. And maybe you might be able to see the logic in their statements. Most you might not agree with, but it might put a lot of things into perspective. Empathy goes a long way.
dkinmn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just asking us to ignore all of the things he's already said and done.
That's obtuse.
You're hiding behind nice sounding words and principles to excuse garbage. It's silly. Stop it.
JayLeeCH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quite the opposite actually, but I can see what you're trying to get at.
SupaKoopa714 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:04:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't completely change my opinion on him, personally, but it does give me some hope that his presidency won't be as bad as me and everyone else thinks it'll be.
Pris257 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He seemed to have really calmed down in the 60 minutes interview this week. I am really hoping that a lot of what he did on the campaign trail was for attention. Just have to wait and see but I am keeping an open mind for now.
superattune11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:36:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been ignoring his twitter? He's been going on misspelled rants.
Dent18 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:25:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figure a decent amount of that is him having to appeal to the dickhead GOP base and/or him saying controversial stuff for free media coverage
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:30:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Emperorpenguin5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you fucking seen his Cabinet picks? Do none of you actually read any news? AT ALL?
lucipherius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media paid for his campaign when you see how little he spent on advertising and how much Hillary spent to fail.
kick6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't appeal to the GOP base.
candypuppet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does his motivation matter when it results in people being discriminated against? If he's really that kinda person that throws away all his moral principles to further his career and get attention, he's still an asshole.
sassyseconds ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:35:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever voted for pretty much any successful politician? If so then you voted for someone who has likely done the same in a different sense.
candypuppet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's quite a difference between making political compromises and the shit Trump pulls. You gotta be blind not to see that Trump's bigoted rhetoric is different to anything "normal" politician do.
MacDerfus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:50:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't support him but I do step away from the campaign coverage because he was being defined too much by the worst members of his support and his opposition.
dazmo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:28:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing. It's rhetoric. He has said some dubious things arguably (and only if you take fear mongering and slander from the left at face value does it even become arguable) . But Clinton has done far more dubious things including but not limited to literally being in bed with the grand dragon of the kkk. There was no choice, so you're welcome.
candypuppet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Robert Byrd don't you? A man who served 51 years in the United States Senate and was the longest-serving member of Congress and was deeply respected by the Senate and the Democratic party. His involvement with the Clan happened in the 1940s, over 70 years ago, but the way you voice it sounds like Hillary's buddies with the current leader. Byrd repeatedly said that his involvement in the KKK was a great mistake and later on he came to back civil rights measures and Obama.
But according to you Hillary's connection to a man, who was briefly affiliated with the organisation and who's changed his stance long before he and Hillary even met, is equal to Trump refusing to condemn the KKK's support now. You deliberately misrepresent this situation to paint Clinton as some grand KKK endorser. Trump supporters love to wave Robert Byrd as some grand victory flag over Clinton but in reality her connection to him means nothing. This is just pure misinformation and propaganda.
Also, the only reason there are no instances of Trump making grave political mistakes is cause he has no political experience at all. According to this logic, Snoop Dogg also makes a better president then Clinton. Trump can't hide behind his lack of experience forever.
dazmo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:56:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh he apologized everyone! I wonder what changed his mind from 'white power' to 'minorities are ok by me!' He's still an active member of the naawp if that tells you anything. And in order for trump to disavow his kkk supporters he would first have to acknowledge it which is what he actually refused to do. Keep waving that great non victory flag though. It's a neverending source for humor. And trumps great victory flag over Clinton isn't the fact that she's got the kkk in her front pocket, it's the actual victory on Nov 8th. Didn't you hear?
edit: oops i meant 'naacp' not 'naawp' how could i make THAT mistake - They're so different! p.s. the DNC's double standards are part of the reason you lost. Seriously if this is the best your party can do, it should just quit.
exrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't justify promoting racism and hate. Those are lines of integrity that should not be crossed.
IncognitoForAReason ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:40:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liberal politicians often promote racism and hate. They have to keep the people divided in order to convince minority groups they care about their well-being.
exrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Examples?
IncognitoForAReason ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a speech HRC gave just last night she speaks of a little latino girl that is terrified her parents will be deported. Anecdotal evidence of course.
Full speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQgE_jzIlBY
garhent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:06 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pissed as a trans female pre-op that there is a chance I can't use the ladies showers at the gym. Why should my penis preclude me from using the showers, I'm really miffed.
FatalStrik3x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and perhaps how he presented himself at the signing was to make him look good, not his actual personality?
dsmdylan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the presumption?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:38:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry bud I didn't support Clinton and am not American, nice way to try to shift focus from Trump though. This isn't going to work for much longer, Clinton can't be your scapegoat forever ;).
lady_MoundMaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She didn't "have people killed."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lady_MoundMaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:18 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She still didn't "have them killed"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:46 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lady_MoundMaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:23 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and she took responsibility for the lack of security. She didn't "have" anyone killed. Don't be so dramatic.
Jive_Bob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Admit it, then get jumped and have the shit kicked out of them by "peaceful" Clinton supporters. No thanks.
bookwench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Early in his real estate career, he routinely refused housing to black people who presented the same rental agreements as whites. A pleasant, well-mannered racist is still a racist.
k_nasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, most serial sexual abusers don't mention it in typical conversation
Bryce29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're more safe now, tbh.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird how easily swayed people are by anecdotal stories on the internet.
"Yeah, this man campaigned on a platform that runs against everything I believe in, and a mounting body of evidence suggests he's a tax dodging sexual assaulter, but some rando on reddit said he was nice once so hey, he seems cool."
TThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would still look at the administration he is putting forward, it is not very reassuring :\
habitsofwaste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard Hitler was like that too.
stankovic32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
omg you felt soooo in danger before... i hope you're ok :(
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason you feel unsafe is because of extreme media bias.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy biased media showing us Trump's videos and his exact words in context!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which one of those exact words in context(lol) make you feel unsafe?
Lesp00n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you listen to the words that came out of his mouth? Like at all? Because those are why I feel unsafe. That and Mike Pence. FUCK Pence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which words specifically make you feel unsafe?
Lesp00n ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:06:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have time to make a full list. But the words 'running mate Mike Pence' are pretty high up there. As are calling immigrants rapists and criminals, Muslims terrorists, and saying shit like 'grab them by the pussy' and implying that the women coming forward saying that Trump has sexually assaulted them are too ugly to be sexually assaulted.
I feel unsafe as a member of the LGBTQ+ community, as a sexual assault survivor, and as a woman. Trump respects none of these groups of people. It's clear from his very own words that have repeatedly left his very own mouth.
RedditIsDumb4You ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh I always thought trump was pro gay marriage for decades and Hilarly only changed her mind after it went through.
Lesp00n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who brings in Mike Pence is not pro LGBTQ+. Also theres a huge difference in 'pro gay marriage' and 'pro LGBTQ+.' We need the latter, because it doesn't stop at marriage.
RedditIsDumb4You ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump let's trans use whatever bathroom he wants in his building. Pence is a dick but that doesn't mean trump hates gays. I feel you are actively trying to further divide people who are Republican and people who are gay instead of try and bring them together.
Lesp00n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Doesn't hate" is not equal to "pro." And the Republican party is already doing an excellent job of that on their own, they don't need any help from the other side.
GaryBuseyWithRabies ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When he started to mellow a little, I felt the same way. Now you have a bunch of riled up morons with guns who are going to feel like they were lied to. How is that safe feeling now?
ObliviousIrrelevance ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:46:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did. Read his plan of the first 100 days on NPR. Pretty legit stuff.
Gimmesomechonchon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, dude.
skullminerssneakers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:26:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*the media portrayed
PromptCritical725 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a salesman who specializes in selling himself. He will adopt whatever persona he thinks will sell him to the customer. In this case, voters. This is true of every politician. He's just really good at it.
Donald Trump represents the fundamental problem with democracy: What it takes to convince the people to elect you isn't necessarily the same skillset as actually doing the job.
Dirty_Sunshine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousins used to work at one of his golf courses, in jersey I think! Said he would sometimes hand out $100 tips.
Klashus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did alot of that during the election for media attention. Saved him alot of money in doing ads. Make an assholeish comment and media frenzy.
crawlerz2468 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it has to be a persona he plays, right?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a picture floating around of him eating on his jet and he has this sort of boyish grin on his face, I don't know why but it is, kind of cute in a way to be honest with you. Here's this quiet, billionaire just eating his burger on his private jet.
rasputin777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't portray a persona. One was provided to him.
rblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is comforting. I can focus on being worried about the human shit he surrounds himself with. As a Hoosier, Mike Pence is my biggest concern. Nobody likes him here.
ClassicCarPhenatic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:47:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet he was first elected in 2000, and has been elected to some office ever since? Every Indianan I've talked to likes him.
rblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He pissed off Republicans and Democrats alike. He ran on the platform of creating jobs and helping business, but instead he chose the path of supporting divisive social changes which hurt our economy. He is an embarrassment to the state, which we will now share with the world. He is deeply unpopular here.
superattune11 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? He's hated in Indiana.
pranjalgole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't portray that image, media did.
PepperSprayEnema ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By reporting the things he said and did?
ANGR1ST ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:06:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of context, yes.
Some of the things he said were over the top as a way to gain free air-time. But most of it was much more reasonable than was portrayed.
p5yk0t1km1r4ge ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isnt really all that surprising. So much mudslinging this time around.
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ShadowMadness ยท 276 points ยท Posted at 04:46:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I still have my reservations about Trump, but I'd be lying if I said that this thread hasn't at least made me question whether he's truly as crazy as he seems. This thread has given me some hope that he might actually be a decent President.
_CallMeCisMale_ ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:57:59 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media did not want Trump because Hillary supports the interests of mega-corporations who own said media outlets.
They painted him in a very bad light. Everyone, especially those who are well-known and powerful, has controversies, and liberal media outlets magnified them.
I'm just glad he is our President-elect. Things are already getting better, even though the rioters, who are self-fulfilling their own prophecy, wouldn't want you to think so.
kelsygram ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:14:44 on November 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Do you have any sources or links to information about good things? Been trying to find some positive news but it's been really difficult lately.
monkeiboi ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 00:08:54 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our stock market is been on a record high streak for the past week. Business small and large are bolstered by his business friendly and tax lenient stance.
Russia has formally announced they want to formally meet to deescalate growing tensions between them and the U.S.
Canada and Mexico want to renogotiate NAFTA, knowing that he's likely to axe the deals altogether.
The Japanese PM has met with him and praised him highly, as did China.
The man hasn't even taken office yet.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:04:28 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dont forget that apple is moving their factories which employ almost 1 million people to the US
MeowntainMan ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:54:43 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really all Trump supporters ask: Just give him a chance. He's a great guy and he has great plans for this nation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:35 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Give him a chance eh?
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 11:39:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In hierarchical societies high ranking members are typically aggressive towards rivals but polite and friendly towards extreme subordinates. In ape societies leaders attack and intimate near subordinates but smack their lips and make submission displays towards the lowest ranking members of the group. This ensures popular support for them from the majority of the group but keeps rivals intimidated and unlikely to challenge them, helping them to cement their position with both tactics. Conclusion: trump is an ape. Or just a skilled and charismatic business and now political leader.
Good-Writer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't some stories come out that he was related to an orangutan?
ScrawnyTesticles69 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:37:50 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All humans are related to orangutans though
triclops41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:53 on December 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Conclusion: You are also an ape, and so is everyone else on this thread.
hpdefaults ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:32:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind that the vast majority of what you're reading here are stories of brief interactions with strangers, not exactly the kind of thing that necessarily speaks to a person's deeper character. A key quality of narcissists/sociopaths is that they're incredibly charming. Charles Manson was known for charming the pants off of people he'd just met, too, it's hardly a reason to dismiss everything else we know about either of them.
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h0norb0und ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:57:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B-b-buh trunp is an sociopath????!1!
hpdefaults ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:19:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I'm bringing up Manson specifically because he's a textbook sociopath, and sociopaths are often quite charming (especially if they've, say, studied things like Dale Carnegie's "How To Win Friends And Influence People" like Manson did during his early prison stints):
"Later in life and in his trial, in his testimony, you hear people say over and over, 'Oh, it was like he could read my mind. He came and talked to me, and it was like he was immediately the friend I'd wanted and had never had.'"
http://www.npr.org/2013/08/04/206652873/charles-manson-master-manipulator-even-as-a-child
ObnoxiousOldBastard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:29:35 on December 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler was a vegetarian who was kind to animals.
breadeggsmilkbees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:38 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've gathered, he's a pretty friendly, gregarious person to interact with. He's also a pathological, proven liar who's plunged the country into demonstrably worse shape than it was before he got it into his head to run for president.
One doesn't negate the other.
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adoxographyadlibitum ยท 10122 points ยท Posted at 15:51:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I never talked to him, but I was at a party he attended about 18 months ago. He wasn't rude at all, just odd. He told a story about how Bill Gates once told a room of people that he (Donald) was really smart and had good ideas. It felt weirdly self-conscious on his part.
I also met his helicopter pilots, who said that he was a nice guy, always making sure they were taken care of, had eaten, etc. The pilots said the megadouche was his son, Eric.
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TrolllRanger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more than that, they're getting deported.
trinityroselee ยท 6029 points ยท Posted at 18:03:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pilots said the megadouche was his son, Eric.
Somehow this is not surprising at all.
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Not gonna lie, despite Donald's pride complex, the "total dickity douche-bag" vibe to me comes more from Eric.
DolphinSweater ยท 1729 points ยท Posted at 20:04:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he the one that looks like a weasel?
ablebuddy1 ยท 2835 points ยท Posted at 20:34:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes http://i.imgur.com/u95eTJV.jpg
CheesePlug ยท 1438 points ยท Posted at 21:06:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dear god that face
ManOfDrinks ยท 1615 points ยท Posted at 00:03:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got a raging clue.
elyze ยท 269 points ยท Posted at 04:32:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/g22aUkM
Donald trumps kid and mitt Romney's kid.
thesusquatch ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 08:42:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They both have the cringiest smiles. The gum-to-teeth ratio is terrible.
kw405 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:11:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god LOL
nutsnerem ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 01:06:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. That gets an upvote.
ManOfDrinks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:16:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently it gets a lot of them.
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Ugh, I KNOW I recognize this reference but can't quite place it. What is it?
EllisHughTiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
South Park and the Hardy Boys.
BaltimoreSkater ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:39:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly Boys*
CheesePlug ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:51:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect response
plop0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAHAHAHA. oh shit.
Jawbreaker93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:59:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This man needs some gold, one of you rich bastards do it
evlgns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:52:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't figure out who he looked like til I read your comment.
gosu4you ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:44:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God this should be top comment hahaha
raph772 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:41:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
his face kinda reminds me of Mr. Potato Head with just the ugliest features tacked onto it.
CheesePlug ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:43:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dreaded weak chin/big gums/fish lips combo
wlydayart ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:51:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like he smiling but frowning at the same time
making_mischief ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:35:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A face only a mother could love?
explohd ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:59:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely backpfeifengesicht
bamdaraddness ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:52:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's lucky he's rich lol
Taylor814 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:50:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he's since lost a bunch of weight.
CheesePlug ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 23:54:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But its not the weight, its the eyes and his smile and his...everything I guess. Trump is not an extremely handsome man or anything but nothing compared to this
Taylor814 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:03:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This picture is especially bad haha. The angle, the double chin, the teeth.
Eric has since grown into his face.
CheesePlug ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:47:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok Ivana... I kid it is an especially unflattering pic
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He'll have to line up behind Martin Skhreli first.
MiaYYZ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:06:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ted Cruz is at the front of that line.
Unicornpalace ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:06:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can practically hear the shrill trilling of DO YOU NOT KNOW WHO I AM?!?
deadmeat08 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:13:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't you know who my father is?!"
PM_ME_plsImlonely ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:07:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like [10] guy but ugly.
the5nowman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:35:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He'd grow a good neckbeard
staypuftmichelinman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:42:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i'm gonna need to punch it within my lifetime.
Ulftar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So punchable
frankenbeasts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like Donald Trump had a love child with Jonah Hill.
DrTomPigy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/punchablefaces
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/r/punchablefaces
ekwjgfkugajhvcdyegwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Solid head of hair, though.
notquiteotaku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so punchable.
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kerc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this subreddit all about Ted Cruz?
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Bloodyfinger ยท 168 points ยท Posted at 21:13:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, Ivanka lucked the fuck out in the looks department.
attentionhoard ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 21:41:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's had work done. She wasn't always that pretty.
Stumblin_McBumblin ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:48:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He should get some work done.
dahjay ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 23:01:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He should get all work done.
TrapHitler ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:39:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The best work im telling ya folks"
jillyszabo ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:45:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say even before any work she's maybe had she still looked decent to have come from that family
iushciuweiush ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:02:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Young Donald and Ivana weren't exactly ugly. Not sure why it's that surprising.
jillyszabo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See I don't think young Ivana was attractive at all. Donald, eh, I guess he wasn't ugly. Their sons creep me out though, so I do find it surprising that one of their children came out attractive.
HonoredPeoples ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:56:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but it's not like she was ever not pretty either.
attentionhoard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote "that pretty"
HonoredPeoples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fair enough
attentionhoard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:51 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, look at me. You're alright.
cardinal29 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:25:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A quick google search will show you that's not true.
She's been extensively photographed since she was a child.
attentionhoard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A very quick Google search proves I'm right. Did you bother to do try it before suggesting it?
http://topcelebritysurgery.com/ivanka-trump-plastic-surgery-boob-job-nose-job/
bsbbtnh ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 10:38:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The nose job pic is very obviously photoshopped. Go look at her nose from the 60 minutes interview and it doesn't look like that at all. Also, her boobs exploded in size when she got pregnant.
Znees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:07 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the 60 minutes nose doesn't look anything like her old nose.
BlackFireXSamin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:27:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would love a visual aid
HonoredPeoples ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:57:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don Jr. turned out okay too. He's not Ronaldo or anything, but it isn't as if he struck out in the genetic lottery.
fight_me_for_it ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:09:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They all have small chins. Small chins on female make a better photogenic face?
MasterInceptor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:58:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah Trump just fucked the luck out when she was conceived
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sagaris_ ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 21:23:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jesus, he looks like a cross between King Joffrey and the fat Dursley kid
Ebmoclas ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:58:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are flattering him with that statement.
WhatTheFhtagn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was thinking more like a cross between Tim Heidecker and Jonah Hill.
ThisLookInfectedToYa ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:56:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha very funny, posting a picture of beavis instead of Eric trump.
BassBeerNBabes ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:44:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Genetics were not kind here.
Sir_Wanksalot- ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:10:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got the smarmy rich kid smile
z500 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 20:55:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I looked like him and was rich I'd probably be a douche too.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:59:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, you'd be a douche no matter what.
z500 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
me too thanks
garr1s0n ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:36:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that should be the sidebar photo for /r/AwfullyPunchableFaces/
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:58:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna be this guy's friend and give him the nickname "Purge Night". I really just want a crazy homicidal rich friend like Dandy from American Horror Story. I'd help him with his crazy shenanigans and provide comic relief, but end up being the one that's more insane.
Gloom_Lurker ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:50:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus,what's up with his face?
nicklesismoneyto ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:23:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He reminds me of the squirrel from ice age.
Hey_im_miles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:15:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
looks like stevie janowski from eastbound and down
soaringtyler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/punchablefaces
oodlesofnoodles4u ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:35:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dayum. That is one ugly motherfucker.
tinnyminny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:05:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Modern Eric: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqfTX4h3a_M
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:49:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a slimy looking fuck
HaalloJa ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:04:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like a pretty normal rich guy to me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol he looks like he's got a skinny jonah hill in him
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he looks like the type of dude you sell a dimebag for $40 to
umagrandepilinha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ... now I know what to look at if I wanna lose my sleep :/
Thrownawayactually ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jasus...that face.
HeronSun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit he looks like Jimmy from GTAV.
Kolipe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a late era Hasburg
Benallica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like a Scumbag Richie Rich
NewDrekSilver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can he have one kid that looks like that, and at the same time be the father of Ivanka Trump? Nature works in weird ways.
Styx_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like Jonah Hill from War Dogs. (a truly slimy bastard in the film)
Devanismyname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That dude definitely got picked on by the other rich kids.
timjamcirca94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eww. The tooth to gum ratio is... wrong.
AnorexicBuddha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh jesus
bluesox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought it was possible to look like Beavis and Butthead. Until now.
PM_ME_ALL_YOU_WANT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy could do EXTREMELY well in /r/roastme
HGF88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh
dsquard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He can cover that face with his wallet and still get laid more than eggs.
Redsonja119 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything about that picture is unfortunate
Hippydippy420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if his gums dry out easily
ALoudMouthBaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one who fills the free water cup up with soda at fast food joints! Classy guy, that Eric!
Herr_Opa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually looks like someone stretched out a Jonah Hill picture vertically.
dodge-and-burn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you inherit fake hair? This is a genuine concern.
plokijuh1229 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got a raging clue.
SmackyRichardson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can no one in this family get a normal fucking haircut?
ChildishCoutinho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks a bit like Hollywood funny man Jonah Hill
Daedalus871 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I broke my phone punching him in the face.
starcomm4nd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see the love child of Jonah Hill and Gary Busey
VanillaPudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a punchable face.
saltinstien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, raging clue much?
Stevie_Rave_On ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone needs to photoshop that face onto that picture Kevin looks at of his brother's girlfriend in "Home Alone"
ReV-Whack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, he looks like offspring of Jonah Hill hate fucking the poster child for /r/punchablefaces
ZestyMordant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1:1 gum to tooth ratio...
-Captain- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep that looks like a rich asshole.
etevian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its like a thin jonah hill
KyotomNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the most r/punchablefaces I've seen ever
cattaclysmic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kinda weasel is that...
SinkHoleDeMayo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure he takes the cake for the world's most punchable face.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/punchablefaces
iAmTheRealLange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is one ugly man. I'm not a prize by any means, but good lord.
Mad_Hatter_Bot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like he's the love child of trump and Gary Busey
GSKashmir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's Timmy Williams from The Whitest Kids U Know
TimIsColdInMaine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Trump fathered a child with Gary Busey
UdderTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My god, he looks exactly like I would expect him to.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jonah Trump
TheSpanxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the portrait of every rich asshole kid in a movie, ever.
Guardian_Soul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Granted, that picture is several years old, but he's probably still a twat
maanu123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't seem that plump on CNN that one night?
Workaphobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, how can you have that much money and not pay for a better image.
Watawkichaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jake Busey has a part waiting in the movie made about this election cycle...
Mikulak25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since they remove mean shit it looks like in serious threads and just bc Eric looks fat like his dad in this pic, this whole thread is bumming me out
_Molobe_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a mix between Trump and Jim Breuer
PoseidonHyden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This looks like a CG photo using the worst features of Jonah Hill and TJ Miller.
ThatGuyRememberMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy moly
47B-1ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's crazy how Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Eric have the same mom and yet Eric was completely robbed of the family's looks. It's like he took all his attractive stat points and poured them all into height.
I_AlsoDislikeThat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Terrible hair runs in the family it seems.
TractorPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ew. No wonder Ivanka is the favorite.
Puppybeater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No joke he legitimately looks like that weasel from ice age. Edit sloth Sid from ice age.
EmEffBee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn.
RowdyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know Ivanka would look like Eric in a wig without a ton of plastic surgery.
coyotebored83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/punchablefaces
TheSoupmonster_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/cloudywithachanceofmeatballs/images/4/4f/Brent.jpg
The resemblance is unreal.
AwesomeAutumns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that guy looks like a cunt
I_Love_McRibs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/punchablefaces
orthag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ that's offensive to weasels.
InsertNameHere498 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He kinda looks like a degenerate Josh Homme.
IAmWhatTheRockCooked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is easily the most punchable face i have seen in a looooong time
frumpy_toaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:10:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does that thumb have hair?
YellowMinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His daughters look like their mother(s?), and his sons took after him. Unfortunate for them.
jen_wexxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god...that teeth to gum ratio...
Phoneking13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/PunchableFaces
Tunderbar1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like the spoiled rich kid, Spaulding, in the first Caddyshack movie.
OnTheEveOfWar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/punchablefaces
Rebelgecko ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:03:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the one that goes to In-N-Out, gets a water cup, and fills it with soda. On mobile, otherwise I'd post the picture
prancingElephant ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:57:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wait, did he actually do that?
EDIT: Oh man, apparently he did. Although I can think of a couple of other explanations for that pic - maybe someone else ordered a lemonade and asked for another cup so they could split it.
Rebelgecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never had lemonade at In-N-Out, but IIRC they keep it with the fountain drinks. So pouring your friend a lemonade then refilling it is no better than pouring it directly into the water cup
Britnorm114 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:18:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ha. he does look like a weasel. I thought he kinda looked like a vampire. My friend and I joke how he probably stays in his room that he keeps a bug collection. He just looks like he enjoys weird things like building a bug army.
Ebmoclas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These days he looks like he keeps body parts in his room and walks around town in a suit all day pretending that he's a stock broker.
Profesor_Caos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I see him, I cannot picture him as anything other than a vampire, and I don't know how that isn't everyone's first impression.
ChickenDelight ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:34:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're going to have to be more specific
Palin_Sees_Russia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:46:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing. Such a simple comment made me laugh my ass off.
trippynumbers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:44:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like Jake Busey's evil twin.
DolphinSweater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best I've heard so far.
Gregoryv022 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:58:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks just like the psycho Tyrrell Welling from Mr. Robot
germanbeer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:18:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like Odo from Star Trek Deep Space Nine
http://i.imgur.com/7BmAcSB.jpg
modembutterfly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there are many valid reasons to hate him. Can we leave off making fun of people because of the way they look? It's rampant on Reddit, even though we are all smart enough to make more intelligent comments. Well, most of us, anyway.
DolphinSweater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no reason to hate him, I've never even heard him talk. Believe it or not, people judge others by how they look, and he literally looks like a weasel. Might be a nice guy. Looks like a weasel.
greymalken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or one of the Hardly Boys.
DolphinSweater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:35:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got a raging clue right now!
fiction_for_tits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like fucking Bryce from American Psycho.
Megmca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to the other one who looks like a stoat?
mandal0re ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a weasel, I'm insulted by that. He looks more like a ferret.
McBadger1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally reminds me of Spaulding from Caddyshack.
Garconanokin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:44:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weasel laugh? https://youtu.be/EM4OuOKB2JI
Oxideist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He looks like timmy from wkuk
zoinks690 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:29:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is offensive, good sirrah. Please apologize to weasels.
olcrazypete ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:58:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine Eric having the same inner dialog as the Patrick Bateman character in American Psycho.
macswaggerrrr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:45:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's his face, he's a total fuck-face.
Celesticle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:23:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During the CBS interview with the family, that's exactly what I thought. He has such a narcissistic douchebag vibe.
noahruns ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:26:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a photo of him drinking lemonade from a free water cup at Chipotle
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That bastard!
JohnDalysBAC ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:32:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's gotta be that hair for starters. It is impossible to not look like a douchebag with that slicked back hair. It is the go to hairstyle in every movie for the stereotypical rich douche.
Edit: typo
hochizo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:58:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since Gordon Bombay slicked his hair back like the Iceland coach, I've known: that hairstyle makes you an asshole.
JohnDalysBAC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:03:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disney definitely knows their stereotypes! Mighty Ducks 2 has a lot of fantastic examples like the Trinidad and Tobago team too.
Flaccid_Leper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck do I know that you're taking about the Mighty Ducks?!?
I've never seen the movie.l and Emilio has not darkened my thoughts for a very long time.
prancingElephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:05:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don Jr. has that haircut too. It's like they're trying to look like the stereotype.
sincerelyfreakish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:19:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been my experience that a large number of people named Eric are douches, mega or otherwise, so I'm not really surprised.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:03:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense, Trump was born into a lot of money, but still made it into an empire, while his kids don't have to do much and are surrounded by a lot more money then when Donald grew up
PlayMp1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:00:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, as much of a narcissist as Donald Trump is, he's also clearly insecure and just wants validation and to be appreciated. Eric Trump, however, is just a dick.
Nick_Newk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:42:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That fucking Eric.
Sawses ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:02:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt kinda bad for his youngest son, though. Standing up there on the stage behind his dad. You could tell he hadn't quite processed the fact that he was going to be living in the White House.
KrazyTrumpeter05 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:18:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I felt it was more like "fuck my life it's way too late and I just want to be in bed" mindset of a normal kid haha
acanoforangeslice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother-in-law and I kept telling Trump to wrap it up, his kid was about to pass out on stage. You could see him blink himself awake a few times.
murphykp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:38:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the one we're calling Uday or Qusay?
adelltfm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:53:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both his older sons look like they wet the bed until about 13.
DaWalrus69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's always the son trying to overcompensate.
HaalloJa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow how rude all the comments below this one are..!
bozon92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His hair is the dead giveaway.
ra66itz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His sons always remind me of American psycho
Toasterbuddha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only 3 more years before he can run for president. Ugh.
Armadillo19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric?! You're giving the company to Eric?!
greenighs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love how people on Twitter are calling him Fredo now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric Trump looks like a vampire that has been sucking on a sour warhead for a week.
He gives me the creeps.
jojoga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think about how much more douchey he will now be with 'his father being the president'โฆ.
UnculturedSwine21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dollar store Draco
Rebelpride1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He always seemed to be really entitled and prissy, then my friend went to a really he spoke at and someone handed him a Trump 2016 shirt to cover his north Korea t shirt so Eric wouldn't be insulted
mastawyrm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah shit, did the Kaiser steal 20 again?
iamthegraham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was he the one who stole lemonade from in n out?
Inspector7171 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he the Beavis looking one, or the one that is the spitting image of Butthead?
thratty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, but I definitely get it more from Jr.
TurnerJ5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy some light reading.
swedishlightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"total twenty douche-bag"
I don't understand
Sir_Auron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald was born in Queens; Eric was born in Manhattan. Donald spent 70 years trying to break into the inner circle of the NYC elite; his children were born there.
PM_ME_YOUR_LUKEWARM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:33 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that the one that was on Opie?
He came off fine..
R1ckJamesBitch ยท 534 points ยท Posted at 19:16:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's always the rich, bratty kid.
snufflypanda ยท 357 points ยท Posted at 19:29:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He's the rich bratty kid's kid.
CommitteeOfOne ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:12:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on my very limited experience, it's always the generation after the generation that saw their family become rich that's the douche-y ones.
InfiniteBlink ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:58:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's some "rule" that it takes about 3 or 4 generations to lose the initial wealth the original parents who made it had.
Surprisingly, it's not necessarily that one particular set if kids blew it, it's that it gets diluted with more kids/grandkids. Eventually it just becomes smaller and easier to blow through
icyrepose ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:15:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One generation to earn the wealth, one to enjoy it, and one to waste it.
Supposedly it's a Chinese proverb, but people always attribute things to China if they want to sound wise, so who knows.
Lokmann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Them Chinese people be hella smart dude.
bluesox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...in bed.
hewhoreddits6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about Chinese proverbs in general, but history wise this very well could have been a quote. China has a long history, much of which had a booming economy and a healthy market. There are tons of stories of families getting super rich, and then losing it all relatively quickly. The most famous example is the of China's classic novels, "Dream of the Red Chamber", about one particular family's rise and fall in the Qing dynasty.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why families used to will everything they owned to the firstborn son and only give the others enough to live comfortably. It keeps the money together that way and gives the best chance at a dynasty.
I think old money families still do this.
InfiniteBlink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya. Awhile back on some random thread, someone posted that a few families from the antiquity days in Italy were still able to pass down their wealth all the way to modern times. I think the Medici family was one of them. Dont quote me on that.
hewhoreddits6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was curious, so I just skimmed a Wikipedia article on the Medici's. Apparently they had influence over Europe for hundreds of years, up until the 18th century, when the main branch collapsed. However, they had many cadet branches, some of which are still alive today.
InfiniteBlink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
crazy huh? Some people won the life lottery and I'm still playing keno hopin to make my money back.
JManRomania ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:29:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump was a millionaire's kid.
this is a billionaire's kid
Caleb_Krawdad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:03:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As if trump didn't massively grow wealth
ablebuddy1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:34:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the trust fund baby of a trust fund baby.
elislider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
some peoples' kids, man....
DatBuridansAss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unnecessary, comma.
snufflypanda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fixed, it.
chasinteal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:03:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you all see that pic of him filling up the water cup with lemonade at the fast food place. It's Hilarious
harrison_wintergreen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:18:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After my parents died and some of my sibs were unhappy with the will, I found some research showing that as the value of someone's estate increases, they are more likely to disinherit one or more of their kids. for example: http://www.larmorescarlett.com/blog/2014/06/rich-families-disinherit-children-give-to-charity-new-business.shtml
People who build huge fortunes understand that wealth is earned by hard work, and that it needs to be managed responsibly. yes, you can enjoy life with some of the money. but wealthy people tend to live below their means, and devote a good chunk of their income to charities they support.
the problem comes in when some of the kids raised in this wealth don't appreciate the hard work and responsibility of it. they feel entitled, think they don't need to have a job, and are more likely to squander the wealth their parents built.
edit: FWIW, my parents were not super-wealthy, under a million dollar estate. but they didn't approve of the addiction and bad money habits of some of my brothers and sisters.
Ebmoclas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Were they cut out of the will, or what?
hyon420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
like that kid from Caddyshack, Spaulding Smails
Lacey_Von_Stringer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like his other son: Waldo
K0stroun ยท 321 points ยท Posted at 19:38:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way he looks and behaves... there is something serial killer-Bond villain-sociopath about him.
MoreRITZ ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 20:44:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
American Psycho....without being cool
HanSoloBolo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that how he was in the book? I heard the movie made him a lot "cooler" than the book but I never read it.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was all a mind-fuck of his point of view, so maybe Bateman looked exactly like Eric Trump, but thought of himself as suave and cool.
Legionaairre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Patrick Bateman was supposed to be cool?
TrapHitler ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:42:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bale oozed coolness before he started killing in AP.
MoreRITZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you not watch the movie or read the book?
still_devout ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:15:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Facial profiling
AGlassOfOrangeJew ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:00:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude looks like a wax figurine. If it came out that Eric had some sort of sadomasochist torture chamber in his house, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
jedieaston ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:40:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fifty shades of Trump.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:52:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Eric definitely looks like he might be found chopping up a call girl one night
redberyl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He always looks like he had to return some videotapes.
elislider ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he loves Huey Lewis and the News
AK_Happy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:23:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit seems to consider every wealthy person a sociopath.
DeathByBamboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates?
Any wealthy actor?
Warren Buffett?
tumblewiid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how...? I haven't paid much attention to that guy at all. What did he do?
farciculus_retroflex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first thing I thought when I saw that picture was "Dudley Dursley is real."
kcg5 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:46:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch his deposition on YouTube. It's incredible. When asks who signs his checks he answers "direct deposit", like it's a company....
ForsakenForSale ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:17:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I think Ivanka got all the looks and grace in that whole group. Nothing left over for the rest, I guess.
The_Magic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:28:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Jr seems like a decent looking guy. But few people will ever be on Ivanka's tier.
acanoforangeslice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barron's a cute kid so far, when they don't give him that Draco Malfoy slicked back hairstyle.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:34:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Don Jr. and his girls are megadouches.
His younger son Barron might grow up to be one. The kid has a full NYC apartment floor for himself. Also supposedly Melania lets him do whatever.
murphykp ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:41:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Observations: He always looks really bored with whatever is going on. Also, I think he looks the most like his dad of all his siblings.
iushciuweiush ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:13:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Observation: He looks like any typical kid his age forced to go with his parents places he doesn't want to be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he's pretty cool, that's what Joe Rogan said so fuck it why not.
thepeka ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, his son-IN-LAW is really a nice guy and a pleasure to do business with.
beaverlyknight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kushner? When did you deal with him?
i_donno ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:36:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who would be douchey to a helicopter pilot.
sirwicksalot ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:25:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the Gob of the Trump family
Stateswitness1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean B movie Patrick Bateman?
ltadman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my head he has the same voice as Napoleon Dynamite
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Night_FoE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus that hyperbole is ridiculous.
nvrMNDthBLLCKS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not surprising, but unprofessional it is. If I were a pilot for Trump, I would not say this to a stranger. Maybe my partner or friends, but not some random guy.
kurt_go_bang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaaaaaand, they're fired now.
PurpleSailor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got that look for sure
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it's his son controlling the campaign?
VVillyD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric Trump always reminds me of this guy, the 80s businessman from Futurama with crippling boneitis.
Eddie_Hitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's surprisingly common for perfectly decent famous people to have absolute asshole famous children. You see it a lot with celebrities and political dynasties like the Kinnocks in the UK.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand something about barron makes me feel like he is a really polite kid, the real next trump
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You dropped this >
ya_mashinu_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. It always feels like even trump doesn't like him.
zeropointcorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno, man.
I mean, if you cast Trump as Baron Harkonnen, then Eric is Rabban - a foaming at the mouth, over the top maniac.
But Donald Jr. seems like Feyd-Rautha - anybody who goes to bed with him has to have the expectation that at some point in the night, they're gonna have a rusty needle shoved up their urethra.
bajamtz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the kid that's born into wealth and doesn't have the same level of respect for it that comes from having to earn it yourself. That said, there are a lot of rich pricks that have earned it themselves along with some bullshit sense of entitlement.. Money does funny things to people.
Conjwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine there are few children of billionaires that aren't megadouches.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its always the third generation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he the one with the weasely face and slicked-back hair?
That guy has the most punchable face I've ever seen.
CregDerpington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because he looks like the guy that would rob your dead body after dying suddenly in a city and not even say RIP.
RustySpannerz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Executive Vice President of the Trump Organization"
Like that title means anything...
that_guy_fry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guess those pilots are fired now
Craftminexx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude has some serial killer vibes going on in every single photo of him.
Viking521 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that surprised me in no way, shape or form
anarchy420swag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can imagine he has the typical rich spoilt child complex that alot of rich kids develop from being fed with a silver spoon their whole lives.
King_of_Mormons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you expect from someone who drinks lemonade from the water cup.
lilvon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol right?
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MajorBleeding ยท 708 points ยท Posted at 19:52:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am acquainted with a guy who had been his jet pilot for a while in the 80's and 90's. I spoke with him on election day and also a few days later. My friend is very reasonable, rationale, and likely moderately right-leaning politically. He had nothing but nice things to say about Trump as a person, and mentioned that he always seemed to hire people of diverse backgrounds. He also emphasized that Trump was respectful to those around him, including employees. He gave me an anecdote that TL:DR basically involved Trump finding out about some kid needing medical transportation and without fanfare or expectation of any personal gain flew the kid in his own jet and on his own dime. His comments are basically the only reason I haven't given up all hope.
iamonlyoneman ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 02:19:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of several instances of him helping people who needed help, one-on-one without making a big deal out of it.
Baygo22 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:43:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Duncan has been Trump's pilot "on and off since 1989" according to this very interesting documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tmbn5QMIlw
stovinchilton ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Busted
stovinchilton ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:39:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He would still be his pilot, because his pilot has been same since the 80's. And him flying the boy is well documented. None of the airlines would accommodate the stuff he needed to fly with. So trump flew him.
Inquisitorsz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:46:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This cynic in me wants to say "because they are cheaper" but we can hold on to some shred of hope. Time will tell. Actions speak louder than words.
ragamuphin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:45:07 on January 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or possibly he hires based on merit. Hello from the future
Inquisitorsz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:41:41 on January 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His cabinet choices say otherwise.
Like I said 2 months go
ragamuphin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:52:59 on January 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, if he's picking the people he thinks would be best for the role, it could still be for merit. Maybe not from your point of view.
jenkins271 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:45:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is what is so frightening about his presidential run. By most peoples accounts, he's actually a pretty likable and respectful guy, almost the complete opposite of what he has portrayed himself to be during the elections. Yet he was ready and willing to use the southern strategy and play on the fears that lots of white Americans have about blacks, immigrants, Muslims etc. The environment and atmosphere that he has welcomed through his rhetoric is extremely divisive and dangerous to the American public. He's opened up a genie that will never be able to go back into its bottle. Using racism and xenophobia as a platform for a bid at the most powerful position in the world is at the least irresponsible, at worst...well I don't wanna think about how bad it can possibly get.
INVISIBLEAVENGER ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:34:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, blame the media. Trump is so pro-minority he won the fucking Ellis Island Award alongside Rosa Parks, bruh. The media chose to display him as a racist, sexist, xenophobic monster because it suited them, not because that is who he is. He isn't any of those things.
TMWNN ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 23:25:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in NYC. Trump has been a local celebrity for 40 years, long before The Apprentice made him a household name. As /u/GeneticsGuy said, it is impossible, impossible, for any real racist to have made it through the crucible of the New York media spotlight for that long without having been exposed as being one. Strange how, once Trump became a Republican candidate, the Democratic party and the usual horde of bien-pensants immediately anointed him as a racistsexistantigayist like every single non-leftist political candidate is said to be, eh?
noodlesfordaddy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:37:46 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm definitely more on the Trump side than Hillary but he did put out a message saying that he wants to ban Muslims from entering the country... not much spin needed for that one.
INVISIBLEAVENGER ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:23:29 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's suggested a temporary ban on immigration from majority-muslim countries where terrorism is a problem. Which, whether one agrees with it or not, is not racist as islam is not a race, but a religion, and is in fact explicitly allowed by our national Constitution. So. Agree with him or not, what's implictly negative about admitting there's a problem with letting people into our country who may literally be terrorists without screening them heavily? Look at Ghana - they just shut down a fake embassy that had been giving out illegal but legitimate visas and passports for a decade. Anyone with money could have bribed their way into an actually legitimate but non-authorized visa. What's wrong with admitting that we need to have entrance exams when extending the privilege to others of letting them reside with us in our great nation?
noodlesfordaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:40 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree with him. All I'm saying is that definitely opens the door for people to call him racist.
INVISIBLEAVENGER ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:56 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it doesn't. islam isn't a race - just a supremely barbaric religion, whose adherents commit most of the terror-violence in this world.
noodlesfordaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:20 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cool man
Moelah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:16 on February 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its true. I used to think people were just being extreme when talking about Islam that way. Birgitte Gabriel ex-muslim has some real shit to say.
jenkins271 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are we talking about the same man who had countless lawsuits against him because of his penchant for housing discrimination? The same man who said that because a judge is Mexican, that he should be removed from one of his court cases? Lmao @pro minority
INVISIBLEAVENGER ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:34:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump hasn't had a single successful lawsuit against him for discrimination against minority in his real estate. Not one. His father had a couple levied against him in the 70s, but Donald Trump is a smashingly upstanding guy. Unbrainwash yourself: You are still crying wolf
jenkins271 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And OJ doesn't have 1 successful murder conviction against him. Not 1.
psychopompadour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:13 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you'd actually look into his court cases you'll see tons of obstruction, refusal to do things like produce documents in a timely manner (or sometimes, ever), and general time-wasting, because he is well known for simply making it so expensive to sue him successfully that nobody is generally able to do it. When he does think he might lose in a fairly quick fashion, he usually settles the case (and therefore, doesn't admit guilt... but it's interesting to look at how many settlements there are and which situations they occurred in). You can't just say a super rich person with gobs of expensive lawyers is innocent of all crimes because he's rarely been found guilty without looking at these factors. Do you think a "smashingly upstanding guy" would obstruct the courts and ignore direct orders from judges to produce documents for 2+ years? Is it your argument that he would do this because he is so incredibly innocent of wrong-doing? My guess is that he IS guilty of discrimination against minority renters (there is plenty of hard evidence, unbrainwash yourself) but that it was not malicious or motivated by bigotry... I'm guessing this behavior was based on either statistics or a general worry that certain "types" of renters were more likely to be poor or unable to pay rent, and that he was just trying to avoid entire groups by going with "safer" groups. Which coincidentally is still illegal behavior. Basically what I'm saying is I think he probably violated the law, in a racist manner, but I don't think he did it because of racism, just money.
INVISIBLEAVENGER ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:35:50 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um. So you agree he's not racist or prejudiced, but rather, just a greedy jew?
QED.
fastbeemer ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:30:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean how the media portrayed him? The same media that gave him 2% to win, and you're still believing their spin? They sold you lies, preyed on your fear, and counted on your ignorance, after all of that you are still carrying their water. Here is an example, Trump never ever said to deport immigrants, he said to deport illegal immigrants, but the media leaves off the illegal part and stokes the flames of all immigrants. They did that on issue after issue, then blame it on fake Facebook news so they don't have to be accountable. Get some self respect man.
psychopompadour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:45 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I think they often report the illegal part, at least if they are real news orgs... I certainly recall seeing it throughout the election cycle, anyhow. People were upset specifically on behalf of, yes, ILLEGAL immigrants, not regular immigrants. I mean I'm sure there are people around who took it much more generally and broadly, but no reputable media org I saw said anything about non-illegal immigrants. The arguments were over how one would actually implement it any more broadly than it already is without violating various constitutional amendments, and, if you could somehow do it at all, what the effect on our economy would be. I did not hear anybody going on about him advocating deporting regular legal immigrants. I mean I'm sure there were people who did, but you can't point at some random nutbags with a domain name and be like "THEY REPRESENT THE EVIL LIBERAL MEDIA." In general, a lot of fake info about both candidates did get spread around social media very irresponsibly.
ComesWithTheFall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:55 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/sVIkAqwcgas?t=32m
psychopompadour ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:20:37 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're not suggesting Ann Coulter is not a nutbag
ComesWithTheFall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm suggesting you are a nutbag, because lefties always project.
Prince_Pika ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 05:46:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, do you have a source for an instance when Trump played on fears about blacks? I've never seen an instance of that, and iirc, he received record support from blacks for a Republican candidate. Also, I would just like to point out an error: he used fears concerning illegal immigrants, not all immigrants. They are not the same.
Fucanelli ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 12:27:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the hate about what he said about illegal immigrants being criminal either. We literally have an entire agency (ICE) that deports hundreds of thousands of criminal illegal immigrants every year. Not just illegal immigrants, but specifically ones that have committed felonies
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:27:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why I'm racist for not caring about illegal immigrants. They've had how many years to apply for citizenship? Now they're worried because the due date is coming near. I don't even care if they get to stay, it's not a big deal to me, but I wouldn't he up set if they were all deported. How is that racist? I don't expect to go to their country and get free things without paying my dues.
14domino ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on January 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? You don't "apply for citizenship" if you're an illegal immigrant.
kkkkat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, tens of them.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:37:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mind sharing them?
kkkkat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:02:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:12:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh
jenkins271 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:43:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His use of the slogan "Make America great again" is all one needs to hear to know what emotions and reactions he was trying to illicit from white society. This slogan, which originated from Ronald Reagans 1980 presidential campaign, is a part of "the southern stratagey" used to stoke memories of white nostalgia, when white privilege was uncontested and black subordination was unquestioned. "Make America white again" was heard loud and clear by both white and black voters. He dubbed himself "the law and order candidate" saying that he would be "tough on crime". Yet another dog whistle term that historically has been used as code word to assure white Americans that they're unwarranted fear of black criminality would be assuaged through, what the New York supreme court agreed, is a bias and racist police tactic--stop and frisk. There is a reason why the alt-right, the KKK, neo nazi and white nationalist groups all put their unwavering support behind Trump--he spoke directly to their racist and xenophobic sensibilities. Having these groups publicly endorse a presidential candidate would almost certainly sink a campaign, and to not have that candidate categorically denounce their support would be career suicide. Neither of which happened. That is because, he was able to tap into the psyche of the average white citizen, even those who consider themselves not to be racists, through his ability to invoke the idea of white agency and identity. The countless stories of post election harassment, violence, vandalism and disrespect of minorities by the white majority in the name of Trump, shows that his message was not lost on his constituency. This all may seem anecdotal, but the southern strategy is very real, very harmful, and Trump played it to perfection.
Prince_Pika ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:22:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are extrapolating. You haven't given me a concrete reason to believe that he was playing on bias against blacks yet. The closest you've come is to say that the white population of this country have, at the very least, internalized racism, and it's activated by conditioned "code words."
Yes, there were shitty people who responded to Trump's nationalism. The groups you listed obviously weren't going to throw their support behind a candidate who pandered to minorities for their votes. You're lacking the other viewpoint.
Also, after the shitstorm of the primaries, I choose not to believe accounts of aggression unless they can be proven true. Even if you have someone harrassing another person while screaming Trump, there were already accounts of paid hecklers during the primaries. Why should I believe that they've vanished?
And, while you may claim that makes me biased, I'm also skeptical of the fact that genuine Hillary supporters were starting violence at the protests. I believe it would be relatively easy for someone with influence to manufacture 90% of the post-election atmosphere. I am not saying that there are no true accounts of Trump supporters harrassing people. Every group of people has a few assholes.
jenkins271 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You seem like a reasonable and fair-minded person, so if you could do me a favor and watch a Documentary on Netflix called "the 13th". It goes into greater depth and detail about the point that I was making about the southern strategy. It's a pretty good and not at all preachy.
ChaseObserves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:57 on February 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey it's 97 days later and you are fake news (read: categorically false) https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/
GeneticsGuy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:35:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imo, it has really been the media that has portrayed him so negatively. No one ever accused him of being this white supremacist racist until he ran as a Republican and people have been digging into his life and every aspect of it for decades.
stovinchilton ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:40:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not even from the south. He's from NY
jenkins271 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:42:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy It's not about where the candidate is from.
stovinchilton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer non mobile links. Thanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
jenkins271 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:49:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You want to remain ignorant simply because the answer is not in the format of your liking? Cool
wheresmysnack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:09:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just admit to reddit that you don't know what "The Southern Strategy" is.
stovinchilton ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:00:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I obviously don't
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope
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SMofJesus ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:19:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We obviously don't know the full story.
FerretInTheBasement ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:15:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
electricblues42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/trump-files-donald-sick-infant-medical-care
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/what-sort-of-man-is-donald-trump
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3382756/Donald-Trump-cut-medical-treatment-nephew-s-sick-baby.html
stan11003 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The parents sued him and wanted a bigger share of his fathers inheritance so he cut them off.
RowdyPants ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:47:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take a shot at the king you'd best not miss
electricblues42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is not true. What happened is that Donald and his sisters went to their dying father (who had Alzheimerโs or dementia according to different sources) and while he was on his deathbed they convinced Fred Trump Sr. to change his will to cut his firstborn son Freddy Trump Jr. out of the will almost entirely, the will was even drafted by Donald. After this was found out Freddy Trump Jr.'s widow sued Donald, and rightly so. After that happened Donald cut his nephew off of the family insurance which he had been set up by Fred Trump Sr.
GalaxyMods ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:28:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd never heard that story before, but I'm not sure I buy it. I feel like if that's even true, then we're missing parts of the story.
blackhodown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First of all he voluntarily was paying in the first place, and then he "cut him off" essentially as a threat to the kids greedy mom who was suing for more inheritance when Fred Trump Sr. died.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 03:14:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 04:17:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you know another rich man and because this man is rich and Donald Trump is rich, they are the same person with the same personalities?
Thanks
[deleted] ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 16:15:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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F4ST_M4ST3R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its better when you just imagine Eric sucking on a cheeto
tsunami3323 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope sir, didn't get better
omart3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That must have been the time when Donald broke his arms.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:25:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Teledildonic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I wasn't, until your comment.
Thanks, asshole.
ZeusBin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
biddy made him strong.
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 17:56:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 710 points ยท Posted at 18:46:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow I thought this was a reference to helicopter parents. Like he had some pilots that just followed him around all the time making sure he didn't fuck up or something.
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PM_ME_UR_WELLINGTONS ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:31:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize it said pilots until I read your post, thought it said parents and thought it was weird that OP described Trump's parents like that. I suck at reading -_-
drs43821 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We, normal people, deals with more helicopter parents than helicopter pilots
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect Trump gets to his parent-teacher meetings by helicopter, so he literally is a helicopter parent.
Reyali ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually read it as "helicopter parents" and spent about a minute trying to figure out why his parents were there and talking about how he takes care of them. I realized my mistake on, I think, my third reading? Derp.
h-styles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same! That's what I get for working in college admissions...I'm just constantly on alert for helicopter parents.
AgCat1340 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:55:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to fly a guy around as his private flying limo pilot. He was a business man who owned a buttload of equipment and we'd fly to jobs around the country. A lot of times I'd tag along with him everywhere we went, from job sites to dinners. I always had to keep an eye and ear out whilst we were traveling to be sure he wasn't getting screwed over or saying the wrong things.
hog_master ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:19:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you slow?
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:36:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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itswhywegame ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:11:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just looking at Eric Trump, that sounds about right.
iushciuweiush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously though, I try not to judge a book by it's cover but come on...
TheSilverNoble ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:50:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a boss who was like that. Every story he told was about how great he was, or about how someone else did badly at something he is good at.
nerfAvari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rich people are people too. I think no matter who you are, you'd brag a little if Bill Gates said something nice about you to a room full of people lol
YoureNotAGenius ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:04:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got such a megadouche vibe from Eric in that 60minutes interview. I picture him being really abusive to his family at home and acting like a total nice guy outside of it
morg93anlee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he did grow up a rich kid. I don't see the abusive part though, there's no reason to say that.
YoureNotAGenius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying he does do that, just that I get that vibe from him. I think he reminds me of a TV show bad guy. Maybe Law and Order or something
morg93anlee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm his baby face gives the opposite impression to me. And that hair (barf)
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i dont know why people think trump would be an asshole. it's called social skills. most rich people and especially business people have them. they come from a line of people who were good at socializing. so while trump might have some ideas about society that we disagree with, that doesnt mean he doesnt know how to make people like him. you never really know someone until you've dealt with them over a wide range of issues. i dont know what people this in thread were hoping to see.
NettleGnome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to say that I agree with this. There are plenty of people who are horrible, but very charming. If a psychopath can be nice, anyone can. Not that I think Trump is a psychopath, I don't know the man. The principal stands though. Anyone can be pleasant and yet have some pretty awful opinions. It's called being human.
PropsNPowder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not commenting on Trump specifically at all here, but I think the idea comes from the (sometimes deserved) perception that a lot of wealthy people are arrogant and can be impolite in social situations with people of "lesser standing."
dFpiuwhiPvv2J1DnJ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:01:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they were speaking to you with candor about their boss's son, maybe you shouldn't out them on the internet?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They often are. But Erik's tend to be pretty cool.
AshleyScared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eriks are cool dudes but Erics are dicks
Be like the Eriks
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Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The guy who thought the big blue part of the map was the land?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What were the interactions between Donald and Eric like, then? I mean, if one is fairly nice and the other is a complete douche, it doesn't seem like they would have gotten along too well.
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Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's showing off his raging clue.
NettleGnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a pretty solid humblebrag.
neverducky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eric looks like that fat actor
ScifiGirl1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about his son is not surprising.
BearyPotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no trouble believing Eric Trump is an enormous douche.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can believe that his sons have this look of doucheyness to them
Podo13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've never gotten the megadouche vibe from Trump. Ruthless, cutthroat and not of the highest intelligence maybe, but he's always seemed pretty nice in general. Unlike his son.
I_Photoshop_Movies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What he said sounds exactly like how Kanye would talk like at parties.
Kanye 2020, we're on it.
morg93anlee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All rich people, yes I'm stereotyping, are generally, at least a little bit, socially awkward.
lavendermini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this said his helicopter parents and then I was confused
kayelar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is a private pilot. This is often the case.
Kilo914 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course the kid would be a douche
3ric3288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course his name has to be Eric, dammit. Giving us Eric's a bad name.
horrrors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.eater.com/2016/10/21/13357216/eric-trump-in-n-out-stolen-lemonade
NAbsentia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which one is Eric? Uday or Qusay? I keep getting them mixed up.
knightni73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deep thought.
What if Eric has been writing Trump's Tweets all along?
radarthreat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figured it would be the one that looks like ugly American Psycho
BearFluffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric seems like a mega douche.
SadGhoster87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit what happened to the comments
EMER1TUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crikey careful mate, you don't want to get the chopper pilots fired if someone reads this..
ATLHawksfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to get the pilots in trouble, dude....
loumatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I've read and heard, Donald is great with personal relationships, friends and employees. Not sure why the effort and compassion doesn't translate. But, and you mentioned this to some degree, his two sons are huge entitled assholes.
mostdope28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can tell that kid is a self righteous fuck who has never done a days work
whitecompass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric Trump has herpes.
AsiaToGo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric Trump literally looks like a manchild version of Richie Rich.
dotben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, whenever I'm about to fly in a helicopter I like to make sure that the pilots are not hyperglycemic...
havesome_selfrespect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All his helicopter pilots hired 18+ months ago just got fired
iushciuweiush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference between the son of a working class father and the son of a billionaire in a nutshell.
ExtremelyQualified ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of these nice Donald stories are fascinating. Why would he go out of his way to be such a dick to people in this campaign? Having a hard time reconciling this info. Thanks for sharing it just the same.
maxstolfe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he just wants people to know who he is and if he doesn't say it himself, he's worried people won't think he is. Not saying it's good or bad, just a matter of opinion.
TourismBarrytown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well generally it is a good idea to ensure the people operating the million dollar machinery defying gravity with you inside of it aren't malnourished
Detlef_Schrempf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually think Donald Trump would be a nice guy to anyone he meets. He seems like he treats people decently. I do, however, think that all goes out the window when it comes to business. I think he has trust and inferiority complexes that make him think everybody operates like he does (short pay, liens, lawsuits). I think he looks at president as a game to prove something to himself or others and that's why I have little faith in his presidency. Elected officials at the highest office shouldn't be trying to prove something. It's about serving others, not serving yourself.
everythingundersun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like the rich dad will always shit on his son.
penultimart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, this could just be self-preservation :P
Probably good to keep your magic death-trap levitator wizards in top condition.
Early_Grace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, now those poor pilots are going to end up in Eric's Fun Pain Palace. Sleep well on that!
ThaneduFife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't rehash a story from another thread, but Eric Trump once ditched me at a bar in college. I don't think he was ever a nice guy.
koalaburr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin said she met Trump at a party too. She said he was just kinda standoffish and kept to himself. But this was a party full of younger people, I'm sure he wouldn't have much to share.
Raddagast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a no brainer. I wouldn't want my pilots who literally have my life in their hands to be anything but well rested and not burning out from job stress.
ElbowStrike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard similar stories about former Prime Minister of Canada Stephen Harper's son. Total shit. Harper on the other hand was just a robot.
DylanTheVillian1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald is a political version of Vegeta, while Eric is just that one asshole fuckboy who only goes to college because his parents can afford it.
bbctol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric Trump goes on /pol/ finally confirmed
CalmMango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can definitely see that. He has one of those faces. "My fawthah woll hee about vis Pottah!"
Stickfygure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His male children all look like they are trying to be the guy from American psycho when photographed.
Vicious_Violet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Eric Uday or Kusay?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vampire looking one?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This can be because of contractual obligations, but it's also just damn polite. I've known a couple of private pilots and they're always given lodging and meals, even if it's not at the level of whomever they're flying around with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
huh, that's sorta surprising to hear. I was an intern on the Trump Campaign and the rest of my team and I got the opportunity to meet Eric. He talked with us for over 1/2 an hr, put his interviews on hold to do so. Seemed like a swell guy, was very interested in our strategies and what we were doing.
scooterbud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met one of Trumps jet pilots... very particular person, which didn't surprise me. I mentioned that it must be an honor to fly for him and he just went "...yeah" in a way that said "its alright I guess"
Mindfullmatter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now the pilots have been fired because trump is a reddit watcher.
Zombekas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a nice slavemaster of the 18th century
Murican_Freedom1776 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've met Eric, he isn't a douche. He was actually really awesome.
29100610478021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that usually the case when you're the child of a wealthy person? In my experiences anyway
pooponagoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your pilot is in poor health, hates you...you gon' die.
A_Night_Owl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who valet parked his car at a venue and says Eric was pretty respectful and tipped him well.
mereih ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:34 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would that be Douchebag Von Fuckface, or Thurston Shitbag the third?
CarpeMofo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:09 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not surprised, if we put together the best artists, psychologists and engineers together to create the worlds most punchable face, it still wouldn't be as punchable as Eric Trump.
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I actually believe Trump is an introvert. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/11/politics/presidential-handwriting/
I think he is even possibly on the Autism spectrum. Not kidding. As ASD runs in my immediate family, I believe I have it too based on my WAIS III and WJ scores.
After watching Trump speak and reading interviews about him, he seems very much like other people with ASD. That odd peculiarity about Bill Gates would be a textbook Asperger's comment.
BTW I don't think this is a bad thing. I think Trump has problems communicating verbally. I think that its his greatest weakness, but I think over the course of his life he has learned to create a veil that makes him seem the way he does.
edit: also too add. The fact that he is a night owl, which is pretty common with people with ASD, also adds to my belief.
Vranak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:24 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's because deep down he knows he's not a smart man that he continually has to try to prove to himself or others than he is. It's a basic psychological defense mechanism, and at the bottom of it all is a deep well of shame and sadness.
completedesaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:16 on February 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My parents were helicopter pilots for Trump in Manhattan. That's where they met.
He used the two helicopter gig to take his mistresses in on one aircraft, while flying his wife and kids out on the other.
My mom said 'he wasn't that bad, but he was like an old creepy man' despite admitting he was not old at the time.
My father never talked about Donald much, but right before the election my older brother and I were discussing the current state of affairs.
He said, "You know, you were too young to remember any of this, but right after you were born, he (Trump) stopped paying Dad."
I asked my parents to confirm and they said yes, that Donald didn't pay my dad for several weeks after I was born and we almost got evicted from our apartment.
SSB4Decoder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:04 on April 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I'm Eric
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tblasz ยท 1286 points ยท Posted at 18:10:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Worked at one of his golf courses recently for a few months. He would come pretty often especially once the election began, as it was a good way to keep some privacy. Meet him a few times during my time there but the one I remember most was when I had to bring food to his cottage. Went through secret service checking me and I knock on his door. Didn't answer so I knock again. Didn't answer so I tried one more time. He opens the door and the conversation goes like this. "I have your pasta primavera sir" "Not for me, what is it again?" "Pasta primavera", while looking at it "Yeah not for me, sorry" and closed the door. Turned out it was for his speech writer for the convention who was in a room next door. Another time I watched him watch himself giving on interview on nbc in the men's lounge and his reactions were interesting. Have a few more stories about the man but overall from what I saw he was a great guy.
Edit There was the time we all pretty much knew pence would be the vp as the families spent the weekend together. Another time that comes to mind with him was when I helped serve ivankas table with trump was by and he asked me about the kosher wings but I didn't say anything as it was my first time dealing with it but my manager was there so he had my back and answered the questions he had.
IncompetentWaffle ยท 374 points ยท Posted at 18:49:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will you elaborate?
tblasz ยท 540 points ยท Posted at 19:05:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there were a few moments he claimed comments were taken out of context, followed by some of friends that it didn't sound so bad. There were private discussions that took place with his team that I didn't get a chance to be around as my manager made me do my job.
tatorface ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 20:39:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That's as close to a fly on the wall during a presidential election as it gets. Would love to have observed this and more.
cinepro ยท 472 points ยท Posted at 21:50:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine was a documentary filmmaker for Romney's 2008 and 2012 runs. He ended up making the movie "Mitt", which is a great view of the Romney side of the 2012 campaign. He was basically given carte blanche access to Romney during the entire campaign (including family gatherings and "time off"), and afterwards he was able to tell me the truth: Romney and his family were just the nicest, cheesiest people in the world.
It's possible that the race between Romney and Obama was a choice between the two best people to ever run for President from a character and moral standpoint.
Nsyochum ยท 191 points ยท Posted at 22:57:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course Romney is a super nice guy, he is Mormon, almost all Mormons are super nice.
jaxxon ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:21:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And cheesy. In a good way.
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ronton ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:50:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or be gay
_CallMeCisMale_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:57:06 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop making everything about gay people.
Enough already.
ronton ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:22:42 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Novelty account?
thejunipertree ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:21:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a woman.
sunxiaohu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:05:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sweetest cultists you'll ever meet. Mormons might be the only thing I miss about AZ.
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Who cares what they say behind my back?
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Nsyochum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lived in Boise for 16 years :)
missxfebruary ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 23:55:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never agreed with Romney's politics and proudly voted for Obama, but I was never genuinely concerned that the country would go to shit if he won. That was a nice election.
odaeyss ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:22:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually did not vote in that election! I just... didn't really care. I mean, hey whatever. No strong opinion and was honestly totally fine with however it turned out.
jonesing247 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:49:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh the good old days, when a vote for Jill Stein didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth.
missxfebruary ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:55:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I had a strong opinion, but it was mostly about Paul Ryan, not Romney.
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missxfebruary ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know anything about him as a person, but his policy proposals and voting history are more than enough for it not to matter.
peanutsfan1995 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:32:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mitt always asks the people at our local ice cream spot to put extra sprinkles on his wife's ice cream once she walks away from the ordering window. Then he brings it up once she comes back with the grandkids to get the cones and she always laughs and smiles about it.
He's a good dude.
bryondouglas ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:09:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely and proudly voted for Obama in 2012, and volunteered on his campaign. But that was such a good doc. I had this impression of Romney as being so out of touch and almost robotically career-minded and money-focused. But after seeing that movie I developed a deep respect for him as a family man with deep convictions that meant a lot to him. It changed how I look at politics, especially the "other side." Tell your friend "thanks" from a random redditor!
less___than___zero ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:43:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, not entirely dissimilar ideologically either. Obamacare is basically just MassHealth applied to the entire country, which was Romney's doing.
I'm your classic liberal stereotype, but I'd have voted for Romney against a different Democratic candidate (like, say, Hillary).
NoHoeMOE510 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:15:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the Netflix documentary?
N0ahface ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:12:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not op, just looked it up for you. It's on Netflix,
but I don't think it was produced by them.Edit: it was produced by Netflix
JakeBartolin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:26:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live a couple towns over from the Romney's (Someone on his road STILL has one of his campaign signs up, funny enough). My best friend was in boy scouts and had a scout meeting at his house. Friend says he's one of the nicest people you could ever meet. Friend also had a hilarious crush on one of his daughters at the time.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:49:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet the media still slandered the fuck out of him and called him a racist.
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cinepro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes he is!
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That's actually adorable
ifistbadgers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:36:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was watching that a while ago and was blown away... Almost wonder if he would have been better... don't get me wrong, I was in college and we partied when Obama got elected but still... a man can dream.
motheroflulu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for sharing this! I was brought to tears by the documentary, and while I voted for Romney, I like the way you put the 2012 race between him and Obama.
asoneva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure all presidents are nice, most politicians are nice, that's how they got to be politicians. People have to like you.
cinepro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Nice" in public maybe. But Nixon, Johnson, Hillary Clinton, and numerous Senators and other leaders have had more than a few stories about their private conduct that paints less than a rosy picture.
redplanetlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:29 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the jury is still out on Obama. Especially the way he is critical of DT. No other president ever talked that way about his replacement.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:32:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad he made most of money destroying companies by raping and pillaging them.
connathan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:23:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the media wanted people to think of him as hitler
cinepro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't recall it ever getting that bad with the mainstream media. Obviously there was a lot of self-inflicted damage with the comment about the 49% who don't pay taxes at the fundraiser. That kind of created a persona that was hard to shake.
tblasz ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 20:45:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a great experience and loved the few months I was there. It was nearly a wet dream if you are into politics.
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tblasz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:55:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish that would be one hell of a story
magicgreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:25 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try CNN!!
Erantis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
managers can be soo annoying can't they?
notenoughspaceforthe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:20:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine's always on my case about being on Reddit... what a jerk
Arkansan13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:52:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That shit wouldn't surprise me at all, there is no telling what gets left on the cutting room floor.
Ch3wwy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me! 2 days
A11U45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:23 on February 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read "reactions" as "erection",
ross-and-rachel ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:09:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please elaborate on him watching himself give an interview. I'm curious how he was reacting.
DirtyGhettoOmelette ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:15:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably, "Damn, this guy should run for president! He makes a lot of sense! We should build a wall!"
Toutouka19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We want more :)
yaboiChopin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to hear some more stories!
xasper8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not doubting your story. I just find this bit interesting:
I'm surprised the SS would not, at least, be aware of a room service order. ANYONE could steal a hotel uniform and walk up with a tray of food... I'm shocked they wouldn't at least confirm an order was made before allowing you access anywhere near his door.
tblasz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:18:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I knew the secret service guys as we fed them as well, we also went through background checks, and they looked at the ticket that came with the order that said bring to trumps cottage. Should have made that more clear sorry.
xasper8 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:46:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain that!
tblasz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:49:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No problem man. Have a good night.
horseboy1010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does he eat kosher?
tblasz ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:05:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope ivanka and Jared do he just showed up to their dinner.
horseboy1010 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:16:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting.
tblasz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:21:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Jared is Jewish so that is why
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tblasz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The door to his cottage
hostnamedbernard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What door?
tblasz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not getting it
hostnamedbernard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a bot; beep boop. Watch westworld :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't mean anything to me.
scratch_043 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're definitely on a list now.
Secret service knows who you are from the room service delivery, and your online personal and real life identity have now been linked.
It's like the ultimate doxxing.
tblasz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:32:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got nothing to hide its all good
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 22:16:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I not believing any of these positive posts? Perhaps because the writing style make them look as written by the same person?
iushciuweiush ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:37:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you believe everything you're told as long as it aligns with your personal world views and if it doesn't you automatically dismiss it as bullshit?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah man
d13bacc ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:49:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's because the media has led you to believe that he cannot possibly be a nice person. It's the old judge a book by a cover, or first impressions mean everything type of deal. remember a lie told enough times eventually becomes a truth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah dude
Bobloblawlawblog79 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:38:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But these "impressions" are both numerous and really damaging. Also, whether these are his true beliefs are or not, he has legitimized hate speech as well as hate crimes. Since the election results we have had four incidents of "ethnic intimidation" on my very liberal college campus. One guy threatened to light a girl in fire if she didn't remove her hijab. That will be his legacy.
tblasz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:28:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think I already mentioned my job in a comment from a while ago. I don't even comment often but I assure you I didn't write any others.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yah man
TheRealCretinous ยท 448 points ยท Posted at 19:21:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him at a club in Indiana where my Aunt worked. I was 10-12 at the time, he was polite and respectful to everyone, and I remember the staff talking about him tipping well.
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This was a pretty tall building in Indianapolis with a slanted glass ceiling/roof and it was one of those restaurant / club type place for well-to-do people.
kippy3267 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That republican club/restraunt downtown?
TheRealCretinous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:28:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think party lines tend to thin out as you near the top percentages of wealth...
S_Truett_Catty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:20 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
leans into mic
WRONG
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cmmedit ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 00:04:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's see...
In college when The Apprentice was just getting started. I was a producer for a project my comms dept did with the business school. We made a version of the apprentice that took all semester. At our finale, he had a phoned in piece where he congratulated us all on our hard work. Felt like a prepped speech but came off sounding very sincere.
Several years later, I had a chance to work on NBC's The Apprentice when they did the first (only?) in Los Angeles. The set was up at some nice houses on Mulholland Drive. The only real times he was present was on the boardroom days, where someone was fired. I was getting a driveway camera-ready, sweeping, when he walked by with Ivanka. As he walked by, he said "good work" to me.
Does that count?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:58:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
several YEARS later he remembered you from a college project? no shit. hmm. this guy might be a pro at social interaction... which is a good thing. I think Obama was/is pro as fuck at that, and it's done well for us.
loyalroyalty97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:13 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it does! I can only imagine how amazing it felt to be complemented by him. Good for you!
Snakecharmed ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 06:03:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him in July, so during the race. I'm a cadet in the police academy and we were asked to help with security at one of his events. Afterwards, when the crowd had all been cleared out he came back inside to take photos with all the cadets. He very sincerely thanked us all for pursuing careers in law enforcement and reminded us of how important it is and how it's certainly a difficult time for police. He made us the focus of his talk and didn't say or do anything to even indicate he was running for office. His words were very kind.
Bonus: It was such a great experience working alongside the Secret Service. Each one of them stood in line to shake our hands and wish us luck in our future careers.
AllTheseLimes ยท 296 points ยท Posted at 21:32:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I know I late to this thread but I've met him a few times and it's been nothing but great. I worked at his golf club in NC and he would stop by occasionally to see the club and put in his advice on how he wanted everything to look and whatnot for renovations. The first time I met him was right after we had reopened our golf course. There were probably 20-30 of us on staff and at the end of the night he lined everyone and shook everyone's hand, thanked them for their time, and have us all $100. It was pretty awesome. I worked there for about 10 years and throughout his run for president so it was cool to be at the club as things progressed. My last day was right after he won the Republican nomination and he decided to have a victory luncheon at the club. Security was insane but the Secret Service guys are really nice.
Branical ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:28:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was there any correlation with your last day being the first day he was nominated or just coincidence?
AllTheseLimes ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:07:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had found a job at another country club so I made that my last day since it was such an important event. I just didn't want to leave them hanging. That was the only reason.
TheOldKnlght ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:04 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The course on the Point? I live there, and know many people who work there....
LonesomeRoad62 ยท 533 points ยท Posted at 21:45:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We were having dinner at Lincoln Square Steak shortly after Trump declared his candidacy. He came in with a large party and were heading to one of the private dining rooms. It was a total shit storm. NOT his party I might add. What were seemingly refined people eating dinner before his arrival turned into wild jackals fighting for the last piece of their innocent antelope dinner. People jockeying for position to get their phones up to grab a picture and shouts of Hey Donald, you're hired/fired, they didn't care.
We decided to leave as the whole ambiance was thrown off kilter and not what we usually enjoyed. My husband somehow got the attention of our waiter and signaled for the check. We weren't paying any particular attention to anyone until someone said "Is the food bad tonight ? Looks like you barely got started". True that, our meals were basically untouched.
Well, it was Donald Trump himself, next to our table as they made their way around the dining room. Long story short, after we assured him that our leaving wasn't actually because of him, hands were shaken, pleasantries exchanged and he took our check from our returning waiter and signed for it himself.
All in all, a very nice and soft spoken man, (Yeah really) even with the chaos surrounding him.
I just don't get seemingly normal people who lose their shit when a "celebrity" is in their midst. Damn I hate the city.
chintzy ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 00:19:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree with you. I've spent some time in a resort town where celebrities live and come stay sometimes and it's always such a huge deal for people "Orlando Bloom is here" etc. I've ran into a couple and sometimes I say hi, like Larry David because I love Curb Your Enthusiasm and we ran into each other walking into the grocery store, or other times I let them eat their dinner in peace. I would never dream of asking for a selfie or something, but I'm an older Millennial so selfies and social media are a little after my time.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:08:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is it really that hard to understand the concept? this person is probably worth 5 times as much as you will in your entire life, and their face is loved and recognized by thousands of people all over the world. obviously people will be intimidated or nervous or excited if that celebrity focuses their attention on them. add to that fact if the person is a huge fan of the celebrity. it's like going to your first concert and realizing "wow this person is actually in this building, alive and breathing and shit".
wackawacka2 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:34:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Focusing attention is different than just being in one's midst.
Jaloss ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:06:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5 times? Try hundreds of times
LonesomeRoad62 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:07:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm not awed by celebrity, as I have met a lot of them. But, they are just people like us in the end.
Donald Trump was obviously a name I knew but really just an ordinary businessman, just like the hundreds other businessmen I've met. Yes, the most successful one I've ever met, I'll give you that. So ? I'm supposed to be wowed by his money ? Nope, sorry, I'm just not that materialistic. Am I that rich, no. And that's okay. I don't need to be. I would never live my life like that and I already have more money than I'll ever use...at my standard of living which is quite comfortable.
To each their own.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the average person has not met any celebrity. the closest i've ever been to meeting a celebrity was going to a concert. even then I couldn't get over the fact that this person was alive in front of me. it has nothing to do with money
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:34:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit please tell me more about LD. I love Curb, I always wonder LD's like in real life.
chintzy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:49:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was skinny and similar to how he is in Curb Your, he kind of made an awkward joke - I was with my girlfriend and we had our friends 9 year old with us, and we were about 20 at the time (this was years ago), and he made a comment about how there's no way that's our kid, haha.
I was like "Hey you're Larry David, we really love Curb Your Enthusiasm" and he was nice and acted like he appreciated us for liking the show. We also didn't bug him for autographs or pictures or anything or take up much of his time which I bet he appreciated.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:23:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. Shit I know it's annoying as FUCK especially if you are on vacations or your free time but I see Larry David or Jerry Seinfeld I would totally ask them for a picture.
I can already image Larry sayin "Nnhhaa", like in the show haha.
damageddude ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:55:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the good old days New Yorkers ignored celebrities (just didn't pay attention).
TMWNN ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:38:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hilarious how the Trump Tower lobby (a public space by law) has become the #1 place on Earth to see and be seen.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:14:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be damned.
loyalroyalty97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an amazing story. thank you for sharing!
MeowntainMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:33 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't stand when people get crazy over celebrities. I don't even watch TV shows and I couldn't care less about them.
We have the Sundance festivals here in UT every year and they all come. It's quite annoying TBH.
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Myzyri ยท 222 points ยท Posted at 22:20:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father claimed to have met Trump in the mid-to-late 80's. He was at an airport in New York and they had a gift shop. Trump was looking at the books and as my dad passed by, he recommended Stephen King's IT.
Anyway, Trump says thank you and continues browsing. My dad gets his flight provisions and leaves. He's got time to kill, so he gets a coffee and sits down to read the paper. A few minutes later, Trump sits down and says, "I read the back cover. I think this will give me nightmares."
My dad said he and Trump just talked like two guys hanging out. Talked a little about the book, talked about New York, and just random chit chat till my dad had to go.
Dad expected Trump to be kind of an ass, but he said Trump was actually a pretty nice guy. My dad said Trump "seemed lonely" when they talked though.
thwoomp ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 01:41:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could see how he could come across that way. In this thread it seems pretty clear that he is very extroverted and is constantly going out of his way to have these little interactions with strangers, often talking to them for a long time.
When I was in customer service I got the same impression from customers who seemed to really want to talk to employees. I couldn't imagine wanting to tell a clerk my life story, so to me it seemed like they needed someone to talk to and were perhaps a bit lonely. I don't think it's necessarily true(could be for some people), but for those of use who prefer to keep to themselves it can certainly seem that way.
Myzyri ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:57:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in real estate. Like Trump but without the billions of dollars. Lol.
I generally keep to myself when I'm off the clock. I have a very small and select group of friends. But when I'm working, I've got to be extra cheery, high-energy, and always super-positive. If I go to any kind of function, it's the same thing. Upbeat, networking, sell sell sell. So, i think I understand how Trump can enjoy a nice normal conversation with another human being. I know I certainly do at times.
stateinspector ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:36:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine that it's because when you're that rich and powerful, it's very tough to have regular friends. You're generally friends with people in your social circle, and when those people are celebrities and billionaires, there's only so many of them, and they're almost always too busy to just hang out. Not to mention you can't go anywhere without paparazzi following you or people whipping out their phones to take pictures. Like the saying goes, it's lonely at the top.
soniko_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:52:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a job where i had to travel a lot, and after a while, you know everyone and no one.
Sure, you come back home, but after a while, even home feels weird, you feel this weird disconnection and it feels kinda like familiar, but out of place, not sure how to explain it.
And yes, when you're alone/by yourself and traveling a lot, you end up talking to strangers on hotels, lobbies, elevators, like, whatever.
I think it's human nature.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:42 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pilot?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:09:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He does seem lonely
TotallyNotAGypsy ยท 14948 points ยท Posted at 16:29:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When I was a kid I was friends with a very, I repeat very wealthy kid. We went to the same boxing gym. He was the son of someone very important in California, probably an oil mogul or something.
One day we where invited to a barbecue to celebrate his birthday, and arriving there his dad take us on a tour of the giant house, and introduces us to all the other guests who where his friends.
One of those guests was Mr. Donald Trump.
I shook his hand and he said "Ow, that's a pretty solid handshake." I said thanks and he asked me if I happened to be Samoan, because I was pretty strong for a 14 year old. I said my family was from New Zealand, and thus was of Maori descent. He said "That's nice, I always wanted to go to New Zealand."
Then he told us to study hard and work hard so we all could live in big houses like our hosts when we grew up.
Then he went back to talking to the other people.
EDIT: All you people trying to start shit based on this story. Please stop.
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BigAl265 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:55:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The anti-Trumpers showed up and when they saw all these stories about what a decent guy he is, it triggered them and they had to manufacture some outrage. Pretty pathetic.
Lanko ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So. 3 Questions.
Did you Study hard?
Did you work hard?
Do you own a big house like your host?
TotallyNotAGypsy ยท 349 points ยท Posted at 22:07:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1) I got a Law Degree and a bachelor of business administration.
2) I own 2 gyms and a catering business
3) Quite big, not as big my host's in the story, but I think my family is set.
Worra2575 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 23:14:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty fucking awesome story dude.
cutdownthere ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:00:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And its all thanks to donald trump's motivational speech.
[deleted] ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 23:25:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
obviously the secret to success is to touch donald.
HeywardH ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:31:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm lucky Mr. Talent will rub his tentacles on my art.
DieArschgeige ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sentence right there is art.
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Nice
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TotallyNotAGypsy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:27:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given that I went into business, I'd say the BBA. If I had gone on to law practice, then obviously the Law one.
It all depends, what kind of career would you like to have? Any answer goes.
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TotallyNotAGypsy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well even if you haven't decided what career path you wanna take, that's no biggie, I myself only figured out I didn't wanna be a lawyer after I was done with lawschool. If you have an interest in administration or economics, you should definetly go for that area Economics in particular would open a wide array of career options for you. From your post I can safely say there is no wrong choice in the direction you are going.
Octavia9 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:49:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you won at life bigly.
TotallyNotAGypsy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:20:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly! I'm not really that attached to material wealth. I always seen my job was a means to an end, that end being giving to my family what I didn't have growing up, and making sure my wife and future kids don't want for nothing, and everything else after that is a consequence of following that goal, really.
I'd be just as happy in a middle class household with a single car and bills to pay.
Live is good and worth living either way.
VladimirPootietang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
random but, do you feel the law degree helped with your businesses?
TotallyNotAGypsy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:10:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definetly. It helped me know my way around civil regulations, permits, random bureocracy, insurances, what I can and can't do with my business, etc. Tax law has been particularly helpful.
I don't think there's such thing as useless knowledge.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations man, did Trump's advice motivate you/influence you at all or were you already committed to success?
TotallyNotAGypsy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:17:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much already committed. I actually had no idea who Donald Trump was until after that day, when I looked him up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very cool. Kudos!
haroldtitus425 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, son!
XenuWorldOrder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Internet high five to you, man. Seriously, that is awesome to hear.
timedragon1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best "after the fact" to a story I've ever heard. Kudos, my man.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Badass. Good for you bro.
RarewareUsedToBeGood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump did it again
Blytpls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I respect that hustle.
madhousechild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should write him a letter.
The_Punniest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I shake your hand? I want some of that Donald magic to rub off on me.
TedyCruz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
have you read Rich Dad, Poor Dad?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:34:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Question for you:
Why in the holy hell did you capitalize the word "study?"
Lanko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:42:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I originally wrote it started typing it in a list format that reads as follows.
Did you:
Study hard?
Work Hard?
Own a Big house like your host?
Which makes more sense to have each line capitalized. However, as I was finishing the first item in the list I realized I preferred the repetitive nature of placing "Did you" at the start of every question. So I backtracked and appended the "Did you" to the "Study hard?" line. Then I proceeded to type out the additional lines in that format.
When I modified the structure of that line I failed to notice that the capitalization needed to be modified too.
My bad.
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Lanko ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:21:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are legitimate questions, why does that make me a dick?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:04:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because legitimate questions and honesty makes you a dick on reddit.
Luftwaffle88 ยท 1826 points ยท Posted at 18:16:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Whats stopping a billionaire from going to new zealand?
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Christ on meth. One stupid rhetorical comment posted while shitting at work resulted in soooo many people taking it seriously.
nblackhand ยท 3121 points ยท Posted at 18:24:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Time constraints, I guess? Like he's just never gotten around to it because there's other stuff to do?
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eatcheeseordie ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 22:22:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also just a polite thing to say. Maybe he has no interest at all in going to New Zealand.
armorandsword ยท 183 points ยท Posted at 23:46:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"That's of little significance to me, I've never wanted to go there"
LTVOLT ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 00:36:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say that if someone told me they were from Arkansas
HamburgerMachineGun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:46:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Wyoming
Poopiepants29 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:47:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wyoming is beautiful.
HamburgerMachineGun ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:03:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it is, but it also is of little significance and I haven't really wanted to go there
Bad_doughnut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Alabama.
Shvingy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:16:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Begone from my presence"
armorandsword ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:33:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Get away from me kid, you're bothering me"
Hidesuru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'tis a silly place.
fletchindubai ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:24:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. He was hardly going to put on a Larry David voice and say, "Meh, never appealed... to much space between things... what if you need to go to a corner shop to get milk, you could walk for days before finding a corner... not for me."
ABSOLUTE_IDEOLOGY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been here before, he tried to open a casino with one of the Maori tribes. He's also a big fan of our golf courses and golf players.
CMD_RN ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:20:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if he has never taken the time to enjoy all that wealth. What a said eulogy that would be.
nblackhand ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:25:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's pretty common among more-or-less-self-made wealthy people (e.g. lawyers, doctors, CEOs), but much less so among people who are wealthy by inheritance? So I'd expect it to be more being busy doing other expensive leisure activities than busy always working, with Trump.
TearShitDown ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:49:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump didnt inherit the bulk of his wealth. Whether he had a significant headstart or not (1 million dollar business loan as far as business loans are concerned isnt exactly jaw dropping), he did work for what he has.
jamintime ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:36:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forget all the money stuff, he definitely wasn't born with the fame. He certainly seems like he's worked his ass off to make a name for himself. Work ethic is not what I'm worried about in his Presidency.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:00:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't a million bucks in the 70s worth a lot more?
Also you can be born with a silver spoon even if you don't get an inheritance. His dad was still fucking rich.
N0ahface ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:30:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes he was given a small loan of a million dollars, but considering he is worth ~10 billion now that's a 10000x increase.
beepbloopbloop ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:23:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump inherited about $40 million of equity that he's turned into about 4 billion. Very impressive but he had a lot to work with.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:22:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry didn't mean to imply the loan was a bulk of his wealth
McAwesomeBoss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He inherited at the very least $9million (court records show him borrowing this amount from the trust left to him) and all evidence points towards low estimates of $30m to $100m. This doesn't include his father consigning a $70m loan for him.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:45:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When his father died he was already super rich though.
TearShitDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless, with 100m I could not accomplish what Trump has accomplished.
waiv ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:39:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was way more than one million loan.
Bad_doughnut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Citation needed.
McAwesomeBoss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:14:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/
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fake news
ballrus_walsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:14 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did inherit $300 million from his father after he died. The $1 million loan was to get him started. Also there's the small matter of the $3million in chips his dad bought from a trump casino in trouble. State gambling authorities called it an illegal loan and they got fined.
TearShitDown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:41 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasnt he already pretty rich when his father passed?
ballrus_walsack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:32 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even someone who is pretty rich gets a boost from +$300million coming in.
TearShitDown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:06 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but he was already a billionaire when his father passed
Ace1999 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And probably earthquakes.
parkerSquare ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:13:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And floods. And tornadoes. And Auckland.
Z0bie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess time isn't money after all.
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MC_Mooch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean shit posts don't post themselves!
AHrubik ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:46:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Billionaires make time for what they want. That's what having a billion dollars allows you to do.
nblackhand ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 21:54:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine lying on the couch and saying "man, I really want a taco", but then not actually getting up and going to Taco Bell even though you can totally afford it because you just can't be bothered, so you spend a couple hours watching Netflix and playing with your phone, and later when you finally get up it's too late and the Taco Bell is closed. In this sense you have failed to get tacos because you were busy doing something else, not because you didn't want them, even though the "something else" was itself a leisure activity that you didn't even really want that much.
Humans: They suck at stuff.
Tommy2255 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:53:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this metaphor, the tacos represent a luxury vacation on the other side of the planet, and the couch is the penthouse of your giant tower. Being rich kicks ass.
cuntweiner ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:19:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is perfect.
SexualPie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:49:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you dont make yourself a billionaire by wasting money and traveling all willy nilly
AHrubik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HA! Well let's just say billionaires have enough money that the occasional trip doesn't impact their portfolio in any meaningful way.
MegaAlex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've known a few people that are retired and they are always busy doing something, traveling or working on the yard and whatnot. But when they where working they always had free time with the kids. It should be the other way around.
excaliburxvii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just making conversation.
IAmTheNight2014 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:53:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Winning the presidency probably ruined that chance - unless, however, a relief effort begins there, of course.
mulduvar2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:44:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When your time is worthless it's easy to plan a trip to New Zealand. You just need to make sure you save up 4x what you make in a week. When you make millions a week and that shit is fluid as fuck its hard to save, let alone step away from managing that.
Sadly he's not even planning on any vacations when he takes office.
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GarrukTak ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:08:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he doesn't really want to go but it's just a nice thing to say when you don't give a fuck about New Zealand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:44 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New Zealand actually looks really beautiful so it wouldnt surprise me if he actually wanted to go there
GarrukTak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:39 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not arguing with that. Looks gorgeous. I'm just saying if he really wanted to go Donald Trump can fucking go to New Zealand.
sensitiveinfomax ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:50:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gardens are illegal
TastyFace ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:12:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I've always wanted to" doesn't specify the magnitude of the desire.
I've always wanted to have a job that involves scuba diving, but I have a far greater desire for a good paying job where I can't die in an industrial accident.
Hidesuru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not with THAT attitude you can't.
TastyFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...yes?
That's exactly what I'm saying. If you want x for no reason, and you want y for several reasons, and you can only pick one, then the logical choice is y. Someone else mentioned time pressure, which is a perfectly good reason to exclude a desired - but - not - that - desired - option.
Hidesuru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was just meant to be a joke on the "can't die in an industrial accident" part of your post. Sorry if it didn't come across well.
TastyFace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'd love to see someone figure out how to kill themselves in my white-collar office by accident. It'd pretty much have to be a really unfortunate fall with a head injury. There's only three workers including the owner, so you'd have a good shot if you stay late on a Friday during the slow season and then cause yourself a brain bleed somehow. But I'm pretty sure you can't kill yourself at my current job unless there's a traffic accident on the way to an offsite client meeting. Or you choke on lunch. I'm not sure either would count as an industrial accident, though.
EternalAssasin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:50:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got a lot of money, but that doesn't necessarily mean he has no responsibilities and a ton of time to take a trip like that.
Nuclear_Tornado ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Donald Trump has been to New Zealand since then.
Trot_Sky_Lives ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Death threats?
dopestloser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Immigration hopefully
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Oh god, that's terrible to hear
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Ikinoki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 40 hours going there from where i live. It's the fastest way!!!
Drunken_Economist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wanted to fly there in Air Force One
jscoppe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He would start to run out of small talk material.
Soddington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cant fly to New Zealand and then be back in New York by bedtime.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might have said that just as a pleasantry so as to not be braggadocios.
fergious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I swear that's all any american can say about New Zealand. "Always wanted to go there" ... ok
mattluttrell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know some very wealthy people that will not travel to certain countries because they believe medical facilities and talent aren't able to support their medical conditions.
Example one might not go to South America because his wife has an unusual disease that requires specialized support.
So this is just one example of many.
ShavedYak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did eventually. He came to try to build a casino in the early '90's.
zamardii12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work
wyvernwy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might be onto something.
Blood_Fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This could be back when he was in debt and declaring bankruptcy (one of the times at least...). He might've gone since then.
Talyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not fore sale.
phargle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Brandywine bridge is 20 miles away.
Jacosion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The New Zealanders.
Eddie_Hitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's struggling to get a flight?
notabrahamlincoln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New Zealand's super secret patent pending Billionaire-Away Energy Shield. It protects the country from any billionaires, no matter how fancy their private jets are. This is completely true 100% please believe me.
jackmusick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The alternative would be for him to brag about having already gone and all the cool places he bought when he went there. It's actually a decent show of character for someone of his status.
What the hell am I doing in this thread defending Trump... Out I go.
fakesocialiser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because there is no money in our golf courses. Most of them you can just rock up to, pay $20 ($50 including club hire) and they're pretty good and well maintained.
There are a few fancy expensive ones that are more about being seen in the clubhouse than the actual golf, but yeah.
swagger-hound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing. He's just making small talk with a kid
Bugsmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called small talk
Glicked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the same reason you always wanna go to that new local fast food restaurant but it's weird and doesn't have a drive-through. So you always say you will go, but then you don't because you're too lazy to park and go inside. Next thing you know, a kid tells you his family owns it and you want to make the kid feel good. Therefore, you lie and tell the little tike you love that restaurant. Best in town!!
nadroj19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same reason why a lot of people don't do a lot of things, probably just never got around to it. Obviously money wouldn't be a constraint for him but there are plenty of other reasons why he couldn't make it to one particular county I'm sure.
Gimmil_walruslord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He actually has the One Ring and if he went to New Zealand then Surron would sense it's presents.
Saviordd1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing stopping me from going to the new comic store across town.
Time and laziness.
galacticboy2009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could technically go yourself, if you chose to save your money to do it.
I mean who wouldn't want to go?
It's pretty.
npepin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There could be many reasons, but a very simple answer is that Donald Trump was doing basic smalltalk. People sometimes will try to be polite by speaking positively of where someone comes from.
George probably doesn't actually want to visit there, but is making polite conversation. The places George says he wants to go are simply places that he wouldn't mind visiting if he had unlimited time and resources.
Now if this conversation happens
Notice that in this example George doesn't express any desire to go to Somalia because by doing so it won't give Tom any chance to talk about how nice it is. Instead, it will likely force Tom into saying how George doesn't actually want to go there and them Tom will be in a position to list off the reasons why where he comes from isn't really the best place.
The places George doesn't really comment on are simply places that he wouldn't visit even if he had unlimited time and resources.
ericrs22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle-Earth
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's in his mid 70's and just worked more this year than you will ever in 2 years combined. You don't get rich by being lazy and checking off your bucket list.
Suburbanturnip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orcs
Tricky_Troll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Earthquakes.
ModernPoultry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Airfare costs lol
Metiri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its called talking to a kid and trying to be nice to them
thisisallme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, work?
SimplyCapital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Running a multi-billion dollar real estate empire or something.
deltarefund ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's just something you say to be nice.
Average-Nobody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, maybe he was just trying to make small talk with the kid and make him feel proud of his heritage!
trilliam_clinton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's probably been to New Zealand, but it's a common tactic to get new people you just met to open up to you.
ABSOLUTE_IDEOLOGY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on when this story took place, it could be false.
Donald Trump has been to New Zealand before, he wanted to open a casino in conjunction with one of the Maori tribes. I've seen the footage of him arriving here and an interview with one of our few TV channels.
MasteroftheHallows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely just being polite
JManRomania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hobbitses
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He visited here about 20 years back to lobby for a casino.
coatrack68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interest...
Dirtylittlesecret88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind this is when op was a kid which could be any kind of time ago. Trump has probably been there and back hundred of times now. Also Who's to say it wasn't just small talk he had with op and he's not really all that interested in going to New Zealand.
hateitorleaveit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
small talk to make a kid feel important
BrosenkranzKeef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he has been to New Zealand, but since the kid was a kid he wanted to make the kid feel like he was from a special place that other people would like to see.
I mean, he could have said, "Oh yeah, I've been there, I saw a lot of sheep." He could've said that. Instead, he suggested to OP that New Zealand is a cool place worth visiting. It's just small talk, don't think too hard about it. Wealthy people are good at inoffensive small talk. It's a great way to open up opportunities.
CapnJustin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It think he was just making conversation. If it truly was his desire to go to new Zealand nothing would stop him.
BRUTALLEEHONEST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:17:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's American
Sewer-Urchin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always wonder about that...it seems like AMA's with major stars often have them saying "I've always wanted to visit ____".
I read that and think: you make 10 million dollars a movie and you can't find a few weeks to go to Europe or Africa or wherever?
Hanshee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's stopping someone with a car from driving across the country?
nnnnnnnnnnmnnnnnnnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:16 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh some people never get around to things
Spider_pig448 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would guess he doesn't actually care about New Zealand, it was just an easy response.
Riff-Ref ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The correct answer is spiders.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that would be the incorrect answer.
Shitmybad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New Zealand has no harmful spiders.
Riff-Ref ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheep then.
Remount_Kings_Troop_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is stopping a billionaire from buying New Zealand?
funkmastamatt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:31:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, you fucking kids have no concept of money do you? A Billionaire can buy ANYTHING!!!
New Zealand's GDP is ~$200 Billion.
neverducky ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i doubt he actually meant that
HughJaenis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? Who would want to go to new zealand
bobdaktari ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's been to New Zealand in the late 80s or early 90s - seems his knowledge of our country is mainly confined to bob Charles a kiwi golfer
We still have a annual trump day in celebration of his visit.
Luftwaffle88 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. Thats like the farmer from a North Korea documentary that reveres a chair because Kim Jong Un touched it once when he came to visit.
bobdaktari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
like a North korean farmer you'll find us kiwis are simple folk
We have Tom Cruise month celebrating when that god came and filmed here.... its awesome we all dress up as samurai are eat buttered scones
I won't even start on how a royal tour (we're a commonwealth nation thus the Queen of England is our head of state) down here plays out...
im-the-stig ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:12:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing interesting to buy. Or new Zealand would allow casinos.
deathgripsaresoft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He went to New Zealand a couple of decades ago to try start a casino.
somegridplayer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:07:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not actually wanting to go to New Zealand and just making small talk.
captive-democracy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:33:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a DT fan, but he is making small talk. Just because people say it doesn't mean it is true.
Luftwaffle88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that. It just sounds disingenuous coming from a billionaire.
captive-democracy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hated reading these because I want to dislike DT. The fact he even bothered is not how the Dems want to paint him.
Luftwaffle88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dems have not painted him. HE HAS.
captive-democracy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, OK. life long Dem here. Left of most Dems. Wishing the world could be as civilized as some of those northern EU countries. But, the media jumped only the Hillary wagon and never looked back. And Hillary ended up as the 'empress with no clothes'. Rich people on have one vote. Regardless, he isn't qualified for POTUS. And now the country has to go through the DTs barring an electorial college miracle, or heart attack.
edit: a word because of mulit tasking
[deleted] ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 18:11:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 18:30:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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kalpol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever seen a Samoan 14-year-old?
pics-or-didnt-happen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:37:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of person takes this lovely story about the President Elect and turns it into a vicious attack?
Oh right, "LIBERALS".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vicious?
ur2fat4u ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he was joking, relax dude.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relax?
ur2fat4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao why you mad dude?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mad?
RECOGNI7E ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
relax
verb
1. make or become less tense or anxious.
"he relaxed and smiled confidently"
mad
adjective
1. mentally ill; insane.
"he felt as if he were going mad"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Verb?
RECOGNI7E ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
verb
1. a word used to describe an action, state, or occurrence, and forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence, such as hear, become, happen.
RECOGNI7E ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
predยทiยทcate
1. the part of a sentence or clause containing a verb and stating something about the subject (e.g., went home in John went home ).
RECOGNI7E ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a joke. Don't be so sensitive. I am liberal yes because I think change is good. Trump will not be bad for most things from my perspective. But he is a step backwards when it comes to health care, civil rights and the environment. Which kinda sucks, but we will see how things play out.
His comment about how big his hands and you know what was so hilarious it will not die easily.
VriskyS ยท 1029 points ยท Posted at 18:29:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not gonna lie, I feel like he might actually be a pretty good president with his sudden shift in ideals. I can understand a lot of his ideas, but the way he presents them, along with lack of a political background, looks pretty bad...
blalien ยท 1780 points ยท Posted at 19:06:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I had some secret hope that when Trump took office it would turn out he was actually a very reasonable guy. Those hopes vanished when he hired Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.
EDIT: A lot of people are asking me what is so bad about Steve Bannon. Here is a NY Times article that summarizes his views. You can come to your own conclusion. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/politics/stephen-bannon-breitbart-words.html
EDIT 2: Guys, just saying that the NY Times is biased is not going to convince anybody of anything. The NY Times is a respected publication that does not let their personal opinion get in the way of facts. And the article I linked? It's literally just a list of things Bannon has said and that Breitbart has said under Bannon's leadership. Either rebut the content of the article or admit that you have nothing.
EDIT 3: You guys crack me up.
jrainiersea ยท 492 points ยท Posted at 20:49:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was never particularly optimistic about the Trump Presidency, but I understood why others might be, but the Bannon pick has killed that. You can't have a guy like that in the White House, period.
TheOneRing_ ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 21:05:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For those out of the loop, who is Steve Bannon and why does it matter?
jman12234 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 21:09:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Bannon was the ceo of Breitbart news and a prominent supporter of alt-right politics. He's not a very nice guy.
You can really just google all the things he said, but there's been some pretty misogynystic and antisemitic things. He's been appointed as the chief advisor to Trump.
TheOneRing_ ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 21:18:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've tried this but I can't find anything anywhere, just people saying he's a bad guy and no examples why.
bbctol ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 22:30:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So: this is definitely a complicated situation, and there are a lot of people immediately throwing around labels like "anti-semite" and "white supremacist" that there isn't much hard evidence for. The modern white nationalist movement is complex, and Bannon is good at plausible deniability and not saying much about his positions. Here's why I'm deeply concerned:
He has said that Breitbart under his leadership was a "platform for the alt-right." "Alt-right" is a hard movement to define, but it definitely seems fair to use the description published on Breitbart. This portrays them in as positive a light as you'll ever see, and still acknowledges that the term was coined by open white nationalist Richard B. Spencer, that they believe "culture is inseparable from race," that they want to "build homogeneous communities," and that they are against immigration, even legal immigration which improves the economy, to preserve their "own tribe and its culture." Stephen Bannon says very little publicly, but if we can infer his views from his actions: he controls a website, he claims the website is a platform for the alt-right, and the website defines the alt-right under clearly racial nationalist terms. You won't find any one quote from Bannon where he says he's a white nationalist, but in that context, it really isn't a stretch; see this interview with Trump, where in response to Trump's claim that a lot of smart immigrants are good for the country, he says โwhen two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think .โ.โ. โ then trails off, and switches to โA country is more than an economy. Weโre a civic society.โ Which is a very clear echo of the definition of alt-right published on his website, that a country is more than an economy, it must be a unified race and culture.
You don't have to take it from me, either: there are plenty of former Breitbart staffers from before Bannon's takeover who understand that he's a propagandist for racist causes. These are not politically correct, far-left people; Breitbart was always an inflammatory publication. Former writer Ben Shapiro wrote in the decidedly conservative Daily Wire that "under Bannonโs leadership, Breitbart openly embraced the white supremacist alt-right," while former spokesman Kurt Bardella has said Breitbart is no better than state-run propaganda and "everyone should be terrified" of Bannon in the White House, and other staffers are leaving with similar concerns. There's a difference between being politically incorrect and being manipulative, propagandist, and covertly racist, and a lot of politically incorrect people believe Bannon is the latter.
TheOneRing_ ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:36:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, shit. That convinced me. If he's openly stating that his publication is tied to something that that website also says is linked to negative race and identity politics, he definitely doesn't seem like someone I want in or close to a position of power.
Thank you for putting the time into writing all of this out.
bbctol ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:50:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to read it. I think this is an issue it's essential to get correct now, and I believe the Republicans are trying to distract people into focusing on specific terms to avoid seeing the bigger picture. There isn't a ton of evidence that Bannon is a fierce anti-semite, and I'm worried that focusing entirely on that term is a trap. Let me know if you'd like the raw text to paste, or a link to a version of the post on Medium; there's a lot of misinformation flying around, and I really think an accurate argument should be spread as widely as possible.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every day I wake up to listen to last night's news and this morning's podcasts, and I cringe every time the journalists just let the Bannon thing slide. They state that "some people" are saying he might be racist, and someone chimes in they they've talked to people that know Bannon personally, and they think he's a nice guy.
Well, yeah, people that voluntarily spend time around someone usually do think they are a nice guy. Heck, the best source we have for Bannon not being a racist himself is a Hasidic Jew who says he never had a problem with Bannon over religion, but that the guy was still a grade A prick. People also point out him hiring a gay conservative, but that always seems like they're changing the topic, since last I checked who you have sex with has nothing to do with your race.
satinsartre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you PM me the links too?
zimboombah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:30:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All these things. What's even more concerning is that his vision for what America should be like is crystal clear. Moreso than any Presidential nominee over the election cylce, he brings focus to the issues that ail America with a clarity and conciseness that I didn't see from any of the presidential candidates. Check out these two videos from 2011 and 2016.
So he's a ringer - that's all well and good. But the combination of such strong political will with this strategy of stirring anger through white nationalism is daunting. He understands the problem but he sees agitation and terrible times ahead as the only solution.
satinsartre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious to whether there had been a "solution" in history that did not involve "terrible times" actually. I was somehow convinced that people find comfort in adhering to what's familiar, thus reluctant to reform?
zimboombah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I guess it's like animals having to die or suffer when resources in a habitat get scarce or out of whack. Nobody wants to be the loser.
satinsartre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that. But I meant along the lines of revolution? They've always turned out for the better, it would seem. Our grandparents had to endure a lot but we, their descendants, can enjoy it.
zimboombah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. But is a revolution that seeks to further marginalize already at-risk groups one worth fighting? When the Muslims are all registered; Latino communities traumatized; and black people's place is where it was 60 years ago, whose America will it be?
dalek_cyber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:28 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guilded for being informative and referencing multiple sources. Honestly, great write up, thanks for that
Category3Water ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 21:52:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, you can also find an article on Breitbart to counter every one of the claims about Bannon, but since he's the CEO (and because the writing quality at that site is shit) take that with a grain of salt. Salon has an article that highlights things they disagree with, but objectively, those articles they mention might be in bad taste, but don't necessarily stack up to anti-Semitism. Through of course, other have different opinions. Breitbart also gets some flack from certain gay groups because of Milo Yoeverybodymynamesreallygreek and the things he writes for them. I don't think he's a great writer (at fucking all), but I'm not about to "boy" a gay guy and call him homophobic just because his views aren't mainstream. His views are a little too close to the party line for me to act like he's not a full of shit salesman though. But that's just my opinion, you may have a different one.
My problem with Bannon was hearing Trump and conservatives rant on how "biased" the liberal media is and then when the man gets elected, he appoints the CEO of an incredibly biased media source as his top advisor, while the whole time also having had Roger Ailes (founder of foxnews recently fired for grabbing pussies that didn't want to be grabbed) as one of his campaign advisors. It was all such utter horseshit and then he proves it by putting biased media in a top position in govt.
Bannon was also quoted in his divorce proceedings as saying something about his daughter's school having too many Jews and that's reason he didn't want her to go there. The anti-Semitism is what people will rail on, really. The Anti-Defamation League called Bannon an anti-Semite, but a prominent Jewish group took up for him. Though, that might be about politics since the Republicans have traditionally been very pro-Israel and that is one of the big concerns for that group, so who knows? I think it's fucking infuriating that he complained about the biased media while literally employing the biased media. The only difference of course being that one was biased toward him. But who knows what the man actually feels in his heart. We'll have to wait and see. I can't imagine he'll do anything bad to Jews domestically and I can't see a republican president messing with Israel, but I couldn't imagine an obnoxious Yankee sweeping the South, so maybe my imagination is just shit.
TheOneRing_ ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:02:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for giving a detailed answer instead of just saying "He hasn't done anything wrong" or "He's done bad stuff. Look it up." I really appreciate that.
I can agree that his appointment is hypocritical. Bias is bias, no matter where it's from but I honestly think he was chosen because Trump knew he had lost the liberal vote and he knew this guy knew how to attract the attention of the people he wanted to vote. I don't think his bias alone means we should suddenly be pessimistic about how he's going to do his job as a counselor. That honestly just seems like "repayment" for getting Trump elected than anything else. I think we should still wait and see how everything plays out before we start decrying the man.
Category3Water ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:57:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Hillary Clinton had hired John Stewart (and let's assume he was still doing the daily show to make this metaphor better) as a campaign advisor and then after she got elected with his help, gave him a position in his cabinet, what would you think of that? I don't mean that to be a rhetorical question. Personally, I think it would piss me off becasue as you said, bias is bias and media personalities shouldn't be considered qualified as politicians. Owners of multiple mainstream media outlets may have donated to Clinton, but she wasn't going to give the CEO of CNN a cabinet position. It's one thing when the media is biased, it's a completely different issue when the media actually has power in government. But as you said, if the man does a good job, then the man does a good job. I think his appointment encapsulates many of the things that I don't like about trump as a politician, but we'll see. None of us can see the future.
TheOneRing_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:00:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Stewart might be a bad choice because we have decades of interviews with him that show that he's a good person who genuinely cares about the country but I'll pretend it's just someone like Bannon on the other side of the politcal spectrum and I think I'd feel the same way. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt to see how well they do before we blame their political beliefs for their poor job.
Category3Water ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:16:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair, and I don't disagree with that sentiment, but that's not what im asking really. I'm asking you if a news anchor (and a fake news anchor at that) should be qualified to hold public office. To me, you shouldn't use a place in the media to put yourself in politics. The way I feel the media's relationship with Americans should be would make that sort of thing like a teacher fucking their student.
But I'm also ok reassessing my values when a new situation or new information comes along. If he's a good man for the job, then maybe I'm wrong. I just don't think he's good for the job and then on top that I think what I do about the media. So yeah, Stewart was a bad example in that way.
antihero17 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:07:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The follow-up issue to that is that Donald Trump campaigned on making real, positive change in Washington. His cabinet isn't displaying that ideal which he campaigned on, nor does any change that will come about look positive at this point.
Stennick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't vote for Donald at any stage of the process and never supported him from the onset. In fact even before this I never cared for Donald. That being said I don't understand why everyone is already concluding how horrible he will be. Shouldn't we atleast wait until he's actually in office and actually does something bad before we start bitching? I didn't pay attention to the net at the time but if everone was bitching about Obama's appointiees for any reason before he ever got in there I would have been upset. I supported him and would have wanted him to get a fair shot. Yet everyone feels compelled to crucify Donald before he's ever had the chance to do anything. Is there no such thing as a wait and see approach anymore? Things look bad so that means they WILL be bad?
antihero17 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:59:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was open to a wait-and-see approach, but his transitional cabinet member choices are him taking action as President, whether you like to see it that way or not. Those people will define what action he takes in those sectors, and the choices he has made are concerning. There are many articles that will inform you about the individuals he has chosen for those positions and their background if you care to look. I couldn't vote when Obama was first elected and was not terribly politically conscious because of that, but I would consider his cabinet appointees to be indicative of where he intends to go on those issues, as I do for Trump here.
Stennick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats fine that you see it as him taking action but those appointees haven't DONE anything yet. There is no indication how much or how little impact they will have or what they will do in those roles. You can speculate and even if you don't like these people its not out of the realm of chance they do something differently in their new role.
I will take the wait and see approach. When he is in office when these people that are evil are taking our abortions and gay rights away or whatever else they are supposed to be doing. When those things happen I'll gladly stand up and say "Trump is fucking horrible". However to me so far this is zero difference to "Obama is going to make the US muslim" or "he's taking our guns away" or whatever other non sense. Its all silly hand ringing until they get into office. You can certainly not like his appointments and you can certainly think they aren't good people however to already declare things as bad before anything has changed seems silly to me. Thats exactly what they did with Obama. He's taking our guns, he's a socialist, he's going to make us Muslim, he hates our police whatever other non sense was out there. You might think your claims are more valid than theirs just as they think their claims are more valid than yours.
Thats why I'll wait and see just like I waited to see if he'll take our guns away or if we would all be forced to be Muslim. I'll wait and see what he does with Roe vs. Wade or Gay Marriage or Foreign relations. And when actions take place that aren't good I'll stand up and speak my mine. However I won't sit here and start deciding exactly how the next four years will play out before he's ever sworn into office. If I remember correctly there were quite a few people the right didn't like in Obama's camp and they too said that this was indications of rights violations and other matters that would happen....that never happened.
Rogscope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you were to take a bet... would you take that bet? I wouldn't. Because expecting a person to do a 180 on their beliefs and ideas is fucking crazy and you have to be an idiot to believe them.
fishyfunlife95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whos beliefs are you refering to?
antihero17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that is quite different, because Obama is not Muslim, nor did he campaign on taking everyone's guns away or appoint someone who had previously been employed in a capacity which sought to end the Second Amendment. Accordingly, your comparison is not apt at all.
On the other hand, Trump has appointed a climate change denier to head his Environmental arm. He is the head of an organization that specializes in denying climate change. To expect him to suddenly have a change of heart as part of the cabinet is delusional, in my opinion. Past conduct is evidence of future conduct in many instances, and I consider that to be one of those instances. His immigration head is a person who wrote legislation that was found unconstitutional in several states. Do you think he will have a change of heart? There is being hopeful, and there is being willfully blind. I hope all of these individuals see the light, so to speak, but considering they have spent their careers fighting towards these goals, it would be incredibly odd for them to have a complete shift now that they are in government and best able to effect the change that they have made their life's work.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A common negotiating tactic is to ask for the impossible, and then draw down from there. If he's appointing the absurd, he may be shifting the rhetoric and argument, such that when the inevitable pushback happens, practically ANYONE ELSE looks reasonable.
There will be a LOT of turnover in this presidency, if I were to bet.
fishyfunlife95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id bet you're entirely right. Trumps a business man, he's playing the game as he has for years. Start high, meet in the middle. He's making a deal essentially and he knows it.
Stennick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So a few things. Do we have any other choice but to be aware and yet patient with this process? Until one of these guys actually DOES something unconstitutional or whatever the major gripe would be we have no choice but to wait. Declaring this a lost Presidency, or Trump to be a horrible leader or whatever else based on the men he's hired previous actions is some Minority Report stuff. If I speed on local roads and get busted, if I then speed on high ways and get busted that doesn't mean I can get busted on the interstate before I start speeding. Just as I waited for Obama to be a socialist or make us all Muslim or take away our guns. Its not always about what they campaign on. In fact Obama had a few people he involved himself with that weren't nice people. Some were even cabinet members hell look no further than Clinton who was involved in just as many scandals even scandals against Obama (helping along the birther movement among others). Yet it would have been wrong to declare him a liar about change while including her in his cabinet before he took office.
The second thing here is that unless I'm missing something these men support the same views Trump campaigned on. Overturning Roe vs. Wade, cracking down on immigration by any means possible, he denied climate change and even placed blame on vaccines for a number of issues. So if he's putting men in his cabinent that support these views isn't that what he's supposed to be doing? Was he supposed to "drain the swamp"? Sure I guess. However maybe he feels like he is. Maybe he feels like the people in there now don't support his views or didn't get his views done so he's going to get rid of them and replace them with "his guys" who will support what he campaigned and elected on.
antihero17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't think I said that I consider this "a lost Presidency" or anything of that sort. And again, your Obama comparison fails as he campaigned on NONE OF THOSE THINGS. This isn't some conspiracy, unproven BS, these are factual statements about his positions and his appointees that cause me concern. I believe these 4 years can be positive, and i hope they are. However, I am going to be realistic with how reality looks now, and it isn't good.
Also, as to Clinton, I'm not sure what views she represented that concerned you at that time, but I am open to hearing them.
Stennick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was never saying that you specifically said this but its certainly the majority sentiment around here. Again though Trump did campaign on issues that are similar to those of his cabinet. Most of the issues like climate change denial, like overturning Roe vs. Wade and like other issues. They were all issues he campaigned for and he was elected. So how is it wrong of him to appoint people that support and would grow the issues he campaigned on? The only big things I've heard is that he MIGHT a huge might keep parts of Obamacare and that he's not "draining the swamp". However by and large the people he's appointing are the exact kind of views he campaigned and won on so I'm confused was he supposed to put people in there that didn't reflect the views he had and campaigned for?
As for Hillary. Obama campaigned on Hope and Change. Essentially Obama had the same campaign as both Trump and Sanders as far as message goes. Going to Washington as an outsider and changing the way this country works from the inside out. He then appoints Clinton. Who couldn't be more "establishment" not that I think that was much of a term back then.
As far as other reasons I didn't like the Clinton appointment some of which had to do with Bill which whether she likes it or not is certainly tied to. The IRS scandal where it just happened Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Bill O'Reilly, Juanita Broaddrick and others were all audited by the IRS during his stay in the White House. Then of course there was the fact that she said that women claiming to be sexually harassed by Bill were all part of a political scheme. Then there was the looting of the White House with hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage. Renting out the Lincoln Bedroom among other things they did for fundraising. These were just some of my concerns. Calling what was it black men "super predators" was another. She was a less than honest person, she was at the very least a scandalous person and supposed to be exactly what Obama wanted to get away FROM not select for one of the highest seats in his administration.
antihero17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we need some clarification here.
First, my complaint of his policy positions, of which I know I disagree with, is separate from him not keeping his promise of "draining the swamp." I think that at this point we have gotten a bit convoluted. My opinions are (1) his policy positions he campaigned upon are regressive and damaging to our country and its future and (2) his promise to not act as a Washington Insider President has been broken.
Second, Obama did not campaign as an outsider, I think your memory here is faulty. He was a senator before being President. He was no stranger to Washington nor did I see his campaign as focusing on being an "outsider" as you put it. I think he campaigned on bringing change through the normal processes in Washington.
In this final point I feel we are again lost. Clinton (or her husband's) indiscretions are entirely separate from her policy positions. I don't care if Donald's head of Immigration or EPA kicked their dog, beat their wife, etc. that isn't informing my view at this point. What I am focused on is what they stand for policy-wise and that is what represents what they will do in their administrative capacity. You failed to cite any policy position of Clinton's that concerned you.
TheOneRing_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is how things have been at least as far back as 2000.
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Earlier, actually, as a concerted policy started by Newt Gingrich (that spectacularly blew up in his face).
Politics used to be about insulting your opponent while simultaneously saying good things about him. The old "the distinguished gentleman from" and "my old friend so-and-so" were used when having a open disagreement with the other side.
...and now Gingrich is back front and center as one of Trump's top staff.
TheOneRing_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think his appointments absolutely reflect the kind of change he was going for. From what I've heard, he's assigning people who are on the "crazy" end of conservative, including a man who also hasn't held any political office and is only known for being a good surgeon and being kind of insane with his beliefs.
It's not a positive change but it is a change.
antihero17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, he also appointed the head of the RNC and is considering career politicians, neither of which quite match up with his whole ideal of "draining the swamp."
ananioperim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's confusing.. Trump's first appointment is a man whose mission in life is to tear down the establishment (Bannon), a political hitman if you will, but simultaneously he appoints the establishment chair of the RNC and Pence as VP. It's a managerial style. You sure as hell don't want to create an echo chamber of yes-men as POTUS. You want a chamber where one advisor will disagree with the other one on a consistent basis.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The surgeon politely declined by saying he didn't have the qualifications to serve in the position offered to him.
ShillinTheVillain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:36:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carson declined the position, but your larger point still stands.
geboober ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure he isolated all the lobbyists and fired them from his transition team.
Blobbybluebland ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:57:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just fired all the lobbyists in the transition team that Christie tried to bring onboard....so....that's pretty good for me.
Hazelstone37 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:49:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think his extreme bias is exactly why he shouldn't be an advisor.
DrenDran ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:32:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps it's one thing for CNN to claim to be balanced and be a major news network and another thing to have a minor news site that never claimed to be neutral to have a bias.
Category3Water ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CNN's biggest problem to me is how they rely so much on pundits and their commentary rather than reporting the news. And even that can work, but it seems every pundit is either a member of one of the major parties or someone hawking a partisan book or show. CNN is a whore to me. Whores are biased towards eyeballs. Also, not everything is "breaking news." They've completely ruined that phrase for me. CNN also has demographic problems. They can't get the old folks market and they can't quite get the liberal or conservative market, so they just go for the twitter market. But the youth doesn't watch cable so they end up getting middle-aged people on treadmills or electronics stores as a viewership. In other words, I don't think CNN is as biased as a lot of people claim, but I also don't think they're worth much of a damn. I don't mind ABC and NBC as much, though they aren't exactly breaking ground.
I wouldn't call Breitbart small though. However, that can be debated. It's the principle that bothers me most. It wasn't that he hated biased media. He hated biased media against him. He has no problem with bullshit if it caters to him. That's the part that bothers me.
florida_woman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:36:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I withdrew my daughters from a private school because everyone was white, middle class, conservative and Christian. We happen to be all of those things, but I didn't want my children growing up thinking that the world is white. And middle class. And conservative. And Christian. It doesn't mean that I am anti any of these things. It just means that I want them to have diversity and be tolerant and loving towards people who aren't exactly like them.
AverageInternetUser ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:39:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh the whole biased shit really gets to me. In his perspective, it's the MSM as a whole. Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS the whole lot of them are in cahoots together. (I say fox because although they're not "as biased to Dems" I think they're controlled opposition.) He may think he has to combat that. It turns into MSM vs alt media, which this election cycle turned into D vs R and leaves us where we are.
Category3Water ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:09:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying, but breitbart isn't some nobody. It's not "alternative." It's foxnews for millenials with just enough contrarianism conspiracy theories thrown in to sate the snowflake crowd. But even if I agreed with e content of their articles, it's still subpar blogging and the only reason it gets the attention it does is becasue it slings a bunch of bullshit. It's like salon, except at least salon hires biased writers instead of biased entrepreneurs.
I think the mainstream media was much more important and less "biased" (as someone who grew up in a foxnews household, I don't know how you can act like Fox is in the same league as the others when it comes to bias, but that's not what this discussion is about) before the Internet. The rise of internet media meant smaller, more selective viewerships for online outlets than existed for print of television outlets. It didn't make sense to cast a wide net anymore because your readership was so small. So you just do the stories your commenters want to hear instead of doing actual news. In the beginning, it didn't matter, it was small potatoes compared to the MSM. But once the internet media became much easier to monetize, sites like that started popping up everywhere. We already had the mainstream media, so the internet was for more personal media. But now that personally tailored media is mainstream and all the news networks have to struggle to keep up. Personally, what the entire media debate says to me is that people don't like to be challenged; they like to be safe and agreed with, no matter what side they're on.
satinsartre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:38:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with this. People go out of their way to find evidence and sources that would support their claims; practicing selective hearing, reading and the sort.
It does bother me how most people dont catch on though. I've noticed that the thought is still subconscious to the general public, which may be why most misinformation still occurs, despite the ease and availability in gaining information nowadays.
AverageInternetUser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the view you have on media evolution. But when I reference MSM I guess I'm generally talking about "established" brands along with broadcast/TV channels. The centralization of these sources of media through acquisitions by a few wealthy investors probably played more into where we are verses the online landscape. This is in effect with multiple laws changed under Clinton and Obama about the media. (I'm sorry vague and general, don't want to work this hard after work)
Tbh it's just very complicated and tough to point to what went wrong. But the fact of the matter is it's us versus them all over the place. The media is the largest proponent of this.
Category3Water ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The word you're looking for is conglomeration and it's the same reason we have so many sequels, remakes and movies based off of books nowadays. However, conglomeration was allowed to take place because of the free market and the global marketplace.
One of the driving forces of the recent polarization of news (and curiously this coincides with the rise of foxnews) was the 1996 Telecommunications act which allowed media cross-ownership and the simultaneous ownership of similar media in different markets. As someone who works in movies, it's something I'm concerned about too. That being said, this act is the reason conservative talk radio dominates the way it does and it's the reason that "Hollywood elites" are unabashedly being liberal. There used to actually be "equal time" requirements for the first 50 years of American mass media and in that environment, this media polarization would not have been allowed. (There were always biased newsletters like commie papers or Klan rags, but they were not exactly mainstream; well, maybe the klan rags in a few areas, but it wasn't on tv or radio).
So we agree about conglomeration being scary, but I disagree that this polarization has equally affected both sides. FoxNews owes everything to this act and so does Rush Limbaugh (he worked before, but his popularity coincided with this act and his general dissent against Clinton. I mean, for gods sake, the republicans made him an honorary member in the republican caucus).
I also feel it is worth mentioning that although Bill Clinton signed this into law, it was proposed and passed by a republican majority in both houses and Bill Clinton wasn't a fucking coward and would actually work with the other side instead of acting like pouting kindergarteners. Sorry, that last bit wasn't necessary. I'm a bitter former republican, so I just have a few issues to work out with the current regime.
Honestly though, I don't know if this all the medias fault. Blaming the media is like blaming god. Ultimately, it's the people who let this happen to themselves. But, to be fair, what are we supposed to do?
AverageInternetUser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what are we supposed to do is correct, good convo
Apersonofinterest666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Milo Yoeverybodymynamesreallygreek! Haha
khem1st47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo basically he isn't anything that everyone is attempting to label him as, but he runs a biased news outlet?
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like, tried really hard (and kinda succeeded) into making his biased news outlet a home and refuge for racists, but probably only because he saw a niche market that would give him easy money and fame.
RamloAgrees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a point about the ADL: they stated that they're actually not aware of any anti-semite statements by Bannon, but rather that Breitbart enables anti-semitism through alt-right articles.
See the bottom paragraph:
http://www.adl.org/sp/stephen-bannon-backgrounder/bannon-backgrounder.html
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:21:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His daughter converted to Judaism, and his grandkids (from her) are being raised as Jewish.
I think there are a LOT of things you can call Donald, but antisemitic is not one of them, and I SERIOUSLY doubt he'd work with someone who was seriously, malignantly antisemitic for very long.
I'm not happy about Bannon, though, for all of the reasons most folks have stated, and I'm concerned that Donald is not as engaged in the vetting of cabinet as he should be. I think his idea is to hire first, then fire based on performance (yes, I understand there's an Apprentice joke here). Truth told- that might not be such a bad idea. In this case, it satisfies up front a lot of the far-right people, in that he's hiring folks from their sphere, and then is relatively blameless when they flame out. Donald can then learn from that experience and actually take a bit of time to look at the "biggest fires" and hire people whom are subject matter experts in those areas.
This presidency will be run like any major corporation, for better and for worse.
Category3Water ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:35:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, personally, I've never seen Trump as a true racist like people love labeling him, just an old dude who likes to work the crowd and doesn't care about anyone who's not in the crowd at that moment. He also seems to me like the rich guy who goes down to hangout with the construction crew so he can role play like he's "one of the guys" and in that way I do think he sort of cares for the working class. Whether I think his policies will help them is another issue, but I don't think he's completely disingenuous, just inexperienced and out of his depth. I grew up in Klan country, so I feel I know the difference between casual racists who just want to be cool and belong by making fun of people and people who have real ignorant hate in them. In the voting booth, there might not be a difference between the two, but in their hearts, their definitely is. Trump has never seemed like that to me. However, he's obviously not above appealing to that crowd and the way he speaks makes me think he's not much of a thinker and doesn't really care about how he selects words. He's much more of a standup comedian than a leader. And that would be fine(ish) if I liked the people that he surrounded himself with, but...you know.
I hope you're right though. I don't see anything as guaranteed in a Trump presidency and inevitably I think his time in office will make the country swing more culturally liberal like Bush's administration did for a bit. Americans like to feel special and what makes you more special than disagreeing with the guy in power?
Magnum256 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Curious why you think the Jew comment regarding his daughters school is such a horrible thing. People have the right to make choices like that if they feel a particular culture or personality type that's stereotypical of a certain group of people might not be the best influence for their child.
I mean where I live there is a huge population of Hindu/Indian people, I'd probably not want to send my child to a school that's 85% Hindu/Indian either, not because I'm necessarily outwardly racist but because I just wouldn't want my child to be influenced by cultural values that I'm not interested in or that I don't see serving a purpose for my child in a broad or generalized way. Would I care if my child had a sample of those cultural values? Of course not, but I wouldn't want it to be predominant.
Category3Water ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting question. I would say that I believe in the free market, but not just economically, socially and culturally. If you send your child to school and she becomes more influenced by Indian culture or black culture or Hispanic culture, then that's on you. Your daughter shouldn't have to be shielded from these influences. In my head, if you raised her right, with proper pride in herself and her culture, then you have nothing to worry about. However, if you didn't and she knows nothing of the culture you are trying to impart because you did a bad job teaching her, then the free market will come in and she will find a culture that suits her better. And also, your daughter is an American. She deserves to think whatever she wants.
In the end, your sentiment seems very lazy to me. If the values you want to impart are worth a damn and you did a good job teaching them, they will win out in your children's hearts. If not, they won't.
At least, that's how I feel. I don't have children though, so I'm working from an idealistic point of view that parents might see as naive.
Bonalt ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:57:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/08/birth-control-makes-women-unattractive-and-crazy/
http://i.imgur.com/oZLZxqg.jpg
Night_FoE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:01:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You won't find any. Its just part of the 'Breitbart = ebil republican media' garbage that the media wants to push now.
RemyJe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:32:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You can't...you...how?
Incognito Chrome (to eliminate my previous search habits) and at google.com, start typing "steve bannon" and it wants to autocomplete "steve bannon quotes". So choose that one, and it's pretty damn easy to find something everywhere, rather than anything [nothing] anywhere.
Or knowing that you're looking for someone who may or may not be controversial (and may or may not be implies is, so let's just say is) search for "steve bannon controversial" and see a bunch more.
I just....I don't understand sometimes.
damendred ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:58:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I searched steve bannon and in the first few results got this:
"Thatโs why there are some unintended consequences of the womenโs liberation movement,โ he said, according to BuzzFeed. โThat, in fact, the women that would lead this country would be pro-family, they would have husbands, they would love their children. They wouldnโt be a bunch of dykes that came from the Seven Sisters schools up in New England. That drives the left insane and thatโs why they hate these women"
Some of the other ones I didn't find so bad, like he used a bad word, or something. But he runs a very bias website that's based on fear based propaganda. Not really someone you'd wanting to help running your country.
It also just is the sort smacks of the backroom deals Trump rallied against, 'help me get elected and I'll get you a sweet appointment'.
RemyJe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I agree. I think it's ridiculous and agree that he shouldn't even be considered. It's ironic too, because outside of the news industry, his educational and military background seems perfectly appropriate for working in Government.
"He graduated from Virginia Tech in 1976 and holds a master's degree in National Security Studies from Georgetown University. In 1983, Bannon received an M.B.A. degree with honors from Harvard Business School.[9]
Bannon was an officer in the United States Navy, serving on the destroyer USS Paul F. Foster as a Surface Warfare Officer in the Pacific Fleet and stateside as a special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations at the Pentagon." - Wikipedia
tabber87 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:39:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Odd that you typed all that and didn't copy and paste one of those horrifically offensive quotes...
antihero17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't love the way he used the term "dykes" here, or plays up a stereotype of feminism, or calling a woman a "bimbo." He also belittled the Occupy Wall Street movement as a bunch of greasy, dirty people. However you feel about that movement, I don't think that is a fair way to handle political discourse.
vonmonologue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:42:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I asked someone linked to an article that said his ex wife said during divorce proceedings that he said some things about not liking how jews raise their children while searching for a private school.
TheOneRing_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I genuinely want to know what is so bad about the guy (which is why I asked) but I honestly can't find anything.
I saw the quote you were talking about and, yeah, that was the ex-wife of a millionaire trying to discredit him. It's not like she didn't have any motive. It's also worth noting that she said he didn't want his kids going to the school because of the Jewish kids that went but his kids did go to the school after all.
Wildelocke ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK. Here are some headlines from Breitbart while Bannon was in charge.
"Bill Kristol: Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew"
"Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy"
"The Solution to Online 'Harassment' Is Simple: Women Should Log Off"
Please reconcile the decision to publicize these with someone who is a good person. Or even a mediocre person.
TheOneRing_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Honestly? It sounds like he knows how to get the audience he's going for and nothing more than that. The only one I find concerning about that is the "Renegade Jew" headline since I personally find people who are too aware of people being Jewish to be concerning but since it was written by someone who is themselves Jewish, I could see how it was okayed.
I just don't feel it's right to denounce someone because of something their business does that they didn't personally do. His publication exists to make him as much money as possible. It's not necessarily a reflection of him as a person or how well he would do as Counselor. For all we know, he has a policy of not interfering with what his journalists write and giving them free reign over their content.
Philly54321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that renegade jew article was written by a Jewish person, right?
ComradeFrunze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:01:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be a jew and still hate Jewish people.
Mocha_Bean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TBF, I read the article, and it doesn't seem to really be antisemitic. Here's the part of the article mentioning Jews:
It's incomprehensible alt-right bullshit, but it doesn't seem to be antisemitic bullshit. I think what he's trying to say is something along the lines of Kristol being a traitor to the Jews.
Either way, FALGSC.
ComradeFrunze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:20:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's not exactly anti-semitic but it's obviously got some pandering dog-whistles going on in that, especially using Jewry
Mocha_Bean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Jew pandering to antisemites. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so depressing.
Philly54321 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:01:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay for Jews to say it though.
tabber87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally. Hitler.
effedup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, big fucking deal.
RemyJe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was not my intent. I equated "couldn't find anything anywhere" with "I tried talking to my mouse like Scotty in Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home and I couldn't find any Bannon quotes."
I thought he either didn't try at all, or he's an idiot.
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a concern troll, feeding other trolls that suddenly come out of the woodworks dismissing the whole thing by badly mis-remembering things "things they heard people say" about Bannon, acting like that's all there is to it, and easily countering it. AKA, how "liberal" guests act of Fox News entertainment segments.
panzercaptain ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't feed the concern trolls, people.
TubsTheCat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He taught you how to fish and you still want him to give you the fish he caught. Scummy.
tabber87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering he told the guy to fish, and the guy said he knows how to fish but he's not catching any fish, isn't it more logical to give the guy a fish rather than provide a tutorial on how to fish?
TubsTheCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the misunderstanding is that the first guy knows how to fish. When you type in "Steve Bannon Quotes" you can see about 10 articles off the bat that list the shit he's said. If he really did type that in and had no results pop up, he should have done what remyje told him to do and open incognito because his search habits are not showing them.
TheOneRing_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:42:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just did that. Read quotes from four articles. Can't really see anything too bad. What are some things he's said that you think make him a bad person? It seems to me that he just has an aggressive way of speaking on some occassions but his actual beliefs don't seem all that bad to me, apart from him believing that people who claim oppression are trying to play the victim card which sounds like someone jaded by people who actually do that and could definitely be seen as him only talking about them and not people with actual problems.
I think it's also worth pointing out that only one of the results I got seemed to be from a big, legitimate news site. The others were from small unknown sites that I wouldn't find as reliable.
ALoudMouthBaby ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:56:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it depends on how you define bad. Do you consider being a white nationalist to be a bad thing? Because Bannon most certainly is one. He has described his Brietbart site as the platform of the alt-right on several occasions.
RemyJe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was more interested in how you were failing to find "anything anywhere" rather than discussing the quotes themselves. It's incredibly easy to search for things, and the search examples I gave were not only not complicated, one was provided automatically, and one was relatively intuitive.
Whether you agree, disagree with what he's said, or agree, disagree that they're as terrible as everyone that says they're terrible thinks they are, they were pretty easy to find and I couldn't imagine how little you must have actually tried to search earlier.
It's a damned useful skill.
TheOneRing_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I was saying was I can't actually find anything he's done that was wrong. A lot of people complaining but nothing actually bad.
RemyJe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then I'm sorry I though you were clueless.
RMSOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give us an example and the full context.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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WadeK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the site he ran is a bad source for how people view his character. Of course whatever is written there is going to paint him as sunshine and rainbows
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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WadeK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I could find you prominent women who were against suffrage in the 1910's, that doesn't mean they're right or representative of women as a whole
sanctii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His magazine has written articles about the alt-right (you..journalism), and the left has turned that into him being a white supremacist.
elmatador12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The main thing that he has said on record is his declaration that Breitbart had become "the voice of the alt-right." (Which is pretty awful, and enough for me to think he is a dangerous person to have in the whites house)
But you're right, a lot of what other things I've read about it him was either unconfirmed or out of context.
TheOneRing_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:35:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see why that could sound bad but don't many people consider "alt-right" to just be younger people who are still conservative? It could be that he was talking about them.
lady_jaye ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:41:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen the alt-right described 50 different ways by 50 different people - Descriptions ranging from everything from people that post pepe memes on twitter to full-on cross-burning members of the klan. I don't even think those who claim they are "alt-right" even know fully what it means because it's so new, which I guess is why it's making such a convenient boogie man for liberal-leaning publications.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:32:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno if allowing people to voice an opinion is a bad thing. I don't agree with Anita Sarkeesian, but if she was being stifled by the media, I'd gladly pay to make sure she had her view heard.
Free speech is important to a society, even if it's just to remind us how stupid racism, sexism, and homophobia are. The Alt-right may be full of these individuals, but trying to stop them from utilizing their rights is just as bad as being a racist, sexist, or homophobe.
LordofNarwhals ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:41:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Bannon can run his shitty website all he wants, but he does not deserve a place in the White House.
And you can't possibly equate actively trying to prevent racism, fascism, etc from spreading, with actual racism, fascism, etc?
If someone like Andrew Anglin (who runs the self proclaimed "world's most visited alt-right website") somehow got a position in the White House I'd be fucking disappointed if there weren't nationwide protests against the decision to put him there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not for you to decide, that's for the president.
It's about their being a conversation. Make people aware of the issue in a reasonable and adult way. Just saying "these things are bad" doesn't work. DARE is a fucking joke because of this. And yes, to prevent fascism you have to not do fascist things, like restricting the "wrong" people from speaking. It's hypocritical and leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.
And that would be our right as Americans. To protest and make our voices heard. Use your voice to speak up and shut down people who hold shitty opinions with reasonable debate. If you just out and out say "no, your opinion is wrong and you should shut up" and try to pass laws that shut them up, you're doing exactly what you say they'll do. You're no better than them, except you can justify it because society at large agrees with you. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
PsychoPhilosopher ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:40:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue isn't with the 'alt-right' but with the Breitbart.
Breitbart are almost universally reviled for their utterly nonsensical crybaby whining about literally everything, followed by more spineless mewling everytime they are criticized for their embarrassingly pathetic efforts at constructing an argument.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:04:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, it doesn't matter what their message is. There are kids in college asking for segregated dorm rooms so that they can have a safe space from white people. There's really no good justification for it, but I'd still fight for their right to say it. Anita Sarkeesian misrepresents gameplay to make her point from time to time, but I'd still say she deserves to say it.
They're allowed to say their piece, even if it is poorly constructed. And while some people will say free speech only applies to the government stopping you from speaking, and this is true, it's still wrong to try and stop people from speaking their mind. Any democracy owes it to its citizens to make sure ALL view points are heard, even if they're vile.
PsychoPhilosopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, it does matter how you speak that message.
The issue is not the message itself, but the fact that if Breitbart is the voice of that message than holy shit that message is a pointless waste of time.
The people who should be angriest about that claim are the alt-right.
Incorrect. That implies an active hand. Free speech is passive. A democracy ought not to suppress any particular viewpoint, but it has no responsibility to ensure that a viewpoint is actually heard.
That's tricky, take a moment to think about the difference between active and passive roles.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:19:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, how the message is delivered is irrelevant. It deserves to be put out there for the sake of free discourse. "I don't like how it's written" is not an argument against them, it's a weak attempt to shut them down without addressing their points.
A democracy cannot survive "wrong" opinions being suppressed by the public. You can see it throughout history. Maybe the problem is that democracies don't actually work to enforce free speech. PC culture is a fine example. If you say something racist, you get treated like shit. So instead of learning or growing, you retreat back to a place where you're accepted (amongst other racists). Racism is still a problem because we've tried to drive it out with hatred. Hate breeds more hate. PC culture should be about addressing why the person thinks that way and fixing it and allowing for discussion to happen. However, it's become a method of socially accepted bullying, and I don't condone that.
PsychoPhilosopher ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've suppressed my message by failing to understand it.
What ridiculous windmill are you tilting at anyway, little knightling?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm not suppressing it. I'm not insulting your position or trying to make you shut up so you go away. Suppressing it would be blocking out what you're saying and dismissing your opinion as idiotic and wrong. Which I'm not. I respect you as a person enough not to resort to weak ass attempts to shut down reasonable discourse. Maybe you should try that.
I think you're the one that's misunderstanding. There's very little in the way of alt right news, and Breitbart is one of the few sources that supports it. It gives that side a voice. I get that its poorly written and argued, but where are you going to find another source that gives them such a large platform for sharing their opinion. I hope that made it clear for you.
I care about rights and making sure that they aren't removed for the "greater good". Free speech needs protection and people to stand up and make sure it's protected. The constitution can be changed and it has been ignored in the past. Freedom isn't free. It takes work by the populace to keep it. Those who seek power will always attempt to strengthen and keep it, and your freedom isn't important to them.
PsychoPhilosopher ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:50:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you are!
You've said that by insulting Breitbart I'm impeding their right to free speech.
I'm saying that your position as such is a) batshit insane and b) places an absurd requirement on both private citizens and the public.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:18:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm not. I actually listened to your opinion and responded to it. You just want to create a red herring and derail the argument in your favor so I sink to your level.
No, I said that you're dismissing their opinion because you don't like the way they say it. I haven't dismissed your opinion despite your insults.
Again, no it isn't. What's so insane about making sure everyone has their rights preserved? Was MLK insane? He wanted to make sure black people had the rights they were supposed to be guaranteed. We have a chance to be proactive about stopping rights from being restricted. And rights should be protected. Is protection from illegal search and seizure a passive role? What about freedom to assemble? Should we not protect those? The requirement is allowing people to speak their mind and actually using reason and debate to shut it down if you feel that's necessary. It's not absurd at all to expect private citizens and the public to treat people with respect and to use their mind.
PsychoPhilosopher ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy.
You actually think you're doing something important by protecting the feelings of loathsome children whose mothers didn't care enough to spank them.
Clearly I must have missed something, so I'll ask:
What is required for someone to have the right to free speech. To be able to speak without fear of physical violence, or to be heard and listened to free from opposition or challenge?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about their feelings. I care that their ideas are heard and that we have people that can actually talk them down. It's not about convincing the asshole they're wrong. You may or may not be able to convince them. But others might see or hear it, and if all they see from people who are against hate spewing hate? That'll leave a bad taste in their mouth. The election proved that spewing more hate to combat hate doesn't work. It hasn't done any good, and we've been trying for years. And im sure you're thinking that "well they're at disrepsecting people, why can't I", and the answer is because they're not about respecting people they have deemed evil. They make no apologies for it. Your posistion is based on respecting people. It makes you look bad because you're compromising your posistion of tolerance.
A the end of the day though, it's about preserving rights. The first step to getting the constitution changed is getting the public behind it, and the public has already made it clear that being racist means you should be punished socially and economically. That's not good. Because one day, we'll wake up and the government will have the support of the people when they remove or heavily limit free speech. It'll be for the greater good though, according to their speeches. It's been done before, all throughout history. Shit, just look at the Patriot Act. I don't trust the government, no one should trust their government. Even the best government deserves distrust. A well intentioned dictator is still a dictator, and it's an easy trap for good people. "It's only for awhile". "Just until we fix this". And it never changes back.
To be able to speak your mind without serious harm to you or your livelihood. You should not lose your job because you have an opinion that isn't well recieved. You shouldn't be targeted for smear campaigns. You shouldn't become a pariah because you said the wrong thing. You talk about me caring about feelings? No. Discussions are being shut down because people get offended. They care about feelings. You can't say that because Luis could get hurt. Oh, don't talk about that, Lisa doesn't like to think about it. Thats what caring about feelings does.
Oh and really? That was a seriously lame attempt to corral the argument. Giving an answer that is technically correct and an answer that I'd never agree to? Of course there should be challenges to what someone says and of course you should be free from threat of violence. Challenging it isn't insulting them, and physical violence isn't the only kind of violence.
PsychoPhilosopher ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:05 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. This is why we disagree.
Yes. Physical violence is the only kind of violence. Taking away someone's job is physical violence, cutting them off from their needs just as much as your windpipe in my fist would cut you off from oxygen.
You just stated a contention as an assumption, so you can jump right back off that high horse buddy boy. You're trying to push me into a straw man you can beat up on for a while so you don't have to think, like every snivelling coward that dreamed of heroics before you.
You tried to avoid an answer to that question because in the end that's what turns you from someone concerned about rights to someone concerned about nice.
The rest is just window dressing, self indulgences and irrelevances that show your desperation to find enemies in everything and everyone. Trying to make the world better requires accepting what it is first. Denying the dirtiness and ugliness in the world is just vanity.
I corralled the argument because it brought out the delusion. You seem to believe that one should be able to speak without fear of consequence. Anyone who has stepped out of an echo chamber in their lives or voiced a legitimately unpopular opinion will laugh in your face at that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:56:14 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the one trying to find enemies? Because I think we should all be able to be rational human beings and grow up from name calling like school yard bullies? Wow, and you call me delusional. No wonder you don't want to talk to people and use logic and reason. You just want to bully people into submission. I never insulted you up to this point because I actually thought you were a reasonable person.
What strawman? I never created any situation discussed. People have lost jobs because of jokes that could be taken as racist or sexist. People abuse and insult those who disagree with them. People are afraid of being called racist, so that factual arguments will not be used because of the fear of being labeled as one. You're the one who thinks I care about their feelings, when I just said that it helps you more to use logic and reason to shut down their arguments.
You think that rights should not have to be actively protected. You think that your rights will not be infringed upon if you don't protect them. You think that reason and discussion is stupid. You think it's okay to dismiss an argument because it's poorly written. You think it's okay to dismiss an argument because you've deemed to crazy. You think it's okay to be a bully and demean people because you disagree with them. You're the one with serious delusions here man. But I'll still fight for your right to say whatever you want, and I won't insult you to disagree. I hope you get past the idea that you need to bully people to get your point across, because you'll never make any progress. Bye.
PsychoPhilosopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:25 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about this one:
You lack empathy.
You spit out the garbage dogma like it's all you've ever known, but the moment it's challenged you play the victim.
You aren't trying to understand, just trying to rationalize your adherence to principles you clearly don't fully comprehend.
I'm trying to pull some honesty out of you, but it seems I'm not going to find a way to get you thinking rationally. You've swallowed the teaching of cowards and fools, so stay on your knees if you wish.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:26 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I understand your point. You think it's acceptable to shut down an argument based on poor writing and that it's okay to bully people for daring to disagree. All you are is a bully who couldn't be one until you learned enough big words that you could make people feel as stupid as people made you feel. You haven't made a coherent argument as to why Breitbart shouldn't give the Alt-right a voice, and the one you did make was weak. See, this is how I know you're a bully. You've gone this whole argument trying to distract from the original point and hurled insults. You were wrong. So sit on it and spin. All that other crap you spewed? I don't have to answer it because, well, it's bullshit.
This is my honest opinion. I'm sincere when I say that everyone should be allowed to speak. And damn straight should you fucking speak up against them and use reason instead of bullying and insults. I doubt you will, because you don't seem smart enough to rise above that. Because you're a coward. You're afraid of looking dumb so you dress your words up. You write real pretty. But ultimately you could sum up your entire post with "nuh-uh you're dumb and stupid". You're not smart, you just took an English composition course. You don't understand history and why you should protect freedom of speech. And that's fine. Because I'm dedicated to the principle of freedom. You can be a bully to the people who speak up, be my guest. But then I'll stand up and call you out for being a bully. Then I'll turn around and shut down the person whose spewing racist nonsense because racism is super fucking easy to shut down with reason and intelligence. Just because I think it's wrong to shut people down by insulting them, doesn't mean that I'm not against destroying their argument. Oh, and the key thing that makes you a bully? You try to destroy the person not the idea. Get stuffed.
PsychoPhilosopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:21 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lot of 'You' talk for someone committed to reason.
Did you notice I pointed to your lack of empathy? Or did that skip past you?
See, empathy isn't always nice.
But sometimes it can tell you something useful.
In the case of the Breitbart, as well as your own case, it's telling me that you aren't communicating on the rational level, you're not telling me about an idea. You're telling me about your identity.
You want me to engage with who you are, the 'person' as opposed to the idea.
The trouble is that you wanted me to praise you and pat your head for espousing the cliche extremist jargon-fueled nonsense. Ironically, once I started to question it you immediately jumped into the personal attacks, which I took as a good indicator that my initial hypothesis was correct.
In order to excuse that vitriol, you need to ignore what I've actually said (that consequences of speech are sometimes acceptable, particularly if the consequence is itself in the form of speech) and invent a nice black & white paradigm of "those who protect free speech" vs. "those who don't".
Do you see how the people who disagree with you are "bullies"? That those who agree with you are 'reasoned'.
I never said Breitbart shouldn't 'give alt-right a voice' I said the alt-right should fucking find a better voice, because Breitbart is weak and inept. Breitbart claiming to be their voice is offensive, partially because it drowns out other more reasoned options.
But that interpretation didn't give you the fight you wanted, didn't give you the chance to show your identity.
Just like talking in measured or reasonable terms about muslims doesn't give the alt right the chance to show theirs. They want to show that they prioritize strength and refuse to show what they perceive as weakness. Which in and of itself shows a deep insecurity about their strength that needs to be recognized.
Likewise, you want to show me that you prioritize some notion of 'reason' and 'intelligence' over aggression, and in doing so have revealed the lack of same.
The parallel is powerful. Take a moment to be self-aware and see that by playing Devil's Advocate I've taught you something interesting about yourself and other people.
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is always room for all voices in News, that shouldn't be an American debate. We allow everyone to have whatever opinion they want. We don't, however, condone "news" websites purposely lying and deceiving their consumers, which is why when controversial subjects or people are covered and given voice to in credible news segments, they are allowed to speak but given background and context.
Easy case, Breitbart had a very racist article that included the phrase "The Confederacy was not a callous conspiracy to enforce slavery, but a patriotic and idealistic cause."
Believing the Civil War was not about slavery is a very common theme in the south, and that very current belief should be mentioned in any article about such, as context. Simple fact checking in the article to give a wider background would then allow their expression of their ideas without granting them false legitimacy. Multiple states cited Slavery as a motive for succession, including Mississippi ("Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery โ the greatest material interest of the world โฆ a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization") including South Carolina ("In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals") including Texas ("We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable."), and most importantly the Vice President of the Confederacy whose famous Cornerstone Speech declared that the "immediate cause" of secession was their disagreement over slavery.
Breitbart purposely does no moderating of their racist views, no fact checking of their racist statements, and gives no context to their racist movement, which actively laughs about how they trick people into joining their cause by dressing up and disguising their racism in order to get more people to flock to their cause.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And guess what? That is their right. They are allowed to do that. And you're allowed to say "fuck you assholes" and do what you just did under every article they post.
Free speech doesn't mean just the speech we find palatable. It's all speech, and honestly it sucks sometimes, which is why it's so important to ensure that EVERYONE has that right. It'd be so easy to say "alright, racists are banned from speaking in public" and just pushing the problem away. But then we've lost a freedom. And for what? Not having to listen to racism or sexism? That would be awful.
drdelius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, not my right to say "fuck you assholes" under every post, because they aren't a government institution, they aren't required to let me speak at all.
I'm saying, the reason they aren't a real news organization, and that they're considered Hacks who have no journalistic integrity is that they do puff pieces and editorial advertisements, not sourced backgrounded contexualized informational articles. They're a giant circle-jerk that makes money off of being a giant circle-jerk, and shouldn't be granted legitimacy in the eyes of the public. They can talk all they want, but everyone sane should refute their words and ideas.
RMSOT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_bannon.html
I don't see anything deplorable what so ever... Okay maybe some Sarah Palin praise, but that is an option.
Just remember you heard he is the worst from the same media that has lied to you this whole cycle.
fearofbears ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here are some headlines from his website, formerly Andrew Breitbart's before he died:
"Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy"
"Hoist it High and Proud: The confederate flag proclaims a glorious heritage"
Among many others that are too gross for me to really delve into without seething anger.
RMSOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Headlines are intentionally provocative for clicks. Literally everyone does this.
Fucking with your hormones can have bad side effects. Some women react very poorly to ill-fitting BC. Not very PC, but not totally incorrect either.
That's an option held by many southerners, not-racists included. Disagreeing over a flag and its representation is peanuts. I don't see how his option on a flag matters to you and your rights.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, him saying that makes him a white supremacist..... Lol
No.
DICKS_OR_GTFO ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIGHT! I can't find anything either just her said she said shit
fearofbears ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:49:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
literally go to Breitbart.com and look up articles.
DICKS_OR_GTFO ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:04:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did. They weren't bad, and some were obvious satire
Goasupreme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude don't you know that someone you are divorcing is PERFECTLY fair and honest
TitanofBravos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the specific example they cited a couple days ago on NPR was the fact that he had the gall to say "feminism is a cancer"
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because there isn't any. It's all media propaganda.
r1zz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assume it's the few quotes that are HERE . None of which seem to be too off the mark. Seems to be just a few things that safe-space SJW's would get offended by.
carasson ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:42:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ben Shapiro, literal ORTHODOX JEWISH MAN who worked for Steve Bannon, AND despises him for personal reasons, denies that he is an antisemite. He also thinks he should be given a chance in Trump's white house if I recall correctly. Try again?
jman12234 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:38:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say he was an antisemite. I said he said antisemitic things. Also, just because one person out of a minority believes something does not mean that it should be held as the definitive interpretation of an entire group. Stop treating races and ethnicities as monoliths.
profkinera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He hasn't said anything anti semitic iirc. That's why the media has back off the constant calling him an anti semite because there isn't any evidence.
sgtcoolbeans ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.dailywire.com/news/10770/3-thoughts-steve-bannon-white-house-chief-ben-shapiro
I wouldn't say he thinks he should be given a chance. He does however point out the media going overboard with the antisemite stuff. But the rest of the article is anything but a good picture of the guy.
SushiGato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Shapiro was the one saying he's an antisemite and white power nationalist. But not sure I trust anything anymore. Too much propaganda from both sides
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:47:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, he wasn't. The article he wrote on Bannon is linked above you.
LysandersTreason ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Trump just put his Jewish son-in-law in charge of picking Trump's national security team... why are we expected to believe that Trump is anti-semitic?
jman12234 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said Trump was anti-semitic. I wasn't arguing that at all.
LysandersTreason ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's something I've seen a lot online. That Trump is Anti Semitic because he hired Bannon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's daughter is Jewish. Bannon will toe the line or he'll be gone in six months.
I didn't support Trump during this election, but I think he has no issue with firing someone that isn't performing up to his standards, and I think he can work it out in his mind (and in the press) as "I tried it their way, now I'll do it mine".
Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I'm thinking there will be a LOT of shifting within his first two years.
jman12234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just down to Trump. It's not just aboit his cabinet. What message does this send to racists that have a bastion in breitbart? Even if Bannon is the most anti-racist person he has espoused himself to racism and misogyny just by head a company which puts our racist and misogynystic rhetoric.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most Americans (judging by the popular vote) are aware of racism and misogyny, and I don't think that spending ANY TIME AT ALL thinking about the "message this sends" to racists is worth your time or mine.
Fuck what they think.
Yes, there are people, like Bannon, that I am uncomfortable with, and I think that this man won't fit well within the organization... Trump is a business person, and I think every approach he takes is radical, to establish a negotiation point- ask for the moon, then come down to earth.
Perhaps I'm giving the man too much credit, but I think that if he serves red meat up front, he has the political capital to weather both the storm of the opposition (majority of the nation), by distancing himself from the stupidest of ideas (i know it isn't a word) because those ideas don't come from him, but were "suggested by the staff, considered, and rejected", and maintaining traction with those who are happy to see him choose an outsider.
Effectively, I think in his second year, you're going to see a marked shift to a more moderate group of people.
Again, I could be flat wrong, and maybe I'm engaging in wishful thinking because I didn't vote for him, but I'm waiting until I see some kind of decision FROM THE MAN HIMSELF.
jman12234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. When racists and bigots are emoldened people are threatened, people are harrassed, and at worst people are killed. Normalizing this type of rhetoric is not on an option. The only way to make sure it doesn't become normalized is to address it directly, as soon as it sprouts up, and mark it out for what it is. Racism never went away, it just went into hiding and now that this type of discourse is given a platform it will come out again. It is dangerous to say "fuck what they think" because a lot of people think like they do. Underestimation is the exact thing that allowed this election come to pass and I will not make the same error again. This cannot be accepted in any way.
I don't think Trump actually has any idea what he's doing and if he wants his power base to stay loyal he'll have to deliver on somethings. I think he will be easily manipulated by the people around him because of his inexperience.
Hopefully you're right. I just don't think there's time to waste in seeing if Trump doesn't actually turn into the monster he has put himself out as. I'm black and mexican. You have to be able to understand my fear and worry. My family has already been harrassed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think that has been happening throughout the entire election cycle.
No, I don't think it really did. It's there, and it's in all the places the so-called "alt-right" wish to pretend don't exist. Structural racism, subtle racism, whatever you want to call it, is a real thing. Same goes for xenophobia and homophobia. I'm not arguing that these issues are "solved"- not by a long shot.
I think what I'm saying is that we have perhaps ridden the pendulum and are now so concerned that we're avoiding "real talk". Here's an example:
https://youtu.be/cAoXgZLRee0
I think there's a balance to be struck between racism, xenophobia, et al, and discussing the components that allow the umbrella of that nastiness to continue.
The people I am suggesting we disregard are exactly the "fool" jesters of those notions: the overt racists. And yes, I do think it's wise to ignore them, because they offer no value in their argument. What i find unhealthy is an AVOIDANCE of the very same "subtle" racism that frankly exists in all of us, whether we want to admit it or not, and that we NEED TO WORK THROUGH, but have avoided having the "tough conversations" in light of just pointing at those more clearly racist than us, the normal.
Fuck those guys. they'll either get it or they won't. trying to tip the scales, or spending so much time on the small percentage of idiots is a detriment to the rest of us that are ready to actually converse.
Yes, he WILL need to deliver on some things, and the easiest is the deportation of illegals, which is why he's already signaled that he'll do that first. it's low-hanging fruit that he'll catch fresh hell from on the left, though it will make them look bad to the same electorate that voted for Trump, but it will allow him a ballast to say "you know what, maybe the wall isn't practical. Maybe a fence and more agents... btw, I got rid of a lot of 'bad guys'", and he'll come out with minimal damage.
You think he has no idea what he's doing, and THAT IS WHY HE WON.
This is where I fail at understanding, because I'm white and male, and I can't understand your experience now any better than three weeks ago. I hope that you understand that I was not a Trump supporter, and I hope you also understand that I do not want you or yours to suffer in any way. What I want is some decorum, but am happy to see that people like you (and even with my limited view point) and i will examine everything he does, and will judge him based on those actions.
I continue to think that you'll see a huge turnover in his first two years, and he'll gradually fill out his staff to become a pretty moderate sort... at least, that's my hope.
EDIT- Let me address something that I'm sure you or someone else will point out- the video i linked to seems to contradict exactly the point i espoused- that we should ignore the obviously stupid and ignorant, because the "rest of us" don't feel that way. In this case, it was radical Islam. I'm aware of the hypocrisy in my argument, and I'm suggesting this: there are hills to die on, and THIS ONE (radical Islam) is one area where we cannot ignore the overtly ignorant assholes. Another would be the relationship between our policing, our so-called drug war, and the interaction between authorities and minorities. That is something we CANNOT ignore. We have to combat the racism of bad cops, for example, but we have to also address clearly the culture of BOTH the "bad cop" and the "shitty neighborhood", and things like "bitches get stitches", for example, isn't helping anyone. We have, in my view, gone so far down the path of self-autopsy of overt, structural, subversive racism, xenophobia, et al, that we feel racist or xenophobic ourselves to even SUGGEST that maybe, no matter the cause, there exists a culture that is adversarial to ITSELF, and needs be addressed.
All I want is to wake up with a third Obama term. That's not going to happen. What happens next I think we need to try and measure and address as it happens, that's all.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FrankFH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Media blowing things out of proportion as always.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much. Amazing the fury when no one can provide proof Bannon is even close to being a white supremacist. Lol
everyones_whore ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He hasn't said anything in support of white nationalism or misogyny. There is no proof, but people like you, dishonest idiots, spread lie after lie.
You're either an idiot for spreading things you haven't confirmed (as you can't) or a dishonest rat.
jman12234 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to be so rude or aggressive, man. It's just an internet forum. I'm just going off the information I have available to me, which has been circulating around a lot of major news sources.
In any case he was the ceo of Breitbart, if there was anything antisemitic or misogynistic, he by default allowed it. It may not have been directly him and he may not hold any oppressive views, but he sure as hell knows how to use them to his benefit and how to str up anti-semitic and misogynystic feeling in people. He's espoused himself to that form of thought.
everyones_whore ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:15:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People like you are the reason there are riots now and trump supporters have been violently attacked. You are an idiot and should learn to research things before claiming them as fact.
jman12234 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:25:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Judging my intelligence because of a single reddit post is pretty short sighted and obtuse. You don't even know who I am, or what I'm about. So please don't generalize who I am like that.
I think the riots are the fault of trump's own divisive, combatative, and unyielding rhetoric and platform. Minorities are also being targeted, on an even larger scale than attacks on trump supporters. Not that that makes attacks on trump supporters less important. But, for someone who's all about "facts" you should know this and present it as well.
el_andy_barr ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:19:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there is a contingent of "alt-right" that is an alternative to the religious right, who are quite socially libertarian and often atheist.
And nothing anti-Semitic that wasn't reported in one single filing by his ex-wife in an divorce case
ihatethesidebar ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:30:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know those news articles you avoid clicking at all costs? Steve Bannon is responsible for a lot of them.
LordofNarwhals ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In case you're unfamiliar with Breitbart, here are some of their headlines.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Chiming in with something others haven't added yet. He took over from Andrew Breitbart as the head of Breitbart News, after Andrew died. Bannon has bragged that he single-handedly made Breitbart News THE platform for the Alt-Right.
Google the Alt-Right, they're a very specific sub-group of conservatives, with an actual hierarchy and a leader. There are various believes from different sub-factions, but they all agree on a philosophy of Whites-first, white-pride, keeping America majority-white, making America a White Homeland (through deportation, closing the boarders to non-whites, and to systematic discouragement of non-white breeding, but not though any violent means). They are unabashedly racist, they embrace the term racism, and think that there is nothing wrong with racism.
So, if he isn't racist himself, he sure is buddy-buddy with them. Him not being racist is rather debatable, based off some leading comments he has made, and off of him allegedly being against his child being taught in any institution with too many Jews, or ran by the Jews. The allegations were by his wife during divorce proceedings, though it looks like the allegations weren't fought at the time.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rest of your description of the alt-right is accurate enough, but they're actually a loose and fairly amorphous group and absolutely don't have a single organization, hierarchy, or leader.
Breitbart represents the most "mainstream" (i.e. watered down for more public consumption) end of it, and it's plausible not everyone at Breitbart would consider themselves white supremacists. There's just a substantial overlap between the perspectives Breitbart pushes and those of much more openly extreme white nationalist groups.
You might say Breitbart is a less extreme branch of the alt-right, or that they are just presenting a more mild version of it to try to gain public legitimacy or as a "gateway drug." Hard to say. Either way, the idea of Bannon in the White House is terrifying.
drdelius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right#Etymology
Which leads you to the founder and head of the Alt-Right movement, Richard Spencer. He founded AlternativeRight.com, basically THE center of Alt-Right thought on the internet. Also go to the Alt-Right subreddit, he's an active member there. (Listen to him speak if you get a chance, he has a silken voice and a silken tongue, he can simultaneously have you nodding along and wanting to vomit at the same time) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer
Also, last but not least, read what Breitbart itself says about the Alt-Right and Spencer in their FAQ/Info article about the Alt-Right. Specifically, look under the "THE INTELLECTUALS" section. http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/
You can try to tone down Bannon as much as you want, but none of this is even slightly hidden, which is why people from both sides of the isle are against his appointment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize I am not attempting to "tone down" or defend Bannon in any way, right? I'm not sure you read my whole post.
drdelius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read it, a few times, and sourced things.
I refuted your first argument, about there not being a head. There are various sub-factions, but they come from a common core though Spencer's vision of the movement. It's like Christianity, there may be splinter groups, but you can't dispute who founded it (or, I should say, those in the movement don't dispute it).
As for toning it down, I took your view of Breitbart News as a proxy for Bannon, and your watering down their Alt-Right-ness as watering down his as well. I should say Breitbart has managed to keep some staff and regular contributors that are not alt-right, and are unsympathetic to the alt-right movement. Bannon is not one of those people.
Manaleaking ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Bannon is just the latest target of the media. They have a strategy of attacking anyone that associates with Trump or who is loyal to him. Bannon seems like a pretty ok journalist who took over Breitbart after its jewish founder passed away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...and turned it into "the platform of the alt-right," which is an unashamedly racist and anti-immigrant movement.
RockStar5132 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I don't follow politics well. Who is Bannon and why is he bad?
waiv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Giulani seems like a poor choice as well, not to mention that his son in law seems to have way too much influence in his government.
TheChrono ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 21:27:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump doesn't scare me nearly as much as the people he's hiring into his offices.
thirdfounder ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:56:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Bannon seems to me to think similarly about media, communication, and persuasion to Trump. He's been very successful with that perspective. Though his reputation has been sullied by the election smearing, I don't think Bannon is all that bad. Harvard MBA, Goldman Sachs seems to indicate he's ambitious but not psychotic. Breitbart.com comments section is cancer, but then so are most.
Still, it's on Bannon and Trump to repair Bannon in the public eye. Let's hope they do or part ways.
inscrutablerudy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:56:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Unabomber went to Harvard. I went to an Ivy League school and met a lot of creeps. His education proves nothing about him.
third-eye-brown ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:15:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you watch his 60 minutes interview? I didn't recognize the man I saw. I think Trump may actually not be completely retarded.
Goasupreme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:12:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really should watch the speeches he gives in front of wealthier people, he tones it down.
NecroJoe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:19:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jac0b777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. The guy is far from retarded. He singlehandedly manipulated the media to give him free press by saying the dumbest populist shit you can imagine. He pandered to his audience, lied and tricked everyone.
He may not be likeable, but don't doubt his whole charade has been planned. He knows what he's doing and he is far from dumb.
diddy1 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:53:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh. Same here
AlekRivard ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:04:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And named William Pryor as a potential SCOTUS candidate
NotYourMomsGayPorn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:50:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS. We're spending so much time talking about the Bannon appointment that no one has noticed Pryor's on the shortlist for a Supreme Court nomination. That guy is fucking TERRIFYING. Extremely anti-repro rights, extremely anti-LGBT, openly hostile to Miranda v. Arizona and Roe v. Wade... We're fucked, if he somehow gets voted in.
AlekRivard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Republican House and Senate; regardless of the politics they will lose all party loyalty if they play obstructionist again
duckdelicious ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:43:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could be me. I feel the same way.
the1who_ringsthebell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should be relieved to hear that he didn't hire Bannon for chief of staff then.
Priebus is Chief of Staff.
Taylor814 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're forgetting that all of these headlines were already put out when he was brought on earlier this summer as the campaign's CEO. They all predicted that Bannon would cause Trump to go off the rails, and his hiring ended up coinciding with the long string of teleprompter speeches that got Trump back on message.
BigSeth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:43:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was Pence for me.
soggy7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My thoughts exactly.
dnick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My last hope is that he's hiring half of his staff based on the fact that he likes to be able to fire people. If he fires too many people who are actually 'liked' or respected, he'll have trouble down the line, so keeping a few ridiculous picks that he can fire on a whim at any time might be a business-like arrangement he likes to do?
Really grasping at straws here.
Rebelpride1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you totally ignored his cabinet, he seems slightly more reasonable
To bad the cabinet is the most important part
I'm kind of thinking he's secretly an anarchist and wants to set a precedent for the president overriding his cabinet on basically every issue, and the people being okay with it, until it turns shitty
Juslotting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:36 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't seem like a guy that wants to unite the country, but he does represent the country, a lot of people want to "bring it all crashing to the ground" and he definitely represents them.
elitemouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Steve Bannon will turn out to be a pretty reasonable guy?
Hazelstone37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to believe.
Conjwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't let them die just yet! He has already said he is cool with gay marriage, lets hope we get back to pre-2012 Trump by the inauguration. We better keep hoping, because we've got him for 4 years either way. Hopefully Bannon is out before January 20th.
SoyIsMurder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he is reasonable, but I think it is really up to congress to reign in some of his more harebrained ideas. I actually feel pretty confident that they will, because of the simple reason that they will be blamed for everything that goes wrong.
chi_town_steve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disclaimer: I voted for Obama twice, Bernie in the primary, and begrudgingly, Hillary Clinton.
I don't see anything that bad in the source you link. Like, I don't agree with much of it, but I'm not sure expressing those opinions or overseeing publication of those articles should disqualify him from working for the president. Certainly not worse than anything trump has said or done...
ADXMcGeeHeez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was racist?
mugsybeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a straight shooter.
Inquisitorsz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that Trump might just be a genius and he's being an outright sexist and racist bigot just get the popular vote. The crazier he got, the more people liked him.
However, based on his past history and backing of people like Bannon and Pence... that seems increasingly less likely.
thetitan555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He certainly doesn't have a way with words.
AscendentReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is all of what he said really so bad? Even if you dig my comment history you'll find that I'm not really pro trump, but it just seems like he's anti establishment and outspoken like Trump, except said far less egregious things.
I find Pence to be far worse.
ihatehappyendings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? NY Times?
nealxg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a pretty unbiased source...
ClintonDidHarambe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't use the NY times as a source now if you want facts. Hell, any mainstream media is going to be biased considering 96% of donations go to the Democrats.
Jac0b777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I completely disagree with your statement that the NY Times is unbiased (far from that I'd say), but regarding Bannon in the White House - yeah, that's pretty much a nightmare.
blalien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just laughing because I've gotten a dozen responses complaining about how biased NY Times is, but not one person has actually looked at the article and told me what's wrong with it.
Jac0b777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I'm not talking about this exact article, but their reporting in general. This article seems generally OK, as it's mostly quotes and facts about him, not the writer's opinions on him.
blalien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I know the NY Times is left leaning, but they don't straight up lie about the facts. Some Redditors seem to believe that any publication that doesn't worship Trump like an immortal pussy-grabbing god-emperor is part of the George Soros/CTR propaganda machine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the ny times and respected do not belong in the same sentence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:02 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't really see anything wrong with what he said. which part dont you like?
Raudskeggr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is virtually a token appointment without any real power though. It's basically a sinecure.
localtaxpayer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:57:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, this is the main guy bending his ear to shape strategy. Former people who have held this same job (if not exact same title): Karl Rove, David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett. I don't think anyone would say they had no power with the President.
CowFu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:31:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll probably influence more people if you don't start off so abrasively. I agree though, it's more than just a token appointment.
localtaxpayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point, tensions are high right now.
Edwardian ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eh, one advisor... without even any direct authority... There were extreme liberals in the Obama whitehouse, and it wasn't the end of the world, this won't be either...
Let's just hope he goes respectable with SecState, SecDef, and Supreme Court Justice like he did with Chief of Staff rather than far extreme like he did with Bannon.
blalien ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:50:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're going to go the "both sides are just as bad" route, prove it. Name one Obama adviser who is as extreme as Steve Bannon and has the word "chief" in their title.
Mostlyuselessfucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Bannon, the bigoted individual that employs gays, blacks, women, muslims, and jews? He sounds terrible.
Edwardian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:30:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about a Secretary of State that put secret communications at risk, after bringing charges against a general for a smaller information leak... and who perjured herself in front of congress. What laws has Bannon broken?
blalien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me how many crimes Hillary Clinton has been convicted of? Why does Reddit only believe in innocent until proven guilty when it comes to rape?
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She hasn't been convicted because her boss (the president) wouldn't let her be charged. Complete abuse of power. The "pay to play" evidence alone is enough corruption evidence to get someone jailed...
LordofNarwhals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What even is an "extreme liberal".
Libertarian?
Anarchist??
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Socialist... libertarian is extreme right...
LordofNarwhals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile at /r/socialism
Libertarians tend to be on the far right in terms of economic policies and on the far left in terms of social policies (although it differs from person to person).
I'd say it started out as more of a leftist movement but in recent years has been taken over by the right.
That said libertarianism is a very broad spectrum which ranges all the way from the Libertarian Marxism on the far-left to Anarcho-capitalism on the far-right.
Magnum256 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:43:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people keep hating on Steve Bannon? I'm asking sincerely, I don't know what this guy did that makes everyone shout "racist!" in every post/news report about him. He is/was the CEO of Breitbart right? And people are trying to put some spin on it like Breitbart is the unofficial media outlet of the "Alt Right" (which I don't even believe is a real thing, "Alt Right" was just coined by the MSM during Hillarys campaign), so other than that what makes Bannon such a bad guy? Did he do something specific?
ctolsen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The label was invented by the alt-right themselves, specifically by this solid fella, a white nationalist. And Breitbart are happily taking the role of being their outlet.
Bannon has helped spread this for years. Bit immaterial if you hate yourself when you've spent all your effort stirring up others' hate, you're doing the same damage. Even Glenn Beck thinks he's a nutcase.
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:52:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the guy the media has suddenly started to demonize?
Yeah because they were right about literally everything this election cycle, right?
ifistbadgers ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:17:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly is bad about Bannon, please don't link to Huffpo, just tell me succinctly. Thanks <3
imapotato99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:19:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet you had no issues with Huma?
aDAMNPATRIOT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same media who told you Trump was a monster are telling you Bannon is a monster :)
VincentPepper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:36:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry maybe he will hire someone from zero hedge as economic adviser wouldn't that be great.
conjoskel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:08:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if Trump is just still trolling us? And getting all this media coverage? We'll see if Bannon actually gets a real job on the cabinet and not just on this "Transition Team" come Jan 20th.
NiceShotMan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:23:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was always going to happen. Steve Bannon knows how to manipulate Trump. Not that it's particularly hard manipulating someone who is pure ego (hint: flattery works really well), but Bannon has proven himself effective. Watch Putin do the same.
as_above_so_below ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:45:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why link NY times? They've slandered trump from the get go. Everyone knows it's bullshit.
Cerimo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are actually reading the NY Slimes after they were 100% discredited as LYING? WFT my fellow Americans...
fishyfunlife95 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:31:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Say what you will, the man may be a nutcase, but he's not necessarily wrong. Have you not been paying attention man? Do you not see how many people are fed up with the system as it is? Tired of the bullshit that most of these politicians spew, people have had these thoughts for awhile now. The only difference is they didn't do it, because theres a better way. Thats why Trump was elected, Bannon can't do much of shit on his own. It'll be up to Trump to decide if its the right way to go forward.
I believe, and I can be wrong. Maybe he wont be as inherently bad as you think. Theres one thing Bannon can bring to the discussion that most people can't being he's so anti-establishment, and thats a unique perspective on the current situation.
Edit: this is only relative to what you posted and the views expressed by Bannon in those comments. Not in regards to the man himself or any of his views on other people. As others have made mention of "anti-semitism" and such remarks. I don't know enough about the man or that media company. Just so everyone knows.
SquishyDelishy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL
Tacsol5 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do understand that Trump is his own man right? He will take what Bannon has to say with a grain of salt and make decisions based on input he receives from more than just him. He's nobodies puppet whether you like to believe that or not.
neonKow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, his own man that hand-picked a terrible human being to be his advisor. It's not like Bannon is a coworker that Trump just happens to work with; the fact that he chose the man says a lot about what he values.
Ill_Pack_A_Llama ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:25:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just remember though, for him to be a good potus, his appointments are going to have to serve just as well because they're his picks. Giuliani, Carson, Palin etc.
I think the global expectations for him will be more than exceeded just as they were when George W got in.
toga-Blutarsky ยท 307 points ยท Posted at 18:42:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a staunch Bernie supporter but I've realized that he's going to be the only bridge that the GOP has into the 21st century. I personally think he's gross and greedy and his transition team is a joke of more lobbyists but he's the culture shock that the GOP really needs before they can modernize.
I used to believe that Bernie winning the nomination and presidency would solve everything like a beautiful fairy tale but the GOP has been nothing but a road block. Until the GOP can stop Bible thumping and screaming about Obamacare we're only going to see more gridlock. Maybe president-elect Cheeto can get their shit in gear about abortion, gay rights, and patching up infrastructure rather than just more heel dragging.
shiny_gengar ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 18:59:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
But Pence, what seems to be a deal to reassure the evangelical gop'ers, seems to be a red flag that not much is going to be done. Unless Trump steps up and does "shift gears" this administration is looking like a usual super evangelical Republican one sadly.
toga-Blutarsky ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:30:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence is my biggest worry too. If Giuliani becomes Attorney General we can kiss a lot of prison and drug reform goodbye as well.
averhan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:19:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, Giuliani wants to be Secretary of State now. :/
maxToTheJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God i hope that dude becomes republican Hillary Clinton
TheGreatRoh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trey Gowdey.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He'll have to lock in a haircut and I'm not sure he is ready to commit to that.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:03:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's Pence that worries me. He's always been staunchly against planned parenthood and he's a hardcore Catholic, so I'm not sure how everything's going to go.
OctaShot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence left the Church and is now an Evangelical, sadly. It was funny (in a sad way) to watch him out-Catholic an actual practicing Catholic though.
Socially, he would be fine in my book if he drops the "zap the gay away" thing and actually does something to protect those with homosexual attractions while getting rid of the oxymoron that is gay "marriage".
I'd love a solid Catholic candidate but sadly those are not only hard to come by but also hard to elect due to the anti-Catholoc bigotry prevalent in the USA.
Original_Hobro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:35:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is gay marriage an oxymoron?
OctaShot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:34:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Marriage, by its very nature, can only be between a man and a woman. This is a metaphysical reality. The two complementary sexes voluntarily come together in an unbreakable union in order to become one flesh through consummation. Marriage exists because men and women exist. If only men or only women existed, marriage would not be necessary because the function of marriage would not exist.
The purpose of marriage is rooted in the purpose of our reproductive system. Sex is to be enjoyed by married couples for the purpose of unity and must also be open to reproduction. Through sex, a new human life is created at conception. This new life, once it leaves the womb, needs to be taken care of until it can sustain itself on its own. This is where the family comes in. Both men and women have distinct characteristics that are required for a family. A man cannot be a mother and a woman cannot be a father. Therefore, family is rooted in marriage. I could go on about how society is rooted in family but I think you get the point.
The idea that the Supreme Court can redefine marriage is as absurd as an alchemist claiming that he has transmuted lead into gold by renaming "lead" to "gold".
Edit: You might appreciate this blog written by a gay Catholic.
Original_Hobro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:03:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your response. I hope to have a meaningful conversation as I am genuinely interested to hear your viewpoint. Please do not see the following as an attack on your beliefs, but more of a discussion.
You mentioned that marriage by its nature can only be between a man and woman, which is strange considering that marriage, unlike gold, is not natural. It is a human social paradigm that yes, was designed to be between a man and woman, but just like we have understood laws created centuries ago were flawed and have been redefined, we can choose to change the design of marriage.
The notion of family is also a human design. Very few creatures express the need for a family, especially ones spearheaded by both a male and female role. Family, and mother and father figures can also be redefined. What is it you believe a male parent can provide that a female cannot and vice versa? I ask you this also, if a mother dies leaving only a father and child, with no female representation, does this cease to be a family?
Thank you for your time.
OctaShot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I too would like to have a civil discussion, which is a breath of fresh air around these parts. Asking the hard questions is how we get to truth, and I will support and encourage anyone who is striving towards truth. Just know that I myself don't have all the answers to all your questions. I may have a source here or there, or some basic information, that can point you in the right direction though. The folks at /r/Catholicism may be able to give you a more complete understanding of this side of the argument. I'm very much outside of my element on this topic.
I think that marriage is natural. Even before it was raised to the level of Sacrament by Christ, it existed in some form or another. Depending on how you date it, certain books of the Old Testament go back to 10 BC- 6 BC so we know marriage existed that far back. I'm not familiar enough with Mesopotamia and the origin of civilization to make any claim that goes beyond the dates I provided though. I highly doubt that marriage goes back further than civilization itself though I could be wrong.
Humans are not to be judged by the actions of non-rational animals. Something that either is or is not found in the animal kingdom has no bearing on the human situation since humans are created in the image of God. The family is the basic unit of society. Humans as social beings have their first interactions with their parents who are largely responsible for shaping their child in their most vulnerable days.
For the specific roles of men and women as father and mother, I'd encourage you to look at studies (which I can't link or name so take it with a grain of salt, my memory could be failing me) on the effects of raising children in a single parent household. The negative effects of such situations can be mitigated by having someone on the outside act as a father/mother figure but to what extent I do not know. Keep that in mind when assessing their research methodology. Evolutionary psychology may also provide some insights.
A biological family does not cease to be a family with the death of a member. There are also other families outside of the biological one. Monks who live in monasteries see each other as brothers. They live together, work together and pray together, sometimes changing their names upon entering the order. I would say that they are a family. I would also say that humans are also family to each other as we are all created by God in His image. But notice that while I'm using the same word, the meaning slightly changes in each instance. I don't know how to properly define or categorize these different usages.
I hope I have made sense with this post. Thank you for taking the time to read and inquire into my thought process. I would encourage you to look into other sources that would probably do a much better job than me on this topic. As I have already said, this isn't exactly my strongest area of knowledge.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So...gay marriage is an oxymoron because you said so. Got it.
RULINGCHAOS ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with being against an organization founded in racism?
babyoctopus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:31:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, thats a little disingenuous because Pence isn't against it for those reasons.
You're allowed to have your own personal opinion on it, of course. However the fact is PP provides necessary healthcare, family planning, and sex/reproductive education. They service over 4.5 million people worldwide on a yearly basis, with 2.5 million of these being Americans. They largely focus on providing preventative sexual and reproductive healthcare (pap smears, breast exams) and preventing unwanted pregnancy through birth control. They prevent nearly 600,000 unwanted pregnancies annually.
Again, you're allowed to have your own opinion on the matter. Plenty of people, myself included, believe PP does important and necessary work and would not like to see the organization gutted.
IamMrT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why he picked Pence. How much influence will the VP actually have?
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know he picked Pence because he needed an inroad to the Bible Belt, as far as Pence goes he is a non-issue unless Trump dies
NorwegianSteam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence was picked as assassination insurance. If you kill Trump, you're stuck with Pence.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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someguywithanaccount ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Trump has said there are a lot of issues that he's fairly indifferent toward, and he wants Pence to be something of a "CEO" and manage those types of decisions. Pence has the power to be very influential in the same way Cheney was over Bush.
Tacsol5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:15:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean by societal progress?
jjjaaammm ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:55:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The just kicked all the lobbyists out of the transition team.
ducksizedduck ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:04:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only two of them I thought. NPR just published a background piece on some of the current members. Here Still quite some lobbyists, bankers, consultants and more of the regular 'in-crowd'.
KurtSTi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:36:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-transition-team-lobbyists-2016-11
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:45:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheKillerToast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:14:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that is why every sane person laughed at him promising to do that
jjjaaammm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm reading conflicting reports - but we will have to see when all is said and done. He has Washington insiders and it's "Trump is a hypocrite," he has only outsiders and it's, "Trump woefully unprepared to lead."
ColeopteranCrosswalk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NPR is bullshit propaganda for retards who want to feel smart.
toga-Blutarsky ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source? Because all he's done so far was pull Christie out and leave all the lobbyists in position.
jjjaaammm ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:12:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/306309-pence-removes-lobbyists-from-trump-transition-team
Honestly though, I don't know what to believe because I have never witnessed such whipsaw wild speculation in the press before. It is at heights unseen.
toga-Blutarsky ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:21:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit I stand corrected. I'm just trying to remain positive through a Trump presidency and a GOP majority because it looks pretty gloomy for a long time. Maybe kicking lobbyists out could become his saving grace.
mrstickball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rumor is that he sacked Christie and torched his entire team because of the BridgeGate stuff.. Going even further, he may end up prosecuting Christie for letting his own guys take the fall instead of himself.
jjjaaammm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:28:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man - I am un-apologetically a Trump fan. I can't predict what he will do, but I think he will surprise a lot of people.
If you told me that an independent candidate with no ties to big business, elected officials or special interests, spending a third of the money of any recent successful campaign, was up against someone taking millions in corporate and foreign cash with deep ties to wall street, and left would be championing the latter, I would never believe it.
FrankWestingWester ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:40:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you even say this? He IS big business. He's one of the most known businessmen in the world. It's crazy to say he doesn't have ties to big business when his businesses will be running while he is president and making policies that will effect his businesses.
jjjaaammm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was a failed businessman?
In all seriousness, there are big businesses, and there is "Big Business." Fortune 100 companies make the Trump Organization look like a mom and pop outfit.
The Clintons have personally made tens of million of dollars off of Big Business while representing the public, and hundreds of millions from Big Business and foreign governments on behalf of their personal organization in which they failed to provide any meaningful firewall between their public duties.
You can make a valid argument about the Trump organization, however, he is not president yet and until an actual conflict exists, it is convenient to focus on that while ignoring the point I was actually making.
If Trump uses the presidency to operationally enrich the Trump organization I offer the same condemnation to him as I do the Clintons.
My guess is he will follow Mike Bloomberg's path and successfully distance himself from his namesake organization while in office.
JagerBaBomb ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a token move to placate the media (and the liberals among us) but it was only ever a gesture--the real scumdogs are still in there.
bobsp ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:09:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just fired all lobbyists from his transition team after pseudo-shitcanning Christie.
Eques9090 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:37:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What in the hell would make you think he's going to cause the GOP to "get their shit in gear" for the 21st century? So far he's appointed climate change deniers and a white supremacist, talked about how Roe v. Wade will be appealed, and his vice president is as conservative as conservative gets. I can see no evidence he's going to change the GOP's outlook on any of the things you mentioned.
toga-Blutarsky ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:41:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Trump was a Dem until 2009. Just look at his interviews after the election ended. All those wall building speeches? Now they're just going to remain fences. Not wanting to go after Obamacare. Not wanting to repeal LGBT laws. Wanting states to decide on weed. Trump may be pretty gross but he knew exactly how to manipulate his voting base.
His cabinet scares the shit out of me though.
Eques9090 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:49:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it matters at all what Trump really believes. That's why he's scary. I don't think he really wants the job, and he's going to delegate more than any president in history. One of his first apparent questions after winning was how much time he actually has to spend in the White House. And so far the people he's going to delegate to are terrifying, and in compete control with no checks and balances.
It's also worth noting that there's no reason to believe his more liberal positions were any more real than his conservative ones. He was a big city real estate developer. He may have judged at the time that it was politically expedient to be liberal then, and politically expedient to be conservative now. Who the fuck knows what he actually believes.
EverybodyLikesSteak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:57:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa? Really? Do you have a source on that?
Eques9090 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:10:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-plans-to-split-time-between-white-house-and-his-new-york-penthouse-trump-election-a7413721.html
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need to invent a machine where we can get in both their heads right before the election and honestly gauge their confidence thru the night. Gonna need a time machine too.
daoistic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering he wants abortion to be decided at the state level and Obamacare only works with the mandate...you might not want to get too cheery too soon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the lobbyist were fired from his transition team.
qwaszxedcrfv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gridlock is how government is supposed to work.
Slow stable changes.
Imagine if change came quick and easy. The nation would be a disaster after every election.
coldmtndew ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if they start agreeing with everything I do they won't be bad!!! /s
toga-Blutarsky ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:15:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The GOP needs to change before the US can move forward and it's only going to happen internally. The biggest blockade to advancing healthcare, education, environmental concerns, human rights, and infrastructure has and always will be the GOP in the US. If they can budge even one inch then it's going to be a miracle but we desperately need them to evolve.
I despise Trump and everything he has ever worked towards. But he's not stupid and he knows that the GOP is dangerously out of touch. The only salvation I can think of for his presidency is being able to modernize their decrepit platform.
FedoraFerret ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:22:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always believed that in an ideal world the Democrats would be the voice of idealism and the gap would be the voice of practicality, and to some extent a lot of their members are like that. For instance, I know several Republicans who want to reform and partially privatize Social Security, not because raw big government, but because the system as it is essentially sitting on a bubble ready to burst. I believe you are correct that if the GOP can get away from their current anti-progress message and towards a "progress, but responsibly" one, then government can actually work again
zachij ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Can you explain the gay right thing to me please? Because ive always know him to support it? Hes even reiterated it recently....all the while Hillarys last 'official' statement was that marriage was between a man and woman.
Edwardian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he needs to focus on things like patching up and improving infrastructure, maybe some high speed rail even! Let's face it that social issues are not the main focus of his administration, and fixing all the gay rights in the world won't bring jobs back to the US from China and Mexico.
Not that social issues aren't important, but we've had 8 years of focusing on those (a lynchpin of the Democratic platform) but now the Republicans have won, and they're going to focus on their platform of more job growth at the expense of social programs.
toga-Blutarsky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:53:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What scares me is that blue-collar workers elected him and he knows that he has to cater his platform to them and only them. Manufacturing jobs in the US are dying and for good reason. It simply costs less money to manufacture overseas and ship it back to the US. Even Trump knows that much. If he wants to prop up manufacturing jobs without pushing for higher minimum wage or labor rights then it's a course for disaster.
If he can willingly come out and tell America that it's time to move into a new economic future based around IT rather than manufacturing I think he could do more for the economy than anyone in a long time. But I'm hesitant. He made an entire platform about bringing back manufacturing but it's just not feasible. We can't bring back those manufacturing jobs and acting like we can is only going to push us further back.
I'd give anything to see more full-scale infrastructure development like under FDR or Eisenhower. If they stick to their guns and only want to tackle LGBT rights or planned parenthood like the past decade then it's nothing more than a wasted opportunity.
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He claims he wants to do the infrastructure... we will see... you're right though, other than implementing large tariffs, nothing will bring manufacturing from a low cost to high cost environment.
thatissomeBS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, if he builds high speed rail from where I'm at to Vegas, I'll take the first trip out and stay at Trump Tower.
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Around here we want the line from Chattanooga to Atlanta!
intensely_human ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhere in the back of my mind I keep imagining this scenario where Trump is like "Space seems neat. Have a 10x budget upgrade, NASA".
toga-Blutarsky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can only hope. He doesn't seem to care about government spending as long as he can stimulate economic growth and I can only hope that means the GOP can stop bullshitting about being "small government."
intensely_human ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea of a small government that spends a lot of money.
As far as I'm concerned, government should be small in terms of complexity, not necessarily budgets.
dnick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, since they've somehow figured out how to withstand the ramifications of their obviously 'obstructionist only' strategy, maybe they do need to melt down from within before anything can change.
Sean1479 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think it's just the GOP doing that you're mistaken it's the Democrats also they say one thing and run ten things around you. At least the republicans give you a handshake and an upfront answer before fucking you while the dens go around back and do it sneakily.
kuroisekai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so you're saying republicans should become democrats?
toga-Blutarsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No not at all. Their focus should be moving away from social issues. There's nothing small government about restricting abortion or gay rights.
Audityne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He fired all the lobbyists recently
badfishtaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was reading here yesterday that they cleared house of all the lobbyists that Christie had appointed?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He chose a dvd for tonight
PunishedMobius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I hope that the Democrats don't resort to those same heel dragging tactics in the future.
PabstyLoudmouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AS far as I can tell both Dems and Reps want infrastructure repair. Our bridges are in terrible shape, and we built so fast in the 60's and 70's we cannot go that fast with the regulations we have today. But many are there for a reason.
But you know what, people hate construction if they have to drive through it, and then begin to hate infrastructure projects.
monsto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Won't happen.
Trump's win is the first returns from the investment made at the terrible gerrymandering enacted by the 2010 republican lead congress. Several of those redrawings have been overturned by courts, but by horribly breaking things up to their advantage, the electoral college votes went the way they wanted.
And unless there's HUGE changes in peoples menatality in 2020, to make everything go Democratic, it's only going to get worse.
babno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He fired all the lobbyists and Christie a day or two ago.
AscendentReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lost a lot of my trust for Bernie Sanders when he proposed that ludicrous increase of minimum wage to 15$. Yeah, that's not what capitalism stands for, and is honestly not good for economy unless it is done through a more gradual process.
toga-Blutarsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just remember that that proposal was meant to be dialed back when it came to actual negotiations much like other politicians. The US wouldn't jump to $15 minimum wage overnight. But Bernie Sanders does want to see a raise in minimum wage and quite frankly it's time. $7.25/hour is abysmal but $15/hour isn't practical. A more fair negotiated wage would fit very comfortably at $10/hour and that was exactly what Bernie was aiming for.
AscendentReality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which makes sense. Even if he said 15 in , maybe, what, 6 7 years. That'd be legitimate.
I just find he has a lot of policies, at least to me who works in a bank, to be, highly impractical and unrealistic.
If the intention was based around what you are saying, then I think that's pretty smart actually.
As a side note, during the election, my other concern with Bernie is that, I believed that he wouldn't be able to deal and sway with republic house and senate, which is pretty much what happened to Obama.
YellowMinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is such a refreshing and thought provoking point of view. I too, find Trump to be a gross person with garbage constantly spewing from his mouth. Still, this gives me some hope.
Throwawaymyheart01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was the biggest reason I can think of that he's a good republican president. Many people I know are republicans who have become disgusted with the party being taken over by super religious bigots who don't focus on personal liberties outside of gun ownership anymore. I'm thrilled that if we got a republican president that at least he's not one of the holy rollers we've gotten to "choose" from in the past. I think before he ran for president no one would have ever classified trump as a crazy Christian like most other republican candidates.
I don't like or dislike trump more than Hillary but I do like trump more than most republican candidates. I wish it could have been trump vs Bernie to give both parties a wake up call but hopefully Hilary's loss will show democrats that everyone is ready for modern candidates.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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toga-Blutarsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No? Where did you get that idea?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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toga-Blutarsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reread my first sentence again where I explicitly say if he won the nomination and the election. I never mentioned the primary or the party stabbing him in the back. C'mon at least put some effort into reading.
zachij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:38 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe you could put more effort into replying? I asked you about your comments in regards to Trump patching up his views on gay rights. I would love for you to clarify what position of his you are referring to instead of ignoring my question and cherry picking others.
toga-Blutarsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:25 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to fill out 4 paragraphs for the 20+ replies I have.
zachij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:49 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh so just the ones you have answers for? But thats OK no worries just a quick fact or quote from him will do. Just so I dont think you are a fact twisting hysteria spreader. Cheers!
PM_ME_YOUR_LUKEWARM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:11 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the GOP (grand ol' party) modernized their views, they would be dems.
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toga-Blutarsky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a second. You can't get all the information in the span of two days.
mrstickball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Christie was head of the transition team for months. He was appointed shortly after Trump's nomination. at the RNC.
Tylerjb4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you realize half of the country share those views and don't want to go in a progressive direction. It would "fix everything" for half of us, but make life worse for the other half. Stand by what you believe in, but never forget there are other opinions and out there and there is not a true right and wrong with almost anything
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toga-Blutarsky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Neat, why does that invalidate any of my points? Are you gonna refute me because I prefer the color orange to green while we're at it?
Edit: your history says you're 18 and Canadian for that matter.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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toga-Blutarsky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your history says you're 18 and it really shows. There's so much angst and misinformation in your reply that I don't even know where to begin.
What's your proof of socialism devolving into chaos? The higher standard of living that they have? Or the fact that no country is even considered to be socialist?
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toga-Blutarsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Do you not even understand what the differences are between Marxism, Maoism, and Socialism?
Edit: your second link is supposed to be of the Communist party in China but you linked to the one in Taiwan instead. Maybe we could use some more investment in our education after all, no?
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jayohh8chehn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try reading instead about Democratic Socialism
Blue_Dragon360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
stopped reading there
KingofCraigland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
stopped reading there.
Noggin-a-Floggin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a leftist who supported Bernie (and really hopes Elizabeth Warren runs one day) and, realistically, I knew the GOP was going to stonewall Bernie so hard it would make Obama cringe. I mean, Bernie is an out socialist and look at all the shit Obama got because people merely thought he could be one.
He isn't the cure the GOP needs to stop being a fucking brick wall to progress, it has to be Trump. Here is a guy who ran for the GOP nomination without the party's consent, fired up their pissed-off base (when no one else could) and is likely going to do whatever he wants. The congressional GOP is going to freak out once Trump's concrete platform materializes and maybe someone will rise out of the ashes who works with Dems. I hope.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is the most likely to work with Dems I mean just look at his take on Obamacare he thinks it is a failure which it was not the best laid plans. He said he was going to abolish it but in his 60 minutes interview he is keeping some very core values found in Obamacare
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have not read news in the past few hours. Has Trump picked anyone for his Cabinet yet?
Conjwa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The non-hysterical bias answer is: No. He has not picked anyone for his Cabinet yet.
SlowRollingBoil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His transition team is a shambles and mainly filled with people not qualified for the job but rather billionaires with only profit motives.
/r/politics has a ton of articles posted about the transition team, EPA appointments, etc. Nothing about Trump or his team's qualifications give me even a modicum of faith in their ability to govern.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally with you. Just saying that he hasn't made any "recent Cabinet appointments" - I have total faith that they will all be either unqualified, out of place or just scary.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He recently "fired" the lobbyist, or so I heard today. I plan on reading up once I get off work.
Spider_pig448 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His sudden shift in ideals shows he's been very manipulative the last year and that we have no idea what to expect from him. Both of those are concerning.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:42:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The manipulation thing is crap. Hillary did the same thing, Obama did it, Bush did it, most every president ever did it. Hell, going through Hillary's emails has shown how manipulative she is.
I agree with the sudden shift part, but manipulation is how you get elected.
Spider_pig448 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:52:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your examples are all different than Trump. Most politicians, definitely including Hillary, play their positions with whatever the polls indicate people want to hear. Trump took that to the extreme though; people are suggesting that his entire presence while campaigning was a facade. Saying what people want to hear is bad but pretending to be a completely different person is straight up manipulation. It's like pretending to like a hobby to get a girl vs lying about everything about you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you read any of Hillary's emails? She only supported gay marriage because it was good for her political career. She has a pretty poor opinion on black people. Hell look at her past actions. She slut shamed anyone who said they were harassed by Bill (yes it was her husband, but she still did something awful). Her super predator speech was atrocious. And she supports Saudi despite saying she cares about women's rights, and that's manipulative as shit either way you look at it (she's lying to one group or the other).
I'm sorry, but Trump played the same game as Hillary with the same rules, and outplayed her.
Spider_pig448 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even close. We literally have no idea what we could expect from Trump at this point.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't disagree with you that Trump is an unknown. Doesn't change the fact that Hillary was manipulating the voters.
queenbrewer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:46:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What sudden shift in ideals? Replacing Christie with let's use AIDS funding to shock gays straight Pence? Or naming the head of the RNC and the head of Breitbart.com as his two most powerful advisers?
Don't be made a fool by the PR machine in Trump's transition team.
Gauss-Legendre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... /s?
Are you not following the ridiculous nonsense that is his cabinet and staff appointments?
Or that his transition team proposed a national registry of Muslims?
What shift in ideals are you talking about?
mecrosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It ain't called political theater for no reason.
Snow_Knows_Nothing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, it's this kind of shit that wins Trump a presidency. Weak minded, easily shifted fools like this motherfucker.
VriskyS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even vote yet, I kind of put this down as bait, but I still don't believe in the bulk of his ideas, especially recent ones.
Snow_Knows_Nothing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok fair enough. Age doesn't come through over the internet obviously. I think there's a difference between being young and exploring ideas and being an undecided voter after having actively seen 4 election cycles.
I'm glad that you're participating and actively looking to understand issues.
SadGhoster87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Homestuck reference and ASOIAF reference having a conversation, this is great
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He appointed Steve fucking bannon
Please age to be more critical of things
CDfm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's usually politicians with missions that mess things up and then go oops when the world doesn't work how they want it too. He might well surprise us.
CharlestonChewbacca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the way you present them is arguably the most important part of being president...
sr71Girthbird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He hasn't shifted on anything whatsoever. He appealed to the people he needed to appeal to to gain votes. Said whatever he needed to say. The vast majority of what he said while campaigning were just words, there was never any planned action behind them. He has been moderate to liberal on social issues his entire life, judging him on comments in the past 6 months is just stupid.
ktappe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A person is who they surround themselves with. Mr. Trump is not selecting very nice people for his transition team.
TR4VlS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm totally on board with you. Very cautious of his character, but awkwardly optimistic I guess.
PiKappaFratta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOOK AT WHO HIS PICKS FOR HIS CABINET ARE. you are fooling yourself. Wall Street execs, climate change deniers, and his own family. You think he gives a damn about the people who voted him in? He's laughing at how hard he just conned America.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is, his ideals might shift right the fuck back. Especially when you look at the cabinet he's appointing.
America has no idea who they elected. Literally no one can tell you exactly what this man will do.
Derwos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand some of his ideas. Some of them are good. Others sound half-baked and stupid.
hebroslion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We choose to go to New Zealand in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because Samoans are so strong."
AerMarcus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which us why there are all these things saying you can't trust him. It's the sudden shifts that he makes all the time.
Feel free to correct.
vinnipuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Sudden shift in ideals". Care to explain? His Cabinet line up does not exactly support that statement.
BigBankHank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's one very simple reason that he won't be a good president: he's a textbook grandiose narcissist. By definition he cannot work well with others.
Seriously, google it. I worked for a wealthy narcissist for a year. He was a disaster of a human being despite having had success in business. He went to the same business school as Trump, coincidentally, and almost got kicked out. He would fly into a rage, fire off emails without thinking about the consequences, then try to pass it off as management. He would recount with pride the time a co-worker spit in his face, and tell us we needed to toughen up...
When you have this pathology, you are totally predictable. Input X always yields output Y.
GNs are adults with the psyche of a 5-yo. They are pathologically insecure and incapable of stepping into someone else's shoes -- which, I'd argue, is essential for competent leadership.
Of course I hope for the best, but it's impossible to deny that this is his diagnosis. Knowing that, we can reliably predict how he will "lead." It won't be pretty.
tnoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does a sudden shift in ideals sound like a good president to you?
Levitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll wait to see the kind of thing he does to be honest.
No 'he thinks X', no 'he said Y', I'll just wait and see, I've got 4 years, and a preemptive opinion isn't going to matter, I'll just wait and see.
Hoping it:s good though.
WikiWantsYourPics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you realise that he's asked for his son-in-law to be given security clearance to attend his briefings? I don't think that he gets that nepotism is bad.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is flip-flopping a good quality now?
monsto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a video the other day that mostly reset me up to zero with him. "Trump Will Smash Hillary"..
When it comes to Putin, I described a meeting of the two as "A former officer in the KGB sitting across the table from the Chief Marketing Officer of a mildly successful corporation".
After watching that video, I decided that my description of Trump was reasonably accurate... and then he brought his marketing experience to bear during the campaign.
If that is truly the case, then he is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. He entered an arena that he knew nothing about, opened a playbook that his opponents knew nothing about, and then stuck to that plan for well over a calendar year. He made everyone else play his game instead of him playing their game.
Granted, people think he's an utter moron, but if he's as informed and politically strategic as your average 3 term representative, then a lot of people are going to make the same mistake Hillary did and greatly underestimate him.
The question is "what is he going to do with this stealth power?" Is he going to demand other countries build walls and walk back climate change agreements? Or is he going to settle Syria and reduce the trade deficit?
LoveBurstsLP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if Trumps a nice guy with nice goals but just had to play the asshole because he knew that's what wins?
HenryKushinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like appointing someone who runs a white supremacist news organization to chief strategist?
downvoted_your_mom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how trump supporters just brush over all his racism and sexism and say "hmmm he might be a good president"
VriskyS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap this comment blew up. 815 points and growing...
goldishblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like being xenophobic and against minority rights? You understand that? Understand defending Planned Parenthood and leaving kids without health coverage?
highlife64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:50 on November 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Setting standard low. Smart.
mudbutt20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believed that at first too. We finally got that pivot we were waiting for. However, have you seen what his cabinet is looking like? That is even scarier in my opinion.
twelveparsex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a staunch Bernie supporter that voted for Hillary, I was willing to give him a shot all the way up until Steve Banon
sirblastalot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:21:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't pay attention to what he says, look at what he does. Right now he's appointing staff and his supreme Court nomination, and his supreme court pick wants to make gay sex illegal. And don't get me started on Pence.
ThiefOfDens ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't listen to what he says, look at what he does. His policy advisors and prospective cabinet picks so far are fucking terribad. The big news today in /r/politics was an article in the UK Independent talking about Trump's team discussing a Muslim registry ffs.
VriskyS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I looked that up after I heard about it...
NoseDragon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, sure. If you ignore his economic ideas, his plans for the environment, and his prejudice rhetoric... he might just be okay.
At least he's kind of gotten Christianity out of the spotlight for Republicans.
Hindu_Wardrobe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah such shift in ideals http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-registry-immigrants-policy-kris-bobach-reinstate-wall-a7420296.html
SadGhoster87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talk about sudden shift in ideals, miss paralyze your best friend then go off to save the universe.
it's a reference
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly why I like him. I really want to see what happens when the status quo is shaken up.
WikiWantsYourPics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he's testing the limits of nepotism already. Asking for his son-in-law to be given clearance to join his security briefings is beyond dodgy.
chsp73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said he didn't ask for that
WikiWantsYourPics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To quote Mandy Rice-Davies, "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" And given his track record with honesty, I'm more inclined to believe NBC News than his protestations on Twitter.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump knows exactly what he's doing, campaign Trump is vastly different from campaign trump. He literally wrote a book on how to manipulate the media.
redskins91 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:24:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
see guys he isnt so terrible after all
kcg5 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:44:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally believable, not the assholeish type response we all expected. Well done, Donald.
[deleted] ยท 260 points ยท Posted at 21:33:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Dad met him at one of his golf courses, he was just walking around, walked up to my Dad and his friends, they asked him for a picture and he was glad to do it. My Dad described him as one of the nicest people he's met, and he's met some pretty cool people.
[deleted] ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 22:01:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I use to work at Shea Stadium (NY Mets). Trump came in with another guy. Couldn't have been nicer.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:20:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make Mets Great Again! sigh
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:29:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's great idea for a hat.
Tufflaw ยท 1535 points ยท Posted at 17:43:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe 23 years ago I was taking a class in college where we had to go to a city planning meeting. The one I went to they were discussing some Trump project, and many of the locals were unhappy about it. So there's some talking and arguing, and then Trump walks in. It was a crowded room but everyone realized when he came in. One thing I noticed was how big he was - not fat, just like larger than life. He's tall, but there was something about him that made him seem even bigger.
Anyway, at one point some lady was literally screaming right at him and he was standing there not even looking at her, it was hilarious.
So I had the opportunity to go up to him and ask him to autograph a copy of the meeting agenda. I gave him my pen, which was weirdly designed. It had a cap on it, but the bottom had a silver thing that looked like a button but wasn't. So he's pushing it like it's a button and can't get the pen to work, so I took the cap off and he signed the agenda. This was pre-Apprentice, so no "you're fired" just his name. And then I lost his autograph almost immediately. And that's my story.
redditplsss ยท 643 points ยท Posted at 20:35:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy FUCK, I just googled his height and he is 6'3!? Wtf, is he one of the tallest presidents we ever had?
XboxNoLifes ยท 652 points ยท Posted at 20:52:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oldest president and third tallest.
Atomo500 ยท 296 points ยท Posted at 21:05:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oldest president going into first term. Reagan was older during his second term
xXWaspXx ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 23:08:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took me longer than I care to admit to figure out how that works
Koneesha24 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:22:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. Me too
ionyx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still can't figure it out :(
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fulcrum_security ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:12:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes people make me wonder if they're just very young or genuinely dim, but we all have our brain-fart moments and slow days
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c0braz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was insulting u cuz u got it wrong lol!!!
ionyx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:12 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot the third option: super baked.
ionyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:33 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for explaining this and not being a dick about it :)
Koneesha24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's saying that at this point in time, Regan will still be the oldest president because he was 77 by the end of his second term.
Regan was younger when first elected, but he is still the oldest president we have ever had to date.
Dinkir9 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:53:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm not mistaken he's also the wealthiest president ever elected.
So if Trump gets reelected he'll be the oldest president in history? I swear neither him or Reagan looked like they were that old, Reagan a little bit, but Trump looks 55-60. Not 70!
Koneesha24 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:03:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get this.
Trump is 70, and so is Bill Clinton. Hillary is 69.
That's crazy because he looks way younger.
nagurski03 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:42:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't smoke or drink so I guess that helps. What really blows my mind is that he is only 5 years younger than Bernie Sanders.
RudeMorgue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill is really starting to show his age. Hillary, too, but not to the same degree.
xXWaspXx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:52 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She looks better on the outside, except for when she collapses
fatlazar123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump does not smoke or drink so there's that
State_of_Iowa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he does. And even if anybody agrees... he hasn't been in politics for long, and that changes your looks quickly.
rdogg4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh no he means Trump older than Reagan was when he was elected in 1980. However Reagan was also (re)elected in 84 at 73 years old, making him the oldest man to be elected President.
Koneesha24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what I said in different words. haha
rdogg4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's close but because the distinction is age at election not when they left office. Plenty of presidents were older than Donald by the time they left office. Donald is the oldest to be become president. Reagan was 73 in 84, making him the oldest to be elected to the president.
gozzling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as I realized I didn't know how it works I just stopped. Kudos to you for actually figuring it out. :)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reagan also got Alzheimer's
ExtraCheesyPie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:46 on December 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, he will soon be the oldest president in second term as well.
Heemoglobin ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:29:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird I wonder why they never mentioned that. Seems like an easy thing to attack him on
cinepro ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 21:52:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When
you'reyour other options are Bernie or Hillary, age and health aren't exactly what you want to lead your attacks with.Edit: Sorry.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:28:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
clinton couldnt handle stairs without assistance. they were not gonna go there.
Mach_Two ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 22:31:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hnnngg
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:55:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I AM other options, what's it to ya?
Tig3rShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am all other options on this blessed day!
745631258978963214 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way too predictable. :(
dstaller ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 21:52:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea really considering everyone attacked Bernie for being what...74? 75? Only a few years older than Trump and Hillary.
the_number_2 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 22:34:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference, as I see it, is that everyone was aware of Bernie's age. Trump doesn't really show it.
Marty_McF1y ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 23:14:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he looks early 60s, late 50s.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:20:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie's hairline lost him the election
Crevis05 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... I think the hairline played into his whole persona.
http://imgur.com/gallery/4yDhYAe
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering he was in show business before the election , it's possible he used plastic surgery or botox. Thats not an attack on Trump, that's just a common thing in show business.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no no... he looks early 70s, but he has the energy of someone much younger... whether you agree with him or not, he did a lot of rallies and campaigning.
hurpington ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:49:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is Trump is high energy
Tufflaw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:42:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but to be fair, Bernie's looked the same for the last 30 years
nagurski03 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He does have pretty high energy for an older fella
Talk_with_a_lithp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:21:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Age wouldn't have been an issue for Bernie, I don't think, but the optics of it look bad, unfortunately.
dstaller ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:23:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it wouldn't have been an issue. Thing is that didn't stop it from being one of the most used excuses from ignorant people on why he shouldn't have been president. "Oh he'll be dead before he finishes his term"
DepravedMutant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:01 on November 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people liked that Bernie came off like a hard working old Jewish guy who didn't really give a shit what he looked like anymore.
rammingparu3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is much more spry and "high energy" than Bernie ever was, and attacking Hillary for her age would be sexist!!!
XboxNoLifes ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 21:32:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary is only a year and a half younger.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:41:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, unfortunately for her, looks at least 10 years older.
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:04:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sanders is only 2 years older than Trump, IIRC.
Trump doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't smoke, and doesn't do drugs.
He's basically 70 going on 55.
Yourcatsonfire ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 21:57:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to attack him on other when he had so much stamina. Seriously that man was pulling serious overtime in his last few weeks of the election.
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 00:06:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He does multiple rallies in a day and still manages to shitpost on Twitter at 3-4 AM.
shinypretty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:23:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I swear, he and my mom are on the same "three hours a night" sleep schedule.
I wish my brother had never taught the woman to text. I've told her I use my phone as an alarm for work, but that doesn't stop her from texting me at like 4:30 in the morning to let me know we're expected to bring dip and rolls to Thanksgiving. Uh, thanks, Mom, but honestly that info could have waited until I get up at seven.
Tufflaw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:43:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teach her how to schedule texts
Xearoii ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:58:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How bro
trollingduck_NamLovr ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:37:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
visited 12 states in 12 days
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 23:41:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the while shitposting 24/7. More energy than most millennials.
SuperSMT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:12 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doing 3-5 rallies a day
shinypretty ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:22:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My theory is that "stamina" is why he kept moving during the second (town hall style) debate while Hillary kept retreating to lean on her chair. He literally did not stop moving the entire 90 minutes. It made him appear vital (if you're a conservative) or a creepy prowler (if you're a liberal).
jkdjkdkdk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:18:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like Hillary was out of gas from the primaries, didn't she dump a ton of appearances and then there was the van incident even still.
jrd5497 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:12:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As people said, Hillary is only a year and a half younger, and for his age, President-Elect Trump has an energy that other candidates didn't. coughJebBushcough
Emperorerror ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:20:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
please clap
Anonymo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:27:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Jeb is a big fat mess
jrd5497 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda liked him.
But I didn't vote for him because I believe that if your immediate family (spouse, father, brother, etc.) served as POTUS, you should be barred from it.
shinypretty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:24:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Y'know, the big issue with Yeb! is that I never really got the impression he wanted to be president. He just kinda got shoved onstage because it was expected of him.
He seems like a genuinely nice guy, though.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:25:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In an alternate universe Jeb Bush won in 2000 and George W lost the primaries in 2016.
ItookAnumber4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:23:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, in that universe the zookeeper dropped the gun and Harambe went on an epic killing spree.
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a result, Harambe didn't get 11'00 votes in the general election - they instead went to Giant Meteor, as a result, the Giant Meteor qualified for automatic ballot access in several states.
Uehm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's Jeb!
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shinypretty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you gotta admit, the Guaca Bowle was funny as shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeb Bush wasn't the worst. CoughBenCarsoncough
shinypretty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Yeb!.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:53:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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wingdipper1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more easy to look good when you're that wealthy at any age.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:42:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet Hillary looked 80 and has lived a life of luxury since she was at least 30.
wingdipper1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she looks 80. She looks good for her age but used way too much makeup. And that made her look unnatural.
Xearoii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:58:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is super ugly too
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:05:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more that Trump doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't smoke, and has never done drugs.
Besides his slight penchant for the occasional fast food stop, he appears to be very healthy for someone his age.
wingdipper1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I agree, but having money to fix your teeth for example (which is very expensive) also helps big time to look better. I think Trump invests a lot of time and money in his appearence, don't you think? And he wants to look tanned all the time, which looks orange, but still.
Edit: https://jackbrummet.blogspot.nl/2016/05/what-donald-trump-looks-like-under-tan.html?m=1
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand why people knock a 70 year old man for wanting a fake tan so much.
Sure, it looks silly, but what other options does he have?
He's 70 years old. Actually tanning at his age would without a doubt end in some form of cancer.
wingdipper1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't knock him for it, I like to have a tan myself. His does look a bit orange and unnatural, that's all I'm saying. I don't blame the guy for trying to look better.
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It looks a lot better in natural lighting / outside, honestly.
Artificial lighting makes anyone's fake tans look super oompa-loompa-ey.
wingdipper1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably right about that. Professional makeup for tv makes you look like a ghost in reality while it looks good on tv.
EthericIFF ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:29:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you really can't trust tall people in office.
bluephoenix27 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:50:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary is 69, Trump is 70. And Hillary has lower energy so it wouldn't work out.
ReadsStuff ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:54:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that tall dickhead will probably smash his head on some old fittings. Hills missed some easy ammo.
penultimart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His age? Probably because he's 70 and Hillary is 69. No point really.
lambeau_leapfrog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cause Hillary is a year younger and Sanders is five years older.
It is interesting though. Early in the primaries I was talking to a buddy and commented on how odd it was that nobody was talking about their age (Trump/Clinton/Sanders), whereas in '96 all you heard about was how old Dole was. I realize that it had everything to do with the age discrepancy between Dole and Clinton, but it was often brought up if Dole could/would make it through his term if elected.
cheechnfuxk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he still 6'3 or was in his prime?
XboxNoLifes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was the number off of a quick wikipedia visit. Take it as you may.
Jowitness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strangely enough he doesn't seem as old as he is
bg-j38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny, I remember people saying how crazy it was that we'd elect a 69 year old back when Reagan was elected. To me of course being a little kid that sounded extremely old. But these days 69 really isn't considered particularly old in many circles.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:06:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget, the healthiest at the time of taking office as well, according to the totally legit doctor who is in a line of succession of father son doctors who the trump men go to. So essentially this legit doctor was somehow acutely aware (for one example) of Barack Obama's physical health in 2008 and thinks Donald is doing better in his 70s and totally doesn't have to worry about that genetic Alzheimer's his dad had around this age.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not president yet. Someone may blow his shins off
Tufflaw ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:53:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3rd place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heights_of_presidents_and_presidential_candidates_of_the_United_States
vsync ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:37:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course Wikipedia has a list.
beaverlyknight ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:00:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez I knew Lincoln was first because he was a bit of a freak, but Washington and Jefferson were big guys for their time. I wasn't expecting them to be the same height as me.
hillesheim1992 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:42:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go look at any office setting or factory. Managers and supervisors are always the tall ones. People just like to follow others they can literally look up to.
kingdowngoat ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:56:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is likely why Obama only wanted pictures of them sitting next to each other.
TaxPayer942521 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 10:09:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
obama is still a respectable 6'1
Offthepoint ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:44:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivanka and Melania are both 5'11". Ivana (first wife) was 6 feet tall.
GuidedBySteven ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:01:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not 6'3" any more, probably closer to 6'1". You lose height with age, and he doesn't particularly stand out as being tall in photographs with other people.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:47:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I had no idea he was that tall! I had to see it for myself, damn!
wingdipper1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:27:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Dutchman, not as impressed as you are. Our current prime minister is 5 cm taller.
jkdjkdkdk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Dutch are giants. My best friend in high school was from a large Dutch descended family and he was the runt at 6'2".
xSPYXEx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:50:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People always talk about how much he weighs like he's some obese planetoid, they rarely mention that the dude is pretty damn tall as well.
everythingundersun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:03:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am above 6'3" and I am nowhere near being the president. Sadface.jpg
caninehere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:21:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people don't really notice it on TV. He's often seen with Melania or Ivanka, both of whom are tall (both about 5'9"-5'10"?) and who pretty much always wear heels, so he doesn't look that much taller.
yumcake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:49:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I always pictured him as being around 5'8 or so. Probably for the exact reason you just stated, he's standing next to tall women in heels and most women average around 5'5-5'6.
mousylion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:41:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really weird. I always thought he was a short, stumpy dude.
Throwawaymyheart01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:54:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would have never guessed he was so tall.
s_o_0_n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lincoln was 6'4".
Salt_peanuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:24:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most presidents are over 6'. So it's not unusual. Abraham Lincoln was suuuuper tall.
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lambeau_leapfrog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:32:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Washington is seven feet tall; kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.
odaeyss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6'8 weights a fucking ton
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Six foot 20 and killing for fun
bvcxy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably closer to 6' considering Pence is 5'10:
https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/styles/individual_node_page/public/blog/Trump%20Pence.jpg?itok=pqpx0TxW
variantt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's reasonably average as far as tallness goes isn't it?
Don't know about heights of past presidents though.
TheUproarCalledPanic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:42:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Average adult american male is 5'10".
I vaguely recall some height stats something along the lines of 6'+ puts you in the top 20%, 6'3"+ in the top <5%
variantt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You Americans are fairly short as a nationality.
JAKPiano3412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey cool I'm the same height as the President.
Mortimier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't Lincoln like 6'7"?
iamonlyoneman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Washington was 6'3-and-a-half when they measured him for his coffin. He was another person who was said to have a commanding presence, that folks would notice when he walked into a room.
AkemiDawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lincoln was 6'4. Presidents are tall on average compared to general population.
iamaredditguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:51:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was 6'2 in his prime, shorter now. Google him next to Mark Sanchez who is measured at 6'2
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:42:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah trump is very tall and he wears big suits too that are not tight .. on screen they make him seem short
Volucre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The reason Trump got away with his "little Marco" comments was that Trump is a giant and made Marco Rubio look like a midget -- even though Rubio is actually just a normal guy at around 5'10".
UnitedStateOfDenmark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked as a waiter while they were filming an apprentice episode at one of his golf clubs in NY. I'm 6'3", to OPs point, there's something about him that made him seem way taller than me (I had walked by him a few times). I could've sworn he was 6'5" until I had looked it up.
CommentsRarely ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 22:12:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lincoln was 7' 1".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:54:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was 6'4
Cirrosis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus hat= 7'1
CommentsRarely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sitting down maybe!
chesneyhawks ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:01:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I ask what his level of fame was like 23 years ago and what was he known for? Or was it just always being rich?
Tufflaw ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:17:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah pretty much just for being rich, having buildings/casinos with his name on it. I seem to recall he was in the paper a lot for his lifestyle and romantic entanglements.
shinypretty ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:21:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wondered about his physical size when I saw him next to Hillary. I know she's petite. I would like to see him next to Bill, who's a sizeable dude, just for scale. (I'm curious about irrelevancies like that.)
Booty_Is_Life_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:23:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he was in wwe so I imagine he's a big dude
ImJLu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thing?
People always manage to fuck up when I lend them these pens...
Tufflaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, closer to this: http://www.totalmerchandise.co.uk/uploads/product-images/white_Citizen_Extra_Rollerball_Pens.jpg
Except silver instead of gold, and the thing on the bottom was a little more pronounced so it looked like you could push it. It was a promotional thing I got at an Omega watch seminar. Good pen.
VoyagerCSL ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My own story is below, but what's interesting is that I remember him being SMALLER-than-life. I'm 5'10" and I remember him being shorter than me.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:08:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he's 6'3", so maybe you just met a really good impersonator?
VoyagerCSL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at his private club with people who know him.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:33:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably has a number of decoys and he sent one out to talk to you.
VoyagerCSL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't feel like you're providing real solid advice.
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ilumlia ยท 274 points ยท Posted at 21:01:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in commercial real estate and my boss structured a deal on behalf of Trump.
He called and demanded he speak with Donald and that if he isn't put through immediately she (the assistant) would be looking for a new job in the New York Times tomorrow morning.
The Don got on the line and when my boss pitched him, Trump laughed and loved the tenacity. We met him (I took notes at the meeting) and he was very nice and we ended up working for him, he beat us up on our fee but 99% of our clients do. Overall pleasant experience and a well spoken man when speaking about real estate.
TomBradysmom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:36:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of CRE do you do?
ilumlia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:58:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in Capital Markets. I structure Debt and Equity for commercial properties (multifamily, retail, hospitality, etc).
TomBradysmom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:19:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah cool, I work on the debt side. Fun times
Mooseymoose32 ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 21:20:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've met him on the street before and I asked for a picture which he happily did. But what sucks it was on one of those cheap cameras that are yellow and I left it in the airport on the way home. So sadly that picture is lost now
Ateballoffire ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:04:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
damn yellow
AnotherPint ยท 274 points ยท Posted at 21:48:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Some years ago, I worked on a live TV talk show where Trump was a fairly regular guest.
He liked coming on to expound on business / economics / politics almost at will, and he liked that we were live, with no sneaky post-production editing that might twist his words.
In return, we, the staff, liked having him on, because for us it was basically a night off. Minimal research, no prep. The show basically ran on autopilot and our ratings with Trump were always good.
Trump was what the talk biz calls a "great guest" -- and that's a small pool of people. You'd be surprised how many big stars are terrible guests. Great guests can answer a curveball question on the fly, don't have to have everything scripted in advance, contribute energy to the show... they know their job is to say something provocative to help the show roll forward and assist the host. Trump was all of that.
And -- these were pre-Apprentice days -- he was never anything but friendly and accessible to the show staff. In retrospect he was using us, and all media, to elevate his visibility and star status to the point where he'd be eligible to host an Apprentice-echelon show of his own, but still. We would chat in the makeup room about the state of the financial markets and whether we small fry should pull back or double down. He was always pleasant. Not at all the snarling, babbling cartoon man I started seeing at campaign rallies last year.
EDIT to fix a couple of typos.
cinepro ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:29:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know what you mean about the different kinds of guests. Whenever I see Brad Pitt or Harrison Ford on a talk show, I feel so sorry for the hosts.
prancingElephant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:35:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Harrison Ford a jerk? :(
cinepro ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 01:48:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's just a terrible interview subject. Lots of short answers, mumbling, and odd jokes that aren't really funny but everyone laughs because it's him. Same with Brad Pitt.
Good actors (and probably really nice in person), but just excruciating on talk shows.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:56 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As weird as it's going to sound....they probably don't like to be on camera.
Sure, they act on the big screen, but they know what they're doing, they're immersing themselves in character. But talk about themselves to the world? Nope.
tornadoRadar ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:54:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you were both using each other with minimal downsides.
mighty_mango_man ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 01:29:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Often referred to as "Doing business with each other"
AMart83 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:47:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for showing that the media lies about him and paints him in a bad picture.
AnotherPint ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:42:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, the media didn't make up his rally behavior, like telling fans to beat the crap out of protestors or imitating the reporter with the disability - that was real. But it was totally disconnected from the private, real Trump I encountered. The question for me is: did he deliberately, knowingly put on that rally persona to whip up the crowd? Or did the crowd whip him up and cause some kind of werewolf transformation?
Anyway the media has been determined to drive the narrative that Trump is a cruel and unhinged asshole 24/7, but this whole thread provides dozens of examples to the contrary.
monkeiboi ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 00:00:59 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should really take a look at this.
Trump wasn't mocking the reporter for having a disability, he was using a physical mannerism that he commonly used to mock someone. He's even said that he didn't really remember the reporter or know the guy even had a disability.
Mainstream media has been feeding you this altered, edited, twisted persona of Donald Trump as this horrible racist, sexist, maniac.
Seriously. If nothing else, you have to admit that they flat out lied about how serious his chances were as a candidate, that he had virtually NO CHANCE OF winning the election. He didn't just win...he completely and utterly blew Clinton out of the water in a landslide 306-232 electoral college victory. Thats hhhuuuugggggeeee. No candidate has won with those margins for a generation. Theres no way that any respectable news organization could have "accidentally" gotten it that wrong. How do you NOT question the rest of the narrative you've been told?
Mysteriouss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:13 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 70 vote electoral majority is a below average margin historically.
827753 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:37 on December 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean no Republican candidate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1996 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992
And finally HW in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1988
PeabodyJFranklin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:34:43 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that it's a multi-part answer. The crowd feeds of him being wild, he responds to the crowd eating it up. So there's a bit of a feedback loop going on.
There are things he knows will get the crowd riled up, so he says them. These are the points of view that is the base of his support...building a wall (that Mexico) will pay for, Crooked Hillary, Repeal and Replace Obamacare, and many more. He absolutely has multiple faces he puts on though. But so do many folks! Do I sound the same when I'm:
No, the way I talk, or talk to others in most of these situations will vary. Also, Trump is well aware that by talking the way he has, he'll get publicity. He'll get interview requests by news media constantly, so they can nail him about something he said. But whether they do or not, it also gives him an opportunity to discuss things important to him, to an audience that didn't go to or watch his rallies. And now...he won the election, and is due to be our next president.
Superpineapplejones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what show was it?
AnotherPint ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:59:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prefer not to say. It's no longer in production but the lead talent is / are still around.
Superpineapplejones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im guessing Jay Leno's show.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:44 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd guess it was with a cable news station or a morning show on broadcast TV.
Schmedlapp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tonight Show isn't live (or at least hasn't been in a long time).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:09 on February 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came to this thread 2 months late but this sounds a lot like Larry King. He was a frequent guest of King's and while he's not on CNN anymore he still has a show on Ora.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:05:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cool story fam. But why the FUCK do people put in "EDIT fixed spelling mistake", who gives a fuck, it's a waste of space. Just edit the mistakes and leave it be fam. This is to everyone, not just you
AnotherPint ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:15:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Reddiquette dictates that when you revise a post, causing the asterisk ro appear, it's polite to tip people to what you did, whether you made your tenses agree or yanked out 1000 words.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you yanked out 1000 words then i agree an explanation is good, if it's not a brand new.comment. but for letters and commas? Reddiquette needs some common sense fa.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You state what you did, so that they know why it's there, instead of wondering "hmmm did that guy drastically alter his post or does he just not know how to spell?"
rnflhastheworstmods ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 19:39:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at one of Trumps golf courses as a superintendent, so I know him on a personal level.
He expects the best, nothing less, that's it.
He bought the nicest house in the neighborhood, he paid for the only condo that overlooks the course.
He beat one of his golf pro's in a round of golf, so he fired him.
He wanted to re-do the greens and people told him to just put a sand cap, no we're blowing them all the way up and doing it right.
He's a friendly guy, he loves diet coke, and he would literally hand you a fat stack of cash if he saw you were working hard. Some of my guys on the crew were handed 100 dollars cause he saw them sweating and working hard.
I've always liked him.
modshavepenisevy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:50 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice.
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tonyprent22 ยท 116 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I missed this when it was posted.
My work had to film Donald at Trump Tower, as we do every year, for an major event we have. He's part of a large group of famous people welcoming a group of athletes to an event. (I'm being vague on purpose).
Anyways it was myself and 2 of my coworkers. We set up in a conference room, and then waited. He came in, shook all of our hands and welcomed us, said "Let's do this" and then knocked out his lines. Then he asked if he could do a special message to one particular person. We obliged and he was very nice in his message. Afterwards he came up to me and asked if he could watch it back to make sure it was okay. I played it down for him, and he patted me on the back, told me I did a good job, thanked all of us, and walked out. He announced his presidency bid shortly afterwards and we never used any of what we did for corporate reasons.
He was honestly very cordial and pleasant to deal with. I've met some real jerks along the way in my line of work, and I'd say Mr. Trump was one of the nicer ones I've met.
Macabilly ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 00:06:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was about 10 at a golf club. I was eating lunch with my father and Don came over, scruffed-up my hair and said I was a good looking kid.
Sickmonkey3 ยท 3825 points ยท Posted at 16:03:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was in NYC visiting family when I took a walk through central park and I sat down at a bench with a couple sodas. I'm relaxing with some music admiring all the good times people are having and I feel someone sit down next to me breathing a little hard, like they just took a really long walk or something. I turn and it's actually the Don. He asks if he could have a Coke because he was kinda thirsty so I gave him one of mine.
We talk for like, 2-3 minutes when a guy comes up behind him and whispers something in his ear and he says he has to go and hands me a 20 and told me something like "If you need something, don't be afraid to jump at an opportunity". The whole time I'm just kinda sitting there starstruck like what just happened.
Everybody was turning their heads when he walked to his car with the other guy and a few were looking at me like I was a somebody and I'm just sitting there confused about everything.
He seemed like a reserved guy, pretty chill and he had a love for that park because he talked about how he took his kids there a lot when they were younger.
Edit: a word, curse you autocorrect
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-redditedited- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:59:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. The first thing that came to my kind was some hilarious sitcom situation. FBI is on the mysterious case as they follow him to the park, sits down with a random man who gives him a bottle in exchange for money. Why would he do that. There has to be something going on here. It's just too random.
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I_am_fed_up_of_SAP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think I'm gonna believe someone with the name Ovulator? :P honestly, how did you think it up? And why?
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Nackles ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:04:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From a food truck in NYC? Not impossible.
oftherestless ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 04:06:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the confused, this is an Arrested Development reference.
HalfNatty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:56:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a dollar. Go see a star war.
ThatOldGuy1895 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:34:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've never actually been to a supermarket, have you?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:26:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You beautiful bastard
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:07:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't want any change. He's a germophobe
MetricAbsinthe ยท 1224 points ยท Posted at 20:03:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Anonymous online source confirms Donald Trump bought coke from them in central park years ago; Spoke of how he enjoyed bringing his children along." - One of tonights headlines on CNN
TellYouEverything ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:44:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brilliant, this was the one that made me burst.
Jambeinn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:39 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you okay?
TellYouEverything ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:00 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm obviously not "okay", seeing as how I have exploded and all.
I'm GREAT.
Jambeinn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:12 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so it's that kind of explosion. ;)
edit: typo
RagdollPhysEd ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 22:10:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alex Jones: "WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT, CAN A MAN NOT BUY COKE IN AMERICA ANYMORE"
wantingerudite ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:32:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that guy is great hahaha he's like... Hagrid would be to Dumbledore who's Don...????? I'm not sure what I meant anymore
dbhe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:39:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Jones is Xeno Lovegood. Infowars is the Quibbler and we're in year 5.
dbhe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:39:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Jones is Xeno Lovegood. Infowars is the Quibbler and we're in year 5.
jcb193 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:01:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is so darkly true. And then I'll have 20 people share it on my facebook and then 20 more will comment about "whether or not Donald uses drugs.
adoptagreyhound ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 11:08:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since it's CNN, you forgot to add "BREAKING NEWS."
cO-necaremus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i love you for that :D
KvotheArlidensSon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like buzzfeed
PM_ME_GOOD_MANNERS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:44 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have they admitted their bias yet? There's no way that nobody has noticed.
tylem_syk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is brilliant
psychopompadour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:34 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest with you, I'd believe it (not the children part maybe, but the coke part, absolutely 100% would believe). However, I know lots of people who do coke (not me... doesn't really work right for some reason) and I kind of feel like, who cares? If you're not a crazed addict who lets it ruin your life, then basically, this story is about as bad as saying "TRUMP ONCE BOUGHT A BOTTLE OF BEER FROM ME OMGGGGGG."
Callioperising ยท 590 points ยท Posted at 18:12:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Odd that others say he's a germaphobe for giving exact change, yet he will buy a soda from some stranger on park bench.
Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 19:04:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Money's been touched by dozens if not hundreds of people. Packaged goods like a bottle of coke have probably only been touched by a few people. You're taking the same risk when you get KFC or whatever other fast food.
LordPhoenixNZ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:09:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the don gets fresh bills from the bank. I'm sure he could afford any fees.
OGCroflAZN ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:41:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... But he gives people exact cash and change. He doesn't have a problem with handing others money, but can't take it from them?
Maybe he steams his cash and change to kill germs.
Sickmonkey3 ยท 587 points ยท Posted at 18:25:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I tried to give him back the 20 but he wouldn't let me and had this cautious expression looking at my hand.
I had a 6 pack of cokes and I had 4 unopened ones sitting next to me, so the odds they were contaminated with something were pretty slim.
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darkneo86 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:11:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
waiting for someone to ask for one
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piezeppelin ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:07:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you have a six-pack of coke around with you?
Pyroteq ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:18:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just been to the shops to grab some snacks, on your way home and you sit down at a park for a few minutes?
baryon3 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:21:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he says 2 had already been drank. He was downing those things fast it sounds like.
schmuttt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why hello there pyro
Pyroteq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol, what are the odds?
schmuttt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small world indeed
Sickmonkey3 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:09:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a weird thing?
travis- ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 22:17:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally someone would bring one or two. I can't imagine crushing six cans of coke on a daily outting to the park.
VladimirPootietang ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:25:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if someone even brought 2 with them places regularly I would be concerned
piezeppelin ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:36:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't see why someone would walk around with a six-pack of anything.
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wait really?
like really?
piezeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
really
LordPhoenixNZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:07:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes people do things contrary to your expectations. Sometimes people make stuff up. Believe what you will just remember being skeptical doesn't mean you shouldn't believe at all.
yung_iron ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:57:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I saw someone sitting on a park bench with a six pack of coca colas I'd find it pretty strange
kastahejsvej ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:13:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its weird as fuck mr obese
Sickmonkey3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm barely 130 lol
kastahejsvej ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So youre on The other side of that spectrum then. ...
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just brought a 6 pack of coca cola to the park to watch people huh?
Sickmonkey3 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:09:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily to watch people, just to chill out.
ionyx ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 23:33:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's hilarious how people are getting so stuck on this one detail. WHADDYA MEAN YOU WERE JUST SITTIN THERE WITH A 6PACK OF COKE ARE YOU INSANE?!
Sickmonkey3 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:35:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I guess I'm the weird one.
dblink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:21 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 months late, but your behaviors make awesome things happen like meeting Trump. Keep doing you!
Callioperising ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:03:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must have been thirsty as a mother fucker
LaFemmeLoser ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:28:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Says the Sick Monkey. No thanks!
Sickmonkey3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you got me there.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:47:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is afraid of hands
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, from you anyway. I wouldn't be drinking from a soda can without washing off the top first.
khem1st47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may be a more irrational germophobic fear of transmission via only money.
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Minato2025 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:36 on November 25, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly the case, 3-4 years ago I developed germaphobia. It doesn't have to be logical, all that matters is how "dirty" something is to the mind of the germaphobe. For example, the only things I don't feel the urge to wash my hands afterwords are the items that I consistently use on a daily basis. Those items are probably just as dirty as anything else I touch, yet in my mind I feel at ease because I was the only one to use it.
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Sickmonkey3 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:17:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know where I keep my cokes!
FruitySploosh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:58:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sealed bottle/can?
Yeugwo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:45:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Germaphobes can have various ticks. Maybe his is money. My wife, for example, can change a baby's diaper and go eat without washing her hands no problem. However, if a bird shits on her car door, she can't open it, even if it is nowhere near the handle. She takes wide berths when walking by any car just in case there is bird shit. She's the one walking down the center of a parking lot aisle...
Titanosaurus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe semi germaphobe. Money has been everywhere.
chuckylaces ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An unopened soda out of a cooler? Not that gross
dirtybitsxxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:10:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thirsty is thirsty
dsquard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phobias like that aren't usually rational...
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People are just speculating on the germaphobe, likely not true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because half of these stories are fabrications for karma.
telegetoutmyway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im a germaphobe/OCD and I can tell you right off the bat that everyone you meet will have different "rules" or things that bother them. I havent touched cash in years and I used to have to wash my cards anytime I used them, but even for each person the rules shift with time. So I have no doubt hes a germaphobe, but that doesn't mean we'd be able to guess all his triggers/ticks or his fixes.
dragonfangxl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he likes sealed stuff. He prefers fast food because its standardized
mysticmusti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like any other phobia, germaphobia can come in different sizes. I'm afraid of spiders but I won't run away from them or do anything I can to track down every little one and get them away from my house. It's perfectly reasonable to think that he will avoid "contamination" from other people but has a limit to how far he goes in his efforts, and sometimes when you're thirsty you just gotta have a drink.
Goasupreme ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 22:35:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a supporter of him I always loved these tweets of his
Later on
pdxchris ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:37:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a Coke commercial.
Sickmonkey3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:43:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish, then I could get paid.
sharms2010 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:46:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure this isn't one of the the old school coke commercials?
Nickd3000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:14:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm relaxing with some music admiring all the good times people are having"
I like this turn of phrase :)
aznhomig ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:05:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice. I enjoyed this anecdote. It's almost as if The Don isn't the monster the media and Democratic Party has been making him out to be.
spaceicecream ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:12:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exact change, no more no less
Sickmonkey3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tried to give it back to him but he kinda had this wierd expression on his face when he looked at my outstretched hand to hand him back the 20. It wasn't quite fear but it was beyond caution, like he was wary of getting sick.
brbafterthebreak ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 21:03:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to be that guy but this is genuinely the only story in the thread I don't believe has happened.
Sickmonkey3 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 21:07:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cool. I didn't think it was real too until a guy walked up to me and asked who I was because that was Donald Trump.
brbafterthebreak ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:09:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough but you can't deny that your story, at least from the POV of a stranger, sounds unbelievable but it was a good story though
Sickmonkey3 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:14:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, completely understandable.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thin it's the way you've written it. It's plays out like a dream or a commercial. Just sitting there, then an angel comes and taps your on the shoulders. And leaves after tipping you some good cash. lol.
terminbee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:59:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to other comments (if they are to be believed), Trump tends to hand out money to random people. Which I find odd; kind of patronizing/presumptuous, but also kind of cool.
MutantTomParis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought the same, but by all accounts, DT really loves his sugar water, possibly to the point of addiction. (And I can personally attest--soda bottles from the food carts often come with the stench of old meat and general nastiness.)
brbafterthebreak ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:28:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But really think about this.
First off, Trump just hands her a 20 like that and walks away and says some "deep" quote. It's weird considering most of the other replies in the thread talk about how he always wants and gives exact change and seems kind of a reserved guy. And Trump would just hand out a 20 like that and ask for a bottle of Coke from some stranger?
Secondly, Trump would walk in Central Park like that with guards just a couple feet away chilling with no one realizing than Donald Fucking Trump is chilling and no one attempts at stopping him to get a photo or anything and people just look at him and go "huh oh well"
Like I live 30 blocks away from Central Park and this guy means to tell me that no one has realized Trump is walking in the park chilling and no one even pays attention?
MutantTomParis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TBH I think most of the better stories in this thread are just as dubious. I do like the idea of him being a raving sugar addict though.
hellrazzer24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. If this thread was 3 weeks there would be tons of stories about how awful the guy is.
Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:58:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't throw away your shot!" -
Alexander HamiltonDonald TrumpCrocoshark ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You all what for 2-3 minutes?
Sickmonkey3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops typo
BAshley1995 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couple sodas a day keeps the dentist away.
kdoodlethug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:14:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my goodness, he's like one of those fairies from folklore who pretend to be poor and hungry, and then if you feed them they reward you with a gift or a wish.
kongjie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:29:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who sits at a park bench by themselves with a couple sodas?
Sickmonkey3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:36:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Uh me?
I do it all the time at Coolidge Park in Chattanooga
FloppingNuts ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:07:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
choo choo
ifeelwitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially near the interactive water fountain in the summer.
Book8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great story.
bikkaboo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a pretty good life lesson
brent1123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude apparently gives 2 kinds of tips. 3 if you're Melania
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's such a great story, thanks for sharing!
Sickmonkey3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you people remember your usernames?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol I don't need to? cookies and the app my friend
Flope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you fat?
Sickmonkey3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barely 130 dude
I_too_amawoman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you have multiple sodas?
Sickmonkey3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get a bunch and pass them out to people. I only would have drank like, 2 maybe 3.
I_too_amawoman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is kind
oldmermen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So YOU are his coke dealer.
Sickmonkey3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:32:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I confess nothing
cinepro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:51:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ABC played a clip of an old interview where Donald was flying around New York with a reporter, and as they flew over Central Park the reporter asked him if he ever wished he could have that real estate. Donald quickly said "No, it's perfect the way it is. I wouldn't touch it."
damageddude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He rebuilt Wollman Rink back in the '80s after the city kept running into delay after delay.
jdawggey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not usually a good start to a Trump story...
IAmTheNight2014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me wonder if the media is twisting his words, despite some things he's said and such. Seems like he'd be pretty chill.
Then again, I've never met him.
Sickmonkey3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I only talking to him for a moment.
sharamall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't seem to fit with the other stories.
Kighla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it weird this makes me a bit sad? He loves that park but probably can't really go there and enjoy it that way ever again.
saint1959j ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A kinda similar thing happened with me and Mean Joe Green back in 1979.
Juslotting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:52 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like the most unrealistic interaction in the thread just because it's not consistent with the other ones
quaybored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK I'm gonna guess that some of the stories here will be fake and I'm gonna pick this as one of them.
Sickmonkey3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok then.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:48:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
all the fatties love to drink more than one soda
Sickmonkey3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, barely 130. Totally obese.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
130 kg? das one chunky monkey fam.
lmao just messin wit chu holmes!!
Abracadabble ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:25:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea this same thing happened to me too right after I got off my pet dinosaur
pirateofmayhem ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 03:23:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heard this from a former coworker and I have no reason to believe this is false:
Coworkers friend is a tow truck driver in NJ. Now, in NJ, certain roadways have assigned companies that do towing, etc. well one of the notorious Jersey winters hit and he hears that there is a limo stuck on the New Jersey Turnpike. Now, he was only a couple of minutes away, but dispatch says it'll be a couple of hours as the on call company is working other issues. He decides since he is a couple miles away, he'll hope on, tow them and move on. Well the limo happens to have trump in it. Trump knows about the laws and rules for towing, says "hey, you can lose your job over this how can I repay you?" Guy says don't worry about it and forgets about it. A couple of weeks later, his wife received flowers saying thanks for helping, glad to help. Wife doesn't know what's going on. A couple days latter, they try to pay the mortgage and the company says it's already paid off. Donald Trump searched for their mortgage and paid it off. Now, this was the first time I've ever really heard of what type of guy he is, but this has always stuck with me. Hate the guy or love him, this is the one thing I remember about him.
KnockoutNed85 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 03:32:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's amazing. I've been on this thread here for a while and have not heard one person say a bad thing about him. It's either everybody is lying or he is a genuinely nice guy.
I don't think any of you are lying.
Five_Decades ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:48:05 on December 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope Trump governs like the person everyone in this thread says he is in person.
turbozed ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 07:22:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one seems the most impressive if true. It's like some Hallmark after school special in the 80s. I didn't think things like this happened.
DoddG ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 09:45:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. I couldn't get past this.
Awesome, if this is true.
ChickenTikkaMasalaaa ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:36:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jesus fucking christ. I love this man
CantStopReason ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 10:27:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like an urban legend. Many different stories of celebrities stuck somewhere and then paying someones mortgage. Or the Eddie Murphy getting mistaken for homeless one.
TedyCruz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like trump, but I'm not buying this one
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:57:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a stand up man
I_Am_Intoxicated ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:10 on April 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have actually heard this same story from one of my cousins before.
skiff151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.snopes.com/luck/trump.asp
Your coworker is lying to you.
swamp_drainer3 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:11:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snopes decided to trade in all of their well-earned credibility as a fact checker and hoax debunker this year.
Good-Writer ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 11:56:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snopes is mostly false. I read this it looks like there claim is that many celebrities paid people's mortgages and that Trump said it is true. Take the time to read it.
El-Drazira ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 11:05:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think people would put a bit more effort into making the names, I don't know, not have one of them nearly 'Ivanka', spelled correctly, and the same.
sensitiveinfomax ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:48:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivana is ivanka's mom
bl1tzen ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:34:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think people would take the time to look up facts. Ivana was his first wife, Marla his second, Melania his third. Ivanka his daughter.
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Lostboy8 ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 22:01:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad did some business with him so Trump flew him to New York from LA (my dad brought me along). I only saw him one when we went to dinner but he was seriously very kind generous and doesn't at all like the caricature he's become.
justSFWthings ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:55:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was playing politics. He's already calmed his rhetoric dramatically. He was a Dem for most of his adult life.
Lostboy8 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:29:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly
yuube ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:53:37 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I as an independent had faith in voting for him.
yuube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:40 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I as an independent had faith in voting for him.
mlacks ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 14:51:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a trump resort in Hawaii as an entry level "service technician", which basically means janitor/ room service apprentice. I was picking up after a guest in the morning when Mr. Trump strolled by the open room with a group of people. I'm not sure who the group consisted of but they were interested in looking at the room and Trump took the opportunity to show them the room I was cleaning.
He knocked and apologized for interrupting the cleaning, and even went so far as to ask me how my day was. A man of his position, talking to someone in my position simply left me shocked. Awesome experience.
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colin8651 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 00:43:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him around 99. He sat in a seat directly in from of me at an awards thing at the mayors mansion in NYC.
His hair is gold. Not gold like it just naturally became that color, as in he went through variations with his stylist on getting the right color GOLD.
Spoke with him briefly . You can tell he wanted to get out of the event, but he spent a good 2 minutes talking with me and my family about the usual casual stuff, did not sense an ounce of "why are you talking to me. Leave me alone". Friendly, genuine smile, engaged in asking questions about us, where we were from and such.
This was around 99, no part of the conversation would have made him feel like meeting my family would improve his life in a single way. It was just a nice chat.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 03:59:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Met him in a private setting five and a half years ago when he was floating the idea of running for president. I asked him if he was going to run and he said politics was interesting, but his TV show was a lot more fun. He was only floating the idea to improve his ratings so he could keep doing his show.
He also mentioned during the conversation the Trump you see in public is a drastically exaggerated version of his private personality. He needed to come off as excessive to drive ratings and keep his name relevant. To that point, he did come off pretty sensible in private, but only time will tell which Trump is the real one.
It was only an hour long conversation with him and ten other people more than five years ago, but I think he ran to improve his ratings for his TV show. Then it was cancelled due to his Mexican comments and he said fuck it and just kept running. I don't think he actually wanted to become president initially, but after NBC took away the one thing he loved he decided to play for keeps.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 11:35:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single thing the media did only served to help him. It's amazing!
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beanx ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 19:52:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
when i lived in NY i worked for someone in the same socioeconomic bracket and circles as Trump. Mr. Trump's office called one day and i let my boss know that his office was calling. I forget how i said it, but my VERY, VERY wealthy, socialite boss corrected me (i was young at the time - a bit green) and said "Mr. Trump". I never forgot that. And this was a person who, at the time, was probably worth quite a bit more than Mr. Trump was (the early 90s were turbulent in real estate in NYC).
usernamewillendabrup ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:46:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did your boss want you to say?
SkellySkeletor ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 21:34:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually got to shake his hand when I was a kid.my dad was at Trump Tower for some business,and he was going down his escalator and decided to say hi. Came off as very laid back and respectful
timedragon1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:31:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This actually reminds me of the time I lived in Alaska as a young kid and met Sarah Palin.
I don't really remember it that much, but I do remember that she said I was a cute kid.
SkellySkeletor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:45:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, heard good things about her meeting people too.
What also shocked me about that years later that even though a ton of people say he's a germophob (spelling?), he didn't even hesitate to shake every one of our hands. Nice guy
AboveTheAshes ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 22:54:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him once. I kinda bumped into him. I was very apologetic and he was really nice about the whole thing.
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Very late, but The Trump Organization hire(d) a lot of MBA graduates with specializations in Real Estate, Finance and other areas. Recruitment from elite schools with a global reach.
He came to our school to speak and spoke very quickly (he was given 10 minutes and I think he spoke for 8). He was very approachable, quiet and engaging. He knows a lot about real estate and was keen to 'bring on' the right people. In general, my interaction with him was quick, friendly and I would say very cordial.
Woodrowelowe2 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 06:09:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is of the most pleasantly surprising threads I've read in a long time....I hope you're all real people and these stories are true.
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I didn't really interact with him that much, but he seemed like a pretty normal/nice guy to me.
I met him very briefly once back when I managed a movie theater about 10 years ago. It was an extremely busy night and lines for both box office and the concession stand were pretty long. I was walking through the lobby and he grabbed my shoulder to get my attention, introduced himself, and said he'd like to get 2 tickets to <I forget what the movie was>, and handed me $100. I grabbed him 2 tickets from the box office then went and found him in the concession line. Gave him the tickets and he thanked me and told me to keep the change.
After the fact a few of the employees who had been at that theater longer told me they had seen him in there a few times before, which kind of surprised me because at the time it was a pretty shitty place. I think the theory was that since it was kind of run down, the customers that went there might be less likely to recognize and/or bother him.
lambeau_leapfrog ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 05:47:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh oh...
Whew!
oklahwey ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 05:34:10 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not the first theatre story on this thread. Kinda cool he likes to watch movies like a normal person instead of a private screening.
madhousechild ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is the theater in midtown? Just wondering.
Thing_Doer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:09:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was in NJ
AweInspiringPickle ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:44:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is not something Donald would do. I don't believe you.
Thing_Doer ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 03:09:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's what he did. You're welcome to not believe me if you choose to do so.
Plurseus ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 22:49:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably too late but I'll post this anyways. While on his campaign trail, he visited Wichita, KS. Trump ended up staying at the hotel my brother managed. My brother was given a walkie talkie by the secret service and the hotel payed him a lot of money to work 24 hours and be on call to whatever Trump wanted. My brother was able to ride the elevator with Trump and said he was pretty nice but really sweaty. The only thing Trump wanted was a 5lb bag of M&M's which he finished in one night by himself.
MadBliss ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 05:00:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The level of stress eating I would have gone through if I were to ever run for president makes 5lbs of m&ms seem reasonable.
esaks ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:54:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
plus he doesn't drink so makes more sense.
Mycoxadril ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:33:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The level of stress eating I did watching the election returns makes 5lbs of m&ms seem reasonable.
Fan_Boyy ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 00:38:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peanut or plain
jesstrioxin ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 03:06:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering that too, I think I could kill a bag of peanut M&Ms.. but plain would be too much chocolate..
jonesing247 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:28:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's the pretzel M&M's, coulda been a 10 lb bag for all I care.
bsbbtnh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:02:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, I forgot those existed.
Plurseus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:02:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what, I believe they were peanut but I'm not 100% sure.
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legendary
LavenderSmuggler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:27:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL important
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 00:59:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I read it. I am blown away. Hundreds of responses and I don't think I have seen one negative one. This is like Tom Cruise level.
BAGELmode ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 01:00:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Tom Cruise notoriously nice?
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 01:12:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will literally stand outside at movie premieres signing autographs for 3 hours. Has rescued people on many occasions, like people on a boat on fire I think. And a kid who was getting crushed in a crowd at an event. Car accident? Just going by vague memories here.
BAGELmode ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:24:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm that's pretty cool. TIL
GodoftheGeeks ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:13:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe there have been people on here on previous posts stating that he came across them when they were broke down with a flat tire or something in the mountains and he would stop and help them out. From what I have read, while all his Scientology stuff is batshit insane, he seems like a fairly nice guy.
Five_Decades ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:25 on December 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.cracked.com/article_20413_5-heartwarming-stories-to-restore-your-faith-in-celebrities.html
southpawhedgehog ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:49:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol this is great. Don and 5 lb m and m's
Plurseus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:05:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you ever want to bribe Mr. President...you know what to do.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 06:56:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be bought you say? Do these M&Ms change your mind?
iushciuweiush ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:12:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pay to play!! Ambassadorships given out
likefor candy!!Sipp621 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:51:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From Wichita here.. Which hotel was this? The Broadview by chance? or The Ambassador? Just curious really.
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The ambassador, he took up the presidential suite (funny enough) which is a whole floor and the secret service took up the whole floor under him.
Sipp621 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow cool man, did your brother I believe you said, have to do anything special for all that?
Plurseus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 12:09:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah he had to sleep on the lobby couch and if Trump wanted something the secret service would use the walkie talkie they gave him and tell him what's up. Also he was the only person in the hotel who could ride in the elevator with him because he has like a special key that makes they elevator go to whatever floor he wants without stopping on other floors. My brother supported Trump since the beginning so he was pretty excited lol. Oh and one more thing, before Trump got there like wayyyy earlier in the day, the secret service arrived and sweepers the whole building, marked every entrance and exit and told the other hotel managers that Trump wanted to stay there and that he wanted the presidential suite. Funny enough a bachelorette party already had it taken but because it was Trump, the owner called the bachelorette party and told them they had to cancel with them (they were not happy) and the owner charged Trump like triple the price for the room.
Sipp621 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha wow! Yeah I'd be mad too! But that's kind of cool, "Yeah like 5 years ago my wife's Bachelorettes party room was canceled for the president elect" ..The hotel key clearance to ride with Trump is really cool, even if you didn't vote him he's still a celeb ya know and to be able to be that important guy for a weekend is badass. Them sweeping the hotel is pretty cool, like some secret movie shit lol
Plurseus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol right?! My brother is one of those types of people who's still a child at heart so he felt all bad ass walking around the hotel lobby at like 2 in the morning waiting for a call from the secret service lol. They even showed him exits he didn't even know about. He wouldn't stop talking about it for weeks and now he has bragging rights that he was a personal servant for the president.
Sipp621 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:34 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie, I would definitely be the same way. I love that shit, I'd keep acting like it for a few weeks at my job like I was on a secret mission haha. Well thank you I really appreciate you telling me more. This is super fascinating to me
Plurseus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:21 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha I don't blame you. No problem man! I'm just happy to share a story!
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Probably not the healthiest
trippinwontnothard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:27 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought trump spent almost every night back home at Trump Tower?
PinochetIsMyHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:14 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I realize it's been a few months, but this is important. Plain or Peanut M&Ms?
Plurseus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:02 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peanut my good sir!
PinochetIsMyHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:24 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yesssssssssss! The best M&Ms! Thank you!
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jbarnes222 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats both respectful and clever
WakkkaFlakaFlame ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:57:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His comment was removed by mods for some reason. It still shows on his user page (/u/Crimdusk)
Here's the comment for anyone wondering:
jbarnes222 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:13:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dont want anything good about donald trump out there!
MrWhitePink ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 21:39:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met Trump twice. Both times were at the Cadillac World Golf Championship at the National Doral in Florida. I do freelance event work and therefore was on site for the last two years of the championship.
1st time: It was after the closing ceremony, the people I was with were taking pictures and Trump walked up towards us (he was signing autographs for people, he wasn't intentionally walking to us) I remember some kid (6 or 7 yo) in a VIP suite took his dinner plate, ran to Trump and had him sign it. Thought that was funny.
Anyway, he walks up towards us, everyone asks if he could take a picture with us. At first he says he can't, then people did tried to turn around and take a selfie with Trump in the background. Finally he said, "Oh, okay!" Group photo!
2nd time. Again at the Doral, only now he is actually running for president and secret service surround him. Its the last pair at the 18th hole, I get called over the radio to assist with getting the crowd getting out of hand in one of the VIP areas. So I go up there and start getting the VIPs to get to their seats, then I stand up against the back wall. Sure enough, Trump is sitting in the second floor of seating and his foot is level with my eye. I look up, he looks at me, points at me and winks. "Huh, that's kinda cool. Trump recognized me doing my job."
I then watch as Trump does the same thing to the next three people walking by. Cool moment over.
Overall, trivial experiences, however still cool and never negative and I tell that last one as a joke when talking about trump with people. It gets a laugh the way I tell it in person.
MadBliss ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:18:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like a cute story. I would laugh!
susanrenee92 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 00:40:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is a great post. so glad you asked this question. super interesting responses
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[deleted] ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 22:24:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't there as this was a private conversation, but has been corroborated by many people in the department. As recently last Thursday the NYPD buried a SGT that was killed in the line of duty. President Elect Trump was able to get the Wife of the SGT's cellphone number and called her up to give his condolences and apologized for not being able to attend.
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 01:00:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet another one that you would hope the press will mention. But they won't. Neat to hear such a recent story.
stan11003 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 03:03:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he doesn't want the attention.
DickieDawkins ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 02:25:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard this on some smaller news outlets. Won't hear it on CNN though!
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Salmontaxi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:14:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not building a wall to keep brown people out, he building it to keep some of the sun off of Mexico. What a nice guy
Thanks, Trump!
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NoHoeMOE510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s? Or serious?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally sarcastic. I'm not a fan, but I concede this is likely a legitimate accounting of his behavior. So as much as I hate to have to concede he is not pure evil....I do so.
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Dante-Alighieri ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:30:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't realize that Trump is 6'3" because he hasn't really been shown in pictures standing next to anyone that isn't his wife or kids.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:29:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Melania and Ivanka are both 5'11 and they always wear heels. So on screen he doesn't seem very tall because he looks to be about the same height as his wife and daughter... but nobody realizes that those women are actually very tall.
NJ_state_of_mind ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 23:48:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City many years ago (late 90s) when he comes walking by one of the bar areas. He walked briskly and had a gorgeous female on his arm (not sure if it was Melania or not). All I remember is he was extremely tall and he did not want to shake hands with anyone (well documented that he is a germaphobe). He waved and acknowledged everyone and seemed very friendly. But he made sure not to shake anyone's hand and he just kept moving. But he somehow managed to make sure everyone felt acknowledged. After he was gone there was a crazy buzz at the bar and everyone felt somehow personally touched. It was surreal.
In contrast, I've seen other celebrities in the casinos and many of them are outright dicks to fans (ahem... Bobby Flay...).
Good-Writer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:37:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of the Hillary thread which is about 98% about bill clinton having this effect.
buddery_toaste ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 03:24:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A close friend of mine is on a SWAT team in Ohio that did security for him when he had a rally or something in the state. He said trump was very appreciative and kind to all members of the police force doing his security, and trump even requested to take a picture with them.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 12:57:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Trump is decently nice and a germophobe
alziebop ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 22:26:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my wife was visiting the U.S she was sitting in a restaurant with her family and Donald Trump took the table next to them. The manager came over and said "we're honored to have you dining with us tonight Mr Trump" At the end of the evening he asked for the bill and the manager came over to tell him it's on the house. Then he looked over at my wife's table and said, "When you're rich and you can afford to pay people give you everything for free"
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:06:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's so funny, great story!
chrometoucan ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 00:26:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather runs a very old manufacturing company in Ohio. They make golf tags. Donald trump orders tags from him (not in person or anything) but I know it's a big annual order that helps the business a lot. So I'll give him credit for supporting small US manufacturing
RobocopNott ยท 218 points ยท Posted at 20:51:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother's best friend is actually an executive at Trump Tower in New York. He seems to like him a lot. He was at the victory speech, and defended Trump on Facebook the next day (he got a lot of flack since people knew about where he worked, etc.) Overall I got the opinion that he really has a high respect for the man, and he believes the media has done what the media does and just taken the worst of things and plastered it everywhere.
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 23:24:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up interviews with Trump anywhere from the 90's to 2013, he was a completely different person than the media painted him out to be. I am very left in my leanings, but I actually have a lot of faith that Trump is going to do a much better job than Clinton would have done.
LavenderSmuggler ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:22:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope you're right
vitaymin ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 03:44:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he said he's very left
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:50 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People keep saying the media painted him a certain way. Uhhh Donald painted himself that way! They just reported it. Did the media move his mouth and make him say "grab em by the pussy?"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:13:41 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did the media explain that Hillary went out of her way to hire private investigators to dig up dirt on the women bill was sleeping with? If course not. The heads of these outlets were also top donors to her campaign, they had no reason to do this. Trump is a failure candidate and president, Clinton is a failure candidate. I'm glad she lost. I'm not happy he won. These are the choices presented to us? Could we have fucked up any more than this?
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This isn't about Hillary. Hillary's gone. Obama's gone. This is all Donald's doing.
But if we're going to talk about Hillary, she for starters wouldn't have created a Muslim ban, or have several executive orders coming down the pipe to abridge the rights of certain people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:39:37 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, she wouldn't. She did want to put a no-fly zone over Syria, which as we saw in Libya, isn't really the smartest way to avoid conflict with Russia. Russia happens to be in very good business relations with bashar al-assad and it might not be in the world's best interest to topple one of his allies. We were arming one of the 5+ factions over there by the way, some of which committing atrocities such as beheading children because they were born to the "wrong" parents. We pushed for this civil unrest to promote a West favoring leader, stripping Russia of yet another ally. Yet this step of aggression would have been a good idea? I'm very focused on a few points I deem unacceptable. This is one of them. A no-fly zone would have been disastrous globally and I couldn't bring myself to support someone who believed that was a good idea. Trump's bans and bullshit picks won't last. At most four years. We can handle four years. We can't handle push for another war with Russia.
IDieHardForever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:38 on February 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still just makes me think of "Grab em by the balls". Isn't that just equal treatment?
cinepro ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 00:17:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just makes me wish something really embarrassing would happen to the media. Something where they are catastrophically wrong about some huge event, and we get to watch in real-time as it plays out and they fall into grief and despair at how wrong they were.
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you mean, like the election?
Edit: Watch steven colbart's live thing. Totally caught off guard. Sounds about like what you want.
nielspeterdejong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you link me to that? I would love to see that :)
Meanieboss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Might be this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhFGO8R7aU Here is his show the next day. Doesn't seem as comfortable as usual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evVKFFL1iTs
WowSuchEntertain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:27:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very nice, very nice.
jayohh8chehn ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 00:49:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am shocked an employee of Trump would not call him a POS. What would Trump do? Fire them for being disloyal. It's not like we've ever heard stories of him only hiring and promoting psycophants.
MrRogue ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:08:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We also hear of him treating everyone right down to the catering and cleaning crews really well. An alternate explanation is that an employer treats you well, and you will go to the mats for them.
lancertownsend ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 21:11:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even as a trump supporter I am still surprised at how polite he seems off stage. This was a very interesting thread
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jayohh8chehn ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha yeah he looks "larger than life"! It's amazing how starstruck people can be. Some dude above described his physique as if he was a demigod.
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6'3" is pretty big. That is just an exceptionally tall woman.
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egmou ยท 444 points ยท Posted at 18:59:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he said outlandish things early in the campaign to get attention, otherwise it was going to be the Jeb, Marco, Cruz show.
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If you read 'The Art of The Deal' he actually outlined this plan in the book.
Edit: holy shit I get it you hate trump. Stfu with your sassy remarks. I'm not defending the man nor do I have strong feelings one way or the other.
egmou ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 20:16:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is on my book list. He needs to write a follow up book on how he incorporated it into his campaign.
MrLinderman ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:37:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone said his campaign book Making America Great Again pretty much does.
egmou ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:38:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thanks, i'll check that too
SanityInAnarchy ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 21:57:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a follow-up article about the ghostwriter of that book. He talks extensively about this:
That's what he found out after he started basically sitting in on everything Trump did at work, including listening to all of his phone calls, basically eavesdropping on his whole life (with permission) to get material for the book.
He had to do this because Trump is incapable of giving an in-depth interview:
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You got gold for the only negative thing I can see in 20 top comments. I don't buy Schwartz's opinion, as not only does he have incredible bias, he's jaded.
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Schwartz also begged Trump to do another book but he refused. Guy is just a nut case trying to get attention by bashing Trump.
SanityInAnarchy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:33:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the question is whether the bias and jaded-ness is a cause of or a symptom of his opinion of Trump. If Trump really is the way Schwartz describes him, I think that's enough to bias any sane person against him if they spend enough time around him.
It certainly doesn't hurt Schwartz' credibility that Trump reacted exactly the way you'd predict if you believe Schwartz: He threatened Schwartz with a lawsuit, because of course he did:
Someone should inform Trump (and his legal team) that the truth is a complete defense against accusations of libel and slander -- that is, unlike in some countries, you cannot win a lawsuit against someone for saying mean things about you unless you can prove that what they said was actually untrue.
...though I get the feeling that they know that, and they're counting on the fact that most people will back down from a lawsuit like this, not because they'd lose, but because they can't afford the time, effort, and legal fees needed to win.
mieksol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... so, my immediate reaction after reading this is that most of the people here are describing relatively superficial interactions with Trump.
Psychopaths are often described as being very superficially charming. People like them and are often surprised by what happens later, after they have a more significant relationship. I guess this would be consistent with that.
Note that I'm not saying Trump is a psychopath. I don't know him personally. I'm just saying that there is a difference between superficial interactions and deeper, more involved ones, and they're sometimes extremely important.
billytheskidd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:29:54 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'm very late, but I wanted to give my thoughts on this.
I have a family member who is low key a hugely successful national business man. A lot of the stories I am reading about trump in this thread are so familiar. Any of them could be about my family member. The way they lock into people during conversation, they way they maneuver through business deals, the calculated demeanor (I will say an exception is that I have never heard/heard of my family member being dishonest to get a deal done, he prides himself very much in his honesty and integrity).
I don't think it has anything to do with being a psychopath. People like this are hard workers, because they enjoy working, they enjoy finding deals and solving problems. They value their time at such a high level, that every move is accounted for (i know that my family member generated around $500/hr at one point, I don't know anymore, but he didn't waste any time when working).
My family member isn't just pretend genuine when he talks to people, nor is he pretend short with people when working, he turns everything he does up to eleven and is very intense and intimidating. It shows in every aspect of his life, he is an amazing woodworker and makes awesome furniture and such in his free time, he is an excellent cook, he reads a book every two weeks, he makes time for anyone who needs it and will help them solve their problem.
I don't know how I feel about a trump presidency, but I do know that reading all these stories gives the impression that he is very similar to my family member.
Just my two cents.
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Psycopath is not considered an actual mental disorder now, It's anti-social disorder.
Tysteven77 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:32:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is interesting, because I thought that (the way he was described in the last paragraph) was exactly how he looked when meeting with Pres. Obama. Like my 12 yr old when we go to visit my grandma -- vacillating between trying to pay attention and wondering when this was going to be over. Trump was fidgety, looking at the floor, etc. Weird body language, I thought.
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They had just told him about the aliens.
RedMikeYawn ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 23:31:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you watch the actual press conference or look at 4 pictures?
Colby347 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 09:59:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure there's no video of it so he's basing this opinion entirely on photographs.
autumnjones5316 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:00:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there is a video of them addressing the press afterward. Pictures still, I'm guessing.
mel_cache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His ghost writer moved to Canada. For real.
beaverlyknight ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:12:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, he got himself elected? What's the next step of his master plan?
HonoredPeoples ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:08:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make America great again.
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Crashing this plane, with no survivors!
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https://youtu.be/3hX-lgfshFU I got bored
NYOVERSOUL7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, I most likely will read for myself but from what you can remember what examples from the book?
Jesuishunter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:18:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stefan Molyneux's Video is a great place to start. It's long but he basically just reads the on screen text.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great use of the word "sassy"
Fatjedi007 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:43:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't really write that, though.
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[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:34:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The book the credited ghostwriter claims Trump didn't write.
scraggledog ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:48:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or it was the best way to face up to Clinton. Do not attack strength with Strength. Attack weakness with Strength
CreativeGPX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, people who claim to know him personally and have worked with him like Penn Jillette and Jesse Ventura have all said basically: He's a very smart man and they think what he's saying is crazy and wrong but have no doubt that he knows what he's doing and is very good at it.
Fatjedi007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then he continued to say outlandish things until election night. These stories make him seem like a nice guy to interact with, but that doesn't excuse his campaign rhetoric, and it doesn't excuse him not paying contractors.
banglainey ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:18:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's no excuse that he used shock jock/reality tv show shock tactics to get attention to be the nation's president. It was disgusting and unethical behavior he displayed during his campaign, and there is NO EXCUSE for it, media manipulation aside. He is the only one who said and did the things he said and did- he openly mocked a retarded journalist because the guy said negative things about him- that is not okay behavior, especially for someone seeking the highest office in the land.
ProspectiveQuant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The excuse seems obvious... it's what people respond to. He won the election after all... so he simply gave people what they wanted. Hardly seems like one needs an excuse to do that does it?
Kinky_Jew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:57:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AKA the three stooges
stabbitystyle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:15:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then he kept saying outlandish things after the primary because.........
spedere ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:15:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...which is a tremendous highway by the way, probably the best. I mean probably the best, they tell me it's a great highway. Truly great.
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MafiaPenguin007 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:02:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump does not drink or do any drugs. His brother died due to complications relating to alcoholism.
IsaakCole ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:01:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's what I don't get. I believe you about him being so mentally present, and I have no doubt a lot of things he did were for the sole purpose of attention. But some of them just didn't help him in any way whatsoever. He could have had a commanding lead over Clinton for most of the election based solely on her scandals alone.
He's either a manipulator or a temperamental child. Could he be both?
Blobbybluebland ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:51:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The polls that ended up being the most accurate throughout the general DID have him ahead most of the time....so it's possible he held a commanding lead over Clinton for most of the election based solely on her scandals alone, as you said.
So many of the polls were just outright lies designed to create reality, not reflect it.
Haydens_Army ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:56:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like calling it the greatest con job ever (in a positive way). He saw the opportunity and took it and....won the Presidency.
iwannaart ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:09:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Psshh, according to Reddit if you have a few million dollars to start it is super easy to make many billions, which is why all millionaires inevitably become billionaires.
hellrazzer24 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:48:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something about 200 million in net assets and treasury bills over 40 years... never mind that assets includes liabilities and many non-current (cash) accounts that can't be dumped and invested right away.
It was all bullshit. You don't become a billionaire by being an idiot.
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I've heard stories about a lot of successful people like presidents and CEOs who keep notes for this purpose so they can come off as more personable. Like after talking to you they might jot down "just graduated with engineering degree, bought a cat 'sprinkles', hates kids". Then maybe 3 years later then are to meet with you and look at your file first and when they see you are like, "Ah, so how's sprinkles? ... Oh that's good, you were smart: when my kids are a handful I wish I had just stuck with a cat like you!" Boom. You think they're so kind for remembering and might not even realize things like the latter statement are targeted around things you forgot you told them. Schmoozey charisma. But this probably doesn't apply to random people they talked to for only a minute.
OrangePi314 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:24:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agree 100%. I don't like Trump, but realize he is smarter than he acts. We need to stop taking him literally.
gopms ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:37:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree he did and said a lot of things for the attention but you very much can get that rich and be stupid especially when your dad hands you the money.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quoting his own words is media manipulation?
Flope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:35:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the quote looks like this: "[Mexicans] are .. rapists .. !"
There is a lot of room for artsy manipulation.
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sennaone ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 21:47:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friends lived in his building. Back in 2010 i brought my parents and brother w/ his wife who was preggers to see my buddies place. We walk in get into elevator and he comes in after us. I have seen him in building quite a few times and he says Hello. Looks over at my sister in law says " how far along" she replied 5 mths " DT " wow congrats do you know what it will be? " sis "a boy" DT " That's great " Sis " ohh he's kicking now you want to feel?" DT "sure thing :rubs her belly " he was super nice.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 00:53:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I almost feel like this is a big prank. Every answer I have read is positive and now I'm reading that he can guess that a woman is preggo without being wrong. Move over Chuck Norris.
GLOOTS_OF_PEACE ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 05:07:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it often is very obvious when it's a pregnancy - if the lady is fit and in good shape, then a baby belly is distinct from a fatty belly
jellybabies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:55 on December 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew someone with a metabolism disorder who had a distended belly that was almost indistinguishable from a real pregnant belly. Poor woman.
Spinolio ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 00:24:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That is a gutsy move. You NEVER ask a woman how far along she is unless you actually see a baby emerging from her body, lest you make a horrible faux pas...
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:47:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some women its real damn obvious they're pregnant.
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Some women its real damn obvious they're pregnant.
13inchpoop ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:34:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And even then it is still risky.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:48:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes it's very obvious. My neighbor is on pregnancy #5 and every time she's been pregnant it's unmistakable, she looks like she has a basketball taped to her stomach. The thing is, you should never ever remark unless it is one of those situations where the pregnancy is 100% obvious.
lambeau_leapfrog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:44:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he pop a couple of Tic-Tacs when he got on the elevator?
ao1989 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:51:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm I guess those were the pre-grab'em days
scyaxe ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:00:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah, he grabbed her by the stomach
Good-Writer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:45:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The tape was from 2005, this is from 2010.
chrisbchrist ยท 1706 points ยท Posted at 17:30:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at one of his resorts last year. I interacted with his whole family consistently and (some) of them were always really nice. Only saw him a handful of times just coming by the pool to shake hands and gather massive amounts of ice cream or at banquets I worked at the golf course. The only time he spoke to me I was monitoring the buffet to keep it full. He walked in with a hamburger on his plate, turned to me and asked "Where can I get some french fries?" I pointed to the french fries.
I also know people he personally defrauded for contractor work, but that's neither here nor there. The only thing I can attest to with my own eyes is that he eats like a 12 year-old me.
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Talk_with_a_lithp ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 22:18:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could have enough money to eat 5 star food every day, but some days you just want some shitty pizza, ice cream, and a soda.
Tsevion ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 04:18:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well given that Berkshire Hathaway owns a decent chunk of Coca-Cola (~10%) and Dairy Queen is a wholely owned Subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, I'm guessing he's just putting his mouth where his money is.
IKEA_samurai_sword ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 04:26:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โEverybody owns a piece of Coke. Whatโs great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coca Cola, Liz Taylor drinks Coca Cola, and just think, you can drink Coca Cola, too. A coke is a coke and no amount of money can get you a better coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the cokes are the same and all the cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it.โ
-Andy Warhol
acanoforangeslice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:52:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, I've been to Buffet's favorite resteraunt in Omaha, and unless you're buying, like, the top cut of prime rib, the prices were cheaper than the Outback.
[deleted] ยท 324 points ยท Posted at 18:55:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the doctors I work with also confirmed this. He regularily reviews golf courses on the side and apparently some of the managers at the resorts owned by Trump have said the same thing. He doesn't always pay contractors for work they do at his resorts.
jose_conseco ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 20:21:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that may be an oversimplification of the situation, similarly to when they accuse him of not paying taxes. I mean, yeah he didn't pay taxes, but he didn't have to. I have to believe that there was some legal reason he didn't pay the contractors, or else legal trouble would have come about.
[deleted] ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 21:00:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they probably just did a shitty job.
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I work in construction and this is a pretty regular thing. A contractor might be doing a job for us and will send us a bill for work done. We then inspect the work and find a shit-ton of discrepencies. The work isn't completed so we're not liable to pay until it's completely finished. The contractor doesn't want to come back to the site so usually will put a
leanlien on the property and demand payment. Then it goes to a third party and yadda yadda yadda. Eventually the work might get finished, but in a lot of cases, with shitty contractors, they will just walk from the job and eat the loss.dontbeamaybe ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:25:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the word you're looking for is 'lien' fyi
i recently learned this so just spreading the knowledge :)
745631258978963214 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:12:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they just got a fat person to lean on the property and threatened to lean so hard that the structure topples if they don't pay?
dontbeamaybe ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:49:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sorry- no, that makes sense. my mistake.
ionyx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:45:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Standard procedure.
aussydog ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:34:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep...you're correct. Silly mistake on my part. Thanks for the correction.
Brackenside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High five!
ifistbadgers ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:21:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work in the Crane industry, same thing here.
If you do the work to schedule, budget and standards you will get paid on time and to standard.
Anything less means you're negotiating how much you will make.
Blueeyesblondehair ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:38:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't they just fucking do the job right or fix it and get paid, instead of eating a loss? Are most construction people this lackadaisical?
NumNumLobster ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 23:27:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you are simplifying it a bit. in some instances they may have done half the work and gotten paid for 3/4 so they don't care. in others they blew the job off and are way past deadlines, or fucked it up to the point they are not allowed to finish it and someone else has already been hired. in other cases they just bid planning on a 4 week job becoming a 12 week one and they do this with all jobs. this or its not something easily fixable. say they quoted certain materials and installed cheaper ones.
some property owners surely suck in regards to this, but there are literally books written about how to manage contractors and not get ripped off. simply put, a lot of them are really really bad. a not small minority will go in with the plan to get a job, do it as shit as possible and as cheap as humanly possible, then they know they won't get the final payment. they don't care, they will lien it knowing it will probably get some payment to avoid that head ache.
I work in cre. I've seen people pay the same bullshit liens to contractors twice or pay for obvious scam jobs just because they need to refi or are selling and it's frankly easier to get scammed for 5k than fuck up millions worth of financing or proceeds from sale.
this is one of those property and development 101 things that as soon as people get started they are like "Holy shit how do you keep from getting constantly fucked by contractors?" because it is so common everyone runs into it non stop.
not to say trump does or doesn't stiff contractors, but no one who has been in re more than a few years is going to have every contractor go smooth
cup-o-farts ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:47:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really goes both ways, shitty contractors, shitty clients, either one really. I work in the design side dealing with contractors trying to nickle and dime us on a daily basis for this little thing and that, but I've also had to deal with taking over a shitty architect's job after the client fired them and saw what a mess that can be as well.
At the end the good clients and architects will work with the good contractors to get these things fixed, or sign off on things that really aren't the fault of the contractor (sometimes it's the architect with poor drawings that leave things open to interpretation)
The shitty clients will deny everything and ask for everything to be done to some stupid degree of perfection that can never be achieved, the shitty contractors give a low bid, then will scour every single tiny little piece of the contract documents to find any tiny little piece of missing information that they can add charges too, saying "sorry we didn't bid that, that'll be extra" (that's the nickle and diming). Then there are the shitty architects who promise one thing and design something completely different and completely mess up the code research or some other stupidly important thing.
SeekingAir ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:27:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
For jobs of the typical scale of a Trump project there are usually only a couple of contractors large enough to handle the build in a given region.
Trump definitely is not picking the plumbers or carpenters et al individually, or paying those trades directly, that is the contractors responsibility. Under-bidding to get the job and then over-working under-paying the trades to make more profit personally is a contractor trademark. One of thousands of typical scenarios is design calls for a room to be painted blue. Painters paint it blue and get paid as per their contract with the contractor. Then the architect wants it a different shade of blue. Painters are told to (in my area it's called "slips") keep a running tally of their overages to get the paint color right. At the end of the job the painter goes to the contractor with overages totaling $100. Contractor says "oh no, I can't pay that, Ill give you $30". That's when the fun starts. If you extrapolate my simplistic example into a multi-billion dollar project typical of a Trump development, there is a lot of bad blood flowing at the end.
Add that major construction has been a source of corruption since forever, the Big Dig in Boston should have had a fence put around it and everyone arrested, and it stands to reason that lawsuits are not only common but expected.
Edit: No one went to prison after the Big Dig because us taxpayers paid the bill. A private developer like Trump is not as soft as the government.
digitalsmear ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:08:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What /u/aussydog is failing to mention is that very often a contractor will get told that they've done a shitty job, or that something isn't right when really what is happening is that the client is trying to screw them on the job. A big part of the problem is that small contractors often work on word of mouth or with very very simple contracts, so it's easy for them to get screwed and pushed around. They don't often know how to fight these things, and often the time is worth more spent elsewhere on new contracts.
aussydog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:11:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Respectfully; everytime this has happened to my company the contractor was in the wrong. Every single time. When you're building something that's worth multimillions and you contract trades to do the work you expect the work to be up to a certain standard. Often these same smaller contractors you speak of who only work from word of mouth aren't really up to the standards that are expected from professionals. Blaming the dispute on the client is the easiest thing and most common thing these contractors do, but if you point out where they fucked up and why it's not acceptable they'll make it seem like you're being unreasonable.
I've done so many site visits where I've had to point out basic problems to people that supposedly do this for a living. Window installers that don't caulk properly or "forget" to insulate the space between the window and the rough opening. Electricians that place counter outlets at the incorrect height or light fixtures in the incorrect space. Drywallers that place joints in a way that will cause cracking or do hideous mudding jobs. Framers that fuck up where a wall is placed because they can't read a blueprint to save their life. Etc etc etc.
All of these trades put in to get paid in full but they didn't do the job correctly. That's not my fault. I'm not being an unreasonable client. If I contracted you to do something you should do it correctly, not "Meh...good enough."
Here's the thing; if you're constantly getting told you're doing a shitty job....maybe....you're actually just doing a shitty job.
postscript: The only trades we haven't had trouble with are painters, and glass workers (ie mirrors, tub/shower surrounds).
digitalsmear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:14 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been part of crews where we did the job exactly to spec. The owner was just a cheap bastard and always trying to get something extra for free.
It does go both ways. Hacks sneak their shit past unwitting clients all the time, and clients rob contracts at probably the same rate. Apparently it's called good business.... /s
accidental_snot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Around here they are gypsies, and Earth has no lower form of life.
Blueeyesblondehair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:49:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, hahahaha. Brilliant.
fikme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the worst! They are always looking for the next best project .. they are never in the moment . Very few are and those that are, are expensive and people don't want that , they want the cheaper ones who end up fucking them over anyway
hurpington ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:45:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes the simplest answer is the best
fedale ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 22:57:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A poster from The Donald, surprising.
ifistbadgers ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:22:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're not all racist misogynists like you want us to be. Some of us have kitties and sisters and even mothers. :)
PhantomEDM ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:23:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So? A person speaking in defense of Trump who also voted Trump, what a shock. Does that make his point any less valid?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:25:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sub and even post on the donald sometimes. I don't agree with his policies much, but the circus of the sub is fun to watch.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:08:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They banned me actually so ex-poster.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:11:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been stiffed by my employers like this a few times as a contractor. It's anybodies guess how it turns out. Your options are to a) enter a drawn out dispute with the labor board that may or may not go anywherw, but will occupy at least a year of your life or b) bring the employer to civil court.
Now, you'll never beat Trump in court. And the labor board, their regulations, the attention you'll receive from them, etc varies depending on where you live. I've met plenty of other contractors who feel the same way- the labor board is mostly leverage you can use to negotiate for the wage you are rightfully owed. Rarely is it a solution for anybody. But we all know what a great negotiator Donald Trump is- best deals.
Tldr: Independent contractors often feel like they have no recourse, and sometimes thas completely true.
WakkkaFlakaFlame ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:52:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has been beaten in court before. Not often, but it happens.
the_number_2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:47:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recourse is in the strength of the contract. Have a rock-solid contract that covers all the bases and have it read over by a corporate or labor attorney and you'll have a pretty good leg to stand on.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:20:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or they did a shit job, which other comments have said happens a lot, and they just didn't get paid for doing bad.
fedale ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:59:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only commentors who post on the donald are saying that, which you are as well.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:15:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has nothing to do with me posting on the_donald. I'm just saying the truth. It happens a lot with contractors not doing a good job or 100% of the job, or the person that they did the job for isn't happy with all that was done ,so they pay the person less or not all, depending on how bad it is. If a person comes to my house and paints half of a wall, I'm only going to pay him for half the wall, not all. Or if he comes to my house and doesn't do anything I asked, I won't pay at all.
This is pretty simple to understand.
ifistbadgers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I post on the_donald and run projects where I use contractors, one does not make the other moot. I'm sorry you don't know how business works, but you can PM me and I can explain case examples where my company, or contractors I've used end up not getting paid in dispute of work completed or uncompleted.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:31:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right- totally likely that hundreds of dishwashers, painters, lawyers, carpenters, and other construction works just 'did a shit job'. That's the most plausible explanation, not that Trump cheated people out of their wage. /s
Two things to note, tho. 1) That's a pretty bad and unbelievable track record. and 2) Most companies still pay their bills, and learn their lesson not to hire those people in the future. Generally contractors come through an agency and if they are sending you hundreds of people in various fields that 'are shit at their job', you quit using that agency. They don't just let them finish and then say 'nah, we're not paying you'. That's an exploitative scam- no two ways about it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:18:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying either is right or wrong, I'm just saying that it is 100% completely possible. He owns a lot of places, so he has probably hired thousands of people. And hundreds aren't saying they were ripped off, probably like 30-40. Which for someone who owns a lot of stuff isn't even that much first off. And also it's very possible most of them didn't do the job well enough, what was asked, or just did bad. That happens a lot actually.
No. Most good companies that hire someone and they don't do a good job or don't do the job, don't pay fully or at all.
Yeah a scam that the contractors are doing. Going in, doing a half ass shit job or don't do the job at all, and expect payment. That's a scam. Should work better and harder then? And Trump still paid some of those people just less because they most likely did a shit job, or not what was asked.
If I hire someone to paint my wall, and they come in and only paint half or do a bad job, I'm only going to pay them half or less. If they don't do what I asked, I probably won't pay them at all. Simple as that. You hire someone, they do the job, or they don't get paid. People shouldn't get paid for doing w/e the fuck they want.
Pietrangelo27 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:05:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sign a contract saying you will complete the job. If it's not 100% complete you don't get paid, or you can take it to court where you can argue about it for months and maybe get the money back that you invested in materials for the job.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:25:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is what is expected of him? He doesn't get criticism or praise for that.
What kind of argument is this lol
TrumpOP ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:58:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that it's not expected you pay shitty contractors either. I've stiffed many who did a shit job and refused to complete it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:08:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doing a shit job is different than refusing to complete it. But whatever- you're intent on believing what you already believe about a situation you don't know the specifics of. No point in keeping on this conversation.
TrumpOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's extremely common in industry. There isn't a major developer on the planet who hasn't refused to pay a litany of contractors.
There isn't an honest contractor who would say every contractor deserves to get paid. Many are shit and think they can fuck some rich company out of money.
mel_cache ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:13:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty tough to file a lawsuit against someone with deep deep pockets when you're a little guy.
JManRomania ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have it done pro-bono. Get a lobbyist group behind you, or the ACLU, or hell, get the lead singer of U2 on your side, and have it literally done pro Bono.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly, you don't realize how being rich works in the US. (re: "legal troubles")
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:24:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only because you have to be rich to afford legal troubles. The contractors would take a delinquent account to court if they could but they can't afford to.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And in civil court as a billionaire/millionaire, you can easily drag out the case until the plaintiff is broke and forced to drop the suit. Or have your bigwig attorneys merely intimidate you into dropping it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:58:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt he ever flat out stiffed anyone he probably didn't pay them the amount they were asking due to sub par work
redplanetlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:42 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contractor. That says it all. A guy works for himself and pays a shit ton fewer taxes and we all know someone who does this. But the price you pay is that you wait for your money and the client can decide he didn't like your work well enough to pay the agreed upon price, or just not pay you at all. Trump is not the only corporation that plays by these rules. I'm just saying that if a guy was a first class operation and they wanted to keep him coming back they would pay promptly.
SkaggAteMyPappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's always said he doesn't pay for work he doesn't like. I guess he means it.
Greenlight_go ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:06:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sooooo maybe he'll be stingy with our tax dollars? I'd be okay with that.
GatesofDelirium ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 21:25:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a geotechnical engineer for a big, and well respected, engineering company in NJ that Trump underpaid. He said it was 80 cents on the dollar. Trump told my friend that if he didn't like what he was being paid, that he (his company) should sue Trump. Obviously they wouldn't make the money back given lawyer fees and everything, so they took what was offered and left. I find that scummy and corrupt.
My friend disliked that, but had optimism. Said he disliked Reagen initially, but grew to like him. Hopes the same for Trump.
gibson_mel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:53:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the negative stuff I hear about him is always second-hand, as in your case.
9Virtues ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:22:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because 99% of its bs. There is no proof of this anywhere, it's always just stories. Even the first hand ones have no proof, no emails, no contracts, etc... everyone just wants their 5 mins of fame.
acidsoup12 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:27:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you pay someone to do a job and it isn't done to completion, as the client you have the right to withhold payment. If i decide to pay you even though it isn't done and the completion date has passed im not going to pay you the full amount.
GatesofDelirium ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:32:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But geotechnical engineers are consultants. They design the foundation the building sits on. I guarantee if Trump's building was built (it was), my friend did the job to completion. Trump agreed on a price beforehand and refused to pay the full amount. My friend isn't a contractor, he designs the actual building (well the foundation based on soil parameters and soil borings performed). If the design was unsatisfactory, the building would not be standing.
aussydog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes what happens with consultants is they will bid on the job and then inflate their costs after the fact. We've had a number of consultants that work for us that will add charges by the email. So if there's an email chain going on they will count each email in and out and assign a value to it, regardless of its merit or pertanence to the job. Even if it's the consultant that initiates the contact.
So when you get your bill from these consultants and you look at the line items you see how the price has been bloated and you start to negotiate with the consultant over the inflated overage charges. It's unfortunately very common and the bigger the consultant company, the more likely they'll bloat the bill.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:37:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GatesofDelirium ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's a foundation design. I can't see how it would be poorly done. Trump would not know anything about foundation soils and which deep foundation would be acceptable for skyscrapers, that's why my friend's company was chosen. My point wasn't about contract law, but about not giving Trump the expected product. If the building was built to the design that Trump accepted before it was built, then the contract was fulfilled.
If the contractor didn't build it properly, that's on the contractor, to which my friend was not. But an engineer designing the skyscraper is much different.
madhousechild ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know the specifics of that case obviously, but if Trump did that with every contractor or engineer, he'd get a terrible rep and nobody would work with him. There must have been a problem you don't know about.
aussydog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in 2008 when the markets went to shit, my company went through some seriously hard times. We owed money to everyone and everyone wanted it yesterday. People threatened us with lawsuits, liens, and bad mouthed my company to anyone that would listen. We were in the news every month with another sob story about how we're a big bad developer that doesn't care about the little guy. Meanwhile behind the scenes most of the office staff had gone without pay for a couple of months so we could have enough liquidity to survive. And we did. We shored up our financing, weathered the storm and made it through alive.
The same companies that were calling for our heads and swore to never work for us ever again were suddenly making unsolicited calls for jobs, sending xmas care packages, and generally sucking up in all manner of ways. We went from the company that no one wanted to work for, to the company that everyone wanted to work for. It seems like money is the only reputation that matters. If you've got it...people will always beg to work for you.
digitalsmear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he grew to like Reagan, then he failed to pay attention.
GatesofDelirium ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:26:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah his comment about Reagan confused me, but he never expanded further so I'm not sure what he liked about him. Might have just been he liked him more than he thought originally?
simplesensations1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:58:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fuck reagan and the war on drugs. Fuck Nancy too. Id love Reagan to be alive today and see different states adopting a legal recreational marijuana policy. That fucker and his wife fucked a lot of shit up.
Haydens_Army ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:48:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately I think you touched on a bit of his business savagery. The not paying contractors part is the oldest gig in his book. Unethical, immoral yet business savvy. Pure savage.
bgt1989 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:36:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If wanting to have fries with your burger makes you a 12 year old, then I never want to grow up.
pdxboob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine he was referring more to shoveling fries into his mouth by the fistful.
bgt1989 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Statements still stands. Gimme them all at once.
cursedcassandra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:18 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you imagine that when he so famously pointed out Kasichs horrible eating habits as used it as a table manners teaching moment with his son? "Little bites Barron. Little bites. "
senatorskeletor ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:53:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoken like a true Wisconsin, Michigan or Pennsylvania voter.
Reddit_beard ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:13:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"He's for the blue collar workers! Except for the blue collars working for him..."
mbeezier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a guy who worked for a Trump contractor about 25 years ago. Trump didn't like the work and refused to pay the contractor. The contractor was not able to make payroll and went bankrupt.
Yet this man, though personally financially harmed by Donald Trump, nevertheless voted for him.
Killsitty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife's grandparents used to own a metal art comany, steel vases and shit. He contracted a huge job from them for a hotel. They typically do half upfront and half when the job is completed.
Trump didn't pay them on the backend.
They were about to go broke until he contracted them again. 100% upfront and the half owed last time. He paid it and used them a few more times.
They didn't like him.
PurpleSailor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is, he's a crook, a wealthy crook but still a crook when you pull that crap.
coffee_and_lumber ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's oversimplifying. The successful rich often have very high standards and if you've never lived around that, it's hard to understand what that is like.
I have wealthy people in my family that will scrutinize construction work in particular very closely. They want their homes to be impeccable, and won't put up with shoddy work, whereas if it's me getting the same work, I'd deal with a few mistakes, especially because I am pretty okay at finish work myself and can correct some minor things, which is easier than chasing a contractor down and making it into a thing.
My in-laws have absolutely refused to pay for slightly shitty work, and I support that, as I know for certain my mother-in-law in particular will have outlined exactly what she expects before the work has begun. She has a degree in interior design and knows her shit, and addresses pretty much anything out of place with the house with decisiveness. (I love her but am thankful her daughter is a little more chilled out.)
agcoustic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:13:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work for pretty much only "successful rich" people and it certainly doesn't mean they have to be dicks. If there is a clear, concise contract in place with exact expectations based on existing conditions, the contractor should meet them but nitpicking based on extremely minor issues that usually arise from unforeseen issues or changes in scope by the client, cannot, and should not, be enough to just not pay a contractor. The few bad egg clients we have had usually had issues because they changed the scope, didn't listen when we outlined what that would mean because they were "too important" to pay attention, and then threw a temper tantrum when they finally did. We document everything so we luckily haven't ended up going to court.
Furthermore, not to dismiss your mother in law but just because you have a degree in interior design does not mean you know all fields of construction or design. I work in high end landscape design and construction and one of the professionals I most frequently have issues with are interior designers. The methodology is almost completely opposite between the design fields yet interior designers always feel the need to try to tell everyone else how something is done.
coffee_and_lumber ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:25:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my example, I only mention MIL's experience as a designer to support the idea that she is very detail oriented, which she most certainly is. She does however also understand construction and finish carpentry enough to know when the work is shoddy.
But she's also quite decent and reasonable. I'm an art director/graphic designer myself, and have worked for plenty of ridiculous, nitpicky clients who try to get one over on me wherever they can. She's not like that. My point is that she has a quality standard that is both lifelong and reinforced by her elevated class. It's a trait that I notice in most of her peers as well, as opposed to many of mine who are all pretty standard middle class.
There's a sense of fairness, but overlaid on a sense of knowing what is desired, stating that objective clearly, and then expecting precisely that outcome. I feel like that personality type is very well suited toward success. Now, I have no idea how above board Trump's decisions not to pay have been, but it does dovetail with my experience.
PurpleSailor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:47:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up wealthy and know the drill. He's not paid contracts and such without saying it's because of shoddy work. Not paying people for services and work is pretty bad in my book. Matter of fact it's illegal without giving a valid reason. There's hundreds of these stories about him and how it's part of his business modus operandi.
Juuzoz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be proud that you showed the direction to the President of the United States of America
gibson_mel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate you taking time to state your experience. But all the negative stuff I hear about him is always second-hand, as in your case.
HelpfulPug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I also know people he personally defrauded for contractor work, but that's neither here nor there."
Could you please elaborate? This seems like a pretty big claim to make on such a politically charged topic without at least a little bit of detail.
bryanna_leigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a rich person thing... Warren Buffet loves the fast food.
Undecided_Username_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That mother fucker! Eating French fries and what not!
Ranndym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:49:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The age thing coupled with his poor diet and obesity bothers me. I don't want another president with dementia in the White House like Reagan in his second term. I also don't want him dying and Pence getting the job. Age was one of my problems with Bernie running. People start to lose their faculties and people in their administrations will cover for them. Just like there is a minimum age for running, I think there should be a maximum age of about 60 if it's your first term.
RockNRollandRedWings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His son Eric seems like an asshole to me, so I'm curious what he's like
chrisbchrist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He would stay in the penthouse on the 2nd floor of our kitchen/bistro. His demeanor was usually pretty stiff and awkward and I would constantly hear him on phone calls on the balcony stuttering wildly, to the degree that he likely has or had a diagnosable speech impediment, which kind of made me feel bad for the guy. He certainly came off as distant and pompous, but I never saw/heard of him being outright dickish to anyone. He was usually polite and would acknowledge me if he passed me even though I doubt he knew my name. The most excited he got was when a pickup in full Trump election regalia came barreling down the road and he literally jumped over the bushes on to the wall to catch a video of it. On an unrelated note that surprised me because this was early in his campaign before he was even the nominee, and I kind of figured his family had to realize this was just a cynical publicity stunt.... RIGHT???
Recyclex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what my mother always say about me.
ptitguillaume ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He meant FREEDOM fries ? didn't he ?
That guy is definitely not a Republican.
badgerfu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Care to elaborate on the defrauding?
Monkeysplish ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Defrauded" how? Fraud is a material misrepresentation made with intent that the other person rely on the misrepresentation, which is then in fact relied on, to the detriment of the party being defrauded. Nonpayment isn't (without more) fraud. Entering into a contract with no intention of performance might end up as fraud, assuming other elements are met, but proving intent might be hard depending on facts. Discharging debts in bankruptcy isn't fraud (and is arguably a foreseeable outcome in the construction contracting business)
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I met him at a wedding I photographed and he was actually very nice and personable! I was surprised bc the media portrays him so negatively. But he did kiss the bride which I thought was weird. I gave him a bible tract and he said "what is this" and I said its about the bible and he thanked me. Overall I was surprised at how nice he was.
Here is proof http://www.stylemepretty.com/2015/12/18/new-jersey-wedding-crashed-by-donald-trump/
Toutouka19 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:23:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice pics btw
pFrancisco ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like, he kissed her on the lips?? That would have been awesome!
Servebotfrank ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:52:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might've been on the cheek. I've noticed that he does that when meeting women, though it's also a French thing so who knows why he does it besides the obvious "Kissing gals" part.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:04:58 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of older people from New York do this, my grandparents are from Long Island and they greet people with kisses all the time. Trump is 70 which people tend to forget because of how energetic he is.
The French greeting is one kiss on each cheek when you meet someone for the first time and 2 kisses on each cheek when it's someone you know. Lots of European countries have kiss greetings, in some parts of Eastern Europe people greet by kissing on the lips, even straight men.
lifeinhorizon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:38:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing. He smiles a lot!
the_glutton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it that nearly every time he's in a picture and facing the camera it looks very overexposed?
Madnessinmind ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 22:33:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Father knows him pretty well. They work in the same circles of people (my dad works on Wallstreet). I met him when I was 18 at a dinner function and actually had a very good conversation about what I wanted to do in college and gave some decent advice. He was funny, good natured, and kind (to me atleast) It's why I didn't get the race at all. The man I met was NOTHING like the guy on TV. Sure I remember a few quirks and some things that were weird, but everyone has those and none of those translated to what I heard him saying on TV. Though to be fair that could of easily been a mask that he put on around other people.
justSFWthings ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 00:41:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was just being extreme to get the cameras rolling. On election night, even in his speech he seemed like a completely different, far more calm and rational human being who seems to actually care about this country.
Madnessinmind ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:01:51 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We will see. I want to be optimistic like that and believe that's what he has planned, but I remain skeptical. I have my hopes though.
justSFWthings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:48 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you weren't skeptical of his claims I'd be worried. ;)
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:56:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many positive replies. I am a supporter (much as I can be being from Canada) but still am amazed at every story being positive.
One thing that stands out right now for me is that he doesn't drink at all. So at all these public functions, while others are chemically altering their state, he's focused and listening. Giving positive attention. I drink too regularly and after a few drinks you just aren't really giving others full attention.
SadThrowAwaySigh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:34:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was the advice?
Madnessinmind ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:00:33 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I told him I didn't want to go into business like my father because I wasn't passionate about it. He basically said (I'm paraphrasing here) "Do what your passionate about and turn it into a business. Most people think big money lies in corporations, but honestly there's money in anything if you work at it hard enough and put the time in. So do what you passionate about and your more likely to get there. Again I'm paraphrasing because it was a full conversation, but that was the basic gist of it.
bcccl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:12 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's terrific advice, thanks for sharing.
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What does your father think of him?
Madnessinmind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:52 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad's a bit of paradox sometimes based on his wealth, influence, and actual political opinions. So from a political standpoint I think he from a social policy perspective does not like Trump (though he says that doesn't matter to him really), from a business perspective he's split because on one hand he's bankrupt many of his companies and screwed people over, but in his mind most politicians are the same just quieter about itand he can't really deny that the man knows how to manage people to do his work for him from a charismatic perspective. Overall he's definetly in the "I'm not optimistic but I will wait and see camp".
On a personal level from what my dad has said he's been nothing but nice to him and to my family. My dad admits that cause he has money and influence but to be fair my father has never donated or been apart of anything Trump put his name on. Mostly because he thinks they're terrible ideas, they're highly risky, and not well thought out (his words). So once again a bit of a switch.
Also just to clarify he is a registered independant and I honestly don't know who he voted for.
Five_Decades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:47 on December 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every post here says he is nothing like he came across in the campaign. I do sincerely hope he was just faking his persona for the campaign and that his real personality is who he acts like when the cameras are off.
How you treat strangers on the street has very little impact on your public persona, so Id assume that is his real personality. I hope.
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LzyPenguin ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 18:33:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not gonna lie that sounds sick. I wish I could fly in on my personal helicopter and then have to make the decision if I should take the rolls Royce or the Ferrari.... what a tough life...
StephentheGinger ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:44:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now he can no longer drive himself on public roads
Kendra1432 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:54:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mo money mo problems... Or so I've heard, I can't relate!
Devilheart ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:00:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you imagine choosing between the two Rolls Royce or the two Ferraris?
Dewgong550 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:50:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually would be difficult
Devilheart ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:57:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now he has to fit in all the perks that come with being President!
75ta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has to trade in a Rolls for a Caddy and trade a 757 for a 747.
I don't think he's doing it for the perks.
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It may be an easy life now but he still worked hard to become the president. Now he's going to have one of the toughest lives.
MachReverb ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, you mean going places? Doing shit? Fuck that, I have a backlog on Netflix and a half bottle of whiskey. Life is good.
Epidemilk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:04:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do that in the helicopter or limo?
Jenneva86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to suck for him not being able to drive either of them in the future
Blanglegorph ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:20:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was probably a turboshaft engine, not a jet engine.
USCAV19D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A turbo shaft is a jet engine.
Blanglegorph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's really not. The propulsion doesn't come from the exhaust being shot out the back of the engine.
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That isn't what makes it a jet. Suck, squeeze, bang and blow. By your standard a turboprop isn't a jet either.
Blanglegorph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't personally call a turboprop a jet, but at least some of the thrust does in fact come from the exhaust:
From wikipedia.
For another example, I wouldn't call the engine in the back of an Abrams a jet engine. It's a gas turbine to be sure, but it's not really a jet engine if the thrust doesn't come from the jet.
USCAV19D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:18 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It operates on the same principles, and in general they're all referred to as gas turbines, jet engines, turboshafts/props/jets fairly regularly. But technically, you're correct - and technically correct is the best kind of correct.
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That's actually fair.
puppuppuppuppup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cameron Diaz, Scott disick from the Kardashians and many more. Those last 3 words made me laugh out loud.
sparklebrothers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:56:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meaning he bumped into you as you were passing each other in a hallway? High school bully style?
Frames_Jnco ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm...
sharkb44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live 10 mins from his course in Bedminster. Was wondering if it'd get mentioned.
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sharkb44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:) Hunterdon or Somerset?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
President "Donny"
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Shit, I never thought I'd see Avicii's name get dusted off again.
tathata ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scott stories? My wife watches KWTK and he doesn't seem like a great guy...
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Dmilioni ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 21:40:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you post one for hillary? Im curious to see if there will be a similar reaction.
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 22:14:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did and I got downvoted to hell for it.
monkeiboi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:32:52 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two reasons.
Trump supporters don't want to read anything nice about Hillary.
Clinton supporters don't want to read all the crap that will be thrown at her.
I think the difference here is A LOT of Clinton supporters desperately want to read anything good about Trump.
yuube ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:13:00 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Hillary isnt our president, I could see downvotes based on that alone, shes kind of irrelevant, and that kind of comes off as a competition of whose better again.
2) From what ive seen a lot of people who have met Hillary said she was a raging bitch.
yuube ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:13:07 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Hillary isnt our president, I could see downvotes bazed on that alone, shes kind of irrelevant, and that kind of comes off as a competition of whose better again.
2) From what ive seen a lot of people who have met Hillary said she was a raging bitch.
sensitiveinfomax ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:33:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I got down voted. I don't get it.....
1911_ ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 01:37:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now you see how any right leaning posters felt pre Election Day. The shift is drastic.
JonWood007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the left wing voters who didn't fall in line....
1911_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This too.
goopymoopy ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 23:44:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There have been a lot of people that worked for the Clintons that say she and Chelsea are extremely rude. I think die hard Hillary supporters are probably aware of that and don't want it dredged up.
wdngyre ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:18:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually met her when she came to support a nonprofit I volunteered for at one of our events (we were a branch of Americorps). She was very nice and actually spent far more time talking to us than I would have expected, seemed genuinely interested in what we did. She was the First Lady back then; it was a long time ago!
ExpatJundi ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 05:26:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've known two guys that met Hillary. Actually more than that but only two stories come to mind. The first one was a young kid that drove her through Baghdad, or more accurately between the airport and the embassy and back so not exactly "through". I asked what she was like because she's notoriously shitty to security, cops and military. He said she was nice and asked him a bit about himself. This kid was literally the only person I've heard saying anything nice about her and I semi attribute it to him being so young and just kind of endearing.
The other was working an event as security for someone else. She walked up to him thinking he was Secret Service and he said no, sorry, I'm with Company X. Months later he was working another event where she was, she walked by him, paused and said "Company X, right?" He was very impressed that months later she remembered what company this random guy worked for from a seconds long interaction. Then one of her security guys said (out of her earshot) "she remembers everything, it keeps me up at night." The guy I knew thought it was Secret Service with her but based on the time frame it was probably Diplomatic Security.
These things stick out because she was a general reputation of being horrible and despised by her security people. I've never heard anything specific because professional security people generally keep their mouths shut.
ChargedPluto64 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:53:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't met either, but I have family that works with secret service when they come to town and have given summaries of the politicians:
Trump: very nice, less arrogant than portrayed in media, but still a little arrogant, always full-steam ahead, but will change direction quickly if it's the wrong direction. Difficult for his managers to work with because he will sometimes hear their advice, say "ok" and then continue on the way he wanted
Hillary: incredibly late, not the typical politician late, but like supposed to arrive in town at 10/10:30 to be at an event by 11, hasn't even left home in NY by 11 (two-ish hour flight from here). Always disheveled, without a belt or scarf or something that she then "barks" at an assistant to grab. Apparently her go-fers seem more stressed than others, maybe this is related? Doesn't usually stay very long (even compared to other politicians). Is always going over what to say last minute.
Obama: Is a great speaker, when he can say something rehearsed. If asked a question that wasn't explicitly practiced, gets flustered and can't form a good response. Nice, personable guy though, nothing terrible to work with from a security stand point
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:14:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Michelle? Please tell me Michelle O. is as nice as I think.
ChargedPluto64 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:25:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't talk about her much that I hear of, so I would take that to be a good thing. The Obama administration (again, what I've been told) overall isn't terribly difficult to work with and is nice enough
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:16:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary's been guarded by the Secret Service since 1992. Since that time, she's been First Lady for 8 of those years, Senator for 8, and Secretary of State for 4. Plus campaigning to be president for ~2. She's not as available to the general public.
Ehh but hers would be 90% bullshit, just like this one.
Five_Decades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:09 on December 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5dbxk1/serious_people_who_have_met_or_dealt_with_hillary/
z3r0Var0c ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 03:22:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a couple friends meet the Donald in the past. I have never heard a negative story about him, up until the election. During the whole deal, I was convinced he was kind of rallying support rather than actually being the clueless orangutan he was pretending to be. Man's a genius, if you ask me.
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Rametz1 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:38:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was just a baby, I got a picture taken with him outside of Trump Tower. My family says he was very cordial.
Spin_Me ยท 462 points ยท Posted at 18:20:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him at an event around 2005. He was standing alone and I walked up and spoke about a project my agency was working on that included his brand.
Just like any other celebrity, he was like any other normal person in his line of work. Quiet, reserved, listens more than he talks and a bit arrogant when he does open his mouth.
ZigZagDUCK ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 19:51:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about these one-time chance encounters with celebrities is that it's just one particular day so you never know how someone is feeling or what kind of day they're having. Even celebrities have good days and shitty days, can't judge anyone based on one encounter.
Celiac_Sally ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:29:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I like about threads like these, though. A few dozen peoples' one time encounter adds up to a rough estimate of what these people are really like. Obviously it's not credible, especially in the situations in this thread specifically where he's likely trying to impress everyone, but it gives a small hint of his ability to act like a reasonable adult around people.
beanx ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 20:04:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS. People shit on Lars Ulrich of Metallica A LOT, but i got the chance to spend an evening with him and his lady (and a number of other folks) and it was awesome. Totally cool, regular dude. I think people forget that famous people are just...people. We all have good days and bad days. You really cant judge someone by ONE chance encounter (i mean, you can, but it's probably not accurate).
tetramitus ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 20:41:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People shit on Lars because of his hand in napsters demise, and anything else is based on that.
Purple-Leopard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:29:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and people tend to over exaggerate their stories and blow minor things out of proportion. Especially when the incident happened a really long time ago and your memory is fuzzy.
Spin_Me ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:21:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the end, they're a regular person like you and I. I've mingled and worked with a lot of celebs and nationally-known politicians and I always remind myself that they're just regular folks and not very special. It keeps me from ever acting star-struck and allows me to conduct business.
There are probably two or three living celebs/leaders who - if we were to meet - I would have a hard time keeping my act together
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Who is the nicest celebrity you've interacted with?
Spin_Me ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ed Norton. He lives in my 'hood and is a regular guy.
Boyd Tinsley from Dave Matthews Band - if you're not careful, he'll buy you something. He likes the act of giving
Ray Boom Boom Mancini - He'll spend thirty minutes with a an old fan to discuss boxing
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Random; Evander Holyfield is super cool in person.
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daryltry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:57:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow, are you esl? That was escruciating to read.
CraterCroucher ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 20:16:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Didnt meet him, but I attended one of his rallies. At the rally he was talking of the San Bernadino shooting. He said that if there were guns on the other side of the room a couple of people like this guy, pointing to me, "the big guy with the beautiful beard". Then he said "hes almost got as good a hair as I do", after the crowd was yelling "better!", Trump said "better, better hes got better!" It was a pretty cool moment. Not very often that a billionaire now president elect compliments your beard.
EDIT: This was in Valdosta, GA back in March the day before Super Tuesday. The rally was actually at my college (Go Blazers) so I just walked over to our Auditorium from my house and waited for 3 hours to ensure I got a up close spot.
Heres a pic to prove it- http://imgur.com/a/kM7n5
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Taylor814 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 00:23:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the cameras bend like pretzels if there's a protester...
usernamewillendabrup ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:59:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beard pic?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:14:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We gotta have beard pics!
CraterCroucher ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:46:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heres me at the rally
http://imgur.com/a/kM7n5
Flope ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:55:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't get much better proof than that! I wanted to go to a rally but I live in California and thought I'd get the shit beat out of me.
CraterCroucher ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:06:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That truly is sad. Like that one woman that jad eggs thrown at her by "protesters"..
the_calibre_cat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:37:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That moment:
https://youtu.be/rnKYkRyExno?t=1h7m10s
heisenburg69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:38:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha wow that was you? I saw that live. Pretty cool!
CraterCroucher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Valdosta Georgia?
milhouseisa_meme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:21:54 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at his rally CO held after the attempted assassination in Reno. He didn't even mention it. Instead, he invited the parents of Riley Rone (a young man who was apparently a huge Trump fan, died in a car accident) so he could honor them after he heard their story from Riley's friends. The mom made a short speech and said Trump called her to tell her how sorry he felt, and if he could give up his fortune to bring Riley back he would. I don't think Trump expected Mrs Rone to say that, he looked taken aback when she told that story. He just seems like such a wonderful person who wants to put Americans first
-Jesse_James- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:21:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beard pics or it didn't happen!
CraterCroucher ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:46:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heres me at the rally
http://imgur.com/a/kM7n5
-Jesse_James- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a dope beard! Facebook default picture Foshure
LavenderSmuggler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm into it
LavenderSmuggler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:31:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want a beard pic
troyk890 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:27 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hey, he pointed out my "big beautiful beard" at the Fort Worth rally. Nice to meet another member of the beautiful beard master race.
That was also the rally where Chris Christie endorsed him for the first time, and where he did the "IT'S RUBIO!" bit and splashed water all over the stage.
walkenimpression ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:21:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Around 2010-2011, I worked in Palm Beach as a valet at various restaurants and house parties, so I would see him quite regularly when he was around town. I never parked his car because he usually had a driver with him, but he was always fairly nice whenever I saw him, saying hello and even tipping when he left even though he didn't park his car with me. One specific instance I remember is when he was leaving a restaurant around Christmas time, he handed me a hundred dollar bill. A lot of my interactions with him lead me to believe he was playing a character while campaigning.
medallions ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:35:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I own a small business in NYC. I've met DT a couple times in the course of doing business.
In person he's a gentleman and cordial. Very commanding posture. He's got an ability to make you feel like you're the most important person in the room when conversing..
Good-Writer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:05:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read the Clinton Ask Reddit Thread. This is exactly how they described Bill Clinton, same sentence and all.
yuube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:44 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps thats why they were both elected.
_WHO_WAS_PHONE_ ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 21:09:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FINALLY! MY TIME TO SHINE!
The Donald spoke at a conference I went to in 2009, and he was one of the most down-to-earth people I've ever listened to. He spoke about family matters and the troubles of being a parent. He touched on political correctness and how he (and I quote) "doesn't give a shit."
10/10 would listen to a [not so] self-righteous billionaire again.
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I didn't meet him, but my old boss did, many times, while building one of the Trump casinos. As background, this boss was a huge man, with a personality to match. He took no shit from anyone (well, almost) and literally brow beat one guy until he threw up. He was also very honest. Anyway, in a meeting with Trump about design delays and cost overruns, Trump called him a liar about a previous agreement. After the meeting, one of Trump's henchmen leaned over and whispered in his ear. Trump came over, apologized for calling him a liar, gave him a Trump Casinos cap and gave him a tour of his plane (they both flew private jets to the meeting).
prancingElephant ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:44:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most astonishing one to me. He apologized?! Maybe Douchebag Trump really was all just an act.
GoldenSama ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 22:43:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents used to play poker at his casino in Atlantic City all the time. They'd see him come into the poker rooms sometimes, always surrounded by women. My dad spoke to him a few times. He didn't like him very much, said he seemed like a used car salesman. Ironically my dad ended up liking him just fine more recently. I never personally met him, but I do remember thinking it was weirdly arrogant that all the room keycards had his face on them.
turbozed ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 07:18:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Ive scrolled through about 100 of these and yours is the first non-positive experience with Trump (and its 3rd hand and not so bad either). This is not what I was expecting.
jellybabies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:21 on December 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Siege-Torpedo ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 23:00:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the Fire Company that used to attend his Fourth of July party. I met him once. He was taking a photo op with our tower ladder. I offered to let him go up the tower ladder with the flag hanging off the bucket and take pictures up there. He refused and said he didn't like heights, and sent Donald Jr. up instead.
AnotherPint ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:10:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then he ought to be building subway systems, not skyscrapers.
Good-Writer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:13:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He will. :)
MrsKravitz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:06 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet he lives on the 58th floor of Trump Tower!
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 19:52:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A few years ago I worked for a large real estate developer in Manhattan. My first day of work, I saw Donald Jr. and Ivanka in the office. I didn't get to speak to them as they were in the conference room, but Ivanka is gorgeous in person.
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LordPresidentLEC ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:39:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is slightly against the OP since it did occur after the race started but I'd like to share anyway.
I met the Donald in Iowa at his last rally before the Iowa Caucuses. It was in Cedar Rapids. During his speech I took a picture of his daughter Ivanka(I was close, third row) and she locked eyes with me and smiled which was cool. After he finished I met him and Melania. When he came by I was starstruck to an extent and only muttered "hi Donald Trump" in a super shaky voice. He disregarded my hello, grabbed me up in a huge hand shake that thrashed me from side to side while screaming "Make America Great Again!!!" right in my face. It was awesome.
That night I also met him at his concession speech in Des Moines when he lost to Cruz. I was front row right next to the curtain that hid the "Behind the scenes" and I actually saw him as he went to take the stage. He muttered to Ivanka something along the lines of "let's get this f***ing thing over with". Probably because he came in second. Overall awesome experience, mostly surprised by his height.
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PlatinumGoon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:18:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of pilot lands on a frickin green, I don't understand why Trump would tell him to do that either, makes zero sense
Serberus190 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:55:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
make a statement/ entrance?
PlatinumGoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:58:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Landing and ruining a green is a negative entrance IMO but I don't know how the course was set up either. Landing on a fairway seems way smarter
michmochw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:57:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you posted this comment before in another thread? I swear I've heard this story before...
giro_di_dante ยท 361 points ยท Posted at 19:27:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at the RNC and met Trump and most of the Trump family. I also worked with them individually for a few days (won't say what I was doing). Let's just say that during most of my interactions, it was just me, one of the Trump family members, and maybe 1 or 2 other people (publicists, speech writers, significant others, etc.).
It was a chaotic time, and as you can imagine, their minds were on a million things. But I found each one of them to be polite and even-tempered. Ivanka in particular was a sweetheart. Tiffany was really sweet (although really nervous about being so involved in something so big). Eric was very friendly to me. And Donald Jr. was a little bit of an asshole, though it was surely the stress of those days (I knew what it was that had him so stressed when I interacted with him - more the cause of a mistake made by "his people" than him being an inherent asshole).
Donald, by and large, was friendly and calm. Greeted everyone around him, spoke politely and gratefully to everyone he met.
I can also say the same thing about Mike Pence. Spent a lot of time with him. Some of his views are archaic, but it's really the product of his old-fashioned upbringing. Otherwise he was a really genuine man. I found myself thinking on multiple occasions that he'd be a great dad, uncle, grandpa, etc. And the type of man you'd want as a neighbor/in your community. Strong convictions, modest lifestyle, very personable and polite.
I could give more details, but my job prevents me from doing so. Take it as you will. All in all: 10/10 would meet again.
reirarei ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 03:55:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of Trump by any means. But with that said, I always noticed that his kids were never in the tabloids or making assholes of themselves alla Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan style back in the day. Say what you will about the president elect, but he and Ivana (his first wife) seem to have done a great job in raising their kids to be polite and down to earth versus spoiled entitled snots.
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Plus, his son, Baron, is so good with computers it's unbelievable.
jimmydorry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:52 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where does this stem from? Is this legit?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:07:22 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/bYJ_H2c5IWc
MeowntainMan ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:43:04 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that he just throws in a compliment for his kid. Love it.
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Marla Maples seems like a wonderful mother as well. Say what you will about her having an affair with a married man, but she handled her divorce as gracefully as one can, didn't ask for a ton of money, and has always put the well-being of her daughter Tiffany first and foremost. By all accounts, Trump currently has great relationships with both Marla and Ivana, which speaks volumes about what great parents all three of them must be.
rainer_d ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:29:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to chuckle at "modest lifestyle" ;-)
HonoredPeoples ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:22:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence only makes around $100k. Single income IIRC. Its definitely a comfortable living, but he's far from "rich" even by Indiana standards.
giro_di_dante ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 06:03:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me when I say his upbringing is modest. Don't know how much money he's packing in his back account (if any at all), but he's a modest guy. Boring, many would call him. Even me. But modest nonetheless.
TheSeaOfThySoul ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:25:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence is also waterproof, he never gives up and he's a time traveller.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about Melania?
giro_di_dante ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:04:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't meet her.
colonelmerkin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 03:28:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No woman in her right mind would want Mike Pence as a father.
giro_di_dante ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 06:04:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all women are the same. I know. Blew my mind, too, when I left house.
colonelmerkin ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:34:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said no woman in her right mind.
giro_di_dante ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:36:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're the one who judges officially who has a right mind and who doesn't? Good to know. I'll send all future significant others to use and make sure I get the "right mind" stamp of approval. Might save me a lot of trouble.
colonelmerkin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you do that... I'm an aware enough woman to know that Mike Pence, as well as Trump and his administration, do NOT have my best interests in mind. Pence, Trump, and the Republican Party have a horrible track record regarding women's reproductive rights and women's rights in general. That is why I said that no woman in her right mind would want Pence as a father.
giro_di_dante ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:20:47 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no such thing as an administration having the best interests of everyone in their mind all the time. So no matter what, there will be winners and losers. Both on a micro and macro scale.
I agree with you in many ways. I didn't vote Trump/Pence. And I do feel that women have the right to choose.
But I also don't think tax payer dollars should pay specifically for abortions. Contraception? Yes. Health? Yes. Education? Yes. Abortions? No. (All in reference to PP).
And you also have to consider that he honestly believes he's right. He's not trying to be malicious and nefarious or evil or misogynistic. He thinks that the moment a cell begins developing, then it's a human life and should be treated as such. And there are even people in science who might not be able to give you a definitive answer on that. It's hard to come to a consensus on where to draw the line. For Pence and people like him (including millions of women, of many religions and many ethnicities), they would absolutely agree with him. It doesn't mean that they're not in their right minds. It means you differ greatly on a very sensitive subject.
I think society is better off NOT having unwanted and potentially neglected children. And women should have the right to choose. But I'm not going to tell people who believe that human life starts at inception and that abortion is immoral and that tax dollars shouldn't pay for such things...that they're not of a right mind.
And just because you disagree on a major issue doesn't mean that he's unfit to be a father. You disagree with him on this very conflicting issue. And that's totally fair. But I can assure you that you'd like a man like him in your community or as a father than the majority of the other filth that crawl our country.
dogcatsnake ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 20:24:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's not that his views are archaic, but threatening to over half of the population of the US (any kind of minority, basically anyone that isn't a white male, anyone who believes in climate change or science..)
RancidTurnip ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:46:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White women are the largest demographic in the US, how are they a minority?
dogcatsnake ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're treated like one!
I'll change minority to oppressed group, how's that?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:23:32 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump and Pence are oppressing white women, how come the majority of white women voted for Trump?
dogcatsnake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:49 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't just say white women, I said all women.
He didn't get many EDUCATED white women to vote for him.
RancidTurnip ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:03:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Much better. #EndOppression
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RancidTurnip ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:12:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Which ones?
BryyBryy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:45:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Threatening to what? I'm kind of curious to see what you think he will do to every non white make as the VP.
dogcatsnake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Threatening to: climate change policies and environmentalism, womens rights, abortion rights, education
That's all I could think of in five seconds but it's enough!
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It seems silly to suggest that Trump/Pence are not in agreement with women's stance of their rights or abortion because according to exit polls basically half of female voters voted Republican. I'm not a Republican, but it's pretty obvious that the democrats don't get to claim that they're helping women when half of women are voting against their platform. SOME women agree with the republican stance on rights and abortion and SOME some agree with the democrat one.
Cutting common core was part of their platform and seems in line with what most liberal people I know believe in for education (removing generic curriculum controls and standardized testing and focusing on teacher-made, teacher-approved methods).
a3wagner ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:04:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of women are pro-life. I believe it's more of a religious thing than a woman thing.
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I would imagine so. I wasn't arguing against that.
dogcatsnake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that many women voted for Trump. There are many many women who are pro-life. I'm not sure what you're trying to say by pointing that out. I'm not saying they aren't in agreement with women on that, but that it's a womens rights issue and they are VERY CLEARLY not working hard for womens rights. They want to cut back on access to abortion or outright outlaw it, they are already talking about limiting access to birth control by overturning some of the affordable care act. It's fine if this doesn't apply to some women, if they don't care, or if they don't agree with abortion, but that's not their decision to make for ALL women. And it's definitely not Trump/Pence's.
CreativeGPX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This is the place where people start plugging their ears. Pro-life people aren't trying to ban abortion in order to tell all people what to do. They're doing it because they are trying to close a loophole they perceive in enforcing laws that ban murder. So, while you can disagree with them it's completely disingenuous to suggest that it's just a women's rights issue or that it's that pro-life people are trying to meddle in the private business of others.
They have just as much right to try to make laws about it as your do to try to make laws about child abuse. Sure you can say that abusing your child is "parents' rights" and that they don't have the grounds to decide for all parents what abuse is. ... But... it's pretty well established that you do have that right to meddle in that way.
Just like you might not perceive "child abuse" as parents' rights, they might not perceive abortions as "women's rights". In the end, it's arbitrary which rights we decide are women's rights. Democrats chose a certain mix of them and Republicans chose another and women are pretty split about which definition of women's rights is right. It's not even as though saying "well adding a choice for a woman is clearly more rights" makes sense because then literally anything ever could be women's rights. If I want to give women the right to steal people's cars, I could make that same argument and say that anybody who opposes my plan is against women's rights. In the end, "women's rights" is not just about if they're getting more choices, it's whether one agrees that they have the rights/choices they ought to have.
dogcatsnake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That may be true but this has been a womens rights issue for DECADES and has been law for DECADES so the fact that they're trying to take away this right (which has in fact been defined as a right for DECADES) is an issue. And you're right, it's not just a womens issue, it's a problem for men too.
They may perceive it as murder, but by all legal definitions, it is not. So that should really be case closed.
CreativeGPX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, meaning that for decades people (including women) have failed to convince each other that their view of women's rights is better/right. Which emphasizes how subjective the matter actually is.
Not really. Slavery had been legal for decades. Men-only voting had been a right for decades. Boundless monopoly practices had been a right for decades. Not reporting your income to the government had been a right for decades. Cocaine use had been a right for decades. Insider trading had been a right for decades. Dueling had been a right for decades. ... How long something has been a right has little to do with the legitimacy of trying to get it removed. That's sort of the basis of the civil rights movement, that something could have been wrong for so long. When you make a rule before widely convincing the democracy you're right, like abortion or prohibition, then you naturally get backlash where people you never convinced want to (and have the right to) undo or limit your change.
Which is why they are trying to change the law in order to have the law cover the full scope of what they perceive as murder.
Also, by some legal definitions it is, like when some states charge a person for killing a pregnant person.
It seems incredibly ironic that somebody arguing for a socially progressive platform is suggesting that laws and legal precedents should never be changed.
dogcatsnake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should not be changed to a more conservative viewpoint given how much more we know about science, what works and doesn't work in terms of policies, etc.
Clearly there's no point in arguing with you... I just hope they stay the hell out of my uterus and that I continue to have access to birth control and the ability to make decisions about my own reproduction.
CreativeGPX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That kind of charlatanism is what people on that side mean when they bash intellectualism because this isn't a matter of science proving anything at all but you're hiding behind that word. Science literally has no capability of saying what ought to be. All that it can do is answer (1) what likely was, (2) what likely is and (3) what is likely to be. Science can tell us the process by which life grows. Science can tell us the dangers a pregnant women might be in sometimes. Science can tell us at which points a fetus might feel pain. Those facts might impact the decision we come to. But science cannot tell us how to weigh those factors and what ultimately to decide. It cannot tell us when we ought to grant the right to life to a thing. It cannot tell us what things in the universe ought to be rights or not or how protecting one right should be allowed to interfere with protecting another. Science can't even tell us that any life matters. It can't tell us that anything matters. It cannot tell us at what point we stop protecting a small organism from being terminated by a big organism or a big organism terminated by a small organism. It cannot tell us if something's potential should matter, not just its current state. Science literally cannot offer any decisive answer over abortion. Your subjective decisions over what is right and wrong can only help you think about which scientific findings matter to you and which don't. So, it's incredibly ignorant and reflects a poor understanding of science and philosophy when people use science to say that they are more "right" in the discussion about abortion.
I'm not sure what that implies. I've been responding to your points directly with reasoning and logic. When I do, like explaining how your "decades of precedent logic" doesn't make sense, you haven't seemed to do anything to counteract that actual arguments I was making. If you see flaws in the way I'm disproving them, you should point out those flaws. That's how logical, fact-driven argument works. Frankly, you sound sort of like the evangelical types in that you're just acting like your own personal values should override everybody else's rather that recognizing that there is nothing special about your side of the argument or the morality you've chosen. Saying things like "stay the hell out of my uterus" is an ignorant response in an argument because pro-life people don't give a damn about your uterus, they care about the thing they perceive as living because murdered. So, argue with them on the point they actually are disagreeing on rather than making a strawman out of their argument.
I'm in favor of abortions, I just have the humility to admit that literally all stances on abortion are subjective. People who are against abortions are not necessarily against women's rights, they're not necessarily against science and they're not necessarily anything but kind, compassionate people who care about all of those around them.
It's fine to like your stance and fight for it and try to teach people why you think what you do, but it's unfounded, counterproductive and divisive to act as though your view is in an sort of way objectively right or that it'd be obvious to any person who had facts and compassion.
abusepotential ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:49:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's all that unusual for people to vote against their own interests.
But aside from abortion rights (and his views are extreme on that), Pence gutted Planned Parenthood funding in his state, leading to the closure of numerous clinics and cutting off many Indianans from their only local STD testing (as well as only access to cancer screening, and access to contraceptives). The result so far has been an "an exploding HIV outbreak" in his state according to the Chicago Tribune.
He also famously passed legislation that makes it legal for businesses to discriminate against same-sex couples.
He also doesn't believe in climate change.
He also passed huge tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations in his state.
And it goes without saying that he's crashed Indiana's economy.
CreativeGPX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:58:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of this, I don't personally support him. I'm just saying women and people in general can think that is all appropriate government behavior. You can say that you personally think that it's the wrong thing for government to do, but it's rather arrogant and baseless to say the women are voting against their interests just because they believe in different societal values and role of government than you. The left does not stand for women's rights any more than the right does. Some women like the vision of the left and some like the vision of the right.
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So, you seem to believe in rejecting democracy for low-income people who don't have a formal higher education?
(Also, saying it's his 2nd best voter group ignores the fact that lots of people not in that group voted for him. Your stereotyping all of his voters.)
But how are you so privileged as to know their interests better than they do?
Maybe you're the one who's been indoctrinated? Maybe both of you have been? We don't know because nobody can have a neutral, objective stance on what rights and society ought to be.
Yes, so rather than writing off their rights to have an opinion and a vote as you are, you should try to educate them. And if you fail to change their mind, you should have the humility to realize they are entitled to have a different idea of what women's rights or roles ought to be. It's a recipe for ignorance, arrogance and certainly oppression for you to make excuses for why large groups of people's opinions don't matter in our democracy. From that stance, I'd argue that you're oppressing women by saying that until you consider them educated and to have a decent income, you won't take their beliefs seriously. By all means, go out and argue with them to change their mind, but respect their opinion as as valuable as any vote.
abusepotential ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I guess this is where we differ: in my mind, having a major outbreak of HIV in your state that's almost directly connected to the closing of clinics is objectively bad for society. Less access to cancer screening for low-income women will result in more women dying of treatable cancers. Less access to contraception will result in more unwanted pregnancies, unwanted children, and the spread of sexually transmitted disease. These all seem objectively bad to me, and are/will be the unintended consequences of his religiously motivated policy decisions.
I guess we could go back and forth on whether cutting taxes for our wealthiest citizens is good for the economy, or whether gay people should have equal protection under the law, or whether climate change should concern us. But really more STDs more cancer-deaths more unwanted pregnancies has an upside?
CreativeGPX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There is literally no such thing as "objectively bad". It's subjective to decide what matters (e.g. life, lifespan, healthiness, etc.) and certainly how to weigh between two things that matter. So no sentence that claims something is good or bad can be objective.
What you can do, is claim that IF we share some assumption, then something would be bad. For example, "If you think X is of utmost importance, studies tend to show that Y hurts X, therefore Y would be bad." Here, it's still subjective, but you can identify the point of disagreement, X, because you're identifying the subjective part clearly. People often say "oh you can't refute that Y hurts X, so you hate X!" but disagreeing about X doesn't mean you completely don't care about it. It can mean you also care about something else too or that yo weight it differently against the other things. The key to intelligent and productive discussion isn't just presenting logic, it's identifying the subjective prereqs to that logic and trying to get on the same page there. This is where you often find that the people who disagree with you are both logical and care about the thing you do, they are just weighing it differently against other things they care about. And the key thing is, in this subjective realm there is no special authority to appeal to. In that subjective realm, you have to appeal to people's subjectivity about why they should weigh things as they do, but you have no authority to say that they are objectively wrong about it. That humility is key to our discourse. Then if you agree on all of the subjective parts and how they are weighted (X is clearly important enough to risk/interfere with A, B and C) and still disagree then, fine, let the logic/facts speak the difference.
abusepotential ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
admittedly it's dishonest for me to act like people were voting for those consequences (they weren't). I just think the chain of causation isn't clear to everyone. thus the voting against one's own interests thing.
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:53 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like Americans with black skin voting lock step for DNC candidates even though that is clearly against their self interests? BTW I love that Trump is popularizing treating each individual as a unique human being rejecting the identity politics of the past. Freedom may be possible once again.
Crappler319 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:54:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LGBT rights.
rodeopenguin ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 00:48:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is obviously the most pro LGBT president to ever take office.
Crappler319 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't Trump himself that I'm worried about. I don't think he personally cares, but I have little doubt he'll throw LGBT rights to the wolves to placate people in his administration.
profkinera ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:27:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doubt it.
HonoredPeoples ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:29:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, wasn't his entire campaign pretty much an open act of defiance toward the GOP establishment?
This is a guy that called the Bush administration out at a South Carolina GOP debate. Full-scale "Bush lied, people died" stuff -- pretty much RNC heresy. I question the number of fucks he really has to give about rustling GOP jimmies.
Crappler319 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but now he's pandering to an entirely different anti-establishment faction in the right that still doesn't like LGBT people.
See: Bannon, Pence, etc.
HonoredPeoples ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:51:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Bannon afaik doesn't have anything against gay people. He's worked with Milo Yiannopolous for years. Personally, I don't buy that he's antisemitic either. His biggest crime, as far as I can tell, seems to be that he runs the rightwing analogue of the Huffington Post and that he played a role in getting Trump elected over Hillary Clinton.
The fact that BB did a piece on the alt-right under Bannon is hardly proof that Bannon aligns himself with the absolute worst elements of the alt-right -- which, despite what CNN & Co. would have you believe, is a rather big tent. The only real unifying element is a rejection of neoconservatism and globalism.
As it stands, the left seems dead set and determined to play the "but we can't rule it out" game with Bannon. You ask if a person is ugly thing X based on the shaky possibility that the person is ugly thing X, and refuse to grant weight to any evidence to the contrary.
Also Trump bringing Peter Thiel in suggests to me that he really doesn't care, even if Pence isn't happy with it.
Crappler319 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dearly hope you're right, but I also think that we have ample reason to be concerned.
Particularly concerning is his avowed support of an act that would undo anti-discrimination laws put in place by Obama, and allow businesses to refuse to serve LGBT people, or fire them based on religious beliefs, etc.
His shortlist of potential Supreme Court nominees includes people who've expressed that they'd like to overturn marriage equality.
"It's a big tent" is precisely my concern. That big tent has a lot of really awful people under it, even if most of them aren't. There's a willingness to tolerate really repugnant shit that you don't see in many other places.
There's also the fact that quite a few (of the most vocal) proponents of the alt-right have defined it as explicitly a white nativist movement.
There's a fair amount to be concerned about here. Donald Trump himself is something of a blank slate, but the people he is looking at aren't, and it's almost all bad.
giro_di_dante ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:58:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The climate change is undoubtedly my biggest concern. But he and that cabinet won't be as big of a threat as people make out. Energy will go the way if the market, and the market is going towards green and efficiency. Even china and Russia are climbing on board, slowly but surely.
The Stone Age didn't end because we ran out of stone. It ended because something better came along and people realized it. And the people who didn't, well...they were left in the Stone Age.
As far as "over half"...meh. I hate combining small individual groups of people as some massive group. Making them all out to be the majority even though they have little in common and they're own individual issues, concerns, and desires. Over 50% of the population... Sounds like the tyranny of the minority.
dogcatsnake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a woman? Or black? Or Mexican? If not, I don't think you know how it feels to not be a white male, especially after this election.
giro_di_dante ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care how it feels to not be a white male.
And for reasons too plentiful for me to write it out.
dogcatsnake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's nice. Must be a lovely existence.
giro_di_dante ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:06:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fine, actually.
I wish no harm on anyone in this world. Ever. In fact, conversely, I wish everyone great happiness and joy.
Hamza_33 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:52:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"security clearance" - i always said its going to be a typical south asian style leadership, you get one you get them all. the whole family is involved some how.
what was your job btw if you dont mind?
cinepro ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:33:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Trump clarified today that his kids won't be getting security clearance.
Hamza_33 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:51:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
trump doesn't know the meaning of clarify
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It's funny that would work...
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LuckyPierrePaul ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:56:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was the structural engineer of record for a few developments of his. Only communicated with him once because I kept bumping heads with the architect. He sided with me and his people paid on time. Not much more I can ask for. Very straight forward and nice guy from my limited experience.
RX3000 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 01:40:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didnt meet him, but saw him at a rally last year & remember thinking, "Wow he really is that orange in real life." I had always just assumed the color on my TV was off a little bit or something. But nope, dude is orange.
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satinsartre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is irrelevant but OJ is great.
metaxa219 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:48:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a dinner event honoring a family member at Mar-a-Lago a few years ago. The Donald stopped by later on in the evening and shook hands, took pictures, etc. Was very personable in the short exchange I had with him. Apparently he commonly stops in to greet people when he's around.
akjoltoy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:54:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was on the apprentice. He was extremely friendly off camera.
Golfishard74 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:39:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Full disclosure, I am a liberal with a prole upbringing who supported Stein in the election, but I still wanted to share my brief encounter with Trump.
A few years back I had the pleasure of playing golf at Trump National in PV. While I was warming up on the range, I hear a familiar voice "That's a nice swing. You must be a scratch golfer." Low and behold, it's Donald Trump in golf gear and a ball cap. I laugh and tell him I'm not as good as I look. He says he likes my modesty and asks me what I think of the place. I tell him that the grounds are beautiful and that I'm excited to finally play the course. He shakes my hand, graciously thanks me for my patronage and tells me to let his staff know if there's anything I think could be improved about the experience. Then he moved on and chatted with some other folks on the range. Seemed like a nice enough guy to me.
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My family went to New York last December for his policy speech. I close enough to the front of the crowd, that I was able to talk to him after his speech. I introduced myself and asked him a couple questions regarding my views on him, and my politics. He said something that surprised me, and I quote below.
"I love women. I truly do, why else would anyone think otherwise? The proof is in the political pudding and when I am elected I want the women to know, that I'm all for them. Women are great, but they make mistakes. Isn't that why we have check and balances in our country? So they don't get out of hand?"
He was a friendly man, and spoke with less rhetoric than I though he would say in person. I do find it rather uncomfortable some of the things he says. But I believe he exaggerates on purpose and people misinterpret the reality of it.
itsfloridamon ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 01:11:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been 15 years since I've spent any time with him. But, back then he was a liberal democrat. Over the course of 2 years, I sat in on numerous private conversations. He was always foul mouthed. Most people thought he was funny. Everything he does is always the best. His employees are always the best. He's a master marketer. He would always say, "no publicity, is bad publicity". I've seen him donate millions of dollars at charity events. Mar a Lago is the only private club on Palm Beach that allows minorities. They hate him there because of that. I've seen him take employees on his private jet, let them use his limos and cars, put them up in trump towers and give them money to go out on the town. And I'm talking about service related job employees. He was a loving father. Great with his kids. Tiffany was a little girl. Baron wasn't born. Ivanka was actually nice. Eric was a Phish t shirt wearing, high school hippie and Don Jr. was as egotistical as you would expect. He had women in positions of power. And honestly the people he spent most of his time with were minorities. Of course celebrities like Russel Simmons and the like. But still minorities. He was a genuine, kind hearted person. I was proud to have known him back then. When he first through his name into the ring, I was excited. And then he started to say some crazy shit! But I truly believe this was all for publicity. And he kept saying crazier and crazier shit, to try to shoot himself in the foot. But that didn't work. So hopefully the liberal democrat I knew 15 years ago is still in there! At this point, that's our best hope. We sure as hell don't want Pence as POTUS!!
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:08:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nearly everyone in this thread who actually claims to know Trump seems shocked at his behaviour during the election. I just don't see how this behaviour helped him. Hillary won the popular vote, I'd think him not being a lunatic would have swayed many more voters. I mean, it worked in the end, would he have won without such a dramatic approach? Maybe being "extreme" was the only answer, I don't know.
BurnededPotato ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 03:31:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His behavior (whether or not it is genuine) had the effect of differentiating him from the extremely large pool of Republican candidates. The average voter can't tell the difference between a dozen candidates so Trumps behavior worked to set him apart from the other candidates. The media of course ate it up and gave him hours upon hours of publicity.
the_calibre_cat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:44:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Rand Paul, who played socially liberal, fiscal conservative, and lost.
itsfloridamon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:38:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was a huge publicity stunt gone awry. His message got progressively more extreme as time went on. Because the media and the far right were eating it up. I don't think he ever thought he had a chance. You can tell by his body language since the election. I've never seen him look this way. Where is the confident, ego driven Trump? It's like a complete 180 from campaign Trump.
Good-Writer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:30:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very dumb thing to say. He doesn't think he has a chance but does 5 rallies a day at the age of 70. I bet Hillary never thought she had a chance that's why she went weeks without campaigning and just got her surrogates working for her, how do you like that?
The truth is Hillary and Trump have been running since Hillary was in college in the 1960's and Trump become a business icon in the 1980's.
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Interesting. How was he with Melania?
itsfloridamon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:13:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew him before Melanie. And he would say, "his only vice was women". And he was definitely living that lifestyle. But I can remember when he first met Melanie. He instantly fell in love. she wore a sheer dress to dinner one night, and I could see why. And just like that, he was a one woman man. As far as I saw.
comped ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:14 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did you do for him?
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I bet both him and Melania one day while golfing with my dad, this was around the time he started purchasing locations for his Trump National line of courses. We were on the first hole and just after teeing off and a cart started coming up the fairway in the opposite direction. He apologized for driving through the game but also complimented me on my drive (I hit the ball pretty good for a little fat kid) and shook my hand and they were on their way. Never really thought much of it but can now say* I shook the hand of a president which as trivial as it sounds is still a pretty cool thing.
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This was actually my step-dad who met him but he was at some event and Donald Trump was there. My step-dad was sitting at the bar and offered Donald Trump a drink, Donald said no thanks because he was sober. End of story basically. Pretty interesting though that Trump is sober.
justSFWthings ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:31:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look up his brother Fred. :/
Serberus190 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:46:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump even tells his kids to never drink or smoke, they are distractions.
Callawayc7 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:14:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is very anti-alcohol because his brother Fred died due to alcoholism. Even on one episode of Celebrity Apprentice, he "fired" I think it was Khoe Kardashian because he found out she had a DUI.
thalos2688 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:12:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him at one of my clients about 7 years ago. He walked in the conference room unannounced, with a big smile on his face, and said "I want a piece of this deal! Put me in for 10%!" We were just managing an IT project so we all laughed.
He was gracious, charming, and humble. Shook my hand and made me feel like I was important. Then he and Ivanka posed for pictures with everyone. Honestly nothing like the candidate we saw, which convinced me it was all for show.
wester13 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:15:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to service his Boeing 757 as a line technician when he would come into Las Vegas. I've met him maybe 15 or so times over the years.
He was always pretty nice. He would smile and thank us when getting on or off of his aircraft, and usually would tip $100 both ways.
cmm2016 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:34:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I spent some time with him in his personal office in Trump Tower for what I guess I could describe as a school related thing last summer, and to be honest it was weird but he actually was really pleasant, unexpectedly so. UNTIL this woman came in to review a press release with him and he started yelling at her over the wording in it. Toward us he was extremely friendly and overall pleasant.
BroseidonSirF ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:14:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad met him at a restaurant. He says he played it cool and they spoke about steaks. My mom says my dad just stared at him in awe when he approached my dad.
grannygogo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 11:47:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many years ago my husband drove him home in the radio car when he and Ivana had an argument and left in his limo without him. He asked the nearest cop for a ride. He was very nice and respectful and asked my husband if he was married and shrugged his shoulders and said, "then you know these things happen sometimes".
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the IT guy for the building I work in also works with homeland security and has worked directly with any politician visiting our area for whatever reasons (conferences or personal visits), one of these being Donald Trump and has said that he is the most polite well rounded guy, always treats the people working for him/ with him with utmost respect and take pictures/gives autographs whenever anyone asks
mrnixxin ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:43:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father had dinner with him when he used to live and work in NYC, many man years ago. I was visiting with him recently and asked him about it; he said that he was extremely nice, polite, not loud, and at least appeared to show a genuine interest during conversation. He's been totally beguiled by his 'persona' this election cycle, and frequently comments "You know he's not really like that, right?"
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My grandma was on one of Trump's golf courses once and he saw her walking and offered her a ride in his golf cart. She said he was very nice in her brief encounter. This was probably 20 years ago or so, I think I'll call her and ask her what else she remembers now that he will be the president!
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Around 2007 or 08 I think, on a vacation trip with a college buddy we somehow got a free round of golf at one of Trump's courses. Trump was with another guy and asked if they could butt in on our game before we teed off. Of course we said yes.
Trump is the nicest guy. Very, very competitive but in a friendly way, never got mad. My buddy made a joke that we were just playing for fun and he should have mercy on us and Donald said something like "I really would if it wasn't my course but I can't lose on front of my employees. What would they think of me?" He paid for all of our drinks and food. Very cool, very down to earth guy. He was glad that we knew him from being a real estate mogul and he said he was glad we didn't know him as "The WWE guy" as he put it.
He thanked us two or three times and was gracious for letting them hop in on our game...as if he couldn't have just had the staff make us hold up and have him go before us.
TLDR: Play golf with Donald Trump if you want an old man to humiliate you at golf.
just4luck ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:50:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him in 1989 at a book signing for "the art of the deal" which everyone should read. Its a great book and has helped me my entire life. He was awesome and took the time to talk to my little brother who is autistic.
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WhiteOrca ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:13:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Donald said that he doesn't drink or smoke.
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Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with a Zippo?
cigarsandlegs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If one is not very careful with a Zippo, the cigar will taste like lighter fluid. It's possible to light a cigar and not impart the taste, it's just very difficult.
(A match can also foul the cigar if done improperly, but it isn't as "easy".)
dirtybitsxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:50 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I was told. It has to do with the gas ruining the flavor
Thinaran ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:31:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A real man lights a cigar with a match. It's just how it's done.
Koulditreallybeme ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:47:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will get buried but whatever it's a great story. I was playing Doral with some friends, two of whom were local pros where I'm from, and they were complaining about the course and how the renovations were goofy rather than tests for the golfer (for those not that familiar with golf, the sign of good course design is that you get rewarded for hitting good shots and randomness is kept minimal--fair but tough). Then as we're going up to get the second shots, Donald Trump rolls up right behind us in his cart and (of course) yells: "Isn't this the best damn par 5 you've ever played?" He didn't stop to chat or anything, he just grinned to himself and drove away.
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And now that you've posted this story online and that seed has finally blossomed. This thread is reinforcing to me that Trump is a fucking genius.
Good-Writer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:39:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me more.
papiodaniel ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 08:24:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked on his campaign and at different times this year spent a day with Eric Trump, some time with Ivanka, some time with Donald Jr, and a decent amount of time with Mr. Trump as well.
Never had a bad interaction with any of them, and despite being a staffer on the campaign you got the sense that they valued everyone around them and everything that they were doing.
Some things you never really hear about Mr. Trump are that at nearly every single one of his campaign rallies he would have staff find veterans, wounded vets, and police officers in the crowd and invite them backstage to meet him either before or after the event. If you've never worked on a presidential campaign, this is something usually reserved for elected officials and big donors, but if we were ever running short on time he wanted us to do everything we could to make sure this happened, even if it meant not letting elected officials and the like backstage to meet him.
I didn't start off supporting Mr. Trump in the primary, and was hesitant when I joined the campaign still, but after seeing the level of respect and decency he displayed behind closed doors I was all in.
Mikey5time ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your unbiased opinion.
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My grandparents frequented his casino when it had the name TRUMP Castle in Atlantic City. I don't know if their frequent visits made them high rollers or what, but they use to say how Trump made it a point to talk to them with every visit. Trump came into the restaurant and sat at their table and talked with them for like 10 minutes and whether they briefed him to freshen his memory or not, I don't know, BUT he knew them by name and remembered what my grandfather did for a living and would ask every time. He'd call them in their room after arriving, and tell the different workers to take care of them.
My grandmother misplaced her watch during one of the visits, she expressed this to Trump when he visited them and he promised the hotel would find it. They couldn't, but a replacement showed up in the mail within days with a note signed by Mr Trump detailing a jeweler 10 minutes from their home to visit if the watch needed resizing and that the expense would be taken care of.
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colechampagne ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 21:00:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a (very liberal) friend that does teleprompter work in LA and he was hired to run the teleprompter for one of Trump's speeches (maybe 4-6 months ago). He went to a house that presumably belonged to Trump somewhere here in LA. He said the house was really nice, but not nearly as lavish as he expected. He said there were quite a few people around and a lot of commotion but that above all else, Trump just seemed really, really tired and kept commenting to that effect. My buddy was there for a couple hours just hanging out before they finally started working through the speech on the teleprompter. He said Trump wasn't overly nice or a dick, he just cordially focused on the task at hand and that was about it. Afterwards, he thanked my buddy and gave him a $50 bill as a tip. My buddy felt very conflicted about the whole interaction because he felt like he was helping his enemy (and in a way he was).
eazolan ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 23:38:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who disagree with you politically are not "The enemy". If you view them as such, you've either been programmed, or you're literally in the middle of a revolution.
imtimewaste ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:42:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there's disagreeing with someone politically, then there is disagreeing on issues as fundamental as human rights and liberty. It's hard not see someone as an enemy that is threatening your way of life or your personhood.
Not saying Trump is doing those things, but also not not saying that.
eazolan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:49:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it's not hard. But it's wrong.
imtimewaste ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:52:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so.
Serberus190 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:04:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did his kindness change your buddy's opinion on him?
colechampagne ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:49:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it humanize him a bit in my buddy's eyes, but it didn't change his political disagreements with Trump. One funny side note--he didn't know what to do with the $50. A part of him felt like it was given to him by (the now) future president and that's just kind of cool, the other part of him felt like there was no way to prove it was from Trump and $50 is $50. I should ask him, but I bet he just ended up spending it.
Good-Writer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he at least kept one dollar.
DogBarq ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:09:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That conflict your friend felt was cognitive dissonance. His brain was having a hard time resolving the conflict of the programmed view of the public person versus the person he actually met.
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izzefrizze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I saw him do the hand pull move to Pence on his election day victory speech.
Meb112 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 19:45:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez, where was this guy during the election?
onetimeforacomment ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 21:09:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was right below the surface. If you let articles, social media, or news shows tell you how to feel/think about him (I did) then you didn't get the true picture (I didn't.)
Go back and watch what he actually said on the campaign trail in their full context and decide for yourself.
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Yes. A thousand times yes
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Amen. Even now the media prefaces everything with "After a long and divisive campaign, Trump (ate a steak dinner)". And try to find an article that doesn't mention his "misogyny" or "racism" like it is a settled debate that he is both.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:59:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, HITLER ate dinner, too.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:17:03 on February 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Dude. Did he not say all the crazy shit he said? Did the media make him say pussy grabber?
ChaseObserves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:24 on February 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my hell. I am so sick of this shit. This is the one thing everyone falls back on. "Trump did this amazing thing" PUSSY GRABBER "Trump tipped entry level staff $100 with regularity" PUSSY GRABBER "I've interacted with Trump 20 or so times and he was genuine and down to earth every time" PUSSY GRABBER
Likeโฆ give it a fucking rest. He said that in 2005 behind closed doors in a machismo pissing match with another celebrity. Not gonna say what he said was okay, but what IS okay is a person making a mistake. No one said he's perfect. The media DOES twist headlines to paint him negatively literally every day. Both you and I and 99% of men on this planet have likely described women in a piggish way amongst friends at least once in their life.
I'm not even a Trump mega fan. I'm disappointed in a lot of things he's said. But what I am a fan of is just being logical and fair. Continuing to drag out the pussy grabber thing as the end-all be-all of his character is neither logical nor fair, it's bullshit.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 19:55:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in my echo chamber, utterly convinced Trump would not win. But yeah, someone should have asked this sooner.
WakkkaFlakaFlame ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:05:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so you were the increasingly nervous man!
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:10:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The increasingly nervous man?
WakkkaFlakaFlame ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:34:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
etcetcetc
the_calibre_cat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:41:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look... we were ALL the increasingly nervous man.
TrumpGal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:32 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a late reply but here http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
And this is a great thread. Thanks for starting it.
eazolan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:35:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When "that guy" was Bush, the media savaged him. When "that guy" was Romney, the media savaged him.
Being "that guy" is a liability. It was better to go on the offensive to deal with a media that was solely on the Democrat's side.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:06:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing he said was as bad as the media made it out to be. Not defending things he has said. But like out of all the crazy Trump talk... there really aren't that many direct quotes that are that bad. Especially if you take the full context.
Callawayc7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:06:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think the media would show anything nice about Trump? Even now they are still at it!
nomi1030 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:42:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was appealing to a huge base of voters and telling them what they wanted to hear. That is how you get elected in America.
yuube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:01 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was more just showing that hes willing to have dissenting opinion and stand up for what he thinks is right, whether he follows through with certain things or not. That was his appeal, more than just telling people what they wanted to hear. Him and his vp actively disagree on things, I dont remember that happening in my life time.
cinepro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People say that all the time about candidates (usually the losing ones). If you see the documentary "Mitt" which shows Romney behind the scenes of his 2012 campaign, it shows a totally different side of him. When Bob Dole did the talk show circuit after his loss in 1996, he was funny, personable and came off as a really great guy, whereas during the campaign he was just old and boring.
yuube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:08 on January 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The internet allowed this cycle to change, hence the person they tried to shoot down as usual won.
hellrazzer24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:48:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Media turned him into a 10/10 Monster when in reality he's probably a 4/10 who likes to talk and can come off as insensitive. Thanks MSM!
madhousechild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not on MSM....
ro50 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 19:24:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted this a while back but it sort of got buried. I didn't meet or talk to Donald but I could say I dealt with him since he was paying me to work. Anyway...
When I was in college, we got paid to valet cars at Donald Trump's mansion in Palm Beach for a party he was hosting. The craziest cars you can think of kept pulling up and we got all sorts of warnings from the owners like "this car costs more than your life kid.. don't scratch it!". Another guest told my friend as he tried to park his car "that's not a car son... that is fine automobile. One of only 50 ever made...) Many of these cars were convertibles which becomes relevant in just a second. Anyway, Donald had his own private golf course in his backyard and his whole lot stretched from the inter-coastal to the ocean. We were instructed to park these cars on the fairways of 2 holes of his private course. We did this and once most of the guests were inside sipping champagne we basically just had to wait around to pull their cars up when they were ready to leave. About an hour into the party, the golf course sprinklers, which were set on a timer, kick on and they are soaking these Rolls Royces and Bentleys with reclaimed water that stinks like sulfur. As I mentioned earlier, many of these cars were convertibles. Chaos ensued and we tried to move many of the cars off of the course while someone desperately tried to find the shut off valve for the sprinklers. I remember people who worked for Trump shouting confusing directions like "Check the utility box located at the hair salon!!" (the hair salon? at someone's house? what?!?!) I secretly loved everything that was happening but did my best to follow frantic instructions to ensure I got paid. So we finally move most of the convertibles and they figure out where the off switch is for the sprinklers but the guests are pissed. While we didn't actually interact with Donald we heard word from guests and the house staff that they felt it was our fault the cars got soaked and we wouldn't be allowed back to work any of the parties. (Eerily similar to Judge Smails blaming his golf club flying into the Havercamp's lunch table on Danny Noonan.) I know Trump is not exactly private with his displays of wealth but that party, the guests, all the cars, and that house had to have been the most obscenely wealthy collection of pompous windbags ever to assemble in Palm Beach county. If this didn't take place in 1995 I would have documented the whole thing on my cell phone. That's my only regret...
aliensporebomb ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:48:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for slipping a detailed Caddyshack reference into that recounting. It helped me picture the scene!
ro50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol! Glad I could help!
beanx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:48:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's a drag. rich people arent used to oddities or aberrations like "it rained!" or "oh shit, the sprinklers!"
fedupwithpeople ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:53:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure they are - a few (not all!) are also used to making someone else take the fall for it.
mephistophelessoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:59 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would be really pissed if my old junker got sprayed inside when I trusted other people to take care of it.
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When i was a child my mom would take me into NYC for the day(from ct) every year as i loved all the sights. I wanted to go to Trump Tower since my parents and I watched The Apprentice frequently, and I wanted to see the building it took place in. When we arrived it was a busy afternoon, and throngs of people seemed to be going in and out of the building. I obliviously wandered away from my mom, towards the door, and didnt notice the crowd of people being warded off by security. I hadnt been noticed, i assume because i was small, and continued on my way.
At the door, a man in a large jacket opened it and held it for me as I passed throough. The man said something along the lines of "here you go sir" I didn't look up, as I felt anxious suddenly being alone, so I just said a quick thank you and scuttled off to the edge of the crowd, just then realizing that she was not with me and was held back on the other side of the door. When she got to me she was so excited and asked if I knew who I had just met. I said no but a nice man had held the door for me and that i remembered to say thank you. The man had been been Donald himself. It was like a scene from Home Alone. When this happened, I never thought I'd have a relevant place to tell this story, and it's odd how much has changed.
Not a fan of him or the campaign he ran, but before that I always respected him for being down to earth enough to hold a door open for a kid, which must be a hassle with such little hands.
rgliszin ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:46:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
last line, fuckin hell.
cinepro ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:41:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the scene in Home Alone 2
southpawhedgehog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so baffled by how he seems to be genuinely kind and a shark when it comes to business and a complete loon on television?! Juggling all these personalities seems a bit schizo or at the very least, tiresome.
chsp73 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:06:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Him being a shark is at least part of what has made him so successful in business. You can't be soft and successful in his line of work.
As to his public persona-- it's what he had to do to draw attention to himself for the election. To add to that, at least part of his "craziness" during his campaign was fabricated by the media.
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I work in NYC real estate and know a lot of people who have worked with hiM and his family members. He's very cordial and charming even. Generous too - if he likes you. Some have said he's a genius. Some have said he's a moron. He's also said to have trust issues and relies very closely on family.
Edited to add: Just because he's a "nice guy" to people I know does NOT mean I think he'd be a good president. As a born and bred NYer its quite obvious to me that this guy is in it for himself. He's been in our local news cycle for both the good and the bad since the early 80s at least.
ViciousPuddin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:45:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Dad's company built the ornamental facades on several of his casinos. He's a hard ass but fair and always has a great staff working for him. He gave my family a crystal globe shaped paperweight as a Christmas present.
seriouslydarth ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 04:15:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father was heavily invloved in real estate in the eighties. He was the head of a real estate company that was the largest commercial landlord on the west coast. I asked him one time if he had ever tried to do a deal with Trump. His response was yes and he is an asshole. My father was a southern gentleman and during his life seldom heard him curse and never heard him descibe another person this way. My pop was also a true republican conservative hor what it is worth.
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Good-Writer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a Thug. He represents his homies in his community. But when it come to turf he will lay you out.
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:11:11 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a true New Yorker. Most people outside of New York don't understand the swag and brashness and are really biased. In a way it's like people think Southerns are slow and red necks because of their accents. I hope we become more tolerant of regional differences and start seeing each other as individuals. The MSM is NOT helping.
squishyplatypus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:52:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not me personally but my father did once. Being a long time Las Vegas developer of mostly office space and hangars he's met almost all the big names in the town, (Wynn/Adelson too for example). He once met Donald Trump in respect to a proposed business park I believe. In the meeting he said he was like most other business man but that his plan basically to sell his name and attach it to the project for a certain fee. This way Trump would take none of the risk, but gotten paid whether the project was a success or not in exchange for upcoming business part receiving the brand name recognition of 'Trump'. Basically the interesting/clever part was that Trump got paid his fee regardless of the project did well or not. More interestingly my father once met Melania Trump. He said once he got over her looks he was extremely surprised that she seemed to be one of the brightest people in the room.
raq0916 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:04:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family is very involved in the NJ boxing hall of fame club. Every year, they pick someone new to induct, and then they have a big dinner every year with all the members and the inductees. 2 years ago, we had Mike Tyson. Last year, just before he announced he was running, Trump was nominated because of his contributions (he hosts a LOT of boxing matches). He sent a very nice letter saying how he could not attend, but how greatful he was that he was picked. Letter was really nice
soggybiscuit93 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:52:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father works in a skilled trade in NYC and has seen Trump on several of the same job sites, wearing a hard helmet and talking with the workers. He hasn't personally spoken to him, but he says it's not often to see someone in that high of a position talking to the average construction worker.
_CallMeCisMale_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:54:24 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald is a class act.
I'm so glad he will have the opportunity to be our president.
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pledgemasterpi ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:08:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got the chance to meet him at a small room discussion with my father and about 20 others. He seemed charismatic and a decent individual. He allowed questions and I asked him what he thought his biggest failure was and he said "That doesn't matter, what matters is that I bounced back up" I got a selfie with him as a joke but little did I realize he would end up becoming our president.
smdcdiaf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:19:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This entire thread has made me feel even more conflicted. This is almost empowering.
Good-Writer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:07:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
smdcdiaf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:39:59 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It makes me think that maybe since he is so aware of others, maybe he can learn. He's a great American, not a great humanitarian.
Good-Writer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:59 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he is a great authoritarian because that's what I like.
rugbybackliner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents had lunch with him. They said he was a lot taller and skinnier than they thought. All in all, said they were very impressed by him.
aratarat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:15:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him at mar-a-lago when I was about 8. He was walking around the outside dining area saying hello to everyone. He seemed calm and pleasant. He shook my hand. It was soft. He shook my stepbrother's hand. He said he was never going to wash that hand again.
I was 8... so that's all I remember.
lizrds ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:44:19 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father worked on the campaign for Fox News form the beginning. He said that out of all of the candidates, Trump was the kindest and the easiest to work with. Said he was always the first one on set, making sure everyone was ok and had what they needed. My dad said Donald was nothing like how he was being portrayed, which is interesting to me. Also, I have way too many photos of my father with Donald Trump.
OverlordOfStuff ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:26:33 on December 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In early 2015, my grandmother was walking in NYC outside of Trump Tower with a friend when Trump came out of the building, accompanied by two massive bodyguards. My grandma's friend shoved her towards Trump to get a photo, but his body guards put their arms out and told her to "get the hell out of here." Then, in her words: "The Donald told THEM to get the hell out of here and waved to me to come over to him. He put his arm around my shoulders for the photo, and chatted a little with me after." In short, although she's not a fan of his politically, he came off as totally charming and welcoming.
To clarify, she didn't mean to indicate that his behavior with the arm was in any way creepy - just the opposite. According to her, it was just a nice, extroverted gesture.
IronicMetaphors ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:52:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather did some interior design work for him at the Taj Majal. He has told me that he was very passionate about his work and extremely detail oriented. My grandfather met him a couple of times, albeit brief, and said he was very short but genuine with his words
jimboinla ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:57:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 1992 I lived in New York City and was eating at a popular Broadway restaurant Joe Allen. Trump had just gotten his girlfriend Marla Maples a job in a broadway show and they came in. He walked around the perimeter of the restaurant nodding and smiling at anyone who made eye contact with him or acknowledged him. He was a pompous showman but it was kind of cool. And this was almost 25 years ago.
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PanicLiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually a great presidential quality. He won't have to get used to playing golf all the time bc he is already so good at it.
Grindcore44 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:18:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father has some friends in real estate and had the opportunity to play golf with him. Said he was for all intents and purposes a pretty nice guy
mikaelgun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:53:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family growing up worked for him in the casinos, I'm from Atlantic city. He was always a class act, this is in the 90s. He voluntarily footed my Nanas hospital bills we couldn't afford when she got cancer that really impressed me. To be fair I'll point out we aren't immigrants haha.
S_Truett_Catty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:08 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His wife is an immigrant, I don't get it?
Insult_To_Gingery ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:00:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldn't sign a fake billion dollar bill I had at one of his rallies :(
dsound ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:30:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend and I were at the whisky bar on 59th and 6th ave in NYC. We're sitting there quietly enjoying our whisky and starring out at the wintery weather. Suddenly the door bursts open and a man with wild hair comes running in. He yells "MY LIMO BROKE DOWN, MY LIMO BROKE DOWN!!" Mind you this is before the days of cell phone use. He asks the bartender if he can use his phone to call a mechanic. I hear him on the phone offering some guy $50 to come down and fix the engine. I look outside and there's a large limo and standing outside is DT. He as reading a newspaper. The driver asked for a shot of bourbon, downed it and went about his merry way. He left the bartender a $100 tip. He slipped in fell when he walked outside and DT went over and whispered something to him. They both got back in the limo and drove off.
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At first I assumed the man with wild hair was Trump. What a twist!
mclwv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May be late to the party but the one interaction I had with him I was young and was throwing out the first pitch for the somerset patriots baseball game, as well as me, trump and a few others were also throwing out first pitches. Well we were there on the field waiting and then trump comes in lands on the field with a helicopter, then while waiting in line for the first pitch my father had conversation with him and the others also in line. Was a fun memory
candyman337 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:00:50 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will say this, from this thread, trump sounds like a nice man. However, my Father is a nice man, but he also doesn't believe in global warming, legitimately thinks Obama is from Kenya, doesn't support gay marriage/abortion, can be unknowingly racist at times, which is pretty ironic because he married a black woman, and is terrifying when he's mad. My point is just because you're a nice person doesn't mean you're fit to be president.
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rafraska ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:29:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister works at a law firm in Scotland who has dealt with Trump and his son. She never met Trump but she said Eric Trump came to their building after he went golfing and was a complete arse, he apparently flooded the shower rooms for no reason.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:46:14 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything I've ever heard about the Trump kids says that Donald Jr, Ivanka, and Tiffany are all very nice but Eric is an asshole
rafraska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:54 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair he has always struck me as a bit of an idiot, especially when he illegally posted a picture of his own ballot paper..
tcmaddox ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to come to a thread where the top 200+ comments have been removed
itschloe_thatsme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:14:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah wtf is that about? It looks very fishy to me, but I don't want to read conspiracies into things...
Colby347 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 10:55:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a serious replies only thread about a controversial person. This is super common.
tcmaddox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:24:47 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I have l learned anything from reddit it is that either there are no conspiracies, or everything is a conspiracy.
El-Drazira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is a bot except you.
soniko_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:05:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure it was people just bashing him
uncre8ive ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:39:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandad played golf with him a couple decades ago. He said that trump cheated like a mother and wouldn't shut up when my grandad was trying to swing. He basically hated the sonofabitch for years because of it.
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Haha men are funny. Or humans in general. Funny story.
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Someone I know used to work as a secretary at Cantor Fitzgerald in NY. She said he was very intimidating. She walked into the lobby to use the fancy bathroom and ran into him and his entourage. A group of guys at least 6 feet tall and his daughter also wearing a black suit. Said he looks exactly the same in person, same scowl. She froze, and he glanced at her then back at his security guard and asked if Howard was in (the CEO). He wasn't in so he told her to tell Howard he said hi. She's met a few celebrities there, like Steve Buscemi, but Trump was definitely the most frightening for her. But she's also a very short and easily scared person so I guess most guys around that height would seem intimidating to her.
bjornkeizers ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:50:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's 6 foot 3 or about 190 centimers. Average for a US male is 5 foot 10, 177 centimeters.
That's definitely intimidatingly tall to many people. Maybe he's got some Dutch blood in him; he'd fit right in here.
Funny, I actually always pictured him as a smaller guy, but he's actually rather tall.
vitaymin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he looks smaller in photos because he's surrounded by other tall people, like his family
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He seems shorter because in photos he's about the same height as his wife and daughter. What most people don't realize is that Melania and Ivanka are both 5'11/180cm plus they always wear high heels, bringing them both to his height or close to his height.
Widgetcraft ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 21:28:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what I'm reading here, he sounds like a nice enough guy who has his good days and bad days, but is also a ruthless businessman.
More or less what I expected.
SPPY ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 00:08:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhh... I've read everything and it sounds like he's a super nice guy who always has good days. Which is not what I was expecting to read.
SomeAnonymous ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:04:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There have been some seemingly contradictory ones though, for example paying someone's mortgage off, tipping hundreds of dollars, then landing his helicopter in the middle of the green at a golf club and making the club pay for it.
ForeverFun ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:33:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He owned the golf club. My guess is, he was probably planning to re-do all of the greens anyways. He's a businessman, he's not going to waste his money for 1 helicopter landing. And making the club pay for it means he probably raised the club dues, but guy also said he made the club much better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:47 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that same golf club story the writer said that Trump made huge improvements to the course and elevated its prestige so much that it's now used in elite tournaments. Which means he was planning to redo the whole green anyway, and it's totally normal to pass the cost of that along to the members.
SomeAnonymous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:23:06 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
touchรฉ
Widgetcraft ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:28:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if 90% are fake, positive or negative.
SomeAnonymous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:38:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be surprised if less than 90% were fake
itschloe_thatsme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but like half the comments have been removed...Wtf?
poppamack ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:16:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think this thread needs another story like this but my uncle told me a story about a guy he knows whom worked for Donald at a golf course up in NJ/NY. This guy had worked there for a long time until he died one day. Donald had the whole funeral expense free for the family at the country club.
UnderweArea ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:44:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work in Trump Plaza and saw him quite a few times. His hair is so much weirder in person a foot from your face. It's like a goddamn Howler Monkey died on his head.
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therealsix ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:15:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He came to a resort event at one of his properties and spoke to the group. This was pretty recently and he never once spoke about politics, just about the hospitality industry and resorts in general. Nice guy.
Verronney ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:54:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most Gutsy you'll ever meet, blunt and to the point , whether it meets everybody else's appoval or not
Donald Trump
JMurray1121 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:12:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump came and gave a speech in my old elementary school in northern mass. I shook his hand but we only exchanged a simple greeting. I have him my "good luck" and the line went on. Seemed pretty nice to a supporter
TedyCruz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend who works as a chef in a restaurant near one of his Scottish golf courses got a 200 pound tip and a handshake.
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CherryCokeNixon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:17:42 on December 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That does not sound legal.
Totsean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:08 on February 27, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah security tends to do that.
knightrobot ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:32:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm probably too late for this, and it isn't a personal experience but my cousin. He was high up in a major company, they were discussing leasing the buildings which later became the towers along Riverside Drive on the West Side. The company was going to make it it's headquarters.... Anyway, they're close to finishing this deal and my cousin goes to a meeting with Trump's people when it was reported from his people that at this meeting, there would be a very special guest, and Mr. Trump his holiness would be at the meeting. My cousin thought whoopty-doo (/s)... Anyway the meeting is underway and mind you this major deal is just about finished... Trump explains that it would have Trump ::NAME OF COMPANY:: Studios. My cousin said absolutely not, your name doesn't go in front of our company... Trump says something along the lines of are you sure you don't want to call your boss... are you willing to lose your career over this. My cousin said I don't have to call my boss, I know what he'll say. The meeting ended. Trump actually called his boss. He said my cousin was right. Deal died. My cousin's boss said to my cousin... "I'm surprised you didn't tell him to go fuck himself."
Good-Writer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:45:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how many times he did this and it worked.
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My father did architectural lighting design for a trump hotel over a decade ago. Him and an emirate from Dubai are the only two clients who have refused to pay the agreed upon price in the contract. That ended my fathers interactions with trump because his lawyers took over after that, and continually told my father that he needed to accept 1/3 of the contracted upon price for the already completed work or to see them in court. Obviously there are two degrees of separation in this story, but thats the only relevancy hes had in my life up to this year.
Alpha_Zerg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:07:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did your father end up going to court over it? Did he get the full amount?
tornadoRadar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:58:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from the atlantic city area. That story rings over and over again around here with blue collar small companies. Pretty much anyone that was in business in the 80s/90s got burned by the don. god forbid you actually file on him. the legal goons would show up and off you a third or else they'd motion and drag it on forever. Every dumbie around thought they could out smart the don. never worked.
thwoomp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:53:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting to see how he behaves when he actually has something to lose. Not to say that Trump is a terrible person, but I think it's shallow to form an opinion of someone based on the kinds of passing interactions this thread is full of.
It's in the interests of a public-facing businessman to put on a friendly face to the general public: tussles kid's hair, tip service people generously, take photos with fans. It's not always in the interests of a real estate developer to be friendly and fair to people whom he owes a great deal of money. I'm sure he has paid plenty of people in full, but during those many times when he was strapped for cash I'd imagine he screwed a lot of people over.
I think that to get as wealthy as Trump has in the business he is in, you have to be quite Machiavellian at times. He's certainly no angel, at any rate.
db8r_boi ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:19:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more likely that there were defects in performance. As an attorney, I've dealt with many issues where a client was not satisfied with the work they thought they were getting. The easiest way to deal with that is to offer less as a settlement, then hire someone else to fix the mistakes. I would bet that's Trump's M.O.
Not saying he's never just stiffed someone, I obviously don't know, but for someone who makes as many deals as Trump, there are bound to be a lot of disputes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think its more likely that there was no issue with the design, and that trump just wanted to save money. I work in the lighting design industry now, and people try to slash our budget all the time. My father is a highly respected and highly talented member of the industry with many continued clients going back as far as the 80s. The quality of our work is reviewed and approved through every step of the design process of which there are typically 6 major steps. 50% Design 100% Design 50% Schematic 100% Schematic 50% Construction and 100% Construction. If you dont like the quality of work you dont just not pay them after 100% CD, you tell them in design and if they dont fix it you push them off the project and rehire. Trump received 100% of the agreed upon services with no complaint and then refused to pay at the end when the bulk of payment is sent out. Maybe the work wasnt up to snuff, but thats not our fault when the work is approved every step of the way. And dont say maybe it had to do with the final product, because thats on the gm and the electricians to make sure the install goes to design. Thats a different budget.
db8r_boi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's a fair analysis of your particular situation, and I don't think you're lying or wrong. Having been on the legal side of the equation (not for Trump), however, I disagree that your interpretation is the only interpretation of the situation. I have clients who often don't want to pay certain contractors who they believe have stiffed them out of something they agreed to. In those situations, the contractor invariably claims to have provided all of the agreed upon services. Sometimes the owner is being an ass, sometimes the contractor is being shady, and sometimes there was simply a miscommunication somewhere in the process that wasn't caught until completion and neither side is objectively wrong. I've been involved in disputes where the owner supposedly agreed to a design, and then the final design was not what they expected. Offering a reduced price for the work performed is way better than what my clients usually want to do (which is to pay nothing).
However, my comment wasn't really directed at you, it was directed at the generalizations thwoomp and tornadoRadar were making about Trump's practices in general. For all I know, your father was/is an impeccable, god-like architectural lighting designer, and Trump just stiffed him for no reason. The point of my comment was to point out that Trump has hired dozens or hundreds of contractors every year for 40+ years. At least some of them probably did a poor job, and at least some of those probably disagree that they did a poor job. If the dispute rate is even 10% (and, in my experience, it's higher than that), then there will be literally hundreds or thousands of contractors claiming to have been stiffed by Trump, and they may all be in the wrong. Even good contractors have one or two jobs where they just underperform. I've seen it happen. So, Trump may have legitimate disputes with good, reputable contractors, and that doesn't mean he's a cheapskate or fraud. It just means he does a lot of business and the odds are not in his favor.
EDIT: On the flip side, I admit that there is the possibility that Trump may just be a ruthless, unethical businessman. I obviously can't know from my position as an uninvolved observer.
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And thats more then a fair response. I also apologize if my comment seemed aggrivated or inflammatory. Its become a family buisiness and were very proud of the quality of our work and i hold my father to incredibly high standards.
db8r_boi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I apologize for making it sound like your father was a poor craftsman. That was not my intention.
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WoodenHouse ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:54:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow i didn't know literally everyone on /r/askreddit has either met donald trump at a golf course or dunkin donuts, or their parents or friends have.
HomemadeBananas ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:13:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well of course most of the replies are going to be people who are responding to the prompt...
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:56:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't expect this many comments, but to be fair he has likely had countless dealings in many large cities like NYC and Chicago, so I think that it's very possible that he's at least interacted with a very large number of people, some of whom probably use reddit.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree this isn't that strange, most of these are pretty plausible. Some are a little out there but that is too be expected and who knows, maybe they are telling the truth.
a3wagner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:04:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible -- and, I'll admit, I could be wrong -- that there could be a small amount of selection bias. Y'know, since the only people who are supposed to answer are the people who have met Trump in exactly the fashion you describe.
minotaur000911 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:14:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald also owns numerous golf courses, so that may be a contributing factor
SerMerynTrance ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:14:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've got a story that's third hand, so take it as you will.
I have a family member who is an architect. He was a principal at a major NYC firm in the 00s. That firm had worked on Trump tower in the mid-80s and one of the principals at the time told my family member this story.
Trump wasn't paying them. He had paid SOME money, but long after the project ended, he still had an outstanding invoice (not as uncommon for architects as media makes you think, but most clients do pay eventually)
This principal shows up at Trump tower and speaks to Trump directly as he's leaving a meeting. Says he's going to sue Trump for the balance and interest+fees if he doesn't pay up.
Trump points at the meeting room he just left and says (paraphrasing): "i've got 30 lawyers in there, good luck."
This guy responds "I've got one lawyer, and we're going to get our money" conversation ends.
Sure enough, they got paid. I omitted identifying info because I don't know if the information is confidential.
TLDR: Trump tried to use his money and legal team to scare away a potential lawsuit. Lost.
tornadoRadar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:52:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea so that's kinda the business model he's got going there. Take a step back and think about it; For every ten people he pays less than contract on due to some technicality ten arn't going to sue. Right off the bat he's saving money. Then for the % that do sue, he's got legal on staff. Its a fixed expense for him. He knows he can run your bill up which is exactly what he wants. Then a % of those that sue are gona drop out when they get their first legal bill. So now he's down to settling a fraction of a fraction of the contractors. Which makes business sense if there are enough contractors/vendors to burn through. I know in the atlantic city area he's burnt through the majority of the blue collar companies when he was building his places in AC. Its ruthless, its a dick move, its terrible for small businesses; but from his side it does work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It reminds me of this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hhAH4mlQk
Asking_miracles ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:03:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love it if Marla Maples commented here.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're still in the honeymoon period. Brace for when reality hits.
sensitiveinfomax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's his ex wife before Melania
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah. The one he raped?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:56:09 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one who he was rumored to have raped is Ivana, but she claims it never happened and the rumors are untrue, stating:
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:22 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rumours such as those don't appear out of thin air. It's just as possible that he raped his ex-wife but then had the incident swept under the rug.
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Ivana herself, the supposed victim, stating multiple times that he never raped her isn't the same as it being swept under the rug. The rumor first started during their divorce which was huge tabloid fodder because both Donald and Ivana were big names. Tabloids spread untrue rumors about celebrities all the time. Ivana has said again and again that he never raped her, yet people choose to ignore her because they want to believe that he's a rapist. If you'd believe a woman who claimed he did rape her, why won't you believe a woman who claims he didn't rape her?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:18 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because she told the world that it did happen, provided testimony than later claimed that that testimony was 'without merit'. Now, conveniently.... she retracts her testimony, claiming that he did not rape her. Sounds suspiciously like it's been swept under the rug, right? Or do your conspiracy theories only swing one way?
TheTrackPadUser ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 12:07:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know reading all these comments, he seems like a crazy nice guy
Zoomwafflez ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The architecture firm I used to work at put in a proposal for the Trump tower in Chicago. After submitting sketches and going through a bunch of meetings they decided to go with a much smaller and cheaper firm. The final design looks almost identical to the designs we submitted down to the details. I never met Trump in person but my boss did, and he hated Trump. Said he was rude, cheap, and had no taste. He said a bunch of other horrible things about Trump too but that might have just been him being his angry old German self.
DoAsThouWill ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 19:44:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha that sounds like the type of thing most people might say about someone else when they get outbid by another company.
Zoomwafflez ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:25:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was never sure how much was legit criticism of Trump and how much was just my boss being mad we didn't get the job. He was generally a very angry man. Again though, the level of similarity between the sketches we submitted which Trump loved and the final building are uncanny. To the point where I find it hard to believe Trump didn't just take one of our sketches to the other firm and say "build this". So the impression I got was that he ripped us off because he doesn't give a shit about IP, design, or honesty, just getting things as cheap as possible (but what businessman doesn't?). I heard a rumor in the architectural circles that the firm he went with got mad at him to because he ended up skimping on materials and put in way cheaper stuff than they specified. I think it's probably true because they've had trouble from day 1 with the windows, walls, and fire suppression system. The firm he went with is cheaper than my old firm, but still good and well respected so I doubt they'd specify the shitty window glazing he went with.
FernandoTorresIMO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds a bit bitter doesn't it?
The_Naked_Snake ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:00:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh.
Did your boss call his own designs tasteless?
Zoomwafflez ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:08:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god no. He thought Trump had no taste in general, not specifically about the building. My old boss was very much into straight lines, black, gray, red stainless steel and glass. And nothing else. Whereas Trump likes everything gold plated. I'm guessing they got into a fight about something Trump wanted gold or marble and my boss wanted black or gray lol
WakkkaFlakaFlame ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:07:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like your boss was upset they lost the contract
Zoomwafflez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh totally, his ego know no bounds. I think he was especially pissed though because they had us go through several rounds of redesigns, then dropped us for the cheaper firm and basically built our design. But Trump is famous for screwing over people to save a few bucks so I'm not sure what my boss expected. They both have such egos I'll bet my boss was pitching numbers way to high and trump was low balling him and they could never meet in the middle.
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chili01 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:46:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him in the Trump hotel in Las Vegas once. I didn't notice who it was at first. I kinda did a half-assed hand waive/raise. He looked at me and nodded, then went on his way.
pcpumpkin15 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:18:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My best friends dad was a taxi driver and he happened to pick up Trump. He said it was a short drive and came out to $4.50, Trump gave him 50 cents in tip.
rkhbusa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:34:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't get rich by just giving away money.
troll_of_thunder ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:02:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why the fuck are half of these responses deleted?
BowmanTheShowman ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 06:25:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a serious tag. If people post jokes, they get removed.
troll_of_thunder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:32:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh, right. and here i was thinking trump paid people to remove their negative responses!
BowmanTheShowman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:03:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe Trump knew this day would come, so he initiated the [Serious] tag in preparation so that he COULD take them all down!
CONSPIRACY!
hummelaris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/VOBXH-5QrGU
backinNYC ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:29:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For several decades, I worked in the entertainment industry in New York. Trump would show up as a guest of the CEO of our company a dozen or so times per year. He was considerate, smart, polite, self-effacing, and basically the polar opposite of everything we've now come to know him as (at least in his public persona). Keith Olbermann, who likewise dealt with Trump a handful of times over a few decades, wrote a column in 2015 that summed up well my own ambivalence about Trump. Olbermann couldn't tell whether the thoughtful, impressive Trump he was acquainted with personally was the real guy, and whether the loony, blowhard, bigot demagogue was the act--or vice versa. Olbermann's conclusion was that it didn't matter, because we are where we are with Trump, either way: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2015/11/08/keith-olbermann-has-us-asking-will-the-real-donald-trump-please-stand-up/
spender_wardell ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:13:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Might be too late for this one, but I got to do a 15 minute video shoot with him in Trump tower last November. He was very nice, professional, and polite. Although he oddly did keep asking to be put on the cover of the magazine I was shooting for... Couldn't tell if he was joking or not.
luckyAZ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:16:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dealt with Donald in the casino business. He was a true gentelman and visionary. He made very tough, but correct decisions. Sorry to dissapoint the hate mongers. He is smart, accountable, and truly vested in his projects. I learned quite a bit from him. He is an all around good guy IMHO.
CharlieWormhat ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 20:41:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't meet him, but in the mid-2000s I was working as an estimator for a contractor in NYC. First job for a Trump owned space came across my desk my boss told me to pad my bid by 50% to ensure we wouldn't get the job. Apparently he had a habit of not paying for work done until the company decided to litigate.
Nackles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:09:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, dumb question: Why didn't your boss just not put in a bid at all, if he didn't want it?
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:45:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard stories of him doing business this way. He is said to have ripped off tons of contractors and workers.
pawsii ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:13:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in construction on the management side and this is not exclusive to trump. For most of these types of contracts they are what is called design build, the GC (general contractor) in these cases accepts a contract to build a what ever and meets certain requirements and then often sets up payment schedules most of the time tied to deliverables or project milestones. The GC then bids out certain portions of the work (sub-contractors) and most of the time thy put a clause in the contracts that states that even if the actual work is done they won't pay until they get paid. If at the end of a project the client decides that the requirements haven't been met (schedule, quality or any number of things) then they will withhold final payment and possibly the retainment which can be a significant % of the total contract then nobody gets paid. Litigation then ensues somebody eats it, if it is the GC and some of the sub-contractors underperformed then they won't get paid ever.
The project that I'm working on now has over 5000 pages of requirements of which and average subcontractor will read a couple hundred, lots of stuff gets missed, and companies don't get paid.
XPlatform ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:50:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's terrifying. That's not loophole as much as codifying attrition through sheer volume as a default MO.
pawsii ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work on building datacenters big ones. Last one was a 54 MW(Mega Watts) site for phase one at the end of phase 4 capacity will be over 150 MW. Lots of requirements for a project that size.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:48:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think he got so rich? Hard work or screwing people out of money?
BornRe4dy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:54:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you know anything about building you'd know you have a shit load of bills and everyone gets paid as late as possible and if anything is up in the air which happens over work that should be done then there's grid lock. Grid lock happens a lot, people want to be paid right away and they are doing a slow, or shitty job or doing it wrong or have an emergency and want money quickly. It's just the nature of the job.
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Hubris_Humans ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:05:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Long time lurker, first time poster. I live in Iowa City. A ton of political candidates come here to reach out to college-age students. Trump had a rally here and one of my buddy's and his friends were standing in the front row. (Supposedly the rally had an extremely negative atmosphere. Lots of racial slurs being thrown around the crowd) After it was all said and done, Trump came down off the stage and my buddies had the opportunity to talk to him. They asked him 'if you're elected president, are you REALLY going to deport all Muslims?' (Iowa City has a fairly large Muslim community.) Apparently, he said something along the lines of 'Of course not, I'm not going to do anything to them. It's all for media attention.' This made me think.. is Trump ACTUALLY racist and hate-filled... or did he psychologically troll everyone in America.. I still haven't the slightest idea.
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I'm late to the thread, and this is not my story, but my Therapist's friend runs a contracting firm in NY. He has several stories, but they're all basically the same. Trump would contract his services to build a building, they would agree on price, ETC. The next day, Trump would call him asking if they could renegotiate the deal to give Trump the edge. This would go on basically until Trump had to pay. After a couple rounds of this, the guy who ran the firm apparently told his secretary "If Donald Trump calls, tell him I'm busy". A week later, Trump tracked him down to bug him about changing the deal.
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Luigone1 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:46:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So my Uncle used to work as an executive for AMPAS (The Academy Awards). He retired a few years back, and for his finale he got my girlfriend and me tickets to the ceremony.
We take our seats on the ground floor, a few sections back. So we're decently close but not rubbing elbows with nominees or anything. Now when we sit down, there are two open seats to my left that stay open until about 10 or 15 minutes until the ceremony begins.
And who sits down next to me but Donald and Melania Trump...
This was back in 2011, so he hadn't even mentioned his presidential ambitions, he was just in the midst of the birther bullshit. We didn't speak, but he had a scowl on his face for most of the ceremony and she was texting almost the entire time. I was so surprised that he was in a bad mood when I could barely think of a reason why he should be there in the first place.
I wasn't impressed. Very, very overrated.
snarkadoodle ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:29:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't help but read this in his voice.
Luigone1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was my plan all along...
dullship ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a good plan. One of the best plans I've ever seen. Believe me.
minuteman_d ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:43:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just to play devil's advocate, maybe he had to be there, or Melania wanted to go? I mean, I've been to many events with a lady where I thought the event was lame. Could have had other things on his mind?
Just seems unfair to say you were "unimpressed" or call him "overrated" when his only crime was not smiling at an awards ceremony that IS total BS (IMHO).
Luigone1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, I get what you're driving at. But the thing is, he's not a movie producer, he wasn't involved in any of the films that were up that year. The guy is a TV star, not an Academy member. I asked my uncle about it and I think the only reason he managed to wrangle an invitation was because he's loaded.
I was mostly just joking and describing him in his own terms, but what I was unimpressed by was the fact that he had no reason to be there and still managed to have a lousy time.
My lady and I were fully aware that we were just a couple of schlubs who got lucky so we were beaming the whole night!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:53 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He may have been there for networking purposes, lots of networking happens at awards ceremonies and after-parties. Lots of investors and businessmen are involved in the film business. There's tons of overlap between TV and movie production and back in 2011 he was very involved with NBC and Univision. He also may have been there because he accepted an invitation.
vic39 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:08:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So my father in law is a partner at a law firm in california. He didnt work with Trump but a lot of his coworkers did on a case for a golf course. They racked up manu billing hours and refused to pay the full fee. They paid like 60% and basically said fuck you. It wasnt a large amount (five figures) and cut it as a loss as a court hearing could potentially cost more plus the headache wasn't worth it for the firm. Thats how he does business apparently all the time.
em_drei_pilot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A five figure legal bill ain't so bad. Just saying.
vic39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
could've been five dollars. Doesn't matter.
em_drei_pilot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point is a 5 figure legal bill shouldn't be even a second thought for a organization of his size.
banglainey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this man was seen as a champion of the working-class American... unbelievable.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because bigshot lawyers are represenatives of the average american
banglainey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:57:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
? I don't see your point. The fact of the matter is, Trump benefited from stiffing regular workers and contractors. This shows what type of person he is MORE than some pointless pleasantries of people walking past him/shaking his hand/signing his book, etc. Yet, he was elected by people who see him as someone whose "looking out for the little guy", when he does EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE in his everyday life outside of politics. It's the retarded, uneducated, redneck toothless hilljacks of this country who are too stupid to recognize the dissonance.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that him ripping off elites does not contradict his position that he stands for the little guy. Do you understand now little guy? Should i simplify it further for you?
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You're an idiot rofl. You think there weren't secretaries, paralegals and clerks in the office that worked hundreds of hours into this case who are employed by the firm? Do they deserve to be stiffed less because they aren't the elite?
Well the law firm thought not so so they paid them their wages anyway and took the hit. Trump, not so much.
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fuzzypurple9 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:40:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My octogenarian, adorably proper grandparents ran into him at his restaurant in New York about 10 years ago. They made a reservation for dinner at his fine dining type place, arrived a few minutes early and were seated at the bar to have drinks before dinner. Around this time, apparently, Mr. Trump decided that he'd rather like to dine in his restaurant that evening, in spite of it being fully booked. They had to bump my grandparents' reservation. They (true to form) did not appreciate his whim disrupting their dinner plans. Trump blustered into the restaurant with his entourage, a group of 12 or so people who gave the staff notice of ~4 minutes to prepare for their arrival. He was being very outgoing with everyone in the room, seeming to enjoy being recognized by and interacting with the patrons; meanwhile, his staff scurried around to absorb this disruption. When he approached my grandparents at the bar to say hello and offer to take a picture or something, he chatted swaggering with them a bit and then he stuck his hand out to my grandfather, who very deliberately ignored it. Trump, clearly not expecting him to be so flatly unimpressed by his celebrity, mumbled a bit more to my grandmother, and then walked away to be seated, his group in tow.
My grandfather is not now and has apparently never been highly amusable, and he is still decidedly unimpressed with Trump.
evantide2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 05:54:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, did he tell Trump that they got bumped? Based on responses in this thread, it sounds like Trump would invite them to join the table or do something about it.
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NiobiumGoat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:02:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when reading these posts:
Blind doubt is just as useless as blind faith. Take unconfirmed responses, either side, with a grain of salt.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:23:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually kind of amazing. I have not read one nasty experience with the man in this thread that is negative. Did anyone have a negative experience with him? Maybe we are misjudging him.
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Yup. Noticed this too
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slothcosmonaut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:32:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a hotel/restaurant where the owner brought him in during the campaign for one of his rallies. He stayed at the hotel and ate at a catered banquet. He requested his steak well-done and smothered in ketchup. I didn't hear anything specifically bad, but Scott Walker who was present demanded that a server be fired after a glass of wine was spilled...
tommyboy0208 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:11 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was this in Wisconsin? Waukesha area to be exact?
slothcosmonaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:57 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was in Wisconsin. Not Waukesha though... I assume something similar happened?
TheLostWaterNymph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really didn't expect these replies... at all. Do you think how he's behaved on tv is all some weird front? Is he actually that racist and demeaning?
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:50:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no, he is not racist or demeaning, you just need to stop believing CNN and MSNBC
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So much of what the news reports is hearsay or rumors which they treat as fact. For example, every major news outlet has repeated the story that he violently raped Ivana during their marriage- even though Ivana herself has stated multiple times that it's a lie
He was sued for discriminating against black models in a beauty pageant, and the media acted as if the fact that suit was filed means he was guilty- even though photos of the beauty pageant in question show that black models were indeed allowed to compete. Same with he rumors that he banned black people from his clubs, despite the fact that when Trump opened Mar-a-Largo it was the first and only club in Palm Beach that wasn't racially segregated, and he had to fight the city council to be able to open a club that allowed black people.
It's definitely not 100% media manipulation though, he has said some pretty out-there things (like the "grab em by the pussy" comment and making fun of the disabled reporter), but certain accusations such as homophobia, racism against black people, and rape are definitely untrue and yet continue to be reported on as if they're fact. The media also ignores that even though Trump is anti-abortion he is pro-contraception and believes contraceptive pills and procedures should be available without a prescription.
usernumber36 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:53:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why are so many entire strings of comments getting deleted?
Theepicman116 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:12:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad went to Atlantic City in its hay day. He and his friends went to one of Trump's casinos. When they got tired of gambling he and them went to the sports room. He sat in the second row. So he's watching football (it was a Sunday) and talking with his friend and up comes Donald Trump and sit right in front of my dad. Trump turns around and ask my dad what's the score of one of the games and my dad says it. He says thank you. 30 minutes later Trump gets up and leaves. But before he does he shakes my dad and his friends hands saying "Thank You for coming". My dad has never forgotten that.
giobbistar21 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of friends of my dad have done business with trump's companies. The narrative from all of them is the same. He comes in, signs paperwork, and then walks out. Very reserved individual, but definitely not hostile.
revandavd ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:33:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barbara Corcoran from Shark Tank was interviewed about Trump since they've known each other since they were young. Google it. She doesn't like him
BerryBerrySneaky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a great one: "Barbara Corcoran says standing up to Donald Trump 30 years ago was a pivotal moment in her life" http://www.businessinsider.com/barbara-corcoran-donald-trump-pivotal-moment-2016-11
BKtoDuval ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:54:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Our paths have kinda crossed a couple times. I met him briefly at the 2001 World Series. I don't know. Seemed friendly enough. I just remember his hair looking worse in person than on tv. I've seen him here and there around New York.
BUT...I dated someone who worked in his office in the '90s. She actually didn't have anything bad to say. I didn't pay much attention to that though. I was in my early 20s and was more focused on her rump than Trump. She did say he was trying to pal around with celebrities particularly in the hip hop industry. That makes me believe a lot of that divisive rhetoric was pandering to that element of the country, as well as his showmanship.
ONE TIDBIT she did share one time that kind of stood out was how another office employee confided to her that he brought her up to his apartment in Trump Tower to get it on. Apparently that's his thing. Not illegal but kinda sleazy. Wise man told me don't sh*t where you eat.
With that being said, I hope he does a good job and proves his doubters, including myself, wrong. But please, acknowledge science as a real thing.
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:50 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was very close to his uncle who had a degree in electrical engineering and a doctorate in Quantum physics who taught at MIT for 35 years. His uncle was internationally famous. A genius and visionary. As someone who won 1st place at the International Science Fair and later spent 2 years working on an international project for Greenpeace, after reading the full transcript of his climate change comments to the NYT I am ecstatic that we have a president who might free science from the ideological orthodoxy that has corrupted it.
BKtoDuval ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:55 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, so while the entire world agrees on implementing policies to combat climate change and science proves that coal is damaging to the environment, let's just discard the whole thing on a whim. Demagogue much?
Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is absolutely hot, wonder if she now has a Trump baby somewhere.
justyourp ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 20:22:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my college a cappella group got a chance to sing for him twice in 2012 while we were in florida. we went to the mar-a-lago and sang a couple songs for his party there and he stood up and announced how impressed he was and that he was going to make a "sizeable donation to the group." we never heard from him again. he also grabbed one of our girl member's butts while we were taking a picture.
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Obligatory not me, but my father used to be a higher-up at Ford a few years ago (1990s) and he went to Donald Trump's hotel for a meeting and while they were eating dinner there Donald Trump happened to be there as well, and sat down with them. Donald Trump ended up completely dominating the entire conversation and ended up making many what america has learned to be "Trump-eqsue" claims about the extravagance of his hotel ("We've got the best buffet here in the entire world, can you believe it?", etc etc) that lead my father to believe Trump very truly believed in what he owned to the point of being delusional. Not wholly interesting, but it has lead me to believe that Trump is sincere in his craziness.
TheHoopFairy ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 22:32:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will likely go unnoticed, but some of my friends and I met him in 2012. I was on a school art trip to New York City for the May long weekend. We went to see Phantom of the Opera somewhere on broadway, and he happened to be going to the same show. We talked to him and he was very keen on getting the prettiest girls in my class to join him at his seats during the show. I should mention that everyone was about 15-16. Nothing more came of it.
smdcdiaf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:06:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's so fucking creepy.
TheHoopFairy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was disgusting to be honest! From all the other accounts here he seems to not be as terrible as the media has made him out to be, but he was a total sleezeball towards us. I guess he might have been drunk, though that doesn't make it excusable.
CopperMTNkid ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:30:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're an incredible liar. Trump doesn't even fucking drink.
TheHoopFairy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:27:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I never said he did, I said he could have! And I'm not lying. It goes against my values to lie.
radioactive2321 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:30 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if it goes against your values...
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Reptar4President ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:17:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know one person who is a vendor that Trump uses frequently. He told me years ago that he always makes sure he gets paid up front, or he'll never see a dime.
deemtee99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This I believe!
Reptar4President ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I can't go into too much detail, but I can say he's had deals with Trump for 20+ years, doing work at a number of various Trump properties multiple times per year. I wouldn't say they're close, but Trump would certainly recognize/know who he was if he saw him.
queensilvershoes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:40:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will probably get buried, but negative story here: I haven't met him, but my coworker did. He was on the board of a well-known charity. Trump had an event for the charity at his Mar-a-Lago resort. My coworker sat at Trump's table because he was involved in the organization of the event. At one point, Trump said that he wasn't going to give a donation for the event; his donation was the venue. Which is nice. But then my coworker was looking at the bill for the event and they had a $300,000 charge for the venue.
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Armchair_Counselor ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 21:36:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to remind everyone, in the wake of election concerns and the future, that there is no way to check the veracity of most of these claims. Please remember this while reading through the various stories.
I'm not insinuating anyone is lying, but encouraging people not to take what you read as fact. Many of these I find to be interesting anecdotes.
We have a duty to hold him to a high standard and represent the peoples of the USA.
ilovebeermoney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basically, this does not fit the media narrative of him being sexist, racist, a bigot, etc etc, so we should remember that the good stories of him may be a lie.
SaysMomsSpaghetti ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:19:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not just the good stories, the bad ones too.
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It's not like it's that hard to astroturf reddit.
BiggieMediums ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:06:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very true! Did you see /r/politics after Sanders lost the nom?
MaddenMan73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on, anyone could make up any shit about him one way or the other, I'm sure the majority of these pro and con are total BS.
alexLAD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which one is it?
maznyk ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 23:26:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He left $1 at the bar after getting all his drinks. The bartender looked pissed, and called out to him, "Mr. Trump, you forgot your dollar" and gave it back. Even my broke ass tips well when I go out.
great-nba-comment ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:13:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
radioactive2321 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:47:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bull.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you replying this to all the good stories, too? Or are you just trying to suck off god emperor and defend his already-ruined reputation?
mephistophelessoul ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's just well established- even by his most vocal enemies, that he's a really good tipper. I can site sources if we need to.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:08:44 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was a story asking for personal experience. Do you have a citation for OP's experience as a waiter and how much they got tipped? Do you have the receipt? No?
Then you don't have any sources to cite.
mephistophelessoul ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:09:05 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, if someone behaves in one way 99% of the time, and that is factually documented- I can doubt the 1% that suddenly claims that they did a 180 degree flip. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Chill out.
radioactive2321 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I just reply to the ones that are BS, like this one. The Supreme Leader is wise.
rondell_jones ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:55:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to one of the same school as one of his kids (I was there on scholarship). Trump was typical rich dad. He was a bit more bombastic and showy with his money (even though there were people more wealthier than him there). Nothing struck me as too out there... I don't think he was much liked by the other parents because he would show off his wealth more (not in a "I'm richer than you way", but almost kind of insecure) while the other parents were more reserved and kept out of the spotlight. Personality wise, he wasn't an asshole or anything and got along with everyone. Some of his kids on the other hand....
tetramitus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:07:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people find it tacky to flaunt wealth in some ways, but have no problem with other things. I could imagine being annoyed by trumps needless flaunting of wealth, it makes him seem really insecure. I think it's him trying to maintain an imagine of prosperity. A lot of his brand is based on him being successful and having money, so it would make sense for him to advertise for your brand whenever you can. Some people do this by puting their business name on a work truck, obviously due to celebrity status and income difference Donald's methods are a bit different.
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Yeah I can see that. I didn't vote for trump, just like I wouldn't for any of the parents of the kids I went to school with. Most of them were so disconnected from regular people and their lives/struggles. I find it hilarious that a billionaire real estate mogul from New York City became a champion for the working class. I didn't know trump personally, but I'm sure he was a nice guy. Never heard anything malicious about him personally (except the stuff I mentioned, which isn't necessarily bad). Only thing I can say is that some of his kids are huge assholes. But in that environment it's not really a reflection of the parents since the parents are so busy with their personal businesses/work, that the kids are essentially raised by nannies and tutors.
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rondell_jones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:58:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not going to say... but their media personalities aren't too far from their actually personalities (for the kids).
Sparty_Mcfly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They all seem pretty great from what I've seen in this thread and election coverage. Eric and Donald Jr do seem seem to play good cop vs bad cop in some business deals though.
tetramitus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another thing to consider when dealing with kids who grew up super rich like this is th fact that people have been trying to get something from them their entire lives, they tend to be very walled up psychologically and don't let a lot of people close because of this.
Being an asshole is just a defense tactic for these people sometimes.
rondell_jones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've dealt with many rich kids growing up (I wasn't myself, but had scholarships). Some are awesome and super nice, some are huge assholes. Most are in-between, like most kids. The one thing I felt bad about, even as a kid, was how much they were raised by nannies and not by they're parents. Granted it's not true for everyone. It was weird seeing all these kids excited because my dad would pick me up from school or would call the school to check up on me. They were almost vicariously living through that relationship.
tetramitus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm. I was raised fairly rich. Not having helicopters drop me off places rich, but nice house rich. I was raised almost exclusively by nannies and babysitters. My dad was a physician/business owner and my mom worked with him. They also built a house while I was growing up, which took away a huge part of my childhood, as well as having a mentally retarded sibling.
My dad picked me up from school one time, in kindergarten, in all my years in school.
While my parents were pretty distant in day to day life of my childhood, they were still pretty important. I felt my dad made a lot of time on weekends for us, and we took a lot of small vacations. I rarely felt my dad was 'inaccessible'. There might be a delay in communication if I called, or beeped him and he was with a patient, but generally I never had an issue getting a hold of him, until my adult life. But that's just being an adult, I'm pretty hard to get a hold of as well. We both use my mom as a relay switch for communication because we talk to her more often.
I was a competative skier, and the one thing my dad always did make time for was my skiing. I'm not sure if it was to actually get me skiing, or for him to get out there and ski instead of work, but I turned into a crazy good skier because of it, and I really have my dad to thank, so, thanks dad, for making me really good at a rich white person sport that will be non-existant in 50 years when all the snow melts.
rondell_jones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome. Not all the kids I went to school with were neglected by their parents; some had really awesome caring parents (for context I went to school at a famous prep school in upper manhattan). Unfortunately, for many they never had that "connection" with their parents. They're parents gave them anything they wanted, paid for education and social trips. But nevertheless, without that extra caring touch (simple things like picking them up from school or taking interest to their kids interests) could never make up money. I've seen it firsthand and as I grow into an adult and parent one day, it's a lesson that'll stick with me. Another anecdote: one of the kids I went to a school with grew up and murdered a parent. It was a pretty famous case, so I'll hold off details. But he was one of the cool kids that got everything from his parents (except time).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he wasn't always a billionaire and he talked about helping the working man in an age when we are hated and talked down too constantly. So yeah we love him.
rondell_jones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:57:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The was always rich... his family lived in Jamaica Estates, one of the wealthiest areas in Queens (I know cause I lived not to far from there). He went to a private school in fresh meadows that only millionaires can afford. Dude was born rich. You don't own as much real estate as his dad did in New York without being very well off.
With that said, yes he was able to "talk" to working man, but believe me that was all an act... he's a celebrity and acts a role.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but then he went off with a million dollars. Also he has worked with and talked with working men for years. He knows them better than most millionaires
rondell_jones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:08:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I don't know him personally, so I can't speak to his intentions or personality. But based on his public life, which is out there (and being from New York City, we've been exposed to for decades), he cares more about himself and his business interests than anything else.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did u read this thread? He seems like a very caring a kind man, despite his oddities
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:20:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stories in this thread are from third, fourth, or fifth parties, and there are an unusual amount of stories in general. We've all seen the man himself make fun of disabled people as well as P.O.Ws and others.
Most rational individuals can make their own assumptions about what is going on.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:30:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The POW he made fun of went after him. He's just used to hitting people back. And I have no idea about the disabled person. Never heard of that can't comment either way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The P.O.W. he made fun of is John McCain, who I do not agree with politically, but, let's face it, went through pain and suffering for the rest of us and survived. He's a hero. Trump, who didn't serve in any form or fashion, displayed no respect for someone who literally sacrificed themselves for the U.S.
As for the disabled reporter incident, here is the info for you: http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/28/donald-trump-criticized-for-mocking-disabled-reporter/
We can all agree different media outlets are biased, but Trump was on camera mocking a reporter who happens to be disabled because Trump did not agree with reporter's portrayal of him.
There isn't really a lot you can argue with in either of these examples. He attacked a P.O.W. and a disabled person because he didn't like what they said about him. That's not a characteristic of a successful leader.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean he's already doing well so I don't know how qualified you are to say he's a successful leader.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is doing "well" under the electoral college which is a system that disenfranchises voters and give smaller states an edge over larger states. So another words, smaller states votes count more than they are worth. The purpose of the electoral college is old and outdated (it's purpose was to assist voters in a time when information about candidates was not easily spread) and throughout history it has skewed to help elect divisive figures when someone else won the popular vote.
The thing that qualifies me to say this is that it is readily available history. Check out a text book.
tigerking615 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did the kids do?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:43:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I never personally met him and unlike the rest of these comments it's negative. My aunt was working at a golf course and she happened to caddy for Trump during a charity event. Supposedly he was extremely loud and blamed all his mistakes on her. At the end of the day he didn't bother to tip her. That's basically all I know.
danzey12 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:21:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, either this thread is full of plants or the dudes a fuckin genius.....
ForgottenName8 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:37:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the sake of our country I really hope it's the second one
Good-Writer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:11:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is :)
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:00:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew someone whose cousin had dated him. He had never had a McFlurry before.
PlatinumGoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:11:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's strange considering his fast food habits. Although you're probably talking many years ago, maybe she's the one that got him into the unhealthy stuff!
justSFWthings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew there was something off about him...
janelhombre ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:06:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend knew Trump's high school history teacher. He mentioned that he was a bit of a jerk believe it or not.
jesuschin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:43:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why was his high school history teacher a jerk?
ThatsRightWeBad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:50:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle's golf partner had the same high school history teacher. Said the school's janitor mentioned that the teacher had a pretty obvious drinking problem. So it probably had something to do with that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father's cousin's dad's neighbor's son knew your uncle's golf partner and said he was pretty big into crack. He also said he sucked off your uncle...not even for crack. Just for fun! It sure is a small world.
Noob_Al3rt ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:02:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father worked for Trump Plaza casino for >20 years and encountered Trump about half a dozen times. He said he was always very cordial with his employees, but he never shook hands because of germs.
He also said that the thing about making sure there were no black customers around was completely true, but no one thought it was a huge deal in the 80s.
jmmccabe84 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:21:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a first hand account but...
One of my closer friends in college use to work at his NY golf club. She is a rather good looking girl... She often told me that the girls who worked there knew to flirt with him and sit on his lap when he would visit. Doing so was an easy way to get a $50 or $100. She described him as kind of a pig and asshole.... but not exceptionally worse than a lot of the other people who went there.
Full disclosure: she is now vehemently anti-trump and has posted a lot of other stories in the past months. This is the only one I remember hearing her tell me though.
Andi1up ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:55:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Judging from all of the other comments here, I think your friend is lying.
Callawayc7 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:17:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering that she's a close friend of yours and just now she comes up with a bunch of stories about Trump that she never told you, tells me she's lying.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:28:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure trumpets from the_d are brigading this sub and voted down any negative stories. I do believe the good stories and want to hope don is a good dude and all this act was bullshit but it's too crazy of a coincidence that any negative is downvoted to oblivion
wackawacka2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:53:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sitting on his lap isn't exactly keeping it classy.
jixfix ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:20:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of my mother's went to school with him. She's a hard core conservative, but wouldn't support him in the presidential race. She describes him as 'a bully, even then'.
prancingElephant ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:50:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. This is only the second negative response I've seen here.
SpeeOutlaw ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 02:51:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well considering his middle/high school was boys only, the only way this could be true is if it were in elementary. I don't think many people stay the same as they were when they were 10.
Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:41:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chances are that the negative ones could be fake to smear him. But to be fair this post says even then, which could mean elementary. Also why did Trump get voted to be the ladies man?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:16:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a professor in college a few years back, who worked in casinos his whole life and helped open a few with Trump back in the 90s. He always said Trump was the most arrogant jackass he ever worked with and that if it wasn't for being given so much money to start with he wouldn't have ever become someone.
My professor died about 2 years ago, and I've been thinking about that class a lot lately. Although that professor was heavily conservative I'd be willing to bet he's rolling in his grave with Trump now about to be the president of the most powerful country in the world.
Good-Writer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:55:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a business owner or a competitor Trump will smash your face in like a gorilla. But like a monkey leader they gain support by helping the lowest of the primal group. This is Trump.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:09:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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thisistheonlycomment ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 01:35:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. I finally decided to post but figured people feel very strongly about him both ways so I am making a throwaway. I was the cart girl at a very private golf club. Lets just say helicopters flew in, always body guards (normally because they were super high up CEOS and not celebrities, although there were special things often with "celebrities". They mostly weren't celebrities to me because they were sports stars, although I knew some like Joe DiMaggio, etc and they never have bodyguards) I drove around to serve beer and soda and water.
There was some swanky event going on and Trump was there. It was a shotgun start and sometimes people get behind and there will be a few carts and they kinda gather while they are waiting because people are teeing off. There were some guys there and they are chatting and he kinda grabs me by the arm and pulls me closer to the group. He flops my hair around, takes my face in his hand and turns it and says something like "look at this girls face" and he says some things about how pretty I am and my face was pretty enough to be a model (I was a cute kid but I'm a shrimp though and like 5'2, 100 pounds. I look like shit now though.). He never speaks to me, though. That was it.
Jarvis03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is super creepy
jocala ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:59:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In before this post gets hurried. There's something really strange going on in this one
manatee1010 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:21:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's our president.
I'm honestly still having trouble wrapping my mind around it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:01:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, you are aware Of Bill Clinton right? The bar was lowered a looooong time ago.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:42 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even before Bill, JFK had some very creepy behavior but no one ever talks about that because he's become this infallible saint
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:37 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JFK was anti-establishment at least and trying to abolish to Fed and the CIA
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:18 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's completely irrelevant to my point about his creepy sexual behavior
stevejust ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:10:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a lot to say about this, but at 9 hours into this thread, I'm far too late.
The first time I encountered Trump, it was at a movie theater called the Okee Square. It's not there anymore, but it was on Okeechobee Blvd. in West Palm Beach just 2-3 miles west of Mar a Lago.
I want to say it was about 1994. It was definitely after several of his bankruptcies. He was by himself.
I didn't like the guy already, because when he bought Mar a Lago, one of the first things he did was sue the County of Palm Beach because his now resort is right directly in the flight path of the airport.
Despite the fact that airplanes have to take off into the wind (you know, physics, and all) he wanted them to both take off and land to the West and not fly over his place.
Well, that was stupid. He knew where the airport was when he bought the property, but he still somehow managed to get the County to capitulate and give him the land for what became the Palm Beach Trump International Golf Club. This was before the internet was really a thing, and there's nothing online about this sweet extortion deal he pulled off.
Again, in the wake of his bankruptcies, the surprising thing is that he got into a gold colored Town and Country Minivan, and drove himself by himself (presumably back to Mar a Lago).
So that was the first time I remember bumping into him. I'm not going to talk about the other times because this thread is too old, and I don't want to give too many details such that he could identify who I am. Because I'd be scared to cross him. And I haven't liked him since the days of his extortion scheme to get the land from the County for the golf course.
I'll be salty about that forever.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:25:20 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd heard that Maralargo was the first club in Palm Beach that was racially integrated and the reason the council was giving a hard time was because he was opening a club that allowed WASPs, African-Americans, and Jewish people. Is this not the case?
stevejust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:18 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the Everglades Club practically across the street from Mar a Lago is not integrated, and my father always refused their invitation to speak there because of that.
But I don't recall Mar a Lago necessarily being an 'open' club. Though with a $150,000 buy-in and a yearly membership of somewhere between $40k and $60k, maybe I'm not remembering that part correctly? I definitely do not recall any non-white minorities present anywhere around Mar a Lago (except the groundskeepers). The valets? White. Busboys? White. Hostesses? White. Bartenders? White. Members? Looked like any private club on Palm Beach to me.
PowerShark5000 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:12:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did a photoshoot recently for a former beauty queen contestant in 2013. She says he did make it a point to barge in with groups of dudes while they were in the changing room. Says it was super weird and the girls all kinda felt like cattle.
Duderino732 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call bullshit. What beauty queen?
PeopleEatingPeople ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:58:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple contestants of his pageants have come out and said that he would come into the changing rooms, he even bragged about doing it on Howard Stern. The words came out of his own mouth.
Duderino732 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I think this "personal story" is bullshit.
PeopleEatingPeople ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:08:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The personal story might be bullshit, but Trump has said it himself that he does this.
Duderino732 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:09:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for agreeing with me.
smdcdiaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this too. The amount of respect he doesn't have for women though. Rip.
AllisonRages ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 22:51:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what I don't get about this though? Yes, I think if they're in the middle of changing, that's wrong to barge in whenever BUT these women willingly prance around in bikinis and try to out do each other in looks and provide nothing.
EpsilonMaleSJWcuck ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:27:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You could some that up much more concisely: "they're asking for it" , then we wouldn't have to spend as much time listening to your bullshit
AllisonRages ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:43:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying they're asking for it, I'm saying why are they comfortable being almost nude in front of millions but if a guy barges in the same conditions they're offended?
Jmilne91 ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 18:55:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will be buried now but I was at a Letterman taping back in 2011 or 2012 and Trump was a guest. He said some pretty racist and uncomfortable things. Letterman had to keep cutting him off or correcting him as he was oblivious that what he was saying was coming off terrible. We left there talking about what a jackass he was.
evenios ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:57:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
none of that footage was ever aired eh?
gbimmer ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 19:44:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Letterman would've aired it in a heartbeat about 2 weeks ago if it were real.
MisterCannon ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:41:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the episode in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68CKIQYl4Gg
9 minutes of Trump suggesting Obama was born outside of the US, despite Obama having already released his short and long form birth certificates, and then a few minutes of him showing off his shirts and ties that were made in Bangladesh and China respectively, followed by him saying that China will be the world leader in 2016 because Obama keeps sending our jobs over there.
gbimmer ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 21:00:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is any of that racist?
You need to look up that definition...
Goasupreme ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:23:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really never understood that argument, he said Ted shouldn't be running for president as he might have been born in Canada
MisterCannon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:37:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say it was. I just found you the footage and gave you a synopsis in case you didn't feel like watching.
But now that you mention it... why do you think Trump has never demanded to see any other president's long form birth certificate? He's openly hated every president since Reagan, but never had the same smear campaigns against anyone else.
gbimmer ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:51:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think Hillary started the rumor in the first place?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-campaign-manager-admits-birtherism-started/
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:13:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh snap. The more time goes by the more it's revealed that Hilary would have been a reeeaaaallllly bad choice.
Leaves_Swype_Typos ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:55:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't believe
everythinganything you read on Breitbart, but also look into the source, read it very intentionally, and really think about it. It should be obvious why this isn't indicative of a Hillary staffer starting the conspiracy.Ragnar-ze-Red ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:00:33 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're going to believe Hillary on anything? She threated and made fun of Bills 7 rape victims, lied about Benghazi (do yourself a favor and at least watch a 10 min clip of Trey Gowdy tearing her apart,) repeatedly lied about her emails and even tried to get Matt Lauer fired after an interview when he asked about the emails (her face turns demonic,) she lied about rigging the DNC and it was glorious when the transcripts to her bank speeches came out and she was caught in the lie of wanting to help the lower/middle class.
Here's an amusing one of her getting caught red handed. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLtxm3v6KwY
And another: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bOFENuFHwTk Just to see the real Hillary. Dude in the second half pulls no punches, she was responsible for the deaths of those Americans and for lying to the American public about it.
That fucking laugh every single time before she lies. Yuck.
Edit: here's the Lauer vid. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDXFRAGfOUw
Also, any time the emails come up, she hardly even touches on how it was wrong of her and how she LIED about how many she deleted (destruction of evidence, a felony) 3 weeks AFTER the FBI announced they were opening an investigation. "Well yknow those emails...THE FUCKING RUSSIANS HACKED ME YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN KNOW ANY OF THIS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE CLASSIFIED EMAILS ON A PRIVATE SERVER RUSSIAAAAA WHY YOU LITTLE." Says alot about her.
emaugustBRDLC ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:32:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the run up to the Democratic primaries in 2008, Clinton was pumping all the Illinois Republicans for Obama dirt. It makes absolute sense that this came from her.
uninspiredalias ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:48:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, someone forwarded (meaning it already existed, so didn't originate with the sender) an email, scary!
cluttered_desk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah holmes.
tl;dr rumors and accusations against President Obama had existed for a few years before he ever even announced his candidacy. HRC never personally mentioned or propagated those smears against him.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:38:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Breitbart is not a reliable source. Any other sources for that info?
MisterCannon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, she's a piece of shit too. Just because one person is bad it makes shitty race based things other people do not racist?
profkinera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hw actually accused Cruz of having been born in Canada lol
MisterCannon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Cruz actually was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada...
Obama was born in Hawaii and had released two documents proving that.
One is a much different situation than the other.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:57:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is it nor racist? The birther movement has always been a racist movement that only existed because Obama is Black.
If he were white there is no way people would still be questioning him after he released his long-form birth certificate.
Callawayc7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:53:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do know that it was Hillary campaign in 2008 when she was running against Obama that started the birther's movement, don't you? That was in the leaked email from Wikileaks!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary lost, you can't just shift every criticism of Trump towards her anymore.
And even if one of Clinton's aides (not Clinton herself) shared a birther e-mail back in 2008, Trump is the one who lead the movement for 8 years.
bsbbtnh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a birther movement against John McCain as well.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did it last 8 years and continue to be a thing after he provided his long-form and short-form birth cerificate.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:21:15 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:03 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of these movements caught even 1/100th as much as Obama's did. There is a reason for that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:08:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jayohh8chehn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
President Obama's mother was a US citizen. It fucking didn't matter if he was born in Kenya because Obama woud be just as much of a US citizen as Ted Cruz. It was a fucking dog whistle he blew on for 6 years because Kenya is a black country and this argument Trump was making triggered Racists and bigots.
gbimmer ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 21:41:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not racist, though.
You really need to re-evaluate your understanding of that word...
TouchdownTeddy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:00:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It didn't fucking matter if he was born in Kenya"
You are aware that you have to be born in the states to become president? Whether or not you are a citizen. I don't believe that shit about Obama being born in Kenya, but if it were true it would disqualify him.
PointlessParable ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:17:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true at all. You have to be a natural born citizen. If you had to be born in the US then McCain wouldn't be eligible.
entropy71 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:48:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
McCain was born in the USA, the Panama Canal Zone, which was at the time considered sovereign US soil. It's the same with any US military installation worldwide. The question was still brought up during his candidacy and the legal definition of "natural born citizen" has not been conclusively settled.
idiotsavant419 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:54 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true about military installations being sovereign US soil. I was born on a base internationally and my birth certificate was issued by that country and I have a US Certificate of Birth Abroad that had to be issued by the embassy.
camelheeler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:49:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't he born on a military base which is technically American soil?
idiotsavant419 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:54 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We rent the land for the bases. Examples of American soil abroad would be like the American Cemetery in Normandy, which was gifted to the US after WW2.
madhousechild ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah they even cleared Ted Cruz, and he was born in Canada. I forget the exact justification.
idiotsavant419 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:00:53 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congress passed a resolution that McCain was eligible to run.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-resolution/511
TouchdownTeddy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:40:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh well, TIL
Blobbybluebland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. We're supposed to pretend like the Democrats wouldn't have filed dozens of lawsuits against Ted Cruz to prove his birthplace if he had been the nominee? Please.
madhousechild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, I just watched that, I've seen it before, but he looked to me like an easygoing guy, good sport, nothing racist or uncomfortable whatsoever. Kind of baffled now.
evenios ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:17:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually he did say something akin to that here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkQWiMuRSRA
cluttered_desk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Letterman has been off the air for over a year now dude. Happily retired by all accounts. Even if he were still hosting, he does not have rights to unaired footage from the show; that's CBS's property.
gbimmer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:37:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think CBS wouldn't have aired it? Really? After pussy-grabbing this one would have been a no-brainer.
Use logic
cluttered_desk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That tape was originally leaked to the washington post. It's not like NBC as a network decided to release that. Despite what you may think, it's not like the networks themselves were arrayed against Trump.
In fact NBC had to do damage control following the release of that footage by formally cutting ties with Trump and firing Billy Bush. The leak was not in their interest.
Great recommendation on the use of logic by the way, I'll be sure to do that. It in no way comes across as a trite or shallow way of saying "im rite lol".
evenios ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:13:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or got paid off not to :-p
gbimmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary would've paid more...
Jmilne91 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 19:06:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! I'm sure your a supporter trying to say that I'm "making it up, he isn't bad" it aired as far as I know. I was at the taping so I didn't bother to watch the episode. Look it up for yourself. I'm an indifferent Canadian simply pointing out what I saw.
evenios ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:18:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i posted it above but ill post here. this pretty much confirms it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkQWiMuRSRA didnt find the exact clip but i liked Lettermans responce :-p
robert9712000 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 00:36:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't confirm anything. He never once stated what he said that he considered so racist. Disagreeing with Obama doesn't make someone a racist. So unless you say exactly what he said that was racist no one is going to just take you at your word that whatever he said was racist.
idiosyncrassy ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 05:17:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go back to your Donald Safe Space
Night_FoE ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 07:56:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Behold, fellow redditors. When forced into a corner, the liberal abandons all logic or reason, and instead reverts to its primal form, shouting down arguments with insults rather than address points made. A very fine specimen indeed.
JefChef4 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Response*
evenios ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:13:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
actually i think hes s a big jerk too. i was just curious :-).
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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evenios ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:35:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my parents apparently just watch fox news now. saying all the other news sites are bias agaisnt trump, and i just want to roll my eyes. Tried to argue about it but yeah. you cant. Welcome to the age of ignorance! What gets me is with the sum of all knowledge online and what you would think people would be getting smarter, not stupider. But there ya go.
Maver1ckZer0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I wrote this snarky response about how you were ridiculing the intelligence of our collective society, yet used the word "stupider", which obviously showed just how stupid you were because everyone knows stupider is not a word...except I decided to look it up just in case. And it is. The more you know. Thanks for educating me (in a roundabout way)!
-magilla- ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 23:44:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you sound pretty defensive for someone who doesnt care
jawshthedark ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:32:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they never said they didn't care.
nsfwcamel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:31:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm an indifferent Canadian..."
indifferent - having no particular interest or sympathy; unconcerned
Jmilne91 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:21:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indifferent in that I don't care to argue on reddit. I'm Deeply concerned just like the majority of the world that isn't in tight with dictators. Americans always act like what you do doesn't affect the rest of the world but all you actions have consequences for other nations and markets. You'd have to be a hermit to not be worried about what's coming.
ONE_GUY_ONE_JAR ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:30:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's said a bunch of racist stuff that DID air and it didn't effect him, so what's the difference?
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aSaaadPanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
robert9712000 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did he say that you considered racist?
Kinnasty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your history is packed to the brim with anti trump rhetoric. On top of the fact that your story sounds a little cookie cutter and over exaggerated
Jmilne91 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:19:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Packed to the brim? Talk about over exaggerated. Also if we are gonna point out whose "packed to the brim" your account is basically a trump ad. Pot calling the kettle black much or what
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JobieWanKenobi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know where your mom works?
woahitshayley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:20:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do but for her privacy Is rather not say the company name.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OH, OK. the way it was worded made it sound like you never knew and I thought that was strange
Gorge2012 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:23:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump once told me to, "Get the fuck out his face" outside of Shea Stadium in 2006.
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Gorge2012 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:53:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My only thought at the time was mother fucker is tall.
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Gorge2012 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:09:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The short story: his bodyguard bounced me into him outside the stadium.
IHaveFavorites ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:11:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My aunt was a flight attendant for many years. Back in 1987, she was working a flight that The Donald was on. It was right after he started his affair with Maples, and he was with her. She said he was very inappropriate with certain female flight attendants, but not with her. She also said Marla asked for extra blankets and pillows, and told all the flight attendants she was pregnant (which was a lie)... interesting couple.
Tomusina ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:08:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to my Great Aunt, they went to the same grade school or something. She described him as a "spoiled brat who always had a runny nose."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:19 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His middle and high schools were boys-only, so this must have been elementary school
Tomusina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:02 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it was when he was quite young
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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cursedcassandra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:42 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's never done drugs or alcohol which is amazing considering that he was a rich NY celebrity during the excesses of the 70s, 80s and 90s. Amazing really.
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murgurdurth ยท 194 points ยท Posted at 16:45:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I worked on a technical proposal for one of his buildings. Long story short, it was one of the few companies that can do the type of electrical work required for the project, we gave him a BAFO proposal and made it clear it was a great price and little room for negotiation (true). He comes into a meeting with us and without skipping a beat says "cut it by 40%" and walks out. We leave the meeting assuming we've lost the bid. A month later he calls my boss and says "can you cut it by 40%?" We walked away from the work. My entire office voted for Clinton. edit: to clarify, we had already negotiated the price several times before the BAFO
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darkscottishloch ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 19:37:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone accepted a lower margin and lost opportunity costs to win a big name client. Nothing wrong with that; if you have the leverage, use it to your advantage. Hopefully the money they saved was not at the expense of quality and safer standards.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:51:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's possible but I'm just not sure why anyone would.
I mean if OP is telling us only a handful of companies in the world can do this work and this specific company was at least well known enough that DJT knew to contact them, why bother slashing their prices? It stands to reason that other builders must be aware of them too and, since there are so few companies capable of doing the work, it probably also stands to reason that they're the ones with the leverage.
jobelenus ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:13:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that is why they walked away.
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cbessemer ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:41:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doubtful. If someone beat their price, he wouldn't be calling a month later trying to save 40% still. He'd already have a signed contract with the other guy.
CreativeGPX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He would if the better price was anywhere between 1% and 39% lower than their quote and he wanted to see if the 40% was still possible.
cbessemer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think saying "Clearly" on a huge assumption is wrong. He has a history of beating people up on numbers, and playing some shady games. Toss in the stories of stiffing people and the bankruptcies that meant people didn't get paid, and I doubt your assertion.
CreativeGPX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:18:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I... didn't say clearly. ???
The reason why what I'm saying makes sense is that: You're suggestion means that he either (1) chose a higher price or (2) has a building out there that still has no electricity. Given that his business does this regularly, it's likely that they know the kind of money they can squeeze out of people and were bargaining with the other companies that do that. It's not at all unlikely that he was able to haggle some down, and that one of those alternatives came in at least as low as the initial "good" offer the OP provided. Given that the OP stated how few competitors there are, it sounds a lot like the OP's company probably isn't used to having to be competitive.
cbessemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You voted for him, didn't you?
cbessemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The original post you defended, said "clearly". Obviously you didn't read it, you just wanted to either argue or defend him.
CreativeGPX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:49 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did read it. I didn't use the word clearly, the other person did. My comment agreed that the conclusion was likely true, not that it was "clear".
Rather than addressing my point (that what you're suggesting makes no sense), you are debating (1) whether it's "clear" and (2) whether you can write off my actual arguments with an ad hominem attack.
cbessemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:15 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, he fights to get the best deal, but to walk into a meeting with a team of professionals, immediately demand 40% off, and walk out, makes you an asshole. Then to call after a month, and ask for it again makes you an asshole again. Trump is an asshole, and he hasn't met enough people that tell him no.
CreativeGPX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:45 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We weren't talking about if he was an asshole.
Dest123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the companies that "outbid" you by going 40% lower are actually just desperate for work. They bid low even though it can't really be done for such a low price. Then they'll get to the end and just ask for more time and money to finish the project. Lots of times the bid that's 40% lower actually ends up being 40% higher by the time the project is completed.
That's a big part of the reason why so many projects(in all industries) end up being delayed.
SnatchHammer66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then if that happens he tells them he's not going to pay them? Seems reasonable to me.
Dest123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most times companies don't pay one lump sum at the end. They pay throughout the project since that money is needed to actually do the project. So what happens is that they already have a bunch of money invested in the project by the end, and it's less expensive to just finish the project than it is to find someone else to do the project.
Obviously, they never work with that company again. Eventually the company's reputation gets around and they go out of business since they can't find work.
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Thedickmeister69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:10:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um... By the fact that he later came back asking them again for the price he requested, that sounds unlikely.
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LGBecca ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:49:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the other company was willing to work for far less than what they were worth because it was Trump.
TheManWhoPanders ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:51:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then that latter price was still the better price. They would not have accepted the offer if it wasn't valuable for them to do so.
eqleriq ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:50:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't a better price for a multitude of reasons. Those deals harm the industry, lower the profits in the long run, and are not sustainable business models.
You're assuming there was any other offer that was better.
LazLoe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can get it done right, or you can get it done cheap.
Conjwa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well assuming the building got built, there must have been a better offer.
eqleriq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
one of the few = plural
Cobalt_88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How? They walked out on the deal? He didn't not choose them. In fact they clearly pursued them repeatedly.
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Thedickmeister69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. You really have political blinders on
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Taylor814 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:16:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have friends who worked on Trump projects and they went in with their proposal prices already inflated so that when the call came to cut it by 20, 30, or 40%, they could.
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:35:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if someone secretly voted for him
eastcoastdude ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:36:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what every media outlet/pollster was predicting the outcome would be a lot of people secretly voted for him
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:50:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
exactly
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:21:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And probably didn't want to tell /u/murgurdurth as to avoid being beaten.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha true
MaddenMan73 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:54:44 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of moron company would leave little room for negotiation in a business deal with Trump? Didn't you guys do your homework?
murgurdurth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:40:26 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
clarified in post...we had already negotiated and revised the price several times.
[deleted] ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 22:41:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You voted for Clinton because a business man asked to cut a bid by 40%? That seems pretty petty considering most businesses will negotiate bids in a similar way. If you open it up for negotiation, you had better expect them to low-ball you on the first counter-offer. Especially if he already had a better offer that he was trying to get you to beat.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 23:22:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No kidding, op is probably general labor.,
MeowntainMan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:30:50 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
most things, except for when and how you'll die, can be negotiated.
the_glutton ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:26:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised I haven't heard more of this. The personal stories are great, but a man is who he is by how he does business. Kudos to you all for walking away when you knew it was too much. My suspicion is that others who he has screwed weren't smart enough to walk away or were too enamored with the man himself to remember that they could get screwed in the transaction.
The_Punniest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you think...
imapotato99 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:33:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and I call BS
SquanchingOnPao ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:52:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your office wasn't big enough apparently.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:53:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just in the wrong state, since the dude has now lost the popular vote by over 1 mill
g-spot_adept ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:23:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I would see him in nightclubs in NYC back when he was in his mid-30's. He was a serious douchebag back then as well, in fact, he was much worse! He was married to Ivana at the time and had a couple of small kids.
He usually had a group of people with him, but he would keep a distance from them, which seemed to be his idea. He was a womanizer and would try to get the pretty girls at the club, and would have some luck with the gold-digger types, which is no real feat, but many of the finest specimens were not swayed by his wealth, which would frustrate him, and then his cad/douchiness side would be at its worst, as he would be way too forward and creep out the woman.
He wasn't much of a drinker even back then, so we can't blame his aberrant behavior on that. It wasn't that out of character for a spoiled rich kid you could probably find in many cities across America, they all make you want to hurl, and many of the women would talk to each other, so when they would notice him approaching (he was taller than most people in the club) the hot object of his desire would often navigate themselves to another side of the club, as his reputation as a jerk would precede him. I never saw Ivana out with him, I imagine she was home with the kids.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:24:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a lie
BlacksmithSasquatch ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 02:53:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald doesn't drink at all. This guy said: wasnt much of a drinker. Suspicious
EpsilonMaleSJWcuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an argument
g-spot_adept ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:43:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nice try, Donald! - I notice you said the same thing all throughout the campaign! - you haven't changed a bit!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:05:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I know this is a lie because my uncle is a lawyer and is good friends with Donald and has been for years and has noted his disdain for clubs ever since he was in college lol.
cursedcassandra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:26:13 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Ivana was the one who always wanted to socialize while Trump preferred to stay home mainly going out for business. Ivanna being out so much was a factor in their divorce.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:55:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. You're the liar.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QOECAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35
g-spot_adept ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:08:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apparently, someone was BS-ing your uncle. Ask people from NYC, this isn't breaking news I am reporting!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:37:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, my uncle has known him personally since he was in college. He isn't a club guy. You are lying to try and make him look bad.
g-spot_adept ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:50:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't lie, and I haven't known him all of my life, I can only tell you what I saw in 1982-1983, so maybe he was just in a bad streak, but I hate to burst your bubble, but the history documented in the NY newspapers, as well as recent behavior we see on TV, only bolsters what I saw, and contradicts your uncle's version. Sorry dude, ask people from NYC, I wasn't the only patron of NYC clubs. Ask Madonna, I used to see her out a lot as well.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:56:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://books.google.com/books?id=QOECAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35
Here, proof.
g-spot_adept ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:23:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I expected the proof to come out soon enough :)
Smiles360 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:23:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom and her company had to deal with him once, she said he was a dick and didn't really treat people well.
mister4string ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:37:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
About 5 years ago, I was hired by a company in NYC to serve as musical director for an employee event. It was a pretty major thing, too; it took place in a Broadway theater on one of their dark nights (meaning no shows), and we were incredibly pressed for time: load-in, set-up, rehearsal, tech rehearsal, script changes, and then showtime all in one day. Incredibly stressful. I really should have charged them 3x the money. Stupid me.
If any of you have worked in corporate events, you know that things like this have a LOT of moving parts and everything is rigidly scripted: music cues, lighting cues, set changes, entries and exits. Pretty much nothing happens on that stage that is not discussed ad nauseum, as these shows are incredibly expensive to produce; I would venture this one night set the company back several million dollars. It ain't the time to wing it, and to make matters more stressful, it featured a lot of employees of the company as performers. These guys were game, but they were not professionals. Not their fault, it just wasn't their comfort zone and things moved a lot slower as a result. Some of them had never been on a stage before, much less a Broadway theater stage, so we had to really ease them along.
Anyway...our President-elect was friends with some of the mucky mucks at the company and agreed to make a quick appearance. Pretty simple...you go onstage when you're supposed to, you say what you're supposed to say, and you exit. And within all that, there were music cues attached to the script, as well as lighting cues and things popping up onscreen behind him. Lots of activity.
So this asshole decides to skip rehearsal, which I guess I expected. But in the middle of the show, about 15 minutes before he was scheduled to appear, I spied him standing offstage. And being very busy, I didn't think anything of it, until out of the corner of my eye I spied him walking out on stage and up to the emcee, where he proceeds to immediately throw the entire chain of events into utter chaos for ten minutes. All the cues went haywire due to his departure from anything script-related, he rambled and moved around the stage haphazardly, and I honestly thought I was going to witness, and be a part of, a cluster-fuck of unspeakable proportions.
It was only due to the absolute professionalism of the crew that we salvaged this from the brink of disaster, and it was a good two days before my balls retracted from my stomach back to where they belonged. The only positive thing that came out of it was the non-stop invective being hurled his way over the crew headsets for the remainder of the show. That almost made it worth it. Almost.
TL;DR: Captain Oompah Loompah almost ruined a huge corporate event I worked on, just for the fuck of it.
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AnotherPint ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:36:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked on my share. This poster has the stress level absolutely right. Trump disrupting everything like this would have driven people to tears. I can't imagine.
OOOPENOOO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:47:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hilarious! Great post!
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IrateMollusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and stories from guys who 90% of their comment history is implying Trump is a Russian agent talking about how Trump surrounds himself with Russians. 100% trustworthy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you didn't hear but the KKK has deep ties!
IrateMollusk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:08:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in South Carolina once to meet my cousin. We went to get ourselves a late-night steak from a local joint and in the park across the street we saw a row of men get out of vans in white hoods. They released a black man from the back of the SUV and chased him down before beating him to death. Then, as they stood over his body, a final car pulled up. and out stepped a golden haired monster: Donald Trump. He walked over to the corpse of the innocent man, urinated on it, and walked back to his car. He saw us staring and shot us a smile and a thumbs up. I will never forget that traumatic night, and needless to say I voted Clinton. #NotMyPresident #TotallyHappened
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you brave man for coming out with this absolutely truthful and highly troubling story.
nwest0827 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:09:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you implying that is what I am doing? I have never done that nor do I believe those reports. Furthermore, what makes you assume I voted Clinton? You have absolutely no idea who I voted for, why assume? The hashtags at the end of your post were comical, I remember when right wing youtubers did the same thing to Obama. I vividly recall Adam Kokesh making videos saying "Obama is NOT MY PRESIDENT!"
Fuckkk.... This country man
IrateMollusk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, considering that I never replied to you and yet you came at me to neurotically defend your honor as though I was specifically addressing you, I'll simply fall back to the old classic: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
nwest0827 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:24:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of your comments went directly to my inbox as replies. Strangeeeee
IrateMollusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All my comments? Unless you've followed me somehow that's bollocks. Hell, the story you're ranting about the hashtags from was very obviously in response to someone else as anyone can see by looking down a few cm.
nwest0827 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they go directly to my inbox as they are indirect replies to my original comment
IrateMollusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't sure who posted the OP or what it said since it's deleted, but through the wonder of uneddit:
How in gods name when it said that did you think I was then sassing you because I engaged in banter with someone else? The comment literally chained off what you said to throw shade at someone else entirely, so unless you've been going around posting Donald trump russian conspiracies there was no reason for that reaction.
nwest0827 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt delete my comment, it looks as if you are trying to say I did. Also, why would you even bring it up in the first place? I didnt mention it
ieataquacrayons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 5 my dad and I passed him outside Yankee Stadium (opening day). He shook my dads hand. This was late 80s/early 90s. Thought it was kind of cool that he was just out with the public.
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carsonnwells ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One sode....??
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sammwalk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:37:29 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is in central NJ. Two years ago on Easter I was at church. At the end the pastor had the congregation turn around to face the choir for a hymn. There amongst folks towards the back was Trump.
As everyone was filing out after the service, I saw him take off, alone, in a giant white Rolls Royce.
pdhot65ton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:00:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting how much his public persona seems to differ from his personal one.
bryanna_leigh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read a boat load of people's stories on this thread, and though not a Trump fan I am pretty happy to see some many positive interactions. Gives me a bit of hope.
prodromic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:41:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother use to be executive chef at trump tower chicago. He said trumps favorite thing to order was well done steak and fries.
minaj_a_twat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:57:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just keep thinking how many of these golf course workers now know each other's Reddit accounts
Minihem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A professor of mine once said he'd met him. Described him as large, both physically and in personality. One word that will forever stick with me about his description was of his huckster attitude.
He was a pleasant guy, it seems.
rollin20s ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:13:08 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sat next to Trump/Malania at the 2003 NBA Draft and got his autograph on a $1 bill
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:55:18 on February 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope he see's these comments (though he probably will not). He deserves to see that all of these kind gestures have not gone forgotten. Imagine being in his shoes reading some of these and saying "I remember that!".
SkankHunt72 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:41:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I often joke around on here, but I met him back before I knew I didn't have what it takes to be a super model. He didn't grab my pussy or anything physical but he def mad me uncomfortable. Like I could tell he wanted to sleep with me and he knew I knew and he was happy about that.
Edit: sadly, I did for money.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:50:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting comment history. Lots of posts speaking from a mans perspective
SkankHunt72 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 06:56:24 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a man.
feppuccini ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:49:18 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But 2 days prior to posting this you made a post on Askreddit titled "Might have sex for first time this weekend, how important is a safeword? Any good choices?"
In which you said claimed to be 1. A virgin. 2. Kinda Old but also 3. In school.
I know nobody's gonna see this cept for you but duuuuude. Up your game man
grumpyhipster ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:06:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you. I also believe the stories that seem like he's a nice guy. He probably can be nice. Most people can be.
smdcdiaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It's obvious he's intelligent, friendly and probably a nice guy. But he obviously doesn't have much respect for women, because clearly we're there for his pleasure cause men are master race. Pretty sad really.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know many intelligent and nice people who associate with white supremacists.
zukonius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:08:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've had a hell of a career. modeling and trash collecting?
SkankHunt72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:34 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be clear I was never a SUPER model.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:55 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I'm sure you're an ex-model "skankhunt72".
SkankHunt72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:40 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I'm not a weirdo like SkankHunt71
Delicateplace ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:38:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A man wanted to sleep with a model? Disgusting.
vankorgan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Potzer, would you relax? Trump is already the president, he doesn't need you defending his clearly good name anymore.
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SkankHunt72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not anymore sadly. I got fat.
mephistophelessoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:57 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How come I have you res tagged as safeword virgin?
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size_matters_not ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 09:46:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A close friend of mine interviewed him when he came to Scotland for his golf course. It was a stand-up, sound-bite style interview, rather than a sit-down long chat, but he still had to wait around while the camera was set up etc, as everyone does.
She said he was utterly charmless and unpleasant to talk to, and quite arrogant. Just for comparison, she did a similar set-up with Gordon Brown, when he was UK Prime Minister (and known for his glumness), and said that he couldn't have been nicer or more helpful off-camera.
Make of that what you will.
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size_matters_not ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:56 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't normally do this, but I was thinking about my earlier reply to you, and I realised it was ungracious, so sorry for that.
But it did occur to me that my friend, who you seem to be ... insulting? (It's hard to know) has interviewed both former Prime Ministers and future Presidents, while we sit here insulting strangers on Reddit. Perhaps we could both use some of what she's got - whatever that may be?
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:15:20 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally know many Europeans, especially people in the UK. The cultural differences are fascinating. I can see that a native New York multi billionaire celebrity would be VERY hard for them at first to handle. Even the average Americans style comes off as arrogant to them.
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size_matters_not ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:12:16 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, I went to school with a guy whose uncle managed Beckton gasworks ... so who's got the last laugh now?
I'm assuming you were a 'footsoldier' for Harper? You're clearly an asset on the campaign trail - you should keep doing that.
Also, who the fuck is Jack Layton?
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Hey, don't get testy - I know who Jack Layton is now - he bestrode the globe like a colossus as the official opposition in Canada, until dying - so interacting with you hasn't been a complete loss. I can't wait to see the chick's faces when they get a load of my spiel about old John Gilbert "Jack" Layton, (July 18, 1950 โ August 22, 2011).
Did you know that when Layton was running for president of the Federation of Canadian Municipalities, he would gather people together in his hotel room and play the guitar and get everybody singing old folk songs from the 1960s? He just got people involved, just with his personality, not politics.
Makes you think, eh?
But did he ever meet the manager of Beckton Gasworks? I'll think - and you can search Wikipedia as briefly as I did if you like - you'll find that he didn't.
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size_matters_not ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:14:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like you need to rethink your life. Sadly, we both know you're not capable of that.
PleasantNA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you weren't describing yourself with that comment?
DeucesCracked ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 11:33:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my cousins is an architect. One of Donald's people ordered plans for a building with the agreement if he decided to build it, my cousin would be the contractor to oversee the job and make any modifications. After the plans were drawn up my cousin got called to Trump's office and was told he didn't like the plans and he wouldn't be using them and he wouldn't be purchasing the land, but if my cousin wanted to recoup some of the money he would have made he could sell the plans so that Trump's competition couldn't use them. So he did that.
And then Trump bought the land and had immigrant labor build it contracted under an in-house guy.
So, my cousin called his contact and was told, "Well, you can sue us. And you'll win. In 20 years after spending more than you'd recover. And maybe we won't end up paying anyway." The year after the building was built Trump declared bankruptcy and dodged his creditors, one of whom my cousin would have been, even though the company the building was deeded to was making money hand over fist.
So, in other words, he's a con artist.
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Kaiserlongbone ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 10:10:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was an interview recently with Tony Schwartz, the journalist who ghost wrote The Art Of The Deal for Trump. It's available as a podcast on the BBC radio 4 website. He got to know Trump very well, and is absolutely certain that he's a sociopath, and very much a man to be concerned about. He said that most people he spoke to thought it was ridiculous to be worried about Trump having access to the nuclear trigger (before they met him), but that after they'd met him, they suddenly changed their mind and became very concerned. Apparently he's very thin skinned and easily upset by minor slights, and tends to act impulsively. Scary thought that this man has such power.
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BaldBombshell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of those predated the campaign.
macaroni-and-please ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:27:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope I'm not too late! My mom was a flight attendant and met him on a flight. She said he took her out on a date and was a total douche. Wouldn't stop talking about himself.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:53:50 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're actually telling the truth about your mom telling you this, then I have some bad news buddy. Big Don boned your mom and she's mad over it being a one and done deal.
macaroni-and-please ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha no way. She was a model before flight attendant, so it's safe to say she could do better than Donald Trump.. That being said, she also didn't know he was a millionaire.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:35:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are more models from 30 years ago in this thread than I thought existed, so I'm sorry if your story is true but most of these smell like BS to me.
macaroni-and-please ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The story's true, but I mean it's reddit, so I get it.
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PeopleEatingPeople ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:02:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple negative experiences are getting deleted as well. A lot of celebrities seem to have negative experiences with him, I think those are more verifiable than anonymous reddit comments.
Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they're actors, they're rich folk. They don't understand.
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Midnight_arpeggio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, it does go both ways. There's no way to really discern truth from fiction on the internet. Gotta do more research and compare sources. Alas, that's pretty difficult on Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:13:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Figure at least half the stories were plagiarized from somewhere else and half of the other half are outright lies.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
stop watching CNN, its helps.
Midnight_arpeggio ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:53:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. I never watch CNN. I don't like to watch the news, but instead try to do my own research using various news sources from in and outside the US.
medallions ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:22:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've met Bill, too. Right after 9/11 he was walking the streets near the armory shaking hands and talking to family members looking for loved ones.. He is gifted in connecting to the regular people. Never met Hillary, but I've heard nothing but horrible things.. and from women who have worked at their foundation no less.
Blackout356 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:35:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to comment here but I am actually afraid of legal repercussions. Without going into to much detail I will just say. I have delt with him once on a personal level at a younger age. Donald Jr. Once on a personal level while fly fishing in the Catskills a few years ago. I also delt with Dezer Trump development on a business level while doing business in Miami. I can't say that any of the interactions were pleasant ones. I have relatives that did a ton of business with him in the 80's through the 90's and let's just say I was warned by them later in life not to make the same mistakes they did. I did not listen to thier warnings and paid for it.
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:39:37 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has always said he is a ruthless shark when doing business, especially with other sharks. Personally, I like that mentality looking out for us.
cowtung ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:42 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What indication have you seen so far that Trump intends to look out for anyone but himself?
Gwthrowaway80 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:29:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an arrogant asshole that tells people what they want to hear.
About 15 years ago, I was at a wedding at his house in Florida, called Mar a Lago. My wife was in the wedding party and there was a lot of prep work because it was (obviously) a very fancy wedding. So, there were several days of rehearsals and stuff, but Mr. Trump was only there on the first day. (I didn't expect him to hang out all week, just pointing out that I only had one day of contact.)
A lot of folks knew him or knew of him, of course, and they always talked to him about golf. I was in earshot of him for three different golf conversations. In each one, a person would talk about a golf course that he/she liked and Mr. Trump would respond that he knew it very well and that it was the best course, and his favorite. Three different people, three different courses. All the best. That's when I learned that things to him are either 'best' or 'worst'. There is nothing in between.
The next day, after he left, the groundskeeper had his house keys to let people into various rooms. The keys had a keyring that just said 'God' on it. I asked the caretaker guy if Mr. Trump was religious. He responded, "No. That's just so he can tell which set of keys is his."
So, yeah. Arrogant asshole that you can't trust.
The_Punniest ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:15:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol so he is an arrogant ass hole for being friendly and for his grounds keeper putting a nickname on a keychain?
LOLingMAO ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:34:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4 of the top 10 comments are from accounts not even a year old...
deadly_inhale ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:36:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The replies are a graveyard of removed, I wonder what's going on? My guess is anti trump spammers.
dcdcd101 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:01:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Uncle is a member at the trump international golf course. He was showing my Dad and I around the course and we decided to eat some lunch. Low and behold Trump was also eating lunch at the same time. I asked my uncle if I could meet him and he said I could, but only after lunch. Apparently Trump would not have shook my hand until after he ate, germaphobe or something. So after lunch I was introduced and he shook my hand. He told my dad I was a very fine boy and wished us well for the rest of our trip. Overall a pretty pleasant experience. What's funny is like 2 years ago that was one of the lamest stories I could tell, but now holy shit I get the widest range in reactions from people. Tl;dr President said I was a fine boy and shook my hand.
MojoDohDoh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:01 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was on a trip in New York with my family when I ran into Trump.
It was in the summer, maybe 10 years ago or so, apparently uncharacteristically warm - I was a bit young back then so that's about all I remembered my parents saying about it.
Anyways - my parents left me alone by this store, so I wandered a block or two until a cat caught my eye. It was a grey tabby, nothing extraordinary, but I was a kid at the time so naturally, I chased it around the block. Eventually we both got tired, and I somehow got my hands around it - I guess it didn't perceive me as a threat anymore so it let me pet it for a bit.
Suddenly, out of nowhere I hear a voice go "put the cat down, kid" - as a hand comes out of nowhere and just grabs the cat out of my hands. I look up, and there he was - Donald Trump. I immediately recognized him from Home Alone 2 since my parents thought it'd be a good idea to watch that on the drive up to New York. He admonished me for a bit before sending me on my way - apparently it was his daughter's cat or something.
Anyways - he wasn't particularly rude to me or anything even though I was still a kid (I think I was in middle school? Early highschool...) it was kind of weird seeing him run for president.
LehighLuke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:00:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what?...that story makes no fucking sense
Serberus190 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:56 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kid chased cat, was trumps cat, got scolded but wasn't an uncalled for scolding.
LehighLuke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kid was allowed to wander around the streets of NY by themselves? Trump's daughter's cat was just running around the streets feral? whatever...
itschloe_thatsme ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:10:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are the top 3 comments and a gazillion others deleted? I know that [Serious] threads tend to attract deletions, but this is seriously looking fishy.
Colby347 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:05:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing a Trump thread is going to attract a lot of non serious replies.
UpperclassmanKuno ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were positive stories so of course we can't have any of that.
itschloe_thatsme ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:22:00 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? The majority of the stories are positive. I only started seeing more negative stories when I switched from
"top""best" to "new".Edit: I meant best. Tbh, I don't really understand the distinction between "top" and "best".
UpperclassmanKuno ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I kid I kid
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.____. hmkay.
nonexistant_account ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:22:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's dad does business in NYC and Trump once tried to strike a deal with him. When friend's dad refused to do business with him, Trump apparently tried to lash out. I don't know the details, but I'm guessing it was through a lawsuit.
to-too-two ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:15:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Trump Administration...
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:16:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I'm just a guy who was looking for more insight. I keep seeing folks posting stuff like this and I'm just me. :(
to-too-two ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:26:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was only being facetious!
pBeloBAC11 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 07:23:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soooooooooooo all the negative comments are being deleted. Beautiful normalization here.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:51:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are the negative comments relevant to the title? Can you link me one, because they don't get deleted?
pBeloBAC11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:12:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5d8zop/serious_people_who_have_met_or_dealt_with_donald/da33br2/ <- waiting until this one is gone.
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pBeloBAC11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:53 on November 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I am very creeped out.
mayrut ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 04:52:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buddies of mine were part of his teleprompter crew. When that attack happened where 49 Americans were killed in Florida Nightclub by a Muslim gunman, he came out to do a press release. All he kept saying was he wants to get back to his golfgame. He didn't give a sh!t about the Americans that were killed or Muslim extremism. The man lacks empathy, a total a-hole.
SecretAgent9090 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:58:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was the press release for? And why did he need teleprompters?
mayrut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:11:03 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was just responding to that incident. And he uses teleprompter for everything, just watch any of his speeches including his winning speech after the election. It's the two glass panels to the left and right. I believe this is the prompter read that my prompter friends were referring to: https://youtu.be/Xv-t5BcqXlA
cursedcassandra ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 09:03:45 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he lacked empathy he wouldn't have interrupted his game to make a statement vowing to protect the LGBT community in America from intolerant ideologies would he? Especially since he was running as a Republican so there was no political gain in doing so. Finally your comment is based on second hand sources and conclusions. I suggest he should be judged by the statement he made. I found it very moving.
mayrut ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:08 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He interrupted his game because he was a political candidate for the highest office. Unfortunately, his lack of empathy is a consistent part you hear from many different people who have been in direct contact with him. In this speech and in other speeches you hear from politicians, you should check out when their gaze is planted to the left or right because that is when they are reading off their speechwriters words from the prompter. Yes, it is pretty ballsy to come out as a Republican in support for LGBT, this was a perfect opportunity for any politician because the Attacker had Muslim ties and therefore could be tied to extremism. By the way, the investigation in Orlando shooting didn't lead to an extremist link. I hope the office of the President graduates him to a good leader of the Americas. You have way more faith and have drank a lot more koolaid.
ghostpicnic ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:14:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I personally never met him I do know someone who met him about a week prior to him announcing his run for presidency. This guy belongs to one of Trump's Country Clubs and Trump was there one weekend to take pictures and i guess socialize with the members. According to him when he asked Trump for a picture he responded with "let's get this over with" and refused to shake his hand afterwards.
throwingit_all_away ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:49:45 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one time I was lost in NYC and I happened to ask this guy if he knew where I could find a bathroom. Turned out it was future president Donald J Trump. The bathroom was right where he said it was 5/5 would use again.
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I can actually contribute to this. About 7 years ago I worked for a camera rental house in Burbank, CA. They were filming a celebrity golf tournament at Trumps golf course in Palos Verdes. They needed a camera assistant last minute so they sent me down for the day. Trump was playing against the guys from Entourage, I didnt have any personal time with him but I did follow him around all day and hear him talking to everyone. I road down to Palos Verdes in a car with the still photographer, This dude was a super nice guy, He was a older, short, kinda hunched over balding dude that didn't seem to have a whole lot of confidence from the way he spoke. He was obviously a huge camera nerd like me, we basically chatted the whole drive down and he told me his only goal in life was to win a pulitzer prize, He was such a sweet dude. While we were on the course Trump was about to tee and the photographer ran ahead, did this crazy belly slide into position in front of Trump to get an epic shot of him tee'ing off. Obviously, its a bad idea to be in front of someone when they're about to tee off but honestly I thought we was far and low enough out of his way that it wouldn't be a big deal but Trump wasn't psyched about it. In the middle of this whole thing with camera crew's rolling and celebrities surrounding him, Trump stops, points and say's "Hey Photographer, Do you want to lose your fucking head? Get the fuck out of the way". The photographer quickly grabbed his shit and got up and ran off to find another angle. I felt so bad for that dude because I knew he only mean't the best and was probably super embarrassed. I never had any pre notions about Trump before then but I did know who he was, but the way he handled that I always was felt was very bully-esqe and just kinda wanted to embarrass someone for some cheap laughs.
project_trollbox ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:02:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So having an uncle that took a golf ball to the head and now has permanent brain damage, it was a pretty stupid move to get in front of someone like that. Maybe not the best way to handle the situation but getting hit with a golf ball is serious stuff. If not for the amazing doctors that preformed surgery my uncle would not have survived the brain swelling.
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I totally agree, not a good move on his part getting in the way like that but always felt like Trump could of handled it better for sure. Im really glad your uncle is okay!
CardboardHeatshield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man, if I were about to tee off, and halfway through my swing when some dude with a camera belly slid, unexpectedly, in front of me, I'd be pretty pissed.
Thats almost as bad as crossing the line at a rifle range during live fire. Like, not only are you in a dangerous spot, you're surprising the person hitting the ball which makes it that much more likely that he's gonna slice it off directly into your dome.
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Yeah I get that, Im not vouching for the guy or saying what he did was right. I just fell like he doesn't have to call the dude out and laugh him off the whole with his buddies like Trump did. I play golf quite a bit and would of just said "hey man, I don't want to accidentally hit you in the face. Could you please move". To each their own tho, I understand where you're coming from.
Good-Writer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was angry and had to warn him.
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Please expand upon this
orchlon ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably business demands where he makes demands about business stuff while talking about business in a business discussing lunch in a business talking restaurant that is also a business.
alexmikli ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:28:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did a business!
thelonelybiped ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:07:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Could you make this water less Mexican?"
Bill_Dicking_Bimbos ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:23:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wanted his steak well done prob. I voted for Trump and like most of his ideas but I cant get over the fact that he likes his steak well done.
ffxivthrowaway03 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:01:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that King of the Hill episode where Hank finally meets his hero George Bush only to find out Bush has a limp handshake. His whole world is shattered.
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"What if they want theirs well done?"
"We ask them politely, yet firmly, to leave."
HDRed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the answer.
kamikaze44 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how Hank would have voted in this election.
HoodedStranger90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KotH wasn't a show I watched religiously by any means (though I did enjoy it) but I always remember seeing this episode for some reason.
dogcatsnake ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fine with him eating a well-done steak, but I do care that he is a misogynistic, racist pig.
mnwinterite ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait until he deregulates wall street again. That last recession was a fluke.
coleosis1414 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I can't wait until he cuts taxes for the top earners again since we've seen how well that works for the middle class over the last 30 years.
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Trickle down to me baby! Imma be rich bitches!
Jmc_da_boss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably being a business man
Chilliconlaura ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he have any unusual eating habits? Did he ever order anything odd?
Sil369 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:55 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he once ate pizza with a fork and knife
im_a_rascal_in_bed ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:09:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like these questions are weird....why do you wanna know? Is it like a fetish you have?
CreativeGPX ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:51:52 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this whole thread is about trying to distance ourselves from the political front and get to know the nuance that makes him human.
check_ya_head ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:12:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are the only one on this thread to say he didn't tip well. All the other ones were about how generous he was with tips, gifts, etc.....
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:35:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've spent some time reading this thread because I am hiding from my in laws. Nearly every person who had a comment that praises trump has literally nothing pro-trump in their post history. Literally every person who has posted something negative had nearly all anti-trump comment history.
I have worked with a shit ton of concrete crews who have formed on his buildings. He makes sure all amenities are met for the job sites. Porto johns, safety stuff, lighting, etc. he frequently sends catering to jobs.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because anything that doesn't conform to his supporter's ideals gets obliterated by downvotes, while everything that makes him look good goes to the top, exactly like how they manipulate the front page.
PM_ME_plsImlonely ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 02:42:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sort by controversial, all the most negative comments are clearly made up or embellished.
256bitsofentropy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the same can be said for many of the popular comments
PM_ME_plsImlonely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:12 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say otherwise, but there are a lot more of those.
Leaves_Swype_Typos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:59:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given the nature of his charitable giving, or unbelievable lack thereof, which is something that's more than just stories from random redditors and is thoroughly researched, this seems believable.
StrangeConstants ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:41:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment is the odd man out and is lacking in detail.
Jon_Boopin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me, how and where would you eat lunch with him many times? Please, go into detail. I want to hear it.
bigmikesbeingnice ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:40:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father used to work at one of Trump's casino's back in the late 80's and he said he met Trump once and they would also exchange pleasantries in passing. My father has always spoken highly of Trump and his time spent working for him.
Full disclosure: My father is also a pathological liar and a buffoon.
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superheroninja ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:13:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did not vote for Big T, but this was actually one of my favorite posts I've seen on reddit.
Thanks for everyone's contribution.
Despite having been given a nice chunk to start his business(es) at a young age, he's done very well with himself. People just focus on the BANKRUPTCIES, without really understanding what it all means in the grand scheme of everything he's actually accomplished. I also love how EVERYONE couldn't stop talking about his write-offs....talk about calling the kettle black. I reckon a majority of those who talked ill of his financial prowess probably fib on their own taxes.
He's very good at business, so let's see what happens...I just hope he can get some amazing council on environmental issues so we can push the envelope farther. He will soon realize how much money can be made on these new eco-techs...
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't just given a nice chunk,he was bailed out over and over by his dad and had debts cancelled on promise of future business and selectively avoided paying contractors or ended up paying them a fraction of what was agreed upon. Look at where he put his casinos in relation to each other to see how carefully he considers his investments. My impression is he indulged his fantasies about what is prestigious and pursued that with many bailouts until his straight real estate stuff ( how his dad and family actually got the money in the first place) was big enough to pay off. buffett and others in the know say it's near impossible to blow that much money with half careful and diversified investment
superheroninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having made mistakes before in my own life, I can't really judge someone else's...he doesn't strike me as a treacherous person though. Maybe, just maybe, some of the contractors etc. weren't doing good work or overpromised/underperformed...we all know that's never happened before though.
From all of these interactions that people portray on this post, it's not hard to see that he's not the stripe of evil that is portrayed on TV. Sure, they could be fabricated, but that doesn't even make sense as a strategy.
All of that finance history is heresay since I (or you) don't REALLY know the whole story, just a version of it from someone else's mouth...jealous people tell very skewed stories.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:23 on November 27, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
something for context, Tony Schwartz who wrote Art of the Deal for/with Donald says he is likely the last person to spend a great deal of time in Donalds company without a non-disclosure agreement and that he has many contacts who want to speak out about Donald's narcissism and how brutal some of his scamming is but cannot do so without risking financial ruin.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:48:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Compare the number of redditors who are likely to have met Donald Trump with the number of redditors who are pissed about the election and want karma. Which one is bigger. This is not that hard buddy.
Random-Miser ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:18:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has visited my aunts Ranch on numerous occasions while I was there. Pretty ok guy, was able to not get completely destroyed by me in a game of chess which is actually pretty rare. His son though...my god what an obnoxious asshole... the kind of guy that snorts coke off of strippers asses.
MaddenMan73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with that?
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lubblylady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing wrong with snorting coke off strippers asses.
Donald Trump bullying others is a serious problem though
sracer4095 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which son? That description fits both Eric and Donald Jr.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eric maybe but no way Jr.
Nodeal_reddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:09 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barron. That little cunt knows how to party.
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Everything I've ever heard about the Trump kids says that Ivanka is lovely, Donald Jr and Tiffany are alright, but Eric is the megadouche
Random-Miser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:53 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Eric was the one that was out there at the time. The kinda guy that thought it was funny to hurt animals.
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:52:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just found out to my astonishment that a friend of mine dated him ages ago (I assume long before he and Ivana were an item). Let's just say that her opinion of him as a person is not favorable, and she's very worried about how the country will be run.
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Gee, his ex-girlfriend has a low opinion of him. Yeah, I'm sure her views are unbiased. LOL!
MatttheBruinsfan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:51:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, ex someone he dated, I don't know that they got to the girlfriend/boyfriend stage because he was apparently an asshole with a monstrous ego even back then and she's not stupid. Also not a person who has bad things to say about many people, so I tend to trust her judgment.
FTR, I only have good things to say about any of my actual exes, so it's not as if breaking up with someone and thinking they're a good person are mutually exclusive.
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ChigChiggimuh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:22:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost like he's a human being or something... Nah
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My uncle's wife is huge in Florida real estate and she has had dinner with him several times and been to some events with him. To hear her speak of him, he is a lovely person, she says he is very polite and friendly especially to the average people working for him.
Cowboywizzard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:32 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he grab her by the pussy?
deemtee99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That all depends if she is attractive, no?
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Well, she does smile awfully wide when she talks about him...
insanity775 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:33:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not me personally, but my friend's dad went to high school. My friend says his dad thought Trump was an entitled rich kid back then.
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"Thought"
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Inspirationaly ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:05:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You met him on a golf cart?
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Inspirationaly ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read, it just doesn't make since. So after meeting him, he got on his golf cart and right there where you met him, there was a security guard and he ran over the guards foot? I mean meeting someone is usually a stationary thing, while driving a golf cart and running over someone's foot requires movement. Maybe you met him, said nothing about your meeting him, the later saw him run over a guards foot? Possibly you were on the golf cart meeting him. You either did a poor job of telling your story, or you're doing a poor job of making one up.
WowCanITouchThem ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:52:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine growing up was the son of a woman who worked closely with trump for a long time. Without going into details for the sake of my friend's privacy, his mom said trump was a jackass and was very much opposed to his candidacy. This isn't coming from an underling of trump's she was fairly important, so it's not like she was just an intern or something.
I wish I could be more specific, but I can't.
RakdosUnleashed ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 18:34:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met Donald Trump back in college when they filmed an episode of The Apprentice at one of our football games. I remember him trying to hit on the cheerleaders and decided that he's a creepy misogynist pig.
My view on that has not changed.
andreagassi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:16:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Nice cheering ladies" eww what a pig
RakdosUnleashed ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna guess you're not a woman.
mephistophelessoul ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:28:14 on November 26, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am, and that doesn't sound that creepy- unless accompanied by come hither motions and salacious licking of the lips.
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Holy shit I came here to post this very story ... PMing you.
Crevis05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this going to end up just like the movies? Are you two going to fall in love?
fryzoid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's doubtful; but, at the very least we have already confirmed that we are both from the same group that participated in the taping. Prying for more info now!
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We probably know each other, or at the very least each others faces, still in PMs.
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My friend was asked to hangout with him. She basically said he didnt acknowledge her existence and treated her like a piece of meat. My friends a Stanford business Grad too.
MaddenMan73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:04 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But is she fat and ugly? /s
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Na shes super beautiful. I saw the /s I know
WombRaider8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:14:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at one of Mr. Trumps golf course and left right around when the election season was starting. He seemed nice to me always. He's a busy man under a lot of stress. Just because he didn't take the time to talk and mingle with every employee didn't make him an asshole like some employees claimed. He made sure all, and I mean all, of his employees were taken care of and treated with respect. I can confidently say I never saw any racist, sexist, douchenozzle, behavior while working for Mr. Trump. The persona he displayed during the election campaign was an act and a gamble and in the end it worked. I can assure you that will not be the Donald Trump that you will see in office.
ThaChicken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:17:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I interned at one of the major news media broadcasters in D.C last summer and got to watch a live taping of an interview with Donald Trump. The interview was taken place in his home in Beverly Hills so I was watching a live feed from D.C in the control booth.
Before the interview started he talked with the reporter for a couple minutes and seemed like a very nice guy. He talked about his house and how he's only there for like 1 week out of the year but said it was a good investment. The inside was all gold and white as you would expect. His personality and character was very different from when the cameras started rolling. As soon as the interview started he kinda put on his signature mean look and played the persona we saw on the debates.
Overall he seemed like a very likable guy and was able to share some laughs with the reporter.
strangero00o ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:40:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I havent met him. Although Id almost guarantee that hes the person hes shown himself as. I think the reason hes seen in such a negative light is because people take the things he says and blows it out of proportion or takes it out of context
bobbypellitt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:51:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tl;dr Trumps a decent person.
Joeytk78 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have not, but a friend of mine who lives in Florida owns a furniture company. When Donald Trump was building a hotel there and he bought furniture from my friends company. He didn't pay his bill right away and my friend had to contact him multiple times. The bill was unpayed until about a year after the hotel was furnished.
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jmerlinb ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:23:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friend of your partners mother... that quite far-removed
PeopleEatingPeople ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friend of your mother in law is not that bad at all.
jmerlinb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what my friend said.
StrangeConstants ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:23:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So fourth hand information?
Heemoglobin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he was there? Even though he sent the cops, who were working for him? But she easily won, but couldn't prove it was her place before getting forcibly evicted?
FuzzyMeep7 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:05:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really Respectful, Firm handshake
FuzzyMeep7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off with the downvotes, would you rather me lie and say he grabbed me by the pussy
GnarlyBellyButton87 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're salty about downvotes, how do you even live your day-to-day life?
Lasifer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:10:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how all the replies that don't paint Trump in a good light are removed.
valis02374 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:10 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or posts like "Never met him but I heard he's a rapist"
baked_like_potatoes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:37:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I attended the Everglades Foundation banquet/dinner/benefit (summer of 2005) at the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach (one of Trump's properties) and met Donald personally. Jimmy Buffett was there, the coach of the Miami Heat (Pat Riley) was in attendance, and John Mellencamp performed a private show.
How did I wind up in such a situation? I was working at a marina in Coconut Grove, FL for the summer and my co-worker/friend asked me, while getting high inside the ice cooler to avoid the mid-day sun, if I wanted to attend a party at "Donald Trump's house in palm beach". My first reaction was how my dock rat friend managed to get invited to an exclusive A-List event in PB. He explained that his best friend growing up was the son of a former U.S Senator (Virginia if i recall correctly) and was friendly with various political figures who would be attending the event - there were extra invitations given to the Senator to invite guests. Somehow two stoned dock rats received them in the end. We arrived at the party wearing our best khaki pants and polo shirts (we were mostly broke at the time and couldn't afford dress clothing) and were mean mugged the entire time by various corporate looking wealthy people. At one point we were mistaken as server's out of uniform. After a rather decadent dinner, two hours of open top shelf bar, and the John Mellencamp performance ( wealthy white people really love Mellencamp, and like to dance to "small town") - my friend and I drunkenly stumbled over to the Senator and my friend's child hood friend who were standing, appropriately dressed, in the lounge area. We struck up a conversation and were laughing about a fishing story when Donald strolled up to shake the senator's hand and exchange pleasantries. Since we were standing there smirking like idiots, Donald turned his attention to us. As we were extremely under dressed and likely wreaked of alcohol, he gave both of us the condescending once over and then, looking extremely disappointed, said "are you boys having a good time?". Instinctively I said "yes sir, it's a privilege to be here", and extended my hand as a gesture of respect, but then realized what I was doing. Donald looked down at my hand with dissatisfaction (all these years later, I believe he may have been jealous of the size of my hand compared to his), didn't shake my hand, and then looked awkwardly at me again. At this point I realized that one of the hand towels (they have really really nice throw away hand towels in the bathroom at the Mar-a-Lago Club so i grabbed as many as I could fit in my pocket without looking to ridiculous) I had grabbed for a souvenir was just edging out of my pocket. Donald gave me a "hmmff", turned to the Senator, shook his hand, and excused himself. I do recall vividly that Donald Trump smelled mildly of lunch meat. The Senator turned to me, and started laughing.
TL:DR - got invited to Trump's house in Palm Beach, FL while stoned, listened to a John Mellencamp performance, got drunk, stole towels from Trump's bathroom, and got balked at by our new president.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:59:34 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a class act
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad makes golf courses for him. They're good friends. DT came to my wedding that was held at Trump National Golf Course in Bedminster NJ, which Used to be my childhood home until DT bought it in 2002 and made it into his golf club.
_Ross- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any pics of him at the wedding? Sounds awesome!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do, but I'll have to photoshop my wife and my faces out since we don't want them shown. Since I run restaurants, it might be a while before I can find time to do this
My dad wrote a book about working with Donald over the last 15 years. It's called Donald Trump: an environmental hero
It's not satire apparently
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tommyboy0208 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:37 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Cuban?
tetramitus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hat just sounds like a shitty person. If I had to pay or entice a women with money like that it would make me uncomfortable.
turtlecrossing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:23:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it interesting how transactional and brief the majority of the most upvoted posts are.
I'd love to hear from someone who spoke to him for more that 2 minutes
ThatsRightWeBad ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:40:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are but simple redditors.
NYLaw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:50:18 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My law school legal practice professor told me he was the exact same in person as on the campaign trail. He had her on his yacht, and kept saying stuff like "isn't this the best yacht?"
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I'll preface this by saying that I find Trump's statements and positions during this election to be frightening and reprehensible, but:
I run a business in Brooklyn and had hired a contractor to "mud" a huge wall for us (finish a wall by applying plaster over the sheet-rock -- delicate work when done right). This was a few years ago when Trump wasn't especially in the news. The contractor, an older black gentleman, several times over the course of these few days, would spontaneously tell stories about doing the same kind of work on Trump Tower in NYC, and how it was some of the finest work he had ever been involved in. He and his crew were paid well, treated kindly, and Donald himself would inspect the work to see that it was done to the highest standard. [We're talking successively finer grits of sandpaper, kind of thing.] By all accounts his interactions with Trump were positive and the work he did there the highlight of his long career. This guy, whose judgment I trusted, was utterly effusive in his praise of the Donald and his business practices and attention to detail.
In any case, again, I find some of the things Trump has said extremely frightening. "Decent guy" or not, his rhetoric and choice of cohort cause me to be afraid for my well-being and the well-being of my loved ones.
KIDWHOSBORED ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:10:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typical not me, but...
My step-dad worked for a large firm in New York and had a meeting with Trump about his future casinos. All he really related was, at the end he just thought Trump was a total asshat.
whatsup4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A long time ago when I was a child I was walking around NYC and walked into his hotel. I was walking around inside and a little lost so I asked a stranger where the lobby was. Wouldn't you know it was the Donald and he told me "down the hall and to the left". He was alright in my book but he kept staring at me as I walked away which I thought was weird.
bizzyqu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you did there
IncestOnly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:35 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Home alone reference?
bizzyqu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:24 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mhm
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:40:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Percentage of these stories are bullshit? Over under 60.5.
KingKnotts ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:20:51 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably very few actually are bullshit. He is his brand and goes to a lot of events and stuff. The majority of the comments are very brief encounters which is to be expected when it comes to a guy as social as Trump is.
lildominatrix ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:46:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Political commentator Keith Olbermann actually lives in the same building as Trump and has bumped into him in the past. He says that when he has, Trump is always polite, the conversation is always about the other person, etc. Nevertheless, Trump is still the VonFuckFace who appointed a racist Steve Bannon Chief Strategist.
DakinisJoy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:01:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is Bannon a racist ?
lildominatrix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:44:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a serious question?
Keerected_Recordz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:59:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So not a racist?
pentakill_pupper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother visited Trump Tower in New York right after it was completed. According to her, Trump himself was in the lobby, selling one of his books. She didn't realize it was him, and didn't buy the book.
smartyoungman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it counts but my Grandpa was from new Jersey and claimed he could walk up to Donald Trump on the street and loan $20 from him. He said a lot of crazy things though so who knows.
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IrateMollusk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:51:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's footage of him speaking to congress? Some government body, discussing specifics of construction as it pertained to a government project to give them advice on how it was mishandled. Very well spoken and level headed. He hasn't changed any, he just applied the principles he describes in the art of the deal to run an effective presidential campaign. So toss in some reality TV showmanship, more extreme positions than he actually wants (everyones just kinda accepted the wall because he overshot so hard on that front that everyone is just talking about who will foot the bill for example), and media that has a vested interest in making sure he loses, and its no wonder a lot of people are confused.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:23 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
15 years ago he testified to Congress about how the United Nations was completely wasting money and how they rebuilt their headquarters and he would do it for free if they would let him.
IrateMollusk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the one!
blazinarno ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at the Trump International Golf Course in NJ when I was 13 (23 now). I was out randomly filiming bee's surronding a bee hive on the 18th hole. After watching the apprentice for all those years, I heard a man say "Ay! Don't film the bees, we are going to take care of it soon!" So i turned around, and there was Donald, wearing a light pink quarter zip. He sure was a gentle giant.
notnotCaecilius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:51 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My boss said he walked right past him in the clubhouse at one of his golf courses like ten years ago. He sat alone, destroying a huge pile of shrimp.
bequietanddrivefar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been to his estate, Mar-a-Lago, for dinner. He was very friendly. I remember thinking his hair didn't look as weird in person. I was a teenager at the time so I don't remember much else. I always liked him after meeting him until I saw him in the debates and rambling on about the polls.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He came and spoke at my university in 2012. I can't remember if he was campaigning or what not at the time but all that I remember is that he had a volunteer from the audience come and tuh on his hair to prove that it wasn't a toupee. Overall pretty generic and forgettable which is something that I can't say about his campaign.
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Schmills ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom and I are both in real estate. We had 2 tickets to attended his Trump University seminar. It was basically hundreds of people waiting for him to tell them how to buy commercial real estate. He ended spotting my mom (She was fan girling hard for him and jumping up and down waving her arms) He said "You're beautiful!..You look Filipino?! Are you? (she is) I LOOOOOOVE Filipino women! So sexy!" The crowd had a good laugh and my mom blushed.
This was maybe 2007/8/? Near San Francisco.
And yes his University was a complete scam.
Msandova28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is such a strange thread to read. It conflicts so much with how he's acted. But the thing that does seem to tie him together is that he cares what people think about him and his brand too much, in some cases it seems to like an almost "adorable" (I couldn't think of a better word) degree. Like an insecure old man
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Probably political comments or "didn't meet him but..."
Flipmobile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently he doesn't drink alcohol. Maybe he just slurps fancy fruity sugary mixtures.
KIM_JONG_1Ls_DONKEY ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:38:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His brother died from alcoholism
SteveAM1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:23:13 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't meet him, but I have a friend who had an encounter with him. When he was building some homes near the Trump National golf course in California, he was looking for contractors to do various parts of the development. He called a friend and asked him to provide the materials at cost and the labor for free.
My friend asked why exactly he would do that. Trump said that he'd be able to to tell people he worked on a Donald Trump property. My friend declined.
caryb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Were this question not marked with [Serious], I'd have said that he told me where the lobby in a hotel was once.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:15 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So i read quite some things which were posted here and i really want to believe it, but the thing is that in these days it might be that Trumps PR team just hired a team to make him look good in the social media and this whole thread is a lie. I like to believe that it isn't and move from there, but deep down inside i will never rely on information from this thread because i cannot be entirely sure.
CherryCokeNixon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:38 on December 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best way to investigate that is check comment history from people. That's a quick way to see if somebody is a recent sockpuppet or a real user.
AzumaMagica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:22 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can appreciate a lot of the content that this thread is generating, but I find it hard to really place value or weight to any given experience without actually having the context of who you are.
Without knowing that much, it's hard to discern whether or not it was a matter of nepotism/patronage/image management or an actual, genuine reflection of his character.
I'm willing to hear out people who want to convince me of his grace, but it's hard to not roll my eyes when I hear about how nice a man he is when they were using his golf course or spending a ton of money in his casino.
nick012000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:08:59 on December 13, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. The dude was the CEO of his businesses; if he wanted to delegate the customer service to his employees, he could have easily done so, and if he goes above and beyond to ensure his customers are happy, that does say things about his business values, if nothing else - there's plenty of large companies that don't seem to give a damn about how their customers feel about them.
AzumaMagica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on December 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's kind of the thing, isn't it? It can't be taken in any other sense than dealing with customers/patrons for the sake of image management.
Right now, he's not in a position to outsource his image. The question we should be askingโsince he is so 'business-minded'โis who really are the customers in this new situation?
nick012000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:10 on December 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or "provide quality services to customers so that they're happy with your service and will return to give you more money", I guess.
The American people, of course.
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personalaccount2016 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:35 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any negative response here, holy cow
Redditgeekme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:28:12 on March 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've posted this before.. Donald Trump came into the movie theater I used to work at, and I served him at the concession stand. He asked about the flavors of our Slushies, they were White Cherry and Cotton Candy. He got the Cotton Candy. Donald Trump enjoys cotton candy...and I literally know that for a fact forever now. He also paid in exact change.
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StrangeConstants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So fourth hand information.
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 18:51:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are usually joking when they use the term misogynistic pig
Psyanide13 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:30:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really.
I've never heard someone called it without it being common knowledge.
dogcatsnake ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:25:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You keep thinking that...
Thedickmeister69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh.... Do you really believe that?
God damn reddit is young and ignorant.
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WilliamWaters ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 20:05:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So far this is the only story that shows Trump being a dick so I'm going to chose not to believe you
LeodFitz ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:09:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It all depends on how you order the posts. If you go with the most upvoted ones, they're all 'he was fine, tipped well, thanked the staff' if you go with the controversial ones, you get some different takes. Not all negative, but not all positive, either.
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LeodFitz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had not looked into that. I also have no idea what it indicates.
a3wagner ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:36 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the one thing we can for sure conclude about this story is that the performer has poor judgement, one way or the other.
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jafomatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:53 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the party, but sort by "controversial" and you'll see what you're looking for.
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eqleriq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:34:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Penn Gilette had a good video detailing his interactions with Trump on the Apprentice, and how he didn't win because he wouldn't support the candidacy.
bjornkeizers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Penn has a great weekly podcast these days, for people who don't know. Penn's Sunday School. And yeah, he's not a fan of Trump and actually supported Gary Johnson. He's a tad nutty, but I enjoy that in my podcasters.
Veatchdave ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:05:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God I hope this doesn't get buried because I have a very relevant comment. I work as a restoration technician. Basically when natural disasters happen my company goes in and cleans up the aftermath. During the recent flooding in Louisiana I was working at Denham Springs High. we got word that someone important was coming that day to tour the damage. We had to set up a huge scene for him to come in and stand for no more than a hundred and twenty seconds take some pictures talk to the radio and TV. He showed up in at least a 10 car motorcade. Helicopters and local police. Security, secret service, guns, body armor, full regalia. The irony of the situation is that I was running a crew of over 200 illegal immigrant Mexican workers that drove from Texas every morning to work at this job to clean up everything. I took a short video of him leaving I'll try to find it on my cloud and Source it but basically he showed up for a minute-and-a-half got back in his motorcade and left it was the biggest show that I've ever seen for good publicity. Also to clarify when I say we set up the scene, I mean we took him to the dirtiest, nastiest, most flood and mold ridden parts of the school. Laid out carpets and had him walk in about 10 feet... I hate politics. It was my first encounter with this and I was NOT impressed.
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racerx21 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:28:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When exactly does he hang out with white supremacists?
neonrabbit1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:15:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When he's with that Bannon fellow.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:56:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you shitting me? He appointed one.
racerx21 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:03:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have I ever shitted you?
Please show me any credible proof that whomever this person is, is a white supremacist?
I'm just asking for proof. If you're going to label and accuse someone, please show me factual evidence, not rumors or something from the media.
All I hear is accusations and finger pointing. Every time someone references any of these rumors I ask for proof, and so far I have received nothing in return.
I think that's a fair question.
grassvoter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:55:30 on November 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here ya go.
That guy caters to white supremacists though he might not be one. We'll see.
racerx21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:39 on November 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ewwwww.... that's not good.
I am in no way endorsing what he is saying, but remember, Obama had the leader of BLM at the White House several times as well as many radical black leaders. So.... there's that.
grassvoter ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:10:22 on November 29, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smoke and mirrors make something appear equal to another until we see through the trick.
Think how "superior" oppressed people must feel as they're...
If that produces a superiority complex I'd hate to see what would produce an inferiority complex.
Remember, oppressed people already start life at the same baseline rate of deep personal insecurities, questioning self worth, etc, as every human being on Earth. Think how much the rate is worsened by the effects of oppression and racism.
So I think it's perfectly fine if Obama met with Black Lives Matter. Their aim isn't supremacy, it's equalization of status (by spreading awareness and offering support until the goal is attained).
For an eye-opener, watch 13th on Netflix.
About how oppressors abused an opening in the 13th Amendment immediately after slaves were "freed". Our system of profit-prisons are descended from that.
And how many white people don't realize how turning a blind eye to the problem ended up fucking them as well.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:30:50 on December 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who? If working at breitbart makes you a white supremacist there are a bunch of Jewish and gay white supremacists out there.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 00:21:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see a lot of good, personal experiences with Trump. Based on all the "removed" posts, a lot of salt is going on.
Fiery1Phoenix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:00:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Hopelesseel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:01:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took a photojournalism class at my uni last semester and my professor has met him along with a few hundred other famous people. He took a photograph of him for the cover of a Canadian magazine for an article on times square and Trump Tower. I think it was Maclean's. He said hed only do the photoshoot if he got to be on the cover, took a limo to the photo, stood for about a minute, complained, and then left in the same limo. Prof sortof implied he was a jackass during the whole thing.
cbessemer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:40:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather owned a building supply business in the NYC area, and had many contracts with big contractors that built skyscrapers. He had a meeting with Donald in the late 80s (iirc), he told me he was a bully and an asshole, and my grandpa says he told him "to find someone else to do business with".
I'm assuming it's true, and it definitely seems accurate.
Username_not_found12 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:48:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My buddy caddied for Trump at a Pro-AM golf tournament. He was tipped only $100
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kcpoopoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:23:38 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my teachers from high school posted on fb about how he went to school with Donald Trump in NY. He said he ran for class president and went around offering to pay people to vote for him.
I think he won that too lol
live22morrow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:46:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandparent's first cousin is a highly successful businessman. He says he's known Trump since high school and has a familial relationship through an in-law. When I asked him, he seemed to have a very negative opinion, apparently regarding him as very dishonest.
Chew_Chew_Train ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 09:41:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While this is a very interesting thread, remember to set to controversial to get a complete picture.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:24:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To sum it up for everybody: Trump is a pleasant man that does a lot of good while at the same time making some unpopular decisions which only reinforces him as a human being. Also pays in exact change.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 03:35:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sort the thread by controversial.
Trumpettes are just upvoting the stories they want to hear.
AllDaveAllDay ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 05:14:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did this and as someone who's not close to being a Trump supporter, I feel the good stories are a lot more believable than the bad.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:15:14 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is "I saw him buy a hispanic worker a house" more believable than "I served him at a restaurant, he was an asshole and tipped very poorly"? Come on now.
AllDaveAllDay ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:26:57 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying every positive story is more believable than every negative one (and I'm sure at least some of the positive ones are fake and some of the negative ones are true), but there seems to be a lot more detail in the positive ones.
I could be way off base but it's the impression I got reading through the thread.
memphoyles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:49:49 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is "his security guard grabbed me by the shirt and he said 'i can do whatever I wan't" more believeable than a cartoon animation?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:23:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you just want to believe them.
boondockspank ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:46:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same could be said of the Trump haters and the negative stories.
memphoyles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:48:06 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but if you have a minimum amount of cells in your brain you'd know those stories are extremely unbelievable and the way those people tell it it's way politicized and full of hatred.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is just damage control and nonsense.
ElmoKills22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:10:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, couldn't get through all of them but what the fuck is up with that exact change thing? People kept mentioning it but I haven't heard it said about him before.
nonationarmy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:03:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The exact change thing is really prominent and weird.
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๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:32:10 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the anecdotes. These are what I'm fishing for. It's not hard to find interviews or books.
Jeembo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:58:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to get some drinks at Trump National in SoCal about 7 years ago and saw him there. He started yelling at someone in the middle of the bar/restaurant area for painting a bridge the wrong color on the golf course.
His gorgeous Ferrari was parked right outside the front door with 4 people guarding it. I wanted to hear it take off so I went outside when he left. He never got above like 10 mph.
I've hated him ever since.
zippyz11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:11:31 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This didn't happen to me but a good friend of mine. My friend worked as a cook at a Trump hotel. On this particular day there was a protest against Trump outside the hotel (completely unrelated to his campaign; this took place several years earlier.) My friend and some of his co-workers were ordered either by Trump, or someone else at the top to go and break the protest. They did what they were told (successfully to the best of my knowledge.) My friend was laid off a week later. The few times he actually met Trump in person he said he was a "pretty nice guy."
pm_me_ur_dinonuggets ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:22:40 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at his new hotel in DC and one of the staff at the restaurant told me that he likes his steaks cooked past well-done. The man is obviously not fit to lead.
Jorymwoods ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father sat down next to him at one of his golf course clubs for breakfast. They talked one on one during the breakfast about various things mostly about what my father does. My father being a meteorologist, Trump asked him about and I'm not joking... "Hair spray". he wanted to know about CFCs and the ozone layer. My father described the situation to him but then he asked about Global warming /climate change. My father was hesitant due to the fact these are two sperate issues, but then Trump filled in the question saying something along the lines of "I don't believe it, It's not real" my father was about to refute but Trump had already moved on. My father overall says he's an interesting man, but most of the people that work for him my father felt there was something strange. People would always ask "is this okay" or like "am I doing this right" and trump would like wave his head or nod.
GetTheGoose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:42:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the party however I worked at one of his golf and Country clubs for the past three summers. He would come in for surprise visits to check on the club and play golf. Gave me $20 because I handed him a Diet Coke, however I always found it weird that he would only drink Diet Coke out of the small glass bottles. Probably because of his small hands. All in all he's a man who is very particular about what he wants and if it's not that way you're in for a bad day. Feel free to ask me more questions I've got plenty of stories.
rhaizee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's 6'3, how small can his hands be.
Serberus190 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has Trump ever done anything sketchy that you have seen? I do love all the positive stories but he is human after all.
Amandaisapanda_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:18:06 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are all of the negative stories being deleted? ... interesting
queenfool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:57:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to point out that he played a role in destroying Atlantic City (yes, it was gonna fall apart anyway, but he did NOT help) by not paying local contractors for the work done on his casinos.
My parents met working in a Trump casino. Both said he didn't really give a shit about employees.
cursedcassandra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:35:48 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump filed Check 11 so he could restructure rather than close the casinos which would have meant all his employees would have lost their jobs. Which contractors were paid and how much was decided by the banks not Trump. BTW his recovery is in the Guineas Book of World Records. He may be the only man alive to take on the big banks and WON. The man is a legend.
goaliebloak ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:44:02 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I've got an actual story. My dad and his best friend (who we'll call B) once had a business meeting with Donald Trump. They got into the meeting because Donald knew B's brother. So the meeting had started, and about 5 minutes in, Donald asks B how his sister-in-law is. B says she's doing fine. Then Trump leans forward and asks, "But she's being a good girl?" B, a little flustered, says, "I suppose so." Trump, not letting up, goes, "You're making sure she's being a good girl." B says, "I guess." Trump says, "Good, she should be behaving like a good girl." Basically, the entire meeting, Trump kept asking about the sister-in-law, and both my dad and B left feeling very creeped out.
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SnapeProbDiedAVirgin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Respect srs tag
LittleOtterPaws ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:59 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Respect these nuts, I'm telling the truth!
Yamayamauchiman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:49 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that the same year the clubhouse caught on fire?
PlatinumGoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:15 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which son?
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Dr_Romm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea it's a common copypasta.
rs16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Met him at a political conference two years ago, before anyone took him seriously as a presidential candidate. He was very stiff and cold. Trump was nervously going over notes for a speech he was about to give. He was the opposite of his gregarious public persona.
Xioo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:07:07 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to his New Years Party in Mar-a-lago in Florida. (Friends parents are members) Chatted with him for a few minutes. He was very nice and went out of his way to make sure I had everything I needed. Made me really appreciate who he is as a person.
His stage/media presence is 180ยฐ. Still very nice, but he puts on a show to get everyone excited. In private he was quiet and kind.
Funkyapplesauce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:37:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who worked with him will probably have signed some sort of NDA, so good luck OP
TwirlieWhirlie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:37 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. Myself included!
Dishonoreduser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:20:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are all of the negative experiences being downvoted??
matt997 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:40 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To find the negative ones you have to sort for controverse. Someone does a pretty good job here getting everything negative about trump away.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:20:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were a lot of stories from a friend or a relative that were not personal experiences, so the mods appear to have deleted those ones...also there were TONS of Home Alone jokes.
Quaker1771 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad did work for him in the 80s and early 90s on some very famous sports events. He was warned to get as much of his fee as he could up front. The first time Trump bilked him out of $1000, the second time $2500. I suppose that was his unintentional response to my dad's father (a New York State accountant) testifying against Fred Trump in court
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Goasupreme ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:25:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People really need to do their own research, there's so much shady and outright false things said by both sides
Twin2Win ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:18:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be careful about what you read here. I've seen a few very made up stories.
aliensporebomb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the story I have. I once saw him standing near 1060 West Addison (Cubs Stadium) in Chicago wearing a Batman costume to appear incognito but he stuck out like a sore thumb with that get-up.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 03:45:09 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I wouldn't bother considering anything from this thread; the ones that actually would sway people one way or another are either like "Trump gave me a million dollars" or "I saw Trump murder minority babies" despite the serious tag. Then of course there are the ones like "Donald Trump eats cotton candy" and "Donald Trump can interact with people at a wedding". Wow, the guy is an actual human being, who knew?
cursedcassandra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:45 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paris Hilton grew up with Tiffany and so knew Trump from a young age. Despite the risk Paris said Trump was a very kind man and later she said she voted for him. Trump seems nice to people in general and very generous with his employees but a total shark in business.
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I agree 1000%.
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far-right-anime-fan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:56:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i see a lot of dickbag anecdotes, but no racism. And the majority of all male presidents have been misogynists. I will be very surprised if a justin trudeau is ever elected in America
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quincess ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:18:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I had an update appointment with my doctor on tuesday. My depression and anxiety has been worse since the election and she said she has had an increase in election related problems recently. One of her patients even told her that if he saw someone drowning in a swamp he would ask who they voted for before saving them...
Anyway, we were discussing the possible implications of having someone in the highest public service position in the country, who has never been in public service before. Maybe it will be alright, maybe not. She mentioned her best friend and her husband once went to a fancy dinner Donald Trump was at, years ago. Donald introduced himself and asked the husband how a chinegro (slur for dark skinned person from Chile ) landed himself a nice English girl. She said they left.
a3wagner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:47:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure your doctor won't get in trouble for telling you (and probably other clients) that...
quincess ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 00:36:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No names, no other identifying info. No problem.
deathsheep ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:08:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as long as you don't give up any information about who the client is you should be fine.
pswilco ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:18:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at MSG for a wrestling event in the late 80s. Trump was walking toward me with a security guard about 3 ft in front. As he approached me the guard grabbed me by the shirt and forced me up against the wall. I was posing no threat and it was basically assault. Donald looked at me and smiled with a look that said ' I can do whatever I want'. I was scared then and I am more scared now.
PingedSpinxz ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:40:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet
EpsilonMaleSJWcuck ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:11:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only difference between capitalists and gangsters is scale.
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Thedickmeister69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:12 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dude, it's a 7 year long con. He's been here since the beginning just for this post.
Dumbass
sh1ftyswar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my mom met him at his casino. apparently he caressed the side of her face and said "how ya doin sweetheart" too funny
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I threw a bouncy ball at his car while he was in it
Not even joking
gstrand99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:07:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had an uncle who met him at Trump national Golf course. He walked up to him and said " it's such a honor to meet you Mr. Trump." Trump responded with, "I know."
mmdeerblood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About ten years ago my mom and I made our first trip to NYC. We thought it would be fun to go to a fancy restaurant with a prix fixe menu. We might've read it in my travel book or a magazine but we ended up choosing a Trump restaurant at the Trump Tower (or hotel, don't remember), that is near Columbus Circle. We dressed up really nice and went over for our reservation. The place was reallyyyy fancy, fancier than we expected, and full of business guys in suits having lunch. We were dressed nice too but did not expect this level of fancy. Everything we ate was tiny but plated beautifully and we thought it was such a hilarious situation we got ourselves into. As we walked to the restaurant earlier we joked about what the chances were of seeing the Trump man there. So as we're sitting and eating this ridiculous lunch we see from a distance a group of men getting up from their table to leave and holy shit the tallest guy out of them was Trump man himself. We could barely contain ourselves but kept it together. The men had to walk past our table to the exit and Trump stopped at our damn table and said "Hope you're enjoying your lunch ladies" and smiled. My mom squeaked out what sounded like "thank you" and he left. We burst out laughing after he left and this older couple next to us thought we were hilarious and asked us what he said. It was very bizarre and both my mom and I thought he looked a lot better in person and his hair looked really good in person too and not so ridiculous like it did on TV back then. Looking back I think the only reason he said hello to us was because we were women, the only pair of women dining there, the rest were all suits (male) and the much older couple next to us. My mom was then in her late 30s and is very beautiful and I was about 17. Looking back, I think the only reason he even said hello was because of how we looked.
thegrammerpoleese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was staying at the The Plaza Hotel in New York City a number of years ago around the holidays. I was lost and he pointed in the direction of the lobby. Nice guy. That was one heck of a vacation but I'll save that for another day.
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reirarei ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:56 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Side eyeing this story. We would never be able to keep gratuities like that. Accepting food and drink on an all night detail is one thing, cash is a strict no-no.
Mauser793 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm retarded and somehow left out half a sentence. He handed out $100 bills to the hotel staff.
I deleted that part to clear it up
LifeisaCatbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You deleted the whole thing...
Mauser793 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got a lot of "fuck you, you lying piece of shit" PMs
LifeisaCatbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:19 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. I see.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:11:29 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard similar anecdotes from a lot of USAF service members, past and present, who ever had the misfortune to have had to work with Hillary.
Edit: many of those anecdotes I had heard prior to her running. I think that's important to mention.
cwaf23 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:22:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard a lot of the same from a lot of service members, just completely horrible to work for.
gbimmer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've also heard a lot from people who worked for her around DC while Bill was president.
Bill was OK but Hillary is a psychotic bitch from what I've been told.
Same people speak highly of Obama and adore GW.
IRAn00b ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this is satire: good job.
If this is astroturfing: try harder.
Mauser793 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:14:09 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly, I don't give a shit whether or not you think it is true.
Just repeating what my cousin told me
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Patternsonpatterns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Top is "Met him briefly. We high fived. He seems ok."'
Controversial is "My company worked for him, he's an asshole."
I don't know what to believe
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stephgoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:10:02 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lake Elsinore is a dump - what was Ivanka doing there? Yuck
domestic_omnom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:40:41 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was skydiving. I talked to her in the jump shop there. She bought brand new everything for her first time skydiving.
wimaine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:05 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivanka, as in the daughter? Or do you mean her mother, Donald's ex, Ivana?
domestic_omnom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The daughter. She was skydiving at Lake Elsinore. I talked to her in the jump shop.
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Wrangler393 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the comments in summary. He's a pretty nice guy.
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IrateMollusk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:44 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it awful to think that the guy you dislike might be a human being with positive qualities who people have had positive interactions with?
imapotato99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:19 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did what, said what?
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Prince_Pika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:28:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Why were they playing with a Trump's girlfriend, a grown woman?
Edit: Also, if, as I can only guess, you meant Tiffany (who was 7 in 2000), she was raised in California by her mother after the split. She spent all her time in California, and didn't go to NYC often at all. Your story just seems fake.
ChevroletSparkSS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obnoxious. He also shoulder checked me out of his way, into a tree, which made me want to smack him with a wet phonebook.
cookinggun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:35 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 10 years ago I accompanied my mom to a (non-Trump-related) fundraiser at Mar-A-Lago, his club/home in Palm Beach. It was still hot, so we were trying to get to the bar and get some water. Donald must have seen us kind of struggling to make it past people, asked what we wanted, went behind the bar and handed us each a bottle of Trump water, with his picture on it. We said thanks, he said you're welcome. That's it.
Another time, my younger sister and her friends brought a bunch of people back from the bars (Palm Beach again). Eric trump, his girlfriend, and their driver were among the people who came. I could be mistaken, but in my memory he (Eric) was fairly tipsy. Eric spent the whole time in a corner outside talking on the phone, his driver wandered off, and his girlfriend sat on the sofa looking sad. Her and I chatted about film school and movies for a while, and they left a bit later. Now I'm not saying it was him, but Eric and Co. were the last people we didn't know to leave and my dad's bike was in the pool.
KingKnotts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:58 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw him in AC once as a kid at one of the casinos, I was with my parents one was playing slots and I was complaining about being thirsty and basically was told to wait until the comps were up when we were going to eat. A few minutes later someone brought me a drink and since neither of us asked for one my guess is it was him. So nice I guess?
cryptorific ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This will probably get buried but I met him when I was around 8 or 9 (circa 1993). We had a family friend who was very wealthy and had a social membership to Mar-a-lago. Although it was a residence at one point, Trump has operated it as a social club for a while. I heard buying a membership costs $100k at initiation and around $20k per year.
Anyways, this family friend invited us to join him at a charity event. Part of it was tennis match between Chris Evert (a successful female tennis player) and Donald Trump. I didn't care too much about the match itself, Evert won, but afterwards I got Chris Evert to sign a tennis ball and got Trump to sign a hundred dollar bill. Not sure why a hundred and not something tennis related but it seemed like an appropriate item. The tennis ball I still have, the hundred I spent on a SNES or something.
The only thing notable about my interaction with Trump was after he signed the bill he asked me if he could keep it. I, in an uncharacteristically smart-ass way, said "no, i think you have enough of them". He chuckled and i scampered off to play croquet with little rich palm beach kids, which was way more fun than anything else that day. The hamburgers were the bomb too.
thecokecanman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:24 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't really meet him but a few years ago me and my dad were staying at Trump International Doral Miami and we were about to go play 18 holes when the Donald lands his helicopter in the middle of the 1st fairway. He leaves with his entourage and we play golf. The next day when we are leaving the hotel and are waiting outside of the lobby entrance we see Donald wiz by us in a golf cart alone, his hair not being effected by the wind at all.
TheGodparticle3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have not, but my neighbor who is a bar-back did. My neighbor did not know who Trump was at the time because he does not give a fuck. He said Trump was being a dick acting like he owned the place. Not sure if he owns Radisson hotels or not...
VoyagerCSL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:22 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My aunt and her boyfriend used to be members of the Mar-a-Lago Club. As such, they knew and occasionally spent time with Trump.
When my grandmother turned 85 (this was about 8 years ago), they threw her a private birthday lunch at the club (literally just my family being waited on by Trump's staff). The bisque was amazing.
At the end of our lunch, Trump came in to say hello. He was wearing a track suit and he was very subdued; I'd almost say bored. His stopping by wasn't part of the lunch festivities ("and at the end, you'll meet The Donald!"), he just happened to be there and thought he'd poke his head in.
What struck me most about meeting him was that he seemed... short. Allegedly he's 6'3", but I'm a hair under 5'10" and I could have sworn that I was taller than he was.
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sunday_morning_truce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:43 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from West Palm Beach, FL and live about a mile and a half from his Mar-a-Lago estate. In the fall of my senior year of HS, around 2005 or 2006, the Women's Chamber of Commerce for WPB held their silent auction at his estate and he agreed to give a 30 minute speech in addition to hosting this. I was one of 10 students that was invited to this event by the Chamber of Commerce because of my involvement in an after-school business club. We spent the entire auction just wandering around looking at his house, and when the time came for his speech he personally came over to our table and introduced himself and thanked us for coming before taking the stage. His speech began by explaining his rise within the real estate industry and how successful he had become, and after 10 minutes of that he veered off into a discussion about Martha Stewart. NBC had just started airing a new Celebrity Apprentice around that time with Martha Stewart as host and Mr. Trump spent about 20 minutes telling everyone in this room how horrible she was as a host, how terrible her ratings were, and how her show was gonna get cancelled soon. I remember everyone in this room, about 60-70 ppl, laughing at these "jokes" as he told everyone how much better he was than her. I laughed along with it too at the time, and I remember an older person at our table telling us about Mr. Trump's "big personality".
rockgary52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump sure plays a lot of golf
Good-Writer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:06:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not as much as Obama.
ckeat22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to a girl's birthday party at a Trump golf course where I live. They had reserved the pool area for the party and only people attending the party were able to use it. I saw a helicopter land with the crest on it and thought nothing of it. About an hour later when I was swimming in the pool I came face to face with Donald and his son Baron. No words were said but he just smiled and kept swimming with his son.
Ricknow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:49:17 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to a rally last December, waited in line and got to shake his hand after he spoke, when my friends asked what it was like all I could think is that his hand was smaller than i expected. Then Rubio brought it up like a week later.
vaymat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im kind of disappointed with all the responses. I know it was just if you met him before hand but I expected someone to have dealt with him on the reg on some matter of importance. I mean these are all really shallow experiences.
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DXGypsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:28 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm sure Cuban had no personal agenda or bias behind his statements. Ironic thing is Cuban is also a thin skinned, impatient hot head with cold blooded, ruthless business practices. Everything he accuses Trump of.
Nidman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:43:37 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dads a lawyer; met him and Trump wouldn't shake his hand--apparently he's a germaphobe.
Also, some scantily-clad models left his office just prior to their visit.
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My dad saw him at a restaurant here in Miami (Joes Stone Crab) He didn't tip. Waiter says he's there all the time and has like VIP status.
sofiafromkorea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Story from my father: "In the 1990s, mom and I had to go to a lot of fundraisers for Axa/ equitable financial, which was my largest client. They were big supporters of the starlight foundation. One such fundraiser was held at the plaza hotel in one of the main ballrooms. As mom and I were entering the revolving door of the hotel, Donald Trump was coming out. He entered the same revolving door we were in. When he was directly across from mom and he saw her, he held the door so it wouldn't revolve and was staring at her. He wouldn't let it go so she could get out. He held it until he saw the look I gave him from behind her. He must have thought she was alone. I remember thinking what an asshole but mom and I laughed it off"
Mom is referring to my mom
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I'm do not want to accuse you of lying but what year was this? He has said on multiple occasions that he has never drank and his view was cemented when Donald's brother died of alcoholism.
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4x420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read that he told Matt Farah /u/thesmokingtire not to lean against the Trump Tower in NYC.
TheSmokingTire ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:01:14 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True story. "Could you not lean on my building?" is the exact quote. In fairness, I had been warned several times by Trump Tower door men that "Mr. Trump doesn't like people sitting in his lobby," "Mr. Trump doesn't like people sitting on his planters," and "Mr Trump doesn't like people leaning on his building." So you could say it was my fault. On the other hand, you could say that a narcissistic sociopath told a $10/hour delivery man just trying to get through the work day not to lean on his hundred million dollar building on Fifth Avenue, the most public possible place in Manhattan. For real, fuck that guy.
RichardMNixon42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:28 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been in Trump tower twice. There's a public restroom there. I pooped and then left.
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A lot of these users posting here have some strange accounts...
RaoulDuke1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Donald Trump always used exact change. And apparently owns every golf course in the world
coftsock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So all good stories, about different how the media sees D.Trump
deadly_inhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorted by new its not all good, something odd is happening in this thread.
NoThrowLikeAway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:56 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dudes in Macedonia must have negotiated a good price for each comment posted. I wonder if there's a solid heuristic to determine if an account is a sockpuppet as there's at least 10k people in this thread that have had some kind of meaningful interaction with Donald Trump. The dude's got a hyuge sphere of influence, but this just doesn't match the smell test at all.
In an AskReddit thread, one of the mods recently posted how sockpuppets are created - mainly by using bots to repost slightly old content, and using existing sockpuppets to repost the comments from the previous thread and upvote. The more times this cycle is run, the more accounts and the more karma. Once you have a few thousand, you can effectively control what gets displayed on the front page. Afterwards, the owners sell the network of accounts to the highest bidder - typically for spam, but it looks like it can be used to astroturf as well evidenced by this thread.
I'm sure Trump isn't the only one using this either - HRC's threads were pretty similar.
Enigmaticly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:59 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone link me to a bad experience someone has had in this thread?
PeopleEatingPeople ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:59:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sort by controversial. A lot of negative experiences were deleted as well.
zeta3232 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:13 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it was my stunning hot russian friend birthday and we decide to celebrate inside trumps tower in las vegas, i was surrounded by 4 other Eastern European chicks, trump was on the VIP section with a girl and he send us a really expensive champagne bottle and a cake.
Trump seems to have a thing for the whole russian\eastern Europe accent as her companion had a really hard russian accent.
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prizefyter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 4 years ago I attended a seminar with him as one of the guest speakers. He spoke about his media shows, his upbringing, daily routine, his business ethics, etc. He was quite fascinating to listen to. A few people I know got to meet him backstage. I've always admired him as a figure and respected him as a get-the-job-done kinda guy and business man. I care not what the media says about him, or what people think negatively otherwise. Does he do what needs to be be done? For the most part, yes.
Read his 'Art of the Deal', and 'Think Like a Champion'.
homophobic_cucumber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm closely related to someone who had a couple dinners with him, and also operated on his hair! The person said that he was a relatively nice man, however he seemed to ignore everyone who wasn't super important to him. Yeah.
etherspin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:10:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Careful now, denying that operation happened is part of Donald's refutation of the claim he raped his first wife after beating her and ripping out clumps of her hair. She never retracted the claim but characterised that beating and sex as being violated,how a person distinguishes that from rape is beyond me unless she is referencing the laws still around at least till the 80s that said a spouse can't technically rape their other half
ikhan93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:19:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real Donald Trump does not speak in metaphors, let alone un-mixed ones. The man who once famously pronounced "I know words, I have the best words" scorched through the primaries using the vocabulary of a signing gorilla ("China โ money โ bad!").
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Goasupreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:22 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really feel like he did it the right way, the media makes him out to be a demon.
People who to to see him speak for themselves are like, he's nothing like the media say.
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LDLover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this true? This is hilarious if so.
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DickSpasmByProxy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just stating, lots of people are really "surprised" about his nice behavior because they don't notice what's going on. He acted the way he did to secure his vote, as a lot of people in this country are really conservative, and lots may even be racist or sexist, or so on. By being that person during candidacy, he won. And since he won and secured his role as president (mostly), he can now unleash who he actually is and his true policies. I don't know if that makes sense, but it does to me. I would even consider it genius, if you will. Because right now, he's showing that he's a really democratic and very open/caring person, and that he's fit to be president. Just people get too out of the loop with the news, or take "media" sites too seriously, may not notice this. But he seems very nice.
tcatlicious ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:08:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump didn't just start acting like a jackass in public when he ran for office. He has been doing that for years. The Entertainment Tonight tape was years before he ran for office.
Donald was nominated and elected not because he said racist or sexist things but because he stuck it to the establishment. People are tired of the country being run by elitist, rich bankers, and lobbyist. He said he would change that. THAT is the reason people voted for him.
So far, he has purged all the lobbyist from his transition team, so he might actually stick to some of his promises he made.
grumpyhipster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:07 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope so.
DickSpasmByProxy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:29:57 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I meant was he removed all of his sexist and racist policies since being basically elected, and has completely turned around in that aspect.
Oneoneonder ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:25:46 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He put Breitbart in the White House. They're discussing a Muslim registry.
So no.
tcatlicious ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
great-nba-comment ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:14:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who needs sources when you have hyperbole?
DickSpasmByProxy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:45:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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cursedcassandra ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:38:03 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump supporters voted for him because we realized he is NOT racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic or bigoted. We loved his call that we return to MLKs vision that we treat each other as individuals. We loved the experience of being united by our love of America and the desire to make it better for everyone. This kind of unity encourages diversity and freedom.
Excalibursin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:30 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, he's nice when he has little to gain. I'm pretty sure what you do when it's most important is far more indicative of your character.
And obviously he hasn't had the chance to do much yet.
lincolnliberal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:48 on November 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Democratic"?! Are you kidding me?! No Democrat would hire Steve Bannon. Or Chris Kobach. Or Jeff Sessions. Or Myron Ebell. Or Michael Flynn.
No Democrat would touch Mike Pence with a ten foot pole, let alone put him a heartbeat from the presidency.
No Democrat would be open to Paul Ryan's plan to gut Medicare. No Democrat would consider putting William Pryor or Diane Sykes on the Supreme Court.
The list goes on.
Thinks_Too_Logically ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:54 on February 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP said "democratic" not "Democrat." I don't support Trump, but it's clear that OP wasn't talking about the Democratic party.
desertchoir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:20 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious if you still feel the same way today as you felt in November?
DickSpasmByProxy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:15 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm unhappy with a few things he's done. But I'm happy that there is at least someone out of the political loop that is in power, because that means if he grants it, it could create change. I'm kinda meh about him. I don't hate him. But I do find some of the things he's done illogical. I have major issues with illegal immigrants, but a wall isn't really something that will stop them from coming in. There are more methods than just "walking" into the country. He's just wasting cash on poorly thought out ideas.
desertchoir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:23 on February 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your reply.
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I went on an Apprentice themed cruise back in 2006ish and he was there at the dock before the send off. The cruise was really late for boarding so a lot of the people didn't seem to be too thrilled. He glad handed a few people in the line as he made his way to a small stage they had. They played "For the Love of Money" by the O'Jays over the loud speakers and he gave a short speech about his show or something. It was a little cheesy, probably because it was a Carnival Cruise, but it was what it was.
Irishguy317 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is going on in this thread? So many deletions.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps rules 5/8 of /r/AskReddit? Some that I have seen prior to their deletion seemed pretty innocuous but maybe they devolved into soapboxing or something? I'm not familiar with the moderation style but if something constitutes a breakdown in open-ended discussion then maybe? I can see a thread like this resulting in some abhorrent words being thrown around.
MyNameIsKir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The mods are deleting any stories that aren't first hand, because they do not match your prompt exactly.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:47 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, that makes sense. Lots of 3rd-party retellings. Wish we could put that at the top to simmer down some of the tin foil hats coming in.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:42 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister met him at a golf tournament at Pebble Beach when she was little. My mom has a picture of him lifting her up on his shoulders.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivanka seems normal, from the Johnson & Johnson heir's documentaries. I kind of assumed his personal was a ruse based on her (albeit somewhat distanced from reality due to her wealth) normalcy.
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at their photo shoots then see what you think . Remembering he has no shoots like this with his sons or Tiffany.. not even that overt with his wives actually
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Ew. The way you're describing it, I don't think I want to... aaaaand now I'm back to worrying.
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Briarmist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:16:20 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he suck a cock in your bathroom?
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when you say "tipped" you $10....you mean sucked cocks in your bathroom for $10?
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Connorb21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not what you're looking for, but my dad was invited to cook at a tailgate for him several weeks ago. I would have been able to meet him, but we were already doing our tailgate two hours away. I was ready to pack up and go, but being the old man he is, he wanted to stay.
Earguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only from a distance. Through friends of friends, I was 5th row for a major boxing match, where I spotted Melania (pre-marriage if memory serves) with a clipboard and walkie shepherding high rollers so they don't stray into other casinos. Afterward we were escorted right past the line to get into the club in one of the Trump properties where we were treated free drinks and a premium table.
In the club, there was a roped-off area with maybe three small tables and couches and chairs. Donald Trump and an entourage of guys in suits, escorted by obvious bodyguards, entered the roped off area. Little by little, beautiful women were allowed past the ropes. Paid models? High end call girls? Just the prettiest women in the club that night? I have no idea. The booze flowed and the VIPs sat like royalty. Trump was obviously the king holding court. Who knows where Melania was, and who knows how the evening ended for them.
For me, it ended up with me so hammered that I couldn't drive home.
Mochafrap512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:44 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was trump drinking? I always heard he doesn't drink (brother died of alcoholism)
Mochafrap512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:46 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was trump drinking? I always heard he doesn't drink (brother died of alcoholism)
Earguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:09 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I don't remember/didn't look for it.
Carzbarz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:27 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met him at work in 2014. He was surprisingly charming and nice, although he was being interviewed so perhaps he was just on his best behavior. I have a large visible tattoo on my arm that he complimented and then suggested he get a matching one. We took a photo together that my mom embarrassingly displays proudly.
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Ran into him at Wrestlemania VII in Los Angeles. I was 17 at the time. Said thank you for hosting Wrestlemania IV and V and he said thank you and that was it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:36 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just waiting for him to say "just kidding" on lot of things he have said
BassoonHokage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:42 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stone Cold Steve Austin talked to him...
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He shaved Vince McMahon once.
prplmze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:23 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Ample34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:39 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton was his opponent.
pistolchriswillie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are so many comments removed?
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:21:33 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were a lot of stories from a friend or a relative that were not personal experiences, so the mods appear to have deleted those ones...also there were TONS of Home Alone jokes.
AdmiralAkbar1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He once said that my mom was shit with her pitching wedge (not those exact words, but...)
cardinals1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:20 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know someone that interviewed for a major position with one of his hotels. He said he was nice and professional, but he loved talking about himself, which should come as a surprise to no one.
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
my grandpa got his autograph at a show 40 years ago
NightPain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:11 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Trump was 20?
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:10 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
trump is 70
NightPain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:48 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, so if your grandfather got his autograph at a show 50 years ago Trump would have been 20? Or am I misreading this?
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:46 on November 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck i meant 40
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IncestOnly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:37 on December 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good story, but uhh what does this have to do with the post?
ratcity22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:48 on December 14, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow anyone that isn't rich nor plays golf if getting downvoted in this thread.
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Wow, only praise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:16 on February 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So he wasn't lying when he said his workers love him huh
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This is why I won't meet Trump in person.
g70460us ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:46 on April 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Yes but those people's posts are being deleted or downvoted to oblivion.
thisisattest ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:32:05 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ding ding ding we have a winner
g0_west ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:40:50 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the people he didn't pay for the work they did.
Ratcliff01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:55 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got a story?
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tom641 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:21 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything i've heard of Trump makes him sound like he's a decent guy in person. Pretty much all of the shit I hear of him is just not sending checks, or complaining on twitter, or something else impersonal. The debates were the closest thing i've seen to him being a bitch in person and even then he was pretty clearly just spouting things to win, I doubt he has any real problem or care with the Clintons other than being his opponent.
Goasupreme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a decent supporter of his and based off the comments here and other stories. He's an asshole when doing business, pretty good guy with people, especially his own employees.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:26 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine once played golf with him. He said he cheated by knocking his ball out of the ruff with his foot!
TyNyne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:25 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not about meeting trump, but I would like to say I'm surprised that all the comments here are very pleasant and nice things about him. Very... surprised.
victorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:18 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All these pleasant encounters really make it seem like he has a great personality, and is a kind-hearted man. It begs the question, then: is he really a douche-bag deep down or is he a puppet being pulled/manipulated by higher powers?
cursedcassandra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:25:14 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has NEVER been anyone's puppet. He does not kow tow to elites or convention. That's one reason why he's irritating to some people. I remember Ali was hated because he was mouthy and brash and did not follow social conventions for proper behavior either. Trump is cut from that mold.
victorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:51:03 on November 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't convincing proof -- or even an attempt at one -- that he didn't sell himself to higher powers. You're simply reiterating the symptoms, while I'm interested in the cause.
canconfirmamhuman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he just said all the offensive stuff so that he would get media coverage. I'm sure he won't follow through on a lot of the extreme things he claimed he would do. Honestly I think all the things the media said (racist/xenophobic/misogynist etc) are nothing to worry about and what we should really worry about is the fact that he is inexperienced and therefore might not know how to manage a country well
etherspin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has only earned himself the power to do things of the same nature as the agenda he ran on, even if he can't constitutionally ban people via religion or afford a physical wall. donald's election win installed republican majorities with a serious mandate from voters. He can't suddenly switch to a much more palatable agenda because he blew the people who would vote for it (in legislative form) out of the water.
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What is a man but his words and actions?
But nevertheless, what makes you so sure that he won't go through with the things he said he would? Not doing them sounds great from the perspective of those individual things, but bad because he would be starting off his presidency by not fulfilling his promises.
etherspin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:03:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. He just wiped out the folks most likely to reject the stuff he promised and got a mandate from a set of people who were talking about armed revolution if Hillary had won (because it would mean failure to deliver his stated agenda)
I'm still firmly of the opinion that as so many people close to him say, his ego goes on autopilot 90 percent of the time but is also fragile as hell and this is all a response to being insulted (which he more than deserved,he got off lightly not being called a racist) for his birther movement in 2011. That being said I'm sure he thinks he can cruise by doing weaker versions of what he promised and be this popular president, he is already sounding like he wants to be friends with the Clintons again who he basically said both belonged in jail several times over and were con people and in bills case, a rapist. Wonder how the women he had around him at the second debate feel now! He sounds like he is back to considering them losers and liars ? Its really up to him to square all that along with his changing positions on everything but the death penalty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:38 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Those are the only options?
victorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:33 on November 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to hear some other, nicer options, because the two I mentioned aren't all too great.
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a491450451 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really an interesting thing to see so many banal stories of a person who always stands at the edge of chaos.
somasomore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never met him myself, but can say my cousin worked for him as a caddy at one of his golf courses. My cousin says he's a great guy, and is a big supporter. He is also the kind of guy that would not at all be put off by the leaked tape stuff, so take it for what it's worth.
deemtee99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He gleaned that from being a caddy?
somasomore ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:05:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gleaned an opinion of someone after doing multiple rounds of golf? Sure, why not?
pspetrini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:43 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in attendance at the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony in 2013 where he was a member of the class.
Didn't interact with him directly but I, and about 12,000 other people, booed him mercilessly for about 20 minutes. I enjoyed it.
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G3G123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:35 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Donald Trump twice.
The first time was at the hospital where we had our first daughter. Trump was there on whoever the fuck knows what business. I remember hearing several nurses holler.
The second time was at a Christmas telecommunications convention in Northern Minnesota. I remember there was a dispute due to the fact that Donald didn't want the convention to have a Santa but the organizers did. They had the Santa so trump showed up in a purple Santa suit and stayed for only 10 mins.
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brutalembrace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:32 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he a good guy he buy many cookie
Nosey_Rosie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:25 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Met Donald a few years ago in one of his hotels and he saw our group of photographers and kept walking by us I guess hoping we'd take his picture. When he went by the 4th or 5th time he said "oh come on, all those cameras and not one of you has tried to take my picture?" We weren't there to shoot him though, we were there for an event. Seemed nice enough but his comments made me think he really likes being in the spotlight and why I did not vote for him. I think he will love the title of being THE president but I don't think he actually wants to do the work.
Met Donald Trump Jr (thats the dark haired one right?) on a separate occasion and he was kind of a douche. His general attitude about "the help" that was serving him bothered me and I wasn't even one of them. Seemed like one of those smug frat guys you meet in college who have everything handed to him.
broffensivecomment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Boca Raton at a restaurant on a golf course maybe 10 or 12 years ago, I came back from the driving range to a table where he and my Dad were sitting and discussing 'The Art of the Deal.' Felt like witnessing any other coffee-shop meeting my Dad was in my whole life. Normal businessman.
We both think he's a danger to the country, a bigot, etc.
edit: 14 years ago
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๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:00 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason makes me think of Heidegger from FFVII.
Edit: replace the horse laugh with "your fired" I guess
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Well, now the anti-Trumps know who to murder if time travel is ever invented.
Bricci ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:15 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol no you didn't
beethrownaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:52 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, don't believe me. Shit.
Bricci ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:08 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you, but you're not "the butterfly that caused this whole situation". He has been asked and encouraged countless times about running for President, dating back to the 80's.
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I'm so fucking confused
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wat
Tickling? Bleeding? You worked for him at 15? Were you literally fired?
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was i down voted because i stated a fact on the HRC side, or was i down voted for interpreting her ideas and applying them to Trump based on this topic
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npor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:59:17 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8th one of these I've read so far. Stop it. So unoriginal.
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Nothing in reddit is original anymore :(
SpaceNinjaYoshi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:26 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was walking down a street in NY sometime in '99. I was visiting for the first time so I was a bit overwhelmed with the buildings. I was looking around at the buildings as I went around a corner and someone knocked me to the ground. I looked up and it was Mr. Trump.
I said, "Hey, Mr. Trump, why'd you knock me down?"
He said, "Oh, I thought you was somebody else."
letsdoamakeover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:16 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope this is true.
sq7896 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:31:45 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's from "coming to america" trumps name put in place of frank sinatra
SpaceNinjaYoshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:01 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Martin Luther King, sir.
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doctor king, doctor king
you are right
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leoninebasil ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:34 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wow, these comments make him sound nice. He treats the "little men" (food servers, random people on the street, etc) well. Having gone to a school with lots of rich kids and their families, I can tell you this in not always the case.
Kinda gives me more hope. If only he didn't have Mike Pence as his vice.
-Replicated ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:55 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I met him he gave me the exact change!
bozon92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:24:27 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From all of these, it seems that Donald Trump one-on-one is a pretty decent guy, but that decency quickly deteriorates when you put him in front of a crowd.
BCB441317 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many golf courses does this man own lol
JordanHaimes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:31 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
15 golf courses in Scotland, Ireland and across the Eastern Seaboard seven golf courses in the United States From Wikipedia. He probably has a few more too haha
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I'd hazard a guess that that would be because her public social presence beyond politically motivated occurrences (and staged photo-ops like the hiker thing) has been basically non-existent for thirty years.
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Yep. Everybody knows that 95% of his comments he's ever made that were construed as sexist and horrible were made as jokes on places like the Howard Stern Show. Entertainment. And suddenly people people decided to treat those comments as completely serious and malicious.
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I was a cubscout, and we were opening at a baseball park. I was pretty young, all I remember was him not wanting to talk outside of the actual event (Which I understand, I mean some of the cubscouts wern't even 10), but being nice for the camera.
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aixelsydevaheW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:41 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have fun with your Alt-Left conspiracies. If Trump wanted to censor Reddit I think he would have started with r/politics
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AnotherPint ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:25:54 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea if any of this is true, and this thread is a survey of peoples' personal experiences, not a test of their Googling skills.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:21 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My old boss worked for him years ago. It was her job to handle his multiple affairs and make sure the women didn't know about each other.
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nevkev ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:27:58 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was getting the bus from Aberdeen to Peterhead (Scotland) around 4 years ago. The bus was going past Trump's new golf course and there he was, checking out his new sign. We was wearing his golfing gear and his PA was waiting for him in the Land Rover (she looked hot). If I knew then what I know now, I would've definitely gotten off the bus and kicked his ass. Or asked for money.
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:33 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Legend has it that Donald Trump's in the face of the poor children of the UK.
JoeHardesty ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:48 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nearly every comment here does not answer the post even remotely. Jesus Christ can you people read? Your dad meeting him 95 is irrelevant, keep that to yourself.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read in the past as well as here that he is an upstanding guy, very respectful and polite as well as generous. But the campaign really painted a whole different picture of him and it's hard to know what's truth and what's not. But knowing what I think I know about him I think he could honestly do this country a lot of good. And before you ask, no I did not vote for him.
BLCKFLG_media ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:37 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The question is always wonis the painter and what do they want the painting to look like.
Whatever people might think of him, I do not believe he is as bad as portrayed. The most accurate metric to assess future behavior... is past behavior.
endangeredseamoose ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:30 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he seemed intelligent and well read. Not so much the racist ass he is now.
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BeyondEstimation ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Hillary ;)
obigespritzt ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:16 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn if it wasn't for him being racist and a bit... conservative towards females, he seems like a really awesome guy judging by this thread.
OwnagePwnage123 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:38 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not met him, but heard he sleeps less than 6 hours every night and is always going something. He is very productive.
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bicyclegeek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:46 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're in for a rude shock.
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LT508 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at one of his campaign stops in New Hampshire with a friend of mine. We posted up at the exit with a first edition of "Art of the Deal" for him to sign. We were warned that he wasn't going to sign anything, so we were ready. I set a pick and threw my shoulder into a secret service guy, making a space for my buddy to make his move... He proceeds to smack Trump on the shoulder with the fucking book, like really hard, he was actually shaken a little. Trump see's a nice young man in a suit waving this book in his face, grabs the sharpie and throws down a quick signature (kept the pen). He yells to my buddy, "Great Book!". We were the only ones to get anything signed that night. In hindsight, it may not have been the best idea to hockey-check a secret service agent, but its his fault for letting his guard down... Best night of my life.
CardboardHeatshield ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:24:48 on November 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know how I can tell you're full of shit?
LT508 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:11 on December 30, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but please go on and tell me how full of shit I am...
http://imgur.com/gsa1jLK
CardboardHeatshield ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:28 on December 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if that's actually you and your friend, then kudos for hitting a secret service member to get to the person they were defending and not getting filled with lead.
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๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:31:11 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I had asked about Trump specifically. Maybe you should make a Hillary thread.
ivybelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, while I am the LEAST likely person to defend Hillary, there probably haven't been nearly as many opportunities for people to have gotten close to her in the past two decades or more as there has Trump. She has had a secret service detail since the 1992 campaign. I'm not really sure anyone really could have gotten personally close with her aside from campaign/ political staff who are notoriously closed lipped and potentially some wait staff.
I mean, there was the recent picture with that woman who "stumbled upon" Hillary in the woods or whatever, but she would have had to "stumble upon" a few secret service agents first to get close enough for that selfie.
I'm just not sure that she has been as accessible given her positions. Trump was more available for people to bump into and do business with. Hillary stories would have to be from 25+ years ago and she is likely a much different person after having lived in the White House, serving as a senator, serving as Secretary of State, and having two runs at president.
Like I said, I'm the last person to defend her, but I don't know if it's fair in all honesty to expect to find stories about her either way from "regular" people.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:54 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's a good point, I hadn't considered that. Though I have seen several selfies of individuals with her floating around the internet, and I'd be curious to hear their anecdotes, even if it only represents the briefest of exchanges. I'd like to hear impressions from those people and not just her escorts (who generally have nothing good to say about her). My whole purpose in posting this thread was to find short anecdotes about Trump, and I expected to hear terrible things.
Edit: last sentence for clarity
ivybelle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:08 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I know. I didn't mean to derail your thread. Sorry. I was just responding to that other person. Sorry.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:03 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not derailing at all. Constructive and thoughtful discussion is especially important right now.
deadly_inhale ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:08:12 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya this post has been kinda weird, did it sit unnoticed in new for hours then explode in popularity? That would be one indicator of an astroturfing PR blitz.
๐๏ธ risingpowers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:06 on November 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it pretty steadily grew