Can anyone concisely explain what is going on with the obsession with clowns, and why everyone is giving attention to it? I know people are pretending to be clowns. But I don't know why or why any of this is newsworthy.
But how is this so popular yet people don't know where it came from. It's just like clowns are a "thing" all of a sudden? I know it's based on people dressing as clowns but why do so many people give a shit? It's way over my head.
There was a sighting of a clown in some city, I forget the name, and people called the police. The PD said it wasn't against the law. It was actually on reddit is where I saw it. I guess people saw that and copied it, and now you see those videos of the guys doing pranks as clowns and getting in fights and arrested. More copycats and I guess it just took off from there. I hear it's even a thing in the UK and Ireland as well as the US.
It's I'm Australia as well. My local police have issued a warning saying any clowns will be arrested on sight. I just wish the circus was in town right now so the cops could do a full raid on their tent
Kernath ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:06:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it legal to arrest someone for the way they're dressed?
I can almost guarantee such an arrest would be based on intimidation, intent to terrorize, public disturbance, etc. They're just (rightfully IMO) looking for a reason to get them off whatever street they're stalking.
Dubanx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of fucked up. Part of me wishes I were Australian so I could hold a clown protest! Most of the rest of me is relieved I don't.
Certainly in Europe, I can think of three examples where a person's manner of dress will attract police attention.
The first is my own country of the UK where there is a law in place which prohibits outright the wearing of 'political uniforms'. This applies to any and all political affiliations and so differs from something like the law in Germany which, as far as I'm aware, only prohibits Nazi uniforms. The primary reasoning behind this comes from the days when the Blackshirts, under the leadership of Oswald Mosley, held public rallies and often wore black shirts as part of their uniform, hence the name. In more recent times a number of prosecutions were aimed at members of Britain First, a far right political activist group, as they often chose to publicly demonstrate and rally whilst wearing clothing with the group's insignia on it, which meant they fell foul of the 1936 law.
Also, I believe that under public order laws, a person can be detained or fined in England and Wales if their manner of dress, behaviour or even presence within a public space is causing offence, distress or alarm to others.
The burqa ban in France. This is well-known and so I don't think I need to go into detail, but a large number of women have been either detained or fined for this law.
Germany's ban on all display of Nazi symbols, including uniforms and armbands/caps. This is primarily a move to combat and discourage neo-Nazis.
As /u/moderatelyopiated says, it's typically about public order, intimidation or such factors when such an arrest is made rather than the pure fact of someone wearing a certain type of clothing.
Kernath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:22:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I get that it's typically applied logically and not blindly, it just scares me because I don't like laws which are meant to be applied on the discretion of the enforcing party. Leaves too much room for human error.
A law that leaves no room for the discretion of the enforcing party is simply a no tolerance policy, like with many schools not allowing kids to carry their inhalers due to them technically containing drugs. There needs to be some level of discretion in applying it or it will become ridiculous and people get punished for no good reason due to a technicality.
Hallc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of pure curiosity are you American by chance? I've just noticed that, in general, American Citizens have less trust for law enforcement than other counties seem to.
Certainly in the case of the British law, it had solid reasoning for existing bearing in mind the events surrounding the Blackshirts that had already happened. Plus when Britain First were at their peak, their demos were a major police headache and there was also a problem with them going in these uniforms to random mosques and then harassing both clergy and worshippers. It became an intimidation tactic and so had to be dealt with. IIRC not only were they cited for this, they were also cited for trespass and so dealt with.
Australian here. The police warned they would arrest people dressed as clowns. Logic would state this is more to do with clowns in situations where people are trying to cause panic.
When they are dressing a certain way with the intention of causing trouble, maybe. I doubt there would be any serious charges unless they were found to be carrying weapons
It's happening in New Zealand as well. People up north are organising clown hunts (wtf), and police have had to issue public notices saying that all vigilante clown hunters will be arrested if they violate the clown's (human) rights.
There's a circus company having to pack it in out of fear for their employees safety. It's fucking ridiculous. O_O
you don't understand how it works. Saying that a clown is just a dressed up human is like saying that a werewolf is just an angry fuzzy human. Sure they were human at one time, but once they've transformed to their clown form they are just clown
Brazilian here, just watched a 30 minutes segment about people dressing as clowns, robbers wearing clown masks, clowns doing clown shit and clown phobia. It was aired on maybe the most watched sunday night TV show. Fucking America, man, you can't make this shit up.
Sykres ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:16:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems pretty clear to me we're dealing with the beginnings of a full-on clown outbreak. Think zombie-nightmare earth, but more colourful. Now, we've dealt with these situations before, and we can learn from the past. The only question is: can the clowns learn too?
That sort of becane a thing in Mexico as well, two guys dressed up as clowns and tried to scare some people in the middle of the night, but they got beaten to death and the whole clown thing died pretty quickly
Sweden as well. In my tiny-ass town, even. I assumed they were talking about the US or something when they started discussing it on the news, but then my town came up. It was weird.
This recent killer clown craze actually originated in Europe (UK and France IIRC) and spread to America from there and now it's also spreading wider in Europe.
Someone made a clown sighting YT video to try and grab on the media blitz... YT is full of copy cats... and suddenly the whole clown trend thing lends evidence to itself and everyone is left asking where it started.
I don't understand how it's so popular in a country with as many guns as we have. How the fuck have these idiots not been shot yet? Why in the hell would you do anything remotely threatening in a country where gun owners are very common and tend to love the idea of playing Batman (or Frank Castle, I guess?) with them?
Maybe because it's just the "new" thing (though it has been happening for a while). Maybe it's because Halloween is coming up, and people are excited for something spooky happening in real life (though this is not a good spooky...).
Or maybe people are just idiots.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop trying to make clowns happen. It's not going to happen.
kaboose9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the movie "it" have something similar to that? Never saw it, just heard my buddy say it had something to do with that movie
Why do people go to haunted houses? Why do people go on rollercoasters, skydiving, watch horror movies, etc? Because it's exciting. Its scary and adrenaline pumping. It's out of the norm and different from the daily grind. It's just interesting and exciting.
Pseuzq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way earlier, and smaller in scale, in Bakersfield, Calif. A lot of people speculated it was some sort of performance art, like a form of IRL Evil Clown Porn.
It got some coverage here on Reddit and elsewhere and the phenomenon began to grow slowly. But as all things Internet, people started copying and the meme was born. Now creepy clown stuff is the real-life equivalent of shitposting.
This happened 30 minutes away from where I grew up. However I think I read that entire communities of clowns were found in the woods of Florida I think.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like crop circles (remember those?). A few people did some staged scary clown "pranks" and it's sense inspired media attention. Now we have a myriad of people dressing up as clowns, getting media attention and people are being all "omg how crazy is this? This is just sooo scary." Oblivious that such mimetic mentality is older than the internet.
Shpeple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no obsession, there is a small group of retarded people that are trying to scare people by dressing up as clowns. What is great is that some of them have been jailed, as they should have. Also, some have tried breaking into homes or walking up to people with knives...some of them (the clowns) have been shot. It's a prank that has gone too far and is honestly just not cool.
I think it's basically a moral panic. Essentially, a single story gets sensationalized in the media causing more focus to be placed on similar stories. It's like a negative feedback loop that makes people assume the threat is disproportionately large. It often leads to reactionary bans that are more about making the public feel better than actually doing anything to make it safer.
It has been perpetuated by more people clowning around. In my city clowns have been calling into school making clown threats
Honestly I wish I could hear then. How does one make a clown threat over the phone?
Malaix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its a flash mob meme. It'll die down given time like any meme. Its just spontaneous group actions that snowballs because people find amusement in large groups of people participating in absurdity. Its an odd quick with people and humor.
It's meme culture. Apparently society thinks it's significant now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing for the IT remake.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It started as guerrilla marketing for the new 'it' remake coming out. Then crazies jumped on the bandwagon, and in my country they are liable as fuck to get bashed. It's basically terrorism, but it's a good vent for people in my area with a lot of frustration they need to get out.
Obsession, anxiety and fear of clowns as a social phenomenon in the US goes back to John Wayne Gacy. He was a serial killer caught in 1979 who was remarkable for two (other) reasons: he was known to be very active and well liked in his community and occasionally he worked as a clown for children's birthday parties. The country became obsessed with him because he was a perfect example of the last person you would expect to be a criminal yet it turned out he had bodies of teenage boys in his basement. He never killed anyone as a clown, and his victims were largely gay transient youth and young men (aged 16-21), but nonetheless people latched onto the clown image. His apprehension came at the time when the concept of "stranger danger" was really beginning in the US, as well as widespread conversations about homosexuality and the false conflation with pedophilia, so JWG fit perfectly as an example of all of the above. All of this grew throughout the 80s and really took off in the 90s in the form of satanic panic and the ever looming threat of pedophiles.
Meanwhile, the horror movie scene was in a state of flux from 50s style movie monsters (i.e. The Blob) towards humans and human-oids as the thing to fear (a transition set in motion by Psycho) so in the 70s and 80s you had a rash of films of men in masks killing people. After JWGs capture, Clown naturally fell into that category so you have films like "It" (amongst others) which take all the elements just mentioned into one horror film. So you have all these kids born in the 80s and 90s who: 1. Had parents who were panicking about stranger danger/pedophilia and 2. Were the perfect age to be babysat by the teenagers who were watching all these horror films/would let the kids watch these horror films/thought it was funny to scare the shit out of them.
All of those kids grew up and are now having/have kids, so the elements of this fear are really established in recent American history and culture and the development of a whole generation.
I'm entirely convinced that the initial news article that spawned the whole thing is a viral ad campaign for the remake of the movie It which is coming out next year. This all happened shortly after they released the first posters for it. They are re-establishing clowns as a horror element in the collective unconscious and teenagers around the country are acting as copy cats.
Even if there is a wave of unemployed douchebags, who gives a shit? You put on your adult-size panties, realize that someone trying that hard to be creepy is more'n likely full of it, and get on with your life. Same amount of danger-- practically none-- with far less needlessly soiled underwear.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG I had the sweetest kid get 3 day in school suspension because the students were spreading this rumor that the clowns were going to be at school on Friday, and so he brought 2 steak knives and a paring knife to school in his backpack. Fortunately he didn't get sent to SOS.
Goddamn. I wonder what asshole put that in her head. Way to go, Uncle Jake.
charm803 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:16:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought it was her parents, they didn't speak English so I could see it as miscommunication. So I asked her parents.
They had no idea about any clown stuff, it turned out it was her 12 year old brother who was telling her clowns were killing second graders.
The more I thought about it, the more it made sense that her brother would tell her, a second grader, that clowns were specifically killing second graders.
Yeah I knew it had to be someone specifically telling her that.. Older sibling makes SO much more sense than an asshole adult. I'm actually relieved. Definitely a normal big-brother thing, heh.
All of my kids are terrified of clowns too! The first night after it was on the news, none of the students could talk about anything else. Many of our families live in a single apartment complex, so word travels fast.
My co-worker was telling me about how her 7 year old son was terrified to go to school because some of the older kids were saying that clowns were going to come.
At the elem. school I work at the principal made an announcement assuring the students there were no clowns in or around the school, and to stop talking about them because it scares some kids. Meanwhile, the sketch "park" across the street would be the perfect place for a clown to hang out. We've had to alert police before because of creeps at that park (it's across the street from the playground)
We live in a rural area, but close to MANY of these sightings and where the arrests have been made. Even though we never watch local news or anything our kids are terrified and don't want to play outside because all the kids at school talk about it constantly. It's getting ridiculous really.
Two kids have gotten hit by cars jumping out in front of them dressed as clowns, too.
AKR44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're still talking about Trump, then.
fuzzeoly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you distinguish one killer clown from a different killer clown? No punchline, honest question.
Drew707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone laughs when I say this, but, I wouldn't at all be surprised that this clown thing is a guerrilla marketing campaign by a company tasked with promoting the It remake. They banked that it would become a meme and it has.
[deleted] ยท 11763 points ยท Posted at 16:12:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my 3rd graders enthusiastically yells trump sometimes for no reason. Usually one of the girls will yell back NO, HILLARY. I dont think they care all that much
[deleted] ยท 3324 points ยท Posted at 18:57:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Holt!
XGPfresh ยท 1070 points ยท Posted at 19:01:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I'd watch that debate. "Steve Holt!" Everyone proceeds to clap and cheer.
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sumojoe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:27:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a politician from Iowa named Steve Holt. He's in our state house. His campaign office for one district was attached to a house I used to live in (back side was a house, front side was offices). Motherfucker always took up my parking spaces. Fuck Steve Holt.
Pinyaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a town close to me a guy named Steve Holt recently ran for local office. I enthusiastically yelled "Steve Holt!" every time I passed one of his signs.
Haha my city actually just voted in a guy named Steve Holt as our new mayor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my life, there are very few things that will trigger a Pavlovian response in me, but if I hear somebody call out "STEVE HOLT!", my arms will automatically shoot up in the air.
One of these days, it's going to happen in a dangerous situation, and I'm going to lose my left arm to, like, a passing car or something. It'll be okay, though. I'll be all right.
wareena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a dude sitting and yelling at the traffic today about "no more corruption - Trump for president - Hillary for prison." He was sitting on the sidewalk in front of an ivy league university with a lawn chair and big No More Corruption sign just exercising his inalienable rights.
Ksp136 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing those! Except I was in Korea during the time of Gangnam Style and an election....
One of my neighbors has a sign that says "The silent majority stands with Trump" which is hilarious to me because he's the only one with a sign and it is huge.
I think Trump supporters are just more supportive of their candidate than Hillary's. My state is solidly blue in the presidential elections, and I still see far more Trump signs than Hillary.
kazga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:38:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary definitely has less outright supporters than Trump. A lot of people voting for her are actually voting anti-Trump.
This is the correct answer. Not counting online interactions, I don't think a single person I know who's voting for Hillary actually likes her, or even wants her in office, but we're all agreed that we can't abide a Trump presidency, so we're holding our nose and voting for her.
sederts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:27 on December 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which state are you in?
mcm1994 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because suburban areas where they own their own property (and can put up signs) tend to vote Republican.
I live in a blue state and my county has far more Trump signs.
I live in the suburbs of Cleveland, and there are Clinton signs everywhere. Drive a half an hour away from the city though, and there are Trump signs everywhere. The more rural the area, the more Trump signs, although that doesn't necessarily
mean that that's where there are more Trump supporters, just that it is more socially acceptable.
I live in a sort-of red state (Missouri) and have seen more Johnson signs than Trump ones. Oh, and a lot of Clinton ones. A good number of them also include the Senate and Governor candidates on the sign, I believe.
Vinlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a swing state. My neighbors keep adding more and more signs to their yards. Across the street are Trump supporters. They started out with one sign. My next door neighbor put up a Clinton sign. A few days later, there were two Trump signs across the street. A few days after that, there were three Clinton signs next door. Then the Trump supporters answered and the Clintons after that... As of yesterday, when I got in from work, the Trump supporters have the upper hand, but we will see what tomorrow holds. The Republican and Democrat offices are less than five miles from where I live and both set of neighbors are retired, so they have time on their hands to do their sign war. I imagine by the election, both yards will be full!
Kaxxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get yard signs. I promise you seeing a sign with someone's name on it will not change my opinion.
Kapalka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone had to link it :D
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:28:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of a podium or notes, each candidate is given several buckets of feces to hurl at his or her opponent. The front three rows all get splash guards like at Seaworld or a Gallagher show.
RazarTuk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to stop watching because it reminded me of my 10 year old nephews whining and blaming each other for starting a fight. Each one saying what the other did wrong and that they should apologize.
Grinagh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the movie election, its VERY apropos right now
koshgeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only that? I'm kind of surprised the debates haven't devolved to something like the "Gamesters of Triskelion", complete with choice of hand-to-hand weapons at the start and betting on the outcome.
"1000 quatloos on the candidate from New York!"
DrSoaryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basically an adult version of pokemon where the winner gets to control a major world power.
Reminds me of that one episode of family guy, where Lois was running for the school board or something (I forget), and at he debates she started out trying to be civil and keeeping to her points, but she eventually devolved to just mentioning 9/11 nonstop
chafe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert's debates on the Daily Show
Well, you see, Hillary has more than half a brain and knows how not to fall for obvious bait. She's been dealing with condescending men shouting over her for her whole political career. You think some cheeto-tinted fascist is going to upset her?
Each candidate just yelling Trump's name, trying to be louder than the other.
FTFY. Even Hillary has realised that no one is actually voting for her, they're voting against him. Read the transcript of her recent speeches, they're all Trump-centric.
My old roommate does that. He isn't a Trump supporter. He just likes telling Trump things. He's 24.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:25:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little kids in the UK do that too, but that's because 'trump' is literally kid-slang for fart.
It comes from the verb "to trump", originally meaning "to produce a sound upon or as if upon a trumpet" or "to proclaim or announce with or as if with a fanfare". (source)
Yup. Also a 3rd grade teacher, and my students loved to randomly start shouting at each other about the election, clearly just parroting their parents views, but in classic 3rd grade black and white, simplified views.
"Trump is terrible!"
"NO! Hillary is the bad guy!"
"NO YOU'RE WRONG! THAT'S TRUMP!!!!"
"Hillary Clinton is against America!"
"Trump wants to build a wall and KILL EVERYBODY!!!"
And on and on.
There is now a strict "No one is allowed to share their opinion on the candidates during class time or else" Rule in my class. For my own sanity.
G8kpr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is going to make Elemntary School great again.
[deleted] ยท 12241 points ยท Posted at 16:54:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a kid say that Hillary was evil and a member of the Suicide Squad. I asked if he meant Harley and he insisted that Hillary was too.
starite ยท 11806 points ยท Posted at 18:27:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harlary Quinnton 2016
NethChild ยท 8305 points ยท Posted at 18:59:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That just looks like you're trying to say Hillary Clinton with a stereotypical Asian accent. Or maybe I'm just an Asian reading it and that's how I read.
NethChild ยท 1320 points ยท Posted at 19:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been on the internet for too long. It's conditioned me in weird ways. I've been accused of being British, French, and Canadian. No one believes me when I say I'm Asian. And realistically I think I'm a white American.
roeravid ยท 587 points ยท Posted at 20:20:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
songbolt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vote Rick Tyler! Make America White Again! ... even if you're not actually white, whatever being white even means.
(Was amazingly cringe-worthy seeing his opening speech at a town hall. He builds up to a crescendo to the phrase "People like us..." and then pauses, appears to have a mental moment of "oh **** I'm about to say something really racist" and then pivots to "... who understand the Constitution!")
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel any better, an Australian politician barely said something not identical to "let's make Australia white again!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little known fact: by modern standards most of the convicts taken to Australia were slaves.
A big reason for England's overpopulated prisons was because of some hardcore class warfare, leading to mass imprisonment of the lower classes.
Some of those 'convicts' were under 20 and had been caught stealing food one too many times.
But yeah that politician can eat all of the dicks. Stupid cunt.
KingxCo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cracks on my cell phone made me think your user name was "MethChild"
No, you're just a NORMAL AMERICAN who isn't obsessed with race. What are all these ultra-entitled people going to do to excuse their poor behavior once race is no longer a lever to use against the world?
Had to post this: my four year old yesterday in the backseat of the car said
"mom that man said Hillary Quinton is a liar... that's bad!" (The fact that he was name calling was bad)
But the fact that your comment said stereotypical Asian accent... we live in Tokyo and she has developed a little of an accent from going to school since she was two with Japanese kids and teachers.
Lmao that's awesome! I'm using that when she gets older. Or I can just call her egg like In Arrested Development. Hell I already call my other daughter bean "Elle bean".
It actually makes me pretty damn happy that even though DC comics has toned down Harley (a muderer) to try to make her a little girl thing ($$) that kids still understand she is a very bad person. Awesome
Ramshel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hippo625 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then, who's Joker?
Malaix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remebers of of when I was a kid with star wars figures. For some stupid reason I thought Jawa was pronounced Jew. So my grandmother walks in and i was screaming about stormtroopers killing my Jews as I mashed a star wars stormtrooper into a plastic jawa. She was a little horrified.
Kids get a little mixed up with words sometimes...
Namoor3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ronm4c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a photoshop mashup of that.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omg. That's a thick joke. Likely spawned from a joke about her suiciding people in the back of the head, barbell decapitation, or train tracking opponents.
dinnabeh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:09:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His parents are likely uneducated republicans.
dev4115 ยท 3504 points ยท Posted at 17:25:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5th grade teacher here, in a red state. I work in a school that is 95% Hispanic. I hear a lot of "Trump hates Mexicans" or "If Trump wins they will kick my parents out of the country" as for Hillary, many students hate her also and one student has referred to her as the devil. A few students have informed me that no matter who wins, the world will end and we will all die.
Apocalyptic beliefs become really silly when you look at the history of them, and the thousands of predicted apocalypses that have come and gone, and the millions who believed that certainly, the world would end in their lifetime.
People are so self important. SURELY the world must end during MY lifetime!
Dubanx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I refuse to die. Even if it's the last thing I do!
Unless the president is able to eradicate Chinese hoaxes, nuclear weapons, artifical intelligence, the fourth Death Star, etc., it's bound to happen eventually.
You made me sad as I realise there will inevitably be yet another massive superweapon in episode 8 or 9. I just hold out hope that it is piloted by Binks.
Supposedly there's a myth among street kids in Florida that Jesus was already born, but Mary thought mankind too evil to save so she killed him at birth. So now there will be no salvation and we're all damned, which is why life sucks so much for street kids.
My dad taught at Sunday school and really likes Obama. He literally got into an argument before with a little kid who said his mom told him Obama was an anti-Christ and purposely spread Ebola. My mom just stood in the back and told him to stop.
I sound like I'll be like your dad in the future. I'm always sucked up into arguments....they can be very logical with a 49 year old or very stupid and with a 6 year old...I'll be passionate with whoever I'm arguing with. It's my downfall sometimes. I like your dad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
children convey the opinions of their parents
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dev4115 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:56:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only... I actually feel sad for some of my students who are legitimately stressed about the outcome of the election. Others are just parroting what they hear at home. Either way, I am so ready for this election cycle to be done with so I can stop brushing off the, "Miss, what do you think of Donald Trump question?"
as for Hillary, many students hate her also and one student has referred to her as the devil
At first you think Hillary is a devil
But after time has worn away the shock
You come to realize
You've seen her kind of eyes
Watching you from underneath a rock
MLKane ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:27:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly they're both lizard people from outer space, that's why Hillary is the better choice, she merely wants to rule us as our flesh eating overlord atop a pyramid of human skulls, The Donald is trying to summon his lost planet Nibiru from the dark side of the sun so he can merge it with Earth and bring about the Lizard Rapture, why do you think he's building all those towers?
He doesn't even try to hide it, he stamps the name of his dark god all over them! Trump!
Both are true statements. Makes you realize getting obsessed over who is going to win the election is small potatoes.
caroja ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:51:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IDK what the percentages in our elementary school is but the % of Hispanic students in our high school is well over half. Maybe 10-15% of HS students are from the rightest right wing conservative families and they are the only ones who DO NOT think the world will end no matter who wins. They are Trump all the way and have the nasty threats to prove themselves worthy of the title. Sexual assault has also risen 300% since January 2016. Very small town school district. Scary and very disturbing.
Urgranma ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trying to imply that sexual assault has gone up because of people supporting Trump?
caroja ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:20:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but IDK, to be honest I think it's more about the polarizing political atmosphere. The "anything goes" campaigning from all sides. I can't explain why sexual assault has risen so drastically. Physical assaults have also risen. In this micocosm of Americana, this election seems to be causing a lot of underlying issues to surface in a negative and destructive way.
Wow your kids are smart. When you think about it, we really are fucked regardless of who wins this election, which is why I'm not voting. They all deserve cookies.
A few students have informed me that no matter who wins, the world will end and we will all die.
If Trump wins, his first action as Commander in Chief will be to launch every last American nuke at Russia and China, thus bringing about a nuclear retaliation that destroys us all in atomic fire. The prophesy is fulfilled.
If Hillary wins, her first action as Commander in Chief will be to try to stop the incoming barrage of preemptive nuclear strikes by imposing half-hearted diplomatic sanctions on the ICBMs themselves. Unsurprisingly, the ICBMs disregard said sanctions, thus destroying us all in atomic fire. The prophesy is fulfilled.
AKR44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have some smart kids. I mean, we ARE all fucked, one way or another.
Jimmbeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter has said that she doesn't want Trump to win because her friends parents say that if he wins her friends and their families will have to move back to Mexico.
mewm172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids are convinced our neighbors, who are Chinese, and are here legally, will be deported. It's a hard thing to explain to a seven year old.
Red county, blue state, 98% Latino school population.
I work with high schoolers, and the general consensus is that all white people are racist and Trump is evil. Several students have tried to convince me that Bernie Sanders is still in the race.
Teemoshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate this shit. Leave kids out of it. When I was in third grade during the Bush/Clinton campaign in 92 I remember politics coming up from time to time. Third fucking grade! One day this little girl just started bawling. "Bush has to win, daddy said so!"
When pressed about it she revealed that it if Clinton won then her daddy would lose his job, they would be in poverty, and they'd have to live in a trailer park and just HOPE to get by. Seriously, wtf?
First of all, when Clinton was elected none of that shit EVER happened. Secondly, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU PUT AN EIGHT YEAR OLD THROUGH THAT SHIT? It's a terrible abuse. Small children don't have the reasoning capabilities to understand hyperbole.
Treczoks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A few students have informed me that no matter who wins, the world will end and we will all die.
Seems to be they got it right on the first try. Those kids would have a great future in a prospering country - if it wasn't for the election.
npenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On this note, when I was in second grade, the third graders thought it would be hilarious to tell us that if Bush won, he would close all the candy stores, but if Al Gore won, he would kill all the baby animals. We decided we wanted Bush to win because we could live without candy to save the baby animals.
I sexually identify as Marco Rubio. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of dispelling with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. People say to me that a person being Marco Rubio is impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm dispelling with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. I'm having a surgeon install the ability to dispel with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what's doing, and the ability to know exactly what he's doing. From now on I want you guys to call me "President" and respect my right to dispel with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. If you can't accept me you're trying to change this country and need to check your Chris Christie privilege. Thank you for being so understanding that I'm dispelling with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing.
I never understood Rubio's comment... Was there ever an idea that Obama wasn't acting purposefully or wasnt' aware of his actions? Is it actually an "attack" to say that the president knows what he's doing? ...so many questions...
Namika ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:11:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree with his logic, but Marco's context was talking about job losses and the decline of US power and respect on the global stage.
Marco was insinuating that Obama was purposefully working to make America weak and was working some master plan to sabotage and destroy America like some genius Bond villain.
mkstar93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing to find out, Christie said it right there, Rubio's weak and relies on prewritten lines and arguments. Disrupt his predicted debate script and you can force him to default to prior programming.
Ba_ben10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who is blind and when he's trying to gauge where people are in a room he'll say "Marco" and we'll take turns saying "Polo." You know the drill. We changed that to "Marco Rubio" too.
sjselby95 ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 21:09:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To tell you the truth, that's a really awesome idea.
That is a pretty awesome thing to do anyways! I'm just imagining a blind person in t knowing where anyone he knows is in a mall and just yelling "MARCO" ajd everyone telling back "POLO"
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:16:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Twilord_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say that enough and it starts to sound like a compliment.
V1russ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever someone yells "Marco!" I always tell back "Wahlberg!"
Kaxxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 6 year old son told me that he would not vote for Trump. I explained to him that he is too young to vote, but he replied that he wasn't too young "not to vote".
The next day, he told me if he could vote, he'd vote for "Harry Clinton". I think, he was hoping that the next president attends Hogwarts.
pk666 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 20:36:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he replied that he wasn't too young "not to vote".
My brothers and I used to play Slobodan Milosevic. I don't think we had any real idea who he was, just that he was a bad man and we liked the way the name sounded.
My mom and I used to play Marco Polo in stores when we got separated. Now she shouts back Rubio instead of Polo. She thinks it's hilarious. Other people think it's funny that a 25 year old and a 55 year old are playing Marco Polo in a Target.
In a similar vein, I heard a bunch of kids born talking about 9/11 in the context of it being a meme, kind of in the way that made it obvious they didn't really understand what 9/11 was outside of its context on the internet. I actually heard a child born in 2006 say the words "steel fuel can't melt steel beams"
In Florida, there's an ad that goes like that. There's two kids in the pool playing Marco Polo and the kid who says "polo" gets out and the kid saying "Marco" is saying Marco over and over again then they go on about how Marco Rubio has he worst attendance record and crap
My dad taught us that there are two things you never talk about in conversation: politics and religion.
Edit: I should clarify my wording. What I meant was that my dad taught me that, in polite conversation, politics and religion should be avoided as subject matter due to most people holding strong opinions as to which view is correct. This wasn't my dad having a house rule that politics and religion were not to be discussed; it was just him teaching us how to avoid derailing a conversation. Sorry for the confusion.
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weedagree ยท 493 points ยท Posted at 19:56:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad is going to be pissed if he sees what your are talking about. You should probably delete your comment
jdpn24 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:32:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an attitude I've never understood. Especially in democracy, discussion of politics is essential to being an informed and conscientious voter. I suppose it comes from the concept of democracy being the engine for balancing self interest, but that hasn't really been working out too great for us - especially considering how fucking easy gerrymandering is for members of congress. As an addendum, the concepts that are central to our democracies and social contracts were determined by political discussion.
Same kinda goes for religion - if the point of being religious is to be righteous and good (rather than purely to respect tradition) I don't see how discussion could do anything but help
The saying isn't about society in general, it's about topics you shouldn't be discussing casually among acquaintances if you're trying to be polite.
I'll debate politics with my friends, but not people I don't know well, because I've found that's a surefire way to bring a light conversation to a grinding halt. Not everybody shares the same political bent as I do, and I'm not always in the mood to have someone get all shouty with me.
I agree with your assessment, lots of people seem to take it as "NEVER talk about these things EVER at all, in general", when it's more like "Don't talk about your political stance on gay marriage at a dinner party with your boss and their spouse". There's always going to be SOMETHING you clash on, even if they're minor differences, but do you really want to take the chance at THAT specific time to find out?
Basically, the majority of people never learned how to have a civilized discussion with someone about something they disagree on. As a result, it's dangerous to begin the conversation because the other person might react badly. Therefore there are few opportunities for people to learn how to debate properly. The cycle continues.
We need to teach high school kids how to a) politely disagree with somebody, and b) effectively counter an argument without attacking the individual presenting it.
(Somebody saying "agree to disagree?" is just as annoying to me to somebody saying "fuck you!". If you're going to vote I don't want to agree to disagree, I want to show you why your argument is baseless and nonsensical. Politely of course.)
At a certain point, you can hit ideological bedrock and have to agree to disagree on fundamental interpretations, values, or hypotheses.
That said, I can see your frustration in other cases. It's usually right in the meat of the heat of the discussion. I suspect it's that we both relish a bit of war of the ideas to flex the muscles or bang up a bit of our misconceptions, while others find it to be a chore they're wholly uninterested in.
Momma always told us the Three Things to Never Discuss were politics, religion, and a woman's weight. You'll offend someone 100% of the time.
RedDK42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'd say for at least two of those three just represent immaturity and making it a rule of thumb is just enabling deeper party divisions. Difficult to understand policies/viewpoints when you people are apparently incapable of respectfully debating them and even more difficult to become able to respectfully debate them when you take it as a rule of thumb to not talk about them. Turning a blind-eye to a problem is usually not a good approach to finding a solution.
Of course, you still should probably try and read the situation/bring such matters up intelligently. But again, that's difficult to learn how to do if it's taken as a rule of thumb to not.
This seems to be worse in The US as those two things. I've lived overseas and they can still be wedge issues but they don't exactly have the ability to stop a dinner party in their tracks like they can in the US.
I wonder if it has to do with the two-party system. It does make it so lots of people have to take bad ideas with their chosen party, so there's plenty to get riled about on both sides.
There are three things you don't talk about in polite company: politics, religion, and economics (which can kinda be lumped into politics, but it's a bit different.) If you avoid those 3 topics, you can generally get along with most people as casual acquaintances.
How are people supposed to be engaged and know what's going on in the world if we ban casual conversation about two of the most important subjects? I mean, I love math and science but when you are talking to people for a long time, tit for tat conversations of "oh, did you see that one study? No? Yeah it turns out..." get old.
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In some Alternate reality, it is mandatory to discuss politics in religion every night.
We have the same rule. Not that we don't talk politics or religion as a family, but I've taught my 8 year old that those are two topics we don't discuss in polite conversation. Recently I was driving my eight year old and his friend somewhere and I heard the friend ask from the backseat "Do you like Trump or Hillary?" My eight year old promptly responded "We don't talk politics or religion in polite conversation." I smiled.
owa00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty much the same as the 3 golden rules of work. You don't talk about politics. You don't talk about religion. You don't talk about money. Can't go wrong following those in public either.
Something I've recently picked up working at a party store with Trump and Hillary themed masks right out front; don't mention them unless the customer brings it up themselves, and try and stay as neutral as possible.
I don't want to be the first person to get yelled at because someone got offended, especially since I'm not voting for either of them.
jhise016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But those are my favorite topics! I don't even really care your opinion, I want to hear you defense though.
I'm weird I guess, but I love a good debate so I will argue against your position on politics/religion if engaged (even if i agree). It gives real insight into how people think.
Same as my dad. We hang out often and sometimes religion or politics just pop up in conversations naturally. He's always the one to change the subject or tell us all to shut up and drink.
This was how my wife was raised too. My family on the other hand went by the motto: "If you really want to know someone just ask them about religion or politics." Those two topics are pretty much default dining conversation when there were guests over.
I dislike this teaching. We need to be able to have intellectual discussions about these hot button issues. Being able to have discourse that is informed and calm helps us to learn about others and to be able to tollerate new ideals that aren't in line with our own. Thinking we need to repress aspects of ourselves in order to remain socially acceptable hinders our growth as a society and species. Our foundation in our political and religious views are deeply held convictions, which makes it easy to understand the desire to not discuss them: it's uncomfortable and usually leads to personal attacks. Having more open communication about these things allows us to learn how to better express our ideals and allows for intelligent discussion to arise because we don't feel immediately placed on the defensive when a counter point arises. We've heard other's beliefs and can better understand how to calmly talk about what we believe. This doesn't mean strike up a deep conversation everytime you walk into ta room, but be more open to discuss when others do. Be able to stay calm and simply share ourselves with others. Maybe even becoming able to know why we have those beliefs and how they are reflected in our daily lives as well as the root of those beliefs from our past. We can't move forward as a society until we can be able to talk about these deeply held convictions without feeling attacked. We all need to be more open about who we are and why we have these beliefs, because hiding who you are in order to stay calm just causes the inevitable discussions about things that we don't feel comfortable with becoming arguments where neither party can appeal to any aspect of the other and hatred grows. These discussions shouldn't end friendships or cause a grand divide in our society. They should help us to understand multiple views and make informed decisions when we vote or practice our faith. Religion makes people feel whole, and because of that all beliefs that someone holds about their faith should be treated with respect, and we don't do that if we subconsciously hold onto the belief that out own faith is so exclusive from someone else's. The fact that we are different should give us comfort when we don't fit in some times. Everyone just wants to be happy, so the things that they believe are things that make them happy; that help them cope with reality. Beliefs are how we perceive the world. Other views might just help us to learn how to truly be accepting of others. It may finally help to end the attricities around the world because no one holds hatred for others and no one sees themselves as separate from another group. The only thing that truly separates us from one another is our convictions that we base on how we have interacted with the world and how the world continues to change around us. Its how we make sense of this chaotic world.
Exactly! We've become uneasy to just talk about anything with other people it seems. We carry the weight of our world's on our shoulders and don't always know how to just casually talk sometimes.
He taught you that because all politicians and all religions suck.
tim1e223 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 19:55:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't politics be discussed and even challenged? That's the only way to find out if your beliefs are right or wrong. The US might be the only first world country where talking about politics and sex is taboo.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 20:22:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Opinions on the best course of action are one thing, but the underlying facts aren't, and in this election particularly, many of the underlying facts are simply wrong, and a big reason so many people still believe them is that they never interact with people they disagree with.
Interaction isn't going to solve anything. People look at scientists, experts in their field, and call them liars because they don't like what is being said. Facts matter so little the so many American voters.
Because there's no social cost to being ignorant, and that is enabled by our unwillingness to discuss certain topics. Many people see no real need to be informed about topics they know are unlikely to be brought up.
There are plenty of people with no aversion to discussing politics. People don't enjoy having their beliefs challenged. That is why they listen to talk radio that reinforces their held beliefs, watch tv that reinforces held beliefs, and talk to people that reinforce held beliefs. The aversion comes from people being well aware that polite political discourse in this country is a fucking myth, and that neither party are going to have their views changed as a result of any conversation so theres really no point. It is contentious, and contention is often avoided in public/social settings. It isn't circular, you're confusing causation and correlation.
The aversion comes from people being well aware that polite political discourse in this country is a fucking myth, and that neither party are going to have their views changed as a result of any conversation so theres really no point.
That certainly wasn't always the case. There was a time when people of opposing viewpoints could have a civil conversation and come away from it respecting each other, even if their views weren't substantially changed.
I suppose it's a bit of a chicken-or-egg situation, since we permit echo chambers to exists, but we permit them because we don't think we can do anything about them. I just happen to disagree with the latter assumption.
Good luck engaging a near majority of the country that has decided to double down on anti-intellectualism and uses "science" and "liberal" as dirty words (ignoring entirely that one of those words is the only reason this nation exists)
Idiotic politicians that write policy that affects not only us at home, but billions of people across the world. Yeah, fuck talking about any of that shit.
I don't want to be cordially interacting with my cashier and have them suddenly bombard me with "TRUMP IS SEXIST, YOU MUST VOTE HILLARY FOR THE SAKE OF THE COUNTRY". I'm not going to debate them there with a line behind me, so it's not worth bringing up to begin with. I also don't want to hear it in entertainment media where opinions flow in one direction and become more of a propaganda tool than a healthy open discussion.
On the other hand, I'm fine with going to a "discussion board" like reddit to "discuss" politics. There's a time and place for political discussion, but sometimes we need to stay on topic.
tim1e223 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have to and should never include vitriol.
And it wouldn't if the election of one person didn't affect the freedoms of 300 million people. But our politicians have extreme views and vast reaching authority. A vote for a harmful politician is an attack on our own livelihoods.
suparokr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A vote for a harmful politician is an attack on our own livelihoods.
If you want to invite vitriol into your daily life, go ahead and spout politics at people.
suparokr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I just think people should be more willing to discuss alternative points of view.
That being said, I understand that the majority of us in the US wouldn't be able to do this because we're typically very close-minded (due to our poor level of education).
two things you never talk about in conversation [with someone you just met]: politics and religion.
Usually the adage is meant for casual acquaintances/strangers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody in this country can simply disagree with someone's point of view without getting all emotional about it. That's why we keep our opinions to ourselves. I'll prove it to you by saying black lives matter is just a bunch of people who want to cause trouble and beat the shit out of white people.. Watch how many downvotes I get for this comment because every liberal is about to shit their pants
tim1e223 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:29:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We shouldn't just give up. Having grown up conversations is important
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Politics means "having to do with the public" if I remember correctly.
I would like it to be that way but a lot of people take it personally. Also they're only interested in the bad parts and the presidents, which does not leave us coming away enlightened.
tim1e223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well we shouldn't just give up. We should learn and teach others how to have grown up conversations
I think it's less "don't talk about it at all ever" and more "don't talk about it with people you don't know that well in situations that don't call for it". Talking about politics with your group of friends or in a civics class at school or online in a thread about the next election wouldn't be taboo, but starting up a discussion about it with a stranger in the checkout line or with someone you just met would be. With sex it's the same way--okay to talk about with friends or with whoever you're dating or even with strangers in a thread that is about sex, but not something you're going to talk about with the cashier at Walmart.
A lot of it has to due with just not wanting to create conflict or get into an argument, the rest has to do with not wanting to appear to be 'nosy' or 'rude'.
We really just need to agree to disagree on things in general. There is nothing wrong with discussion. Otherwise you end up living in an echo chamber and that breeds inaccurate information and stupid people.
I don't know about where you're from, but politics in America is a thing where if you have a different opinion than those you're around, you shut the fuck up.
Theoretically it should be. But unfortunately we have a lot of people who are very deep entrenched in their party being the correct party and everyone else is an idiot. You literally have people who will say something is absolutely untrue and horrible if the opposing side says it, but if their side says the same thing it's suddenly absolutely true. These people don't want logical debate. They don't want to be civil in regards to their political beliefs. They hear what they want to hear and block out anything else.
I don't argue with them about anything. They are my parents and I love and respect them even though we may disagree. Having differing opinions doesn't have to interfere with or end an otherwise loving relationship. They might be upset but they have never loved me any less, we all just agree to continue to never talk about those subjects with each other.
Hey man everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether you agree or disagree.
JonesBee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:13:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How did he find out if you don't talk about it? My dad found out about me being atheist on some relative's confirmation day. He said "hey son, communion" like I didn't hear it myself. I just looked at him, slowly shook my head and he replied with a single nod and he knew. We've never talked about it since. Finnish non-verbal communication.
I've never been in the closet about it. God was exactly like Santa for me. When I was 5 my older brother told me about Santa and when I thought about it I took it as if one old dude spying on me for good behavior was fake then they both were. A nice story (I'd only heard the heavily edited and happy Sunday school versions of the Bible) but just stories. Parents wrote everything I ever did off as "just a phase" until I was an adult and it was too late to try and change my mind.
Edit: as kids our opinions or thoughts on things were never asked for nor wanted so it wasn't really discussed until my late teens. It was then written off as "a phase" and I was dismissed.
Strange since for most people, those topics are hugely influential in our lives. I would have a very hard time thinking someone knows me if they didn't have any idea about my relationships or my opinions on politics and religion.
Skreamie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh of course and I love nothing more to discuss those subjects but I understand the saying all the same.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's such an immature ideology.
Skreamie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:20:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dated, if you ask me. He was most certainly a man set in his ways.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. If you refuse to talk about politics, you're just refusing to become engaged in your country. There's no other way to spin it. It's the same as if someone tries to tell you your vote doesn't matter. It's just sheer unwillingness to contribute. Not talking about your personal woman or religion? Fine. But refusing to talk politics as a lifestyle decision? It's just sad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like your dad would really like China
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why so much of our country is politically illiterate. We're taught to never talk about it, so we never think about it either and we just assume whatever opinion we hold is the best one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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everred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politics, religion, and aliens. You don't talk about those unless you want arguments.
OhioMegi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I tell my class. I got a huge email from the district that we are not to talk politics, etc in the classroom. So I just say politics are personal and that you should do research to pick the person who you agree with the most. Then we move on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also a good way of keeping your child sheltered from opposing views.
Kinda but kinda not. That's sorta a defense mechanism to keep yourself closed minded by not allowing dissenting opinions to give you new perspective or facts.
But in general it's good etiquette to keep it to yourself unless you know you're in the company of open minded intellectual people who will all benefit each other and be courteous.
ckuwiy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've made more friends talking about politics than I've lost. I'm pretty extreme too, I think it's all in the sense of humor.
Seriously talking about politics and religion are two things I will never ever let myself seriously do. Because of this, no one knows if I'm religious, and no one knows my political alignments. The most conversation I ever have about these kinda things are jokes at best.
It just ruins how people think of you, no matter who they are and no matter who you are. It freakin sucks.
aradil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just like finances and when people touched you in your naughty place.
This isn't a comment on whether I believe those things should be talked about. It's just the top three answers on family feud to "Things adults tell children not to talk about".
Political opinions and religion are like penises. You've got one and that's fine. But don't whip it out in public and wave it around or try to shove it down my throat.
JHG722 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to the Apple Store with my dad to buy something and when he was paying, the guy asked him what he thought about the debate. I thought it was pretty weird to ask someone you don't know political related questions.
In 1988, my dad gave me a lecture in the car about why we keep our votes to ourselves after I proudly announced to the entire polling place "My daddy is voting for Michael Dukakis!" In retrospect, this may have had less to do with privacy and more to do with embarrassment over voting for Dukakis.
Powellwx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you have your dad come tell my FaceBook feed that?
What do you mean why not? Would you want them to grow up and become a politician? I can imagine that a parent wouldn't need someone asking their kids what they think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So that by the time they get to vote, they're just as uneducated as they ever were?
Actually, it's a solid plan as long as they still get to talk about government, particularly including elections, parties (in abstract), media (again, in abstract), and the history of regulations relevant to those topics. Human rights and the environment should be involved, but you'll have trouble keeping that away from politics. Ditto economics, taxes, and the history of the corporation. Psychology would be a great addition, but the child's understanding might depend on their age (but I still don't think it would be a bad thing).
The most responsible thing to do is to try very hard to keep them separate.
IMO:
The adult-child conversation about politics is similar to the conversation about religion. If the "adult" has a preference/faith, then the picture is likely to produce a skewed impression (depending on the strength of the preference).
The adult-child conversation about government is similar to the conversation about... philosophy, and (to a lesser extent) science. It's very broad, technical, and while it may be extremely precise, it provides almost no final answers. And, oh yeah, no one ever has this conversation, even though they should.
If you raise your child to be intelligent and thoughtful, then providing your logic as it pertains to politics won't "brainwash" them. They'll have the reasoning skills to decide if the logic aligns with their values and agree with it or not. My parents taught me that way, and I made my own decisions and now have a slightly different flavor of political logic and values than they have. On the other hand, I'm just a stupid kid, so they probably have more experience to influence their values.
The only "brainwashing" comes from stupid parents raising stupid children who can't think critically, but instead treat politics like a popularity contest. And that can't be prevented.
If you raise your child to be intelligent and thoughtful, then providing your logic as it pertains to politics won't "brainwash" them.
See, you may think that, but it's simply not the case for most people's children. And how are most people going to know whether their child has been "raised to be intelligent and thoughtful"? And what do you do to account for predispositions?
IMO you haven't thought this out very carefully. How can a person know whether they're simply passing on their own "brainwashing" (your word)?
The only "brainwashing" comes from stupid parents raising stupid children who can't think critically, but instead treat politics like a popularity contest.
Unfortunately, I see no evidence that this has been measured (and it's an incredibly imprecise statement to begin with), and no evidence that this is the only way "brainwashing" can occur.
None of this takes account of anything by degrees, either. That's a huge problem. All people are susceptible to deceit. The question isn't whether it can be done, it's how much does it take.
And how are most people going to know whether their child has been "raised to be intelligent and thoughtful"?
How is anyone going to know if their child will turn out upstanding? Nobody does. Intelligence and thoughtfulness are good goals to shoot for, though.
Maybe the child won't think it through and will just accept what they hear because "parents are always right" (which is such a pervasive sentiment in youth culture), but that doesn't mean it's okay to hide information from them. If they are going to come up with their own ideas, they should be aware of what's being said about the issues. Hiding anything will prevent them from making an informed decision. Part of raising an intelligent and thoughtful person is not presenting your logic as unquestionable fact. That's a step towards not brainwashing your children.
Unfortunately, I see no evidence that this has been measured (and it's an incredibly imprecise statement to begin with), and no evidence that this is the only way "brainwashing" can occur.
It's been measured that critical thinking leads to better decision making. Not only has it been measured, it's kind of common sense.
All people are susceptible to deceit. The question isn't whether it can be done, it's how much does it take.
Thus the need to teach people how to step back and evaluate data. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be provided with data.
I think you're mistaken in believing you understand this situation. And I know enough about the state of the art in several of the related fields to say that you're mistaken regarding how much we can say for certain on the imprecise, implicit questions you're trying to answer.
Oh well, some people can't be convinced of the limitations of their knowledge.
grkpgn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's stupid, why not?
Th30r14n ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:25:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ebola didn't really happen in the U.S., not all police shootings are bad, and their constant reporting on Trump only kept him in the spotlight, giving him more supporters.
Unless they're military police, police are technically civilians.
You know, I'm not sure if I should bother arguing with you. Given your username (don't get me wrong, I don't like Trump either) and obvious animosity towards law enforcement, I don't think you'll budge on the issue.
My point of view, though, is that these situations aren't always black and white. In fact, they usually aren't. The fact that you say a cop can't discharge his firearm into an unarmed person ever is a bold statement. Like, if the person is wanted on multiple assault charges, you're a highway patrolman in the middle of bumfuck North Dakota with backup half an hour away, and the person is standing fifty feet away with his hands in his pockets after getting out of his car when you told him not to, then I think you'd be able to understand if the trooper shoots him if the guy suddenly jerks his hands up. Later on they find out he was unarmed. Would you consider that to be a bad shoot?
Obviously that's an extreme example. More common shootings are along the lines of what we've seen in Charlotte, where it's unclear as to if the shooting was justifiable. In my eyes it was; he had the weapon in his hand (indisputable) and was backing away from the officers while facing them. He could have done any number of things; the fact that he was still holding the weapon could suggest that he was planning on diving for cover. In that situation, in the heat of the moment, with the lives of you, your partners, and bystanders at risk, you have to understand that it is different than looking at the video evidence hours/days later hundreds of miles away in a safe newsroom. I, of course, can understand why many people disagree with the officer's actions.
Don't get me wrong, I can understand a bad shooting. Take the recent incident in Tulsa; that officer fucked up, and most LEOs agree with that statement.
But to say that an officer shooting an unarmed person is always bad is quite a narrow-minded thing to say.
Weird how Dylan Roof gets apprehended, the white MAGA hat wearing frat bro who ate someone's face gets taken in alive but unarmed black people get murdered for... literally nothing.
I like how you avoided my comment altogether and instead came up with something off-topic. I don't usually like doing this, but here's a fun little statistic: in 2015 twice as many white people than black people were shot by cops.
So do you have anything to say about my explanation of some of the shootings? That not all cops are racist, and instead sometimes find themselves in tight situations that force them to act quickly, relying on their training alone?
I don't know... Something tells me that when a minority race commits the majority of crime across the country, they're probably going to see a lot more police...
Nah, it's just that police are racist towards minorities, that's why they always shoot the mexicans, middle easterners, and asians too, right?
I'm not a trump supporter, but come on man, some facts and statistics can't be denied...
Sure, the police have made some fuck ups, but I'd say the blacks need to get their shit together just as much as the police, if not more.
Ok. Keep ignoring facts that are contrary to your opinions. Like how all races commit crimes equally, but black peoples are caught for it more because we heavily scrutinize their communities unfairly.
It's on Facebook, so here's the copied text if you can't access it:
I have come to realize something that is still hard for me to understand to this day. The following may be a shock to some coming from an African American, but the mere fact that it may be shocking to some is prima facie evidence of the sad state of affairs that we are in as Humans.
I used to be so torn inside growing up. Here I am, a young African-American born and raised in Brooklyn, NY wanting to be a cop. I watched and lived through the crime that took place in the hood. My own black people killing others over nothing. Crack heads and heroin addicts lined the lobby of my building as I shuffled around them to make my way to our 1 bedroom apartment with 6 of us living inside. I used to be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of gun fire, only to look outside and see that it was 2 African Americans shooting at each other.
It never sat right with me. I wanted to help my community and stop watching the blood of African Americans spilled on the street at the hands of a fellow black man. I became a cop because black lives in my community, along with ALL lives, mattered to me, and wanted to help stop the bloodshed.
As time went by in my law enforcement career, I quickly began to realize something. I remember the countless times I stood 2 inches from a young black man, around my age, laying on his back, gasping for air as blood filled his lungs. I remember them bleeding profusely with the unforgettable smell of deoxygenated dark red blood in the air, as it leaked from the bullet holes in his body on to the hot sidewalk on a summer day. I remember the countless family members who attacked me, spit on me, cursed me out, as I put up crime scene tape to cordon off the crime scene, yelling and screaming out of pain and anger at the sight of their loved ones taking their last breath. I never took it personally, I knew they were hurting. I remember the countless times I had to order new uniforms, because the ones I had on, were bloody from the blood of another black victimโฆof black on black crime. I remember the countless times I got back in my patrol car, distraught after having watched another black male die in front me, having to start my preliminary report something like this:
Suspect- Black/ Male, Victim-Black /Male.
I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone โdid you see who did itโ, and the popular response from the very same family members was always, โFuck the Police, I ainโt no snitch, Im gonna take care of this myselfโ. This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.
I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, โMake sure you come back home to usโ. I always replied, โI willโ, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me โUncle Tomโ, and โwanna be white boyโ, and I couldnโt understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldnโt understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called โฆI was there. Every time someone diedโฆ.I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their livesโฆI was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that questionโฆWhy was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.
I spoke to members of the community and listened to some of the complaints as to why they hated cops. I then did research on the facts. I also presented facts to these members of the community, and listened to their complaints in response. This is what I learned:
Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.
Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) โฆwill ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. Itโs called Demographics
Complaint: More black people get arrested than โwhite boysโ.
Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicagoโs death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicagoโs death toll from 2001โNovember, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.
Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.
Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.
Fact: Black people kill more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBIโs Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnsonโs research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.
Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we donโt need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.
The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black manโฆ.the more I realized.
I havenโt slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldnโt help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead,..would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?
Okay no offense but you legitimately sound brainwashed. I'm pro-gun, pro-gay, pro-law enforcement, and pro-choice. I consider myself a conservative Democrat; take that as you please.
All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the โnormโ, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post โblack lives matterโ. I realized that this country is full of ignorance, where an educated individual will watch the ratings-driven news media, and watch a couple YouTube video clips, and then come to the conclusion that they have all the knowledge they need to have in order to know what it feels like to have a bullet proof vest as part of your office equipment, โStay Aliveโ as part of your daily to do list, and having insurance for your health insurance because of the high rate of death in your profession. They watch a couple videos and then they magically know in 2 minutes 35 seconds, how you are supposed to handle a violent encounter, which took you 6 months of Academy training, 2 โ 3 months of field training, and countless years of blood, sweat, tears and broken bones experiencing violent encounters and fine tuning your execution of the Use of Force Continuum. I realized that there are even cops, COPS, duly sworn law enforcement officers, who are supposed to be decent investigators, who will publicly go on the media and call other white cops racist and KKK, based on a video clip that they watched thousands of miles away, which was filmed after the fact, based on a case where the details arenโt even known yet and the investigation hasnโt even begun. I realized that most in the African American community refuse to look at solving the bigger problem that I see and deal with every day, which is black on black crime taking hundreds of innocent black lives each year, and instead focus on the 9 questionable deaths of black men, where some were in the act of committing crimes. I realized that they value the life of a Sex Offender and Convicted Felon, [who was in the act of committing multiple felonies: felon in possession of a firearm-FELONY, brandishing and threatening a homeless man with a gun-Aggravated Assault in Florida: FELONY, who resisted officers who first tried to taze him, and WAS NOT RESTRAINED, who can be clearly seen in one of the videos raising his right shoulder, then shooting it down towards the right side of his body exactly where the firearm was located and recovered] more than the lives of the innocent cops who were assassinated in Dallas protecting the very people that hated them the most. I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken shit and will shoot a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to shoot someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to kill someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise. I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorist. I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100โs of years ago, when most of the white people today werenโt even born yet. I realized that some in the African American communityโs idea of โJusticeโ is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are. I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions. I realized that a lot of people in the African American community lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace. I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.
I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,โฆ and it is still hard for me to understandโฆ. to this day.
Not my point though. My point is that we always hear about the black people getting shot but never hear about the white people, even though twice as many of them are involved in OISs.
Hard to argue with your second point without sounding like a racist and having you shut down this debate because of it. Here goes:
I'm a privileged white male living in a predominantly white, fairly rural area. I'm also not a police officer, so I don't feel knowledgeable enough to argue with you much more than I already have. Instead I will turn to this viral Facebook post by a black police officer.
I feel like you didn't read it, but that's okay. I didn't really expect you to.
From a quick Google search, I've found out that 74% of all police shootings involved an attack in progress. That's not counting the ones I described before, either. As I've already stated, there are - and will be - bad shootings. But not all shootings don't make sense. Not all shootings of unarmed people are unjustifiable, as you believe. I'm a Democrat myself, but people like you really make me sad. The people who categorize things and refuse to see them any other way. The fact that you can say something is never okay is, in my frank opinion, really stupid.
Looking back we've strayed a long way from the original topic. Funny. And the reason o don't like stating statistics is because someone is bound to pipe up and say "Oh yeah? Well law enforcement isn't even in the top ten most dangerous jobs!"
But please, if you can link to a reliable source that proves anything I've said wrong, then please do so. I'm happy to learn and change my beliefs accordingly.
Im slightly left and I agree with you. On top of that, I dont believe in drowning children in political issues anyway. Give them a moral foundation, let them be kids, and they'll decide for themselves.
replace "lefty" with "all" and then you'll be on the right track.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'll happen eventually.
My coworker and I got along relatively well. He was annoying, but I chalked it up to him being younger. Then, in the middle of lunch, he loudly announced that he thought gay people were disgusting and that LGBT rights should not be taught in schools because he didn't want his kids to think that stuff was natural or okay.
I see him completely differently now. Just lost all respect for him. *shrug. It's awkward because he'll ask me to hang out outside of work and I have to find creative ways to avoid him.
Deadpan9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:39:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he loudly announced that he thought gay people were disgusting and that LGBT rights should not be taught in schools because he didn't want his kids to think that stuff was natural or okay.
The perfect recipe of words and wording to appear at the top of /r/thatHappened
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:31 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, I wish this was a thathappened story.
I was shocked. My coworkers were shocked. I thought he was kidding, too, at first... but he was completely serious. Didn't think this kind of stuff could happen with 20 year old kids in socal.
I mean, it sucks that he's an ignorant bigot about this. I don't care enough to argue or change his mind, I just pity him a lot. Must suck to have so much hate for people that don't even affect you.
foxh8er ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:19:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I concur, you could get ostracized for announcing you're a racist.
Try not to make it a partisan issue. A lot of us lefties are totally pissed off about the whole thing, and have no interest in politicking at children like predators.
Deadpan9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no interest in politicking at children like predators
Neither do I, but when there are meetings being held during school to organize for political reasons among the teachers, I am concerned for my child's liberty to learn without stigma.
Neither do I, but when there are meetings being held during school to organize for political reasons among the teachers, I am concerned for my child's liberty to learn without stigma.
Agreed. I'm a liberal and I have no interest in illiberal brainwashing.
But consider this: children whose parents stress honesty (with yourself and others) are often capable of recognizing when teachers are lying to them. On the other hand, having an authority figure attempt to force its poorly-justified views upon you, as a child, can often be the inspiration that pushes you to find the truth for yourself.
Ultimately, I know all parents will politicize the whole world in the process of raising their children. Few apples fall far from the tree. But the fact remains: the only way we make "progress" as a society is to avoid instilling blind partisanship in our children.
It's just for historical documentation purposes. What thin skin you have. Maybe you should put some Trumper stickers on your car too. Don't worry, it's safe.
I can't reiterate enough, put as many Trump signs in your yard as you can. You and your families will be 100% safe.
Deadpan9 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You too, edgelord!
averhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is this (((parentheses))) shit? and what is the internet harassment campaign going on against Jews? never heard of either before, and as a Jew, I feel like it's something I should know about.
When you see (((parentheses))) around someone's name online, the person doing the ((())) is announcing that the target is a Jew, and should be harassed for being a Jew.
When I was in fourth or fifth grade, and the presidental candidates were Gore and Bush, My dad told me I could tell my teacher that Al Gore could go fuck himself. Never took advantage of that one. Wish I did.
kctroway ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:04:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's sad
sloppies ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:14:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? It's meaningless to young children. Let them worry about politics when they're teens. Every young child I've seen just goes ahead & agrees with whatever their family said to believe in.
kctroway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not being allowed to talk about the state of the world, especially with your parents who are supposed to guide you and help you make sense of things, just strikes me as really sad.
I can understand if he doesn't want to talk politics because it is isn't "polite", but just to be completely forbidden to talk about the election makes me sad.
sloppies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point, but I still disagree. You'd have to approach from a completely unbiased perspective, otherwise you're just teaching them to parrot your own beliefs.
kctroway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just think that parents should instill their values on their children. If the child isn't instilled with values how would they ever be able to intelligently question those values/beliefs?
jesusice ยท 432 points ยท Posted at 17:26:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At my daughter's elementary school the kids are telling the Mexican kids that if Trump is elected he'll deport them. It's enough of a problem that the principal had to address it at the last assembly.
A girl in my sons 1st grade class only invited half of the kids, citing 'anyone that Donald Trump is going to send back' as not invited. My son was classified as a sympathizer....
And when I said something about it I got fucking crucified in Reddit.
Go figure...
H_Floyd ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:45:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really disgusting. The real tragedy is that the girl is young enough to easily be rescued from that kind of irrational fear and hatred, but unfortunately that's never likely to happen. We're born into whatever kind of household we're born into, for better or worse.
How did the invitations go out in the first place, though? Like, how was that remark even apart of it? I teach that age level, and if I had encountered this situation I would've sat the girl down and had a serious heart-to-heart. Something along the lines of, "how would you feel about not being invited to a party because you are a girl?" It doesn't take much to get kids to understand "Do Unto Others".
So I'm wondering how these invitations escaped the scrutiny of the teacher.
The kid waited until the teacher wasn't in there, because she knew she wasn't supposed to do that. And, she said it as she was giving them out. My son came home crying, and I was furious and called her a name. He goes to school and of course repeats it. I got a phone call, but the teacher was laughing at my son. She was pissed at the other kid, it was so blatantly mean and racist. My son didn't get invited because his best friend is black. The little girl got in trouble and her parents called, but the damage was done already. And it was bad, another little girl had nightmares because this same little girl had told her she would be 'thrown over the wall'.
This pisses me off. I seen a comment in r/Parenting a while back about how inviting the whole class to the kid's birthday party is just teaching the kid to be "too PC".
NO, inviting the whole class is teaching basic fucking respect and inclusion to impressionable kids. It has nothing to do with being "PC".
Well that was probably my comment... I'm telling you I was hit hard with people not agreeing with me about it. I don't care though. It shouldn't be allowed and I don't feel bad at all for speaking up. But damn, RIP my inbox on that one. It was bad...
I don't consider a single word "poor grammar" though. Language is always changing and Reddit's comment section shouldn't be held to the same standard as one's workplace.
If a person can get their point across without misunderstanding, grammar shouldn't be policed.
Sure. That's fine. Use whatever words you want to.
In my experience, the people who use poor grammar in their casual discussions do not revert to proper English in other arenas easily. Once you train your mind to use certain linguistic pathways, it will default to them regardless of environment. As an example, think of everyone who has tried and failed not to curse around their parents or other authority figures.
So no, reddit comments shouldn't be held to a high standard, but you're still going to get judged when you articulate your point poorly. As will I, when someone inevitably finds a grammar failure in this post or another one of mine.
The difference between us, apparently, is that I will be embarrassed by it.
MuttyMo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man. We are awful people. I'm in Mexico right now, and a dude I met said he would love to move to Texas with his wife and kids. Quickly followed up with: "But we don't want to take someone else's jobs." I fucking hate our country right now. We are ugly.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:25:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Brexit(or however that's spelled).
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How insightful
jwalk40 ยท 3641 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I had the most recent debate on the TV, my five year old walked in the room. He took a look, rolled his eyes, and and said, "Seriously, these guys again?"
I was watching it on my phone while laying in bed and my almost 4 year old came in for a cuddle. She watched for a bit and then said, "the man with that weird hair is really mean to that lady. But that lady looks like she is pretend nice and not real nice. I don't like this show. Who are they?" I said they were both trying to be the boss of the USA. She said, "like the guy who is the boss of Canada!! Except he looks so so handsome. I love him."
"Free icecream for everyone! No more bedtimes! Pony rides for anyone that wants one! and paint the White House pink!" Think that's about what my daughter would want. haha
Yep. Because whomever is president of the USA it's going to affect us in one way or another as well. I'm guessing Americans never care who our leadership is though. Which is a shame. Learning and knowing and understanding each other's country and how it works and runs is vital.
Yep. From the great ol U.S. here. One thing i hate bout this place is when people from other countries give there opinion about our politics and people from here (the U.S.) start saying things like you dont have an opinion, it doesnt affect you. When in reality it affects others aswell as us.
kazga ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:46:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm European and I watch them (not live though), as do some of my friends. On the one hand the POTUS office is a pretty big deal for the world, on the other it's like following a reality show. Our elections are boring compared to this.
as someone from the Rest of the world, I can assure you that the other 7 billion of us are saying the same thing. Its been entertaining, but we're starting to get sick of it now.
lydsbane ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:30:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My eight year old is very anti-Trump; my parents, unfortunately, are not. He's been trying to lecture them on their choices, the poor kid.
He found out that you have to be thirty-five to run for President. I turned thirty-five earlier this year. He told me that I should be President. I can't make this kid clean his room, how am I going to run a country?
It's fine. I don't think Trump could clean his room, so you could probably do a better job running a company than he would.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the fact that I wouldn't go around groping my staff, sure.
Note, before I get all kinds of downvotes: I know that it's speculation until he's charged, but he said this is behavior he indulges in. If he was making it up to try to become Billy Bush's best friend, being the age he was at the time? That's a little bit pathetic.
17Hongo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump: "Everybody refuses to call Sean Hannity"
Everyone else: "Well of course we do; he's a dick".
II-o-II ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 04:36:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny but it can also be really sad. I was playing Apples to Apples one time with my little brother - he was around 10 at the time (I'm much older). I was trying to help him so I asked him what cards he had. He told me one of them was a person. "I don't know who it is but I hate him." Turns out the card was Mohammed Ali. He hated him because his name was Mohammed. I was so shocked I didn't even know what to say so the moment passed but I'll never forget that. That was the moment I realized what kinds of values my dad was teaching him.
Nicdraw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He could've picked it up from a school friend too.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:54:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I doubt he knows who's influencing his own brother.
Madonski ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:39:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Dad
II-o-II ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:51:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly he is home schooled. His only influences are his family and his church. But our father makes no attempt to hide his xenophobia - it definitely came from him.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:49:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not American and only a student teacher but I had a good chuckle the other day when a student asked me if Donald Trump, Blake Obama and Hilary Duff all have to live together in the white house.
Blake can't afford a ticket to the mainland. He's still working at the surfboard rental and get to see Barrack and his family every Xmas when they visit.
Barrack: Hey, brother.
Blake: ooo, SUP! BRUH! lets get some shaved ice and hit some waveee like old timess Barry.
Possibly. But I think Blake probably moved to Phoenix initially to go to the University of Phoenix and his parents helped pay for the move back in 2003. Thats where he met that stupid skank that broke his heart Beckylynn and he moved with her to Reno. She shortly after he got there caught him sending myspace messages to high school chicks and totally went out and revenge fucked his bro Tony. Now he's just chilling, working at best buy waiting for his reality TV show idea to get picked up.
University of Phoenix doesn't have a campus. =D
And also Barry and Blake's parents passed away when they were young so it's grandma/pa whose been taking care of them. :')
Barrack: mom loves cherry shaved ice...
Blake: ...bruhh... pass me that joint
Barrack: I... am still the Pres.. Forget it, I worked enough. smoke
Blake: ...Hawaii misses you, Barry.
Barrack: I miss Hawaii too... lets get some plate lunch after this. I am ready for some Hawaiian BBQ and Mac salad.
Yeah, a nice plate of Hawaiian bbq with short ribs, chicken, and fried manhi manhi with a large side of mac salad with some black pepper on it... man, i want a plate too
Yo, the name's Blakey O, and I rock the tele. I'm half Joe Camel and a third Fonzarelli. I'm the kung fu hippie from gangster city. I'm a rappin' surfer, you the fool I pity!
saemi27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake in the House is my favorite anime.
Ulftar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zany hijinks ensue when they have to move in with a straight edge Mormon roommate!
dpkonofa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the Stefan Urkel version of Barack... You know the US Government has spent years and billions of dollars creating that machine... Illuminati. 420 Blazeit.
Cory in the house will always remain my favorite anime though
2rio2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama and Hillary as the cool dad and the mom who just doesn't get it of America. Trump as our rich, crazy, racist uncle who lives in the attic. Diamond Joe Biden as our next door neighbor who sneaks us beer and cigarettes to "grow some hair on our chest"
infez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that was Lindsay Lohan and maybe Amanda Bynes you're thinking of. Hilary Duff is still a relatively good influence. At the very least, she hasn't cracked.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that anyone under the age of 13 today has heard of Hillary Duff.
-d0ubt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:15:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when I used to watch 'The Suite Life of Zack and Cody' there was an episode where they went into the future and Hillary was president and it was all apocalyptic. I was like 8 and I'm not American so the only Hillary I'd heard of was Hillary Duff so I thought it was some weird joke. I only remembered recently and realised how messed up that was in a show targeted towards kids.
Poor Hilary Duff. At least people still remember her name.
Beiki ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Obama first ran for president I was doing a Constitution Day presentation to an eighth grade class. I asked them who was the oldest delegate at the Constitutional Convention and one of them said John McCain. I wish I was that witty in 8th grade.
She watched the Lizzie McGuire movie and is ten and therefore doesn't know much about American politics. Jesus, it's like I've created a conspiracy theory here
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would totally watch this, if this was a show. Donald Trump, Obama pretending to be a skater bro from the 90s, and Hilary Duff, all living together like Big Brother.
If Clinton wins it will be the first time in U.S. history ( that we know of ) that two presidents slept together. If Trump wins it will be the first time a billionaire will move into a house previously owned by a black man.
Not a teacher, but my sister in law is a 9th grade government teacher.
She asked her students what it meant to be president, and got a few "Build a wall!" responses. She is great with the kids smart ass answers, and responded "Infrastructure, very good". She has mentioned before that it's a very uncomfortable time to be a government teacher because she cannot show even a slight bias to any candidate or party without possibility of being fired or at least reprimanded.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:06:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My teacher was very up front about what she believes, but didn't care what we believed as long as we could defend it and even if we couldn't, she just wanted us to do our own research.
I really liked that style because we were treated like adults, I hope it's not completely down the drain now.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 11:50:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did she say she wanted Hillary to win because she's part of a teacher's union and or did she have some other excuse?
Bullshit, if she can get fired over talking about an candidate that is an amazing school. My highschool Texas, they shove the republican so far down my throat the dems gave me a free handjob for getting face fucked
Fikkia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:04:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about hating them equally?
XesEri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what's going on in my school as well. We have a required 12th grade civics/econ class (so you can imagine the kind of people in the class), and the teacher is fairly vocal about being a democrat. He says openly that it's to warn us that he may be biased one way or another.
He's already gotten a bunch of complaints that "he says Hillary won the debate because he likes her as a candidate" and things like that. Some of it doesn't make sense at all ("he's mad today because he's a Hillary supporter and she lost the debate") yet the office still gets calls about it.
Sucks that it so easy to fire teachers in the states.
hitops1 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:04:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's nearly impossible to for teachers in most areas of the states. They have one or the lowest rates of firing of any profession. This is part of the problem.
I worked in a state with no teacher's unions. Principals whined all the time how hard it was to get rid of people. Yet whenever I served on an evaulation committee, which was me and a principal, I would do all the required documentation and observations and the principal would show up on the last day of the observation period and watch for 5 minutes. No, you should not be able to fire someone if you can't be bothered to set foot in their classroom and actually watch them do their job. If you follow the process, it's not that hard.
"Really," Romero said in Spanish. "He looks a lot like Villalta. What does the drunken one do?"
"Nothing."
"Is that why he drinks?"
"No. He's waiting to marry this lady."
"Tell him bulls have no balls!" Mike shouted, very drunk, from the other end of the table.
"What does he say?"
"He's drunk."
"Jake," Mike called. "Tell him bulls have no balls!"
"You understand?" I said.
"Yes."
I was sure he didn't, so it was all right.
This actually raises an interesting point... if you don't have a dick, can you just walk around naked? Can they arrest you for indecent exposure if you don't have genitals?
I came across a similar misunderstanding when Netflix released The Ridiculous Six. My wife passed the living room and asked what I was watching. A little ashamed, I mumbled the title. "What? Dickless sex?" was her response.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:09:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
17Hongo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adam Hills has this fantastic story about his Gran: apparently when she was getting a bit older she started going deaf. Which wasn't that much of an issue, until during a Christmas church service the reverend says "We will now sing the Christmas carol 'Deck the Halls'".
His gran gets rather worked up at this, saying "I've never sung that before in my life! What sort of a carol is that?".
Adam and his family are all saying "What do you mean? You've sung it loads of times!".
His gran adamantly denies it, stating "No I haven't! I've never sung 'Dick the Horse'!".
[deleted] ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 19:06:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm so glad your friend asked the boy what he meant, instead of just chiding him for saying something that sounded rude. Your friend is a good teacher :)
Also, the way he acta, I would not be surprised if Trump is practically dickless.
northbud ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:01:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is funny because most of the time building giant structures is seen as an analogue to giant dicks.
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend said that way back in the early 80s, his little brother came home one day from kindergarten and told his mom that another boy said a bad word. His mother asked him what the boy said, his brother was reluctant but finally said "it was snack time, and [boy] said "These crackers taste like fucking dog shit"
1 Canadian Year = 4.5 Danish Years
0.25 Danish Years = 14 Elf Years
800 Elf Years = 1 Yoda Year
4000 Yoda Years = 10.5 Mel Gibson Year
69 Mel Gibson Years = 0.000314i American Year
As a fellow Canadian, I was watching tv with my son and a commercial for the History Channel came on, cue image of Hitler.
My son, "Is that Hillary Clinton?"
Me, to wife, "Honey, Your son is turning into your father."
pyronius ยท 197 points ยท Posted at 23:18:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont believe you because the history channel woukd never play anything about WWII. These days its all about pitbulls, midgets, and secret alien layers beneath the pyramids.
I remember when the history channel was basically the WWII channel. I worked in a nursing home at the time and witnessed an old man see a much younger version of himself. It was a really intense moment of realization for me.
"Donald Trump is an incompetent bragart that will be sidelined by congress meaning America's democracy will flourish. Hillary has committed the worst case of treason ever seen in the U.S and will continue and expand the rotten core of corruption and fascistic behaviour that is becoming American politics."
Seems more plausible.
I vote ineffective moron over effective villain any day of the week. The biggest decider for you all should be "who is the most capable?" Then pick the other.
Why are you turning this into an actual political thing
Especially when your opinion is that stupid
How is Trump going to be sidelined when the House is 100% guaranteed to be Republican and the Senate has at least a 50-50 chance of being Republican
They'll use him to appoint conservative justices and overturn Roe v Wade and gay marriage and implement all the socially backwards shit they've wanted for years, and he'll try to fight the whole Middle East (I mean, shit, did you not hear him say he'd fucking first strike Iran?) while continuing to fellate Putin
Meanwhile, Hillary has been investigated for 30 years by angry republicans who have spent a billion dollars on trying to find criminal activity and they couldn't find shit
I'm gonna go ahead and trust the woman who doesn't hate me for my skin color over the asshole who hates everyone who isn't white and straight and only values women based on how attractive and receptive to sexual assault they are
Let's be clear here. Trump does not really have republican support, he may as well be an independent candidate. He actually has several leftwing policies that out do even the Democrats at their best. Name one racist sentence or policy he advocates?
In theory trump will be a figurehead and republicans can finally start cleaning the system as the congressional oversight commitee takes centre stage. His few policies will sideline himself leaving the country under the control of what I consider to be fairly ethical guidance. Ignore him and vote for congressional oversight.
And that's going to stop them from approving his justices when they're anti-gay and anti-abortion? Fuck no, they'll work with him on that and his other conservative positions
He actually has several leftwing policies that out do even the Democrats at their best.
Name them
Name one racist sentence or policy he advocates?
Stop and frisk
The wall
Banning Muslims from entering the US
Gee that was easy
In theory trump will be a figurehead and republicans can finally start cleaning the system as the congressional oversight commitee takes centre stage. His few policies will sideline himself leaving the country under the control of what I consider to be fairly ethical guidance. Ignore him and vote for congressional oversight.
In practice, they're going to use him to push the positions they agree on and then block him from doing things they don't agree with, like spending 20 billion dollars to build a wall
I'm sick of the anti gay stuff. The Supreme Court ruled on it, marriage is legal. Maybe they'll say that if a bakery doesn't want to make a cake for a pride parade, they don't have to. But they're not going to repeal gay marriage or anything, calm the fuck down. And honestly, I'd be surprised if the Republicans retained both houses.
That's not stopping republicans from trying to get Roe v Wade looked at again, why do you think it's gonna stop them changing something as recent as this
Maybe they'll say that if a bakery doesn't want to make a cake for a pride parade, they don't have to
And inevitably that'll get stretched into freedom of religion which will be used to deny all services to gay people
Okay, so let's assume that we live in a capitalist system, which we do. And in this system, people can create businesses, and try and make money. People can also choose which business to give their money to in exchange for products. If they don't like a business, for whatever reason, they don't have to serve them. And if one shop says they don't want to serve gays, well, in this age of social media, it's probably the death of that shop. The businesses, just like the people will do what they will, and as long as they aren't actually trying to cause harm to others, which they aren't in this scenario, then they are free to do what they wish. Now, if you say that I am wrong in this, then you are by extension supporting the very same Republicans you've probably accused of being islamophobic. You say we have to accommodate people who are different, yet force others to ignore their different beliefs in order to accommodate other groups, essentially making a hierarchy of minorities.
this argument is utter bullshit because in places like the south homophobia is rampant and so basically you're saying "sucks to be you, shouldn't have lived somewhere homophobic if you wanted to be able to buy things"
You say we have to accommodate people who are different, yet force others to ignore their different beliefs in order to accommodate other groups, essentially making a hierarchy of minorities.
Are you fucking joking
This is such a terrible false equivalency that I don't even know how to argue with it because it's actual nonsense
Please. In the grocery store, do you go to the cashier and say "hello, I'm gay, now serve me?" it is only an issue in places like that when you want it to become an issue.
Have you ever actually been to "the south?" also, what do you define as "the south?" because I've been to a lot of southern States, and literally nobody gives a fuck as long as nobody is obnoxious or rude about it. Which is true for basically every cause, in every place.
It without a doubt means you're saying that a gay person's right to not go to the agnostic bakery next door and instead forcibly patronize the Christian bakery is more important than someone's right to have their own beliefs as an individual.
Stop and frisk targets black and brown people disproportionately
The wall is fearmongering against Mexicans
Banning Muslims would essentially come down to banning anyone who looks Arab, you know they're never going to test white people to check their religion
They're all racist
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wall is nowhere near "fearmongering against mexicans." the wall would be there to stop illegal immigration and drug cartels from trafficking into the US. There is nothing at all stopping Mexicans from immigrating here through LEGAL channels.
"They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Yeah ok
It's literally just feamongering about how the scary brown people bring crime
Trump already walked back on his "banning muslims" from countries on the terror watch list. It has since been downgraded to "extreme vetting" from the countries on that list.
Because he got called out on how fucking racist this is
And when you add in all the racist statements he's made and the racist things he's done (Central park 5, renting refusal, casino policies), he's clearly racist
You wanna know how stats can be used to lie? Take this for example - "Black people commit more crime than white people"
You can quote crime statistics and prove that black people are inherently criminals, except that's bullshit - they get stopped/investigated more often, they get sentenced for things white people can get away with, they generally have lower incomes making them more likely to commit crime, but that doesn't mean they're inherently criminals; their circumstances simply make them more likely to be arrested
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:05:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you don't think there's any implicit bias in that? You've never seen people shy away from a black man in a hoodie at night while ignoring white guys in hoodies?
As for your thing on how stop and frisk should be implemented, observing someone selling drugs or acting violently is already enough reason to make an arrest so I have no clue how that's relevant
And finally, while he may have been praised by Rev. Jackson 20 years back, today Jackson says he is not the same man. He's clearly not pro-LGBT now, considering he wants to overturn the supreme court decision allowing them to marry
Thank god Trump is trailing behind Hillary massively, in 1 month I can finally be done with listening to bullshit about how he's somehow okay and not a blight upon america
If dont take that back I swear to God you will rue the fucking day. I will tear your spleen from your torso, shove them in your ears, wiggle them around to liquify what is left of your peanut brain, and drain it out. I will then pour it down your throat, stick a pike down, and throw a match in. You will rue the fucking day.
The taste can vary depending on the seller, some had weird food colours that were bitter.
Have you ever had a glazed donut? It tastes a lot like the glaze itself, but has a stronger vanilla + butter taste. Kind of like butterscotch, if you've ever had that before. Basically it's a candy that tastes strongly of sugar glaze with a hint of butterscotch, from my memory.
My 8 year old nephew told me the other day that "Trump is a very bad person". He normally likes villains, he even "voted" for Mitt Romney at school because my sister told him he wasn't a nice guy. But Trump... Nephew does not like him.
Unfortunately "secret emails" doesn't really do it justice whereas "hates women" is a bit unfair. Still impressive though.
EDIT: I mean... biases aside guys. Is "secret emails" really the same to a child as "hates women"? A child understands that its wrong to hate an entire gender of human beings. But does a child get that these "secret emails" are highly illegal to possess? Difference is that "secret emails" is selling the truth short and "hates women" is a straight up fabrication. I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm not a Hillary supporter. I think they're both lunatics. But I'm just being fair here. Unlike you guys.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:57:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher, but I worked at a summer camp this past summer with kids from ages 7-10, and it was a very expensive camp, so some of the parents were more conservative. When an older camper (16-17) made a trump joke, this kid (8) said "hey don't make fun of trump! He's going to make America great again and kick out the Mexicans!".
[deleted] ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 18:11:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... why was there a 16-17 year old camper at a camp for 7-10 year olds?
The kids could be really annoying, but it was so much fun. I don't want to give away what camp it is, but it's in a really nice area so days and nights off were a lot of fun. None of the kids punched me in the dick though, but one jumped on my shoulders when I had an awful sunburn, which was very painful
Dykam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of summer camp is nearby lots of fun? I worked at one a few summers ago and the only thing nearby was a bar fitting 5 people.
I now wish I went there again this time. It was a rich kid camp, and I would've enjoyed messing with their political, eh, idea's.
Would've loved to be back in general... Most of the kids are great there. Except that guy who tried to have me let him off the bus by offering me $20, you spoiled fuck.
23drag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:47:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mate you should of said 10x it if there rich they probs have that as a napkin, could've been a littler earner.
Dykam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was after 7 weeks of camp, their wallet ran out. Could've tried 3x.
J/k. They asked the wrong person, as I was probably the only non-college-kid in the group of counselors.
23drag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well thats just bad planing if your gonna bribe somehow atleast bribe the poor uni kid hahaha
The camp has over 300 campers at a time. There is a program for the high school age campers to become counselors when they turn 18 so they accept kids between the ages of 7-13, with the ages 14-17 all for the junior counselor program. Kids of all ages can be in certain activities with each other, others are age limited. They all live in different cabins though
I'm pretty sure I worked at the same camp as you, but a couple years back. You were a counselor for the "big hairy chested men" aka junior scouts? If so, Trump's niece/nephew were campers there while I was a counselor and even they thought he was a jerk.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:22:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have none of you all seen wet hot American summer. Those camp counsellors are around the age of 17-19. You all need to move past the fact that not everyone at a summer camp is there just for the summer camp activities. I have already seen 3 people ask why a 17 year old would be there. We don't just send 7-10 year olds off to camp with no one to watch them.
Oh shit. Then yeah now I'm asking as well. Why such old ass campers.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:23:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably so they can become camp counselors when they turn 18. It's probably better than telling 10 year olds to come back in 8 years to be a counselor.
CIT programs. Counselor In Training. 16 and 17 year old campers who have been going every year for their whole childhood get to come again and see all their best friends they sometimes don't get to see all year long. They get a mixture of practicing learning to be Counselors and getting to do their own canoe trips, etc. They love being there and get some real (supervised) responsibility and the camp gets dedicated, loyal, pre-trained counselors who will likely work there the next two or three summers after graduating High School.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:34:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I think the camp is for many different ages, but OP worked with the 7-10 year olds
It was just an observation of mine. Trump stickers and that kind of thing on the cars dropping the kids off. Almost all the families ranged from well off to stupidly wealthy and after talking to parents and kids, it seemed like most of them were more conservative. I'm not saying most wealthy people in general are conservative, but just the ones at the camp were
The worst part was the kids parents worked at the camp (as upper staff, not counselors like me) ... so the parents of the kid who was clearly indoctrinated by his parents pretty much. No matter what your political views, you shouldn't do that to your kids.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Ironic of you two to talk about "indoctrination".
skyvex1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the real though, they push the "never hit a camper" thing really hard before the campers get there and I always thought "pssh, I would never hit a kid" but after 5 of the 7 weeks I was there with the kids, wew. I would have loved to because they were so annoying sometimes
Ok, now I'm sure we worked at the same camp... I still vividly remember that pretty weird dude M.H. saying never hit a camper over and over while trying to make eye contact with all the 80+ counselors.
Trump has so much to be proud of. I can only imagine this is what it was like when kids were scrambling to sign up for the Hitler Youth. Oh to be young and to believe!
Umikaloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a camp in Canada, even the hicks don't believe in Donald Trump
appa311 ยท 11781 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This is high school but one kid said Hillary Clinton did not have much experience in office because she was just a secretary
Edit-this was in Canada so that might be why the kid did not know
2nd edit- like fifty people have already said the "since you were his secretary how did Obama like his coffee I bet it was like him weak" so if you thought of it you're too late
QuietsYou ยท 3420 points ยท Posted at 16:59:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
songbolt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The AAPM: "They're not medical physics assistants: They're medical physicist assistants."
The Catholic Church (on lay people handing out the Body of Christ): "They're not Eucharistic Ministers: They're Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. Only the priests are Eucharistic Ministers."
That's stupid, secretaries have tons of experience working in an office
Yes, but does she have experience with offices that are ovoid rather than rectangular? You can't just expect that this sort of experience transfers laterally.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:37:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I disagree with Hillary Clinton on things, nobody can say she doesn't have the experience to back her up. Law school and beyond... she has a lot of very varied experience.
Trump, on the other hand, was at the top of his class at clown college.
I mean, if they haven't been educated on American governmental positions (as this was in Canada), they may not know that Secretary of _______ = Minister of ______.
In high school a friend liked to say his dad was a secretary. His dad had an undergrad princeton degree and a mba from harvard and they lived in a big house. Its good to be on the board of a major oil company and be the secretary.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She might be just a secretary, but wait until you see how many times she hits the delete button per minute!
I was in 10th grade during the 2008 election. All I heard all the damn time was how "we'll get into a war once a month" because Hillary is a woman. High schoolers are fucked up.
My non-native English speaker wife said something like this. "She went from Senator to Obama's secretary, how can she be qualified for president if she got demoted?" Thankfully she is on the Trump Train (no brakes, folks) for other reasons, including Trump's relative lack of corruption (he ain't perfect, I'll admit!) and crass but nonetheless say-it-like-it-really-is attitude.
8th grade, not elementary school. Students are researching the candidates/issues for a project. When they found out that Trump is 25 years older than his wife, they asked "doesn't that make him a pedophile?" They did not seem to buy my response that he's not, since she's an adult. Apparently, 13 year olds think that a 25 year age difference is just too much.
My boyfriend did the math when one of his friends said "she could be your daughter" to him, he didn't have sex until he was 16 so he was in the all clear hahaha. I like this rule.
Think of it a different way then: She's about 30% younger. So a 30 year old dating a 20 year old. I mean, it's a bit weird, but I've seen it happen a few times, usually women seeking men with established careers.
Or supermodels looking to spend a billionaires money
Kingbuji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to spend it without working.
Pahk0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean in my mind that establishes it more firmly as weird. A college sophomore/junior dating a 30-year-old is pretty weird. It gets less weird the older you get so you probably should've gone the other way.
My boyfriend is 18 years older than me (I'm 32 and he turned 50 10 days ago) and honestly in the 4 years of our relationship, the age difference has been an interesting dynamic to work around. But not really a problem. However if 18 years is significant, I can't even imagine 25 years. That seems tough.
s100181 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once dated a guy 17 years older than me and that age gap was massive, I cannot imagine 25.
Actually, that's not even necessary. Which do you prefer currently....45 year old women or 20 year old women? Whether you think it will or not, that's not really going to change over the next 20 years.
Not to disparage women of a certain age, but man's attraction to younger women is as old as time immortal. As is a woman's attraction to older men with means.
Okcupid's research is clear, the most attractive women were the minimum age they presented (20) to men of all ages, and women were attracted to men on average 5 years older than themselves.
Even 10 years is too much, IMO. Assuming you're in it for the long haul and not just having some fun, a 10 year difference means one person's 55 while the other's 45. The 55 year old has hit menopause or probably become reliant on prescription assistance while the 45 year old is still reasonably healthy. Not to mention, aging starts hitting most people pretty hard once they get into their 50's. Old wrinkly bits...
LoLjoux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if the two people love each other and can see past the age differences, and aren't too shallow to ignore some wrinkles, who are you to say it's wrong? Not saying this is the case for Trump, but as you get older age gaps become more and more meaningless
Oh, I'm not saying it's wrong. As long as it's between two consenting adults, I couldn't care less how big or small the age gap is.
I'm just saying I don't think it's a good idea until you're both getting on there in years. There's a substantial physical difference between a 35 and 45 year old, a 45 and 55, etc.
My buddy actually has a formula for this. Half the age and add 7 and that's how young the partner can be without being taboo. Quick google search says he's 70, which already tells me I maybe don't want him in office based on age and how quickly his health CAN deteriorate, but I digress. Half of seventy is 35, plus seven is 42. It's an age difference of about 28 years, so it fits, but at the time they got hitched it was a little weird
_pH_ ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:44:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You failed to specify a currency, by using Zimbabwe dollars which before being de-currencied were 300 trillion per 1 usd, you can now be a pedo for $200 million and have an 18 year old for $0.33
I suspect that's what happened, with Zimbabwean trillionaires buying virgins to cure themselves of AIDS. Not specifying a currency but keeping the same rule explains a lot of countries.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whoa
offensive
you couldn't think of any other pedophile? jeez man it's not a religious issue
i'm sorry
i can't
i'm sorry
triggered
jokes aside i'd like to let you know i'm actually brown, and i would appreciate it if you saw me as a person like you because being viewed as an outsider in my own country for something out of my control just doesn't feel good. the islamophobia affects me even if i'm not muslim because people don't see me as one of them and i don't even have the privilege of being able to connect with people the same way they may with other white folks and getting called a terrorist or having allahu akbar shouted at me by strangers gets old real quick.
maybe this is a stupid response and not going to stick but I just thought I'd express that if you care.
Well the age of 9 reminded me of Muhammed 9 year old wife. should it have said 13 i would have named Roman Polanski.
Its reddit so i take very little things in most threads seriously. I see everyone as i see myself and hold no prejudices. Every muslim or follower of islam i have ever met were kind and generous people. Even with that i try to judge every person by thier actions rather than anything else, but on a site where jokes about having sex with dead bodies are not strange, i just type what ever comes to my mind at that moment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the equation is only about creepiness in general. It doesn't account for a party having tons of money and making it more palatable to the other party.
Effectively, the formula is like Newtonian physics in that it works fine until you reach certain extremes, and having millions is one such extreme.
Say you're 40 years old. How young a person can you date without it being socially questionable? There is no "official" answer, but everyone wants one, so .... take half of your age and add 7. (40 / 2) + 7. That's the answer according to this metric. At age 40, the youngest person you can date is 27.
EDIT: Things break down (and the cringe-inducing jokes start) when the person running the numbers is too young. For example, assuming the age of consent is 18 in your area, you wouldn't want to use the "half plus seven" rule if you were younger than 22. So it's really meant as a guideline for older people, say >= 30 years old.
I wanted to add to this. I've seen it as a joke for younger than 18 is too young legally and socially stop asking. In my state there is a four year clause around the age of consent. So a 17 year old and 19 year old can date. Theoretically, a 17 year old and one month can date a 21 year old and no months.
So where I see the joke, once you hit 22, (22/2) + 7 = 18. So I see it is stop asking you weirdo and only date 18+ if you're 18+ (22+).
There is a theory that relationships work better between people who are close to the same age. How close?
The younger one has to be at least half the older one's age plus 7.
Under this theory a 30 year old could date a 22 year old but not a 21 or younger.
A 50 year old could date someone 32 but no younger.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol reminds me of 'The Christmas Song' where they say "So I'm offering this simple phrase, To kids from 1 to 92". I always picture a 93 year old man crying with his wife with christmas decor in the living room just hoping, with a sliver of hope, that Berry Manilow will fulfill their Christmas desires. Alas he does not.
Adinida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
idk why I sang that comment in my head only to stop singing it halfway through to realizing it wasn't a song
Wikipedia says 1901, but I was guessing that most people heard it from How I Met Your Mother recently. It's probably a stupid guess and would be hard to track anyway
ggouge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's half plus 8 at least in my house it is.
nbd712 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's cause the older you get, the more "room" you have
Like if you're 60, then you're strike zone is 37 and up. 30 is 22 and up. It's a pretty big for older people, so it can seem pretty gross for some. On the flip side, a 22 year old has 18 and up, so for younger people it works better
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's such an arbitrary rule. According to that rule my boyfriend and I shouldn't have been dating till this year. We've been together for five now, and I wouldn't want anyone else but him.
If it works out works and is no one else choice about it. As long as they are of age, of course.
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:41:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I can appreciate the fucked up ness of it.
Im 20 now, so, the person id be fucking wont be born for another 5 years?! Or they are 45, i.e. the same age as my parents.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:33:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How's it fucked up for two consenting adults to love each other? You're just immature
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:11:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I'm immature? Yet here you are unable to distinguish the law from ethics.
Your definition of adult is arbitrary. You're saying its not fucked up for an 18 year old to be with a 43 year old?
Perhaps if she were 17 and he were 42 youd suddenly have a problem with it?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see what is unethical about two consenting adults marrying each other. Is it kinda strange if that gap is there? Sure, but a 25 year old is as much of an adult (Not nearly as wise, mind you) as a 50 year old.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, I wouldn't say anything if thats the only thing he has done. Its not though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lay it on me fam
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean come on just look at the way he talks about his daughter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lay it on me fam
I did see one segment from one of those late night talk shows, but I think that all of those comments weren't that creepy, and I'm pretty sure I remember the host saying "Ok, of course Donald Trump doesn't want to fuck his daughter, but that sounded creepy, right?"
I don't really think the "piece of ass" bit on Howard Stern was bad either. Ivanka was grown at the time, Donald didn't get into it like "yeah I wanna fuck her dude," he just agreed that his daughter was very beautiful and the two moved along with the program.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok well it didn't feel right to me. I'm not going to try to convince you, I'm just saying a lot of what he has said doesn't make me think favorably of him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, alright my man. Have a good day dude
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I'm saying it's not fucked up for an 18 year old to be with a 43 year old. Sorry you're too immature to rationalize that.
SeeShark ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:01:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I think it's easy to see how a 13-year-old wouldn't comprehend that. They can tell when someone is a year older than them. For them, a 3-year difference is too much.
it's not hard to have a 13-year-old understand 'people are people', but it might not convince then that it's not gross. though i'd be surprised if they could think trump+anyone is not gross. or anyone over 30 + anyone else.
robeph ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stay out of /r/relationship_advice with that attitude, 6 or 7 years older and something is wrong with the guy according to a large number of the posters there.
I made a comment once in response to a post about me, 37 and my girlfriend 27 addressing the OP and instead I was inundated with people questioning why I don't date someone my own age...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
6 or 7 years older and something is wrong with the guy according to a large number of the posters there.
Well, because most of the time they're talking about relationships where one person is 18 and the other is 25. That's way different from something like 37 and 30.
robeph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I'd see anything wrong with that either. Plenty of students at university have that exact spread between the two with no problems. Undergrad and first term grad students date all the time with nothing amiss. This is quite a new thing to be quite honest. When I was 19 I dated a master's student who was 25. No one thought a thing of it.
Even if you're right however. They spoke on my specific comment about my own as if I was weird for this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such a big difference used to be more common back when ideas about gender roles in relationships were way different. In modern society people rightly question how two people of such different life experiences and life situations can be on equal footing. That's not to say it's impossible or never happens, but in general it's kind of questionable. I can't imagine dating someone who couldn't go to a bar for three more years when I was 25.
robeph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gender roles in relationships were something that haven't changed much in the last 20 very years. Regardless of what the kids today seem to think. When I was in my 20s women were no less the role seen today. It happens a lot except for people who seem to be quite vocal about it. My guess is that they're not particularly worldly and have little experience at the over 18 way of life in the real world beyond their internet teen culture. It isn't closed mindedness it's just ignorance of the way things are. A college student dating another even if 5, 8, or even 10 their senior, regardless of which side is male or the female, or otherwise, is completely normal.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:21:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Want to know why? Single women that age are either desperate harpies (divorced once or twice over with 2 or 3 kids), or "free spirit adventurers" who are actually social climbers with 3 liberal arts degrees and 2 dogs (because kids would prevent them from going to Italy for the 4th time).
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah - I mean, it's not twisted or anything, but it's a bit weird.
dwana49 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 17:09:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also can we talk about how Trump is literally 70 years old? I was looking him up on Wikipedia for some reason, saw that and my jaw hit the floor. I actually just looked it up again before I commented because I'm still not sure I believe it
"I will say this about Hillary. She doesn't quit. She doesn't give up. I respect that. I tell it like it is. She's a fighter. I disagree with much of what she's fighting for. I do disagree with her judgment in many cases. But she does fight hard, and she doesn't quit, and she doesn't give up. And I consider that to be a very good trait."
dwana49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that's about what I had in mind for her. They talked so much about her being a grandma, that's an age that makes sense then.
But Trump, I thought he would be like 54 or something. I always just assumed the wrinkles were a byproduct from too much time in the orangeing booth and he was nicely middle-aged. Never imagined he would be within two years of Bernie!
Trump has already indicated that he does not intend to fulfill the duty of the Presidency. If Trump wins Pence will become the most powerful VP in American history (far more so than Cheney).
....Can he do that? I feel like if you're elected then you're obligated to do your job, but then again, a lot of we elect into the government seem do be spending their days watching paint dry.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:11:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically the president only has a handful of duties, he can just sign whatever congress passes or get a stamp with his signature and give it to Pence, and he has to write a state of the union letter to congress once a year which doesn't have any specific requirements (it doesn't even really have to be a speech).
No president has ever done the bare minimum because we have not yet ever elected a lazy idiot to the highest office.
John Kasich alleged that Trump's people reached out to him to offer him the VP position and essentially said that Trump just wanted the title and Kasich could be "the most powerful VP in history" and in charge of both foreign and domestic policy.
Trump's people deny that any such offer or characterizations were made. But that's what the other poster was referencing I assume.
Raxal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention he's overweight and has a long history of health problems.
Raxal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's slightly overweight at 236 pounds and takes a Statin in order to lower cholesteral, IIRC, and he's five pounds away from being considered outright obese for his height. He also has a family history of heart problems and a personal history of really shitty eating habits that he is proud of.
In fact, he only recently started saying he's 6'3 which would put him in the overweight range.. Unless he had a growth spurt at the age of 70, he's probably closer to his more commonly recorded height of 6'2, which would make him obese by BMI standards. Of course, BMI is not a good judge of an individual's health, but his poor diet and admitted lack of exercise should discount common false positives like high muscle mass.
Raxal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much this, yeah. Although he doesn't seem that tall when I've seen him on camera, that's interesting to know actually.
Yeah...I wouldn't worry about either one of them lasting another 8 years, unless the shock of losing kills one of them. Also they're both rich and rich people have much longer lifespans...Yay?
I know right? The man looks like he's in his 50s easily. Same thing with actors man, they can afford to look 30 when they're actually 55, it's all about that cash money.
Not necessarily depending on his trial in December
Bahamute ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even then it wouldn't be pedophilia as that only applies to the attraction to prepubescent children (up to ages 10-12). The Miss America contestants were older than that.
Can I just ask how many fucking times you're going to reply to me with the exact same comment, but with another couple paragraphs tacked on? You've done it 3 times already
Here's my stance - fucking anyone who's underage is wrong except if you're within a year or two of their age
I don't give even the slightest shit what the proper terminology is, and I don't hate pedos who don't ever act on their urges, just, you know, the child rapists and sex offenders
Pedophiles and ephebophiles are both disgusting and wrong, adults should not fuck kids nor should they fuck teenagers
If you're 30 and still going for 16-19 year olds you're disgusting, IMO, regardless of the law
The case against Trump that I mentioned involved him, as an old man, fucking a 13 year old
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The law agrees with you, having sex with people under-age is indeed illegal. That's why they set the age of consent to 16, so that it's improbable that the person has not gone through puberty.
Our legal age is 18 here. What you're doing is confusing legal age with age of consent. Yes, you'd be considered gross if you were 30 and dated a 16 year old, but it would be legal.
But one important caveat; since a 16 year old is not legal age, the parents would still be able to make decisions for them and not allow them to date the 30 year old.
But the disgusting part is where you're placing lots of entirely legal relationship under the pedo label just because your country has age of consent the same as your legal age. Sex offender is not the same as pedophile.
Our legal age is 18 here. What you're doing is confusing legal age with age of consent. Yes, you'd be considered gross if you were 30 and dated a 16 year old, but it would be legal.
I'm not confused at all, I didn't say it was illegal, I said it was disgusting and wrong. Law is not morality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The recent sexual harassment allegations do claim that he on several occasions barged into Miss America dressing rooms where underage girls were changing.
Bahamute ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That may be true, but it's not pedophilia as that only applies to the attraction to prepubescent children (up to ages 10-12). The Miss America contestants were older than that.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:51:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
redworm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:16:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok. Well I'm speaking in more general terms. If I'm 25 and want to date a 50 year old woman or if I want to date a 25 year old woman when I'm 50 there's absolutely nothing wrong with either situation as long as both of us consent to it.
It's about the experience gap, which is huge. One of the reasons we don't let 25 year olds date 15 year olds is that the older person has far more life experience, so it's very easy for them (intentionally or no) to take advantage of the younger one.
I'm not going to try and tell consenting adults who they can and can't date, but huge age gaps do make me uncomfortable.
Some people find it icky and wouldn't personally want to do that stuff, so it must be wrong for anyone else to do it, too.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:31:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not it at all. It's just hard to comprehend how two people in such drastically different places in their personal lives and with such drastically different life experiences could form a successful couple. Sure, it can happen. But you'll notice it's pretty rare unless money is involved.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it may not work 100 percent of the time. Either way it's not wrong. Most relationships don't work.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are also (I assume) much less famous than he is, and fame opens doors that debt would keep closed for the average citizen.
When one person is much older and famous/wealthy/powerful + male, there is a power imbalance. That's just the facts of the matter, and everyone pointing out it's legal and "they're consenting" is missing the nuance of the situation.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it not a little much? I mean that's kind of gross.
jlharper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 21, I can confirm that a 25 year age difference is too much. I probably wouldn't fuck a 46 year old, and I'm definitely not going down on a -5 year old!
A colleague wrote a Project Based Learning unit for the election, which is what we're using. The students are researching the issues and candidates and are going to produce "news broadcasts" the week before the election. They're pretending to be reporters and their job is to help their viewers be informed voters. We've never done this project before, but it seems like it's going well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately sometimes these days Americans marry their own Grandpas and too many older female teachers are hooking up with young students...they're not always wrong
bjb406 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See if they still think so when they're Trump's age
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FYI in Ontario at least, elementary extends to grade eight. Unless the grades are physically located in a high school building, on which case it's jr high. It's weird.
But usually you have k-8 and 9-12 in two buildings, elementary and high.
"No, that doesn't make him a pedophile. His penchant for walking in on half-naked fifteen-year-olds does. Also his statements that he doesn't have an age limit - well, but like, he isn't interested in for example twelve-year-olds. Also his creepy barely-veiled attraction to his daughter isn't helping his case, either."
Rashaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, 13 year olds think that a 25 year age difference is just too much.
Well he has been charged with molesting a thirteen year old. And has said many creepy things about young girls...I say their pedofile remark is on the money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom and step dad started school on the same day. She started college, he started elementary school. So, yeah for cradle robbers!
damnrite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they might be browsing the /r/politics way too much
838h920 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if they were to marry someone 25 years younger than them, then they would need to wait as much as they already lived for their partner to be born...
When I was in grade 8 I was convinced I'd marry Johnny Depp, who is 27 years older than me. I feel like 13 is old enough to understand a large age difference in adult relationships. I'm not commenting on if it's weird or not, just saying that at 13 I was very, very well aware of that type of relationship.
To be fair, he does have to go to trial for possibly fucking a 13 year old and he was very good friends with Epstein, a convicted pedo, even saying something along the lines of "terrific guy, he loves women, he likes them young"
skyvex1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, that's quite a huge age gap. Most people's maximum acceptances at marriages would be 10 years at the most.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently, 13 year olds think that a 25 year age difference is just too much.
I mean, it kind of is. Not that it can't work or anything, but people who grew up 25 years apart have just had completely different life experiences and are in totally different places in their own lives. You rarely see that big of a difference unless money or power is involved.
That word gets thrown around a lot at my school. And, no, it's not directed at people older than them. It's directed at pretty much everyone, regardless of their age. For example, if a girl 16 year old girl catches a 12 year old boy looking at her ass, she'll shout "pedophile" at him.
Npr in the morning every other word is Trump or Hilary Clinton. Even in shit that is about medicine or technology or folk music they try to slip one in there.
NPR: Your home for obviously biased echo chambered 2016 election coverage, I'm Dave Mattingly
I'm American and I definitely am, especially considering I'm gay and most of my friends are people of color and several are immigrants or children of them.
zuqui23 ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 17:15:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had one girl declare that she hates trump but only because she's tired of him being on the morning news when she's eating breakfast with her dad.
Yeah, it'd be more of an interlocking-treaties thing like WWI. Trump carries through on his proposal to nuke the Middle East, everyone else gets dragged in.
BGYeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump won't be able to clear a nuclear strike on the middle east and he knows it, he just knows when to talk big to please the crowd that wants to hear these sort of things.
CroatiaHF ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 20:06:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It will if Hillary is elected. Inform yourself please.
Read my other comment. Oh lets not forgot that she threatened to use miltary force again russia or anyone who exposes her corruption and hacks her email.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She wont be able to start a war with Russia, Congress will not clear that sort of engagement, her relations with Russia will put us in a Cold War at most but nothing more.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:22:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inform yourself mate
roeravid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:42:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For reference, it was Germany that backstabbed Russia back in the 30's.
Krelkal ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forgetting about Crimea? Putin has made hostile land grabs against previously friendly countries as recently as two years ago...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:36:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was being sarcastic and referencing exactly that.
Krelkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops, had a weird Twilight Zone moment
BGYeti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:03:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who thinks that Russia would be the aggressor against the US is fucking dumb. Both the US and Russia know that if we go to war it is one that is going to end in total annihilation. We will definitely go into another Cold War assuming relations don't improve but right now no super power is wanting to send the world into a nuclear winter and end civilization as we know it. In this day and age the only bits of conflict we will see is conflicts similar to the war in Iraq against 3rd world countries, 3rd world revolutions, and small land grabs like Crimea against countries that can't fight back.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about China tho
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The flash point with China would be Japan.
I could see Trump encouraging their nationalistic PM to be more bellicose and militaristic, which could make conflict there a bit more likely.
But honestly, that's a possibility even if you elected Twilight Sparkle as president.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or North Korea. Or the Spratly's. Or the ADIZ. Or Taiwan.
Obviously it's still possible no matter what, but under Trump its more likely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how any of those happen unless China is stupid. And Trump being President doesn't suddenly make China stupid.
As much as Trump for president is a bad idea, I don't see how you can definitely say it's more likely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Are you seriously going to sit here and pretend that China is the only player capable of triggering a war in the west Pacific? Are you aware that the US military is enormously powerful and has an enormous presence in the West Pacific?
You realize that the US is allied to some extent with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan...and we have multiple large military bases in South Korea, Japan, Guam...we have a supercarrier permanently stationed in Yokosuka, Japan...
China is not the only country with cards to play in the West Pacific. In fact, the US military arguably has a more powerful hand in some respects. A reckless, ignorant, thin-skinned US president could absolutely do an enormous amount of damage. China would likely never intentionally seek war with the US, but if it felt threatened it might attack preemptively, or it might be bold enough to take aggressive action against its weaker neighbors, especially if our president is someone who encourages nuclear proliferation and repeatedly and recklessly calls our commitment to our allies into doubt. Trump's ambivalence towards our allies, combined with his belligerence, impulsiveness and general unwillingness to listen to the opinions of experts, creates a very dangerous situation.
There are plenty of opportunities for militarized standoffs between China and the US in Asia due to ongoing disputes over strategic territory and sea-lanes in the SCS, the potential for major disputes over Taiwanese sovereignty, the threat of North Korean provocations and/or collapse, the threat of military accidents and escalations in an increasingly militarized region...
Even the most steady-handed, calm, rational president would run a significant risk of seriously fucking things up with China in the near future. A president who is staggeringly belligerent, impulsive, arrogant and stubborn compounds the risk of war substantially.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
America could fuck up the Chinese economy with how much of our debt they own, they will not attack the US. The only real issue in that region is NK who is allied with China but even then it is more like feeling sorry for the stupid kid on the playground who has no friends so you say you will be their friend but you keep them at arms length. Not to mention China is allied with Russia and Trump is cozy with Putin, China is not about to fuck that up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You completely failed to understand what I'm saying.
First, we're talking about the potential next president of the United States, and what he might choose to do with his power. We are not talking about China's decision-making process. We're talking about what the US president might do with US assets in the region. Right now you're ignoring what Trump might do and instead arguing about what China intends to do. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about Trump and what he could do as commander in chief.
Second, obviously war with the US would not be in China's interest. Nobody's claiming that they're just going to attack us out of the blue because they want to. What I am arguing is that domestic instability and/or strategic ambition might cause China to attack one of our vulnerable allies in the region (made more vulnerable by Trump's shaky commitment to allies), which could draw us into a rapidly escalating conflict. China might also feel threatened by US military posturing and the rapid militarization of countries in the region, and preemptively attack us out of a desire to prevent an even worse outcome. If China is made to feel cornered and threatened, they are likely going to lash out defensively out of a desire for self-preservation. History is littered with examples of economically interdependent countries waging war. WWI, for example.
Not to mention China is allied with Russia and Trump is cozy with Putin, China is not about to fuck that up.
It's hard to exaggerate how much that statement makes no sense at all. Please explain what China would be fucking up. Explain to me, specifically, how Trump's forgiving attitude towards Putin's behavior in Syria and Ukraine means that China and the US automatically have a good relationship. Are you aware that the transitive property doesn't apply to international alliances? Are you aware that Trump has personally stated his intention to start a trade war with China? Is that the great, mutually beneficial sino-American relationship that would be at stake under Trump? The entire point I'm making here is that Sino-American relations under Trump will be absolute shit, because he's a belligerent posturing, impulsive moron who is going to start a trade war with China. The fact that Putin can manipulate Trump to his own ends does not mean that Trump is going to get along with Xi Jinping.
My dad always turns on NPR in the morning and it's fucking awful. The first thing I hear when I wake up every morning is the latest absurd, offensive rhetoric Trump has managed to vomit.
Especially ironic considering the alt-right's leaning towards isolationism while Hillary destabilized the entire Middle East when she was Secretary of State and is pretty bent on fucking with Russia and Syria if she's given the chance. Trump sucks but this is the stupidest thing to use to argue against him.
only because she's tired of him being on the morning news
That's why my mom hates Kim Kardashian. She hates how she's always on the news when there are way more interesting and important things to report than what some random lady wore today.
I only argue with the "Deliberately" remark. I picture him dropping his cup of coffee, getting his tie stuck in the toaster, and flipping a switch which simultaneously starts the garbage disposal and launches the nukes.
rand486 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grade or not, I'm not surprised they went there. I was in Grade 11 when 9/11 happened, and many of us were thoroughly convinced that WW3 was imminent, once we found out who was responsible.
Scary stuff is scary, especially when everything's fairly new to you in your youth.
My 8 year old wants Trump to win, because he's convinced Hillary will continue Michelle Obama's lunch program, and 'He can't eat spaghetti without a roll forever, you know'
"Hey, Sudan, get fucked you shitbirds hangs up phone NAILED EM"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, you're joking, and this seems pretty unlikely. But can any of us really say something like this is impossible or that it would be totally shocking?
All the adults seem to think that too as they shame people into voting for Hillary because they have to stop Trump at all costs. There are extremely delusional people out there, harassing people to vote Clinton because we're all going to die if Trump wins and its not like he'll accomplish nothing because all of his crazy ideas will be rejected by Congress.
Too bad Hillary will escalate the Russia-US situation. She wants a no fly zone in Syria. She wants Assad out at all costs because of her nation building BS.
"Papa, Donald Trump isn't a bad person. He's just making bad choices."
From the mouths of babes. I don't think there really are very many 'bad people' in the world, I think that perspective will serve her pretty well if she can manage somehow to hold on to it
I suppose a bad person would be incapable of making good choices. Her statement is giving Donald the benefit of the doubt, assuming that he is capable of making those good choices.
Xethaios ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:55:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, a good person making bad choices may not realize they're bad choices, or doesn't understand why they're bad.
A bad person will make bad choices even if they understand why they're bad.
The choices thing is a common phrase in elementary school. They often remind kids to "make good choices" and when they do get in trouble they talk about the "poor choices" that led up to it.
wtreq ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:50:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As Director Comey informed us, that would be "intent".
mamajt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:39:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you seen the Trumpbusters car decals?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Good people can make bad choices. That does not mean that th re are no bad people. By any reasonable metric, Trump is a bad person. The niece here is obviously a good person, but is too naive to know the difference between a bad person and a good person who makes bad choices.
I honestly wonder what the upside of his sudden fame, if there is any, has been. We all know the downside. His porn choices, the things he's said on line that may not be entirely politically correct. His entire on line history being pored over and dissected for criticism.
But men aren't the only ones with weird fetishes and women are certainly attracted to fame and all that brings.
I sort of wonder if any hot chicks with a fetish for weird professor types in bow ties and bowl haircuts have suddenly interjected themselves into his life to casually mention that they've reviewed his porn preferences... and they can do that. Or something to that effect.
Okay, that is ridiculous hyperbole, to the point of basically being a lie. He made a comment about very mild insurance fraud, and a few innocuous comments on popular porn subreddits. I guarantee you that the average redditor has said much worse.
Cytosen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:18:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a bunch of articles about how "Ken Bone is actually kind of a terrible person" because of his older reddit comments.
News is weird.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I heard the same thing in another sub. Anybody knows why is that guy being called a jerk?
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:41:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he called Trayvon Martin's shooting justified. Which it LEGALLY WAS. But the media doesn't tell you that in that same comment, he calls George Zimmerman a shit bag, and they also don't tell you he meant that it was legally justified. That narrative isn't gonna build itself.
People are giving him shit because he used his real (several years old) account for the AMA. They dug through his account history and found some things that I don't really give a shit about, but apparently some people now hate him for it.
Like are one point he called a pregnant woman in a pool a submarine. I thought it was hilarious. Some people didn't. Either way, good on him for actually using his real account. I wouldn't have the balls to do that in his situation.
minibum ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:14:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard husbands call their own pregnant wives worse. "BREAKING NOW: Middle aged man makes incredibly tame joke about pregnant women. And is Donald Trump Space Hitler? Stay on CNN."
His older Reddit comments, mostly related to porn and one of the police shooting black people "incidents" (not sure which one) where he said it was "legally justified" or some such.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:40:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might disagree that it was justified, but I've read his statement. He basically said that the courts found it legal, and he agreed with whatever the courts finding was. He did say that the shooter was still a prick.
I don't really agree or disagree- I'm not American and haven't really received enough info to make a decision. I put up the quotemarks because I think that was the phrase that he used.
Apparently thinking that the shooting of Trayvon Martin was "probably justified" makes you a jerk. I guess everyone forgot that a jury unanimously decided that the shooting was justified.
Also he commented on some porn subs, saying stuff that basically amounted to "wow she's pretty."
Why'd he get so much acclaim and attention? Because he seemed to be the one person in the entire audience that wasn't a complete drooling retard? I mean, yeah, he asked a great question and it was worded very well, but those kinds of questions should be standard at a Presidential debate :-/
Not surprising you and your literal spawn-of-Satan offspring would choose the color of communism. The only eagle you two are accustomed to saluting is the one they used to have at Berchtesgaden. LOL
trumpchangeaintnochumpchange
Blzkey ยท 250 points ยท Posted at 15:06:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to tell if you're being serious or trolling.
I accidentally went to /r/all instead of my front page last week. /r/thedonald is on all. For a second I thought I'd stumbled on a magical parody thread until I realized everybody was being serious. Or at least I think they were. Now I'm scarred.
saremei ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! Lets pick our candidate on pointless reasons like their sex or appearance, not their past scandals and huge constitution violating skeletons in their closet!
I mean that seems as good a reason as any. I'm from the UK, don't really understand your election process much but have kinda concluded you guys are screwed no matter who you vote for. I would invite you all over here but we've gone a bit crazy ourselves lately.
Gmansam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is she a blood?
yaosio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it basically sums up how US citizen vote anyway.
One side is blue and the other is red, they will vote for their preferred colour regardless of the contents.
AryaTS ยท 4556 points ยท Posted at 15:18:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Red state here in a small country school. For the most part the kids say that Hillary would be impeached because her husband was. They will make fun of the way Trump looks but the majority seem to be for him winning. I have only seen one girl openly support Hillary. I honestly think they are repeating what their parents say.
This is in a 6th grade civics class so they are just learning how everything works. I introduced the idea of third party voting and what first past the post was and they had never heard about either.
The one consensus from everyone is how much they hate Obama but literally cannot back it up with one reason as to why. Again just parroting their parents.
This doesn't surprise me. I was 10 in 1996 and was in a very Republican area so all the kids parroted Election Day we wanted Bob Dole to win, for no real reason. Except one girl who kept saying "Dole is pathetic, he fell off the stage!" which we not only knew nothing about, we didn't know a good thing about Dole either.
Then when he lost in a landslide we were all a little surprised, because everyone at school was for Dole! I imagine lots of kids are going to have that happen to them this year.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:20:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Different election, but I remember at school some kids were saying that if John Kerry won then he would make lollipops smaller (or maybe it was popsicles?).
The weird part is that the kid(s) at school said this plus other kids that I knew from cub scouts/my neighborhood. I don't know why or where this started, but for some reason a bunch of 3rd graders really thought a president was going to make their candy smaller.
I wanted Ross Perot to win in '96 because his name sounded like "perro" and I thought he was lowkey a dog. Was emotionally wrecked when we did not end up with a dog for president.
I remember I thought "Republican" and "Democrat" were insults when I was a kid. When there was a mock election in 2nd grade and I was asked if I was "voting" for Bush or Kerry I said Kerry, and the slightly older child asking me said something like "you must be a Democrat". I thought that was bad, so I switched to Bush, and she said "you must be a Republican". I kept switching back and forth between the two choices and gradually getting more and more distressed when I kept getting the same responses from this kid, until I started crying.
My best friend and I in elementary school used to yell on the playground at each other: "Al Gore is a bore!" "George Bush is a bush!" Basically just parroting our parents' views.
I remember wanting George Bush because my dad's republican friends let me keep this GREAT BIG BUMPER STICKER that said "Voting for SCARY KERRY is SUICIDE!"
I still have it somewhere around here, slapped on a purple pencil case.
DrBarrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, actually the assistant in Frankenstein was called Fritz. The name Igor was first used in The Son of Frankenstein (the third movie in the franchise) and it was spelled Ygor. The name Igor we all recognize comes from the Mel Brook's movie "Young Frankenstein". (I totally know what you meant, I just wanted to mention this).
I remember when I was in 2nd grade for that election. One of the girls I was talking to said she liked Bush better because he didn't kill babies like Al Gore.
I remember my friend in first grade wanted Bob Dole to win because he had yellow teeth, and it was probably the funniest thing I had ever heard.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:59:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching Nickelodeon in 3rd grade in 1996, they had a "Call in your vote" thing and I called in for Clinton because I liked him for whatever reason but then I called in for Dole because I felt bad that he got left out.
In 1996, my kindergarten had a mock election between the candidates and I remember choosing Clinton because his name was the closest to Lincoln who I understood to be a good president as a 6 year old.
It wasn't sound logic, but at least it's better than repeating an opinion
Trump has been preparing his supporters for a let down, he calls Hillary crooked and says she will cheat in the election. His die hard supporters are absolutely going to accuse her when she wins.
My neighbor across the street from me made this huge horrible Trump sign. It's literally a white background with TRUMP and some lights strung around it. It also looks like he didn't plan it out at all because the letters start getting smaller and more squished together.
Blue state resident here: I honestly think I would bet money that trump wins this state if it stays the way it is now (NJ). I don't know what the general consensus around the rest of the blue states are, but holy shit there are so many trump signs (and lots of hand-made bootleg ones too).
I voted for Dole knowing he'd lose, but I hated Bill Clinton so much.
But history proved me wrong, his job and income growth were ridiculously good. And he avoided wars of choice. I now think he was a good president, but kind of a scumbag (as were FDR, and JFK).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, in 1996, I was 11. I was the only kid in my class that knew about Ross Perot and voted for him. My parents have always been NPA and didn't vote for Dole, so I was as well versed on Perot as I could be at 11...my parents were voting for him, so I was too.
Now here we are in 2016 and I wish a half-ass decent third party candidate would show up again. I think it will be a long time before we have a third party candidate who can get the 19% Perot got in 92 or even the 8% Perot got in 96.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was a smart girl
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was in a heavily democratic area growing up so when we had a school wide election in 2004 and Bush only got 4 votes (out of dozens) yet won the actual election I was shocked.
medikit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a little younger and I wanted Perot to win. I thought it was hilarious his name looks like "parrot".
aricberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not just kids! Was looking at a story my local TV station (in a pretty conservative area) did on people protesting at a local Trump HQ. They were all like "how can KILLARY be in the lead? I ain't seen nothin' but Trump signs. Ain't know anyone who's voting for that CRIMINAL!!" I was like "and when was the last time you left the area, bub?"
Yup I was a very proud Dole supporter at the age of 7. Didn't know fuck all about what I was talking about. I definitely remember trying to convince friends who also didn't know fuck all that Dole was the superior choice because the mascot of an elephant was much more powerful than a donkey.
I honestly don't like Obama's policies that much, but if they repealed the 22nd ammendment and he threw his hat in the ring today you better believe i would vote for him. not to mention he seems like a nice guy, i'd love to hang out with him.
"But aside from healthcare reform, ending the recession, getting us out of Iraq, ending the Cuban embargo, advancing science funding and protecting the environment, what has Obama ever done for us?"
Saint947 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, look at this fucking Correct the Record level bullshit trough over here.
I'm in mobile, and I can't read any of the first three words. What did I expect from a Obama supporting website created by the same people, I imagine, that created HealthCare.Gov...
EDIT: /s
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:48:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really doubt the government and a bunch of random obama supporters are the same people.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:53:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It uses a swearword in the title and you think it was made specifically by government employees?
I agree Obamacare is imperfect (Obama would probably agree) but the idea of just repealing it with no plan is appalling. It did a lot of good things, but there are flaws, so it needs to continue to be tweaked.
[deleted] ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be fined if you don't have insurance. So if someone falls in the middle and doesn't qualify for free healthcare, but also can't afford it, they get fined.
DFile ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:42:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my situation, and it sucks man. I was barely getting by, setting aside a small amount of savings. Now I've lost $2000 per year in income that goes towards insurance that doesnt even benefit me because the deductible is like $2000 before they'll pay anything, so I can't use it for doctor visits or anything. It's literally only useful if I have to go to the ER or something. And I'm living paycheck to paycheck now with no money left over after I pay my expenses.
Annual preventative care is covered 100% by law, so at least go get your physical done.
Zuwxiv ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could have gotten a physical for a lot less than $2k per year...
Clacie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to pay both child support (sons mother is on the county dole) and his health insurance through the exchange because going through my employer was too expensive. My last pay period had 92 hours and I'm still struggling to get by. I applaud the ACA, but it would have been nice if they thought about the people in the middle.
ACA doesn't set rates. ACA regulates insurance companies in a myriad ways but they don't regulate plans. Insurance companies are still free to compete with each other. ACA was a big stepping stone in getting universal health care but it's not perfect
cbftw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be fantastic if the failures of the ACA exposed how bad our system is and brought about socialized hearth care
This makes me laugh when they mention it during the debates. Of course we have more people insured than ever. You get fined if you aren't insured. The fact that we still have so many uninsured after instituting a fine should show how poorly it's working.
Never mind the fact that the ACA fines are designed to be so toothless as to be all but voluntary. I recommend looking up the section of the law that covers it. The tax penalty cannot be enforced in any real way, can't have interest levied on it, and can be specifically not paid when paying other taxes without any issue. The complaints about the penalty basically show who does and doesn't have a clue of what they're talking about.
The IRS will hold back the amount of the fee from any future tax refunds. There are no liens, levies, or criminal penalties for failing to pay the fee.
I am not a lawyer / tax official, but the wording suggests so long as you pay everything else you owe, they can't act on the penalty.
Who are all these people that apparently make the exact same amount of money every year and so you know exactly how much taxes you'll have to pay? Or do y'all actually pay an accountant every year to decide that for you?
Esqurel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people underpay and even it up at tax time. Meanwhile, they get to use the money throughout the year without waiting for an interest-free refund.
Fiscally, it's the better call, but it requires paying attention to your taxes and making sure you have enough to pay the difference at the end of the year. For many people, it's easier to overpay a bit and get a refund, especially for those who count on that refund as a windfall to help with bigger purchases. They could save throughout the year, but most don't.
You can claim as much exemption as you feel like as on your w-2 as long as you don't lie when you actually file it's no big deal. Why lend the government money just so they can give it back to you?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So wait... People would rather be fined and essentially throw their money away than get some level of insurance to cover incidentals?
As someone from a country with universal medical insurance (which costs about 100 per month of your work doesn't cover it), I find this confusing...
Payments of $800 to $1000 per month are common from what I've heard for healthcare from the ACA, with deductibles in the $8000+ range. I have friends that are really struggling because of it. Many can not afford this (particularly with ever decreasing incomes and increasing housing costs, massive student loans, etc) so it's way easier to just pay the fine ($695 or 2.5% of your income โ whichever is higher) since it's generally less than a month's payment of insurance were you to buy it. Basic economics -- it's not worth it to people who need their money for other things.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they're a part of it, but it's a pretty complex situation overall. The US has a population of about 319 million people. This is way larger than other countries that are able to get state run healthcare to work for them, like Canada for example which only has 35 million people.
We also have a larger wealth disparity than most other countries which means we have more poor people to try and support, which makes things far more difficult. When most of that burden is placed on the middle class (which is shrinking largely due to wage stagnation for the last 30 years), it's going to be a heavy burden -- thus the rates we discussed above.
And, to add to this, the US spends more money on healthcare than any other nation, but it also costs us far more for procedures, medicines and treatments here than elsewhere. In a sense it seems that we are subsidizing healthcare costs for other nations by helping to prop up the industry as what we pay helps to put more money into research and development, manufacturing and (of course) investor's wallets.
It's a complicated issue for us.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say a large part of it also comes down to the city planning.
Everyone wants white picket fences. This led to sprawling cityscapes with comparatively low population density compared to similar sized cities. Decentralised communities have much greater freedom, but they also have much greater costs, such as for essential infrastructure like roads and utilities.
If you compare China with the US, as both would be consider well-populated industrialised nations, China spends 26 times less in healthcare per capita, but they have a fully public health insurance that guarantees 50% coverage for all residents.
It's better for us to bite the bullet and not have insurance than pay 500 a month. We only pay a 1400 fine for the whole year, and pray to God that nothing serious happens. And we also have to pay back 4k to the government for "healthcare subsidies" because my boyfriend took marketplace insurance. His work insurance costs us 500 a month, the marketplace only 240. No checking, no verification, no explanation, no information, now we have no savings, nothing. Fucking America the beautiful right? We almost got ahead. We almost made it. But no. This system is designed to keep you from ever climbing out of poverty.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was explaining to a friend a while ago about the American dream.
It's the freedom for great success, but also great failure. It's like a lottery ticket that penalises you for not knowing the winning numbers.
Zuwxiv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After leaving my job in April, I needed to make do until my new job starts (tomorrow!). My choices: $1800 in insurance costs over 6 months of unemployment, or $695 fee assessed by the end of April.
Healthcare costs are out of control in America, but until that's fixed, I would rather take my chances as a young person.
Yeah, it's like hearing Republicans brag about low unemployment during their terms.
Yeah, it's great that people are working, except when the average household income falls. It doesn't matter if I have a job, if said job pays like shit.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:03:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The president can't magically raise people's wages.
Hot4Gray ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's only this thing called the federal minimum wage.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... Which increases unemployment, and does little else.
If you write a law saying you have to pay workers more, that doesn't mean companies will magically have more money to pay more. Therefore, the law only makes some people unemployable.
Hot4Gray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:47 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an investment. When consumers have more to spend, they do.
kickrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you saying you think the president sets the federal minimum wage? Are you retarded?
No, you are exempt from the fine. They literally tell you this. And in all honesty, if your state had expanded Medicaid you would be covered. That's not Obamas fault that is your states fault.
Source: this happened to me.
LyreBirb ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:08:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to paying that fine and more everytime you went to the doctors before the aca... Yeah boohoo. The aca isn't the problem. It's the wealth disparity.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:12:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have my mom living with me since she kinda lost everything. We tried to get her Obamacare. They wanted 650$ a month for the shit plan, because my wife and I make six figures. With my company I pay 260$ a month for two kids, wife, and I, with top benefits. I fully support Obama, but the ACA is awful. Too many bugs in that program.
Obamacare is not insurance. Obamacare is a marketplace for private insurance companies to compete under. Your beef should be with private insurance companies and not ACA itself.
By saying "Obamacare" all the time we are creating a notion that we are buying government insurance and that it sucks, but this is false. Obamacare is not at all like Medicare.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably correct, I'm not too informed on the ACA. I just look at the bills when they arrive. And the bills are too high.
Yeah you're right the premiums are higher and that's because the ACA forces insurance companies to cover everyone regardless of preexisting conditions and the insurance companies raised premiums to offset that. ACA is not perfect but it is a step in the right direction in my opinion.
hansn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:31:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most people would support a medicare for all option and/or a single payer system. But that's an argument that the ACA didn't go far enough. Before the law, it was common for insurance companies to refuse to insure expensive patients, no matter the cost.
I'm no expert, but if I remember correctly didn't Obama have to make all sorts of compromises to even get it approved through the senate? Of course it's going to end up flawed when you can't get everyone to work together. Just to save me from getting inundated by hate mail, I'm not calling out one party in particular, they both need to work better together.
hansn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest "compromise," at least in my view, was the Supreme Court ruling which allowed states to turn down federal money to expand subsidized coverage. This allowed a lot of politicians to say that "Obamacare is failing" when it is actually state politicians who refuse to cover their citizens.
$8k for 1 person where the plan probably wont pay much for most medications is not small matter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because 650 is about three times as much as insurance normally is. Did you completely skip over that part?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:29:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the most retarded posts I've read on here in a while. I don't even know where to begin.
LyreBirb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:36:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd start by leaving the Trump rally. now I know it's going to be a little scary not being around any racists or sexists, or homophobes.
But damnit. Plenty of people live perfectly normal lives never interacting with them. You can already try .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
XD nice one dude you got me
LyreBirb ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor baby called in a trump Brigade
scroom38 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:12:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad went from good kaiser healthcare to shit tier stuff which costs more than his kaiser plan did. The new laws made good healthcare too expensive, and his company had to switch policies. Obamacare did give a lot of poor people healthcare which is nice, but it did so by fucking over the lower middle class, and funneling more money into the companies that caused the issue in the first place.
It has done a lot of good, but it has also done a lot of bad. It's a poorly written jumble of laws that needs to be replaced. What's annoying is most discussion on it devolves into a shitfest.
I don't really know much about the ACA, but were insurance costs rising specifically because of the bill or is it because insurance companies saw an opportunity to charge more under the guise of "the government is interfering with us"?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:10:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. It increased minimum required coverage and removed the pre existing condition problem which is naturally going to increase cost. Insurance companies took the opportunity to increase costs beyond what was required because they had a ready made scapegoat.
It's really hard to have a reasonable discussion about the ACA both sides of the debate are hiding facts and both sides have very valid points.
scroom38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR Fuck Obamacare because it only serves to funnel money into the hands of the people who caused the problem in the first place. "Oh, you lit a hospital on fire? Here's some more gasoline and matches, please don't do it again, you wont ever get in trouble and no-one will blame you, but still, please don't do it anymore".
It was directly because of the bill. Now, I would not at all be surprised if the insurance company also tried to fuck people over, however I do know the bill is what caused it. There was a really good discussion on this with the specific parts of the law that forced businesses to change coverage, unfortunately I did not save it. From what I remember, the old policies weren't in line with the bill's mandates. In order to afford the new "compliant" insurance for all employees, they had to do some cost cutting. Not only that, but there are extra taxes associated with all businesses now, to help pay for the people who couldn't afford anything before.
I do remember that the new mandatory policies forced some businesses (like papa johns*) to lay people off in order to cover insurance premiums for others, and many people / buisnesses are forced to tank non-compliance fees because the penalty fee for not having insurance is cheaper than having insurance, and they can't afford either.
*Papa johns was accused of being a bunch of greedy fucksticks because they laid a bunch of people off due to obamacare. I did the math, and as it turns out, even on the low end of estimated cost to businesses, papa johns would literally have gone under if they didn't employ cost cutting measures. It's great some people now have healthcare, but unfortunately many people lost their jobs because of it.
Very poor person here. Those of my friends who previously didn't qualify for Medicaid are significantly better off, but they seem to have achieved this by lowering the quality of Medicaid covered care across the board. I've never had deductibles before and while $3 seems like nothing to some, it can be quite a bit towards the end of the month, we've eaten on that and bulk pantry staples for a week after unexpected emergency expenses. The doctors take longer to get you in, and they put a lot of extra barriers to equal access and reasonable accommodations, usually for perfectly valid seeming reasons. My doctor used to let people wait outside and call them when it was their turn, and see couples together/allow you to bring a friend for support. Now, unless you have a documentable provable reason to receive such accommodations you can't wait outside at all, even with someone inside listening to let you know (too many patients), and you can't bring someone of the opposite sex in the exam room (mandated DV screening).
I don't like this, I remember how long it took to get dx'd with autism, and how necessary these accommodations are to my ability to access healthcare.
In short, a small subset of people, including people I care very much for aren't as likely to die so soon, but the majority of people I know are at best inconvienced, at worst entirely unable to get access to care even with the expansion and/or are receiving significantly worse care, price increases, or other significant burdens and barriers to accessing care.
A big one around here is refusing to provide insurance covered transportation to pharmacies, or refusing to send bus passes to a PO Box if you can't get mail at your home. I've known 3 people who were either hospitalized for missing medications, or had their SSI threatened for "refusing medical treatment" due to repeated same day cancellations due to insurance covered transportation issues, and quite a few more who had more minor difficulties.
TL;DR: It's caused a lot of poor people a lot of trouble too. I'm not entirely sure the small benefit it's provided is really worth all the trouble it causes ordinary people of all sorts of socioeconomic statuses, but it might also be saving some good friends' lives.
Edited for clarity
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet if you try telling this to some of the people not directly effected by it, but who are convinced its a good bill, they will argue with you and tell you that you must be mistaken, because obamacare has only caused good things to happen even when you have literally been negatively effected by it yourself.
I'm sorry to hear you've had so much extra trouble because of obamacare. I truly believe there is a way to make a basic safety net without screwing over the majority of people, but obamacare is never going to be apart of that. It's just a bad bill.
Which the ACA would have pretty much been of the senate weren't a bunch of fuckwads and made them throw out some of the most important parts before signing it into law.
I'm in the US and use a single payer health care (Tricare, it covers around 9 million Americans). It is amazing and I honestly wish everyone could do the same. I spent $300 last fiscal year on health care due to being prescribed a non-formulary medication for 6 months. I have several health problems and have had many tests and visits to specialists, as well as weekly therapist sessions. I have never been as well off health-wise as I am now because all those visits are completely free. Currently I am waiting for tomorrow to find out if I am going to need surgery and even more medications... and I am only stressed on the mental and physical toll the diagnosis would have on me, there would be no financial toll.
The parts I find most amusing are 1. People on it who have clearly never dealt with any other insurance in their life bitching that it is low quality (not in the least) and 2. People on it who say shit like "single payer would never work in the US" or "I would never want to be on a single payer system"
Way too many greedy assholes think it wouldn't benefit them, though, and they shouldn't have to pay for everyone. Ignoring, of course, that provided they live long enough it would absolutely benefit them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a clinic that accepted Tricare, and I worked with them on a daily basis. All I can say is, we barely had issues getting coverage from Tricare, copay were minimal if even, and I only ran across one deductible and it was only $300. Tricare was my favorite insurance to work with. Fuck Medicaid and Blue Cross Blue Shield. We had so many issues with them. Of course I live in Oklahoma, so all we have now on the market for individuals to privately purchase insurance is Blue Cross Blue Shield, or if you qualify for Medicaid. BCBS barely covers jack squat, and the deductible is usually anywhere from $1000 (that's usually the minimum) to $10,000 (the ten thousand deductible made me sick for the families who had to pay all that). The paperwork that clinics have to keep up with for Medicaid is absolutely ridiculous. Everything has to be perfect, and then maybe they will approve your pre-authorization request. There have been times that Medicaid fucked up the authorization, and didn't tell us, and they wouldn't pay for those services (even though they admitted it was their mistake). It's just all around a cluster-fuck. The only other insurance I liked was Healthchoice, but you only get that from working in the public school systems.
Tricare is legit. You might wait a little longer for non-urgent stuff but at least you get seen, as opposed to having no insurance and just hoping it doesn't get worse.
Yep. And sometimes it is way faster than other oprions.
What is going on with me is possibly bad, but not urgent. Took 2 weeks to get in to be seen (not a long wait for this issue as there was no pain or possible infection, would have been sooner if it were more urgent), 1 week after that I was in to radiology. That was a week ago and my final test hopefully giving me the all clear should be back tomorrow (a cytology test, takes a while to do). Total time from "shit I should see a doctor" to final test result in a likely okay but possibly very not okay issue has been 4 weeks.
When my grandma was diagnosed with kidney cancer, it had been long enough between "i should see a doctor" and diagnosis that she only lived another very painful month and half. I don't know what health insurance she had, but neither she nor her husband qualified for Tricare.
If I were in any of my previous insurance situations, I either wouldn't be seen (if this is bad, that would eventually be deadly) or would go in and basically be told "well it could be bad but probably isn't so your insurance won't cover tests to make sure you aren't the .008% of women who will be diagnosed with it this year"
scroom38 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
First and most importantly, stop funneling money into the insurance companies who literally caused the problems in the first place.
Second: Identify the source of the problem why healthcare is so expensive. Insurance companies pay a fraction of the bill, and tell hospitals to sue if they don't like it, so, hospitals overcharge. Additionally, hospitals must buy their supplies from a limited number of distributors. They can't just buy Tylenol from CVS, or straight from manufacturer, they have to buy it from a distributor who massively inflates the price of the bottle because they know the hospital has to go through them. I remember seeing a picture of a hospital bill for one of those $2 metal surgical trays you see. $22, simply because the distributor can charge it.
Now I'm sure that there are more issues I am unaware of. In order to properly solve the problem, a team of people a whole lot smarter than me need to start digging. Follow the money trail, and see where the pitfalls are. Somewhere along the line, there is something vacuuming up massive amounts of money, and we are all blind to it. Or maybe its just hundreds of tiny pits that accumulate into something massive by the time it hits the consumer. Either way, if there is a massive money sink, we can't just keep throwing money into it hoping it will get full.
My ideal healthcare laws? Fix the money leaks, hospitals charge a reasonable price, and bill directly to consumer with government / insurance assisted payment plans. Teach efficient finance in public school instead of whatever stupid bullshit I had shoveled into my head to assist people in making smart choices. From the day of the law onward, insurance companies are charged $15 billion for every provable instance of not paying hospitals in full, and executives will be similarly charged. Hospitals will be governed similarly, having legal and monetary repercussions for attempting to price gouge insurance companies. Why such a stupid large price? Where would the fee money go? Penalty fees go into the government medical care / welfare account, and the reason is because current fees are not nearly large enough. Big businesses can simply tank penalty fees in order to fuck people out of massive amounts of money. Make a penalty fee, reoccurring as many times as needed, large enough that it would tear the carpet right out from under their feet if they try to disobey.
Honestly I've got a lot of ideas on how a complete restructure might work, and a lot of them tie into eachother. I'm sure someone much smarter than myself would probably look at them and have a million and one reasons why it wouldn't work, but as of right now I feel like my ideas are sound.
My Insurance costs thousands more my deductible is higher and I dont get as much coverage I used to. So now I don't get to go to the doctor as much and if I have a minor issue I probably can't afford to do anything about it.
ZenRollz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor person here. My sister and I have dental now. And my carer and bro in law have health coverage, and even better dental than I do. My carer being alive is awesome, not just for me, but the thousands and thousands saved not having the government caring for me in a home.
That said, my doctor quit, his replacement had to get read of all the accommodations that used to be allowed, so now I stand out like a sore thumb being allowed to have someone of the opposite sex accompany me (carer is also medical guardian), and being allowed to wait outside to be called back to see the doctor.
I have copays now. I never had copays before. Usually they're $3-15, which doesn't sound bad until you realize that $10 is the monthly hygiene budget for all the males in the house, and $15 can be food for all seven of us for up to a week and a half if necessary. Common and needed medications can still be easily beyond our means.
It's done some good, but you'll find plenty of poor people willing to complain about what Medicaid expansion has done for the quality of their care, or willing to say that providing sub-standard care and bragging about expanding coverage is just lib politicians trying to show off how enlightened they are and how much they "care" about us while not really caring at all.
I got to stay on my mother's insurance until I turned 26, which was great since I was still in school, and there's no way I could afford insurance while in grad school. You can't be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions anymore, and that is huge. More people are insured than ever before. It made shopping around for insurance pretty simple for me after I turned 26, and affordable while I still make shitty pay barely above the poverty line. I have heard people's prices went up, but for everyone I know around my age, we're benefitting greatly from it. I'm sure it can be improved, but when was the last time a president did something big with the healthcare system?
As a student in college debt, Obama care trippled my insurance cost while picking the bare minimum coverage that I can't really use for anything unless I am dieing and ready to pay a huge deductible
My sister had to switch her newest kids doctor after Obamacare because the doctor who had taken care of and delivered her previous 4 children was no longer covered for her. It's bullshit
I'm a hardcore leftist, but I was unable to afford insurance even before insurance premiums started increasing dramatically. This year insurance looks like it'll rise about 7-8%, but my income certainly hasn't. My employer's insurance is too expensive for it to be considered affordable for me under the ACA (over 8% of my income IIRC), so I'll at least be exempt from the fine for another year, but I'm still one of the 28 million uninsured Americans, and likely to remain that way as long as the penalty is more affordable than insurance (until my health starts to decline, that is).
Same. I had a decent plan before. Now I pay a substantial amount more and most doctors in my area are booked way in advance. Before I could get an appointment within a week with my primary now it's common to have to wait a month or more. This is relative to all primary care physicians in my area.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not base the overall effectiveness of a program on the personal satisfaction of individuals. Just because it doesn't work well for you doesn't mean it won't help countless others.
EDIT: Grammar
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's helped the poor while fucking over almost the entire middle class (mostly lower middle class). I saw it constantly when I worked in a clinic that accepted insurances. Deductibles of $1000 as minimum, and several up to $10,000. So much wouldn't be covered due to bullshit reasons. I've heard from many parents that premiums were going up to $2000 a month sometimes (this was with Blue Cross Blue Shield). In Oklahoma, insurance companies couldn't afford to keep plans that weren't "approved" by Obamacare, and will not have any plans, other than group plans for businesses, that are approved by Obamacare (United Health is an example of this). In 2017, Oklahoma will only have Blue Cross Blue Shield and Medicaid as an option, unless someone's work provides a different group plan. So what does a company do when their competition is eliminated? You've got it, Blue Cross Blue Shield jacked their rates to unaffordable prices. Now there are so many people with no insurance because they can't afford it. So yes, it's screwed over a LOT of people.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:21:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Obama hasn't done a single thing in his presidency! He's ruined everything and taken all our guns and mandated Sharia law and invented ISIS! America is a third world country because a gay black muslim communist dictator is in charge!!!
thinkbox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The affordable care act is no longer affordable and pretty much raised the cost of healthcare for everyone and now people are abandoning the marketplace.
It is hard to look at the ACA and match it up with ANY of the promises that Obama made about it. It ended up just being lie after lie.
When he ran he was also very outspoken against the patriot act and war. He made the patriot act permanent and our foreign entanglements haven't gotten any less complicated.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, to be fair most of politics is supposed to be agreeing to compromise which both sides have failed to do.
As for the SCOTUS, yeah, the Senate needs to either hold a vote and confirm him or deny him, this doing nothing is a complete farce and it's going to bite them in the ass when Hillary wins.
I mean shit he just last week stopped victory tax and put in changing stations in male restrooms.
thinkbox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He legacy is intact!
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 17:51:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Changing stations? Russia is threatening war and you bring that up as something he has just recently done?
He helped screw up things in the middle east.
The guys been campaigning for Hillary because she isn't. She has one appearance between here and election so someone has to.
But changing rooms? This is the lefts problem, you've literally no sense of priorities or even what a president is supposed to do and bathrooms isn't a task he should worry about unless he wants to distract people from real issues.
Like russia. Threatening war. Because Obama is basically funding isis. But changing rooms. Unless this is sarcasm.
Dude, just stop with Nationalist party rhetoric please. He was a decent dude who works in a corrupt system. Not a single candidate who ran this year is or was gonna change that.
You know his presidency was filled with things that both positively and negatively impacted the country, he did some good and he did some bad. It's about the best we can hope for in a broken machine.
You're candidate with still be a cog in the broken machine on the 8th and nothing is going to change that. Be it Left or Right aligned you're voting for a figure head and if the puppet masters are barking war then it's another war we are going to suffer through.
You want to avoid war? You want peace? Start building better community relations. Spend you're time organizing ways for you're community to meet each other and understand one another better. Support friends and family that want to go into politics with a progressive and inclusive ideology that keeps everyone protected.
You're so up in arms man, but your anger is the exact problem that allows shit like this to happen. You've been divided and conquered.
Yalawi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:10:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Legitimately curious - if you see Russia as so much of a threat, how do you view Trump's praise of Putin or refusal to acknowledge Russian hacking and Ukraine incursion? What do you think of Trump on the Russia issue?
bcardell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because most people (on both sides) are incapable of acknowledging anything positive about the other. It's a big US vs THEM mentality and it gets reinforced by whatever circle jerk threads you visit.
"Accidentally Hitler Syndrome" is very dangerous. My doctor prescribed a life of laziness in order to fight this illness. I take two procrastination a day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I called out a friend on facebook for claiming something similar (even though we're both Canadian) and presented him with evidence of what Obama has done over his terms. All of a sudden, he was "only joking" and trying to fight "all the left wing stuff" he sees on his newsfeed.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's awesome because of all the jerking off you guys are doing, none of you wrote anything, you just wrote stories about schooling others or how dumb people like that are.
He's definitely raised healthcare cost! To say he hasn't done anything is just naive.
krymz1n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โข Nobel prize for getting elected
โข used drones more than any other president
โข wants to prosecute Snowden
โข made insurance more expensive for everybody who had it
โข signed the 2012 NDAA (which allows citizens of the United States to be imprisoned by USAF without due process) on New Year's Eve when nobody was looking
Im a blue blooded liberal democrat through and through but lets keep it real here. I dont think conservatives believe that he has not done an impressive amount. They believe that he's done an impressive amount, but of bad things or things they dont like. They think it's unsustainable to have endless years of deficit spending and that since true wealth in it's most basic form is created by production (produce stuff=have stuff, go figure), it's unwise to disincentivize production at the same time.
It's all good though, they'll figure it out eventually. Just because Im not working doesnt mean that Im a drain on the economy! I support myself every 1st of the month when my EBT refills and I head down to Wal Mart and get all my supplies for the month. But fuck Wal Mart because they dont give me free shit. QUE VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!
He only has one signature piece of legislation and thats Obamacare and its about to be repealed because its failing.
His immigration amnesty was already shut down by a federal judge.
He didn't end the wars in the middle east, in fact he started a new one in Libya.
Race relations are worse, percentage of Americans employed is below what it was when he took office(65.7% vs 62.6% now). Seriously what has he done AT ALL, let alone in an "impressive amount"?
yungkef ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:44:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I really feel like it's less that "us vs them" has increased and more-so that white people are actually starting to pay attention to the systematic racism minorities experience in this country.
Obamacare saved me and many of my peers from working minimum wage without affordable healthcare. Thanks Obama!!
Um also let's not forget about the legalization of gay marriage? That's one less form of legal bigotry that the U.S. can hold of its citizens' heads.
You're right about immigration though, ICE is going way out of line with some of the bullshit they've been springing on citizens in California/Arizona/New Mexico/Texas.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ANTHONY FUCKING KENNEDY AUTHORED THE MAJORITY OPINION IN Obergefell v. Hodges
You people are INSANE.
Also, everything else you believe is a lie.
EDIT: Chris jesus, top 50 accomplishments:
Passed Health Care Reform: Failing miserably. According to both parties.
Passed the Stimulus: Horrible. And puts us further into crippling debt.
Passed Wall Street Reform: Bullshit and by all accounts didn't work anyways. Just adds more bureaucratic bullshit and regulations so only companies who can hire dozens of lawyers can succeed.
Ended the War in Iraq: Biblical scale disaster.
Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: How is starting a draw down an accomplishment? An accomplishment would have been stabilizing the middle east.
Eliminated Osama bin laden: There is a 50/50 chance if you put a "Kill Osama" button and a "Don't kill Osama" button in front of my fucking cat those navy seals still would have killed Osama.
Eliminated Osama bin laden: This is more of a Bush accomplishment, and Bush actually made us money on this one...
Recapitalized Banks: Yay debt.
Repealed โDonโt Ask, Donโt Tellโ: Yeah this is an accomplishment.
Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: Horrible idea, disaster, an entire country ruined and ISIS running free killing people... Horrible horrible.
Told Mubarak to Go: lol
Reversed Bush Torture Policies: 'member how he closed Guantanamo on day 1?
Improved Americaโs Image Abroad: WHAT?
List goes on... Apparently his top fifty accomplishments are essentially destroying the middle east while doubling our debt.
yungkef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're absolutely right, but he was the first president to openly support gay rights.
I'm not really sure how to refute considering how lazy your response was...
His reply wasn't that lazy, listed out some pretty solid reasoning. Trump supports gay marriage too, what's your point? Times have changed. It's now the acceptable and mainstream thing to support gay marriage.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I edited it and added more.
But you were implying legalization of gay marriage was something Obama did. Which he did not. Simply being present does not make it his accomplishment.
Ooh, this should be a sensitive and well-researched document. What a treat.
'Improved Americaโs Image Abroad: WHAT?'
In my country the Bush was an utter laughing stock. He was a punchline for left and right. He was skewered throughout our media. He was president from when I was five to thirteen, so I'm afraid my view of Americans as a child was of stereotypically dumb cowboys. Near everyone here loves Obama. He's articulate, calm, thoughtful and sensitive. Nobody here would dispute the improvement he's brought to the perception of the US,.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On mobile so can't proper cite. I can just say "google it" (I know, I'm sorry).
How the fuck is race relations his fault? I'd say it's the media and people's innate "Us vs. Them" mentality. If you're blaming that on the Obama, then you're just being silly and pointing fingers.
I didn't blame him. But you said he did so much. And one of the things he claimed he would do is fix race relations. He didn't do it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
uhh did you miss when he called police officers racist without waiting for any evidence and then possibly as a result of that 5 cops were shot in dallas, so then he went to their funerals and called them racist again?
The president cited the nationโs tortured racial history and current statistics on unequal treatment of the races. Sounding wistful, he said, โmaybe in my childrenโs lifetimes, all the vestiges of that past will have been cured.โ
So without all the facts, due process, a trial, evidence, ect... He makes it a race issue. Calls America racist, the cops racist, everyones a RACIST.
You people need to stop being so fucking dishonest, you can't just ignore 99% of what Obama does and pretend he is a good president.
Obama went off on a history lecture of racism in America. He included mentions of Alton Sterling (twice) and Philando Castile (twice). He even mentioned poor black children in hoodies โ a reference to Trayvon Martin.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying republicans like used some kind of high tech computer simulation or like some kind of Obama-robot to make him call the cops who shot Philando Castille and that other guy (the felon sex offender with the gun outside that gas station) racist, and then go to dallas and call cops racist again during the funeral for the officers... Or what? I mean its on video, he gave a whole big speech and a lot of people watched it. Confused as to why you would say it didn't happen.
Thats a vivid imagination,but I'm saying I saw obama speak at the funeral,and he didn't call cops in general racist. Nor did he call the dallas cops racist.As far as the Dallas shootings we cant assume the shooter's motivations at all really.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see people who mourn for the five officers we lost, but also weep for the families of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. In this audience, I see whatโs possible.
Obama at the funeral for the officers... Equating the shootings...
We also know that centuries of racial discrimination, of slavery, and subjugation, and Jim Crow; they didnโt simply vanish with the law against segregationโฆwe know that bias remains. We know it, whether you are black, or white, or Hispanic, or Asian, or native American, or of Middle Eastern descent, we have all seen this bigotry in our own lives at some point. Weโve heard it at times in our own homesโฆ.No institution is entirely immune, and that includes our police departments. We know this.
Obama at the funeral. Calling police departments racist, and apparently everyone else too.
if youโre black, youโre more likely to be pulled over or searched or arrested; more likely to get longer sentences; more likely to get the death penalty for the same crime.
Obama calling police racist.
All that at the funeral. And that is just a few of the fucked up things he said.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um how dense are you? You are more likely to get pulled over if black, numbers don't lie. Many police departments profile racially, it's obvious. I live in North GA, and I have a buddy that is a cop here. He's cool, but he has personally told me about other cops who are literally full blast racist. It happens, and more than you think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm dense? You hear "black people get pulled over more often" and don't use any sort of critical thinking or anything at all... and just go OK WELL THATS CUZ RACISM IS SO BAD AND STUFF. and I go... Hmmm why is that? Maybe ill fucking google it instead of using my uncle as a source.
edit: you are also more likely to commit traffic offenses if you are poor, and you are more likely to be poor if you are black... you are also more likely to be pulled over if you are in a shitty neighborhood, which you are more likely to be in if you are black.... But lets ignore that and call cops racist at their funeral.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Density. I'm not sure where you were raised, but in the south there is tons of racial profiling. Sure the statistics show that blacks committed more crimes because there are more blacks in poverty, and poverty is directly related to crime. It's not about the actual criminals. It's about the innocent people that get arrested. Falsifying charges. Overzealous charges. It's a reality that a lot of people have not seen. To put this into perspective there was a cop at my dad's restaurant when I was 13. I was helping serve food, and walked by a table that some cops were sitting at. As I'm walking by I hear "did he have a gun?". Then "no, but who cares? One less nigger walking the streets". So sure many times it's justified, but fucked up racist shit happens. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure statistics! However, my anecdotal evidence and feelings are more important! Hahhahaha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try expanding your horizons child. Your arrogance is your weakness.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahhahaha that's so cringe/neckbeard/I'm14andthisisdeep oh god. I pray you are not old enough to vote and will grow out of this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up dirt poor in the ghetto, as the only white person. I make six figures now. I've seen both sides of the story. You've obviously only seen one side. Keep burying your head in the sand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you grew up dirt poor in the ghetto but your dad owned a restaurant and your uncles a cop and now you make six figures. Tell me more about how you were a poor disadvantaged child who learned the horrors of racism while hanging out around cops eating lunch. Also please assume anyone who actually spends the time to learn facts is privileged and will never understand what it's like to be a poor little black child like you. Are you also blind lesbian with a hook hand?
Check your privilege cuz im a limbless transsexual black lesbian orphan illegal immigrant homeless Muslim.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm white. My father opened a restaurant when I was 14 with money that came from a deceased relative. I said a buddy of mine was a cop, not my uncle. Your reading comprehension is elementary. You literally can't even keep up with a small conversation on reddit, yet you're magically intelligent enough to understand societal oppression and the effects on culture? Have you ever even heard of philosophy? In short your last little paragraph just proves that you are not educated, and don't actually comprehend things that are said to you. Enjoy always being right with your futile grade school debate tactics. Bye child.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No plz. Youre too hillarious. Tell me more about your family money and inheritance and how your dad opened a restaurant when you were 14 but you were in the restaurant when you were 13 and cops were racist...
You can't keep your lies straight from one comment to the next... Haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you live in GA I'd be more than happy to show you around his restaurant, Introduce you to him, and make it easy for your feeble mind. I never lied. You're just slow and can't comprehend basic English. I made a typo with the 14. I was 13. Any other silly remarks you'd like to make? How about Facebook or Twitter? Really though. Proving what I'm saying only takes a few clicks of a button. Do you actually want proof? Or do you want to just deflect your ignorance because you're too arrogant to admit that you fucked up. And you think I shouldn't vote, the irony.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God this is comedy gold. You haven't even made an argument besides "cops and (everyone?) are racist because of my personal feelings and my personal feelings are fact because I was poor until I was 13"
Being poor or disadvantaged doesn't make your feelings into facts. facts are completely separate from personal feelings. Which is why I don't tell people about my personal circumstances. It doesn't matter if I'm rich and white and grew up rich and white or if I'm Latino and was homeless as a teen and my mom doesn't even know what year she was born becuase she immigrated without any documents as a child... Neither of those scenarios would make a fucking difference.
I don't care if you vote. you live in GA. I was just hoping you grow up at some point.
Is your argument that because he says bias and racism exists after segragation and within police departments,that means he's also saying all cops are racist?These two ideas are mutually exclusive.On top of that, one of the presidents jobs domestically is to enforce laws. To discredit police,an important group for that goal,live on national tv would be making his job a lot harder.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't just saying bias and racism exist... He is saying that stuff as a direct response to a specific incident... and then EQUATING those incidents with the murder of 5 police offices AT THEIR FUNERAL. Before all the facts are known about those incidents. He is attempting to race bait.
Even though saying what I am about to say will allow you to completely ignore everything I just said because it is so obvious and damning...
It is not the Presidents job to enforce laws. That is for the police, courts, and DOJ. He appoints some judges and the AJ, and is sworn to defend the constitution. He is a politician, which is why he is race baiting and making it more difficult for the police to do their job.
That would only make sense if 1.The dallas shootings were of the same nature of recent police shootings believed to be fueled by racism.2.Share his desire for Americans to respect police forces.
Also,it is the presidents job to enforce laws,as shown here:https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/executive-branch. But just like your local police chief, he doesn't handle it personally,but delegates to groups like the DOJ which is under the executive branch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see people who mourn for the five officers we lost, but also weep for the families of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile. In this audience, I see whatโs possible.
That is Obama. At the funeral. He is the one equating and yeah it doesn't make sense because they are not the same at all. One was a racially motivated execution of 5 people. And the other two WE DONT KNOW. He is race baiting.
To say we should feel sorrow for victims of all of these tragedies is different from equating the severity of each situation. It would be fair to say which situation the president thought was more severe by whose funeral he attended. How do you know the dallas shootings were racially motivated? Thee first cop to be killed was the same race as the shooters.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm not an idiot and I research things at least a little bit before forming an opinion.
Chief Brown said that Johnson, who was black, was upset about recent police shootings and the Black Lives Matter movement, and "stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers."
I mean come the fuck on man I get that some people form opinions without knowing the facts but why are you arguing about something you don't know anything about? You should really try reading about current events and like read multiple sources so you know about things. Do you really think that someone(you) who didn't know the motivations of the Dallas shooter should be arguing about Obamas speech at the funeral? Does it seem like that person(you) is likely making logical well informed conclusions and arguing intelligently?
Banshee90 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:28:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL obama has pushed the Us vs them mentality. See trayvon martin case.
That's literally implying he wouldn't have been killed if he was white, which is race-baity. That makes blacks feel like "we aren't being treated fairly." While personally I don't believe that's true, I can see how several events make it seem that way. But if you look at statistics, (on mobile but I'll link if you want) more white people have been killed by black people this past year.
As far as I can understand, that's calling out white people because, as black people seem to believe they aren't being held to the same standards, despite the fact they can get employed easier as a result of racial quotas, as well as scholarships for university, and other benefits white people just don't get. In fact, my friend's own brother scored better on the final exam in Officer Candidate School than his black competitor, but was unable to get in as a result of a racial requirement that had to be met.
But going back to the calling out of white people, whether Obama intended it or not, he has undoubtedly created tension between black and white citizens by implying inequality exists. In this way, his comments do create an "us vs them," mentality, when he should be focusing on the issue of police brutality.
yes to make it more corrupt than ever. He has used the espionage act to persecute more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined
Staved Off a Bush Depression, Improved the Economy
Then why is the labor force participation rate worse? Why after accounting for inflation is the median salary stagnating?
Addressed Wrongdoing in the Financial Sector
not one single wallstreet banker went to jail for the subprime mortgage bubble.
ohpee8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously didn't read any of the specific examples you deplorable piece of trash. All you idiots do is look at headlines, which is evidenced by you listing only what was bolded.
Bisuboy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-his policies lead to the rise of the biggest terrorist organization in the history of our race (ISIS)
-he managed to double national debt
-he managed to put race relations back a good 30 years
Yeano. ISIS was gonna happen regardless due to our presence in the middle east and the disaster after our initial invasion and leaving. We've had them coming for like the last 20 years
Bisuboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leaving Iraq and destabilizing Syria were the two main things that made ISIS become the biggest terrorist organization in the history of this planet, so it is clear that Obama's policies lead to today's ISIS.
I promised my republican friend that if obama didn't lower unemployment and our debt by the time he was outta office, ill eat a hat. Looks like I'm not eating a hat.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An impressive amount of damage, yes. What about the $1.3-billion arms deal (guns/tanks/trucks/ammo) he just made with Saudi Arabia who we know are actively funding and providing resources for ISIS (HRC even admitted to that knowledge in her leaked emails) where we actually lost $0.4-billion on the deal. Or the $1.7-billion in cash he just gave to Iran without congress' approval. $400-million of which was supposed to be for the few American hostages they had taken. You remember that? Because I remember that we were never supposed to negotiate with terrorists.. and then I remember Obama promising $400-million for them.. and then when they were finally released after being held hostage for over a year I remember Obama making them buy their own flights home - how shitty is that? Or how about the fact that he always picks on Trump for wanting to build a wall along the Mexican border "ahh, why would we need a wall? Walls never work.. hurr-du-hurr" and then he goes and gives Mexico $76-million for them to go build a wall on their southern border of MX/Central America. Like, are you serious? Obama is a piece of shit.. I just wouldn't expect those little kids saying that to know those facts.
It is impressive how much his handlers have fucked the country. Obama himself doesn't do anything aside from smoke crack and watch gay porn. The Democratic leadership calls the shots. That's why they ran a candidate this year who is mentally unfit to be president. She can repeat lines given to her and that's all they need
818lafan ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:49:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice tinfoil hat you got there
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poe's law anyone?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:41:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who work in the white house and people who saw him wandering around DC while high. He use to do that a lot early in his tenure as president. They have him,under tighter control now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why the US needs the ability for presidents to run for longer than 2 terms, but then they'd also need to stop their election process from being rigged.
LyreBirb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get rid of fptp voting, use (iirc) alternative run off.
Eliminate the electoral college. It had a purpose back when only the top ten percent were literate and their ten percent educated. Now it's a tool of corruption invalidating the will of the people. Yes against both parties.
I meant works as in it works, not as it it's beneficial.
Maybe we'd have more remain votes. But I think it'd be more likely for the leave results to be even higher. There's a lot of xenophobia and stupidity in the British public. Unless that's the vocal minority, we'd be getting more leave votes, especially since most people that wanted to vote remain did vote remain as they saw how important it'd be.
But you can't say for definite if Brexit would've been successful or not.
Also, it's a good way to know what your prime minister wants. Theresa May dislikes the idea of leaving the EU and she can easily say the referendum didn't count.
LyreBirb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm saying to first-past-the-post technically works as intended it's just completely stupid.
I didn't say the vote would sail if you were using a run-off system I said the vote never would have taken place if you were using a runoff system.
And for the record I used voice to text and yes it's decided on two different ways to say run off sorry make that 3
dynaboyj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hell, I'm 17 and I still pretty much parrot's my dad's liberal views. It's never uncommon for people who don't know what they're talking about to want to form an opinion.
Personally, if I were teaching a class like that, I'd give a basic lesson on how it works and then show it in action. For example, how someone can win the vote when the majority didn't vote for them (possibly by having them vote for favorite cartoon characters or something).
If you teach them nothing else, ingrain this in their little fertile minds...that we don't HAVE to always choose between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche...that and the importance of voting for your state senators and congressmen as well as state government, that's how you get real time change where you live.
I honestly think they are repeating what their parents say.
The first time I voted, I voted for Reagan (round 2) and I voted that way because my Mom and Dad did. I was maybe in my mid to late 20's before I started paying attention on my own.
The one consensus from everyone is how much they hate Obama but literally cannot back it up with one reason as to why. Again just parroting their parents.
This is how Republicans are trained.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Replace Obama with Bush and the same is true for Democrats. You may have a different set of opinions but you aren't exempt from this behavior.
by_whom ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:45:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually people don't like Bush because he was a bad president. Taxes dropped some, but it led to a soaring budget deficit after it had finally been balanced for the first time since the 1820s. He oversaw one of the worst economic disasters ever and did nothing because in a few months it wouldn't be his problem. He signed into law the PATRIOT act and started the NSA spying program. Oh and Iraq? Yeah, I can never figure out how the right somehow justifies making up bogus reasons to invade a sovereign nation. We all know it was really about finishing what dad started and making Cheney and his friends rich, and who cares about the fact that it destabilized an entire region.
Yeah, most Democrats have a reason for disliking Bush. Ignorant Republicans dislike Obama because he's black.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:54:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ignorant Republicans dislike Obama because he is black"
Got it, anyone who doesn't like Obama is just racist. Way to hide behind the race card. Not to mention racist to assume that just because a white person doesn't like a black person it is because of race.
Except.. that is why most don't like him. Or they think he's muslim. Same same.
Not sure why the 2 other people that replied to you got down voted. They're right. While there certainly are some people who are just racist and don't like Obama because of his race or they think he's muslim, it's far from "most".
I would say that the majority don't like Obama because of his policies, stances, etc., not his race, him supposedly being muslim, etc.
Saying that most don't like Obama because he's black or they think he's muslim is a great way to simply dismiss anyone who disagrees with Obama's policies and stances. That way you don't have to acknowledge their complaints about his policies because "Those dissenters are just a bunch of rasists".
by_whom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's solidly because of race. Full disclosure, I'm a WASP Republican. Or I would be if the leadership hadn't gone full retard since 2008
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Republican, but not Republican. Don't see how that gives you credibility, especially if your allegiance changed starting at Obama's election and continuing to the present.
by_whom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I do have some words. I phrased that last bit to bait out some of the ignorant Republicans and demonstrate that the Republican party is actually a majority of reasonable people who can critically analyze their party and the failures. However, we're viewed by everyone else as a bunch of racist hyper Christian authoritarians, and it's because of ignorant monkeys that immediately jump on the opportunity to pick any fight about any issue and DENY DENY DENY that our party has ever done anything bad, when we've done many things this mellinium that are in fact harmful to the country, race relations, gender disparity, human rights, etc.
I don't care about social issues, imo the government doesn't belong in social issues beyond ensuring people aren't hurting each other. For fucks sake, I just want the government to spend a bit less money and reasonably leave me alone, and I have to get thrown in with those fucks. It makes me sick.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can see how unaware these people are. DUHHHH Republicans are racist.
I can't see it but I presume drool is pouring out of their mouths while moaning/typing that out. It's so simple but as long as they keep it simple it makes it easy for them to form arguments.
These idiots probably don't even know he is picking a fight with Russia, right now, with no evidence whatsoever.
Or the fact he pissed away the internet to the u.n.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, most Democrats have a reason for disliking Bush. Ignorant Republicans dislike Obama because he's black.
Way to prove his point that most Democrats are the same. DUHHHH they are racist!
Yup they are so stupid they think they can win by relying on just white males. That's your belief towards them. Must blow your mind when black people vote right wing.
Besides, what has the former slave party, the dems, done for black people other than create massive division? BLM formed under his watched.
by_whom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, see elsewhere. I'm a Republican, I don't care too much to answer questions for dems
Some are, but far fewer. The amount of rabidity among Republicans is sky high. The Republicans have AM radio (yes, still a factor) and the internet site/talk stars spewing all kinds of conspiracy theories. Can you find "liberal" sites spewing derision and mocking of certain "conservative" candidates, sure, but add up those with the rabid "conservative" sites/talk stars and you will find that the "conservatives" outrank "liberals" by a wide margin. The most rabid "liberal" personality you can find is Thom Hartmann, and he just doesn't rank up there with Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Neal Boortz, etc, etc, etc. Oh, there is Stephanie Miller, but she's just into comic mocking. Hmmm, who else? Nothing of note.
DVasky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inb4 Iraq war being a perfect reason not to like bush
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His miss management of post war Iraq and Syrian meddling helped make ISIS a force to be reckoned with.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Obama gave the internet to the u.n. Thats another reason to despise that loser.
So many reasons unless you watch cnn which the left does since their opinions run the same as media's. Media is so trustworthy I wish my opinions were the same.
Emails show clinton sold weapons to isis. That's continuing Obama said legacy.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, you HAVE to be an American to think thar.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really sure what you are getting at. If you are trying to shame me because of my nationality you found the wrong /u/.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Just saying that you would have to be American to think that. The rest of the world hated him on his policies and the Iraq war.
I'm assuming most of them watched or listened to him speak for upwards of 2 minutes.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be awesome to have literally the same view as media. But 94% of Americans don't trust the media. Think about that. Cnn and you have the 100% same opinion so you must love it, right?
Magically, all the lefties have the magical same opinion as most media sources. Pretty outstanding stuff but I am sure you're a free thinker and came to that conclusion by yourself.
This post sums up American politics. The majority of individuals think and vote based on party lines because their parents did/do and their parents before them. Some individuals either rebel or reach and age where their opinions can be changed based on argument or life experience.
I also suspect there is a lot of Fox News going on in those houses.
My preschool aged daughter has seen both on the news a lot and we have talked about them both a little bit to her. When asked who she would vote for she said,"I want Hillary to be President but I like Trump a little bit." Why? "Because he yells and screams like I do."
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:53:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another ringing endorsement. "VOTE TRUMP 2016: HE SPEAKS TO AMERICA. SPECIFICALLY, THE PART OF AMERICA WHO DON'T WANNA TAKE A NAP NO NO NO NO NO NO NO YOU CAN'T MAKE ME NO NO NO I HATE YOU YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOMMY NO."
Not a teacher or in elementary school, but my science teacher last year said that we should round up all Mexicans, not just illegal immigrants, and deport them to Mexico by boat.
A boat to Mexico, lol.
TedUpvo ยท 1704 points ยท Posted at 16:59:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
all Mexicans, not just illegal immigrants
"Get on the boat."
"Why?"
"You're going to Mexico."
"We're already in Mexico."
"Just get on the boat."
[deleted] ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 22:11:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ictp42 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:23:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i am actually surprised that that exists.
by_whom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no no the key is to have Mexicans build the wall. Ask em to give the other side a look to make sure everything is good, then slam the doors behind them.
Agreed. We actually had a radical Christian creationist-type science teacher when I was in high school a million years ago....he ended up being suspended after writing some publicly published article about how our high school was "like a concentration camp" because it allowed or encouraged children to embrace "alternative" sexualities and invite Satan into their lives. I don't get the comparison but....wow. He also publicly outed a lesbian student who was officially still closeted, and called her parents to task for not "doing enough" about it. No one seemed to have a problem with that, though. ๐ก
Point is, "science" doesn't mean a lot, sometimes, unfortunately.
He only wants his kids to hear what he has to say. He only wants all kids to hear what he has to say. I know plenty of educators and would-be educators that home school their own kids but want to work public. Every one of them is domineering and either a creationist or climate change denier.
Just wait for it. When you get to see which of your classmates grow up to be teachers, it will all make sense. In fact, you will find it simply miraculous that a sizable amount of teachers are actually sane is even possible.
Oh I'm already there. Just finished college so like half of the girls I went to high school just got their first teaching jobs. I think about how most of the teachers I've had were actually really great, then look at my former peers and just can't comprehend how those people could ever do a good job. Especially the ones who decided it was okay for them to move to the city and teach CPS after living in a wealthy white myopic world their whole lives.
I'm not saying I'm exceptionally smart or that it really means anything, but I'm a high school student and understand science much better than most of the other people in my class. There are professors and researchers all over in various fields of science that believe in some form of religion. It isn't an all or nothing thing. Not everything in faith contradicts science or vice versa, in fact much of the former is debatable and we can learn more about it from our world.
I had a physics teacher who was a born again Christian, but surprisingly not in-your-face about it. We used to enjoy asking him about his trips to China to give out bibles. I had total respect for him because he understood that I found maths (and by extension, physics) incredibly difficult and he never made me feel worthless about it. Mr Briggs, you were one of the coolest teachers!
ispikey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see that as more of the saying "those who can't do, teach" He wasn't an actual scientist, dude was a teacher, who apparently sucked at his job.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:23:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love my weather class professor, everytime climate change comes up he says, "people who deny that the climate changes (shakes head) ... it's like denying gravity!" Then continues with the lecture.
Yeah, a tonne is the same thing as a megagram. Technically the tonne is sort of an accepted unit in SI, without being a proper SI unit. Sort of like using litres instead of cubic metres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-SI_units_mentioned_in_the_SI
Should have asked her if her weight was significantly less than that of a cubic meter of water. If she said no, boom, you are free to claim she admitted to weighing almost a metric tonne.
Yes but international waters are probably more friendly law wise. I don't know much but I doubt mexico takes too kindly of us deporting their citizens throught their country.
One of my cousins declared this for ALL immigrants. He blocked me after I told him what I'd to to him with our second amendment rights. (my wife is an immigrant)
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:51:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cousin is a shithead, but I'd block you too if you threatened to shoot me.
When someone says stupid shit, do not answer them with violence. Terrorists do that, not decent people. Only respond with violence, if they show their gun.
Sorry I should have been clear. I meant defending my home. He literally wanted police to come to peoples home and remove them LEGAL and illegal immigrants. Actively, supporting violence to remove me and my family. (oh..apparently our situation was different.)
I get this shit from people who I work with. Probably 30-40% of people on our staff are immigrants. Yet they still think it's fine to say how none of us should be there, but when you call them on it it's all "oh not you!!!" Like, who do you mean then? Those people you've never fucking met before who may or may not exist? Do you have any idea how much time and money my family has spent trying to stay in this country? It makes my blood boil.
Yeah... California has 3.4 million more Mexicans than you guys do. You guys are second though, even if it is a distant second! I mean if you combine the next three states with the highest population of Mexicans with yours you barely beat us out.
Something to take into consideration though, is that its a really inaccurate measure, is that the illegals are UNDOCUMENTED, so its really hard to get a measure. but then again im not sure. But its also only 1.3million more than us. still distant, but alot less.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, no. Think about it. A single person with a pole can push along a several hundred ton barge without too much difficulty. That same person could not do that with a train.
boats are larger and can carry many people. Not many people are going to jump off a boat miles from the coast to try to escape. It is a lot easier to drop off the people further south than Tijuana.
I once had a science teacher accuse one of my friends of being a communist and putting "him on a one way bus ticket to Cuba." He was joking and my friend is actually Mexican I believe but still, it took way to long for half of the class bimbos to get it.
This sounds like an AOE battle strategy, if you have lots of resources. A wall blocking the small piece of land you need to cross into enemy territory? No matter, build a harbor right there and transport ship your units like two steps distance around the wall.
So he is that dumb, but he still has a job teaching? Dear god...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also guessing he had no understanding of the concept of biracial citizens? Like, what would he do to people who were half Mexican, half American White/Black/Asian/First Nation?
If you were in Florida, it would probably be a boat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, and Mexico all boarder the Gulf of Mexico. She's racist, but it's certainly possible. Especially if they were put on all those cruise ships to Mexico, you could send them all the way down to Cozumel.
Not a teacher or in elementary school, but my science teacher last year said that we should round up all Mexicans, not just illegal immigrants, and deport them to Mexico by boat.
If I had a teacher said this I would most likely had asked him: and when will you be boarding the boat deporting people to Europe?
Except if he was clearly native-american, because he would be the one doing the deporting in that scenario.
And...that was your science teacher that said that? The one that's supposed to at least have some understanding of the difference between water and land, and their respective vehicles?
ramo805 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:35:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
True, I would also call them "kneelers" since they still have a figurative Queen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ramo805 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my reply was to /u/Aurora_Fatalis making a reply to /u/Wackydetective who commented about USA being the wildlings and Canadiens being the Westorosi and /u/Aurora_Fatalis agreeing since Americans usually call themselves the "land of the free" similar to wildlings calling themselves "free folk"
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:15:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we are the ones who reject monarchy and obsess about freedom.
macnbloo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stark is actually the name of one of New Hampshire and Vermont's earliest heroes. We're the last defense for civilized men before the great frozen North.
Krinks1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its make sense. The game of thrones is strong, with Hilary Targaryen trying to reclaim what is rightfully hers, but the ever rich Donald Lannister wants it for himself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't seen us after an NHL playoff game.
OK6502 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True north strong and free.
I think it's pretty clear we're the free folk and they're the kneelers
Nah, that'll never happen. Canadians revel in every chance they get to piss in Americans' faces, they wouldn't miss an opportunity to do it. People have Canadians pegged for these really nice people, but they're really not. Out of all the anglophones, Canadians are the most arrogant and shit-talking, it's just they do it really politely, or it just sounds polite due to their accent.
Not that we Americans don't deserve having people piss in our face every now and then, because, let's face it: we're a total shit show right now...but it's practically a Canadian pastime. We do it to them as well, but there's no malice behind our teasing, unlike with Canadians.
BarTroll ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that at least half of the nations in the UK could lecture canadians on arrogance and shit-talking.
Yes, but how to do it PROPERLY. UK nations are massive shit-talkers, but it's because they don't take themselves seriously and will admit they're just as fucked. There's very little malice, just more of a statement of facts/opinions. Sure, it comes off as arrogant but I believe that's just due to (mainly) England's massive inferiority complex they have with the US.
yaypal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mmm, you know what, I'm Canadian and I'm not going to refute your statement on us shit-talking. I'd say that we're genuinely polite in all other aspects but boy howdy do we love making fun of Americans for a multitude of reasons. Not other countries, just Americans.
It's other countries too on occasion, but you're right: it's mainly Americans.
I chalk it up to the luxury of being relatively insignificant in the world, and I honestly don't mean that as any sort of slight. Canada reaps all the benefits of America without any of the drawbacks. It's hard to fuck that up.
There's always the "Canada is the greatest place on earth in which to live" line you always hear from Canadians, and while I really can't argue with it, everyone seems to overlook the fact that being the second largest nation in the world with a mere 35 million inhabitants pretty much guarantees you a high standard of living.
Stannis is the one with experience that isn't right for the throne. Joffrey is a child with sadistic tendancies that is only in power because of his inheritance.
Pretty much spot fucking on.
BarTroll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you are right. I just wanted to throw Sanders into that analogy.
Stannis is an excellent military strategist, not a leader or ruler. He has the experience to become king, but lacks the tact and human aspect of a good king. He's stone cold and calculating.
Sure as fuck he'd be a great choice, but he was no Renly.
Renly is exactly what you don't want. He wasn't fit to be a King. He was just like Robert, a stunning military commander, but not made to be a ruler.
Stannis was the best choice of the five Kings by leagues, simply because of his attitude toward the job. It was his duty, and his right, not an ambition.
Basically, the first time I read the words "Night Watch" in the Games of Thrones novels, all I could think of was Captain Vimes, Carrot, Angua, Fred Colon, Nobby Nobbs, Detritus, Cheery Littlebottom, among so many others at the Wall in the North...
...and for some reason, a White Walker ambling up and muttering "buggerit"
It makes sense. The Night's Watch mostly takes the mentally handicapped, rapists, thieves, and the poor. The exact recruitment requirements for the US Navy.
Landown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump gets elected, they'll need that giant ice wall between them and the US or the wildlings are gonna get in.
mtt87 ยท 899 points ยท Posted at 15:42:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The specifications are as follows: massive barrier of mostly ice stretching across the northern border of the ฬถSฬถeฬถvฬถeฬถnฬถ ฬถKฬถiฬถnฬถgฬถdฬถoฬถmฬถsฬถ ฬถ United States of A, separating it from the wild lands beyond. The Wall is one hundred leagues long and reaches over seven hundred feet at his highest point, although some foundation blocks in hilly regions, such as near ฬถGฬถrฬถeฬถyฬถgฬถuฬถaฬถrฬถdฬถ ฬถ Sweet Grass, send it nine hundred feet in the air.
Protip: use "~~" before and after your text to strikeout.
Example
Edit: Two on each side, people. No space in between the squiggles. To Italicize is one asterisk on each side of the text, Bold is two asterisks on either side of the text.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, is there any way to put a blank line between paragraphs? My one continuing disappointment with Reddit. I know I can have a . at the start of a line to do so (with four spaces after it to "trick" the markdown), but then folks wonder why there is a . there. I suspect part of the idea is to keep folks from going on and on (like this?), but still it would be nice to have a little white space.
pondwisp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have helped me from not needing to eventually get around to googling this and I thank you.
One hundred leagues according to Google is just under 350 miles, so if you build it along the northern border of Washington state starting at the west coast it would make it about two thirds of the way to Idaho.
[deleted] ยท 856 points ยท Posted at 15:49:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're gonna build a wall and keep the Quebecers out!
The roads are pretty shitty and there's constant construction but if you don't live here that's all you'll notice. The metro is the easiest way to get around the city if your destination isn't within walking distance, and it works pretty well. Montreal isn't a dangerous city by any means.
Wish I could upvote this twice, but I'm too busy weeping because all my provincial income taxes for last year are probably in some shady construction guy's pockets somewhere around Quartier 10-30
Zebidee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they are very dangerous and may attack at any time.
But it'll be super shoddy, and 13 million dollars over budget.
El-Kurto ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:17:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"No thanks, we've already got one!
<Whispers> I told them we've already got one."
Aikistan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:03:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did. It's called "French."
rslake ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They don't even have the decency to call it French, it's "Quebecois." They built a wall around the name of the language.
Edit: Holy shit the citizens of Montreal have arrived and they brought their downvotes. Guys, hold your fire! I'm not even Canadian! I'm just being snarky at you because Americans are required to pick on anyone who speaks French (seriously, it's in the Constitution). Can't we just go to Hortons together, share some timbits, and talk this over?
Fatburg ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:34:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two men, one from Ontario and one from Quebec, were in a cave when they came across a magic lamp.
While they were fighting over whom the lamp belonged to, a genie popped out.
The genie said, "I shall grant each of you one wish and only one, so make it good."
The Quebecois spoke first, "I want you to build a one hundred-foot high wall around the border of Quebec. This will ensure that the English culture does not corrode our superior heritage."
The genie nodded, "done," he then turned to the Ontarian. "And your wish?"
If all Canadians are wildlings, and amongst ourselves we all see Quebec as being an unfavorable, bat-shit-crazy, and difficult to get along with group, but still a part of Canada nonetheless.
Then that makes the Quebecois people Thenns.
derp6667 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And 148 collisions on Friday, because people always forget how to drive in the snow as well as put on their winter tires before it gets to the point that you absolutely need them
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is West-Texas-level winter preparedness. How is that even possible in Canada?
To be fair this is a really early snowfall even for Edmonton. We usually expect the first snow of the season a couple of days around Halloween. Last year was the exception though since it didn't really snow till early December.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a guy that grew up in Belgium and now lives in Central-Alberta. Apparently the majority of Canadians here hate the cold and hate winter and hate snow.
I just love the fact that my two week winter window in Belgium has now become a 4,5 even 6 month window. Finally enough time to finish a decent snow man.
Also skiing. Living in Belgium to have a decent ski adventure you need to go to France or Austria or Switzerland and it has always been to expensive for me so I have never skied. Now I ski 2 - 4 times a year at sunshine. Got old rental skiis and booths for a 100 CAD. Day tickets for sunshine can be found as low as 75 CAD. After that all I need is a friend that wants to skiing to and has a car and chip in some money for gas. I fricking love skiing. It's the best thing ever! And if I ever get bored of it I can try snowboarding.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
West Texas, not West, Texas. Don't start adding commas, Shatner.
Most Canadians use metric in formal settings, but will combine them willingly in more casual conversation.
For example, we measure height in meters for inanimate objects, but people and plants tend to be done in inches or feet. More formal settings use centimeters for those. People have a better grasp on centimeters than inches, but no real preference for meters vs feet.
Weather reports are done in Celsius, but precipitation is more variable - most stations will say "__ inches or __ centimeters", and inches are more common in conversation.
Small weights are done in pounds, and people tend to have more sense of the weight of pounds than kilograms. You'll hear "seven pounds" a lot, but rarely "seven kilos" - usually kilograms will be rounded to multiples of 10, as people aren't as comfortable with them.
Long distances are almost always kilometers, but you can use "miles" in casual conversation and people will subconsciously convert between them.
That's just a few examples, and it's on a case-by-case basis. There are a few situations where we always use metric - for example, you'll never hear "Fahrenheit" outside of American media, except maybe in schools (most provinces have conversion between metric and imperial as part of the curriculum, as it's pretty important in North America). For the most part, though, people know intuitively how to roughly estimate unit conversions and it's not too weird to mix and match them.
Don't forget that southern Ontario is farther South than many states, and most of our country is up much higher than us. BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, most of Quebec, and the Martimes are all farther North.
Hmm? I know just about every one else in the world uses the Imperial system of measurement... If thats what you were implying? Idk not much to go off on the comment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We've had snow a couple of times so far in Calgary.
You think where you live defines the experience of all Canadians? Ontario typical. :)
mting622 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 of my classmates do something similar. During study hall, they take their books and combine them into a wall because they sit directly behind a mexican kid.
bent42 ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're gonna need it if he gets elected.
I wonder what they will call us? "Whitebacks" maybe?
gcbsumid ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 15:46:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of when I would play "Oklahoma bombing" with my friend right after it happened. We would pretend people were trapped in the house and we had to rescue them before the alarm clock went off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chuckles They are building a Trump Wall out of snow? Hilarious. I may have misunderstood, but are they doing it to mock Trump?
Where are you that you're getting snow already? Especially enough to build a wall.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a very sound idea. They're building the wall to keep us Americans out. Or rather, soon to be renamed, Trumpians. Who does Trump's bidding. Fumbling about with half baked lunacy and jerking off wherever.
xxavierx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...dare I ask what province are you in? Please don't say Ontario (from a fellow Ontarian)
I had to change my jeans to shorts this afternoon today, because the high is 88 degrees (F), despite the mornings/evenings being between 50 and 70 degrees (F) over the last week or so. It's crazy how living in geographically variable (yet often similar culturally) cities has such a significant impact on your sensitivity to varying temperatures and climates. You probably have a lot of really comfortable socks, which sounds great.
nlpnt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...And they're gonna make the US pay for it!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and the wall is defending the North from the south. Clinton and Trump are the white walkers and the smart americans are the wildlings trying to escape. The rest are zombies following one or The Other.
Wolfntee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are going to need it for all of the refugees from the U.S.
Chimone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where the hell are you right now that has that sticky enough snow to build Fort Trump?
Not this election, but every time it's election season my mom makes a note to remind me that when I was 4, I supported George W. Bush for president because "it would be neat to have a shrubbery for president"
I read ALOT as a kid, and contextually I could always know when to use words, although I might not understand their meaning. I just liked using flowery words!
That subreddit I can only take in tiny bursts, but I think it's really funny. I tried to direct bill burr to it via the twitter machine, but he's a dick and won't satiate my need for him to mock those posts for my entertainment.
Love Louie! Love everything that guy does. How can't you like Burr though? Or rather what don't you like about him? I enjoy his delivery and snideness. My favorite is probably Doug Stanhope though, of current comedians.
Noelwiz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:42:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
come on, it's 2001 for fucks sake, how have we not had a shrub president?
ij380 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said the exact same thing as a 4 year old in the 1992 election!
rouseco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only the best Shrubbery, people stop me in the street just to tell me how great my shrubbery is. Shrubbery experts all ask me what makes my shrubbery so great.
That reminds me of when I was in 5th grade when the popular game to play on the playground was called Mexicans vs. Americans. There was a big climbing wall that was the border of Mexico. We'd split into two teams and the goal was the Americans had to try and keep any Mexicans from climbing over the border. The teachers shut that game down pretty quickly after finding out what it was. This was about 10 years ago but the memory is still fresh in my mind.
We just played smear the queer. Whoever had the ball was the queer, and you had to smear him. Nobody had any idea what it meant until around 6th grade probably.
Edit: been waiting for this. My top comment is about smearing a queer.
I always thought "queer" in the name of the game was meant in the sense of "odd man out" (since the word literally just means "strange") and had nothing to do with anything LGBT.
I'm thinking it happened somehow along the lines of "Oh Margaret, I say, I do think the two gentlemen who moved into the old Bartleby house across the street seem a tad... queer."
Maruff1 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:57:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm old queer still means weird to me and well gay is happy and well now gay. I see nothing wrong with it, that's alot of happy people.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 20:02:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you from the 1800s?
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:19:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gay never really meant happy. It more directly translates to happy go lucky.
Maruff1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:16:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it. But I have read alot of books from the 1900's and queer actually meant weird. The gay thing for some reason when I think gay I just think "happy and gay" I don't know why it's either from my mother or from music class in school. The music class was mandatory at the time in 4th grade. Sort of an intro to band cause you could join it in 5th grade. Course this was back when at my school they did hearing, vision, and some spinal condition I can't remember the name of. I want to say God I'm old but I'm 40 so in reddit years I'm like 134
oxydize ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When we played smear the queer, the only definition that I had for queer was 'weirdo'. In my mind I translated it to 'smear the weirdo'. Wasn't until I was older and remembered the game that I had any inkling it meant something else.
Glad I could help! I can confirm P.E. teachers in our district still did visual testing for scoliosis among 5th graders as recently as maybe 2000 (I have a family member with a kid who was tested about that time). Not sure if they still do.
For those who don't know, scoliosis is essentially just a spine that has some side-to-side curvature instead of the normal front-to-back curvature. The "gym class" scoliosis test is to have a kid take off their shirt and bend forward to touch their toes so that the teacher can check to see if they see your spine deviating side-to-side at all or if all of your vertebrae line up as expected.
zeno0771 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For 2/3 of my life it was used as both by everyone I knew. Growing up 'strange' was the only meaning for the word and it could be used either way. There was no sexual connotation at all. Not sure if that's purely age related or also geographical.
When I grew up in Germany, one of the more popular games was "Who is afraid of the black man?". Given that there were pretty much no blacks in Germany at the time, it took me until my mid twenties to realize just how inappropriate the game was.
I discussed this with other Germans, and universally everybody thought I was crazy. It regularly takes quite a while to convince others that "black man" is not in fact a euphemism for chimney sweep.
selucram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ich dachte immer der schwarze Mann in dem Spiel sei vergleichbar mit dem amerikanischen bogeyman. Ich wรคr bis heute nicht auf die Idee gekommen ihn mit einem Schwarzen zu assoziieren.
Und alleine die Tatsache dass du andere davon รผberzeugen musst dass eine schwarze Person damit gemeint sein soll sollte eig. Hinweis genug darauf sein dass das hier einfach kulturell nicht damit in Verbindung gebracht wird.
(Ich muss dazu aber sagen (Kontext) dass ich lรคndlich aufgewachsen bin und bis zur 9 o. 10 Klasse keinen schwarzen Mitschรผler hatte)
Ich bin mittlerweile davon รผberzeugt, daร das Spiel in der Tat ursprรผnglich rassischtisch gemeint war. Es ist ein, soweit ich weiร, recht altes Spiel. Und bis vor wenigen Generationen war Fremdenfeindlichkeit ziemlich normal und gesellschaftlich akzeptiert. Lies Dir einfach mal alte Kinderbรผcher durch. Das kรถnnte man heute wirklich nicht so sagen. Struwelpeter, Geschichten von Wilhelm Busch oder sogar einige der Grimm'schen Mรคrchen sind zum Teil sehr krass.
Ich lese zur Zeit meinen Kindern klassische Kinderbรผcher zum Einschlafen vor. Und selbst so etwas harmloses wie Astrid Lindgren kann manchmal recht unfreundlich sein. Die Zeiten รคndern sich dauernd und Dinge, die vor wenigen Jahren vรถllig normal waren, klingen heute einfach unpassend.
Es muร noch nicht einmal wirklich bรถse gemeint sein. Aber Angst vor dem Unbekannten und allen "anderen" war damals ziemlich รผblich, und selbst heute ist das nicht immer so viel besser. Mein Vater erzรคhlt mir immer noch lebhaft von den Feindseligkeiten zwischen Katholiken und Protestanten, die er als Kind erlebt hat. Und da war die "Andersartigkeit" wirklich nicht so schrecklich groร.
Ich gebe Dir allerding recht, daร das Spiel im Laufe der Zeit seine ursprรผngliche Bedeutung verloren hat. Und dazu hat bestimmt die Tatsache beigetragen, daร unsere Generation zu einer Zeit aufgewachsen ist, in der es einfach keine Gelegenheit gab, Schwarze zu sehen. Auรerdem ist der Begriff "Schwarzer Mann", abgesehen von dem Spiel, nicht wirklich gebrรคuchlich gewesen.
Vergleiche das auch ruhig mit dem Begriff "Negerkuร". Als ich ein Kind war, hat niemand ein Problem mit diesem Wort gesehen. Es war zwar selbst damals strenggenommen ein fremdenfeindlicher Begriff; aber genauso wie bei dem obenstehenden Spiel, war es nicht wirklich bรถsartig gemeint war.
selucram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ich sag heute noch Mohrenkopf dazu... Negerkuร kenne ich zwar vom Begriff her aber wirklich jemanden nutzen sehen hab ich das Wort auch nicht wirklich.
Dass die Geschichten frรผher viel brutaler und intoleranter waren ist mir durchaus bewusst, und evtl. war es auch ursprรผnglich rassistisch gedacht - aber mir ging es eig. eher nur darum dass du gesagt hattest dass das Spiel als solches unangemessen sei, was ich nicht finde, wenn man bedenkt, dass Kinder das iaR nicht in diesem ggf. ursprรผnglich rassistischen Kontext sehen.
Das Spiel als solches ist OK und ein guter Zeitvertreib imho.
Don't worry, Germans are not the only ones to pick questionable brand names for their products. One of my favorite tooth paste brands is from Hong Kong. It proudly advertises with a stylized picture of a black man flashing his shiny white teeth. The brand name was originally "Darkie". But apparently after Colgate bought the brand, they decided to change the name by a single letter. It is now called "Darlie". The Chinese name is unchanged as ้ปไบบ ("haak yahn", black man), though...
We didn't even use a football after a while. The retarded kid would just be the queer.... and then, we he quit coming to school, I was the queer.... I missed him.
Ligless ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:08:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So wait, you just had a set game where the goal was just to always beat up one guy? Until he quit going to school?
Dude.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:18:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid, I knew what "queer" meant, but I still wanted to play. I think at one point I called it "the game formerly known as smear the queer". I think some alternative names were suggested, but they were all way gayer than "queer" could ever be.
Well we were 9. If you didn't understand, you are supposed to tackle the fuck out of the kid who had the ball with the intention of knocking it out. It was basically a free for all rugby game with no score, and you just played until someone got hurt usually.
Namboman ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:38:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I played football for 7 years and I don't think I ever hit a kid as hard as I did in elementary school smear the queer hahahaha
or......kids don't usually have a concept of severity, and don't hold back. As you get older, you realize more how badly you can hurt someone and don't play as hard, in most cases.
We would generally play until enough people got hurt that we literally couldn't.
Of course, we also played a game we called "Poing" where we would all get on the trampoline at once and actively try to knock each other off via midair collision. We were not really all that smart.
Clacie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah we played the same thing. Except we would drive around in pickup trucks and assault those damned homosexuals. They deserved it. Damn gays ruining everything
Rucio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how that one caught on... My school in Ohio had the principal talk to us and shut it down after some kid broke his arm. She also didn't like the name of the game.
I loved that game because I could run fast but had no coordination so unlike football where I had to know how to throw or catch, I could just pick the damn thing up and run, or beat the shit outta the kid who had the ball. When teachers told us not to call the game that because it wasn't nice, we renamed it "kill the man with the ball".
Ah smeer the queer. When PC wasn't a thing and we didn't know what it meant anyway!
gt4674b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a fun game too and now I have no idea what to even call it. AFIAK l, it's not like cross cross applesauce where there's a known PC name for it now.
Rcp_43b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god.... I just had a flash back to like 4th or 5th grade when we used to play that... I remember telling a teacher who asked what we did that weekend that me and my friends played Smear the Queer. She looked horrified and I confusedky explained the game and she seemed to feel better about it. I was embarrassed and had forgotten this until now.
We broke a kid's tibia on the last day of school, 6th grade, playing that. It had been outlawed early in the year for being gratuitous violence, but we decided they couldn't punish us on the last day so we'd play anyway (r/madlads, right?). Big mistake for poor Jason.
But we got to see an ambulance drive across the field, so that was cool.
We played that too! Our PE teacher even called it that, as well as "Rugby". Found out I was good at running/plowing on through their polite tackle attempts.
Oh, so that's the game Bill Burr was talking about on his podcast this week. He just said it was a word he couldn't say anymore and I just couldn't figure out what it could have been.
I played that game too! Didn't know it was all that common!
AptQ258 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:36:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We played a game called "Ant Shit". It was the same as Tag except when you were it you had the ant shit. We played Ant Shit because Tag was banned. Shortly thereafter Ant Shit was banned too. The teacher called my dad because I was inciting gang activity too in 4th grade.
During gym the teachers combined the girls' and boys' sophomore gym classes, and timed us on how fast it took to get over a wall. Obviously, Trump jokes commenced.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in elementary school (1980's Mississippi in a 99% white school, for reference) we played a game called "Rednecks and Niggers" (literally what we called it) where we divided up into teams, and the "rednecks" team had to round up the "niggers" and put them in the "jail" or "cotton field" (usually a section of the playground) and the "niggers" team had to "kill" the rednecks by throwing rocks at them. If you got hit by a rock you were out.
Teachers caught on and made us change the name to "cops vs. criminals" and start throwing paper balls instead of rocks.
My sisters and I used to play 'slaves'. If one of us broke something and the others didn't rat you out, you'd be the slave of one of the others. Or if i hurt my little sister and she doesn't tell on me, I'll be her 'slave' for a few hours or until we forgot. Bring her food, do her homework, her chores, etc. The concept and very word slave didn't mean anything negative to us, it was a historical way of life. I don't know who came up with the game, but I will say we were white, privileged children who had no actual knowledge of historically accurate slavery. I'm from rural Louisiana. Sometimes I wonder when I made the complete 180 in my mind.
I had a similar version of that except it was an "underground school-wide recess game" of essentially "betting" on how long certain kids could last on the "super spinning tire-swing" thing we had on our playground, thing had like lubed ball barrings or something, it was WAY too spinny than it needed to be. So we took advantage of that and we'd have two or more of the bigger/stronger students, one was Big Jon I remember, they would spin the participants legs and bodies furiously around until they were going straight Lawnmower Man, spinning around like a NASA G-test, kids would fly off after losing grip or the blood rushing to their heads, getting thrown into the playground pit gravel, onto the poles, and even other kids! It last for about a month I'd say, until one little dude took a real shiner on his noggin after his entire body was ejected from the Tire-Swing G FORCE (like 6 feet of air), think HL2/Battlefield rag-doll physics! So we all (like easily 35-50 kids) all looked at each other shocked, wide-eyed, before a few would break into laughter, others rushed to see if the kid was okay, there were times groups of three or four (in a Battle Royale style) would sit in the middle (backs facing out, and sometimes inward) of it as it spun around at what seemed like super sonic speeds, an odd unsuspecting student would be the victor as what were seemingly the "corpses of the slain" lay to waste. I felt like it was our own little self-appointed cross between Thunderdome and The Running Man.
After Sam (that boy that got the shiner, and I think maybe fractured something, could be wrong) went to the nurses office, I think there were some teachers or assistants that kept their eye on the goings on in the ol' school yard. Kind of funny, I hadn't thought about any of that in ages.
I had a group of fifth graders that would play "la migra" when we went outside at the end of the week. The game was basically tag. They thought it was hilarious. All of them were of Hispanic decent and a handful had recently immigrated so I let the game go on.
Szudar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard kid named Donald invented that game many years ago.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:45:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you cross a boarder, they might kickflip your face.
lalo61 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:05:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf happen to playing bank and robbers. They should of swatted all of you.
[deleted] ยท 4952 points ยท Posted at 16:05:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously: can you think of an insult Trump hurls that's not just a projection of his own shadow? Fat? Ugly? Disgusting big mouth? Serial liar? I guess "bleeding out of her wherever" doesn't apply. Then again...
Poor guy, he's the victim of a campaign of insults.
Two-Tone- ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:31:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm out of the loop, can someone full me in on this apparent burn?
E: downvoted because I wanted context?
teslaabr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:11:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In addition to what /u/poseidon0025 said, the other half is that Trump said the following during his campaign announcement
When Mexico sends its people, theyโre not sending their best. Theyโre not sending you. Theyโre not sending you. Theyโre sending people that have lots of problems, and theyโre bringing those problems with us. Theyโre bringing drugs. Theyโre bringing crime. Theyโre rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Edit: I guess this is how facts and data are treated in the liberal Tucson... No wonder these idiots in the council keep getting reelected, you guys can't even seem to quote things correctly. You re-word every argument I make and argue with that sstrawman. It's mind numbing.
I'm all for some good discussion with people I disagree with, but you need to be able to read first..
That source says the rapes are carried out by coyotes, bandits, government officials and other migrants. Statistics show migrants are responsible for less crime that native citizens.
He'd be telling the truth if he said the majority are good people while a small amount are criminals and rapists.
kjata ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:45:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's cause Coyotes aren't usually very good people not because the majority of people migrating to this country are rapists. I just face palmed so hard at this ridiculous comment.
"they're rapists." As in "they are rapists." Let's say he isn't saying the majority of Mexican immigrants are rapists, there are rapists and drug users and criminals in every culture (and some good people), why would you even say that? He is supposed to be representing our country as a candidate for president, this shows ZERO diplomacy and I'm scared to live in a world where such an ambiguously racist man could be president. That's right, he didn't blatantly say Mexicans are rapists just like he almost never blatantly says anything sexist or racist, but we aren't stupid and we can read through the lines. How many immigrants do you know? I know a lot, my parents included and zero of them have so much as a criminal record. Because when you're an immigrant, you have to try and stay out of trouble to avoid being sent back to the country you escaped.
You really are that dumb? I mean, I know the quote, and I understand english. You seem to either misunderstand the entire quote by lacking the linguistic skill of a 8-year-old, or you're purposefully chopping it up to make an argument that I'm not dumb enough to give credit to.
Either way you add zero value to the discussion when you do that.
I could construe the quote in the same way: Trump said "They're good people" what's the problem?
Well, we've both seen the quote, and you are obviously chopped it up to make a false point. What else am I to assume? Sure it's "calling names" but I'm just using words to describe what I'm seeing. You haven't exactly made a solid argument for yourself or your opinion.
I even provided data and you rephrase that to an idiotic conclusion, so if you have yet to show any sign or logical thinking, why should I take you seriously? At least I provided data, all you've responded with is weak and witless snark.
I'm still all for a good conversation, whenever you intend to actually participate.
So, to pe perfectly clear, you are being very illogical with your responses. I have suggested reasons behind that, be it your incapability or you intentional oversight. You can prove both of those wrong and I will retract my comment on it, more than happily.
We all would like some intelligent conversation on then internet, do we not?
TLDR. This isn't the type of dialogue I want to participate in, it's ironic that your "main problem," is that I have nothing to contribute when I am in fact contributing my opinion and you are shitting on it. I even said, he never blatantly said most immigrants are rapists, but it's still wrong to say what he said. More than that, you are personally attacking me. Make every excuse you want, I don't talk to bullies. Have fun trolling the internet. Peace!
And that's a much better argument. I wish you just made that point instead of trying to twist the words I and Trump said to make that argument. Now,
even said, he never blatantly said most immigrants are rapists, but it's still wrong to say what he said
So by the very fact (the data I provided earlier) that 80%...
Get that. 80% of women crossing the border get sexually assaulted. And yet "what he said is wrong" in your opinion.
Now that you've actually made the point in a coherent way, I can point out how the data debunks it. You can still hold the option all you want but the data shows otherwise. (Unless you have some other data or a logical argument to back your point up OFC.)
Trumps quote:
"they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting."
And the statistic is one of many easily found data sources that substantiate that claim.
So, you may not like what he said, or maybe how he said it(and if that's how you fell I have an explanation for why he worded it that way). But It wasn't wrong. It was accurate. Which is why the wall is so important to so many Americans AND Immigrants. And then fixing our broken immigration system when we will actually enforce the laws on the books first.
And again I wasn't "shitting on your opinion" I had a general idea of what you were getting at, but I wasn't going to respond to a straw man argument. I'm glad you've corrected that and I hope you present your arguments in this more honest fashion. I don't believe your intention was dishonesty, but the nature of how you responded to this originally was dishonest, and would not add to any discussion. It would just make it into an unending shitstorm off of an inaccurate tangent, hence why I harped on it so much.
You might now see this in other people in the future, and I'd encourage you to point it out as well (though, you may be better at doing it nicely than I, that is a work-in-progress for me as clarity is more important to me since lack of it has a longer lasting effect than anyone's feelings) So I appreciate your patience, and now we're both better off for it. Now a discussion can be had!
You are the reason so many people hate Reddit. I'm seriously thinking of never coming on this site again. I started getting on here because I felt a sense of community with my fellow nerds but now I realize it's a place for trolls to lurk in the shadows and pounce on other people they feel are inferior to them. I'm not even reading your responses, just an FYI.
Whelp. I could say the same for you, but I didn't want to. I helped you fix your argument and you you've just explained to me you need a safe space.
What a shame. It's pretty frustrating when you continually and robotically all take another's arguments out of context. You fixed it too, and I was happy to finally have a discussion, but then you just reaffirm my ad hominem.
If you can't handle the trolls, and don't know how to avoid them, this isn't the place for you anyway.
blewpah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't relevant to the population that resides in the US. There are somewhere around 6 million illegal immigrants from Mexico in the US, you're telling me you think somewhere around 80% of those are rapists? 4.8 million illegal mexican rapists? So more than 1 out of every 100 people in the US. Sounds pretty silly doesn't it?
Apart from you wholly misreading the statistic, saying something "sounds silly" isn't an argument.
blewpah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were the one taking the statistic of the percentage of women who are victims of sexual assault while crossing the border as being indicative that Donald Trump's assertion that illegal immigrants as a whole are dangerous/rapists was true. I was applying your logic to the statistics.
You keep changing your argument... and misquoting me. Does anyone in this sub actually read and respond to the shit I actually type?!
Yes, a damn good sized chunk of the immigrants crossing the border, breaking our laws are not generally good people.
But this discussion is pointless, you all are so stuck in your weird parallel dimension you can't even respond to the text right in from of you properly. You have to morph my argument to combat it, it makes you look like a fool.
Not all men talk this way. It's disgusting to excuse it as guy talk, he's saying he can grab anyone's pussy he wants to because he's famous, that's disgusting and would be sexual assault if he ever did that (which he apparently did).
Please, as a man, don't group him with us. Saying all guys brag about wanting to assault women, and use their power to coerce them, is some serious misandry. I know guy talk, and it's "I would like to have sex with that woman" (albeit more crudely worded) not "Yeah, that woman couldn't refuse my advances, so it was great!"
Using positions, power, or connections to convince someone to have sex with you is generally considered coercion, which takes away an aspect of consent, making it considered more rapey. Obviously, getting a friend of yours and them to introduce you two and act as wingman isn't bad or rapey, but having them in your office or inviting them up to first class, where it's hard for them to leave or complain, is definitely quite rapey.
Those last two have been exposed as total lies. I'm not trying to condone what he said, or how he used his popularity to woo women. But I'm far more concerned about the woman who threatens actual rape victims rather than someone who said some dumb shit 11 years ago.
And he's not generally talking about "convincing" anyone, he's talking about what women would let him do, and probably exaggerating it into a joke, which is why everyone around him was laughing.
Shedart ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:04:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is describing assault. And guy talk or locker room talk is crude but I get it. However he wasn't in a locker room, he was being recorded during an interview like meeting. His words were lnowlongly being stored forever and he still spoke in the way he did. His character is abhorrent and to say otherwise at this point is disingenuous.
Your argument falls apart when you actually tell the truth about the context.
. However he wasn't in a locker room, he was being recorded during an interview like meeting
This is simply untrue. Look it up. They were in a bus, it's just a hot-mic gaff. Stupid, crude, and you can tell he's exaggerating for comedic effect by the fact everyone on the bus with him is laughing.
It's a non-issue. Simple as that.
Shedart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:27:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is an issue though. I don't say shit like that. I don't want children saying shit like that. If I heard a friend of mine talking like that I would not trust them because it is directly indicititive of their character. I don't care what the fucking context is. Someone who regularly talks in such a way doesn't have the chops to be president. He has proven again and again that he is a deplorable human being, this is just icing on the whole shitty cake. That attitude obviously works in big business, But I don't want him taking that kind of attitude to the Oval Office because it doesn't befot someone I want representing me.
I don't know what lnowlongly means, but if you mean unknowingly saying he "still spoke in the way he did" is kind of dumb, people say lots of dumb shit when they aren't being recorded. Who knows, maybe Hillary has too.
Shedart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant knowingly, autocorrect was not my friend there. He said stuff on the record that a decent human being wouldn't say in private outside of middle school. Hillary probably has at one point said stupid shit, but this conversation isn't about what she may or may not have said. It is about what Donald trump HAS said and HAS done.
IRPancake ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:08:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's describing assault, but it is not assault. If just talking about something was grounds for finding someone guilty of that crime, we'd be living in a fucked up world.
Downvoting this sentiment makes zero fucking sense btw. If I made a comment (in a private conversation no less) saying "I could kill that man I'm so upset", are you implying that I should be treated as if I actually murdered someone?
Dark days ahead, folks. I'd go ahead and go through your entire online presence with a fine tooth comb, wouldn't want anything taken out of context and applied to your criminal charges for those hurtful words you said. Ya'll aren't serious, I really, really hope.
That's all well and good, but it happened less than a week after that allegation came up, now someone from 22 years ago steps forward? That doesn't raise any questions to you? Especially weeks before the election against a female opponent who pushes womens rights? It's also known now that the 'victim' attempted to regain employment with him after the supposed incident and also contacted him for help last year. She must really be upset about the situation.
At the end of the day, talking about it still doesn't make him guilty, even if someone steps forward. What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'? Hillary has consistently been trying to taint his character, it wouldn't surprise me if she paid someone off to step forward. I've made an open offer to anybody I come across betting that the person stops pursuing legal action after the election, but nobody wants to do it :(
You know what else happened immediately preceding the allegations coming out? The candidate made comments basically confessing to specific behaviors. One of the primary reasons victims of assault don't come forward is the fear of not being believed. It's hard enough to deal with an assault, but knowing that you're going to have to defend your reality to the public is more than some people are willing to risk. When you accuse someone famous of assault, you're going to face people going through your history with a fine tooth comb, looking for every possible reason you might be lying.
And clearly, that's the case. At this point we have 8 separate women accusing Trump of assaulting them. Accusing him of doing EXACTLY what he said he could do and get away with, on tape. And STILL you're set on believing that he must have been joking and they must have ulterior motives.
I heard an interview with the woman who said he assaulted her on the airplane. She said she didn't come forward at the time because it was just part of the business culture at the time. (Which is backed up historically). That she would have been told to deal with it, that there would have been no recourse for her. She she just dealt with it. Then this came up, and at first she figured that the more recent accusations would have been more relevant. Then she realized that he was denying all of it, and she couldn't stay silent. She said she will be voting for Hillary, but that she has not campaigned for Hillary or been particularly vocal about her support for Hillary Clinton. She said she spent $5 on a button, and that's the only money she's given Ms. Clinton's campaign. SHE contacted the editor of the New York Times. She stated that she has not been contacted by the Clinton campaign.
I'm honestly shocked at the lengths people will go to believe that sexual assault didn't happen. What do you need to believe them? At what point will you accept that Trumps campaign is run on hate, lies, and conspiracy theories?
At what point will you accept that Trumps campaign is run on hate, lies, and conspiracy theories?
I refuse to dedicate time to giving you a well thought out response, because you're never going to listen to it.
At what point will you accept that Hillary's campaign is actually run on hate, lies, and actual conspiracies that have been proven? You're that blind that you just want to point the finger at Trump for his hurtful words and hilariously conveniently timed sexual assault charges? Come on, you're not that dumb.
At what point will you accept that Hillary's campaign is actually run on hate, lies, and actual conspiracies that have been proven?
Since 1. She hasn't used hate speech. 2. She actually been rated as significantly more honest than trump. (Come on. Your candidate repeatedly denies saying things that we have him on tape saying... recently). Most of the shit that comes out of his mouth is either hate speech, or blatant lies. 3. The "conspiracies" You refer to refuse to take into consideration a vast amount of information. Including repeated investigations that have turned up little to nothing that suggests that what she's done amounts to anything more than just some bad judgement calls.
Regarding Trump.
1. Hurtful language, especially repeated, unrepentant hurtful language IS significant. To have someone who repeatedly slanders others as the President is a HUGE concern.
I can understand choosing not to consider Trump's character when considering him for President. So lets take all of that out, shall we? Lets pretend that it would be okay if he was the worst person currently on the globe, so long as he would do a good job as President. So we're putting aside ALL of the trash that leaves his mouth. There are still problems.
A. He has repeatedly threatened the First Amendment. He has repeatedly stated that he wants to make journalists vulnerable to lawsuits over what they write. This is backed up by his repeated lawsuits against journalists when they print things he doesn't like. This is a clear violation of the Constitutional right to free speech and freedom of the press. He has also banned various news organizations from his rallies because he doesn't like their reporting.
B. He has expressed admiration for the New York Stop and Frisk program. He continued to defend that program even after it was pointed out that the program was ruled unconstitutional. He has suggested the use of war crimes - including the use of torture (regardless of if it would provide useful information) and the murder of the families of potential terrorists including women and children.
C. One of the primary jobs of the President is that of a diplomat. They are responsible for interacting with other nations and protecting stable relationships between us and our allies. His ONE diplomatic visit to Mexico resulted in widespread protests and the resignation of a high level politician. Beyond that his clear inability to control his mouth means that he cannot be trusted to speak with tact and intelligence when it is required.
D. The few proposed policies that he has given are incomplete and poorly thought out. His immigration reform policies are expensive, ineffective, and, at times, unconstitutional. He has no clear platform on education, and the little that he has proposed is impractical. His tax proposals are, again, ineffective and poorly thought out. His platforms on gun control and abortion are clear, but his background doesn't suggest that he consistently backs those view points. He has, at different times, made statements contradicting the stances he currently holds. His health care policies sound good to Conservatives, but fail to account for transitional periods, and he has not suggested any solutions the the problems that the Affordable Care Act was designed to address. In other words, not only do we take away the problems of the ACA, but we also reverse the progress, and he has no suggestions for how to move forward from there. The fact that there are problems in our Health care system is not controversial. Only the solutions are; and he has proposed none. There is more to say about finance reform, big business, infrastructure, job creation, banking, unions, paid family leave, social security, student loans,... etc.... his platform is unclear and incomplete.
E. His grasp of foreign policy is poor. When talking about the use of force and its global political implications, he shows ignorance both of current events and historical precedence. His lifelong policy of attacking first and refusing to back down is a great way for us to get ourselves into multiple, dangerous, unwinnable wars all over the globe.
F. I feel like I would be remiss in mentioning how he has insulted American Heros. This is relevant because one of his primary roles would be the Commander and Chief. His clear lack of respect for the American Military and their families calls into question how he would treat veterans. Including crucial programs that are designed to treat PTSD and other combat related injuries.
I could keep going. There are MANY more issues that have nothing to do with his absolutely horrific treatment of women, the disabled, and minorities. It's not just that Trump is a terrible person. It's that he is completely unqualified. He has repeatedly demonstrated that he does not have the knowledge, experience, temperament, or skill to be in politics at all, much less to be President.
You think my problem with Trump is all about how he looks and sounds. And I DO have a problem with that. But that's just the tip of the ice burg. Give me as clear and thought out criticism of Hillary Clinton and I will absolutely listen to it.
Edited to add that your downvote was very convincing.
So either Donald was bragging about sexual assault that he actually committed, or he was lying and embellishing because he thinks sexually assaulting women is a cool thing to do. Is that it?
The point wasn't that he said that he could do whatever he wanted with women, it was the context of the discussion in general. He was essentially describing what the kids these days consider a 'gold digger' and how they throw themselves at men with money. There are songs on the radio that say the exact same thing. "but, but they're not r-running for p-president!" They also weren't having a private conversation, and actually flaunted that stance. Trump owned it and apologized, it's time to move forward like adults instead of living decades in the past.
So when Donald says he grabs them by the pussy, he means that women jump and land on his hands with their pussy? And when Donald says he needs a tic tac because he kisses women without asking, he means that he has to freshen his breath in case some women attack his mouth with theirs? And when Billy Bush was being a perverted wingman by telling that woman to give Donald a hug, he was actually being a bad friend and submitting Donald to be assaulted by her?
And when you say Trump owned it and apologized, what was he apologizing for? He was apologizing for being attacked by these "gold diggers"? And by "apologize", do you mean downplaying the issue of sexual assault and deflecting to bill Clinton? And when you say it's time to move forward like adults instead of living in the past, why does Donald keep bringing up Bill Clinton repeatedly? Why did he parade a bunch of women prior to the last debate? Why won't he really apologize and own up to his past behaviors, instead of attacking each accuser and saying they're all lying? Why does he allow his surrogates to claim what he said on that bus is no big deal, effectively normalizing sexual assaults?
Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I understand your spin correctly. Or, you know, you can just fuck right off.
Well words can be considered sexual assault. I'm not a lawyer, and it depends on the state or whatever, but what he said could easily be considered sexual assault. Regardless of that though, he literally described himself commuting sexual assault, so yeah.
Also, the murder thing is such a ridiculous straw man. You can get in trouble for that, but not likely. If you told someone you are going to murder them you can easily be charged with this crime called, drumroll, assault.
Sexual assault against WHO? He never mentioned a single person. Sexual assault isn't a victimless crime, you can't sexually assault 'women' in general.
The murder thing is not a strawman, it's called an, wait for it....drumrolllllllllllllll....analogy. They're both crimes, and they're both being treated as guilty without zero proof or intent to act, they are directly comparable. I should be basically be sentenced to death for saying words.
Shedart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't downvote you. And the words are not the act. But the he words count for something when you are considering the president of the United States as the job he's effectively interviewing for.
Words count for something, of course, but actions speak louder than words. Hillary's desperate (albeit successful) attempt to tarnish his character is what's really disgusting. How much would you like to personally bet me that the allegations get dropped after the election? I mean, if you think its true, then it's basically guaranteed money.
As I said, actions speak louder than words, and Hillary's actions are certainly something to consider when determining if she has the ethics required to be a leader.
notLOL ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:11:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wouldn't be camp... that would be an American prison system.
Well in the United States we had camps like the one you just described. So it's fitting to call it a camp! Just don't try to get an internship there...
Wait, Donald Trump is a rapist? wtf is going on in america
Brinner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:23:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He bragged on a live mic that he sexually assaults women and gets away with it cause he's famous. He then denied ever doing so. Then 9 women who heard his denial came forward with various credible stories about being molested by Trump. His first wife accused him of rape but later recanted. So Trump might be a rapist but he's definitely a sexual predator.
Donald Trump will be standing trial for the rape of a minor this December. Accused rapist is the best title for him, but frankly, given his pattern of behavior, we can just go with "rapist".
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No he won't, it's just some girl making claims and she has not been formally interviewed. Let's be honest, the guys been an A list celebrity for 30+ years and now, when we're less than a month away from the election, he's being pelted with rape allegations. Doesn't that seem a little fishy to anybody? He's been in the spot light for so long, so if he had actually done anything of significance we would know by now. I am by no means a trump supporter, but I believe that intentional defamation of character based on claims is wrong and should not be taken at face value. Also just a reminder: innocent until proven guilty is an American right, so I ask that you please respect it before shitting all over the legal process by jumping to conclusions
Actually voting for Stien, but nice try there, you almost spat out something that had merit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh even better! You want to vote for stein,whose economic policies go against literally every single basic economic principle! She would singlehandedly destroy the u.s. economy. Tell me why you think she'd be a good president?
Edit: also, it's spelled Stein*, just helping you so you vote for the right person :)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just downvote me and don't tell me why you're right. But fuck me for believing in the bill of rights and questioning mainstream media, right? You are truly a dumbass of the highest caliber
Sorry to dissapoint you, but you're wrong again. It turns out other people use this website. You think you support those things, and I bet you're genuine in your belief that you do as well, but seeing as you called for the identity of a 13 year old rape victim to be outed to the public, all to support your own twisted view of things, Im going to go ahead and make another assumption, and say you don't actually support those things at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Check snopes bud, her identity is out. Nothing has come out to support those claims at all. So once again you should fact check yourself and avoid making assumptions because you make yourself look like a fucktard. And how is assuming someone is innocent until proven otherwise a twisted view??? If We didn't question every rape allegation then what's to stop somebody from accusing someone of rape and having them immediately jailed? Doesn't seem very fair does it? It honestly sounds like you are not supporting the right to a fair trial which seriously discredits you. Also if you don't support those basic freedoms that I listed, then how bout you move to a country that doesn't grant you those freedoms, like oh I don't know, Iraq or Afghanistan?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously if you don't support those things then leave this country. You don't deserve to live here if you don't believe in laws put in place to protect citizens.
mntwins7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:27:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's incorrect. Where'd you get that, Hillary Clintons fact checker?
Thanks for the disagreeing downvote.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm amazed that Reddit hasn't questioned any of these allegations that are coming just weeks before the election.... Seems like a hell of a coincidence huh? Reddit just likes to play detective when it's in their best interest
mntwins7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. They believe what ever the liberals spoon-feed them. You think we would've known about these things for some time. So strange that these "rapes" miraculously surface just weeks before the Presidential Election. Hmmmmm....
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. The man has been a high-profile, billionaire, A-list celebrity for several years and we are just now hearing about it? This is laughable. Meanwhile, Hillary has done far worse things and it's just the "right wing media with tinfoil hats". Honestly terrifying our votes count just as much as theirs do.
mntwins7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so odd to think that those in power really seem to be smarter than the rest of us. The politicians literally could say anything, and a large majority of people will believe it no questions asked.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Most of the time they're just power hungry people looking for a job. Doesn't necessarily make them smarter. Jill stein is a prime example.
Around 2004, when me and my cousins were younger, we were playing Marco Polo in the pool and kept changing the names of "Marco" and "Polo" to silly words like "Toilet" and "Poop", and one round my older cousin decided to change the names to "Martha Stewart" and "Janet Jackson", two controversial figures in the news that year. Cue a bunch of elementary school age kids shouting "Janet Jackson" as my cousin swam around the pool saying "Martha Stewart"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A better idea. Instead of doing the Chinese wall game, how about we play the Trump wall. Every mexican you catch has to become the wall (aka paying for it). The wall infinitely expands.
Well I'm in highschool and our 2 am game of cops and robbers got divided up between minorities and white kids. I'm latina so I was a robber but its all in good fun, no racism
Yeah, I babysat some kids who would go around the neighborhood playing border patrol and pretend shooting at the gardeners and workers in the neighborhood. Weird ass kids.
And this is why Trump's rhetoric is a huge problem.
He doesn't have to inherently racist to be racist. He doesn't have to directly discriminate to antagonize and enrage racial discrimination. He's normalizing it.
Kids hear his shit and don't understand the larger scope of what he's talking about, but his speeches are simplified enough to be easily twisted by people, especially those who can't fully comprehend it.
This was circa 2006 so it's been going on for a while.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stereotype that Latinos might be illegal immigrants is a reaction to poor border controls that allow economic migrants to illegally cross the border from Latin America. The only thing Trump has done is made it politically acceptable to discuss the issue.
Typically that would mean a person who is paid to promote something. Usually disingenuously? In this context it makes no sense. Best I can figure is I'm promoting the idea that sometimes some things actually happen, and our surly friend takes issue with that.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Down voted in AskReddit? Must be hillary shills lol.
You're like that comic of the dude on the bike and the stick is CTR.
Watki21 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:48:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh lord
Dasnyde4 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:59:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad part one they didn't see anything wrong with it. It was a movie making camp in which a group created a mockumentary about dirt featuring Donald trump. They really nailed it. It was hilarious
Bahamute ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because there's not really anything wrong with it. It's essentially a parody of Trump's statements.
I remember being in elementary school. Played dodgeball in gym. The teachers asked us to name our two teams. Turned into Bush vs Gore very quickly. Maybe a couple kids on each side were serious. The rest of us and the teachers thought it was hilarious and didn't care what our teams were named. We just wanted to go into battle!
ikorolou ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 17:00:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's honestly kinda funny
helix19 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:36:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda funny? It's hilarious.
kingwi11 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:29:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i didn't know either, but googled it and it is essentially british bulldog for americans.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whats the one where everyone on the running team gets 1 letter of a word and the catchers have to beat the letter out of them and figure out what the word is to win.
Hah! When I was in elementary school we played soldiers and taliban/al queda/terrorist. I always ended up being the one tied up and waterboarded, I think it awakened something in me.
Just don't give them anything that signifies as a gun. I.E water guns, Nerf guns hell not even finger guns. We don't need little trumps finger banging the Mexicans
185139 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This generations smear the queer
WhipWing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is sharks and minnows like a game where the sharks run around beating the shit out of the minnows?
When I was a kid we called the game IRA in Ireland.
Hahaha me and my friends used to play a game called German Spotlight, kinda like sharks and minnows, but with a flashlight. We of course didn't realize it was a reference to trying to escape a German concentration camp without getting spotted. My parents got real pissed when they caught me teaching it to a bunch of my Jewish friends at one of their bar mitzvahs
In Switzerland we call this game "Who's afraid of the black man?" ("Wer hat Angst vorm Schwarzen Mann?"). This is actually the name of the game, not a made up title by small kids! Sooo... "Trump and Mexicans" actually seems almost more acceptable than our name...
(Although as the wiki says the "black man" probably doesn't stand for PoC, but for mine workers or even the Black Death/the plague.)
I mean im pretty sure kids who grow up in hispanic families tend to play this version of the game with whatever social/political conflict going on in South America/Central America/Carribean.
I remember playing 'Army v Terrorist' instead of Shark. We would have 3 'terrorists' in a group of 5 people and two 'army members' would cover the exit. If any person made it and they were the terrorist gets cleared and stay on the other side. If all the innocents made it to the other side, the terrorists lost. It was a weird time back in 2004...
We also played Fidel and Boats where we would make boats and put stuffed neopets from McDonalds (yea) and one person would throw projectiles and try to knock a neopet out or sink the boat.
Why did you have to shut it down? If we tell kids what they can and can't think, it will limit free speech. This is why we have a generation of millennials who are easily triggered and need safe spaces.
Meh, I guess that's just modern day Cowboys and Indians
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a pro-diversity camp, so the first day of camp they got put into the most diverse groups possible. One day while standing in line for lunch my kids lined themselves up lightest to darkest. ON THEIR OWN. I was dead.
I worked at a summer camp this year and all the kids were playing a game where one person was "old man Donald Trump" and everyone else chased him around trying to beat him up. I probably should have shut that one down, but I didn't. Watching it was too cathartic.
This somehow reminds me. I was working at an after-school center for elementary school kids. This was in Iceland at the time of the economical crisis, and everyone was pissed off at our prime minister Davรญรฐ Oddsson. The kids picked it up and had a protest game shouting "Down with David".
The problem was, we had this Polish kid who had ADHD and wasn't quite fluent in Icelandic yet, let alone knew what was happening in Icelandic politics. His name was David. He was not happy.
That's ingenious for such minds. What a comparison!!!
71NZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in Lower NY by chance?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I blame the media for this. Trump's issue is with illegal immigration, not Mexicans. But thanks to the media it's been construed (and almost exclusively touted) as "Trump hates Mexicans".
We had a Nazis & jews version of cops and robbers in my elementary
ian8288 ยท 1301 points ยท Posted at 15:58:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach middle school in a very high (90%) Hispanic area where many of the parents are here illegally. I haven't met a single student who actually likes Trump yet. I think they are scared that if he gets elected their families will be deported. Although they joke about the wall a bunch.
marf67 ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 19:19:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also teach middle school in Hispanic area. They despise Trump and make tons of wall jokes, too. They call Trump a bigot and bully...in English.
bigo0723 ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 21:41:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it hilarious that Donald Trump has killed any chance of Hispanics and Latinos voting Republican for the next three or five generations. Republicans were ready to start addressing Hispanic and Latinos, especially Mexicans, for this election. As a Mexican American myself, it's not unlikely to me that Hispanic and Latinos have the capacity to vote Republican in the future. A good portion of Hispanics and Latinos have conservative leanings in areas (they are very religious, they have strong work ethic, and they have a belief in traditional family values). Ronald Reagan was somewhat right when he said that 'Latinos are Republicans, they just don't know it yet.'
The reason the majority of Hispanics and Latinos vote Democrat is because of immigration and workers rights (this is actually a huge issue for Hispanics and Latinos that no one really talks about, everyone talks immigration but no talks about the fact that working conditions are a very large and direct part of their lives, but that would mean we would have to talk about worker's rights).
All Republicans had to really do was wait until Hispanics and Latinos established them in America before trying to convert them into Republicans as well, targeting their family and religious values.
Donald Trump fucked that up. No, he didn't just fuck it up, he ended up insulting America's largest growing demographic, a demographic that not only holds grudges, but in the future will be a demographic you need to in order to win the Presidency.
The moment he said rapist was the moment he singlehandedly undone years of Republicans trying to connect with minority voters. Barry Goldwater fucked up the black vote by supporting segregation, and African Americans have been voting Democrat ever since. Donald Trump has Goldwater-ed the Hispanic and Latino vote.
I want to upvote this to the max. My grandmother was a loyal Republican her whole life. I've never met anyone more devoted to the party even my grandfather (her husband) who was a state Senator, she was just as devoted to the party as he was.
She was also a Mexican American and I honestly think if she had been alive to hear that speech Trump gave it would have broken her. She devoted so much to the country and to the party while at the same time struggling to fit in with white American society and pretending (when she could) not to be Mexican at all. It was heartbreaking to watch but she did it because she knew what bigotry felt like and didn't want us to experience what she experienced.
If I could I would kick Trump right in the balls in her memory. It breaks my heart thinking of her and her fight and what Trump has done to Latino Americans in his short campaign.
Honestly if he is elected I am not going home (I live abroad) until he is gone.
bigo0723 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 22:35:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was that speech a while ago he gave after being accused of going soft on immigration where he got extremely aggressive on his position on illegal immigration, and I remember reading how a bunch of Hispanic and Latino supporters felt like he was personally attacking them and ended up saying they wouldn't vote for him.
Donald Trump has started a movement, alright. The biggest movement of Hispanic and Latino voters in history to vote Democrat.
I actually have said more or less what I said above to a Trump supporter I met while travelling and he laughed and said "well, she probably shouldn't even have been here in the first place so I doubt her opinion would have mattered anyway" (or something like that) and then went on to say I should probably have my citizenship revoked too and that Trump would sort it all out.
I too feel like Trump is targeting Hispanic/Latinx Americans and so are his supporters.
DocWattz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:48:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm pretty sure his purpose is not to actually get elected, but to force rational people to vote Hillary. I'm not convinced that he's a real candidate, its too crazy to believe.
Sadly I'm afraid he's all too real. Like that time during the whole "Chicken of the Sea: Chicken or Fish?" debate when my mum claimed Jessica Simpson couldn't possibly be that stupid, nobody could possibly be that stupid, she had made too much money to be that stupid. But then, you know, she was.
We don't want to admit that people are capable of living without doing any critical thinking but they really can. Unfortunately it's all too real.
that is an excellent comparison. i was in 7th grade when that happened and my mom, sisters, and me (girl) thought the same thing as your mom. "dumb blondes" will never die...
Yeah, I was pretty sure I was willing to at least consider the possibility of voting Republican this year. And then Trump came along, I moved to Veracruz, and now I'm not voting.
My dad's in the same boat. He's not Hispanic or Latino, but being Portuguese, he shares the same values as they do. The last time I talked to him, he told me he hated having to vote for something he didn't believe in (the Democrat's platform) just to, as he put it, 'avoid America's Salazar'.
(Although, I think that's a bit unfair to Salazar.)
My Spanish mother will be voting for Trump. She's married to a very rich man, so she's got hers and fuck everyone else. The rest of her family is appalled. Our Passover seder was soooo awkward this year...
Eh, it's not super complicated. My grandparents left Valencia for Mexico during the Franco years. My grandma divorced my biological grandfather and remarried a Mexican (my mom's dad was an alcoholic, and physically abusive). They later divorced. My grandma moved with my mom and aunt to Georgia.
My dad is from Lisbon (but his mother was from Morocco; she died before I was born). He met my mom not long after he moved to America. She got pregnant with me, and they married. Idk if she ever really loved him, but she had two more kids with him. Eventually, though, they divorced, and my mom married a rich man in Buckhead, Atlanta.
My dad eventually got his sisters to move to America (Portugal's struggled economically, to say the least) and they married American men.
And, both of my parents and their families are Jewish, so family ties are uber important (if they weren't already important enough from the whole Hispanic-Latin side). One of my cousins made Aliyah to Israel, where he lives with his quasi-husband.
tl;dr: Juan's family is like the internet: Jewish and everywhere.
leyebrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if it all works the same way in the states, but instead of not voting, you should spoil your ballot if you're trying to send a message
No, I'm not a US citizen anymore, which is why I'm not voting. This was the first presidential election I was eligible for, so idk if invalidating the ballot works here. Most states have write-ins, and people use that in the same way Australians protest by drawing an X over the ballot or whatever, but it wouldn't have an affect.
leyebrow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:24:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well those spoiled ballots are counted during the tallying of votes and are represented as a figure. Like they'll say X amount of votes for democrat, x amount of votes for republican, X amount of votes for whatever other political parties, and X spoiled ballots. Not voting's typically seen as you don't care enough to make the effort, but making the effort to go vote and spoil the ballot is a tangible protest against the available candidates in the election and the numbers are talked about.
Yeah, but for a presidential election in the US that wouldn't happen because 'we' don't vote for the president. The electoral college does that. So, a spoiled ballot doesn't have a real effect. If Republicans win, say, Florida, a spoiled ballot is in the same pile as the Democrat ballots--that is to say, the loser pile.
This is part of why this election is sucks right now. The electoral college is essentially immune, and there's no real way to protest. Even if no one voted, iirc, they could still cast their electoral votes to elect a president.
So you renounced your US citizenship on principle and moved to Mexico? Holy shit dude my hat goes off to you! High five! Did you already have Mexican citizenship or are you now sort of in limbo?
2019 will be the first year I'm eligible to vote in my new country (South Africa) and I'm looking forward to it. It must have been disappointing to have to make the choice to give that up, but good on you for sticking to your principles!
Eh, it's wasn't so much of on principle. I more-or-less got kicked out of the army, and I don't know about South Africa, but in the US that kind of record can make it extremely hard to get a job. Employers consider you 'dirty', and I wasn't going to deal with the possibility of a shitty future. I said fuck it, moved to Mexico, and renounced my citizenship not long after.
I was a dual Spanish-American citizen, and I will never give up my Spanish citizenship. Thankfully, Latin American countries view Spain as a sister nation, so to speak, and it's a little easier for me to get visas and such.
Either way I think you made the right decision. You are probably avoiding a lot of chaos. Just out of curiosity though, why Mexico instead of Spain, or Chile, or Uruguay, or any other place you could have gone? Not that I have anything against Mexico, I considered going there myself before I moved to South Africa, but I'm just curious what pushed your decision to Mexico when you had a wide variety of options.
In South Africa, if someone was kicked out of the SANDF I think they just wouldn't tell employers about it. In Africa it's easier to get away with stuff lol.
Because I have family in Mexico, I love the food, Veracruz is beautiful, and I was familiar with it. I've never been to Chile or Uruguay, and although I obviously speak Spanish and have the necessary cultural background to fit in, I needed to recover from my world being shattered. The army filled an enormous void in my life and I'm still trying to figure out where to go from here. Mexico just seemed like the best place to do it. Tacos, mezcal, and the beach (not to mention Mexico's historical sites) are helping. And it helps Mexican guys are pretty good looking...
The cost of living is also significantly cheaper. Yes, Mexico has problems, but economically it's Latin America's powerhouse right now. The standard of living isn't bad here, and the drug violence and corruption isn't quite like Man on Fire.
In Spain, the youth unemployment rate is like 25%, and my savings won't go nearly as far as they will here. Once I recover, I'll need a job. I could go to Brazil (My dad's Portuguese and I speak it with native fluency) but I'm illiterate in Portuguese lol. I've been to Peru and Argentina, and I may explore the option later of going there (or to Chile or Uruguay) but now isn't the time.
Right on, I wasn't criticising your decision, I was just curious. Thanks so much for sharing, I really appreciate it, genuinely. I'm glad things are going well for you there.
Your reasons for moving to there are similar to my reasons for moving to South Africa. Not so much in the specifics but the broad strokes. I invite you to come visit Cape Town some time if you want a good holiday, I'd be happy to take you around. You'd probably feel quite at home here, it parallels Mexico in many ways, good and bad.
This isn't the 19th century. People move on. The Spanish-American War led to Latin America and Spain coming closer, since it was an alternative to increasing American influence.
Franco, for example, refused to break ties with Castro, despite Franco hating communists. Today, the Ibero-American Summit takes place every year.
That's good because I have been wondering why the hell Republicans havent figured out they need to be courting latinos. I bet Tim Kaine's spanish fluency probably tipped him over for the vp slot.
My family is from Mexico. My Dad was Republican. All my uncles are Republican. I voted for Romney last election out of devotion to the Republican Party. I reregistered as a Democrat this year.
ooofest ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:44:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet, Trump isn't saying much new that the current crop of Republicans hasn't already said in other forms (both in public speaking and legislative sessions).
Trump is blatantly exposing the horrid, exclusive values that the Republican party has devolved into representing - they have dog-whistled and outright degraded PoC in the USA and those trying to enter this country for decades. Fear-mongering the white vote for their base, then claiming that Democrats will take away your guns, wages, etc. and give them to "other" people (who are always implied as PoC who happen to be poor - many conservatives, regardless of their positions in society, don't identify themselves in those groups).
In our local county, both major parties have been similarly moderate and somewhat corrupt. We've lived with it, because it generally worked, but have been getting more than a bit fed up with the pork. Yet recently, we now have an entirely corrupt Democratic town supervisor and an even worse Teabagger in another town which is our county's seat - the latter has quickly abused his role to replace anyone and everyone he can't already control in town government (including the police hierarchy). While we can handle the corrupt Democrat, the Teabagger is literally destroying all semblance of public office roles, checks and balances and even expectation of basic services for public needs in our town . . . yet, people are still voting for his chosen compatriots because his lies about being up-front are up there with wild Trumpisms and our right-wing voters still can't fathom that a Republican in this county would ever be terribly extreme.
bigo0723 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:58:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember a post a while back saying that Republicans can't really compete with Trump because he's only saying what they believe but in more vitriolic terms. It's hard to call him a racist when you support the same wall he plans on building. Look at the debates, they don't attack him on his policys, they attack him on his behavior and actions.
To be fair, there's been almost no attacking on either side on policies since it got narrowed down to Hillary or Trump.
I'm a Republican, and I don't support building a wall. It's just too expensive. It's a really tough question to crack though. Illegal immigration is not ok, but what do we do about it? Building a huge wall doesn't seem like a good idea, but it's also not good to let people just walk right in. A chain link fence doesn't stop anything, and border patrol is not very good. So do we just leave the border wide open? That's just stupid, so we can't do that. Do we deport all of the illegal immigrants? Well, that would be massively expensive and be a humanitarian issue in a lot of cases.
Looking at the options available, I don't see a good one. Maybe just have better border security. Stop it, or at least minimize it, at the source.
I'm not convinced he's not a racist, but I'm also not convinced he is. He's never been caught using the N-word or other racial slurs. Although emotionally it's hard for a lot of people to separate, any and all bad things that have supposedly been said about Mexicans have been directed wholly at illegal immigrants. He talks about improving the school systems in inner city areas, which would be great. "Muslim" is not a race, so any negative comments he's had about Islam are not racist.
He's an ass (or at least his public persona is), and I'll not be voting for him, but I do think a lot of the criticisms about him have been unfair and false.
bigo0723 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, although I wouldn't put it past Trump that he hasn't said the n-word. Apparently the producers on The Apprentice have said that they have worse tapes then the one that came out with Billy Bush. A few people who worked on the show have come out and said that it apparently involves race.
I'm not saying he's a racist, but Trump has repeatedly stuck his foot in his mouth so many times that I doubt he has the right temperament for Presidency.
You're right he probably doesn't have the right temperament, but damn the first lady, the horrible things she said, when she just snapped at people for no reason, she is a piece of s***. I can't believe it, but I'm voting third-party this election because I hate them both so much
Well, Hillary did say that the Supreme Court got it wrong on the 2nd Amendment, referring to D.C. vs Heller.
Here is the problem with Clintonโs belief that Heller was โwrongly decidedโ because it prohibited states from making โcommon sense laws to keep their residents safeโ: It is a lie. Heller prohibited no such thing: In fact, in the courtโs majority opinion on Heller, the late Antonin Scalia explicitly allows that the Second Amendment is perfectly compatible with laws meant to keep residents safe from harm. โLike most rights,โ Scalia wrote, โthe Second Amendment right is not unlimited.โ Among the regulations permissible under Heller, according to Scalia, were โlaws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms,โ such as laws meant to protect public safety by keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals.
outright degraded PoC in the USA
Who? Yes, there are some bad apples, just like there are some racist folks on the Democrat side, but as a party, as a set of ideals, no. There's nothing wrong with wanting to prevent illegal immigration, regardless of where they come from.
It's convenient to lump all or most Republicans together, but in my personal opinion, Republican ideals would be much better for the country as a whole and for "PoC". As a Republican, I personally LOVE people trying to enter this country legally.
ooofest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:59 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was the VP of our College Republican chapter and am reasonably aware of many stripes called "political conservatism" involved in our country, today. Most have been thrown by the wayside at all levels of politics in the Republican party, of course. Regardless, I was a programmed True Believer who didn't see how blind my inherent biases were - because, we were not taught to think critically about our group's beliefs, merely to inflict them upon others due to their inherent correctness. I got better.
So, when I lump in a Reddit comment, it's with a purpose and associated context.
More to the important point, whitewashing the constant dog-whistling that Republican representatives and their loudest voting blocks use towards black people, Latinos, Muslims (and LBGTQ folk, women, etc.) through an obfuscatory point about immigration laws won't work with a former Republican - misdirection and narrowing the focus of a point to make it meaningless was our stock and trade. Much of this election is about bringing such dog-whistles into the light due to Trump's inherent style - i.e., he's the same as other Republican candidates for President, just far more obvious in public.
Trump is a piece of shit. Hillary is more of a piece of shit.
The Republican party and their political tactics are garbage. The Democrat party and their political tactics are more shitty.
So you used to be a Republican, and it took you many years to realize drinking straight from the Kool-Aid was wrong. I suspect it'll take you just as long, if not longer, to see how much worse the Democrat side is the closer you get to it...assuming your views are in favor of Democrats and Hillary.
ooofest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:29 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't agree at all.
Clinton is just a neoliberal, warhawk centrist.
Trump is all that . . . plus, all the other baggage Republicans have been pushing since Reagan. And, he doesn't understand that the Constitution enables an Executive role, rather than a Ruler. Or, he simply doesn't care. Plus, he enables the worst elements of our society to feel enabled in their continued harassment of innocent non-white, male demographics.
Hiring people to go to Trump rallies to start fights...
Pay-for-play with the Clinton Foundation...
Insider trading to make $98,000 profit in 9 months off of a $1,000 investment...
Those are just the things that she should be in jail for. That excludes the things that just make her a shitty person. Her role in Benghazi, her getting fired from the staff of the House Judiciary committee investigating Watergate because she was too dishonest and unethical, her just flat out lying about arriving under sniper fire, her yelling at and berating Secret Service for looking at her, her flipping her political ideals to whatever is popular at the moment (marriage, abortion, etc), and so much more.
My parents came here illegally in the 70s. Studied to become citizens. Opened a business. Got licensed for construction. This whole time they were Republicans because of their economic beliefs. No handouts, always work hard and Catholicism. Trump made them Democrats in their old age.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hispanics and Latino are a necessary demographic in order to win the presidency NOW. They are pretty much the reason why Republicans have no chance of winning for the foreseeable future. Black and white splits pretty predictably with the only wild card being which way the majority of white women will lean. If Romney would have won over latinos he probably could have won.
I am glad to hear that latino Americans aren't happy about what the republicans are doing because they seem to be a demographic that could be easily swayed to vote against their interests - I agree with you that it would be a super easy conversion based on religious and family values.
Apkoha ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:37:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well good thing you can give those "needy latino" votes to the dems now.
Yeah, I'm a sub in heavily Hispanic middle and high schools. They all hate him, even those with no undocumented people in their family. They know it would realistically mean Hispanic people period would be targeted even with no evidence of wrongdoing. And of course those who are citizens with undocumented parents are scared because Trump denies birthright citizenship, which is of course clearly established in the 14th Amendment.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Every member of my family is an American citizen, my parents are naturalized having immigrated from Mexico many years ago and we all speak fluent English. Yet, we've still managed to feel the racism that has emanated from the Trump campaign here in the bible belt. We've lived in this particular state for about 10 years, yet it's never been a problem before. Luckily it's never been anything too harsh or violent, and they seem to be in the minority of people here. But it's a disappointing thing to experience.
ian8288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I'm not saying all of their parents are illegals, but it is assumed that some of their parents are (they make jokes or parents never come to conferences/return calls from the school). They just all know that it could impact them and they dislike seeing someone be openly racist towards their culture.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:56:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:55:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's incredible how he is a symbol of hatred all over the world.
Lossa ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:21:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach at a relatively diverse Catholic school in a red state, and many Hispanic students openly stated that Trump was racist.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:55:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is a racist.
ian8288 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:27:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By and large, would you say it's a difficult school? I'm just curious. I was absent from my home county for 22 years and came back after a long career as a freelance writer and wanted to teach. (Did not want to in Memphis. No. Way). There are surprisingly few Hispanic kids in our schools. Those that I have are never, ever any trouble.
I'm just wondering if you have an offset of poverty that makes teaching difficult. Does that make sense?
ian8288 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is definitely a difficult school in some aspects. My first year was terrible, and the learning curve was rough, but I actually feel like I'm making a difference and have loved every minute of it after that first year.
My whole school / district is on free or reduced lunch, so yes, there is a lot of poverty. In some ways, it does make the teaching tough. Some kids dont have food or supplies, and I end up spending lots of time and money on the students who don't, but again, it is extremely rewarding.
If they're criminals, at least. The policy focus now would be on deporting the 1-2 million most significant criminal illegal immigrants, which is actually in line with what Obama claims to want. Obama, for the record, has deported ~3 million.
Yes, but Trump has shifted from saying all illegal immigrants must be deported, to prioritizing those who have committed crimes once here. That's his current position.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:50:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only he established his position on other more important issues rather than rant all the time. His latest rant is rigged elections and drug tests for debates. He lacks focus and a clear message about what he'll do as president other than the illegal immigration topic.
Sure, his narcissism has doomed his campaign. The only chance he has at winning now is if there's a major terror attack, a Clinton health collapse, or a WikiLeaks release that really sticks and shapes the discussion.
Being a narcissistic asshole doesn't require having a doctor diagnose you with narcissistic personality disorder.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a narcissistic douche. Even if his doctor diagnosed him with it no one will ever see it. It's none of your business to be honest. But it doesn't matter the main reason I won't vote for him is because he talks about issues that don't matter. His latest is getting mad at a snl skit. Who cares omg. He might have positions worth talking about but I'm not going to dig them up for him. He should talk about them. All I hear from him is the wall, emails, I can fight isis, oh and make America great again whatever that means. Personality aside he stands for nothing and is a weak candidate.
ian8288 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand/sort of agree, but it makes it tough to see my American-born students scared to think of the possibility of their parents being sent back to mexico.
I don't think I'm ignorant. My family is mexican and my grandparents got into the country illegally and had my dad. I'm happy that I was born a U.S citizen and I'm happy that I'm able to have a good life here. But I do think that my grandparents should have looked for ways to legally immigrate rather than illegally. Illegal immigrants really do hurt the country (the ones that don't stay here that is).
My best friend's mom crossed the border from Juarez when hundreds of people were dying every day, her husband was an abusive molester asshole, and when she was driving in the car, a police officer fired at their car and the passenger's brains splattered all over the dash and her children in the back. Now they live in a domestic violence shelter, and almost all are citizens. Not my best friend, who really needs it for college scholarship reasons. She can't get them, despite being a 3.75 student, amazing singer, and hard worker.
But yeah, but who immigrate illegally. They're just here to take our jobs and not pay taxes and live the high life selling drugs!!
Hmmm, people who aren't here legally are scared about getting deported. HHHMMMMMM.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It will be a lot less funny when their families are on the other side of it.
Edit: Downvoted for not supporting illegal immigrants lol.
ian8288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think its healthy for middle school students to be able to joke about it. However, whenever we are talking about the elections or politics, you can tell that there are some students who are scared about the possibility of him actually being elected.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 19:06:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the parents are here illegally
So criminals are afraid of experiencing consequences.
Yeah those criminal legally American kids being scared their parents might be sent away. I mean we should probably send the kids with them but that's not legal but who really cares.
The parents of the children should've been smart and banged without the burden of entering a country illegally. That way, their children wouldn't be screwed.
Yeah but you're not punishing the parents you're punishing the kids who didn't do anything wrong. Hell you're punishing us by stressing the system even more.
Unless you think that familial punishment should be a thing what you're advocating makes absolutely no sense .
Then we can just jail the parents so they can reflect on their poor actions. That, or mabye sign any paperwork necessary to re-enter legally.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their parents committed the crime. Not the kids.
Arguably, many have said that anchor babies should not be a thing, and they're not truly American children. It's a legal ploy exploited by criminals.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We all know what kind of people say that.
Not even joking, I don't know what you're getting at.
Legal experts and politicians have argued that a child is not necessarily a citizen simply because he/she was born here. This was neither the intent or a reasonable interpretation of the Constitution.
It's a strong argument, and it would close the loophole of illegal immigrants sneaking across and making anchor babies in order to stay.
Oh boo-hoo at their illegal parents then. I guess borders and laws just exist as a joke? It's sad, really, because he is an asshole, but so are people demanding that illegals remain. So you kind of have to defend an asshole from other assholes. And of course this is the very reason people like trump are successful in certain areas, illegal mexicans. But nah, they're surely all racists.
[deleted] ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 18:33:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I wasn't the son of illegal immigrants I would have an easier time thinking like you do. Yes I understand that illegals break the law coming here but fuck, it's either that or be dirt poor in Mexico. I've seen and heard of the conditions my parents grew up in and I know that anyone in that position would do the exact same thing. And I'm forever grateful that they did because now I'm a legal born-and-raised American and I won the fucking lottery just being born here.
Exactly. People talk about illegal immigrants as if they aren't human beings. People like Trump and his followers even want to get rid of birthright citizenship. I can't imagine what it would be like to lose my citizenship of the only country I've ever known. My mom came here illegally when she was 11 so this is her country too especially ever since she got her citizenship. We don't want to see this country we love become what Trump envisions. We've already made sure to vote against him thanks to California's mail-in ballots.
What about illegal immigrants who commit crimes, or have only been here a few years? If someone is assimilated and speaking English, that's one thing--but if they can speak Spanish fluently, and one of their parents committed a serious crime? I would be fine with deporting that parent and recommending the entire family go, so the child has both parents.
Latin American families matter, but equally so do other families.. and the rule of law.
European here. Not a single member state of the Euroepan Union has birthright citizenship (= ius soli) because it is insane. You incentivize people to enter countries illegally and when they are to be rightfully deported, children are torn from their families, or the law is not abidided because people feel guilty to enforce it.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 20:43:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
One of the greatest things about the United States is that being born in the United States, no matter the circumstances, gives you citizenship. I am always baffled and slightly horrified that people want to give up one of the foundational principles of the United States so willingly.
And if they didn't let the children stay as well you would claim that they even deport babies. Come on.
ian8288 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said! =)
3qr4i ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am no xenophobe but illegally migrating makes a person a criminal. You being grateful to your parents is not far off from the analogy of a child of mobsters who grew up in slums being grateful to his. There are people who flee far worse, who flee the slaughter and rape of war, of famines where they can't even find rats to eat, who are impeded from entering as refugees because the system is already buckled under by illegal migrants.
It isn't fair to those who are really in life-or-death situations, and it isn't fair to the citizens who pay for the infrastructure and see their communities eroded. A bunch of people coming in illegally, who cannot work or rent legally, obviously is going to create a bunch of other illegal crap. It's just far more bad than good.
Sure, the US might need cheap labour and illegals are good, productive people, but then the laws need to change, and ironically the illegals totally prevent that from happening.
babsa90 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile people from all over the world in dire circumstances are denied entry to our country. So we should take in Central Americans indiscriminately and give those that have already illegally emigrated here citizenship? There's a quota to the amount of migrants we take in, but for some reason it's not considered racist to give such a huge advantage to immigrants from one geographic location.
Some people aren't nearly as interested in sustainable or practical policies as they are in having someone they allow each other to feel good about hurting.
That would be fine if immigrants, illegal or otherwise, were interested in integrating. In my experience, they are not. They are interested in moving here, bringing in their third world culture, and insisting everyone else pay homage to it.
Did your grandparents or great-parents (or however far back if you're not of American Indian descent) not integrate well? Sometimes it takes a couple generations, but America is the world champion of integrating immigrants.
Running away from a bad situation and seeking asylum from war is one thing. Ruining your own country and then illegally sneaking into another is something else entirely.
SeeShark ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:14:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that they're breaking the law and I think it's weird everybody acts like there's literally nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, when there are people breaking the law and screwing over millions just to buy a third yacht, it's hard for me to get angry at the people breaking the law and screwing over a lot fewer people to provide food for their family.
Literally no one said that. Did you read the comment properly?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:28:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what he implied. Look at his other comments here for more evidence.
He's saying "some laws are wrong" in context of a conversation talking about illegal immigration. You are aware a ton of delusional people on the Left want open borders right?
Is it breaking the law? Yes. Do I fault these people for doing whatever they could to make their lives and their children's' lives better? Not at all. Border control is important security-wise, but if someone's been here long enough to raise a family and contribute then kicking them out is counter-productive to the point of insanity.
They are people looking for a better life, and going back would be rough, so it makes sense that they are scared. It doesn't make what they are doing right by our law. At the same time, America has always been about immigrants who build their lives here. Mostly white immigrants, but our history is full of people of different ethnicities and their struggles.
There may be other solutions that just deporting them (which would be incredibly difficult and would take a very long time). There are probably several ways to approach this problem, maybe some are realistic and more fair to everyone. I certainly understand some of the opposing sides' concerns.
At the same time, America has always been about immigrants who build their lives here. Mostly white immigrants, but our history is full of people of different ethnicities and their struggles.
That's the thing, though. I've found it's actually some of the older immigrants that agree with Trump, especially those who had to cross the ocean to get here.
Granted, I don't think there's any living "Ellis Island" immigrants anymore, but these people still had to jump through hoops to get to America. So, to them, it's like a slap in the face when someone comes here illegally. It's not easier by any stretch to come here illegally, but there's still that argument of "why did I have to get all these legal documents just to step foot in America while these people just had to hop the border?"
But you really think that illegal immigrants are just too lazy to "get all these legal documents" and say "nah, I think I'll just risk my life crossing the border and say goodbye to my family and friends without knowing if I'll ever see them again"? The reason illegal immigrants don't go to the back of the line is because for them there is no line.
babsa90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same line that poor people from third world countries are in. The idea that Central Americans are specifically ignored as opposed to every other geographic location is ignorant.
You are wrong, and need to read more. Some people from poor countries qualify as refugees if they suffer persecution in their countries. An Honduran or Mexican person wouldn't qualify for asylum. Besides, the US government issues 50,000 visas every year through a lottery and countries like Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, etc are excluded from that lottery.
babsa90 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No, I am not wrong. Central Americans are not the only ones excluded from the visa lottery, so the countries you listed absolutely fall in the same line as many other countries (some of which are as impoverished, if not moreso). However, that doesn't fit the narrative you are trying to push, so you didn't list them. They include: Bangladesh, Philippines, Vietnam, China, Dominican Republic, South Korea, United Kingdom, India, Jamaica, Ecuador, Peru, Pakistan, and the list goes on. So, perhaps it is you that should read more.
EDIT: I also wanted to clarify something. There is a reason these countries are excluded from the visa lottery, and that reason is due to the U.S. receiving at least 50,000 migrants from those countries listed in the past five years. So don't fucking try to push this narrative that Central Americans are somehow blacklisted from entry.
You don't even understand what I'm trying to tell you. An Honduran (or Mexican, why are you obsessed with Central America today?)will never have a chance to come to the US legally. Other countries, as poor as they might be, are going thorough social unrest and/or tyranny and they can apply for asylum to the US (did you read the part of my comment where I mention persecution?). And yes, Mexico and other Central American countries ate excluded for the visa lottery due to the high volume of visas issued to those countries every year. However, those visas are issued on the basis of parental citizenship (i.e. If your one of your parents is an American citizen) , or your espouse is an American citizen, or you invest 500,000 dollars. So, for the love of god stop making statements about what you don't have a clue.
Edit: I just happened yo notice that you included South Korea and the UK in your list. I'm assuming it was an innocent Aleppo moment but ai find it ironic given that you are accusing me of being ignorant.
babsa90 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, no wai, UK isn't a country? Oh my god, please educate me more with your expansive knowledge of the universe. In the mean time, here is something to read:
"Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, China (mainland-born), Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador,
El Salvador, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, South Korea,
United Kingdom (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and Vietnam." https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/DV-2016-Instructions-Translations/DV_2016_Instructions_English.pdf
So you are telling me that literally every country listed is going through unrest and its inhabitants can apply for asylum? Really? Is that what you are telling me? Take another look at the list and tell me that again.
You don't know what you are talking about, carry on.
Bad laws can and should be broken, but we have most laws for a legitimate reason. I don't think people should just be able to jump the border and then get rewarded for doing so by getting citizenship and having all the benefits of being an Americans citizen just because they have kids. Other people have to do tons of paperwork, and save up money and work hard to be able to come to America and have a better life, and illegal immigrants just have to jump over the border. While I do feel for the kids, who's irresponsible parents put them in this shitty position right now, I still think they should be punished for being illegal immigrants. Deporting them wouldn't be the best idea because we still need them for cheap labor.
Thanks to immigration quotas and restrictions, a few people have the opportunity to do tons of paperwork and save up money and work hard to be able to come to America and have a better life, and illegal immigrants have no choice but to jump over the border.
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between working hard and saving up to coming here legally than just coming here illegally. Immigrants work hard and wait a long time to be approved to come to the United States. Illegal immigrants just crossed the border and demand to be treated like legal immigrants, even though they did jack-shit to earn it.
It is pretty insulting to the hard working people who made sacrifices to get here legally to even try to play the sympathy card with these criminals.
You obviously don't know anything about the immigration laws of the US. Illegal immigrants come illegally because there's no legal path for them, no matter how hard they work or how long they wait. Any person who immigrates to the US legally is more privileged than hard working.
Costco1L ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:24:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of us in the US come from immigrants who did not have to wait or even apply to come to the US...and we still have plenty of space.
We came from immigrants who immigrated legally. At that time America needed people to come and work. We also do not have plenty of space. Space implies physical location, resources, jobs, transportation infrastructure, government programs like social security and medicaid, etc. We do not have enough of that to accommodate millions of illegal immigrants.
In the past there was actual demand for them, as the country was vastly expanding economically. Now that things have slowed, more benefits required and cities are crammed, things have changed and there is a legal process that must be respected. It is put in place so that the fastest growing demographics (immigrant Hispanics) in our country can be properly educated and cared for.
An unsustainable growing demographic of low income people is... unsustainable.
Perhaps you've never heard of immigration quotas. The choice isn't between working hard to immigrate legally and being lazy by jumping the border. It's between saving up most of your income for many years to buy a lottery ticket while watching your children starve, or risking your life to jump the border and busting your ass to send back money to keep your family alive. If you think that any choice available to most of these people is an easy way out, then you have no idea how lucky you are.
America has always been about LEGAL immigrants who build their lives here.
FTFY. And for what it's worth, I'm not American. However, I did legally immigrate to my wife's country in the past, but we're back in Canada now and she legally immigrated here. When I finish my PhD, I might try to immigrate to the United States, legally.
That's the point, though, if you are eligible to come here legally you obviously don't need to break any laws. And if you have a comfortable life in your country home and you are not eligible to come here legally then you won't even think about it. Illegal immigrants come here the way they do because a) they don have Phds and b) They don't have a legal path to immigrate to the US.
Many of them are decent people who were just unlucky to be born in a poor family in a poor country, and there's no harm in those people immigrating, legally or not. The bigger concern is that they're coming in unchecked, so along with them come the bad guys. While unfortunately the reality is that every single poor person in the world can't be admitted to rich countries because it's not sustainable, I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of system where a limited number of unskilled immigrants were allowed in as a form of compassion, but nonetheless they are vetted in order to keep the bad guys out. It's a happy medium for both sides. Not too many unskilled ones because they'll depress wages and take jobs from people already at the bottom of the economic ladder (e.g., African-Americans) but it also doesn't totally shut people out and offers some a better life.
I don't disagree with you. Deporting the ones there now obviously has ethical issues, and as you've noted, would be incredibly difficult. That said, a wall with modern security systems and patrolling drastically reducing future illegal immigration is a great idea, and I don't see how people (not necessarily you) can deem that to be "racist". If undesirable Canadians were flooding over the border in large numbers illegally and a similar wall was needed, it surely would not be called "racist" to keep them out, so similarly it's not racist to keep illegal Mexicans out. As for legal Mexicans bringing skills and reunifying with family there legally, bring 'em on in!
Keyword is immigrants. People that legally immigrate to the US have to go through so much shit just to become a US citizen. Why should illegals get to game the system. It's not fair to the ones who legally immigrate and it is not fair to the Americans who were born here. Fix your own country.
Meh, I've jaywalked. That puts far more people at risk than just being here without papers. We should give them a viable path. Anyone who works here and hasn't committed a crime should be elgible for a visa and citizenship.
The current system invites them here to work for sub-standard wages but refuses to give them citizenship. That's fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 18:02:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt that a little unfair on all the immigrants who waited and went through the proper channels to come here legally? And all the ones still waiting in mexico but trying to come here legally?
Making a law more fair is always going to be unfair to the people who had to live under the old law. That's not a good reason not to improve the system.
Doesn't make it right to side-step the law, though. My grandparents came from Eastern Europe in the 60s. They were dirt poor and it took them many years, but they saved up the money to immigrate.
The argument I hear is that these people need to leave their countries now. But it's not like my grandparents could afford to stay in their country either. They had to make it through the war and through Stalin's Soviet Union.
So yeah, it is a bit lazy when plenty of people fill out the paperwork and come here legally despite coming from just as poor of a background.
They saved ip money to travel here. The wait time to legally immigrate was much shorter; and when there was some it was simply a quota and you knew where you stood.
There is not a legal path (other than the green card lottery) for poor Mexican and others from that region. None. Saving up money won't do them any good.
Our grand parents lived in a much different world on immigration.
Do you think that fining all those that are currently here illegally would be a solution that more people could agree with? On the exact amount I'm not sure.
meem1029 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:10:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sets a dangerous precedent that you can just sneak in, pay a fine, and be here legally.
How do you set that fine? What do we do with the ones who can't afford the fine? Isn't that making our immigration policy extremely biased against the poor?
I'm not saying it is a perfect solution and the things you pointed out are certainly valid reasons not to have that, I was just saying that it is a possible solution besides sending everyone back or keeping everyone here. Do you have a suggestion for a way that could satisfy both sides?
norx123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ive seen Trump take a lot of heat on this but I would like to hear someone who flames him propose a different solution. I have no idea what Hillary believes should be done.
norx123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that wikileaks has shown she has different private and public positions on some issues. Honestly the emails make it look like she is deceiving her base, which doesnt really include me. She panders man it is really obvious. Just look at her cryptic stance on TPP.
Oh, I thought you genuinely weren't sure on her policies. It looks like you were looking to promote Trump instead. Consider being a bit clearer on that next time, that way people won't accidentally think you are looking for help.
norx123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea what Hillary believes should be done.
WikiLeaks email states she wants free trade and worldwide open borders
Parysian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide open borders
I fucking wish.
bjfie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to the current precedent of, you can pay a coyote, come here for a bit of cash and basically live your entire life out here. You'll have to live with the fear of being deported always in the back of your mind, be a strain on the US healthcare system and live in a "shadow" society, but for most it's a successful "path" for their children to become American.
Isn't it a little unfair that we don't get drafted by the military anymore? Things change, things can improve, the things caused by the previous rules can't be erased, but it can be made better for others in the present and future.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:11:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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smock707 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:25:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't do jaywalkers compared to illegal immigrants, but if we assume that jaywalkers are non-immigrants, then maybe this is what you're looking for? https://www.ncjrs.gov/criminal_justice2000/vol_1/02j.pdf
An interesting takeaway is that perceptions of violent crime for immigrants is far higher than the actual crime rates.
Also interesting is that the violent crime caused by citizens is higher than the crimes caused by illegal immigrants. So sure, there are violent crimes caused by illegal immigrants, but the rate of them is lower than the average rate for citizens.
Don't you see that the sub-standard wages you already mentioned create a huge problem for the job-market? Some people lose their jobs because illegals will work for less. Those people then have to rely on state subsidies instead of paying taxes, while illegals mostly don't pay taxes.
Well the worst that can happen when you jay walk is get hit by a car and cause a couple thousand dollars in damage to yourself and their vehicle.
When people come to this country illegally who pays for their Children to go to school, who pays for their emergency room visits when they get ill, and what about all the money they remove from the US economy by sending it back to their home countries?
I'm not saying they are bad people or that something can't be worked out so they can still find work, like seasonal employment programs, or become legal.
Really? I find it hard to believe considering all the money spent on managing the illegal problem. As well as all the social services money they consume. I don't really think it's a good idea to just leave them as illegals. We need to figure out a system to either legalize them, so we can better tax an allocate social services money, or remove the majority of them. Either way the current system is broken and having millions of people living in your nation undocumented and maybe paying taxes is not a good idea.
Cause it's a really good idea to have millions of undocumented people living in your nation. Because it's not like it's important for a country to keep track of those living in your nation. You do also realize that unless the problem is solved, I don't know what the solution is but you aren't seriously going to tell me the current system is perfect and doesnt need adjustment.
I've found that most people who don't understand how we can do basic things like estimate the number of undocumented immigrants aren't open to accepting work done by experts.
I'd like to be proven wrong/
norx123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I havent seen you present anything concrete at all. You have a source for the original claim?
This is like asking if the sky is blue. It's common knowledge and been reported on in every major paper - I've read it at least twice in the LA times and once in the NY times. If you honestly haven't read anything on this and are new to the discussion on immigration I can google a link for you later when I land and am off mobile. My experience is that most people disputing a well known fact like this are being deliberately obtuse - apologies if you are not.
norx123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It really really isnt like asking if the sky is blue. You stated literally nothing specific. I study mathematics and stat and econometrics, I would like to see the study and specific methodology used. I trust politically charged studies referenced by redditors like I trust 40 year old health analysis studies of smoking.
These are standard studies that look at tax revenue vs social costs. If you acknowledge being new to discussions on immigration I'll look one up for you. If you claim to have any knowledge of the immigration situation but aren't familiar with these I'm hard pressed to understand how.
norx123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really interesting I didn't know those existed. It actually seems really strange to me that you have to be a nonresident alien to get one. So the IRS basically knows where every single illegal in the US works, if they pay taxes that is.
What would be the motivation for an illegal to apply for one of these? It doesn't make you eligible for social security or other social services?
Also wouldn't employers not want their illegal employees to pay taxes? Cause then wouldn't the IRS be aware that they hire illegal labor and wouldn't the employer have to pay them at least minimum wage?
They don't dona citizenship check for it. If you don't have one and your employer gets audited they get financially reamued. The IRS doesn't care if you hire illegals. They do care if you are cooking your books to pay them.
They want to contribute for the services they use. They're here because services in their country suck.
I don't know many people who love America as much as your average illegal resident. I definitely don't know anyone more gung-ho America than a naturalized citizen.
If you make less than like $25k per year there is no mandate to file. If you don't file you just don't get a refund. You are only legally required to file for certain classes of income.
But what about the ones who make more than that? Also for those who make less do they still pay for SS? Your pay for that regardless of your income level.
That's true, at least with large companies. In the area I live most landscaping companies use illegal labor and pay them between 10-15 dollars an hour.
But yeah if you worked in a slaughterhouse in the south or something your gonna make sub minimum wage.
Also I think you underestimate their industriousness. Those guys bust their asses it's possible to hold down two jobs that pay at least 12.5k per year.
Most are getting paid wither with an ITIN or a fake SS number.
danesays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how do they even pay? With no SS number and not being here legally and all how do they file their taxes?
They have fake SSNs.
Source: I used to do payroll for a company with a large immigrant workforce. Every year the IRS would send me a list of our employees who paid taxes with invalid SSNs. I would give the list to the managers and ask them to double-check the SSNs by asking their workers to bring in their SS cards. Those workers always quit abruptly because they knew their documents were counterfeit and feared deportation.
Damn that pretty messed up. Honestly in that case the system takes advantage of them. Since they had to quit and probably get new fake papers they'll never see any of the SS money they paid in and the gov probably keeps their refund for that year too.
danesays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is messed up. These were hard-working people making next to nothing, people who were never late or called in sick, always willing to work overtime.
I hated that time of year, and so did the managers. The managers would tell me about the fear in their workers' eyes when they heard about the IRS letter. And then we'd never see those people again.
So when people complain about about immigrants not paying taxes and using resources they're not entitled to, I try to explain that many of them do pay taxes and receive no benefit from it.
Well they just don't get SS or a return. If they have kids or use any public service such as a library or a emergency room they receive those benefits. Still messed up tho.
I've worked with illegals in the trades. They buy Puerto Rican ss# and file a w2 like everybody else, for the most part. Most contractors won't hire someone with no paperwork, too much liability.
The context of my statement was pretty clear. I'd rather have ESL immigrants who make an effort to learn our language than citizens who have been afforded every opportunity and still can't figure basic shit out.
If they don't like that then they can fuck off to wherever they came from. Comparing jaywalking to illegal immigration is hysterical. Bravo for giving me a good laugh today.
Also, by default, an illegal immigrant has broken the law and continues to break the law by being here. So your argument about giving the ones who haven't committed a crime is invalid .
I hope one day you make friends with people outside your social class and learn to view even the poor and struggling as fellow people. It will do a lot for your happiness.
I don't. I'm not a criminal. And I don't see why you feel the need to call me a xenophobe. My best friends are a first generation immigrants from Kenya and Russia. They're good people, hard working and cultured. That's because they worked hard to come to America rather than just jumping a fence. It amazes me that you can't see the difference between illegal aliens and immigrants. It's disrespectful.
No, it was available to skilled foreign workers. Why the fuck would you want unskilled Mexican laborers in our country? Why mass import unskilled workers when we have enough of our own? Why can't the Mexicans stay in their own country, or at least work their way up to success legally. You cannot convince me that these people are backed into a corner and have no way out. The American dream is to work your way to success. Immigrants to Ellis Island slaved in their home country for an opportunity to come to America and be an American citizen. We call ourselves a nation of immigrants because it is a compliment. True immigrants are hardworking, loyal, skilled and dedicated to making America better. These illegal aliens entering our country only come to leech off the system, and get a paycheck to send back to their family in Mexico. It is a horrible system.
Oh, I see. They enjoyed the benefit and privilege of being able to learn a skill that helped them jump the queue.
You're being xenophobic if you can't recognize that a Mexican immigrant didn't have the same options your friend had. You're perfeclty ok with foreigners as long as their culture is similar enough to ours that they can get skills that let them get ahead in the queue here, but you freak out the second a Mexican wants in.
I'm saying your friends came from a more privileged class and benefitted from that. I've met Kenyans who went to college, so I'm assuming parts of it are fairly developed.
Yes, and the immigrants working the unskilled jobs are coming from more undeveloped area.
i'm struggling to understand your point. Your friend with more options and a background more similar to yours was able to come here. Mexicans from poor parts of Mexico don't have those options, and come here and contribute anyway. Somehow that scares you?
I'm saying that if you state they should wait in line like your friend did that you are ignorant about how immigration works. If you think it's only ok when it's your buddies from backgrounds like yours you probably border on xenophobic.
In what world is Kenyan culture similar to America? Kenya is a third world country, Sub-saharan, underdeveloped. An middle class worker in Kenya is not the same as one in America.
No, but your buddy had the education and background to get a visa. There are parts of America where medical aid workers operate. We're comparing specifically the options of an unskilled laborer vs the fortunate background your buddy has. I'm assuming your buddy's culture/background are closer to yours than that of an unskilled Mexican laborer. Am I incorrect?
Or, let's back up. Did your friend at least receive a high school education?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should give them a viable path.
There actually is a viable path right now. Voluntarily pull up stakes, return to the home country, and get in line with the millions of people already in line to legally enter into the US. :) Not too hard is it?
yea fuck all those people coming to America to provide a better life for their families. none of our parents or grandparents did that shit! oh wait.. almost all of our ancestors did the exact same fucking thing
This isn't exactly a moral question. Suppose every poor african, asian and southern american wanting a better life came to europe or the united states. According to your logic, we'd have to let everybody in. There are several hundred million "really" poor people. We can't help them all.
But that would just encourage more people to immigrate illegally.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:56:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a legal and illegal way to do things.
All things considered, their parents are possibly using our school resources without paying taxes.
That being said, I'm usually against deporting families but making them pay a fine and force them to go through a strict 'legalization' process with a very strong deportation potential for any fraud or crimes committed.
SeeShark ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:10:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit on the fence on some of the related issues, but FWIW everybody pays taxes in states that have a sales tax.
And everyone pays property tax in one way or another. And SS tax doesn't mean much if you don't have a SS number to collect it. If you make less than $20k/year you aren't paying much if anything in federal or state income tax either. The only thing missing is payroll tax, but personally I'm a legal citizen and don't pay payroll tax either being self-employed.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can, but we've chosen not to. Big business likes being able to pay illegal immigrants less. Many people are too xenophobic to allow changes. So nothing happens.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, that's why they are criminals.
I feel bad, but I think Mexico should work on increasing their quality of living, not America taking their poor.
vzo1281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And since not all illegals are Mexican, what should be done with El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala?
norx123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are in $20T debt. We shoud worry about mexicos economy in the same sense that we worry about the global economy, but I do NOT pay taxes to help mexico or mexicans.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be okay with tax money taking care of Mexico if we could annex it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:17:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a great idea if America wasn't fueling their drug cartels..
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's our fault that we buy an illegal thing that they illegally traffick?
Come on.
Decriminalization would be great, but this isn't really a good time for a literal blame game.
Yes, it is our fault. We blame other nations if terrorists operate in their borders/
smock707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our economy is held in place because of illegal immigrants. If we taxed each and every illegal immigrant, they would demand higher wages, and in the long run our economy would suffer. The pay that companies would be giving in wages would cost them more than the benefits everyone would see from the paid taxes.
If you don't have some sort of higher education or certified trade skill, good job getting a work visa. And if you are able to apply for one, have fun waiting 10-20 years while your family is dying to cartel wars.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:07:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care.
Well I don't care tangibly anyway. We can't take in everyone, we take in a decent number of refugees every year, but the vast majority of those who come here should be to America's benefit and not their own.
So anybody facing hard conditions can just come to the United States and take advantage of our massive social programs and institutions? Thank god you aren't in charge or we would have 3 billion citizens tomorrow. We don't have the resources to take care of everybody on the planet. It is impossible. It is a good idea for la la land.
They wouldn't have to take advantage of social programs if they had jobs that paid them a decent wage. They might be able to have a job that pays a decent wage and pay taxes if they had a pathway that took less than 10 years.
We already have a lack of good jobs in this country. You're going to put extra strain on the job market and spend money on training citizens of other countries while we have a shit ton of issues to take care of here at home for our citizens? Think about all of the issues that go underfunded in our country. Now think of a politician trying to divert even more of our public money, that we are borrowing, to training and giving American jobs to citizens of other countries. This seems like an awful plan to me.
How about you legalize the drugs being traded? Thereby you could stop fueling the drug wars in south and middle america and actually create jobs in the US in the new developing business.
That might work. There are no guarantees. What will happen because of the absolutely trashed Mexican economy? Will there be violence because of the power vacuum? Will that violence spill over the border worse than it already is now? There are no guarantees with these things. If it were that easy of a solution and businessmen could make a shit ton of money off of it then they would lobby the government to allow it to happen. We haven't seen that yet so I doubt it is that simple of a solution. Also, America isn't the only country that keeps drugs illegal. That is actually every country.
So people that aren't full citizens should be payed $2 an hour? What about travelers with work permits from other modern countries like the UK? Should they make less than minimum wage since they aren't full citizens?
No because if you are working on a permit you are a legal citizen, not someone who crossed a border and demands citizenship and pay as much as everyone else. I'm getting disgusted at how many people think our border is a paper weight and anyone should be allowed in and have all the rights we have. There is a process to become legal and if that's a problem then turn your energy to your own country or another. Why do they come all the way from South America? Because our borders are so weak they can. You can't enter Canada that way? Should Canada be deemed horrible for having people properly enter their country and not willy nilly as they please?
Why do people come from south America? Because there is opportunity in the US. There used to be a thing called the American dream where people believed they could come here and make their lives better. There are dozens if billionaires who immigrated to the US and we're able to make it rich. The simple fact is that couldn't have happened in a lot of their home countries.
Yes, there needs to be a legal pathway, but when people come to the us, they bring money with them. If they have a legal job, they pay taxes on their income. If they have a legal job that gives them money enough past just surviving, they will spend that money into the local economy.
Just because we are the land of opportunity doesn't mean as long as you are poor and breathing you get that opportunity. We can't have open borders, our economy doesn't work like that. No other country can you enter and demand rights like you can in America. Can't do that in Canada, England, Norway, Russia, or Australia. Why should we be different? Because we feel like we are the worlds police and care taker?
Just the first page of your comment history is nothing but vitriol and ridiculous insults. You are such a quintessential Trump supporter I wonder if you might actually be Trump.
I'm interested in hearing more about your experience if you would like to share. Some dear friends FINALLY got their citizenship after being here in the US for 15ish years being co-sponsored at his job. Several times we all thought they were s.o.l and their being deported was imminent. Thank goodness it never came to that. Want to tell your story by any chance?
horneke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your friends legally came here on a work visa and later applied for citizenship? Sounds like the system worked out pretty well for them.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
15 years is a shitty long time to be in such a stupid limbo status. It is not a solution, any more than a bandaid for an amputation is.
My school was funded mostly by property taxes, so either illegal immigrants rent, and the owner pays for it, or they own, and they pay for it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot of if if if if okie doke involved with that.
Most illegal immigrants go to poor and city schools which get much of their funding from the state because otherwise they would not have enough money for much.
In the bay area CA that's not really the case though, our schools are pretty decent and very well funded. I'm just pointing out an exception, which I'm sure won't apply in most states but that's the problem with federal legislation.
norx123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the household size is like 15 people that doesnt matter. I worked for fedex in a rural area and it was obvious where the illegal workers lived because there would be like 15 men living in a 4 bedroom house next to a farm. They then split rent and food costs and send the rest home.
I'm not talking about rural America. I don't live there so I have no experience. I'm just saying blanket statements like these don't accurately reflect the entire immigrant experience. Also if you have 15 ppl living in a 4 bedroom here you will be evicted. Fast.
norx123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanted to point out it is a bit more nuanced than what you said. And you are right they do get evicted.... and then the property value of the home and surounding homes goes down.
Edit: glad you dont experience this in your region but you shouldnt ignore it just because it does not affect you
You know most of the US is stolen land, right? The state I live in wouldn't be part of the country without half a dozen broken treaties. What right do we have to close our borders?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:04:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The right of the ability to kill anyone who tried taking our land.
It's estimated that at least 50% of undocumented immigrants pay taxes without being able to reap the benefits of tax-funded programs. So it's just as likely that their parents are paying taxes. Source
I think this gets overlooked a lot in this argument.
Though I agree that there should be a better legalization process for people who are here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally speaking, including yours, that is always flaunted by extremely biased sources.
I'm not saying it's wrong, but it holds the political weight class of a stormfront article.
As an example, that article says that about 3m people use itins and then adds a guess of how many immigrants pay taxes in various other ways to make it be 50%.
The problem with that is easy. Mostly all of the 3m itins are legal residents.
I just did a quick search for a handy article; however, I have done more thorough research on this topic in the past (maybe 8 years ago) and found similar things from less biased sources.
I was just trying to bring up that point that "illegal immigrants don't pay taxes and freeload off legal citizens" argument is oversimplified and incorrect.
If you can find an unbiased source that proves otherwise, I'd be very interested in reading it :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will do my best. But I'm also drinking and watching football so I'm not going to try hard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the Legal way is to get here by boat, then hunt down all the injuns, hunt their bison to near extinction, kill their horses, rape their women and children, and force them into tiny reservations were we can educate them and make them as civilized as possible.
That is how you get citizenship. All the people who came here and didn't do that are lazy bums.
โGive me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!โ
Ariel125 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:27:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher, but I help in a school library. One little boy was singing:
"Donald Trump
picking his butt
how many fingers
did he get stuck?!"
I laughed and said: "Shhhhh"
Masylv ยท 1614 points ยท Posted at 16:53:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Masylv ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 18:16:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I know lots of guys, okay, lots of really attractive guys, 9s and 10s, you know. And I gotta say, they've all got big hands - the most beautiful hands - and some people say that means something else too. I'm not saying Donald's small hands mean anything, of course not, but I've had many people, the best people, come up to me and say "you know, Donald's hands are pretty small, maybe that means something" and I'm not saying it does, just that some people have concerns. But not me, nobody has more respect for men than I do, believe me.
Let me tell you -- we know how to impersonate Trump. Some say that other people, other websites, have better Trump impersonations, and I'm not saying they don't. But let me tell you, I've had people come up to me and say "you know, /u/Masylv's Trump impression really is the best.", and it's true! It's true, we have the best Trump impersonators, believe me.
When we have a world where we have ISIS chopping off heads, you know, we need to remember that our Trump impersonations are the very best. It's one of those things, Mexicans don't do it as well as we do, and the people, who are beating us, with ISIS, are -- Can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with ISIS, and they look at our country and they see what we have.
I will defeat ISIS, I'm going to build a wall on the Mexican border and we're going to use it to knock the hell out of ISIS. And I will tell you, /u/Masylv is going to pay for it.
The joke is related to his ridiculous reaction to it, not his actual hands. Unless you're saying his hands are actually really tiny and people shouldn't mention it.
sloppies ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:57:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not being an annoying perpetually offended twerp are we?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:04:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are tiny hands really seen as unattractive and is it body shaming even if normal hands (small, medium, or large) aren't given much stock when evaluating attractiveness? Does body shaming the size of someone's hands matter? I don't think so.
I'm a guy and I only ever wish my hands were larger when I want to be able to climb better.
Oomba73 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small hands imply small dick size, that's why it's so funny.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are more articles if you google. Idk it's just always been a potty joke in school
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but the source you linked literally starts with "Penis length cannot be determined by how big his hands or feet are -- those and other supposed indicators have been widely discredited for years".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck
let the downvotes pour on him holy shit
b3rn13mac ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 19:59:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why is this getting downvoted?
It's an honest, though unpleasant question pointing out a double standard set.
Even if you believe Trump to be a racist/sexist/bigot/etc. why would you drop yourself to the same level, then downvote people who dare question you? It's just dumb.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:43:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is a serial body shamer, it's a non-zero part of the reason he's so famous. So nobody cares if he gets a taste of his own medicine.
Masylv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:02:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Trump body shames people, especially women, so it's fun to do it to him. I actually upvoted him, so I don't agree with the downvotes.
Dirty lying shill faced shill pants.. Look at this "person's" acct. No activity for 3 years, then bam, it's all fuck trump.
You guys, I don't even like Trump, but you're making me feel bad for him in the same way I feel bad for kids who get bullied. I'm the kind of person who says stuff to people who bully, and it's making me look like I support Trump, so how about, considering that that's a thing with most people, why don't you guys just go ahead and let us have our free speech back? This is hurting you.
I lurk every single day from this account. I don't even have a throwaway account.
Totally undecided in this election, and have no idea what shill faced shill pants even means.
My username is what my Indian name would be, but you go right ahead and have yourself a little conniption fit like a little girl if you want to.
You guys, I don't even like Trump, but you're making me feel bad for him in the same way I feel bad for kids who get bullied.
So you equate the victims of bullying to bullies who finally have someone take a swing at them. Do you also feel bad for thieves who have their stolen goods stolen from them?
I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right, but I have no sympathy for victimizers who find themselves victimized.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You want other stuff? I feel like you're challenging me rather than asking for info, so I mean, no offense but I don't wanna go gather you this stuff if you're just going to be a douche in a bit. Could be wrong, though. Were you legit interested?
I have this little boy in my class who we call "The Little Professor". He's about 5 now, I think. Talks like a nerd with the whiny voice, looks like a nerd with glasses and sweater vests, but he's literally the sweetest child ever, and he has the brain to match how he looks. He's quite popular among the other kids, so they take what he says as the word of God. So one day, my coteacher, cackling, comes up to me and tells me to ask him who he'd vote for if he could. Our conversation goes like this:
Me: So, little professor, who are you voting for?
Him: [stands up and screams] Hillary Clinton!!
Me: And why are you voting for Hillary Clinton?
Him: [still standing and screaming] BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS A LIAR.
And then he got the rest of the kids to start running around and singing "Trump is a liar! Trump is a liar!โ I didn't have the heart to bring it up with mom when she came to get him. One girl did tell me she was voting for "The girl. Because I like girls more than boys."
In my other class, I had one of my girls who are about 10 or 11 tell me "You better vote for Hillary. DO YOU WANT TO CONDEMN ME TO A BAD FUTURE???"
In my other class, I had one of my girls who are about 10 or 11 tell me "You better vote for Hillary. DO YOU WANT TO CONDEMN ME TO A BAD FUTURE???"
Holy shit.
[deleted] ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 21:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is a Trump supporter but I have been trying to get him to tone down his rhetoric a little.
Some times, when he gets a little wound up we remind him that he isn't actually voting and he gets MORE riled up and tells us that his "very future is at stake!" My daughter is voting for the first time and she support Gary Johnson. They aren't speaking right now.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 01:12:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your son is an idiot
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:28:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd put my son against many of the commenters here on Reddit. I bet he is more informed than most even if I don't agree with his assessment completely.
But at least he isn't on the internet calling kids idiots. He definitely has that going for him.
17Hongo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:15:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But at least he isn't on the internet calling kids idiots
Well, there's a reason you don't call kids idiots.
It's because it goes without saying. I mean, do you remember when you were a kid? Because I was a fucking idiot when I was a kid.
Oh there are many of them that are being brainwashed right now....I'm a Stein supporter myself, but I have friends who talk about how "the third parties don't matter and if you don't vote for Hillary you're voting for Trump".
yomama629 ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 00:25:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That implies that Hillary is better than Trump, which makes me instantly laugh at the argument any time I hear it. They both suck, and I want neither to run this country. These idiot baby boomers who support the establishment are the only reason there's still a two-party system in this country, 45% of millennials support a third-party candidate this election cycle.
spxctr ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:18:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
45% of millennials support a third-party candidate this election cycle
Well, honestly, I do think Hillary is better than Trump. Is she good? Hell no, she's a corporate shill and exists only to jerk off Wallstreet and Goldman Sachs. Let her burn. She is better, but she isn't good enough to be President of the United States. I refuse to vote for either of them.
You do know there's no chance of a third party candidate winning, right? Like, vote for who you want to vote for, of course, but if you want to vote third party you should be aware that your candidate is not going to win.
I'd say that was true in the era of the baby boomers. But 46% of the US identify as independents. More and more, corruption in the two main parties is showing the American people that these entities no longer represent the people, they represent the corporations. Higher ranking Democrat insiders called their base "communists". Do you think that makes people want to support them? No, we are tired of this democracy being gutted by corporate, and a change is needed. That change needs to come in the form of a major flushing of the two major parties, or for the people to choose another party and leave these two parties to wither and die like so many other "major parties" (the Democrat-Republicans, the Whigs, the Federalists, etc). Also, there are examples of parties that were once third parties winning (not just the Presidency):
The Bullmoose Party
The Free Soil Party
If the American system was limited to two parties, and there was NEVER a chance of the third party winning, then we'd still have Federalists and Anti-Federalists. Just thought you should be aware that your candidates are not the only ones out there.
Also, there are examples of parties that were once third parties winning:
* Teddy Roosevelt and the Bullmoose Party
* The Free Soil Party
That's completely wrong. Roosevelt became president in 1901 when President McKinley was assassinated. McKinley had been elected on a Republican ticket. Once McKinley's term was over, Roosevelt ran to continue his presidency with the Republican party. His term ended in 1909. Then in 1912, Roosevelt ran again for the office, this time with the Bullmoose Party, but he was not elected. Unless you meant 'winning' as in 'best third party performance in a presidential election in US history'?
There's never been a president affiliated with the Free Soil Party. It existed for two presidential elections, both of which it did well in for a third party - no electoral votes and 10% of the popular vote in 1848, no electoral votes and 5% of the popular vote in 1852.
But both those examples are over a century ago. Politics in the US have changed quite a bit since then. The last time a third party candidate won electoral votes was in 1972, and the last time a third party candidate won more than 1 electoral vote was in 1968.
Free Soil: Two senators and fourteen representatives
Bull Moose (also called the Progressive Party): Fourteen representatives, one Lt. Governor, one governor, one senator, one State Treasurer, and one mayor.
But it's obvious that Hillary is going to win right? She's polling really well, so if you would rather have her there ya go. But if you actually support a third party candidate you should definitely vote for them. If they get a good chunk of voters this election then more people will think it's possible for a 3rd party candidate to be elected.
I don't think it's obvious Hillary is going to win. I think there's a lot of people who do think that though, and so aren't going to vote or are going to think it's "safe" to vote for a third party candidate (safe as in their vote isn't needed to ensure Hillary's election or to defeat Trump), and I think that thinking is dangerous because it could lead to Trump doing better than expected and perhaps even winning.
If they get a good chunk of voters this election then more people will think it's possible for a 3rd party candidate to be elected.
I think a "good chunk of voters" is also unlikely. The last time a third party candidate won electoral votes was in 1972, and the last time a third party candidate won more than 1 electoral vote was in 1968.
It's going to take more than thinking a third party candidate win is possible to make it happen. The last time we had a president who wasn't a Democrat or a Republican was Andrew Johnson, who wasn't even elected - he became president when Lincoln was assassinated in 1865. The last time we elected a president who wasn't a Democrat or a Republican was Lincoln for his reelection, and obviously that was during wartime and in a dramatically different political situation than current day.
The fact of the matter is we have a two-party system, and the way that our political system works in general and in terms of presidential elections specifically makes it nearly impossible for a third party candidate to sneak in. And when that did happen on occasion in the 19th century, we didn't get a three-party system, we just got the third party becoming one of the two primary parties. We'd need to change the entirety of how the party system has worked practically since Washington left office (definitely since the end of the Civil War), and abolish or severely change the Electoral College, which requires a Constitutional amendment. That's such a major upheaval to our government that, believe it or not, I think the country is going to have to be in even more turmoil politically than it currently is. The only time we haven't had the two-party system since about 1800 is when it temporarily dissolved in 1860 during the immediate lead-up to the Civil War.
I completely agree. But we can't change how the political system works, how presidential elections work, right now. That's going to take years. So right now, your choice is Clinton or Trump. One of them is going to be president. And I do think we should work towards changing the system, but that's not something we can do in the next month or simply by casting a vote for president, so I don't think people should be thinking about that when voting for president right now.
I think Clinton is going to be a fine president. Is she going to be a great one? Probably not. Is she representative of the way politics currently works in this country? Absolutely. But at least we can predict what kind of president she's going to be and what her political views are. At least she knows what the job entails, at least she knows how to navigate our political system, at least she understands how our government works and wants to uphold the values of the Constitution and the American people.
I definitely disagree with you on Clinton, but thank you for wording your argument so well and not going all crazy like most people do one the internet when they get into an argument.But I think that the best path to change at the moment, would be voting 3rd party (if you don't support either main candidates)
I'm just very scared about what's going to happen if Trump is elected. I'm a bisexual woman with chronic illnesses that prevent me from working, so if Trump as president sticks to the opinions he's been espousing and the Republican party's platform for this election, my quality of life and my Constitutional rights are going to be at risk. And even beyond that, I worry that Trump's complete lack of political expertise and his temperament and his professed admiration for people like Putin and Kim Jong-Un is going to be dangerous for everyone in America, and I worry that there's going to be very negative effects on many of our relationships with allies.
And supporting third party candidates means making sure to vote for them in local elections where they have the ability to win. It's slowly building a party from the ground up to be able to compete and make change. I've volunteered for thousands of hours and knocked on at least a thousand doors, traveled across my state helping candidates that have the chance (if supported) to win local elections. The third parties don't do a good job of building a foundation, they put too much effort and money into a race every four years and don't focus enough on building a party from the ground up. It's fucking hard work and they need to do it instead of whining every four years.
Fikkia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:19:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but only because of people spouting this bullshit all day saying it's a waste.
And then you guys complain about a 2 party system that you're all aggressively perpetuating.
And that's exactly what we're doing. He/she is supporting Stein and I'm supporting Johnson. We're voting for people who we would want to see win the election, not people we think would run the country into the ground.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 20:47:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother just got married. My parents and I have "differing" political views. Well, my brother, my sister-in-law, my mother and I are sitting around, someone mentions politics. My brother looked at my mother, who is ecstatic that one of her sons was a big enough sucker to put a ring on something, and says "Think about who you vote for if you want us to be comfortable having children in the future." It was the first time in my life I've ever seen her actually consider her own or someone else's political stance critically.
as someone who is working on their final installment of "please, dad, for the love of god, do not vote for trump", which includes a breakdown of social security plans (or lack thereof), this gave me hope. i became disabled recently, at the ripe age of 25. my dad's losing it over the cost of my medical care, sudden inability to support myself, impending doom over insurance etc., and he's not a stupid man. he loves me a lot and i do think it will help him make the right decision on election day, but damn, its been a rough year...
john6806 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:43:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor girl. She doesn't realize the futures shit either way...
You would be suprised how many 11 year olds actually do know about politics. It's not many but it's more than you think.
Not_5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't dispute that some 11 year olds may know about politics, but to be able to form such a polarizing opinion of the current political environment like voting for a certain candidate will materially affect their future is a bit too far for me to comprehend. Generally their understanding is more along the lines of oh this candidate has this opinion on this matter and I don't like that.
ld-cd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:26:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think most adults have more sophisticated opinions?
She's actually one of my kids who are taking super advanced classes... I don't remember the name, but at my old school we called it GATE. Her classes involve writing blog posts and debates and her parents aren't really political, so it wouldn't surprise me if she came up with it in her own.
You must not understand how the three branches of government work if you think that one of the candidates can limit your civil rights. The lamestream media did a number on you if you think that's possible. If Congress didn't shut him down, the Supreme Court would.
What the next president can do pretty effectively is bypass the War Powers Act to start yet another fight in the Middle East (like Bush and Obama have done) or continue down a path of irresponsible economic deregulation as well as pretend that climate change isn't about to become the greatest single issue we face as a species.
Voting third-party shows that we, the younger generation, are against the status quo of politics in this country and that we are willing to change the entire game if it means that corrupt, irresponsible politicians are no longer in office. The "a third-party vote is a vote for the less appealing establishment candidate" argument is shitty and has no basis in reality, since it implies that one of the establishment candidates is demonstrably worse than the other (not the case) and it tries to discourage people from thinking outside the box. Voting for the establishment is supporting the establishment, no matter how you slice it.
I'd rather support the establishment for an election than risk someone like Trump getting into power. Also do you know how the three branches of government work? Because the next president will be able to appoint the next Supreme Court Justice, and probably 1 or 2 more during their time in office. Trump's list of candidates that he's released is filled with people who would happily rule to reverse marriage equality, or who will back up discriminatory laws like HB2 or the FADA should they be taken to federal court. Trump has also promised to sign the FADA into law should it get through Congress.
If you don't think one of these candidates is demonstrably worse than the other than you're probably just lucky that their bullshit policies regarding minorities won't affect you personally.
But Trump will lead to a Dictatorshipesque future, so let's go Hillary! At worst with her, we have 4 years of a meh presidency, he'll fucking ruin the country.
That's not going to happen. The presidents words are not the be all end all, he could not take away any of your rights without both other sectors of the government agreeing with him, which is very unlikely. There's probably a higher chance that Hillary will implement a shitty law because her and the rest of the government have the same corporate interests.
waiv ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:15:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you know, the republicans already control the Senate and the House, and if he wins they'll probably get 2-3 seats in the Supreme Court in the next 4 years. If we had a Trump controlled Supreme Court 4 years ago Same sex marriages wouldn't be legal in the whole country now, Texas would've made abortion inside the state all but impossible and North Carolina would've enacted Racist voter ID laws. A Trump presidency would be extremely detrimental for civil rights.
Trump isn't a typical republican though, many of Trump's beliefs don't allign with most republicans in politics. Also, Hillary has ridiculous views on abortion and race issues as well, she believes aborting a baby the day before it's about to be born is acceptable.
You don't need to stage a military coup to make life shitty for your country. You just need to do things like follow up on Donald Trump's statements which offer a low threshold to use nuclear weapons, destroying the naval vessels of sovereign nations if their sailors taunt your sailors, or even just start slaughtering women and children en masse if you believe them to be related to terrorists.
You don't need the house or senate for that. Just the military.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... no on the military coup, yes on him being a dangerous fear monger that calls for this shit:
If this was said in the UK, old people would vote with the specific intention to condemn her to a bad future for having the gall to be a young person with an opinion.
RCS47 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:56:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About the Little Professor?
Take his name down, he has a future as a Party Whip in the House of Reps.
My workplace is very ahh...PC. I can't bring up holidays (even non-religious ones like Halloween or Thanksgiving-- technically I'm not even allowed to bring up MLK day or birthdays) without explicit permission from all the parents, let alone discussing politics with the kids. I'm supposed to inform parents when it happens, considering I have to be polite to her political preferences and all, but I didn't care enough and I thought it was funny, so I decided not to.
I am a full-time sub working on my certification and oftentimes (because I was an English major) pick up books the kids are reading to start a dialog with them or see what's popular in YA. I also bring a goodie bag for the younger kids if they keep my Too Noisy Pro happy. This day, I was stuck in an upper level math.
Imagine my shock (here in the Free State o'Jones) to ask a kid what he was reading and it was the Divine Comedy. I went to the desk, reached in my bag, and brought him back a Moon Pie.
"Why?" He said.
"Son. Just cause. Just cause."
ShyAltBro ยท 930 points ยท Posted at 14:53:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no teacher, but last night my little brother told us not to vote for Hillary because she eats babies. Everyone lol'd. He also joked about how he is voting for trump.
Yes, it would be front page news with several opinion pieces on how this applies to Republicans being bigots, racists, eat babies, etc.
danhern ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary clinton is a prominent figure, nobody gives a shit about some fire in some building in a state that a majority of people in america don't live in and didn't kill anyone.
An attack on the state headquarters of one of the two major parties in the country. Would you care if the democrat HQ got bombed? Perhaps then you'd start blaming Republicans
danhern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh no apparently I'm a republican because nobody cares about your stupid fire
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am so happy your brother is still innocent. At least, that's what I gather from this post. Sorry, that was random, I just know way too many nine year olds that act 16.
qnepster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bent42 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:28:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the mental age of Trump supporters?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. :)
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 18:15:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whats with all the trump hate on reddit? And every news outlet
gc3 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:53:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Donald Trump should stop the media from reporting on and quoting Donald Trump. The more people know about him, the less they like him. It's ruining his chances to win the election, which are down to thirteen percent. It must be a media conspiracy, led by a potty mouthed clown who pretends to be Donald Trump but is actually his evil twin.
He's a vulgar ass who says awful things that offend most groups of people who has stupid ideas that would be awful for America. Lots of people hate him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're on reddit bro. The most liberal site there is.
In 5th grade (back in 2000), had a girl insist that Hillary & Bill abducted babies, killed them, and ate them. They also used older children (our age) in Satanic rituals to secure the 1996 election. Seriously, she had to be taken outside and lectured a few times because she would make very loud outbursts and start sobbing uncontrollably that she didn't want her baby sister to be eaten and would scream/screech that Hillary is Hitler and is trying to "holocaust her" (she didn't know who Hitler was, FYI).
Here we are in the middle of talking about the part in Hatchet where the main character butchers a bird and suddenly I hear "NOOOOOOO. HILLARY WILL DO THAT TO MY SISEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER."
Not kidding, my girlfriend was working in an office in 1991 and brought home a junk fax in which some anti-abortionist told a story about meeting Hillary Clinton and asking her why she didn't realize that supporting abortion was simply and unequivocally murdering babies. Hillary, of course, replied that she knew this and enjoyed the thought of babies being murdered. In fact, she ate murdered babies in order to remain young and powerful.
A few days later, my Catechism-teaching Catholic mother told me the same story, except she insisted that it was a member of our church with family in Arkansas who met Hillary.
Takeaway lessons:
1. This is an old campaign lie.
2. My mother is full of shit, so don't believe her pillow talk.
csl512 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's worse, infanticide + cannibalism, or incest?
I'm going to go with column A, Bob.
randoptmj ยท 910 points ยท Posted at 15:39:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not a teacher, but I worked at a school for a few weeks. There was this kid whose parents were American and we'd already bonded over the fact that my mom was American too (we live in Portugal). One day, the kid comes up to me and says "Do you know who Donald Trump is?" and I said I did. The kid giggled and whispered in my ear "My mom calls him Donald Trampa." Trampa is one of many ways to say 'shit' in Portuguese. I had the hardest time trying not to laugh.
I have said that all the time since then, too! The hardest part was trying to tell that kid trampa was not a very nice word to say while holding back a giant urge to laugh.
My buddy is a teacher. He had to reprimand a lad for saying "If you were an inch taller you'd be round", but not before getting a stifled laugh out of his system...
IKR. He had to double back and get the laugh out of his system while hiding around the corner. I love the mental image this invokes.
17Hongo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:22:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, how the hell teachers make it through the day without laughing their heads off is beyond me.
A friend of mine teaches Primary 1 (ages 4-5), and was reading them the story of the 3 Little Pigs. When she got to the "and he huffed, and he puffed, and he blew the house in!", some kid at the back said "The bastard!".
A cursory look at the Wikipedia article would tell you otherwise. Before the 1980 coup and the two subsequent civil wars, it had a rapidly developing economy and a relatively high standard of living (for Americo Liberians). It was also a founding member of the UN.
The reason the coup and civil wars happened is because the political and economic system in Liberia was heavily stacked in favor of Americo-Liberians at the expense of natives, and in the 1920s there were allegations of forced labor that were credible enough the League of Nations sent people to investigate.
That's crazy I never knew that. Only thing I remember from school about the League of Nations is that they sucked because they had no way to police their shit and for them to go to Liberia. Either your a liar or my school didn't spend enough time on them. We really did speed through everything between WWI and WWII other than the depression
redlaWw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy to send someone to investigate, but harder to impose a punishment on a sovereign nation if those investigations find anything.
The League lacked much in the way of power for enforcing things and just kind of had to hope countries would go along with it (and they increasingly didn't by the end, which is why it failed) but it's not like it was just five guys sitting in a corner office doing nothing all day. A lot of the League's infrastructure was absorbed by the UN after WWII--the Palais des Nations, for instance, which is the UN office in Geneva, was the original League headquarters. And they did have some early diplomatic successes, like resolving a territorial dispute between Turkey and Iraq that granted Mosul to Iraq.
In the case of Liberia, the League's report actually caused the President and Vice President to resign in disgrace.
I couldve just ignored it and kept scrolling. But that horse of a "joke" has just been beat to a red splatter. At the time I just felt like voicing my opinion on the matter. Sometimes just reading comments on Reddit Im like, god damn, what kind of idiot thinks thats a worthwhile comment or has any meaningful insight on the matter? "Some thing something steal beams! HAR HAR HAR!" wow, How creative and original of you...
Sometimes just reading comments on Reddit Im like, god damn, what kind of idiot thinks thats a worthwhile comment or has any meaningful insight on the matter?
Holy shit! I watched the first debate and I didn't notice the sniffles but, after hearing people talk about it I couldn't not notice it during the second one, it drove me crazy!
I have always appreciated your work immensely. Last week when I went to Flotsom Paradise--whoo wee! Said to myself, "That Steel Memes, he sure as hell knows how to build a buffet service!"
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I work with middle and high school students, and I've lost track of the number of times my non-white students have asked me if Trump will kick them out of the country if he is elected. I try really hard to stay neutral when students bring up politics at school because I want them to develop their own opinions, but it's been tough this election.
It honestly isn't an equal picture for an institution with the demographics of yours. This election is an example of backlash from a dying demographic.
user1492 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could just tell them "no." There's nothing wrong with telling your students the truth about political issues.
Oh, I do tell them! That's the easy part, because the answer is cut and dry.
tomdarch ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:31:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the honest answer be, "No, I don't think so, and many Americans would fight to prevent it, and while Trump hasn't specifically said he'd kick out any citizens, he is very inconsistent making things up as he goes along, and doesn't try to make his policy claims fit within what's legal or constitutional, so we really can't know."
I understand that, but what sort of nationality would the child have? Mexican or American? Assuming they came from Mexico.
rolabond ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the parents where illegals from Mexico and the children born here they would be American but the kids would still end up kicked out de facto if the parents were forced to go back to Mexico. Where else would the kid live if left behind? Foster homes?
This actually happened to family of mine, the children did not come back to the United States until years into their adulthood.
user1492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parents can apply for legal status if their children are American citizens.
rolabond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figure that is what would happen
Not sure what happened with my family, I think the father missed his family enough going back wasn't a big deal and his kids hadn't started school yet.
Snailic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:08:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you would be on one side or the other if you only told them the facts based on the candidate's positions. If it isn't something the candidate has said or posted, then you don't have to choose a side or make a position for the candidate.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:12:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it comes down to a lot of misinformation that gets spread around at school and online.
I should add that a majority of my students receive at least some special ed services. I often forget that they don't have a lot of the background knowledge that I take for granted. For example, I spent an entire period the other day trying to explain the differences between the democratic and the republican parties. I think my students were still pretty confused at the end.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, I try my very best to keep my opinion out of the discussion, but there's a lot of moral gray area in life. I suspect you would not find it very easy if you were in my shoes.
OnlyMath ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's one Muslim in my school district and they refer to her mother as a "raghead" it's heart breaking how insensitive they are. But most likely it comes from home.
DVasky ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everything you find offensive has to be racist/sexist.
dl_man_71 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:50:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I mean Muslim isn't a race, but Arab, Persian, Pashtun, Turkish, Indonesian, etc are all at least least ethnicities, and the difference between race and ethnicity is mostly semantics. Both are social and cultural constructs and don't really exist biologically.
People use the "Muslim isn't a race" line so they can pretend their particular irrational hate of people who are different is totally fine and not racist at all.
Calling someone a "Raghead" is just as offensive as calling a Hispanic person a "Spic" (Hispanic is also not a race, but see above doesn't matter) or a black person a "Nigger". The point is that rather than judging someone based on their actions or the content of their character you judged that person based on the way they look or the culture they're from.
So yea, Muslim isn't a race, but that's not the point.
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They look pretty similar to a white fella from Ohio with a questionable education and no exposure to anyone other than white, questionably educated Ohioans
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can use whatever word makes you more comfortable,
Again, I think we get hung up on race and racism as the issue. In a strict semantic sense, slurs against Muslims aren't racist per se. But the underlying point of the slur, and really all racial/ethnic slurs is the same.
No...no you can't. That is absurd. You use the word that is correct in meaning and doesn't lead to MORE confusion. You understand by letting the "he hates Islam or Muslims, he's racist!" crap slide you are just furthering the perception that Islam is a race? You are literally making things worse for everyone, Muslims included.
Use the word anti-Muslim bigotry.
Parsing out the distinction between race, religion, and ethnicity is a distraction people use to shield their own bigotry.
Oh OK, so since I'm parsing it out I'm just a bigot according to you right? Dat logic.
Nope. No basis for it in science.
There is actually. Ethnicity is related to biology as well as culture, linguistics, etc
While ethnicity remains primarily a sociocultural category, it has biological precursors, parameters, and consequences for both individuals and groups. The genetic components of these biological dimensions remain to be identified and quantified.
Because this also supports what I said, not what you did.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:52:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just seems like your typical naive White guy who doesn't know shit about Islam related issues and just parrots what he hears, I don't think he's a genuine apologist based on his post history. He is very ignorant though, I love how he tried to explain the difference between Arabs and Indonesians to you lol!!
My dad is a Trump supporter and openly says he wants black people sent back to Africa. I know that's not Trump himself, but he does have a number of followers who support that.
k_4_b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DrZoey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just breed sharks with laser beams attached to their heads.
[deleted] ยท 363 points ยท Posted at 15:31:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then shouldn't he send the white people back to Europe? And all the Native Americans back to Asia? And all the immigrants back to their home country. In the end, he's gonna be pretty lonely.
lexgrub ยท 273 points ยท Posted at 15:44:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if we are two things. Do we get cut in half longways or shortways
[deleted] ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 15:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't have native blood you must marry someone who does within the next 4 years if you want to stay.
kiddo51 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:24:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he probably hates native americans too... so I'm not sure where that leaves us. Maybe nobody stays. Maybe he's just going to deport the whole country and be the only one left.
How about we just deport everyone back to the Fertile Crescent
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:49:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the native Americans stay in America?
B0Boman ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The prevailing anthropological theory is that they all migrated to the Americas from Asia over the Bearing land bridge during the last ice age. There's also some evidence that Polynesian sailors may have made it to South America at some point.
But if we're going to go that far, shouldn't we send all humans to the Great Rift valley where humanity is thought to have started in the first place?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:27:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean why even use our human ancestors? Let's all jump back into the fucking ocean.
But in all honesty I didn't know that and it's actually pretty cool, it wouldn't surprise me if the Polynesians did go to South America considering they navigated most of the Pacific. Never heard of the bearing land bridge though but it makes sense.
kiddo51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Evolution is another one of those hoaxes from the Chinese.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well maybe they'll evolve into lizards to combat their global warming hoax.
What if we're so caught up in our vitriol that we think he's a racist and hates all Mexicans but really he just wants to make sure we know whos coming in and out, kinda like we do in our own homes? I mean I dont know about you but I dont let people into my home that I havent vetted. Is there anything controversial about that?
PATXS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i hope he actually does this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty if he wins I wouldnt mind a free ticket home. Same for shillary though really.
McWaddle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:04:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then shouldn't he send the white people back to Europe?
Just the Irish.
saremei ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has never advocated sending any ethnic groups back to where they came from. Literally none. The only people he's even talked about that are ILLEGAL immigrants. People who have no legal right to be here. And blocking immigration from terrorist hot zones. Both completely logical.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because when teachers talk politics they let their biases influence what they say whether they intend to or not. Sure, its easy to say that they should correct something this obviously false, but where do you draw the line? Where is the barrier between fact and opinion in politics, especially in this election where the facts don't seem to have any bearing.
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Given the fact that L'Orange himself is saying an (((international cabal of bankers))) is rigging the election, it's not a stretch at all.
gimpwiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the "sheriff star" and the reference to the "fourteen words"...
Like, I know some people yell about anti-semitism at the drop of a hat. Some people equate criticism of israel with anti-semitism.
But we all know that Bush had nothing against jews. McCain has nothing against jews. Romney had nothing against jews. And they didn't really pander to their base who does.
Donnie... well... to be fair, we've only heard him make one jew joke, and he hasn't directly said jews were responsible. I mean, mexicans, muslims, black people, but not jews. Globalists and bankers, but not jews. All the other little things. But he's not on tape directly saying it. So... plausible deniability, I suppose.
I mean...globalist is losing its camouflage as a dogwhistle, imho.
gimpwiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely.
It sounds like "we need to watch out for people who don't live here influencing our lives through business, monetary policy, and even condemning us for things they don't understand."
It seems to really mean "fuck china, fuck europe, fuck the jews, fuck the muslims, fuck the catholic church [usually], fuck russia, fuck em all."
With more or less influence placed on muslims and jews depending on who's speaking. If someone rails about globalists and bankers, what they really mean is pretty fucking obvious.
Well President Monroe tried repatriating former slaves back to Africa. Called the country Liberia for liberty, you know what these freed men named their capital? Monrovia.
This country is doing very well today and is poised to increase their GDP this year to that of my left nut.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slave trade re-re-remix!
methshin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We formed Liberia and by God we're going to use it!
I teach high school and a lot of my African American students say this. I tell them that it's not possible for something like that to happen. (I also refuse to tell them who I'm voting for, because I think that's not appropriate for a teacher to do.)
I just wanted to say it's worrisome to hear what some of these young men and women (Black, white, Hispanic, etc...) have in their minds about either candidate. Many of my students are only a year off from being able to vote (some bare months from being eligible this year) and many of them do not have a realistic idea of how politics or the government itself works. We need to focus on education!!
...Sorry about that rant. I will say, when kids talk about it, it's cute. A 6th grader in May was complaining about the bad lunches and said, "Oh, well that will change when Trump gets in." lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm just lucky, but at my high school we would have mock debates between history teachers' classrooms where we had to do heavy fact checking, learn public speaking skills, create opening + closing remarks, learn all we could about the other side's talking points so we could create readily available rebuttals. This was during the 2008 election and I was a sophomore in high school. I felt very prepared to become a voter and was so fucking ecstatic when I was able to vote in the 2012 election. My history teacher was the greatest. He made us so passionate about our country. My favorite thing was he wouldn't let us debate for just the conservative or liberal side throughout the duration of his class. He wanted us to learn about and argue for what opposes our own views to expose us to a variety of ideas.
Then again I went to a high school in the Massachusetts suburbs.
I also felt prepared to vote, and I feel that I do understand how our government works. As for politics, I feel like every person needs to do their own research... since you need to form your own opinions. Then again, I went to a school in NY in the early 2000's.
Now I teach at a rural school in eastern NC. Education is not valued here. Many students don't seem to have a desire to learn about their country. Additionally, the curriculum leaves out a great deal of things students should know about their country (such as the Trail of Tears).
Kidbeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just have a coke then.
Ninjamoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in high school, I took the bus to school. One day we got a new bus driver, a white guy probably in his 50s. I don't know if he brought his own music player or what, but he was playing this song : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6tK2lYLiu0E
Awful words but it's so damn catchy
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that a real thing people were trying to get done in the like 1840s?
Hootbag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can imagine...
Gets off the ship. "Freetown - WTF? I was born in Trinidad!"
That's the result of media fear mongering and the DNC campaign to bash Trump... Sad. I guess we are all exposed to it. They are even astroturfing on reddit, Twitter, Instagram etc. Check out the Barrier Breaker 2016 project and look up the definition of astroturfing on Wikipedia.
Yep, my niece is in 3rd grade and biracial and one of her white classmates told her that when Trump becomes President, she and other people "like her" were going to be made slaves again. I'm sure his parents are a treat.
This is super off topic here, but somewhat related I guess? I had a government teacher named Mr. Adams in high school that in hindsight was amazing. I was in the class during the year of the Obama McCain election, which made things very interesting to say the least, and made such a great hands on learning experience that year. But by the end of the year and the end of the election, I STILL couldn't tell you whether Mr. Adams was a Democrat or a Republican or ANYTHING. He was an avid hunter which makes you think Rep, but some of his more heated discussions and topics made me question that entirely namely an unbending belief in separation of church and state. I even questioned other students on the grades they received, comparing that and the teachers notes on their individual opinions. He offered compliments and criticism equally on either side! I tried VERY hard to figure out what he was and he would never answer directly, instead he asked what you thought he was and thwarted every claim with a counter claim. I think it was very admirable remaining outwardly neutral and forcing the students to think for themselves. One of the best teachers in that ridiculously stupid school.
EDIT: haha! Mr. Adams was the name of my teacher! I changed things to make that more clear. Also I added a few other minor details. I'm so glad you guys know your past presidents so well! So far none of you have guessed the right school (whew! I'm still anonymous!) It is a southwest Ohio school, sorry to disappoint anyone.
If I HAD to guess his position, I would guess the same as most of you guessed, libertarian. But even then it's just a guess and doesn't quite seem to fit. I honestly think he was partyless, and he chose candidates based on how well they followed his interpretation of our historical documents. If I ever run into him I will beg him to tell me, I beleive he is retired now, so maybe I can wrest an opinion out of him.
Edit 2: I did what some one suggested and looked him up in the public voter registry! He has since moved from the area and I have no clue what county he would reside in now. I got my hopes up... and now they're crushed. The mystery lives on.
I had a teacher like this as well. He was very good at playing the Devils Advocate and nobody knew whether he was a republican or Democrat. He always told us that once we graduated, if we brought him a Diet Coke and sat and talked with him for a while he would tell us
My government teacher is currently pulling this stuff. I'm pretty sure I've got him pegged as a very moderate Republican who believes in bipartisanship. He also drinks six Diet Mountain Dews a day, so I'm not sure what I could buy him to get the truth...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:20:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have diabetes, and he obviously won't get it from drinking sugar free soda. He actually needs all the caffeine, I think he's narcoleptic or something. (And the effects of aspartame are greatly exaggerated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf82FfX-wuU)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher like that as well! The difference is that he eventually did reveal that he was a libertarian, but as our us history teacher he was always dedicated to remaining neutral.
Bamlet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
prodmerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like the US bipartisan system is retarded and people should vote based on the issues that the candidates promise to address instead of their party affiliation.
Nah,thatcan'tbe.
allonzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about your teacher but taking a butt load of philosophy classes prepare you for playing Devils advocate. I used to volunteer for the We the people program, where high school kids participate in mock hearings to talk about civic issues. This was back during the Obama vs Romney elections. I was told never to talk politics so I never did. Whenever we talked about any issues, I always focused in on the historical background and gave details from both sides. The kids actually thought I was crazy for defending Westboro Church for a while.
I have a teacher who thinks she's very good at hiding her political opinions, and thinks she's good at playing devils advocate, but she really, really, really isn't.
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Any-sao ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My government teacher said the same as well (although it was end-semester, not graduating). He stumped the whole class... 'Cept me. I knew he was a Democrat from day one. And to prove it to the class, whenever he tried hard to be Devils Advocate, I would ask him a question that would push him into the corner. Just picking up on small things.
For example, he made us watch the Obama versus Romney Epic Rap Battle. I looked at the questions on the worksheet we were meant to answer, and I knew who he was voting for immediately. I guess my government teacher just isn't as good as yours.
My history teacher this year is the only history teacher I've had who I can't tell if he's a Democrat or Republican. Last year my APUSH teacher was great but I could still tell slightly tell that he was slightly Democratic. The other APUSH and AP Gov. teacher at my school is hardcore Democratic, and being in a more Republican area in a hardcore Democratic state lots of parents and kids complain to the school about it.
My APUSH teacher was very much a Republican, not surprising considering where I live. The problem was there were only 3 or 4 liberals in the class of 20 students, so whenever he tried to start a political debate it went nowhere because no one wanted to debate against the entire class including the teacher.
That was my situation in most classes in Mississippi. Whenever a debate came up about either religion or politics I would keep my mouth shut because I still had to deal with these people for a few years, and it's impossible to debate an entire class of rabid conservatives who only know what their parents tell them(trust me, these are not the kind of kids to do their own research) no matter how valid your points are. Now I could do it in my AP classes where the liberal-conservative ratio was more equal, but never in my regular classes.
Principal: "Darrel, I got another complaint from a parent. You have to stop pushing the liberal agenda on your students."
Teacher: "Oh, you mean another guy who works down at the chicken plant thinks he knows more than someone who spent six years studying politics?"
Principal: "Look, I don't want to get into this again, just stop telling your kids liberal stuff."
Teacher: "Well if I can't talk about liberal issues, then I can't talk about conservative issues either, from fairness. Now you have a social studies teacher who can't talk about 98% of American politics in an American history course."
Principal: "Are you threatening to quit your job?"
Teacher: "I think technically you just let a parent fire me because he doesn't like Mexicans."
Teacher sounds like an idiot. You absolutely can teach politics without influencing either side. How about teaching the kids critical thinking instead of telling them what to think? What a new concept!
What a great teacher. Teach about both sides, good points and bad points and let the students puzzle it out. I had a history teacher that was like that. We had classroom discussions every week about various poignant topics and they were always interesting, and he would deliberately play devil's advocate even when he agreed with a person just to foment discussion and make someone see another POV.
I wonder if there are many historians who are libertarians. IMO western industrial history is the best argument against libertarianism.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One could also make the argument that Western industrial history is a great argument for libertarianism. Americans are still reaping the rewards of unregulated free market capitalism, it is the main reason our economy is the dominant one on the planet.
To answer your question, Murray Rothbard is probably one of the better known libertarian historians.
You're telling me that if I don't think Gary Johnson or Jill Stein are more fit for the Presidency than Hillary Clinton, I'm dumb and playing into the pockets of big business?
You might not like either major candidate this year, but it absolutely is possible for someone to not agree with you and not be uninformed.
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:25:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That has a chance of being President? Absolutely. Look, I honestly agree with Hillary Clinton on a lot when I read through her policy on her site. Maybe you can't believe that, but I'd have to actively look hard for very specific pieces of it that I might not fully agree with.
Is it unfortunate that our voting system naturally causes two parties? Yes. But you really are spoiling the election against yourself to go third party/independent within it. If we had ranked voting, maybe Clinton wouldn't be at the very top of my ballot. Who knows who the candidates would even be in that world. But I'm living in the political reality of the US and operating within it.
olieks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:07:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During an election, if they're not in a swing state, they'll often vote 3rd party. If they're in a swing state, they'll pinch their nose and vote for a Democrat or a Republican.
they already commented on the importance of not splitting the vote in the OP, why are you making this fuss?
Sdffcnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
False dichotomy. Also, good job saying libertarian without using the word. JOHNSON 2016!
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Sdffcnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both are correct.
Not if you know what dilemma means. If you want to redefine words or trust folks who edit Wikipedia and redefine words all willy nilly, then they and only then they may be.
Also, I could be talking about many other parties...
The libertarian party is the best party. Also, learn to take a joke.
I explained on another comment, I'm a hunter also. However I'm not committed to either party, or at least I try not to be. I TRY to maintain neutrality and just elect based on facts, numbers, and campaign arguing points. Statistically, AND based on the local demographic of the town I was talking about, it would be safe to guess a hunter is also a Republican.
Yeah, that was my first reaction too - "what does being a hunter have to do with being a Republican?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue that hunters are probably more likely to be liberal. They get lumped in with the gun nuts by most folk, but the gun nuts hate hunters since they are generally far less resistant to gun control measures. I mean shit, why would I need a 30+ round auto to take down an elk with one shot?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is a 30+ round auto?
Do you mean an automatic gun that has a magazine size of 30 rounds?
Do you mean a 30 caliber or larger self loader?
Fully automatics are legal, but require a special tax stamp, a wait list, and cost tens of thousands of dollars and no one is commiting crimes with them.
Semi automatics are 1 trigger pull is 1 bullet. Also magazine sizes are super variable. A rifle that can hold a 5 round magazine can also handle a 30+ round magazine.
With pistols this is more tricky. the magazine must always be the length of the grip, or you're going to have a weird gun. Impose a 3 round limit if you want, but because the magazines must be the length of the grip people can still easily modify them to hold more rounds. Currently most manufacturers making smaller magazines for certain states just put in a rivet that can be drilled out in a second or two. It just makes a new law that a criminal will break anyway.
As both a hunter and firearm enthusiast any bit of legislation in one direction threatens another little step, then another until my hobbies are gone. That's why any new laws are pretty hard line opposed by the community IMHO.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm from Michigan, lots of hunting Democrats here! One of my closest friends is a gay democract and an avid deer and duck hunter. He works in the arts too. Drove a pickup truck for a while. That's my America, everyone can be anything.
Idk about where you live but I can just look up how people are registered through my local board of elections. If you just type in the persons name all their info comes up and when they voted
I mean... just based on the initial wording of that, it's rather confusing...
Like, "a right to hunt" made me initially think people are trying to supercede any hunting regulations, but what it said further down looks like it's intending to preserve the environment, so that future generations can hunt..?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's intentionally vague to make pro environmentalists think it's ok. Putting hunting rights into the Indiana constitution is mega retarded
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:17:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them are. My uncle is a rabid Trump supporter and he has also spent tremendous amounts of money on useless land to preserve the local wildlife.
You're never going to agree with one side on everything, you have to pick the issues you care about the most.
That's the exact opposite of reality, as almost every hunter and fisherman is very pro-environment. The problem is they may disagree with the manner in which we protect the environment, think the EPA is a mess (kinda true), or have other more nuanced positions. But those hunting and fishing licenses go towards helping the environment.
299314 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:55:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many hunters do far more work for the environment than any city-dwelling liberal I know. And they'll support preservation of land and wildlife out of pure self interest if nothing else. Of course there's also total bubbas with balls hanging off their pickup truck, no stereotype fits everyone.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:42:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many, if not most are. Teddy Roosevelt was a major force for the national parks partly on such a basis.
Most _____ would be _____ if they studied policies, but most don't give enough of a fuck.
You can fill in the blanks with pretty much anything and you can find someone that avidly believes it. I know it's hard to believe but not everyone believes in the same solutions even if they all agree on the problem.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:11:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's either go with the party that a lot of whom are not concerned about the environment or go with the party that might restrict or even outright ban guns, so it's not a win either way. You just vote for whichever is least likely to ban guns or destroy the environment I guess.
I'm a very big advocate for adults taking that stance with kids too. That's how I was raised. I'd hear my mom refer to democrats and republicans all the time and when if ask her what the words meant she'd say "you'll have to look it up if you wanna know." As I got older, obviously it was clear that she was liberal but still.
I also had a civics teacher in 8th grade who would always encourage me when I'd get into political arguments with other kids. My arguments would always be in defense for liberals so it was surprising to find out later in life that he was a conservative. I found it admirable that he'd encourage me even tho his opinions were different.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the class during the year of the Obama McCain election, which made things very interesting to say the least.
I'm in gov right now... It's interesting, that's for sure.
We had a government teacher in high school very much like this. He encouraged all students to research third party candidates and see who they agree with and disagree with. Very nice guy
This is copy and pasted from another comment I made: I explained on another comment, I'm a hunter also. However I'm not committed to either party, or at least I try not to be. I TRY to maintain neutrality and just elect based on facts, numbers, and campaign arguing points. Statistically, AND based on the local demographic of the town I was talking about, it would be safe to guess a hunter is also a Republican.
This is the best kind of teacher. Those who don't try to force their opinion on their students, but instead teach them the facts and expose them to the opinions of both sides. This allows the students to form their own political identity based on their own ideas and not just falling to one side or the other without any real understanding of why.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a Civics teacher just like this in college. He was dope. We had a lot of really good discussions over Supreme Court cases in that class. Whenever the class started to become one sided on an issue he seemed to know exactly what to say to divide us up again.
Did you go to Fayetteville high school in Arkansas? I had a Mr. Adams in high school who is exactly what you described. I remember one time he got on a soap box about how to interact with cops (he used to be a cop if I remember correctly *Edit: not a cop, I believe he was a lawyer), and it was awesome practical advise. I didn't always agree with his views, but I definitely respected that man.
That is how a teacher should be! It pissed me off in high school because my teacher was so fucking hell-bent on talking shit about push and the political machine and all that crap. She wore dreads and all to complete the stereotype.
It was all her opinion and only her facts. No refuting it. I could never try to have a middle ground discussion or inquire about the liberal side without getting a biased answer. Anything against her views was banned for the most part from being talked about.
I remember being pissed because my HS Gov teacher gave me a C on an 'opinion' paper. I figured it was because my opinion didn't agree with hers (it was pro-death penalty, since she marked my paper all up with corrections and rebuttals to my perfectly reasonable responses.
Looking back, I realize she marked it up because it was clear I didn't do my research, because if I had I would not have been able to defend my position.
Best kind of teacher. I think it's kinda fucked up for a teacher to express his or her own political beliefs to a room filled with kids who see that person as the knowledgeable one who is teaching them the "right" way. Politics are so gray that it's impossible for there to ever be a correct answer to something. The only correct way to teach politics is to be utterly neutral.
I'm a social studies teacher and I try to do this. With this election I initially would just talk about how bad both were but honestly it's impossible now to defend anything about Trump. I have just given up. We are learning about Facism and a student, who is am extremely conservative redneck type, popped up and said " that sounds a lot like Trump....." Then he just stared off into space. I could tell this was a moment of enlightenment for him haha.
My government and US history teachers were next door to each other and were political opposites, and they would visit each others classes to give opposing views on current topics
I'm a bio major, and so out of all the years I've studied science, I've only ever had one teacher that was like that. He was 100% neutral when it came to ANY controversial science-relate topics.
I'm in a World Geo class to a bunch of seniors, but he used to teach government, so it turns to a government class discussion a lot.
I cannot tell you with any certainty whatsoever which way he even leans towards.
Frictus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I majored in environmental science in college. It was funny that half our teachers were dem and very vocal about it (climate change is real, don't let the republicans tell you otherwise) while the other half were avid hunters and very repub. Very different opinions and unfortunately they were both very vocal.
nocimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took me too long to realize that Mr. Adams was your teacher, and that you weren't talking about either President Adams
Sounds like a smart guy, he was probably generally fed up with 2 party politics
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher very similar to this, but during a sociology course I had with him I was able to break him, he is so republican. I live in a small town, the kind where every girl who doesn't know what to do ends up working at a great clips, and there are just too many trucks. Because of this, most people think the same, and the school system isn't the greatest, but could be way worse. There's just no reason or drive for free thought. So take this, a class full of honor students, and then me, a kid who could be an honor student but just doesn't give a shit. It's controversial topic time, and students stand on a certain side of the room depending on their opinions on gay marriage (this was 2014.)
Now the ratio of "Fuck gays" to "What the fuck ever people can do what they want" would make you hate my school, and it was pissing me off. Finally some dumb bitch says "Well if two women can't have a baby together I don't think they should be allowed to marry." and that's when I saw the opportunity to do some damage. You see, my teacher's wife teaches math classes in the same building, and because of this I know that she's infertile. No kids, impossible for her to give birth. So my reply of "Well I guess Mr. X should find a new wife then!" did not end in me being punished, but him standing with the 75 percent of my class that are homophobic shits trying to take me down.
My government teacher defined a "liberal" as someone who wants violent revolution against the social order and then tried to claim George Washington was a conservative.
I was in 10th grade during '08 and my history teacher told us Obama was a practicing Muslim. My school overall was good though. Can we switch memories?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm jealous. My govt teacher in high school was crap. He literally told us to goto sleep if we don't want to listen, then he went into random tangents
My civics teacher was like that. I asked him after I graduated, and he said he was registered Republican for about 10 years but had recently registered independent. He said he usually tends to vote libertarian if they have a candidate (like in state and local elections), but other than that he splits between Republican and Democrat fairly evenly. He also said he had never once voted Democrat or Republican for president. Usually, he'll go Constitution party or Libertarian for that.
He was fun in class, too. He would have one or two "filibuster Fridays" a month. Basically a kid could go up and start talking about anything they wanted. If they stopped talking for more than 10 seconds, filibuster Friday was over and we started a new lesson. We were, of course, able to tag out. My class never had a problem with it. The rules were what you were talking about had to at least make sense. No reading from any books. If you had a poem memorized you could do something like that.
Fridays were always reserved for a special topic. We would have normal lessons from the textbook on Monday through Thursday, but on Friday we would have special stuff. I remember like three in a row, we talked about the UK's government.
Yessir. Also, it gave Coach C a pass on a lesson once or twice a month. Though I heard from the guys in one of his other classes and apparently he had at least one lesson on deck for when people failed to keep the filibuster going.
My freshmen year was during the 2004 election and I had a government teacher who was the same. Refused to tell us who he was voting for and gave no indication throughout the semester.
Since I was 14 and had no interest in being involved in the Bush vs Kerry discussions some of my friends had, my best friend and I were on the record as Nader supporters.
I had a university professor like that. I still to this day can't figure out where he falls on the political scale. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't vote at all and just believes in dictators. He was a history professor and I think he had no faith in the Democratic Process. I know he lived and taught in New Orleans during Katrina and he would often talk about the effects Katrina had on the area, He'd mock George W, He'd mock Obama. He'd bring up people with enigmatic personalities like Hitler or William Aberhart, and just talk for days about how they were leaders of people. Every class was always interesting and in the 3 classes I took with this guy in 2 years I learned more about the world and why things are the way they are then in the rest of my 25 years of life combined. Also I'm Canadian and I went to university in Canada.
What if youve still missed his point, I don't think he wanted you to pick your own team, I think he wanted to illustrate his view couldn't be marginalized into one of two 'sides' and a bi partisan system is widely under representative of the variety of collections of beliefs we are each capable of.
My government teacher was just like that. Apparently if you wanted, you could have a sit down with her and she would explain all of her political beliefs, but would also argue why people would disagree with her beliefs.
I had a teacher just like that. He was SO insightful, I really wish I could just go back and randomly hit him up and discuss politics. He's such a sarcastic cynical guy, I'd love to watch him facepalm about the current election cycle.
pac_pac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, I'm not sure I remember a Mr. Adams, but I definitely went to a southwest Ohio high school.
You know you can figure this out on your own with very little information about Mr. Adams, right? At least in my state you can. Even if they're not enrolled in a party, it'll tell you that, with only the name, zip, and birthdate. Google "am I registered to vote" with your state at the end and let us all know!
NOOOOOOOOO! HE MUST HAVE MOVED! There is no one registered in either county close to where he lived. Noooooo! This is worse than that "what's in the safe" post.
In my experience, unfortunately, no. Most were outspoken and would hit you in the face with it given any opportunity. I don't think it's that uncommon.
Shiftz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does a repub have to disagree with separation of church and state? I lean right slightly due to my economic belief and I agree with separation of church and state.
I had an Intro to World Religions teacher in college that was the same way. Some super churchy girls would like to interrupt the class regularly by saying God wouldn't allow this or that, or how some thing someone is talking about shouldn't talked about because it's an abomination of God or some shit. But he would shut them down quickly with counter-arguments. Then when someone would get all preachy with atheist bullshit, he's shut THEM down with counter arguments as well.
Nope, Southwest Ohio! There have been several other people, and one other from NC for certain, that mentioned a second awesome gov't teacher by the name of Mr. Adams!
Had the opposite for my US history, he was still real cool and taught us what we needed to learn perfectly but when it came to projects he began to show his true side. At one point he decided to split up the class for a little "debate".... on abortion. Now realize, this is taking place in a small town in Texas in the bible belt, what do you think happened?
So the "debate" was really 85% of the class on one side of the room with the rest on the other side. Most of them my friends and a few women who actually had kids. The "debate" started off with our teacher playing two videos that were anti-abortion and pro-abortion. The anti-abortion video was around 5 minutes long and the pro-abortion was around 2 minutes... this is where I could tell the teacher was not being fair here.
So, while people on the pro side cited several Bible verses and people on the anti side tried to come up with an argument with what they had (He kind of just put this on us suddenly) and I just kind of sat there slinked back in my chair trying to retain any cool I had left. I had nothing to say and I really couldn't say anything. It doesn't affect me anymore but back then after that happened I always ran it back in my head thinking of how I could add to the argument.
Anyway, your comment reminded me of how a teacher can go from neutral to straight up hard right.
That's really disappointing. Politics are SO complex. It's easy to say that all involved should be more open minded but then that presents problems of its own. I try to stay as neutral as I can but even so I'm pretty immovable on certain topics. However, I WILL ALWAYS listen to and consider new information. At least your teacher got the basic workings into you guys, so you got that going for you, which is nice. Lol.
Oh yeah, he was perfect when it came to explaining certain subjects in an entertaining detail and overall making everyone interested in his lectures. He's that type of teacher where he would give a student extra points on a test if one of his lectures went on for more than 30 minutes; his explanation being that, "Most students stop listening after 30 minutes for most lectures."
It's just every project he brought up was garbage like "Create a bill" where you had to make a bill, explain it to the class and then get over 50% of the classes signatures to pass it. The only part that wasn't so great is that he made it to where if you didn't get your bill passed then you failed that project and also if you signed a bill that failed then you get 5 points taken from your grade for that project so there was a reason to not just sign every bill. Btw, at least 50% of those bills were drum roll ANTI-ABORTION BILLS!... yippee.
So pretty much everyone was guilt tripped into signing those bills while everyone else suffered. I made one about Anti-SOPA but that was at the time where it wasn't popular to the public and everyone was more interested in fishing, hunting and apparently anti-abortion... it was a weird year. One last thing I want to add to that project is that sitting through around 20 minutes of high school students talk about the cons of abortion is the most soul tearing and boring experience I remember from high school. It's so bad I think my brain blocked out everything from the speeches they brought up.
How well informed high schoolers are (including myself at that age) is so embarassing. And they're all still struggling with their self image and figuring out who they are under everyone else's scrutiny. It is the worst time in your life to try and form important life changing potentially permanent opinions like these.
Most of these opinions are just coming from the parents or the place they were grown up in. I once get a weird look from a group I was supposed to work with (Yes, same class) when I said I didn't mind what hair style a woman has. I believe the assignment was to do these little mini-arguments from a list of questions that he handed out but most people just went the route of "We kind of almost all agree on this point to some extent, yes? Okay, move on." so I never really got my two cents out on some of the questions but they were all relatively tame from what we deal with today. But that hair one still gets me but one of them that REALLY gets me is the "Execution Debate."
Holy shit, this one still haunts me to this day just thinking of ways I could influence these psychos to not kill people. Now I know what you are thinking, "Texas and executions? Pfft, what's new?" No, this was very different. The class had to vote on a topic that we would debate on and one of the most extreme topics in my opinion was this; when a murder is guilty of a crime they will be executed the way that they killed their victim(s). A extremely large handful of classmates AGREED TO THIS LAW!
My mind thought it all through and all the extremely dumb flaws and gruesome accidents and incidents that could happen with a law like this and no matter how much some of us brought up that this was extremely stupid and weird law and all the flaws to it the supporters didn't even care.
BTW, I can't believe I told yet another story from this class. I never really realized how flawed this class really was until I began venting it out.
I had a teacher like that was well, I was very interested in knowing what he voted for but I never manageg to figure it out. He was one of the best teachers I've had as well.
I grew up in Louisiana but was in gifted education classes all through high school. By junior year (2007-08) most of us did realize that we were all pretty liberal. And our American history teacher, she was great, but Republican as they can be. We would all banter back and forth with her everyday. It was definitely entertaining to be going through the primaries in her class.
My history teacher last year was like that, but I always felt like he leant liberal. Then we learned that he helped Sanders campaign for local office in Vermont a while back, so that was a giveaway.
Late to the party, but I had a professor that was a high school teacher prior to getting his doctorate. When he taught in high school he was the faculty sponsor for the Young Republicans and Young Democrats. He would have them guess which he was at the end of the year, and said that most of them wouldn't get it right.
I had a teacher like that in our "religion" subject in school (ages about 16+ highest school(no university) "degree" (sorry i dont know the fitting word) in germany)
He talked about everything equally, criticised all and made his pupils think about it.
He didnt focus on the abrahamitian religions but talked about, atheism, pantheism, buddhims, sikhism, nature religions, agnosticism and so many more i cant even recount them all.
He was one of the best teachers i ever had, because he made you think about every aspects and consider every pro and con and he never said if he was christian, muslim, atheist or whatever:
Teachers like that are the ones that should be hailed as the top of their profession, maybe then some would follow in their steps instead of forcing their vies onto their pupils :(
nun_gut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL! Uh....no! I live in California where 90% of teachers are Democrats and most of them have no problems with imposing their views on us. This teacher sounds more libertarian than either party.
God, I wish my gov teacher was like that. He's unapologetically conservative, and it definitely leaks into his class. He assigns articles about how democrats don't actually want to help people, they just want poor people's votes for money. Also things about how gay rights are oppressing religious freedom. The worst part is is that this is a small town, so these already ignorant, redneck kids (think, "your mom is your dad's cousin" type thing) totally buy into it. It's so gross.
KTDid95 ยท 8655 points ยท Posted at 15:20:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
6th grade student insisted that I can't vote for Hilary because, and I quote, "She supports SHARIKA law." I'm not sure what Sharika law is, but she was pretty stressed about it.
Edit: Ladies and gentlemen, I am fully aware of what Sharia Law is. I was simply making fun a small child's inability to pronounce and understand complicated political agendas.
Shakira has been playing dumb? She speaks multiple languages, has her own philanthropic organizations, has sold 70 million units world-wide, has a net worth in excess of 200 million, and has won 2 Grammys.
I wanna be THAT kind of dumb.
closest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She also has a high IQ.
Eletheo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
False reports. Google it.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:10:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
We should have seen how crazy she is, but I guess we liked it.
She literally sang a song whose lyrics included the lines "And I'm crazy, but you like it (loca, loca, loca) / You like that it ain't easy (loca, loca, loca) / I'm crazy but you like it (loca, loca, loca) / Crazy but you like it", you uneducated pleb! I'm sick and tired of the mainstream media hiding stories that they don't want the public to see! #shakiraislocalocaloca!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes? She's singing about another woman and describing her as playing dumb. But when she sings about herself, she describes herself as loca (loca loca).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give the kid a break -- she just mispronounced "Shakira." When Hillary is president, an executive order will force everyone to listen to Colombian pop music.
stripey ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, as campaign promises go that's pretty good
DireBoar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I, for one, welcome our new cumbia overlords.
tack50 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:02:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention her football player boyfriend is pretty notorious for being a fierce defender of Catalonia's independence, yet he plays on Spain's national team >.<
JSBraga ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:49:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when Cataluรฑa gets its independence, Catalunian players will play in Catalunian national team. Everybody in Piquรฉ's situation does the exact same.
Also, that has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:59:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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JSBraga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they were to retain their Spanish nationality maybe only the pro-independence like Piquรฉ would play in the hypothetical Catalonian team
Also Piquรฉ in particular is notorious for being independentist and talking shit about Spain while representing it on international events. That seems a bit hypocritical to me
JSBraga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's his chance of playing international NT football and Spain gets to have one of the best defenders in the world. It's a win-win situation. And he IS spanish. He prefers to be catalรกn of nationality. He's fighting to be. But he IS spanish, like it or not.
I honestly don't see the problem. He wants the world to have an independent Cataluรฑa, but the world isn't always like we want it to be and he knows it.
I certainly wouldn't play to represent a country I disrespect, it's like say you represented Saudi Arabia because you were Saudi born (I say this without knowing anything about you or your political views, but I think you'll get the point)
JSBraga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:44 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(I say this without knowing anything about you or your political views, but I think you'll get the point)
First of all, no worries, it was a good compairson.
Nothing is just black or just white. If Piquรฉ feels like he should represent the country he was born at or not only depends on him. Only he knows how much he respects Spain. And even if he hates the government or the way the country behaves, it still doesn't mean he shouldn't represent.
Bottomline: He is eligible to play; If he should play or not, that's on his conscience alone. If he feels he's not being a hypocrite, he must have his reasons. Only he knows how he feels.
I'd settle for a Colombian bride. Beautiful women in Colombia.
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'd be ok with that.
kuavi ยท 264 points ยท Posted at 15:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My only guess is that she's talking about a video she saw. I saw this one video where a fake reporter as a social experiment went around to supposedly Clinton supporters and said that Hillary was in favor of Sharia law and if they supported that. Many said yes but who knows if they are legitimate clinton supporters or not.
Al those videos show is that people are reluctant to ask questions, want to appear intelligent, and feel that having any opinion is better than saying,"I don't know".
I've seen them for both major parties and green and libertarian.
It's a fun watch and makes you feel smart and corroborates your ideas of the "others" being buffoons, but it's just human nature, not political at all.
I mean, it also doesn't help that they pick and choose the parts of the video they show, and edit out anyone (probably a decent number) who actually did know.
This. I wish someone would do videos like this, but actually show some of the ones where people got it right. Or at least keep a tally of who got it right and show it at the end.
Yeah. I used to be horrified by those sketches Jay Leno would do...I forget what he called them, but he'd interview people on the street and ask simple questions, and just get the dumbest responses. I honestly feared for the future of the human race when I was a kid because of it.
Then I realized it's a comedy show, and the funny/absurd ones are obviously being cherry picked, because it's not entertaining to watch someone answer "what's the capital of New York?" with "Albany" six times.
Or you know that the people posting the video specifically picked out the idiots and not the smart responses. I always wonder who's dumber the people on the video or the ones that believe it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention all the people that just stare at the reporter and ask "are you fucking retarded?", which is to say, 90% of them, are not shown.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah those videos are funny as hell but I always feel bad for the folks (except the gregarious ones.)
However, there is this girl from my home town who I got to know fairly well because she and my a friend of mine spent a lot of time together. She was (they hung out around 2000) very dislikable in my opinion. Flash forward to about six months ago and a local news station in the town we all live in now was walking around asking people to identify Joe Biden. She couldn't do it!
Ask the same stupid question to enough people, and eventually a few will answer it. Edit those few together and claim that's what everybody in the opposition said, and mock their stupidity. It's basic propaganda 101.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish more people realized this. So many facebook friends posting videos of "the other guys" saying stupid things, but it works for any group of people.
On the Man Show, they had women sign a petition to end women's suffrage. People are really really REALLY stupid, and never ask questions because they're deathly afraid of other people thinking they are stupid.
Don't watch that one video on youtube about politics. You know the one where the candidate is a reptilian shapeshifter muslim feminist rapist right-wing left-wing racist sjw that's subversively endorsing the new world order of small government.
Then you get trapped into 'that section' of youtube. You'll lose an IQ for every video you watch.
Was the fake reporter on camera when asking this question? Because otherwise they could ask any question that elicits a "yes" response and later dub in this one. It's supposedly a common trick used in this type of video.
kuavi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but the clinton supporters could have been fake.
You ask 100 people, tape their response, and then edit out the 98 people who said something even just moderately reasonable. The remaining 2 people said something outrageous, because 1) they didn't understand the question, 2) they wanted to be funny, or 3) they truly are crazy.
fuckitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do you happen to have a link? That sounds hilarious.
kuavi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuckitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dear god hahahahahhaahha. Thank you!
AustinCT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well a lot of people think the Obama administration and by extension Hillary Clinton are sympathetic to or at least passive in regards to Islamism and Sharia Law and if we're really getting into conspiracy territory Islamic terrorism itself, with the whole Syrian conflict a proxy war for Saudi oil pipelines and just the overall policy the administration has of dictator disposing/nation building in the Middle East, also looking at what's happening in Europe with the refugee crisis and the rise in violent crimes and overall Islamic extremist activity/terrorism and knowing that Hillary wants a 500% increase in refugees when half want Sharia Law- basically if this 6th grader listens to her parents talk politics I can see how she can make the jump from Hillary Clinton to Sharkia aka Sharia Law.
Plus, Trump has been claiming that Clinton and Obama started ISIS. At first I thought he was just being metaphorical (since Americas policies for the last few decades did create the environment allowing it to form), but no, he actually believes that Obama literally is the personal founder of ISIS.
AustinCT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure your first assumption was right, because he is being metaphorical. He's talking about exactly what you said, and how the way we fought and left Iraq created a power vacuum etc etc
His later comments made it quite clear that he meant it literally. In fact shortly after the initial statement a reporter actually asked if it was a metaphor, and Trump explicitly confirmed that it was meant literally
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."
Trump objected. "No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
AustinCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's odd because he constantly talks about the power vacuum and our failed foreign policy and our ties to Saudi oil and this country and that country, but maybe he really does at least partially subscribe to the idea that by funding rebels in Syria and supporting that in our fight against Assad and Russia we literally well Obama and Clinton literally created ISUS and our plan turned on us?
Because little kids don't get their political biases from paying close attention to the news and forming evidence based opinions. They parrot whatever their parents talk about or tell them. This has been proven...but go ahead and believe she actually researched it and saw Hilary Clinton talking about sharia law and had any idea that was important.
Me and my friend have a joke very similar to this where we scream and yell about "cherry flavored" law and how it will be terrible if cherry flavored law comes about.
ixora7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, did you just characterize sharia as a political agenda, rather than a righteous and arcane religious tenet followed by aggrieved minorities? You're getting dangerously close to hate speech, my friend. May you elude imam Merkel's gaze.
In high school I said "I don't like Hillary because she is a war hog!" and my teacher looked at me and said "Did you just say war hog?"
That was the day I realized the term was war hawk. I want to crawl under the table every time I think about it.
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KTDid95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Even if they knew what it meant, I'm not really supposed to discuss political opinions with students. Also, it was about a minute before the bell rang, so I didn't want to confuse her any further with unexplained questions.
I'm concerned that a 6th grader doesn't grasp this stuff. I grew up watching the news though so maybe I'm weird...and it was a weird time. Watched the tower fall on the news in the 7th grade and grew up the rest of middle/highschool in the post 9/11 world
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Edit: Ladies and gentlemen, I am fully aware of what Sharia Law is. I was simply making fun a small child's inability to pronounce and understand complicated political agendas.
I've never understood these edits - I just looked at your replies and absolutely nobody told you what Sharia law is.
ukrm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
clearly she meant "shuriken" law. Hillary's plans to create a secret ninja police force are pretty scary honestly, and the fact that no one is taking it seriously is even scarier.
TurboNY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you telling your kids who you're voting for?
KTDid95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't. They asked me who I was voting for, and before I could even give them an answer they were telling me what they thought was best.
TurboNY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha no prob didnt mean to call you out
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She probably has crazy tea-party Fox News sheep parents. Or she found some such brain slush online. Infactual reporting should be made illegal.
KTDid95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Or at the very least, I should be able to, as their teacher, lead them towards more honest and reliable sources. Sadly, my school's policy is no political talk unless your the social studies teacher, and even then they are super limited with what they are allowed to talk about.
You can ask her what news channel she watches? That can be interpreted as not politically charged at all.
KTDid95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could, but then what would I do with that information? I can't tell her to watch a different one. I can't tell her if the one she watches is bad. I just wish teachers' hands weren't so tied when it comes to teaching controversy in the classroom. I don't want to teach my students how to vote. I just want to ensure that they get their political information from well cited and unbiased sources. Is it so bad for teachers to want their students to hold more informed, adult opinions? Guh! Drives me nuts!
Hahahahaha sharia law would never let a women run the country. But sure the women president nominee is for sharia law even though her whole platform is how she is a women. I get that it was merely a child. But kids don't come up with ideas like that. Her father or mother was stupid enough to say shit like that around their daughter.
I was simply making fun a small child's inability to pronounce and understand complicated political agendas.
Yeah? Well I bet your 6th graders make fun of their teacher's inability to understand complicated political agenda's too. Enjoy your sharia law once Hilary wins!
Let me ask you something: Have you ever actually read the Quran? Or done any research on the empire of Dar al-Islam? How about the early Ottomans? "at least [Christianity] doesn't incite violence and encourage murder to get into heaven" (paraphrased) Well, one, neither does Islam, and two, it could definitely be argued that Christianity does in fact promote violence and other human rights violations. And finally, Saudi government isn't all that closely based towards the Quran and actual Sharia law, nor are all of their laws therefore part of Sharia. And for that matter, Trump is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan but I'll bet you're quick to say he isn't racist.
nycola ยท 868 points ยท Posted at 16:38:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher - and not Trump/Clinton related, but politics nonetheless.
My 8 year old says to me the other day in the car, "Mom, I know a millionaire"
I ask, "Oh yeah? Who is that?"
He replies, "Katie McGinty! She's a millionaire who got rich from special interests and stealing from tax payers"
I said, "Is that good or bad?"
To which he replied, "its good for her I guess, but not for the people she stole from."
All of this was from a 30 second radio commercial he had heard on the bus.
As much as I didn't want to delve into politics with my 8 year old, I told him that people like Katie McGinty are politicians, and they help make laws of the country, similarly to the president, but they work with him. I then told him that a lot of bad people try to get those jobs and they tell a lot of lies to get them because they are very powerful jobs. I left it with "when you get older, just make sure you do your own research for politicians, and not just listen to what you hear on the radio, because they like to lie a lot.
His last line was "Why do we let people who lie a lot make our laws?"
Heart died a little there!
_pH_ ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 20:51:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His last line was "Why do we let people who lie a lot make our laws?"
My go to is, "because some people would rather believe a lie that makes them happy, than a truth that doesnt."
_pH_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Pratchett, rip.
That said, arguably there's a difference between a politician who says they'll e.g. close a tax loophole while being paid not to, and whether or not concepts like justice objectively exist or are lies we need to function as a society.
rouseco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We want to believe in the justice of the tax loophole being closed. It's the very fact we want to believe in justice that makes us manipulable.
Because being an honest politician is terrible. They pay isn't great, you are personally attacked and there will be very passionate people for and against most issues so you often just can't win. And no one wants to fund your campaign if there's no kickback for them. Without funding no one has heard of you so they don't even consider you.
However if you are willing to abuse the position it can payoff well.
So because of this and many other issues it's usually only liars running.
I'm a Pennsylvanian as well. I hate them too. I'm voting for McGinty, because I find Toomey reprehensible. I wish it had been Fetterman, though. I voted for John.
57001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every Pennsylvanian I meet hates Toomey. I'm glad we've all come to agree on it.
I love how these guys try to pretend they're not like Trump... but really is there a difference between saying "Lyin' Ted," "Little Marco," and "Crooked Hillary" and calling McGinty "Shady Katie"? I guess this is the new norm.
chaun2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grok no good! I vote Cheesy Crunch. They only look the same outwardly, and on 96% of issues, but that 4% makes difference! He share mammoth with his cave, not whole clan.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:50:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Why do we let people who lie a lot make our laws?"
"Because we're too lazy to vote, we would rather feel smugly superior about how we're better than people who care about things."
Drizen ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:58:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. I live in Australia where it is compulsory to vote and the people who make our laws are liars too
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If somebody has registered you and you don't vote, you get fined. My friends are pissed with me cause I never vote and never get fined. I just think it is completely useless and the entire system needs a change.
Drizen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood why people don't want to vote. It's not hard, you can grab a sausage sandwich and a can of drink to help out your local P&C, and it gives you a right to complain when the incompetent jerk (see Abbott) you didn't vote for gets elected. If it's not compulsory, you get results like Brexit where what the majority of the country wants, doesn't happen because they are all to lazy to take half an hour out their busy lives to vote. Not to mention if you are really busy, there are other ways and times to vote.
TRAITOR TO DEMOCRACY!!
(sorry got carried away there....you're alright)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I could go ahead and cast a vote for old joe who works at the bakery then I would go out of my way to vote.
I am not signing up to a system where I have to pick between already chosen candidates.
Drizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that but I also can't stand the thought of people making the decision for me, especially when I read in the paper today that the popularity of One Nation has soared since the election
Drizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If we can't provide a valid reason, we are fined $20 (I think it should be more) and if we don't pay that fine, it is increased to $180 (+ court fees) and if we don't pay that, we can lose our license to drive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
compulsory if you have been registered to vote.
FTFY
Drizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, it's compulsory to register too, there's just no way to monitor it (supposedly)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds right and considering I haven't received a fine in the 6 years I've avoided it I don't think it is being monitored.
Drizen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I highly doubt you will receive a fine if you aren't registered. You should register and vote though...even if it's just for the sense of community and the sausage sangas
Because the special interest groups who run the lamestream media constantly shit propaganda down our throats and we're supposed to obey like good little dogs and vote for the establishment. Thankfully, the rise in support for Sanders and third party candidates amongst the younger generations shows that this is going to change.
"Why do we let people who lie a lot make our laws?"
We allow into law propaganda, then let a person pay millions and millions of dollars into online propaganda machines to "correct the record" a la Stalin adjusting history to fit with the current politician who is owed their rulership, because to speak out against them is asking for suicide by bullet to the back of the head from 10 paces, or a harsh drop workout at the gym with no spotter, or a wetwork pool party by the vineyard.
I don't know him, but I have a lot of respect for little man.
sibtalay ยท 11164 points ยท Posted at 15:59:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher. One day over the summer a couple neighborhood boys, maybe around 10 years old, came to my office. I have an office dog, so if it's slow they can hang out for a bit. One of them asked me who I was going to vote for. I said I don't know yet.
Boy 1: "Well I want Trump to win."
Boy 2: "No way! He was to send our friends back to Mexico!"
Anozir ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 18:20:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda funny how this parallels people against gay marriage until they know someone who's gay
[deleted] ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 23:01:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why people need to be exposed to as many different types of people as possible. Humanity is generally not empathetic to those they do not know. That's also why most larger cities tend towards the liberal side, whereas out in the middle of nowhere, in the small towns of nothing but 100 matching people, you will find more of all the -isms. Exposure is key.
They're ten meaning their brains aren't even close to fully developed yet, so I think they can be excused for not fully comprehending an abstract idea unless they can put it in concrete terms they can relate to. Adults who think this way on the other hand......
That's only for children born of illegal aliens. His ban on Muslims entering the country is not that different from what Jimmy Carter did. Ultimately he would probably not be able to ban Muslims, but would end up banning anyone from a list of predominantly muslim countries, which is fully constitutional and legal.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:12:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely justice to pull children out of the culture they were born and raised in and toss them into Mexico because of their parents. What makes you any more entitled to live here than them?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually way more fucked up to me. I feel like that's where the "he's one of the good ones" mentality comes from
llosa ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 18:40:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's strange and amazing to me how much everything in this thread sounds like a South Park reference
secsual ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:03:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Matt and Trey claim to have spent time actually thinking about how kids talk to each other. Their point being that it's often not as innocent as parents would like to believe. South Park is an extreme version of what's out there, so it should sound similar.
I think Trump has like one or two things that he really cares about and he makes up the rest of his policy as convenient. "People don't like the TPP? Well, I am going to be staunchly against it." Even the stuff he cares about are really just philosophies and aren't actual policies.
Adults of voting age see that life is not like what they were promised and so look to someone to blame in order to feel better about their circumstances. It's been that way for a long ass time and I doubt it's going to change anytime soon. That said it's a stupid ass though process that hurts society as a whole.
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rox0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:33:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants should be deported.
Are you suggesting that they aren't currently being deported? Did Obama put an end to ICE?
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. I'm suggesting that it is not stupid to want to stop illegal immigration and deport those who are here illegally.
In that case, you have nothing to worry about. We already deport illegal immigrants and have border controls. There isn't anything ground breaking here unless you are suggesting wasting billions of dollars doing something ridiculous about it.
rox0r ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:01:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You let me know when we decide to arrest all of the bankers that actually imploded the economy and really lead to all of the lost jobs. I'll wait.
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Sssgth ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:21:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Trump's pretty damn rich too. Why isn't he part of "the machine?"
VtArMs ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:24:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he only got a small loan of 1 million dollars
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are one of a few nations that have it and amending the constitution to change that would be a good thing.
We are one of a few (modern) nations that allows people to own assault rifles. I could compromise amending the constitution for "anchor babies" if we can also strike the 2nd amendment while we are at it. I don't want to fully change either one of those, but if that is what it takes, i'm willing to compromise. Are you?
You said it yourself when you called them anchor babies.
He's using a term you'll understand. I didn't realize that anchor babies is a massive problem in the US.
It doesn't make any sense to reward people for coming into the country illegally right before they give birth.
Just like it doesn't make any sense that nearly anyone can own an assault rifle.
Sssgth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it better to send 8-year-olds who don't know a lick of Spanish back to their "homeland?"
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I think going forward it would be better if the constitution were amended to include that one of your parents must be a legal citizen in order for you get birthright citizenship.
The millions of dollars it would cost to change this would heavily out weight the benefit of doing this. Why should we waste so much money on such a silly thing?
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants cost us billions of dollars a year.
You dodged the question. How much do "anchor babies" cost us? I'm not certain I believe that illegal immigrants are a terrible cost either (if they have fake SSNs they give free money to the gov't) but i'll let that go.
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I think going forward it would be better if the constitution were amended to include that one of your parents must be a legal citizen in order for you get birthright citizenship.
This above is where you are talking about so called "anchor babies" and amending the constitution -- something that would never pass anyway. It seems like a HUGE waste of money to attempt amending the constitution for this if you can't quantify the benefits.
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We don't even need an amendment either - the supreme court has never ruled on whether birthright citizenship applies to the children of illegal immigrants.
Now that would be judicial activism!
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. I don't think judicial activism is very common (or at all). I think ruling in the absence of an actual legal case would cross the line.
Sssgth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is against the law -- but it's gotten to the point where deporting them just isn't logical and frankly, a waste of time.
It's a problem -- but it's grown to be an 11 million+ people problem. Deporting just isn't a viable option.
In my opinion, blanket amnesty on every illegal immigrant here, easier path to citizenship/permanent residency, and a 1-2 grace period for the undocumented immigrants to register. Couple that with increased border security (not a silly wall) and I think the end result would be the only people who would actually be entering illegally would be those who we actually don't want.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well from what I understand, the biggest loophole is work visas. Very tired right now and don't feel like doing a lot of research, but I'm pretty sure around 70% or so (please correct me if this is wrong, I just remember hearing this number) of the illegal immigrants we have simply got a legal work visa and went off the radar when their visa expired. I think focusing on how to make that process more airtight and encourage people on work visas to remain on the grid and find better ways to penalize those who overstay their visit would be much more effective than a wall. Now, how would you enforce that and what kind of loopholes would you close? Not gonna lie, I have no idea. This isn't an area that I feel comfortable talking about since I don't know a lot about it.
If the "work visa loophole" or whatever you want to call it could be addressed, I think the illegal immigration problem as a whole would be greatly reduced.
You... you are aware of basic American history right? You know, Native Americans? And then Europeans just storming in and claiming the land is theirs all of a sudden? No...?
You ever stop to notice that WE'RE the original illegal immigrants?
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most other industrialized countries have free moving labor to go along with free trade which effectively solves almost all the problems free trade makes when used on its own... sooooo no... not exactly.
I mean, you realize you're just straight up imposing foreign laws and ways of thinking on them and refusing to recognize theirs? Like you sound like the villain dude in Pocahontas lol. If they were here first, their view of who owns what IS the law, by default. Otherwise some illegal immigrant could just come in being like "Oh no, this is mine now. Because OUR LAWS say so, and yours don't count."
Can I assume that you have never jay-walked or went over the speed limit? Law is more nuanced than you would like to admit. Also, even if we decide that it is wrong, there is many other solutions to the problem besides deportation. We could fine them, give them a work-permit, make them pay lots of taxes that benefit you, then eventually give them citizenship.
hawkin5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except America made parts of Mexico unstable by having one way border controls which allowed a lot of weapons to enter Mexico contributing to deaths in violent drug gang wars. It's a similar fashion to how they import arms into the middle east and indirectly cause instability and violence (terror) there.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:39:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So we should accept illegal immigrants (criminals) because some of them are our friends?
Ebscer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:21:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should accept immigrants, because they are people.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:24:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...we do.
Yulfy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:34:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but what's an office dog?
sibtalay ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:36:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I take my dog to work. He just chills. People like him.
Yulfy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:51:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son has basically said the same thing. He doesn't want Trump to win because his friends across the street would have to go back to Mexico. I told him that's not true for a lot of reasons, mainly because the kids across the street were born here. Just because they're Mexican, doesn't mean they're from Mexico themselves.
She deleted 33,000 emails AFTER a subpoena was issued to return them. They could have prosecuted and didn't because she's a rich and powerful politician who knows too many people.
PRN [the people managing the server] were told that HRC didn't need emails older than 60 days and to delete them.
An employee didn't make the retention policy change and deleted them to cover his ass because he didn't do his job properly.
This happened despite the fact that PRN had received an email from Clinton's former chief of staff that mentioned the investigative committee's request to preserve emails.
So, what could they have prosecuted Clinton over?
In any case, if she's innocent then what is so bad about Trump appointing a special prosecutor to investigate? His comment that she should be in jail didn't come out of a vacuum - there's good reason to say she should be in jail.
Because it's already been investigated. We've already wasted lots of tax dollars investigating something that's nothing more than shit IT policy and Trump wanting to do it reeks of him going after political opponents.
Trump is on record saying he would rollback citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, so just being born here isn't enough, you need to make sure their parents were naturalized too... No idea if this idea is transitive, so if the great-great grandparents were illegal, I wonder if you'd be deporting 80 year old Americans.
Agreed. Trump can say he's going to do whatever he wants, but we're not in a dictatorship yet. The SCOTUS would still have to agree with it and that's when the real fun begins. What if a POTUS Trump simply ignores what the SCOTUS says and orders his departments to do it anyway? Andrew Jackson did that and we put him on the $20.
What if a POTUS Trump appointed a bunch of justices that feel the same as he does?
And if Congress doesn't do anything about it because they'd face an election loss if they don't fall in line.
That's a risk I'm willing to take because if people disliked it enough they would elect the people who are against Trump. If people were OK with it then we get to live in the type of country we deserve.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their quality of life will fall if their (hypothetical) undocumented parents get deported.
Their parents aren't illegal either. The grandfather might be, but I have no way of knowing one way or the other as I've never bothered to ask (cause it's none of my business really).
That basically encapsulates what people think trump says vs what he actually said.
[deleted] ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:46:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know who you're going to vote for? Legitimately asking, what could either one possibly do to sway you one way or another at this point?
sibtalay ยท 291 points ยท Posted at 16:59:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I know. I'm a liberal voting for Hillary who would have prefered Bernie. I wasn't in the mood to discuss politics with 10 year olds. If they said something to their parents about my vote, there's a 50/50 chance they'll get offended. Never in the mood for that, especially as a business owner in a small town.
Slightly off topic. Back in 1996 I went to a Catholic school. One of my teachers got asked the same question, and she said leaning toward Bill Clinton. Parents started calling her at home to bitch about abortion and sex and stuff. She wasn't fired but was told not to talk about politics. She gave a talk to the class about why she can't talk about it anymore. It was a shame because she was the best one there for discussing current events and political issues.
I've the same problem with the kids I tutor. They're just so dang curious!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:33:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My politics teacher was excellent at staying neutral. She taught me politics for 3 years and I still do not know what her own views were. I even asked the kid who had her house on his paper delivery route (I also had a route from the same shop) and apparently she got about 6 different newspapers daily, covering the whole spectrum of bias.
I've known who I'm going to vote for for a year, but tell people I'm undecided. After all the ragging I get from my parents to vote Trump, I don't want to invite the same behavior from strangers.
Isn't that awesome how kids take information and make/change their decisions. Us adults are so stubborn for our "team" to win we'll let them say and do anything and we'll still vote for the mofuggers.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:19:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A friend of mine is not a citizen (she's from Europe) railed on me about my decision to not vote. It was dumb of me not to think about what would happen to her if Trump were to win. She was brought here when she was really little and does not know her country's native language. If she were forced back, she would lose everything, including her career.
If there is a reason to vote despite how trashy this election is, it's for the neighbors, friends, and family who cannot. So for her, I'm voting for Hillary, even though I am SOOO tempted to write in "Giant Meteor", just to shit on this election.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:04:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Naive children. Those illegals are going to steal your paper route.
This is one of my main considerations. A decent chunk of my friend group are (or are closely related to) illegal immigrants. Theres no way in hell I'm moving to Mexico or Guatemala or Burma/Myanmar or wherever they all came from.
It's too bad adult Trump supporters can't be swayed away this easily.
I believe The Daily Show went into this the other night. Trump could tell his supporters they all had to f**k pigs, and there were people at this rally that said they'd still vote for him.
Danyol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're basing your political decisions off 10 year olds' opinions and not knowing the difference between legal and illegal immigrants, maybe it's not everyone else that's stupid.
1) I love that you asterisked the F-bomb. 2) I saw that episode of Black Mirror! 3) I genuinely think you are right. Even if audio leaked of him calling his supporters ugly moronic f@gs and people like my dad would still defend him.
I think a lot of people are loathe to admit that they were wrong. Conceding this means conceding that everything they defended before now might be wrong, too. With people like my dad it is sheer stubbornness. My dad's response is ALWAYS, "He's just joking. No one believes he will build that wall. No one believes he is going to send out the Syrians. And HRC is a LIAR!"
So much cognitive dissonance in one sentence.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if audio leaked of him calling his supporters ugly moronic f@gs and people like my dad would still defend him.
Well I mean Clinton already openly called them deplorables.
Not all. It's embarrassing actually. I truly wish you were 100% right.
TempAlt0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee that there are more anti-Trump people who think Trump wants to deport legal Mexican immigrants than there are Trump supporters that think that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you call INS since they are conspiring to hide illegal aliens?
phoebe81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my son said something pretty similar to this. My kids are white and go to a school that is 85% Mexican so many of their friends are Mexican. There's a lot of anti-Trump sentiment that's rubbing off on the kids, obviously. (This is an elementary school.)
Mexican friends are the best to have. Whenever you go to their house you're treated like family, which means free mexican food. And if anyone ever picks on you, you have an entire crew to go jump them.
He doesn't want to send their friends back to Mexico, unless they got here illegally.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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sibtalay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the point. The kids probably have no idea if their friends are legal or not. They have no idea how immigration laws work. They watch TV and see Trump constantly talking about building a wall, criminal Mexicans, deportations, so on. The kids do know they have friends who are Mexican, and they like them. Don't want to risk it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:51:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adorable haha
Jelese111 ยท 6166 points ยท Posted at 15:34:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not a teacher... But husband's cousin's daughter (6yo) said to me on 4th of July "I hope the bitch crooked Hillary rots in hell" I told her it wasn't nice to curse. She said "Oh no my daddy said it's okay as long as it's about the bitch". Oh...
Edit: Well this blew up. Yeah he isn't the best dude. Though he "prides himself on being a good dad and teaching his children the way the real world works and not sugar coating things" the first time I met him and his kids his daughter was 4yo and asked where her grandma was his reply "I killed her. Now she's in hell". That's when I knew I didn't like him.
[deleted] ยท 589 points ยท Posted at 17:49:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a cable guy. I heard three kids ranging from probably 5, 14, 16 talk about who they would vote for. The five year old screamed Trump, because Hillary is eeeeeeeeevvvvvvviiiilllllllllll.
just want to let you know, you're not getting downvoted because of CTR shills or whatever, you're getting downvoted for being an intellectually dishonest cucknugget. you know perfectly well DotaTAway was referring to Trump's extensive, blatant, public racism, not the GOP's extensive, blatant, public racism.
I'm sure I'll accept the unbiased opinion of username proliberate. Who is so obviously going to make a biased statement he has to clarify it with saying he isn't ctr.
The above poster was being downvoted for taking something funny and making a political statement. Now you've doubled down.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here, let me state the obvious for you by googling Trump Racist FAQ, which is a handy list, though frankly birther in chief is enough of a memory refresh to know that.
โWhen Mexico sends its people, theyโre not sending their best. Theyโre not sending you. Theyโre not sending you. Theyโre sending people that have lots of problems, and theyโre bringing those problems with us. Theyโre bringing drugs. Theyโre bringing crime. Theyโre rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.โ - Donald Trump
But he was talking about the iligal immigrants in this county, not every mexican in this country.
According to you. We only have Trump's words to go on. He immediately goes on to say:
But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.
Nowhere in this statement does he specify they're illegal immigrants. He instead says they're "not the right people." Trying to clean up his words is a generous thing of you to do, but I'll take him at what he said.
I could look past your snarky, passive aggressive words of Par-For-The-Course political side bashing in response to comments pointing out Trump's on the record statements...
...But coupled with your username, I find it incredibly hard to take you seriously.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bro he's actually in the process of being sued for raping a 13-year-old. Personally I'm a little suspicious of it, but it's not like everyone is pulling "pedophile" from thin air.
There was also that clip where he said he's be dating an attractive 10-year-old in 10 years, as well as him admitting he intentionally walked in on Miss Teen USA contestants while they were changing.
Notice how all of these rape claims have sprung up this months alone, and how they've never been mentioned until now, until being supposedly done years ago?
jroades26 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 21:16:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dating a 10 year old in 10 years is a testament to not being a pedophile. He even added 2 extra years.
He's a billionaire celebrity. Would you fuck 45 year olds if you could fuck 20 year olds?
That's stupid. Literally stupid. You have never heard people say a girl is going to be a heartbreaker when she's older? Or a guy is going to be a stud? Have you ever been around kids ever in your life? People say shit like that all the time.
The comment was entirely complementary towards a mother who was quite attractive, while obviously playfully jabbing at himself for dating 20 year olds at his age.
This is reddit that constantly is saying there is nothing wrong with finding younger people attractive, as long as you don't act on it. But logic goes out the window soon as you talk about trump. Rules for thee not for me.
Did you miss the part where he LITERALLY ADMITTED to acting on it by walking into teenage girls' dressing rooms without permission? And he wasn't talking to a girl's mother in that clip, he was talking to the camera. In fact, I'm pretty sure the mother wasn't even in the video. All the descriptions I've seen say "a group of young girls".
The reason it's messed up isn't that he said they were attractive per se - it's that he said that about a child, and then said he was "going to" be dating them, without appearing to take their opinions in the matter into consideration. An even better example can be seen here, where he was talking directly to the girls, and was referring to dating them when they would be 16 - still a minor child. Again, no recognition of the fact that dating is a two-person decision. It's just a little unsettling, is all.
Before you reply, I want you to think about how you would be defending this behavior if it were someone else doing it, and not Trump. If you wouldn't say the exact same things about Obama or Bill Clinton or Paul Ryan, then don't say it.
You're lying about that teenage dressing room. Just 100% lying. He talked about walking into miss usa dressing room. NOT teen usa. You decided to make that talking point up.
Show me where he says it, specifically teen, because the quote is about pageants in general. And he ran hundreds of adult ones. Very few teen ones.
What you're saying is ridiculous. I've never in my life nor in the current election cycle accused someone of fucking pedophilia. Bill Clinton is a dirty philandering potential rapist, but to suggest he's a pedophile just because he diddled girls 20 years younger than him. Never did it. Never will.
You're grasping at straws saying something is wrong with saying you're going to be dating someone. As if it's a rape or something.
Keep making shit up, someday you'll be far removed from your safe space echo chambers and realize life is not PC. Life doesn't care about your feelings and if things aren't said just the way you like them to be said so as not to assault your sensisibilities.
elbenji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like believe what you want but the 13 y.o is skeeeeettttchhyyy
He doesn't. The case hasn't been accepted yet. A date has been set to REVIEW if the case should go into consideration. This is 1 step in, and about 2 steps removed from having an actual trial of any kind.
elbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BTW, I'm not a liberal, and am no fan of "safe space PC echo chambers". I've been trying to be respectful to you, but I can see you're pulling out the buzzwords, so I'm going to end this here. Have a good one.
11 more women from the same contest said he didn't and no men were ever on there.
And the reason I use those buzzwords is because you're clearly taking words incredibly seriously. Which is the hallmark of safe spaces. That words are dangerous and to be taken literally and harmfully.
You're extrapolating out of context statements as admissions of pedophilia and worse. And the accusing me of defense purely based on bias when I've presented nothing but facts.
Yes I'm heated, and yes, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck I'll call it a duck right or wrong. This is the same rhetoric I've been hearing for the last 3-4 months. Generally from people who claim not to be liberals, but often seem to be in practice.
And considering you spend much of your time slandering trump all over here and /r/politics (the definition of a liberal echo chamber) spare me your outrage. I don't pretend to be anything other than what I am. Why don't you have some pride in yourself and at least admit you're biased.
elbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's why Americans should be required to take a maturity exam before having children. At the very least, this type of brainwashing should be considered child abuse. These children are going to grow up to be pieces of shit just like their dad, it's no secret, so just take them away before he can do any more damage.
[deleted] ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 17:23:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As if he's not the one making enemies?
It sounds like that person lives in a backwards area. My response to that was to move as far away from those kinds of people as possible. Now i live in LA where everyone in insane in a completely different way.
kiddo51 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:29:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it, that dude is obviously deranged. You don't just casually make enemies with people like that. Especially when there is nothing to gain, cause I guarantee you you're not changing that asshole's mind.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 17:39:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've never been to a deeply red state, have you? I'm not sure "deranged" comes to mean much when it applies to a significant chunk of a given population.
You might not change his mind, but you might plant a seed in his kid's mind: namely, that it is possible that his dad is wrong and people don't agree with him.
kiddo51 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:49:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've never been to a deeply red state, have you? I'm not sure "deranged" comes to mean much when it applies to a significant chunk of a given population.
Deranged isn't a relative term. I'm sorry there's a high population of deranged people near you. :/
You might not change his mind, but you might plant a seed in his kid's mind: namely, that it is possible that his dad is wrong and people don't agree with him.
True. To be clear, it's cool to teach the kid an opposing viewpoint and all. I just feel like the way that was mentioned wasn't the ideal way to do that.
ilion ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:11:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you underestimate the power of normalizing behaviours.
And I get that, it's been difficult since I've moved to the South a decade ago. Constantly trying new communities and seeing if folks get better. Always so frustrating once you get out of the bigger metro areas and find yourself being called satan or the anti-christ simply for saying that maybe committing genocide isn't the best idea.
I just hope that things can change.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope so too. Best of luck to you out there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Any advice about moving to LA? I'm planning on moving there in a year. :-)
I moved there when I was 19 on my own. I didn't move to LA the city though, I moved to a city in LA county on the border of Orange County. Rent isn't too bad, just don't talk about where you came from too much. People don't really feel for you that you moved and you don't know anybody and that everything is kind of stressful for a while as it is when you move away from home. People won't want to chat with you in the grocery store, everyone is kind of doing their own thing. People are generally cordial, but not focused on greeting people in their day to day. I loved my time in LA, it was the best, but adjusting took time, and a huge part of it was that even though I moved away from home for a reason, it was hard to adapt to not knowing where anything was, etc. Etc. Try to live like 10-15 mins away from your job, tops. LA traffic is always talked about but if you work within 1-2 cities you honestly probably won't have to deal with it that much. Everything is so close that you only really leave your area to go to like concerts or on a trip or something. GET A GPS. even though phones have maps and everything now, get a GPS and save yourself data, time, and energy. While I am from NorCal and Walmart is like the devil here, don't be afraid to use it in SoCal if you have to. I was kinda snooty about it for a while but honestly as a 19 year old working retail part time and going to college it was like I had to take what I could so yeah. If you use BofA remember to change your address and add the cash back deals, that area has tons. In LA you kind of have to forget everything you learned about begin an adult and relearn it because it is so fast paced and people don't have time for bullshit. ALSO. In the malls and on the streets or at the beaches DO NOT let people hand you free shit. They will take you away and all but force you to buy something. The first thing I learned was to keep my hands in my pockets. Even if it seems rude not to take something either ignore the person or say no thanks and keep walking. There are very predatory sales people there. Don't leave shit on your seats that is valuable. This isn't really just an LA thing but it's still a good reminder. Use Groupon for food discounts when eating out, TONS of small business type restaurants also use yelp check ins to offer you free soda or toppings or whatever. Also don't stick to the food you've been eating your whole life. Try the small Asian restaurants and Mexican markets and things that you see. They may seem kinda low income or sketch sometimes but you can find lots of little gems strewn about SoCal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It totally was! I moved back north to finish school but I may find myself south again. I needed to make that move to grow and establish my independence and all that. It was probably the best decision I ever made for myself. You should also find some group or club to join to make new friends, otherwise it's pretty hard to meet people and get a group to chill with. Even if it's like pickup games of your sport, or like boardgames, or if you do church or volunteering.... Basically the best way to make friends is to find a group with an established meeting time and if someone is worth your time outside of that group you can invite them to do things with you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a job lined up or are you just making the plunge? Because the two situations warrant very different kinds of advice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No job lined up, but I have a place to stay with family over there. I don't know how I could even go about finding work when I'm on the east coast. Plus I'm pursuing acting, so Ican't look for the 9-5. I need something more flexible that will allow me to attend auditions.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your family from the east? (If so, I'm guessing they live in Silver Lake?) You'll find a service sector job that allows you a flexible job. Frankly it would be harder to find a 9-5 job in LA these days. Make sure your job and living situation allows you to spend a lot of time in the areas surrounding the studios. You need to live there in order to expose yourself to opportunitiesโnot just when a formal audition is scheduled, but around the clock. Make sure you surround yourself with people who are doing something, going somewhere, but at the same time be wary of getting taken advantage of. This city will eat you alive if you're not careful. Everyone may be a vegetarian here, but they're all carnivores when it comes to getting ahead. But don't let this get you down: it's an exhilarating place to be, and there's plenty of people here who are actually capable of genuine friendship. And when it comes to night life/partying, be sure to set your limits ahead of time. When that limit comes, the trick is to recognize it and remember that you don't need to make your decision again because you already made it before you arrived.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is awesome advice! Thank you! And my family is mostly in the east, but the ones I'll be staying with are letting me stay in their condo in WeHo for $500 a month. It'll be a very small room, I have LOTS of rules (can't have anyone overnight, no drugs, no loud music, I do the cleaning, etc.) but after my research that's an amazing price. And if I really hate living with them then I'll have time to find another place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you can. I'm learning disabled, bisexual and Hispanic. Like hell I'm going to be friendly to someone talking down my whole existence. I don't surround myself with shit.
Not when you're a teacher at an elementary school. Starting stuff at work is not a good way to keep your job. Sometimes you gotta just turn your head the other way.
You absolutely can. There are some people people who won't add anything positive in your life and the risk of losing their acquaintance is not a terrible thing.
ergzay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously a family member that they meet with regularly. You can't really do that.
You're right. But isn't it shitty to miss an event that is completely unrelated to any beef and and that one person has?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It does.
On the bright side we haven't had to sit through 3-4 hours of passive aggressive comments, or a screaming match since we stopped seeing them. Because that would happen at everyone.
There also haven't been any weddings or funerals for that side of the family in a while. And we still see my grandparents and our great aunts and uncles from that side here and there.
I get that. However, you can still stand up for yourself and your opinion, while still respecting the majority of your family.
Might cause some drama though, depending on your family. Which you might want to avoid
Lucyqup ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:32:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that easy unfortunately
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is. I have aunts and cousins that live 50 miles away. I have never seen them. I've heard of them, but if they were to stand in front of me I wouldn't recognize them.
Yes, I can. I can put up with people who have different views. Many of my friends believe very different things than I do, but there is a line. It's his choice to be my enemy. If he doesn't want to listen to reason, that's his issue.
I've done it before, and I'd do it again. Sometimes shaming works, and sometimes you get a chance to highlight what a piece of shit some people are.
ionbeam7 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:51:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why people think this is such a terrible attitude to have towards people with prejudiced and bigoted views, especially when there are children who are looking at those people to determine how they should act.
You can go through life and avoid those people at all costs and live in your own little social sphere and ignore everything else, or you can bring up difficult topics with people you don't like and maybe cause some good.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:37:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have no way of qualifying that statement. You have no of knowing whether or not a seed would be planted in that kids mind that her dad's word isn't infallible.
Neither do I, but at least I'm willing to admit and I'm not making unprovable statements to make myself feel morally superior. I am, however, morally superior to this kid's douche of a father and would gladly put it out there for the world to judge.
Baial ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. We definitely need to bring back duels. Why undermine his kids when Colt perfected a much better way to win an argument?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, considering the comment backlash here, I'm the one being petty. /s
I never said anything about getting violent with the guy, or that I wouldn't try to reason with him. The kid is hardly going to be hurt by one comment. Wtf people.
I was raised with his views, and I have every right to shit on him. His beliefs are harmful to society. My moral ground is higher, but if that's how you choose to view it, by all means go with it.
rox0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that you have some kind of faux sense of a moral high ground because you have a different view than him
This is a faux sense of moral high ground? I hate to see what real moral high ground looks like.
He openly bashes gays and transgenders and mentally handicapped
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you can. I don't lie to kids and I don't let them wander around thinking hateful things. I may not say in in that way, but I'll definitely tell children the truth at their emotional level/ability to understand. I've explained racism, sexism, transphobia, and homophobia to children. For example, my niece's father says terrible things about a family member because they're transgender. I've told her that sometimes people don't understand how other's feel and it makes them uncomfortable, so they lash out to make themselves feel better. We've compromised by not having the family member present when her dad picks her up so she doesn't have to hear hateful things about a loved one as much.
Pa5trick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've done similar in the past; it's much better to implant the seed of knowledge in a child's mind than to allow them to grow an unmitigated hatred for anything.
Anyone who openly speaks in the manner this guy (allegedly) does, likely wouldn't be counted among my friends and wouldn't be a huge loss for me to make an enemy of.
And when he comes up to you all red-faced and about to get in yours about what you said, just give him a smug look and say, "Hey, you claimed you wanted them to know the real world works and the real world thinks their dad says things that are hatefully stupid."
If he still starts shouting, just tell him "Hey, I did sugar coat the part about you being an asshole so be thankful they can learn that on their own...." and walk off.
I learned early on it's useless to argue with my husband's extended family. They are so deep set in their hateful ways, can't stop them and don't want to deal with it. I only have to see them once a year. His mom and siblings are alright though, and grandparents on both sides.
Despite my rebuttals to some of the nonsense commentary I'm receiving, I can understand and empathize with what you're saying, which is why I said how I would handle it. I don't necessarily expect others to handle it the same way.
My own family was this way. I've never been good about keeping my mouth shut. Recently though, it was brought to my attention that opinion's have changed. Not only do they not speak that way anymore, I was told that they realized after a while that their attitudes weren't very "christian," and they understand why I don't identify as such anymore considering their behaviors. Sometimes it just takes people time to see themselves clearly. I never yelled or got angry. Every debate is calculated and well-crafted, whichever approach I took (religious angle, rational angle, etc).
I love my fam for this (and because they're fam), but I understand that not everyone's family would make such changes.
Don't make assumptions. Many real life confrontations go down the way they're stated on the Internet. Your statement is something I've heard frequently lately, but it has no basis. I see people argue regularly.
I'd say it to his face but you don't want to set the kid up for conflict when there's no one there to protect her man. who knows what he's like behind closed doors.
That's a rational concern. If I really felt this was a possibility, I would definitely hold my tongue for the moment. However, if it was really a concern, child protective services needs to get involved and it's bigger than any exchange I could have with him anyhow.
Again though, I think what you've stated is very rational and something to consider.
If he/she preserves their relationship, then there is an opportunity to be a good influence on that child. If hey burn that bridge that kid won't get much chance to know anything different.
This is the only rational argument I've received yet. However, I've taken the opportunity in the past, it worked out, and I'd do it again. That's me. If you read further in rhe comments, I have made it more than clear I don't expect others to do the same.
ddpowkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really feel like being the jumpstart to a conflict isn't in the child's best interests
Telling a child "daddy's wrong" is hardly conflict. I would attempt a rational conversation with dad, but if it comes down to it, I'll let him know he's a piece of shit away from the child. I have some tact. The kid isn't going to be scarred for life.
Kids need to know that not everything their parents say is the pinnacle of truth. If he grows up believing everything his daddy says he's never going to learn to think for himself.
This is fucking ridiculous. Say dad hits me, fine. All it's going to do is show the world he's capable of unnecessary violence, and then we'll be settling in court. I doubt dad's going to murder me at the family outing. We're grown adults. If dad has an issue to the point he can't hold his shit together without getting violent, oh well.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously I don't REALLY think the government should dictate who can raise children and who can't. And no, people are welcome to have a different opinion. It's when people teach their children to disrespect people in a rude way. I worked at a place where there was a cigar randomly left on the floor in a children's room so I threw it out. 5 minutes later a guy came up "did you throw out me cigar??? So you gunna buy me a new one?" Then says to his kid "come on, let's go before they throw out your juice box." It's that kind of idiocy that kids are raised by that we can only hope that kids will be embarrassed by their parents behavior and chose not to mimick it.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hardly. Teaching their children double standards is a big issue though, because then they grow up to be the kind of people who think it's okay when they do something, but not when others do that.
No it isn't. You can have an opinion that grass doesn't exist... it's just a useless opinion. Not all issues need opinions. Many things are black and white.
Nobody should reproduce. We have plenty of people already, and since any new children are just going to be taught this feel-good "your opinion always matters" philosophy, the next generation is just going to kill each other anyway.
Trans guy here. So worried for kids who grow up with parents who spew hate. My parents said and did awful things while hoping I would "outgrow my tomboy phase". It still cuts me deep.
Love your children for their weirdness, and love them for who they are.
FYI, it's best to use the word "people" in tandem with those descriptors. Ex: "gay people and transgender people." It's like how saying "whites" sounds weird.
Goddammit... I mean I'm used to the first two, and I'm not saying that's okay, but you rarely hear about people who are prejudiced against mentally handicapped people.
Yeah it would be a hard time for kids to understand Monica Lewinsky since they weren't around or real wikileaks and understand the severity of corruption and cover-up going on.
Being an asshole is better than being two-faced & crooked in my book.
You would think he'd be a Hillary supporter then considering some of the largest donors to her slush fund are the same people advocating tossing gays off rooftops
Druzl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC Trump used to be a Clinton supporter until he decided to run as a Rep
TIL that people who say shitty things are literally Nazis and deserve the death penalty.
Thanks reddit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah! So you think nazis are some monsters created by some mutation by some uv ray with which Hitler sprayed on them when he was elected chancellor?
They were shits like the guy in question here. Deep seated bigotry in their mind and with the right leadership like trump, they are capable of what every nazi did. Do not underestimate history, my friend.
ajlunce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't what nazis SAID that had them hang, it was ACTIONS
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forget it. Guess what, I'm sorry. Just remember, every one of these hateful people will become violent once they find a government who will condone this a.k.a Donald trump's presidency.
This is why we can't have a direct democracy. I mean, Trump snuck through the filters, but imagine EVERY candidate being like him. The American public cannot be trusted to vote for a good president, because most of us don't even have any fucking clue how our government even functions. Trump is only popular because he tosses memberberries at his supporters. He uses nostalgia to bait bitter, feeble boomers and sheltered neckbeards.
People are so stupid they can't be trusted to vote right they're all just sheep democracy doesn't work because I'm smarter than everyone I know better /s
Libertarianism is the new Republican party. Consequently, people like myself have been essentially forced out of the Libertarian party for being unwilling to jerk off on guns. Can't join the Green Party because then my party's nominee would be an anti-vaxxer lunatic. Guess I'll just stick to NPP...
Magma151 ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 17:32:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Far left and far right are no better than one another when it comes to values. Holy hatred batman.
That's for fucking sure. I went to a Bernie rally and a few of those people were as crazy as the trump supporters people make fun of. The hypocrisy was too real.
Edit: With all the downvotes coming in, I think I should mention that I was and still am pro-Sanders. I don't support his recent promotion of Clinton, but I understand why he did it. I was agreeing with the fact that the left can be as crazy as the right because most people seem to forget or ignore that fact. There's plenty of trump supporters I'd rather befriend over Bernie supporters and vise versa. Both sides have their crazies. I still despise Trump and think his ideas are batshit insane, but to stereotype all his voters as crazy idiots isn't entirely correct.
I've read that before! I agree. I've really seen the nasty bits of both sides and sometimes I think the two would get along better with each other. This video does a pretty good job of illustrating that in a funny stereotypical way.
I'm glad you agree, but I doubt that the video has anything to do with leftwing-rightwing politics. They are both nationalists and religious conservatives, after all.
You're right. It has nothing at all to do with politics. I guess it's just a broad example of that idea that both ends of the spectrum can end up being closer than they thought? Maybe it's just me, but to me it feels like a super eli5 of the general concept.
That's not what I mean, what I meant is that they are politically speaking on the same end of the spectrum, their contempt for each other doesn't really come from different world views after all.
Which is what the video actually illustrates.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie supporters were the most violent this election, they literally started riots.
Have the left repressed this memory? Too embarrassing lol?
Strangely enough, I've never had that said to me, in my presence. I've read that someone knows someone that believes that, yes...many times.
The claim to be the true, moral Americans, because they support the death penalty, are anti-equality and pro-corporate above all else...yea...I hear that on the train platforms every day, despite being around American colleagues of different colors and ethnicities, and that joke about 1600 Penn Ave being public housing is apparently still not old. Yep, the blinders are real.
Suure.. both parties try and look like saints compared to each other, but problem is they're both corrupt, as well as neglectful of demographics their constituency doesn't cover.
Trying to act like they have a moral edge over Americans as a whole is the kind of thinking that makes me forever independent.
to be fair she is, but a child shouldnt be saying that in public or really at all
swearing is relative to cultures and not a "bad" thing, but at the same time, swearing is generally looked down upon in certain settings and children shouldnt get used to swearing across the board. takes time to develop to a point where they know what sort of people are around them and whats socially acceptable to use.
I can't say I blame you. My sister married someone who has an uncle like that. She finally blocked him on Facebook because she didn't think she could be polite.
I had to talk to a group of 7th grade girls after class last week. They said in class that their grades didn't matter because once they grow up they're going to be "gold digger wives like Melania."
My mother thought she was the Kardashian mom when my sister and I were kids, and she raised us with that expectation too. We had to find rich husbands. You gotta find a rich man and do whatever you can to land him and then take him for everything in the divorce. I thought that was pretty fucked up even at six years old
I'm very sorry for saying this, but your mom was the kind of woman that gave women in general a bad name.
My mom raised us to work hard and do what you like so long as you took responsibility for your actions. So, yes I was allowed to drink underage, but we had to stay home and if we drove it was our ass. Thank god I wasn't that stupid. Can't say I'm certain of the same for my sister.
She raised us solo because my deadbeat druggie dad couldn't figure out what it meant to be a dad or to be sober. Now the sister is running around with the same kind of guy and I'm ready to break her fucking arm and his stupid fucking skull.
Alright. Sorry. I'll get down from the soap box now
Well marriages of alliance and convenience were transparent to both parties. It was the sealing of the alliance by mixing their bloodlines. Everyone knew what they were getting into, and there weren't really divorces.
My aunt use to say to me when I was a young girl, "Coffeeordeath85, you need to marry a doctor or a rich man." My Mom would get so mad at her and yell back, "No! She can be a doctor!" Yay Mom!
That's the same at my school. I'm a student, by the way. Everybody just loves those Trump and Hillary jokes, and one of the social studies teachers separated the Trump and Hillary supporters during class. They had a pretty intense "debate".
I honestly don't know. I was in middle school during the McCain-Obama election in 2008, and that was crazy enough. All I can say is that if they'd separated my class by politics back then, it might have gotten REALLY ugly.
I remember that. We held a mock election and only one kid in the class voted McCain.
You'd think he'd have gotten a lot of shit for being the odd guy out but since everyone, him included, was just parroting their parent's vote, nobody understood the election enough to care.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:49:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They said in class that their grades didn't matter because once they grow up they're going to be "gold digger wives like Melania."
Where you you live? I'm curious about the sort of upbringing that would cause kids to have such an outlook on life.
I'm not an elementary school teacher, but I was involved in an activity where elementary school children created superheroes based on the chemical elements.
One kid got Uranium and he decided to make trUmp. He harnesses the devastation of nuclear weapons to protect his loved ones. He is small and unstable, but uncommonly strong. It even had a very good drawing attached. The kid described trUmp as infallible and flawless.
It was like something out of a North Korea documentary.
It was like something out of a North Korea documentary.
Kim Jong Urani-Un. It gives off radiation that causes cancer, but only to capitalist pig-dogs. People who believe in the true goodness of Dear Leader have their hair automatically shorten itself to an approved haircut in accordance with the socialist lifestyle!
You do know to Trump means to win, right? And not in some political sense, but "trump card" or "they trumped the other team" sense. Someone being The Trump would be an entirely valid if obvious superhero name, like Victor or Winner.
You asked him to create a superhero, so he created one. The fact that North Korean propaganda portrays their leader as being a superhero has nothing to do with it.
I mean, it sounds more like a kid who decided to make a funny pun based on the letter U and gave him Superman/Goku-like qualities. Saying the kid was actually indoctrinated by "North Korea-like" pro-Trump propaganda is foolish.
0dyssia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in Korea and all my students love Hillary and call Trump "์ฐ๋ ๊ธฐ Trump" (trash trump). I'm sure the favor for Hillary comes from Trump wanting to pull the military from Korea. I watch the debates streaming on youtube between my 10 min breaks between classes, if they come early; they like watching it too lol
back9 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:18:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an interesting point, going to the claim HRC made on the Ellen show claim she felt 'stalked' by DJT in Debate 2. You think Xi is going to be deferential when they're in a room together?
Plenty of world leaders didn't respect Obama because he was black. I don't think the US should stick with only white male leaders because some other countries are still living in the 50s.
back9 ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 18:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If HRC was 1/10000 the leader Margaret Thatcher was I'd agree w/ya. However, her fecklessness and weakness will make BHO look like FDR.
dpfw ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:57:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make up your minds already, is she weak and feckless or is she a tyrant?
back9 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tyrant inside US, weak & feckless outside. Just like BHO, who views right worse than Putin, ISIS, etc.
tatlungt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He answerd, telling you guys his belives after asked. Downvotes? Is he not contributing to the discussion?
back9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is how CTR rolls
tatlungt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah im just pointing it out. After all the leaks there is no doubt in my mind that the bigger subreddits/the posts that come up high on /r/all is full of them.
dpfw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She also said that he was "more sophisticated and articulate" than his predecessor, Hu Jintao...
They don't need to when every one of them is fucking male
tatlungt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah maybe they need some fucking females to even it out.
[deleted] ยท 2946 points ยท Posted at 15:23:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students are 11-12 so they're on the older side but are still elementary minded in many ways. They have definitely made comments about "the wall". But the comment that gave me the most pause and difficulty was when we were learning about personal finance. They had to create a budget based on hypothetical salary and I was explaining tax brackets so they could find their take-home income. I told them, roughly, that the more you make the more you pay in taxes.
One student raised their hand and asked "if Donald Trump is so rich, then how come he doesn't pay taxes?"
my kids school has a manditory personal finance class that is used to make the booklets for their exit interviews.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, you made it through twelve years of learning about the quadratic equation, the cotton gin and mitochondria. Now, we're going to go ahead and cram every single bit of practical, applicable and grounded information that you will absolutely require to exist into the next 35 days. Good luck."
Jerryy_D ยท 1005 points ยท Posted at 16:14:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in grade 10 and no one has taught us that yet
KiraNinja ยท 985 points ยท Posted at 16:19:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've finished school and no one ever taught me that.
edit: some people are idiots.
[deleted] ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 16:41:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 51. I still don't understand tax brackets.
jetigig ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:04:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an immortal god. I still don't understand tax brackets.
lrrlrr ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stars and Galaxies died and snuffed out, and space grew black after ten trillion years of running down.
One by one Man fused with AC, each physical body losing its mental identity in a manner that was somehow not a loss but a gain.
Man's last mind paused before fusion, looking over a space that included nothing but the dregs of one last dark star and nothing besides but incredibly thin matter, agitated randomly by the tag ends of heat wearing out, asymptotically, to the absolute zero.
Man said, "AC, how do tax brackets work? Why are they so hard to understand? Was this not taught in grade school?"
AC said, "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."
Man's last mind fused and only AC existed -- and that in hyperspace.
Pretend you have a football field. You paint different regions of the field different colours, based on the distance from the left side end zone. 10 yards to 20 yards is blue, 20 yards to 40 yards is red, 40 yards to 45 yards is a light brown, 45 yards to 90 yards is yellow with purple polka dots, 90 yards to the other end zone is black, and everything in and beyond the end zone is, I dunno, hot pink. Now, you start at the left end zone, and start laying $100 bills down next to each other, in a line, towards the next end zone. When you run out of money, you stop. If you hit the other end zone, keep going, placing down bill after bill after bill.
So, where we stand so far is a technicolour football field with a line of bills extending from the left end zone.
Now, the IRS comes, and they have a sheet that tells them what percentage of cash to take from each colour. If they take 20% of the money on blue, and you put 50 bills down in the blue zone, they take 10 of them. 30% on hot pink, 15% on yellow with polka dots, you get the point, whatever. But what changes is the money in a zone: you avoid a zone entirely if you don't have enough money to reach a zone, and any money placed down to the right of a zone is also exempt from it.
So if it takes $10,000 for me to cross the first zone, and $20,000 to cross the second, and $40,000 to cross the third, it takes $70,000 to get to the end of the third zone. If the first zone is taxed at 5%, and the second zone is taxed at 15%, and the third zone is taxed at 30%, then the IRS agent would go down the field, take $500 from the first zone, $3,000 from the second zone, and $21,000 from the third zone, totaling $24,500.
Now let's say you're on another field, just to talk about a point people make some times. Same rules, field is set up differently. Here, it takes $20,000 to cross the first zone, which is taxed at 10%. The second zone, however, is taxed at 50%. You make $20,000 right now, and pay $2,000 in taxes. Your boss wants to give you a raise, to $21,000. "Oh no, now I'll be taxed at a higher rate, and make less money!" Wrong. You put down $21,000 in bills on the football field, the IRS agent takes 10% of the bills in the first zone, and 50% of the bills in the second zone. He's taken $2,000 from the first zone, and $500 from the second zone, leaving you with $18,500, whereas you previously were left with $18,000.
That probably doesn't make a ton of sense. Ask me if you want clarification.
Source: You pick up things when you're the son of an accountant.
It probably does make sense but to sum it up, you won't lose money by getting into a higher tax bracket. I did the math one day and even if you went up by one dollar and found yourself in a higher tax bracket, you'd still make more than if you were paid one dollar less and in a lower tax bracket
Income tax is divided into brackets, which are defined by 1) two levels of income, and 2) a tax percentage. Money that you make between those two income levels is taxed at that percentage. If there's a bracket from $20,000 to $40,000 at 10%, money that you make after your first $20,000 and before your first $40,000 is taxed at 10%. Money that comes before a given bracket, i.e. your first $20,000 before the $20,000 to $40,000 bracket, is never taxed at that bracket. If you were to make $30,000, only your last $10,000 would be taxed at that amount.
The problem with a TL;DR is that you lose the explanation, and from that a lot of the comprehension.
I was kidding with the tl;dr. It's my usual dickish response to big walls of text. Thanks for the shorter explanation though.
ricecake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have money.
You have boxes.
Each box holds a certain amount of money.
You put your money in the boxes, starting small and working towards large.
When a box is full, you start putting your money in the next box.
The IRS takes a percentage of the money in each box, a different percentage for each one.
That's progressive income tax in a nutshell.
In the practical world, the IRS takes a chunk of each paycheck based on what you would have ended up paying from above, less a bit for allowances like family. Those are your exemptions you setup with your employer.
Come tax day, you figure out where the IRS took too much or too little, allowing for things that the IRS doesn't know about (the government likes it when you do certain things, so they either don't tax you on it, (taking college classes) or they reduce you taxes by the amount you spent (donating to charity)). Then someone is mailing a check to someone else depending on if you owed or get back.
you earn $20,000, it has a certain tax rate. say the tax bracket goes up to $20,000, and there's another one with a higher rate that goes to $50,000. now if you earn $50,000, the first $20,000 is taxed at the first bracket rate, and the remainder ($30,000) is taxed at the $50,000 rate.
so overall, you pay less tax.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They taught us in school about british history but not how to do taxes. Its a fucking bad joke. I dont care about the War of Roses lady, aint nobody got time for that!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are having a laugh. There's no such thing as taxes right? Right?
churchey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, personal financial literacy became a push around 2010, following the crash. TX implemented their personal financial literacy TEKS in 2011 or 12, I can't recall.
These things take time to implement in state law, then local school boards, then local school departments, then the classrooms themselves.
I remember my school teaching us how to write checks. Really helped me out in my adult life. They did a long lesson on Canada too though and that has yet to be helpful at all so...
Yeah I was never taught that until my 12th grade economics class. Luckily I went to a private school in a high income area where the parents have already taught their kids how to properly budget, and our teacher was really good at making sure we knew the importance of it all
Yeah, I went to a private hs, and we had a semester long class that covered critical thinking/logic and personal finance. It was kind of a strange way to do it, but they covered a good amount of material.
NotTipsy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jerryy_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I will check it out
churchey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, personal financial literacy became a push around 2010, following the crash. TX implemented their personal financial literacy TEKS in 2011 or 12, I can't recall.
These things take time to implement in state law, then local school boards, then local school departments, then the classrooms themselves.
sparrow5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
semi- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they did teach you enough math to understand marginal tax brackets, so I mean.. Read the forms you have to fill out and its really not too bad. Not as easy as it should be thanks to intuit lobbying, but not as confusing as most people imply. At least not for the majority of people
Hopefully personal finance will be covered in your high school economics class. In my area, economics is taught senior year. I cover taxes, budgeting, credit cards, etc. because I agree that it is extremely important to focus on life skills in addition to general economic concepts. If your Econ teacher doesn't cover those topics, I'd suggest checking out Khan Academy and Crash Course Economics.
Shit man I learned this is 6th grade, and I go to an American public school.
caiti_oh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to get a high level view of financial literacy and are willing to potentially have to give up half a Saturday, you should look into financial literacy programs in your area. You can start by googling "financial literacy 7-12 (your area)" and if that doesn't work you could contact your state's CPA association and see if they have anything. North Carolina's Association of CPAs (NCACPA) has a couple of events for example.
True. There are a bunch brackets. And within each bracket there is a set amount of % you owe for taxes. And based in your income, you fall into one bracket, you owe that amount of taxes. So the poor pay less and the rich pay more (well theoretically, usually the rich find ways to not pay. Like Trump.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took a lower level of math called "workplace and apprenticeship", where they actually taught us how compounded vs simple interest, etc worked.
Although, they didn't tell us how the different tax brackets worked, but they did teach us how to do our taxes, and those of us with jobs, used our actual t4's for that assignment.
In grade 11 math my class touched on credit cards and car leasing. It wasn't part of the curriculum, but we were a few days ahead of schedule and our teacher wanted us to be semi-successful.
Not the person you replied to but I graduated High School in 2010 we never learned any of that. This was a middle class suburban school district that is usually ranked highly in the country.
Is this really that common? I'm your age, and we have a mandatory course all gr 10-12 must take to graduate that includes finance, as well as multiple electives that include it.
Such as learning how to do your goddamn taxes. Don't you think people should google "the quadratic equation" instead of "how to write a CV"?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I've never had to execute the idea of the quadratic equation... Surely they could teach new ideas applicable to life or at least more common career paths.
Sure, the quadratic equation represents a new idea and whatever, but don't you think that knowing things that are integral to your life no matter what you do or where you live, such as knowing how to do your taxes, should take at least some precedence? I'm not saying we should throw math out of school and not teach it again ever, but I am saying that things like doing your taxes are an integral part of your life and should be taught at school.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Taxes are an example, and if you learned it in a day then good for you, that doesn't mean that's the time it will take/took for the other 8 billion people on the planet.
Taxes aside, since they were an example, these things that are part of everyone's lives should be taught in all schools. The only schools that seem to teach these skills are the private schools filled with rich kids that probably have their own accountant since the age of ten.
No... people will learn how to do their taxes because they have to do their taxes. People won't learn about advanced math if they don't have to, because it can be boring and difficult and not that useful in day to day life. Yet an educated population will ultimately be much better prepared for succeeding in work and life. The idea that we should scrap all the "useless" academics like math and history and social studies and just teach kids how to do taxes and balance a checkbook and other practical skills is not a new idea, but it is a bad idea. Besides, when you get out of high school your first couple jobs are not likely to lead to a complicated tax situation. You just have to fill out a couple forms. You can google that. And if they taught you all about making deduction in high school you would not remember a shred of it when you got into your mid 20s or 30s and finally had cause to use that knowledge.
Callox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say that the fundamentals of our economic system and how we function within it is as academic as any other subject.
ChipLady ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:34:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 30 and no one has taught me that.
Meetchel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 35 and no one has taught me that yet.
espo1234 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in grade 10 and taking a retarded class called Personal Finance, but it is teaching you things based off of unrealistic scenarios (invest a lot! If you open a compounding interest account that compounds at 18%, and invest x amount each year, you'll be a multi-millionaire!". Yeah, no shit. But where are you going to find 18% every year for 50 years!??!
My kid is in 7th and they are teaching her personal finance right alongside the scientific method of rigorous testing and logical conclusions. Say what you will about Iowa, but their school system is ok iny book.
Most elementary schools teach basic finances, but people don't remember learning that because it's in elementary school. If you take low level math in high school you'll also learn "life skills", if you take calculus people generally assume you can probably figure out taxes.
My school has financial algebra that teaches tax brackets and how to apply for jobs, etc. but it's an elective and almost all the kids in that class have failed normal math.
I am in Grade 12, I still haven't learned anything to do with taxes! In Gr.10 math I think we learned how to make a table, yet a computer can do that for me!
churchey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, personal financial literacy became a push around 2010, following the crash. TX implemented their personal financial literacy TEKS in 2011 or 12, I can't recall.
These things take time to implement in state law, then local school boards, then local school departments, then the classrooms themselves.
I was so lucky to learn this stuff in school, but it was in an optional class that most people didn't take because it wasn't "fun"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was taught that in Grade 8 ish. It wasn't really the same, more like Interest, we had a business project with investments, profits, etc., we learned about commission, net salary, a tad of taxes. But I forget it all :'(. Worst part is that I'm in the science program, which means no fun electives while the other programs can choose things like Business, Law or Financial literacy. Because Sciency people dont need that, right?
I'm always surprised when it turns out other schools didn't have mandatory personal finance classes like mine did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My high school did. It was an all-female Catholic school, but for one semester the religion elective was a life skills class. It was surprisingly pro-contraception in terms of the piece we learned about raising children and family psychology from what I remember, and we had a project where we went to look for and write the prices of all the things we would have or want to have in our first home or apartment, including budgeting for rent and cost of living expenses. The sex Ed class was good too, as a side note- we learned a lot of detail about STD's and what kinds of birth control are available. Not many scare tactics, all very reasonable. Aside from what I've heard about my friends' high schools, we hadn't had a single teenage pregnancy.
One of my senior year classes was split up so the first semester was government and the second was econ. He had us make a budget based on a certain income and had us fill out tax sheets based on what income we pulled from a hat. Pretty cool teacher too, knew how to interact and not be biased, I don't know who he's voting for and we talked about it pretty much every school day
DemIce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We got taught all that, as well as forms of business and all that.
What they didn't teach was all the other stuff that the government (or non-government governing body, such as HOAs) throws at you that isn't as obvious. You should get life insurance. Your should get insurance for your pet (not the U.S., can't just bury them in your yard, there's rules to be followed). You should read on whether or not you need to clean the sidewalk in front of your house. Over in the U.S you might need to keep the area around the fire hydrant that's next to your plot of land clear of debris, snow, wildgrowth, etc.
It's stuff that you don't generally get taught, and nobody hands you a "Here's what to do in your life" package upon graduating. While I understand that the point of education is that by that time, you should know how to research exactly such things with critical thinking ("What happens if I die? Wait, who pays for my funeral? Oh, that's usually covered by life insurance? I guess I should get life insurance.") - but I'm guessing most people haven't critically thought about that fire hydrant and whose problem it is.
At my school if you were in "Horizons", which was for advanced students, we did a project in third or fourth grade where we got assigned different family types (I was a single mom with a son, other people had families of four or things like that) and we got an income and had to budget food and bills and write checks for a month. Only useful thing I've learned.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My feeling is make it possible for kids to learn these things in school, but don't force it upon them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I learned in 6th grade math how to make a living off of a wage for a family of four. We each got randomized professions and had to plan out how we would have a house, car, 2 children and still have money to pay bills. Mine was extremely fucking difficult since I was a waitress. My friend was a CEO.
Financial Literacy is required in to graduate in my state. I'm taking it right now and it's actually useful.
Meow99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter took "financial awareness" in high school. She learned a lot in that class. Now she is afraid of credit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much everyone learns about tax rates in math class, they're just jerking off instead of paying attention so they don't remember and then blame school for not telling them.
Otlot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In elementary school in my merit class (class for the 'gifted' students) we learned personal finance and practiced writing and balancing a checkbook. Im not sure it was very effective since I was a snot nosed kid at the time and didn't pay attention.
This was covered in my middle school home economics class. It also covered things like balancing a checkbook, which people used to do back when checks still roamed the earth.
My daughter's 5th grade class is learning budgeting. They get "money" for classroom jobs. They can buy things from the class store but must make sure they save enough to pay rent each month. If they can't make rent, they have to work during recess to earn more money. I think it's a great lesson.
Obviously not, if the teacher doesn't even understand basic tax law.
H_Floyd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you mean what you wrote, but this really should have /s.
Schools have been slandered for years on end, and it's really not OK anymore. Of course schools teach "usable life skills". If you're looking to blame someone for a bad upbringing, look no further than the tree from which the apple fell. All the good that teachers can do in 7 hours can be handily undone once they get home.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well if I made $5,000 more this year I'd get bumped into the next tax bracket and have to pay more tax so I'd actually end up taking less money home!"
Wait, this is what I've always heard/been taught. How does it work?
12tb ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 17:22:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This is simplified terms. Let's say the lowest tax bracket is up to $30,000 at 15%, and then the next tax bracket is from $30,001 to $50,000 at 20%, and the next bracket is from $50,001 to $70,000 at 25%, and it's 30% for anything over that. If you make $71,000, the first $30,000 will be taxed at 15%, the next $20,000 (from $30,001 to $50,000) will be taxed at 20%, the next $20,000 (from $50,001 to $70,000) will be taxed at 25%, and the last $1,000 will be taxed at 30%.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:22:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now I know what marginal means, too. Thank you.
Grim99CV ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:56:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, TIL. Now I have a better way to explain to people why making more does not mean less take home money.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:21:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I have a Masters degree. But my math is just bad. I'm applying to better-paying jobs (see how I use the hyphen correctly) and I thought I would take home about the same. Now I see more pay is better.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:42:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do people not understand this? Have they never filled out a tax return before?
SCB39 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:15:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most take a W2 to H&R Block or something. Very few people I have met really understand their taxes in any meaningful way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wow. Like, I get the convenience aspect (I've brought them in to a tax shop once when I was busy), but I think everyone should do their taxes at least once using the old-fashioned paper forms. They're really not that scary.
EDIT: Actually, here in Canada, I'm pretty sure your first return has to be done with the paper forms, not the online filing service - at least that was the case when I did my first return at 15.
SCB39 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First thing I did when I saw the thread turn this direction was skim for people who had no idea how their taxes work, because those people are everywhere. Crazy to me that people wouldn't figure out the details on how their yearly pay works, at a bare minimum. I can't talk about finer points of deductions like an accountant, but I can at least figure out how much my take-home is in a year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll note that I straight up said I don't know the entire tax code. What I know is basic info about progressive tax rates, because those directly affect me in daily budgeting.
So yeah I guess hooray for me? Really not that hard, is what my main point is.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're vastly overestimating the complexity of progressive tax rates.
Edit: Why so hostile? Doesn't make a ton of sense to be mad at someone else for putting effort into something. That's some "must fight nerds because learning is stupid" kind of silliness.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In what way are you "fucked" by taxes?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is literally impossible under the tax code of the United States. I linked you the IRS progressive tax rates above.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean dude it's basic math. I obviously don't have 50 years of your tax returns in front of me but there is no possible way that you received a raise that then resulted in you bringing home less money.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I mean this sincerely - you should find someone to talk to. The "nothing left to lose" statements are worrying, and you should take those thoughts seriously.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who understand progressive taxation? That's a weird thing to carve out a niche in hell for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is just a train of [deleted] posts for me - what was the guy saying?
SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There is a special place in Hell for people like you." Was the last comment. Basically the exchange was him being upset about taxes and that he was about to be homeless.
It was a weird conversation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Avoiding the second paragraph entirely, I don't think my posts are saying what you think they're saying. I'm not saying that you're stupid and thus paid more in taxes as a result (the topic of deductions has never come up in this dialogue). Instead I am saying that your misconceptions of tax law mean you're taking home more money than you think you are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I clarified where your misconception was on your other post.
evaned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it's totally 100% possible to go through your taxes with paper forms and never figure this out, at least in the US with incomes < $100K. (This is because to figure out your tax owed, you have to look up your taxable income in a table.)
It's not like even someone who is a little curious will run through the papers with a dozen different scenarios to compare how their takehome differs.
bibiane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I always thought it worked but people older than me who make more money than me insist it's wrong! I need to find a goddamn book about taxes!
skaikru8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but there are consequences on capital gains rates if you get moved up to a higher bracket. The lower brackets pay less on any kind of investment income but higher regular tax brackets get a higher rate applied to all of their investment income.
The lowest brackets are taxed 0% on long term investments, then the rest are at 15% except the highest which is at 20%
evaned ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While true, the capital gains brackets work the same way, and don't invalidate the principle.
In particular, it's not the case that if you're in a low bracket (0%, 10%, or 15% ordinary income bracket) where capital gains is taxed at 0% that all of your capital gains will necessarily be taxed at 0%. If you have enough capital gains that your sum total income reaches the 25% ordinary income bracket, then you'll be paying 15% capital gains rates above that amount.
For example, suppose that the 25% ordinary income (/15% capital gains bracket) starts at $50,000. If you make $45K in ordinary income and $10K in capital gains, you'll be paying 15% capital gains tax on $5K of that income. So if you make $49,999 and then go to $50,000, you don't suddenly pay 15% on all of your capital gains income, just the $1 that was taxed at 0% and is now taxed at 15%.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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evaned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I put the details there if you want to see it.
The important part shouldn't be hard to understand: capital gains works the same as ordinary income. Only the portion that falls above a certain bracket is taxed at that rate. Making more money can't make those brackets "jump" by more than the amount of your raise. You'll never take home less by making more because of the brackets, even taking capital gains into account.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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evaned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of three things are happening.
First, there are some edge cases with certain credits in particular where you can get disqualified for a credit faster than you can make up the loss. There, it's possible to lose by making more. But these are fairly rare, and have narrow bands of effects.
Second, you're getting caught up in changes in tax law.
Third, you don't know what you're doing.
But I assure you, from the standpoints of just the brackets themselves (and aside from common "micro" effects of less than $15 that occur because income of less than $100K is put into $25 or $50 buckets), the brackets don't work the way you think they work. Capital gains or no. If you're hitting something, it's not capital gains.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are earning a salary and your company is withholding taxes for you, you will have a smaller tax return if you have any additional earnings from stock options, dividends and capital gains.
Part of your salary is being withheld from you to pay income taxes, but the additional earnings usually aren't withheld so you have to pay those taxes at the end of the year resulting in a smaller tax return. If you make a lot of income that is not withheld you can owe taxes at the end of the year, but your net income will almost always be higher for every additional dollar you earn.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your tax return is literally a return on money you overpaid on taxes. A smaller return means you overpaid less on taxes, which is always a net positive as that overpay translates to giving the US government a small loan at 0% interest for a year or so instead of doing something productive on it.
In basic terms you ideally want to have a $0 tax return every year.
ricecake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's basically taxes for investments. "capital gains" essentially means that you made money by having money. Interest, stocks, selling property and the like.
The government collects little to no taxes on that form of income if you don't make a lot of money. This is one way they encourage the average person to save money for the future.
The tax rate on capital gains goes up as you make more money through conventional means.
An exception to this is if you make a large amount through capital gains. Then they start taxing it again, even if you have no other income.
This makes it so that a billionaire can't live tax free on their interest income.
Tl;dr: a guy making minimum wage is taxed less on his savings account than a guy pulling seven figures. If you have a billion in savings, you can't skip out on paying taxes on it by being unemployed.
As an example, you make 30k and pay 30% tax. That's 9k in tax. That leaves you with 21k.
You then get a raise, so now you make 35k. The next tax bracket starts above 30k and is 35%.
So, you pay 30% on the first 30k you make, which is still 9k. That leaves you with 35k - 30k = 5k for the next bracket. So you pay 35% on that 5k, which is 1.75k in tax.
So, for the 35k you pay 9k + 1.75k in tax, which is 10.75k. So you keep 24.25k. Which is 3.25k more than you made before the raise.
The misconception is that you pay 35% on all the 35k (12.25k), which would leave you with 22.75k, which incidentally is still more than you made before the raise.
Thank you so much for explaining this - I can't believe this isn't taught in schools or something? I really appreciate the example, makes perfect sense now.
Only the salary in the bracket gets taxed that brackets rate.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The higher tax only applies the money earned above the threshold. So only the 5k is taxed at that higher rate. Anything below that remains taxed at its regular levels. Net benefit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(Thank you HaHaHaris. I didn't want to ask.)
Huttj ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:36:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are some edge cases where this is actually true (though not due to tax brackets), but those are generally at the low income side of things. If, for example, your raise bumps you out of food stamp eligibility, you could easily wind up netting less than before.
Depending on other expenses, you might literally not be able to afford a raise.
Which is an incredibly sad situation to end up in. I read a story recently about a lady in my hometown becoming homeless, because she got a job and was kicked out of her subsidized housing for earning too much - before she'd received her first paycheck. The final insult was that to qualify for the subsidized housing, she had to prove she was applying for jobs.
Also, it depends on how your state income tax is set up. I've had friends on the lower end of the spectrum (full-time making $9-10 an hour) get a small raise and wind up taking home less money than they were before.
I'm sure that it evened out with a tax return, but it sure screws things up when your entire budget is screwed over by taking homeless money after a raise.
Huttj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, yeah, if they have their withholding set up incorrectly (whether by choice or by default for the company/state) that'd do it.
If you're getting a notable refund, you paid too much in withholding. A tax refund is like getting change from the cashier, except you paid the bill in installments over the course of the year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is true in certain instances where earning more pushes you over one or more of the income limits on common tax deductions or credits. Still, it's usually worth it unless it just barely pushes you over.
Could you explain how it does work? I honestly don't understand.
jmalbo35 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You only get taxed at the higher level on the money you made above that level.
So, using totally made up numbers, say there's a 0% tax rate up to $25,000, then 10% for $50,000, and 20% on everything else.
With a progressive tax like the one used in the US, everyone would pay 0% tax on their first $25,000 regardless of how much they make, then a 10% tax only on the next $25,000. So rather than paying $5,000 as someone making $50,000, they only pay $2,500, because taxes are progressive and their first $25,000 is taxed at a 0% rate. Someone making $100,000 in that system would then pay $12,500 (0 on the first 25k, 2500 on the next 25k, and 10,000 on the final 50k) rather than $20,000.
So let's say someone who was making $49,000 feared being bumped up to $51,000 because of the tax bracket change. On the $49,000 they would've been paying $2,400 in taxes (10% of the $24,000 above the 25k cutoff) for a take-home pay of $46,600. On $51,000 they'd be paying $2,700 in taxes (10% on the $25,000 over the 25k cutoff but under the 50k cutoff, and 20% on the $1,000 over the 50k cutoff) for a take-home pay of $48,300. Clearly they had nothing to fear, as they're still making more than they were previously.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I somehow understand this. He's saying if you get a raise the part over the earlier bracket will be hit harder. If it takes you into another, higher bracket. I'm so glad I'm finally learning about taxes. It's like this: Earn a little, they take some. Earn more, they take more, but only from the part that isn't the part that they didn't take that much from before you worked harder.
I knew this would be confusing, but it's happened to me.
Ok, imagine I'm working 40 hours a week, and effectively working $1 an hour, and I'm taxed 10% of my wages at the end of each week. I'd get $36 dollars to take home, and each hours work would provide me with 90c.
Then I get a second job, work 10 hours over the weekend at $1 an hour, but now I'm over the lower tax limit, and anything over $40 a week is taxed at 20%. Each extra hour I work is now only worth 80c.
So I'm working more hours, I'm tired, losing a weekend, and the hours I'm working are giving me less to take home than my weekday hours.
Yes, I have more money overall, but the extra effort is providing me less than the previous efforts, and my quality of life is taking a hit too.
Those percentages are pretty drastically exaggerated regarding the jump in tax burden for lower earners. Even then, you are only being taxed an overall 12%.
But you are making a full 25% more. And still taking home 22% more.
Let's put some slightly more real pay in there, but keep your tax brackets.
$20/hr x 40hrs = $800/week
$800 - 10% = $720
$20/hr x 10hrs = $200/week
$200 - 20% = $160/week extra take home.
$160 week extra when you are making $720 isn't a bad little chunk. That's over $600 a month.
Truth is, tax burdens aren't what is hurting the working class. Basically, if a large personal tax bill is a big concern, you don't really have many concerns to begin with. Besides, I like paying taxes. Roads and emergency services and schools and such are nice things to have.
Edit: I'm a pretty low-budget person, myself, so this isn't coming from a place of comfort with no experience in working my ass off for little return.
Again, it's not taxes that hurt us, it's the nature of the modern economy in general.
Nothing I said was being anti taxes, I agree with you that they're a vital way to pay for things society needs.
The comment was more to point out that if you're working hard, and discover that working more doesn't bring in the same proportion of pay, then you may reconsider doing those extra hours. It depends what you value your time at. The hit to your take-home pay at the higher tax rate may not be worth getting out of bed for.
Put another way, normally when you work extra hours you can expect higher pay per hour due to overtime. My example had a lower hourly rate, so it's less inviting.
That's not the tax man's fault. That's up to you. You are the one saying "Is this worth it." If it's not, then why do it?
It's a complicated issue, but this specific example is more of a mental issue than anything. The tax issue is just an easy scapegoat when you feel cheated by the realities oc today's economy.
[deleted] ยท 252 points ยท Posted at 16:45:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of times I hear (using fake numbers here) "if I make $59,999 and am taxed at 30% why would I ever want a raise to $60,000 and have to pay 35%? You're discouraging people from making money!!" Is quite ridiculous.
I've had people older (and younger) than I am tell me that if I work too much overtime I'll lose it all to a higher tax rate when I jump to a higher bracket... I'm over 40. The number of people who don't grasp this basic concept astounds me.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:39:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the problem is the way most tax forms are designed.
The Canadian one asks you to fill out the bracket fitting your gross income. To most people, this looks like your entire income is at the higher bracket, despite that the higher bracket asks you specifically to subtract the lower bracket off...
draygo ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:13:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've tried to explain it as well. It is hard to get them to grasp that they would literally be paying $.35 more in taxes due to that $1 raise. Usually the response I get is, "Oh you're asian, so you're good at math"
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:05:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even true with tax credits. They get phased out slowly, between $37k-$51k and is based on a percentage. If you went from getting max credit, to no credit, it means you're income increased $15-20k~ and you shouldn't really miss the 5-6k credit. So you still end up as a net positive, no matter what.
The point of credits is to make it easier for low income, but since it phases out by % it's not like "I made 5k more, so I lost the 5k credit!" It's more like "I made 5k more to kick out my credit, so I lost my 1k credit since I made enough to only get a 1k credit."
If a 4.5k difference wiped out more than the extra money you made in that year, how do you describe yourself getting paid more and your wife getting a nice job when those two factors combined only added less than 4.5k to your yearly income? It sounds like you didn't get paid more and she worked like ten hours a week.
Or are you talking about your raises from the year before, which you didn't describe? In that case, it seems like you had several years of improving your situation where you still got a sizable return, rather than the return gradually getting smaller over the course of those few years.
Income tax returns are not a good thing. Getting an income tax return means that you had more money withheld from your pay in the previous year than you owed. Essentially, you gave the government a $6k interest-free loan that first year.
The size of your return also doesn't relate to your tax burden for the year. While it's probably not the case for you, you can easily get a larger return in a year you paid more taxes if you're not careful, especially if you have irregular earnings like bonuses or high-paying work that only lasts part of the year.
Next year, try using the IRS withholding calculator some time early in the year to get an idea of how much you'll owe, and plan your W4 allowances accordingly. That way, you'll get the $6k or $1.5k throughout the year in the form of lower withholdings from your paychecks. You can then use it as you need it during the year, instead of waiting on the IRS to pay you back in April 2018.
Honestly, if your credits are pushing you into a negative tax liability, you shouldn't be paying anything during the year. No income tax withheld at all.
But it doesn't sound like that's what's happening.
Hey, I'm still a student - I've been working since I was 16 (20 now) but I've never had a job that makes enough to put me in a tax bracket before. Sorry for being ignorant, but I was only asking.
Thank you! I know I need to learn this stuff, but it's hard knowing where to start. I wish tax returns etc were covered in school - it's a bit embarassing to not know that stuff as an adult. Thank you for explaining it :)
Thank you! I appreciate your non-judgemental response :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do people really say that? no way
Caedro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But in your example, you would be taking home less. I think I understand your point, but don't think I fully understood the example.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 35% you pay is applied to any money you make over $59,999, not to the whole amount.
Caedro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for explaining that.
CptNoble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister complains about how much she loses when she puts in a lot of overtime. "It's just not worth it!" She never complains about the large EITC refund she gets every year, though. I gave up long ago trying to explain these things to family. It's not worth it.
In high school, a classmate tried to tell me that the tax code discouraged people from earning more. Years later, when did my own taxes the first few times, I figured out what me meant. For certain income levels you would take your deductions and exemptions, then up the taxable income in a table and find the total tax. If you made, for example, $12,001 to $12,025, you paid $535, and if you made $12,026, it jumped to $541 (totally made up numbers). So if you made one more dollar, it cost you $7 in tax.
Not sure if it's still that way, I use software and an accountant.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:57:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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evaned ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:24:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not true broadly, but the specific example /u/marzolian mentions is. Despite the rates being quoted as 15% or 25% or whatever, the actual tax you pay, up to $100,000, are really divided into $25 or $50 buckets, and at the border of those buckets there's the regressive nature. But we're talking about drops of single digit dollar amounts here, so as soon as you earn $10 more you're back in the green.
I cannot believe how many people think this. It always comes up when you talk about the top tax brackets and how much higher they used to be. YOU MEAN THEY PAID 90% OF WHAT THEY MADE TO TAXES? No you fucking idiot. The fact is, it's in the best interests of Republicans for people NOT to understand this because it makes all their tax arguments so much better when people fundamentally don't understand how it works.
Let's say that you are making $49999 a year, and are getting taxed at 25% where the tax bracket is at $50000 (so you're paying ~12500 in taxes). Now let's say you get a raise of $2, so you're making $50001 per year, and you're told your tax rate is now 33%. You are not about to start paying $16666 in taxes- you're going to pay your usual 12.5K, plus the 33% tax on the dollar you're making over $50000 (in this case, 33 cents)
You're telling me that someone who makes $50001 should be taxed at 35% while someone who makes $49999 should be taxed at 25%? (hypothetical numbers, but do you see the problem here?)
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:27:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if you run a sole-priority business, any business profit/expense and business deductions are balanced against your personal income tax. Such as, a family owned restaurant would can write off the cost of ovens, tables, and steel for building an expansion/renovation... and then deduct that expense over a few years.
Donald Trump runs a few multi-billion businesses as sole-proprieties. He does the same thing, but buying airlines and building golfcourses. That particular year (and once before that) it's known he wound up with a few hundred million in deductible expenses. Which, offset against his income over numerous years, resulted in his taxes having little to no taxable income.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:44:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the deduction Trump used was not only legal, but extremely common. A LOT of businesses use that deduction. I don't like Trump, but that tax scandal was dumb.
PWR_BTTM ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:48:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think part of the controversy revolves around the fact that he won't release his tax returns.
I think the reason he doesn't want to release it is that it'll show just how in the pocket of foreign interests he is, due to how much of his money is from overseas.
If he had to fill out an SF-86 (to get security clearance) with that much foreign influence in his income he'd likely not get cleared.
He is still right because most people arent incorporated. Most people just need a standard deduction
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not sure only the 1% are incorporated, since well over the top 1% of the population owns incorporated businesses.
Beegrene ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are upset that it was legal in the first place. A big part of Bernie Sanders' platform was that the ultra-rich play by different rules and don't pay their fair share. Trump not paying taxes just reinforces that point.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This tax deduction can be taken by ANY sized incorporated business posting losses. It's a forward deduction meant to incentivize businesses into continuing to grow even after ending in losses one year. A local business pulling in 1 million a year could do this, and probably does, not just the ultra rich.
But this media has shown me how much in the pocket of Hillary the media is.
I mean, a lot of horrendous allegations are true about Trump.
But a huge amount of those circulating the media right now are probably fakes and fabrications.
Hillary also smeared Gary Johnson pretty hard 2 weeks ago constantly.
The way I think of this election. Trump crossed a line in his speeches and rhetoric.
Hillary crossed the line from her use of the media in the way she is using it.
She is making legitimate things look bad on top of the bad stuff as well, and that sits very wrong with me. Will not vote for that whore or that orange buffoon.
there are tons of things that a normal person can get written off or at least get a deduction for on their taxes. The real difference is that the 1% are able to hire extremely good tax attorneys who can find and take advantage of every 'loophole.'
evaned ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is an oversimplification. I think there are at least three things going on, and being able to hire expensive tax lawyers is probably the least important of the three.
The two other things that I think are important are (ii) what businesses can deduct, and (iii) a category of deductions that are technically available to everyone but in effect you typically need to be reasonably wealthy before they apply to you.
Example of (ii). And note that this definitely isn't just the 1% and actually there are quite a few lower-income people who own businesses -- in addition to what would typically come to mind, this would include people working as 1099 contractors, for example.
Suppose you want to take a vacation to Miami.
If you're most people, you take a vacation to Miami.
If you're a business owner, you could look for a conference or trade show or something being held in Miami and go to that. This could probably be justified as an "ordinary and necessary" business expense -- which means congratulations, much of your Miami vacation is now deductible.
I don't know how much this is actually done, especially outside of sole proprietorship, but this is a deduction that most people just flat out don't have access to even with the best tax lawyer.
Example of (iii). The effect of donating to charity appreciated assets rather than cash. This is an example that, if I'm honest with myself, I think counts as a loophole and probably ought to be closed; even though there's a reasonable chance I'll take advantage of it in the future if it's not.
Some background in case anyone doesn't know about how capital gains taxes works. Suppose you buy something (stocks and real estate are the most common places you see this applied, but it really applies for most "something"s), it increases in value, and then you sell it for an amount more than you paid. You owe capital gains tax on the difference between the purchase price (called the "basis") and the sale price. So for example, if you buy $2500 in shares of GOOG and later sell it for $5000 and your capital gains rate is 15%, you'll owe 15% of ($5000 - $2500) = $375.
(This is an oversimplification because other things can add or subtract from the basis, but that's pretty irrelevant for this discussion.)
Suppose I have that $5000 in GOOG with a $2500 basis, and suppose I want to donate $5000 to some charity, say Doctors Without Borders.
One thing I could do is give $5000 cash to MSF. Boom, goal accomplished: MSF is $5000 richer. And come tax time, I get to deduct that $5000 donation. (Modulo caveats about needing to itemize and such; let's say I can take full advantage of the charitable deduction.)
But thanks to a loophole, there's actually something better-for-me that I can do. Instead of giving $5000 cash to MSF, I give my $5000 of GOOG stock to MSF (who presumably proceeds to sell it and again, has $5000; in particular they won't owe capital gains tax). I then use the $5K in cash that I would have given MSF to buy another $5K in GOOG. I get to deduct the fair market value of the donation -- so the full $5000.
At first glance, it looks like I haven't really done anything. I have $5000 less cash because I used that to purchase the stock. I still get my $5000 deduction. I still have $5000 in GOOG shares. But look at my cost basis -- now I paid $5000 for those shares instead of $2500. This means that if I sell that stock in a couple years' time, my basis is higher and I'll pay less in capital gains tax.
This is a loophole that hypothetically anyone can do, but it really only applies at higher incomes:
You need to be able to deduct charitable donations (most people can't productively do this because they don't itemize)
You need to be subject to a non-zero rate of capital gains tax (I'm pretty sure the median household is in the 0% capital gains bracket)
You need to have appreciated assets that you can donate instead of cash (I suspect for most people, anything like this is wrapped up in a retirement account like an IRA or 401(k) where this doesn't apply)
(And FWIW, while I'd want to see some evidence as to what kind of effect this would have if I were in a position where I was able to possibly affect policy, what I'd like to see in this case is the charitable deduction to be reduced by the capital gains tax that would be owed if the asset were sold, which I'm about 99% sure doesn't currently happen.)
Because only, like, the top 1% have medical or dental expenses, pay interest on house loans, make a charitable contribution, buy things they need to do their job, or lose property due to a disaster or theft all of which are a 'loophole' because they are deductible.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't loopholes if they're legal. Martha Stewart was put in prison for loopholes, Trump hasn't.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:37:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was put in prison for tax evasion and insider trading. I guess she thought she could get away with the insider trading if she never reported it on her taxes. But if the irs can bring down Capone, they can bring down Martha Stewart.
That's not what "loopholes" means - being legal makes it tax avoidance rather than tax evasion. Martha Stewart was convicted of insider trading, which isn't about tax, but using knowledge not available to the public to make money from share price changes.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what it means. Not only did he follow the law on what was needed for taxes, he probably hired several dozen very good accountants that also followed the law to pay taxes as needed. It's silly to call out shenanigans when he did nothing wrong.
evaned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly not what it means... a loophole is a loophole precisely because it's legal. If it's illegal, it ceases to be a loophole, it's just a crime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Tax loopholes in general? Or reporting a near billion dollar loss, using it avoid paying federal income tax, running for President on your business acumin [sic] and representation of the "everyman" and then hiding the whole thing behind an audit which has absolutely no bearing on disclosure?
I thought the conversation had moved on to "what's a tax loophole?" 'cause someone very clearly didn't understand, but I guess we're still on Trump?
papker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't "why". That is "how".
formgry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He most likely did, when I was taught tax bracket they immediatly followed it up by saying that the higher tax bracket doesn't get applied to your whole salary.
c3534l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it just not operating loss carryforward? Not exactly a loophole.
No? He had a huge amount of operating loss for a while, and he was allowed carry it forward until he had made money, on the net, again.
That part's fair. The disgrace is his losing that much money in the first place.
evaned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That part's fair.
Eh, that's somewhat debatable. I think capital loss carryforward is a good thing in general, but I'm not convinced you should be able to carry forward indefinitely. My general reaction is that maybe a limit of 3 years or 5 years would be good, though I'd want to see some evidence if I were actually in Congress or something.
Companies should be able to go through a rough patch and not be "penalized" for it, but I'm also not convinced we should be, at some level, subsidizing incompetently-run ones.
Edit: It's also worth pointing out that if you buy something expensive that has a long expected life, what you don't do (typically? I'm only somewhat passively familiar with these rules) is deduct the entire cost in the year you buy it and then use capital loss carryforward to spread the cost out over years. Instead, you depreciate the cost of the asset over its expected life, taking a smaller deduction every year. These are vaguely similar in the sense that they can spread the cost of a purchase across years, but there are some important differences. And the depreciation schedule wouldn't be affected by my "proposal."
Not really. I dunno if its different in the US but in the UK the biggest loophole is pretty easy to understand.
An individual paid a wage of ยฃ100k will be taxed 40%. If that same individual owned a limited company and paid themselves the minimum wage (0% tax) + dividends (untaxed) to make up the difference. They would only pay 20% tax (as corporation tax).
So by having their own company they can halve their tax bill.
It doesn't really pay for itself until you're making enough to cover things like accountancy fees but ยฃ100k via your own company is a LOT better than employment.
Employment:
ยฃ100k gross = ยฃ60k net (in your pocket)
Self Employed Limited Company:
ยฃ100k gross = ยฃ80k net - ยฃ2k accountant fees = ยฃ78k in your pocket
ยฃ18k difference per year
Thats the absolute basic. Without using any company tax loopholes. You can cut your corporation tax down to almost 0% with other methods.
user1492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. corporate tax rate is 35% and the top bracket is 39%. The dividends from the company would be taxed at least 10%, and 15% for someone like Trump.
evaned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dividends from the company would be taxed at least 10%, and 15% for someone like Trump.
You're off a bit. The effective capital gains rates in the US are 0%, 15%, 18.8% (15% plus the 3.8% net investment income tax), 20%, and 23.8% (20%+3.8%).
(Actually I'm not sure the 20% bracket is a thing; I don't see how you can be subject to that and not the NII tax; so probably drop that from the list.)
(Also, you can have unqualified dividends that would be taxed at income rates, up to 39.6%.)
Maulfa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Individuals typically pay tax on dividends in the UK
user1492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would that comment give you pause? Do you not understand the difference between wealth and income?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gave me pause because I was surprised this student had picked up on that being in the news, and actually made a connection to what we were doing in class.
CBruce ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:45:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you explained that it's because people are taxed on income, not wealth. And there are a lot of deductions and exemptions in the tax code to encourage investments and businesses rather than just socking money away in a savings account where it doesn't benefit the economy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Close. It's so they don't just spend it on consumption. If they put it in a savings account, that doesn't hurt the economy in any way.
CBruce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If by consumption you mean buying shit, then that's money being put back into the economy, buying goods and services, helping create jobs. On top of state/local usesge taxes.
Otherwise, I'm not sure what you mean by consumption.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Consumption doesn't create jobs. Putting money into the economy doesn't create jobs. If you take money out of the economy, the only thing that happens is that prices go down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During the course of this election I have had to explain what a progressive tax system is to an embarrassing amount of adults. The youtubers The Vlog Brothers recently made a video explaining it (as well as the two candidates plans) so now I just send people that.
Impressive! Can you teach me? I'm 25, so I'll buy you a bottle of wine as a grateful thanks lol.
Ariel125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can we also talk about how many JOBS and how much risk Donald Trump takes on by owning businesses, something that directly helps the economy? It's okay he didn't pay anything in my book.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One student raised their hand and asked "if Donald Trump is so rich, then how come he doesn't pay taxes?
Did you answer them?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was before "because I'm smart" and it was before the NYT article about his 900+million dollar loss. So, I just said "well we don't know what he does or doesn't pay yet." And briefly explained what a tax return was.
See, even a 12 year old is more educated than Trump supporters who don't believe anything bad about him
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Sooooo, why am I getting downvoted? I was implying that Trump supporters are stupid, and Trump doesn't pay taxes. Why the hate? I was not talking about the specifics of tax law, which most people don't understand anyway.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
more educated than trump supporters
While proving that you don't know much about tax laws.
He has basically admitted that he doesn't pay taxes, and people that disagree are either ignorant or love that racist prick so much they don't care. He legally exploited a law that allows him to not pay that specific tax. Obviously you support Trump so anything I say to you doesn't matter, because you won't accept it as truth.
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Also he is a racist, a sexist, an Islamophobic, etc, etc, ETC.
He is a bad person. Just because he legally exploited the laws does not make it right.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually do understand the example. Also, I dislike Clinton. You are obviously the type of person that like to put other people down while not admitting to your own faults. Don't speak to me again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is pretty obvious evidence he is racist, just watch anything he says. I am not one of those people I just don't feel like typing anymore. I have more important things to do than argue with ignorant people
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously you want to drag this out
I just don't care anymore so plz shut it
xxFiaSc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sooooo, why am I getting downvoted? I was implying that Trump supporters are stupid, and Trump doesn't pay taxes. Why the hate?
The point of my comment was that he does pay taxes genius. Property taxes, sales taxes, corporate taxes, payroll taxes, etc. Just not specifically on his income because of a common deduction that many people use. The NYTimes that published the story used the very same deduction. The hate is because you're calling Trump supporters stupid yet you don't know these basic issues. You'd be at home in r/politics though lol.
I am actually a very informed person, however I am human and with all the issues of today I cannot keep track of everything. I will look up the article. But if you disagree with someone, don't put them down and act like you are better. Explain why they are wrong. Also, you said in your original comment that he pays other taxes. How would I know you were saying that he does pay them? Genius.
xxFiaSc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:54 on October 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if you disagree with someone, don't put them down and act like you are better.
Ahh projection at it's finest. If you disagree with Trump supporters, you shouldn't put them down and act like your better. Explain why they are wrong. See what I did there?
Also, you said in your original comment that he pays other taxes. How would I know you were saying that he does pay them?
Because I said that he pays them lol. Not sure what you are asking.
torik0 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like a /r/forwardsfromgrandma. Pretty sure you made this up just to shout out "muh no taxes".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Believe it or not it really did happen. I try very hard to not put my political agenda in the classroom, so, I made no subjective comment about it, but a student did really ask.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude if you are this concerned about your incoherent ramblings being heard that you'll post it 3 times and counting, just tweet it at 3am instead.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JodyFuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sees more like you're triggered, princess.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:40:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JodyFuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:32 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in 5th grade (1999-2000) it was right when Bush was running for office and our teacher, a creepy weird BMX lady, told us to tell our parents not to vote Bush because he wanted to save and preserve Idaho's forests and she wouldn't be able to tear through the trails on her ATV and motorcycle. She said this multiple times throughout the year.
When I repeated this to my mom she was like "uh... she shouldn't be telling you that... she can get fired for that." Now that I'm older I can see what a big red flag that was.
skiddie2 ยท 1107 points ยท Posted at 16:31:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What's the logic there? She thought Gore was more likely to bring about clear-cutting and the destruction of the national park system?
[deleted] ยท 912 points ยท Posted at 17:15:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was half expecting actual tree sex, but I was disappointed by the substantial stoner ass on this sub. I shall strive to stop being disappointed by the ass.
And this slide is not a graph, it's a picture of me flipping off some tress. Fuck those tress.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like him
[deleted] ยท 530 points ยท Posted at 16:48:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously I'm pretty sure gore would have whole heartedly agreed about preserving forests and tossed in some fun anti atv pollution regulations to boot.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Nader too!
jsmoo68 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Silly regulations. Who cares if ATVs are more polluting than semi trucks.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:48:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more of the scale of the problem. Semi's doing millions of miles a day combined are going to cause much more damage and have much more room and weight carrying capacity to support environmentally conscience equipment. Atv's generally are something you enjoy after work or on the weekends and there are much fewer operating a much smaller fraction of time per day. Semi trucks have to run to support the economy so they will be bought regardless of strangling regulations. People won't buy atv's if all the fun is sucked out through over regulation
I agree about the scale. But you'd be surprised just how much pollution comes out of a small Diesel engine. Carbon aside, it's more polluting than a semi per hour used according to my environmental engineering brother.
She might have thought Gore was going to ban off-roading in national parks or she though a man with a plant name was obviously the better conservationist.
I have no clue. She was a really weird teacher and besides this weird tirade she'd go on I also got a really unsettling vibe from her, especially now when I look back on her. She also taught us some things wrong and stole/lost some of my stuff (confiscated for playing with and then denying she had it later). She also had some sort of tourette's/facial tics that really freaked me out because it was so distracting for me who notices that kind of stuff.
Anyway yeah, I got on a tangent but logic didn't appear to be strong with her.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like there might actually have been something to it:
When he was secretary of the Interior under then-President George W. Bush, former Idaho Gov. Dirk Kempthorne worked on plans to declare two new national monuments in Idaho - the Boulder-White Clouds Mountains in central Idaho and Mesa Falls in eastern Idaho, reports the Idaho Statesman's Rocky Barker, and looked at others as well. Now there's new interest possible monument designations in Idaho, Barker reports, though Congressman Mike Simpson, who long has worked on wilderness legislation for the Boulder-White Clouds, prefers his bill to a presidential designation. Click below for a full report from Barker and the AP.
Preserving the national parks means less access for ATVs and motorized bikes on off-road trails. No BMX fun! Stupid national monuments, sacred Native American sites, and wildlife preservation efforts! /s
Oh I never knew that haha. Yeah she was a motorcycle racer and everything.
And yes my parents love to camp at this place in the Idaho mountains where there is a hot spring pool and some trails (it's called Silver Creek Plunge). Lately the motorbikes are going from dawn till dusk, annoying my quiet-loving parents.
This teacher was all about keeping those open. One of her arguments was that her grandpa or whoever had a hip replacement and so he couldn't ride a horse or a motorcycle, only an ATV.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fine with responsible ATV riders, but there are so many a-holes out there. And if that were true, I'm sure he could get some kind of mobility exception for his disability.
They recently removed a large part of the boulder white cloud area for bike usage. Makes doing the castle peak climb a bit tougher. And if you get injured it's a lot easier to get someone out on a bike than having to carry them out
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I am pretty sure the rules do not apply to emergency vehicles.
They don't but when you're in too deep for cell range and don't have an emergency beacon handy you gotta hope someone out there is going to come along and help you out.
Happened to some people last year. Dude broke his leg in three places and they met some bikers who helped them out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was actually 100 feet from the summit of Castle Peak
Xertz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what do you mean "especially on non motorized trails" so also fuck legal motorized trail users?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, fuck the assholes who wreak havoc off-trails. Sorry for the bad wording.
Our province had to pass a law banning motorized vehicles above the alpine line it is/was so bad.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:28:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bush wanted to save and protect forests? Are we thinking of the same Bush?!
theg33k ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:12:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bush did a lot for our national parks. This is one of those ideas people get in their heads due to their personal biases that just doesn't match up with reality. Another example is funding science. Republicans generally fund science to a greater level because they know that's the backbone of the economy. But people think they don't because of things like not specifically funding fetal stem cell research.
If you ask people in general who was the first president to ban stem cell research and who was the first to fund it, they are very likely to say that Bush banned it, and Obama funded it first, neither of which are true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot for our national parks, but significant environmental damage in other areas. One right doesn't rectify a thousand wrongs.
theg33k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually he did quite a bit of positive work on the environment. The worst thing Bush did was not sign the Kyoto Protocol, which would've required massive reductions in our CO2 emissions right as we were about to enter what was to become the 2nd worst recession in our nation's history. I get long term success vs short term gains arguments, but in a world where the economy is collapsing all around you it's simply not politically feasible to do things like curb oil drilling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, I wasn't aware of this! True, I agree that it may not have been politically his best move, but I think a lot of politicians underestimate the amount of economic benefit that could come from alternative energy infrastructure
capnpitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Bush knew in 2000, when he first opposed Kyoto, about the economic collapse in 2008, he should have done a hell of a lot more than reject the treaty.
theg33k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2000-ish is when the tech bubble was bursting. Then after 9/11 we floated along for a little while because of war spending and incredibly low interest rates, the latter of which was at least in part why the housing bubble got so big before it burst.
I don't remember Bush's policies on it or campaign promises, but he might have wanted to sell ID's public land or close it off to certain uses. A huge percent of ID is public land.
That's what she was implying. I was too young to know the difference lol
Mkayin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know its crazy but a lot of conservatives believe in conservation. Teddy Roosevelt was a great conservative.
PWR_BTTM ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is not even remotely true. All you have to look at is the Sierra Club's congressional ratings to see the disparity between Republicans and Democrats. Conservatives are far more likely to support non-renewable energy like petroleum and coal and far less likely to support conservation efforts for public lands.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because national forests were designed to be used for their resources, but in a manageable way.
There is a lot of oil and gas underneath federal lands. Not extracting it is a waste of free money.
At the same time, oil and gas extraction doesn't really effect the forest.
There is a big difference between national forests and the national park system.
PWR_BTTM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because national forests were designed to be used for their resources, but in a manageable way.
And many conservative politicians promote non-manageable harvesting, such as mountain top removal and fracking.
There is a lot of oil and gas underneath federal lands. Not extracting it is a waste of free money.
Sure, if it can be done responsibly. If not, that "free money" comes at the cost of sustainable forest management. There is also a concerted effort by many conservatives in Western states to remove any federal protection from these lands, putting public lands in to private hands specifically because they don't want the protections that come with federal management.
At the same time, oil and gas extraction doesn't really effect the forest.
Fracking can wreak terrible havoc on the environment, as can gas pipelines, and that is not to mention coal, strip/open-pit mining. Then of course there is climate change which is perpetuated by oil, gas and coal production, which causes direct harm to these forests.
There is a big difference between national forests and the national park system.
True, although plenty of conservatives would rather neither designation exist.
I don't agree with that. Especially since the EPA and USGS have reiterated they've given fracing the green light.
I happen to have worked in federal lands oil and gas extraction for 2 internships (Western Colorado & Eastern Utah) and have lived in a heavily fraced area of the country (Denver, Colorado).
Guess what, there was no harm in any of those regions from fracing. In fact, the native tribes who partly own the land: the Ute and Ouray tribes are the wealthiest Native American groups in the US.
I may be overreaching by saying there was no harm: truck traffic, increased population, and development of housing onto habitat were the largest costs of this activity.
Costs...which were well worth the benefit to Americans and the local population.
People have this disconnected myth of what fracing is and what it actually does. You've been fed mostly half truths and outright lies by "concerned interests" into this fairly mundane process.
It has issues in Oklahoma, but those aren't federal lands.
In fact, it takes 7 months for a well to be permitted in federal lands: the BLM and EPA do a pretty exhaustive environmental impact study.
And can you tell me what havoc gas pipelines do to the environment?
PWR_BTTM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree with that. Especially since the EPA and USGS have reiterated they've given fracing the green light.
And both of these organizations have been known to give the pass to processes that, although possible to due without catastrophic damage, often cause damage due to bad practice. Either way, there have been numerous cases of fracking causing serious groundwater pollution as well as there generally not being enough environmental testing and oversight of these operations.
Guess what, there was no harm in any of those regions from fracing.
Just because it has happened in Pennsylvania and not Colorado does not mean that it'll never happen.
the native tribes who partly own the land: the Ute and Ouray tribes are the wealthiest Native American groups in the US.
This is irrelevant -- economic gain often goes hand-in-hand with environmental degradation.
truck traffic, increased population, and development of housing onto habitat were the largest costs of this activity.
Considering the infrastructure it takes to haul countless millions of gallons of water to remote locations, that is no small cost.
Costs...which were well worth the benefit to Americans and the local population.
If you are most concerned with access to immediately exploitable forms of energy that reinforce control of gas and power companies that fight heavily against regulations and renewable, alternative forms of energy, then yes.
People have this disconnected myth of what fracing is and what it actually does. You've been fed mostly half truths and outright lies by "concerned interests" into this fairly mundane process.
I'm not going to say there haven't been mistruths, but that does not excuse the very legitimate and realized concerns regarding fracking.
In fact, it takes 7 months for a well to be permitted in federal lands: the BLM and EPA do a pretty exhaustive environmental impact study.
Do I need to list how many "EPA approved and certified" projects have resulted in massive environmental catastrophes? I can name some real doozies from just the past couple years.
And can you tell me what havoc gas pipelines do to the environment?
Besides perpetuating climate change? Check this out beginning on page 6.
And of course, this is just getting into the nitty gritty. Fracking is small potatoes compared to a lot of practices many conservatives (and an unfortunate number of Democrats) promote.
A handful of cases of indirect contamination do not make a process that has been done millions of times equated to "wrecking havoc".
Your second point.
Colorado is a state used to O&G development, strict regulations have made it so fracing has caused little additional harm other than normal industrial activity.
Your 3rd point.
We don't haul water in Colorado Wattenberg/DJ or the field I worked at in Utah. Water is gathered at a central facility and piped to each well pad which needs water. This water is was a combination of stream water and brine from subsurface.
Your 4th point.
Well, either you pick coal or natural gas. Humans need energy and we need it now.
It's not up to you to decide who invests in pipelines or not. This isn't a command economy.
I find this position hilarious. You want to stop natural gas pipelines, which has very minimal economic damage, yet you want access to cheap cleaner energy (compared to coal).
RollaSk8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure Teddy was more conservationist than conservative. Especially when he ran as a third party candidate.
That happens everywhere. When I was in elementary school all the teachers were indoctrinating the kids against [Provincial Party in Power] because they were threatening to take a hard line against teachers.
I know it does but at least some teachers are more subtle or tell their opinion but don't present it like a swaying argument. I can see why something that could affect teachers would be on their mind though.
Yeah she did BMX racing and everything! She also looooved camping and riding in the mountains. iirc she also rode horses. Like I'm surprised she lived in Boise with how rugged she was.
Edit: TIL that BMX is bikes, not motorbikes. She very much raced motorcycles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol that is fucking weird
ABCeeJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similar issue happened to my teacher in high school. We'll one of the other parents were a little less forgiving then ours were. Idk what ever happened to that incident but that teacher hopefully doesn't give out political advice to children anymore
This lady was clearly nuts if she rides moto but also rides quads
doom32x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I had a social studies teacher in our American History year in 2002-3, he also happened to be the assistant football coach/ defensive coordinator. He would always praise Bush and the push to Iraq. He also was a horrible at teaching American History, my favorite subject since I was a little kid and what ended up getting my BFA in. I would get him beet red with a vein popping out of his forehead,. He would then insist he was right because he was an adult. I never accepted that premise. Drove his ass crazy.
ZabaZuu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously I wasn't there, but that definitely sounds like something someone would say jokingly. Maybe she had a super serious tone every time she said it, idk. Pretty pathetic reasoning and incredibly selfish if she meant it.
Haha no she was dead serious. Like she stopped the lesson to go on this 10 minute thing multiple times. She definitely implied that Bush was a bad bad man.
It should be pretty clear by some of my other posts but Treasure Valley
McWaddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, I sat next to a red-blooded 'Murrica woman in a community college Science class. Our instructor was something of a ski-bum hippie, but a trained scientist.
We were doing environmental-themed projects, and her presentation was about how pissed she was that some endangered flower was threatening her family's favorite area for riding their quads. They weren't going to be able to go riding anymore in their favorite spot because of some fucking stupid plant.
He just sat there during the presentation, mouth slightly agape. It was more fun watching him react than it was to watch her.
Back in the land before internet I was 10 and the election for president was between Carter, Reagan, and Anderson my elementary school class had a "kid" election. I never understood the point and years later I still don't. They didn't teach us anything about the candidates so we were literally parroting what our parents and TV (remember only like 5 channels at most back then and we probably listened to our favorite radio stations more than anything else).
I got selected to be one of the two 'Vote Counters" and the entire thing was done anonymously with us kids writing our vote on a piece of paper, folding it in half, and then dropping it into a basket or trash can for counting.
After we counted the votes Reagan won by about the same margin that he ended up winning the presidency by. And there was one, single vote for Anderson.
I was always curious and liked to learn so as a ten year old I can honestly say that I don't think I was asking this to single out the weird person and mock them. For me a single vote in a room of 26 kids or so was an aberration and I wanted to identify it and learn from it. I think. It's been awhile. But I was never the kid who made fun of people so I think that's right.
Anyway the teacher blathered on about some stuff that I don't remember and then let us ask some questions. When that died out she asked one last time "does anyone have any more questions?" and I raised my hand and she called on me (I was still cleaning up the votes as one of the two official counters so I was ostensibly standing before the class) and I blurted out "Who voted for Anderson?"
Now the teacher to her credit headed that off at the pass right away. And I was embarrassed to be sort of dressed down in asking an inappropriate question (I did not understand the value of the anonymity of a vote at the time... ten). I have never forgotten that embarrassment. It wasn't the first time I was humiliated in front of people but I loathed the feeling and have spent much of my life trying to mitigate and avoid it. You would think it would make me avoid public speaking but on the contrary I'm quite good at it and quite comfortable with it. When I'm speaking I have control so that works fine for me.
But I have always wished that the kid who voted for Anderson had sidled up to me at recess or something and made contact just to talk about his/her decision. I imagine the kid was probably mortified when I asked him/her to identify themselves... or maybe he/she was precocious with a parent that educated him/her on 3rd party issues and why Anderson was a better candidate than those offered by the two major parties. I don't know. But all these years later I still wish that I had had that conversation with whomever that kid was.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol my teacher from Britain told us that the moon landing and 9/11 was fake. One of my friends aunt saw one of the planes crash and started questioning her asking if his aunt was a liar (in a serious way, to show that he knew my teacher was full of shit).
Just recently some billionaires bought huge swaths of Idaho and closed their land to ATV and snowmobile users, who have been recreationally using the land for years
My brother was in 6th grade that year and a week before the election he told my mom that she needed to vote for Bush. When she asked him why, he told her that his teacher said he had to tell her that. My mom was astounded that a teacher would try to use her influence over children to get their parents to vote for her candidate. Mom went to the principal, but since the school was private there was nothing that could be done.
This teacher's daughter was my age and when 2004 came around she didn't want to vote because she didn't know enough about the issues to make an informed choice. Her mother forced her to vote and stood in the booth with her to make sure she voted for Bush.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teachers can't be fired for making their political agenda known
If it was really a red flag she'd be saying how we should overthrow the bourgeoisie.
aly5321 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My story's not as weird, but when I was in 5th grade (7 years ago), my teacher lectured us on why the war in the middle east was just America trying to help them, and the way she explained it heavily implied that the middle east was stupid for resisting our "help". At the time, the whole class believed her, and she probably got us to see the US in an even better light than we did at the time, but now that I'm older, I'm like... dude...
Yeah like just recently I'm beginning to realize all that about America trying to help them etc isn't true, or at least not so black and white.
[deleted] ยท 2235 points ยท Posted at 15:07:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What the heck she shouldn't be doing that.
Edit: stop assuming I would have been ok with it if it were the other way around.
tack50 ยท 1061 points ยท Posted at 15:58:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah. Teachers are supposed to remain neutral. I mean, sure, they are allowed to have political leanings, but they shouldn't make them public.
At our school you could get an idea of who was a leftist and who was conservative (for example, the history teacher was thought to be pretty conservative), but they were never biased on their classes.
Hell, one of our philosophy teachers was actually a candidate to MP on our state assembly and was elected! (he actually has a cabinet position as his party won the election) The replacement teacher was also a candidate but lost (he knew he wasn't going to be elected though). They never did propaganda though.
One of my teachers was a rep for the teachers union and a pretty solid socialist, but being in her classes you'd never have been able to tell.
Whereas another one voted for the BNP, a far-right party here in the UK, yet I only ever found out once I had left school.
tack50 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:43:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my teachers was a rep for the teachers union and a pretty solid socialist, but being in her classes you'd never have been able to tell.
Yeah, I actually had another teacher who was exactly like that XD He only taught us for one year though, as he was very old and retired.
Only way you could notice is because he went to every single strike organized, whereas most teachers didn't bother (I went to a private school which treated teachers pretty well, so most didn't really mind). Iirc he was actually a coummunist in his youth (and still probably was when he taught me)
Ha, we had the provincial/federal green party candidate as a teacher in my school. He was so far past bias he led a parade of students to a speaking engagement in town to protest the fact he was allowed to speak. Oh, and the speaker was a national columnist for major paper, so not a Klan leader or hatespeecher.
Wouldn't it help in some instances for a teacher to say "I personally believe this, but the facts (and the stuff I need to teach you) is..."?
RockLoi ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about help, but sometimes it can be acceptable to share your opinions on some views to stimulate conversation if you carry it well, and you need to be careful about how you go about it.
This is only if you're tasked with this kind of conversation as a form tutor (is it called home room in the US?) and not okay to enter into this kind of stuff as an academic teacher.
However, your school should have a policy on stuff like this and that takes precedent, and in general you should aim to remain neutral to let students share and discuss their own opinions.
ricecake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see it being helpful in some circumstances if handled carefully, but I'm pretty uncomfortable with authority figures, that we have children listen to as all but arbiters of truth, share political, religious, or social opinions while in a trusted context.
Yeah I was thinking teachers might tell the older students, who are aware that everyone and everything have bias.
oklos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a figure of authority, it would make it difficult to separate your position from the 'desired' position. At the very least, it would probably prejudice the initial view of the students (assuming that they didn't have strong existing views on the issue), making it harder for them to truly think for themselves.
Also, if you turn the question around: what value is there in a teacher announcing his/her position on the issue? How does it improve the learning of the student?
4UNN ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My AP world history teacher has worked Hillary's campaign, and is one of the delegates for our state this election. He is one of the only liberal teachers I have had that has made their views public, (I live in a red state), but he stayed pretty unbiased as a teacher.
ryanppax ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:33:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to my very religious civics/government teacher from hs. People like him teach because they get off by teaching his opinions as fact
my very religious civics/government teacher from hs.
My AP Government teacher last year didnt reveal her ideology or party until the last day of school. She let us guess(liberal Democrat) then asked us why we thought that. We had to justify it via class discussion based on her occupation, sex, age, region, and education. She confirmed that we were right, but no one was like, "Aww, fuck you, Ms. H! Trump doesn't need your vote anyhow!"
ryanppax ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:36:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea this guy almost weekly wanted to remind us how god should be involved with law making
Vekete ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooof. I'm all for people practicing whatever religion they want as long as it affects no one, but religion should be the last thing on a politician's mind when making laws.
I very much agree. Just because someone believes something doesn't mean everyone else does too. To insert someone's god into everyone's laws is forcing them to conform to those views. If you can't defend a proposed law without referring to religious text in a land of religious freedom, it has no business being law.
Vekete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially for such a large and varied country like the US. I mean don't get me wrong it shouldn't happen in ANY country, but it's a much bigger issue in America where there's such a large variety of different cultures and religions.
I had a very religious civics teacher who we had to call by his rank in the military, which was Major. Once he got into talking about how he was worried Muslims were going to take over the world and he showed us a video that had a map of Europe slowly being swarmed by Muslim immigration and I think it described it as a Trojan horse. It was around 2012-2013. That video really made an impact on me at the time.
Also had a 6th grade history teacher who would go on rants about how we were abandoning God and stuff. Other than those things, they were pretty cool
In my high school most of the teachers were pretty open about their political leanings- and every single one was somewhere between casual Labour voter and full-on socialist. I am from a very left-wing area.
I went to a really liberal college and man, the teachers there let you know it and they really pushed it hard. I'm not conservative so it honestly didn't bother me but I knew conservative kids that were scared to ever make their affiliation known because of the backlash.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say the vast majority of teachers don't remain neutral though.
They certainly didn't when I was in school the thing is that most teachers are left-leaning and so are most young people so you tend not to notice it as much.
tack50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I guess you are right. I consider myself a centre-left guy, but I know my more conservative friends were slightly more aware of biases and stuff.
My health teacher had us write letters to the school board demanding teacher salary increase telling them good things about teachers and how good the teacher's union is.
dynaboyj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite teacher in regards to this is my German teacher, who practically makes fun of the off-topic political debates our class has had over feminism, race, or Donald Trump. She loves to note that one kid will often say one controversial thing, an argument will boil, and that kid will then just watch and enjoy.
That kid's just doesn't want to do class work. He absolutely knows what he's doing. We did this in my Japanese class, but instead of politics we told the teacher it was someone's birthday every day so we could sing and color and eat candy.
I remember that after the election here in Canada one of my teachers called Trudeau trash and ranted about how the country was going to crash and burn. Everyone in class just stared at him in confusion until he changed the subject.
And in Ontario we have the worst economy we've seen since his daddy, Alberta is ruins, the debt is escalating faster than ever before, our dollar is 70 cents, and absolutely no economist is claiming we are getting better, so please, how was he wrong? I mean sure, we've got a surplus of pm selfies now. And he did pay for 100+ people to fly out to Paris to save the earth, so... yah, how we doing on that? A carbon tax, which is unsupported and all studies say is by far the worst version of carbon punishment for effect? Wicked. Forget Canada being whatever less than 5% of ALL emissions on the planet, we need to ruin it all to bring that to... umm.. 4.999%?
In my high school, if you took "personal finance/buisness finance" you were in the "[teacher] how he hates the government" class, although not true, he just points out he's a liberal libertarian who said independent on polls just to free vote.
Kamaria ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had one of my history teachers show Fahrenheit 911...
tack50 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the only "political" movie we ever saw on class was "the wave" (I think that's it's name?) which basically alerted people of the dangers of fascism and stuff.
We also saw lots of movies about the GDR (East Germany) for German class, but I don't really consider those political.
I had a government teacher who would play Ronald Reagan speeches on VHS and sit at his desk and weep. He also told us he gives Reagan speeches at weddings.
jetztf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's balanced out by my high school English teacher who takes every opportunity imaginable to slam trump, even when he's not relevant at all. I don't like trump but the constant digression to talk about politics bothers me in an English class.
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I hated English classes (and first/native language ones as well in case you are American/British/Canadian/etc).
Any digression in those classes would have been great in my opinion :)
I mean, sure, they are allowed to have political leanings, but they shouldn't make them public.
Especially if they are so stupid, indefensible and going to make yourself look like an idiot to your students.
Around 16 many people start thinking for themselves politically if not outright revolting knee-jerk against anything their parents say. I'm pretty confident 16 year old me would grasp just how unfit for office Trump is and would lose all respect for a teacher who didn't have the brains to realize it. Or dismisses it as not enough to disqualify him against even Clinton.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This! My senior year I had to take economics and government. My economics teacher was veeerry liberal and would make fun of republicans in class. My government teacher was the usual "you'll never know my political leanings" but ripped into Obamacare, legalized weed ("Weed has ruined those states' economies") and taxes. If he wasn't Republican, I would think he's Libertarian. I'm glad I graduated because his class would probably be hell during this election.
Teacher here. Teachers are supposed to be neutral, but 99% of the time they'll say what they think (and will often do it unprovoked). I have students ask me who I vote for and who I like, and I refuse to tell them anything.
My US history teacher in 10th grade had republican stickers and signs all over his room, and since I was into politics early, I could tell he was very conservative. Everytime I tried to call him out on something he would just deflect. Once he was using a fox news segment that talked about something relating to manifest destiny, and I asked if he knew how biased Fox was as a source. He just said "None of the other ones are any better"
I've had so many teachers start conversations with "I'm really not supposed to talk about politics", but when the entire class called the disk sander Burny Sanders, or just Burny, the STEM teacher (kinda shop class, but more math and physics) kinda just gave up on us not talking politics.
Shit, when I was in school while the Bush/Gore election was getting heated, I remember my English teacher saying almost word for word "Unless you're rich, you're an idiot if you vote for a Republican".
But it was balanced, because we also had a disgruntled Vietnam vet as a Social Studies teacher who would put on Imus In The Morning during class and talk about how electing Al Gore would cause the collapse of our nation.
As an adult I think "Wow that's kinda crazy they said shit like that" but then I remember that I have friends now who are teachers, and have a lot of really strong, idiotic opinions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually seems incredibly cute to me for some reason XD
Zenblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Teachers are supposed to remain neutral. I mean, sure, they are allowed to have political leanings, but they shouldn't make them public.
So you never went to college?
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I've just entered my first year of college XD (started in September).
However, I'm in an engineering course, so really there isn't much of a chance to discuss politics, nor can teachers be politically biased while teaching stuff like physics or math
Zenblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nor can teachers be politically biased while teaching stuff like physics or math
My 7th grade history teacher gave us an irrelevant lesson on why a flat tax is most fair. The tax system we have discourages working harder or working overtime. This was over 20 years ago and I still remember it.
Even in the UK, my college tutors are very Liberal.
To the point where one of our film projects (based on warfare and containing a part in the script where someone is shot) was heavily delayed whilst my tutors argued about the morals of bringing even prop guns into college, or even showing those props on screen.
Eventually, they demanded we rescript it so that the person doesn't die.
Which, of course, made the whole project harder.
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They couldn't even allow you to use a water gun or those kiddie guns with an orange cap that barely make a noise??
My history teacher after the election happened came out and said, as is obvious I am more on the right side but I did not want to say anything until after the election as to not influence the votes.
I respectfully have to disagree with this. I taught high school for a couple years including 2007-2008. I was of the mind that I, like anyone, was biased and my students were either A) smart enough to see that bias and wonder why I would try to pretend that I wasn't, which is a giant red flag for b.s., or B) not smart enough to know that I was biased and thus not ask the important question we should all ask of an information source: "Where is this coming from and why should I potentially take it with a grain of salt?" So I told them straight up "Here's who I'm supporting and keep that in mind when I'm teaching you, especially during discussion of current events. (I taught English, history and government, so understanding how messages were conveyed and by who was an important thread across all my classes.) I also gave them plenty of reasons other people supported the other candidate and regularly played devil's advocate when students would speak up in support or against a particular candidate. All that said, it was definitely a "here's what I'm doing" not "here's what you should be doing" thing, and I straight up told them not to take my support of a candidate as any more influential as their parents, friends or a random person on the street.
I guess I just think it's disingenuous to pretend, especially as a teacher who advocated being politically active, that I was neutral when I was definitely not. Give all the information and help them sort it out, rather than hold a bunch back to "protect" them.
e: added the subjects I taught
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, sure; if done well it shouldn't be a problem. The way you describe it actually reminds me a lot of my philosophy teachers, who were exactly like that XD
Caedro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People have been abusing authority to push personal agendas pretty much forever. Prolly gonna keep happening.
To be fair, the social studies teachers at my school are very liberal and open about it. I don't mind, but it's kinda funny how openly biased they are
guldawen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had liberal civics teacher that was quite biased. We would have to do reports about articles talking negatively about Bush. If you pointed out the articles inaccuracies (even with citation to other articles or documents) you were docked points because the article was a "reputable source".
When I complained about this to my classmates they said, "Yeah but he's better than [other civics teacher]. I heard she is a republican." The second sentence was said in hushed tones after looking around to make sure they weren't overheard.
True story, my one history teacher threatened to give us detention if we kept asking him who he was voting for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They sound like pretty good people
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My art teacher was the hippy dippy local MP running as an independent. They could never figure out why he'd get so many votes (he'd always have 1000) but I think it was just people that had him and thought it was funny.
Our US History teacher made us do news reports every week, and forced us to use CNN because it was "unbiased" and "the most accurate news source." He would constantly push a radical leftist agenda when he could.
I'm just happy I wasn't in his class during this election cycle.
tack50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of reminds me of when in primary school we were taught not to use wikipedia because it was biased and the least accurate information source XD
Of course, no one cared, and we just used Wikipedia anyways, and teachers didn't notice.
yungkef ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually can't help that I tell my students that Trump is the worst possible thing that could happen to the US, but to be fair they were all saying it first :)
ikorolou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's still not okay, let kids have their own opinions
yungkef ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, I do keep the politics out of it. I just can't help but agree when my kids say that Trump is a terrible person. We're supposed to be guiding the next generation towards good role models, right?
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if that's really a teachers responsibility. I'm not saying it isn't or it is, I just literally don't think I can make a call on that. I would lean towards you should just be a good role model, and let kids pick their own heroes
I didn't say my views disagree with yours. I am saying that it is entirely inappropriate for an educator to indoctrinate a student with their own opinions in a classroom. You sharing your opinion on a candidate is no more appropriate than someone else sharing their views on god. Your job is to teach critical thinking skills and to educate, to encourage discussion on important ideas but to carefully avoid influencing that discussion. Sure, have your views, everyone should, but don't share them during your lectures.
Aside: I agree with you on Trump. He is dangerous. I also teach. It's inappropriate to share that view in the classroom when you are the one in charge of it.
yungkef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say my views disagree with yours. I am saying that it is entirely inappropriate for an educator to indoctrinate a student with their own opinions in a classroom. You sharing your opinion on a candidate is no more appropriate than someone else sharing their views on god. Your job is to teach critical thinking skills and to educate, to encourage discussion on important ideas but to carefully avoid influencing that discussion. Sure, have your views, everyone should, but don't share them during your lectures.
I agree, and I do need to improve that side of myself. I also want to provide my students with good role models and get them thinking about what qualities they want to see in a positive role model. Saying absolutely nothing about this stuff as though it doesn't exist is also being complicit with a lot of really bad stuff. Gotta keep the balance I guess?
I would try to use historical points for that. Talking about dead people who have become archetypes is a great tool for making students think about modern individuals on their own all without ever mentioning the modern individual you are talking about. I also would encourage students to talk themselves about current candidates and let them have the discussion, doing little more than moderating it for civility. Let them think it through.
I don't see how when she is so obviously one of the most corrupt politicians our country has ever seen, also the fact that she is probably a sociopath. Trump says very stupid, and mean things, Hillary does bad things and is the bitch of the current corrupt powers that be.
yungkef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, HRC can't even own up to her contributions to the prison industrial complex. I don't give a fuck about her stupid emails, let's talk about the civilians in the middle east who are getting aimlessly massacred in the name of counter-terrorism.
The perception of Obama doing relatively little (even though not really, his face says it all) says more about the structure of our government than anything. Why do we have two people in their 70's running to represent a population who has a median age of 37?
It's hilarious how in the US your "left leaning" politicians are more liberal than actual left wing, yet you call it leftist etc. It's quite bizarre because Sanders for example is pretty much a casual Liberal when compared to EU politians. US politics on the media and labelling side is cancerous. Thanks for rubbing off on the world.
tack50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I am European actually XD (Spaniard to be precise)
But yeah, when you compare EU and US politics, US leftists (democrats) are centrists in Europe, and US right-wingers (republicans) are fringe far right lunatics (only one that could be mainstream in Europe is oddly enough a saner version of Trump; mostly because he resembles Le Pen a lot, who is popular in France, and similar politicians)
Although the words used in the US politics is mainly what I refer xD - the whole leftist tag is so far from the truth in the US which is crazy for such high levels of education at certain points, that labels are thrown around without being correct a lot of the time.
_Search_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... what? Teachers are fully allowed to teach their point of view in the classroom. In fact, they should, ESPECIALLY during elections. Teaching is one of the few ways we can reveal the lies told by politicians!!
And seriously, with all the talk about how important it is to teach critical thinking, you're going to forbid teachers from sharing their own critical thinking? I understand that politics can be divisive, but really, only bad politics are divisive. Those who can discuss politics like adults come to points of agreement and understanding. Teachers need to teach THAT and not hide behind their desks.
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teaching is one of the few ways we can reveal the lies told by politicians!!
Well, why not allow students to uncover them themselves?
And seriously, with all the talk about how important it is to teach critical thinking, you're going to forbid teachers from sharing their own critical thinking? I understand that politics can be divisive, but really, only bad politics are divisive. Those who can discuss politics like adults come to points of agreement and understanding. Teachers need to teach THAT and not hide behind their desks
Sure, discussing politics is a very good way of developing critical thinking. Our Spanish (first language) and English teachers used to tell us to discuss current political events in class for example (though they rarely took part in the discussion themselves).
However, that was only on the later classes (years 11 and 12) and teachers rarely participated or at least tried not to show their biases.
It's not the same to do that than to try to tell primary school children how to vote.
_Search_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, why not allow students to uncover them themselves?"
aaaaand that's where I stopped reading your reply.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding the history teacher, that's pretty funny. How can you study history, and look at the candidates Republicans always put up, and go "Welp, this is a good idea."
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I'm not American, but Spanish actually. Our right is "sane" but corrupt, just like our left. Only difference between the 2 is that the left seems to have fewer but larger corruption cases while the right has more, but smaller corruption.
i believe the jessie ventura chris kyle case covers this. 32 media conglomorates forced a retrail because they didnt like being sued for making false statements
It's way more common than you think. I mean, some of it can be forgiven. It is human nature to want to share such deep rooted ideologies, especially on the impressionable, and even if you consciously try to avoid it you no doubt end up teaching some of those ideologies unintentionally.
But trying to convince your students to support a certain ideology or candidate is not okay. You can share your opinion, for sure, but you can't tell students to do something like that. They are vulnerable and see you as an authority figure. Out of anyone in the world, you are one of the most likely to sway their opinions with your words. I think some teachers know this and deliberately use it too seed their ideology in future generations. The point is, if your ideas are good enough, they will stand on their own without a need to convince people.
Plus, I'm pretty sure my econ teacher is the only reason half of my school ended up Libertarian, and I am still bitter about it (the dude used SEAN HANNITY in his class, without irony)
Teachers do this shit in every country on this earth.
Source: Am European, had to listen to teachers praising the NeoCommunist Party
zet191 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, in college its practically required that professors share their opinions. In some courses I now know more about their political leanings than the actual course content.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the opposite experience. Most of my professors (in business, econ, finance, history, and philosophy) stated their goal was to keep us guessing on their political leanings.
lexgrub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my teachers said a troll in her closet tells her when the world will end. Sometime in the 2050s. Just so you guys know.
Hah. I once had a teacher rant that evolution couldn't be possible because "complexity can't increase in a closed system because it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics." Apparently the Earth is a closed system, isolated from any energy source, like some sort of star it might be orbiting.
I went to High School in TN and our senior English teacher openly prayed for the nation in class, passed out "literature" on the Clintons that sounded like she got them from a right wing conspiracy theorist's blog and openly supported "conservative philosophy", which by her logic, was not endorsing a specific political party, so it was okay. At the time, it just seemed normal. It wasn't until I was in college that I realized all the stuff she did that was simply inappropriate.
VROF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son's AP World History teacher told her students Weapons of Mass Destruction were found in Iraq
My 9th grade Humanities teacher in 2008 constantly praised Obama during class.
Rozeline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing this is in the south. In my high school, teachers were very open on their backwards opinions. The best science teacher I had in high school would go on an annual rant in every class about the evils of abortion. The health teacher only got the job specifically so she could coach cheerleading and her lessons were pretty much every cliche about abstinence education. Shitty analogies, lies, 'it'll make [I'm not saying god but it's totally god] sad'. You can get away with a lot down here. It's pretty gross.
About 80% of my teachers made it publicly known that they were Democrats and would be voting that way. I always thouht that was messed up, but nobody seems to care unless the teacher is a conservative.
Right? Aren't the teacher's unions behind Clinton?
JaegerJ7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh they shouldnt but they do it anyway.My High school Government teacher's class just consists of shitting on trump one day our assignment was to read an article from the LA times about that just did nothing but shit on trump.
Hahaha. Oh man. You haven't been to Texas have you? Picture of Bush senior in our class room. A football coach teaching history so he can coach football (can't just be a coach). This was during the Bush Election:
"Some of you will be 18 by this election. I want you to think long and hard about the choices you make and the voting you'll be doing. It's very important to look at both candidates..." "...Bush took us from 9/11 and saved us. We'd be complete destroyed with out Bush. Please don't forget to vote kids" You could add any thing about bush that spun him as a positive and that same sentence would be one of the daily "get out and vote" speeches he gave us.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Texas and go to a high school here. Thankfully, none of my teachers have voiced thier political opinions in class.
That's amazing. It seems different for my brother who is still there. That was the time of Freedom Fries where there was actual discussion of changing to that name in the cafeteria. Just a different time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and it could also vary from high school and location too.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:34:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who isn't a hillary shill and has common sense can clearly see that this country will be destroyed if hillary is elected. How many leaked emails does it take for morons to realize that she isn't a good person and that she is willing to sell out anyone for $$
Yes, because Trump is clearly a pillar of honesty and thoughtfulness. Fucking please. Trump is riddled with scandals, yet all anyone seems to focus on is Hillary's leaked emails.
Why not? They are teenagers, they need to understand people are going to have opinions one way or the other and that they should be able to understand there are a spectrum of views, and no one is correct. I'm not saying it should alter the school work, but having views challenged and challenging others is how we learn and change out own.
dunk_hs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not from the US so I don't know this, but in my country it is forbidden for politics to be discussed by teachers (except when it is relevant in the history class). Is this not true for US?
LvS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, seriously.
I mean, why would anyone want to ruin our nation?
FA0401 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 15:30:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Don't worry, 90% of them don't care and the other 10% have already made up their mind, so she is only making a fool of herself.
Wow, you report your teachers for having a political opinion? Sure, she may tell of it publicly, but I seriously doubt she's going around converting students. The american education system is really fucked up, and it seems the students are part of making it bad.
What if it wasn't about Trump v Clinton but something like pro-life vs. pro-choice? Or same-sex marriage? You can't envision a situation where an educator's opinion would influence a young person? You can't imagine why a parent might be against that?
It's important for the teachers to remain neutral in political matters. School is for socializing kids so they can function as good citizens in a democracy. Not indoctrinating them into a certain political belief. School, like the country needs to treat everyone equally.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll get it when you have kids.
Denziloe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the upside, at least she's pushing it onto children, who are unable to vote.
I imagine because that's the only demographic gullible enough to listen to her.
It's high school so depending on what grade(s) she teaches, some might be able to vote, and all or nearly all of her students will be able to vote next election.
m_dale ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:42:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My high school teachers tell us the opposite but for some reason it's completely ok
I see these two candidates as a choice between getting punched in the balls, and skinning my dick, running salt in it, then washing the salt out with Dave's insanity sauce.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a website frequented by milennials and young college graduates. Not sure what you expect.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Trump. Always the victim. Honestly, I don't see anyone defending this teacher either. Pushing your views on young, impressionable minds is a terrible thing to do.
Because Trump is now somehow the big, scary man who hates women, but Hillary will save us because she is a nice lady. The uninformed voices in this thread are pathetic. It just shows me that the real problems in this country are not our candidates, but our people.
CarshayD ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:48:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many of my teachers did that. I had a fairly smart Forensic teacher shout about how much she hated Democrats, and me, being the only Democrat would be like "Hmm..should I tell her?"
In 6th grade when Bush/Kerry was going on our science teacher decided to have us put our heads down and vote. Obviously we were just repeating what our parents were saying and afterwards Bush had like 20 votes and Kerry had one vote... mine. It felt weird that my parents were the only democrats in a sea of republicans (I had no idea what anything meant back then but... yay Idaho) and one kid was like "Whoever voted for Kerry is DEAD!" all joking but the teacher decided to "report" him and go as far as showing him the door to the principal before he made the kid sit down and treat it as a warning instead. I hated that kid and wished he really did get suspended with the zero tolerance policy lol
Emm03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also from Idaho and this was me my entire childhood!
The worst was just before Obama's first inauguration when I was in seventh grade and ended up listening to three guys in my class talk about assassinating Obama, in very graphic detail. I think the principal got a call after I told my mom about it that evening.
The teachers at that school were all pretty liberal and very professional when it came to talking about party politics (I just happened to see all of them together at the 2008 Democratic caucus), but some of my high school teachers were horrible. I was still too young to vote in 2012 (but was seventeen and absolutely had my own political views by that point) and had a teacher tell my class something along the lines of anyone who would vote for Obama being an idiot. I think my parents gave up on trying to call the school because between my sister and I teachers crossing lines with politics happened on probably a weekly basis. I think it's mostly Idaho being pretty rural and provincial (and super conservative) and some people not realizing that not everyone is as conservative as them.
When I was in middle school and Obama was running for president, I once had a history teacher convince the class Obama was homeless, had no formal education, and working at McDonald's before he decided to run. That's a pretty terrible thing to tell middle schoolers, who quite frankly will believe anything.
So many teachers and professors do this in America sadly. One of the Universities near me is filled with Liberal teachers and they'd constantly try to put Liberal ideals into their lessons.
Novicept ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well she isn't wrong
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse Psychology - she's really a Hillary supporter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leave it to Crooked Hillary to create a plan so sinister.
In the district I'm in, teachers are forbidden from pushing political or religious views in the classroom.
mrv3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when Obama ruined/saved America? Me either, despite the sports like treatment of the presidential debates the truth is the most likely outcome is a presidential candidate that will do very little and last 4 years.
OnlyMath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that brought up memories of when I went to a gifted student camp way back in the summer of I think 6th grade at UVA. One of the courses I chose was political oriented but I remember our teacher would tell us every day how Barack Obama was an evil Muslim hellbent on destroying America with his evil transgender lizard wife (lizard may be an exaggeration but I really wouldn't be surprised if it's exactly what he said the dude was a loon). I then remember walking with a group of kids talking about the Iraq war and more than one child agreed that the best solution was to drop nukes all over the Middle East. The rest of the time there was less eventful save for my young dumb self running up to my two counselors, one of whom was black, and asked them if they'd wanted to hear a racist joke I had heard but moments ago before realizing what I was doing and recoiling in terror (for the record the joke was aimed toward a person of Mexican heritage which explains the lack of understanding at first).
As Trump would say "wrong." It's a public school. We're there to teach not preach. It is against district policy to try and influence students to your political view or religious view.
My eighth grade teacher told us that Obama was Muslim, and honestly I believed until embarrassingly recently. The thing was she told us this to show that he wasn't a good choice (same year as 2008 election) but I thought it was really cool that we might have a Muslim president. The scary thing is that she taught honors us history.
Lucky it's high school where kids actually can start to form their own opinions for the most part... I promise you they are all judging the teacher heavily and super uncomfortable
I have two daughters in high school, and I'm forever hearing about their teachers' political opinions. It's amazing how teachers these days think the kids want to know about their opinions, their plans for the weekend, their kids' lives, etc. Teachers' lives were private when I was growing up, and I think that's how it should be.
Hap-e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's true, doesn't mean she should be sharing her political views with children.
I know that the teacher is very obviously highly in the wrong here, but as a high school student, I'd like to think that we all think independently enough to understand what she's doing, relentlessly mock her behind her back, and turn her into the biggest meme of the school year.
Well, the students who came to me thought it was hilarious. They actually mocked her. I told them to make up their own minds and research each candidate because their vote belongs to them. Working in a large high school opens your eyes to how much smarter many students are. Being a teacher has made me realize how inept many fellow teachers are. I love what I do but being one of a tiny group of Democrats in a heavily Trump town is difficult.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprising, but only because plenty of teachers would tell their classes the exact opposite... Neither is okay to tell a room full of students who assume everything you say is right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that even allowed to speak something like that? she is hindering students from learning on their own.
Can you report her for that? I mean, objectively teaching students about politics, and encouraging them to be informed is one thing... using your influence to impart your personal opinion just seems like a thing a teacher shouldn't do.
I had a teacher that had a framed picture of Obama in her room during the primaries. She then finished off lecture one day by telling us how great FDR was. I then asked, "Didn't he die at his mistress's house?" And she goes, "Thanks for ruining his legacy."
In hindsight, I should have responded that he did that, not me, but I was 12/13 when it happened.
this is why it's hard to force high school curriculum to include election/ballot information.
G_DUB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a teacher in high school (I just graduated last school year) who loved to impose her political leanings onto other people while she taught a U.S. government course, and she was the type to argue "socialism is bad therefore Bernie Sanders is bad". She added a bunch of her students on facebook and LOVED to debate politics in their various status updates, and at some point I finally got sick of it and wrote out this long-winded reply only to have her start her comment with "While Facebook is not the place to have a serious political debate..." or something to that effect. Like, what? You always debate people on this very same platform, yet you are trying to add illegitimacy to my comment by saying it is out of place? Fortunately I think my comment was enough to sway some people toward the more progressive side of politics, but who knows. I honestly hate arguing politics but I hate it much more when teachers can't be neutral in the classroom.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some schools let teachers do that stuff. I had a home economics teacher (female) who said women shouldn't be able to vote, and that chivalry was better than suffrage.
In middle school, our principal repeatedly made "emergency announcements" on the PA system about how our state governor (Jeb Bush) was going to cut our school's funding and that we had to tell our parents to vote against him.
Doesn't it say something when it seems surprising that a teacher openly doesn't agree with the democratic party? I feel like growing up, and in college literally every teacher I had was very liberal, or leaned democratic. I never met a republican in school... Which sadly with how our system is setup, with only two parties that have a real shot, there should be some from both sides at minimum telling you the positives, and negatives of both.
It appears like the liberal mindset has pushed the current generation into the state of thought they are in (or at least where I'm at now) of wanting everything for free. Is college too expensive? Yes. Does everyone need medical insurance? Yes. Is the only answer for this to have the government fund everything through taxation? No.
The problem with this country is that this mindset is snowballing to the point where if you don't agree with taxing the very wealthy at a high rate, and providing everything for free, you're almost looked down upon. We all know there are multiple ways to accomplish anything, yet this seems to be the only way, pushed through the school system that is running up these students bills.
Onion27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know whether you meant U.S. or us but both seem to fit really nicely
Eh not cool. I support trump but i dont think they should be telling kids that
caroja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2008 my daughter was in 5th grade. Her teacher spent the entire period after lunch explaining to these students how Barak Obama was a Mislim and electing him would cause all of "us" to be put in Camps if we didn't convert. My kid came home fuming because it was "against the rules to subject students to personal political opinion". She thought the teacher was ignorant and should be fired.
I live in Northern California, and not one teacher at my school attempts to hide their political preferences; every single one supports Hillary. Some of the kids actually DO support Trump, and they commonly get shut down by teachers in class if they express their opinions. Honestly though, regardless of the fact that those kids are awful (last year they shouted at the Latino kids at a school wide assembly while chanting Trump), and I'm as left-leaning as democratically possible, it still really bothers me to see. It's an educational institution, and really shouldn't be showing so much bias, especially toward fairly impressionable students.
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she's qualified to teach...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By the time i got to highschool everyone already thought that they knew politics anyways, so that would have just started a fight in class.
She still shouldn't be saying it, but i don't really think it'll change minds.
I am a 6th grade teacher at a cultural charter school. The student body is about 95% hispanic and pacific islander. The pacific islanders seem to hate both candidates. The hispanics HAAAATE Trump.
ashishvp ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the Fillipinos just elected Trump on crack. So im not surprised they hate every candidate
JSBraga ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 16:43:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pacific islanders seem to hate both candidates
Luckily they or their illegal alien parents can't vote.
mwilke ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 15:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is crazy but, did you know that it's technically possible to be both Hispanic and a citizen of the US? Some of them were even born here! Nuts, right?
ChronosFT ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 16:58:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like /u/QE-Infinity doesn't understand that Puerto Ricans are automatically US citizens at birth? Or those born in the US Virgin Islands? Or Guam?
Or that people who are "hispanic" or "latino" may have been in this country longer than his ancestors?
rhinguin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even know people in territories could vote. I knew they were citizens and protected under ours laws, but my school made it seem like they got absolutely no representation.
They can participate in the primaries but they don't vote in the actual presidential election. They do not have representation in the electoral college.
rhinguin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a little more nuanced than that. Puerto Ricans are citizens but their territory has no electoral vote to allocate. People from Puerto Rico that move to the mainland (and meet the applicable residency requirement) can vote in our elections. It's true that Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico can't vote meaningfully in presidential elections, but roughly half of them are stateside where they can.
IKR? There're park benches in my town that are older than your country. It doesn't surprise me when i read about Americans of non-American descent who can trace their ancestry back to the time of the Founding Fathers...
parampcea ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 18:56:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
understand that Puerto Ricans are automatically US citizens at birth?
legally they shouldnt be. but its a loophole so they exploit it
Yeah, but those who are citizens and are able to vote love Trump. Why should illegal fucks make it harder for them to get ahead when they follow the law?
Actually, most of the Latino community hates Trump. Including those us who can vote. We have voiced our concerns with Trump through many outlets and yet, for some weird reason, Trump supporters still think they have the Latino vote even though our concerns haven't been addressed directly.
by_whom ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:00:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man that's the part I hate most about this , I was all prepared to watch the_donald and all the other Trump supporters dissolve when he loses. Now thanks to their echo chamber they can just cry conspiracy instead of accepting that they are not in fact the silent majority and that the majority of America won't accept their hateful bullshit. Which means they're not going away , we're gonna have to keep dealing with these people and considering how they say shit like they're ready to revolt if Hillary wins and say they're planning to watch the polls to 'prevent voter fraud' I feel like it's not going to be pleasant.
Railboy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:57:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was all prepared to watch the_donald and all the other Trump supporters dissolve when he loses.
Me too. After the first debate a lot of his supporters briefly came to their senses and realized what a nutbar he is. I think a lot of them were shocked by how unpolished and uninformed he seemed, and they began seriously contemplating what losing the election might mean.
This gave me hope. I thought, wow, maybe once the curtain's pulled back these folks aren't so unreasonable after all...
Nope! A few weeks later and they've doubled down. Now they don't even acknowledge all the impressive new ways he finds to completely fuck up from day to day, or how utterly incoherent and fractured his campaign is, or any of that. They just talk about the media conspiracy. (Or as I like to call it, our national immune system finally kicking into full gear.)
As long as it only hurts the morons stupid and violent enough to start stuff. I don't want any innocents getting hurt cause of these jackasses, just look at those 3 guys who were going to blow up an apartment complex full of immigrants, I don't want those kinds of things becoming more common.
Not because he and his followers are hateful, unlikeable assholes or anything.
Neither candidate should be winning in that case.
Railboy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:48:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Look, we all know Hillary is human garbage, okay? Nobody wanted her to get the nomination because we all knew her skeletons would make her un-electable. It was handing Republicans the election on a silver platter.
Then Republicans let Frankentstein's monster loose and the rest is history.
Trump's insanity utterly eclipses anything the Hillary administration could threaten us with. You know why nobody is focusing on her email scandal, or her war crimes, or her rape victim suppression? Because this rampaging buffoon keeps making it clear it's all peanuts compared to the crap he would unleash if he got elected. I'm seeing this meltdown with my own two eyes and I still can't believe it.
They've got no one to blame but themselves for putting her in office.
Reading through his comment history, he hates Mexicans, believes the Nazis did nothing wrong and is even proud that his grandfather was a Nazi accountant, and believes that taxation is nothing more than theft. I sincerely doubt that he was joking.
I don't believe the Nazi's did nothing wrong. I think they didn't have an extermination plan for the Jews because there is no evidence that they did. There is no question Nazi's were bad people.
Apart from the death camps, einzatzgruppen, and Final Solution? Because that's pretty damn clear with primary documents, eyewitness testimony, physical historical record, and the resulting death toll that they most certainly did have a plan.
From Nazi's under duress and Jews who want to justify Israel?
physical historical record
All the 'gaschambers' which conveniently got destroyed or rebuilt for 'historical' purposes?
the resulting death toll
Its war, people die. Allied forces destroying supply chains to the camps and typhus epidemics didnt help.
Id love to have a conversation about this with you but most people already seem to have made up their mind and will not listen to anyone who questions the official story.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:28:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this needs a /s
[deleted] ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 15:31:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Jasani ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:55:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I could really use an ass. May I have one? Mines really flat
I was in 5th grade when Obama was running and I remember wanting him to win and getting mad at this kid in my class who wanted McCain to win. We weren't cursing at each other about it but this election cycle seems to have everyone angrier than usual so I could see this happening, especially since while we weren't cursing at each other we were cursing by 3rd grade since we thought it made us cool.
You're talking down about your past self but you should be glad you learned to swear early. I remember seeing kids who were still struggling with proper swearing in middle school and I was so embarrassed for them.
Nanny here! My nanny kid is five and she gets to watch YouTube videos for a bit in the morning, she usually watches the same minecraft videos but this day she accidentally pressed a trump video and she blurts out "Donald trump?! I don't care for that guy" nonchalantly. Idk if she knew who he was or not (the video said his name) but I thought it was funny.
GoreWound ยท 444 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That five year old is going places.
Probably not a voting booth, but other places!
Gonzanic ยท 271 points ยท Posted at 15:53:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Five year olds are voting and they're voting Democrat. Voter Fraud is real! Breitbart was right, Lie-berals!
Kids are voting Trump, okay? They're voting for me in tremendous numbers, believe me. And I've got many kids calling me and sending emails saying all sorts of wonderful things about Mr Donald Trump ๐๐ผ they're saying, they're telling me "you're the only one that will fight ISIS, you're the only one who will Make America Great Again" lots of intelligent kids saying that folks
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call the "๐๐ผ" emoji the "Donald Trump" emoji.
This comment has brought into my mind the wonderful concept of Donald Trump doing children's television!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:02:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know why republicans like using so many nicknames? Every single election, the republican voters come up with all these sarcastic witty nicknames for the people involved. Obummer, shillary, some other stupid shit I cant remember right now, etc...
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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nermid ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:58:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liberal here, can confirm. Also, while I hate the practice in general, I still giggle like a child when people call Mitt Romney "Mittens."
It's just such an adorable nickname and it doesn't fit his personality in any way.
hidden camera footage have not only shown HRC staffs speaking very nastily, but also endorsing ripping voting registration forms of Trump supporters. There is also footage of campaign lawyers endorsing fraud.
Addititionally, wikileaks has shown Donna Brazile forwarded debate questions before hand to Hillary's team. Not that it made much difference.
There are emails showing "interesting" information about primaries and how they schemed to get Biden and Sanders out of the picture in NJ.
George Soros has his hand on 16 states' electronic voting machines.
For me, there would be a lot to trust the process. A few I can think of from top of my head would be to not only have two vote counts electronic vote count, but also paper vote count to really verify no funky changes have happened. Additionally, having a head count of people that appear on voting day, for additional verification.
Even if Trump did win, I still want these kind of tabulated head count numbers to show proof no side cheated or tried to play the system funny.
As you can see, I am very distrustful of the election process. The credibility has been hurt for a long time in my eyes.
You heard it here folks. SoupOfTomato is all knowing and their sources indefatigably honest and true. We can all rest easy, knowing democracy is safe because a tweet said so.
aboy5643 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Twitter chain. You didn't read it correctly.
Oh, not saying you specifically said that here, just that that's usually the implication when people bring up voter fraud. I'm agreeing with you in a way. It's a serious issue that affects all the voters.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the establishment working for itself, it's not a partisan thing. Trump and Sanders are both outsiders.
Oh no, I'm all for it. I'm not a member of either party, but have been watching the GOP be much bigger, much more organized pieces of shit for decades.
Again, the dems are no saints, and I disagree with things they have done as well, but the powerful 'pubs have gotten being united in being vile, war mongering, lying, cheating, hateful, xenophobic creatures that prey on ignorance down to a science.
Trump is beating them at their own game, and exposing their base for what it is.
Hillary is just more of the same republican light that the dems have been serving up for my whole adult life. But if getting her elected shatters the unity of the party of obstruction and spite, so be it. Progress is a slow game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would getting Hillary election shatter everything? It would just be business as usual with a big scoop of Cold War 2.0. Trump is the only one offering a change from the bullshit we've been fed by both parties for too long.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really showed me the light with that one.
Do you not see the problem with Hillary blaming Russia every time she stubs her toe? Do you not see and issue with them trying to say Wikileaks, a reputable organization that works against government corruption everywhere is a Russian mouthpiece? Are you not concerned by her threatening military action against Russia for cyberattacks, the likes of which the US commits regularly?
But Trump is so outrageously unqualified as to be ridiculous. This election is a farce and a shitshow. It has done nothing but highlight the blatant ignorance, bias and stupidity of many Americans. I'm sorry, there is no nice way to put it. If you support Trump at this point, you have embarassingly little grasp on reality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:09 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't answer any of my questions. Keep enjoying your ungrounded sense of moral superiority. It's what Hillary is counting on.
Funny thing, I'm not even planning on voting for Hillary. But I sure as hell ain't voting Trump. Keep on keepin on dude.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:32 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who else? Johnson? I lean pretty libertarian usually but he's a terrible libertarian. Supports the TPP, open borders, not a fan of guns, etc. Or Stein? She's alright but not my cup of tea. She did say Trump is better than Hillary because she'll start a nuclear war, so there's that.
Did you know that the guy who invented mine craft and sold it to Microsoft for $$$ is now basically Bojack Horseman, living an empty life in the Hollywood Hills.
That child's handwriting looks way too much like my own, I'm in my 20s...
17Hongo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in my 20s and write like that too. Dyspraxia will do that to you.
meshaber ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:30:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 25 and there's no way I could ever write that neatly.
flxtr ยท 9016 points ยท Posted at 15:03:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I travel for work. My 8 year old son asked me if I have to go to Chicago ever again. I said not right now. He said good because Donald Trump said people get shot while walking down the street there.
My 6 year old daughter didn't want Hillary to win because my daughter want to be the first girl president but now she does want her to win because Donald Trump is mean.
That reminds me of that Forensic Files show or whatever it is, my Granny still has either satellite or cable, can't remember which but I was watching the show late at night and some dumb bitch put a pillow to the back of her husbands head while he was asleep and shot him through the pillow, made the bullet go right through the back of his skull and killed the poor dude.
Anyways, the girl thought she could get away by telling the police that her husband shot himself in the back of the head but who the hell would shoot themselves in the BACK of the head if they wanted to kill themselves?
Why not pull a Kurt Cobain? He did it right. Sarcasm though, RIP Cobain
"Kurt Cobain, the lead singer of the grunge band Nirvana, was found dead at his home, located at 171 Lake Washington Boulevard East in Seattle, Washington, on April 8, 1994. Forensic analysis determined that he had committed suicide three days prior on April 5."
You may think it's odd, but I was talking with the father of a little girl I teach karate to. She just turned seven. Anyways, the father was telling me how there are people who park up and down his street on the weekends, and how his daughter has heard him "voice his annoyance" before. Apparently he voiced his annoyance again the other night, and his daughter said, "It's OK Daddy, the next time we see those people, we'll just wait for them to get their cars and then we'll break their legs".
nbx909 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Fixtr foundation has been set up and is already selling influence.
nmgoh2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary has been campaigning for president for the last 12 years. By the time his daughter is old enough, she will have had to be making calls since now.
LeodFitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, man! I thought that I was just talking to one of those political cold callers with a really immature voice. If I'd know she was actually six I wouldn't have called her a bitch and hung up on her!
colefly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Documentary Narrarator
"Her first words were made when her uncle stole her nose, she threatened to make him disappear. By the age of 1, her uncle was gone, missing, but her nose remained."
"Mr. Trump's first words were made just before breast feeding. We are not allowed to air them on this show. Yet we are still being sued. By the age of 2, Mr.Trump was claiming existence was rigged."
No, I'm still mad that Obama took my dream in 3rd grade.
[deleted] ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 17:28:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He took every ambitious black kid's dream kid. And no offense I would've beat you to it. I would've had about 10 years on you and already had the coup planned out if I lost the election. Long story short, there were gonna be a lot of dead Indonesians after people found that birth certificate I was forging.
The FEAR Militia were a bunch of wannabes. They did more damage to former members than they did to anyone else. You're right about the Business Plot though. But one could make similar statements about the Whisky and Shay's Rebellions too.
I don't think a loser of an election has ever attempted an insurrection. Except perhaps Aaron Burr (after he completed his term) and one of the losing VPs in 1860 fought for the South.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't all people who never actually make a successful coup wannabes? Also I'm not sure you can call the secession a coup. The southern states didn't actually try to overthrow the government. They illegally withdrew from the union.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly same. I liked Obama. And I still do. But I wasn't gonna be happy settling for second black president
He's half white, so you can settle for being the first true black president, or something. I'm sure if you're president, you'll be powerful enough to get people to think of an appropriate title for you. Don't let your dreams be dreams!
"I don't want her to win because that's been my dream since I was a little girl to be the first female President, but of course I want her to win because she is a powerful and experienced woman politician, and Trump is a meanie-head."
Jhrek ยท 944 points ยท Posted at 16:37:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The world needs more of Leslie Knope and maybe a bit more of Ann Perkins too
[deleted] ยท 1144 points ยท Posted at 16:52:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know many on Reddit struggle with knowing what is appropriate to say in certain situations, but that is not ok at all to say to someone about their daughter.
I understand it's a joke about Trump, but the joke goes too far when you're saying it to a parent about their own kid (not that it's very tasteful in other circumstances either).
tomdarch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an in-the-city Chicagoan, yes, people do get shot walking down the street here. But those are drug-dealing gang members. As long as you're not a drug-dealing gang member, then you're odds of being shot while walking down the street are effectively zero.
Also, I'm sensitive about trying to not prompt kids with my political views, but at some point I couldn't keep lying, and now have no problem mentioning that Trump is "the mean guy" around kids because he is.
My 6 year old daughter didn't want Hillary to win because my daughter want to be the first girl president but now she does want her to win because Donald Trump is mean.
That's a shame, because if your daughter were to run right now, I'd vote for her.
My 6 year old daughter didn't want Hillary to win because my daughter want to be the first girl president
My 3 year old niece is American. I was chatting with her the other week and asked who the first female President will be. She gave it some hammy-acting thought, then smiled and pointed at herself.
CTU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She can always be the first good one
dropdgmz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald is just brash and people's feelings get hurt to easy this day and age. Finish after me sticks and stones....
flxtr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...may break my bones but grabbing pussy is sexual assault.
AG9090 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of an anecdote I read about Theresa May: she's been a member of the Conservative Party her whole life but was not very happy when the Conservatives won the 1979 general election because she wanted to be the first female Prime Minister (she wasn't even a candidate for MP at this point, but she was very ambitious) and Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister as a result of that win.
Except that he's completely wrong. People get shot in the shitty neighborhoods, just like literally every other large city. It's a problem, but Chicago is not some fucking active warzone.
I don't think you've ever been to Chicago. You can walk through Englewood (you shouldn't, though) and you won't run into a firefight every hour, so no, it's not a warzone.
I've been there once or twice. Maybe YOU can walk thru Englewood, but I cannot. Small weak-looking whites should not go there. In fact, I bet YOU would not go there either. You talk it, but you will NOT go there if you are sane. Chicago is worse than Iraq. Most war zones do not have firefights every hour.
Chicago is not even close to Iraq. The number of dead Americans from 2002-2014 is comparable, but there are literally 8 million people living in the Chicago area, while the U.S. presence in Iraq was less than half a million.
Not to mention the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis. But I guess that doesn't count because it contradicts the narrative.
And I don't go to Englewood. But my cousin walked a beat there for over a year. I know what I'm talking about when I say it's not a warzone.
To be fair, unless you actually go through the ghetto and meet the people, you really won't know how bad it is. I was personally insulted when Tim Kaine said durning the vp debate that African Americans are not living in hell. I would like to see home go down there.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People from Chicago say the same thing, granted.
Not all of Chicago, of course, but more "I ended up in an unfamiliar area and basically just floored it past all stop signs and lights until I got the fuck back to my neighborhood."
I teach Pre-K and a little girl very seriously informed me that, " Donald Trunk (yes, she said Trunk) was a bad man because he tells people he has lots of good surprises but he's really a big liar".
My other favorite was a little boy who said, "I like the lady one because when she talks real loud her turkey gobble under her chin wiggles".
I had a four year old run up to me once and exclaim, "YOU ARE HUUUUGE!" while her sheepish mother followed behind saying, "TALL! The word is tall, dear!!"
Edit: And now my top comment is about how huuuugeeee I am! Oh well.
My six year old still doesn't really get that people being fat is seen as a negative thing, or how it relates to food/exercise, so he's always VERY impressed by large people. One summer when he was 4, we had a membership at a local athletic club and I would take him in the locker room with me. There was this one woman who was very, very large... especially her rear end. I ended up having to try to explain WHY someone would be upset by a kid pointing and saying, "LOOK HOW BIG HER BUTT IS, MOMMY!" He totally did not get it. I mean, to him, it was IMPRESSIVE.
Edit: Four years on reddit and my most upvoted comment is about butts. Figures.
Lakus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That song came on the radio just as I read that, while pooping 3,5 hours after I should have gone to bed. Somewhere out there, the stars aligned just for this moment.
When my cousin was 4, he asked me if I had been eating rocks. I said no and asked why he thought that. He said "Because you're fat!" with this shit-eating grin. While his mother took him in the other room and explained why that was rude, I laughed so hard I cried. His logic was just so funny.
My little sister visited me from college a few months back, and when she walked in I said "wow, you look great! You've lost some weight!"
She looked at me all pissy and said "so are you saying I used to be fat and ugly!?!"
Ugh. I see those many years of tormenting you when we were children did some serious damage. Sorry about it. But no, I was saying you currently look good and lost some weight - nothing about how you used to look...
When my brother was very young, he equated fat with muscle mass. He'd see an obese person and say "I bet that guy can lift 400 pounds!" In a sense, I guess he was right...
"You see he doesn't see how being large is negative"
"negative? Oh.bitch you just did not mm mm no."
prodmerc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh just walk away at a brisk pace
71z47 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:07:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha reminds me of a story my parents always tell me about. When i was around kindergarten age i asked my mom if this lady in the supermarket was pregnant, WAY louder than i shouldve. Wasnt pregnant, just fat and very red in the face after my comment.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my kid was in preschool, a classmate told a teacher she'd gotten fat. The kids were all told VERY seriously that calling attention to someone's size like that was "potty language."
For the next six months, my daughter insisted that you're only allowed to talk about getting taller when you're inside a bathroom.
I love this. I wish we could see our bodies and other people's bodies through a child's lens, not judgemental and positive! Maybe without the child's lack of filter, but it is a totally different way of moving g through the world.
Eh, that's just a serious lacking of common sense. While it sounds wonderful at first, the reason why it's negatively looked upon is because it's harmful. Like smoking, it's up to the individual to choose, but it's a stupid choice to make. I say this as a smoker, just to throw that out there.
I think any health concerns v. pleasure is reason enough for people to make their decisions, no need for people to pass judgement unfoundedly. For example this woman is in a health club, so there should be no need for shame to be associated with her body in order to get her to work out. She was there. Besides there is countless data showing that punishment or shame for ones choices is not an effective tool for changing behavior. In fact the opposite is true.
Lol, I wasn't saying shame the lady. If she's trying to better herself then she deserves praise regardless of how she go to where she is. I was just saying seeing complex issues through the eyes of a toddler may sound wonderful and all, but it's an absolutely horrid idea
I have no idea how you took what I said and got 'SHAME HER' out of it
Jesus Christ, I said probably the softest spoken opinion of 'it's not healthy to think like a toddler' and your poor safe space was offended. Life must be fucking rough for you lol
It's not like I said ALL issues should be looked at through the lens of a toddler, like I'm not interested in their opinions on current events or public policy. I said that it would be nice if we viewed bodies without judgement like youth does. Jesus.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:28:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His anaconda don't want none unless she's got buns, hun.
My son was convinced only fat people were humans until he was like 5. If we saw a large person at the store he'd point and say 'what a biiiggggg human'. I tried to explain that we are all humans but he wasn't buying it.
I feel your pain. Have had many parent teacher conferences because the child does not understand why people would be uset about being called "China boy" or things like that.
I think it's from all those things they can't do "until their big". Clearly fat people are all ceos making the rules we live by since they are the biggest.
Tbh I'm 21 and I still have to fight the urge to do this
Like yea i recognize if someone is really that big chances are they're unhealthy and feel bad about it, but that's secondary to the knowledge that this god among men could murder me with the weight of their ass.
I love little kids' lack of filter. I have a nose piercing but while I'm at work I either cover it with a band aid or put in a spacer. When I have a band aid on I'll usually get about ten kids throughout my shift go "WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR NOSE" while looking at me with huge eyes. I usually tell them I got in a fight with a bear and the little ones just accept it. The only skepticism I've gotten from a kid was a ~5 year old informing me that "We don't have BEARS around here!" Which we most definitely do not. I don't even know if our tiny excuse for a zoo has any bears.
tipsana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was waiting for the elevator with my 4 year old son. The doors opened to reveal one of the most morbidly obese women I've ever seen in person.
Out of the corner of my eye, I see my son's hand raising, almost in slow motion, to point in her direction. I knew what was coming and couldn't even begin to know how to stop it. All I could think to do was to push his hand down, as if that could stop what we both knew was coming out of his mouth. In a shocked voice, my son yells "That lady is so huge!".
I told the elevator lady we'd take the next one.
asifnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha my four year old was at a birthday party yesterday and told the birthday boy's mom "you are even bigger than my aunt! And she is the biggest"!
When my sister's and I were little we would follow our fat uncle's around and stick out our bellies as far as they'd stretch and declare "I'm going to be as big as Uncle Jim one day!"
In fairness, if her butt was just big like DAAAAAAYUMN, it might be impressive. If her butt was so big you could set tea on it... well honestly that's still impressive, just in a negative way.
HaydosNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little brother had the same lack of comprehension when he was younger. We were at the mall and he was nagging my mum for a Mars Bar, she politely informed him that if he had too many Mars Bars he would get fat.
We got in the lift moments later and stood next to a rather large fellow, my little brother turned around and asked with a deadpan expression: "Wow, how many Mars Bars have you eaten!?"
Mum couldn't put her hand over his mouth fast enough and usher us out of the lift on the next stop... it was hilarious!
Agarax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids love fat people.
"Santa is fat. Santa brings me cool shit. Therefore fat people are cool."
I was in a grocery store with one of my boys. Maybe four or five at the time. A fat guy was in the same aisle as us. My boy screams to me "look at that big belly!" I was wishing there was a hole big enough for me to crawl into.
JC-Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd better teach him that it's bad for you. That's how I became obese throughout my childhood.
Nah, I just feed him healthy food and make sure he gets plenty of exercise. No shame necessary.
JC-Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not shaming, just giving advice. If you're doing the right things then ok.
eate3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I'd see women at Walmart like this, I'd marvel at them too. Their butts were taller and twice as wide as my body. I'd wonder how they aimed themselves at the toilet seat.
Cleaning those things must be hell. I bet most of them don't even bother D:
I found a school book from when I have six the other day. We had to write five things we liked about ourselves, and number two was "I am heavy." Wish I still thought like this!
cjh93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were taking your 4 year-old to a women's locker room?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you brought your son into the women's locker room? I'm not saying I think it's wrong, but I wonder what it felt like to the ladies in there.. especially the one being so honestly observed..
They thought he was adorable. Most of the people there were elderly so he was the only kid around and he got treated like the beloved grandson for the entire summer. Even by the lady with the big butt.
Give me some credit, I have tact.
McPoyal ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He's not the only one... I'm looking at you black people.
I understand beauty is fairly universally consistent, symmetry and all that jazz. You've probably noticed as well that different cultures still have sometimes subtle differences in preference. I've noticed black people tend to like women with fatter than usual asses as compared to people of other cultures I know.
[deleted] ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 16:53:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure the moment was uncomfortable for the person being called huge, imagine how uncomfortable it is for the person responsible for that adorable bag of verbal diarrhea.
My mom gave up trying by the time is was born. I remember calling some old bald guy at the store enormous because I had just learned the word. The guy looked at my mom and she just shrugged so the guy said I had bug eyes. I said thank you because bugs are awesome and he rolled away.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yer so bad...
[deleted] ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*YUUUGE
bridpath ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Took a friends kid (about 4 or 5 years old) to the concession stand at a baseball game. Standing in line he was looking at the woman behind us who was rather unattractive and a bit muscular. As soon as she said something to her friend he shouted, "OH THATS A LADY!?!".
We didn't stay in line much longer. Not sure if she cared, but damn it was awkward.
1N7B ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I did this when I was a kid and it still sticks with me. I was in summer camp and we were all playing tree tag (touch a tree, you can't be tagged by who's "it"). I was on my tree and yelled to the other kids to watch out for the girl who was it because she was a "BIG, HUGE, WOMAN." I just meant she was bigger than us cause we were like 10 and she was 16. She stopped playing, made a b line for me and with tears in her eyes told me that that was the meanest thing anyone's ever said to her. Then she ran off. I was confused to say the least cause no one ever explained it to me - figured it out years later when reflecting on the memory
WhipWing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:23:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my brother was a wee kid him and dad were out for a walk, my brother started asking dad question about the smelly pirate in front of them.
It was just a guy with an eye-patch who apparently smelled. Dad was fucking mortified. Kids are fucking brutal and it's fucking magnificent.
When I was 7 I was with my mom in a supermarket and there was an extremely obese woman that I saw, at which point I pointed at her and yelled "THAT'S THE FATTEST WOMAN I'VE EVER SEEN!"
Just the other day my SO and I were at a close friend's house. They have this old computer chair with armrests that are a little too close together. We are both overweight (and I have huge hips, always have, even before I was fat) and we were taking turns sitting in the chair to see how tight it was/how fat we were. We fit in the chair but it was one of those where your ass gets squeezed before it actually makes it into the chair. We play this game a lot because my hips are so huge, most public seating is a little tight on me (stadium seating, airline seats, etc.) Their almost 3 year old daughter starts giggling and saying, "EatAtGrizzlebees and SO are too big! Hahaha!" She got such a kick out of it. It was adorable and I love her.
A friend of mine is like 6'5". He has a 3 year daughter that wants to be tall like her daddy. According to her when she grows up she's going to be "really high!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vaeku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8-year-old niece came up to me while I was on my computer and told me she could see the bumps on my head.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was walking with my four year old into Barton Springs in Austin Texas and we passed a man walking with crutches, due to some degenerative disease and my son says loudly, "That man walks funny daddy"
I had no idea what to say, I quickly apologized and hurried my son away before explaining why saying that isn't nice.
Bob49459 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have a ponytail and heard some kid said "Mommy, that girl has big feet!"
I looked at my size 13 boots and couldn't help but laugh.
One time I was in a tiny convenience store with my kid and this elderly man with a walker goes down the aisle and my kid screams "THEY LET OLD PEOPLE IN HERE!!!"
My sister when she was 6 or so used to tell people that my mom's then boyfriend was "long." (He was really really tall and my mom is really really short). We will never let her live it down.
That was Donald Trump's son. He meant to say you are YUUUUUUGE!
Staktaz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No You're Hugh Mungus.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a 6'4" woman and had a great one in an amusement park once. "Mommy, boys are supposed to be that big, not girls!" I thought it was hilarious, mom was mortified.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter, at age 4, hugged her friend's mom who is a larger lady, and lovingly told her, "You're nice and fat!" I was mortified, but the mom took it well. She said, "It's okay! I am fat!" Very friendly and positive and later my daughter and I discussed what is and isn't appropriate to say to people.
Nicbudd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he said "YUUUUGEE" he may have been a Bernie Sanders!
My daughter was about 22 months at the time, and had figured out all of her colors. She would point at an object and excitedly tell me what color it was.
We were standing in line at the grocery store, and suddenly she points behind me and yells, 'black, Mama! Look, black!"
I turn around and there's a black woman behind me.
I was mortified, and ready to apologize, until my daughter grabs my hair and pulls it while screaming, "black!"
My six year old granddaughter would inform you that saying Huge! Is not proactive!
FireFox9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom told me that when I was little i ones whispered to her: "Mom that woman looks like a witch." My mom ignored me, embarrassed and hoping that woman hadn't heard what I had said. I thought my mom didn't hear me so I repeated it out loud. "MOM THAT WOMAN LOOKS LIKE A WITCH". The woman didn't look happy to hear that. Though luckely she didn't use any spells on me.
My girlfriend pointed something out recently: you can always say "she's gotten so big!" when talking about a baby or toddler. The same doesn't work as well for adults though.
"Did you see Jerry at the wedding? He's gotten so big!"
wtfduud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, that reminds me of this four year old in my register line at work a few days ago. We had just put our Halloween costumes out, and there was a big sign with Darth Vader on it for the star wars costumes, and this kid turns around and says/shouts, "Look at the black man, mommy!"
She and I were both mortified until I looked up and saw the Darth Vader. The mom was so embarrassed and immediately hushed him, saying, "We don't say that, his name is Darth Vader." It was so funny.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3 year old did that too! But in her defense, the guy was huge. He was a bodybuilder and he was tall.
msm2485 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at the mall with my niece once when a very obese man walked in front of us. She yelled, as loud as she possibly could I'm sure, "OH MY GOD, HE'S HUUUUGE!".
I didn't even have a sheepish reply, just tried to get the hell out of there.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. Are you sure? 5'8" is not really that tall.
A few years back I went to the park to hang out with my niece. It's always a pleasure to see get as she comes running up to me for a hug. She did this when she saw me, but keep in mind it was a hot summer after noon and I had been sweating. She ran up to me for a hug and I picked her up. She said 'put me down, you smell funny'. I know she didn't mean it to be harmful, just blunt honesty, but damn, that hit a little bit.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:05:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids will cut you down to your core, expose your greatest weaknesses, and pour salt in your deepest emotional wounds....all while sipping on their Kool-Aid.
I once heard a camper tell their counselor that they were afraid of the 300 pound camp director because he was afraid she would eat him.
Koeida ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:40:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But isn't it interesting that the kid doesn't think of it as being a bad thing, and instead likes Hilary for it? When do they learn to dislike people for irrelevant 'flaws'?
idma ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little kids should be president cause they are a real straight talker. Might as well, cause we have Trump. Who is a real straight talker, and had the emotions of a little kid
In middle school once, my homeroom teacher was about 70 years old and had the chin wobble. My best friend and I cut out a gobbler from red paper and stuck it to her podium. She didn't notice it.
keight07 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They so much are and haven't an inkling that they are.
My teeth aren't exactly blinding white, but they don't look like corn nuts either. When my daughter was 3, she informed me that I looked like Austin Powers. That stung a bit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He will grow to be a simple and easily pleased man
When my son was about four, he came running into the bathroom, pointing and laughing at me as I came out of the shower saying"Daddy your penis circus sized!" Found out later my wife had just explained to him what a circumcision was, but initially I thought I was being put down.
I once was swimming with my best friend, and her 4 yo cousin (girl). We were 12, and my boobs hadn't developed all the way yet, and my friend was a little heavier so she didn't have that problem. I was holding her cousin in the shallow end and she pats one of boobs and goes "Small." And then starts laughing. =/
Yeah, apparently when I was little (in 1985), the first time I saw an African American male I asked my mom, "what's wrong with his face?"
Basdad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet you can see Hilary viewing this in private, going to a mirror to check, and getting into a plastic surgeon. Trump toned down his carrot top and spray tan for the last debate.
Oh, are we finally getting a presidential debate?! That will be so nice! I was worried that all we were going to get was these shouting matches between two old white people both shouting at the sky about how great things were 50 years ago and how all these kids these days suck.
But seriosuly how is this still a talking point 1000's of generations into the existence of humanity. The "Kids these days" argument totally worn out. When will we accept that every generation has a different set of inputs from society and reacts the same way, generally, as "you" would given the same input.
Thanks to Trump's shenanigans Hillary isn't even trying to campaign or put forth any of her plans as President, she's basically just laughing, shrugging her shoulders and pointing at him "I'm not that guy, vote for me" and it's working.
Listened to Trump's "rally" or whatever this week, he laid out not ONE single PLAN not even close, it's, frankly, becoming an insult how neither candidate says "I will fix BLAH by doing <THIS>" just a litany of "I will fix blah" and often it's shit that ain't exactly all that broke.
i think you guys expect them to be beamed into your brains or something
See what I mean? Its like she isn't every trying to get us that brain beam she promised.
nebbyb ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:31:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are super detailed policy plans at HRC's website. Like them or not, she is a policy wonk and has been thinking about what she would do as President for a long time. Going detailed in debates is usually a bad idea. Doubly so if the person next to you makes an ass out of themselves every time they open their mouths.
One of his main talking points is that he can't be bought. 99.9% of his campaign funding comes from ordinary citizens buying his hats, donating via texts etc.. Clinton's campaign funding mostly comes from 250,000 dollar wall street speeches.
Numbers don't lie. He also talks shit about lobbyists all the time. In one of his primary debates he was getting booed for calling Jeb(((!))) Bush out for being bought by special interests and he called the audience out too. "oh yeah they don't like me, those are all the lobbyists and special interests in the audience" it's why ordinary people love Trump, he's on our side even though he's rich enough to buy his own politicians and get what he wants without putting himself and his family at risk.
I had a second grader tell me that she has "more chins than Chinatown." I laughed, but then asked him if it's okay to vote for our president based on the nominees looks. He said, "well if we did then we shouldn't vote for trump because he looks like orange juice after a bad day at the beach".
I asked him if he has a serious answer, and he's still thinking about it. I expect a full stand up performance on Monday.
Heheheheh. My dad gets all wound up because Clinton wears "Chairman Mao coats". He doesn't understand the crepe-neck thing that often happens as women age and the fashions designed to cover it. High necks, scarves, or multi-strand necklaces. It's tough getting old.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's right though. Hitler had hair and so did Stalin. There's definitely something to it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit damn.
solusaum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom just told me that a lot of Mexican people have been calling him Trompas which is an animal's mouth and can be translated as trunk.
My kid is 4. He also calls Trump 'Donald Trunk.' He recently saw a YouTube video of Donald Trump saying China for 3 minutes straight. Now he randomly walks around saying 'Donald Trunk China, China, China, China, China, China... hahahahah.'
dchap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She can't even pronounce his name, but even she can tell he's a big liar.
Garona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The snorting giggle of shocked amusement that came out of me when I read about the turkey gobble caused my wife to make fun of me for like 5 minutes straight. She's still going on about it as I type this. I hope you're happy.
a little girl very seriously informed me that, " Donald Trunk (yes, she said Trunk) was a bad man because he tells people he has lots of good surprises but he's really a big liar".
A little child who has nothing to do with politics has influenced opinions and biases about something she doesn't even fully understand. That's what happens when people smear each other and manipulate each other for their own, personal, yet short-term, gain.
You can't vote for not-Trump. You can vote for Hillary, or you can vote for Trump. Correct politics is to promote oneself by own merit and reason, not shady comparison and, again, smearing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We kinda did. We only vote for the party we want in power. The party leader then becomes prime minister. So technically they could just switch leader immediately after the election although that would never happen because of the political implications of it.
PallBear ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:18:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(US here) We do the opposite. We have primaries and party conventions to select party candidates, then each party's candidate is on the national ballot. It gets more complicated at the state level, though, where some states leave third party candidates off the ballot, or have caucuses instead of elections to determine their convention delegates.
Well... technically the opposite, yeah. Though a lot of people really don't care who is on the ballot (this election is really proving the point, I think), they're just voting for the party they want in power too.
I don't know about more current polls, but Theresa May has had a much higher favourability rating than Corbyn, as well as Trump and Clinton. I don't think most British people view her as a bad choice.
Canazza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Scot, we're looking West and South with butts so clenched we couldn't pass Haggis if we wanted to.
Bad_Vaio ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is the least shit option. Corbyn is like a ship without a rudder, a captain and a ship and the liberal guy Tim Farron would lose in a 'who the fuck are you ?' competition.
Well it's not like you guys need to like any politicians ever, because every generation there's a bunch of adorable little royals popping out. With luck, some of them remain likable even up to adulthood.
octodrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hey, down in Australia we haven't voted for a prime minister in what feels like decades, i sympathise with you.
Well its not the same reason at all, is it. For one most people wanted to Leave. It wasn't like they were forced to vote Leave because they didn't like the other candidate, which is the case in the US now, because it was a referendum.
Same case with Theresa May, the majority of the public view her with net positive favourability, whereas the consensus across the US and the UK as your parent comment said is that both candidates are pretty terrible. Easily the worst choice of presidential candidates in the past few decades.
It's not different. People have had to vote for both Trump and Hillary for them to get this far. It's not like there were no other options.
ziplocka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yep this guy is right. The answer we are looking for is that the general public in the uk are self serving cunts. Scotland aside, theyre still cool with me.
We don't really have off year elections, all the MPs are elected in a general election every 5 years. The only exception is if the current MP leaves (resigns, fired or dies) there will be a by-election in their constituency to elect their replacement. The leader of the party with the most MPs becomes Prime Minister. The leader of the party is selected by the party, not the public.
We do have local elections in off years and they generally have a pretty low turnout.
Fellow UK high school here, they're seriously perplexed as to why Bernie Sanders isn't in the running.
Also, on a recent trip to our capital city, we happened to meet some American tourists and before I could stop them, literally 30 12 year olds swarmed round them and begged them 'PLEASE don't vote for Trump! We're scared!'
patsmad ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:35:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of funny but I am American but working in the UK. A bunch of people could not understand how bernie was even qualified to be president and just perplexed that either him or trump could have gotten the nomination. They put them on the same level. Which I was surprised by.
We are late twenties though. And I did find a few people lamenting the fact that now that a dem victory is all but certain that a "real progressive" wasn't the nominee.
lilituba ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 17:27:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did they miss the fact that Sanders actually has a political career?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A very long one during which he has accomplished nothing of note.
Edit: I seem to have rustled some jimmies. Look guys, I love Bernie. He's a true champion of the people. But he doesn't have a single noteworthy legislative accomplishment to his name, and that says a lot about his ability to effectively govern.
lilituba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe that's true. He's pretty outspoken and that perception might come from the fact that he stands for a lot of things that the senate majority is against. I think that the fact that he holds strong and doesn't fold to the majority is more telling than anything.
The political spectrum in the US is much more right-wing though; so while Bernie looks reasonable to us, he's a dyed-in-the-wool commie to some Americans, Hillary is equivalent to a Tory, but still centre-left to the US and Trump is a US conservative but equivalent to Farage here!!
Trump isn't a normal conservative by US standards either. That's why this election is so bizarre. Usually our Republicans are more like Thatcher than Farage.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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nermid ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some Americans think Bernie is a straight up commie
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:18:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Richy_T ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise for American liberals and "Nazi"
alawa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:01:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the difference liberals don't literally think conservatives are nazis, like we don't think Trump actually wants commit genocide or anything, it's just a buzzword that I admit is overused. But it does have merit in that white nationalists seem very drawn to Trump. You won't see any socialists or communists touch Obama or Clinton with a 10 foot pole. Many conservatives on the other hand literally believe that Obama is a communist/socialist. Hillary is too wrapped up in scandals which are a much easier target than communist accusations so she isn't seeing much of that.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's out there. The problem is, we tend to meet and befriend people who have similar views and temperaments to our own. You (assuming you're liberal) don't hang around with many/any people who would call the right wing Nazis and I (living in a red state) know many people of the conservative persuasion who don't call left-wingers communists. There are groups on both sides who sincerely believe these things, however and you don't have to look too far to find them.
It's important to remember that there are a huge majority of people out there who aren't foaming-at-the-mouth politicos and just want what's best and just have differing views about how to do it. The politicians and the media just like to play up the hatred cause it's good for votes and viewing figures (though less and less so)
alawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:45 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given the amount of support Trump gets from White Nationalists it isn't unreasonable to use a Nazi analogy. If Hillary and Obama were endorsed by communist organizations I would say the same, but that isn't the case.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:25 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not really. As much as you would like it, logic doesn't work that way.
alawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:34 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:55 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are defined by their policies and beliefs, not by groups that they have no control over that choose to support them.
alawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:17 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And why do you think so many white nationalists choose to support Trump? My guess would be he says things that appeal to white nationalists, hence the Hitler analogies.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:59 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I know you would like to believe that but it's a stretch too far for me. I'll agree that he has some policies that are more in line with what they'd like than Clinton's are but from there to "Trump is literally Hitler"? I'll have to agree to disagree.
alawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:52 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the difference liberals don't literally think conservatives are nazis, like we don't think Trump actually wants commit genocide or anything, it's just a buzzword that I admit is overused
I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi. I'm saying it's a much more apt comparison than calling Obama or Hillary a communist
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:38 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I can kinda go with that. But mostly because calling either of them a communist is way out of bounds. Particularly Hillary who is nothing if not a friend of Wall Street.
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling Trump a fascist isn't that much of a reach though, and there are parallels between Trump and Hitler that are valid
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no fan of trump but I think it's more of a reach than you do. And parallels between politician X and Hitler have been brought up for politicians on both sides of the aisle as long as I can remember (and that's a long time) but I have yet to see one commit genocide against the Jews (or any other peoples come to that) so dialing back the hysteria is probably in order.
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://warisboring.com/yes-trump-is-a-fascist-heres-the-checklist-1920ad4d8163#.bt3baky35 Here's a good article about that. Yeah he's not after the Jews, he's after the Muslims and Mexicans. His whole campaign has been ran on him saying that he wants Mexicans and Muslims out of this country, and we should put a ban on Muslims altogether, or marking them so the public can identify them. He's talked about killing innocent families of Muslim people. Not even getting into his blatant sexism and groping/rape charges.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, I could call out the flat-out lies in what you just wrote but I suspect you already know them well enough.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an older cousin who had my respect until Obama was elected. He's been spiraling ever since. Just the other day, he told me that if Hillary was on stage with Hitler, Pol Pot and Cthulhu, she still wouldn't be the lesser evil. I said he was pushing it, and he informed me that "all of them are socialists." Yes, even Cthulhu. He clarified it for me when I laughed at him. And then his younger brother told me that the election is rigged anyway, so... that entire branch of my family can piss off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Bernie is Jeremy Corbyn, Hillary Clinton is Ed Miliband
ziplocka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very unfair on Ed. Corbyn has essentially just adopted the 2015 manifesto, it is just people are now more willing to listen to it with him there and not just assume it is smoke and mirrors by Blair associates. Ed really had it nailed at the last election policy wise imo, the country would certainly be in a far superior state at the minute had he won, Ed's issues were ones of image certainly not decency, integrity, policy, or ideology. In fact the plethora of articles you see coming out that quiz middle England Tories on preferred policy before jumping out with a Corbyn mask to try and prove some sort of point are basically just Milliband's manifesto (eg. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-media-policies-labour_uk_57fe651be4b0010a7f3da76b)
Hillary is more soft Tory and 'liberal' across the board like Cameron was.
There is very little 'traditional political debate' in America, neo-liberal economics remain largely unquestioned, small state remains the idolised goal, social problems remain a product of the individual, protecting and furthering patriotism and the military remain the primary function of the government etc etc. Granted there is a debate over these things within small sections of the population, but there is cross party consensus at the top. A consensus that in Europe is consistently in line with our far/centre right options.
American Elections are fought on socially liberal issues cemented in a religious hangover.
Most Republicans share those stances although they might be a bit less loud about it.
But if you look at other issues like gay marriage, abortion, or other social issues trump is far closer to the center.
alawa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's why I made the point about Trumps rhetoric being different. He doesn't have the same Christian message backing his words the way republicans have for the past few decades.
He isn't very forthcoming on any particular stances, other than his rants about immigration. He changes his positions so frequently, who knows what that fucker actually believes.
rkiga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an American who spends more time reading about UK politics (except this past month), you're kind of distorting things. Yes US politics is right of the UK. But Trump is not a normal conservative and he's unlike any major party US presidential candidate in recent decades.
And to be fair, it's pretty easy to find examples in UK politics for "racist party" candidates getting votes or winning their elections.
In the 2014 local elections, UKIP won 163 seats, an increase of 128, but did not take control of any council. In the 2014 European Parliament elections, UKIP received the greatest number of votes (27.49%) of any British party, producing 24 MEPs.
First past the post isn't great, and pretty much everyone agrees that the US electoral college is terrible. But the main problem in the US (as in many political systems) is that people just don't vote in primaries or don't vote at all. With these voting numbers it's not surprising that once in a while we get terrible candidates:
Trump isn't even close to representative of mainstream conservatives in the U.S., he's the equivalent of garage on our side of the pond too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In no world is Hillary equivalent to a Tory. She's as left as Obama is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie has also been in politics longer than most voters have been alive and doesn't really have anything to show for it. He was great at changing the national conversation, he is terrible at actually doing things.
Fellow UK high school here, they're seriously perplexed as to why Bernie Sanders isn't in the running.
Well, there's a few reasons, but the biggest is that socialism is not nearly as ubiquitous here in America. Almost a century of anti-left propaganda has scarred this country's political atmosphere, all in the name of "fighting the evil Commie Russians".
The second reason is that, while Bernie was more popular than any of the major candidates by the time the conventions rolled around, his popularity was mostly with independents and not with democrats. The key to understanding why he lost is to understand the base of the two parties. Some of the largest democratic voting blocs are not young, white, college students liberals but an aging population that is heavily involved in religion. For example, demographics show that black people overwhelmingly vote democrat every election cycle. This does not mean they are liberal. The problem is that the media has conflated the party with an ideology, when the reality is more complex. Democrats are not inherently more Liberal than Republicans, even if the party platform is. They just have a different perspective and a stronger emphasis on certain topics. A large portion of the black population is actually Evangelical, similar to a lot of the white Republican voters. However, they put less importance on social issues like abortion and more on things like discrimination or poverty reduction. The same can be said for Hispanics in the party, who tend to be Catholic and often pretty devout to the church.
Of course, that is a generalization. Not all black democrats are Evangelicals, not all Hispanic democrats are devout Catholics, and not all white democrats are college-aged liberals. A greater disparity comes in age, with older democrats leaning towards conservatism while the younger population leans towards liberalism, progressivism, and socialism. The democratic party is, in theory, a coalition of these viewpoints, but since the older population tends to vote more, the party is more representative of their ideologies.
With all that said, the actual, registered democratic base thought Sanders was too far left. Even if more people liked him on a national level, this was not a national election, but a party election. Only party members could vote to select the party's candidate (although some states did allow independents or even republicans to vote so long as they declared for the democrats beforehand). Thus, the more conservative leaning elements won out, and we got Clinton.
I make it sound irrational, and I want to stress that I really don't see it that way. Back in the primaries, I knew many Clinton supporters, and they all generally had a fair line of reasoning. Most of them just disagreed on Sanders' policy and rhetoric, particularly his attacks of "Wall Street" (which even as a Sanders supporter were admittedly vague, unhinged, and bordering on the kind of attacks Trump uses against the media, minority groups, and politicians) and his "eat the rich" mentality.
Conspiring against a candidate to give one the upper hand by swaying the minds of the voters is different than flat out electoral fraud. Neither are good but neither are the same.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:05:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No because more people voted for Hillary. You lily white candidate couldn't attract minorities. Deal with it.
Stupid question but what makes you say American polities sway to the right? I'm not disagreeing, just confused on where that idea/information comes from.
And if it is true, why in the world do Democrats even stand a chance if the most of American's are leaning to the right.
And if it is true, why in the world do Democrats even stand a chance if the most of American's are leaning to the right.
Because Democrats aren't left wing. They're centrists, that's a byproduct of the US leaning right. That's the same reason Hilary won the primaries and not Bernie, because the Democratic Party is not a left wing party.
I say this from my perspective as a Canadian. But when you look at the US vs western politics and to some extent globally the US is clearly relatively very right winged. The GOP has gone so right winged that when you look at the positions of conservatives in other countries be it Canada, the UK, Europe by American standards much of the people who identify as conservative here in contrast to US politics look almost liberal by American standards.
Like in the US there's a lot of the public that refer to Bernie Sanders as "far far left" but he's not, he's by definition center-left. I live in a country where a large chunk of Republicans are convinced that Canada is a socialist country some go so far as to call a single payer healthcare system communism. Meanwhile in Canada we have more economic freedom than the US...
What Americans call a moderate the rest of the western world calls a conservative. Just the US having so insanely high costs of higher education and the absence of socialized medicine shows how far to the right the US leans. There's this whole survival of the fittest mentality on the US, you're left on your own to fend for your self. American's the only western country that doesn't have universal healthcare and that doesn't have mandatory by law minimum vacation times, etc.
Not to mention American has the bible belt. Now sure not all of the US is right winged, as you can see it is very present by the popularity Bernie gained within certain circles. But clearly much of the population is right winged enough to sway mainstream politics to the center-right.
Oh my god your right... I'd never even thought about it. I mean I'm am and always have been an American so I didn't even realize that other countries were all that different (on more than a surface level at least). Thanks for taking the time to write that out and even provide some sources. I've had my mind blown a little today.
The entire system leans. The left/center/right in america are further right than the respective leans in other countries.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's proof the DNC conspired against him. That's not the same as being rigged bit it's definitely influence to sway the results.
They didn't "conspire" against him, they simply didn't want someone who was not a member of their party to become their party's nominee for president. When Bernie decided to be a democrat in all but name so he could avoid paying into the party fund, he didn't make many friends. He made a selfish decision and he paid for it.
Teuthex ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:25:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks showed that the DNC conspired to elect Hillary. Bernie delegates were threatened with loss of funding, Donna Brazile leaked debate questions to the Hillary camp, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was essentially fired from being the DNC head and hired as Hillary's campaign manager... She's now facing a class action lawsuit for rigging the primaries.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:21:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there was some sketchy shit going on during the primaries in a few states but none of it was really partisan just horseshit incompetence.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:29:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC conspiring against him has been public information for some time now thanks to WikiLeaks.
melonowl ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Clinton's policies being more in line with the majority of Democratic primary voters.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The young white men on reddit will never accept this.
h_keller3 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:15:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol some things never do change. Especially the ignorance of Bernie or busters
ikorolou ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:41:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie Sanders is not in the running because he won neither the correct number of delegates, nor the popular vote. The internet shit its pants for Bernie, and if you only interact with Americans on the internet then it probably seemed like he was a lot more popular. But he wasn't, more Democrats in America liked Hilary than Bernie.
Wolfntee ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:40:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. overall is generally more conservative than the American user base of reddit. I could totally see how outsiders could get the wrong idea about his popularity because of the general bias of the userbase.
teslaabr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:01:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you spent time in /r/politics during the primaries it was basically treating Hillary how it is now treating Trump and treating Bernie how it is now treating Hillary (i.e. the sub was just a giant Bernie fan club). Anything pro-Hillary was down voted to hell and anything pro-Bernie was straight to the front page.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. overall is generally more conservative than the American user base of reddit.
Not really. The US user base of reddit tends to skew slightly towards soft racism and misogyny. So while they might be more prone to smoking pot and fiscal liberalism they don't really care about a lot of the things Hillary wants to do for women and minorities.
ikorolou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:46:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean reddit is majority younger people, who tend to be a lot more liberal anyway. Plus reddit is a huge online platform, where it's encouraged to fact check people as you argue and as we all know reality tends to have a liberal bias.
Bernie Sanders is not in the runing because the DNC wanted Hillary and did everything in their power to make sure Hillary won the nomination.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alright I mean go back and look at the numbers from the primary, both the results and the polls, Hilary wins a lot
negbreg ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:20:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason why Bernie Sanders isn't successful is sort of the same reason why Jeremy Corbyn isn't successful -- old, weak, "too nice", and with a minority of supporters that are young, powerless, and poor.
This hurt me a little on the inside mostly because I realized that your right, I'm young, powerless, and poor. It just reminds me that our system in a sense is broken in that my actual vote really doesn't mean all that much and that there are a ton of other issues that skew things because of the two party system.
I'll still vote regardless because not voting somehow feels worse. But as I continue to become an adult, it's just painful to see how our actual system works at times.
True but being voted in within the party and being effective in the larger community are two different things. I can see how the party majority ended up turning his way (even if the party grandees aren't so hot on him) but they hardly reflect the countries opinions, especially with the recent electoral history.
Because being elected twice in a year is such a good sign for leadership/s
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure you could accuse Corbyn of being too nice any more considering he's basically alienated most of his party with stubbornness and allegedly being very difficult to work with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He made no effort to really connect with any demographic as well.
But it could have been better. Someone here on Reddit talked about their experience working for a Sanders office and how poorly it was run. From what I basically remember it was a lot of younger people just being lazy and angry.
I volunteered with the SF for Hillary campaign during the primary and it was run pretty poorly too. Some regions may have been better.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:47:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The truth is, it's all a false dichotomy. The money that runs our country doesn't care who we elect. Because it doesn't matter. They still run it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is ignorant bullshit. If you really think all candidates are the same you should look harder.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because the money that runs this country would bet their chances on random candidates. It doesn't fucking matter. You want to get all on your high horse about voting? Taking the time off to do so is economically pointless for most poor people in this country. The candidate that is elected affects their bottom line less than taking the time off.
You still think your vote matters? Enjoy your fucking bubble. And you call me ignorant.
Actually far more people like him than Clinton. Just that Democratic voters liked Hilary more.
Also I'd suspect the reason Brits don't understand why Bernie isn't still running is because they can't wrap their head around the concept of a two party system.
redminx17 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:11:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
because they can't wrap their head around the concept of a two party system.
Brit here. That's .... that's a joke right? I can't tell the tone of the comment, but if it's not a joke then you are dead wrong. Our political system has been two-party for much of its existence and it's only very recently that third parties have begun to make any real headway in Westminster. In practice it's pretty much still a two-party system and that's only just beginning to change now with the last couple of election cycles & the EU ref. The idea that Brits 'can't wrap their heads around' a two-party system is laughable.
Other parties win seats in your elections, though, don't they? In the states, it's literally 2 or 3 independent candidates that hold congressional or senatorial seats. And those ones are usually well liked former Republicans or Democrats that left the party because they disagreed somehow with their party.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually not to enough of a degree to make any difference.
I'm not being literal I'm not joking either, just making an over statement.
Mind you Britain is not a two party system, as far as I'm aware never has been. Yes there are two main parties but the ones on the sidelines are always on the side lines. In the US though there isn't even a single seat held by a third party, the last time a single member of the electoral college was elected that wasn't bound to vote for a Republican or Democrat was what around the 1950s?
What I mean is in most countries even if two parties dominate the 3rd, 4th, etc. candidates still run come election time. The population still recognizes them as a valid choice come the election. In the US everyone just accepts that no one else could win bite out toes we're stuck with only 2 options voting for anyone else is pointless.
This is why Bernie doesn't just run independent and the race continues. Instead he gives up and endorses Hilary.
Britain was pretty much a two group system for two centuries (Whigs/Tories then Liberals/Conservatives) Though tbf party politics only really came about in the the latter two groups stages. Labour starts rising very very late 19th century but they don't win much for a while.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually it's still considered a two party system as long as only two parties have a realistic chance of governing. It could be that the UK is transitioning from two party to multi party though.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just something disaffected Americans say so they can shit on their own country.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Brits would be confused at a two party system, it's very simple and our country isn't much different in that respect, the same two parties have been winning for decades.
"Democrats arrived at their nominating convention on Sunday under a cloud of discord as Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, abruptly said she was resigning after a trove of leaked emails showed party officials conspiring to sabotage the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont." - New York Times
Democratic National Committee issued an apology to Sanders moments after the convention opened, likely hoping to help soothe tensions heading into the week.
"On behalf of everyone at the DNC, we want to offer a deep and sincere apology to Sen. Sanders, his supporters, and the entire Democratic Party for the inexcusable remarks made over email," the statement said. "These comments do not reflect the values of the DNC or our steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process. The DNC does not -- and will not -- tolerate disrespectful language exhibited toward our candidates. Individual staffers have also rightfully apologized for their comments, and the DNC is taking appropriate action to ensure it never happens again." - CNN
(Edit: Source Edit #2: I'd like to consider myself a fairly open minded person, but the coverage of this seems pretty straight forward. What am I not reading? What am I overlooking? The majority of reputable news sources are all saying the same thing, but I'm open to you showing me the error in my research.)
I guess it's not that you're overlooking exactly, but you're seeing information where there is none. There is no evidence that they actually implemented any illegal or non-neutral tactics, imo. Sure the emails prove that the DNC wanted Clinton. They wanted the candidate they thought would best beat the GOP in November (not getting into the argument over that should have been), but they never actually DID anything to "rig" the election one way or another.
If you had you would have read the chairwoman's emails discussing a plan to have someone ask Bernie about his faith and allege he was an atheist in order to split votes in Clinton's favor.
Not sure how that proves your little conspiracy though....just shows that political campaigns are campaigning and want to beat their (real)(general election) opponent.
This was an email between the campaign and the DNC. The DNC is supposed to be a neutral collection of party members. That's where the issue lies. May you also define what conspiracy you claim I believe in? I think there may be some confusion there. All I'm saying is that the Democratic National Convention played favorites and helped conspire to negatively impact Bernie's campaign.
Yeah, and I've seen no evidence that they actually put into action any plan to negatively impact his campaign. Of course they should've stayed neutral, I think that's a big issue. It just seems like people take it a step further when there is no proof.
junkmale ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:00:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, so are we gonna ignore the rampant cheating, voter disenfranchisement, ridiculous party laws, and thousands of emails that show the DNC Illegally corroborating with Hillary? How about all the lies and lack of attention he received the first 20 states, where he still won 9? If it was a fair fight, he would have won. You're literally blind if you think the election wasn't stolen from him.
thousands of emails that show the DNC Illegally corroborating with Hillary?
Show us. I saw some emails indicating a preference and wishing Sanders would just drop out, but the vast majority were after New York when he didn't really have much of a chance anyways. Obama won the primary in '08 because he had the support of young voters and minorities. Sanders had problems gaining traction with the latter. That is why he lost, anything beyond that is just excuses.
Like taking advantage of the weirdness of caucses in Iowa? Which Sanders turned right around and did in other caucus races?
voter disenfranchisement
The result of purges? Those typically hit minority neighborhoods harder, and I didn't really see any solid evidence of it happening beyond the normal level Republicans pull for the general. Or sour grapes about closed primaries? The Sanders campaign (Which I did consulting work for in my state, mind you) made every effort to register people with their party. It was known well in advance the primaries would be closed, so if his supporters couldn't swallow their pride and register as a Dem for the primary that's on them.
ridiculous party laws
Superdelegates? Didn't stop Obama and they weren't anything new. Sanders should have started earlier to get more of them in his camp.
How about all the lies and lack of attention he received the first 20 states, where he still won 9?
Everyone complains about the media, but they were way more focused on the Republicans anyways. He got his due for winning New Hampshire, but the rest of those 20 (more like 22) were in two blocks that Clinton won overall.
I personally think the media was a massive hindrance to his campaign though. They never conveyed that he stood a chance, never made him seem viable, never really gave him much coverage at all. So the American people who don't approve of Republicans wanted someone who would beat Trump, so they were led to believe that person would be Clinton.
The major difference that I notice between people who want Clinton in and people who wanted Sanders in is that Clinton supporters always say "Well Clinton is the lesser of 2 evils," and people who supported Sanders genuinely liked and believed in his cause
It's a shame it turned out the way it did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally think the media was a massive hindrance to his campaign though.
He actually got way more positive coverage than Hillary.
I didn't see much of it. Though I don't go out of my way to watch the news anymore, it's just on at work all day. Most of the things I saw just had projections about Hillary winning. America has the mentality that we're choosing a "winner," so they picked a "winner." A lot of the statistics were skewed and different depending what channel you were on, also. People also focused on ANYTHING to do with Clinton more, and it was constantly conveyed as Clinton v. Trump at the beginning, aside from the short period of time Jeb was considered a front-runner. They presumed.
Obviously other factors play in as to why Sanders lost. A lot of people genuinely just thought he was too left and didn't want him. That's okay, I understand that. But I do think the media treated Sanders more unfairly than Clinton.
No, cheating like purging voter records (didn't just happen to black people), limiting polling places, lying to people about affidavit ballots, having absolutely corrupt party laws (just cause they exist, doesn't make them okay dude, coin flip anyone?)
How much of an effort could have been made to register voters in let's say New York, where the deadline to switch affiliation was October, a month before the first Democratic debate. That's not fucked at all right? Completely Democratic! And don't try to pull the (well it's their party shtick, it's anti Democratic and should be illegal what they do)
Super delegates being reported as voted by the media, showing Clinton with a 300 pt lead before the first ballot was cast was an organzied, corrupt method of voter disenfranchisement. The media plays a huge part.
Yeah, they didn't rip Bernie for months, but until he was on her heels he was completely fucking ignored. Why do you think they were focusing on Republicans so much? To distract you from what was going on with Democrats. It's all 1 big game to the corporations who run us dude.
The fact you have to pre-register for a party in some states before even hearing candidates speak is a symptom of a great illness. It's a great obstacle to democracy to say "pick your support for a party NOW before even seeing who that candidate is." There is no gray area.
Got that right. Washington was right about party politics. They divide, not unite. It's all a load of shit. It's hard to not be cynical when you look at things. Both parties are 2 sides of the same coin. They divide us between elephants and donkeys so they can control us. Our country just doesn't work anymore. It's too big and theres too many differing ideas, so politicians can say whatever they want, get elected and then do whatever they want, because as long as some people, and the media, are on your side, nobody really questions you.
Life in Florida is a lot different than life in wyoming. Something needs to change about the way we run things.
Well I'm from Northern Ireland, we tried our best, sorry! No one cares what we think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
they're seriously perplexed as to why Bernie Sanders isn't in the running.
Because as much as people (myself included) like Bernie's rhetoric he's still a super old career politician with no real accomplishments and no real plan for if he actually got elected. I voted for the guy to push the party platform left, but I don't for one second believe he could actually effectively govern the nation.
Despite what you hear on the internet, a lot of people actually trust Hillary Clinton to run the country. Yeah, she doesn't seem like someone you would want to have a beer with, and she's done some shady shit, but she's rich and she's been in politics for a long time, so of course there have been some back room deals. People who are truly upset by that are hopelessly naive. At the end of the day, she's pretty liberal (moreso than Obama was in 2008) and can effectively do her job.
As much as people will flare up at this, a substantial amount of the hate for her is based in the fact that she's a powerful woman. You can see it in the dogwhistling language people use to talk about her. I'm not saying she's the best person ever, there are legitimate reasons some people don't like her. If people don't like her policy positions, I understand and respect that. People that have a problem with her character are, for the most part, holding her to a hypocritical double standard.
RCS47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your typical Trump rally attendee* doesn't have the disposable income for international travel. Nor would their lives be organized enough to apply for a passport.
American here, many of us are perplexed also. The way our voting system works makes it so our votes don't really matter, so it's pretty common that two enormous assholes control the race.
Bernie Sanders isn't in the running because he had lofty ideals and dreams, but no way to realize them. He didn't present a viable budget that stood a snowball's chance in Hell of passing both chamber to finance his campaign promises, not did he present a viable method of gaining enough votes in both chambers to pass his campaign promises. Even with the Democrats retake both houses (and that prospect was mighty shaky back then, not at all like it is now), the Republicans could still (probably would) filibuster Sanders' campaign promises out of existence.
It's nice top have dreams and all, but it's not such good if you have no way of getting them realizing within the 4-8 years you'll be in office. It's also easy to promise Utopia if you know you won't have to bring it about, only try and then say "But I tried my hardest!". Sure, you can fight for it for 4 years, but it's pretty meaningless if in the end you have nothing to show for it.
Sanders campaign promises were a much more benign and advantageous for society version of Trump's campaign promises: A lot of things that have no way of really coming to pass.
Don't worry - Trump voters rarely leave the country. It's all about kicking people OUT, not going to other people's countries. The ones you met were probably liberals.
Maybe if Trump is elected you won't have to fear $1 = ยฃ1, once Article 50 is activated.
sane-ish ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:29:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actual answer: they're nominated through a series of primaries and caucuses. Most of the time, the candidate with the highest bankroll gets the vote. It is incredibly expensive to run because of marketing costs, and travel. Half of those that run don't get any publicity because they don't have visibility.
Not only that but the person who gets the most backing from a political party usually wins the slot. This is due to the immense power they have over certain news organizations.
Mainly because the political machine of those two parties is so strong that the likelihood of any qualified 3rd party candidate actually succeeding is very small, let alone 3rd party candidates like the ones running this year. 3rd party candidates don't even get allowed into the debates unless they are polling 15% in national polls, so exposure to them is essentially null compared to the main two parties. Add to that the fact that Stein is weirdly anti-science on certain issues (vaccines), and Johnson is so fringe that he wants to eliminate the Department of Education and he barely can articulate a fact about foreign policy, well then the obvious outcome is that we're left with just the main two candidates.
As to how Clinton and Trump could succeed while being so disliked? The simplest explanation for Trump is that the Republican primary had so many candidates for so long that it allowed someone who otherwise would have been a fringe candidate was able to tap into enough of a percentage of the vote by alienating minorities and attacking "politics as usual." The simplest explanation for Clinton is that the DNC supported her from the start and spent the vast majority of the primary process downplaying or outright ignoring her opponent, Sanders. Of course there were many other factors for both primaries, but those are the simplest ones.
Perhaps the more nuanced response is that she casts doubt on whether we can trust mandatory vaccinations and legitimizes anti-vaccers concerns by saying there are "real questions" that have yet to be resolved about them. Her comments have also centered around mercury, which is one of the common anti-vaccination myths.
So yeah, she's not outright saying "ban vaccines," but she's certainly pandering to the crowd that is.
If the worst thing you can say about the lady is she "panders to anti-vaxxers" she's still got my vote. Her comments mostly center around anti-vaxxers legitimate concerns that regulatory agencies are being run by industry insiders. Even in the link in that Washington post article listed two different drug company executives on the vaccine board. Is Forbes also pandering to anti-vaxxers?
You're welcome to have your opinion on the topic. It doesn't change my opinion that her greatest strength is undercut by her wishy-washy statements.
And comparing a presidential candidate to a news organization is quite absurd. Who is to say one article by one journalists reflects an entire agency's views on a topic? By contrast, presidential candidates are held to their own words.
My point is that saying the FDA is too heavily influenced by pharmaceutical companies isn't some off the wall radical idea, this is evidenced by the fact that it's something that even Forbes, known for their more or less mainstream political outlook, would publish. When you are running a long shot campaign that is actually progressive instead of neo-liberal centrism you're going to need people on the extreme left voting for you, in America that means Anti-vaxxers. Personally I'm comfortable with that political reality, especially since Jill's answer for them is to speak out against regulatory capture. I'd rather throw my hat in with the crazies than support the whole drone bombing, drug war, neo-colonialist status quo of the Democrats.
When you are running a long shot campaign that is actually progressive instead of neo-liberal centrism you're going to need people on the extreme left voting for you
That's my entire issue. She is running a long-shot campaign, so her pandering on this issue at all is ridiculous. She hasn't just limited her critiques of mandatory vaccinations to the FDA. And it's insane to suggest she needs to appeal to anti-vaxxers to capture the "far left." So sorry, I'm just not convinced. You're welcome to be, and I literally couldn't be bothered by that. It's just a difference of a opinion.
And it's insane to suggest she needs to appeal to anti-vaxxers to capture the "far left."
16% of Americans either think vaccines are either unsafe or are "unsure" about their safety. My guess is the vast majority of those people are kombucha drinking yoga class vegans on the far left, maybe I'm wrong about that but it does seem to be very liberal parts of the country that are having an uptick in non-vaccinated children. When you're polling between 2% and 4% it makes sense that you would need to make some compromises in that direction if you want to expand your base.
She hasn't just limited her critiques of mandatory vaccinations to the FDA.
It's literally in the primary article we talked about. Anti-vaxxers complain that mercury leads to autism. She specifically references mercury and says:
My guess is the vast majority of those people are kombucha drinking yoga class vegans on the far left, maybe I'm wrong about that but it does seem to be very liberal parts of the country that are having an uptick in non-vaccinated children.
So basically your source is rampant speculation? Cool.
When you're polling between 2% and 4% it makes sense that you would need to make some compromises in that direction if you want to expand your base.
I disagree. When your campaign has literally no chance of winning, you demonstrate what a principled politician looks like. You don't pander on pseudo-science, especially when half of your notoriety stems from criticizing those in the main political parties for not listening to scientists on climate change.
Finally, I don't know why you're continuing to respond here. Each time I've said I couldn't care that you're willing to ignore this as an issue; the point is that I'm not. But I will be ignoring this thread going forward.
Whatever. That quote is giving context as to why the regulations matter and why some of the concerns were legitimate medical inquiry. She was explaining that the FDA didn't, or rather might not have addressed some of the concerns surrounding vaccines which is why people don't trust it. It's her explaining why anti-vaxxers exist in the first place and the media jumped on it and made it seem like she was in fact the whack-a-do simply because she can empathize with where those people are coming from. People's distrust in the government regulators is actually leading to measles outbreaks. She is in fact the only candidate with a reasonable solution to what to do about anti-vaxxers, which is to create a regulatory system the people can trust. In that, she does pander to anti-vaxxers. To me it's much better than just completely writing off 16% of the population as conspiracy nuts with no basis in reality.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mainly because the political machine of those two parties is so strong that the likelihood of any qualified 3rd party candidate actually succeeding is very small, let alone 3rd party candidates like the ones running this year.
Actually, the strength of the 2 party system is directly related to the first-past the post, winner take all electoral system. It's called Duverger's law
Lokmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, I don't think that's true. I think most people are fine with their party's candidate. When I talk to people about the election rather than getting info from mass media, most registered Democrats like Hilary, and most registered Republicans like Trump. Except the evangelical Christians, who are not thrilled with Trump, but they were only really happy with GW, because he was an evangelical too. Now there are plenty of liberals who don't like Hillary, and lots of conservatives who don't like Trump, but I would say that those people are probably not often happy with the mainstream two party nominees in any election.
Because they are still better options than the 2 beneath them. Gary Johnson and Jill Stein don't seem to have the abilities to run this country. Jill says things that are anti-feminist. Gary doesn't know anything.
More qualified than Trump? Absolutely, no question. I think because I held a student government position in middle school, I'm more qualified than the Donald. But I still wouldn't want Gary as president.
I don't agree with everything he stands for, but I was very ready to vote for him this election, but his Aleppo slip up and not being able to name a foreign leader was the final straw for me.
We simply cannot have a president who is THAT oblivious to foreign policy.
There's a difference between being an isolationist who doesn't want to be involved in foreign affairs, and having no idea what is going on around you.
Being an isolationist doesn't mean you lock yourself in your proverbial closet and ignore everything outside your room.
Even If Johnson somehow managed to win the presidency, he can't just walk into the oval office call up all the other countries and just sever ties. And if your response to that statement is, "well why not" then you don't understand the nuances of global politics and only help my point about why Gary shouldn't become president.
No, my response to that is that deciding not to vote for a guy because he had a blank and didn't understand the words spoken to him in the moment when you were previously "very ready to vote for him" is pretty stupid. It's pretty obvious that Johnson knows exactly what is going on in Syria, you would have to have zero contact with the outside world to not know.
As for the "I can't name a foreign leader I respect" thing, my personal theory is that as a libertarian you can't really respect any foreign leader. You're the furthest to the right possible on the American political spectrum, how the hell are you going to respect a leader in any country where even the most ardent right-wingers would be considered moderate right over here?
Sanders.....
I think the point is that the two party system (when was the last independent elected?) is rigged because of the insane amount of money they are allowed to spend campaigning. If they leveled the field by capping that spending, people would actually care about policy and not the rhetoric being spewed by your news sources.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't pretend sanders is innocent of spending shitloads of money trying to win the nomination.
Gary was a fantastic governor, and was willing to admit he has a lot to learn on foreign policy (which is a far more honest response than many politicians would have made)
Right, I definitely lean more socialist than libertarian, but he has been the most reasonable and honest candidate running (considering Sanders is out).
Do I think all of his ideas are on point? No, but I'm willing to give him a shot based solely on the fact that he doesn't appear to be in anyone's pocket and he carefully articulates his views honestly.
PavelYay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the Washington State Voter's Pamphlet (Which admittedly has been known to get certain things, such as primary dates, not entirely correct):
Jill Stein
Elected Experience: Lexington Town Meeting
Gary Johnson
Elected Experience: Gov. of New Mexico, 1995-2003
Whih are pretty bad records for someone running for president. On the other hand...
Does she say things that go against the idea that women are equal to men or does she say things like "the wage gap is a myth" or "we shouldn't have quotas for employment"? Because the latter sounds perfectly reasonable to me
JustJJ92 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gary didn't know allepo. wow scrutinize him. you think trump knew allepo? hell no! gary is more human than both those candidates and should be the next president
That is the question. But the people are too fucking lazy to actually make a change so the shit show will play out fully until one side is in the bottom of the mud.
While anyone can declare their candidacy, in practical terms you're really only a viable candidate if you're the nominee of one of the two big parties. People COULD vote for somebody else, but most people won't because they don't feel third party candidates are "real" candidates. It can also be difficult in some states that have high requirements to be on the ticket and don't allow write-in candidates.
The party nominees are chosen in the primaries, which even fewer people vote in than the election, and usually the most politically active. The American political spectrum is polarizing, and this is most apparent in the most politically active portions of the population. This, accompanied by a growing distrust of "Washington insiders" lent Trump a lot of popular support with registered Republicans, despite being very unpopular with some party leaders. This same polarization was the main thing that Sanders had going for him, but his main body of support is mostly very young and non-politically active. A lot of the talk during the Democratic primary was that Clinton was "owed" the nomination, after being passed over in 2008. While she's more of a centrist than Trump, and so her policies have broader appeal, many people distrust her because of some things that happened during her time as Secratary of State.
It's also typical for more serious candidates to delay running if their party is the outgoing party, since after a president reaches his two-term limit, the opposite party nearly always wins. It's seen as a "waste" to run under the same party that's going out. Basically, the Democrats probably weren't putting up their absolute best candidates, but the Republican put up such a terrible candidate that their 'pity nomination' looks like the better option to many Americans.
Basically, it's a big mess that's demonstrating exactly what many people have been saying is wrong with the two-party system for some time now.
Good question. It exemplifies our belief in false realities; we are the consumerist society and marketing is mostly bullshit so many people are "trained" through the culture to prefer non-reality and can't see truths that are not spun to confirm their biases
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because welcome to the shitty US election cycle where we put up 2 equally shitty candidates backed by the only two parties in the US that will ever see enough votes to secure the presidency and people are too dumb to vote third party over voting in the lesser of two evils.
Most Americans are struggling with that question as well
Bench92 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 16:13:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work for an aftercare at an elementary school in South Florida. All of the children repeat whatever they hear their parents say. None of them have actual opinions because none of them really care. My community has a very large Hispanic population, so most of them dislike trump, but a lot of children who are Cuban defend trump. Some kids will say "trump hates hispanics and sucks". Then the other kids will say "no he doesn't, he's going to fix everything". They're children and don't understand. They just repeat whatever they hear their parents say.
banjaxe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:48:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're children and don't understand.
To be fair I'm almost 40 and I still don't understand. About supporting trump in general, I mean.
I am an elementary teacher and my third graders HATE trump. Anytime anything election driven gets brought up, they remind me not to vote for him because he wants to build a wall and hates mexicans. Most of my students are mexican-american.
Yep. Being Mexican, I have not seen a single person in my family having at least a somewhat liking to Trump. Even my youngest cousins and nephews despise the man
I had a older coworker (40-50) told me she was frightened what would happen because all the youngsters wanted Trump in the office.
I just turned and said "You mean Bernie right?". She just said "No, they jumped from one to the other" and went on her way. I was so damn confused.
jheono ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:02:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's not completely wrong. A lot of my former Bernie-supporting friends hate Hilary just as much, if not more, than Trump - especially because of the scandal regarding the DNC leak.
Unfortunately, lots of them did jump to another sinking ship.
pcyr9999 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:22:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly baffled that people have made that jump. My roommate from freshman year who started supporting Bernie Sanders almost two years ago, but immediately jumped to Johnson after Bernie lost because he wants to "nuke those savages in the Middle East." Didn't seem aware that Johnson is not going to nuke people. It's funny since I used to think he was really well informed because he would always talk about how such and such news source was biased and claim he read completely objective news.
rhinguin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:41:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Trump lost just yet. Just look at his rallies.
SeeShark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rallies don't mean you have more supporters. It means the ones you have are more enthusiastic. Unfortunately, they still only get one vote each.
The most likely scenario right now is Clinton winning on a wave of tepid unenthusiasm and anti-Trump sentiments.
That's called a protest vote. There's a lot of that Bern/Trump/Johnson or Bern/Stein/Johnson going around. Same reason some waffle between Green and Libertarian and Socialist parties every election.
Many Bernie supporters had the "The pub didn't have my favorite cocktail so I'm going home to drink bleach!" mentality. Not most, but quite a few.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really more "the pub didn't have my favorite cocktail and is offering me bleach instead, so I'm going to go drink a different brand of bleach as a form of 'fuck you.'"
You cannot be an ardent Bernie supporter yet vote Trump. Sure, Hillary wasn't your first choice and there's the cloud of scandal around the primary, but Trump is literally the anti-Bernie on basically every single political position possible.
To vote for Trump out of spite is what children do, not rational adults.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really decide for people what their priorities are; if all someone cares about is upsetting the establishment, they can absolutely be an ardent Bernie supporter and vote Trump.
They actually do share certain policy stances. Most notably, they both oppose international free trade, and both advocate for election finance reform (although their proposals in this regard are not the same).
You can't really decide for people what their priorities are; if all someone cares about is upsetting the establishment, they can absolutely be an ardent Bernie supporter and vote Trump.
If your (not you personally) sole reason for voting is "upsetting the establishment" and you ignore the damage a Trump presidency would bring to the U.S. and the world, you're a brat and I have no time for you.
They actually do share certain policy stances. Most notably, they both oppose international free trade, and both advocate for election finance reform (although their proposals in this regard are not the same).
When writing fiction with his mouth, maybe. The man whose charitable foundation was ordered to cease fund raising because it was breaking the law has no leg to stand on here. Not only does he exploit campaign finance law as much as possible, he's even going further and breaking the law.
I know a bunch of people who went from Bernie to trump. These kind of people are the ones that do anything everyone else does, so I think that explains it.
That's entirely untrue. If you're voting just on weed, you want Trump. Hillary wants mandatory yearly drug testing as part of your regular checkup. Trump has publicly committed to legalization of medical, and to making recreation a choice by the states.
mikalot3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:23:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary wants mandatory yearly drug testing as part of your regular checkup.
They rejected that idea before it was ever made public. Every organization has bad ideas that never make it out the door, whether it's in politics, business, or art.
The democratic party is far more likely to push for marijuana legalization within the next 4 years. According to Gallup polls in 2013, 58% of Americans think marijuana should be legal. That's 35% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats, and 62% of Independents. Democrats should be pushing for marijuana legalization very soon based on these opinion polls, and mainstream Republicans will likely be resisting that change for the foreseeable future, since it's unpopular with their base.
Because of that, I think the Clinton/Kaine ticket is going to do more for the marijuana movement than a Trump/Pence ticket, but again, it's really the congressmen (including state congress) that are going to make a difference.
Regardless, the candidates that are supporting legalization have no chance of winning (Johnson, Stein, etc) so your presidential vote is not going to matter on marijuana very much. What you need to do is back state and federal legislators that are of progressive mind, or better yet, directly mention marijuana legalization on their website. Do your research before election day, because this issue doesn't always follow party lines.
tl;dr - The real fight for legalization is being fought at the state level, but I expect the DNC to go pro-pot in the next presidential term, which could certainly convince Clinton. That gives her the tiniest advantage over Trump, but it's not big enough that this should be a deciding issue for anyone.
They rejected that idea before it was ever made public. Every organization has bad ideas that never make it out the door, whether it's in politics, business, or art.
Actually, if you read the emails, they agree to wait until after the election, because of the risk of blowback.
The real fight for legalization is being fought at the state level, but I expect the DNC to go pro-pot in the next presidential term, which could certainly convince Clinton.
I think the only way the DNC goes pro-pot is if Clinton looses. If she wins and is running the convention next round, the DNC isn't going to change policy. The absolute best you can hope for from Clinton (legal medical and state by state for rec) is what Trump has already committed to, and the fact that she hasn't committed in the same way makes me highly suspect we're not looking at a best case scenario.
The purpose of the screening is not to report them to any authorities but to be able to prevent substance abuse and provide counseling if needed. And unlike what others have suggested after reading only an editorialized version of the Podesta Emails from some alt right or pro-weed sites, Clinton's camp was not talking specifically about weed, but substance abuse in general, as is obvious if your read the emails in question (weed wasn't even mentioned).
So, yes, under the proposed policy, minors would be tested for alcohol.
That X should be left up to states, and not federally decided
That's most definitely a stance
SeeShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
80% of the time when a politician supports "states' rights" it's because
His personal stance isn't popular but advocating for states' rights is popular, or
He knows if states got to decide the issue would go the way he wants.
Remember, states' rights doesn't belong to either party - they've swapped stances whenever it made broader sense. For example, the Republicans were for states' rights when that meant ignoring federal slave-return bills, then against states' rights when it came to federal drug regulation, than for states' rights again when the Supreme Court started overturning things like abortion and gay marriage bans.
So while advocating for states' rights is a declaration of position, it is very rarely a position in and of itself.
TL;DR: if a politician is advocating for states' rights, check what the states are advocating for. That's probably his stance.
I understand what you're saying, but wanting the states to decide things is in and of itself a stance. Not everyone wants everything decided federally
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In theory, you are correct. I'm positing that there are very, VERY few politicians who actually hold this stance, and usually when a politician advocates for it he or she is actually advocating one side of the underlying issue.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you don't mind if I say your cousins aren't voting very intelligently. Single-issue voting based on weed is ridiculous.
Fudgaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:02 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on the opposite side. I work with a lot of naturalized 1st gen Mexican American immigrants (and other immigrants). They all support Trump (at least in regards to immigration policy etc). The reason being is that all of them went through the difficult, expensive, and legal hurdles of gaining work visas, immigration paperwork and sponsors to come to the US and eventually gain citizenry. They hate the idea that someone could sneak in, avoid all the proper processes, and then claim citizenry, while all those trying to do it legally are denied entry.
Hearing them speak about that really changed my perspective on that.
Hey, I'm married to an American citizen, and it's been thousands of dollars in government fees and legal fees and years of waiting and I still don't have a green card. Why would I support someone that wants to make this process more difficult and expensive? I totally sympathize with everyone that doesn't have the money and privilege to do this the long way.
I'm a Mexican as well. My grandparents immigrated legally in the 50's and they are huge Trump supporters. Most of my family is voting for him but they aren't head over heals like my grandparents are for him. The biggest thing they talk about is how they went through the process of immigrating legally and then did everything they could to assimilate. They are not happy with people illegally immigrating because they feel like they don't truly love and respect America or its culture so they don't assimilate.
I have personally decided to vote Trump mainly because of the recent Wikileaks showing us that Hillary is either as corrupt or more corrupt than we thought.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:48:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have many immigrant friends who will be voting for him for the same reason. They (or their parents) immigrated legally because they wanted to be Americans. Add that into the fact that there are whole elementary schools/neighborhoods made up of entirely one immigrant population and those kids, though born and raised here, aren't being raised as American kids and you see why so many people are voting on this one issue, even if they're immigrants themselves.
SeeShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just to put a dissenting voice out there, I'm a naturalized citizen (immigrated when I was 12) and I am most definitely voting against Trump. The American immigration process is absurd - it took us over 10 years to do it, and that was with the best lawyers Microsoft could afford. Any changes to it are okay in my book.
And I do not have any malice for illegal immigrants who want to "skip the process." Many of them have been living in the US longer than me. Just because they speak Spanish and eat more salsa than ketchup doesn't mean they're less American than I am - defining what an American looks like isn't up to me. Anybody who's already here and contributing should be able to do it legally.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is also good to note.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. If you don't respect our laws and start off by breaking them, you don't deserve automatic citizenship and the rights afforded to citizens. That defies logic and our cultural norms. If you don't agree with our cultural norms, you do not deserve to be welcomed with open arms into it since there's a smaller chance you'll assimilate into what is most likely a much more civil, and law-abiding culture than the one you left.
you don't deserve automatic citizenship and the rights afforded to citizens
literally nobody is suggesting that.
SeeShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are thousands and thousands of people that don't respect our laws and start off by breaking them. There are people whose entire fortunes are built on their parents cheating the tax system. There are people who use illegal drugs every day. There are people who grew up in poverty and resort to crime to make ends meet.
I'm not necessarily advocating for or against any of those people, but it seems that accusing illegal immigrants of being inherent criminals is a bit selective when so many people flagrantly violate the law and/or its spirit on a regular basis.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:34:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's either illegal or it isn't. The first world isn't without crime and cheating, but it pales in comparison to the way most of the world works (think traffic laws, queuing, bribing officials, etc.).
I work with immigrants so I see how hard it is for them to grasp that there's a lot of rules and manners are crazily important. Even though things get pretty tense during election years, the culture is a far more civil and law abiding than average. You can't just throw a deck on your house without following code, pay a cop to get out of a ticket, or show up to a job interview 30 minutes after the agreed time and it's a tough transition to make when you immigrate, but it's part of the deal. Assimilate or don't come here because the pockets of little 3rd world countries near me really suck (especially seeing the way the girls are raised to believe their lesser and gay kids are treated horribly). They are unAmerican and, in many cases, anti-American and it's absurd that these areas exist given how many do not have permission to be here.
You can't just throw a deck on your house without following code, pay a cop to get out of a ticket, or show up to a job interview 30 minutes after the agreed time
yes. you can. you can absolutely do every single one of those things in America...so long as you're rich.
The biggest thing they talk about is how they went through the process of immigrating legally and then did everything they could to assimilate.
I am sorry, but you and your family have not thought this through. I don't know if you like to travel, for example, but let us assume that you do: Do you really think if you and your family decide to go to Paris for the winter or Cancun for the summer, that immigration officers at the airport enacting Trump's policies won't harass you, send you to the back room for a few hours while they "inspect your papers", or flat-out deny you entry because they have now been given permission to act out racist policies based on your heritage, your name, the color of your skin and not on your actual immigration status or citizenship?
Because that is what is going to happen. The way Sikhs get denied visas now (and will even more in the future) because people think that being Sikh = being Muslim and being Muslim = being a terrorist. A Trump presidency, even if it defines it's exclusion in a limited way ("we are only going after illegal Mexicans, not all hispanics" or "we are only going after Muslims, not people who look middle eastern) that doesn't mean that you won't get unfairly targeted for being in a group of people that is remotely similar in appearance/garb/language/name as the targeted group.
And if you live in a state like Arizona, what do you think the odds are that the state won't find it somehow constitutional to demand that you carry your passport with you at all times to prove your citizenship? And that you don't get arrested by some racist piece of shit cop during a routine traffic stop because "you looked too Mexican" or "your passport looked fake"? Can you imagine getting fired from your job after being late because the papers police "randomly" stopped you on your way to work and you forgot to carry your passport with you so they took you down to the precinct where you had to spend most of the morning sorting it out? Because those are the kinds of civil rights abuses people if Hispanic origin can look forward to if Trump's racist views get enacted. Trickle-down hatred.
You can also look forward to being discriminated against while seeking employment based on your heritage. Perhaps the police departments in Indiana decide you can't be trusted to do your job because you might be "biased" in favor of illegals. Or maybe that software company in Austin doesn't hire you because your job involves travel and as a startup they can't afford to hire the lawyers to assist every time you get detained at the border wall.
TL;DR: I can understand being a Republican. I can understand hating Hillary Clinton. But an American of Mexican or Islamic heritage thinking that the targeting of foreign-born nationals is not going to affect them is a downright stupid reason to vote for Trump.
Don't worry, this guy isn't actually Mexican.
He's white through and through, but pretends he's a different race every time he wants to uphold some form of racism.
See my early reply to his comment with links.
i should have known. no mexican, i don't care what generation, is malinche enough to be that fucking stupid. thanks for the heads up. upvoted your earlier post for visibility, although i think unfortunately the "true america-loving immigrants vs scumbag illegals" circlejerk is well underway....
This is a big part of why my dad is voting Trump. He immigrated from Poland on the early 80's, and he had to wait 11 months for his visa to be approved. He went through huge trouble to come to the US, so he really doesn't like it when people bypass all that and enter illegally.
Yeah, he came here speaking no English and worked his ass off to learn the language. He also loves talking to people, any people, so he picked up the culture that way. He firmly believes the US is the greatest country in the world. Coming from a communist regime, the American dream where a man can do anything if he works hard for it means a lot to him.
rhinguin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are countries whose average population have a better quality of life than the average american.
Their social system is based entirely on promoting the Welfare of the people, in the USA the concept of "Welfare" has a stigma because of the awful benefits system.
If you think that our country is undisputed best country in the world, I'm sorry but you're quite matching the stereotype of the blind american.
Yes we have a country that has achieved a ton, that has it better than the majority of the planet, but in some aspects, other countries make us seem like we are "third world".
I don't want to leave this country to go to those countries, I want this country to become the best again. Doesn't seem like thats going to happen anytime soon.
I won't dispute that America is definitely going through some hardship, or that a couple countries may have a better quality of life, but in terms of the economy, culture, technology, and innovation we're pretty much leading the way. Whoever has the best government programs isn't necessarily the best country. Those programs by and large are unsustainable for very long. I would say our political process is also superior, but at the moment, things are a little fucked.
danhern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so basically you want to make america great again?
All of the Trump supporters are going to tell you it's all 100% proof she's corrupt and all of the Hillary supporters are going to tell you there's not much there. I would highly encourage you to take a look at the leaks yourself and judge accordingly - don't let people with an agenda relay the information to you.
She says some pretty bad stuff I'm there which would be damming if Trump wasn't running.
For example, she said it's "important to have a public opinion and a private opinion." That's literally the corollary definition of a liar.
Another thing she said is "wall street should self regulate itself".
These are two of several quotes which shows she is not trustworthy and that she is a flip flopper.
I'm not a Trump or Hillary supporter, both are trash candidates.
Raxal ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:21:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 'Public opinion vs. Private opinion' was in the context of her talking about the Lincoln movie that Steven Spielberg made and how she liked it because it showed that side of politics. It also doesn't help that is literally what every public figure has.
That quote didn't mean she was a liar, lmao. That's literally what every exec does. You speak to your audience. I think it's kind of naive to assume every one of our politicians says the same to every crowd.
isotaco ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:24:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was an uncomfortable thing to have come out, but motherfucking DUH. You don't talk about family matters with your spouse the same way you would with your kids, and you don't convey your ideas to the American public the same way you'd craft legistlation with a bunch of lawyers and policy wonks. It's a mountain out of a mole hill. And I'm a "hold my nose" Hillary voter - this bothers me far less than the way she ran her 2008 campaign against Obama.. which still sticks with me as a very sore spot.
I'm not necessarily concerned about her relationships with big banks, mainly because we already know that money is in politics, especially congress. At this point, we are so entrenched in capitalism that the president's relationship with big corporations is irrelevant. Electing Trump because he "doesn't care" won't improve that.
The golden rule to campaigning and giving a speech, or selling a product, is to know your audience and that email was literally stating such.
I was a "hold my nose" voter as well, but at this point the allegations against her are kind of silly.
FWIW, I would prefer another candidate. I am just saying that it's a bit nit-picky at this point in the campaign. It's already clear that she is the better option. Congress is just as powerful when it comes to policy and will influence any of her decisions.
No, it's more like when your boss tells you to do something you think is a bad idea, but at the same time you have to do it and you don't go around badmouthing it. A perfect example is Tim Kaine on abortion. He doesn't like it, but he believes it is permissible by U.S. law.
Pullo_T ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:59:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you just described is a liar!
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it means she's a liar. She shares her private positions with wealthy donors but not the public? Why? Maybe because they are more important to her?
It's clear she's lying and covering up the fact that she simply panders to a position in public while holding her own opinions that she will act on but not share.
How is that not obvious with her bullshit this cycle about always having been a progressive? Her leaks show she's a corrupt, neoliberal corporate stooge through and through.
promonk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:56:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I rather agree that they're both pretty bad choices, but those quotes really don't reflect negatively on Clinton's character unless you're already predisposed to distrust her.
"...important to have a public opinion and a private opinion..." could be read as meaning that the are some opinions that should be kept to one's self, especially when one is a public personage. These public and private opinions don't have to be incongruent with each other. That is to say that one can hold private opinions about, say, an elected official that should not be voiced in a public setting; if Clinton personally detested Obama, she was quite right to keep that opinion to herself and serve her appointed function as Secretary of State honestly and dutifully. The question should be whether she did that, not what her secret heart of hearts believes. It's the utmost naivete to think that one's personal opinions should always be voiced at all times.
"Wall Street should self regulate itself" is a statement that anyone should agree with after a moment's thought. Wall Street damn well should regulate itself, but since it doesn't, government should regulate them in the public's interest. Ideally there should be no regulation on anyone, but this isn't an ideal world, and people are all too often assholes.
I'm very willing to believe that in their proper context those quotes you gave might reflect badly on Sec. Clinton, but as you gave no context nor source, your argument is not effective.
But you very well know that's not the type of textbook idealized regulation Clinton was talking about in her speech at Goldman Sachs.
She was literally saying Wall street should set up the regulations for its own industry.
There's a difference between crony regulation and regulation, and that is the key here.
Clinton was not over at Goldman Sachs to give a lecture on Business Strategy 101 and how the idealized company should regulate itself. She was posturing that if she is elected, Wall Street will be able to give a few extra inputs into the regulatory framework.
I don't mind that, she should be forthcoming about it though.
promonk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:15:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point wasn't that her position is misunderstood, my point was that you didn't provide the context necessary to make a strong case. Her position on the subject is the same neo-liberal line that's dominated national politics for the last four decades, which I happen to find abhorrent. You wouldn't know that by what you've quoted, though.
I'm toughest on those with whom I agree. It's a side effect of my rhetorical training.
danhern ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
which would be damning if Trump wasn't running
I think I'll go Hillary in this election, but goddamn if there was any other candidates rather than shitty 3rd party and trump, Hillary would have no chance.
How about you link directly to the leaks with these quotes so everyone can read them in full and understand the context better? I would but I'm on mobile.
I only read the first batch, so i don't have anything for the "self regulate" thing, but for the first one:
CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY
*Clinton: โBut If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.โ
*CLINTON: You just have to sort of figure out how to -- getting back to that word, "balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think -- I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it's like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what's going to work and what's not going to work. [Clinton Speech For National Multi-Housing Council, 4/24/13]
Those are the Clinton team's headlines, not mine - keep in mind the first batch was opposition research with them spitballing how someone could negatively spin certain excerpts from her speeches.
I'm not voting for any POTUS candidate, and there is absolutely nothing incriminating, or even unehtical, in the last wiki leaks regarding Clinton.
People will say what they can do get you to vote for their candidate.
Sneet1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:43:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
As a UI designer, I actually find the Wikileaks leaks quite amusing as they so intentionally obfuscate what's in them so that you can quite quickly just link to them and say "look! damning!" (as a lot of conservative political clickbait sites have done) while in reality it's just interns chatting and Hilary talking about being an establishment politician if you can actually manage to search through a string of individual pdfs and a shittily implemented search system. Nothing damning at all, but also not nice to read. Regardless, it's quite clear that the wikileaks information presentation itself has an agenda and there's a reason she hasn't actually been indicted for anything (because there's nothing there to indict her for). I do find it kind of strange that after years heralded as a vaguely far-left internet presence, Wikileaks has solidly become alt-right with things like the feminist protesters in turkey leaks (potentially ruining the lives of tens of thousands of women under the reign of Ergodan because.... "muh feminzais" or something).
I 100% agree and know, but I would still encourage people to check the leaks out for themselves because if they don't, it'll always be something hanging over their head come election day. Why question whether the leaks show that she's corrupt or not when you can read them directly and judge them for yourself?
I'm a huge Clinton supporter and would never expect someone to take me at my word (and would expect the same in regards to Trump supporters) because I clearly have an agenda. However, if you research for yourself what I and other Clinton supporters are saying versus what Trump supporters are saying and look directly at the primary sources, it's pretty clear which side is accurate and which isn't.
There's waaay too many to read them all though, I saw someone link to one claiming it shows Clinton "knows how bad Muslim immigration is in Europe privately yet still supports bringing refugees to America. I realized at a glance that it was an email sent TO Podesta FROM an email based in the Netherlands and full of conspiracy crank Bullshit. I read part of a speech transcript that was cited as evidence of favoring "self-regulation," what I read seemed more like an appeal to self-interest, which realistically is a lot more productive than sermonizing at someone. I didn't even bother reading the "public vs private" because that describes literally anyone with a functioning frontal lobe.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It is proof she's corrupt. Yes, go take a look at the leaks - there's a lot of information there. And you didn't need those leaks to know it, either, there was plenty of information out there beforehand. Are they proof of corruption? Yes. Are they huge bombshells that are going to rock the entire election? No.
The conversation is not whether or not she's corrupt - she is - it's whether or not that's a big enough deal to the people who support her. Much like Trump's supporters who don't care about anything he says or does, most of Clinton's supporters are similarly blind.
And then on top of that, there's also the factor that many people would STILL vote Clinton even if they DO think she's corrupt, simply because they'd still prefer her over Trump. In the end, both of the candidates deserve to be in prison.
It's sad for the US really - Obama did a lot to raise the US' reputation internationally and even if his reputation is in question in the US he's pretty well-liked internationally. Not so with Clinton, and definitely not so with Trump.
I'm genuinely asking, I've read many of the leaks without any input from one side or another and haven't found anything that made me go "damn, that corrupt POS"
Look into the wikileaks yourself, as some places like CNN will nearly refuse to cover them. They are loaded with corruption and scandals that would many government officials in prison
That's not taking donations from foreign countries, you're misreading it. It's mentioning foreign registered agents. According to the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), individuals who lobby for foreign governments in Congress, in state legislatures, or to other governmental bodies have to be registered as such, and they have to disclose what their relationship to a foreign government is in a quarterly report.
Really, it's more like, Lobbyist A lobbies for, say, Armenia's interests in Congress. According to this email, this is a policy decision within the Clinton campaign as to whether they would allow Lobbyist A to also raise donations for the campaign. If he's already an Armenian lobbyist, perhaps he's got connections to the Armenian-American community and can raise funds effectively there.
It's not illegal, but it can very easily be misinterpreted as such, which is why that email was being written in the first place. It's less of a "Let's take money from foreign governments!" And more of a "Let's hire people who have worked with foreign governments!" It's not that unusual when you really think about it; Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was also considered a foreign registered agent at one point, I think.
That would certainly be the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is that they are taking donations from foriegn countries. It could be either or. The fact that hillary's foundation takes charitable donation from suadia arabia and russia would indicate she has no problem taking bribes from foreign countries. Do people here really think hillary isn't corrupt?
ok, but i haven't seen any that show that. The one's i've seen have been consistent with Hilary's public pov. The 'soundbites' from the 'wall street' speeches aren't as simplistic as the ones in her general speeches but she's not being a two face about it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no because I believe what everyone else tells me, i have never actually seen a wikileak let alone read the whole thing.
That's not about taking money from foreign countries, it's about letting people who worked for foreign countries raise money in the U.S., from Americans, and donate it to the campaign.
Media collusion (illegal), accepting foreign donations (illegal and edit also treason), rigging primaries against bernie (illegal), making really sexist ads and and making it look like trump sent them out, there are a bunch more, try reading some
So half the shit you wrote is pure bullshit. Accepting foreign donations for a presidential campaign is very illegal. Giving high positions of power for donations to the clinton foundations is highly illegal. The dnc writing and recieving emails to cnn and msnbc on what narrative to push is evidence of pure corruption. That garbage you wrote about brietbart, that is evidence of bias, not collusion, you ctr shill. Ill come back later to call out your bs as i dont have time atm, and am not being paid to do so
It most definitely wasn't one intern as the email record in going over approved verbiage. As to whether it was a small group of rogue actors or if it was approved from further above, and if anyone was punished over it, I'm unaware. Any additional details you have, I'd appreciate.
also: hardly a smear if they're only allowed to use the candidate's own words; correct me if i'm wrong here, but there's no evidence that the ad was ever posted was it? for all we know someone told them in person to cut that shit out and the whole thing was put to rest.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then again, Trump has said and done some pretty messed up things. Even regarding his policies and the media pretty much move on very quickly to the next one. It's almost surprising at this point that the sexual assault thing stuck because so many others didn't. The media does have different standards for both candidates; they are conditioned to think Trump not blurting something offensive is an indicator that he has won whatever debate is going on.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You REALLY haven't been paying any attention at all then.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really wasn't much there? where did you hear that one from? They're loaded with terrible things.
nwatn ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:04:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such as? Everything I've read is pretty standard of a politician honestly
bsievers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the email is talking about is legal. It's basically American PACs who represent foreign countries. Not foreign individuals. It can kinda look bad, but it's one of those "everyone does it so they're all equally bad" type things.
Taking money from foreign individuals would be illegal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:24:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't throwing money at her. They are giving her money in return for favors. If she becomes president we will have a president that owes foreign countries favors.
I understand that, can you name these terrible things though?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, of course I can.
(1) Clinton, to the general public, and certainly to most of her supporters, is very much for regulating Wall St. and even going as far to jail these bankers. However, WikiLeaks shows that she was recently paid $675,000 by Goldman to give speeches. In those speeches, she talks a lot about free trade and how regulations could hamper what happens on Wall Street and that there is no reason to "maim what isn't broken." Furthermore, at these speeches she expressed her approval of fracking, something that she is publicly against, pretty much. In a debate in March she said "So by the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place. And I think thatโs the best approach, because right now, there are places where fracking is going on that are not sufficiently regulated." However, in her speech to big $$$$ donors she says "Or with the new technology known as fracking, we are truly on a path -- and it's not just United States; it's all of North America -- that will be net energy exporters assuming we do it right.โ
Senator Sanders asked her to release the transcripts of these speeches during the primaries, which she of course declined to do. She is not flat out lying, but there is certainly deception on one end or the other.
(2) Clinton to the public seems to be very big on protecting women's rights. โI want to send a message to every survivor of sexual assault: Donโt let anyone silence your voice. You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be believed, and weโre with you.โ Yeah, except Wikileaks reveals that her campaign was working to collect data and evidence to discredit a Bill Clinton accuser. Ouch.
(3) She was given questions ahead of time while running against Senator Sanders.
Those are the only substantiated claims I have personally seen so far, but I am sure that there are more.
Like you said, not exactly anything that is not "atypical to politics" but I like to hold my politicians to higher standards.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did to the comment you replied under lol..... relax. You seem to have anger issues.
Immigrants have experienced the struggles, and know it's not fair to go through legal channels while others can enter willy nilly. Good on them.
nopalix ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cannot discount the fact that some immigrants have it much easier than others. Those in the position of power or wealth can more easily immigrate than someone living in poverty.
Even the process of assimilation is tied to resources. It boggles my mind when people think immigrants don't want to learn English.
Well, I think the underlying argument is people would rather have wealthier immigrants coming into the country rather than poorer ones. The legal immigration process exists not just to minimize the strain on the US from immigration, but the process exists in a way ensure that immigration helps the US.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:36:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point. We want skilled immigrants that contribute to the country. It's not supposed to be a charity.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless,
Tempest-tossed to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
I agree with your first paragraph and frankly think it's a little hypocritical that op's grandparents would be Trump supporters, in a way implying that not all immigrants are as worthy as they are to have the opportunity to live here. Because come on...we all know that Trump really is racist deep down and if he could he'd probably send away all people of color, regardless of whether they came here legally or illegally.
That being said..I know for a fact that a lot of people don't have any interest in learning English. Out of my whole family, only my mom, my aunt, and 2 of my uncles have bothered to learn. I'm all for keeping your culture alive (in fact, I plan to exclusively speak Spanish to my future children when they are young and teach them English only once they are fluent in Spanish), but a lot of immigrants have no interest in even attempting to assimilate at least a little bit. The fact that we're in SoCal doesn't help matters much. Everyone speaks Spanish here and you could live your whole life not speaking a single word of English.
The fact that you lie about your race to fit whatever argument you are currently making shows just how racist those policies you preach really are. You wouldn't have to pretend to be black to defend a racist policy if it wasn't racist, or pretend to be mexican to defend an overreaching immigration policy. It's legit sad because deep down you know that you need to pretend to be a race just to give a policy some legitimacy
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Canadian I never understood this, you don't think Trump is going to be corrupt? Hillary was always corrupt, everyone knew this just like every other Washington insider. But we know what type of corruption Hillary is involved with, we can deal with it. Trump on the other hand is clearly corrupt, but crazy enough to do things that Hillary would never do.
Ardarail ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:15:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...I mean, it's kind of true. People act like Trump some kind of savior for the working class American when he's demonstrably a corrupt criminal. Hillary is certainly corrupt but her motives are far more understandable to me than Trump. He's a wildcard that could might just sell out completely or go off the rails. Or both. Just look at his comments on things like torture and nukes. If you step back and actually take his claims seriously, it's fucking terrifying.
I get what you mean, I'm personally not a fan of either. But from what I've seen Hillary is way more dangerous then Trump.
Hillary and co are actively trying to start a war with Russia. They've been trying to make Russia look a lot worse than they really are. By the way, I'm not saying Russia is a saint, but they're not worse then America. There's billions to be made in the war industry.
Trump is actively TRYING TO STOP the war with Russia. He's not trying to make them into cartoon villains, a Trump presidency will be A LOT more peaceful then a Hillary one.
And about calling a Trump a wild card. We both haven't seen how he would behave when president, though his personality doesn't seem very presidential indeed.
Trump is actively TRYING TO STOP the war with Russia
by allowing himself and potentially the country to become Putin's pawns? how is that any better than a war?
Ardarail ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:45:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely I agree Trump's rhetoric on Russia is much better and his rhetoric on foreign policy as a whole is usually much better (at least when he's not advocating torturing and killing civilians). There's no doubt Hillary's a warmonger. However I would counter that argument with Trump's VP. We can deduce from what he's said in the past that Mike Pence would likely have a massive amount of influence over foreign policy. And Pence's comments regarding Syria and Russia have practically mirrored Hillary's. So essentially you're getting shitty, warmongering foreign policy either way.
if you don't listen to various reddit hiveminds its pretty clear that Clinton is way more experienced and basically a continuation of Obama with a bit of Sanders thrown in.
But most of reddit is way too big into Trump/Anti-Trump for that to actually happen.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:20:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is Trump giving more tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations not selling out? You're delusional if you think either candidate isn't 100% sellout. You're even more delusional if you think camp Trump isn't dangerously cult like.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is not bought and paid for by the wealthy corporations and individuals. Hillary has already sold out, Trump has not, nor has to sell out, since he has a fortune already. So no, he is not a 100% sellout.
Getting a few million dollars from your dad is a handout. And Hillary made her money her way. I may not agree with the job, but she got paid for writing books and giving speeches. In fact, I'm willing to bet the Clinton's are more self made than Trump.
If he has a fortune already and doesn't have to do desperate, corrupt things for more money than why was he perpetrating wholesale fraud with Trump University as little as 5 years ago. Also, hawking steak and bottled water like a cheap informercial salesman? That's not the behaviour of a billionaire.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why was he perpetrating wholesale fraud with Trump University as little as 5 years ago.
Unsubstantiated.
Also, hawking steak and bottled water like a cheap informercial salesman? That's not the behaviour of a billionaire.
Lending his name to products to earn extra money? Unheard of..
No, it's not unheard of for actors who have blown their whole fortune on coke and hookers and cars and need to pay off their debts. It is 100% unheard for real billionaires who actually have liquidity.
And yeah, it's unsubstantiated because his fraud case is still in the courts, but the evidence is there.
We have no idea about many details about Trump because he doesn't release his taxes. His plans are hyperbole, no details again.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:37:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's absolutely nothing that could be worse in Trump's taxes than what we already know about Hillary. The terrorism funders are not going to be funding Trump..
Trump is literally rich because he was bought out by bankers.
Ardarail ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We know Trump is a sellout as well... The list is endless; using charity funds for personal purchases, giving unreasonably high amounts of campaign donation to his own businesses, accepting money from special interests, etc. etc. For gods sake he condemned Jeb Bush viciously for taking money from Woody Johnson, citing it (and rightly so) as an example of corruption, then turned around and employed him. Oh but he didn't want to. Of course it was all the RNC pushing it on him...
Look I'll grant you his rhetoric is often much better than Clinton (when he's not spouting batshit insane things about breaking international laws). But his actions? The only thing we don't know is if he will only sellout moderately or to the extreme degree the Clintons have.
Don't forget that he bribed an Attorney General to drop the case against his University.
Sent1203 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing; we already know what Clinton is. On the surface, trump is nothing good, but it's terrifying to think what idiot things he's going to do if president.
Because he doesn't have a clean slate to begin with. He abused charity rules, he bribed an Attorney General to drop a case against Trump University, he endorsed Trump University, he openly advocates sexually harassing women, and he can't keep a political thought straight for more than 5 words without immediately reverting to "Hillary Crook! Blame ISIS!"
The Clintons are corrupt and took bribes, and have been in bed with Arab oil for years, and are kind of shitty two faced people. Yea, that's not news. To me they are part of the the same system as everyone else in politics. They do enough good to stay in power, so they continue to be low key selfish. Trump is 100% selfish, and doesn't care about doing good, even to keep up appearances.
Those little Trump girls who sang at his rally? He didn't pay them. All those lawsuits he won't settle because "when you settle people sue you more?" He's settled. He's a liar with no grip on reality and the instability is dangerous. Clinton is the status quo to a very shitty system, but until a lot of political changes start being made we're better off with the devil we know, than the devil we don't.
Plus Trump and Hillary are friends from way back. We only think we have a choice in the election. Right now I'm voting Hillary not because I want her to win. I hate her, she's horrible. But I'm voting for her because I actively want to see Trump. I hate him more, and I like watching him complain, and I really want to see the his public fallout.
As for the question asked in the thread. I teach fourth grade, and avoid politics in class like the plague. My class is 100% immigrant American. With most them being the children of immigrants, some are recent arrivals themselves, and every single one has immigrant family. Like immediate family. Grandparents, aunts, uncles. Yet I still have a lot Trump supporters. The funny is the kids from countries not Mexico, who hate Mexicans, and think Trump only wants to kick the Mexicans out. They're all for that. Little Guatamalen, Salvadorean racists. One boy, he's the son of immigrants. His dad is in jail for robbery, and his brother is in jail for drug dealing, and mom doesn't work, and lives off welfare. Trump supporter. I just want to grab him and shake him and tell him, you're the people Trump hates.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly how I feel! Thank you so much for the awesome response.
Regarding the little racist Guatemalan and Salvadorian kids, its crazy because you know they learned it from their parents, and their parents believing they somehow are exempt from Trump's racism is astounding enough. But the real issue is that Trump might not even be a racist, I honestly think he is just a master panderer and is saying what a huge amount of the American populations wants to hear. Have you seen these people foaming at the mouth screaming at his rallies? It's neofascism, there's no question. A large percentage of the American population is racist and if we let these people's opinions matter, and the Republican party as a whole starts catering to them then God help anyone who isn't white and Christian in the US.
The Republican party is dead. Conservative radicals killed it, and put on its clothes, and are masquerading around trying to pull a "Talented Mr Ripley". The Democrats are crazy too, but you can see it's been a gradual change in opinion. Considering I'm a Hispanic atheist I'm actually really conservative on a lot of issues. I was pro Bush both elections, but I was also pro Obama both times too. I've become pretty disillusioned with American politics and have become cynical. I feel that my life will have little impact from this election, but I fear my daughter's future. I'm also a veteran, and imagining Trump as commander of the armed forces makes me sick to my stomach. I liked a lot of the things Clinton did in the 90s but I'm not a fan of his military and security actions. I expect similar public policies from Hillary, but a slightly different military strategy from her. Whether that's good or bad is unknown. With Trump, I can't imagine any good scenarios. He's a thin skinned, coward, with a short fuse, and no geopolitical or historical understanding, plus no real foreign experience.
Here's what I don't get. In 2012 a moderate Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, beat out a bunch of crazy right wing idiots, and then nearly beat a very popular sitting president. Do you know how many times a sitting president has lost reelection? It's not a whole lot, and hell Bush Sr. lost to Clinton. Bill was very popular so it's understandable, but Romney was no Bill. But instead of going with a moderate Republican who could appease the base and do well in the general, the party instead chose to double down on crazy with even more right wing idiot candidates, and a nominee who's a mess. And none of them stood a chance in the general except maybe Rubio, and more likely Bush. Except JEB! didn't have his father's wisdom and character, or his brothers charisma and likeability. And Rubio is secretly a 12 year old child. 12 year olds cant run for president. The fact that Cruz is even is state senator is because he was unknown who lied his little ass off. I'm from Texas and everyone I know who voted for him regrets it. But it's not going to be easy to replace him because he's racist and bigoted, and most Texans are too, and they don't think with logic and reason, they think with footballs and Bibles.
Personally, I don't have thoughts on his political run for president, but mainly because he hasn't announced a run so I haven't gone in depth to his background like I would for those who actually ran. But as a politician in general I think he's childish and indecisive. He was considered the great hope for the party, particularly in terms of finance and economic policy. But his bills, voting history, and speeches don't add up. I can't go into too much detail since I'm going from memory and as I said I haven't followed him too much. But he's on the list of people to look at more closely jut because he's coming off as someone gearing up for a big political jump in the near future. He's smart, but he's dumb enough to think he has a chance for president and won't stay speaker for long. But I'll say this, he's low on my priorities, but he's popular and competent enough that I didn't dismiss him completely like I did with someone like Caine, Fiorina, Chaffee, or Carson. But I also that O'Malley would have done better. Not good, just better than he did. It's been difficult to go through all the nominees and potential nominees lately. Unlike the last few years and elections when I had the time to go through so much data and records. Also, like I said in an earlier post I've gotten real cynical and jaded which skews my bias.
Thanks for your reply. I was just curious. While I think most people can agree that the GOP is in freefall, there are so many different perspectives on how that will play out in the future -- and so many POV on the part Ryan will play in that.
Don't get me wrong. I like Ryan overall, and he probably should play a much bigger role. But the party doesn't speak for me, and I'm not their demographic. For Ryan, he's a likable guy, a right leaning moderate, who is open to communication and bipartisanship. But that's also his biggest problem. You have to woo the base and theyve made it clear they prefer racist and crazy.
Racism and stupidity are not political platforms, they're behavior that should not be tolerated. Partisanship, and compromise are keys to a functional government and the last 8 years are a huge warning sign of what happens when no one talks or compromises. You get half assed attempts at medical reform like ACA, or you get unfair and bad policies that get passed out of spite, like the 9/11 victims bill which Obama vetoes but then was overridden. Then Mitch McConnell says it was a mistake to overturn the President veto. Like, no shit that's a bad bill you idiot. The country is divided and it's showing too much in politics. Trump should not be the voice of the people, conservative or otherwise. Hillary is an acceptable alternative. And again I think she's corrupt so don't think of this as an endorsement. I would like Ryan to run, maybe him winning the caucus would be a good thing. But right now he has no chance of winning the base. Hell Boehner couldn't win the base. He was drummed out of his party for being a liberal, commie, traitor because all he wanted to do was unite the two sides of the aisle in order to have a meaningful discussion on compromises to be made in policy reform. Or as it's been called in the past, his job.
I used to be very conservative, particularly about the economy, spending, and foreign policy, while also very liberal on social issues. I think gays should be allowed to get married, no caveats, just get married, be entitled to benefits. But that's not a popular opinion with my guns and Bibles colleagues and friends in Texas. And I'm in Houston. Imagine Cowfucksville, Texas. They're much worse on liberal ideals.
Believe me, I know. I'm in SA but have plenty of small-town connections as well. Still, even knowing what I know about the perspective of rural Texans, I will admit I've been shocked at Trump's support. I NEVER thought he'd get the nomination and never could've foreseen his continued popularity following so very many gaffs.
It's one thing to be anti-PC, but this is a whole 'nother level.
why the fuck are you getting downvoted for asking a straightforward question on /r/AskReddit??
danhern ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Salvadorean checking in, most of my family are clinton "supporters" (don't like clinton, but hate trump enough to vote for her).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is already a billionaire, he doesn't need any more money. He can't be bought
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:25:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many billionaires are satisfied with their current level of wealth? They always want more, that's Capitalism. More importantly though is that corruption isn't just accomplished through money. It can be done through power, associations, hell even sex and we have seen Trump has a big problem with controlling himself in that regard.
There are billionaires, and then there are billionaires with deep, DEEP political inroads, connections, and relationships. Trump is certainly not one of those types of billionaires but he desperately wants to be. It's the promise of letting him into the "big boys club" that is going to let the elites play him like a fiddle.
He's the unpopular kid who gets invited to hang out with the cool kids, but the cool kids get him to do all their dirty work and humiliate himself without any intention of letting him into the club.
Trump doesn't have the self control or the critical thinking skills to be able to keep his autonomy and "principles" against that kind of pressure. He'll just become a puppet, Hillary already is a puppet but at least she is restricted by how the democratic party wants to present itself to the public.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure the multibillionare with the model wife and buildings in every major american city's skyline cares about what other billionaires think about him. They all hate him, Trump knows this and doesn't care. As for the sex part, all of the allegations are clearly made up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he cares! Have you seen how he freaks out when people criticize him? Someone who is self confident doesn't act that way.
You are listening to way too much right-wing propaganda, and as someone who seems to be keen and dismantling the left's propaganda you think you would be able to rationalize that the right does it too. Think for yourself man, you are being fed disinformation just as much as any Hillary Clinton fanboy.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone accused you of being a sex offender wouldn't that offend you as well? Trump has plenty of friends, he doesn't need the approval of anyone else. He's got everything he needs!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read this in Trump's voice, it's scary how much you have internalized his persona... But to address your point you'r wrong, he first needs the approval of the American people and secondly its evident he needs to approval of the media because he cries whenever he feels he's being picked on by it.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain his sound plans, everything I've read as a student of political science has been clear that his economic and foreign policy plans would spell disaster for America and furthermore the world economy. This isn't just liberals, I'm talking about capitalist, free market economists saying his policies would crash the economy.
Her and Obama are currently trying to start a war with Russia just to get her elected. I don't think Trump could get that level of corrupt if he spent the rest of his life trying
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:18:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really believe that Obama and Hillary Clinton want to go to war with Russia to win the election? The polls and projections for Trump are not looking good despite the enthusiasm over at /r/thedonald.
There are a LOT of things Clinton/Obama/the Democrats could do to ensure victory of Trump. They could do voter fraud if they so wanted, they really could try their very hardest to influence the major media into painting Trump like a bad guy. But they would do ALL of this before going to war with Russia. If you know anything about international politics you know that the economies of the world's leading countries are so intertwined that war between any two major powers could be CATASTROPHE for the world. There is literally no way that Clinton would try to do this for an election she has a 70% chance of winning already.
Dude, don't listen to the Republican/right-wing media, blogs, subreddits, and other news. It's bullshit. So is a lot of the left-wing, Democrat affiliated (MSNBC, CNN) news. It's ALL bullshit.
They are playing you, they are making you afraid so that they can better predict and control how you vote in this election. Don't let them scare you so much.
TL;DR: The entire world including political elites like Clinton, Obama, etc. have too much to lose by allowing war between the US and Russia. It won't happen, they would let Trump win before that.
looking at swing states, that war with the a nuclear armed country is worth it?
Trump is clearly corrupt.. because what, because you say so?
There is no evidence of that what-so-ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has been caught lying consistently throughout his Presedential campaign, there are hundreds of accusations of him not paying his workers, he's been accused of sexual assualt and harassment numerous times, he's a draft dodger, he's been sued for (racial discrimination)[http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/] as a landlord and the list goes on and on and on. He is corrupt, every billionaire is corrupt.
That's the thing, the right could have chosen any billionaire to be the Presedential nominee and challenge the system but they chose the worst possible contender. It's hilarious how you people still support him. Why not Elon Musk? Why not Bill Gates? Too liberal?
VAJAYNUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how your election is between a crooked warmonger and someone proud of sexually assaulting women. Nobody wins!
News flash: It is almost impossible for a person who wants to immigrate to this country, to work hard and build a better life like your grandparents did and my great-great grandparents did, to do so legally. The exceptions are people with a close family member who's a citizen, highly-skilled people sponsored by an employer, and a handful of others.
We need a reform so that hard-working people who want to come here and be productive can do so within the law. We do not need a stupid wall.
We brought in over 1.7 million legal immigrants last year and we currently have over 42.1 million legal living immigrants in the US. Tell me again how it's impossible to get legal citizenship here? Also please show me any other country in the world with more immigration than the US. I'm guessing you are an open borders person. If not, how many immigrants do you think we OWE legal status to? How many is enough for you? 1.7 million a year seems quite generous to me seeing as though most countries don't do 1/1000th of that. Why aren't Asian countries taking in any immigrants? Why are middle eastern countries closing their borders and allowing ZERO immigration? Why is Mexico building a southern wall and rounding up immigrants to deport them at a much higher rate than the US? Why can't Americans legally own property in Mexico?
The double standards especially from Mexico with the way they handle immigration is dumbfounding. How can you defend that?
Pretty bizarre line of argument. "If Egypt does it, it must be a good idea, so we should follow their lead! If Mexico does it, we don't want to fall behind! We should follow their lead!"
I, on the other hand, base my argument on what is good for the US, which is a different kind of logic.
And yes, we do have legal immigrants -- as I indicated, high-skilled, plus family members, plus some refugees who eventually become naturalized, plus some "Visa lottery" winners. But for a blue-collar worker who wants to come --- like my great-great grandfather --- it's almost impossible. These are the hated "illegals." We need to reform our law to create a way for them to be here legally.
Great question. I like the libertarian candidate but based on all of the corruption going on with Hillary and her obvious goal of creating a war with Russia I feel like stopping her is more important. I don't want to live through another Cold War with Russia
She has repeatedly attacked Russia verbally over the past two months especially recently in the debates. Her campaign smears Russia a few hundred times daily. She herself has called for a no fly zone over Syria which means shooting down Russians.
Two days ago the Obama administration announced that they are "probably" planning a cyber attack on Russia to demoralize and embarrass them. This appears to be a move to get the attention away from what is in the Wikileaks which is damning and focus on Russia who they still can't PROVE is behind the attack.
Announcing that we will cyber attack Russia or shoot down their planes could lead to world war 3. It really looks like they are doing this to get her elected
Because they consider it as throwing their vote away, and because they all think that, it'll never happen until Trump is elected and people start to look at their options more seriously. Since that will most probably not happen...
I see this "throwing your vote away" argument a lot. I understand not voting gives other votes more power, but isn't it still better to vote than not at all?
Of course it's better to vote. The problem is that because they feel they're locked to a two party system and rather vote to the opponent of the one they don't want in office rather than voting for the one they do want in office. I personally think every citizen everywhere should read the summarized manifesto of all parties before voting.
Voting just to vote may be better on principle when you think that the GOP and Dem candidates are equally bad and you can't bring yourself to vote for either. If you lean towards one being even a smidge better than the other one, you vote for him/her and not your third-party candidate who has no chance of actually winning.
I can't stand Hillary or Trump, but I am voting for the one whom I see as the lesser of two pretty evil evils. Not voting, or voting for a candidate who can't possibly win, could definitely have a real impact on an election like this year's, especially if a large enough number of fed up people do it.
That's how I've been thinking too. If enough people would actually vote 3rd party it could give them more legitimacy in a national election. Especially after this joke of an election cycle
But enough people won't -- at least not in this election. If the next election, or the one after that, somehow gives us choices that the public finds as bad as these, maybe that movement will take hold. Until then, I don't think enough people will be willing to go 3rd party and risk victory by the GOP/Dem candidate they find the most repugnant.
Riiiiiiight. You just recently decided to vote Trump after the Wikileaks emails. So, your pro-Trump comment history dating back weeks before the email release was just you getting ready for the leak. Quit your bullshit.
Same with my brother and even my dad. They are Trump supporters while my mother is a Hillary supporter. But then again, my brother as misogynistic as Trump and my dad never made his own decisions when it comes to voting. He just voted for whoever my mom voted and when my brother was old enough to vote, my dad voted for whoever my brother voted.
I have read so much about Donald Trump being a trailblazer in putting women in powerful business positions that I'm kind of appalled how he is blanket painted as a misogynist. It's no secret that Donald has never forced a filter over his every word and realistically everyone I know in life has said plenty of non PC things that if dissected, taken out of context or cut into a single statement would not be well accepted if you paint the narrative that you can define them and their whole life as a person for those comments.
I feel like the media and lots of people are completely ignoring or don't know what he has actually DONE for several decades. He put the first woman ever in charge of building a skyscraper, he opened up multiple golf courses to people of all backgrounds when historically they were reserved for white, male protestants. He has multiple female, Jewish, black, etc.. high level employees and has won NAACP awards. The totality of his actions in life have been stripped away and the media has told us we are only allowed to focus on these few words or things that may be completely out of context or even a flat out lie.
What bothers me the most is that in the recent Wikileaks releases we have 100% proof of the Clinton campaign and the democrat party colluding with many people in the mainstream media going as far as to give them debate questions and ability to edit stories before they release them. How much more of this is going on that we don't know about? How deep does it go?
When the media is an arm of a political party in another country we all come together and condemn that action but 1/2 or more of our population seems to not care at all that we just received definitive proof it's happening hear.
It's also shameful that the admins have allowed our largest political subreddit to be taken over by a paid branch of a political party and they do nothing to stop the censorship.
The media sure does love to paint it that way. Any outsider without bias can 100% say the whole thing is collusion between the Hillary campaign and the media. It pretty blatant and obvious
so anyone who has bothered to watch the tape where he said he pressured women and read the various press releases that the women have put out and came to an opinion different to yours is biased?
it doesn't even matter if they're lying tho. Its about what people think and people think he's a creep so he's probably gonna lose
What matters is how it's presented. The media is working overtime to push this narrative while completely ignoring (purposefully) issues surrounding Hillary.
The ban on political contributions and expenditures by foreign nationals was first enacted in 1966 as part of the amendments to the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), an "internal security" statute. The goal of the FARA was to minimize foreign intervention in U.S. elections by establishing a series of limitations on foreign nationals. These included registration requirements for the agents of foreign principals and a general prohibition on political contributions by foreign nationals. In 1974, the prohibition was incorporated into the Federal Election Campaign Act (the FECA), giving the Federal Election Commission (FEC) jurisdiction over its enforcement and interpretation.
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The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. [emphasis mine] Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.
Edit: Imaad Zuberi, one of the donors on that list, is already in hot water for failing to follow the FARA guidelines. Very shady!
Really? To me Clinton will be just more of what we have had for the last 20 years from both parties. That's not what I want by any means, but Trump has pretty much fucked up everything he's done in his life. I can't imagine the damage he'd do.
methshin ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't the last 20 years been shit?
jheono ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:57:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By the facts? No. According to Fox News? Sure...
methshin ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Constant wars, recession, housing collapse, 9/11 and other acts of domestic terrorism, massive immigration, poorly handled natural disasters, banking bailout, automotive industry bailout...
It's been as good as it ever has. I'm not saying the world is great, but the world has always been pretty shitty and it's less shitty now than it ever has been, it's just that there's much more news coverage.
methshin ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Constant wars, recession, housing collapse, 9/11 and other acts of domestic terrorism, massive immigration, poorly handled natural disasters...
Everything on that list except for the immigration happened mainly during the 8 years of Republican control. The Clinton years and the Obama years have been very good, and the next Clinton years would follow the same mold.
And as for "massive immigration," the best evidence is that immigrants are good for our economy. The rational approach is to create a way for the undocumented workers to achieve legal status and ideally a pathway to citizenship.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:08:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So... three of those things are the same. The bank bailout was caused by the recession which was caused by the housing collapse.
methshin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are two figures.
Constant wars, recession, housing collapse, 9/11 and other acts of domestic terrorism, massive immigration, poorly handled natural disasters, banking bailout, automotive industry bailout...
Yeah, shits been great.
angus725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wars
America starts and/or intervenes in a lot of wars yes. But would Donald Trump start less wars? Boot on the ground or bombs from the sky is a small difference. But if Iran merely insulted Trump, wouldn't he simply invade their country too? By having a more reactive candidate, you are running a bigger risk of getting involved in larger wars that could have been prevented with diplomacy.
Recession, Housing collapse, all the bailouts
Capitalism has boom and bust cycles; recessions and depressions are a normal part of it. Donald Trump plans on repealing the Dodd-Frank, which is regulation that protects consumers from the failure of banks. Watch this video here, which gives a fairly to the point purpose of the Dodd-Frank http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dodd-frank-financial-regulatory-reform-bill.asp
Terrorism, immigration
The more people are segregated, the more intolerant they become of each other. You see this in France, where there are Muslim ghettos that spawns terrorists like crazy. In Canada, Syrian refugees are being integrated with western society via education. In general, terrorism isn't a problem of law enforcement, but a problem of society as a whole. The other part of terrorism is the mentally-unstable from any extremist organization, left, right, religious or cult. If mental health was covered under health insurance for the poor (who are the ones who can't afford health insurance), then this problem would be less dramatic. However, that's not the case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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methshin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll find much worse if you go back further. Race riots that make ours seem tame, diseases (think polio) wiping out thousands, world wars that kill off huge parts of populations, a great depression that makes our little recession seem like child's play, the ever present threat of nuclear war - having students go into school basements regularly for nuclear bomb raid drills. People who think that things are so bad today compared to the past clearly never experienced or paid attention to history. It's not perfect, but we're improving. The only thing that has really changed is media exposure and reporting on the negatives, which have increased the perception of problems massively.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, can I introduce you to the 1920's?
methshin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean the thirties.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They haven't been 100% great, i could have done without the war in Iraq that the last Republican administration started, or the erosion of the 4th Amendment, that the last Republican administration started. It would have been great not to have the recession that started in the last Republican administration too, although I think that both parties bear partial blame for that and some was structural. Other than that it's been ok. can you think of a 20 year period that was better and tell us why you think it was?
holy shit can we get a source? trying to get through this election like an adult while people just talk bullshit out their ass is going to give me a stroke.
Hillary Clinton: โYouโve seen the reports. Russiaโs hacked into a lot of things, Chinaโs hacked into a lot of things. Russia even hacked into the Democratic National Committee. Maybe even some state election systems? So we gotta step up our game. Make sure we are well defended and make sure we are able to take the fight to those who go after us. As president I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyber attacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic and military responses.โ
Of course any president would respond similarly to a hack, but the difference here is the inclusion of Russia and China. There is no evidence whatsoever that russia or china were behind any recent hackings. Hillary is basically saying above that if russia were to be falsely blamed for anything else like they already have, there would be an immediate serious military response
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:37 on October 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no evidence whatsoever that russia or china were behind any recent hackings.
Yes, there is. Basically all of our intelligence organizations say so. Stop lying.
First of all, russia openly denies the hack. Their claim has little credibility, but not much less than our own corrupt government. Second, none of the hacking would be in Russia's best interests. Putin does not want nuclear war with the United States, something that hillary keeps pushing for. Third, only 2 government organizations have weighed in this: DNI and DHS. Hillarys claim of "17 different intelligence agencies" during the debate was a blatant lie. She was promptly called out of this by Wikileaks and others.
You also have to realize that hillary's private server was so insecure that it would not have needed a concentrated effort by a foreign nation to hack it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:32 on October 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Second, none of the hacking would be in Russia's best interests.
Yes it is. Trump winning is in Russia's best interests. He wants to severely weaken NATO and lessen support for allies and other nations. That leaves a vacuum for countries like Russia and China to fill and they will. Trump also wants us to take more isolationist trade policies which again benefit China and Russia who will look to expand their trade abroad while ours shrinks.
And Wikileaks is an actively pro-Trump organization at this point so their "calling out" is worthless. They've tainted themselves with partisanship.
Wikileaks does not approve of trump, but they are more anti-corruption than anything. The money laundering and more going on in the DNC and Clinton foundation is mind boggling, and Wikileaks are simply exposing it. Exposing governments used to be journalists' job, but it is now left to Wikileaks.
Because of the Clintons' massive history of scandals that are getting exposed, it seems like they are pro-trump. They are not.
Your claim that Putin would hack the DNC to attempt to influence the election, for a benefit of trade while at the extremely heavy cost of nuclear war, is absurd. War benefits no one other than the Clinton Foundation.
so this guy who can dish it out but loses control when someone dishes back... should get the nuclear codes
that's cool. i've always wanted to wander around a neighborhood in real life that looks like fallout 3
yeartwo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't bother you that there's nothing that damning in the Wikileaks docs, or that Wikileaks has demonstrated it has an editorial position in what it leaks or doesn't?
To be fair, having an editorial position in this leak is not a bad thing. The one thing I'd want to see, no matter who I support, is the BAD stuff, why would I want to read through not-bad sounding emails?
yeartwo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except their editorial stance means they're really just supporting some parties who want to keep information from you. And the slow drip of information as opposed to dropping it all at once means you can't be sure you've heard everything relevant.
With the DNC leaks, Wikileaks included the personal information of tons of donors, and with leaks relevant to the Turkish coup they included addresses of members of a specific party. They aren't fighting back against a powerful regime, they're hurting citizens and individuals.
They've also tweeted out about Jews controlling the media and Assange himself has suggested there's a "Jewish conspiracy" against him.
Wikileaks would love to pretend they are neutral, and that they are speaking truth to power. Neither is accurate, and they are (unfortunately) not an organization that can be trusted.
edit: when I say they're choosing what to leak and what not to leak, I don't meant they're not leaking not bad emails, I mean they may have information on people they support, which they would schedule or sanitize or suppress.
Right that makes sense. If Wikileaks supports party A, negative info on party A may never see the light of day.
spru6 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't his "deportation squad going door to door" and "we'll go around the courts" talk worry you? I mean the dude's literally saying he'll just deport anyone he thinks is an illegal without giving them a fair trial.
Not true at all. He wants to deport illegal immigrants which is what the law says you are supposed to do. What you would prefer is that we don't follow the law and arrest people. Do you feel like child rapists shouldn't face legal consequences for breaking the law to?
spru6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down. He wants to deport illegals, yes. And Duterte in the phillipines wants to punish drug dealers. Trump is saying he will deport people he THINKS are illegals without letting the courts decide whether or not they actually are. Mistakes can and would be made if his deportation squad existed and they would target mexican people.
You don't see anything wrong with completing bypassing the courts and just kicking Mexicans out of the country because some government thug decides they're illegal?
spru6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....that's literally what he said. Or are you saying that it's not true that mistakes could be made? Because that's just naive.
Once again, he has literally said that he'll create a deportation squad that will go door to door and alleged illegal immigrants won't be given fair trial.
Why are you supporting someone you clearly haven't researched?
Also, can we take a moment to point out that these emails were most likely hacked by the Russian government in order to influence the election? That's a substantive problem, and one that hasn't really been addressed.
Those criticisms would be more compelling if immigrating was easier. It's a bit unreasonable to ask people to wait decades in line and get mad at them for thinking that's unreasonable.
1.7 have legally immigrated in the last year. That's more than the next 10 countries combined. How many do you think we should let in? Do you feel that other countries should allow the easy ride to citizenship you are demanding for the US or is ok that they hardly allow anyone in and you just want to attack the US?
If someone isn't a violent criminal or carrying a communicable disease, they should be allowed in if they want to come. The same rules that applied to "free white men" in America's early days should apply to all people. Unless you want to make the case that it was ok for unlimited "free white men" to immigrate to America but minorities need to be capped off with a quota.
Do you feel that other countries should allow the easy ride to citizenship you are demanding for the US or is ok that they hardly allow anyone in and you just want to attack the US?
I'm not a fan of locking people in geographic zones based on factors they can't control (place of birth). I believe in freedom and people being able to decide. All countries should have liberal immigration laws, but I live in America so I'm primarily concerned with what goes on here.
Also, criticizing immigration law is not "attacking the US." That's an absurd charge.
Okay, but as a Devil's Advocate, how many of us have put off anything and/or everything that involved is going to a government building? (I.e. Paying court fees, renewing licenses, etc)
agreed. I have always kind of figured the legal immigrants were getting tired of the illegals coming in the easier way and getting away with it. And your grandparents are right that they don't respect the american culture at all. What a lot of people don't realize is that if you go to any of the southern texas cities (houston, san antonio) they look like a little mini mexico. I haven't been down there in a while, but there's probably more signs/billboards in spanish than there are in english. Like seriously, english is the national language, #$%#ing learn it like all the rest of the immigrants! A lot of other places in the US are a lot more diverse and I don't feel like people understand what it's like to have another culture completely overrun their city like that. Yes we should have immigration and diversity, but legally and not overrunning what the US is about.
so does this mean I have to learn half a dozen different languages? The whole point of using english was so everybody can be on the same page when they talk to each other. That's why other countries have their own national language. You wouldn't move to china and expect to get away only knowing english and not putting forth effort learning chinese. Or mexico to make it more relevant, I would be putting forth a great deal of effort learning their language because that's what it would take to get ahead in their country.
Colluding with the media and getting debate questions ahead of time. What her and the DNC did to Bernie Sanders to cheat him out of winning. There is a ton of stuff, go check out r/DNCleaks if you want to see them since r/politics has decided to censor them and not allow them to be posted. r/politics is bought and paid for with the help of the admins. Blatant censorship
Hm. Maybe I'm blinded by my political leanings. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the DNC is under no obligation to be impartial: they are literally the embodiment of the political establishment, and therefore can be expected to support the establishment candidate. Nothing they did was illegal. Why does that one bother you?
I fully agree that getting a debate question ahead of time is pretty shady.....but to me, it is not earth shattering.
Is there anything else? I'm aware I can research on my own, but I just find when I ask people for specifics on why she is so corrupt / evil people have a hard time articulating answers. It's often more of a feeling than anything based on evidence. Or if they have evidence, it's vague and doesn't go into detail.
In full agreement that /r/politics is a complete echo chamber.....but it was the same way for Bernie when he was viable. Has more to do with reddit's General politics than anything nefarious IMO
rookerer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I play WoW with a guy who is Mexican American, parents are illegal, he's legal. He said "we're (his family) supporting Trump. Way we see it, country is screwed either way, so we might as well get a free trip back to Mexico out of it."
tomdarch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On one hand, all the Mexican-Americans forming negative opinions about this Republican candidate is making Reince Priebus cry inside.
But the fact that it's human nature for many people, regardless of race or circumstance, to want to pull up the ladder after yourself, and to be selfish, helps him to crack a little smile.
All the legal hispanics i work with like him because theit path to citizenship was not easy and they are sick of people sneaking in the country and taking what thwy had to work hard for.
There's a guy where I work who has "Latinos for Trump" stuff all over. To my surprise, he actually seems like a smart enough and nice dude.
He's white af
diatom15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the type of racist to lump all Latinos as Mexicans as well. We are united in a language but each have a diverse different culture. The power of the unifying bits though is strong because we're Latinos. And trump lost our vote. Fuck him and his wall. He will lose because Latino women and vets will not vote trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many Mexicans are voting Trump because of his immigration stance. They're legal citizens and don't want more competition in the job market from other Mexicans.
Smgt90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My aunt is Mexican - American and I think she's voting for Trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because they're not very educated
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin's step-dad is Mexican. Voting for Trump. No idea why.
Which makes perfect sense, but I actually do know someone who is hispanic (so maybe not Mexican, I've never asked) and supports Trump! I have no idea why! She said Obama is bringing in anyone into the country and allowing all these terrorists to come in, and when I said, that's funny, my SO and I have been working hard for years on a visa to get him here and it's really a long and difficult process, her response was it's because he's white.
I have and my town is like 85% hispanic. Like most everybody I have ever asked, and I ask a lot (I work at a hotel and ask each guest), have either hated both candidates, supported Trump, or hated Hillary alone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about as white as you can get and I can say the same about my family.
But dont illegals make little money? Their taxes wouldn't be as significant
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:35:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About half my daughter's class are kids who were born in Mexico.
Our daughter has told us that Trump is mean and that he hates Mexicans and that she wants Hillary to win because she won't make her friends leave the country.
I seriously don't understand how you can vote for Trump, even if he's not biased against your ethnic group in particular. He's made aggressive comments on Mexicans, Muslims, black people and LGBT people. It's not like he just dislikes them; if he's elected, the dude has the actual power to pass laws against them. Even if you're not in one of those groups, shouldn't you at least have some compassion for them?
Richy_T ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if he's elected, the dude has the actual power to pass laws against them.
OK, let's start here: Legislative, executive, judicial. In which branch does the presidency reside?
For fuck's sake, I used the phrase in a colloquial manner; you should know what I meant. Stop being a fucking smartass.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I can't know what you meant since that's inside your head. I know what you wrote and it is factually incorrect. You also used the word "actual" which underscores you meaning what you wrote.
Learn to hyperbole better.
The simple truth is, whoever wins, Trump or Clinton, it's not the end of the world since there's a whole political system with checks and balances which is at least somewhat effective. People need to get a grip.
You're being nitpicky about a one-off comment on the internet
Edit:
there's a whole political system witch checks and balances which is at least somewhat effective
Wow and here I thought the president has the power to do whatever they want /s
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're being nitpicky about a one-off comment on the internet
Yes. I am making a one-off nitpicky comment on a one-off comment on the internet (That happens to almost completely defuse your fear-based rhetoric). And?
Right, I'm just doing some deliberate fear mongering over here. This is a very sensible assumption
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you're the one saying the trump will be passing laws against Mexicans, Muslims, black people and LGBT people when, if nothing else, that's beyond his authority.
Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that Trump has the power to put his bigoted views into motion. I don't need to go into detail as to how; that's pretty self-explanatory. I already said I meant "pass laws" in a colloquial manner and any sensible person would assume just that, but you decided to fight over semantics in order to make condescending comments. Stop with this smartass behaviour
Geez candy, you're way off base. I don't see Trump as bigoted or racist at all. I hear the mainstream media call him that, but that's because they're all pro-Hillary. You need to find some better news sources or start thinking for yourself.
I'm talking about American citizens who are children, so yeah, don't know all the facts of the world yet. They are people who were born here, and often times their parents were as well.
And if American companies would stop hiring illegal people, the problem would be lessened. It's always about money, and some Americans have no problem doing these things when it's about profit. Follow the money.
The children usually pick up on these things from their parents or guardians. Which usually happen to be ignorant on his immigration policy. If you're documented, you have nothing to worry about. If they are undocumented, they put themselves and their families in this situation and they were wrong to do so. Why does the US all ways have to pick up the slack? Instead of making the US more like other countries, we should make other countries more like US.
And I agree that the big businesses only want them for slave wages. And that's all we're going to get if we don't stop this sooner rather than later
If you don't want your country changed, why do you think anyone else would?
H_Floyd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parent doesn't send a lunch for a kid. Your response would be, "let the kid go hungry."
Parent doesn't send a coat for a kid. Your response would be, "let the kid be cold."
Parent flees gang-infested hometown and illegally enters the U.S. so their kid/future kid doesn't get recruited into the drug trade. Your response would be, "send the kid back where they came from."
Why are you so insistent about blaming the parents yet punishing the child?
It seems a bit harsh to ask them to use the doorbell and wait for you to open the door for them rather than using the window when they're being chased by a hungry cougar.
Oh, you deleted your point about mexico treating their citizens poorly. I'm saying that they're treated poorly in their home country, whether it be by the government or by the rampant crime, they have incentive to leave before they are in personal danger.
isotaco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's got to be scary for them, thinking that someone who "hates Mexicans" could some day be in charge of the country. ugh, heart hurts thinking about it.
Yes to this. I work with 90% Hispanic kids in middle school. My kids hate Trump because they think he hates them.
Of course, the other 10% I work with are rural, white kids on the lower income level. They all like Trump.
And neither group particularly likes Clinton. Because...woman.
Trump may have ruined conservative politicians forever. If all of the pre-voting/non registered minorities that he has offended over and over and over become consistent voting citizens, the democrats will far outnumber the republicans. I'm not conservative, but don't necessarily have a problem with conservative economics, but this candidate may have actually ruined that party.
dm117 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did not expect him to gain as much traction as he did. Various Republican candidates have spoken out against him. I don't blame the party for Trump. They were actually working towards gaining the minority and women vote with immigration reform and social movements. I blame the people voting for him.
Hopefully their hatred of him will get their parents and relatives voting. This election is a shit show and people have strong opinions about it , but that's one small highlight.
EDIT: Getting people voting and paying attention to their government is good. I may not agree with who everyone is voting for, but that's not their choice and right.
An important thing to remember though is any increase in immigration enforcement will have a disparate impact on Mexicans and other Hispanics in terms of how they're policed, even for legal immigrants. Because we know what happens when one racial group in America is much more heavily policed than others.
So I could completely understand Mexican people not wanting to vote for him based on his crack down on immigration and start enforcing deportations idea.
I have always looked at it from the perspective of legal immigrants, they go through all this long process to do things right and have to watch a lot of people say fuck it and sneak through the border, that kind of pisses me off.
On the other hand, Trump insistence on immigration issues and the way he speaks about mexicans, makes me think that he is quite prejudiced and probably racist.
This is completely anecdotal so don't take it as fact
I went through the process legally. It was very expensive and time consuming. When I was 10-13 I felt angry people just did it illegally. Once I learned how much it costs us I understood why so many Mexican people did it. If we didn't come from a very privileged family it would have taken us years to afford the costs of moving to the United States. Some people just pay the thousand bucks a coyote wants to cross you illegally and get it over in one day and I understand that. Most of them will be gone once the work season is gone and while they are here they usually work someone else's SSN so they are putting money in Taxes one way or another.
Personally I think we should reduce the cost for TEMPORARY migration since that's what most people here in California do. Come work the harvest season then go back home then come back next year. If they could get a legal, fast and economical way of doing that so many issues could be solved.
I wouldn't object to it, but my thoughts are that USA jobs should go to USA citizens as a priority. If they can't get people to pick fruit for minimum wage, and so import temp workers from Mexico or whatever then I wouldn't have any problems.
They should and the jobs are open for them but none of them want to pick Peaches in 90 degree weather or Rake almonds for 10 hours while completely covered in dust from the machines. My uncles run a few orchards and every year a few college kids show up since no one gets turned down for work but they never come back the second day which sucks.
The problem with the context of that statement is that illegal immigration from Mexico is at its lowest level in many years, and that's because Obama really ramped up enforcement and deportations during his term (coupled with the shitty economy), but you'll never hear Trump say that, because it's not about the facts of what he says, his intent is to whip up jingoistic, nativist rage amongst the people who listen to him. I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking seriously someone who's whole goal is to ride a wave of hate into the White House. It's disgusting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know how stupid it would be for Trump to say he wants to carry on what Obamas been doing? Of course he won't say that, like Hillary won't say "yeah I've adopted some of Sanders policies to attract his voters".
Yeah, god forbid he have the decency to say "Y'know, President Obama and I have our differences on many policy issues, but on this one, we happen to agree." That used to be a thing that happened all the time, but now, it's inconceivable to anyone who doesn't remember it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No politicians have the ability to do something like that without losing voters. It's not a smart political move, no matter who says it.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the main problem is that many mexican families have illegals in them. My family is now legal, but they were once illegal. I can't imagine my family being separated from me. It depends on your PoV, really.
The media deliberately misconstrues and distorts what he said in his illegal immigration speech.
Donald could be a lot clearer in how he speaks so he doesn't run into those problems. But he is usually vague because he wants to appeal to people who hate Mexicans. It's not a shocker that white supremacists like his campaign. He doesn't outright say it so his supporters tend to see what they want to see. Trumps always leaves a plausible deniability option open.
lol. Born and raised in texas, been through a couple of border patrol stops (they do have them farther in from the border where they make everyone get off the freeway and go through border patrol). They don't do anything. It's really just someone being paid to wave all the cars through. One of them even had a K-9, but even then they don't have it close enough to the cars to catch anything, I guess dog's sense of smell is that dang good. Also the wall is pretty funny because all they're going to do is tunnel under it. I'm surprised kids aren't building walls at the beach and digging a tunnel under it, because that would be pretty hilarious to see.
fast_edi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like one of two things. Either they listen to mainstream media and believe that crap, or they came here illegally (or their family members have) and they don't want deported.
[deleted] ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 15:51:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is if they're here illegally. Also, Mexican isn't a race.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you support illegal immigration?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good to see they are so wildly uniformed, meaning their parents are too. Congrats to the media on that one. You should consider informing them reality.
90% of the boys are convinced if we elect Hillary she'll castrate them and sell us to the Jews.
The girls think Trumps daughter is pretty.
God help us.
Edit: huh. All this on an offhand comment with an account I never meant to use. Whoops.
Ok, real additions:
I'm in the CT/Mass area. I'm a long term sub, to be perfectly honest. I mostly just keep kids in line.
Most kids aren't very talkative about it. But there's a clear gender divide.
Boys, especially nerdy internet using boys and very athletic ones, think Trump is hillarious. They always want groups called team Trump. They talk about making the school great again. They mention building a wall to keep the Portuguese kids out. (Big pop in my school, most of which also like trump.)
They seem to think that Hillary is too much like their moms or their teachers. Also, Hillary hates freedom I guess?
The girls, mostly the nerdy bookish ones or the fashion obsessed ones, think Trump is scary. Hillary = girl power, but they mostly talk about Trump. He's angry or rude or rascist. Also, he hates freedom? Boys love to tease girls about Trump. The atmosphere is more "boys v girls" than real politics.
But most kids don't talk politics. And a-political kids say stuff like "Ivankas hot/pretty." Or "Trumps not even like, a real politician"
Oddly, the teachers (in small town New England) are also pretty split. Lunch room political conversations end fast if certain people enter or leave.
It wasn't until this weekend I saw a single pro Hillary sign. But pro Trump signs are Errrrrvrywhere. A few Johnson signs too.
Once again, bluest of the blue states. Elections complex guys.
[deleted] ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 15:11:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting castrated and shipped off to the Jews sounds like a weird porno
Echo-Tide ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 15:14:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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My understanding is that religious laws that ban foods are typically a result of safety, for example pork is banned because it's more likely to make you sick.
The other reason is that the food is 'dirty'.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like based on the historical beliefs of what made you sick.
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle was a mohel. He retired a few years ago and when he was cleaning out his office his assistant found a huge glass jar filled to the brim with maybe a thousand foreskin. She almost threw up but he said he always thought he would have a use for them someday. He took them down to the local tailor and asked him to make something practical to commemorate his years of service. Fast forward a week and the tailor calls saying to pick up his order. So my uncle goes in and the guy hands him a small flat box. My uncle opened it and it was a wallet. My uncle got really mad and said "there had to be a thousand foreskin in that jar and this is all you could make from them?". To which the tailor replied "yeah but if you stroke it it turns into a briefcase".
kingbad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could make a change purse out of it...and if you rub it for a while, it turns into a suitcase!
Right? All these hypocrites acting like they've never given their friends permission to call their daughters a piece of ass, this is just how guys talk, it's just locker-room talk. /s
Eumos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said that Trump called his daughter a "piece of ass." I'm clarifying that Howard Stern said it, not Trump. Don't get your panties in a twist.
Since when is it weird for a father to be proud of his daughter and exclaim how pretty she is? As a father of girls, I'd like to know at what point I'm supposed to stop describing my girls as pretty.
And genuinely capable at business. More than her pops anyway.
saremei ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 16:20:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh no, you're talking about the comeback king. Trump is legendary. Going from wealthy to in the negatives (because of reasons out of his control) and back to billions.
"Hey I know, let's nominate a candidate with no political experience at all, with numerous scandals, a history of bankruptcy, and an inability to compromise on any political agenda they have. That'll go real well"
morgawr_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think God is the reason why children are not allowed to vote, but I don't know enough about religion to disprove this.
JSBraga ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:30:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They mention building a wall to keep the Portuguese kids out.
As a Portuguese person myself, I find that hilarious. We're relevant, woo hoo! :P
He never said that either. He jokingly implied he'd be interested in his daughter if not for her being his daughter, in the context of her being praised for her beauty.
Don't get me wrong, it's still a bit creepy. But not like he outright said he'd grab her by the pussy or anything.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in middle school when Obama ran and from what I remember kids called me racist when I said he was getting a lot of votes because he was black. I'm a pretty liberal person, non racist, I think a lot of people can agree that people were excited he was black, I am too! But getting called racist at 12 really hurts your self esteem. Middle school kids are stupid.
90% of the boys are convinced if we elect Hillary she'll castrate them and sell us to the Jews.
Ummm... what's going on with the boys at your school? Seriously, that's not normal and, well, pretty damn racist. That'd be the kinda thing I'd try to put the kibosh on.
What kind of middle schoolers are these? I know that most of them in my school watch the debates and read over their policies and their actions and decide which candidate they want - which is usually Clinton (this is in AZ).
A lot of middle schoolers aren't as politically aware or active, sadly.
I made sure to be aware of what was going on at both the local and the federal levels before I could even vote. Did not have many folks my age that I could talk to about that.
I think that, if we were to start more in-depth education of the political process and how it can effect us all, in schools, we'd see a huge spike in voter turnout and a general decline in isolationist and nativist mindsets.
I got very lucky, growing up, and was able to be around people of all different cultures and professions. I grew up with very smart (like, a good many doctors [M.D and P.H D])people who didn't shy away from teaching me about a variety of subjects and answering any and all questions (and I was a very inquisitive child) I had.
If more people had a similar opportunity, or at least easier access to the resources, things would be a lot better.
The candidates and politicians will never educate the people, though. They want only a small subset of the potential electorate to actually vote, and they want them to be a simpleminded group that is easy to coerce and, let's face it, lie too.
And this has been going on for quite some time. You think this shit election is a coincidence?
But seriously, are we surprised that Middle Schoolers love Trump?
I don't even mean that as a condescending dig at the intelligence level of the campaign (although I sure could use it that way). It's just, well, memes are really popular right now in the Middle School demographic and thus the spawning ground of memes, 4chan, has become a de facto part of Middle School life. They all want to emulate the people on that site by saying progressively edgier shit and spouting more memes.
And since 4chan has basically become Trump's unofficial campaign website, they follow lock behind it because it is edgy and attention grabbing, as always.
I feel like more often we guys in class are more into politics, the girls hear us talking and dont usually interject too much.
dwmfives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Portuguese kids
So, Ludlow, MA?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They seem to think that Hillary is too much like their moms or their teachers.
I think this is at the root of a lot of political sexual bias.
PKMKII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The atmosphere is more "boys v girls" than real politics.
What's sad is that there are adults voting along the same lines.
peon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't until this weekend I saw a single pro Hillary sign. But pro Trump signs are Errrrrvrywhere. A few Johnson signs too.
Same here in Maine even though we've voted Democrat for the past 8 or so elections. Say what you want about Trump but he actually does energize his base. His supporters want him. I feel like most Hillary supporters are kind of apathetic and care more about stopping Trump than electing Hillary.
Nope. Maryland and California qualify as the bluest of the blue. Nate Silver has the chance of Clinton winning both states at >99.9% (not enough decimal positions, I guess). The only time I have seen a Trump sign is on the back window of a truck from NY that was passing through. Not a lot of Hillary signs, but a few, mostly in front yards.
I've driven through a lot of solid conservative areas that will definitely vote for Trump, and I still don't see any signs for him. Not sure what's going on in CT/MA with a bunch of Trump signs. Maybe Trump only had enough money in the charity checking account to pay UPS to send the signs as far as CT.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boys, especially nerdy internet using boys and very athletic ones, think Trump is hillarious. They always want groups called team Trump.
The girls, mostly the nerdy bookish ones or the fashion obsessed ones, think Trump is scary. Hillary = girl power, but they mostly talk about Trump. He's angry or rude or rascist.
Same exact shit in my HS except some people can vote.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
90% of the boys are convinced if we elect Hillary she'll castrate them and sell us to the Jews.
Well damn that was going to be my campaing for the next election! That asshole cut me off!
God help us.
Well, Hillary is leading in the pols. Sounds like God's helping the Jews this time.
Live in Mass. Can confirm: I haven't seen any Hillary signs, but there are so many Trump ones! I'm thinking either (1) they feel like the minority so are being vocal or (2) Trump fans seem like they'd be more vocal....
thefrado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are the boys you teach Eric Cartman?
SumOMG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL the alt-right CNN is scared of are probably middle schoolers on /pol
I'd bet my left testicle that those kids make up a chunk of /r/The_Deplorables
One thing that's kept me semi-sane throughout this election season is the knowledge that the person who I'm arguing with, who appears to be a complete fucking moron, may very well be a literal child.
runefar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know if the boys are supporting trump because he is a guy or if they are joking about supporting him because he is funny? I ask this because what you said seems to make them sound like they don't like trump but think things he does is so idiotic in a hilarious way that they are joking about the things he does. Sorry if that doesn't make sense.
The middle school boys I work Think Trump is funny because he is so ridiculous. He's like a cartoon character to them. They love Trump memes and just like your students, anything that they get to name is called Trump. Any slogan they have to come up with is "Make ______ great again."
I saw an article yesterday saying that Trump supporters are, statistically, white people (particularly men) with slightly above average income and strong racial resentment.
In a number of surveys they get the strongest correlation between Trump support and agreeing with whatever statements that indicate racial resentment/xenophobia. The only correlation nearly as strong is existing political affiliation.
yeartwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The atmosphere is more "boys v girls" than real politics
Think Hilary reminding voters of thier mom or teacher might be affecting adults too.
Trump is like that mad uncle that gives you beer for the first time but says embarrassing things about Mexicans
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
South shore or north shore? We both know that so much of MA is the south of the north. When I lived in Bridgewater I would see Confederate flags on the reg.
I'm about 10 miles out from Boston, I've only ever seen one or two Trump signs, many many Hillary signs, and there's a Johnson sign just around the corner from my house.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an interesting and insane election season. More people on both sides seem to talk more about Trunk than Hilary. I've heard less criticism and general discussions about Hilarys stances and policies than I have about drumpf being a horrible candidate and/or whatnot. We've heard a number of talks and speeches, and they all refer to how trump is not suitable for office. While they exist, I rarely hear that many supporting Hilary.
It's the opposite of the 2008 election in some aspects.
most young kids use streaming services which dont have news and more and more adults are consuming news on their tablets/phones which are for their eyes only. There is no television news worth watching anyway. I can see how kids today won't grow up with it.
My students were doing presentations on parts of a cell. One boy was presenting on the cell wall. His last line was, "And where would we be without our wall?" My favorite student mutters under his breath, "on the democratic side of the election."
He's my favorite because we connected so well. He's my buddy. ADHD and a total lack of impulse control. He's got a great heart though, and I think I'm the first teacher who has ever cared enough to see that.
Sounds like you're doing a fantastic job. We all have teachers that we look back on and admire the difference they made in our lives. You're doing that, as I'm sure you know and are reminded of that on a daily basis.
Thanks. It's kids like him that make my job worthwhile. Seeing a kid come in defensive and jaded, then slowly breaking down those walls. Every time I think of quitting (which is far too often), I think of him.
notLOL ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:14:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can imagine that he feels helpless to avoid saying the zinger out loud. Kid must be a Redditor
A similar level of bias here too. Would so many people hate Hillary if she was a man? She's also been in national politics way more than Obama was when he ran, so there's lots more dirt on her (as there is with most career politicians).
I'm not entirely sure, honestly! I do see a lot of comments about her that are misogynistic, but a lot of people like her more so because she's female. I don't know how much it actually influences the election.
BGYeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, the issues people have with Hillary don't come from issues with her gender.
koonikki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think she would be worse off. especially with the "as a mother" comments. and i find her very sympathetic as a person despite being corrupt
That would be awful. The last thing he should become is a martyr who incites riots and violence in his death. He needs to be criminally prosecuted for some of the things he's done, and locked away, left to rot and be forgotten.
Well if a special prosecutor in the 90s, a congressional oversight committee, and an endless array of investigations for 25 years hasn't turned up anything they could prosecute, maybe another 8 years of intense scrutiny can turn up something. Clearly.
Idk. A library fine from 9th grade or something.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:57:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 15:14:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know too many people that want Trump assassinated. Yeah he's a dick, but that's a bit much.
mbrattoo ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 15:30:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom keeps saying she's not worried about Trump becoming president because "he'll get taken care of."
She says it so fucking ominously and is constantly surprised that I don't share her sentiments. I mean, I can't stand the guy, but banking on the notion, he'll get assassinated? That's way too far for me.
My girlfriend says the same thing, not in an assassinated sense though, she just thinks that the GOP will find some loophole to impeach him so that Pence is president.
I find that to be somehow scarier in all honesty.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:44:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. He would undo all of the good Obama had done in recent years.
oz6702 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:30:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's scarier because Mike Pence, unlike Trump, actually has experience in government, and has the temperament to appeal to a much broader audience than Trump does (never thought I'd say that about Mike fuckin Pence, but such is the crazy of this election cycle). Pence would be, IMO, far more effective at dismantling what little progress we've made in recent years.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. My parents (republicans) have talked before about how they hate trump, but think Pence would be a good president because he "Looked presidential" during the VP debate.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that a lot in 2008 too. Lots of people in red states just assuming Obama wouldn't make it to his inauguration. Its horrifying
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a Blue state and also assumed that would happen. I'm happy to have been proven wrong though.
ispikey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:44:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you someone, somewhere had the plan but was foiled by their own stupidity and some alphabet agency took them away and we're never going to hear about it.
I'm certain it was more than just one someone. I was at the inauguration in 2009, and it was a pretty scary experience. There were guys with rifles on every rooftop.
We did hear about it, but it was a relatively small blip on the radar. The wiki page was pretty clear about that:
Although the United States Secret Service said they were taking the plot seriously, authorities were unsure how capable Schlesselman and Cowart were of carrying out the alleged plot.
People said the same shit about Obama, and after his presidency the general consensus is that he didn't fuck it up too bad... (besides the trillions in debt and Obamacare)
My mom said a similar thing, but I think its because there's so much fear if he actually comes in to power. "He needs to be taken out". MOM! You can't say those things! But at the same time I do understand the fear that would lead you to believe the only way out of this mess is to eliminate the individual at the top of it.
Honestly though, would you care? I'm not trying to act like i would. And i can say that about both candidates. It's not out of malice, i can just honestly say I just really wouldn't care at all.
The guy is a magnet for crazy, so it honestly wouldn't surprise me if one day one of his more... interesting supporters suddenly felt wronged by him (for some small, illogical reason), and immediately decided that only an extreme reaction will do.
That, or they might get the idea that they want to make him a martyr for the "cause".
I have the same feelings as your mom only I'm the daughter is this situation, and you react just like my mom does to me. My logic isn't that he's that much of a terrible person he needs to be killed. It's more that he would be such a terrible president that someone somewhere would need to take care of it and the only way is to do that is to off him.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 1:40s in Hillary offhandedly uses the word as a reason not to drop out of primary against Obama. It's weird that it's non-chalantly floated as plausible outcome in the deeper forums dedicated to Hillary. Nothing damning in the video, just a weird archived interview. https://youtube.com/watch?v=E0QAewVrR28&t=103
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:22:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't understand is why assassinations aren't more common. So many millions of people with insanely passionate hatred for others, and so many of them with guns, why aren't we seeing politicians and CEO's dropping left and right? Statistically speaking there should be a major assassination each week given the large population, access to firearms, and number of crazy insane-o whackjobs.
Velkyn01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:18:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone assumes they'd be caught afterwards, if not foiled in their attempt. Then someone exactly the same (if not worse) would fill their shoes.
Plus, the system is too big. You can't find just one person and be like, "Him, it all comes down if we just remove him." If it did work like that, then totally, we'd have assassinations all the time.
Of course, assassination is illegal as hell. Also, it's sinking towards Trump's level on coarse poitics and would martyr him. And I don't want President Pence (which is also a risk when Trump gets impeached or resigns)
bent42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:27:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? Who wants a wackadoo fundamentalist christian in office? I'll take the xenophobic misogynistic oligarch any day.
But we're used to the fundamentalist's nonsense... Either way, he's already making himself the victim of some silly conspiracy. I don't know if I could handle Trump the martyr.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bent42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:00:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence. I was talking about Pence who would become president when Trump gets whacked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an actual facist. If he enacts even a few of his ideas (torture, militarily targeting civilians, cracking down on media opposition, nation wide stop and frisk, just to name a few), it is our writen duty to take action against him by any means necessary. It would be the failure of every American if he doesn't get taken out.
hahahaha... the same person who says the oregon protestors should be shot reprimands a presidential candidate for being authoritarian
notLOL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the Internet started, our teachers warned us that a kid thought it would be funny to send death threats to the president. The secret service "vanned" the school.
I'm afraid your young kids are gonna do something stupid after this election no matter who loses/wins.
[deleted] ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 15:17:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet most Americans would consider abolition of the second amendment to fall under the definition of an overreaching government.
Or a document not written in stone (hence amendments) being changed to reflect society, if it's supported. Regardless, she'd never get enough support to do it and she's never held a position that supports abolishing any amendment. So he's building a straw man, proof he IS a politician... as if that reason to vote for him was every really it.
He's speaking to a hypothetical situation where Hillary is at the top of this overreaching government. Shouldn't be too difficult to understand.
Are you really sure he's implying people should assassinate her? He couldn't be saying people should exercise their second amendment rights in spite of her position on gun laws?
One of my fourth graders two years ago said she wanted Jack Kevorkian as the White House doctor :/ I, too, was shocked into silence.
J0K3R2 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:16:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and take a gander that a fourth grader is just parroting a name of a "doctor" she heard either on the radio or her parents talking about. Pretty certain that a fourth grader wouldn't know of what Kevorkian did.
Zippy477 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:25:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even more likely to be parroting a joke she heard at home
i'm pretty sure she is just parroting what her parents have said. I don't think Kevorkian is relavent to 4th graders since he was convicted before they were even born...
Unfortunately, she had the general idea what she was suggesting."he was a doctor that killed people," was her response when the other teacher asked if she knew who that was. It was a punchline of a joke her parents were fond of telling, apparently.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness Pence probably won't sexually assault Angela Merkel, nor call her ugly when he gets frustrated at a negotiation.
aamfs94 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 15:26:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he would actually stand a chance to pass legislation preventing women who were raped from seeking out abortions... unlike Trump who faces a much more hostile congress.
rileyk ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Women, LGBT, POC, they all lose with Trump/Pence, but Pence would culturally enable discrimination against LGBT people, and thats horrifying.
Augenis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rileyk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
Serapius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[Pence is] honestly way worse than Trump.
This is how I feel as well. I don't like Trump and I think he is a complete idiot (especially in regards to politics), but Pence isn't stupid. He knows how to get legislation passed and is very bigoted and has gotten his state into some series crap with the bills he has supported.
I would honestly rather see Trump be President than Pence, though I feel like if Trump actually won, Pence would do most of the actual political stuff for Trump and be shadow President while Trump just acts as the face of the office.
EDIT: As much as I detest Hillary and will absolutely not be voting for her, I will be relieved when she finally wins this election.
Well, y'know, the best way to ensure that she wins is to vote for her. Even if you live in a red state.
Serapius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Five Thirty Eight says she has something like a 4% chance to win my state. If I lived in a swing state, I'd see your point, but here I'd rather through in my protest vote and hopefully help a third party have a chance to appear in the 2020 debates.
Sure but numbers do matter, even the small ones. Adding to the number of blue voters is a good thing. Regardless, I'm not going to say to vote for her if you don't like her, but she does have the best chance of beating Trump.
Serapius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She has the only chance of beating Trump. I just don't feel like she's deserving of my vote (and Trump certainly isn't). Really, I'm not sure anyone, other than Bernie Sanders, is deserving of my vote.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roe v. Wade has not been overturned. They cannot pass such a bill.
aamfs94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roe v. Wade never ended the abortion debate. Individual states have been trying to pass clarifications or interpretations of that decision, to varying degrees of success. Furthermore, the abortion debate is far from over - the current legal code is not set in stone and will have to be revised. I believe the most recent standard for "off-limits" fetuses is determined through "viability." Advancing technologies will, in the not so distant future, call the definition of that word and our increased understanding of fetal development into question. The laws will always have to grapple with new ethical challenges that advanced technologies impose.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nobody even wants to sexually assault merkel's ugly ass anyways
Exactly! Donald Trump would say stupid shit like that on TV. Pence would shake hands with her and treat her with respect even if they didn't get along.
ani625 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I guess Kaine was smart enough to know a good deal when he saw it. Step down as chair for the dnc and recommend Wassermann Schultz in exchange for vice presidency. He is a good debater too, he really stayed on topic, all he did really was talk about trump
Pithulu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dazy143 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, I remember back in 2007 a kid in my eighth grade history class wished that Hillary would be assassinated. I wonder if he ever thought she would get this far.
I met a grown man, a Bernie supporter, who said he was going to assassinate Trump then he made me listen to his Bill Clinton impression(I felt like throwing that in because OF COURSE he did). You meet some interesting folks working on campaigns...
bubscuf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
European here, and I've heard my grandma talk about Trump getting assassinated. I can see where she's coming from. Aside from all the racism/sexism/everything, Trump has talked about not honouring NATO and is very pro-Putin. The way I see it, my continent is in danger if he's President.
I overheard a conversation the other day in which the two people were talking about how we need to pay more attention to the Vice President candidates, since one of them is going to end up president when whoever is elected gets assassinated. I thought "holy shit" and then "wait, she's right".
Well, he is standing trial for the rape of a minor this December. Considering the history of how sexual misconduct and impeachments interact in this country, he won't even step foot into office before the bill to get him out hits the Senate floor.
Middle/high schoolers make fun of Trump and use his name synonymously with "idiot". He's the butt of most of their jokes. Snippets I've heard: "Whatever, Trump, I didn't want your Skittles anyway," "If you weren't being such a Trump we would have let you play." "Looks like either way we'll have our first female president!"
Then little ones haven't said much, although the other day a 6 year old boy told us "Trump doesn't like brown people and I'm brown. He also has weird hair. My whole family hates him cuz he's mean."
Also in a blue state back in my day we did the same thing with Sarah Palin. Also Micheal Jackson which made it weird when he died and suddenly everyone loved him.
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 15:58:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most countries' entire political spectrum lies within the Democratic mainstream, between Senator Sanders and Senator Manchin. Yes, some non-western countries are more homophobic, but on the organizing of society almost everywhere is at least centrist.
Mm true. But for others reading this who don't know, our Conservative Party is our farthest right party that actually has political power.
Our current Government run by the Liberal Party, would probably be (wrongfully) called a communist party in the States. We don't have a communist party, as we fucking destroyed them.
we assumed George W. Bush was the height of both stupidity and malice, and his name was always uttered with a certain level of contempt
The problem with such assumptions is that somebody always comes along to prove them wrong. Don't assume Trump is as bad as it gets though...imagine somebody like Trump, but actually competent enough to get his approval ratings higher.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I still don't know why he thought invading Iraq was a good idea. It evidently seemed like a good idea at the time, so I guess we can't really blame him too much. Saddam Hussein was massacring innocent Kurds and doing other horrible deeds, although the irony of the United States not tolerating Iraq's crimes while allowing Saudi Arabia to conduct atrocities isn't lost on me.
I guess at the time it must have seemed necessary. Even if it was needed, Bush didn't do a good job. The idiot left a huge mess which would eventually create ISIS and may or may not have contributed to the Syrian civil war and refugee crisis. Not only that, but he also fucked up the US economy in the process with a war that - combined with Afghanistan - wasted trillions of dollars. On top of that, Iraq wasn't even the country from where the 9/11 terrorists came from. That would be like the British declaring war on the Netherlands in WW2 when it was Germany that had invaded Poland.
I wouldn't be so angry if he had actually taken responsibility and fixed the mess he made. Do what the Americans did while occupying Japan. Rebuild destroyed cities, put previous leaders on a tighter leash instead of executing them so they can help keep the country stabilized, and enact democratic reforms to make Iraq a richer and more developed place. Yes, it would had been expensive, but invading another country in the first place is not exactly cheap, and not something that should be done without an actual plan A - and a plan B just in case.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its interesting to look back, so many people thought George W was the end all be all of evil (especially since I'm muslim and grew up around lots of muslims). But at this point I think most people would prefer him to either candidate.
Oh we had one of those in Britain!! She was a cancerous wretch of a person who stuck to the asshole of lower-tier celebrity like a boil. Then she actually got cancer and died. Now everyone thinks she's in heaven playing table tennis with Princess Diana.
Huh. In middle school some classmates used to play "michael jackson tag" which was jist regular tag only everyone said that the guy who was it was Michael Jackson, and whenever anyone was tagged they'd say "you're it, no jacksonbacks".
"Looks like either way we'll have our first female president!"
Sometimes a child's sense of humor is extraordinary.
Edit- Trump has a lot of insecurity issues, calling him a woman is less about putting down a gender as much as it is poking at his specific issues, which makes me laugh; he tries really hard to put up a wall about those insecurities.
well the other day my friend was looking for an email from a month ago and he said "I can't find it.. it must have gotten deleted" and I said "Okay Hillary" and people just generally don't like her here. girls like her a bit more but they still don't like her
sopheroo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:43:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Whatever, Trump, I didn't want your Skittles anyway," "If you weren't being such a Trump we would have let you play." "Looks like either way we'll have our first female president!"
Overheard my kids (6&9), just this morning, having a conversation about not wanting Trump to win because he'll make the black kids go to a different school and they won't get to go to school with some of their friends anymore (we're white).
We interrupted to explain that he couldn't actually do that and asked who told them that, but no real answer. Just, "well, he doesn't like black people."
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:33:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like your kids are on a certain popular website.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:12:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my state, a Republican state, people use Clinton as a joke.
djnicko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Houston, Texas. Never heard a 5th or 6th grader say anything positive about Trump. They have even started bullying about it, falsely accusing people of liking Trump, just to get people to jeer them. It has been pretty surprising.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Donald Trump's hair looks either like old house insulation or corn silk. ๐๐ป
saremei ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 16:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"trump doesn't like brown people".... Yet he spent considerable time and money fighting discrimination his entire career. Commended by Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow Push coalition for his dedication to the cause. Publicly backed by Louis Farrakhan because he's the complete opposite of racist.
Trump has done more than the entire democrat party to fight racism. Democrat politicians merely see black people as votes and nothing more.
saremei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:39:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only one deluded is you. Where's your proof of racism? Hmm? Where is it? Where is him saying anything negative about black people even once? No where. We have decades of news articles backing trump and only the current baseless campaign smearing from the hillary camp against him. You're the one with no proof for your positions. You just go by what you are told by others, not what reality shows you.
Pinky626 ยท 1358 points ยท Posted at 14:51:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids were running around playing while I watched the first debate, paying no attention, and my 7 yr old son stopped suddenly, looked at the TV and said "Donald Trump is a rude guy, he keeps interrupting Hilary Clinton."
Hey to be a better shill, you should comment some things that aren't Trump related sometimes, and also, tell your bosses that gaps in posting of more than a few months, then immediately changing style and attacking a single politician, are really suspicious.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:55:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, Trump's personality is so abhorrent that the majority of people on the planet think he's a piece of shit.
You know, you are actually the first person to directly accuse me of being a shill! I canโt tell you how pleased I am. I was really starting to get worried that I was shilling poorly and that they would stop depositing my checks.
I mean, really, months of this and nothing so far. I have been sitting in meetings over at Goldman HQ and hearing all of these stories of my fellow shills being called out on the internet for their enthusiasm and vocal supportโฆand I havenโt heard a damn word. I was really starting to feel inadequate. I mean, I have been actively shilling since the PRIMARY for godโs sake.
And I work hard.
Go ahead, ask me a question.
Do you want to know about Hillaryโs record with marriage equality? I gotcha. You want a cute little anecdote about her life? I have you covered. Testimony about her time as a senator? I LIVE in New York and voted for her TWICE. I can tell you about her liberal record, and how it compares to her colleagues in the senate. I can speak at great length about her position on gun control and her vote for the Iraq war. I can tell the story of my own conversion from Bernie to Shilling for Hill. I can list off at least a dozen reasons why I think she is going to be a fantastic president, right off the top of my head, and without mentioning Mr. Trump once!
I even own an extensive collection of headbands.
In fact, I am wearing one right now.
But does anyone ever ask me? Or acknowledge the work that I do? Well, aside from the money from CTR, I mean. The answer is a resounding, horribly disappointing NO! Not even onceโฆ.until today.
Thank you thank you thank you.
I feel incredibly validated right now.
My little liberal corporate stooges in the making are going to dine out on sweet shill bucks tonight. (I think we get a bonus)
One could say that your profile is all pro trump. We are allowed opinions yaknow
nermid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:04:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was professional courtesy, and he thought he was talking from one paid poster to another. Maybe we're reading this all wrong, and it's just sincere advice from the Trump campaign.
The VP debate had a weird format which involved 'open discussion', where the two candidates were both given floor time at the same time. Kaine DID interrupt too much, but many of his interjections were simply trying to get a word in edgewise through Pence's claiming the shared time for himself.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU. I've had people say "I wish Trumped dropped out because Pence seems okay." They seriously don't understand the fucked up beliefs and policies he wants. He's one of those "real rape doesn't make babies and planned parenthood/gays are evil". Happy for IN he is out.
Tim Kain is a fucking creep and it shocks me that no one talks about it. He's literally being accused of the rape of a 13 year old girl, and the court proceedings for the case will begin in December.
And that goes without mentioning the oddly sexual comments he made about his own daughter when she was still a child, or the inappropriate remarks he was caught on video making to ten year old girls.
lol I love how nothing you guys say ever smacks of reality because it's made up. It's like everything you do is tainted and doomed to fail simply because of how you go about it.
Can't get the masses to swallow your pill? Why, of course, the answer is to be super dick bags and insult all day.
The masses feel sympathy for the man you're attacking, even as they hate who he is as a person? Obviously, the solution is to lie some more.
[deleted] ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 16:45:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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aly5321 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:10:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Into what? Into thinking that it's okay for someone to interrupt a person while it's the other person's turn? The kid didn't say shit about policy or anything. He made an observation. That's it. Chill out for a sec yo.
This is one of the biggest consequences form this shit show of an election. Even if (when) Trump loses, we can't erase the terrifying number of supporters that he's radicalized, and we can't erase the cultural divides that have been strengthed. This doesn't end on Nov. 8th.
Teach 4th grade in Texas, despite being a red state the majority of my students are pro Hilary. We have had some discussions on the electoral votes versus a popular vote election I try and limit their calling out of candidate opinions but I have heard,"Trump is a racist" a lot " He wants to get rid of Mexicans" . I have a few kids that support Trump they have stated things like "Hilary will destroy the country" and "Hilary stole from the White House". Obviously the kids are parroting what they hear from home.
Anytime a Trump picture comes up most will boo though.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:21:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine that it'd be pretty much any huge city here. Austin, San Antonio, and Houston are pretty blue, and I could see certain parts of DFW being like that too.
But something like Tyler or Lubbock? I'd be shocked.
Where in Texas? I live in ETX and I haven't heard a single person say they support Hillary here. Granted it is a small town, but even neighboring towns and cities, I have seen maybe one pro Hillary anything
According to the polling average Trump leads Clinton by less than 6 points in Texas.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in suburban east Texas in a very conservative area. I see very little in terms of actual Trump support. Vast majority of people around here voted for Cruz in the primary. I see more cars with Romney bumper stickers still on them then Trump ones, and everyone who I have heard talk about the election hates him. That said, they hate Hillery even more. I know a lot of people who are saying they might not vote at all. Most who vote will vote for Trump because of the R next to his name, and a small number will vote for Johnson.
There are plenty of non-conservative areas of Texas as well. Voter registration for latinos is at a record high in Texas and many other states. The polls have consistently shown an unusually tight race in Texas, about twice as close as 2012. You can't judge a whole state by your particular area.
I couldn't agree more. I think recently a fairly large Dallas newspaper endorsed Gary Johnson. Conservatives and Republicans (very different things at this point) are unhappy about Trump.
I can't actually think many religious or fiscally conservative points of Trump's.
Planned Parenthood : "Does great work" - Trump
Gay Marriage : "It's the law of the land" -Trump
He said he'd take guns from people on the no-fly list, which many conservatives feel is irrevocable and unconstitutional.
He's only a supporter of free speech only when the institutions in question praise him. Otherwise it's slander, libel, or defamy.
'A Secret Service report documented the theft of a presidential seal that was 12 inches in diameter from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building,'' next to the White House, on Jan. 19, 2001, the accounting office said.
I live in Dallas, it seems to almost be split down the middle here. Lots of overwhelming support for Trump (it's TX and people like guns). My family and most of my friends are hands down for Hillary. TX has an increased hispanic population vs pretty much every where else in the US from what I've heard. A lot of people are terrified of losing their hispanic friends/family. It's really scary. I'm still really young and politics were never my thing, but this election seems so important, no one knows what's going to happen and that shakes me to the core. I remember when Obama was elected it was such an amazing step for our country and I feel like we're taking 3 steps back if Trump is elected. Hillary wouldn't be great either, but she'd be better than him IMO.
I doubt it. The general mind set over here is "Trump is a man=Trump is better. Hillary lied so she must be evil" (because normal people never lie)
I'll have to start spreading that fact like a Cali fire. Thanks man
Not since 1976. But when's the last time Utah was a battleground state? It's a tight race there, and the Democrat may win Utah for the first time in since 1964.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but look at the historical context. The past two nominees won Utah by at least 38%, so winning Utah by single digits is a warning sign.
Phredex ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:53:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what is it like to teach in a special needs school? Because it is very true that Hillary and Bill took over $200,000 worth of art and furnishings when they left the White House.
gc3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, the goods were gifts received by the Clintons, but if the gifts are for the President in the White House it stays but if it to Mr. Clinton it can be taken. Subtle
Nice call kids names because 9 year olds don't remember the transition of the Clinton to Bush White House, or they(their parents most likely) disagree with supporting Trump.
Only semi relevant, but when Obama was running for president I had a sickening amount of students tell me that Obama has "smelly weird skin."
I'd always ask them where they heard that and they would always say from their parents. I'd politely chat with the parents when they came to pick them up, not in an accusing way but just in a "your child is repeating what you say" way.
They always acted shocked and confused and apologized profusely. Being a black teacher in the South has been interesting.
Edit: this is a strange website.
Edit 2: thanks for the gold. And for the skeptical I did not say that the children or parents were racist. I simply heard the children making statements that perhaps did not foster a positive learning environment, and notified the parents that the children perhaps needed a lesson about appropriateness. I apologize for my grammar mistakes, and I'm sorry that they seem to distract from my simple answer. Race in America is a heavy topic, all I did was mention one of my experiences.
[deleted] ยท 5076 points ยท Posted at 15:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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lola_fox ยท 1314 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was working in an Exceptional student center once when I had a student walk up to me and punch me, no provocation at all. This was common behavior for the child, along with cursing and outbursts of rage. and he'd go back and forth to being very polite and doing his work. The ESE specialist asked him where he learned these words/behavior and he said "my dad".
it really makes you think how influential parental actions are.
Had a kindergartner once tell a classmate he was going to bring a gun to school and shoot me. When asked why he said that, he said, "I was just joking like my dad does."
[deleted] ยท 325 points ยท Posted at 16:42:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha when I was in kindergarten I told one of my friends that I would kill her and her family, as a joke. I got sent up to the office for saying that. To this day, I don't know where I got that from, because my parents never joke around or even speak about death like that.
I remember when I was in elementary school I nearly got my grandfather in trouble because I said at school that he "beats me up" at games. I just meant he "beats" me and wins a lot.
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:44:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was about 5 or 6, my mom, her friend ("Mary"), and the friend's friend ("Julie") decided to share carpooling duties to bring the 3 kids to school. One day I casually mentioned to my mom that Julie drinks and drives on the way to bringing us to school. My mom panicked because she really didn't know Julie and was relying on Mary's friendship with her to prove she was a responsible person.
My mom felt considerably better when I followed up with "Yeah, every day, she drinks a mug of coffee while driving us to school."
(In fairness, they never really specific what "Don't Drink and Drive" means on the commercials!)
Oh man, I remember telling my teacher the same thing about my mom when I was in elementary school. She would also drink coffee on the way to drop me off at school. Kids are very literal.
Reminded of Helga's mom from Hey Arnold and her "smoothies"
xTRS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember getting picked up from school and having to ask my mom "Is that regular water?" before taking a sip. Sometimes it was scotch and water, but she'd bring a juice pack or something for me.
Even in hindsight, I'm not too concerned. She wasn't drunk, she never had a problem. Most likely she made herself a drink after work and just brought it with her to sip instead of leaving it to melt or chugging it all at once.
I one said to my kindergarten teacher my mom drives a racecar, without clarification. I thought that was the case cause it has that aerodynamic fin thing on the back.
Aerodynamics come into player at much slower speeds than you'd think. Certainly at highway speeds they play quite a big part in fuel efficiency etc. You'd actually use measurably less fuel if you ripped your spoiler off in most cases.
What I meant is that it's more or less a decoration, unless it's properly installed and you regularly drive in excess of 100 km/h.
Edit: it may have negative effects sooner then you would see any positive effects, but the spoiler on your daily driver is to make it sporty and pretty much nothing more.
h4rpur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100km/hr is only 62 though... I think almost everyone regularly drives faster than 100kph
Then almost everyone should constantly be getting ticketed. Where I live in Canada the speed limit is usually 50-60 km/h. On certain parts of the highway it could be up to 100. Speeding is naturally going to happen, but it's not usually going to be twice the speed limit.
h4rpur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here in Arizona highway speed limit is 75 mph. That's 120kph.
Speed of traffic is often 85mph.
I think this why we hate snowbirds from Canada so much.
Yeah, snow birds are usually old people... many of which drive slower than our speed limits. The trans canada highway in my area is 90km/h, but you'll definitely see people flying past you like your standing still. This guy goes past my old house.
My friend's toddler says I drive a race car as well, because the design is a lot more aerodynamic than his parents compact car. When I watch him for her sometimes, I get to say c'mon lets go for a ride in the race car!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The gear head kids at my high school made spoilers for their shitty 15-20 year old buicks/cadellaics
Dog-boy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:29:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When a friend of mine was about 6 the police showed up at his door to speak to his parents. Apparently they'd been called because G was telling people at school that his cousin was on drugs. Some kid had repeated this at home and the parents called the police. They came to the house to check into what he was saying. His parents were horrified and asked why he was saying that. His response was, "She must be because no one could be that stupid if they weren't." Just to be clear his cousin was about 7 at the time.
One time when I was little (like five or something), police came to our school to talk about drugs and stuff, and apparently in their presentation they said "Cigarettes are just as bad as drugs," so me being a child was like "Oh my mom does drugs," which I proceeded to tell them. My poor mother had to go into the school and defend herself and explain that she just smoked cigarettes. Luckily nothing else came of it.
closest ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:08:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably television. In America there is a lot of violence on TV, so you could've picked it up from the news or absentmindedly from a crime show/doc special.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:23:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once a classmate called me a sandwich killer during lunch as I was eating a sandwich, naturally since he was eating a cereal bar I called him a cereal killer. Later that day I was taken aside by a teacher who said a fellow classmate overheard our conversation and was "afraid"... my teacher looked at me and said she never expected that kind of behaviour from me. I tried to explain my logic about him calling me a sandwich killer and him eating a cereal bar etc, but she wouldn't hear it. So I got detention for the first time and my only guess to why was that 1. Girls can't call someone a killer but boys can. 2. Cereal was superior and can't be insulted. A few years later I finally learned what a serial killer was and understood. Legit didn't even have the word in my vocabulary. Just cereal.
When I was in high school it was around the time that that the Columbine shooting happened. Prior to that I wore a black duster to school (I was an emo teen who watched wrestling) and was forced to stop wearing my "trench coat" because so many students were afraid.
Not long after that I started to get bullied everyday so one day I told a friend that bullies like this are why things like Columbine happen and found myself in the office sitting across from a girl who was my friend bawling because I "threatened to shoot up the school"
If I were a kid who was caught doing something I shouldn't be doing, you know what I'd do? I'd shift the blame onto someone else.
MHM5035 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:56:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but shifting blame to dad isn't something that usually happens as a way out. That's shifting blame to sibling/other student/misinformation. "Where did you learn that?" "Dad." is gonna be pretty legit.
Yeah usually as a kid you want to avoid your parents finding out. That means blaming everything on anybody else.
Though it's a bit more of a wild card with age I think. Teenagers are a bit better at thinking strategically and they may try some crazier stuff.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:12:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does exceptional refer to those who are unable to perform in a standard classroom setting without extensive extra help? Because the name would imply the opposite.
KebNes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I did paraeducation for a grade school, there was the little girl who struggled big time with her reading and refused to learn. I asked why and she told me her mom said she was too pretty to read. I told the teacher who asked her mom.
"She will marry rich, it is her only chance. She's dumb as a brick." Is what the mom said.
agentma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How old was she?
KebNes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is extremely influential. My ex is/was abusive to everyone in his life. His youngest son, who is 8, is a lovely boy but he has started imitating his fathers behaviour. Just like his dad - He hits things and doesn't understand why he shouldn't. He yells and screams when he is frustrated, like his dad. He says disrespectful things to women because he hears his dad do it ("jokingly").
He literally sees his father as infallible and although he is abused physically and emotionally often, he copies the behaviour because that is the role model he has.
When you said exceptional student I had hope that maybe you meant smart kids were getting individual, challenging help.
Turns out, nope.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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lola_fox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:44:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Florida public school, ESE or Exceptional Student Education is for students with intellectual, physical or emotional disabilities. For as long as I've been in public school and work in public school, students with disabilities have been referred to as such. There are further classifications for disabilities, but ESE is the broad term.
Do public schools in other states just use "Education for students with disabilities"?
I know a couple who both curse like sailors. They have their entire lives, and are now having to figure out how to reverse the habit because their kid is 3 and is repeating everything they say. Their arguments about it are hilarious.
"She just said 'fuck', you need to watch your mouth."
"It wasn't me, watch your own fucking mouth."
"Well it sure as shit wasn't me either!"
[deleted] ยท 261 points ยท Posted at 16:13:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
taboo words are also useful for suppressing pain; that's why we have an instinct to swear vociferously when we slam our thumb with a hammer. How taboo the word is to you is correlated to how much a pain relief effect you get. People who habitually swear feel nothing when doing so and get very little effect. People who never swear because it is a strong taboo for them get a much stronger effect. So my advice to parents is to make swearing taboo for your children, so that when they hurt themselves and cuss out a blue streak they'll get maximum pain relief effect.
But fucking swear words have already been fucking overused by now that they've fucking lost their fucking meaning anyway. No fucking one is gonna make a big fucking deal if they hear a fucking person say "fuck" these fucking days.
It depends on the person doing the swearing, actually. I don't swear much verbally(never really got in the habit, as I didn't have many face to face friends and my parents would have kicked my ass), so if walk to to somebody I know and say "that guy is making me so fucking mad!" they know something's seriously up. With most people, that phrase might just mean "that guy's being annoying," but with me it carries more weight because I don't usually curse out loud.
Unless I hurt myself, then you bet I'm going to swear up a storm. Hey, it's science!
silian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a guy who curses a shit-ton, when I'm really serious about being pissed off or whatever you can tell because I will string quite a few curses together in a barely sensible manner. Like instead of what you said it's something like "That little shit-sucking bottom-feeding bilge-licking failed abortion mongoloid makes me want to skin him and make him into a belt" or somesuch. Regardless I'm pretty capable of getting my point across I think.
aerger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what I tell kids when we run into it. Swear words are powerful words, not bad words. If you use them too much they lose that, so use them only carefully and appropriately.
I then go home and curse wildly at video games. Carefully and appropriately.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would we express pain if "fuck" was the same as "doorknob" or "pick?"
VIIIMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amen to that. My kids know that if daddy is using cuss words, things have gotten serious.
But they are so over used when instead they should be used like salt. A little here and there but you wouldn't want to use too much or else you will spoil the meal. There's thousands of words to choose from to add emphasis yet people choose to use curse words. Makes reading and listening to some people pretty boring and expected when every few words they use the same word for emphasis.
harmsc12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crapbaskets.
KB_112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' A.
Jogsta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not you dumb idiot stupid butt hole ass hole head dumbass
asifnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tuura032 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. You can make a strong impression with a single word if you know more words. Curse words enable people to become lazy with their vocabulary.
Plus, having curse words that can be used for insults can, in a way, keep people from having their feelings hurt too badly. "FUCK YOU!" is ultimately a lot less hurtful than targeting someone's specific situation and characteristics.
Not to mention that they create a simple and easy to work with outlet for children to test the boundaries in their communication.
Curse words help us to teach children that there are some things that shouldn't be said, without having to wait for their other concept to develop to the point at which they can comprehend ideas like cruelty.
If you teach a child not to say "Shit" it's much easier for them to understand that it's unkind to tell homeless people they smell bad, or cancer patients that their bald heads look creepy as well.
lobehold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Swearing is easy though, it's not swearing that takes balls.
I don't agree. It is all about context. Someone asking you intensely and very politely whilst holding a weapon is far worse than someone giggling and saying "Fuck".
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:55:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just mention one scenario, and act like it's true for every scenario, lmao, wtf?
Well your opinion is shit and you're wrong. It's vocal tone that seperates cussing from using "bad words", because tone can twist the intent behind using any word.
Those words you were talking about, only hold power because you associate them with a certain tone when used; if you don't use that tone, the brain of the recipient will be less likely to automatically go into defense mode when processing specific words.
I don't expect a rational reply either, because I started with an aggressive tone.
Asarath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. There have been studies which suggest swear words are stored in a seperate part of the brain to regular vocabulary (evidence includes these words being the first to return after brain damage causes a loss of language), and that swear words actually help inhibit pain when used compared to regular words (there's a lovely demonstration of this on the Fry's Planet Word documentary). It's not all tone- the semantic connotations assigned to swear words are very different from those assigned to the rest of the words in our language, and have effects outside of just threatening. They cannot be replaced by tone alone.
Ok, you still haven't made a good argument as to why "cuss" words should remain taboo.
Is it ok for some people to use them, and yet not others? Who determines when or when not it's appropriate to use a word? Why try to censor a person from using every tool in their vocabulary in order to convey their thoughts?
And even if they are stored in a different area of the brain, how do you know they can't be replaced by novel combinations of words, which could hold much more power? I would very much imagine our brains automatically categorize language based on the reception of others, why stand in the way of natural linguistic evolution?
I honestly believe it boils down to power, and the only reason why people like you stand in the way of changing semantics, is because you still want to play by old, obsolete rules.
Asarath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the reason "cuss" words have that power is from the social taboo that is semantically coded into them.
Even if we replaced our current swear words with new combinations, they would just become the new swear words with all the same taboos. It happens all the time as languages change. For example, in England, "bloody" used to be incredibly taboo, now it's barely a curse word. In the future new swear words will replace the old ones, as they have always done historically.
I highly recommend watching the episode of the documentary series Fry's Planet Word called "Uses and Abuses", as it gives a fantastic overview of the topic and some real insight into humans and swearing.
Anyone with a modicum of eloquence can do far more damage with a string of specific language, aimed at something(or someone) unpleasant, than anyone can do with words that only have shock value.
Asarath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah see, when you initially mentioned tone I thought you might actually be interested in the linguistics surrounding humans and taboo language, but I see now you're only interested in finding a way to think yourself superior to others.
Regardless, I still recommend the documentary I mentioned in my previous comment, and I hope you enjoy crafting new and eloquent phrases every time you stub your toe :)
Superior? No, I just believe that certain words are likely to be categorized differently, depending on the person's background. And that every person should have the power to use their entire vocabulary freely without neurotic restraints.
So hell, even if certain words naturally evolve to land themselves in the land of taboos, there shouldn't be "rules" on what words we can and can't say, a person's vocabulary should evolve naturally depending on their contexts. Trying to impose vocabulary rules on your children, and other human beings, is a futile and oppressive endeavor. I've met parents who discipline their children for saying something as little as "stupid", it's fucking unequivocally ABSURD.
Then new words will be made that will be perceived as "worse" and they will be the new "swear words". We didn't designate words to be worse than others that's just how language and culture work.
I've watched this happen even in my lifetime. I remember some movie in the '90s where a kid said "sucks" and got scolded, and this was pretty common at the time. Now it's weird to think that anyone ever considered that bad language, even though the implication makes it obvious it's supposed to be vulgar or shocking. Same with crap, I would have gotten grounded by my parents if I said that word when I was 5 and now it's part of my Mormon mother's regular vocabulary.
An interesting thing about "sucks," especially, is that I don't think children understand the implication until a very late age. They know that "fuck" and "ass" mean something naughty, but I don't think many kids know what they're saying when they say something "sucks," it's just an expression of negativity.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, they definitely don't know the sexual aspect of it but I hear my sister (6 yo) say that stuff "sucks butthole".
r3gnr8r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think "sucks" has just begun to lose it's original meaning, like many other swear words. Sure it got it's original negative connotation from the sexual aspect of it, but overtime the original meaning loses it's importance so long as it's still understood as something generally negative.
When I was a kid, "fart" was taboo. Now health professionals use it.
Velkyn01 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine people would be like, "Well, now that everyone says 'cunt' all the time, we need to invent something worse." Like, who gets to make that call?
Dropkick, Seppo, Bludger and as I learned recently, apparently Fuckwit are all Australian slurs, but we'll use them in a friendly manner as well. Context is key. If we want to be insulting, we're much more likely to get a bit personal and a bit creative. Being a pack of racist wallabies, we also have a run of racial slurs, which don't have the same friendly undertones in most usage, but context again is key.
Must be fun reading the Quidditch sections of Harry Potter
mginatl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Society as a whole does. How does any societal norm come into being? Enough people agree on something, it becomes part of life. That's the basis for the entirety of language, dictionaries don't define words, they define how we use words because society itself defines words.
Velkyn01 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't picture someone making up a new word. I understand words getting new meanings. Lit, fam, sus, whatever. But someone being like, "Flarp. That's the new worst word." That doesn't seem real to me.
r3gnr8r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree completely. When you think about it, if somebody says, "heck," they mean, "hell." And when someone says, "darn," they mean, "damn." So when you think about it, people curse plenty often.
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seifer93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when they say "bless your soul" they mean "you're a damn retard." It's just an indirect way of saying things. It's the difference between, "John ran as fast as his legs would carry him," and "John sprinted." They essentially mean the same thing, but they have different impact. From a creative standpoint, I think it's great.
The difference with cussing is that it gets its impact because it's taboo, so declassifying it would make it essentially worthless as an insult. If "cunt" was a normal word, we could probably still make the assumption that someone using the word isn't happy, but we couldn't tell the degree of anger.
Grim99CV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. Also, if a kid can learn to psychologically torment or belittle someone rather than merely cussing the person out, it's much more effective and powerful.
It's not really the words that are the problem... it's the sentiment behind them and the lack of respect shown when people/kids are usually using them.
That's like trying to eliminate concept of "beauty" in order to teach students that beauty comes in all shapes and sizes. As long as humans are subjective creatures, there will always be standards, and something else will fill the void as soon as you try to remove its current definition. It's not like we invented what defines "cursing". It's the other way around in fact - through usage and our need & impulse to express certain emotion, we designate certain words to fill that need.
Better solution is to teach your kids what the curse words mean, how it affects those on the other end and may hurt feelings, and accept that you can't stop kids from imitating and that it's a form of learning. Hopefully, with the right upbringing, they'll learn to use them only when appropriate. After all, the objective is to teach kids not to verbally hurt others' feelings, with or without curse words; not to find loopholes around cursing and to find more creative, sophisticated ways of insulting others.
Pacify_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are right, the entire concept of swear words is so antiquidated
I wasn't permitted to curse growing up, and my parents didn't curse in my presence to encourage this. At this point it's just a habit and I've found it useful, since I have indeed been forced to express myself more creatively. It also means that on the rare occasions I have cursed it's gotten a much more forceful reaction since my friends don't expect it.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that curses are not much of a problem but maybe six year old kids shouldn't use in a classroom? I have a student that age and she loves to say shit and when I tell her is not cool to say it, she tells me ''Its just what we do in the bathroom!''. Well yeah it is Luna but you shouldn't use to talk about your homework.
That's what what my dad did. He said words are words. Nothing special about curse words. My current view is it's all in the intention behind the word. My freinds and I say swear words a lot but never mean it. But if I called someone a whale with the intent to offend, I'd be an asshole and very offensive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Truthfully though, my kid got busted for calling himself a dick. He could've very well have gotten that from me, though I don't cuss much in general. Thing is, he's never cussed in front of me so I never got the chance to correct that. I think it's always a mini revelation when parents find proof that their kids act differently when they aren't around.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents didn't really care if I cursed. They cared when I said things with malicious intent.
My mother for example is alright with me calling her a bitch (well, the equivalent in my language though not really. It's more like calling her a vagina I guess. It can also mean a specific type of hat) to which she'll respond by calling me something else, but not if I call her a fucking useless bitch. It's all in the tone and intent.
"Do as I say not as I do" I present to them as my own weakness. Do better than dad. Dad shouldn't swear as much. Long explanation that it's only words but words have power to hurt peoples feelings needlessly (words like retard, ugly, fat...) etc. I think they can resolve the hypocrisy better this way. (Like if I stabbed myself with a screw driver and yelled calling it a fat FUCKING retarded POS...)
broff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Now, helps us find the katana he brought to show and tell"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always tell my kids to be honest and respectful.
Mommy you said we could go to the beach today
FUCK YOU YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT. GIVE ME A GOD DAMN MOMENT TO MYSELF
"I've raised my little boy in a perfect loving environment, and any fucker who says otherwise is a God damn liar!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Sausage Party. I heard that a lot of parents brought their child to the movie where I'm from. Animated does NOT mean PG. Gosh...
Qweniden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One time I was listening to the Joe Rogan Experience in my car while shuttling my kids around and my 6 year old asked me to turn it off because the swearing was making her uncomfortable. It might be because the only time she has really heard swearing is when I am super angry.
We swear like crazy around our kid and listen to music that has bad language. She knows that that's the kind of language that she can't use. It's about setting limits not limiting exposure. However, we wouldn't let her watch dead pool, but because of the violence not the language.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've posted about that exact topic before when the movie had just come out, and it was shocking to see the amount of parents who defended to the death how it's perfectly fine to bring their kids to Deadpool, and other similar movies.
choomguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got news for you. Never cursed around my kids, they started getting colorful language on the bus. The wheels may go round and round, but the language gets a lot more spicy.
Devil's advocate: kids pick stuff up from other kids almost instantly. Our 3 year old had never said the word 'bored' in her life. One of her little friends came over for a playdate and we had her older (8 year old) brother too. They were watching My Little Pony or something and he said "This is boring!!" just once.
The next day she's getting annoyed at the TV as I was about to switch to her show "This is BORING!"
She got that from one single interaction. And this story repeats hundreds of times with her coming back from nursery with innumerable little things she's obviously taken from her peer group or even teachers.
The idea that any time they say something aggressive or worrying it HAS to be from the parents--I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
Another thing I believe (that I didn't before I had kids) is that many boys (and the occasional girl) love shooting and hitting things almost innately. I know the little boy down the road with the most progressive parents imaginable (think Vegans who read parenting books for fun and vote based on green issues) was clenching his fist and shouting in other kids faces constantly for about two years and every time they would patiently try to talk to him about hwo that makes other kids feel blah blah blah
He def wasn't getting that cause he comes from an aggressive ousehold orw hatever. In my view he was just a typical boy maybe in the upper 20% of testosterone or something. Nice kid generally.
What's wrong with taking the opposite view and making some points? It's not that I don't believe the points I made, it's that I haven't personally decided either way. I go back and forth in my mind. I think it's likely somewhere in the middle but wanted to throw an alternate viewpoint your way to add to the discussion.
nothing wrong with taking an opposite view, I just hate when people say the "devils advocate" bullshit, like their opinion is sooo special and unique. So I didn't really have a problem with your view in fact I kind of agree with you.
Ah, okay, that's cool! :) I always thought it was a normal expression to mean to defend the unpopular opinion, but maybe people are using it too frequently now and it has become a pretentious cliche or something? I will watch out for that :)
Except my parents cursed allllll the time, and let me watch many things I probably shouldn't have. Instead of sheltering me from things, they acted normal and just explained to me why I myself shouldn't say those things at school. Cursing doesn't make you a bad parent. Being a bad parent makes you a bad parent. I never cursed in school or got in trouble for anything I learned from my parents.
Frapplo ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 16:06:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I like about their strategy is the ambiguity.
The parents know the kid said something, but what was it? How bad was it?! Oh, God...does everyone know I'm a bigot?!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a distinct memory of when I was about 7 or 8 years old. I was at a friend's house and that friend's older brother had two of his friends over and one of them left a water bottle on the porch. I saw it, and being all indignant about litter, said "That's the problem with black people, they leave trash all over the place."
I still cringe every time I think about it. Where the fuck did I pick that up? (over a quarter of my family was black, including my dad)
To be fair, my boy comes home from school with some interesting phrases. He says Trump should win the election, but our household is most certainly not supporting him.
My brother actually almost got suspended in kindergarten because he asked his friends if they wanted to be a gang. Yeah, my parents were freaking out, turned out Bernstein bears had a group of kids that called themselves a gang...
I mean, if you're a parent, why wouldn't your kid think you were the smartest person on Earth? I mean, look at you: You operate the car, and you're amazing at hide and seek, even when they use their foolproof hiding spot behind the window curtains. I mean, those could be anybody's feet under the curtains! It's a chess game, whose feet are those? Who knows?! It's perfect!
Plus, you're allowed to use the goddamn toaster! The licensing process for that must be maddening.
My brother would say, "Do drugs they're cool," while standing in line at the grocery store, when he was like 3.
And he'd cringe like he was about to get hit when my parents would reach for some pop tarts or something on the shelf to give off the impression that my parents hit us regularly.
These things didn't come from my parents. They were aimed at making me laugh. He'd come up with it on his own.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kurburux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now try to imagine you live in a dictatorship and your small kid will openly repeat anything you said to your partner.
This scene of The Lives of Others is an example to this. If you don't know the movie: The man is working for the Stasi.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, as a parent your kids will come home and say all kinds of weird shit. 90% it comes from other kids. So it's really just a subset of parents saying inappropriate things to their kids. From there it spreads like a virus via the kid network.
My four year old niece told my nephew to "eat your fucking meatball" a while back. My sister texts me that she's not sure if she should be upset at the use of the word or happy that her grammar was correct in its usage.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parents need to understand that children don't really have opinions; sure they can tell you what they like and don't like, but if their parents say something (especially if it's about something they don't know a lot about) then they are going to repeat it.
Zarokima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...or it could be from that crazy racist uncle/grandpa/whatever that acts fine around you but then teaches (intentionally or otherwise) the kid how to swear and shit. My grandpa taught me to yell "You damn guineas get off my lawn!" whenever the Italian kids were around, and my parents were very unhappy about it for more than one reason.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my students were cursing because of his grandpa and his mom also thought it was bad but did nothing to stop. Parents/guardians/relatives most of the times see what kids are repeating but brush it off.
Sometimes kids really do just say weird stuff. When I was in first grade, a lesbian couple lived next door. I heard my parents mention it, but I had no clue what a lesbian was. Anyways, one day I see one of my neighbors outside and tell her "My parents don't like lesbians". I don't know why I said it, but I was six so I don't know why I did lots of stuff. They apparently confronted my mom about it and she was pretty horrified. She still brings it up every few years. I think I scarred her for life.
I've also worked as an elementary and kindergarten teacher, so I know kids repeat stuff from their parents, but kids aren't always the most reliable chroniclers of history either.
To be fair, there are other places kids can pick these things up besides their parents.TV. The internet. Extended family. Coaches. Friends and their parents.
My 2 year old will say "yes" if you ask them if they remember seeing the flying panda deliver a pizza to the next door neighbors. My five year old will agree because she thinks it's a funny story and will tell anyone that is willing to listen about that story for weeks... That's what kids do.
We're the jerks that imagine hateful motivations beyond what is truly innocent child-like silliness.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You are comparing a flying panda delivering pizza (which is awesome) to a probably racist sentence?
No. I'm saying that only lame adults would take something silly that a child says and assume that the child's parents must be racist instead of assuming that children say silly things.
Anyone who has children or is a teacher should be so well aware of this phenomenon that it's about as obvious as "the sky is blue."
agentma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teachers don't talk to the parents if they think what was said is silly.
Source: I am a teacher.
You must be a woefully inexperienced teacher if you would be so eager to assume a classroom full of two year olds and their parents are racist because you heard them say the president smells.
What a joke.
Source: Have kids. Spouse is teacher. Kids say the darnedest things.
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acruz80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. That's impossible! Who would ever think that shitty, racist things kids say may be parrotted from their shitty, racist parents? I mean, seriously. /s
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acruz80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kind that have no fear of repercussion due to the fact that blatant racism is accepted, and oftentimes encouraged.
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acruz80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you haven't heard Alex Jones speak about Hillary and Obama then. Although I would agree he's more of a child than most.
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agentma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But most times in a classroom you can see that happening. I know lil John does that kind of thing and if I see Janey doing too, I can see why. But if Ben said something which no classmates are also doing there's a high chance it comes from the household (not only parents).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! Yes, the kids must have heard that from one of the other kids at school....
When I was little I used to secretly watch south park and funny videos on newgrounds.com without my parents knowing. I'm sure I went to school and repeated some of that stuff to my friends. So it's not always what they hear from their parents.
Can someone PLEASE tell me what the hell is up with this? I moved to the south recently and someone I met here told me she couldn't date a black guy because all black people "smell weird". I had ZERO idea what she meant.
Edit: this is a strange website.
dtracers ยท 1697 points ยท Posted at 16:14:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White ppl and black ppl smell very different when sweaty. (there is science behind that). If you are not commonly around black ppl when they sweat then their smell will be very obvious to you.
It's actually the same thing in the opposite case. If you are never around white ppl then they will smell weird too.
It's not even about sweat, it's also about what people's homes smell like. People of different cultural backgrounds have vastly different smelling homes, due to preference in pot pourri, what they cook, and other things. I do notice "black person smells," but it goes much deeper than that. It's not just black people, it's any group of person you're not around a lot. You'll notice the way black people smell the most if they're the group of people you're around the least. But asians' houses smell different, as do Mexicans' houses and all different types of white peoples' houses, it's everyone. I still can't get used to the smell of my girlfriend's house, and she's the same ethnicity as I am.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:15:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My house I bought two years ago smells like a cheap motel when I get home every day and walk in. I love it. I'm white although I don't think that matters in this case.
People are jumping to conclusions. Not all ethnic and racial differences are based on genes.
I've noticed that when I eat smelly Indian spices, I can actually smell it in my armpits for the next few days.
I've also noticed that Asian people's houses smell the best to me. Indians' smell the worst.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell too, but more when I'm eating too much salt or all carbohydrates. If I work out, my clothes are disgusting and have to be washed immediately. If I eat a lot of salads and vegetables, I don't have that issue and can put my dirty gym clothes in the hamper. On spices, I generally only notice it if I have too much garlic. My boyfriend will complain for days that I have garlic smell.
On the other hand, I wonder if people of the same families all have their own smell, much like how animals can pick out who their children are by smell. I think if I had to do a blind sniff test I could at a minimum pick out my boyfriend over others.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:38:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are spot on. I have dated girls from many kinds of ethnicity and the same was true of every home.
Random side note. I like how Asians smell the best.
I used to tutor teenagers from western Africa and they always had a distinct smell, even kids from different families. I eventually learned it was the cheap cooking oil they used in all their apartments - stuff gets into your hair and lingers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a legitimately interesting observation, very cool.
Bahamute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's still about sweat. The other things you mentioned just also play into it.
ElMorono ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:29 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excellet points. My fiance's old landlords were from Nepal. She'd always come over smelling like curry. Thankfully, I like south Asian food, so I didn't mind.
rwwman50 ยท 878 points ยท Posted at 16:25:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wrestled and played football in a very mixed high school. About 35% white, 40% black, rest was mix of Hispanic, Indian, and Asian. Can confirm, black people smell weird, but have been told white people's hair smells weird but I don't notice it. I think it has a lot to do with products we use though. Way more black people use lotion and/or baby powder and whit people tend to use more scented body washes and things so I wonder if that's some of it.
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 16:38:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wrestled in high school and I can't speak for all wrestlers but I would have to go with a no. Staph infection is a very real issue and not showering would probably increase ones chances of getting it.
rwwman50 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:44:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not uncommon for someone's face to end up in a sweaty armpit, but I never knew anybody who intentionally made themselves smell nasty to gain an advantage. On the other hand, I wasn't a very good wrestler so maybe I just didn't brush shoulders with enough elite competition. I only continued playing football in college and we encouraged teammates who didn't like to shower to do so. No idea what college wrestlers do. Those guys are kind of crazy though so it wouldn't shock me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a wrestling coach who told a story from when he was in college. He said he didn't shower for a week leading up to a match with some guy he had never beaten. During the match he says that he threw the other guy in a headlock and held him in his stench before pinning him. I'm like 80% sure the story is exaggerated or a complete lie, but I've heard him recite it multiple times.
In high school one guy on my team would eat really garlicky meals before meets for this reason. Who knows if it actually helped though, he was really technically skilled so he did well anyway.
I forget which compound it is in there, but one of the ones responsible for the smell is actually excreted from your skin as a gas, which is why you can always tell if someone has had garlic recently.
Kingbuji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i knew a guy that would pee on his jersey so the DL linemen wouldn't touch him. The school put a stop to that with a quickness.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:07:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not only what the others are saying but you have an inspection where they check your skin for sores, your nails for length, and your face for stubble. I'd wager a ref would require a shower if you were obviously nasty.
I've never seen it used in what I perceived to be intentional in that regard. But, yeah. The smell CAN and DOES have an impact.
Wurm42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pre-emptive tl;dr: It's not the wrestler, it's the equipment.
As others have already noted, any responsible wrestling coach worries about staph infections and other skin diseases, and makes sure their team showers properly.
However (in my experience), it's a different story with wrestling singlets. They're a pain to wash and take a long time to dry (similar problems with headgear and shoes), so by the end of a tournament, everybody's uniform stinks.
Wrestling mats are also an issue-- lots of sweaty people getting pressed into them in quick succession during a meet; but (again, in my experience), that's getting better now due to concerns about staph infections.
gladbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever gone within a hundred yards of a high-school wrestling practice area you'd know it's probably the worst smelling place you've ever been to... They are probably desensitized to anything an armpit can throw at them to be honest...
Didn't have a lot of black people where I grew up, but for a couple (4th and 5th) years, my best friend was a black kid named Timothy. I thought he smelled amazing. He said it was cocoa butter.
Kingbuji ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:21:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it is cocoa butter. That like the de facto black people lotion.
It should honestly be the de facto lotion for more people. I (a white guy) started using cocoa butter lotion a while ago and I hate standard "white" (the color, not the skin color) lotion now. Obviously the smell is better, but it feels a lot less greasy than the "white" lotion.
And the diet is so different in all of those cultures.
leAlexc ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:44:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been told white people smell like wet dogs
Lafftar ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:31:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've wrestled with white people, lol i don't think they smell like dogs. I don't even know what the smell is like, I know y'all smell different but I never even thought of what it was :/
I don't think it's milk either, and i've never smelled hot dog water either.
Kendo16 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:51:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been told they smell like that when their hair is wet.
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kaenneth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
by Asians?
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:39:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm South Asian and yes that's what some White people smell like to me when they're sweaty. Not all but many.
Sour milk and like, bad dairy.
They often told me my house and myself smells like curry. However since living alone I don't eat Desi food as much, and I've not had people make that comment about smell since then.
I think it comes down to diet.
assflea ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this, and also that white people smell like hot dog water.
And cultural food differences. Some vary more than others. For instance, Indians in my experience have one of the most pungent odors mostly due to their foods of choice.
nazilaks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:10:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People from india give off a cumin spice like smell in my experience, i have heard white people smell more like milk or cheese.
My best friend from age 4 until around 12 was black and jewish. My friend always smelled like coconut. It was just another fact to me as a kid, "Bobby" had brown skin, didn't celebrate christmas and smelled like coconut. Four year old me (1977-ish) was upset that Bobby not only had cool skin and special holidays, but also smelled like coconut. His mom then showed me the coconut oil moisturizer they used... Kid brains are weird. Once the first kid from India moved into the neighborhood did I realize that not all smells are due to moisturizer. He and his house always smelled like Indian food. As a kid, that was weird... as a teenager it was awesome, his mom cooked some amazing foods.
Also what kinds of foods you eat on a daily basis. I've noticed it more around asian people than black people, tbh. How we live affects how we smell. Different culture, different smell.
Like the parent to your comment said, there is science behind it. It has little to do with scented products and more to do with biology. There are Koreans who have no armpit smell because of their genetics. I have Chinese friends who must have similar ancestry because they smell identical (one male and one female, both of whom I have shared a bedroom with). I have other Chinese friends who smell similar but not the exact same. I have noticed that my friends with a lot of Italian ancestry smell similar to each other, and different from me and I've noticed that my family members smell the same as myself.
I also have noticed black people smelling quite different than white and Asian people, and more similar to each other, although there is variance. I have yet to gain enough data to try and determine if people from west Africa smell one way and people from east another, but I will try and focus in when hanging with my Senegalese friends versus my Somalian friends.
Of course, there is some variability of body odor with diet and cosmetics/hygiene. My diet is similar to that of an indian, and I also use mustard oil on my body, and I have noticed my smell to have some nuance shared with those of the Indian sub continent.
Sources: discerning nose. Interest in human smells. Diverse friends.
Utaneus ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 20:28:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there is science behind it
Proceeds to ramble on about anecdotal experiences.
I didn't realize how much people notice smell until I was an adult. But I can be very oblivious.
I've never equated the difference to race but this thread has been very eye opening lol. On its face I can see how describing Obama as having smelly weird skin can seem racist but the explanations I've seen made sense.
I actually had a fling with a Mexican girl who didn't like the way White guys smelled so she didn't deal with them.
As a horny, loving mofo, I have learned to enjoy all the smells (barring extensive sweating, I like that mild BO mixed with pleasant, delicate soap/essential oil smell, maybe some food or plant or smoke mixed in) of all the peoples.
I can't say I've personally NEVER noticed smell. My current boyfriend (White) is actually the first person whose smell I actually noticed. It wasn't good or bad. It was just...there. He's also the person I'm fairly sure I'm going to spend the rest of my life with so maybe I have to be in love with you to notice your smell lol
I have definitely notice a small difference between West African, Egyptian, and East African. West Africans have a sweeter smell and East African have a nuttier smell and Egyptian smell like a mix between an Indian person and an East African.
Which now that I think about it, is how some Middle Easterners smell.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an inferiority complex about my nose now. Seriously, how do people notice this stuff? I barely notice my own BO unless I'm sweating or haven't showered.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:52:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preface: (aka read this so you don't think I'm being an ignorant ass) as far as science/forensics, there are three types of hair and skull/skeletal structures, they are caucasoid (white people) negroid (black people) and mongoloid, people of Asian descent. They each have very separate and specific facial bone structures as well as hair shaft shape (this gives the reason why an Asian girl's hair may always lay stick straight while a woman of black descent may have "frizzy" or "kinky" hair.
I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to be it has to do wry sebum the stuff that is excreted from your hair follicles to make them more lubed and less likely to break. I'm sure that to some degree everyone's scalp does this, because it's a normal body function -- anyone who's had stretched ears knows that godawful smell if you don't wash your jewelry regularly? That's sebum too! Just in a much larger quality. So the same stuff that makes white people's hair look oily or greasy when dirty is the same stuff, usually much lower in quantity. Maybe African or Asian descendants don't produce as much sebum? Or, it could be the way they take care of their hair that's different, that I can't say.
closest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a question that isn't on topic but sort of relevant. If humans fall into three groups you mentioned above, which group do mestizo Latino/Hispanic people fall into?
I know that white Hispanics with lighter features are considered caucasoid, black Hispanics descended from slaves are negroid, and that makes the term Hispanic/Latino more of a cultural/ethnicity than a race. But what about people who are considered more "ethnic" with mixed Spanish and Native American blood? I've honestly haven't come up with a clear answer. I've seen people try to explain that mestizos are mongoloid because of Asian people that crossed the bearing straight thousands of years ago and first settled the land, except to me that isn't apt because it is essentially ignoring their Spanish ancestry and comparing them to current Asians when they separated so long ago; almost as if saying we're all African because we came from Africa when we still separate people. And when I look at government forms, which seems to make thing more official, Hispanics/Latinos are listed as white with a different ethnicity. So does that mean mestizos are considered caucasoid then? But then I've seen here on reddit that when you become a bone marrow donor, they categorize you by race for a match and have separate category for Hispanics/Latinos, so are they essentially their own race then? Or is there more to it where mestizo Hispanics are considered caucasoid with some special genetic diversity? I'm really unsure.
qazw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea Latino/Hispanic would be an ethnicity, not a race. Four races have been socially constructed thus far Asian, Australoid( the native/indigenous people of Australia), Caucasian, and Negro. Non mixed latino would be considered Asian.
closest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Native Americans are considered Asian/mongoloid in the anthropological/scientific sense? What would you consider someone like George Lopez? Biracial mongoloid and Caucasoid?
doom32x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:51:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Native Americans are descended from Asian peoples who trekked either across the Bering land bridge and through the Yukon or hopped down the Pacific coast. Pure descendants would fall under "Mongoloid" but mestizos are whole another ballgame. In practice it really doesn't matter though. Although mestizos do have a head start on the future brown master race that will overtake us palefaces.
closest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I've read that years ago Mexicans/Mexican-Americans were officially just white. What happened is that there was still prejudice against them that couldn't be ignored. Like after public schools were desegregated, schools would put in hispanics/latinos as white students to fill the white quota while not accepting them into schools with lighter white people. Also, though they where white, they'd still be forced to sit in the back of buses with black people. So what hispanics/latinos did was fight to be considered their own category so that they would seek protection as a minority group over the discriminatory practices against them. And while someone might think some might be considered white today, there is still ongoing discrimination that hasn't been resolved that makes them remain a minority group. Such as no protection for the invisible migrant workers that are hired by companies today, I'm not getting at the debate of them being here, I'm talking about how migrant workers with little education can be exploited to work in terrible conditions as a crime against humanity. How are we okay with someone working out in the sun for more than 8 hours a day, with little to no facilities for their health, and being paid less than minimum wage? Again, I'm looking at this from the perspective of how a human is being treated. So I look at how Mexicans, mestizos, Hispanics, Latinos, South Americans, etc. are treated and why they must be considered a minority group, and it makes me ask bigger a question that I probably won't get the answer to; why are they not considered 'white' enough to be treated decently as other white people? And I know there is a bigger question to that, as to why we even discriminate against anyone that is different at all, but I want to minimize the question so that the conversation isn't disregarded as "just the way it is, we can do better."
The simplest answer is the one drop rule. They're mixed, so they're non white.
closest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that isn't completely accurate either. The one drop rule primarily, if not wholly, exists for anyone of African decent. It was a way to classify and discriminate against mulatto people that came from a mixed background where the case was usually a slave master having a child with his slave. While there were people who wrote about categorizing other interracial people, it wasn't as prominent because they were looking to enforce a binary between black and white, and I believe that is because there wasn't many other mixtures going on at the time.
And here's the real kicker; "American Indians" were considered white a one time so that black people couldn't claim it. Then eventually you have the "Pocahontas exception" where in Virginia the one drop rule where people counted as white if they had less than 1/16th Indian blood because settlers had intermarried with native people. Even today we have white people who consider themselves part Native American, who claim to have a native ancestor or evidence of a close Native American relative, yet they aren't considered non-white. And someone might say, "well that's because no one in their immediate family is Native American or they don't practice in the culture, it was so long ago that they mixed it doesn't count." Then what about a Mexican person who only knows that they are of Spanish decent, doesn't claim to be Native American or have any close Native American ancestors, has Spanish surname, speaks Spanish, and only participates in Mexican culture BUT is swarthy with tan skin, dark hair, and brown eyes?
So what's the real answer then? Why aren't white hispanic people "really" white?
closest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still trying to figure out the real answer. I'm asking why swarthy Hispanics aren't considered white, people thought to be white Hispanics are considered white.
A white Hispanic is someone with fair/light features that passes what is thought to be white but was born in a South American country.
While swarthy Hispanics aren't considered white even though they have Spanish European ancestry, distant Native American ancestors, and aren't directly mixed with negroid or current mongoloid relatives. I'm not only asking why they aren't white, I also want to know what they are considered in the anthropological/scientific way. I've gotten a response that said they are mixed mongoloid and Caucasoid, yet they split thousands of years ago from the current mongoloid region and current white people have some Native American ancestry yet they aren't considered mixed in the anthropological sense. And if it's a case of having dark features, then why are Indians from India, Middle Eastern People, and North Africans considered Caucasoid with their dark features? Why is it that South Americans are separated as a race when they aren't completely half Native American or completely European because they've been mixing for a long period of time now? Why not just say Caucasoid when there is evidence of them fitting most in that category in anthropology?
So, we produce the same amount of sebum, but sebum travels more easily down straight hair with a smooth shaft. Many people of African ancestry do not have smooth hair shafts, but more wiry ones, making it more difficult for sebum to coat our hair, which is why we wash it less (we don't need to, imagine if your hair never got oily) and why we have to actively moisturize our hair (because the sebum doesn't do its job). This is why people think that African/African American people can't grow long hair - we most certainly CAN, it just takes a bit of extra effort and care.
Diet could also play a role on how people smell when they sweat.
I'm Filipino and the majority of people here in the Philippines shower everyday. Many even shower twice a day. Because this tropical climate of ours makes you sweat a lot.
One of the most common, you could even say racist thing you hear about Indians is they stink. My high school teacher mention the curry and spices they have in their food leaves a distinct smell when they sweat. Which is why most people would prefer not to sit beside an Indian on the bus or train.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, am eastern European white, we all have a certain smell in our hair. This is regardless of products or whatever because even if the shampoo smell is gone that weird, white person smell is still there. It varies depending on what type of white person you are, but it is always there eon one form or another
Hair & body products are definitely a part of it. I realized a couple years ago that part of what I think of as "black people scent" is a particular hair product that most black people I knew used. A reasonable thought, as to this day I've never known any other race to use that product.
Now that I've met a few more (who don't use that stuff), my idea of it has changed a bit. There's still a different smell, but there's more to it that I can't explain.
GameRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think that baby powder would be something that black people avoid using, considering that the white powder would clash with the color of their skin.
black here, I avoid majority white gyms sometimes because of the smell. I hate to admit it bother me, but it does. I have always attributed it to difference in diet. outside the gym, everyone smells alright except the occasional person of any "race" who simply is dirty.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty black people either smell kinda off or REALLY good. White people either smell like onion BO or like a nice cologne/perfume, but black people either smell a...nonspecific kind of 'off' or like the skincare/hair products they use like cocoa butter. Like I have smelt some black people and the bad smelling ones aren't similar to gross white people smell, but I don't know if I've smelled a white person that smells as good as a good smelling black person
I work delivery and I've noticed something weird. Working class Latino's tend to have really smelly houses. Me and my friend think it might have something to do with diet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is probably the majority of where it comes from. White men associate lotion with being girly while lots of black men use lotion and don't associate it with being girl at all.
I'm sure diet also has an effect as well. I know I'll smell like onions the day after I eat a lot of onions. Same with garlic. And I've heard Asian people think white people smell like soured milk.
It actually has nothing to do with the products. Different races have different scent glands that secrete different scents depending on genetics (race)
I also used to wrestle in HS, wrestled many black dudes(I'm white) there is absolutely a difference in smells, I wouldn't say the smell is better or worse between groups, just different. Both groups probably tend to use different types of personal care products, but there is a clear difference in body odors. I've been told white people can smell like wet dogs, and I agree.I think the stinkiest guy I ever wrestled was a white guy, I still remember that stinky fucker18 years later.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm white- but I use a little baby powder in my hair sometimes. I have really oily hair and baby powder drys it out a bit and makes it look cleaner. It's super annoying when it's only been a day and the top of my head is oily/greasy looking and baby powder is a great quick fix. I prefer dry shampoo but I can't always afford it ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get really greasy hair after 24 hours, similar to you I expect. I wash it everyday it eliminate that. Though it would be better for my hair to not wash it everyday, my hair dresser agrees that it is better to the alternative. Every couple of days I use a very gentle shampoo to give it a break. I guess my question is, why don't you just wash it every day?
Obviously not the person you were asking, but I get very greasy hair quickly also, and I also use dry shampoo religiously instead of washing everyday
Reason? I spend a small fortune to keep my hair dyed red, which washes out quickly. I truly can't afford to wash everyday & keep the haircolor I prefer
Also- my hair is ridiculously long, washing/moisturizing/combing takes forever & I'm fucking lazy. Of course I still want to look/smell nice. Dry shampoo is my favorite hair product
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a very good reason I hadn't thought of! Thanks!
It's not good for your hair to wash it every day. Or at least it's not good for MY hair (I can't speak your hair). If I wash mine every day it gets badly dry and stiff. I wash it every other day instead.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:52:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baby powder keeps your genitals nice and dry.
Kendo16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally don't but,hey someone's gotta use it,right?
It sounds like you're describing the scent of raw Shea butter, which is commonly used by Africans as a skin moisturizer (*from the continent of Africa - I assume you meant exchange students). Its a sweet, earthy, peanut-y smell. Very distinct.
People with tree nut allergies tend to be bothered by raw Shea; the moisturizers usually have a warning on the bottle.
I think they were visiting university delegates. I didn't know they used raw shea butter, but I thought it was because of their diet though I didn't know what they eat. My most of what I knew about African cuisine that time was from Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart and I thought it was because of root crops and peanut oil.
jihiggs ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:33:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the only difference in smell i noticed was a difference in hair care products.
YMic321 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What science are you talking about?
mjk05d ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(there is science behind that)
When you say that it's usually a good idea to post a link to said science.
One day I met a mixed baby who smelled just like my black ex-boyfriend and it clicked that that smell was a "black" smell. It's so weird how distinct it is.
missdui ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:09:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The baby's mother most likely put the same lotion on the baby that your ex used. Black people don't have a distinct smell. Black people use a lot of lotions, cocoa butter, etc to prevent their skin from drying out.
It might have been "genetic", but I've noticed that Indian food makes me smell like some of the more...offensive Indian people I've encountered. It is most certainly a body odor smell, and can be heavily modulated by the environment.
I don't know if black Americans have any habits that promote certain odorous smells, but they do have a slightly lower frequency than whites of the allele that gives Asians little body odor. Basically, white people are a little bit more Asian in this trait.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:31:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea. Had a black friend say white people smell like wet dog...never heard that previously..apparently pretty common thought
Omg this is true. When I first heard this I thought it was the weirdest thing because I grew up with a dog and I never, ever thought I smelled like one (I'm white). Then once after walking outside on a misty, damp day, the wind caught my hair just right and I smelled it. Wet dog. God damn.
I still only smell it in certain circumstances--can't be right after I've showered or used any scented lotions or hair products. Usually when my hair is just slightly damp. It is faint, but it is there.
fezzuk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asian people say white people small like sour milk and cabbage. Think I would rather smell of curry
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cabbage? Are we all carni folk?
daradv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it because white people's hair needs more washing?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea...I just mess with him all the time about it though...apologize for making his car smell like wet dog...or when he was dating someone white I'd always say the apartment smelled like it..
There's a deeper history of black vs white racial tension in western cultures than there is Indian vs other. The equal rights movement was mostly about black people because they were the largest minority. There hasn't been an Asian rights movement of similar proportion. At least that's what I think may be happening, but I'm no sociologist.
Might also have a bit to do with millions of blacks dying on ships on their way here, or being worked to death or killed for trying to escape, or routinely whipped or having their families broken up, or just spending their whole lives working incredibly hard in the hot sun to make their "owners" rich. Indians have their own history of oppression, but it's not intimately woven into the fabric of American society.
A white American might have the experience of noticing a different smell from black folks, and mention it neutrally, as something they've noticed. But others may experience it as something that separates them from black folks and makes it easier to ignore their humanity and pain. So they'd be more likely to say "smell bad" or "weird", rather than just "different".
I really think the Indians smells weird sentiment is due to the food. Indian dishes carry a lot of strong odors. Whether you think it's pleasant or not is a matter of personal preference, but attributing a smell to the food someone eats isn't intrinsically bad. I do acknowledge that it can be used in a hurtful manner.
Can confirm (not Indian culture but Persian culture). We bought a house from a Persian couple. The smell was almost a negative deciding factor. We wondered if it was a personal fragrance choice until we opened the kitchen cabinets and were nearly knocked over.
It was the spices. The spices that they were using were very distinct, and it created a body odor smell in the entire house.
We bought the house, hired professional cleaners, scrubbed the kitchen cabinets (twice), and we're very happy here.
They were a very nice couple. They just had a very different odor than we were used to. And it nearly cost them a house sale.
One time I ate a whole family sized thing of curry. Took a shower and everything, went to bed. My girlfriend said she woke up in the middle of the night due to the smell of curry coming out of my skin.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:18:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Because spices stay on clothes. Like I've stayed in Desi households and aged I've left I've had to wash all my clothes, whether or not they're clean, to get the spice smell out.
It has nothing to do with their skin color. When my girlfriend stays with me for long enough that she had to do laundry she ends up smelling a lot different.
Ok, source? I've seen no research linking race and body odor. Some ethnicities may have more active glands, but that's a question of the power of the odor not some intrinsically different smell based on race.
toocoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I live around both white and black people (I live in Oakland so the population between blacks and white are that they're both equally everywhere) and I never noticed any smell.
Skin doesn't smell because of its "colour", sweat smells differently depending on diet and products you use. People who eat a lot of dairy and beef smell strongly (often this is white people), people who eat a lot of chilli smell strongly (a lot of cultures), as well as garlic, ginger and so on, high fat diets make your sweat smelly (also a lot of cultures) and then it depends on your personal hygiene routines, including what products you buy and so on.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Asian. Everybody else has horrendous body odor.
Hooray for dry ear wax, I guess.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh I never noticed that I noticed that but I noticed it.
Yeah. I knew this instinctively. I've always found black men to have this (to me) weird smell and taste. Asian and white men are almost the same, but there's a minor difference.
dtracers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kierik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White ppl and black ppl smell very different when sweaty. (there is science behind that). If you are not commonly around black ppl when they sweat then their smell will be very obvious to you.
It's actually the same thing in the opposite case. If you are never around white ppl then they will smell weird too.
kinda like overweight people, Italians, and Sicilians smell like salami when they sweat.
Well.. all humans/people from different social and cultural backgrounds smell differently as a group.
So, if you happen to suddenly find yourself in the middle of a group you normally would not be with then you will find their smell is different.
Some people ignorantly interpret "different" as "smelly".
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Physiological reasons mixed with a lot of diet. We've been on a "all races are exactly identical" kick since people were just murdering people for being a different race but the reality is that there are small differences, one of them being smell.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are different kinds of sweat glands. Black people, white people and asian people differ in the number and kind of sweat glands they have, on average. The difference is significant. On average, black people sweat more and smell more strongly. White people sweat and smell almost as much. Asian people sweat the least and have few or no apocrine glands, which are the ones that make you stinky.
Examination of the composition and diversity of external auditory canal microbiota in a small subset of our subject population revealed that the ear microbiota may not be directly correlated with either ethnic group membership or ABCC11 genotype.
Congratulations. You just played yourself.
Edit: I imagine it has much more to do with an individual's microbiom being different from having been raised in a substantially different environment. Brb, seeing if there's been any research on this.
What that sentence is saying is that the bacteria in the ears may not be directly correlated with ethnic group membership. That sentence followed a different sentence that said the chemicals that cause body odor are found in different amounts depending on race.
While no qualitative differences in the type of axillary odorants were observed across ethnic groups, we found that characteristic axillary odorants varied quantitatively with respect to ethnic origin.
I don't think you're going to find a bunch of adoption studies looking into why black people smell different. But the studies I've seen so far(there aren't many) suggest that black people do smell different for some reason.
Right, but your immune system is a huge part of what determines your body odor. When you live with people your immune systems tend to kind of sync up, from being exposed to the same bacteria. You also end up sharing a lot of the same good bacteria which is another factor. I'm sure there would still be some difference based on genetics, but the color of one's skin is a very small part of their entire genetic sequence and it's not really tied to many other factors.
OK? Black people should smell different than white people for whatever reason. You don't really need any kind of scientific evidence of you have a nose.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:33:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually noticed only in high school when I was on the football team in the locker room for the first time.
itsdietz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just when sweaty, it's just a different body smell. It isn't bad necessarily just different. My cousin's are black and I first noticed it when they lived with us. Now that I've been seeing a black girl I notice a lot too.
kf4ypd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And so many black hair/skin products smell like baby powder in a very overpowering way.
kf4ypd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And so many black hair/skin products smell like baby powder in a very overpowering way.
I went to a public school very briefly in middle school, where the majority populous was white and the rest were black.
Half of the white kids never wore deodorant so...ah...a lot of the just smelled like onions after they sweated. This was in the south so you could imagine this was very often.
Okay, now you guys have made me curious about how a mulatto smells. If black people smell one way and white people smell a different way, which way does a mixed race person lean?
I read an advice column where an American soldier was dating a Korean girl. They cared for each other, but the girl would tell the guy, "you smell bad!" The advice columnist said that diet plays a very large part in how we smell. The American probably ate a lot of meat, much more than most Koreans.
White people smell like sour milk. Source: Asian people on the internet told me.
Apparently it's because lactose intolerance is very high among Asians so adults drink very little milk. White people drink more milk, so it's a part of our "smell profile", and Asians pick it up because their noses aren't used to it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is definitely true, as a White person I really do get it when Black people say White folk smell more like wet dogs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone once told me white people smell of beef and milk.
a7neu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a month in Tanzania and I never noticed a "black" smell, even though I took public transit etc. There were some people with BO but I never noticed a special black odor.
dtracers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It could be that black American smells different then black African. Different food, different hygiene products
I remember when my step-brother was little and playing sports, he smelled like complete shit when he sweated. I never smelled anything like it since. We're both white.
Basdad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White people smell like wet chickens, so I've been told, and yes, I am white.
Very true. Some sweat smells a bit like manure to me. 99% of the people I have encountered with this sweat smell are black. When I was little I thought that they just weren't wiping very well. I eventually mentioned it to my mom who told me that it was probably their sweat and that it didn't smell that bad to her. Now it smells more like sweat to me, but it does smell strange.
dtracers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they doing asked enough time with people of other cultures to realize they smell differently. And then further realize that they probably smell weird to those different cultures
Can confirm, I don't spend much time around Indians or Black people, but they certainly have a different odour. Wonder what mine smells like lol. Do asians smell? OMG SKIN COLOUR HAS A SMELL. I want to know them all now.
This explains so much. My roommate in college smelled fine normally but when he had sex with his gf it would reek all down the hallway in our dorm building and I never knew why.
I wrestled in middle school and have gotten the up-close smell of many different wreslters ages 13-15 (all male). Most of my teammates that I practiced with were black. I went to a wrestling camp with all white guys and noticed right away that the white-guy stank smelled different than the black-guy stank. It's a thing, and I don't know the science behind it.
They use different personal care products and sometimes more of them, since, for instance, dry skin is a little more obvious when you're dark. Maybe that's what they mean? Even when I can detect a difference, though, I can't think of a time I found it unpleasant, and I'm pretty sensitive. They people complaining are probably just exaggerating to be bigoted ass holes.
I haven't been around Blacks or Asians enough to know their smells. But Hispanics can get a very particular smell that I'm not fond of, not sure if it's the diet or a particular hygiene problem, but I have noticed it. It's not a bigoted thing when you smell them before you see them. Scratch that, it's not a bigoted thing when only the ones that smell smell and the other ones are fine.
Also I've heard about soldiers having to change diet in the Middle East because the Taliban would be able to smell them. That was a long time ago and from my mother who doesn't do a lot of research but it makes sense to me.
I've definitely found it unpleasant, but I assume those people would still smell bad if they were white, just a different kind of bad.
Teuthex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:08:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I encountered some really fucking disgusting and distinctive odors from black people in high school but it's not something I would have blamed on a biological difference, or something I encountered anywhere near across the board. I figured it was some combination of weird products and poor hygiene. It was enough to make me hold my nose when going for my locker half the time. It's not something I'd thought about until now.
I may have a problem with my black roommate leaving slime trails on everything he touches after lubing his body down with coconut oil for the day, but I've never noticed him smelling at all. It also has to do with diet. To me, some asian households and people smell very unpleasant and it is because of how different their diet is from me. I've also dated a couple of guys at various points who went on meat heavy diets and their skin oil was pretty awful smelling. One guy would drink clamato regularly and that was just bizarre from an olfacotry perspective.
That's part of it, and another big part is food. American black people don't eat all that differently from American whites, on average, though. No hugely different spices, for instance, like you might see in an Indian-American family.
No, some may be the skin care products and such, but it's really the perspiration or body odor that's probably going to have enough of an effect to be fodder for racists. Smell and/or taste a white guy's balls and compare it to a black guy's. To a white person, it can smell a bit...vinegary? It's one thing to claim not to be able to see race, but everyone can smell junk funk.
Not those of us with a weak sense of smell! But seriously I've never been able to smell these differences. I can smell BO but that just smells like BO across the board for me. This is nowhere near the first time others have smelled things that I cannot.
I think that wet dog smell is all in the hair. I went to a mostly white private school up until my last two years of highschool and they smelled like wet dogs when they were really sweaty. My last two years I went to a not so great publicish private school and joined the football team. Most of the guys with long dreads smelled just like wet dogs by the end of practice
Kendo16 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We smell like the spices white people don't use./s
altxatu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's usually a common lotion or hair care product. Like cocoa butter, or something similar.
CBruce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always thought it was the smell of hair products. Never noticed any distinct smell that wasn't associated with an afro.
I did have a black friend once confess that they thought white people smell like wst dogs when we're wet.
This is a legit thing, different people smell differently. There are some theories that each person's natural conception of who smells good and bad is based on detecting a partner with DNA that would optimally complement their own to produce the most genetically competitive offspring.
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 16:15:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coming from someone who is mixed there are a lot of white people who smell like cheese or wet dogs and black people who smell like onions or musty. I don't think one is more worst then the other.
So what I'm ultimately getting from this thread is that pretty much every ethnicity has a different scent based on body chemistry, diet, and hygiene products, and that everybody thinks everyone else smells bad b/c they're not used to it.
My family smells like cheese, dryer lint, and paint all mixed up...kinda fresh and barfy at the same time.
Jeez though, you make an observation on one thing and everyone freaks out. I remember when i was a kid, and i was angry the neighbor kids got icecream and i didnt. Now that i think about it, that entire event didnt really matter, so idk why i made a big fuss about it at the time.
Anyway, i learned that when i was 8. Maybe you can read this comment a few times and learn from it.
shmixel ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:38:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Black" isn't racist at all. Not even a little bit.
It's far worse to say things like "African American", because then you're making assumptions about the person's heritage. And saying "Person of color" just sounds dumb as shit.
Black people are black just like white people are white.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does that logic make any sense again? Or is it some some bullshit made up parameter?
That's not racist, it's describing the imaginary friend. It's not implying or expecting all black people to be friendly, it's talking about a single human.
"Blacks tend to be insert whatever here."
Now we're not being descriptive of a single person, we're painting a large population of people with a very large brush. We're making blanket statements about people based on the color of their skin.
And that's racist.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But "Black people are all evil" isn't racist? I don't get it.
Shall I continue? Since these are all very liberal publications it looks like you've just proven what we've all suspected which is liberals are racist as fuck. So thanks for that.
I get that it is, it's just that "blacks" for some reason sounds worse than "black people". It's like how, even though Jews themselves refer to themselves as Jews, "Jew" sounds kinda derogatory compared to "Jewish people".
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's nice that you feel that way, but it's total horse shit and is just another sly tactic used to subtly hint at someone being racist. It's really not cool. To act like saying "blacks" reduces our perception of their humanity is idiotic when most of us that say it also say "whites". It also completely depends, sometimes I'll use it, sometimes I won't, it's because I don't give a shit about the usage of either.
I'm not trying to say we should or shouldn't use certain terms. I just remember when I was in middle school, one of my best friends was Jewish and our other best friend said something one time about "Jews" sounding bad for some reason. Its just a connotation thing.
The problem is that your world view concedes that black is a negative thing as an immutable fact. I'm not saying you mean it this way, but black people are black. The more you dance around it the more you are unintentionally feeding into the negative connotation.
This is why white doesnt sound negative in almost any context. The end game here is to destigmatize both the word black and blackness, not to delicately avoid the stigma which reinforces it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just based on the past though man and it could be said for the same of any minority that has been oppressed. I see how the word "jew" could be a more harsh term just because you can apply an angry tone much more easily with it, than you seem to be able to with "jewish people". When they were belittled for being "sub-human" people called them "fucking jews", not jewish people. So I get it, I just think to actually alleviate racial stressors in the future it's best not to look too deeply into word play such as that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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shmixel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just suggest 'black people' like you did the first time. You might have seen similar sentiments in things like gay people > the gays, autistic people > the autistics. Feels more like people and less like they're defined by one trait.
Agree 100% with your first point though, that shit's annoying.
it was a disclaimer, like the ones put on historical movies about how the events portrayed are a representation on how the times were, not how the producers think about blacks. retard.
When I was a kid and finally went to elementary school with some black kids I noticed immediately their skin smelled funny. Not like bad, but it kinda reminded me of the way the vinyl upholstery smells inside a car on a hot sunny day. Just kinda oily sensation.
I have a job where I get very close to people's scalps. There is a distinct smell of the hair of black people. I always assumed it was due to hair products but I have no idea. Not really something I'd be comfortable bringing up to them.
Black people naturally have a slightly different smell to them than shite people, due to slight differences in sweat glands. I guess some people don't really like the smell, though I personally kind of like it.
Skoma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In my experience everyone has a "scent". Ever lend someone a sweatshirt and get it back smelling like them, or have a girlfriend keep something because it "smells like you"?
Individually we pick up different odors from or jobs, food we eat, products we use, etc. They combine for a pretty unique scent person to person. If you move out geographically and culturally, notes of that scent are more generalized. A daughter might use one brand of deodorant and her mom another, but they share the same household so most of that scent is the same. If most people in a population often cook with oregano it's natural to subconsciously associate that scent with that population.
I'm a white guy dating a black girl, and in my experience there is a detectable difference in our innate scent, beyond body wash amd coconut oil. I love her scent, but I think there's a gut reaction for people to say another race smells "bad" or "weird" because all humans are animals and we do smell bad. We simply become acclimated to our own scent and people we're around very quickly. I have had black friends jokingly ask me why white people "smell like wet dog sometimes" and not known what they meant. I've also been able to smell someone in the gym and tell they're black before looking at them. It's the same with walking into a room with a scent you're not used to, but then soon forgetting about it. It's even like the background hum of the AC you don't notice until it shuts off or changes.
I believe if I could be isolated away from white people for a while, with nose plugs in so I can't smell myself, once I returned their body odor would jump out at me a lot more noticeably. I'd be really aware of it for a while until it eventually faded into the background.
If you have some white friends you're really comfortable with, see if they'll let you take a good sniff for science lol.
I've noticed black people smell different in general. And black women I've been with smell different too. I wouldn't say it's bad or gross though. Just different. People from different countries tend to as well, I've noticed.
Black people have a grease like smell to them. Similar to how indian people smell like curry, asian people smell like asian food, etc. Idk if it's diet related or because of their hair. I prefer to date brown girls (mexican, mixed, middle eastern, etc) but I wouldn't date a full black girl. I'm not sure why but this could be part of the reason.
gindc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had black people and Asian people tell me that white people smell the worse. I didn't think it was true until I was in Guatemala on a bus. The bus was filled with Mayans that had been farming all day in the sun. Not a single scent of body odor. Then a German tourist got on the bus. It was one of the most foul smells I had ever encountered. Made me realize there was truth in how bad white people can smell.
The Japanese find white body odor so offensive, they call white people "butter stinkers".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only thing I could think of is Cocoa Butter. But that stuff smells amazing, so that can't be it.
I've lived in the South my entire life and basically all of us (black, white, asian, hispanic, etc) smell weird. It's just a mix of all the deep fried foods, humidity, and sweet tea in the air that does it.
This is so weird to me as well. I'm a white woman married to a black man. I never once thought he smelled different or weird, in fact, I really like the way he smells. He only uses deodorant (no colognes or sprays) so I'm actually smelling him and not a perfume. The same with his entire family.
To me, black people's b.o. tends to smell...I can only describe it as "musky", versus white people's b.o., which smells kind of "oniony". In my experience, the darker one's skin, the stronger it is, so it's probably melanin-related? Though I could be way off base, and it's just associated with skin care products marketed to black people.
Growing up my Mom always baked homemade bread. Goddamnit I miss that. I grew up with basically the same kids all the way through high school. One day a bunch of us were sitting around and talking about smells, how "she" always smelled this way, how "he" always smelled that way. And then someone said, "Yeah, dickwagger always smells like homemade bread", and everyone agreed with him. I had never heard this before and I was shocked and a bit embarrassed. It's so very interesting how we associate things with familiar smells. Thanks for reading:)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My coworkers (southeastern US) recently hashed this out. Black coworkers say that white people have a smell that ranges from neutral to "wet dog". White coworkers say that black people have a smell that ranges from neutral to "musty" or "sour".
I personally think that most of this is related to personal care products and their use. Much of it is likely regional as well.
ledivin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grew up in a very mixed neighborhood, black/white definitely does have a distinctly different smell. It's not food or lifestyle or anything - I had some very rich and very poor black friends growing up. Can't really describe it off-hand, but I always recognize it immediately. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I have lived in Texas most of my life- I have never heard this before! I'm shocked that people think this and say this. I am white- I have never thought black people smell any different than white people.
I know sometime people smell differently because of different things that they eat (but I have really only noticed this with garlic, and on other white people. And it's so obviously garlic.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was little I remember putting on sunblock that smelled like cocoa butter. Only I didn't know it was cocoa butter, so to me it smelled like "black people".
At that point in my life I couldn't have met that many black people, but I guess of the few I had met, one or two of them must have been wearing cocoa butter and it stuck with me.
Looking back, I'm grateful that I wasn't terribly vocal about this association, and also that I happened to like the smell of cocoa butter.
LanAkou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a black friend in high school. We were pretty tight. We would ask each other all our genuine questions that would have come off super racist if we asked anyone else.
He asked me one day if he smelled different to me. I told him yes, but I couldn't quite describe it. I told him it wasn't great, but that it was just his scent. Not much he can do about it.
Then I asked him if I smelled different, and he told me that, at least to him, most white people smelled like dog. It wasn't always obvious, but it becomes abundantly clear after it rains. When it rains, we smell dead on like wet dog.
So yeah. That's my 2 cents.
PS: Now that I'm older I have way more black friends (Or as I usually refer to them as, "friends"), and they all smell lovely. High schoolers aren't exactly super hygienic so that could have been a factor. Take it all with a big ol' grain of salt.
Black people usually smell like cocoa butter because they use it for their skin. Otherwise they look ashy. Black people also have to use different shampoos because dimethicone makes their hair fall out.
elbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Products probably. White folks use lotion while Black folks use cocoa butter
orafish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is no one talking about how EVERYONE smells differently?!
Am I the only one who notices this? It is personal chemistry, not racial.
I (horrifically) can recall how just about everyone I know smells, and they are all unique and vastly different. I am not talking about parfum, deodorant, garlic or Tumeric sweat... But the base smell of a person. ...is this odd? Doesn't everyone?
I have noticed that the... "Top notes" can be stereotypical based on cultural practices, not necessarily race. But the base sweat/musk/pheromone is singularly identifiable and far more catching and remarkable. Except for newborns, they all smell the same underneath the filth. Like... Sun and wild flowers, fresh dried lambs wool.
i got in trouble once for pointing out that black people smell like lotion
they do though!!
kcall123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like a southern thing. I'm originally from up north (and just recently moved back) but lived in the south for 10 years. I lived with a girl from a very southern family. They took in a black girl as a baby and have been raising her ever since. BUT get this - she was telling me how she wasn't allowed to date black guys. Pretty racist, but nothing I hadn't heard of. So I ask her if her sister is allowed to date black guys. She says yes because she's black. THEN I ask if her sister can date white guys, and she says no. Her exact explanation was "southern racism" but she was completely okay with it
What is up with this is people are confusing race with the diet of a cultural group. It is not our race that determines our smell when we sweat, rather our diet, what we consume. So if you have a cultural group that predominantly eats certain foods they will likely emanate a similar smell when they sweat.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think statistically black people just use way more lotion than white people(ashey elbows anyone?), that lotion carries the "smell" that many southern racists don't like.
dedom19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do some people really think different races and genetics don't produce different types of smells? TIL!
LuvBeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have no idea what she meant you likely haven't spent much time close to black people or don't have strong smell receptors. I don't find the difference unpleasant but saying it doesn't exist is retarded.
The gym I go to has a walking track above the basketball courts, I walk a lap or two in between sets so I'm not just pacing around the weight room like a tiger. The basketball courts are full of black people, and the weight room is full of white people, as a general rule. The difference in smell is pretty noticeable. But the black people at my gym playing basketball are all teenage immigrants so that's probably a factor too.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
~~Melanin has a very distinct smell. If you go up to a black person and smell them, other than soaps, perfumes and the likes, they will smell very different from white people. ~~
Same goes for asians, middle easterners, nordic area persons and etc.
Being i confused the two, the deal was apocrine is greater in black populations which causes more smells from sweat. Got it mixed with melanin, sorry for the misinfo
I very much doubt the truth to this. I've known Pakistani men, husband is half korean and I'm around my MIL (full korean) quite a bit, have had black friends in the past... none of them "smelled" different, other than their individual scent choices (Pakistani guy wore some kind of great cologne, etc)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats odd then. Iv'e lived in the ghetto and almost every black person had some form of the same melanin smell. there were, of course, the ones that'd clean themselves up a littler more, dressed nicer and used stronger soaps and colognes that i couldn't notice because they smelled nice; but, i remember that smell very well.
Also had a czech friend named, pronounced boy-on, that had a very distinct smell in highschool. even after wed shower after gym he had some odd odor that i attribute to where he lived since nobody else smelled like him, even after getting clean.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
??? Well I live in Alabama and I have the exact same reasoning. I could never date a black girl because they do smell weird. Black people have this smell. Not only that but I can't imagine the black girls vagina would be any good. Probably gonna get a lot of shit for this but who cares it's the internet right
tmpick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people smell like chicken soup and white people smell like sour milk. Asians kind of smell like stinky grease? Like a light oil? Not very strong. Hispanics smell like a sweetish dirt smell, with cumin. This was even when we were all eating the same diet.
After a few weeks in the field you don't even notice smells that would knock you out the rest of the time.
infez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His username is actually "PresidentObama" if you were wondering.
mlnjd ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The black ones?
[deleted] ยท 3133 points ยท Posted at 16:20:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was eight years old when Obama won his first election. The atmosphere was incredible. Everyone in my grade was excited- black, white, asian, you name it. I even have my daily journal entry from that day! Not that we knew the signifigance, of course- we just heard that it was history in the making, and thought it was cool. Except for this one boy...
This kid was pissed. I was a pretty friendly girl, so I went over and asked him why he was upset. I'll never forget his response. He said "It's not right. He shouldn't be president". As a kid, I kinda brushed it off and got caught up in the good mood again. But now, at 16, I realize how crazy that was. No eight year old would be that angry about a black man being president of their own accord.
As a black child, I woke up that day to my teary-eyed mom, holding a copy of the newspaper that we still own. I can only imagine now what that boy woke up to in his own home...
Edit: Words. Also, there's a bit more to this story, but I only wrote what I'm 120% positive actually happened.
Edit #2: WTF gold?! Thanks so much!
meshugga ยท 1645 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a black child, I woke up that day to my teary-eyed mom, holding a copy of the newspaper that we still own.
I was a freshman in high school when Obama was elected. We had this old, gruff history teacher who had to be in his early sixties. He was a war veteran and showed little emotion. Nice guy, just emotionless. He was also a big Republican. I remember watching news of Obama clinching the win in his class and we all looked over and saw tears silently streaming down his face. Somebody asked him what was wrong and he replied, "I may not have voted for the man, but this is a great day for our country." Apparently he was an avid basketball player during high school and college on predominantly black teams. He said that some other schools would refuse to play their school because of the black players and the schools that did play them were very physically violent during games. I was very naive because that's when I kinda realized how big a deal Obama getting elected was. It wasn't just an extremely great and important point for black people in America, but for America in general. Obama getting elected brought tears to an old, white Republican man. Great and historical moment for America.
I watched the announcement in the break room at work and bawled. It was the first time I voted (just turned 18) and I remember thinking that we truly could change things with our votes.
That was a very special feeling. I do not have that feeling this year.
We're middle middle class. Both have masters degree. We would be upper middle but debts brought us down. They are more so disappointed in how he's let down the black community. I just want to hear him say, "Black Lives Matter. If you can't agree with that statement you're a racist un-American piece of crap." As far as policy, they're not surprised at congress stopping everything he does. I think Trump as revealed how racist America and its leaders are. He's done his best and we're proud that he was our first black president. He's a wonderful human.
This election they wanted to vote for Bernie. They like Jill Stein but don't want to vote for her because she won't win. I identify as Green Party and will be voting for her. I think my parents will write in Bernie.
Just want to point out that there's a big difference between agreeing with the general statement "black lives matter" and agreeing with everything BLM says/does as a social movement.
Studsy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, "black lives matter" does not represent the entire black race, it is just an organization and many black people completely disagree with what they are doing nowadays.
I think using aggression and anger is not the best possible thing if you want people to empathize with your cause. I think if Obama came out talking about the problems in America's criminal justice system and how it targets people of colour, that would be a much stronger and impactful comment.
Based on nothing but assumptions, and anecdotal evidence, I'm gonna say they're not as enthusiastic about Obama now, if they are lower class...
With a little googling, you could be base your questions on polls and hard statistics, but that would require facing down your cognitive dissonance, wouldn't it?
Your comment is hilarious. Polls and statistics are unrelated? Okay, sure thing buddy.
How do you think Polls work?
By using good, statistically sound methods like having appropriate sample sizes. Not by knowing a few lower class black people and then asking someone on the internet if their family is lower class.
You condescending cunt
Okay. I'll admit to that. I don't even care. Your rant about polls and statistics not being related is totally worth being a condescending cunt for.
angruss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Polls are just surveys of opinion (rather than, say, a survey that uses scientifically validated likert scales). While polls and statistics are not technically the same thing, the results of polls are absolutely statistics. They are descriptive statistics, at least, as they show how many people were polled and the frequency of each answer in the poll/survey. In order to answer the question you're posing, there must also be correlational analysis. For instance, we poll a bunch of people on thier race, income, and attitudes toward Obama. A correlational analysis could show the relationship between any two variables, so we could see right off the bat if a certain race or class correlates with liking Obama. Even better, we could run a multiple regression and see how the linear combination of race and class impacts a person's view of the president. These are all statistical analyses that can be run on poll results, but sure, polls aren't statistics.
Your comment is right, but I'd argue that polls are statistics insofar as you need to conduct your poll with proper methodology to generate data worthy of statistical analysis.
A Gallup poll might not technically be statistics, but it's a lot more significant to statisticians than an online CNN poll. It's kind of a theory/practice split.
angruss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah. That's getting into reliability and validity, which are super important, but a little higher level than what needed to be said to address the now deleted comment that i was replying to
Have you seen The Butler? I loved the insight on how people reacted to Obama being elected, since I was a kid when he was voted in and didn't really understand the importance of it.
I was in high school, and it's bizarre to look back and remember that our school actually banned those campaign t-shirts so people wouldn't get into fights.
Kingbuji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah the boondocks had the best insight on how people reacted....
The night he won I was driving home, heard it on the radio and started crying like a waterfall. Pulled into gas station to fill my tank and the attendant asked if I was ok. Had to nod enthusiastically and tell him it was happy tears ๐๐
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:07:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was pretty emotional in hindsight. Even as a child, I could feel the magnitude of what was going on. I've only seen my parents that emotional a few times since then.
Did you see the video of the 100-odd year old black woman meeting obama in the oval office that was posted to reddit a few months back? That probably goves some good idea about how many people felt.
A lot of "racist" language from her though. The times they are a changin. Edit: Misremembering the video apparently.
Can you imagine how she must have felt?
Her life began when lynching blacks was a common thing and it culminated by meeting the first black president of the US.
But it happened a few here and a few there, just enough so that everybody knew it was a real, persistent threat. So even if it didn't cause as much actual loss of life as we in the present might think, it really did cause massive oppression through the threat.
rox0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just call people in the south terrorists? Did the US pass the patriot act and invade the south because of lynchings? The difference response should indicate something to you.
This conservative estimate is 50 larger than your "pulled out of your ass" statistic.
Tuskegee remains the single most complete source of statistics and records on this crime since 1882. As of 1959, which was the last time that their annual Lynch Report was published, a total of 4,733 persons had died as a result of lynching since 1882.
Hmm, I just re-watched it and I'm completely mistaken. I was mis-remembering her to have said things that sound racist now but are just the way people would have talked.
There were some black americans who lived through the jim crow era and how awful that would have been, seeing a black US president would have been huge for them.
MattRix ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:48:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yup, and it's not like all racism magically ended at the end of the jim crow era
If you're not black it's really not your place to comment. It's insensitive and frankly kind of mean. You might not be generally racist but that was a pretty classic example of institutional racism.
Oh, I figured you meant because she was alive in a time where woman weren't treated near as equal. I'm surprised my grandmother doesn't care about her being the first female president, and actually is focusing on politics instead
I'm canadian but my mother and father were so happy when Obama won and we still have a magazine (maclean magazine, a canadian news mag) right after Obama won in 08. I think for many black people it was really a joyous occasion.
I was training for the Army when Obama won the first time, and had went to bed before they called it because I knew we had a long day the next day. The moment that they called the election there was so much cheering that I woke up, followed by one of the other soldiers running down the halls screaming "It finally happened! We won! Kill all the white people!"
I'm not even exaggerating.
I can understand how momentous it was but that's what always stands out in my mind.
Edit: spelling errors
meshugga ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 18:05:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It finally happened! We won! Kill all the white people!
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:07:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was deployed in Iraq during that election. I saw grown black men with tears in their eyes on the phone with their families from sheer joy.
fizbin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 2008, in December, I was commuting frequently on a route that had me take one train to the end of the line, then get off and walk across the street and around construction barriers to another station. (Light rail to Trenton to NJTransit rail)
One day, there were some (black) kids at that corner singing "Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer" while they were, I don't know, waiting for a bus or something with a very overworked-looking woman. They were adding in the little "like football" and similar bits, and when they got to the end: "you'll go down in history..." "Like Lincoln" "No, like Obama!" "yeah, okay, like Obama!"
Ginjedai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We celebrated on the lawn and played croquet and drank mimosas all day, we were all grungy looking hipsters on drugs.
I was living in South Africa when Obama got elected, and went to a bar with some friends to watch the inauguration. The only Americans there were me and one other guy, but the entire place was in tears as they watched.
Good. People who think like that "I'm not an individual, I'm a member of some group, he's also a member of said group so obviously I'm gonna vote for him without a care about policy" are idiots. Identity politics is garbage, especially in a country where individualism is the name of the game.
meshugga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not they who are the idiots in this conversation, trust me.
Do you have an actual argument? Or are you just content with calling me an idiot because I don't understand this "we are a group, not individuals" mentality in a capitalist society?
meshugga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, i thought "idiot" and "garbage" were valid arguments for you.
Identity politics is garbage. People who vote for someone just because they perceive him as being part of their little group are idiots. Debate that if you can, if you can't then stop replying.
Yeah my parents told me how they never thought they'd see that day in their lifetime. They were born in the mid/early 40s and my mom grew up in a segragated area.
I lived in Memphis when Obama won the first time and someone papered my apartment complex with printed out sheets that just read "My President is Black." The morning after, it was as great a moment as his victory to relive.
My father (white, Canadian) cried when Obama won. I'd only seen him cry one other time when his close friend died. He put the newspaper front page up on the office door and it's been there ever since. My mom also recently put up a newspaper cover of Justin Trudeau and Obama hugging on our fridge.
Kinda off topic, but Im Canadian, my parents are Irish immigrants. My first memory is the only time I ever saw my father cry. It was right after JFK got shot.
He grew up in Northern Ireland, where Catholics at the time didn't really have what the rest of the world calls human rights, so when JFK got elected he was absolutely amazed. He took his death very harshly, and he had never even been to America.
I cried too. I watched him inaugurated, on tv, while at work in a very republican company. Our hospice doctor and i were both crying and i think we were the only ones old enough to understand the impact and awesone huge deal this was. I wish i had saved the paper that day.
Gatineau ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow Canadian here. You and your family sound like nice people. Hugs and upvotes.
My mom also recently put up a newspaper cover of Justin Trudeau and Obama hugging on our fridge.
What the hell? How did they even get into your kitchen?? I've heard of politicians being in a cabinet but JT and OB have crossed the line here.
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White Australian. Did the same.
I also hadn't realized how important it was to have a woman in power until Julia Gillard became PM. I danced around my office that day and am still bitter how she was treated.
niramu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father (white, Canadian as well) hates Justin and Obama. He even said he would vote for Trump if he were American. He even tried to convince my husband (who is American) to vote for Trump on his behalf. My husband was not impressed with that.
My mum and I are pretty liberal though, so we don't really see eye to eye with my father. We avoid political discussions with him, because fact checking and controlling his anger is not his strong suit when politics are involved
twwwy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hippies.
RADEK2000 ยท -156 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are people who didn't vote for him because he's black, and there are countless (probably even more) who voted for him just because he's black. Your father, if American, definitely sounds like the guy who would vote for Obama just because he's black
I feel that saying my father was Canadian was a clear way of saying he is not American. And a lot of us were very excited about Obama for more reasons than his skin colour...
RADEK2000 ยท -80 points ยท Posted at 18:01:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why, how is he so special besides being black?
EliteNub ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:06:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was able to rally many Americans and gave us hope for a more optimistic future. He promised and succeeded in dragging us out of the worst recession since the 30's.
RADEK2000 ยท -56 points ยท Posted at 18:21:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The main reason he rallied so many is because his is black.
He never had a plan for an "optimistic future", he just said "Hope and change!"
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:48:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Which is funny because Obama started more conflicts in the Middle East than he aimed to finish.
MattRix ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:52:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that by the same logic, you could say that the reason most of the previous presidents got elected was because they were white, right? If they hadn't been white they wouldn't have had a chance getting elected, even if otherwise they had the same personality, platform, and policies.
EliteNub ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:30:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He certainly gave me, my family, and many others hope after the terrible Bush years. Hope and Change was the perfect slogan at the time and really brought his message home.
We are doing much better than we were prior to when he came into office.
Considering how bad things were, that'd be hard to fuck up. Moreover, the executive branch really has no financial control, so it'd be wise to thank your congressmen.
EliteNub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course our congressmen helped, but the president deserves a lot of credit as well.
I just think that people put far too much stock into the executive. There is only so much power really available there.
Worse is the people who get unbelievably fired up on reddit about the presidential election and then are "too busy" to vote in midterm elections, where it really matters.
Come the fuck on.
EliteNub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People do put too much stock into the executive, but it's undeniable that they still play a pretty large role in our government.
None of your links point to anything specific that Obama did or said, he had very little to do if anything at all with the federal reserve.
EliteNub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
President Obama understood that this was an all-out crisis that required an all-out policy response. Working with Congress, the Administration took several major actions within its first few months.
Most obviously, we passed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The Recovery Act was the boldest countercyclical fiscal stimulus in American history. It included $787 billion of tax cuts and spending, with the total split roughly one-third tax cuts, one-third government investments, and one-third aid to the people most directly harmed by the recession and to troubled state and local governments. Already, American families have received more than $200 billion in tax cuts and in relief payments such as unemployment insurance. Thousands of investment projects are already underway, including everything from roads and bridges to a smarter electrical grid and clean energy manufacturing.
The Administration worked with the Federal Reserve and the FDIC to help repair the financial system. Perhaps the most important action was the stress test that gave a comprehensive evaluation of the health of the 19 largest financial institutions. This careful scrubbing of the books, together with the governmentโs pledge to fill any identified capital shortfalls that the institutions couldnโt fill by raising private capital, helped to restore confidence in the financial system. It also led to a spurt of private capital-raising that put our financial institutions on a much more secure footing. Credit spreads decreased substantially and stock prices recovered greatly.
The Administration also worked to stabilize the housing market and stem the rising tide of foreclosures. The Treasury worked with the Federal Reserve to help reduce mortgage interest rates, resulting in lower payments for the millions of Americans who refinanced their homes. We also set up a program that helped responsible homeowners facing foreclosure get more manageable mortgage payments. Already more than a million homeowners have gotten trial modifications, and we are working to improve the program so that more troubled homeowners qualify and that more of the trial modifications turn into permanent ones.
These policy actions complemented the Federal Reserveโs actions. Monetary policymakers quickly reduced the policy interest rate to nearly zero. They also undertook large-scale purchases of government bonds and mortgage-backed securities to further reduce longer-term interest rates. And, they created programs that successfully restarted some of the securitized lending that had evaporated following the crisis.
This all-out policy response has made a huge difference. Last Friday, we learned that real GDP, a measure of the total quantity of goods and services we produce, grew solidly for the third quarter in a row. Growth at an annual rate of 3.2 percent in the first quarter of 2010 is a dramatic turnaround from the decline of 6.4 percent that we had in the first quarter of last year. Likewise, in March we started adding jobs again. Employment rose by 160,000, and given the other data, we are hopeful that Fridayโs April employment report will yield another positive reading.
Did you read my first link? Within a few paragraphs it talks about how Obama and his administration worked with congress to pass recovery acts.
And that's countless to you? Maybe you should go back to kindergarten.
Also, you should really use polls if you don't want people to think you're just trying to justify your racial resentment.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:09:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how people always have to convince themselves that they're capable to understand others' true intentions and beliefs just because they're unable to process the fact that they're not always right and others have their own opinions.
I think it's incredibly dismissive to say that "probably more" people voted for him just because he was black than vocal racists who did the opposite--particularly with the racially based birther movement that sprung up and persisted after his win.
A politician is a variety of positions, paired against those of the other party that people like or dislike, and while all things similar, perhaps they might be inclined to vote for Obama over the theoretical identical white Obama who wasn't running in 08. Obama ran a more energetic campaign than Hillary Clinton did and his vision for America resonated. He ran a good ground campaign registering first time voters and increasing turnout, and McCain faltered and didn't recover after picking Palin. He won because of that, not because of the color of his skin.
Besides, if skin color was all that mattered, where was the unilateral crossover to vote for Ben Carson? Voters obviously care about more.
I'm guessing your white. Representation means a lot.
Plus, I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have be the face of America.
scotems ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:20:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*you're+
I agree with both of you, though. It's a shame that we're not past the point where a black president means something really big, but it does, it is important.
Vikkunen ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 17:16:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a black child, I woke up that day to my teary-eyed mom, holding a copy of the newspaper that we still own.
I think that's the aspect of the 2008 election that's lost on young people. I'm a 30-something white guy, but I remember a conversation I had with my aunt, who grew up in South Georgia during the 1940s and 50s, on the day of Obama's first inauguration where she was simply incredulous. Not in a ZOMG HE'S A KENYAN MUSLIM way, but in an "Oh my God, this is incredible. I never thought I'd live to see this day" sort of way.
All politics aside, it's very difficult for young people -- particularly whites -- who didn't have the opportunity to experience the "good old days" to appreciate just what a monumental event in American history the 2008 presidential election was. It's all too easy to just assume that things have always been the way they are now without recognizing that as far as we still have to go to create a more just and fair democracy, it used to be SO SO much worse.
In a lot of ways this could be a good thing. Because young people will accept the diversity easily and not see it as a big deal.
Vikkunen ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:00:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. A couple of years ago I was listening to an interview with a 60s-era civil rights warrior on NPR in which he was asked what it will take for us to make further progress in the area of race relations, and his response was something along the lines of "All my types need to die off."
His explanation was that since people of a certain generation have such strong emotional ties to the movement, as long as they're around it's going to be impossible to look at civil rights and race relations in anything but oppositional terms.
But once they're gone and a new generation that's only ever known the new status-quo takes over, they will be able to negotiate progress with a new baseline.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the opposite. The kind of people who think racism doesn't exist because "well, i've never seen it" or who think racism is just over the top stuff like the kkk
This can be an issue too, for sure. I think it can also be promising in a way though. Some people might not be seeing racism because there isn't much of it in their area (while of course others are just unaware or ignorant).
This is also how us older women feel about feminism in general. If you weren't a professional working female twenty years ago, you don't know just how bad it was -- and how new, dearly bought, and precarious the "better" bits are.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a young white, yeah. It is forgotten. But I still like Obama a lot. I get a "Cool Dad" vibe from him. Like he's all of Americas cool dad. (I mean he's the president and a major political figure, but still)
My kids have never known a world where a black man couldn't be president. It's so wildly different from the way I grew up, which is vastly different from how my parents grew up. Really makes you think about the changes that can take place in just one generation. This is the hope I have. That by the time my daughter, who was born just a couple of days before Obama's inauguration, has children, they will only know of sexism, racism, and bigotry from their history books.
I hope, anyway.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was eight, I saw a black man become president. When my mom was eight, she never would've dreamed of that.
I was always told anything was possible, but didn't think I'd see it so soon in my lifetime. I was 21 when he was elected and I cried over our biracial newborn who suddenly had a billion opportunities and possibilities at her feet.
It was a truly momentous occasion.
Vikkunen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely amazing to think how far we've come in such a short time. I look at my two year old daughter and just boggle to think of the things she will see and experience during her lifetime.
"Not to take away from the historical significance of you perhaps becomes the first female President, but for a younger, younger generation, you will also become their first white President." - Zach Galifianakis
I'll never forget when Obama was elected she took note. She stopped giving any fucks about anything, let alone politics about 15 years ago and has been in a nursing home for about a decade.
When Obama won, she saw him on tv. She asked me grandpa who was the black man. My grandpa said it was the president. She immediately congratulated one of the black nurses saying she never thought she'd live to see the day.
NEOKhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a liberal white woman and when my first daughter was born in 2008 my husband and I filled out one of those calendars where you mark your child's milestones as they happen (first tooth, first bath, their height and weight at doctor visits). I looked back a few years ago and saw that on November 5, I wrote "First Black President Elected" with a smiley face. Pretty big deal.
[deleted] ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:16:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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spyson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to agree with obama obviously, but to say that it's "not right" for a black person to be president? Wow.
closest ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 17:17:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently came across a man who believe Hilary shouldn't be president because she's a woman. Not even about her character, but because to him women shouldn't be in positions of power. Like I think he believes a woman shouldn't be a boss over any man. I'm like... what kind of archaic shit is this? Oh, and he also said that everything he has against black people isn't "prejudice" it's "heritage."
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:04:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 81 year old grandma (white, and lived her whole life in BFE Tennessee) says all the time that women have no business in positions of power and is horrified at the thought of Hillary winning. Her sole reasoning is that "women make decisions out of emotion and god didn't mean for women to lead."
xiaodown ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:52:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and I were Obama supporters. Her mom couldn't stand the thought of him being President"because he was black."
This same woman never said a racist thing in her life. All her kids had black friends who spent the night at her house. She talked with their parents like they were old friends.
It was so eye opening to see where she drew the line and that even with her there was such a thing as "knowing one's place".
That's so interesting. I see this type of mindset far more with sexism. There are many people I know who can be friends with women and love them and be kind to them, but they start to get upset when they start to not "know their place"
One of the things that the Obama presidency uncovered was how much people have invested in the racial heirarchy. Sure, they don't say racist stuff, do overt racist things, but their identity and view of "a functioning society" involves blacks being in their place and subjugated. Then, Obama won, and people felt that the hierarchy was being threatened and that they were threatened by proxy.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't like him because he was cutting NASA funding as part of his platform in 2008. I don't give a rat's ass what colour someone's skin is, or what they have between their legs - I like my space program.
Of course the OP won't see how their starry-eyed view for Obama being president, as an 8-year-old, is just as irrational and latent low-key racist influenced by their parents
Not really - just the concept of "first black president" had been a huge civil rights symbol for a looong time, and one that a lot of people never thought theyd see in their lifetime.
In and of itself that's not a reason to vote for him, sure. But for the kind of people who would appreciate that symbol it's not like McCain/Palin was an option anyway.
I didn't even say just black people for one... I said those who would appreciate the weighty symbolism of "first black president". (Or are you suggesting only black people can appreciate that...?)
But after 8 years of Bush, culminating in economic meltdown, McCain was toeing the party line and then Palin... well, most of those people were already voting Obama anyway.
The Republican party makes 0 effort to appeal to blacks. Seriously, look it up, over 90% of black people vote Democrat (Trump currently has less than 1% of support among blacks).
Black people make 0 effort to learn about why Republicans have the platform they do, and they all po' folk who loves the promises off free welfare that Democrats make constantly.
See how easy it is to be a casual racist? Try not doing that
Black poverty rate is 27.4% , so while higher than average that definitely doesn't account for 90%+ support.
Black people make 0 effort to learn about why Republicans have the platform they do
One of the dumber comments I've read. If Republicans want their vote, then it's their job to reach out to the black community to explain their ideas, like the Democrats do (and Republicans do with THEIR constituencies, like evangelicals, whites, etc). It's obvious that Republicans aren't really seeking the black vote though.
See how easy it is to be a casual racist? Try not doing that
Yes, that's why I was asking. Are you saying that understanding that different ethnicities often have different views/interests (and therefore vote differently) is racist?
Well that's some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Are statistics about different voting behavior made up? How can you even defend that position? Is it classist to say that poor people vote differently than rich people? Is it homophobic to say that gay people are more likely to vote Democrat? Is this really how you think?
That's where those views (usually) start, as children. I mean we don't have some vague approximations of what colours are right for president, it just wouldn't make sense. But little kid minds are malleable, you can get them to believe just about anything.
It's incredibly sad.
SnesC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Playing devil's advocate here: the kid didn't actually say anything about Obama's race. It could be that his parents frequently criticized Obama for other reasons and the kid just internalized those criticisms and concluded that Obama shouldn't be president because he thinks he would be bad at being president.
To be fair, the kid didn't say it's not right for a black person to be president. He may be parroting his parents' conservatism, not racism. People can be just as irrationally conservative as a racist can be irrational.
My parents are hard R. Never seen them ever treat someone of another race like anything but an equal, they said similar things just because of the D next to his name and repeat the pattern with every Democrat. Fucking Jesus could run as a Democrat and I'm pretty sure they would still vote Republican all the way down the ticket
Vkmies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying the same thing about a woman president right now. No way our country can go from 40+ white males, to a black male, then directly to a woman. It's too much too fast and no it's not right. Vote for that giant oompah loompa instead! At least it will reset the benchmark standard and give us something tangible to hold on to.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not, but couldn't it also have been about Obama being a democrat? Like... "it just ain't right, a democrat president. Republican for life!!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about the downvotes. And you're right! I think we can all agree that he just repeated what he heard at home. But whether he heard "Fuck Obama because he's black" or "Fuck Obama, because he's a Democrat" will never be known
No I'm sure he/she was parroting their parents, we already established that. The question is why the parent would feel that way and the assumption of course was "oh - parents don't like Obama they must be racist".
I can't begin to imagine what it would have been like in black households, but I do remember it was a big deal for catholics when Kennedy was elected. Many said that a Roman Catholic should never be president. It was a big moment for catholics. America is at it's best at these moments.
Diiigma ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can we take a moment and realize Obama has been in presidency for 8 years.
honestly feels like yesterday that he got elected, and I was in 2nd grade now sophomore year
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2nd grader, now a junior- I know exactly what you mean!
The current election is the first one that I'm old enough to really understand. And what a shitshow it's been... Talk about setting a good example XD
So strange. I was in High School when Obama was originally elected. No way are the kids who were 2nd graders when I was in High School now in High School themselves. 2nd grade to High School felt like an eternity for me, but these last 8 years feel so short in comparison. I honestly can't believe it's the same length of time.
I know right? I'm tempted to say it's an age thing, but I think it's more about how many memorable events you have. Speaking for myself, it seems memory is split into something like chapters, each feeling weighted equally regardless of time spent. Each grade of grade-school is a new classroom, new friends and teachers, sometimes a new building entirely, each contained more-or-less in their own chapter.
But once you leave high school, chapters come years at a time. 4 years in undergrad is that one chapter in college. Maybe a another chapter for grad school. And once you get a job, get married, have kids, buy a house, those chapters can be decades long but feel just as short as any other chapter.
Just a reminder to go try new things, I guess.
cuomo456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird how much of a difference 8 years makes when you're younger. I was a sophomore in college and now I'm just not in college.
Yeah, pretty amazing. Feels like only yesterday that I was 35.
sherlip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit - I was in sophomore year when Obama got elected. I voted for his reelection in my sophomore year of college. I'm old :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Obama was the only president I ever really knew. (Too young to actually remember Bush, I was in third grade when Obama was elected). I'm a junior now and in APUSH we're doing a prognostication project on the election and it's pretty crazy/scary, considering whoever is elected will massively affect our future as we enter college and adulthood.
I was about to turn 9 and I remember my fourth grade class passing out forms for your parent to sign so you weren't "forced" to watch the inauguration of the first black president . Pissed me off back then, pisses me off now. Like how can you rob your kid of history because on an agenda. Sickens me that that was even an option.
I'm old as fuck but we had the same form in 1988. It's school policy because a lot of people have religious objections to political indoctrination (JW's for instance).
It can't have been his first term, it must have been the reelection, but I remember being excited to teach my stepson things about the world. As I was driving him to daycare I taught him that Barack Obama is the president, and that means he'll be the leader of our country for four more years. No opinions or politics, just facts about our system. When we got there he was super hyped to share has new knowledge with the teacher who promptly rolled her eyes and said "yeah, unfortunately." And went off about Healthcare Reform or something.
Bitch, this kid is 4. Tell him good job and keep your comments to yourself.
Maybe his parents were upset he won and not because he's black but because they disagreed on his policies and he saw them upset and became upset himself.
Maybe I have too much hope for this world, but it's better to think about it this way. I was also often upset about political stuff when I was his age because I saw my parents upset about it.
I love that part about your mom holding the newspaper, because as a black child as well, my grandmother was doing the same. We still have the copy, and it's incredible to see.
JaXXXuP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, was he angry because he was black or some other reason?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely positive, so I can't say for sure. I do recall him saying something about race, but it's been almost a decade. I only wrote what I'm positive actually happened.
pfabs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"it's not right, he shouldn't be President."
Bring in the down votes but you are the person assuming he said that because of his skin color. My son's black and 11, when one of his friends says Hillary or Trump shouldn't be President, I don't assume it's because of her gender or his skin color.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, I have no idea where he was coming from- it could've been as innocent as repeating his parents. All I know is what he said, and how he acted around me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama winning was a lot like the OJ verdict, black people too happy white people too mad. Obama overall was a very very middle of the road president. I can't criticize Bush/Cheney on their war crimes without also mentioning the war crime of the drone war Obama escalated.
I voted for him twice, and I feel he did a lot but was limited by the opposition, but his economics and war policies didn't really piss off people on the right the way I'd want a liberal president to piss them off.
The right calls Obama liberal.. I disagree, he's moderate.
Good god. I was in my first job teaching elementary school when Obama won. You not only would have been young enough to be one of my students - you would have been one of my youngest! I'm old :(
I live in the Bible belt and everyone was angry because their parents were angry a Democrat got in office. My parents didn't discuss politics with me (probably for the better) so I just followed suit.
I knew a kid like that, I'm pretty sure he had anger issues though. I was in middle school during that election and we had a school wide vote on who we would like to be president. I was sitting next to this kid during class when they announced the results.
When he heard that Obama won the poll, he got pissy and started kicking my leg out of anger. I hadn't even said anything to this kid either, he just started kicking me because I was the closest person and sitting next to him.
I can sorta relate, I was 9 when Obama won the first election. I'm white but there's this other kid who always said how Obama was dirty and obviously just repeating his parents because he had no reason to believe that "Obama will ruin the country". He was into hunting and stuff and made a girl cry by saying he didn't believe in god.
Today, the same kid goes on reddit a lot and he always just agrees with what reddit says. Huge Bernie trend a while ago? Boy did he love Bernie. He bought 5 buttons. Huge trump trend? He bought a "make America great again" hat. Now everyone is divided? He doesn't know what he wants either. He is now a cool person but god damn I wish he could find his own opinions ):
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just though "wait, if she was 8 when Obama is elected how is she 16" then I realized that that was 8 years ago. Wtf
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama has been president for ~1/2 of my life, and only ~1/5 of my mom's life. Wild, isn't it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird though because I was 8 when Obama was elected so I should've realized you'd be 16.
So... Are we jumping to a conclusion here? Do we know the kid felt that way because his parents didn't want a black president? Did he say anything to that effect? Or maybe they just taught the kid to hate democrats?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much, yeah- all I have to go off of is what he said, and how he acted around me. However, another friend of mine, who was kind of excited, had a strained kind of feeling around her - and now that we're older, I realize her family is Republican, so I'm sure she heard something negative about Obama winning. But still- she wasn't that upset.
The way this boy acted was nothing like the way she acted. Like, I cannot accurately describe the seething anger that was coming off of this kid. It was jarring.
As a black child, I woke up that day to my teary-eyed mom, holding a copy of the newspaper that we still own. I can only imagine now what that boy woke up to in his own home...
I'm a 30 year old hispanic from NY. I voted for Obama twice. I remember when he was just "A rising star" that had become state senator in Illinois and gave the DNC speech. I remember being pretty sure that he would either be killed, or found to be too controversial to be fit for president. They'd find dirt on him at some point because growing up before you, my young friend, we just knew that there would never be a black president. Not while white people are the majority. Not after Bush/Gore. Certainly not after 9/11 and the Financial crash. What's crazy isn't that your schoolmate was racist thanks to his parents. What's crazy is that our country is full of people that grew up just as him.
I'm half black and was also eight when he was elected. I specifically remember going to school and being shocked by the pissy looks on some of my classmate's faces. They didn't really say why they didn't want him to win, just that they really didn't. I remember I asked one girl when I was standing in line and her face screwed up like she smelled something really bad and she said "I just don't like him" in a really sharp voice. I remember thinking that maybe she just didn't like black people, but (being a naive eight year old) thought that it couldn't be true because she was from the Philippines.
The excitement was real though. I'm not sure how to explain it, but I think this was around the time that I was realizing that my mom is black. I know it's a strange thing to say, but I'd just never really thought about her and everyone on her side of the family being black until my sisters had to explain the underlining issue that some people had with Obama. But both of my parents were super excited. I remember my mom telling me it was a historic moment and that I was lucky to be old enough to remember it. Obama's election was a pretty big deal for my family.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Succinct and well put. I feel the same way. To me it is the unfortunate combination of identity politics and SJW group-think that was spawned from our uber-liberal colleges for the last 3 decades, and the chickens have come home to roost.
I heard someone comment with a phrase that really stuck with me:
You can be it if you can't see it.
I think about that a lot. It may be forever before we see another black president, but black children have someone they can see as the leader of America.
Obama had some defects, but he also exhibited coolness under some pretty terrible situations, and he was open with interacting with the public, especially the younger vote.
Had you told me in 2005 or so when I was listening to Ricky Gervais' podcast that one day the leader of the United States will one day have a sit down lengthy discussion with a stand up comedian turned podcaster, I'd have thought you were crazy. But Obama did. Then he ran the YouTube circuit and then between 2 ferns.
He's the first president who has been able to be cool, funny and someone to look up to for many generations.
kurburux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was very nice to read, thank you!
jb4427 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was eight years old when Obama won his first election
Jesus Christ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
?
jb4427 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were 8 years old in 2008, and that makes me feel old.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We adults shared the same excitement as you kids when he first won. I was at a small election party and we had all been drinking (mid twenties). When Obama won my guy friend threw me over his shoulder and we all went running out into the street cheering. Other neighbors came outside as well and it turned into a big celebration.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, because his parents couldn't have just been republicans who wanted the republican candidate to win, and the kid decided to copy what his dad did... which was be mad that the republican lost and the democrat won... which is pretty normal... and doesn't automatically make you racist...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's very true! All I know is what he said and how he acted around me.
I woke up to my mom crying hysterically while my dad assured her that she'd never be made a slave while he was alive. Dumb fucks honestly believed that not only was Obama planning to enslave all white people, he was capable of carrying this out.
I'm not a fan of his after 8 years, but at the time, I just called my aunt and asked her to talk my mom down, and come take me to school early so I could get away from the crazy. I was the only student not wearing black, but that was because I was out of the loop massively, and missed the mass texts and social media messages telling everyone to wear black in solidarity with the first black president. I might have worn black at the time, had I known.
Have you ever considered that his parents didn't want Obama to be president because they disagreed with his policies instead of because they are racists?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Like I've said to others, he might've just been repeating what he heard from his parents, that the whole thing was simply about Obama being a democrat. But something is keeping me from believing it. Maybe it's that I had friends at the time that I know came from republican families. Even they didn't act so... Disgusted. This kid's anger was on another level.
Zoltrahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a black child, I woke up that day to my teary-eyed mom, holding a copy of the newspaper that we still own. I can only imagine now what that boy woke up to in his own home...
I was at his first inauguration. I bawled my eyes out when he took the oath. The energy in that crowd was amazing. Everyone was so happy and optimistic. He was the first president I ever voted for. I turned 18 less than two weeks before the election. I had been politically active all through highschool and it was the first time I felt that we stood a chance at making a difference or had accomplished something. Seeing him take the oath on Lincoln's Bible and then visiting the Lincoln memorial afterwards was awe inspiring. To see how far our country had come was truly incredible. It was an experience hardly anything can top.
Even across the pond in the UK (and I assume almost worldwide) the atmosphere when Obama won was amazing! He's still thought of very highly worldwide, mainly because international media reports what actually happens in the US, rather than what will make their target audience vote for who they want in power (mainly because they aren't US-based so have no interest in US politics).
My buddy got to see him right after he got elected. He came to our military base, and he said all of the black girls were reaching out and touching the presidents face like he was some type of Messiah. It weirded both of us out to say the least.
This is what The Onion had to say about Obama's victory:
Black Man Given Nation's Worst Job
November 4, 2008
WASHINGTONโAfrican-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation's broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, "It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can't catch a break."
It's interesting, I grew up in Wisconsin, and I don't remember anyone even registering the president's racial background. Not in support or protest. Now GW Bush's religious convictions on the other hand...
I was there in Grant Park the night he was elected. I lived downtown (still do) and that night will remain burned into my head forever. It was amazing watching his speech in real life.
It was so packed and crazy and everyone was just....happy. I'm really going to miss him as president. I have this crazy theory that he's going to end up on Mt. Rushmore one day.
MooPig48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter was in elementary school. A little boy threatened to shoot all of the Chinese people because "Obama is going to give all of the jobs to China".
Or, imagine if Trump were to win, a lot of people would wake up saying "He shouldn't be president". That doesn't mean they're racist against whites (or orange people in Trump's case) it just means they think he's unqualified or wouldn't represent American values, like many thought about Obama. But if everybody who hates Trump isn't a racist, and everyone who hates Hillary isn't a sexist then why in the fuck did/do we pretend that everyone who hates Obama is racist...?
I know this is Reddit, so some idiot will respond "yeah ok racism is dead, whatever". If that's you, re-read what I wrote, take a deep breath and give it some thought.
Was he really angry that Obama won because he's black though? I remember when I was a kid and being unfairly angry when the candidate my parents didn't like got into office. I shouldn't have been that upset considering I didn't know anything about politics as a middle schooler; but what he said kinda resembled my sentiment towards the candidate.
I mean that's not to say the parents didn't tell the kid that Obama is black and going to ruin the country but I don't really see how what he said was inherently racist with the given context.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama sure did a lot for the African American community!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's quite the experience. I was the same age (but Canadian and white) so when my teacher was so enthusiastic about this historic event, I was just like, "meh".
Right it was weird to me to see my younger bros friend so upset when Obama became president. Ill never forget the serious look he had on his face when he said it ain't no white house anymore.
I was 7 when he was elected, I remember playing a flash fighting game on Miniclip of Obama and Mccain. I also remember loving Obama cause he seemed cooler then Mccain. I'm reminded of John Mulaneys stand up bit about Bill Clinton.
Man.. And now, to see him implicated nearly irrefutably in the whole Benghazi debacle in the newest wikileaks.. I hate that.. I wouldn't mind quite as much if it was some rando white dude, or Hillary acting alone, but I feel like the black community really needed him to be on the level, and he failed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black, white, asian, hispanic god-damnit that don't mean shit to me fuck your ethnicity
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that kind of crap is taught. 8 years old don't hate blacks on their own.
As a black child, I woke up that day to my teary-eyed mom, holding a copy of the newspaper that we still own.
I'm a white guy who was 19 in 2008 and am a very big Obama fan. I don't have a newspaper subscription but drove to a gas station to buy a copy of the paper the morning after Obama won the Iowa primary. I still own that.
If it makes you feel any better, I was also an 8 year old super pissed Obama won. Because my parents were. Because they're die hard Republicans. Can't speak for that kid, but just know race wasn't necessarily the factor involved
Kierik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This kid was pissed. I was a pretty friendly girl, so I went over and asked him why he was upset. I'll never forget his response. He said "It's not right. He shouldn't be president". As a kid, I kinda brushed it off and got caught up in the good mood again. But now, at 16, I realize how crazy that was. No eight year old would be that angry about a black man being president of their own accord.
Race might not be a part of this but instead his parents could be hyper partisan. My parents talked doom and gloom when Bill won the election in 92. And again in 96. After the elections is was very somber at home. So I would give his parents the benefits of the doubt unless the kid exhibited a lot of racism himself.
My girlfriend (now-wife) had that same newspaper. I threw it the fuck out. And not because of racism; that's stupid in of itself (although -- calling it now, people will still claim I'm a racist simply because I didn't like his victory). I wanted to burn it, but I preferred to be subtle about it then explain smoke and ashes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a service writer at a truck dealership at that time. One of my customers the day after the election was a black over the road truck driver in his 50s. He cried in my office.
Why do you assume it was about his race? Aside from projection, as it would seem. I mean, you have to admit he was right to be seriously concerned, knowing what we know now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HE WAS EIGHT. And even if it had nothing to do with race, which it very well could've, the fact that he was so pissed was crazy.
My girlfriend is black and I'm white and I love her to death but when we first started dating I realized she did smells different from I guess "white people" idk if that's actually a thing or not but I love her smell nown so it doesn't matter.
TrueJP ยท 754 points ยท Posted at 16:25:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Apparently, this goes both ways though. I dated a black girl for a few years and I had the same experience. We were talking about it at one point and she told me white people smell a little like wet dogs to her especially when we sweat.
Edit: I guess white people can also smell like sour milk.This is officially my top rated comment. Stay weird Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I don't trust my wife when she says I don't smell. She's just used to my smell, and as a brown person I bet I smell like the spicy food I love to eat.
Funny enough, white person living in brown people diet smells different from brown person living on curry diet. I am just glad she loves biriani as much as I do.
Some people don't smell. A lot of East Asians don't. I think there's a small percentage of non- East Asians that have very little body odor. That being said, most people don't smell bad until they get really sweaty. Also sometimes other people are attracted to that sweaty smell.
Btw, I'm a half white, half Indian.
elgskred ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
But only after you kill someone, you murderer
e: oh come on, it's a reference, reddit loves references..
I'm only half white. I notice the smells of different races really keenly. White people and black people smell very different when they sweat. Honestly I can't really stand either. Also Indian people smell different as well. I've never really smelled sweaty Hispanics so I don't know how that differs
Hispanics tend to smell pretty similar to white people from what I've noticed. Not exactly, but close.
I think it's more of a natural musk than just products people used; because to be totally honestly, the area with the strongest musk smell for each race seems to be from the crotch. I'm sure products can make a little bit of a difference, but overall I think people's sweat just smells difference.
Source: I'm white and have been with mainly white or mixed people, but I did have a fwb with a black guy for a while. I really wasn't a fan of the smell. It was terrible, it just didn't quite fit my fancy? I never intended him to be more than a fwb though, so if I had been more seriously interested in him I'm sure I would have gotten used to it/learned to like it.
Also, men's musk is definitely way more prevalent than women's. There's still a difference in smell between races with women, but no where near as obvious as men.
I also had a black fwb and while the scent initially surprised me, I actually really liked it. Which was odd, because in general I don't care for the scent in the crotch area for any guys regardless of race, but I liked his a lot. For me, Mexican guys had the strongest scent that occasionally was off-putting.
I think it's definitely something that can grow on you too. As I said in a different comment, it has almost a bittersweet smell on top of the regular musk most people have. It's not bad but I think it would take some getting used to. To be honest, at the time that saw him, I didn't really like the musky smell of guys in general, but I've really started to like it a bit now that I've been with my boyfriend for a while, haha.
Yeah, I can see that. I think Mexican guys scent basically smells like super pungent white guy scent? I think overall white guys and asian guys have the least "loud" scent, though both smell different.
In the scheme of things, it's definitely part of what you're used to; someone's scent might be slightly off-putting if you're not used to it, but if you do get used to it and you see someone of the same race/same scent, it probably wouldn't be an issue again. I think it definitely depends on the person too; some people have really really strong musks no matter how clean they are, and if it's not a scent you care for, it would be a lot tougher.
Lafftar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think maybe because you're a woman, you think women's musk is not as obvious. I can smell the ladies from like 10 feet away, god help me. I don't even understand it, but when I was in 6th grade, I knew when the girls started getting their periods, I could smell it.
What did the black guy's crotch smell like though?
Agu001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can smell some girls pretty easily, but not as obviously as men in general? I'm not sure. I think part of it is products in that sense though. Women tend to wear a lot of perfume, and most of the guys I hang out with tend to not wear cologne so the musk is more obvious. It's definitely wayyyyy more obvious if you actually sleep with the person, and from my experience, men have a lot more musk overall. I definitely get what you're saying about girls getting their period; it can be really obvious with some of them. Not really sure why some of them have such a pungent period smell, but it can be pretty obvious, lol.
It's hard to explain the smell; think of how your balls smell after a long day, but add a pretty prominent bittersweet smell to it. That's kind of how it smelled? It was just a lot more pungent. It's actually the same smell my black female friend had when we were growing up if she got sweaty, and I've noticed it on a few friends of both sexes that are black as well. I'm assuming it's kind of a genetic racial trait because of that, but who knows. It's not a bad smell or anything, it's just way different, so unless you're used to it, I could see it being a turnoff for a one night stand or something.
White guy here. Dad was white too, in case the following ends up being ambiguous to anyone.
I've noticed for some time now that when I sweat, the odor emanating from my armpits reminds me quite strongly of my dad, from those times when I was younger and would hug him. He was tall, so my nose would end up around chest height.
Are you in PNW by chance? I'm a white guy, but I've noticed that anytime someones outside for more than 15 minutes and they come inside - they smell "like the outside" - which to me means a mixture of wet dog and tree sap.
TaMaison ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought at the last meeting we agreed not to tell the white people the truth. You must be special bruh.
Aw, we have wet dog smell? Damn. That's actually kind of hilarious. Actually I figure we smell different based on what ethnicity you ask. I wonder if smells were part of the reason for conquest and such in the ancient world.
Lafftar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think maybe just people who have dogs? I don't think you guys smell like wet dogs.
Maybe it's just memory bias of a few particularly smelly white dude. I'm white and I don't notice most people's smells (white or otherwise), but there are a few white people I know that just have an incredibly overwhelming smell when they sweat. You notice the second they enter the locker room or come near you on the gym floor.
I'm white and I notice white people smell like wet dog. I thought this was common knowledge. So common, in fact, that it's a saying around here that people coming inside from being outside for a while smell like wet dog.
totomaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that white people smell like either wet dogs, or onions. I am an onion person.
Really? Is bigoted the right word to use? It is a stereotype but there was nothing remotely hateful in that question. Stop stirring shit up when there isn't any.
Yes, nothing remotely hateful in saying to a white man; that he has to have a big dick in order to satisfy a black woman because every black man has a big dick and that's all the black woman looks for in a man.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:46:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No correlation
resquall ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:53:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do i even have to finish this sentence
lmfaoo wtf
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well wansnt it obvious what he was about to say? /s
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:54:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think about how dumb that is.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very shallow way of thinking about relationships. And also no, it doesn't mean anything of the sort.
Baitdoll ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:42:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so suprised no one has mentioned that this is related to die and social habits and not race.
Obviously race plays a role, but only in relation to ethnic diets and mannerisms. Indians smells spicy because most don't believe in deodorant, they have very spicy aromatic foods with key sweat smelling foods like garlic, cumin, cloves, and onions. Then, to cover a smell they are aware of they use talcum and spiced perfume that isn't common to American perfumes. Citrus and saffrons as opposed to lavenders and lilacs.
Plus, the fucking sour milk comments, Jesus Christ. Ya'll just need to use some fucking soap. We don't naturally smell like that, its called BO.
Black people smell like cocoa butter, because they use it far more culturally. They have naturally ashy skin, and its great for that. I have the worst ashy elbows and cocoa butter is a god send. It smells good too, so I don't think black people smell bad.
It even goes down to our hair, and stuff, and what kind of shampoos and soaps are better for certain cultural norms.
Now that I think about it, my first girlfriend I had was black and her hair always had a distinct, unique smell to it. Not sure if it was a hair product she was using or something biological - I never really got around to asking.
I always loved to sniff her hair when we were hugging, though lol
Well I dated a Puerto Rican man for a while and I thought his sweat smelled like cozy warm cinnamon rolls...and I just got pregnant and I knew it first from my smell that turned into the aura of a musky dank barnyard...so sweat smells bad unless you're Puerto Rican and doubly so if you're a pregnant white lady...
This whole conversation is dumb. Everyone smells, hence showers, deodorant and perfumes for all people.
This is so crazy weird to me! I've been dating my boyfriend who is black (I'm white) for over a year. We even live together and I've never noticed a smell! Granted he's often too lazy to restock his own products so we use a lot of the same hygiene products. He's also balding so special shampoos aren't really necessary.
I've still never noticed a strange smell from him or any of his family. I don't think I noticed anything when I was the minority in a multi-roommate situation either! (Except that too many people were awful at doing dishes. Those definitely smelled weird.)
Maybe I've got a weak sniffer. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's the melanin. It is very distinct.
Being i confused the two, the deal was apocrine is greater in black populations which causes more smells from sweat. Got it mixed with melanin, sorry for the misinfo
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with special needs individuals. One boy was primarily echolalic, and would repeat things he'd heard multiple times. One night he told myself and my coworker that all the "dirty niggers gotta go back to being slaves cause they're so stupid". So that was fun. We knew his parents had been extremely abusive, but that was when we learned they were racist too.
DROCITY ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sucks, my little sister came home from being with our cousing and she said
-Brother, do you wanna know what a sand monkey is?
-Yea sure, what is it?
-A muslim!
Made me so sad, she has so many muslim friends but still thinks thats okay to say.. I dont shink she does it anymore though
better than "sand niggers". I have a friend who's really nice, and he assures me that he only uses that term to describe arab-looking people who specifically piss him off. Not the nice ones he's friends with (which, to be fair, there were several of). So he's not racist, because he only uses those terms on individuals.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:44:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he's not racist, because he only uses those terms on individuals.
I means, kind of makes sense when you look at what racism actually is.
When I was a kid, my grandmother was bedridden by a stroke and couldn't walk or talk. She had a sitter named Irene, a black lady who changed my life.
My dad was a pretty good dad, but one of those southern racists that just seemed to not know better. I stayed most days with Irene or her daughter Vera at my grandparents house, and they in a literal sense, taught me how to be a good person. I ended up spending most of my time with their family since mine had abuse problems, and they just took me in. To this day Vera is now my best friend.
When I hear stories like yours it bothers me to the bottom of my heart. I'm so sorry for that insulting comment.
As someone who lives in the South, I had no clue how widespread racism actually was until I did some volunteer work at an elementary school (I'm in high school, needed the service hours to graduate, not some weird creep). This little black girl sits next to a white girl and the white girl said, "you can't sit here, my parents said I'm not allowed to talk to black people." And the little black girl started to cry. Then the white girls friend turned to her and said "You can't say that to her face!"
I told some teacher about it and I'm not sure if anything about it happened, but that truly was the moment that I realized that racism is very much alive. Until that point I thought that most people that complained about racism were just whining and that the only racists were the hillbillies that never really interacted with many people anyways. At least in my state.
The people that assume women and people of color are simply whining about nothing intrigue me. Like it's sad that they are so unaware of what those groups face, but in addition, they can be so adamant that those groups don't face discrimination despite never having to experience what they've been through.
This entire time I've understood that the way the world works favors white men, and I've always understood that a black person is going to have to work twice as hard to get to the same place as a white person, but I never really believed that there were people walking around calling black people the n word to their face and telling them to go back to Africa. I knew that those people existed, I just didn't believe it was as widespread as people made it out to be. I think it's mostly because I simply don't associate with the hill jacks, I live in the south, but north enough that most people living in the city don't have strong accents or confederate boners. The people 20 minutes outside of the city are absolutely racist, but in school you really don't see all that much racism, aside from "KKK" or the occasional n word etched into the bathroom stall.
Ba_dongo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So edgy
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a retard in 2016 LUL
Lux_cs ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 15:59:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do libs always say "disgusting?" There are other words to use.
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Is it wrong to notice that people smell different? does the melanin that makes people black not smell different than asians? how about middle easterners or nordic area persons?
All skin colors smell different and melanin is a VERY distinct smell.
Being i confused the two, the deal was apocrine is greater in black populations which causes more smells from sweat. Got it mixed with melanin, sorry for the misinfo
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, diet has alot to do with it; but, why didn't i smell like that when i was younger then? my black friends said i smelled, faintly, like milk and they couln't smell eachother. We ate all the same foods and everything.
salavis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:01:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jihiggs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats not an attack...
elkoubi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife used run a school. Her kids would often say that people "only voted for Obama because he was black." Gotta love Dixie. Here come the "only because she was a woman" comments.
Oh I've heard them all. They are a bit ironic tbh.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't assume the child is always repeating hatefulness from a parent. They hear and parrot stuff from other sources, including other children. I had an incident where my (admittedly autistic) child who I have raised to be polite and respectful meltdown on his black paraprofession, start hitting her, and calling her a stupid b****. It broke my heart. I was so mortified, ashamed, and embarrassed. The lady still looks at me like I'm...the world's worst parent raising a hateful, violent person.
Long story short, he was repeating a meltdown he witnessed at his behavioral therapy (bcs). There was a particularly violent child who was usually in isolation. It happened around lunch. And my son repeated the behavior under duress. I'll still never live it down... But I know that I didn't teach him that.
Firemanz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of insult is that towards black people? Like.... I understand if people think skin color means anything.. But black skin smells weird? Wth
Idk man but every Indian person I've ever been around has smelled funny
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does "Smelly weird skin" translate into in adult? Obviously it's something to do with Obama being black and that being apparently a bad thing to them but I don't quite get the "smelly weird" part.
As a person who moved to the south when I was a kid I'm still baffled by some of the weird quirks of racism here. Like the smelly weird skin thing. What? Do they mean..... black peoples' actual skin? Because everyone's skin smells, and I guess it's all weird how it moves and grows hair and stuff? Or are they just absolutely grossed out by cocoa butter, but totally cool with whatever flower of the week body lotion they bought at bath and body works or Axe body spay?
That being said, having a racist ass "Southern girl" mother in law has put me into a few of these awkward situations, like having the Hispanic teacher inform me that the child believes "you can't trust the Mexicans." Mortifying. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I swear we're not bigoted assholes at home, it's just his grandmother. .....
Honestly, but you need to be careful about where you say you are from. I'm from Memphis, as southern as they come, and you would not have had the same issues there. Not everywhere is the same in the South.
To be fair, when I was a child I thought all black people smelled weird because I only knew one black family whose daughter was one of my preschool friends, and they must have all used the same weird lotion or hair products.
I've met a few more black people who smell similar but it's certainly not been a universal truth. If I was that young when Obama was campaigning I probably would have believed whoever said that.
And they may not have been repeating their parents. My parents are both super PC, but in kindergarten I got in trouble for telling a kid named Jamal that the reason no one would play with him was that he was black. The reason I said that is that he was both black and stinky, but I hadn't encountered many black kids so I just assumed that the two things went hand in hand. It was really awkward for my mom because she taught across the hall, so my teacher ran out of the class to tell her what I had just said.
Being a black teacher in the South has been interesting.
Didn't see that twist coming.
EliteNub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in 5th grade when Obama was running for his first term and my class had a mock election. I was the only person in my class who voted for Obama, everyone told me that a black person couldn't be president, I live in New York...
May not be racist parents. My parents didn't teach me hatred as a kid but when I moved to a different town and hung out with black students, the first thing I mentioned was their different smell. Just an honest kid observation. "Weird" doesn't necessarily mean bad; just different.
My husband and I never talk about race - so my son grew up without any racist bias. We just want him to see people as people and not a color. My kid used to happily call black people shadows. I don't know why or how he learned that - except that he would get excited to find "shadows" in the store.
Now he's in first grade and he sits next to the cutest little black girl - she has pigtails all the time and glasses - seriously adorable. He loves to come home and tell me how she has such beautiful dark skin but that we can't ever have the same color skin because we're born with our skin. I love seeing him process this new information every day. He's just observing new things and he's genuinely into learning about why people are born different.
I feel bad for children that are taught prejudice from such an early age. They'll grow up without the ability to accept others and new people which will truly limit their experiences in life.
I remember my father getting a bit furious at me when I was in first or second grade. We had this Indian (red dot) teacher and I said I didn't like her because she smelled really bad. Oh boy did he go off.. Blah blah rude mean don't say things like that, what a fucking pussy.
Nice lady and all, I'd love to see her again, but holy shit she really did smell bad.
bottabot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi Sub116610:
Could you clarify your comments on /r/altright on "You guys need to read Pat Buchanon's "Death of the West"" where you said
I went to the library first to see if I could find it... They don't have anything from Buchanan in the whole state of Arizona
Meaning; every single thing I posted here could not be perceived as racist because none of it has been. I linked to a book about western civilization and how the library wanted nothing to do with any past presidential candidate's books.
No racism, no sexism, nothing of whatever the hell you look for. Do a background check on me, IDGAF. I'm not some crazy militant, I just want people to read and be aware about western civilization. Nothing about race you fucking bot
Edit: why are you posting this here "bot"? Did you find something people could relate to that was harmless and somehow weakly try to associate it with a group of people you want to be perceived as nut jobs? Fuck you, you spineless "bot".
And, since I know you're not a "bot" but a real person... I wish you no harm no matter what race, creed, class, etc. you are. Let's all live our lives in peace and harmony. There's no need for any extremism. Absolute idiotic pieces of shit will think that (some sort of extremism/act/terrorism) will be beneficial to further whatever cause they're sickly indoctrinated with.
My favorite thing about Obama's presidency is the people that try to find all of these ways he's actually in a secret organization or that he's actually not a US citizen, because they just can't come out and say they hate him, because he's black.
kcall123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom's a racist and a bit of a homophobe and I definitely remember repeating some of the things she would say in school. As I got older I distanced myself from her for different reasons and realized that a lot of the stuff she would say (especially when drunk) were really fucked up. I'm from a predominantly white town in MA (the same area she grew up in) but lived in the south for the second part of my childhood.
I'm sure people have called her out on her racism before but I don't think she realizes that she's a racist. She honestly thinks that none of the things she says would offend other people. Obviously when she's called out she will deny it to the very end.
Also from being a liberal in conservative family and living in the south, I see way too much casual racism that these people will never see how fucked that is
Fuqwon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama has "smelly weird skin."
To be fair, it is pretty weird to naturally smell of cherry blossoms and fresh baked cookies.
LeodFitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! That sounds like a really, really awkward conversation! I get that you didn't do it in an accusing way, but holy crap, I kind of wish I had pictures of their faces during those conversations!
Empigee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother, a decade or two ago, was a Teacher's Aide at the inner city (Philadelphia) parochial elementary school I attended, helping out with a Pre-First Grade class (basically advanced Kindergarten. She would hear a number of 5 or 6 year old kids repeating the most racist jokes that you just knew they heard from their parents.
ender___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always said, my children are a reflection of me, a good amount of the good and bad things they do, are learned from me and their mom.
when Obama was running for president I had a sickening amount of students tell me that Obama has "smelly weird skin."
That seems to stretch back a ways. Thomas Jefferson wrote some sort of weird treatise on the difference between blacks and whites, and included this charming passage:
They secrete less by the kidneys, and more by the glands of the skin, which gives them a very strong and disagreeable odour.
(As if the slaves of Monticello were lounging about all day and neglecting countless opportunities to use the master's bathtub.)
DatPig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
someone's probably already explained this to you, but there's a crazy conservative conspiracy theory that obama and hillary clinton both smell like sulphur because they're demons. i don't think kids are saying that because of your race, their parents are probably just alex jones fans.
Bahamute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair though, there is some truth to that. People of different races have a different smelling natural musk.
I feel like even racists would say something more adult than "smelly weird skin". So it's like they're intentionally dumbing it down so the kids will understand. That's so fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao yes this is a strange website please join us
You mean 1 child heard it from their parents (or literally anywhere else) and started a playground rumor.
It boggles my mind when adults act like they never were children, yet here we are circlejerking the mentality that every individual parent of each child that made those remarks are racist pigs. I thought becoming an educator entailed having a shred of basic human psychology involved.
When Obama was running for reelection my daughter's school had a mock election. She was in K and had a bit of a speech problem. I asked her who she voted for and she said, "the darky". I asked her what she said and she repeated "the darky". I said "what!". And then she said, "not the elephant, the darky." And then I realized she was trying to say the donkey.
My FiL spent his early childhood super poor in rural AR. One of my wife's aunts is getting pretty senile and one time she was talking about how "black people have a smell". Granted, the only black people they knew were poorer than they were and likely didn't have indoor plumbing, which us what my FiL and his other siblings responded with.
We are white Canadians. When Obama won in 2008, my three and a half year old son heard the news on the radio and burst into tears. I asked why he was sad. He said that he had missed the election and didn't get to vote for him. We did some explaining.
Real talk though. I've noticed lots of black people smell different than white people but it may just have to do with the type of lotions they use or maybe everyone has a unique smell. Who knows. Just something I've noticed.
Should have told them that was his lotion so he dont get ashy
susinpgh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have anything to apologize for. Racism is a reality for all the brown peoples. And all the shades of woman.
Sam474 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a white parent with a black child in the south is a real trip too, especially since Obama won and the racism really came out. The number of people who say something racist to me and then meet my kid and backpedal themselves into an even worse position is just nuts. Even a few family members.
I would like to apologize for the bakwards nature of the south. However, I think that because of teachers like you. Teachers who stand up for what is right. The adults of tomorrow and the 20 somethings of today are far more progressive and accepting than many of their parents.
I find it rare among my generation to voice racist, homophobic, etc. thoughts. Those that do are more or less ostracized for it because it just isn't cool. The more people you hate the fewer friends you have.
Teachers like you are the best way to fight hand-me-down racism. I remember in first grade I made a comment about a black classmate to my friends (she was the first person of color my age I had ever really met) along the lines of "We shouldn't talk to her. She's black." My first grade teacher overheard and took me aside, asked me why I thought that way. The answer was that is how my parents taught me. She then gave a very calm, explanation of how it wasn't nice to treat people differently even if they looked different.
That conversation literally changed my life and I remember that day with such vividness and shame twenty years later.
Keep doing good work. There's a lot of people you can help.
Damn, it really is different here in the north. Back in '12 when I was in highschool, some girl got assaulted by a few guys because she said she supported Romney. They accused her of being a racist because she didn't support Obama. This is a school that was mostly minorities.
I can't imagine how bad anyone that supports Trump would have it. Romney was just a republican, Trump actually says things that can be interpreted as intolerant.
Once my kid told his teacher that I "run from the police all the time." When she asked me about it, looking like she was about to bolt- I had to explain my husband was a training officer and I helped out by being the "bad driver" coming through on new officers on occasion in a slow night to see how they would react, complete with cameras a permission to run...
Or maybe one kid said it because kids say the darnedest things and others repeated it because kids say the darnedest things and not everyone is racist?
Ok to be fair my kid says weird shit all the time. It's a strange mix of the NPR kids shows I let her watch and what she picks up from school and us.
Sometimes they are like parrots, but sometimes the stuff they are parroting comes from 2 or 3 sources at once.
So you knew exactly what those kids were talking about.
LuvBeer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find the smell of black people unpleasant, but are you going to deny that black people and white people have different odors? For diversity to work we have to be honest, not pretend that everyone is equal in every way.
Bahamute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are your thoughts on differences in intelligence between races?
I didn't think people in the US said "black" I thoguht they always said "African American"? Is that true or are you allowed to say "black" because you're black? I ask because in the UK you'd just say "black". We don't have the whole "African American" thing. If I ever go to the US would be a major faux pas to say black instead of African American? Can't imagine a situation where I'd have to say but its worth me checking.
No one says African American unless it is a formal setting
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:16:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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doom32x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, most blacks in this country aren't any more African than I am German or English. Now Barack Obama may actually be African American...I mean, his Dad was African.
Well of course you don't have the whole "african american" thing in the UK.... you're not "american." In the US we use this for all other minorities as well, like mexican american, asian american, etc. For the most part though, people just say black, mexican, hispanic, asian, middle eastern, etc
Yeah it must be, because nobody in real life has a problem with calling black people black.
bearssyy ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since all of the top posts are either "not a teacher" or "not elementary" I guess I will actually provide my own input on this one.
I teach 5th grade in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood. My kids are very traumatized by the racism running rampant in the Trump campaign. They talk daily about their concerns over the wall and how Trump wants to kick them and their families out of the country. We have a morning circle every morning where we share different things. 9 times out of 10 Trump is brought up in some way. The questions are simple, normal childlike things like "If you had three wishes from a genie, what would they be?" and these 10 year olds are wishing that Trump will not win. When I was 10 the first thing on my mind was getting a puppy, and it just breaks my heart that they don't have the luxury of that kind of childhood.
Did you tell them only people in illegally aren't welcome? Just seems like misguided worries.
H_Floyd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:53:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants and any brown people who speak Spanish will be lumped into the same category. They will be viewed with distrust and suspicion until their citizenship can be verified.
And even then, the distrust and suspicion will remain, just more guarded.
H_Floyd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:47:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's already happening. These are the kind of people you support when you support Trump. This is the kind of language you believe in when you support Trump. These people aren't just your brothers and sisters; these people are you.
If the parents are illegal and have to leave, they should be able to keep their family together.
bearssyy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:44 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow okay you have used both a red herring and a begging the question fallacy within 3 minutes so this is my time to exit. No point in even trying. Have a nice night.
Maybe finding coverage from 2 contrasting sources on the same event and examine how word choices and diction frame the events. Once they've seen a couple examples, have them try to spin an article themselves and see if they can change the perspective to the opposite.
Example:
Original headline: Local Campus Provides Free Healthcare and Medicine to Students
Spun headline: Local College Allegedly Using Donor Funding for Condoms and Methamphetamine Ingredients
It might be interesting to use it as an opportunity to talk about "the fourth estate." What is its informal function? Is it serving that function in the current election? Why or why not? Source: not a teacher but work at an American civics museum.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please be my teacher. Memes FeelsGoodMan
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also would talk about wiki leaks, which people seem to assume is unbiased, but is not. Assange really doesn't want Hillary to win because she has spoken out about him being extradited back to Sweden to face that rape charge. People act like he's Snowden, but he's not. But yeah, contrasting media views, both legit (NY Times vs. Wall St. Journal) and less legit, is a good way to go. How Trump basically became the nominee because he kept saying stuff that was clickbaitey. Also the interpretation of the media bias by Trump and his supporters is interesting, like how they threatened press at a really recently. Or how they covered Sanders and Clinton very differently.
In my opinion there is media bias for sure, but a healthy news diet consists of consuming a variety of data for more accurate results.
What I notice is that there is a few particular news stations ehem fox who a large part of their coverage is casing doubt upon other news that didn't agree with them.
Personal opinions aside, maybe a lesson would be writing up a variety of different heavily biased versions of a story (like a common folktale such as goldy locks and the three bears) and give them first only one or two versions and ask them to write an analysis about each of the characters.
Then divide them up and ask them to trade story versions and collaborate on an opinion.
Mediactive is a really good, free book online that's about developing your own guidelines of what news to trust and standards around it. Smart book but chapters of it would work well for students.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pardon me if you are already party to this, but I just want to make sure you know that there is a difference between memes and dank memes. I won't explain it, just google it but be aware - don't embarrass yourself in front of the keeds.
Who owns the media (Important is also how you find that out!), examples of propaganda , and if you can find it, show how an independent media covers events
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have your kids make a dank meme on a serious topic
That's not actually a bad idea, it would be light way to approach a serious topic. Plus it's something that they know of. I might be down for that as a fun topic ending exercise.
Can I recommend abstracting it a bit? Go historical. It's very hard to teach bias without teaching bias when it's something that will impact people (even if that impact is abstract for your students). Try making headlines about something older. For example make a headline from a British paper and an American paper about the American Revolution.
I had no idea the man existed at first having heard Santorum's other definition originally. I thought it was bizarre how anyone could be successful in politics with a name like that.
Not an elementary school teacher, but I work with middle school children (I am interning with a speech pathologist). One of my kids in 7th grade is Muslim, and he says that if Trump gets elected, he's going to get kicked out of the country because Trump is a "big fat meanie". He also says that Trump needs to come to speech class so that he can learn how not to interrupt people and work on his social/language skills.
bgeller ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:36:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, are you willing to teach Trump social/language skills?
The sad part is that most of my kids are far better behaved than he will ever be. And I'm seeing them for social and language issues secondary to autism to give you some perspective. We showed them footage of the first debate from a student friendly website, and they all said that it was cringe worthy.
17Hongo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a "big fat meanie"
Trump needs to come to speech class so that he can learn how not to interrupt people and work on his social/language skills.
Well, he's pretty much got the measure of him.
pfunny ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 16:46:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little cousin told me that trump wants to ban tacos
p0537 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:49:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can build the wall. You can send back immigrants. But banning tacos? Now you've crossed the line.
Thameus ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:01:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is on record as being in favor of grabbing tacos.
CptNoble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Trump Tower has the best taco bowls, believe me. People are saying it.
[deleted] ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 16:14:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a white male teaching kindergarten in an elementary school with close to 100% African American enrollment. A student recently touched my hair and my skin and told me I was white.
I said "yes I am".
She replied with," I don't like white people"
Upon asking her why she told me because Donald trump said all black people
Should go back to Africa. I asked her if she didn't like me. She shrugged and gave me a face as if saying she made a bit of a generalization.
I hope she learned at least something from the conversation.
You could have added with a big smile, "I want you to know that I like you." She's just a little kid and probably feels kind of threatened by Trump and wasn't quite sure what to make of you!
Yes, but she's a small fucking child and clearly might not fully understand what he wants. She just knows that he hates people and I imagine at 5 that's kind of terrifying. At 32 I think he is scary.
My point is that hating people doesn't make you scary.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hating people and being a mouthpiece that encourages other people to hate who you hate does make a person scary. When he's promoting violence and all but committing treason in the legal definition of the term, Trump is not someone that belongs in a leadership role for this country.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did I say 'defending the second amendment'? No. I'm talking about his rallies, where he was encouraging violence. You can deny all you'd like that it happened, but I don't go in for that 1984 kind of bullshit.
I'm talking about his rallies, where he was encouraging violence.
He's not a terrorist. He isn't telling people to shoot each other willy-nilly. I recall him wanting to punch someone before, but are we really going to let ourselves get consumed by that, rather then say, Hilary Clintion perplexed as to why Jullian Assange can't just be droned.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:04 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I think you need to stop reading things that aren't there, in my responses to you. This will be my last one, anyway. But just so you can see it more clearly?
I did not call Trump a terrorist.
I wasn't talking at all about Hillary, that's a separate matter. I think it's beyond ridiculous at this point, that when someone mentions one of Trump's very blatant shortcomings, the response from Trump-supporters and Trump himself is "WELL, LOOK AT WHAT HILLARY DID."
I. Don't. Care.
I didn't say she was some kind of almighty angel, did I? This entire discussion had nothing to do with her, though.
Well you should care, because you're naive if you don't. Best to look at both sides before making a decision.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:25 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... I said I wasn't going to reply, but I am. There's no polite way to tell you to shut the hell up, so I'll just tell you to shut the hell up. You have no concept of anything real, you live in conclusions.
Kapjak ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the OP was talking about that black girl and how she hates white people. (that is racist) and I would send them to russia in an ideal world. See if they can get away with that sort of liberal cucktavism over there.
I see. What about racist whites and racist Asians? I suppose sending racist whites to a predominantly black nation would be best by your logic, but I wonder where we should deport racist Asians to?
I think he's saying, send all racists to places where the majority is the race they hate. Kind of hold hands until you get along sorta parental policy. I think it's elegant. Lol
Wells its either hold hands till you get along or get some sense knocked into you. Sorta thing. Not that i support child abuse... I support adult abuse tho. lol.
Exactly. Send racist whites to a ghetto or a black country. And well tbf racist Asians do not really exist. But if an Asian is racist just send them to a community they are racist against. (which will not tolerate their bigotry)
My mother-in-law is a special needs teacher at an elementary school in Ohio with a very diverse student body -- lots of immigrants from all over the world. She had one student (age 8-9) who's Muslim tell her that he was worried that Donald Trump was going to make him leave the U.S. because people kept saying Trump was an "erase-us" (actual term=racist). Kids sometimes don't realize how poignant they can be.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the long term, Donald being racist or erase-us will soon be the same thing.
MrsArrum ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I was in a pediatric clinical as a elementary school nurse two weeks ago. A little girl who happens to be a Muslim of African descent grabs my hand and asks who I am voting for. I did not want to get in trouble for influencing the politics of a child so I ask her who she thinks I should vote for. She said "you need to vote for Hillary Clinton because Trump is a racist who does not want me in our country."
I can only imagine how scary and confusing it is for a kid to see adults clamoring for her and her family to be forced out of the country. You grow up thinking that you are safe as long as you are with your parents. You grow up thinking there are rules that prevent bad things from happening. And then the election rolls around and you get a glimpse behind that curtain that your parents are also scared and some of the bad people are also the people who are making the rules and they don't care if you're safe at all.
I never said it would solve anything If I did, but just that I would probably do it if I met him. Although that's a bit of a hyperbole itself. I'd probably just cuss him out or something.
Samcc42 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:02:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian elementary teacher here (grade 6/7 - elementary is k-7 in my district). Trump is now a part of everything my kids do.
They use him in examples in spelling lessons - "Terrified, T-E-R-R-I-F-I-E-D. Terrified. My family is terrified of the possibility of Trump winning the election."
One fairly religious student recently pointed out his hypocrisy in running as a conservative (she couldn't remember the name of the party) when he has so many children by so many women. Another used him as an example of how we don't treat others (cited the Rosie O'Donnell thing). This all came out in a discussion about how we treat others and living by your principles.
I do a twisted fairy tale assignment, in which students are asked to take an established fairy tale, and twist the ending, change the perspective or add characters to change the overall meaning. I have 2 examples from this.
One kid wrote a variation on Hansel and Gretel called Pedro and Maria about 2 kids (American citizens - Mexican grandparents, she stressed) from a low income household who are promised wealth by an orange man living in a gold house. Short version: he locks them up in the basement, they die there, and are forgotten.
Another student worked with Rapunzel. The trump character is the witch here too. He cuts off rapunzel's golden hair, it turns brown, he declares her worthless and a loser, and leaves her in the tower.
I want to stress that I have actively discouraged all of this, but I also don't want to stifle the kids' creativity, so they're still getting full credit.
Why discourage it? It sounds really creative on their end. I wish my undergrad students came up with stuff that good.
Samcc42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh the stuff they're creating is brilliant. I just need to be cautious about any kind of obvious approval of a particular political ideology. Parents get pretty angry pretty fast when they learn their kid's teacher is a ______________.
I did a Donald Trump themed Rumpelstiltskin fractured fairy tale where she had to spin Trump's bad comb over into gold in 7th grade.
Which was in 2005.
Samcc42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah! That's awesome! You'd have fit right in with the group I have now.
Tayz_ ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 20:18:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grandfather is pro-Trump. He is talking about ways to make Hillary release her E-mails, and that she must have been hiding top secret information that she was pedaling to other people.
Little cousin says "if they are worried that she was going to give away top secret stuff, why do they want to show it to all of America? Sounds like they don't know what they are doing."
"I don't want to be Trump, I am better than Trump, I am the best Trump, ask the principal, he tells me "These kids are in a bad place and only you can fix it." It's true, so true, I write the best discipline notices and make the best tests."
"So...am I in trouble?"
"Bigly."
jsmoo68 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:48:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I caught my 4 yo and 7 yo nieces crying the other day. When I asked what was wrong, they told me they were scared if Donald Trump becomes president, their chihuahua would be sent back to Mexico. So sweet and naive, but crushed my heart.
FridaCat ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 17:10:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school teacher here - My students (mostly Latino and from immigrant families) are very afraid of Donald Trump. Even the ones who were born here are afraid that he will try to send them "back." All my students think he is very racist, sexist, and anti-immigrant. They call him a ugly and mean. It has really affected how we teach the election because it is impossible to present the two sides.
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FridaCat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean that there is so much emotion tied up in it for my students. They are very afraid of him and really hate him. It is hard for them to get into a mindset to even objectively understand or accept the Republican point of view.
Xerodo ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 16:38:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last year I had an ELL (English Language Learning) reading group of elementary schoolers, all first grade and all Hispanic. One of the little girls was really unfocused. It was clear something was bothering her and she was almost on the verge of tears most of the day.
I finally get the chance to talk to her one on one towards the end of the day and she asks me, in the cutest little kid voice you can think of, "Is Donald Trump going to take my mom and dad away?"
I told her no, and said things would be okay, but it was hard not to say more than that.
My mom was actually deported and it tore my family apart. I remember I was scared throughout my life beforehand and I feel really bad these kids are worrying about that.
Not a teacher, but an involved dad. On a field trip with my daughter's second grade class I overheard her talking with friends about who they would vote for.
The girls were legit worried about Donald Trump sending one of the friends in their group away because her family is from a primarily muslim country. After they all said they would rather have Hillary because of this I assured them that I didn't think Trump would win and that even if he did win the President doesn't have the power to do that.
After they all settled down a little another chaperone stated that she was voting for Trump but didn't want to see anyone sent away. My daughter responded with, "Well if you vote for him Natasha has to leave. So it sounds like you want her to leave but are embarrassed to say it."
The mother looked horrified. The teacher was beaming. And I? Well, my heart fandangoed with joy.
mutatron ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:22:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One morning on the way to school earlier this year my 10 year old told me we needed to move back to Japan (my wife is JPN and I'm American) if Trump becomes president. I asked her why she would think that.
Well, if you're not white, Trump says you're not American and is going to kick you out. Wouldn't it be easier if we all went back with mommy now instead of wait for it to happen?
There's a difference between racism and xenophobia. Plus, that's not the impression my mixed race, bilingual children have when they go back to Japan every year.
They experienced way more targeted racism being of mixed ethnicities when we lived in Florida than they ever have in Japan.
The school I work at is around 98% Hispanic and one of my second grade students was crying last year because she heard Trump was going to, "send her parents away."
back9 ยท -34 points ยท Posted at 17:17:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, if Mom and Dad aren't here legally, they should go. Feel bad for the kid.
Say that to every subreddit doing circlejerk for the president dedicated to. And to any politics realted subreddit... AAAAND practically most of reddit
Both my parents are ESL teachers in elementary schools in rural NC where there are a lot of undocumented families. They have had MULTIPLE kids say they are scared that man will win for president and will send them back to their country. My mom had a girl come crying one day because her mom had said just that and she really really didn't want to. They also have had kids who ask them"why does trump not like us?" And they scariest one of all "why does Trump want to kill us?"
There is a lot of fear in the community.
[deleted] ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Often children are actually citizens but their parents aren't. Do you send the parents back and leave the kid alone in their house/ apartment? You can't deport an American citizen and the children never committed any crime.
Their parents should have thought of that before breaking the law. What other crimes are we not going to punish because the criminal has a family? Being a parent shouldn't be a literal get out of jail free card.
I work at a school which is about 80% Hispanic. One of my students told me that he was scared of Trump got elected his parents would be kicked out.
Another told me that he hates Trump because he says all Mexicans "R-A-PE" (like he spelled it out for me)
I honestly hate Trump even more now because of how much it is affecting my students. Some are genuinely worried about something they shouldn't even be thinking about, others feel discouraged because if that's what someone who might run the country thinks of them, then what's the point in being better (another quote from a 4th grader)
We're doing a vote at my school and out of the 3 classes that have voted (just the 5t graders) it's ALL Hillary and no Trump. I've heard no mention as to the students thought on Hillary just how much they are scared of Trump.
They shouldn't. If they came to the country legally they have nothing to worry about at all. If they came illegally, they should't be consuming services that cost our taxpayers money.
One of my close friends teaches at a charter school in Minneapolis that's mostly black with a large muslim population. She's said the exact same thing with her kids.
nermid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:23:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
others feel discouraged because if that's what someone who might run the country thinks of them, then what's the point in being better
This is one of the saddest things I've read in a long time.
A 1st a student whose parents are from Central America wrote "Cinderella's stepsisters remind me of Donald Trump because he wants to make my parents go back where they came from." Exact words.
What really sad about that is how many people support those opinions of his. I don't think he actually even feels that way. He just has the support of the people that think that way and he's catering to them.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, but we tend to play fairly fast and loose with the word "half". It has become synonymous with "a few". Think about how we use it. "Half the politicians out there have their heads up their asses" or "Half the time I don't know what I'm doing" In both those examples, half doesn't literally mean 50%. It means "enough that it's a thing".
But it's this bickering over nonsense semantics that is stifling actual discussion on shit like "What should we do about Syria?" "What is TPP and is it good for the US?" "Are we going to war with Russia?"
Instead we waste all of our energy arguing over whether Donald said "they're" or "their", and whether Hillary literally meant half.
Well for the record, they have been asked those kinds of questions and all we get are cryptic, bullshit political answers. I don't think either one is particularly concerned with the welfare of this country.
Edit: Also I'm not sure how you can just gloss over all the other crazy shit Trump has said like about how the second amendment people could "do something" to stop Hillary.
I viewed that as metaphorical, like when people refer to countries as people.
So what would be more accurate is, "Mexicans are sending themselves to the US illegally and a significant amount of them are rapists, murderers, and drug dealers".
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."
It's not "all Mexicans are rapists," but it is "Mexicans being sent (?) to the USA are rapists."
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sorry but you hate Trump only because him wanting to enforce immigration law is scaring the children of illegals???
You should hate their parents for involving their children in their criminal activity. If I took my kid with me to rob a bank i'm sure he'd be scared when the police took me to jail. It doesn't mean its the police's fault.
wagon153 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 16:52:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't believe they said that their children's parents were illegals...
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wagon153 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:55:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they are children. All they hear is that Trump wants to deport the mexicans.
[deleted] ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 17:03:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's not Trump's fault. That's the corporate backed, Hillary-loving media.
wagon153 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:04:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not blaming either Trump or Hillary here for it. I'm just explaining why they are afraid. I'm not trying to say there's any semblance of truth in it.
[deleted] ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 17:27:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh i see. Also, why am i being downvoted? Do people ACTUALLY believe he said he's going to deport all mexicans? lmfaoooooo.
You get the government you deserve. No US citizen has any right to bitch about the candidates we have.
Ah, yes. I forgot how much fifth graders watch the news.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to their parents that watch the news. Certain sentiments are then trickled down to the children based on what the parents say/how they think. It's not that hard a process to follow smartass cunt.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:35:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Only 40% of illegals are visa overstays. And Mexico isn't even the top country among visa overstays. That means the vast majority of Mexicans illegally crossed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even if we look at the 5 or 10% who are visa overstays. They broke the law.. ok we can use the term lawbreaker for them. They didn't do what they are supposed to do. they took advantage of our hospitality and our kindness. And they need to go. If their children are scared they only have themselves to blame.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Maybe we should just return all the territory that we got from Mexico to Mexico and be done with it.
thats it, there it is. The hispanic supremacist movement that wants to remove all white people from the southwest. Thats why so many hispanics and racist groups like La Raza think they don't have to follow US law. Because they don't accept white sovereignty over that part of the US.
We won the war you started and Its ours now and the US is a multiethnic nation. If you're still mad about it then leave.
I hope you're ready for the huge increase in the price of food once all the illegals are gone cause you can bet no American is going to do that hard of work in the field for that little money.
1 I hate him for multiple other reasons such as being a rapist.
2 just because some of my students parents came to the US to get their children a better life doesn't mean they involving them in crimson life? Seriously.... all these parents are the hardest working people I've met plus not even all of them are illegals they just hear that he is going to round up Mexicans and send them away. They're children they don't need to have that in their life whether they are illegal or not and not surprisingly I don't know the legal status of all my students.
Good hating him for being a disgusting sexual predator is actually a valid reason.
And yes it is. They had children in a place they are legally not allowed to be. That means they involved their children. And being hard working is irrelevant. They are criminals. Lots of criminals are hard working. And if they aren't illegal why are they afraid? Trump has never said anything about deporting US citizens. He never said anything about deporting Mexican Americans. Its still their parents fault for lying to their children in that case.
Because they're children and just hearing they are hated in a country based off their nationality is hard to hear. They're also scared they won't ever be able to go to Mexico and see their family there again because of the wall.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never said anything about women letting him touch them, he just said that he can do anything he wants including grabbing them by the pussy. That is blatant sexual assault.
They should blame the parents and media spin instead.
The commercials on nowadays are getting quite ridiculous, with every half second sound clip taken out of context, strung together to make some mean sounding thing for kids to hear.
Edit: Nice downvotes CTR
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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iburnaga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think they are assuming that they are undocumented because said parents are afraid of deportation. Common fear for undocumented immigrants.
Maybe you should tell your kids about what Obama and Clinton are doing to innocent civilians and children in countries around the world to carry out their geopolitical interests. That's more scary than Trump being politically incorrect.
Allegedly. But keep focusing on that instead of Obama supporting a regime that just blew up 140 people. Or the CIA killing citizens with unauthorized drone strikes. Or Clinton making false rape claims against an government to promote propaganda against them.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:53:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Trump said mean things to women!
Lejkahh ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:19:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, Trump is a vulgar person saying a lot of dumb shit. But never has he said that all mexicans rape people, he said that the essence of crime, drugs and rape enters the country from illegal immigrants in different amounts. He should've said "They bring in crime, drugs and rape" (which still is a very bold sentence, yet a bit more relevant to the issue) instead of "They're rapists", but I'm quite sure that what he meant is that there are a lot of reported rape cases around illegal immigrants. Again, not defending the way he said it, but If these kids were to listen to what Trump said without the media "reconstructing" his sentence or falsely telling them what he wants to do, they wouldnt be so scared. Just my 2 cents.
I know he didn't say it outright but again these are children they hear "Mexicans being rape and crime" and then it becomes "all Mexicans are rapists and criminals" it's similar but yes not EXACTLY what he said though close enough for the students to think that and start taking it to heart.
Lejkahh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not any of us agree or disagree with the immigration policies of Trump, how do you want him to adress problems if you don't want kids hearing it because it might reach them negatively?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Only partially relevant, but back in 08 in elementary school in a swing state, it was April and during the primaries. The teacher asked who would you vote for in government class. About half McCain half Obama and like 2 Hillary. After class the students that chose Hillary got intimidated because apparently she wanted to ban video games.
[deleted] ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 17:08:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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_Atem_ ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:24:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woooow! That's incredibly absurd and sad. How are these parents so, so misinformed...
I'm from Oklahoma. Shit like this makes me so happy that i no longer live there. When I had fb (which I had to delete due to my family's terrible political posts) I would sometimes post news stories about Oklahoma fucking up, in lots of different ways. Eventually friends and family started asking me "not to talk down on Oklahoma". Nah, sorry. I bitched about the same stuff when I lived there, and I won't stop now. The place is backwards.
17Hongo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually friends and family started asking me "not to talk down on Oklahoma"
Maybe you were just talking about Oklahoma, and it's just that bad?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, that kid is delusional. Fuck her parents for teaching her to hate religons she had never even heard of
Yes, exactly. But that doesn't mean this child is hateful now. Perhaps later on, but now now.
ladyclare ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 15:31:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary school, but I teach a three-year-old preschool class...
The one day at circle, after one of my kids told me an obvious lie ("I didn't hit him," even though I'd clearly just witnessed that happen), I was telling the class why it's important to tell the truth.
I was saying, "We don't lie to teachers. We don't lie to mommies and daddies. We don't lie to friends."
Just then, one of my kids pipes up with, "But Donald Trump lies," so matter-of-factly, in his sweet little three-year-old voice, and it was so hard not to react/laugh!
It's sad that children are consumed by the election too. I was born in 84, and the first election I actually remember is Bush vs Clinton in 92. I only remember it happening, not any details like "so and so lies".
The fact that 3 year olds know this and aren't just focused on being kids is astounding.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same here and i barely remember it
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:11:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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graphix62 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh tell them it is 't so bad they will at least know english and can get a job at a nice hotel in their parents country.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:41:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son said "I'm scared if Trump wins because he hates Mexicans and we're Mexican".
calowyn ยท 321 points ยท Posted at 15:04:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was subbing last year the girls in my elementary school largely peer pressured each other into liking Hillary, they found her the most qualified. The boys all loudly liked Trump for the shock value but when actually asked to think critically would write down Hillary in Civics essays.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:37:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this should be higher up. This is the closest to how I think this election will play out.
calowyn ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 16:55:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a co-ed school, with single gender classrooms, and if you think young boys act out for the attention of their female classmates, you've never seen young boys act out for the attention of their male classmates, that's all I'm saying. They all wanted to be the most shocking.
This seems to be pretty universal. Boys love acting out for the shock value, or to see the reaction from people. It's like we are all naturally born trolls and most grow out of that phase.
yumyum36 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:05:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I still feel Johnson will take a couple states.
PavelYay ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:09:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well... I live in Washington (Seattle area) and I like to walk places. You'd think that I'd see lots of "Vote ____ 2016" signs in people's yards, but nope, I've only seen 2 in the last few weeks, both for Johnson. Judging by this statistic, Johnson will take Washington, which will coincidentally have an astronomically low voter turn out this year. Which seems about right.
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calowyn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, where I am (swing state), most Hillary voters have given up putting out signs, as they're almost immediately stolen or defaced.
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calowyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just too contentious on both sides to wear your political affiliation out in your yard.
What states do you think Johnson has a chance of winning?
yumyum36 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Utah and New Mexico.
Utah has Trump and Clinton at 26% each in the polls with the rest being taken by third party candidates. It has McMullin polling at 22% and Johnson at around 14%. I'm interested in whether McMullin or Johnson will overtake here.
New Mexico has Johnson at about 24% currently, and is starting to be shown on political maps as having a possibility of turning gold.
If Johnson/McMullin can take a couple states, I think there's a chance neither Hillary nor Trump can get a full 270.
notLOL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Learning to lie about who you vote for during graded essays. Reminds me of me.
I've done essays bashing violence in music, games and tv. I bashed ninja turtles in 3rd grade in an essay. Splinter forgive me.
nermid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Splinter forgive me.
Splinter always forgives.
SSAZen ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:42:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid came home asking to put a Trump sign in the yard I asked why and she said that she heard on the bus Clinton was going to make them have school Saturdays.
minigogo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the kind of shit I remember from the 2000 election, except it was banning all video games instead of school on Saturdays.
One of my 5th graders who I will refer to as "Trump Kid" believes that Hillary contracted AIDs from her husband who contracted it from magic Johnson.
I was teaching the class about the rain shadow effect and how mountains act as a natural barrier for rain clouds to which he replies, "oh like the wall and the illegals!"
He also believes that the liberals infiltrated the texas government to ban dodge ball in the public school system.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if something has changed in the last ~10 years, but I definitely played dodgeball in a Texas public school, just not with the big red rubber balls, we used foam ones.
My daughter had a pretty good one. We were watching news coverage of the election in the Netherlands. I didn't think my kids were listening but my oldest was...My daughter informed me that he would make a very bad president because kitties don't like it when you just walk up and grab them. That's mean to them and a good way together bitten and scratched. She would never vote for someone who was mean to kitties. They are her favorite, real animal!
[deleted] ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 16:00:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I have a 4 year old. Out of nowhere the other day he asks if we have ever heard of "Donald Trunk". I asked if he knew who that was and he said yes. I asked what he thought of him and he said he is bad because he does whatever he wants. He also added that Donald Trunk is a little fart. I guess we have the same view on politics.
oz6702 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:38:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I take offense at that. His farts are tremendous, folks, just tremendous. They're yuge. Some of the largest and healthiest farts ever seen in a human, in fact - as his doctor would be more than happy to tell you.
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"trump" does mean "fart", I suppose.
theanj92 ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 15:39:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at an after school program, and during outside time this group of at the time 4th grade boys would play the "Donald Trump Game" where they would just start running around like chickens with heads cut off, desperately yelling, "DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! WE'RE ALL DONE FOR!" And the kid who was "Donald" would chase them and if he tagged them with a ball they dramatically "died." They're smart kids haha xD
yshuduno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least they weren't grabbing the girls by the pussy.
Asked my 5 year old nephew if he knew who Donald Trump was.
The president
Who's Barrack Obama?
realizing his mistake
uhhhhhh
Who's Hillary Clinton?
A jerk
gingbabe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:55:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple students in my 2nd grade class were very concerned that Trump wasn't going to let them see their family (in Mexico) anymore and another was on the verge of tears because he believed Trump was going to bomb his family in Mexico.
My 5 year old was on pbskids.org the other day and they were holding a mock election of a cartoon version of Trump and Clinton. I she'd vote for, and she pointed at Trump and said, "Well, he's more silly." And she voted for him, base d purely on silliness factor.
ema1237 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:38:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary kids seem to hate Trump because "he wants to send all the Mexicans back" and middle school kids don't like Hillary because "she's ugly." So very sound arguments.
bufftart ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:06:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats why they dont vote...
ema1237 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i have better political discussions with 12 year olds than 30 year olds, why are all children discussed here stupid, or portrayed as such? i live in georgia, by the way.
ema1237 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because kids say dumb things? Perhaps you should ask everyone else on this thread what they think too..
Not a teacher, but the other day my 7 year son told me not to vote for Trump. When I asked why he said he saw a video on youtube where he was making fun of someone and he was very mean. He said that kind of guy shouldnt be president.
I gotta say regardless of politics I was really proud of my son for thinking that bullying (to him he saw it as bullying) shouldnt be rewarded. The kid watched video game videos on youtube all the time, Im dying to know how he came across that one.
Listen, I rarely talk politics, and I dont think I ever have in front of my kids. It was one of the reasons I was kinda taken aback. I didnt know my son even knew who Donald Trump was. That being said, Im not some super Hillary supporter. I think shes a shitbag, along with Trump. I honestly feel like I dont have a dog in the fight, so theres no reason for me to go crazy trying to brainwash my kids who they should or shouldnt support for president. Thats something they will have to learn how to do on their on when they are old enough. It wowed me because its something he completly came up with on his own. Thats why I asked what he was talking about and where he got it. Because I dont want my kids teachers telling them who is worthy for president and who isnt.
shronts ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:33:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"More like Donald DUMP!!"
cue entire class scream-laughing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in an after school program to different grade levels. For the most part, middle and high school students have treated Donald Trump as a meme. His name is basically an absurdist punchline that they use for laughs or for shock value. Though at the same time, a lot of them openly call BS on on his media coverage being a little unfair despite not liking him and his policies. A good amount hate Hillary too now that I think about it... I guess they're quickly becoming jaded to our political system.
The elementary students, on the other hand, are hysterical. I don't know if it's parents, their teachers, or playground banter fueled by what they overhear on the TV, but Trump is a James Bond villain. I've heard that Trump is vowing to delete the internet. I've heard that he's going to deport all Asians (I teach in a predominantly Asian area in California). I've also heard that he's going to take away our pets.
So yeah. Fun stuff.
yshuduno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:26:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His name is basically an absurdist punchline
He IS an absurdist punchline.
Jahobi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:16:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher, but a coach to elementary school kids. One kid said if he could have one superpower, he would shapeshift into Donald Trump and kill himself.
My son had to write a sentence in school using the word "loan." His sentence read,"Donald Trump got a small loan of a million dollars, but he still can't afford my vote!"
Not elementary School, but I teach middle school in a pretty urban area. The kids generally tend to spew out whatever they hear from their parents, due to my location that tends to be Pro Hilary and Anti Trump opinions. I got tired of hearing ridiculous and horribly incorrect information from the kids last year (regarding trump and Clinton,) so I've made it a point to incorporate the election within my classes. They've been taught to be impartial and have been researching and learning about both campaigns and both of the candidates. Now they at least have an educated opinion on each candidate and can defend their opinions, as opposed to when they just had the wild claims that they heard from friends and family.
I'm not a teacher, but my boyfriend has a younger sister in the second grade. The other day she was looking over my shoulder as I was on Facebook. Donald Trump was one of the trending topics listed at the top right of the page. She spots his name and explains in a very calm manner, "I know Donald Trump. He is one of the clowns going around killing people on the roads." Somehow, she and her classmates merged Donald Trump with the media coverage on the recent clown sightings.
This has nothing to do with the elections, but I still remember in the 7th grade our teacher was going over the history of Israel. After explaining how they've managed to come out alive after all the war, she asks us-
"And they've managed to survive because who's on their side?"
I answer knowingly "The US."
She shakes her head and points her finger at the sky and some bemused kid next to me says "God".
Whatever, Ms. Vickory. God's not giving billions of dollars to Israel in military aid.
Once I hit about 6th grade, I started entirely tuning out teachers when god became the topic, unless it was a religion study. If you can't yourself separate church and state, the state being the one that signs your damn check twice a month, I have no reason to respect you as an educator. You can be a Sunday school teacher one day and a history teacher the next, and be entirely unbiased one way or the other.
rawzhar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:53:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary School in San Francisco here. Majority Asian students at our school. I have heard things from all grade levels about the election:
Kindergartener to me, "Hillary Clinton will win because ALL of New York city voted for her TWICE!"
4th grader shouting in class (he has a little lack of social skills), "oh let's give the ladies a chance for once!! Come on!!! Hillary!! Let's give her a CHAAAAANCE!"
4th grade class in general LOVES to talk about Trump, a number of Asian students have openly talked about how they are scared of him because he hates them, would want to deport them, that he's racist, that he's going to destroy the world etc.
2nd grade class informed me that if I voted for Trump you were a bad person according to their parents.
First grade teacher here. Politics never really comes up in the primary grades but when it does most agree that they are both bad and mean. They are wise beyond their years.
As a camp counselor this summer for a lot of second graders, they have said some very harsh stuff about trump. Usually Hitler and Satan comparisons and they would say how he should die.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:46:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After reading this thread for a little while, I'm starting to think the motherfucker does need to die because the damage he's doing is real.
My (ethnically diverse) students in 5th and 6th grade had a mock election with all their teachers, with ballot issues and everything. Hillary won by a landslide. The kids repeat what Trump says (they are very aware), laughing at and sarcastically mocking the things that come out of his mouth. They think his ideas are insane. They call him D Tizzle. They know.
In elementary school during the mock election when it was bush v kerry because my parents and all my friends were voting for Bush but I wanted to vote for kerry because he wanted to protect the environment. They actually wrote an article in the local paper about me or at least I think they did. I'll ask my mom if she still has it and post a pic when I get home. as promised a ling names censored for anonymity
jsmoo68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
D Tizzle!! Love it!
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:46:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom teaches first grade and one of the quietest kids, who usually sits near the teachers table, overheard my mom and her fellow teachers talking about Trump and Clinton. Well this little girl raised her hand, my mom asked her what she needed and the girl replied, "We're all fucked." And then she continued to eat her lunch.
One of the students I work with was crying the other day, inconsolable. When i finally found out what was wrong, he stated that his best friend said if Trump wins, he's moving to Canada.
It took a while, but we finally convinced him that his friend was speaking in hyperbole, and that his family isn't going to actually move (although they might like to).
We hear shit about Trump daily. He's very unpopular at my (uber liberal) school. It's hilarious.
I teach middle and high school and have a 12 year-old. Now, i do live in a blue state in a diverse community. My observation is that all the kids HATE Trump and are legit scared of him being president. They're worried about climate change and while a few know that Hillary is no angel on that charge, they're all aware that Trump is a denier. They're upset by his views on women (my son, who is kept to a very high standard in terms of respecting his mom) is most angry at Trump for that, as are the girls. Since my son's best buddy is a Muslim immigrant and some of his other friends are Hispanic, he's none too thrilled with Trump on those fronts, either. To my very white upper-class and artsy students, the biggest problems are how Trump treats women and LGBQT people. One of the kids at my small school is trans and the other kids love him, so that shapes their views.
I would have said that they were just parroting their parents maybe six, seven months ago, but at this point Trump's arguments are so terrible and his behavior so abhorrent, that any 12 year-old who is paying attention, as my son and students are, can make up their minds about him. Hillary is more complex.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's middle and high school where I teach. My trans students, and I have had several, have all come out pretty late in high school or first year of college. But there are trans kids at any age. In my experience, toddlers are aware of gender. By middle school, I'm pretty sure we all know what gender/sex we are. So a child who feels confused about that at that age should probably be listened to, at the very least.
Outside of a value judgement, it's an indication of a rapidly changing world that a middle/high-school student who identifies as trans can have that identity respected by teachers and peers.
That's true, and that identity is not only respected by his peers: it's fiercely defended by them. When I slip and say "she," because this is my third year teaching him but only his first year out as a boy, they leap to his defense. Kids are not complicated: they look around and see people they like being treated badly, and they see no reason for that, and so they get mad about it. I often think we could all learn from that simple way of viewing the world a little bit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:16:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There's pretty much no need to care about anything that isn't causing you direct physical harm."
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Although it's a new thing, you are suppose to skip the "surprised" stage of finding out it happens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relax. I live in a country where the majority of the population is against homosexuality,so this is surprising to me.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying how lgbtq see it. I walk on egg shells in California. Doing it for informational value not to prove you wrong
Moirawr ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:34:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sometimes I feel like I'm in the twilight Zone when batshit insane things like this are said completely seriously.
Guess what, sex is a medical fact that cannot be changed by wishful thinking. As a woman I might have endometriosis because of my sex, not a subjective feeling. www.sexandgenderintro.com
I mean be honest, at 17 were you unsure about your sex? Of course not because that is ridiculous.
This so-called concept of gender is the same old sexism in a new liberal package.
Or it's not. Or it's biological and he will be fine if we let him figure himself out without constraining him to our own expectations. You could just relax and not worry about it. He's happier. His friends and parents and teachers don't have an issue with it. By college no one will be able to tell he was ever a girl unless he strips in class. He's totally okay. You're totally okay. Weirdly, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
I take it you have never actually spoken to a trans person, or at least don't know any trans people personally? Because it's their actual lives you're talking about, not just some ideological stance.
As you should. His life is an endless trial of kind people, compassion, soccer, video games, good schools and friends... every night, he weeps that his peers aren't being forced to conform to gender norms. It's heartbreaking, truly. One of the great conundrums of our time.
It sounds awesome, and it probably is awesome, as long as he is kept within a very tight little bubble. Post-puberty, and venturing outside of that bubble... he is fucked.
Idk, maybe if you can manage to never allow him to develop a libido, and have him live at home and never go outside of the little bubble he will live some sort of happy life.
My son is not trans, or gay. The trans kids I've taught have handled high school and college just fine. They are thriving. Having relationships. Making friends. Succeeding. The world will fuck us all. No one needs a bubble, even nice straight white boys. Relax and let people figure out their own shit. We all do.
I mean..that seems like pretty shit parenting to me. Might you not wish to give your kid life advice that would help them navigate the world?
My parents were pretty similar, and it has lead to pretty horrible situations of varying degrees for me and my two brothers. In my case, I managed to do alright by finding out some hard truths early on my own, but one of my brothers has been hugely set back, and the other has been so messed up that he is on government disabilities.
I mean sure, leave it all up to chance if you want. But seeing the firsthand results of this kind of parenting still makes me feel sorry for the kids. Some people out there actually have parents that give them life advice from an early age. I admit, I am envious of those people, as any of them I've met appear to be doing far better than the kids like me, and my brothers, and other people I've met.
Despite every media outlet proclaiming that being a white male's have the easiest lives in the world while simultaneously proclaiming them as the most evil human beings on the planet, I've not found it to be terribly true. Without a parent to step in and combat that propaganda self-hatred becomes easily internalized. I have seen a lot of messed up kids...and you can't even talk about it because suggesting white male kids might have problems is considered the epitome of racism and sexism.
You ever notice how even on Reddit "Nice Guys" get massacred? Nice Guys are developed in ultra-liberal bubbleworlds like your son is growing up in...it's not a certainty, but that's the kind of environment that breeds it. And those guys end up socially crippled, rightly so in reality; but they've been told their sexuality is evil, and that treating women nicely all the time no matter what, worshipping them because all women are amazing at everything at all times, is the only ethical way to interact with women, so really, it's hard to tell what the adults raising these kids expected? That's just one poignant example of what raising your son in such an environment without guidance could do to him.
Now sure, you might say "we're all fucked" etc... but realistically the lack of parental guidance combined with the choice to raise the kid in that bubble set the kid up for a lifetime of pain and misery potentially. If I were a parent I like to think I would at least TRY to prevent that kind of fate for my kid... But I understand most parents have this attitude of "ah fuck 'em, they gotta figure shit out for themselves". Well...both approaches are legal.
Still, I feel sorry for these kids because I've met so many that are completely fucked in life thanks to this kind of parenting style. It's rough enough being born into this shithole of a world without these potentially severe handicaps. Naturally, some kids will come out ok, but the odds seem to be fairly against it.
Buddy, I'm sorry you've had a hard time. But you are seriously making assumptions and bringing your own experiences into a very limited little post that tells you literally nothing about my parenting style or that of the kids I mentioned. You sound like someone who had a rough childhood. I'm sorry about that. But dude: my kid is not being neglected or shoved out into the world with nothing. Did you read the post? It clearly says the kids I'm referring to are fine. As in fine. As in "thriving," as I said in the post. Thriving indicates not failing.
Life fucks us all. It does. No one is immune, no lives are perfect, everyone suffers and feels pain. No one lives in a bubble, no matter how much we try. The fact that you and your brothers had a hard time is sad, but it doesn't mean a: that everyone else does or b: that nobody else does. It's just life. There's no magic key. On one hand, people complain about helicopter parents. On the other, parents who don't do enough. In the end, what happens once you walk out the door of your parents' home is up to you. If you're disappointed or dissatisfied with your life, you can change that. From reading your post, the sooner you figure that out, the better you'll be.
Finally: women don't owe men anything. Stop assuming they need to be worshipped, or not worshipped. Women are not goddesses. They're humans. Some like that sort of attention. Most don't. Some like "manly" men. Some like "nice guys." Some like neither. Some like other women. There is no formula you can learn, there was no magic potion you missed out on. My son is fine. He is cool with himself and his own sexuality. He's not being taught to hate his masculinity. Far from it. I suspect if you got yourself sorted out, women would like your masculinity too.
I genuinely wish you health and happiness. Life is hard. You will be okay, but you have to own it for yourself.
Literally the only thing I can think of here is to say "fuck you".
You seem like a completely detached asshole that almost relishes the idea of other people leading painful lives. You must've been unbelievably hurt at some point for it to make you happy to see people suffer to the point where it apparently makes you gleam with joy to imagine other's suffering... but god damn, you come across as completely irredeemable. Like you literally lack the capacity to think about anyone other than yourself.
At least, however rough I had it, I haven't lost my sense of care for other human beings suffering. It appears that a completely psychotic asshole such as yourself cannot even comprehend such sentiment. Beyond fucked up.
I hope one day you can admit how damaged you are by whatever the fuck happened to you. But until then fuck you.
Twelve year-olds are not good at that sort of thing, generally. High schoolers are better. Even adults struggle with her politics. Hell, I struggle to know what to do with my vote, and I'm very well-informed. These are kids we're discussing.
Dude, seriously? Do you know any 12 year-olds personally? If they're on the internet, they're either playing Steam or watching porn. Not researching Hillary Clinton.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just an FYI Steam is a distribution platform not an actual game.
BGYeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
As much as I understand where you are coming from just look at reddit. No one gives a shit about wikileaks on Hillary and all the shady backhanded dealings she has been apart of all they care about is what Trump says next not actual issue in a leader like defrauding the government. If Reddit which is primarily made up of people in their mid twenties care more about the stupid antics of Trump over the shit Hillary has pulled I doubt middle schoolers will do much better.
byxo ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:13:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm not an elementary teacher either. I teach high school in a low-income predominantly Latino school. Most of my kids have very thoughtful opinions, and a lot of them are genuinely upset that they can't vote. Not a lot of Trump fans in the Latino community (shocker, I know)--lots of students have talked about how what he said is hurtful to their community and then bring up statistics on immigrants paying taxes and other stuff to back up their points (we work on supporting claims with evidence). Sometimes they spit out conspiracy theory shit--Clinton's on death's door, the election is rigged, other kinda sad stuff. I don't talk politics but I don't forbid them from talking about it either. All I do is tell the 18-year-olds that if they don't vote, they don't get to complain about anything for the next 4 years. Not even the weather or the cafeteria food or their parents.
That was a conspiracy theory until all the undercover footage coming out over the last week proven that at least to come degree, the election is rigged.
acamann ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:58:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
95% Hispanic students and several have asked me whether I will miss them if trump wins.
zalmute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats heartbreaking to me.
Bozly ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:39:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm a salesman so i talk with a lot of people and often thats a topic they bring up out of the blue because its on over the radio or on tv. And they bring their children so they get involved.
This was from a black girl "If donald trump gets elected he's going to put me in a concentration camp just like hitler!"
From a white boy "If hillary gets elected shes going to take our guns. And if she does that how am I going to shoot the gay people who break into my house?"
"Trump is going to build a wall and deport all the foreigners!" Where are your parents from? "They moved here from italy right before I was born"
This from a girl "being a president is man's job! We have so many emotions we'd start a war in a second! It has to be trump." But every war has been started by men. "Oh..."
Now what if I told you I heard all of that from adults? From ages 18 to 50. This is the one thing I heard from a ten year old.
"If trump cant treat women and his friends right how is he going to treat us right?"
A 10 year old said the most sane thing I have heard yet.
yshuduno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:19:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shoot the gay people who break into my house
They're just there to redecorate.
Bozly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn maybe we should take the guns away. Girls say my taste is weak.
More than white and conservative I think the main factor here is uneducated people.
Bozly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:17:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We actually have a really high graduation rate and a really low unemployment rate and a huge amount of people attend college as we have a super affordable community college. Its more of an illinformed about whats actually going on. Listening to only facebook and twitter basically and not listening to their actual plans. Just taking opinions.
Bozly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Always happy to shell out useless information!
iD4Yi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure I heard some of those on a tv show. You either took some of the responses from that show, are the interviewing guy from that show, or someone you asked happened to say the same thing as in that show.
Bozly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took the president is a mans job from a tv show.
Is that sane, or does it just pander to your own personal bias? It's rather ludicrous actually. People that are pieces of shit in their personal lives often do great things in their professional lives. Wagner hated Jews and wanted them exterminated...but he also wrote some of the best music of all times. Or, perhaps a more generic example, the husband who works as an investment banker making millions of dollars a year, but rarely sees his family because he works so much. He is a shit father, but clearly incredible at his job. There is no logic behind the notion, just a kind of gut feeling that people who are good at something (being nice to their friends) should naturally be good at another (being a good president), which is an example of the Halo Effect...a logical fallacy.
murphyat ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:04:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach just outside DC in a large County in Maryland. Many of our kids are from nigeria, kosova, and El Salvador. Many are Muslim or first generation Americans with much if their extended family still abroad.
I've had more than a handful of my students to ask if Trump will bring back segregation and slavery. Bullying toward Muslim kids has increased in our school. People act like 4th and 5th graders aren't affect....they don't fully understand, but they feel the sentiment and vitriol. It's sad.
I teach 1st grade and was explaining to the kids how very soon we will have another president and how things could change. I always try to be very neutral about things like politics or religion when they ask, so I don't get irate parents coming after me. I said that we might have Clinton, who would be the first ever woman president, or we might have Trump, and before I could get another word out all of my kids started violently shaking their heads back and forth and waving their hands in that "hell no" motion. I tried not to laugh as I asked what the reaction was for. One of the kids responded with "he's crazy!" Amazing what even 6-7 year olds pick up on, even if it is just listening to what their parents say.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 19:05:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parent... singular because, you know... liberal democrat...
Kaa5096 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:04:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in my room but another teacher shared with me:
Students are reading about voting.
Little boy to class: my grandfather is voting for Donald trump.
Appalled little girl next to him: WHAT?! Don't you know what color you are?!? Trump don't like black people.
Little boy: (looks down at his arm)- yeah, I'm black too.
not a teacher But I am around elementary school-aged kids a lot. What I end up seeing and hearing is that the kids have a very basic understanding of who the candidates are and what they stand for in general, but have no idea or a very vague idea about how they stand on specific subjects like education and the environment. Most of what they blab out appears to be influenced by their parents and teachers. For example, one kid was blabbering about how great Clinton was and how Donald Trump wanted all of Mexico to die because he lost all of the debates or something incredibly silly like that. Upon meeting the kid's parents, it was evident that they were very much against Trump, but the kid stitched together their political statements from things their parents have said before, whether they were related to each other or not.
RE90 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:34:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I work in an after-school program where many of the 2nd and 3rd graders I interact with are Hispanic and from low-income homes:
One kid says Trump hates Mexicans. Another agrees. A few other kids join the discussionโwithin seconds, the angelic voices of every single student in the class chant in unison: "Kill Trump! Kill Trump! Kill Trump!"
Not a Trump fan, but had to shut that one down for obvious reasons.
Scones93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bahahahah, I wish you had a recording
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter is 6 and wants "the girl to win because that man's hair looks fake."
Not a teacher, but there's a controversy ongoing at a local school. A new sub got introduced as Miss Hernandez (name changed) and a few little fuckers started chanting "Build A Wall". This was 4th Grade.
Elementary school music teacher here. I work in a purple and ethnically diverse town in a blue state, so I've heard a wide range of stuff. Probably the most interesting exchange happened around May or June of last school year in a fifth grade class. This was right around when Trump announced he would halt all Muslim immigration to the US:
Student 1: My dad says if Donald Trump is elected President, he'll start World War III!
Student 2: No, no, Hillary Clinton would definitely start World War III!
Students 2 & 3: "Build the wall! Build the wall!"
Student 4: Stop! I hate Donald Trump. He wants to get rid of all the Muslims.
Student 5: What's a Muslim?
Me: Muslims are people who believe in the religion Islam. It's a religion, just like Judaism, Christianity, or Hinduism.
Student 5: Are Muslims bad? Didn't Muslims cause 9/11?
Me: Muslims are not bad. In fact there are several Muslim students at our school.
Students 2 & 5: REALLY!?
Me: Yes! I'm not going to get into politics, but I do need you to know one thing. Blaming an entire group of people on the actions of a few is wrong. If one boy, or even a group of boys defaced school property, would it be right to blame all of the boys?
Look. I'm great at meowing, ok? I love meowing and I have the best fur. No one has better furs than I do. My owner - and let me tell you, she was the best and smartest cat owner in the family at the time - my owner said to me that I am the best kitty she's ever seen. The best. So if you want me to meow, let me tell you I can meow alright. That's no problem. I will meow. I will. And I will meow better than any has ever done it before, ok? -Kitty Trump
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle school principal here. I've seen a slight increase in the number of boys making comments or doing inappropriate things towards girls. I've overheard boys repeating the, "grab her by the p****," comment. I'm deeply concerned what a Trump presidency would mean for gender relations for the foreseeable future. Children are impressionable, a politician must understand the gravity of his or her role as president and how it will impact all Americans.
Yeah, because parents have always LOVED their kids listening to rap. They've always encouraged it, said the rappers are a moral compass, going to save the country and a stand up person. Not like rap has ever been controversial among parents and often discouraged or even banned. Comparing a low brow musician to a potential world leader is totally the same thing.
I remember variations on this joke both election cycles ago. I heard it first in elementary school, and then again in 8th grade/freshman year, and now once again in college.
My mom's an administrator, told me one of her school principals had an incident where a student (kindergarten I believe), came up to her crying and when she asked why he was crying, he said his friend called him Trump and said he was a wall-builder.
I teach kindergarten and we watch some educational YouTube videos from time to time. Lately the ads have been political and even though I try to scroll down before they see them they still know what it is because they see the ads at home. For some reason we only get Trump ads and I have had many kids go "eww Donald trump. We can't vote for him!" I have yet to hear anything pro Trump which is nice.
Consider installing AdBlock on your classroom computer? If that doesn't violated policy, or something. And if you have ethical problems with AdBlock remember you're literally Doing It For The Children.
Not Kindegraten, but I'm a preschool teacher. Lunch time often produces the best conversations. Earlier this month, one of the kids said something about Donald Trump, not exactly sure how it came up. One four year old girl replied "Not Donald Trump, Donald Duck! It's Donald Duck". Another 4 year old said "my dad said Donald Trump is a bad guy". The first 4yr old said. "Donald Duck is a good guy".
They then left it at that and began to talk about different kinds of yogurts.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Sweetie is your dad is an idiot. Build the wall!"
Newarkia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:26:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but my little brother in 1st grade came home one day and said, "Donald Trump is a big bully!"
My sister has multiple students in her class that refer to Clinton as "Hilary Kittens" and it makes me giggle every time she talks about it.
churchey ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:24:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've been an elementary school teacher since the last election cycle. I'm also in a suburban area in TX (relatively democratic compared to most people's ideas of what TX is).
Kids repeat what their parents say. Since I'm in a charter district I have a mix of very upper middle class kids and very low income free-and-reduced-lunch kids as well as many in between.
Pretty stereotypically, it's the upper middle class kids who repeat their parents' thoughts and lean republican and the lower class kids who repeat their parents' thoughts and lean democratic.
As you may expect, the upper middle class kids are the ones who talk more about it. However, they are just as misinformed about it as their peers. Republican echo chambers are a horrible thing and while most of these kids will probably become democrats in highschool or college, some will never develop the critical thinking skills/rationalizations/backbone to ever question if they really agree with what their parents are raising them to believe.
When I taught 2nd grade I just told them not to repeat what their parents say before thinking if it is appropriate, informed parents if it ever got too ridiculous from a particular student (because NO parent I've dealt with has wanted their incredibly racist/classist political views repeated in public for the other parents to find out about), and told the kids that politics is a discussion you have at home but not in the class.
I'm currently teaching 5th grade and I've opened it up to discussion a few times. My kids (mostly regardless of socioeconomic class, with a few exceptions for students newer to our school) are very high performing. As perspective, about 22/26 in my class were identified by Duke TIP.
This is all personal anecdote so don't take it as gospel, but several white students were more vocal about their pro-trumpness, obviously grandly affected by their parents views. Many minority students were undecided. They understood many issues in the campaign and my students as a whole understood the arguments of both sides, but my minority students were the ones who asked questions like, "If no one likes them, why don't they just pick someone else?" or "Why do people vote for X candidate?"
This of course leads to discussions on why kids should be in charge, which I curb immediately with "write me a persuasive essay on why you think that will happen and if its good you'll get X incentive" because we really don't have much time to be 'off-topic' about the election, let alone dumb fantasy thought experiments. Hate to do it, but that's my reality at the moment and several students actually follow through on the offer.
What's interesting is that these kids, who are normally great critical thinkers and have very open minds to new ideas, burst out at the beginning repeating their parent's thoughts, whether they be pro-trump or pro-clinton, then get very quiet when they don't immediately get the validation from myself and their peers because I won't validate either side with my own opinion while teaching, and their peers often have different opinions. In MY opinion, the impression I receive is that they expect everyone to hold this same view, and are unaccustomed to this "vote trump because clinton is a crook and trump will make us rich" or "vote clinton because trump is a clown" being NOT being instantly validated. They expect it to be the one idea that's correct and agreed upon by everyone. That the world is made of their side and idiots, and anyone who disagrees being an idiot. They don't (for the most part) think of me or their peers as idiots, and so not receiving that validation is a new experience.
For many, like their parents, they have never even heard the other side because whenever it comes up in the debate, their parents deride it or dismiss it without considering it. Why would they do any different?
Hopefully this confrontation of other ideas can "set them straight" into realizing that they need to think and not just accept others words as fact, which is something I try to tell them, even about my own opinions.
Being a male teacher, the girls are hesitant to bring up the Clinton "girl-power" ads and talk about body image, no matter how much I encourage a safe-space and try to be open. It's an odd time for them, their bodies, their minds, and their emotions; I don't expect many to have the courage to discuss it in a public forum or even with me although I'm sure one or two will eventually. I know it's on their minds because the boys aren't so hesitant to discuss it.
Ever since the "Grab a pussy" comments, students have been less vocal and less interested in discussing it. I'm not sure if this is because parents have cut off political talks at home and are trying to shelter them, or if it's finally made them have a real conversation with their kids about it and hammer home the point that politics are not something to discuss in public, which while not necessarily correct, a good idea to teach kids until they've learned more about social graces and open-mindedness.
I will say it is MUCH, MUCH harder to remain non-partisan in this discussion than the last few election cycles.
I'd be happy to answer any specific questions.
edit: Also forgot to mention, my school is 67% minority, 33% white. 2nd largest population is south/southeast asian and 3rd is hispanic.
churchey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime :)
oIJet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can 67% be a minority?
churchey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get this question a lot!
67% minority refers to multiple minority groups. 23% South Asian, 11% African American, 17% hispanic, etc. Add them all up and your school is mostly minority. Even if the "minorities overtake the majority" in my school in particular, these classifications of groups are based on the general population. Similarly, historically black schools like Grambling are still minority schools.
Teaching in Korea at the moment. My students are terrified of Trump. Apparently he said he would not defend S. Korea if the North were to attack. I've asked each one of my classes what they think of Trump and Hillary. Not a single student has had kind words to say about Trump. They all support Hillary. Make of that what you will.
betoski ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:01:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a computer lab T.A. I remember hearing a kid say "I hate Trump." Another student responded, "I think everyone does." The kids also like to look up pics of Trump that have been photoshopped. I think the kids, at least the smaller kids, don't really understand why so many people dislike Trump (they repeat what they hear at home/T.V.) I feel like these generation of kids will remember Trump as a kind of joke.
I shared this with my wife as she teaches grade 1 and was just telling me a story on Friday. She teaches, and we live in, N.B Canada.
She says that everyday during lunch time the kids (who are 6) play who likes... Example: who here likes popcorn raise your hand, who here likes Pokemon raise your hand, who here likes pizza raise your hand, etc. The kids say them out to one another one right after the other. On Thursday one of her students asked who here likes Donald Trump (which is very out of the blue since they are 6 years old, we are all Canadian, and her class doesn't talk about politicians or U.S issues). But as the one kid asked almost all the other kids got riled up and said they hate Donald Trump. One kid said "No, guys... Donald Trump is a really bad man", another said "no he's terrible", another kept repeating "he's becoming just as bad as a lawyer", another kid said if "he ever came here he would kick Donald Trump in the face", another quickly said "I'd shoot him if he ever came here"... And then with the violent comments she then shut down conversation and comments.
But yeah, 6 year olds in Canada are even concerned about Donald Trump.
An elementary school kid I babysit was playing with a friend and called him a waste. I told him that he couldn't call another person a waste. He responded "Donald Trump does it, and he might be the next president." I don't even know how to deal with that
I'm a nanny. One of my kids came home from school and asked how far away Canada is. We live in PA so not far. I thought he was just curious but then when his mom came home he begged her to move because "Trump is going to start world war 3! And Canada is safe"
I have a class of 7th grade boys. One boy said he wanted Trump to win because he would build a wall and he had good ideas. The other boys told him he was an idiot and that building a wall was a stupid idea.
I don't know what made me happier: that Trump's idea was simple enough to appealed to a 12 year old boy, or that most of the 12 year old boys thought Trump's ideas were stupid.
Pretty sure his plan for a wall is:
1. Build wall
2. Make it huuuuge
3. Blame someone else when it doesn't work
All his other plans are secret. But they're the best plans. Everyone loves them.
Canadian, but while my grade ones were writing about their favourite foods and sports, one of my kids came up and asked me how to spell "Donald Trump goes to the library." No context at all. Not sure why either, but looking forward to reading his work.
Cannon1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:09:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: My students who are here illegally are worried about Trump deporting their family; that is sad.
Not a teacher, but this is what my 9 year old said in a conversation I had with her yesterday: I asked her if she doesn't like Trump because I don't like Trump, and she said no. She said she doesn't like him because he doesn't pay taxes when he tells everyone else to pay them. I asked her why that's a bad thing, and she said that it's like having lights in your house. If you use them, you have to pay the bill. She said taxes are the same thing; if you use anything that is paid for by taxes, you need to pay your fair share... pay your bills.
Zonarion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, my daughter is very intelligent. She's not your average nine year old. She is already wanting to know what college has wildlife management degree programs so she can work in and run a wildlife refuge center that takes in foxes, owls, wolves, and some other animals.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter wants to be a scientist and will spend her life defending herself, having to prove she's good enough and smart enough. Yeah, I'm proud that my 3rd grader is reading at high school level. Her mom should be her biggest cheerleader.
caroja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im a high school student and our orchestra teacher is telling us to stop eating in the band room because the art room next door has a rat problem. My stand partner asked the teacher, " Why not build a wall to stop the rats?". The teacher then replies to my stand parter, "We can and we will make the rats pay for it". We ended up not building the wall due to lack of money and the band kids still ate in the band room.
Elementary school teacher. Trump's name is banned in the classroom because some students have bullied other kids by telling them that their family is going to get kicked out of the country soon.
I have students that burst into panic attacks at mention of Trump. They don't really care about Clinton.
Not a teacher but my 10 year old sone came home from school and told me that Hillary Clinton was going to make women's only parking spaces and they were going to be bigger than everyone else's, that "her husband has had the 's' word with a lot of women when he was president", and she a butthole.
Trump it was he wants to put up a wall between Mexico and us, he hasn't paid his taxes, he rips people off, he has rabies, he eats bugs, he drinks toilet wine, and he sucks. My son calls him the "annoying orange with an over comb".
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:29:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a teaching assistant, but I spend most of my time in one specific third grade classroom. I was sitting on the floor in the back looking at some resource books one day, and the students were coming back from the restroom. Thinking that no one was in the classroom, most of the kids began to chant "Go Trump" and "Hillary for prison". I consistently overhear conversations about how great Trump is and how Hillary is a liar, all of this from third graders. I work in a pretty affluent district, so it's safe to say these kids are hearing this stuff at home. And if I ask any of them why they support Trump, they don't have any real reasons besides "because he's awesome!"
I live in Massachusetts. I work with kids typically in late elementary and middle school. They have been making fun of Trump since last September, and have never taken him seriously. They have surprisingly profound thoughts about him that are no doubt fueled by the parents but still show some semblance of their own ideas that Trump is a joke to them.
I've never heard them talk about Hillary.
i_izzie ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:40:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was middle school so it makes it worse in my opinion. Students told the Spanish teacher that Trump was going to deport her.
Not Elementary, but middle. I also work in an inner city school, where about 77% of my students are black, 22% are hispanic, and the other 1% is mostly asian, with like... 4 white students in the whole school. I'm white, so the students make some pretty fun assumptions about me.
"Mr. Pancak3, do you put mayo on everything?"
or
"Mr. Pancak3, do you like Kelly Clarkson?"
I usually laugh these kinds of things off, but then this happened:
"Oh, I know Mr. Pancak3 is voting for Trump. Right, Mr. Pancak3?"
I had to nip this in the bud - but we're not supposed to make our political opinions explicit as teachers. So I told them this, "If a racist cheeto with dog hair on one end said it was going running for President, would you vote for it?"
I'm an elementary school substitute teacher in for a district where over 90% of students are Hispanic, so this first part probably won't come as a surprise. While younger students don't really talk about politics, older students (4th-6th grade) have a lot to say about they hate Trump. During lessons about the election they'll often just raise their hand so they can say something about his racism or about how he's an idiot. I once had a 4th grader try to start chanting FDT (Fuck Donald Trump) in the middle of class. So yeah, he's almost entirely hated by them.
They're pretty neutral about Clinton. Some students have mentioned they heard that she's corrupt, but that's about it. Despite all this, they all want her to win because they understand that she's Trump's opponent and that's what matters to them.
It really makes me sad that these kids have to watch this shitshow go on because for them this is their only exposure to presidential elections. They must think it's this bad all the time. I worry about what this is doing to their perception of American politics in general. It's a shame that instead of getting to see a normal election (although there is still some mudslinging) their first experience is this nightmare-circus where the focus seems to be on the spectacle of it all rather than the direction the country is going to go in.
Not a teacher but my girlfriend's little sister is in 4th grade and thinks that Hillary Clinton is "trying to take our guns away". Her family is an avid hunting family and I had to explain to her that nobody is trying to take away hunting.
She then said "Well.. I don't want her to win because I want to be the first girl president".
Hillary Clinton is in favor of extending gun control regulations. Her proposal will take away 2nd amendment rights away from families that have not been convicted of a crime.
Obligatory "not a teacher" comment, but I talked to a woman (her partner is a black woman) who's 6 year old son was asking, "So Trump wouldn't like Mommy? Why not?" and she had to explain racism as delicately as she could to a 6 year old. Then her son said "well how would they feel about you?" and she had to explain they probably wouldn't like her either because she's a lesbian and doesn't look very feminine. At which point he got very sad and said "But that isn't fair, you're both nice and not mean."
On the flip side I've heard 8 year olds say they want Trump to win because they think he has funny hair, so.
joevsyou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a 50+ year lady who belongs in elementary school...
""I am on the trump train and if you are Christian you should too" Hillary will take away our Christianity!"
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both of my parents are voting for Trump. My son is eight and has been vocal about why this is a bad idea, to no avail.
I've tried to explain to my mom that Trump views women as secondary to men, and she said, "It's not like he raped anyone!" So... groping is okay, apparently. I told her to read a newspaper once in awhile. Yes, I know he's innocent until proven guilty, but there are warning signs for this kind of behavior for a reason.
My dad won't change his mind either, but he at least had actual facts to back up his dislike of Hillary. He then told me she's probably going to win anyway, but he can't bring himself to vote for her. So as much as I disagree with him, at least he's not being batshit crazy about it.
(And I did mention Johnson/Weld as an option, and he said he doubts that they'll have the votes, and he doesn't want to "waste" his vote.)
joevsyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
crazy i swear. glad your father isn't too far like your mom. The way i see it i vote for Hillary before trump as she would do the least amount of damage. I feel like we will stay right about where we are with Hilary while with trump we will take 2-3 steps back.
I most likely end up voting for johnson even though i don't care for him but, if you can just throw the balance off of the election blocking trump and Hillary from getting 270 there is a chance that the house will pick neither Hillary or trump.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep wavering on who I'm voting for, which has never happened to me before. I was set to vote for Johnson until I found out he doesn't know where certain countries are located. I feel like it's possible for him to learn geography, however - Hillary can't take back the lies she's already told. But she has more political experience than any other candidate.
joevsyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:05 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I feel like Johnson is just attempting to play the media game by messing up questions to get coverage and it worked to lol. But hey I don't think he's really smart either.
There is a a lot of crap about Hillary but she sure does have experience and isn't stupid.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:08 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
It's good having a discussion where some Trump supporter isn't telling me that my ideas are wrong, just because I don't want to vote for that mutant Oompa Loompa. (Okay, that was petty, but it felt good to say it.)
High school teacher here, but the worst I've heard is a completely non-ironic, "I can't wait until Trump wins and kicks all the gay people out of the country."
I'm a student teacher in a 7th grade science classroom. We recently gave them a "What is Science" test. One of the questions was "True or False? Evidence gathered in an investigation is useful only if it supports the hypothesis."
One student answered "False. Unless you are Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton!" I laughed so hard.
sim14789 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:08:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact about the Canadian educational system, we don't learn solely about Canada. We learn about a lot of different countries, and what they were like in different points o history. I just finished the section about the French Revolution. We also learn about the differences between Canada and America, something that Americans don't really learn about.
Maybe they don't want Canada overrun with refugees fleeing the US
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:19:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Ed Specialist so I work in classrooms with general ed teachers rather than have my own. One kid came by my office last year looking pretty upset and asked if he could just work with me for the day because his substitute announced she was voting for
Trump and he felt uncomfortable. I decided to go check out the class myself and this woman indeed shared repeatedly that she was a huge Trump supporter, in addition to screaming at and berating 11 year olds. Needless to say a lot of kids came by my office that day.
One of my special needs kids who is of voting age declared loudly to the class this past week: "I don't know about you guys but there is no way I am voting for Barack Obama!!" So I guess there's that
I teach English in Japan. Overheard two eight-year-old girls in Japanese talking frighteningly talking about Trump and Clinton.
"Trump, Clinton, which do you like?" I asked in English.
"Clinton" they both said.
"Why?" I asked.
One responded in rapid Japanese: "Because North Korea is launching missiles and Donald Trump is crazy!"
bowserJC ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I overheard my nieces speaking about Trump. We're American Muslims, and this was after the Muslim Ban nonsense that he was spitting out a few months back... they were talking about where they would go if he won and one says to the other "I'd go to Florida" the other responded with "Florida is still America and he can still get you, we have to hide another place"
As funny as it was, it's truly sad that they even had to think of that.
tricep6 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:50:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's snowing right now in my neck of the woods in Canada. My nephew and his friend are in grade four. When they are outside playing in the snow, one of the things they like to do is build a Trump wall.
10 ft HIGHER
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but was a counselor for a summer camp. I had russian siblings (brother and sister probably in 4th or 5th grade) and they could not be more different. The girl was definitely a bit racist because she made some bizarre statements (something along the lines of "the future will be black and white so we know who's good and who isn't"). The brother very smart however. One day the whole group started debating Trump/Hillary and the girl kept yelling for Trump without giving reasons and the boy calmly supported Hillary even though he acknowledged she isn't a great candidate.
First Grade class: Each student was allowed to "vote" and they had to circle Trump or Hillary. One ballot had both names crossed out and "shut up" scrawled underneath. I concur.
LailaR ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, my five year old daughter calls Trump the "man Donald Duck." She further postulates that he's "mad at everyone happy." Frankly, I agree.
Not a teacher but my neighbor, whose Mexican, had a bday party for his kid and they got a trump piรฑata. While my neighbor was carrying it to hang it up I told him to stop so I can take a picture of him and trump. A little kid, who happens to be white, maybe 7-9 years old said "that's the only time you'll see trump with a Mexican".
The other day my kids came up with a Trumpdiddlyumptious bar, like a Wonka Scrumdiddlyumptious bar. When I asked them what it would taste like, one replied, "Weird... and angry."
My little sister is 10 and she told me that some boy in her class was going to leave the country if Trump won so she wants him to win so the boy will leave cause she doesn't like him
My little sister is 10 and she told me that some boy in her class was going to leave the country if Trump won so she wants him to win so the boy will leave cause she doesn't like him
your little sister is smart
manova ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:13:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid said that Trump says mean things and is a liar. Hillary is also a liar. Therefore, he wants Hillary to be president because she only had one thing wrong with her and Trump has two.
I teach a coding class (using a visual programming language called Scratch). One of the kids, aged 7 or 8, made a game where you control a flying dove with the goal of pooping on Trump.
His mom was not amused and tried to explain that it was mean. However, that was heavily undermined by his dad and us teachers involuntarily smiling every time Trump got pooped on. I'm still impressed that he chose a dove and drew it holding an olive branch.
My 13 y/o sister straight up called my uncle an asshole because he said he supported Trump.
aymalah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:56:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 12 year old daughter came home from a friends house complaining Hillary Clinton is going to take away her guns. She doesn't have guns. No one in our house has guns.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:58:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats just bad parenting, no one is above the law. I feel bad for the kids but its entirely the parents fault.
Middle school here... When my students aren't freaking about clowns, they're chanting for Trump. Probably because Trump embodies the typical loud mouthed middle school bully.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter made a Redstone voting booth on Minecraft. If you vote Trump you fall in a lava pit. Vote Hillary and you get diamonds from the sky. She said anyone who wants to deport her best friend should burn. She's scary.
TBestIG ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:40:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister is seven. She calls Donald Trump "The Orange Guy" and says she doesn't want Hillary Clinton to win because she wants to be the first woman president.
Tin_Fins ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:06:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at an inner city school this summer teaching 4th grade. Before their track break (year round school) one of the Hispanic students asked me if I was going to vote. I said yes. She then pleaded "Please don't vote for Trump, he is a racist and would do bad things to my family."
9 year-olds should not have to fear an election...
iburnaga ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really highlights how many kids have undocumented parents. That is very concerning. Our immigration system needs revision as it's obviously not working.
It could imply that, but it could also be that the kid is just afraid of what will happen to her family because of stuff Trump is spewing.
Regardless, yes, the immigration system needs to be fixed.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My husband, his parents and their parents were born in this country. And probably at least one other generation, beyond that. Yet his last name isn't 'Smith' or 'Jones,' and he's got Eastern European ancestry. This causes a lot of people to mistake him as being one nationality or another.
It was funny to me when people who didn't speak English would approach him and speak to him in their native language. It's not funny anymore. It only takes one person assuming they know his family history better than he does, and my entire world could fall apart. Trump and his vitriol caused this for so many people. Nobody deserves to feel like this.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WOW, ignoring the elephant in the room
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't know why their parents would be so cruel as to push their own fears and exaggerated worries onto their children.
Not necessarily the parents. The election is inescapable and children can make their own minds up. I was sick with worry about nuclear war back in the 70s and it wasn't anything my parents said.
At my daughter's elementary school the kids are telling the Mexican kids that if Trump is elected he'll deport them. It's enough of a problem that the principal had to address it at the last assembly.
arclathe ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:30:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't work in an elementary school but I work as a nurse with mentally disabled adults, which is kind of similar. I don't bring politics up, like ever but the staff where these people all live tends to leave CNN or some other 24 hr news station on all day. The residents all dislike Trump. Many of them also really liked Sanders. I'm not sure if these are opinions they formed on their own or just adopted opinions from their staff but they do often say Trump is a very mean man.
I think that is somewhat enlightening that people with a low IQ can actually see Trump for what he is and people with a marginally higher IQ cannot. I mean I had one patient who was confused as shit. She couldn't tell you what day it was, couldn't tell you where she was. Thought she had bugs crawling on her but damned if she didn't tell me everyday that Trump is a vile man. You have to be willfully ignorant to like this guy.
MrSnurbd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:09:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My great-grandmother is very similar. Severe memory issues and just not in the best state of mental health, but anytime she sees Trump she instantly remembers him. "Oh I hate that man!" Usually accompanied by sticking her tongue out at the TV. Kind of hilarious. Same kind of thing, couldn't tell you where she is, who her family is, but if she sees Donald Trump she knows she hates him.
I think that is somewhat enlightening that people with a low IQ can actually see Trump for what he is and people with a marginally higher IQ cannot
It's the difference between looking at the message and the messenger. On a visceral level, Donald Trump is angry and argumentative, he raises his voice and gestures and carries himself in a certain way. Take away what he is saying, and you are left with an angry and upset old man.
Regular people tend to listen to him on an abstract level where he is communicating concepts and ideas. If those concepts and ideas are aligned with the notions of the listener, they will perceive him as positive.
arclathe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liking or disliking Trump isn't a matter of IQ. It's a matter of what you believe the role of government is and how much you care about personality traits.
This entire thread reminds me of 4th and 5th grade before the Bush/Kerry election... The amount of insane things the churchy North Carolina parents would tell their kids about Kerry was unreal.
-> Kerry would start WWIII
-> Kerry would kill small children
-> Kerry would make everything cost twice as much
-> Kerry wouldn't let any white people go to college
North Carolina is weird...the smaller towns and rural areas are ridiculously churchy and fucked up like you find in the deep south, but many of the cities like Raleigh, Asheville, even Greensboro are cool and laid back and more like what you'd find out west
We have a segment in our classroom where I pick a student to tell a joke to everyone and I picked a girl to tell a joke. She said "Trump and Hillary are both stranded on an island together, who wins? America."
I'm no teacher, but I was chatting with a kid at recreation center. I don't deal with children very often, but I knew I disliked being talked down to, so I crouched low and spoke to him as I would an adult. We spoke about Trump, and he told me that Trump has god's will on his side and he's going to win because his pastor prayed for him. I asked him what would it mean if Trump lost? Without warning he slapped he across the face and told me don't ask stupid questions before stalking off. I've never wanted to hit a kid more in my life. It wasn't until later that I felt bad since he had to have seen that behavior from somewhere...
My students love to repeat what they hear at home. I get lots of "Trump is a bad man" and "Hillary Clinton is a liar and should be in prison".
I teach in the American Southwest and the saddest comments I've heard come from students of Hispanic backgrounds who are genuinely scared for themselves and their family's because of the 'build the wall' rhetoric that Mr. Trump promotes.
As an educator I try to use these comments as teaching points for why it is important that we do our own research and formulate our own opinions. As a human being who cares for the mental and physical well being of others, I make sure to reiterate that the students are safe and that Mr. Trump will not be building a wall, not now or ever.
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I'm student teaching right now in a Kindergarten class. One little boy is a history buff at age 5 and two weeks ago he asked me if I knew about Donald Trump. I said I did, I read a lot about the election. He looked at me and said, "Donald Trump is an idiot. I'm going to dress up as George Washington and run for president."
I'd vote for him.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too!
ha_psych ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:05:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant but not relevant. Back during Bush vs. Gore I solely wanted Bush to win because my school's election had his picture on the blue side and Gore on the red side. I liked Blue so I picked Bush. I was in first grade and find it ironic now.
Not a teacher, but when I was in 4th grade my class wrote letters to then President, Bill Clinton. In my classmate's letter, which I proofread, she called our president a "baby killer". I'm sure you all can guess that I grew up in the good 'ole Bible Belt.
Ehh..they usually mimic what the they hear at home. Take that for what you will. I'm not going to go into specifics though and use my present or former kids to reinforce any one point for some weirdo.
Side note: teachers who espouse their political views in class aren't professionals. X.x
I worked with kids age 5-10 this summer and the ones who had heard about Donald Trump were saying he was a bad, crazy man who wanted to build a wall. Also a decent amount of the kids were Iranian, Chinese, or children of immigrants so I don't really blame them
c0gen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:28:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had one third-grade girl tell me Hillary Clinton is evil because she killed 4 Americans. (Benghazi)
Though most of the kids talk about how mean Trump is and how he is always angry, that he's a bully, etc.
It's funny because these K-4 graders frequently ask each other "who are you voting for?" They also ask me this question sometimes but obviously I'm not gonna give them an answer
I think the answer to this question is highly dependent on the area you live in though since almost all kids just parrot what they hear their parents talk about at the dinner table.
I work in a K-8th title 1 school in Phoenix. I had a 5th grade student who was in the corner of the playground crying by himself. I assumed he had an issue with another student but when I asked what was wrong he told me "I'm afraid that Donald Trump is going to deport my whole family".
nickipps ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:42:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'd vote for trump because he has the best memes" -kill me
I taught as a substitute last school year in a rural county school system. Kids from 1st through 12th grade were full on drinking trumps kool-aid. They would complain that Hillary/Bernie will shut down the coal mines, and that we need someone who isn't a politician to fix things. No doubt they heard all this from there parents. Things may have changed in the several months since I left that job though.
Third graders playing with air dry clay, one makes a trump figure and a Clinton figure and makes them fight. One little girl said that Trump just needs more love in his heart, and that was a very kind and grown up thought.
AhhBisto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:53:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher or American (British), but my 4 year old niece says that Trump is "always angry and looks fed up" and that Hillary looks like her Nan (my mother, they share a similar hair style and not much else).
She also once confused the word giraffe with draft and was disappointed when she couldn't find the prior in my house.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've counted 22 South Park references and they're all different
zyphor77 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where I tutor, we have a very simplified "wheel of fortune" that kids can spin for amusement. It's right behind my desk. I overheard this conversation:
"If it lands on a two, you're Miley Cyrus."
"Ewwww. Gross! I want three to be Bernie Sanders."
"If we have Bernie, then Donald Trump can be 10."
laughter
Then I hear the clicking of someone's spin, until it stops.
"Oh MY GOD. YOURE DONALD TRUMP."
"NO."
All the kids are dying and tumbling all over. I'm laughing my ass off. Regardless of topic, the Trump accuser has volume issues. He's being really playful.
"Run! She's gonna BUILD A WALL and TRAP US!!!"
"IM GONNA PROTECT MYSELF!!!"
At this point I was dying. Another teacher had to come over and ask them to quiet down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone hates trump, but they at least no why. I've even had fourth and fifth graders watch some debates. The important thing is that they know WHY he is an idiot, and not just parroting what their parents say.
When I taught first grade ten years ago, the first graders had to write "raps" as an assignment. It was in quite the liberal city that also had quite a few families directly affected somehow, so I expected maybe one or two to mention the war or their dads leaving or something .
What I didn't expect was an hour long Bush-bashing rap contest with raps CLEARLY written by their parents. When asked them why they held particular views, or why they were against the war, or ANYTHING- blank stares. Every one of them. I just wanted to write a message home to all parents saying,
"Dear parents,
This is sad, and you are sad. If you want to make a difference, your 6-year-old's classroom is the wrong place to do it. Write a senator. Get out and vote. Stop making me sit through this.
Signed,
Your kids teacher who is trying to teach your kids to have their own opinions and viewpoints with supported evidence."
For or against the war, I don't give a shit. Teach your kids what you want, but don't force them to blindly follow you. Each side thinks the other is "brainwashing" their youth. I think if you teach them the whys and the wherefores it isn't brainwashing, as long as you can justify your belief.
The bipartisan system has created drones. No one cares about issues anymore, just parties. If tomorrow the candidates just decided to switch sides, each party would still fully support their candidate, because it is their candidate.
All of this was never made more clear than when I was watching 6-year-olds spew out their parents views without knowing why
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we never pushed ideas on our kid, encouraged her to think for herself, but she grew up to be an NPR-listening centrist/liberal anyway.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah definitely, we have the right to raise our kids as we see fit, but don't raise a blind follower. Have discussions, ask questions, etc
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so much better to hear what they're thinking and just answer questions as they come. If you try to stuff their heads with your own ideas, you'll never know who they really are inside.
I guess some people are afraid their kids will stray from the "right path" if they don't control their thoughts from a young age.
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Funny story - she was on her way to Bonnaroo earlier this year and texted me "Who are you for, Hillary or Bernie?" So I text back "Hillary". We didn't discuss politics much for a while after that!
My youngest sister has just finished primary school and started secondary (so I think in the US she would have just finished elementary school and started middle school? She's 11). She was chatting to me about the US election because she likes discussing the news with me and my dad. After a BBC News segment about Trump's comments about women she said: "Mr Trump and Mrs Clinton both seem like bad leaders, but Mr Trump seems a lot worse, so why don't people pick the less bad person?."
Don't know whether to be proud or sad that she's become a realist so young.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary but middle school teacher. The kids are extremely vocal about it but have no clue about the actual candidates. Im in a very Hispanic area and the kids joke about being super into Trump. Unfortunately, some kids don't understand it's a joke and get super agitated for and against it. It's really bad. The worst was when we were watching student news and a white autistic kid started going off on how smart and right Trump is and how we should get rid of all the immigrants, in a classroom of immigrants. First time I ever had to tell a kid to actually shut up in order to stop a beat down. Had to pull the student aside and explain that the other kids were joking about being Trump supporters. I'm not taking a side with the kids or telling who I am voting for but I also don't want to see a hate crime.
l0bbym3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have been waiting to tell this story!
I work in Washington DC. Previously in congress, and now for a lobbying firm. I'm pretty fresh out of college and my mom is a teacher, so she always gets me to come to her elementary school and give lectures to the students.
One day, I was privileged to speak to a group of second graders about the significance of the symbols of the United States of America. I wasn't really used to speaking to such a young group of people, so I wasn't sure how to end the talk.
I opened the floor for questions and I got a variety of off the wall stories and questions. One that really stuck out was this little girl who asked very seriously "Is Hillary Clinton going to go to jail?"
At this moment I was almost speechless because I hadn't prepared for this type of question. Fortunately the teacher helped me out!
Title 1 middle school. Most of the comments I've heard have just been generic anti-Trump crap, but I teach music so I have a lot of the best students in my classes. However, there has been a definite, noticeable increase in bullying, negative comments, and people making fun of each other for their born characteristics this year. I have some transgender students, and while playing Nina Simone for them one day in choir a girl who is the only definite Trump supporter in the class (and whose father teachers at the school) started making fun of Simone for 'sounding like a transgender', which understandably upset the transgender student right behind her who asked her to please not. The girl in question then got pissed for being called out and started yelling about politically correct stuff, so I paused the class and started talking about spreading love, etc. I have to be very careful to try to get my kids to be nice to each other without actually addressing the politics, which is a lot of fun. We just had an assembly about spreading love and the Columbine shooting a few weeks ago, so I went back to that and how we need to be kind to each other. The Trump supporter rolled her eyes the entire time. It was an uncomfortable moment, to say the least.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a girl like this when I was in high school. She sat at a table with the only openly-bisexual guy at our school, and they were friends. And then she would go to sociology class with me and talk about how she thought bisexuality was "a cop-out," and "those people" should just make up their minds. Her mother taught at my school also, and was equally narrow-minded, which caused me problems when I took her class one semester. She had a last name that was sort of synonymous with the term 'ass-hat,' and it suited her.
My goal in life is to make sure my son doesn't spout nonsense like this.
After school teacher in Southern California. All the kids want Hillary to win, But they were much more excited about Bernie, when he was running. I haven't really heard any support for trump, but their are some kids who say with a low voice, "my parents are voting for trump"...
My students hate him. Its hilarious. They make up terrible jokes and all sorts. One was trying to joke with me that becauase I never commented on their rants I liked him. So I rolled with it, told them he was a genius and I wish we could vote for him in Sweden. They were horrified. When I told them I was winding them up ive never seen more relieved and annoyed kids. Then they tried to high five me for my prank and I dabbed them.
Teachers *pranking students is fucking hilarious. *what ten year olds consider pranking
mcerb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my after-school students had a melt down because he thought Donald Trump might win the election.
1olive ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When transgender bathrooms were a hot topic, my 5th graders were having a discussion about it and one girl said, "Hillary and Obama want boys to go in the girl's bathroom and girls to go in the boy's bathroom."
I teach out in rural Oregon, had to talk to a lot of kids about saying 'Hitlery Clinton'. It's been really difficult, I pride myself on being neutral during election years and it's a great time for lessons about the importance of differing political beliefs and checks and balances (I teach fifth grade). But I have students genuinely afraid they'll be deported in November and a candidate who routinely says thing inappropriate for an elementary school classroom, can't wait for December.
jennca ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students here in Canada think that if Trump gets elected then he will start a world war. (Grade 5 student)
TheFleur ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:26:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 5th grade Catechism. We were talking about how God loves everyone no matter who they are or what they believe. One student says, "He doesn't love Donald Trump." And another adds that, "Trump said some bad things about women." It killed me a little inside, but I told them that God loves Donald Trump too. We discussed how if Trump truly felt remorse for his words and actions and asked for forgiveness, God would forgive him. But yes, they have eyes and ears and more sense than adults. I'm so proud of them and am sad that they are exposed to this disgusting behavior. I can't wait for this election to be over.
Not a teacher, but on first day of this school year, one of my friends had a Trump supporter in her class (he's apparently new and from Colorado or someplace) who instead of introducing himself said "I support Donald Trump because he's gonna kick out all the Mexicans!"
This is in El Paso, mind you, where 8/10 people are Mexican. He got a lot of stares.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the 5th grade boys "supports" Trump. He is being bullied because of it. The other kids refuse to sit next to him, they won't touch something that he's touched, if he gets close, they freak out. I've had so many discussions with them and with their regular teacher (I'm their art teacher, so, I only see them once a week) about it, but, nothing has changed.
GavinET ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, supporting Trump is not bad. He's allowed to have an opinion (even though he may not be old enough to fully - and I say fully as in he might have some sort of clue, not like he's totally uneducated - grasp the situation). He shouldn't be berated by his classmates because he likes Trump, bottom line. Who he likes is none of their business to be bullying him, no buts here.
I think Hillary Clinton's horrible but I don't go up to people that like her and call them idiots. I don't treat them differently.
Middle School teacher here. This one seventh grader is a general pain but only because he's really freaking smart and gets bored easily and solves that by distracting his classmates.
Anyhow, this Friday, last period of the day and I'm just totally done by this point, I have to make him sit on the other end of the big table in our room because he's distracting his friend. I tell him to imagine a wall across the table that blocks him from talking to his buddy. He looks up at me and, without missing a beat goes, "Mr. Redfish, for a wall that big, you'd need Trump."
I had to pretend to have a reason to walk outside the room to laugh so they wouldn't see me crack up.
My son is in elementary school and told me that Trump put quarters in his piggy bank to fill it up then puts his bills near the top so people think it is full of bills and therefore richer.
His older sister questioned him on the validity of this fact.
He responded that it was true because he watched some of the debates and Hilary said it.
This is why we don't let kids testify in court.
catfayce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:35:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Brit I probably understand as much about the US election as an elementary school kid and I'm hoping for the apocalypse
caroja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Educated and compassionate Americans of all ages are hoping for the same.
Middle school teacher. One girl explained "Hillary plans to kill us all when she is president." I assured her neither candidate planned to murder every American citizen upon taking office. Another said "Hillary has a disease." When I asked which one, she just shook her head and repeated (with emphasis), "She HAS a DISEASE."
JZPotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100% of the political opinions my young students share are just reflections of their parents' opinions.
I've had to include a whole lesson on the Syrian refugee situation to clear up that they're not all "lazy sponges just coming to the UK for benefits and to squash our way of life!"
Not really answering the question, but I'm from an Australian high school. Here, Trump and Hillary are the butt of a lot of jokes. The general consensus is that Trump belongs in a mental asylum and that Hillary belongs in jail. The toilets have pro-Bernie propaganda scrawled throughout them.
My students are terrified of a Trump Presidency. Most of them are afraid that if Trump is elected, he will deport their parents and make them "orphans." Breaks my heart, they are truly torn up :(
I live and teach in Quebec (Canada), which is considerably more left-wing than the US as a while. Here he is perceived by most, if not all, adults I've talked to as he single biggest moron the world has ever known. So evidently the children view the man as an idiot too, even if they don't know why.
Not elementary, but a high school teacher in Canada here. The students talk about the election A LOT (between dabbing, evil clowns and bottle flipping). They mostly talk about being scared for America and what it will mean having Trump as the leader next door. But here are some of my favorite student comments on Trump (I actually started writing it down because some of it is priceless):
"At first it was funny, now it's scary. I thought something like this could only happen on South Park."
"He is like all the worst things a person can be in one person."
"I don't want him dragging us down with him."
"He looks like he sleeps in a tanning bed."
"Oh miss, I'm so thankful for Mr. Trudeau."
"What is his problem with immigrants? They should just come here, we have a lot of space and we don't care."
"FUCK DONALD TRUMP. Sorry miss."
And my personal favourite:
"Lots of Americans are going to want to move here, miss. We'd better let them in, I mean we can't leave them down there with that."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"At first it was funny, now it's scary. I thought something like this could only happen on South Park."
Couldn't put Trump's campaign better myself. ๐คฆ
Gswansso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite story came from my girlfriend, who teaches 3rd grade at an inner city charter school with a predominantly Somali population:
One of her students comes up to her during recess and asks her who she's voting for. Not wanting to open that can of worms, she replies she wasn't sure yet, but asks the student in return who she wanted to win...
"Blah Blah Trum"
"Sorry, who?"
"Blah Blah Trum"
"You mean Donald Trump?"
"I don't know his name but I don't know who the other people are either"
Now here's the part where the story stops being a little funny and gets a little sad. The same student comes in a few weeks later and walks up to her teacher and says:
"I don't like Mr. Trump anymore"
"Why's that"
"All the adults say that if he wins we all have to go home to Somalia and I don't have any friends there and I don't know who's class I'm going to be in when we get there"
So yea, it's easy to paint refugees and immigrants with a broad brush, but kids are worrying about who's getting elected because their worried they might have to move as a result, and that's a little fucked up
N573 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:52:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a school teacher but I worked with 9yr olds at a summer camp and one told the joke "Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are on an airplane that's about to crash, who is saved?".... "America"
As a teacher this thread just makes me nauseated. Different topic, heard a teacher tell her students that Obama had banned the pledge. Seriously, how the eff is she a teacher???
itsmolls ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:17:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Preschool teacher here: I heard the kids in my class discussing the upcoming election at the lunch table a couple months ago. The conversation went a little like this:
Girl 1: My dad said you shouldn't vote Trump because he makes bad choices!
Girl 2: But Hilary Clinton makes bad choices too!
Me: Whoa, whoa. What are we talking about over here?
Girl 1: How Donald Trump is bad and says not nice things.
Girl 2: My dad says Hilary tells lies.
Me: Right. So who am I supposed to vote for?
Boy: You could vote for that other guy? I don't know his name.
Girl 2: Or you could just not vote.
Girl 1: Yeah. Just don't vote!
And all 17 preschoolers in the classroom all started slamming their fists on the table and chanted "DON'T VOTE, DON'T VOTE, DON'T VOTE"
Unfortunately not. I loved my Government teacher. One of the things he taught us was that the Greeks had a word for people that didn't participate in he election of the leaders of their governments: idiota
KayeChan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:51:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lunch Lady here for a 5th and 6th grade school.
Boy: "I want Trump because he can help pay off America's dept!"
I just smiled and said "Oh!"
Teach 6th grade elementary at a Title 1 school and we watch CNN Student News every day. The kids HATE Trump, in fact it's like the worst insult in school to say "YOU like Trump" to another kid. Hilary they like and are rooting for against Trump, but the one person they are all captivated by is Barack Obama. You will never see a 6th grade classroom shut up and listen like they do when President Obama is speaking. Truly gonna miss the guy, politics aside he's been a great role model and inspiration for minority kids
Have you actually watched CNN Student News? It's literally the most ho hum summary of the news that happened the prior day. If you can watch it and point out where these kids are being "indoctrinated" I'll consider finding something different
Is CNN Student News seperate from CNN's obvious bias and agenda pushing?
It just sounds like a weird coincidence that your students dislike Trump and root for Hillary and watch something CNN related everyday. It just sounds a bit one sided.
What reasons would a bunch of inner city kids have to support Trump? Aside from CNN Student News, you don't honestly think that a bunch of black and Hispanic students just MIGHT have their reasons for not liking Donald Trump?
And are these black and hispanic students aware of Hillary's many and much more severe flaws?
After all the media is constantly going on about how racist and sexist Trump is, so I don't think it comes to anyone's suprise that students of minority groups only exposed to that view aren't liking him very much.
Maybe the CNN Student News is different, but I find it very hard to put any trust into any news network that operates like this.
"Don't go check the facts for yourself, you get the facts from us."
But don't get me wrong, I'm not intending to defend Trump or any of his bigotry, but your initial statement just sounded like this whole issue is treated in a very one-sided manner.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you need to sit the fuck down and watch CNN student news. Jesus christ, I think you are the one who is indoctrinated here
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean you have never seen CNN student news and just attacking OP because it has CNN in it, displaying your ignorance. Literally all the students news has is a punny young adult anchor talking about major world events from the past day
I asked earlier about if CNN Student News is different and does not promote CNN's bias and agenda.
If your description is true and CNN Student News is an objective source of information that rationally highlights both sides of all issues then I was wrong.
Sorry for being concerned that students got a daily dose of news from a program obviously affiliated with a biased and agenda pushing untrustworthy news network.
Still, maybe it could be considered to mix it up a bit and have different sources of news and maybe compare and talk about it, but maybe they're already doing stuff like that.
I do fondly remember back when I was in school and we would compare how different newspaper would report on the same events and issues and see for ourselves how different sources can paint quite the different picture.
But I'm just rambling now, so now that everything is cleared up I hope we're done.
Sorry for being concerned that students got a daily dose of news from a program obviously affiliated with a biased and agenda pushing untrustworthy news network.
If you really gave a shit about this you wouldn't have suggested Fox News.
You have to fact check every news site. Don't just trust one because it says shit you like or hates who you hate.
But Fox has a long history of of lying and be proud of it. They are the fucking worst and the bullshit Trump says is the same shit Fox has been saying for decades.
If you compare Fox News to CNN on Politifact you get these...
Fox News:
True 10%
Mostly True 12%
Half True 19%
Mostly False 21%
False 29%
Pants on Fire 9%
And for
CNN:
True 17%
Mostly True 37%
Half True 21%
Mostly False 9%
False 13%
Pants on Fire 4%
So nearly 30% of the time Fox News is just flat out false and if you add in the mostly false, half truths, and pants on fire you get a whopping 78% of the time. So nearly 80% of the time Fox News says anything it is at least a half a lie.
While adding the same sections for CNN puts them at 47%, which is bad but not anywhere near Fox News level of bullshit, CNN still manages to 37% Mostly True.
But go ahead and keep bitching about how CNN is just as bad as Fox News when it's clearly not.
I don't really have to, you've already admitted that CNN is really bad at telling the truth.
Fox News being worse is actually kind of unimportant, it was just an easy comparison and some provoking hyperbole, I'm sorry we got so fixated on that.
Maybe it's still not a bad idea to seek out a more reliable and unbiased source of news, especially when it's given to students on a daily basis.
And if CNN Student News is indeed flawless in this regard it is a shame that it is associated with such a network.
Well I fully agree with you on that, though the very same is true for CNN because again... obvious bias, no suprise with Hillary being one of the top donors of course.
I meant it was unimportant in the context of what we were talking about, which was about students being fed a daily dose of a CNN associated news show, that's all.
Some of the more politically aware do have an idea of how the Clintons were bad for black people in the 90s and the "super predator" quote as well as private prisons. But even knowing all this it's pretty much the consensus among 6th graders that Hilary is more fit for president than Trump. And frankly I don't think this is due to media, is there a more appealing side to Trump that we don't know about? Or is it that the same things he says to rile up his base just happen to be extremely racist, xenophobic, sexist things that alienate everyone else?
I think for many people it's enough that he just isn't Hillary.
That he's anti-establishment and doesn't want to go to war with Russia is like an added bonus.
But I can't really speak for Trump supporters and know what they think, though I do often hear that the media's attention is on these racist, xenophobic and sexist supporters while the average joe who's a regular american doesn't get much attention. (I guess the fanatic supporters who're crazy enough to call for civil war if Trump looses are just the better story)
But I also cannot speak for your students of course, their reason are their own and if they're at least aware of the crooked and shady things Hillary is involved in and still support her... well at least it's an informed choice.
And I don't think you can ask for more than that. (having an informed choice I mean)
It's just the news, they say what happened. Any opinions the kids have formed on presidential candidates have been on what they've witnessed from them. And being that my kids are 100% free lunch and mostly Hispanic and black, a lot of them don't like Trump
I love how some of these Trump supporters think it's just inconceivable that someone might not like Trump. As if Trump hasn't given any perfectly legitimate reasons not to like him. And since that's true, anyone who doesn't like him must have been "indoctrinated."
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for mentioning this. I'm homeschooling my son and he loves to watch the news, but I worry about what channels he's using as news sources. So many of them are skewed.
Not an elementary school teacher, but I mentor some kids.
One of them said to me today that Clinton shouldn't be president because she'll get irrational during her period.
This kid's a 12-year-old girl, and I'm a bit concerned about whatever is influencing these thoughts that a woman can't be qualified to do such a job because of PMS, and that a woman isn't in control of herself during her period.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell the kid about menopause and see if that quells the PMS fears.
Yeah, I did. I also corrected her on the fact that women can control themselves during PMS, and that if they can't they need to talk to a doctor about it.
CarshayD ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:51:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grown ass women believe this too. One of my classmates proudly stated in class that Hilary would be on period/PMSing, get so mad 'cause she "cant control her emotions" and blow everything up. Just 100% serious.
This girl probably learned it from her mother and sisters, all of whom have major difficulty controlling their emotions in general. It's likely it's just accepted they fly off the handle and blame it on their period. I'm her mentor, and my purpose is to prevent her from continuing the cycle of poverty. This notion that women aren't in control of themselves during their period is a self-fulfilling prophecy because it's just expected to not be in control so there's no purpose in trying.
This shit really pisses me off. I just hope that she sees that I, and many other professional woman are able to remain in control. Else, it'll limit what she sees as her own potential.
Says a lot about them too that they make that extreme leap. I have a genuine hormonal issue and unmedicated, I get very unstable at that time.
BUT, there is unstable, emotional, extremely irritable and then there is nuking everyone.
Even if Hillary was pre menopausal and suffered terribly from PMS (and if she were she would have the meds), why is the leap not "yeah, she might yell at the press secretary for nothing and create an atmosphere" or similar realistic options?
Why does it have to be she might "blow everything up" :s
I'm not voting for her, but, for fuck's sake you, nor the person who started this rumor, is qualified to diagnosing somebody. No doctor who has any sense would diagnose a person with anything prior to actually meeting with them. Any doctor who has done such a thing is not going to inform the public due to it being a violation of HIPPA.
Marimboo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:34:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is a librarian at an elementary school. She often hears "Hilliary should be in jail" from. From first graders up to fifth graders. When she asks them why they just say "that's what my parents said so it should happen!" Or variations of that
I work in a 100% Latino school. A couple of weeks ago many of them paraded down the hall to recess chanting "Fuck Trump, Fuck Trump, Fuck Trump!" I think I saw a 1st grader in there. Very passionate.
I'm in my first year teaching instrumental music at the elementary level. I need to recruit my students to play instruments (it is optional) and also help pick it out for them.
A few weeks ago, a teacher told me "the kids don't want to play trumpet because it sounds like Trump."
Hey, I would be fine with free nationwide instrument healthcare.
(was that the joke?)
ZPTs ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:47:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my elementary age kids watched the debates with us. We told them who we support and why and let them take it in. They only really reacted to Trump's anger.
My first experience with presidential debates was Clinton / Bush, things were a lot more difficult and boring back then. There was no obvious crazy maniac.
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its really just one....
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:09:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a Trump fan, but it's possible to dislike a candidate without supporting the other.
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[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:33:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to call you a fucking retard.
aahrg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand if you don't like Trump, but you're delusional if you think Hillary is a good choice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher but an after school coach for elementary school kids. During the time they had the voting booths at the school some kids came up to me crying saying "trump is gunna be president all those people are gunna vote for him."
Preschool teacher in a blue state. I'm actually hearing less about this election from the kids than I did in 2012. My favorite comment was a girl talking about watching the news with her family. "We had to go in from outside and my family was all watching about Donald Trump." "Oh yeah? Who is he?" "I don't know, a singer? He's not a good singer I think"
Several of my first graders last year asked what number president Trump was. Which prompted all the students to start disclosing their parents political beliefs and argue about Trump and Obama.
dukechaz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lower socio-economic middle school in the southwest. Most kids think Trump will deport them to Mexico.
The Ronald McDonald House sent a medical check-up truck to my school. My students (mostly Somali Muslims, many of them refugees) were on the playground near the truck when they all suddenly started chanting "Donald Trump! Donald Trump!"
When asked, some of them alluded that The Donald was "in the truck" for some reason, but elementary kids say totally nonsensical stuff all the time. These are all non-native English speakers though, so I personally like to think that they were all just trying to say "RONALD TRUCK! RONALD TRUCK!"
Hi! I teach K-5 (I'm in the media center). During the primaries the kids were obsessed with learning about all the candidates. We would regularly check out books to them about Ben Carson, Hillary Clinton, and George Bush (they thought he was Jeb Bush). Kids almost 100% of the time take on the beliefs of their parents, and just repeat what they say. So far, I've heard that Donald Trump is crazy and Hillary Clinton is going to jail, so pretty much everything that adults are saying. Honestly, though, they're not talking about it much. I think parents are (hopefully) shielding them from this truly disgusting election.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a big family supper, my daughter, who is in kindergarten, says, "My teacher said Trump is mean."
ih8umum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that using a [serious] tag is very important for a post like this
degabk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They parrot stuff from media and their parents. Actually learn quite a lot about parents by hearing what the kids say.
I sometimes substitute at the elementary level and it's actually depressing the things you hear in school about politics. So many children have all these misconceptions about what's happening in the country. Many believe trump is going to deport anyone who is not white, and that Clinton is an honest person. (IMO both candidates are poor choices) Also, when asked the question "are cops racist?" they answer yes, but if I word it like "are black cops racist?" They say no. It's actually a tragedy what the news outlets do with headlines like "white cop kills unarmed black man".
bufftart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5th grade teacher in Utah here. While I am in Utah, I teach in a more ethnically diverse part of the state. I haven't really heard any comments about Hillary, but for my latino/a students Trump is something of a boogeyman. I've heard them crack jokes about him and call people "Trump" as a derogatory phrase, but they do have a genuine fear of him becoming president. Like, they had to confirm that I, as their teacher, was not a Trump supporter - Which I later found out was because if I was I would clearly want to deport them. Even from my Caucasian students, the consensus is either to be silent or speak out against Trump as well.
I work in a Title One School in the Inner City. My third graders got a Scholastic News, with a picture of Trump and Hillary on the front. I ran into this super naughty girl with a marker that she had clearly jacked from my class, as it was one of my dank scented markers.
Now usually I don't mess around when it come to jacking my dank scented markers. I thought about getting her in trouble until I saw that she was vigorously scribbling out Trump's face, saying, I quote, "My momma says f this guy."
I just chuckled to myself, asked for my marker back and sent her on her way back to the lunch room.
I teach math at an urban high school in Baltimore and talked to my students about the first Trump-Clinton debate, just because I wanted to get their insight.
They do not like Trump, most don't like Clinton either. There's kind of subtle, underlying myth that Trump is going to send them "back to Africa" if he wins though. Pretty interesting, but yeah, my students absolutely loathe Trump.
My freshman students voted overwhelming for Trump in our mock election. In our classroom discussion the consensus was that it was because he was funny and tough. One of my students asked when the next "show" was on? I said what show? He said "the show where he makes fun of that stupid bitch". I believe he was referring to the debates.
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Southern California. However I should note that these were special education students but I didn't want to mention it because I know some asshole on Reddit would make a "hur hur retards like trump" comment. The special ed students are not "retarded" they have learning disabilities and some are quite bright, they just face challenges in the regular education classes.
Obligatory not a school teacher, but I was a camp counselor this summer. One of my campers had a nightmare that Donald Trump was going to come with a group of clowns and attack our cabin.
I teach second in a neighborhood that is predominately Mexican. There are many who come from migrant families. The other day I passed out a Scholastic News that talked about the voting process and the candidates. All the kids started groaning about Trump and saying things like "he hates Mexicans and my dad is from Mexico." All of the students started to angrily cross out his face. It was a weird collective moment of disgust.
Pomgilus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher, but I have a few kids. My oldest daughter is 11, and my son is 5. I was watching the second debate while they were in the living room, and my son said to me, "Mom, when I grow up I want fluffy gold hair like that guy." And my daughter responded with, "Oh my god, (brothers name) if you ever have hair like that, I'm shaving it off in your sleep. It's gross." Lol!
My oldest has mentioned quite a few times how stupid she thinks Trump is. But the best comment from her was, "Mom, if you let me swear at home, I'd call him an A-hole, but you don't so I won't." Lmao!
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is eight and he watches the news, asking me to watch with him. We'll hear something about Trump and he'll turn to me and ask, "Can I say a swear?" And if I'm feeling generous, I tell him to go ahead, and he'll say something like, "Donald Trump is full of poop."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my 7 year old daughter told me not to vote for trump because he doesn't like Jewish people and that she likes a Jewish boy in her class.
My 9 year-old daughter, along with her classmates, repeated rumors that if elected, Trump was going to take over Minecraft and turn it into TrumpCraftโข. I guess that's one way to frighten a child.
I teach Mexican national kids who are an the US with visas. They are here because their family has either experienced a kidnapping for ransom, or are afraid that could happen
if they continued to live in Mexico . They are terrified of deportation, despite being here legally.
I am a fourth grade teacher at a school in Texas where over 75% of our student population is Hispanic. I watch CNN Student News with my students in the morning which is a 10 minute show featuring current events from around the world.
Every time the election is discussed on the show, the students have very strong negative opinions about Trump. Anytime Trump is said to he doing well or winning a state (during the primaries) the students groan or say "Noooo!!!"
Immigration is a huge issue that the students know a lot about, considering some of their parents are not U.S. citizens. There was actually a pretty big dispute over this between two of my boys (one white, one Hispanic). The white student's grandfather showed up to school with a "Make America Great Again" hat. His Hispanic best friend was very offended and started to cry at recess saying that his friend's family is racist and doesn't want him in the country anymore.
I have actually never heard any opinions on Clinton.
This is crazy that kids are being affected so strongly by this. I can't remember what I was doing during grade 4, but I sure as hell wasn't worrying about elections.
I work at an elementary school in the mornings, and tutor underprivileged kids in the elementary age range in the afternoons. One of the girls I tutor asked me who I'm voting for. I told her Hillary, and she said, "Good. I hate Trump. He wants to deport my dad."
I have a kindergartener who said she hopes Hillary wins. When asked why, she just said "because I heard Trump on the radio", like it explained everything. And it kinda did.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister teaches in an inner city, several kids think they're getting deported if Trump wins.
One of my coworkers was bragging that her 6 year old son said "Mommy, if Trump wins, he's going to kill all the black people." She laughed and said how smart he was.
I think it's kinda bullshit that this kind of ignorance is encouraged in kids. Whether you agree or disagree with Trump's opinions, he's not Hitler and he's not going to order people to be sent to gas chambers. We need to stop telling kids that the other side is evil, let kids form their own opinions, and correct them when they're way off.
You don't know what a President Trump would or wouldn't do. Hitler didn't announce the gas chamber plan until after he was elected.
AriellaX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's very close to Hitler, but the name has been thrown around so much through the years. You don't know your history. They both began their campaigns with racist arguments and went on with a lot of us vs. them. Trump is truly frightening.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that his theory should have been encouraged, but so many people wanted to ignore what was happening in Germany, even as Nazi troops took control. Trump may not be the sole aggressor in the way things have been since he announced his desire to run for President, but he's been a catalyst for racist behavior to escalate. And it's not simply racism, it's misogyny. It's insulting people who are different, in any way.
ra01062 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a second grader tell me that she thought Trump should be elected so that, "We would have someone to blame all the bad things on." Her kindergarten sister also said he was evil and would destroy the world.
Luckily I'm good friends with their parents and we had a nice laugh after. I asked how they knew that about Trump and their reply was a simple, "Well my parents told me so!"
Sub here, had a long term 4th grade job. A student looked up "Hillary Clinton naked" on his laptop. I was both amused at the absurdity and upset that he used his laptop in an inappropriate way at school
I had a sparkly blue-eyed six year old look at me through his mop of curly blonde hair and whisper, "Donald Trump is a liar" when I asked the kids if they knew who our candidates for president are.
I also have a lot of ELL kiddos (english language learners, mostly hispanic and middle eastern) who are terrified he's going to send their parents back to their home countries.
In addition to that, most of my kids just flat out don't like Trump because they hear him say mean things on the news and debates. We talk a lot about using your words to help, not hurt, so that's probably why they're so focused on it.
Not much about Hillary. Everyone's pumped about the idea of a woman as president, but it's not like they're familiar with her economic policies or whatever. They like her pantsuits.
EDIT: Just thought of something that's old news to me, but some people might find interesting. In the two districts I've worked for, we have very specific guidelines for how to discuss the elections with students. They're written into our contracts. Pretty common-sense stuff, like you can encourage high schoolers to vote, but not who to vote for. You can work for a campaign, but you can't make any calls or texts related to it on school grounds or during contracted hours. You can wear campaign materials on your own property, but you can't put anything on actual school property. So for example, you can wear a Clinton campaign t-shirt inside your classroom, but you can't make your classroom computer's desktop background say "Vote for Clinton."
Hemlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They like her pantsuits.
Made me smile.
AZGzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love what you do, and what you are doing. Have a blessed day!
Substitute teacher in a very red state. I teach at a very low income school. This is what I hear. The Hispanic kids are terrified they will be sent back to a country they do not know regardless of the fact they are legal. They may have a neighbor or family member who is not therefor they think they will all be jailed or deported. A large percentage is deeply offended by what they hear.
A black friend of mines 9 year old daughter was told, "When Trump is President, You are gonna have to be my slave."
It's horrifying the things I hear from the intermediate teachers. Older kids think it's funny to be controversial. First graders don't really have much of a clue yet, but they're really in tune with the anxiety they see in the adults around them when it comes to this election.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who is a substitute teacher in inner city schools of LA. She's white and every class she goes to they ask her if she's going to vote for Trump.
My seven year old neighbor said he'll move to Canada if Trump is elected. He must have pretty solid resources for being seven.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 9 year old came home and told me a kid told her that Trump is going to start a war and Hillary is going to ban all squirt guns. The choice is clear: hands off my Super Soaker!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Trump or Clinton, but the other day a kid in my class asked "Do people sometimes put microchips in their skin?" I said, "Yeah, some people do that." "Why? Maybe because Obama?"
I nearly lost my shit. Had to take a short time out.
The students in my classes are pretty predictable. I know most of the parents and I know their political leanings. The students say what their parents say....
TIL that kids are WAY more into politics these days. Also I'm very glad that my parents didn't try (and aren't trying) ideological indoctrination with me.
McWaddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 9th grade English. I had them write an answer to the prompt, "Explain why people should vote for you," using an appeal to logic. My favorite answer was, "Vote for me because I'll never delete any e-mails."
Couple of 9 year olds having a dicussion, one kid says he's going to get his hair cut that day and another kid points to a picture of Trump and says, "like his?" Kid responds "No, not like him, because I'll have bad hair and no one will like me."... Couldn't help but laugh at that.
I'm no teacher but Nickelodeon has been running presidential/election spots highlighting who the two major parties candidates are and even brought up Gary Johnson's as a third party option.
dgaleas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see the one with trump where a kid was impressed he had his own board game?
Third grade teacher here. I've been using Scholastic News to teach the election and it had an article about Trump and Clinton in it. As we are reading, I spot one little girl drawing devil horns on Clinton. At that same table is a little boy angrily crossing out the picture of Trump.
I worked at a summer camp for 5-12 year olds this summer. Part of our activities is a leadership council for the 8-12 year olds with a President, VP, etc. We had a girl running who wanted to "Make America Great Again." After some discussion with her about what it's possible to do at summer camp, she changed it to "Make Camp Great Again." We asked her if she thought camp wasn't great already, and maybe she could use different words to describe what she wanted to do as President. This girl had such a hard time getting past "Make America Great Again."
My wife teaches under privileged children in Harlem. The majority of her first grade children think that trump is already the president and that he's going to get rid of all the Spanish kids in the class.
My sister (6) calls them Donald Dump and Hillary Shrimp-ton.
MANNSAV ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher but I do teach a class of 6 year olds on Sunday. One girl raised her hand and when called upon, she said "did you know Hillary Clinton is a baby killer?"
I teach 3rd grade, and I have this student who is the perfect American citizen. For his Language of the Day prompt of "What is your favorite show?" he wrote about CNN. He watches both the presidential and vice-president debates and informs us about what happened. While other students are counting down the days to Halloween he is eagerly counting down the days to Election Day. He is very anti-Trump and will tell the entire class.
The kicker? He is in a dual language class (he's white) so most of the students are Mexican. I already had a parent tell me her son has come back home terrified that his grandparents will be deported.
I teach 3rd grade in brooklyn. They don't know much about politics, they just know they collectively hate Trump.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, there are waaaaay more little kids that talk about these 2 than I would have ever expected. When I was their age I didn't know or care about politicians at all.
Middle school teacher. They very clearly parrot whatever their parents say, which is really upsetting no matter which side they're on as it shows they aren't thinking for themselves.
spolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i heard this from my grand daughter about trump, she is against him, when i asked why she really didn't know, so we discussed policy's only, both sides, and she is against trump for wanting to divide people, and treat people different from how he wants to be treated.
in her eye everyone is the same and her words, we all stuck here together , we might as well get along.
Wisex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory not an elementary school teacher. But my 8 year old sister came back from school and told me "[insert boys name here] says that Hillary Clinton doesn't like my skin color" I didn't know how to respond, but I told her it's obviously a lie and that neither Trump or Hillary hates her for her skin color.
My 8 year old student (from the inner city and a Spanish-speaking household) came up to me the other day and said, "Mrs. Lonelytunes, you know what I heard on the news? Trump is making fun of Spanish, and Chinese, and French, and English, and all the different countries. He's being mean. He can't own his own country." After speaking about this topic for several minutes, he stated, "Hillary helps the senior old people cross the street. Rocco Bama helps the senior people, the boy senior people, cross the street too. But Trump doesn't help ANY of the seniors. He doesn't want to help NO ONE. He only cares about himself." He also suggested that Hillary, "Rocco Bama", and Trump should all share the country, so I'm not positive he understands the concept of democracy quite yet...
you should have told him about how hillary ripped off the election by having the head of the DNC steal it from Bernie.. and then you should have told him that when Hillary was a lawyer and a little girl just 4 years older than him got raped so bad she was in a coma for 5 days that Hillary was caught laughing at the little girl and that she told the jury that the little girl liked older men ..
First, regardless of the truth of your initial claims, your intent was weird and your suggested actions inappropriate. Your main thrust was one of deflection. The ONLY proper response to children in that setting discussing that particular issue would have been to stay on topic and raise appropriate counter-examples - showing where Trump has done similar good things. Or possibly explaining away or minimizing whatever the child[ren] thought Trump was doing that to them equated as making fun of various groups. Cannot do eitther for those? Then just keep quiet.
Gaslighting or deflecting or switching to a mode of trashing Hillary is not appropriate.
This is becoming all the more relevant as more things come up. If you wish to defend Trump, you really do have to stay on topic and address each issue as they arise without drawing false equivalences, denying realty or deflecting.
i see .. never say anything about hillary.. because its not a choice between two people its whether or not anyone is worthy to run against her..
the fact is you teach the facts .. you dont as you say
just keep quiet.
because children and adults and everyone deserve at minimum the full and complete truth and then at that point you can make a decision on which facts are relevant or not and make a choice based on Facts and not....
what someone is willing to tell you or allow others to tell you...
That is the whole point behind Wikileaks.. its because no one will say the truth.. and we deserve the truth... and without it we can not make good choices.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you're trying to reason with this person, but their username is ZippyTheChicken. I doubt they're capable of understanding anything that doesn't involve their pecker.
It is definitely true. Also look into her work about children's rights from the 70s, it's a fucking joke.
zedude2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a summer camp and an 8 year old Muslim girl talked to me about how her parents plan to leave to the country if Trump is elected. She is a good kid, so I hope things go well for her and her family.
I have a relative who teaches a poor, inner city grade school with a student body that is 90% black. According to my relative, the kids are firmly convinced Trump is going to kill all black people when he becomes President.
Now, I don't fault the kids: they get this nonsense from their parents. It's just.... can you imagine if someone lived their life with that kind of deranged outlook? They'd probably see racism everywhere in their country and no amount of factual evidence would convince them otherwise--
...oh, wait...
caroja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the same expression of fear we hear from the poor students here. Our district has 35% of its studunts below the Fed. Poverty line. As though their poverty were a criminal act. It's really awful considering they have no control over that factor in their lives as children. I have this thought like a mantra "What is WRONG with people ?".
I'm a substitute, so I don't see these students every day-I'd just met these ones (fourth or fifth grade) in particular. I was working as a pull-out teacher with small groups or one on one. One of the girls I was working with on writing had written a short essay on Canada, which she had just visited. It started with "Canda [sic] has ketchup chips" and ended with "I love Canada, if Trump wins I'm moving to Canada."
The last bit was what she was most excited about. She turned to the other two girls in our reading group and announced it loudly to them as well. One of the girls (she was a recent immigrant) turns to face me, absolutely straight faced, and says "I have Mexico."
I'm late to the party, but my middle schoolers are having a hard time realizing what the candidates have ACTUALLY said vs what the SNL version of the candidates have said.
But I mean, we all are, right?
caroja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SNL is the only political program I pay attention to now. Everything else is too depressing.
My mom is still convinced that Sarah Palin actually said that she could see Russia from her backyard. The confusion these kids are experiencing isn't surprising considering the fact that half the shit said on SNL is believable, especially the Trump stuff.
zebrahdh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Church told my nephew this morning that Hillary Clinton will let people kill babies...
I work at my churches day care and one time I was playing with a little girl, probably 2 or 3, while my co-workers talked about politics. She randomly turned to me while we were playing with the kitchen set, and said "I don't like Donald Duck, he's mean to girls." Then went right back to playing without missing a beat.
My nephew (8) on Trump: "The one problem in this entire world is Donald Trump."
My niece (11) on Hilary: "Everyone knows Bernie should've beat Hilary and been our next president."
I teach 1st grade in a school that is 98% hispanic. The topic of the election was brought up briefly and a few of the students said things along the lines that Trump is a bad man.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Silly children cant think critically I guess
9me123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter came home distraught saying "Olamae has to move back to move back to Mexico if Trump becomes the president, and he likes to grab cats and hurt them. Mommy I want the girl to win".
I work in a middle school but I figure that's close enough. I saw one Mexican student of mine climbing a massive chain link fence that surrounds the basketball court outside the school.
Me: What are you doing? Get down.
Student: I'm practicing for when Trump gets elected.
It was both funny and depressing at the same time.
My students find trump hilarious. I printed out coloring sheets and snuck in some hillary and trump color sheets as well. Students would get Trump and color him to look like the Joker or Colonel sanders
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tutor Chinese kids online. One 12yo is quite into international current events and brought up Trump after the first debate... he was flabbergasted and kept saying to me/mumbling to himself, "Trump's so dumb!"
Several of my kids have said that Donald Trump hates them because they're Mexican.
One of my kids told me so-and-so called someone a Mexican and that's a racist term. It made me so sad to explain that being Mexican is an actual thing, and it's not racist to call a Mexican Mexican.
One kid in my 5th specific learning disorder self-contained classroom said that Donald Trump assassinated Abraham Lincoln.
Some of my students were very upset, they were on the verge of bursting into tears during class one day last year in fear that they or family members would be deported. I haven't heard much from the kids this year, but I probably will hear more in the coming weeks. I suspect that if he says something crazy that gets on the news, it will get repeated in school over the next few days after the kids hear their parents talking about it. I work in several ethnically diverse inner city schools in the northeast United States.
This is super late to the discussion, but, last year my son (10) was really upset when he got off the bus. I asked him why. He said, "Arman was crying." I asked why Arman was crying...he said, "Arman said that if Trump wins, he and his brothers and baby sister will have to leave. It's not fair. They were born here just like me." So, an elementary school kid was crying in fear on the bus because his family is Muslim and he's afraid of forced deportation.
I'm in the UK. We recently had school council elections. One of my children was elected purely on the basis of his use of Trump memes. He ended his speech with 'We're going to build a wall! Vote Trump.' Kid got mad votes.
Not a school, but I work at a daycare. I've never heard a word about Clinton, but I occasionally hear lunch time talk about how Trump is a "mean guy."
maedwe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Junior High, but an 8th grader made this delightful portrait of the Sexual-Predator God-Emperor.
Edit: Oh yeah, some students were supposed to think of a scary place for a narrative and one kid said, "Donald Trump's house."
LuluWoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm probably too late for this to get seen but...
I worked in a Title 1 school last year teaching 3rd grade. Title 1 schools, for those of you who do not live in the states, are schools that have populations of socioeconomically disadvantaged students. There isn't really a racial divide in these schools across the US, but the majority of my students happened to be of varying Hispanic descent.
My students really loved playing tag. Originally it started out as Zombie Tag. One zombie would try to tag all the humans running for safety towards the brick wall. No problem.
It became problematic when they turned it into Trump Tag. Suddenly, my class of 27 Mexican kids were running from "Trump" towards a "great wall."
I admit I locked myself in my class and laughed for a while after that.
Honestly, my kids knew exactly what they were doing. Many of them have immigrant parents, both legal and illegal. They're scared their entire worlds are about to get turned upside down on them. It's heartbreaking when your students are telling you "Trump wants to make my dad leave me and never come back, I won't have a dad anymore."
pmartin1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:13:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL that grade school kids have more sense when it comes to Donald Trump than about half of my Facebook friends.
milxs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:19:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if this counts, but I attend high school in New York City. A very blue city and my class is no different. I myself disagree pretty strongly for Trump, but I decided it would be fun to pretend I was a Trump supporter in my government class. I stated some of Trump's platforms, some that are pretty easy to refute (economic platforms, immigration, etc.). No one in the class of about 30 people was able to successfully argue against one of my points. It made me pretty sad, judging that they should have at least some political knowledge. For the most part, they blindly support the party their parents and peers have been supporting, for that reason alone.
Not a teacher, but my 5yo said she wants Hillary to win because "it's about time a girl ran things" and doesn't want the Donald to win because 5yo uses bigger words than he does.
I am not a Hillary fan by any means. I was a Berniebro.
But, right is right and fair is fair and in all fairness I have to say that Hillary has spent a lifetime in Public Service and has many accomplishments to her credit.
She knows the World Leaders personally and Trump wouldn't know them if one walked up and kicked him in the nuts.
She has negotiated with World Leaders and gotten treaties put through. Not all good but I still have to acknowledge it as an accomplishment.
Trump started life rich and I bet he has never seen the inside of a grocery store.
He has no political knowledge.
He doesn't even know how laws are made nor does he even know which house of Congress is responsible for making up the budget.
If a Congressman who didn't do what he wanted him to do was in his office Trump would say " you're fired " thinking he got rid of the problem and the Congressman would laugh in his face.
And Pence, oh my gawd, he is even worse than Trump by far.
Trump is too stupid to get anything done but Pence does know something about working in government.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence "knows" that women should have to have funerals for their aborted or miscarried fetuses. If Trump had chosen anyone else at all as his running mate, I might have actually given him a modicum of consideration. But if Trump gets elected and something happens to him, Pence is President? No.
Politics is hard for women. I remember Edwards making a comment on HRC's blouse in a debate, and the infamous Obama telling her she's 'likable enough'. That was on TV, imagine what's thought/said about them having power behind closed doors by a decent amount of them. That being said, she's the absolute best AI version of a woman running Goldman-Sachs 12.0.1 I've seen yet.
Mostly they talk about how they don't like either and wished to Bernie Sanders was running still. Oddly these are kids of pretty conservative parents.
Turing45 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:25:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in a Title 1 school in Arizona where I am one of 3 white people in the entire class. One of my African-American children brought it up in front of the class during social studies and she said that she was afraid because she felt the Mr. Trump hates black people and Mexicans and that since he has a lot of followers, there are a lot of people who hate People like her. She then went on to ask me "Mr. Turing45, are YOU going to vote for Trump?" I replied that I chose to be in her school and in her class, and besides, I'm not someone Mr. Trump would much care for. It pisses me off that my kids are scared, they are 7 and 8 years old, they should be making handprint turkeys and planning what they want for Christmas.
Instead of feeding into her fears why not tell her there aren't a lot of people who hate blacks and Mexicans. And make sure she knows trump doesn't hate them either
Turing45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then she would know im a liar the minute she watches the evening news, goes on the internet or even walks down some streets in the city she lives in. Reality is a scary fucking place lately and Im not going to sugar coat it for them. There are haters out there, sticking heads in the sand and pretending it doesnt exist leads to things like we saw less than 100 years ago. Do you need a history lesson?
mtux96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or you can tell them that politics can be complex and thereล a lot of different reasons why someone might support one candidate over the other including the fact that they just dont like the person running against them, you know just how many people are just voting for Hillary because she isnt Trump instead of just voting for another person that is running that isnt a Democrat or a Republican.
Turing45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had a very in depth conversation about it, but they have seen the news reports about the ralleys and heard the talk about the wall as well as the fact they are all very aware. They live in one of the states that is on the forefront of the immigration issue and it also has a very stark racial divide.
My kids use Trump as an insult. Whenever they call someone out for being rude, they say, "Don't be a Trump" There is a general consensus at their elementary school that he isn't nice and have no idea why adults don't see through his BS the way they do. Clinton isn't mentioned.
You know this new saying is posted on this thread a few times. I really want this to be a thing.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:17:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people want him to win because he is an asshole. They see it as "he isnt afraid to speak his mind" or "he doesnt filter his ideas for PC". I dont get it, a rude asshole isnt really the best person to make representative of a whole country
Who are you trying to mock with that comment, no really, I can't tell
bargman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tutor a bunch of English-speaking rich Korean kids who go to this super expensive international school. Over the summer it seems like every week they would come in with a new bonehead quote from Trump. One kid kept asking me for a small loan of a million dollars. They also frequently asked me, an American, how someone with no political experience like Trump even gets this far in the election process.
Lftegs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach at a school that is predominantly Hispanic, one 5th grader said " If Trump becomes president then my Daddy is going to have to flee the country and that's no good because I am a daddy's girl." Then an African American student said, " Well then I am voting for Trump!"
syth406 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taught 6th grade special education last year. Low income school in Southern California. We read an article about the candidates last year. They all instantly recognized Trump as "that racist guy that wants to send Mexicans back to Mexico" and had no idea who Bernie and Clinton were - just some old guy and old lady. They thought maybe they were married to each other, when I asked if they knew who Hillary's husband was.
I'm a fourth grade teacher and we are studying government now. The most heartbreaking comment that I heard from one of my kids was a black girl saying "if trump wins, we'll have to move to Canada because he hates people that look like me"
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that from a white student when Obama was elected.
I'm late in the game here and this will probably get buried, but oh well.
I'm a substitute teacher (in Canada) and I get to travel to a lot of different schools and interact with a variety of students from different income and racial backgrounds.
Overall, from what I have experienced, the kids are really indifferent towards Clinton. Trump though? Good Lord, he is the biggest joke to them. Even at the mention of the name Trump the classrooms erupt with laughter and kids start shouting things like "HUUUGE" and "I'm going to build a wall!" He is seen as a clown and cartoon character void of any respect.
I've also experienced a darker side of all of this in that I've had students of various minority backgrounds tell me that they are afraid that he will come after them. Let that soak in for a minute - children in other countries are afraid of him.
It's really troubling to see the negative ramifications of this election on these kids. Granted their opinions will change, they are currently growing up to view the US as either a joke circus or a place of fear and hate because of Trump's elevated status.
oldude ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got a (17 yr old) kid that wears his red MAGA baseball cap everyday...with a creepy grin on his face most of the time. All his peers pretty much give him a wide berth, ignoring the hat. I off-handedly hinted as to "what's with the hat, dude?" and got a "I just wanna watch the world burn" followed by a malevolent chuckle. I've joined his peers...
juicius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but a parent, and my 9 year old daughter keeps telling me that Trump is a bad man. I don't disagree but I have a problem with teachers (apparently, since there's no one else who could have) are indoctrinating the kids on matters that they don't yet fully grasp.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's most likely they heard from another kid, not a teacher.
I'm a day care attendant and a camp leader. At camp, we had a kid going around saying that Donald Trump was the "smartest man running for president" and that Hillary is a "murderer" and Bernie Sanders wants to "take away our freedom." This kid also referred to the president by the n-word and said that "Donald Trump is going to send Mexicans back where they belong." Considering how well this kid actually interacted with Latino campers, I was disgusted his parents instilled such bigotry. He was very proud to be white though... I had another camper, also white, joke "white people can't dance" and this Trump kid smacked him right across the face and said "White people can do whatever the hell they want! They're just as good at it as Mexicans or blacks"
A lot of kids at camp and the day care say they love trump and can't wait till he's their president because "he'll make everything better for mommy and daddy"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An opinion isnt really wisdom, and if she's 8 she shouldn't be saying that kinda stuff...
Scones93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are right an opinion isn't wisdom, but wisdom and insight do inform our opinions. It was just a joke my friend relax. And besides it looks like the parent handled it quite well.
Also apparently it's an 8 yo boy haha i thought the kid was a girl too, must be the language choice, where I grew up it was mostly girls/women who used the word bitch
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3rd grade class is terrified. I live in a town of mostly what is considered minorities, so I hear the fears of children who are not catered to by America.
About 60-70% of my class are Hispanic; but they speak fluent English, know American history, are behaved, intelligent, willing to learn, and are all around amazing children (I say this disclaimer because many people have tried belittling my class' fears because they're Hispanic and not white - which is terrible that people think my class has any less importance than others).
These kids LOVE America, most have never stepped foot in Mexico or any other country, and their parents put in the work. These kids and their families belong here. However, they are in full fear that if Trump wins, they won't get to learn here anymore. They're afraid to go back to where their family is from because they don't know any different than America. I've heard kids cry for fear they'll be deported in November if Trump wins; of course they're too young to realize they won't get deported the minute he enters office, if he does, and most adults, much less children, don't realize how impractical mass deportation is (just ask Hitler why he started concentration camps).
On a slightly less serious note, here are some quotes the kids have said about Trump:
"Trump's hair looks like poo-poo."
"Did Trump own slaves?"
"Why do people like a man that doesn't like everyone? What happened to treat others how you wanted to be treated?"
"Is Trump orange for Halloween? ("He's always orange!") "Oh, did he work with Willy Wonka?"
"I only said [Johnny] and his friends were black 'cause they are! Trump says it all the time."
"When I grow up, I wanna be president so I can show the world what love is because Trump is a hater."
"If I get good grades, will Trump keep me here?"
"[Ms. Teacher], [Sally] said she doesn't want to work with me because I'm Mexican and that Trump said my family does drugs!"
"If we get in trouble for not being respectful, then why is Trump not respectful? Why isn't he getting in trouble by anyone?"
They literally just call Hillary "the lady." When they ask each other who they or their parents like, they ask, "Do you like Trump or the lady?" Lol.
loki143 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:37:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a lot of students say "I don't like Trump because he doesn't want people like me in the country." I have a lot of Hispanic and Muslim students.
Some of the hispanic students are undocumented immigrants or they have family who is undocumented. Most of the muslim students are immigrants, and Trump wants to stop Muslim immigration (for at least a while).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I didn't know kids read the news and formed their own opinions on current politicians.
Well, we're trying to encourage them to do just that. I don't know exactly how much they're forming their own opinions and how much they're influenced by family and friends.
Back in elementary school, we had a class election, and our teacher promised to cast her vote whichever way the class decided. So we all had 1/20th of a vote! It made us take things so much more seriously.
Dukakis won in a landslide because he had better hair than George Bush Sr.
We are mostly Mexican American with maybe 10-15 white students. One of the white families is a bit racist and so their kids come in saying "We're going to kick you all out and build a wall so you can't come back." They're not well liked.
Not to make a larger statement about race relations, but it's what's happened at my school. Several parent meetings with the students parents so the dislike they give off is apparent as well as the words they teach. Student tells of many relational aggression instances, but so far no bigotry against them.
Kids just parrot what their parents say, for the most part. So at least in advance of parent/teacher conferences you can know if you're dealing with a maniac or an idiot.
They typically mirror what they hear their parents say. Most haven't formulated their own opinions yet.
Unbo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school, but one of my students for a presentation went on about how Trump was "Extremely charismatic, smart, intelligent, and fit to lead this country more than any other candidate in decades."
I'm not allowed to make any sort of political comments, sadly. Gotta keep that shit neutral I guess.
My stepson is in 3rd grade. He said kids in his class got bullied for saying they liked Trump. He personally claims to be all about Bernie (his dad & dad's wife I guess. His mom is apolitical and I've had many in-one-ear-and-out-the-other conversations with him about Proudhon and Bakunin and why I vote green). My daughter who is in Kindergarten at the same school knows the names Trump and Clinton but doesnt really understand much beyond that.
I'm a special education para in an emotionally/behaviorally challenged classroom. My students are 4th-6th grade boys. Things I've heard them say:
"Trump is a very bad man!"
"I hate America because Trump is going to win."
"I hate Donald Trump!"
I haven't heard any of them mention Clinton. I'm not a Trump supporter, so I was secretly happy to hear them say those things.
I'm in a very blue state on the west coast near a large city. I'm also at a school with a large Muslim, Latino, and African-American population, so my educated guess says that Trump isn't too popular here.
I live I'm Mississippi. I'm not a teacher. I also don't talk about politics out loud because I believe this election is bananas and an insult to democracy. However, a few weeks ago, my 6 year old son said he had a video game idea. The game was about fighting zombies or something. Typical kid stuff. It ended with Trump being the last boss. When you beat him, my son said "That will wipe the smirk off of his face!". He has never heard my wife or me discuss the election.
I'm a parent, not a teacher. My 7-year-old son was playing video games in another room and he ends up dying. I hear him say, "Goddamn Trump!". To him, Trump is apparently a synonym for asshole.
I'm a therapist who works with school age kids. My company helps run social groups for kids who otherwise would have a hard time understanding social constructs or making friends on their own. Anyway, I was in a group with kids ranging from 10-13 years. I voted in the primaries, so I was wearing my "I voted" sticker. They all immediately asked who I voted for, and before I even had a chance to answer, they all started saying "I hope it was for Bernie!" and broke out into a chant "BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE" and then one kid said, really solemnly, "my mom voted for trump."
fast forward to last week, and these kids have now moved onto chanting things like "dump trump" or making fun of his hair or how ridiculous an idea it is to build a wall. I honestly approve of the conversations but have to cut them short to stay on topic. But at least they're all socializing.
margotgo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was subbing in a 6th grade class and one boy came into the room in tears because another boy called him "donald trump." Worst part is the poor kid does look a bit like Trump.
Watched a girl and a boy play "present able debate". It started like this. Boy: I wanna build a wall
Girl: I wanna email people
Boy: you're ugly and a liar
Girl: me a liar? You lied about paying people
Boy: at least I'm not stupid
Girl: oh really? You were stupid enough to fight me.
At that point, the boy charges and the girl sidesteps, and he runs into a tree. Yes, I should have stopped it, but....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, I am a soccer coach, and my eleven year old boys always joke shout "WE HAVE TO BUILD A WALL" any time there's a direct kick, usually with hand motions and everything.
"Donald Trump is going to make the Mexicans pay all our taxes." Second grade.
Morgank6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grader on Hillary, "She's going to take all our guns away." Most of my students are afraid of Trump though, high immigrant/1st gen US population at my school. The guns comment was from one of my two white students.
beebstx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SIL teaches a second grade class of predominately Indian children. They asked her if she was going to vote for trump. They said they don't like trump because they're afraid he'll send them all back to India.
We pass out Scholastic magazines on Friday in first grade. One of them had a VERY basic description of the election and had pictures of both candidates. He drew a huge "x" over Clintons face and put a mustache on it. He circled and put a check mark beside Trump. It was just very interesting to me to see how quickly and enthusiastically he reacted to the pictures. He is 6.
Wife is a school teacher at a middle school. Parent called her pissed because her daughter became a Trump supporter after other kids in the class convinced her Hillary was evil. Lady was truly angry.
Not from America, but heard some 10-11 year olds talking whilst on my lunch break and I overheard one of them say 'If you like Trump, I'm going to have to kill you'
Canadian here, I work as a youth leader and last week I heard an 8 year old boy explain to the kid he was playing video games with, "My dad wouldn't let me watch the whole debate but I'm 90% sure Hillary Clinton won, Trump is full of lies." He was so determined to watch the rest at some point, it made me wonder how his parents feel about it.
DothDie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not American but during the EU Referendum here in the UK I saw a 5 year old talk about how staying in the EU is better. Like Jesus Christ, how does a 5 year old know about politics.
My 10year old sisters friend said "If Trump wins he's going to kill everyone's babies, also he's gonna build a wall, doesn't he understand they'll just fly over a wall, he's a moron."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother works at an inner city school as a martial arts teacher and a couple weeks ago two of his students said "You look like Donald Trump. He wants us all to go to hell. It said so on the news."
For reference, my brother: http://imgur.com/jbwjnl5
I had trouble getting through a lesson about habitats because the word 'trunk' sounds like 'Trump', which they thought was hilarious. We live in Canada. That is all.
I teach in a low income school. Lately, all the talk has been about racism and Trump being a bad man. A couple students are on board their parents conspiracy train.
sweadle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The conspiracy stuff is around election rigging and Hillary I believe. We don't talk about it much in class, but you hear things here and there. Especially, when we read the Time For Kids edition about the magazine.
lolpeepz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's that trump is a lizard being from the planet xt476
3rd/4th grade science teacher here. I work in Philadelphia. Half of my kids went on a field trip, recently, so the ones left behind had a movie day. We watched on YouTube. The stream was interrupted several times by Donald Trump ads. These were the the responses:
"Donald Trump is going to build a wall between us and Africa."
"Donald Trump is going to send all the Black people back to Africa."
"Donald Trump is going to start a war with Africa.โ
"Donald Trump is going to start a war with Mexico."
"Donald Trump is going to start a war, and I don't think he knows who he's starting with."
โDonald Trump is all for global warming. When the seas rise, the angels of the apocalypse will come and bring the rapture. He wants the rapture because it will kill all the Jews."
"Hillary Clinton's not white." (This is a huge compliment, BTW)
My mom told me about a kid in her class who said that if Trump was elected, they'd move out of the country. Upon asking where they'd move, the kid said "Florida!"
Not a teacher but mother of 2 boys with autism and both are half Mexican. The nine year old, who is the highest functioning, takes everything he hears literally. 2 weeks ago he came home from school crying and I can't make this up. I said, "What's wrong honey?" Through his sobs he finally said, "Trump wants all the Mexicans out of the USA!!! Will the other half of me have to go back to Mexico??"
I was a tutor for a while. I had an eight year old ask me if Trump gets elected, will his whole family be deported? He said he didn't want to have the leave. This is his home. I explained he's a citizen and cannot be deported. No one would let that happen. Just broke my heart.
My cousin is an ESL teacher to kindergarten-age students, and one of her students once asked her "Miss, do you know about Donald Trump?" She told him yes, and asked "What about him?" And he said, in broken English,
I teach 6th grade math. I play CNN student news in the morning and they've been covering the election.
"If you're a Christian, you shouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman. The Bible says women shouldn't hold places of power. Women were created from men. We shouldn't be able to be president"
I teach at a Christian school, so most of the students are repeating the same stuff their parents are saying. "Trump isn't great, but he's better than that liar, Hillary!" But even then, there are some that want to talk about the scary stuff Trump has sad. I have a few minorities in the room and they are very plainly against Trump.
Not children exactly (most act like it), but I live in a VERY conservative part of the USA. And since Trump has gone bananas and tanked himself, all these people who before talked about him in positive ways constantly... now don't seem to mention politics whatsoever. It's so nice. :)
That's nuts! Like ok "today we're going to be reading where the red fern grows, but first I'd like you all to know YOURE GOING TO DIE IF WE ELECT TRUMP'. Save that for your Facebook feed.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Telling them Trump will kill them has got to be less traumatic than reading Red Fern.
After saying Donald Trump in conversation recently my 3 year old replied:
"DONALD TWUMP?!" You do not say that word! That is a bad word!
No idea if she knows who or what Donald Trump is. (She doesn't watch any news)
Not a teacher but a student running for grade 9 representative in my school spent half his speech making a trump joke. "I promise to build a great great golden wall to separate our selves from the 12s, we'll have no crooked secretarys...." It's got to the point where our principal had to make him move on because the kids in the audience laughed at him and cringed real hard. He finished his speech off with "I promise not not be a semi colon and work all the time"
Oh man did nobody vote for that guy
stegdump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just asked my wife who teaches at a Title 1 school with predominantly immigrant families. Basically the poor school of the district with all the Mexican kids (in a suburb of Seattle). She said, with out even skipping a beat, that her kids say "Trump is going to deport all my family". :-(
2nd graders - a girl said her father told their family they were going to move to Canada if Trump wins. A boy responded that they wouldn't be able to because Trump would have shut down the boarders.
I'm in high school and one of my friends honestly believed that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton were siblings and said "isn't it illegal for siblings to run for office if one already did?" He also gets Donald trump and Warren Buffet confused with each other.
My 4 year old recently watched a YouTube video of Donald Trump saying China for 3 minutes straight. Now he randomly walks around saying 'Donald Trunk China, China, China, China, China, China, China... hahahahah.'
Student: Have you heard of former president, William Clinton?
Me: Yes, I've heard of William. Did you know that he is Hillary Clinton's husband?
Student: freezes, walks slowly away
I then observed as the news spread like wildfire around my room of fifth graders.
bane9907 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but I heard a couple cub scouts talking about it. One said donald trump is a racist sex offender and the other countered that clinton is going to nuke russia. I could easily tell which side their parents were voting for.
I have a close friend who is a children's librarian. She said she overheard some kids talking at the computers one day, and one of them said, "I heard Trump fucks his daughter."
Not kids (even though they act like it.) but I've heard people say Trump wants to send africans back to africa and make america white again. In no way have those words ever been said. I won't preach here because I know reddit would crucify me if I start openly supporting Trump.
Tyrandir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama was gonna invoke Sharia Law and start FEMA camps to enslave us Red Blooded Americans. Every Presidential candidate gets his/her own silly conspiracy attached to them. Trump's is just somewhat closer to some of his public sentiments than others.
I mean recent email leaks show obama is escalating aggression with russia to keep the left in power, and lookie what is happening
Tyrandir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to look at these emails, could you point me in the right direction? I don't like making uninformed arguments, and admittedly have not seen these. Thanks
I teach 6th grade so close enough. Two students were arguing about something and one told the other that when Trump gets elected his "black ass was gonna get sent to Africa.".....
I work in a Tier 1, high-need, low-income school with over 90% of my students being African-American/black.
They know that Donald Trump wants to build a wall between Mexico and the US to keep out "illegals" and they are very against it. They also think that because he's a blatant racist, that if he becomes president, he will deport black people back to Africa. It's really upsetting to hear - they know how little Trump (and to an extent too, Clinton) care about people like them and they voice it often.
One of my fifth graders (who is black and Native American ethnically) wrote a very passionate letter to Trump telling him that half of his descendants had their land stolen from them and essentially enslaved by white Americans on reservations and the other half were literally stolen from their land and literally enslaved by white Americans.
And he wanted to know how Trump can justify "making America great again" when in actuality he "just wants to make everyone that's white feel great by making everyone else - people like me of different colors - feel worse." My student also explained that in school we're learning about bullying and how we can't be bystanders to bullying. He included a pamphlet we gave the students that has the "signs of bullying" and wrote how Trump shows every sign.
So, I've heard my students say a lot about the presidential candidates. But what they have actually done about it speaks volumes. Kids aren't incompetent or unknowledgeable of the world around them, and they might not know all of the policies of the candidates, but they certainly have opinions on them.
My sister is a second grade teacher. One of the boys in her class has been spreading a rumor that Hillary Clinton is the one that released deadly clowns across the US. He is dead serious.
I teach fifth grade in a largely ethnic district. Our most recent reading selections featured Satchel Paige and Roberto Clemente facing racial bias. Upon reading a description of people yelling racial slurs from the stands, one of my kids Sally shook her head and whispered, "just like Trump."
I'm not a teacher but, I have a eight year old. He and his friends can't understand why anyone would vote for Hillary. "All she's ever done, is won a Grammy."
queenb09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preschool teacher here. Most of my kids saw trump on the television and think he's inhuman because he is orange colored (I told them we should not judge people based on their skin color) and most of them want Bernie to win. We are in Vermont, so we're basically white-washed and Bernie's our homeboy.
Whenever I hear "I'm rooting for Hilary because she's a girl" I teach to that...
also I once heard "we do not like Donald trump because all he cares about is money". Wise beyond her years.
I'm not a teacher, but apparently my 6yo nephew said that Trump shouldn't be president because he's 'a mean person' and 'nobody likes his hotels.'
Also, if he keeps saying mean things, my nephew will tell him to shut up and go to another planet.
bluepin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i'm an assistant teacher in a 2nd grade classroom and last Wednesday instead of teaching science my head asked if I could social studies. I asked a student if she knew who the president was...she hesitated for a second before shouting gleefully
HILARRRY!!!
I had to inform her - The current president is Obama but yes she was correct that Hilary Clinton was a presidential nominee. But overall most of the students in my school, which is in DC, hate Trump. I remember last year some of my students made jokes (fart jokes mostly) about him.
I think it's because their parents are pretty vocal about their dislike for Trump.
they all start by saying "My mom/dad says that Trump/Hillary is ____" My 4th graders dont have their own opinions.
ihabnt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First grade teacher in the south here!
Had a student come up to me first thing in the morning and say, "Are you gonna vote in the election?? My daddy says we're moving to Mexico if Hilly wins. I don't want to move..."
R33AUS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if Trump wins they won't be able to get into Mexico!
OhioMegi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach third grade in a 100% poverty school. Students have said he's "creepy", "bad", "a liar".
Funny this thread pops up. My nephews said their teacher makes them play trump vs hillary. Pretty much she tells them Trump is a jerk and hillary is a winner. I didn't know teachers were allowed to do this.
arlenna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My nephew (5) is legit afraid of Donald Trump because his dad tells him about how DT is a bad guy.
One of my 4th graders told me that Donald Trump was part of the Illuminati.
jooksta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if anyone will see this, but I'm gonna write it anyway.
My roommate isn't a teacher, but she works at the local historical museum and gives tours for kids. A 4th grade class came in and, as she does with every tour, she began by having two kids run for "tour president," but when it comes time to vote she says something like, "only people with blue eyes can vote," as a way to emphasize unequal rights. Well, a group of like five 4th grade boys started chanting, "repeal the 19th amendment!"
Late to the show, but I teach second graders and some of it has verb heartbreaking. I have had a couple students very fearful that they or their family members will be deported if Trump wins. For some of these students, this is a very real, concrete concern because have already seen it happen to people in their lives. Pretty tough stuff for 7-8 year olds to be thinking about.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump is God's candidate" from a third grader. I laughed
and then you said a little prayer to satan
Redminty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school is almost entirely black and probably around 70% Muslim. Many students are also either first generation citizens or immigrants themselves. I don't a think a single person in the building supports Trump and he's pretty openly mocked by everyone.
Not a teacher, but my eight year old nephew and I had the following conversation.
Noah: Did you know that Hillary Clinton is with them?
Me: With who?
Noah: The terrorists, that's why she's trying to take our guns away.
toycoa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Is it true that Donald Trump is going to ban all oreos?"
vulturez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kindergartner came home to tell me: "Is Donald Trump tired?" I asked why, he said "Because he is always running". Not really a political statement, more funny play on words. We don't really talk about politics at this age so everything he gets is a result of school.
My 3rd graders haven't said anything, but my 9-year-old daughter puts her hands over her ears and starts to cry when she hears Trump because she says he's mean.
bmault ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, the clowns are gonna get Trump
Kogh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a Chinese American kid ask if he'll be sent back to China if Trump became president. He is in kindergarten.
All the professional troll kids in my school will go on and on about Trump without ever being able to back up anything he's done or said with reason or logic.
2nd grader referred to him as "Tronald Dump." I had to pretend really hard that I didn't find it hilarious.
elizabro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my first graders was freaking out and crying a few weeks ago because "Trump is gonna build a wall to keep people from coming here from Mexico and my best friend is visiting his grandma there right now! I'm never gonna see him again!"
This is from my 9 year old niece, but she said "did you know there is a third person running for president under the name Deez Nutz and they have 11% of the vote?"
I am pretty sure she is wrong about that but I have not really been following politics.
mtux96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked as a summer camp counselor this summer. The kids all had some form of physical disability with most of them also having a developmental delay/autism as well. One kid with autism came from a very conservative Christian family and frequently told me that his parents were afraid. Every time I asked him "what are they afraid of?" he would say "they're afraid of Hitler Clinton becoming president". Not only that but this kid who is 14 said he was voting Trump but I kindly reminded him that 1) he can't vote yet and 2) Trump arguably mocked a disabled reporter.
In response, he said he was smarter than me and hit me. lol that was fun trying to describe what happened to the cabin leader and the director
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary school, but I long term sub GT Math for 8th Graders. One student had a "Hillary for Prison" pin on. Out of curiosity, I asked him why he thought Hillary should be in prison. His response, and I shit you not, "Because she is trying to be president and women should learn their place and not be president." Also, I'm female.
caroja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We hear the same type of logic in our school district. The ironic part is these students all have Moms who work.
My 9 year old niece said in a week she got all her classmates to support Trump.
Khalano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school district did a mock election with all the students. 70% voted for Hillary. 16% voted for Trump. 9% Voted for Johnson. 6% Voted for Stein. There were 32, 462 participants and 17, 089 were elementary students.
In my class, I hear them talk about how Trump is racist. They are fearful of deportation and taxes. I don't hear any of them talk about Hillary, Johnson, or Stein. I stay away from the topic. I don't want to dare touch it.
anewho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister coaches gymnastics for kindergarten students and one day a small Mexican girl came and asked her, "Coach, other kid told me they gonna build a wall to keep people like me and my parents out. Is my mommy going away?"
Broke her heart to hear that.
I'm an ESL teacher. While my second and third graders aren't really aware, my fourth and fifth graders are concerned. Specifically, my Muslim students are very afraid of Trump getting elected, as completely makes sense.
I work with kids and had one ask to tell me a joke. Of course I said yes so she begins. "If Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton are both in a car crash, who who will survive?"
Elementary art teacher here. The amount of Trump Walls, Trump cartoons, and Trump with a red circle and slash through it are getting ridiculous. I made a rule no politics during school (save it for home with your families) because the discussions were becoming so outrageous. "I heard Trump is going to ship anyone with brown skin to a different country! What about (insert another student's name)?" Argh.
I teach kindergarten. We were learning about election day last year, and a girl raised her hand and said her parents weren't going to vote for Trump. All the other kids then said they weren't going to vote for Trump. They then decided that they would all vote for this one kid in our class that they all liked. I then had to break it to them that none of them were old enough to vote/he was not old enough to be President, but maybe in the future.
The older kids I work with at summer camp had legitimate concerns, such as getting dragged into an nuclear war with ISIS (especially since the one Trump supporting kid kept saying he liked Trump because he was going to nuke ISIS). They were also worried about racism and xenophobia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Culturally Deaf kids do not hold back. An 8th grader handed me a paper for their history class that said, "DT (sign for Donald Trump) is evil." On the other side it said, "HC (sign again) is evil." They told me, "Nobody should be president. Everyone is bad."
Also have Muslim students who are genuinely scared of what would happen if Trump was elected. It ends up being all they talk about to me.
I teach special education in a suburban school district, and a second grade girl said to me (on Friday), "I bet if Donald Trump was [sic] president, he would force girls into his limo, touch their privates, and then kick them out. Does that sound like someone who wants to make America great?"
enjaydee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a school teacher, but my 6 year old niece:
Can we watch the show where the two people pretend to like each other?
Also not an elementary school teacher, but I heard a kid back in the primaries say, "Bernie Sanders eats so many twinkies he flies to the moon!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We were doing a game with Jenga blocks, and when I come around a few kids built a tall long wall of blocks across the floor- I asked them what it was and they said "it's the Trump wall to keep out all the Mexicans! ' .....
I'm a first grade teacher, so I haven't heard a whole lot. However, one latina girl came to school one day in tears last school year because she was convinced Trump is "going to make my mom and dad leave because he hates people like me. I wish I was American!" (despite the fact that she is an American citizen). So sad that 6 year olds can pick up on such heavy worries.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The girl"
Who?
"The girl" who's running for president
um , Hillary Clinton?
yeah , the girl.
ellinemm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with kindergarteners. One kid called another kid "Donald trump" as an insult and the other kid was very upset, "I am NOT Donald Trump!!!!" Also kids have said "Donalnd Trump is a bad person!" Not too much about hillary.
Ms_Toast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5th Grade boy to me: "Would you rather vote for Trump or a girl?"
I teach Sunday school in a conservative community, ages 5 - 10, and it's pretty obvious that the kids are mimicking things they've heard from their parents.
One notable moment was when I was teaching about David. King Saul was trying to hunt down and kill David, and went into a cave alone to relieve himself. David happened to be hiding in the cave, and so he cut off a piece of Saul's robe secretly but didn't kill him. David believed that even though he had been anointed to replace Saul as king and even though Saul was being unjust, it would be wrong to kill king. One of the girls responded with, essentially, "That's why we can't kill Hillary."
Well I Am a Sunday school teacher. Every Sunday we take time to share our "God moments" which is a time when we felt Gods presence in our life. One kid got up and talked about forgiveness and how when fighting with siblings, they have to remember to forgive our enemies. Then the kid said "I dont think I can forgive Donald Trump because he is such a terrible terrible person." The kid said they felt bad because God says we should forgive and the kid thought that God would be disappointed.
Lol. You could hear the whole church try to hold back their laughter.
The kid brought this up on their own, we never talk politics at church.
Nothing yet, but there is graffiti on the playground that says "trump sucks dicks" in permanent marker. It's been there for weeks and no one has tried to get it off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I mean most supporters of every side act like children.
Lalybi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a private school that caters to children with Autism. I heard two 11 year old kids chatting about Trump. They were so mad that he makes fun of people with disabilities. I'm so sad that they have to hear about a politician belittling them.
I've found that when most of my students talk about politics, they usually mention "well my mom said Trump is (blah blah blah)" or "my dad said Hillary should win because of (blah blah blah)". So basically, they just go with whatever their parents are telling them at home.
"If Trump gets elected, my family will have to move out of the country." -Pakistani student. My heart broke that she was carrying that around with her.
I work with preschoolers and I heard one child say.
"I'm voting for trump because my mommy and daddy are"
facepalm
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
joins you in facepalming
jiangcha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:57:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in an elementary school in Taiwan. Today my sixth grade boys were asking me if I was voting for Trump. I told them no, and afterwards they breathed a collective sigh of relief. I asked them what they knew about him and they told me he is a bad man because he thinks he can touch girls how he wants because he is rich. I was floored by this interaction, and so happy they understood consent. I have never been so proud of my students. So yea, the world is watching.
I have two elementary aged kids. My 3rd grader told me in exasperated way that if Trump gets elected he will probably a make sure women don't have the right to vote anymore. She also loudly tells anyone who mentions Trump that he hates women. Makes me proud but it's super awkward.
I remember going all the way back to when I was 10 years old and the election then was Nixon vs. McGovern in 1972. The teacher had a vote in class and Nixon won, McGovern didn't get any votes in the class.
My wife teaches sophomores and juniors in East Texas. Lots of hillbilly kids with skoal ringed jeans randomly yelling TRUMP during class. So glad these idiots can't vote yet.
I don't teach elementary, but my son is 8. We were on vacation this summer and eating breakfast in a hotel lobby with a tv set to Fox News. He saw Trump on TV and asked me if I was voting for him. I asked him if he thought I should. He said "No way! He doesn't like Mexicans or women. He makes fun of disabled people. He is just so mean! Everyone should be equal and he doesn't believe that. He would be a terrible president."
I don't watch the news at home (I read the news online) and my family rarely ever discusses politics. We live in a very red state and most of the kids he goes to school with like Trump because that is who their parents support. I am so proud of my son for forming his own opinions and standing by them despite the influence of his peers. We have had long discussions about the election process, the importance of the vice presidential nominees, the third-party candidates and their policies, and have watched all the debates. Like a lot of Americans, he doesn't like either candidate, but is dead set against Trump.
pemanah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If Donald Trump is elected, he's going to paint the White House gold."
I work at a summer camp. A camper came in for only the last day of one of the week long camps and started talking about Donald trump. I live in the Midwest so trump supporters are common, but mostly outspoken in my area. We asked him why he thought trump was going to make a good president "he is going to nuke the crap out of those terrorists!!" I have never been so scared for the future of our country.
I didn't mean it in the way that the kid was bad. But what his parents must be saying at home also worries me. He is influenced from somewhere.
bambamtx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 5 year old was putting down Trump based solely on overhearing network news. My wife stopped watching the news while he's around because of all the negativity being pushed.
adhal ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah the news and their constant promotion of twisted words and clips without the context when it comes to Trump, yet not covering all the nasty crap she has said or done. Hell CNN even went as far to say its illegal to read the wikileaks documents and to trust them to cover the info contained (then proceeded to not talk about jack of the important stuff).
adhal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:28:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id be more scared of Hillary and her constant provocation of Russia, because that would mean the entire population of Earth would be wiped out due to the nuclear winter that follows.
My students seem to break down along demographic lines. I have a lot of Muslim and Hispanic students, all of whom despise Trump. The black boys as well as female students of all races also dislike him. A few kids with disabilities don't like him because he has said offensive things about people with disabilities. The only kids who seem to support him are white boys.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Curious: what did he say about people with disabilities?
At 20 months my daughter could identify Donald Trump by sight, to my chagrin. At one point, she saw a picutre of Trump standing behind Ben Carson and said "Dah-nad Trump playing hide and seek!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was surprised at how many RW professors I had when I went back to college after the military....like A LOT. The only HARDLINE liberal I can recall was a female world geography teacher who pretty much said she didn't like me being military and that she was a staunch communist. She tried to explain the Marxist view was the future the last day of class to me...I just interrupted her and said I didn't really give a shit about her views....going back to school older is a liberating experience when teachers are no longer authority figures to you but rather someone you are paying to do a job.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cincinnati..I realize that's probably not the usual makeup...and I had a list of history and political focused classes...
Actually I had a world religion class with an instructor that was liberal. An older guy that still lived the hippie life...he was a great guy and easy to discuss things with as long as it wasn't completely idiotic POV...I.E. deport all mexicans
Cool, thanks for answering. I wondered because my experience has been very different, just in the sense that I haven't encountered -really- blatant bias in most classrooms on either end of the spectrum, both at a private Ivy-tier and a public state school. (I also studied econ/polisci/int'l relations).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one was really extremely biased..except the one... they leaned right...but held opinions across the board. Like most people. Unfortunately we have extremists who act like you have to be hardline left or right or you are racist sexist in American etc
I.e.
I'm pro second
Pro abortion up to a point
Pro gay marriage
Anti 18 gender pronouns although I believe be what makes you happy
Atheist
Anti ILLEGAL immigration
Pro legal immigration
Pro raising min wage
Anti 1%
Pro capitalism WITH heavy regulations
Among other things.but depending on the issue I'm either labeled a commie or a tea bagger
She told me that last week the kids were getting loud and talking over each other and a little boys said "GUYS SHHHHHH! We are acting like Donald Trump!"
My boyfriend teaches in a predominantly Latino school. He had one of his 9th graders ask him if he would miss them when Trump deported all of them back to Mexico. It is a real fear for some of these kids, losing their families and their own lives here in Texas. You can joke and laugh about Trump's antics, but for some his election would be devastating.
Fifth graders. I overheard my daughter's friend say "Hillary Clinton wants to kill babies." My daughter replied, "Are you sure about that?" We had a discussion about it later.
MrsSpice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
7 year old heard a news clip several months ago about Trump and women and asked who Trump is. I said he wants to be president.
"Does he have a wife?"Me: Yes"He doesn't make any sense then. Doesn't he like her? He must like girls if he married her. Would he like for people to treat her differently than boys?"Me: I'm not sure"Does he have a daughter?"Me: YesNow she is indignant: "I don't understand him! That makes no sense! Doesn't he want her to grow up and do whatever she wants? Would he be happy if someone was mean to her because she is a girl? How can he feel that way when he has a daughter?"*
Me: I agree. It doesn't make sense
"I would NOT vote for him and I bet other girls don't either."
mutatron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man l loved having those kind of convos with my daughter when she was little. Good times!
seaguns ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The conversation I had with my 7 year old son during the 1st debate:
Son-"Mom, I think the lady will be president."
Me-"Why is that, son?"
Son-"Because nothing he says makes sense. I can't understand him. I can only understand things when she talks."
ILL-AF ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read: Clinton makes sentences easy for liberals to understand
seaguns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Thank goodness she does that for my 7 year old liberal.
Am a parent not a school teacher. My 8 year old told me that her freind is worried that her dad who is Nepalese will be deported if Trump is elected. He is here legally. My 12 year old has very strong anti-Trump opinions. We live is a very liberal area so it's not a huge surprise. I will say neither of them speak very much of Clinton at all. In my house my wife 'felt the Bern', I've always been 'with her' just not nearly as enthusiastically as I was for President Obama.
My girlfriend is a first grade teacher. Most students don't speak about it but there are a few that just parrot their parents (mostly Trump supporters). Last week their computers weren't working and one of the kids who talks about Trump stood up and yelled "THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, MY TAXES PAY FOR THIS!"
I heard that Hillary is taking their guns and had a student draw Trump with a "Butt Chin". I teach 6th and some students actually watched the debates. Those students realized that Trump is "insane and rude".
4th grade teacher here. My girls voted for Hilary because of "girl power". We had a school wide election and Hilary won... in Texas. Perhaps there's a change coming.
(I'm with anyone besides Hilary, just making that clear prior)
My step son (8) came home from school a few weeks ago and heard me mention trump. He said "trump is bad!" He's watched all the debates for the past year with us. I asked him why he thought that. He said my teacher said so!"
Him and I spent an hour and a half looking at both websites and googling their points to see how they impacted citizens and which were better/clearer.
I was unbiased but did get frustrated that his teacher boasted her opinion upon students as the right ideals.
Teachers have an impact on students no doubt. I had a large majority of conservative teachers in my education through high school, but I really only knew that due to inquiring myself. I not once in my time in k-12 had a teacher talk about their personal feelings towards a political affiliation. Largely, I was taught about whatever I was in that class to learn about, heard some personal stories when we asked, and learned if we wanted to be taught. Teachers, IMO need to keep THIER politics the fuck outta the classroom. For reference, I'm 33, was educated in a catholic private school k-6, the rest were public schools in rural-ish wi.
Me and my wife were watching the debates and my 2 year old daughter looked up from watching peppa pig on her tablet, saw Trump and said "he's creepy!" Then returned to watching peppa.
Not a teacher but my aunt told me that her 4 and 7 year old daughters had a disagreement over Trump/Hillary at a restaurant in West Virginia. Apparently the 4 year old saw that they were the only nonwhite people in the restaurant so she started chanting "DONALD TRUMP! DONALD TRUMP!" really loudly and made the people laugh. Then the 7 year old said "No! He's evil, I like the woman better." And the 4 year old said "I know but I just want the white people to think we're for him so they don't hurt us." Kinda funny and sad at the same time.
I'm a teacher. My students are extremely diverse and mostly low-income, and they: love Hillary, think Trump is going to get rid of all their friends and family, and think Trump is a huge racist. All this stuff on tv, especially the ad with the kids watching Trump say horrible things, is true. They're watching and taking it in.
Good to know our youth's minds are already poisoned by the trash that we call the media. I guess you gotta get to em young before they learn to think on their own.
Portalus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:08:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter came come believing Trump was a bad word. We spent the evening looking at Trump accusations getting more press than the wikileaks facts coming out about Clinton.
I'm a nanny for 5 kids whose parents are YUGE Trump supporters (lawn sign, multiple bumper stickers, slogan hats, etc.). They asked me who I was going to vote for, but I kept my mouth shut because I'd like to keep my job. They then proceeded to talk about how "crooked Hillary" is going to ruin our country and take away all of our guns and let grown men use female restrooms. "Mr. Trump" is going to save us from the Muslims apparently. They also don't allow the kids to go to Target (because of their transgender bathroom policy) or Starbucks (because they "oppose the 2nd Amendment"). They're great kids, but I wish their parents wouldn't force their political opinions on them.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:53:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of shit you would never expect comes out of the mouths of children. One of my coworkers had to go to the parent of her kindergartener because he had yelled at the new girl, "Bitch get the fuck off my playground!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My personal favorite was, "You ain't gonna have no daddy 'cuz he's gonna get shot in the head" to a kid whose father had just recently been deployed.
Awful? Totally. Hilarious to hear from an eight year old? Horribly so.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:36:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my son was in first grade, his teacher tried to humiliate him in class and we had a talk on the walk home about how he nearly cried and didn't like that he felt bullied. The teacher was ridiculing him for coloring a pig blue on a sheet with no instructions; I sat down with him to read Green Eggs and Ham that night and taught him who Picasso is, and explained that different doesn't always mean bad.
The next day at school, the first thing he did was go up to her to tell her that he was going to color things however he wanted if there were no directions because of Picasso and Dr. Seuss. Later on in the day, she tried again to mock him and he just looked up at her and said, "We've already been over this."
I really hate when teachers try to squelch kids. I'm glad your son stood up to her!
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So am I. I've since removed him from that school and I'm teaching him myself, but I make a clear point every day to tell him he should form his own opinions of people. I don't want to sway him to think as I think. I grew up like that, even without realizing what was going on.
But he told me once that he doesn't like some of the relatives of mine that I have problems with, and I reminded him not to dislike someone just because of my history with them. He said, "I'm not. I know enough about them to know that I don't like them." And that's what's happening with Trump.
I just wish that some of my male relatives had that same attitude. They're spewing venom all over facebook and one told me that the women Trump sexually assaulted "deserved what they got." Is it any wonder that he's not in a relationship?
djmidge ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:05:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter is in 3rd grade in Arizona and came home worried that Trump is going to send some of her friends back to Mexico...it's sad that we have candidate for President that makes 8yr olds feel like this
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:21:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because all 3rd graders that are here illegally came here of their own accord and deserve to be punished because their parents wanted them to receive a decent education.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sending someone to the country that they were brought from illegally isn't really a punishment.
If they are here illegally, they should be deported, with their parents, to the country from which they came. Illegal entries displace possible immigrants that followed the rules.
I don't know about you, but I don't think illegal families should be rewarded with asylum while families that followed the process are now shafted because of the assholes that broke the law and took their spot.
Immigrant that followed the rules, is here legally, pays taxes, etc.
Immigrant that breaks the laws, is now limited to unskilled labor positions, and contributes nothing back to the US...
Yes they don't contribute anything to the U.S., except: all the taxes most of them still pay, the cultural diversification they bring, doing all of the hard underpaying physical labor jobs that most Americans seem to think they're above doing. Also, they'd pay even more taxes if being a documented worker didn't result in them being deported. And after having watch the spouses of two different family members go through the legal system to become citizen, I would argue that the government is hurting chances of immigrants who go the legal route far more than the illegal immigrants are.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:37:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm actually a child of immigrants and I'm genuinely curious... what "cultural diversification" do we bring that benefits the country? I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't like us, I just don't see what's so special about us.
I may be biased because I live in Arizona, but I get to experience Mexican culture in a lot of ways I most likely wouldn't if there weren't as many immigrants here. When people come here and bring parts of their culture, it ends up rubbing off on people they interact with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What ways do you experience it in? Is there a certain size the community needs to be for it do anything? I'm from a fairly small immigrant group, so I doubt that we have any positive cultural contribution, and just contribute to the amount of immigrants in general.
scobes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal entries displace possible immigrants that followed the rules.
How?
Immigrant that breaks the laws, is now limited to unskilled labor positions, and contributes nothing back to the US...
Oh I see, you don't understand how any of this works. Never mind.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's a nice argument. Here's the thing, you can only be empathetic to one of those. By being empathetic to the law-breakers that do not contribute anything back to society, you are being an unempathetic fuck towards the people that did everything by the book because they respect the process and want to be a real American.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's people like you that give those that share your opinions a bad wrap. If you cannot provide support for your argument and instead result purely to a terrible insult that doesn't even make any sense whatsoever in this context, then why even comment? You just make yourself and others like you look like complete imbeciles.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My argument is that you clearly don't know what empathy is, and if are incapable of identifying your sense of empathy and your ability to control it, then it's obvious you are refusing to extend your empathy out of chauvinistic righteousness.
djmidge ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what about when they aren't? You're missing the point
Its unfortunate their parents broke the law by coming here illegally but its not America's fault that they have to face consequences for what their parents did
If for example a parent robs his local Gamestop and gives the games to his kid, do you not think the cops should snatch them away from the kid (as well as putting the father through whatever legal punishments there are for his crime)?
By standing with illegal immigrants and the kids of illegal immigrants you spit in the face of the Americans who went through the hard process of coming here legally (my father is one of them)
Unfortunately it this was a clear cut issue there wouldn't be a border debate. Some people don't have the luxury to wait for the long process, and it's not like it's any easier to cross over illegally. There is danger all the time. That doesn't justify the illegality, but they are making the same types of sacrifices and hold the same dreams as anybody else. Unfortunately their limited options forces them to take the perilous route. They lack connections or knowledge, and truly they are ignorant most of the time, and when someone presents them with a seemingly easy way out, they feel like they would be fools not to take it. It's saddening, as they would consider it over staying where they are, in poverty and crime, because they know it won't change for them.
djmidge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Starting fucking world war 3. Keep funding ISIS, keep doing favours for who ever the fuck pays her. Keep protecting pedophiles from going to jail. Keep protecting her rapist of a husband.
I could make a huge fucking list if I wasn't so god damn sick off the uneducated people who only takes their information from one side of media rather than actually studying and looking into all the horrible shit hillary has done.
She has already showed time and time again that she's a lying psychopath.
esayer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because she deserves to be in jail, and she's the reason for 5000 american soldiers deaths along with 500 000 in eastern countries.
She just has no empathy at all, she's a real sociopath and deserves life time in prison, that's why i care.
And judging by your "Whatever cuck." you're not even old enough to vote, so that's good.
esayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm just saying what all you cucks say constantly. It's seriously your favorite word. Also, There is absolutely no use trying to argue your conspiracy theories with me.
Here's hillary defending a pedohpile who brutally raped a 12 year old girl, https://youtu.be/AdxMvXgCqVw?t=33 She says "I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs", esentially saying she knew he was guilty but still protected him, and then she laughed about the whole thing.
Hillary clinton selling CHEMICAL WEAPONS to a dictator donator.
https://youtu.be/Y5S2G6jm1Og?t=235
There's a few straight forward ones which doesn't require much of your attention.
I could give you so so so much more, but if you actually care and really want to find more you'd be able to do so on your own very easily.
esayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:16 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't know why you're trying to argue at me with your conspiracy theories. I voted Clinton. Bye.
Something I've learned from Reddit: Anyone who doesn't think Hillary is garbage can only be a paid shill. Nobody even grudgingly votes for her or thinks she has the slightest merit unless they've been paid off.
I'm grudgingly going to vote for her. If her campaign, or CTR, offered to buy my endorsement, I think that'd make me not do so-- and tell them to eat shit.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, most teachers are liberals. It makes sense that they (at leas subconsciously) influence their students towards their own political views
There's a very limited amount of kids who think of their teachers as parents. Majority will be indifferent to their teachers, probably just see them as authority figures they don't like.
The issue is it sounds like a lot of these comments are teachers who have enforced their opinions of people kids shouldn't even care about. They should be more interested in playing in the sand or playing with insects theyve found.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They need to encourage critical thinking. Not "mommy likes, daddy likes, I like"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I know it sounds almost like parody at this point but there is a lot of truth in the idea that people aren't freethinkers as a whole. Politics is mostly about emotion, not logic. Your parents teach you the opposition is evil, so instead of thinking for yourself you just believe it. The media bias you have pick makes you feel self-righteous about your beliefs, so you refuse to hear anything else.
Diknak ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Standard hillary delusional reply. Ignoring what is evident across the entire site and still sticking up for someone who relies on cash to sway the votes
Diknak ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are full on bat shit crazy if you think not just one subreddit, but all of reddit has been hijacked but Clinton. Why? Young people really fucking hate Trump, so it makes no sense to waste money convincing young people of what they already believe. With Sanders, it made a whole lot of sense to try and change the social media message, but it's completely unnecessary now.
It's been her campaign since day one, why change what is working and she already has established? Look at /r/politics, they have 0 threads which baxk hillary negatively. The biggest subreddit should be open to all opinions and not having trump positive posts deleted or downvoted by bots
scobes ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:45:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if you don't think the vast majority of public school teachers/professors are rabid liberals youre the one that needs their head checked.
Diknak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the comments? Most of the people say they aren't teachers....
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leftists, not liberals. Actual liberals wouldn't support either candidate (except maybe a lesser of 2 evils kind of support) but liberals haven't been in US politics for a long time.
adhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually its called CTR (Correct the Record) and there is proof of it.
The budget for CTR is like $6.5M or something like that. What's the $350M figure for?
adhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your correct there, not sure why I thought it was that high. Still a lot of money when you consider how many accounts one person alone in an office can run.
Yeah, but they do oppo research mostly. I mean, think about it this way - what's more likely: that a Clinton PAC made an out-of-touch attempt to appeal to younger voters by setting up a Facebook page and Twitter account that posts bad memes, or that they're breaking several laws to secretly influence the userbase of a website that has maybe 50% American readers and barely registers on the Alexa top 10?
adhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just Reddit, no one's claimed that it's all social media, Facebook and Twitter primarily. They have been caught repeatedly in 4chan and that is even a smaller userbase
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: CTR hard at work.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:27:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Public education system is very diverse in the US. What did you fucking expect - all white middle class public schools?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:52:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The white population is declining, and most of those white people are older. Moreover because of white flight and gentrification, the educational system in the US is heavily segregated. Public schools in the south and cities have whites as a minority. The rest of the white population goes to private or charter schools.
The only person getting triggered here is you, clearly. This isn't new, this old info everyone has known about and studied for at least 2 decades now. The fact that you didn't realize this is true by checking your local public school demographics and comparing it to private school demographics and the demographics of your town shows your willful ignorance. Willful for what reason, I can only guess.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly any kids in elementary school who are afraid trump will "kick them out" most likely just have horrible parents who try to scare them with these things.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I mean if there illegal I guess they should be reported yeah. My entire direct family excluding me are all legal immigrants and there not worried. By excluding me I mean I was the first born here.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
? If a Parent comes here illegally, then pushes that onto there child they're a bad parent. You're trying to say people coming here illegally then pushing the fact they're illegal on there children are good?
*Anyway with whatever you say next just make it your closing statement don't really want to continue this discussion.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If a Parent comes here illegally, then pushes that onto there child they're a bad parent.
What if they thought it was a choice between living here or dying there? Staying where there's a lot of violence and not much money is not exactly the hallmark of a good parent.
I work with kids and live in Canada. We were taking the bus the other day and 2 grade four kids were discussing why they think that Trump doesn't like mexicans(because they aren't american) and if he will actually build a wall.
They didn't really seem to know much about Clinton
One of our vocabulary words was "Obvious" last week. The kids had to use the word in two different sentences as part of their practice. One of my fifth graders wrote the following:
"Donald Trump is obvious because of how orange he is."
We had previously discussed how something that is obvious is easy to see or hard to miss, so when I read this sentence all I could think was, "Well, he's not wrong!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Clinton rigged the primary". A lot of kids think that it seems.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Facts? You guys don't know the meaning of the word. Your panties are in a twist cos Sanders got beaten into the dirt. Show me hard proof of election fraud. Until then maybe learn how to take a loss like an adult.
Are you one of those retards paid by Hillary that are talked of in the O'Keefe video? I think so.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no I'm not actually. So you're voting for Trump, right? That's cool. So do you think all the people calling Trump and his bigoted supporters (I'm not Jewish btw) are paid shills? There's no possible way that most of the world thinks Trump is bat shit insane?
Are you illiterate? You're the one that falls for conspiracy theories. You're the one that spreads right wing propaganda. You're the naive, paranoid one.
Lol what. The fact that Hillary cheated Bernie out of a nomination is a right wing conspiracy?
Is that why you assumed I was a Bernie supporter? Because you somehow think Bernie is right wing?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
95% of my students are Latino. I've been asked if I'm voting for trump and they're worried they'll get deported if I do. I've heard a lot of 2nd graders opinions on Trump using... choice words.
_uff_da ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My nine-year-old daughter asked me, "If Trump wins are we going to have to move?" She was under the impression that everyone would have to go back to where they were born. She is a blonde haired, blued eyed American citizen living in California. She thought she would have to move back to Texas as that is where she was born. I haven't discussed the election with her at all, but she has a lot of Mexican friends at school so I think she picked up this thought process up from them.
Bonus: "I heard Donald Trump pays $600 for a haircut! It's not even that good..."
Not a teacher, but my 7 year old daughter recently announced that "Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president, because she doesn't care about the color of your skin."
Father of a kindergartner here. I visit the school often and have sat in the class to read stories or just have lunch with my kid and her friends at school. I've been "ref" in games of dodgeball and take part in many after school activities. As in; I may not be a teacher there every day. But I'm at this school talking to kids K-5 every single week.
That being said. I've not once heard any of them utter a word about Trump or Clinton. No one, not even one child knows about the presidential race or the going ons of it.
The closest was a kid writing she was going to be a trump-ette and she just meant Trumpet, the instrument.
I'm not saying all of these stories are fake, I'm sure a few are real. But in a school with about 500 children running around and two and a half months have passed and I've yet to hear a single word about the candidates, I'd wager more than half of these stories being utter bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, high school and even some middle school is also full of memes. Trump is a huge meme, so I would buy that high school students are talking about it.
and yeah, I'm sure some kids mimic what their parents say even in Elementary school, but I'm having a rough time swallowing some kids in Canada, who aren't really exposed to the Presidential race as much as kids here are "building a trump wall" or some girl actually watching the debates and saying hillary has a "turkey neck"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really dreading the day when I'm out of the loop and my kid says a meme and I say "Sorry, what?" and she just rolls her eyes and says "nothing dad, you wouldn't get it."
She'll never know her dad was making rage comics daily when she wasn't even born.
bufftart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in a low-income, predominantly Hispanic community in a Los Angeles suburb. Every time the election is brought up or someone says "Trump," the kids can't help but say things like, "he's going to send us back to Mexico!" or "he's going to take my parents away from us!" They live in genuine fear that Trump is going to wipe Mexicans away from this country.
When I ask them who is running against him, the closest I got to a correct answer was, "a girl, right?"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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_heidin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you make a comparison, Trump is totally the reincarnation of Hitler. I'm not even a USA citizen and I am scared
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Don't you think that maybe instead of pushing your students towards your own point of view using extremist rhetoric, you should encourage critical thinking?
Actually, hitler wasn't elected, but the nazi party gained enough seats and made hitler the head of their party, and after taking out the competition, hitler became the leader of Germany.
Slightly outside of elementary (8th grade) but I had a 13 year old part Karen, part Muslim girl who rarely speaks, is incredibly polite, and an honors student on top of that write
"FUCK YOU BITCH TRUMP
Love,
Muslims"
in giant letters across her notebook. I was internally proud, but I obviously couldn't let that go.
gawro1jd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taught 6th grade in an inner city school.
"Why does he hate us?"
"He isn't going to win, right?"
"He wants to send all the black people away"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of my kids hate Trump and will quote him and laugh hysterically.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw some sixt graders put on a skit in a talent show towards the end of last school year. Still better than the current Daily show.
My third graders are scared to death that Trump will build the wall and send them back to Mexico. We were reading Scholastic News about the election and they freaked out (my class is ~50% Mexican students).
bbrosen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would kids think this? It's not like the parents snuck in illegally
Not a teacher but my 3rd grader came home from school crying. Said that if Trump gets elected he will send her best friend away because she's Muslim. She begged me to let Hilary win so her friend can stay in America. I think kinds might be more perceptive than we think.
The psyc-ops reach is that far? What media do they have access to that would give them that impression, if you don't mind me asking? Or do you believe it is the politic beliefs of their family? This is an interesting thread.
I would assume they would be! It's interesting to me what types of images and sounds are used in news coverage in general. Ya know, like how and why would they think in such ways.
lcber007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a bilingual kindergarten teacher in Texas. One of my students started saying "fuck Donald Trump". I asked him to stop, then I asked him why he was saying that. He said his grandpa told him Donald Trump was going to send his mom to Mexico.
An 8 year old student started crying because someone told her that if trump wins she won't be able to have the job she wants because he hates women. This girl has wanted to be president since she was 3, November 9th is going to be either awesome or scary for her. ๐
Did you tell her that was completely untrue, and if you put you mind to it you can do anything you want; and that many woman hold high political/business positions in this country right now?
emiltsch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend is an inner-city teacher. One of his students is a Muslim girl, 6th-grader.
She is sad and worried her Father is going to be shipped out of the country and that she will be forced to stay with an American family who hates Muslims.
Incredibly sad that's what a little girl has to experience right now.
I teach bilingual students who are mostly from Mexico. Unfortunately, they are terrified of his proposals and know very well at a young age what hatred there is for immigrant families in this country. They will say things like, "If trump becomes president I won't see you next year because he will make me move back to Mexico since I'm not American." It breaks my heart.
Obligatory not a teacher, but I was a teacher's aide.
One of my students asked, "Who is Bill Clinton?" and another student said, "Oh, I know who that is, that's Hillary's husband!" and a couple of kids nodded their head in agreement.
It's interesting how Hillary has become more influential than her husband, to the point where young children think of Bill as "Hillary's husband" rather than "a former president of the US".
I teach in the UK but I'm American, and some of my kids have asked if I'll vote for Trump. They were worried that the terrible things they hear about him on the news might also reflect my views, being that I'm from the US. I said i simply don't share his values, so I won't be voting for him.
A few of my students have expressed concern that they will be deported. My mother is a trump supporter but she doesn't realize that, given her Muslim last name, she will be one of those people forced to register should he win.
mtux96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:02:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother is a trump supporter but she doesn't realize that, given her Muslim last name, she will be one of those people forced to register should he win.
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I think people are overestimating what Trump can even do as President if he even is elected as heล done a good job at making enemies within the party that heล supposed to be representing. Gary Johnson or Jill Stein would be a more effective President than Trump would be as they would have to at least work with and can work with both sides of the aisle where Trump would most likely see a big wall blocking his way if he doesnt get impeached first.
I'm not reading your response beyond the first sentence.
I know it won't happen. The fact that a presidential nominee would make such a statement is what is appalling. Stop making excuses for his hate rhetoric.
Some of my 3rd graders have starting saying "you like Donald Trump," as a way to insult their classmates.
On a more serious note, after discussing the candidates during our social studies unit, one student who is super sweet and always happy confided in me (after everyone else had gone out for recess) that she was worried about Donald Trump getting elected because her family is from Ecuador and she didn't want her and her family to be forced to leave the county.
Whole lot of /r/thathappened in here. Can't wait for this stupid election to be over.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That seems really counter productive.
Vena883 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 9 year old informed me over the weekend that Trump wants to start the purge. I feel he may not be too far off from the truth.
Mabu7549 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fifth grade teacher here. I work with a very high performing group of students from low socioeconomic backgrounds. Most are first generation Mexican Americans. Very negative feedback regarding trump. One girl cried when Trump became the republican nominee. "Does this mean I'll be separated from my mom?" Another student, who identifies as white said, "Mexicans are amazing people. Why would anyone want to send them away?" I have one student, that I know of, whose family does support Trump. He is clearly afraid of sharing his views in class, considering most of my class is very anti-trump.
I saw a 4th grader sitting at the school lunch table with the most genuinely confused look on his face as he destroyed his PB&J. I approached him and asked if everything was ok and he replied by saying "Why did president Donald Duck grab a cat".
I work in a second grade classroom as an aide. At the end of the day on Fridays the kids get to play games if their work is finished. This is a conversation I overheard one day.
"Don't vote for Trump because he's gonna make school on Saturday!"
"Yeah! And he's gonna kill all the jews."
Needless to say, the teacher and I were a little bit more than stunned.
I teach 6th grade in a predominantly Latino and black community. It's really heartbreaking to hear them talk about how their families will be kicked out of the country if trump is elected
bbrosen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would parents put their kids in a position where they might be deported for being here illegally
conuly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A third grader told me that "Donald Trump is a dildo". I snorted as I stifled a laugh, swallowed hard, and said that is an inappropriate word to use. He knew I agreed with him.
Also, My 2.5 year old daughter says "yuck, Trump" every time she sees him on TV.
If you took some time to actually research her on ANY OTHER SITE than the mainstream media, you'd find 1000s of reasons.
The bitch is one of the biggest terrorists the world has seen, but because she's a Clinton she has immunity and the media doesn't report a god damn thing she does, it's beyond corrupt.
Please just google around and do some research, you'll find disturbing shit within 20minutes.
MrTLegal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:09:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I could google something for 20 minutes and find evidence that the Earth is hollow as well.
My 7th grade stepson came home and said that a boy in his class said Hillary shouldn't win because of benghazi. After the kid went on and on about it, my stepson finally asked him if he knew how many Americans died there (knowing the answer full well himself). The other kid said "Thousands!"
So he told him to look it up on google right there in front of him and that shut that up.
My 6-year-old said the other day, "Donald Trump is gonna lose because he keeps putting his messages before YouTube videos and it makes the kids mad and they tell their parents not to vote for him. And also parents sometimes like to watch YouTube videos too so they won't vote for him either."
Bagpype ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My six year old niece said "I don't like Hillary Clinton. She's a liar." Politics are not discussed in her house at all btw.
Ziquaxi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach at an after-school care place in a really liberal town and we have a yoga teacher come in and teach the kids yoga and her name is Ms. Hillary and whenever her name is brought up the kids all yell "WAIT ARE YOU HILLARY CLINTON?!" "ARE YOU GONNA BECOME THE PRESIDENT?!" this one kid said "no, it's SECRETARY Clinton" and then they went on to ask if she was gonna beat Trump and insulting Trump. The yoga teacher just responded "Maybe if you all behave in this class I'll be come president." All the kids were dumbfounded. It was such a bizarre experience because I know all of them got their beliefs from their parents and have zero knowledge of the candidates actual policies.
It's weird in the UK, everyone I've spoken to, and I'm sure most people in general are completely anti-Trump. I feel like America is generally more right than the U.K. anyway but even kids are saying how much they don't like Trump and are confused by him, and this is from a group of people who usually ignore even our own political system. Honestly, neither candidate is ideal, but it makes me grateful for the "bad" politicians we have here.
I am no longer a teacher, but was last year. We had a very high population of immigrants in my school. A lot of them a re very afraid that if Trump wins they will have to leave the country.
This is High School level: For a project last spring two students created a Presidential Primary themed mobile (balanced torque, etc.) with Hillary, Bernie, Trump, Cruz, and Kasich on it. I hung it from the ceiling in my room. When other students came in they commented on it, a few to say they liked Bernie, and several to say they hate Trump. They wanted his picture taken down. Not many comments on Clinton or the other Republicans one way or the other.
This is a school in suburban Atlanta with large populations of Black, Hispanic, and Asian students so for these demographics it is not unexpected. Some of the Hispanic kids used to joke about Trump this time a year ago, but over the course of the year it stopped being funny and turned into outright animosity.
Kidbeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it sad that some of these are things I have heard adults say?
I've had a few instances of kids saying and doing things. A few boys were building a Trump polling place in the sandbox (don't really know what their angle was but other kids tried to tear it down). I had one of my 2nd graders say, "It's as the saying goes, 'You're voting for either a crook or a kook'" which clearly came from her parents' mouths. Finally, I had another 2nd grader, when told Trump was a bad man by another kid, say, "He's not bad. He's just bossy and sometimes people need to be bossed around."
Mearii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 1st and 2nd grade ELs and they're all worried they're going to be sent back to Mexico if Trump is elected. When I taught in a high school last year, one of my students asked me if I worked for Donald Trump. He told me, "I don't want you trying to get me deported, Miss."
notdanb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's 8 year old nephew likes Trump "because he's got red hair and a cool last name." Said nephew also has red hair.
EmilyamI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in a demographic that is largely Hispanic and impoverished. My fifth graders are terrified that Trump is going to kick them and their families out of the country. They call him racist on a regular basis. We wrote realistic narratives lately where they could choose their own topic, and about a third of them wrote stories wherein Trump loses the election.
They know and say next to nothing about any other candidate, but Donald Trump is like the boogeyman to them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher, but a friend of mine told me that the kids in middle school are very bent on making as many Trump and Hillary jokes as possible.
A lot of kids like to ask me how I'm voting. Of course you never tell them, but it's hilarious how into it they are. To them it's like a game, and their family has picked a team. They just want to see if you're on the same team, and get equally excited no matter how you answer.
A few of them are able to parrot off a few of their parents' talking points, but overall it's in good fun to them.
I remember in elementary school that the 4th and 5th graders were allowed to vote in a mock election of the 2004 presidential race. I distinctly remember almost everyone voted for Bush, which makes me cringe looking back on it.
We did the same at my school in kindergarten for the 2001 election. I didnt know anything about anything. But I voted al gore because my parents liked bush and I just wanted to be a brat
Small rural school in upstate NY. A couple of my 7th graders asked who I supported and I said I wasn't enthusiastic about either. One of them then said he wished President Obama would just continue.
Later in the conversation I suggested voting for "Giant Meteor 2016". The kids thought the bumper sticker was pretty funny.
SaxMaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach music in an elementary school with a 95% Hispanic population. 5th graders are singing a song for our concert about Mexican pride and, during a break in the action, one of the boys says "Mr. SaxMaan, we talked about it and we want to dedicate this song to Donald Trump."
I had to break it to them that we can't make that announcement at the concert.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not Elementary teacher, or I guess teacher of any kind I guess but so saying I teach sunday school and children's worship might not be the right word BUT ANYWAY, the kids range from 4-10 years old, and to my surprise I haven't heard a word about the candidates from them. I've actually heard more about why U.K./UofL sucks than anything political. But I guess you can see where our priorities are here _^
1st grade teacher in Georgia. Most of my kids have told me their parents are voting for the woman and that Trump is a crazy man. A lot of their political knowledge comes from their parents, but I'm interested to see what they say when we do our mock election in a few weeks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking at the reasons for why children support their candidate and minus parroting their parents their reasons aren't much different from most adults or teenagers.
My class is pretty divided, which surprises me. Last year almost all of my class was pro-Hillary. For the most part, the kids just go "Boo" and do a thumbs down for whoever their parents dont support. Normally Id use the election as a lesson on how we can have civil discussions and listen to other peoples ideas, but this election cycle has gotten so vitriolic that Ive just put a moratorium on both Clinton and Trump. Time in my classroom is already at a premium and I dont want to have to corral hissing cats.
My kids like to play MASH (kid game to tell how your life will end up) for a bad husband they always choose Trump. Whoever ends up being "married" to Trump always makes quite the scene!
also in canada, my grade 8's are constantly trumpeting trump. they'll do a presentation and at the end "vote for trump". they love him, a little ironically. they are not invested in the results of his election, so it's funny, it's shocking, it's rebellious. the smarter someone is, the less likely they are to say this.
No a teacher, but asked my young son 'how his day was' like usual. He said, fine, but were not allowed to talk about Hillary or trump at school anymore. I asked the expected 'ok, why, that seems a little odd' and he said too many kids were bullying and justifying it if the next president can be saying mean things, we can too that's fair and funny right?. They had a school assembly about limiting watching the attack adds, and how it's not right and a free for all Q&A with the students, teachers, and school councillor.
99% Hispanic - in my classes, I get everything from "every body will vote for Trump" to "I can't like Trump- 'm Mexican and he's gonna build a wall, and it's gonna be hard for us to go back and forth" a friend advised him to build a tunnel.
jetigig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a very red state. I remember when I was in school during the Obama-McCain election, all the kids that I talked to wanted McCain to win the election. Most of their reasoning was racist junk, and I'm sure they were simply repeating what they had heard at home or on TV.
When I was teaching over the summer this year, the positions seemed split pretty evenly between Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump. I never once heard a mention of Hillary. All the kids either hated Trump or loved him.
I teach in an area that has a high population of Hispanic students, and they are all freaking out at the idea of a Trump presidency. I taught 3rd grade last spring and a student told me she's concerned that her parents will be deported because they aren't authorized to be here, but she is (she was born here). She didn't know what would happen to her if her parents got deported, since they don't have any family here.
I teach fifth grade this year and my students have been grilling me on the exact process for how their families would be deported. They have asked about everything, from how people would find out that their families are unauthorized, to how long they would wait in detention centers (some of them have family members who have had to wait in detention centers before, so they are already familiar with the extensive waiting periods), to what would happen to them if they had to go back to Mexico or Honduras or El Salvador or Guatemala. It's really sad to hear about.
That Hillary Clinton wants to kill all babies. I live in the south, teach 3rd grade. I've also been told Trump will send people to Mexico, both Mexicans and non Mexicans.
catpflug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids repeat words they hear from the news and their parents. I usually shut it down because it doesn't fit but I did have them calculate the cost of living and minimum wage net pay after looking up income tax to get an idea of how much money they need for the life that they want after some decided to continue being vocal about minimum wage.
Third grade, Title I school in California. 60% Latino.
"Ms. _______, I'm worried that Trump will get elected because then my family will have to go back to Mexico."
When we did a mock primary, the poor girl who was severely misinformed: "I voted for Trump because I heard that he wanted to build a wall between the US and Mexico, and I know that the two countries have a lot of problems with each other, so I thought the wall would solve their problems." She changed her mind after we watched clips of both Hillary and Bernie's post-primary speeches and understood the purpose of the wall.
But my favorite was that, for several months, they thought his name was "Trumpet," and would allude to him sounding like a trumpet.
Sagemoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach an afterschool program in seattle. Mainly kids will repeat what their parents say, which is a heavy anti-trump message. In my class, I will try to promote a positive and respectful learning environment, so I tend to change the subject off of politics whenever it comes up. The kids only say negative statements about this election, never positive.
My mother is a first grade teacher at a Catholic school. She showed me a recent assignment where they had to use certain words correctly in a sentence, one being the word "not". A girl in her class wrote, "I am NOT a Hilary fan!"
hell_kat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was carpooling with four 6th grade Canadian kids this morning. They love to talk about Trump. They talk about how he used the "P word" and he "kisses lots of women". They are also unamimous in their decision that Hillary should be president but would have preferred Bernie. I heard from the teacher they talk about Trump a lot. Only one kid in class likes Trump. He also says his parents/grandparents hate Trudeau so I'm not shocked. The teacher lets them talk until they get overly argumentative. Then she tells them they sound too much like CNN pundits and makes them change the subject.
I constantly hear students asking if Trump is going to send their families back to their country if he becomes president. I couldn't be being more serious about this answer. It's an almost daily topic at my elementary school.
I teach art at a pre-k through 6 elementary school, so I see all of the kids of different grades. Its interesting to hear their interactions about the election.
They pick up a lot of stuff from their parents and the internet. My kids come from low income neighborhood with a high Hispanic population of first generation Americans, so you would think that they would hate Trump based on his views on immigration and the "wall," but honestly they think he's funny, like a hilarious cartoon character they can't wait to see on TV next.
I am more amused by the fact that they talk about who they are going to vote for, then I promptly let them know that they are 8 years old and aren't allowed to vote yet haha.
But I do think it's great they discuss politics, I just wish this election was a more "serious" model for them and they didn't just see it as a funny national joke.
Calarco3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have ninth graders mostly but I heard a kid say to a friend 'if she gets elected we're all going to die'
I'm student teaching in middle school and have a kid who does a pretty damn good Trump impression. That's why we chose him to be him for our election project
I had a student tell me that he was scared that Trump was going to kick out his family (since his mother is an immigrant) but Clinton wanted to ban video games and that would be worse!
Efflux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is an elementary school teacher and she texted me this note she found. What an oddly specific coincidence...
http://imgur.com/a/qjEnJ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bufftart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:09:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i like this kid
Jepep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but in my class in us history we recently talked about everything recently going on in politics, out of 20 I would say 5-10 openly said they like Trump 2-5 were hillary supporters and the rest either were undecided or didn't talk.
bufftart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this might be the closest truth post on this whole thread
Tangently related. When I was young, my mom tried to explain a gay marriage proposal that was on ballot to me. I distinctly remember replying "I have no problem if two men want to get married...as long as they like, don't live next door to me."
Kids don't understand a lot haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So one of the 5th grade students I worked with commented on our president poster. Asking "why isn't Donald Trump up there?"
zuqui23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work as a teacher in a history class for an elementary school in Ohio, and one kid once said. " im voting crooked hillary for president of america"
trabca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in Virginia and am surrounded by Democrats (not one myself, though, so that's fun...). Anywho, all I ever hear is what they hear from their parents. Usually it's pretty basic with comments of: "I want Hillary to win."
A couple weeks ago, however, we learned about the different types of conflict in literature, and the kids had to illustrate and give an example of each of the 4 types. One of my kids drew this for Person vs Society
Made me laugh.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This kid was running for school captain (honorary position), and he said: "If Trump has the chance to become president of the US, then I can become the captain."
Lad was fucking mad. And this wasn't even in America.
I teach 6th grade. A few of my students echo their parents extreme views, but there is a good mix of support for both (Michigan, BTW) and it has been completely civil. We don't talk about ti in class, but I eat lunch with them once a week.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CTR goin hard in the paint in this thread. Hats off, you virgins.
Worked at a summer camp. I had forth graders arguing about trump and drawing pictures of the wall. It's actually kind of hilarious that they parrot their parents.
darfini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My turn to test
egnards ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work in 1st grade no specifics but if you ask any little girl they're in love with Hillary Clinton for no other reason than she's a girl - I wouldn't say it's concerning or anything or surprising as all of our minds at that age would have that type of simplicity - I envy the naivety.
Disclaimer: Clinton and Trump are both twats
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a district with a decent sized Hispanic population. One day a bunch of white students were crying because they were afraid that Trump might make all their Hispanic friends go back to their countries. It was kind of sad, but also nice to see that ten year olds care more about people than 60 year olds.
I had a group of thirteen year old girls say that Bernie Sanders is old and has bad hair, and Trump is old, gross, and has worse hair, and Hillary has a weird voice.
diberlee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not a teacher, or even American but I thought I'd share my 3 year old's words of wisdom.
"Trump is another word for fart so he's a fart man"
"He lives in Trump Tower. I bet it's really stinky in there"
Diknak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where is Trump another word for fart?
diberlee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a student wearing Trump socks with realistic 3D hair
leyebrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but was an au pair and had some Irish children under the age of 12 tell me how bad Trump was. Kids basically just repeat whatever they hear around the dinner table.
I live in rural NC, and as you can imagine it's largely Trump supporters here (with the exception of the younger crowd). Anyways, I was working with my students when I overheard an interesting conversation between two girls that goes something like this.
"I hope Hillary wins."
"Why, Trump is gonna win"
"Because Hillary's a girl, and we can have a girl president!"
Idk why but hearing this small conversation made me really happy when heard it.
mattemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not teacher (hate when people do what I'm doing ugh sorry) but a lot of my friends who have kids in elementary school "hate" Trump solely based on his commercials. None of my friends are particularly political or care to discuss politics normally (I'm the most vocal of all, I'm not even sure how some of my better friends feel about the election). This seems to be where a lot of kids are getting their thoughts from, just what they see on TV. As a parent of younger children, as vocal as I am, I don't want my kids being told anything about either, and let them get older and come to their own opinions.
A couple best friends of mine are elementary school teachers and they seem to think the same thing ("so and so said he hates Trump today, said he always sees him yelling on TV") so fortunately around me at least, a lot of parents aren't involving their children.
I have heard kids in 6th grade joking about building a wall, like Trump.
DMala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On July 4th, on the way to fireworks, we walked past a house with 4 foot high, lit up letters spelling TRUMP. On the way back, my 4-year-olds, up 3 hours past their bedtime and out of their skulls on cotton candy and Sno-cones, started saying "Donald Trump!" to each other and laughing like loons. Eventually, "Donald Trump" mutated to "Donald Trumpy" and then to "Donald Dumpy". They had everyone around us cracking up all the way back to the car. To this day, we still refer to him as Donald Dumpy.
The other day I was driving through my neighborhood and on one side of the street were kids holding Hillary signs shouting "Go Hillary!" And on the other side of the street were kids holding Trump signs shouting "Honk for Trump! Trump that bitch!" These kids were maybe 9 or 10.
In case it's not apparent, I live in a somewhat white-trashy neighborhood.
LeahBia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lead a summer youth group for special needs children and one of the children told me he hopes Trump doesn't win because if he does then his daddy has to go away and he was in tears. They are a Hispanic family
I regularly update a bulletin board with news from the community and elsewhere. I was stapling up a photo of the two candidates after the first debate with the headline, "Who won?"
Kid comes up to me and asks, "So who won?"
Knowing the area of the country I live in I decided to play it safe. I responded with, "...well, both had pros and cons so I'll call it a tie."
Kid quips back, "I heard Trump won. He was a lot louder."
A level 10 educational moment appeared so I questioned back, "When you're loud in class does that mean you're always getting the question right?"
Kid takes a few moments, "...well, no. I guess not."
My final response, "Then the same applies to the debate."
Late, but oh well. I work as an after school tutor for immigrant and refugee children, currently we have a substantial Muslim population.
Early on they liked Clinton because a lot of them go to a school named Clinton. The kids are genuinely scared that if Trump wins they'll be in danger. They're afraid he'll come for their families and throw them out of the country, or put them in jail. They also think his name is stupid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in 3rd grade my elementary school did a presidential vote between Bill Clinton and Bob Dole. 80% of the school voted for Dole. Clinton won the election. I for the life of me couldn't figure out how Clinton won if more than 80% of my own school voted for Dole.
Not a teacher, but I'm in 11th grade living in a swing state. However, I live in the blue-er part of the state, so we have much more democratic teens then republican.
We still have some Republicans because this is Appalachia, but it's surprising me because one of the Trump supporter kids actually is questioning his own vote now. Our teachers crack jokes a lot, but you can tell the tensions are high and that people are scared. No one knows what's going to happen.
The teachers have a lot to be afraid of.
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kids on general. As the election date gets closer, you hear more and more from us teens and especially the elementary kids. As I've seen, a lot of the kids just copy off their parent beliefs, which has some bad influence towards what they say at school.
I think the worst I've heard was a 12 year old who started talking about how Hillary was a rapist. I don't know how that got into their minds, but I could only assume it's from their parents.
Or the internet. It's pretty awful on here, especially because of the upcoming election.
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad! This election has really brought the level of discourse in this country down. In my lifetime the only election year worse than this was 1968, when both Martin Luther King Jr. and Bobby Kennedy were murdered, and there were riots at the Democratic Convention in Chicago. But we didn't have the internet back then, so us kids were more insulated from it all, at least I was. And then we landed on the Moon the next year. Crazy times!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I don't trust psychologists
gh0sti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife's student said that he would never vote Hillary because she's a woman and woman make bad mistakes.
Fifth grader: "If Trump becomes president he's going to kill all the Muslims but I don't think that's going to solve the issues he thinks it's going to solve".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He sounds like my crazy grandpa
EliteNub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Mother teaches Elementary Schoolers. She's said that they basically just regurgitate whatever their parents views are. One specific qoute I remember is "If Trump's elected we'll have more money!"
I teach first grade at an inner city, low income school. The majority of my kids are in favor of Trump because "he has lots of money." They are under the impression that a rich president will make them rich.
_heidin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so sad
seymour2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a lot of the adults who are voting for him.
As a daycare teacher I had a seven year old Mexican girl tell me she wouldn't vote for Trump if she could vote because he doesn't like her and would make her leave her home.
I have a little girl who is about 7-8 in my class and her mother is younger than me(27) has 4 kids, pregnant at 15,( we actually went to the same school) with all different baby dads and she is for trump. The little girl says trump is an amazing man and Hillary is a liar. More random things like that were said. And i consider my self educated and not a complete moron but I was dumbfounded when she started saying these things to me. She also told me the cops are bad and she isn't to be nice to them. They are white. And we live in nj but not in a red neck town....actually our water tower says it's a premier community. They aren't rich either but how can a women actually believe that trump is a good person and feed her children lies, well guess in her eyes they aren't lies but wtf! It's infuriating.
NGuns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had 6th grader get up in the middle of class on Friday and yell "I fucking hate Donald Trump". So that kind of stuff.
My third grader asked me:"Who would you vote for, If your only choices are Donald Trump and Ted Cruz?" And then I had the chance to explain to him what a catch 22 is.
Not a teacher but work with kids. I overheard three kids playing a computer game, a brother / sister of chinese decent (maybe 7 and 9 yo) and a 9 yo boy. The boy asked if they were voting for Trump, all parties said, "No!" immediately because he was "bad" and identified themselves as Clinton supporters (not surprising, I live in a blue state). The 9yo then told the chinese brother and sister if he won he would make them go back to their country.
The details are a bit off, but boy do they seem to pick up his xenophobia. Pretty sad.
Our 5th graders are currently researching the presidential candidates for an upcoming class election that we will have in November. A lot of the kids only exposure to Trump is via memes they've seen and they really only know that he wants to "build a wall" and "kick Mexicans out".
"If you vote for Trump, he's going to make us leave."
I teach in a town with a high Hispanic population. They are frightened by the idea of Trump as President.
Fun story: We use the Box Tops to vote for Clinton or Trump and all the votes are for Hillary. Trump did get one vote though - it was a warm cheese stick.
And we will build that physical wall. It is the first step towards reversing diversity. But inevitably it will come to violence, whether the wall is actually built is really of no concern.
I teach in a diverse area of California. One of my students said "I don't want anyone to vote for Trump. He's going to send her family (points at Mexican kids) and his, hers, and his families away if he wins!" They all gave me very confused and concerned looks.
One of my students told us Trump is really two parakeets in a trench coat.
rminsk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife, Nicole, came home from volunteering at our daughter's school. (She teaches a "centers" reading group for a small number of students in our daughter's third grade class.) Do you remember that moment in the debate when Hilary mentioned the boy who had come to her with his fear that Donald Trump would, if elected, deport him?
Well, Nicole had two kids in her five-child reading group who were also frightened that they would be deported because they were not born in the U.S. Apparently, she used the moment to pivot to a lesson on Social Studies and told the kids that since there are three branches of government, even the President of the U.S. doesn't have unlimited power and the Legislative and Judicial branches would not cooperate with a president who tried to deport children like that. Happily, that calmed the kids down a great deal, but wow.
BTW, one of the two frightened kids was the former ardent Trump supporter who kept yelling "Hillary is a liar" back in mid-September at Nicole's 1st reading group visit.
Not a teacher but I'm an 1:1 aide in a school for children with disabilities. Surprisingly, a lot of the African-American children are seemingly Pro-Trump, parroting opinions from their parents. It's very uplifting to see a paradigm shift from a predominantly liberal group of people.
My mom teaches first grade. She says her students argue back and forth and have started saying they'll punch those who disagree and throw them in jail.
My little sister (I'm not a teacher, sorry), when I asked about the Trump wall, said, "Is he going to put the wall around all the islands?" I had no idea what she meant until I realized that she somehow thought that Hawaii and Mexico were the same place.
(Not exactly a teacher, but I'm a "teacher" at a before school/after school program) One of my fifth graders loves to sing songs about Trump that I assume he learned from YouTube I'm guessing. Such hits include: "Do You Want to Build a Wall?" and "You're a Racist, Mr. Trump". It's weird to have to tell children to not discuss politics at school. Haha.
3/4th grade teacher in an inner city school, Trump is NOT popular with my class lol
taminahz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher. I work at a drivers ed company in Texas where we offer online chat support. I had a teen girl tell me she was worried about not getting her license before Trump was elected because she might be deported if she didn't have one.
Ah thanks for the amplification. I'm hungover and couldn't be buggered to google anything.
harbours ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I work with kids in Canada. The kids I work with just like to make fun of him because the rest of the world is. They've also said, "If Trump wins he will start World War Three."
This past spring a bilingual kindergarten started a conversation with me, "are you Latina?"
Why?
" Don't vote for Trump, because he doesn't like Latinas." She went on with her speech switching between two languages explaining that if Trump gets elected she'll have to go live with her grandma and not her mom and dad because Trump will make them go back to Mexico.
Her soap box speech was cute and sad at the same time. She is a gifted child. I wish I knew what she had to say now that she's in 1st grade and wiser.
I'm pretty sure that is why this thread exists. People want to know what the parents are saying because the kids repeat everything; especially when they are away from said parents.
I work at an inner-city pre-K through 6th grade elementary school and honestly the students don't say very much about the election which I find kind of refreshing. Most of these kids are worried about clowns coming out of the woods as their biggest fear which I think is hilarious because most days they'll designate someone on clown watch even though a teacher is out there.
Bullying does happen though but since we're about 80% African-American it has very little to do with race and more to do with kids being around each other all day everyday and coming up with petty issues to argue about as they become more independent people and hit those weird teenage years.
But bullying happens everywhere and i'm sure in some places it is politically motivated because that is what students discuss and use to build an identity.
My parents were planning on voting for Gore in 2000, and I ran home from elementary school crying one day because my friends told me Gore wanted to kill all the babies.
lshayr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my coworker has a son in Kindergarten. His teacher called to let her know that everyday at lunch he and his friends sit around the table and he asks "Who are you voting for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?" After he asks each kid he then chants "DONALD TRUMP DONALD TRUMP" and fist pumps.
Also not a teacher but my 6year old daughter overheard a conversation I had about Trump not being able to find a running mate (this was earlier this year) so she declares to all of us that she's going to be his VP. I laughed and said ok sweetheart you can be his VP. Joke's on me though because everywhere we went she started screaming VOTE FOR TRUMP EVERYONE!
Not an elementary school teacher, but a camp counselor. I was teaching my special needs campers about the basics of American history. Usually when I teach them about anything, I ask questions and let them answer rather than just telling them the facts. I was trying to lead them towards talking about the Civil War, so I asked them if they knew what had happened in the 1800s that divided the country and started a war--one of my campers said Donald Trump. I was laughing so hard I had to take a moment to myself.
Lahogoni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school student, I have a word power teacher who uses trump as an example for all the words like misogynist and how he's not an altruist, ect. Pretty interesting
Not a teacher but one of my classmates made three Mexican kids cry after a class discussion.
Wally13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One kid in my preschool was talking about how trump is a bad guy. He was able to get the whole class onboard so we had 15 preschoolers talking about trump being a bad guy. We had to shut that down pretty quick.
Not a teacher, but a camp counselor, over the summer I had a 6 year old girl express concern to me that Trump's wall will prevent her from going on vacation to Mexico because the plane wouldn't be able to fly over it.
I'm doing my student teaching at a high school that's 60% Hispanic. Use your imagination. But I do think November's going to be interesting to say the least.
Rickmull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
justtestingsomething
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of these comments sound depressingly like how many adults I've met make voting decisions.
Obligatory not a teacher but...my fiancรฉe loves telling the story of her loud-mouthed student who proudly told her, "I'm going to vote for Trimp." Yes, Donald Trimp.
oldusty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talking about peacemakers and peace breakers and a little dude raises his hand to say, "Donald Trump is a peace breaker because he said your schools are bad and your teachers are bad"
estrogyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I heard a 2nd grader say "Hey guys! Did you hear what Trump said?" I realized that almost any truthful answer would have me sending the kid to the principal's office for inappropriate language.
Nephew (7th grade) told me he wants Hillary to win "so her dad can make all the decisions." Had to remind him that Bill is merely her husband. But I appreciated that Hillary still held the greater appeal even for a sexist.
MattAU05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 10 year old said in his classes mock election almost everyone voted for Trump (we live in Alabama), a few for Hillary, but only he selected Gary Johnson. My heart swelled with pride and love.
mrvudu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, not very many replies that fit the question. 3rd grade teacher here. I actually got a substitute teacher fired over this. We get this little newspaper called 'Scholastic News' and I left it for my sub to give to the kids to quietly read and summarize. Anyhow on the cover was the candidates, and the title, 'Who's Going to Win?'. The article doesn't mention policy, but does talk about the Democratic process involved in an election.
I guess the Latino students of which my room is about 70 percent started to scratch out Trumps face and loudly declare their dislike of the Donald saying, "He wants to send us all back to Mexico." Well the sub gets the great idea to ask the class to raise their hands to poll who they would got for. A couple of girls admitted to supporting (of course they are just reflecting their families views) D. Drumph. Well wouldn't you know, the Latino students asked the girls why they want to send the Mexicans back to Mexico. It got a little ugly i guess.
Well long story short, the girls went home in tears and asked their parents if it was true. The parents wasted no time calling and complaining. The sub will never work in our building again, and I had to smooth things over for everyone when I got back.
I told them it was unlikely that somebody could send all Mexicans back to Mexico. It would be as if our principal decided to remove all third grade from the school, administration wouldn't let him. That said I also told them that I would never tell them who to vote for but that their parents would here and say all sorts of crazy things we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I tutor elementary aged kids. A seven year old Muslim girl asked me who I'm voting for. I said Hillary. She said that's good and that Trump hates her for being Muslim, that he wants to kill her and her family. She's fearful of him winning. I assured her he won't win but fuck. Poor kid.
Work in a before and afterschool program for elementary aged children. They usually just talk about how Trump is going to build a wall, and that the "Mexicans are going to pay for it." We usually have to shut that shit down immediately. Also say that Clinton deletes her emails.
So, honestly they talk with about the same knowledge as 90% of the population.
I was explaining to my 5yo how Hillary might be our First Lady president, and that Obama was our first president with brown skin. She responded, "Oh yeah? Well George Washington was our first president with white hair."
I'm no teacher but I'm Hispanic and my family comes in different shades. My nephew is 100% Hispanic but looks 100% white. He happens to have strawberry blonde hair and one of his classmates called him "Donald trump" and the other student followed along and started teasing. He came home from school angry and crying because he doesn't want to be called Donald trump because trump is bad and mean.
My 16 y.o autistic cousin was having an existential crisis a few months ago because he took a test online and it identified him as a republican when his entire life he had thought he was a Democrat.
He often just repeats his mother's viewpoints on everything including politics. His condition causes him to struggle to form his own opinions, brilliant kid however
kovr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher, but I was helping with a "kids day out" function when one of the kids said "Donald Trump is so bad. He hates babies and everything."
A buddy of mine teaches Science, and she said that one of her kids is refusing to learn about Climate because Trump said that Climates don't exist.
dan200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Lots of kids parroting their parents positions because they don't know any better.
TasxMia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school science teacher in South LA here. My students hate Trump but they also don't really like Hillary either. They were initially rooting for Bernie but they are considering Hillary just so Trump doesn't win.
Not about this election, but when I was in elementary school and Gore was running, I had a classmate tell me that "Al Gore cuts babies' heads off." Years later, I would realize this was likely his understanding of what "pro-choice" meant.
Last year, one of my student was convinced that Trump was going to attack and kill Canadians. A few of my students were researching Trump to write speeches for our speech unit. They all came across awful thing he had said. They began saying Trump hated Canadians and a few of my grade four students cried. It was decided by the teachers that maybe Donald Trump might not be the best speech topic for the younger grades.
I recently had to comfort a group of crying second graders because some ass hat told them that if Trump was elected he was going to send them back to Mexico. They were terrified as their only memories of Mexico consist of being desperately poor. I had never been so disgusted with other children or with the state of our country
Kids at that age polarize everything, and this is already such a polarized election. Whatever they hear from their parents, they spout, but in the most simplistic and black and white terms.
It only took one student to make an off-hand whispered comment in class, and in seconds, I had a whole class in a screaming match:
"Trump is a terrible man!"
"NO! Hillary is the bad guy!"
"NO YOU'RE WRONG! THAT'S TRUMP!!!!"
"Hillary Clinton is against America!"
"Trump wants to build a wall and KILL EVERYBODY!!!"
And on and on.
There is now a strict "No one is allowed to share their opinion on the candidates during class time or else" Rule in my class. For my own sanity.
in my school (canada) many of the kids hate donald trump. Irrationally like they dont even watch debates all they do is say that trump would build a wall from canada and blindly support hillary. there are a good chunk though that think hillary and trump are stupid and were 100% bernie bros (like me) bye
pickle56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First grader: "I'm feeling mad today! If Donald Trump is president, he's going to kick all the Indian people off of earth!"
Fourth grader: "Donald Trump is racist."
Another fourth grader: "So? Hillary Clinton is a liar!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students (mostly Latino and from immigrant families)
A common refrain in this thread?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprisingly, not a word. Hoping this changes as the election draws nearer, I'm intrigued by what I may hear.
On a somewhat related note, a third grader recently asked me if I celebrate Halloween, and then acted appalled when I said yes, because apparently it is the devil's birthday. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I had a fifth-grader say, apropos of nothing, "I'm scared Trump will win". If I had video it'd make the best Clinton attack ad ever, she's super adorable and mixed-race.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My fiancรฉ is a third grade teacher. One of her students wrote on his assignment that "Trump is a dump". They also apparently love to talk politics all day.
I'm not the teacher, my mom is, but she told me that the students are getting really hyped up about the whole thing and get into yelling matches. We live in Southern California so there's a lot of illegal immigrants here and there's quite a few kids of illegals going to the school she works at. They've cried about Trump becoming president because "they'll send our families back to Mexico" and when my mom asks aren't they legal the kids say no and she ends it at that. Then there's these two brothers (white) who love trump and will imitate him and bully the other children around. It's pretty crazy stuff hearing kids so young getting into the election
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 4th grader's friend asked me if Trump would deport his Canadian mother. It made me sad he was worried about that. His parents support Trump.
I had a student say that because he was Chinese (born in America) that Trump was going to deport him. He also said he watched Republican debates and the guy with the squeeky voice. i said "who, cruz?" He said yes. Lol
My wife teaches middle school, her students are saying he is the next Hitler, and we are all going to end up dead.
geeko101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In IT at elementary school. We hold a mock election that all students get to vote in. Heard some 5th graders having a discussion. Things like "Trump is a racist" and 'Hillary is a liar" but they seemed to be in agreement after one girl exclaimed "They both are terrible! Vote third party!"
I work at a daycare and at least once a week I get asked, "Who are YOU voting for?" I always tell them, "you know who" and they always tell me they're voting for Trump and laugh
When I was a kid I saw a movie on TV where a guy had a monkey and my dad happen to come in the room and tell me that was Ronald Regan.
Later at school our kindergarten teacher held a mock vote where I then voted for Reagan, not because my African-American, Living in Alabama, and Union member his entire adult life father had anything good to say about Reagan, but because I had seen a movie with the guy and remembered his name.
In retrospect, I truly hope this is not how polling secretly works.
LOL. Yep I remember voting in the Weekly Reader poll :) I too voted for Reagan, not because I knew who he was (He did speak at a big rally here) but because I said to myself, Well Mr Carter has had his turn. Because that's what we did in Kindergarten, we took turns.
As a side note, my dad would tell my sister and I to turn in for the night by saying, "Come on, bed time for Bonzo." As an adult visiting the Reagan Library I saw the movie poster with Reagan and a monkey titled "Bedtime for Bonzo."
Not a teacher, but my younger brother (7) asked me if all of his friends on the back of the bus would have to go back to Mexico if trump became president because of the wall
Why are all his Hispanic friends in the back of the bus????
shellwe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much repeating whatever their parents said.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well scamming people out of "everything they've got" and not paying small contractors and employees even though he had stated that he was satisfied with their work (kind of irrelevant though) is pretty douchy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but a Nana. Grandson loves Sanders as did most in his class. He has switched his allegiance to "Mrs. Clinton" though (as did the other kids in his class).
He's in 4th grade.
Engardia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had one can of playdough for two children, each six years old. I told them I would give it to whoever could answer this question: "who is president of the United States right now?" One girl shouts instantly "DONALD TRUMP!" I corrected her, "no, he's running for President, who is president right now?" She replied "yes, he is, I just saw the video last night!" I asked her what video she was referring to and she said "So You Want to Build A Wall?" I think of it as some alternate dimension version of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not one of any importance in school, except I could wreck some things electronically if they let me (not a psycho, just a really bored geek), I'm just a student. In North Carolina, the most I've heard from my fellow students are "Fuck, man. The next 4-8 years are gonna be shit."
I remember during 4th grade during the GW bush and Al Gore election a girl told me that Al Gore was going to make a law where he was going to kill new born babies with a pair of scissors. She seriously believed it.
I'm in a community that is primarily Hispanic. Kids will constantly tell me that they hate Trump and ask if I've played the 'Punch Trump App' or something like that. It's crazy how much these kids will militate their parents.
ManQnian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We were discussing a possible trip to France as a family when my 5-year-old piped up, "Donald Trump won't be coming with us, he HATES France!". I asked him where he heard that and he said "on the news." Didn't think he even knew who he was.
(We're British).
westbc59 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 4th graders were writing about important people in their lives. I asked a few to share who they had chosen to write about. One of my students raises his hand and says Hillary. Another goes: "Isn't she a liar?"
Balzar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's one from a few years ago, GWB vs. BHO. This happened in my very liberal Church. The pastor started a sentence like "GWB,..." and a six or eight year old kid in the front row finished it "that dirty c*cksucker." There was about 30 seconds of painful silence before everyone fell on the floor laughing.
I'm not a teacher, but I'm tutoring 2 kids who are not very good at English despite being born and raised in the States. Their parents can speak little to no English and even the programs the kids watch are mostly in another language which I don't want to specify. Anyway, the older kid is in 3rd grade and a few weeks ago he asked me if Trump was evil. I had to be careful there, I wasn't aware of their political stance so I asked him why he thought that and he said his dad did not like Trump. The other kid who is in first grade couldn't care less.
Agrona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton is going to make school last all summer.
I was sitting on my front stairs waiting for my ride to work the other day and two boys around 8 or so walked by and I heard one say that he hopes trump invades Canada. ....
Who wouldn't back an invasion of Canada to get some of that maple syrup.l? You seen the price of that stuff? That's boy behavior for, I need attention so I'm going to say something insanely weird that I don't understand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but I remember way back when I was in elementary school, the teachers always had us "vote" by closing our eyes and raising hand up, obviously it was so she'd know who our parents were voting for! Hah
I crack up listening to my 2nd grader discuss the election. They talk about it with other kids and they interpret things so the extreme. Like she says that Trump will take us into WWIII and the world will end.
My kindergartener loves trump for some reason and is always saying "hillary lies." I have no idea where she got that from her dad and I don't support either but never said anything like that to her. Maybe she got it from the news? She loves watching the news.
I work in an urban area. My 2nd graders are convinced if Donald Trump is president that they will have to be slaves again. They also constantly remind me not to vote for him because bad things will happen.
Ubyte64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Over the summer, my fifth grade class asked who I'd be voting for. I evaded the question, telling them not to worry about it. The class, being unanimously anti-Trump, took this evasiveness as a vote for Trump and grilled me over it. It really never gets better with age.
I'm 17 and work at a math tutoring center for children (usually kindergarten - 8th) and typically kids will ask questions about anything, including the election. I usually try not to express my opinion, especially to Impressionable children, but my trump supporting boss sees nothing wrong about preaching trumps greatness to kids.
andjuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody commented on a mutual friend's Facebook post that their toddler refers to Clinton as Killary now and that they were super proud...
ghdana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid at school during Gore vs Bush I remember the class having a vote where I was the only guy that didn't vote for Bush and all the girls voted for Gore so I was embarrassed. My parents still bring up how I said "All the dumb kids in the class voted for Bush!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a costume designer, but I taught sewing summer camps this year. I had a Ludo mask out that I was working on and one little girl put an orange wig on him. She then acted out an entire Ludo Trump campaign. "We don't need a wall! I'm not going to build a wall around our borders! I'm going to build a Labyrinth!"
That was a good day. Cemented my idea to keep teaching kids to sew.
jrl999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is a middle school guidance counselor. She told me last week that one girl has been constantly harassing Latino students and telling them to go back to their own country. They brought in the parents who are avid Trump supporters and were upset at the teachers for telling her that she couldn't say these things.
mrsuns10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a student say he is going to make America Great again
Used to teach at a school where 100% of the student population was black. One of the kids asked if Trump was gonna bring back slavery
ssotial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 5th grader I'm tutoring came in and seemed frustrated - after I asked what happened she said: "I'm so upset that evil hillary Clinton is going to win!" She proceeded to base all of her writing exercises on her prediction that Clinton was going to win.. so scary.
Last year my American History teacher had the whole class participate in a presidential election, assuming all the current nominees ran. It was interesting to see, and she would update the results after each poll.
Trump was much more popular with the other class, but they were likely taking it much less seriously than us.
In our class the Democratic nominees were more popular, with Bernie usually winning.
In one "election," we were doing a completely unrelated project that took up most of classtime. Our teacher showed us the results at the beginning of class and Trump was winning! Most people didn't remember to vote, but she allowed people to submit for the next minute, and we saw the results change dramatically.
Suddenly Sanders was in the lead again, and Trump was in 3rd. She told us this was a reminder that your vote is much more powerful than you realize, but you have to vote to have your voice heard.
TL;DR: Please vote, otherwise the candidates have no reason to listen to you.
My 6 year son randomly yelled out "DONALD TRUMP!" Walking home from the school bus stop. He said all the kids at school were saying it.
We live in northern Canada.
My nephew calls trump "the wotsits man" (basically wotsits are like cheetos in the UK) it's funny when he'll excitedly point out "the wotsits man!" on TV
One of our preschoolers drew a "Trump Wall" with chalk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because of the area I teach, most of my students are Pro-Trump but have no idea why. Most just ask me who I want to vote for. I tell them I haven't decided, whoever did band the longest in school will probably win.
Sometimes kids will just look up at me and say "Trump tells the truth"
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the parents. Kids at this age will copy their folks, or be more attracted to the bigger shinier louder things. Like their toys.
Not an elementary school teacher, but my little sister is of preschool age, she said "President Trump wants to build a wall, and the girl doesn't." As well as saying that broccoli tastes like the faces of both Trump and Clinton.
bluesam3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When asking for suggestions: "Are we allowed to suggest really stupid things, like electing Donald Trump?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 9 y/o says all the boys in her class are for Trump because "he's funny".
Stagione ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's unsettling...now imagine them being 19 and in college
goyafan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a 1st grade boy tell me he is voting for Donald Trump and that he wishes we could go back to the time where women couldnt vote... I am a female teacher.
Year 3 teacher here. All the boys seem to love Trump thinking of him more of a fictional character with crazy plans to take over the world. Anyways a lot of their Writing involves trump in somebody way
I'm a mite hockey coach and one of the seven year olds made a hilarious joke. We were doing off-ice training playing soccer and there was a free kick. I told all the kids to "build a wall" over and over again to get in front of the shot and one of them looked at me and said "you sound like Donald trump!".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GavinET ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 4th grade and the students were doing an art project. I told them to draw a border around their art, and one of the kids yelled out, "Like the border Trump wants to build to keep out the Mexicans?" ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I supplied in a grade 8 class and some of the kids joked about voting for him and another called him a rich, smart buffoon. However, there was a vocal group talking about how he should be president. I ran a poll and most thought Clinton would win.
So I stopped teaching after the last school year ended, but I taught 6th grade in an elementary school in a very conservative state. My Latino/a students all very much hated Trump and expressed some fear of deportation regardless of their status. My African American students also hated Trump and expressed fears of him sending them to Africa, which is actually something I heard teachers in other schools in the district said students talked about. It was harder to get a read on my white students. Like I said, I taught in a very conservative area, so there was no love for Hillary. Since this was mostly during the primaries, and many students really liked Bernie Sanders. One student said she liked Bernie Sanders, but not Hillary, and her dad was for Trump, which other students made fun of her for. Around the end of the school year last year, if students wanted to tease a kid, they would tell everyone that person liked Trump, which would get some kids really upset.
Also, if they were mad at me, they would either ask or say that I was voting for Trump. I normally would respond be saying something like, "hey, we're in school and I don't want your parents thinking I'm telling you about politics because I don't want angry phone calls, but I'm absolutely not voting for Trump and don't even think I am."
Interestingly, two years ago, I had a student who would make weird claims about Hillary Clinton. I don't remember all the specifics but it wasn't as much political as ascribing bad things to her through the mind of a child. I recall him saying she had some sort of clandestine spy/CIA army under control. Of course, he also said that when the Wal-Mart closed down, it was part of a conspiracy of government takeover (kind of like the Jade Helm thing). Of course, he was Latino, too, but since he was at middle school the next year, I didn't get a chance to see if he would have come around to Clinton after the stuff Trump said became more well known. His younger brother sure didn't like Trump, but didn't have an opinion on Clinton.
I don't teach anymore, so I couldn't tell you the current opinions. Knowing the students, they're probably talking about the clown stuff going on. Some of the teachers also throw up regular Hillary for jail stuff on facebook, and get mad at me for my political views, which are not the same as theirs.
I'm not a teacher but a therapist who works with lots of elementary kids. One told me Trump wants to get rid of all the Mexicans and build a wall not just around, but over America. I think he's picturing a giant dome over the country, but he thought it was a bad idea so I didn't argue.
I teach 5th grade-primarily Hispanic kids but also a large number of muslims from various African countries. They all hate Trump. They say he's racist and stupid and ugly. They even attacked another 5th grade teacher who was a Trump supporter and told her she was stupid because she liked Trump.
Cannon1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One 5-year-old boy gleefully shouted, "No! You can't say the h-word!"
"I'm sorry?"
Leans in, whispers: "Huuuuuuge."
Apparently his parents had jokingly decided that was a "bad word" because of Trump, and he thought it was hilarious.
And his mom could do a pretty great Bernie Sanders impression.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 7 yr old son asked if because we now live in Vermont , when he was born in Indiana, if Trump would kick him out of this state and he wouldn't be able to see his friends anymore. He was really upset about that possibility. He also is convinced that Trump would start WWIII. He's asked if we'll move to a different country. Seems like my second grader hears about it at school quite often.
djr5252 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, I'm a middle school teacher and I've heard many opinions from students. One I want to share though is from a student who's parents immigrated from El Salvador and he said "Trump thinks I'm a rapist." It was pretty heart breaking.
zarkan80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After school worker here, one kid dressed up as Trump for a day and built a block wall
I taught computer science last year. At the end of the week I would have to clean up the computers of any junk with our IT guy. It was hilarious when we came across 300 recycle bins on the desktop all named Donald Trump. These kids were 8 to 11 y.o.
Heard from some parents who have kids in elementary school, but here in the hipster parts of Brooklyn, calling another kid a DT is a big insult on the playground.
My best friend just got home from teaching in China. The Chinese teacher had the kids draw what they imagined Americans looked like. Most of them drew blonde white people. One of them made an orange blob. When my friend asked why, he looked up, paused, and shouted "you look like Donald trump!" (She is a tall, swarthy Italian woman), he yelled this every time she entered the room he would yell that. It's my favorite thing
Teacher and summer camp leader here. A select group of kids talk about Trump pretty regularly. One made Trump's head out of melty beads and proudly wore it on a string around his neck. He's a vocal Hillary supporter.
A coworker of mine was playing a board game with two boys (7 and 8) one day and these two were bickering about each other's moves while pretending to be Trump and Clinton. Said coworker was taking his time making a move and little Trump speaks up, "Come ON, Bernie Sanders! You're so old and slow!"
Also, lots of TRUMP written in chalk out on the playground.
Ifette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably whatever their parents say.
stfudony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grader was reading a Scholastic magazine, she then yelled "Look Donald Trump!". I took a peek and it was a picture of Owen Wilson.
I'm not a teacher but I work in elementary schools. Predominantly African-American students. One of the schools had a mock election, the students came in rounds by homerooms.
I heard multiple students in multiple homerooms going around asking each other to make sure they weren't voting for Trump. As a joke, one of the student teachers told one of the kids that I'm voting for Trump and she looked at me like she was disgusted and walked away.
I threw in a write-in vote for Jill Stein to throw off the guy who had to count them.
My girlfriend teaches 2nd grade and had a student tell her how she's afraid of Harley Quinn--you know, the old lady in the election--but she doesn't trust the other guy so she wants Harley Quinn to win anyway.
jollyjew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About Clinton: "she's going to die soon."
About Trump: "I hate Donald trump."
dawn417 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian here. I had a second grader ask if Trump was going to become president of Canada.
Leudius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend teaches third grade and one of her students asked her if she was voting for "Donald Trunk" or "that other guy."
Also, towards the end of last school year, she had a little boy say that he hoped Trump would win because he'd "bomb the shit out everyone." He was a troubled kid to say the least.
Friend of mine works at an elementary school in an area with an immigrant population. Her kids worry about their parents being taken away if Trump wins.
My son is 7 and listens to news videos daily on the iPad. He said that they talk about trump but never Hillary. And trump touched a ladies privates. He asked why she didn't just tell people right away
Canadian here.
My 9 year old told me there is only going to be 1000 people living in the USA next year, because the rest will have moved to Canada and built a wall.
Not elementary but high school ...I have this friend who keeps telling me that americans should not vote for hillary because ,and I quote :"she is possessed by demon" !He got that from a stupid youtube video from a stupid french guy where you see hillary shaking weirdly for no reason ...(btw I live in Quebec and only 10% of quecers would vote for trump ,because we are a bunch of leftist)
cjbrigol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 4th graders had a deep discussion about how Hillary is gonna take all of our guns away.
e28power ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:15:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I there won't be any guns, since Obama already took all of them, right?
/s
It was very sad, but I had a 4th grade student in tears recently because he heard his friends repeating what some of their parents had said regarding the deportation of illegal immigrants. His family is from Cuba and he was so upset at the thought that someone would want to send his family away.
I'm a student teacher but you can tell kids come from a trump family when the kid actively believes trump is going to make america great again when they're only just now learning about American history in 7th grade.
Llys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife teaches 4th grade in a very small town. Apparently anytime politics of any sort is brought up all of the kids like to proclaim their excitement for Trump and the dislike for "stupid" Hillary.
I'm not a teacher but I my son is a 4th grader. He asked said, you guys always tell me bullying is bad. Donald Trump is a bully. Why do so many people like him if he's mean & a bully. I hesitated and almost said, "it's complicated" but I didn't. Because it's not. I think it's pretty clear just based on just that and not the avalanche of things that seem to keep falling on us.
Lolanie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory not a teacher, but my 5 year old said that he would vote for Trump if he could because Trump said that he was strong (we had just been listening to a story about the election on NPR on the way to school).
We had a little talk about critical thinking skills and why they're important waiting for the school doors to open.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:47:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my kid said they supported a candidate I didn't
so we talked about """""critical thinking""""" until she supported my candidate
Seriously?
Lolanie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't have anything to do with the particular candidate (and my kid still supports Trump, btw). More about doing research about what candidates (or other people who have something to gain) say about themselves, so you can make your own decision.
We also talked about this concept in relation to advertising, specifically as it applies to commercials (which we've had lots of discussions with our kid as he's gotten older). Do you believe everything that the Oxiclean infomercials tell you about their product? Or the Ninja bullet blender thing? Or the latest "herbal supplement"? Probably not. Why shouldn't the same thought process apply for politics? And why not start teaching my kid to think about what people are telling him, especially when they have something to gain from it?
vlsanche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my Kindergarten students is confused and thinks Trump is sending him back to Mexico. But he's biracial, Mexican-African American and born in the United States. I keep telling him he's safe!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:46:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little sister is 10 and attends school in Ireland. A few days ago she told me teacher banned talking about Donald Trump because people would make fun of him so much and that after he was banned they started making fun of Clinton.
Because it is one of the worlds biggest economies and we have a huge amount of American companies employing people in the IT industry. People are spending more time talking about US politics right now than Irish politics. Everyone also has at least a few relatives in the US. The Internet has also really made young people follow US politics, funnily enough through memes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump's gonna send us all back to Africa!" I work in a title I school.
At dinner tonight our 10 year old nephew said that Trump is a racist.
mo9722 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary teacher, but an archery instructor for children. One boy was playing with some stones building something. I asked what it was for and he said "I'm building a wall to keep out the girls, and they're gonna pay for it".
I teach 8th grade right up against the Appalachians. Many confederate flags, little diversity. As previously mentioned somewhere, a student sort of randomly blurts out, "Trump!" My one of my two Latino students (who is very sincere and sweet, but very impulsive) responds, completely straight faced, immediately with, "I didn't know you were racist."
Silence.
The first kid had no idea what to say. I just let that thought hang there for a few seconds before redirecting things back to the distributive property. I know, I know....I missed a teachable moment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kid should have yelled back "not everyone you don't like is racist"
What made it so funny to me was the look of surprise on my Latino student's face. These two boys frequently laugh together and talk about all kinds of things. They get along very well. I would guess that in the house of the Latino student, Trump is not very well spoken of. The student from that house probably thinks that all Trump supporters are racists. So when a boy his own age, who up to this point has been nothing but friendly, says, "Trump!" it probably really confused him.
As in, "This is a nice human. How can he support Trump?" ( simple middle school logic)
I worked at a charter school last year and had quite a few students who had immigrant parents. They were constantly asking me if Trump was going to break up their families and send their parents back to where they came from.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I recently found my 5th grade journal (I'm now a sophomore in college) and one of the last entries was things I hated. Among the list, including things like math problems, scrambled eggs, and running, was 'Halery Clinten.' I assume my parents were vocally upset about something in the news at the time, but we're not sure what.
I run a coding for kids program and my kids started trash talking Trump and wanted to make games where you can kill them. Most of them are non-caucasian.
Not a teacher but I work at a school and my coworker's son attends our school. She told me that keeps telling everyone to vote for the girl because trump is going to deport his parents. Apparently many students have the same fear.
Gdash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 7 year old son who is half Mexican came home really worried one day. He asked "is Trump going to deport us?". He said all the kids were saying that Trump was going to deport Mexicans
My sister just told me a story about her third graders who wrote about Trump and how he shouldn't be president because he doesn't follow the school rules of honesty and respect.
She said that they didn't use the words but called him out for racism and misogyny.
Not a teacher but I work with after school programs and summer camps. One my 3rd graders last year said he wanted Trump to be president because he "tells it like it is"
When my kids get out of hand and I'm tired of yelling, I play the montage of Trump saying "China" really loudly over the projector. They hate it. Unfortunately, they now think it's funny to say "China China China" until they get my attention.
I also have a student who was born in Kentucky who thinks he will have to go back to his home state if Trump is elected. His friends are seriously depressed about it.
When I was in 1st or 2nd grade they led each class down to the library and had each student sit in front of a computer and "vote" for one of the candidates at the time.
What the fuck? Grade schoolers have no knowledge of candidates or politics at all. What the hell is the point of even asking their opinion of who should be president?
I "voted" for Dukakis because he had the same first name as me.
I work at a school, not a teacher though. One first grader told me that Trump would kill my mom if he got elected. He told several students this too, that's why I had to talk with him.
I was working at a preschool but we had a summer camp for kids up to age ten. I had an eight-year-old tell me that he wants Trump to win. His sister told me it's because he doesn't want a girl to be president. But his family immigrated from India five years ago...
I was a teacher last year in Brooklyn (I have since moved on to another profession). I overheard my 3rd grade students discussing the election, most of them were saying how horrible and racist Trump was.
One non-white student got really upset and said that Trump was great and he couldn't be racist because he wasn't white. He seriously thought because of his tan that Trump was a person of color.
lowfoam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty tame, but my 6th graders in South Korea said, "Trump bad." And asked me who I'd be voting for.
I was so thoroughly confused. I was like, "???!!!!"
I'm not a teacher but some 4th grader told my 4th grader that if Trump becomes President then he is going to bring back segregation. I'm white and my wife is black. He was very upset thinking he would have to choose which one of us he would have to live with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motherfucking 8th graders are having more coherent discussions about Trump v Hillary, as well as the 3rd party candidates than my 21 y/o sister ever could hold. There are many that do not care, yet understand what is happening at the very least. Then there are the ones who are probably parroting what the parents are saying, however, they are not just repeating things. They actually understand those issues, or at least their parents' side.
We held mock debates and discussions in my social studies class, and while I started it off by explaining what a 'republican' and a 'democrat' was, kids were immediately dropping the names and positions of 3rd party candidates, then ripping into each other over the positions of said candidates.
That was pretty surreal, being that I was an 8th grader barely 10 years ago, and I did not even remotely care about politics until early college. I guess the combination of having one of the most inconceivable election seasons, coupled with the availability of information-both mainstream media and independent outlets, led to this.
I teach HS, but the kids are special ed, around elementary level. We were talking about the debate and the segment on race relations (my kids are all minorities).
Student 1: Hillary is out of touch.
Student 2: that's because she's white and doesn't understand us.
Student 1: YOU CAN'T SAY THAT! YOU CAN'T SAY SHE'S WHITE!
Me: it's okay to say that, she is white. I'm white, too.
Great question OP, great question. I feel my response is going to get buried here being so late. I won't get much help from the mainstream Reddit voters I can tell you that. I won't concede though.
I'm not an elementary school teacher but my youngest brother is in first grade and I don't know where he got it from but it is hilarious. Remember that tv show, kids say the darndest things. My youngest brother is just like that and it is the funniest thing I hear.
I've heard from him he and his friends talk about Donald Trump and Hillary in class, more so Trump. He repeats some easier soundbites, nothing nasty but his go to one is a joke about Donald Trump that always ends in 'Donald Trump has corn hair'. I don't know where it came from but it is either that or he says Donald Trump boo, Hillary Clinton yay. From what I know, he isn't disruptive in class more than usual but I don't know where this comes from.
For all your information. My father and I watch the debates together and talk back and forth about it. He is a registered Repub, I'm registered Liberal.
I remember when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade I heard about Hillary running for president and all the girls in my class were excited a woman was running. It just occurred to me this year how long it took her to finally run. I'm in college now.
My students told me they don't like Trump because they don't think he's "funny".
Good job, Japanese elementary girls.
RiseiK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm part of a reading group for first graders and while someone was reading a page one of the boys starts chanting, "Trump 2016, Trump 2016" just to disrupt the flow. Crazy how a campaign hits their demographic.
Jokes aside, this is my first year in the classroom and it's crazy how children can spout rhetoric that I assume comes from their parents. (Moments later the boy had a chant match against a girl that was a Hillary supporter)
Not a teacher, rather a father of a none year old girl. Heck, we're not even American. We are from Canada. We haven't spoken to her about American politics at all. I was explaining how we use movies and stories about war so we remeber to do our best to avoid it. Or something like that.
She said many things but here are four statements i wrote down so I would remeber what she said.
"If Trump is elected he would start a war. "
"Hilary is up by about 5%."
"I can't believe people are voting for trump."
"I'm not worried I am just eager to see who wins.""
I was impressed how much she knew from her school gossip. (Again in Canada)
One of my first graders told his tablemates that if he ever saw Trump in person, he'd "use the 's' word on him." The "s" word that he meant was "shut up." The rest of his table followed up with strong support for Hillary. (I teach in a very liberal city outside of Boston.)
My students were convinced that both parties were morons & that voting for the Green Party would be the best option. They don't realize third party voting has rarely reached high enough votes to be considered competitive & that they would pretty much be forsaking their votes, despite their beliefs.
The little girl knew she wasn't supposed to do it, when you're in that school you either invite everyone, or pass out the invites another way, like at dance class, ball practice, whatever. She waited until the teacher wasn't in there, and gave them to who she chose in front of everyone.
It hurt my sons feelings, and he came home crying. She said it as she was passing them out, 'anyone who has to go home when Donald Trump is President can't come.' Was said at that point. My sons best friend is black so he was left out because of that. I got so mad that I said something I regretted because I called the kid a butthole, and then my son called her one at school, ouch. I got a call from the teacher, but she agreed with me. And the other parents got a call, too. The teacher was PISSED at how that went down behind her back, and was glad my kid stood his ground. There were some hurt feeling over that...
One little girl had nightmares because she though they were going to throw her over 'the wall' because that little girl had told her so.
My 10 year old brother says Trump is going to win. He won't explain why but I'm pretty sure it's because he hears more about Trump.
I was pro-Bernie until he sold out, so we were constantly yelling at each other over Trump vs Bernie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a Russian school and the weirdest craze we had here was about one year ago; all the kids between about 9-11 years of age seemed obsessed with Five Nights at Freddy's. One girl even made a little Foxy doll out of rubber bands.
It's weird because they talked about them more like lovable cartoon characters than psychotic killing machines.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Summer creative writing teacher here. My 7th graders were playing a game where everyone sits in a circle and says one word each to make a story. It devolved quickly into Trump being stabbed and burnt alive, and Clinton dabbing to death. I'm from a super conservative area, so when one of our supervisors walked into the room I had to scold them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
littleln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. I'm not a teacher, but I'm a parent and I lead two girl scout troops (6 year olds in one troop, 9-10 year olds in the other). What I have heard so far is appalling.
In my troop of older girls there is a little girl who is adopted and was born in South America. This poor kid had a nervous breakdown because she was convinced (by her peers at school I assume) that she would be separated from her family deported if Trump is elected. Horrid.
Among both groups there has been an increase in discussing skin color and racism among the Caucasian kids.
My own daughter (6) started spouting very racist rhetoric one night at dinner. It was horrifying. I can only guess she heard it from a classmate. Meanwhile my oldest clearly has a teacher telling the kids that Trump is evil and that Hillary is the better choice. She's never heard anything from us other than that they are both crooked af.
Anyway, the racist crap coming out of these kids mouths is awful. We had one kid quit because of it. We could control the kids at our meetings, but not outside the meetings and she didn't want to be around them any more. I'm about to start booting kids if they can't control themselves.
I'm an elementary school sub and 99.9% of the time, if the election comes up, the consensus is that Trump is mean. Very little gets said about Hillary.
Last week I was subbing in a 1st grade class and we had some downtime so I showed this video. It's fun and I thought we could just talk about the presidency and election process for a minute. If you didn't watch the video, it's a song that lists the presidents except it's from 2004 so it ends with Bush. When it was over, I asked who was missing. I got an enthusiastic, "Donald Trump!" from half the class. I said, "no, the current president is missing. Who is that?"
"DONALD TRUMP!"
I asked, "is he the president right now?"
"YES!"
"No, he is running for president. Who's the president right now and has been for the past 8 years?"
One little girl raised her hand and said President Obama. When we lined up for the next thing, a little boy came up to me and said, "But Mrs. notstephanie, Donald Trump is a good guy! He's just a really good guy." It was the first time I'd heard any student say anything positive about either of them and I couldn't help but feel like he was repeating what he heard his parents say.
Jedleton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:01 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oishster ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm Muslim, a few of the little kids at the mosque are absolutely terrified of Trump. One poor little guy was crying because his older sister was scaring him with things like "oooo, be careful when you fall asleep because trump's coming for you!! trump's gonna come get you in the middle of the night!" He's basically the face of the boogeyman now
bbrosen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and I mean, all these kids are friends, they're literally just... it's like, you can hear their parents when they talk politics. But you know.
I'm not a teacher, just a volunteer for an after school thing, so it's fun for me to watch but yeah. I was kinda laughing about it, but we changed the subject pretty quick after that.
why-this ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1: Just call me Mel. I'm currently working in Virginia. I'm a writer and an actor, but since most people don't really pay those professions, I'm a lifeguard to pay rent. Currently working on about six plays in some form or another, four of which I perform this month. I want to be an actor professionally, you know, like for money. Same for writing. But more than anything I just want to be happy, you know? My personal measure of success is whether you're happy with where you are.
2: I spend my day trying not to fall asleep at a pool, then writing a ton, and then rehearsing a ton. You know. Usual.
3: I am really excited about an article I'm writing about these goddamn clowns all over America. Might share here when it's done.
A 4th grader on the playground before school: "Trump's gonna put Hillary in jail!" Then moments later, when a girl wanted to play 4-square: "No girls allowed!"
I teach sixth grade in a very predominantly Hispanic area. When Trump was visiting Mexico, my students were in favor of his wall so he couldn't get back into the US.
They also throw paper balls at the screen when Trump is mentioned on Channel One.
No real opinions on Hillary, but they know they hate Trump.
Again, those people with valid permits are here legally.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was with middle schoolers (I used to work as an intern with a non profit that ran a bunch of creative writing events and workshops), but we had a skit where the kids roleplayed a news program where Donald Trump finds out his wife is secretly Mexican and naturally builds a wall around her. The kids had lots to say about politics.
762x39mm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My Mom told me that Donald Trump was racist, so I have no choice but to believe her."
no fucking way you dont. they shouldnt be hearing about it at all but if they fucking are whatever misconceptions they have are much safer than the reality. jesus christ, if my kid knew anything about donald trump i would have failed horribly at being a parent.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lawise92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in an area with a high Hispanic population. Many of my students are terrified of their families and loved ones being deported. I also have a student who likes Trump because "he talks about the Bible" and another student who says she would vote for Trump because "my dad says a woman can't be president".
I work in a mostly black and Hispanic district and the kids in the behavioral classroom like to stick it to their white teacher by telling her she's racist and they know she's voting for Trump. (Can confirm via Facebook, she is)
ITT: A bunch of children reciting crap that their parents believe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The number of people who use their kids as political pawns is sickening from the illegals who make their kids hold up "don't deport my parents" signs to the people who take their kids to pro life rallies.
Your kid isn't a fucking billboard of your political beliefs! Let them think for themselves!
My kids are vehemently against Trump simply because his ads always pop up on YouTube when they go to watch their favorite shows. I don't understand why Trump ads are always on kids shows on there. Peppa Pig, Barbie Life in the Dreamhouse, etc. My 6 year old daughter is just pissed that he cuts into her allotted tablet time.
Do people legitimately think you're an elementary school kid?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he probably isn't based on the way it's written, but it's really not that unlikely that elementary school students post on Reddit. I mean, they're perfectly capable of using operating a computer, reading, writing; everything necessary to use Reddit. I remember I made online accounts when I was in elementary school and talked to people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems a lot of these kids understand all too much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother works as a paraprofessional at a middle school. Last I talked to her she was telling me how every Friday the history classes talk about the election. Apparently most of the kids seem to be pro Trump, but the girls largely dislike him. (So I guess it's only slightly a majority for Trump?) They found this out by doing a little mock election in the individual classes.
Someone thought it was such a great idea that now the entire school, 6-8th grade, is going to vote in a mock election the week before the real election.
And who will be on this ballot you may be asking? Johnson? Nope. Stein? Nope. Vermin Supreme? Nope. The children will get to choose between Hillary, and Trump.
A mock election, held for educational purposes, is going to leave out third parties. Maybe it's just me but leaving out the possibility for a spoiler in an educational exercise just seems ridiculous.
Having said that, My mother, an registered independent, who sits through 3 of these history classes a day, didn't even know that Johnson and Stein are in the running. She has no idea who they are. So the teachers/students must not even be talking about them, which I find more concerning/surprising than anything a kid might parrot about Trump or Clinton that they learned from parents.
Why not leave the opportunity to possibly teach the kids about the positives and negatives of our voting system? As is they're basically just hosting a popularity contest that will surely result in kids being dicks to each other regardless of who the winner is.
I suppose that's pretty accurate of most elections though sadly.
LIA17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with many first/second generation Americans. Mostly of Mexican heritage. Third grader asked me, "Who will take care of me if trump wins? He will send my family away."
mutatron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:50:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Trump says he'll keep the families together, meaning he'll send the kids away too.
My wife is in college and had to do a group presentation. She had to write a (fake/real) introduction for herself talking herself up. She is an immigrant. So she said she graduated top of her class at Trump University. The mexican guy who read her intro, just skipped it. I was so pissed, being offended by somebody doesn't give you the right to censor someone else.
Taelon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was no class to graduate from. He was just skipping the unrealistic bit.
I teach middle schoolโฆ Most of the obnoxious kids think Donald Trump is hilarious and the minorities/girls seem to think he is mean and going to lose.
The majority of all kids don't really seem to have an opinion on Hillary at all. Some of the students parents won't let them watch the debates so I can understand why.
I read my first graders the book Duck For President. At the end I asked if they knew who was running for president, they did, and then I asked if they would vote for a duck. They all yelled YESS! And I said I would too.
One of my middle schoolers put "kill Trump" as #3 when we were writing down short term goals... the whole class hates him, but so do all the teachers. This is the first election we've completely ignored the no politics in school recommendation...
Not expelled, but yeah he would've been spoken with. We didnt encourage him, but we let it go because in a way, a kid wanting to kill Trump is somewhat of a reasonable reaction especially because the kid never would.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im support staff at an elementry prep school. We've had parent-student-staff meetings about why its not okay to play Donald Trump Tag (same rules, it=trump). They now play cops and robbers. They would rather be called robbers than Donald Trump.
Maybe you should tell him she is not really the one who kills the babies but the babies mothers do and they do it by sucking them out of their wombs using a vacuum and it tears their little bodies to pieces. They then make excuses for it like " i wasn't ready to be a mother" or " i still have a lot to accomplish in my life" . And they think it is preferable to having sex with a rubber.
conuly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nearly all abortions are of embryos, using a pill.
bungdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher but other students in my niece's class were asking her when she would be 'finally' be kicked out of the country by Trump. After the San Bernadino shootings, a few of those kids followed her into the bathroom and demanded to know why "her people" did that. My niece is Muslim and wears the hijab.
Since my sister is Canadian, my niece is dual-citizen. They've decided to move here to BC regardless of how the election pans out.
One of my 6th graders asked Trump when he was going to build the wall because there are a lot of kids at our school who need to be on the other side of it.
cocoravo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Three people who would vote for Hillary: retards, retards, and retards" -4th grade
This is a high schooler, but maybe still acceptable.
"Hillary is an evil baby killer and she should be in prison and killed. Especially because of the emails."
Me-"What do you mean by emails? Do you know what they're talking about when they talk about the emails?"
Student- "... No... Not really... But they're illegal."
Tedditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is in 3rd grade in a pretty liberal area. They walk around the playground and say things like "dump the Trump". He came home the other day and said one of his classmates parents are voting for Trump. I said "OK, did he say why?" He replied "Well his dad is Russian, maybe that has something to do with it".
I drive a school bus and sometimes the middle schoolers get really loud about whatever their parents believe. High schoolers pretty much don't care to argue about it, and elementary kids mostly don't pay attention to it.
reki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High schoolers probably don't want to ostracize themselves/their friends to openly discuss politics, instead hiding behind facetious comments like "I'm going to vote Gary Johnson!"
One of the older kids (a black girl) who is now in kindergarten told me that Trump is a very bad man. Another (slightly younger) kid from another class overheard and said he likes Trump. The look she gave him was scathing. She rolled her eyes and walked away.
After she left I asked him why he liked Trump and he shrugged. He asked me who I liked and I said Trump was okay (it wasn't true but I didn't want to say that, AND it was when Trump being in the running was still a joke) but I also liked Bernie Sanders. His eyes lit up and he said he liked him, too. It quickly became clear that it was name recognition rather than having an actual opinion about them, but it was fun to see anyway.
The girl knew what she meant though. Very intelligent girl, intelligent parents, and an intelligent older sister. She knows.
I was in a classroom a few weeks ago and kids were describing an old creepy looking mansion. It kind of looked like a haunted house. They were all saying it looked creepy and kind of scary. Then one kid said it looks like a house Donald Trump would live in and all the kids laughed. I chuckled too.
I teach 7th graders (12 year olds) in a blue area of a swing state. Kids are constantly searching for topics they can use to make jokes and entertain their peers, so they mostly make fun of Trump and rarely mention Clinton. When the election comes up, many vehemently shout "Harambe for president!"
The debates often feature in their vocabulary sentences and fiction story ideas. Favorite vocab sentence of the year so far:
"In the debate on Monday, all Trump did was contradict Hillary, without saying anything about his own plans."
4th grader - about trump: "That man has no business becoming president of the USA" Later that day, he calls a little girl "fat pig" and "nerd" and "nerd glasses." Then trows her stuff on the floor :(
I talked about Trump with my students last week. They said he was racist. They know he wants to build a wall and they know he's a misogynistic sex offender. That's about all they said. They're French, btw, so I thought it was interesting to ask them what they knew about him. They're 14 years-old.
did you tell them about the video where hillary is laughing at a girl 2 years younger then them that got raped into a coma for 5 days and hillary said that she wanted it.... because thats actually true
Most of my non-white students are worried trump is going to send them back from where their grandparents immigrated from. I had a third grade boy cry to me once saying how scared he was that trump was going to kick him out of his home. Really sad how its shaping the younger generation.
GavinET ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really grinds my gears how Hillary says she cares about the children, complains that they have to hear his mean words on TV, then in the same commercial she airs clips of him saying those things which children are hearing even more than the one time he said it!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GavinET ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is A+ logic because I'm not mad of him saying it. I'm mad the messenger complains about people having to hear it yet she plays it over and over again for months so you will have to hear it many, many times. That's more than just a messenger.
I teach at an elementary school in a town that's ~50% Hispanic. I have heard 6 students so far express fears about their families getting deported if Trump wins. I have also heard students tell me who they support but none have given me a reason.
Ptizzl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my friend told me that her kid came home and asked what a pussy was, because all the boys were running around shouting "grab her by the pussy"
esayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8 yo nephew last night said he doesn't like Hillary because she's going to take away summer break and make school a year round thing. Even little kids are spreading untrue rumors about Hill.
My 8-year-old told me "I hope Donald trump loses the election and gets assassinated." I told him he's not wrong but probably shouldn't say that. He also ratted out his grandpa telling me someone came to their door asking pappy to sign a paper promising to vote for trump but told him to go away.
I don't talk about politics with him at all but I'm glad he's on the same page as I am.
I teach elementary art to kindergarten through 5th grade in Texas school that is comprised of 99% Hispanic students.
In a few of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade class sections, the students have overwhelming expressed: that they hate Trump, they are scared of him, that he will ship them all away, that he'll take their families away, and that his hair is stupid.
No mention of Hillary though.
my 5th grade students are writing a fictional narrative and several asked if they could right about Trump. My only requirements were it had to have a problem and a solution and had to be fictional in nature. Several of them got together to brainstorm and decided Trump was going down. When he came down to the border to inspect his wall, they pushed it over on him.
I teach a first/second grade combo class. I teach in a low income neighborhood in Los Angeles. My class is 80% African American and 20% Latino. My students have heard him on TV. They think he's mean and they are scared. They know their parents are concerned. They understand what racism is and that it is wrong to judge another based on the color of their skin (we study MLK and Civil Rights Activists). I've asked them to write about what they would do if they were President, and I've gotten "I'd be nice to Black people" "I would make everyone be kind to one another" and "I would make every day a pizza party" all of which I think are great ideas.
That Trump punches babies in the face. Another one tried telling me that Trump lives in a trash can.
elohvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The school I teach at is predominantly Hispanic. A few of the Latino kids are calling one of the white students Donald Trump because the white student was picking on them (allegedly). It's way too sad and also aggravating. Another colleague said one of the kids called her Donald Trump because he thinks she didn't like him because she's white and he's black (she was apprehending him for swearing at another student). I'm really worried about the next few weeks.
TL;DR calling people and teachers Donald Trump is an insult around my school.
Edit: Just remembered one student told me Trump is going to deport me to Iceland because that's where the mixed people go.
I would be really curious to know how much of this was brought on by stuff they heard in the media and how much was brought on by attitudes and speech from their parents. I am not a Trump fan in any way shape or form but that is really appalling that kids say things like that.
elohvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I too consider this factor. The media does tend to blow things up for effect. I too am not a fan of any of the current presidential candidates for that matter. But I'm sure that D.T. is definitely shining a negative light of various groups of people and kids are certainly getting the bad vibes either from him, parents, media or elsewhere...
TL;DR agreed.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:04:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:44:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then everybody started clapping.
bambamtx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trumpets are awesome instruments when played correctly. You take that back!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:43:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in 7th grade and I can tell you that in Georgia every kid says "Donald Trump is the best! We need walls! Hillary will put us in death camps!" The last one has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard from my classmates. Sadly, not a single one can back up any of their claims. My teacher on the other hand, makes great points on why she thinks Hillary should be president.
NulloK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're Danish and during the news Trumps face showed up on the TV...my three year old daughter pointed her chubby little hand and said "I don't like that man!".
This is a downer but I work in a high poverty area with a lot of Hispanic students. Many parents are illegals so for the past year some students have literally lost it knowing if trump is elected there is a chance their parents could be sent back to Mexico. We have kids in tears about, acting out behaviorally because of this stress that they are being forced to deal with and are to young to understand.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I have one American in my class who moved from Kentucky 2 years ago. I think he's struggling big time with the fact that all the kids in my school hate Trump, ridicule Bush and love Obama.
I'm a camp counselor for 5th graders. Last spring I had a muslim boy in my cabin and he said โI hate Trump because he wants to send me and my mom back to Egypt.โ At first I chuckled but its actually sad that a 10 year old could think that a major presidential candidate hates him because of his religion.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They love Trump and all think Hillary is not telling the truth. They think she is using them to get elected.She always mentions children in her speeches and they get that feeling she really is selfish.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so father of five... but first time my 9 year old floated a "small loan of a million dollars" reference I nearly lost my shit. Wholly on their own: my youngest children 7,9,10 believe the guy is a total nut-job. Thank you YouTube clip shows poorly recommended for gamer shows! You can't weasel out of your own words. Oh, and bing bong bing... hell they can't get enough of that.
Both grandfathers are ignorant racists gun toters so...(I support gun rights, not law abiding sociopaths waiting for any excuse for an nword to cross them) it's great watching them mock trump in their face is very, very satisfying.
I'm not a teacher but I was working with some young kids in the inner city a few weeks ago and one told me that trump kills black people, which was new information for me.
Apperently Clinton is making it a law that you can't get a cell phone until you're 14. Smart parents. Stops your kid complaining about a cell phone. Because no one wants a Trump to win, getting cell phones aren't an issue in the 5th grade this year.
Not at teacher but a student at a UK high school. Trump is a joke over here, many support Clinton and a few (like myself) support Bernie. My school is rated one of the best in the country (Scotland) and is in a very expensive area. But it is also one of the most liberal areas. We fucking hate England for the mother-fucking-shitting-dick-cunt of a vote Brexit was. Trump here has no supporters and we are ashamed that he has ties with this country. I do not trust Clinton, but why the hell would you choose Trump over her. Also we have a lot of Muslims, a few gay/lesbian/bi, and a few immigrants (not born in this country but gained membership).
Tl;dr - In Scotland, Trump is a joke, Clinton's no better, but we prefer her
No we don't vote but your vote has a big effect on us. For example Trident (the nuclear weapon owned by America based in Scotland) may never be able to be destroyed as wished by the Scottish Government
Yes but if Trump's president then our only hope is independence from the rest of the UK. Since it is a deal with the UK and not Scotland we could get rid of it. And there is no guarantee that Clinton will allow us to get rid of it but we have a better chance due to her being, more, left wing than than Trump.
Well if it makes you feel better, 75-90% of Americans don't really know exactly what Scotland constitutes other something Britishy. It's not bc we are dumb, it's bc youre irrelevant. So in other words, nobody cares what you think.
Thanks we are irrelevant. Because you are dumb, Americans are fucking stupid. I went to Vegas last year, and adults there thought Scotland still lived in fucking Celtic warrior times. Even though we invented your phone, your TV, your bike, your penicillin, your roads, among others. Yes we are irrelevant. So go vote for your Trump and your Clinton but we will always be here and we will fight against anything you throw at us.
Don't get me wrong, Scots are the 2nd or 3rd biggest contributors to what made this country what it is. But if Scotland was a state, it would be a middle of the road state in every measure. How many Scots have a proper understanding of South Carolina, Oregon, or Colorado?
Vegas is a shithole, cool to go to once, but repeat customers tend to be douchbros, and drunk, and so on and so forth.
My 8 year old daughter said she hopes Hilary wins "because Donald Trump wants to build a wall around the United States and that's not right because we are the land of the free and the home of the brave".
asj29 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You ok bro? Upset because my 8 year old daughter understands politics better than you?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: terrible teachers who push children towards their political points of view
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Other than your comment, I never actually saw anybody trying to push their students towards their views. Try again.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:17:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try again? I don't have to impress you.
Degru ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my little brother knows almost nothing about the two candidates. Apparently one of his classmate's mom is a Trump supporter, so he comes home one day saying that he wants to vote for Trump. Needless to say, he's now much more educated about the election and now supports Hillary.
My fiancรฉe teaches 4th grade. A boy in her class said, in verbatim: "I'm not going to treat you with respect or listen to you because Donald Trump doesn't treat women that way."
My mom doesn't like to talk about work. She's a teachers assistant in an elementary school. I've asked her about this a few times but she just says it's sad and that she doesn't want to talk about it.
My mom is the daughter of immigrants and lives in a very poor, rural area. It's Trump country. My mom doesn't really care about politics but I can tell this election has taken a toll on her emotionally.
Well, for starters... They would lose their rights because they live in the inner city, the cops would be able to put them in jail for anything. Rogue cops. Think along of "Move along citizen" level stuff.
They do think he'll also put a wall around them too. It's his way of solving crime.
A totalitarianism state. Mind you, they are reading 1984 in their English 3 class right now.
I work in a very divided town. Lots of rich WASPs who are very annoyed that they share "their" town with people who are poorer/Hispanic/Black/Asian. It's bad out there. Shit that parents used to keep up themselves is all coming out now that it's socially acceptable to be racist again. One little boy told one of his friends that they couldn't be friends anymore since that friend was a "filthy Mexican who wants to rape my sister". Constant bullying about deporting other kids, even kids who's families have been here for generations.
"I don't like Hillary because she is going to build a wall and then I can't get to my mom"
I work in Texas. This was a girl with lots of family in Mexico.
Knowee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A girl in my high-school said " don't get me wrong, I hate socialism..." As if it's anti American to like socialism, Bet she doesn't even know what it is
I work at a special ed school. One of my students is obsessed with Trump. She goes into our room with newspapers and will find a picture with Trump and carry him around.
Conkster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at an elementary school, and I've actually overheard some kids telling latin@ kids that they wouldn't play with them because Mexicans are bad people who should go back to their country. Naturally, we had in inquiry with these specific kids and one told me that he shouldn't get in trouble for that because it's what The President said.
Keep in mind, this took place in Amherst, Massachusetts, the most diverse and liberal place I've ever been. I mean, they didn't really confirm which "president" they were talking about, but I'm assuming they don't come from a Clinton household.
"I don't want Trump to be president." with a sad pitiful look in the middle of a science test.
"Can I write crooked Hillary?" as an answer for a debate article.
"I hope Trump build his wall so he can keep the Mexicans out!"
It's honestly every fucking ask reddit thread. I remember one where it was asking about truck driver's expiriences, and half of the comments where people that knew truck drivers
Mitschu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, clearly they aren't teaching reading comprehension anymore...
yahvittu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:14:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT not elementary school teachers telling stories of not elementary school aged children
Escape92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine works in first grade in Southern California. Apparently her students had this conversation the other day:
Student 1: I'm reading a book about Hillary Clinton!
Student 2: They should write a book about Donald Trump!
Student 1: Oh, I could write that. "Donald Trump was a stupid kid with stupid hair. Now he's a stupid man with stupid hair, running for president. The end."
Student 3 (clearly has no idea what's going on): Who are you voting for, Ms. XXXXX? Hillary Clinton or Donald Duck?
I don't think she reddits, but if she sees this - sorry for stealing your story hun!
Also, during the 2000 election I was 7, and I clearly remember being at my grandparents' house the day after the vote, and my mum asking my grandad if he knew who had won. He said "Mickey Mouse" and I definitely believed that for a while.
At a field day type event at an elementary school this week. Heard a first grader...yes, first grader, say that if Hillary is President that she will kill all babies that can't be adopted. Her mom told her this. Nice.
ndorox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:16:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school and this was the spring. A black girl in my home room was convinced trump is going to send all the blacks back to Africa if he wins.
dlynne5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I had my 2 granddaughters spending the night a couple of weeks ago. They are both 8. They were cutting the plastic pieces that hold the toys to the cardboard with scissors. Out of the blue she starts sing songing : "Let's Make America Great Again, stab Donald Trump to death with scissors."
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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tinfang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your kids a liar - they'll make a fine right winger.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:56:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The teacher's actions are deplorable. Of course, HOW the media would handle might be very interesting. But the public spotlight might force the powers to be to reflect a bit on the practice and work to curtail it.
tinfang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Board of Ed, unacceptable in school.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I taught an after-school Pokรฉmon class that consisted of 3rd-6th graders from January to May. I remember one time the kids were talking about Trump among themselves in a pretty negative manner. The most memorable bit of the conversation for me was when one of the kids said, "They should call him Donald dump truck!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a class where I taught strategies with the Pokรฉmon TCG and video games to the students. The program coordinator reached out to the Pokรฉmon club at my university I was a part of asking if anyone was interested in teaching it (since students had expressed interest in having one to staff there). Not a mandatory thing or anything, but a fun after-school class they could sign up to take, as well as other after-school classes like chess, science, acting, etc.
Youtoo2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There has to be some kids talking about Trumps big weiner
ricekurt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:34:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is most definitely going to get lost but...
I don't teach elementary school but my class (grade twelve from an art school, my program's focus on literary arts) recently went to a primary school to teach the kids about poetry.
We did a lot of free verse and a surprising large amount of them chose to write about Donald Trump. We had them designing their own characters as well so there was lots of "Donald Rump", "Ronald Dump" and this one kid wrote how "Drumpty Trumpty fell of his wall" which was fairly entertaining. No one talked about Clinton though but it was interesting to see how much influence American politics has on Canadian children.
niuprice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:35:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary school teachers are probably teaching their kids whatever the schoolboard tells them to... which in this case is that Clinton is our savior.
emdee39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol not in the south
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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emdee39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every response in this thread is completely made up. The overwhelming majority of teachers for this age group are women and we all know that women don't listen to anything.
Normally I feel bad when someone like you gets baited out so easily but judging by your post history I wish nothing but an elevator ride with Ray Rice for you.
bagano1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably as well-informed as what many millennials are saying, TBH.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a preschool during the primaries and never had anyone say anything. If anything I made subtle Trump references but only because the other teachers made subtle democrat references.
A kid was playing with a cash register toy? "Alright you want to run a successful business, you gotta know the art of the deal"
I only did that because when we talked about voting the head teacher said "people are trying to take your right to vote away from you" I wanted to step in and say "we want to make sure its you" but I was an intern so I held my tongue.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except your head teacher was right. Stricter voter ID laws are aimed towards keeping lower income and minorities from voting, and gerrymandering lessens their voting power. Voter ID fraud is a non issue.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let the children study the issue and come to their own conclusions.
I am not there to teach a child what to think, I want them to learn HOW to think. I don't really care what conclusion they come to as long as they got all the facts
And for the record of voter ID laws are racist so are driving laws, car renting laws, tobacco laws, CCW/CHL laws, laws regarding the sale of alcohol, laws about entering federal buildings, laws to own a gun, laws to gamble (some states) and a myriad of other laws.
Don't teach them about Hillary, teach them about Thatcher and May.
121381 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students tell me that Hillary is obviously very corrupt and that we must break the cycle and elect a true outsider. They say the like Trump because he speaks his mind and that the attacks by Republicans, Democrats, the media and Hollywood against Trump really have shown he is an underdog. Kids love an underdog.
cr2o3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also not a teacher, but my 8-year-old niece shared her feelings on the election with me during a recent visit. We were eating dinner and she got really sad and said she was afraid of "Donald Duck" getting elected because she was afraid some of her friends (who are Mexican) would be sent away if he became president. Regardless of if that's his actual plan, it made me really sad that she even has to think she has to worry about her friends like that.
Not a teacher but my 5th grader watched the first debate. On his tablet. Of his own accord. Needless to say, I was astonished. We had to interrupt him to come to the table for dinner and he asked for 5 more minutes because it was just getting to the good part. After he was done watching the whole thing his comment was "Why does anyone think Trump would be a good president?" followed by a sad shake of his head.
tinfang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
VillageDweller2.0 for Presdient 2048
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you nip that? Why not let him think for himself?
This Question being funny this thread could have been funny answers.
Instead it is embarrasing and simply not funny. Lot of canadians and various other stereotypes telling extremely stupid things .. as in their kids telling such stupid things. I would much rather continue to think that kids are a little bit more kids and switched off from the bs that is politics and religion and growing in a much more open positive world.
In this thread: a discussion of the effects of an "socially acceptable" form of child abuse.
The two awful things that parents indoctrinate young children with are religion and politics. Let them develop their own view of reality through analysis and critical thought.
Not a teacher, but both of my kids are in elementary school. My son asked me the other day who I was going to vote for; Donald Hump or Her Not Hilton. He said I should vote for Her Not Hilton because the other guys name sounded funny. He then giggle and said to himself "Donald Hump".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Encouraging some real deep critical thinking there.
Why was it ok for a bunch of y0oung children to be stuffed full of propaganda at school, to the extent that everyone was ecstatic when king obama was elected, but not ok for one kid to dissent? Are you upset he didn't drink the koolaid? And why would you assume it was because obama is half black? Perhaps this one kid came from a home where they actually discussed our history and policy, and was worried for what he knew was going to happen. Better for him, than jumping in with the rest of the lemmings.
ashi001 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no idea
piyudi ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:27:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would tell them the definition of a criminal and a racist. And show them picture of them as example.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:28:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife gives students that say pro-Drumpf things worse grades than if they supported HRC. I tell her it's wrong, but I secretly approve.
2 major things should be derived from this thread to anyone with a shred of intelligence that didn't already know:
1)most liberals have the critical thinking and emotional intelligence of children, thats why children overwhelmingly support liberal candidates/policies(he's mean, guns are bad, etc). Nobody is a strict constitutional Republican when they are 10. That should tell you something.
2)Shouldnt be a surprise we are at/near the top in education spending and struggle to keep up with powerhouses like Latvia in education, look who teaches/runs the system. I wouldn't hire a substantial amount of teachers to take my kid to the zoo for a day.
1) Do you have any actual evidence of this? I'll help you: No.
2). The USA is not ranked at or near the top in education. A quick Google search will provide some info based on actual, real-life studies, not somebody's logically flawed opinion.
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[deleted] ยท 9456 points ยท Posted at 16:08:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing since they started talking about killer clowns.
aibaron ยท 2768 points ยท Posted at 18:58:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, it's all they talk about now!
Lesson plan on honesty?
Well, you can lie about being a Clown! Is there one outside?
Team building games?
Did you hear about the clowns?
Dress up like a clown and stand motionless in their bunk for 3 hours in the middle of the night?
Next morning: Wow guys, I slept really well!
... I'm a camp director.
largeqquality ยท 329 points ยท Posted at 21:44:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can anyone concisely explain what is going on with the obsession with clowns, and why everyone is giving attention to it? I know people are pretending to be clowns. But I don't know why or why any of this is newsworthy.
WastingMyLifeHere2 ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 22:39:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it started with a report of some one dressed as a clown trying to lure a few kids away then it took off from there.
largeqquality ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 23:46:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how is this so popular yet people don't know where it came from. It's just like clowns are a "thing" all of a sudden? I know it's based on people dressing as clowns but why do so many people give a shit? It's way over my head.
hungryhungryluma ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 23:51:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a sighting of a clown in some city, I forget the name, and people called the police. The PD said it wasn't against the law. It was actually on reddit is where I saw it. I guess people saw that and copied it, and now you see those videos of the guys doing pranks as clowns and getting in fights and arrested. More copycats and I guess it just took off from there. I hear it's even a thing in the UK and Ireland as well as the US.
NickDownUnder ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 00:01:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's I'm Australia as well. My local police have issued a warning saying any clowns will be arrested on sight. I just wish the circus was in town right now so the cops could do a full raid on their tent
Kernath ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 00:06:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it legal to arrest someone for the way they're dressed?
moderatelyopiated ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 00:44:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can almost guarantee such an arrest would be based on intimidation, intent to terrorize, public disturbance, etc. They're just (rightfully IMO) looking for a reason to get them off whatever street they're stalking.
Dubanx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of fucked up. Part of me wishes I were Australian so I could hold a clown protest! Most of the rest of me is relieved I don't.
Zdrastvutye ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:17:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly in Europe, I can think of three examples where a person's manner of dress will attract police attention.
The first is my own country of the UK where there is a law in place which prohibits outright the wearing of 'political uniforms'. This applies to any and all political affiliations and so differs from something like the law in Germany which, as far as I'm aware, only prohibits Nazi uniforms. The primary reasoning behind this comes from the days when the Blackshirts, under the leadership of Oswald Mosley, held public rallies and often wore black shirts as part of their uniform, hence the name. In more recent times a number of prosecutions were aimed at members of Britain First, a far right political activist group, as they often chose to publicly demonstrate and rally whilst wearing clothing with the group's insignia on it, which meant they fell foul of the 1936 law.
Also, I believe that under public order laws, a person can be detained or fined in England and Wales if their manner of dress, behaviour or even presence within a public space is causing offence, distress or alarm to others.
The burqa ban in France. This is well-known and so I don't think I need to go into detail, but a large number of women have been either detained or fined for this law.
Germany's ban on all display of Nazi symbols, including uniforms and armbands/caps. This is primarily a move to combat and discourage neo-Nazis.
As /u/moderatelyopiated says, it's typically about public order, intimidation or such factors when such an arrest is made rather than the pure fact of someone wearing a certain type of clothing.
Kernath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:22:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I get that it's typically applied logically and not blindly, it just scares me because I don't like laws which are meant to be applied on the discretion of the enforcing party. Leaves too much room for human error.
OverlordQuasar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A law that leaves no room for the discretion of the enforcing party is simply a no tolerance policy, like with many schools not allowing kids to carry their inhalers due to them technically containing drugs. There needs to be some level of discretion in applying it or it will become ridiculous and people get punished for no good reason due to a technicality.
Hallc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of pure curiosity are you American by chance? I've just noticed that, in general, American Citizens have less trust for law enforcement than other counties seem to.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:38:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I can agree with banning forms of dress, it seems unnecessarily restrictive and abusable.
Zdrastvutye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:09:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly in the case of the British law, it had solid reasoning for existing bearing in mind the events surrounding the Blackshirts that had already happened. Plus when Britain First were at their peak, their demos were a major police headache and there was also a problem with them going in these uniforms to random mosques and then harassing both clergy and worshippers. It became an intimidation tactic and so had to be dealt with. IIRC not only were they cited for this, they were also cited for trespass and so dealt with.
PonyKiller81 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:53:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My rhetorical senses are tingling.
Australian here. The police warned they would arrest people dressed as clowns. Logic would state this is more to do with clowns in situations where people are trying to cause panic.
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 00:11:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
only in fake democratic countries.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 00:36:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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HybridVigor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, in fairness, there was the whole burkini insanity in France as well.
Kernath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:46:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The country doing the arresting of clowns on sight is Australia. I'm not very good at geography, but I'm pretty sure America isn't Australia.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:18:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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NickDownUnder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:38:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When they are dressing a certain way with the intention of causing trouble, maybe. I doubt there would be any serious charges unless they were found to be carrying weapons
mechchic84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine a birthday party where the balloon animal making clown gets arrested. Lol
robertt_g ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's legal to arrest someone for being naked...
OkArmordillo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:25:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the same thing.
nhaines ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:36:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:46:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly the same thing.
Unless there's something about nudity that's actually dangerous to bystanders.
Mr_E ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be undressed.
Solar-Salor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is a shame, Im sorry I thought this was America.
Fecklessnz ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 00:07:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's happening in New Zealand as well. People up north are organising clown hunts (wtf), and police have had to issue public notices saying that all vigilante clown hunters will be arrested if they violate the clown's (human) rights.
There's a circus company having to pack it in out of fear for their employees safety. It's fucking ridiculous. O_O
LiesAboutQuotes ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:36:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you implied that clowns are humans.
Fecklessnz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:51:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're humans dressed as clowns, duh.
jaypenn3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:01:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait so none of these are real clowns?
Fecklessnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
bobbygoshdontchaknow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:23:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you don't understand how it works. Saying that a clown is just a dressed up human is like saying that a werewolf is just an angry fuzzy human. Sure they were human at one time, but once they've transformed to their clown form they are just clown
Fecklessnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I can't argue with that logic now, can I?
harith_rhmn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friend showed me a video of a clown in the UoA library right when we were studying there at night. I study at home now.
sonicthehedgedog ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:09:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brazilian here, just watched a 30 minutes segment about people dressing as clowns, robbers wearing clown masks, clowns doing clown shit and clown phobia. It was aired on maybe the most watched sunday night TV show. Fucking America, man, you can't make this shit up.
jojoHEASE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:44 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which one is it lol
Sykres ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:16:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems pretty clear to me we're dealing with the beginnings of a full-on clown outbreak. Think zombie-nightmare earth, but more colourful. Now, we've dealt with these situations before, and we can learn from the past. The only question is: can the clowns learn too?
Jewish_Wookie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:57:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sort of becane a thing in Mexico as well, two guys dressed up as clowns and tried to scare some people in the middle of the night, but they got beaten to death and the whole clown thing died pretty quickly
theninjaseal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:28:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty shitty. Damn near oppressive.
NickDownUnder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:11:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah except these people are actively trying to terrorize others
theninjaseal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:03:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe in some cases but wearing a clown costume and being a terrorist are not correlated completely.
poodleshnoot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really amazing how the entire world can be obsessed with the same craze at one time now through the media... and annoying
Motobicycling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait til the zirca circus comes around. Although they're Asian acrobats and I doubt our cops would stand a chance
lithaborn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Started in the UK, 3 years ago. As usual though, you lot just had to take it too far.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lithaborn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh believe me, it was definitely a thing in the UK for a while.
Canazza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and more than 3 years ago. It was a thing about 25 years ago when I was at school.
already0gone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I remember seeing someone creeping around at Comic Con dressed in the same clown getup. Creepy as hell.
Harambe_Activist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wat
Kaiser-91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sweden as well. In my tiny-ass town, even. I assumed they were talking about the US or something when they started discussing it on the news, but then my town came up. It was weird.
nickburgess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Greenville South Carolina if I'm not mistaken. Entire communities were also found on Florida I'd I recall correctly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Northern Ireland it's a ยฃ100 fine if you're caught dressed as a clown.
tipofanacorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This recent killer clown craze actually originated in Europe (UK and France IIRC) and spread to America from there and now it's also spreading wider in Europe.
joebearyuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:52:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah theyre making arrests in the UK now.
craybrola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah people stabbed and arrested due to it
CrazyKirby97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:25:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It all went downhill when someone got stabbed to death, though.
KingClam2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone made a clown sighting YT video to try and grab on the media blitz... YT is full of copy cats... and suddenly the whole clown trend thing lends evidence to itself and everyone is left asking where it started.
Shazam_Bitches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it started as an add campaign for the remake of the movie "It" and just got way out of hand?
_GameSHARK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand how it's so popular in a country with as many guns as we have. How the fuck have these idiots not been shot yet? Why in the hell would you do anything remotely threatening in a country where gun owners are very common and tend to love the idea of playing Batman (or Frank Castle, I guess?) with them?
General_DisarrayHoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know for sure but maybe it has to do with the move "It" by Stephen King. people are also often scared of clowns so there's that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the masses.
When you point out something weird in a group of people, everyone looks towards what you pointed out.
Sometimes the interest doesn't last very long, sometimes it lasts for a loooong time.
This situation isn't very different from that.
themightyduck12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe because it's just the "new" thing (though it has been happening for a while). Maybe it's because Halloween is coming up, and people are excited for something spooky happening in real life (though this is not a good spooky...).
Or maybe people are just idiots.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop trying to make clowns happen. It's not going to happen.
kaboose9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the movie "it" have something similar to that? Never saw it, just heard my buddy say it had something to do with that movie
zappadattic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't really all of a sudden though. This has happened at least the last few years around Halloween.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows? If a sad frog meme can get around, so can a bunch of people dressing up as clowns.
Wheresmyaccount1121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people go to haunted houses? Why do people go on rollercoasters, skydiving, watch horror movies, etc? Because it's exciting. Its scary and adrenaline pumping. It's out of the norm and different from the daily grind. It's just interesting and exciting.
PaleIdiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:02 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just Slipknot viral marketing.
Pseuzq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way earlier, and smaller in scale, in Bakersfield, Calif. A lot of people speculated it was some sort of performance art, like a form of IRL Evil Clown Porn.
It got some coverage here on Reddit and elsewhere and the phenomenon began to grow slowly. But as all things Internet, people started copying and the meme was born. Now creepy clown stuff is the real-life equivalent of shitposting.
dodge_thiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:24:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The clowns my kids won't stop talking about are the ones that robbed and killed some store clerk.
martianvirus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that the first clown sighting that started all this nonsense was part of a publicity stunt for an upcoming movie. possibly the It remake?
I guess they just didn't anticipate how amusing/scary people would find it so now we've got all these copycats
nickburgess ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:07:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happened 30 minutes away from where I grew up. However I think I read that entire communities of clowns were found in the woods of Florida I think.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 23:02:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For those out of the loop, you should probably look it up.
Azurenightsky ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:41:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what /r/outoftheloop is for. Though your comment seems like it belongs in /r/outoftheloo, since looking it up can bring conflicting results
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 23:42:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guess the joke went over your head.
kylekylekylekyle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it went over my head too
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IT, the miniseries and story.
LadyCoru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would've helped if you had capitalized appropriately
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google don't care.
char-charmanda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Explain it, please. I must be dense.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The miniseries IT, and stories by Steven King.
SuperQuiMan ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 23:50:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Directly from r/OutOfTheLoop
Can someone explain the clowns roaming around in the states?
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/554rn9/can_someone_explain_the_clowns_roaming_around_in/?ref=search_posts
largeqquality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
PHUNkH0U53 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:58:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Clowns shouldn't get any Halloween love? They have a purpose right now other than alcoholism.
Twilightdusk ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:15:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's some kind of rumor going around about clowns showing up in the middle of the night and the implication is they want to kill people.
Ran4 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:59:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, people getting arrested for threatening people with knives... While being dressed at clowns.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:02:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which started post the beginning of the hysteria
UncreativeUser-kun ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:11:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean.. after? I know what post means obviously... but I've never seen it used that way.. only as a prefix or pseudo-prefix.
SuperFLEB ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:16:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sprinkle it with hyphens and it'd work.
sushi_cw ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:19:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would, but ew.
juicepants ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:07:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference between being a clown and pretending to be a clown? How sincere they are?
Memoryautofill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One goes to school, the other just dresses up as one.
BeardyDave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's viral marketing for the "It" remake.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like crop circles (remember those?). A few people did some staged scary clown "pranks" and it's sense inspired media attention. Now we have a myriad of people dressing up as clowns, getting media attention and people are being all "omg how crazy is this? This is just sooo scary." Oblivious that such mimetic mentality is older than the internet.
maineblackbear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your answer is almost perfect. You forgot to add the part where 90 percent of the sightings are hysteria.
wizzzkid93 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:02:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you know words like "mimetic" and "myriad" but not "since"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm not changing it sense you're going to be like that :)
HashSlingingSlash3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a meme
giveitago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The middle schooler next door tells me that clowns are kidnapping little kids.
Sandslinger_Eve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a sign of the end times
Prepareyourecolon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone in my state is missing and the kid's parents are dead.
HybridVigor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This type of question is perfect for r/outoftheloop.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New IT movie coming out
hubble3908 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was because of the announcement of the remake of the "It" movie.
daredevilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I though they killed some people or something
Shpeple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no obsession, there is a small group of retarded people that are trying to scare people by dressing up as clowns. What is great is that some of them have been jailed, as they should have. Also, some have tried breaking into homes or walking up to people with knives...some of them (the clowns) have been shot. It's a prank that has gone too far and is honestly just not cool.
Mightbeagoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There have been two attacks in my state (Colorado). I don't know how it started, but it's bringing all of the homicidal jugalos out of the wood works.
Indigocell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's basically a moral panic. Essentially, a single story gets sensationalized in the media causing more focus to be placed on similar stories. It's like a negative feedback loop that makes people assume the threat is disproportionately large. It often leads to reactionary bans that are more about making the public feel better than actually doing anything to make it safer.
TheTurtleyTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I don't think they're pretending to be clowns, if you dress up like a clown aren't you then a clown? Or at least an amateur clown?
falor42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A remake of "It" is coming out next year, I'm convinced its viral marketing.
Eskimoboy347 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has been perpetuated by more people clowning around. In my city clowns have been calling into school making clown threats
Honestly I wish I could hear then. How does one make a clown threat over the phone?
Malaix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its a flash mob meme. It'll die down given time like any meme. Its just spontaneous group actions that snowballs because people find amusement in large groups of people participating in absurdity. Its an odd quick with people and humor.
Sneezegoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seemes like it started to happen after the "It" remake was announced.
goodmyusernameis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's meme culture. Apparently society thinks it's significant now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marketing for the IT remake.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It started as guerrilla marketing for the new 'it' remake coming out. Then crazies jumped on the bandwagon, and in my country they are liable as fuck to get bashed. It's basically terrorism, but it's a good vent for people in my area with a lot of frustration they need to get out.
krackbaby2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Viral marketing for the new It movie
Khongus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all a giant guerrilla marketing campaign for the reboot of "It" coming to a theater near you September 8, 2017.
TomHardyAsBronson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Obsession, anxiety and fear of clowns as a social phenomenon in the US goes back to John Wayne Gacy. He was a serial killer caught in 1979 who was remarkable for two (other) reasons: he was known to be very active and well liked in his community and occasionally he worked as a clown for children's birthday parties. The country became obsessed with him because he was a perfect example of the last person you would expect to be a criminal yet it turned out he had bodies of teenage boys in his basement. He never killed anyone as a clown, and his victims were largely gay transient youth and young men (aged 16-21), but nonetheless people latched onto the clown image. His apprehension came at the time when the concept of "stranger danger" was really beginning in the US, as well as widespread conversations about homosexuality and the false conflation with pedophilia, so JWG fit perfectly as an example of all of the above. All of this grew throughout the 80s and really took off in the 90s in the form of satanic panic and the ever looming threat of pedophiles.
Meanwhile, the horror movie scene was in a state of flux from 50s style movie monsters (i.e. The Blob) towards humans and human-oids as the thing to fear (a transition set in motion by Psycho) so in the 70s and 80s you had a rash of films of men in masks killing people. After JWGs capture, Clown naturally fell into that category so you have films like "It" (amongst others) which take all the elements just mentioned into one horror film. So you have all these kids born in the 80s and 90s who: 1. Had parents who were panicking about stranger danger/pedophilia and 2. Were the perfect age to be babysat by the teenagers who were watching all these horror films/would let the kids watch these horror films/thought it was funny to scare the shit out of them.
All of those kids grew up and are now having/have kids, so the elements of this fear are really established in recent American history and culture and the development of a whole generation.
I'm entirely convinced that the initial news article that spawned the whole thing is a viral ad campaign for the remake of the movie It which is coming out next year. This all happened shortly after they released the first posters for it. They are re-establishing clowns as a horror element in the collective unconscious and teenagers around the country are acting as copy cats.
nightwolves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:25 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard 911 audio of a woman who had been chased up to her apartment by a clown. Lots of copy cats out there I think.
RNZack ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Clowns are the new trolls. I rather they be called internet clowns instead of Internet trolls.
largeqquality ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea what that means. Are you participating in the meme?
J4CKR4BB1TSL1MS ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 19:09:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, clown.
RNZack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he's a Jugalopium addict
kwall24 ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 20:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually did this, mad props. You got guts.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:07:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SuperFLEB ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:20:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Even if there is a wave of unemployed douchebags, who gives a shit? You put on your adult-size panties, realize that someone trying that hard to be creepy is more'n likely full of it, and get on with your life. Same amount of danger-- practically none-- with far less needlessly soiled underwear.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG I had the sweetest kid get 3 day in school suspension because the students were spreading this rumor that the clowns were going to be at school on Friday, and so he brought 2 steak knives and a paring knife to school in his backpack. Fortunately he didn't get sent to SOS.
starmiya_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my! What year level?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:42:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5th grade
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really startled a kid yesterday because he thought I was a killer clown...
aibaron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't think that maybe you were probably a kitten?
wehappy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school has a small elementary program. I went over there last week to take their class photos and it was all they'd talk about.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:42:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RecklessLitany ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:32:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you see a clown, you're being instructed to call the police? What the fuck is going on in this country?
saviorflavor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Fucking ruins the plans for my 30th birthday party.
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:03:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stupidly, college kids are in hysterics as well.
Noelwiz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:30:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes we are because that shit is scary and highly unlikely to be an actual threat
A_Mouse_In_Da_House ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is it scarier than on halloween? Or any random costume?
Noelwiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because of the theoretical threat of a knife at night. Clowns are nice, but some people dressing up as danger clowns makes them scary
snopro387 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because there's actually been several cases of clowns walking around with rifles or knives.
charm803 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:17:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a little girl tell me that the clowns were killing all the 2nd graders and she was scared because she was a second grader.
I had to tell her that a clown has not killed any kid and she did not believe me one bit.
DragonflyGrrl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn. I wonder what asshole put that in her head. Way to go, Uncle Jake.
charm803 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:16:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At first I thought it was her parents, they didn't speak English so I could see it as miscommunication. So I asked her parents.
They had no idea about any clown stuff, it turned out it was her 12 year old brother who was telling her clowns were killing second graders.
The more I thought about it, the more it made sense that her brother would tell her, a second grader, that clowns were specifically killing second graders.
Sounds like such a big brother thing to do.
DragonflyGrrl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I knew it had to be someone specifically telling her that.. Older sibling makes SO much more sense than an asshole adult. I'm actually relieved. Definitely a normal big-brother thing, heh.
tacticoolmachinist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably shouldn't meantion John Wayne Gacy then...
charm803 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In context, the kid was referring to the recent "clown" sightings.
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 18:20:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Thameus ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 18:47:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Time to teach them about violent femmes.
Max_Trollbot_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:17:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now kids, let me go on..........
SenorPantsbulge ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:01:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then they'll go to their parents scared saying, "It's gone, Daddy! Gone! The love has gone away!"
mmm-toast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Day...after day.
talk_like_a_pirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love turns grey like the skin on the nightmare
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:05:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you know that this will go down on your permanent record
Thameus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to teach my grandkids to write memos for their teachers to file in their "permanent records".
cluelesssquared ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best thing I've read today.
Frankie_Dankie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:18:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's when I hit them with..."You all are so brave when you're talking about fighting zombies in the Apocalypse."
999mal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did they tell the kids about the clowns? For my niece it was other students that kept talking about them and scaring the other kids.
songbird199 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:21:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of my kids are terrified of clowns too! The first night after it was on the news, none of the students could talk about anything else. Many of our families live in a single apartment complex, so word travels fast.
theonewhocucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word travels fast, but memes travel faster. Once it was on ifunny it's over
AnnieeeBanannie ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:43:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had three ten year olds ugly crying for about a half hour during math last week because of the clowns.
kaseyeeyo ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:05:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the real answer here, let's be real. Clowns make me miss "twenny one"
Sam_RP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twenny one twenny one twenny one
towehaal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And "What are those?"
Oogof ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:53:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Ted Cruz drop out already?
theonewhocucks ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zodiac killer didn't wear clown makeup
Neckbeard_The_Great ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:20:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know that? Unless...
Trevmiester ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:15:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did that when I was in school too. Unfortunately they were talking about the Insane Clown Posse.
zanderkerbal ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:37:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, Trump?
FuckModsInTheAss ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:22:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โ๐ouch
Magnumnumnum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao
egotisticalnoob ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I think Hillary looks A LOT more like a killer clown. Especially when she laughs. Her laugh makes me feel like I'm going to die.
crooked_clinton ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to see Kreepy Kaine is getting some attention.
Conkster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh my god the kids i teach are horrified of the clowns
sickburnersalve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I beleive that was the plan!
Stop talking about the two bug scary clowns, and start talking about the multitude of independent clowns.
Perversenurse69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Gacy 2016
luv2belis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have they gone off hydraulic presses?
alexamatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a cat?
pugofthewildfrontier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its the same in middle school.
TheHittman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From Outer Space?
copperwatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else think Killer Clowns are just a manifestation of Trump anxiety?
Digita1B0y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Six of one...
Chickengun98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clowns? I think I'm missing something...
Hazzman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Viral marketing the real evil.
YachtRock_SoSmooth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have 3 grade and middle schoo l kids and they come home daily talking about the clowns.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
hahaha. I am a Youth Worker in London, UK, and my young people won't stop talking about them either! They have reached the UK.
alienzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So they are talking about the two "leading" candidates!
BrownBirdDiaries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS!!! I am a full-time sub and working on my certification and EVERY SINGLE DAY with the stupid clowns.
Rurutabaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My co-worker was telling me about how her 7 year old son was terrified to go to school because some of the older kids were saying that clowns were going to come.
This shit is getting dumb.
ohchristworld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference?
Letty_Whiterock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenecer they do, just do the pennywise laugh from IT
WAHA. WAHA. WAHA. WAHA.
the_jak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in my day at least the killer clowns were from outer space. These lazy millennial killer clowns are just from another block or two over.
RedDawn73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha sooo true, it's all about the killer clowns now. But before that is was all about how terrible Trump is.
Khalano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And bottle flipping!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you guys talking about? I've heard nothing about this.
NeverGilded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still stuck with Harambee
lemsie17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just occurred to me that this entire generation of kids is going to grow up to have an intense fear of clowns.
amandaggogo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the elem. school I work at the principal made an announcement assuring the students there were no clowns in or around the school, and to stop talking about them because it scares some kids. Meanwhile, the sketch "park" across the street would be the perfect place for a clown to hang out. We've had to alert police before because of creeps at that park (it's across the street from the playground)
TRAINPASS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could still be talking about Donald and Hillary... hard to tell nowadays.
corylew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Asia we have nothing but "I have a pen... I have an apple..."
datmamathere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We live in a rural area, but close to MANY of these sightings and where the arrests have been made. Even though we never watch local news or anything our kids are terrified and don't want to play outside because all the kids at school talk about it constantly. It's getting ridiculous really. Two kids have gotten hit by cars jumping out in front of them dressed as clowns, too.
correcthorsestapler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least they're not the kind from outer space: http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0095444/
AKR44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're still talking about Trump, then.
fuzzeoly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you distinguish one killer clown from a different killer clown? No punchline, honest question.
Drew707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone laughs when I say this, but, I wouldn't at all be surprised that this clown thing is a guerrilla marketing campaign by a company tasked with promoting the It remake. They banked that it would become a meme and it has.
CouldBePerfectForYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That week I forbid any talk of clowns or anything that rhymed with clown....I threatend to take away recess.
Brave little girl asked what it meant for my grammar lesson....on Nouns and Pronouns...
She earned the whole group ten extra minutes of recess.
chuiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did they also say anything about Hillary? Or just Trump?
TheMadKing1028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So they do talk about trump!
Goatmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't watch the news very often. The only thing I hear about clowns is in reddit. What are they talking about?
Balotelli_Aguerooooo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is the question though...
missmollymormon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or started bottle flipping?! Anyone else??!!
mario610 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:43:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DESTROY US ALL!!
remfan477 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Hillary?
darkbreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From Outer Space? Very campy movie. Haven't seen it in a long time. Want to watch it right now.
jaytrade21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope their parents take them to the remake of IT. Should be fun for the family.
prestifidgetator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:25 on October 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Kentucky they're showing no fear of clowns. They're even putting up a statue of a well known local clown...
http://www.rcnky.com/articles/2016/09/12/artist-who-dressed-construction-worker-clown-be-commemorated-statue-covington
Hullu2000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:41:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm scared; your post has 911 upvotes.
yakbladder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:49:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just another term for politicians.
[deleted] ยท 11763 points ยท Posted at 16:12:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my 3rd graders enthusiastically yells trump sometimes for no reason. Usually one of the girls will yell back NO, HILLARY. I dont think they care all that much
[deleted] ยท 3324 points ยท Posted at 18:57:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Holt!
XGPfresh ยท 1070 points ยท Posted at 19:01:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
O'Doyle rules!
pauljohn408 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:49:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
O'Doyle I got a feeling your whooole family's going down... but fo now i gotsh to study
LegendSir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:42:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol was waiting for this one...
erosewater ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:15:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
San Dimas High School Football rules!
Rocky_Road_To_Dublin ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:38:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SO CRATES!
handyjohnny ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:30:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, Chuck Testa
Jstone39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
COOK! COOK! COOK! COOK!
Cabbageman16 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:05:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tunnel Snakes rule!
Stu_Pidasso ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:15:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://tunnelsnakes.com
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are the Tunnel Snakes.
Rumntrx ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:05:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The names Doyle... Doyle McPoyle.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok what is that a jar of?
CloakedCrusader ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tunnel Snakes rule!
northrupthebandgeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're the Tunnel Snakes!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We rule!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chuck Testa
DrAcula1431 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You go, Glen Coco.
Homunculistic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:25:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
San Dimas High School Football Rules!
micemank ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:38:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Steve Holt is a bastard. We don't even know who his father is. What else don't we know about Steve Holt?'
MrBojangoUnchained ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:17:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George Michael is a cool guy!
Spencaa95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I may have made a tiny huge mistake
dev1359 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:39:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would seriously vote Steve Holt for president over the two major party options
recipe_pirate ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:48:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I'd watch that debate. "Steve Holt!" Everyone proceeds to clap and cheer.
lewkiamurfarther ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:41:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โฐ(ยฐใ ยฐ)โฏPOP POP โฐ(ยฐใ ยฐ)โฏ
sumojoe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:27:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a politician from Iowa named Steve Holt. He's in our state house. His campaign office for one district was attached to a house I used to live in (back side was a house, front side was offices). Motherfucker always took up my parking spaces. Fuck Steve Holt.
Pinyaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an entrepreneur.
MrBojangoUnchained ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Holt is a bastard. He doesn't even know who his own father is. What else don't we know about Steve Holt?
J4CKR4BB1TSL1MS ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:06:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dad?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Son?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:10:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beatrice!
Iwaspromisedcookies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:00:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Damon
frossenkjerte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Damon; Matt Damon!
nnnnnnnnnnmnnnnnnnn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve Austin! And if you're blind, yes I am the wrestler
ace586 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Bostonian, I always yell "Brock Holt!" and throw my fists up when he comes to bat. I love it when someone actually gets it.
twaxana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
O'Doyle RULES!
smileywaters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
o doyle rules
ljshea1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leonard Bernstein!
maplecheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jellybean boom!
stealthysock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a town close to me a guy named Steve Holt recently ran for local office. I enthusiastically yelled "Steve Holt!" every time I passed one of his signs.
Teen_In_A_Suit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SCOTT! STERLING!
goldchainz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cameron Jerome!
tuxedoburrito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only appropriate response. :)
rogue780 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
\o/
buzzbros2002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
JEB!
maxamillisman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Four more years! Four more years!
TundieRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha my city actually just voted in a guy named Steve Holt as our new mayor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my life, there are very few things that will trigger a Pavlovian response in me, but if I hear somebody call out "STEVE HOLT!", my arms will automatically shoot up in the air.
One of these days, it's going to happen in a dangerous situation, and I'm going to lose my left arm to, like, a passing car or something. It'll be okay, though. I'll be all right.
wareena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Captain Raymond Holt!
Drumboardist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
\o/
TybotheRckstr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Son?
HARDC0RR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4 more years!
AdmiralAkbar1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
\o/
NarcissisticGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
\o/
dont-ban-me-please ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GRAB EM BY THAT PUSSY 2016!!!!
Andrew2294 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:33:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steve holt the English teacher at fdr?
Juno_Malone ยท 2481 points ยท Posted at 19:04:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised the debates haven't devolved to this yet. Each candidate just yelling their name, trying to be louder than the other.
[deleted] ยท 1465 points ยท Posted at 19:14:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Juno_Malone ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 19:20:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god if they added a small battery and speakers to standard yard signs...
SanguinePar ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 19:28:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delete this comment immediately, no one in the parties must see this!
Sublty_Dyslexic ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:46:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too late.
Sveitsilainen ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:32:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the LED. RGB yard signs!
cuboid10824 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:43:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Corsair plz
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:30:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's a
hackablereprogrammable LED panel that can berepurposedmade into something betterafterbefore the election, sign me up to get one!pease_pudding ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:32:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trumps wealth means he was giving out full resolution OLED panels for this.
With a minor mod, you can turn it into a fully functional 50 inch TV.
But it will always have a faint ghostly image of Trumps face on the screen, even when you are watching movies.
dr_sust ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not sure if i can deal with that, seens kinda like big brother
pease_pudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must have something to hide?
PaplooTheEwok ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:14:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you move to Korea, you can enjoy the onslaught of earsplitting campaign trucks!
BraveSirRobin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:55:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We get that in Britain as well, though they mostly drive around while yelling.
LittleLarry ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:46:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a dude sitting and yelling at the traffic today about "no more corruption - Trump for president - Hillary for prison." He was sitting on the sidewalk in front of an ivy league university with a lawn chair and big No More Corruption sign just exercising his inalienable rights.
Ksp136 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing those! Except I was in Korea during the time of Gangnam Style and an election....
real_fish ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:40:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DELETE THIS
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And electrified them so vandals couldn't take them down...
ChloroformMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit, please upvote so more people can see this.
drinkit_or_wearit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For real though, don't give them any god damned ideas.
copperwatt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:28:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they were for informed Halloween egging decisions?
ShallowBasketcase ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:18:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
One of my neighbors has a sign that says "The silent majority stands with Trump" which is hilarious to me because he's the only one with a sign and it is huge.
VikingTeddy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:59:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*yuuge
Plsdontreadthis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly his point. He's saying most of the people who don't have signs support Trump, and that he's not too scared to have a sign out.
ShallowBasketcase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a really convenient view to have when you're the only one with a sign.
Plsdontreadthis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, maybe more people should show support for their candidate. Prove him right, or wrong.
EatYourCheckers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:17:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see vastly more Trump signs than Hillary where I am at? Is that the norm or am I just in a Trump pocket.
danbroccoli ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:31:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Trump supporters are just more supportive of their candidate than Hillary's. My state is solidly blue in the presidential elections, and I still see far more Trump signs than Hillary.
kazga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:38:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary definitely has less outright supporters than Trump. A lot of people voting for her are actually voting anti-Trump.
gregorthebigmac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the correct answer. Not counting online interactions, I don't think a single person I know who's voting for Hillary actually likes her, or even wants her in office, but we're all agreed that we can't abide a Trump presidency, so we're holding our nose and voting for her.
sederts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:27 on December 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which state are you in?
mcm1994 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because suburban areas where they own their own property (and can put up signs) tend to vote Republican.
I live in a blue state and my county has far more Trump signs.
Plsdontreadthis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the suburbs of Cleveland, and there are Clinton signs everywhere. Drive a half an hour away from the city though, and there are Trump signs everywhere. The more rural the area, the more Trump signs, although that doesn't necessarily mean that that's where there are more Trump supporters, just that it is more socially acceptable.
Stealth528 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I can count on one hand the number of Hillary signs I've seen
alwaysagoodwin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a sort-of red state (Missouri) and have seen more Johnson signs than Trump ones. Oh, and a lot of Clinton ones. A good number of them also include the Senate and Governor candidates on the sign, I believe.
Vinlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
seriously.
lkjhgfdsamnbvcx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically what reddit is.
mainman879 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
lewkiamurfarther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the evening news, at this point.
saltytrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Today I saw a Trump/Pence ad on the back cover of my 72 year old Dad's NRA magazine, and I thought, "Wow, what a complete waste of money."
GypsyWriterChick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a swing state. My neighbors keep adding more and more signs to their yards. Across the street are Trump supporters. They started out with one sign. My next door neighbor put up a Clinton sign. A few days later, there were two Trump signs across the street. A few days after that, there were three Clinton signs next door. Then the Trump supporters answered and the Clintons after that... As of yesterday, when I got in from work, the Trump supporters have the upper hand, but we will see what tomorrow holds. The Republican and Democrat offices are less than five miles from where I live and both set of neighbors are retired, so they have time on their hands to do their sign war. I imagine by the election, both yards will be full!
Kaxxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get yard signs. I promise you seeing a sign with someone's name on it will not change my opinion.
dndtweek89 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:55:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
POP POP!
Billebill ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:42:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PBTBTBTBT!
Manning119 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:17:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Magnitude vs. Leonard, the presidential debate of the century.
DrBarrel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
POP POP!
cuddlefucker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:26:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a Pokรฉmon battle
beveneg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There it is, good. I knew I couldn't be the first person to think that.
SuperGlueNinja ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:31:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What debates have you been watching? That's all I've seen.
KaitoTheRamenBandit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:35:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/WcMWnNcOxg4
So this?
Prolemasses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beat me to it!
Kapalka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone had to link it :D
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:28:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of a podium or notes, each candidate is given several buckets of feces to hurl at his or her opponent. The front three rows all get splash guards like at Seaworld or a Gallagher show.
RazarTuk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
9/11!
fermbetterthanfire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hodor!
takethe2ndwego2war ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:32:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could have sworn that was all I heard in the last debate except it was Trump yelling Clinton and Clinton yelling Trump.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure the last "Debate" was just both of them trying to sell themselves as less of a scumbag than their opponent...
This whole election is 100% horse shit and a national embarrassment.
We_Are_Vigilant_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to stop watching because it reminded me of my 10 year old nephews whining and blaming each other for starting a fight. Each one saying what the other did wrong and that they should apologize.
SirRogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has a debate ever changed anyone's mind anyway?
kinkyaboutjewelry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what they look like to me. /a scared european
Kapadia1995 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pop pop
omni_whore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
while fighting to be in front of the camera
VillainousZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for 2020 we'll get there
ChinO0k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I declare BANKRUPTCY!!
njbair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Damon!
bholden99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hodor!!!!
Welsh_Pirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I think this would be a step up in maturity for the real debates.
Bartdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant.. https://youtu.be/kkr46ct45K0
Jarvizzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has, only they say the other candidate's name and try to put as much stank on it as possible.
Buck_Thorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wednesday.
Theresawaronyourmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idiocracy is upon us.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho!
thenameofmynextalbum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BOB DOLE!
dyboc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They haven't?
StoleThisFromYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CAMACHO!!
Grinagh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the movie election, its VERY apropos right now
koshgeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only that? I'm kind of surprised the debates haven't devolved to something like the "Gamesters of Triskelion", complete with choice of hand-to-hand weapons at the start and betting on the outcome.
"1000 quatloos on the candidate from New York!"
DrSoaryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basically an adult version of pokemon where the winner gets to control a major world power.
shwkshdosna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcMWnNcOxg4
35Fuckup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna lie, I'd watch that
theunnoanprojec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that one episode of family guy, where Lois was running for the school board or something (I forget), and at he debates she started out trying to be civil and keeeping to her points, but she eventually devolved to just mentioning 9/11 nonstop
chafe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
POP POP!!!
Pffffffttttttttttt
POP POP!
Pffffffffttttttttt
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Steve Carell and Stephen Colbert's debates on the Daily Show
FlamingJesusOnaStick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone should vote for the 3rd candidate to them shut them up. Wouldn't even see it coming.
TheNVOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So a kingsmoot?
rand486 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, we still have one debate left! There's still time.
Hillary: ...and that's why I'll be President after Nov 8th.
Trump: WRONG. WRONG. TRUMP.
Hillary: Actually, I believe I'm right. Hillary!
Trump: TRUMP. TRUMP.
Hillary: HILLARY!
Da_Lion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIMMY!!!
dockerhate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like the 'I am Simpson' couch gag from 10,000 years in the future.
theyellowpants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like a political version of the penis game!
Vimda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like shitty pokemon
hawkeye877 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like that episode of community where Leonard and Magnitude have a similar, mentally invigorating debate.
Elfingreene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no... Are they actually Pokรฉmon????
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you see, Hillary has more than half a brain and knows how not to fall for obvious bait. She's been dealing with condescending men shouting over her for her whole political career. You think some cheeto-tinted fascist is going to upset her?
Juno_Malone ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you're an undecided?
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100% undecided. Just like Ken "Trayvon's murder was justified" Bone.
GlassDelivery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump tried that on the first debate. Didn't go well.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:20:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY. Even Hillary has realised that no one is actually voting for her, they're voting against him. Read the transcript of her recent speeches, they're all Trump-centric.
SanguinePar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whereas Trump never mentions her? ;-)
miketeeeveee ยท 13194 points ยท Posted at 19:04:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sounds like my Facebook feed.
Obligatory edit: Thanks for the gold. You shouldn't have!!
FuckModsInTheAss ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 19:19:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the Internet.
GetAllBlobby ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 19:22:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like every election season.
Jeskels ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:26:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like your mom
SanguinePar ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 19:27:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Teen Spirit.
Oh, wait.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:33:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soundgarden?
mikeoffie ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:37:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds nothing like a garden
creaturecatzz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You joke but my old math teacher said her favourite activity was to go barefoot and listen to the wind in her garden
t3hnhoj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her r/Miyazaki is leaking .
Malthing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:32:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like trains.
Jeskels ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:35:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll run a train on you baby
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like turtles
McFlurryMac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"So kids! Which president do you want to win?"
"Trump!" "Hillary!"
"I like trains."
A train runs over both candidates, giving Obama a 3rd term as President
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like elementary school
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, if it was his mom it would sound like:
"Oh. Ohhhh. Ohh yeah! Just like that! Ohhhhhhh!!!!!!!"
MKSLAYER97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duck Season!
GetAllBlobby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wabbit season!
dankmernes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds!
breyacuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a plan, Stan.
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get on the boat, goat.
Zach_the_k1ller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I'm a mod on r/welcometothenhk can i get fucked in the ass?
UBROKEMYFRIDGE ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:23:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like reddit.
oarabbus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:34:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except they care a lot on your feed.
miketeeeveee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit are you right!!
buffoonery4U ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:35:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3rd graders yelling enthusiastically. Pretty much nails Facebook, period.
j0wc0 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old people yelling like 3rd graders.
Lying_idiot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:56:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sometimes directed at Third graders.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:21:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TRUMP
AcrasiaCirce ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 19:29:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NO, HILLARY
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:07:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't care all that much.
muyuu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Political discourse"
ArbGlarbFarbDarb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what it's come to... lol
kynect2hymn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't be more accurate.
elitegenoside ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just less intelligible
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like political "discussions" no matter the medium.
TheFrenchAreAssholes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment was more amusing without the edit.
miketeeeveee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll do better next time.
A_BOMB2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then a third person says that Sanders can still win.
Saltysweetcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even look on FB anymore, I can't take it.
RagerzRangerz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:37:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NO, Twitter.
SSDan007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like /politics, but it's hardly 50/50.
miketeeeveee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, to be honest, neither is my Facebook feed.
SSDan007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Facebook is trash as well, for too many reasons to list.
jdb12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IT'S NOT OBLIGATORY
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean every election in every country that has elections?
AhOkaywellthen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NEVER EDIT YOUR POST FOR GOLD IT IS WEAKNESS
miketeeeveee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn it. I feel like it's too late to change.
AhOkaywellthen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fine. Don't worry. And next time you won't :)
miketeeeveee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't!
shh_just_roll_withit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:11:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My old roommate does that. He isn't a Trump supporter. He just likes telling Trump things. He's 24.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:25:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little kids in the UK do that too, but that's because 'trump' is literally kid-slang for fart.
It comes from the verb "to trump", originally meaning "to produce a sound upon or as if upon a trumpet" or "to proclaim or announce with or as if with a fanfare". (source)
PerlenketteFurDich ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:19:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to 538 that's basically it.
shelcod ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of Kindergarten when all the boys (myself included) thought the Backstreet Boys were better then the Spice Girls (who all the girls like).
I couldn't even name a song by either group and now I'd rather soak my ears in acid then listen to the Backstreet Boys or Spice Girls.
SanguinePar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like double trouble.
hupacmoneybags ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:01:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine a 3rd grade boy with a flannel shirt, hipster mustache and eyebrow piercing yelling "Bernie!"
Stargatemaster ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a terrible stereotyping, and in very poor taste.
garmonboziamilkshake ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:19:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agree, 'flannel shirt' isn't really the trademark so much as tight jeans or something.
spidy_mds ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the typical boys vs. girls.
Vinlock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:58:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may just be boy vs girl to them lol.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:14:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's how it is for adults too.
G3RTY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sound like adults already
KawiNinjaZX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I don't understand why anyone would care what kids think about politicians, most of them believe in Santa Claus
PastaSlut420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a kid who constantly says Hillary is a jackass idiot.
_RandyRandleman_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they farted.
Always_Austin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally just them acting like parrots, screeching whatever their moronic parents are yelling at the TV.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gone are the days where it was simply a small chase, tag, or an attempt of lifting a girls skirt.
postExistence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wabbit Season!
Duck Season!
Wabbit Season!
Duck Season!
ShitbirdMcDickbird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in 5th grade during the bush/gore race, most of us supported bush, because gore had a scary last name and bushes are harmless.
We didn't actually care about politics.
Solar-Salor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RON PAUUUUL
Caramel_Vortex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait you mean to tell me that your 3rd grader yells out Trump's name on a daily basis?
Passes out
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like basic news coverage
thisisultimate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Also a 3rd grade teacher, and my students loved to randomly start shouting at each other about the election, clearly just parroting their parents views, but in classic 3rd grade black and white, simplified views.
"Trump is terrible!"
"NO! Hillary is the bad guy!"
"NO YOU'RE WRONG! THAT'S TRUMP!!!!"
"Hillary Clinton is against America!"
"Trump wants to build a wall and KILL EVERYBODY!!!"
And on and on.
There is now a strict "No one is allowed to share their opinion on the candidates during class time or else" Rule in my class. For my own sanity.
PeachPy53 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That little girl's my hero! Must be a little proto-feminist!
I_Brittad_It ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a student last year (fourth grade) who liked to call things out for no reason. "Donald Trump!" "Bernie Sanders!" "Colonel Sanders!"
SirSureSire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty much how the election looks to non-Americans.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly sounds like 99% of Americans
pinkwine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach sophomores in high school, and they do the exact same thing.
CentrifugalChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of the mouths of babes... spews their parents' crap.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably egging her on on purpose, crushing or something.
dbronegra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's focus on the election that matters. Paul Ryan 2020!
GildoFotzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:38:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and theres a third one who yells HARAMBEEE for no reason.
KingKrisspyKream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeb Bush!
BuzzWeedle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If there's one thing I've learned in Kindergarten, it's that Trump is for boys and Hillary is for girls.
TheShadowKick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that one weird kid in the back of the room try to tell people about Gary Johnson?
JackHarrison1010 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are your third graders called Fox and MSNBC?
filthridden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:39:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the general voting population to me!
Wraith_GraveSpell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:56:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Election in a nutshell
G8kpr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is going to make Elemntary School great again.
[deleted] ยท 12241 points ยท Posted at 16:54:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a kid say that Hillary was evil and a member of the Suicide Squad. I asked if he meant Harley and he insisted that Hillary was too.
starite ยท 11806 points ยท Posted at 18:27:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harlary Quinnton 2016
NethChild ยท 8305 points ยท Posted at 18:59:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That just looks like you're trying to say Hillary Clinton with a stereotypical Asian accent. Or maybe I'm just an Asian reading it and that's how I read.
J4CKR4BB1TSL1MS ยท 3931 points ยท Posted at 19:08:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you don't know whether you're Asian.
NethChild ยท 1320 points ยท Posted at 19:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been on the internet for too long. It's conditioned me in weird ways. I've been accused of being British, French, and Canadian. No one believes me when I say I'm Asian. And realistically I think I'm a white American.
roeravid ยท 587 points ยท Posted at 20:20:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cauc-asian! You are the chosen one
unicorn_poop69 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 23:01:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She can definitely get this cauc.
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
BlazinGinger ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:37:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a little cauc-asian
haydos1320 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/nocontext
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:32:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
ShadowWolf58 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:52:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
??? You sure about that?
Heyyoguy123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:48:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cock-Asian.
Wang_Dong ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:58:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the original cock-Asian
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:54:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Cauc... cauc-asian. Well they got that wrong, because you're obviously white..."
Vendetta1990 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:13:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wingardium leviosaahhhhhhh
iflythewafflecopter ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:35:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least he's not a cuck-Asian.
#NOBRAKES
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wew lad
myturbanhasafirstnam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:58:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unlike asian Avocado farmers...
Those are Guac-Asians
_Wisely_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:58:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hehe, cock-asian
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:05:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Asian too but I imagine myself as white person when on the internet. o.o
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What sort of things do you do on the internet that would be typically white?
Just, uh... checking if I'm doing it right.
Quantum_Ibis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:31:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/8INIH0JfNA8?t=22
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:35:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a hilary clinton or the hilary clinton because that woman looks nothing like the one in the 2016 debate vs trump.
NoPantsMcGhee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:42:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The last few years have not been kind to her.
RockSta-holic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:13:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'd vote for whoever that is over Hillary Clinton. Less senile.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 50s are a pretty hardcore time for aging for almost everyone.
born2b_blue ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:11:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly you're a child of Asian immigrants in one of those countries. But the Internet doesn't believe in nuances like that.
sour_cereal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:52:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo, Canadian?
roflocalypselol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I'm with you there. Twinkie through and through.
Asiansensationz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have too much trouble telling others on the internet that I'm Asian for some reason.
I will let you know when I find out.
spacemannspliff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could be a dog
spankymuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think, realistically, you're confused.
EatYourCheckers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I now wonder hat Aziz Ansari thinks of himself as...
Dubalubawubwub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Statistically, we're all white Americans.
songbolt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vote Rick Tyler! Make America White Again! ... even if you're not actually white, whatever being white even means.
(Was amazingly cringe-worthy seeing his opening speech at a town hall. He builds up to a crescendo to the phrase "People like us..." and then pauses, appears to have a mental moment of "oh **** I'm about to say something really racist" and then pivots to "... who understand the Constitution!")
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:50:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel any better, an Australian politician barely said something not identical to "let's make Australia white again!"
So it's not just you guys.
TheOGRaider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Lets make Australia for prisoners again!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little known fact: by modern standards most of the convicts taken to Australia were slaves.
A big reason for England's overpopulated prisons was because of some hardcore class warfare, leading to mass imprisonment of the lower classes.
Some of those 'convicts' were under 20 and had been caught stealing food one too many times.
But yeah that politician can eat all of the dicks. Stupid cunt.
KingxCo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cracks on my cell phone made me think your user name was "MethChild"
pegleghippie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, go ahead and identify as Asian, if that's what you feel
Z3ppelinDude93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When did you realize you were a 35 year old white man named Harrison?
penea2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my mother calls my generation of asians bananas.
yellow on the outside and white on the inside
fullcloakghosthunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White American here. He's been to the meetings and checks out.
Heyyoguy123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're biologically an Asian while having the mindset of a Caucasian.
LordoftheSynth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you're pretty confused. Have you considered the idea that you might actually be an attack helicopter?
Landown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The easiest way to know for sure is to look down.
CrazyPurpleBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Mulaney?
wait_whaaat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think everyone just pretty much assumes everyone on Reddit is a white American (and male)
capitancalzones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 35 year old white man
Mandalorianfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guy I work with calls himself a banana. White on the inside yellow on the outside.
italianshark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's okay, I identify as an attack helicopter
iam420friendly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:46:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd better check that privilege!
SunsetRoute1970 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:53:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're just a NORMAL AMERICAN who isn't obsessed with race. What are all these ultra-entitled people going to do to excuse their poor behavior once race is no longer a lever to use against the world?
iamthegraham ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:57:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hey man, you can't just ask someone why they don't know if they're Asian.
amanitus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He needs to look in the mirror. If he can barely see himself, then he's Asian.
THOUGHT_BOMB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the rare benefits of being colorblind!
Hominid77777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they live in the Urals? :p
Swampfoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could be a secret asian man?
Incognito_Informant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you like that?
Barvoucher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been a closet Asian for a while.
im_av_jt94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I Asian You Asian We Asian
SuperFLEB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'm turning Japanese?
Opjin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just choked on my water
Level_32_Mage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was some way to check the math on that...
yolo-yoshi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guys I think he might be "turning Japanese "
Mandalorianfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reference my response to the comment above:
My daughter thinks she's Japanese... she was born in Arizona. We are white, but you cannot convince her she is not Japanese.
mere_iguana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is debataburo.
SpiceNut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're all asian on this blessed day
TheCamelTojo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a b on a test. Youll fond out quickly
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your inner voice has an Asian accent... That's not fair.
The-Great-Jebus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm cracking the fuck up
offended_by_default ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Triggered
Natanael_L ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
413612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm laughing hysterically because that's EXACTLY how my grandmother pronounces her name.
ignamv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It actually sounds like the people in the Black Lodge
crystalistwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read it in the voices of Kodos and Kang.
NetTrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like how Kim Jong Un would have pronounced it in Team America
Mandalorianfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had to post this: my four year old yesterday in the backseat of the car said
"mom that man said Hillary Quinton is a liar... that's bad!" (The fact that he was name calling was bad)
But the fact that your comment said stereotypical Asian accent... we live in Tokyo and she has developed a little of an accent from going to school since she was two with Japanese kids and teachers.
NethChild ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:11:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, classic egg. Opposite of the twinkie/banana. White on the outside, yellow on the inside. She has a bright and confusing future ahead of her!
Mandalorianfist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao that's awesome! I'm using that when she gets older. Or I can just call her egg like In Arrested Development. Hell I already call my other daughter bean "Elle bean".
coral_tokerbell ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG dying, this was too perfect of a description
inmost_innate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:47:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ํ๋ด๋ฆฌ ํธํด
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like that you find racism in things that aren't, god dammit I didn't want soy sauce on my burger you American Dogs!
kajar9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:00:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your racism is cute =)
The_Ogler ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chliggrrd
SconnieLite ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:42:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be Hirrary Quinnton
talkingbox ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 18:49:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would be a great Halloween costume
InQuizADoor ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:46:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A red and black ladies pantsuit and Hilarys hairstyle but dyed pink and blue. Love it.
kjata ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget to refer to Mistah B on occasion.
just_some_moron ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:57:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the honey ham slices dangling from them undies
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:02:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I came a little
Refractory_Alchemy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://mobile.twitter.com/BrokenCountry1/status/591132856916676608 It exists
cdsackett ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:52:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
u/awildsketchappeared
soaliar ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not him, he will just burn the drawing.
_Wisely_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/shittywatercolour
NaughtyMallard ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:13:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joker for President 2020!
https://i.redd.it/qf2hpmhl9krx.jpg
mikedirrty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Trump?
The_Great_Kal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean that wasn't his campaign poster?
Yuzumi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:36:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like he'd be better than Trump. At least he would have an actual plan for fucking us over.
SmokinPolecat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Your face with her"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed harder than I should have
koryface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean...this is just genius.
Skluff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Halloween costume of 2016
Merfstick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's great because it actually sounds like an elementary schooler's words.
k2t-17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would be a nice outreach to millennials and play to her super-villain base.
elralpho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My god. I know what I'm gonna be for Halloween!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a sick Halloween costume, not gonna lie.
AGM86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im with Her!
ak47rocks1337yt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except...less attractive
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me raff rong time.
intoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where is shittywatercolour?
portrait_fusion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there we go, i like this one
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't trust her. Do we really want The Joker setting sights on the White House? ..... Well if it's Ledo's it shouldn't be too bad, actually.
BearcatChemist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:18:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised this doesn't have gold yet, it's perfect.
Hobbes_Novakoff ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:23:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda cute.
funkmasta_kazper ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:17:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's kid said he likes Hilary because he heard on the radio that she had a 'fun laser.' which is honestly way cooler than a fundraiser.
thekyledavid ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it bad that I kind of want to see a Suicide Squad sequel with Hillary Clinton playing Harley Quinn?
s629c ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 18:44:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Hillary is wearing the same harley outfit in your mind, then yes, bad.
thekyledavid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:47:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She could go with Old-School Harley where her whole body is covered.
InsaneJukain ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:03:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still hella creepy.
thekyledavid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It still has potential to be one of those "So bad that it's good" movies.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With Spandex.
thekyledavid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good enough
DantePD ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:44:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just you. I now wanna see Hillary cosplaying Harley
conquer69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NO.
aviddivad ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:45:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could actually see that
like Amanda Waller
babayak ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:21:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of when my brother confused Ozzy Osborne with Lee Harvey Oswald.
Weave77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Checks out.
TheLawlessMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:37:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It actually makes me pretty damn happy that even though DC comics has toned down Harley (a muderer) to try to make her a little girl thing ($$) that kids still understand she is a very bad person. Awesome
Ramshel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is too cute!
accidentalchainsaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All my friends are demos, don't you know
Coming2amiddle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for them to ask you who you show
Simim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amanda Waller, sure
thegr8rambino13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's right about the evil part ๐
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:10:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Trump is a "Joker".๐
TropicanaPeaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids say the darndest things
versavices ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is Hilaryous
hippo625 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then, who's Joker?
Malaix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remebers of of when I was a kid with star wars figures. For some stupid reason I thought Jawa was pronounced Jew. So my grandmother walks in and i was screaming about stormtroopers killing my Jews as I mashed a star wars stormtrooper into a plastic jawa. She was a little horrified.
Kids get a little mixed up with words sometimes...
Namoor3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's hillaryous!
NorseZymurgist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:39 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's not?
askmeaboutmysciatica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sure this wasn't a fully grown Trump voter?
ronm4c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a photoshop mashup of that.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omg. That's a thick joke. Likely spawned from a joke about her suiciding people in the back of the head, barbell decapitation, or train tracking opponents.
dinnabeh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe him
unclesteveo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's not wrong.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:09:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His parents are likely uneducated republicans.
dev4115 ยท 3504 points ยท Posted at 17:25:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5th grade teacher here, in a red state. I work in a school that is 95% Hispanic. I hear a lot of "Trump hates Mexicans" or "If Trump wins they will kick my parents out of the country" as for Hillary, many students hate her also and one student has referred to her as the devil. A few students have informed me that no matter who wins, the world will end and we will all die.
Assdolf_Shitler ยท 2142 points ยท Posted at 20:19:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean...they're not wrong
intentsman ยท 577 points ยท Posted at 20:41:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The world probably won't end during our lifetimes, but most of us will die during our lifetime - right at the very end
NeuronalMassErection ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:13:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What!? How do you know when I'm going to die, are you psychic?
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:48:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bags not being the one that dies. YESSSSSS. I win.
PMMEHOTHALLOWEENPICS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:57:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great. Now you've ruined the ending for me. I might as well and stop living now.
MrBojangoUnchained ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When someone spoils a show
therapy_didnt_work ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/KenM
Noelwiz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The world won't end in our life times, but a few seconds later as we all die
AtomicSamuraiCyborg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:03:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apocalyptic beliefs become really silly when you look at the history of them, and the thousands of predicted apocalypses that have come and gone, and the millions who believed that certainly, the world would end in their lifetime.
People are so self important. SURELY the world must end during MY lifetime!
Dubanx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I refuse to die. Even if it's the last thing I do!
Blazingshot147 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... Most? I don't think anyone here is a shark, lobster, or a non scandalous celebrity.
Happy-nobody ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:47:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your math checks out
Anarch33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So some of us won't die?
intentsman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not until the very last moment of your lifetime
Aoae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard of Henrietta Lacks?
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So...what's the minority on the flip side?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:22:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Transhumanists.
MaxNanasy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:57:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How will they survive the universe's entropy death?
MrBojangoUnchained ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:18:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'll just make more universe.
SunsetRoute1970 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:57:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it will be fabulous, believe me.
PointyOintment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Question
The_Flaming_Taco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers man
Rummy9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big, if true.
benster82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what happens to the few that don't?
the_honest_liar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's deep man.
BloodFartTheQueefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most
erasethenoise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I hope I'm not around to witness either
sgtcolostomy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler tags, please..
Beegrene ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:13:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to Gary Johnson the sun will swallow the earth in a billion years, so I guess those kids have a point.
illiteratidomine ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 23:58:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's his most accurate foreign policy claim.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And according to conspiracy websites we are at DEFCON 3 and Russia is going to nuke us.
Guaymaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... short billion or long billion?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Americans only use the short billion
Guaymaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would I know if OP was American...
Anyway it was a joke...
top_koala ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:22:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the president is able to eradicate Chinese hoaxes, nuclear weapons, artifical intelligence, the fourth Death Star, etc., it's bound to happen eventually.
silverdevilboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You made me sad as I realise there will inevitably be yet another massive superweapon in episode 8 or 9. I just hold out hope that it is piloted by Binks.
Lying_idiot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:37:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, due to the bitching they are bringing back ALL the EU stuff, starting with the Sun Crusher.
Fear the Dark Side of the EU.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Massive Superweapons piloted by Binks: A New Hope
silverdevilboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:30:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst porn movie title this century. Good job sir.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or /r/bandnames
WhatisMangina ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:13:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like the movie slogan for Alien Vs Predator, written by 5 year olds haha.
ramblingnonsense ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:26:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Supposedly there's a myth among street kids in Florida that Jesus was already born, but Mary thought mankind too evil to save so she killed him at birth. So now there will be no salvation and we're all damned, which is why life sucks so much for street kids.
CentrifugalChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually.
simianpunishment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, to be fair one candidate will bring on an economic dystopian nightmare and the other will bring on the zombie apocalypse
D_Man10579 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure a LOT of people think that. It's just a matter of who will give us more time to build a kickass bunker....
ccclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically
PartyPoison98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5th graders already got a firm grasp on Nihilism...
excobra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think this is good time to post clip from Annie Hall. The Universe is expanding https://youtu.be/5U1-OmAICpU
flaviuscrispus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apathy is the real winner here.
petertmcqueeny ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 22:34:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So pretty much the same things adults are saying
meeeehhhhhhh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:51:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad taught at Sunday school and really likes Obama. He literally got into an argument before with a little kid who said his mom told him Obama was an anti-Christ and purposely spread Ebola. My mom just stood in the back and told him to stop.
LargeTeethHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sound like I'll be like your dad in the future. I'm always sucked up into arguments....they can be very logical with a 49 year old or very stupid and with a 6 year old...I'll be passionate with whoever I'm arguing with. It's my downfall sometimes. I like your dad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
children convey the opinions of their parents
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:40:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sure you didn't just read /r/politics?
dev4115 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:56:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only... I actually feel sad for some of my students who are legitimately stressed about the outcome of the election. Others are just parroting what they hear at home. Either way, I am so ready for this election cycle to be done with so I can stop brushing off the, "Miss, what do you think of Donald Trump question?"
mjmannella ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the anti-trump place?
quacktarwolverine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:11:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real life is the anti trump place my friend
mjmannella ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:20:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
quacktarwolverine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:56:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Reddit the place where he groped all those women? I'm really behind on the news I guess
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but Reddit's the place where it's being inflated.
Evan_Th ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:23:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fifth graders for Johnson/Stein/McMullin, horray!
Bob9999999999999 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:43:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At first you think Hillary is a devil
But after time has worn away the shock
You come to realize
You've seen her kind of eyes
Watching you from underneath a rock
MLKane ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:27:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly they're both lizard people from outer space, that's why Hillary is the better choice, she merely wants to rule us as our flesh eating overlord atop a pyramid of human skulls, The Donald is trying to summon his lost planet Nibiru from the dark side of the sun so he can merge it with Earth and bring about the Lizard Rapture, why do you think he's building all those towers?
He doesn't even try to hide it, he stamps the name of his dark god all over them! Trump!
killingtimeatwork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would read this book.
popler1586 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced she's a comic book style super villain
dopef123 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:20:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean kids under high school age are probably just going to regurgitate what their parents' say around the house. So that makes sense.
XxsquirrelxX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds about right.
waffleninja ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both are true statements. Makes you realize getting obsessed over who is going to win the election is small potatoes.
caroja ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:51:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IDK what the percentages in our elementary school is but the % of Hispanic students in our high school is well over half. Maybe 10-15% of HS students are from the rightest right wing conservative families and they are the only ones who DO NOT think the world will end no matter who wins. They are Trump all the way and have the nasty threats to prove themselves worthy of the title. Sexual assault has also risen 300% since January 2016. Very small town school district. Scary and very disturbing.
Urgranma ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 22:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trying to imply that sexual assault has gone up because of people supporting Trump?
caroja ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:20:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but IDK, to be honest I think it's more about the polarizing political atmosphere. The "anything goes" campaigning from all sides. I can't explain why sexual assault has risen so drastically. Physical assaults have also risen. In this micocosm of Americana, this election seems to be causing a lot of underlying issues to surface in a negative and destructive way.
mattythegee ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:58:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're reaching with that assumption
GodOfAllAtheists ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:21:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe he's retarded.
TurnPunchKick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is Def going to be violence on election day when Hillary wind
-Reddit_Account- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:02:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Be sure to purchase the popcorn beforehand as during the election we have a scheduled anarchy and the rising of the American Proletariat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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caroja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm only speaking for our little corner of the country.
A_favorite_rug ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:57:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well...you got to start grabbing them by the pussy someday.
hwarming ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make America grope again!
EndlessEnds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, to be a kid again...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โฆcheckin in from Florida
boxparade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed. Welcome to end times, kiddies.
babadivad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart students
The_Derpologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cheerful little buggers, arent they
bargle0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should be so lucky. Instead we'll get to watch our children suffer.
BCweallmakemistakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I would get along very well with your class. Need a TA? I'm free on Tuesdays
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Simply pick the lesser evil.
_Nicktheinfamous_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow your kids are smart. When you think about it, we really are fucked regardless of who wins this election, which is why I'm not voting. They all deserve cookies.
Okayokayitsme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you tell them we didn't start the fire, and that it's always been burning since the world's been turning?
northrupthebandgeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump wins, his first action as Commander in Chief will be to launch every last American nuke at Russia and China, thus bringing about a nuclear retaliation that destroys us all in atomic fire. The prophesy is fulfilled.
If Hillary wins, her first action as Commander in Chief will be to try to stop the incoming barrage of preemptive nuclear strikes by imposing half-hearted diplomatic sanctions on the ICBMs themselves. Unsurprisingly, the ICBMs disregard said sanctions, thus destroying us all in atomic fire. The prophesy is fulfilled.
AKR44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have some smart kids. I mean, we ARE all fucked, one way or another.
Jimmbeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
smart kids
Rockstar81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter has said that she doesn't want Trump to win because her friends parents say that if he wins her friends and their families will have to move back to Mexico.
mewm172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids are convinced our neighbors, who are Chinese, and are here legally, will be deported. It's a hard thing to explain to a seven year old.
needs_a_nap_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Red county, blue state, 98% Latino school population.
I work with high schoolers, and the general consensus is that all white people are racist and Trump is evil. Several students have tried to convince me that Bernie Sanders is still in the race.
Teemoshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart kids figuring that out at such a young age.
azbraumeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit has informed me that no matter who wins, the world will end and we will all die.
FTFY
KnockoutCarousal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate this shit. Leave kids out of it. When I was in third grade during the Bush/Clinton campaign in 92 I remember politics coming up from time to time. Third fucking grade! One day this little girl just started bawling. "Bush has to win, daddy said so!"
When pressed about it she revealed that it if Clinton won then her daddy would lose his job, they would be in poverty, and they'd have to live in a trailer park and just HOPE to get by. Seriously, wtf?
First of all, when Clinton was elected none of that shit EVER happened. Secondly, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU PUT AN EIGHT YEAR OLD THROUGH THAT SHIT? It's a terrible abuse. Small children don't have the reasoning capabilities to understand hyperbole.
GiantDuarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can just say Texas.
Hrsmith89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Children are smarter than we think they are.
Treczoks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems to be they got it right on the first try. Those kids would have a great future in a prospering country - if it wasn't for the election.
npenn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On this note, when I was in second grade, the third graders thought it would be hilarious to tell us that if Bush won, he would close all the candy stores, but if Al Gore won, he would kill all the baby animals. We decided we wanted Bush to win because we could live without candy to save the baby animals.
Zippermann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I'm assuming by red state, you actually meant reddit.
TheSalmon25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assume those are the children of the Johnson supporters.
GhostBeefSandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother, God bless her, is seriously concerned she'll be deported if Trump wins because her mother is technically an illegal immigrant.
My mother is white, Irish, and sixty years old.
SWaspMale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna guess those few are the more 'evangelical'.
biggmamakass02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids are accepting the fact that they may have to participate in the Hunger Games if Trump becomes president.
rbowman180 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... So Texas?
zuppaiaia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to google red state/blue state. It's the exact opposite of my country. I live in a "red region". Once it was all commies here.
Wolfie_Ecstasy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basically what most people think.
AngElSkyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real shit tho.
I honestly fear that the results of this election are going to be the catalyst for WWIII
mjmannella ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump wins, it might be NA + Russia vs. China
If Hilary wins, it might be NA vs. Middle East
Sysiphuslove ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart kids
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"One student has referred to her as the devil" also not wrong...
maxs77 ยท 17310 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Clinton or Trump, but I witnessed a group of children between the ages of 5 and 8 play "Marco Rubio" instead of "Marco Polo".
[deleted] ยท 10316 points ยท Posted at 18:04:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3586 points ยท Posted at 18:32:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Guessimagirl ยท 1463 points ยท Posted at 18:53:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sweats profusely
[deleted] ยท 844 points ยท Posted at 19:35:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dabs forehead
Tactical_Tacos ยท 523 points ยท Posted at 21:20:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dabs to gain youth approval
thenotoriousbtb ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 22:03:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Hillary!
2muchcontext ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 00:08:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
POKEMON GO TO THE POLLS!!
Metalsnow100 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:26:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/fellowkids
kilroy1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:08:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just chillin' in Cedar Rapids!
MrBojangoUnchained ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#Chillary
NunyaBidnit ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:09:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dabs half a gram.
I_scream_ur_comments ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:07:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dies
cogenix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:06:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
bottle lands upright
omgsiriuslyzombi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
takes massive dab to get hella turnt, bruh
varypatakis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Reddit.
bheinks ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:00:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mom's spaghetti
Fourtothewind ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:55:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's spaghetti already
ImpartialDerivatives ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:09:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He opens his mouth, but the spaghetti won't come out
ThisIsATalkingPotato ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:29:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's spaghetti, how
KennyWithTheCamera ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:39:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Marco!"
bluestarchasm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"polio!"
neon_cabbage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Spaghettio!"
KennyWithTheCamera ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:39:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Marco!"
Ithinkiplaygames ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/EmboldenTheE?
ImpartialDerivatives ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
indeed
Ithinkiplaygames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
ImpartialDerivatives ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ithinkiplaygames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFMS
ImpartialDerivatives ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're getting it
Digital_Rocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
222l ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:22:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
fumbles xanax into mouth
AwesomeAutumns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TheHangedKing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dabs
Bananadanadana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eats weird white thing on lip
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:23:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
get outta here cruz ya nasty
XxsquirrelxX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the Zodiac Killer?
spoonybard326 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
loses superbowl
LocomotiveEngineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pat for optimal effect
philopsilopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"And let us dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he is doing."
brenrob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dabs
pats5lyfe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wildly begins dabbing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dabbing intensifies
vervloer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ew
Oh okay
TheBestBarista ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dabs
dancingbanana123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"MARCO!"
CommanderXao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Readjusts cuff to cover zodiac tattoo (imagine it's italics I'm on mobile)
gar-dena ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:59:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
loses primarily
uncleawesome ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:04:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vows not to run for reelection, runs for reelection.
tuxedoburrito ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:23:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
drinks more water profusely
Reignbow97 ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 19:23:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maintains eye contact with the camera
ameya2693 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:49:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
brings dick out whilst maintaining eye contact to establish dominance
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~DANGER!~
GobekliTapas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:47:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eyes the throne thirstily
MackLuster77 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gives new meaning to "fish out of water."
FleshAndBone420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:19:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sip...sip sipslurp shluurp
colonelbyson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:58:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice username.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Help me! I need water!
WolfgodApocalypse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/1q6OpWW_dw0?t=29
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Humbabwe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thirstily is officially my new favorite word.
TheLethargicMarathon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:05:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thirstยทily หTHษrstilฤ/ adjective
feeling a need to drink something bigly. "the hikers were hot and sexy, which gave them a big league need to thirstily drink each others urine"
Volundarkvioa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Drowns from swallowing too much pool water
Knyfe-Wrench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fish out of water!
derstherower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITS RUBIO!
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He will never fucking live that down.
Da_King_N_Da_Norf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thirst intensifies
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So thirsty he needs a swimming pool full of water
SirRogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maintains intense eye contact
SeanTheTranslator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username kinda checks out.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:49:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That meme outlived his candidacy. It'll probably outlive his career.
tuigger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it. He may never be president, but he's got a long, bright conservative future ahead of him.
He's like Paul Ryan, a Republican golden boy.
[deleted] ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:48:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
[removed]
8qDNVdUonwJ2nwjPk ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:02:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There he is! The 25-second memorized hiding spot"
Cinemaphreak ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:05:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am the most sad about Rubio imploding in the primary because I never got tired of that meme. Ah, the classics....
Thirty_Seventh ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:24:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/UnexpectedRubio
send_me_pineapples ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 18:40:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sexually identify as Marco Rubio. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of dispelling with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. People say to me that a person being Marco Rubio is impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm dispelling with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. I'm having a surgeon install the ability to dispel with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what's doing, and the ability to know exactly what he's doing. From now on I want you guys to call me "President" and respect my right to dispel with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. If you can't accept me you're trying to change this country and need to check your Chris Christie privilege. Thank you for being so understanding that I'm dispelling with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing.
sparkly_butthole ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:10:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a little like reading things on /r/oldpeoplefacebook
YouCallThatAUsername ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:10:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood Rubio's comment... Was there ever an idea that Obama wasn't acting purposefully or wasnt' aware of his actions? Is it actually an "attack" to say that the president knows what he's doing? ...so many questions...
Namika ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:11:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree with his logic, but Marco's context was talking about job losses and the decline of US power and respect on the global stage.
Marco was insinuating that Obama was purposefully working to make America weak and was working some master plan to sabotage and destroy America like some genius Bond villain.
mkstar93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There it is!
currentlylurking-brb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedrubio
camdoodlebop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:47:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did we ever find out why he said the same line 5 times in one debate???
accountnumberseven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing to find out, Christie said it right there, Rubio's weak and relies on prewritten lines and arguments. Disrupt his predicted debate script and you can force him to default to prior programming.
Ba_ben10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your name Carlo?
joesatmoes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Rubio!"
Alonistheone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How isn't this exploding yet?
Motrinman22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, oh man, did he want that line to catch on.
TheSubtleSaiyan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HAahahaha! Well played
imsorryisuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this looks like a dialog from family guy.
AdmiralAkbar1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right.
griffindor11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedrubio
CANTFINDCAPSLOCK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let us dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he is doing.
Imperium_Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My God, the androids are spreading!
Ihatevry1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:23 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"hillary clin-ton"
threezerofoursix ยท 1157 points ยท Posted at 18:10:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who is blind and when he's trying to gauge where people are in a room he'll say "Marco" and we'll take turns saying "Polo." You know the drill. We changed that to "Marco Rubio" too.
sjselby95 ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 21:09:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To tell you the truth, that's a really awesome idea.
aljoburke ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:23:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a pretty awesome thing to do anyways! I'm just imagining a blind person in t knowing where anyone he knows is in a mall and just yelling "MARCO" ajd everyone telling back "POLO"
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:16:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Twilord_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say that enough and it starts to sound like a compliment.
V1russ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever someone yells "Marco!" I always tell back "Wahlberg!"
Kaxxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do this in a shopping mall. Please.
ThisOldHatte ยท 385 points ยท Posted at 18:20:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its nice to see someone make something up to cheer up Marco Rubio.
bradorsomething ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:35:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can this cheer him up, it makes it sound like nobody knows where he is.
[deleted] ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 18:38:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Not-Giving-You-Gold ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:09:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me, I hope Jeb is doing alright.
ItookAnumber4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeb's hard at work as Red Bull's new spokesman.
ThisOldHatte ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:46:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It also makes it sound like people are looking for him.
SailedBasilisk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's nothing. You should hear what they did for Rick Santorum.
WhichWayzUp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Marco Rubio sad?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like you could be Jeb!'s mum.
Grim-Sleeper ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 18:53:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 6 year old son told me that he would not vote for Trump. I explained to him that he is too young to vote, but he replied that he wasn't too young "not to vote".
The next day, he told me if he could vote, he'd vote for "Harry Clinton". I think, he was hoping that the next president attends Hogwarts.
pk666 ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 20:36:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't argue with that logic.
Bongopalms ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:38:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kind of hoping so too. Maybe in 2020?
MagFrag5891 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:36:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
"Zodiac!"
"Killer!"
edit: god damn it, Ted Cruz is the alleged Zodiac Killer.
OriDoodle ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:37:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong candidate
Secretly_psycho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed harder than i should have. Good job
reallifelucas ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:43:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I'm 16 and my friends and I play "Marco Rubio"
juliusseizure ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could have played in the pool but Marco Rubio drank the pool
skeletonhands ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:40:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brothers and I used to play Slobodan Milosevic. I don't think we had any real idea who he was, just that he was a bad man and we liked the way the name sounded.
kevin_zavala21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a friend say this on Twitter a couple of months ago... wonder if it's you ๐ถ
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the only way anyone can find him these days, he's so small. Even his hands have managed to shrink.
RobotConquest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're lawyers!
Benlemonade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I FOUND A ROBOT, QUICK, QUICK, GRAB PITCHFORKS. A ROBOT IS ALTERING THEIR ONLINE PERSONA TO BE MORE LIKE A HUMAN.
Benlemonade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friends do this to see who gets the joint second
maxs77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see I'm not the only one who does this
RafeHaab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically, he is not blond.
Espe0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's dispel with this notion
PM_ME_YOUR_OMG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG
bitwise97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His campaign must have planted that in the kid's minds back when he was still a promising candidate. /conspiracy
canadiancarlin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun game. Basically you just keep repeating the same line over and over while keeping a safe but comfortable distance from the douche in the middle.
BASIC-Mufasa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to play Marco Scootero every time I went to a Jays game.
Rainful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a knee slapper
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My buddies and I determine passing order by doing
"FDR!"
"Polio!"
VagCookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom and I used to play Marco Polo in stores when we got separated. Now she shouts back Rubio instead of Polo. She thinks it's hilarious. Other people think it's funny that a 25 year old and a 55 year old are playing Marco Polo in a Target.
fuck-dat-shit-up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fish out of water, aka drinking from the water fountain
dot-pixis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see what this thread has to do with the starting point guard for the Minnesota Timberwolves
Wolf97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work at a summer camp, saw the same thing
AjaxAffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment wins!
my-stereo-heart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a similar vein, I heard a bunch of kids born talking about 9/11 in the context of it being a meme, kind of in the way that made it obvious they didn't really understand what 9/11 was outside of its context on the internet. I actually heard a child born in 2006 say the words "steel fuel can't melt steel beams"
Neil_Anblomi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they're still little
NarcoPaulo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. Very interesting
TheWiredWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/thathappened
alfredhelix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the cheat for unlocking the map in Age of Empires: Tyranny of Trump.
krejenald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better they were playing that than 'Donald Trump", it's similar but with sexual assault
ArthurChin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not Clinton or Trump? Aww maan
XxsquirrelxX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only issue with that game is nobody would shout "Rubio", because nobody would show up.
tranquil21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
heavencondemned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like something Georgie from Shin Chan would say.
LikeTheRussian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First comment I've ever laughed-out-loud to.
Thanks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because he sits in the same size chairs as they do.
cma001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucking hilarious wow
TheRainbowNoob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Florida, there's an ad that goes like that. There's two kids in the pool playing Marco Polo and the kid who says "polo" gets out and the kid saying "Marco" is saying Marco over and over again then they go on about how Marco Rubio has he worst attendance record and crap
MenionIsCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a pool, and 2 summers ago, multiple groups of kids would play Marco YOLO instead. I lost faith in humanity for awhile there.
Drusiph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They probably watch SNL
trevonlharris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same here,
HIPSTER_SLOTH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Believe me, I saw college-aged students playing this at the Gaylord Hotel pool at CPAC 2016
pottsas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We say "Jose" and "Cuervo".
zeitgeistOfDoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to get all political, but here's a funny campaign ad for his opponent based on that premise https://youtu.be/NLWxdw6LQ8o
stopandsmellthefear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister used to slide down the hill in the front yard on her toboggan and call it a Sally Ride.
prettyflamazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You know what they say about guys with small hands!"
spdrstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite part about Marco Rubio, was that he sold "Marco Polos" for his campaign.
tacojohn48 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indoctrinate them while their young. Brilliant.
-Cow_Tipper- ยท 6365 points ยท Posted at 16:54:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3rd grader on Trump: Dad says we're not allowed to talk about that.
[deleted] ยท 2146 points ยท Posted at 19:11:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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GraysonHunt ยท 961 points ยท Posted at 19:33:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My dad taught us that there are two things you never talk about in conversation: politics and religion.
Edit: I should clarify my wording. What I meant was that my dad taught me that, in polite conversation, politics and religion should be avoided as subject matter due to most people holding strong opinions as to which view is correct. This wasn't my dad having a house rule that politics and religion were not to be discussed; it was just him teaching us how to avoid derailing a conversation. Sorry for the confusion.
[deleted] ยท 843 points ยท Posted at 19:50:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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weedagree ยท 493 points ยท Posted at 19:56:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad is going to be pissed if he sees what your are talking about. You should probably delete your comment
jdpn24 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:32:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's gonna beat him with jumper cables.
VelvetHorse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:54:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fuck did that guy go?
MrBojangoUnchained ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably shocked to death
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Garbage Day!
voxov ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:58:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be. After talking about it with his son, he realized his mistake, and took his own life to set a good example.
Remaining_Nameless ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since he warned him twice.
yetistolemypickle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh im pretty damn pissed
tbass2a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then your comment wouldn't make any sense.
quasipopo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our daddy told us not to be ashamed of our politics
tbonemcmotherfuck ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:43:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is their a politically and religiously motivated fight club?
cathoolewdahgr8juan ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 20:48:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Westborro baptist church
g-g-g-g-ghost ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:00:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Westburro Baptist Church
tbonemcmotherfuck ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:01:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WestDonkey Baptist Church seems fitting
g-g-g-g-ghost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does
weightroom711 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:24:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Westburrito Baptist Church
Natanael_L ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:58:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they could read, they'd hate you for spelling it wrong
tbonemcmotherfuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Touchรฉ
protozoan_addyarmor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
isis
SuperFLEB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much the natural conclusion to talking politics and religion in mixed company, isn't it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You broke the first rule.
SuperFLEB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if you're just talking about Shaft, well, he can dig it.
portrait_fusion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't fucking talk about fight club.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You want to fight about it?
portrait_fusion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes, so long as we dont talk about it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SuperFLEB ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:36:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Careful. That's also a great way to catch the crazy idea that your political opposites are also made of people as well.
StaticChocolate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And money/income
mario_fusco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad always taught us there are four thing you never talk about:
politics, religion, fight club and reddit
VampireSurgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For us it was politics, religion, and money.
sushi_cw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine taught me that among topics we avoid are politics, religion, fight club, and near fanatical devotion to the Pope! Um, I'll come in again.
def_not_a_reposter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You broke rule #2!
Limitedby20Letters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the great pumkin
ADHDman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Sex and Money
DatDominican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How's your mom Marla?
blue2779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The third thing is money. Learned that one in bartending school.
NewLeafMaybeSpruce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the first rule, why won't you pay attention?
BritishBrownie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My fight club always taught us there are three things you never talk about: politics, religion, and out absent fathers
RiverlandKnucklehead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Add UseNet to that list.
TheOGRaider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!!!
EIfinlocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politics, religion, and The Great Pumpkin*
flubberFuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Dude....what are you talking about?
Edit: just a joke woah
fishnbrewis ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 19:51:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad taught me that I didn't have to pull my pants and underwear all the way down to my ankles to pee.
NotSolTurk ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:57:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
my dad died
fishnbrewis ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:11:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:(
Dr_Splitwigginton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's back now, it's cool.
KalickR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went to the corner store for cigarettes.
Came back 15 minutes later and had a smoke.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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cheerl231 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted because you made me laugh
xdeenx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was sad. So I upvoted.
CrashXXL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's just a really long line at 7-11 for cigarettes.
NotSolTurk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what i keep telling myself.
bliffay ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:20:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all heroes wear capes.
JinxsLover ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some hold doors. Hodor 2016
tbonemcmotherfuck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He should've told you before high school.
SpaceDog777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Dad taught me that the reasons hills have gaps between them is because rock eaters ate the rock between them.
We_Are_Vigilant_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't have gaps it would just be stacks of hills. A mountain?
RagerzRangerz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you see all the other kids at the urinal with their trousers still up?
fishnbrewis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was 3 or 4. Well before I had encountered a urinal in the wild on my own.
dpkonofa ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:08:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why both those topics continue to be the shitposts of real life...
thekatzpajamas92 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 20:16:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an attitude I've never understood. Especially in democracy, discussion of politics is essential to being an informed and conscientious voter. I suppose it comes from the concept of democracy being the engine for balancing self interest, but that hasn't really been working out too great for us - especially considering how fucking easy gerrymandering is for members of congress. As an addendum, the concepts that are central to our democracies and social contracts were determined by political discussion.
Same kinda goes for religion - if the point of being religious is to be righteous and good (rather than purely to respect tradition) I don't see how discussion could do anything but help
RaccoonInAPartyDress ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 20:58:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The saying isn't about society in general, it's about topics you shouldn't be discussing casually among acquaintances if you're trying to be polite.
I'll debate politics with my friends, but not people I don't know well, because I've found that's a surefire way to bring a light conversation to a grinding halt. Not everybody shares the same political bent as I do, and I'm not always in the mood to have someone get all shouty with me.
thekatzpajamas92 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:08:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it becomes a rule at all times for a lot of people, but you're right generally I think.
RaccoonInAPartyDress ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:26:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with your assessment, lots of people seem to take it as "NEVER talk about these things EVER at all, in general", when it's more like "Don't talk about your political stance on gay marriage at a dinner party with your boss and their spouse". There's always going to be SOMETHING you clash on, even if they're minor differences, but do you really want to take the chance at THAT specific time to find out?
EmeraldIbis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Basically, the majority of people never learned how to have a civilized discussion with someone about something they disagree on. As a result, it's dangerous to begin the conversation because the other person might react badly. Therefore there are few opportunities for people to learn how to debate properly. The cycle continues.
We need to teach high school kids how to a) politely disagree with somebody, and b) effectively counter an argument without attacking the individual presenting it.
(Somebody saying "agree to disagree?" is just as annoying to me to somebody saying "fuck you!". If you're going to vote I don't want to agree to disagree, I want to show you why your argument is baseless and nonsensical. Politely of course.)
SuperFLEB ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:46:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a certain point, you can hit ideological bedrock and have to agree to disagree on fundamental interpretations, values, or hypotheses.
That said, I can see your frustration in other cases. It's usually right in the meat of the heat of the discussion. I suspect it's that we both relish a bit of war of the ideas to flex the muscles or bang up a bit of our misconceptions, while others find it to be a chore they're wholly uninterested in.
heyalliey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:13:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Momma always told us the Three Things to Never Discuss were politics, religion, and a woman's weight. You'll offend someone 100% of the time.
RedDK42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'd say for at least two of those three just represent immaturity and making it a rule of thumb is just enabling deeper party divisions. Difficult to understand policies/viewpoints when you people are apparently incapable of respectfully debating them and even more difficult to become able to respectfully debate them when you take it as a rule of thumb to not talk about them. Turning a blind-eye to a problem is usually not a good approach to finding a solution.
Of course, you still should probably try and read the situation/bring such matters up intelligently. But again, that's difficult to learn how to do if it's taken as a rule of thumb to not.
milesunderground ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politics, religion, and the Great Pumpkin.
Shion__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish we had this house rule
HoundDogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This seems to be worse in The US as those two things. I've lived overseas and they can still be wedge issues but they don't exactly have the ability to stop a dinner party in their tracks like they can in the US.
SuperFLEB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it has to do with the two-party system. It does make it so lots of people have to take bad ideas with their chosen party, so there's plenty to get riled about on both sides.
ElagabalusRex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad lets you talk about the Great Pumpkin?
orioles0615 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and the Great Pumpkin
Ballersock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are three things you don't talk about in polite company: politics, religion, and economics (which can kinda be lumped into politics, but it's a bit different.) If you avoid those 3 topics, you can generally get along with most people as casual acquaintances.
thunderblood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is exactly why there's been so little intellectual progress in both of those arenas (at least in the US).
TheMindsEIyIe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are people supposed to be engaged and know what's going on in the world if we ban casual conversation about two of the most important subjects? I mean, I love math and science but when you are talking to people for a long time, tit for tat conversations of "oh, did you see that one study? No? Yeah it turns out..." get old.
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In some Alternate reality, it is mandatory to discuss politics in religion every night.
deathputt4birdie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
mrepik9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the Great Pumpkin
reso25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone on here once said never talk about R.A.P.E, religion, abortion, politics, and economics... and rape.
It's tough to avoid when they're all intertwined in this election cycle
b19pen15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sports is usually included in that list.
VampireSurgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom always told me there were three things you never talk about in polite conversation: Politics, money, and religion.
YourDadsNewGF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have the same rule. Not that we don't talk politics or religion as a family, but I've taught my 8 year old that those are two topics we don't discuss in polite conversation. Recently I was driving my eight year old and his friend somewhere and I heard the friend ask from the backseat "Do you like Trump or Hillary?" My eight year old promptly responded "We don't talk politics or religion in polite conversation." I smiled.
owa00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty much the same as the 3 golden rules of work. You don't talk about politics. You don't talk about religion. You don't talk about money. Can't go wrong following those in public either.
ChillGuyFawkes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something I've recently picked up working at a party store with Trump and Hillary themed masks right out front; don't mention them unless the customer brings it up themselves, and try and stay as neutral as possible.
I don't want to be the first person to get yelled at because someone got offended, especially since I'm not voting for either of them.
jhise016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politics, religion, and relationships for me
davejlong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are three things you should never talk about publicly: Religion, Politics and The Great Pumpkin
skilliard7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those were the only two topics my speech professor banned- partisan politics and indoctrinating religion
paulsackk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my family we were told not to talk about 5 things, easily remembered by the acronym RAPE:
Religion
Abortion
Politics
Economics
And to bring it all together, RAPE
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been to the South?!
danwroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad is a bit of a basic bitch isn't he
Recursive_Descent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But those are my favorite topics! I don't even really care your opinion, I want to hear you defense though.
I'm weird I guess, but I love a good debate so I will argue against your position on politics/religion if engaged (even if i agree). It gives real insight into how people think.
Titaniumcat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And my dad did political and religious debate as if it were a favorite sport. Still does.
brokencig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same as my dad. We hang out often and sometimes religion or politics just pop up in conversations naturally. He's always the one to change the subject or tell us all to shut up and drink.
shadowalien13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. No matter what your opinion is - someone's going to disagree with you.
utspg1980 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad taught us there are two things you never do in a conversation: tell others everything you know.
meowtiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:43:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good, light social topics: FORD
family, occupation, recreation, dreams
bad, heavy social topics: RAPE
religion, abortion, politics, economy
MrKamranzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad is awesome
Pidgeapodge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are three things you never talk about: religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin.
Militant_Monk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was how my wife was raised too. My family on the other hand went by the motto: "If you really want to know someone just ask them about religion or politics." Those two topics are pretty much default dining conversation when there were guests over.
Wallabills ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:44:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dislike this teaching. We need to be able to have intellectual discussions about these hot button issues. Being able to have discourse that is informed and calm helps us to learn about others and to be able to tollerate new ideals that aren't in line with our own. Thinking we need to repress aspects of ourselves in order to remain socially acceptable hinders our growth as a society and species. Our foundation in our political and religious views are deeply held convictions, which makes it easy to understand the desire to not discuss them: it's uncomfortable and usually leads to personal attacks. Having more open communication about these things allows us to learn how to better express our ideals and allows for intelligent discussion to arise because we don't feel immediately placed on the defensive when a counter point arises. We've heard other's beliefs and can better understand how to calmly talk about what we believe. This doesn't mean strike up a deep conversation everytime you walk into ta room, but be more open to discuss when others do. Be able to stay calm and simply share ourselves with others. Maybe even becoming able to know why we have those beliefs and how they are reflected in our daily lives as well as the root of those beliefs from our past. We can't move forward as a society until we can be able to talk about these deeply held convictions without feeling attacked. We all need to be more open about who we are and why we have these beliefs, because hiding who you are in order to stay calm just causes the inevitable discussions about things that we don't feel comfortable with becoming arguments where neither party can appeal to any aspect of the other and hatred grows. These discussions shouldn't end friendships or cause a grand divide in our society. They should help us to understand multiple views and make informed decisions when we vote or practice our faith. Religion makes people feel whole, and because of that all beliefs that someone holds about their faith should be treated with respect, and we don't do that if we subconsciously hold onto the belief that out own faith is so exclusive from someone else's. The fact that we are different should give us comfort when we don't fit in some times. Everyone just wants to be happy, so the things that they believe are things that make them happy; that help them cope with reality. Beliefs are how we perceive the world. Other views might just help us to learn how to truly be accepting of others. It may finally help to end the attricities around the world because no one holds hatred for others and no one sees themselves as separate from another group. The only thing that truly separates us from one another is our convictions that we base on how we have interacted with the world and how the world continues to change around us. Its how we make sense of this chaotic world.
deathputt4birdie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually the adage is meant for casual acquaintances/strangers. So everyone can be at ease. It does seem that we're losing the middle ground tho.
Wallabills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! We've become uneasy to just talk about anything with other people it seems. We carry the weight of our world's on our shoulders and don't always know how to just casually talk sometimes.
tbonemcmotherfuck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:42:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He taught you that because all politicians and all religions suck.
tim1e223 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 19:55:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't politics be discussed and even challenged? That's the only way to find out if your beliefs are right or wrong. The US might be the only first world country where talking about politics and sex is taboo.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 20:22:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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percussaresurgo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:53:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Opinions on the best course of action are one thing, but the underlying facts aren't, and in this election particularly, many of the underlying facts are simply wrong, and a big reason so many people still believe them is that they never interact with people they disagree with.
Reddit_beard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:51:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interaction isn't going to solve anything. People look at scientists, experts in their field, and call them liars because they don't like what is being said. Facts matter so little the so many American voters.
percussaresurgo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:56:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because there's no social cost to being ignorant, and that is enabled by our unwillingness to discuss certain topics. Many people see no real need to be informed about topics they know are unlikely to be brought up.
Reddit_beard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be nice, but that isn't the case. These topics are brought up. However, people prefer echo chambers. That's just psychology.
percussaresurgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And our aversion to discussing those topics helps maintain those echo chambers.
This is getting a bit circular.
Reddit_beard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of people with no aversion to discussing politics. People don't enjoy having their beliefs challenged. That is why they listen to talk radio that reinforces their held beliefs, watch tv that reinforces held beliefs, and talk to people that reinforce held beliefs. The aversion comes from people being well aware that polite political discourse in this country is a fucking myth, and that neither party are going to have their views changed as a result of any conversation so theres really no point. It is contentious, and contention is often avoided in public/social settings. It isn't circular, you're confusing causation and correlation.
percussaresurgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That certainly wasn't always the case. There was a time when people of opposing viewpoints could have a civil conversation and come away from it respecting each other, even if their views weren't substantially changed.
I suppose it's a bit of a chicken-or-egg situation, since we permit echo chambers to exists, but we permit them because we don't think we can do anything about them. I just happen to disagree with the latter assumption.
Reddit_beard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck engaging a near majority of the country that has decided to double down on anti-intellectualism and uses "science" and "liberal" as dirty words (ignoring entirely that one of those words is the only reason this nation exists)
percussaresurgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a result of about a decade of living in an information silo.
tim1e223 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those people are immature and doing a disservice to themselves and their country
Celestetc ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:08:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talking about sex isn't that taboo. Maybe with a random stranger but with friends it's pretty common to talk about.
RecklessBacon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/weAopdKILLw
MeepMorper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on the context of these comments, he probably means talking about sex in school, or with parents.
Celestetc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh yea makes sense.
JackBond1234 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:10:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe in the appropriate venue, but we can't be disrupting our day to day activities with vitriol about what idiotic politicians are doing.
Merfstick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idiotic politicians that write policy that affects not only us at home, but billions of people across the world. Yeah, fuck talking about any of that shit.
JackBond1234 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to be cordially interacting with my cashier and have them suddenly bombard me with "TRUMP IS SEXIST, YOU MUST VOTE HILLARY FOR THE SAKE OF THE COUNTRY". I'm not going to debate them there with a line behind me, so it's not worth bringing up to begin with. I also don't want to hear it in entertainment media where opinions flow in one direction and become more of a propaganda tool than a healthy open discussion.
On the other hand, I'm fine with going to a "discussion board" like reddit to "discuss" politics. There's a time and place for political discussion, but sometimes we need to stay on topic.
tim1e223 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have to and should never include vitriol.
JackBond1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it wouldn't if the election of one person didn't affect the freedoms of 300 million people. But our politicians have extreme views and vast reaching authority. A vote for a harmful politician is an attack on our own livelihoods.
suparokr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right.. best not to talk about it then.
JackBond1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to invite vitriol into your daily life, go ahead and spout politics at people.
suparokr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I just think people should be more willing to discuss alternative points of view.
That being said, I understand that the majority of us in the US wouldn't be able to do this because we're typically very close-minded (due to our poor level of education).
JackBond1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That, and the state of politics where one person has a grip on everyone's livelihoods, that lends itself to becoming a heated topic.
deathputt4birdie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually the adage is meant for casual acquaintances/strangers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody in this country can simply disagree with someone's point of view without getting all emotional about it. That's why we keep our opinions to ourselves. I'll prove it to you by saying black lives matter is just a bunch of people who want to cause trouble and beat the shit out of white people.. Watch how many downvotes I get for this comment because every liberal is about to shit their pants
tim1e223 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:29:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We shouldn't just give up. Having grown up conversations is important
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Politics means "having to do with the public" if I remember correctly.
weightroom711 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would like it to be that way but a lot of people take it personally. Also they're only interested in the bad parts and the presidents, which does not leave us coming away enlightened.
tim1e223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well we shouldn't just give up. We should learn and teach others how to have grown up conversations
PM_ME_A_GOOD_RECIPE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's less "don't talk about it at all ever" and more "don't talk about it with people you don't know that well in situations that don't call for it". Talking about politics with your group of friends or in a civics class at school or online in a thread about the next election wouldn't be taboo, but starting up a discussion about it with a stranger in the checkout line or with someone you just met would be. With sex it's the same way--okay to talk about with friends or with whoever you're dating or even with strangers in a thread that is about sex, but not something you're going to talk about with the cashier at Walmart.
A lot of it has to due with just not wanting to create conflict or get into an argument, the rest has to do with not wanting to appear to be 'nosy' or 'rude'.
AnonymousMaleZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We really just need to agree to disagree on things in general. There is nothing wrong with discussion. Otherwise you end up living in an echo chamber and that breeds inaccurate information and stupid people.
DeeJayGeezus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck finding someone willing to actually admit they are wrong about something like politics.
frostburner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about where you're from, but politics in America is a thing where if you have a different opinion than those you're around, you shut the fuck up.
digitaldeadstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theoretically it should be. But unfortunately we have a lot of people who are very deep entrenched in their party being the correct party and everyone else is an idiot. You literally have people who will say something is absolutely untrue and horrible if the opposing side says it, but if their side says the same thing it's suddenly absolutely true. These people don't want logical debate. They don't want to be civil in regards to their political beliefs. They hear what they want to hear and block out anything else.
LolaBunBun ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 19:30:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad too. Religion and politics weren't really discussed around us kids. He's a Christian Republican. I'm an atheist Democrat. He mad. Lol
TheWildTangler ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:49:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds exactly why he wants to keep it private. Christian republicans aren't exactly the most loved individuals where I live
LolaBunBun ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:56:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! I grew up in southern MS. Try again.
TheWildTangler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:08:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rip, sorry to hear that bud
LolaBunBun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:15:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. Luckily, I got out at 12 but we just moved to all the other super conservative religious states. My education sucked.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more likely he wanted to keep it private because he knew he would lose the argument every time.
LolaBunBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't argue with them about anything. They are my parents and I love and respect them even though we may disagree. Having differing opinions doesn't have to interfere with or end an otherwise loving relationship. They might be upset but they have never loved me any less, we all just agree to continue to never talk about those subjects with each other.
AnnoyedAsp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether you agree or disagree.
JonesBee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:13:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How did he find out if you don't talk about it? My dad found out about me being atheist on some relative's confirmation day. He said "hey son, communion" like I didn't hear it myself. I just looked at him, slowly shook my head and he replied with a single nod and he knew. We've never talked about it since. Finnish non-verbal communication.
LolaBunBun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've never been in the closet about it. God was exactly like Santa for me. When I was 5 my older brother told me about Santa and when I thought about it I took it as if one old dude spying on me for good behavior was fake then they both were. A nice story (I'd only heard the heavily edited and happy Sunday school versions of the Bible) but just stories. Parents wrote everything I ever did off as "just a phase" until I was an adult and it was too late to try and change my mind.
Edit: as kids our opinions or thoughts on things were never asked for nor wanted so it wasn't really discussed until my late teens. It was then written off as "a phase" and I was dismissed.
My_massive_dingaling ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my parents are christians democrats and I'm an atheist right winger, I'm confused :(
LolaBunBun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao! Now that would make for an interesting Thanksgiving/holiday dinner.
My_massive_dingaling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it makes for an interesting life I still live with them!
Apkoha ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why would he be mad? You expect your kids to be idiots and do dumb things... now if you're over 40.. I could see why he'd be mad.
Skreamie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:44:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My history teacher always taught us that men should not discuss their Women, Politics or Religion, if they wish to remain friends.
commander_cranberry ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:52:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or find some friends that are mature enough to handle you disagreeing with them.
percussaresurgo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strange since for most people, those topics are hugely influential in our lives. I would have a very hard time thinking someone knows me if they didn't have any idea about my relationships or my opinions on politics and religion.
Skreamie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh of course and I love nothing more to discuss those subjects but I understand the saying all the same.
jayrandez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some friendship that is...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's such an immature ideology.
Skreamie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:20:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dated, if you ask me. He was most certainly a man set in his ways.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. If you refuse to talk about politics, you're just refusing to become engaged in your country. There's no other way to spin it. It's the same as if someone tries to tell you your vote doesn't matter. It's just sheer unwillingness to contribute. Not talking about your personal woman or religion? Fine. But refusing to talk politics as a lifestyle decision? It's just sad.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like your dad would really like China
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why so much of our country is politically illiterate. We're taught to never talk about it, so we never think about it either and we just assume whatever opinion we hold is the best one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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everred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet here you are
ToastySpring219 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was taught that talking politics is OK, but having to have an opinion you must know what you're talking about.
blackviking147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school and parents did that, it's odd for me to hear everyone saying who their voting for.
Beaudism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That seems so backwards to me. It should be an open forum.
Beaudism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That seems so backwards to me. It should be an open forum.
Arickettsf16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad is a smart man
Traveledfarwestward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit sad that Americans don't talk to each other about things that matter. It's like no one can handle hearing opposing viewpoints now.
-DisobedientAvocado- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politics, religion, and aliens. You don't talk about those unless you want arguments.
OhioMegi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I tell my class. I got a huge email from the district that we are not to talk politics, etc in the classroom. So I just say politics are personal and that you should do research to pick the person who you agree with the most. Then we move on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also a good way of keeping your child sheltered from opposing views.
JustinGitelmanMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda but kinda not. That's sorta a defense mechanism to keep yourself closed minded by not allowing dissenting opinions to give you new perspective or facts.
But in general it's good etiquette to keep it to yourself unless you know you're in the company of open minded intellectual people who will all benefit each other and be courteous.
ckuwiy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've made more friends talking about politics than I've lost. I'm pretty extreme too, I think it's all in the sense of humor.
runawayblackman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously talking about politics and religion are two things I will never ever let myself seriously do. Because of this, no one knows if I'm religious, and no one knows my political alignments. The most conversation I ever have about these kinda things are jokes at best.
It just ruins how people think of you, no matter who they are and no matter who you are. It freakin sucks.
aradil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Just like finances and when people touched you in your naughty place.
This isn't a comment on whether I believe those things should be talked about. It's just the top three answers on family feud to "Things adults tell children not to talk about".
somewhat_social ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And don't talk about how much money you make.
reluctantpotatoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Political opinions and religion are like penises. You've got one and that's fine. But don't whip it out in public and wave it around or try to shove it down my throat.
Gabe_Athouse07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"White People and politics"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZHrSK0l3dY
ManWhoSmokes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how the rich keep us repressed
VladmirShootin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Johnny cashes' the one on the right taught me that
juliaaguliaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And never combine with alcohol
bodmodman333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why we have hillary and trump for candidates
RimmyDownunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For us it was never to talk politics, religion and sport. Especially AFL teams.
datbooty12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our Daddies taught us not to be ashamed of our dicks
mypandareadit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why
JHG722 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to the Apple Store with my dad to buy something and when he was paying, the guy asked him what he thought about the debate. I thought it was pretty weird to ask someone you don't know political related questions.
TheBeardedMarxist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what people say about politics and religion when they can't support their arguments.
EonBlueAegis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And workers shouldn't discuss their wages, right? No, I reject that notion wholeheartedly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they're not though, your dad is wrong
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:47:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no
lovesavestheday82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 1988, my dad gave me a lecture in the car about why we keep our votes to ourselves after I proudly announced to the entire polling place "My daddy is voting for Michael Dukakis!" In retrospect, this may have had less to do with privacy and more to do with embarrassment over voting for Dukakis.
Powellwx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you have your dad come tell my FaceBook feed that?
SlutRapunzel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine too. Glad he did. Some shit isn't going to change no matter how much you talk to or yell at another person about your opinion.
608_esaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought money was in there too, as in discussing how much you make.
darksphoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what my grandfather says? GET BACK TO WORK!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my parents didn't teach me this but i learned it by not liking arguments
listentohim ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what my dad taught me?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, so you don't have to say it
listentohim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say he taught me nothing, but okay!
bitwise97 ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 18:45:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dictator Dad shutting down his son's First Ammendment rights.
king_of_da_burgerz ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Politics shouldn't be talked about with kids anyways because then they'll do nothing but reflect their parents' views instead of having their own.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:45:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not?
richhomiesean97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:20:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean why not? Would you want them to grow up and become a politician? I can imagine that a parent wouldn't need someone asking their kids what they think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...what?
JackBond1234 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So that by the time they get to vote, they're just as uneducated as they ever were?
lewkiamurfarther ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:47:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it's a solid plan as long as they still get to talk about government, particularly including elections, parties (in abstract), media (again, in abstract), and the history of regulations relevant to those topics. Human rights and the environment should be involved, but you'll have trouble keeping that away from politics. Ditto economics, taxes, and the history of the corporation. Psychology would be a great addition, but the child's understanding might depend on their age (but I still don't think it would be a bad thing).
The most responsible thing to do is to try very hard to keep them separate.
IMO:
The adult-child conversation about politics is similar to the conversation about religion. If the "adult" has a preference/faith, then the picture is likely to produce a skewed impression (depending on the strength of the preference).
The adult-child conversation about government is similar to the conversation about... philosophy, and (to a lesser extent) science. It's very broad, technical, and while it may be extremely precise, it provides almost no final answers. And, oh yeah, no one ever has this conversation, even though they should.
Edit: TL;DR? Yes, it's hopeless.
JackBond1234 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you raise your child to be intelligent and thoughtful, then providing your logic as it pertains to politics won't "brainwash" them. They'll have the reasoning skills to decide if the logic aligns with their values and agree with it or not. My parents taught me that way, and I made my own decisions and now have a slightly different flavor of political logic and values than they have. On the other hand, I'm just a stupid kid, so they probably have more experience to influence their values.
The only "brainwashing" comes from stupid parents raising stupid children who can't think critically, but instead treat politics like a popularity contest. And that can't be prevented.
lewkiamurfarther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, you may think that, but it's simply not the case for most people's children. And how are most people going to know whether their child has been "raised to be intelligent and thoughtful"? And what do you do to account for predispositions?
IMO you haven't thought this out very carefully. How can a person know whether they're simply passing on their own "brainwashing" (your word)?
Unfortunately, I see no evidence that this has been measured (and it's an incredibly imprecise statement to begin with), and no evidence that this is the only way "brainwashing" can occur.
None of this takes account of anything by degrees, either. That's a huge problem. All people are susceptible to deceit. The question isn't whether it can be done, it's how much does it take.
JackBond1234 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is anyone going to know if their child will turn out upstanding? Nobody does. Intelligence and thoughtfulness are good goals to shoot for, though.
Maybe the child won't think it through and will just accept what they hear because "parents are always right" (which is such a pervasive sentiment in youth culture), but that doesn't mean it's okay to hide information from them. If they are going to come up with their own ideas, they should be aware of what's being said about the issues. Hiding anything will prevent them from making an informed decision. Part of raising an intelligent and thoughtful person is not presenting your logic as unquestionable fact. That's a step towards not brainwashing your children.
It's been measured that critical thinking leads to better decision making. Not only has it been measured, it's kind of common sense.
Thus the need to teach people how to step back and evaluate data. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be provided with data.
lewkiamurfarther ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're mistaken in believing you understand this situation. And I know enough about the state of the art in several of the related fields to say that you're mistaken regarding how much we can say for certain on the imprecise, implicit questions you're trying to answer.
Oh well, some people can't be convinced of the limitations of their knowledge.
grkpgn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's stupid, why not?
Th30r14n ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:25:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smartest parent alive
What_TheFuck_Is_That ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 18:41:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dad must work for CNN.
shabutie84 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must not watch CNN much cause that's all they talk about.
TenaciousTravesty ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:32:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Once upon a time it was ebola, and now they jump back and forth between Trump and police shootings.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How dare they report about awful things happening in this country? Who do they think they are? CNN?
TenaciousTravesty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ebola didn't really happen in the U.S., not all police shootings are bad, and their constant reporting on Trump only kept him in the spotlight, giving him more supporters.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Police murdering unarmed civilians is always bad. Period.
TenaciousTravesty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're military police, police are technically civilians.
You know, I'm not sure if I should bother arguing with you. Given your username (don't get me wrong, I don't like Trump either) and obvious animosity towards law enforcement, I don't think you'll budge on the issue.
My point of view, though, is that these situations aren't always black and white. In fact, they usually aren't. The fact that you say a cop can't discharge his firearm into an unarmed person ever is a bold statement. Like, if the person is wanted on multiple assault charges, you're a highway patrolman in the middle of bumfuck North Dakota with backup half an hour away, and the person is standing fifty feet away with his hands in his pockets after getting out of his car when you told him not to, then I think you'd be able to understand if the trooper shoots him if the guy suddenly jerks his hands up. Later on they find out he was unarmed. Would you consider that to be a bad shoot?
Obviously that's an extreme example. More common shootings are along the lines of what we've seen in Charlotte, where it's unclear as to if the shooting was justifiable. In my eyes it was; he had the weapon in his hand (indisputable) and was backing away from the officers while facing them. He could have done any number of things; the fact that he was still holding the weapon could suggest that he was planning on diving for cover. In that situation, in the heat of the moment, with the lives of you, your partners, and bystanders at risk, you have to understand that it is different than looking at the video evidence hours/days later hundreds of miles away in a safe newsroom. I, of course, can understand why many people disagree with the officer's actions.
Don't get me wrong, I can understand a bad shooting. Take the recent incident in Tulsa; that officer fucked up, and most LEOs agree with that statement.
But to say that an officer shooting an unarmed person is always bad is quite a narrow-minded thing to say.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird how Dylan Roof gets apprehended, the white MAGA hat wearing frat bro who ate someone's face gets taken in alive but unarmed black people get murdered for... literally nothing.
TenaciousTravesty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you avoided my comment altogether and instead came up with something off-topic. I don't usually like doing this, but here's a fun little statistic: in 2015 twice as many white people than black people were shot by cops.
So do you have anything to say about my explanation of some of the shootings? That not all cops are racist, and instead sometimes find themselves in tight situations that force them to act quickly, relying on their training alone?
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something here tells me you're being a disingenuous asshole. I wonder what...
It's almost like there's:
More white people in the US than black people and
A much higher chance that, if you're black, your encounter with police ends up with you getting shot
Fuck off, bootlicker.
AlecBowden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know... Something tells me that when a minority race commits the majority of crime across the country, they're probably going to see a lot more police...
Nah, it's just that police are racist towards minorities, that's why they always shoot the mexicans, middle easterners, and asians too, right?
I'm not a trump supporter, but come on man, some facts and statistics can't be denied...
Sure, the police have made some fuck ups, but I'd say the blacks need to get their shit together just as much as the police, if not more.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Keep ignoring facts that are contrary to your opinions. Like how all races commit crimes equally, but black peoples are caught for it more because we heavily scrutinize their communities unfairly.
Again, slower this time:
Fuck. Off. Boot. Licker.
TenaciousTravesty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:13:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's on Facebook, so here's the copied text if you can't access it:
I have come to realize something that is still hard for me to understand to this day. The following may be a shock to some coming from an African American, but the mere fact that it may be shocking to some is prima facie evidence of the sad state of affairs that we are in as Humans.
I used to be so torn inside growing up. Here I am, a young African-American born and raised in Brooklyn, NY wanting to be a cop. I watched and lived through the crime that took place in the hood. My own black people killing others over nothing. Crack heads and heroin addicts lined the lobby of my building as I shuffled around them to make my way to our 1 bedroom apartment with 6 of us living inside. I used to be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of gun fire, only to look outside and see that it was 2 African Americans shooting at each other.
It never sat right with me. I wanted to help my community and stop watching the blood of African Americans spilled on the street at the hands of a fellow black man. I became a cop because black lives in my community, along with ALL lives, mattered to me, and wanted to help stop the bloodshed.
As time went by in my law enforcement career, I quickly began to realize something. I remember the countless times I stood 2 inches from a young black man, around my age, laying on his back, gasping for air as blood filled his lungs. I remember them bleeding profusely with the unforgettable smell of deoxygenated dark red blood in the air, as it leaked from the bullet holes in his body on to the hot sidewalk on a summer day. I remember the countless family members who attacked me, spit on me, cursed me out, as I put up crime scene tape to cordon off the crime scene, yelling and screaming out of pain and anger at the sight of their loved ones taking their last breath. I never took it personally, I knew they were hurting. I remember the countless times I had to order new uniforms, because the ones I had on, were bloody from the blood of another black victimโฆof black on black crime. I remember the countless times I got back in my patrol car, distraught after having watched another black male die in front me, having to start my preliminary report something like this:
Suspect- Black/ Male, Victim-Black /Male.
I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone โdid you see who did itโ, and the popular response from the very same family members was always, โFuck the Police, I ainโt no snitch, Im gonna take care of this myselfโ. This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.
I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, โMake sure you come back home to usโ. I always replied, โI willโ, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me โUncle Tomโ, and โwanna be white boyโ, and I couldnโt understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldnโt understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called โฆI was there. Every time someone diedโฆ.I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their livesโฆI was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that questionโฆWhy was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.
I spoke to members of the community and listened to some of the complaints as to why they hated cops. I then did research on the facts. I also presented facts to these members of the community, and listened to their complaints in response. This is what I learned:
Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.
Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) โฆwill ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. Itโs called Demographics
Complaint: More black people get arrested than โwhite boysโ.
Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicagoโs death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicagoโs death toll from 2001โNovember, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.
Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.
Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.
Fact: Black people kill more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBIโs Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnsonโs research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.
Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we donโt need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.
The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black manโฆ.the more I realized.
I havenโt slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldnโt help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead,..would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR: racism apologia
Fuck off bootlicker
TenaciousTravesty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:44:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to have an open mind. You will go far in life.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mind isn't open to right-wing propaganda. Fuck you, fuck your ideas, fuck your community. It's all shit.
TenaciousTravesty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay no offense but you legitimately sound brainwashed. I'm pro-gun, pro-gay, pro-law enforcement, and pro-choice. I consider myself a conservative Democrat; take that as you please.
TenaciousTravesty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:14:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the โnormโ, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post โblack lives matterโ. I realized that this country is full of ignorance, where an educated individual will watch the ratings-driven news media, and watch a couple YouTube video clips, and then come to the conclusion that they have all the knowledge they need to have in order to know what it feels like to have a bullet proof vest as part of your office equipment, โStay Aliveโ as part of your daily to do list, and having insurance for your health insurance because of the high rate of death in your profession. They watch a couple videos and then they magically know in 2 minutes 35 seconds, how you are supposed to handle a violent encounter, which took you 6 months of Academy training, 2 โ 3 months of field training, and countless years of blood, sweat, tears and broken bones experiencing violent encounters and fine tuning your execution of the Use of Force Continuum. I realized that there are even cops, COPS, duly sworn law enforcement officers, who are supposed to be decent investigators, who will publicly go on the media and call other white cops racist and KKK, based on a video clip that they watched thousands of miles away, which was filmed after the fact, based on a case where the details arenโt even known yet and the investigation hasnโt even begun. I realized that most in the African American community refuse to look at solving the bigger problem that I see and deal with every day, which is black on black crime taking hundreds of innocent black lives each year, and instead focus on the 9 questionable deaths of black men, where some were in the act of committing crimes. I realized that they value the life of a Sex Offender and Convicted Felon, [who was in the act of committing multiple felonies: felon in possession of a firearm-FELONY, brandishing and threatening a homeless man with a gun-Aggravated Assault in Florida: FELONY, who resisted officers who first tried to taze him, and WAS NOT RESTRAINED, who can be clearly seen in one of the videos raising his right shoulder, then shooting it down towards the right side of his body exactly where the firearm was located and recovered] more than the lives of the innocent cops who were assassinated in Dallas protecting the very people that hated them the most. I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken shit and will shoot a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to shoot someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to kill someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise. I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorist. I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100โs of years ago, when most of the white people today werenโt even born yet. I realized that some in the African American communityโs idea of โJusticeโ is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are. I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions. I realized that a lot of people in the African American community lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace. I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.
I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,โฆ and it is still hard for me to understandโฆ. to this day.
TenaciousTravesty ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, I got that vibe from you.
Not my point though. My point is that we always hear about the black people getting shot but never hear about the white people, even though twice as many of them are involved in OISs.
Hard to argue with your second point without sounding like a racist and having you shut down this debate because of it. Here goes:
I'm a privileged white male living in a predominantly white, fairly rural area. I'm also not a police officer, so I don't feel knowledgeable enough to argue with you much more than I already have. Instead I will turn to this viral Facebook post by a black police officer.
http://www.jaystalien.com/index.php/2016/07/19/10/
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anecdotes =/= evidence
TenaciousTravesty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:51:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you didn't read it, but that's okay. I didn't really expect you to.
From a quick Google search, I've found out that 74% of all police shootings involved an attack in progress. That's not counting the ones I described before, either. As I've already stated, there are - and will be - bad shootings. But not all shootings don't make sense. Not all shootings of unarmed people are unjustifiable, as you believe. I'm a Democrat myself, but people like you really make me sad. The people who categorize things and refuse to see them any other way. The fact that you can say something is never okay is, in my frank opinion, really stupid.
Looking back we've strayed a long way from the original topic. Funny. And the reason o don't like stating statistics is because someone is bound to pipe up and say "Oh yeah? Well law enforcement isn't even in the top ten most dangerous jobs!"
But please, if you can link to a reliable source that proves anything I've said wrong, then please do so. I'm happy to learn and change my beliefs accordingly.
illonlyusethisonceok ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thing is Dylan Roof gave up peacefully.
Which ones?
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Philando Castile was shot multiple times for having a broken taillight. He pulled over and complied. Still got murdered for his melanin.
BodgeJob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but the media is a gender cos they always reported the things that bad stuff but they didnt say when the good stuff and thats why i voted trump
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:55:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
???
GameResidue ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
agenda, i figured it out everyone!
BodgeJob ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea a gender where they only report the things and not the things i want
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They also said it was illegal to read the WikiLeaks
so yeah
cannabinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's nothing good to say about Hill so might as well bash the other guy
MrBlackz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything good on CNN lately? Just watched a video of them claiming that having copies of the Hillary leaks are illegal.
nanowerx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:27:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Remember, only journalists can view the big bad Wikileaks, don't you dare go and read them on your own without the CNN filter, that's illegal!"
iushciuweiush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their reporting on the Goldman transcripts was basically 'they confirm what she's been saying all along so nothing to see here.'
lewkiamurfarther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's their point. Dad is tired of talking about politics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that were true, they wouldn't be allowed to talk about anything else.
shannongmac ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:25:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart dad!
jsmoo68 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:26:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhhhh, wisdom from the mouths of babesโฆ
EsQuiteMexican ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:30:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are now on a list.
jsmoo68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! Sorry, I've been reading Herman Melville. "Babes" had a different connotation back then.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 18:43:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheSnydaMan ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 18:56:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im slightly left and I agree with you. On top of that, I dont believe in drowning children in political issues anyway. Give them a moral foundation, let them be kids, and they'll decide for themselves.
Pm_me_cool_art ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:31:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
replace "lefty" with "all" and then you'll be on the right track.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'll happen eventually.
My coworker and I got along relatively well. He was annoying, but I chalked it up to him being younger. Then, in the middle of lunch, he loudly announced that he thought gay people were disgusting and that LGBT rights should not be taught in schools because he didn't want his kids to think that stuff was natural or okay.
I see him completely differently now. Just lost all respect for him. *shrug. It's awkward because he'll ask me to hang out outside of work and I have to find creative ways to avoid him.
Deadpan9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:39:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The perfect recipe of words and wording to appear at the top of /r/thatHappened
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:31 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, I wish this was a thathappened story.
I was shocked. My coworkers were shocked. I thought he was kidding, too, at first... but he was completely serious. Didn't think this kind of stuff could happen with 20 year old kids in socal.
I mean, it sucks that he's an ignorant bigot about this. I don't care enough to argue or change his mind, I just pity him a lot. Must suck to have so much hate for people that don't even affect you.
foxh8er ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:19:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I concur, you could get ostracized for announcing you're a racist.
hubblespacetelephone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't announce or even demonstrate being racist.
You simply get labelled one and thrown in the pit with everyone else whose found to hold differing opinions.
See also: Brexit.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As they should be.
averhan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a username.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. It's supposed to be about glockenspiels but Reddit doesn't allow usernames that long, so I had to shorten it.
lewkiamurfarther ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try not to make it a partisan issue. A lot of us lefties are totally pissed off about the whole thing, and have no interest in politicking at children like predators.
Deadpan9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neither do I, but when there are meetings being held during school to organize for political reasons among the teachers, I am concerned for my child's liberty to learn without stigma.
lewkiamurfarther ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Agreed. I'm a liberal and I have no interest in illiberal brainwashing.
But consider this: children whose parents stress honesty (with yourself and others) are often capable of recognizing when teachers are lying to them. On the other hand, having an authority figure attempt to force its poorly-justified views upon you, as a child, can often be the inspiration that pushes you to find the truth for yourself.
Ultimately, I know all parents will politicize the whole world in the process of raising their children. Few apples fall far from the tree. But the fact remains: the only way we make "progress" as a society is to avoid instilling blind partisanship in our children.
Why? Because the truth is neither here nor there.
And the truth cannot lie, but if it could, it would lie somewhere in between (or maybe somewhere else altogether).
TL;DR? All partisanship is a kind of lie. (Don't let them sell you on the idea that it's a practical consideration. It's not.)
Deadpan9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kudos.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok. Smart parents are taking pictures of houses with Trump signs outside for when the election is over.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:48:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just for historical documentation purposes. What thin skin you have. Maybe you should put some Trumper stickers on your car too. Don't worry, it's safe.
I can't reiterate enough, put as many Trump signs in your yard as you can. You and your families will be 100% safe.
Deadpan9 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goodbye.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stay safe!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:23:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're a creepy fucker aren't you
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Nazis and other flavors of fascist think I'm a creep then I'm doing my job as a proud American antifascist.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh anti-fa, that's all I needed to know.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stay safe!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You too, edgelord!
averhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is this (((parentheses))) shit? and what is the internet harassment campaign going on against Jews? never heard of either before, and as a Jew, I feel like it's something I should know about.
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:23:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you see (((parentheses))) around someone's name online, the person doing the ((())) is announcing that the target is a Jew, and should be harassed for being a Jew.
It's called an "echo" (the triple parentheses). Here's an article about it.
averhan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, that is pretty insidious. I tried to Google it and got nothing.
d0pedog ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 18:50:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You backwards folk are the problem with this country
sordfysh ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:17:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Were you trying to lend credence to his claim? Cuz you just did.
eiketsujinketsu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:06:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna have to say that no, your type actually is.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually go look at that guys comments it's hard to imagine he isn't a Trump supporter. Huge proponent of stop and frisk, for example.
d0pedog ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 19:22:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever, christian
Not_really_Spartacus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Low quality b8 m8
eiketsujinketsu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lolwut? I don't have a religion.
qball12345 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Commie "no platform" b.s. ^
columbus8myhw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:54:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As it should be.
recipe_pirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in fourth or fifth grade, and the presidental candidates were Gore and Bush, My dad told me I could tell my teacher that Al Gore could go fuck himself. Never took advantage of that one. Wish I did.
cfdeveloper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you saying Trump is a pedophile???
Indigoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Not until your brain is more developed. I don't want it stunting your growth"
amrobi18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's some good advice
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad loves politics but my mum tells me to ignore it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad yelled at me for saying Walter Mondale's name when I was in 3rd grade, during the '84 elections.
Me: Who's Walter Mondale?
Dad: Boy, we don't speak that man's name in this household, y'hear?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good man
maddiemoiselle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I had the cash I would totally gift you gold for this comment. This is hilarious.
ajshell1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people: religion, politics, and the Great Pumpkin."
Linus
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good. Kid's getting raised right.
kctroway ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:04:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's sad
sloppies ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:14:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? It's meaningless to young children. Let them worry about politics when they're teens. Every young child I've seen just goes ahead & agrees with whatever their family said to believe in.
kctroway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not being allowed to talk about the state of the world, especially with your parents who are supposed to guide you and help you make sense of things, just strikes me as really sad.
I can understand if he doesn't want to talk politics because it is isn't "polite", but just to be completely forbidden to talk about the election makes me sad.
sloppies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point, but I still disagree. You'd have to approach from a completely unbiased perspective, otherwise you're just teaching them to parrot your own beliefs.
kctroway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just think that parents should instill their values on their children. If the child isn't instilled with values how would they ever be able to intelligently question those values/beliefs?
jesusice ยท 432 points ยท Posted at 17:26:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At my daughter's elementary school the kids are telling the Mexican kids that if Trump is elected he'll deport them. It's enough of a problem that the principal had to address it at the last assembly.
datmamathere ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 01:49:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A girl in my sons 1st grade class only invited half of the kids, citing 'anyone that Donald Trump is going to send back' as not invited. My son was classified as a sympathizer.... And when I said something about it I got fucking crucified in Reddit. Go figure...
H_Floyd ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 02:45:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really disgusting. The real tragedy is that the girl is young enough to easily be rescued from that kind of irrational fear and hatred, but unfortunately that's never likely to happen. We're born into whatever kind of household we're born into, for better or worse.
How did the invitations go out in the first place, though? Like, how was that remark even apart of it? I teach that age level, and if I had encountered this situation I would've sat the girl down and had a serious heart-to-heart. Something along the lines of, "how would you feel about not being invited to a party because you are a girl?" It doesn't take much to get kids to understand "Do Unto Others".
So I'm wondering how these invitations escaped the scrutiny of the teacher.
archiminos ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 06:22:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because an adult is behind the whole idea.
datmamathere ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:28:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kid waited until the teacher wasn't in there, because she knew she wasn't supposed to do that. And, she said it as she was giving them out. My son came home crying, and I was furious and called her a name. He goes to school and of course repeats it. I got a phone call, but the teacher was laughing at my son. She was pissed at the other kid, it was so blatantly mean and racist. My son didn't get invited because his best friend is black. The little girl got in trouble and her parents called, but the damage was done already. And it was bad, another little girl had nightmares because this same little girl had told her she would be 'thrown over the wall'.
tinycole2971 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:51:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This pisses me off. I seen a comment in r/Parenting a while back about how inviting the whole class to the kid's birthday party is just teaching the kid to be "too PC".
NO, inviting the whole class is teaching basic fucking respect and inclusion to impressionable kids. It has nothing to do with being "PC".
datmamathere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:12:59 on October 27, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that was probably my comment... I'm telling you I was hit hard with people not agreeing with me about it. I don't care though. It shouldn't be allowed and I don't feel bad at all for speaking up. But damn, RIP my inbox on that one. It was bad...
tinycole2971 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:40 on October 27, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for honesty, not because I agree.
Just_Call_Me_Mavis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You saw. You didn't seen.
tinycole2971 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one gives a fuck*
jeffderek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:08:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not, but I do judge you when you use poor grammar. I'm just some dude on the Internet, though, so it doesn't matter.
Holy crap, though. I get emails like that in a professional environment all the time. Who is teaching English these days?
tinycole2971 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:11:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't consider a single word "poor grammar" though. Language is always changing and Reddit's comment section shouldn't be held to the same standard as one's workplace.
If a person can get their point across without misunderstanding, grammar shouldn't be policed.
jeffderek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:27:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. That's fine. Use whatever words you want to.
In my experience, the people who use poor grammar in their casual discussions do not revert to proper English in other arenas easily. Once you train your mind to use certain linguistic pathways, it will default to them regardless of environment. As an example, think of everyone who has tried and failed not to curse around their parents or other authority figures.
So no, reddit comments shouldn't be held to a high standard, but you're still going to get judged when you articulate your point poorly. As will I, when someone inevitably finds a grammar failure in this post or another one of mine.
The difference between us, apparently, is that I will be embarrassed by it.
Funkydiscohamster ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:06:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How did the principal handle it?
MuttyMo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:12:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man. We are awful people. I'm in Mexico right now, and a dude I met said he would love to move to Texas with his wife and kids. Quickly followed up with: "But we don't want to take someone else's jobs." I fucking hate our country right now. We are ugly.
kronos669 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 10:15:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that's horrible, imagine being a little kid and being terrified of being kicked out of your home
erroneous_behaviour ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:29:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump supporters do t understand how important presidential language is. Prime example right here.
CoherentFrost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:25:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like Brexit(or however that's spelled).
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How insightful
jwalk40 ยท 3641 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I had the most recent debate on the TV, my five year old walked in the room. He took a look, rolled his eyes, and and said, "Seriously, these guys again?"
LegendOfPublo ยท 1063 points ยท Posted at 20:27:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was my reaction
take_all_the_upvotes ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:11:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My reaction has so far been to get drunk and tweet about them
uhhrace ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:13:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
20 years old and that's my reaction any time anyone talks about either of them for longer than a minute.
ZachAttrax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:31:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's my reaction when they don't cease to exist.
fatmand00 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:43:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? Again with the existing?!
Sherlock_Drones ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I mean for him that's understandable. But for you (most likely), that's like watching the super bowl and being like "football again?"
Pressondude ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:39:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the super bowl was played between a giant douche and a turd sandwich
CommanderpKeen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:06:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Pats/Seahawks again?
goo_goo_gajoob ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:24:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah Cowboys/Cowboys in a once in a life clone match!
mr_ewe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:14:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that reference.
ClashmanTheDupe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's my reaction to anything sports though.
LlamaLlamaPingPong ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 23:29:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching it on my phone while laying in bed and my almost 4 year old came in for a cuddle. She watched for a bit and then said, "the man with that weird hair is really mean to that lady. But that lady looks like she is pretend nice and not real nice. I don't like this show. Who are they?" I said they were both trying to be the boss of the USA. She said, "like the guy who is the boss of Canada!! Except he looks so so handsome. I love him."
We're Canadian. And Trudeau IS so so handsome.
the_person ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:49:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her analysis is so accurate
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 00:51:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow your daughter sounds more qualified to run the US than either of the two nominees.
Almainyny ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:00:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see what a child who became the President would ACTUALLY do if they were President for a day.
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:22:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Free icecream for everyone! No more bedtimes! Pony rides for anyone that wants one! and paint the White House pink!" Think that's about what my daughter would want. haha
PM_ME_STEAM_CODES__ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 00:54:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do Canadians watch the US debates for fun?
LlamaLlamaPingPong ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 01:19:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Because whomever is president of the USA it's going to affect us in one way or another as well. I'm guessing Americans never care who our leadership is though. Which is a shame. Learning and knowing and understanding each other's country and how it works and runs is vital.
joe847802 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 01:50:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. From the great ol U.S. here. One thing i hate bout this place is when people from other countries give there opinion about our politics and people from here (the U.S.) start saying things like you dont have an opinion, it doesnt affect you. When in reality it affects others aswell as us.
kazga ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:46:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm European and I watch them (not live though), as do some of my friends. On the one hand the POTUS office is a pretty big deal for the world, on the other it's like following a reality show. Our elections are boring compared to this.
Ironwarsmith ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:28:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish it was the other way around, I want our elections to be boring and yours to be the reality show.
kazga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:21:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very understandable. Sometimes I feel the same way simply because ours are less important on a global scale.
Toxicitor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Australians do.
mvanvoorden ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 21:26:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He gets it.
AgentElman ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:47:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just watch the debates so SNL makes sense.
amrobi18 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:29:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart kid if I must say
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:50:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as someone from the Rest of the world, I can assure you that the other 7 billion of us are saying the same thing. Its been entertaining, but we're starting to get sick of it now.
lydsbane ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:30:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My eight year old is very anti-Trump; my parents, unfortunately, are not. He's been trying to lecture them on their choices, the poor kid.
He found out that you have to be thirty-five to run for President. I turned thirty-five earlier this year. He told me that I should be President. I can't make this kid clean his room, how am I going to run a country?
ctant1221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fine. I don't think Trump could clean his room, so you could probably do a better job running a company than he would.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the fact that I wouldn't go around groping my staff, sure.
Note, before I get all kinds of downvotes: I know that it's speculation until he's charged, but he said this is behavior he indulges in. If he was making it up to try to become Billy Bush's best friend, being the age he was at the time? That's a little bit pathetic.
BrownBirdDiaries ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:40:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, can we give him gold?
Franklin_DeTurtle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your 5 year old is wise beyond his years.
PM_Me_Loli_Or_Else ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:16:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And his name? Albert Einstein.
fullcloakghosthunter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YourSon2036!!!!
ShaolinShade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This gives me hope for the future
Randomnumberrrrr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody turn this into a meme so I can put it on my facebook.
yomama629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much what everyone who isn't old as fuck is saying about this election
zumawizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you watching debates for at this point? Penance?
Deaditor777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This made,me laugh out loud
PeachesNCake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what I yell at CNN whenever I accidentally turn on CNN
Landown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your five year old just captured the nation'a thoughts in a single sentence.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your kid is cool
deepestcreepest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your child is probably smarter than at least 85% of the US population, including you, since you had that shit on your TV.
Beware_of_419 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Epic
[deleted] ยท 1387 points ยท Posted at 17:06:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is an early childhood teacher, and this happened the other day:
Kid is playing house, angrily slams play phone
My mom: "Who was that?"
Kid: "Donald Trump. And I told him never to call here again!"
It's funny how much kids pick up from their parents.
AARancor22 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 18:59:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that kid Sean Hannity?
CaptainFilmy ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 22:26:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one calls Sean Hannity
17Hongo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump: "Everybody refuses to call Sean Hannity"
Everyone else: "Well of course we do; he's a dick".
II-o-II ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 04:36:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny but it can also be really sad. I was playing Apples to Apples one time with my little brother - he was around 10 at the time (I'm much older). I was trying to help him so I asked him what cards he had. He told me one of them was a person. "I don't know who it is but I hate him." Turns out the card was Mohammed Ali. He hated him because his name was Mohammed. I was so shocked I didn't even know what to say so the moment passed but I'll never forget that. That was the moment I realized what kinds of values my dad was teaching him.
Nicdraw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He could've picked it up from a school friend too.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 06:54:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I doubt he knows who's influencing his own brother.
Madonski ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 08:39:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Dad
II-o-II ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:51:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly he is home schooled. His only influences are his family and his church. But our father makes no attempt to hide his xenophobia - it definitely came from him.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:49:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's adorable
Bassiprofundi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:14:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Listen you broken down old queen
XxsquirrelxX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he call with a buisness offer?
"Son, I'll give you 20 pieces of Double Bubble bubble gum for your high chair."
"No, I want tootsie rolls!"
slam
meowtiger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:44:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't talk to me or my son ever again
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most underrated comment on this thread.
ClydeOrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A preschool teacher?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's early intervention for children with learning delays or disabilities, to prepare them for kindergarten and first grade.
RagingFuckalot ยท 8312 points ยท Posted at 15:39:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not American and only a student teacher but I had a good chuckle the other day when a student asked me if Donald Trump, Blake Obama and Hilary Duff all have to live together in the white house.
username_liets ยท 7081 points ยท Posted at 16:39:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake Obama, Barack's rad younger brother
Soren635 ยท 3234 points ยท Posted at 18:03:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sick guitar riff
[deleted] ยท 1494 points ยท Posted at 18:30:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know Blake has some mad frosted hair and a pair of Oakleys.
Askarus ยท 812 points ยท Posted at 19:48:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a hemp necklace with a shark tooth on it.
sinister_exaggerator ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 21:08:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[90s Intensifies]
SargentMcSwag ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:12:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ALL THE
SargentMcSwag ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:12:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SMALL THINGS
imyourmomsfriend ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:37:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SAY IT AIN'T SO
newscrash ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:13:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I WILL NOT GO
swagmemite42 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:58:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOUR DRUG IS A HEARTBREAKER
e8ghtmileshigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GET YOUR GAME ON
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:52:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pooka shell necklace braj
Sp00kyScarySkeleton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So much better than bracelets.
skullminerssneakers ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:54:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sup mullato. Mind if i hit this ranch?
gimmiethatbutt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:15:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sup mello mike im seein some 311 in the quad later
skullminerssneakers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude i know you. Youre simple simon!
gimmiethatbutt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sup mcnuggs youre pretty mellow you shop at whole foods?
skullminerssneakers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mind if i air dj in your personal space? I just dj'd woodstock 99' like 420 minutes ago.
gimmiethatbutt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sup pimple pete im gonna chase some cherokee chicks down the trail of beers you feel me?
skullminerssneakers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:17:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was straight up enlightened for weeks like LRH at the scientology center
gimmiethatbutt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
battlefield earth shouldve been a tyler perry movie
skullminerssneakers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:08:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fingered robocop!
gimmiethatbutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
youve ever seen 101? im talking dalmations baby
skullminerssneakers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:37 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Filpinos!
gimmiethatbutt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:59 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gun to your head, would you rather have sex with your mom or dad?
skullminerssneakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:27 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna 69? Im down to be penetrated
gimmiethatbutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:51 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh yeah stick a pinky in me
G8kpr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably wears his baseball cap backwards, like a hooligan
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever he's not in the room, we should all wonder where Blake is
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you really mean Balakey
kosmic_osmo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:19:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the only blake ive ever known wore oakleys and a shark tooth necklace. freaky.
skullminerssneakers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im gonna make you jizzcuzzi with me tonight
ScottieScrotumScum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't forget about the old school tribal tattoo.
MinoTux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also surfs and goes "Gnarly waves brah"
608_esaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And some Chinese tattoo that doesn't make any sense, but "looks cool"
PachinkoGear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
geordiesvisor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:08:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And probably listens to Nickelback but is able to pull it off.
Fightmeyouhobo ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:21:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His brother left Hawaii and became POTUS. Blake just stay put in the Island and chillaxxxx.
Binford6100 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:13:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The movie "Johnny Tsunami" was loosely based on the life of Blake Obama.
Fightmeyouhobo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:32:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
omg, that was my childhood. I love that movie.
Blake: ....I am scared of all this iceeee sanddd, bruhhh.
Barrack: It's called 'snow', Blake. It's a lot like surfing just fellow my lead jumped down
Blake: ooooohhh brothaaaa, here we goooooo
Two Hawaiians bombing those slops like a speed demon
Michelle: ...this is why we only visit his brother only once a year... looking up at the mountain while holding a cup of hot chocolate
geordiesvisor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake isn't cool enough to live in Hawaii. He still works at Best Buy in Reno, NV.
Fightmeyouhobo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:53:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake can't afford a ticket to the mainland. He's still working at the surfboard rental and get to see Barrack and his family every Xmas when they visit.
Barrack: Hey, brother.
Blake: ooo, SUP! BRUH! lets get some shaved ice and hit some waveee like old timess Barry.
Barrack: put on oakleys Get me my surfboard.
geordiesvisor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly. But I think Blake probably moved to Phoenix initially to go to the University of Phoenix and his parents helped pay for the move back in 2003. Thats where he met that stupid skank that broke his heart Beckylynn and he moved with her to Reno. She shortly after he got there caught him sending myspace messages to high school chicks and totally went out and revenge fucked his bro Tony. Now he's just chilling, working at best buy waiting for his reality TV show idea to get picked up.
Fightmeyouhobo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
University of Phoenix doesn't have a campus. =D And also Barry and Blake's parents passed away when they were young so it's grandma/pa whose been taking care of them. :')
Barrack: mom loves cherry shaved ice...
Blake: ...bruhh... pass me that joint
Barrack: I... am still the Pres.. Forget it, I worked enough. smoke
Blake: ...Hawaii misses you, Barry.
Barrack: I miss Hawaii too... lets get some plate lunch after this. I am ready for some Hawaiian BBQ and Mac salad.
geordiesvisor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahaha nice. I could actually go for some Hawaiian BBQ.
And thats how retarded Blake is. He thought there was a campus lol
Fightmeyouhobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha what a dummy.
Yeah, a nice plate of Hawaiian bbq with short ribs, chicken, and fried manhi manhi with a large side of mac salad with some black pepper on it... man, i want a plate too
geordiesvisor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn son. Time to go find out if the local BBQ joint is open!
Redici ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is all true, he's also an insufferable asshat 99% of the time
Source: know a Blake that fits this description to a T
geordiesvisor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:21:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he probably drives a tuner car and has a shitty goatee. Loves jaeger bombs and fucking fat chicks off tinder on the down low.
Redici ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jacked up 14 dodge 1500,but this is Texas so basically the same thing
geordiesvisor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes. The "country" version of a honda accord.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:42:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't think I know BLAKE! I know BLAKE!
Social_Turtle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you David?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, how do you know my name?
Social_Turtle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody knows David.
Ah2k15 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:18:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White framed Oakleys, no doubt.
RemixxMG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And has Guy Fieri on favorited contacts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
[removed]
Ah2k15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took the doors off so it's extra terrifying
CommanderPhoenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Blake just black Guy Fiery? Actually, is he just regular Guy Fiery?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Guy Fieri is Barack Obama's younger brother living under the radar
Lexie197 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Blake Guy Fieri?
BlakeSurfing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have sun bleached hair that is growing out and wear a pair of oakleys I found at work, I don't even need to state my name.
ArchArchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With the frosty tips poking out the top of his visor, which he wears on all occasions.
mj_paints ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guy Fieri?
ForrestParques ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he's Guy Fieri?
J_House1999 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RADICAL!!!
frohardorfrohome ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RANCH!
NicolasMage69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sup Blake Obama?
ButterCreamGangsta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
COOL _______ DORITOS ?
Pallida_Mors ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:59:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Put a sock in it, Roy.
NotSoCheezyReddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you go back to the carpet store?
Perfuckti0n ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
excellent
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Party on Wayne...
Weedjus_and_Kelly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KICK IT
diablo75 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find this personally funny because my wife's older brother's name is Blake and he's very good with the guitar.
caanthedalek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake Obama pulls a sweet Ollie on his skateboard
Letty_Whiterock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a 90's kid.
CaptainCaedus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kickflips
edit: learned how to italics on Reddit comments
Muntberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What happened to you, China? You used to be cool.
MRSN4P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/Hf8NZgdcvAE
InfoTechGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sup mello?
mister_atoms ยท 531 points ยท Posted at 18:09:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barack was getting a bit stale, the network wanted to spice things up a bit. Soon Blake will move into his own White House with two sexy ladies.
G8kpr ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:39:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In West Hawaii, born and Raised...
On the beach is where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out, relaxing, catchin' some of those gnarly waves.
When a couple of donkey's who were up to no good
Started makin' trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little barnie, and my mom wanted me to flee
She said "you're moving in With Obama, down in Washington, D.C."
PM_ME_YOUR_PM_PHOTOS ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:05:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coming up next on TBS
Kaiser-Saucier ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:54:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Come and knock on our door!
LRedditor15 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:42:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This reminds me of that Simpsons episode with
SnoopyPoochie the Dog or something like that.mister_atoms ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like references.
LRedditor15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Itchy_%26_Scratchy_%26_Poochie_Show
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:05:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sexy ladies*bodacious babes
Escargooofy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yo, the name's Blakey O, and I rock the tele. I'm half Joe Camel and a third Fonzarelli. I'm the kung fu hippie from gangster city. I'm a rappin' surfer, you the fool I pity!
saemi27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake in the House is my favorite anime.
Ulftar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zany hijinks ensue when they have to move in with a straight edge Mormon roommate!
XxsquirrelxX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So then Michelle will still be in the series?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd vote for him in place of Trump or Hillary tbh
everred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Pretty sure a large number of us would if we could
magicalraven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Put a sock in it Blake.
monteqzuma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's So Obama!
iCanAndiWill7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake or Bill?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Donald Trump is a sexy lady.
TheJollyLlama875 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:53:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald: You're fired!
Blake: Whoa! Bogus!
WhisperScream92 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:05:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I can think of is that Substitute Teacher sketch from Key & Peele when I hear the name "Blake".
"Buh-La-key"
joshgodawful ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:12:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck off, Barry, you're harshing my buzz."
-flips up collar of leather jacket-
"Forget it, I'm out of here."
canadiancarlin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:31:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want to go to war in Iraq Balakee!
starite ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:15:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BUH-LAH-KEY!
mad0314 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:28:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do... do you mean Blake?
crooked_clinton ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:32:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama's brother is a Trump supporter, but he is not American.
nmotsch789 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half-brother, actually.
crooked_clinton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct! Just like how Obama is half American. Joking!!!
PM_ME_YOUR_PM_PHOTOS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got highlights in his hair and rides a REAL hoverboard.
whodey17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
.
ani0227 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should win an award for most obscure reference
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:17:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake Obama is the Tommy Boy of the administration.
RazzleDazzleDorito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the first thing in this thread to make me laugh.
GG u/username_liets
username_liets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On an unrelated note, is your username a steven universe reference?
RazzleDazzleDorito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both Steven Universe and Gravity Falls, actually. Thanks for noticing though!
Sylvester_Scott ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rad, but less tan.
ixora7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With blond highlights.
Ariel125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
someone needs to create a comic about this.
trollymctrollstein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pronounced blockay
NickStuart118 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's into radical politics
USMCBeast23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/vlxkcewBEe0
stone_henge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake "Blaze" Obama
slysmileboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B-LAKE
OppressedCactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's bros with Craig Christ.
twistedlimb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"blaaakkeee" "its pronounced BA-la-KAY!"
MostlyCarbonite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brock Obama. /r/WeHaveConcerns
JackHarrison1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this comment was posted 8 years ago it would become the most popular meme of all time.
soggy7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got frosted tips
MutantSushi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
barackobamasmokingweed.jpg
dpkonofa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the Stefan Urkel version of Barack... You know the US Government has spent years and billions of dollars creating that machine... Illuminati. 420 Blazeit.
Sipsaholic_support ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I could up vote this twice I would
Siegfried262 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you guys heard about the new kid Blake Obama? He seems pretty cool. He likes to skateboard!
SaddleDaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B'lake
Doppledangler_fu2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buuuhhhh-laaaaaaake
CursedLemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DO YOU WANT TO GO TO WAR, BARACK-AY
anon___throwaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zRpsRKuyi3Y
BLAH-KAY
metrognome64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pronounced ba-lack-eh.
Fe_fe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pronounced ba-la-ke
RexMackenzie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake Obama should run as a third party. He'd sure get my vote!
Gigwave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He pronounces it Bahlakay.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And ges voting for Trump. Why? Because Barack killed Ghaddafi.
unclesam919 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pronounced buh-Lock
woodchipper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The White House pool lifeguard.
colemang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't sass me Balake.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he is half blake.
kyrgrat08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Barry fresh
tasha4life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he say it like the substitute teacher on Key and Peele?
Bah-lock-aa??
lingwall88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically Cory In The House as a grownup
BeardyDave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather it be his adopted, white son. Barrack plays the character in Dave Chappell style white-race.
UltimateInferno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wiggity wiggity Wack!
goblinchode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With bleached blonde hair
Do_doop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what it is about that joke but that's the funniest thing I've read in a long time. We'll done bud
lord_gaben3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Balakaye Obama vs A-a-Ron Trump 2020.
ccclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blake in the House
Rayadicto11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he has starred some porn movies too
mannyjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buh-lakeh
F4rquaad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hey, its me, ur brother
Cameltoenail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:27 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ba-lake Obama
TriscuitCracker ยท 556 points ยท Posted at 16:25:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that's a reality show I'd watch!
Micaityl ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:39:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Welcome back everyone to 'Survivor: White House' Where they might be the contestants but the only ones who needs to do the surviving is us..."
XLordS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:29:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By a vote of 2 to 0: Blake Obama, you have been evicted from the Big Brother house.
infez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BUTFIRST
Beckiwithani ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:18:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...to see what happens when people stop being polite, and start acting real." Real World: Washington DC, only on MTV2.
Batman_Von_Suparman2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cory in the house will always remain my favorite anime though
2rio2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama and Hillary as the cool dad and the mom who just doesn't get it of America. Trump as our rich, crazy, racist uncle who lives in the attic. Diamond Joe Biden as our next door neighbor who sneaks us beer and cigarettes to "grow some hair on our chest"
infez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:26:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you mean Blake Obama and Hillary Duff?
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL rich people are in my attic
awaitsV ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 18:21:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would vote for Hillary duff
grungeman97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duff 2016: Why Not Take a Crazy Chance?
stationhollow ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 21:47:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't she get all fat and crazy?
meikyoushisui ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:07:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not sure about crazy, but definitely not fat.
TheWhisperedthing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:01:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that was Lindsay Lohan and maybe Amanda Bynes you're thinking of. Hilary Duff is still a relatively good influence. At the very least, she hasn't cracked.
Phytomancer ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:57:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is adorable!
RagingFuckalot ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 17:00:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was so cute. After that she asked me if Donald Trump's last name is short for Trumpet which was even cuter.
[deleted] ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 18:01:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐บ doot doot Make America Great Again doot doot ๐บ Crooked Hillary REEEEEEEE ๐บ - Donald Trumpet
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:33:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:35:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks , It's amazing i didn't think of that sooner.
lxpnh98_2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now, to welcome the next president of the United States, JOHN CENA!!!!!!! ๐บ๐บ๐บ๐บ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better then Trump , His name is - JOHN CENAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Liger1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:23:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AND HIS NAME IS DONALD TRUMP
๐บ ๐บ ๐บ ๐บ
๐บ ๐บ ๐บ ๐บ
erineegads ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:24:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in love
PM_ME_IASIP_QUOTES ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:57:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you have a seat...I'm Chris Hansen.
erineegads ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:23:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no... I... she just... asked me to help with her homework...
PM_ME_IASIP_QUOTES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why are you naked?! https://youtu.be/qxKYxzlqLOs
erineegads ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Just that... I'll never sleep with someone under 19, that's for sure."
nickyfree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cop in the ghilly suit at the end has me dyin
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I knew a lot of people in high school who thought Mitt Romney's name was Mittens Romney.
RagingFuckalot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha omg
hisglasses55 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:12:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buh-Lah-Kay Obama
GodDamnYou_Bernice ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:17:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU WANNA GO TO WAR BALAKY
office_procrastinate ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:32:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kinda glad that Hilary Duff is relevant again, good for her.
hunf-hunf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's not and this probably didn't happen.
SEX_LIES_AUDIOTAPE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that anyone under the age of 13 today has heard of Hillary Duff.
-d0ubt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:15:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when I used to watch 'The Suite Life of Zack and Cody' there was an episode where they went into the future and Hillary was president and it was all apocalyptic. I was like 8 and I'm not American so the only Hillary I'd heard of was Hillary Duff so I thought it was some weird joke. I only remembered recently and realised how messed up that was in a show targeted towards kids.
TheWhisperedthing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 09:08:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was Paris Hilton, not Hilary Clinton. Suite Life typically made fun of Paris Hilton (London Tipton is a mockery)
-d0ubt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:48:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it? This was like 8 years ago so my memory's not exactly clear.
ThePurpleKnightmare ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Hilary Duff. At least people still remember her name.
Beiki ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Obama first ran for president I was doing a Constitution Day presentation to an eighth grade class. I asked them who was the oldest delegate at the Constitutional Convention and one of them said John McCain. I wish I was that witty in 8th grade.
RagingFuckalot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John McCain looks so much like my late grandma it's disconcerting.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:33:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RagingFuckalot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She watched the Lizzie McGuire movie and is ten and therefore doesn't know much about American politics. Jesus, it's like I've created a conspiracy theory here
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
JSBraga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would make an awesome sitcom.
Tarquin_Underspoon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:52:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two Dems, A Derp, And A
Pizza PlaceWhite HouseKaylya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really want that to say Donald Duck, Blake Obama, and Hillary Duff ;)
PM_ME_YOUR_PM_PHOTOS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I hadn't thought about Hilary Duff since before that kid was born...
MrGhris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, this is brilliant. Shove all possible presidential candidates in a house for 6 months a la Big Brother. That should show who they really are.
thehighground ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd vote for Hilary Duff over hillary clinton
CodeMonkey789 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
12th grade was a good time.
NastyFilthyHobbitses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually impressed that they know the name Hilary Duff. She hasn't been around for a while.
foxh8er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm impressed that Hillary Duff is somehow more known today than Hillary Clinton to some people.
And I thought her career was over in 2011.
ZeVindowViper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that sounds like a great premise for a sitcom
fitzwaddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
aren't all teachers student teachers?
Bananawamajama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe there are people who are aware of Hillary Duff but not Hillary Clinton at this point. 10 years ago maybe.
70percentmugcookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone should make a sit com out of this.
MaxPecktacular ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is... Is this a new show on nickelodeon?
DatGuy45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait do children still know who Hillary Duff is?
ChrisAndersen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the elevator pitch for an 80s sitcom.
stonemender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B-laak-e? Where is b-laak-e at?
OverlordXenu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, do they still watch Hilary Duff?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How old is the student? I don't know anyone >17 who knows who Hillary Duff is
RagingFuckalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's ten and pretty much every 10 year old I know is aware who Hilary Duff is.
sweet_fucking_sex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump and Hilary Duff are getting a divorce right now, and everyone is voting on which of the two gets to stay in the house.
Etandange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strange thing, in Vietnam my cousins and friends always refer to him as "Black Obama"
I still don't know if they are joking or they can't say Barrack...
CommanderDub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Hillary duff still a thing? My sister loved her back in the early '00s
RagingFuckalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved her when I was younger! I mean, her show isn't on anymore but her movies still get shown on tv here.
MadeInAlbania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An White House story.
anumati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a reality TV show I'd watch for at least 15 minutes.
ToThyneOwnSelfBeTrue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that falls under the "cute" category
landsharkgun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We all know that one guy who still lives in his family's house..."
jaunty theme music, camera slowly panning across the city
"...But what if his family's house.....is the WHITE HOUSE."
camera reaches the White House and stops, record scratch
"This Tuesday at 7pm Central, Blake And Barack! Only on NBC."
kickeduprocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Hilary duff still a thing?
ButtsexEurope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe you. Hillary Duff hasn't been relevant for 10 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As if anyone under 20 even knows who Hillary Duff is
RagingFuckalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't they?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they? She hasn't been relevant since the Lizzy McGuire Movie
RagingFuckalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because her movies still get shown on tv and the kids channel shows reruns of Lizzie McGuire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. Fair enough then. I cut cable years ago so I guess I'm just out of the kids' TV loop.
foxp3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone at MTV just got a hard on.
NunyaBidnit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That student's got a way with words.
zeajsbb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to envision my kids elementary school teachers have sweet names. Ragingfuckalot? What grade are you teaching?
RagingFuckalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually going to be teaching years 10-12 but I am doing additional volunteer prac at a local primary school.
HashSlingingSlash3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we have a sitcom on our hands
portrait_fusion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet Blake is the one who did all the cool things in his life instead of become president.
shredding guitar solo's, riding a mountain bike down a hill crushing a can of mountain dew. that's who Blake is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd watch that sitcom.
ender89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best real world season ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is adorable
Rocknrollapartment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he mean Ba-lak-a?
borrabnu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how would an elementary school student in another country know who hilary duff was?
RagingFuckalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because she has watched the Lizzie McGuire movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. How old was the kid?
RagingFuckalot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ten.
cjh93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hilary Duff for president!
Cisiowian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump has the better name recognition.
AKR44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Duff better wear a chastity belt.
prettyflamazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Lizzie McGuire lives in the White House.
StrawberryR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would totally watch this, if this was a show. Donald Trump, Obama pretending to be a skater bro from the 90s, and Hilary Duff, all living together like Big Brother.
KingKrisspyKream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary duff 2016
cyanocobalamin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Clinton wins it will be the first time in U.S. history ( that we know of ) that two presidents slept together. If Trump wins it will be the first time a billionaire will move into a house previously owned by a black man.
hunf-hunf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:12:56 on December 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get you to finally admit that you made this up?
mesocookie ยท 233 points ยท Posted at 16:31:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my sister in law is a 9th grade government teacher.
She asked her students what it meant to be president, and got a few "Build a wall!" responses. She is great with the kids smart ass answers, and responded "Infrastructure, very good". She has mentioned before that it's a very uncomfortable time to be a government teacher because she cannot show even a slight bias to any candidate or party without possibility of being fired or at least reprimanded.
[deleted] ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:06:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My teacher was very up front about what she believes, but didn't care what we believed as long as we could defend it and even if we couldn't, she just wanted us to do our own research.
I really liked that style because we were treated like adults, I hope it's not completely down the drain now.
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 11:50:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did she say she wanted Hillary to win because she's part of a teacher's union and or did she have some other excuse?
Thoraxe12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:32:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit, if she can get fired over talking about an candidate that is an amazing school. My highschool Texas, they shove the republican so far down my throat the dems gave me a free handjob for getting face fucked
Fikkia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:04:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about hating them equally?
XesEri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what's going on in my school as well. We have a required 12th grade civics/econ class (so you can imagine the kind of people in the class), and the teacher is fairly vocal about being a democrat. He says openly that it's to warn us that he may be biased one way or another.
He's already gotten a bunch of complaints that "he says Hillary won the debate because he likes her as a candidate" and things like that. Some of it doesn't make sense at all ("he's mad today because he's a Hillary supporter and she lost the debate") yet the office still gets calls about it.
DevinTheGrand ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:15:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sucks that it so easy to fire teachers in the states.
hitops1 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 05:04:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's nearly impossible to for teachers in most areas of the states. They have one or the lowest rates of firing of any profession. This is part of the problem.
actuallycallie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:58:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a state with no teacher's unions. Principals whined all the time how hard it was to get rid of people. Yet whenever I served on an evaulation committee, which was me and a principal, I would do all the required documentation and observations and the principal would show up on the last day of the observation period and watch for 5 minutes. No, you should not be able to fire someone if you can't be bothered to set foot in their classroom and actually watch them do their job. If you follow the process, it's not that hard.
mesocookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's in NJ, which, from what I hear (I don't live in NJ), is not a teacher-friendly state. Not sure if that makes a difference.
[deleted] ยท 8213 points ยท Posted at 16:53:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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reallifelucas ยท 3058 points ยท Posted at 17:48:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The Emperor has No Balls"
relevant_hemingway ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 19:56:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Really," Romero said in Spanish. "He looks a lot like Villalta. What does the drunken one do?"
"Nothing."
"Is that why he drinks?"
"No. He's waiting to marry this lady."
"Tell him bulls have no balls!" Mike shouted, very drunk, from the other end of the table.
"What does he say?"
"He's drunk."
"Jake," Mike called. "Tell him bulls have no balls!"
"You understand?" I said.
"Yes."
I was sure he didn't, so it was all right.
reallifelucas ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:58:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you just have a list of Hemingway quotes on hand with a separate list of situations to use them in?
everred ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:34:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, would he be u/relevant_hemingway if he didn't?
Cockatoo010 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had to...
"Enserio, se parece mucho a Villalta. ยฟQue hace el borracho?"
"Nada" "ยฟEs por eso que bebe?"
"No. Estรก esperando casarse con esta dama"
"ยกDile que los toros no tienen pelotas!" Grito Mike, muy borracho, del otro lado de la mesa.
"ยฟque dice?"
" Estรก ebrio"
"Jake" dijo Mike. "ยกDile que los toros no tienen pelotas!"
"ยฟentiendes?" Dije
"Si"
Estoy seguro que no lo entendรญa, asรญ que estaba bien.
H_man99 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:14:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The emperor has no clothes"
/r/unexpectedhamilton
ohno_itsadragon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It must be nice! It must be nice!
H_man99 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:04:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To have Washington on your side!
windolf7 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:07:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SOUTHERN MOTHERFUCKING DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICANS!
_Keldt_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:52:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The emperor really has no clothes on
And his skin is peeling off"
/r/accidentalradiohead
NotoriousRetard ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:09:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That explains why he doesnt need to wear clothes
The_Hectic_Glow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This actually raises an interesting point... if you don't have a dick, can you just walk around naked? Can they arrest you for indecent exposure if you don't have genitals?
I guess you're still showing your ass...
NotoriousRetard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like eunichs? Ive wondered that too
TheOGRaider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I have no ass.
Famixofpower ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:26:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, he uses lightning streams. They're more effective at killing Samuel L Jackson
PlebbySpaff ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:24:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the Emperor has a new groove
Drpepperbob ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:02:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://thetab.com/us/2016/08/18/trump-statue-48716
Dr_Ghamorra ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:56:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The clown has no penis"
randomacount420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:10:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rev's chainsword
parabellummatt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loads bolter.
Ironwarsmith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kneels in prayer to the GodEmperah, muttering holy catechisms of loyalty.
Nickvsxtn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God Emperor*
RafeHaab ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what we call an "Empress".
NEXT_VICTIM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that make them the empress?
quacktarwolverine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. You know women aren't just men without testicles, right?
JakeWasAlreadyTaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His hands are supposedly very large, which he claims means "thereโs no problem" in that department.
ThorGodofAll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The Emperor's New Wall"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor's New Balls
cogenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The Emperor's new Balls"
illradhab ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The Emperor has Tiny Balls and No Dick"
ftfy
retrofuturist ยท 167 points ยท Posted at 20:07:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I came across a similar misunderstanding when Netflix released The Ridiculous Six. My wife passed the living room and asked what I was watching. A little ashamed, I mumbled the title. "What? Dickless sex?" was her response.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:09:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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retrofuturist ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:14:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would've had less shame watching that.
oslosyndrome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:08:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which part of New Zealand are you guys from?
17Hongo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adam Hills has this fantastic story about his Gran: apparently when she was getting a bit older she started going deaf. Which wasn't that much of an issue, until during a Christmas church service the reverend says "We will now sing the Christmas carol 'Deck the Halls'".
His gran gets rather worked up at this, saying "I've never sung that before in my life! What sort of a carol is that?".
Adam and his family are all saying "What do you mean? You've sung it loads of times!".
His gran adamantly denies it, stating "No I haven't! I've never sung 'Dick the Horse'!".
[deleted] ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 19:06:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheExtremistModerate ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:47:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's mass hysteria! Dogs and cats living together!
Xtinguish ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:44:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well than what the hell is he thinking with?
agamemnonymous ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:23:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I've heard
the_new_throwaway13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get him outta here.
35Fuckup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's dickless Denis!
monsto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's what I heard!
SadGhoster87 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:17:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neigh-heigh-heigh-heh
Erinysceidae ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 18:49:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so glad your friend asked the boy what he meant, instead of just chiding him for saying something that sounded rude. Your friend is a good teacher :)
Also, the way he acta, I would not be surprised if Trump is practically dickless.
northbud ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:01:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean his hands are pretty small.
MinnieMouse2292 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:57:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is the funniest one in the thread !
lightrider44 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:14:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes your honor it's true...this candidate has no dick.
ArtaxNOOOOOO ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:20:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son pronounces it "dick-you-rus" but he's four and has trouble with his L sounds.
foxh8er ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:17:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, considering the size of his hands...
ferociousPAWS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:15:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, fearing a nonexistent threat enough to build a massive wall is pretty dickless
SteelTheWolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the mouth of babes comes inadvertent yet cutting political satire, apparently.
Slinkyfest2005 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well good on him for not getting the kid suspended over a misunderstanding.
samgoatford ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:56:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this shit is fucking ridikkulus
brickmaster32000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would certainly hope the wall would be dickless.
Mario_lib ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you repeat that word with child accent it sound so sweet.
MissesMcCrabby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a friend in elementary school that said dickerless. I kept that going all through highschool. Signed it in her yearbook every year and such.
Cobaltplasma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Is this true?" "Yes, your Honor. This man has no dick."
carnifax23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amir?
introversed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also dickless
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is funny because most of the time building giant structures is seen as an analogue to giant dicks.
G8kpr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend said that way back in the early 80s, his little brother came home one day from kindergarten and told his mom that another boy said a bad word. His mother asked him what the boy said, his brother was reluctant but finally said "it was snack time, and [boy] said "These crackers taste like fucking dog shit"
DylanTheVillian1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, he ain't wrong.
Venusupreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I expected to find out that he heard that from an older sibling of his.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's true, this man has no dick
hoppedup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump, much like myself, is dickless for Michael Chiklis.
amrobi18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump will indeed be dickless one day, perhaps soon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee you.
Solar-Salor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Is this True?"
"Yes, it's true, this man has no dick"
aljoburke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno I like saying he's dickless
El_Q ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LE GEM!
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He does have little hands.
CountVonNeckbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this true?
"Yes, this man has no dick"
heyitsbubby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll go dickless for micheal chiklis
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not dickless. He just has small hands.
BaxInBlack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Is that true?
"Yes, this man has no penis"
demetri_k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump does have those tiny hands.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's true. This man has no dick."
crashing_this_thread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:35:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it's there. His hands are small, but they aren't gone.
Woaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well hes technically not the only one in this election...
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Wackydetective ยท 5504 points ยท Posted at 15:55:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My nephew said, "Donald Trump hates women and Hillary has secret emails." I thought he thought about rainbows and candy corn. We are also Canadians.
[deleted] ยท 1214 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How old is the little man?
MissChievousJ ยท 5314 points ยท Posted at 17:35:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
36
MrNaked ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 17:56:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And his name? Albert Einstein.
notfromchicago ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 18:19:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wicked smaht.
dtlv5813 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:23:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is not your fault
Maveric315 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:09:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't fuck with me Sean! Not you."
Badgeredy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know. Sniff
sordfysh ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS!
Itty bitty living space!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:00:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy fucks!
G8kpr ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:43:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also volunteered for the fire department during 9/11
Itsnotmeitsyouworld ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:00:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We talkin bout Steve Buscemi again??
G8kpr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3RD BASE!!
hawt1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA
dead dead dead meeeeeme dead dead dead meeeeeme
kiddo51 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:42:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Months?
NotThisFucker ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:50:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
cody712 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seconds
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:56:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
MissChievousJ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
danubian1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades.
WuTangWizard ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
sendmepicsofyourbutt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:53:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
CrushedMemes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
mutemoo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:56:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Centuries
HoboMcJoey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:02:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Millenniums
NunyaBidnit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dem dern milleniums... Thank the whirlt o's um su'um.
tonycomputerguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eons
MagFrag5891 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Galactic years
mutemoo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:07:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Valve years
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ScurvyRobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wins
yshuduno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me you've been dead for centuries.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades.
CockGobblin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10's of years
UnhackableWaffle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Centuries
ReaderWalrus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
codex561 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
General_Dongdiddler ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Decades
OwnagePwnage123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:04:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AND A HALF!
awesomebman123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ftfy
KeNNethX66 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have a winner.
608_esaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a half
SeanTheTranslator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! You're not /u/Wackydetective!
jim5cents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the exchange rate means that he is about 14 American.
allthegoodweretaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I blew out an exceptionally huge amount of air through my nose, reading your comment
nickfree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're so precious at the age aren't they? Soon he'll be financing a little red sports car of his very own and everything!
Suhn-Sol-Jashin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Dinklage, right?
FuckyesMcHellyeah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They asked for age, not height.
NunyaBidnit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eeee's just a bwaa!
thedefinitionofidiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Canadians do live to be 1200 years old on average and often aren't said to be mature adults until 250.
Brutusbongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that were true he would vote for trump
DoctorHugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:21:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suddenly the term "little man" seems demeaning...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Olydon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:54:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I exploded
CockGobblin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:59:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10 American Years Old. You convert it to Canadian age.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:12:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well the canadian year has been slipping in value lately. I need an updated table to determine actual age.
CockGobblin ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:26:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1 Canadian Year = 4.5 Danish Years
0.25 Danish Years = 14 Elf Years
800 Elf Years = 1 Yoda Year
4000 Yoda Years = 10.5 Mel Gibson Year
69 Mel Gibson Years = 0.000314i American Year
You do the math!
TheGamedawg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:06:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
336 months
LateAsAlways2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a beautiful setup.
TheSelfRefName ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's 28 years old, he's a fucking embarrasment
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Verne is 47.
DSPR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
59 then
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
59
jesusporkchop ยท 921 points ยท Posted at 17:53:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a fellow Canadian, I was watching tv with my son and a commercial for the History Channel came on, cue image of Hitler.
My son, "Is that Hillary Clinton?"
Me, to wife, "Honey, Your son is turning into your father."
pyronius ยท 197 points ยท Posted at 23:18:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont believe you because the history channel woukd never play anything about WWII. These days its all about pitbulls, midgets, and secret alien layers beneath the pyramids.
chooglemaster3000 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 00:38:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
member when the history channel was basically the WWII channel?
IvanTheCreator ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 05:54:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐I memeber ๐
Almainyny ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or better yet, the show Dogfights (as in aircraft) was on forever. I could watch those for days.
Mander0123456789 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:18:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when the history channel was basically the WWII channel. I worked in a nursing home at the time and witnessed an old man see a much younger version of himself. It was a really intense moment of realization for me.
BadMantaRay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, yes. Stumbling upon a marathon of Tales of the Gun was my favorite!
mjmannella ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:50:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget pawn shops
OmegaQuake ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:01:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure about the pawn shops, let me call in an expert....
northrupthebandgeek ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:24:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You never know what'll come through that channel.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Chihuahua_enthusiast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:01:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dale
Definitely_not_Alice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get ads for ww2 shows on other channels. Kind of ironic ๐
CaptainKatsuuura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:17:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did hitler predict the aliens at Giza? tonight, 9/10 central
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ROFL
angry_chair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:30:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitlary clinton?
3xist3nc3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:44:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hilladolf Clitler.
X7_hs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:04:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but I have a problem believing this.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:20:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your son is hilarious
thebad_comedian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is beautiful.
notLOL ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't watch that show. How strong is the case that she is?
Problem119V-0800 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:12:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not as strong as the case that she's a time-traveling alien, as it turns out. But pretty strong.
ElonMusk0fficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha related
https://twitter.com/hillaryorhitler
made this twitter account a while ago but sadly gave up after one day
Sekolah ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:16:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww man, that's gold right there
northrupthebandgeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd join Twitter (or maybe rejoin; I may or may not have an account floating around somewhere) just to follow you.
ElonMusk0fficial ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:31:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol should i start that account back up? all the quotes are just hers considering i dont speak german lol
OpinesOnThings ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good for your son taking after someone with a bit of wisdom then.
DaTigerMan ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:17:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wew lad
JAKPiano3412 ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 21:24:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's justin trudeau
[deleted] ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 17:42:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the best TL;DR versions of the 2016 election I've ever heard. :)
mineymonkey ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:58:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems plausible.
OpinesOnThings ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 20:01:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems more plausible.
I vote ineffective moron over effective villain any day of the week. The biggest decider for you all should be "who is the most capable?" Then pick the other.
DangerAwar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:19:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you turning this into an actual political thing
Especially when your opinion is that stupid
How is Trump going to be sidelined when the House is 100% guaranteed to be Republican and the Senate has at least a 50-50 chance of being Republican
They'll use him to appoint conservative justices and overturn Roe v Wade and gay marriage and implement all the socially backwards shit they've wanted for years, and he'll try to fight the whole Middle East (I mean, shit, did you not hear him say he'd fucking first strike Iran?) while continuing to fellate Putin
Meanwhile, Hillary has been investigated for 30 years by angry republicans who have spent a billion dollars on trying to find criminal activity and they couldn't find shit
I'm gonna go ahead and trust the woman who doesn't hate me for my skin color over the asshole who hates everyone who isn't white and straight and only values women based on how attractive and receptive to sexual assault they are
OpinesOnThings ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 20:38:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be clear here. Trump does not really have republican support, he may as well be an independent candidate. He actually has several leftwing policies that out do even the Democrats at their best. Name one racist sentence or policy he advocates?
In theory trump will be a figurehead and republicans can finally start cleaning the system as the congressional oversight commitee takes centre stage. His few policies will sideline himself leaving the country under the control of what I consider to be fairly ethical guidance. Ignore him and vote for congressional oversight.
DangerAwar ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:01:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's going to stop them from approving his justices when they're anti-gay and anti-abortion? Fuck no, they'll work with him on that and his other conservative positions
Name them
Stop and frisk
The wall
Banning Muslims from entering the US
Gee that was easy
In practice, they're going to use him to push the positions they agree on and then block him from doing things they don't agree with, like spending 20 billion dollars to build a wall
JAKPiano3412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sick of the anti gay stuff. The Supreme Court ruled on it, marriage is legal. Maybe they'll say that if a bakery doesn't want to make a cake for a pride parade, they don't have to. But they're not going to repeal gay marriage or anything, calm the fuck down. And honestly, I'd be surprised if the Republicans retained both houses.
DangerAwar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:32:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not stopping republicans from trying to get Roe v Wade looked at again, why do you think it's gonna stop them changing something as recent as this
And inevitably that'll get stretched into freedom of religion which will be used to deny all services to gay people
JAKPiano3412 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, so let's assume that we live in a capitalist system, which we do. And in this system, people can create businesses, and try and make money. People can also choose which business to give their money to in exchange for products. If they don't like a business, for whatever reason, they don't have to serve them. And if one shop says they don't want to serve gays, well, in this age of social media, it's probably the death of that shop. The businesses, just like the people will do what they will, and as long as they aren't actually trying to cause harm to others, which they aren't in this scenario, then they are free to do what they wish. Now, if you say that I am wrong in this, then you are by extension supporting the very same Republicans you've probably accused of being islamophobic. You say we have to accommodate people who are different, yet force others to ignore their different beliefs in order to accommodate other groups, essentially making a hierarchy of minorities.
DangerAwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this argument is utter bullshit because in places like the south homophobia is rampant and so basically you're saying "sucks to be you, shouldn't have lived somewhere homophobic if you wanted to be able to buy things"
Are you fucking joking
This is such a terrible false equivalency that I don't even know how to argue with it because it's actual nonsense
JAKPiano3412 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please. In the grocery store, do you go to the cashier and say "hello, I'm gay, now serve me?" it is only an issue in places like that when you want it to become an issue.
Have you ever actually been to "the south?" also, what do you define as "the south?" because I've been to a lot of southern States, and literally nobody gives a fuck as long as nobody is obnoxious or rude about it. Which is true for basically every cause, in every place.
It without a doubt means you're saying that a gay person's right to not go to the agnostic bakery next door and instead forcibly patronize the Christian bakery is more important than someone's right to have their own beliefs as an individual.
Im_A_BBQ_Grill ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:53:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not white, and I can tell you that not a single one of those are racist.
So much for being "easy".
DangerAwar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:00:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop and frisk targets black and brown people disproportionately
The wall is fearmongering against Mexicans
Banning Muslims would essentially come down to banning anyone who looks Arab, you know they're never going to test white people to check their religion
They're all racist
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DangerAwar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:29:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guess who the police call suspicious
Stats can absolutely be used to lie and anyway stop and frisk did not drop the crime rate at all: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/22/donald-trump-claims-new-yorks-stop-and-frisk-policy-reduced-crime-the-data-disagree/
"They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Yeah ok
It's literally just feamongering about how the scary brown people bring crime
Because he got called out on how fucking racist this is
And when you add in all the racist statements he's made and the racist things he's done (Central park 5, renting refusal, casino policies), he's clearly racist
Im_A_BBQ_Grill ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have to perform some mental gymnastics to confirm your point, then maybe your point lacks merit.
Statistics are lies until they agree with me.
DangerAwar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You wanna know how stats can be used to lie? Take this for example - "Black people commit more crime than white people"
You can quote crime statistics and prove that black people are inherently criminals, except that's bullshit - they get stopped/investigated more often, they get sentenced for things white people can get away with, they generally have lower incomes making them more likely to commit crime, but that doesn't mean they're inherently criminals; their circumstances simply make them more likely to be arrested
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:05:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DangerAwar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you don't think there's any implicit bias in that? You've never seen people shy away from a black man in a hoodie at night while ignoring white guys in hoodies?
As for your thing on how stop and frisk should be implemented, observing someone selling drugs or acting violently is already enough reason to make an arrest so I have no clue how that's relevant
And finally, while he may have been praised by Rev. Jackson 20 years back, today Jackson says he is not the same man. He's clearly not pro-LGBT now, considering he wants to overturn the supreme court decision allowing them to marry
Thank god Trump is trailing behind Hillary massively, in 1 month I can finally be done with listening to bullshit about how he's somehow okay and not a blight upon america
secondsteep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Next question!"
Saint947 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:57:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And also entirely inaccurate.
Saying Donald Trump hates women is a flat out fucking lie.
He's a red blooded, heterosexual American.
I know that's a crime nowadays, because the media is literally destroying him for it.
EnigmaScientist ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:34:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He knows more about politics than 30% of the US
pandaSmore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if serious.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:31:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hates women? More like loves them too much.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Por que no los dos?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
America is living in your families head rent free
shroomer1145 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:27:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This kid knows what's up.
locks_are_paranoid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:28:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is 100% true.
roosevelt37 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually pretty on point.
lkjhgfdsamnbvcx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that kid's gonna get sued..
-Njala- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could have told you he thinks about more sophisticated things. Like Twix. Candy corn is the worst candy ever.
ratchet457l ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:55:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If dont take that back I swear to God you will rue the fucking day. I will tear your spleen from your torso, shove them in your ears, wiggle them around to liquify what is left of your peanut brain, and drain it out. I will then pour it down your throat, stick a pike down, and throw a match in. You will rue the fucking day.
Easilycrazyhat ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:28:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like candy corn, too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is a candy corn?
I know they're an American Halloween sweet that look like a little orange, yellow and white triangle, but what does one taste of?
MipselledUsername ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:11:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Kind of like sweet soft wax (like a candle reaching room temp) it tastes like caramel and corn syrup
Despite the circle jerk, it's actually pretty good until you eat too much. You'll always eat too much. It usually only pops up around halloween
If you're looking for some online, Brach is the gold standard
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:16:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They look like this.
The taste can vary depending on the seller, some had weird food colours that were bitter.
Have you ever had a glazed donut? It tastes a lot like the glaze itself, but has a stronger vanilla + butter taste. Kind of like butterscotch, if you've ever had that before. Basically it's a candy that tastes strongly of sugar glaze with a hint of butterscotch, from my memory.
ToroZuzuX ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:52:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Candy corn tastes like the year 1911. There is no explanation for how a year can be a taste, but it just is.
brickmack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousins buy multiple bags of it this time of year, every year.
BoxOfDust ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's not wrong.
JagManiac316 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew Canadians thought of rainbows and candy corn. Just add hockey and there ya go... now you know what's going on inside a Canadian's brain.
Sk0ly ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:39:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are forgetting maple syrup and free health care
Wackydetective ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that a kid knows about Hillary having secret emails is impressive!
Joliet_Jake_Blues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary's "secret emails" are looking pretty smart now that Russia has hacked everyone except her.
HiltonSouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty spot on
thelastsummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an American, I think about rainbows and candy corn like 89% of the time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's right
supercede ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, pretty much.
jeffmcd12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He pretty much nailed it.
Steffinily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8 year old nephew told me the other day that "Trump is a very bad person". He normally likes villains, he even "voted" for Mitt Romney at school because my sister told him he wasn't a nice guy. But Trump... Nephew does not like him.
crashing_this_thread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:36:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me, there is no end to how horrible Trump is, but I still can't pick Hillary.
super_reddit_lurker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:39:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Canadians only thought about hockey, beer, and maple syrup.
wigwam2323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he loves women, maybe a bit much. Sometimes that can be confused with hate.
ponytatoronto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not something you should teach kids...
wigwam2323 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At some point, it might be relevant. Abusive parents often suffer from this.
TheFlashFrame ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:49:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Unfortunately "secret emails" doesn't really do it justice whereas "hates women" is a bit unfair. Still impressive though.
EDIT: I mean... biases aside guys. Is "secret emails" really the same to a child as "hates women"? A child understands that its wrong to hate an entire gender of human beings. But does a child get that these "secret emails" are highly illegal to possess? Difference is that "secret emails" is selling the truth short and "hates women" is a straight up fabrication. I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm not a Hillary supporter. I think they're both lunatics. But I'm just being fair here. Unlike you guys.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:57:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you gone done it now, makin sense and shit.
spaceodyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump defense force assemblllleee!!
Famixofpower ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:31:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have secret emails, too. Am I going to jail for not responding to that V!@grA ad?
Rawblen ยท 194 points ยท Posted at 18:19:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son's classmate said if Trump becomes president he'll be America's first orange president.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:13:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Carrot-American, not Orange.
lydsbane ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:23:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Offensive to carrots.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:41:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not wrong.
TD_70 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't we all saying that?
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 2426 points ยท Posted at 15:55:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher, but I worked at a summer camp this past summer with kids from ages 7-10, and it was a very expensive camp, so some of the parents were more conservative. When an older camper (16-17) made a trump joke, this kid (8) said "hey don't make fun of trump! He's going to make America great again and kick out the Mexicans!".
[deleted] ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 18:11:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... why was there a 16-17 year old camper at a camp for 7-10 year olds?
UnNumbFool ยท 280 points ยท Posted at 18:34:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure /u/punchmeinthedick works with with the 7-10 year olds, not that the camp is only filled with 7-10 year old kids.
I'm also pretty sure working with kids that age at a summer camp explains the username
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 18:42:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kids could be really annoying, but it was so much fun. I don't want to give away what camp it is, but it's in a really nice area so days and nights off were a lot of fun. None of the kids punched me in the dick though, but one jumped on my shoulders when I had an awful sunburn, which was very painful
Dykam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of summer camp is nearby lots of fun? I worked at one a few summers ago and the only thing nearby was a bar fitting 5 people.
I now wish I went there again this time. It was a rich kid camp, and I would've enjoyed messing with their political, eh, idea's.
Would've loved to be back in general... Most of the kids are great there. Except that guy who tried to have me let him off the bus by offering me $20, you spoiled fuck.
23drag ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:47:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mate you should of said 10x it if there rich they probs have that as a napkin, could've been a littler earner.
Dykam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was after 7 weeks of camp, their wallet ran out. Could've tried 3x.
J/k. They asked the wrong person, as I was probably the only non-college-kid in the group of counselors.
23drag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well thats just bad planing if your gonna bribe somehow atleast bribe the poor uni kid hahaha
Cisiowian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:28:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should probably not work with kids.
Dykam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? For having fun with them? Emphasis with. I wasn't going to mentally twist them or whatever you're imagining.
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 18:40:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The camp has over 300 campers at a time. There is a program for the high school age campers to become counselors when they turn 18 so they accept kids between the ages of 7-13, with the ages 14-17 all for the junior counselor program. Kids of all ages can be in certain activities with each other, others are age limited. They all live in different cabins though
markimus1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:30:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I worked at the same camp as you, but a couple years back. You were a counselor for the "big hairy chested men" aka junior scouts? If so, Trump's niece/nephew were campers there while I was a counselor and even they thought he was a jerk.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:22:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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satansheat ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 18:59:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have none of you all seen wet hot American summer. Those camp counsellors are around the age of 17-19. You all need to move past the fact that not everyone at a summer camp is there just for the summer camp activities. I have already seen 3 people ask why a 17 year old would be there. We don't just send 7-10 year olds off to camp with no one to watch them.
mnbvcxzsdfghjkl ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:01:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but OP said "an older camper"
satansheat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:48:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit. Then yeah now I'm asking as well. Why such old ass campers.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:23:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably so they can become camp counselors when they turn 18. It's probably better than telling 10 year olds to come back in 8 years to be a counselor.
ShamrockShart ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:06:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CIT programs. Counselor In Training. 16 and 17 year old campers who have been going every year for their whole childhood get to come again and see all their best friends they sometimes don't get to see all year long. They get a mixture of practicing learning to be Counselors and getting to do their own canoe trips, etc. They love being there and get some real (supervised) responsibility and the camp gets dedicated, loyal, pre-trained counselors who will likely work there the next two or three summers after graduating High School.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:34:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I think the camp is for many different ages, but OP worked with the 7-10 year olds
Coming2amiddle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:24:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read "wanked" instead of "worked" and was confused and disturbed.
Iwanttolink ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why shouldn't there be?
KingKrisspyKream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
;)
TheToastIsBlue ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 18:48:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, what's the capital of Thailand?
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heh. That's a good one
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wanna know my two favorite countries? Iraq and Iran.
TheToastIsBlue ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:26:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Sysiphuslove ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:34:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The great irony is that Hispanic and Latino people have been here longer than the US has been a nation
bitwise97 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 18:51:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of the mouths of babes. Kids are like parrots that repeat what is said in their household. I often wonder what others know about my own.
jaxder_jared ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:10:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
the_kgb ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:32:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Four Winds / Westward Ho, Jesus Christ...
leova ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i've been on /r/see too much, i assumed that (8) was actually [8], and got really concerned as to what kind of camp you were at!
ShadowWolf58 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this week on "You Raised Your Child A Racist"...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What u tryna say fam
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:39:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was just an observation of mine. Trump stickers and that kind of thing on the cars dropping the kids off. Almost all the families ranged from well off to stupidly wealthy and after talking to parents and kids, it seemed like most of them were more conservative. I'm not saying most wealthy people in general are conservative, but just the ones at the camp were
ZakenPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you discern whether a rich person is liberal or conservative? It's not something I can generally do.
SomethingWithMittens ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:00:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I instinctively wanted to downvote you and had to remind myself that it's not YOU who needs a little spank.
edit: your username however..
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:04:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The worst part was the kids parents worked at the camp (as upper staff, not counselors like me) ... so the parents of the kid who was clearly indoctrinated by his parents pretty much. No matter what your political views, you shouldn't do that to your kids.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Ironic of you two to talk about "indoctrination".
skyvex1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, isn't that nice.
AlexJohnsonSays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Punch Him In The Dick
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:40:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the real though, they push the "never hit a camper" thing really hard before the campers get there and I always thought "pssh, I would never hit a kid" but after 5 of the 7 weeks I was there with the kids, wew. I would have loved to because they were so annoying sometimes
markimus1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, now I'm sure we worked at the same camp... I still vividly remember that pretty weird dude M.H. saying never hit a camper over and over while trying to make eye contact with all the 80+ counselors.
SunMoonTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has so much to be proud of. I can only imagine this is what it was like when kids were scrambling to sign up for the Hitler Youth. Oh to be young and to believe!
mouseburgers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was expensive = parents were conservative.
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I replied to someone else explaining why I said that. I didn't mean to say it like that but if you look at my other explanation, it makes sense
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your country is doomed :|
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know :(
introversed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
-sweaty- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
gresh88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol dat implication
92Hippie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So conservatives make more money huh?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's conservatives for ya
Dennis__Reynolds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thatHappened
PunchMeInTheDick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish buddy. I heard some weird shit as a camp counselor this summer, and this was far from the weirdest
Dennis__Reynolds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that weird, actually. On paper, he sounds like a typical politician
KingKrisspyKream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh
Umikaloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a camp in Canada, even the hicks don't believe in Donald Trump
appa311 ยท 11781 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This is high school but one kid said Hillary Clinton did not have much experience in office because she was just a secretary
Edit-this was in Canada so that might be why the kid did not know
2nd edit- like fifty people have already said the "since you were his secretary how did Obama like his coffee I bet it was like him weak" so if you thought of it you're too late
QuietsYou ยท 3420 points ยท Posted at 16:59:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oof that hurts
Mr_Caterpillar ยท 1986 points ยท Posted at 17:55:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should have called herself Administrative Assistant of State
the_visalian ยท 912 points ยท Posted at 18:12:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit, Dwight. Assistant TO the administration!
wait_what_how_do_I ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:10:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dwight, you ignorant slut.
songbolt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The AAPM: "They're not medical physics assistants: They're medical physicist assistants."
The Catholic Church (on lay people handing out the Body of Christ): "They're not Eucharistic Ministers: They're Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. Only the priests are Eucharistic Ministers."
BloodFartTheQueefer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:48:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Absolutely I do"
rcattt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And every administration needs a strong A.A.R.M.
jeezone ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:42:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or assistant to the administrative assistant of state
SmillWithBB ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assistant to the secretary of state
huckler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just got hired as an Administrative Assistant. I'm basically a secretary. Ha
Funkky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Administrative Assistant is the PC title that replaced Secretary, so you are literally a Secretary with an updated title.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assistant TO the head of state
Tamerlane-1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Director of State?
D1nk1n_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assistant to the Administrative Assistant of State.
TG803 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Receptionist of State
Bananawamajama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I were to get appointed as something I'd like to be Intern of the Interior
ronnie888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Administrative Assistant to the State
FTFY
danbanifa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Administrative assistant TO the state.
lpsofacto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Girl Friday of the State?
Pseuzq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She would have gotten too many flowers and quirky coffee cups.
Crankrune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Administrative Assistant to the state.
scottshott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assistant Regional Manager of the State
Phylar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, "Assistant". Quick, somebody call Intern~I mean, ASSISTANT Clinton!
HelenGon ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mad shorthand skills tho. STILL more qualified than Trump!
EsQuiteMexican ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey. Trump might not have shorthand skills, but I'll be damned if he doesn't have short finger skills.
HelenGon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ooo naazzz!
TundieRice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it in an insulting way, just a "this kid is a dumbass and actually thinks she had the role of an office secretary" way.
NectarCollecting ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't wrong
whiteknight521 ยท 706 points ยท Posted at 17:53:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/KenM
danhern ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 19:50:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
we are ALL secretaries on this blessed day
the_undine ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:55:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:09:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Tom-Clancy ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:16:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dolt.
Workaphobia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedbenstiller
Fiery1Phoenix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
danhern ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
very STUPID comment...
stanleythemanley44 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:58:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pastor says...
TheoX747 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for introducing me to that.
V1russ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/KenBone
Edit: I posted this ironically, wasn't aware it was an actual subreddit...
AweBlobfish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/KenBone
[deleted] ยท 907 points ยท Posted at 17:22:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And lo and behold as a blessed troll was born.
[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 17:54:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:02:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Auctoritate ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:25:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ we need new jokes.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:42:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We need more perfect scores on the STDs so we can get into college.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:26:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_YOUR_PM_PHOTOS ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself
cronos844 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:27:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me I need new jokes.
A_favorite_rug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
New jokes? You hardly know her!
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
we are all jokes on this blessed day
KommanderKrebs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FOR YOU
pdrocker1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UUUU
Thanos_Stomps ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself
_pupil_ ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:05:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This kid should be given a seat in the Trump campaigns management. That line of attack is better than what they've been using for weeks...
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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theniceguytroll ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:19:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
J4Seriously ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:29:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/pol/ really needs to work on their PR.
r_slash_squid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:28:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skankhunt42
Wildaz81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are all trolls on this blessed day.
5k1895 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are ALL trolls on this blessed day ;)
littlecampbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are ALL blessed trolls on this blessed day
mgraunk ยท 1267 points ยท Posted at 17:24:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's stupid, secretaries have tons of experience working in an office
NotThisFucker ยท 289 points ยท Posted at 17:49:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fighting fire with fire, I see
johannes101 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:09:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But typically only rectangular or square ones, oval is just right out
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:17:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids are from CANADA. You from Canada, too?
mimibrightzola ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:42:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are all Canadians on this blessed day...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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AuroraHalsey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am all Canadians on this blessed day.
PM_ME_JAR_JAR_NUDES ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:31:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but does she have experience with offices that are ovoid rather than rectangular? You can't just expect that this sort of experience transfers laterally.
sevenyearsquint ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:24:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just ask Hilary's husband
Venusupreme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which one?
sevenyearsquint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is usually the secretaries who know ALL that is going on.
yourmomknowsit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, they've got experience doing all sorts of jobs.
ChuckS117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked in two places which were basically run by the secretaries. The guys they worked for never knew what was going on or were never present.
Koolaidguy541 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Secretaries do all the paperwork and hear all the backroom and front room gossip. They have dossiers on everyone.
TLDR: Be nice to the secretary.
PuppiePurr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of them even upright!
Brutusbongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her husbands secretary was very experienced. Though a lot of her dealings were under the table.
Eurynom0s ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 18:39:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how giving the CEO blowjobs under the desk gives you relevant presidential experience.
OrphanWaffles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you graduate high school you'll learn buddy. It's okay to be an idiot now, let it all out!
Merci_cedric ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Secretary to the state.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:37:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I disagree with Hillary Clinton on things, nobody can say she doesn't have the experience to back her up. Law school and beyond... she has a lot of very varied experience.
Trump, on the other hand, was at the top of his class at clown college.
ObsessionObsessor ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:06:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Law school at Harvard.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:15:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump didn't go to law school, Clinton went to Yale.
iushciuweiush ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And failed the bar in DC even though her classmates at Yale had a 95% first time pass rate.
These-Days ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:22:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet being a secretary in the White House is still more political experience than Trump
lkjhgfdsamnbvcx ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:13:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a secretary at the DMV is more political experience than Trump has.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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These-Days ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:51:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe people are just latching on the racist because non-politicians have nothing to lose by spouting the nonsense that he does.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:54:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school... Jesus
LRedditor15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was cute at first but now checking again and seeing that it's a high schooler, it's actually kinda sad.
katiethered ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 17:05:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, I think a lot of adults probably hold this same opinion.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:01:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, you think high school kids in the US know what the Secretary of State actually is?
columbus8myhw ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:49:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After listening to Hamilton, maybe
HotPantsHQ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see Daveed Diggs play Hillary Clinton.
columbus8myhw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, wow, Clinton raps.
itisrainingdownhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine what an awesome musical 2016 is going to be one day.
columbus8myhw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of this quote, from 1908:
TacticalCanine ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a reminder that some highschoolers are eligible to vote
spence120 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:01:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes, you can definitely vote in the us elections in Canada
Costco1L ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the post above this one.
spence120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're retarded my dude
brickmack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL KenM has a teenage son
theinternetswife ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:15:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Hilarious!
rpgjunki3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:43:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if accidental pun or I'm ruining it.
LaBelleCommaFucker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:33:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus riverdancing Christ.
justjuggs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend said the same thing to me recently....he is in his 3rd year of University however.
brokenfingersclap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It makes it really sad that these were high schoolers.
___Snoke___ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:45:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if they haven't been educated on American governmental positions (as this was in Canada), they may not know that Secretary of _______ = Minister of ______.
brokenfingersclap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I realize this, the edit made that quite clear.
ofthedappersort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he was Canadian after all
treebee69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviousoly a joke, and in my opinion a funny one.
ReptiRo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so interested by the fact that Canadians are so interested in American politics. Why is this?
appa311 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not much else to do honestly
jingowatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that's why Trump kept stressing it in the first debate.
Grim-Sleeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, "foreign minister" is a missionary sent abroad? And the German "chancellor" only deals with payroll questions?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
KenM jr.
SirDigbyChknCaesar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the title Administrative Assistant of State.
locks_are_paranoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember I was watching a sitcom and a really dumb character said something like that.
TheObviousChild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When she was Obama's secretary, did she make his coffee like him? ... Weak
Jordaneer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So does that mean great leader Kim has no experience, because he is great secretary of best Korea
LOHare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell him Secretary in US system is like a Cabinet Minister in Parliament, except secretaries are appointed without being elected.
Overpricefridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair she does look like every secretary at ever elementary school ever
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically enough her record with all the scandals and corruption as Secretary of State makes her significantly less attractive as a president.
dropdgmz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dammed himself right there
JackHarrison1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called a secretary in other countries too, so I doubt it's because it was in Canada, just a misunderstanding.
coleman57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And here I thought Canadian high-school students were smarter than Americans.
paladin10025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In high school a friend liked to say his dad was a secretary. His dad had an undergrad princeton degree and a mba from harvard and they lived in a big house. Its good to be on the board of a major oil company and be the secretary.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She might be just a secretary, but wait until you see how many times she hits the delete button per minute!
AnonymousHerbMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... He was right for the wrong reason
Johanneskodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same mistake was made by a big German newspaper. And it was as embarassing as it sounds.
Fuzzy_lips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an American that just graduated high school not long ago, I don't think I'd know that either in high school..
ahurlly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're not his civics teacher...
SchpartyOn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally surprised Trump hasn't used this one!
Sandblast_That_Ass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...That's Why Monica Lewinsky should be running instead. Paging r/monicalewinsky/
something_python ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine was just some guy called David, who's someone's secretary.
He's the Home Secretary, Jeremy!
darthdelicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kid needs to get out more. Everyone knows that the secretary knows everything that's going on.
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell does a minister know about governing? Why does that enable him to become the PRIME minister???
TheBeardedMarxist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know adults here in the states that probably think the same thing.
Dravarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
since you were his secretary how did Obama like his coffee I bet it was like him weak
1Darkest_Knight1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he'd like it strong and black with a tiny bit of sugar.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol very sorry that you're getting harassed by the asshole population of America. I promise we're not all like that.
JasonF1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That coffee joke is from "Between Two Ferns" interview of Hillary, weeks ago.
608_esaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think "black" is a better answer. Q
GreatStuffOnly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is the position called secretary anyways๏ผ
essenoh2you ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in 10th grade during the 2008 election. All I heard all the damn time was how "we'll get into a war once a month" because Hillary is a woman. High schoolers are fucked up.
alaninsitges ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And even that demonstrates more awareness than huge portion of the electorate.
Arancaytar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same with Ban Ki-Moon. Though he's a Secretary-General, so I guess he's got military experience at least.
WorkerBee74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:19 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a fellow Canadian, have to say that this kid is just an idiot.
JSBraga ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:52:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh... well...
Can't really argue with that logic.
smiles134 ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:27:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess, if you're an idiot
quantum-mechanic ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You enjoy arguing with yourself?
crooked_clinton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My non-native English speaker wife said something like this. "She went from Senator to Obama's secretary, how can she be qualified for president if she got demoted?" Thankfully she is on the Trump Train (no brakes, folks) for other reasons, including Trump's relative lack of corruption (he ain't perfect, I'll admit!) and crass but nonetheless say-it-like-it-really-is attitude.
strawman_chan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, Home Secretary = House Spouse?
magnora7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:00:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that kid's name Ken M?
patentolog1st ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:02:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's right, you know.
xthe_influencedx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a secretary, how many words per minute could she type?
MyOpinionOverYours ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A few hundred e-mails a day!
bmrdriver ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Govt education backfires. Ouch.
ByThePowerOfMetalNya ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that kid Ken M?
intangiblesniper_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the kid was Ken M
kermityfrog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:16:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant between two ferns.
tang81 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone watched Between 2 Ferns.
distortionwarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:34:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Since you were secretary, how did Obama like his coffee? I bet it was like him, .... Weak." Between two ferns...
slippinsideways ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's right
Killsbury3 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that kid never breeds. O.o
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I cant stop laughing. Have you seen her "btw the ferns" with zach galifianakis??? YOU'VE GOT MAIL!
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 9498 points ยท Posted at 15:50:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8th grade, not elementary school. Students are researching the candidates/issues for a project. When they found out that Trump is 25 years older than his wife, they asked "doesn't that make him a pedophile?" They did not seem to buy my response that he's not, since she's an adult. Apparently, 13 year olds think that a 25 year age difference is just too much.
RussetWolf ยท 1793 points ยท Posted at 17:12:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's almost twice as long as they've been alive, so it's understandably a lot of time for them.
KidPrince ยท 464 points ยท Posted at 20:23:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, does it not seem like a lot to you? Not saying it's wrong, just a large age difference.
RussetWolf ยท 654 points ยท Posted at 20:30:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, fuck yeah. I'm not even 25 yet, so imagining being with someone who isn't born yet is creepy as fuck, even 20 years from now.
goldanred ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 22:48:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Mm, I can't wait for my future spouse to be born in 4 years from now.
kdnewton ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 01:06:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never preorder.
UncookedMarsupial ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 22:47:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly it. I'm 32 and anyone who isn't at least 28 is almost a little weird. Luckily I'm married.
AmiriteClyde ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 00:13:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
solidSC ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:11:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cock wants what the cock wants.
zaphod_beeble_bro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:26:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to stick with the rule that as long as she's not young enough to technically be my child so even say 13, 14 years is pushing it.
opinionswerekittens ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:59:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My boyfriend did the math when one of his friends said "she could be your daughter" to him, he didn't have sex until he was 16 so he was in the all clear hahaha. I like this rule.
HI_Handbasket ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:23:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even creepier is a 46 year old man watching a 10 year old girl ride up the elevator and say "I'm going to be dating her in 10 years."
maskofdeath27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:15 on October 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Hilary supporter
HI_Handbasket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:15 on November 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do political views have to do with spotting a creep?
Donald was a Democrat, once.
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:30:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think of it a different way then: She's about 30% younger. So a 30 year old dating a 20 year old. I mean, it's a bit weird, but I've seen it happen a few times, usually women seeking men with established careers.
GeodeMonkey ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:45:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or supermodels looking to spend a billionaires money
Kingbuji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to spend it without working.
Pahk0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:20:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean in my mind that establishes it more firmly as weird. A college sophomore/junior dating a 30-year-old is pretty weird. It gets less weird the older you get so you probably should've gone the other way.
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:13:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm... a 3000 year old elf dating a 2000 year old elf?
TheFuturist47 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:29:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My boyfriend is 18 years older than me (I'm 32 and he turned 50 10 days ago) and honestly in the 4 years of our relationship, the age difference has been an interesting dynamic to work around. But not really a problem. However if 18 years is significant, I can't even imagine 25 years. That seems tough.
s100181 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:32:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once dated a guy 17 years older than me and that age gap was massive, I cannot imagine 25.
BloodFartTheQueefer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
20 years in the womb is a lot
Roasted_Green_Chiles ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:30:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Report back in 20 years.
Actually, that's not even necessary. Which do you prefer currently....45 year old women or 20 year old women? Whether you think it will or not, that's not really going to change over the next 20 years.
Not to disparage women of a certain age, but man's attraction to younger women is as old as time immortal. As is a woman's attraction to older men with means.
RussetWolf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a man. I'm attracted to women between 20 and 35-ish.
dota2streamer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:58:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okcupid's research is clear, the most attractive women were the minimum age they presented (20) to men of all ages, and women were attracted to men on average 5 years older than themselves.
ClydeOrange ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:46:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you're ~40, sex with a woman in her 20s is awesome. Talking to her afterward is torture.
gaviidae ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:13:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At 70 it doesn't seem that large of an age difference.
MurgleMcGurgle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The rule is half your age plus seven. Anything lower than that and the relationship is creepy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm twenty seven. I can't imagine dating any one less than 22. Otherwise they're just so... Bland. And dumb.
hotel_girl985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My fiance is 24 years older. It works for us, but even WE admit it's a big age difference and can be weird at times!
_GameSHARK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even 10 years is too much, IMO. Assuming you're in it for the long haul and not just having some fun, a 10 year difference means one person's 55 while the other's 45. The 55 year old has hit menopause or probably become reliant on prescription assistance while the 45 year old is still reasonably healthy. Not to mention, aging starts hitting most people pretty hard once they get into their 50's. Old wrinkly bits...
LoLjoux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if the two people love each other and can see past the age differences, and aren't too shallow to ignore some wrinkles, who are you to say it's wrong? Not saying this is the case for Trump, but as you get older age gaps become more and more meaningless
_GameSHARK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I'm not saying it's wrong. As long as it's between two consenting adults, I couldn't care less how big or small the age gap is.
I'm just saying I don't think it's a good idea until you're both getting on there in years. There's a substantial physical difference between a 35 and 45 year old, a 45 and 55, etc.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:16:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My buddy actually has a formula for this. Half the age and add 7 and that's how young the partner can be without being taboo. Quick google search says he's 70, which already tells me I maybe don't want him in office based on age and how quickly his health CAN deteriorate, but I digress. Half of seventy is 35, plus seven is 42. It's an age difference of about 28 years, so it fits, but at the time they got hitched it was a little weird
Terrapinz ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:23:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
loveislove #lovewins
asianxero ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine that though. When trump was 25, Melania was inside a stomach.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:35:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A uterus*
asianxero ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:27:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah you can get pregnant swallowing cum duh
MysteriousGuardian17 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:45:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 1, my girlfriend was inside a uterus. Does that make me creepy?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:18:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not unless you think about it too much
Bitterbal95 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:20:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not unless it's your sister
MysteriousGuardian17 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:38:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops
BadBetting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if they did date someone who was 36 it would be wierd and illegal
laserBlade ยท 5448 points ยท Posted at 16:26:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They're thirteen, they should be more than capable of understanding "half plus seven"
EDIT: WTF people, I was bored and barely conscious.
kickerofelves86 ยท 2627 points ยท Posted at 16:53:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The half plus 7 rule wasn't met when they started dating.
petscii ยท 1278 points ยท Posted at 18:20:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually half plus 7 minus P.
P = each dollar guaranteed in the prenup in million dollar units.
evanescentglint ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 20:11:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. No. No.
If that's true, you only need 32million to be a baby fucker at age 50. And that's really not okay.
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 20:25:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just make it log(p) then. Now you only need e32 million dollars to fuck a baby at age 50. Or e14 million dollars to fuck an eighteen year old.
petscii ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 20:27:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'd prefer it if paedophilia remained a NP problem.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:44:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So pedophilia can be reduced to deciding if a packing of bins is optimal?
falco_iii ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:26:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NP... Hard?
evanescentglint ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:39:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay with that.
E14 is a trillion+. E32 is 7*1013 millions.
_pH_ ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:44:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You failed to specify a currency, by using Zimbabwe dollars which before being de-currencied were 300 trillion per 1 usd, you can now be a pedo for $200 million and have an 18 year old for $0.33
evanescentglint ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:51:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP didn't either.
I suspect that's what happened, with Zimbabwean trillionaires buying virgins to cure themselves of AIDS. Not specifying a currency but keeping the same rule explains a lot of countries.
RockSta-holic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, the rich get everything.
/s
petscii ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:16:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since we don't let parents pick husbands for daughters any more. I don't think you can get below 17 that easily.
iamthegraham ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:56:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah the real amount should be at least twice that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13, she was 13
katon2273 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So 21 million or so?
Trell3k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donnie who?
katon2273 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are out of your element /u/trell3k!
Animal31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break it to you... but thats Trump
notHooptieJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the brits say thats about right.
cheers_grills ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:39:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, Trump could date Jesus.
falco_iii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She wants the P.
Nevergoingtofindme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the military discount. Half plus 6
Steve3sc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's cool to grab them by the P?
petscii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Make America rape again?"
Naemesis ยท 178 points ยท Posted at 17:48:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not half minus 7? Damn.
herman3thousand ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 18:07:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the rule once you turn 50.
epicLeoplurodon ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 18:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theydidthemath
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 18:45:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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BruddyMarvaris ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:59:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing god's work my friend.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahem. /r/theydidthemeth
Burnaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theydidntdothemath
/r/theydidthefuckyou
/r/theydidtheshittymath
/r/theydidthemathhigh
/r/theydidthepokemath
/r/TheyDidTheSTFU
/r/TheyStoppedThisShit
/r/theydidthemalkovich
/r/theydidthemagic
/r/theydidnotdothemath
/r/theydidntgetthejoke
tembrant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No its /r/itwasadeadhorsebash
K_multiplied-by_K ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 17:54:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half minus seven means a 32 year old can date a 9 year old
Chrikelnel ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 17:56:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the joke...
K_multiplied-by_K ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be (1/2x -7) / x
robertah1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or to simplify, 0.5 - (7/x) so negative age until x=14, then the asymptote = 0.5
skylive2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying people younger than 14 can't be pedophiles?
That's kind of offensive.
BraveOthello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or that they just shouldn't date
olegos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Always evaluates to <1 ?
vitaymin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/theydidthemath
freedompotatoes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:41:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you know what they say: "If she's nine, she's mine." /s
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:16:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good point, we should change it to half minus 12 ;)
AudiDJ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:56:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There a problem with that?
NoDrxgs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHOOSH
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is that frowned upon or something?
The_ThirdFang ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down muhammed
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whoa
offensive
you couldn't think of any other pedophile? jeez man it's not a religious issue
i'm sorry
i can't
i'm sorry
triggered
jokes aside i'd like to let you know i'm actually brown, and i would appreciate it if you saw me as a person like you because being viewed as an outsider in my own country for something out of my control just doesn't feel good. the islamophobia affects me even if i'm not muslim because people don't see me as one of them and i don't even have the privilege of being able to connect with people the same way they may with other white folks and getting called a terrorist or having allahu akbar shouted at me by strangers gets old real quick.
maybe this is a stupid response and not going to stick but I just thought I'd express that if you care.
The_ThirdFang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the age of 9 reminded me of Muhammed 9 year old wife. should it have said 13 i would have named Roman Polanski.
Its reddit so i take very little things in most threads seriously. I see everyone as i see myself and hold no prejudices. Every muslim or follower of islam i have ever met were kind and generous people. Even with that i try to judge every person by thier actions rather than anything else, but on a site where jokes about having sex with dead bodies are not strange, i just type what ever comes to my mind at that moment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the Islamic equation
panzergling ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not haram.
RawMeatAndColdTruth ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haram baes
scobes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, a paedophile joke on Reddit! That's so original, however did you come up with such genius?
Equistremo ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:30:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the equation is only about creepiness in general. It doesn't account for a party having tons of money and making it more palatable to the other party.
Effectively, the formula is like Newtonian physics in that it works fine until you reach certain extremes, and having millions is one such extreme.
Famixofpower ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:30:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is half plus 7?
Durzo_Blint ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:12:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://xkcd.com/314/
SniddlersGulch ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:45:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Say you're 40 years old. How young a person can you date without it being socially questionable? There is no "official" answer, but everyone wants one, so .... take half of your age and add 7. (40 / 2) + 7. That's the answer according to this metric. At age 40, the youngest person you can date is 27.
EDIT: Things break down (and the cringe-inducing jokes start) when the person running the numbers is too young. For example, assuming the age of consent is 18 in your area, you wouldn't want to use the "half plus seven" rule if you were younger than 22. So it's really meant as a guideline for older people, say >= 30 years old.
PM_ME_YOUR_AoE2HD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to add to this. I've seen it as a joke for younger than 18 is too young legally and socially stop asking. In my state there is a four year clause around the age of consent. So a 17 year old and 19 year old can date. Theoretically, a 17 year old and one month can date a 21 year old and no months.
So where I see the joke, once you hit 22, (22/2) + 7 = 18. So I see it is stop asking you weirdo and only date 18+ if you're 18+ (22+).
intentsman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a theory that relationships work better between people who are close to the same age. How close? The younger one has to be at least half the older one's age plus 7.
Under this theory a 30 year old could date a 22 year old but not a 21 or younger.
A 50 year old could date someone 32 but no younger.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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PromptedHawk ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:51:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it usuallly is, just depends on the amount of money and time spent.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ouch. The truth hurts.
big-fireball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolut-ly
imisstheyoop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woohoo 22 year old girlfriend here I come!
I just hope nobody tells my wife..
Bohnanza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Dating"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but to be fair the rule hadn't been invented yet.
pitaenigma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forget, for rich pedos is a seventh plus 2
Sysiphuslove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, didn't Elijah Muhammad make that up? That was a tenet of the Nation of Islam, wasn't it?
BiceRankyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd upvote you, but it's at 666. Sorry I can't allow that to change.
HelgeKami ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 17:44:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares
oneinchterror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of people apparently. Fuck em though it's really none of their business.
fpac ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:27:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ha! 13 = 13/2 + 7 (rounding of course)
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 17:38:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Abluemillion ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:41:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, 14 is the final year where people your own age are the only option, perhaps 15.
philandlilkill ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:43:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your age is on the clock, you're too young for the cock!
Rev_Dragon ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:48:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
damn, that explains why I'll never have sex. you have to be god damn 60. fucks sakes
philandlilkill ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:52:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol reminds me of 'The Christmas Song' where they say "So I'm offering this simple phrase, To kids from 1 to 92". I always picture a 93 year old man crying with his wife with christmas decor in the living room just hoping, with a sliver of hope, that Berry Manilow will fulfill their Christmas desires. Alas he does not.
Adinida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
idk why I sang that comment in my head only to stop singing it halfway through to realizing it wasn't a song
Generic_Username0 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, no, no. You got it backwards. It's: "If your age isn't on the clock, you're too old for the cock!"
Edit: Of course I meant the 24 hour military clock. Of course. ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
Dont_trust_them ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:44:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was take the guys age then add 18 then subtract the guys age
i-d-even-k- ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh, that's how the world outside Reddit works.
CreationOperatorZero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, I thought it was half plus six. Brb divorcing my fictional wife.
andreblum ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:15:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the better rule is: own age plus 18 minus own age.
garmonboziamilkshake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They know the difference between grandparents and parents
redsoap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
22 checking in.. half plus 7 is alive and well
461weavile ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rats. I'm 34 minutes too late
Taximan20 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Checking in at 18 minutes, why are you upset for being late?
461weavile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of commenting the same thing as other people [unless the joke is mimicking.] I always enjoy a chance to reference a sitcom
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:41:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Tsunoba ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was from xkcd.
461weavile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikipedia says 1901, but I was guessing that most people heard it from How I Met Your Mother recently. It's probably a stupid guess and would be hard to track anyway
ggouge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's half plus 8 at least in my house it is.
nbd712 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, it's just simple algebra. (x/2)+7=y
pandaSmore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well according to the half plus seven rule they can't even date yet.
sertroop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? They'd be dating each other
Firefawkes17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half plus seven as in if I'm 18 then 36 (2x) then 29 (-7). So that means it wouldn't be wrong if a 29 YO woman approached me for a date?
popler1586 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mispelled billion dollars
VickiiPearls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My gosh that's exactly mine and my husbands age difference. He's 29 and I'm 21
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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UnhackableWaffle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:42:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's cause the older you get, the more "room" you have
Like if you're 60, then you're strike zone is 37 and up. 30 is 22 and up. It's a pretty big for older people, so it can seem pretty gross for some. On the flip side, a 22 year old has 18 and up, so for younger people it works better
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's such an arbitrary rule. According to that rule my boyfriend and I shouldn't have been dating till this year. We've been together for five now, and I wouldn't want anyone else but him.
If it works out works and is no one else choice about it. As long as they are of age, of course.
jamesallen74 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:57:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, it's PLUS 7? Not minus? Ummmm
Dunderost ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shit, I can still go for 18yos.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend exactly meets that criteria
DisabledDad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is still 13 for them.
MarblePython ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only really works for 18+ though
[deleted] ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:41:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like I can appreciate the fucked up ness of it.
Im 20 now, so, the person id be fucking wont be born for another 5 years?! Or they are 45, i.e. the same age as my parents.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:33:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How's it fucked up for two consenting adults to love each other? You're just immature
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:11:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I'm immature? Yet here you are unable to distinguish the law from ethics.
Your definition of adult is arbitrary. You're saying its not fucked up for an 18 year old to be with a 43 year old? Perhaps if she were 17 and he were 42 youd suddenly have a problem with it?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fail to see what is unethical about two consenting adults marrying each other. Is it kinda strange if that gap is there? Sure, but a 25 year old is as much of an adult (Not nearly as wise, mind you) as a 50 year old.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, I wouldn't say anything if thats the only thing he has done. Its not though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lay it on me fam
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean come on just look at the way he talks about his daughter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lay it on me fam
I did see one segment from one of those late night talk shows, but I think that all of those comments weren't that creepy, and I'm pretty sure I remember the host saying "Ok, of course Donald Trump doesn't want to fuck his daughter, but that sounded creepy, right?"
I don't really think the "piece of ass" bit on Howard Stern was bad either. Ivanka was grown at the time, Donald didn't get into it like "yeah I wanna fuck her dude," he just agreed that his daughter was very beautiful and the two moved along with the program.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok well it didn't feel right to me. I'm not going to try to convince you, I'm just saying a lot of what he has said doesn't make me think favorably of him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, alright my man. Have a good day dude
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I'm saying it's not fucked up for an 18 year old to be with a 43 year old. Sorry you're too immature to rationalize that.
TheFallen837 ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 17:01:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I too, find it a tad bit odd to marry someone who would have been born when you've just finished college.
qrseek ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 18:47:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gross, the 2-year-old I babysit is closer to me in age than Trump is to his wife...
HI_Handbasket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 2-year-old will transitioning out of his/her diaper around the time Trump is transitioning into one.
qrseek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:54 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's already potty-trained, but you're probably still right.
kiddo51 ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 17:20:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm out of college for over a year and I still have a couple years to go until my hypothetical Trump wife would be born...
impressivephd ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:37:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then a lot more until it's acceptable to find her attractive
Cobaltjedi117 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:44:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And quite awhile longer to be acceptable to date
pro_omnibus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:43:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then a solid 3 or 4 years until she's over the age of consent.
lordcorusa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump wife" n. an hypothetical future wife much younger than yourself, possibly not born yet
This needs to catch on...
pizzahedron ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:29:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
once you're old enough, people are just people.
SeeShark ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:01:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I think it's easy to see how a 13-year-old wouldn't comprehend that. They can tell when someone is a year older than them. For them, a 3-year difference is too much.
pizzahedron ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:18:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's not hard to have a 13-year-old understand 'people are people', but it might not convince then that it's not gross. though i'd be surprised if they could think trump+anyone is not gross. or anyone over 30 + anyone else.
robeph ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stay out of /r/relationship_advice with that attitude, 6 or 7 years older and something is wrong with the guy according to a large number of the posters there.
I made a comment once in response to a post about me, 37 and my girlfriend 27 addressing the OP and instead I was inundated with people questioning why I don't date someone my own age...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, because most of the time they're talking about relationships where one person is 18 and the other is 25. That's way different from something like 37 and 30.
robeph ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure I'd see anything wrong with that either. Plenty of students at university have that exact spread between the two with no problems. Undergrad and first term grad students date all the time with nothing amiss. This is quite a new thing to be quite honest. When I was 19 I dated a master's student who was 25. No one thought a thing of it.
Even if you're right however. They spoke on my specific comment about my own as if I was weird for this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such a big difference used to be more common back when ideas about gender roles in relationships were way different. In modern society people rightly question how two people of such different life experiences and life situations can be on equal footing. That's not to say it's impossible or never happens, but in general it's kind of questionable. I can't imagine dating someone who couldn't go to a bar for three more years when I was 25.
robeph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gender roles in relationships were something that haven't changed much in the last 20 very years. Regardless of what the kids today seem to think. When I was in my 20s women were no less the role seen today. It happens a lot except for people who seem to be quite vocal about it. My guess is that they're not particularly worldly and have little experience at the over 18 way of life in the real world beyond their internet teen culture. It isn't closed mindedness it's just ignorance of the way things are. A college student dating another even if 5, 8, or even 10 their senior, regardless of which side is male or the female, or otherwise, is completely normal.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:21:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're just narrow minded is all.
Shaken_Vesper ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:53:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Want to know why? Single women that age are either desperate harpies (divorced once or twice over with 2 or 3 kids), or "free spirit adventurers" who are actually social climbers with 3 liberal arts degrees and 2 dogs (because kids would prevent them from going to Italy for the 4th time).
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah - I mean, it's not twisted or anything, but it's a bit weird.
dwana49 ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 17:09:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also can we talk about how Trump is literally 70 years old? I was looking him up on Wikipedia for some reason, saw that and my jaw hit the floor. I actually just looked it up again before I commented because I'm still not sure I believe it
grumpieroldman ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:30:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary is 68 ...
GoatPaco ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:41:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
STAMINA
FuriousTarts ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:40:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I will say this about Hillary. She doesn't quit. She doesn't give up. I respect that. I tell it like it is. She's a fighter. I disagree with much of what she's fighting for. I do disagree with her judgment in many cases. But she does fight hard, and she doesn't quit, and she doesn't give up. And I consider that to be a very good trait."
-Donald Trump
i-d-even-k- ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:19:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The day has come when I agree with a Trump quote.
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also probably remarked once that he thought donuts were nice or something.
It's a bit odd actually - we've come to know him as a cartoon character, and under all that there's probably plenty about him that would seem normal.
Which is scary as fuck, given that he assaults women and teenagers.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was that what he said about her when asked to say something nice in the town hall debate?
diddykongisapokemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah
o0i81u8120o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I ain't got no ana
crysb326 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:15:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's definitely worrisome too, but to be fair, women have a longer life expectancy than men
Blowmewhileiplaycod ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary also seems to have some health issues that Donald doesn't
iUsedtoHadHerpes ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:50:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Conspiracy theories aside, Hillary comes across as being healthier than Trump. He's pretty overweight.
Shaken_Vesper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her behavior is not a conspiracy theory. There is something wrong with her.
Blowmewhileiplaycod ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a conspiracy that she collapsed on 911. Didn't seem very healthy to me honestly
iUsedtoHadHerpes ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:57:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was when she had pneumonia, wasn't it? She seems to get around pretty well since then.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet Trump manages up to four rallies a day while she has no scheduled public appearances until the last debate.
the_undine ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:06:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if that's a product of his health or a product of his having no one to delegate to outside of Mike Pence...
grumpieroldman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could only wish that 'glass cellar' hits center-stage in debate 3.
NoBlueKoolAid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But spry
brickmack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:42:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sanders is 75, he seems a lot more fit than either of them physically.
NiobiumGoat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:38:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a fighter, I'll giver her that.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
69 actually, and turning 70 on the 26th
dwana49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that's about what I had in mind for her. They talked so much about her being a grandma, that's an age that makes sense then.
But Trump, I thought he would be like 54 or something. I always just assumed the wrinkles were a byproduct from too much time in the orangeing booth and he was nicely middle-aged. Never imagined he would be within two years of Bernie!
JohnnyMnemo ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:26:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the pussy grabbing tape came out, and it was explained as the incident of a 59 year old 11 years ago, I couldn't believe it.
He's old enough at 70 he could drop dead at any minute. That means that Pence is worth more thought.
frivolous_name ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:34:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lemme think.......
No
grumpieroldman ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:31:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has already indicated that he does not intend to fulfill the duty of the Presidency. If Trump wins Pence will become the most powerful VP in American history (far more so than Cheney).
bubblegumpandabear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....Can he do that? I feel like if you're elected then you're obligated to do your job, but then again, a lot of we elect into the government seem do be spending their days watching paint dry.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:11:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically the president only has a handful of duties, he can just sign whatever congress passes or get a stamp with his signature and give it to Pence, and he has to write a state of the union letter to congress once a year which doesn't have any specific requirements (it doesn't even really have to be a speech).
No president has ever done the bare minimum because we have not yet ever elected a lazy idiot to the highest office.
thebestboner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying I have a chance?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Live the dream! Run a campaign where you stay on your couch in a bathrobe the whole time!
yes_thats_right ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has said a lot of things which he doesn't really mean.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Flatoftheblade ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:57:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Kasich alleged that Trump's people reached out to him to offer him the VP position and essentially said that Trump just wanted the title and Kasich could be "the most powerful VP in history" and in charge of both foreign and domestic policy.
Trump's people deny that any such offer or characterizations were made. But that's what the other poster was referencing I assume.
Raxal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention he's overweight and has a long history of health problems.
i-d-even-k- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's overweight? Source?
Raxal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's slightly overweight at 236 pounds and takes a Statin in order to lower cholesteral, IIRC, and he's five pounds away from being considered outright obese for his height. He also has a family history of heart problems and a personal history of really shitty eating habits that he is proud of.
dangerbird2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fact, he only recently started saying he's 6'3 which would put him in the overweight range.. Unless he had a growth spurt at the age of 70, he's probably closer to his more commonly recorded height of 6'2, which would make him obese by BMI standards. Of course, BMI is not a good judge of an individual's health, but his poor diet and admitted lack of exercise should discount common false positives like high muscle mass.
Raxal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much this, yeah. Although he doesn't seem that tall when I've seen him on camera, that's interesting to know actually.
everydaygrind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No? 70 is.. fine. 90 is the cutoff being worrying if someone is going to drop dead that day.
the_undine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...I wouldn't worry about either one of them lasting another 8 years, unless the shock of losing kills one of them. Also they're both rich and rich people have much longer lifespans...Yay?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/health/disparity-in-life-spans-of-the-rich-and-the-poor-is-growing.html
Waitwhatismybodydoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Versus Clinton cosplaying the world trade tower?
not my joke, but definitely my favorite joke lately
dblmjr_loser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? The man looks like he's in his 50s easily. Same thing with actors man, they can afford to look 30 when they're actually 55, it's all about that cash money.
unicorn-jones ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 17:12:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not totally wrong
Bahamute ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:52:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they are wrong about the pedophile part.
unicorn-jones ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:54:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you'll notice I didn't quote that part.
DangerAwar ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:24:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily depending on his trial in December
Bahamute ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even then it wouldn't be pedophilia as that only applies to the attraction to prepubescent children (up to ages 10-12). The Miss America contestants were older than that.
DangerAwar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:31:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can we not do this "technically its ephebophilia" bullshit
a 13 year old girl is a kid
don't fuck kids
Bahamute ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:34:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not bullshit. I'm not saying it's any better because they're older of anything like that.
It's just the definition of the word and it there's nothing wrong with educating people about that.
DangerAwar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:45:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's stupid to divide it up into a bunch of little categories depending on age
The only divisions that matter are underage vs of age
if they're underage you're a pedo, sex offender, whatever term you want to use, I don't care about semantic pedantry
Bahamute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Psychologists thought it was important.
It's not semantic pedantry. It's just completely incorrect. There can be a significant difference from a pedophile and a sex offender.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DangerAwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I just ask how many fucking times you're going to reply to me with the exact same comment, but with another couple paragraphs tacked on? You've done it 3 times already
Here's my stance - fucking anyone who's underage is wrong except if you're within a year or two of their age
I don't give even the slightest shit what the proper terminology is, and I don't hate pedos who don't ever act on their urges, just, you know, the child rapists and sex offenders
Pedophiles and ephebophiles are both disgusting and wrong, adults should not fuck kids nor should they fuck teenagers
If you're 30 and still going for 16-19 year olds you're disgusting, IMO, regardless of the law
The case against Trump that I mentioned involved him, as an old man, fucking a 13 year old
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The law agrees with you, having sex with people under-age is indeed illegal. That's why they set the age of consent to 16, so that it's improbable that the person has not gone through puberty.
Our legal age is 18 here. What you're doing is confusing legal age with age of consent. Yes, you'd be considered gross if you were 30 and dated a 16 year old, but it would be legal.
But one important caveat; since a 16 year old is not legal age, the parents would still be able to make decisions for them and not allow them to date the 30 year old.
But the disgusting part is where you're placing lots of entirely legal relationship under the pedo label just because your country has age of consent the same as your legal age. Sex offender is not the same as pedophile.
DangerAwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not confused at all, I didn't say it was illegal, I said it was disgusting and wrong. Law is not morality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. I guess we agree then.
dangerbird2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:08:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The recent sexual harassment allegations do claim that he on several occasions barged into Miss America dressing rooms where underage girls were changing.
Bahamute ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That may be true, but it's not pedophilia as that only applies to the attraction to prepubescent children (up to ages 10-12). The Miss America contestants were older than that.
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unicorn-jones ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:55:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may not be "wrong" per se, but it ain't exactly right either.
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:59:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, he's facing a lawsuit for sex with a 13 year old
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jatjacob1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:10:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is.
redworm ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:16:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok. Well I'm speaking in more general terms. If I'm 25 and want to date a 50 year old woman or if I want to date a 25 year old woman when I'm 50 there's absolutely nothing wrong with either situation as long as both of us consent to it.
Foxclaws42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:29:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's about the experience gap, which is huge. One of the reasons we don't let 25 year olds date 15 year olds is that the older person has far more life experience, so it's very easy for them (intentionally or no) to take advantage of the younger one.
I'm not going to try and tell consenting adults who they can and can't date, but huge age gaps do make me uncomfortable.
krackbaby2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then don't take advantage of people maybe? It's not that hard to be a decent person...
realblublu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:02:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people find it icky and wouldn't personally want to do that stuff, so it must be wrong for anyone else to do it, too.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:31:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not it at all. It's just hard to comprehend how two people in such drastically different places in their personal lives and with such drastically different life experiences could form a successful couple. Sure, it can happen. But you'll notice it's pretty rare unless money is involved.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it may not work 100 percent of the time. Either way it's not wrong. Most relationships don't work.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please show me where I said it's wrong.
realblublu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:34:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't see how that makes it wrong, though. I'm talking about when it's not just prostitution going on. Of course there's a lot of that too.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has anybody said it's wrong?
MisterDonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not wrong per se, or any other way.
--CAT-- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh
notLOL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Melania is a 45yo gilf. I'm half her age and much less debt than donnie; just saying she has options
unicorn-jones ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:53:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are also (I assume) much less famous than he is, and fame opens doors that debt would keep closed for the average citizen.
When one person is much older and famous/wealthy/powerful + male, there is a power imbalance. That's just the facts of the matter, and everyone pointing out it's legal and "they're consenting" is missing the nuance of the situation.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't usually go for a grandma.
ImWritingABook ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:21:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"No, no, with his wife it's almost all right. The age problems are really more when it comes to him and his daughter."
wakinupdrunk ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:06:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it not a little much? I mean that's kind of gross.
jlharper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 21, I can confirm that a 25 year age difference is too much. I probably wouldn't fuck a 46 year old, and I'm definitely not going down on a -5 year old!
666GodlessHeathen666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it doesn't legally... still makes it creepy though. So they're not 100% wrong imo.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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brickmack ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:43:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats because you're the ugliest child in the family
krispykrackers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was 43 when she turned legal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're actually not a common core state, in case you wanted to know that.
Parado-I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this project common in 8th grade civics courses? Because we did basically the exact same thing in my class.
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A colleague wrote a Project Based Learning unit for the election, which is what we're using. The students are researching the issues and candidates and are going to produce "news broadcasts" the week before the election. They're pretending to be reporters and their job is to help their viewers be informed voters. We've never done this project before, but it seems like it's going well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately sometimes these days Americans marry their own Grandpas and too many older female teachers are hooking up with young students...they're not always wrong
bjb406 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... well it kind of is...
OMG_its_critical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that would be like dating a 38 year old to them
trumptwenty16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See if they still think so when they're Trump's age
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FYI in Ontario at least, elementary extends to grade eight. Unless the grades are physically located in a high school building, on which case it's jr high. It's weird.
But usually you have k-8 and 9-12 in two buildings, elementary and high.
Almustafa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of marrying someone who will be a newborn when you are twice as old as you are now is justifiably weird.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There is that one lawsuit where a woman says she got raped by him when she was 13, so he's probably a pedophile, but that's unrelated.
holdmehbrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half plus a keleven
housetronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is.
Jess_than_three ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"No, that doesn't make him a pedophile. His penchant for walking in on half-naked fifteen-year-olds does. Also his statements that he doesn't have an age limit - well, but like, he isn't interested in for example twelve-year-olds. Also his creepy barely-veiled attraction to his daughter isn't helping his case, either."
Rashaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta say, I agree with that one.
El_Slayer_Loco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he has been charged with molesting a thirteen year old. And has said many creepy things about young girls...I say their pedofile remark is on the money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should look into Rupert Murdoch...
JarbaloJardine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So do most people
NyonMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it kinda is...
qrseek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, there is also this...
origamifred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom and step dad started school on the same day. She started college, he started elementary school. So, yeah for cradle robbers!
damnrite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they might be browsing the /r/politics way too much
838h920 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if they were to marry someone 25 years younger than them, then they would need to wait as much as they already lived for their partner to be born...
MountainDewde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well no, that doesn't make him a pedophile..."
B8444S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13 year olds can't grasp that concept omg! Thats just sad! Adults are adults no matter what age.
scw55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I thought I was odd for considering someone 10 years older than me.
ferociousPAWS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make him a pedophile but watching 14 year old girls get dressed probably does
Plus2Joe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The correct response: "No, THAT'S not what makes him a pedophile..."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: Michael Douglas is 25 years older than his wife โฆ to the day. They have the same birthday.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not much older than your 8th graders, and I was also surprised to learn that Trump was fucking 70.
"Stamina" my ass.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a fairly substantial age difference. I would not feel comfortable dating someone two years younger than my mother.
Murder_Boners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I can understand their reasoning.
DeusExMockinYa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He peeps on Teen Miss USA contestants and talked about his plans for dating ten-year-olds and his own daughter, so they're not wrong.
ergzay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better question is why do they know the term pedophile? Do they learn that in school now?
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They watch TV and movies, watch the news when their parents have it on, and have access to the internet.
superherocostume ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in grade 8 I was convinced I'd marry Johnny Depp, who is 27 years older than me. I feel like 13 is old enough to understand a large age difference in adult relationships. I'm not commenting on if it's weird or not, just saying that at 13 I was very, very well aware of that type of relationship.
Northwindlowlander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well god damn it. I just turned 38 :(
DangerAwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he does have to go to trial for possibly fucking a 13 year old and he was very good friends with Epstein, a convicted pedo, even saying something along the lines of "terrific guy, he loves women, he likes them young"
skyvex1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, that's quite a huge age gap. Most people's maximum acceptances at marriages would be 10 years at the most.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it kind of is. Not that it can't work or anything, but people who grew up 25 years apart have just had completely different life experiences and are in totally different places in their own lives. You rarely see that big of a difference unless money or power is involved.
fuck-dat-shit-up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah. Isnt trump like in his 70s? That would make Melania in her late forties or early fifties?
I just cant believe it. The age gap has To be bigger.
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's 45 and he's 70. When they first got together he was 52 and she was 28, so he wasn't following the half your age plus seven rule.
fuck-dat-shit-up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah. He has been with her for almost 20 years.
LRedditor15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That word gets thrown around a lot at my school. And, no, it's not directed at people older than them. It's directed at pretty much everyone, regardless of their age. For example, if a girl 16 year old girl catches a 12 year old boy looking at her ass, she'll shout "pedophile" at him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
poltergoose420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it is alot
Otlot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For a 13 year old, that means they have 12 years until their spouse is even born. Understandably weird for them.
Doctor-Amazing ยท 2523 points ยท Posted at 16:20:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grade kids I taught were positive that Trump will immediately and deliberately start world war 3 once he's in office.
I had one girl declare that she hates trump but only because she's tired of him being on the morning news when she's eating breakfast with her dad.
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[deleted] ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 20:22:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... In Australia.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 22:31:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm: Am Australian, want off this wild ride.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:19:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thoroughly apologize for the mental state of my country
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least he's on the other side of the world!
I have to be right next to it!
I love USA.
tuigger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:16:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was hilarious how New South Wales made a resolution calling Trump a "repulsive slug".
Jeez, y'all are thousands of miles away and you still hatin.
haloraptor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:33:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean the UK Parliament debated banning Trump from the country... (they decided not to obviously but still)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the American election affects us. We're salty because we can see that various outcomes affect us in different ways.
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, there are little green men on fucking Io right now who hate Trump.
Karnatil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:23:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Australia? Damn Americans, always outsourcing. When Trump gets in, he's gonna get these lines back in America where they belong! /s
PhilMatey ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:31:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me about it, it's all over the fucking radio in work and I'm the U-fucking-K. Know how you guys felt when our royals got married..
Reddit_beard ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:59:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But your royals are essentially just a dog and pony show. Our dog and pony show has consequences... for us, and I'm sorry for this but you as well.
Sysiphuslove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pick your poison indeed
Drizen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Geez....that little girls dad must really enjoy breakfast
benaugustine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you eating breakfast with that little girl's dad?
jroades26 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't blame trump. Tell the dumbass media to cover something else instead of being so obsessed with trump.
Stackhouse_ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:22:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Npr in the morning every other word is Trump or Hilary Clinton. Even in shit that is about medicine or technology or folk music they try to slip one in there.
NPR: Your home for obviously biased echo chambered 2016 election coverage, I'm Dave Mattingly
OffhandOnion ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:12:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since fucking May it seems like every morning I listen to the national newscast and it goes one of two ways:
"Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Lakshmi Singh. Hillary Clinton..."
"Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Korva Coleman. Donald Trump..."
(Note: those are the names I happened to remember off hand, not necessarily indicative of anything of critical to the post)
Stackhouse_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:27:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most surprising thing about this is you knew how to spell Lakshmi's name
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:14:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's one month before the election.
jroades26 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:15:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but they spend 99% on Trump. 1% on actual news, and the other side of the election.
Lion_Among_Cedars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:21:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Trump was the 1%?
MK234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the 1% but the 1% gets 99% of everything, including media coverage
Sysiphuslove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BUT TRUMP WILL USE THE NUKES
TRUMP CHEATS AT POKER
TRUMP NINJA LOOTS DURING RAIDS
this message has been approved by Hillary Clinton
Smp1151 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:37:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're tired of Trump being on the morning news while you're eating breakfast with that little girls dad ?
infinity_minus_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/byUVR04CMBU
moloizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is there so many people having breakfast with this little girl's dad?
Ptylerdactyl ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 18:05:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's ridiculous, the stuff kids are saying these days. Everyone knows that the wars Trump starts will be purely accidental.
nythnggs4590 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 18:14:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But at least they'd be the best wars
Ptylerdactyl ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:22:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it, you know it, everybody knows it.
youknowit19 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:56:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leave me out of this.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know it
aeatherx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just call Sean Hannity to confirm.
Ptylerdactyl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's lots I could call Sean Hannity.
holdmehbrew ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:23:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic wars.
WastingMyLifeHere2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yuge wars!
FullBlownPanic ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:41:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who knows Trump says he'll accidentally start only the very best wars. The longest, best wars. He'll make wars great again
McCl3lland ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I thought you said Beast wars,
angerand I thought trump might have promised to renew the show :(Edit: autocorrect and not looking before sending.
earl_dabb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....and they'll be YUUUUGE.
Leohond15 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:24:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many adults are convinced of this as well...
UnicornPenguinCat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:28:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm worried about this (fully grown Australian adult here).
Leohond15 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:26:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm American and I definitely am, especially considering I'm gay and most of my friends are people of color and several are immigrants or children of them.
zuqui23 ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 17:15:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha
Slacker5001 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:16:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that girl is saying what we all feel. So burnt out over this election. It can't be November fast enough.
IGuessIllBeAnonymous ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:55:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, that little girl is my spirit animal.
gnugnus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I hated Oliver north and ira contra. Ruined tv for kids.
poltergoose420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 12 year old brother seems to think that too
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:28:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Starting World War 3 is the one thing I know Trump won't do. He's way too friendly with Putin.
intentsman ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:57:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WW3 probably won't start with Russia.
Problem119V-0800 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:20:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it'd be more of an interlocking-treaties thing like WWI. Trump carries through on his proposal to nuke the Middle East, everyone else gets dragged in.
BGYeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:06:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump won't be able to clear a nuclear strike on the middle east and he knows it, he just knows when to talk big to please the crowd that wants to hear these sort of things.
CroatiaHF ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 20:06:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It will if Hillary is elected. Inform yourself please.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:42:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First thought:
After checking comment history:
CroatiaHF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read my other comment. Oh lets not forgot that she threatened to use miltary force again russia or anyone who exposes her corruption and hacks her email.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She wont be able to start a war with Russia, Congress will not clear that sort of engagement, her relations with Russia will put us in a Cold War at most but nothing more.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:22:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inform yourself mate
roeravid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:42:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inform us please
CroatiaHF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Putin ally tells americans: vote trump or face nuclear war"
BGYeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a Putin ally who is mostly known to Russians for his outlandish and sweeping rhetoric" about all you need there bud.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:59:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Putin has never started wars with countries he used to be friendly with once their use has dried up... haha.
mjmannella ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For reference, it was Germany that backstabbed Russia back in the 30's.
Krelkal ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forgetting about Crimea? Putin has made hostile land grabs against previously friendly countries as recently as two years ago...
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:36:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was being sarcastic and referencing exactly that.
Krelkal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoops, had a weird Twilight Zone moment
BGYeti ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:03:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who thinks that Russia would be the aggressor against the US is fucking dumb. Both the US and Russia know that if we go to war it is one that is going to end in total annihilation. We will definitely go into another Cold War assuming relations don't improve but right now no super power is wanting to send the world into a nuclear winter and end civilization as we know it. In this day and age the only bits of conflict we will see is conflicts similar to the war in Iraq against 3rd world countries, 3rd world revolutions, and small land grabs like Crimea against countries that can't fight back.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about China tho
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The flash point with China would be Japan.
I could see Trump encouraging their nationalistic PM to be more bellicose and militaristic, which could make conflict there a bit more likely.
But honestly, that's a possibility even if you elected Twilight Sparkle as president.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or North Korea. Or the Spratly's. Or the ADIZ. Or Taiwan.
Obviously it's still possible no matter what, but under Trump its more likely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how any of those happen unless China is stupid. And Trump being President doesn't suddenly make China stupid.
As much as Trump for president is a bad idea, I don't see how you can definitely say it's more likely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Are you seriously going to sit here and pretend that China is the only player capable of triggering a war in the west Pacific? Are you aware that the US military is enormously powerful and has an enormous presence in the West Pacific?
You realize that the US is allied to some extent with Japan, South Korea, Taiwan...and we have multiple large military bases in South Korea, Japan, Guam...we have a supercarrier permanently stationed in Yokosuka, Japan...
China is not the only country with cards to play in the West Pacific. In fact, the US military arguably has a more powerful hand in some respects. A reckless, ignorant, thin-skinned US president could absolutely do an enormous amount of damage. China would likely never intentionally seek war with the US, but if it felt threatened it might attack preemptively, or it might be bold enough to take aggressive action against its weaker neighbors, especially if our president is someone who encourages nuclear proliferation and repeatedly and recklessly calls our commitment to our allies into doubt. Trump's ambivalence towards our allies, combined with his belligerence, impulsiveness and general unwillingness to listen to the opinions of experts, creates a very dangerous situation.
There are plenty of opportunities for militarized standoffs between China and the US in Asia due to ongoing disputes over strategic territory and sea-lanes in the SCS, the potential for major disputes over Taiwanese sovereignty, the threat of North Korean provocations and/or collapse, the threat of military accidents and escalations in an increasingly militarized region...
Even the most steady-handed, calm, rational president would run a significant risk of seriously fucking things up with China in the near future. A president who is staggeringly belligerent, impulsive, arrogant and stubborn compounds the risk of war substantially.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
America could fuck up the Chinese economy with how much of our debt they own, they will not attack the US. The only real issue in that region is NK who is allied with China but even then it is more like feeling sorry for the stupid kid on the playground who has no friends so you say you will be their friend but you keep them at arms length. Not to mention China is allied with Russia and Trump is cozy with Putin, China is not about to fuck that up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You completely failed to understand what I'm saying.
First, we're talking about the potential next president of the United States, and what he might choose to do with his power. We are not talking about China's decision-making process. We're talking about what the US president might do with US assets in the region. Right now you're ignoring what Trump might do and instead arguing about what China intends to do. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about Trump and what he could do as commander in chief.
Second, obviously war with the US would not be in China's interest. Nobody's claiming that they're just going to attack us out of the blue because they want to. What I am arguing is that domestic instability and/or strategic ambition might cause China to attack one of our vulnerable allies in the region (made more vulnerable by Trump's shaky commitment to allies), which could draw us into a rapidly escalating conflict. China might also feel threatened by US military posturing and the rapid militarization of countries in the region, and preemptively attack us out of a desire to prevent an even worse outcome. If China is made to feel cornered and threatened, they are likely going to lash out defensively out of a desire for self-preservation. History is littered with examples of economically interdependent countries waging war. WWI, for example.
It's hard to exaggerate how much that statement makes no sense at all. Please explain what China would be fucking up. Explain to me, specifically, how Trump's forgiving attitude towards Putin's behavior in Syria and Ukraine means that China and the US automatically have a good relationship. Are you aware that the transitive property doesn't apply to international alliances? Are you aware that Trump has personally stated his intention to start a trade war with China? Is that the great, mutually beneficial sino-American relationship that would be at stake under Trump? The entire point I'm making here is that Sino-American relations under Trump will be absolute shit, because he's a belligerent posturing, impulsive moron who is going to start a trade war with China. The fact that Putin can manipulate Trump to his own ends does not mean that Trump is going to get along with Xi Jinping.
top_koala ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WW2 in Europe more or less started letting Hitler expand until it wasn't possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Russia's military is smaller than NATO's, even if the US leaves. I dont think it's a problem.
nonexistant_account ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad always turns on NPR in the morning and it's fucking awful. The first thing I hear when I wake up every morning is the latest absurd, offensive rhetoric Trump has managed to vomit.
introversed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the kind of thing Trump would want
dnl101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly certain that trump will at least lead to some civil war like situations in america.
YawnSpawner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While he may disappear from the news, I'll still have to listen to my roommates talk about how much of a crook Hillary is.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to see some political diversity in your campus.
YawnSpawner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in college, we're all 28 or older.
fakearies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ha ha
PolandFromMat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they confused trump with putin.
yomama629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially ironic considering the alt-right's leaning towards isolationism while Hillary destabilized the entire Middle East when she was Secretary of State and is pretty bent on fucking with Russia and Syria if she's given the chance. Trump sucks but this is the stupidest thing to use to argue against him.
PotatoBucket3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why my mom hates Kim Kardashian. She hates how she's always on the news when there are way more interesting and important things to report than what some random lady wore today.
fullcloakghosthunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only argue with the "Deliberately" remark. I picture him dropping his cup of coffee, getting his tie stuck in the toaster, and flipping a switch which simultaneously starts the garbage disposal and launches the nukes.
rand486 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grade or not, I'm not surprised they went there. I was in Grade 11 when 9/11 happened, and many of us were thoroughly convinced that WW3 was imminent, once we found out who was responsible.
Scary stuff is scary, especially when everything's fairly new to you in your youth.
datmamathere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8 year old wants Trump to win, because he's convinced Hillary will continue Michelle Obama's lunch program, and 'He can't eat spaghetti without a roll forever, you know'
StaceyDashIsARat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some smart kids.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[Citation needed]
Pikklit ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:41:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm my school all I hear is that he will start world war three and that he hates woman and they know nothing that Hillary has done...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:38:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's unlikely, but it's not that unlikely.
SpookiestBus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, Sudan, get fucked you shitbirds hangs up phone NAILED EM"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, you're joking, and this seems pretty unlikely. But can any of us really say something like this is impossible or that it would be totally shocking?
SpookiestBus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I can see it.
stationhollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. The other side are the ones purposefully starting shit with Russia for no real reason.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:40:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't wrong.
BenjaminTalam ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:11:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the adults seem to think that too as they shame people into voting for Hillary because they have to stop Trump at all costs. There are extremely delusional people out there, harassing people to vote Clinton because we're all going to die if Trump wins and its not like he'll accomplish nothing because all of his crazy ideas will be rejected by Congress.
TheCosmicHacker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Too bad Hillary will escalate the Russia-US situation. She wants a no fly zone in Syria. She wants Assad out at all costs because of her nation building BS.
Look at what she did to Libya.
Deuce_X_Machina ยท 1076 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but this is something my four year old niece told her dad:
"Papa, Donald Trump isn't a bad person. He's just making bad choices."
Then again, she also identified him in a picture of Slimer from Ghostbusters.
KT_ATX ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 19:07:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, thats terribly optimistic of her. Also quite generous. Your niece sounds like a sweet little girl.
Deuce_X_Machina ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 19:10:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a sweetie. Her dad's reaction to that first comment was "My daughter is a better person than I am."
Nueraman1997 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 20:15:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least he can take comfort in knowing he did a good job.
AtomicSamuraiCyborg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How cynical we all become. Your little one is ray of optimism.
Sysiphuslove ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:45:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the mouths of babes. I don't think there really are very many 'bad people' in the world, I think that perspective will serve her pretty well if she can manage somehow to hold on to it
ScrithWire ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 01:12:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would do the world a lot of good to learn something about people from this little girl.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:55:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to think this was like seeing the virgin mary in a slice of toast.
StrawberryR ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:08:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the positive side, she sounds like a very wise, accepting four year old. Let's hope she stays that sweet.
lydsbane ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tell this to my son all the time, and I'm a little ashamed of myself right now for not viewing Trump in that same light. Isn't that crazy?
PM_ME_UR_OBSIDIAN ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:36:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference between being a bad person and making bad choices?
Deuce_X_Machina ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:51:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose a bad person would be incapable of making good choices. Her statement is giving Donald the benefit of the doubt, assuming that he is capable of making those good choices.
Xethaios ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:55:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, a good person making bad choices may not realize they're bad choices, or doesn't understand why they're bad.
A bad person will make bad choices even if they understand why they're bad.
actuallycallie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:00:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The choices thing is a common phrase in elementary school. They often remind kids to "make good choices" and when they do get in trouble they talk about the "poor choices" that led up to it.
wtreq ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:50:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As Director Comey informed us, that would be "intent".
mamajt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:39:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you seen the Trumpbusters car decals?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eye opening
CentrifugalChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was she wrong?
Deuce_X_Machina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. She's a sharp kid.
CyanideNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Good people can make bad choices. That does not mean that th re are no bad people. By any reasonable metric, Trump is a bad person. The niece here is obviously a good person, but is too naive to know the difference between a bad person and a good person who makes bad choices.
CentrifugalChicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:48 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you on all points -- but my "was she wrong" was re: Trump looking like Slimer. Kids got a good eye.
CyanideNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:43 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
I will change my answer to "No." Quite a profound observation, really.
zuppaiaia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gosh, Slimer, now I see it!
Secretly_psycho ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:03:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol what? Savage kid
JessicaBecause ยท 6373 points ยท Posted at 14:49:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My daughter (7) watched the first debate. She's picking Hillary because she wore red.
Doctah_Whoopass ยท 1861 points ยท Posted at 15:49:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't show her the old Soviet Victory Day parades.
[deleted] ยท 2015 points ยท Posted at 16:51:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or do โญ โญ โญ
Astronomer_X ยท 785 points ยท Posted at 17:17:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you look at those hammers and sickle from a bit of a distance, they look like small birds looking to the right.
Bearat ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 18:01:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that you saw something other than hammers and sickles too. I thought they looked like small hands with needles about to pop a balloon.
Nueraman1997 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:59:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too!!
Celiac_Sally ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw boobs ยฏ\(ใ)/ยฏ
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:13:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some weird-looking boobs.
DdCno1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, now I'm seeing both.
Noelwiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're pirate hands trying to balance something on them poorly
wait_what_how_do_I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Metaphorically, you're spot on.
inmate34785 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:53:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't unsee! They were trolling us all along!
nermid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:31:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was confused as to why there were three leaping rabbits until I looked real close.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:49:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I guess you could say communism is... For the birds.
CaptainUnusual ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually didn't realize that they weren't birds until I saw your comment. Thought it was a weird Bernie Sanders jab.
Shelly_Wardog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might even say they look like right-wingers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In reality, they're looking to the left.
A_Pile_Of_Bees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They look like anchors
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#เฒ _เฒ
Cannot unsee.
Big_Bronco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are looking to the left. See them? Three chickens picking corn or whatever
northrupthebandgeek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SCRAWW OVERTHROW THE MUDMAN BOURGEOISIE SCRAAAAAAWWW
Cael87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โญ
Spaniell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I almost always see them as anchors.
Problem119V-0800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously a typographical reference to Mao's Sparrow Campaign
GothWitchOfBrooklyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't unsee this
Accentu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not wearing my glasses and I see the dishonored symbol.
Pseuzq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read that in Ronald Reagan's voice.
Edit: "Mr. Gorbachev, let those Freedom Doves fly!"
Werro_123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw hopping rabbits.
modelgoldenretriever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting; to me these looked like small birds flying to the left.
yetistolemypickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that you've been lured in by the pretty birds: welcome, comrade!
Guyinapeacoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly capitalist ploy to push my face further away from glorious communism.
ZachAttrax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โญ (o) (o) sik teets gurll
Eazer27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tweet tweet comrade
hoylemd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy fucking shit
Cairo9o9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Darwin's Finches!
wine-o-saur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Birds have eyes on both sides of their heads.
notwearingpantsAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's enough acid for you.
SerBusterHighman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was stumped as to what that had to do with birds as well
PachinkoGear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cheep cheep
evilpancakeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:45 on October 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like those drinking birds.
Where's the any key? Y. Y. Y. Y. Y.
est1roth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you look closely at those small birds looking to the right, they look like hammers and sickle!
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:34:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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AdmiralAkbar1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why we need to build a wall!
Durzo_Blint ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meโญirl
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:00:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
xaxaxa ))))))
cyka blyat comrade!
Time to listen to Soviet March...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the hell are those on an orange background. whoever made that clearly wasn't thinking
UNSKIALz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
me irl
Larsjr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are they in yellow boxes? Samsung's emojis blow ass
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ty
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โชโชโช ัะผะตัะตัั ะบะพะผะผัะฝะธััะพะผ
jcskarambit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Communist spy.
wesman212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are some nice birds but I don't see what they have to do with anything...
Mer-fishy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:47:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/me_irl
ShinyPants42 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:52:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? Gotta get them early.
A_favorite_rug ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:21:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/FULLCOMMUNISM
Monsieu ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:57:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do show her the old Soviet Victory Day parades!
monster_pancakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SOYUZ NERUSHIMY
potatoesforlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RESPUBLIK SVABODNI
meneldal2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I thought Hillary hated the commies.
arson_cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's okay. They're all in black and white anyway.
CanuckBacon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or any nazi flags...
Poguemohon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you mean trump's inauguration parade.
Duck-You-Sucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:04:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you dare compare that reactionary to the motherland.
Ballistrophobia ยท 4294 points ยท Posted at 14:57:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does she feel about Ken Bone, then?
meatpony ยท 2649 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is only one way to feel about Mr. Bone, and that is to feel good about Mr. Bone.
dankmernes ยท 1568 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never want to leave Mr. Bone's wild ride
ResistorTwister ยท 920 points ยท Posted at 16:41:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to the Bone Zone
ThatGuyWhoEngineers ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:07:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All aboard the Bone Train!
BlueBusIsCallingUs ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:55:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why are you doing that bit right now?
HeywoodUCuddlemee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:55:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"E.T. phone Bone"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:52:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This guy engineers trains
goodguys9 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:27:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you, Morty? Would you like to ride The Bone Train?
NotAWallabie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LANAAAAAAA!!!!
trainers_hate_him ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard about the new show Give a Dogg a Bone? Snoop and the Bone announced it in his AMA.
DjinniLord ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kenneth Bone for Prez 2020
YES WE KEN!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:54:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope Mr Bone doesn't end up being a total creep - SNL
Jenidieu42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:49:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too late. He used his regular account for his AMA. You can go see his whole history.
UrinalCake777 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything juicy?
reliably-sleepy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:12:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He likes pregnancy porn and Jennifer Lawrence's butt.
SnugNinja ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hole. I think you're missing the important piece here bud.
reliably-sleepy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was being delicate as I am a lady, my good snugninja.
SnugNinja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
m'delicate
TheXthDoctor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:59:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PAPYRUS is preparing a bone attack.
SkeleTrash ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Papyrus seems far too innocent to bring into a discussion regarding The Bone Zone.
Now, Sans on the other hand... ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
Digitigrade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
Rathwood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like to ride the bone train, young lady?
ItsMeSatan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:27:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a train in this bone zone?
bones552 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BerzinFodder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't upvote to preserve your 666. You're welcome
Navy_Pheonix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Satan's Bedroom
Angelbabysdaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The low cal calzone Bone zone
Barney_F ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wunder (Ken) Boner
radio_soldier ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That could be taken wrong without the context. XD
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably the joke. Wanna touch Mr. Bone?
Vquez321 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:39:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doot doot thank mr bones
NectarCollecting ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/kenbone
Propagandalf-the-Red ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Greentext represent!
skullminerssneakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get bone'd
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take your upvote for the Mr. Doo reference.
Well played, counselor.
812many ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:38:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get on Mr Bone's wild ride?
remedialrob ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly wonder what the upside of his sudden fame, if there is any, has been. We all know the downside. His porn choices, the things he's said on line that may not be entirely politically correct. His entire on line history being pored over and dissected for criticism.
But men aren't the only ones with weird fetishes and women are certainly attracted to fame and all that brings.
I sort of wonder if any hot chicks with a fetish for weird professor types in bow ties and bowl haircuts have suddenly interjected themselves into his life to casually mention that they've reviewed his porn preferences... and they can do that. Or something to that effect.
stephenhg2009 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:30:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I searched his name on google during his AMA every single link was about his reddit history and how we should all hate him. It was crazy
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:58:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Duck-You-Sucker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:05:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even the creepy was endearing though. What was illegal?
hamelemental2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:44:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, that is ridiculous hyperbole, to the point of basically being a lie. He made a comment about very mild insurance fraud, and a few innocuous comments on popular porn subreddits. I guarantee you that the average redditor has said much worse.
Cytosen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:18:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a bunch of articles about how "Ken Bone is actually kind of a terrible person" because of his older reddit comments.
News is weird.
Okhlahoma_Beat-Down ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"hello Mr trump please tell me how to grab girls by the pussy. asking for a friend, thanks"
ElectronaRhea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Classic Bone
PM_ME_YOUR_PM_PHOTOS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait I thought we were supposed to feel bad about Mr. Bone now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Ken Bone
...In a sensual way...
Kongo204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to feel Mr. Bone.
Thameus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what she said.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You may laugh now but come all Hollow's Eve Mr Bone shall reveal himself as the Spooky Skeltal he really is!
meme__creep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roses are red, And the only person I condone, Is an undecided voter, By the name of Ken Bone.
KyleForCongress ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I miss the old Ken Bone...
UnderlyingTissues ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After that AMA, not feeling so good about Mr. Bone.
[deleted] ยท -46 points ยท Posted at 15:40:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:52:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you say that?
caffienatedjedi ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:22:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MSM did a huge witch hunt on him, dragged him through the mud for being less than perfect.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's because he said he was a Libertarian?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I heard the same thing in another sub. Anybody knows why is that guy being called a jerk?
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:41:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he called Trayvon Martin's shooting justified. Which it LEGALLY WAS. But the media doesn't tell you that in that same comment, he calls George Zimmerman a shit bag, and they also don't tell you he meant that it was legally justified. That narrative isn't gonna build itself.
JamarcusRussel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
look at these liberal lies. he called zimmerman a shit bird
Excalibur54 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:18:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just read the AMA. He seems like a really nice guy, but he is a bit full of himself.
lapotronic ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:08:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are giving him shit because he used his real (several years old) account for the AMA. They dug through his account history and found some things that I don't really give a shit about, but apparently some people now hate him for it.
Like are one point he called a pregnant woman in a pool a submarine. I thought it was hilarious. Some people didn't. Either way, good on him for actually using his real account. I wouldn't have the balls to do that in his situation.
minibum ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:14:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard husbands call their own pregnant wives worse. "BREAKING NOW: Middle aged man makes incredibly tame joke about pregnant women. And is Donald Trump Space Hitler? Stay on CNN."
Darth_Rasputin32898 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:23:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like most people on the internet tbh.
JelliedHam ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:32:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Isn't that the primary requirement of for reddit?
Darth_Rasputin32898 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, wouldn't we all be if something randomly made us internet famous? For real.
lordaugustus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His older Reddit comments, mostly related to porn and one of the police shooting black people "incidents" (not sure which one) where he said it was "legally justified" or some such.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:40:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might disagree that it was justified, but I've read his statement. He basically said that the courts found it legal, and he agreed with whatever the courts finding was. He did say that the shooter was still a prick.
lordaugustus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really agree or disagree- I'm not American and haven't really received enough info to make a decision. I put up the quotemarks because I think that was the phrase that he used.
Publix_Deli ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:40:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently thinking that the shooting of Trayvon Martin was "probably justified" makes you a jerk. I guess everyone forgot that a jury unanimously decided that the shooting was justified.
Also he commented on some porn subs, saying stuff that basically amounted to "wow she's pretty."
Staplingdean ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:56:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You left out that he called pregnant women in bikinis "beautiful human submarines," which is brilliant.
DickFeely ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That he isn't fake and packaged, like Hillary.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, turns out he's said some shady shit.
meatpony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow what a monster.
ani625 ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 15:05:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She must be afraid.
special_reddit ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:35:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
g15mouse ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:54:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that comment has almost 2,000 upvotes.
Just goes to show how small the percentage is of redditors who actually watch the debates vs how many of them like to debate politics.
n_body ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually read over the 'first' part
g15mouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think 2,000 other people did as well?
n_body ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maybe about 5 or so
Oh_THAT_Guy_GMD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Ken Bone's connected to the Heart Bone
SirShakes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:22:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ken Bone was in the second debate.
flojo-mojo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ambivalent
Iwouldbangyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should all just write in Ken Bone
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:45:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never said she didn't watch the second debate tho
_GameSHARK ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:32:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why'd he get so much acclaim and attention? Because he seemed to be the one person in the entire audience that wasn't a complete drooling retard? I mean, yeah, he asked a great question and it was worded very well, but those kinds of questions should be standard at a Presidential debate :-/
RepostThatShit ยท 397 points ยท Posted at 14:53:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not surprising you and your literal spawn-of-Satan offspring would choose the color of communism. The only eagle you two are accustomed to saluting is the one they used to have at Berchtesgaden. LOL
trumpchangeaintnochumpchange
Blzkey ยท 250 points ยท Posted at 15:06:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to tell if you're being serious or trolling.
Manleather ยท 408 points ยท Posted at 15:13:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've thought this for the entire Trump campaign about Trump.
liberal_texan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:28:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I accidentally went to /r/all instead of my front page last week. /r/thedonald is on all. For a second I thought I'd stumbled on a magical parody thread until I realized everybody was being serious. Or at least I think they were. Now I'm scarred.
ebilgenius ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:04:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WE WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2nd'd
RepostThatShit ยท 189 points ยท Posted at 15:29:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not serious, I mean come on that hashtag? "Trump change ain't no chump change", lol
I think they might start using that now that it's out there, though.
lazerpenguin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Many people have been saying my change is no chump change, I would never say it but many, very good, much smart people have said it."
Wiseguy_42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woo! You scared me for a moment there!
Marshmallow_man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know i am.
dhpadill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Repost that shit
CyberhamLincoln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, does stringing several words together constitute a "hashtag" if you don't actually put the pound symbol in front?
This is truly an amazing time to be alive.
averhan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did put the hashtag, Reddit's formatting turns text with a hashtag in front into bolded text.
JennifersBodyIssues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dig it and I'm not even a Trump supporter.
saxybandgeek1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you make that up? Definitely seems legit
Nrksbullet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entirety of the Donald sounds way worse than your comment, so it was legit hard to tell.
ThrasherBoys ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean no lie, I'm a Trump supporter and I'm probably gonna use that.
batshitcrazy5150 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:29:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same with most trump supporters...
alficles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Poe is strong with this one.
MotherOfDragonflies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to The_Donald.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poe's law
paeoco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really?
You_meddling_kids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact the he can spell "Berchtesgaden" should tip you off.
Juandules ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DEMOCRACY IS NON NEGOTIABLE
bozza8 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:06:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s please? oh god please? I couldn't bear humanity to be, well, that.
kickinitlegit ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 15:13:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's obvious /s. Have you ever seen a trump supporter use complicated language like that?
CynicalDovahkiin ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:27:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! They have the best words! /s
shadus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maga
Rustyastro ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Termendus werds!
Kilo_G_looked_up ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course its /s. He didnt even say cuck.
justhere2browse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does that mean?
Retired_Rentboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for not using /s, that shit is basically retarded and for such retards.
TheSoutherNerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better dead, than Red!
says-okay-a-lot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhhhhhhh
4givemedaddy4isinned ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bilary Blinton
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want the Rams to win today because I think their helmet are pretty.
JessicaBecause ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:11:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually how I watched football with my dad long ago. I also liked cats so Panthers and Jaguars were a top pick.
jihiggs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:38:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sadly there are people of voting age that vote the same wa
Im_A_BBQ_Grill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:00:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are people who vote for pettier reasons.
Ted_Nugent_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Works in fantasy football. Source: the teenage girl who beat me last week.
4Sken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aah yes, the average voter
JackHarrison1010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because good Communists start early.
GreenLanturn957 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:50:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True American spirit there!
saremei ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! Lets pick our candidate on pointless reasons like their sex or appearance, not their past scandals and huge constitution violating skeletons in their closet!
lion_queen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:12:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's a 7 year old... Chill out.
Velkyn01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down, you're gonna give yourself a heart attack.
Whyyoulookinatmaname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think your daughter might be brazy
ExternalCream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid, I used that exact same reasoning for picking the red wings as my favorite hockey team.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably how a fair percentage of Americans form their first opinions on presidential candidates.
donth8urm8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But has she seen boothead?
thehighground ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people are doing the same, it's how we ended up with a douche vs a manipulative liar
bananafananne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well obviously, because Red is Best (my favorite book as a little girl).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break this to you, but your daughter's a Communist.
Brr-Devourer-of-fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
places hand on shoulder your daughter is a communist
Cfaz99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're daughter was pretty stoned no wonder.. /r/trees
warhorse_stampede ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of little presidential expert Macey Hensley on Ellen DeGeneres and her favorite president Zachary Taylor - because he wore blue.
skyvex1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now imagine if kids could vote.
Cooper0302 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that seems as good a reason as any. I'm from the UK, don't really understand your election process much but have kinda concluded you guys are screwed no matter who you vote for. I would invite you all over here but we've gone a bit crazy ourselves lately.
Gmansam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is she a blood?
yaosio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a power suit, like Ironman.
Odoyl-Rules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8-y/o said, "I don't like the husband. He is rude. I am voting for the wife!"
XD
natha105 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So are seventy two thousand other eligible voters.
A_favorite_rug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw yes, just like the Kennedy vs Nixon television debate.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's literally the red team in the election though.
UltiMatrix11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her and ken bone coordinated
MrSenorSan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it basically sums up how US citizen vote anyway.
One side is blue and the other is red, they will vote for their preferred colour regardless of the contents.
bigsexy63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The (7) made me think I was on r/trees
SirRogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems as substantive as anything else that's come out of this cycle.
solute24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your daughter will grow up to be glorious comrade
HerRoyalVagesty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents were watching election coverage in '92 (I was 9) and I told my parents I was voting for "the shrub guy" since "I like shrubs."
PatrickAura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats why I picked her and im 14 xD
AryaTS ยท 4556 points ยท Posted at 15:18:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Red state here in a small country school. For the most part the kids say that Hillary would be impeached because her husband was. They will make fun of the way Trump looks but the majority seem to be for him winning. I have only seen one girl openly support Hillary. I honestly think they are repeating what their parents say.
This is in a 6th grade civics class so they are just learning how everything works. I introduced the idea of third party voting and what first past the post was and they had never heard about either.
The one consensus from everyone is how much they hate Obama but literally cannot back it up with one reason as to why. Again just parroting their parents.
Andromeda321 ยท 722 points ยท Posted at 16:46:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't surprise me. I was 10 in 1996 and was in a very Republican area so all the kids parroted Election Day we wanted Bob Dole to win, for no real reason. Except one girl who kept saying "Dole is pathetic, he fell off the stage!" which we not only knew nothing about, we didn't know a good thing about Dole either.
Then when he lost in a landslide we were all a little surprised, because everyone at school was for Dole! I imagine lots of kids are going to have that happen to them this year.
race-hearse ยท 315 points ยท Posted at 19:30:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember in 2000, 3rd grade, wanting George Bush because Al Gore sounded like Igor from Frankenstein.
gunmetalkatana ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:35:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frankenstein's monster was in the next election though. How did that come to pass?
foreverguiltyanon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:58:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Kerry but I can totally see that, especially as a kid.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:31:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like Herman Munster
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:20:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Different election, but I remember at school some kids were saying that if John Kerry won then he would make lollipops smaller (or maybe it was popsicles?).
The weird part is that the kid(s) at school said this plus other kids that I knew from cub scouts/my neighborhood. I don't know why or where this started, but for some reason a bunch of 3rd graders really thought a president was going to make their candy smaller.
vagabonne ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 21:41:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted Ross Perot to win in '96 because his name sounded like "perro" and I thought he was lowkey a dog. Was emotionally wrecked when we did not end up with a dog for president.
MofuckaOfInvention ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:39:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it's pronounced Eye-gore.
Mer-fishy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:54:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember I thought "Republican" and "Democrat" were insults when I was a kid. When there was a mock election in 2nd grade and I was asked if I was "voting" for Bush or Kerry I said Kerry, and the slightly older child asking me said something like "you must be a Democrat". I thought that was bad, so I switched to Bush, and she said "you must be a Republican". I kept switching back and forth between the two choices and gradually getting more and more distressed when I kept getting the same responses from this kid, until I started crying.
Const_ellation ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:25:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote a whole speech in 3rd grade that i wanted george bush to win because he had a more genuine smile than al gore.
danasaur9889 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:02:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In second grade, we were all terrified Bill Clinton would win and make the Macarena illegal.....
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sound logic. Better than most voters.
Blackbeanpurrito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend and I in elementary school used to yell on the playground at each other: "Al Gore is a bore!" "George Bush is a bush!" Basically just parroting our parents' views.
StrawberryR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember wanting George Bush because my dad's republican friends let me keep this GREAT BIG BUMPER STICKER that said "Voting for SCARY KERRY is SUICIDE!"
I still have it somewhere around here, slapped on a purple pencil case.
DrBarrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:24:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, actually the assistant in Frankenstein was called Fritz. The name Igor was first used in The Son of Frankenstein (the third movie in the franchise) and it was spelled Ygor. The name Igor we all recognize comes from the Mel Brook's movie "Young Frankenstein". (I totally know what you meant, I just wanted to mention this).
redtiger288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when I was in 2nd grade for that election. One of the girls I was talking to said she liked Bush better because he didn't kill babies like Al Gore.
Open-ended ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you were 38 in 2000.
race-hearse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i was 9
AFK_Tornado ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 19:23:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of adults are going to have that happen to them this year.
Mobiusyellow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:31:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember my friend in first grade wanted Bob Dole to win because he had yellow teeth, and it was probably the funniest thing I had ever heard.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:59:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember watching Nickelodeon in 3rd grade in 1996, they had a "Call in your vote" thing and I called in for Clinton because I liked him for whatever reason but then I called in for Dole because I felt bad that he got left out.
Plucky_Cosmic_Relief ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:41:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 1996, my kindergarten had a mock election between the candidates and I remember choosing Clinton because his name was the closest to Lincoln who I understood to be a good president as a 6 year old.
It wasn't sound logic, but at least it's better than repeating an opinion
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:16:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, at least you recognized how great Lincoln was.
kleroj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
jim5cents ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:30:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many people in red states are going to be surprised this year when Trump loses in a landslide, because everyone they know is for him
top_koala ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:41:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has been preparing his supporters for a let down, he calls Hillary crooked and says she will cheat in the election. His die hard supporters are absolutely going to accuse her when she wins.
(Not that I disagree about her being crooked)
Egg-MacGuffin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:59:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But there's so many yard signs!
Deadpool1205 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:27:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG sooooooo many yard signs...
Like did trump send an email with some incentive for people to buy 5 or more? Almost every house has at least three...
stationhollow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:21:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta buy in bulk and have plenty on hand since they get stolen at an alarming rate.
recipe_pirate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:01:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My neighbor across the street from me made this huge horrible Trump sign. It's literally a white background with TRUMP and some lights strung around it. It also looks like he didn't plan it out at all because the letters start getting smaller and more squished together.
Explosion2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:53:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Blue state resident here: I honestly think I would bet money that trump wins this state if it stays the way it is now (NJ). I don't know what the general consensus around the rest of the blue states are, but holy shit there are so many trump signs (and lots of hand-made bootleg ones too).
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:17:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No kidding, Trump supporters are using that kind of shit as a metric of success. Meanwhile, Trump has like a 3% chance of winning NJ.
TheLittlestRed23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Live in a pretty blue city in a red state. Drove out to the country the other day and oh my God it was Trump sign after Trump sign.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they are going to be disappointed Bob Dole doesn't win this year either.
Sysiphuslove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dole loves it when children vote for Dole! Dole says 'be good citizens kids!'
Joliet_Jake_Blues ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I voted for Dole knowing he'd lose, but I hated Bill Clinton so much.
But history proved me wrong, his job and income growth were ridiculously good. And he avoided wars of choice. I now think he was a good president, but kind of a scumbag (as were FDR, and JFK).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, in 1996, I was 11. I was the only kid in my class that knew about Ross Perot and voted for him. My parents have always been NPA and didn't vote for Dole, so I was as well versed on Perot as I could be at 11...my parents were voting for him, so I was too.
Now here we are in 2016 and I wish a half-ass decent third party candidate would show up again. I think it will be a long time before we have a third party candidate who can get the 19% Perot got in 92 or even the 8% Perot got in 96.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was a smart girl
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was in a heavily democratic area growing up so when we had a school wide election in 2004 and Bush only got 4 votes (out of dozens) yet won the actual election I was shocked.
medikit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dole fell off the stage in my hometown!
dinkyshrink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a little younger and I wanted Perot to win. I thought it was hilarious his name looks like "parrot".
aricberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not just kids! Was looking at a story my local TV station (in a pretty conservative area) did on people protesting at a local Trump HQ. They were all like "how can KILLARY be in the lead? I ain't seen nothin' but Trump signs. Ain't know anyone who's voting for that CRIMINAL!!" I was like "and when was the last time you left the area, bub?"
justavriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi there. Just wondering: does the radio astronomy community tend to be more left-leaning, or is it a regional thing, too?
Andromeda321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Astronomy tends to be left leaning yes. Not to say I don't know a tiny handful of outliers though.
GiantDuarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh... I assumed you were Hungarian.
Andromeda321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The nice thing about America is you can be from an immigrant family and be both! :)
GiantDuarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True that!
erasethenoise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup I was a very proud Dole supporter at the age of 7. Didn't know fuck all about what I was talking about. I definitely remember trying to convince friends who also didn't know fuck all that Dole was the superior choice because the mascot of an elephant was much more powerful than a donkey.
clandevort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't like Obama's policies that much, but if they repealed the 22nd ammendment and he threw his hat in the ring today you better believe i would vote for him. not to mention he seems like a nice guy, i'd love to hang out with him.
thecricketnerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing I know about Bob Dole is that Norm McDonald played him on SNL.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Trump wins a lot of people will be surprised.
thegoblingamer ยท 1234 points ยท Posted at 15:52:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Because he hasn't done anything!"
Meanwhile you can actually just Google it and find out that he's done an impressive amount.
EnigmaticTiger ยท 808 points ยท Posted at 16:54:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
www.WhatTheFuckHasObamaDoneSoFar.com
Edit: Sorry for the shitty mobile compatibility. Here's a similar website for mobile users: www.wtfHasObamaDoneSoFar.com
mydearwatson616 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:38:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't work well on mobile.
tmpick ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 17:49:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, Obama.
TheOffTopicBuffalo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:52:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a 1 line of code fix too :/
garmonboziamilkshake ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:29:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me your comment is fascinating and bewildering, like you actually read hieroglyphics or can invoke magic.
JeSuisUnAnanasYo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:07:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha my mom is an egyptologist and reads hieroglyphs. Dunno why I felt like sharing.
iamadrunkama ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:03:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
probably because that's awesome
Damn_Dog_Inappropes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome!! Really!!
roeravid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inspect element
Happy_McStabby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's this thing called bootstrap that'll make most webpages mobile friendly automatically for you
TheOffTopicBuffalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:21 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you even flexbox bro
awesomedude4100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
turn your phone to landscape mode
mydearwatson616 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't help much.
MairusuPawa ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:38:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't expect this link to actually lead anywhere other than a rickroll.
tmpick ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://wtfhassarahpalindonesofar.com
glasgow_girl ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:08:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best website
florge ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:37:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolute gold
GameRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agh! The red background is painful to look at.
DrSoaryn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read all that stuff in her voice.
yonil9 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:45:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I known about this in past arguments with friends.
SomethingWithMittens ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
omg i love this - I will be distributing big time. thx.
unquietwiki ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:36:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any of those not from 2010 articles?
Aerowulf9 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:34:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Yeah but what has he done for me lately?"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:38:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good or bad, the only Congressional achievement for the last 6 years has been making sure that nothing gets done.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, we have/had one for the Liberal Democrats over here, but it was an official one. I wonder who had the idea first.
sophistibaited ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That site has possibly the worst mobile compatibility I've ever seen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my favorite thing to show people.
allocater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how these 2 websites would have different meanings:
www.WhatTheFuckHasntObamaDoneSoFar.com
and
www.WhatTheFuckObamaHasntDoneSoFar.com
Arancaytar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:58 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"But aside from healthcare reform, ending the recession, getting us out of Iraq, ending the Cuban embargo, advancing science funding and protecting the environment, what has Obama ever done for us?"
Saint947 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, look at this fucking Correct the Record level bullshit trough over here.
gastro_gnome ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That website is fucking god awful.
Edit: for mobile.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so? Or just on mobile?
gastro_gnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mobile.
istilknoamuthafucka ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 17:45:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm in mobile, and I can't read any of the first three words. What did I expect from a Obama supporting website created by the same people, I imagine, that created HealthCare.Gov...
EDIT: /s
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:48:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really doubt the government and a bunch of random obama supporters are the same people.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:53:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It uses a swearword in the title and you think it was made specifically by government employees?
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that he's serious
Nojaja ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no relevant opinion on this website.
Arklelinuke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is I disagree with a lot of those things.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:37:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
www.whatthehellhasobamadonesofar.com/ is better
maestro2005 ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 16:17:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then they go right back to bitching about Obamacare.
mynewaccount5 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 16:52:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Obama but obamacare screwed up a lot for me.
terriblehuman ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:11:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree Obamacare is imperfect (Obama would probably agree) but the idea of just repealing it with no plan is appalling. It did a lot of good things, but there are flaws, so it needs to continue to be tweaked.
thunderblood ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:06:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest flaw stems from the fact that they allowed private insurance companies to have "a seat at the table".
helm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:53:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obamacare is the best healthcare plan currently politically possible. It's a shame, really.
chiefcrunch ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:00:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like what? Seriously curious.
[deleted] ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be fined if you don't have insurance. So if someone falls in the middle and doesn't qualify for free healthcare, but also can't afford it, they get fined.
DFile ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:42:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is my situation, and it sucks man. I was barely getting by, setting aside a small amount of savings. Now I've lost $2000 per year in income that goes towards insurance that doesnt even benefit me because the deductible is like $2000 before they'll pay anything, so I can't use it for doctor visits or anything. It's literally only useful if I have to go to the ER or something. And I'm living paycheck to paycheck now with no money left over after I pay my expenses.
InvadedByMoops ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:36:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Annual preventative care is covered 100% by law, so at least go get your physical done.
Zuwxiv ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could have gotten a physical for a lot less than $2k per year...
Clacie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have to pay both child support (sons mother is on the county dole) and his health insurance through the exchange because going through my employer was too expensive. My last pay period had 92 hours and I'm still struggling to get by. I applaud the ACA, but it would have been nice if they thought about the people in the middle.
surprisinglychill ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ACA doesn't set rates. ACA regulates insurance companies in a myriad ways but they don't regulate plans. Insurance companies are still free to compete with each other. ACA was a big stepping stone in getting universal health care but it's not perfect
cbftw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be fantastic if the failures of the ACA exposed how bad our system is and brought about socialized hearth care
surprisinglychill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you
mynewaccount5 ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me laugh when they mention it during the debates. Of course we have more people insured than ever. You get fined if you aren't insured. The fact that we still have so many uninsured after instituting a fine should show how poorly it's working.
PM_ME_DUCKS ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:23:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, when the fine is cheaper than the deductible it's easier to just pay that if you don't think you need the insurance.
gophergun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what many young people are choosing to do, especially if their parents opt to not pay for their health insurance.
canamrock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind the fact that the ACA fines are designed to be so toothless as to be all but voluntary. I recommend looking up the section of the law that covers it. The tax penalty cannot be enforced in any real way, can't have interest levied on it, and can be specifically not paid when paying other taxes without any issue. The complaints about the penalty basically show who does and doesn't have a clue of what they're talking about.
sweetalkersweetalker ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:20:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, what?
I have had to pay the penalty and I would dearly love to know how to "specifically not pay" it.
canamrock ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said, look up the rules for it. https://www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-for-not-being-covered/ isn't the law itself, but what's telling is the last bit there:
What happens if I don't pay the fee?
The IRS will hold back the amount of the fee from any future tax refunds. There are no liens, levies, or criminal penalties for failing to pay the fee.
I am not a lawyer / tax official, but the wording suggests so long as you pay everything else you owe, they can't act on the penalty.
sweetalkersweetalker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:41:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to tell you this, but that means you're paying the penalty.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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DarkwingMallard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:58:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who are all these people that apparently make the exact same amount of money every year and so you know exactly how much taxes you'll have to pay? Or do y'all actually pay an accountant every year to decide that for you?
Esqurel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people underpay and even it up at tax time. Meanwhile, they get to use the money throughout the year without waiting for an interest-free refund.
Fiscally, it's the better call, but it requires paying attention to your taxes and making sure you have enough to pay the difference at the end of the year. For many people, it's easier to overpay a bit and get a refund, especially for those who count on that refund as a windfall to help with bigger purchases. They could save throughout the year, but most don't.
ComplainyBeard ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC You could claim more dependents and not pay into taxes, if you usually get a refund you won't have to pay in anyway.
sweetalkersweetalker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great! Perfect excuse to borrow my neighbor's kids!
ComplainyBeard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can claim as much exemption as you feel like as on your w-2 as long as you don't lie when you actually file it's no big deal. Why lend the government money just so they can give it back to you?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So wait... People would rather be fined and essentially throw their money away than get some level of insurance to cover incidentals?
As someone from a country with universal medical insurance (which costs about 100 per month of your work doesn't cover it), I find this confusing...
PM_ME_DUCKS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:59:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Payments of $800 to $1000 per month are common from what I've heard for healthcare from the ACA, with deductibles in the $8000+ range. I have friends that are really struggling because of it. Many can not afford this (particularly with ever decreasing incomes and increasing housing costs, massive student loans, etc) so it's way easier to just pay the fine ($695 or 2.5% of your income โ whichever is higher) since it's generally less than a month's payment of insurance were you to buy it. Basic economics -- it's not worth it to people who need their money for other things.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is the fine annual or monthly?
PM_ME_DUCKS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yearly, when you file income taxes. So it's laughable compared to the amount you would have to pay for insurance.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair.
It's a shame the ACA couldn't be more inclusive. For that though I suspect you have the insurance lobbyist to thank...
PM_ME_DUCKS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure they're a part of it, but it's a pretty complex situation overall. The US has a population of about 319 million people. This is way larger than other countries that are able to get state run healthcare to work for them, like Canada for example which only has 35 million people.
We also have a larger wealth disparity than most other countries which means we have more poor people to try and support, which makes things far more difficult. When most of that burden is placed on the middle class (which is shrinking largely due to wage stagnation for the last 30 years), it's going to be a heavy burden -- thus the rates we discussed above.
And, to add to this, the US spends more money on healthcare than any other nation, but it also costs us far more for procedures, medicines and treatments here than elsewhere. In a sense it seems that we are subsidizing healthcare costs for other nations by helping to prop up the industry as what we pay helps to put more money into research and development, manufacturing and (of course) investor's wallets.
It's a complicated issue for us.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say a large part of it also comes down to the city planning.
Everyone wants white picket fences. This led to sprawling cityscapes with comparatively low population density compared to similar sized cities. Decentralised communities have much greater freedom, but they also have much greater costs, such as for essential infrastructure like roads and utilities.
If you compare China with the US, as both would be consider well-populated industrialised nations, China spends 26 times less in healthcare per capita, but they have a fully public health insurance that guarantees 50% coverage for all residents.
Even when you adjust for currency differences (five fold) and purchasing power differences (40% less purchasing power for China), the US is still spending at least two and a half times more than China.
What's left is the extra cost attributed to infrastructure planning.
childsupportthrowawy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's better for us to bite the bullet and not have insurance than pay 500 a month. We only pay a 1400 fine for the whole year, and pray to God that nothing serious happens. And we also have to pay back 4k to the government for "healthcare subsidies" because my boyfriend took marketplace insurance. His work insurance costs us 500 a month, the marketplace only 240. No checking, no verification, no explanation, no information, now we have no savings, nothing. Fucking America the beautiful right? We almost got ahead. We almost made it. But no. This system is designed to keep you from ever climbing out of poverty.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was explaining to a friend a while ago about the American dream.
It's the freedom for great success, but also great failure. It's like a lottery ticket that penalises you for not knowing the winning numbers.
Zuwxiv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After leaving my job in April, I needed to make do until my new job starts (tomorrow!). My choices: $1800 in insurance costs over 6 months of unemployment, or $695 fee assessed by the end of April.
Healthcare costs are out of control in America, but until that's fixed, I would rather take my chances as a young person.
DoktorSoviet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:41:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's like hearing Republicans brag about low unemployment during their terms.
Yeah, it's great that people are working, except when the average household income falls. It doesn't matter if I have a job, if said job pays like shit.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:03:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The president can't magically raise people's wages.
Hot4Gray ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's only this thing called the federal minimum wage.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... Which increases unemployment, and does little else.
If you write a law saying you have to pay workers more, that doesn't mean companies will magically have more money to pay more. Therefore, the law only makes some people unemployable.
Hot4Gray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:47 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an investment. When consumers have more to spend, they do.
kickrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you saying you think the president sets the federal minimum wage? Are you retarded?
Reignbow97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Republican presidents have higher unemployment during their terms. Democrats have higher inflation
kickrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's not really comparable in the same sense because guess what, your shitty paying job still pays marginally better than no job at all.
Shaken_Vesper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't qualify for free health care either, and I can't afford it, but I still buy the shit anyway because it is my responsibility to do so.
chipsnsalsa13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you are exempt from the fine. They literally tell you this. And in all honesty, if your state had expanded Medicaid you would be covered. That's not Obamas fault that is your states fault.
Source: this happened to me.
LyreBirb ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:08:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to paying that fine and more everytime you went to the doctors before the aca... Yeah boohoo. The aca isn't the problem. It's the wealth disparity.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:12:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have my mom living with me since she kinda lost everything. We tried to get her Obamacare. They wanted 650$ a month for the shit plan, because my wife and I make six figures. With my company I pay 260$ a month for two kids, wife, and I, with top benefits. I fully support Obama, but the ACA is awful. Too many bugs in that program.
surprisinglychill ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obamacare is not insurance. Obamacare is a marketplace for private insurance companies to compete under. Your beef should be with private insurance companies and not ACA itself.
By saying "Obamacare" all the time we are creating a notion that we are buying government insurance and that it sucks, but this is false. Obamacare is not at all like Medicare.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably correct, I'm not too informed on the ACA. I just look at the bills when they arrive. And the bills are too high.
surprisinglychill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you're right the premiums are higher and that's because the ACA forces insurance companies to cover everyone regardless of preexisting conditions and the insurance companies raised premiums to offset that. ACA is not perfect but it is a step in the right direction in my opinion.
hansn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:31:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most people would support a medicare for all option and/or a single payer system. But that's an argument that the ACA didn't go far enough. Before the law, it was common for insurance companies to refuse to insure expensive patients, no matter the cost.
rabbidwombats ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no expert, but if I remember correctly didn't Obama have to make all sorts of compromises to even get it approved through the senate? Of course it's going to end up flawed when you can't get everyone to work together. Just to save me from getting inundated by hate mail, I'm not calling out one party in particular, they both need to work better together.
hansn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest "compromise," at least in my view, was the Supreme Court ruling which allowed states to turn down federal money to expand subsidized coverage. This allowed a lot of politicians to say that "Obamacare is failing" when it is actually state politicians who refuse to cover their citizens.
ijustwanttovote7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly!
Hot4Gray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I tell people when they say the ACA is a failure. It was probably a great piece of legislation before it got diced up.
OublietteInTete ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:16:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people in America would not support a single-payer system.
hansn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, most do.
OublietteInTete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting! I would have guessed it would have been lower than that, but I still think it's a very precarious majority at 58%
rhymeswithvegan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Obamacare" isn't a coverage plan. There is no such thing.
LyreBirb ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:31:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So because you made six figures and we're supporting another person you don't want to pay for supporting another person yeah
mynewaccount5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
$8k for 1 person where the plan probably wont pay much for most medications is not small matter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because 650 is about three times as much as insurance normally is. Did you completely skip over that part?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:29:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the most retarded posts I've read on here in a while. I don't even know where to begin.
LyreBirb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:36:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd start by leaving the Trump rally. now I know it's going to be a little scary not being around any racists or sexists, or homophobes.
But damnit. Plenty of people live perfectly normal lives never interacting with them. You can already try .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
XD nice one dude you got me
LyreBirb ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor baby called in a trump Brigade
scroom38 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:12:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad went from good kaiser healthcare to shit tier stuff which costs more than his kaiser plan did. The new laws made good healthcare too expensive, and his company had to switch policies. Obamacare did give a lot of poor people healthcare which is nice, but it did so by fucking over the lower middle class, and funneling more money into the companies that caused the issue in the first place.
It has done a lot of good, but it has also done a lot of bad. It's a poorly written jumble of laws that needs to be replaced. What's annoying is most discussion on it devolves into a shitfest.
Boner666420 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:38:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really know much about the ACA, but were insurance costs rising specifically because of the bill or is it because insurance companies saw an opportunity to charge more under the guise of "the government is interfering with us"?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:10:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. It increased minimum required coverage and removed the pre existing condition problem which is naturally going to increase cost. Insurance companies took the opportunity to increase costs beyond what was required because they had a ready made scapegoat.
It's really hard to have a reasonable discussion about the ACA both sides of the debate are hiding facts and both sides have very valid points.
scroom38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR Fuck Obamacare because it only serves to funnel money into the hands of the people who caused the problem in the first place. "Oh, you lit a hospital on fire? Here's some more gasoline and matches, please don't do it again, you wont ever get in trouble and no-one will blame you, but still, please don't do it anymore".
It was directly because of the bill. Now, I would not at all be surprised if the insurance company also tried to fuck people over, however I do know the bill is what caused it. There was a really good discussion on this with the specific parts of the law that forced businesses to change coverage, unfortunately I did not save it. From what I remember, the old policies weren't in line with the bill's mandates. In order to afford the new "compliant" insurance for all employees, they had to do some cost cutting. Not only that, but there are extra taxes associated with all businesses now, to help pay for the people who couldn't afford anything before.
I do remember that the new mandatory policies forced some businesses (like papa johns*) to lay people off in order to cover insurance premiums for others, and many people / buisnesses are forced to tank non-compliance fees because the penalty fee for not having insurance is cheaper than having insurance, and they can't afford either.
*Papa johns was accused of being a bunch of greedy fucksticks because they laid a bunch of people off due to obamacare. I did the math, and as it turns out, even on the low end of estimated cost to businesses, papa johns would literally have gone under if they didn't employ cost cutting measures. It's great some people now have healthcare, but unfortunately many people lost their jobs because of it.
xyzyxyzyx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Very poor person here. Those of my friends who previously didn't qualify for Medicaid are significantly better off, but they seem to have achieved this by lowering the quality of Medicaid covered care across the board. I've never had deductibles before and while $3 seems like nothing to some, it can be quite a bit towards the end of the month, we've eaten on that and bulk pantry staples for a week after unexpected emergency expenses. The doctors take longer to get you in, and they put a lot of extra barriers to equal access and reasonable accommodations, usually for perfectly valid seeming reasons. My doctor used to let people wait outside and call them when it was their turn, and see couples together/allow you to bring a friend for support. Now, unless you have a documentable provable reason to receive such accommodations you can't wait outside at all, even with someone inside listening to let you know (too many patients), and you can't bring someone of the opposite sex in the exam room (mandated DV screening).
I don't like this, I remember how long it took to get dx'd with autism, and how necessary these accommodations are to my ability to access healthcare.
In short, a small subset of people, including people I care very much for aren't as likely to die so soon, but the majority of people I know are at best inconvienced, at worst entirely unable to get access to care even with the expansion and/or are receiving significantly worse care, price increases, or other significant burdens and barriers to accessing care.
A big one around here is refusing to provide insurance covered transportation to pharmacies, or refusing to send bus passes to a PO Box if you can't get mail at your home. I've known 3 people who were either hospitalized for missing medications, or had their SSI threatened for "refusing medical treatment" due to repeated same day cancellations due to insurance covered transportation issues, and quite a few more who had more minor difficulties.
TL;DR: It's caused a lot of poor people a lot of trouble too. I'm not entirely sure the small benefit it's provided is really worth all the trouble it causes ordinary people of all sorts of socioeconomic statuses, but it might also be saving some good friends' lives.
Edited for clarity
scroom38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet if you try telling this to some of the people not directly effected by it, but who are convinced its a good bill, they will argue with you and tell you that you must be mistaken, because obamacare has only caused good things to happen even when you have literally been negatively effected by it yourself.
I'm sorry to hear you've had so much extra trouble because of obamacare. I truly believe there is a way to make a basic safety net without screwing over the majority of people, but obamacare is never going to be apart of that. It's just a bad bill.
slowpitch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm genuinely curious, what do you think would be a better system/better laws for health insurance?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:11:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Universal single payer.
MaeBeWeird ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Which the ACA would have pretty much been of the senate weren't a bunch of fuckwads and made them throw out some of the most important parts before signing it into law.
I'm in the US and use a single payer health care (Tricare, it covers around 9 million Americans). It is amazing and I honestly wish everyone could do the same. I spent $300 last fiscal year on health care due to being prescribed a non-formulary medication for 6 months. I have several health problems and have had many tests and visits to specialists, as well as weekly therapist sessions. I have never been as well off health-wise as I am now because all those visits are completely free. Currently I am waiting for tomorrow to find out if I am going to need surgery and even more medications... and I am only stressed on the mental and physical toll the diagnosis would have on me, there would be no financial toll.
The parts I find most amusing are 1. People on it who have clearly never dealt with any other insurance in their life bitching that it is low quality (not in the least) and 2. People on it who say shit like "single payer would never work in the US" or "I would never want to be on a single payer system"
Way too many greedy assholes think it wouldn't benefit them, though, and they shouldn't have to pay for everyone. Ignoring, of course, that provided they live long enough it would absolutely benefit them.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a clinic that accepted Tricare, and I worked with them on a daily basis. All I can say is, we barely had issues getting coverage from Tricare, copay were minimal if even, and I only ran across one deductible and it was only $300. Tricare was my favorite insurance to work with. Fuck Medicaid and Blue Cross Blue Shield. We had so many issues with them. Of course I live in Oklahoma, so all we have now on the market for individuals to privately purchase insurance is Blue Cross Blue Shield, or if you qualify for Medicaid. BCBS barely covers jack squat, and the deductible is usually anywhere from $1000 (that's usually the minimum) to $10,000 (the ten thousand deductible made me sick for the families who had to pay all that). The paperwork that clinics have to keep up with for Medicaid is absolutely ridiculous. Everything has to be perfect, and then maybe they will approve your pre-authorization request. There have been times that Medicaid fucked up the authorization, and didn't tell us, and they wouldn't pay for those services (even though they admitted it was their mistake). It's just all around a cluster-fuck. The only other insurance I liked was Healthchoice, but you only get that from working in the public school systems.
InvadedByMoops ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tricare is legit. You might wait a little longer for non-urgent stuff but at least you get seen, as opposed to having no insurance and just hoping it doesn't get worse.
MaeBeWeird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yep. And sometimes it is way faster than other oprions.
What is going on with me is possibly bad, but not urgent. Took 2 weeks to get in to be seen (not a long wait for this issue as there was no pain or possible infection, would have been sooner if it were more urgent), 1 week after that I was in to radiology. That was a week ago and my final test hopefully giving me the all clear should be back tomorrow (a cytology test, takes a while to do). Total time from "shit I should see a doctor" to final test result in a likely okay but possibly very not okay issue has been 4 weeks.
When my grandma was diagnosed with kidney cancer, it had been long enough between "i should see a doctor" and diagnosis that she only lived another very painful month and half. I don't know what health insurance she had, but neither she nor her husband qualified for Tricare.
If I were in any of my previous insurance situations, I either wouldn't be seen (if this is bad, that would eventually be deadly) or would go in and basically be told "well it could be bad but probably isn't so your insurance won't cover tests to make sure you aren't the .008% of women who will be diagnosed with it this year"
scroom38 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
First and most importantly, stop funneling money into the insurance companies who literally caused the problems in the first place.
Second: Identify the source of the problem why healthcare is so expensive. Insurance companies pay a fraction of the bill, and tell hospitals to sue if they don't like it, so, hospitals overcharge. Additionally, hospitals must buy their supplies from a limited number of distributors. They can't just buy Tylenol from CVS, or straight from manufacturer, they have to buy it from a distributor who massively inflates the price of the bottle because they know the hospital has to go through them. I remember seeing a picture of a hospital bill for one of those $2 metal surgical trays you see. $22, simply because the distributor can charge it.
Now I'm sure that there are more issues I am unaware of. In order to properly solve the problem, a team of people a whole lot smarter than me need to start digging. Follow the money trail, and see where the pitfalls are. Somewhere along the line, there is something vacuuming up massive amounts of money, and we are all blind to it. Or maybe its just hundreds of tiny pits that accumulate into something massive by the time it hits the consumer. Either way, if there is a massive money sink, we can't just keep throwing money into it hoping it will get full.
My ideal healthcare laws? Fix the money leaks, hospitals charge a reasonable price, and bill directly to consumer with government / insurance assisted payment plans. Teach efficient finance in public school instead of whatever stupid bullshit I had shoveled into my head to assist people in making smart choices. From the day of the law onward, insurance companies are charged $15 billion for every provable instance of not paying hospitals in full, and executives will be similarly charged. Hospitals will be governed similarly, having legal and monetary repercussions for attempting to price gouge insurance companies. Why such a stupid large price? Where would the fee money go? Penalty fees go into the government medical care / welfare account, and the reason is because current fees are not nearly large enough. Big businesses can simply tank penalty fees in order to fuck people out of massive amounts of money. Make a penalty fee, reoccurring as many times as needed, large enough that it would tear the carpet right out from under their feet if they try to disobey.
Honestly I've got a lot of ideas on how a complete restructure might work, and a lot of them tie into eachother. I'm sure someone much smarter than myself would probably look at them and have a million and one reasons why it wouldn't work, but as of right now I feel like my ideas are sound.
mynewaccount5 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:10:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Insurance costs thousands more my deductible is higher and I dont get as much coverage I used to. So now I don't get to go to the doctor as much and if I have a minor issue I probably can't afford to do anything about it.
ZenRollz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did you used to have and why did you switch?
mynewaccount5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember what I used to have but now I have the HBCBS silver plan.
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 17:24:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Umm, shut up? Obammercare is awesome.
Edit: Why are you guys downvoting me??? This guy is saying Obamacare is bad which we all know is completely untrue.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even with the edit your comment rings my troll bell. When I'm not sure I don't vote, but I would bet that's what happened with others.
I don't mean to call you a troll at all, that's just my answer to your question.
HotPandaLove ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's expensive af for a lot of people, including myself and everyone i know (obligatory i know that's anecdotal), and coverage isn't even that good.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:07:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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xyzyxyzyx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor person here. My sister and I have dental now. And my carer and bro in law have health coverage, and even better dental than I do. My carer being alive is awesome, not just for me, but the thousands and thousands saved not having the government caring for me in a home.
That said, my doctor quit, his replacement had to get read of all the accommodations that used to be allowed, so now I stand out like a sore thumb being allowed to have someone of the opposite sex accompany me (carer is also medical guardian), and being allowed to wait outside to be called back to see the doctor.
I have copays now. I never had copays before. Usually they're $3-15, which doesn't sound bad until you realize that $10 is the monthly hygiene budget for all the males in the house, and $15 can be food for all seven of us for up to a week and a half if necessary. Common and needed medications can still be easily beyond our means.
It's done some good, but you'll find plenty of poor people willing to complain about what Medicaid expansion has done for the quality of their care, or willing to say that providing sub-standard care and bragging about expanding coverage is just lib politicians trying to show off how enlightened they are and how much they "care" about us while not really caring at all.
chiefcrunch ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:21:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got to stay on my mother's insurance until I turned 26, which was great since I was still in school, and there's no way I could afford insurance while in grad school. You can't be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions anymore, and that is huge. More people are insured than ever before. It made shopping around for insurance pretty simple for me after I turned 26, and affordable while I still make shitty pay barely above the poverty line. I have heard people's prices went up, but for everyone I know around my age, we're benefitting greatly from it. I'm sure it can be improved, but when was the last time a president did something big with the healthcare system?
Battledude46 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:25:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a student in college debt, Obama care trippled my insurance cost while picking the bare minimum coverage that I can't really use for anything unless I am dieing and ready to pay a huge deductible
GA_Thrawn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister had to switch her newest kids doctor after Obamacare because the doctor who had taken care of and delivered her previous 4 children was no longer covered for her. It's bullshit
notHooptieJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:08:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i get fined for not having insurance i cant afford to buy and will never be able to afford to use.
Callawayc7 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you serious? Anybody who had insurance before Obamacare got screwed afterwards with premiums going up 2-3 times if not more!
gophergun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a hardcore leftist, but I was unable to afford insurance even before insurance premiums started increasing dramatically. This year insurance looks like it'll rise about 7-8%, but my income certainly hasn't. My employer's insurance is too expensive for it to be considered affordable for me under the ACA (over 8% of my income IIRC), so I'll at least be exempt from the fine for another year, but I'm still one of the 28 million uninsured Americans, and likely to remain that way as long as the penalty is more affordable than insurance (until my health starts to decline, that is).
Luftwaffles93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I had a decent plan before. Now I pay a substantial amount more and most doctors in my area are booked way in advance. Before I could get an appointment within a week with my primary now it's common to have to wait a month or more. This is relative to all primary care physicians in my area.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not base the overall effectiveness of a program on the personal satisfaction of individuals. Just because it doesn't work well for you doesn't mean it won't help countless others.
EDIT: Grammar
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's helped the poor while fucking over almost the entire middle class (mostly lower middle class). I saw it constantly when I worked in a clinic that accepted insurances. Deductibles of $1000 as minimum, and several up to $10,000. So much wouldn't be covered due to bullshit reasons. I've heard from many parents that premiums were going up to $2000 a month sometimes (this was with Blue Cross Blue Shield). In Oklahoma, insurance companies couldn't afford to keep plans that weren't "approved" by Obamacare, and will not have any plans, other than group plans for businesses, that are approved by Obamacare (United Health is an example of this). In 2017, Oklahoma will only have Blue Cross Blue Shield and Medicaid as an option, unless someone's work provides a different group plan. So what does a company do when their competition is eliminated? You've got it, Blue Cross Blue Shield jacked their rates to unaffordable prices. Now there are so many people with no insurance because they can't afford it. So yes, it's screwed over a LOT of people.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:21:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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PM_ME_YOUR_PM_PHOTOS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama hasn't done a single thing in his presidency! He's ruined everything and taken all our guns and mandated Sharia law and invented ISIS! America is a third world country because a gay black muslim communist dictator is in charge!!!
RedHorseStrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obamacare screwed me over too.
hefnetefne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And how much they love the ACA.
poop_toilet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even though many of them rely on Obamacare.
thinkbox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The affordable care act is no longer affordable and pretty much raised the cost of healthcare for everyone and now people are abandoning the marketplace.
It is hard to look at the ACA and match it up with ANY of the promises that Obama made about it. It ended up just being lie after lie.
When he ran he was also very outspoken against the patriot act and war. He made the patriot act permanent and our foreign entanglements haven't gotten any less complicated.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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cubbiesnextyr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:37:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, to be fair most of politics is supposed to be agreeing to compromise which both sides have failed to do.
As for the SCOTUS, yeah, the Senate needs to either hold a vote and confirm him or deny him, this doing nothing is a complete farce and it's going to bite them in the ass when Hillary wins.
iKILLcarrots ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:05:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean shit he just last week stopped victory tax and put in changing stations in male restrooms.
thinkbox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He legacy is intact!
[deleted] ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 17:51:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Changing stations? Russia is threatening war and you bring that up as something he has just recently done?
He helped screw up things in the middle east.
The guys been campaigning for Hillary because she isn't. She has one appearance between here and election so someone has to.
But changing rooms? This is the lefts problem, you've literally no sense of priorities or even what a president is supposed to do and bathrooms isn't a task he should worry about unless he wants to distract people from real issues.
Like russia. Threatening war. Because Obama is basically funding isis. But changing rooms. Unless this is sarcasm.
iKILLcarrots ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:27:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, just stop with Nationalist party rhetoric please. He was a decent dude who works in a corrupt system. Not a single candidate who ran this year is or was gonna change that.
You know his presidency was filled with things that both positively and negatively impacted the country, he did some good and he did some bad. It's about the best we can hope for in a broken machine.
You're candidate with still be a cog in the broken machine on the 8th and nothing is going to change that. Be it Left or Right aligned you're voting for a figure head and if the puppet masters are barking war then it's another war we are going to suffer through.
You want to avoid war? You want peace? Start building better community relations. Spend you're time organizing ways for you're community to meet each other and understand one another better. Support friends and family that want to go into politics with a progressive and inclusive ideology that keeps everyone protected.
You're so up in arms man, but your anger is the exact problem that allows shit like this to happen. You've been divided and conquered.
Yalawi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:10:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Legitimately curious - if you see Russia as so much of a threat, how do you view Trump's praise of Putin or refusal to acknowledge Russian hacking and Ukraine incursion? What do you think of Trump on the Russia issue?
bcardell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You seem very Zen, Mr. Monk.
beccaonice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh go away
Myhouseisamess ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why do the democrats keep screaming that congress won't let him do anything?
Luftwaffles93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because most people (on both sides) are incapable of acknowledging anything positive about the other. It's a big US vs THEM mentality and it gets reinforced by whatever circle jerk threads you visit.
Marshmallow_man ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:10:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler also did an impressive amount. /s
thegoblingamer ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 16:18:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct.
That's why I sit at home all day and browse memes. If I end up doing an impressive amount of work, I may accidentally become Hitler.
Notanovaltyaccount ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:38:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Accidentally Hitler Syndrome" is very dangerous. My doctor prescribed a life of laziness in order to fight this illness. I take two procrastination a day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Take with food, or whatever."
Coming2amiddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll do it later.
ArrYarrYarr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:35:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How noble
thegoblingamer ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:39:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm doing this for your safety.
Vulpinand ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I called out a friend on facebook for claiming something similar (even though we're both Canadian) and presented him with evidence of what Obama has done over his terms. All of a sudden, he was "only joking" and trying to fight "all the left wing stuff" he sees on his newsfeed.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's awesome because of all the jerking off you guys are doing, none of you wrote anything, you just wrote stories about schooling others or how dumb people like that are.
Vulpinand ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like me to post the evidence I showed him here too? I didn't think it was really relevant but I can if you'd like.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, in fairness, he could be a little more white. That would probably help him with these kinds of voters.
UseVoatEh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
name something impressive he has done then
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Accused russia of hacking emails and trying to start a nuclear war?
Ruining health care?
Lied about knowing hillary had an email server?
Made race relations it's worse in decades?
Made relations with the police worse?
First president to assassinate someone?
Top president with most kills by robots including civilian deaths with robots. Also known as drones.
First president to win a Nobel Peace prize and then attack 6 or 7 countries?
Made all the spying worse than bush did by increasing what the nsa could review?
Campaigning for Hillary in lieu of hillary. She wasn't fit when she ran against him but now she is.
Edit can't believe I forgot he pissed the internet to the u.n.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:05:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are a lot of facts with no sources.
Reignbow97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a Trump supporter so it's not surprising
Bisuboy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-his policies lead to the rise of the biggest terrorist organization in the history of our race (ISIS)
-he managed to double national debt
-he managed to put race relations back a good 30 years
that's quite something
BryceTheBrisket ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like doubling the national debt
Boostin_Boxer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's definitely raised healthcare cost! To say he hasn't done anything is just naive.
krymz1n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โข Nobel prize for getting elected
โข used drones more than any other president
โข wants to prosecute Snowden
โข made insurance more expensive for everybody who had it
โข signed the 2012 NDAA (which allows citizens of the United States to be imprisoned by USAF without due process) on New Year's Eve when nobody was looking
SecretPerson1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im a blue blooded liberal democrat through and through but lets keep it real here. I dont think conservatives believe that he has not done an impressive amount. They believe that he's done an impressive amount, but of bad things or things they dont like. They think it's unsustainable to have endless years of deficit spending and that since true wealth in it's most basic form is created by production (produce stuff=have stuff, go figure), it's unwise to disincentivize production at the same time.
It's all good though, they'll figure it out eventually. Just because Im not working doesnt mean that Im a drain on the economy! I support myself every 1st of the month when my EBT refills and I head down to Wal Mart and get all my supplies for the month. But fuck Wal Mart because they dont give me free shit. QUE VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!
GrumpyKatze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's something he needs to gitmo motivation to do while he's still president.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or because he's done way too much
yeaheyeah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
King Obama the tyrant who does nothing.
Was an /s really necessary?
thegoblingamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think so. Here's an uppy to stay afloat
HaydenGalloway10 ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 16:15:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what? Seriously what has he done?
He only has one signature piece of legislation and thats Obamacare and its about to be repealed because its failing.
His immigration amnesty was already shut down by a federal judge.
He didn't end the wars in the middle east, in fact he started a new one in Libya.
Race relations are worse, percentage of Americans employed is below what it was when he took office(65.7% vs 62.6% now). Seriously what has he done AT ALL, let alone in an "impressive amount"?
yungkef ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:44:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I really feel like it's less that "us vs them" has increased and more-so that white people are actually starting to pay attention to the systematic racism minorities experience in this country.
Obamacare saved me and many of my peers from working minimum wage without affordable healthcare. Thanks Obama!!
Um also let's not forget about the legalization of gay marriage? That's one less form of legal bigotry that the U.S. can hold of its citizens' heads.
Looks like unemployment is down from the Bush administration... http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate
You're right about immigration though, ICE is going way out of line with some of the bullshit they've been springing on citizens in California/Arizona/New Mexico/Texas.
http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/ Oh, and there's 50 more things he's accomplished which could have been found by literally googling "things obama has done as president"
StateChemist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While facing total opposition from a republican led congress.
M_C_Prolapse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shhhhh! He's trying to circlejerk, this is not a place for logic and sources to back up claims.
DerAufseher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's another list: http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ANTHONY FUCKING KENNEDY AUTHORED THE MAJORITY OPINION IN Obergefell v. Hodges
You people are INSANE.
Also, everything else you believe is a lie.
EDIT: Chris jesus, top 50 accomplishments:
Passed Health Care Reform: Failing miserably. According to both parties.
Passed the Stimulus: Horrible. And puts us further into crippling debt.
Passed Wall Street Reform: Bullshit and by all accounts didn't work anyways. Just adds more bureaucratic bullshit and regulations so only companies who can hire dozens of lawyers can succeed.
Ended the War in Iraq: Biblical scale disaster.
Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: How is starting a draw down an accomplishment? An accomplishment would have been stabilizing the middle east.
Eliminated Osama bin laden: There is a 50/50 chance if you put a "Kill Osama" button and a "Don't kill Osama" button in front of my fucking cat those navy seals still would have killed Osama.
Eliminated Osama bin laden: This is more of a Bush accomplishment, and Bush actually made us money on this one...
Recapitalized Banks: Yay debt.
Repealed โDonโt Ask, Donโt Tellโ: Yeah this is an accomplishment.
Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: Horrible idea, disaster, an entire country ruined and ISIS running free killing people... Horrible horrible.
Told Mubarak to Go: lol
Reversed Bush Torture Policies: 'member how he closed Guantanamo on day 1?
Improved Americaโs Image Abroad: WHAT?
List goes on... Apparently his top fifty accomplishments are essentially destroying the middle east while doubling our debt.
yungkef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're absolutely right, but he was the first president to openly support gay rights.
I'm not really sure how to refute considering how lazy your response was...
AFoundingFather ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His reply wasn't that lazy, listed out some pretty solid reasoning. Trump supports gay marriage too, what's your point? Times have changed. It's now the acceptable and mainstream thing to support gay marriage.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I edited it and added more.
But you were implying legalization of gay marriage was something Obama did. Which he did not. Simply being present does not make it his accomplishment.
theivoryserf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
'Mywifeisafuckingcunt'
Ooh, this should be a sensitive and well-researched document. What a treat.
'Improved Americaโs Image Abroad: WHAT?'
In my country the Bush was an utter laughing stock. He was a punchline for left and right. He was skewered throughout our media. He was president from when I was five to thirteen, so I'm afraid my view of Americans as a child was of stereotypically dumb cowboys. Near everyone here loves Obama. He's articulate, calm, thoughtful and sensitive. Nobody here would dispute the improvement he's brought to the perception of the US,.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a thought out response!
thegoblingamer ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:21:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On mobile so can't proper cite. I can just say "google it" (I know, I'm sorry).
How the fuck is race relations his fault? I'd say it's the media and people's innate "Us vs. Them" mentality. If you're blaming that on the Obama, then you're just being silly and pointing fingers.
DerAufseher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is from 2012 but http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/
HaydenGalloway10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't blame him. But you said he did so much. And one of the things he claimed he would do is fix race relations. He didn't do it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
uhh did you miss when he called police officers racist without waiting for any evidence and then possibly as a result of that 5 cops were shot in dallas, so then he went to their funerals and called them racist again?
MurphyBinkings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are literally making that up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/philando-castile-falcon-heights-shooting.html
So without all the facts, due process, a trial, evidence, ect... He makes it a race issue. Calls America racist, the cops racist, everyones a RACIST.
You people need to stop being so fucking dishonest, you can't just ignore 99% of what Obama does and pretend he is a good president.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/disgusting-obama-lectures-america-racism-memorial-service-slain-dallas-cops-video/
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7411/7-disgusting-things-obama-said-while-hijacking-ben-shapiro
And here is a super liberal media source so you can't claim this never happened and its being made up by the vast right wing conspiracy... http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/287419-in-mourning-dallas-victims-obama-makes-plea-for-unity
MurphyBinkings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please for unity equals calling everyone a racist. Honestly what the fuck is wrong with you?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You literally only read the headline from the liberal media source and used it as your entire argument. Good job!
MurphyBinkings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are truly obtuse.
What a fucking fantasy world you live in. Saying that racism is an issue is calling everyone racist?
Talk your bullshit somewhere else.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you forget to switch accounts?
MurphyBinkings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have one account and needed to respond to your ignorance twice.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't actually said anything of substance this whole time. Just one big REEEEEEEEEEEEE.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:20:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh right like when he said it was easier to get a Glock than a book.
junglebeatzz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:57:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes,because it didn't happen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying republicans like used some kind of high tech computer simulation or like some kind of Obama-robot to make him call the cops who shot Philando Castille and that other guy (the felon sex offender with the gun outside that gas station) racist, and then go to dallas and call cops racist again during the funeral for the officers... Or what? I mean its on video, he gave a whole big speech and a lot of people watched it. Confused as to why you would say it didn't happen.
junglebeatzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a vivid imagination,but I'm saying I saw obama speak at the funeral,and he didn't call cops in general racist. Nor did he call the dallas cops racist.As far as the Dallas shootings we cant assume the shooter's motivations at all really.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama at the funeral for the officers... Equating the shootings...
Obama at the funeral. Calling police departments racist, and apparently everyone else too.
Obama calling police racist.
All that at the funeral. And that is just a few of the fucked up things he said.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um how dense are you? You are more likely to get pulled over if black, numbers don't lie. Many police departments profile racially, it's obvious. I live in North GA, and I have a buddy that is a cop here. He's cool, but he has personally told me about other cops who are literally full blast racist. It happens, and more than you think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are more likely to get pulled over if you are black, you are also more likely to commit a traffic offense. https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=250175
I'm dense? You hear "black people get pulled over more often" and don't use any sort of critical thinking or anything at all... and just go OK WELL THATS CUZ RACISM IS SO BAD AND STUFF. and I go... Hmmm why is that? Maybe ill fucking google it instead of using my uncle as a source.
edit: you are also more likely to commit traffic offenses if you are poor, and you are more likely to be poor if you are black... you are also more likely to be pulled over if you are in a shitty neighborhood, which you are more likely to be in if you are black.... But lets ignore that and call cops racist at their funeral.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Density. I'm not sure where you were raised, but in the south there is tons of racial profiling. Sure the statistics show that blacks committed more crimes because there are more blacks in poverty, and poverty is directly related to crime. It's not about the actual criminals. It's about the innocent people that get arrested. Falsifying charges. Overzealous charges. It's a reality that a lot of people have not seen. To put this into perspective there was a cop at my dad's restaurant when I was 13. I was helping serve food, and walked by a table that some cops were sitting at. As I'm walking by I hear "did he have a gun?". Then "no, but who cares? One less nigger walking the streets". So sure many times it's justified, but fucked up racist shit happens. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it isn't there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure statistics! However, my anecdotal evidence and feelings are more important! Hahhahaha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try expanding your horizons child. Your arrogance is your weakness.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahhahaha that's so cringe/neckbeard/I'm14andthisisdeep oh god. I pray you are not old enough to vote and will grow out of this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up dirt poor in the ghetto, as the only white person. I make six figures now. I've seen both sides of the story. You've obviously only seen one side. Keep burying your head in the sand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you grew up dirt poor in the ghetto but your dad owned a restaurant and your uncles a cop and now you make six figures. Tell me more about how you were a poor disadvantaged child who learned the horrors of racism while hanging out around cops eating lunch. Also please assume anyone who actually spends the time to learn facts is privileged and will never understand what it's like to be a poor little black child like you. Are you also blind lesbian with a hook hand?
Check your privilege cuz im a limbless transsexual black lesbian orphan illegal immigrant homeless Muslim.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm white. My father opened a restaurant when I was 14 with money that came from a deceased relative. I said a buddy of mine was a cop, not my uncle. Your reading comprehension is elementary. You literally can't even keep up with a small conversation on reddit, yet you're magically intelligent enough to understand societal oppression and the effects on culture? Have you ever even heard of philosophy? In short your last little paragraph just proves that you are not educated, and don't actually comprehend things that are said to you. Enjoy always being right with your futile grade school debate tactics. Bye child.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No plz. Youre too hillarious. Tell me more about your family money and inheritance and how your dad opened a restaurant when you were 14 but you were in the restaurant when you were 13 and cops were racist...
You can't keep your lies straight from one comment to the next... Haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you live in GA I'd be more than happy to show you around his restaurant, Introduce you to him, and make it easy for your feeble mind. I never lied. You're just slow and can't comprehend basic English. I made a typo with the 14. I was 13. Any other silly remarks you'd like to make? How about Facebook or Twitter? Really though. Proving what I'm saying only takes a few clicks of a button. Do you actually want proof? Or do you want to just deflect your ignorance because you're too arrogant to admit that you fucked up. And you think I shouldn't vote, the irony.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God this is comedy gold. You haven't even made an argument besides "cops and (everyone?) are racist because of my personal feelings and my personal feelings are fact because I was poor until I was 13"
Being poor or disadvantaged doesn't make your feelings into facts. facts are completely separate from personal feelings. Which is why I don't tell people about my personal circumstances. It doesn't matter if I'm rich and white and grew up rich and white or if I'm Latino and was homeless as a teen and my mom doesn't even know what year she was born becuase she immigrated without any documents as a child... Neither of those scenarios would make a fucking difference.
I don't care if you vote. you live in GA. I was just hoping you grow up at some point.
junglebeatzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your argument that because he says bias and racism exists after segragation and within police departments,that means he's also saying all cops are racist?These two ideas are mutually exclusive.On top of that, one of the presidents jobs domestically is to enforce laws. To discredit police,an important group for that goal,live on national tv would be making his job a lot harder.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't just saying bias and racism exist... He is saying that stuff as a direct response to a specific incident... and then EQUATING those incidents with the murder of 5 police offices AT THEIR FUNERAL. Before all the facts are known about those incidents. He is attempting to race bait.
Even though saying what I am about to say will allow you to completely ignore everything I just said because it is so obvious and damning...
It is not the Presidents job to enforce laws. That is for the police, courts, and DOJ. He appoints some judges and the AJ, and is sworn to defend the constitution. He is a politician, which is why he is race baiting and making it more difficult for the police to do their job.
junglebeatzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would only make sense if 1.The dallas shootings were of the same nature of recent police shootings believed to be fueled by racism.2.Share his desire for Americans to respect police forces. Also,it is the presidents job to enforce laws,as shown here:https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/executive-branch. But just like your local police chief, he doesn't handle it personally,but delegates to groups like the DOJ which is under the executive branch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is Obama. At the funeral. He is the one equating and yeah it doesn't make sense because they are not the same at all. One was a racially motivated execution of 5 people. And the other two WE DONT KNOW. He is race baiting.
junglebeatzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To say we should feel sorrow for victims of all of these tragedies is different from equating the severity of each situation. It would be fair to say which situation the president thought was more severe by whose funeral he attended. How do you know the dallas shootings were racially motivated? Thee first cop to be killed was the same race as the shooters.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm not an idiot and I research things at least a little bit before forming an opinion.
I mean come the fuck on man I get that some people form opinions without knowing the facts but why are you arguing about something you don't know anything about? You should really try reading about current events and like read multiple sources so you know about things. Do you really think that someone(you) who didn't know the motivations of the Dallas shooter should be arguing about Obamas speech at the funeral? Does it seem like that person(you) is likely making logical well informed conclusions and arguing intelligently?
Banshee90 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:28:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL obama has pushed the Us vs them mentality. See trayvon martin case.
thegoblingamer ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:37:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To refresh myself I actually read his statement after the verdict... and I gotta say...
If you thought that was him pushing the "Us vs. Them" mentality, then you need to really work on reading comprehension.
At no point did he call out white people. Never once. He said it could have been different if Trayvon was white, which is true since it COULD have.
I think if you're getting that from what he's saying, you really believe in the Us vs. Them and are just pointing fingers.
The media on the other hand.. I'll just say fuck them for how they handle any and all criminal cases that get popular.
AFoundingFather ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally implying he wouldn't have been killed if he was white, which is race-baity. That makes blacks feel like "we aren't being treated fairly." While personally I don't believe that's true, I can see how several events make it seem that way. But if you look at statistics, (on mobile but I'll link if you want) more white people have been killed by black people this past year.
As far as I can understand, that's calling out white people because, as black people seem to believe they aren't being held to the same standards, despite the fact they can get employed easier as a result of racial quotas, as well as scholarships for university, and other benefits white people just don't get. In fact, my friend's own brother scored better on the final exam in Officer Candidate School than his black competitor, but was unable to get in as a result of a racial requirement that had to be met.
But going back to the calling out of white people, whether Obama intended it or not, he has undoubtedly created tension between black and white citizens by implying inequality exists. In this way, his comments do create an "us vs them," mentality, when he should be focusing on the issue of police brutality.
thegoblingamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's saying that it could mean he wouldn't have been killed if he was white. We don't know. That wasn't even the point of his speech though
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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HaydenGalloway10 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes to make it more corrupt than ever. He has used the espionage act to persecute more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined
Then why is the labor force participation rate worse? Why after accounting for inflation is the median salary stagnating?
not one single wallstreet banker went to jail for the subprime mortgage bubble.
ohpee8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously didn't read any of the specific examples you deplorable piece of trash. All you idiots do is look at headlines, which is evidenced by you listing only what was bolded.
Bisuboy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-his policies lead to the rise of the biggest terrorist organization in the history of our race (ISIS)
-he managed to double national debt
-he managed to put race relations back a good 30 years
he did quite some things
thegoblingamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeano. ISIS was gonna happen regardless due to our presence in the middle east and the disaster after our initial invasion and leaving. We've had them coming for like the last 20 years
Bisuboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leaving Iraq and destabilizing Syria were the two main things that made ISIS become the biggest terrorist organization in the history of this planet, so it is clear that Obama's policies lead to today's ISIS.
thegoblingamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ISIS was just the next Taliban and Al-Qaeda which both were before Obama.
HungJurror ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Also, thanks to him now middle class families who can't afford healthcare are now forced to pay for it
Lol figured you guys would like this
SomethingWithMittens ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BUT HE RUINED EVERYTHING AND MADE MURRICA BAD - IT WAS PERFECT BEFORE HIM.
Ugg.
HailToTheKink ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it wasn't for probably the most do-nothing congress in history, he'd be considered a top 10 president no question.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like pull out troops out of the shithole called the middle east, right?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His foreign policy must be seen as disasterous.
ChristyElizabeth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I promised my republican friend that if obama didn't lower unemployment and our debt by the time he was outta office, ill eat a hat. Looks like I'm not eating a hat.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An impressive amount of damage, yes. What about the $1.3-billion arms deal (guns/tanks/trucks/ammo) he just made with Saudi Arabia who we know are actively funding and providing resources for ISIS (HRC even admitted to that knowledge in her leaked emails) where we actually lost $0.4-billion on the deal. Or the $1.7-billion in cash he just gave to Iran without congress' approval. $400-million of which was supposed to be for the few American hostages they had taken. You remember that? Because I remember that we were never supposed to negotiate with terrorists.. and then I remember Obama promising $400-million for them.. and then when they were finally released after being held hostage for over a year I remember Obama making them buy their own flights home - how shitty is that? Or how about the fact that he always picks on Trump for wanting to build a wall along the Mexican border "ahh, why would we need a wall? Walls never work.. hurr-du-hurr" and then he goes and gives Mexico $76-million for them to go build a wall on their southern border of MX/Central America. Like, are you serious? Obama is a piece of shit.. I just wouldn't expect those little kids saying that to know those facts.
iHaveNoSocialFilter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.martinoauthor.com/list-obama-failures/
Psudodragon ยท -35 points ยท Posted at 16:16:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is impressive how much his handlers have fucked the country. Obama himself doesn't do anything aside from smoke crack and watch gay porn. The Democratic leadership calls the shots. That's why they ran a candidate this year who is mentally unfit to be president. She can repeat lines given to her and that's all they need
818lafan ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:49:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice tinfoil hat you got there
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poe's law anyone?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:41:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have a source for literally any of that?
M_C_Prolapse ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:49:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brietbart, his Facebook feed, that one homeless dude you always see at the bus stop.
Psudodragon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who work in the white house and people who saw him wandering around DC while high. He use to do that a lot early in his tenure as president. They have him,under tighter control now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you don't have a source?
Psudodragon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My source is straight from the horse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure bud.
An0therB ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:50:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's common sense that he watches gay porn and smokes crack? How did you draw that conclusion?
An0therB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poe's Law
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to tell when that seems like an answer that he would reasonably give.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:55:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Psudodragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not,very since it is the truth
eyusmaximus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why the US needs the ability for presidents to run for longer than 2 terms, but then they'd also need to stop their election process from being rigged.
LyreBirb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get rid of fptp voting, use (iirc) alternative run off.
Eliminate the electoral college. It had a purpose back when only the top ten percent were literate and their ten percent educated. Now it's a tool of corruption invalidating the will of the people. Yes against both parties.
eyusmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FPTP works in the UK.
LyreBirb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the loosest sense of the word Works. You idiot voted for brexit, in not sure you can claim fptp works.
Yes I know those aren't directly related but without first-past-the-post voting you would have never been in a position to do it
eyusmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant works as in it works, not as it it's beneficial.
Maybe we'd have more remain votes. But I think it'd be more likely for the leave results to be even higher. There's a lot of xenophobia and stupidity in the British public. Unless that's the vocal minority, we'd be getting more leave votes, especially since most people that wanted to vote remain did vote remain as they saw how important it'd be.
But you can't say for definite if Brexit would've been successful or not.
Also, it's a good way to know what your prime minister wants. Theresa May dislikes the idea of leaving the EU and she can easily say the referendum didn't count.
LyreBirb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm saying to first-past-the-post technically works as intended it's just completely stupid.
I didn't say the vote would sail if you were using a run-off system I said the vote never would have taken place if you were using a runoff system.
And for the record I used voice to text and yes it's decided on two different ways to say run off sorry make that 3
dynaboyj ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hell, I'm 17 and I still pretty much parrot's my dad's liberal views. It's never uncommon for people who don't know what they're talking about to want to form an opinion.
pivotraze ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:50:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's obvious. Obama is one letter away from Osama. Not only is he a terrorist, but a socialistic terrorist.
/S
KalAl ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It always confused me how so many people were suddenly on a first name basis with Bin Laden around the same time that Obama became President.
CoffeeAndKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew people who actually thought this in high school...
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama Biden!
Osama Bin Laden!
They're mocking us!
Drachefly ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:27:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/EndFPTP
I hope you described what some alternatives were. Hopefully more than just IRV, which is the worst alternative and most commonly used.
atomicthumbs ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:57:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's sixth grade my dude
legaladult ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, if I were teaching a class like that, I'd give a basic lesson on how it works and then show it in action. For example, how someone can win the vote when the majority didn't vote for them (possibly by having them vote for favorite cartoon characters or something).
oogachucka ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:52:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you teach them nothing else, ingrain this in their little fertile minds...that we don't HAVE to always choose between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche...that and the importance of voting for your state senators and congressmen as well as state government, that's how you get real time change where you live.
MalachiBM ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Instead of voting for a Turd Sandwich or a Giant Douche, you can vote third party for a Turd Roll or a Small Douche!"
whogivesashirtdotca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, this. As a Canadian I'm hardly more blessed to have 5 shitty choices on the ballot instead of 2.
Sun-Anvil ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first time I voted, I voted for Reagan (round 2) and I voted that way because my Mom and Dad did. I was maybe in my mid to late 20's before I started paying attention on my own.
ChronosFT ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:51:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is how Republicans are trained.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Replace Obama with Bush and the same is true for Democrats. You may have a different set of opinions but you aren't exempt from this behavior.
by_whom ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:45:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually people don't like Bush because he was a bad president. Taxes dropped some, but it led to a soaring budget deficit after it had finally been balanced for the first time since the 1820s. He oversaw one of the worst economic disasters ever and did nothing because in a few months it wouldn't be his problem. He signed into law the PATRIOT act and started the NSA spying program. Oh and Iraq? Yeah, I can never figure out how the right somehow justifies making up bogus reasons to invade a sovereign nation. We all know it was really about finishing what dad started and making Cheney and his friends rich, and who cares about the fact that it destabilized an entire region.
Yeah, most Democrats have a reason for disliking Bush. Ignorant Republicans dislike Obama because he's black.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:54:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ignorant Republicans dislike Obama because he is black"
Got it, anyone who doesn't like Obama is just racist. Way to hide behind the race card. Not to mention racist to assume that just because a white person doesn't like a black person it is because of race.
StaticSins ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:05:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except.. that is why most don't like him. Or they think he's muslim. Same same.
TrilobiteTerror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:57:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not sure why the 2 other people that replied to you got down voted. They're right. While there certainly are some people who are just racist and don't like Obama because of his race or they think he's muslim, it's far from "most".
I would say that the majority don't like Obama because of his policies, stances, etc., not his race, him supposedly being muslim, etc.
Saying that most don't like Obama because he's black or they think he's muslim is a great way to simply dismiss anyone who disagrees with Obama's policies and stances. That way you don't have to acknowledge their complaints about his policies because "Those dissenters are just a bunch of rasists".
santaclaus73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't give a shit that he's black and that isn't why they don't like him. They don't like him because of his ideology and policies.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:16:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw bless your heart, you really do live in a closed off bubble don't you.
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Republicans would still hate him if he was white.
Y'know, because he's a Democrat.
by_whom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's solidly because of race. Full disclosure, I'm a WASP Republican. Or I would be if the leadership hadn't gone full retard since 2008
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Republican, but not Republican. Don't see how that gives you credibility, especially if your allegiance changed starting at Obama's election and continuing to the present.
by_whom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I do have some words. I phrased that last bit to bait out some of the ignorant Republicans and demonstrate that the Republican party is actually a majority of reasonable people who can critically analyze their party and the failures. However, we're viewed by everyone else as a bunch of racist hyper Christian authoritarians, and it's because of ignorant monkeys that immediately jump on the opportunity to pick any fight about any issue and DENY DENY DENY that our party has ever done anything bad, when we've done many things this mellinium that are in fact harmful to the country, race relations, gender disparity, human rights, etc.
I don't care about social issues, imo the government doesn't belong in social issues beyond ensuring people aren't hurting each other. For fucks sake, I just want the government to spend a bit less money and reasonably leave me alone, and I have to get thrown in with those fucks. It makes me sick.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can see how unaware these people are. DUHHHH Republicans are racist.
I can't see it but I presume drool is pouring out of their mouths while moaning/typing that out. It's so simple but as long as they keep it simple it makes it easy for them to form arguments.
These idiots probably don't even know he is picking a fight with Russia, right now, with no evidence whatsoever.
Or the fact he pissed away the internet to the u.n.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to prove his point that most Democrats are the same. DUHHHH they are racist!
Yup they are so stupid they think they can win by relying on just white males. That's your belief towards them. Must blow your mind when black people vote right wing.
Besides, what has the former slave party, the dems, done for black people other than create massive division? BLM formed under his watched.
by_whom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, see elsewhere. I'm a Republican, I don't care too much to answer questions for dems
ChronosFT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some are, but far fewer. The amount of rabidity among Republicans is sky high. The Republicans have AM radio (yes, still a factor) and the internet site/talk stars spewing all kinds of conspiracy theories. Can you find "liberal" sites spewing derision and mocking of certain "conservative" candidates, sure, but add up those with the rabid "conservative" sites/talk stars and you will find that the "conservatives" outrank "liberals" by a wide margin. The most rabid "liberal" personality you can find is Thom Hartmann, and he just doesn't rank up there with Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Neal Boortz, etc, etc, etc. Oh, there is Stephanie Miller, but she's just into comic mocking. Hmmm, who else? Nothing of note.
DVasky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Inb4 Iraq war being a perfect reason not to like bush
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ISIS is a perfect reason not to like Obama.
Ravelord_Nito_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't really make sense...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His miss management of post war Iraq and Syrian meddling helped make ISIS a force to be reckoned with.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Obama gave the internet to the u.n. Thats another reason to despise that loser.
So many reasons unless you watch cnn which the left does since their opinions run the same as media's. Media is so trustworthy I wish my opinions were the same.
Emails show clinton sold weapons to isis. That's continuing Obama said legacy.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, you HAVE to be an American to think thar.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really sure what you are getting at. If you are trying to shame me because of my nationality you found the wrong /u/.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Just saying that you would have to be American to think that. The rest of the world hated him on his policies and the Iraq war.
DoesntSmellLikePalm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And all the kids in this thread who think Trump's a dumb orange ape came up with their opinions on their own, right?
PM_ME_IASIP_QUOTES ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming most of them watched or listened to him speak for upwards of 2 minutes.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be awesome to have literally the same view as media. But 94% of Americans don't trust the media. Think about that. Cnn and you have the 100% same opinion so you must love it, right?
Magically, all the lefties have the magical same opinion as most media sources. Pretty outstanding stuff but I am sure you're a free thinker and came to that conclusion by yourself.
PM_ME_IASIP_QUOTES ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how the 'attack ads' are just videos of him talking unedited.
IshyMoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was in 6th grade in 1992. Parrot won our Jr High election.
jim5cents ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This post sums up American politics. The majority of individuals think and vote based on party lines because their parents did/do and their parents before them. Some individuals either rebel or reach and age where their opinions can be changed based on argument or life experience. I also suspect there is a lot of Fox News going on in those houses.
brilliantlyInsane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so so much for this. If more people knew what kind of bullshit was keeping the two big parties in office, they'd be all for a change.
WeGetBetter ยท 1637 points ยท Posted at 17:11:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My preschool aged daughter has seen both on the news a lot and we have talked about them both a little bit to her. When asked who she would vote for she said,"I want Hillary to be President but I like Trump a little bit." Why? "Because he yells and screams like I do."
Feralbritches1 ยท 322 points ยท Posted at 18:25:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adorably honest
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:53:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another ringing endorsement. "VOTE TRUMP 2016: HE SPEAKS TO AMERICA. SPECIFICALLY, THE PART OF AMERICA WHO DON'T WANNA TAKE A NAP NO NO NO NO NO NO NO YOU CAN'T MAKE ME NO NO NO I HATE YOU YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOMMY NO."
WeGetBetter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:08:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is exactly the kind of interaction we have with her that I had in mind when she said that.
[deleted] ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 19:23:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that all Trump supporters?
mjmannella ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I'm Trump Supporter but also pretty introverted.
I don't really have a social life outside of Reddit.MrGhris ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:18:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WeGetBetter jr. For President!
WeGetBetter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:11:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think she would run on the promise of "cookies at every meal and an episode of Sophia the First every night."
JakeWasAlreadyTaken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:46:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she can agree with most of his supporters
SomethingWithMittens ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:04:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just read that last part out in a really LOUD AND YELLY HEADVOICE.
fatmand00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My loud and yelly headvoice sounds like a small British girl.
I am neither British nor female.
I don't understand this.
OrangeTabbyTwinSis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine is the little sister from My Neighbor Totoro and it is awesome.
jsmoo68 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:31:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be the top response. Would multi-upvote if I could.
FallenAngelII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your daughter has a lot in common with a large part of Trump's base.
DemIce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that's the thought process behind a lot of his backers.
( Just like the thought process behind a lot of Hillary's backers can be based on in(s)ane attributes of her person. )
QuickChicko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She has the best yells and screams, believe me.
Luftwaffles93 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 19:30:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed. But this interaction was most likely made up. It's too perfect.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:42:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but lets enjoy these downvotes.
Luftwaffles93 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I could care less about downvotes or upvotes.
BizarroBizarro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:30:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You "couldn't" care less, you sick cunt.
quacktarwolverine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:30:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're a national treasure and I love you
Luftwaffles93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:43:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I could care less about grammar on Reddit. I'm not writing a thesis paper.
BizarroBizarro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sick cunts rarely speak entirely different words than they type.
Luftwaffles93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:51:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh I could care less what sick cunts do
GayAlexandrite ยท 2488 points ยท Posted at 15:13:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher or in elementary school, but my science teacher last year said that we should round up all Mexicans, not just illegal immigrants, and deport them to Mexico by boat.
A boat to Mexico, lol.
TedUpvo ยท 1704 points ยท Posted at 16:59:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Get on the boat."
"Why?"
"You're going to Mexico."
"We're already in Mexico."
"Just get on the boat."
[deleted] ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 22:11:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Free cruise.
Promanguy ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:02:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lying Ted is in prison?!
WeAreIrelephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, here's his media coomment
Darth_Squid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:28:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Olรฉ!
Salty_Sea07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was my first thought. A boat ride along the coast of CA down to Mexico? Pricey trip.
nosico ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 00:23:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Alright, now get off the boat."
"What?"
"Get off the boat."
"But I just got on."
"And thank you for doing so."
TheTurtleyTurtle ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 03:45:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Ok I'm off the boat" "Thank you for your cooperation, you have now been deported."
LittleLui ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 08:55:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Are you sure? Look at which side of the boat i got off!"
"Ah fuck it. Okay, you've been destarboarded."
imlaggingsobad ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 23:36:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this sounds like one of those Family Guy cut scenes
TedUpvo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:28:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I may have been watching too much Family Guy recently.
StrawberryR ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:13:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[boat moves ten feet]
"aaaand we're here. Now get out."
Remaining_Nameless ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:53:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could've had "the mystery box" instead!
Quinn919 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:42 on March 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I read this in a Carter Pewterschmidt voice.
TedUpvo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:10:32 on March 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally give Family Guy permission to use this.
chefranden ยท 462 points ยท Posted at 15:40:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too much work to toss them over the wall.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:21:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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MindTheGap9 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:03:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/trebuchetmemes
ictp42 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:23:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i am actually surprised that that exists.
by_whom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no no the key is to have Mexicans build the wall. Ask em to give the other side a look to make sure everything is good, then slam the doors behind them.
werdwood93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be too tall to climb
Megmca ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:50:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No money in the budget for a trebuchet.
chefranden ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not unless Mexico springs for it.
truthtruthlie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe you made me read this with my own two eyes
NoncreativeScrub ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean? It's impossible to go over the wall, that's why we're building
shoelie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wall is going to have a moat around it. They will need a boat.
su5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mexico pays for the wall. We will pay for the catapult
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But a catapult is cheaper than a boat
Treczoks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, can't you just build a wall around one of the more "conservative" states, e.g. Texas, and throw all those republicans over that wall?
ChampagneFloozy ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:29:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wut?
petit_bleu ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 15:37:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a physics teacher who'd lecture us on how the moon landing was faked. Science teachers can be just as crazy as everyone else.
katshepsut ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:33:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. We actually had a radical Christian creationist-type science teacher when I was in high school a million years ago....he ended up being suspended after writing some publicly published article about how our high school was "like a concentration camp" because it allowed or encouraged children to embrace "alternative" sexualities and invite Satan into their lives. I don't get the comparison but....wow. He also publicly outed a lesbian student who was officially still closeted, and called her parents to task for not "doing enough" about it. No one seemed to have a problem with that, though. ๐ก
Point is, "science" doesn't mean a lot, sometimes, unfortunately.
ferociousPAWS ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:38:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My biology teacher almost got fired for teaching creationism. He was also a public school teacher who home schooled his kids. Nothing made sense.
Reddit_beard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:02:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He only wants his kids to hear what he has to say. He only wants all kids to hear what he has to say. I know plenty of educators and would-be educators that home school their own kids but want to work public. Every one of them is domineering and either a creationist or climate change denier.
hatgineer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait for it. When you get to see which of your classmates grow up to be teachers, it will all make sense. In fact, you will find it simply miraculous that a sizable amount of teachers are actually sane is even possible.
ferociousPAWS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I'm already there. Just finished college so like half of the girls I went to high school just got their first teaching jobs. I think about how most of the teachers I've had were actually really great, then look at my former peers and just can't comprehend how those people could ever do a good job. Especially the ones who decided it was okay for them to move to the city and teach CPS after living in a wealthy white myopic world their whole lives.
Supercoolguy7 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:52:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, that's insane
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even understand how somebody could be of faith and understand sciences at the same time.
Nor do I understand how your teacher was even a teacher, that's some unacceptable bullshit.
5678DH45E17MM36DD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying I'm exceptionally smart or that it really means anything, but I'm a high school student and understand science much better than most of the other people in my class. There are professors and researchers all over in various fields of science that believe in some form of religion. It isn't an all or nothing thing. Not everything in faith contradicts science or vice versa, in fact much of the former is debatable and we can learn more about it from our world.
Welshgirlie2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a physics teacher who was a born again Christian, but surprisingly not in-your-face about it. We used to enjoy asking him about his trips to China to give out bibles. I had total respect for him because he understood that I found maths (and by extension, physics) incredibly difficult and he never made me feel worthless about it. Mr Briggs, you were one of the coolest teachers!
ispikey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see that as more of the saying "those who can't do, teach" He wasn't an actual scientist, dude was a teacher, who apparently sucked at his job.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:23:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That phrase is really insulting to good teachers.
theivoryserf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a citizen of the UK, things like this is why I could never live in the US. We're heading that way though...
meap421 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:48:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a physics teacher at my school who insists global warming doesn't exist
labrat420 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:10:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even just that it's not man made but that it's not happening at all?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:00:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a hoax by the Chinese, amirite?
Juan_el_Rey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they do have Szechuan cuisine.
CityLimitsPK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love my weather class professor, everytime climate change comes up he says, "people who deny that the climate changes (shakes head) ... it's like denying gravity!" Then continues with the lecture.
Juan_el_Rey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had an earth science teacher who doesn't believe it either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do teachers have to have relevant college degrees in your state? That could explain a lot.
Juan_el_Rey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they do.
Drachefly ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:26:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a science teacher who said that every graph (EVERY graph) included the point at (0,0). And a cubic meter of water weighed 100 kg.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:20:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, moron. It's 1000kg, right?
santaclaus73 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes the mass of a cubic meter of pure water is 1000kg
PM_ur_Rump ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yay! I can still maths!
Can I just call it a megagram then? Why do we call it a Tonne?
roses_and_rainbows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, a tonne is the same thing as a megagram. Technically the tonne is sort of an accepted unit in SI, without being a proper SI unit. Sort of like using litres instead of cubic metres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-SI_units_mentioned_in_the_SI
Drachefly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes. Another strike against her is that she insisted it was so after I demonstrated that it was 1000 kg on the blackboard.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should have asked her if her weight was significantly less than that of a cubic meter of water. If she said no, boom, you are free to claim she admitted to weighing almost a metric tonne.
CaptainUnusual ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I had a structural engineering professor who thought that the World Trade Center collapse must have been a secret government job.
Wiseguy_42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too! Jeez, Mr Blay was a dick.
MrsMxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a creationist geology professor who believed that the Grand Canyon was created by the Great Flood.
TheTurtleyTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My physics teacher lectured us once on how ridiculous it was that people even thought the moon landings were faked.
Fatburg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:48:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Science teacher, not geography teacher.
BigAssWhipSpider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair you CAN travel to Mexico by boat from the U.S.
ZDTreefur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of illegal immigrants get into the US by boat, through California, actually. I don't understand where the confusion here is.
HillaryShitsInDiaper ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they're idiots. Simple as that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idiots? There is a huge land border. It's why Trump wants an ineffective wall they can dig under.
Banshee90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
mexico has 2 coasts...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:54:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a large land border with the US
Banshee90 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but international waters are probably more friendly law wise. I don't know much but I doubt mexico takes too kindly of us deporting their citizens throught their country.
EsQuiteMexican ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:05:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
American, geography, what part don't you get?
Salammar77 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:44:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my cousins declared this for ALL immigrants. He blocked me after I told him what I'd to to him with our second amendment rights. (my wife is an immigrant)
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:51:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cousin is a shithead, but I'd block you too if you threatened to shoot me.
When someone says stupid shit, do not answer them with violence. Terrorists do that, not decent people. Only respond with violence, if they show their gun.
Salammar77 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:00:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I should have been clear. I meant defending my home. He literally wanted police to come to peoples home and remove them LEGAL and illegal immigrants. Actively, supporting violence to remove me and my family. (oh..apparently our situation was different.)
Micro-wave ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 19:49:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get this shit from people who I work with. Probably 30-40% of people on our staff are immigrants. Yet they still think it's fine to say how none of us should be there, but when you call them on it it's all "oh not you!!!" Like, who do you mean then? Those people you've never fucking met before who may or may not exist? Do you have any idea how much time and money my family has spent trying to stay in this country? It makes my blood boil.
ZakenPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess, these are either rich or poor white guys.
Reignbow97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they were one of those "small government" conservatives
buttegg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that hypocritical of him if he's technically an immigrant himself (unless he's Native)?
timesuck897 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A cruise with an open bar?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell in that case, I'll denounce my citizenship and deport myself!
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 15:29:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 207 points ยท Posted at 15:44:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You may also note that it is very possible to get to Mexico on land if you go through California, New Mexico, anywhere west of the Rio Grande really.
PatrickAura ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Or the fact that in TEXAS where there are the most mexicans, it is a 5 hour drive from central texas.
EDIT: Mexico is a 5 hour drive from central Texas
EDIT: California has the most
coldWasTheGnd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... California has 3.4 million more Mexicans than you guys do. You guys are second though, even if it is a distant second! I mean if you combine the next three states with the highest population of Mexicans with yours you barely beat us out.
PatrickAura ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh damn. i really shouldve fact checked that xD. i just assumed lol.
PatrickAura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something to take into consideration though, is that its a really inaccurate measure, is that the illegals are UNDOCUMENTED, so its really hard to get a measure. but then again im not sure. But its also only 1.3million more than us. still distant, but alot less.
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OnADock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shipment by sea is much more economically friendly.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Water transport is cheaper.
JelliedHam ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:35:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually train is most efficient
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, no. Think about it. A single person with a pole can push along a several hundred ton barge without too much difficulty. That same person could not do that with a train.
JelliedHam ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:52:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, no. I don't need to think about it as it's pretty much already been proven. Trains can move a ton of cargo 500 miles on a single gallon of diesel fuel. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/07/fuel-efficient-freight-trains/
That doesn't mean cargo ships are inefficient per se, but trains are hard to beat from a fuel efficiency perspective.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:19:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
US DOE says 217 BTUs per ton-mile for water versus 289 BTU per ton-mile for rail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transportation#US_Freight_transportation
Thelatestandgreatest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn their profit margins must be huge
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
US DOE says 217 BTUs per ton-mile for water versus 289 BTU per ton-mile for rail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transportation#US_Freight_transportation
GoodOlSpence ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:56:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it is possible.
But why?
Schnabeltierchen ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:26:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they're from Florida
1chapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the principle that counts!
Banshee90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
boats are larger and can carry many people. Not many people are going to jump off a boat miles from the coast to try to escape. It is a lot easier to drop off the people further south than Tijuana.
Pizza_Delivery_Dog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...you spend a lot of time thinking about these things?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He did a stint as a logistics expert for a certain European country back in the days...
Banshee90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I spent all of 2 seconds thinking of reasons why travel by boat would be superior to land.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if OP lives in, say, Utah. Does using a boat to deport Mexicans make much sense, captain?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then we'd have a bigger problem than Donald J Trump on our hands
dontdoitdoitdoit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the thousands of miles of border?
rileyk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shhh dont worry about it
Joba_Fett ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:13:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once had a science teacher accuse one of my friends of being a communist and putting "him on a one way bus ticket to Cuba." He was joking and my friend is actually Mexican I believe but still, it took way to long for half of the class bimbos to get it.
Juan_el_Rey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad can't speak English, and growing up kids at school would always tell me my dad should go back to Mexico.
My dad is Portuguese.
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's to get? The fact that Cuba is a communist country?
Joba_Fett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bus ticket. Bus. To Cuba.
SuperSocrates ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I guess it's been a long day, lol.
Shantotto11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
7.8/10 Too little science
lncognlto1597 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like an AOE battle strategy, if you have lots of resources. A wall blocking the small piece of land you need to cross into enemy territory? No matter, build a harbor right there and transport ship your units like two steps distance around the wall.
ItsDustinNotJustin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, couldn't a teacher get fired for talking like that?
allwordsaremadeup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The last big deportation of Mexicans, operation wetback, was largely by boat.
yParticle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll probably charge us to use their Gulf.
PromptedHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
American Geometry checks out.
poolerboy0077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Across the Rio Grande?
sparrow5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was he joking? Maybe?
GayAlexandrite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She had no sense of humor, much less a personality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Operation Wetback used boats. Looking at how popular Eisenhower and everyone in charge I have to assume that Americans celebrate that practice.
LeodFitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... the standards to get a job as a teacher really should be a little more stringent.
SunMoonTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Science teacher?
patentolog1st ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want them to get soaked when they wade across the Rio Grande?
SomethingWithMittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And these are the people who teach young minds.
TehArkhamKniggit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So he is that dumb, but he still has a job teaching? Dear god...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also guessing he had no understanding of the concept of biracial citizens? Like, what would he do to people who were half Mexican, half American White/Black/Asian/First Nation?
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you were in Florida, it would probably be a boat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, and Mexico all boarder the Gulf of Mexico. She's racist, but it's certainly possible. Especially if they were put on all those cruise ships to Mexico, you could send them all the way down to Cozumel.
JulioCesarSalad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Mexican American I volunteer to be take by boat from Galveston to Cancun!
McBeeff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the record, you actually could take a boat to Mexico.
skankhunt19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No Mr.Garrison, we can not get rid of all the Mexicans. You ask this every Christmas and every year we tell you no. -Rats
Nibodhika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I had a teacher said this I would most likely had asked him: and when will you be boarding the boat deporting people to Europe?
Except if he was clearly native-american, because he would be the one doing the deporting in that scenario.
McNubblestein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa whoa whoa... Your science teacher said this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way you phrased this makes me think you're a student. If your teacher said this to you please report them.
Quantum_Ibis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Science the shit out of that boat.
protozoan_addyarmor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is this guy still employed? Do you live in texas or something?
itsmywanderingmind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to assume that this teacher still works there, yes?
ckuwiy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He meant to take them to Florida by boat and then deport them by bus to Mexico.
bullseyed723 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they were legal, wouldn't they be Americans rather than Mexicans?
Seems reasonable to equate Mexicans and illegal immigrants. Now if you said Hispanics that would make more sense.
dingoransom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Next season on, Fresh off the Boat..."
yaosio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They hope the boats sink.
wolfmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Makes sense if you're in florida...
Positpostit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You actually can get to Mexico from where I live via boat pretty easily but Im Mexican and Im not getting on that boat lol
unholyalliance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is another way to get to Mexico...
JakeWasAlreadyTaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And...that was your science teacher that said that? The one that's supposed to at least have some understanding of the difference between water and land, and their respective vehicles?
benaugustine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I say we fuck 'em all to death!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know we did do something like that before. It was called Operation Wetback. (no joke)
TooLateHotPlate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a quality education you're receiving!
MofuckaOfInvention ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe his send them back to Mexico and his send them on a boat back to africa wires got crossed.
-PinkFreud- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why that teacher is not a geography teacher.
[deleted] ยท 23422 points ยท Posted at 15:13:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 13270 points ยท Posted at 15:35:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll be the founding members of the Canadian Night's Watch.
Chris22533 ยท 6925 points ยท Posted at 15:46:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say that like Canadians are not Wildings
Wackydetective ยท 2890 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the other way around.
[deleted] ยท 3115 points ยท Posted at 15:59:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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PM_Me_Your_Mom ยท 401 points ยท Posted at 17:35:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May be "wildlings" to you, with your iron thrones and castles.. But up here, the free folk bend no knee.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:44:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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PM_Me_Your_Mom ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:52:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the captains go down with the ship, eh?
Also, I'm not Canadian.. I just wanted to play the game too
BearShark42 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what happens when you play this game...
alli_darko_37 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:30:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You live, or you die.
BeardyDave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if you roll doubles THREE times in a row, you go straight to Ramsay's dungeon. Do not pass the brothel. Do not collect 200 gold dragons.
We've heard it all before.
BruteTartarus66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You lordlings are all the same, thinking this is some kind of game. This is not a game to us, boy- this is our life.
alli_darko_37 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"A girl's name is Arya Stark of Winterfell. And I'm going home."
(I am no boy...)
wanderlustlost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who are the whitewalkers in this analogy? Grizzly bears? Polar bears?! RUSSIANS?!
BeardyDave ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:23:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isis
tovarish22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:09:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Russians riding polar bears, and grizzlies using tanks?!
wanderlustlost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they're undead!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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wanderlustlost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the bees are undead too.
And their honey...oh the honey!!!
theganjaoctopus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:07:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bend both my knees for Mr. Trudeau.
60for30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So would he.
SugarBroker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This really deserves more love.
because he is definitely the hottest head of state.
howlingchief ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
join us /r/freefolk
60for30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...God save the Queen."
haloraptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except to the Queen
Wackydetective ยท 1469 points ยท Posted at 16:02:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aye, talk like that, I'll cut your knob off with me bare hands. You know nothing tovarish22.
playerIII ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:20:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thingstovarish22knows
Marshmallow_man ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:05:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cut? Like karate chop, or like with sharp nails?
Wackydetective ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:08:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aye, don't get literal on me Rambo. Us wildlings are fighting the night king over here, no time for reading scrolls and shit.
TrulyHydratedSkin ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 16:20:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Free folk*
Wackydetective ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:23:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah :)
WhipWing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to go ruin my immersion.
froyork ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Wildlings are a forgetful people.
Musty_Sheep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Free folk*
tonycomputerguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's less of them now.
Dunkcity239 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/FreeFolk
Marshmallow_man ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:14:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Nightwatch already killed like 2 of em.
PatMac95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh man is it weird that that kinda turned me on? I fucking loved ygritte and her foul-mouthed wildling ass.
wtfduud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet here you are on reddit, reading and scrolling!
Inariameme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You know how to bite a dick, Eugene. I say that with the utmost respect." For the cross-over episode!
euronforpresident ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
AcrazyVehicle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but cutting my knob off would still make my Knob twice as long as any other fellows knob. Har!
illradhab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know nothing, American ho.
Wackydetective ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually a Canadian Ho. Ho.
redlinezo6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh?
hunglow13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you? Geodude?
dolphinsrapepersons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
did you just assume their gender, man?
Satan-Himself- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck i miss her
GetJukedM8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Winter is Trumping...
tovarish22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The night is dark and full of Trumps
Chickachic-aaaaahhh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there a wildling attempting deception here?
J3DI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This series of comment made my day
Ololic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such stereotypical, elaborate southerner communication
SyanWilmont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know nothing tovarish22
blobbybag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something a synth would say...
LOHare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Free folk!
baconmosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Land of the Free
Sounds like freefolk to me
RubberDorky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I talk like a wilding! I lived with the wildings! I traveled with the wildings! ...I layed with a wilding girl..
OneAttentionPlease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Atleast we know who has a small pecker.
SeenSoFar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would think with a name like Tovarish you would be onboard with the idea of Americans being the uncivilised ones.
ะขั ะทะฝะฐะตัั ะฝะธัะตะณะพ, ะขะพะฒะฐัะธั-ะะฒะฐะดัะฐัั-ะะฒะฐ...
tovarish22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ะฏ ะฟัั, ะธ ั ะทะฝะฐั ะฒะตัะธ.
SeenSoFar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ะงัะพ ัั ะฟัะตัั? ะะปะบะพะณะพะปั? ะกะพะบ? ะะฐััะฐ? ะะพัะฐ?
tovarish22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ะกะปะฐะดะบะพะต ะปะตัะฝะตะต ะฒะธะฝะพ
SeenSoFar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ะกะปะฐะดะบะพะต ะปะตัะฝะตะต ะฒะธะฝะพ ะดะปั ัะปะฐะดะบะธะต ะปะตัะฝะธะต ะดะตัะธ?
tovarish22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
SeenSoFar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you actually speak Russian or was that just you using a translator?
tovarish22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I speak some, use a translator for words I don't know here and there.
SeenSoFar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right on. It's a fun language.
tovarish22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Difficult, but definitely fun =)
Aurora_Fatalis ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:01:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Free folk"? You might be on to something.
ramo805 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:35:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
True, I would also call them "kneelers" since they still have a figurative Queen.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ramo805 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my reply was to /u/Aurora_Fatalis making a reply to /u/Wackydetective who commented about USA being the wildlings and Canadiens being the Westorosi and /u/Aurora_Fatalis agreeing since Americans usually call themselves the "land of the free" similar to wildlings calling themselves "free folk"
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:15:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we are the ones who reject monarchy and obsess about freedom.
macnbloo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that's true, Trump is like the Boltons then
MAKEREDDlTGREATAGAlN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stark is actually the name of one of New Hampshire and Vermont's earliest heroes. We're the last defense for civilized men before the great frozen North.
Krinks1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is coming.
trojan_man_co ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know nothing Wackdetective...
chambaland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cept we got the good land ha ha ha ha hah!
TheDoors1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin free folk...
scottsuplol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Washington is pretty much Kings Landing with all the lying, cheating, Corruption.
Landrin201 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadians are wildlings, but im pretty sure at this point the wildlings would build a wall to keep westeros out.
Robot_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sorta, the people in the US are always talking about muh freedom, like the wildlings.
Coincidence? i think not.
yuikkiuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Summer is Coming
liverSpool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadians are white walkers. Knew it.
cygodx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The jedis are evil?
Joelerific ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its make sense. The game of thrones is strong, with Hilary Targaryen trying to reclaim what is rightfully hers, but the ever rich Donald Lannister wants it for himself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't seen us after an NHL playoff game.
OK6502 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True north strong and free.
I think it's pretty clear we're the free folk and they're the kneelers
Henrysugar2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Canada is to the North
Wackydetective ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:11:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No shit. But in terms of wildlings, if Donald Trump is elected a bunch of wildlings will be heading towards our wall.
monjoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We prefer the term Freefolk
Oreo_Speedwagon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:48:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the wildings are the ones who are free and not the people living under the boot of a monarch that doesn't care about their well being.
SomeTexasRedneck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Americans are FUCKING STUPID. America SUCKS lol
YUNoDie ยท 204 points ยท Posted at 16:15:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's the other way around, they're building a wall to keep the Americans out.
TheAspectofAkatosh ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:36:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That will piss off Garrison.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
FUCK them all to death!
rie9shock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Death by snu snu!
abs159 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck.
kapntoad ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assume some of us are good people.
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're gonna have to if Trump wins!
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The others aren't exactly coming from Florida..
TheDovahofSkyrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol implying there aren't just as many proportionally crazy Canadians to Americans. Gotta love stereotypes.
Forever_Awkward ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:30:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There aren't. That's a fact, not some baseless stereotype. A working healthcare system goes a looooong way to stem the tide of mental illness.
shadow1515 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 16:45:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They don't need a wall, if we entered Canada we would die instantly of long waits to get our guaranteed healthcare.
edit: I appear to have Poe'd myself.
Skinjacker ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:04:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah except that's not how it works lol.
shadow1515 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, everyone here seems to think so.
rektMyself ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You get the Healthcare right away. Getting treatment just takes a while.
doomblackdeath ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:52:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Nah, that'll never happen. Canadians revel in every chance they get to piss in Americans' faces, they wouldn't miss an opportunity to do it. People have Canadians pegged for these really nice people, but they're really not. Out of all the anglophones, Canadians are the most arrogant and shit-talking, it's just they do it really politely, or it just sounds polite due to their accent.
Not that we Americans don't deserve having people piss in our face every now and then, because, let's face it: we're a total shit show right now...but it's practically a Canadian pastime. We do it to them as well, but there's no malice behind our teasing, unlike with Canadians.
BarTroll ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that at least half of the nations in the UK could lecture canadians on arrogance and shit-talking.
doomblackdeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but how to do it PROPERLY. UK nations are massive shit-talkers, but it's because they don't take themselves seriously and will admit they're just as fucked. There's very little malice, just more of a statement of facts/opinions. Sure, it comes off as arrogant but I believe that's just due to (mainly) England's massive inferiority complex they have with the US.
yaypal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:30:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mmm, you know what, I'm Canadian and I'm not going to refute your statement on us shit-talking. I'd say that we're genuinely polite in all other aspects but boy howdy do we love making fun of Americans for a multitude of reasons. Not other countries, just Americans.
doomblackdeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's other countries too on occasion, but you're right: it's mainly Americans.
I chalk it up to the luxury of being relatively insignificant in the world, and I honestly don't mean that as any sort of slight. Canada reaps all the benefits of America without any of the drawbacks. It's hard to fuck that up.
There's always the "Canada is the greatest place on earth in which to live" line you always hear from Canadians, and while I really can't argue with it, everyone seems to overlook the fact that being the second largest nation in the world with a mere 35 million inhabitants pretty much guarantees you a high standard of living.
rie9shock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
French Canadians*
doomblackdeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, the French Canadians tend to be the worst, but not always.
And it's not just we Americans who notice.
pton12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:19:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We free folk, not bound to lords, ladies, and corporations like you southerners.
nickl220 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of gingers there. Checks out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only rural Canadians are wildlings.
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would rather be an educated wildling following Mance Rayder (Trudeau) than a retard trying to decide between Joffrey (Trump) and Stannis (Hilary).
BarTroll ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the other way around. Stannis wasn't the one killing Ned Stark, Joffrey was.
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:14:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stannis is the one with experience that isn't right for the throne. Joffrey is a child with sadistic tendancies that is only in power because of his inheritance.
Pretty much spot fucking on.
BarTroll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you are right. I just wanted to throw Sanders into that analogy.
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:43:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sanders is Renly. Maybe not the best choice available, but the best choice that was in the spotlight.
Was also killed by a shadow person and gets mentioned everyday by Briene (The internet).
BarTroll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, you're good at this!
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty much what I was born to do lmao.
Orilachon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad Stannis is an excellent leader and ruler.
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stannis is an excellent military strategist, not a leader or ruler. He has the experience to become king, but lacks the tact and human aspect of a good king. He's stone cold and calculating.
Sure as fuck he'd be a great choice, but he was no Renly.
Orilachon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Renly is exactly what you don't want. He wasn't fit to be a King. He was just like Robert, a stunning military commander, but not made to be a ruler.
Stannis was the best choice of the five Kings by leagues, simply because of his attitude toward the job. It was his duty, and his right, not an ambition.
WippitGuud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I did once fuck a bear...
AdmiralAkbar1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it black and brown and covered with hair?
shadow1515 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only the ones that live north of Toronto's northern suburbs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who does that make mexicans then? Lol
Paradigm240 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Dornish?
RussiaNeverLies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most polite wildlings I'v ever seen.
AngryColor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HAR!
KennyCiseroJunior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You make my heart sing.
jkz0-19510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Canadians are Politelings.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are the free folk!
Rathwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wildings aren't Canadians?
elwynbrooks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We prefer the term Free Folk
MrMaGay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wildlings helped build the wall, didn't they?
Chris22533 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually yes they did and some legends show evidence of giants helping to build the wall as well.
MrMaGay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, so wildlings probably also joined the nights watch at first
BadNeighbour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, there's far, far more Americans and Canadians, and Canada's health care and education is far better... Stay out of Canada, you damn savages.
fermbetterthanfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are the Free Folk!
WallOfPeanuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aye, and proud of it. We're no kneelers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, the Iron Islands have always reminded me of Newfoundland...
Kraymur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Canadians are Wildlings, then Americans are Children of the Forest. Europe would be Westeros etc.
Lurvig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wildlings live in the territories. We're sutherners to them.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nicest wildlings. The best wildlings!
abs159 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The USA is Canada's Mexico.
BadgerousBadger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Americans will be the wildlings on election day.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:24:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eh wildlings are brave and if there's one thing canadians are known for its their cowardice
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa whoa. Canada was braver than the US in both World Wars.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:39:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Godspeed, you'll need it when the White American Walkers come.
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'll repel them with our hoard of obsidian daggers.
CannedWolfMeat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Capt-eh-n Vimes.
RadicalPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this was my first thought too.
TheTurtleyTurtle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow the words "night watch" might as well mean discworld for me.
RadicalPirate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:57:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, the first time I read the words "Night Watch" in the Games of Thrones novels, all I could think of was Captain Vimes, Carrot, Angua, Fred Colon, Nobby Nobbs, Detritus, Cheery Littlebottom, among so many others at the Wall in the North...
...and for some reason, a White Walker ambling up and muttering "buggerit"
Tarquin_Underspoon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make Winterfell Great Again
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:05:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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yaypal ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:37:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They've already made a blueprint for us buddy.
monjoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not your buddy, guy
BarTroll ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He be not ya guy, mon... He be ya pal.
RaiderGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The night gathers, and my apologies begin.
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For this syrup and all the syrup that follows.
Picsonly25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Winter is coming.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Americans are coming.
FTFY
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just need those badass cloaks.
icamefromtheinternet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After watching this election cycle, I wouldn't blame Canada for establishing this. America's had some pretty crazy shit this year.
mcvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someones gotta make sure Americans don't sneak across the border.
Soginator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also known as the US Navy.
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense. The Night's Watch mostly takes the mentally handicapped, rapists, thieves, and the poor. The exact recruitment requirements for the US Navy.
BAXterBEDford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Winter is coming.
emceetate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that you will find it's called the Canadark
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the watch.
xakare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the watch, eh?
WeGetItYouBlaze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the watch buddy.
Etonet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the great wall of canada
alli_darko_37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With their elite hockey skills? Damn right.
bullseyed723 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canada closed up their border with the USA years ago. You have to have a passport to get in.
BirdBlind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRV9wn3YP5Y
Landown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump gets elected, they'll need that giant ice wall between them and the US or the wildlings are gonna get in.
mtt87 ยท 899 points ยท Posted at 15:42:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The specifications are as follows: massive barrier of mostly ice stretching across the northern border of the ฬถSฬถeฬถvฬถeฬถnฬถ ฬถKฬถiฬถnฬถgฬถdฬถoฬถmฬถsฬถ ฬถ United States of A, separating it from the wild lands beyond. The Wall is one hundred leagues long and reaches over seven hundred feet at his highest point, although some foundation blocks in hilly regions, such as near ฬถGฬถrฬถeฬถyฬถgฬถuฬถaฬถrฬถdฬถ ฬถ Sweet Grass, send it nine hundred feet in the air.
PinkMoonrise ยท 1721 points ยท Posted at 16:06:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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kieranaviera1 ยท 528 points ยท Posted at 16:55:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have helped at least 1 person today. Thank you.
jonasbeaver ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:59:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whatare you on aboutPOCKALEELEE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oneperson. Two. I always wondered how to do that.onewordnospaces ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:15:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
keepwondering
POCKALEELEE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:31:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I alwaysdo
onewordnospaces ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took two edits but you finally got it.
POCKALEELEE ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:00:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I may be slow, but I'm not quick!
onewordnospaces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha, I needed that laugh.
oD323 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ฬฬจฬอฬอชฬฬฃแทฬบฬฏแทอ อฬญฬอฬแทฬอฬอฬฬฬจอชฬฬฬอฬฐแทอฆอออฬฬฬนอฬฬฬฬจฬแทฬฬฆฬอ ฬฑฬฬแทอฬจฬ อฬฬฆฬคอฅฬจฬฝองฬฆอฬคฬฃฬอแท แทฬอฉอฅฬบแทอฬฬฬธอฬบอฬฐฬฬอญฬฬฅแทฬญฬฬปฬซแทฬณแทอฬฬฏฬอฬฏฬฃอฬฬฬถฬคฬฬอฃฬนอแทพอฬแทอแท ฬจแทฬธฬคฬอจออฃฬฬฬอฏฬฅแทอแทฬฬอฬฬฐฬตแทแท ฬแทฬแทฬอฬฝอฬฉอฬทฬซอฬฃฬชอแทอจฬอฬ ฬฬฬฬงฬถฬซฬคอออแทออ แทอฃอฬฬฌฬฬฟฬอฬฬอแทอแทฬฒออฬอจฬฬฬฬ ฬซอออฬฑฬฬออฬฬอแทฬอฆอออฎอคฬณอฉฬญฬอฬฬงอ ฬจฬอฬฆฬนฬผฬอฬขออฬฬฬฬฅอออญฬฒฬปฬอฬฃฬฑฬฐฬงฬธฬฬแทอฬฉฬฬอชฬฝอแทอฬญฬออฬฬฆแทฬฬฬฬนฬฬแทออซอฬอฏฬฑออชฬกฬกฬฬกอฬอฉแทฟอฬณแทแทแทฬชอฬฆฬฬฬฬออฬดฬคฬฬฬฬฬฬขอฬจอฅอฬคอฎแทอฬ อฬอฉอแทฬออฆฬถฬฬฬดฬฒฬฬฬฟอฬพฬฐแทฬฎฬถฬทฬฬฝฬอฬญอ ฬบอจฬฬอฬแทอแทฬฬอฎฬฬณแทอออญฬฐอฉออขอฬแทพอฏฬอฬฬฬอขอซแทอฎฬอขฬฬออฬอออฆแทฬถแทแทอฬพอฏอฬฬดอออชแทอฉฬ ฬฬบอ แทพฬออขฬตอซฬแทอ ฬซฬฬฬฒฬแท อกฬนฬซแทอญอฏฬฌอขอกอฬฬฬถอฏฬฒออฬฎฬฅอแทฬณฬอฬอฬฬฝอฬขอฏอแทฬฬดแท แทฟฬฬฏอกฬฬฬฆแทฬซแทพแทฬอ ฬบฬฉอ แทฬฑอฬฬอฅอกอจแทแทองฬปฬฬพฬกแทอฬฟออฬฌฬตฬญแท ฬนฬฟอฬฬฬฬฬฬแทฬแทฟฬฒแทออฬปฬงออฬอฬคฬนแทอฬฌฬณออแทฬ อฬอคฬธแทฬฎอฬญฬอกออฃอฬฑอฉฬฝฬ ฬอฬออชออแทออฬฬขอคฬอญฬฒแทฬฬอฬอฬอแทฟฬอฏอแทฬฬบแทแทฬฬ ฬบฬแทฬฎแทฬฬฬฏฬอฬฬองออชฬญฬอ อฬฐแทอกอฏฬดอฅฬฑฬดแทอฆออฬขฬแทฬอฅฬดอฃฬปฬฬชฬฬผอฬฒฬฒฬฬฌฬขฬแทอฬออฎแทอซฬผฬญอแทอคออแท แทแทแทฬงฬออองฬ อออขฬอญอออฬ ฬแทฬอฬฬฟออกแทอแทฬอแทพแทฬฆฬฉอฬตอแทอซแทออฃองฬฉฬคออฬฒอ อชฬแทแทออฬฌอฬฟฬณฬจออญองฬฃแทฬอฃฬกอฎอคฬฬอฬตฬถอฬฬบอฬฬฟอฬพอออฬฎออฬคองฬฬออฎฬฬฟอฬฬฌฬคฬณฬอคอฬฅฬฒฬอฎฬฬณอฬฬฬญฬฬชฬพอฬอฌแท อฬฝอฬอซฬองฬคอ ฬอฬฏออขฬอแทฬซแทอออฎอฬฬอฬแทแทพแทฟฬฬอฃฬกอฏฬฬงฬอฉฬซฬแทออคอฆฬณฬฎฬถอญฬอฏฬฬอจฬฬฬปฬพฬฬธฬฃออฌอฬฬฐอญออ แทองฬชอฬธออฬนฬถอคฬฎอฬอฬฬอฬฬญฬงฬอฬฬฬแทฬอฬฬถฬงอออฬญอฬฅอ ฬ อจฬฬธฬฑแทอชแทฬอจฬฬอออฬฬฌอซแทฟฬฬอฬฌอขฬธฬอฎฬฬฝฬตฬฆฬฬอฬฬซฬฑฬ ออออแทออแทฬอซอฬอฬฃฬฬกฬฬอฬอฬฅออชอฬแทฬอฬฏฬปฬบฬฬฬฆฬฏอฬฐอฬฌออฬอฬ ฬฑอฬถอชฬดอฬแท ฬแทอฬณอญอขฬจอฅฬฬญอฬฃฬฬขอฬธอฌฬงฬญอ อฬออฅฬฉออฃอฅฬออฬออฬฬขฬฬฟแทฬอฬกฬแทฬอฏฬฬฑอฬฬฬฬ ฬออชออฬณฬฃฬฬตแทอฬอฬออฬฬฏฬฬฝฬ อฆแทอแทแทอฬฅออฬออซอแทฬดอฬแทฬแทอจฬฬงออคฬฬณอฬฬฉฬซอ ฬออฏแทอฬพอฬนฬฅอฬณอฬฏอชฬผอชฬฬ ฬฝอองฬกแทฬณฬฬถแทฬทฬอขฬทฬฬจฬงอฬฬฏฬญฬอฉฬฬกฬจฬฐแทฬฬกออฬกฬฬฝฬถฬฬฏฬฬอออฬ ฬฬทฬแทอแทออฬฒฬพอฬฬอแทฟฬซอฬปฬฝฬ ฬฬณฬแทอฌอฃอฃแทฬถออแทแทฬฬ ออออฌฬฐอฬออจฬงอฬอฎอชฬแทฬอออฉฬฬทฬบแทแทอชอฬฅอฌแทฬบฬฃอฬฬ ฬฏแทอฎแทออฬฬญอฬฬฏอฌฬงฬตฬบฬฉฬอฬจอญอแทฟอ ฬฬขแท อฬอฬฬฬทอแทแทอฬฬฃแทฬพฬอแทอญฬแทแทฬฐแทอชฬอฎแทฬอออญฬชฬฬอแทอฬงออฬแทฬปอฉออ องฬออฬออฬฉฬอ อฬพอแทอฬฆฬ อฬฉอฬออฬแทฬอฬซฬอฬทฬอออจอคฬฬฬอฬฟแทแท ฬญอฏฬฑอฌฬฬอฃอฬแทพฬฬ อ อฬฬฬกฬคฬอฌฬแทฬแทฬฬอฬธฬชฬฬฉอฬธฬงฬฬฬฬ อฬฬฐฬถแทฬจฬฉฬแทแทอ ฬอฬทอแทฬฬถฬแทอชฬฏฬฎฬฑฬถฬณฬอฏฬตaฬปอฬฬขฬฬธฬฬฬออคฬฃอฬฬฎอฬฉฬฉอ อแทออฉอแทพฬฬคอออออแทพฬฃออฬฆฬอคอออฎฬกอออ อฬอซอฬฃแทแทอออองฬฐออฬฬ ฬอฬฬชอ ฬฬฬขอฬฏอฉอแทฬอฬฬฉออฬฬออฬฝอฬฟฬฬอฬพอฬฬชอฬฬฬฌฬฏอแทฬผออฌออจฬงอฬออออฬอ อฬอแทออแทแทฬฒอแทฬงอองอฬอฬกฬฬคอฏแทฬอฬดฬฑออแทอจฬอฬฬนอแท อออจอองฬขออจฬอฬฬออฎอฬ ฬฟฬถอฏออญอฎฬนอฬจฬฬฬอฬฝฬฎอกแทพแทฟฬญฬแทออกฬทฬจอฉอฬออออออฬคฬจอซฬฑออแท ฬแทฬฅอฌฬจฬงฬฬออฬฃฬฬธฬงฬฬกแทพฬฟฬตฬผอฬฌอญออฌอฬอฬอฎฬฬพอ ฬฬฬอออ ฬคฬ อซอฬออแทอฬแทฬบแทอชออคฬฬฬอฬนอฎอคฬฬออฬคอฬฐฬฬแทฬอฬดฬฬญอแทฬอฬฬอฬถฬดแทฬถออแทอฌฬกฬฬอฌฬฐอแทฬนออฬฬผฬฏฬฬฬทแทแทฬฬอ ฬฆอฎอฎอฬขฬฒอฬจฬฆฬฑแทฟฬขแทฬอ อคฬดฬณออญฬฬออฬฬอชแทฬชอฬฝออฬฬฬฝฬฒฬฬฬผอฃฬอฬดฬทอฬถออฬบฬฎอแทฬฬอ อฬฬฬผออฏออฬนฬตอฅฬอ ฬฬฉฬฬฬฐอฉอฬถอฬฐอฬ ฬณฬณฬฬณฬฬญอฬฬฬฬดอฅออฬอฬคฬพฬฬฑฬฌฬออออฬฬออกอฃอฬแทแท ฬอกฬฎอฬฐฬอชฬฬอฉออออฬฬฬองฬฏฬผฬณแทพอฬพฬ ฬงแทฟออชฬพอแทอฬฬตฬฎฬอฬซฬฃอออฬฝอฎฬฬออ ฬอขอซออซฬงอคแทแทพฬญฬอขแทฬฬอจอชออซฬอจฬอฬซฬฅฬออแทฬปฬกฬฬณฬดออฃฬฌอฉฬคฬฬพแทฬฃแทอฬอกฬณแทฬฬธอฬฏอญแท ฬฏอซอฬทฬแทฬออ อฬฎอฌฬฬฎแทฟฬฬปฬฬอ ฬซฬอฌออ ฬฬฬฏฬฬฬอฎแทแทฬจอฬฬอฅอฬฬฑองอซอฃแทอออแทออคออฬอฬตอซอฆอกฬฬชฬฬอฬฃอฎฬแทแทออฬฉแทอฬธอออฌแทฬผฬฃองฬฉฬกฬฬฃอฬอ แทฬแทฬฝฬฟฬฆฬณฬทอ ฬฬฏฬฒอแทอชฬแทฬดฬแทแทฬฬฬจแทพอแทฬฑฬฟอกฬฑอฬฅฬฟอฆฬคฬซอคแทฬ ฬออฏแทฬคฬฬฝอฬฌอฉแทอออฃฬอฉอฎฬอฬฒฬกอฬฬฬฆฬทแทฬพฬฬฬฑฬอฅอฉแทอ ฬอองแทพอฬฬคอ ฬฐฬฬขอฅฬกฬฑอฬฬคอซฬอฬทฬนฬงออฅอฬ ฬฃออฬจฬซฬแทอฬฬฆฬฬฬนฬฬอฆแท อฅฬฑแทฬอแทฬออออญฬอฬขออชแทอขฬขฬฬฬอฬบแทอฬอฬฒฬฬฬอฬฐออฬอออฆฬฬผฬฎฬฬงอฬแทอคอฉฬฬถฬฉอฬฎฬอฬแท ออฎฬฐฬฝฬฬฬฬตฬฬฉออออฬฑแทฬฬฬฬฬฬอแทฟอฬฒอฏฬฃอฬฌออฬฬกอฬฆฬฬถฬฆฬฟฬอฬอญฬฬฬฆอฌอฬบฬฬถฬฬออออออ ออฬซอฉอฏฬงแทฬฬคอฆฬฆฬธอคฬฬอฬ ฬ ฬอฏแทฬฬนฬแทฟอซฬณฬทออฬณออฬคฬฬขฬฬฬฬฬคฬฎแทฬออคฬบฬฬคออฆองฬแท ฬออฅฬชฬฒอฏฬอฬอ อแทอฬฐฬฒฬผฬฬฐอฎฬแทฬแทพฬทฬฬดอองอฬอชอแทฬผอ ฬฬอชฬผอฉฬออฬฬฐอฬฬออฬ ฬฅอฬพออฬฬฒอฬชอฉอฬอฬขฬฬฬออฎฬจฬดอฬฒฬอฬฆฬฬแทฟฬผอแท แทฬฏฬฬอแทพฬฬฑฬอฅฬฬอ อฬถฬฬแทฟฬฬฬอฬฐฬอองอคฬ ฬฬปอฬฬฒฬฏฬฆฬฬพอ แทอฬอฉฬอคแทฬฬฬฅฬฉแทอกฬคฬอฎฬอคอฬกฬฝอแทฬกอฌอออฬปองฬซอฎออฬฬแทฬณฬฬฆอ อฬฬ อคอกอฉฬณฬแทอชฬธอฬอฬ อชออกออแทอออซอฬ ฬกแทพแทฬอฬอชฬฬอฬฬฬฏฬญฬถฬฬองฬฐอฬแทอฬอฉฬฬฐฬซฬ ฬทออฉฬญฬจฬอฃแทฬงฬฬงฬ ฬออฬฬธฬฐฬฬฝฬณฬฬจออฏฬฬอออแทอฬทฬฎฬฬดฬฟฬบอฬญฬฃฬฬอฉฬออฬฬงออฬอฬฬอฌฬทอฃอฬฬฐฬ อชฬฑอออฬฬชฬคอแทฬฬอซอฬอฬคฬอฬฆอฬฬอแทพฬธอแทฬอขฬแทแทฬฬฬอฅฬฬฬบอคฬฬซฬปฬฬบอฬบฬอฬฬขอฃฬตฬทฬฟอออฬแทฬฉฬฬฬอฬฬอฬฬฬฬแทอแทฟอ ฬฎอกองอฬบฬผแทฬฬฌฬนฬชอฬฬซออฬณฬฐฬฝอฬฬฒฬฏอฬอฬอฬผอออฬฌอฬฬ ฬซแทฬดอกฬดแทฬอคฬอฬฬฬผออฬฑฬณออแท อฏฬอฬฬอฬ อฬปแทฬฒแท แทแทพฬอชแทอฬออฃออฉฬงฬอฬฏฬฏฬฃฬขอฬฬฬนฬอฬ อฬทฬญอซออฬฬฬฬฬออชอฬฃอฌฬออ อฆอฬธฬฝฬอฉอฬอแทแทอฬกอฆฬฅฬธอแทพอฬบฬอองอ ฬซอฬฑแทออฅฬธฬอขฬฉฬณแทแทอฬฬฌฬทฬงฬฐฬอฬฬธฬฬฅออจฬฆฬแทฬฬอฃอฬแทพฬอฬฬฬฬจอฬญอฏอออฎออ อฬณแทฬฐออฬฬออฬฅฬอฬผแทฬฬผฬจออฌแทพฬอฬฎอกออญฬฬฝฬฬพอฬฬอแทอคฬธแทพอญอฏฬอฬจแทฬ อคออฌแทฟฬฬอฬฬอฬฒฬบฬฬฅฬกแทอฬทอฬปฬฬปฬฅฬกฬฑอฌฬฉแท ฬตอออกอฏอขฬ ออฬแทฟอญฬนฬฬฬตฬผอฬฬ ฬฉฬชแทฬฬดแทฬฬฝฬแทอแทพฬอฏฬฟฬผฬอฅฬฬฬฏอกฬดอฬแทฬขอญแทอฆอฬฉฬทแทอฅฬแทฬฬฬฬฬฅฬฟฬญฬฃฬฬธฬอญฬชอฉแทอฬซฬฬ ฬฒฬฑฬฆฬฌอฬปอฬฬขฬธอฬฬฬซอฬแทอฬอฌฬฌอแทออฬฝฬอกฬผอฬพอฬฅฬอคอฬนแทฟแทฬฬฏฬดฬอแทฬอฌฬฐฬนแทออแทฟอฅฬแทฟอญอแทแทฬอฬทแท อ อแทฬฬณอฬฬ ออฬออฅฬฎอฬตฬฝฬฬฬอฬฎฬฬฬบออชฬฬอ ออกฬอฅอฏฬแทฬถแทฬฝฬผอฬงอชอญอขอฬฬฬฬณฬอฬฎฬอฬฬฟฬณฬขอกฬฅอฬฬแท ฬฬณอฬนฬอฬแท ฬอฬฬฬงฬงแทฟฬฬณอจแทแทฬกอฬแทฬกฬฬอแทฬอฏอชฬขแทฬกออชฬฅฬฎแทแทฬฎอ แทฬฑฬบฬฝฬนฬแทฬอฬทแทอฆฬ ฬธอองอฬ อฉออฬฉอฬชอฆอฎฬฐอฬผฬอฉฬแทฟฬณฬฎฬฬพฬญแทฟฬฟอฬแทอฬฬฬออฬฝอจอฬ อขฬออฉฬออฬผออออฉฬฑฬฒฬซฬฬฝแทฬฝแทฬคฬญแทฬฬกอ ฬดฬพฬฆอฬแทฬฉฬแทฟฬตอออฬถอฅแทแทออฬงอจฬฬณอจฬอฬฃฬฒอฬออฆฬฬ อฏออซฬฬ ฬฝฬอฬผฬณอแท ออออ ฬฝแทฟฬถฬถฬทอฎอกอฬออฬอฬฬฎฬอฅฬฏฬดฬขแทฬอแทฬฏฬออฅฬฒฬนออ แทพฬฬผฬฌออซฬอ ฬขฬทฬอฬฝฬพอฬอฬนฬขแทอฬ ออฬแทพอชฬฐฬฬฬฐฬถฬธฬฬฒออฉฬออฬแทอฬฝฬฬ ฬฐแทฬออฎอฌอฌฬ ฬขฬจอแทพอฬอแทพแทอฃฬแทฬฆฬอ อ ฬฐฬบฬฬชอ แทอฬฬฬชออฬฬฬผฬฬแทอฎแทฬอคฬผฬฬอกtฬอแทอฬฬปอฃฬฬอฬแทแทฬแทอขออฬฬทอฬอแทอจฬฬตฬซอแทฬ แทแท แทฬ ฬฬผฬฬฬขฬฬฬณอฌฬอญแทอกฬฅฬฬงฬคแทฬฃฬฬฬอจอฬงอแทฬแท ฬปฬอแทอฬฌฬทอขฬฬฝอคฬฬฬอออฬอฬกฬฬฃออแทอฬอชออ ฬพอกอฅอฬกออแทอแทฬฬฬแทอชฬ อฬฌฬฬทฬฎอฌอ ออฬฬฬฎฬชอฅฬอฃอฆออฬฝฬฬอจออแทแทฬธอ ฬบฬออคอแทอขอคองฬชอฬกฬฬถฬฬฬฬฬฬฐฬฆฬดฬขฬนฬฑฬฬแทฬ อซแทฟอฬฬบฬแทพฬฬฬอกอแทฬอ ฬอแทฬฬงฬฃอฬฬฎฬฬฬฬฬฬนฬกฬอแทแทฬอฬพแทออ ฬฬอฬฬณออ ฬตฬณฬฑฬถฬฬฬกฬอ ฬอฬบฬ แทฬแทอฬคอฬแทฬคฬถอออฬคอฉฬฬอขฬฌฬฌแทฟฬนฬอฬถอฆฬฬอฌฬจฬอฬฬฝแทฬจอฬชอคฬแทฬฆอฅฬญอชออฃฬ ฬธอแทฬฬออฎฬฬฬนอฬพแทอฬออ แทอฅอฬฬแทอจอฬธฬฉออฎฬฬฃฬอฬณฬอขฬทฬฬอฬฎฬแทฬฏอออฬขออฃอแทพอ ฬคฬคแทฬฃอกฬ อซฬแท ฬญฬอฬอจฬคแทพฬฬฆอ ฬ ฬญอฬธฬชฬฒฬนแทฬทฬ ฬฅอออกฬอฬฬนอฏอชออฆแทอจฬฬฒฬฬฟฬดฬบฬธออ อออฬฬซอคออ อฬอฌฬออฌแทฬฬฉฬซฬงฬฬญออขแทฬดอขฬตฬฅแทพแทฬขแทฬอฬขแทอฬพอซอคฬฏฬจอฬณอฎฬแทฬอ ฬจอฬฬฬออฬฒฬฬอฬอกฬบฬอฬฬแทอออจฬปแทฬแทอฬอฆแท ออฬนอญแทพฬอจอฬบฬทฬฒแทฬฬฬฬพอฬฬคอฌอจออฬฬฌฬฬฟอแทฬคองฬฬชฬแทฬอฉฬชอออขฬณฬตอฎฬฬฬขฬฎแทอฬฅแทอแท ฬอฬพอฌฬอแทฬบอฬฬอฉออฎอฬธฬ ฬผฬงแทอ แทฬอแท ฬอแทฬญแทฬฅออฬอฬฬอฬพฬธฬฬแทอฬอ อแทแทอฬฬฬฬญอออฌแทฬทฬอ ฬถออชแท ฬฬฬฬผฬฬฆฬงฬซอฬฬฬตฬฬฉฬฬ แทฬฬฬฬอฬฬณออฏฬอฬบฬผแทออแทฬฐฬชฬฆอฬฟแทฬฬอฬ ฬฬอฬฑแทอ ฬฬอฬจฬฉอฬแทพอฬออฬฬฅออฬอฏฬฟฬฎอฬฬฬฬญฬฬบฬธฬกแทฬอฬฬอแทพฬฬปอฬอขฬฉฬแทพอคฬฬฬอกฬอแท ฬกอซอฎแท ฬแทฬฬชฬแทฟออฬพอ อฬแทฬนแทฬฬนฬธแทฬผฬฑออชฬจอฃอฎฬฬธฬซฬอแทพฬฬฃฬ ฬซองฬฅฬคฬฆฬขอฬถแทอฌอฬอฬอฆอซแทฬแท ฬงอฬปอฬจแทฬถฬตอฬแทฬดอออคอกออแทอฬทฬอฬปฬถอฌอออฎอจแทอฅฬฬณอฌแทพฬงอฅแทฬปอฌฬทอฬธฬญอฬชฬฟฬอฆอฬตอฆฬฬฬงออฬฬขแทพฬฬฉฬฬงแทองฬฒฬอฬฬฝฬออออฌฬอจแทอฬฬอฬดแทพฬฐฬฎฬฒฬฐอฬฎอฬฉฬฎฬตแทฬฑอฬกแทฬฝอฃอฬอกฬออ อชอฆฬอฬอชฬซแทฬฬฬจอคฬกอกแทฟฬแทฟฬญแทฬฝฬอออฬขอคฬฬฎอแทฬฝอ แทอฬฌฬ ฬกออขฬอแทออฬฬฬอแทฬอขอออฬอญฬฬฬฬผอฬ อฬฌอแทฬฒฬแทพฬอแทออฬฐฬฒอฬ ฬ ออขแท ฬฬออแทพฬดฬฬออฆอ ฬอฬบออแทฬฬฅฬอฬอชฬอ ฬฬฬฬแทแทฟอฃฬฬแทอฅฬกฬแทอฬฅฬปอฎฬออขฬฆฬอฉฬฟแทฬฬผแท ฬฬตอฬงฬฬฬดฬชแทฬอฬธอฏอองฬฏอ อฬฬณอฬฐฬบฬออฬ ฬฬอฬออฎฬฝแทอ อฬฃฬจอฬฬฬออแทพฬคอฬฒอฬบฬอกแท ฬถอฬญฬอฬอฬฐฬอฬแทฬออฬฬงอจฬฬ อกฬ แทอฬปแท อฬกแทอฬฬฬงออฬอฬฬพออฬอ ฬแทอฬฎฬฅแทอองอขฬฑอฏฬฬฐฬฬฬแทฬฬฬณฬอ อแทฬอฬฬฬผอออแทฬฬฌอออฬฝออฃฬฬขฬดอซฬฬฆอแทฟอ ฬฬถฬตอฬฬฐแทอชออฬฬอออฬฬฬผออฬงฬฬฐแทอฬฬฬปแทฟฬฟอฬฅฬอขอฅฬงฬฒฬฐออฬฬทฬฏองแทแทอฎอฬอฅแทฬฬฬองอฬฬงฬฅอฬฌองอกฬองฬคฬแทฬฎฬถฬ อชฬปฬอฬฬญฬงฬฬฅฬทอฃฬแทอฬฃอชออฬฬฬคฬอฅแทแทฟฬอฬฬฬฅฬอฉแทแทฬฉฬแทพฬตแทฬฎอ อ ฬนอฆฬฆอฬชฬจอฃอซอฎออคออคอฆออฌออญฬฬฆฬฌฬฬแทออฬฟอฬอซอแทฬฐแทอฃฬฬฬฃฬอฎฬฐแทฬฬนฬฬญอ แทฬฑออคฬฬฌแทฬฬฬคฬฬณแทอกฬอกออฬอฬธฬบออฬอชอ ฬองอฬอซแทอออกออฬฝฬฆแทฬจอญอฬอชอฬฬแทฬขฬซฬอ อกแทอฬซฬฒฬฬฎฬฎออฬฑอกฬชอกฬอฬชออแท ฬฐฬจออฅอคองฬอฬองอฏอออชฬแทฬซอฬฬอออฃอ อแทฟฬขอฬฎฬขฬฬฬอฬฬฬออจฬปอฏฬทแทอฬฬชฬอฃแทอฌแทแทฬพฬฟฬออฬฃแทฬอคฬฏอฬฬอ ออฆอขฬฬอฬอฌฬฬฬณฬฉฬนอฅฬอญฬพออคฬบฬฬธฬฬทแทฬตอ ฬองฬฬฬอฬจออ ฬอฉฬชแทฟฬอฬฆอฬฎฬฌอออฬฬฐอฬปฬอคฬฬฬอออกอฬชฬฌฬฬอฬฑอแทฬฝแทอฬฬฎฬฬอฬฅฬอชฬฬถฬอฬซฬนอฎฬแทฬ ออฬบอแทพฬอฬขอฌฬฬงอฬฅฬฬคฬธอฬอออฬญฬฬอฬฅฬจฬทฬฑแทฬอแทฬออออฬฅฬ ออฬคอฬฉฬอแทอฬแทฬจออฅอฅฬดอฃฬออจฬฆอฬอฬฎอออฬฬญอฬแทอฎฬขแทฬอซฬจฬอขอฬฃอฬฬนอกฬอฬฬฆฬฬนแทอแทอแทฬฐฬทออฬฎอฬออออแทฬฎฬฬแทฬฉฬฝฬฏอคฬฬฬออฆฬจฬออชฬจอฬตฬคฬฬอแทฬถแทฬชฬญอฎออออขฬฬแทอแทฬ ฬฬฃฬฆฬฬฬออฬฃฬขแทฟแทพอขฬฬชฬแทพอออฬฬฆฬอฬพฬฟฬแทฬดอฏองอฬอฬอออชฬอฬอชฬฬออฎแทองฬญฬอญอฎฬคอแทฬถฬออฉฬแทฬฃฬถอซฬอแทอฬคอชแทฬอฬออญฬอจอกฬฆฬฬฌอฬแทฬอชฬฎฬธอจฬงอฬฬดอฬฬฉฬอแทพฬฬฬฐอออฅฬอญอฅฬออฬนฬฬงแทแทแทอฬชฬออออฬนอฆฬฬฬฬญฬขอฬอองอฌฬบองอฬอฬญฬฬอฏฬณแทฬฬฬชฬแทออคอฬถฬผฬฬฌฬฅฬคอองฬฬฬฃอออฬบแทฬฟอฬฟองอฃอซฬฝอฬทแทฬฎแทฬณอออฅฬชอฃฬแทออฅอชฬฝอฬอฬอฬฝอฬฬอฏฬ ฬธอฬฬฆฬบฬแทออออฎฬตอแทอ ออฬฬอฉฬฬชอออคฬฬฝฬฬฬฬฬอฬฬอฉฬ อซฬคอ อฬฬฬฬฬฅอกฬออ ฬทอ ฬฒฬอชอฬธอออฬแทฟแทฬบฬฑฬฏออฅฬฐฬดอฬอฬแทอฎอฬฬดฬอ ฬนอฬอแทออฬฬฬฅฬฬฏฬอคอฬตอ อฏฬบฬธอฬทฬฬฎอจอฬฬฒฬผฬบอฬอฬฆฬ อฌฬอฬฬฬฉออฬคฬออฬฬแท ฬตอชออชฬณฬฬฬฬฉฬอซฬฬอแทฬฬฬฬดอฎอฃฬอฬอฬฬฬฉแทฬฎฬอฬ อฃอฬฐ
POCKALEELEE ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I'll need a lesson on that one!!
GeoNecro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How in the world did you do that?
TELL US NOW[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Helped me
acme_insanity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this doesn't workhuh, nevermind I am AMAZED[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
vegetaman3113 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am that ~person~ guy...... it didn't work.
Tsunoba ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two on each side.
vegetaman3113 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
coolthank youfoofis444 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy shitthanksdleefaulk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
definitely helped me
bassboyjoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
youhelped mejesterbuzzo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
InerasableStain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have helped at least
1 person2 people today. Thank you.Triskelian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More than one. Much appreciated :)
akunis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's doing the Lord's work.
The__Blue__Ranger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
doesit work on mobile?Yes.. yes it does.
blackmesaind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I always just clicked "formatting help" but that's just me
Six_Gill_Grog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make that two.
shoelie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who?
Meatchris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
onetwodallonv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, thanks.
rsf507 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i will test this theorythis theory I will test test this theory I will Theory I will test, thisnotHooptieJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the ones too lazy to click "formatting help" at the bottom of the post window...
CentrifugalChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make that twoBaronTatersworth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DeuxTwo.lowonbits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teach a person to install RES and you will help them for the rest of their reddit career.
FanSciFi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:23 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you click to reply, click "formatting help".
Not_a_Flying_Toy ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:12:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fuck youThanks!henny_n_digiornos ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lemme
try that[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~wat~
Edit:
watPinkMoonrise ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two on each side.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its a prank broYou've taught me to fish. Thank you!
Oddopoddo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:02:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~test~
PinkMoonrise ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two on each side.
LeVampirate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testI dun it.
Oddopoddo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:43 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testGotcha. Thanks.
the_mouse_of_the_sea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it worksNow how do I italicize and bold?PinkMoonrise ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:21:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
like this (one asterisk on each side)
and this (two asterisks on each side)
Justsomedudeonthenet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do i do all 3 at once?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:30:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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29Ah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ยฅTropink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SquiglyFreedomIII ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi?It was ~~***Hi?***~~.
Burritoterrier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
weird
fuxkmtt87 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I didn't know
that.throwaway4advice901 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:49:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testingon mobileHackerdude1010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's see how this
worksATM_2853 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
interestingletsmaakemusic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this work on
facebook?snopro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
today i learned!MISREADS_YOUR_POSTS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well where's the example?
urbansasquatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
reallyStainlessUK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the Pro tip is always in the commentsHa
x_defendp0ppunk_x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU SO MUCH I HAVE BEEN WONDERING FOR SO LONG I WOLD GIVE YOU GOLD IF I WASN'T
BROKEAS HECKTruculentCabbageFart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testing:
tested[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I been
watching hentai since this morningmeaning to learn this![deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sample testing 123Alongfortheride72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like this? Or this?
How about now?tyrefire2001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testtest testNickCageIsAWoman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to steal your thunder, but I have this website on my bookmark bar for just this re
ason.livefastdiefun7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TestingTesting TestingEdit: Cool
jumboyeye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testingJonhaerysSnow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I've always wondered but was too afraid to ask...
GimpyTreat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy crap it works
spaceaustralia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or:
Ctrl+S =
Simple Strikeout Squiggles;Ctrl+B = Brisk Boldness;
And Ctrl+I = Instant Italic.
semperlol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~~ test pots please ignore ~~
whatdhell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
like this?Aries1502 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes
thankyouPun_In_Ten_Did ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can also italicize with an underscore before and after the text.
Naturage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
also, /# is for
titles
and ------
gives a line.
taoistchainsaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe youok checks outMrBisquits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's neat.
thanksRebelliousness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did it!
SlowJoe89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You fucking rock, man!
KingOfWickerPeople ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do
n'ttELl Me, whaTto do[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just
replyingso I can easily find this some other timePryce84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NopeEsteGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ExampleExample ExampleEdit: Cool!
Ba_ben10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoahcrushedcreditcard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
strikeoutitalics boldEdit: Finally, the power is mine!
chrisguachi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your example isn't very helpful it's crossed out. Come on man!
cinnmarken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3!
Nasty_n8_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you post underscores between text?
SpiderHandsMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it work on
phonesmobile devices?Edit: neat!
domagicjuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
graciasthanks alotpleasehelpssll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~Just.testing ~
pleasehelpssll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~john~
thatswhatshesaidxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Three asterisk on each side is bold italics
MadMaxZZZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WOWmermands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm new to Reddit and I've been waiting for a comment like this. You're the best! It's been a steep learning curve for me.
TedFlowsby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testDuck------- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanksjonnohb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank youNo, thank you.UberBlade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~ร~
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testtestretrac101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is
goodGREAT to know!biggw0rm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
TILrotten_core ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The real LPT is always in the comments
OpenSign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a formatting guide on the desktop site.
Crittathelion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're the best!!
Crumps_brother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What?
Honkylips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From somebody who mainly Reddits on mobile, thank you
Agu001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or simply use Reddit Enhancement Suite.
WildKitsune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ThankThank Thank Mr(s) /u/PinkMoonriselewko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those "squiggles" are called typeworms.
MrLips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if you want it bold, italicised & struck out?
fulminousstallion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testboobsScratchinWarlok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, is there any way to put a blank line between paragraphs? My one continuing disappointment with Reddit. I know I can have a . at the start of a line to do so (with four spaces after it to "trick" the markdown), but then folks wonder why there is a . there. I suspect part of the idea is to keep folks from going on and on (like this?), but still it would be nice to have a little white space.
pondwisp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have helped me from not needing to eventually get around to googling this and I thank you.
BooyagasWife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you do this on
mobile?codychro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank
YouYouItsMeSatan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
strikeoutThat was fun :D
BadB0ii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~wait~ lemme see
PhilMatey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thnk youDAMN IT
Thank You
unknownop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TILBig_Bronco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!beamsViking18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Testpost pleaseignoretribdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
testtest
test
๐
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:06:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So would Detroit be Winterfell?
mtt87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Detroit is on the border with Canada, I would say Detroit is probably Nightfort.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Mexico built it.
montanagunnut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hunt near sweetgrass. Tasty Canadian mule deer.
theawesomemoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RubberDorky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just realized trump wants the wall in the wrong place. The true war is up north
mtt87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Winter is coming!
canxopener ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just assume the walls gender? You privileged scum.
mtt87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
George R R Martin did it.
AAzumi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Chuckwagoncook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And its 1,200 degrees below zero. Very cold wall.
AtomicSamuraiCyborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100 leagues is only 345.234 miles. That would not be a very effective wall. The border is 1,538 miles long.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my least favorite part of movies was stereotypical child immigrant saying U S of A. Get to the back of the line, you aren't ready.
mtt87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even care, I do not live in the US of A.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
upvote for flagrant intentional annoyance
PlacidPlatypus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:00:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One hundred leagues according to Google is just under 350 miles, so if you build it along the northern border of Washington state starting at the west coast it would make it about two thirds of the way to Idaho.
[deleted] ยท 856 points ยท Posted at 15:49:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're gonna build a wall and keep the Quebecers out!
dinosorority ยท 580 points ยท Posted at 16:34:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They've probably already built one of their own.
[deleted] ยท 532 points ยท Posted at 17:18:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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not_a_toaster ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Montreal, this hit way too close to home.
Pabrunthhu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same, may we suffer bumpy roads and closed highway exits in silence
TwoPlankinWiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was the hit from concrete falling from a bridge?
not_a_toaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was my head hitting the ground as the front tire of my bike got stuck in a 2 ft deep pothole and I flipped over the handlebars.
Calvert4096 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm visiting Montreal. Should I be worried?
confused_assboy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:41:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all! It's a very safe city, corrupt as all hell but it doesn't show all that much if you're just visiting
leyebrow ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:58:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically one step less corrupt than Gotham
not_a_toaster ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The roads are pretty shitty and there's constant construction but if you don't live here that's all you'll notice. The metro is the easiest way to get around the city if your destination isn't within walking distance, and it works pretty well. Montreal isn't a dangerous city by any means.
Calvert4096 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the metro here is pretty awesome. Seattle is sorely lacking in comparison.
HoNose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you walk or take the metro. We got brand-new trains.
WallOfPeanuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Felt like I was in the future riding one the other day, and not 1966.
kazog ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:28:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didnt expect to read THAT on reddit... have an upvote from some guy in saint-joseph-du-lac.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:58:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How else are the Angels going to get weed and heroin back and forth?
goldy_lock ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:34:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And we'll have to make a 1 year inquiry to get to the bottom of that
JesusGAwasOnCD ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:36:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's typical and an everyday occurence in Quebec for everything that is infrastructure related
grosmorisse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wish I could upvote this twice, but I'm too busy weeping because all my provincial income taxes for last year are probably in some shady construction guy's pockets somewhere around Quartier 10-30
Zebidee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they are very dangerous and may attack at any time.
Pabrunthhu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so we must deal with it
manidel97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon man.
Just_Look_Around_You ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking SNC scum.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL so true
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:04:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just going to say that the worst thing you could do to a Quebecois is trap them in Ontario.
zymuralchemist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it'll be super shoddy, and 13 million dollars over budget.
El-Kurto ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:17:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"No thanks, we've already got one!
<Whispers> I told them we've already got one."
Aikistan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:03:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did. It's called "French."
rslake ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 17:27:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They don't even have the decency to call it French, it's "Quebecois." They built a wall around the name of the language.
Edit: Holy shit the citizens of Montreal have arrived and they brought their downvotes. Guys, hold your fire! I'm not even Canadian! I'm just being snarky at you because Americans are required to pick on anyone who speaks French (seriously, it's in the Constitution). Can't we just go to Hortons together, share some timbits, and talk this over?
LDWoodworth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No.
SlushPower ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im pretty sure the only people who call it quebecois are from France.
rslake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? That's interesting, I hadn't realized.
QazseWsxdr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not big enough. It's more of a castle.
thisonetimeonreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Made out of snark
TheGreatJaboba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually they have. Or at least Quebec City did. It is the oldest walled city north of Mexico.
Mordarroc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not thick enough they're still sending their politicians and soaking up money
Slinkyfest2005 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And have the federal government pay for it!
is_procrastinating ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the rest of Canada paid for it
yeaheyeah ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:20:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then we are going to fuck them to death
gobthegilder ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:54:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quรฉbรฉcois, motherfucka!
Alphabozo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:15:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vous รชtes les bienvenus quand vous voulez!
Fatburg ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:34:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two men, one from Ontario and one from Quebec, were in a cave when they came across a magic lamp. While they were fighting over whom the lamp belonged to, a genie popped out.
The genie said, "I shall grant each of you one wish and only one, so make it good."
The Quebecois spoke first, "I want you to build a one hundred-foot high wall around the border of Quebec. This will ensure that the English culture does not corrode our superior heritage."
The genie nodded, "done," he then turned to the Ontarian. "And your wish?"
"Fill it with water."
confused_assboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:43:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing the Quรฉbecois we'd convert the wall into a hydro dam. It's a win-win.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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PhallicPhaggot ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:47:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a river between Mexico and the US that people cross every day.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:13:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it doesnt even freeze.
inmyotherpants79 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And let them keep all the good poutine?!
Sysiphuslove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quebecois. It's so fun to say
(e: ke-be-kwa)
Nipple_Copter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no way Quebec's gonna pay for it.
jim5cents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh...for the past 3 weeks, the bane of my existance...driving around on their shitty BMW motorcycles, leaf peeping, slowing down traffic.
IrishWithoutPotatoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figured we'd be more concerned with the threat from Newfoundland first. But to each their own.
sonofherb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Greenleaves802 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd build two walls for that shit
ElolvastamEzt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quรฉbรฉcois.
hedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Queerbecers
Therealbigteddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Queerbecers! Sorry
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crisse, lร ! Pas d'Poutine pour tway esti d'fif!
Peter_See ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:39:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now thats an idea i stand behind
gtikid69 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:01:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quebexicans, or queebs. Get it right
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:51:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even a wall could keep those wheel chairs out
SwitchingToGlide ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:28:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If all Canadians are wildlings, and amongst ourselves we all see Quebec as being an unfavorable, bat-shit-crazy, and difficult to get along with group, but still a part of Canada nonetheless.
Then that makes the Quebecois people Thenns.
derp6667 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Queerbecers
NutritionFAQs ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*keep the Quebecers oot
TheCaptainCog ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 16:06:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where in Canada? Seems to be quite north, cuz it's like 18 degrees here in southern ontario
Jerryy_D ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 16:10:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Edmonton Alberta here has snow
TheFriskyLion ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:35:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And 148 collisions on Friday, because people always forget how to drive in the snow as well as put on their winter tires before it gets to the point that you absolutely need them
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is West-Texas-level winter preparedness. How is that even possible in Canada?
Pineapple_warrior94 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:04:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair this is a really early snowfall even for Edmonton. We usually expect the first snow of the season a couple of days around Halloween. Last year was the exception though since it didn't really snow till early December.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a guy that grew up in Belgium and now lives in Central-Alberta. Apparently the majority of Canadians here hate the cold and hate winter and hate snow. I just love the fact that my two week winter window in Belgium has now become a 4,5 even 6 month window. Finally enough time to finish a decent snow man. Also skiing. Living in Belgium to have a decent ski adventure you need to go to France or Austria or Switzerland and it has always been to expensive for me so I have never skied. Now I ski 2 - 4 times a year at sunshine. Got old rental skiis and booths for a 100 CAD. Day tickets for sunshine can be found as low as 75 CAD. After that all I need is a friend that wants to skiing to and has a car and chip in some money for gas. I fricking love skiing. It's the best thing ever! And if I ever get bored of it I can try snowboarding.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
West Texas, not West, Texas. Don't start adding commas, Shatner.
haikarate12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. Every fucking year people act like they've never seen snow before.
NotACanadaGoose ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I flew home to Ontario from snowy Edmonton last night. Stepping outside into the 18C air here felt awesome after a week in the snow.
TheInevitableHulk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but insects are still around
Dog-boy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's mostly those cute tiny blue flies that seem magical.
Trell3k ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:51:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Saskatchatoon
Rootitusofmoria ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small town of Westlock, 90kms north, got 6 inches past 2 days.
Pirateneil ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:53:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... kilometers then inches?
Rootitusofmoria ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:56:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father is from Chicago, I'm a very verbally-confused teen.
Namington ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:45:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most Canadians use metric in formal settings, but will combine them willingly in more casual conversation.
For example, we measure height in meters for inanimate objects, but people and plants tend to be done in inches or feet. More formal settings use centimeters for those. People have a better grasp on centimeters than inches, but no real preference for meters vs feet.
Weather reports are done in Celsius, but precipitation is more variable - most stations will say "__ inches or __ centimeters", and inches are more common in conversation.
Small weights are done in pounds, and people tend to have more sense of the weight of pounds than kilograms. You'll hear "seven pounds" a lot, but rarely "seven kilos" - usually kilograms will be rounded to multiples of 10, as people aren't as comfortable with them.
Long distances are almost always kilometers, but you can use "miles" in casual conversation and people will subconsciously convert between them.
That's just a few examples, and it's on a case-by-case basis. There are a few situations where we always use metric - for example, you'll never hear "Fahrenheit" outside of American media, except maybe in schools (most provinces have conversion between metric and imperial as part of the curriculum, as it's pretty important in North America). For the most part, though, people know intuitively how to roughly estimate unit conversions and it's not too weird to mix and match them.
ManofManyTalentz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best and most accurate representation I've ever read on the confusing status of metrication in Canada.
nZcastillo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:59:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always love seeing Edmontonians on Reddit :D
the_421_Rob ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calgary has no snow
EverlastingBastard ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:06:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did a week ago. Don't feel too special.
woodlandLSG23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As does saskatoon.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:07:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheCaptainCog ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:08:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, I see. So you're probably gonna have summer for a week followed by freezing rain?
Bleatmop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Freezing rain today in Southern Alberta.
FurryFredChunks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that southern Ontario is farther South than many states, and most of our country is up much higher than us. BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, most of Quebec, and the Martimes are all farther North.
mistriliasysmic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saskatchewan too
slothsie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in Ottawa and I don't know what to wear anymore. Too cold in the morning for my summer clothes, too warm by the afternoon for my fall clothes :/
FGHIK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I love the fahrenheit/celcius confusion moments
JiveTurkeyGobble ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saskatchewan has snow ... Aaaand were not even close to being done Harvest.
Aiomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I'm in Guelph and it's frickin cold.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty cold
TheCaptainCog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not bad. I can still wear shorts in that weather
Illew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grande Prairie here is covered in icy snow, shit sucks.
mineymonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as
We're in Canada? Seems to be quite, north, cuz it's like 18 degrees here in southern ontario.
Obviously Ontario learned its true nature!
DemiGod9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Celsius
mineymonkey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm? I know just about every one else in the world uses the Imperial system of measurement... If thats what you were implying? Idk not much to go off on the comment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We've had snow a couple of times so far in Calgary.
You think where you live defines the experience of all Canadians? Ontario typical. :)
Swiggityswooop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whistler started snowing last week
Old_Runescape ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all Canadians live in southern Ontario eh? Oh wait, yes we do
BlindSoothsprayer ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
18 degrees is pretty chilly in freedom units.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
18o C is 64 freedom units.
TheDarkOnee ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where in Texas is that?
mting622 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 of my classmates do something similar. During study hall, they take their books and combine them into a wall because they sit directly behind a mexican kid.
bent42 ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're gonna need it if he gets elected.
I wonder what they will call us? "Whitebacks" maybe?
gcbsumid ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 15:46:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
white walkers
hydrospanner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna say what about the creatures of Wal-Mart with their electronic carts, but those are the people who want to vote him in.
brokenoggin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snowbacks
Brute_zee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:56:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering most of the people who leave will be liberal, I can see "Hipster" becoming a derogatory term used as a catchall similar to "Wetback."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:01:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think he spends any time thinking about Canada?
ifnotnowtisyettocome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
South Park invented "Canooks" as a slur, I'm quite fond of it.
tadc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frostback
crow_road ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The enemy.
ragnarokrobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frostbacks
Sub116610 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Icebacks
creatingapathy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As if the only people fleeing would be white.
Magnumnumnum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was observing a pre-k class and a kid was building a wall with blocks and when I asked what he was doing he said "Buildin' a big ass wall!"
I figure his dad must say stuff like that
Copdaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its snowing in my town in canada too. NWO?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you that there's enough snow to play in? Fort St. John?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Santa Claus
TheColorBrown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of when I would play "Oklahoma bombing" with my friend right after it happened. We would pretend people were trapped in the house and we had to rescue them before the alarm clock went off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chuckles They are building a Trump Wall out of snow? Hilarious. I may have misunderstood, but are they doing it to mock Trump?
doyouremembah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry he did that to your youth.
SamparkSharma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha! Really? They build a wall around your igloo? That is adorable!
ZadexResurrect ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You let your kids play in the snow? In New Jersey, they always made us stay inside if it got that cold.
dcfrenchstudent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where is it snowing now?
SheRanForHerLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump wins the election, does Canada plan on building a wall to keep out the American Refugees?
Occasionalcat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 26ยฐc here in southern Ontario lol
VolvoKoloradikal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You in Alberta? Heard it was in the forecast.
Ikillall2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter came home from school about 5 weeks ago. She told me trump was gonna build a wall to block off Canada. Soooo this sounds about right.
astrakhan42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how dropping the scythe works on that scale.
doyoueventdrift ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a strange expression!
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/neck+of+the+woods
Kingunderdemountain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But who pays for it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After all, we have to keeps Americans from leaving America after Trump is President.
wtfa-hole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks a lot kids. The wall just got ten feet taller.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm staying in Grande Prairie, AB right now. Friday I woke up and said "Huh, I didn't think it was Oct. 31st already."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that sounds so much better than children repeating after their parents spewing their most likely flawed political rants
ArbitraryAlex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's gonna be a huge wall!
FlavorSki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
phoenixgoldfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the comment has more upvotes than the original post
snoop37 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you in Saskatchewan?
ronculyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unrelated but being from the USA it always sounds weird when everywhere else says grade 4. I guess we are the weird ones for saying the 4th grade.
tcedwards92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Question is, whose going to pay for it?
firstjib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's adorable.
nillysoggin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/thathappened
TRUMP2016BUILDWALL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my friends are in college and we build a trump wall on the beach over the summer. Was yuge
bbobeckyj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this to keep Trump out? Or because they like him?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL: Canadian children care more about American politics than Americans
Slokunshialgo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you that you're getting snow already? Especially enough to build a wall.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a very sound idea. They're building the wall to keep us Americans out. Or rather, soon to be renamed, Trumpians. Who does Trump's bidding. Fumbling about with half baked lunacy and jerking off wherever.
xxavierx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...dare I ask what province are you in? Please don't say Ontario (from a fellow Ontarian)
Desperado2583 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's plan to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it.
Hire a bunch of illegal immigrants to build the wall.
Refuse to pay them.
xwebsterx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"And we're going to make the 3rd graders pay for it!"
mafarricu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To keep those American rapists at bay.
Eurynom0s ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did they make America pay for it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny that Canadians care more about our politics than your own.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, you guys have substantially less money than we do. Of course you're going to spend a lot less on campaigning. What's your point?
Also, you can easily ignore American politics. I know plenty of people that do, and they're Americans. That's not any kind of excuse.
ronchalant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to protect Canada from Trump? smart kids.
MasterofPandas1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whose paying for that snow wall though?
Victorsteeghs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahah "grade four" Canadians do funny stuff
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
on another note any americans that wanna get away from this debate bullshit move to canada we have free health care and maple syrup.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The last step is for them to politely ask an American to pay for it.
alcabazar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have a humidex of 27 today here in Toronto. I'm ok with my current situation.
veRGe1421 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I had to change my jeans to shorts this afternoon today, because the high is 88 degrees (F), despite the mornings/evenings being between 50 and 70 degrees (F) over the last week or so. It's crazy how living in geographically variable (yet often similar culturally) cities has such a significant impact on your sensitivity to varying temperatures and climates. You probably have a lot of really comfortable socks, which sounds great.
nlpnt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...And they're gonna make the US pay for it!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and the wall is defending the North from the south. Clinton and Trump are the white walkers and the smart americans are the wildlings trying to escape. The rest are zombies following one or The Other.
Wolfntee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are going to need it for all of the refugees from the U.S.
Chimone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where the hell are you right now that has that sticky enough snow to build Fort Trump?
nomnivore1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
South Park beat them to it.
4Sken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whereabouts?
Currently in Denial, Winnipeg (manitoba)
stevo2365 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did Mexico pay for it? If not they're doing it wrong.
JessesPinkman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody builds better walls than Donald, his wall will be impenetrable.
From r/DonaldandHobbes
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To work snow centipedes!
BnL4L ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Snow right now is your punishment for lower cost of living maybe he winds of winter ravage you
LegendOfPublo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
South Park Much?
therealrnuld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't they make someone else build it?
Muskwatch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids were playing some sort of skill game, and when you messed up you had to say "I love Trump" as a punishment.
Bran_Cake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's hilarious. I should start calling them that
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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valeyard89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's 95 degrees in Texas today
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do they make the Americans pay for it?
pete7201 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10 feet higher
chowesmith ยท 556 points ยท Posted at 20:01:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not this election, but every time it's election season my mom makes a note to remind me that when I was 4, I supported George W. Bush for president because "it would be neat to have a shrubbery for president"
copmaumau ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 00:28:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In kindergarten, I voted for Bob Dole in our mock school elections because of Dole Bananas. I guess we think alike ;)
chowesmith ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:03:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You tryna run for president in 2020? We'd be a good ticket
ArcboundChampion ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:25:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the point of holding a mock election in kindergarten? Literally no one that age knows wtf is going on.
ral315 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, at age 6, because of Dole Pineapple.
pkim1230 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 00:34:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nee!
holyshithestall ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:51:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nee!
Whelpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please, good knights, have mercy! I merely wish to pass through your forest so that I may obtain the Holy Grail for the Britons!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nee!
country22 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what 4 year old says 'shrubbery'?
chowesmith ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:06:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both of my parents are doctors. Big words were the norm for me even when I had no idea what most of them meant
Imaybelightning ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:32:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read ALOT as a kid, and contextually I could always know when to use words, although I might not understand their meaning. I just liked using flowery words!
Salty_Sea07 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:35:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same, and my mom swore a lot too so I liked to mix fancy large words with terms like "shitty asshole" as well. Still do I guess.
Imaybelightning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My dad was/is a a trucker. So yeah, I've got a right filthy mouth.
Lawliet13110 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:50:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Holy shit same but never know how to explain it without sounding like I'm from /r/Iamverysmart
Imaybelightning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That subreddit I can only take in tiny bursts, but I think it's really funny. I tried to direct bill burr to it via the twitter machine, but he's a dick and won't satiate my need for him to mock those posts for my entertainment.
Lawliet13110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unpopular opinion, I don't really like bill Burr, I'm more of a Louis CK man myself.
Imaybelightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love Louie! Love everything that guy does. How can't you like Burr though? Or rather what don't you like about him? I enjoy his delivery and snideness. My favorite is probably Doug Stanhope though, of current comedians.
Noelwiz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:42:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Monty python baby
HI_Handbasket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why, a child of the Knights of Ni, of course.
coldmtndew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ANOTHER SHRUBBARY!!!!
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kind who wants to cut down the tallest tree in the forest with a herring.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:02:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better reasoning than the adults voting for him.
chowesmith ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:08:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly true. So glad 4 year old me couldn't vote
framerotblues ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:24:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In many ways, we did.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 05:50:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NI!
WayofalexGaming ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:28:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
come on, it's 2001 for fucks sake, how have we not had a shrub president?
ij380 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said the exact same thing as a 4 year old in the 1992 election!
rouseco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only the best Shrubbery, people stop me in the street just to tell me how great my shrubbery is. Shrubbery experts all ask me what makes my shrubbery so great.
AtomicSamuraiCyborg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I supported George H.W. Bush when I was 4 in the 92' election, mostly because he was already the president and that seemed good to me?
Scherzkeks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...guess you hadn't heard about his dad
Dbkiller2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing only I liked the color red. John Kerry was blue which is my least favorite color
Mer-fishy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just impressed that you knew what a "shrubbery" was when you were 4.
rubiscoisrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:58:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he was largely ornamental.
Noisy-dalek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You knew the word shrubbery at age 4? Props to you.
Dasnyde4 ยท 17458 points ยท Posted at 16:02:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whelsko ยท 3753 points ยท Posted at 17:04:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Last of the meheecans.
Formerly_Dr_D_Doctor ยท 1221 points ยท Posted at 17:52:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ยกMantequilla!
Jive_ass_Turducken ยท 304 points ยท Posted at 18:15:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ยกOy! ยกOy! ยกOrgullo!
Itr0llhoe ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:00:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! Oh! Oh! O'Reillys!
Auto partes.
(Edit: I had my cell phone keyboard in Spanish from an earlier conversation and it changed "parts" to "partes". Checks out.)
SandpaperScrew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good, someone else listens to radio.
EliaTheGiraffe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:18:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Homie nah, he's just too cheap to buy Spotify premium.
As am I.
Itr0llhoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word up
Gabenfoodle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:31:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Help, my Reddit is in Spanish again
TheMoonKitten ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:06:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
" ยกLavate las manos! "
FrancisCastiglione12 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:10:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too much butter ON. THESE. TRAYS.
OAKgravedigger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A great leader of Mexico
sherlip ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mรกs despacio, Paula Deen.
Tarquin_Underspoon ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:50:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: 'Mantequilla' is the Spanish word for 'butter.'
fuckitx ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 19:01:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No shit
TeamLiveBadass_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:54:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact, Butters is the real name of the South Park character Mantequilla.
whobang3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No shit
wegwerpworp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:42:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow TIL
belladas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Su casa es aqui
Meow99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite Spanish word!
robitusinz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Croquetas!
StrangeQuark1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No! It's burro. Burrrrrrro
Killsbury3 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:48:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just made that weird noise where you're laughing with your mouth closed so you kinda just snortgrowl. Thank you for that.
Gonnaragretthis ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:18:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nooooo! Mantequilla, to casa es aqui!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:59:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*tu casa estรก aquรญ
WtotheSLAM ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:59:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait a minute, where's Butters?
soy_mantequilla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aqui.
rebc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Favorite episode.
Dameleon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good ol' South Park days.
geordiesvisor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most recent episode was pretty good.
TeamAquaGrunt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:47:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the meheecans episode isnt even that old
geordiesvisor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it was season 15
danwroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chaynese Checkers
blumpkinblake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for saying this. I forgot the name of this game
inglorious-suffering ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the greatest thing I've ever heard.
scheise_soze ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was impressive!
BaconCat42 ยท 1398 points ยท Posted at 17:11:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That reminds me of when I was in 5th grade when the popular game to play on the playground was called Mexicans vs. Americans. There was a big climbing wall that was the border of Mexico. We'd split into two teams and the goal was the Americans had to try and keep any Mexicans from climbing over the border. The teachers shut that game down pretty quickly after finding out what it was. This was about 10 years ago but the memory is still fresh in my mind.
NotATourPro ยท 1134 points ยท Posted at 17:59:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
We just played smear the queer. Whoever had the ball was the queer, and you had to smear him. Nobody had any idea what it meant until around 6th grade probably.
Edit: been waiting for this. My top comment is about smearing a queer.
topofthecc ยท 561 points ยท Posted at 18:35:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought "queer" in the name of the game was meant in the sense of "odd man out" (since the word literally just means "strange") and had nothing to do with anything LGBT.
Hediedtomakemenholy ยท 142 points ยท Posted at 18:42:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! Queer as a gender related term evolved because the homosexual was considered the odd man out
Warhawk137 ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 18:43:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking it happened somehow along the lines of "Oh Margaret, I say, I do think the two gentlemen who moved into the old Bartleby house across the street seem a tad... queer."
Maruff1 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:57:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm old queer still means weird to me and well gay is happy and well now gay. I see nothing wrong with it, that's alot of happy people.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 20:02:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you from the 1800s?
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:19:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The gay man suddenly had a queer, black look.
-Mountain-King- ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:02:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gay meant "happy" as recently as the 1950s. Take a look at old comic books from the early days.
SpookiestBus ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:13:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Batman and Joker talking about their boners.
an-ok-dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wat
SpookiestBus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:01:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 'boner' used to be a term for a mistake, so when Joker had made a big screwup, he was mad about people "making fun of his boner", it's gold.
an-ok-dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha!
lcplholt ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:30:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even Flintstones say gay old time in the song.
alexbhood ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As recently as 70 years ago?
-Mountain-King- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ballpark figure - I know it meant that more recently too (in the 60s too at least, maybe even in the 70s in some places).
alexbhood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:25 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even still. 1970 was almost 50 years ago. That is in no way recent. Especially in the life cycle of slang terminology.
Almostatimelord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:35:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Iron man talking about giving Captain America his "Solid Dick"
HallwayHomicide ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gay never really meant happy. It more directly translates to happy go lucky.
Maruff1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:16:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it. But I have read alot of books from the 1900's and queer actually meant weird. The gay thing for some reason when I think gay I just think "happy and gay" I don't know why it's either from my mother or from music class in school. The music class was mandatory at the time in 4th grade. Sort of an intro to band cause you could join it in 5th grade. Course this was back when at my school they did hearing, vision, and some spinal condition I can't remember the name of. I want to say God I'm old but I'm 40 so in reddit years I'm like 134
oxydize ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When we played smear the queer, the only definition that I had for queer was 'weirdo'. In my mind I translated it to 'smear the weirdo'. Wasn't until I was older and remembered the game that I had any inkling it meant something else.
PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The spine test is for scoliosis.
Maruff1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's it!! All I could think of was the disease my mother has that starts with an 'S' Scleroderma and I knew that wasn't it
PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I could help! I can confirm P.E. teachers in our district still did visual testing for scoliosis among 5th graders as recently as maybe 2000 (I have a family member with a kid who was tested about that time). Not sure if they still do.
For those who don't know, scoliosis is essentially just a spine that has some side-to-side curvature instead of the normal front-to-back curvature. The "gym class" scoliosis test is to have a kid take off their shirt and bend forward to touch their toes so that the teacher can check to see if they see your spine deviating side-to-side at all or if all of your vertebrae line up as expected.
zeno0771 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP but late-'70s/early-'80s queer == weird.
frugalNOTcheap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:51:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know that gay used to mean โhappy?โ When I was growing up, it meant 'lame.โ And now, it means a man who makes love to other men
Helium_3 ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 18:37:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a pretty old game, so that's probably correct.
boomtown90 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:36:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I thought queer was a made up word that rhymed with smear
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:00:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean it originally had nothing to do with LGBTQ. Because you see her Q in that acronym actually means queer
Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:21:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Words can have multiple meanings.
thegreattemperino ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:52:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom has multiple me
anings.[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:16:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is correct. The lexicon has changed to an extent as LGBT has embraced it to define those who are bisexual or undecided.
flexosgoatee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the goal is homophobia, do you really want to say that only the queer has balls?
onlykinect ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may mean "strange" as an adjective, never has been used that way as a noun. Only as a pejorative for people.
Fitzwoppit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For 2/3 of my life it was used as both by everyone I knew. Growing up 'strange' was the only meaning for the word and it could be used either way. There was no sexual connotation at all. Not sure if that's purely age related or also geographical.
Grim-Sleeper ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:57:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I grew up in Germany, one of the more popular games was "Who is afraid of the black man?". Given that there were pretty much no blacks in Germany at the time, it took me until my mid twenties to realize just how inappropriate the game was.
I discussed this with other Germans, and universally everybody thought I was crazy. It regularly takes quite a while to convince others that "black man" is not in fact a euphemism for chimney sweep.
selucram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ich dachte immer der schwarze Mann in dem Spiel sei vergleichbar mit dem amerikanischen bogeyman. Ich wรคr bis heute nicht auf die Idee gekommen ihn mit einem Schwarzen zu assoziieren.
Und alleine die Tatsache dass du andere davon รผberzeugen musst dass eine schwarze Person damit gemeint sein soll sollte eig. Hinweis genug darauf sein dass das hier einfach kulturell nicht damit in Verbindung gebracht wird.
(Ich muss dazu aber sagen (Kontext) dass ich lรคndlich aufgewachsen bin und bis zur 9 o. 10 Klasse keinen schwarzen Mitschรผler hatte)
68686987698 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:35:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
QUICK SOMEBODY GET AN AMBULANCE. SELUCRAM IS HAVIN A STROKE
Grim-Sleeper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ich bin mittlerweile davon รผberzeugt, daร das Spiel in der Tat ursprรผnglich rassischtisch gemeint war. Es ist ein, soweit ich weiร, recht altes Spiel. Und bis vor wenigen Generationen war Fremdenfeindlichkeit ziemlich normal und gesellschaftlich akzeptiert. Lies Dir einfach mal alte Kinderbรผcher durch. Das kรถnnte man heute wirklich nicht so sagen. Struwelpeter, Geschichten von Wilhelm Busch oder sogar einige der Grimm'schen Mรคrchen sind zum Teil sehr krass.
Ich lese zur Zeit meinen Kindern klassische Kinderbรผcher zum Einschlafen vor. Und selbst so etwas harmloses wie Astrid Lindgren kann manchmal recht unfreundlich sein. Die Zeiten รคndern sich dauernd und Dinge, die vor wenigen Jahren vรถllig normal waren, klingen heute einfach unpassend.
Es muร noch nicht einmal wirklich bรถse gemeint sein. Aber Angst vor dem Unbekannten und allen "anderen" war damals ziemlich รผblich, und selbst heute ist das nicht immer so viel besser. Mein Vater erzรคhlt mir immer noch lebhaft von den Feindseligkeiten zwischen Katholiken und Protestanten, die er als Kind erlebt hat. Und da war die "Andersartigkeit" wirklich nicht so schrecklich groร.
Ich gebe Dir allerding recht, daร das Spiel im Laufe der Zeit seine ursprรผngliche Bedeutung verloren hat. Und dazu hat bestimmt die Tatsache beigetragen, daร unsere Generation zu einer Zeit aufgewachsen ist, in der es einfach keine Gelegenheit gab, Schwarze zu sehen. Auรerdem ist der Begriff "Schwarzer Mann", abgesehen von dem Spiel, nicht wirklich gebrรคuchlich gewesen.
Vergleiche das auch ruhig mit dem Begriff "Negerkuร". Als ich ein Kind war, hat niemand ein Problem mit diesem Wort gesehen. Es war zwar selbst damals strenggenommen ein fremdenfeindlicher Begriff; aber genauso wie bei dem obenstehenden Spiel, war es nicht wirklich bรถsartig gemeint war.
selucram ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ich sag heute noch Mohrenkopf dazu... Negerkuร kenne ich zwar vom Begriff her aber wirklich jemanden nutzen sehen hab ich das Wort auch nicht wirklich.
Dass die Geschichten frรผher viel brutaler und intoleranter waren ist mir durchaus bewusst, und evtl. war es auch ursprรผnglich rassistisch gedacht - aber mir ging es eig. eher nur darum dass du gesagt hattest dass das Spiel als solches unangemessen sei, was ich nicht finde, wenn man bedenkt, dass Kinder das iaR nicht in diesem ggf. ursprรผnglich rassistischen Kontext sehen.
Das Spiel als solches ist OK und ein guter Zeitvertreib imho.
thatoneweirdo__ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:40:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck , I accidentally found the German side of Reddit.
Grim-Sleeper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:47:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, Germans are not the only ones to pick questionable brand names for their products. One of my favorite tooth paste brands is from Hong Kong. It proudly advertises with a stylized picture of a black man flashing his shiny white teeth. The brand name was originally "Darkie". But apparently after Colgate bought the brand, they decided to change the name by a single letter. It is now called "Darlie". The Chinese name is unchanged as ้ปไบบ ("haak yahn", black man), though...
Neil_Anblomi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ich hatte da auch nie ein Bild von einem Schwarzen im Kopf als Kind, sondern - genau wie du sagst - ein Pendant zum Boogeyman.
CorrectTheWreckord ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 19:12:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We didn't even use a football after a while. The retarded kid would just be the queer.... and then, we he quit coming to school, I was the queer.... I missed him.
Ligless ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:08:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So wait, you just had a set game where the goal was just to always beat up one guy? Until he quit going to school?
Dude.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:18:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheShadowKick ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:37:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't fun for him.
Neil_Anblomi ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:21:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably why he stopped coming to school.
Tommy2255 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:20:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid, I knew what "queer" meant, but I still wanted to play. I think at one point I called it "the game formerly known as smear the queer". I think some alternative names were suggested, but they were all way gayer than "queer" could ever be.
SuperSocrates ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We called it "tackle the man with the ball." I didn't know there was another name until a lot later in life.
Yapshoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We just called it 'throw it up, bust em up'.
yourmansconnect ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:22:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's sounds pretty gay
NotATourPro ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 18:29:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well we were 9. If you didn't understand, you are supposed to tackle the fuck out of the kid who had the ball with the intention of knocking it out. It was basically a free for all rugby game with no score, and you just played until someone got hurt usually.
Namboman ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:38:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I played football for 7 years and I don't think I ever hit a kid as hard as I did in elementary school smear the queer hahahaha
PomegranateExplosion ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:45:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because everyone else grew up, while you stayed the same.
jesusworesandals ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:49:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or......kids don't usually have a concept of severity, and don't hold back. As you get older, you realize more how badly you can hurt someone and don't play as hard, in most cases.
HectorThePlayboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Feeling alright there, bud?
Shopworn_Soul ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We would generally play until enough people got hurt that we literally couldn't.
Of course, we also played a game we called "Poing" where we would all get on the trampoline at once and actively try to knock each other off via midair collision. We were not really all that smart.
Clacie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those were the days.
iwhitt567 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Told my mom about this game once and I didn't understand why she got mad. Course, she didn't try to explain it in any way, so ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Rage_Blackout ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, we played that and I never even thought about what it meant until your comment. They were just phonemes to me.
jim5cents ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except the kid always on bottom...he knew.
Luftwaffles93 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:59:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah we played the same thing. Except we would drive around in pickup trucks and assault those damned homosexuals. They deserved it. Damn gays ruining everything
ASentientBot ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:33:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're a horrible person, but I'm laughing.
an-ok-dude ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Texas?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:37:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No fair, you're always the queer.
CasualPrevaricator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I remember those days.
puppet_up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Queer say what?
rexlibris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a fucking fun game. Good times.
/am teh ghey
Rucio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how that one caught on... My school in Ohio had the principal talk to us and shut it down after some kid broke his arm. She also didn't like the name of the game.
redmustang04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The boys did the same thing too and that was around 1997
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that and Jungle Ball, which is essentially smear the queer mixed with basketball.
thealmightybrush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that game because I could run fast but had no coordination so unlike football where I had to know how to throw or catch, I could just pick the damn thing up and run, or beat the shit outta the kid who had the ball. When teachers told us not to call the game that because it wasn't nice, we renamed it "kill the man with the ball".
stumblinghunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I was wondering wtf sharks and minnows was. Smear the queer in my day too
pcpoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the polite name as a kid rowing up was kill the pill. who ever had the ball (pill) became the target for tackling.
burneract12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I explained that to my (50 year old) dad, he just about had an aneurism.
foospork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was huge in the 1970s.
Doktag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We called that "kill the dill with the pill" in Australia.
i_am_banana_man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Australia it was called "Kill the Dill with the Pill", or "Kill the Dill" for short.
Baelzabub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah smeer the queer. When PC wasn't a thing and we didn't know what it meant anyway!
gt4674b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a fun game too and now I have no idea what to even call it. AFIAK l, it's not like cross cross applesauce where there's a known PC name for it now.
YouAreCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We called it "Kill the Carrier"
Rcp_43b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god.... I just had a flash back to like 4th or 5th grade when we used to play that... I remember telling a teacher who asked what we did that weekend that me and my friends played Smear the Queer. She looked horrified and I confusedky explained the game and she seemed to feel better about it. I was embarrassed and had forgotten this until now.
KyotoGaijin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me, too. What is Smear the Queer called now?
Grrizzzly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We broke a kid's tibia on the last day of school, 6th grade, playing that. It had been outlawed early in the year for being gratuitous violence, but we decided they couldn't punish us on the last day so we'd play anyway (r/madlads, right?). Big mistake for poor Jason.
But we got to see an ambulance drive across the field, so that was cool.
GiantDuarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You definitely graduated earlier than me, that would never fly anymore.
keeperofcats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We played that too! Our PE teacher even called it that, as well as "Rugby". Found out I was good at running/plowing on through their polite tackle attempts.
GoldenMoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We called it 'kill the dill with the pill'. Would love to play it again one day
ObamaBiden2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:03 on November 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, so that's the game Bill Burr was talking about on his podcast this week. He just said it was a word he couldn't say anymore and I just couldn't figure out what it could have been.
creatingapathy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:23:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved that game and its simple violence. I wish I knew of a different name for it though.
CrimsonEmber ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:58:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's also an episode of South Park
71z47 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:01:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A really fucking good ep haha
TriWeeklyHero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO \o/
ArmyOfMemes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:54:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I played that game too! Didn't know it was all that common!
AptQ258 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:36:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We played a game called "Ant Shit". It was the same as Tag except when you were it you had the ant shit. We played Ant Shit because Tag was banned. Shortly thereafter Ant Shit was banned too. The teacher called my dad because I was inciting gang activity too in 4th grade.
Stacia_Asuna ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During gym the teachers combined the girls' and boys' sophomore gym classes, and timed us on how fast it took to get over a wall. Obviously, Trump jokes commenced.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in elementary school (1980's Mississippi in a 99% white school, for reference) we played a game called "Rednecks and Niggers" (literally what we called it) where we divided up into teams, and the "rednecks" team had to round up the "niggers" and put them in the "jail" or "cotton field" (usually a section of the playground) and the "niggers" team had to "kill" the rednecks by throwing rocks at them. If you got hit by a rock you were out.
Teachers caught on and made us change the name to "cops vs. criminals" and start throwing paper balls instead of rocks.
hurrymenot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sisters and I used to play 'slaves'. If one of us broke something and the others didn't rat you out, you'd be the slave of one of the others. Or if i hurt my little sister and she doesn't tell on me, I'll be her 'slave' for a few hours or until we forgot. Bring her food, do her homework, her chores, etc. The concept and very word slave didn't mean anything negative to us, it was a historical way of life. I don't know who came up with the game, but I will say we were white, privileged children who had no actual knowledge of historically accurate slavery. I'm from rural Louisiana. Sometimes I wonder when I made the complete 180 in my mind.
sparkly_butthole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must've had an interesting childhood.
edwartica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid we played Cowboys and Indians. For some reason, we thought they ate eachother.....
We'd go around the playground chanting .....chicken mcnuggets and cowboys/Indians too.
SunMoonTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awww! Trump's future base :(
catsarefriends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mantequilla?
JustDiscoveredSex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We just played "V," as in the 1980s alien TV show.
derprondo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was totally a South Park episode about this.
punisher2404 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
HAH!
I had a similar version of that except it was an "underground school-wide recess game" of essentially "betting" on how long certain kids could last on the "super spinning tire-swing" thing we had on our playground, thing had like lubed ball barrings or something, it was WAY too spinny than it needed to be. So we took advantage of that and we'd have two or more of the bigger/stronger students, one was Big Jon I remember, they would spin the participants legs and bodies furiously around until they were going straight Lawnmower Man, spinning around like a NASA G-test, kids would fly off after losing grip or the blood rushing to their heads, getting thrown into the playground pit gravel, onto the poles, and even other kids! It last for about a month I'd say, until one little dude took a real shiner on his noggin after his entire body was ejected from the Tire-Swing G FORCE (like 6 feet of air), think HL2/Battlefield rag-doll physics! So we all (like easily 35-50 kids) all looked at each other shocked, wide-eyed, before a few would break into laughter, others rushed to see if the kid was okay, there were times groups of three or four (in a Battle Royale style) would sit in the middle (backs facing out, and sometimes inward) of it as it spun around at what seemed like super sonic speeds, an odd unsuspecting student would be the victor as what were seemingly the "corpses of the slain" lay to waste. I felt like it was our own little self-appointed cross between Thunderdome and The Running Man.
After Sam (that boy that got the shiner, and I think maybe fractured something, could be wrong) went to the nurses office, I think there were some teachers or assistants that kept their eye on the goings on in the ol' school yard. Kind of funny, I hadn't thought about any of that in ages.
skywreckdemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a South Park episode where this game is the main plot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, Cartman
Hornsfan7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a group of fifth graders that would play "la migra" when we went outside at the end of the week. The game was basically tag. They thought it was hilarious. All of them were of Hispanic decent and a handful had recently immigrated so I let the game go on.
Szudar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard kid named Donald invented that game many years ago.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:45:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you cross a boarder, they might kickflip your face.
lalo61 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:05:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf happen to playing bank and robbers. They should of swatted all of you.
[deleted] ยท 4952 points ยท Posted at 16:05:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CanuckBacon ยท 2188 points ยท Posted at 17:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I know, could you imagine if all the Mexicans turned into Donald Trumps?
UhOhSpaghettios1963 ยท 2139 points ยท Posted at 17:53:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then all the Mexicans WOULD be rapists!
SeeShark ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 18:00:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shiiiiiiiiit
rock_n_roll69 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 18:23:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHADDUP
PM_ME_BIRDS_OF_PREY ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:01:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There goes dat boi
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:10:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ayyyy
TheGoodSauce ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO
CNoTe820 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:30:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comment of the day right here folks.
coleman57 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 20:02:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously: can you think of an insult Trump hurls that's not just a projection of his own shadow? Fat? Ugly? Disgusting big mouth? Serial liar? I guess "bleeding out of her wherever" doesn't apply. Then again...
yes_thats_right ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:53:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor guy, he's the victim of a campaign of insults.
Two-Tone- ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:31:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm out of the loop, can someone full me in on this apparent burn?
E: downvoted because I wanted context?
teslaabr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:11:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In addition to what /u/poseidon0025 said, the other half is that Trump said the following during his campaign announcement
AN1Guitarman ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 19:57:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Add the statistic that about 80% of women are sexually assaulted when they cross, and you realize he's telling the truth.
one of many sources the main being Pew research.
Edit: I guess this is how facts and data are treated in the liberal Tucson... No wonder these idiots in the council keep getting reelected, you guys can't even seem to quote things correctly. You re-word every argument I make and argue with that sstrawman. It's mind numbing.
I'm all for some good discussion with people I disagree with, but you need to be able to read first..
debaser11 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:11:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That source says the rapes are carried out by coyotes, bandits, government officials and other migrants. Statistics show migrants are responsible for less crime that native citizens.
He'd be telling the truth if he said the majority are good people while a small amount are criminals and rapists.
kjata ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:45:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably not actually by wild canids.
MillBaher ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:20:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Coyote' is a term for people paid to smuggle others over the boarder.
kjata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
AN1Guitarman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:12:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got some data on that?
janeusmaximus ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:13:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's cause Coyotes aren't usually very good people not because the majority of people migrating to this country are rapists. I just face palmed so hard at this ridiculous comment.
AN1Guitarman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:11:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, you're misquoting him. He did not say "the majority of people migrating to this country are rapists"
janeusmaximus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:56:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"they're rapists." As in "they are rapists." Let's say he isn't saying the majority of Mexican immigrants are rapists, there are rapists and drug users and criminals in every culture (and some good people), why would you even say that? He is supposed to be representing our country as a candidate for president, this shows ZERO diplomacy and I'm scared to live in a world where such an ambiguously racist man could be president. That's right, he didn't blatantly say Mexicans are rapists just like he almost never blatantly says anything sexist or racist, but we aren't stupid and we can read through the lines. How many immigrants do you know? I know a lot, my parents included and zero of them have so much as a criminal record. Because when you're an immigrant, you have to try and stay out of trouble to avoid being sent back to the country you escaped.
AN1Guitarman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. You really need to do some mental gymnastics to get where you're at... I'm just going to leave that alone. You're still wholly misquoting him.
janeusmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:19 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"they're rapists." Not a misquote, look it up.
AN1Guitarman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:11 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really are that dumb? I mean, I know the quote, and I understand english. You seem to either misunderstand the entire quote by lacking the linguistic skill of a 8-year-old, or you're purposefully chopping it up to make an argument that I'm not dumb enough to give credit to.
Either way you add zero value to the discussion when you do that.
I could construe the quote in the same way: Trump said "They're good people" what's the problem?
And that would be just as useless.
janeusmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:03 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. If you say so. Calling names is an obvious sign of superior intelligence so you must be right.
AN1Guitarman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:46 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we've both seen the quote, and you are obviously chopped it up to make a false point. What else am I to assume? Sure it's "calling names" but I'm just using words to describe what I'm seeing. You haven't exactly made a solid argument for yourself or your opinion.
I even provided data and you rephrase that to an idiotic conclusion, so if you have yet to show any sign or logical thinking, why should I take you seriously? At least I provided data, all you've responded with is weak and witless snark.
I'm still all for a good conversation, whenever you intend to actually participate.
So, to pe perfectly clear, you are being very illogical with your responses. I have suggested reasons behind that, be it your incapability or you intentional oversight. You can prove both of those wrong and I will retract my comment on it, more than happily.
We all would like some intelligent conversation on then internet, do we not?
janeusmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:29 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
TLDR. This isn't the type of dialogue I want to participate in, it's ironic that your "main problem," is that I have nothing to contribute when I am in fact contributing my opinion and you are shitting on it. I even said, he never blatantly said most immigrants are rapists, but it's still wrong to say what he said. More than that, you are personally attacking me. Make every excuse you want, I don't talk to bullies. Have fun trolling the internet. Peace!
AN1Guitarman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:47 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's a much better argument. I wish you just made that point instead of trying to twist the words I and Trump said to make that argument. Now,
So by the very fact (the data I provided earlier) that 80%...
Get that. 80% of women crossing the border get sexually assaulted. And yet "what he said is wrong" in your opinion.
Now that you've actually made the point in a coherent way, I can point out how the data debunks it. You can still hold the option all you want but the data shows otherwise. (Unless you have some other data or a logical argument to back your point up OFC.)
Trumps quote:
And the statistic is one of many easily found data sources that substantiate that claim.
So, you may not like what he said, or maybe how he said it(and if that's how you fell I have an explanation for why he worded it that way). But It wasn't wrong. It was accurate. Which is why the wall is so important to so many Americans AND Immigrants. And then fixing our broken immigration system when we will actually enforce the laws on the books first.
And again I wasn't "shitting on your opinion" I had a general idea of what you were getting at, but I wasn't going to respond to a straw man argument. I'm glad you've corrected that and I hope you present your arguments in this more honest fashion. I don't believe your intention was dishonesty, but the nature of how you responded to this originally was dishonest, and would not add to any discussion. It would just make it into an unending shitstorm off of an inaccurate tangent, hence why I harped on it so much.
You might now see this in other people in the future, and I'd encourage you to point it out as well (though, you may be better at doing it nicely than I, that is a work-in-progress for me as clarity is more important to me since lack of it has a longer lasting effect than anyone's feelings) So I appreciate your patience, and now we're both better off for it. Now a discussion can be had!
janeusmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:16 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are the reason so many people hate Reddit. I'm seriously thinking of never coming on this site again. I started getting on here because I felt a sense of community with my fellow nerds but now I realize it's a place for trolls to lurk in the shadows and pounce on other people they feel are inferior to them. I'm not even reading your responses, just an FYI.
AN1Guitarman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:36 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whelp. I could say the same for you, but I didn't want to. I helped you fix your argument and you you've just explained to me you need a safe space.
What a shame. It's pretty frustrating when you continually and robotically all take another's arguments out of context. You fixed it too, and I was happy to finally have a discussion, but then you just reaffirm my ad hominem.
If you can't handle the trolls, and don't know how to avoid them, this isn't the place for you anyway.
blewpah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't relevant to the population that resides in the US. There are somewhere around 6 million illegal immigrants from Mexico in the US, you're telling me you think somewhere around 80% of those are rapists? 4.8 million illegal mexican rapists? So more than 1 out of every 100 people in the US. Sounds pretty silly doesn't it?
AN1Guitarman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:06:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from you wholly misreading the statistic, saying something "sounds silly" isn't an argument.
blewpah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were the one taking the statistic of the percentage of women who are victims of sexual assault while crossing the border as being indicative that Donald Trump's assertion that illegal immigrants as a whole are dangerous/rapists was true. I was applying your logic to the statistics.
AN1Guitarman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You keep changing your argument... and misquoting me. Does anyone in this sub actually read and respond to the shit I actually type?!
Yes, a damn good sized chunk of the immigrants crossing the border, breaking our laws are not generally good people.
But this discussion is pointless, you all are so stuck in your weird parallel dimension you can't even respond to the text right in from of you properly. You have to morph my argument to combat it, it makes you look like a fool.
poseidon0025 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:37:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump was filmed bragging about sexual assault a few years ago, and the footage was released recently.
AN1Guitarman ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 19:53:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was bragging about what women would let him do... the shier number of people who don't know what guy-talk is is staggering..
This is not "assault".
janeusmaximus ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:19:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all men talk this way. It's disgusting to excuse it as guy talk, he's saying he can grab anyone's pussy he wants to because he's famous, that's disgusting and would be sexual assault if he ever did that (which he apparently did).
poseidon0025 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:28:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please, as a man, don't group him with us. Saying all guys brag about wanting to assault women, and use their power to coerce them, is some serious misandry. I know guy talk, and it's "I would like to have sex with that woman" (albeit more crudely worded) not "Yeah, that woman couldn't refuse my advances, so it was great!"
Using positions, power, or connections to convince someone to have sex with you is generally considered coercion, which takes away an aspect of consent, making it considered more rapey. Obviously, getting a friend of yours and them to introduce you two and act as wingman isn't bad or rapey, but having them in your office or inviting them up to first class, where it's hard for them to leave or complain, is definitely quite rapey.
AN1Guitarman ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those last two have been exposed as total lies. I'm not trying to condone what he said, or how he used his popularity to woo women. But I'm far more concerned about the woman who threatens actual rape victims rather than someone who said some dumb shit 11 years ago.
And he's not generally talking about "convincing" anyone, he's talking about what women would let him do, and probably exaggerating it into a joke, which is why everyone around him was laughing.
Shedart ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:04:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is describing assault. And guy talk or locker room talk is crude but I get it. However he wasn't in a locker room, he was being recorded during an interview like meeting. His words were lnowlongly being stored forever and he still spoke in the way he did. His character is abhorrent and to say otherwise at this point is disingenuous.
AN1Guitarman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your argument falls apart when you actually tell the truth about the context.
This is simply untrue. Look it up. They were in a bus, it's just a hot-mic gaff. Stupid, crude, and you can tell he's exaggerating for comedic effect by the fact everyone on the bus with him is laughing.
It's a non-issue. Simple as that.
Shedart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:27:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is an issue though. I don't say shit like that. I don't want children saying shit like that. If I heard a friend of mine talking like that I would not trust them because it is directly indicititive of their character. I don't care what the fucking context is. Someone who regularly talks in such a way doesn't have the chops to be president. He has proven again and again that he is a deplorable human being, this is just icing on the whole shitty cake. That attitude obviously works in big business, But I don't want him taking that kind of attitude to the Oval Office because it doesn't befot someone I want representing me.
CrowSpine ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what lnowlongly means, but if you mean unknowingly saying he "still spoke in the way he did" is kind of dumb, people say lots of dumb shit when they aren't being recorded. Who knows, maybe Hillary has too.
Shedart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I meant knowingly, autocorrect was not my friend there. He said stuff on the record that a decent human being wouldn't say in private outside of middle school. Hillary probably has at one point said stupid shit, but this conversation isn't about what she may or may not have said. It is about what Donald trump HAS said and HAS done.
IRPancake ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:08:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's describing assault, but it is not assault. If just talking about something was grounds for finding someone guilty of that crime, we'd be living in a fucked up world.
Downvoting this sentiment makes zero fucking sense btw. If I made a comment (in a private conversation no less) saying "I could kill that man I'm so upset", are you implying that I should be treated as if I actually murdered someone?
Dark days ahead, folks. I'd go ahead and go through your entire online presence with a fine tooth comb, wouldn't want anything taken out of context and applied to your criminal charges for those hurtful words you said. Ya'll aren't serious, I really, really hope.
breadfollowsme ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:10:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. But when a bunch of women come forward saying that you did to them what you said you did, it's hard to pretend like you were just talking shit.
IRPancake ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's all well and good, but it happened less than a week after that allegation came up, now someone from 22 years ago steps forward? That doesn't raise any questions to you? Especially weeks before the election against a female opponent who pushes womens rights? It's also known now that the 'victim' attempted to regain employment with him after the supposed incident and also contacted him for help last year. She must really be upset about the situation.
At the end of the day, talking about it still doesn't make him guilty, even if someone steps forward. What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'? Hillary has consistently been trying to taint his character, it wouldn't surprise me if she paid someone off to step forward. I've made an open offer to anybody I come across betting that the person stops pursuing legal action after the election, but nobody wants to do it :(
breadfollowsme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:11 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what else happened immediately preceding the allegations coming out? The candidate made comments basically confessing to specific behaviors. One of the primary reasons victims of assault don't come forward is the fear of not being believed. It's hard enough to deal with an assault, but knowing that you're going to have to defend your reality to the public is more than some people are willing to risk. When you accuse someone famous of assault, you're going to face people going through your history with a fine tooth comb, looking for every possible reason you might be lying.
And clearly, that's the case. At this point we have 8 separate women accusing Trump of assaulting them. Accusing him of doing EXACTLY what he said he could do and get away with, on tape. And STILL you're set on believing that he must have been joking and they must have ulterior motives.
I heard an interview with the woman who said he assaulted her on the airplane. She said she didn't come forward at the time because it was just part of the business culture at the time. (Which is backed up historically). That she would have been told to deal with it, that there would have been no recourse for her. She she just dealt with it. Then this came up, and at first she figured that the more recent accusations would have been more relevant. Then she realized that he was denying all of it, and she couldn't stay silent. She said she will be voting for Hillary, but that she has not campaigned for Hillary or been particularly vocal about her support for Hillary Clinton. She said she spent $5 on a button, and that's the only money she's given Ms. Clinton's campaign. SHE contacted the editor of the New York Times. She stated that she has not been contacted by the Clinton campaign.
I'm honestly shocked at the lengths people will go to believe that sexual assault didn't happen. What do you need to believe them? At what point will you accept that Trumps campaign is run on hate, lies, and conspiracy theories?
IRPancake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:17 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I refuse to dedicate time to giving you a well thought out response, because you're never going to listen to it.
At what point will you accept that Hillary's campaign is actually run on hate, lies, and actual conspiracies that have been proven? You're that blind that you just want to point the finger at Trump for his hurtful words and hilariously conveniently timed sexual assault charges? Come on, you're not that dumb.
breadfollowsme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:40 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Since 1. She hasn't used hate speech. 2. She actually been rated as significantly more honest than trump. (Come on. Your candidate repeatedly denies saying things that we have him on tape saying... recently). Most of the shit that comes out of his mouth is either hate speech, or blatant lies. 3. The "conspiracies" You refer to refuse to take into consideration a vast amount of information. Including repeated investigations that have turned up little to nothing that suggests that what she's done amounts to anything more than just some bad judgement calls.
Regarding Trump. 1. Hurtful language, especially repeated, unrepentant hurtful language IS significant. To have someone who repeatedly slanders others as the President is a HUGE concern.
A. He has repeatedly threatened the First Amendment. He has repeatedly stated that he wants to make journalists vulnerable to lawsuits over what they write. This is backed up by his repeated lawsuits against journalists when they print things he doesn't like. This is a clear violation of the Constitutional right to free speech and freedom of the press. He has also banned various news organizations from his rallies because he doesn't like their reporting.
B. He has expressed admiration for the New York Stop and Frisk program. He continued to defend that program even after it was pointed out that the program was ruled unconstitutional. He has suggested the use of war crimes - including the use of torture (regardless of if it would provide useful information) and the murder of the families of potential terrorists including women and children.
C. One of the primary jobs of the President is that of a diplomat. They are responsible for interacting with other nations and protecting stable relationships between us and our allies. His ONE diplomatic visit to Mexico resulted in widespread protests and the resignation of a high level politician. Beyond that his clear inability to control his mouth means that he cannot be trusted to speak with tact and intelligence when it is required.
D. The few proposed policies that he has given are incomplete and poorly thought out. His immigration reform policies are expensive, ineffective, and, at times, unconstitutional. He has no clear platform on education, and the little that he has proposed is impractical. His tax proposals are, again, ineffective and poorly thought out. His platforms on gun control and abortion are clear, but his background doesn't suggest that he consistently backs those view points. He has, at different times, made statements contradicting the stances he currently holds. His health care policies sound good to Conservatives, but fail to account for transitional periods, and he has not suggested any solutions the the problems that the Affordable Care Act was designed to address. In other words, not only do we take away the problems of the ACA, but we also reverse the progress, and he has no suggestions for how to move forward from there. The fact that there are problems in our Health care system is not controversial. Only the solutions are; and he has proposed none. There is more to say about finance reform, big business, infrastructure, job creation, banking, unions, paid family leave, social security, student loans,... etc.... his platform is unclear and incomplete.
E. His grasp of foreign policy is poor. When talking about the use of force and its global political implications, he shows ignorance both of current events and historical precedence. His lifelong policy of attacking first and refusing to back down is a great way for us to get ourselves into multiple, dangerous, unwinnable wars all over the globe.
F. I feel like I would be remiss in mentioning how he has insulted American Heros. This is relevant because one of his primary roles would be the Commander and Chief. His clear lack of respect for the American Military and their families calls into question how he would treat veterans. Including crucial programs that are designed to treat PTSD and other combat related injuries.
I could keep going. There are MANY more issues that have nothing to do with his absolutely horrific treatment of women, the disabled, and minorities. It's not just that Trump is a terrible person. It's that he is completely unqualified. He has repeatedly demonstrated that he does not have the knowledge, experience, temperament, or skill to be in politics at all, much less to be President.
You think my problem with Trump is all about how he looks and sounds. And I DO have a problem with that. But that's just the tip of the ice burg. Give me as clear and thought out criticism of Hillary Clinton and I will absolutely listen to it.
Edited to add that your downvote was very convincing.
PandaLover42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:52:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So either Donald was bragging about sexual assault that he actually committed, or he was lying and embellishing because he thinks sexually assaulting women is a cool thing to do. Is that it?
IRPancake ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you actually listened to the full conversation, or are you parroting the sentence that the media has spoonfed you out of context?
PandaLover42 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:50:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you've already made up your mind. Do you have an alternative interpretation then?
IRPancake ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:27:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point wasn't that he said that he could do whatever he wanted with women, it was the context of the discussion in general. He was essentially describing what the kids these days consider a 'gold digger' and how they throw themselves at men with money. There are songs on the radio that say the exact same thing. "but, but they're not r-running for p-president!" They also weren't having a private conversation, and actually flaunted that stance. Trump owned it and apologized, it's time to move forward like adults instead of living decades in the past.
PandaLover42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So when Donald says he grabs them by the pussy, he means that women jump and land on his hands with their pussy? And when Donald says he needs a tic tac because he kisses women without asking, he means that he has to freshen his breath in case some women attack his mouth with theirs? And when Billy Bush was being a perverted wingman by telling that woman to give Donald a hug, he was actually being a bad friend and submitting Donald to be assaulted by her?
And when you say Trump owned it and apologized, what was he apologizing for? He was apologizing for being attacked by these "gold diggers"? And by "apologize", do you mean downplaying the issue of sexual assault and deflecting to bill Clinton? And when you say it's time to move forward like adults instead of living in the past, why does Donald keep bringing up Bill Clinton repeatedly? Why did he parade a bunch of women prior to the last debate? Why won't he really apologize and own up to his past behaviors, instead of attacking each accuser and saying they're all lying? Why does he allow his surrogates to claim what he said on that bus is no big deal, effectively normalizing sexual assaults?
Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I understand your spin correctly. Or, you know, you can just fuck right off.
genericsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well words can be considered sexual assault. I'm not a lawyer, and it depends on the state or whatever, but what he said could easily be considered sexual assault. Regardless of that though, he literally described himself commuting sexual assault, so yeah.
Also, the murder thing is such a ridiculous straw man. You can get in trouble for that, but not likely. If you told someone you are going to murder them you can easily be charged with this crime called, drumroll, assault.
IRPancake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sexual assault against WHO? He never mentioned a single person. Sexual assault isn't a victimless crime, you can't sexually assault 'women' in general.
The murder thing is not a strawman, it's called an, wait for it....drumrolllllllllllllll....analogy. They're both crimes, and they're both being treated as guilty without zero proof or intent to act, they are directly comparable. I should be basically be sentenced to death for saying words.
Shedart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't downvote you. And the words are not the act. But the he words count for something when you are considering the president of the United States as the job he's effectively interviewing for.
IRPancake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't speaking directly to you, obviously.
Words count for something, of course, but actions speak louder than words. Hillary's desperate (albeit successful) attempt to tarnish his character is what's really disgusting. How much would you like to personally bet me that the allegations get dropped after the election? I mean, if you think its true, then it's basically guaranteed money.
As I said, actions speak louder than words, and Hillary's actions are certainly something to consider when determining if she has the ethics required to be a leader.
notLOL ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:11:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wouldn't be camp... that would be an American prison system.
Volundarkvioa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well in the United States we had camps like the one you just described. So it's fitting to call it a camp! Just don't try to get an internship there...
victim_of_the_beast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pow!!! Shots fired.
hotliquidbuttpee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pow!!! Right in the pussy!
cursed_deity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, Donald Trump is a rapist? wtf is going on in america
Brinner ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:23:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He bragged on a live mic that he sexually assaults women and gets away with it cause he's famous. He then denied ever doing so. Then 9 women who heard his denial came forward with various credible stories about being molested by Trump. His first wife accused him of rape but later recanted. So Trump might be a rapist but he's definitely a sexual predator.
starmiya_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep he had this video scandal released last week.
Plinkman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno but I'm glad I'm not there.
Calonhaf ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 00:08:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. But he's not team liberal so it doesn't matter whether he is or not.
cursed_deity ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:15:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump supporter?
Calonhaf ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even American, sweetie. Lucky enough to not have to pick between the two festering piles of shit they're calling candidates.
Objective observer, you could say.
janeusmaximus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see...
Innerfaces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I had gold you would have it
rsn1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one. Somebody throw gold at this one.
slingmustard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you say "grab her pussy" in espanol?
freemonkeys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agarrar de la panocha.
Now go have fun, kiddo
TrickMichaels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aye ohhhhhh! This guy? Amirite?!?
Madwheels96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill
Eman9871 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're thinking about Bill Clinton
crystalistwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There goes my hero!
Watch him as he goes!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn. slow clap
1TARDIS2RuleThemAll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean bill Clinton right? Like legitimately..
holrol93 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I had gold to give you right now. Well done sir.
Bravelittlenugget ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just give him this, I'm sure it's just as good https://imgur.com/gallery/sy9lVl4
PerplexedGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be like that one Doctor Who episode - but worse.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:16:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you do it
thestickystickman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:15:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buuurrrnnn
Slinkyfest2005 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Och...
mntwins7 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:46:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You people keep using that word. I'm not sure you know what it means.
tomorsomthing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:35:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump will be standing trial for the rape of a minor this December. Accused rapist is the best title for him, but frankly, given his pattern of behavior, we can just go with "rapist".
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No he won't, it's just some girl making claims and she has not been formally interviewed. Let's be honest, the guys been an A list celebrity for 30+ years and now, when we're less than a month away from the election, he's being pelted with rape allegations. Doesn't that seem a little fishy to anybody? He's been in the spot light for so long, so if he had actually done anything of significance we would know by now. I am by no means a trump supporter, but I believe that intentional defamation of character based on claims is wrong and should not be taken at face value. Also just a reminder: innocent until proven guilty is an American right, so I ask that you please respect it before shitting all over the legal process by jumping to conclusions
tomorsomthing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So much wrong with this I don't even know where to start. I feel like you're too far gone to reach, so I'm not going to bother.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, by all means, start. Sounds like you're the one believing everything the Clinton news network says
tomorsomthing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:16:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually voting for Stien, but nice try there, you almost spat out something that had merit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh even better! You want to vote for stein,whose economic policies go against literally every single basic economic principle! She would singlehandedly destroy the u.s. economy. Tell me why you think she'd be a good president? Edit: also, it's spelled Stein*, just helping you so you vote for the right person :)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just downvote me and don't tell me why you're right. But fuck me for believing in the bill of rights and questioning mainstream media, right? You are truly a dumbass of the highest caliber
tomorsomthing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:14:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to dissapoint you, but you're wrong again. It turns out other people use this website. You think you support those things, and I bet you're genuine in your belief that you do as well, but seeing as you called for the identity of a 13 year old rape victim to be outed to the public, all to support your own twisted view of things, Im going to go ahead and make another assumption, and say you don't actually support those things at all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Check snopes bud, her identity is out. Nothing has come out to support those claims at all. So once again you should fact check yourself and avoid making assumptions because you make yourself look like a fucktard. And how is assuming someone is innocent until proven otherwise a twisted view??? If We didn't question every rape allegation then what's to stop somebody from accusing someone of rape and having them immediately jailed? Doesn't seem very fair does it? It honestly sounds like you are not supporting the right to a fair trial which seriously discredits you. Also if you don't support those basic freedoms that I listed, then how bout you move to a country that doesn't grant you those freedoms, like oh I don't know, Iraq or Afghanistan?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously if you don't support those things then leave this country. You don't deserve to live here if you don't believe in laws put in place to protect citizens.
mntwins7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:27:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's incorrect. Where'd you get that, Hillary Clintons fact checker?
Thanks for the disagreeing downvote.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm amazed that Reddit hasn't questioned any of these allegations that are coming just weeks before the election.... Seems like a hell of a coincidence huh? Reddit just likes to play detective when it's in their best interest
mntwins7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. They believe what ever the liberals spoon-feed them. You think we would've known about these things for some time. So strange that these "rapes" miraculously surface just weeks before the Presidential Election. Hmmmmm....
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. The man has been a high-profile, billionaire, A-list celebrity for several years and we are just now hearing about it? This is laughable. Meanwhile, Hillary has done far worse things and it's just the "right wing media with tinfoil hats". Honestly terrifying our votes count just as much as theirs do.
mntwins7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so odd to think that those in power really seem to be smarter than the rest of us. The politicians literally could say anything, and a large majority of people will believe it no questions asked.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Most of the time they're just power hungry people looking for a job. Doesn't necessarily make them smarter. Jill stein is a prime example.
Boom_harvey ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You confused Trump with Bill Clinton, Trump used words Clinton whipped out his penis.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really believe the bullshit the media is spewing? I feel bad for you man.
octarino ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
into Donald Trump's what?
CanuckBacon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't even make a punctuation mistake on a default subreddit without you coming and correcting me!
Thanks bud!
octarino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't correct on the mothersub anymore. They forbade me.
I noticed it was you because of the RES karma count :)
CanuckBacon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What!? That's crazy, I honestly really appreciate you correcting me. Why did they stop that? Is it just you or everyone?
Am I that far in the negatives? :P
octarino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's low but because RES got reseted recently.
PMed
chrisfrat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might be able to get them to pay for the wall if that happened
Easilycrazyhat ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:14:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, if you think even Trump can get Trump to pay for anything, you're mistaken.
Colonel_K_The_Great ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Mexico would have the world's lowest self-esteem.
shmann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy crap, Marco Gutierrez?!
Atarka-WorldRender ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kek <---this one
Kek
Kek
Kek
HailToTheKink ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:37:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The liberals would be screaming for a wall.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Y Tu Mama Tambien was a great flick!
wharpua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, now I have a new nightmare.
Thanks, Reddit!
Phoequinox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm imagining the Burly Brawl.
gladbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well they are trying to build their own walls to keep the southern illegals out of their country....
traviton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The better joke was, "could you imagine if all the sharks turned into Donald Trumps!?"
Sysiphuslove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It starts slowly, your eyes get really tiny and so do your hands
JohnnyHendo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean with all that drug money, some of them might be as rich as Trump.
Meetybeefy ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:31:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Around 2004, when me and my cousins were younger, we were playing Marco Polo in the pool and kept changing the names of "Marco" and "Polo" to silly words like "Toilet" and "Poop", and one round my older cousin decided to change the names to "Martha Stewart" and "Janet Jackson", two controversial figures in the news that year. Cue a bunch of elementary school age kids shouting "Janet Jackson" as my cousin swam around the pool saying "Martha Stewart"
filled_with_bees ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:26:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dios mios
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
aye
chawk726 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:04:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Carp* holy carp ๐
Chickachic-aaaaahhh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Magicarp use spash
Atanar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, imagine becoming Trump by being touched by Trump.
plumprabbitjockey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're becoming sentient
KenyanGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What have you heard, Mwalimu?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A better idea. Instead of doing the Chinese wall game, how about we play the Trump wall. Every mexican you catch has to become the wall (aka paying for it). The wall infinitely expands.
LocomotiveEngineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what was smeared
Holycrap328 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:46 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What?
Mirrorflute88 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm in highschool and our 2 am game of cops and robbers got divided up between minorities and white kids. I'm latina so I was a robber but its all in good fun, no racism
Innerouterself ยท 899 points ยท Posted at 17:04:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I babysat some kids who would go around the neighborhood playing border patrol and pretend shooting at the gardeners and workers in the neighborhood. Weird ass kids.
riversilver ยท 623 points ยท Posted at 17:22:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*racist ass kids
[deleted] ยท 206 points ยท Posted at 17:25:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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riversilver ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 17:27:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OH SHIT you got me
Adolf-____-Hitler ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 17:41:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are litteraly the worst person ever.
riversilver ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:50:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Adolf <3
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:14:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Inariameme ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Another literal worst person. . .
DemiGod9 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:09:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That means a lot coming from you
Not-Giving-You-Gold ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:10:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That must take a load off your shoulders.
mr_grass_man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:51:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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alamandrax ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:09:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a dog in this and I was triggered for you. Quite triggering.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:28:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
eye twitching intensifies
massweight ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:39:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*racist ass parents
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they were Canadian gardeners
Jordaneer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are their butts racist?
TheSalmon25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*racist ass parents
riversilver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*racist ass kids with racist ass parents
_tylerthedestroyer_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Racist ain't born, it's taught
riversilver ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:20:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whether they were born racist or taught to be racist, doesn't change the fact that they are now Racist Ass Kidsโข
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:12:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those kids are just economically anxious
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And there it is. Exiting thread.
riversilver ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:19:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might be too sensitive for reddit
SlayerOfCupcakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are... are you triggered?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am reverse triggered.
SlayerOfCupcakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's still just triggering.
Sorry you didn't have a safe space :/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
America was my safe space ๐
losers_downvote_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grats
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:33:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the South Park episode "Last of the Meheecans"?
taco_roco ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 17:48:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why Trump's rhetoric is a huge problem.
He doesn't have to inherently racist to be racist. He doesn't have to directly discriminate to antagonize and enrage racial discrimination. He's normalizing it.
Kids hear his shit and don't understand the larger scope of what he's talking about, but his speeches are simplified enough to be easily twisted by people, especially those who can't fully comprehend it.
Innerouterself ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:47:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was circa 2006 so it's been going on for a while.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stereotype that Latinos might be illegal immigrants is a reaction to poor border controls that allow economic migrants to illegally cross the border from Latin America. The only thing Trump has done is made it politically acceptable to discuss the issue.
Not-Giving-You-Gold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Locker room talk is a thinly veiled way of saying boys will be boys...
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:25:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there are even border patrol Halloween costumes
rockoman100 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:07:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty fucked up actually
Badmoto ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:55:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah...how darling. A couple of future George Zimmerman's.
Hookedongutes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really that weird.
We used to play cops and robbers. Hahaha
waiv ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:49:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like the real Border Patrol.
ScottieScrotumScum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:00:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Shoot then gardener... What he do bang the wife?
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 17:36:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ieatyoshis ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:45:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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usesNames ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, we get it, that's why you got the call out link in the first place.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:52:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CoffeeAndSwords ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:10:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tf is a shill. I only see it when people are mad that someone disagrees
usesNames ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:12:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typically that would mean a person who is paid to promote something. Usually disingenuously? In this context it makes no sense. Best I can figure is I'm promoting the idea that sometimes some things actually happen, and our surly friend takes issue with that.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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your-opinions-false ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A SHILL
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
THEBAESGOD ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Down voted in AskReddit? Must be hillary shills lol.
You're like that comic of the dude on the bike and the stick is CTR.
Watki21 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:48:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh lord
Dasnyde4 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:59:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad part one they didn't see anything wrong with it. It was a movie making camp in which a group created a mockumentary about dirt featuring Donald trump. They really nailed it. It was hilarious
Bahamute ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because there's not really anything wrong with it. It's essentially a parody of Trump's statements.
Shrinks99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I REALLY want to see that.
LoveOliver ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:28:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also work at a camp. Kids somehow learned how to tie a noose and we're teaching other kids. That one earned a few phone calls.
ItsMe_RhettJames ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:29:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember being in elementary school. Played dodgeball in gym. The teachers asked us to name our two teams. Turned into Bush vs Gore very quickly. Maybe a couple kids on each side were serious. The rest of us and the teachers thought it was hilarious and didn't care what our teams were named. We just wanted to go into battle!
ikorolou ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 17:00:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's honestly kinda funny
helix19 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:36:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda funny? It's hilarious.
kingwi11 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:29:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jews v Nazis
whendoesOpTicplay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta admire creativity.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:20:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whats sharks and minnows?
Dasnyde4 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:47:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have runners and catchers. Runners try to get to the base without getting caught.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
cops vs robbers?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so like manhunt? gotcha
WastingMyLifeHere2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:01:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tag?
awesomesauce615 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:24:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i didn't know either, but googled it and it is essentially british bulldog for americans.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whats the one where everyone on the running team gets 1 letter of a word and the catchers have to beat the letter out of them and figure out what the word is to win.
I always get that confused with bulldog
AweBlobfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are minnows?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:22:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small fish, I imagine eaten by certain small sharks
brickmack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:40:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah! When I was in elementary school we played soldiers and taliban/al queda/terrorist. I always ended up being the one tied up and waterboarded, I think it awakened something in me.
fkingpussies12345678 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:11:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually pretty clever.
QuasarsRcool ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you type that like it was a quote
plasdfl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/XxTurdlexX this game sounds familiar hehe
xXTurdleXx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean juke the border?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, we did Nazis vs Jews when I was younger. The school was not too happy for some reason
Alexzanderisgr8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't give them anything that signifies as a gun. I.E water guns, Nerf guns hell not even finger guns. We don't need little trumps finger banging the Mexicans
185139 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This generations smear the queer
WhipWing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is sharks and minnows like a game where the sharks run around beating the shit out of the minnows?
When I was a kid we called the game IRA in Ireland.
TacoBeans44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
best one yet! I'm Mexican and I find this so hilarious
Mr_Butlertron23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, seems more offensive to Trump than to Mexicans
DrMobius0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well, the shoe fits
gooniesneversaydye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This can't be true...
FR_STARMER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol yes
aquaticsnipes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why'd you have to shut it down? I might start playing this one with my friends.
skankhunt101010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is awesome
ohdearsweetlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trumps... shudder
CurrisCore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is "Sharks and Minnows"? A variant of Tag?
rektMyself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good call. Minnows are terrible at building walls.
Jantage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me of the Southpark episode where they play "Texans vs Mexicans"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ahahahaha
LostInSpaceXXX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mexican here. It's called Mexicans vs Pendejos. FTFY
lightyearbuzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha me and my friends used to play a game called German Spotlight, kinda like sharks and minnows, but with a flashlight. We of course didn't realize it was a reference to trying to escape a German concentration camp without getting spotted. My parents got real pissed when they caught me teaching it to a bunch of my Jewish friends at one of their bar mitzvahs
Castillion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In Switzerland we call this game "Who's afraid of the black man?" ("Wer hat Angst vorm Schwarzen Mann?"). This is actually the name of the game, not a made up title by small kids! Sooo... "Trump and Mexicans" actually seems almost more acceptable than our name...
(Although as the wiki says the "black man" probably doesn't stand for PoC, but for mine workers or even the Black Death/the plague.)
shanticas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean im pretty sure kids who grow up in hispanic families tend to play this version of the game with whatever social/political conflict going on in South America/Central America/Carribean.
I remember playing 'Army v Terrorist' instead of Shark. We would have 3 'terrorists' in a group of 5 people and two 'army members' would cover the exit. If any person made it and they were the terrorist gets cleared and stay on the other side. If all the innocents made it to the other side, the terrorists lost. It was a weird time back in 2004...
We also played Fidel and Boats where we would make boats and put stuffed neopets from McDonalds (yea) and one person would throw projectiles and try to knock a neopet out or sink the boat.
zedsdeadbby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Changed it to Sharks vs Jets
sheeeeeez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is scary
CheekiNoBreeki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty funny.
Username_678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scanning for Mexicans!
WhatSheOrder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We used to call that Border Patrol. You had to run across the dirt field without being tagged.
Eurynom0s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chadarnook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you have to shut it down? If we tell kids what they can and can't think, it will limit free speech. This is why we have a generation of millennials who are easily triggered and need safe spaces.
missmediajunkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! I remember in the mid-80s playing a version of cooties where you got AIDS. The teachers were not happy about that one.
hardrock527 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell the to change it to Hillary vs Russians then, SJW won't have a problem with that
ShaneDAWS0N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad you shut down the sharks and minnows game, I'm sure Trump vs Mexicans is much safer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny to think about applying that logic. when illegal immigrants get caught trying to cross the border, they then become a border patrol officer.
Fredfredbug4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll never meet anyone more racist than kids from 8-14.
mminnoww ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmmmm.
TheHeroicOnion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not leave it it's funny
rAlexanderAcosta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I logged in so that I could upvote this comment. Too funny.
Max_Trollbot_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orange is the new brown?
phat_ninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sharks and minnows? You mean cowboys and Indians?
jonsnowknowsall456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
FuckTrumpWithAGlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually really sad. Kids shouldn't be getting subjected to that racist shit.
dropdgmz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To clarify it would be Trump vs Mexican rapist and drug dealers, not the good Mexicans. ftfy
Bladewing10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I guess that's just modern day Cowboys and Indians
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a pro-diversity camp, so the first day of camp they got put into the most diverse groups possible. One day while standing in line for lunch my kids lined themselves up lightest to darkest. ON THEIR OWN. I was dead.
Jesus-KunOP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouslve let that keep going
_Sagacious_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a strange name for cops and robbers
ScarletMacaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a summer camp this year and all the kids were playing a game where one person was "old man Donald Trump" and everyone else chased him around trying to beat him up. I probably should have shut that one down, but I didn't. Watching it was too cathartic.
OptimisticNihilistt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol that's awesome
OldeGeezer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our country's culture has been set back decades.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like cowboys and Indians?
0sama_BinLaggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should have done it with red rover. It is a bit more fitting.
son_of_clem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats actually kind of perfect, because once immigrants turn into 'Americans' they start to hate new immigrants.
Sysiphuslove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Clone Wars begin
sarabjorks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This somehow reminds me. I was working at an after-school center for elementary school kids. This was in Iceland at the time of the economical crisis, and everyone was pissed off at our prime minister Davรญรฐ Oddsson. The kids picked it up and had a protest game shouting "Down with David".
The problem was, we had this Polish kid who had ADHD and wasn't quite fluent in Icelandic yet, let alone knew what was happening in Icelandic politics. His name was David. He was not happy.
Had to shut down that game pretty fast ...
BeefermansQueef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get 'em!
otofish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, my 5th graders stopped playing "Infection" in favor of "Trump Supporter".
AweBlobfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my school we had sharks and seaweeds.
DrMambo85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sharks and minnows? You mean cowboys and Indians? Or cops and robbers?
lobodelrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually pretty funny. I'm gonna suggest that to my younger cousins next time I see them. We're mexican so it's not as bad as it sounds lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh jeez
mylies43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At church camp we once changed hide and seek tag to Jews and Nazis.
ScottieScrotumScum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's ingenious for such minds. What a comparison!!!
71NZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in Lower NY by chance?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I blame the media for this. Trump's issue is with illegal immigration, not Mexicans. But thanks to the media it's been construed (and almost exclusively touted) as "Trump hates Mexicans".
I must warn you, however, I get off on downvotes.
doyouremembah ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry he did that to your youth.
AmazonExplorer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The next generations is gonna be great, I'm so proud!
KingRat1031 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had a Nazis & jews version of cops and robbers in my elementary
ian8288 ยท 1301 points ยท Posted at 15:58:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach middle school in a very high (90%) Hispanic area where many of the parents are here illegally. I haven't met a single student who actually likes Trump yet. I think they are scared that if he gets elected their families will be deported. Although they joke about the wall a bunch.
marf67 ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 19:19:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also teach middle school in Hispanic area. They despise Trump and make tons of wall jokes, too. They call Trump a bigot and bully...in English.
bigo0723 ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 21:41:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it hilarious that Donald Trump has killed any chance of Hispanics and Latinos voting Republican for the next three or five generations. Republicans were ready to start addressing Hispanic and Latinos, especially Mexicans, for this election. As a Mexican American myself, it's not unlikely to me that Hispanic and Latinos have the capacity to vote Republican in the future. A good portion of Hispanics and Latinos have conservative leanings in areas (they are very religious, they have strong work ethic, and they have a belief in traditional family values). Ronald Reagan was somewhat right when he said that 'Latinos are Republicans, they just don't know it yet.'
The reason the majority of Hispanics and Latinos vote Democrat is because of immigration and workers rights (this is actually a huge issue for Hispanics and Latinos that no one really talks about, everyone talks immigration but no talks about the fact that working conditions are a very large and direct part of their lives, but that would mean we would have to talk about worker's rights).
All Republicans had to really do was wait until Hispanics and Latinos established them in America before trying to convert them into Republicans as well, targeting their family and religious values.
Donald Trump fucked that up. No, he didn't just fuck it up, he ended up insulting America's largest growing demographic, a demographic that not only holds grudges, but in the future will be a demographic you need to in order to win the Presidency.
The moment he said rapist was the moment he singlehandedly undone years of Republicans trying to connect with minority voters. Barry Goldwater fucked up the black vote by supporting segregation, and African Americans have been voting Democrat ever since. Donald Trump has Goldwater-ed the Hispanic and Latino vote.
wanderlustlost ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 22:17:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to upvote this to the max. My grandmother was a loyal Republican her whole life. I've never met anyone more devoted to the party even my grandfather (her husband) who was a state Senator, she was just as devoted to the party as he was.
She was also a Mexican American and I honestly think if she had been alive to hear that speech Trump gave it would have broken her. She devoted so much to the country and to the party while at the same time struggling to fit in with white American society and pretending (when she could) not to be Mexican at all. It was heartbreaking to watch but she did it because she knew what bigotry felt like and didn't want us to experience what she experienced.
If I could I would kick Trump right in the balls in her memory. It breaks my heart thinking of her and her fight and what Trump has done to Latino Americans in his short campaign.
Honestly if he is elected I am not going home (I live abroad) until he is gone.
bigo0723 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 22:35:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was that speech a while ago he gave after being accused of going soft on immigration where he got extremely aggressive on his position on illegal immigration, and I remember reading how a bunch of Hispanic and Latino supporters felt like he was personally attacking them and ended up saying they wouldn't vote for him.
Donald Trump has started a movement, alright. The biggest movement of Hispanic and Latino voters in history to vote Democrat.
wanderlustlost ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:19:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually have said more or less what I said above to a Trump supporter I met while travelling and he laughed and said "well, she probably shouldn't even have been here in the first place so I doubt her opinion would have mattered anyway" (or something like that) and then went on to say I should probably have my citizenship revoked too and that Trump would sort it all out. I too feel like Trump is targeting Hispanic/Latinx Americans and so are his supporters.
DocWattz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:48:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm pretty sure his purpose is not to actually get elected, but to force rational people to vote Hillary. I'm not convinced that he's a real candidate, its too crazy to believe.
wanderlustlost ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:16:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly I'm afraid he's all too real. Like that time during the whole "Chicken of the Sea: Chicken or Fish?" debate when my mum claimed Jessica Simpson couldn't possibly be that stupid, nobody could possibly be that stupid, she had made too much money to be that stupid. But then, you know, she was. We don't want to admit that people are capable of living without doing any critical thinking but they really can. Unfortunately it's all too real.
lemonadefairy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:14:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that is an excellent comparison. i was in 7th grade when that happened and my mom, sisters, and me (girl) thought the same thing as your mom. "dumb blondes" will never die...
wanderlustlost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mum went so far as to claim she pretended to be stupid for publicity because nobody could be that stupid.
lemonadefairy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:09 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh, that's what i was saying too! sorry that wasn't more clear haha
bigo0723 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:50:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have spent enough time seeing his supporters online to not think Trump and his supporters aren't serious.
bigsexy63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you watches this season of southpark. It's pretty epic. I'm not a big southpark fan, but this season is awesome.
ClydeOrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ONLY way voting for Hillary is at all rational is to prevent Trump from winning. I think Trump's purpose is to get people to vote 3rd party.
hwarming ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he is a bowel movement
nexusbees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unrelated to your comment, but could you tell me the distinction between the terms Hispanic and Latino? I thought they were synonymous.
Juan_el_Rey ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:10:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was pretty sure I was willing to at least consider the possibility of voting Republican this year. And then Trump came along, I moved to Veracruz, and now I'm not voting.
My dad's in the same boat. He's not Hispanic or Latino, but being Portuguese, he shares the same values as they do. The last time I talked to him, he told me he hated having to vote for something he didn't believe in (the Democrat's platform) just to, as he put it, 'avoid America's Salazar'.
(Although, I think that's a bit unfair to Salazar.)
My Spanish mother will be voting for Trump. She's married to a very rich man, so she's got hers and fuck everyone else. The rest of her family is appalled. Our Passover seder was soooo awkward this year...
toastbutteryum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:20:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to buy you a drink and listen to you untangle your family tree.
Juan_el_Rey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:55:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it's not super complicated. My grandparents left Valencia for Mexico during the Franco years. My grandma divorced my biological grandfather and remarried a Mexican (my mom's dad was an alcoholic, and physically abusive). They later divorced. My grandma moved with my mom and aunt to Georgia.
My dad is from Lisbon (but his mother was from Morocco; she died before I was born). He met my mom not long after he moved to America. She got pregnant with me, and they married. Idk if she ever really loved him, but she had two more kids with him. Eventually, though, they divorced, and my mom married a rich man in Buckhead, Atlanta.
My dad eventually got his sisters to move to America (Portugal's struggled economically, to say the least) and they married American men.
And, both of my parents and their families are Jewish, so family ties are uber important (if they weren't already important enough from the whole Hispanic-Latin side). One of my cousins made Aliyah to Israel, where he lives with his quasi-husband.
tl;dr: Juan's family is like the internet: Jewish and everywhere.
leyebrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if it all works the same way in the states, but instead of not voting, you should spoil your ballot if you're trying to send a message
Juan_el_Rey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:21:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm not a US citizen anymore, which is why I'm not voting. This was the first presidential election I was eligible for, so idk if invalidating the ballot works here. Most states have write-ins, and people use that in the same way Australians protest by drawing an X over the ballot or whatever, but it wouldn't have an affect.
leyebrow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:24:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well those spoiled ballots are counted during the tallying of votes and are represented as a figure. Like they'll say X amount of votes for democrat, x amount of votes for republican, X amount of votes for whatever other political parties, and X spoiled ballots. Not voting's typically seen as you don't care enough to make the effort, but making the effort to go vote and spoil the ballot is a tangible protest against the available candidates in the election and the numbers are talked about.
Juan_el_Rey ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:33:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but for a presidential election in the US that wouldn't happen because 'we' don't vote for the president. The electoral college does that. So, a spoiled ballot doesn't have a real effect. If Republicans win, say, Florida, a spoiled ballot is in the same pile as the Democrat ballots--that is to say, the loser pile.
This is part of why this election is sucks right now. The electoral college is essentially immune, and there's no real way to protest. Even if no one voted, iirc, they could still cast their electoral votes to elect a president.
SeenSoFar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you renounced your US citizenship on principle and moved to Mexico? Holy shit dude my hat goes off to you! High five! Did you already have Mexican citizenship or are you now sort of in limbo?
2019 will be the first year I'm eligible to vote in my new country (South Africa) and I'm looking forward to it. It must have been disappointing to have to make the choice to give that up, but good on you for sticking to your principles!
Juan_el_Rey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it's wasn't so much of on principle. I more-or-less got kicked out of the army, and I don't know about South Africa, but in the US that kind of record can make it extremely hard to get a job. Employers consider you 'dirty', and I wasn't going to deal with the possibility of a shitty future. I said fuck it, moved to Mexico, and renounced my citizenship not long after.
I was a dual Spanish-American citizen, and I will never give up my Spanish citizenship. Thankfully, Latin American countries view Spain as a sister nation, so to speak, and it's a little easier for me to get visas and such.
SeenSoFar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Either way I think you made the right decision. You are probably avoiding a lot of chaos. Just out of curiosity though, why Mexico instead of Spain, or Chile, or Uruguay, or any other place you could have gone? Not that I have anything against Mexico, I considered going there myself before I moved to South Africa, but I'm just curious what pushed your decision to Mexico when you had a wide variety of options.
In South Africa, if someone was kicked out of the SANDF I think they just wouldn't tell employers about it. In Africa it's easier to get away with stuff lol.
Juan_el_Rey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because I have family in Mexico, I love the food, Veracruz is beautiful, and I was familiar with it. I've never been to Chile or Uruguay, and although I obviously speak Spanish and have the necessary cultural background to fit in, I needed to recover from my world being shattered. The army filled an enormous void in my life and I'm still trying to figure out where to go from here. Mexico just seemed like the best place to do it. Tacos, mezcal, and the beach (not to mention Mexico's historical sites) are helping. And it helps Mexican guys are pretty good looking...
The cost of living is also significantly cheaper. Yes, Mexico has problems, but economically it's Latin America's powerhouse right now. The standard of living isn't bad here, and the drug violence and corruption isn't quite like Man on Fire.
In Spain, the youth unemployment rate is like 25%, and my savings won't go nearly as far as they will here. Once I recover, I'll need a job. I could go to Brazil (My dad's Portuguese and I speak it with native fluency) but I'm illiterate in Portuguese lol. I've been to Peru and Argentina, and I may explore the option later of going there (or to Chile or Uruguay) but now isn't the time.
SeenSoFar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right on, I wasn't criticising your decision, I was just curious. Thanks so much for sharing, I really appreciate it, genuinely. I'm glad things are going well for you there.
Your reasons for moving to there are similar to my reasons for moving to South Africa. Not so much in the specifics but the broad strokes. I invite you to come visit Cape Town some time if you want a good holiday, I'd be happy to take you around. You'd probably feel quite at home here, it parallels Mexico in many ways, good and bad.
franmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's weird I could have sworn they didn't like people from Spain
Juan_el_Rey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think that?
franmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:30 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
history
Juan_el_Rey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:00 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't the 19th century. People move on. The Spanish-American War led to Latin America and Spain coming closer, since it was an alternative to increasing American influence.
Franco, for example, refused to break ties with Castro, despite Franco hating communists. Today, the Ibero-American Summit takes place every year.
franmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:03 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People hold grudges
leyebrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does the media not announce number of spoiled ballots?
Juan_el_Rey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I've ever heard in my 8 years following US politics.
CthulhuHatesChumpits ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:44:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the Republicans were already trying to sway Latino voters by putting Cruz, Rubio and Jeb in the primaries.
bigo0723 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why Jeb? Is he known for his relationship with Hispanics and Latinos?
waiv ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:55:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know that his wife is Mexican, right? The whole Bush family is rather close to hispanics.
bigo0723 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:56:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, didn't know that. He got knocked out so early that I didn't really look into him.
CthulhuHatesChumpits ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:57:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_Bush
bigo0723 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, cool.
mosaicblur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:23:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's good because I have been wondering why the hell Republicans havent figured out they need to be courting latinos. I bet Tim Kaine's spanish fluency probably tipped him over for the vp slot.
HueyHitlerNoRelation ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 01:09:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My family is from Mexico. My Dad was Republican. All my uncles are Republican. I voted for Romney last election out of devotion to the Republican Party. I reregistered as a Democrat this year.
ooofest ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:44:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet, Trump isn't saying much new that the current crop of Republicans hasn't already said in other forms (both in public speaking and legislative sessions).
Trump is blatantly exposing the horrid, exclusive values that the Republican party has devolved into representing - they have dog-whistled and outright degraded PoC in the USA and those trying to enter this country for decades. Fear-mongering the white vote for their base, then claiming that Democrats will take away your guns, wages, etc. and give them to "other" people (who are always implied as PoC who happen to be poor - many conservatives, regardless of their positions in society, don't identify themselves in those groups).
In our local county, both major parties have been similarly moderate and somewhat corrupt. We've lived with it, because it generally worked, but have been getting more than a bit fed up with the pork. Yet recently, we now have an entirely corrupt Democratic town supervisor and an even worse Teabagger in another town which is our county's seat - the latter has quickly abused his role to replace anyone and everyone he can't already control in town government (including the police hierarchy). While we can handle the corrupt Democrat, the Teabagger is literally destroying all semblance of public office roles, checks and balances and even expectation of basic services for public needs in our town . . . yet, people are still voting for his chosen compatriots because his lies about being up-front are up there with wild Trumpisms and our right-wing voters still can't fathom that a Republican in this county would ever be terribly extreme.
bigo0723 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:58:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember a post a while back saying that Republicans can't really compete with Trump because he's only saying what they believe but in more vitriolic terms. It's hard to call him a racist when you support the same wall he plans on building. Look at the debates, they don't attack him on his policys, they attack him on his behavior and actions.
ClydeOrange ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, there's been almost no attacking on either side on policies since it got narrowed down to Hillary or Trump.
I'm a Republican, and I don't support building a wall. It's just too expensive. It's a really tough question to crack though. Illegal immigration is not ok, but what do we do about it? Building a huge wall doesn't seem like a good idea, but it's also not good to let people just walk right in. A chain link fence doesn't stop anything, and border patrol is not very good. So do we just leave the border wide open? That's just stupid, so we can't do that. Do we deport all of the illegal immigrants? Well, that would be massively expensive and be a humanitarian issue in a lot of cases.
Looking at the options available, I don't see a good one. Maybe just have better border security. Stop it, or at least minimize it, at the source.
I'm not convinced he's not a racist, but I'm also not convinced he is. He's never been caught using the N-word or other racial slurs. Although emotionally it's hard for a lot of people to separate, any and all bad things that have supposedly been said about Mexicans have been directed wholly at illegal immigrants. He talks about improving the school systems in inner city areas, which would be great. "Muslim" is not a race, so any negative comments he's had about Islam are not racist.
He's an ass (or at least his public persona is), and I'll not be voting for him, but I do think a lot of the criticisms about him have been unfair and false.
bigo0723 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, although I wouldn't put it past Trump that he hasn't said the n-word. Apparently the producers on The Apprentice have said that they have worse tapes then the one that came out with Billy Bush. A few people who worked on the show have come out and said that it apparently involves race.
I'm not saying he's a racist, but Trump has repeatedly stuck his foot in his mouth so many times that I doubt he has the right temperament for Presidency.
ClydeOrange ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right he probably doesn't have the right temperament, but damn the first lady, the horrible things she said, when she just snapped at people for no reason, she is a piece of s***. I can't believe it, but I'm voting third-party this election because I hate them both so much
ClydeOrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Hillary did say that the Supreme Court got it wrong on the 2nd Amendment, referring to D.C. vs Heller.
Here is the problem with Clintonโs belief that Heller was โwrongly decidedโ because it prohibited states from making โcommon sense laws to keep their residents safeโ: It is a lie. Heller prohibited no such thing: In fact, in the courtโs majority opinion on Heller, the late Antonin Scalia explicitly allows that the Second Amendment is perfectly compatible with laws meant to keep residents safe from harm. โLike most rights,โ Scalia wrote, โthe Second Amendment right is not unlimited.โ Among the regulations permissible under Heller, according to Scalia, were โlaws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms,โ such as laws meant to protect public safety by keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals.
Who? Yes, there are some bad apples, just like there are some racist folks on the Democrat side, but as a party, as a set of ideals, no. There's nothing wrong with wanting to prevent illegal immigration, regardless of where they come from.
It's convenient to lump all or most Republicans together, but in my personal opinion, Republican ideals would be much better for the country as a whole and for "PoC". As a Republican, I personally LOVE people trying to enter this country legally.
ooofest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:59 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was the VP of our College Republican chapter and am reasonably aware of many stripes called "political conservatism" involved in our country, today. Most have been thrown by the wayside at all levels of politics in the Republican party, of course. Regardless, I was a programmed True Believer who didn't see how blind my inherent biases were - because, we were not taught to think critically about our group's beliefs, merely to inflict them upon others due to their inherent correctness. I got better.
So, when I lump in a Reddit comment, it's with a purpose and associated context.
I happen to find agreement with Clinton's Heller summary - it was a ridiculously convenient reinvention of every-person-for-themself as a re-purpose for the 2nd Amendment without involving its full text or history, e.g., https://www.cato-unbound.org/2008/07/29/dennis-henigan/heller-majority-wrong-unprincipled . So what, though?
More to the important point, whitewashing the constant dog-whistling that Republican representatives and their loudest voting blocks use towards black people, Latinos, Muslims (and LBGTQ folk, women, etc.) through an obfuscatory point about immigration laws won't work with a former Republican - misdirection and narrowing the focus of a point to make it meaningless was our stock and trade. Much of this election is about bringing such dog-whistles into the light due to Trump's inherent style - i.e., he's the same as other Republican candidates for President, just far more obvious in public.
ClydeOrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:14 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand my position well.
Trump is a piece of shit. Hillary is more of a piece of shit.
The Republican party and their political tactics are garbage. The Democrat party and their political tactics are more shitty.
So you used to be a Republican, and it took you many years to realize drinking straight from the Kool-Aid was wrong. I suspect it'll take you just as long, if not longer, to see how much worse the Democrat side is the closer you get to it...assuming your views are in favor of Democrats and Hillary.
ooofest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:29 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't agree at all.
Clinton is just a neoliberal, warhawk centrist.
Trump is all that . . . plus, all the other baggage Republicans have been pushing since Reagan. And, he doesn't understand that the Constitution enables an Executive role, rather than a Ruler. Or, he simply doesn't care. Plus, he enables the worst elements of our society to feel enabled in their continued harassment of innocent non-white, male demographics.
ClydeOrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:38 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clinton is a straight up criminal.
The email server to begin with...
Deleting the emails AFTER a subpoena...
Lying about the emails...
Hiring people to go to Trump rallies to start fights...
Pay-for-play with the Clinton Foundation...
Insider trading to make $98,000 profit in 9 months off of a $1,000 investment...
Those are just the things that she should be in jail for. That excludes the things that just make her a shitty person. Her role in Benghazi, her getting fired from the staff of the House Judiciary committee investigating Watergate because she was too dishonest and unethical, her just flat out lying about arriving under sniper fire, her yelling at and berating Secret Service for looking at her, her flipping her political ideals to whatever is popular at the moment (marriage, abortion, etc), and so much more.
BubbleFaceMcTitties ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:09:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents came here illegally in the 70s. Studied to become citizens. Opened a business. Got licensed for construction. This whole time they were Republicans because of their economic beliefs. No handouts, always work hard and Catholicism. Trump made them Democrats in their old age.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very important point
mosaicblur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:19:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hispanics and Latino are a necessary demographic in order to win the presidency NOW. They are pretty much the reason why Republicans have no chance of winning for the foreseeable future. Black and white splits pretty predictably with the only wild card being which way the majority of white women will lean. If Romney would have won over latinos he probably could have won.
I am glad to hear that latino Americans aren't happy about what the republicans are doing because they seem to be a demographic that could be easily swayed to vote against their interests - I agree with you that it would be a super easy conversion based on religious and family values.
Apkoha ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:37:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well good thing you can give those "needy latino" votes to the dems now.
aggie1391 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:56:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm a sub in heavily Hispanic middle and high schools. They all hate him, even those with no undocumented people in their family. They know it would realistically mean Hispanic people period would be targeted even with no evidence of wrongdoing. And of course those who are citizens with undocumented parents are scared because Trump denies birthright citizenship, which is of course clearly established in the 14th Amendment.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 23:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Every member of my family is an American citizen, my parents are naturalized having immigrated from Mexico many years ago and we all speak fluent English. Yet, we've still managed to feel the racism that has emanated from the Trump campaign here in the bible belt. We've lived in this particular state for about 10 years, yet it's never been a problem before. Luckily it's never been anything too harsh or violent, and they seem to be in the minority of people here. But it's a disappointing thing to experience.
ian8288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I'm not saying all of their parents are illegals, but it is assumed that some of their parents are (they make jokes or parents never come to conferences/return calls from the school). They just all know that it could impact them and they dislike seeing someone be openly racist towards their culture.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:56:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:55:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's incredible how he is a symbol of hatred all over the world.
Lossa ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:21:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach at a relatively diverse Catholic school in a red state, and many Hispanic students openly stated that Trump was racist.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:55:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is a racist.
ian8288 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:27:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, repeatedly so in my district as well.
BrownBirdDiaries ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:47:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By and large, would you say it's a difficult school? I'm just curious. I was absent from my home county for 22 years and came back after a long career as a freelance writer and wanted to teach. (Did not want to in Memphis. No. Way). There are surprisingly few Hispanic kids in our schools. Those that I have are never, ever any trouble.
I'm just wondering if you have an offset of poverty that makes teaching difficult. Does that make sense?
ian8288 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is definitely a difficult school in some aspects. My first year was terrible, and the learning curve was rough, but I actually feel like I'm making a difference and have loved every minute of it after that first year.
My whole school / district is on free or reduced lunch, so yes, there is a lot of poverty. In some ways, it does make the teaching tough. Some kids dont have food or supplies, and I end up spending lots of time and money on the students who don't, but again, it is extremely rewarding.
shagsterz ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:58:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they should be.
Quantum_Ibis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:34:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they're criminals, at least. The policy focus now would be on deporting the 1-2 million most significant criminal illegal immigrants, which is actually in line with what Obama claims to want. Obama, for the record, has deported ~3 million.
shagsterz ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:40:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a criminal act to enter the USA illegally.
Quantum_Ibis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:44:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but Trump has shifted from saying all illegal immigrants must be deported, to prioritizing those who have committed crimes once here. That's his current position.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:50:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only he established his position on other more important issues rather than rant all the time. His latest rant is rigged elections and drug tests for debates. He lacks focus and a clear message about what he'll do as president other than the illegal immigration topic.
Quantum_Ibis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, his narcissism has doomed his campaign. The only chance he has at winning now is if there's a major terror attack, a Clinton health collapse, or a WikiLeaks release that really sticks and shapes the discussion.
mjmannella ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
Quantum_Ibis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha.
mjmannella ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:28:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No seriously. Until his doctor confirms it, it isn't true.
Quantum_Ibis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is an extraordinary narcissist. I say this as someone who has a 0% chance of voting for Clinton.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it confirmed by his doctor?
WraithSama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a narcissistic asshole doesn't require having a doctor diagnose you with narcissistic personality disorder.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is a narcissistic douche. Even if his doctor diagnosed him with it no one will ever see it. It's none of your business to be honest. But it doesn't matter the main reason I won't vote for him is because he talks about issues that don't matter. His latest is getting mad at a snl skit. Who cares omg. He might have positions worth talking about but I'm not going to dig them up for him. He should talk about them. All I hear from him is the wall, emails, I can fight isis, oh and make America great again whatever that means. Personality aside he stands for nothing and is a weak candidate.
ian8288 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand/sort of agree, but it makes it tough to see my American-born students scared to think of the possibility of their parents being sent back to mexico.
liverSpool ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They shouldn't have to be afraid though.
Neil_Anblomi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:48:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because they should self-deport if they are there illegally. Wouldn't need to be afraid then.
liverSpool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they can crash at my place tbh
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 20:47:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Pinkanimelover ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:58:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't aware a childs fear of losing their family is on the same wavelength as a person taking the life of another and being afraid of retribution.
NotC9_JustHigh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:27:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To the nutcase you replied to it's the same, that 10 yr old too hirs jerb.
funfwf ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:46:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he took his jerb? ๐ข
notle ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:49:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah there tough guy. Really sticking it to those middle school kids.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:49:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Alexkarino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are ways to get in the US legally. Their families just chose not to. Blame the parents. Not the law.
quieres_pelear ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:41:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're woefully ignorant of the world, friend.
Alexkarino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I'm ignorant. My family is mexican and my grandparents got into the country illegally and had my dad. I'm happy that I was born a U.S citizen and I'm happy that I'm able to have a good life here. But I do think that my grandparents should have looked for ways to legally immigrate rather than illegally. Illegal immigrants really do hurt the country (the ones that don't stay here that is).
captainolivia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend's mom crossed the border from Juarez when hundreds of people were dying every day, her husband was an abusive molester asshole, and when she was driving in the car, a police officer fired at their car and the passenger's brains splattered all over the dash and her children in the back. Now they live in a domestic violence shelter, and almost all are citizens. Not my best friend, who really needs it for college scholarship reasons. She can't get them, despite being a 3.75 student, amazing singer, and hard worker.
But yeah, but who immigrate illegally. They're just here to take our jobs and not pay taxes and live the high life selling drugs!!
mouseburgers ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean crossing an imaginary line we made up is a little different than murder. But I get your point.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you were born in the US so you deserve to live safely but they don't? Blind.
KenpoSade ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indio?
CanadianAstronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should get deported... they are in the country ILLEGALLY.
hitops1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a crazy reality we live in. You're telling if my parents break a law I might be afraid they might be prosecuted for breaking that law? What next?
nateofficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm, people who aren't here legally are scared about getting deported. HHHMMMMMM.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It will be a lot less funny when their families are on the other side of it.
Edit: Downvoted for not supporting illegal immigrants lol.
ian8288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think its healthy for middle school students to be able to joke about it. However, whenever we are talking about the elections or politics, you can tell that there are some students who are scared about the possibility of him actually being elected.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 19:06:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So criminals are afraid of experiencing consequences.
Venne1138 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:57:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah those criminal legally American kids being scared their parents might be sent away. I mean we should probably send the kids with them but that's not legal but who really cares.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their parents came in illegally...
Venne1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and the kids didn't. If they were born here they're here legally. That's how it works.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then the parents would just have to go back to Mexico.
Venne1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:45:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that sounds like a great idea. I too would like to send 4.5 million children to an already failing foster system.
I mean we could just like toss them into the sea or something if they're too young to swim and that would take care of it?
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tough luck.
Maybe their parents should've realized that preforming criminal activity was bad before they fucked.
Venne1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:12:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah those kids really should have chosen better than to be born.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point.
The parents of the children should've been smart and banged without the burden of entering a country illegally. That way, their children wouldn't be screwed.
Venne1138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you're not punishing the parents you're punishing the kids who didn't do anything wrong. Hell you're punishing us by stressing the system even more.
Unless you think that familial punishment should be a thing what you're advocating makes absolutely no sense .
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then we can just jail the parents so they can reflect on their poor actions. That, or mabye sign any paperwork necessary to re-enter legally.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their parents committed the crime. Not the kids.
Arguably, many have said that anchor babies should not be a thing, and they're not truly American children. It's a legal ploy exploited by criminals.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even joking, I don't know what you're getting at.
Legal experts and politicians have argued that a child is not necessarily a citizen simply because he/she was born here. This was neither the intent or a reasonable interpretation of the Constitution.
It's a strong argument, and it would close the loophole of illegal immigrants sneaking across and making anchor babies in order to stay.
ALTSuzzxingcoh ยท -209 points ยท Posted at 17:42:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boo-hoo at their illegal parents then. I guess borders and laws just exist as a joke? It's sad, really, because he is an asshole, but so are people demanding that illegals remain. So you kind of have to defend an asshole from other assholes. And of course this is the very reason people like trump are successful in certain areas, illegal mexicans. But nah, they're surely all racists.
[deleted] ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 18:33:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I wasn't the son of illegal immigrants I would have an easier time thinking like you do. Yes I understand that illegals break the law coming here but fuck, it's either that or be dirt poor in Mexico. I've seen and heard of the conditions my parents grew up in and I know that anyone in that position would do the exact same thing. And I'm forever grateful that they did because now I'm a legal born-and-raised American and I won the fucking lottery just being born here.
Moskeeto93 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 19:35:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. People talk about illegal immigrants as if they aren't human beings. People like Trump and his followers even want to get rid of birthright citizenship. I can't imagine what it would be like to lose my citizenship of the only country I've ever known. My mom came here illegally when she was 11 so this is her country too especially ever since she got her citizenship. We don't want to see this country we love become what Trump envisions. We've already made sure to vote against him thanks to California's mail-in ballots.
Quantum_Ibis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about illegal immigrants who commit crimes, or have only been here a few years? If someone is assimilated and speaking English, that's one thing--but if they can speak Spanish fluently, and one of their parents committed a serious crime? I would be fine with deporting that parent and recommending the entire family go, so the child has both parents.
Latin American families matter, but equally so do other families.. and the rule of law.
Neil_Anblomi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
European here. Not a single member state of the Euroepan Union has birthright citizenship (= ius soli) because it is insane. You incentivize people to enter countries illegally and when they are to be rightfully deported, children are torn from their families, or the law is not abidided because people feel guilty to enforce it.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 20:43:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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dl_man_71 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:26:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the greatest things about the United States is that being born in the United States, no matter the circumstances, gives you citizenship. I am always baffled and slightly horrified that people want to give up one of the foundational principles of the United States so willingly.
raginwriter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your nuts our laws are only here for a time. It will all crumble one day.
intentsman ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:08:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just deport the parents. Family Values , republican style
Neil_Anblomi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if they didn't let the children stay as well you would claim that they even deport babies. Come on.
ian8288 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said! =)
3qr4i ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am no xenophobe but illegally migrating makes a person a criminal. You being grateful to your parents is not far off from the analogy of a child of mobsters who grew up in slums being grateful to his. There are people who flee far worse, who flee the slaughter and rape of war, of famines where they can't even find rats to eat, who are impeded from entering as refugees because the system is already buckled under by illegal migrants.
It isn't fair to those who are really in life-or-death situations, and it isn't fair to the citizens who pay for the infrastructure and see their communities eroded. A bunch of people coming in illegally, who cannot work or rent legally, obviously is going to create a bunch of other illegal crap. It's just far more bad than good.
Sure, the US might need cheap labour and illegals are good, productive people, but then the laws need to change, and ironically the illegals totally prevent that from happening.
babsa90 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:30:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile people from all over the world in dire circumstances are denied entry to our country. So we should take in Central Americans indiscriminately and give those that have already illegally emigrated here citizenship? There's a quota to the amount of migrants we take in, but for some reason it's not considered racist to give such a huge advantage to immigrants from one geographic location.
Memoryautofill ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 18:31:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can only hope that if you end up needing to run away from a bad situation, you encounter the same sort of hospitality you advocate here.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:47:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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BurpWallace ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:01:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people aren't nearly as interested in sustainable or practical policies as they are in having someone they allow each other to feel good about hurting.
robertx33 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:50:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather legal immigration was made easier than allowing some illegals in because feels
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's working out so well for the European countries that are trying it...
iongantas ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be fine if immigrants, illegal or otherwise, were interested in integrating. In my experience, they are not. They are interested in moving here, bringing in their third world culture, and insisting everyone else pay homage to it.
WolfingMaldo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because you're fucking stupid
iongantas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:49 on November 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't follow, even if it were true.
dl_man_71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Did your grandparents or great-parents (or however far back if you're not of American Indian descent) not integrate well? Sometimes it takes a couple generations, but America is the world champion of integrating immigrants.
mustdashgaming ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:07:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like being a climate refuge that will happen the the majority of people in the southern coastal areas and the south west?
santaclaus73 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Running away from a bad situation and seeking asylum from war is one thing. Ruining your own country and then illegally sneaking into another is something else entirely.
SeeShark ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 18:14:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that they're breaking the law and I think it's weird everybody acts like there's literally nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, when there are people breaking the law and screwing over millions just to buy a third yacht, it's hard for me to get angry at the people breaking the law and screwing over a lot fewer people to provide food for their family.
eiketsujinketsu ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:12:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And not too many people are mad at people breaking the law by smoking weed. Some laws are wrong.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:29:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Border control is wrong? Jesus Christ you people are dangerously naive.
Pinkanimelover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally no one said that. Did you read the comment properly?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:28:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what he implied. Look at his other comments here for more evidence.
He's saying "some laws are wrong" in context of a conversation talking about illegal immigration. You are aware a ton of delusional people on the Left want open borders right?
dl_man_71 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it breaking the law? Yes. Do I fault these people for doing whatever they could to make their lives and their children's' lives better? Not at all. Border control is important security-wise, but if someone's been here long enough to raise a family and contribute then kicking them out is counter-productive to the point of insanity.
ALTSuzzxingcoh ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I'd incarcerate shifty billionaires just as much as deport mexicans. But I would do both.
hasbro123 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 18:06:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are people looking for a better life, and going back would be rough, so it makes sense that they are scared. It doesn't make what they are doing right by our law. At the same time, America has always been about immigrants who build their lives here. Mostly white immigrants, but our history is full of people of different ethnicities and their struggles.
There may be other solutions that just deporting them (which would be incredibly difficult and would take a very long time). There are probably several ways to approach this problem, maybe some are realistic and more fair to everyone. I certainly understand some of the opposing sides' concerns.
TheDemonicEmperor ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:28:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing, though. I've found it's actually some of the older immigrants that agree with Trump, especially those who had to cross the ocean to get here.
Granted, I don't think there's any living "Ellis Island" immigrants anymore, but these people still had to jump through hoops to get to America. So, to them, it's like a slap in the face when someone comes here illegally. It's not easier by any stretch to come here illegally, but there's still that argument of "why did I have to get all these legal documents just to step foot in America while these people just had to hop the border?"
Panchotevilla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:17:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you really think that illegal immigrants are just too lazy to "get all these legal documents" and say "nah, I think I'll just risk my life crossing the border and say goodbye to my family and friends without knowing if I'll ever see them again"? The reason illegal immigrants don't go to the back of the line is because for them there is no line.
babsa90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same line that poor people from third world countries are in. The idea that Central Americans are specifically ignored as opposed to every other geographic location is ignorant.
Panchotevilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong, and need to read more. Some people from poor countries qualify as refugees if they suffer persecution in their countries. An Honduran or Mexican person wouldn't qualify for asylum. Besides, the US government issues 50,000 visas every year through a lottery and countries like Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, etc are excluded from that lottery.
babsa90 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:10:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No, I am not wrong. Central Americans are not the only ones excluded from the visa lottery, so the countries you listed absolutely fall in the same line as many other countries (some of which are as impoverished, if not moreso). However, that doesn't fit the narrative you are trying to push, so you didn't list them. They include: Bangladesh, Philippines, Vietnam, China, Dominican Republic, South Korea, United Kingdom, India, Jamaica, Ecuador, Peru, Pakistan, and the list goes on. So, perhaps it is you that should read more.
EDIT: I also wanted to clarify something. There is a reason these countries are excluded from the visa lottery, and that reason is due to the U.S. receiving at least 50,000 migrants from those countries listed in the past five years. So don't fucking try to push this narrative that Central Americans are somehow blacklisted from entry.
Panchotevilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You don't even understand what I'm trying to tell you. An Honduran (or Mexican, why are you obsessed with Central America today?)will never have a chance to come to the US legally. Other countries, as poor as they might be, are going thorough social unrest and/or tyranny and they can apply for asylum to the US (did you read the part of my comment where I mention persecution?). And yes, Mexico and other Central American countries ate excluded for the visa lottery due to the high volume of visas issued to those countries every year. However, those visas are issued on the basis of parental citizenship (i.e. If your one of your parents is an American citizen) , or your espouse is an American citizen, or you invest 500,000 dollars. So, for the love of god stop making statements about what you don't have a clue.
Edit: I just happened yo notice that you included South Korea and the UK in your list. I'm assuming it was an innocent Aleppo moment but ai find it ironic given that you are accusing me of being ignorant.
babsa90 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, no wai, UK isn't a country? Oh my god, please educate me more with your expansive knowledge of the universe. In the mean time, here is something to read:
"Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, China (mainland-born), Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, South Korea, United Kingdom (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and Vietnam."
https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/DV-2016-Instructions-Translations/DV_2016_Instructions_English.pdf
So you are telling me that literally every country listed is going through unrest and its inhabitants can apply for asylum? Really? Is that what you are telling me? Take another look at the list and tell me that again.
You don't know what you are talking about, carry on.
Panchotevilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Please, educate me more", nah, waste of time.
babsa90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, you got nothing then, thanks for playing.
Buck_wild654 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:33:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny how people like you just pick and choose which laws you think are relevant and need to be applied.
unhappychance ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:37:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a democracy. Any citizen who doesn't have opinions about which laws should and shouldn't exist is neglecting an important responsibility.
TehArkhamKniggit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bad laws can and should be broken, but we have most laws for a legitimate reason. I don't think people should just be able to jump the border and then get rewarded for doing so by getting citizenship and having all the benefits of being an Americans citizen just because they have kids. Other people have to do tons of paperwork, and save up money and work hard to be able to come to America and have a better life, and illegal immigrants just have to jump over the border. While I do feel for the kids, who's irresponsible parents put them in this shitty position right now, I still think they should be punished for being illegal immigrants. Deporting them wouldn't be the best idea because we still need them for cheap labor.
FoxSanjuro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to disagree with you, but thenI saw your username. I just can't now lol
TehArkhamKniggit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its just my opinion anyways. Its not like its more legitimate than any other opinion by any other person.
FoxSanjuro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the way you think :)
BurpWallace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between working hard and saving up to coming here legally than just coming here illegally. Immigrants work hard and wait a long time to be approved to come to the United States. Illegal immigrants just crossed the border and demand to be treated like legal immigrants, even though they did jack-shit to earn it.
It is pretty insulting to the hard working people who made sacrifices to get here legally to even try to play the sympathy card with these criminals.
Panchotevilla ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You obviously don't know anything about the immigration laws of the US. Illegal immigrants come illegally because there's no legal path for them, no matter how hard they work or how long they wait. Any person who immigrates to the US legally is more privileged than hard working.
Costco1L ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:24:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of us in the US come from immigrants who did not have to wait or even apply to come to the US...and we still have plenty of space.
santaclaus73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We came from immigrants who immigrated legally. At that time America needed people to come and work. We also do not have plenty of space. Space implies physical location, resources, jobs, transportation infrastructure, government programs like social security and medicaid, etc. We do not have enough of that to accommodate millions of illegal immigrants.
KornymthaFR ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:35:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the past there was actual demand for them, as the country was vastly expanding economically. Now that things have slowed, more benefits required and cities are crammed, things have changed and there is a legal process that must be respected. It is put in place so that the fastest growing demographics (immigrant Hispanics) in our country can be properly educated and cared for.
An unsustainable growing demographic of low income people is... unsustainable.
Panchotevilla ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:29:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And did you know that net immigration from Mexico has been zero for the past 6 years?
BurpWallace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps you've never heard of immigration quotas. The choice isn't between working hard to immigrate legally and being lazy by jumping the border. It's between saving up most of your income for many years to buy a lottery ticket while watching your children starve, or risking your life to jump the border and busting your ass to send back money to keep your family alive. If you think that any choice available to most of these people is an easy way out, then you have no idea how lucky you are.
crooked_clinton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY. And for what it's worth, I'm not American. However, I did legally immigrate to my wife's country in the past, but we're back in Canada now and she legally immigrated here. When I finish my PhD, I might try to immigrate to the United States, legally.
Panchotevilla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point, though, if you are eligible to come here legally you obviously don't need to break any laws. And if you have a comfortable life in your country home and you are not eligible to come here legally then you won't even think about it. Illegal immigrants come here the way they do because a) they don have Phds and b) They don't have a legal path to immigrate to the US.
crooked_clinton ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many of them are decent people who were just unlucky to be born in a poor family in a poor country, and there's no harm in those people immigrating, legally or not. The bigger concern is that they're coming in unchecked, so along with them come the bad guys. While unfortunately the reality is that every single poor person in the world can't be admitted to rich countries because it's not sustainable, I wouldn't be opposed to some sort of system where a limited number of unskilled immigrants were allowed in as a form of compassion, but nonetheless they are vetted in order to keep the bad guys out. It's a happy medium for both sides. Not too many unskilled ones because they'll depress wages and take jobs from people already at the bottom of the economic ladder (e.g., African-Americans) but it also doesn't totally shut people out and offers some a better life.
hasbro123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was emphasizing the nature of the lives of immigrants and why they came to this country, smartass. Read the second sentence of my original comment.
crooked_clinton ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree with you. Deporting the ones there now obviously has ethical issues, and as you've noted, would be incredibly difficult. That said, a wall with modern security systems and patrolling drastically reducing future illegal immigration is a great idea, and I don't see how people (not necessarily you) can deem that to be "racist". If undesirable Canadians were flooding over the border in large numbers illegally and a similar wall was needed, it surely would not be called "racist" to keep them out, so similarly it's not racist to keep illegal Mexicans out. As for legal Mexicans bringing skills and reunifying with family there legally, bring 'em on in!
ONLYDRAWSNAKEDWOMAN ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keyword is immigrants. People that legally immigrate to the US have to go through so much shit just to become a US citizen. Why should illegals get to game the system. It's not fair to the ones who legally immigrate and it is not fair to the Americans who were born here. Fix your own country.
lossyvibrations ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:58:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I've jaywalked. That puts far more people at risk than just being here without papers. We should give them a viable path. Anyone who works here and hasn't committed a crime should be elgible for a visa and citizenship.
The current system invites them here to work for sub-standard wages but refuses to give them citizenship. That's fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 18:02:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt that a little unfair on all the immigrants who waited and went through the proper channels to come here legally? And all the ones still waiting in mexico but trying to come here legally?
unhappychance ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:49:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Making a law more fair is always going to be unfair to the people who had to live under the old law. That's not a good reason not to improve the system.
lossyvibrations ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:07:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most immigrants coming here legally have a viable path. It's not like these folks are just too lazy to fill out paperwork.
The legal process is onerous and expensive for those eligible. Not all are eligible or have the money even if they are. It's not a good system.
TheDemonicEmperor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:35:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't make it right to side-step the law, though. My grandparents came from Eastern Europe in the 60s. They were dirt poor and it took them many years, but they saved up the money to immigrate.
The argument I hear is that these people need to leave their countries now. But it's not like my grandparents could afford to stay in their country either. They had to make it through the war and through Stalin's Soviet Union.
So yeah, it is a bit lazy when plenty of people fill out the paperwork and come here legally despite coming from just as poor of a background.
lossyvibrations ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:39:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They saved ip money to travel here. The wait time to legally immigrate was much shorter; and when there was some it was simply a quota and you knew where you stood.
There is not a legal path (other than the green card lottery) for poor Mexican and others from that region. None. Saving up money won't do them any good.
Our grand parents lived in a much different world on immigration.
Panchotevilla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mexico is not a participant of the green card lottery.
lossyvibrations ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't realize that. Guess there are closer to zero paths than I realized.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:01:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. It's also unfair that I was born too late to have the government give me free land, or too late to invest in Bitcoin. Life isn't fair.
babsa90 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:43:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, life isn't fair, let's deport everyone here illegally and tighten down our borders. We'll only take in wealthy and educated immigrants.
TheToastIsBlue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the same argument cab drivers make about uber. "But I had to do this, and they didn't"
yinyangman12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think that fining all those that are currently here illegally would be a solution that more people could agree with? On the exact amount I'm not sure.
meem1029 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:10:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sets a dangerous precedent that you can just sneak in, pay a fine, and be here legally.
How do you set that fine? What do we do with the ones who can't afford the fine? Isn't that making our immigration policy extremely biased against the poor?
BurpWallace ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:04:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You may want to look into our current immigration policy.
yinyangman12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying it is a perfect solution and the things you pointed out are certainly valid reasons not to have that, I was just saying that it is a possible solution besides sending everyone back or keeping everyone here. Do you have a suggestion for a way that could satisfy both sides?
norx123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ive seen Trump take a lot of heat on this but I would like to hear someone who flames him propose a different solution. I have no idea what Hillary believes should be done.
Shanman150 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:54:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here are Hillary Clinton's positions, you can find a lot of their thoughts on their websites. Here's Donald Trump's page for contrast.
norx123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that wikileaks has shown she has different private and public positions on some issues. Honestly the emails make it look like she is deceiving her base, which doesnt really include me. She panders man it is really obvious. Just look at her cryptic stance on TPP.
Shanman150 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:40:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I thought you genuinely weren't sure on her policies. It looks like you were looking to promote Trump instead. Consider being a bit clearer on that next time, that way people won't accidentally think you are looking for help.
norx123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Youre right I could have worded that better.
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:21:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WikiLeaks email states she wants free trade and worldwide open borders
Parysian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking wish.
bjfie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to the current precedent of, you can pay a coyote, come here for a bit of cash and basically live your entire life out here. You'll have to live with the fear of being deported always in the back of your mind, be a strain on the US healthcare system and live in a "shadow" society, but for most it's a successful "path" for their children to become American.
eiketsujinketsu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it a little unfair that we don't get drafted by the military anymore? Things change, things can improve, the things caused by the previous rules can't be erased, but it can be made better for others in the present and future.
Ravelord_Nito_ ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:02:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But crossing over illegally is a crime?
lossyvibrations ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:08:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most don't cross illegally. The vast majority just overstay a visa.
Crossing illegally is a crime; but a victimless one. We need a better system.
bjfie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:24:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're talking about Mexican illegal immigrants, I'd like to see where you got that information.
Most pay a coyote to cross illegally.
BarestGoose ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:35:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And 80% of the women are raped.
bjfie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a decent percentage of the boys/young men.
BurpWallace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We raped their horses and rode off on the women!
sampeeper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:24:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like they cause the taxpayers (actual citizens) money!
labrat420 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:17:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By contributing to a whole bunch of programs they can't legally benefit from? Yea it sucks having all that extra money for social services.
eiketsujinketsu ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
False
sampeeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so? You can't just walk up and say "false" without having anything to back it up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TreesnCats ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said jaywalking puts more people at risk too, what a guy.
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:11:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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smock707 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:25:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't do jaywalkers compared to illegal immigrants, but if we assume that jaywalkers are non-immigrants, then maybe this is what you're looking for?
https://www.ncjrs.gov/criminal_justice2000/vol_1/02j.pdf
An interesting takeaway is that perceptions of violent crime for immigrants is far higher than the actual crime rates.
Also interesting is that the violent crime caused by citizens is higher than the crimes caused by illegal immigrants. So sure, there are violent crimes caused by illegal immigrants, but the rate of them is lower than the average rate for citizens.
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How exactly do you think that jaywalking leads to violent crime? I'm genuinely curious, because that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard all day.
Seriously, how did it occur to you that jaywalking is violence
lossyvibrations ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One puts lives at risk, the other involves working without proper papers. I know which hurts society more.
Neil_Anblomi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dumping wages and crashing the job market hurts society more for sure.
Haikuheathen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go on
Neil_Anblomi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you see that the sub-standard wages you already mentioned create a huge problem for the job-market? Some people lose their jobs because illegals will work for less. Those people then have to rely on state subsidies instead of paying taxes, while illegals mostly don't pay taxes.
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why we need to give them a path to be here legally/
Ariel125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they clog our emergency rooms and suck the medical system dry. That's a major concern.
lossyvibrations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. We need better health insurance options. California is starting to get them on medi-cal which is a positive step.
eiketsujinketsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a health care problem not an immigration problem
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a legal immigrant, fuck you and the fact that dumb fucks like you exist.
lossyvibrations ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you were fortunate enough to be in a class that gave you a legal path.
Buck_wild654 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww did we hurt your feelings? Haha
21_and_sad ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the worst that can happen when you jay walk is get hit by a car and cause a couple thousand dollars in damage to yourself and their vehicle.
When people come to this country illegally who pays for their Children to go to school, who pays for their emergency room visits when they get ill, and what about all the money they remove from the US economy by sending it back to their home countries?
I'm not saying they are bad people or that something can't be worked out so they can still find work, like seasonal employment programs, or become legal.
But as it stands we currently have a problem.
lossyvibrations ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:09:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every analysis shows them to be a net economic gain.
21_and_sad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I find it hard to believe considering all the money spent on managing the illegal problem. As well as all the social services money they consume. I don't really think it's a good idea to just leave them as illegals. We need to figure out a system to either legalize them, so we can better tax an allocate social services money, or remove the majority of them. Either way the current system is broken and having millions of people living in your nation undocumented and maybe paying taxes is not a good idea.
lossyvibrations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They pay taxes just like you and me. In most ways they are a gain because they'll never claim social security.
eiketsujinketsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Evidence for any of that?
21_and_sad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cause it's a really good idea to have millions of undocumented people living in your nation. Because it's not like it's important for a country to keep track of those living in your nation. You do also realize that unless the problem is solved, I don't know what the solution is but you aren't seriously going to tell me the current system is perfect and doesnt need adjustment.
Buck_wild654 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:44:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an absurd, baseless statement.
lossyvibrations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only for those who haven't even done a cursory reading on the subject.
eiketsujinketsu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:18:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to do some actual research and you'll realize just how wrong you are.
norx123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the government doesnt even know how many illegals there are, how can that analysis be trusted?
lossyvibrations ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because people who are actually trained in this stuff do it.
norx123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is the best you got? I thought I would at least get a link.
lossyvibrations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've found that most people who don't understand how we can do basic things like estimate the number of undocumented immigrants aren't open to accepting work done by experts.
I'd like to be proven wrong/
norx123 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I havent seen you present anything concrete at all. You have a source for the original claim?
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is like asking if the sky is blue. It's common knowledge and been reported on in every major paper - I've read it at least twice in the LA times and once in the NY times. If you honestly haven't read anything on this and are new to the discussion on immigration I can google a link for you later when I land and am off mobile. My experience is that most people disputing a well known fact like this are being deliberately obtuse - apologies if you are not.
norx123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It really really isnt like asking if the sky is blue. You stated literally nothing specific. I study mathematics and stat and econometrics, I would like to see the study and specific methodology used. I trust politically charged studies referenced by redditors like I trust 40 year old health analysis studies of smoking.
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are standard studies that look at tax revenue vs social costs. If you acknowledge being new to discussions on immigration I'll look one up for you. If you claim to have any knowledge of the immigration situation but aren't familiar with these I'm hard pressed to understand how.
norx123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many times do i have to ask for your source?
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:07:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They pay taxes just like I do
21_and_sad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't all pay taxes, but it is true that some of them do.
But how do they even pay? With no SS number and not being here legally and all how do they file their taxes?
iliketrees1015 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:20:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can get an ITIN number that can be used instead of an SSN for tax purposes only
21_and_sad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:28:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really interesting I didn't know those existed. It actually seems really strange to me that you have to be a nonresident alien to get one. So the IRS basically knows where every single illegal in the US works, if they pay taxes that is.
What would be the motivation for an illegal to apply for one of these? It doesn't make you eligible for social security or other social services?
Also wouldn't employers not want their illegal employees to pay taxes? Cause then wouldn't the IRS be aware that they hire illegal labor and wouldn't the employer have to pay them at least minimum wage?
lossyvibrations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't dona citizenship check for it. If you don't have one and your employer gets audited they get financially reamued. The IRS doesn't care if you hire illegals. They do care if you are cooking your books to pay them.
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They want to contribute for the services they use. They're here because services in their country suck.
I don't know many people who love America as much as your average illegal resident. I definitely don't know anyone more gung-ho America than a naturalized citizen.
lossyvibrations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you make less than like $25k per year there is no mandate to file. If you don't file you just don't get a refund. You are only legally required to file for certain classes of income.
21_and_sad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the ones who make more than that? Also for those who make less do they still pay for SS? Your pay for that regardless of your income level.
lossyvibrations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SS is directly removed from your paycheck. So you pay in to the system whether or not you will get benefits.
For those making more there are affordable paths to citizenship. Companies aren't using illegal labor for $30k/yr jobs.
21_and_sad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, at least with large companies. In the area I live most landscaping companies use illegal labor and pay them between 10-15 dollars an hour.
But yeah if you worked in a slaughterhouse in the south or something your gonna make sub minimum wage.
Also I think you underestimate their industriousness. Those guys bust their asses it's possible to hold down two jobs that pay at least 12.5k per year.
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the ones I know work at least two jobs. My point was for single jobs making more than that; I might have been unclear/
21_and_sad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also that's interesting I didn't know that SS gets taken directly. You would have to getting paid on the books tho.
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most are getting paid wither with an ITIN or a fake SS number.
danesays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have fake SSNs.
Source: I used to do payroll for a company with a large immigrant workforce. Every year the IRS would send me a list of our employees who paid taxes with invalid SSNs. I would give the list to the managers and ask them to double-check the SSNs by asking their workers to bring in their SS cards. Those workers always quit abruptly because they knew their documents were counterfeit and feared deportation.
21_and_sad ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that pretty messed up. Honestly in that case the system takes advantage of them. Since they had to quit and probably get new fake papers they'll never see any of the SS money they paid in and the gov probably keeps their refund for that year too.
danesays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is messed up. These were hard-working people making next to nothing, people who were never late or called in sick, always willing to work overtime.
I hated that time of year, and so did the managers. The managers would tell me about the fear in their workers' eyes when they heard about the IRS letter. And then we'd never see those people again.
So when people complain about about immigrants not paying taxes and using resources they're not entitled to, I try to explain that many of them do pay taxes and receive no benefit from it.
21_and_sad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well they just don't get SS or a return. If they have kids or use any public service such as a library or a emergency room they receive those benefits. Still messed up tho.
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked with illegals in the trades. They buy Puerto Rican ss# and file a w2 like everybody else, for the most part. Most contractors won't hire someone with no paperwork, too much liability.
21_and_sad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely understand that for any trade. No matter how skilled the person is your working in a dangerous environment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:38:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The context of my statement was pretty clear. I'd rather have ESL immigrants who make an effort to learn our language than citizens who have been afforded every opportunity and still can't figure basic shit out.
Buck_wild654 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they don't like that then they can fuck off to wherever they came from. Comparing jaywalking to illegal immigration is hysterical. Bravo for giving me a good laugh today.
Also, by default, an illegal immigrant has broken the law and continues to break the law by being here. So your argument about giving the ones who haven't committed a crime is invalid .
lossyvibrations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope one day you make friends with people outside your social class and learn to view even the poor and struggling as fellow people. It will do a lot for your happiness.
ONLYDRAWSNAKEDWOMAN ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are criminals? Why should we give them free citizenship when they work here illegally?
eiketsujinketsu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:17:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you never break the law? I highly doubt that. Grow up and stop being such a xenophobe.
ONLYDRAWSNAKEDWOMAN ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't. I'm not a criminal. And I don't see why you feel the need to call me a xenophobe. My best friends are a first generation immigrants from Kenya and Russia. They're good people, hard working and cultured. That's because they worked hard to come to America rather than just jumping a fence. It amazes me that you can't see the difference between illegal aliens and immigrants. It's disrespectful.
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what visa program got them in? Is that available to unskilled Mexican laborers?
ONLYDRAWSNAKEDWOMAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it was available to skilled foreign workers. Why the fuck would you want unskilled Mexican laborers in our country? Why mass import unskilled workers when we have enough of our own? Why can't the Mexicans stay in their own country, or at least work their way up to success legally. You cannot convince me that these people are backed into a corner and have no way out. The American dream is to work your way to success. Immigrants to Ellis Island slaved in their home country for an opportunity to come to America and be an American citizen. We call ourselves a nation of immigrants because it is a compliment. True immigrants are hardworking, loyal, skilled and dedicated to making America better. These illegal aliens entering our country only come to leech off the system, and get a paycheck to send back to their family in Mexico. It is a horrible system.
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see. They enjoyed the benefit and privilege of being able to learn a skill that helped them jump the queue.
You're being xenophobic if you can't recognize that a Mexican immigrant didn't have the same options your friend had. You're perfeclty ok with foreigners as long as their culture is similar enough to ours that they can get skills that let them get ahead in the queue here, but you freak out the second a Mexican wants in.
ONLYDRAWSNAKEDWOMAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you telling me Kenya is more developed than Mexico?
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying your friends came from a more privileged class and benefitted from that. I've met Kenyans who went to college, so I'm assuming parts of it are fairly developed.
ONLYDRAWSNAKEDWOMAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So are parts of Mexico.
Here's a capital of either Mexico or Kenya
Here's the other
Tell me which one is more developed.
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and the immigrants working the unskilled jobs are coming from more undeveloped area.
i'm struggling to understand your point. Your friend with more options and a background more similar to yours was able to come here. Mexicans from poor parts of Mexico don't have those options, and come here and contribute anyway. Somehow that scares you?
ONLYDRAWSNAKEDWOMAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you implying that unskilled workers are justified in breaking the law because they have not gotten equal oppurtunities?
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that if you state they should wait in line like your friend did that you are ignorant about how immigration works. If you think it's only ok when it's your buddies from backgrounds like yours you probably border on xenophobic.
ONLYDRAWSNAKEDWOMAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In what world is Kenyan culture similar to America? Kenya is a third world country, Sub-saharan, underdeveloped. An middle class worker in Kenya is not the same as one in America.
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but your buddy had the education and background to get a visa. There are parts of America where medical aid workers operate. We're comparing specifically the options of an unskilled laborer vs the fortunate background your buddy has. I'm assuming your buddy's culture/background are closer to yours than that of an unskilled Mexican laborer. Am I incorrect?
Or, let's back up. Did your friend at least receive a high school education?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There actually is a viable path right now. Voluntarily pull up stakes, return to the home country, and get in line with the millions of people already in line to legally enter into the US. :) Not too hard is it?
lossyvibrations ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There isn't a line for unskilled labor from most places. There is a green card lottery if that's what you mean?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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lossyvibrations ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:24:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly it does, or they would be unemployed.
terencebogards ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:55:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yea fuck all those people coming to America to provide a better life for their families. none of our parents or grandparents did that shit! oh wait.. almost all of our ancestors did the exact same fucking thing
ALTSuzzxingcoh ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't exactly a moral question. Suppose every poor african, asian and southern american wanting a better life came to europe or the united states. According to your logic, we'd have to let everybody in. There are several hundred million "really" poor people. We can't help them all.
dorito_bag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have to be an 'all or nothing' solution either, though.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:50:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Slaythepuppy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:15:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that would just encourage more people to immigrate illegally.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:56:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a legal and illegal way to do things.
All things considered, their parents are possibly using our school resources without paying taxes.
That being said, I'm usually against deporting families but making them pay a fine and force them to go through a strict 'legalization' process with a very strong deportation potential for any fraud or crimes committed.
SeeShark ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:10:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit on the fence on some of the related issues, but FWIW everybody pays taxes in states that have a sales tax.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:28:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And everyone pays property tax in one way or another. And SS tax doesn't mean much if you don't have a SS number to collect it. If you make less than $20k/year you aren't paying much if anything in federal or state income tax either. The only thing missing is payroll tax, but personally I'm a legal citizen and don't pay payroll tax either being self-employed.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There significantly more to tax than sales tax.
lossyvibrations ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's not a legal way for most of them to be here. That's the reality for (mostly) unskilled laborers at low pay.
hasbro123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we not implement/change laws?
lossyvibrations ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:12:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can, but we've chosen not to. Big business likes being able to pay illegal immigrants less. Many people are too xenophobic to allow changes. So nothing happens.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:08:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, that's why they are criminals.
I feel bad, but I think Mexico should work on increasing their quality of living, not America taking their poor.
lossyvibrations ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:11:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're all criminals on some level. I sped twice today.
We should help Mexico build its economy. In the meantime, let's give good immigrants a path.
vzo1281 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:41:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Mexican and US Citizen, how do you propose we help Mexico build their economy??
lossyvibrations ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:45:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. Needs to start by taking responsibility for the flow of drug money and guns to Mexico.
gofiguree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and throw out terrible trade deals.
vzo1281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And since not all illegals are Mexican, what should be done with El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala?
norx123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are in $20T debt. We shoud worry about mexicos economy in the same sense that we worry about the global economy, but I do NOT pay taxes to help mexico or mexicans.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be okay with tax money taking care of Mexico if we could annex it.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:17:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be a great idea if America wasn't fueling their drug cartels..
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's our fault that we buy an illegal thing that they illegally traffick?
Come on.
Decriminalization would be great, but this isn't really a good time for a literal blame game.
lossyvibrations ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it is our fault. We blame other nations if terrorists operate in their borders/
smock707 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our economy is held in place because of illegal immigrants. If we taxed each and every illegal immigrant, they would demand higher wages, and in the long run our economy would suffer. The pay that companies would be giving in wages would cost them more than the benefits everyone would see from the paid taxes.
gofiguree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ding ding ding. If your a famous pop star or athlete, sure come on in!
Battle_Bear_819 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:59:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't have some sort of higher education or certified trade skill, good job getting a work visa. And if you are able to apply for one, have fun waiting 10-20 years while your family is dying to cartel wars.
Earthmother2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because work visas are for the economic betterment of the US, not a humanitarian escalator out of 'cartel country'.
Iwanttolink ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:48:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what became of
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Earthmother2015 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's civic art, not legislation.
At various points in American history the economy needed more human labor, and 'hungry masses' are an instant workforce.
saur84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, the Statue of Liberty has become nothing more than a tourist attraction. No longer the ideal that Americans once held.
TheLurkingFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like every other major country...
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:07:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care.
Well I don't care tangibly anyway. We can't take in everyone, we take in a decent number of refugees every year, but the vast majority of those who come here should be to America's benefit and not their own.
Battle_Bear_819 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:15:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do taxes count as America's benefit? Because immigrants that get legal jobs with living wages pay taxes.
realityinhd ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone would have had that job anyways, it's not a net gain for the usa
fanzzzzzzzeeeellllee ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:08:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So anybody facing hard conditions can just come to the United States and take advantage of our massive social programs and institutions? Thank god you aren't in charge or we would have 3 billion citizens tomorrow. We don't have the resources to take care of everybody on the planet. It is impossible. It is a good idea for la la land.
Battle_Bear_819 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:14:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They wouldn't have to take advantage of social programs if they had jobs that paid them a decent wage. They might be able to have a job that pays a decent wage and pay taxes if they had a pathway that took less than 10 years.
fanzzzzzzzeeeellllee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We already have a lack of good jobs in this country. You're going to put extra strain on the job market and spend money on training citizens of other countries while we have a shit ton of issues to take care of here at home for our citizens? Think about all of the issues that go underfunded in our country. Now think of a politician trying to divert even more of our public money, that we are borrowing, to training and giving American jobs to citizens of other countries. This seems like an awful plan to me.
TheFrankBaconian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about you legalize the drugs being traded? Thereby you could stop fueling the drug wars in south and middle america and actually create jobs in the US in the new developing business.
fanzzzzzzzeeeellllee ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That might work. There are no guarantees. What will happen because of the absolutely trashed Mexican economy? Will there be violence because of the power vacuum? Will that violence spill over the border worse than it already is now? There are no guarantees with these things. If it were that easy of a solution and businessmen could make a shit ton of money off of it then they would lobby the government to allow it to happen. We haven't seen that yet so I doubt it is that simple of a solution. Also, America isn't the only country that keeps drugs illegal. That is actually every country.
KulaanDoDinok ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:16:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The jobs that pay "decent wage" should go to legal American citizens in the first place.
Battle_Bear_819 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So people that aren't full citizens should be payed $2 an hour? What about travelers with work permits from other modern countries like the UK? Should they make less than minimum wage since they aren't full citizens?
TheLurkingFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No because if you are working on a permit you are a legal citizen, not someone who crossed a border and demands citizenship and pay as much as everyone else. I'm getting disgusted at how many people think our border is a paper weight and anyone should be allowed in and have all the rights we have. There is a process to become legal and if that's a problem then turn your energy to your own country or another. Why do they come all the way from South America? Because our borders are so weak they can. You can't enter Canada that way? Should Canada be deemed horrible for having people properly enter their country and not willy nilly as they please?
Battle_Bear_819 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people come from south America? Because there is opportunity in the US. There used to be a thing called the American dream where people believed they could come here and make their lives better. There are dozens if billionaires who immigrated to the US and we're able to make it rich. The simple fact is that couldn't have happened in a lot of their home countries.
Yes, there needs to be a legal pathway, but when people come to the us, they bring money with them. If they have a legal job, they pay taxes on their income. If they have a legal job that gives them money enough past just surviving, they will spend that money into the local economy.
TheLurkingFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because we are the land of opportunity doesn't mean as long as you are poor and breathing you get that opportunity. We can't have open borders, our economy doesn't work like that. No other country can you enter and demand rights like you can in America. Can't do that in Canada, England, Norway, Russia, or Australia. Why should we be different? Because we feel like we are the worlds police and care taker?
FoxSanjuro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not at all what was said there.
D_Man117taco ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:59:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because something's illegal doesn't mean it's bad
Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's beneficial
Panchotevilla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! Slavery was legal at some point. And boy, that shit was messed up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So we should dissolve our borders and let anyone that wants to come in? What is wrong with you people?
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the first page of your comment history is nothing but vitriol and ridiculous insults. You are such a quintessential Trump supporter I wonder if you might actually be Trump.
Momma_Chirpie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm interested in hearing more about your experience if you would like to share. Some dear friends FINALLY got their citizenship after being here in the US for 15ish years being co-sponsored at his job. Several times we all thought they were s.o.l and their being deported was imminent. Thank goodness it never came to that. Want to tell your story by any chance?
horneke ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So your friends legally came here on a work visa and later applied for citizenship? Sounds like the system worked out pretty well for them.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:38:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
15 years is a shitty long time to be in such a stupid limbo status. It is not a solution, any more than a bandaid for an amputation is.
mike_jones2813308004 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school was funded mostly by property taxes, so either illegal immigrants rent, and the owner pays for it, or they own, and they pay for it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot of if if if if okie doke involved with that.
Most illegal immigrants go to poor and city schools which get much of their funding from the state because otherwise they would not have enough money for much.
mike_jones2813308004 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the bay area CA that's not really the case though, our schools are pretty decent and very well funded. I'm just pointing out an exception, which I'm sure won't apply in most states but that's the problem with federal legislation.
norx123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the household size is like 15 people that doesnt matter. I worked for fedex in a rural area and it was obvious where the illegal workers lived because there would be like 15 men living in a 4 bedroom house next to a farm. They then split rent and food costs and send the rest home.
mike_jones2813308004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about rural America. I don't live there so I have no experience. I'm just saying blanket statements like these don't accurately reflect the entire immigrant experience. Also if you have 15 ppl living in a 4 bedroom here you will be evicted. Fast.
norx123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanted to point out it is a bit more nuanced than what you said. And you are right they do get evicted.... and then the property value of the home and surounding homes goes down.
Edit: glad you dont experience this in your region but you shouldnt ignore it just because it does not affect you
mike_jones2813308004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, and this is why immigration reform is so hard to deal with on a federal level.
unhappychance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know most of the US is stolen land, right? The state I live in wouldn't be part of the country without half a dozen broken treaties. What right do we have to close our borders?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:04:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The right of the ability to kill anyone who tried taking our land.
unhappychance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The world would be a better place if your understanding of ethics were unique.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, conquest of absolutely natural and an extremely important part of human history and development.
Saladore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've heard recently, using public resources without paying taxes is smart.
Nothing to be ashamed of.
Momma_Chirpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? I mean their only crime is being smart enough to have found a loophole. ;)
joules719 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's estimated that at least 50% of undocumented immigrants pay taxes without being able to reap the benefits of tax-funded programs. So it's just as likely that their parents are paying taxes. Source
I think this gets overlooked a lot in this argument.
Though I agree that there should be a better legalization process for people who are here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally speaking, including yours, that is always flaunted by extremely biased sources.
I'm not saying it's wrong, but it holds the political weight class of a stormfront article.
As an example, that article says that about 3m people use itins and then adds a guess of how many immigrants pay taxes in various other ways to make it be 50%.
The problem with that is easy. Mostly all of the 3m itins are legal residents.
joules719 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just did a quick search for a handy article; however, I have done more thorough research on this topic in the past (maybe 8 years ago) and found similar things from less biased sources.
I was just trying to bring up that point that "illegal immigrants don't pay taxes and freeload off legal citizens" argument is oversimplified and incorrect.
If you can find an unbiased source that proves otherwise, I'd be very interested in reading it :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will do my best. But I'm also drinking and watching football so I'm not going to try hard.
joules719 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Respectable! I support this wholeheartedly :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the Legal way is to get here by boat, then hunt down all the injuns, hunt their bison to near extinction, kill their horses, rape their women and children, and force them into tiny reservations were we can educate them and make them as civilized as possible.
That is how you get citizenship. All the people who came here and didn't do that are lazy bums.
Sarahgirl777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โGive me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!โ
Ariel125 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:27:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*legally
___Snoke___ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And they did so legally. Just like 1.7 million people did in 2015. The legal way to come to the US does work, and it is very successful.
murdermeformysins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:00:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they don't complain about the other illegal immigrants
SeeShark ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever talked to a Mexican about Puerto Ricans/Cubans/Dominicans?
EVERYBODY is racist. You just gotta find out towards whom.
murdermeformysins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that doesn't really help the argument that race is a motivator for keeping out mexicans
doeslikecheesecake ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you said it
Lolrennn ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually so fucking sad.
Argueswithchildren ยท 1693 points ยท Posted at 15:50:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher, but I help in a school library. One little boy was singing: "Donald Trump picking his butt how many fingers did he get stuck?!" I laughed and said: "Shhhhh"
Masylv ยท 1614 points ยท Posted at 16:53:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None, because his tiny hands fit nice and snug.
Synergythepariah ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:55:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's his own personal hand warmer.
'My hands don't get cold in the winter, let me tell you'
UpvotesForLaughs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:32:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is nature's pocket.
filemeaway ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:36:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a beautiful pocket, believe me.
TheTurtleyTurtle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:44:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've talked to pocket experts, they absolutely love my pocket.
NealMcBeal__NavySeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
China.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:35:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gyna
CanadianAstronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wouldn't snugness mean they are more likely to get stuck?
Masylv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They fit easily with juuust enough space to fit comfortably, without being crushed together and getting stuck.
muddyleaftea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"A person with very small hands is very hard to be a 10."
amsterdam_pro ยท -72 points ยท Posted at 17:46:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not body-shaming anyone are we
Masylv ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 18:16:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I know lots of guys, okay, lots of really attractive guys, 9s and 10s, you know. And I gotta say, they've all got big hands - the most beautiful hands - and some people say that means something else too. I'm not saying Donald's small hands mean anything, of course not, but I've had many people, the best people, come up to me and say "you know, Donald's hands are pretty small, maybe that means something" and I'm not saying it does, just that some people have concerns. But not me, nobody has more respect for men than I do, believe me.
Nueraman1997 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:11:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the Trump impersonations I've seen on this site and on social media, this is the best.
IDidntChooseUsername ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:33:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me tell you -- we know how to impersonate Trump. Some say that other people, other websites, have better Trump impersonations, and I'm not saying they don't. But let me tell you, I've had people come up to me and say "you know, /u/Masylv's Trump impression really is the best.", and it's true! It's true, we have the best Trump impersonators, believe me.
When we have a world where we have ISIS chopping off heads, you know, we need to remember that our Trump impersonations are the very best. It's one of those things, Mexicans don't do it as well as we do, and the people, who are beating us, with ISIS, are -- Can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with ISIS, and they look at our country and they see what we have.
I will defeat ISIS, I'm going to build a wall on the Mexican border and we're going to use it to knock the hell out of ISIS. And I will tell you, /u/Masylv is going to pay for it.
Binford6100 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:23:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grab 'em by the phalanges.
Frond_Dishlock ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:37:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The joke is related to his ridiculous reaction to it, not his actual hands. Unless you're saying his hands are actually really tiny and people shouldn't mention it.
sloppies ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:57:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not being an annoying perpetually offended twerp are we?
JackHarrison1010 ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 20:52:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Checks comment history:
Suddenly this comment makes sense.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:04:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are tiny hands really seen as unattractive and is it body shaming even if normal hands (small, medium, or large) aren't given much stock when evaluating attractiveness? Does body shaming the size of someone's hands matter? I don't think so.
I'm a guy and I only ever wish my hands were larger when I want to be able to climb better.
Oomba73 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small hands imply small dick size, that's why it's so funny.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
wondertribe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:14:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard that? Same with feet. Penis size has been linked to finger length, but it's been a popular assumption anyways for quite a while
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've never heard that before. The thing you linked seems like it's unrelated to length of the fingers and instead focused on their difference.
wondertribe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are more articles if you google. Idk it's just always been a potty joke in school
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but the source you linked literally starts with "Penis length cannot be determined by how big his hands or feet are -- those and other supposed indicators have been widely discredited for years".
wondertribe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, whether it's true or not, the point is it's a common assumption/misconception whatever you want to call it
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally never heard that about hands, only feet.
BurpWallace ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no one else should body-shame because that's Donny Chump's shtick, and it's not fair to do to someone exactly what he does to others.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:01:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
people are taking this comment seriously? holy fuck
JackHarrison1010 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:53:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The person who commented it means it seriously, unfortunately.
wondertribe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know?
JackHarrison1010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Checked their comment history. It makes for grim reading.
wondertribe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:13:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy fuck
let the downvotes pour on him holy shit
b3rn13mac ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 19:59:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why is this getting downvoted?
It's an honest, though unpleasant question pointing out a double standard set.
Even if you believe Trump to be a racist/sexist/bigot/etc. why would you drop yourself to the same level, then downvote people who dare question you? It's just dumb.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:43:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump is a serial body shamer, it's a non-zero part of the reason he's so famous. So nobody cares if he gets a taste of his own medicine.
Masylv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:02:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Trump body shames people, especially women, so it's fun to do it to him. I actually upvoted him, so I don't agree with the downvotes.
LesseFrost ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:16:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None. His hands are too small
justanothergirling ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:58:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am imagining a bunch of kids chanting it while jumping rope.
Argueswithchildren ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:01:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is the perfect description of how he sang it!
Arcessimus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:22:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful
Pm_me_some_dessert ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found sprog's kid
Coming2amiddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:46:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My teenaged sons thank you in advance.
ErniePhan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:32:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
username checks out
LittleBoSkeet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That kids about to get lit up on Twitter by the Donald
Mithrandir_Earendur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:21:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cartman?
screaminginfidels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sung to the tune of Pringles Dick; I'm gonna have to steal that kids song
ScottieScrotumScum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sitting in a Chevy and I feel something heavy; diarrhea diarrhea, pfft pfft.
Leonard_Church814 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh daaaamn!
StrawberryR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, that sounds like a jump rope rhyme.
duhdoydoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No arguments there
Ferfrendongles ยท -47 points ยท Posted at 18:37:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dirty lying shill faced shill pants.. Look at this "person's" acct. No activity for 3 years, then bam, it's all fuck trump.
You guys, I don't even like Trump, but you're making me feel bad for him in the same way I feel bad for kids who get bullied. I'm the kind of person who says stuff to people who bully, and it's making me look like I support Trump, so how about, considering that that's a thing with most people, why don't you guys just go ahead and let us have our free speech back? This is hurting you.
ducksdogs ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:21:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guys! Stop saying stuff I don't like! But make sure I have free speech
Ferfrendongles ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:39:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who are paid to spout a narrative in order to combat an existing organic one are a harm to free speech, yes.
alph4rius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that mean we can go after advertising and telemarketing for free speech reasons?
ducksdogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck are you talking about? You don't have proof that this person is a "shill"
Ferfrendongles ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well they actually said they were, so....
IranToToronto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Catching sarcasm isn't your strong suit is it?
Ferfrendongles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:03:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
IranToToronto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know...
Ferfrendongles ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oooh, look who can't recognize sarcasm. lol This is why you shouldn't play dumb games.
XxsquirrelxX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is no place for a little kid. Go back to playing with blocks.
IranToToronto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just proved you can't pick up sarcasm... that's pretty sad.
tomorsomthing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:28:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I support free speech, better silence all opposing viewpoints by calling anyone who disagrees with my ill-thought out political agenda a shill."
Argueswithchildren ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:15:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lurk every single day from this account. I don't even have a throwaway account. Totally undecided in this election, and have no idea what shill faced shill pants even means. My username is what my Indian name would be, but you go right ahead and have yourself a little conniption fit like a little girl if you want to.
XxsquirrelxX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:14:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how this all came about from a story about a kid singing about how Donald trump got his fingers stuck in his ass.
BurpWallace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you equate the victims of bullying to bullies who finally have someone take a swing at them. Do you also feel bad for thieves who have their stolen goods stolen from them?
I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right, but I have no sympathy for victimizers who find themselves victimized.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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XxsquirrelxX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:16:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there typically is a bias against insane bullies who's policies will harm millions upon millions of people.
alph4rius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reality has a left wing bias.
PMMeYourStoolSample ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I for one would like to see some of this evidence of yours.
Ferfrendongles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:53:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's CNN saying it's illegal to read wikileaks.
Here's where /r/politics knowingly handed control of the sub to new users (shills) because we're corporate now I guess.
You want other stuff? I feel like you're challenging me rather than asking for info, so I mean, no offense but I don't wanna go gather you this stuff if you're just going to be a douche in a bit. Could be wrong, though. Were you legit interested?
Spudgun888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol.
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, exactly, is hurting who, exactly?
yzzp ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 18:20:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's stupid af you laughed ?
Argueswithchildren ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:17:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed. He is in 2nd grade. Just a little kid and I am just answering the frigging question.
IntrinsicSurgeon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not everyone thinks the same things are funny.
SplashFree ยท 1240 points ยท Posted at 17:05:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have this little boy in my class who we call "The Little Professor". He's about 5 now, I think. Talks like a nerd with the whiny voice, looks like a nerd with glasses and sweater vests, but he's literally the sweetest child ever, and he has the brain to match how he looks. He's quite popular among the other kids, so they take what he says as the word of God. So one day, my coteacher, cackling, comes up to me and tells me to ask him who he'd vote for if he could. Our conversation goes like this:
Me: So, little professor, who are you voting for?
Him: [stands up and screams] Hillary Clinton!!
Me: And why are you voting for Hillary Clinton?
Him: [still standing and screaming] BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP IS A LIAR.
And then he got the rest of the kids to start running around and singing "Trump is a liar! Trump is a liar!โ I didn't have the heart to bring it up with mom when she came to get him. One girl did tell me she was voting for "The girl. Because I like girls more than boys."
In my other class, I had one of my girls who are about 10 or 11 tell me "You better vote for Hillary. DO YOU WANT TO CONDEMN ME TO A BAD FUTURE???"
Zahninator ยท 895 points ยท Posted at 18:57:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit.
[deleted] ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 21:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is a Trump supporter but I have been trying to get him to tone down his rhetoric a little.
Some times, when he gets a little wound up we remind him that he isn't actually voting and he gets MORE riled up and tells us that his "very future is at stake!" My daughter is voting for the first time and she support Gary Johnson. They aren't speaking right now.
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 21:41:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like someone isn't feeling the Johnson.
Reddit_beard ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 22:19:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Dad, I'm finally 18 so I'm ready for the Johnson."
waiv ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 00:09:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-Ivanka
Reddit_beard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One day the truth will come out, and several people will act surprised
TheMooseDude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how do they feel about Ken Bone?
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 01:12:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your son is an idiot
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:28:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd put my son against many of the commenters here on Reddit. I bet he is more informed than most even if I don't agree with his assessment completely.
But at least he isn't on the internet calling kids idiots. He definitely has that going for him.
17Hongo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:15:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's a reason you don't call kids idiots.
It's because it goes without saying. I mean, do you remember when you were a kid? Because I was a fucking idiot when I was a kid.
BuzzWeedle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because an 8 year old is meant to be 100% rational, also, if you want Trump to win over Hillary you must be just totally stupid.
yomama629 ยท -46 points ยท Posted at 23:43:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your daughter is the GOAT, good to see kids not brainwashed to vote for the establishment like their parents have been by the lamestream media
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:30:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GOAT?
yomama629 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Greatest of all time, like Michael Jordan
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:39 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
Generallynice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Greatest Of All Time.
FPSGamer48 ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 00:18:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh there are many of them that are being brainwashed right now....I'm a Stein supporter myself, but I have friends who talk about how "the third parties don't matter and if you don't vote for Hillary you're voting for Trump".
yomama629 ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 00:25:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That implies that Hillary is better than Trump, which makes me instantly laugh at the argument any time I hear it. They both suck, and I want neither to run this country. These idiot baby boomers who support the establishment are the only reason there's still a two-party system in this country, 45% of millennials support a third-party candidate this election cycle.
spxctr ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 01:18:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
yomama629 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 06:06:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DAE fuck le stupid millennials amirite xD
FPSGamer48 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:43:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, honestly, I do think Hillary is better than Trump. Is she good? Hell no, she's a corporate shill and exists only to jerk off Wallstreet and Goldman Sachs. Let her burn. She is better, but she isn't good enough to be President of the United States. I refuse to vote for either of them.
hurrrrrmione ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:18:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not "vote for who you want to be president." It's "vote for which candidate you think would be the best president."
FPSGamer48 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And it's not Hillary, and it sure as Hell isn't Trump.
hurrrrrmione ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:23:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You do know there's no chance of a third party candidate winning, right? Like, vote for who you want to vote for, of course, but if you want to vote third party you should be aware that your candidate is not going to win.
FPSGamer48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'd say that was true in the era of the baby boomers. But 46% of the US identify as independents. More and more, corruption in the two main parties is showing the American people that these entities no longer represent the people, they represent the corporations. Higher ranking Democrat insiders called their base "communists". Do you think that makes people want to support them? No, we are tired of this democracy being gutted by corporate, and a change is needed. That change needs to come in the form of a major flushing of the two major parties, or for the people to choose another party and leave these two parties to wither and die like so many other "major parties" (the Democrat-Republicans, the Whigs, the Federalists, etc). Also, there are examples of parties that were once third parties winning (not just the Presidency):
The Bullmoose Party
The Free Soil Party
If the American system was limited to two parties, and there was NEVER a chance of the third party winning, then we'd still have Federalists and Anti-Federalists. Just thought you should be aware that your candidates are not the only ones out there.
hurrrrrmione ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's completely wrong. Roosevelt became president in 1901 when President McKinley was assassinated. McKinley had been elected on a Republican ticket. Once McKinley's term was over, Roosevelt ran to continue his presidency with the Republican party. His term ended in 1909. Then in 1912, Roosevelt ran again for the office, this time with the Bullmoose Party, but he was not elected. Unless you meant 'winning' as in 'best third party performance in a presidential election in US history'?
There's never been a president affiliated with the Free Soil Party. It existed for two presidential elections, both of which it did well in for a third party - no electoral votes and 10% of the popular vote in 1848, no electoral votes and 5% of the popular vote in 1852.
But both those examples are over a century ago. Politics in the US have changed quite a bit since then. The last time a third party candidate won electoral votes was in 1972, and the last time a third party candidate won more than 1 electoral vote was in 1968.
FPSGamer48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not referring to just the Presidency, I'm referring to the US government as a whole.
hurrrrrmione ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have numbers on the success of the Bullmoose Party and the Free Soil party in the Senate and House of Representatives?
FPSGamer48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Free Soil: Two senators and fourteen representatives
Bull Moose (also called the Progressive Party): Fourteen representatives, one Lt. Governor, one governor, one senator, one State Treasurer, and one mayor.
TheTurtleyTurtle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:57:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's obvious that Hillary is going to win right? She's polling really well, so if you would rather have her there ya go. But if you actually support a third party candidate you should definitely vote for them. If they get a good chunk of voters this election then more people will think it's possible for a 3rd party candidate to be elected.
hurrrrrmione ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't think it's obvious Hillary is going to win. I think there's a lot of people who do think that though, and so aren't going to vote or are going to think it's "safe" to vote for a third party candidate (safe as in their vote isn't needed to ensure Hillary's election or to defeat Trump), and I think that thinking is dangerous because it could lead to Trump doing better than expected and perhaps even winning.
I think a "good chunk of voters" is also unlikely. The last time a third party candidate won electoral votes was in 1972, and the last time a third party candidate won more than 1 electoral vote was in 1968.
It's going to take more than thinking a third party candidate win is possible to make it happen. The last time we had a president who wasn't a Democrat or a Republican was Andrew Johnson, who wasn't even elected - he became president when Lincoln was assassinated in 1865. The last time we elected a president who wasn't a Democrat or a Republican was Lincoln for his reelection, and obviously that was during wartime and in a dramatically different political situation than current day.
The fact of the matter is we have a two-party system, and the way that our political system works in general and in terms of presidential elections specifically makes it nearly impossible for a third party candidate to sneak in. And when that did happen on occasion in the 19th century, we didn't get a three-party system, we just got the third party becoming one of the two primary parties. We'd need to change the entirety of how the party system has worked practically since Washington left office (definitely since the end of the Civil War), and abolish or severely change the Electoral College, which requires a Constitutional amendment. That's such a major upheaval to our government that, believe it or not, I think the country is going to have to be in even more turmoil politically than it currently is. The only time we haven't had the two-party system since about 1800 is when it temporarily dissolved in 1860 during the immediate lead-up to the Civil War.
TheTurtleyTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But voting for the "lesser of two evils" isn't how democracy is supposed to work.
hurrrrrmione ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree. But we can't change how the political system works, how presidential elections work, right now. That's going to take years. So right now, your choice is Clinton or Trump. One of them is going to be president. And I do think we should work towards changing the system, but that's not something we can do in the next month or simply by casting a vote for president, so I don't think people should be thinking about that when voting for president right now.
I think Clinton is going to be a fine president. Is she going to be a great one? Probably not. Is she representative of the way politics currently works in this country? Absolutely. But at least we can predict what kind of president she's going to be and what her political views are. At least she knows what the job entails, at least she knows how to navigate our political system, at least she understands how our government works and wants to uphold the values of the Constitution and the American people.
TheTurtleyTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely disagree with you on Clinton, but thank you for wording your argument so well and not going all crazy like most people do one the internet when they get into an argument.But I think that the best path to change at the moment, would be voting 3rd party (if you don't support either main candidates)
hurrrrrmione ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:15:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome and thank you.
I'm just very scared about what's going to happen if Trump is elected. I'm a bisexual woman with chronic illnesses that prevent me from working, so if Trump as president sticks to the opinions he's been espousing and the Republican party's platform for this election, my quality of life and my Constitutional rights are going to be at risk. And even beyond that, I worry that Trump's complete lack of political expertise and his temperament and his professed admiration for people like Putin and Kim Jong-Un is going to be dangerous for everyone in America, and I worry that there's going to be very negative effects on many of our relationships with allies.
lowonbits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And supporting third party candidates means making sure to vote for them in local elections where they have the ability to win. It's slowly building a party from the ground up to be able to compete and make change. I've volunteered for thousands of hours and knocked on at least a thousand doors, traveled across my state helping candidates that have the chance (if supported) to win local elections. The third parties don't do a good job of building a foundation, they put too much effort and money into a race every four years and don't focus enough on building a party from the ground up. It's fucking hard work and they need to do it instead of whining every four years.
Fikkia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:19:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but only because of people spouting this bullshit all day saying it's a waste.
And then you guys complain about a 2 party system that you're all aggressively perpetuating.
yomama629 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's exactly what we're doing. He/she is supporting Stein and I'm supporting Johnson. We're voting for people who we would want to see win the election, not people we think would run the country into the ground.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 20:47:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That really puts shit in perspective.
Reddit_beard ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 22:18:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother just got married. My parents and I have "differing" political views. Well, my brother, my sister-in-law, my mother and I are sitting around, someone mentions politics. My brother looked at my mother, who is ecstatic that one of her sons was a big enough sucker to put a ring on something, and says "Think about who you vote for if you want us to be comfortable having children in the future." It was the first time in my life I've ever seen her actually consider her own or someone else's political stance critically.
lemonadefairy ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 02:29:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
as someone who is working on their final installment of "please, dad, for the love of god, do not vote for trump", which includes a breakdown of social security plans (or lack thereof), this gave me hope. i became disabled recently, at the ripe age of 25. my dad's losing it over the cost of my medical care, sudden inability to support myself, impending doom over insurance etc., and he's not a stupid man. he loves me a lot and i do think it will help him make the right decision on election day, but damn, its been a rough year...
john6806 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 05:43:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor girl. She doesn't realize the futures shit either way...
XenoFractal ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 03:41:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SJW in the makin
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 18:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, cute.
kirby777 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:21:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too late, tbh
Secretly_psycho ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:00:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf.that girl is pretty impressive
Not_5 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:55:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids just repeat what they hear. I highly doubt this young girl was able to come up with this herself.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:13:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would be suprised how many 11 year olds actually do know about politics. It's not many but it's more than you think.
Not_5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't dispute that some 11 year olds may know about politics, but to be able to form such a polarizing opinion of the current political environment like voting for a certain candidate will materially affect their future is a bit too far for me to comprehend. Generally their understanding is more along the lines of oh this candidate has this opinion on this matter and I don't like that.
ld-cd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:26:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think most adults have more sophisticated opinions?
SplashFree ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:01:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's actually one of my kids who are taking super advanced classes... I don't remember the name, but at my old school we called it GATE. Her classes involve writing blog posts and debates and her parents aren't really political, so it wouldn't surprise me if she came up with it in her own.
CoherentFrost ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:49:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's totally what I would say.
Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 20:34:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just put the girl out of her suffering, both candidates will lead to a bad future.
DismemberMama ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:57:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But one worse than the other...
Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 21:07:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, both are terrible choices for their own uniquely terrible reasons. Which is the lesser evil is only based on your political affiliations
BroadcastSandwich ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:19:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
based on your skin color*
DismemberMama ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:23:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gonna throw in sexual orientation/gender identity as well
yomama629 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Vote third-party then, don't vote for someone just because you think they're not as bad as the other (but still shit)
DismemberMama ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:11:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering one is more likely to severely limit my civil rights, I feel pretty justified sticking with the two-party system for this election
yomama629 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must not understand how the three branches of government work if you think that one of the candidates can limit your civil rights. The lamestream media did a number on you if you think that's possible. If Congress didn't shut him down, the Supreme Court would.
What the next president can do pretty effectively is bypass the War Powers Act to start yet another fight in the Middle East (like Bush and Obama have done) or continue down a path of irresponsible economic deregulation as well as pretend that climate change isn't about to become the greatest single issue we face as a species.
Voting third-party shows that we, the younger generation, are against the status quo of politics in this country and that we are willing to change the entire game if it means that corrupt, irresponsible politicians are no longer in office. The "a third-party vote is a vote for the less appealing establishment candidate" argument is shitty and has no basis in reality, since it implies that one of the establishment candidates is demonstrably worse than the other (not the case) and it tries to discourage people from thinking outside the box. Voting for the establishment is supporting the establishment, no matter how you slice it.
DismemberMama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:26:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'd rather support the establishment for an election than risk someone like Trump getting into power. Also do you know how the three branches of government work? Because the next president will be able to appoint the next Supreme Court Justice, and probably 1 or 2 more during their time in office. Trump's list of candidates that he's released is filled with people who would happily rule to reverse marriage equality, or who will back up discriminatory laws like HB2 or the FADA should they be taken to federal court. Trump has also promised to sign the FADA into law should it get through Congress.
If you don't think one of these candidates is demonstrably worse than the other than you're probably just lucky that their bullshit policies regarding minorities won't affect you personally.
PM_ME_YOUR_PHILLIPS ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:57:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Trump will lead to a Dictatorshipesque future, so let's go Hillary! At worst with her, we have 4 years of a meh presidency, he'll fucking ruin the country.
Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:06:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not going to happen. The presidents words are not the be all end all, he could not take away any of your rights without both other sectors of the government agreeing with him, which is very unlikely. There's probably a higher chance that Hillary will implement a shitty law because her and the rest of the government have the same corporate interests.
waiv ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:15:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you know, the republicans already control the Senate and the House, and if he wins they'll probably get 2-3 seats in the Supreme Court in the next 4 years. If we had a Trump controlled Supreme Court 4 years ago Same sex marriages wouldn't be legal in the whole country now, Texas would've made abortion inside the state all but impossible and North Carolina would've enacted Racist voter ID laws. A Trump presidency would be extremely detrimental for civil rights.
Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:29:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump isn't a typical republican though, many of Trump's beliefs don't allign with most republicans in politics. Also, Hillary has ridiculous views on abortion and race issues as well, she believes aborting a baby the day before it's about to be born is acceptable.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:14:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you need the support of the House and the Senate if you have the support of the military?
Magister_Ingenia ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, do Hillary supporters actually believe Trump will stage a fucking military coup? And they call him a fear monger...
Sigmundschadenfreude ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:22:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need to stage a military coup to make life shitty for your country. You just need to do things like follow up on Donald Trump's statements which offer a low threshold to use nuclear weapons, destroying the naval vessels of sovereign nations if their sailors taunt your sailors, or even just start slaughtering women and children en masse if you believe them to be related to terrorists.
You don't need the house or senate for that. Just the military.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... no on the military coup, yes on him being a dangerous fear monger that calls for this shit:
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a49621/virginia-trump-fan-gun-office/
JackHarrison1010 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:13:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If this was said in the UK, old people would vote with the specific intention to condemn her to a bad future for having the gall to be a young person with an opinion.
RCS47 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:56:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About the Little Professor?
Take his name down, he has a future as a Party Whip in the House of Reps.
SplashFree ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:04:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I could post his picture. He's an amazing little dude, and I'm getting a lot of doubt but if you could see him, you'd definitely believe it.
RCS47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:56:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not doubt you, there is ample historical precedence of future leaders exhibiting leadership skills from a young age.
mjmannella ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:11:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL your girl student is Obama
Whelpie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:34:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also heard that he cannot be trusted.
dorkdiariesisforboys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
S E X I S T
SplashFree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's also 4, so...
dorkdiariesisforboys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:31 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
S T I L L
S E X I S T
T H O U G H
AtomicSamuraiCyborg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your kids are the BEST.
DownvoteIfuLuvHitler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:58 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that day is kind of a metaphor for what's happened in America these past 16 months.
skullminerssneakers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:42:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R/thathappened
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SplashFree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My workplace is very ahh...PC. I can't bring up holidays (even non-religious ones like Halloween or Thanksgiving-- technically I'm not even allowed to bring up MLK day or birthdays) without explicit permission from all the parents, let alone discussing politics with the kids. I'm supposed to inform parents when it happens, considering I have to be polite to her political preferences and all, but I didn't care enough and I thought it was funny, so I decided not to.
whitetrashNASCAR ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
alamohero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bad news: they're both liars
VampireSurgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically how all of my peers try to guilt trip me for voting third party. It isn't working.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad they don't raise that hillary = nuclear war.
Magister_Ingenia ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So is Hillary.
No, but thanks to the DNC playing dirty we don't have much choice. Both the giant douche and the turd sandwich are terrible.
diydsp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:45:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"yes, that's why I became a teacher, so I can spend 10 hours per day below median income with children ensuring their future is miserable."
BrownBirdDiaries ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:44:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a full-time sub working on my certification and oftentimes (because I was an English major) pick up books the kids are reading to start a dialog with them or see what's popular in YA. I also bring a goodie bag for the younger kids if they keep my Too Noisy Pro happy. This day, I was stuck in an upper level math.
Imagine my shock (here in the Free State o'Jones) to ask a kid what he was reading and it was the Divine Comedy. I went to the desk, reached in my bag, and brought him back a Moon Pie.
"Why?" He said.
"Son. Just cause. Just cause."
ShyAltBro ยท 930 points ยท Posted at 14:53:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no teacher, but last night my little brother told us not to vote for Hillary because she eats babies. Everyone lol'd. He also joked about how he is voting for trump.
-Mountain-King- ยท 165 points ยท Posted at 15:04:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How old is he?
[deleted] ยท 262 points ยท Posted at 15:22:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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11122233334444 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:44:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet he runs the Trump campaign for North Carolina or something
waiv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be the new guy, the last one resigned after threatening 3 staffers with a loaded gun.
JAKPiano3412 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:32:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't joke about it right now, the GOP headquarters there just got firebombed
danhern ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
who gives a shit
JAKPiano3412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you must be such a great human being. Seriously, people like you are the scum of the earth.
danhern ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nobody cares though. It didn't even make national news, nobody died, who gives a shit
JAKPiano3412 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if someone went and burned down Hillary Clinton's house, but she wasn't home, it wouldn't be front page news? Media bias at its finest.
Muffinmurdurer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone burned down the Democrat HQ in Delaware, do you really think anyone would care unless someone dies?
JAKPiano3412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it would be front page news with several opinion pieces on how this applies to Republicans being bigots, racists, eat babies, etc.
danhern ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary clinton is a prominent figure, nobody gives a shit about some fire in some building in a state that a majority of people in america don't live in and didn't kill anyone.
JAKPiano3412 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:43:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An attack on the state headquarters of one of the two major parties in the country. Would you care if the democrat HQ got bombed? Perhaps then you'd start blaming Republicans
danhern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh no apparently I'm a republican because nobody cares about your stupid fire
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:41:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the families of the people who died in the fire
waiv ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:05:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So no one since the building was empty?
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to the rats.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just said that all the staffers had gone home for the day!
BanEmilyxD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Due to voting laws in most states, he could probably still vote
acardboardcowboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phew
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am so happy your brother is still innocent. At least, that's what I gather from this post. Sorry, that was random, I just know way too many nine year olds that act 16.
qnepster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
<3
says-okay-a-lot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love you too, qnepster
shishamo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Peculiar_Name ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:08:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bent42 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:28:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So the mental age of Trump supporters?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. :)
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 18:15:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whats with all the trump hate on reddit? And every news outlet
gc3 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:53:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Donald Trump should stop the media from reporting on and quoting Donald Trump. The more people know about him, the less they like him. It's ruining his chances to win the election, which are down to thirteen percent. It must be a media conspiracy, led by a potty mouthed clown who pretends to be Donald Trump but is actually his evil twin.
deadbeatsummers ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The demographic of Reddit and pretty much everyone hates Trump.
There's no conspiracy. Everyone just hates him.
NiobiumGoat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:34:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See a correlation?
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:11:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a vulgar ass who says awful things that offend most groups of people who has stupid ideas that would be awful for America. Lots of people hate him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're on reddit bro. The most liberal site there is.
Martiallawe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:59:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's been going on for a while I guess.
In 5th grade (back in 2000), had a girl insist that Hillary & Bill abducted babies, killed them, and ate them. They also used older children (our age) in Satanic rituals to secure the 1996 election. Seriously, she had to be taken outside and lectured a few times because she would make very loud outbursts and start sobbing uncontrollably that she didn't want her baby sister to be eaten and would scream/screech that Hillary is Hitler and is trying to "holocaust her" (she didn't know who Hitler was, FYI).
Here we are in the middle of talking about the part in Hatchet where the main character butchers a bird and suddenly I hear "NOOOOOOO. HILLARY WILL DO THAT TO MY SISEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER."
Kinbaku_enthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably saw this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SSa9tTa0-k
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids' political views are always hilarious , sometimes insightful...
reallifelucas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So THAT'S why she's pro-choice!
BurpWallace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not kidding, my girlfriend was working in an office in 1991 and brought home a junk fax in which some anti-abortionist told a story about meeting Hillary Clinton and asking her why she didn't realize that supporting abortion was simply and unequivocally murdering babies. Hillary, of course, replied that she knew this and enjoyed the thought of babies being murdered. In fact, she ate murdered babies in order to remain young and powerful.
A few days later, my Catechism-teaching Catholic mother told me the same story, except she insisted that it was a member of our church with family in Arkansas who met Hillary.
Takeaway lessons: 1. This is an old campaign lie. 2. My mother is full of shit, so don't believe her pillow talk.
csl512 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/93kkEMIXu5s
Psudodragon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:14:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is wrong. Clinton's failing health prevents her from eating solid foods
waiv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She must be sick, you could hear her sniff in the last two debates.
Wait no, that was Trump.
Psudodragon ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:14:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its been confirmed that Clinton has dementia from syphilis
waiv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmed by Alex Jones I guess?
Richy_T ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on him. She only does it for the votes.
ThinkingInfestation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd vote for Hillary "baby-eating champion 1996-2016" Clinton!
Richy_T ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, you know the championship title is going to be held by some skinny Japanese dude.
ixora7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hes just tapped into that MAGA juice and ready for some 4D chess.
Hes just ahead of the curve man.
Fucking-Use-Google ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You may want to report your parents for child abuse.
Sysiphuslove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lilith 2016
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in 2003 I went to an iraq war protest in san francisco. My sign said "cheney eats babies!". There's still a photo of it somewhere...
sapiophile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if you're gonna be a single-issue voter, that's not a terrible one to pick...
Umikaloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Soldiers eat babies! That's a FACT.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:20:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ZDTreefur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:00:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's worse, infanticide + cannibalism, or incest?
I'm going to go with column A, Bob.
randoptmj ยท 910 points ยท Posted at 15:39:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not a teacher, but I worked at a school for a few weeks. There was this kid whose parents were American and we'd already bonded over the fact that my mom was American too (we live in Portugal). One day, the kid comes up to me and says "Do you know who Donald Trump is?" and I said I did. The kid giggled and whispered in my ear "My mom calls him Donald Trampa." Trampa is one of many ways to say 'shit' in Portuguese. I had the hardest time trying not to laugh.
Dragonsinger16 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:11:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am so stealing that now lol!
randoptmj ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:15:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have said that all the time since then, too! The hardest part was trying to tell that kid trampa was not a very nice word to say while holding back a giant urge to laugh.
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:37:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My buddy is a teacher. He had to reprimand a lad for saying "If you were an inch taller you'd be round", but not before getting a stifled laugh out of his system...
randoptmj ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:40:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's hilarious! Having to scold a kid when all you want to do is give them a high-five isn't an easy task.
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IKR. He had to double back and get the laugh out of his system while hiding around the corner. I love the mental image this invokes.
17Hongo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:22:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, how the hell teachers make it through the day without laughing their heads off is beyond me.
A friend of mine teaches Primary 1 (ages 4-5), and was reading them the story of the 3 Little Pigs. When she got to the "and he huffed, and he puffed, and he blew the house in!", some kid at the back said "The bastard!".
She had to step out for a minute.
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Christ! It's even funnier in a shrill distant voice.
17Hongo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:59:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was in a Scottish accent too.
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indian-Scott Danny Bhoy on the Scottish National Anthem.
I imagine it in that voice, now!
"Bas-tard!"
17Hongo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's basically it.
If you like Danny Bhoy, I suggest you check out this. He's on at 02:54.
Dan03-BR ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be unique to Portugal, never heard Trampa here in Brazil
randoptmj ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:28:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might be, yeah. It's usually like a more child-friendly word.
5678DH45E17MM36DD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:28:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So more like crap?
vhanyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:16:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
lydsbane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm suddenly wondering how Tampa got its name.
gansmaltz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:47:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tronald Dump
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Chump.
brojuststop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:08:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"one of many ways to say 'shit' in Portuguese"
lol my kind of language
avantgardeaclue ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that's cute
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald
TrumpTrampa (Translator's Note: Trampa means Shit).[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His mom is a real one
Surekill2599 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Drampa
bledou2 ยท 4251 points ยท Posted at 15:05:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump gets elected he's gonna send all the black people back to Africa.
Morjor ยท 780 points ยท Posted at 16:00:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We tried that. It was called Liberia and it wasn't that great.
atomfullerene ยท 312 points ยท Posted at 16:58:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#Make Liberia Great Again
jupiterkansas ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:27:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can't be great again if it wasn't great the first time.
zerrt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 06:28:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make Liberia Great For The First Time
banfromallsubreddits ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:34:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#Ebola2016
17Hongo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make Liberia Great in the First Place
magicsmoker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how hashtags work...
ictp42 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:21:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#That's not how hashtags work..
dingoransom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did someone say liberty?
unicorn-jones ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:10:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the whole I would call it pretty not-great.
BlindSoothsprayer ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:16:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make Liberia great again! it was never great
howitzer86 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:52:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A cursory look at the Wikipedia article would tell you otherwise. Before the 1980 coup and the two subsequent civil wars, it had a rapidly developing economy and a relatively high standard of living (for Americo Liberians). It was also a founding member of the UN.
TiberiCorneli ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 18:21:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason the coup and civil wars happened is because the political and economic system in Liberia was heavily stacked in favor of Americo-Liberians at the expense of natives, and in the 1920s there were allegations of forced labor that were credible enough the League of Nations sent people to investigate.
Sherlock_Drones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's crazy I never knew that. Only thing I remember from school about the League of Nations is that they sucked because they had no way to police their shit and for them to go to Liberia. Either your a liar or my school didn't spend enough time on them. We really did speed through everything between WWI and WWII other than the depression
redlaWw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy to send someone to investigate, but harder to impose a punishment on a sovereign nation if those investigations find anything.
TiberiCorneli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:08:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The League lacked much in the way of power for enforcing things and just kind of had to hope countries would go along with it (and they increasingly didn't by the end, which is why it failed) but it's not like it was just five guys sitting in a corner office doing nothing all day. A lot of the League's infrastructure was absorbed by the UN after WWII--the Palais des Nations, for instance, which is the UN office in Geneva, was the original League headquarters. And they did have some early diplomatic successes, like resolving a territorial dispute between Turkey and Iraq that granted Mosul to Iraq.
In the case of Liberia, the League's report actually caused the President and Vice President to resign in disgrace.
Sherlock_Drones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:37 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm that's really interesting. Had no idea of any of this. Thanks.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's always something that ruins an up and coming great country.
GiveMeNotTheBoots ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:00:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, founding the UN?
DocMjolnir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:02:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually yeah it seems pretty bad yo
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheGamerShamer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheeki Breeki V Damke Tovarishch
wee99001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just look at their flags: http://m.imgur.com/gallery/CNtgS
[deleted] ยท 3758 points ยท Posted at 15:23:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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kindaconceited ยท 1457 points ยท Posted at 15:32:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'll build a cruise ship, and we'll make the Africans pay for it!
Pikalika ยท 1199 points ยท Posted at 15:38:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The cruise ship just got 10 decks larger
SteelMemes1 ยท 803 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I make the best cruise ships
Darth-Pimpin ยท 648 points ยท Posted at 15:46:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Believe me
SteelMemes1 ยท 824 points ยท Posted at 15:47:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
untimely sniffle
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:46:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐ the best. ๐ Very best. ๐ We have the best cruise ships.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary would probably get her cruise ships from China.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chhainah , FTFY
FPSGamer48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, sir, I believe it is pronounced "Chiiiiiiiiiiinyyyyyyaaaa", please respect their culture.
BalmungSama ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:41:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Saudi Arabia, just like her money.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pinches imaginary air nipple
kindaconceited ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:01:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OCEAN WAVES CANT MELT THESE STEEL BEAMS
SteelMemes1 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:03:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate your enthusiasm. But I assure you, they can melt steel beams.
kindaconceited ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:04:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But can they melt steel memes?
SteelMemes1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only ones that use Impact font
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NOT WITH THAT ATTITUDE THEY CAN'T
Gutterlungz1 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 18:17:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just signed in to my account to tell you what a stupid comment that was.
Call_Me_Lord ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:18:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you feel accomplished now?
Gutterlungz1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldve just ignored it and kept scrolling. But that horse of a "joke" has just been beat to a red splatter. At the time I just felt like voicing my opinion on the matter. Sometimes just reading comments on Reddit Im like, god damn, what kind of idiot thinks thats a worthwhile comment or has any meaningful insight on the matter? "Some thing something steal beams! HAR HAR HAR!" wow, How creative and original of you...
Darth-Pimpin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How hypocritical of you.
Devodevo2002 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit! I watched the first debate and I didn't notice the sniffles but, after hearing people talk about it I couldn't not notice it during the second one, it drove me crazy!
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH !!!!!@
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary's cruise ships lack stamina. She has experience building cruise ships, but bad experience.
barnyThundrSlap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna be yUUUUUUGE
47-47-47-47-47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MY MICROPHONE IS BROKEN
Perky_Bellsprout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was confirmed broken, just fyi
Shallahan77 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:20:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody makes better cruise ships than I do
avantgardeaclue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's saying it
Sebas8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know it, I know it, everyone does
FPSGamer48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna be UUUUUGGGEEE
Vandergrif ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:16:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's gunna be YUUUUUUGE!
hypmoden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yuge
notjohndoetoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:56:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're yuge.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:08:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I know lots of captains. They're some of the best captains in the world.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People tell me they're the best.
radio_soldier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And everyone knows it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, yours don't melt.
fuckitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
modern day floki? Is that you?
jim5cents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huge ships, tremendous ships...believe me
TheFuckNameYouWant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone knows it. Everyone agrees.
BrownBirdDiaries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have always appreciated your work immensely. Last week when I went to Flotsom Paradise--whoo wee! Said to myself, "That Steel Memes, he sure as hell knows how to build a buffet service!"
spirit_spine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna be so good.
OAKgravedigger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better cruise ships than those who build cruise ships for a living
LordSoren ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does jet fuel melt /u/SteelMemes1?
Any-sao ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โฆthis ship is actually sounding nice.
McWaddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if we stack the passengers like cargo?
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:34:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a myth that blacks have larger decks
kaenneth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, but each deck is only 3 feet tall.
AllOurAckbar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pray I do not alter our agreement further.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's gonna be yuuuuuuuuge
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY.
Also I'm going to hell
MajorNoodles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:58:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not gonna fall for that one again.
Cursed_Froyo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*that was already a thing
frivolous_name ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he do that? I thought he loved The Blacks?
8ballSpeaking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was actually already tried by Marcus Garvey. He called then the Black Star lines.
wakingup_withwolves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it's gonna be YUGE.
Wasted_Weasel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt they will board the cruise.... You know, they have like really bad experiences on the past boarding big ships full of their keen.
Brandinon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that... reverse slavery? I mean technically, he's got BLM trumped
Riff-Ref ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/r_lqxfq8oUU?t=53s
mineymonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With blood and their first born son?
vulturez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This would be more funny if it wasn't an actually proposed deal in our American history.
riverdancingllamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the blueprint for the cruise ships. Construction is well under way. #MakeAmericaWhiteAgain
D1nk1n_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a great cruise ship. The best cruise ship. I like that cruise ship. It's a good cruise ship.
Justanaussie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're gonna cruise soooo much.
CODDE117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a lot better than that how they got here.
remigiop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they'll pay for the moat to keep all the Africans from sneaking into our beloved country.
UserNamesCantBeTooLo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they can't pay cash, maybe we can arrange some way for them to work off their debts on plantations for the rest of their lives for no pay.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck with that one
aravena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well we paid to bring them here. Seems fair.
PocketPillow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, some African countries could use the boost of educated Americans... they might be willing to pay for it.
AcesCharles2 ยท 261 points ยท Posted at 15:42:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students say this every day... they're in high school.
Excalibur54 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:04:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure poe's law doesn't apply here?
rock_n_roll69 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:48:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
for those that dont know
JackHarrison1010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Initially it specifically applied to creationism.
rock_n_roll69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I didnt know what it was until I googled it an hour ago
PursuedByASloth ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:53:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with middle and high school students, and I've lost track of the number of times my non-white students have asked me if Trump will kick them out of the country if he is elected. I try really hard to stay neutral when students bring up politics at school because I want them to develop their own opinions, but it's been tough this election.
AcesCharles2 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:11:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in a school that is 2% white. I agree it's been tough to try and paint a neutral picture this election.
Reddit_beard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:07:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It honestly isn't an equal picture for an institution with the demographics of yours. This election is an example of backlash from a dying demographic.
user1492 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could just tell them "no." There's nothing wrong with telling your students the truth about political issues.
PursuedByASloth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:18:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I do tell them! That's the easy part, because the answer is cut and dry.
tomdarch ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:31:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the honest answer be, "No, I don't think so, and many Americans would fight to prevent it, and while Trump hasn't specifically said he'd kick out any citizens, he is very inconsistent making things up as he goes along, and doesn't try to make his policy claims fit within what's legal or constitutional, so we really can't know."
ELFAHBEHT_SOOP ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:37:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, the more correct answer is "No, not if you're a citizen of the USA. You're a citizen if you were born here. Everything else is up for grabs."
rolabond ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If their parents weren't born here and had to be sent back the kids would end up having to leave as well if they want to keep the family together.
ELFAHBEHT_SOOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, but what sort of nationality would the child have? Mexican or American? Assuming they came from Mexico.
rolabond ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the parents where illegals from Mexico and the children born here they would be American but the kids would still end up kicked out de facto if the parents were forced to go back to Mexico. Where else would the kid live if left behind? Foster homes?
This actually happened to family of mine, the children did not come back to the United States until years into their adulthood.
user1492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parents can apply for legal status if their children are American citizens.
rolabond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I figure that is what would happen
Not sure what happened with my family, I think the father missed his family enough going back wasn't a big deal and his kids hadn't started school yet.
___Snoke___ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The parents should have thought of that when they illegally came into the United States.
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha
Snailic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:08:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you would be on one side or the other if you only told them the facts based on the candidate's positions. If it isn't something the candidate has said or posted, then you don't have to choose a side or make a position for the candidate.
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PursuedByASloth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it comes down to a lot of misinformation that gets spread around at school and online.
I should add that a majority of my students receive at least some special ed services. I often forget that they don't have a lot of the background knowledge that I take for granted. For example, I spent an entire period the other day trying to explain the differences between the democratic and the republican parties. I think my students were still pretty confused at the end.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
swallowtails ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I have many who I've tried to ensure that is not ever going to happen.
Mugilicious ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to stay neutral? Just answer their questions without adding your own opinion. It's really not hard
PursuedByASloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, I try my very best to keep my opinion out of the discussion, but there's a lot of moral gray area in life. I suspect you would not find it very easy if you were in my shoes.
OnlyMath ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's one Muslim in my school district and they refer to her mother as a "raghead" it's heart breaking how insensitive they are. But most likely it comes from home.
DVasky ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats not insensitive thats racist as fuck
GiveMeNotTheBoots ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Muslim isn't a race.
Stick with "insensitive" and "bigoted".
Not everything you find offensive has to be racist/sexist.
dl_man_71 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 18:50:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I mean Muslim isn't a race, but Arab, Persian, Pashtun, Turkish, Indonesian, etc are all at least least ethnicities, and the difference between race and ethnicity is mostly semantics. Both are social and cultural constructs and don't really exist biologically.
People use the "Muslim isn't a race" line so they can pretend their particular irrational hate of people who are different is totally fine and not racist at all.
Calling someone a "Raghead" is just as offensive as calling a Hispanic person a "Spic" (Hispanic is also not a race, but see above doesn't matter) or a black person a "Nigger". The point is that rather than judging someone based on their actions or the content of their character you judged that person based on the way they look or the culture they're from.
So yea, Muslim isn't a race, but that's not the point.
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Reddit_beard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They look pretty similar to a white fella from Ohio with a questionable education and no exposure to anyone other than white, questionably educated Ohioans
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No...no you can't. That is absurd. You use the word that is correct in meaning and doesn't lead to MORE confusion. You understand by letting the "he hates Islam or Muslims, he's racist!" crap slide you are just furthering the perception that Islam is a race? You are literally making things worse for everyone, Muslims included.
Use the word anti-Muslim bigotry.
Oh OK, so since I'm parsing it out I'm just a bigot according to you right? Dat logic.
There is actually. Ethnicity is related to biology as well as culture, linguistics, etc
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1467750
Your link didn't work but I suppose you meant to link this? http://www.livescience.com/33903-difference-race-ethnicity.html
Because this also supports what I said, not what you did.
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:52:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just seems like your typical naive White guy who doesn't know shit about Islam related issues and just parrots what he hears, I don't think he's a genuine apologist based on his post history. He is very ignorant though, I love how he tried to explain the difference between Arabs and Indonesians to you lol!!
SenorMierdapost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something can have both biologial and socially constructed origins. Often the idea of what constitutes a different ethnicity is heavily political.
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steel beams cabnttwf
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Hahahahahaha
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notLOL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here he is during the 1986 Ellis Island Medal of Honor ceremony sending off two of the best. Ellis Island is where cruise ships to Africa are onboarded
krakajacks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:50:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is a Trump supporter and openly says he wants black people sent back to Africa. I know that's not Trump himself, but he does have a number of followers who support that.
k_4_b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like Black people more than your Dad.
King_Drumpf ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 15:26:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But where's he gonna put the wall to block us from Africa?
lolmickjaggerlol ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 15:38:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Atlantic Ocean
Hartastic ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Atlantic Ocean just got 10 feet higher!
There's a global warming joke in here somewhere.
Etaris ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:04:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're gonna melt Greenland and Denmark is gonna pay for it!
izModar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just keep building up the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
joeny6591 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're going to dig a trench...
Egknvgdylpuuuyh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A want to see a wall down the middle of the Atlantic. From the sea floor to 100 ft above sea level. That would be impressive
DeathFrisbee2000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:23:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately due to a mix up, it's a fifty foot wall, but placed along the bottom of the ocean.
Akavy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:02:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wouldn't be the first to build an Atlantic Wall.
FairweatherFred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No wall, he'll start the Pan Atlantic Defense Corps and start building Jaegers.
columbus8myhw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mid-Atlantic ridge
DrZoey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just breed sharks with laser beams attached to their heads.
[deleted] ยท 363 points ยท Posted at 15:31:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then shouldn't he send the white people back to Europe? And all the Native Americans back to Asia? And all the immigrants back to their home country. In the end, he's gonna be pretty lonely.
lexgrub ยท 273 points ยท Posted at 15:44:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if we are two things. Do we get cut in half longways or shortways
[deleted] ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 15:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hotdog or hamburger style
Neufboeuf ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hotdog, since mixed meat.
Chameleon720 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you dare touch my hotdog
Uncle_Finger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you dare touch my hotdong
100AcidTripsLater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hamdog
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2016/09/21/Australian-hot-dog-and-hamburger-combination-hamdog-coming-to-US/6671474473115/
KeybladeSpirit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hut durger
http://www.rocketpower.wikia.com/wiki/Hotdurger
baabaablackjeep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've tried to use this so many times with people and they just never seem to understand what I'm asking! Has this worked for you?!
DownvoteCommaSplices ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not hamdog?
jayy_cero8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taco style.
noreligionplease ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:06:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just assume my gender?
Jeffrey678 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:34:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Southerner, We tried this already.
starsandtime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna get thrown in a meatgrinder and scattered across Europe and a small part of Asia
tigerlube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crap! Im 4 things!!!
liberteauxarboles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that Trump would decide based on the darker half.
Rikplaysbass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people prefer halving things Hamburger style but I'm partial to hot dog.
Flyingbluejay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, I'm 7 different things... RIP me
lexgrub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take a slice of you and keep it close to my heart. Or foot. Idk which part of me will be around it.
mycatisgrumpy ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 16:12:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White person here. Hook me up with EU citizenship and I'm gone.
tmpick ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:47:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy your one way ticket to Slovenia.
http://data.si/en/immigration-to-slovenia/
mycatisgrumpy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:15:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually sounds like an attractive option.
Jah_Ith_Ber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Second. I've wanted to move to Germany for over a decade.
midnightauro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I'll "go home" if they let me.
corndogsareeasy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. My family's Swedish on both sides. I'm coming out on top.
RedStag86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:16:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give this nation back to the Bison!
PocketPillow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't have native blood you must marry someone who does within the next 4 years if you want to stay.
kiddo51 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:24:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure he probably hates native americans too... so I'm not sure where that leaves us. Maybe nobody stays. Maybe he's just going to deport the whole country and be the only one left.
midnightauro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about those people whose great, great grand parents were native?
(Yes I know in reality that means absolutely nothing but in this crazy reality where we're all going home...)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:24:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the end everyone's going back to africa, because that's where homo erectus came from...
ChocolateGautama3 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:23:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going back to the primordial soup.
thelonelybiped ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about we just deport everyone back to the Fertile Crescent
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:49:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the native Americans stay in America?
B0Boman ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The prevailing anthropological theory is that they all migrated to the Americas from Asia over the Bearing land bridge during the last ice age. There's also some evidence that Polynesian sailors may have made it to South America at some point.
But if we're going to go that far, shouldn't we send all humans to the Great Rift valley where humanity is thought to have started in the first place?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:27:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean why even use our human ancestors? Let's all jump back into the fucking ocean.
But in all honesty I didn't know that and it's actually pretty cool, it wouldn't surprise me if the Polynesians did go to South America considering they navigated most of the Pacific. Never heard of the bearing land bridge though but it makes sense.
kiddo51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Evolution is another one of those hoaxes from the Chinese.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well maybe they'll evolve into lizards to combat their global warming hoax.
showmeurknuckleball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, good idea, make the GRV great again!
ViolentCheese ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:56:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They migrated long ago from Asia over the Alaskan land bridge
Toshiro46 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well technically everyone should go back to Africa/Middle East.
ipiranga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By that logic everyone should go back to Africa because that's where everyone migrated from.
ViolentCheese ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, for this hypothetical on that timescale, yes.
On a desperate, shorter timescale for native Americans it would be Asia.
Okay? Okay.
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ViolentCheese ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:15:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't know about the Native American migration so I figured I should just put it in words everybody knows.
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BlueFireAt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're immigrants too. They immigrated from Asia to the Americas. Just because they were the first ones here doesn't mean they aren't immigrants.
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BlueFireAt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
English settlers in Canada were also called settlers. Same with those in America. The land was occupied at the time.
tovarish22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were called settlers by the Europeans who didn't acknowledge the Native American claim to the land.
ViolentCheese ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay.
explodingdice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then rebrand the US as Trump America, the premier gaming and golf resort. It'll file for bankruptcy at the end of his first term.
FGHIK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he sends the fire ants back I'll vote for him
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG. Then I won't have to live in the same country as trump! TRUMP4PRESIDENT!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Folks, we're going to bring back mammoths. The mammoths are gone, but we're going to bring them back. You'll see."
geak78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll have a coke NSFW
soundsaboutWRIGHT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone would end up getting sent back to Africa eventually.
Thizzlebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And all humans back to the primordial soup.
gophergun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, if we're sending Native Americans back to Asia, seems like we may as well go the extra mile(s) and send everyone back to Africa.
Hamhamthemonkeyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the end doesn't everyone go back to Africa?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone would be back to africa then if you go far back enough
islandfaraway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Native Americans back to Asia"
Native Americans
SecretPerson1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if we're so caught up in our vitriol that we think he's a racist and hates all Mexicans but really he just wants to make sure we know whos coming in and out, kinda like we do in our own homes? I mean I dont know about you but I dont let people into my home that I havent vetted. Is there anything controversial about that?
PATXS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i hope he actually does this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty if he wins I wouldnt mind a free ticket home. Same for shillary though really.
McWaddle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:04:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the Irish.
saremei ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has never advocated sending any ethnic groups back to where they came from. Literally none. The only people he's even talked about that are ILLEGAL immigrants. People who have no legal right to be here. And blocking immigration from terrorist hot zones. Both completely logical.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's also an immigrant though.
henny_n_digiornos ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Native American's back to their native land of...Asia. Got it
Krickalicious ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying white people back to Asia
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WenchSlayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because when teachers talk politics they let their biases influence what they say whether they intend to or not. Sure, its easy to say that they should correct something this obviously false, but where do you draw the line? Where is the barrier between fact and opinion in politics, especially in this election where the facts don't seem to have any bearing.
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CyberhamLincoln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He'll need as many blocks as posible to build that wall, but maybe some black folks could do the labor.
That kind of work can't be outsourced to Africa though, so you should probably point out that error in the kids logic
SuperSocrates ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:50:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8 year ild son drew a line from Islamaphobia to Anti-Semetism and wanted to know if we were going to be kicked out of America.
I said "no". He started reminding me of times when Jews had been forcibly expelled from their homes and homelands. It was heartbreaking.
CyberhamLincoln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given that "Semitic" includes Arabic, your 8 year old son has made perfectly logical conclusion.
gimpwiz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given all (((this))) shit his supporters are posting, it's not exactly a stretch either.
johnnynulty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given the fact that L'Orange himself is saying an (((international cabal of bankers))) is rigging the election, it's not a stretch at all.
gimpwiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the "sheriff star" and the reference to the "fourteen words"...
Like, I know some people yell about anti-semitism at the drop of a hat. Some people equate criticism of israel with anti-semitism.
But we all know that Bush had nothing against jews. McCain has nothing against jews. Romney had nothing against jews. And they didn't really pander to their base who does.
Donnie... well... to be fair, we've only heard him make one jew joke, and he hasn't directly said jews were responsible. I mean, mexicans, muslims, black people, but not jews. Globalists and bankers, but not jews. All the other little things. But he's not on tape directly saying it. So... plausible deniability, I suppose.
johnnynulty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean...globalist is losing its camouflage as a dogwhistle, imho.
gimpwiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely.
It sounds like "we need to watch out for people who don't live here influencing our lives through business, monetary policy, and even condemning us for things they don't understand."
It seems to really mean "fuck china, fuck europe, fuck the jews, fuck the muslims, fuck the catholic church [usually], fuck russia, fuck em all."
With more or less influence placed on muslims and jews depending on who's speaking. If someone rails about globalists and bankers, what they really mean is pretty fucking obvious.
backdoor_nobaby ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:22:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well President Monroe tried repatriating former slaves back to Africa. Called the country Liberia for liberty, you know what these freed men named their capital? Monrovia.
This country is doing very well today and is poised to increase their GDP this year to that of my left nut.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slave trade re-re-remix!
methshin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We formed Liberia and by God we're going to use it!
IamTheShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a 50 year old grown woman tell me this at work
SvenHudson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are they implying that this is good or bad?
swallowtails ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach high school and a lot of my African American students say this. I tell them that it's not possible for something like that to happen. (I also refuse to tell them who I'm voting for, because I think that's not appropriate for a teacher to do.)
I just wanted to say it's worrisome to hear what some of these young men and women (Black, white, Hispanic, etc...) have in their minds about either candidate. Many of my students are only a year off from being able to vote (some bare months from being eligible this year) and many of them do not have a realistic idea of how politics or the government itself works. We need to focus on education!!
...Sorry about that rant. I will say, when kids talk about it, it's cute. A 6th grader in May was complaining about the bad lunches and said, "Oh, well that will change when Trump gets in." lol
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm just lucky, but at my high school we would have mock debates between history teachers' classrooms where we had to do heavy fact checking, learn public speaking skills, create opening + closing remarks, learn all we could about the other side's talking points so we could create readily available rebuttals. This was during the 2008 election and I was a sophomore in high school. I felt very prepared to become a voter and was so fucking ecstatic when I was able to vote in the 2012 election. My history teacher was the greatest. He made us so passionate about our country. My favorite thing was he wouldn't let us debate for just the conservative or liberal side throughout the duration of his class. He wanted us to learn about and argue for what opposes our own views to expose us to a variety of ideas.
Then again I went to a high school in the Massachusetts suburbs.
swallowtails ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also felt prepared to vote, and I feel that I do understand how our government works. As for politics, I feel like every person needs to do their own research... since you need to form your own opinions. Then again, I went to a school in NY in the early 2000's.
Now I teach at a rural school in eastern NC. Education is not valued here. Many students don't seem to have a desire to learn about their country. Additionally, the curriculum leaves out a great deal of things students should know about their country (such as the Trail of Tears).
phaneroniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, I've had kids say that Trump wants to imprison all black women.
KornymthaFR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct their misconceptions.
Kidbeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just have a coke then.
Ninjamoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in high school, I took the bus to school. One day we got a new bus driver, a white guy probably in his 50s. I don't know if he brought his own music player or what, but he was playing this song : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6tK2lYLiu0E
Awful words but it's so damn catchy
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that a real thing people were trying to get done in the like 1840s?
Hootbag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can imagine...
Gets off the ship. "Freetown - WTF? I was born in Trinidad!"
marksoutherntwain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do think he would say something like this if he ever did something about the muslims and Mexicans he's really worried about.
geak78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All my kids are terrified of this. I hadn't ever heard of it until 3 different kids came asking if they'd have to leave DC if Trump gets elected.
Roftastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*he'll send us black to Africa.
OompaOrangeFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this one too from young black students.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are the students saying this black?
letsgobruins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lauren Hill incarnate.
YessumMasa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called Liberia lol. Already said and done.
thephotoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he does, I'm moving there with 'em.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin (6, half black/white) said his (9, black) cousin told him that Donald Trump is going to arrest everyone who's black and send them to jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary fueled that rumor in the debate when she talked about the ten-year-old adopted Ethiopian child.
Lejkahh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I even see a lot of adults say this. It's crazy how the media affects people who never really research things themselves.
zoeypayne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was pretty much Lincoln's post-civil war plan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 20 year old sister said this just a few days ago while watching a Trump speech... and really meant it. :(
holdmehbrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love reddit because of comment chains like this lmao
SwingingSalmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably
parampcea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a platform many would support
LordofNarwhals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And thus Liberia 2.0 was born.
tcasalert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just parroting something they heard on CNN.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This kid must watch a lot of CNN
HelixLamont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here I come Ghana!
mugsybeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the result of media fear mongering and the DNC campaign to bash Trump... Sad. I guess we are all exposed to it. They are even astroturfing on reddit, Twitter, Instagram etc. Check out the Barrier Breaker 2016 project and look up the definition of astroturfing on Wikipedia.
FavoriteSocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yep, my niece is in 3rd grade and biracial and one of her white classmates told her that when Trump becomes President, she and other people "like her" were going to be made slaves again. I'm sure his parents are a treat.
creatingapathy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But is also preventing us from returning? Because if he's paying for my departing flight, I could finally afford that trip to Nigeria
weinerlicker ยท 4076 points ยท Posted at 15:28:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This is super off topic here, but somewhat related I guess? I had a government teacher named Mr. Adams in high school that in hindsight was amazing. I was in the class during the year of the Obama McCain election, which made things very interesting to say the least, and made such a great hands on learning experience that year. But by the end of the year and the end of the election, I STILL couldn't tell you whether Mr. Adams was a Democrat or a Republican or ANYTHING. He was an avid hunter which makes you think Rep, but some of his more heated discussions and topics made me question that entirely namely an unbending belief in separation of church and state. I even questioned other students on the grades they received, comparing that and the teachers notes on their individual opinions. He offered compliments and criticism equally on either side! I tried VERY hard to figure out what he was and he would never answer directly, instead he asked what you thought he was and thwarted every claim with a counter claim. I think it was very admirable remaining outwardly neutral and forcing the students to think for themselves. One of the best teachers in that ridiculously stupid school.
EDIT: haha! Mr. Adams was the name of my teacher! I changed things to make that more clear. Also I added a few other minor details. I'm so glad you guys know your past presidents so well! So far none of you have guessed the right school (whew! I'm still anonymous!) It is a southwest Ohio school, sorry to disappoint anyone.
If I HAD to guess his position, I would guess the same as most of you guessed, libertarian. But even then it's just a guess and doesn't quite seem to fit. I honestly think he was partyless, and he chose candidates based on how well they followed his interpretation of our historical documents. If I ever run into him I will beg him to tell me, I beleive he is retired now, so maybe I can wrest an opinion out of him.
Edit 2: I did what some one suggested and looked him up in the public voter registry! He has since moved from the area and I have no clue what county he would reside in now. I got my hopes up... and now they're crushed. The mystery lives on.
LighTMan913 ยท 1687 points ยท Posted at 15:42:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher like this as well. He was very good at playing the Devils Advocate and nobody knew whether he was a republican or Democrat. He always told us that once we graduated, if we brought him a Diet Coke and sat and talked with him for a while he would tell us
Pizza_Delivery_Dog ยท 666 points ยท Posted at 16:49:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Pepsi okay?
rolledmycaragain ยท 721 points ยท Posted at 17:05:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Republican
[deleted] ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:14:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diet Coke = democrat, for sure.
Micasin_shreds ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:28:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've never met my mom... which is kinda weird cause everyone one on reddit has.
Mujesus-Christ ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:31:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, have met u/Micasin_shreds' mom.
standish_ ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:32:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seconded, very nice lady. Makes good cookies.
zadreth ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:36:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did an incredible job sewing a button back on for me.
TalkToTheGirl ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:40:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She helped me stain a table just last week!
Angelbabysdaddy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She gave me some really great laundry tips a couple weeks ago. And some tips for the use of garlic.
Hack1137 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She gave me head.
GreyRobe ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a threeway with her and /u/Hack1137
zadreth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a sweet old gal.
BruddyMarvaris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love you.
obamasrapedungeon ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:33:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
confirm, she gave me herpes
FBIDIRECTOR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cannot confirm, Diet Pepsi is the choice of democrats.
NiobiumGoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PEPSIMAAAAAAAAAAN
NiobiumGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Pepper = Republican
aceman08 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing I drink Dr. Pepper!
CyclonusRIP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pepsi is definitely Democrat. I've never heard anyone in the south ask for a Pepsi.
Dev04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only if it's crystal Pepsi
darkfroggyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was the holocaust okay?
5passports ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:50:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was 9/11 ok?
CalamityRobots ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:11:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: my government professor told me about how two kids broke into a fist fight over coke vs pepsi during a debate
jsmoo68 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:03:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. not at all.
-d0ubt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that depends, is monopoly money OK.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Bob49459 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Commie bastard.
prodmerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he would've loved Dr Pepper
greenstarsticker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is $20 okay?
AnotherScoutTrooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would $20 be okay too?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say it's above average.
LegendOfPublo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never.
goaheadcarvell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you are obviously a communist.
Drizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Partial credit!!
Lying_idiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wtf, he asked for diet. Pepsi max, you heathren!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!
Jebediah_Blasts_off ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is cancer okay?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:16:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is monopoly money okay?
TheFuckNameYouWant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:56:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is monopoly money okay?
11122233334444 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:40:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is fake monopoly money okay?
brilliantlyInsane ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 17:22:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take him up on that offer. That's the kind of person you want as a lifelong friend.
ScottieScrotumScum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The strangest of things have happened over some Coke
MrBojangoUnchained ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like Station to Station.
rawrvenger ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:04:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And?!?! Did you bring him one!!!?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:24:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Psst, kids, get me some of that diet coke and I'll tell ya who I'M voting for president"
JazzyAces808 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My government teacher is currently pulling this stuff. I'm pretty sure I've got him pegged as a very moderate Republican who believes in bipartisanship. He also drinks six Diet Mountain Dews a day, so I'm not sure what I could buy him to get the truth...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:20:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Insulin.
JazzyAces808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:37:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't have diabetes, and he obviously won't get it from drinking sugar free soda. He actually needs all the caffeine, I think he's narcoleptic or something. (And the effects of aspartame are greatly exaggerated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf82FfX-wuU)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JazzyAces808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A study with a sample size of 17 doesn't mean much, and he does actually talks about that in the video at 4:42.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I said a small study. The video deals with cancer in the overwhelming majority of it.
Do you have any studies showing artificial sweeteners do not affect blood sugar or insulin production?
JazzyAces808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm afraid I do not. Just the word of that medical researcher in the video and his admittedly brief explanation of why it sounds so hard to believe.
roosevelt37 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:25:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And did anyone take him up on this very earnest-sounding offer?
h_keller3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait this sounds like my teacher where are you from?
TheThinKing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I second this. I remember this from my teacher as well
defiantKITTY ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thirded!
olegos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fourthed (?)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fifthed! I really should take him up on his offer..
Tomatofaced ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:17:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diet coke is absolutely the replacement addiction for coffee and cigarettes in the teachers lounge.
Thalmoz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Meeuwsen???
LowCarbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a band teacher named Mr. Meeuwsen, huh. He was very clear on his politics, though.
LesseFrost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My US government teacher was the same way. He always gave us good criticism on our political opinion papers no matter what our leanings were.
jbarnes222 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you never did? Wtf why not?!?
Toshiro46 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher like that as well! The difference is that he eventually did reveal that he was a libertarian, but as our us history teacher he was always dedicated to remaining neutral.
Bamlet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Moscow?
Ferfrendongles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many people like this, and no one ever listens to them.
Waitwhatismybodydoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Ihlbrock?
pickleman_22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to Sumner? Lol
DrewsephA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, did you?
prodmerc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like the US bipartisan system is retarded and people should vote based on the issues that the candidates promise to address instead of their party affiliation.
Nah, that can't be.
allonzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I...I think we went to the same school.
roflmaohaxorz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr Wilson?
starlightshivers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to Franklin? Because my government teacher did this to us.
freevantage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about your teacher but taking a butt load of philosophy classes prepare you for playing Devils advocate. I used to volunteer for the We the people program, where high school kids participate in mock hearings to talk about civic issues. This was back during the Obama vs Romney elections. I was told never to talk politics so I never did. Whenever we talked about any issues, I always focused in on the historical background and gave details from both sides. The kids actually thought I was crazy for defending Westboro Church for a while.
CrackFerretus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a teacher who thinks she's very good at hiding her political opinions, and thinks she's good at playing devils advocate, but she really, really, really isn't.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If we fucking find him, sure
WarlordTim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a prof like that. He was libertarian.
Ssgogo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP did you?
AdamsDJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget the mentos
ScrabCrab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why didn't you do it
PM_UR_SMALL_BOOBIES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had a teacher just like that, except I think his preference was Dr. P
Sherlock_Drones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. K from FHS in Orlando? Macro Econ teacher?! Sounds just like him.
dm117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Thompson?
tasha4life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dated a guy for six years and I still don't know.
awesomedude4100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why does every teacher love diet coke so much
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be a Democrat. Diet Coke is for commies.
MerryCherryBerry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you from Virginia?
Seizure_Salad_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jordan?
Probably not but my friend and I both made the same agreement with our high school Government teacher wince we graduated from college.
enter_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:48 on November 4, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Hosmer?
EGuardian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diet Coke? That's an inside Trump joke.
Any-sao ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My government teacher said the same as well (although it was end-semester, not graduating). He stumped the whole class... 'Cept me. I knew he was a Democrat from day one. And to prove it to the class, whenever he tried hard to be Devils Advocate, I would ask him a question that would push him into the corner. Just picking up on small things.
For example, he made us watch the Obama versus Romney Epic Rap Battle. I looked at the questions on the worksheet we were meant to answer, and I knew who he was voting for immediately. I guess my government teacher just isn't as good as yours.
jtljtljtljtl3 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:19:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My history teacher this year is the only history teacher I've had who I can't tell if he's a Democrat or Republican. Last year my APUSH teacher was great but I could still tell slightly tell that he was slightly Democratic. The other APUSH and AP Gov. teacher at my school is hardcore Democratic, and being in a more Republican area in a hardcore Democratic state lots of parents and kids complain to the school about it.
JoesusTBF ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:07:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My APUSH teacher was very much a Republican, not surprising considering where I live. The problem was there were only 3 or 4 liberals in the class of 20 students, so whenever he tried to start a political debate it went nowhere because no one wanted to debate against the entire class including the teacher.
Jupiterswrath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:30:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was my situation in most classes in Mississippi. Whenever a debate came up about either religion or politics I would keep my mouth shut because I still had to deal with these people for a few years, and it's impossible to debate an entire class of rabid conservatives who only know what their parents tell them(trust me, these are not the kind of kids to do their own research) no matter how valid your points are. Now I could do it in my AP classes where the liberal-conservative ratio was more equal, but never in my regular classes.
NotThisFucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Principal: "Darrel, I got another complaint from a parent. You have to stop pushing the liberal agenda on your students."
Teacher: "Oh, you mean another guy who works down at the chicken plant thinks he knows more than someone who spent six years studying politics?"
Principal: "Look, I don't want to get into this again, just stop telling your kids liberal stuff."
Teacher: "Well if I can't talk about liberal issues, then I can't talk about conservative issues either, from fairness. Now you have a social studies teacher who can't talk about 98% of American politics in an American history course."
Principal: "Are you threatening to quit your job?"
Teacher: "I think technically you just let a parent fire me because he doesn't like Mexicans."
stationhollow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except teachers can do it without coming off as partisan hacks...
Callawayc7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teacher sounds like an idiot. You absolutely can teach politics without influencing either side. How about teaching the kids critical thinking instead of telling them what to think? What a new concept!
commander_cranberry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These people just sound like independents who know each party has major issues.
TriscuitCracker ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:22:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a great teacher. Teach about both sides, good points and bad points and let the students puzzle it out. I had a history teacher that was like that. We had classroom discussions every week about various poignant topics and they were always interesting, and he would deliberately play devil's advocate even when he agreed with a person just to foment discussion and make someone see another POV.
Not_Bull_Crap ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:43:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: They were of a party other than Democratic or Republican
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:44:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a libertarian to be honest, they are great at trolling both parties.
Jupiterswrath ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:24:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly because their platform has some parts that are 900 miles out there from the two main parties.
commander_cranberry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:06:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if there are many historians who are libertarians. IMO western industrial history is the best argument against libertarianism.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One could also make the argument that Western industrial history is a great argument for libertarianism. Americans are still reaping the rewards of unregulated free market capitalism, it is the main reason our economy is the dominant one on the planet.
To answer your question, Murray Rothbard is probably one of the better known libertarian historians.
Not_Bull_Crap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given that the worst atrocities of history have all been carried out by states, history would be a pretty good argument for libertarianism.
Old_Runescape ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:22:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he was Libertarian?
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:51:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SoupOfTomato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:49:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You aren't smarter just because you don't align with a major party.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:46:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SoupOfTomato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're telling me that if I don't think Gary Johnson or Jill Stein are more fit for the Presidency than Hillary Clinton, I'm dumb and playing into the pockets of big business?
You might not like either major candidate this year, but it absolutely is possible for someone to not agree with you and not be uninformed.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:58:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:25:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...so, like Trump?
SoupOfTomato ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:07:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of all the Presidential candidates on the ballot in my state. I align most with Hillary Clinton.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SoupOfTomato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That has a chance of being President? Absolutely. Look, I honestly agree with Hillary Clinton on a lot when I read through her policy on her site. Maybe you can't believe that, but I'd have to actively look hard for very specific pieces of it that I might not fully agree with.
Is it unfortunate that our voting system naturally causes two parties? Yes. But you really are spoiling the election against yourself to go third party/independent within it. If we had ranked voting, maybe Clinton wouldn't be at the very top of my ballot. Who knows who the candidates would even be in that world. But I'm living in the political reality of the US and operating within it.
olieks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:07:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they already commented on the importance of not splitting the vote in the OP, why are you making this fuss?
Sdffcnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
False dichotomy. Also, good job saying libertarian without using the word. JOHNSON 2016!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Sdffcnt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you know what dilemma means. If you want to redefine words or trust folks who edit Wikipedia and redefine words all willy nilly, then they and only then they may be.
The libertarian party is the best party. Also, learn to take a joke.
oogachucka ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm did he look like this?
aeiouicup ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:50:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ken Bone - has he had his Obama 'hope' poster yet?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's selling those T-shirts online.
Dragonsinger16 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:09:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Democrats can be avid hunters too! A family friend is dem and hunter, he also is very about pushing fact over feeling.
You're teacher sounds like the ideal of what a debate/history teacher should be!
weinerlicker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:33:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I explained on another comment, I'm a hunter also. However I'm not committed to either party, or at least I try not to be. I TRY to maintain neutrality and just elect based on facts, numbers, and campaign arguing points. Statistically, AND based on the local demographic of the town I was talking about, it would be safe to guess a hunter is also a Republican.
bahgheera ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:49:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that was my first reaction too - "what does being a hunter have to do with being a Republican?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue that hunters are probably more likely to be liberal. They get lumped in with the gun nuts by most folk, but the gun nuts hate hunters since they are generally far less resistant to gun control measures. I mean shit, why would I need a 30+ round auto to take down an elk with one shot?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is a 30+ round auto?
Do you mean an automatic gun that has a magazine size of 30 rounds? Do you mean a 30 caliber or larger self loader?
Fully automatics are legal, but require a special tax stamp, a wait list, and cost tens of thousands of dollars and no one is commiting crimes with them. Semi automatics are 1 trigger pull is 1 bullet. Also magazine sizes are super variable. A rifle that can hold a 5 round magazine can also handle a 30+ round magazine.
With pistols this is more tricky. the magazine must always be the length of the grip, or you're going to have a weird gun. Impose a 3 round limit if you want, but because the magazines must be the length of the grip people can still easily modify them to hold more rounds. Currently most manufacturers making smaller magazines for certain states just put in a rivet that can be drilled out in a second or two. It just makes a new law that a criminal will break anyway.
As both a hunter and firearm enthusiast any bit of legislation in one direction threatens another little step, then another until my hobbies are gone. That's why any new laws are pretty hard line opposed by the community IMHO.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm from Michigan, lots of hunting Democrats here! One of my closest friends is a gay democract and an avid deer and duck hunter. He works in the arts too. Drove a pickup truck for a while. That's my America, everyone can be anything.
DubistPoop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk about where you live but I can just look up how people are registered through my local board of elections. If you just type in the persons name all their info comes up and when they voted
Packers91 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:28:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been confused as to why so many hunters and fishermen aren't really into protecting the environment.
WayTooFurry ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:27:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most are very active in trying to preserve the environment. I have yet to meet a hunter who is anti-environment at all.
saintsagan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy, I could introduce you to quite a few.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha i wish that were true everywhere.
my home state everybody :(
more reading: http://www.southbendtribune.com/news/politics/indiana-hunting-measure-pits-animal-rights-versus-gun-rights/article_95632ed2-1e23-5452-83f5-9dfca9948fc4.html
UncreativeUser-kun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... just based on the initial wording of that, it's rather confusing...
Like, "a right to hunt" made me initially think people are trying to supercede any hunting regulations, but what it said further down looks like it's intending to preserve the environment, so that future generations can hunt..?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's intentionally vague to make pro environmentalists think it's ok. Putting hunting rights into the Indiana constitution is mega retarded
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:17:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them are. My uncle is a rabid Trump supporter and he has also spent tremendous amounts of money on useless land to preserve the local wildlife.
You're never going to agree with one side on everything, you have to pick the issues you care about the most.
top_koala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks fptp!
ApprovalNet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:20:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the exact opposite of reality, as almost every hunter and fisherman is very pro-environment. The problem is they may disagree with the manner in which we protect the environment, think the EPA is a mess (kinda true), or have other more nuanced positions. But those hunting and fishing licenses go towards helping the environment.
299314 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:55:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many hunters do far more work for the environment than any city-dwelling liberal I know. And they'll support preservation of land and wildlife out of pure self interest if nothing else. Of course there's also total bubbas with balls hanging off their pickup truck, no stereotype fits everyone.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:42:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many, if not most are. Teddy Roosevelt was a major force for the national parks partly on such a basis.
skyflyer8 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many realize the government isn't the only entity with the ability to protect the environment
panzergling ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:10:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the actual reason.
Most hunters would be libertarian if they studied policies, but most don't give enough of a fuck.
Only_In_The_Grey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:37:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can fill in the blanks with pretty much anything and you can find someone that avidly believes it. I know it's hard to believe but not everyone believes in the same solutions even if they all agree on the problem.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:11:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's either go with the party that a lot of whom are not concerned about the environment or go with the party that might restrict or even outright ban guns, so it's not a win either way. You just vote for whichever is least likely to ban guns or destroy the environment I guess.
weinerlicker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have often wondered the same thing as well... "leave it prettier than you found it."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the almighty ecnomy is the single most important thing in the whole world. Jobs are love, jobs are life.
easttex45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must hunters are conservationist which is different than a preservationists.
McWaddle ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're sacrificing wildlife protection to keep their guns. They don't want them taken away again like Obama did.
Trainkid9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhat interesting, my government teacher is Mrs. Adams. Her husband Mr. Adams also works at my school as a substitute teacher
SpankyMinx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a very big advocate for adults taking that stance with kids too. That's how I was raised. I'd hear my mom refer to democrats and republicans all the time and when if ask her what the words meant she'd say "you'll have to look it up if you wanna know." As I got older, obviously it was clear that she was liberal but still. I also had a civics teacher in 8th grade who would always encourage me when I'd get into political arguments with other kids. My arguments would always be in defense for liberals so it was surprising to find out later in life that he was a conservative. I found it admirable that he'd encourage me even tho his opinions were different.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in gov right now... It's interesting, that's for sure.
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the best way to learn it. I don't know another way, lol, but it made it alot less boring than I imagine it usually is.
smiles134 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had a government teacher in high school very much like this. He encouraged all students to research third party candidates and see who they agree with and disagree with. Very nice guy
WayTooFurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did hunter scream republican? I'm pretty far left but I'm a very avid hunter.
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is copy and pasted from another comment I made: I explained on another comment, I'm a hunter also. However I'm not committed to either party, or at least I try not to be. I TRY to maintain neutrality and just elect based on facts, numbers, and campaign arguing points. Statistically, AND based on the local demographic of the town I was talking about, it would be safe to guess a hunter is also a Republican.
TheDarkOnee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best kind of teacher. Those who don't try to force their opinion on their students, but instead teach them the facts and expose them to the opinions of both sides. This allows the students to form their own political identity based on their own ideas and not just falling to one side or the other without any real understanding of why.
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Thank you! He was awesome.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a Civics teacher just like this in college. He was dope. We had a lot of really good discussions over Supreme Court cases in that class. Whenever the class started to become one sided on an issue he seemed to know exactly what to say to divide us up again.
RshAndRoulette ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Did you go to Fayetteville high school in Arkansas? I had a Mr. Adams in high school who is exactly what you described. I remember one time he got on a soap box about how to interact with cops (he used to be a cop if I remember correctly *Edit: not a cop, I believe he was a lawyer), and it was awesome practical advise. I didn't always agree with his views, but I definitely respected that man.
LarryLavekio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hes a fiscal conservative that believes hurricanes are caused by irregular weather patterns and not gay marriage.
sicknick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds libertarian to me lol
on2usocom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is how a teacher should be! It pissed me off in high school because my teacher was so fucking hell-bent on talking shit about push and the political machine and all that crap. She wore dreads and all to complete the stereotype.
It was all her opinion and only her facts. No refuting it. I could never try to have a middle ground discussion or inquire about the liberal side without getting a biased answer. Anything against her views was banned for the most part from being talked about.
stink3rbelle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like your government teacher wasn't that good if he didn't teach you that John Adams was a Federalist.
solusaum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a teacher like this as well. His rule was that if you came back and asked him after 5 years of graduating he would tell you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My government teacher liked calling us sheltered assholes because we didn't fully understand politics yet
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same with my government teacher Senior year
PuttyRiot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember being pissed because my HS Gov teacher gave me a C on an 'opinion' paper. I figured it was because my opinion didn't agree with hers (it was pro-death penalty, since she marked my paper all up with corrections and rebuttals to my perfectly reasonable responses.
Looking back, I realize she marked it up because it was clear I didn't do my research, because if I had I would not have been able to defend my position.
SillyFlyGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want Mr. Adams for president!
weinerlicker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, me fucking too, man.
Jabullz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could have been a libertarian. Or a independent perhaps.
TheFlashFrame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Best kind of teacher. I think it's kinda fucked up for a teacher to express his or her own political beliefs to a room filled with kids who see that person as the knowledgeable one who is teaching them the "right" way. Politics are so gray that it's impossible for there to ever be a correct answer to something. The only correct way to teach politics is to be utterly neutral.
APPaholic47 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a social studies teacher and I try to do this. With this election I initially would just talk about how bad both were but honestly it's impossible now to defend anything about Trump. I have just given up. We are learning about Facism and a student, who is am extremely conservative redneck type, popped up and said " that sounds a lot like Trump....." Then he just stared off into space. I could tell this was a moment of enlightenment for him haha.
rhymes_with_snoop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My government and US history teachers were next door to each other and were political opposites, and they would visit each others classes to give opposing views on current topics
BlueStarrise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bio major, and so out of all the years I've studied science, I've only ever had one teacher that was like that. He was 100% neutral when it came to ANY controversial science-relate topics.
Flex_Armstrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My government teacher actively attempted to convert Republicans to Democrats and succeeded with most. She was pretty shameless about it.
Random_Days ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in a World Geo class to a bunch of seniors, but he used to teach government, so it turns to a government class discussion a lot.
I cannot tell you with any certainty whatsoever which way he even leans towards.
Frictus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I majored in environmental science in college. It was funny that half our teachers were dem and very vocal about it (climate change is real, don't let the republicans tell you otherwise) while the other half were avid hunters and very repub. Very different opinions and unfortunately they were both very vocal.
nocimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took me too long to realize that Mr. Adams was your teacher, and that you weren't talking about either President Adams
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry! I fixed it!
Comrade_Dab ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! Mr. Montano did the same for us, and said he would only share his political opinion with students who invited him to their wedding.
Bear_Taco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was most likely educated enough to know that no one can choose one side and be satisfied.
Nastyboots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a smart guy, he was probably generally fed up with 2 party politics
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher very similar to this, but during a sociology course I had with him I was able to break him, he is so republican. I live in a small town, the kind where every girl who doesn't know what to do ends up working at a great clips, and there are just too many trucks. Because of this, most people think the same, and the school system isn't the greatest, but could be way worse. There's just no reason or drive for free thought. So take this, a class full of honor students, and then me, a kid who could be an honor student but just doesn't give a shit. It's controversial topic time, and students stand on a certain side of the room depending on their opinions on gay marriage (this was 2014.)
Now the ratio of "Fuck gays" to "What the fuck ever people can do what they want" would make you hate my school, and it was pissing me off. Finally some dumb bitch says "Well if two women can't have a baby together I don't think they should be allowed to marry." and that's when I saw the opportunity to do some damage. You see, my teacher's wife teaches math classes in the same building, and because of this I know that she's infertile. No kids, impossible for her to give birth. So my reply of "Well I guess Mr. X should find a new wife then!" did not end in me being punished, but him standing with the 75 percent of my class that are homophobic shits trying to take me down.
Lord-Malak38 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shit i wish i had teachers like that, mine are all easy to tell as soon as they open their biased mouthes
Almustafa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My government teacher defined a "liberal" as someone who wants violent revolution against the social order and then tried to claim George Washington was a conservative.
LoneLegislator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in 10th grade during '08 and my history teacher told us Obama was a practicing Muslim. My school overall was good though. Can we switch memories?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm jealous. My govt teacher in high school was crap. He literally told us to goto sleep if we don't want to listen, then he went into random tangents
Yeah_Mr_Jesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My civics teacher was like that. I asked him after I graduated, and he said he was registered Republican for about 10 years but had recently registered independent. He said he usually tends to vote libertarian if they have a candidate (like in state and local elections), but other than that he splits between Republican and Democrat fairly evenly. He also said he had never once voted Democrat or Republican for president. Usually, he'll go Constitution party or Libertarian for that.
He was fun in class, too. He would have one or two "filibuster Fridays" a month. Basically a kid could go up and start talking about anything they wanted. If they stopped talking for more than 10 seconds, filibuster Friday was over and we started a new lesson. We were, of course, able to tag out. My class never had a problem with it. The rules were what you were talking about had to at least make sense. No reading from any books. If you had a poem memorized you could do something like that.
Fridays were always reserved for a special topic. We would have normal lessons from the textbook on Monday through Thursday, but on Friday we would have special stuff. I remember like three in a row, we talked about the UK's government.
He was my favorite teacher senior year.
weinerlicker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's such an awesome idea! Kind of supports how fucking stupid, useless, amd counterproductive a filibuster can be too.
Yeah_Mr_Jesus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yessir. Also, it gave Coach C a pass on a lesson once or twice a month. Though I heard from the guys in one of his other classes and apparently he had at least one lesson on deck for when people failed to keep the filibuster going.
Kiarimarie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My freshmen year was during the 2004 election and I had a government teacher who was the same. Refused to tell us who he was voting for and gave no indication throughout the semester.
Since I was 14 and had no interest in being involved in the Bush vs Kerry discussions some of my friends had, my best friend and I were on the record as Nader supporters.
NakedHero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a university professor like that. I still to this day can't figure out where he falls on the political scale. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't vote at all and just believes in dictators. He was a history professor and I think he had no faith in the Democratic Process. I know he lived and taught in New Orleans during Katrina and he would often talk about the effects Katrina had on the area, He'd mock George W, He'd mock Obama. He'd bring up people with enigmatic personalities like Hitler or William Aberhart, and just talk for days about how they were leaders of people. Every class was always interesting and in the 3 classes I took with this guy in 2 years I learned more about the world and why things are the way they are then in the rest of my 25 years of life combined. Also I'm Canadian and I went to university in Canada.
Cannonbaal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if youve still missed his point, I don't think he wanted you to pick your own team, I think he wanted to illustrate his view couldn't be marginalized into one of two 'sides' and a bi partisan system is widely under representative of the variety of collections of beliefs we are each capable of.
leviathan908 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My government teacher was just like that. Apparently if you wanted, you could have a sit down with her and she would explain all of her political beliefs, but would also argue why people would disagree with her beliefs.
tzimiskes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea which school you could be talking about, but hello fellow Ohioan! I'm from southeast Ohio! :D
weinerlicker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hello!!!
cleverlikeme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most people I've met who study that field seem to hold the opinion that they're both about the same. Different packaging on the same ice cream.
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm starting to beleive that. That ultimately regardless of the election result, the outcome ends up mostly the same after the end of 4 years.
chihuahua001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr Adam's a bald black guy with a big scar at the back of his head?
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, older tall white dude who owned at least 180 different hunting themed shirts AND ties. Think older Ron Swanson, only politically mysterious.
JackBond1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher just like that. He was SO insightful, I really wish I could just go back and randomly hit him up and discuss politics. He's such a sarcastic cynical guy, I'd love to watch him facepalm about the current election cycle.
pac_pac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit, I'm not sure I remember a Mr. Adams, but I definitely went to a southwest Ohio high school.
DonnieTheGoodOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know you can figure this out on your own with very little information about Mr. Adams, right? At least in my state you can. Even if they're not enrolled in a party, it'll tell you that, with only the name, zip, and birthdate. Google "am I registered to vote" with your state at the end and let us all know!
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doing this right now!
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NOOOOOOOOO! HE MUST HAVE MOVED! There is no one registered in either county close to where he lived. Noooooo! This is worse than that "what's in the safe" post.
Aahhreallmunsterssss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit this describes my government teacher too
jojjeshruk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool but isnt this how most teachers are about politics? Everything else is worse
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience, unfortunately, no. Most were outspoken and would hit you in the face with it given any opportunity. I don't think it's that uncommon.
Shiftz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does a repub have to disagree with separation of church and state? I lean right slightly due to my economic belief and I agree with separation of church and state.
Paranitis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had an Intro to World Religions teacher in college that was the same way. Some super churchy girls would like to interrupt the class regularly by saying God wouldn't allow this or that, or how some thing someone is talking about shouldn't talked about because it's an abomination of God or some shit. But he would shut them down quickly with counter-arguments. Then when someone would get all preachy with atheist bullshit, he's shut THEM down with counter arguments as well.
MrTurdFergusson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you go to a small high school in western North Carolina? I had an amazing government teacher by the name of Mr. Adams as well.
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, Southwest Ohio! There have been several other people, and one other from NC for certain, that mentioned a second awesome gov't teacher by the name of Mr. Adams!
wareagle3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had the opposite for my US history, he was still real cool and taught us what we needed to learn perfectly but when it came to projects he began to show his true side. At one point he decided to split up the class for a little "debate".... on abortion. Now realize, this is taking place in a small town in Texas in the bible belt, what do you think happened?
So the "debate" was really 85% of the class on one side of the room with the rest on the other side. Most of them my friends and a few women who actually had kids. The "debate" started off with our teacher playing two videos that were anti-abortion and pro-abortion. The anti-abortion video was around 5 minutes long and the pro-abortion was around 2 minutes... this is where I could tell the teacher was not being fair here.
So, while people on the pro side cited several Bible verses and people on the anti side tried to come up with an argument with what they had (He kind of just put this on us suddenly) and I just kind of sat there slinked back in my chair trying to retain any cool I had left. I had nothing to say and I really couldn't say anything. It doesn't affect me anymore but back then after that happened I always ran it back in my head thinking of how I could add to the argument.
Anyway, your comment reminded me of how a teacher can go from neutral to straight up hard right.
weinerlicker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really disappointing. Politics are SO complex. It's easy to say that all involved should be more open minded but then that presents problems of its own. I try to stay as neutral as I can but even so I'm pretty immovable on certain topics. However, I WILL ALWAYS listen to and consider new information. At least your teacher got the basic workings into you guys, so you got that going for you, which is nice. Lol.
wareagle3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, he was perfect when it came to explaining certain subjects in an entertaining detail and overall making everyone interested in his lectures. He's that type of teacher where he would give a student extra points on a test if one of his lectures went on for more than 30 minutes; his explanation being that, "Most students stop listening after 30 minutes for most lectures."
It's just every project he brought up was garbage like "Create a bill" where you had to make a bill, explain it to the class and then get over 50% of the classes signatures to pass it. The only part that wasn't so great is that he made it to where if you didn't get your bill passed then you failed that project and also if you signed a bill that failed then you get 5 points taken from your grade for that project so there was a reason to not just sign every bill. Btw, at least 50% of those bills were drum roll ANTI-ABORTION BILLS!... yippee.
So pretty much everyone was guilt tripped into signing those bills while everyone else suffered. I made one about Anti-SOPA but that was at the time where it wasn't popular to the public and everyone was more interested in fishing, hunting and apparently anti-abortion... it was a weird year. One last thing I want to add to that project is that sitting through around 20 minutes of high school students talk about the cons of abortion is the most soul tearing and boring experience I remember from high school. It's so bad I think my brain blocked out everything from the speeches they brought up.
weinerlicker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:52:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How well informed high schoolers are (including myself at that age) is so embarassing. And they're all still struggling with their self image and figuring out who they are under everyone else's scrutiny. It is the worst time in your life to try and form important life changing potentially permanent opinions like these.
wareagle3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of these opinions are just coming from the parents or the place they were grown up in. I once get a weird look from a group I was supposed to work with (Yes, same class) when I said I didn't mind what hair style a woman has. I believe the assignment was to do these little mini-arguments from a list of questions that he handed out but most people just went the route of "We kind of almost all agree on this point to some extent, yes? Okay, move on." so I never really got my two cents out on some of the questions but they were all relatively tame from what we deal with today. But that hair one still gets me but one of them that REALLY gets me is the "Execution Debate."
Holy shit, this one still haunts me to this day just thinking of ways I could influence these psychos to not kill people. Now I know what you are thinking, "Texas and executions? Pfft, what's new?" No, this was very different. The class had to vote on a topic that we would debate on and one of the most extreme topics in my opinion was this; when a murder is guilty of a crime they will be executed the way that they killed their victim(s). A extremely large handful of classmates AGREED TO THIS LAW!
My mind thought it all through and all the extremely dumb flaws and gruesome accidents and incidents that could happen with a law like this and no matter how much some of us brought up that this was extremely stupid and weird law and all the flaws to it the supporters didn't even care.
BTW, I can't believe I told yet another story from this class. I never really realized how flawed this class really was until I began venting it out.
freshhorse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher like that was well, I was very interested in knowing what he voted for but I never manageg to figure it out. He was one of the best teachers I've had as well.
Bambam_go ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in Louisiana but was in gifted education classes all through high school. By junior year (2007-08) most of us did realize that we were all pretty liberal. And our American history teacher, she was great, but Republican as they can be. We would all banter back and forth with her everyday. It was definitely entertaining to be going through the primaries in her class.
HeyGuyReachForTheSky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My history teacher last year was like that, but I always felt like he leant liberal. Then we learned that he helped Sanders campaign for local office in Vermont a while back, so that was a giveaway.
Fecklessnz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, he was doing his job then? Remaining neutral, because teachers aren't allowed to tout their political beliefs to students.
weinerlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't allowed but do anyway.
dankenascend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the party, but I had a professor that was a high school teacher prior to getting his doctorate. When he taught in high school he was the faculty sponsor for the Young Republicans and Young Democrats. He would have them guess which he was at the end of the year, and said that most of them wouldn't get it right.
Lonewanderer08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:17:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher like that in our "religion" subject in school (ages about 16+ highest school(no university) "degree" (sorry i dont know the fitting word) in germany)
He talked about everything equally, criticised all and made his pupils think about it.
He didnt focus on the abrahamitian religions but talked about, atheism, pantheism, buddhims, sikhism, nature religions, agnosticism and so many more i cant even recount them all.
He was one of the best teachers i ever had, because he made you think about every aspects and consider every pro and con and he never said if he was christian, muslim, atheist or whatever:
Teachers like that are the ones that should be hailed as the top of their profession, maybe then some would follow in their steps instead of forcing their vies onto their pupils :(
nun_gut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously a democrat, though.
Callawayc7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL! Uh....no! I live in California where 90% of teachers are Democrats and most of them have no problems with imposing their views on us. This teacher sounds more libertarian than either party.
AlwaysChildish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was going to say, he's most definitely a democrat.
DreamTimeDeathCat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, I wish my gov teacher was like that. He's unapologetically conservative, and it definitely leaks into his class. He assigns articles about how democrats don't actually want to help people, they just want poor people's votes for money. Also things about how gay rights are oppressing religious freedom. The worst part is is that this is a small town, so these already ignorant, redneck kids (think, "your mom is your dad's cousin" type thing) totally buy into it. It's so gross.
KTDid95 ยท 8655 points ยท Posted at 15:20:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
6th grade student insisted that I can't vote for Hilary because, and I quote, "She supports SHARIKA law." I'm not sure what Sharika law is, but she was pretty stressed about it.
Edit: Ladies and gentlemen, I am fully aware of what Sharia Law is. I was simply making fun a small child's inability to pronounce and understand complicated political agendas.
King_Drumpf ยท 14812 points ยท Posted at 15:30:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She obviously meant Shakira Law. Soon, no one's hips will be able to lie.
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King_Drumpf ยท 892 points ยท Posted at 15:59:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Be wise and keep on reading the signs on her body.
Gristlan ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky that her breasts are small and humble so we don't confuse them with mountains!
KeybladeSpirit ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:31:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made string chart recently to find connections between all the presidential candidates and, mysteriously, it all came back to Shakira's hips.
definitelynotpetey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The big difference being that while her hips do not lie, the candidates most definitely do
KeybladeSpirit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The shocking truth is that all of the candidates' honesty was absorbed by her hips.
BobsBurgersJoint ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:40:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
AHHHH HA AALLLOO THE HUOPOSOSOS
rhinguin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:23:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHES ON TONIGHT
Valesparza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOLOL
yakalakkin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guy in a Chrysler 300 just passed by, playing this part of the Shakira song, while I read your comment. Is this a sign?
whiteknight521 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She did date the President of Argentina's son at one point IIRC.
Someguy404 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the hips dont lie...
6cody5 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:54:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try everything.
Mad_Hatter_Bot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The age of the hipsters
the_ouskull ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shakira has been playing dumb? She speaks multiple languages, has her own philanthropic organizations, has sold 70 million units world-wide, has a net worth in excess of 200 million, and has won 2 Grammys.
I wanna be THAT kind of dumb.
closest ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She also has a high IQ.
Eletheo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
False reports. Google it.
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the_ouskull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hips don't lie? Yeah. That's a lyric. What song is "playing dumb" in? I'm genuinely asking.
rim90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She has also spoken at UN
FallenAngelII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She literally sang a song whose lyrics included the lines "And I'm crazy, but you like it (loca, loca, loca) / You like that it ain't easy (loca, loca, loca) / I'm crazy but you like it (loca, loca, loca) / Crazy but you like it", you uneducated pleb! I'm sick and tired of the mainstream media hiding stories that they don't want the public to see! #shakiraislocalocaloca!
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FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes? She's singing about another woman and describing her as playing dumb. But when she sings about herself, she describes herself as loca (loca loca).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I missed that part. Sorry.
ReasonablyBadass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, didn't you see her "performance" as Gazelle? It was all there, in the signs, dude.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHARIKA NOOO
guy_threepwood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yvan eht nioj!
chad303 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's not exactly playing dumb. She speaks several languages and is reported to have an IQ around 145.
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chad303 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, I see. I didn't get the reference, lol.
xprdc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shakira is actually quite smart and speaks out about politics, though mostly those concerning to her home nation.
BrownBirdDiaries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS. Her hips don't lie, though, unlike everybody else's. Perhaps she should run on the "Honest Hips" platform. Whaddya think?
lyingdoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mamรก mam(3M ;"WSJ . ร MAM(3. 1?3;
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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lyingdoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, I pocket commented. Heh, sorry about that.
Rick0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a member of MENSA so she's got the intelligence for such a plot!
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RedditIsPeople ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:27:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man. My gradma's going through hip perjury : (
ihateyouguys ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:07:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was more like a law of physics. Like, "pelvises are incapable of perjury."
LegendofPolakachu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because her hips don't like doesn't mean hips can't lie
mechanical_animal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
by snu snu
Dropadoodiepie ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:02:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you can practice it, Whenever, Wherever.
tadpole64 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shakiras policy stance on the NSA
King_Drumpf ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:27:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Soy loca con mi tigre"
Her stance on animal rights
nerevisigoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All closeted she-wolves must be let out so they can breathe.
Sithlordandsavior ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:13:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, she meant Shuriken law. Ninja police.
nerf_herder1986 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, she obviously meant Shoryuken law. E. Honda will be appointed attorney general.
DieselFuel1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ace Attorney will be defense
GiveMeNotTheBoots ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Fine with me.
Have you seen those hips?
ss4444gogeta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit.
AhhBisto ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:49:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you cannot confuse breasts for mountains either. It's a very complicated law.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Detective: "Shakira law has taken the fun out of this job."
Maharog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, I think Shakira and Jude Law would make a cute couple
fezfrascati ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever, wherever? Or only on American soil?
461weavile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read it as "Shakira" both times until seeing your comment
CountDookusPizza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's such a beautiful liar
MehitsjustCharlie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know there's gotta be a person out there named Isses, with a cousin named Sharika, and a friend named Teqiyya.
airbiscuits_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's obviously SHARKISHA law.
SevensSea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No fighting
darkforcedisco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take your upvote and get out of my house.
ProbablyInebriated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Finally, a world with truth, integrity and a booty that just won't quit.
Jitzkrieg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where are Shakira's hips' emails?
skelebone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Let us dispel once and for all with this fiction that Shakira doesn't know what she's doing. She knows exactly what she is doing."
MagnuhmOh-pus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:36:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You deserve gold
f_bastiat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sign me up.
lewdite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooh baby
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they are starting to feel alright.
polkemans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hip crime will earn you a trip to the ministry of humps.
Panther_throwaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, she meant sharkisha law
qrseek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I, for one, accept our new sexy overlords
Zack_Fair_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Clinton would still find a way
dylanbob5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a clear talking point in the first debate
khem1st47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only politicians were hips.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lying hips are punishable by stoning.
snackies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why should your hips be able to lie? If you have nothing to hide what is wrong with taking away your right to lie with your hips?
jakeduhjake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if you're a US citizen the law applies whenever, wherever.
Folasade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omgoshhhhhhh that joke will keep me laughing for the rest of the year! Thanks human!
trainercatlady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But my hips have so many secrets! How will I be able to conceal them now?!
unibuckeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And thus, the politicians, used car salesmen, and entire marketing Dept's across our great country were silenced in one fateful moment.
JapaneseStudentHaru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big brother is watching those hips
Granfallegiance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All hips will be subject to extreme vetting!
FreemDeem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll defend freedom of hips til I die.
GustavusAdolphin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Do your hips swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?"
skullminerssneakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish i could gold
spankymuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Terrifying.
straighttoplaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Between that and taco trucks on every corner it actually sounds pretty awesome.
RyPhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Come on someone guild this
mexicono ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know...you could do that.
Another_juan_please ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary can make anything lie
Cookienomnomnomicon ยท 1837 points ยท Posted at 16:29:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enjoy your 200 "Shakira Law" responses
erwaro ยท 475 points ยท Posted at 16:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly felt moderately clever when I thought of that, and then... "oh, everyone and their dog is making that joke. Welp."
[deleted] ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 17:04:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you had the good grace not to post it after you realized...
MyClitBiggerThanUrD ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:26:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like the Cosmological Principle telling us that we are not special in the universe, so too does Reddit teach us we are not uniquly clever.
A_Suffering_Panda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:24:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didnt even realize that he didnt originally type Shakira until i read all the responses
hollth1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:48:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually misread it as Shakira the first time.
helloitslouis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got 300 "send it pussy"s the other day. My inbox is still trying to recover.
choloepushoffmanni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I was there for that! How are you and your friend now?
helloitslouis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit came to a circle! Hello again!
My friend and I are fine. He just said "awkwarrrd" to the gif and then the conversation went on as before. I think he referred to the gif situation.
william9045 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:41 on December 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahaha. I just saw the comment you made about 2 months ago. How are you and your friend now?
helloitslouis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:33 on December 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO I knew this would haunt me forever ๐ we're still friends, and texting right now, actually. He's making fun of my cat obsession.
william9045 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:03 on December 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PLEASE send him screenshots of your post xD
helloitslouis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:04 on December 31, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god that poor soul xD
2-CI ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read it wrong the first time and was really confused why people kept repeating the joke. Not that 200 posts of an obvious joke is much better.
DonOntario ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I want to make an obvious joke on Reddit, I do this:
I guess most people skip step 2.
Cookienomnomnomicon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better step 3 advice: make a comment about how many people are going to be making that joke (and proceed to reap in that sweet karma)
slimshadles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first right was sharkeesha law. SHARKEESHA NO!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Shakira Law something something throw your ass in jail.
Rachel_Peach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:13:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally read it as Shakira Law the first time and didn't get what everyone was joking about...
TrynnaFindaBalance ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shakira Law
APiousCultist ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah all the replies are just shakira, shakirrraaa.
SashaTheBOLD ยท 840 points ยท Posted at 15:31:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give the kid a break -- she just mispronounced "Shakira." When Hillary is president, an executive order will force everyone to listen to Colombian pop music.
stripey ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, as campaign promises go that's pretty good
DireBoar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I, for one, welcome our new cumbia overlords.
tack50 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:02:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention her football player boyfriend is pretty notorious for being a fierce defender of Catalonia's independence, yet he plays on Spain's national team >.<
JSBraga ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:49:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when Cataluรฑa gets its independence, Catalunian players will play in Catalunian national team. Everybody in Piquรฉ's situation does the exact same.
Also, that has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:59:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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JSBraga ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it will happen. Just a matter of time.
SummonTheDerp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same for texas /s
ss4444gogeta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And on the occasions where Cataluรฑa plays as their own team, all those players will play too.
neonmarkov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they were to retain their Spanish nationality maybe only the pro-independence like Piquรฉ would play in the hypothetical Catalonian team
Also Piquรฉ in particular is notorious for being independentist and talking shit about Spain while representing it on international events. That seems a bit hypocritical to me
JSBraga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's his chance of playing international NT football and Spain gets to have one of the best defenders in the world. It's a win-win situation. And he IS spanish. He prefers to be catalรกn of nationality. He's fighting to be. But he IS spanish, like it or not.
I honestly don't see the problem. He wants the world to have an independent Cataluรฑa, but the world isn't always like we want it to be and he knows it.
neonmarkov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:10 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I certainly wouldn't play to represent a country I disrespect, it's like say you represented Saudi Arabia because you were Saudi born (I say this without knowing anything about you or your political views, but I think you'll get the point)
JSBraga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:44 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, no worries, it was a good compairson.
Nothing is just black or just white. If Piquรฉ feels like he should represent the country he was born at or not only depends on him. Only he knows how much he respects Spain. And even if he hates the government or the way the country behaves, it still doesn't mean he shouldn't represent.
Bottomline: He is eligible to play; If he should play or not, that's on his conscience alone. If he feels he's not being a hypocrite, he must have his reasons. Only he knows how he feels.
Potatoswatter ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:53:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, good futbolista.
Oh.
Is that really defense at this point in the game?
ss4444gogeta ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:13:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also is a fierce defender in football too. And he's pretty good at scoring for a defender. We sometimes call him Piquenbauer
tack50 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I guess you could see it more like offense in that case XD
positmylife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then we'll know the truth about everything because her hips can't lie!
thephotoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay with this.
ReallyLikesRum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton is known to do the macarena at her rallies. Maybe she's going for a new vibe.
TrashMastiff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who needs to be forced?
thatvoicewasreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And eat whole canned chickens.
jb4427 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congress has to pass a law first for an executive order to enforce it
rocketman1969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than Beyonce
foxh8er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even mind.
TheFuckNameYouWant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would be okay with this as long as her hips don't lie the way that her mouth does.
FerociousOreos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd settle for a Colombian bride. Beautiful women in Colombia.
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'd be ok with that.
kuavi ยท 264 points ยท Posted at 15:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My only guess is that she's talking about a video she saw. I saw this one video where a fake reporter as a social experiment went around to supposedly Clinton supporters and said that Hillary was in favor of Sharia law and if they supported that. Many said yes but who knows if they are legitimate clinton supporters or not.
dankmernes ยท 423 points ยท Posted at 16:19:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Al those videos show is that people are reluctant to ask questions, want to appear intelligent, and feel that having any opinion is better than saying,"I don't know".
I've seen them for both major parties and green and libertarian.
It's a fun watch and makes you feel smart and corroborates your ideas of the "others" being buffoons, but it's just human nature, not political at all.
SoldierHawk ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:10:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it also doesn't help that they pick and choose the parts of the video they show, and edit out anyone (probably a decent number) who actually did know.
Grasshopper188 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:27:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. I wish someone would do videos like this, but actually show some of the ones where people got it right. Or at least keep a tally of who got it right and show it at the end.
SoldierHawk ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:30:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I used to be horrified by those sketches Jay Leno would do...I forget what he called them, but he'd interview people on the street and ask simple questions, and just get the dumbest responses. I honestly feared for the future of the human race when I was a kid because of it.
Then I realized it's a comedy show, and the funny/absurd ones are obviously being cherry picked, because it's not entertaining to watch someone answer "what's the capital of New York?" with "Albany" six times.
64bitHustler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my favorites was the Man Show segment where they asked people to sign a petition to end Womens Suffrage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_L5YH9Qlr4
kuavi ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:28:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. There's idiots voting for all the candidates.
KSFT__ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
neonmarkov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Humans and idiots are pretty much interchangeable anyway
Impriv4te ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
D_for_Diabetes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, there's idiots as all the candidates.
fatnino ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:08:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much the only people voting actually.
Sockpuppet30342 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:11:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just that, they also tend to edit out people who actually properly answer the question as well.
UpsetMuffins ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:21:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know that the people posting the video specifically picked out the idiots and not the smart responses. I always wonder who's dumber the people on the video or the ones that believe it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention all the people that just stare at the reporter and ask "are you fucking retarded?", which is to say, 90% of them, are not shown.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah those videos are funny as hell but I always feel bad for the folks (except the gregarious ones.)
However, there is this girl from my home town who I got to know fairly well because she and my a friend of mine spent a lot of time together. She was (they hung out around 2000) very dislikable in my opinion. Flash forward to about six months ago and a local news station in the town we all live in now was walking around asking people to identify Joe Biden. She couldn't do it!
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask the same stupid question to enough people, and eventually a few will answer it. Edit those few together and claim that's what everybody in the opposition said, and mock their stupidity. It's basic propaganda 101.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish more people realized this. So many facebook friends posting videos of "the other guys" saying stupid things, but it works for any group of people.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the Man Show, they had women sign a petition to end women's suffrage. People are really really REALLY stupid, and never ask questions because they're deathly afraid of other people thinking they are stupid.
quicksilver991 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They also cherry-pick all the responses that they want and don't show you how many people didn't take the bait.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I didn't know what something was I'd say I didn't know. It's not just human nature.
crosby510 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sure hillbot.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s
crosby510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think I needed it.
dankmernes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/๐
TheFlyingBastard ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:27:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I read "social experiment", I think of actors being paid by the creator to pretend to be random people who give shitty reactions.
the_knights_watch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't watch that one video on youtube about politics. You know the one where the candidate is a reptilian shapeshifter muslim feminist rapist right-wing left-wing racist sjw that's subversively endorsing the new world order of small government.
Then you get trapped into 'that section' of youtube. You'll lose an IQ for every video you watch.
theglandcanyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was the fake reporter on camera when asking this question? Because otherwise they could ask any question that elicits a "yes" response and later dub in this one. It's supposedly a common trick used in this type of video.
kuavi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but the clinton supporters could have been fake.
Grim-Sleeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You ask 100 people, tape their response, and then edit out the 98 people who said something even just moderately reasonable. The remaining 2 people said something outrageous, because 1) they didn't understand the question, 2) they wanted to be funny, or 3) they truly are crazy.
fuckitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do you happen to have a link? That sounds hilarious.
kuavi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Might not be the exact one I saw but same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKosd0xJadE
fuckitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dear god hahahahahhaahha. Thank you!
AustinCT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well a lot of people think the Obama administration and by extension Hillary Clinton are sympathetic to or at least passive in regards to Islamism and Sharia Law and if we're really getting into conspiracy territory Islamic terrorism itself, with the whole Syrian conflict a proxy war for Saudi oil pipelines and just the overall policy the administration has of dictator disposing/nation building in the Middle East, also looking at what's happening in Europe with the refugee crisis and the rise in violent crimes and overall Islamic extremist activity/terrorism and knowing that Hillary wants a 500% increase in refugees when half want Sharia Law- basically if this 6th grader listens to her parents talk politics I can see how she can make the jump from Hillary Clinton to Sharkia aka Sharia Law.
brickmack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, Trump has been claiming that Clinton and Obama started ISIS. At first I thought he was just being metaphorical (since Americas policies for the last few decades did create the environment allowing it to form), but no, he actually believes that Obama literally is the personal founder of ISIS.
AustinCT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure your first assumption was right, because he is being metaphorical. He's talking about exactly what you said, and how the way we fought and left Iraq created a power vacuum etc etc
brickmack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His later comments made it quite clear that he meant it literally. In fact shortly after the initial statement a reporter actually asked if it was a metaphor, and Trump explicitly confirmed that it was meant literally
AustinCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's odd because he constantly talks about the power vacuum and our failed foreign policy and our ties to Saudi oil and this country and that country, but maybe he really does at least partially subscribe to the idea that by funding rebels in Syria and supporting that in our fight against Assad and Russia we literally well Obama and Clinton literally created ISUS and our plan turned on us?
fielderwielder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:45:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, she's talking about something her parents taught her.
kuavi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would you know? You're not the guy I replied to.
fielderwielder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because little kids don't get their political biases from paying close attention to the news and forming evidence based opinions. They parrot whatever their parents talk about or tell them. This has been proven...but go ahead and believe she actually researched it and saw Hilary Clinton talking about sharia law and had any idea that was important.
wolfguardian72 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:56:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shakira Law? So we're supposed to Try Everything now?
danwroy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:49:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to make a bad joke but four other people already said it
alekzander01 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:02:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shakira law
Hips be upon her
KTDid95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The hips don't lie, but Trump and Clinton on the other hand...
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:33:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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tack50 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:02:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ยกEl muro se ha vuelto 10 pies mรกs alto!
8ballSpeaking ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:44:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cross between Sharia law and Zika virus
Ninjachibi117 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:58:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mosquito terrorists?
LaidUp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It means Wherever, Whenever, la tortura is going to happen
Jerryy_D ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:18:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You heard it from a 6th grade student, Hilary supports ISIS!
Ninjachibi117 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me you're joking.
picklebun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've been warned.
emiller659 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my friend have a joke very similar to this where we scream and yell about "cherry flavored" law and how it will be terrible if cherry flavored law comes about.
ixora7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We all could use some Shakira Law.
zelmerszoetrop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DisIshSucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Sharkisha law"
Angryhippo2910 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Up voted for the edit.
KoalaMcFlurry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever Shakira's law is brought up, you let your hips do the talking. Wherever you are...
RachelAusDE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least she didn't say Shakira law.
AntProtein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sharkeesha law
wonderfuladventure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She meant Sharia law!
KTDid95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... I got that. Thank you.
wonderfuladventure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your edit was very vague I just wanted to make sure you knew
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it, here's a Shakira playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6rP-YP4c5I&list=PL24918CD18B9A8F31&index=1
KTDid95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha! Yes! Best Shakira comment yet. Thank you.
Quantum_Ibis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, did you just characterize sharia as a political agenda, rather than a righteous and arcane religious tenet followed by aggrieved minorities? You're getting dangerously close to hate speech, my friend. May you elude imam Merkel's gaze.
Shadow_Of_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey sharia law is! sees edit nevermind.
Fountain-of-Youth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Contrary to the common claim, she actually meant SHURIMA law.
cake4chu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I support SHARKEISHA law
cornxpoan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary's hips don't lie...only about emails.
Often_Tilly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Waka waka.
roeravid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least Hillary is moderately liberal. Trump wants to record an album and make the Colombians pay for it!
TheIguanadonOfSorrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Sharika in Arabic actually means a company, like a corporation. So the kid wasn't too far off the mark, really.
TracerBulletX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the fucked up part is her mom or dad probably believe that and she heard it from them.
proweruser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure she didn't say Shakira law? Shakira law is where you have to testify in court with your hips, because your hips don't lie.
jesuisunchien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In high school I said "I don't like Hillary because she is a war hog!" and my teacher looked at me and said "Did you just say war hog?"
That was the day I realized the term was war hawk. I want to crawl under the table every time I think about it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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KTDid95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Even if they knew what it meant, I'm not really supposed to discuss political opinions with students. Also, it was about a minute before the bell rang, so I didn't want to confuse her any further with unexplained questions.
bogidyboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gee is there some sort of celebrity named Shakira or something
KTDid95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting this weird sense that she has unnaturally honest hips.
bogidyboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pelvic joints in question seldom bear false witness.
TsorovanSaidin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm concerned that a 6th grader doesn't grasp this stuff. I grew up watching the news though so maybe I'm weird...and it was a weird time. Watched the tower fall on the news in the 7th grade and grew up the rest of middle/highschool in the post 9/11 world
2muchcontext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHE MOST LIKELY MEANT THE SHARIA LAW.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood these edits - I just looked at your replies and absolutely nobody told you what Sharia law is.
drpantalones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like my redneck father-in-law.
Shari_A_Law ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You rang?
Elite-ness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only one who read this as "SHAKIRA" the first time around?
evilpancakeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:47 on October 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shakira Law-ley-law-ley-law-ley
HabitualSnubnose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible she meant sharia law
timeisstillmatic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:19:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:11:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you might be on to something here!
AndyDandy162 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as Shakira law and now I can't stop picturing Clinton singing Hips Don't Lie
StackerPentecost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My hips don't lie, but Hillary does!!!
ukrm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
clearly she meant "shuriken" law. Hillary's plans to create a secret ninja police force are pretty scary honestly, and the fact that no one is taking it seriously is even scarier.
TurboNY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you telling your kids who you're voting for?
KTDid95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't. They asked me who I was voting for, and before I could even give them an answer they were telling me what they thought was best.
TurboNY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha no prob didnt mean to call you out
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus. Her parents must be winners.
KlassikKiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She probably has crazy tea-party Fox News sheep parents. Or she found some such brain slush online. Infactual reporting should be made illegal.
KTDid95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Or at the very least, I should be able to, as their teacher, lead them towards more honest and reliable sources. Sadly, my school's policy is no political talk unless your the social studies teacher, and even then they are super limited with what they are allowed to talk about.
KlassikKiller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can ask her what news channel she watches? That can be interpreted as not politically charged at all.
KTDid95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could, but then what would I do with that information? I can't tell her to watch a different one. I can't tell her if the one she watches is bad. I just wish teachers' hands weren't so tied when it comes to teaching controversy in the classroom. I don't want to teach my students how to vote. I just want to ensure that they get their political information from well cited and unbiased sources. Is it so bad for teachers to want their students to hold more informed, adult opinions? Guh! Drives me nuts!
KlassikKiller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, wait until you get tenure. I've never seen a tenured teacher fired or disciplined at all for anything less than sexual harrassment.
KTDid95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. That's going to be a while, sadly. I'm still in my student teaching. Not even in my own classroom yet.
restless_oblivion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sharika in arabic means corporate. Establishment law. Fits the republicans narrative perfectly
satansheat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahaha sharia law would never let a women run the country. But sure the women president nominee is for sharia law even though her whole platform is how she is a women. I get that it was merely a child. But kids don't come up with ideas like that. Her father or mother was stupid enough to say shit like that around their daughter.
AlwaysABride ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah? Well I bet your 6th graders make fun of their teacher's inability to understand complicated political agenda's too. Enjoy your sharia law once Hilary wins!
Workaphobia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:47:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please kill more of your jokes by explaining them to dense redditors.
_oceanix ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:25:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sharia law is how muslims justify beating the shit out of their women
Hillary Clinton is practically owned by Saudi Arabia
Therefore
Hillary Clinton = bad for women
Pacify_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok
Ninjachibi117 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently A, you don't know much about Islam or Sharia law, and B, Saudi Arabia represents all of Islam.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Ninjachibi117 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me ask you something: Have you ever actually read the Quran? Or done any research on the empire of Dar al-Islam? How about the early Ottomans? "at least [Christianity] doesn't incite violence and encourage murder to get into heaven" (paraphrased) Well, one, neither does Islam, and two, it could definitely be argued that Christianity does in fact promote violence and other human rights violations. And finally, Saudi government isn't all that closely based towards the Quran and actual Sharia law, nor are all of their laws therefore part of Sharia. And for that matter, Trump is endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan but I'll bet you're quick to say he isn't racist.
nycola ยท 868 points ยท Posted at 16:38:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher - and not Trump/Clinton related, but politics nonetheless.
My 8 year old says to me the other day in the car, "Mom, I know a millionaire"
I ask, "Oh yeah? Who is that?"
He replies, "Katie McGinty! She's a millionaire who got rich from special interests and stealing from tax payers"
I said, "Is that good or bad?"
To which he replied, "its good for her I guess, but not for the people she stole from."
All of this was from a 30 second radio commercial he had heard on the bus.
As much as I didn't want to delve into politics with my 8 year old, I told him that people like Katie McGinty are politicians, and they help make laws of the country, similarly to the president, but they work with him. I then told him that a lot of bad people try to get those jobs and they tell a lot of lies to get them because they are very powerful jobs. I left it with "when you get older, just make sure you do your own research for politicians, and not just listen to what you hear on the radio, because they like to lie a lot.
His last line was "Why do we let people who lie a lot make our laws?"
Heart died a little there!
_pH_ ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 20:51:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My go to is, "because some people would rather believe a lie that makes them happy, than a truth that doesnt."
endearing-butthole ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:18:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do some people believe a lie that makes them happy, than a truth that doesnt?
odd_orange ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:25:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Because no one wants to accept the inevitably of everything dying and life being meaningless, my 8 year old boy!"
Pep3rino ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:06:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
some months later
"Mama, Papa, what'd I get for Christmas?!"
"Global warming and a trip to Korea and Iran after you finish high school."
rouseco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/I4oxrTSRkC0
_pH_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love Pratchett, rip.
That said, arguably there's a difference between a politician who says they'll e.g. close a tax loophole while being paid not to, and whether or not concepts like justice objectively exist or are lies we need to function as a society.
rouseco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We want to believe in the justice of the tax loophole being closed. It's the very fact we want to believe in justice that makes us manipulable.
FPSGamer48 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:19:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, that should be the Republican Party's new motto!
Republicans: Because I'd rather be told a lie that makes me happy.
commander_cranberry ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:18:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Because being an honest politician is terrible. They pay isn't great, you are personally attacked and there will be very passionate people for and against most issues so you often just can't win. And no one wants to fund your campaign if there's no kickback for them. Without funding no one has heard of you so they don't even consider you.
However if you are willing to abuse the position it can payoff well.
So because of this and many other issues it's usually only liars running.
LegendOfPublo ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:15:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little kids are smart, man.
ActualMerCat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:08:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Pennsylvanian. I hate those ads.
javaman83 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Pennsylvanian as well. I hate them too. I'm voting for McGinty, because I find Toomey reprehensible. I wish it had been Fetterman, though. I voted for John.
57001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every Pennsylvanian I meet hates Toomey. I'm glad we've all come to agree on it.
javaman83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad, who is a hardcore conservative, doesn't even like him, so I've seen it as well.
Tobans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't vote for McGinty based on some over stances.
redditProto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:24:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I'm from NJ and can't vote in that election, but I get all of the ads for it. Not a good situation.
57001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see the Toomey bike messenger ad?
ActualMerCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:32:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet. Can't wait./s
domin007 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:32:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, Toomey's really blasting those ads. I'm surprised your child didn't say that McGinty is going to tax their existence because of that one ad.
hwf0712 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I hate him for that.
CreatrixAnima ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:51:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how these guys try to pretend they're not like Trump... but really is there a difference between saying "Lyin' Ted," "Little Marco," and "Crooked Hillary" and calling McGinty "Shady Katie"? I guess this is the new norm.
Fourthspartan56 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:22:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing new about it, it has been happening as long as there has been opponents to denigrate.
garmonboziamilkshake ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 19:42:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Greasy Grok take best part of mammoth for his hearth, no want share with clan.
inyourgenes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:23:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved this
garmonboziamilkshake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I Krag the Axemaker and I approved this message.
chaun2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grok no good! I vote Cheesy Crunch. They only look the same outwardly, and on 96% of issues, but that 4% makes difference! He share mammoth with his cave, not whole clan.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:50:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Because we're too lazy to vote, we would rather feel smugly superior about how we're better than people who care about things."
Drizen ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:58:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. I live in Australia where it is compulsory to vote and the people who make our laws are liars too
Coming2amiddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:51:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What happens if you don't vote?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
If somebody has registered you and you don't vote, you get fined. My friends are pissed with me cause I never vote and never get fined. I just think it is completely useless and the entire system needs a change.
Coming2amiddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:33:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like my health insurance.
Drizen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood why people don't want to vote. It's not hard, you can grab a sausage sandwich and a can of drink to help out your local P&C, and it gives you a right to complain when the incompetent jerk (see Abbott) you didn't vote for gets elected. If it's not compulsory, you get results like Brexit where what the majority of the country wants, doesn't happen because they are all to lazy to take half an hour out their busy lives to vote. Not to mention if you are really busy, there are other ways and times to vote.
TRAITOR TO DEMOCRACY!!
(sorry got carried away there....you're alright)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I could go ahead and cast a vote for old joe who works at the bakery then I would go out of my way to vote.
I am not signing up to a system where I have to pick between already chosen candidates.
Drizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that but I also can't stand the thought of people making the decision for me, especially when I read in the paper today that the popularity of One Nation has soared since the election
Drizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If we can't provide a valid reason, we are fined $20 (I think it should be more) and if we don't pay that fine, it is increased to $180 (+ court fees) and if we don't pay that, we can lose our license to drive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Drizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, it's compulsory to register too, there's just no way to monitor it (supposedly)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds right and considering I haven't received a fine in the 6 years I've avoided it I don't think it is being monitored.
Drizen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I highly doubt you will receive a fine if you aren't registered. You should register and vote though...even if it's just for the sense of community and the sausage sangas
yomama629 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the special interest groups who run the lamestream media constantly shit propaganda down our throats and we're supposed to obey like good little dogs and vote for the establishment. Thankfully, the rise in support for Sanders and third party candidates amongst the younger generations shows that this is going to change.
Ballsdeepinreality ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you already covered politics, economics and law. May as well cover psychology as well.
Supersamtheredditman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because those who lie together, die together.
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We allow into law propaganda, then let a person pay millions and millions of dollars into online propaganda machines to "correct the record" a la Stalin adjusting history to fit with the current politician who is owed their rulership, because to speak out against them is asking for suicide by bullet to the back of the head from 10 paces, or a harsh drop workout at the gym with no spotter, or a wetwork pool party by the vineyard.
MortalShadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back to your safe space, trumpette.
Drizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? I love talking politics with our 7 & 9 year olds
Coming2amiddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with him.
Phoneking13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know him, but I have a lot of respect for little man.
sibtalay ยท 11164 points ยท Posted at 15:59:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher. One day over the summer a couple neighborhood boys, maybe around 10 years old, came to my office. I have an office dog, so if it's slow they can hang out for a bit. One of them asked me who I was going to vote for. I said I don't know yet.
Boy 1: "Well I want Trump to win."
Boy 2: "No way! He was to send our friends back to Mexico!"
Boy 1: "Oh yeah, nevermind."
TheodoreOso ยท 4951 points ยท Posted at 16:31:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's sweet in a weird way lol
Anozir ยท 283 points ยท Posted at 18:20:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda funny how this parallels people against gay marriage until they know someone who's gay
[deleted] ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 23:01:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why people need to be exposed to as many different types of people as possible. Humanity is generally not empathetic to those they do not know. That's also why most larger cities tend towards the liberal side, whereas out in the middle of nowhere, in the small towns of nothing but 100 matching people, you will find more of all the -isms. Exposure is key.
theoddowl ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 23:24:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like when you're socializing new puppies: the more experiences, the better.
sockgorilla ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:36:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dog used to bark at black people. Socialize your dogs people.
top_koala ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:54:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shih tzu the means of pug-tion?
Noelwiz ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:49:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is almost impossible to connect to "seize the means of production "
top_koala ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:12:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So it IS possible. I thought pug-tion was a bit of a stretch, but when you got your chance you take it.
sockgorilla ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:52:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That went over my head, thanks for the clarification.
notwearingpantsAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:48:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's one way for black people to know you don't have any black friends even though you keep dropping that factoid in a conversation/debate.
sockgorilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no friends, so I would never use that factoid. Checkmate
Guyon ยท 1188 points ยท Posted at 17:09:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trunk is so mean.
Vladimir_Pooptin ยท 127 points ยท Posted at 17:27:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trunk will save us from sharika law
[deleted] ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 17:35:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Vladimir_Pooptin ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:36:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and disable inbox replies already. See ya folks.
the_giraffe_ ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:38:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP inbox!
EDIT: Thanks for the gold!
MrDrLtSir ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:09:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, giraffe... I see you
DogAddiction ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:17:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid long horses
choloepushoffmanni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too many references. Can't. Keep. Up.
Ewulkevoli ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not with those broken arms you can't....son.
GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you do that?
udbluehens ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:59:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trunks will save us from Mecha-Frieza
ShwayNorris ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:59:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see this now
Iowa_Viking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I've come back to make the future great again."
GenericMan92 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:28:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Shakira Law
TundieRice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hips don't lie, Donald Trump does.
DjTooDank ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:17:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2meta4me
TheodoreOso ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:27:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
me too thanks
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:36:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is supposed to be from 2spooky4me right?
Because every time I see it, I think of 2 fast 2 meme, gone in 60 memes etc.
Zebramouse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Donald Trout
tandeg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let Trunk people get married, eh?
trainercatlady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trunk people have already had 3 marriages. Let other people have a chance
whosinthetrunk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I should have never released him.
GiveMeNotTheBoots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Duck is a mean drunk.
AbortionBurger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol my four year old says Donald Trunk too. I freaking love it, it's adorable.
Leooel9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a politician.
Androoh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So meta
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So meta
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2meta2fast
McDodley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2Meta2Furious
Yodaskool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M E T A E T A
fuckingriot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's So Meta Even This Acronym
jondough23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2meta4me
Girfgin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Knock knock it's meta o'clock
blindminds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so meta
rdudejr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M E T A
E
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A
Koolaidguy541 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2 meta 2 fast
AllegedCactus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:38:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2meta2fast
Momosabonim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3meta10fast
-Shift- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2meta2fast
King_under_the_hill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meta intensifies
Semaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
M E T A E T A
merqurycitymeltdown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3meta5me
pickleman_22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meta
Wenderbeck ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to be comment meta. Good try
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:36:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't have any non-white friends, though...
buffalo_sauce ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:54:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're ten meaning their brains aren't even close to fully developed yet, so I think they can be excused for not fully comprehending an abstract idea unless they can put it in concrete terms they can relate to. Adults who think this way on the other hand......
A_BOMB2012 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would also be racist if they assumed that just because one of their friends was Mexican that they were an illegal alien.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, though, I'm not sure Trump makes a distinction between legal and illegal.
A_BOMB2012 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He makes it very clear that legal immigration is allowed. He talks about a "big beautiful door" is his wall.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:52:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to his wanting to get rid of birthright citizenship and his plan to prohibit any Muslims entering the country.
A_BOMB2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's only for children born of illegal aliens. His ban on Muslims entering the country is not that different from what Jimmy Carter did. Ultimately he would probably not be able to ban Muslims, but would end up banning anyone from a list of predominantly muslim countries, which is fully constitutional and legal.
Chemlab187 ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's justice in every way, FTFY
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:12:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely justice to pull children out of the culture they were born and raised in and toss them into Mexico because of their parents. What makes you any more entitled to live here than them?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually way more fucked up to me. I feel like that's where the "he's one of the good ones" mentality comes from
marksoutherntwain ยท 1260 points ยท Posted at 17:08:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an early South Park episode.
llosa ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 18:40:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's strange and amazing to me how much everything in this thread sounds like a South Park reference
secsual ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:03:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Matt and Trey claim to have spent time actually thinking about how kids talk to each other. Their point being that it's often not as innocent as parents would like to believe. South Park is an extreme version of what's out there, so it should sound similar.
jaytrade21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Standard version in some aspects. Kids really are like this, most adults forget, but the North remembers.
Fr33_Lax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But does the north remember the Alamo?
jaytrade21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Pee Wee Herman....
derp6667 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck them all to death!
struggling_father ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:17:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sent Kenny to Mexico! You bastard!
UFFL ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:00:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I miss when South Park used to be like this
inb4 "member"
ictp42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
member when Kenny always died?
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marksoutherntwain ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:49:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit dude!!
MintyFreshNipples ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:47:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Early South Park captured the voice of the average 8 year old so perfectly it's crazy.
r3loaded2013 ยท 993 points ยท Posted at 17:03:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those kids thought through his policies in more depth than many adults of voting age.
phoenix2448 ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The logic is simple but its there
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because some adults have the misfortune of being riled up by the term "anchor babies"
commander_cranberry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:12:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like Trump has policies. He contradicts himself constantly. No one has any idea what he'd really do in office, including him.
baconboyloiter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Trump has like one or two things that he really cares about and he makes up the rest of his policy as convenient. "People don't like the TPP? Well, I am going to be staunchly against it." Even the stuff he cares about are really just philosophies and aren't actual policies.
r3loaded2013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only his supporters could perceive that.
Jupiterswrath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adults of voting age see that life is not like what they were promised and so look to someone to blame in order to feel better about their circumstances. It's been that way for a long ass time and I doubt it's going to change anytime soon. That said it's a stupid ass though process that hurts society as a whole.
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SuperSocrates ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:33:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the law?
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rox0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:33:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting that they aren't currently being deported? Did Obama put an end to ICE?
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that case, you have nothing to worry about. We already deport illegal immigrants and have border controls. There isn't anything ground breaking here unless you are suggesting wasting billions of dollars doing something ridiculous about it.
rox0r ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:01:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You let me know when we decide to arrest all of the bankers that actually imploded the economy and really lead to all of the lost jobs. I'll wait.
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Sssgth ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:21:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Trump's pretty damn rich too. Why isn't he part of "the machine?"
VtArMs ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:24:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he only got a small loan of 1 million dollars
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Ramhawk123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
We don't have his tax returns so we don't really know how much money he really has
letsjustsee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
14 million dollars.
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Sssgth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's also a nativist, protectionist authoritarian.
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Sssgth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:43:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He literally supports barring people from this country based upon religion, and formerly desired to revoke the citizenship of anchor babies.
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are one of a few (modern) nations that allows people to own assault rifles. I could compromise amending the constitution for "anchor babies" if we can also strike the 2nd amendment while we are at it. I don't want to fully change either one of those, but if that is what it takes, i'm willing to compromise. Are you?
He's using a term you'll understand. I didn't realize that anchor babies is a massive problem in the US.
Just like it doesn't make any sense that nearly anyone can own an assault rifle.
Sssgth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it better to send 8-year-olds who don't know a lick of Spanish back to their "homeland?"
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The millions of dollars it would cost to change this would heavily out weight the benefit of doing this. Why should we waste so much money on such a silly thing?
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You dodged the question. How much do "anchor babies" cost us? I'm not certain I believe that illegal immigrants are a terrible cost either (if they have fake SSNs they give free money to the gov't) but i'll let that go.
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This above is where you are talking about so called "anchor babies" and amending the constitution -- something that would never pass anyway. It seems like a HUGE waste of money to attempt amending the constitution for this if you can't quantify the benefits.
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that would be judicial activism!
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rox0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. I don't think judicial activism is very common (or at all). I think ruling in the absence of an actual legal case would cross the line.
Sssgth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:58:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with open borders? The economic benefits would be substantial.
OSRS_Rising ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is against the law -- but it's gotten to the point where deporting them just isn't logical and frankly, a waste of time.
It's a problem -- but it's grown to be an 11 million+ people problem. Deporting just isn't a viable option.
In my opinion, blanket amnesty on every illegal immigrant here, easier path to citizenship/permanent residency, and a 1-2 grace period for the undocumented immigrants to register. Couple that with increased border security (not a silly wall) and I think the end result would be the only people who would actually be entering illegally would be those who we actually don't want.
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OSRS_Rising ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:24:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well from what I understand, the biggest loophole is work visas. Very tired right now and don't feel like doing a lot of research, but I'm pretty sure around 70% or so (please correct me if this is wrong, I just remember hearing this number) of the illegal immigrants we have simply got a legal work visa and went off the radar when their visa expired. I think focusing on how to make that process more airtight and encourage people on work visas to remain on the grid and find better ways to penalize those who overstay their visit would be much more effective than a wall. Now, how would you enforce that and what kind of loopholes would you close? Not gonna lie, I have no idea. This isn't an area that I feel comfortable talking about since I don't know a lot about it.
If the "work visa loophole" or whatever you want to call it could be addressed, I think the illegal immigration problem as a whole would be greatly reduced.
lunaerisa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:03:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You... you are aware of basic American history right? You know, Native Americans? And then Europeans just storming in and claiming the land is theirs all of a sudden? No...?
You ever stop to notice that WE'RE the original illegal immigrants?
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lunaerisa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha wow
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:03:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most other industrialized countries have free moving labor to go along with free trade which effectively solves almost all the problems free trade makes when used on its own... sooooo no... not exactly.
HiltonSouth ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The native americans didn't really have well defined borders.
lunaerisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The implication being... once you put a border around something, it's yours? Solid logic.
HiltonSouth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By definition, yes. You can't act like the us stole something if no one claimed it in the first place.
lunaerisa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:48:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you realize you're just straight up imposing foreign laws and ways of thinking on them and refusing to recognize theirs? Like you sound like the villain dude in Pocahontas lol. If they were here first, their view of who owns what IS the law, by default. Otherwise some illegal immigrant could just come in being like "Oh no, this is mine now. Because OUR LAWS say so, and yours don't count."
HiltonSouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:43:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
might is right
alph4rius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So therefore any illegal immigrants who can make it stick can stay?
alph4rius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Terra Nullius is dumb and you should feel dumb.
wigsternm ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:48:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't have a flag! We have a flag.
HiltonSouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you say the us stole something when no one claimed it in the first place
baconboyloiter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I assume that you have never jay-walked or went over the speed limit? Law is more nuanced than you would like to admit. Also, even if we decide that it is wrong, there is many other solutions to the problem besides deportation. We could fine them, give them a work-permit, make them pay lots of taxes that benefit you, then eventually give them citizenship.
hawkin5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except America made parts of Mexico unstable by having one way border controls which allowed a lot of weapons to enter Mexico contributing to deaths in violent drug gang wars. It's a similar fashion to how they import arms into the middle east and indirectly cause instability and violence (terror) there.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:39:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So we should accept illegal immigrants (criminals) because some of them are our friends?
Ebscer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:21:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We should accept immigrants, because they are people.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:24:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...we do.
Yulfy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:34:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but what's an office dog?
sibtalay ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:36:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I take my dog to work. He just chills. People like him.
Yulfy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:51:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhh... That sounds really cool! :)
the_undine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like a catbus but a dog and an office.
cubbiesnextyr ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 17:28:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son has basically said the same thing. He doesn't want Trump to win because his friends across the street would have to go back to Mexico. I told him that's not true for a lot of reasons, mainly because the kids across the street were born here. Just because they're Mexican, doesn't mean they're from Mexico themselves.
NotThisFucker ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 17:57:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Son: "Yeah but do you really think Trump understands that?"
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a feeling that he doesn't, and were he to become president, Hillary would not be the only one jailed to satisfy his ego.
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Synergythepariah ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:50:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or because the crime she was investigated for required intent.
She would have had to be caught saying that she was leaving the server insecure so that it would get broken into.
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Synergythepariah ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:37:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PRN [the people managing the server] were told that HRC didn't need emails older than 60 days and to delete them.
An employee didn't make the retention policy change and deleted them to cover his ass because he didn't do his job properly.
This happened despite the fact that PRN had received an email from Clinton's former chief of staff that mentioned the investigative committee's request to preserve emails.
So, what could they have prosecuted Clinton over?
Because it's already been investigated. We've already wasted lots of tax dollars investigating something that's nothing more than shit IT policy and Trump wanting to do it reeks of him going after political opponents.
OSRS_Rising ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:20:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah thats alot of words no way im reading that
when do we get to LOCK CROOKED HILLARY UP TRUMP 2016!!!
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Jacobinite ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:59:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Trump is on record saying he would rollback citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, so just being born here isn't enough, you need to make sure their parents were naturalized too... No idea if this idea is transitive, so if the great-great grandparents were illegal, I wonder if you'd be deporting 80 year old Americans.
BurpWallace ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:35:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is unconstitutional, of course, but I doubt Trump knows what that means.
crazyjkass ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:28:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 2012 Republicans on national TV were talking about repealing the 14th amendment.
cubbiesnextyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Trump can say he's going to do whatever he wants, but we're not in a dictatorship yet. The SCOTUS would still have to agree with it and that's when the real fun begins. What if a POTUS Trump simply ignores what the SCOTUS says and orders his departments to do it anyway? Andrew Jackson did that and we put him on the $20.
Synergythepariah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if a POTUS Trump appointed a bunch of justices that feel the same as he does?
And if Congress doesn't do anything about it because they'd face an election loss if they don't fall in line.
It's like the tea party all over again. Sane people went crazy to stay in office.
cubbiesnextyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a risk I'm willing to take because if people disliked it enough they would elect the people who are against Trump. If people were OK with it then we get to live in the type of country we deserve.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their quality of life will fall if their (hypothetical) undocumented parents get deported.
cubbiesnextyr ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their parents aren't illegal either. The grandfather might be, but I have no way of knowing one way or the other as I've never bothered to ask (cause it's none of my business really).
BurpWallace ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:31:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their quality of life will fall if they're constantly getting hassled by the police to produce proof of citizenship.
loki1887 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:53:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or if we just allow the "stop and frisk" nonsense to push through. because fuck your 4th amendment rights, especially if you're black or hispanic.
Reed_Solomon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:29:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That basically encapsulates what people think trump says vs what he actually said.
[deleted] ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:46:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know who you're going to vote for? Legitimately asking, what could either one possibly do to sway you one way or another at this point?
sibtalay ยท 291 points ยท Posted at 16:59:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I know. I'm a liberal voting for Hillary who would have prefered Bernie. I wasn't in the mood to discuss politics with 10 year olds. If they said something to their parents about my vote, there's a 50/50 chance they'll get offended. Never in the mood for that, especially as a business owner in a small town.
Slightly off topic. Back in 1996 I went to a Catholic school. One of my teachers got asked the same question, and she said leaning toward Bill Clinton. Parents started calling her at home to bitch about abortion and sex and stuff. She wasn't fired but was told not to talk about politics. She gave a talk to the class about why she can't talk about it anymore. It was a shame because she was the best one there for discussing current events and political issues.
El_Minadero ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:06:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've the same problem with the kids I tutor. They're just so dang curious!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:33:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My politics teacher was excellent at staying neutral. She taught me politics for 3 years and I still do not know what her own views were. I even asked the kid who had her house on his paper delivery route (I also had a route from the same shop) and apparently she got about 6 different newspapers daily, covering the whole spectrum of bias.
protozoan_addyarmor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:19:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
then why are you commenting in this thread
sibtalay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they brought it up.
protozoan_addyarmor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was a joke, lol
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NoBruh ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:04:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TheRealRaiden ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:06:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Can't tell if troll or just an overall shitty human being.
EDIT: I was responding to a now deleted comment claiming that, because OP is a Bernie supporter, "you don't need to be intelligent to teach".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's the difference
sahmushie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the "Not a teacher" bit. And just because you disagree doesn't mean the other person is stupid; namecalling doesn't achieve anything.
HillaryShitsInDiaper ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 17:18:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, anyone voting for Clinton at this point is either an idiot or ok with criminal evil. Both are terrible.
InvadedByMoops ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:24:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then I guess anyone voting for trump is an idiot or ok with sexual assault and an easily manipulated president, eh?
SuperSocrates ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the heaping dose of fascism.
El_Minadero ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:06:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow, why don't you take your assholery somewhere else.
theivoryserf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the monosyllabic fucking fascist chimp Trump is the intellectual's choice, naturally. Also, your dumb name is missing an 'A'. Cretin
Grim99CV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't one of your traits.
SevenWeeksOnReddit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:41:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he just didn't want to influence the kids or just doesn't care for the responses he could get.
InvadedByMoops ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:22:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They probably do, but talking politics with kids is a good way to end up with angry parents screaming in your face.
wintersage ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:59:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've known who I'm going to vote for for a year, but tell people I'm undecided. After all the ragging I get from my parents to vote Trump, I don't want to invite the same behavior from strangers.
hungry_lobster ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that awesome how kids take information and make/change their decisions. Us adults are so stubborn for our "team" to win we'll let them say and do anything and we'll still vote for the mofuggers.
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A friend of mine is not a citizen (she's from Europe) railed on me about my decision to not vote. It was dumb of me not to think about what would happen to her if Trump were to win. She was brought here when she was really little and does not know her country's native language. If she were forced back, she would lose everything, including her career.
If there is a reason to vote despite how trashy this election is, it's for the neighbors, friends, and family who cannot. So for her, I'm voting for Hillary, even though I am SOOO tempted to write in "Giant Meteor", just to shit on this election.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:04:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Naive children. Those illegals are going to steal your paper route.
NotThisFucker ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:58:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in my day, you couldn't steal something that was willingly given away
Jupiterswrath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like parents of this generation are going to let their kids do paper routes.
brickmack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of my main considerations. A decent chunk of my friend group are (or are closely related to) illegal immigrants. Theres no way in hell I'm moving to Mexico or Guatemala or Burma/Myanmar or wherever they all came from.
daveblu92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:11:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's too bad adult Trump supporters can't be swayed away this easily.
I believe The Daily Show went into this the other night. Trump could tell his supporters they all had to f**k pigs, and there were people at this rally that said they'd still vote for him.
Danyol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're basing your political decisions off 10 year olds' opinions and not knowing the difference between legal and illegal immigrants, maybe it's not everyone else that's stupid.
daveblu92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:15:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just refer to the most recent daily show to see what I'm actually referring to.
PuttyRiot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1) I love that you asterisked the F-bomb. 2) I saw that episode of Black Mirror! 3) I genuinely think you are right. Even if audio leaked of him calling his supporters ugly moronic f@gs and people like my dad would still defend him.
I think a lot of people are loathe to admit that they were wrong. Conceding this means conceding that everything they defended before now might be wrong, too. With people like my dad it is sheer stubbornness. My dad's response is ALWAYS, "He's just joking. No one believes he will build that wall. No one believes he is going to send out the Syrians. And HRC is a LIAR!"
So much cognitive dissonance in one sentence.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean Clinton already openly called them deplorables.
PuttyRiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do they plan on voting for her?
TempAlt0 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adult Trump supporters understand the difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants.
daveblu92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all. It's embarrassing actually. I truly wish you were 100% right.
TempAlt0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guarantee that there are more anti-Trump people who think Trump wants to deport legal Mexican immigrants than there are Trump supporters that think that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you call INS since they are conspiring to hide illegal aliens?
Secretly_psycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the mouth of a babe...
phoebe81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my son said something pretty similar to this. My kids are white and go to a school that is 85% Mexican so many of their friends are Mexican. There's a lot of anti-Trump sentiment that's rubbing off on the kids, obviously. (This is an elementary school.)
Dango_Fett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And everybody clapped
ActiveShipyard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about your slow dog.
ChesameSicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know yet?
mborotnguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does your dog have to do with this story ?
sibtalay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's why the kids come over.
SniperNinja97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh oh. You meant if it's a slow day at work
CanolaIsAlsoRapeseed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mexican friends are the best to have. Whenever you go to their house you're treated like family, which means free mexican food. And if anyone ever picks on you, you have an entire crew to go jump them.
byecyclehelmet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't want to send their friends back to Mexico, unless they got here illegally.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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sibtalay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the point. The kids probably have no idea if their friends are legal or not. They have no idea how immigration laws work. They watch TV and see Trump constantly talking about building a wall, criminal Mexicans, deportations, so on. The kids do know they have friends who are Mexican, and they like them. Don't want to risk it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:51:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Adorable haha
Jelese111 ยท 6166 points ยท Posted at 15:34:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not a teacher... But husband's cousin's daughter (6yo) said to me on 4th of July "I hope the bitch crooked Hillary rots in hell" I told her it wasn't nice to curse. She said "Oh no my daddy said it's okay as long as it's about the bitch". Oh...
Edit: Well this blew up. Yeah he isn't the best dude. Though he "prides himself on being a good dad and teaching his children the way the real world works and not sugar coating things" the first time I met him and his kids his daughter was 4yo and asked where her grandma was his reply "I killed her. Now she's in hell". That's when I knew I didn't like him.
[deleted] ยท 589 points ยท Posted at 17:49:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a cable guy. I heard three kids ranging from probably 5, 14, 16 talk about who they would vote for. The five year old screamed Trump, because Hillary is eeeeeeeeevvvvvvviiiilllllllllll.
Her black father was not amused.
Jelese111 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:57:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh lord.
imatoiletbowl ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:21:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh LAWD!
Jelese111 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:29:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your username had me laughing for twelve years. I'm actually a child.
Secretly_psycho ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:44:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
EVVVVVIIIILLLLL. Damn it sponge bob?
Nueraman1997 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:09:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely read evil in Mermaidman's voice.
Nature17-NatureVerse ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:30:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every Villain Is Lemons
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about her asian father?
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 19:26:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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proliberate ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 21:06:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just want to let you know, you're not getting downvoted because of CTR shills or whatever, you're getting downvoted for being an intellectually dishonest cucknugget. you know perfectly well DotaTAway was referring to Trump's extensive, blatant, public racism, not the GOP's extensive, blatant, public racism.
Smug_Thinker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:08:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for Correcting the Recordยฉ!
Muffinmurdurer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for not contributing to the conversation!
Christopher10 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:28:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you did? (I know I didn't, but I'm not the one who complained)
Muffinmurdurer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm. I guess you're right.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's alright it's just karma, bud.
jroades26 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:14:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure I'll accept the unbiased opinion of username proliberate. Who is so obviously going to make a biased statement he has to clarify it with saying he isn't ctr.
The above poster was being downvoted for taking something funny and making a political statement. Now you've doubled down.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:21:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RepliesOnlyToIdiots ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 00:23:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here, let me state the obvious for you by googling Trump Racist FAQ, which is a handy list, though frankly birther in chief is enough of a memory refresh to know that.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4r2yxs/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is
Yellowben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhโฆ have you not hear him basically call all Mexican rapist a while back?
420blazer247 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:10:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I dislike trump. I don't recall him saying all Mexicans.
Yellowben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most Mexicans? I honestly forgot. But I know he said Mexicans were rapist
420blazer247 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:36:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was talking about the ones who came here illegally
Yellowben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh.
pangelboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
420blazer247 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of context, sure. But he was talking about the iligal immigrants in this county, not every mexican in this country.
pangelboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to you. We only have Trump's words to go on. He immediately goes on to say:
Nowhere in this statement does he specify they're illegal immigrants. He instead says they're "not the right people." Trying to clean up his words is a generous thing of you to do, but I'll take him at what he said.
mjmannella ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:42:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Hilary's shady behaviour is so much better
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people have literally shot themselves in the foot before.
[deleted] ยท -90 points ยท Posted at 18:30:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what her fathers color has to do with anything.
Oh right liberals have been brainwashed into thinking trump is some horrible rapist pedophile racist
underco5erpope ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 18:34:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By reading his own words? How horrible
[deleted] ยท -64 points ยท Posted at 18:50:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha, whatever you say man.
TheCatofTens ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 20:20:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could look past your snarky, passive aggressive words of Par-For-The-Course political side bashing in response to comments pointing out Trump's on the record statements...
...But coupled with your username, I find it incredibly hard to take you seriously.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My heart breaks to hear that.
freshthrowaway1138 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:29:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We will see about the pedophile thing since his underage rape case has passed the first legal hurdle this week and will go to court in December.
[deleted] ยท -41 points ยท Posted at 19:33:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha you liberals are so hilarious with your convictions. Being wrong won't stop you guys!
freshthrowaway1138 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:48:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our convictions? What do you mean? Are you talking about our philosophical convictions or people being convicted in a court of law?
TheToastIsBlue ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 18:50:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh he's a pedophile now too? That man really is a monster!
prancingElephant ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:30:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bro he's actually in the process of being sued for raping a 13-year-old. Personally I'm a little suspicious of it, but it's not like everyone is pulling "pedophile" from thin air.
There was also that clip where he said he's be dating an attractive 10-year-old in 10 years, as well as him admitting he intentionally walked in on Miss Teen USA contestants while they were changing.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Notice how all of these rape claims have sprung up this months alone, and how they've never been mentioned until now, until being supposedly done years ago?
jroades26 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 21:16:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dating a 10 year old in 10 years is a testament to not being a pedophile. He even added 2 extra years.
He's a billionaire celebrity. Would you fuck 45 year olds if you could fuck 20 year olds?
prancingElephant ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:51:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the point is he was commenting on the attractiveness of a child.
Is that... actually relevant at all? Because I totally would. ESPECIALLY if I were his age.
jroades26 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's stupid. Literally stupid. You have never heard people say a girl is going to be a heartbreaker when she's older? Or a guy is going to be a stud? Have you ever been around kids ever in your life? People say shit like that all the time.
The comment was entirely complementary towards a mother who was quite attractive, while obviously playfully jabbing at himself for dating 20 year olds at his age.
This is reddit that constantly is saying there is nothing wrong with finding younger people attractive, as long as you don't act on it. But logic goes out the window soon as you talk about trump. Rules for thee not for me.
prancingElephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the part where he LITERALLY ADMITTED to acting on it by walking into teenage girls' dressing rooms without permission? And he wasn't talking to a girl's mother in that clip, he was talking to the camera. In fact, I'm pretty sure the mother wasn't even in the video. All the descriptions I've seen say "a group of young girls".
The reason it's messed up isn't that he said they were attractive per se - it's that he said that about a child, and then said he was "going to" be dating them, without appearing to take their opinions in the matter into consideration. An even better example can be seen here, where he was talking directly to the girls, and was referring to dating them when they would be 16 - still a minor child. Again, no recognition of the fact that dating is a two-person decision. It's just a little unsettling, is all.
Before you reply, I want you to think about how you would be defending this behavior if it were someone else doing it, and not Trump. If you wouldn't say the exact same things about Obama or Bill Clinton or Paul Ryan, then don't say it.
jroades26 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're lying about that teenage dressing room. Just 100% lying. He talked about walking into miss usa dressing room. NOT teen usa. You decided to make that talking point up.
Show me where he says it, specifically teen, because the quote is about pageants in general. And he ran hundreds of adult ones. Very few teen ones.
What you're saying is ridiculous. I've never in my life nor in the current election cycle accused someone of fucking pedophilia. Bill Clinton is a dirty philandering potential rapist, but to suggest he's a pedophile just because he diddled girls 20 years younger than him. Never did it. Never will.
You're grasping at straws saying something is wrong with saying you're going to be dating someone. As if it's a rape or something.
Keep making shit up, someday you'll be far removed from your safe space echo chambers and realize life is not PC. Life doesn't care about your feelings and if things aren't said just the way you like them to be said so as not to assault your sensisibilities.
elbenji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like believe what you want but the 13 y.o is skeeeeettttchhyyy
jroades26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. The case has been tossed out multiple times, and keeps getting resubmitted.
if there was a SHRED of evidence, this media wouldn't ever stop talking about it.
elbenji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he has to stand up to a judge. If it really is nothing the court will say so. Like with Clinton right?
jroades26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't. The case hasn't been accepted yet. A date has been set to REVIEW if the case should go into consideration. This is 1 step in, and about 2 steps removed from having an actual trial of any kind.
elbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see
prancingElephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mistake, I got mixed up. He did say that about Miss USA in general, but then four Miss Teen USA competitors came out of the woodwork and accused him of doing it to them, so that was where that came from.
BTW, I'm not a liberal, and am no fan of "safe space PC echo chambers". I've been trying to be respectful to you, but I can see you're pulling out the buzzwords, so I'm going to end this here. Have a good one.
jroades26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
11 more women from the same contest said he didn't and no men were ever on there.
And the reason I use those buzzwords is because you're clearly taking words incredibly seriously. Which is the hallmark of safe spaces. That words are dangerous and to be taken literally and harmfully.
You're extrapolating out of context statements as admissions of pedophilia and worse. And the accusing me of defense purely based on bias when I've presented nothing but facts.
Yes I'm heated, and yes, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck I'll call it a duck right or wrong. This is the same rhetoric I've been hearing for the last 3-4 months. Generally from people who claim not to be liberals, but often seem to be in practice.
And considering you spend much of your time slandering trump all over here and /r/politics (the definition of a liberal echo chamber) spare me your outrage. I don't pretend to be anything other than what I am. Why don't you have some pride in yourself and at least admit you're biased.
elbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you just went into a ramble
jroades26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Typical deflection. Can't provide any evidence for the accusations, so start criticizing the way I talk.
elbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly im just jumping in. You should put a tldr
jroades26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was responding to numerous accusations at a time.
elbenji ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:20:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok
Chardmonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope you aren't allowed around children very often.
TrumpVictory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:22:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why? She is pretty evil.
Pseuzq ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you at least block Fox News during the install?
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 1648 points ยท Posted at 16:01:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, that's horrible
Jelese111 ยท 1303 points ยท Posted at 16:27:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, he's all around a shitty person. He openly bashes gays and transgenders and mentally handicapped in front of his kids and they copy him.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 18:03:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This here is exactly why things like racism and homophobia still exist to this day.
losers_downvote_me ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's why Americans should be required to take a maturity exam before having children. At the very least, this type of brainwashing should be considered child abuse. These children are going to grow up to be pieces of shit just like their dad, it's no secret, so just take them away before he can do any more damage.
PM_ME_CHUBBY_GALS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People don't trust the government to do anything, do you think they will trust a "maturity test"? You'd have a civil war lol.
KingBebee ยท 345 points ยท Posted at 17:10:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're nicer than I am. Knowing that about him, my answer would have been "your daddy's wrong, tell him I said so."
Then I would happily have given her dad a piece of my mind.
[deleted] ยท 641 points ยท Posted at 17:18:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really walk around making enemies in real life like that
FrankieNukNuk ยท 239 points ยท Posted at 17:22:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you're King BeBee u can do whatever the fuck u want
EverChillingLucifer ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 18:04:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grandma not making cookies? Nuke the cunt, I want my chocolate chip orgasms.
sparkly_butthole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a thing? I want this to be a thing.
TheMooseDude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:14:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry cookies are real
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:16:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
looks like we got a real FrankieNukNuk over here.
FrankieNukNuk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:21:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're God damn right we do.
[deleted] ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 17:23:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As if he's not the one making enemies?
It sounds like that person lives in a backwards area. My response to that was to move as far away from those kinds of people as possible. Now i live in LA where everyone in insane in a completely different way.
kiddo51 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:29:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The way I see it, that dude is obviously deranged. You don't just casually make enemies with people like that. Especially when there is nothing to gain, cause I guarantee you you're not changing that asshole's mind.
[deleted] ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 17:39:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've never been to a deeply red state, have you? I'm not sure "deranged" comes to mean much when it applies to a significant chunk of a given population.
You might not change his mind, but you might plant a seed in his kid's mind: namely, that it is possible that his dad is wrong and people don't agree with him.
kiddo51 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:49:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deranged isn't a relative term. I'm sorry there's a high population of deranged people near you. :/
True. To be clear, it's cool to teach the kid an opposing viewpoint and all. I just feel like the way that was mentioned wasn't the ideal way to do that.
ilion ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:11:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you underestimate the power of normalizing behaviours.
Killsbury3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:54:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theyre not an enemy if they can't move
freshthrowaway1138 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, liberals need to stand their ground and vote. Don't just flee from the red states. Never give up, never surrender!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that sentiment. But at some point, people just want to be around those with whom they can identify. Life is too short.
freshthrowaway1138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I get that, it's been difficult since I've moved to the South a decade ago. Constantly trying new communities and seeing if folks get better. Always so frustrating once you get out of the bigger metro areas and find yourself being called satan or the anti-christ simply for saying that maybe committing genocide isn't the best idea.
I just hope that things can change.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope so too. Best of luck to you out there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Any advice about moving to LA? I'm planning on moving there in a year. :-)
wolfrandom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I moved there when I was 19 on my own. I didn't move to LA the city though, I moved to a city in LA county on the border of Orange County. Rent isn't too bad, just don't talk about where you came from too much. People don't really feel for you that you moved and you don't know anybody and that everything is kind of stressful for a while as it is when you move away from home. People won't want to chat with you in the grocery store, everyone is kind of doing their own thing. People are generally cordial, but not focused on greeting people in their day to day. I loved my time in LA, it was the best, but adjusting took time, and a huge part of it was that even though I moved away from home for a reason, it was hard to adapt to not knowing where anything was, etc. Etc. Try to live like 10-15 mins away from your job, tops. LA traffic is always talked about but if you work within 1-2 cities you honestly probably won't have to deal with it that much. Everything is so close that you only really leave your area to go to like concerts or on a trip or something. GET A GPS. even though phones have maps and everything now, get a GPS and save yourself data, time, and energy. While I am from NorCal and Walmart is like the devil here, don't be afraid to use it in SoCal if you have to. I was kinda snooty about it for a while but honestly as a 19 year old working retail part time and going to college it was like I had to take what I could so yeah. If you use BofA remember to change your address and add the cash back deals, that area has tons. In LA you kind of have to forget everything you learned about begin an adult and relearn it because it is so fast paced and people don't have time for bullshit. ALSO. In the malls and on the streets or at the beaches DO NOT let people hand you free shit. They will take you away and all but force you to buy something. The first thing I learned was to keep my hands in my pockets. Even if it seems rude not to take something either ignore the person or say no thanks and keep walking. There are very predatory sales people there. Don't leave shit on your seats that is valuable. This isn't really just an LA thing but it's still a good reminder. Use Groupon for food discounts when eating out, TONS of small business type restaurants also use yelp check ins to offer you free soda or toppings or whatever. Also don't stick to the food you've been eating your whole life. Try the small Asian restaurants and Mexican markets and things that you see. They may seem kinda low income or sketch sometimes but you can find lots of little gems strewn about SoCal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is awesome. Thank you!!! Was it worth it?
wolfrandom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It totally was! I moved back north to finish school but I may find myself south again. I needed to make that move to grow and establish my independence and all that. It was probably the best decision I ever made for myself. You should also find some group or club to join to make new friends, otherwise it's pretty hard to meet people and get a group to chill with. Even if it's like pickup games of your sport, or like boardgames, or if you do church or volunteering.... Basically the best way to make friends is to find a group with an established meeting time and if someone is worth your time outside of that group you can invite them to do things with you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a job lined up or are you just making the plunge? Because the two situations warrant very different kinds of advice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No job lined up, but I have a place to stay with family over there. I don't know how I could even go about finding work when I'm on the east coast. Plus I'm pursuing acting, so Ican't look for the 9-5. I need something more flexible that will allow me to attend auditions.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your family from the east? (If so, I'm guessing they live in Silver Lake?) You'll find a service sector job that allows you a flexible job. Frankly it would be harder to find a 9-5 job in LA these days. Make sure your job and living situation allows you to spend a lot of time in the areas surrounding the studios. You need to live there in order to expose yourself to opportunitiesโnot just when a formal audition is scheduled, but around the clock. Make sure you surround yourself with people who are doing something, going somewhere, but at the same time be wary of getting taken advantage of. This city will eat you alive if you're not careful. Everyone may be a vegetarian here, but they're all carnivores when it comes to getting ahead. But don't let this get you down: it's an exhilarating place to be, and there's plenty of people here who are actually capable of genuine friendship. And when it comes to night life/partying, be sure to set your limits ahead of time. When that limit comes, the trick is to recognize it and remember that you don't need to make your decision again because you already made it before you arrived.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is awesome advice! Thank you! And my family is mostly in the east, but the ones I'll be staying with are letting me stay in their condo in WeHo for $500 a month. It'll be a very small room, I have LOTS of rules (can't have anyone overnight, no drugs, no loud music, I do the cleaning, etc.) but after my research that's an amazing price. And if I really hate living with them then I'll have time to find another place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No problem. Can't be $500! Happy travels.
pikachu4444 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:26:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you can. I'm learning disabled, bisexual and Hispanic. Like hell I'm going to be friendly to someone talking down my whole existence. I don't surround myself with shit.
Alexkarino ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not when you're a teacher at an elementary school. Starting stuff at work is not a good way to keep your job. Sometimes you gotta just turn your head the other way.
PaintItPurple ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:53:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You absolutely can. There are some people people who won't add anything positive in your life and the risk of losing their acquaintance is not a terrible thing.
ergzay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously a family member that they meet with regularly. You can't really do that.
CellularBeing ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:21:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when it's family you are kind of forced to see until one of you dies
danielswrath ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:25:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
However, you aren't really forced to. If you don't like them, just don't bother seeing them.
HotPandaLove ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:28:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And remove yourself as one of the only good influences in that kid's life?
CellularBeing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:31:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That and what about meetings where you have no say
Like weddings or birthdays or family events
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:46:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out you don't have to attend and they don't have to be invited
I haven't seen my dad's siblings or their kids in several years.
danielswrath ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:50:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same goes for me, don't mind that at all. My grandparents and some uncles/aunts are toxic as hell. I don't care for them.
IntrinsicSurgeon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but not everyone wants to ice out their entire families.
CellularBeing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. But isn't it shitty to miss an event that is completely unrelated to any beef and and that one person has?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It does.
On the bright side we haven't had to sit through 3-4 hours of passive aggressive comments, or a screaming match since we stopped seeing them. Because that would happen at everyone.
There also haven't been any weddings or funerals for that side of the family in a while. And we still see my grandparents and our great aunts and uncles from that side here and there.
1GeT_WrOnG ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out your circumstances dont apply to everyone in the world.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well sorry, excluding those who are physically dragged to such events against their will.
sparrow5 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:45:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That might mean walking away from your entire family. Not everyone is willing to do that just to avoid one person.
danielswrath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:53:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that. However, you can still stand up for yourself and your opinion, while still respecting the majority of your family. Might cause some drama though, depending on your family. Which you might want to avoid
Lucyqup ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:32:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that easy unfortunately
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it is. I have aunts and cousins that live 50 miles away. I have never seen them. I've heard of them, but if they were to stand in front of me I wouldn't recognize them.
Nrksbullet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad that works for you, but there's sometimes events people really want to go to, but that person will be there, so there's no avoiding it.
saga999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Jebediah_Blasts_off ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's a problem easily solved
redworm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are the best enemies to make because then you get to be as honest as you want regarding what you think of them.
they_call_me_dewey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Families were invented so that people could hold deep resentment for others over petty shit and be forced to duke it out every year over a nice meal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually really easy to stop seeing family members you don't like.
Lokcet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then you also could be cutting ones you do like out too. It's a difficult situation and different for everyone.
yeartwo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you also can't really go around letting kids grow up like that.
nebbyb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sure don't do it lightly. However, sometimes if you don't speak up you are part of the problem. This seems like one of those times.
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? I'm an adult. What are they gonna do? Not like me? Oooooooh I'm so scared.
L_H_O_O_Q_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A dude like that is already my enemy.
DefiantLemur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you can because fuck them
TheLurkingFish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like it would be a good deal to have less conversations and make enemies with the anus of society.
KingBebee ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:23:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I can. I can put up with people who have different views. Many of my friends believe very different things than I do, but there is a line. It's his choice to be my enemy. If he doesn't want to listen to reason, that's his issue.
I've done it before, and I'd do it again. Sometimes shaming works, and sometimes you get a chance to highlight what a piece of shit some people are.
ionbeam7 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:51:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why people think this is such a terrible attitude to have towards people with prejudiced and bigoted views, especially when there are children who are looking at those people to determine how they should act.
You can go through life and avoid those people at all costs and live in your own little social sphere and ignore everything else, or you can bring up difficult topics with people you don't like and maybe cause some good.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:37:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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KingBebee ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have no way of qualifying that statement. You have no of knowing whether or not a seed would be planted in that kids mind that her dad's word isn't infallible.
Neither do I, but at least I'm willing to admit and I'm not making unprovable statements to make myself feel morally superior. I am, however, morally superior to this kid's douche of a father and would gladly put it out there for the world to judge.
Baial ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. We definitely need to bring back duels. Why undermine his kids when Colt perfected a much better way to win an argument?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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KingBebee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, considering the comment backlash here, I'm the one being petty. /s
I never said anything about getting violent with the guy, or that I wouldn't try to reason with him. The kid is hardly going to be hurt by one comment. Wtf people.
Fullblownaides ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sotough
KingBebee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, your commentary here is so appropriate. You're right, pointing out a piece of shit dad makes me feel superior.
Is that what you wanted to read? Gtfooh.
Fullblownaides ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See how tough you are?
KingBebee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're so witty. I wish I could be as witty as you.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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KingBebee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you hold to that opinion, I'm okay with it.
However, you'd do a lot better to convince me by qualifying it with more than calling me shitty.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:13:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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KingBebee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:39:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was raised with his views, and I have every right to shit on him. His beliefs are harmful to society. My moral ground is higher, but if that's how you choose to view it, by all means go with it.
rox0r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a faux sense of moral high ground? I hate to see what real moral high ground looks like.
kidblue672 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can damn well try
Baial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually anyone can. It is just really unwise.
Throwaway42027 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, then your life is boring.
wolfrandom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it can be nice to imagine yourself doing so...๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure can haha
Hy-phen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Yes you can.
Reagalan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can. There are consequences.
ronin1066 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you can, if you're aware of the results of your actions, have at it.
awesomeness2312 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i mean, you can. just not the best decision
HadSexyBroughtBack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. You can't just go calling out shitty prejudiced people and attempting to end toxic patterns.
CallMeDoc24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you can. Just keep a bat in the closet.
ProfessorIsaiah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but this is the internet where everyone pretends they're socially indestructable and always do the righteous thing
Infobomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not with that attitude. :)
prereincarnate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, you can. Just doesn't leave you with many people to advocate for you.
BfMDevOuR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pussy ass bitch, fite me.
adamsmith93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you fucking can. Fuck those kind of people man. And you too for telling people not to stand up to them.
Asha108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully this is reddit where you can shit talk your relatives without any concern of consequences as long as they don't have your reddit name.
aljoburke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you can. I don't lie to kids and I don't let them wander around thinking hateful things. I may not say in in that way, but I'll definitely tell children the truth at their emotional level/ability to understand. I've explained racism, sexism, transphobia, and homophobia to children. For example, my niece's father says terrible things about a family member because they're transgender. I've told her that sometimes people don't understand how other's feel and it makes them uncomfortable, so they lash out to make themselves feel better. We've compromised by not having the family member present when her dad picks her up so she doesn't have to hear hateful things about a loved one as much.
Pa5trick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've done similar in the past; it's much better to implant the seed of knowledge in a child's mind than to allow them to grow an unmitigated hatred for anything.
Anyone who openly speaks in the manner this guy (allegedly) does, likely wouldn't be counted among my friends and wouldn't be a huge loss for me to make an enemy of.
Booty_Is_Life_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure you can
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to become grumpier.
SupperZombie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:53:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not, fuck you :)
Cinemaphreak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when he comes up to you all red-faced and about to get in yours about what you said, just give him a smug look and say, "Hey, you claimed you wanted them to know the real world works and the real world thinks their dad says things that are hatefully stupid."
If he still starts shouting, just tell him "Hey, I did sugar coat the part about you being an asshole so be thankful they can learn that on their own...." and walk off.
KingBebee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:47:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of hate PMs I've received has been surprising, but I think they're missing the point.
I think you just nailed the point I was trying to make.
Jelese111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I learned early on it's useless to argue with my husband's extended family. They are so deep set in their hateful ways, can't stop them and don't want to deal with it. I only have to see them once a year. His mom and siblings are alright though, and grandparents on both sides.
KingBebee ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:52:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Despite my rebuttals to some of the nonsense commentary I'm receiving, I can understand and empathize with what you're saying, which is why I said how I would handle it. I don't necessarily expect others to handle it the same way.
Jelese111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah you handle it how you would. Everyone has different ways and I'm sure after awhile you'd be exhausted by these people too. Haha
KingBebee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My own family was this way. I've never been good about keeping my mouth shut. Recently though, it was brought to my attention that opinion's have changed. Not only do they not speak that way anymore, I was told that they realized after a while that their attitudes weren't very "christian," and they understand why I don't identify as such anymore considering their behaviors. Sometimes it just takes people time to see themselves clearly. I never yelled or got angry. Every debate is calculated and well-crafted, whichever approach I took (religious angle, rational angle, etc).
I love my fam for this (and because they're fam), but I understand that not everyone's family would make such changes.
Jelese111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it's a lot easier when it's your own family.
KingBebee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 100% sure it is. I don't fault you for keeping quiet at all.
Jelese111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I wouldn't fault you for standing up!
blind2314 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately confrontations in real life are a lot different than what is said anonymously on the internet.
KingBebee ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't make assumptions. Many real life confrontations go down the way they're stated on the Internet. Your statement is something I've heard frequently lately, but it has no basis. I see people argue regularly.
nushublushu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say it to his face but you don't want to set the kid up for conflict when there's no one there to protect her man. who knows what he's like behind closed doors.
KingBebee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a rational concern. If I really felt this was a possibility, I would definitely hold my tongue for the moment. However, if it was really a concern, child protective services needs to get involved and it's bigger than any exchange I could have with him anyhow.
Again though, I think what you've stated is very rational and something to consider.
TaehlsGolightly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he/she preserves their relationship, then there is an opportunity to be a good influence on that child. If hey burn that bridge that kid won't get much chance to know anything different.
KingBebee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only rational argument I've received yet. However, I've taken the opportunity in the past, it worked out, and I'd do it again. That's me. If you read further in rhe comments, I have made it more than clear I don't expect others to do the same.
ddpowkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really feel like being the jumpstart to a conflict isn't in the child's best interests
KingBebee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Telling a child "daddy's wrong" is hardly conflict. I would attempt a rational conversation with dad, but if it comes down to it, I'll let him know he's a piece of shit away from the child. I have some tact. The kid isn't going to be scarred for life.
its-you-not-me ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then be brave enough not to do it through the kid in the first place. You don't put a kid in the middle of your conflicts.
KingBebee ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:29:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kid needs to hear another adult say that dad's beliefs are wrong. I'd absolutely say something, and it has zero to do with bravery.
its-you-not-me ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:04:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must be a kid. Work on your own maturity before you start belting out advice on other people's beliefs.
KingBebee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not, but if judging me makes you feel good, okay.
Maturity means different things to different people. For me, taking a stand is mature.
fireysaje ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids need to know that not everything their parents say is the pinnacle of truth. If he grows up believing everything his daddy says he's never going to learn to think for himself.
Killsbury3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you're nicer than I am. I would have castrated him with a hammer without warning. The jail time is worth it.
god_is_my_father ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally
KingBebee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucking ridiculous. Say dad hits me, fine. All it's going to do is show the world he's capable of unnecessary violence, and then we'll be settling in court. I doubt dad's going to murder me at the family outing. We're grown adults. If dad has an issue to the point he can't hold his shit together without getting violent, oh well.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I think you're the nicer one.
pittbowl3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:22:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh man, a liberal with opinions. our worst nightmare.
KingBebee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who said I was "a liberal"?
You presume much.
Waitithotudied ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya this is real life though and you don't exactly want your husband's family thinking you are a snob who tells other people how to teach their kids.
KingBebee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like I answered the other individual who commented similarly. I'd have no problem with this. I do this in "real life," and it's served me well.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't cut yourself on that edge.
FakeWings ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:12:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people shouldn't be allowed to raise children
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:42:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FakeWings ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:49:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously I don't REALLY think the government should dictate who can raise children and who can't. And no, people are welcome to have a different opinion. It's when people teach their children to disrespect people in a rude way. I worked at a place where there was a cigar randomly left on the floor in a children's room so I threw it out. 5 minutes later a guy came up "did you throw out me cigar??? So you gunna buy me a new one?" Then says to his kid "come on, let's go before they throw out your juice box." It's that kind of idiocy that kids are raised by that we can only hope that kids will be embarrassed by their parents behavior and chose not to mimick it.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hardly. Teaching their children double standards is a big issue though, because then they grow up to be the kind of people who think it's okay when they do something, but not when others do that.
InvadedByMoops ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Telling your kids you murdered grandma is mental abuse.
losers_downvote_me ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:46:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Because some opinions are wrong.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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losers_downvote_me ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. You can have an opinion that grass doesn't exist... it's just a useless opinion. Not all issues need opinions. Many things are black and white.
KittenTendies ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's heartbreaking for his children, they are growing up like that not knowing any better. Some people shouldn't reproduce.
SnowedIn01 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*Most
mindfrom1215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eugemics!
Sorry, cammot use the key to the left of m.
losers_downvote_me ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody should reproduce. We have plenty of people already, and since any new children are just going to be taught this feel-good "your opinion always matters" philosophy, the next generation is just going to kill each other anyway.
abutthole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's how Trump supporters happen.
Riders_block ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:37:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trans guy here. So worried for kids who grow up with parents who spew hate. My parents said and did awful things while hoping I would "outgrow my tomboy phase". It still cuts me deep.
Love your children for their weirdness, and love them for who they are.
Jelese111 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:45:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. I teach my child to love and accept people. Sorry your parents weren't more supportive. <3
Fender6969 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:18:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an average Trump supporter to me.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my mom call them Trump-Zombies and Trumpzoids
Fender6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like that lol.
WalkerBRiley ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet it is the public schools that are 'indoctrinating the children.' /s
tigerscomeatnight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's truly found his candidate then
sl0play ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did his parents teach him that too?
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They definitely aren't as bad as he is..
omar_strollin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just for future reference, it's 'transgender people,' not 'transgenders.' The latter isn't a noun.
Cheers!
Jelese111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the correction. I appreciate it.
freezerae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:53:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FYI, it's best to use the word "people" in tandem with those descriptors. Ex: "gay people and transgender people." It's like how saying "whites" sounds weird.
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I'll be sure to do that in the future!
spru6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wants to make America Great Again.
PoliteViolence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he make fun of himself?
Valkyrie_of_Loki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very [relevant] song.
isotaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he should run for office.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least he isn't racist
Jelese111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No way. Some of his closest friends are black.
surprisesugarfree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're married to Trump's cousin?!
TrumpForever420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a legend
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess, he also has a ton of kids.
Why is it always these deplorables that have the most kids (are are usually on some sort of welfare)? Ugh.
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3 kids from 3 different "crazy bitches". No welfare though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ
ARoaringBorealis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddammit... I mean I'm used to the first two, and I'm not saying that's okay, but you rarely hear about people who are prejudiced against mentally handicapped people.
ChickenChic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:20:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Raising future generations of shitty people I see. Has anyone considered castrating him for the safety of the future?
LordoftheScheisse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if you're referring to your relative or Trump...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if you are taking about your family or actually Donald Trump at this point, even down to imitation by his children.
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha. I was talking about husband's cousin.. But also yes.
Leftovertaters ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So like your run of the mill trump supporter?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:37:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he's raised a future Eric Trump voter.
Bed_Post_Detective ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all surprised he supports trump.
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:44:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From South Pacific:
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!
From Into The Woods:
Careful the things you say
Children will listen
Careful the things you do
Children will see
And learn
hungry_lobster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:48:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair then lol
justburch712 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about your husband's cousin or Donald Trump?
StoicThePariah ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:46:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
SpookySkeleton53 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:52:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she literally openly bashes Americans in Benghazi.
SIThereAndThere ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it would be a hard time for kids to understand Monica Lewinsky since they weren't around or real wikileaks and understand the severity of corruption and cover-up going on.
Being an asshole is better than being two-faced & crooked in my book.
LeSquidliestOne ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That kinda makes me sad that people like that are lumped in with the rest of the Trump supporters... Can't we disown them?
astronautassblaster ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would think he'd be a Hillary supporter then considering some of the largest donors to her slush fund are the same people advocating tossing gays off rooftops
Druzl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC Trump used to be a Clinton supporter until he decided to run as a Rep
astronautassblaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He gave her money so her could get the contracts he needed. He knows she's bought.
I think working the system isn't the same thing as supporting her
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:16:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ajlunce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:18:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool your jets there, I may not agree with him but executions for words only happen in dictatorship
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you talk like a nazi, cursing mentally handicapped people, guess what; you get treated like a nazi.
CaliBuddz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it you act like a facist. We take you out back and shoot you.
See the similarities.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:33:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please, enlighten me master, when has words ever cured a community of bigot people and I'll take back everything I said.
standish_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL that people who say shitty things are literally Nazis and deserve the death penalty.
Thanks reddit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah! So you think nazis are some monsters created by some mutation by some uv ray with which Hitler sprayed on them when he was elected chancellor? They were shits like the guy in question here. Deep seated bigotry in their mind and with the right leadership like trump, they are capable of what every nazi did. Do not underestimate history, my friend.
ajlunce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't what nazis SAID that had them hang, it was ACTIONS
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Forget it. Guess what, I'm sorry. Just remember, every one of these hateful people will become violent once they find a government who will condone this a.k.a Donald trump's presidency.
MDCarroll ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:37:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deplorable.
WannabePunk666 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but once she turns 16 she will be cursing anyways.
Ruuruka ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:50:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh it is Hillary though.
ha7on ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she is a bitch.
DuckSmash ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:56:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Hillary is quite horrible.
PastorPuff ยท 355 points ยท Posted at 17:14:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And we (the Republican party) are supposed to be about morals and family values...
grammar_oligarch ยท 75 points ยท Posted at 18:17:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, not anymore. Now the Republican Party has to admit they're the party of bigotry.
Not so good when you finally get a candidate who tells it like it is, especially when "it" is rotting, festering, bile fueled hatred.
losers_downvote_me ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:57:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why we can't have a direct democracy. I mean, Trump snuck through the filters, but imagine EVERY candidate being like him. The American public cannot be trusted to vote for a good president, because most of us don't even have any fucking clue how our government even functions. Trump is only popular because he tosses memberberries at his supporters. He uses nostalgia to bait bitter, feeble boomers and sheltered neckbeards.
fuckujoffery ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:32:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are so stupid they can't be trusted to vote right they're all just sheep democracy doesn't work because I'm smarter than everyone I know better /s
ArmoredKappa ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, real "educated" opinion you've got there.
losers_downvote_me ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:28:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never used the word educated but nice Freudian slip I guess??
ArmoredKappa ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 23:18:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
>I never used the word educated but nice Freudian slip I guess??
>I never used the word educated
>the word educated
>educated
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:04:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure that went out the window when donny t became your poster child
canamrock ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:32:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, the family that hates together is deplorable together.
kidfay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:15:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to what most everyone outside the GOP already knew...
WhateverJoel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:01:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gays and trans aren't moral, in the eyes of the republican party.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:34:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't have to be republican to hate Hillary.
ScienceBreathingDrgn ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 17:48:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you do have to be pretty shitty to tell your kids that sort of thing is ok.
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 17:48:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yea but telling your 6 year old it's okay to call her a bitch and such, much less around family. That's not cool
Leftovertaters ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:59:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations at missing the whole point.
NotObsoleteIfIUseIt ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:46:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bashing hillary and LGBT sounds like United Russia
TheOlMo ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:53:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sounds like fascism to me
[deleted] ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 17:53:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:01:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cuck username, liberal use of personal insults, pointless whining about how anyone who disagrees must be paid to do so
Gee I wonder who you are gonna vote for
surprisinglychill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut the fuck up moron
misswimp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Double standards are a dangerous thing. Poor kids don't know any better.
DannoHung ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like moralizing and valuing nuclear families above all else
losers_downvote_me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Libertarianism is the new Republican party. Consequently, people like myself have been essentially forced out of the Libertarian party for being unwilling to jerk off on guns. Can't join the Green Party because then my party's nominee would be an anti-vaxxer lunatic. Guess I'll just stick to NPP...
Magma151 ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 17:32:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Far left and far right are no better than one another when it comes to values. Holy hatred batman.
PlsDntPMme ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:48:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's for fucking sure. I went to a Bernie rally and a few of those people were as crazy as the trump supporters people make fun of. The hypocrisy was too real.
Edit: With all the downvotes coming in, I think I should mention that I was and still am pro-Sanders. I don't support his recent promotion of Clinton, but I understand why he did it. I was agreeing with the fact that the left can be as crazy as the right because most people seem to forget or ignore that fact. There's plenty of trump supporters I'd rather befriend over Bernie supporters and vise versa. Both sides have their crazies. I still despise Trump and think his ideas are batshit insane, but to stereotype all his voters as crazy idiots isn't entirely correct.
do_a_flip ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:04:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Horseshoe theory, anyone?
B1naryB0t ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:34:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/badpolitics, anyone?
PlsDntPMme ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've read that before! I agree. I've really seen the nasty bits of both sides and sometimes I think the two would get along better with each other. This video does a pretty good job of illustrating that in a funny stereotypical way.
do_a_flip ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:37:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you agree, but I doubt that the video has anything to do with leftwing-rightwing politics. They are both nationalists and religious conservatives, after all.
PlsDntPMme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. It has nothing at all to do with politics. I guess it's just a broad example of that idea that both ends of the spectrum can end up being closer than they thought? Maybe it's just me, but to me it feels like a super eli5 of the general concept.
do_a_flip ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I mean, what I meant is that they are politically speaking on the same end of the spectrum, their contempt for each other doesn't really come from different world views after all.
Which is what the video actually illustrates.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie supporters were the most violent this election, they literally started riots.
Have the left repressed this memory? Too embarrassing lol?
PlsDntPMme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel both sides have done their fair share of ignoring things that make said side look less ideal.
DKPminus ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 20:10:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when some crazy leftist says kill all white people, it is a shared view by all Democrats? I think not.
Coopering ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Strangely enough, I've never had that said to me, in my presence. I've read that someone knows someone that believes that, yes...many times.
The claim to be the true, moral Americans, because they support the death penalty, are anti-equality and pro-corporate above all else...yea...I hear that on the train platforms every day, despite being around American colleagues of different colors and ethnicities, and that joke about 1600 Penn Ave being public housing is apparently still not old. Yep, the blinders are real.
the-best-questions ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suure.. both parties try and look like saints compared to each other, but problem is they're both corrupt, as well as neglectful of demographics their constituency doesn't cover.
Trying to act like they have a moral edge over Americans as a whole is the kind of thinking that makes me forever independent.
soylentcoleslaw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you don't truly believe that. That's definitely not what the Republican party of today believes.
FuriousTarts ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's become the (((Republican Party)))
Schnabeltierchen ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:27:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What shitty parenting by her dad..
[deleted] ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 17:22:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's just telling her when he believes. Is it really that bad?
Schnabeltierchen ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:24:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To a 6 year old and calling Clinton a bitch?
intothemidwest ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Raising your child to be a hateful person isn't great, yeah.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are far more diplomatic ways to express your dislike for someone other than calling them a "crooked bitch."
kiddo51 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:31:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that he's honestly just spouting campaign rhetoric.
survivor___0 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair she is, but a child shouldnt be saying that in public or really at all
swearing is relative to cultures and not a "bad" thing, but at the same time, swearing is generally looked down upon in certain settings and children shouldnt get used to swearing across the board. takes time to develop to a point where they know what sort of people are around them and whats socially acceptable to use.
marvolokilledharambe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shiiiiiiit. Sounds like a real winner...I'll try to hold out hope for his kid(s).
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After his 13yo daughter was allowed to sign up for fb and added me... I gave up on his kids.
marvolokilledharambe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't say I blame you. My sister married someone who has an uncle like that. She finally blocked him on Facebook because she didn't think she could be polite.
wanderlustlost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um...did he kill grandma? ๐
Jelese111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully she was just in the bathroom.
wanderlustlost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh thank goodness. I was worried we are going to have to go all Cold Cases up in here and take this over to /r/unresolvedmysteries
Jelese111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha glad I could be of service.
mineymonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez that edit.... I hope all goes well for your husband's cousin's daughter.
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't even get me started on the older daughter or son. Ugh the stories I have for their family.
mineymonkey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gets popcorn ready for the inevitable Reddit story time!
Hey I know the feeling, trust me I have a lot of crazy stories about my siblings and their kids or spouses.
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even know where to begin.
IntrinsicSurgeon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I missed the cousin part and was wondering how you were okay with your husband being such a bigoted douche.
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my gosh no. I would never be okay with that.
IntrinsicSurgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, that's good!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't sugar coat things; he shit coats them.
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. What a LOVELY image.
samanthaily ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I killed her, now she's in hell"? What in the ever loving FUCK?!
Jelese111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Father of the year.
ScienceBreathingDrgn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the basket fits...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:17:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lul
brilliantlyInsane ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:19:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What a profound statement. Thank you for contributing so much to the conversation.
Edit: I will never understand Reddit logic. Carry on, folks.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, le kind sir.
Ivegotacitytorun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's just ahead of time. She'll be on r/oldpeoplefacebook way before her peers.
[deleted] ยท 297 points ยท Posted at 17:59:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Sysiphuslove ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 22:51:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My mother thought she was the Kardashian mom when my sister and I were kids, and she raised us with that expectation too. We had to find rich husbands. You gotta find a rich man and do whatever you can to land him and then take him for everything in the divorce. I thought that was pretty fucked up even at six years old
ShadowWolf58 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 02:06:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm very sorry for saying this, but your mom was the kind of woman that gave women in general a bad name.
My mom raised us to work hard and do what you like so long as you took responsibility for your actions. So, yes I was allowed to drink underage, but we had to stay home and if we drove it was our ass. Thank god I wasn't that stupid. Can't say I'm certain of the same for my sister.
She raised us solo because my deadbeat druggie dad couldn't figure out what it meant to be a dad or to be sober. Now the sister is running around with the same kind of guy and I'm ready to break her fucking arm and his stupid fucking skull.
Alright. Sorry. I'll get down from the soap box now
LiquidPanda2019 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fucked but family's have been using marriage like that since the middle ages.
AtomicSamuraiCyborg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well marriages of alliance and convenience were transparent to both parties. It was the sealing of the alliance by mixing their bloodlines. Everyone knew what they were getting into, and there weren't really divorces.
coffeeordeath85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My aunt use to say to me when I was a young girl, "Coffeeordeath85, you need to marry a doctor or a rich man." My Mom would get so mad at her and yell back, "No! She can be a doctor!" Yay Mom!
CoherentFrost ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:13:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the same at my school. I'm a student, by the way. Everybody just loves those Trump and Hillary jokes, and one of the social studies teachers separated the Trump and Hillary supporters during class. They had a pretty intense "debate".
prancingElephant ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:17:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh boy, that doesn't seem like a good idea.
CoherentFrost ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:20:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you expect from middle school teachers at a time like this?
prancingElephant ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:42:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know. I was in middle school during the McCain-Obama election in 2008, and that was crazy enough. All I can say is that if they'd separated my class by politics back then, it might have gotten REALLY ugly.
SoxxoxSmox ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:39:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that. We held a mock election and only one kid in the class voted McCain.
You'd think he'd have gotten a lot of shit for being the odd guy out but since everyone, him included, was just parroting their parent's vote, nobody understood the election enough to care.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:49:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where you you live? I'm curious about the sort of upbringing that would cause kids to have such an outlook on life.
OrangeTabbyTwinSis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:42 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very situational, but I've seen this mentality engrained in rich baby boomer families and Jerry Springer families alike.
pythonhalp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:23:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure they were joking
OrangeTabbyTwinSis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:37 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One can only hope.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:34:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can all go after Trump in a couple of years.
ProspectiveQuant ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 21:39:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, Melania inspiring young women to be honest? Well, I'll be damned,
OrangeTabbyTwinSis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:37 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trolls hide under bridges, usually, but when they come to Askreddit you best believe they're farming those juicy downvotes.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:04:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I taught my 3 year old cousin to build a wall at out of sand at the beach
homophobicseel ยท 688 points ยท Posted at 17:40:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher, but I was involved in an activity where elementary school children created superheroes based on the chemical elements.
One kid got Uranium and he decided to make trUmp. He harnesses the devastation of nuclear weapons to protect his loved ones. He is small and unstable, but uncommonly strong. It even had a very good drawing attached. The kid described trUmp as infallible and flawless.
It was like something out of a North Korea documentary.
ThisGirlsTopsBlooby ยท 175 points ยท Posted at 20:31:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like the small and unstable part
608_esaj ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:04:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like his hands, which is why he has to move them around 24/7
ashesashesdustdust ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:09:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what an awesome school!
realfoodman ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:45:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't suppose you have a photo of the drawing, do you?
throwaway_lmkg ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:47:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kim Jong Urani-Un. It gives off radiation that causes cancer, but only to capitalist pig-dogs. People who believe in the true goodness of Dear Leader have their hair automatically shorten itself to an approved haircut in accordance with the socialist lifestyle!
Muffinmurdurer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that show is fantastic.
Nueraman1997 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:19:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if this is a testament to Trump's narcissism or the Republican's propaganda efforts.
delet_account ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:44:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you live under a rock? Do you seriously believe that the Republican Party is wholeheartedly backing him?
Nueraman1997 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:48:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah! I completely forgot about the fact that his party has pretty much abandoned him. So I guess it is a testament to his narcissism. ๐
Almainyny ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:18:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's more backstabbing going on there than there would be at a Rogue Convention.
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:35:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do know to Trump means to win, right? And not in some political sense, but "trump card" or "they trumped the other team" sense. Someone being The Trump would be an entirely valid if obvious superhero name, like Victor or Winner.
ThinkingInfestation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basically, that word is going to be ruined for a few decades thanks to one man. Lovely...
hollth1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he's going to make trump a superhero, he's going to be good just like a superhero. It wouldn't make sense to have a shit superhero
midgetpixie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally did the superhero element lesson with my middle schoolers.
yomama629 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:32:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You asked him to create a superhero, so he created one. The fact that North Korean propaganda portrays their leader as being a superhero has nothing to do with it.
WraithSama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was more the describing the Trump analog as "infallible and flawless" that raised the North Korean leader-worship train of thought.
yomama629 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:49:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it sounds more like a kid who decided to make a funny pun based on the letter U and gave him Superman/Goku-like qualities. Saying the kid was actually indoctrinated by "North Korea-like" pro-Trump propaganda is foolish.
skullminerssneakers ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:44:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R/thathappened
[deleted] ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 17:08:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Thameus ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 19:06:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If she wins we'll be reading about confused world leaders trying to work directly with Bill.
LFK1236 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:21:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, like all those people who keep trying to work directly with Angela Merkel's husband.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:34:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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coffeeordeath85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elizabeth I, Elizabeth II
Andy0132 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:14 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cixi, Wu Zetian
Thameus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:35:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was never head of state (nor was Mr. Thatcher).
EverEatGolatschen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Merkel isn't head of state either.
0dyssia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in Korea and all my students love Hillary and call Trump "์ฐ๋ ๊ธฐ Trump" (trash trump). I'm sure the favor for Hillary comes from Trump wanting to pull the military from Korea. I watch the debates streaming on youtube between my 10 min breaks between classes, if they come early; they like watching it too lol
Leohond15 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice, they prefer the person who hates them and demonizes all their people.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:57:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Leohond15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you put it that way it's not so surprising
back9 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:18:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is an interesting point, going to the claim HRC made on the Ellen show claim she felt 'stalked' by DJT in Debate 2. You think Xi is going to be deferential when they're in a room together?
fielderwielder ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 18:11:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of world leaders didn't respect Obama because he was black. I don't think the US should stick with only white male leaders because some other countries are still living in the 50s.
back9 ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 18:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If HRC was 1/10000 the leader Margaret Thatcher was I'd agree w/ya. However, her fecklessness and weakness will make BHO look like FDR.
dpfw ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:57:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make up your minds already, is she weak and feckless or is she a tyrant?
back9 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tyrant inside US, weak & feckless outside. Just like BHO, who views right worse than Putin, ISIS, etc.
tatlungt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He answerd, telling you guys his belives after asked. Downvotes? Is he not contributing to the discussion?
back9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:27:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is how CTR rolls
tatlungt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah im just pointing it out. After all the leaks there is no doubt in my mind that the bigger subreddits/the posts that come up high on /r/all is full of them.
dpfw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She also said that he was "more sophisticated and articulate" than his predecessor, Hu Jintao...
hazenthephysicist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Benazir Bhutto (former PM of Pakistan) got along fine with the Chinese. And with the Saudis and Iranians and everyone else.
back9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until she got offed by Al-Qaeda, correct?
hazenthephysicist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was the Taliban, if I remember correctly. I don't imagine they'll have much respect for any US president either, male or female.
Chen19960615 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Chinese politicians generally don't promote sexism.
TurbinePro ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:52:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't need to when every one of them is fucking male
tatlungt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah maybe they need some fucking females to even it out.
[deleted] ยท 2946 points ยท Posted at 15:23:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students are 11-12 so they're on the older side but are still elementary minded in many ways. They have definitely made comments about "the wall". But the comment that gave me the most pause and difficulty was when we were learning about personal finance. They had to create a budget based on hypothetical salary and I was explaining tax brackets so they could find their take-home income. I told them, roughly, that the more you make the more you pay in taxes. One student raised their hand and asked "if Donald Trump is so rich, then how come he doesn't pay taxes?"
MajorNoodles ยท 2604 points ยท Posted at 16:02:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, your school actually teaches its students usable life skills?
lmNotCreativeEnough ยท 306 points ยท Posted at 16:16:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not op but my school did. In the last 5 weeks of senior year.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:20:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah my little sister is a sophomore and she's taking a finance class because of a petition that the seniors led the year before.
mineymonkey ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:09:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good they screw over the people who graduated early :^ )
smilbandit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my kids school has a manditory personal finance class that is used to make the booklets for their exit interviews.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, you made it through twelve years of learning about the quadratic equation, the cotton gin and mitochondria. Now, we're going to go ahead and cram every single bit of practical, applicable and grounded information that you will absolutely require to exist into the next 35 days. Good luck."
dorkdiariesisforboys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, you're not OP!
Jerryy_D ยท 1005 points ยท Posted at 16:14:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in grade 10 and no one has taught us that yet
KiraNinja ยท 985 points ยท Posted at 16:19:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've finished school and no one ever taught me that.
edit: some people are idiots.
[deleted] ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 16:41:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 51. I still don't understand tax brackets.
jetigig ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:04:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an immortal god. I still don't understand tax brackets.
lrrlrr ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The stars and Galaxies died and snuffed out, and space grew black after ten trillion years of running down.
One by one Man fused with AC, each physical body losing its mental identity in a manner that was somehow not a loss but a gain.
Man's last mind paused before fusion, looking over a space that included nothing but the dregs of one last dark star and nothing besides but incredibly thin matter, agitated randomly by the tag ends of heat wearing out, asymptotically, to the absolute zero.
Man said, "AC, how do tax brackets work? Why are they so hard to understand? Was this not taught in grade school?"
AC said, "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."
Man's last mind fused and only AC existed -- and that in hyperspace.
CriticalDispatch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:44:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asimov is wisdom
FairyOfTheStars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But why would we fuse with air conditioning?
Reignbow97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a reference to something? It sounds like it was part of a story but I can't remember what it was
NearlyNakedNick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Last Question, by Isaac Asimov
Reignbow97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks! I haven't read this in so long
Steak_R_Me ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:11:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Simmer down, Loki. Ask your brother nicely and he'll explain them.
kjata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Loki's not immortal. The Aesir and Vanir are pretty easily capable of dying. Just ask Baldr.
Anyway, even Odin couldn't figure out tax brackets.
Cxan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could ask Donald Trump.
MrAcurite ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:38:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the way they work.
Pretend you have a football field. You paint different regions of the field different colours, based on the distance from the left side end zone. 10 yards to 20 yards is blue, 20 yards to 40 yards is red, 40 yards to 45 yards is a light brown, 45 yards to 90 yards is yellow with purple polka dots, 90 yards to the other end zone is black, and everything in and beyond the end zone is, I dunno, hot pink. Now, you start at the left end zone, and start laying $100 bills down next to each other, in a line, towards the next end zone. When you run out of money, you stop. If you hit the other end zone, keep going, placing down bill after bill after bill.
So, where we stand so far is a technicolour football field with a line of bills extending from the left end zone.
Now, the IRS comes, and they have a sheet that tells them what percentage of cash to take from each colour. If they take 20% of the money on blue, and you put 50 bills down in the blue zone, they take 10 of them. 30% on hot pink, 15% on yellow with polka dots, you get the point, whatever. But what changes is the money in a zone: you avoid a zone entirely if you don't have enough money to reach a zone, and any money placed down to the right of a zone is also exempt from it.
So if it takes $10,000 for me to cross the first zone, and $20,000 to cross the second, and $40,000 to cross the third, it takes $70,000 to get to the end of the third zone. If the first zone is taxed at 5%, and the second zone is taxed at 15%, and the third zone is taxed at 30%, then the IRS agent would go down the field, take $500 from the first zone, $3,000 from the second zone, and $21,000 from the third zone, totaling $24,500.
Now let's say you're on another field, just to talk about a point people make some times. Same rules, field is set up differently. Here, it takes $20,000 to cross the first zone, which is taxed at 10%. The second zone, however, is taxed at 50%. You make $20,000 right now, and pay $2,000 in taxes. Your boss wants to give you a raise, to $21,000. "Oh no, now I'll be taxed at a higher rate, and make less money!" Wrong. You put down $21,000 in bills on the football field, the IRS agent takes 10% of the bills in the first zone, and 50% of the bills in the second zone. He's taken $2,000 from the first zone, and $500 from the second zone, leaving you with $18,500, whereas you previously were left with $18,000.
That probably doesn't make a ton of sense. Ask me if you want clarification.
Source: You pick up things when you're the son of an accountant.
WtotheSLAM ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:43:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It probably does make sense but to sum it up, you won't lose money by getting into a higher tax bracket. I did the math one day and even if you went up by one dollar and found yourself in a higher tax bracket, you'd still make more than if you were paid one dollar less and in a lower tax bracket
MrAcurite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. That's not so much you doing the math, and more how the system was designed to work.
Zebramouse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tl;dr
MrAcurite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Income tax is divided into brackets, which are defined by 1) two levels of income, and 2) a tax percentage. Money that you make between those two income levels is taxed at that percentage. If there's a bracket from $20,000 to $40,000 at 10%, money that you make after your first $20,000 and before your first $40,000 is taxed at 10%. Money that comes before a given bracket, i.e. your first $20,000 before the $20,000 to $40,000 bracket, is never taxed at that bracket. If you were to make $30,000, only your last $10,000 would be taxed at that amount.
The problem with a TL;DR is that you lose the explanation, and from that a lot of the comprehension.
Zebramouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was kidding with the tl;dr. It's my usual dickish response to big walls of text. Thanks for the shorter explanation though.
ricecake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have money.
You have boxes.
Each box holds a certain amount of money.
You put your money in the boxes, starting small and working towards large.
When a box is full, you start putting your money in the next box.
The IRS takes a percentage of the money in each box, a different percentage for each one.
That's progressive income tax in a nutshell.
In the practical world, the IRS takes a chunk of each paycheck based on what you would have ended up paying from above, less a bit for allowances like family. Those are your exemptions you setup with your employer.
Come tax day, you figure out where the IRS took too much or too little, allowing for things that the IRS doesn't know about (the government likes it when you do certain things, so they either don't tax you on it, (taking college classes) or they reduce you taxes by the amount you spent (donating to charity)). Then someone is mailing a check to someone else depending on if you owed or get back.
atomicthumbs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you earn $20,000, it has a certain tax rate. say the tax bracket goes up to $20,000, and there's another one with a higher rate that goes to $50,000. now if you earn $50,000, the first $20,000 is taxed at the first bracket rate, and the remainder ($30,000) is taxed at the $50,000 rate.
so overall, you pay less tax.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They taught us in school about british history but not how to do taxes. Its a fucking bad joke. I dont care about the War of Roses lady, aint nobody got time for that!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys are having a laugh. There's no such thing as taxes right? Right?
churchey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, personal financial literacy became a push around 2010, following the crash. TX implemented their personal financial literacy TEKS in 2011 or 12, I can't recall.
These things take time to implement in state law, then local school boards, then local school departments, then the classrooms themselves.
Wenderbeck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
23 and I have not and never will had a finance class besides the one taught by life.
KiraNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best teacher.
cocochubu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in grade 11 and they say they get fired if they teach us that
KiraNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a new thing? This was about 6-7 years ago for me
wildflowersummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember my school teaching us how to write checks. Really helped me out in my adult life. They did a long lesson on Canada too though and that has yet to be helpful at all so...
Phoneking13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work for the IRS and surprised they don't teach stuff like this.
BoxTurtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in grad school and no one ever taught me that. All kinds of things I'll never need to know but we managed to skip how taxes work.
TheBitchTits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was never taught that until my 12th grade economics class. Luckily I went to a private school in a high income area where the parents have already taught their kids how to properly budget, and our teacher was really good at making sure we knew the importance of it all
NikolaTwain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I went to a private hs, and we had a semester long class that covered critical thinking/logic and personal finance. It was kind of a strange way to do it, but they covered a good amount of material.
NotTipsy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:29:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably because you left school :/
KiraNinja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I meant when I finished it. That was a while ago
chairfairy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should've stayed :P
KiraNinja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can't stay when you're too old for it.
Mike-Oxenfire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took accounting and two finance classes and I still don't know that
KiraNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think I had an economics class in my first year of high school, but they just taught us how to sit at our desks and how to type.
I now slouch at my desk and type lazily.
DrRazmataz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated a few years ago and was never taught anything to that effect.
turnbone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just smile and nod
Jerryy_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How else do you get through school
UserNamesCantBeTooLo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey Jerry, check out /r/personalfinance. It's a pretty good resource for financial advice.
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/commontopics
Jerryy_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, I will check it out
churchey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, personal financial literacy became a push around 2010, following the crash. TX implemented their personal financial literacy TEKS in 2011 or 12, I can't recall.
These things take time to implement in state law, then local school boards, then local school departments, then the classrooms themselves.
sparrow5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/personalfinance.
semi- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they did teach you enough math to understand marginal tax brackets, so I mean.. Read the forms you have to fill out and its really not too bad. Not as easy as it should be thanks to intuit lobbying, but not as confusing as most people imply. At least not for the majority of people
DEZbiansUnite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if they taught you math, you should be able to figure it out. It's not rocket science
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i'm in college and i could have taken an elective to learn to cook.
that's all we got.
draygo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have economics as an elective? I did my senior year and is where i learned about tax brackets and the tax system in the US a bit.
crazedmonkey123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you find a good economics teacher you may learn a budget... Got to love American schooling :)
bobandgeorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you taken economics yet?
Jerryy_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not mandatory
bobandgeorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For real? It was mandatory in my state.
Jerryy_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in Canada it ain't mandatory
MarshalltheBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully personal finance will be covered in your high school economics class. In my area, economics is taught senior year. I cover taxes, budgeting, credit cards, etc. because I agree that it is extremely important to focus on life skills in addition to general economic concepts. If your Econ teacher doesn't cover those topics, I'd suggest checking out Khan Academy and Crash Course Economics.
DuntadaMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit man I learned this is 6th grade, and I go to an American public school.
caiti_oh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to get a high level view of financial literacy and are willing to potentially have to give up half a Saturday, you should look into financial literacy programs in your area. You can start by googling "financial literacy 7-12 (your area)" and if that doesn't work you could contact your state's CPA association and see if they have anything. North Carolina's Association of CPAs (NCACPA) has a couple of events for example.
NotATroll71106 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Normally if you want to learn that in school, you have to take an elective. My school did that at least.
Taddare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
god I feel old.
Our 10th grade civics taught us how to balance a checkbook, how to file taxes with a 10-EZ or a 10-40a, how to file states taxes, how voting works...
You know, shit you can use in real life.
joeredspecial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't take rocket appliances to get your grade 10
VenerableSphinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I graduated college and no one ever taught me that.
_xandur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, you've still got two years to not learn it.
poltergoose420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody taught me that period.
Sherlock_Drones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not tryna be a dick or anything. But I'm genuinely curious. What did you think tax bracket meant then? I mean I knew this stuff in elementary school
Jerryy_D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no clue, a piece of tax code?
Sherlock_Drones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:44 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. There are a bunch brackets. And within each bracket there is a set amount of % you owe for taxes. And based in your income, you fall into one bracket, you owe that amount of taxes. So the poor pay less and the rich pay more (well theoretically, usually the rich find ways to not pay. Like Trump.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took a lower level of math called "workplace and apprenticeship", where they actually taught us how compounded vs simple interest, etc worked.
Although, they didn't tell us how the different tax brackets worked, but they did teach us how to do our taxes, and those of us with jobs, used our actual t4's for that assignment.
goldanred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In grade 11 math my class touched on credit cards and car leasing. It wasn't part of the curriculum, but we were a few days ahead of schedule and our teacher wanted us to be semi-successful.
zuppaiaia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am 32 and noone taught me yet.
Jobnm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't all schools do that?? What school did you attend?
InsaneCraig ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not the person you replied to but I graduated High School in 2010 we never learned any of that. This was a middle class suburban school district that is usually ranked highly in the country.
probablyjanne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this really that common? I'm your age, and we have a mandatory course all gr 10-12 must take to graduate that includes finance, as well as multiple electives that include it.
lapotronic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your school district administrators are a bunch of ballers, good for you.
Meanwhile I had a mandatory 2 years of Spanish (or French) that I didn't give a shit about and absolutely 0 finance classes by the time I graduated.
probablyjanne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hmm, maybe it's a canadian thing?
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PromptedHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such as learning how to do your goddamn taxes. Don't you think people should google "the quadratic equation" instead of "how to write a CV"?
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I've never had to execute the idea of the quadratic equation... Surely they could teach new ideas applicable to life or at least more common career paths.
PromptedHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, the quadratic equation represents a new idea and whatever, but don't you think that knowing things that are integral to your life no matter what you do or where you live, such as knowing how to do your taxes, should take at least some precedence? I'm not saying we should throw math out of school and not teach it again ever, but I am saying that things like doing your taxes are an integral part of your life and should be taught at school.
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PromptedHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taxes are an example, and if you learned it in a day then good for you, that doesn't mean that's the time it will take/took for the other 8 billion people on the planet.
Taxes aside, since they were an example, these things that are part of everyone's lives should be taught in all schools. The only schools that seem to teach these skills are the private schools filled with rich kids that probably have their own accountant since the age of ten.
fielderwielder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No... people will learn how to do their taxes because they have to do their taxes. People won't learn about advanced math if they don't have to, because it can be boring and difficult and not that useful in day to day life. Yet an educated population will ultimately be much better prepared for succeeding in work and life. The idea that we should scrap all the "useless" academics like math and history and social studies and just teach kids how to do taxes and balance a checkbook and other practical skills is not a new idea, but it is a bad idea. Besides, when you get out of high school your first couple jobs are not likely to lead to a complicated tax situation. You just have to fill out a couple forms. You can google that. And if they taught you all about making deduction in high school you would not remember a shred of it when you got into your mid 20s or 30s and finally had cause to use that knowledge.
PromptedHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read my other comments with other guy, please. Pretty sure that adresses your arguments as well.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe your parents should teach you. School is for academics, life is for life skills.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then what the fuck is gym class for?
PM_ur_Rump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Towel snaps.
Callox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say that the fundamentals of our economic system and how we function within it is as academic as any other subject.
ChipLady ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:34:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 30 and no one has taught me that.
Meetchel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 35 and no one has taught me that yet.
espo1234 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in grade 10 and taking a retarded class called Personal Finance, but it is teaching you things based off of unrealistic scenarios (invest a lot! If you open a compounding interest account that compounds at 18%, and invest x amount each year, you'll be a multi-millionaire!". Yeah, no shit. But where are you going to find 18% every year for 50 years!??!
Drachefly ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:18:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I learned how to fill a tax return in 7th grade. Just the 1040-EZ, but yeah.
wolfyreturns ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:26:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell
RegalKillager ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
still relevant.
mynewaccount5 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:47:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude just look up TurboTax. No need for a class on something so easy.
smiles134 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:17:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but it's much easier to complain about "school doesn't teach us anything useful" than to, idk, put in the effort to learn something on your own.
Or buy fucking turbotax
mynewaccount5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heck most of the people complaining can probably just use the 1040EZ
echisholm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid is in 7th and they are teaching her personal finance right alongside the scientific method of rigorous testing and logical conclusions. Say what you will about Iowa, but their school system is ok iny book.
DevinTheGrand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most elementary schools teach basic finances, but people don't remember learning that because it's in elementary school. If you take low level math in high school you'll also learn "life skills", if you take calculus people generally assume you can probably figure out taxes.
LonleyArtsClub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At my school it's a mandatory class where we learn how to budget, do taxes and write a resume.
magda_smash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach that stuff to college freshman. I long for a world where 18 isn't the first time they have seen this stuff.
Oh_THAT_Guy_GMD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorcery!
draygo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I learned it in econ 101, but it was an elective my senior year. Did you have economics as an elective?
Pussy-Goblin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in my third year of college, and this is the first year I've learned anything useful.
Solar-Salor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school has financial algebra that teaches tax brackets and how to apply for jobs, etc. but it's an elective and almost all the kids in that class have failed normal math.
Taximan20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am in Grade 12, I still haven't learned anything to do with taxes! In Gr.10 math I think we learned how to make a table, yet a computer can do that for me!
churchey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, personal financial literacy became a push around 2010, following the crash. TX implemented their personal financial literacy TEKS in 2011 or 12, I can't recall.
These things take time to implement in state law, then local school boards, then local school departments, then the classrooms themselves.
YessumMasa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was taught about the tax bracket in AP economics. I still don't know how to read it.
chickenbites ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was so lucky to learn this stuff in school, but it was in an optional class that most people didn't take because it wasn't "fun"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was taught that in Grade 8 ish. It wasn't really the same, more like Interest, we had a business project with investments, profits, etc., we learned about commission, net salary, a tad of taxes. But I forget it all :'(. Worst part is that I'm in the science program, which means no fun electives while the other programs can choose things like Business, Law or Financial literacy. Because Sciency people dont need that, right?
Ferfrendongles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"
Galactic_Nerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always surprised when it turns out other schools didn't have mandatory personal finance classes like mine did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My high school did. It was an all-female Catholic school, but for one semester the religion elective was a life skills class. It was surprisingly pro-contraception in terms of the piece we learned about raising children and family psychology from what I remember, and we had a project where we went to look for and write the prices of all the things we would have or want to have in our first home or apartment, including budgeting for rent and cost of living expenses. The sex Ed class was good too, as a side note- we learned a lot of detail about STD's and what kinds of birth control are available. Not many scare tactics, all very reasonable. Aside from what I've heard about my friends' high schools, we hadn't had a single teenage pregnancy.
soldier4peace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's mandated in Highschool to take consumer education it's great
Bananawamajama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school taught me algebra and I pay my taxes just fine, so I don't know why people are always complaining about that.
drumdeity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We did a one-time personal finance thing in 6th grade that was super helpful
creaturecatzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my senior year classes was split up so the first semester was government and the second was econ. He had us make a budget based on a certain income and had us fill out tax sheets based on what income we pulled from a hat. Pretty cool teacher too, knew how to interact and not be biased, I don't know who he's voting for and we talked about it pretty much every school day
DemIce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We got taught all that, as well as forms of business and all that.
What they didn't teach was all the other stuff that the government (or non-government governing body, such as HOAs) throws at you that isn't as obvious. You should get life insurance. Your should get insurance for your pet (not the U.S., can't just bury them in your yard, there's rules to be followed). You should read on whether or not you need to clean the sidewalk in front of your house. Over in the U.S you might need to keep the area around the fire hydrant that's next to your plot of land clear of debris, snow, wildgrowth, etc.
It's stuff that you don't generally get taught, and nobody hands you a "Here's what to do in your life" package upon graduating. While I understand that the point of education is that by that time, you should know how to research exactly such things with critical thinking ("What happens if I die? Wait, who pays for my funeral? Oh, that's usually covered by life insurance? I guess I should get life insurance.") - but I'm guessing most people haven't critically thought about that fire hydrant and whose problem it is.
scroobiusmac3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At my school if you were in "Horizons", which was for advanced students, we did a project in third or fourth grade where we got assigned different family types (I was a single mom with a son, other people had families of four or things like that) and we got an income and had to budget food and bills and write checks for a month. Only useful thing I've learned.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My feeling is make it possible for kids to learn these things in school, but don't force it upon them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I learned in 6th grade math how to make a living off of a wage for a family of four. We each got randomized professions and had to plan out how we would have a house, car, 2 children and still have money to pay bills. Mine was extremely fucking difficult since I was a waitress. My friend was a CEO.
BreakingInReverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Financial Literacy is required in to graduate in my state. I'm taking it right now and it's actually useful.
Meow99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter took "financial awareness" in high school. She learned a lot in that class. Now she is afraid of credit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much everyone learns about tax rates in math class, they're just jerking off instead of paying attention so they don't remember and then blame school for not telling them.
Otlot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In elementary school in my merit class (class for the 'gifted' students) we learned personal finance and practiced writing and balancing a checkbook. Im not sure it was very effective since I was a snot nosed kid at the time and didn't pay attention.
Nature17-NatureVerse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How will they ever be successful in life!?
remy_porter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was covered in my middle school home economics class. It also covered things like balancing a checkbook, which people used to do back when checks still roamed the earth.
Joliet_Jake_Blues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school did this in 8th grade. Illinois.
Bombadilicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter's 5th grade class is learning budgeting. They get "money" for classroom jobs. They can buy things from the class store but must make sure they save enough to pay rent each month. If they can't make rent, they have to work during recess to earn more money. I think it's a great lesson.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously not, if the teacher doesn't even understand basic tax law.
H_Floyd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you mean what you wrote, but this really should have /s.
Schools have been slandered for years on end, and it's really not OK anymore. Of course schools teach "usable life skills". If you're looking to blame someone for a bad upbringing, look no further than the tree from which the apple fell. All the good that teachers can do in 7 hours can be handily undone once they get home.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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OPS_MOM_DELIVERS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:51:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My exact thought
King_of_Shade ยท 359 points ยท Posted at 15:58:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you explain why? I've noticed a lot of people can't grasp the concept of deductions or loopholes in the tax code.
all_teh_sandwiches ยท 404 points ยท Posted at 16:31:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People think the higher tax bracket rate will be applied to their whole salary.
Burnt_Couch ยท 427 points ยท Posted at 16:48:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's always funny when people bring this up.
"Well if I made $5,000 more this year I'd get bumped into the next tax bracket and have to pay more tax so I'd actually end up taking less money home!"
No. No you wouldn't. That's not how that works.
thedinosarefriends ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 17:10:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I unfortunately knew someone that quit their job rather than accept a great promotion because they could not understand this...
theivoryserf ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 17:23:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus fucking what
Reddit_beard ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:12:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That business dodged a bullet
HaHaHarls ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:10:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, this is what I've always heard/been taught. How does it work?
12tb ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 17:22:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This is simplified terms. Let's say the lowest tax bracket is up to $30,000 at 15%, and then the next tax bracket is from $30,001 to $50,000 at 20%, and the next bracket is from $50,001 to $70,000 at 25%, and it's 30% for anything over that. If you make $71,000, the first $30,000 will be taxed at 15%, the next $20,000 (from $30,001 to $50,000) will be taxed at 20%, the next $20,000 (from $50,001 to $70,000) will be taxed at 25%, and the last $1,000 will be taxed at 30%.
Edit: fixed some numbers.
punkin_spice_latte ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:27:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I wouldn't say this is quite ELI5 (since 5 year olds can do percents) but it's pretty close. I never really knew that before.
chop_talk ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:54:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tax rates are marginal.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:22:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now I know what marginal means, too. Thank you.
Grim99CV ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:56:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, TIL. Now I have a better way to explain to people why making more does not mean less take home money.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:21:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I have a Masters degree. But my math is just bad. I'm applying to better-paying jobs (see how I use the hyphen correctly) and I thought I would take home about the same. Now I see more pay is better.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:42:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do people not understand this? Have they never filled out a tax return before?
SCB39 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:15:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most take a W2 to H&R Block or something. Very few people I have met really understand their taxes in any meaningful way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Wow. Like, I get the convenience aspect (I've brought them in to a tax shop once when I was busy), but I think everyone should do their taxes at least once using the old-fashioned paper forms. They're really not that scary.
EDIT: Actually, here in Canada, I'm pretty sure your first return has to be done with the paper forms, not the online filing service - at least that was the case when I did my first return at 15.
SCB39 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First thing I did when I saw the thread turn this direction was skim for people who had no idea how their taxes work, because those people are everywhere. Crazy to me that people wouldn't figure out the details on how their yearly pay works, at a bare minimum. I can't talk about finer points of deductions like an accountant, but I can at least figure out how much my take-home is in a year.
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SCB39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll note that I straight up said I don't know the entire tax code. What I know is basic info about progressive tax rates, because those directly affect me in daily budgeting.
So yeah I guess hooray for me? Really not that hard, is what my main point is.
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're vastly overestimating the complexity of progressive tax rates.
Edit: Why so hostile? Doesn't make a ton of sense to be mad at someone else for putting effort into something. That's some "must fight nerds because learning is stupid" kind of silliness.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In what way are you "fucked" by taxes?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is literally impossible under the tax code of the United States. I linked you the IRS progressive tax rates above.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean dude it's basic math. I obviously don't have 50 years of your tax returns in front of me but there is no possible way that you received a raise that then resulted in you bringing home less money.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I mean this sincerely - you should find someone to talk to. The "nothing left to lose" statements are worrying, and you should take those thoughts seriously.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People who understand progressive taxation? That's a weird thing to carve out a niche in hell for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is just a train of [deleted] posts for me - what was the guy saying?
SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There is a special place in Hell for people like you." Was the last comment. Basically the exchange was him being upset about taxes and that he was about to be homeless.
It was a weird conversation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Avoiding the second paragraph entirely, I don't think my posts are saying what you think they're saying. I'm not saying that you're stupid and thus paid more in taxes as a result (the topic of deductions has never come up in this dialogue). Instead I am saying that your misconceptions of tax law mean you're taking home more money than you think you are.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I clarified where your misconception was on your other post.
evaned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it's totally 100% possible to go through your taxes with paper forms and never figure this out, at least in the US with incomes < $100K. (This is because to figure out your tax owed, you have to look up your taxable income in a table.)
It's not like even someone who is a little curious will run through the papers with a dozen different scenarios to compare how their takehome differs.
bibiane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I always thought it worked but people older than me who make more money than me insist it's wrong! I need to find a goddamn book about taxes!
skaikru8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but there are consequences on capital gains rates if you get moved up to a higher bracket. The lower brackets pay less on any kind of investment income but higher regular tax brackets get a higher rate applied to all of their investment income.
The lowest brackets are taxed 0% on long term investments, then the rest are at 15% except the highest which is at 20%
evaned ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While true, the capital gains brackets work the same way, and don't invalidate the principle.
In particular, it's not the case that if you're in a low bracket (0%, 10%, or 15% ordinary income bracket) where capital gains is taxed at 0% that all of your capital gains will necessarily be taxed at 0%. If you have enough capital gains that your sum total income reaches the 25% ordinary income bracket, then you'll be paying 15% capital gains rates above that amount.
For example, suppose that the 25% ordinary income (/15% capital gains bracket) starts at $50,000. If you make $45K in ordinary income and $10K in capital gains, you'll be paying 15% capital gains tax on $5K of that income. So if you make $49,999 and then go to $50,000, you don't suddenly pay 15% on all of your capital gains income, just the $1 that was taxed at 0% and is now taxed at 15%.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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evaned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:30:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I put the details there if you want to see it.
The important part shouldn't be hard to understand: capital gains works the same as ordinary income. Only the portion that falls above a certain bracket is taxed at that rate. Making more money can't make those brackets "jump" by more than the amount of your raise. You'll never take home less by making more because of the brackets, even taking capital gains into account.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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evaned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of three things are happening.
First, there are some edge cases with certain credits in particular where you can get disqualified for a credit faster than you can make up the loss. There, it's possible to lose by making more. But these are fairly rare, and have narrow bands of effects.
Second, you're getting caught up in changes in tax law.
Third, you don't know what you're doing.
But I assure you, from the standpoints of just the brackets themselves (and aside from common "micro" effects of less than $15 that occur because income of less than $100K is put into $25 or $50 buckets), the brackets don't work the way you think they work. Capital gains or no. If you're hitting something, it's not capital gains.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ComplainyBeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you saying you get less of a tax RETURN when you make more money?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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not_a_clever_phrase ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are earning a salary and your company is withholding taxes for you, you will have a smaller tax return if you have any additional earnings from stock options, dividends and capital gains.
Part of your salary is being withheld from you to pay income taxes, but the additional earnings usually aren't withheld so you have to pay those taxes at the end of the year resulting in a smaller tax return. If you make a lot of income that is not withheld you can owe taxes at the end of the year, but your net income will almost always be higher for every additional dollar you earn.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SCB39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your tax return is literally a return on money you overpaid on taxes. A smaller return means you overpaid less on taxes, which is always a net positive as that overpay translates to giving the US government a small loan at 0% interest for a year or so instead of doing something productive on it.
In basic terms you ideally want to have a $0 tax return every year.
ricecake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's basically taxes for investments. "capital gains" essentially means that you made money by having money. Interest, stocks, selling property and the like.
The government collects little to no taxes on that form of income if you don't make a lot of money. This is one way they encourage the average person to save money for the future.
The tax rate on capital gains goes up as you make more money through conventional means.
An exception to this is if you make a large amount through capital gains. Then they start taxing it again, even if you have no other income.
This makes it so that a billionaire can't live tax free on their interest income.
Tl;dr: a guy making minimum wage is taxed less on his savings account than a guy pulling seven figures. If you have a billion in savings, you can't skip out on paying taxes on it by being unemployed.
Lvl1_Villager ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:32:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an example, you make 30k and pay 30% tax. That's 9k in tax. That leaves you with 21k.
You then get a raise, so now you make 35k. The next tax bracket starts above 30k and is 35%.
So, you pay 30% on the first 30k you make, which is still 9k. That leaves you with 35k - 30k = 5k for the next bracket. So you pay 35% on that 5k, which is 1.75k in tax.
So, for the 35k you pay 9k + 1.75k in tax, which is 10.75k. So you keep 24.25k. Which is 3.25k more than you made before the raise.
The misconception is that you pay 35% on all the 35k (12.25k), which would leave you with 22.75k, which incidentally is still more than you made before the raise.
HaHaHarls ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:14:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for explaining this - I can't believe this isn't taught in schools or something? I really appreciate the example, makes perfect sense now.
YearOfTheChipmunk ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:17:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only the salary in the bracket gets taxed that brackets rate.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The higher tax only applies the money earned above the threshold. So only the 5k is taxed at that higher rate. Anything below that remains taxed at its regular levels. Net benefit.
motorsizzle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's tiered, not retroactive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(Thank you HaHaHaris. I didn't want to ask.)
Huttj ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:36:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are some edge cases where this is actually true (though not due to tax brackets), but those are generally at the low income side of things. If, for example, your raise bumps you out of food stamp eligibility, you could easily wind up netting less than before.
Depending on other expenses, you might literally not be able to afford a raise.
TheBatmanToMyBruce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is an incredibly sad situation to end up in. I read a story recently about a lady in my hometown becoming homeless, because she got a job and was kicked out of her subsidized housing for earning too much - before she'd received her first paycheck. The final insult was that to qualify for the subsidized housing, she had to prove she was applying for jobs.
juicemagic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, it depends on how your state income tax is set up. I've had friends on the lower end of the spectrum (full-time making $9-10 an hour) get a small raise and wind up taking home less money than they were before.
I'm sure that it evened out with a tax return, but it sure screws things up when your entire budget is screwed over by taking homeless money after a raise.
Huttj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooh, yeah, if they have their withholding set up incorrectly (whether by choice or by default for the company/state) that'd do it.
If you're getting a notable refund, you paid too much in withholding. A tax refund is like getting change from the cashier, except you paid the bill in installments over the course of the year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is true in certain instances where earning more pushes you over one or more of the income limits on common tax deductions or credits. Still, it's usually worth it unless it just barely pushes you over.
Retired_Rentboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL. I'm not proud.
TheKakattack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Could you explain how it does work? I honestly don't understand.
jmalbo35 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You only get taxed at the higher level on the money you made above that level.
So, using totally made up numbers, say there's a 0% tax rate up to $25,000, then 10% for $50,000, and 20% on everything else.
With a progressive tax like the one used in the US, everyone would pay 0% tax on their first $25,000 regardless of how much they make, then a 10% tax only on the next $25,000. So rather than paying $5,000 as someone making $50,000, they only pay $2,500, because taxes are progressive and their first $25,000 is taxed at a 0% rate. Someone making $100,000 in that system would then pay $12,500 (0 on the first 25k, 2500 on the next 25k, and 10,000 on the final 50k) rather than $20,000.
So let's say someone who was making $49,000 feared being bumped up to $51,000 because of the tax bracket change. On the $49,000 they would've been paying $2,400 in taxes (10% of the $24,000 above the 25k cutoff) for a take-home pay of $46,600. On $51,000 they'd be paying $2,700 in taxes (10% on the $25,000 over the 25k cutoff but under the 50k cutoff, and 20% on the $1,000 over the 50k cutoff) for a take-home pay of $48,300. Clearly they had nothing to fear, as they're still making more than they were previously.
TheKakattack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah! Okay thanks so much. So basically even the richest people pay the same taxes for the first 50k a year they make as everyone elses first 50k.
whelks_chance ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you work more to get that raise, the extra pay would be sliced harder though.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I.....what?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I somehow understand this. He's saying if you get a raise the part over the earlier bracket will be hit harder. If it takes you into another, higher bracket. I'm so glad I'm finally learning about taxes. It's like this: Earn a little, they take some. Earn more, they take more, but only from the part that isn't the part that they didn't take that much from before you worked harder.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand tax brackets, I don't understand the point he is trying to make.
Or more like, I think I do understand what he's trying to say, it's just simplistic political commentary.
whelks_chance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even slightly political, not sure where you read that from. Please see above!
whelks_chance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew this would be confusing, but it's happened to me.
Ok, imagine I'm working 40 hours a week, and effectively working $1 an hour, and I'm taxed 10% of my wages at the end of each week. I'd get $36 dollars to take home, and each hours work would provide me with 90c.
Then I get a second job, work 10 hours over the weekend at $1 an hour, but now I'm over the lower tax limit, and anything over $40 a week is taxed at 20%. Each extra hour I work is now only worth 80c.
So I'm working more hours, I'm tired, losing a weekend, and the hours I'm working are giving me less to take home than my weekday hours.
Yes, I have more money overall, but the extra effort is providing me less than the previous efforts, and my quality of life is taking a hit too.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Those percentages are pretty drastically exaggerated regarding the jump in tax burden for lower earners. Even then, you are only being taxed an overall 12%.
But you are making a full 25% more. And still taking home 22% more.
Let's put some slightly more real pay in there, but keep your tax brackets.
$20/hr x 40hrs = $800/week
$800 - 10% = $720
$20/hr x 10hrs = $200/week
$200 - 20% = $160/week extra take home.
$160 week extra when you are making $720 isn't a bad little chunk. That's over $600 a month.
Truth is, tax burdens aren't what is hurting the working class. Basically, if a large personal tax bill is a big concern, you don't really have many concerns to begin with. Besides, I like paying taxes. Roads and emergency services and schools and such are nice things to have.
Edit: I'm a pretty low-budget person, myself, so this isn't coming from a place of comfort with no experience in working my ass off for little return.
Again, it's not taxes that hurt us, it's the nature of the modern economy in general.
whelks_chance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing I said was being anti taxes, I agree with you that they're a vital way to pay for things society needs.
The comment was more to point out that if you're working hard, and discover that working more doesn't bring in the same proportion of pay, then you may reconsider doing those extra hours. It depends what you value your time at. The hit to your take-home pay at the higher tax rate may not be worth getting out of bed for.
Put another way, normally when you work extra hours you can expect higher pay per hour due to overtime. My example had a lower hourly rate, so it's less inviting.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the tax man's fault. That's up to you. You are the one saying "Is this worth it." If it's not, then why do it?
It's a complicated issue, but this specific example is more of a mental issue than anything. The tax issue is just an easy scapegoat when you feel cheated by the realities oc today's economy.
[deleted] ยท 252 points ยท Posted at 16:45:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of times I hear (using fake numbers here) "if I make $59,999 and am taxed at 30% why would I ever want a raise to $60,000 and have to pay 35%? You're discouraging people from making money!!" Is quite ridiculous.
QueenRotidder ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had people older (and younger) than I am tell me that if I work too much overtime I'll lose it all to a higher tax rate when I jump to a higher bracket... I'm over 40. The number of people who don't grasp this basic concept astounds me.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:39:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Part of the problem is the way most tax forms are designed.
The Canadian one asks you to fill out the bracket fitting your gross income. To most people, this looks like your entire income is at the higher bracket, despite that the higher bracket asks you specifically to subtract the lower bracket off...
draygo ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:13:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've tried to explain it as well. It is hard to get them to grasp that they would literally be paying $.35 more in taxes due to that $1 raise. Usually the response I get is, "Oh you're asian, so you're good at math"
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:05:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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klartraume ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:42:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the tax credits worked as intended - they helped your family through a tougher time.
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MallFoodSucks ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:49:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not even true with tax credits. They get phased out slowly, between $37k-$51k and is based on a percentage. If you went from getting max credit, to no credit, it means you're income increased $15-20k~ and you shouldn't really miss the 5-6k credit. So you still end up as a net positive, no matter what.
The point of credits is to make it easier for low income, but since it phases out by % it's not like "I made 5k more, so I lost the 5k credit!" It's more like "I made 5k more to kick out my credit, so I lost my 1k credit since I made enough to only get a 1k credit."
klartraume ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see, makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
HeatDeathIsCool ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:24:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If a 4.5k difference wiped out more than the extra money you made in that year, how do you describe yourself getting paid more and your wife getting a nice job when those two factors combined only added less than 4.5k to your yearly income? It sounds like you didn't get paid more and she worked like ten hours a week.
Or are you talking about your raises from the year before, which you didn't describe? In that case, it seems like you had several years of improving your situation where you still got a sizable return, rather than the return gradually getting smaller over the course of those few years.
MortiseLock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Income tax returns are not a good thing. Getting an income tax return means that you had more money withheld from your pay in the previous year than you owed. Essentially, you gave the government a $6k interest-free loan that first year.
The size of your return also doesn't relate to your tax burden for the year. While it's probably not the case for you, you can easily get a larger return in a year you paid more taxes if you're not careful, especially if you have irregular earnings like bonuses or high-paying work that only lasts part of the year.
Next year, try using the IRS withholding calculator some time early in the year to get an idea of how much you'll owe, and plan your W4 allowances accordingly. That way, you'll get the $6k or $1.5k throughout the year in the form of lower withholdings from your paychecks. You can then use it as you need it during the year, instead of waiting on the IRS to pay you back in April 2018.
maxToTheJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you see people complain because their neighbor got a bigger tax return. Facepalm.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MortiseLock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, if your credits are pushing you into a negative tax liability, you shouldn't be paying anything during the year. No income tax withheld at all.
But it doesn't sound like that's what's happening.
jeleanor11 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hang on, I thought that was how it worked? I'm in the UK, not sure if that makes any difference. Please can you explain it to me?
theivoryserf ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:25:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So say you're taxed 30% under ยฃ30,000, and 35% from ยฃ30,000 to ยฃ40,000. You're paid, say, ยฃ37,000.
You pay 30% on the first ยฃ30k and 35% on the next ยฃ7k.
It would be nonsensical any other way!
jeleanor11 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:27:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I'm still a student - I've been working since I was 16 (20 now) but I've never had a job that makes enough to put me in a tax bracket before. Sorry for being ignorant, but I was only asking.
theivoryserf ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:32:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I deleted it and put something more helpful!
jeleanor11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I know I need to learn this stuff, but it's hard knowing where to start. I wish tax returns etc were covered in school - it's a bit embarassing to not know that stuff as an adult. Thank you for explaining it :)
GeorgeofJungleton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
UK here, the tax bands are:
ยฃ0 - ยฃ11,000: 0%
ยฃ11,000 - ยฃ43,000: 20%
ยฃ43,000 - ยฃ150,000: 40%
ยฃ150,000 +: 45%
So if you earn ยฃ175,000 then you would pay:
11,000 * 0% = ยฃ0
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32,000 * 20% = ยฃ6,400
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107,000 * 40% = ยฃ42,800
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25,000 * 45% = ยฃ11,250
Total = ยฃ60,450 (35%)
jeleanor11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! I appreciate your non-judgemental response :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do people really say that? no way
Caedro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But in your example, you would be taking home less. I think I understand your point, but don't think I fully understood the example.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 35% you pay is applied to any money you make over $59,999, not to the whole amount.
Caedro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for explaining that.
CptNoble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister complains about how much she loses when she puts in a lot of overtime. "It's just not worth it!" She never complains about the large EITC refund she gets every year, though. I gave up long ago trying to explain these things to family. It's not worth it.
marzolian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In high school, a classmate tried to tell me that the tax code discouraged people from earning more. Years later, when did my own taxes the first few times, I figured out what me meant. For certain income levels you would take your deductions and exemptions, then up the taxable income in a table and find the total tax. If you made, for example, $12,001 to $12,025, you paid $535, and if you made $12,026, it jumped to $541 (totally made up numbers). So if you made one more dollar, it cost you $7 in tax.
Not sure if it's still that way, I use software and an accountant.
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evaned ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:24:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not true broadly, but the specific example /u/marzolian mentions is. Despite the rates being quoted as 15% or 25% or whatever, the actual tax you pay, up to $100,000, are really divided into $25 or $50 buckets, and at the border of those buckets there's the regressive nature. But we're talking about drops of single digit dollar amounts here, so as soon as you earn $10 more you're back in the green.
You can see this in the tax tables.
(It's possible there's an alternative calculation that you're allowed to use, but I don't really think so.)
There are also some other edge cases where there are credits or deductions or similar that are phased out poorly and can set you back by making more.
IArentDavid ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 17:16:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless, income taxes do discourage people from making money, as its literally a tax on productivity.
queenkellee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cannot believe how many people think this. It always comes up when you talk about the top tax brackets and how much higher they used to be. YOU MEAN THEY PAID 90% OF WHAT THEY MADE TO TAXES? No you fucking idiot. The fact is, it's in the best interests of Republicans for people NOT to understand this because it makes all their tax arguments so much better when people fundamentally don't understand how it works.
maxToTheJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://today.yougov.com/news/2013/01/08/understanding-how-marginal-taxes-work-its-all-part/
Here is an interesting read for the theory that republicans benefit from tax ignorance
Not-The-Messiah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it the case!?
TIL I need to follow Economy 101.
all_teh_sandwiches ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:48:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
here's an explanation I've found useful:
Let's say that you are making $49999 a year, and are getting taxed at 25% where the tax bracket is at $50000 (so you're paying ~12500 in taxes). Now let's say you get a raise of $2, so you're making $50001 per year, and you're told your tax rate is now 33%. You are not about to start paying $16666 in taxes- you're going to pay your usual 12.5K, plus the 33% tax on the dollar you're making over $50000 (in this case, 33 cents)
KimJong_Bill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, I've lived 22 years and just now found this out. Thanks Reddit!
maxToTheJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://today.yougov.com/news/2013/01/08/understanding-how-marginal-taxes-work-its-all-part/
Here is an interesting read about how this breaks down by political party
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:07:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be.
all_teh_sandwiches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're telling me that someone who makes $50001 should be taxed at 35% while someone who makes $49999 should be taxed at 25%? (hypothetical numbers, but do you see the problem here?)
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:27:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CaptCoffeeCake ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:46:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if you run a sole-priority business, any business profit/expense and business deductions are balanced against your personal income tax. Such as, a family owned restaurant would can write off the cost of ovens, tables, and steel for building an expansion/renovation... and then deduct that expense over a few years.
Donald Trump runs a few multi-billion businesses as sole-proprieties. He does the same thing, but buying airlines and building golfcourses. That particular year (and once before that) it's known he wound up with a few hundred million in deductible expenses. Which, offset against his income over numerous years, resulted in his taxes having little to no taxable income.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:44:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the deduction Trump used was not only legal, but extremely common. A LOT of businesses use that deduction. I don't like Trump, but that tax scandal was dumb.
PWR_BTTM ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:48:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think part of the controversy revolves around the fact that he won't release his tax returns.
Grimsterr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the reason he doesn't want to release it is that it'll show just how in the pocket of foreign interests he is, due to how much of his money is from overseas.
If he had to fill out an SF-86 (to get security clearance) with that much foreign influence in his income he'd likely not get cleared.
TheBellBrah ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:17:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emails.
maxToTheJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is still right because most people arent incorporated. Most people just need a standard deduction
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not sure only the 1% are incorporated, since well over the top 1% of the population owns incorporated businesses.
Beegrene ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are upset that it was legal in the first place. A big part of Bernie Sanders' platform was that the ultra-rich play by different rules and don't pay their fair share. Trump not paying taxes just reinforces that point.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:13:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This tax deduction can be taken by ANY sized incorporated business posting losses. It's a forward deduction meant to incentivize businesses into continuing to grow even after ending in losses one year. A local business pulling in 1 million a year could do this, and probably does, not just the ultra rich.
Edit: fixed a word.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Trump.
But this media has shown me how much in the pocket of Hillary the media is.
I mean, a lot of horrendous allegations are true about Trump.
But a huge amount of those circulating the media right now are probably fakes and fabrications.
Hillary also smeared Gary Johnson pretty hard 2 weeks ago constantly.
The way I think of this election. Trump crossed a line in his speeches and rhetoric.
Hillary crossed the line from her use of the media in the way she is using it.
She is making legitimate things look bad on top of the bad stuff as well, and that sits very wrong with me. Will not vote for that whore or that orange buffoon.
WenchSlayer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
there are tons of things that a normal person can get written off or at least get a deduction for on their taxes. The real difference is that the 1% are able to hire extremely good tax attorneys who can find and take advantage of every 'loophole.'
evaned ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is an oversimplification. I think there are at least three things going on, and being able to hire expensive tax lawyers is probably the least important of the three.
The two other things that I think are important are (ii) what businesses can deduct, and (iii) a category of deductions that are technically available to everyone but in effect you typically need to be reasonably wealthy before they apply to you.
Example of (ii). And note that this definitely isn't just the 1% and actually there are quite a few lower-income people who own businesses -- in addition to what would typically come to mind, this would include people working as 1099 contractors, for example.
Suppose you want to take a vacation to Miami.
If you're most people, you take a vacation to Miami.
If you're a business owner, you could look for a conference or trade show or something being held in Miami and go to that. This could probably be justified as an "ordinary and necessary" business expense -- which means congratulations, much of your Miami vacation is now deductible.
I don't know how much this is actually done, especially outside of sole proprietorship, but this is a deduction that most people just flat out don't have access to even with the best tax lawyer.
Example of (iii). The effect of donating to charity appreciated assets rather than cash. This is an example that, if I'm honest with myself, I think counts as a loophole and probably ought to be closed; even though there's a reasonable chance I'll take advantage of it in the future if it's not.
Some background in case anyone doesn't know about how capital gains taxes works. Suppose you buy something (stocks and real estate are the most common places you see this applied, but it really applies for most "something"s), it increases in value, and then you sell it for an amount more than you paid. You owe capital gains tax on the difference between the purchase price (called the "basis") and the sale price. So for example, if you buy $2500 in shares of GOOG and later sell it for $5000 and your capital gains rate is 15%, you'll owe 15% of ($5000 - $2500) = $375.
(This is an oversimplification because other things can add or subtract from the basis, but that's pretty irrelevant for this discussion.)
Suppose I have that $5000 in GOOG with a $2500 basis, and suppose I want to donate $5000 to some charity, say Doctors Without Borders.
One thing I could do is give $5000 cash to MSF. Boom, goal accomplished: MSF is $5000 richer. And come tax time, I get to deduct that $5000 donation. (Modulo caveats about needing to itemize and such; let's say I can take full advantage of the charitable deduction.)
But thanks to a loophole, there's actually something better-for-me that I can do. Instead of giving $5000 cash to MSF, I give my $5000 of GOOG stock to MSF (who presumably proceeds to sell it and again, has $5000; in particular they won't owe capital gains tax). I then use the $5K in cash that I would have given MSF to buy another $5K in GOOG. I get to deduct the fair market value of the donation -- so the full $5000.
At first glance, it looks like I haven't really done anything. I have $5000 less cash because I used that to purchase the stock. I still get my $5000 deduction. I still have $5000 in GOOG shares. But look at my cost basis -- now I paid $5000 for those shares instead of $2500. This means that if I sell that stock in a couple years' time, my basis is higher and I'll pay less in capital gains tax.
This is a loophole that hypothetically anyone can do, but it really only applies at higher incomes:
(And FWIW, while I'd want to see some evidence as to what kind of effect this would have if I were in a position where I was able to possibly affect policy, what I'd like to see in this case is the charitable deduction to be reduced by the capital gains tax that would be owed if the asset were sold, which I'm about 99% sure doesn't currently happen.)
CaptainObivous ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:49:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Because only, like, the top 1% have medical or dental expenses, pay interest on house loans, make a charitable contribution, buy things they need to do their job, or lose property due to a disaster or theft all of which are a 'loophole' because they are deductible.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't loopholes if they're legal. Martha Stewart was put in prison for loopholes, Trump hasn't.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:37:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CipherClump ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:46:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was put in prison for tax evasion and insider trading. I guess she thought she could get away with the insider trading if she never reported it on her taxes. But if the irs can bring down Capone, they can bring down Martha Stewart.
Juliet-November ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:45:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what "loopholes" means - being legal makes it tax avoidance rather than tax evasion. Martha Stewart was convicted of insider trading, which isn't about tax, but using knowledge not available to the public to make money from share price changes.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what it means. Not only did he follow the law on what was needed for taxes, he probably hired several dozen very good accountants that also followed the law to pay taxes as needed. It's silly to call out shenanigans when he did nothing wrong.
evaned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly not what it means... a loophole is a loophole precisely because it's legal. If it's illegal, it ceases to be a loophole, it's just a crime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Juliet-November ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The charge wasn't insider trading, but that's what the conspiracy was about - nothing to do with tax "loopholes" as the previous commenter claimed.
84Dublicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Loopholes are specifically NOT illegal... Otherwise, you're just breaking the law.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Either way, it isn't a loophole when the laws are designed to be used that way. It isn't some ambiguity or inadequacy. It is by design.
84Dublicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tax loopholes in general? Or reporting a near billion dollar loss, using it avoid paying federal income tax, running for President on your business acumin [sic] and representation of the "everyman" and then hiding the whole thing behind an audit which has absolutely no bearing on disclosure?
I thought the conversation had moved on to "what's a tax loophole?" 'cause someone very clearly didn't understand, but I guess we're still on Trump?
papker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't "why". That is "how".
formgry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He most likely did, when I was taught tax bracket they immediatly followed it up by saying that the higher tax bracket doesn't get applied to your whole salary.
c3534l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it just not operating loss carryforward? Not exactly a loophole.
jelena2080 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:02:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. It would take a college accounting class to explain the complexity of that.
Drachefly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:19:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No? He had a huge amount of operating loss for a while, and he was allowed carry it forward until he had made money, on the net, again.
That part's fair. The disgrace is his losing that much money in the first place.
evaned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Eh, that's somewhat debatable. I think capital loss carryforward is a good thing in general, but I'm not convinced you should be able to carry forward indefinitely. My general reaction is that maybe a limit of 3 years or 5 years would be good, though I'd want to see some evidence if I were actually in Congress or something.
Companies should be able to go through a rough patch and not be "penalized" for it, but I'm also not convinced we should be, at some level, subsidizing incompetently-run ones.
Edit: It's also worth pointing out that if you buy something expensive that has a long expected life, what you don't do (typically? I'm only somewhat passively familiar with these rules) is deduct the entire cost in the year you buy it and then use capital loss carryforward to spread the cost out over years. Instead, you depreciate the cost of the asset over its expected life, taking a smaller deduction every year. These are vaguely similar in the sense that they can spread the cost of a purchase across years, but there are some important differences. And the depreciation schedule wouldn't be affected by my "proposal."
Drachefly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't indefinite - up to 3 years retroactively and up to 15 years prospectively. That could well be too long, but the basic notion is sound.
whiteguycash ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:45:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he would have taken his starting capital, he would have been better off just getting into an S&P500 index fund.
ProfTrippinBalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not really. I dunno if its different in the US but in the UK the biggest loophole is pretty easy to understand.
An individual paid a wage of ยฃ100k will be taxed 40%. If that same individual owned a limited company and paid themselves the minimum wage (0% tax) + dividends (untaxed) to make up the difference. They would only pay 20% tax (as corporation tax).
So by having their own company they can halve their tax bill.
It doesn't really pay for itself until you're making enough to cover things like accountancy fees but ยฃ100k via your own company is a LOT better than employment.
Employment:
ยฃ100k gross = ยฃ60k net (in your pocket)
Self Employed Limited Company:
ยฃ100k gross = ยฃ80k net - ยฃ2k accountant fees = ยฃ78k in your pocket
ยฃ18k difference per year
Thats the absolute basic. Without using any company tax loopholes. You can cut your corporation tax down to almost 0% with other methods.
user1492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. corporate tax rate is 35% and the top bracket is 39%. The dividends from the company would be taxed at least 10%, and 15% for someone like Trump.
evaned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're off a bit. The effective capital gains rates in the US are 0%, 15%, 18.8% (15% plus the 3.8% net investment income tax), 20%, and 23.8% (20%+3.8%).
(Actually I'm not sure the 20% bracket is a thing; I don't see how you can be subject to that and not the NII tax; so probably drop that from the list.)
(Also, you can have unqualified dividends that would be taxed at income rates, up to 39.6%.)
Maulfa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Individuals typically pay tax on dividends in the UK
ProfTrippinBalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sssshh.
user1492 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would that comment give you pause? Do you not understand the difference between wealth and income?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gave me pause because I was surprised this student had picked up on that being in the news, and actually made a connection to what we were doing in class.
CBruce ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:45:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you explained that it's because people are taxed on income, not wealth. And there are a lot of deductions and exemptions in the tax code to encourage investments and businesses rather than just socking money away in a savings account where it doesn't benefit the economy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Close. It's so they don't just spend it on consumption. If they put it in a savings account, that doesn't hurt the economy in any way.
CBruce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If by consumption you mean buying shit, then that's money being put back into the economy, buying goods and services, helping create jobs. On top of state/local usesge taxes.
Otherwise, I'm not sure what you mean by consumption.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Consumption doesn't create jobs. Putting money into the economy doesn't create jobs. If you take money out of the economy, the only thing that happens is that prices go down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
During the course of this election I have had to explain what a progressive tax system is to an embarrassing amount of adults. The youtubers The Vlog Brothers recently made a video explaining it (as well as the two candidates plans) so now I just send people that.
Thanks u/thesoundandthefury! DFTBA!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PLEASE show them an actual tax form and explain to them how they would fill it out.
MissChievousJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Impressive! Can you teach me? I'm 25, so I'll buy you a bottle of wine as a grateful thanks lol.
Ariel125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can we also talk about how many JOBS and how much risk Donald Trump takes on by owning businesses, something that directly helps the economy? It's okay he didn't pay anything in my book.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you answer them?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was before "because I'm smart" and it was before the NYT article about his 900+million dollar loss. So, I just said "well we don't know what he does or doesn't pay yet." And briefly explained what a tax return was.
InsaneTomato95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he's smart, that's why! /s
ergzay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except he does? So why did that give you pause?
JackHarrison1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for the US, but here's how it works in the UK:
1) Be very rich.
2) Decide you don't want to pay tax.
3) ???????
4) Pay no tax.
Most countries have a similar system.
peardude89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"That makes me smart." - Trump on not paying taxes.
Kinbaku_enthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you explain it's because of tax deduction laws created by clinton?
TotallyNotanOfficer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cause, loopholes.
moloizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your student paid attention, he'd have heard you say we're taxed on what we make, not what we have.
Unkn0wn_Ace ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
See, even a 12 year old is more educated than Trump supporters who don't believe anything bad about him
Edit Sooooo, why am I getting downvoted? I was implying that Trump supporters are stupid, and Trump doesn't pay taxes. Why the hate? I was not talking about the specifics of tax law, which most people don't understand anyway.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While proving that you don't know much about tax laws.
Unkn0wn_Ace ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I was saying.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:12:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are showing that you are uneducated on the topic, and when you act condescending it makes you look even worse.
Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:28:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I was not talking about tax laws.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:30:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are saying that Trump not paying taxes is a bad thing, when really it's not. He is complying with the laws and is using them to his advantage.
Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:51:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well here comes the moral police. Who is to define what's right?
xxFiaSc0 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:28:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
face palm
You don't really think that income taxes are the only taxes people pay do you?
Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I was saying lol. You don't need to be a prick
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:21:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need to learn to not be an asshole
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He has basically admitted that he doesn't pay taxes, and people that disagree are either ignorant or love that racist prick so much they don't care. He legally exploited a law that allows him to not pay that specific tax. Obviously you support Trump so anything I say to you doesn't matter, because you won't accept it as truth.
Edit Also he is a racist, a sexist, an Islamophobic, etc, etc, ETC.
He is a bad person. Just because he legally exploited the laws does not make it right.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually do understand the example. Also, I dislike Clinton. You are obviously the type of person that like to put other people down while not admitting to your own faults. Don't speak to me again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is pretty obvious evidence he is racist, just watch anything he says. I am not one of those people I just don't feel like typing anymore. I have more important things to do than argue with ignorant people
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously you want to drag this out I just don't care anymore so plz shut it
xxFiaSc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point of my comment was that he does pay taxes genius. Property taxes, sales taxes, corporate taxes, payroll taxes, etc. Just not specifically on his income because of a common deduction that many people use. The NYTimes that published the story used the very same deduction. The hate is because you're calling Trump supporters stupid yet you don't know these basic issues. You'd be at home in r/politics though lol.
Unkn0wn_Ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am actually a very informed person, however I am human and with all the issues of today I cannot keep track of everything. I will look up the article. But if you disagree with someone, don't put them down and act like you are better. Explain why they are wrong. Also, you said in your original comment that he pays other taxes. How would I know you were saying that he does pay them? Genius.
xxFiaSc0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:54 on October 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh projection at it's finest. If you disagree with Trump supporters, you shouldn't put them down and act like your better. Explain why they are wrong. See what I did there?
Because I said that he pays them lol. Not sure what you are asking.
cloudy_limonade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you tell them that it's because he's smart?
tesseract4 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Because he's a criminal. Moving on..."
torik0 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like a /r/forwardsfromgrandma. Pretty sure you made this up just to shout out "muh no taxes".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Believe it or not it really did happen. I try very hard to not put my political agenda in the classroom, so, I made no subjective comment about it, but a student did really ask.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude if you are this concerned about your incoherent ramblings being heard that you'll post it 3 times and counting, just tweet it at 3am instead.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JodyFuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sees more like you're triggered, princess.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:40:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JodyFuxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:32 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol,k
Futureman24 ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 16:56:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A student of mine asked with all seriousness if Trump would implement a purge (yes, like the movie) when he gets elected.
TurrPhennirPhan ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:53:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I think that's a question that you should've taken more seriously.
Synergythepariah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, it won't be like the movie.
It'll just be his political opponents getting purged out of office.
Definitely not as bad.
CaptainFilmy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:29:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then the Muslims, then the socialists, then any dissenting opinion.
Reignbow97 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:26:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until we know what's going on, of course
lydsbane ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:25:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son keeps asking if I'll rent The Purge: Election Year for him to watch. I told him we don't need to rent it, we're living it right now.
amsterdam_pro ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:52:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully yes, as long as it is contained to Washington, DC.
averhan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:34:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No thank you, Washington DC is real people too. We'd rather not have bloodshed on the National Mall.
clandevort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:57:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well futureman? does he?
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose he might.
SthrnCrss ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but you can only kill hispanic people or muslisms. You are also allowed to get your little hands in your daughter.
_SeeD_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
duckdelicious ยท 3844 points ยท Posted at 15:01:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the teachers in the high school where I teach is telling her students that Hillary will ruin our nation and Trump is going to save us.
rahyveshachr ยท 1755 points ยท Posted at 16:05:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in 5th grade (1999-2000) it was right when Bush was running for office and our teacher, a creepy weird BMX lady, told us to tell our parents not to vote Bush because he wanted to save and preserve Idaho's forests and she wouldn't be able to tear through the trails on her ATV and motorcycle. She said this multiple times throughout the year.
When I repeated this to my mom she was like "uh... she shouldn't be telling you that... she can get fired for that." Now that I'm older I can see what a big red flag that was.
skiddie2 ยท 1107 points ยท Posted at 16:31:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What's the logic there? She thought Gore was more likely to bring about clear-cutting and the destruction of the national park system?
[deleted] ยท 912 points ยท Posted at 17:15:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck trees."
-Al Gore
ToroZuzuX ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:31:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you have been banned from r/trees.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:23:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Does that ban extend to the NSFW r/treesgonewild?
Uhh.... The top post is a girl with a joint in her vagina. Please tell me I'm banned. I'm banned right? Please?
ToroZuzuX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:30:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was half expecting actual tree sex, but I was disappointed by the substantial stoner ass on this sub. I shall strive to stop being disappointed by the ass.
Booty_Is_Life_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you were joking about that subreddit till I followed the link. I regret going into there
T26OG ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:22:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the hunt for manbearpig, no sacrifice is too great.
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm cereal.
supergenius1337 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:26:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hail Hydra"
-Captain America
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If you want the Internet, you have to cut down some trees." - Al Gore
RichyNixon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck Sexy Trees" -Al Gore
Helzo_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That made me laugh way too hard!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There's a pinecone in my sphincter." -Katy Perry
Volundarkvioa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:15:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There's a pineapple in mein" - Adolf Hitler
Source: Little Nicky
GodOfAllAtheists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll pull it out with my teeth.
antiHerbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this slide is not a graph, it's a picture of me flipping off some tress. Fuck those tress.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like him
[deleted] ยท 530 points ยท Posted at 16:48:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously I'm pretty sure gore would have whole heartedly agreed about preserving forests and tossed in some fun anti atv pollution regulations to boot.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Nader too!
jsmoo68 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a gas tax, for ALL the fossil fuel toys.
GlassDelivery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Silly regulations. Who cares if ATVs are more polluting than semi trucks.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:48:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more of the scale of the problem. Semi's doing millions of miles a day combined are going to cause much more damage and have much more room and weight carrying capacity to support environmentally conscience equipment. Atv's generally are something you enjoy after work or on the weekends and there are much fewer operating a much smaller fraction of time per day. Semi trucks have to run to support the economy so they will be bought regardless of strangling regulations. People won't buy atv's if all the fun is sucked out through over regulation
GlassDelivery ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree about the scale. But you'd be surprised just how much pollution comes out of a small Diesel engine. Carbon aside, it's more polluting than a semi per hour used according to my environmental engineering brother.
giantspacegecko ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:57:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She might have thought Gore was going to ban off-roading in national parks or she though a man with a plant name was obviously the better conservationist.
MeadKingofRuddyHall1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A Convenient Route
rahyveshachr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have no clue. She was a really weird teacher and besides this weird tirade she'd go on I also got a really unsettling vibe from her, especially now when I look back on her. She also taught us some things wrong and stole/lost some of my stuff (confiscated for playing with and then denying she had it later). She also had some sort of tourette's/facial tics that really freaked me out because it was so distracting for me who notices that kind of stuff.
Anyway yeah, I got on a tangent but logic didn't appear to be strong with her.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like there might actually have been something to it:
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2013/apr/15/possible-national-monument-designations-idaho-resurface/
When he was secretary of the Interior under then-President George W. Bush, former Idaho Gov. Dirk Kempthorne worked on plans to declare two new national monuments in Idaho - the Boulder-White Clouds Mountains in central Idaho and Mesa Falls in eastern Idaho, reports the Idaho Statesman's Rocky Barker, and looked at others as well. Now there's new interest possible monument designations in Idaho, Barker reports, though Congressman Mike Simpson, who long has worked on wilderness legislation for the Boulder-White Clouds, prefers his bill to a presidential designation. Click below for a full report from Barker and the AP.
This would have been coming on the heels of the Grand Staircase-Escalante controversy too.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:54:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Juandules ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's some super cereal business.
EDIT: Comment was about Manbearpig. Not sure why he deleted.
IDontHaveLettuce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preserving the national parks means less access for ATVs and motorized bikes on off-road trails. No BMX fun! Stupid national monuments, sacred Native American sites, and wildlife preservation efforts! /s
GloriousPancake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure this was in reference to the primary race, not the general.
zakrak4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess would be that she assumed he would ban motor vehicles like ATVs from the parks since he was generally classified as a super environmentalist.
BlueCoasters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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escalinci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to all the brush he cleared during his presidency.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:50:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BMX = bicycles. I believe you mean "MX".
Oh and fuck the ATV's and dirt bikes that fuck up the forest, especially on the "non-motorized" trails.
rahyveshachr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I never knew that haha. Yeah she was a motorcycle racer and everything.
And yes my parents love to camp at this place in the Idaho mountains where there is a hot spring pool and some trails (it's called Silver Creek Plunge). Lately the motorbikes are going from dawn till dusk, annoying my quiet-loving parents.
This teacher was all about keeping those open. One of her arguments was that her grandpa or whoever had a hip replacement and so he couldn't ride a horse or a motorcycle, only an ATV.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fine with responsible ATV riders, but there are so many a-holes out there. And if that were true, I'm sure he could get some kind of mobility exception for his disability.
WtotheSLAM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They recently removed a large part of the boulder white cloud area for bike usage. Makes doing the castle peak climb a bit tougher. And if you get injured it's a lot easier to get someone out on a bike than having to carry them out
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I am pretty sure the rules do not apply to emergency vehicles.
WtotheSLAM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't but when you're in too deep for cell range and don't have an emergency beacon handy you gotta hope someone out there is going to come along and help you out.
Happened to some people last year. Dude broke his leg in three places and they met some bikers who helped them out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well don't ride like an idiot.
WtotheSLAM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was actually 100 feet from the summit of Castle Peak
Xertz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what do you mean "especially on non motorized trails" so also fuck legal motorized trail users?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, fuck the assholes who wreak havoc off-trails. Sorry for the bad wording.
Our province had to pass a law banning motorized vehicles above the alpine line it is/was so bad.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 16:28:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bush wanted to save and protect forests? Are we thinking of the same Bush?!
theg33k ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:12:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bush did a lot for our national parks. This is one of those ideas people get in their heads due to their personal biases that just doesn't match up with reality. Another example is funding science. Republicans generally fund science to a greater level because they know that's the backbone of the economy. But people think they don't because of things like not specifically funding fetal stem cell research.
SideTraKd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:11:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you ask people in general who was the first president to ban stem cell research and who was the first to fund it, they are very likely to say that Bush banned it, and Obama funded it first, neither of which are true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot for our national parks, but significant environmental damage in other areas. One right doesn't rectify a thousand wrongs.
theg33k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/infocus/environment/
Actually he did quite a bit of positive work on the environment. The worst thing Bush did was not sign the Kyoto Protocol, which would've required massive reductions in our CO2 emissions right as we were about to enter what was to become the 2nd worst recession in our nation's history. I get long term success vs short term gains arguments, but in a world where the economy is collapsing all around you it's simply not politically feasible to do things like curb oil drilling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, I wasn't aware of this! True, I agree that it may not have been politically his best move, but I think a lot of politicians underestimate the amount of economic benefit that could come from alternative energy infrastructure
capnpitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Bush knew in 2000, when he first opposed Kyoto, about the economic collapse in 2008, he should have done a hell of a lot more than reject the treaty.
theg33k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2000-ish is when the tech bubble was bursting. Then after 9/11 we floated along for a little while because of war spending and incredibly low interest rates, the latter of which was at least in part why the housing bubble got so big before it burst.
thithiths ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember Bush's policies on it or campaign promises, but he might have wanted to sell ID's public land or close it off to certain uses. A huge percent of ID is public land.
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what she was implying. I was too young to know the difference lol
Mkayin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know its crazy but a lot of conservatives believe in conservation. Teddy Roosevelt was a great conservative.
PWR_BTTM ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is not even remotely true. All you have to look at is the Sierra Club's congressional ratings to see the disparity between Republicans and Democrats. Conservatives are far more likely to support non-renewable energy like petroleum and coal and far less likely to support conservation efforts for public lands.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
B-but they want to conserve those jobs...
VolvoKoloradikal ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because national forests were designed to be used for their resources, but in a manageable way.
There is a lot of oil and gas underneath federal lands. Not extracting it is a waste of free money.
At the same time, oil and gas extraction doesn't really effect the forest.
There is a big difference between national forests and the national park system.
PWR_BTTM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And many conservative politicians promote non-manageable harvesting, such as mountain top removal and fracking.
Sure, if it can be done responsibly. If not, that "free money" comes at the cost of sustainable forest management. There is also a concerted effort by many conservatives in Western states to remove any federal protection from these lands, putting public lands in to private hands specifically because they don't want the protections that come with federal management.
Fracking can wreak terrible havoc on the environment, as can gas pipelines, and that is not to mention coal, strip/open-pit mining. Then of course there is climate change which is perpetuated by oil, gas and coal production, which causes direct harm to these forests.
True, although plenty of conservatives would rather neither designation exist.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree with that. Especially since the EPA and USGS have reiterated they've given fracing the green light.
I happen to have worked in federal lands oil and gas extraction for 2 internships (Western Colorado & Eastern Utah) and have lived in a heavily fraced area of the country (Denver, Colorado).
Guess what, there was no harm in any of those regions from fracing. In fact, the native tribes who partly own the land: the Ute and Ouray tribes are the wealthiest Native American groups in the US.
I may be overreaching by saying there was no harm: truck traffic, increased population, and development of housing onto habitat were the largest costs of this activity.
Costs...which were well worth the benefit to Americans and the local population.
People have this disconnected myth of what fracing is and what it actually does. You've been fed mostly half truths and outright lies by "concerned interests" into this fairly mundane process.
It has issues in Oklahoma, but those aren't federal lands.
In fact, it takes 7 months for a well to be permitted in federal lands: the BLM and EPA do a pretty exhaustive environmental impact study.
And can you tell me what havoc gas pipelines do to the environment?
PWR_BTTM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And both of these organizations have been known to give the pass to processes that, although possible to due without catastrophic damage, often cause damage due to bad practice. Either way, there have been numerous cases of fracking causing serious groundwater pollution as well as there generally not being enough environmental testing and oversight of these operations.
Just because it has happened in Pennsylvania and not Colorado does not mean that it'll never happen.
This is irrelevant -- economic gain often goes hand-in-hand with environmental degradation.
Considering the infrastructure it takes to haul countless millions of gallons of water to remote locations, that is no small cost.
If you are most concerned with access to immediately exploitable forms of energy that reinforce control of gas and power companies that fight heavily against regulations and renewable, alternative forms of energy, then yes.
I'm not going to say there haven't been mistruths, but that does not excuse the very legitimate and realized concerns regarding fracking.
Do I need to list how many "EPA approved and certified" projects have resulted in massive environmental catastrophes? I can name some real doozies from just the past couple years.
Besides perpetuating climate change? Check this out beginning on page 6.
And of course, this is just getting into the nitty gritty. Fracking is small potatoes compared to a lot of practices many conservatives (and an unfortunate number of Democrats) promote.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your first point.
A handful of cases of indirect contamination do not make a process that has been done millions of times equated to "wrecking havoc".
Your second point.
Colorado is a state used to O&G development, strict regulations have made it so fracing has caused little additional harm other than normal industrial activity.
Your 3rd point.
We don't haul water in Colorado Wattenberg/DJ or the field I worked at in Utah. Water is gathered at a central facility and piped to each well pad which needs water. This water is was a combination of stream water and brine from subsurface.
Your 4th point.
Well, either you pick coal or natural gas. Humans need energy and we need it now.
It's not up to you to decide who invests in pipelines or not. This isn't a command economy.
I find this position hilarious. You want to stop natural gas pipelines, which has very minimal economic damage, yet you want access to cheap cleaner energy (compared to coal).
RollaSk8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure Teddy was more conservationist than conservative. Especially when he ran as a third party candidate.
BenignMaybe10 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:43:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Progressive Teddy Roosevelt?
birbforhire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they were great conservatives you would think you could name one thats held office in the past 100 years lol
ExplainsSocialEnigma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That happens everywhere. When I was in elementary school all the teachers were indoctrinating the kids against [Provincial Party in Power] because they were threatening to take a hard line against teachers.
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it does but at least some teachers are more subtle or tell their opinion but don't present it like a swaying argument. I can see why something that could affect teachers would be on their mind though.
final_cut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was into BMX AND ATVs? Where I was from these groups didn't get along. (But that was the 80s)
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah she did
BMX racing and everything! She also looooved camping and riding in the mountains. iirc she also rode horses. Like I'm surprised she lived in Boise with how rugged she was.Edit: TIL that BMX is bikes, not motorbikes. She very much raced motorcycles.
final_cut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah! That makes more sense. I've had unique teachers like that. Sorry to distract from the topic! Was she like grandma from napoleon dynamite?
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really haha. I don't know who to base her off of.
InfiniteBlink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your parents should have listened in hindsight
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol that is fucking weird
ABCeeJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similar issue happened to my teacher in high school. We'll one of the other parents were a little less forgiving then ours were. Idk what ever happened to that incident but that teacher hopefully doesn't give out political advice to children anymore
SUCKSTOBEYOUNURD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This lady was clearly nuts if she rides moto but also rides quads
doom32x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I had a social studies teacher in our American History year in 2002-3, he also happened to be the assistant football coach/ defensive coordinator. He would always praise Bush and the push to Iraq. He also was a horrible at teaching American History, my favorite subject since I was a little kid and what ended up getting my BFA in. I would get him beet red with a vein popping out of his forehead,. He would then insist he was right because he was an adult. I never accepted that premise. Drove his ass crazy.
ownage99988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty ridiculous
ZabaZuu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously I wasn't there, but that definitely sounds like something someone would say jokingly. Maybe she had a super serious tone every time she said it, idk. Pretty pathetic reasoning and incredibly selfish if she meant it.
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha no she was dead serious. Like she stopped the lesson to go on this 10 minute thing multiple times. She definitely implied that Bush was a bad bad man.
taoistchainsaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And here we have Idaho, Winning her way to fame
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for getting that stuck in my head lol
taoistchainsaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still have thirty something friends that remember all of the ASL lyrics from fourth grade.
goonerz666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you by chance from Idaho?
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
goonerz666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What part if I may ask?
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be pretty clear by some of my other posts but Treasure Valley
McWaddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, I sat next to a red-blooded 'Murrica woman in a community college Science class. Our instructor was something of a ski-bum hippie, but a trained scientist.
We were doing environmental-themed projects, and her presentation was about how pissed she was that some endangered flower was threatening her family's favorite area for riding their quads. They weren't going to be able to go riding anymore in their favorite spot because of some fucking stupid plant.
He just sat there during the presentation, mouth slightly agape. It was more fun watching him react than it was to watch her.
Gotta admit though, she was finer than frog hair.
maximusprime097 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BMX? I don't understand...
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She raced motorcycles.
remedialrob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in the land before internet I was 10 and the election for president was between Carter, Reagan, and Anderson my elementary school class had a "kid" election. I never understood the point and years later I still don't. They didn't teach us anything about the candidates so we were literally parroting what our parents and TV (remember only like 5 channels at most back then and we probably listened to our favorite radio stations more than anything else).
I got selected to be one of the two 'Vote Counters" and the entire thing was done anonymously with us kids writing our vote on a piece of paper, folding it in half, and then dropping it into a basket or trash can for counting.
After we counted the votes Reagan won by about the same margin that he ended up winning the presidency by. And there was one, single vote for Anderson.
I was always curious and liked to learn so as a ten year old I can honestly say that I don't think I was asking this to single out the weird person and mock them. For me a single vote in a room of 26 kids or so was an aberration and I wanted to identify it and learn from it. I think. It's been awhile. But I was never the kid who made fun of people so I think that's right.
Anyway the teacher blathered on about some stuff that I don't remember and then let us ask some questions. When that died out she asked one last time "does anyone have any more questions?" and I raised my hand and she called on me (I was still cleaning up the votes as one of the two official counters so I was ostensibly standing before the class) and I blurted out "Who voted for Anderson?"
Now the teacher to her credit headed that off at the pass right away. And I was embarrassed to be sort of dressed down in asking an inappropriate question (I did not understand the value of the anonymity of a vote at the time... ten). I have never forgotten that embarrassment. It wasn't the first time I was humiliated in front of people but I loathed the feeling and have spent much of my life trying to mitigate and avoid it. You would think it would make me avoid public speaking but on the contrary I'm quite good at it and quite comfortable with it. When I'm speaking I have control so that works fine for me.
But I have always wished that the kid who voted for Anderson had sidled up to me at recess or something and made contact just to talk about his/her decision. I imagine the kid was probably mortified when I asked him/her to identify themselves... or maybe he/she was precocious with a parent that educated him/her on 3rd party issues and why Anderson was a better candidate than those offered by the two major parties. I don't know. But all these years later I still wish that I had had that conversation with whomever that kid was.
OddTheViking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 2008 the teachers at my kid's elementary school told the kids that if they voted for Obama in the school's mock election they would go to hell.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's what my mom said when I told her, and she wasn't even voting Bush.
TheDiamondRing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, good ol' Idaho
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol my teacher from Britain told us that the moon landing and 9/11 was fake. One of my friends aunt saw one of the planes crash and started questioning her asking if his aunt was a liar (in a serious way, to show that he knew my teacher was full of shit).
intentsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just recently some billionaires bought huge swaths of Idaho and closed their land to ATV and snowmobile users, who have been recreationally using the land for years
FOUNDmanymarbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember shanti. "Bush is a shrub" at one of my friends and my friend chanting "gore is an Apple core back"
Man elections are way more fun in 5th grade...
nermid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you had the raddest teacher alive.
CrackFerretus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No she can't
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not fired but she could've definitely gotten chewed out by a parent or two.
ScifiGirl1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother was in 6th grade that year and a week before the election he told my mom that she needed to vote for Bush. When she asked him why, he told her that his teacher said he had to tell her that. My mom was astounded that a teacher would try to use her influence over children to get their parents to vote for her candidate. Mom went to the principal, but since the school was private there was nothing that could be done.
This teacher's daughter was my age and when 2004 came around she didn't want to vote because she didn't know enough about the issues to make an informed choice. Her mother forced her to vote and stood in the booth with her to make sure she voted for Bush.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teachers can't be fired for making their political agenda known
NuclearElevator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:49:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it was really a red flag she'd be saying how we should overthrow the bourgeoisie.
aly5321 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My story's not as weird, but when I was in 5th grade (7 years ago), my teacher lectured us on why the war in the middle east was just America trying to help them, and the way she explained it heavily implied that the middle east was stupid for resisting our "help". At the time, the whole class believed her, and she probably got us to see the US in an even better light than we did at the time, but now that I'm older, I'm like... dude...
rahyveshachr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah like just recently I'm beginning to realize all that about America trying to help them etc isn't true, or at least not so black and white.
[deleted] ยท 2235 points ยท Posted at 15:07:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
What the heck she shouldn't be doing that.
Edit: stop assuming I would have been ok with it if it were the other way around.
tack50 ยท 1061 points ยท Posted at 15:58:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah. Teachers are supposed to remain neutral. I mean, sure, they are allowed to have political leanings, but they shouldn't make them public.
At our school you could get an idea of who was a leftist and who was conservative (for example, the history teacher was thought to be pretty conservative), but they were never biased on their classes.
Hell, one of our philosophy teachers was actually a candidate to MP on our state assembly and was elected! (he actually has a cabinet position as his party won the election) The replacement teacher was also a candidate but lost (he knew he wasn't going to be elected though). They never did propaganda though.
SwanBridge ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:38:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my teachers was a rep for the teachers union and a pretty solid socialist, but being in her classes you'd never have been able to tell.
Whereas another one voted for the BNP, a far-right party here in the UK, yet I only ever found out once I had left school.
tack50 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:43:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I actually had another teacher who was exactly like that XD He only taught us for one year though, as he was very old and retired.
Only way you could notice is because he went to every single strike organized, whereas most teachers didn't bother (I went to a private school which treated teachers pretty well, so most didn't really mind). Iirc he was actually a coummunist in his youth (and still probably was when he taught me)
No voters of far-right parties though.
Commandbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to believe you had no Republican teachers.
tack50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm not American, so there are no Republicans over here XD
I did have conservative teachers though, but they showed their biases even less than the leftist ones, so they were slightly harder to spot.
Zinnsoldat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
XDDD
evilboberino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, we had the provincial/federal green party candidate as a teacher in my school. He was so far past bias he led a parade of students to a speaking engagement in town to protest the fact he was allowed to speak. Oh, and the speaker was a national columnist for major paper, so not a Klan leader or hatespeecher.
SpecOpBeevee ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:31:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All my teachers since middle school made their political opinions evident, the only ones that didn't were ones who just didn't care about politics.
madeAnAccount41Thing ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:25:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it help in some instances for a teacher to say "I personally believe this, but the facts (and the stuff I need to teach you) is..."?
RockLoi ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about help, but sometimes it can be acceptable to share your opinions on some views to stimulate conversation if you carry it well, and you need to be careful about how you go about it.
This is only if you're tasked with this kind of conversation as a form tutor (is it called home room in the US?) and not okay to enter into this kind of stuff as an academic teacher.
However, your school should have a policy on stuff like this and that takes precedent, and in general you should aim to remain neutral to let students share and discuss their own opinions.
ricecake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can see it being helpful in some circumstances if handled carefully, but I'm pretty uncomfortable with authority figures, that we have children listen to as all but arbiters of truth, share political, religious, or social opinions while in a trusted context.
madeAnAccount41Thing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was thinking teachers might tell the older students, who are aware that everyone and everything have bias.
oklos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a figure of authority, it would make it difficult to separate your position from the 'desired' position. At the very least, it would probably prejudice the initial view of the students (assuming that they didn't have strong existing views on the issue), making it harder for them to truly think for themselves.
Also, if you turn the question around: what value is there in a teacher announcing his/her position on the issue? How does it improve the learning of the student?
4UNN ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:48:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My AP world history teacher has worked Hillary's campaign, and is one of the delegates for our state this election. He is one of the only liberal teachers I have had that has made their views public, (I live in a red state), but he stayed pretty unbiased as a teacher.
ryanppax ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:33:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to my very religious civics/government teacher from hs. People like him teach because they get off by teaching his opinions as fact
TerraOrdinem ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:34:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My AP Government teacher last year didnt reveal her ideology or party until the last day of school. She let us guess(liberal Democrat) then asked us why we thought that. We had to justify it via class discussion based on her occupation, sex, age, region, and education. She confirmed that we were right, but no one was like, "Aww, fuck you, Ms. H! Trump doesn't need your vote anyhow!"
ryanppax ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:36:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea this guy almost weekly wanted to remind us how god should be involved with law making
Vekete ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:27:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ooof. I'm all for people practicing whatever religion they want as long as it affects no one, but religion should be the last thing on a politician's mind when making laws.
ChironiusShinpachi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I very much agree. Just because someone believes something doesn't mean everyone else does too. To insert someone's god into everyone's laws is forcing them to conform to those views. If you can't defend a proposed law without referring to religious text in a land of religious freedom, it has no business being law.
Vekete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially for such a large and varied country like the US. I mean don't get me wrong it shouldn't happen in ANY country, but it's a much bigger issue in America where there's such a large variety of different cultures and religions.
AccountWasFound ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:24:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My AP gov teacher actually told us the first day so we would be able to notice any bias she was presenting. She was actually pretty neutral...
Beegrene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teach like that but for AP calculus. Luckily there's not much politics in math.
Reignbow97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a very religious civics teacher who we had to call by his rank in the military, which was Major. Once he got into talking about how he was worried Muslims were going to take over the world and he showed us a video that had a map of Europe slowly being swarmed by Muslim immigration and I think it described it as a Trojan horse. It was around 2012-2013. That video really made an impact on me at the time.
Also had a 6th grade history teacher who would go on rants about how we were abandoning God and stuff. Other than those things, they were pretty cool
animosityiskey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our Econ teacher made neutrality a point and challenged us to figure out his political leanings.
Koquillon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:09:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my high school most of the teachers were pretty open about their political leanings- and every single one was somewhere between casual Labour voter and full-on socialist. I am from a very left-wing area.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being open about it is one thing, using your class as a platform to push those beliefs onto your students is another...
profkinera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to a really liberal college and man, the teachers there let you know it and they really pushed it hard. I'm not conservative so it honestly didn't bother me but I knew conservative kids that were scared to ever make their affiliation known because of the backlash.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say the vast majority of teachers don't remain neutral though. They certainly didn't when I was in school the thing is that most teachers are left-leaning and so are most young people so you tend not to notice it as much.
tack50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I guess you are right. I consider myself a centre-left guy, but I know my more conservative friends were slightly more aware of biases and stuff.
Heraclitus94 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:17:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My health teacher had us write letters to the school board demanding teacher salary increase telling them good things about teachers and how good the teacher's union is.
dynaboyj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite teacher in regards to this is my German teacher, who practically makes fun of the off-topic political debates our class has had over feminism, race, or Donald Trump. She loves to note that one kid will often say one controversial thing, an argument will boil, and that kid will then just watch and enjoy.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That kid's just doesn't want to do class work. He absolutely knows what he's doing. We did this in my Japanese class, but instead of politics we told the teacher it was someone's birthday every day so we could sing and color and eat candy.
alisadumb ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:46:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that after the election here in Canada one of my teachers called Trudeau trash and ranted about how the country was going to crash and burn. Everyone in class just stared at him in confusion until he changed the subject.
evilboberino ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:33:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in Ontario we have the worst economy we've seen since his daddy, Alberta is ruins, the debt is escalating faster than ever before, our dollar is 70 cents, and absolutely no economist is claiming we are getting better, so please, how was he wrong? I mean sure, we've got a surplus of pm selfies now. And he did pay for 100+ people to fly out to Paris to save the earth, so... yah, how we doing on that? A carbon tax, which is unsupported and all studies say is by far the worst version of carbon punishment for effect? Wicked. Forget Canada being whatever less than 5% of ALL emissions on the planet, we need to ruin it all to bring that to... umm.. 4.999%?
blisstake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my high school, if you took "personal finance/buisness finance" you were in the "[teacher] how he hates the government" class, although not true, he just points out he's a liberal libertarian who said independent on polls just to free vote.
Kamaria ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had one of my history teachers show Fahrenheit 911...
tack50 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the only "political" movie we ever saw on class was "the wave" (I think that's it's name?) which basically alerted people of the dangers of fascism and stuff.
We also saw lots of movies about the GDR (East Germany) for German class, but I don't really consider those political.
idontlikesoccer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a government teacher who would play Ronald Reagan speeches on VHS and sit at his desk and weep. He also told us he gives Reagan speeches at weddings.
jetztf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's balanced out by my high school English teacher who takes every opportunity imaginable to slam trump, even when he's not relevant at all. I don't like trump but the constant digression to talk about politics bothers me in an English class.
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I hated English classes (and first/native language ones as well in case you are American/British/Canadian/etc).
Any digression in those classes would have been great in my opinion :)
Cinemaphreak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially if they are so stupid, indefensible and going to make yourself look like an idiot to your students.
Around 16 many people start thinking for themselves politically if not outright revolting knee-jerk against anything their parents say. I'm pretty confident 16 year old me would grasp just how unfit for office Trump is and would lose all respect for a teacher who didn't have the brains to realize it. Or dismisses it as not enough to disqualify him against even Clinton.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This! My senior year I had to take economics and government. My economics teacher was veeerry liberal and would make fun of republicans in class. My government teacher was the usual "you'll never know my political leanings" but ripped into Obamacare, legalized weed ("Weed has ruined those states' economies") and taxes. If he wasn't Republican, I would think he's Libertarian. I'm glad I graduated because his class would probably be hell during this election.
elijahblake ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So is the media. But now they are endorsing candidates. So much for unbiased reporting. I don't think they should be labeled as news anymore
lechuck333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teacher here. Teachers are supposed to be neutral, but 99% of the time they'll say what they think (and will often do it unprovoked). I have students ask me who I vote for and who I like, and I refuse to tell them anything.
Battle_Bear_819 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My US history teacher in 10th grade had republican stickers and signs all over his room, and since I was into politics early, I could tell he was very conservative. Everytime I tried to call him out on something he would just deflect. Once he was using a fox news segment that talked about something relating to manifest destiny, and I asked if he knew how biased Fox was as a source. He just said "None of the other ones are any better"
AccountWasFound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had so many teachers start conversations with "I'm really not supposed to talk about politics", but when the entire class called the disk sander Burny Sanders, or just Burny, the STEM teacher (kinda shop class, but more math and physics) kinda just gave up on us not talking politics.
MeannMugg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, when I was in school while the Bush/Gore election was getting heated, I remember my English teacher saying almost word for word "Unless you're rich, you're an idiot if you vote for a Republican".
But it was balanced, because we also had a disgruntled Vietnam vet as a Social Studies teacher who would put on Imus In The Morning during class and talk about how electing Al Gore would cause the collapse of our nation.
As an adult I think "Wow that's kinda crazy they said shit like that" but then I remember that I have friends now who are teachers, and have a lot of really strong, idiotic opinions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually seems incredibly cute to me for some reason XD
Zenblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you never went to college?
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I've just entered my first year of college XD (started in September).
However, I'm in an engineering course, so really there isn't much of a chance to discuss politics, nor can teachers be politically biased while teaching stuff like physics or math
Zenblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you never went to college?
iloveLoveLOVECats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 7th grade history teacher gave us an irrelevant lesson on why a flat tax is most fair. The tax system we have discourages working harder or working overtime. This was over 20 years ago and I still remember it.
Okhlahoma_Beat-Down ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try telling that to any college.
Even in the UK, my college tutors are very Liberal.
To the point where one of our film projects (based on warfare and containing a part in the script where someone is shot) was heavily delayed whilst my tutors argued about the morals of bringing even prop guns into college, or even showing those props on screen.
Eventually, they demanded we rescript it so that the person doesn't die.
Which, of course, made the whole project harder.
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They couldn't even allow you to use a water gun or those kiddie guns with an orange cap that barely make a noise??
Okhlahoma_Beat-Down ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even anything shaped like a gun.
Their excuse was 'there's people with special needs who might get scared if they saw them'.
It's not like they're on a 24/7 patrol around the college, for fuck's sake.
Pious_Mage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My history teacher after the election happened came out and said, as is obvious I am more on the right side but I did not want to say anything until after the election as to not influence the votes.
(Was in grade 12 where a few of us could vote).
Stefferdiddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That you used the word "leftist" reveals much about you as well.
SenseiMadara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mate do you live in Germany???
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope; I live in Spain :/
truth__bomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I respectfully have to disagree with this. I taught high school for a couple years including 2007-2008. I was of the mind that I, like anyone, was biased and my students were either A) smart enough to see that bias and wonder why I would try to pretend that I wasn't, which is a giant red flag for b.s., or B) not smart enough to know that I was biased and thus not ask the important question we should all ask of an information source: "Where is this coming from and why should I potentially take it with a grain of salt?" So I told them straight up "Here's who I'm supporting and keep that in mind when I'm teaching you, especially during discussion of current events. (I taught English, history and government, so understanding how messages were conveyed and by who was an important thread across all my classes.) I also gave them plenty of reasons other people supported the other candidate and regularly played devil's advocate when students would speak up in support or against a particular candidate. All that said, it was definitely a "here's what I'm doing" not "here's what you should be doing" thing, and I straight up told them not to take my support of a candidate as any more influential as their parents, friends or a random person on the street.
I guess I just think it's disingenuous to pretend, especially as a teacher who advocated being politically active, that I was neutral when I was definitely not. Give all the information and help them sort it out, rather than hold a bunch back to "protect" them.
e: added the subjects I taught
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, sure; if done well it shouldn't be a problem. The way you describe it actually reminds me a lot of my philosophy teachers, who were exactly like that XD
Caedro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People have been abusing authority to push personal agendas pretty much forever. Prolly gonna keep happening.
mrepik9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, the social studies teachers at my school are very liberal and open about it. I don't mind, but it's kinda funny how openly biased they are
guldawen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had liberal civics teacher that was quite biased. We would have to do reports about articles talking negatively about Bush. If you pointed out the articles inaccuracies (even with citation to other articles or documents) you were docked points because the article was a "reputable source".
When I complained about this to my classmates they said, "Yeah but he's better than [other civics teacher]. I heard she is a republican." The second sentence was said in hushed tones after looking around to make sure they weren't overheard.
Canopenerdude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True story, my one history teacher threatened to give us detention if we kept asking him who he was voting for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They sound like pretty good people
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My art teacher was the hippy dippy local MP running as an independent. They could never figure out why he'd get so many votes (he'd always have 1000) but I think it was just people that had him and thought it was funny.
GreeneMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our US History teacher made us do news reports every week, and forced us to use CNN because it was "unbiased" and "the most accurate news source." He would constantly push a radical leftist agenda when he could.
I'm just happy I wasn't in his class during this election cycle.
tack50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of reminds me of when in primary school we were taught not to use wikipedia because it was biased and the least accurate information source XD
Of course, no one cared, and we just used Wikipedia anyways, and teachers didn't notice.
Strong__Belwas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you should've listened to your teacher, dummy. now you're supporting a cartoon villain for president
GreeneMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better than supporting Hillary in my opinion.
Strong__Belwas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:37:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why? because you hate women and jews and everyone else?
GreeneMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wha.. what?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it that history teachers, people who study the track record of the nation, seem to always lean right...?
SoupOfTomato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to... All of my history teachers.
yungkef ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually can't help that I tell my students that Trump is the worst possible thing that could happen to the US, but to be fair they were all saying it first :)
ikorolou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's still not okay, let kids have their own opinions
yungkef ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, I do keep the politics out of it. I just can't help but agree when my kids say that Trump is a terrible person. We're supposed to be guiding the next generation towards good role models, right?
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if that's really a teachers responsibility. I'm not saying it isn't or it is, I just literally don't think I can make a call on that. I would lean towards you should just be a good role model, and let kids pick their own heroes
Forgot-My-Name_again ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try harder.
yungkef ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You too bud, not trying to change your views. I'm just answering a question.
Forgot-My-Name_again ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say my views disagree with yours. I am saying that it is entirely inappropriate for an educator to indoctrinate a student with their own opinions in a classroom. You sharing your opinion on a candidate is no more appropriate than someone else sharing their views on god. Your job is to teach critical thinking skills and to educate, to encourage discussion on important ideas but to carefully avoid influencing that discussion. Sure, have your views, everyone should, but don't share them during your lectures.
Aside: I agree with you on Trump. He is dangerous. I also teach. It's inappropriate to share that view in the classroom when you are the one in charge of it.
yungkef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, and I do need to improve that side of myself. I also want to provide my students with good role models and get them thinking about what qualities they want to see in a positive role model. Saying absolutely nothing about this stuff as though it doesn't exist is also being complicit with a lot of really bad stuff. Gotta keep the balance I guess?
Forgot-My-Name_again ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would try to use historical points for that. Talking about dead people who have become archetypes is a great tool for making students think about modern individuals on their own all without ever mentioning the modern individual you are talking about. I also would encourage students to talk themselves about current candidates and let them have the discussion, doing little more than moderating it for civility. Let them think it through.
throwaway4reasons555 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:32:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol but I bet you actually think Hillary would be any better.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:34:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She would. It is a low fucking bar but she most certainly is a better option.
throwaway4reasons555 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how when she is so obviously one of the most corrupt politicians our country has ever seen, also the fact that she is probably a sociopath. Trump says very stupid, and mean things, Hillary does bad things and is the bitch of the current corrupt powers that be.
yungkef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, HRC can't even own up to her contributions to the prison industrial complex. I don't give a fuck about her stupid emails, let's talk about the civilians in the middle east who are getting aimlessly massacred in the name of counter-terrorism.
The perception of Obama doing relatively little (even though not really, his face says it all) says more about the structure of our government than anything. Why do we have two people in their 70's running to represent a population who has a median age of 37?
LifeAfterBud ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:38:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the media isn't very neutral soo
oorr23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:05:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to see teachers getting involved. They actually give a damn.
Glorfindel42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hilarious how in the US your "left leaning" politicians are more liberal than actual left wing, yet you call it leftist etc. It's quite bizarre because Sanders for example is pretty much a casual Liberal when compared to EU politians. US politics on the media and labelling side is cancerous. Thanks for rubbing off on the world.
tack50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I am European actually XD (Spaniard to be precise)
But yeah, when you compare EU and US politics, US leftists (democrats) are centrists in Europe, and US right-wingers (republicans) are fringe far right lunatics (only one that could be mainstream in Europe is oddly enough a saner version of Trump; mostly because he resembles Le Pen a lot, who is popular in France, and similar politicians)
Glorfindel42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
Although the words used in the US politics is mainly what I refer xD - the whole leftist tag is so far from the truth in the US which is crazy for such high levels of education at certain points, that labels are thrown around without being correct a lot of the time.
_Search_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... what? Teachers are fully allowed to teach their point of view in the classroom. In fact, they should, ESPECIALLY during elections. Teaching is one of the few ways we can reveal the lies told by politicians!!
And seriously, with all the talk about how important it is to teach critical thinking, you're going to forbid teachers from sharing their own critical thinking? I understand that politics can be divisive, but really, only bad politics are divisive. Those who can discuss politics like adults come to points of agreement and understanding. Teachers need to teach THAT and not hide behind their desks.
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, why not allow students to uncover them themselves?
Sure, discussing politics is a very good way of developing critical thinking. Our Spanish (first language) and English teachers used to tell us to discuss current political events in class for example (though they rarely took part in the discussion themselves).
However, that was only on the later classes (years 11 and 12) and teachers rarely participated or at least tried not to show their biases.
It's not the same to do that than to try to tell primary school children how to vote.
_Search_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, why not allow students to uncover them themselves?"
aaaaand that's where I stopped reading your reply.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding the history teacher, that's pretty funny. How can you study history, and look at the candidates Republicans always put up, and go "Welp, this is a good idea."
tack50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, I'm not American, but Spanish actually. Our right is "sane" but corrupt, just like our left. Only difference between the 2 is that the left seems to have fewer but larger corruption cases while the right has more, but smaller corruption.
This has thankfully changed reciently though.
MrNameisme ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 15:20:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why your comment made me smile but it did. Something about the word "heck" I meant.
peace_off ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:14:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go to /r/sneks. They say Heck a lot there.
ebilgenius ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:54:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
heck off
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and /r/rarepuppers
thirdegree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rarepuppers is a heckin good subbie.
fizz514 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Between the two of these subs, I think I'm done with the internet today. Jesus...
servantoffire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And /r/woof_irl
MrNameisme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeeeeeeeesssss I love it
Advictus ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:31:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's become a meme at this point
Corntillas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody can tell you're a heckin' pupper over the Internet
MrNameisme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my secret is safe
ohheckyeah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same
MrNameisme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all in a name.
crockrocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mormon probably. What the heck is a common phrase in utah
MrNameisme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I should be mormon
vVvMaze ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 15:15:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah only the media is allowed to do that !
allfluffnostatic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:23:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol the media doesn't like trump silly
joshred ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's cause they got educations.
World_Class_Ass ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose they're smart for cashing in by pushing narratives and lining their wallets, only to the detriment of honest journalism.
RogueLeaderJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone call Sean Hannity
NeverLucky69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya! Teachers should totally be campaigning during class!
Uhnrealistic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are legally allowed to. Being a part of the government, (most) teachers cannot.
Pig743 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:23:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They both aren't
catnipassian ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 15:30:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media can do whatever, it's privately owned.
If it's a public school the teacher definitely can't do that.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media is allowed to give opinions, they shouldn't say it's fact though
Jorfogit ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has never stopped them before.
shadus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, they sued for right to outright make shit up... and won.
HotPandaLove ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Case name?
AmazingAndy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i believe the jessie ventura chris kyle case covers this. 32 media conglomorates forced a retrail because they didnt like being sued for making false statements
WubbaLubbaDubStep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you can choose what you want to watch.
DoktorSoviet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's way more common than you think. I mean, some of it can be forgiven. It is human nature to want to share such deep rooted ideologies, especially on the impressionable, and even if you consciously try to avoid it you no doubt end up teaching some of those ideologies unintentionally.
But trying to convince your students to support a certain ideology or candidate is not okay. You can share your opinion, for sure, but you can't tell students to do something like that. They are vulnerable and see you as an authority figure. Out of anyone in the world, you are one of the most likely to sway their opinions with your words. I think some teachers know this and deliberately use it too seed their ideology in future generations. The point is, if your ideas are good enough, they will stand on their own without a need to convince people.
Plus, I'm pretty sure my econ teacher is the only reason half of my school ended up Libertarian, and I am still bitter about it (the dude used SEAN HANNITY in his class, without irony)
i-d-even-k- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teachers do this shit in every country on this earth.
Source: Am European, had to listen to teachers praising the NeoCommunist Party
zet191 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, in college its practically required that professors share their opinions. In some courses I now know more about their political leanings than the actual course content.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ninchnate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the opposite experience. Most of my professors (in business, econ, finance, history, and philosophy) stated their goal was to keep us guessing on their political leanings.
lexgrub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my teachers said a troll in her closet tells her when the world will end. Sometime in the 2050s. Just so you guys know.
monalisas-madhats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment is adorable.
I was a senior in HS in 08, and my homeroom teacher was buying McCain/Palin stuff and then having students reimburse her for it.
This is west texas, so I should have been more surprised, but.
ALocalHobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a teacher right now who lectures to us about his "research" on how Obama is really a Kenyan and that he got into Harvard because he is black.
OutofPlaceOneLiner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think that's bad, just imagine how pro-democrat the entire field of academia is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But every college professor in the country can tell their students the exact opposite, right?
Pentt41207 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like most college campuses where democratic professors drool all over their candidates? Ok got it
PM_ME_YOUR_PM_PHOTOS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah. I once had a teacher rant that evolution couldn't be possible because "complexity can't increase in a closed system because it violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics." Apparently the Earth is a closed system, isolated from any energy source, like some sort of star it might be orbiting.
It was a history class.
Samurai_light ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to High School in TN and our senior English teacher openly prayed for the nation in class, passed out "literature" on the Clintons that sounded like she got them from a right wing conspiracy theorist's blog and openly supported "conservative philosophy", which by her logic, was not endorsing a specific political party, so it was okay. At the time, it just seemed normal. It wasn't until I was in college that I realized all the stuff she did that was simply inappropriate.
VROF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son's AP World History teacher told her students Weapons of Mass Destruction were found in Iraq
mugsybeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She probably read the wiki email links and not CNN.
Kotef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but a lot of people are okay with it being the other way around. which is equally wrong
mdewlover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 9th grade Humanities teacher in 2008 constantly praised Obama during class.
Rozeline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing this is in the south. In my high school, teachers were very open on their backwards opinions. The best science teacher I had in high school would go on an annual rant in every class about the evils of abortion. The health teacher only got the job specifically so she could coach cheerleading and her lessons were pretty much every cliche about abstinence education. Shitty analogies, lies, 'it'll make [I'm not saying god but it's totally god] sad'. You can get away with a lot down here. It's pretty gross.
doeldougie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 80% of my teachers made it publicly known that they were Democrats and would be voting that way. I always thouht that was messed up, but nobody seems to care unless the teacher is a conservative.
slapdashbr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Aren't the teacher's unions behind Clinton?
JaegerJ7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh they shouldnt but they do it anyway.My High school Government teacher's class just consists of shitting on trump one day our assignment was to read an article from the LA times about that just did nothing but shit on trump.
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So she should be saying that Trump will ruin this nation and that Hillary is going to save us?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The teacher shouldn't be talking about her political views in class period. She should be talking about what she is teaching.
TheFuzzyPickler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, okay.
That's where I hoped you were going with that.
JamesE9327 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a substitute bring up politics and the school made him leave
tylerpoppe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha. Oh man. You haven't been to Texas have you? Picture of Bush senior in our class room. A football coach teaching history so he can coach football (can't just be a coach). This was during the Bush Election:
"Some of you will be 18 by this election. I want you to think long and hard about the choices you make and the voting you'll be doing. It's very important to look at both candidates..." "...Bush took us from 9/11 and saved us. We'd be complete destroyed with out Bush. Please don't forget to vote kids" You could add any thing about bush that spun him as a positive and that same sentence would be one of the daily "get out and vote" speeches he gave us.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Texas and go to a high school here. Thankfully, none of my teachers have voiced thier political opinions in class.
tylerpoppe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's amazing. It seems different for my brother who is still there. That was the time of Freedom Fries where there was actual discussion of changing to that name in the cafeteria. Just a different time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and it could also vary from high school and location too.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well its true...
ElloJelloMellow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:34:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone who isn't a hillary shill and has common sense can clearly see that this country will be destroyed if hillary is elected. How many leaked emails does it take for morons to realize that she isn't a good person and that she is willing to sell out anyone for $$
ElloJelloMellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone with common sense can clearly see that this country will be destroyed if Trump is elected.
TuxPenguin1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because Trump is clearly a pillar of honesty and thoughtfulness. Fucking please. Trump is riddled with scandals, yet all anyone seems to focus on is Hillary's leaked emails.
vikingcock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:05:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, high school, I feel like at that age they should be forcing their students to have an opinion either one way or another.
mynewaccount5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No?
vikingcock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? They are teenagers, they need to understand people are going to have opinions one way or the other and that they should be able to understand there are a spectrum of views, and no one is correct. I'm not saying it should alter the school work, but having views challenged and challenging others is how we learn and change out own.
StichesCyrus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
she can say whatever she wants... merica
Wiggly_Muffin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah she should be promoting Hillary instead!
dunk_hs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not from the US so I don't know this, but in my country it is forbidden for politics to be discussed by teachers (except when it is relevant in the history class). Is this not true for US?
LvS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, seriously.
I mean, why would anyone want to ruin our nation?
FA0401 ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 15:30:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Don't worry, 90% of them don't care and the other 10% have already made up their mind, so she is only making a fool of herself.
EDIT: Can't read pronouns
GunKatas1 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This statement feels like the election in a nutshell, or any election really
tu-BROOKE-ulosis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:07:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention they are likely all (or the majority) aren't voting age yet anyways.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The teacher in question is a woman.
AllHipoCrates ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She
daveblazed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And also, the kids can't vote.
dogtony71 ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 15:31:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should probably report her. I teach, and while I may not agree with someone's opinion, I wouldn't push mine onto somebody else.
duckdelicious ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:23:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did. As far as I know, nothing happened. She's still there. I have a feeling that most of the administration is pro-Trump.
MrBoringxD ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 16:45:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you report your teachers for having a political opinion? Sure, she may tell of it publicly, but I seriously doubt she's going around converting students. The american education system is really fucked up, and it seems the students are part of making it bad.
Im_Not_Really_Here_ ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:55:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if it wasn't about Trump v Clinton but something like pro-life vs. pro-choice? Or same-sex marriage? You can't envision a situation where an educator's opinion would influence a young person? You can't imagine why a parent might be against that?
Stickeris ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's important for the teachers to remain neutral in political matters. School is for socializing kids so they can function as good citizens in a democracy. Not indoctrinating them into a certain political belief. School, like the country needs to treat everyone equally.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll get it when you have kids.
Denziloe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the upside, at least she's pushing it onto children, who are unable to vote.
I imagine because that's the only demographic gullible enough to listen to her.
hurrrrrmione ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:22:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's high school so depending on what grade(s) she teaches, some might be able to vote, and all or nearly all of her students will be able to vote next election.
m_dale ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:42:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My high school teachers tell us the opposite but for some reason it's completely ok
CanuckBacon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:31:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not okay either. Seriously, talk to your principal or someone in the administration about it. I'm fairly sure it's illegal.
morerokk ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, hating on Trump (but not on Hillary) is cool in this thread, apparently.
KingDoink ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see these two candidates as a choice between getting punched in the balls, and skinning my dick, running salt in it, then washing the salt out with Dave's insanity sauce.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a website frequented by milennials and young college graduates. Not sure what you expect.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Trump. Always the victim. Honestly, I don't see anyone defending this teacher either. Pushing your views on young, impressionable minds is a terrible thing to do.
HillaryShitsInDiaper ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the name Trump or Clinton is said on reddit, you can be certain CTR is around.
HotPandaLove ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:20:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's conspiratards are never far behind
Dino_Guy_II ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
> Using CTR as an argument un-ironically
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:19:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TekharthaZenyatta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, you're acting like a child.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:19:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And desinformatsiya will follow!
virginal_sacrifice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Trump is now somehow the big, scary man who hates women, but Hillary will save us because she is a nice lady. The uninformed voices in this thread are pathetic. It just shows me that the real problems in this country are not our candidates, but our people.
CarshayD ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:48:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many of my teachers did that. I had a fairly smart Forensic teacher shout about how much she hated Democrats, and me, being the only Democrat would be like "Hmm..should I tell her?"
rahyveshachr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 6th grade when Bush/Kerry was going on our science teacher decided to have us put our heads down and vote. Obviously we were just repeating what our parents were saying and afterwards Bush had like 20 votes and Kerry had one vote... mine. It felt weird that my parents were the only democrats in a sea of republicans (I had no idea what anything meant back then but... yay Idaho) and one kid was like "Whoever voted for Kerry is DEAD!" all joking but the teacher decided to "report" him and go as far as showing him the door to the principal before he made the kid sit down and treat it as a warning instead. I hated that kid and wished he really did get suspended with the zero tolerance policy lol
Emm03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm also from Idaho and this was me my entire childhood!
The worst was just before Obama's first inauguration when I was in seventh grade and ended up listening to three guys in my class talk about assassinating Obama, in very graphic detail. I think the principal got a call after I told my mom about it that evening.
The teachers at that school were all pretty liberal and very professional when it came to talking about party politics (I just happened to see all of them together at the 2008 Democratic caucus), but some of my high school teachers were horrible. I was still too young to vote in 2012 (but was seventeen and absolutely had my own political views by that point) and had a teacher tell my class something along the lines of anyone who would vote for Obama being an idiot. I think my parents gave up on trying to call the school because between my sister and I teachers crossing lines with politics happened on probably a weekly basis. I think it's mostly Idaho being pretty rural and provincial (and super conservative) and some people not realizing that not everyone is as conservative as them.
politicaloutcast ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in middle school and Obama was running for president, I once had a history teacher convince the class Obama was homeless, had no formal education, and working at McDonald's before he decided to run. That's a pretty terrible thing to tell middle schoolers, who quite frankly will believe anything.
mynewaccount5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you reported her to the school board?
CountDookusPizza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP replied in a different comment and said the teacher was reported, but nothing ever happened.
misskittykei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't she be fired for that?
Kenneth441 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many teachers and professors do this in America sadly. One of the Universities near me is filled with Liberal teachers and they'd constantly try to put Liberal ideals into their lessons.
Novicept ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well she isn't wrong
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse Psychology - she's really a Hillary supporter.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leave it to Crooked Hillary to create a plan so sinister.
Treasonable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my college, every single teacher does that but opposite
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet they are watching Birth of a Nation as well.
MadGeekling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the district I'm in, teachers are forbidden from pushing political or religious views in the classroom.
mrv3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when Obama ruined/saved America? Me either, despite the sports like treatment of the presidential debates the truth is the most likely outcome is a presidential candidate that will do very little and last 4 years.
OnlyMath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm like 90% sure that could end in termination.
ExtraCheesyPie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grade 12 history teacher did that, and went over the election every class with news. It wasn't even relevant to pre-modern western history.
I asked around and apparently nobody took issue with it, even though it was blatant propaganda.
weshric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should post that in /r/wtf
itsdietz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like my high school circa 2008. Teachers are inevitably going to put their bias on their students.
ironclownfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does it feel to be on the same salary schedule as a moron? Also, you should report this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is this not illegal?
ajlunce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's public that's illegal iirc
Sir_Crackerjacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that brought up memories of when I went to a gifted student camp way back in the summer of I think 6th grade at UVA. One of the courses I chose was political oriented but I remember our teacher would tell us every day how Barack Obama was an evil Muslim hellbent on destroying America with his evil transgender lizard wife (lizard may be an exaggeration but I really wouldn't be surprised if it's exactly what he said the dude was a loon). I then remember walking with a group of kids talking about the Iraq war and more than one child agreed that the best solution was to drop nukes all over the Middle East. The rest of the time there was less eventful save for my young dumb self running up to my two counselors, one of whom was black, and asked them if they'd wanted to hear a racist joke I had heard but moments ago before realizing what I was doing and recoiling in terror (for the record the joke was aimed toward a person of Mexican heritage which explains the lack of understanding at first).
byecyclehelmet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So long as it doesn't interfere with the teaching, it's perfectly fine to think and say that.
duckdelicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As Trump would say "wrong." It's a public school. We're there to teach not preach. It is against district policy to try and influence students to your political view or religious view.
byecyclehelmet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you misinterpreted my comment, then?
doyouremembah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please help those youth.
Peggy_Olsons_haircut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My eighth grade teacher told us that Obama was Muslim, and honestly I believed until embarrassingly recently. The thing was she told us this to show that he wasn't a good choice (same year as 2008 election) but I thought it was really cool that we might have a Muslim president. The scary thing is that she taught honors us history.
dangshnizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky it's high school where kids actually can start to form their own opinions for the most part... I promise you they are all judging the teacher heavily and super uncomfortable
bondfan98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a teacher in HS who says the opposite, that both are going to ruin our nation...
flirtydirtynerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have two daughters in high school, and I'm forever hearing about their teachers' political opinions. It's amazing how teachers these days think the kids want to know about their opinions, their plans for the weekend, their kids' lives, etc. Teachers' lives were private when I was growing up, and I think that's how it should be.
Hap-e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's true, doesn't mean she should be sharing her political views with children.
SingerOfSongs__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know that the teacher is very obviously highly in the wrong here, but as a high school student, I'd like to think that we all think independently enough to understand what she's doing, relentlessly mock her behind her back, and turn her into the biggest meme of the school year.
duckdelicious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the students who came to me thought it was hilarious. They actually mocked her. I told them to make up their own minds and research each candidate because their vote belongs to them. Working in a large high school opens your eyes to how much smarter many students are. Being a teacher has made me realize how inept many fellow teachers are. I love what I do but being one of a tiny group of Democrats in a heavily Trump town is difficult.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's some crappy teaching
TheFlashFrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprising, but only because plenty of teachers would tell their classes the exact opposite... Neither is okay to tell a room full of students who assume everything you say is right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that even allowed to speak something like that? she is hindering students from learning on their own.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you report her for that? I mean, objectively teaching students about politics, and encouraging them to be informed is one thing... using your influence to impart your personal opinion just seems like a thing a teacher shouldn't do.
SwingingSalmon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a teacher that had a framed picture of Obama in her room during the primaries. She then finished off lecture one day by telling us how great FDR was. I then asked, "Didn't he die at his mistress's house?" And she goes, "Thanks for ruining his legacy."
In hindsight, I should have responded that he did that, not me, but I was 12/13 when it happened.
sheeeeeez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this is why it's hard to force high school curriculum to include election/ballot information.
G_DUB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a teacher in high school (I just graduated last school year) who loved to impose her political leanings onto other people while she taught a U.S. government course, and she was the type to argue "socialism is bad therefore Bernie Sanders is bad". She added a bunch of her students on facebook and LOVED to debate politics in their various status updates, and at some point I finally got sick of it and wrote out this long-winded reply only to have her start her comment with "While Facebook is not the place to have a serious political debate..." or something to that effect. Like, what? You always debate people on this very same platform, yet you are trying to add illegitimacy to my comment by saying it is out of place? Fortunately I think my comment was enough to sway some people toward the more progressive side of politics, but who knows. I honestly hate arguing politics but I hate it much more when teachers can't be neutral in the classroom.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some schools let teachers do that stuff. I had a home economics teacher (female) who said women shouldn't be able to vote, and that chivalry was better than suffrage.
krakajacks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that legal?
Thisismypseudonym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They would both damage the nation but have you been reading any of the leaked e-mails? Seems like she is dead set on it.
nerevisigoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In middle school, our principal repeatedly made "emergency announcements" on the PA system about how our state governor (Jeb Bush) was going to cut our school's funding and that we had to tell our parents to vote against him.
jim5cents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, I hope that school isn't in the south and all of those high schoolers aren't 22 years old.
duckdelicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's in the South and these kids are Honors students. As far as I know, they're 17 or 18 years old. Really nice kids.
chemthethriller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't it say something when it seems surprising that a teacher openly doesn't agree with the democratic party? I feel like growing up, and in college literally every teacher I had was very liberal, or leaned democratic. I never met a republican in school... Which sadly with how our system is setup, with only two parties that have a real shot, there should be some from both sides at minimum telling you the positives, and negatives of both.
It appears like the liberal mindset has pushed the current generation into the state of thought they are in (or at least where I'm at now) of wanting everything for free. Is college too expensive? Yes. Does everyone need medical insurance? Yes. Is the only answer for this to have the government fund everything through taxation? No.
The problem with this country is that this mindset is snowballing to the point where if you don't agree with taxing the very wealthy at a high rate, and providing everything for free, you're almost looked down upon. We all know there are multiple ways to accomplish anything, yet this seems to be the only way, pushed through the school system that is running up these students bills.
Onion27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know whether you meant U.S. or us but both seem to fit really nicely
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that's illegal.
GigaanPrime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
smart kid
TheSonic311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had my students take transcripts of things Trump says and replace all the nouns with names of candy to show how he says nothing of substance.
We're going to have great jellybeans. Just wait. They're well reviewed. Everyone loves these jellybeans.
trainercatlady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ew
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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duckdelicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if she had been telling them the opposite (to vote for Hillary) you'd be perfectly ok with it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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duckdelicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Omg! How dumb.
skullminerssneakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh not cool. I support trump but i dont think they should be telling kids that
caroja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2008 my daughter was in 5th grade. Her teacher spent the entire period after lunch explaining to these students how Barak Obama was a Mislim and electing him would cause all of "us" to be put in Camps if we didn't convert. My kid came home fuming because it was "against the rules to subject students to personal political opinion". She thought the teacher was ignorant and should be fired.
MintyFreshNipples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How has she not been fired? Teachers shouldn't be pushing their political agendas on impressionable kids under the guise of education. That's fucked.
IrredeemableFox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My college PROFESSOR is doing that. It's a night class so I have to put up with her shit for three hours. I kinda hate that woman.
Sysiphuslove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, one out of two ain't bad
LydierBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. She's obviously brain dead and should lose her teaching license.
Joliet_Jake_Blues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um, tell on her.
No teacher should be promoting either side.
TheBeardedMarxist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that teacher was saying the same thing about Obama. It's been almost eight years, and I haven't seen any zombies.
StarSideFall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Northern California, and not one teacher at my school attempts to hide their political preferences; every single one supports Hillary. Some of the kids actually DO support Trump, and they commonly get shut down by teachers in class if they express their opinions. Honestly though, regardless of the fact that those kids are awful (last year they shouted at the Latino kids at a school wide assembly while chanting Trump), and I'm as left-leaning as democratically possible, it still really bothers me to see. It's an educational institution, and really shouldn't be showing so much bias, especially toward fairly impressionable students.
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think she's qualified to teach...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By the time i got to highschool everyone already thought that they knew politics anyways, so that would have just started a fight in class.
She still shouldn't be saying it, but i don't really think it'll change minds.
OAKgravedigger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even as someone who supports Trump, I'm not down for this teacher. Very unprofessional
real-dreamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:55 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deplorable.
duckdelicious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:32 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you did there!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even if people agree with her (i kinda do), that is not appropriate to cast personal beleifs on people you are supposed to teach.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well she's not wrong
EndlessIrony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's not wrong
kingdowngoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bless that teacher.
Buck_wild654 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart teacher
Shilvahfang ยท 714 points ยท Posted at 15:12:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a 6th grade teacher at a cultural charter school. The student body is about 95% hispanic and pacific islander. The pacific islanders seem to hate both candidates. The hispanics HAAAATE Trump.
ashishvp ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the Fillipinos just elected Trump on crack. So im not surprised they hate every candidate
JSBraga ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 16:43:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like them already.
461weavile ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:59:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm as white as white gets and I hate both candidates
Old_Man_Lockdown ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:03:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The pacific islanders have the right idea.
No matter which candidate wins it looks like America loses.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For good reason
pglass2015 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:57:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until he gets elected and deports them, Then they might warm up to him.
tcfootball15 ยท -34 points ยท Posted at 18:08:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the schools aren't as good in Mexico.
Shilvahfang ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 18:22:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4/10 - Not relevant to the text. Not clear which point you are addressing. Claims require supporting evidence or citations. You can do better.
QE-Infinity ยท -405 points ยท Posted at 15:18:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily they or their illegal alien parents can't vote.
mwilke ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 15:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is crazy but, did you know that it's technically possible to be both Hispanic and a citizen of the US? Some of them were even born here! Nuts, right?
ChronosFT ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 16:58:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like /u/QE-Infinity doesn't understand that Puerto Ricans are automatically US citizens at birth? Or those born in the US Virgin Islands? Or Guam?
Or that people who are "hispanic" or "latino" may have been in this country longer than his ancestors?
rhinguin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even know people in territories could vote. I knew they were citizens and protected under ours laws, but my school made it seem like they got absolutely no representation.
ElectricJellyfish ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:59:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can participate in the primaries but they don't vote in the actual presidential election. They do not have representation in the electoral college.
rhinguin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok that explains a lot then. Thanks.
illiteratidomine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:36:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a little more nuanced than that. Puerto Ricans are citizens but their territory has no electoral vote to allocate. People from Puerto Rico that move to the mainland (and meet the applicable residency requirement) can vote in our elections. It's true that Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico can't vote meaningfully in presidential elections, but roughly half of them are stateside where they can.
P0sitive_Outlook ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IKR? There're park benches in my town that are older than your country. It doesn't surprise me when i read about Americans of non-American descent who can trace their ancestry back to the time of the Founding Fathers...
parampcea ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 18:56:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
legally they shouldnt be. but its a loophole so they exploit it
SuperSocrates ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:19:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the citizens of Puerto Rico are the ones exploiting America, not the other way around, yes indeed.
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:56:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always intrigued by the number of downvotes someone can acquire in one hit. Turns out your history is full of them.
zombie_JFK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:21:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! How dare they have their country annexed and then live without representation for almost 200 years!
ChronosFT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's no "loophole". It's a specific law passed by Congress in 1917. Do you mean that using a law on the books is actually a "loophole"?
alekzander01 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 17:22:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heresy. Next you'll tell me the Blacks can vote and hold office too!
[deleted] ยท -75 points ยท Posted at 15:59:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but probably not.
QE-Infinity ยท -82 points ยท Posted at 17:01:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but those who are citizens and are able to vote love Trump. Why should illegal fucks make it harder for them to get ahead when they follow the law?
TheodoreOso ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:13:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Actually, most of the Latino community hates Trump. Including those us who can vote. We have voiced our concerns with Trump through many outlets and yet, for some weird reason, Trump supporters still think they have the Latino vote even though our concerns haven't been addressed directly.
by_whom ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:00:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The echo chamber is unusually strong this cycle
theivoryserf ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:40:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you're some smelly glob of self-hatred. Now I understand.
QE-Infinity ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 17:48:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you say such a thing?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:33:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is some infallible logic my friend
ScoobiusMaximus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:49:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should look at some polls with demographic breakdowns. Trump is getting like 11% of the Hispanic vote.
NotC9_JustHigh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:24:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
11%!!! Wow that's high imo.
SuperSocrates ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:21:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you personally talked with any Hispanic or Latino people about the election? Something tells me no...
BurpWallace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Daddy hires people to talk to the mud races who work outside.
Shilvahfang ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:56:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine why they don't like him or his message.
alekzander01 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:22:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are aware that people from Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc are American citizens who can vote... right?
QE-Infinity ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 17:24:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am. They love Trump. Only illegal aliens don't like Trump because they know they are fucked if he gets elected.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:46:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe they don't like him because he's a racist asshole. Wow, what a surprise.
JustHereForPka ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:18:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey only illegal Mexicans don't like trump and they can't vote so trump will win 300 million to 0!
fdsa4321lbp22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:05:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hawaii hates Trump.
Source: I live in Hawaii, most people hate Trump.
Railboy ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 16:35:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember guys, he's losing because of a media conspiracy. Not because he and his followers are hateful, unlikeable assholes or anything.
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:41:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man that's the part I hate most about this , I was all prepared to watch the_donald and all the other Trump supporters dissolve when he loses. Now thanks to their echo chamber they can just cry conspiracy instead of accepting that they are not in fact the silent majority and that the majority of America won't accept their hateful bullshit. Which means they're not going away , we're gonna have to keep dealing with these people and considering how they say shit like they're ready to revolt if Hillary wins and say they're planning to watch the polls to 'prevent voter fraud' I feel like it's not going to be pleasant.
Railboy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:57:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. After the first debate a lot of his supporters briefly came to their senses and realized what a nutbar he is. I think a lot of them were shocked by how unpolished and uninformed he seemed, and they began seriously contemplating what losing the election might mean.
This gave me hope. I thought, wow, maybe once the curtain's pulled back these folks aren't so unreasonable after all...
Nope! A few weeks later and they've doubled down. Now they don't even acknowledge all the impressive new ways he finds to completely fuck up from day to day, or how utterly incoherent and fractured his campaign is, or any of that. They just talk about the media conspiracy. (Or as I like to call it, our national immune system finally kicking into full gear.)
weirddodgestratus ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be thrilled to see them try and revolt tbh.
U.S. Military vs. A bunch of rednecks and neckbeards. Sounds entertaining.
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:04:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As long as it only hurts the morons stupid and violent enough to start stuff. I don't want any innocents getting hurt cause of these jackasses, just look at those 3 guys who were going to blow up an apartment complex full of immigrants, I don't want those kinds of things becoming more common.
falconinthedive ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:56:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And an SNL conspiracy. Those kingmakers.
Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Neither candidate should be winning in that case.
Railboy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:48:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Look, we all know Hillary is human garbage, okay? Nobody wanted her to get the nomination because we all knew her skeletons would make her un-electable. It was handing Republicans the election on a silver platter.
Then Republicans let Frankentstein's monster loose and the rest is history.
Trump's insanity utterly eclipses anything the Hillary administration could threaten us with. You know why nobody is focusing on her email scandal, or her war crimes, or her rape victim suppression? Because this rampaging buffoon keeps making it clear it's all peanuts compared to the crap he would unleash if he got elected. I'm seeing this meltdown with my own two eyes and I still can't believe it.
They've got no one to blame but themselves for putting her in office.
Briarmist ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 15:48:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok stereotypical racist Trump supporter#3467
Kurtarian ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:50:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're being sarcastic, right? Please tell me you're being sarcastic
TheodoreOso ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 16:13:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading through his comment history, he hates Mexicans, believes the Nazis did nothing wrong and is even proud that his grandfather was a Nazi accountant, and believes that taxation is nothing more than theft. I sincerely doubt that he was joking.
alekzander01 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:23:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got bad news for him, the Nazis were pretty big on the "loyalty to your country" thing and that included paying taxes to fund their war effort
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:58:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't expect stupid people to be consistent.
QE-Infinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:39 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where in my post history do I like Nazi's?
just_some_Fred ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:07:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, he thinks taxation is theft, and he's proud his grandfather helped people pay taxes? Cognitive dissonance much?
TheodoreOso ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:20:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he's just proud of his thieving ancestory! /s
BurpWallace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps he's more proud of the Nazi part than he is ashamed of the accountant part.
MrBojangoUnchained ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess he's fine if he thinks the money is going to a good cause. Like the Holocaust.
Kurtarian ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He can still be joking. Maybe he's playing the long game!
TheodoreOso ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:38:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol kudos to him of he is! I wouldn't be able to say the shit he does without feeling like a completely disgusting human being.
Pony2013 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:49:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you're just a bitch. It's words on the internet
BurpWallace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Internet shminternet, what you say is indicative of who you are.
regionalphilbin ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:28:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that escalated quickly.
FINDTHECOMPUTERROOM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If anything, that proves he's joking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delusion or trolling. Hopefully trolling.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was ist deiser รผntermensch?
weirddodgestratus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how dare someone call Trump supporters deplorable!
buttegg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, what a dick. He can kiss my gay brown ass.
QE-Infinity ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:11:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe the Nazi's did nothing wrong. I think they didn't have an extermination plan for the Jews because there is no evidence that they did. There is no question Nazi's were bad people.
falconinthedive ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:26:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from the death camps, einzatzgruppen, and Final Solution? Because that's pretty damn clear with primary documents, eyewitness testimony, physical historical record, and the resulting death toll that they most certainly did have a plan.
TrapHitler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:08:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he didn't see it. So it never happened!
/s
QE-Infinity ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 23:50:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those documents can be interpreted in many ways
From Nazi's under duress and Jews who want to justify Israel?
All the 'gaschambers' which conveniently got destroyed or rebuilt for 'historical' purposes?
Its war, people die. Allied forces destroying supply chains to the camps and typhus epidemics didnt help.
Id love to have a conversation about this with you but most people already seem to have made up their mind and will not listen to anyone who questions the official story.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:28:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this needs a /s
[deleted] ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 15:31:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Jasani ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:55:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I could really use an ass. May I have one? Mines really flat
SvenHudson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PM them, maybe happiness is an ass.
londongarbageman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking Hawaiians. /s
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because its illegal doesn't stop it from happening Examples:
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QE-Infinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. All the more reason to get this 'racist voter ID' bill passed.
Philanthropiss ยท 823 points ยท Posted at 15:50:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live across from a school and heard maybe a third grader yell "FUCK TRUMP" and then he ran off.
SvenHudson ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:15:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you have a sign in your yard to prompt that or is he just F-bombing people at random?
Philanthropiss ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:56:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No sign....just a random student doing a random thing Infront of the school.
seeing_both_sides ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asking the real questions
amsterdam_pro ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:43:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/politics experience in a nutshell
skullminerssneakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect sum up
Akuuntus ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#TuckFrump
MaverickAstley ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:47:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/hearthstone is leaking!
IntrigueDossier ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:31:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
running away "Heh, got 'em!"
samdenyer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:15:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. Sometimes the simplest ones are the best ones.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad
Noelwiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/MinimalContext
foxh8er ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart kid.
realfoodman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That deserves a discreet high-five.
joshl99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man that was so witty
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man democrats teach their kids their ways when they're young
BanEmilyxD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:50:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair conservatives do the same thing. Ideally people should let their kids make their own choices instead of molding them to their own.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:32:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it as a joke since alot of dems just yell "fuck trump" then run away
ReklisAbandon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My man!
[deleted] ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 17:53:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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BlupHox ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:08:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:25:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in 5th grade when Obama was running and I remember wanting him to win and getting mad at this kid in my class who wanted McCain to win. We weren't cursing at each other about it but this election cycle seems to have everyone angrier than usual so I could see this happening, especially since while we weren't cursing at each other we were cursing by 3rd grade since we thought it made us cool.
SvenHudson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're talking down about your past self but you should be glad you learned to swear early. I remember seeing kids who were still struggling with proper swearing in middle school and I was so embarrassed for them.
Agent_Cookie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:34:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. Does he really expect us to believe that someone doesn't like Trump. That's completely absurd! /s
Lizziloo87 ยท 1838 points ยท Posted at 15:06:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nanny here! My nanny kid is five and she gets to watch YouTube videos for a bit in the morning, she usually watches the same minecraft videos but this day she accidentally pressed a trump video and she blurts out "Donald trump?! I don't care for that guy" nonchalantly. Idk if she knew who he was or not (the video said his name) but I thought it was funny.
GoreWound ยท 444 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That five year old is going places.
Probably not a voting booth, but other places!
Gonzanic ยท 271 points ยท Posted at 15:53:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Five year olds are voting and they're voting Democrat. Voter Fraud is real! Breitbart was right, Lie-berals!
Itaywpyurucic ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:18:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids are voting Trump, okay? They're voting for me in tremendous numbers, believe me. And I've got many kids calling me and sending emails saying all sorts of wonderful things about Mr Donald Trump ๐๐ผ they're saying, they're telling me "you're the only one that will fight ISIS, you're the only one who will Make America Great Again" lots of intelligent kids saying that folks
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call the "๐๐ผ" emoji the "Donald Trump" emoji.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:58:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment has brought into my mind the wonderful concept of Donald Trump doing children's television!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:02:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone know why republicans like using so many nicknames? Every single election, the republican voters come up with all these sarcastic witty nicknames for the people involved. Obummer, shillary, some other stupid shit I cant remember right now, etc...
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:21:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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nermid ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:58:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liberal here, can confirm. Also, while I hate the practice in general, I still giggle like a child when people call Mitt Romney "Mittens."
It's just such an adorable nickname and it doesn't fit his personality in any way.
Sithlordandsavior ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's fun. It's like calling your teacher, Mrs. Maynerd, Mrs Mynards.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:22:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but we are talking about serious stuff here and we are also not children.
insouciantelle ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:35:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The shitshow we're calling an election has made everyone regress
Binturung ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be dumb. It's the dead that are voting Democrat, jeez.
KornymthaFR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, they'll mature out of their mindset.
ThrasherBoys ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but voter fraud is real.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:03:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't tell if sarcastic or serious.
ThrasherBoys ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:12:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's been proven real. It's how bernie lost the nomination.
there is a lawsuit in place https://www.scribd.com/document/317136795/DNC-lawsuit
hidden camera footage have not only shown HRC staffs speaking very nastily, but also endorsing ripping voting registration forms of Trump supporters. There is also footage of campaign lawyers endorsing fraud.
Addititionally, wikileaks has shown Donna Brazile forwarded debate questions before hand to Hillary's team. Not that it made much difference.
There are emails showing "interesting" information about primaries and how they schemed to get Biden and Sanders out of the picture in NJ.
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9846
George Soros has his hand on 16 states' electronic voting machines.
For me, there would be a lot to trust the process. A few I can think of from top of my head would be to not only have two vote counts electronic vote count, but also paper vote count to really verify no funky changes have happened. Additionally, having a head count of people that appear on voting day, for additional verification.
Even if Trump did win, I still want these kind of tabulated head count numbers to show proof no side cheated or tried to play the system funny.
As you can see, I am very distrustful of the election process. The credibility has been hurt for a long time in my eyes.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fun part is, it's always "the other guys" doing it. Nope.... happens on both sides.
SoupOfTomato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't really happen to begin with.
https://twitter.com/ashbylaw/status/787352959633981440
PM_ur_Rump ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You heard it here folks. SoupOfTomato is all knowing and their sources indefatigably honest and true. We can all rest easy, knowing democracy is safe because a tweet said so.
aboy5643 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Twitter chain. You didn't read it correctly.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you know, I did.
ThrasherBoys ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i didn't say it was just "the other guys" but they said voter fraud is not a real thing.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, not saying you specifically said that here, just that that's usually the implication when people bring up voter fraud. I'm agreeing with you in a way. It's a serious issue that affects all the voters.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the establishment working for itself, it's not a partisan thing. Trump and Sanders are both outsiders.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still not convinced Trump isn't a troll working to destroy the Republican party.
Gonzanic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading this a year ago and not believing it then. Now...I'm not so sure. Maybe he was Hillary's insurance plan.............?
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His slogan is "Make America Great Again."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would that be such a bad thing? Both parties are out of touch.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, I'm all for it. I'm not a member of either party, but have been watching the GOP be much bigger, much more organized pieces of shit for decades.
Again, the dems are no saints, and I disagree with things they have done as well, but the powerful 'pubs have gotten being united in being vile, war mongering, lying, cheating, hateful, xenophobic creatures that prey on ignorance down to a science.
Trump is beating them at their own game, and exposing their base for what it is.
Hillary is just more of the same republican light that the dems have been serving up for my whole adult life. But if getting her elected shatters the unity of the party of obstruction and spite, so be it. Progress is a slow game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would getting Hillary election shatter everything? It would just be business as usual with a big scoop of Cold War 2.0. Trump is the only one offering a change from the bullshit we've been fed by both parties for too long.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. Just no.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really showed me the light with that one.
Do you not see the problem with Hillary blaming Russia every time she stubs her toe? Do you not see and issue with them trying to say Wikileaks, a reputable organization that works against government corruption everywhere is a Russian mouthpiece? Are you not concerned by her threatening military action against Russia for cyberattacks, the likes of which the US commits regularly?
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a Hillary fan.
But Trump is so outrageously unqualified as to be ridiculous. This election is a farce and a shitshow. It has done nothing but highlight the blatant ignorance, bias and stupidity of many Americans. I'm sorry, there is no nice way to put it. If you support Trump at this point, you have embarassingly little grasp on reality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:09 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't answer any of my questions. Keep enjoying your ungrounded sense of moral superiority. It's what Hillary is counting on.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:48 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny thing, I'm not even planning on voting for Hillary. But I sure as hell ain't voting Trump. Keep on keepin on dude.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:32 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who else? Johnson? I lean pretty libertarian usually but he's a terrible libertarian. Supports the TPP, open borders, not a fan of guns, etc. Or Stein? She's alright but not my cup of tea. She did say Trump is better than Hillary because she'll start a nuclear war, so there's that.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:09 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not your business.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:57 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but that doesn't really help us have a productive discussion now does it.
ixora7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minecraftcon probably.
SomeDEGuy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:08:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything is possible in chicago
crazycrawfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah like the other side of the wall.
ZDTreefur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Probably"
intentsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe a beauty pagent
erasethenoise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Straight to the deditated wam store
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:52:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd vote that kid for president...๐ฆ
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ok, give me your insight. why would a five year old want to watch minecraft videos? i don't get it with that game. seriously, what's the deal there?
Lizziloo87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey big brothers play and she wants to do what they do :)
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well that just kicks the question down the road a bit. why do they play minecraft? what do they enjoy about it? i don't get it.
Lizziloo87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I'll ask them tomorrow. I think they just find it fun to build things, explore caves, and kill zombies
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you know that the guy who invented mine craft and sold it to Microsoft for $$$ is now basically Bojack Horseman, living an empty life in the Hollywood Hills.
Lizziloo87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did not know that lol
Shivvykins ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Minecraft videos? It wasn't Stampy Cat was it?
Lizziloo87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea, they sound age appropriate though. It's like some lady role playing a story
MuffHunter69 ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 17:01:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vocabulary word to use in a sentence was 'pleading.' I love my kids. http://i.imgur.com/QNVDjXb.jpg
fattycat23 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That child's handwriting looks way too much like my own, I'm in my 20s...
17Hongo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in my 20s and write like that too. Dyspraxia will do that to you.
meshaber ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:30:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 25 and there's no way I could ever write that neatly.
flxtr ยท 9016 points ยท Posted at 15:03:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I travel for work. My 8 year old son asked me if I have to go to Chicago ever again. I said not right now. He said good because Donald Trump said people get shot while walking down the street there. My 6 year old daughter didn't want Hillary to win because my daughter want to be the first girl president but now she does want her to win because Donald Trump is mean.
ColoradoSheriff ยท 7317 points ยท Posted at 15:12:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's cute.
colefly ยท 3256 points ยท Posted at 15:32:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand.
That 6 year old is already making calls.
[deleted] ยท 1287 points ยท Posted at 15:53:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now I'm just imaging a six year old ordering her political enemies cemented and thrown into the river.
MacStation ยท 649 points ยท Posted at 16:25:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean pushed into trains.
Velkyn01 ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 16:56:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/UnexpectedUnderwood
Xeez12 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:19:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/SubredditsAsHashtags
gruntbatch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:44:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Goddammit.
Laxziy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more partial to /r/SaraJUnderwood personally
ChargedMedal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/UnexpectedUndertrain
Velkyn01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too soon.
tygamer15 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:38:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean gym accidents
PromptedHawk ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:59:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean they comitted suicide by shooting the backs of their heads four times, then hanged themselves.
Azazael0110 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:12:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That reminds me of that Forensic Files show or whatever it is, my Granny still has either satellite or cable, can't remember which but I was watching the show late at night and some dumb bitch put a pillow to the back of her husbands head while he was asleep and shot him through the pillow, made the bullet go right through the back of his skull and killed the poor dude.
Anyways, the girl thought she could get away by telling the police that her husband shot himself in the back of the head but who the hell would shoot themselves in the BACK of the head if they wanted to kill themselves?
Why not pull a Kurt Cobain? He did it right. Sarcasm though, RIP Cobain
SkyezOpen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:23:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And get killed by Courtney Love?
Azazael0110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Kurt Cobain, the lead singer of the grunge band Nirvana, was found dead at his home, located at 171 Lake Washington Boulevard East in Seattle, Washington, on April 8, 1994. Forensic analysis determined that he had committed suicide three days prior on April 5."
SkyezOpen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a tongue in cheek reference that people think she killed him and wrote the suicide note.
Azazael0110 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh seriously? I never heard of it lmao. Well thanks for the info.
kbobdc3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
think she killed him?
FINDTHECOMPUTERROOM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something something mind-blowing
Chaos20X6 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:00:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean commuting suicide by two shots in the back of the head.
Da1UHideFrom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:27:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Double tapped by a train to the back of the head. It was ruled a suicide.
austinbro217 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome back
Any-sao ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Zoe. :'(
Too soon.
Whyyoulookinatmaname ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:08:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just pesky reporters.
SomeOtherNeb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then it's back home to play on the good ol' PS3.
Wait - is that a PS Vita? I gotta get one of those for my car.
CallMeDoc24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean committing suicide with two shots in the back.
SadGhoster87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like trains.
Iamchinesedotcom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean shot on the bowl with a crossbow.
The_New_Big_B ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean gym accidents
unique3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean committing suicide with two shots to the back of the head
akasmira ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched this a few hours ago.
telegetoutmyway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's already deleting emails.
DrZoey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NO BRAKES!
Stealth528 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is but one rule- hunt, or be hunted.
GodOfDumbness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no no, they fell onto the tracks. Just another day in Tokyo.
CapWasRight ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:35:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lady Mormont takes no shit.
mistriliasysmic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baby badass
Ducksaucenem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll be taking nap time with the fishes!
SunriseSurprise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I want you to hult hull."
"Hult hull...huh?"
"Hult hull a lot."
"I don't understand what you mean."
"Make hull bleed."
"Make...hul-OHHH, you want us to huRt heR! Well yea we can do that."
Grindlesaurus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You may think it's odd, but I was talking with the father of a little girl I teach karate to. She just turned seven. Anyways, the father was telling me how there are people who park up and down his street on the weekends, and how his daughter has heard him "voice his annoyance" before. Apparently he voiced his annoyance again the other night, and his daughter said, "It's OK Daddy, the next time we see those people, we'll just wait for them to get their cars and then we'll break their legs".
I was simultaneously proud and horrified.
LegendOfPublo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awww, she deleted her first email!
OwnSlaves ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean commit suicide. So many of Hillary's witnesses have died that way.
itsdietz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man. If only she could do that to both our candidates.
PM_ME_UR_FLOWERS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're on my list!
Mommy how do you spell 'list?'
billionairdescendant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously can't just drone someone.
Especially when they have a 500gb insurance file.
d-O-r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh dear, I can already see Trump twittering something like that tomorrow.
BVTheEpic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poisoned by their enemies
Hunterogz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or you can skip the cement and push them into a 6-foot wide river.
MrMountainFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talking to the four year old down the street: "When I was your age I'd already killed seven men. Maybe you should grow up."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*deleting revealing emails
TIWIH777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:33 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All Hail Britannia
A_Suffering_Panda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If we want the first female president to do that, then we should just elect Clinton
obamasrapedungeon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:40:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean accidentally committing suicide
cjhobbes ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 15:41:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and having duffel bags barbell people.
moxyll ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 15:52:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is barbell a verb now? what does it have to do with duffel bags?
Frapplo ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 16:09:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything can be a verb if you barbell it enough.
NoKidsDadJokesAnyway ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:31:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's perfectly cromulent reasoning.
theoutlet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't imbiggen their ego.
MetallicOrangeBalls ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:10:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you bubulise the vespectitute of the naeglarian scopsis, you risk ensloughing the roqunant felistitade.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are ALL barbelled on this blessed day!
Architect42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself
SithLord13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:32:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am ALL barbelled on this blessed day!
NiobiumGoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can barbell someone with a brick if you try hard enough.
KornymthaFR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buckyyyy!
WhatTheFhtagn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Verbing weirds up language.
PhysicalStuff ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:45:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is a verb. Verbing weirds language.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:39:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd explain it to you, but I don't want to be barbelled and duffled.
PocketPillow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assume body in a duffle bag with bar bells to sink it to the bottom of the river.
SickleSandwich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me try... I barbell my family!
cjhobbes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
John Ashe and Gareth Williams, respectively
socokid ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:47:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
LOL the World Nut Daily?
That is hysterical...
Here is a much better, not insane article of what happened.
dankmernes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duffle bag barbell people
Duffle bag barbell people
Duffle bag barbell people is fun to say
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that 6 year olds name? Leslie Knope.
Sub116610 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Katie? Ok, yeah, the bird has flown the coop. Tonight, we take her out. Let me know when the eagle has landed.
See you in math tomorrow. Bye."
ferretRape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it. I'd vote for her.
tesseract4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, she's got an exploratory committee set up for 2048. The cycle starts sooner and sooner every time, so she's pretty smart to get a jump on it.
BearKind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump, Hillary, a 6 year old...
I know who Im voting for!
colefly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Finally, someone on Trumps speech and literacy level.
BirdBlind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh come on, give the kid a little credit.
nbx909 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Fixtr foundation has been set up and is already selling influence.
nmgoh2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary has been campaigning for president for the last 12 years. By the time his daughter is old enough, she will have had to be making calls since now.
LeodFitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, man! I thought that I was just talking to one of those political cold callers with a really immature voice. If I'd know she was actually six I wouldn't have called her a bitch and hung up on her!
mrclassy527 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WHERE ARE HER EMAILS HUH? WHAT IS THIS SIX YEAR OLD GIRL HIDING?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some say shes already deleting her emails
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean Hillary did that too, when she was that age.
CiscoKidd72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know who I'm voting for now
CKtheFourth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These elections are starting earlier and earlier.
VickiiPearls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell her to run, i'd vote for her now.
Pseuzq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah dad, better nurture those Chicago connections.
crazycanine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Presumably she's Trump's policy advocate, wait she's too intelligent for that.
BirdBlind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just as long as there are no emails involved...
dorkdiariesisforboys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Reddevil313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And deleting emails.
colefly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one shall find out her correspondence with Mr.Snuggles
Reddevil313 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Snuggles has been suicided. Shot himself in the head... twice.
kotokun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LadyMormont4prez
Bosilaify ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how Hillary started...
colefly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:10:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Documentary Narrarator
"Her first words were made when her uncle stole her nose, she threatened to make him disappear. By the age of 1, her uncle was gone, missing, but her nose remained."
"Mr. Trump's first words were made just before breast feeding. We are not allowed to air them on this show. Yet we are still being sued. By the age of 2, Mr.Trump was claiming existence was rigged."
moistbagel420 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully she isn't deleting emails
colefly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its the best move for her.
While there is nothing criminal in those emails,
NOBODY can know about her tryst with Mr.Nezbitt after the tea party. Mrs.Nezbitt is an influential law enforcer.
MasterGreenMario ยท 249 points ยท Posted at 16:14:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm still mad that Obama took my dream in 3rd grade.
[deleted] ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 17:28:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He took every ambitious black kid's dream kid. And no offense I would've beat you to it. I would've had about 10 years on you and already had the coup planned out if I lost the election. Long story short, there were gonna be a lot of dead Indonesians after people found that birth certificate I was forging.
atrealdonaldtrump ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:47:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't worry, you can be the first mexican president.
Not_Cleaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's too bad you won't even be the first person to attempt a coup. I can easily see Trump suggesting one in a few weeks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I wouldn't have been the first one anyways... See:
Business Plot FEAR Militia)
Not_Cleaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The FEAR Militia were a bunch of wannabes. They did more damage to former members than they did to anyone else. You're right about the Business Plot though. But one could make similar statements about the Whisky and Shay's Rebellions too.
I don't think a loser of an election has ever attempted an insurrection. Except perhaps Aaron Burr (after he completed his term) and one of the losing VPs in 1860 fought for the South.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't all people who never actually make a successful coup wannabes? Also I'm not sure you can call the secession a coup. The southern states didn't actually try to overthrow the government. They illegally withdrew from the union.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly same. I liked Obama. And I still do. But I wasn't gonna be happy settling for second black president
IntrinsicSurgeon ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:52:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just make it to third black president. It's only after third that people stop caring. You got this!
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:47:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's half white, so you can settle for being the first true black president, or something. I'm sure if you're president, you'll be powerful enough to get people to think of an appropriate title for you. Don't let your dreams be dreams!
Zebramouse ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:05:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3rd grade...Obama...3rd grade. Christ, you guys keep thinking of new ways to make me feel old.
Ofactorial ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:27:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel any better he isn't even a senior in high school yet.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:39:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit and hes on reddit
BornInTheRSA ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:00:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break it to ya, but there had already been a male president before Obama...
McFlurryMac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:03:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The first black president.
BornInTheRSA ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:22:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...
06rg11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ho. Ly. Shit. I'm old. I voted in both of those elections.
dinosorority ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:35:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A sign of good parenting. "Why be a princess when you can be president?!"
AdvonKoulthar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:02:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can be a princess longer than 8 years.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a bit competitive, no? Nothing compared to my boys though. If they heard that they would probably say "no, I'm gonna be the first girl president."
LegioVIFerrata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frogs in a bucket...
whitewateractual ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But also--think of the impact a Hillary president would have, politics notwithstanding, just to show that is possible for a woman to be president.
Cunninglinguist87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Full disclosure, there's still a tiny part of me that doesn't want Hillary to win for this reason.
In any case, VOTE CUNNINGLINGUIST87 FOR PRESIDENT 2024
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leslie Knope ?
Pooperism ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And let's be honest, she probably would make a better first female president, even if elected at the age of six...
Manleather ยท 2711 points ยท Posted at 15:35:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your daughter sounds like Leslie Knope:
"I don't want her to win because that's been my dream since I was a little girl to be the first female President, but of course I want her to win because she is a powerful and experienced woman politician, and Trump is a meanie-head."
Jhrek ยท 944 points ยท Posted at 16:37:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The world needs more of Leslie Knope and maybe a bit more of Ann Perkins too
[deleted] ยท 1144 points ยท Posted at 16:52:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ann Perkins! ๐๐
screaminginfidels ยท 751 points ยท Posted at 16:55:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You beautiful, naรฏve, sophisticated newborn baby.
Routes ยท 268 points ยท Posted at 17:10:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You poetic and noble land mermaid.
TalkToTheGirl ยท 170 points ยท Posted at 17:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You beautiful tropical fish. ๐
DrewsephA ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 17:46:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ann Perkins, you opalescent tree-shark.
[deleted] ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 17:48:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ann, you cunning, pliable, chestnut-haired sunfish.
microcosmic5447 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now you're just saying gfycat links.
Mikeavelli ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what inspired the original writers.
So, we've come full circle.
MintyFreshNipples ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, for real? Like, you're probably just joking but it isn't that absurd.
ihadaquestion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the show is a bit too old for that, but I wish.
ghost_victim ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:33:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Time for another watching..
throwawayballs8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot ethnically ambiguous
Brandinon ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:10:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you are... LITERALLY. The best person ever.
BurntPaper ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:33:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LITRULLY
-Mountain-King- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LITRALY
Teuthex ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:12:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ann Collins, too.
TheCatcherOfThePie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:56:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally me applying for accountancy jobs.
dimechimes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:44:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment made me literally cry with happiness.
detecting_nuttiness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:21:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean,
(โ๏พใฎ๏พ)โ Ann Perkins!!
Emoji-Free_Reddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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NapoleonTroubadour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I - love - dates.
tamadekami ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:24:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think really what we need is more April Ludgates.
Feralbritches1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:04:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who else is going to have the home of a champion?
Altef ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:11:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And a LOT more of Andy
Sporkosophy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't make me do anymore work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't like her in the office and didn't like her in Parks and Rec :/
lxpnh98_2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:37:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's racist.
SpuddMeister ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also sounds like Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley:
"I don't want to live in the world where the person making it a better place isn't me."
PatiR ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:03:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
read that as Melanie-head
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Insert penis joke here.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:34:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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PatiR ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tomato potato, Ivana/Ivanka.
Edit-You don't wanna tell me how i read that.
Chaosmusic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please add me to your mailing list.
anitabelle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure this is an exact quote from Leslie Knope.
Robinisthemother ยท 228 points ยท Posted at 15:17:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww
habitswroteshould ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cute as fuck
[deleted] ยท 255 points ยท Posted at 15:13:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your 6 year old daughter is the future president in 2048
[deleted] ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 15:25:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Packers91 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Flxtr's daughter wins I'm moving to Mars!
Creath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/flxtr's daughter for Moon President 2048
clvnmllr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:38:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heard she even got the 8192 tile already. She's going places in 2048.
ashiun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:06:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask her for some tips for me pls. I've only ever gotten up to 1024
JackHarrison1010 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:50:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it ridiculous that you have to be at least 35 to be President. Why isn't it 18 like the voting age?
Iranoutofalts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Future president in 2040 right here ;)
ThirdRook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind me! 31 years. Start campaign.
Schonke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
38 year old president?
jim5cents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that would make her the youngest president ever.
ZeMoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just vote her in now?
hi_im_sefron ยท 150 points ยท Posted at 16:10:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your little girl can run for president in 29 years, but the Donald will be hitting on her well before that
AMuonParticle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:01:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming he hasn't already?
ArmoredFan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:50:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're assuming she isn't ugly.
EnsonAmata ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:|
solas_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/jesuschristreddit
hi_im_sefron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:21:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been my dream to get a /r/jesuschristreddit
ty
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:47:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hitting on = grabbing her
right inby the pussy.Drugsmakemehappy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus dude
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:38:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, those are Trump's words, not mine. I was just reminding people of what Trump's idea of 'flirting' looks like.
TheFlapjackPedant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's "Grab her by the pussy". You clinton supporters always have to twist Donald's words!!!!! /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, right. Corrected.
JulioCesarSalad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know many on Reddit struggle with knowing what is appropriate to say in certain situations, but that is not ok at all to say to someone about their daughter.
I understand it's a joke about Trump, but the joke goes too far when you're saying it to a parent about their own kid (not that it's very tasteful in other circumstances either).
TheGrimoire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In real life, yeah, that's really fucking weird to say. Internet is fine though imo.
hi_im_sefron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, how long have you been on the internet? lmao
itsdietz ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:58:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not before Bill does.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:12:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She can still be the first likeable female president.
IAmKnightSolaire ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:23:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's your kids name? She's got my vote
Queefmist ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 16:02:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't even know her policies
VigilantMike ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:31:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to election season.
Slacker5001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where everything is made up and the points don't matter!
The_enantiomer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:34:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bouncy houses on every corner, free Candy Tuesday, and no more math homework.
Parmizan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem to bother Trump voters...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You act as if over 90% of Hillary's policies don't line up with Bernie's.
BadlyTimed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's rational enough to call trump a meanie. That's all I need to know.
JSBraga ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be worse than Trump or Hillary.
moncaisson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's a girl, that's all the policy he needs.
bostonshroomery ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:53:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Girls are funny, get over it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ayy
IAmKnightSolaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly
tomdarch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an in-the-city Chicagoan, yes, people do get shot walking down the street here. But those are drug-dealing gang members. As long as you're not a drug-dealing gang member, then you're odds of being shot while walking down the street are effectively zero.
Also, I'm sensitive about trying to not prompt kids with my political views, but at some point I couldn't keep lying, and now have no problem mentioning that Trump is "the mean guy" around kids because he is.
KarmaAdjuster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:47:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reassure your daughter that even if Hillary is elected, your daughter can still be the BEST girl president.
magda_smash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 10 year old daughter said the same thing about wanting to be the first woman president!
ImJustQwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give her a blackberry
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your daughter Leslie Knope???
YasiinBey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd vote for your daughter over Hillary any day..
2580374 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your 6 year old can have my vote as opposed to the other two
Brandinon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your daughter Leslie Knope?
doyouremembah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry that man made your son worry for you.
CQReborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the kind of ambitious people we need in the Whitehouse, only 6 years old and already plotting.
flxtr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's refusing to release her transcripts from Show and Tell
CQReborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I used my teacher's typewriter from the homeroom because he left it there when he stopped teaching"
SidewaysLens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same reason everyone else is using, so she may as well too
Namllih ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About sums up the reason most people aren't voting for him
hadesflames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a shame, because if your daughter were to run right now, I'd vote for her.
whogivesashirtdotca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3 year old niece is American. I was chatting with her the other week and asked who the first female President will be. She gave it some hammy-acting thought, then smiled and pointed at herself.
CTU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She can always be the first good one
dropdgmz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald is just brash and people's feelings get hurt to easy this day and age. Finish after me sticks and stones....
flxtr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...may break my bones but grabbing pussy is sexual assault.
AG9090 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your daughter Leslie Knope?
Golden_Dawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only 571 in [current year].
ThirdRook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should talk to her the trail of mysterious deaths folling the Clintons.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of an anecdote I read about Theresa May: she's been a member of the Conservative Party her whole life but was not very happy when the Conservatives won the 1979 general election because she wanted to be the first female Prime Minister (she wasn't even a candidate for MP at this point, but she was very ambitious) and Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister as a result of that win.
TheBeardedMarxist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Don't worry buddy. I'll just be in the white part."
A_BOMB2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your son isn't wrong about Chicago though.
manchegoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting they don't?
Canazza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
!remindme 30 years, is their daughter president yet?
jmurphy42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My seven year old daughter had the exact same reasoning.
MoistStallion ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately this is how most voters vote, by seeing which candidate's words hurt their feelings...
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:20:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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QueequegTheater ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:31:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that he's completely wrong. People get shot in the shitty neighborhoods, just like literally every other large city. It's a problem, but Chicago is not some fucking active warzone.
Doctah_Whoopass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chicago has had more murders this year than the entirety of Canada 2 years ago.
QueequegTheater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Canada doesn't have an ingrained gun ownership culture or a massive gang problem.
photonicphacet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some parts of Chicago ARE an active war zone, and they are unlabeled.
QueequegTheater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you've ever been to Chicago. You can walk through Englewood (you shouldn't, though) and you won't run into a firefight every hour, so no, it's not a warzone.
photonicphacet ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been there once or twice. Maybe YOU can walk thru Englewood, but I cannot. Small weak-looking whites should not go there. In fact, I bet YOU would not go there either. You talk it, but you will NOT go there if you are sane. Chicago is worse than Iraq. Most war zones do not have firefights every hour.
QueequegTheater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:02:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Chicago is not even close to Iraq. The number of dead Americans from 2002-2014 is comparable, but there are literally 8 million people living in the Chicago area, while the U.S. presence in Iraq was less than half a million.
Not to mention the tens of thousands of dead Iraqis. But I guess that doesn't count because it contradicts the narrative.
And I don't go to Englewood. But my cousin walked a beat there for over a year. I know what I'm talking about when I say it's not a warzone.
photonicphacet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:27:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Englewood may not be a literal war zone, but you still will not go there. I think you are correct to not go there. Your cousin is crazy tough.
QueequegTheater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not denying it's a rough area. But everyone blows Chicago's issues way out of proportion for reasons I don't understand.
I love the city and don't like people insulting it. Sue me.
photonicphacet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is not as bad as St Louis, I will grant you that, but still it is too fucking dangerous.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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QueequegTheater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it really isn't even close to a war zone.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100% factual. Glad he's aware of the real problems in the country.
PMMEYOURDANKESTMEME ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Chicagoan, trump isn't being mean. It's the truth. Some parts of the city truly are hell.
flxtr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I was working in Lincolnshire.
PMMEYOURDANKESTMEME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, unless you actually go through the ghetto and meet the people, you really won't know how bad it is. I was personally insulted when Tim Kaine said durning the vp debate that African Americans are not living in hell. I would like to see home go down there.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People from Chicago say the same thing, granted.
Not all of Chicago, of course, but more "I ended up in an unfamiliar area and basically just floored it past all stop signs and lights until I got the fuck back to my neighborhood."
Bruh_Man_1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lived in Chicago. Can confirm.
bearfoxmousemushroom ยท 17818 points ยท Posted at 15:48:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach Pre-K and a little girl very seriously informed me that, " Donald Trunk (yes, she said Trunk) was a bad man because he tells people he has lots of good surprises but he's really a big liar".
My other favorite was a little boy who said, "I like the lady one because when she talks real loud her turkey gobble under her chin wiggles".
MengTheBarbarian ยท 12513 points ยท Posted at 16:36:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little kids are fucking savage.
katiethered ยท 5054 points ยท Posted at 16:44:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I had a four year old run up to me once and exclaim, "YOU ARE HUUUUGE!" while her sheepish mother followed behind saying, "TALL! The word is tall, dear!!"
Edit: And now my top comment is about how huuuugeeee I am! Oh well.
JoNightshade ยท 3373 points ยท Posted at 17:06:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My six year old still doesn't really get that people being fat is seen as a negative thing, or how it relates to food/exercise, so he's always VERY impressed by large people. One summer when he was 4, we had a membership at a local athletic club and I would take him in the locker room with me. There was this one woman who was very, very large... especially her rear end. I ended up having to try to explain WHY someone would be upset by a kid pointing and saying, "LOOK HOW BIG HER BUTT IS, MOMMY!" He totally did not get it. I mean, to him, it was IMPRESSIVE.
Edit: Four years on reddit and my most upvoted comment is about butts. Figures.
DancesWithPugs ยท 3775 points ยท Posted at 17:16:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He likes big butts and he cannot lie.
Somebody_Named_Wyatt ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 17:27:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even white boys got to shout
Baby Got Back!
protozoan_addyarmor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:31:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
plot twist: the kid was Asian
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 17:35:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His other mother can't deny.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:36:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His other brothers can't deny
Iwanttofuckadigimon ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:18:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When a girl walks by with a big ol waist and a big thang in his face, he gets Sprung!
Edit: I know the actual lyrics. I just thought we were talking about the fat lady her son saw in the locker room.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 18:23:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Iwanttofuckadigimon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:36:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know. I just thought we were talking about the fat lady he saw in the locker room. Hence "big ol waist"
ShintakiShrooms2002 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:32:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They grow so fast.
cybercougar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:42:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the funniest/dumbest most perfect/fitting comment I've seen on here in a while.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The truth couldn't be held back just like her enormous thighs
swheels125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And what do his other brothers say?
robertxcii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the other toddlers can't deny.
dkcats3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone give this guy a medal
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All his little brothers can't deny When a girl walks in To the ymca gym With a round thing, tryna swim He gets
Slightly impressed
D_Man10579 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those other toddlers cant deny
Lakus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:33:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That song came on the radio just as I read that, while pooping 3,5 hours after I should have gone to bed. Somewhere out there, the stars aligned just for this moment.
DancesWithPugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's freaking anazing. Now go find and listen to Squaredance Rap, then your life will be complete.
beachedsail ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn u r good
FiveMinFreedom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His father had to deny
JohnLocksTheKey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah...he's six
PM_ME_ZELDA_HENTAI_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You other brothers can't deny.
gorthiv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His other brothers can't deny.
zer0t3ch ยท 954 points ยท Posted at 17:10:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a butt man.
Potatoswatter ยท 834 points ยท Posted at 17:17:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. He can be socialized to grasp prevailing norms or whatever, but his heart is made up for life.
bitwise97 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:57:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's made an impression on him and he will be attracted to big butts for life. Nice going Mom!
JcP444 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And on that day little Johnny knew he would be an assman for life
BettyCrockabakecakes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:14:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the ass man.
zer0t3ch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Defender of the crack, man.
tewtee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Champion of the... cheek
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bester of the behind
rie9shock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been waiting for the right time to post this link!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKHUgJ5suIA
irrelevantPseudonym ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Giving him batty chirps? You calling him a whammer?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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watermister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He just don't know the need for more cushion for the pushin'.
Sysiphuslove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is now
Don_Antwan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the Assman!
https://youtu.be/snrve_xm5WU
WeAreKyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na butt man!
Sadrockman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cosmo Cramer: Ass Man.
LaBelleCommaFucker ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my cousin was 4, he asked me if I had been eating rocks. I said no and asked why he thought that. He said "Because you're fat!" with this shit-eating grin. While his mother took him in the other room and explained why that was rude, I laughed so hard I cried. His logic was just so funny.
Juggernauticall ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:21:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get it. Big butts are impressive to me, too.
residentchubbychaser ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:09:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do a lot more than just impress me.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:34:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Jahkral ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:30:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to make fun of my dad's receding hairline because I knew it would upset him and then I lost my hair a decade earlier than he did.
chainer3000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little sister visited me from college a few months back, and when she walked in I said "wow, you look great! You've lost some weight!"
She looked at me all pissy and said "so are you saying I used to be fat and ugly!?!"
Ugh. I see those many years of tormenting you when we were children did some serious damage. Sorry about it. But no, I was saying you currently look good and lost some weight - nothing about how you used to look...
Stijakovic ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:07:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my brother was very young, he equated fat with muscle mass. He'd see an obese person and say "I bet that guy can lift 400 pounds!" In a sense, I guess he was right...
AHopelessSemantic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:44:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about building mass bro
HairlessSasquatch ยท 121 points ยท Posted at 17:22:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine explaining that to the lady
"You see he doesn't see how being large is negative"
"negative? Oh.bitch you just did not mm mm no."
prodmerc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:26:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh just walk away at a brisk pace
71z47 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:07:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha reminds me of a story my parents always tell me about. When i was around kindergarten age i asked my mom if this lady in the supermarket was pregnant, WAY louder than i shouldve. Wasnt pregnant, just fat and very red in the face after my comment.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:33:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my kid was in preschool, a classmate told a teacher she'd gotten fat. The kids were all told VERY seriously that calling attention to someone's size like that was "potty language."
For the next six months, my daughter insisted that you're only allowed to talk about getting taller when you're inside a bathroom.
turnipheadscarecrow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her deductions are impeccable. Your kid may make a reputable logician some day.
justpeaches ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love this. I wish we could see our bodies and other people's bodies through a child's lens, not judgemental and positive! Maybe without the child's lack of filter, but it is a totally different way of moving g through the world.
chainer3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, that's just a serious lacking of common sense. While it sounds wonderful at first, the reason why it's negatively looked upon is because it's harmful. Like smoking, it's up to the individual to choose, but it's a stupid choice to make. I say this as a smoker, just to throw that out there.
justpeaches ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:40:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think any health concerns v. pleasure is reason enough for people to make their decisions, no need for people to pass judgement unfoundedly. For example this woman is in a health club, so there should be no need for shame to be associated with her body in order to get her to work out. She was there. Besides there is countless data showing that punishment or shame for ones choices is not an effective tool for changing behavior. In fact the opposite is true.
justpeaches ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Besides, you haven't quite smoking...have you?
chainer3000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, I wasn't saying shame the lady. If she's trying to better herself then she deserves praise regardless of how she go to where she is. I was just saying seeing complex issues through the eyes of a toddler may sound wonderful and all, but it's an absolutely horrid idea
I have no idea how you took what I said and got 'SHAME HER' out of it
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you defended judging people for things like their weight.
chainer3000 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, I said probably the softest spoken opinion of 'it's not healthy to think like a toddler' and your poor safe space was offended. Life must be fucking rough for you lol
justpeaches ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like I said ALL issues should be looked at through the lens of a toddler, like I'm not interested in their opinions on current events or public policy. I said that it would be nice if we viewed bodies without judgement like youth does. Jesus.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:28:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His anaconda don't want none unless she's got buns, hun.
Sugarpuddin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son was convinced only fat people were humans until he was like 5. If we saw a large person at the store he'd point and say 'what a biiiggggg human'. I tried to explain that we are all humans but he wasn't buying it.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel your pain. Have had many parent teacher conferences because the child does not understand why people would be uset about being called "China boy" or things like that.
donth8urm8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:22:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's from all those things they can't do "until their big". Clearly fat people are all ceos making the rules we live by since they are the biggest.
prettygin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:56:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently as a child I once walked up to my mom and said, "Wow mom, look at your butt! Isn't it big?" She did not appreciate it.
AHopelessSemantic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:42:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paging Dr. Freud
Killsbury3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:59:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh I'm 21 and I still have to fight the urge to do this
Like yea i recognize if someone is really that big chances are they're unhealthy and feel bad about it, but that's secondary to the knowledge that this god among men could murder me with the weight of their ass.
teveisboss ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if he's impressed by big butts then he's just growing up too fast.
nezzthecatlady ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love little kids' lack of filter. I have a nose piercing but while I'm at work I either cover it with a band aid or put in a spacer. When I have a band aid on I'll usually get about ten kids throughout my shift go "WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR NOSE" while looking at me with huge eyes. I usually tell them I got in a fight with a bear and the little ones just accept it. The only skepticism I've gotten from a kid was a ~5 year old informing me that "We don't have BEARS around here!" Which we most definitely do not. I don't even know if our tiny excuse for a zoo has any bears.
tipsana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was waiting for the elevator with my 4 year old son. The doors opened to reveal one of the most morbidly obese women I've ever seen in person.
Out of the corner of my eye, I see my son's hand raising, almost in slow motion, to point in her direction. I knew what was coming and couldn't even begin to know how to stop it. All I could think to do was to push his hand down, as if that could stop what we both knew was coming out of his mouth. In a shocked voice, my son yells "That lady is so huge!".
I told the elevator lady we'd take the next one.
asifnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha my four year old was at a birthday party yesterday and told the birthday boy's mom "you are even bigger than my aunt! And she is the biggest"!
CocoaBagelPuffs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a little kid I said to my mom, "You have a big butt! I have a little butt. When I'm older, I'll have a big butt just like you!"
DerangedDiphthong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
weelll, were you wrong??
RobinsEggTea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my sister's and I were little we would follow our fat uncle's around and stick out our bellies as far as they'd stretch and declare "I'm going to be as big as Uncle Jim one day!"
AcceptablePariahdom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, if her butt was just big like DAAAAAAYUMN, it might be impressive. If her butt was so big you could set tea on it... well honestly that's still impressive, just in a negative way.
HaydosNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little brother had the same lack of comprehension when he was younger. We were at the mall and he was nagging my mum for a Mars Bar, she politely informed him that if he had too many Mars Bars he would get fat.
We got in the lift moments later and stood next to a rather large fellow, my little brother turned around and asked with a deadpan expression: "Wow, how many Mars Bars have you eaten!?"
Mum couldn't put her hand over his mouth fast enough and usher us out of the lift on the next stop... it was hilarious!
Agarax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids love fat people. "Santa is fat. Santa brings me cool shit. Therefore fat people are cool."
-usurper- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a grocery store with one of my boys. Maybe four or five at the time. A fat guy was in the same aisle as us. My boy screams to me "look at that big belly!" I was wishing there was a hole big enough for me to crawl into.
JC-Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd better teach him that it's bad for you. That's how I became obese throughout my childhood.
JoNightshade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I just feed him healthy food and make sure he gets plenty of exercise. No shame necessary.
JC-Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:05:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not shaming, just giving advice. If you're doing the right things then ok.
eate3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I'd see women at Walmart like this, I'd marvel at them too. Their butts were taller and twice as wide as my body. I'd wonder how they aimed themselves at the toilet seat.
Cleaning those things must be hell. I bet most of them don't even bother D:
BootlegMickeyMouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mortified my grandmother by complimenting her jiggly arms when I was little.
1iota_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
#LOCKER ROOM TALK
Neil_Anblomi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was just locker room talk.
YukihiraLivesForever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No ass man can be bad
kleinePfoten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a kid I once told my mom she was as big as a blimp. Not impressed.
PartTimeModel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She was simply cultivating mass, and he knew it.
Tea_Lover_55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I almost snorted out my milk.
jahmen1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol , I love hearing the world from a new humans perspective, delightful,,
nearly_Zilpah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found a school book from when I have six the other day. We had to write five things we liked about ourselves, and number two was "I am heavy." Wish I still thought like this!
cjh93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, Becky, look at her butt.
marodelaluna ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully you're not going to teach him that being fat is a negative/bad thing and that body are just different...
Yajirobe404 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were taking your 4 year-old to a women's locker room?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you brought your son into the women's locker room? I'm not saying I think it's wrong, but I wonder what it felt like to the ladies in there.. especially the one being so honestly observed..
JoNightshade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They thought he was adorable. Most of the people there were elderly so he was the only kid around and he got treated like the beloved grandson for the entire summer. Even by the lady with the big butt.
Give me some credit, I have tact.
McPoyal ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
He's not the only one... I'm looking at you black people.
I understand beauty is fairly universally consistent, symmetry and all that jazz. You've probably noticed as well that different cultures still have sometimes subtle differences in preference. I've noticed black people tend to like women with fatter than usual asses as compared to people of other cultures I know.
[deleted] ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 16:53:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I giggled.
Bobbled_It ยท 177 points ยท Posted at 17:00:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Classic damage control. Moms know the best things to say
AstarteHilzarie ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:21:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because we have to deal with this shit every day.
I'm sure the moment was uncomfortable for the person being called huge, imagine how uncomfortable it is for the person responsible for that adorable bag of verbal diarrhea.
executive313 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:29:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom gave up trying by the time is was born. I remember calling some old bald guy at the store enormous because I had just learned the word. The guy looked at my mom and she just shrugged so the guy said I had bug eyes. I said thank you because bugs are awesome and he rolled away.
SelfImmolationsHell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:00:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, that's funny.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yer so bad...
[deleted] ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 17:07:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*YUUUGE
bridpath ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Took a friends kid (about 4 or 5 years old) to the concession stand at a baseball game. Standing in line he was looking at the woman behind us who was rather unattractive and a bit muscular. As soon as she said something to her friend he shouted, "OH THATS A LADY!?!".
We didn't stay in line much longer. Not sure if she cared, but damn it was awkward.
1N7B ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god I did this when I was a kid and it still sticks with me. I was in summer camp and we were all playing tree tag (touch a tree, you can't be tagged by who's "it"). I was on my tree and yelled to the other kids to watch out for the girl who was it because she was a "BIG, HUGE, WOMAN." I just meant she was bigger than us cause we were like 10 and she was 16. She stopped playing, made a b line for me and with tears in her eyes told me that that was the meanest thing anyone's ever said to her. Then she ran off. I was confused to say the least cause no one ever explained it to me - figured it out years later when reflecting on the memory
WhipWing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:23:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my brother was a wee kid him and dad were out for a walk, my brother started asking dad question about the smelly pirate in front of them.
It was just a guy with an eye-patch who apparently smelled. Dad was fucking mortified. Kids are fucking brutal and it's fucking magnificent.
Spastic_Slapstick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When I was 7 I was with my mom in a supermarket and there was an extremely obese woman that I saw, at which point I pointed at her and yelled "THAT'S THE FATTEST WOMAN I'VE EVER SEEN!"
EatAtGrizzlebees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the other day my SO and I were at a close friend's house. They have this old computer chair with armrests that are a little too close together. We are both overweight (and I have huge hips, always have, even before I was fat) and we were taking turns sitting in the chair to see how tight it was/how fat we were. We fit in the chair but it was one of those where your ass gets squeezed before it actually makes it into the chair. We play this game a lot because my hips are so huge, most public seating is a little tight on me (stadium seating, airline seats, etc.) Their almost 3 year old daughter starts giggling and saying, "EatAtGrizzlebees and SO are too big! Hahaha!" She got such a kick out of it. It was adorable and I love her.
Cob_cheese_man ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine is like 6'5". He has a 3 year daughter that wants to be tall like her daddy. According to her when she grows up she's going to be "really high!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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katiethered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more of a reindeer fan myself - I mean, it's seasonal and all.
SomeGuy147 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's adorable
TrueZangetsu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And in the shower later that night you realized you should have looked at the mom, winked and said "no she's right. I'm huge too."
katiethered ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:11:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a lady so I'm not sure that would have gone over so well, haha!
TrueZangetsu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then that is the response you imagine for the genderswap universe.
skurttengil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For you.
SummonTheDerp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huge is good as long as swole not fat
Vaeku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8-year-old niece came up to me while I was on my computer and told me she could see the bumps on my head.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was walking with my four year old into Barton Springs in Austin Texas and we passed a man walking with crutches, due to some degenerative disease and my son says loudly, "That man walks funny daddy"
I had no idea what to say, I quickly apologized and hurried my son away before explaining why saying that isn't nice.
Bob49459 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to have a ponytail and heard some kid said "Mommy, that girl has big feet!"
I looked at my size 13 boots and couldn't help but laugh.
IceTruckKillah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One time I was in a tiny convenience store with my kid and this elderly man with a walker goes down the aisle and my kid screams "THEY LET OLD PEOPLE IN HERE!!!"
Cricket_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister when she was 6 or so used to tell people that my mom's then boyfriend was "long." (He was really really tall and my mom is really really short). We will never let her live it down.
bitwise97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid, at 3, asked if the man with a big belly had a baby in there ...
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YUUUGE
Okhlahoma_Beat-Down ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a CIA Agent run up to me once and exclaim "YOU'RE A BIG GUY!" while a sheepish Dr. Pavel followed behind saying "NOTHING! I said nothing!"
HelixLamont ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was Donald Trump's son. He meant to say you are YUUUUUUGE!
Staktaz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No You're Hugh Mungus.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a 6'4" woman and had a great one in an amusement park once. "Mommy, boys are supposed to be that big, not girls!" I thought it was hilarious, mom was mortified.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFH
EatsPeanutButter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter, at age 4, hugged her friend's mom who is a larger lady, and lovingly told her, "You're nice and fat!" I was mortified, but the mom took it well. She said, "It's okay! I am fat!" Very friendly and positive and later my daughter and I discussed what is and isn't appropriate to say to people.
Nicbudd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he said "YUUUUGEE" he may have been a Bernie Sanders!
CupcakesAreTasty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter was about 22 months at the time, and had figured out all of her colors. She would point at an object and excitedly tell me what color it was.
We were standing in line at the grocery store, and suddenly she points behind me and yells, 'black, Mama! Look, black!"
I turn around and there's a black woman behind me.
I was mortified, and ready to apologize, until my daughter grabs my hair and pulls it while screaming, "black!"
She was talking about my hair.
The woman thought it was hilarious.
JumpingBean12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My six year old granddaughter would inform you that saying Huge! Is not proactive!
FireFox9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom told me that when I was little i ones whispered to her: "Mom that woman looks like a witch." My mom ignored me, embarrassed and hoping that woman hadn't heard what I had said. I thought my mom didn't hear me so I repeated it out loud. "MOM THAT WOMAN LOOKS LIKE A WITCH". The woman didn't look happy to hear that. Though luckely she didn't use any spells on me.
JaunxPatrol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend pointed something out recently: you can always say "she's gotten so big!" when talking about a baby or toddler. The same doesn't work as well for adults though.
"Did you see Jerry at the wedding? He's gotten so big!"
wtfduud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OneAttentionPlease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HOMUNGUS WHAT?
ChargedMedal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YUUUUGE
StrawberryR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god, that reminds me of this four year old in my register line at work a few days ago. We had just put our Halloween costumes out, and there was a big sign with Darth Vader on it for the star wars costumes, and this kid turns around and says/shouts, "Look at the black man, mommy!"
She and I were both mortified until I looked up and saw the Darth Vader. The mom was so embarrassed and immediately hushed him, saying, "We don't say that, his name is Darth Vader." It was so funny.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3 year old did that too! But in her defense, the guy was huge. He was a bodybuilder and he was tall.
ireter294 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hugh Mungus
msm2485 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at the mall with my niece once when a very obese man walked in front of us. She yelled, as loud as she possibly could I'm sure, "OH MY GOD, HE'S HUUUUGE!".
I didn't even have a sheepish reply, just tried to get the hell out of there.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. Are you sure? 5'8" is not really that tall.
katiethered ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I'm not thin by any stretch but I'm certainly not HUUUUGEEEEE either.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, serious answer made me feel about my snarky one! Sorry!
adderallanalyst ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:44:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So how fat are ya?
[deleted] ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 17:00:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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tyled ยท 350 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hahaha. Looks at that high waisted man, he's got feminine hips!"
FiloPilo_Ren ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 17:55:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Noooo, that's a thing I'm sensitive about!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐ญ
WayofalexGaming ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:40:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I see a group of teenagers walking down the street, I will cross to the other side.
NoncreativeScrub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Pokey ears!"
ProWaterboarder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Not to mention how weird he walks!"
trade4holographic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, you have a ton of zits."
zidanetribal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:26:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A few years back I went to the park to hang out with my niece. It's always a pleasure to see get as she comes running up to me for a hug. She did this when she saw me, but keep in mind it was a hot summer after noon and I had been sweating. She ran up to me for a hug and I picked her up. She said 'put me down, you smell funny'. I know she didn't mean it to be harmful, just blunt honesty, but damn, that hit a little bit.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:05:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids will cut you down to your core, expose your greatest weaknesses, and pour salt in your deepest emotional wounds....all while sipping on their Kool-Aid.
bearfoxmousemushroom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup
PMMEPICSOFSALAD ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:03:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently when I was a wee sprog I once called a woman "ugly gold fish".
Dog-boy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:11:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a Grade 5 student ask me once why I had a turkey gobbler under my chin. I concur with your opinion.
ImaginarySpider ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:15:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once heard a camper tell their counselor that they were afraid of the 300 pound camp director because he was afraid she would eat him.
Koeida ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:40:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But isn't it interesting that the kid doesn't think of it as being a bad thing, and instead likes Hilary for it? When do they learn to dislike people for irrelevant 'flaws'?
idma ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little kids should be president cause they are a real straight talker. Might as well, cause we have Trump. Who is a real straight talker, and had the emotions of a little kid
Victor_714 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maybe adults got incredibly soft
NinaLaPirat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:50:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In middle school once, my homeroom teacher was about 70 years old and had the chin wobble. My best friend and I cut out a gobbler from red paper and stuck it to her podium. She didn't notice it.
keight07 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cruel.
NinaLaPirat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, we were little cunts back then.
Cheeseand0nions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/childrenaremetal
lambseathams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, he said he liked it
beermeupscotty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little kids tell it like it is.
Cadillakakak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially savage because he was talking about Sanders.
The-False-Shepherd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kid brings up a good point though, do we really want someone with a wiggly turkey gobble thing being our next president?
Ktopotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's wrong but this made me laugh so hard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They just call it as it is
muse2twenty2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We
snackies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most savage thing about kids is that they don't know they're being savage when they are. They're just being totally honest with no malice.
bitwise97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he did mean it in a good way...
stoopid_dummy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They so much are and haven't an inkling that they are.
My teeth aren't exactly blinding white, but they don't look like corn nuts either. When my daughter was 3, she informed me that I looked like Austin Powers. That stung a bit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He will grow to be a simple and easily pleased man
aintTrollingYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my son was about four, he came running into the bathroom, pointing and laughing at me as I came out of the shower saying"Daddy your penis circus sized!" Found out later my wife had just explained to him what a circumcision was, but initially I thought I was being put down.
thisrockismyboone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you quote like half the original comment
ThisGirlsTopsBlooby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't resist those lucky neck meats
Ic3w0lf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No filter
butsicle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy Cow!
--TheLady0fTheLake-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once was swimming with my best friend, and her 4 yo cousin (girl). We were 12, and my boobs hadn't developed all the way yet, and my friend was a little heavier so she didn't have that problem. I was holding her cousin in the shallow end and she pats one of boobs and goes "Small." And then starts laughing. =/
whitecompass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump has a bigger turkey gobble.
Stumblin_McBumblin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would love a debate where the candidates had to answer unprompted questions from little kids.
orngckn42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, apparently when I was little (in 1985), the first time I saw an African American male I asked my mom, "what's wrong with his face?"
Basdad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet you can see Hilary viewing this in private, going to a mirror to check, and getting into a plastic surgeon. Trump toned down his carrot top and spray tan for the last debate.
wanderlustlost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! How is that savage?! He said he liked it!
clickfive4321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DT gonna misquote this later on
WiBorg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey! Look at that high waisted man. He got feminine hips..."
mka3421 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a backhand compliment
solsangraal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:55:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you have to admit, she is rather homely
though "dashing" wouldn't occur in a list of words to describe trump either
Usmieszek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are we sure this wasn't trump who said that?
TriscuitCracker ยท 978 points ยท Posted at 16:24:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn it now I won't be able to stop snickering during the third debate over "turkey gobble", Thank you for this.
Grimsterr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lotta scuttlebutt saying Trump will no show. Definitely would be epic if he did no-show it.
rolabond ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he said he already was 'done' with the debates because they are rigged. Am I misremembering?
Beyondintodarkness ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:44:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, are we finally getting a presidential debate?! That will be so nice! I was worried that all we were going to get was these shouting matches between two old white people both shouting at the sky about how great things were 50 years ago and how all these kids these days suck.
prozacgod ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:21:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean kids these days do... haha gotcha!
But seriosuly how is this still a talking point 1000's of generations into the existence of humanity. The "Kids these days" argument totally worn out. When will we accept that every generation has a different set of inputs from society and reacts the same way, generally, as "you" would given the same input.
Grimsterr ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:18:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks to Trump's shenanigans Hillary isn't even trying to campaign or put forth any of her plans as President, she's basically just laughing, shrugging her shoulders and pointing at him "I'm not that guy, vote for me" and it's working.
Listened to Trump's "rally" or whatever this week, he laid out not ONE single PLAN not even close, it's, frankly, becoming an insult how neither candidate says "I will fix BLAH by doing <THIS>" just a litany of "I will fix blah" and often it's shit that ain't exactly all that broke.
raspberry_man ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:28:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i don't know why people say this. hillary has a lot of detailed policy plans readily available if you bother to read them
i think you guys expect them to be beamed into your brains or something
SirRogers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:55:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See what I mean? Its like she isn't every trying to get us that brain beam she promised.
nebbyb ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:31:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are super detailed policy plans at HRC's website. Like them or not, she is a policy wonk and has been thinking about what she would do as President for a long time. Going detailed in debates is usually a bad idea. Doubly so if the person next to you makes an ass out of themselves every time they open their mouths.
FuckTheNarrative ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but many see the election as more important than mere policy. And the government is broken
nebbyb ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:32:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm game. What do you think, specifically, Trump will do to unbreak government?
Don't give me end states or attributes, what actions will he take?
FuckTheNarrative ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:02:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worst case scenario, he forces democrats to evolve. It would be a lesson to politicians that we actually care about corruption.
Best case, he curbs all the lobbying that only benefits the rich.
nebbyb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:13:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has he pledged to eliminate lobbying? I have not heard that.
FuckTheNarrative ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of his main talking points is that he can't be bought. 99.9% of his campaign funding comes from ordinary citizens buying his hats, donating via texts etc.. Clinton's campaign funding mostly comes from 250,000 dollar wall street speeches.
Numbers don't lie. He also talks shit about lobbyists all the time. In one of his primary debates he was getting booed for calling Jeb(((!))) Bush out for being bought by special interests and he called the audience out too. "oh yeah they don't like me, those are all the lobbyists and special interests in the audience" it's why ordinary people love Trump, he's on our side even though he's rich enough to buy his own politicians and get what he wants without putting himself and his family at risk.
Let me see if I can find the clip...found it https://youtu.be/TG6_5m8RIIg
nebbyb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont see a single action named. What does he say he is specifically going to do?
rox0r ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:38:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Evolve how? Explain the specifics of this.
How exactly is he going to do that? I really want to understand the mechanism here.
raspberry_man ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:29:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure both of those people aren't doing that
the automatic false equivalency shit everyone resorts to is bizarre
SoupOfTomato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's absolutely not what both sides have been doing, but ok.
kbuis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's being moderated by Fox News. You're going to be disappointed again.
Anovan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ there's a third one? How much more do we have to suffer through?
SirRogers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Four total
The_Original_Gronkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't be able to take my eyes off it.
CaptainJAmazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And probably for the next 4-8 years as well.
4rch1t3ct ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I second this.
Okhlahoma_Beat-Down ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:17:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If she ends up faking a seizure or something, mute your TV and do an impression of a turkey.
GhostOfGamersPast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"faking". That clip from the speech to being chucked in the van didn't look faked to me...
Okhlahoma_Beat-Down ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:47:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point.
I figure she'll try using a fake seizure as a way out of tough questions, but then it'll become real.
calamaririot ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:18:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a second grader tell me that she has "more chins than Chinatown." I laughed, but then asked him if it's okay to vote for our president based on the nominees looks. He said, "well if we did then we shouldn't vote for trump because he looks like orange juice after a bad day at the beach".
I asked him if he has a serious answer, and he's still thinking about it. I expect a full stand up performance on Monday.
drumdeity ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:50:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing roast 10/10
Jammersy ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
"Now now little Johnny, that is called a gizzard."
Edit - "wattle."
The more you know...
beka13 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:49:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wattle. A gizzard is an internal organ. Both words are fun to say.
Faustias ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow... that gave reason why Mabel named her piglet Wattle.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or just because it's a flower.
shrimpcreole ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heheheheh. My dad gets all wound up because Clinton wears "Chairman Mao coats". He doesn't understand the crepe-neck thing that often happens as women age and the fashions designed to cover it. High necks, scarves, or multi-strand necklaces. It's tough getting old.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's right though. Hitler had hair and so did Stalin. There's definitely something to it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit damn.
solusaum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom just told me that a lot of Mexican people have been calling him Trompas which is an animal's mouth and can be translated as trunk.
radio_soldier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TURKEY GOBBLE
half_integer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't help hearing the last one in Ralph Wiggum's voice.
jroddie4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am also a fan of the turkey jiggle
Wowdudebummer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since I was a kid I always called double chins turkey gobbles. I get this kid.
treasurepig ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trunk sounds adorable! Donald Trump does not.
jo-z ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you might enjoy Sesame Street's Ronald Grump.
Macievelli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NeverTrunk
godlyatleague ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahaha
Roll9ers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good kids
NakedAndBehindYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is way better than Drumpf.
theangelofdeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LMAO WTF
Deadeye117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, Donald Trunk, who came from the future to save us from the Androids.
pomod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In read the boys comment in Ralph Wiggins voice
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Misread that as touch. Was concerned.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that's savage.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omg. I'm not a fan of either, but I laughed my ass off at "turtle gobble". Thank you for that.
king-schultz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son's in 1st grade & two of his classmates said Hillary is "the devil", and "she's going to let all the bad guys and robbers in."
fuckitx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god i love this. Teachers must live for moments like those :)
The_Leedle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think she would love Mitch McConnel then
TheFuckNameYouWant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is Donald Trunk friends with Bronco Bama?
JackHarrison1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From this point forward I'm calling him Donald Trunk, that's fantastic!
Infobomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That girl is more perceptive than nearly half of US citizens (and about half of Conservative Party members here in the UK).
practicat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid is 4. He also calls Trump 'Donald Trunk.' He recently saw a YouTube video of Donald Trump saying China for 3 minutes straight. Now he randomly walks around saying 'Donald Trunk China, China, China, China, China, China... hahahahah.'
dchap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She can't even pronounce his name, but even she can tell he's a big liar.
FlynnLevy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been dying laughing for the past ten minutes, holy Hell that's funny.
zikamatej ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Savage af
rsn1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Up-and-comers of /r/roastme
Garona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The snorting giggle of shocked amusement that came out of me when I read about the turkey gobble caused my wife to make fun of me for like 5 minutes straight. She's still going on about it as I type this. I hope you're happy.
VickiiPearls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mentally delayed uncle says Donald 'Trunk' too. And Hilary 'Clitton.'.
etherpromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to know some kids can see his bullshit
positmylife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pre-K seems to be a gold mine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump will be quoting this little boy during the debate.
G0ldengoose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:53:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't need to make up stories to support Clinton, especially pre school imaginary kids. That's just low
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 16:32:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 16:42:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations, you've now argued with a pre-school girl. Something about this just seems oddly appropriate for your demographic.
Velkyn01 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:49:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how it seems people are physically incapable of just hearing something political without injecting their opinion.
Jakeola1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/
Kolima25 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
triggered?
willbabysit4ketamine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Triggered?
Psych0Fir3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's their opinion
methshin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:51:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That little girl sounds informed, I mean, she even almost got his name right. /s
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:57:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever their parents have said. They just ape it back.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, no, if they dislike Clinton they're just repeating it and their parents are bad people for shoving their political views on their children.
Criticizing Trump is adorable truth out of the mouths of babes.
Sort of like all those "Six year old shuts down hate preacher!" videos.
BAMspek ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I'm voting for her
byecyclehelmet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:19:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what media-borne manipulation and smearing campaigns get you.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:21:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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byecyclehelmet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A little child who has nothing to do with politics has influenced opinions and biases about something she doesn't even fully understand. That's what happens when people smear each other and manipulate each other for their own, personal, yet short-term, gain.
You can't vote for not-Trump. You can vote for Hillary, or you can vote for Trump. Correct politics is to promote oneself by own merit and reason, not shady comparison and, again, smearing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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byecyclehelmet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but it shouldn't be so. I don't even like the political system in theory, but nobody's even doing THAT correctly.
WildTurkey81 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like how the first one is obviously repeating what a parent said but the second is a legitimate criticism from the child.
GosymmetryrtemmysoG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:06:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ha, she doesn't know how to pronounce Drumpf yet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:10:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed so loud I scared my cat.
Thanks Obama.
nogueyjose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remind that kid that it's the fucking democrats who are always promising free shit to win votes!! Tell her right now.
Your_are ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:30:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell her to read the dnc leaks and she'll reconsider who the liar is. Trump is just an asshole. Hillary is the liar
The1DragonSlayer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, she'll get older and learn about all the atrocities Hillary and her husband committed over the past few decades
Bigtits_littledick ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be her Adam's apple wiggling.
alwayslurkeduntilnow ยท 952 points ยท Posted at 15:15:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school in the UK here, the main question seems to be why are they voting for two people nobody really seems to like or trust.
bondfan98 ยท 1454 points ยท Posted at 15:32:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same reason the UK voted to leave the EU and why you have your current PM
bubscuf ยท 316 points ยท Posted at 17:28:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In defence of British politics we didn't vote for our curr- wait a second, that doesn't make it better
TetrisandRubiks ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:34:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We kinda did. We only vote for the party we want in power. The party leader then becomes prime minister. So technically they could just switch leader immediately after the election although that would never happen because of the political implications of it.
PallBear ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:18:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(US here) We do the opposite. We have primaries and party conventions to select party candidates, then each party's candidate is on the national ballot. It gets more complicated at the state level, though, where some states leave third party candidates off the ballot, or have caucuses instead of elections to determine their convention delegates.
WraithSama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:28:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... technically the opposite, yeah. Though a lot of people really don't care who is on the ballot (this election is really proving the point, I think), they're just voting for the party they want in power too.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't we all sit down and have a drink and watch the inferno blazing from our capitols?
bubscuf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good plan. Meet me in the Azores with beer?
bondfan98 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:41:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We at least have a choice, but the choice is essentially Brexit or Theresa May, either way it's a bad choice.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:12:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't you get both?
bondfan98 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I am not from the UK, I am in the US, I am saying our current 2 choices are basically like those 2 choices, not very good.
cuddlefishcat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about more current polls, but Theresa May has had a much higher favourability rating than Corbyn, as well as Trump and Clinton. I don't think most British people view her as a bad choice.
Canazza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Scot, we're looking West and South with butts so clenched we couldn't pass Haggis if we wanted to.
rabbit-stew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're full of shit. She's an unforgivably callous, selfish cunt
cuddlefishcat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:18:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here is just one poll that illustrates what I said.
bondfan98 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So is Trump, yet people are still voting for him.
Bad_Vaio ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is the least shit option. Corbyn is like a ship without a rudder, a captain and a ship and the liberal guy Tim Farron would lose in a 'who the fuck are you ?' competition.
She is still a vile worthless semi human being.
Wookiemom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's not like you guys need to like any politicians ever, because every generation there's a bunch of adorable little royals popping out. With luck, some of them remain likable even up to adulthood.
octodrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hey, down in Australia we haven't voted for a prime minister in what feels like decades, i sympathise with you.
AbhorEnglishTeachers ยท 334 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
retards?
bondfan98 ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 15:44:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much.
Notanovaltyaccount ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:40:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politics.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:54:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People not voting?
kaenneth ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:53:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart people know their vote is meaningless, so dumb people carry the election.
Penguinfire ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:29:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They can't be that smart if they think "well, I'm just one vote"
NotReaday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yee
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything from "The EU is overly bureaucratic and treats its member states poorly" to "Bloody foreigners stealing our jobs and claiming benefits!".
rageling ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish it were as innocent as a lack of education.
The answer looks a lot more like corruption, government controlled by a secret establishment focused on profiting from energy and war.
by_whom ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:04:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
PoliticalDissidents ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mind you you don't get Donald Trump supporters without a lack of intelligence...
xilef_destroy ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:49:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same for Hillary. So many scandals, just vote Ken Bone already
hwarming ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Name 5, if you say Benghazi I'm gonna laugh at you.
boogiemanspud ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of... power hungry retards who control every aspect of the media and election process.
Itaywpyurucic ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:30:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well its not the same reason at all, is it. For one most people wanted to Leave. It wasn't like they were forced to vote Leave because they didn't like the other candidate, which is the case in the US now, because it was a referendum.
Same case with Theresa May, the majority of the public view her with net positive favourability, whereas the consensus across the US and the UK as your parent comment said is that both candidates are pretty terrible. Easily the worst choice of presidential candidates in the past few decades.
veganzombeh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not different. People have had to vote for both Trump and Hillary for them to get this far. It's not like there were no other options.
ziplocka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yep this guy is right. The answer we are looking for is that the general public in the uk are self serving cunts. Scotland aside, theyre still cool with me.
WhateverJoel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So no one votes in off year elections in the UK either?
That's the major problem in the US.
ShropshireLass ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:29:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We don't really have off year elections, all the MPs are elected in a general election every 5 years. The only exception is if the current MP leaves (resigns, fired or dies) there will be a by-election in their constituency to elect their replacement. The leader of the party with the most MPs becomes Prime Minister. The leader of the party is selected by the party, not the public.
We do have local elections in off years and they generally have a pretty low turnout.
Adamsoski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Although, unlike in the US, local elections in the UK are really not very important. We don't elect judges or anything.
alph4rius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FPtP voting?
JarJarBinks590 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, nobody else wanted the job, so I say we can't complain about our current PM if there's nobody better to do it.
I was heavily pro Remain and I don't like it anymore than you do.
niknak_paddywhack ยท 644 points ยท Posted at 15:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow UK high school here, they're seriously perplexed as to why Bernie Sanders isn't in the running.
Also, on a recent trip to our capital city, we happened to meet some American tourists and before I could stop them, literally 30 12 year olds swarmed round them and begged them 'PLEASE don't vote for Trump! We're scared!'
patsmad ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:35:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of funny but I am American but working in the UK. A bunch of people could not understand how bernie was even qualified to be president and just perplexed that either him or trump could have gotten the nomination. They put them on the same level. Which I was surprised by.
We are late twenties though. And I did find a few people lamenting the fact that now that a dem victory is all but certain that a "real progressive" wasn't the nominee.
lilituba ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 17:27:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did they miss the fact that Sanders actually has a political career?
geopotsie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A very long one during which he has accomplished nothing of note.
Edit: I seem to have rustled some jimmies. Look guys, I love Bernie. He's a true champion of the people. But he doesn't have a single noteworthy legislative accomplishment to his name, and that says a lot about his ability to effectively govern.
astronautdinosaur ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:27:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you say so...
lilituba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe that's true. He's pretty outspoken and that perception might come from the fact that he stands for a lot of things that the senate majority is against. I think that the fact that he holds strong and doesn't fold to the majority is more telling than anything.
alph4rius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:52:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He also went into the election with the express plan of pulling the overton window to the Left, and succeeded in that*.
*Whether or not he went for top place when he saw a shot is another issue.
welsh_dragon_roar ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 16:47:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The political spectrum in the US is much more right-wing though; so while Bernie looks reasonable to us, he's a dyed-in-the-wool commie to some Americans, Hillary is equivalent to a Tory, but still centre-left to the US and Trump is a US conservative but equivalent to Farage here!!
nerevisigoth ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 19:46:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump isn't a normal conservative by US standards either. That's why this election is so bizarre. Usually our Republicans are more like Thatcher than Farage.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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nermid ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of us seem pretty sketchy on what a Communist is, of course.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:18:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Richy_T ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Likewise for American liberals and "Nazi"
alawa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:01:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the difference liberals don't literally think conservatives are nazis, like we don't think Trump actually wants commit genocide or anything, it's just a buzzword that I admit is overused. But it does have merit in that white nationalists seem very drawn to Trump. You won't see any socialists or communists touch Obama or Clinton with a 10 foot pole. Many conservatives on the other hand literally believe that Obama is a communist/socialist. Hillary is too wrapped up in scandals which are a much easier target than communist accusations so she isn't seeing much of that.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, it's out there. The problem is, we tend to meet and befriend people who have similar views and temperaments to our own. You (assuming you're liberal) don't hang around with many/any people who would call the right wing Nazis and I (living in a red state) know many people of the conservative persuasion who don't call left-wingers communists. There are groups on both sides who sincerely believe these things, however and you don't have to look too far to find them.
It's important to remember that there are a huge majority of people out there who aren't foaming-at-the-mouth politicos and just want what's best and just have differing views about how to do it. The politicians and the media just like to play up the hatred cause it's good for votes and viewing figures (though less and less so)
alawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:45 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Given the amount of support Trump gets from White Nationalists it isn't unreasonable to use a Nazi analogy. If Hillary and Obama were endorsed by communist organizations I would say the same, but that isn't the case.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:25 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not really. As much as you would like it, logic doesn't work that way.
alawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:34 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:55 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are defined by their policies and beliefs, not by groups that they have no control over that choose to support them.
alawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:17 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And why do you think so many white nationalists choose to support Trump? My guess would be he says things that appeal to white nationalists, hence the Hitler analogies.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:59 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I know you would like to believe that but it's a stretch too far for me. I'll agree that he has some policies that are more in line with what they'd like than Clinton's are but from there to "Trump is literally Hitler"? I'll have to agree to disagree.
alawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:52 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi. I'm saying it's a much more apt comparison than calling Obama or Hillary a communist
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:38 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I can kinda go with that. But mostly because calling either of them a communist is way out of bounds. Particularly Hillary who is nothing if not a friend of Wall Street.
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling Trump a fascist isn't that much of a reach though, and there are parallels between Trump and Hitler that are valid
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no fan of trump but I think it's more of a reach than you do. And parallels between politician X and Hitler have been brought up for politicians on both sides of the aisle as long as I can remember (and that's a long time) but I have yet to see one commit genocide against the Jews (or any other peoples come to that) so dialing back the hysteria is probably in order.
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://warisboring.com/yes-trump-is-a-fascist-heres-the-checklist-1920ad4d8163#.bt3baky35 Here's a good article about that. Yeah he's not after the Jews, he's after the Muslims and Mexicans. His whole campaign has been ran on him saying that he wants Mexicans and Muslims out of this country, and we should put a ban on Muslims altogether, or marking them so the public can identify them. He's talked about killing innocent families of Muslim people. Not even getting into his blatant sexism and groping/rape charges.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, I could call out the flat-out lies in what you just wrote but I suspect you already know them well enough.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an older cousin who had my respect until Obama was elected. He's been spiraling ever since. Just the other day, he told me that if Hillary was on stage with Hitler, Pol Pot and Cthulhu, she still wouldn't be the lesser evil. I said he was pushing it, and he informed me that "all of them are socialists." Yes, even Cthulhu. He clarified it for me when I laughed at him. And then his younger brother told me that the election is rigged anyway, so... that entire branch of my family can piss off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Bernie is Jeremy Corbyn, Hillary Clinton is Ed Miliband
ziplocka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very unfair on Ed. Corbyn has essentially just adopted the 2015 manifesto, it is just people are now more willing to listen to it with him there and not just assume it is smoke and mirrors by Blair associates. Ed really had it nailed at the last election policy wise imo, the country would certainly be in a far superior state at the minute had he won, Ed's issues were ones of image certainly not decency, integrity, policy, or ideology. In fact the plethora of articles you see coming out that quiz middle England Tories on preferred policy before jumping out with a Corbyn mask to try and prove some sort of point are basically just Milliband's manifesto (eg. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-media-policies-labour_uk_57fe651be4b0010a7f3da76b)
Hillary is more soft Tory and 'liberal' across the board like Cameron was.
There is very little 'traditional political debate' in America, neo-liberal economics remain largely unquestioned, small state remains the idolised goal, social problems remain a product of the individual, protecting and furthering patriotism and the military remain the primary function of the government etc etc. Granted there is a debate over these things within small sections of the population, but there is cross party consensus at the top. A consensus that in Europe is consistently in line with our far/centre right options.
American Elections are fought on socially liberal issues cemented in a religious hangover.
nullstring ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is not further right than most Republicans. You need to look at his positions more specifically if you think that.
alawa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:08:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he is because he takes stance on many issues like immigration, global warming, and police brutality that other Republicans shy away from.
nullstring ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:18:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most Republicans share those stances although they might be a bit less loud about it.
But if you look at other issues like gay marriage, abortion, or other social issues trump is far closer to the center.
alawa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's why I made the point about Trumps rhetoric being different. He doesn't have the same Christian message backing his words the way republicans have for the past few decades.
KitchenSwillForPigs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He isn't very forthcoming on any particular stances, other than his rants about immigration. He changes his positions so frequently, who knows what that fucker actually believes.
rkiga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:56:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As an American who spends more time reading about UK politics (except this past month), you're kind of distorting things. Yes US politics is right of the UK. But Trump is not a normal conservative and he's unlike any major party US presidential candidate in recent decades.
And to be fair, it's pretty easy to find examples in UK politics for "racist party" candidates getting votes or winning their elections.
First past the post isn't great, and pretty much everyone agrees that the US electoral college is terrible. But the main problem in the US (as in many political systems) is that people just don't vote in primaries or don't vote at all. With these voting numbers it's not surprising that once in a while we get terrible candidates:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/01/us/elections/nine-percent-of-america-selected-trump-and-clinton.html
alexmlamb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't why Sanders lost though. For whatever reason, he did really badly with blacks in the democratic primary.
Apkoha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he should of let them all know he carried hot sauce in his purse.
17Hongo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Farage actually appeared at a Trump rally.
Where the fuck is a tornado when you want one?
TribeFan11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump isn't even close to representative of mainstream conservatives in the U.S., he's the equivalent of garage on our side of the pond too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In no world is Hillary equivalent to a Tory. She's as left as Obama is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie has also been in politics longer than most voters have been alive and doesn't really have anything to show for it. He was great at changing the national conversation, he is terrible at actually doing things.
DoktorSoviet ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:57:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's a few reasons, but the biggest is that socialism is not nearly as ubiquitous here in America. Almost a century of anti-left propaganda has scarred this country's political atmosphere, all in the name of "fighting the evil Commie Russians".
The second reason is that, while Bernie was more popular than any of the major candidates by the time the conventions rolled around, his popularity was mostly with independents and not with democrats. The key to understanding why he lost is to understand the base of the two parties. Some of the largest democratic voting blocs are not young, white, college students liberals but an aging population that is heavily involved in religion. For example, demographics show that black people overwhelmingly vote democrat every election cycle. This does not mean they are liberal. The problem is that the media has conflated the party with an ideology, when the reality is more complex. Democrats are not inherently more Liberal than Republicans, even if the party platform is. They just have a different perspective and a stronger emphasis on certain topics. A large portion of the black population is actually Evangelical, similar to a lot of the white Republican voters. However, they put less importance on social issues like abortion and more on things like discrimination or poverty reduction. The same can be said for Hispanics in the party, who tend to be Catholic and often pretty devout to the church.
Of course, that is a generalization. Not all black democrats are Evangelicals, not all Hispanic democrats are devout Catholics, and not all white democrats are college-aged liberals. A greater disparity comes in age, with older democrats leaning towards conservatism while the younger population leans towards liberalism, progressivism, and socialism. The democratic party is, in theory, a coalition of these viewpoints, but since the older population tends to vote more, the party is more representative of their ideologies.
With all that said, the actual, registered democratic base thought Sanders was too far left. Even if more people liked him on a national level, this was not a national election, but a party election. Only party members could vote to select the party's candidate (although some states did allow independents or even republicans to vote so long as they declared for the democrats beforehand). Thus, the more conservative leaning elements won out, and we got Clinton.
I make it sound irrational, and I want to stress that I really don't see it that way. Back in the primaries, I knew many Clinton supporters, and they all generally had a fair line of reasoning. Most of them just disagreed on Sanders' policy and rhetoric, particularly his attacks of "Wall Street" (which even as a Sanders supporter were admittedly vague, unhinged, and bordering on the kind of attacks Trump uses against the media, minority groups, and politicians) and his "eat the rich" mentality.
Psudodragon ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:20:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The major parties have votes for who will be their candidate. Bernie ran to be the Democratic candidate and lost
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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BeautifulDuwang ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:15:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any proof?
PoliticalDissidents ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:30:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well there's proof the DNC conspired against him. That's not the same as being rigged bit it's definitely influence to sway the results.
But really he didn't win because American politics sway quite a lot to the right.
Pyroteknik ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:44:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The organization running the contest is conspiring against one candidate, but there's no proof the contest is rigged?
PoliticalDissidents ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Conspiring against a candidate to give one the upper hand by swaying the minds of the voters is different than flat out electoral fraud. Neither are good but neither are the same.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:05:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No because more people voted for Hillary. You lily white candidate couldn't attract minorities. Deal with it.
Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP is running for president?
Slacker5001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid question but what makes you say American polities sway to the right? I'm not disagreeing, just confused on where that idea/information comes from.
And if it is true, why in the world do Democrats even stand a chance if the most of American's are leaning to the right.
PoliticalDissidents ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because Democrats aren't left wing. They're centrists, that's a byproduct of the US leaning right. That's the same reason Hilary won the primaries and not Bernie, because the Democratic Party is not a left wing party.
I say this from my perspective as a Canadian. But when you look at the US vs western politics and to some extent globally the US is clearly relatively very right winged. The GOP has gone so right winged that when you look at the positions of conservatives in other countries be it Canada, the UK, Europe by American standards much of the people who identify as conservative here in contrast to US politics look almost liberal by American standards.
Like in the US there's a lot of the public that refer to Bernie Sanders as "far far left" but he's not, he's by definition center-left. I live in a country where a large chunk of Republicans are convinced that Canada is a socialist country some go so far as to call a single payer healthcare system communism. Meanwhile in Canada we have more economic freedom than the US...
What Americans call a moderate the rest of the western world calls a conservative. Just the US having so insanely high costs of higher education and the absence of socialized medicine shows how far to the right the US leans. There's this whole survival of the fittest mentality on the US, you're left on your own to fend for your self. American's the only western country that doesn't have universal healthcare and that doesn't have mandatory by law minimum vacation times, etc.
Not to mention American has the bible belt. Now sure not all of the US is right winged, as you can see it is very present by the popularity Bernie gained within certain circles. But clearly much of the population is right winged enough to sway mainstream politics to the center-right.
Slacker5001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:42:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god your right... I'd never even thought about it. I mean I'm am and always have been an American so I didn't even realize that other countries were all that different (on more than a surface level at least). Thanks for taking the time to write that out and even provide some sources. I've had my mind blown a little today.
LilSweden ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire system leans. The left/center/right in america are further right than the respective leans in other countries.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't "conspire" against him, they simply didn't want someone who was not a member of their party to become their party's nominee for president. When Bernie decided to be a democrat in all but name so he could avoid paying into the party fund, he didn't make many friends. He made a selfish decision and he paid for it.
Teuthex ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:25:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks showed that the DNC conspired to elect Hillary. Bernie delegates were threatened with loss of funding, Donna Brazile leaked debate questions to the Hillary camp, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was essentially fired from being the DNC head and hired as Hillary's campaign manager... She's now facing a class action lawsuit for rigging the primaries.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:21:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there was some sketchy shit going on during the primaries in a few states but none of it was really partisan just horseshit incompetence.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:29:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The DNC conspiring against him has been public information for some time now thanks to WikiLeaks.
melonowl ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Clinton's policies being more in line with the majority of Democratic primary voters.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The young white men on reddit will never accept this.
h_keller3 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:15:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol some things never do change. Especially the ignorance of Bernie or busters
skullminerssneakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, he was screwed.
ikorolou ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:41:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie Sanders is not in the running because he won neither the correct number of delegates, nor the popular vote. The internet shit its pants for Bernie, and if you only interact with Americans on the internet then it probably seemed like he was a lot more popular. But he wasn't, more Democrats in America liked Hilary than Bernie.
Wolfntee ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:40:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. overall is generally more conservative than the American user base of reddit. I could totally see how outsiders could get the wrong idea about his popularity because of the general bias of the userbase.
teslaabr ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:01:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if you spent time in /r/politics during the primaries it was basically treating Hillary how it is now treating Trump and treating Bernie how it is now treating Hillary (i.e. the sub was just a giant Bernie fan club). Anything pro-Hillary was down voted to hell and anything pro-Bernie was straight to the front page.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. The US user base of reddit tends to skew slightly towards soft racism and misogyny. So while they might be more prone to smoking pot and fiscal liberalism they don't really care about a lot of the things Hillary wants to do for women and minorities.
ikorolou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:46:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean reddit is majority younger people, who tend to be a lot more liberal anyway. Plus reddit is a huge online platform, where it's encouraged to fact check people as you argue and as we all know reality tends to have a liberal bias.
Magister_Ingenia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie Sanders is not in the runing because the DNC wanted Hillary and did everything in their power to make sure Hillary won the nomination.
ikorolou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alright I mean go back and look at the numbers from the primary, both the results and the polls, Hilary wins a lot
negbreg ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:20:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason why Bernie Sanders isn't successful is sort of the same reason why Jeremy Corbyn isn't successful -- old, weak, "too nice", and with a minority of supporters that are young, powerless, and poor.
Slacker5001 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This hurt me a little on the inside mostly because I realized that your right, I'm young, powerless, and poor. It just reminds me that our system in a sense is broken in that my actual vote really doesn't mean all that much and that there are a ton of other issues that skew things because of the two party system.
I'll still vote regardless because not voting somehow feels worse. But as I continue to become an adult, it's just painful to see how our actual system works at times.
ebonycurtains ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:47:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jeremy Corbyn has been very successful so far in getting elected twice as head of the Labour party.
Hwatwasthat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True but being voted in within the party and being effective in the larger community are two different things. I can see how the party majority ended up turning his way (even if the party grandees aren't so hot on him) but they hardly reflect the countries opinions, especially with the recent electoral history.
WilliamofYellow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That means nothing. Ed Miliband was Labour leader and no one likes him.
Tonedeafmusical ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because being elected twice in a year is such a good sign for leadership/s
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure you could accuse Corbyn of being too nice any more considering he's basically alienated most of his party with stubbornness and allegedly being very difficult to work with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He made no effort to really connect with any demographic as well.
WhateverJoel ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Sanders ran a shitty campaign at the ground roots level.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:30:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering what he had to work with and who he was running against, he ran an amazing campaign and did far better than most expected.
WhateverJoel ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it could have been better. Someone here on Reddit talked about their experience working for a Sanders office and how poorly it was run. From what I basically remember it was a lot of younger people just being lazy and angry.
nerevisigoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I volunteered with the SF for Hillary campaign during the primary and it was run pretty poorly too. Some regions may have been better.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:47:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The truth is, it's all a false dichotomy. The money that runs our country doesn't care who we elect. Because it doesn't matter. They still run it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is ignorant bullshit. If you really think all candidates are the same you should look harder.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because the money that runs this country would bet their chances on random candidates. It doesn't fucking matter. You want to get all on your high horse about voting? Taking the time off to do so is economically pointless for most poor people in this country. The candidate that is elected affects their bottom line less than taking the time off.
You still think your vote matters? Enjoy your fucking bubble. And you call me ignorant.
GothWitchOfBrooklyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:55:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. It's complex but when it comes down to it, money runs this country.
0Catalyst ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:53:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tell them that less people like him than Clinton, so he got fewer votes.
PoliticalDissidents ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:31:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually far more people like him than Clinton. Just that Democratic voters liked Hilary more.
Also I'd suspect the reason Brits don't understand why Bernie isn't still running is because they can't wrap their head around the concept of a two party system.
redminx17 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:11:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Brit here. That's .... that's a joke right? I can't tell the tone of the comment, but if it's not a joke then you are dead wrong. Our political system has been two-party for much of its existence and it's only very recently that third parties have begun to make any real headway in Westminster. In practice it's pretty much still a two-party system and that's only just beginning to change now with the last couple of election cycles & the EU ref. The idea that Brits 'can't wrap their heads around' a two-party system is laughable.
Polymemnetic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Other parties win seats in your elections, though, don't they? In the states, it's literally 2 or 3 independent candidates that hold congressional or senatorial seats. And those ones are usually well liked former Republicans or Democrats that left the party because they disagreed somehow with their party.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually not to enough of a degree to make any difference.
PoliticalDissidents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not being literal I'm not joking either, just making an over statement.
Mind you Britain is not a two party system, as far as I'm aware never has been. Yes there are two main parties but the ones on the sidelines are always on the side lines. In the US though there isn't even a single seat held by a third party, the last time a single member of the electoral college was elected that wasn't bound to vote for a Republican or Democrat was what around the 1950s?
What I mean is in most countries even if two parties dominate the 3rd, 4th, etc. candidates still run come election time. The population still recognizes them as a valid choice come the election. In the US everyone just accepts that no one else could win bite out toes we're stuck with only 2 options voting for anyone else is pointless.
This is why Bernie doesn't just run independent and the race continues. Instead he gives up and endorses Hilary.
MarvellousGinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Britain was pretty much a two group system for two centuries (Whigs/Tories then Liberals/Conservatives) Though tbf party politics only really came about in the the latter two groups stages. Labour starts rising very very late 19th century but they don't win much for a while.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually it's still considered a two party system as long as only two parties have a realistic chance of governing. It could be that the UK is transitioning from two party to multi party though.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just something disaffected Americans say so they can shit on their own country.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Brits would be confused at a two party system, it's very simple and our country isn't much different in that respect, the same two parties have been winning for decades.
regionalphilbin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:32:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, the word you are looking for is fewer. Not sure how you nailed it the second time, but couldn't get it right on the first.
Secondly, while you are ultimately right, there is indisputable evidence of a DFL conspiracy, with the media, and campaign assistance.
h_keller3 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:14:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see your "indisputable evidence" of that conspriracy
sydneyzane64 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The head of the DNC even stepped down over it.
(Edit: punctuation)
h_keller3 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:32:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh....not exactly, no. You should read up on how it actually went down.
sydneyzane64 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:33:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Democrats arrived at their nominating convention on Sunday under a cloud of discord as Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, abruptly said she was resigning after a trove of leaked emails showed party officials conspiring to sabotage the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont." - New York Times
sydneyzane64 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:35:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The DNC itself even issued an apology....
Democratic National Committee issued an apology to Sanders moments after the convention opened, likely hoping to help soothe tensions heading into the week. "On behalf of everyone at the DNC, we want to offer a deep and sincere apology to Sen. Sanders, his supporters, and the entire Democratic Party for the inexcusable remarks made over email," the statement said. "These comments do not reflect the values of the DNC or our steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process. The DNC does not -- and will not -- tolerate disrespectful language exhibited toward our candidates. Individual staffers have also rightfully apologized for their comments, and the DNC is taking appropriate action to ensure it never happens again." - CNN
(Edit: Source Edit #2: I'd like to consider myself a fairly open minded person, but the coverage of this seems pretty straight forward. What am I not reading? What am I overlooking? The majority of reputable news sources are all saying the same thing, but I'm open to you showing me the error in my research.)
h_keller3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's not that you're overlooking exactly, but you're seeing information where there is none. There is no evidence that they actually implemented any illegal or non-neutral tactics, imo. Sure the emails prove that the DNC wanted Clinton. They wanted the candidate they thought would best beat the GOP in November (not getting into the argument over that should have been), but they never actually DID anything to "rig" the election one way or another.
regionalphilbin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:25:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you seen any of the email leaks?
h_keller3 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:32:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep read them all. Again, evidence please :)
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You absolutely have not read the thousands upon thousands of emails
regionalphilbin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. I guess you picked your name because you're blind.
Teuthex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever heard of Wikileaks?
h_keller3 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, and read all they've released. No real evidence of anything though, unless I'm missing something specific you can point me to
Teuthex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:39:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No you didn't.
sydneyzane64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you had you would have read the chairwoman's emails discussing a plan to have someone ask Bernie about his faith and allege he was an atheist in order to split votes in Clinton's favor.
h_keller3 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure how that proves your little conspiracy though....just shows that political campaigns are campaigning and want to beat their (real)(general election) opponent.
sydneyzane64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was an email between the campaign and the DNC. The DNC is supposed to be a neutral collection of party members. That's where the issue lies. May you also define what conspiracy you claim I believe in? I think there may be some confusion there. All I'm saying is that the Democratic National Convention played favorites and helped conspire to negatively impact Bernie's campaign.
h_keller3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and I've seen no evidence that they actually put into action any plan to negatively impact his campaign. Of course they should've stayed neutral, I think that's a big issue. It just seems like people take it a step further when there is no proof.
junkmale ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:00:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CTR is not hiring the best and brightest.
JoeyThePantz ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:01:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, so are we gonna ignore the rampant cheating, voter disenfranchisement, ridiculous party laws, and thousands of emails that show the DNC Illegally corroborating with Hillary? How about all the lies and lack of attention he received the first 20 states, where he still won 9? If it was a fair fight, he would have won. You're literally blind if you think the election wasn't stolen from him.
rougepenguin ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:41:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Show us. I saw some emails indicating a preference and wishing Sanders would just drop out, but the vast majority were after New York when he didn't really have much of a chance anyways. Obama won the primary in '08 because he had the support of young voters and minorities. Sanders had problems gaining traction with the latter. That is why he lost, anything beyond that is just excuses.
JoeyThePantz ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:42:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol ignore the other 4 things I said, that's fine.
rougepenguin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:55:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like taking advantage of the weirdness of caucses in Iowa? Which Sanders turned right around and did in other caucus races?
The result of purges? Those typically hit minority neighborhoods harder, and I didn't really see any solid evidence of it happening beyond the normal level Republicans pull for the general. Or sour grapes about closed primaries? The Sanders campaign (Which I did consulting work for in my state, mind you) made every effort to register people with their party. It was known well in advance the primaries would be closed, so if his supporters couldn't swallow their pride and register as a Dem for the primary that's on them.
Superdelegates? Didn't stop Obama and they weren't anything new. Sanders should have started earlier to get more of them in his camp.
Everyone complains about the media, but they were way more focused on the Republicans anyways. He got his due for winning New Hampshire, but the rest of those 20 (more like 22) were in two blocks that Clinton won overall.
asamermaid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:12:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally think the media was a massive hindrance to his campaign though. They never conveyed that he stood a chance, never made him seem viable, never really gave him much coverage at all. So the American people who don't approve of Republicans wanted someone who would beat Trump, so they were led to believe that person would be Clinton.
The major difference that I notice between people who want Clinton in and people who wanted Sanders in is that Clinton supporters always say "Well Clinton is the lesser of 2 evils," and people who supported Sanders genuinely liked and believed in his cause
It's a shame it turned out the way it did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He actually got way more positive coverage than Hillary.
asamermaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't see much of it. Though I don't go out of my way to watch the news anymore, it's just on at work all day. Most of the things I saw just had projections about Hillary winning. America has the mentality that we're choosing a "winner," so they picked a "winner." A lot of the statistics were skewed and different depending what channel you were on, also. People also focused on ANYTHING to do with Clinton more, and it was constantly conveyed as Clinton v. Trump at the beginning, aside from the short period of time Jeb was considered a front-runner. They presumed.
Obviously other factors play in as to why Sanders lost. A lot of people genuinely just thought he was too left and didn't want him. That's okay, I understand that. But I do think the media treated Sanders more unfairly than Clinton.
JoeyThePantz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:15:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, cheating like purging voter records (didn't just happen to black people), limiting polling places, lying to people about affidavit ballots, having absolutely corrupt party laws (just cause they exist, doesn't make them okay dude, coin flip anyone?)
How much of an effort could have been made to register voters in let's say New York, where the deadline to switch affiliation was October, a month before the first Democratic debate. That's not fucked at all right? Completely Democratic! And don't try to pull the (well it's their party shtick, it's anti Democratic and should be illegal what they do)
Super delegates being reported as voted by the media, showing Clinton with a 300 pt lead before the first ballot was cast was an organzied, corrupt method of voter disenfranchisement. The media plays a huge part.
Yeah, they didn't rip Bernie for months, but until he was on her heels he was completely fucking ignored. Why do you think they were focusing on Republicans so much? To distract you from what was going on with Democrats. It's all 1 big game to the corporations who run us dude.
Be a sheep though. All is well to you.
asamermaid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact you have to pre-register for a party in some states before even hearing candidates speak is a symptom of a great illness. It's a great obstacle to democracy to say "pick your support for a party NOW before even seeing who that candidate is." There is no gray area.
JoeyThePantz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got that right. Washington was right about party politics. They divide, not unite. It's all a load of shit. It's hard to not be cynical when you look at things. Both parties are 2 sides of the same coin. They divide us between elephants and donkeys so they can control us. Our country just doesn't work anymore. It's too big and theres too many differing ideas, so politicians can say whatever they want, get elected and then do whatever they want, because as long as some people, and the media, are on your side, nobody really questions you.
Life in Florida is a lot different than life in wyoming. Something needs to change about the way we run things.
0Catalyst ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:04:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but not every question a 12 year old asks needs a manifesto.
JoeyThePantz ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why lie to the kids though? Why not tell them Hillary cheated? Also, UK high school kids aren't 12. 14-18, like here
DumbledoresFerrari ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:26:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UK high school kids are 11-16
Anonymonynonymous ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Weird.
FunkyMark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you witness the impending sadness in their eyes?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
don't see why they scared of Trump it won't have any affect on them or our country
iongantas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be because the DNC is fucking corrupt as Hillary, er hell.
thefrontpageofreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because Sanders was crazy
abutthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like when we asked you not to leave the EU?
niknak_paddywhack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm from Northern Ireland, we tried our best, sorry! No one cares what we think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Because as much as people (myself included) like Bernie's rhetoric he's still a super old career politician with no real accomplishments and no real plan for if he actually got elected. I voted for the guy to push the party platform left, but I don't for one second believe he could actually effectively govern the nation.
Despite what you hear on the internet, a lot of people actually trust Hillary Clinton to run the country. Yeah, she doesn't seem like someone you would want to have a beer with, and she's done some shady shit, but she's rich and she's been in politics for a long time, so of course there have been some back room deals. People who are truly upset by that are hopelessly naive. At the end of the day, she's pretty liberal (moreso than Obama was in 2008) and can effectively do her job.
As much as people will flare up at this, a substantial amount of the hate for her is based in the fact that she's a powerful woman. You can see it in the dogwhistling language people use to talk about her. I'm not saying she's the best person ever, there are legitimate reasons some people don't like her. If people don't like her policy positions, I understand and respect that. People that have a problem with her character are, for the most part, holding her to a hypocritical double standard.
RCS47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your typical Trump rally attendee* doesn't have the disposable income for international travel. Nor would their lives be organized enough to apply for a passport.
*a subset of Trump supporters
KitchenSwillForPigs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
American here, many of us are perplexed also. The way our voting system works makes it so our votes don't really matter, so it's pretty common that two enormous assholes control the race.
skullminerssneakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R/thathappened
elmersglue188 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to the Podesta emails, we have Hillary to thank for Bernie being pushed out of the running.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my gosh hahahaha
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie Sanders isn't in the running because he had lofty ideals and dreams, but no way to realize them. He didn't present a viable budget that stood a snowball's chance in Hell of passing both chamber to finance his campaign promises, not did he present a viable method of gaining enough votes in both chambers to pass his campaign promises. Even with the Democrats retake both houses (and that prospect was mighty shaky back then, not at all like it is now), the Republicans could still (probably would) filibuster Sanders' campaign promises out of existence.
It's nice top have dreams and all, but it's not such good if you have no way of getting them realizing within the 4-8 years you'll be in office. It's also easy to promise Utopia if you know you won't have to bring it about, only try and then say "But I tried my hardest!". Sure, you can fight for it for 4 years, but it's pretty meaningless if in the end you have nothing to show for it.
Sanders campaign promises were a much more benign and advantageous for society version of Trump's campaign promises: A lot of things that have no way of really coming to pass.
nymphietonks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry - Trump voters rarely leave the country. It's all about kicking people OUT, not going to other people's countries. The ones you met were probably liberals.
StrawberryR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let them know that we all wanted Bernie Sanders. Despite it being a democracy, we don't get a lot of choice.
damiana8 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 15:31:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but you guys have May and Johnson
AbhorEnglishTeachers ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:40:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shsss! Dont remind us...
Miss_Musket ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop reminding us :(
NotATambourineMaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If only it was James...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then there bomb the Cotswolds, or so I've heard.
wtpwtpwtp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
James May is president of London?
throwaway-123- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:(
TakeMeToChurchill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but who doesn't like James May?!?
Itaywpyurucic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whats wrong with Theresa May?
alwayslurkeduntilnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May is a capable and intelligent politician with a very difficult job following Brexit. Boris is Boris.
T1tanArum ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:33:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least if Trump wins it might make the world forget about Brexit
11122233334444 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how can you forget about Brexit when Trump himself is Mr. Brexit
C477um04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well brexit hasn't even happened yet and the EU still wants it done within 2 years of the vote so not very likely.
alwayslurkeduntilnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is that. What if he invites us to join them?
Not_Cleaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if Trump is elected you won't have to fear $1 = ยฃ1, once Article 50 is activated.
sane-ish ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:29:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actual answer: they're nominated through a series of primaries and caucuses. Most of the time, the candidate with the highest bankroll gets the vote. It is incredibly expensive to run because of marketing costs, and travel. Half of those that run don't get any publicity because they don't have visibility.
roaming111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that but the person who gets the most backing from a political party usually wins the slot. This is due to the immense power they have over certain news organizations.
Enderdejorand ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:44:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mainly because the political machine of those two parties is so strong that the likelihood of any qualified 3rd party candidate actually succeeding is very small, let alone 3rd party candidates like the ones running this year. 3rd party candidates don't even get allowed into the debates unless they are polling 15% in national polls, so exposure to them is essentially null compared to the main two parties. Add to that the fact that Stein is weirdly anti-science on certain issues (vaccines), and Johnson is so fringe that he wants to eliminate the Department of Education and he barely can articulate a fact about foreign policy, well then the obvious outcome is that we're left with just the main two candidates.
As to how Clinton and Trump could succeed while being so disliked? The simplest explanation for Trump is that the Republican primary had so many candidates for so long that it allowed someone who otherwise would have been a fringe candidate was able to tap into enough of a percentage of the vote by alienating minorities and attacking "politics as usual." The simplest explanation for Clinton is that the DNC supported her from the start and spent the vast majority of the primary process downplaying or outright ignoring her opponent, Sanders. Of course there were many other factors for both primaries, but those are the simplest ones.
ComplainyBeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://twitter.com/drjillstein/status/760829384072712192
Enderdejorand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps the more nuanced response is that she casts doubt on whether we can trust mandatory vaccinations and legitimizes anti-vaccers concerns by saying there are "real questions" that have yet to be resolved about them. Her comments have also centered around mercury, which is one of the common anti-vaccination myths.
So yeah, she's not outright saying "ban vaccines," but she's certainly pandering to the crowd that is.
ComplainyBeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the worst thing you can say about the lady is she "panders to anti-vaxxers" she's still got my vote. Her comments mostly center around anti-vaxxers legitimate concerns that regulatory agencies are being run by industry insiders. Even in the link in that Washington post article listed two different drug company executives on the vaccine board. Is Forbes also pandering to anti-vaxxers?
Enderdejorand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're welcome to have your opinion on the topic. It doesn't change my opinion that her greatest strength is undercut by her wishy-washy statements.
And comparing a presidential candidate to a news organization is quite absurd. Who is to say one article by one journalists reflects an entire agency's views on a topic? By contrast, presidential candidates are held to their own words.
ComplainyBeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that saying the FDA is too heavily influenced by pharmaceutical companies isn't some off the wall radical idea, this is evidenced by the fact that it's something that even Forbes, known for their more or less mainstream political outlook, would publish. When you are running a long shot campaign that is actually progressive instead of neo-liberal centrism you're going to need people on the extreme left voting for you, in America that means Anti-vaxxers. Personally I'm comfortable with that political reality, especially since Jill's answer for them is to speak out against regulatory capture. I'd rather throw my hat in with the crazies than support the whole drone bombing, drug war, neo-colonialist status quo of the Democrats.
Enderdejorand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's my entire issue. She is running a long-shot campaign, so her pandering on this issue at all is ridiculous. She hasn't just limited her critiques of mandatory vaccinations to the FDA. And it's insane to suggest she needs to appeal to anti-vaxxers to capture the "far left." So sorry, I'm just not convinced. You're welcome to be, and I literally couldn't be bothered by that. It's just a difference of a opinion.
ComplainyBeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:35 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
16% of Americans either think vaccines are either unsafe or are "unsure" about their safety. My guess is the vast majority of those people are kombucha drinking yoga class vegans on the far left, maybe I'm wrong about that but it does seem to be very liberal parts of the country that are having an uptick in non-vaccinated children. When you're polling between 2% and 4% it makes sense that you would need to make some compromises in that direction if you want to expand your base.
Source?
Enderdejorand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:29 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's literally in the primary article we talked about. Anti-vaxxers complain that mercury leads to autism. She specifically references mercury and says:
"There were concerns among physicians about what the vaccination schedule meant, the toxic substances like mercury which used to be rampant in vaccines. There were real questions that needed to be addressed. I think some of them at least have been addressed. I donโt know if all of them have been addressed."
So basically your source is rampant speculation? Cool.
I disagree. When your campaign has literally no chance of winning, you demonstrate what a principled politician looks like. You don't pander on pseudo-science, especially when half of your notoriety stems from criticizing those in the main political parties for not listening to scientists on climate change.
Finally, I don't know why you're continuing to respond here. Each time I've said I couldn't care that you're willing to ignore this as an issue; the point is that I'm not. But I will be ignoring this thread going forward.
ComplainyBeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:09 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever. That quote is giving context as to why the regulations matter and why some of the concerns were legitimate medical inquiry. She was explaining that the FDA didn't, or rather might not have addressed some of the concerns surrounding vaccines which is why people don't trust it. It's her explaining why anti-vaxxers exist in the first place and the media jumped on it and made it seem like she was in fact the whack-a-do simply because she can empathize with where those people are coming from. People's distrust in the government regulators is actually leading to measles outbreaks. She is in fact the only candidate with a reasonable solution to what to do about anti-vaxxers, which is to create a regulatory system the people can trust. In that, she does pander to anti-vaxxers. To me it's much better than just completely writing off 16% of the population as conspiracy nuts with no basis in reality.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the strength of the 2 party system is directly related to the first-past the post, winner take all electoral system. It's called Duverger's law
Lokmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have found the Poli-sci major
forgetasitype ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:46:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, I don't think that's true. I think most people are fine with their party's candidate. When I talk to people about the election rather than getting info from mass media, most registered Democrats like Hilary, and most registered Republicans like Trump. Except the evangelical Christians, who are not thrilled with Trump, but they were only really happy with GW, because he was an evangelical too. Now there are plenty of liberals who don't like Hillary, and lots of conservatives who don't like Trump, but I would say that those people are probably not often happy with the mainstream two party nominees in any election.
alwayslurkeduntilnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how it's reported or perceived here, hence the pupils questions.
forgetasitype ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure--that's what I mean. You all get the media version, but on the ground it's much more boring.
yomama629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then there's half the millennial population who prefer third party candidates over either. The establishment's days are numbered.
forgetasitype ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but in that case no one will get a majority 51%, and the House will pick, therefore the Republicans will generally win. So, still.
ImEatingASandwich ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:36:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're trying figure out the same thing, too.
JagManiac316 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of us here are asking ourselves the same question....
StevoTheMonkey ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:28:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they are still better options than the 2 beneath them. Gary Johnson and Jill Stein don't seem to have the abilities to run this country. Jill says things that are anti-feminist. Gary doesn't know anything.
AnonMediacomTech ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:36:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jill Stein says just about anything she can think of to get attention/remain relevant.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:39:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like any of them, but I feel like despite his cringey mistakes, Gary is more qualified than Trump in every possible way
Rerichael ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:02:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More qualified than Trump? Absolutely, no question. I think because I held a student government position in middle school, I'm more qualified than the Donald. But I still wouldn't want Gary as president.
I don't agree with everything he stands for, but I was very ready to vote for him this election, but his Aleppo slip up and not being able to name a foreign leader was the final straw for me.
We simply cannot have a president who is THAT oblivious to foreign policy.
yomama629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since libertarians are isolationists, yes, yes we can.
Rerichael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between being an isolationist who doesn't want to be involved in foreign affairs, and having no idea what is going on around you.
Being an isolationist doesn't mean you lock yourself in your proverbial closet and ignore everything outside your room.
Even If Johnson somehow managed to win the presidency, he can't just walk into the oval office call up all the other countries and just sever ties. And if your response to that statement is, "well why not" then you don't understand the nuances of global politics and only help my point about why Gary shouldn't become president.
yomama629 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:00:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, my response to that is that deciding not to vote for a guy because he had a blank and didn't understand the words spoken to him in the moment when you were previously "very ready to vote for him" is pretty stupid. It's pretty obvious that Johnson knows exactly what is going on in Syria, you would have to have zero contact with the outside world to not know.
As for the "I can't name a foreign leader I respect" thing, my personal theory is that as a libertarian you can't really respect any foreign leader. You're the furthest to the right possible on the American political spectrum, how the hell are you going to respect a leader in any country where even the most ardent right-wingers would be considered moderate right over here?
thepenaltytick ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:32:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ALEPPO
PokerBeards ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sanders..... I think the point is that the two party system (when was the last independent elected?) is rigged because of the insane amount of money they are allowed to spend campaigning. If they leveled the field by capping that spending, people would actually care about policy and not the rhetoric being spewed by your news sources.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't pretend sanders is innocent of spending shitloads of money trying to win the nomination.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0
But yeah you're right that the biggest warchest usually wins. Trump's a hell of an anomaly.
PokerBeards ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, Sanders had to play the game the way the rules are currently written or else it would have been impossible to compete as is.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be more concerned about the anti-science ones.
Raxal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im most concerned about the "Never even held a government position" thing.
TheFlyingBastard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such as?
sublimefan42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gary was a fantastic governor, and was willing to admit he has a lot to learn on foreign policy (which is a far more honest response than many politicians would have made)
KingBebee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, I definitely lean more socialist than libertarian, but he has been the most reasonable and honest candidate running (considering Sanders is out).
Do I think all of his ideas are on point? No, but I'm willing to give him a shot based solely on the fact that he doesn't appear to be in anyone's pocket and he carefully articulates his views honestly.
PavelYay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the Washington State Voter's Pamphlet (Which admittedly has been known to get certain things, such as primary dates, not entirely correct):
Jill Stein
Elected Experience: Lexington Town Meeting
Gary Johnson
Elected Experience: Gov. of New Mexico, 1995-2003
Whih are pretty bad records for someone running for president. On the other hand...
Donald J. Trump
Elected Experience: None.
yomama629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does she say things that go against the idea that women are equal to men or does she say things like "the wage gap is a myth" or "we shouldn't have quotas for employment"? Because the latter sounds perfectly reasonable to me
JustJJ92 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gary didn't know allepo. wow scrutinize him. you think trump knew allepo? hell no! gary is more human than both those candidates and should be the next president
StevoTheMonkey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:41:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's had quite a few Allepo's so far. He seems like a nice guy, he just doesn't seem to have knowledge.
I also don't agree with Libertarianism. I believe the government runs certain things better than private businesses do.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 15:33:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not.
ZDTreefur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's neither good nor bad. It just is. Not everybody has to pay lip service to every ideology.
TheFlyingBastard ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got some quotes?
flyinpiggies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is the question. But the people are too fucking lazy to actually make a change so the shit show will play out fully until one side is in the bottom of the mud.
Gen_Jack_Ripper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Johnson supporter, I'm asking myself the same question.
GiveMeNotTheBoots ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our primary system is totally fucked.
No, really, that's why put very simply.
Bouncy_McSquee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the UK got first past the post too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lobbyists.
Thameus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wrong lizard might get in.
imakefilms ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:39:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Irishman here. WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE UK AND THE US DOING.
alwayslurkeduntilnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the UK we appear to be trying everything to fuck ourselves and by extension our nearest neighbours.
Sorry.
laughingfuzz1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real answer-
While anyone can declare their candidacy, in practical terms you're really only a viable candidate if you're the nominee of one of the two big parties. People COULD vote for somebody else, but most people won't because they don't feel third party candidates are "real" candidates. It can also be difficult in some states that have high requirements to be on the ticket and don't allow write-in candidates.
The party nominees are chosen in the primaries, which even fewer people vote in than the election, and usually the most politically active. The American political spectrum is polarizing, and this is most apparent in the most politically active portions of the population. This, accompanied by a growing distrust of "Washington insiders" lent Trump a lot of popular support with registered Republicans, despite being very unpopular with some party leaders. This same polarization was the main thing that Sanders had going for him, but his main body of support is mostly very young and non-politically active. A lot of the talk during the Democratic primary was that Clinton was "owed" the nomination, after being passed over in 2008. While she's more of a centrist than Trump, and so her policies have broader appeal, many people distrust her because of some things that happened during her time as Secratary of State.
It's also typical for more serious candidates to delay running if their party is the outgoing party, since after a president reaches his two-term limit, the opposite party nearly always wins. It's seen as a "waste" to run under the same party that's going out. Basically, the Democrats probably weren't putting up their absolute best candidates, but the Republican put up such a terrible candidate that their 'pity nomination' looks like the better option to many Americans.
Basically, it's a big mess that's demonstrating exactly what many people have been saying is wrong with the two-party system for some time now.
alwayslurkeduntilnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for that, I appreciate the time you spent with such a detailed reply.
taysteekakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plenty of us love Hillary. Don't trust internet opinion. It's mostly college kids that won't bother to vote anyways.
Ryannnnnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. I'll stick to CNN...
GiveMeNotTheBoots ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:16:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You correct that record!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people are misinformed about hillary.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Labor and Tories are pretty much the same in Parliament though aren't they? UKIP has millions of members but only one seat.
ToThyneOwnSelfBeTrue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good question. It exemplifies our belief in false realities; we are the consumerist society and marketing is mostly bullshit so many people are "trained" through the culture to prefer non-reality and can't see truths that are not spun to confirm their biases
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
spite mostly.
costabius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We'd explain... but it requires lots of drinking...
warpenguin55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because there are too many dumbasses in America
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because welcome to the shitty US election cycle where we put up 2 equally shitty candidates backed by the only two parties in the US that will ever see enough votes to secure the presidency and people are too dumb to vote third party over voting in the lesser of two evils.
chefranden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:39:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell them Americans have to sacrifice their sanity for world peace.
oogachucka ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most Americans are struggling with that question as well
Bench92 ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 16:13:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work for an aftercare at an elementary school in South Florida. All of the children repeat whatever they hear their parents say. None of them have actual opinions because none of them really care. My community has a very large Hispanic population, so most of them dislike trump, but a lot of children who are Cuban defend trump. Some kids will say "trump hates hispanics and sucks". Then the other kids will say "no he doesn't, he's going to fix everything". They're children and don't understand. They just repeat whatever they hear their parents say.
banjaxe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:48:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I'm almost 40 and I still don't understand. About supporting trump in general, I mean.
theferalbadger ยท 336 points ยท Posted at 17:25:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a daycare center and a 3 year old ran up to my coworker yelling "Donald Trump is a bad dragon!"
I ain't one to disagree
Roasty_Mytosis ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 18:51:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bad dragon ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
atyxyt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:09:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/furry_irl?
antiname ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't expect that to be a thing.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:01:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
l-lewd
rexlibris ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 20:21:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which bad dragon dildo would he be?
Bluebe123 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:23:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best one. The most expensive one. Everyone likes that one, everyone tells me it's great.
rexlibris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They have the best dildos! I tell ya folks.
/not kidding, my bf has one... :P
vortigaunt64 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:11:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure of the name, but it's big and covered in sandpaper.
PMMeYourStoolSample ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also important, which one would Clinton be?
rexlibris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whichever one leaks the most.
CptNoble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:38:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure the dragons would appreciate Trump being lumped in with them.
RCS47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he might as well be the Grand Dragon of the KKK.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He wishes he was a dragon. He's more like a gnat.
skullminerssneakers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R/dragonsfuckingcars
MurgleMcGurgle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to put a forward slash before the "r" to link a subreddit.
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. "Dragon" is giving him a bit too much credit.
"Hobgoblin" might be a bit more appropriate.
kerpandilla ยท 1922 points ยท Posted at 15:03:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I am an elementary teacher and my third graders HATE trump. Anytime anything election driven gets brought up, they remind me not to vote for him because he wants to build a wall and hates mexicans. Most of my students are mexican-american.
TheSpanishDerp ยท 719 points ยท Posted at 15:45:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Being Mexican, I have not seen a single person in my family having at least a somewhat liking to Trump. Even my youngest cousins and nephews despise the man
ItsJustReeses ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:23:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a older coworker (40-50) told me she was frightened what would happen because all the youngsters wanted Trump in the office.
I just turned and said "You mean Bernie right?". She just said "No, they jumped from one to the other" and went on her way. I was so damn confused.
jheono ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:02:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's not completely wrong. A lot of my former Bernie-supporting friends hate Hilary just as much, if not more, than Trump - especially because of the scandal regarding the DNC leak.
Unfortunately, lots of them did jump to another sinking ship.
pcyr9999 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:22:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gary Johnson?
Zebramouse ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:09:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aleppo?
sparrow5 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:25:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now, what is Aleppo?
notLOL ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:42:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a sinking ship
DaedricWindrammer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:49:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how that's his biggest scandal.
pcyr9999 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He doesn't get enough attention for people to notice anything else.
caesar_primus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly baffled that people have made that jump. My roommate from freshman year who started supporting Bernie Sanders almost two years ago, but immediately jumped to Johnson after Bernie lost because he wants to "nuke those savages in the Middle East." Didn't seem aware that Johnson is not going to nuke people. It's funny since I used to think he was really well informed because he would always talk about how such and such news source was biased and claim he read completely objective news.
rhinguin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:41:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Trump lost just yet. Just look at his rallies.
SeeShark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:00:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rallies don't mean you have more supporters. It means the ones you have are more enthusiastic. Unfortunately, they still only get one vote each.
The most likely scenario right now is Clinton winning on a wave of tepid unenthusiasm and anti-Trump sentiments.
SoupOfTomato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie and Romney had bigger rallies than their opponents. If anything, it's correlated with losing.
mjmannella ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:56:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's saying a lot more then you'd initially think.
Why would someone with less supporters win? I'm not saying there's background work going on, but there are signs that are pointing to this.
geek_loser ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:13:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A big platform that Bernie ran on was anti-corruption. Hilary is the walking definition of corruption, and won't vote for her.
Muffinmurdurer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is pretty damn corrupt as well.
CowboyFlipflop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's called a protest vote. There's a lot of that Bern/Trump/Johnson or Bern/Stein/Johnson going around. Same reason some waffle between Green and Libertarian and Socialist parties every election.
poseidon0025 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many Bernie supporters had the "The pub didn't have my favorite cocktail so I'm going home to drink bleach!" mentality. Not most, but quite a few.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really more "the pub didn't have my favorite cocktail and is offering me bleach instead, so I'm going to go drink a different brand of bleach as a form of 'fuck you.'"
FallenAngelII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cannot be an ardent Bernie supporter yet vote Trump. Sure, Hillary wasn't your first choice and there's the cloud of scandal around the primary, but Trump is literally the anti-Bernie on basically every single political position possible.
To vote for Trump out of spite is what children do, not rational adults.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really decide for people what their priorities are; if all someone cares about is upsetting the establishment, they can absolutely be an ardent Bernie supporter and vote Trump.
They actually do share certain policy stances. Most notably, they both oppose international free trade, and both advocate for election finance reform (although their proposals in this regard are not the same).
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your (not you personally) sole reason for voting is "upsetting the establishment" and you ignore the damage a Trump presidency would bring to the U.S. and the world, you're a brat and I have no time for you.
When writing fiction with his mouth, maybe. The man whose charitable foundation was ordered to cease fund raising because it was breaking the law has no leg to stand on here. Not only does he exploit campaign finance law as much as possible, he's even going further and breaking the law.
poseidon0025 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:14:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh, Hillary is more Bud Light. Not very pleasant, not my first choice, but it ain't gonna kill me.
theskepticalsquid ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a bunch of people who went from Bernie to trump. These kind of people are the ones that do anything everyone else does, so I think that explains it.
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Hillary is gonna win so shouldn't that mean they should vote for Hillary?
theskepticalsquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't understand their logic.. also don't know why I got downvoted but oh well lol
Fudgaj ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:35:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a 5 half mexican cousins and they want to vote for trump because of his stance on weed
mikalot3 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:29:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He hasn't actually taken a stance, and neither has Clinton. They both support medical use, and both would allow states to decide their own law
SithLord13 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's entirely untrue. If you're voting just on weed, you want Trump. Hillary wants mandatory yearly drug testing as part of your regular checkup. Trump has publicly committed to legalization of medical, and to making recreation a choice by the states.
mikalot3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:23:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They rejected that idea before it was ever made public. Every organization has bad ideas that never make it out the door, whether it's in politics, business, or art.
The democratic party is far more likely to push for marijuana legalization within the next 4 years. According to Gallup polls in 2013, 58% of Americans think marijuana should be legal. That's 35% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats, and 62% of Independents. Democrats should be pushing for marijuana legalization very soon based on these opinion polls, and mainstream Republicans will likely be resisting that change for the foreseeable future, since it's unpopular with their base.
Because of that, I think the Clinton/Kaine ticket is going to do more for the marijuana movement than a Trump/Pence ticket, but again, it's really the congressmen (including state congress) that are going to make a difference.
Regardless, the candidates that are supporting legalization have no chance of winning (Johnson, Stein, etc) so your presidential vote is not going to matter on marijuana very much. What you need to do is back state and federal legislators that are of progressive mind, or better yet, directly mention marijuana legalization on their website. Do your research before election day, because this issue doesn't always follow party lines.
tl;dr - The real fight for legalization is being fought at the state level, but I expect the DNC to go pro-pot in the next presidential term, which could certainly convince Clinton. That gives her the tiniest advantage over Trump, but it's not big enough that this should be a deciding issue for anyone.
SithLord13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, if you read the emails, they agree to wait until after the election, because of the risk of blowback.
I think the only way the DNC goes pro-pot is if Clinton looses. If she wins and is running the convention next round, the DNC isn't going to change policy. The absolute best you can hope for from Clinton (legal medical and state by state for rec) is what Trump has already committed to, and the fact that she hasn't committed in the same way makes me highly suspect we're not looking at a best case scenario.
HelpImOutside ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:33:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For children. And that would never pass anyways. Still a pretty totalitarian stance, though
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even states with legalized weed imposes an age limit on weed consumption. Having testing for weed for children is perfectly in line with that.
zombie_JFK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not really. do we have mandatory yearly testing for alcohol for minors?
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not anywhere near that. What was really talked about was what the American Academy of Pediactrics have recommended.
The purpose of the screening is not to report them to any authorities but to be able to prevent substance abuse and provide counseling if needed. And unlike what others have suggested after reading only an editorialized version of the Podesta Emails from some alt right or pro-weed sites, Clinton's camp was not talking specifically about weed, but substance abuse in general, as is obvious if your read the emails in question (weed wasn't even mentioned).
So, yes, under the proposed policy, minors would be tested for alcohol.
zombie_JFK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least the policy is an equal opportunity invasion of privacy
thisismeER ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
States rights? Yeah that's not even a stance.
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:10:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's most definitely a stance
thisismeER ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the most non stance stance you can really have when you're running for president.
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:56:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is their stance?
That X should be left up to states, and not federally decided
That's most definitely a stance
SeeShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
80% of the time when a politician supports "states' rights" it's because
His personal stance isn't popular but advocating for states' rights is popular, or
He knows if states got to decide the issue would go the way he wants.
Remember, states' rights doesn't belong to either party - they've swapped stances whenever it made broader sense. For example, the Republicans were for states' rights when that meant ignoring federal slave-return bills, then against states' rights when it came to federal drug regulation, than for states' rights again when the Supreme Court started overturning things like abortion and gay marriage bans.
So while advocating for states' rights is a declaration of position, it is very rarely a position in and of itself.
TL;DR: if a politician is advocating for states' rights, check what the states are advocating for. That's probably his stance.
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you're saying, but wanting the states to decide things is in and of itself a stance. Not everyone wants everything decided federally
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In theory, you are correct. I'm positing that there are very, VERY few politicians who actually hold this stance, and usually when a politician advocates for it he or she is actually advocating one side of the underlying issue.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you don't mind if I say your cousins aren't voting very intelligently. Single-issue voting based on weed is ridiculous.
Fudgaj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:02 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are not intelligent at all.
CaptCoffeeCake ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:54:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on the opposite side. I work with a lot of naturalized 1st gen Mexican American immigrants (and other immigrants). They all support Trump (at least in regards to immigration policy etc). The reason being is that all of them went through the difficult, expensive, and legal hurdles of gaining work visas, immigration paperwork and sponsors to come to the US and eventually gain citizenry. They hate the idea that someone could sneak in, avoid all the proper processes, and then claim citizenry, while all those trying to do it legally are denied entry.
Hearing them speak about that really changed my perspective on that.
yeaheyeah ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:35:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I'm married to an American citizen, and it's been thousands of dollars in government fees and legal fees and years of waiting and I still don't have a green card. Why would I support someone that wants to make this process more difficult and expensive? I totally sympathize with everyone that doesn't have the money and privilege to do this the long way.
vagrantking ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:02:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying, it makes it much harder to legally allow people in when you have a sizable undocumented population to account for.
Jupiterswrath ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For real, it's a real Fuck you, Got Mine mentality.
TheScoresWhat ยท 166 points ยท Posted at 16:24:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Mexican as well. My grandparents immigrated legally in the 50's and they are huge Trump supporters. Most of my family is voting for him but they aren't head over heals like my grandparents are for him. The biggest thing they talk about is how they went through the process of immigrating legally and then did everything they could to assimilate. They are not happy with people illegally immigrating because they feel like they don't truly love and respect America or its culture so they don't assimilate. I have personally decided to vote Trump mainly because of the recent Wikileaks showing us that Hillary is either as corrupt or more corrupt than we thought.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:48:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have many immigrant friends who will be voting for him for the same reason. They (or their parents) immigrated legally because they wanted to be Americans. Add that into the fact that there are whole elementary schools/neighborhoods made up of entirely one immigrant population and those kids, though born and raised here, aren't being raised as American kids and you see why so many people are voting on this one issue, even if they're immigrants themselves.
SeeShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just to put a dissenting voice out there, I'm a naturalized citizen (immigrated when I was 12) and I am most definitely voting against Trump. The American immigration process is absurd - it took us over 10 years to do it, and that was with the best lawyers Microsoft could afford. Any changes to it are okay in my book.
And I do not have any malice for illegal immigrants who want to "skip the process." Many of them have been living in the US longer than me. Just because they speak Spanish and eat more salsa than ketchup doesn't mean they're less American than I am - defining what an American looks like isn't up to me. Anybody who's already here and contributing should be able to do it legally.
tumelapelas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i love you.
also, /u/TheScoresWhat up there isn't even mexican, he's just posing to lend authority to his racist bullshit.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is also good to note.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. If you don't respect our laws and start off by breaking them, you don't deserve automatic citizenship and the rights afforded to citizens. That defies logic and our cultural norms. If you don't agree with our cultural norms, you do not deserve to be welcomed with open arms into it since there's a smaller chance you'll assimilate into what is most likely a much more civil, and law-abiding culture than the one you left.
tumelapelas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
literally nobody is suggesting that.
SeeShark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are thousands and thousands of people that don't respect our laws and start off by breaking them. There are people whose entire fortunes are built on their parents cheating the tax system. There are people who use illegal drugs every day. There are people who grew up in poverty and resort to crime to make ends meet.
I'm not necessarily advocating for or against any of those people, but it seems that accusing illegal immigrants of being inherent criminals is a bit selective when so many people flagrantly violate the law and/or its spirit on a regular basis.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:34:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's either illegal or it isn't. The first world isn't without crime and cheating, but it pales in comparison to the way most of the world works (think traffic laws, queuing, bribing officials, etc.).
I work with immigrants so I see how hard it is for them to grasp that there's a lot of rules and manners are crazily important. Even though things get pretty tense during election years, the culture is a far more civil and law abiding than average. You can't just throw a deck on your house without following code, pay a cop to get out of a ticket, or show up to a job interview 30 minutes after the agreed time and it's a tough transition to make when you immigrate, but it's part of the deal. Assimilate or don't come here because the pockets of little 3rd world countries near me really suck (especially seeing the way the girls are raised to believe their lesser and gay kids are treated horribly). They are unAmerican and, in many cases, anti-American and it's absurd that these areas exist given how many do not have permission to be here.
tumelapelas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes. you can. you can absolutely do every single one of those things in America...so long as you're rich.
Monsterra ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:20:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So which is it? In this thread you're Mexican with grandparents that immigrated legally in the 50s.
In this thread you're a black guy: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/547uvj/in_america_gun_rights_are_for_whites_only/d7zsylx
In this thread your great great grandparents were non slave owning southerners that you are very proud of: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/55ggfu/post_game_thread_ole_miss_defeats_memphis_4828/d8aw246
And here you are white: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/53zk09/police_chief_video_provides_no_definitive/d7xsnvg?context=3
I also have screenshots in case you try to delete anything you lying racist sack of shit. As an actual Hispanic woman, fuck you.
tumelapelas ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:34:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I am sorry, but you and your family have not thought this through. I don't know if you like to travel, for example, but let us assume that you do: Do you really think if you and your family decide to go to Paris for the winter or Cancun for the summer, that immigration officers at the airport enacting Trump's policies won't harass you, send you to the back room for a few hours while they "inspect your papers", or flat-out deny you entry because they have now been given permission to act out racist policies based on your heritage, your name, the color of your skin and not on your actual immigration status or citizenship?
Because that is what is going to happen. The way Sikhs get denied visas now (and will even more in the future) because people think that being Sikh = being Muslim and being Muslim = being a terrorist. A Trump presidency, even if it defines it's exclusion in a limited way ("we are only going after illegal Mexicans, not all hispanics" or "we are only going after Muslims, not people who look middle eastern) that doesn't mean that you won't get unfairly targeted for being in a group of people that is remotely similar in appearance/garb/language/name as the targeted group.
And if you live in a state like Arizona, what do you think the odds are that the state won't find it somehow constitutional to demand that you carry your passport with you at all times to prove your citizenship? And that you don't get arrested by some racist piece of shit cop during a routine traffic stop because "you looked too Mexican" or "your passport looked fake"? Can you imagine getting fired from your job after being late because the papers police "randomly" stopped you on your way to work and you forgot to carry your passport with you so they took you down to the precinct where you had to spend most of the morning sorting it out? Because those are the kinds of civil rights abuses people if Hispanic origin can look forward to if Trump's racist views get enacted. Trickle-down hatred.
You can also look forward to being discriminated against while seeking employment based on your heritage. Perhaps the police departments in Indiana decide you can't be trusted to do your job because you might be "biased" in favor of illegals. Or maybe that software company in Austin doesn't hire you because your job involves travel and as a startup they can't afford to hire the lawyers to assist every time you get detained at the border wall.
TL;DR: I can understand being a Republican. I can understand hating Hillary Clinton. But an American of Mexican or Islamic heritage thinking that the targeting of foreign-born nationals is not going to affect them is a downright stupid reason to vote for Trump.
edit: never mind. OP is a lying sack of shit.
Monsterra ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:44:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, this guy isn't actually Mexican. He's white through and through, but pretends he's a different race every time he wants to uphold some form of racism. See my early reply to his comment with links.
tumelapelas ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:25:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
i should have known. no mexican, i don't care what generation, is malinche enough to be that fucking stupid. thanks for the heads up. upvoted your earlier post for visibility, although i think unfortunately the "true america-loving immigrants vs scumbag illegals" circlejerk is well underway....
TheScoresWhat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TLDR?
artyboi37 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:46:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a big part of why my dad is voting Trump. He immigrated from Poland on the early 80's, and he had to wait 11 months for his visa to be approved. He went through huge trouble to come to the US, so he really doesn't like it when people bypass all that and enter illegally.
TheScoresWhat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:51:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your dad did it the right way. Did he work hard to integrate into American society?
artyboi37 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:57:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he came here speaking no English and worked his ass off to learn the language. He also loves talking to people, any people, so he picked up the culture that way. He firmly believes the US is the greatest country in the world. Coming from a communist regime, the American dream where a man can do anything if he works hard for it means a lot to him.
rhinguin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
America IS the greatest country in the world.
serene420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was at that time, not anymore.
santaclaus73 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In your mind maybe. There still isn't another contendor.
serene420 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are countries whose average population have a better quality of life than the average american.
Their social system is based entirely on promoting the Welfare of the people, in the USA the concept of "Welfare" has a stigma because of the awful benefits system.
If you think that our country is undisputed best country in the world, I'm sorry but you're quite matching the stereotype of the blind american.
Yes we have a country that has achieved a ton, that has it better than the majority of the planet, but in some aspects, other countries make us seem like we are "third world".
I don't want to leave this country to go to those countries, I want this country to become the best again. Doesn't seem like thats going to happen anytime soon.
santaclaus73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I won't dispute that America is definitely going through some hardship, or that a couple countries may have a better quality of life, but in terms of the economy, culture, technology, and innovation we're pretty much leading the way. Whoever has the best government programs isn't necessarily the best country. Those programs by and large are unsustainable for very long. I would say our political process is also superior, but at the moment, things are a little fucked.
danhern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so basically you want to make america great again?
serene420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, more like make it "greater". It is a great country in many ways but we are lagging behind in progress in many areas.
PM_ME_YER_PMS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I had a terrible thing happen to me, so everybody else should too!" I just don't understand that logic...
babygrenade ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 16:52:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did they show that? I thought there really wasn't much there
crazyman882 ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 17:02:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of the Trump supporters are going to tell you it's all 100% proof she's corrupt and all of the Hillary supporters are going to tell you there's not much there. I would highly encourage you to take a look at the leaks yourself and judge accordingly - don't let people with an agenda relay the information to you.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:52:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She says some pretty bad stuff I'm there which would be damming if Trump wasn't running.
For example, she said it's "important to have a public opinion and a private opinion." That's literally the corollary definition of a liar.
Another thing she said is "wall street should self regulate itself".
These are two of several quotes which shows she is not trustworthy and that she is a flip flopper.
I'm not a Trump or Hillary supporter, both are trash candidates.
Raxal ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:21:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The 'Public opinion vs. Private opinion' was in the context of her talking about the Lincoln movie that Steven Spielberg made and how she liked it because it showed that side of politics. It also doesn't help that is literally what every public figure has.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:29:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yea, I saw that Lincoln excuse.
I watched the debate on CBS and even they thought it was a pretty half assed excuse.
iamthegraham ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:16:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She literally brought up Lincoln in the original email. It's not an excuse, it's the truth.
Raxal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:43:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess context doesn't matter in the slightest.
deadbeatsummers ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:40:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That quote didn't mean she was a liar, lmao. That's literally what every exec does. You speak to your audience. I think it's kind of naive to assume every one of our politicians says the same to every crowd.
isotaco ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:24:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was an uncomfortable thing to have come out, but motherfucking DUH. You don't talk about family matters with your spouse the same way you would with your kids, and you don't convey your ideas to the American public the same way you'd craft legistlation with a bunch of lawyers and policy wonks. It's a mountain out of a mole hill. And I'm a "hold my nose" Hillary voter - this bothers me far less than the way she ran her 2008 campaign against Obama.. which still sticks with me as a very sore spot.
deadbeatsummers ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:59:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
I'm not necessarily concerned about her relationships with big banks, mainly because we already know that money is in politics, especially congress. At this point, we are so entrenched in capitalism that the president's relationship with big corporations is irrelevant. Electing Trump because he "doesn't care" won't improve that.
The golden rule to campaigning and giving a speech, or selling a product, is to know your audience and that email was literally stating such.
I was a "hold my nose" voter as well, but at this point the allegations against her are kind of silly.
KommanderKrebs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about that whole black vote conversation? That was pretty shitty.
deadbeatsummers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about this exchange? https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11152
FWIW, I would prefer another candidate. I am just saying that it's a bit nit-picky at this point in the campaign. It's already clear that she is the better option. Congress is just as powerful when it comes to policy and will influence any of her decisions.
KommanderKrebs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I suppose she's better. At least we don't have to worry about her saying something stupid and getting bus into a fight with countries.
MOD_LIVES_MATTER ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. She'll just go to war twice in the Middle East, and increase hostilities with Russia. Far more rational and responsible.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the status quo. But is it right?
If you do this, fine, don't peddle yourself as a transparent politician like Clinton does.
You'll be surprised how outspoken and blunt many CEO's can be.
ProjectShamrock ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:26:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's more like when your boss tells you to do something you think is a bad idea, but at the same time you have to do it and you don't go around badmouthing it. A perfect example is Tim Kaine on abortion. He doesn't like it, but he believes it is permissible by U.S. law.
Pullo_T ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:59:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you just described is a liar!
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:50:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it means she's a liar. She shares her private positions with wealthy donors but not the public? Why? Maybe because they are more important to her?
It's clear she's lying and covering up the fact that she simply panders to a position in public while holding her own opinions that she will act on but not share.
How is that not obvious with her bullshit this cycle about always having been a progressive? Her leaks show she's a corrupt, neoliberal corporate stooge through and through.
promonk ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:56:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I rather agree that they're both pretty bad choices, but those quotes really don't reflect negatively on Clinton's character unless you're already predisposed to distrust her.
"...important to have a public opinion and a private opinion..." could be read as meaning that the are some opinions that should be kept to one's self, especially when one is a public personage. These public and private opinions don't have to be incongruent with each other. That is to say that one can hold private opinions about, say, an elected official that should not be voiced in a public setting; if Clinton personally detested Obama, she was quite right to keep that opinion to herself and serve her appointed function as Secretary of State honestly and dutifully. The question should be whether she did that, not what her secret heart of hearts believes. It's the utmost naivete to think that one's personal opinions should always be voiced at all times.
"Wall Street should self regulate itself" is a statement that anyone should agree with after a moment's thought. Wall Street damn well should regulate itself, but since it doesn't, government should regulate them in the public's interest. Ideally there should be no regulation on anyone, but this isn't an ideal world, and people are all too often assholes.
I'm very willing to believe that in their proper context those quotes you gave might reflect badly on Sec. Clinton, but as you gave no context nor source, your argument is not effective.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I agree somewhat with your first paragraph.
But you very well know that's not the type of textbook idealized regulation Clinton was talking about in her speech at Goldman Sachs.
She was literally saying Wall street should set up the regulations for its own industry.
There's a difference between crony regulation and regulation, and that is the key here.
Clinton was not over at Goldman Sachs to give a lecture on Business Strategy 101 and how the idealized company should regulate itself. She was posturing that if she is elected, Wall Street will be able to give a few extra inputs into the regulatory framework.
I don't mind that, she should be forthcoming about it though.
promonk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:15:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point wasn't that her position is misunderstood, my point was that you didn't provide the context necessary to make a strong case. Her position on the subject is the same neo-liberal line that's dominated national politics for the last four decades, which I happen to find abhorrent. You wouldn't know that by what you've quoted, though.
I'm toughest on those with whom I agree. It's a side effect of my rhetorical training.
danhern ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'll go Hillary in this election, but goddamn if there was any other candidates rather than shitty 3rd party and trump, Hillary would have no chance.
crazyman882 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about you link directly to the leaks with these quotes so everyone can read them in full and understand the context better? I would but I'm on mobile.
Saintbaba ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:38:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I only read the first batch, so i don't have anything for the "self regulate" thing, but for the first one:
Those are the Clinton team's headlines, not mine - keep in mind the first batch was opposition research with them spitballing how someone could negatively spin certain excerpts from her speeches.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on mobile as well.
Seagull84 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not voting for any POTUS candidate, and there is absolutely nothing incriminating, or even unehtical, in the last wiki leaks regarding Clinton.
People will say what they can do get you to vote for their candidate.
Sneet1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:43:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
As a UI designer, I actually find the Wikileaks leaks quite amusing as they so intentionally obfuscate what's in them so that you can quite quickly just link to them and say "look! damning!" (as a lot of conservative political clickbait sites have done) while in reality it's just interns chatting and Hilary talking about being an establishment politician if you can actually manage to search through a string of individual pdfs and a shittily implemented search system. Nothing damning at all, but also not nice to read. Regardless, it's quite clear that the wikileaks information presentation itself has an agenda and there's a reason she hasn't actually been indicted for anything (because there's nothing there to indict her for). I do find it kind of strange that after years heralded as a vaguely far-left internet presence, Wikileaks has solidly become alt-right with things like the feminist protesters in turkey leaks (potentially ruining the lives of tens of thousands of women under the reign of Ergodan because.... "muh feminzais" or something).
crazyman882 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% agree and know, but I would still encourage people to check the leaks out for themselves because if they don't, it'll always be something hanging over their head come election day. Why question whether the leaks show that she's corrupt or not when you can read them directly and judge them for yourself?
I'm a huge Clinton supporter and would never expect someone to take me at my word (and would expect the same in regards to Trump supporters) because I clearly have an agenda. However, if you research for yourself what I and other Clinton supporters are saying versus what Trump supporters are saying and look directly at the primary sources, it's pretty clear which side is accurate and which isn't.
HostisHumanisGeneri ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:20:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's waaay too many to read them all though, I saw someone link to one claiming it shows Clinton "knows how bad Muslim immigration is in Europe privately yet still supports bringing refugees to America. I realized at a glance that it was an email sent TO Podesta FROM an email based in the Netherlands and full of conspiracy crank Bullshit. I read part of a speech transcript that was cited as evidence of favoring "self-regulation," what I read seemed more like an appeal to self-interest, which realistically is a lot more productive than sermonizing at someone. I didn't even bother reading the "public vs private" because that describes literally anyone with a functioning frontal lobe.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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tumelapelas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they are kindof doing this already though
caninehere ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is proof she's corrupt. Yes, go take a look at the leaks - there's a lot of information there. And you didn't need those leaks to know it, either, there was plenty of information out there beforehand. Are they proof of corruption? Yes. Are they huge bombshells that are going to rock the entire election? No.
The conversation is not whether or not she's corrupt - she is - it's whether or not that's a big enough deal to the people who support her. Much like Trump's supporters who don't care about anything he says or does, most of Clinton's supporters are similarly blind.
And then on top of that, there's also the factor that many people would STILL vote Clinton even if they DO think she's corrupt, simply because they'd still prefer her over Trump. In the end, both of the candidates deserve to be in prison.
It's sad for the US really - Obama did a lot to raise the US' reputation internationally and even if his reputation is in question in the US he's pretty well-liked internationally. Not so with Clinton, and definitely not so with Trump.
FuriousTarts ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:56:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where is there proof of corruption?
I'm genuinely asking, I've read many of the leaks without any input from one side or another and haven't found anything that made me go "damn, that corrupt POS"
coreytherockstar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:03:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It only took 2 seconds of browsing his post history to see how far up donald's ass he is.
HostisHumanisGeneri ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Concern trolling :/
crazyman882 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now you know why the media + the Dems aren't focusing much on them - there really isn't anything there at all.
Radagastdl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look into the wikileaks yourself, as some places like CNN will nearly refuse to cover them. They are loaded with corruption and scandals that would many government officials in prison
frosty122 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:27:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can you link those that are loaded with corruption and scandals?
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Random_eyes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not taking donations from foreign countries, you're misreading it. It's mentioning foreign registered agents. According to the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), individuals who lobby for foreign governments in Congress, in state legislatures, or to other governmental bodies have to be registered as such, and they have to disclose what their relationship to a foreign government is in a quarterly report.
Really, it's more like, Lobbyist A lobbies for, say, Armenia's interests in Congress. According to this email, this is a policy decision within the Clinton campaign as to whether they would allow Lobbyist A to also raise donations for the campaign. If he's already an Armenian lobbyist, perhaps he's got connections to the Armenian-American community and can raise funds effectively there.
It's not illegal, but it can very easily be misinterpreted as such, which is why that email was being written in the first place. It's less of a "Let's take money from foreign governments!" And more of a "Let's hire people who have worked with foreign governments!" It's not that unusual when you really think about it; Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, was also considered a foreign registered agent at one point, I think.
JurisMacto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would certainly be the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is that they are taking donations from foriegn countries. It could be either or. The fact that hillary's foundation takes charitable donation from suadia arabia and russia would indicate she has no problem taking bribes from foreign countries. Do people here really think hillary isn't corrupt?
iamthegraham ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
"it doesn't show that she's corrupt at all, but if you assume that she's corrupt anyway, then really it actually is proof that she's corrupt!"
Sent1203 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Corruption, probably, but nothing as bad as a Watergate scandal that they make it out to be.
frosty122 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:46:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ok, but i haven't seen any that show that. The one's i've seen have been consistent with Hilary's public pov. The 'soundbites' from the 'wall street' speeches aren't as simplistic as the ones in her general speeches but she's not being a two face about it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no because I believe what everyone else tells me, i have never actually seen a wikileak let alone read the whole thing.
also I hate mexicans
coldWasTheGnd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Name one.
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iamthegraham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not about taking money from foreign countries, it's about letting people who worked for foreign countries raise money in the U.S., from Americans, and donate it to the campaign.
dunkmaster6856 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Media collusion (illegal), accepting foreign donations (illegal and edit also treason), rigging primaries against bernie (illegal), making really sexist ads and and making it look like trump sent them out, there are a bunch more, try reading some
Edit: Edit :citation that foreign donations are illegal.pdf)
coldWasTheGnd ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:44:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not illegal. And you better take a better look at breitbart/Trump collarboration if you truly think that's illegal.
in what world is this illegal?
I don't think you understand how primaries work or how the party system works.
Oh now you're really delusional. She just used his own voice recordings.
Oh I've read plenty, but most of it is innocuous for someone who understands even the slightest bit about the law.
dunkmaster6856 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:49:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So half the shit you wrote is pure bullshit. Accepting foreign donations for a presidential campaign is very illegal. Giving high positions of power for donations to the clinton foundations is highly illegal. The dnc writing and recieving emails to cnn and msnbc on what narrative to push is evidence of pure corruption. That garbage you wrote about brietbart, that is evidence of bias, not collusion, you ctr shill. Ill come back later to call out your bs as i dont have time atm, and am not being paid to do so
Edit :citation that foreign donations are illegal, you liar.pdf)
SithLord13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what he's talking about. He was talking about the DNC posting sexist jobs listings on Craigslist posing as Trump.
tumelapelas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wasn't that like, one intern, and didn't that one intern get fired when the DNC found out?
Kinbaku_enthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like wasserman schultz resigning after stolen nomination from bernie broke and hillary hiring her the same day
tumelapelas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"hiring" her like she "hired" eva longoria, but ok.
SithLord13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It most definitely wasn't one intern as the email record in going over approved verbiage. As to whether it was a small group of rogue actors or if it was approved from further above, and if anyone was punished over it, I'm unaware. Any additional details you have, I'd appreciate.
tumelapelas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
source?
SithLord13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reviewing the email, it was approved by the Communications Director of the DNC
tumelapelas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...who was fired.
also: hardly a smear if they're only allowed to use the candidate's own words; correct me if i'm wrong here, but there's no evidence that the ad was ever posted was it? for all we know someone told them in person to cut that shit out and the whole thing was put to rest.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheScoresWhat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because r/politics is censoring them. If you saw all of them you would not think that way at all.
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LiterallyKesha ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But then again, Trump has said and done some pretty messed up things. Even regarding his policies and the media pretty much move on very quickly to the next one. It's almost surprising at this point that the sexual assault thing stuck because so many others didn't. The media does have different standards for both candidates; they are conditioned to think Trump not blurting something offensive is an indicator that he has won whatever debate is going on.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You REALLY haven't been paying any attention at all then.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really wasn't much there? where did you hear that one from? They're loaded with terrible things.
nwatn ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:04:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such as? Everything I've read is pretty standard of a politician honestly
animosityiskey ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:17:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to know as well. Everything I've seen is people grasping at straws or intentionally misunderstanding context.
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animosityiskey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay. Is that illegal?
bsievers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the email is talking about is legal. It's basically American PACs who represent foreign countries. Not foreign individuals. It can kinda look bad, but it's one of those "everyone does it so they're all equally bad" type things.
Taking money from foreign individuals would be illegal.
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JurisMacto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao. You just bitched about people not linking to the damning wiki leaks. Then when some one does you start bitching about that too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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JurisMacto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't throwing money at her. They are giving her money in return for favors. If she becomes president we will have a president that owes foreign countries favors.
tumelapelas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:34:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
source?
Ghostronic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are like the 8th person in this thread to say they are loaded with terrible things but can't name one that is atypical to politics.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being not atypical to politics doesn't preclude them from terrible
Ghostronic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:27:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that, can you name these terrible things though?
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, of course I can.
(1) Clinton, to the general public, and certainly to most of her supporters, is very much for regulating Wall St. and even going as far to jail these bankers. However, WikiLeaks shows that she was recently paid $675,000 by Goldman to give speeches. In those speeches, she talks a lot about free trade and how regulations could hamper what happens on Wall Street and that there is no reason to "maim what isn't broken." Furthermore, at these speeches she expressed her approval of fracking, something that she is publicly against, pretty much. In a debate in March she said "So by the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place. And I think thatโs the best approach, because right now, there are places where fracking is going on that are not sufficiently regulated." However, in her speech to big $$$$ donors she says "Or with the new technology known as fracking, we are truly on a path -- and it's not just United States; it's all of North America -- that will be net energy exporters assuming we do it right.โ
Senator Sanders asked her to release the transcripts of these speeches during the primaries, which she of course declined to do. She is not flat out lying, but there is certainly deception on one end or the other.
(2) Clinton to the public seems to be very big on protecting women's rights. โI want to send a message to every survivor of sexual assault: Donโt let anyone silence your voice. You have the right to be heard. You have the right to be believed, and weโre with you.โ Yeah, except Wikileaks reveals that her campaign was working to collect data and evidence to discredit a Bill Clinton accuser. Ouch.
(3) She was given questions ahead of time while running against Senator Sanders.
Those are the only substantiated claims I have personally seen so far, but I am sure that there are more.
Like you said, not exactly anything that is not "atypical to politics" but I like to hold my politicians to higher standards.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did to the comment you replied under lol..... relax. You seem to have anger issues.
VoluntaryZonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Internet is slow, my bad yo. Great response.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
must be really slow lol
rhinguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows? The news hasn't mentioned it.
downyellow ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what CNN says
Kinbaku_enthusiast ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:13:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was so little there that assange's internet was cut and now they're pressuring ecuadorian embassy to expel assange.
https://twitter.com/VerizonSupport/status/787890336270090240 https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/status/787858612844695552
Kinbaku_enthusiast ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a few of the things:
It showed that she was involved in deleting emails after she had received the subpoena from congress to hand over the emails. This is highly illegal. http://netrightdaily.com/2016/10/worse-watergate-wikileaks-proves-clinton-emails-deleted-congressional-subpoena/
They considered not turning over the emails to and from potus, in other words obama, meaning he too knew about the illegal email server http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-releases-one-devastating-email-hillary-tried-hide/
It showed podesta from her campaign discussing wetwork (assassination) 3 days before supreme court just scalia died alone on a ranch and no autopsy was done. http://truepundit.com/podesta-emailed-about-an-assassination-three-days-before-supreme-court-justice-scalias-suspicious-death/
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah, because Trump is not corrupt at all and is very trustworthy.
ExtraCheesyPie ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:53:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Immigrants have experienced the struggles, and know it's not fair to go through legal channels while others can enter willy nilly. Good on them.
nopalix ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cannot discount the fact that some immigrants have it much easier than others. Those in the position of power or wealth can more easily immigrate than someone living in poverty.
Even the process of assimilation is tied to resources. It boggles my mind when people think immigrants don't want to learn English.
PrimalPower ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:29:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I think the underlying argument is people would rather have wealthier immigrants coming into the country rather than poorer ones. The legal immigration process exists not just to minimize the strain on the US from immigration, but the process exists in a way ensure that immigration helps the US.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:36:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point. We want skilled immigrants that contribute to the country. It's not supposed to be a charity.
railfanespee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jupiterswrath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May as well chop that plaque off, we worship the Almighty Dollar here above all else now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
America needed more people then. Now it doesn't.
_bitchola_ ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:35:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I agree with your first paragraph and frankly think it's a little hypocritical that op's grandparents would be Trump supporters, in a way implying that not all immigrants are as worthy as they are to have the opportunity to live here. Because come on...we all know that Trump really is racist deep down and if he could he'd probably send away all people of color, regardless of whether they came here legally or illegally.
That being said..I know for a fact that a lot of people don't have any interest in learning English. Out of my whole family, only my mom, my aunt, and 2 of my uncles have bothered to learn. I'm all for keeping your culture alive (in fact, I plan to exclusively speak Spanish to my future children when they are young and teach them English only once they are fluent in Spanish), but a lot of immigrants have no interest in even attempting to assimilate at least a little bit. The fact that we're in SoCal doesn't help matters much. Everyone speaks Spanish here and you could live your whole life not speaking a single word of English.
bobandgeorge ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that more of a "I got mine, fuck everyone else" mentality?
ExtraCheesyPie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:17:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's more of a "go through the right channels" mentality.
WilliamofYellow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:46:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hardly, unless they want Mexicans to be prevented from immigrating legally.
Remember- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:10:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Really? I thought you were white
Or wait no you're not white, you're black
The fact that you lie about your race to fit whatever argument you are currently making shows just how racist those policies you preach really are. You wouldn't have to pretend to be black to defend a racist policy if it wasn't racist, or pretend to be mexican to defend an overreaching immigration policy. It's legit sad because deep down you know that you need to pretend to be a race just to give a policy some legitimacy
TheScoresWhat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your racist
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Canadian I never understood this, you don't think Trump is going to be corrupt? Hillary was always corrupt, everyone knew this just like every other Washington insider. But we know what type of corruption Hillary is involved with, we can deal with it. Trump on the other hand is clearly corrupt, but crazy enough to do things that Hillary would never do.
Teslafishy ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:10:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of twisted logic is this.
Ardarail ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 17:15:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...I mean, it's kind of true. People act like Trump some kind of savior for the working class American when he's demonstrably a corrupt criminal. Hillary is certainly corrupt but her motives are far more understandable to me than Trump. He's a wildcard that could might just sell out completely or go off the rails. Or both. Just look at his comments on things like torture and nukes. If you step back and actually take his claims seriously, it's fucking terrifying.
Teslafishy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you mean, I'm personally not a fan of either. But from what I've seen Hillary is way more dangerous then Trump.
Hillary and co are actively trying to start a war with Russia. They've been trying to make Russia look a lot worse than they really are. By the way, I'm not saying Russia is a saint, but they're not worse then America. There's billions to be made in the war industry.
Trump is actively TRYING TO STOP the war with Russia. He's not trying to make them into cartoon villains, a Trump presidency will be A LOT more peaceful then a Hillary one.
And about calling a Trump a wild card. We both haven't seen how he would behave when president, though his personality doesn't seem very presidential indeed.
yeaheyeah ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:31:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What war with russia
exiledegyptian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
have you not been reading the news?
tumelapelas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:36:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
by allowing himself and potentially the country to become Putin's pawns? how is that any better than a war?
Ardarail ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:45:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely I agree Trump's rhetoric on Russia is much better and his rhetoric on foreign policy as a whole is usually much better (at least when he's not advocating torturing and killing civilians). There's no doubt Hillary's a warmonger. However I would counter that argument with Trump's VP. We can deduce from what he's said in the past that Mike Pence would likely have a massive amount of influence over foreign policy. And Pence's comments regarding Syria and Russia have practically mirrored Hillary's. So essentially you're getting shitty, warmongering foreign policy either way.
Teslafishy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:46:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like you guys are getting turd no matter which side wins :(
murdermeformysins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if you don't listen to various reddit hiveminds its pretty clear that Clinton is way more experienced and basically a continuation of Obama with a bit of Sanders thrown in.
But most of reddit is way too big into Trump/Anti-Trump for that to actually happen.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:20:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Seagull84 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:31:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is Trump giving more tax breaks to the wealthy and corporations not selling out? You're delusional if you think either candidate isn't 100% sellout. You're even more delusional if you think camp Trump isn't dangerously cult like.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is not bought and paid for by the wealthy corporations and individuals. Hillary has already sold out, Trump has not, nor has to sell out, since he has a fortune already. So no, he is not a 100% sellout.
Soaringeagle78 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:07:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just because someone is wealthy does not mean in any way that they may not be looking to increase their wealth more. That's terrible reasoning.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does say that he'd survive without needing handouts, something that couldn't be said about Hillary.
KargBartok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting a few million dollars from your dad is a handout. And Hillary made her money her way. I may not agree with the job, but she got paid for writing books and giving speeches. In fact, I'm willing to bet the Clinton's are more self made than Trump.
fielderwielder ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:02:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If he has a fortune already and doesn't have to do desperate, corrupt things for more money than why was he perpetrating wholesale fraud with Trump University as little as 5 years ago. Also, hawking steak and bottled water like a cheap informercial salesman? That's not the behaviour of a billionaire.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unsubstantiated.
Lending his name to products to earn extra money? Unheard of..
fielderwielder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not unheard of for actors who have blown their whole fortune on coke and hookers and cars and need to pay off their debts. It is 100% unheard for real billionaires who actually have liquidity.
And yeah, it's unsubstantiated because his fraud case is still in the courts, but the evidence is there.
murdermeformysins ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:02:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
debatable
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:50:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is that debatable?
Seagull84 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:02:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cutting taxes for yourself is the very definition of selling out. It's just not in the traditional sense.
Thumper13 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know that do you?
Where are his taxes? Nobody should be allowed in the office without revealing their financial interests and potential conflicts.
We have all these leaks on Hillary, which I'm fine with. But we don't know enough about Trump. How does that not worry you?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying the fact that Trump has managed to not leak his emails should worry me?
Thumper13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea how you get that.
We have no idea about many details about Trump because he doesn't release his taxes. His plans are hyperbole, no details again.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:37:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's absolutely nothing that could be worse in Trump's taxes than what we already know about Hillary. The terrorism funders are not going to be funding Trump..
Thumper13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:41:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You keep that head in the sand.
FuriousTarts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is literally rich because he was bought out by bankers.
Ardarail ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We know Trump is a sellout as well... The list is endless; using charity funds for personal purchases, giving unreasonably high amounts of campaign donation to his own businesses, accepting money from special interests, etc. etc. For gods sake he condemned Jeb Bush viciously for taking money from Woody Johnson, citing it (and rightly so) as an example of corruption, then turned around and employed him. Oh but he didn't want to. Of course it was all the RNC pushing it on him...
Look I'll grant you his rhetoric is often much better than Clinton (when he's not spouting batshit insane things about breaking international laws). But his actions? The only thing we don't know is if he will only sellout moderately or to the extreme degree the Clintons have.
KargBartok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget that he bribed an Attorney General to drop the case against his University.
Sent1203 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing; we already know what Clinton is. On the surface, trump is nothing good, but it's terrifying to think what idiot things he's going to do if president.
coldWasTheGnd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Did you forget that Trump University existed?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FuriousTarts ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:58:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's easy to say he's never been a sellout as a politician when he's never been a politician.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FuriousTarts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's...
...not the point I was making at all.
KargBartok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:41:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he doesn't have a clean slate to begin with. He abused charity rules, he bribed an Attorney General to drop a case against Trump University, he endorsed Trump University, he openly advocates sexually harassing women, and he can't keep a political thought straight for more than 5 words without immediately reverting to "Hillary Crook! Blame ISIS!"
Cha-Le-Gai ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:16:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Clintons are corrupt and took bribes, and have been in bed with Arab oil for years, and are kind of shitty two faced people. Yea, that's not news. To me they are part of the the same system as everyone else in politics. They do enough good to stay in power, so they continue to be low key selfish. Trump is 100% selfish, and doesn't care about doing good, even to keep up appearances.
Those little Trump girls who sang at his rally? He didn't pay them. All those lawsuits he won't settle because "when you settle people sue you more?" He's settled. He's a liar with no grip on reality and the instability is dangerous. Clinton is the status quo to a very shitty system, but until a lot of political changes start being made we're better off with the devil we know, than the devil we don't.
Plus Trump and Hillary are friends from way back. We only think we have a choice in the election. Right now I'm voting Hillary not because I want her to win. I hate her, she's horrible. But I'm voting for her because I actively want to see Trump. I hate him more, and I like watching him complain, and I really want to see the his public fallout.
As for the question asked in the thread. I teach fourth grade, and avoid politics in class like the plague. My class is 100% immigrant American. With most them being the children of immigrants, some are recent arrivals themselves, and every single one has immigrant family. Like immediate family. Grandparents, aunts, uncles. Yet I still have a lot Trump supporters. The funny is the kids from countries not Mexico, who hate Mexicans, and think Trump only wants to kick the Mexicans out. They're all for that. Little Guatamalen, Salvadorean racists. One boy, he's the son of immigrants. His dad is in jail for robbery, and his brother is in jail for drug dealing, and mom doesn't work, and lives off welfare. Trump supporter. I just want to grab him and shake him and tell him, you're the people Trump hates.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly how I feel! Thank you so much for the awesome response.
Regarding the little racist Guatemalan and Salvadorian kids, its crazy because you know they learned it from their parents, and their parents believing they somehow are exempt from Trump's racism is astounding enough. But the real issue is that Trump might not even be a racist, I honestly think he is just a master panderer and is saying what a huge amount of the American populations wants to hear. Have you seen these people foaming at the mouth screaming at his rallies? It's neofascism, there's no question. A large percentage of the American population is racist and if we let these people's opinions matter, and the Republican party as a whole starts catering to them then God help anyone who isn't white and Christian in the US.
Cha-Le-Gai ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:58:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Republican party is dead. Conservative radicals killed it, and put on its clothes, and are masquerading around trying to pull a "Talented Mr Ripley". The Democrats are crazy too, but you can see it's been a gradual change in opinion. Considering I'm a Hispanic atheist I'm actually really conservative on a lot of issues. I was pro Bush both elections, but I was also pro Obama both times too. I've become pretty disillusioned with American politics and have become cynical. I feel that my life will have little impact from this election, but I fear my daughter's future. I'm also a veteran, and imagining Trump as commander of the armed forces makes me sick to my stomach. I liked a lot of the things Clinton did in the 90s but I'm not a fan of his military and security actions. I expect similar public policies from Hillary, but a slightly different military strategy from her. Whether that's good or bad is unknown. With Trump, I can't imagine any good scenarios. He's a thin skinned, coward, with a short fuse, and no geopolitical or historical understanding, plus no real foreign experience.
Here's what I don't get. In 2012 a moderate Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, beat out a bunch of crazy right wing idiots, and then nearly beat a very popular sitting president. Do you know how many times a sitting president has lost reelection? It's not a whole lot, and hell Bush Sr. lost to Clinton. Bill was very popular so it's understandable, but Romney was no Bill. But instead of going with a moderate Republican who could appease the base and do well in the general, the party instead chose to double down on crazy with even more right wing idiot candidates, and a nominee who's a mess. And none of them stood a chance in the general except maybe Rubio, and more likely Bush. Except JEB! didn't have his father's wisdom and character, or his brothers charisma and likeability. And Rubio is secretly a 12 year old child. 12 year olds cant run for president. The fact that Cruz is even is state senator is because he was unknown who lied his little ass off. I'm from Texas and everyone I know who voted for him regrets it. But it's not going to be easy to replace him because he's racist and bigoted, and most Texans are too, and they don't think with logic and reason, they think with footballs and Bibles.
MerryTexMish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are your thoughts about Paul Ryan's status as the great hope of the GOP for 2020 or 2024?
Cha-Le-Gai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I don't have thoughts on his political run for president, but mainly because he hasn't announced a run so I haven't gone in depth to his background like I would for those who actually ran. But as a politician in general I think he's childish and indecisive. He was considered the great hope for the party, particularly in terms of finance and economic policy. But his bills, voting history, and speeches don't add up. I can't go into too much detail since I'm going from memory and as I said I haven't followed him too much. But he's on the list of people to look at more closely jut because he's coming off as someone gearing up for a big political jump in the near future. He's smart, but he's dumb enough to think he has a chance for president and won't stay speaker for long. But I'll say this, he's low on my priorities, but he's popular and competent enough that I didn't dismiss him completely like I did with someone like Caine, Fiorina, Chaffee, or Carson. But I also that O'Malley would have done better. Not good, just better than he did. It's been difficult to go through all the nominees and potential nominees lately. Unlike the last few years and elections when I had the time to go through so much data and records. Also, like I said in an earlier post I've gotten real cynical and jaded which skews my bias.
MerryTexMish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your reply. I was just curious. While I think most people can agree that the GOP is in freefall, there are so many different perspectives on how that will play out in the future -- and so many POV on the part Ryan will play in that.
Cha-Le-Gai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong. I like Ryan overall, and he probably should play a much bigger role. But the party doesn't speak for me, and I'm not their demographic. For Ryan, he's a likable guy, a right leaning moderate, who is open to communication and bipartisanship. But that's also his biggest problem. You have to woo the base and theyve made it clear they prefer racist and crazy.
Racism and stupidity are not political platforms, they're behavior that should not be tolerated. Partisanship, and compromise are keys to a functional government and the last 8 years are a huge warning sign of what happens when no one talks or compromises. You get half assed attempts at medical reform like ACA, or you get unfair and bad policies that get passed out of spite, like the 9/11 victims bill which Obama vetoes but then was overridden. Then Mitch McConnell says it was a mistake to overturn the President veto. Like, no shit that's a bad bill you idiot. The country is divided and it's showing too much in politics. Trump should not be the voice of the people, conservative or otherwise. Hillary is an acceptable alternative. And again I think she's corrupt so don't think of this as an endorsement. I would like Ryan to run, maybe him winning the caucus would be a good thing. But right now he has no chance of winning the base. Hell Boehner couldn't win the base. He was drummed out of his party for being a liberal, commie, traitor because all he wanted to do was unite the two sides of the aisle in order to have a meaningful discussion on compromises to be made in policy reform. Or as it's been called in the past, his job.
I used to be very conservative, particularly about the economy, spending, and foreign policy, while also very liberal on social issues. I think gays should be allowed to get married, no caveats, just get married, be entitled to benefits. But that's not a popular opinion with my guns and Bibles colleagues and friends in Texas. And I'm in Houston. Imagine Cowfucksville, Texas. They're much worse on liberal ideals.
MerryTexMish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Believe me, I know. I'm in SA but have plenty of small-town connections as well. Still, even knowing what I know about the perspective of rural Texans, I will admit I've been shocked at Trump's support. I NEVER thought he'd get the nomination and never could've foreseen his continued popularity following so very many gaffs.
It's one thing to be anti-PC, but this is a whole 'nother level.
tumelapelas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why the fuck are you getting downvoted for asking a straightforward question on /r/AskReddit??
danhern ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Salvadorean checking in, most of my family are clinton "supporters" (don't like clinton, but hate trump enough to vote for her).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is already a billionaire, he doesn't need any more money. He can't be bought
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:25:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many billionaires are satisfied with their current level of wealth? They always want more, that's Capitalism. More importantly though is that corruption isn't just accomplished through money. It can be done through power, associations, hell even sex and we have seen Trump has a big problem with controlling himself in that regard.
There are billionaires, and then there are billionaires with deep, DEEP political inroads, connections, and relationships. Trump is certainly not one of those types of billionaires but he desperately wants to be. It's the promise of letting him into the "big boys club" that is going to let the elites play him like a fiddle.
He's the unpopular kid who gets invited to hang out with the cool kids, but the cool kids get him to do all their dirty work and humiliate himself without any intention of letting him into the club.
Trump doesn't have the self control or the critical thinking skills to be able to keep his autonomy and "principles" against that kind of pressure. He'll just become a puppet, Hillary already is a puppet but at least she is restricted by how the democratic party wants to present itself to the public.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure the multibillionare with the model wife and buildings in every major american city's skyline cares about what other billionaires think about him. They all hate him, Trump knows this and doesn't care. As for the sex part, all of the allegations are clearly made up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:46:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course he cares! Have you seen how he freaks out when people criticize him? Someone who is self confident doesn't act that way.
You are listening to way too much right-wing propaganda, and as someone who seems to be keen and dismantling the left's propaganda you think you would be able to rationalize that the right does it too. Think for yourself man, you are being fed disinformation just as much as any Hillary Clinton fanboy.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone accused you of being a sex offender wouldn't that offend you as well? Trump has plenty of friends, he doesn't need the approval of anyone else. He's got everything he needs!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read this in Trump's voice, it's scary how much you have internalized his persona... But to address your point you'r wrong, he first needs the approval of the American people and secondly its evident he needs to approval of the media because he cries whenever he feels he's being picked on by it.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain his sound plans, everything I've read as a student of political science has been clear that his economic and foreign policy plans would spell disaster for America and furthermore the world economy. This isn't just liberals, I'm talking about capitalist, free market economists saying his policies would crash the economy.
tumelapelas ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
like what? could you name a few?
edit: why am i being downvoted for asking a serious question on this subreddit?
TheScoresWhat ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her and Obama are currently trying to start a war with Russia just to get her elected. I don't think Trump could get that level of corrupt if he spent the rest of his life trying
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:18:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You really believe that Obama and Hillary Clinton want to go to war with Russia to win the election? The polls and projections for Trump are not looking good despite the enthusiasm over at /r/thedonald.
There are a LOT of things Clinton/Obama/the Democrats could do to ensure victory of Trump. They could do voter fraud if they so wanted, they really could try their very hardest to influence the major media into painting Trump like a bad guy. But they would do ALL of this before going to war with Russia. If you know anything about international politics you know that the economies of the world's leading countries are so intertwined that war between any two major powers could be CATASTROPHE for the world. There is literally no way that Clinton would try to do this for an election she has a 70% chance of winning already.
Dude, don't listen to the Republican/right-wing media, blogs, subreddits, and other news. It's bullshit. So is a lot of the left-wing, Democrat affiliated (MSNBC, CNN) news. It's ALL bullshit.
They are playing you, they are making you afraid so that they can better predict and control how you vote in this election. Don't let them scare you so much.
TL;DR: The entire world including political elites like Clinton, Obama, etc. have too much to lose by allowing war between the US and Russia. It won't happen, they would let Trump win before that.
looking at swing states, that war with the a nuclear armed country is worth it?
nullstring ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is clearly corrupt.. because what, because you say so?
There is no evidence of that what-so-ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has been caught lying consistently throughout his Presedential campaign, there are hundreds of accusations of him not paying his workers, he's been accused of sexual assualt and harassment numerous times, he's a draft dodger, he's been sued for (racial discrimination)[http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/] as a landlord and the list goes on and on and on. He is corrupt, every billionaire is corrupt.
That's the thing, the right could have chosen any billionaire to be the Presedential nominee and challenge the system but they chose the worst possible contender. It's hilarious how you people still support him. Why not Elon Musk? Why not Bill Gates? Too liberal?
VAJAYNUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how your election is between a crooked warmonger and someone proud of sexually assaulting women. Nobody wins!
FantasiainFminor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
News flash: It is almost impossible for a person who wants to immigrate to this country, to work hard and build a better life like your grandparents did and my great-great grandparents did, to do so legally. The exceptions are people with a close family member who's a citizen, highly-skilled people sponsored by an employer, and a handful of others.
We need a reform so that hard-working people who want to come here and be productive can do so within the law. We do not need a stupid wall.
"What part of legal immigration don't you understand?"
TheScoresWhat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:50:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We brought in over 1.7 million legal immigrants last year and we currently have over 42.1 million legal living immigrants in the US. Tell me again how it's impossible to get legal citizenship here? Also please show me any other country in the world with more immigration than the US. I'm guessing you are an open borders person. If not, how many immigrants do you think we OWE legal status to? How many is enough for you? 1.7 million a year seems quite generous to me seeing as though most countries don't do 1/1000th of that. Why aren't Asian countries taking in any immigrants? Why are middle eastern countries closing their borders and allowing ZERO immigration? Why is Mexico building a southern wall and rounding up immigrants to deport them at a much higher rate than the US? Why can't Americans legally own property in Mexico? The double standards especially from Mexico with the way they handle immigration is dumbfounding. How can you defend that?
FantasiainFminor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty bizarre line of argument. "If Egypt does it, it must be a good idea, so we should follow their lead! If Mexico does it, we don't want to fall behind! We should follow their lead!"
I, on the other hand, base my argument on what is good for the US, which is a different kind of logic.
And yes, we do have legal immigrants -- as I indicated, high-skilled, plus family members, plus some refugees who eventually become naturalized, plus some "Visa lottery" winners. But for a blue-collar worker who wants to come --- like my great-great grandfather --- it's almost impossible. These are the hated "illegals." We need to reform our law to create a way for them to be here legally.
TheScoresWhat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you just avoided everything I said and every question I asked.
VoluntaryZonkey ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:03:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn man, I don't agree with your position at all but you were snubbed hard from a good answer.
mountainJs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:12:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just curious but if you don't like Trump and can't trust Hillary, why not vote third party?
TheScoresWhat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great question. I like the libertarian candidate but based on all of the corruption going on with Hillary and her obvious goal of creating a war with Russia I feel like stopping her is more important. I don't want to live through another Cold War with Russia
VoluntaryZonkey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is there evidence Clinton wants war against Russia? (Genuine question, trying to educate myself here)
TheScoresWhat ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She has repeatedly attacked Russia verbally over the past two months especially recently in the debates. Her campaign smears Russia a few hundred times daily. She herself has called for a no fly zone over Syria which means shooting down Russians. Two days ago the Obama administration announced that they are "probably" planning a cyber attack on Russia to demoralize and embarrass them. This appears to be a move to get the attention away from what is in the Wikileaks which is damning and focus on Russia who they still can't PROVE is behind the attack. Announcing that we will cyber attack Russia or shoot down their planes could lead to world war 3. It really looks like they are doing this to get her elected
PromptedHawk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they consider it as throwing their vote away, and because they all think that, it'll never happen until Trump is elected and people start to look at their options more seriously. Since that will most probably not happen...
mountainJs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see this "throwing your vote away" argument a lot. I understand not voting gives other votes more power, but isn't it still better to vote than not at all?
PromptedHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it's better to vote. The problem is that because they feel they're locked to a two party system and rather vote to the opponent of the one they don't want in office rather than voting for the one they do want in office. I personally think every citizen everywhere should read the summarized manifesto of all parties before voting.
MerryTexMish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:16:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Voting just to vote may be better on principle when you think that the GOP and Dem candidates are equally bad and you can't bring yourself to vote for either. If you lean towards one being even a smidge better than the other one, you vote for him/her and not your third-party candidate who has no chance of actually winning.
I can't stand Hillary or Trump, but I am voting for the one whom I see as the lesser of two pretty evil evils. Not voting, or voting for a candidate who can't possibly win, could definitely have a real impact on an election like this year's, especially if a large enough number of fed up people do it.
mountainJs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's how I've been thinking too. If enough people would actually vote 3rd party it could give them more legitimacy in a national election. Especially after this joke of an election cycle
MerryTexMish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But enough people won't -- at least not in this election. If the next election, or the one after that, somehow gives us choices that the public finds as bad as these, maybe that movement will take hold. Until then, I don't think enough people will be willing to go 3rd party and risk victory by the GOP/Dem candidate they find the most repugnant.
Imaletyoufinish_but ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Riiiiiiight. You just recently decided to vote Trump after the Wikileaks emails. So, your pro-Trump comment history dating back weeks before the email release was just you getting ready for the leak. Quit your bullshit.
Slutallitits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same with my brother and even my dad. They are Trump supporters while my mother is a Hillary supporter. But then again, my brother as misogynistic as Trump and my dad never made his own decisions when it comes to voting. He just voted for whoever my mom voted and when my brother was old enough to vote, my dad voted for whoever my brother voted.
I'd like to think I was adopted. I miss Bernie..
TheScoresWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have read so much about Donald Trump being a trailblazer in putting women in powerful business positions that I'm kind of appalled how he is blanket painted as a misogynist. It's no secret that Donald has never forced a filter over his every word and realistically everyone I know in life has said plenty of non PC things that if dissected, taken out of context or cut into a single statement would not be well accepted if you paint the narrative that you can define them and their whole life as a person for those comments. I feel like the media and lots of people are completely ignoring or don't know what he has actually DONE for several decades. He put the first woman ever in charge of building a skyscraper, he opened up multiple golf courses to people of all backgrounds when historically they were reserved for white, male protestants. He has multiple female, Jewish, black, etc.. high level employees and has won NAACP awards. The totality of his actions in life have been stripped away and the media has told us we are only allowed to focus on these few words or things that may be completely out of context or even a flat out lie. What bothers me the most is that in the recent Wikileaks releases we have 100% proof of the Clinton campaign and the democrat party colluding with many people in the mainstream media going as far as to give them debate questions and ability to edit stories before they release them. How much more of this is going on that we don't know about? How deep does it go? When the media is an arm of a political party in another country we all come together and condemn that action but 1/2 or more of our population seems to not care at all that we just received definitive proof it's happening hear. It's also shameful that the admins have allowed our largest political subreddit to be taken over by a paid branch of a political party and they do nothing to stop the censorship.
murdermeformysins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he's losing the women vote because most people think he's committed sexual assault dude
TheScoresWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The media sure does love to paint it that way. Any outsider without bias can 100% say the whole thing is collusion between the Hillary campaign and the media. It pretty blatant and obvious
murdermeformysins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so anyone who has bothered to watch the tape where he said he pressured women and read the various press releases that the women have put out and came to an opinion different to yours is biased?
it doesn't even matter if they're lying tho. Its about what people think and people think he's a creep so he's probably gonna lose
TheScoresWhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What matters is how it's presented. The media is working overtime to push this narrative while completely ignoring (purposefully) issues surrounding Hillary.
murdermeformysins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:19:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do you ever think that the people who read the news mostly care more about the sexual assault thing more than the emails?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheScoresWhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Image of the entire exchange: https://i.sli.mg/Y3cBg5.png
Wikileaks link: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915
According to the FEC:
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Edit: Imaad Zuberi, one of the donors on that list, is already in hot water for failing to follow the FARA guidelines. Very shady!
http://freebeacon.com/issues/clinton-bundler-faced-no-punishment-failing-register-foreign-government-work/
Slinkyfest2005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Better a corrupt politician than a narcissist with nuclear access and thin skin.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:38:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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babybelly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:00:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
clinton wasnt that bad. i think it is a choice between no change and trump
changee_of_ways ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:53:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? To me Clinton will be just more of what we have had for the last 20 years from both parties. That's not what I want by any means, but Trump has pretty much fucked up everything he's done in his life. I can't imagine the damage he'd do.
methshin ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't the last 20 years been shit?
jheono ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:57:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By the facts? No. According to Fox News? Sure...
methshin ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Constant wars, recession, housing collapse, 9/11 and other acts of domestic terrorism, massive immigration, poorly handled natural disasters, banking bailout, automotive industry bailout...
Yeah, shits been great.
incognitobanjo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:02:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been as good as it ever has. I'm not saying the world is great, but the world has always been pretty shitty and it's less shitty now than it ever has been, it's just that there's much more news coverage.
methshin ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, drink up.
FantasiainFminor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm...
Everything on that list except for the immigration happened mainly during the 8 years of Republican control. The Clinton years and the Obama years have been very good, and the next Clinton years would follow the same mold.
And as for "massive immigration," the best evidence is that immigrants are good for our economy. The rational approach is to create a way for the undocumented workers to achieve legal status and ideally a pathway to citizenship.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:08:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So... three of those things are the same. The bank bailout was caused by the recession which was caused by the housing collapse.
sitchinator ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Best we've had so far, actually. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427758/careful-panic-violent-crime-and-gun-crime-are-both-dropping-charles-c-w-cooke
methshin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those are two figures.
Constant wars, recession, housing collapse, 9/11 and other acts of domestic terrorism, massive immigration, poorly handled natural disasters, banking bailout, automotive industry bailout... Yeah, shits been great.
angus725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
America starts and/or intervenes in a lot of wars yes. But would Donald Trump start less wars? Boot on the ground or bombs from the sky is a small difference. But if Iran merely insulted Trump, wouldn't he simply invade their country too? By having a more reactive candidate, you are running a bigger risk of getting involved in larger wars that could have been prevented with diplomacy.
Recession, Housing collapse, all the bailouts
Capitalism has boom and bust cycles; recessions and depressions are a normal part of it. Donald Trump plans on repealing the Dodd-Frank, which is regulation that protects consumers from the failure of banks. Watch this video here, which gives a fairly to the point purpose of the Dodd-Frank http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dodd-frank-financial-regulatory-reform-bill.asp
Terrorism, immigration
The more people are segregated, the more intolerant they become of each other. You see this in France, where there are Muslim ghettos that spawns terrorists like crazy. In Canada, Syrian refugees are being integrated with western society via education. In general, terrorism isn't a problem of law enforcement, but a problem of society as a whole. The other part of terrorism is the mentally-unstable from any extremist organization, left, right, religious or cult. If mental health was covered under health insurance for the poor (who are the ones who can't afford health insurance), then this problem would be less dramatic. However, that's not the case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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methshin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever you say.
PM_ME_DUCKS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'll find much worse if you go back further. Race riots that make ours seem tame, diseases (think polio) wiping out thousands, world wars that kill off huge parts of populations, a great depression that makes our little recession seem like child's play, the ever present threat of nuclear war - having students go into school basements regularly for nuclear bomb raid drills. People who think that things are so bad today compared to the past clearly never experienced or paid attention to history. It's not perfect, but we're improving. The only thing that has really changed is media exposure and reporting on the negatives, which have increased the perception of problems massively.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, can I introduce you to the 1920's?
methshin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean the thirties.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1929 to be exact, but that's pedantic on my end.
changee_of_ways ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They haven't been 100% great, i could have done without the war in Iraq that the last Republican administration started, or the erosion of the 4th Amendment, that the last Republican administration started. It would have been great not to have the recession that started in the last Republican administration too, although I think that both parties bear partial blame for that and some was structural. Other than that it's been ok. can you think of a 20 year period that was better and tell us why you think it was?
Radagastdl ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary has BOASTED about wanting to go to war with Russia. That will definitely be change from the past 20 years, and it will be even worse
FantasiainFminor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling BS on this. Source?
h_keller3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When has she boasted about wanting to go to war with Russia? I've only heard her say the opposite.
changee_of_ways ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit can we get a source? trying to get through this election like an adult while people just talk bullshit out their ass is going to give me a stroke.
Radagastdl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton: โYouโve seen the reports. Russiaโs hacked into a lot of things, Chinaโs hacked into a lot of things. Russia even hacked into the Democratic National Committee. Maybe even some state election systems? So we gotta step up our game. Make sure we are well defended and make sure we are able to take the fight to those who go after us. As president I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyber attacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic and military responses.โ
Of course any president would respond similarly to a hack, but the difference here is the inclusion of Russia and China. There is no evidence whatsoever that russia or china were behind any recent hackings. Hillary is basically saying above that if russia were to be falsely blamed for anything else like they already have, there would be an immediate serious military response
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:37 on October 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, there is. Basically all of our intelligence organizations say so. Stop lying.
Radagastdl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:36 on October 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First of all, russia openly denies the hack. Their claim has little credibility, but not much less than our own corrupt government. Second, none of the hacking would be in Russia's best interests. Putin does not want nuclear war with the United States, something that hillary keeps pushing for. Third, only 2 government organizations have weighed in this: DNI and DHS. Hillarys claim of "17 different intelligence agencies" during the debate was a blatant lie. She was promptly called out of this by Wikileaks and others.
You also have to realize that hillary's private server was so insecure that it would not have needed a concentrated effort by a foreign nation to hack it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:32 on October 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it is. Trump winning is in Russia's best interests. He wants to severely weaken NATO and lessen support for allies and other nations. That leaves a vacuum for countries like Russia and China to fill and they will. Trump also wants us to take more isolationist trade policies which again benefit China and Russia who will look to expand their trade abroad while ours shrinks.
And Wikileaks is an actively pro-Trump organization at this point so their "calling out" is worthless. They've tainted themselves with partisanship.
Radagastdl ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:50 on October 24, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wikileaks does not approve of trump, but they are more anti-corruption than anything. The money laundering and more going on in the DNC and Clinton foundation is mind boggling, and Wikileaks are simply exposing it. Exposing governments used to be journalists' job, but it is now left to Wikileaks. Because of the Clintons' massive history of scandals that are getting exposed, it seems like they are pro-trump. They are not.
Your claim that Putin would hack the DNC to attempt to influence the election, for a benefit of trade while at the extremely heavy cost of nuclear war, is absurd. War benefits no one other than the Clinton Foundation.
solsangraal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:04:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so this guy who can dish it out but loses control when someone dishes back... should get the nuclear codes
that's cool. i've always wanted to wander around a neighborhood in real life that looks like fallout 3
yeartwo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't bother you that there's nothing that damning in the Wikileaks docs, or that Wikileaks has demonstrated it has an editorial position in what it leaks or doesn't?
VoluntaryZonkey ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, having an editorial position in this leak is not a bad thing. The one thing I'd want to see, no matter who I support, is the BAD stuff, why would I want to read through not-bad sounding emails?
yeartwo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except their editorial stance means they're really just supporting some parties who want to keep information from you. And the slow drip of information as opposed to dropping it all at once means you can't be sure you've heard everything relevant.
With the DNC leaks, Wikileaks included the personal information of tons of donors, and with leaks relevant to the Turkish coup they included addresses of members of a specific party. They aren't fighting back against a powerful regime, they're hurting citizens and individuals.
They've also tweeted out about Jews controlling the media and Assange himself has suggested there's a "Jewish conspiracy" against him.
Wikileaks would love to pretend they are neutral, and that they are speaking truth to power. Neither is accurate, and they are (unfortunately) not an organization that can be trusted.
edit: when I say they're choosing what to leak and what not to leak, I don't meant they're not leaking not bad emails, I mean they may have information on people they support, which they would schedule or sanitize or suppress.
VoluntaryZonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right that makes sense. If Wikileaks supports party A, negative info on party A may never see the light of day.
spru6 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't his "deportation squad going door to door" and "we'll go around the courts" talk worry you? I mean the dude's literally saying he'll just deport anyone he thinks is an illegal without giving them a fair trial.
TheScoresWhat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not true at all. He wants to deport illegal immigrants which is what the law says you are supposed to do. What you would prefer is that we don't follow the law and arrest people. Do you feel like child rapists shouldn't face legal consequences for breaking the law to?
spru6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down. He wants to deport illegals, yes. And Duterte in the phillipines wants to punish drug dealers. Trump is saying he will deport people he THINKS are illegals without letting the courts decide whether or not they actually are. Mistakes can and would be made if his deportation squad existed and they would target mexican people.
You don't see anything wrong with completing bypassing the courts and just kicking Mexicans out of the country because some government thug decides they're illegal?
TheScoresWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true at all
spru6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....that's literally what he said. Or are you saying that it's not true that mistakes could be made? Because that's just naive.
Once again, he has literally said that he'll create a deportation squad that will go door to door and alleged illegal immigrants won't be given fair trial.
Why are you supporting someone you clearly haven't researched?
TheScoresWhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source? You are lying or misinformed
CharlesDickensABox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:26:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Rather than just tell you that there's not much in those emails, I'll link a story by a major newspaper explaining what they say.
Although really, there's not much there.
Also, can we take a moment to point out that these emails were most likely hacked by the Russian government in order to influence the election? That's a substantive problem, and one that hasn't really been addressed.
Edit: My bad. I brought a source to a meme fight.
TheScoresWhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://i.sli.mg/ANsp59.jpg Read that and tell me it's nothing. It's legally treason.
VPLumbergh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those criticisms would be more compelling if immigrating was easier. It's a bit unreasonable to ask people to wait decades in line and get mad at them for thinking that's unreasonable.
TheScoresWhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1.7 have legally immigrated in the last year. That's more than the next 10 countries combined. How many do you think we should let in? Do you feel that other countries should allow the easy ride to citizenship you are demanding for the US or is ok that they hardly allow anyone in and you just want to attack the US?
VPLumbergh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We also deport the most. That's part and parcel of being the most populous first world country by a large margin. Per capita, we take fewer than other developed nations..
If someone isn't a violent criminal or carrying a communicable disease, they should be allowed in if they want to come. The same rules that applied to "free white men" in America's early days should apply to all people. Unless you want to make the case that it was ok for unlimited "free white men" to immigrate to America but minorities need to be capped off with a quota.
I'm not a fan of locking people in geographic zones based on factors they can't control (place of birth). I believe in freedom and people being able to decide. All countries should have liberal immigration laws, but I live in America so I'm primarily concerned with what goes on here.
Also, criticizing immigration law is not "attacking the US." That's an absurd charge.
___Snoke___ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:03:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1.7 million. The legal immigration process does work, despite what illegal immigration apologists say.
Shantotto11 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even though the majority of illegal immigrants got here legally but just let their visas expire?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Shantotto11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but as a Devil's Advocate, how many of us have put off anything and/or everything that involved is going to a government building? (I.e. Paying court fees, renewing licenses, etc)
TheScoresWhat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should be deported just lie people jumping the border. Illegal is illegal. Just like child rape is illegal and I think they should be arrested
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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_bitchola_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He does hate Mexicans, no big deal, he wouldn't be the first presidential candidate to, I'm sure. Everyone knows this already.
jackgrandal ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
agreed. I have always kind of figured the legal immigrants were getting tired of the illegals coming in the easier way and getting away with it. And your grandparents are right that they don't respect the american culture at all. What a lot of people don't realize is that if you go to any of the southern texas cities (houston, san antonio) they look like a little mini mexico. I haven't been down there in a while, but there's probably more signs/billboards in spanish than there are in english. Like seriously, english is the national language, #$%#ing learn it like all the rest of the immigrants! A lot of other places in the US are a lot more diverse and I don't feel like people understand what it's like to have another culture completely overrun their city like that. Yes we should have immigration and diversity, but legally and not overrunning what the US is about.
MrMedicinaI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
America has no official language though
jackgrandal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so does this mean I have to learn half a dozen different languages? The whole point of using english was so everybody can be on the same page when they talk to each other. That's why other countries have their own national language. You wouldn't move to china and expect to get away only knowing english and not putting forth effort learning chinese. Or mexico to make it more relevant, I would be putting forth a great deal of effort learning their language because that's what it would take to get ahead in their country.
MrMedicinaI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say anything regarding that, I just pointed out the United States has no official language.
astronautassblaster ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your grandparents are true patriots. E Pluribus Unum.
ThrasherBoys ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good people.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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___Snoke___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:09:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that is a complete lie, and she absolutely does support open borders.
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-open-trade-open-border-immigration-policy-for-migrants-2016-10
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-speeches-wikileaks.html
TheScoresWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the personal attack calling my family retarded.
Monsterra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well considering your Mexican family are made up, I don't think they'll mind too much.
iongantas ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your grandparents immigrated legally, you are not Mexican, you are American. It is a problem that you consider yourself Mexican.
lesbiancocksucker ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. My grandpa is very similar (also Mexican). Can you articulate on the corruption comment? To be honest I don't think the leaks are that bad.
TheScoresWhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Colluding with the media and getting debate questions ahead of time. What her and the DNC did to Bernie Sanders to cheat him out of winning. There is a ton of stuff, go check out r/DNCleaks if you want to see them since r/politics has decided to censor them and not allow them to be posted. r/politics is bought and paid for with the help of the admins. Blatant censorship
lesbiancocksucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hm. Maybe I'm blinded by my political leanings. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the DNC is under no obligation to be impartial: they are literally the embodiment of the political establishment, and therefore can be expected to support the establishment candidate. Nothing they did was illegal. Why does that one bother you?
I fully agree that getting a debate question ahead of time is pretty shady.....but to me, it is not earth shattering.
Is there anything else? I'm aware I can research on my own, but I just find when I ask people for specifics on why she is so corrupt / evil people have a hard time articulating answers. It's often more of a feeling than anything based on evidence. Or if they have evidence, it's vague and doesn't go into detail.
In full agreement that /r/politics is a complete echo chamber.....but it was the same way for Bernie when he was viable. Has more to do with reddit's General politics than anything nefarious IMO
rookerer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I play WoW with a guy who is Mexican American, parents are illegal, he's legal. He said "we're (his family) supporting Trump. Way we see it, country is screwed either way, so we might as well get a free trip back to Mexico out of it."
I got a pretty good laugh out of that.
imperialbeach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father in law, who was an illegal immigrant from Mexico (now a citizen) is a huge trump supporter. I really can't wrap my head around it.
yeaheyeah ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:33:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pull the ladder up when you're up
tomdarch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On one hand, all the Mexican-Americans forming negative opinions about this Republican candidate is making Reince Priebus cry inside.
But the fact that it's human nature for many people, regardless of race or circumstance, to want to pull up the ladder after yourself, and to be selfish, helps him to crack a little smile.
Boostin_Boxer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the legal hispanics i work with like him because theit path to citizenship was not easy and they are sick of people sneaking in the country and taking what thwy had to work hard for.
tesseract4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well, not that it's quite the same thing, but I'm sure Hitler didn't do very well amongst the Jewish voting bloc, either.
HotPandaLove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a guy where I work who has "Latinos for Trump" stuff all over. To my surprise, he actually seems like a smart enough and nice dude.
He's white af
diatom15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's the type of racist to lump all Latinos as Mexicans as well. We are united in a language but each have a diverse different culture. The power of the unifying bits though is strong because we're Latinos. And trump lost our vote. Fuck him and his wall. He will lose because Latino women and vets will not vote trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many Mexicans are voting Trump because of his immigration stance. They're legal citizens and don't want more competition in the job market from other Mexicans.
Smgt90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My aunt is Mexican - American and I think she's voting for Trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because they're not very educated
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin's step-dad is Mexican. Voting for Trump. No idea why.
Ptylerdactyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, I thought Trump had a yuge following in the Hispanic community? /s
bisonburgers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which makes perfect sense, but I actually do know someone who is hispanic (so maybe not Mexican, I've never asked) and supports Trump! I have no idea why! She said Obama is bringing in anyone into the country and allowing all these terrorists to come in, and when I said, that's funny, my SO and I have been working hard for years on a visa to get him here and it's really a long and difficult process, her response was it's because he's white.
Ferfrendongles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have and my town is like 85% hispanic. Like most everybody I have ever asked, and I ask a lot (I work at a hotel and ask each guest), have either hated both candidates, supported Trump, or hated Hillary alone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about as white as you can get and I can say the same about my family.
ThatGuyRememberMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting that in California there are a fair few supporters. They don't want illegals giving them a bad name and not paying taxes or w/e
TheSpanishDerp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But dont illegals make little money? Their taxes wouldn't be as significant
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:35:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About half my daughter's class are kids who were born in Mexico.
Our daughter has told us that Trump is mean and that he hates Mexicans and that she wants Hillary to win because she won't make her friends leave the country.
ausername95 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:56:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cute in a sad way lol
arobi37 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 15:48:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their Mexican heritage should obviously disqualify them from holding an opinion on Trump though... /s
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:57:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't the same reasoning exclude Trump from holding an opinion on Mexicans?
arobi37 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:04:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Orange people hold no biases.
hendrix67 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta love them Oompa-Loompas
darktask ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No sweetie, that would be logical
candypuppet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I seriously don't understand how you can vote for Trump, even if he's not biased against your ethnic group in particular. He's made aggressive comments on Mexicans, Muslims, black people and LGBT people. It's not like he just dislikes them; if he's elected, the dude has the actual power to pass laws against them. Even if you're not in one of those groups, shouldn't you at least have some compassion for them?
Richy_T ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK, let's start here: Legislative, executive, judicial. In which branch does the presidency reside?
candypuppet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:30:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For fuck's sake, I used the phrase in a colloquial manner; you should know what I meant. Stop being a fucking smartass.
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I can't know what you meant since that's inside your head. I know what you wrote and it is factually incorrect. You also used the word "actual" which underscores you meaning what you wrote.
Learn to hyperbole better.
The simple truth is, whoever wins, Trump or Clinton, it's not the end of the world since there's a whole political system with checks and balances which is at least somewhat effective. People need to get a grip.
candypuppet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You're being nitpicky about a one-off comment on the internet
Edit:
Wow and here I thought the president has the power to do whatever they want /s
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I am making a one-off nitpicky comment on a one-off comment on the internet (That happens to almost completely defuse your fear-based rhetoric). And?
candypuppet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, I'm just doing some deliberate fear mongering over here. This is a very sensible assumption
Richy_T ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you're the one saying the trump will be passing laws against Mexicans, Muslims, black people and LGBT people when, if nothing else, that's beyond his authority.
candypuppet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you being deliberately obtuse? The point is that Trump has the power to put his bigoted views into motion. I don't need to go into detail as to how; that's pretty self-explanatory. I already said I meant "pass laws" in a colloquial manner and any sensible person would assume just that, but you decided to fight over semantics in order to make condescending comments. Stop with this smartass behaviour
MurrayTheMonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Geez candy, you're way off base. I don't see Trump as bigoted or racist at all. I hear the mainstream media call him that, but that's because they're all pro-Hillary. You need to find some better news sources or start thinking for yourself.
candypuppet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My source is Trump himself
Richy_T ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:09:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, I'll stop. Your words speak for themselves. My job is done here.
candypuppet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay this is just funny now
Promanguy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:00:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you implying hillary has compassion for any of those groups?
ThrasherBoys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the thing is, Trump doesn't hate Mexicans. He wants to stop illegal immigration, and the Mexican cartels bringing in drugs.
KornymthaFR ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the song the media chants huh?
ThrasherBoys ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah it's more like "MR TRUMP WHY ARE YOU A RACIST? WHY DO YOU HATE MEXICANS? WHY DID YOU ASSAULT PEOPLE? WHY DID YOU CALL SOMEBODY FAT?!?!
BlueNotesBlues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, they can't have an unbiased opinion on him which is unfair. Same if they were Muslim or women.
cluelesssquared ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:41:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mine are scared of the wall and think they will never see their families again. It's sad.
Lemopi ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:38:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking depressing..
cluelesssquared ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really is. They were so sad and scared.
intentsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's Trump making America Great Again
Horse_Intercourse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants have no business on US soil. It wouldnt be so sad if they didn't overstep their boundaries in the first place
Assuming the people we're talking about are actually undocumented and not just ignorant
cluelesssquared ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:09:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking about American citizens who are children, so yeah, don't know all the facts of the world yet. They are people who were born here, and often times their parents were as well.
And if American companies would stop hiring illegal people, the problem would be lessened. It's always about money, and some Americans have no problem doing these things when it's about profit. Follow the money.
Horse_Intercourse ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The children usually pick up on these things from their parents or guardians. Which usually happen to be ignorant on his immigration policy. If you're documented, you have nothing to worry about. If they are undocumented, they put themselves and their families in this situation and they were wrong to do so. Why does the US all ways have to pick up the slack? Instead of making the US more like other countries, we should make other countries more like US.
And I agree that the big businesses only want them for slave wages. And that's all we're going to get if we don't stop this sooner rather than later
cluelesssquared ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:53:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because that has always ended well.
If you don't want your country changed, why do you think anyone else would?
H_Floyd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:01:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parent doesn't send a lunch for a kid. Your response would be, "let the kid go hungry."
Parent doesn't send a coat for a kid. Your response would be, "let the kid be cold."
Parent flees gang-infested hometown and illegally enters the U.S. so their kid/future kid doesn't get recruited into the drug trade. Your response would be, "send the kid back where they came from."
Why are you so insistent about blaming the parents yet punishing the child?
Yggsdrazl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
US immigration policy is trash, I don't blame people for illegally immigrating.
Horse_Intercourse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I agree, we could stream line the process. But all we're asking them to do is use the front door and not the unlocked window.
Yggsdrazl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems a bit harsh to ask them to use the doorbell and wait for you to open the door for them rather than using the window when they're being chased by a hungry cougar.
Horse_Intercourse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:22:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is no hungry cougar
Yggsdrazl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you deleted your point about mexico treating their citizens poorly. I'm saying that they're treated poorly in their home country, whether it be by the government or by the rampant crime, they have incentive to leave before they are in personal danger.
isotaco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's got to be scary for them, thinking that someone who "hates Mexicans" could some day be in charge of the country. ugh, heart hurts thinking about it.
Yeti_Poet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. 3rd grade last year, 2nd grade this year. The kids hate Trump. Even 7 year olds can tell he's a windbag asshole.
Secritacc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes to this. I work with 90% Hispanic kids in middle school. My kids hate Trump because they think he hates them. Of course, the other 10% I work with are rural, white kids on the lower income level. They all like Trump.
And neither group particularly likes Clinton. Because...woman.
KornymthaFR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because they've seen the Harry potter movies.
RedDevils9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump may have ruined conservative politicians forever. If all of the pre-voting/non registered minorities that he has offended over and over and over become consistent voting citizens, the democrats will far outnumber the republicans. I'm not conservative, but don't necessarily have a problem with conservative economics, but this candidate may have actually ruined that party.
tesseract4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:32:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, the party was well on its way before Trump. I mean, for Christ's sake, they nominated Donald Trump.
RedDevils9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True ๐๐
dm117 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They did not expect him to gain as much traction as he did. Various Republican candidates have spoken out against him. I don't blame the party for Trump. They were actually working towards gaining the minority and women vote with immigration reform and social movements. I blame the people voting for him.
timesuck897 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hopefully their hatred of him will get their parents and relatives voting. This election is a shit show and people have strong opinions about it , but that's one small highlight.
EDIT: Getting people voting and paying attention to their government is good. I may not agree with who everyone is voting for, but that's not their choice and right.
jackgrandal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maybe if they become legal citizens they could vote against him
pyt5800 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of OP's student's parents are probably legal and will vote. You're assuming they're all illegal
[deleted] ยท -36 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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monkey3man ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An important thing to remember though is any increase in immigration enforcement will have a disparate impact on Mexicans and other Hispanics in terms of how they're policed, even for legal immigrants. Because we know what happens when one racial group in America is much more heavily policed than others.
So I could completely understand Mexican people not wanting to vote for him based on his crack down on immigration and start enforcing deportations idea.
Enchilada_McMustang ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have always looked at it from the perspective of legal immigrants, they go through all this long process to do things right and have to watch a lot of people say fuck it and sneak through the border, that kind of pisses me off.
On the other hand, Trump insistence on immigration issues and the way he speaks about mexicans, makes me think that he is quite prejudiced and probably racist.
SheWantsTwix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is completely anecdotal so don't take it as fact
I went through the process legally. It was very expensive and time consuming. When I was 10-13 I felt angry people just did it illegally. Once I learned how much it costs us I understood why so many Mexican people did it. If we didn't come from a very privileged family it would have taken us years to afford the costs of moving to the United States. Some people just pay the thousand bucks a coyote wants to cross you illegally and get it over in one day and I understand that. Most of them will be gone once the work season is gone and while they are here they usually work someone else's SSN so they are putting money in Taxes one way or another.
Sockpuppet30342 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the same time, I can't see that the cost of immigration is ever going to come down while people are doing so illegally.
I'm all for decreasing the cost to immigrate, but I also don't think we should be rewarding people for breaking the law.
SheWantsTwix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I think we should reduce the cost for TEMPORARY migration since that's what most people here in California do. Come work the harvest season then go back home then come back next year. If they could get a legal, fast and economical way of doing that so many issues could be solved.
Sockpuppet30342 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't object to it, but my thoughts are that USA jobs should go to USA citizens as a priority. If they can't get people to pick fruit for minimum wage, and so import temp workers from Mexico or whatever then I wouldn't have any problems.
SheWantsTwix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should and the jobs are open for them but none of them want to pick Peaches in 90 degree weather or Rake almonds for 10 hours while completely covered in dust from the machines. My uncles run a few orchards and every year a few college kids show up since no one gets turned down for work but they never come back the second day which sucks.
tesseract4 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with the context of that statement is that illegal immigration from Mexico is at its lowest level in many years, and that's because Obama really ramped up enforcement and deportations during his term (coupled with the shitty economy), but you'll never hear Trump say that, because it's not about the facts of what he says, his intent is to whip up jingoistic, nativist rage amongst the people who listen to him. I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking seriously someone who's whole goal is to ride a wave of hate into the White House. It's disgusting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know how stupid it would be for Trump to say he wants to carry on what Obamas been doing? Of course he won't say that, like Hillary won't say "yeah I've adopted some of Sanders policies to attract his voters".
tesseract4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, god forbid he have the decency to say "Y'know, President Obama and I have our differences on many policy issues, but on this one, we happen to agree." That used to be a thing that happened all the time, but now, it's inconceivable to anyone who doesn't remember it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No politicians have the ability to do something like that without losing voters. It's not a smart political move, no matter who says it.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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mancubuss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never said he wanted to deport citizens...
darktask ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't claim otherwise, nor did the OP, so what's your point?
TheSpanishDerp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:40:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the main problem is that many mexican families have illegals in them. My family is now legal, but they were once illegal. I can't imagine my family being separated from me. It depends on your PoV, really.
LiterallyKesha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald could be a lot clearer in how he speaks so he doesn't run into those problems. But he is usually vague because he wants to appeal to people who hate Mexicans. It's not a shocker that white supremacists like his campaign. He doesn't outright say it so his supporters tend to see what they want to see. Trumps always leaves a plausible deniability option open.
jackgrandal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol. Born and raised in texas, been through a couple of border patrol stops (they do have them farther in from the border where they make everyone get off the freeway and go through border patrol). They don't do anything. It's really just someone being paid to wave all the cars through. One of them even had a K-9, but even then they don't have it close enough to the cars to catch anything, I guess dog's sense of smell is that dang good. Also the wall is pretty funny because all they're going to do is tunnel under it. I'm surprised kids aren't building walls at the beach and digging a tunnel under it, because that would be pretty hilarious to see.
fast_edi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks?
mancubuss ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
do you correct them?
BanEmilyxD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:53:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not surprising they don't like him considering a good majority of them are probably here illegally
kerpandilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mexican-American = Mexican Americans. I hope that simplifies it for you.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:58:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well hopefully you explained the difference.
MurrayTheMonster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:16:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like one of two things. Either they listen to mainstream media and believe that crap, or they came here illegally (or their family members have) and they don't want deported.
[deleted] ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 15:51:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Benjacook11 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:38:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't make any sense.
TheodoreOso ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:24:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It actually isn't. You're just a racist asshole.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is if they're here illegally. Also, Mexican isn't a race.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you support illegal immigration?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good to see they are so wildly uniformed, meaning their parents are too. Congrats to the media on that one. You should consider informing them reality.
Kaleewobshoopdeydey ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:40:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1st graders on the playground, at recess, holding hands and singing:
Donald Trump Picked his butt All the way to Pizza Hut
Backandwaiting ยท 3373 points ยท Posted at 14:44:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Does Middle School count?
90% of the boys are convinced if we elect Hillary she'll castrate them and sell us to the Jews.
The girls think Trumps daughter is pretty.
God help us.
Edit: huh. All this on an offhand comment with an account I never meant to use. Whoops.
Ok, real additions:
I'm in the CT/Mass area. I'm a long term sub, to be perfectly honest. I mostly just keep kids in line. Most kids aren't very talkative about it. But there's a clear gender divide. Boys, especially nerdy internet using boys and very athletic ones, think Trump is hillarious. They always want groups called team Trump. They talk about making the school great again. They mention building a wall to keep the Portuguese kids out. (Big pop in my school, most of which also like trump.) They seem to think that Hillary is too much like their moms or their teachers. Also, Hillary hates freedom I guess?
The girls, mostly the nerdy bookish ones or the fashion obsessed ones, think Trump is scary. Hillary = girl power, but they mostly talk about Trump. He's angry or rude or rascist. Also, he hates freedom? Boys love to tease girls about Trump. The atmosphere is more "boys v girls" than real politics.
But most kids don't talk politics. And a-political kids say stuff like "Ivankas hot/pretty." Or "Trumps not even like, a real politician"
Oddly, the teachers (in small town New England) are also pretty split. Lunch room political conversations end fast if certain people enter or leave.
It wasn't until this weekend I saw a single pro Hillary sign. But pro Trump signs are Errrrrvrywhere. A few Johnson signs too.
Once again, bluest of the blue states. Elections complex guys.
[deleted] ยท 338 points ยท Posted at 15:11:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting castrated and shipped off to the Jews sounds like a weird porno
Echo-Tide ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 15:14:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of porno have you been watching...?!
donotlookatdiagram ยท 193 points ยท Posted at 15:17:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The good kind ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
Source
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:52:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
risky click...at work so I am gonna save this post for later. RemindMe! 6 hours "risky click of the day"
WinnyPooBoo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:07:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its safe u can open it promise
ajos2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:09:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, penis is blurred.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:19:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh, it is blurred. Awesome.
BlupHox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You sure man?
edit: yeah the penis is blurred thanks
TheOrcinusOrca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If your gonna add a fake edit, at least make sure the * is at the corner
BlupHox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats a ninja edit. if you edit your comment in less that 3 minutes (i think, not sure about the time) the "*" doesnt appear.
Noelwiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminded in 9
Solar-Salor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if that link is a disappointment or a relief.
rwwman50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
RobGobbler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's enough risky clicking for today
Toxicitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That link is staying blue.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was honestly scared it would be something very NSFW. I mostly browse reddit at my job, sooo...
kevpool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kosher kind
ferretRape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I Had a Gay Experience in Tel Aviv Butthole Surfer 1000 The Bibi Netanyahu Experience Ayalet Shaked Vs Sarit Hadad Lesbians From the North Knesset Anal Slamdown Jewy Jewstein takes NY ""The Erotic Bagel""
ApplesBananasRhinoc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:57:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Ilsa, Shewolf of the SS?
3jt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a typical Mel Gibson feature
TuchandRoll ยท 668 points ยท Posted at 14:50:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On behalf of Jews, we're accepting any and all donations.
[deleted] ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 15:07:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait.. What are you going to do with the foreskin?
Lonelan ยท 295 points ยท Posted at 15:18:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
shutitdownthegoyimknow
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:19:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eat it?
GrumpySteen ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:35:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calamari isn't kosher, so they've got to find a substitute somewhere.
PlentyOfMoxie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
For anyone else who, read this and said "What the fuck?" This is the brief explanation google offers:
Edit: Took homies advice
SvenHudson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure squids are mollusks.
That said, I always thought it was just no shellfish.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Sockpuppet30342 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is that religious laws that ban foods are typically a result of safety, for example pork is banned because it's more likely to make you sick.
The other reason is that the food is 'dirty'.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like based on the historical beliefs of what made you sick.
iongantas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Religion.
PromptedHawk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta control the population somehow.
SvenHudson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God, maybe.
TRiG_Ireland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:28 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you begin quotes with a >, not four spaces of indents, they show up as blockquotes, not code blocks. And are much easier to read.
Also, if you're quoting something, you should say what it is you're quoting.
CowboyFlipflop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if upvote because disgustingly clever, or downvote because disgustingly clever.
SoManyNinjas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Casings for kosher sausages!
ma774u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hurk
jpropaganda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To paraphrase an old joke, make a wallet that turns into a suitcase when you rub it.
fezfrascati ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I definitely thought I would be the only redditor where this came to mind, but clearly I'm not alone.
rwwman50 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:28:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's phase 3. We don't talk about phase 3.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:24:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Phase 1: Medical School Phase 2: Collect Foreskins Phase 3: ????? Phase 4: Profit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This
3jt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Burn victims. That's what they use them for. To grow skin for skin grafts.
bernerli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make it into a purse. Tickle it, and it turns into a suitcase.
Dorocche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"They're building a wallet; when they rub it, it'll turn into a suitcase."
7SevenEleven11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't tell anyone I told you
Top secret
xXMarethXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever wonder where gefilte fish comes from? Now you don't have to...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle was a mohel. He retired a few years ago and when he was cleaning out his office his assistant found a huge glass jar filled to the brim with maybe a thousand foreskin. She almost threw up but he said he always thought he would have a use for them someday. He took them down to the local tailor and asked him to make something practical to commemorate his years of service. Fast forward a week and the tailor calls saying to pick up his order. So my uncle goes in and the guy hands him a small flat box. My uncle opened it and it was a wallet. My uncle got really mad and said "there had to be a thousand foreskin in that jar and this is all you could make from them?". To which the tailor replied "yeah but if you stroke it it turns into a briefcase".
kingbad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could make a change purse out of it...and if you rub it for a while, it turns into a suitcase!
UncreativeUser-kun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what a castration is....
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:19:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know the jews invented interest right?
carBoard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_banking#Emergence_of_merchant_banks
its more that churches banned banking thinks for most christians and jews being outsiders stepped in to fill the role
MidnightRanger_ ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:53:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The notion is seconded.
ani625 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:05:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because of the implication.
iamjomos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We know, you guys made Kars for Jews (I mean kids cough)
VigilantMike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Will you take my car today?
TuchandRoll ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:19:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No cars, only kars
altxatu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No need to be redundant. You already said you're Jewish.
THE_IRISHMAN_35 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you do need a coin purse to keep your gold in.
SeeShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What can I say? Not everyone carries a pot of gold with them everywhere.
glennert ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:26:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sooo... What do Jews generally do with those castrated boys? Asking for a friend
photonicphacet ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:41:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your friend a Bishop by any chance?
glennert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a merchant, looking for new trade opportunities during the New World Order
19djafoij02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Matzo. At least that's what the blood libel says.
sugarmagnolia_8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We don't castrate them. That is viciously false.
We circumcise them and blend their little foreskins into our morning smoothies.
[deleted] ยท 168 points ยท Posted at 15:32:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Backandwaiting ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:08:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cellphones, man. Cellphones.
joecb91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They'll still figure out how to go on there at home
popejohnthebroiest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah
Robinisthemother ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 15:13:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Trumps daughter is very pretty.
n889 ยท 302 points ยท Posted at 15:35:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He even thinks so too
3jt ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:29:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Smell my finger!" -Donald Trump
Dr_cOZby_clinton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This made laugh a lot harder than I should have.
Yolocameltoe ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:37:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shes his daughter I would hope so
macarthur_park ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:14:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
n889 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:41:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was joking about this
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:10:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Eumos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:00:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stern did, not Trump.
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:54:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right? All these hypocrites acting like they've never given their friends permission to call their daughters a piece of ass, this is just how guys talk, it's just locker-room talk. /s
Eumos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He said that Trump called his daughter a "piece of ass." I'm clarifying that Howard Stern said it, not Trump. Don't get your panties in a twist.
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ik, I was just joking around
mouth_with_a_merc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he grab her by the pussy?
HighSpeed556 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since when is it weird for a father to be proud of his daughter and exclaim how pretty she is? As a father of girls, I'd like to know at what point I'm supposed to stop describing my girls as pretty.
gnarles_barkley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:35:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you say how pretty she is then say that you would date her if she wasn't your daughter.
nellirn ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:37:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And classy and very well spoken.
beelzeflub ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:11:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I gotta give her that, even if she is bought into her dad's ridiculous antics, she's not making a complete ass of herself.
Backandwaiting ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And genuinely capable at business. More than her pops anyway.
saremei ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 16:20:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh no, you're talking about the comeback king. Trump is legendary. Going from wealthy to in the negatives (because of reasons out of his control) and back to billions.
MuddyWaterTeamster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
We don't know if he's back to billions, the only financial records we have of him are from when he was losing hundreds of millions in the 90s.
ShinyPants42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is almost as good as Michelle.
SunMoonTruth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor judgment though. She's going to vote for Trump.
terriblehuman ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are we sure Trump is her biological father?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When half the Internet wants to hump her +1 with the bad hair
sillykatface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hell are you for real??
fdg456n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She looks like she's had too much plastic surgery.
Jaqen___Hghar ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 15:19:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why they can't vote yet, buddy.
Bora-Bora-Bora ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 15:28:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, this election has proved that there's a lot of adults out in the world who are just as crazy.
B0Boman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:01:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And whose opinion do you think those kids are parroting?
Ba_dongo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:02:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amen. The amount of people advocating for that criminal corrupt piece of shit is appalling.
taulover ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:06:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The best part is I can't tell which candidate you're describing.
saremei ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:23:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's obviously Hillary. Trump isn't criminal or corrupt.
Ba_dongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary, yes. That should be obvious
Jupiterswrath ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:33:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh you have to be in power first to be corrupt.
chairfairy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but I shudder to think about being held accountable or judged as an adult for the opinions I held at 17.
just_comments ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey I know, let's nominate a candidate with no political experience at all, with numerous scandals, a history of bankruptcy, and an inability to compromise on any political agenda they have. That'll go real well"
morgawr_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think God is the reason why children are not allowed to vote, but I don't know enough about religion to disprove this.
JSBraga ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:30:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Portuguese person myself, I find that hilarious. We're relevant, woo hoo! :P
gnarly_fucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Linguiรงa is one of my favorite foods, you guys are always relevant to me! lol
JSBraga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aww thanks! :D
FearTheWeird ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:54:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes! In what state are you teaching?
[deleted] ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:46:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/pol/
Backandwaiting ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CT/Mass border.
(Unspecific for deniability)
dwmfives ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She said MA/CT border, and mentioned lots of Portuguese kids, so I'd place a fairly confident bet on Ludlow, MA.
runswithcoyotes ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:53:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
State of Disaster.
3jt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4chan
D3RP4L3RT ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So does Trump
itsdietz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So do I.
funnyAlcoholic ยท 275 points ยท Posted at 14:58:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry ladies, ivanka is taken ...by her dad :/
kindaconceited ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:06:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"How do you feel about elementary school kids wanting to vote for you because of your daughter?"
"Well, I think that I should GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY!"
aneryx ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:11:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's it, the meme is officially run into the ground.
[deleted] ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 15:13:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not run into the ground until Harambre is grabbing pussies.
whatareUonabout ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:17:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SHOTS FIRED
wal8998 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's what killed Harambe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, koko is the pussy grabbing primate
BurntPaper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ZDTreefur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like you gotta run that pussy into the ground.
animosityiskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got people being horrified by it, I never got these type of jokes. I see what they are trying to do, but it just isn't clever.
WhipWing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like he put the pussy on the chainwax.
Marimba_Ani ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a meme. It's a thing the Republican nominee for president said and does and thinks is FINE. Never forget.
thebiggestandniggest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, thanks for correcting.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:58:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this isn't even funny
jesus christ this meme is more dead than my grandfather
Scrubbing_Bubbles_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they are only 12 years o......oh yeah.
Psudodragon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:07:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grab that fat pusssy, yummy
APiousCultist ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What wonderful political rhetoric the internet has.
"Huh I bet that Obama guy fucks his daughter, amirite?"
Vekete ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:31:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama has never said he'd fuck his daughter. Trump has.
APiousCultist ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never said that either. He jokingly implied he'd be interested in his daughter if not for her being his daughter, in the context of her being praised for her beauty.
Don't get me wrong, it's still a bit creepy. But not like he outright said he'd grab her by the pussy or anything.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in middle school when Obama ran and from what I remember kids called me racist when I said he was getting a lot of votes because he was black. I'm a pretty liberal person, non racist, I think a lot of people can agree that people were excited he was black, I am too! But getting called racist at 12 really hurts your self esteem. Middle school kids are stupid.
mathTrollAccount ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She is pretty. She's a piece of ass. Don't worry, I got permission from her father to call her that.
special_reddit ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:33:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm... what's going on with the boys at your school? Seriously, that's not normal and, well, pretty damn racist. That'd be the kinda thing I'd try to put the kibosh on.
JanitorJasper ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:07:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What op forgot to mention is that he teaches at Hitler Elementary.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:24:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Klaus Barbie Memorial Middle School
Love_Freckles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much the same at my highschool
mynewaccount5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alabama? Some kind of neo nazi run school?
DoktorSoviet ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:50:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4chan is now very popular in Middle/High School.
This is the kind of shit that gets posted on 4chan because they took the joke too far in that site's eternal quest to be edgier than the rest.
Ergo, this kind of stuff has become popular in Middle/High School.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno, his school with nerdy internet alt-righters sounded a lot more interesting than mine ever was.
moralprolapse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kibosh? They don't take kindly to Yiddish in her neck of the woods, boy.
LitrallyTitler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sh...Shut it down?
lamykins ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:46:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Racist, How? Did you mean sexist?
ManiacalShen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Racist in reference to Jewish people. It's not just a religion, after all.
And I'm not sure if the castration thing is some kind of sexism or just a total non-sequitur. It's just beyond me.
lamykins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah my mind glossed over the Jews bit. But even then it's more anti-semitic than racist.
special_reddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:47:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-semitism is a category of racism, I'd say.
Heisenburgers726 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:04:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of middle schoolers are these? I know that most of them in my school watch the debates and read over their policies and their actions and decide which candidate they want - which is usually Clinton (this is in AZ).
MotherOfDragonflies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of adults in this country don't even do that.
ZeraskGuilda ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of middle schoolers aren't as politically aware or active, sadly.
I made sure to be aware of what was going on at both the local and the federal levels before I could even vote. Did not have many folks my age that I could talk to about that.
joss75321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame we can't hold the candidates to your standards.
ZeraskGuilda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:08:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that, if we were to start more in-depth education of the political process and how it can effect us all, in schools, we'd see a huge spike in voter turnout and a general decline in isolationist and nativist mindsets.
I got very lucky, growing up, and was able to be around people of all different cultures and professions. I grew up with very smart (like, a good many doctors [M.D and P.H D])people who didn't shy away from teaching me about a variety of subjects and answering any and all questions (and I was a very inquisitive child) I had.
If more people had a similar opportunity, or at least easier access to the resources, things would be a lot better.
DoktorSoviet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The candidates and politicians will never educate the people, though. They want only a small subset of the potential electorate to actually vote, and they want them to be a simpleminded group that is easy to coerce and, let's face it, lie too.
And this has been going on for quite some time. You think this shit election is a coincidence?
ZeraskGuilda ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:59:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I'm aware. They're on borrowed time, though. One way or another, people will find a way to get around that.
rwwman50 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine that, public school teachers supporting a Clinton. In other news water is still wet.
HippyHitman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Are you at some prestigious prep school or something? Most middle schoolers in my area don't know what "policy" even means in this context.
Heisenburgers726 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a regular but highly ranked public school.
saremei ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only way you can come to the conclusion that clinton is good is if you aren't reading the leaked info.
rhinguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ivanka is hot though.
falconinthedive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically the media's approach to this election too.
DoktorSoviet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But seriously, are we surprised that Middle Schoolers love Trump?
I don't even mean that as a condescending dig at the intelligence level of the campaign (although I sure could use it that way). It's just, well, memes are really popular right now in the Middle School demographic and thus the spawning ground of memes, 4chan, has become a de facto part of Middle School life. They all want to emulate the people on that site by saying progressively edgier shit and spouting more memes.
And since 4chan has basically become Trump's unofficial campaign website, they follow lock behind it because it is edgy and attention grabbing, as always.
RunningUpThtHill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They know Ivanka is Jewish right?
PatiR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the guys don't think trumps women are pretty ??
bhsgrad2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump thinks Trump's daughter is pretty too.
SpecOpBeevee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like more often we guys in class are more into politics, the girls hear us talking and dont usually interject too much.
dwmfives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, Ludlow, MA?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is at the root of a lot of political sexual bias.
PKMKII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's sad is that there are adults voting along the same lines.
peon2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same here in Maine even though we've voted Democrat for the past 8 or so elections. Say what you want about Trump but he actually does energize his base. His supporters want him. I feel like most Hillary supporters are kind of apathetic and care more about stopping Trump than electing Hillary.
ChronosFT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Maryland and California qualify as the bluest of the blue. Nate Silver has the chance of Clinton winning both states at >99.9% (not enough decimal positions, I guess). The only time I have seen a Trump sign is on the back window of a truck from NY that was passing through. Not a lot of Hillary signs, but a few, mostly in front yards.
I've driven through a lot of solid conservative areas that will definitely vote for Trump, and I still don't see any signs for him. Not sure what's going on in CT/MA with a bunch of Trump signs. Maybe Trump only had enough money in the charity checking account to pay UPS to send the signs as far as CT.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same exact shit in my HS except some people can vote.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well damn that was going to be my campaing for the next election! That asshole cut me off!
Well, Hillary is leading in the pols. Sounds like God's helping the Jews this time.
babybelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ivanka being hot is the most important thing next to how funny trump is
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... in a way they're right. SJWism will bash men further into oblivion and she will accept lobbyists money in record numbers.
Ganondorf-Dragmire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An reddit comment with Johnson in it? Thank god. Not a Jill Stein fan, but ill throw her name out so people can be aware she is running.
SikhGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a new one. What's the backstory to this?
Violent_Syzygy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it, 538 has CT pegged in the upper 90% voting for Clinton, but everyone I know except my mom is voting Trump. I just don't get it.
Quatroking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she is
Dan03-BR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised to know there is a big Portuguese there
Solar-Salor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Trump's daughter is hot.
chocolate_enterprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Live in Mass. Can confirm: I haven't seen any Hillary signs, but there are so many Trump ones! I'm thinking either (1) they feel like the minority so are being vocal or (2) Trump fans seem like they'd be more vocal....
thefrado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are the boys you teach Eric Cartman?
SumOMG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL the alt-right CNN is scared of are probably middle schoolers on /pol
ILikeFireMetaforicly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAVs_S97mXQ
moralfaq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NW Connecticut? Litchfield County is pretty Republican, the rest of the state is blue.
ProgrammingPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet my left testicle that those kids make up a chunk of /r/The_Deplorables
One thing that's kept me semi-sane throughout this election season is the knowledge that the person who I'm arguing with, who appears to be a complete fucking moron, may very well be a literal child.
Thee_Joe_Black ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is amazing...I could def see this playing out in my school growing up. The team Trump thing for sure. Hilarious...thanks for sharing!
guns_r_us ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
:D
B0ngyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like south park
MacadamiaWire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Granby?
Tacoman404 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would expect nothing less from Ludlow.
runefar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know if the boys are supporting trump because he is a guy or if they are joking about supporting him because he is funny? I ask this because what you said seems to make them sound like they don't like trump but think things he does is so idiotic in a hilarious way that they are joking about the things he does. Sorry if that doesn't make sense.
Gmarcott42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems a lot like the new season of South Park
SgtOceanus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live on the New Mexico/Texas/Mexico border and I saw a Hillary for President sign the other day. It was kinda shocking.
Sardoodledum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The middle school boys I work Think Trump is funny because he is so ridiculous. He's like a cartoon character to them. They love Trump memes and just like your students, anything that they get to name is called Trump. Any slogan they have to come up with is "Make ______ great again."
shabazdanglewood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like that where I live as well. Probably 50 Trump signs to every 1 Clinton sign.
chairfairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw an article yesterday saying that Trump supporters are, statistically, white people (particularly men) with slightly above average income and strong racial resentment.
In a number of surveys they get the strongest correlation between Trump support and agreeing with whatever statements that indicate racial resentment/xenophobia. The only correlation nearly as strong is existing political affiliation.
yeartwo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
apple_kicks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think Hilary reminding voters of thier mom or teacher might be affecting adults too.
Trump is like that mad uncle that gives you beer for the first time but says embarrassing things about Mexicans
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
South shore or north shore? We both know that so much of MA is the south of the north. When I lived in Bridgewater I would see Confederate flags on the reg.
hunter15991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even middle-schoolers shun Tiffany.
zimbabwes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
rich white area
trashcan86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about 10 miles out from Boston, I've only ever seen one or two Trump signs, many many Hillary signs, and there's a Johnson sign just around the corner from my house.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's an interesting and insane election season. More people on both sides seem to talk more about Trunk than Hilary. I've heard less criticism and general discussions about Hilarys stances and policies than I have about drumpf being a horrible candidate and/or whatnot. We've heard a number of talks and speeches, and they all refer to how trump is not suitable for office. While they exist, I rarely hear that many supporting Hilary.
It's the opposite of the 2008 election in some aspects.
darth_mol_eliza ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 16:48:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher, but during the first debate, my 5 year old son said, with dismay, "Donald Trump the bad guy? He's real?"
Guess he figured Trump was a super villain. Don't really know where he picked it up, since we don't watch the news or anything at home.
Spudgun888 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious, how come?
WeirdEraCont ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:17:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
most young kids use streaming services which dont have news and more and more adults are consuming news on their tablets/phones which are for their eyes only. There is no television news worth watching anyway. I can see how kids today won't grow up with it.
popretmaster ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:00:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not him, but I don't have a TV, and I just read the newspaper and occasionally listen to the radio to get my news.
darth_mol_eliza ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:52:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the TV is on, it's usually playing Curious George.
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because TV news is almost definitely the worst form of news that exists?
Spudgun888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I don't know, the BBC are pretty good here in the UK.
SAOkirito1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, trump is real? Well we're screwed.
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Take it from a Brit - it took London a good three months to convince the rest of the country that Boris Johnson wasn't a fictional character.
If Trump gets in, you guys are going to have some serious work to do.
sirscratchewan ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students were doing presentations on parts of a cell. One boy was presenting on the cell wall. His last line was, "And where would we be without our wall?" My favorite student mutters under his breath, "on the democratic side of the election."
SlamDunkarooContest ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:57:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's pretty clear why he's your favorite student. That's pretty quick.
sirscratchewan ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:16:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's my favorite because we connected so well. He's my buddy. ADHD and a total lack of impulse control. He's got a great heart though, and I think I'm the first teacher who has ever cared enough to see that.
SlamDunkarooContest ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:46:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you're doing a fantastic job. We all have teachers that we look back on and admire the difference they made in our lives. You're doing that, as I'm sure you know and are reminded of that on a daily basis.
sirscratchewan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. It's kids like him that make my job worthwhile. Seeing a kid come in defensive and jaded, then slowly breaking down those walls. Every time I think of quitting (which is far too often), I think of him.
notLOL ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:14:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can imagine that he feels helpless to avoid saying the zinger out loud. Kid must be a Redditor
sirscratchewan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good God I hope not. Ten years old is too young for this place.
iamnotchad ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:36:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We will build a cell wall and make the viruses pay for it!
UNoahGuy ยท 629 points ยท Posted at 14:56:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I overheard one of my 4th graders saying that if Trump get elected he wishes that'd he'd get assassinated. I was so shocked I couldn't respond.
09Customx ยท 867 points ยท Posted at 15:17:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The way he's going he might be the first motherfucker to lose the election and get assassinated anyway.
alekzander01 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:28:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that whoever wins, there will be an assassination attempt on inauguration day
deadbeatsummers ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:43:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I was pretty nervous when Obama won, but this is oddly more likely to happen.
falconinthedive ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:37:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently Obama has had more threats on his life than recent presidents, but the FBI and secret service do their damn job.
Though I wonder to what degree that's just been more assholes ideating on stormfront or twitter getting visits from agents.
TurbinePro ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 19:51:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama probably gets that just because he is black.
deadbeatsummers ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:54:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He definitely does. In 2008 my high school banned people from wearing campaign t-shirts to prevent fights from happening.
Back then I thought it was just a really tense election, but when I look back his policies weren't even that left. It was the fact that he was black.
AndVelmaToo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:40:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A similar level of bias here too. Would so many people hate Hillary if she was a man? She's also been in national politics way more than Obama was when he ran, so there's lots more dirt on her (as there is with most career politicians).
deadbeatsummers ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:58:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely sure, honestly! I do see a lot of comments about her that are misogynistic, but a lot of people like her more so because she's female. I don't know how much it actually influences the election.
BGYeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:18:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, the issues people have with Hillary don't come from issues with her gender.
koonikki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:23:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i think she would be worse off. especially with the "as a mother" comments. and i find her very sympathetic as a person despite being corrupt
Foxclaws42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:42:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, now imagine how many Hillary is going to get.
TurbinePro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:47:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Race is more dividing than sex.
Foxclaws42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:49:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At no point during the 2008 election was "#repealthe15th" trending on social media.
deadbeatsummers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:55:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's been enough shit on Stormfront/4chan to alarm the FBI, that's for sure.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:14:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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BGYeti ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:20:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty weak attempt, who tries to steal a gun off a police officer? Dude is fucking dumb.
WraithSama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that. Wasn't he a white British dude? Weird.
Mountebank ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 15:36:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
By the CIA.
LesseFrost ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:58:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/t_d is leaking.
Heraclitus94 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:18:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking news: Trump found dead from suicide via two shotgun blasts to the back of the head!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:36:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:18:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:37:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4 U
ibbolia ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:27:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I take off that hair, will you die?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:38:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be extremely shameful
Psych0Fir3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4u
Rodot ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:56:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then CTR
And then the AMD
And then the FCC
and then the IQR
Seagull84 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:41:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be awful. The last thing he should become is a martyr who incites riots and violence in his death. He needs to be criminally prosecuted for some of the things he's done, and locked away, left to rot and be forgotten.
AnotherScoutTrooper ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 18:50:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*he/she
FTFY
Fourthspartan56 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:20:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What has Clinton done to deserve to be locked up? Or does innocent until proven guilty not matter?
falconinthedive ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:39:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if a special prosecutor in the 90s, a congressional oversight committee, and an endless array of investigations for 25 years hasn't turned up anything they could prosecute, maybe another 8 years of intense scrutiny can turn up something. Clearly.
Idk. A library fine from 9th grade or something.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:57:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a monster. Lock her up.
Joba_Fett ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did he know about the Clinton administration we don't?
Turbo_Megahertz ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:30:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking LOL.
Archensix ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely by Hillary as a parting gift
[deleted] ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 15:14:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know too many people that want Trump assassinated. Yeah he's a dick, but that's a bit much.
mbrattoo ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 15:30:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom keeps saying she's not worried about Trump becoming president because "he'll get taken care of."
She says it so fucking ominously and is constantly surprised that I don't share her sentiments. I mean, I can't stand the guy, but banking on the notion, he'll get assassinated? That's way too far for me.
perfectionisntforme ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend says the same thing, not in an assassinated sense though, she just thinks that the GOP will find some loophole to impeach him so that Pence is president.
I find that to be somehow scarier in all honesty.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:44:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. He would undo all of the good Obama had done in recent years.
oz6702 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:30:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's scarier because Mike Pence, unlike Trump, actually has experience in government, and has the temperament to appeal to a much broader audience than Trump does (never thought I'd say that about Mike fuckin Pence, but such is the crazy of this election cycle). Pence would be, IMO, far more effective at dismantling what little progress we've made in recent years.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. My parents (republicans) have talked before about how they hate trump, but think Pence would be a good president because he "Looked presidential" during the VP debate.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_BAD_SELFIES ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:20:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that a lot in 2008 too. Lots of people in red states just assuming Obama wouldn't make it to his inauguration. Its horrifying
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:28:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a Blue state and also assumed that would happen. I'm happy to have been proven wrong though.
ispikey ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:44:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you someone, somewhere had the plan but was foiled by their own stupidity and some alphabet agency took them away and we're never going to hear about it.
theivoryserf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:49:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
101%
PM_ME_BAD_SELFIES ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:00:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm certain it was more than just one someone. I was at the inauguration in 2009, and it was a pretty scary experience. There were guys with rifles on every rooftop.
sunofabeeeyetch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_assassination_plot_in_Tennessee
We did hear about it, but it was a relatively small blip on the radar. The wiki page was pretty clear about that:
Kykeingmcfuckingkyke ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:40:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Lets vote for him so we can see the president get shot"...the things i see...
shadus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:58:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence scares me more than trump.
flyinpiggies ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:23:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People said the same shit about Obama, and after his presidency the general consensus is that he didn't fuck it up too bad... (besides the trillions in debt and Obamacare)
BoozeoisPig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that having the choice to vote for Donald Trump as a major party candidate was way too far for me. But here we are.
Hoosteen_juju003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember hearing someone in the south say the same thing about Obama in 2007.
CanuckBacon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it'll be by those second amendment folks?
kangruiqiu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is she a secret assassin? Has she received her orders?
seanmharcailin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom said a similar thing, but I think its because there's so much fear if he actually comes in to power. "He needs to be taken out". MOM! You can't say those things! But at the same time I do understand the fear that would lead you to believe the only way out of this mess is to eliminate the individual at the top of it.
willystylee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly though, would you care? I'm not trying to act like i would. And i can say that about both candidates. It's not out of malice, i can just honestly say I just really wouldn't care at all.
Lvl1_Villager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But to me it's not that inconceivable.
The guy is a magnet for crazy, so it honestly wouldn't surprise me if one day one of his more... interesting supporters suddenly felt wronged by him (for some small, illogical reason), and immediately decided that only an extreme reaction will do.
That, or they might get the idea that they want to make him a martyr for the "cause".
Lick_The_Wrapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have the same feelings as your mom only I'm the daughter is this situation, and you react just like my mom does to me. My logic isn't that he's that much of a terrible person he needs to be killed. It's more that he would be such a terrible president that someone somewhere would need to take care of it and the only way is to do that is to off him.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About 1:40s in Hillary offhandedly uses the word as a reason not to drop out of primary against Obama. It's weird that it's non-chalantly floated as plausible outcome in the deeper forums dedicated to Hillary. Nothing damning in the video, just a weird archived interview. https://youtube.com/watch?v=E0QAewVrR28&t=103
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL your mom is Hilary Clinton
noreligionplease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the Pence would be president.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No i think the Clinton's will probably just make him 'commit suicide'
DrunkHurricane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:22:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't understand is why assassinations aren't more common. So many millions of people with insanely passionate hatred for others, and so many of them with guns, why aren't we seeing politicians and CEO's dropping left and right? Statistically speaking there should be a major assassination each week given the large population, access to firearms, and number of crazy insane-o whackjobs.
Velkyn01 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:18:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone assumes they'd be caught afterwards, if not foiled in their attempt. Then someone exactly the same (if not worse) would fill their shoes.
Plus, the system is too big. You can't find just one person and be like, "Him, it all comes down if we just remove him." If it did work like that, then totally, we'd have assassinations all the time.
Grillarino ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like the majority of gun-owners are law-abiding citizens with no mental illnesses or something. Nahhh, that can't be right.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:59:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying, there's a small percentage that aren't, and I'm just surprised it doesn't happen more often.
64bitHustler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we're all just too lazy to bother. Kinda like when the power goes out. "Eh, somebody else will call the power company"
BizGilwalker ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:31:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's not like he hasn't suggested the assassination of his opponent ...
AlanFromRochester ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:48:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, assassination is illegal as hell. Also, it's sinking towards Trump's level on coarse poitics and would martyr him. And I don't want President Pence (which is also a risk when Trump gets impeached or resigns)
bent42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:27:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? Who wants a wackadoo fundamentalist christian in office? I'll take the xenophobic misogynistic oligarch any day.
Kykeingmcfuckingkyke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:39:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ยฟQue?
Phytor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:45:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Translation: Pence would be worse as president so I would personally prefer Trump
Kykeingmcfuckingkyke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gracias mi amigo
bibiane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful with that, trump still has 13% chance.
Kykeingmcfuckingkyke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
13% percento ay caramba!
kylearea ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He could go as a martyr for the cause
84Dublicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But we're used to the fundamentalist's nonsense... Either way, he's already making himself the victim of some silly conspiracy. I don't know if I could handle Trump the martyr.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bent42 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:00:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence. I was talking about Pence who would become president when Trump gets whacked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's an actual facist. If he enacts even a few of his ideas (torture, militarily targeting civilians, cracking down on media opposition, nation wide stop and frisk, just to name a few), it is our writen duty to take action against him by any means necessary. It would be the failure of every American if he doesn't get taken out.
silvet_the_potent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:36 on October 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hahahaha... the same person who says the oregon protestors should be shot reprimands a presidential candidate for being authoritarian
notLOL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the Internet started, our teachers warned us that a kid thought it would be funny to send death threats to the president. The secret service "vanned" the school.
I'm afraid your young kids are gonna do something stupid after this election no matter who loses/wins.
[deleted] ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 15:17:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:59:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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prancingElephant ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:09:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"A few years ago"?
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:58:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was also shocking.
abutthole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he'll imprison her if HE wins. He is a dictator in the making.
mjmannella ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL dictators arrest rightful crimminals
abutthole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you're better at deciding if someone's a criminal* than the director of the FBI.
mjmannella ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been out there for a while, the media just chooses not to cover it due to bias.
WilliamofYellow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:52:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's saying people could fight back if the government tries to take their weapons.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:57:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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84Dublicious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Or a document not written in stone (hence amendments) being changed to reflect society, if it's supported. Regardless, she'd never get enough support to do it and she's never held a position that supports abolishing any amendment. So he's building a straw man, proof he IS a politician... as if that reason to vote for him was every really it.
Imaginary oppression is real.
xXHacknslasHXx ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:02:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you really sure he's implying people should assassinate her? He couldn't be saying people should exercise their second amendment rights in spite of her position on gun laws?
yeaheyeah ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:40:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The secret service had to have a talk with Trump about these comments, so yes.
n0vaga5 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:00:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it really that hard to read in between the lines?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're talking to someone who uses xX Xx in their username.
lol
MrS3H3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hear this about literally every candidate.
Stormydawns ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:12:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my fourth graders two years ago said she wanted Jack Kevorkian as the White House doctor :/ I, too, was shocked into silence.
J0K3R2 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:16:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and take a gander that a fourth grader is just parroting a name of a "doctor" she heard either on the radio or her parents talking about. Pretty certain that a fourth grader wouldn't know of what Kevorkian did.
Zippy477 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:25:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even more likely to be parroting a joke she heard at home
Banshee90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i'm pretty sure she is just parroting what her parents have said. I don't think Kevorkian is relavent to 4th graders since he was convicted before they were even born...
falconinthedive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And he'd been dead for a few years at the time.
Ian_The_Great1507 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did, because I read textbooks for fun back then and it was in one. Maybe she's jut precocious. Or op is lying.
Stormydawns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, she had the general idea what she was suggesting."he was a doctor that killed people," was her response when the other teacher asked if she knew who that was. It was a punchline of a joke her parents were fond of telling, apparently.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was a damn hero.
Adrian_W_ ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:00:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if that happens we have a second chance.
-Mountain-King- ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 15:04:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With Pence.
blainewhim ยท 137 points ยท Posted at 15:06:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the thought of pence becoming president physically pains me
Bonglady420 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 15:18:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From Indiana and an atheist female.. I'm scared. Lol
Sl4sh4ndD4sh ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 15:22:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You will be sent to a Christian re-education camp.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't make people of this country follow one religion nor make anyone go to one type of schhol as Commander in Cheif.
Phytor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandpa says next month Obama is going to force everyone to concert to Islam, so I'm inclined to disagree with you.
junkmale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is against Islamic doctrine to concert.
PATXS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the thought of pains becoming president physically pence me
Elan-Morin-Tedronai ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 15:11:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness Pence probably won't sexually assault Angela Merkel, nor call her ugly when he gets frustrated at a negotiation.
aamfs94 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 15:26:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he would actually stand a chance to pass legislation preventing women who were raped from seeking out abortions... unlike Trump who faces a much more hostile congress.
rileyk ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Women, LGBT, POC, they all lose with Trump/Pence, but Pence would culturally enable discrimination against LGBT people, and thats horrifying.
Augenis ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like Jim Crow 2: Electric Boogaloo
oliviathecf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:56:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence has voiced support about putting public funding towards conversion therapy. He's honestly way worse than Trump.
Source.
rileyk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed
Serapius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is how I feel as well. I don't like Trump and I think he is a complete idiot (especially in regards to politics), but Pence isn't stupid. He knows how to get legislation passed and is very bigoted and has gotten his state into some series crap with the bills he has supported.
I would honestly rather see Trump be President than Pence, though I feel like if Trump actually won, Pence would do most of the actual political stuff for Trump and be shadow President while Trump just acts as the face of the office.
EDIT: As much as I detest Hillary and will absolutely not be voting for her, I will be relieved when she finally wins this election.
oliviathecf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:00:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, y'know, the best way to ensure that she wins is to vote for her. Even if you live in a red state.
Serapius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Five Thirty Eight says she has something like a 4% chance to win my state. If I lived in a swing state, I'd see your point, but here I'd rather through in my protest vote and hopefully help a third party have a chance to appear in the 2020 debates.
oliviathecf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but numbers do matter, even the small ones. Adding to the number of blue voters is a good thing. Regardless, I'm not going to say to vote for her if you don't like her, but she does have the best chance of beating Trump.
Serapius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She has the only chance of beating Trump. I just don't feel like she's deserving of my vote (and Trump certainly isn't). Really, I'm not sure anyone, other than Bernie Sanders, is deserving of my vote.
Elan-Morin-Tedronai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he wouldn't. On the federal level abortion is just an issue to grab votes. Not one that's going to actually get anything done.
Doctah_Whoopass ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....
We have more bullets...
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roe v. Wade has not been overturned. They cannot pass such a bill.
aamfs94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Roe v. Wade never ended the abortion debate. Individual states have been trying to pass clarifications or interpretations of that decision, to varying degrees of success. Furthermore, the abortion debate is far from over - the current legal code is not set in stone and will have to be revised. I believe the most recent standard for "off-limits" fetuses is determined through "viability." Advancing technologies will, in the not so distant future, call the definition of that word and our increased understanding of fetal development into question. The laws will always have to grapple with new ethical challenges that advanced technologies impose.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nobody even wants to sexually assault merkel's ugly ass anyways
Elan-Morin-Tedronai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! Donald Trump would say stupid shit like that on TV. Pence would shake hands with her and treat her with respect even if they didn't get along.
ani625 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dun dun dunnn
liquidxlax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He may be super religious but he seems to be the most competent of the four
-Mountain-King- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More than Kaine? I dunno, I don't know much about Kaine. More than Clinton? I don't know how you can say that with a straight face.
liquidxlax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I guess Kaine was smart enough to know a good deal when he saw it. Step down as chair for the dnc and recommend Wassermann Schultz in exchange for vice presidency. He is a good debater too, he really stayed on topic, all he did really was talk about trump
Pithulu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, because his Vice President would take over.
idreamofdinos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly surprised some nut hasn't already tried.
TheScoresWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Two have tried and we're both arrested for attempted murder
idreamofdinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well damn, why have I not heard of this?
itsmywanderingmind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hatred breeds hatred
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it fucked up that there's a deep down part of me that agrees
TheFlyingBastard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I mean, can't we just drone this guy?"
dazy143 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, I remember back in 2007 a kid in my eighth grade history class wished that Hillary would be assassinated. I wonder if he ever thought she would get this far.
Oh_THAT_Guy_GMD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals don't support guns though.
ChronosFT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your 4th grader is already familiar with Second Amendment solutions. He's a Constitutionalist.
avantgardeaclue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I met a grown man, a Bernie supporter, who said he was going to assassinate Trump then he made me listen to his Bill Clinton impression(I felt like throwing that in because OF COURSE he did). You meet some interesting folks working on campaigns...
bubscuf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
European here, and I've heard my grandma talk about Trump getting assassinated. I can see where she's coming from. Aside from all the racism/sexism/everything, Trump has talked about not honouring NATO and is very pro-Putin. The way I see it, my continent is in danger if he's President.
TheIzzonator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TBH that wouldn't be awful. Pence seems like a toned down Trump.
astronautassblaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you mean suicided?
oldude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard this guy say the same thing. Not 4th grader, though...he's 83...my FIL...staunch lifelong conservative...wants a President Pence.
Awildbadusername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hell no. I do not want to see trump get shot. I'd much rather have 4 terms of trump then a single term of pence.
Thameus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, bilateral consensus.
Motrinman22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean...you know...if it were to happen... That's how imagine it'd go down.
Polymemnetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suicide. With 6 bullets in the back of the head, and some crack sprinkled on him.
ky_ginger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I overheard a conversation the other day in which the two people were talking about how we need to pay more attention to the Vice President candidates, since one of them is going to end up president when whoever is elected gets assassinated. I thought "holy shit" and then "wait, she's right".
Stunner900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should report the kid, he sounds violent...
LegendOfPublo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At the middle school where I teach, kids think he'll get assassinated, but I don't think any of them hope he does.
tomorsomthing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he is standing trial for the rape of a minor this December. Considering the history of how sexual misconduct and impeachments interact in this country, he won't even step foot into office before the bill to get him out hits the Senate floor.
Golightly314 ยท 2286 points ยท Posted at 14:55:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but work with kids 5-18.
Middle/high schoolers make fun of Trump and use his name synonymously with "idiot". He's the butt of most of their jokes. Snippets I've heard: "Whatever, Trump, I didn't want your Skittles anyway," "If you weren't being such a Trump we would have let you play." "Looks like either way we'll have our first female president!"
Then little ones haven't said much, although the other day a 6 year old boy told us "Trump doesn't like brown people and I'm brown. He also has weird hair. My whole family hates him cuz he's mean."
I live in a blue state.
Good_old_Marshmallow ยท 284 points ยท Posted at 14:59:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also in a blue state back in my day we did the same thing with Sarah Palin. Also Micheal Jackson which made it weird when he died and suddenly everyone loved him.
[deleted] ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 15:58:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Wargen-Elite ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:47:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our Conservative Party actually has more in common with Democrats. Canada is just that far left haha.
19djafoij02 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:11:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Most countries' entire political spectrum lies within the Democratic mainstream, between Senator Sanders and Senator Manchin. Yes, some non-western countries are more homophobic, but on the organizing of society almost everywhere is at least centrist.
Wargen-Elite ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mm true. But for others reading this who don't know, our Conservative Party is our farthest right party that actually has political power.
Our current Government run by the Liberal Party, would probably be (wrongfully) called a communist party in the States. We don't have a communist party, as we fucking destroyed them.
19djafoij02 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:59:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liberal and NDP would both be progressive Dems on either side of Sanders.
jebatwork ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sanders to hillbot
19djafoij02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought Biden was even more centrist than Hillary. Okay, maybe Sanders to Manchin.
sugarsofly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
canada is not far left.
atomfullerene ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with such assumptions is that somebody always comes along to prove them wrong. Don't assume Trump is as bad as it gets though...imagine somebody like Trump, but actually competent enough to get his approval ratings higher.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I still don't know why he thought invading Iraq was a good idea. It evidently seemed like a good idea at the time, so I guess we can't really blame him too much. Saddam Hussein was massacring innocent Kurds and doing other horrible deeds, although the irony of the United States not tolerating Iraq's crimes while allowing Saudi Arabia to conduct atrocities isn't lost on me.
I guess at the time it must have seemed necessary. Even if it was needed, Bush didn't do a good job. The idiot left a huge mess which would eventually create ISIS and may or may not have contributed to the Syrian civil war and refugee crisis. Not only that, but he also fucked up the US economy in the process with a war that - combined with Afghanistan - wasted trillions of dollars. On top of that, Iraq wasn't even the country from where the 9/11 terrorists came from. That would be like the British declaring war on the Netherlands in WW2 when it was Germany that had invaded Poland.
I wouldn't be so angry if he had actually taken responsibility and fixed the mess he made. Do what the Americans did while occupying Japan. Rebuild destroyed cities, put previous leaders on a tighter leash instead of executing them so they can help keep the country stabilized, and enact democratic reforms to make Iraq a richer and more developed place. Yes, it would had been expensive, but invading another country in the first place is not exactly cheap, and not something that should be done without an actual plan A - and a plan B just in case.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its interesting to look back, so many people thought George W was the end all be all of evil (especially since I'm muslim and grew up around lots of muslims). But at this point I think most people would prefer him to either candidate.
NotObsoleteIfIUseIt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still better than Trump or Palin. I'm just hoping that Michelle Obama runs in 2020. I'm pretty sure she'll win even if I don't vote.
FancyCooters ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a terrible idea.
hamiltonne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friday at work my comment was "at least Bush was quiet".
mightandmagic88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Have you heard Jon Lajoie's song "Michael Jackson is Dead"?
Edit: I should note it has explicit lyrics and is Not Safe For Work.
deadbeatsummers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I remember back in elementary school, MJ was basically the boogeyman.
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh we had one of those in Britain!! She was a cancerous wretch of a person who stuck to the asshole of lower-tier celebrity like a boil. Then she actually got cancer and died. Now everyone thinks she's in heaven playing table tennis with Princess Diana.
RedTheSnapper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. In middle school some classmates used to play "michael jackson tag" which was jist regular tag only everyone said that the guy who was it was Michael Jackson, and whenever anyone was tagged they'd say "you're it, no jacksonbacks".
This started maybe a week before he died.
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is crazy. Palin is legitimately stupid. I kind of feel offended they're putting equating the two.
Rihsatra ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of Micheal Jackson before.
Manleather ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 15:11:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sometimes a child's sense of humor is extraordinary.
Edit- Trump has a lot of insecurity issues, calling him a woman is less about putting down a gender as much as it is poking at his specific issues, which makes me laugh; he tries really hard to put up a wall about those insecurities.
BipedSnowman ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:00:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But sexist :/
chengiz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:53:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I don't get it.
edit: "Trump's a woman" is extraordinary humor? I was happier when I didn't get it.
ClairlyBrite ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:52:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's, "Trump is a bitch, so doesn't matter who wins, we'll have a female president." But I'm not sure.
Ex-Red ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:51:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes a child's sense of humor is misogynist.
[deleted] ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 16:45:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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shipitholla ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop being such a Trump bro.
theycallmeryan ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a pussy lmao
Katnipz ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:50:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't ever expect much constructive criticism from floridaman, so don't worry, I understand your disabilities and accept your comment.
osufan765 ยท -44 points ยท Posted at 16:02:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And your sense of humor is no fun. Fuck off back to your safe space.
winstonsmithluvsbb ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:23:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You seem triggered
theycallmeryan ยท -21 points ยท Posted at 17:45:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delete this
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DropkickPutty ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:39:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying that you don't believe that middle/high school males have ever called their other male friends "girls" as an insult?
Man, when you get to middle school you are in for a rude awakening.
[deleted] ยท 119 points ยท Posted at 15:05:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Lonelan ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 15:20:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but what do the kids say about Trump and Clinton?
eternalwood ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:25:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hehe
bent42 ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 15:23:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow.
_Rogue_Shadow_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:11:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, that was great
Nambot ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:45:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the old reddit electaroo
ordinarypsycho ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:11:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hold my ballot, I'm going in!
Jebediah_Blasts_off ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:54:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
reads ballot
who the hell is "Deez Nuts"?
Orpheusdeluxe ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hold my voting ballot, im going in
PM_your_recipe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha ha....
Oh shit I live in Texas.
cries
PENDRAGON23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
List your type of injury:
โโ Abrasion
โโ Bruise
โโ Burn
โโ Concussion
โโ Fracture
. . .
GuyBelowMeDoesntLift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐๐๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They really are subhuman and retarded.
liftoffer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"You think you're Trump enough to get a spot on the ISS?"
GoodOlSpence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Live n a blue state now but grew up in Louisiana (super red). What kinds of things are you hearing?
ThrasherBoys ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:24:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well the other day my friend was looking for an email from a month ago and he said "I can't find it.. it must have gotten deleted" and I said "Okay Hillary" and people just generally don't like her here. girls like her a bit more but they still don't like her
yomama629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a proper joke fam
HowIsntBabbyFormed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the absolute best /r/nocontext I've ever seen.
cgprats ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:38:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a swing state. They're both the butt of our jokes.
lochnesswaterhorse ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:50:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is another word for fart in my country. Your post was funnier than you probably intended it to be.
cgprats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What country? I enjoy learning slang and vocabulary from other languages/groups
lochnesswaterhorse ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:36:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
England
throwaway-123- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:55:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
England has the best slang.
cgprats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. American slang is boring.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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cgprats ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:46:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ride shotgun for 'murica. You know because it takes an American to mix guns into cars.
For British, probably "flat".
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. It's weird, the middle schoolers hate Hilary, but most of the high school students rag on trump.
cgprats ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is very true.
baabaablackjeep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the state that's the butt of every joke.
Please get me out of here. Everyone has guns on their guns on their guns and drives 80mph+ at all possible times.
Trell3k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like as in a sex swing? Or like swingers as in you do my wife I'll do yours
tuesdayoct4 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 15:20:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a very Hispanic elementary school. I've totally heard kids use Trump as an insult at my school along the older grades.
orangeunrhymed ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:34:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 7yo daughter just told me that the game Trump Run is popular with the kids who have smart phones and iPads.
My son is in middle school and Trump is a running joke there - they call him names like "angry Mexican hater".
I live in a moderate town in a red state.
PromptedHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you please explain this red/blue state bs?
orangeunrhymed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
PromptedHawk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
sopheroo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:43:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love them.
Bullsgirlusf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:23:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Overheard my kids (6&9), just this morning, having a conversation about not wanting Trump to win because he'll make the black kids go to a different school and they won't get to go to school with some of their friends anymore (we're white).
We interrupted to explain that he couldn't actually do that and asked who told them that, but no real answer. Just, "well, he doesn't like black people."
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:33:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like your kids are on a certain popular website.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:12:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my state, a Republican state, people use Clinton as a joke.
SunTzuIsMyFavourite ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:15:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Canadian, this stance pleases me.
lolredditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember similar stuff with Clinton and Bush.
djnicko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Houston, Texas. Never heard a 5th or 6th grader say anything positive about Trump. They have even started bullying about it, falsely accusing people of liking Trump, just to get people to jeer them. It has been pretty surprising.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think Donald Trump's hair looks either like old house insulation or corn silk. ๐๐ป
gsupanther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In some parts of England, trump means fart
terriblehuman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that slang catches on with the rest of the country.
liquidxlax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wouldn't have thought that paying youtubers and celebrities would have worked so well to create that mindset amongst even youths
Foxclaws42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin's training a therapy dog right now for her anxiety. Her "go take a shit" command is "go Trump."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is amazingly awesome!
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Golightly314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What a weird thing that would be to lie about.
saremei ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 16:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"trump doesn't like brown people".... Yet he spent considerable time and money fighting discrimination his entire career. Commended by Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow Push coalition for his dedication to the cause. Publicly backed by Louis Farrakhan because he's the complete opposite of racist.
Trump has done more than the entire democrat party to fight racism. Democrat politicians merely see black people as votes and nothing more.
superlaserbeam ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:08:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually hilarious that you're so deluded.
saremei ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:39:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only one deluded is you. Where's your proof of racism? Hmm? Where is it? Where is him saying anything negative about black people even once? No where. We have decades of news articles backing trump and only the current baseless campaign smearing from the hillary camp against him. You're the one with no proof for your positions. You just go by what you are told by others, not what reality shows you.
Pinky626 ยท 1358 points ยท Posted at 14:51:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids were running around playing while I watched the first debate, paying no attention, and my 7 yr old son stopped suddenly, looked at the TV and said "Donald Trump is a rude guy, he keeps interrupting Hilary Clinton."
UnicornOnTheJayneCob ยท 748 points ยท Posted at 16:12:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid had a similar reaction. "What is wrong with that man? Why is he being so rude to that lady? He sounds CRAZY!"
[deleted] ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 18:36:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
puts lips on microphone
"WRONG."
Tazzies ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:40:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sniffle
ShadowWolf58 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:26:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time he did that he looked like someone on trial for something terrible like arson and four counts of manslaughter. Just a vibe I got from it
trivial_trivium ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:21:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha that's so cute.
Ferfrendongles ยท -92 points ยท Posted at 18:58:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey to be a better shill, you should comment some things that aren't Trump related sometimes, and also, tell your bosses that gaps in posting of more than a few months, then immediately changing style and attacking a single politician, are really suspicious.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:55:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, Trump's personality is so abhorrent that the majority of people on the planet think he's a piece of shit.
UnicornOnTheJayneCob ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 21:58:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, you are actually the first person to directly accuse me of being a shill! I canโt tell you how pleased I am. I was really starting to get worried that I was shilling poorly and that they would stop depositing my checks.
I mean, really, months of this and nothing so far. I have been sitting in meetings over at Goldman HQ and hearing all of these stories of my fellow shills being called out on the internet for their enthusiasm and vocal supportโฆand I havenโt heard a damn word. I was really starting to feel inadequate. I mean, I have been actively shilling since the PRIMARY for godโs sake.
And I work hard.
Go ahead, ask me a question.
Do you want to know about Hillaryโs record with marriage equality? I gotcha. You want a cute little anecdote about her life? I have you covered. Testimony about her time as a senator? I LIVE in New York and voted for her TWICE. I can tell you about her liberal record, and how it compares to her colleagues in the senate. I can speak at great length about her position on gun control and her vote for the Iraq war. I can tell the story of my own conversion from Bernie to Shilling for Hill. I can list off at least a dozen reasons why I think she is going to be a fantastic president, right off the top of my head, and without mentioning Mr. Trump once!
I even own an extensive collection of headbands.
In fact, I am wearing one right now.
But does anyone ever ask me? Or acknowledge the work that I do? Well, aside from the money from CTR, I mean. The answer is a resounding, horribly disappointing NO! Not even onceโฆ.until today.
Thank you thank you thank you.
I feel incredibly validated right now.
My little liberal corporate stooges in the making are going to dine out on sweet shill bucks tonight. (I think we get a bonus)
I have officially arrived.
/#ImWithHer
IrredeemableFox ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 22:30:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was fucking awesome.
Blurr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:43:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I was the kind of person who gave people gold for comments (ie, not poor), I would be all up on this.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 00:26:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Ogler ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 00:30:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turns out osmium isn't the densest naturally occurring element.
RelevantComics ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 19:14:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
maybe some people don't like trump
escalinci ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:46:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It certainly seems like a possibility.
The_Ogler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But...why not?
RelevantComics ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:37:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he's a dishonest, disagreeable person
Foxclaws42 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:39:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have "Make America great again" sharpied onto your tinfoil hat by any chance?
Ferfrendongles ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 00:41:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck everything this year, including trump, but like the rest of America, I want to see Hillary burn for what she's trying to pull over on us all.
GrumpyFalstaff ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:13:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shut up.
Luckyawesome43 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:37:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One could say that your profile is all pro trump. We are allowed opinions yaknow
nermid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:04:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was professional courtesy, and he thought he was talking from one paid poster to another. Maybe we're reading this all wrong, and it's just sincere advice from the Trump campaign.
psclafani ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:16:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. My daughter wandered in and said, "He talks like a teenage girl."
xstitches4snitches ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:02:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 4 year old LOVES Trump. I think she sees him as a goofy cartoon like character. We stopped watching the news around her.
notLOL ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:59:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great idea
KingJak117 ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 15:06:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did he say about Kaine in the VP debate?
Mknowl ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 15:18:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who in the what?
colefly ยท 313 points ยท Posted at 15:33:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently they did a spinoff show
MarxistHorse ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:00:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It got cancelled after one episode though. The new main characters were really boring.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man I miss The Ropers...
kaze0 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Corporate Kane
LegioVIFerrata ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:48:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He, like millions of Americans, formed his opinions on the VP debate by reading article headlines the next day.
ExtraCheesyPie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Donald Trump objectively lost the second debate by being a bully" -Local newspaper verbatim
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that a pro Trump Statement?
LegioVIFerrata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a commentary on the low viewership.
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ok
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:50:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm... I watched the whole VP debate. Kaines face was very punchable.
FallenAngelII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could call it... a backpfeifengesicht.
KingJak117 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like being spoonfed too
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Implying...?
Drachefly ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:25:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The VP debate had a weird format which involved 'open discussion', where the two candidates were both given floor time at the same time. Kaine DID interrupt too much, but many of his interjections were simply trying to get a word in edgewise through Pence's claiming the shared time for himself.
As you can see, Pence spent much more time talking.
RedDevils9 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:04:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also to be fair, half of Pence's time was spent outright lying as well.
FallenAngelII ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:09:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not giving him enough credit. I'd say he lied at least 60% of the time.
vorschact ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:59:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Hoosier, fuck Mike Pence.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU. I've had people say "I wish Trumped dropped out because Pence seems okay." They seriously don't understand the fucked up beliefs and policies he wants. He's one of those "real rape doesn't make babies and planned parenthood/gays are evil". Happy for IN he is out.
vorschact ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Few remember Richard Mourdoch, the "rape is god's gift" guy also coming out of the tea party that election year, or his (undermining a democratically elected position)[http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/07/pence-signs-bill-stripping-ritz-education-authority/70966236/]because his party lost the race, or RFRA.
Wiggly_Muffin ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:13:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good ole Kiddy Diddler Kaine
ProgrammingPants ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:41:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tim Kain is a fucking creep and it shocks me that no one talks about it. He's literally being accused of the rape of a 13 year old girl, and the court proceedings for the case will begin in December.
And that goes without mentioning the oddly sexual comments he made about his own daughter when she was still a child, or the inappropriate remarks he was caught on video making to ten year old girls.
PM_ME_IASIP_QUOTES ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:55:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WAIT A MINUTE!
kaenneth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:52:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And Trump is accused of being Hilter reincarnated.
come back with proof.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That person was joking by listing things about trump lol
kaenneth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ah, well, I know next to nothing about the VP candidates, I did spot: http://www.snopes.com/tim-kaine-yells-at-his-daughter/ from a quick search, so it seemed relevant.
runrightbacktoher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"WRonG"
Toxicitor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pinkyson2016
morganrbvn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bet he loved Tim Kaine.
Ferfrendongles ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol I love how nothing you guys say ever smacks of reality because it's made up. It's like everything you do is tainted and doomed to fail simply because of how you go about it.
Can't get the masses to swallow your pill? Why, of course, the answer is to be super dick bags and insult all day.
The masses feel sympathy for the man you're attacking, even as they hate who he is as a person? Obviously, the solution is to lie some more.
[deleted] ยท -37 points ยท Posted at 16:45:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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aly5321 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:10:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Into what? Into thinking that it's okay for someone to interrupt a person while it's the other person's turn? The kid didn't say shit about policy or anything. He made an observation. That's it. Chill out for a sec yo.
Mbeatrice ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:31:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about?
theivoryserf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
T R U M P I S A L O S E R
Lux_cs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:29:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you didn't say Drumpf
[deleted] ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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DismemberMama ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 21:11:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the biggest consequences form this shit show of an election. Even if (when) Trump loses, we can't erase the terrifying number of supporters that he's radicalized, and we can't erase the cultural divides that have been strengthed. This doesn't end on Nov. 8th.
Slimjeezy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a white guy who was living in ferguson... The mutal truce ended that sunday night when the QT burned down.
prancingElephant ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:02:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is really upsetting...
WorkerBee74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:56 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he wouldn't be wrong...
saintshiva ยท 314 points ยท Posted at 15:51:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teach 4th grade in Texas, despite being a red state the majority of my students are pro Hilary. We have had some discussions on the electoral votes versus a popular vote election I try and limit their calling out of candidate opinions but I have heard,"Trump is a racist" a lot " He wants to get rid of Mexicans" . I have a few kids that support Trump they have stated things like "Hilary will destroy the country" and "Hilary stole from the White House". Obviously the kids are parroting what they hear from home. Anytime a Trump picture comes up most will boo though.
Darthcaboose ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:39:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You teaching in Austin?
saintshiva ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:51:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teach in Fort Worth.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:21:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine that it'd be pretty much any huge city here. Austin, San Antonio, and Houston are pretty blue, and I could see certain parts of DFW being like that too.
But something like Tyler or Lubbock? I'd be shocked.
TheFlashFrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was gonna ask that too lol.
here_to_leave ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:36:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where in Texas? I live in ETX and I haven't heard a single person say they support Hillary here. Granted it is a small town, but even neighboring towns and cities, I have seen maybe one pro Hillary anything
exitpursuedbybear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have elementary age children and I've heard their friend pretty much dissing trump.
lcarlson6082 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:30:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to the polling average Trump leads Clinton by less than 6 points in Texas.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in suburban east Texas in a very conservative area. I see very little in terms of actual Trump support. Vast majority of people around here voted for Cruz in the primary. I see more cars with Romney bumper stickers still on them then Trump ones, and everyone who I have heard talk about the election hates him. That said, they hate Hillery even more. I know a lot of people who are saying they might not vote at all. Most who vote will vote for Trump because of the R next to his name, and a small number will vote for Johnson.
lcarlson6082 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of non-conservative areas of Texas as well. Voter registration for latinos is at a record high in Texas and many other states. The polls have consistently shown an unusually tight race in Texas, about twice as close as 2012. You can't judge a whole state by your particular area.
bert88sta ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because Texans are actual conservatives. Trump is not.
rhinguin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:54:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is not a republican. He is an outsider who knew he couldn't win third party, so he took one over.
bert88sta ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:09:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't agree more. I think recently a fairly large Dallas newspaper endorsed Gary Johnson. Conservatives and Republicans (very different things at this point) are unhappy about Trump.
I can't actually think many religious or fiscally conservative points of Trump's.
Planned Parenthood : "Does great work" - Trump
Gay Marriage : "It's the law of the land" -Trump
He said he'd take guns from people on the no-fly list, which many conservatives feel is irrevocable and unconstitutional.
He's only a supporter of free speech only when the institutions in question praise him. Otherwise it's slander, libel, or defamy.
ChatGarou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I'm in SETX and it's Trump signs as far as the eye can see.
........I should move
notLOL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The truth is stranger than fiction. Where this comes from:
The accounting office confirmed that $9,324 had been spent to repair or replace various items and to clean offices. That included $4,850 for 62 keyboards, $2,040 for 26 cellphones and $1,150 for professional cleaning. In addition, the White House and the General Services Administration estimated that it cost $3,750 to $4,675 to replace missing doorknobs, medallions and office signs and the large presidential seal, the accounting office said.
'A Secret Service report documented the theft of a presidential seal that was 12 inches in diameter from the Eisenhower Executive Office Building,'' next to the White House, on Jan. 19, 2001, the accounting office said.
PMMeYourStoolSample ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she's just trying to return it all before anyone notices.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me back in!!! I love what the Obamas left in there! Michelle has great taste in furniture.
amsterdam_pro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She did "borrow" some furniture.
Moskeeto93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would she have borrowed furniture when Trump could have shown her where to get the best furniture?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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saintshiva ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fort Worth. School is a 1/3 mix between the big three races here in Texas.
TaehlsGolightly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Austin huh?
ButtsexEurope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Austin?
saintshiva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fort Worth.
Vanetia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter is in middle school and told me the other day that her classmates will do the same thing: boo any time trump comes up.
We are in SoCal fwiw so maybe half the student pop is hispanic
mirandatree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Dallas, it seems to almost be split down the middle here. Lots of overwhelming support for Trump (it's TX and people like guns). My family and most of my friends are hands down for Hillary. TX has an increased hispanic population vs pretty much every where else in the US from what I've heard. A lot of people are terrified of losing their hispanic friends/family. It's really scary. I'm still really young and politics were never my thing, but this election seems so important, no one knows what's going to happen and that shakes me to the core. I remember when Obama was elected it was such an amazing step for our country and I feel like we're taking 3 steps back if Trump is elected. Hillary wouldn't be great either, but she'd be better than him IMO.
intentsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do the Texas people who like guns know that Donald Trump doesn't allow guns in his buildings?
mirandatree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it. The general mind set over here is "Trump is a man=Trump is better. Hillary lied so she must be evil" (because normal people never lie) I'll have to start spreading that fact like a Cali fire. Thanks man
jagerben47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well Hillary is a classic Republican and Trump isn't so it's no wonder most of the kids are pro-her.
beazley26 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:08:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's hope for Texas to become blue yet. At least we have that.
Kapjak ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:43:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's just a major city in Texas which are usually blue.
NiobiumGoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Texas here. Nope.
morganrbvn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
unlikely. its probably just in Austin.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or really any of the bigger cities.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol there's no way
lcarlson6082 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The polling average shows Trump leading by less than 6 points.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only poll that matters is November 8. On the eve of Brexit they had "leave" with a 25% chance of winning and look at how that turned out
lcarlson6082 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So then on what basis can you say Trump will win Texas if the polls cant be trusted?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense. When's the last time Texas went blue?
lcarlson6082 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not since 1976. But when's the last time Utah was a battleground state? It's a tight race there, and the Democrat may win Utah for the first time in since 1964.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tight race? Trump is up +17 in Utah...
lcarlson6082 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to one poll. Another has them tied, and others have Trump with single digit leads. Romney won Utah by 48%, McCain by 38%.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
According to the latest poll after the wikileaks evangelical emails. Look on realclearpolitics, Trump is up +9 average
lcarlson6082 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but look at the historical context. The past two nominees won Utah by at least 38%, so winning Utah by single digits is a warning sign.
Phredex ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:53:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what is it like to teach in a special needs school? Because it is very true that Hillary and Bill took over $200,000 worth of art and furnishings when they left the White House.
They had to return quite a bit of it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121856&page=1
gc3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting, the goods were gifts received by the Clintons, but if the gifts are for the President in the White House it stays but if it to Mr. Clinton it can be taken. Subtle
saintshiva ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice call kids names because 9 year olds don't remember the transition of the Clinton to Bush White House, or they(their parents most likely) disagree with supporting Trump.
atticus_card1na1 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:20:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word on the playground is Donald Trump wants to ban Pokemon go. We're worried
ExtraCheesyPie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:32:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It prevents Dems from Pokemon Go-ing to the polls.
Atheistic_Alex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:46:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were beaten to the punch by a few months.
oxford_llama_ ยท 13596 points ยท Posted at 15:16:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Only semi relevant, but when Obama was running for president I had a sickening amount of students tell me that Obama has "smelly weird skin."
I'd always ask them where they heard that and they would always say from their parents. I'd politely chat with the parents when they came to pick them up, not in an accusing way but just in a "your child is repeating what you say" way.
They always acted shocked and confused and apologized profusely. Being a black teacher in the South has been interesting.
Edit: this is a strange website. Edit 2: thanks for the gold. And for the skeptical I did not say that the children or parents were racist. I simply heard the children making statements that perhaps did not foster a positive learning environment, and notified the parents that the children perhaps needed a lesson about appropriateness. I apologize for my grammar mistakes, and I'm sorry that they seem to distract from my simple answer. Race in America is a heavy topic, all I did was mention one of my experiences.
[deleted] ยท 5076 points ยท Posted at 15:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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lola_fox ยท 1314 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was working in an Exceptional student center once when I had a student walk up to me and punch me, no provocation at all. This was common behavior for the child, along with cursing and outbursts of rage. and he'd go back and forth to being very polite and doing his work. The ESE specialist asked him where he learned these words/behavior and he said "my dad".
it really makes you think how influential parental actions are.
Bullsgirlusf ยท 872 points ยท Posted at 16:16:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a kindergartner once tell a classmate he was going to bring a gun to school and shoot me. When asked why he said that, he said, "I was just joking like my dad does."
[deleted] ยท 325 points ยท Posted at 16:42:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha when I was in kindergarten I told one of my friends that I would kill her and her family, as a joke. I got sent up to the office for saying that. To this day, I don't know where I got that from, because my parents never joke around or even speak about death like that.
StoneHolder28 ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 17:04:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids often mispeak or leave out context.
I remember when I was in elementary school I nearly got my grandfather in trouble because I said at school that he "beats me up" at games. I just meant he "beats" me and wins a lot.
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:44:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was about 5 or 6, my mom, her friend ("Mary"), and the friend's friend ("Julie") decided to share carpooling duties to bring the 3 kids to school. One day I casually mentioned to my mom that Julie drinks and drives on the way to bringing us to school. My mom panicked because she really didn't know Julie and was relying on Mary's friendship with her to prove she was a responsible person.
My mom felt considerably better when I followed up with "Yeah, every day, she drinks a mug of coffee while driving us to school."
(In fairness, they never really specific what "Don't Drink and Drive" means on the commercials!)
henrythe8thiam ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:25:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, I remember telling my teacher the same thing about my mom when I was in elementary school. She would also drink coffee on the way to drop me off at school. Kids are very literal.
MyriadMuse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminded of Helga's mom from Hey Arnold and her "smoothies"
xTRS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember getting picked up from school and having to ask my mom "Is that regular water?" before taking a sip. Sometimes it was scotch and water, but she'd bring a juice pack or something for me.
Even in hindsight, I'm not too concerned. She wasn't drunk, she never had a problem. Most likely she made herself a drink after work and just brought it with her to sip instead of leaving it to melt or chugging it all at once.
NiobiumGoat ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:23:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I one said to my kindergarten teacher my mom drives a racecar, without clarification. I thought that was the case cause it has that aerodynamic fin thing on the back.
Like this but light grey
Edit: It has come to my attention this i called a car spoiler
bobthejeffmonkey ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 17:54:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whoa, spoiler alert
Old_man_at_heart ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:51:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler. Pretty much a fancy decoration on anything that's not a race car or moving as fast as a race car.
chronoslol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aerodynamics come into player at much slower speeds than you'd think. Certainly at highway speeds they play quite a big part in fuel efficiency etc. You'd actually use measurably less fuel if you ripped your spoiler off in most cases.
Old_man_at_heart ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:03:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I meant is that it's more or less a decoration, unless it's properly installed and you regularly drive in excess of 100 km/h.
Edit: it may have negative effects sooner then you would see any positive effects, but the spoiler on your daily driver is to make it sporty and pretty much nothing more.
h4rpur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100km/hr is only 62 though... I think almost everyone regularly drives faster than 100kph
Old_man_at_heart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then almost everyone should constantly be getting ticketed. Where I live in Canada the speed limit is usually 50-60 km/h. On certain parts of the highway it could be up to 100. Speeding is naturally going to happen, but it's not usually going to be twice the speed limit.
h4rpur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here in Arizona highway speed limit is 75 mph. That's 120kph.
Speed of traffic is often 85mph.
I think this why we hate snowbirds from Canada so much.
Old_man_at_heart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, snow birds are usually old people... many of which drive slower than our speed limits. The trans canada highway in my area is 90km/h, but you'll definitely see people flying past you like your standing still. This guy goes past my old house.
stellvia2016 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's toddler says I drive a race car as well, because the design is a lot more aerodynamic than his parents compact car. When I watch him for her sometimes, I get to say c'mon lets go for a ride in the race car!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
spoiler car spoiler
an-ok-dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The gear head kids at my high school made spoilers for their shitty 15-20 year old buicks/cadellaics
Dog-boy ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:29:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When a friend of mine was about 6 the police showed up at his door to speak to his parents. Apparently they'd been called because G was telling people at school that his cousin was on drugs. Some kid had repeated this at home and the parents called the police. They came to the house to check into what he was saying. His parents were horrified and asked why he was saying that. His response was, "She must be because no one could be that stupid if they weren't." Just to be clear his cousin was about 7 at the time.
LaraCroftWithBCups ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One time when I was little (like five or something), police came to our school to talk about drugs and stuff, and apparently in their presentation they said "Cigarettes are just as bad as drugs," so me being a child was like "Oh my mom does drugs," which I proceeded to tell them. My poor mother had to go into the school and defend herself and explain that she just smoked cigarettes. Luckily nothing else came of it.
AnonymousWritings ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:15:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in grade 8 a kid told me: "When I grow up, I am going to find you and nuke your house."
I still don't entirely know what was up with that. I never really talked to him, and haven't seen him since grade 8.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:29:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that kid's name was Kim Jung Un
closest ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:08:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably television. In America there is a lot of violence on TV, so you could've picked it up from the news or absentmindedly from a crime show/doc special.
kongu3345 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:19:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Violins on TV?! What's wrong with violins on TV? I like classical music.
exrex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am definitely watching the wrong channels.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:29:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PBS is awesome, man.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:23:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once a classmate called me a sandwich killer during lunch as I was eating a sandwich, naturally since he was eating a cereal bar I called him a cereal killer. Later that day I was taken aside by a teacher who said a fellow classmate overheard our conversation and was "afraid"... my teacher looked at me and said she never expected that kind of behaviour from me. I tried to explain my logic about him calling me a sandwich killer and him eating a cereal bar etc, but she wouldn't hear it. So I got detention for the first time and my only guess to why was that 1. Girls can't call someone a killer but boys can. 2. Cereal was superior and can't be insulted. A few years later I finally learned what a serial killer was and understood. Legit didn't even have the word in my vocabulary. Just cereal.
vampire_vladd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When I was in high school it was around the time that that the Columbine shooting happened. Prior to that I wore a black duster to school (I was an emo teen who watched wrestling) and was forced to stop wearing my "trench coat" because so many students were afraid.
Not long after that I started to get bullied everyday so one day I told a friend that bullies like this are why things like Columbine happen and found myself in the office sitting across from a girl who was my friend bawling because I "threatened to shoot up the school"
Edit: Grammer
Grimsterr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Television would be my guess, the news these days... I mean the "news" should use quotes...
GrewUpWith2Dads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fast times at Columbine High
Tenocticatl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Son, these five words are going to be the most important thing you'll ever learn, so memorise them well:"It's just a prank, bro."'
MisanthropeX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seven year old me once threatened to "Columbine the next hairless ape who touches my jean jacket"
moncaisson ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:20:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I were a kid who was caught doing something I shouldn't be doing, you know what I'd do? I'd shift the blame onto someone else.
MHM5035 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:56:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but shifting blame to dad isn't something that usually happens as a way out. That's shifting blame to sibling/other student/misinformation. "Where did you learn that?" "Dad." is gonna be pretty legit.
Source: am teacher
Gingerdyke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah usually as a kid you want to avoid your parents finding out. That means blaming everything on anybody else.
Though it's a bit more of a wild card with age I think. Teenagers are a bit better at thinking strategically and they may try some crazier stuff.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:12:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does exceptional refer to those who are unable to perform in a standard classroom setting without extensive extra help? Because the name would imply the opposite.
KebNes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I did paraeducation for a grade school, there was the little girl who struggled big time with her reading and refused to learn. I asked why and she told me her mom said she was too pretty to read. I told the teacher who asked her mom.
"She will marry rich, it is her only chance. She's dumb as a brick." Is what the mom said.
agentma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How old was she?
KebNes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The mom was mid 20s, the girl was seven.
kochevnikov ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:18:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole point of education is to try to cut the tie between the stupidity of the parent and the behaviour of the child.
It's why dumb people find public education so threatening. It diminishes their ability to perpetuate their own ignorance.
PM_ur_Rump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well put.
rondabyarmbar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did the kid's dad punched you in the first place?
eavingsrescue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is extremely influential. My ex is/was abusive to everyone in his life. His youngest son, who is 8, is a lovely boy but he has started imitating his fathers behaviour. Just like his dad - He hits things and doesn't understand why he shouldn't. He yells and screams when he is frustrated, like his dad. He says disrespectful things to women because he hears his dad do it ("jokingly").
He literally sees his father as infallible and although he is abused physically and emotionally often, he copies the behaviour because that is the role model he has.
I'm not the boys mother, by the way.
sparkly_butthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you said exceptional student I had hope that maybe you meant smart kids were getting individual, challenging help.
Turns out, nope.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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lola_fox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:44:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In Florida public school, ESE or Exceptional Student Education is for students with intellectual, physical or emotional disabilities. For as long as I've been in public school and work in public school, students with disabilities have been referred to as such. There are further classifications for disabilities, but ESE is the broad term.
Do public schools in other states just use "Education for students with disabilities"?
username--_-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. I read that as ese(Spanish)
crackills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3yr old tells kids at daycare to go to their room. He also tells me he'll call mommy because Im not listening.
agentma ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:00:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's adorable.
Adama0001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump Jr?
King0fthejuice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:02:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So are the exceptional as in super smart and gifted or exceptional as in retarded?
lola_fox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
intellectually, physically and/or emotionally disabled.
oxford_llama_ ยท 2012 points ยท Posted at 15:40:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like the parents that don't know why their kids are cursing when they took them to see Deadpool last night. Lol
SmokeyBare ยท 1703 points ยท Posted at 15:54:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My little Johnny would never curse! Fuck you, bitch!"
shadow1515 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:49:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a couple who both curse like sailors. They have their entire lives, and are now having to figure out how to reverse the habit because their kid is 3 and is repeating everything they say. Their arguments about it are hilarious.
"She just said 'fuck', you need to watch your mouth."
"It wasn't me, watch your own fucking mouth."
"Well it sure as shit wasn't me either!"
[deleted] ยท 261 points ยท Posted at 16:13:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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silkysmoothjay ยท 593 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. Having words that are considered taboo is incredibly useful, as it allows us to make a strong impression with just a single word.
HillarysPornAccount ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 16:48:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:25:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Killsbury3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:05:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And my dad works at xbox
PANDASRCUTE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same.
mackzarks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, thanks
TerryNL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too thanks
emmanuelsayshai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:16:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
GRAB ME BY THE PUSSY, HILLARY
SoManyNinjas ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:53:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Fuck' is one of the most versatile words in the English language
Hautamaki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
taboo words are also useful for suppressing pain; that's why we have an instinct to swear vociferously when we slam our thumb with a hammer. How taboo the word is to you is correlated to how much a pain relief effect you get. People who habitually swear feel nothing when doing so and get very little effect. People who never swear because it is a strong taboo for them get a much stronger effect. So my advice to parents is to make swearing taboo for your children, so that when they hurt themselves and cuss out a blue streak they'll get maximum pain relief effect.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-we-swear/
tomatomater ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:03:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But fucking swear words have already been fucking overused by now that they've fucking lost their fucking meaning anyway. No fucking one is gonna make a big fucking deal if they hear a fucking person say "fuck" these fucking days.
Alaira314 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:43:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on the person doing the swearing, actually. I don't swear much verbally(never really got in the habit, as I didn't have many face to face friends and my parents would have kicked my ass), so if walk to to somebody I know and say "that guy is making me so fucking mad!" they know something's seriously up. With most people, that phrase might just mean "that guy's being annoying," but with me it carries more weight because I don't usually curse out loud.
Unless I hurt myself, then you bet I'm going to swear up a storm. Hey, it's science!
silian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a guy who curses a shit-ton, when I'm really serious about being pissed off or whatever you can tell because I will string quite a few curses together in a barely sensible manner. Like instead of what you said it's something like "That little shit-sucking bottom-feeding bilge-licking failed abortion mongoloid makes me want to skin him and make him into a belt" or somesuch. Regardless I'm pretty capable of getting my point across I think.
aerger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
..............Dad?
Morgan_Freemans_Mole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you hit a pole and wreck your fender, are you gonna punch your wheel and yell "darn" or "fuck"?
Bombkirby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In theory sure but in practice people just yell them when they spill a cup of water on the counter.
that-writer-kid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what I tell kids when we run into it. Swear words are powerful words, not bad words. If you use them too much they lose that, so use them only carefully and appropriately.
I then go home and curse wildly at video games. Carefully and appropriately.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How would we express pain if "fuck" was the same as "doorknob" or "pick?"
VIIIMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amen to that. My kids know that if daddy is using cuss words, things have gotten serious.
thisdesignup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But they are so over used when instead they should be used like salt. A little here and there but you wouldn't want to use too much or else you will spoil the meal. There's thousands of words to choose from to add emphasis yet people choose to use curse words. Makes reading and listening to some people pretty boring and expected when every few words they use the same word for emphasis.
harmsc12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crapbaskets.
KB_112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' A.
Jogsta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not you dumb idiot stupid butt hole ass hole head dumbass
asifnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking rights it does. This guy gets it.
TheManStache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this fucking guy gets it.
tuura032 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. You can make a strong impression with a single word if you know more words. Curse words enable people to become lazy with their vocabulary.
KeybladeSpirit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, having curse words that can be used for insults can, in a way, keep people from having their feelings hurt too badly. "FUCK YOU!" is ultimately a lot less hurtful than targeting someone's specific situation and characteristics.
Scarecrobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it comes down to how the words are said rather than the connotations a word has.
ItsDanimal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motherdick
OptionalDepression ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Frick.
PsychoPhilosopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention that they create a simple and easy to work with outlet for children to test the boundaries in their communication.
Curse words help us to teach children that there are some things that shouldn't be said, without having to wait for their other concept to develop to the point at which they can comprehend ideas like cruelty.
If you teach a child not to say "Shit" it's much easier for them to understand that it's unkind to tell homeless people they smell bad, or cancer patients that their bald heads look creepy as well.
lobehold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Swearing is easy though, it's not swearing that takes balls.
cheese_toasties ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't agree. It is all about context. Someone asking you intensely and very politely whilst holding a weapon is far worse than someone giggling and saying "Fuck".
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:55:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't just mention one scenario, and act like it's true for every scenario, lmao, wtf?
SoftkittywarmkittyAH ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you said this. I did think that that was a very specific reason to disagree with the opinion that curse words are strong, emotive words!
OhSoSavvy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. If everyone swore all the time and devalued words, it wouldn't be as impactful when I call my ex girlfriend a cunt
zarthblackenstein ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well your opinion is shit and you're wrong. It's vocal tone that seperates cussing from using "bad words", because tone can twist the intent behind using any word.
Those words you were talking about, only hold power because you associate them with a certain tone when used; if you don't use that tone, the brain of the recipient will be less likely to automatically go into defense mode when processing specific words.
I don't expect a rational reply either, because I started with an aggressive tone.
Asarath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. There have been studies which suggest swear words are stored in a seperate part of the brain to regular vocabulary (evidence includes these words being the first to return after brain damage causes a loss of language), and that swear words actually help inhibit pain when used compared to regular words (there's a lovely demonstration of this on the Fry's Planet Word documentary). It's not all tone- the semantic connotations assigned to swear words are very different from those assigned to the rest of the words in our language, and have effects outside of just threatening. They cannot be replaced by tone alone.
zarthblackenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ok, you still haven't made a good argument as to why "cuss" words should remain taboo.
Is it ok for some people to use them, and yet not others? Who determines when or when not it's appropriate to use a word? Why try to censor a person from using every tool in their vocabulary in order to convey their thoughts?
And even if they are stored in a different area of the brain, how do you know they can't be replaced by novel combinations of words, which could hold much more power? I would very much imagine our brains automatically categorize language based on the reception of others, why stand in the way of natural linguistic evolution?
I honestly believe it boils down to power, and the only reason why people like you stand in the way of changing semantics, is because you still want to play by old, obsolete rules.
Asarath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the reason "cuss" words have that power is from the social taboo that is semantically coded into them.
Even if we replaced our current swear words with new combinations, they would just become the new swear words with all the same taboos. It happens all the time as languages change. For example, in England, "bloody" used to be incredibly taboo, now it's barely a curse word. In the future new swear words will replace the old ones, as they have always done historically.
I highly recommend watching the episode of the documentary series Fry's Planet Word called "Uses and Abuses", as it gives a fantastic overview of the topic and some real insight into humans and swearing.
zarthblackenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone with a modicum of eloquence can do far more damage with a string of specific language, aimed at something(or someone) unpleasant, than anyone can do with words that only have shock value.
Asarath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah see, when you initially mentioned tone I thought you might actually be interested in the linguistics surrounding humans and taboo language, but I see now you're only interested in finding a way to think yourself superior to others.
Regardless, I still recommend the documentary I mentioned in my previous comment, and I hope you enjoy crafting new and eloquent phrases every time you stub your toe :)
zarthblackenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Superior? No, I just believe that certain words are likely to be categorized differently, depending on the person's background. And that every person should have the power to use their entire vocabulary freely without neurotic restraints.
So hell, even if certain words naturally evolve to land themselves in the land of taboos, there shouldn't be "rules" on what words we can and can't say, a person's vocabulary should evolve naturally depending on their contexts. Trying to impose vocabulary rules on your children, and other human beings, is a futile and oppressive endeavor. I've met parents who discipline their children for saying something as little as "stupid", it's fucking unequivocally ABSURD.
yemum69420 ยท 135 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then new words will be made that will be perceived as "worse" and they will be the new "swear words". We didn't designate words to be worse than others that's just how language and culture work.
shadow1515 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:51:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched this happen even in my lifetime. I remember some movie in the '90s where a kid said "sucks" and got scolded, and this was pretty common at the time. Now it's weird to think that anyone ever considered that bad language, even though the implication makes it obvious it's supposed to be vulgar or shocking. Same with crap, I would have gotten grounded by my parents if I said that word when I was 5 and now it's part of my Mormon mother's regular vocabulary.
ThunderMist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:03:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just watch hocus pocus by any chance? Completely unrelated.
shadow1515 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't seen it in a few years but now that you mention it I'm sure that's the movie I was talking about.
HippyHitman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An interesting thing about "sucks," especially, is that I don't think children understand the implication until a very late age. They know that "fuck" and "ass" mean something naughty, but I don't think many kids know what they're saying when they say something "sucks," it's just an expression of negativity.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, they definitely don't know the sexual aspect of it but I hear my sister (6 yo) say that stuff "sucks butthole".
r3gnr8r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think "sucks" has just begun to lose it's original meaning, like many other swear words. Sure it got it's original negative connotation from the sexual aspect of it, but overtime the original meaning loses it's importance so long as it's still understood as something generally negative.
thecraudestopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid, "fart" was taboo. Now health professionals use it.
Velkyn01 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine people would be like, "Well, now that everyone says 'cunt' all the time, we need to invent something worse." Like, who gets to make that call?
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:57:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's ask the Australians. They throw around the word "cunt" the way a teenage girl uses "like".
Velkyn01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teenage Australian girls must be a nightmare of "likes" and "cunts".
Yeah, yeah, phrasing.
alph4rius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:18:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dropkick, Seppo, Bludger and as I learned recently, apparently Fuckwit are all Australian slurs, but we'll use them in a friendly manner as well. Context is key. If we want to be insulting, we're much more likely to get a bit personal and a bit creative. Being a pack of racist wallabies, we also have a run of racial slurs, which don't have the same friendly undertones in most usage, but context again is key.
Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Must be fun reading the Quidditch sections of Harry Potter
mginatl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Society as a whole does. How does any societal norm come into being? Enough people agree on something, it becomes part of life. That's the basis for the entirety of language, dictionaries don't define words, they define how we use words because society itself defines words.
Velkyn01 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't picture someone making up a new word. I understand words getting new meanings. Lit, fam, sus, whatever. But someone being like, "Flarp. That's the new worst word." That doesn't seem real to me.
r3gnr8r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just have to learn to be streets ahead.
ancientRedDog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quiet, you wheaty pillbug.
Zebba_Odirnapal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dinosaur hammer.
KIDWHOSBORED ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's not the point of your argument, but we did designate certain words worse than others. We call it hate speech.
SmoobBlob ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:34:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree completely. When you think about it, if somebody says, "heck," they mean, "hell." And when someone says, "darn," they mean, "damn." So when you think about it, people curse plenty often.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:50:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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SmoobBlob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair.
seifer93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And when they say "bless your soul" they mean "you're a damn retard." It's just an indirect way of saying things. It's the difference between, "John ran as fast as his legs would carry him," and "John sprinted." They essentially mean the same thing, but they have different impact. From a creative standpoint, I think it's great.
The difference with cussing is that it gets its impact because it's taboo, so declassifying it would make it essentially worthless as an insult. If "cunt" was a normal word, we could probably still make the assumption that someone using the word isn't happy, but we couldn't tell the degree of anger.
Grim99CV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like this gesture.
DangerBrewin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shucks!
bullettree ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. Also, if a kid can learn to psychologically torment or belittle someone rather than merely cussing the person out, it's much more effective and powerful.
procrastimom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thirteen year olds are the meanest people in the world!
HillbillyGainTrain ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... I like cursing, it's only fun if it's offensive
r3gnr8r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:40:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Full Definition of schadenfreude : enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
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Though some would simply call this being a jerk :-/
HillbillyGainTrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it
cuddlefish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're basically arguing in favor of santizing the English language
wmurray003 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really the words that are the problem... it's the sentiment behind them and the lack of respect shown when people/kids are usually using them.
5minUsername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's like trying to eliminate concept of "beauty" in order to teach students that beauty comes in all shapes and sizes. As long as humans are subjective creatures, there will always be standards, and something else will fill the void as soon as you try to remove its current definition. It's not like we invented what defines "cursing". It's the other way around in fact - through usage and our need & impulse to express certain emotion, we designate certain words to fill that need.
Better solution is to teach your kids what the curse words mean, how it affects those on the other end and may hurt feelings, and accept that you can't stop kids from imitating and that it's a form of learning. Hopefully, with the right upbringing, they'll learn to use them only when appropriate. After all, the objective is to teach kids not to verbally hurt others' feelings, with or without curse words; not to find loopholes around cursing and to find more creative, sophisticated ways of insulting others.
Pacify_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are right, the entire concept of swear words is so antiquidated
SRBuchanan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't permitted to curse growing up, and my parents didn't curse in my presence to encourage this. At this point it's just a habit and I've found it useful, since I have indeed been forced to express myself more creatively. It also means that on the rare occasions I have cursed it's gotten a much more forceful reaction since my friends don't expect it.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that curses are not much of a problem but maybe six year old kids shouldn't use in a classroom? I have a student that age and she loves to say shit and when I tell her is not cool to say it, she tells me ''Its just what we do in the bathroom!''. Well yeah it is Luna but you shouldn't use to talk about your homework.
geekygirl23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but "fuck" is a powerful punctuation point in a very mundane language.
Fumblerful- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what what my dad did. He said words are words. Nothing special about curse words. My current view is it's all in the intention behind the word. My freinds and I say swear words a lot but never mean it. But if I called someone a whale with the intent to offend, I'd be an asshole and very offensive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off
Tastygroove ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Entirely wrong. The clean insults that are creative come from Being restricted. Necessity = mother of invention.
SundevilPD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
reads note from teacher "Your son Kyle has been cursing in school a lot lately"
looks at son "What the fuck is this Kyle?"
AngelicBastard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one has a kid named Johnny
beepbeepimajeep_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. They're all called Brayden, Jayden, Hayden, Nth-den.
dimechimes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Truthfully though, my kid got busted for calling himself a dick. He could've very well have gotten that from me, though I don't cuss much in general. Thing is, he's never cussed in front of me so I never got the chance to correct that. I think it's always a mini revelation when parents find proof that their kids act differently when they aren't around.
wmccluskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Great parenting" (dirty language warning)
https://youtu.be/ON0iqz4ento
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents didn't really care if I cursed. They cared when I said things with malicious intent.
My mother for example is alright with me calling her a bitch (well, the equivalent in my language though not really. It's more like calling her a vagina I guess. It can also mean a specific type of hat) to which she'll respond by calling me something else, but not if I call her a fucking useless bitch. It's all in the tone and intent.
Tastygroove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Do as I say not as I do" I present to them as my own weakness. Do better than dad. Dad shouldn't swear as much. Long explanation that it's only words but words have power to hurt peoples feelings needlessly (words like retard, ugly, fat...) etc. I think they can resolve the hypocrisy better this way. (Like if I stabbed myself with a screw driver and yelled calling it a fat FUCKING retarded POS...)
broff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you bitch! It's alley property bitch!
ReasonablyBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Now, helps us find the katana he brought to show and tell"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always tell my kids to be honest and respectful. Mommy you said we could go to the beach today FUCK YOU YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT. GIVE ME A GOD DAMN MOMENT TO MYSELF
Assassin2107 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I've raised my little boy in a perfect loving environment, and any fucker who says otherwise is a God damn liar!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or Sausage Party. I heard that a lot of parents brought their child to the movie where I'm from. Animated does NOT mean PG. Gosh...
Qweniden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One time I was listening to the Joe Rogan Experience in my car while shuttling my kids around and my 6 year old asked me to turn it off because the swearing was making her uncomfortable. It might be because the only time she has really heard swearing is when I am super angry.
over120kholyshit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We swear like crazy around our kid and listen to music that has bad language. She knows that that's the kind of language that she can't use. It's about setting limits not limiting exposure. However, we wouldn't let her watch dead pool, but because of the violence not the language.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also the pegging.
SpookiestBus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, kids gotta learn that anal stimulation isn't necessarily gay, using another man's dick to do it is gay tough.
ConquerHades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were kids around me when I watched that movie. It was kinda awkward during the sexual scenes :-s
funlikerabbits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"What the fuck, seriously? Where does he get this shit?"
SomnambulisticTaco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've posted about that exact topic before when the movie had just come out, and it was shocking to see the amount of parents who defended to the death how it's perfectly fine to bring their kids to Deadpool, and other similar movies.
choomguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got news for you. Never cursed around my kids, they started getting colorful language on the bus. The wheels may go round and round, but the language gets a lot more spicy.
oxford_llama_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:48:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got news for you: I never mentioned parents cursing in front of kids.
yolosobolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Devil's advocate: kids pick stuff up from other kids almost instantly. Our 3 year old had never said the word 'bored' in her life. One of her little friends came over for a playdate and we had her older (8 year old) brother too. They were watching My Little Pony or something and he said "This is boring!!" just once.
The next day she's getting annoyed at the TV as I was about to switch to her show "This is BORING!"
She got that from one single interaction. And this story repeats hundreds of times with her coming back from nursery with innumerable little things she's obviously taken from her peer group or even teachers.
The idea that any time they say something aggressive or worrying it HAS to be from the parents--I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
Another thing I believe (that I didn't before I had kids) is that many boys (and the occasional girl) love shooting and hitting things almost innately. I know the little boy down the road with the most progressive parents imaginable (think Vegans who read parenting books for fun and vote based on green issues) was clenching his fist and shouting in other kids faces constantly for about two years and every time they would patiently try to talk to him about hwo that makes other kids feel blah blah blah
He def wasn't getting that cause he comes from an aggressive ousehold orw hatever. In my view he was just a typical boy maybe in the upper 20% of testosterone or something. Nice kid generally.
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"devils advocate"... fuck off with that shit pls.
yolosobolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with taking the opposite view and making some points? It's not that I don't believe the points I made, it's that I haven't personally decided either way. I go back and forth in my mind. I think it's likely somewhere in the middle but wanted to throw an alternate viewpoint your way to add to the discussion.
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:11:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nothing wrong with taking an opposite view, I just hate when people say the "devils advocate" bullshit, like their opinion is sooo special and unique. So I didn't really have a problem with your view in fact I kind of agree with you.
yolosobolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, okay, that's cool! :) I always thought it was a normal expression to mean to defend the unpopular opinion, but maybe people are using it too frequently now and it has become a pretentious cliche or something? I will watch out for that :)
suicidebylifestyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a way to cover their own racism "I have no idea why little johnny/jane would ever said something like that!"
Siren ya don't......sure
IAmTriscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except my parents cursed allllll the time, and let me watch many things I probably shouldn't have. Instead of sheltering me from things, they acted normal and just explained to me why I myself shouldn't say those things at school. Cursing doesn't make you a bad parent. Being a bad parent makes you a bad parent. I never cursed in school or got in trouble for anything I learned from my parents.
Frapplo ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 16:06:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What I like about their strategy is the ambiguity.
The parents know the kid said something, but what was it? How bad was it?! Oh, God...does everyone know I'm a bigot?!
TheAmbiguity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:07:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too
SunMoonTruth ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're in the South. Isn't it a prerequisite?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a distinct memory of when I was about 7 or 8 years old. I was at a friend's house and that friend's older brother had two of his friends over and one of them left a water bottle on the porch. I saw it, and being all indignant about litter, said "That's the problem with black people, they leave trash all over the place."
I still cringe every time I think about it. Where the fuck did I pick that up? (over a quarter of my family was black, including my dad)
QuickArrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, my boy comes home from school with some interesting phrases. He says Trump should win the election, but our household is most certainly not supporting him.
AccountWasFound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother actually almost got suspended in kindergarten because he asked his friends if they wanted to be a gang. Yeah, my parents were freaking out, turned out Bernstein bears had a group of kids that called themselves a gang...
BaronTatersworth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if you're a parent, why wouldn't your kid think you were the smartest person on Earth? I mean, look at you: You operate the car, and you're amazing at hide and seek, even when they use their foolproof hiding spot behind the window curtains. I mean, those could be anybody's feet under the curtains! It's a chess game, whose feet are those? Who knows?! It's perfect!
Plus, you're allowed to use the goddamn toaster! The licensing process for that must be maddening.
pleaseNoballsacks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest, kids say some wierd stuff. Maybe they did not hear that varbatim from their parents but put two unrelated things together.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or they are angry with the kid rather than their own disgusting behavior and/or views.
MoonlitDrive ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not always. But yeah.
My brother would say, "Do drugs they're cool," while standing in line at the grocery store, when he was like 3.
And he'd cringe like he was about to get hit when my parents would reach for some pop tarts or something on the shelf to give off the impression that my parents hit us regularly.
These things didn't come from my parents. They were aimed at making me laugh. He'd come up with it on his own.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your brother's mind worked in a funny way.
Packrat1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rO2zFrk52o
Not always, though. Sometimes it's those little white kids.
GiveMeNotTheBoots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/57rkyo/elementary_school_teachers_what_have_you_heard/d8ugess
kurburux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now try to imagine you live in a dictatorship and your small kid will openly repeat anything you said to your partner.
This scene of The Lives of Others is an example to this. If you don't know the movie: The man is working for the Stasi.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, as a parent your kids will come home and say all kinds of weird shit. 90% it comes from other kids. So it's really just a subset of parents saying inappropriate things to their kids. From there it spreads like a virus via the kid network.
Stefferdiddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My four year old niece told my nephew to "eat your fucking meatball" a while back. My sister texts me that she's not sure if she should be upset at the use of the word or happy that her grammar was correct in its usage.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well she was not trying to be mean or anything.
ARoaringBorealis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parents need to understand that children don't really have opinions; sure they can tell you what they like and don't like, but if their parents say something (especially if it's about something they don't know a lot about) then they are going to repeat it.
Zarokima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...or it could be from that crazy racist uncle/grandpa/whatever that acts fine around you but then teaches (intentionally or otherwise) the kid how to swear and shit. My grandpa taught me to yell "You damn guineas get off my lawn!" whenever the Italian kids were around, and my parents were very unhappy about it for more than one reason.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my students were cursing because of his grandpa and his mom also thought it was bad but did nothing to stop. Parents/guardians/relatives most of the times see what kids are repeating but brush it off.
FerretSummoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes, as parents, we should be mindful of what other classmates may be saying that our children will repeat as well.
chrisKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes kids really do just say weird stuff. When I was in first grade, a lesbian couple lived next door. I heard my parents mention it, but I had no clue what a lesbian was. Anyways, one day I see one of my neighbors outside and tell her "My parents don't like lesbians". I don't know why I said it, but I was six so I don't know why I did lots of stuff. They apparently confronted my mom about it and she was pretty horrified. She still brings it up every few years. I think I scarred her for life.
I've also worked as an elementary and kindergarten teacher, so I know kids repeat stuff from their parents, but kids aren't always the most reliable chroniclers of history either.
prismaticbeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, there are other places kids can pick these things up besides their parents.TV. The internet. Extended family. Coaches. Friends and their parents.
frozenwalkway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
could be the tv.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah kids never pick anything up from their peers at school. its entirely from their parents. Right.
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:44:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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startrekunicorndog ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kids said they heard it from their parents, as is stated in the post.
Bruh_Man_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My 2 year old will say "yes" if you ask them if they remember seeing the flying panda deliver a pizza to the next door neighbors. My five year old will agree because she thinks it's a funny story and will tell anyone that is willing to listen about that story for weeks... That's what kids do.
We're the jerks that imagine hateful motivations beyond what is truly innocent child-like silliness.
agentma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You are comparing a flying panda delivering pizza (which is awesome) to a probably racist sentence?
Bruh_Man_1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:27:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. I'm saying that only lame adults would take something silly that a child says and assume that the child's parents must be racist instead of assuming that children say silly things.
Anyone who has children or is a teacher should be so well aware of this phenomenon that it's about as obvious as "the sky is blue."
agentma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teachers don't talk to the parents if they think what was said is silly. Source: I am a teacher.
Bruh_Man_1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:38:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You must be a woefully inexperienced teacher if you would be so eager to assume a classroom full of two year olds and their parents are racist because you heard them say the president smells.
What a joke.
Source: Have kids. Spouse is teacher. Kids say the darnedest things.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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acruz80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. That's impossible! Who would ever think that shitty, racist things kids say may be parrotted from their shitty, racist parents? I mean, seriously. /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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acruz80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kind that have no fear of repercussion due to the fact that blatant racism is accepted, and oftentimes encouraged.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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acruz80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you haven't heard Alex Jones speak about Hillary and Obama then. Although I would agree he's more of a child than most.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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agentma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But most times in a classroom you can see that happening. I know lil John does that kind of thing and if I see Janey doing too, I can see why. But if Ben said something which no classmates are also doing there's a high chance it comes from the household (not only parents).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:25:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! Yes, the kids must have heard that from one of the other kids at school....
Clockwrrk22 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was little I used to secretly watch south park and funny videos on newgrounds.com without my parents knowing. I'm sure I went to school and repeated some of that stuff to my friends. So it's not always what they hear from their parents.
LexicanLuthor ยท 1416 points ยท Posted at 15:59:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Can someone PLEASE tell me what the hell is up with this? I moved to the south recently and someone I met here told me she couldn't date a black guy because all black people "smell weird". I had ZERO idea what she meant.
Edit: this is a strange website.
dtracers ยท 1697 points ยท Posted at 16:14:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White ppl and black ppl smell very different when sweaty. (there is science behind that). If you are not commonly around black ppl when they sweat then their smell will be very obvious to you.
It's actually the same thing in the opposite case. If you are never around white ppl then they will smell weird too.
IBlameOleka ยท 227 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even about sweat, it's also about what people's homes smell like. People of different cultural backgrounds have vastly different smelling homes, due to preference in pot pourri, what they cook, and other things. I do notice "black person smells," but it goes much deeper than that. It's not just black people, it's any group of person you're not around a lot. You'll notice the way black people smell the most if they're the group of people you're around the least. But asians' houses smell different, as do Mexicans' houses and all different types of white peoples' houses, it's everyone. I still can't get used to the smell of my girlfriend's house, and she's the same ethnicity as I am.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:15:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My house I bought two years ago smells like a cheap motel when I get home every day and walk in. I love it. I'm white although I don't think that matters in this case.
protozoan_addyarmor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:43:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are jumping to conclusions. Not all ethnic and racial differences are based on genes.
I've noticed that when I eat smelly Indian spices, I can actually smell it in my armpits for the next few days.
I've also noticed that Asian people's houses smell the best to me. Indians' smell the worst.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell too, but more when I'm eating too much salt or all carbohydrates. If I work out, my clothes are disgusting and have to be washed immediately. If I eat a lot of salads and vegetables, I don't have that issue and can put my dirty gym clothes in the hamper. On spices, I generally only notice it if I have too much garlic. My boyfriend will complain for days that I have garlic smell.
On the other hand, I wonder if people of the same families all have their own smell, much like how animals can pick out who their children are by smell. I think if I had to do a blind sniff test I could at a minimum pick out my boyfriend over others.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:29:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:38:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are spot on. I have dated girls from many kinds of ethnicity and the same was true of every home.
Random side note. I like how Asians smell the best.
merganzer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to tutor teenagers from western Africa and they always had a distinct smell, even kids from different families. I eventually learned it was the cheap cooking oil they used in all their apartments - stuff gets into your hair and lingers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a legitimately interesting observation, very cool.
Bahamute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's still about sweat. The other things you mentioned just also play into it.
ElMorono ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:29 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Excellet points. My fiance's old landlords were from Nepal. She'd always come over smelling like curry. Thankfully, I like south Asian food, so I didn't mind.
rwwman50 ยท 878 points ยท Posted at 16:25:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wrestled and played football in a very mixed high school. About 35% white, 40% black, rest was mix of Hispanic, Indian, and Asian. Can confirm, black people smell weird, but have been told white people's hair smells weird but I don't notice it. I think it has a lot to do with products we use though. Way more black people use lotion and/or baby powder and whit people tend to use more scented body washes and things so I wonder if that's some of it.
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 16:38:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheMightyMoog ยท 165 points ยท Posted at 16:49:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wrestled in high school and I can't speak for all wrestlers but I would have to go with a no. Staph infection is a very real issue and not showering would probably increase ones chances of getting it.
rwwman50 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 16:44:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not uncommon for someone's face to end up in a sweaty armpit, but I never knew anybody who intentionally made themselves smell nasty to gain an advantage. On the other hand, I wasn't a very good wrestler so maybe I just didn't brush shoulders with enough elite competition. I only continued playing football in college and we encouraged teammates who didn't like to shower to do so. No idea what college wrestlers do. Those guys are kind of crazy though so it wouldn't shock me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a wrestling coach who told a story from when he was in college. He said he didn't shower for a week leading up to a match with some guy he had never beaten. During the match he says that he threw the other guy in a headlock and held him in his stench before pinning him. I'm like 80% sure the story is exaggerated or a complete lie, but I've heard him recite it multiple times.
shadow1515 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:55:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In high school one guy on my team would eat really garlicky meals before meets for this reason. Who knows if it actually helped though, he was really technically skilled so he did well anyway.
BlindSoothsprayer ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:12:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I've just been eating garlic cause I like it. Never knew it might give me WWE superpowers.
shadow1515 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forget which compound it is in there, but one of the ones responsible for the smell is actually excreted from your skin as a gas, which is why you can always tell if someone has had garlic recently.
Kingbuji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i knew a guy that would pee on his jersey so the DL linemen wouldn't touch him. The school put a stop to that with a quickness.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:07:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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helisexual ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:12:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not only what the others are saying but you have an inspection where they check your skin for sores, your nails for length, and your face for stubble. I'd wager a ref would require a shower if you were obviously nasty.
Scuba_Fox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen it used in what I perceived to be intentional in that regard. But, yeah. The smell CAN and DOES have an impact.
Wurm42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pre-emptive tl;dr: It's not the wrestler, it's the equipment.
As others have already noted, any responsible wrestling coach worries about staph infections and other skin diseases, and makes sure their team showers properly.
However (in my experience), it's a different story with wrestling singlets. They're a pain to wash and take a long time to dry (similar problems with headgear and shoes), so by the end of a tournament, everybody's uniform stinks.
Wrestling mats are also an issue-- lots of sweaty people getting pressed into them in quick succession during a meet; but (again, in my experience), that's getting better now due to concerns about staph infections.
gladbach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you've ever gone within a hundred yards of a high-school wrestling practice area you'd know it's probably the worst smelling place you've ever been to... They are probably desensitized to anything an armpit can throw at them to be honest...
AdvocateForTulkas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Used to wrestle. Never even came close to even noticing BO or any other smell unless it was some idiot teammate farting in the locker room.
We're used to being trapped in a small room that's thick with the sweat of a ton of other young guys. Hard to be bothered by BO.
7H3D3V1LH1M53LF ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I sure did, but I was a disgusting little fuck back in school.
Goofypoops ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:48:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always rubbed garlic in my pits before every match
jhennaside ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:52:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't have a lot of black people where I grew up, but for a couple (4th and 5th) years, my best friend was a black kid named Timothy. I thought he smelled amazing. He said it was cocoa butter.
Kingbuji ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:21:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it is cocoa butter. That like the de facto black people lotion.
Fortehlulz33 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:49:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should honestly be the de facto lotion for more people. I (a white guy) started using cocoa butter lotion a while ago and I hate standard "white" (the color, not the skin color) lotion now. Obviously the smell is better, but it feels a lot less greasy than the "white" lotion.
Assanater601 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:51:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the diet is so different in all of those cultures.
leAlexc ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:44:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been told white people smell like wet dogs
Lafftar ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:31:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've wrestled with white people, lol i don't think they smell like dogs. I don't even know what the smell is like, I know y'all smell different but I never even thought of what it was :/
I don't think it's milk either, and i've never smelled hot dog water either.
Lumberjacob ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hot dog water is disgusting toxin
Kendo16 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:51:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been told they smell like that when their hair is wet.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:12:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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kaenneth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
by Asians?
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:39:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm South Asian and yes that's what some White people smell like to me when they're sweaty. Not all but many.
Sour milk and like, bad dairy.
They often told me my house and myself smells like curry. However since living alone I don't eat Desi food as much, and I've not had people make that comment about smell since then.
I think it comes down to diet.
assflea ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:20:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard this, and also that white people smell like hot dog water.
Lumberjacob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MY WORST ENEMY WHY, I hope this isnt true! I probably smell like garlic
trippyhippie94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Knew a girl who smelled like this and bacon grease...
monsterZERO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the movie 'Roots', the Africans learn to avoid the white slavers because they smell like 'wet chicken'.
CipherClump ยท 113 points ยท Posted at 16:35:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's the products people use. Your parent uses a product, you're exposed to it, so you keep using it.
skarphace ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:10:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And cultural food differences. Some vary more than others. For instance, Indians in my experience have one of the most pungent odors mostly due to their foods of choice.
nazilaks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:10:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People from india give off a cumin spice like smell in my experience, i have heard white people smell more like milk or cheese.
mustangsal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:40:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend from age 4 until around 12 was black and jewish. My friend always smelled like coconut. It was just another fact to me as a kid, "Bobby" had brown skin, didn't celebrate christmas and smelled like coconut. Four year old me (1977-ish) was upset that Bobby not only had cool skin and special holidays, but also smelled like coconut. His mom then showed me the coconut oil moisturizer they used... Kid brains are weird. Once the first kid from India moved into the neighborhood did I realize that not all smells are due to moisturizer. He and his house always smelled like Indian food. As a kid, that was weird... as a teenager it was awesome, his mom cooked some amazing foods.
FountainsOfFluids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also what kinds of foods you eat on a daily basis. I've noticed it more around asian people than black people, tbh. How we live affects how we smell. Different culture, different smell.
HALLELUJAH1 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:57:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep all black people all over the world use the same skin products
1234yawaworht ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:03:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't even implied. You're just looking for something to be mad about
HALLELUJAH1 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 05:21:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But he said they smell different because of different skin products. .... its the skin itself that smells different
CrazyShepard ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:08:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They use more lotion because it's more obvious when their skin get's "ashy" and dry.
rileyrulesu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:55:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was told I smell like milk when I went to Korea.
sqth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because Koreans don't generally eat much dairy. If you do, that's probably discernible in your body's smell.
preparationhguzzler ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:02:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll start by saying i am white (british).
Like the parent to your comment said, there is science behind it. It has little to do with scented products and more to do with biology. There are Koreans who have no armpit smell because of their genetics. I have Chinese friends who must have similar ancestry because they smell identical (one male and one female, both of whom I have shared a bedroom with). I have other Chinese friends who smell similar but not the exact same. I have noticed that my friends with a lot of Italian ancestry smell similar to each other, and different from me and I've noticed that my family members smell the same as myself.
I also have noticed black people smelling quite different than white and Asian people, and more similar to each other, although there is variance. I have yet to gain enough data to try and determine if people from west Africa smell one way and people from east another, but I will try and focus in when hanging with my Senegalese friends versus my Somalian friends.
Of course, there is some variability of body odor with diet and cosmetics/hygiene. My diet is similar to that of an indian, and I also use mustard oil on my body, and I have noticed my smell to have some nuance shared with those of the Indian sub continent.
Sources: discerning nose. Interest in human smells. Diverse friends.
Utaneus ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 20:28:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Proceeds to ramble on about anecdotal experiences.
Also, why do you rub mustard oil on your body?
preparationhguzzler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not here to explain the science, there are papers for that.
Antimicrobial and moisturizing! Great for when my acne or hair microbiology are flourishing too much
Wormhog ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:17:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the mustard oil?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somalians smell different from other Africans. All Europeans know this.
ReinaSophia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realize how much people notice smell until I was an adult. But I can be very oblivious.
I've never equated the difference to race but this thread has been very eye opening lol. On its face I can see how describing Obama as having smelly weird skin can seem racist but the explanations I've seen made sense.
I actually had a fling with a Mexican girl who didn't like the way White guys smelled so she didn't deal with them.
preparationhguzzler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming you're nonwhite?
Since she fucked with you lol.
As a white, I quite like white people smell.
As a horny, loving mofo, I have learned to enjoy all the smells (barring extensive sweating, I like that mild BO mixed with pleasant, delicate soap/essential oil smell, maybe some food or plant or smoke mixed in) of all the peoples.
ReinaSophia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I wasn't specific. I'm a Black female.
I can't say I've personally NEVER noticed smell. My current boyfriend (White) is actually the first person whose smell I actually noticed. It wasn't good or bad. It was just...there. He's also the person I'm fairly sure I'm going to spend the rest of my life with so maybe I have to be in love with you to notice your smell lol
(I hope I replied correctly this time lol)
tasha4life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have definitely notice a small difference between West African, Egyptian, and East African. West Africans have a sweeter smell and East African have a nuttier smell and Egyptian smell like a mix between an Indian person and an East African.
Which now that I think about it, is how some Middle Easterners smell.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an inferiority complex about my nose now. Seriously, how do people notice this stuff? I barely notice my own BO unless I'm sweating or haven't showered.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:52:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate when people smell like lotion. Its gross.
culdesaccharine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're gross.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im definitely ashy hahah. I just dont like lotion
baabaablackjeep ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:01:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preface: (aka read this so you don't think I'm being an ignorant ass) as far as science/forensics, there are three types of hair and skull/skeletal structures, they are caucasoid (white people) negroid (black people) and mongoloid, people of Asian descent. They each have very separate and specific facial bone structures as well as hair shaft shape (this gives the reason why an Asian girl's hair may always lay stick straight while a woman of black descent may have "frizzy" or "kinky" hair.
I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to be it has to do wry sebum the stuff that is excreted from your hair follicles to make them more lubed and less likely to break. I'm sure that to some degree everyone's scalp does this, because it's a normal body function -- anyone who's had stretched ears knows that godawful smell if you don't wash your jewelry regularly? That's sebum too! Just in a much larger quality. So the same stuff that makes white people's hair look oily or greasy when dirty is the same stuff, usually much lower in quantity. Maybe African or Asian descendants don't produce as much sebum? Or, it could be the way they take care of their hair that's different, that I can't say.
closest ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a question that isn't on topic but sort of relevant. If humans fall into three groups you mentioned above, which group do mestizo Latino/Hispanic people fall into?
I know that white Hispanics with lighter features are considered caucasoid, black Hispanics descended from slaves are negroid, and that makes the term Hispanic/Latino more of a cultural/ethnicity than a race. But what about people who are considered more "ethnic" with mixed Spanish and Native American blood? I've honestly haven't come up with a clear answer. I've seen people try to explain that mestizos are mongoloid because of Asian people that crossed the bearing straight thousands of years ago and first settled the land, except to me that isn't apt because it is essentially ignoring their Spanish ancestry and comparing them to current Asians when they separated so long ago; almost as if saying we're all African because we came from Africa when we still separate people. And when I look at government forms, which seems to make thing more official, Hispanics/Latinos are listed as white with a different ethnicity. So does that mean mestizos are considered caucasoid then? But then I've seen here on reddit that when you become a bone marrow donor, they categorize you by race for a match and have separate category for Hispanics/Latinos, so are they essentially their own race then? Or is there more to it where mestizo Hispanics are considered caucasoid with some special genetic diversity? I'm really unsure.
qazw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea Latino/Hispanic would be an ethnicity, not a race. Four races have been socially constructed thus far Asian, Australoid( the native/indigenous people of Australia), Caucasian, and Negro. Non mixed latino would be considered Asian.
closest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So Native Americans are considered Asian/mongoloid in the anthropological/scientific sense? What would you consider someone like George Lopez? Biracial mongoloid and Caucasoid?
doom32x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:51:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Native Americans are descended from Asian peoples who trekked either across the Bering land bridge and through the Yukon or hopped down the Pacific coast. Pure descendants would fall under "Mongoloid" but mestizos are whole another ballgame. In practice it really doesn't matter though. Although mestizos do have a head start on the future brown master race that will overtake us palefaces.
closest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I've read that years ago Mexicans/Mexican-Americans were officially just white. What happened is that there was still prejudice against them that couldn't be ignored. Like after public schools were desegregated, schools would put in hispanics/latinos as white students to fill the white quota while not accepting them into schools with lighter white people. Also, though they where white, they'd still be forced to sit in the back of buses with black people. So what hispanics/latinos did was fight to be considered their own category so that they would seek protection as a minority group over the discriminatory practices against them. And while someone might think some might be considered white today, there is still ongoing discrimination that hasn't been resolved that makes them remain a minority group. Such as no protection for the invisible migrant workers that are hired by companies today, I'm not getting at the debate of them being here, I'm talking about how migrant workers with little education can be exploited to work in terrible conditions as a crime against humanity. How are we okay with someone working out in the sun for more than 8 hours a day, with little to no facilities for their health, and being paid less than minimum wage? Again, I'm looking at this from the perspective of how a human is being treated. So I look at how Mexicans, mestizos, Hispanics, Latinos, South Americans, etc. are treated and why they must be considered a minority group, and it makes me ask bigger a question that I probably won't get the answer to; why are they not considered 'white' enough to be treated decently as other white people? And I know there is a bigger question to that, as to why we even discriminate against anyone that is different at all, but I want to minimize the question so that the conversation isn't disregarded as "just the way it is, we can do better."
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The simplest answer is the one drop rule. They're mixed, so they're non white.
closest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, that isn't completely accurate either. The one drop rule primarily, if not wholly, exists for anyone of African decent. It was a way to classify and discriminate against mulatto people that came from a mixed background where the case was usually a slave master having a child with his slave. While there were people who wrote about categorizing other interracial people, it wasn't as prominent because they were looking to enforce a binary between black and white, and I believe that is because there wasn't many other mixtures going on at the time.
And here's the real kicker; "American Indians" were considered white a one time so that black people couldn't claim it. Then eventually you have the "Pocahontas exception" where in Virginia the one drop rule where people counted as white if they had less than 1/16th Indian blood because settlers had intermarried with native people. Even today we have white people who consider themselves part Native American, who claim to have a native ancestor or evidence of a close Native American relative, yet they aren't considered non-white. And someone might say, "well that's because no one in their immediate family is Native American or they don't practice in the culture, it was so long ago that they mixed it doesn't count." Then what about a Mexican person who only knows that they are of Spanish decent, doesn't claim to be Native American or have any close Native American ancestors, has Spanish surname, speaks Spanish, and only participates in Mexican culture BUT is swarthy with tan skin, dark hair, and brown eyes?
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what's the real answer then? Why aren't white hispanic people "really" white?
closest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still trying to figure out the real answer. I'm asking why swarthy Hispanics aren't considered white, people thought to be white Hispanics are considered white.
A white Hispanic is someone with fair/light features that passes what is thought to be white but was born in a South American country.
While swarthy Hispanics aren't considered white even though they have Spanish European ancestry, distant Native American ancestors, and aren't directly mixed with negroid or current mongoloid relatives. I'm not only asking why they aren't white, I also want to know what they are considered in the anthropological/scientific way. I've gotten a response that said they are mixed mongoloid and Caucasoid, yet they split thousands of years ago from the current mongoloid region and current white people have some Native American ancestry yet they aren't considered mixed in the anthropological sense. And if it's a case of having dark features, then why are Indians from India, Middle Eastern People, and North Africans considered Caucasoid with their dark features? Why is it that South Americans are separated as a race when they aren't completely half Native American or completely European because they've been mixing for a long period of time now? Why not just say Caucasoid when there is evidence of them fitting most in that category in anthropology?
workthrowa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, we produce the same amount of sebum, but sebum travels more easily down straight hair with a smooth shaft. Many people of African ancestry do not have smooth hair shafts, but more wiry ones, making it more difficult for sebum to coat our hair, which is why we wash it less (we don't need to, imagine if your hair never got oily) and why we have to actively moisturize our hair (because the sebum doesn't do its job). This is why people think that African/African American people can't grow long hair - we most certainly CAN, it just takes a bit of extra effort and care.
iMadrid11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diet could also play a role on how people smell when they sweat.
I'm Filipino and the majority of people here in the Philippines shower everyday. Many even shower twice a day. Because this tropical climate of ours makes you sweat a lot.
One of the most common, you could even say racist thing you hear about Indians is they stink. My high school teacher mention the curry and spices they have in their food leaves a distinct smell when they sweat. Which is why most people would prefer not to sit beside an Indian on the bus or train.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, am eastern European white, we all have a certain smell in our hair. This is regardless of products or whatever because even if the shampoo smell is gone that weird, white person smell is still there. It varies depending on what type of white person you are, but it is always there eon one form or another
nightzephyr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hair & body products are definitely a part of it. I realized a couple years ago that part of what I think of as "black people scent" is a particular hair product that most black people I knew used. A reasonable thought, as to this day I've never known any other race to use that product.
Now that I've met a few more (who don't use that stuff), my idea of it has changed a bit. There's still a different smell, but there's more to it that I can't explain.
aletoledo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find that indians and koreans are the weird smellers. I think it has something to do with their diet.
MorsOmniaAequat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White folk smell like wet dog.
GameRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think that baby powder would be something that black people avoid using, considering that the white powder would clash with the color of their skin.
naijaboiler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
black here, I avoid majority white gyms sometimes because of the smell. I hate to admit it bother me, but it does. I have always attributed it to difference in diet. outside the gym, everyone smells alright except the occasional person of any "race" who simply is dirty.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In all honesty black people either smell kinda off or REALLY good. White people either smell like onion BO or like a nice cologne/perfume, but black people either smell a...nonspecific kind of 'off' or like the skincare/hair products they use like cocoa butter. Like I have smelt some black people and the bad smelling ones aren't similar to gross white people smell, but I don't know if I've smelled a white person that smells as good as a good smelling black person
I feel horribly racist after typing this jfc
hinowisaybye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work delivery and I've noticed something weird. Working class Latino's tend to have really smelly houses. Me and my friend think it might have something to do with diet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is probably the majority of where it comes from. White men associate lotion with being girly while lots of black men use lotion and don't associate it with being girl at all.
I'm sure diet also has an effect as well. I know I'll smell like onions the day after I eat a lot of onions. Same with garlic. And I've heard Asian people think white people smell like soured milk.
Ewulkevoli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile, the asian kid on the lacrosse team had pads that smelled like stale ramen...
butterhoscotch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
diet affects smell majorly, also bacteria which could be hygene issues. what you eat can smell though yur pores.
stcwhirled ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It actually has nothing to do with the products. Different races have different scent glands that secrete different scents depending on genetics (race)
westcoastdrumz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife said I smell like cheese when I didn't shower for a while.
twocoffeespoons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read that Asians say white people kind of smell like milk or yogurt. I guess that makes a lot of sense since we eat so much more diary.
ohhhhcanada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's when the hair is wet. When white people have wet hair it smells like wet dog hair lol that's what LaVerne said in scrubs!
CassandraVindicated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:32:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot more of it has to do with the food that we eat. These culturalized and/or localized diets tend to bring out "flavors" when we sweat.
TheAngryBrian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cocoa butter.
I don't know why but it seems like a lot of black Americans use it.
cheesecrystal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also used to wrestle in HS, wrestled many black dudes(I'm white) there is absolutely a difference in smells, I wouldn't say the smell is better or worse between groups, just different. Both groups probably tend to use different types of personal care products, but there is a clear difference in body odors. I've been told white people can smell like wet dogs, and I agree.I think the stinkiest guy I ever wrestled was a white guy, I still remember that stinky fucker18 years later.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...Baby powder? They use baby powder? ??????
cakefairy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm white- but I use a little baby powder in my hair sometimes. I have really oily hair and baby powder drys it out a bit and makes it look cleaner. It's super annoying when it's only been a day and the top of my head is oily/greasy looking and baby powder is a great quick fix. I prefer dry shampoo but I can't always afford it ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get really greasy hair after 24 hours, similar to you I expect. I wash it everyday it eliminate that. Though it would be better for my hair to not wash it everyday, my hair dresser agrees that it is better to the alternative. Every couple of days I use a very gentle shampoo to give it a break. I guess my question is, why don't you just wash it every day?
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It dries out my hair in a bad way.
TheyreNotMine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously not the person you were asking, but I get very greasy hair quickly also, and I also use dry shampoo religiously instead of washing everyday
Reason? I spend a small fortune to keep my hair dyed red, which washes out quickly. I truly can't afford to wash everyday & keep the haircolor I prefer
Also- my hair is ridiculously long, washing/moisturizing/combing takes forever & I'm fucking lazy. Of course I still want to look/smell nice. Dry shampoo is my favorite hair product
Ebmoclas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a very good reason I hadn't thought of! Thanks!
cakefairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not good for your hair to wash it every day. Or at least it's not good for MY hair (I can't speak your hair). If I wash mine every day it gets badly dry and stiff. I wash it every other day instead.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:52:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Baby powder keeps your genitals nice and dry.
Kendo16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally don't but,hey someone's gotta use it,right?
rondell_jones ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:19:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, is that why white people smell like wet dog to me?
PunksPrettyMuchDead ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:01:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Plus we often sleep with our pets, which I've heard is a white people habit.
TheCatbus_stops_here ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:48:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When a group of Africans passed by my college hangout, I thought they smelled like soil and peanuts. It was a pretty nice smell.
Forsythia_Lux ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:57:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like you're describing the scent of raw Shea butter, which is commonly used by Africans as a skin moisturizer (*from the continent of Africa - I assume you meant exchange students). Its a sweet, earthy, peanut-y smell. Very distinct.
People with tree nut allergies tend to be bothered by raw Shea; the moisturizers usually have a warning on the bottle.
TheCatbus_stops_here ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they were visiting university delegates. I didn't know they used raw shea butter, but I thought it was because of their diet though I didn't know what they eat. My most of what I knew about African cuisine that time was from Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart and I thought it was because of root crops and peanut oil.
jihiggs ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:33:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the only difference in smell i noticed was a difference in hair care products.
YMic321 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What science are you talking about?
mjk05d ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:19:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you say that it's usually a good idea to post a link to said science.
squishygoddess ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:50:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One day I met a mixed baby who smelled just like my black ex-boyfriend and it clicked that that smell was a "black" smell. It's so weird how distinct it is.
missdui ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:09:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The baby's mother most likely put the same lotion on the baby that your ex used. Black people don't have a distinct smell. Black people use a lot of lotions, cocoa butter, etc to prevent their skin from drying out.
squishygoddess ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:20:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was more sweat-related, I use lots of cocoa butter and lotions, but this smell seems more body odor-ish.
protozoan_addyarmor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might have been "genetic", but I've noticed that Indian food makes me smell like some of the more...offensive Indian people I've encountered. It is most certainly a body odor smell, and can be heavily modulated by the environment.
I don't know if black Americans have any habits that promote certain odorous smells, but they do have a slightly lower frequency than whites of the allele that gives Asians little body odor. Basically, white people are a little bit more Asian in this trait.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:31:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea. Had a black friend say white people smell like wet dog...never heard that previously..apparently pretty common thought
ohtheplacesiwent ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:07:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omg this is true. When I first heard this I thought it was the weirdest thing because I grew up with a dog and I never, ever thought I smelled like one (I'm white). Then once after walking outside on a misty, damp day, the wind caught my hair just right and I smelled it. Wet dog. God damn.
I still only smell it in certain circumstances--can't be right after I've showered or used any scented lotions or hair products. Usually when my hair is just slightly damp. It is faint, but it is there.
fezzuk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asian people say white people small like sour milk and cabbage. Think I would rather smell of curry
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cabbage? Are we all carni folk?
daradv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it because white people's hair needs more washing?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea...I just mess with him all the time about it though...apologize for making his car smell like wet dog...or when he was dating someone white I'd always say the apartment smelled like it..
saggycrickets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I've heard this before. I think it's like how when kids play outside and come inside and the hair and sweat smell.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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npsnicholas ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:47:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a deeper history of black vs white racial tension in western cultures than there is Indian vs other. The equal rights movement was mostly about black people because they were the largest minority. There hasn't been an Asian rights movement of similar proportion. At least that's what I think may be happening, but I'm no sociologist.
coleman57 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Might also have a bit to do with millions of blacks dying on ships on their way here, or being worked to death or killed for trying to escape, or routinely whipped or having their families broken up, or just spending their whole lives working incredibly hard in the hot sun to make their "owners" rich. Indians have their own history of oppression, but it's not intimately woven into the fabric of American society.
A white American might have the experience of noticing a different smell from black folks, and mention it neutrally, as something they've noticed. But others may experience it as something that separates them from black folks and makes it easier to ignore their humanity and pain. So they'd be more likely to say "smell bad" or "weird", rather than just "different".
AmateurHero ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really think the Indians smells weird sentiment is due to the food. Indian dishes carry a lot of strong odors. Whether you think it's pleasant or not is a matter of personal preference, but attributing a smell to the food someone eats isn't intrinsically bad. I do acknowledge that it can be used in a hurtful manner.
therealmofnay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:28:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm (not Indian culture but Persian culture). We bought a house from a Persian couple. The smell was almost a negative deciding factor. We wondered if it was a personal fragrance choice until we opened the kitchen cabinets and were nearly knocked over.
It was the spices. The spices that they were using were very distinct, and it created a body odor smell in the entire house.
We bought the house, hired professional cleaners, scrubbed the kitchen cabinets (twice), and we're very happy here.
They were a very nice couple. They just had a very different odor than we were used to. And it nearly cost them a house sale.
BeastAP23 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:40:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is ot true though? Indians smell like curry a lot. Its not that there skin smells.
fuckyoubarry ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One time I ate a whole family sized thing of curry. Took a shower and everything, went to bed. My girlfriend said she woke up in the middle of the night due to the smell of curry coming out of my skin.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:18:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sure it was skin and not ass?
fuckyoubarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She says it was from my skin, I assumed it was from my ass but she said no.
HippyHitman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Indians (not Native Americans) are one of the only minority groups that the US hasn't horribly persecuted, so we get a free pass. /s
helisexual ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because spices stay on clothes. Like I've stayed in Desi households and aged I've left I've had to wash all my clothes, whether or not they're clean, to get the spice smell out.
It has nothing to do with their skin color. When my girlfriend stays with me for long enough that she had to do laundry she ends up smelling a lot different.
JoeontheHill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, source? I've seen no research linking race and body odor. Some ethnicities may have more active glands, but that's a question of the power of the odor not some intrinsically different smell based on race.
anonykitten29 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:06:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, wtf. Source?
toocoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I live around both white and black people (I live in Oakland so the population between blacks and white are that they're both equally everywhere) and I never noticed any smell.
I'm not even black or white...
bubblegumpandabear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who is biracial, you people sound crazy.
leglesssheep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Skin doesn't smell because of its "colour", sweat smells differently depending on diet and products you use. People who eat a lot of dairy and beef smell strongly (often this is white people), people who eat a lot of chilli smell strongly (a lot of cultures), as well as garlic, ginger and so on, high fat diets make your sweat smelly (also a lot of cultures) and then it depends on your personal hygiene routines, including what products you buy and so on.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Asian. Everybody else has horrendous body odor.
Hooray for dry ear wax, I guess.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh I never noticed that I noticed that but I noticed it.
BeastAP23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I'm not saying this is bullsit but got a source on that?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a white person, I feel it's time to confess: we only wear the "wet dog scent" to annoy you.
Lokibetel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My boyfriend says white people smell like wet dog. He's white.
Mylaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if Asian people smells differently too?
Personally I can't smell anything on myself... Or I am used to it...
FallenAngelII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I knew this instinctively. I've always found black men to have this (to me) weird smell and taste. Asian and white men are almost the same, but there's a minor difference.
dtracers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taste?
FallenAngelII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You see, Timmy, when two adults like each other a lot, they will sometimes...
LexicanLuthor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get a nice Chianti?
Kierik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kinda like overweight people, Italians, and Sicilians smell like salami when they sweat.
SoFetchBetch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:50:25 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Delicious
thedersy1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the smell stereotype for white people that we smell like wet dog? Anyone confirm this?
crazedmongoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people defs smell weird to me but white people smell weird in a whole different way. It's just what you're used to I think. (I'm Asian)
MrSenorSan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well.. all humans/people from different social and cultural backgrounds smell differently as a group.
So, if you happen to suddenly find yourself in the middle of a group you normally would not be with then you will find their smell is different.
Some people ignorantly interpret "different" as "smelly".
Builderon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember reading that to most people white people's scent is close to that of a wet dog. But I haven't ever noticed it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, can anyone ELI5 the reason behind this?
Lustig1374 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:31:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Race isn't skin deep
Sub7Agent ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:31:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2ribll/eli5_why_do_different_races_of_people_seem_to/
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Physiological reasons mixed with a lot of diet. We've been on a "all races are exactly identical" kick since people were just murdering people for being a different race but the reality is that there are small differences, one of them being smell.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are different kinds of sweat glands. Black people, white people and asian people differ in the number and kind of sweat glands they have, on average. The difference is significant. On average, black people sweat more and smell more strongly. White people sweat and smell almost as much. Asian people sweat the least and have few or no apocrine glands, which are the ones that make you stinky.
Link to academic paper on this from 1980.
giggle7 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:35:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eli5: people use pseudoscience to justify racist stereotypes.
fuckyoubarry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:39:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here comes the science:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4304888/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26634572
doubleVirgo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Congratulations. You just played yourself.
Edit: I imagine it has much more to do with an individual's microbiom being different from having been raised in a substantially different environment. Brb, seeing if there's been any research on this.
fuckyoubarry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What that sentence is saying is that the bacteria in the ears may not be directly correlated with ethnic group membership. That sentence followed a different sentence that said the chemicals that cause body odor are found in different amounts depending on race.
fuckyoubarry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me know what research you find, I feel like a weird science racist for spending any amount of time looking into this to be honest.
doubleVirgo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's an interesting one.
http://kb.osu.edu/dspace/handle/1811/54814
Still doesn't seem to consider environmental factors though, even though that's like 90% what determines one's microbiome.
I would hypothesize that the difference would be less prevalent in individuals living in a more diverse situation, such as foster care.
fuckyoubarry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you're going to find a bunch of adoption studies looking into why black people smell different. But the studies I've seen so far(there aren't many) suggest that black people do smell different for some reason.
doubleVirgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:25 on November 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but your immune system is a huge part of what determines your body odor. When you live with people your immune systems tend to kind of sync up, from being exposed to the same bacteria. You also end up sharing a lot of the same good bacteria which is another factor. I'm sure there would still be some difference based on genetics, but the color of one's skin is a very small part of their entire genetic sequence and it's not really tied to many other factors.
fuckyoubarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:38 on November 11, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're guessing.
doubleVirgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:05 on November 15, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct, because, as stated, I was unable to find any significant research on this specific hypothesis.
santaclaus73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OK? Black people should smell different than white people for whatever reason. You don't really need any kind of scientific evidence of you have a nose.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 16:33:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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torreneastoria ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We all smell. It's ok.
dtracers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Just trying to explain what they are experiencing
torreneastoria ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL yeah I know I just am in post migraine mode and stating the obvious for my understanding.
LexicanLuthor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can you point to any?
SpecOpBeevee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually noticed only in high school when I was on the football team in the locker room for the first time.
itsdietz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just when sweaty, it's just a different body smell. It isn't bad necessarily just different. My cousin's are black and I first noticed it when they lived with us. Now that I've been seeing a black girl I notice a lot too.
kf4ypd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And so many black hair/skin products smell like baby powder in a very overpowering way.
kf4ypd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And so many black hair/skin products smell like baby powder in a very overpowering way.
Nekoconsulting1984 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to a public school very briefly in middle school, where the majority populous was white and the rest were black.
Half of the white kids never wore deodorant so...ah...a lot of the just smelled like onions after they sweated. This was in the south so you could imagine this was very often.
TheRealRaiden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, now you guys have made me curious about how a mulatto smells. If black people smell one way and white people smell a different way, which way does a mixed race person lean?
marzolian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read an advice column where an American soldier was dating a Korean girl. They cared for each other, but the girl would tell the guy, "you smell bad!" The advice columnist said that diet plays a very large part in how we smell. The American probably ate a lot of meat, much more than most Koreans.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/skin-care/information/nutrition/diet-body-odor.htm
demandamanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In elementary school after we would sweat in recess and PE, I thought the black kids in my class had a sweet/earthy kind of smell.
Goofypoops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's because we use different hygiene products
Bethistopheles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno man, I'm white and think Caucasians smell disgusting when wet. Didn't ever notice it with non Caucasian friends at the pool.
Edit: I think it's their scalp. I've never smelled anything but Caucasian scalps close up and it's all.....musky. Bleh.
SillyFlyGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White people smell like sour milk. Source: Asian people on the internet told me.
Apparently it's because lactose intolerance is very high among Asians so adults drink very little milk. White people drink more milk, so it's a part of our "smell profile", and Asians pick it up because their noses aren't used to it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is definitely true, as a White person I really do get it when Black people say White folk smell more like wet dogs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pheromones. Relax people, its science!
SunMoonTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone once told me white people smell of beef and milk.
a7neu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I spent a month in Tanzania and I never noticed a "black" smell, even though I took public transit etc. There were some people with BO but I never noticed a special black odor.
dtracers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It could be that black American smells different then black African. Different food, different hygiene products
Sturgeon_Genital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ppl
BlueOrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when my step-brother was little and playing sports, he smelled like complete shit when he sweated. I never smelled anything like it since. We're both white.
Basdad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White people smell like wet chickens, so I've been told, and yes, I am white.
Beard_sniffer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very true. Some sweat smells a bit like manure to me. 99% of the people I have encountered with this sweat smell are black. When I was little I thought that they just weren't wiping very well. I eventually mentioned it to my mom who told me that it was probably their sweat and that it didn't smell that bad to her. Now it smells more like sweat to me, but it does smell strange.
AntiPseudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard from a few people that white people smell a bit like sour milk, which is a bit unfortunate.
uniquememerinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this upsetting to people?
dtracers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they doing asked enough time with people of other cultures to realize they smell differently. And then further realize that they probably smell weird to those different cultures
its_blithe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, I don't spend much time around Indians or Black people, but they certainly have a different odour. Wonder what mine smells like lol. Do asians smell? OMG SKIN COLOUR HAS A SMELL. I want to know them all now.
plz2meatyu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard white people, like me, smell like raw meat to black people. Is this true?
Also, older black ladies smell like cocoa butter and moisturizer to me. I like it.
drketchup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This explains so much. My roommate in college smelled fine normally but when he had sex with his gf it would reek all down the hallway in our dorm building and I never knew why.
Mambutu_O_Malley ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:39:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wrestled in middle school and have gotten the up-close smell of many different wreslters ages 13-15 (all male). Most of my teammates that I practiced with were black. I went to a wrestling camp with all white guys and noticed right away that the white-guy stank smelled different than the black-guy stank. It's a thing, and I don't know the science behind it.
ManiacalShen ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 16:15:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They use different personal care products and sometimes more of them, since, for instance, dry skin is a little more obvious when you're dark. Maybe that's what they mean? Even when I can detect a difference, though, I can't think of a time I found it unpleasant, and I'm pretty sensitive. They people complaining are probably just exaggerating to be bigoted ass holes.
AverageMysticMammal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't been around Blacks or Asians enough to know their smells. But Hispanics can get a very particular smell that I'm not fond of, not sure if it's the diet or a particular hygiene problem, but I have noticed it. It's not a bigoted thing when you smell them before you see them. Scratch that, it's not a bigoted thing when only the ones that smell smell and the other ones are fine.
Also I've heard about soldiers having to change diet in the Middle East because the Taliban would be able to smell them. That was a long time ago and from my mother who doesn't do a lot of research but it makes sense to me.
HippyHitman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:31:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've definitely found it unpleasant, but I assume those people would still smell bad if they were white, just a different kind of bad.
Teuthex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:08:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I encountered some really fucking disgusting and distinctive odors from black people in high school but it's not something I would have blamed on a biological difference, or something I encountered anywhere near across the board. I figured it was some combination of weird products and poor hygiene. It was enough to make me hold my nose when going for my locker half the time. It's not something I'd thought about until now.
Waitwhatismybodydoin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I may have a problem with my black roommate leaving slime trails on everything he touches after lubing his body down with coconut oil for the day, but I've never noticed him smelling at all. It also has to do with diet. To me, some asian households and people smell very unpleasant and it is because of how different their diet is from me. I've also dated a couple of guys at various points who went on meat heavy diets and their skin oil was pretty awful smelling. One guy would drink clamato regularly and that was just bizarre from an olfacotry perspective.
ApplesBananasRhinoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's their own little piece of keeping the slavery attitude alive and well in the 21st century.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ManiacalShen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's part of it, and another big part is food. American black people don't eat all that differently from American whites, on average, though. No hugely different spices, for instance, like you might see in an Indian-American family.
tarantulatook ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, some may be the skin care products and such, but it's really the perspiration or body odor that's probably going to have enough of an effect to be fodder for racists. Smell and/or taste a white guy's balls and compare it to a black guy's. To a white person, it can smell a bit...vinegary? It's one thing to claim not to be able to see race, but everyone can smell junk funk.
paulfknwalsh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:07:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
brb!
Gingerdyke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not those of us with a weak sense of smell! But seriously I've never been able to smell these differences. I can smell BO but that just smells like BO across the board for me. This is nowhere near the first time others have smelled things that I cannot.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. I don't notice peoples'smells until they get into the BO funk stage, at which point noone smells pleasant.
Spookyjugular ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As i white man you are an idiot my balls probably smell bad when i step out of the shower.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:23:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Spookyjugular ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im just saying they're not gonna smell pretty
tarantulatook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, and that bad smell smells different than a black guy's, that's all I'm saying.
ghostofpennwast ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:30:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
>they
excuse me?
davidestroy ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:18:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that white people smell like wet dogs and sweaty pennies.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:31:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only when it's raining outside..
VincentVanNope ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:21:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... We kind of do :/
TheLawlessMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that wet dog smell is all in the hair. I went to a mostly white private school up until my last two years of highschool and they smelled like wet dogs when they were really sweaty. My last two years I went to a not so great publicish private school and joined the football team. Most of the guys with long dreads smelled just like wet dogs by the end of practice
Kendo16 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We smell like the spices white people don't use./s
altxatu ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's usually a common lotion or hair care product. Like cocoa butter, or something similar.
CBruce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always thought it was the smell of hair products. Never noticed any distinct smell that wasn't associated with an afro.
I did have a black friend once confess that they thought white people smell like wst dogs when we're wet.
shadow1515 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a legit thing, different people smell differently. There are some theories that each person's natural conception of who smells good and bad is based on detecting a partner with DNA that would optimally complement their own to produce the most genetically competitive offspring.
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 16:15:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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livenow222 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:26:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coming from someone who is mixed there are a lot of white people who smell like cheese or wet dogs and black people who smell like onions or musty. I don't think one is more worst then the other.
Wilhelm_III ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what I'm ultimately getting from this thread is that pretty much every ethnicity has a different scent based on body chemistry, diet, and hygiene products, and that everybody thinks everyone else smells bad b/c they're not used to it.
Sounds fair to me.
higherlogic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC Asians think whites smell like wet dog.
P2XTPool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or sour milk
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not racist at all. I was told by a black guy that "white people smell" is like not-quite-old milk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the secret: white people have their own crappy smell.
AlchemicalEnthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, everyone does.
My family smells like cheese, dryer lint, and paint all mixed up...kinda fresh and barfy at the same time.
Jeez though, you make an observation on one thing and everyone freaks out. I remember when i was a kid, and i was angry the neighbor kids got icecream and i didnt. Now that i think about it, that entire event didnt really matter, so idk why i made a big fuss about it at the time.
Anyway, i learned that when i was 8. Maybe you can read this comment a few times and learn from it.
shmixel ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:38:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try not saying 'blacks' to seem less racist.
BurntPaper ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Black" isn't racist at all. Not even a little bit.
It's far worse to say things like "African American", because then you're making assumptions about the person's heritage. And saying "Person of color" just sounds dumb as shit.
Black people are black just like white people are white.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does that logic make any sense again? Or is it some some bullshit made up parameter?
ProfessorCrackhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black as a description of skin color:
"My black friend is very nice."
That's not racist, it's describing the imaginary friend. It's not implying or expecting all black people to be friendly, it's talking about a single human.
"Blacks tend to be insert whatever here."
Now we're not being descriptive of a single person, we're painting a large population of people with a very large brush. We're making blanket statements about people based on the color of their skin.
And that's racist.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But "Black people are all evil" isn't racist? I don't get it.
ApprovalNet ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that case I guess we can safely call:
The New York Times racist
Ebony Magazine racist
MSNBC racist
The Atlantic racist
Shall I continue? Since these are all very liberal publications it looks like you've just proven what we've all suspected which is liberals are racist as fuck. So thanks for that.
SageWaterDragon ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:54:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I can be addressed as "white," I'm not going to feel bad for using the same parlance to address other people.
TimeTomorrow ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:51:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'blacks' is perfectly fine.
b3n5p34km4n ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that it is, it's just that "blacks" for some reason sounds worse than "black people". It's like how, even though Jews themselves refer to themselves as Jews, "Jew" sounds kinda derogatory compared to "Jewish people".
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's nice that you feel that way, but it's total horse shit and is just another sly tactic used to subtly hint at someone being racist. It's really not cool. To act like saying "blacks" reduces our perception of their humanity is idiotic when most of us that say it also say "whites". It also completely depends, sometimes I'll use it, sometimes I won't, it's because I don't give a shit about the usage of either.
b3n5p34km4n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not trying to say we should or shouldn't use certain terms. I just remember when I was in middle school, one of my best friends was Jewish and our other best friend said something one time about "Jews" sounding bad for some reason. Its just a connotation thing.
TimeTomorrow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that your world view concedes that black is a negative thing as an immutable fact. I'm not saying you mean it this way, but black people are black. The more you dance around it the more you are unintentionally feeding into the negative connotation.
This is why white doesnt sound negative in almost any context. The end game here is to destigmatize both the word black and blackness, not to delicately avoid the stigma which reinforces it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just based on the past though man and it could be said for the same of any minority that has been oppressed. I see how the word "jew" could be a more harsh term just because you can apply an angry tone much more easily with it, than you seem to be able to with "jewish people". When they were belittled for being "sub-human" people called them "fucking jews", not jewish people. So I get it, I just think to actually alleviate racial stressors in the future it's best not to look too deeply into word play such as that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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shmixel ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:07:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just suggest 'black people' like you did the first time. You might have seen similar sentiments in things like gay people > the gays, autistic people > the autistics. Feels more like people and less like they're defined by one trait.
Agree 100% with your first point though, that shit's annoying.
Marimba_Ani ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:05:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was with you until "retarded".
AlchemicalEnthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, at least you read the whole thing before creating an opinion. Im with you all the way.
Teuthex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was with you until you didn't use apostrophes.
AlchemicalEnthusiast ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:19:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im not a perfect human. im sorry.
Iamabioticgod ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
are you offended by the word retard? Let me tell, my sister is literally retarded and she says it all the time
Kellraiser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's cool that she gets to speak for everyone with an intellectual disability.
Iamabioticgod ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
well now you just sound retarded
TimeDependsOnYou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope you say black people not blacks. Saying blacks is too close to denying personhood. That's why that particular term is seen a edging on racism.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Solid_Freakin_Snake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for stating what I was going to say in such an eloquent and articulate manner.
[deleted] ยท -67 points ยท Posted at 16:19:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheGrimoire ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:58:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Downvoted for being a dick and calling the guy a retard for no reason.
Zonemasta8 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:29:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Downvoted for the second line
Jennacide88 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:25:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh please, you can't make any generalizations about another race these days without being called racist.
Iorith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So? Let them claim it, if they want to think that, they'll find a reason to back it up. It's easier than having an actual discussion.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:27:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's racist
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jiggy175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A asked a question in a debate about racism. You're racist!!!!!
Kelliente ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's literally what racism is...
Edit: Cannot tell if sarcastic because of username.
AlchemicalEnthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was a disclaimer, like the ones put on historical movies about how the events portrayed are a representation on how the times were, not how the producers think about blacks. retard.
kanada_kid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not have any black friends or something?
ClintTorus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid and finally went to elementary school with some black kids I noticed immediately their skin smelled funny. Not like bad, but it kinda reminded me of the way the vinyl upholstery smells inside a car on a hot sunny day. Just kinda oily sensation.
Forza1910 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half knowledge (if even): Doesn't that have something to do with differences im swat glands?
WockaFlockaFeller ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Breach and clear
DrCoolCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For the longest time my friend would say that black people smelled like carrots. I never understood.
MsKim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might be the haircare products which have a unique smell.
DetentionMrMatthews ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a job where I get very close to people's scalps. There is a distinct smell of the hair of black people. I always assumed it was due to hair products but I have no idea. Not really something I'd be comfortable bringing up to them.
TheGeraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people naturally have a slightly different smell to them than shite people, due to slight differences in sweat glands. I guess some people don't really like the smell, though I personally kind of like it.
Skoma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In my experience everyone has a "scent". Ever lend someone a sweatshirt and get it back smelling like them, or have a girlfriend keep something because it "smells like you"?
Individually we pick up different odors from or jobs, food we eat, products we use, etc. They combine for a pretty unique scent person to person. If you move out geographically and culturally, notes of that scent are more generalized. A daughter might use one brand of deodorant and her mom another, but they share the same household so most of that scent is the same. If most people in a population often cook with oregano it's natural to subconsciously associate that scent with that population.
I'm a white guy dating a black girl, and in my experience there is a detectable difference in our innate scent, beyond body wash amd coconut oil. I love her scent, but I think there's a gut reaction for people to say another race smells "bad" or "weird" because all humans are animals and we do smell bad. We simply become acclimated to our own scent and people we're around very quickly. I have had black friends jokingly ask me why white people "smell like wet dog sometimes" and not known what they meant. I've also been able to smell someone in the gym and tell they're black before looking at them. It's the same with walking into a room with a scent you're not used to, but then soon forgetting about it. It's even like the background hum of the AC you don't notice until it shuts off or changes.
I believe if I could be isolated away from white people for a while, with nose plugs in so I can't smell myself, once I returned their body odor would jump out at me a lot more noticeably. I'd be really aware of it for a while until it eventually faded into the background.
If you have some white friends you're really comfortable with, see if they'll let you take a good sniff for science lol.
Juicedupmonkeyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed black people smell different in general. And black women I've been with smell different too. I wouldn't say it's bad or gross though. Just different. People from different countries tend to as well, I've noticed.
marksoutherntwain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My black mother also believes "white people smell like wet dog". It's just a southern thing. Subtle racism runs deep.
soundsaboutWRIGHT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've lived in the South all my life and I've never heard that. Luckily to have lived in the big cities I guess.
jakesboy2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people have a grease like smell to them. Similar to how indian people smell like curry, asian people smell like asian food, etc. Idk if it's diet related or because of their hair. I prefer to date brown girls (mexican, mixed, middle eastern, etc) but I wouldn't date a full black girl. I'm not sure why but this could be part of the reason.
gindc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had black people and Asian people tell me that white people smell the worse. I didn't think it was true until I was in Guatemala on a bus. The bus was filled with Mayans that had been farming all day in the sun. Not a single scent of body odor. Then a German tourist got on the bus. It was one of the most foul smells I had ever encountered. Made me realize there was truth in how bad white people can smell.
The Japanese find white body odor so offensive, they call white people "butter stinkers".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only thing I could think of is Cocoa Butter. But that stuff smells amazing, so that can't be it.
APiousCultist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe moisturiser? Dry skin turns white, which is obviously much less of an issue if your skin is already 'white'.
bahgheera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a white man from the south and I have never heard of this.
ZodiacMan423 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've lived in the South my entire life and basically all of us (black, white, asian, hispanic, etc) smell weird. It's just a mix of all the deep fried foods, humidity, and sweet tea in the air that does it.
KneeDeepInTheDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard black people saying white people smell like spoiled milk? lmao
Ferfrendongles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean that's a real thing.
Metalmorphosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is so weird to me as well. I'm a white woman married to a black man. I never once thought he smelled different or weird, in fact, I really like the way he smells. He only uses deodorant (no colognes or sprays) so I'm actually smelling him and not a perfume. The same with his entire family.
SausageMcMerkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me, black people's b.o. tends to smell...I can only describe it as "musky", versus white people's b.o., which smells kind of "oniony". In my experience, the darker one's skin, the stronger it is, so it's probably melanin-related? Though I could be way off base, and it's just associated with skin care products marketed to black people.
Dickwagger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Growing up my Mom always baked homemade bread. Goddamnit I miss that. I grew up with basically the same kids all the way through high school. One day a bunch of us were sitting around and talking about smells, how "she" always smelled this way, how "he" always smelled that way. And then someone said, "Yeah, dickwagger always smells like homemade bread", and everyone agreed with him. I had never heard this before and I was shocked and a bit embarrassed. It's so very interesting how we associate things with familiar smells. Thanks for reading:)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My coworkers (southeastern US) recently hashed this out. Black coworkers say that white people have a smell that ranges from neutral to "wet dog". White coworkers say that black people have a smell that ranges from neutral to "musty" or "sour".
I personally think that most of this is related to personal care products and their use. Much of it is likely regional as well.
ledivin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grew up in a very mixed neighborhood, black/white definitely does have a distinctly different smell. It's not food or lifestyle or anything - I had some very rich and very poor black friends growing up. Can't really describe it off-hand, but I always recognize it immediately. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
wendt_in_her_pants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have lived in Texas most of my life- I have never heard this before! I'm shocked that people think this and say this. I am white- I have never thought black people smell any different than white people.
I know sometime people smell differently because of different things that they eat (but I have really only noticed this with garlic, and on other white people. And it's so obviously garlic.)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
reads comments
This is a strange website.
GarbledReverie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was little I remember putting on sunblock that smelled like cocoa butter. Only I didn't know it was cocoa butter, so to me it smelled like "black people".
At that point in my life I couldn't have met that many black people, but I guess of the few I had met, one or two of them must have been wearing cocoa butter and it stuck with me.
Looking back, I'm grateful that I wasn't terribly vocal about this association, and also that I happened to like the smell of cocoa butter.
LanAkou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a black friend in high school. We were pretty tight. We would ask each other all our genuine questions that would have come off super racist if we asked anyone else.
He asked me one day if he smelled different to me. I told him yes, but I couldn't quite describe it. I told him it wasn't great, but that it was just his scent. Not much he can do about it.
Then I asked him if I smelled different, and he told me that, at least to him, most white people smelled like dog. It wasn't always obvious, but it becomes abundantly clear after it rains. When it rains, we smell dead on like wet dog.
So yeah. That's my 2 cents.
PS: Now that I'm older I have way more black friends (Or as I usually refer to them as, "friends"), and they all smell lovely. High schoolers aren't exactly super hygienic so that could have been a factor. Take it all with a big ol' grain of salt.
ButtsexEurope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people usually smell like cocoa butter because they use it for their skin. Otherwise they look ashy. Black people also have to use different shampoos because dimethicone makes their hair fall out.
elbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Products probably. White folks use lotion while Black folks use cocoa butter
orafish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is no one talking about how EVERYONE smells differently?!
Am I the only one who notices this? It is personal chemistry, not racial.
I (horrifically) can recall how just about everyone I know smells, and they are all unique and vastly different. I am not talking about parfum, deodorant, garlic or Tumeric sweat... But the base smell of a person. ...is this odd? Doesn't everyone?
I have noticed that the... "Top notes" can be stereotypical based on cultural practices, not necessarily race. But the base sweat/musk/pheromone is singularly identifiable and far more catching and remarkable. Except for newborns, they all smell the same underneath the filth. Like... Sun and wild flowers, fresh dried lambs wool.
jussayin_isall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i got in trouble once for pointing out that black people smell like lotion
they do though!!
kcall123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like a southern thing. I'm originally from up north (and just recently moved back) but lived in the south for 10 years. I lived with a girl from a very southern family. They took in a black girl as a baby and have been raising her ever since. BUT get this - she was telling me how she wasn't allowed to date black guys. Pretty racist, but nothing I hadn't heard of. So I ask her if her sister is allowed to date black guys. She says yes because she's black. THEN I ask if her sister can date white guys, and she says no. Her exact explanation was "southern racism" but she was completely okay with it
incognito_mama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is up with this is people are confusing race with the diet of a cultural group. It is not our race that determines our smell when we sweat, rather our diet, what we consume. So if you have a cultural group that predominantly eats certain foods they will likely emanate a similar smell when they sweat.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think statistically black people just use way more lotion than white people(ashey elbows anyone?), that lotion carries the "smell" that many southern racists don't like.
dedom19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do some people really think different races and genetics don't produce different types of smells? TIL!
LuvBeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you have no idea what she meant you likely haven't spent much time close to black people or don't have strong smell receptors. I don't find the difference unpleasant but saying it doesn't exist is retarded.
fuckyoubarry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The gym I go to has a walking track above the basketball courts, I walk a lap or two in between sets so I'm not just pacing around the weight room like a tiger. The basketball courts are full of black people, and the weight room is full of white people, as a general rule. The difference in smell is pretty noticeable. But the black people at my gym playing basketball are all teenage immigrants so that's probably a factor too.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
~~Melanin has a very distinct smell. If you go up to a black person and smell them, other than soaps, perfumes and the likes, they will smell very different from white people. ~~
Same goes for asians, middle easterners, nordic area persons and etc.
Being i confused the two, the deal was apocrine is greater in black populations which causes more smells from sweat. Got it mixed with melanin, sorry for the misinfo
LexicanLuthor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:33:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I very much doubt the truth to this. I've known Pakistani men, husband is half korean and I'm around my MIL (full korean) quite a bit, have had black friends in the past... none of them "smelled" different, other than their individual scent choices (Pakistani guy wore some kind of great cologne, etc)
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats odd then. Iv'e lived in the ghetto and almost every black person had some form of the same melanin smell. there were, of course, the ones that'd clean themselves up a littler more, dressed nicer and used stronger soaps and colognes that i couldn't notice because they smelled nice; but, i remember that smell very well.
Also had a czech friend named, pronounced boy-on, that had a very distinct smell in highschool. even after wed shower after gym he had some odd odor that i attribute to where he lived since nobody else smelled like him, even after getting clean.
Just like old people have a distinct smell: http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/31/old-person-smell-really-exists-scientists-say/
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
??? Well I live in Alabama and I have the exact same reasoning. I could never date a black girl because they do smell weird. Black people have this smell. Not only that but I can't imagine the black girls vagina would be any good. Probably gonna get a lot of shit for this but who cares it's the internet right
tmpick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:42:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people smell like chicken soup and white people smell like sour milk. Asians kind of smell like stinky grease? Like a light oil? Not very strong. Hispanics smell like a sweetish dirt smell, with cumin. This was even when we were all eating the same diet.
After a few weeks in the field you don't even notice smells that would knock you out the rest of the time.
ZerexTheCool ยท 504 points ยท Posted at 16:10:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, that could describe quite a few Redditors as well.
prodmerc ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:45:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And here /u/ZerexTheCool has made an incredible discovery - a new racial classification.
The Redditoid will be added to the list of known broad human race classifications, which so far have included Caucasoids, Mongoloids and Negroids.
ZerexTheCool ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Keep the bloodline pure! Do not breed with anyone but the Redditoids!
...Well, I mean, unless they are willing to breed. Then... take whatever you can get.
ttmab7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:40:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our race is going to go extinct so fucking fast.
Roasty_Mytosis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Me_irl
Copper1233 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Paging /u/obama
infez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His username is actually "PresidentObama" if you were wondering.
mlnjd ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The black ones?
[deleted] ยท 3133 points ยท Posted at 16:20:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was eight years old when Obama won his first election. The atmosphere was incredible. Everyone in my grade was excited- black, white, asian, you name it. I even have my daily journal entry from that day! Not that we knew the signifigance, of course- we just heard that it was history in the making, and thought it was cool. Except for this one boy...
This kid was pissed. I was a pretty friendly girl, so I went over and asked him why he was upset. I'll never forget his response. He said "It's not right. He shouldn't be president". As a kid, I kinda brushed it off and got caught up in the good mood again. But now, at 16, I realize how crazy that was. No eight year old would be that angry about a black man being president of their own accord.
As a black child, I woke up that day to my teary-eyed mom, holding a copy of the newspaper that we still own. I can only imagine now what that boy woke up to in his own home...
Edit: Words. Also, there's a bit more to this story, but I only wrote what I'm 120% positive actually happened.
Edit #2: WTF gold?! Thanks so much!
meshugga ยท 1645 points ยท Posted at 16:44:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, I never thought about it like that.
TheSaltbird ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 19:22:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a freshman in high school when Obama was elected. We had this old, gruff history teacher who had to be in his early sixties. He was a war veteran and showed little emotion. Nice guy, just emotionless. He was also a big Republican. I remember watching news of Obama clinching the win in his class and we all looked over and saw tears silently streaming down his face. Somebody asked him what was wrong and he replied, "I may not have voted for the man, but this is a great day for our country." Apparently he was an avid basketball player during high school and college on predominantly black teams. He said that some other schools would refuse to play their school because of the black players and the schools that did play them were very physically violent during games. I was very naive because that's when I kinda realized how big a deal Obama getting elected was. It wasn't just an extremely great and important point for black people in America, but for America in general. Obama getting elected brought tears to an old, white Republican man. Great and historical moment for America.
doppelganger47 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:07:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the announcement in the break room at work and bawled. It was the first time I voted (just turned 18) and I remember thinking that we truly could change things with our votes.
That was a very special feeling. I do not have that feeling this year.
japaneseknotweed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:17:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he by any chance go to Oberlin, do you know? There's a pretty decent book about their interracial team and what happened because of it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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japaneseknotweed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:58:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oberlin is in Ohio and draws students from everywhere, so could be.
ImprovingPoet ยท 296 points ยท Posted at 17:10:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom cried too. My grandparents danced. They showed me the newspaper clippings they saved from when MLK was killed. It was such a big deal.
jaxxon ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:28:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a white guy in a white town and we danced and cheered in the streets too!! :)
melibeli7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm white but my parents came home and gave each other a big old kiss when they saw each other. The world rejoiced when Obama was re-elected.
sezmic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When MLK was killed?
momocat ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Randy Marsh? Change!
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:35:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:52:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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ImprovingPoet ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:53:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're middle middle class. Both have masters degree. We would be upper middle but debts brought us down. They are more so disappointed in how he's let down the black community. I just want to hear him say, "Black Lives Matter. If you can't agree with that statement you're a racist un-American piece of crap." As far as policy, they're not surprised at congress stopping everything he does. I think Trump as revealed how racist America and its leaders are. He's done his best and we're proud that he was our first black president. He's a wonderful human.
This election they wanted to vote for Bernie. They like Jill Stein but don't want to vote for her because she won't win. I identify as Green Party and will be voting for her. I think my parents will write in Bernie.
SeagullExpert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just want to point out that there's a big difference between agreeing with the general statement "black lives matter" and agreeing with everything BLM says/does as a social movement.
Studsy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, "black lives matter" does not represent the entire black race, it is just an organization and many black people completely disagree with what they are doing nowadays.
realsomalipirate ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:03:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think using aggression and anger is not the best possible thing if you want people to empathize with your cause. I think if Obama came out talking about the problems in America's criminal justice system and how it targets people of colour, that would be a much stronger and impactful comment.
ImprovingPoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. He would have to make that statement presidential and diplomatic.
COLU_BUS ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:42:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop using ellipsis.
i_seen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:45:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No...
Joetato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sigh. Fine. I'll just start using ellipses, then.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:48:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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COLU_BUS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally just use a comma or period where you would otherwise use ellipsis.
pooeypookie ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:41:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With a little googling, you could be base your questions on polls and hard statistics, but that would require facing down your cognitive dissonance, wouldn't it?
johnnynulty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:04:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This dude tried to pass himself off as the owner of Harley the skateboarding bulldog. I don't think he and the facts of Google are good friends.
pooeypookie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His salty ass has deleted his comments, but I have him tagged as 'Likes to poll lower class black people'
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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pooeypookie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment is hilarious. Polls and statistics are unrelated? Okay, sure thing buddy.
By using good, statistically sound methods like having appropriate sample sizes. Not by knowing a few lower class black people and then asking someone on the internet if their family is lower class.
Okay. I'll admit to that. I don't even care. Your rant about polls and statistics not being related is totally worth being a condescending cunt for.
angruss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Polls are just surveys of opinion (rather than, say, a survey that uses scientifically validated likert scales). While polls and statistics are not technically the same thing, the results of polls are absolutely statistics. They are descriptive statistics, at least, as they show how many people were polled and the frequency of each answer in the poll/survey. In order to answer the question you're posing, there must also be correlational analysis. For instance, we poll a bunch of people on thier race, income, and attitudes toward Obama. A correlational analysis could show the relationship between any two variables, so we could see right off the bat if a certain race or class correlates with liking Obama. Even better, we could run a multiple regression and see how the linear combination of race and class impacts a person's view of the president. These are all statistical analyses that can be run on poll results, but sure, polls aren't statistics.
pooeypookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment is right, but I'd argue that polls are statistics insofar as you need to conduct your poll with proper methodology to generate data worthy of statistical analysis.
A Gallup poll might not technically be statistics, but it's a lot more significant to statisticians than an online CNN poll. It's kind of a theory/practice split.
angruss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah. That's getting into reliability and validity, which are super important, but a little higher level than what needed to be said to address the now deleted comment that i was replying to
TheRealQU4D ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 17:00:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen The Butler? I loved the insight on how people reacted to Obama being elected, since I was a kid when he was voted in and didn't really understand the importance of it.
deadbeatsummers ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:30:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in high school, and it's bizarre to look back and remember that our school actually banned those campaign t-shirts so people wouldn't get into fights.
Kingbuji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nah the boondocks had the best insight on how people reacted....
FairyOfTheStars ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:40:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The night he won I was driving home, heard it on the radio and started crying like a waterfall. Pulled into gas station to fill my tank and the attendant asked if I was ok. Had to nod enthusiastically and tell him it was happy tears ๐๐
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:07:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it was pretty emotional in hindsight. Even as a child, I could feel the magnitude of what was going on. I've only seen my parents that emotional a few times since then.
AnonymousWritings ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 17:18:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Did you see the video of the 100-odd year old black woman meeting obama in the oval office that was posted to reddit a few months back? That probably goves some good idea about how many people felt.
A lot of "racist" language from her though. The times they are a changin.Edit: Misremembering the video apparently.ChaIroOtoko ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 17:33:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you imagine how she must have felt?
Her life began when lynching blacks was a common thing and it culminated by meeting the first black president of the US.
AnonymousWritings ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:37:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Crazy stuff.
And a lot more people would have lived from a time when blacks couldn't vote, and saw the fist black president.
ChaIroOtoko ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:45:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No wonder she danced through the whole interaction.
ghostofpennwast ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 18:52:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lynching was never very prolific.
IRL only like less than 3k people were ever lynched in the US.
More people died in 9/11
FountainsOfFluids ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it happened a few here and a few there, just enough so that everybody knew it was a real, persistent threat. So even if it didn't cause as much actual loss of life as we in the present might think, it really did cause massive oppression through the threat.
rox0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just call people in the south terrorists? Did the US pass the patriot act and invade the south because of lynchings? The difference response should indicate something to you.
This conservative estimate is 50 larger than your "pulled out of your ass" statistic.
ghostofpennwast ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only 3400 were black.
http://www.chesnuttarchive.org/classroom/lynchingstat.html
carbonfiberx ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:41:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen that video and have no idea what you're talking about.
AnonymousWritings ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:50:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I just re-watched it and I'm completely mistaken. I was mis-remembering her to have said things that sound racist now but are just the way people would have talked.
My bad.
Statement retracted.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 17:25:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Eh, my parents didn't really care even though they voted for them.
"Meet the new boss,same as the old."
Maybe a few people thought this was somehow a "life changing experience" lol, over emotional I'd what I call it.
realsomalipirate ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:04:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were some black americans who lived through the jim crow era and how awful that would have been, seeing a black US president would have been huge for them.
MattRix ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:48:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yup, and it's not like all racism magically ended at the end of the jim crow era
VolvoKoloradikal ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My bad.
jenniepeterson ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:21:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much racist, but insensitive and dismissive I think.
that-writer-kid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:51:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're not black it's really not your place to comment. It's insensitive and frankly kind of mean. You might not be generally racist but that was a pretty classic example of institutional racism.
VolvoKoloradikal ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ok fair enough
Half_Man1 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 18:30:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can tell you right now my Mom who's pushing 70 is going to be bawling her eyes out when Hillary's inaugurated.
KommanderKrebs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 80 year old grandmother hates Hillary. She doesn't care about her gender, Just that she's a Democrat and she's done some pretty shifty stuff.
Half_Man1 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:52:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mean to imply that because she's an old woman she has to support Hillary.
But my mom does, and because she is, this is very important to her.
KommanderKrebs ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 19:27:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I figured you meant because she was alive in a time where woman weren't treated near as equal. I'm surprised my grandmother doesn't care about her being the first female president, and actually is focusing on politics instead
Half_Man1 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:47:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I assure you, had the nominees genders been swapped, she'd still be voting Clinton.
KommanderKrebs ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, I was reading into it too much due to the whole focus on race with the talk of the first Black president.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:38:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
are you trying to tell him your grandma is better than his? Really?
KommanderKrebs ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, what? I'm saying that she surprised me with her choice. I don't give a damn who anyone votes for or why.
reeblebeeble ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:32:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gender equality is politics.
Gravityflexo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair if your 80, it's almost guaranteed you've done some shitty stuff.
realsomalipirate ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:00:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm canadian but my mother and father were so happy when Obama won and we still have a magazine (maclean magazine, a canadian news mag) right after Obama won in 08. I think for many black people it was really a joyous occasion.
vampire_vladd ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:03:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was training for the Army when Obama won the first time, and had went to bed before they called it because I knew we had a long day the next day. The moment that they called the election there was so much cheering that I woke up, followed by one of the other soldiers running down the halls screaming "It finally happened! We won! Kill all the white people!"
I'm not even exaggerating.
I can understand how momentous it was but that's what always stands out in my mind.
Edit: spelling errors
meshugga ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 18:05:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but that's hilarious :)
geekygirl23 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 19:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obvious joke.
sailorvaj ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:41:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whitey missed the joke.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:07:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was deployed in Iraq during that election. I saw grown black men with tears in their eyes on the phone with their families from sheer joy.
fizbin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In 2008, in December, I was commuting frequently on a route that had me take one train to the end of the line, then get off and walk across the street and around construction barriers to another station. (Light rail to Trenton to NJTransit rail)
One day, there were some (black) kids at that corner singing "Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer" while they were, I don't know, waiting for a bus or something with a very overworked-looking woman. They were adding in the little "like football" and similar bits, and when they got to the end: "you'll go down in history..." "Like Lincoln" "No, like Obama!" "yeah, okay, like Obama!"
Ginjedai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We celebrated on the lawn and played croquet and drank mimosas all day, we were all grungy looking hipsters on drugs.
huktonfonix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was living in South Africa when Obama got elected, and went to a bar with some friends to watch the inauguration. The only Americans there were me and one other guy, but the entire place was in tears as they watched.
yomama629 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:28:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good. People who think like that "I'm not an individual, I'm a member of some group, he's also a member of said group so obviously I'm gonna vote for him without a care about policy" are idiots. Identity politics is garbage, especially in a country where individualism is the name of the game.
meshugga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not they who are the idiots in this conversation, trust me.
yomama629 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have an actual argument? Or are you just content with calling me an idiot because I don't understand this "we are a group, not individuals" mentality in a capitalist society?
meshugga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, i thought "idiot" and "garbage" were valid arguments for you.
yomama629 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Identity politics is garbage. People who vote for someone just because they perceive him as being part of their little group are idiots. Debate that if you can, if you can't then stop replying.
ingridelena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah my parents told me how they never thought they'd see that day in their lifetime. They were born in the mid/early 40s and my mom grew up in a segragated area.
falconinthedive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lived in Memphis when Obama won the first time and someone papered my apartment complex with printed out sheets that just read "My President is Black." The morning after, it was as great a moment as his victory to relive.
geekygirl23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How did you miss how generally happy most black people were after he won? It was similar to post 9/11 camaraderie.
Elderkin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama say what it do.
inclusivefitness ยท 780 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father (white, Canadian) cried when Obama won. I'd only seen him cry one other time when his close friend died. He put the newspaper front page up on the office door and it's been there ever since. My mom also recently put up a newspaper cover of Justin Trudeau and Obama hugging on our fridge.
A_Bottle_Of_Charades ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda off topic, but Im Canadian, my parents are Irish immigrants. My first memory is the only time I ever saw my father cry. It was right after JFK got shot.
He grew up in Northern Ireland, where Catholics at the time didn't really have what the rest of the world calls human rights, so when JFK got elected he was absolutely amazed. He took his death very harshly, and he had never even been to America.
TinyFemale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of families share that sentiment
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My grandma tells me how she sobbed in the kitchen when they announced he died. She cried the entire day. 24 year old Australian woman.
Atoning_Unifex ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:05:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i wept tears of joy the first time he got elected. ive never done that before or since
MissMyst7 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:25:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I cried too. I watched him inaugurated, on tv, while at work in a very republican company. Our hospice doctor and i were both crying and i think we were the only ones old enough to understand the impact and awesone huge deal this was. I wish i had saved the paper that day.
Gatineau ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow Canadian here. You and your family sound like nice people. Hugs and upvotes.
inclusivefitness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
CallMeDoc24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also Canadian. Our school had every class attend an assembly where we simply watched Obama's inauguration.
DecryptedGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit mine too! There was much cheering.
AusCan531 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell? How did they even get into your kitchen?? I've heard of politicians being in a cabinet but JT and OB have crossed the line here.
Lozzif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White Australian. Did the same.
I also hadn't realized how important it was to have a woman in power until Julia Gillard became PM. I danced around my office that day and am still bitter how she was treated.
niramu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My father (white, Canadian as well) hates Justin and Obama. He even said he would vote for Trump if he were American. He even tried to convince my husband (who is American) to vote for Trump on his behalf. My husband was not impressed with that.
My mum and I are pretty liberal though, so we don't really see eye to eye with my father. We avoid political discussions with him, because fact checking and controlling his anger is not his strong suit when politics are involved
twwwy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking hippies.
RADEK2000 ยท -156 points ยท Posted at 17:23:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are people who didn't vote for him because he's black, and there are countless (probably even more) who voted for him just because he's black. Your father, if American, definitely sounds like the guy who would vote for Obama just because he's black
inclusivefitness ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 17:31:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that saying my father was Canadian was a clear way of saying he is not American. And a lot of us were very excited about Obama for more reasons than his skin colour...
RADEK2000 ยท -80 points ยท Posted at 18:01:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why, how is he so special besides being black?
EliteNub ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 18:06:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was able to rally many Americans and gave us hope for a more optimistic future. He promised and succeeded in dragging us out of the worst recession since the 30's.
RADEK2000 ยท -56 points ยท Posted at 18:21:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The main reason he rallied so many is because his is black.
He never had a plan for an "optimistic future", he just said "Hope and change!"
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RADEK2000 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think Obama made it better? Even though he greatly exacerbated the Libyan, Syrian, and Egyptian conflicts?
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RADEK2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People in South Africa don't even know what Obama does and they still like him.
Do you think that is because he's black? I think it plays a major role.
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RADEK2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:36:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is funny because Obama started more conflicts in the Middle East than he aimed to finish.
MattRix ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:52:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that by the same logic, you could say that the reason most of the previous presidents got elected was because they were white, right? If they hadn't been white they wouldn't have had a chance getting elected, even if otherwise they had the same personality, platform, and policies.
EliteNub ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:30:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He certainly gave me, my family, and many others hope after the terrible Bush years. Hope and Change was the perfect slogan at the time and really brought his message home.
LeeSinSmokesWeed ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 19:01:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did he do?
EliteNub ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:06:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/cea/speeches-testimony/treatment_and_prevention
http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/05/news/economy/obama-economy/
We are doing much better than we were prior to when he came into office.
uncleben85 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:56:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... Trump says the country is the worst it's ever been!
KaseyKasem ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:38:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Considering how bad things were, that'd be hard to fuck up. Moreover, the executive branch really has no financial control, so it'd be wise to thank your congressmen.
EliteNub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course our congressmen helped, but the president deserves a lot of credit as well.
http://time.com/money/4176949/who-really-dug-us-out-of-the-great-recession/
KaseyKasem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just think that people put far too much stock into the executive. There is only so much power really available there.
Worse is the people who get unbelievably fired up on reddit about the presidential election and then are "too busy" to vote in midterm elections, where it really matters.
Come the fuck on.
EliteNub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People do put too much stock into the executive, but it's undeniable that they still play a pretty large role in our government.
LeeSinSmokesWeed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
None of your links point to anything specific that Obama did or said, he had very little to do if anything at all with the federal reserve.
EliteNub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read my first link? Within a few paragraphs it talks about how Obama and his administration worked with congress to pass recovery acts.
LeeSinSmokesWeed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:12:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
AngelKnives ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:42:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's more than countless?
Crashmo ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:58:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's what people say when they actually have no idea what they're talking about.
"Countless people are exploiting the welfare system, that's why we should cancel food stamps!"
RADEK2000 ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 18:11:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd estimate that 15-25% of people voted for him just because of his race
ATE_SPOKE_BEE ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:54:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just counted.
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:14:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's countless to you? Maybe you should go back to kindergarten.
Also, you should really use polls if you don't want people to think you're just trying to justify your racial resentment.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:09:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how people always have to convince themselves that they're capable to understand others' true intentions and beliefs just because they're unable to process the fact that they're not always right and others have their own opinions.
falconinthedive ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:44:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's incredibly dismissive to say that "probably more" people voted for him just because he was black than vocal racists who did the opposite--particularly with the racially based birther movement that sprung up and persisted after his win.
A politician is a variety of positions, paired against those of the other party that people like or dislike, and while all things similar, perhaps they might be inclined to vote for Obama over the theoretical identical white Obama who wasn't running in 08. Obama ran a more energetic campaign than Hillary Clinton did and his vision for America resonated. He ran a good ground campaign registering first time voters and increasing turnout, and McCain faltered and didn't recover after picking Palin. He won because of that, not because of the color of his skin.
Besides, if skin color was all that mattered, where was the unilateral crossover to vote for Ben Carson? Voters obviously care about more.
KornymthaFR ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 18:13:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which I find sad. People measuring advancement of our society just because a person of a certain color is elected to a high office.
abazazeoee ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:27:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing your white. Representation means a lot.
Plus, I can't think of anyone else I'd rather have be the face of America.
scotems ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:20:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*you're+
I agree with both of you, though. It's a shame that we're not past the point where a black president means something really big, but it does, it is important.
pocketknifeMT ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 18:33:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a pity they voted for him this way. How embarrassing is it going to be when the first black president is labelled a criminal like Nixon?
Awkward optics for sure.
He's just as guilty as Hillary regarding the improper storage and communication of classified information, and then he lied about it directly.
He is stumping hard for Clinton because if she doesn't win, he is definitely not going down in the history books like he wants to.
DonaldMcRonald2016 ยท -156 points ยท Posted at 17:00:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe when the country finally falls apart completely because of Obama, your dad can cry then too
Tyg13 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 17:01:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody feed the troll here, move along lads.
inclusivefitness ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:32:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh honey, we can see your election coverage in Canada. I think your country is already falling apart.
alilah ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:11:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any day now...still waiting...any day...
DVasky ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:22:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You spelled Trump wrong
LexLuthor2012 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off dude, people have been saying that since Kennedy and yet here we are
DonaldMcRonald2016 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 23:22:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol -135 votes on a subcomment subcomment. There is so much pathetic vote manipulation going on here
LexLuthor2012 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:07:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, people just find you obnoxious
Vikkunen ยท 147 points ยท Posted at 17:16:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's the aspect of the 2008 election that's lost on young people. I'm a 30-something white guy, but I remember a conversation I had with my aunt, who grew up in South Georgia during the 1940s and 50s, on the day of Obama's first inauguration where she was simply incredulous. Not in a ZOMG HE'S A KENYAN MUSLIM way, but in an "Oh my God, this is incredible. I never thought I'd live to see this day" sort of way.
All politics aside, it's very difficult for young people -- particularly whites -- who didn't have the opportunity to experience the "good old days" to appreciate just what a monumental event in American history the 2008 presidential election was. It's all too easy to just assume that things have always been the way they are now without recognizing that as far as we still have to go to create a more just and fair democracy, it used to be SO SO much worse.
kdoodlethug ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:49:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a lot of ways this could be a good thing. Because young people will accept the diversity easily and not see it as a big deal.
Vikkunen ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:00:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. A couple of years ago I was listening to an interview with a 60s-era civil rights warrior on NPR in which he was asked what it will take for us to make further progress in the area of race relations, and his response was something along the lines of "All my types need to die off."
His explanation was that since people of a certain generation have such strong emotional ties to the movement, as long as they're around it's going to be impossible to look at civil rights and race relations in anything but oppositional terms.
But once they're gone and a new generation that's only ever known the new status-quo takes over, they will be able to negotiate progress with a new baseline.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the opposite. The kind of people who think racism doesn't exist because "well, i've never seen it" or who think racism is just over the top stuff like the kkk
kdoodlethug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:14 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This can be an issue too, for sure. I think it can also be promising in a way though. Some people might not be seeing racism because there isn't much of it in their area (while of course others are just unaware or ignorant).
ghostofpennwast ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 19:00:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what is diversity?
Having a rich black man who supports entrenched interests of the well connected isn't a sign of progress.
badgerandaccessories ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Diversity is making it not matter who you are, just what you do.
kdoodlethug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:39 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying that people not seeing it as a big deal or shocking based on race is progress in regards to society, all else aside.
kdoodlethug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:40 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying that people not seeing it as a big deal or shocking based on race is progress in regards to society, all else aside.
kdoodlethug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:40 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm saying that people not seeing it as a big deal or shocking based on race is progress in regards to society, all else aside.
japaneseknotweed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:19:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is also how us older women feel about feminism in general. If you weren't a professional working female twenty years ago, you don't know just how bad it was -- and how new, dearly bought, and precarious the "better" bits are.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a young white, yeah. It is forgotten. But I still like Obama a lot. I get a "Cool Dad" vibe from him. Like he's all of Americas cool dad. (I mean he's the president and a major political figure, but still)
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:00:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids have never known a world where a black man couldn't be president. It's so wildly different from the way I grew up, which is vastly different from how my parents grew up. Really makes you think about the changes that can take place in just one generation. This is the hope I have. That by the time my daughter, who was born just a couple of days before Obama's inauguration, has children, they will only know of sexism, racism, and bigotry from their history books.
I hope, anyway.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was eight, I saw a black man become president. When my mom was eight, she never would've dreamed of that.
Ladyingreypajamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was always told anything was possible, but didn't think I'd see it so soon in my lifetime. I was 21 when he was elected and I cried over our biracial newborn who suddenly had a billion opportunities and possibilities at her feet.
It was a truly momentous occasion.
Vikkunen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely amazing to think how far we've come in such a short time. I look at my two year old daughter and just boggle to think of the things she will see and experience during her lifetime.
jim5cents ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Not to take away from the historical significance of you perhaps becomes the first female President, but for a younger, younger generation, you will also become their first white President." - Zach Galifianakis
Stromboli61 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My great grandmother is 104 going on 105.
I'll never forget when Obama was elected she took note. She stopped giving any fucks about anything, let alone politics about 15 years ago and has been in a nursing home for about a decade.
When Obama won, she saw him on tv. She asked me grandpa who was the black man. My grandpa said it was the president. She immediately congratulated one of the black nurses saying she never thought she'd live to see the day.
NEOKhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your friend reminds me of eric cartman
tiffroussel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a liberal white woman and when my first daughter was born in 2008 my husband and I filled out one of those calendars where you mark your child's milestones as they happen (first tooth, first bath, their height and weight at doctor visits). I looked back a few years ago and saw that on November 5, I wrote "First Black President Elected" with a smiley face. Pretty big deal.
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spyson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty awesome.
plz2meatyu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact he was in that car is the best part for me.
StaySwoleMrshmllwMan ยท 188 points ยท Posted at 16:47:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to agree with obama obviously, but to say that it's "not right" for a black person to be president? Wow.
closest ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 17:17:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently came across a man who believe Hilary shouldn't be president because she's a woman. Not even about her character, but because to him women shouldn't be in positions of power. Like I think he believes a woman shouldn't be a boss over any man. I'm like... what kind of archaic shit is this? Oh, and he also said that everything he has against black people isn't "prejudice" it's "heritage."
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:04:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like this guy
dimechimes ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:41:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with a woman who thinks the same thing.
brown_thunda_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 81 year old grandma (white, and lived her whole life in BFE Tennessee) says all the time that women have no business in positions of power and is horrified at the thought of Hillary winning. Her sole reasoning is that "women make decisions out of emotion and god didn't mean for women to lead."
xiaodown ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:52:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The New Testament.
NotC9_JustHigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Ferengis live among us.
yomama629 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's usually the opposite, "who cares if Hillary is a terrible person? Dontcha think it's time for a woman president?"
dimechimes ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 17:41:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife and I were Obama supporters. Her mom couldn't stand the thought of him being President"because he was black."
This same woman never said a racist thing in her life. All her kids had black friends who spent the night at her house. She talked with their parents like they were old friends.
It was so eye opening to see where she drew the line and that even with her there was such a thing as "knowing one's place".
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:19:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's so interesting. I see this type of mindset far more with sexism. There are many people I know who can be friends with women and love them and be kind to them, but they start to get upset when they start to not "know their place"
x86_64Ubuntu ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:01:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the things that the Obama presidency uncovered was how much people have invested in the racial heirarchy. Sure, they don't say racist stuff, do overt racist things, but their identity and view of "a functioning society" involves blacks being in their place and subjugated. Then, Obama won, and people felt that the hierarchy was being threatened and that they were threatened by proxy.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Archmage_Falagar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:01:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't like him because he was cutting NASA funding as part of his platform in 2008. I don't give a rat's ass what colour someone's skin is, or what they have between their legs - I like my space program.
quantum-mechanic ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 17:40:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course the OP won't see how their starry-eyed view for Obama being president, as an 8-year-old, is just as irrational and latent low-key racist influenced by their parents
Orphic_Thrench ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:01:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really - just the concept of "first black president" had been a huge civil rights symbol for a looong time, and one that a lot of people never thought theyd see in their lifetime.
In and of itself that's not a reason to vote for him, sure. But for the kind of people who would appreciate that symbol it's not like McCain/Palin was an option anyway.
quantum-mechanic ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 18:06:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, its latent low-key racist to assume a black person would not find something to like about McCain/Palin
Orphic_Thrench ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't even say just black people for one... I said those who would appreciate the weighty symbolism of "first black president". (Or are you suggesting only black people can appreciate that...?)
But after 8 years of Bush, culminating in economic meltdown, McCain was toeing the party line and then Palin... well, most of those people were already voting Obama anyway.
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:18:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Republican party makes 0 effort to appeal to blacks. Seriously, look it up, over 90% of black people vote Democrat (Trump currently has less than 1% of support among blacks).
quantum-mechanic ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course you can flip that the other way:
Black people make 0 effort to learn about why Republicans have the platform they do, and they all po' folk who loves the promises off free welfare that Democrats make constantly.
See how easy it is to be a casual racist? Try not doing that
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:22:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black poverty rate is 27.4% , so while higher than average that definitely doesn't account for 90%+ support.
One of the dumber comments I've read. If Republicans want their vote, then it's their job to reach out to the black community to explain their ideas, like the Democrats do (and Republicans do with THEIR constituencies, like evangelicals, whites, etc). It's obvious that Republicans aren't really seeking the black vote though.
What did I say that was casually racist?
Ninjachibi117 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think you're gonna get through to them, to be honest with you. People like that are pretty set in their beliefs.
quantum-mechanic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you don't how what you said is casually racist, that's quite clear
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's why I was asking. Are you saying that understanding that different ethnicities often have different views/interests (and therefore vote differently) is racist?
quantum-mechanic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it is
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Are statistics about different voting behavior made up? How can you even defend that position? Is it classist to say that poor people vote differently than rich people? Is it homophobic to say that gay people are more likely to vote Democrat? Is this really how you think?
quantum-mechanic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Racist and classist, yes.
Homophobic, no. That's a different type of adjective. A correct term would be "sexuality-divisionist" for lack of a simpler term.
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I repeat, are statistics about different voting behavior for different groups made up?
quantum-mechanic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:13:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are the statistics made up? Probably not
The fact that somebody goes looking for those divisions is absolutely classist etc.
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm pretty sure you're trolling I'm out
quantum-mechanic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your low key racism is clear, thank you
no-sound_somuch_fury ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:32:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As is your lack of intelligence
quantum-mechanic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:54:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're just saying that because I'm black
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:05:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not quite sure how being excited for the first black president is racist...
Edit: And by your logic, doesn't that make my entire school racist?!
quantum-mechanic ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:18:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know you aren't sure, that's quite clear
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You gonna answer my question or what? Being excited for a president is racist? How does that make any sense?
quantum-mechanic ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You gonna think about it or what? Stop quoting yourself out of context, that's a start
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, guess I'll never get a straight answer out of you. Never mind!
quantum-mechanic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just waiting for you stop the racist smirking
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay
quantum-mechanic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Racist
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ignore him, just a troll.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:03:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's jumping to race, but my mind defaulted to staunch conservatives.
LyreBirb ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 17:03:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We call these people Trump voters.
happydish ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:13:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'key GOP demographic'
hawkwings ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Trump voter who voted for Obama.
LyreBirb ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:42:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with the other guy. What the fuck are you on?
Ninjachibi117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then, noah fence, but what the fuck are you on?
hawkwings ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing. Trump also claims to be on nothing.
Gingerdyke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:16:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's where those views (usually) start, as children. I mean we don't have some vague approximations of what colours are right for president, it just wouldn't make sense. But little kid minds are malleable, you can get them to believe just about anything.
It's incredibly sad.
SnesC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Playing devil's advocate here: the kid didn't actually say anything about Obama's race. It could be that his parents frequently criticized Obama for other reasons and the kid just internalized those criticisms and concluded that Obama shouldn't be president because he thinks he would be bad at being president.
KommanderKrebs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:01:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I thought. It's silly to jump the gun and immediately think it's a race thing. A lot of Republicans didn't like his policies.
GAMEchief ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, the kid didn't say it's not right for a black person to be president. He may be parroting his parents' conservatism, not racism. People can be just as irrationally conservative as a racist can be irrational.
pedantic_cheesewheel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:43:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents are hard R. Never seen them ever treat someone of another race like anything but an equal, they said similar things just because of the D next to his name and repeat the pattern with every Democrat. Fucking Jesus could run as a Democrat and I'm pretty sure they would still vote Republican all the way down the ticket
Vkmies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never said that though?
free_wifi_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying the same thing about a woman president right now. No way our country can go from 40+ white males, to a black male, then directly to a woman. It's too much too fast and no it's not right. Vote for that giant oompah loompa instead! At least it will reset the benchmark standard and give us something tangible to hold on to.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not, but couldn't it also have been about Obama being a democrat? Like... "it just ain't right, a democrat president. Republican for life!!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about the downvotes. And you're right! I think we can all agree that he just repeated what he heard at home. But whether he heard "Fuck Obama because he's black" or "Fuck Obama, because he's a Democrat" will never be known
ApprovalNet ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:58:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shhhh..you're interrupting the circle jerk. And keep in mind the new word for criticizing the President will soon be "sexist".
YMic321 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:09:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This shit needs to stop on Reddit
Edit: lol this dude's post on ELI5 asking "Why do tech companies NEED minorities and women" is hilarious
Ninjachibi117 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did he really post that? Yikes.
ApprovalNet ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
bobbyknight1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:16:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I am sure the 8 year old fully understood the policy differences between Republicans and Democrats enough to declare it "wasn't right".
MountainDewde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Understand? Why would he need to understand?
ApprovalNet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm sure he/she was parroting their parents, we already established that. The question is why the parent would feel that way and the assumption of course was "oh - parents don't like Obama they must be racist".
OwnSlaves ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You misread her quote. The child said zero about Obama's skin color.
StaySwoleMrshmllwMan ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:18:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Context
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assumptions?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A little of both
ApprovalNet ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think it's right for Mike Tyson to be President? Why not - are you racist?
olderwiser ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:31:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't begin to imagine what it would have been like in black households, but I do remember it was a big deal for catholics when Kennedy was elected. Many said that a Roman Catholic should never be president. It was a big moment for catholics. America is at it's best at these moments.
Diiigma ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
can we take a moment and realize Obama has been in presidency for 8 years.
honestly feels like yesterday that he got elected, and I was in 2nd grade now sophomore year
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:14:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2nd grader, now a junior- I know exactly what you mean!
The current election is the first one that I'm old enough to really understand. And what a shitshow it's been... Talk about setting a good example XD
Nextmastermind ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:45:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yinz are all making me feel old, and I'm only 21!
sherlip ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:42:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
23 here. Just trying to make you no longer feel old. :)
I was in the same grade as the poster above you, except that was when Bush got elected. Holy shit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How's it going, Grandpa?
Nextmastermind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well back in my day we had cheaper cigarettes. You younginz will never know going a little less broke for tar-filled lungs.
teawreckshero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This part alone is blowing my mind. The difference between 2nd grade and highschool is MASSIVE.
SECRETLY_BEHIND_YOU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So strange. I was in High School when Obama was originally elected. No way are the kids who were 2nd graders when I was in High School now in High School themselves. 2nd grade to High School felt like an eternity for me, but these last 8 years feel so short in comparison. I honestly can't believe it's the same length of time.
teawreckshero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? I'm tempted to say it's an age thing, but I think it's more about how many memorable events you have. Speaking for myself, it seems memory is split into something like chapters, each feeling weighted equally regardless of time spent. Each grade of grade-school is a new classroom, new friends and teachers, sometimes a new building entirely, each contained more-or-less in their own chapter.
But once you leave high school, chapters come years at a time. 4 years in undergrad is that one chapter in college. Maybe a another chapter for grad school. And once you get a job, get married, have kids, buy a house, those chapters can be decades long but feel just as short as any other chapter.
Just a reminder to go try new things, I guess.
cuomo456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird how much of a difference 8 years makes when you're younger. I was a sophomore in college and now I'm just not in college.
FountainsOfFluids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, pretty amazing. Feels like only yesterday that I was 35.
sherlip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit - I was in sophomore year when Obama got elected. I voted for his reelection in my sophomore year of college. I'm old :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Obama was the only president I ever really knew. (Too young to actually remember Bush, I was in third grade when Obama was elected). I'm a junior now and in APUSH we're doing a prognostication project on the election and it's pretty crazy/scary, considering whoever is elected will massively affect our future as we enter college and adulthood.
Sirwootalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama was the first president I voted for. I'm not old! Stop it! :(
marksoutherntwain ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:04:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was about to turn 9 and I remember my fourth grade class passing out forms for your parent to sign so you weren't "forced" to watch the inauguration of the first black president . Pissed me off back then, pisses me off now. Like how can you rob your kid of history because on an agenda. Sickens me that that was even an option.
ApprovalNet ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:59:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm old as fuck but we had the same form in 1988. It's school policy because a lot of people have religious objections to political indoctrination (JW's for instance).
GeorgeAmberson63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:48:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can't have been his first term, it must have been the reelection, but I remember being excited to teach my stepson things about the world. As I was driving him to daycare I taught him that Barack Obama is the president, and that means he'll be the leader of our country for four more years. No opinions or politics, just facts about our system. When we got there he was super hyped to share has new knowledge with the teacher who promptly rolled her eyes and said "yeah, unfortunately." And went off about Healthcare Reform or something.
Bitch, this kid is 4. Tell him good job and keep your comments to yourself.
CrowleyIsCrowling ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:25:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe his parents were upset he won and not because he's black but because they disagreed on his policies and he saw them upset and became upset himself.
Maybe I have too much hope for this world, but it's better to think about it this way. I was also often upset about political stuff when I was his age because I saw my parents upset about it.
russellp1212 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:48:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love that part about your mom holding the newspaper, because as a black child as well, my grandmother was doing the same. We still have the copy, and it's incredible to see.
JaXXXuP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, was he angry because he was black or some other reason?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not entirely positive, so I can't say for sure. I do recall him saying something about race, but it's been almost a decade. I only wrote what I'm positive actually happened.
pfabs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"it's not right, he shouldn't be President."
Bring in the down votes but you are the person assuming he said that because of his skin color. My son's black and 11, when one of his friends says Hillary or Trump shouldn't be President, I don't assume it's because of her gender or his skin color.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, I have no idea where he was coming from- it could've been as innocent as repeating his parents. All I know is what he said, and how he acted around me.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama winning was a lot like the OJ verdict, black people too happy white people too mad. Obama overall was a very very middle of the road president. I can't criticize Bush/Cheney on their war crimes without also mentioning the war crime of the drone war Obama escalated.
I voted for him twice, and I feel he did a lot but was limited by the opposition, but his economics and war policies didn't really piss off people on the right the way I'd want a liberal president to piss them off.
The right calls Obama liberal.. I disagree, he's moderate.
FunQuestion ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good god. I was in my first job teaching elementary school when Obama won. You not only would have been young enough to be one of my students - you would have been one of my youngest! I'm old :(
NiobiumGoat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the Bible belt and everyone was angry because their parents were angry a Democrat got in office. My parents didn't discuss politics with me (probably for the better) so I just followed suit.
witchywater11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a kid like that, I'm pretty sure he had anger issues though. I was in middle school during that election and we had a school wide vote on who we would like to be president. I was sitting next to this kid during class when they announced the results.
When he heard that Obama won the poll, he got pissy and started kicking my leg out of anger. I hadn't even said anything to this kid either, he just started kicking me because I was the closest person and sitting next to him.
Fuck you, Cody!
theskepticalsquid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can sorta relate, I was 9 when Obama won the first election. I'm white but there's this other kid who always said how Obama was dirty and obviously just repeating his parents because he had no reason to believe that "Obama will ruin the country". He was into hunting and stuff and made a girl cry by saying he didn't believe in god.
Today, the same kid goes on reddit a lot and he always just agrees with what reddit says. Huge Bernie trend a while ago? Boy did he love Bernie. He bought 5 buttons. Huge trump trend? He bought a "make America great again" hat. Now everyone is divided? He doesn't know what he wants either. He is now a cool person but god damn I wish he could find his own opinions ):
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just though "wait, if she was 8 when Obama is elected how is she 16" then I realized that that was 8 years ago. Wtf
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama has been president for ~1/2 of my life, and only ~1/5 of my mom's life. Wild, isn't it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird though because I was 8 when Obama was elected so I should've realized you'd be 16.
coleosis1414 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So... Are we jumping to a conclusion here? Do we know the kid felt that way because his parents didn't want a black president? Did he say anything to that effect? Or maybe they just taught the kid to hate democrats?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much, yeah- all I have to go off of is what he said, and how he acted around me. However, another friend of mine, who was kind of excited, had a strained kind of feeling around her - and now that we're older, I realize her family is Republican, so I'm sure she heard something negative about Obama winning. But still- she wasn't that upset.
The way this boy acted was nothing like the way she acted. Like, I cannot accurately describe the seething anger that was coming off of this kid. It was jarring.
reddit809 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a 30 year old hispanic from NY. I voted for Obama twice. I remember when he was just "A rising star" that had become state senator in Illinois and gave the DNC speech. I remember being pretty sure that he would either be killed, or found to be too controversial to be fit for president. They'd find dirt on him at some point because growing up before you, my young friend, we just knew that there would never be a black president. Not while white people are the majority. Not after Bush/Gore. Certainly not after 9/11 and the Financial crash. What's crazy isn't that your schoolmate was racist thanks to his parents. What's crazy is that our country is full of people that grew up just as him.
bubblegumpandabear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm half black and was also eight when he was elected. I specifically remember going to school and being shocked by the pissy looks on some of my classmate's faces. They didn't really say why they didn't want him to win, just that they really didn't. I remember I asked one girl when I was standing in line and her face screwed up like she smelled something really bad and she said "I just don't like him" in a really sharp voice. I remember thinking that maybe she just didn't like black people, but (being a naive eight year old) thought that it couldn't be true because she was from the Philippines.
The excitement was real though. I'm not sure how to explain it, but I think this was around the time that I was realizing that my mom is black. I know it's a strange thing to say, but I'd just never really thought about her and everyone on her side of the family being black until my sisters had to explain the underlining issue that some people had with Obama. But both of my parents were super excited. I remember my mom telling me it was a historic moment and that I was lucky to be old enough to remember it. Obama's election was a pretty big deal for my family.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was basically my experience as well!
godOmelet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you stand on the BLM people? Do you think they are hurting or helping?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disorganized and messy. Well-meaning, but unnecessarily polarizing- the "Us vs. Them" mentality helps nobody.
godOmelet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Succinct and well put. I feel the same way. To me it is the unfortunate combination of identity politics and SJW group-think that was spawned from our uber-liberal colleges for the last 3 decades, and the chickens have come home to roost.
andsoitgoes42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard someone comment with a phrase that really stuck with me:
You can be it if you can't see it.
I think about that a lot. It may be forever before we see another black president, but black children have someone they can see as the leader of America.
Obama had some defects, but he also exhibited coolness under some pretty terrible situations, and he was open with interacting with the public, especially the younger vote.
Had you told me in 2005 or so when I was listening to Ricky Gervais' podcast that one day the leader of the United States will one day have a sit down lengthy discussion with a stand up comedian turned podcaster, I'd have thought you were crazy. But Obama did. Then he ran the YouTube circuit and then between 2 ferns.
He's the first president who has been able to be cool, funny and someone to look up to for many generations.
kurburux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was very nice to read, thank you!
jb4427 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
?
jb4427 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were 8 years old in 2008, and that makes me feel old.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We adults shared the same excitement as you kids when he first won. I was at a small election party and we had all been drinking (mid twenties). When Obama won my guy friend threw me over his shoulder and we all went running out into the street cheering. Other neighbors came outside as well and it turned into a big celebration.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right, because his parents couldn't have just been republicans who wanted the republican candidate to win, and the kid decided to copy what his dad did... which was be mad that the republican lost and the democrat won... which is pretty normal... and doesn't automatically make you racist...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's very true! All I know is what he said and how he acted around me.
xyzyxyzyx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I woke up to my mom crying hysterically while my dad assured her that she'd never be made a slave while he was alive. Dumb fucks honestly believed that not only was Obama planning to enslave all white people, he was capable of carrying this out.
I'm not a fan of his after 8 years, but at the time, I just called my aunt and asked her to talk my mom down, and come take me to school early so I could get away from the crazy. I was the only student not wearing black, but that was because I was out of the loop massively, and missed the mass texts and social media messages telling everyone to wear black in solidarity with the first black president. I might have worn black at the time, had I known.
SomalianRoadBuilder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever considered that his parents didn't want Obama to be president because they disagreed with his policies instead of because they are racists?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Like I've said to others, he might've just been repeating what he heard from his parents, that the whole thing was simply about Obama being a democrat. But something is keeping me from believing it. Maybe it's that I had friends at the time that I know came from republican families. Even they didn't act so... Disgusted. This kid's anger was on another level.
Zoltrahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was at his first inauguration. I bawled my eyes out when he took the oath. The energy in that crowd was amazing. Everyone was so happy and optimistic. He was the first president I ever voted for. I turned 18 less than two weeks before the election. I had been politically active all through highschool and it was the first time I felt that we stood a chance at making a difference or had accomplished something. Seeing him take the oath on Lincoln's Bible and then visiting the Lincoln memorial afterwards was awe inspiring. To see how far our country had come was truly incredible. It was an experience hardly anything can top.
JackHarrison1010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even across the pond in the UK (and I assume almost worldwide) the atmosphere when Obama won was amazing! He's still thought of very highly worldwide, mainly because international media reports what actually happens in the US, rather than what will make their target audience vote for who they want in power (mainly because they aren't US-based so have no interest in US politics).
Shotgun_Sentinel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My buddy got to see him right after he got elected. He came to our military base, and he said all of the black girls were reaching out and touching the presidents face like he was some type of Messiah. It weirded both of us out to say the least.
MialoKoukoutsi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is what The Onion had to say about Obama's victory:
Black Man Given Nation's Worst Job
November 4, 2008
WASHINGTONโAfrican-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation's broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, "It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can't catch a break."
MOTHERLOVR ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:01:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting, I grew up in Wisconsin, and I don't remember anyone even registering the president's racial background. Not in support or protest. Now GW Bush's religious convictions on the other hand...
_Guinness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was there in Grant Park the night he was elected. I lived downtown (still do) and that night will remain burned into my head forever. It was amazing watching his speech in real life.
It was so packed and crazy and everyone was just....happy. I'm really going to miss him as president. I have this crazy theory that he's going to end up on Mt. Rushmore one day.
Hullucinate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He only won because he was black
MooPig48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter was in elementary school. A little boy threatened to shoot all of the Chinese people because "Obama is going to give all of the jobs to China".
ApprovalNet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, imagine if Trump were to win, a lot of people would wake up saying "He shouldn't be president". That doesn't mean they're racist against whites (or orange people in Trump's case) it just means they think he's unqualified or wouldn't represent American values, like many thought about Obama. But if everybody who hates Trump isn't a racist, and everyone who hates Hillary isn't a sexist then why in the fuck did/do we pretend that everyone who hates Obama is racist...?
I know this is Reddit, so some idiot will respond "yeah ok racism is dead, whatever". If that's you, re-read what I wrote, take a deep breath and give it some thought.
Seaofechoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was he really angry that Obama won because he's black though? I remember when I was a kid and being unfairly angry when the candidate my parents didn't like got into office. I shouldn't have been that upset considering I didn't know anything about politics as a middle schooler; but what he said kinda resembled my sentiment towards the candidate.
I mean that's not to say the parents didn't tell the kid that Obama is black and going to ruin the country but I don't really see how what he said was inherently racist with the given context.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama sure did a lot for the African American community!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's quite the experience. I was the same age (but Canadian and white) so when my teacher was so enthusiastic about this historic event, I was just like, "meh".
BobbenyTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right it was weird to me to see my younger bros friend so upset when Obama became president. Ill never forget the serious look he had on his face when he said it ain't no white house anymore.
unostriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was 7 when he was elected, I remember playing a flash fighting game on Miniclip of Obama and Mccain. I also remember loving Obama cause he seemed cooler then Mccain. I'm reminded of John Mulaneys stand up bit about Bill Clinton.
Ferfrendongles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Man.. And now, to see him implicated nearly irrefutably in the whole Benghazi debacle in the newest wikileaks.. I hate that.. I wouldn't mind quite as much if it was some rando white dude, or Hillary acting alone, but I feel like the black community really needed him to be on the level, and he failed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black, white, asian, hispanic god-damnit that don't mean shit to me fuck your ethnicity
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that kind of crap is taught. 8 years old don't hate blacks on their own.
SlamDunkarooContest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a white guy who was 19 in 2008 and am a very big Obama fan. I don't have a newspaper subscription but drove to a gas station to buy a copy of the paper the morning after Obama won the Iowa primary. I still own that.
SIThereAndThere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So ur 16 now eh ?
Damn the world moves by fast
rezheisenberg2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel any better, I was also an 8 year old super pissed Obama won. Because my parents were. Because they're die hard Republicans. Can't speak for that kid, but just know race wasn't necessarily the factor involved
Kierik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Race might not be a part of this but instead his parents could be hyper partisan. My parents talked doom and gloom when Bill won the election in 92. And again in 96. After the elections is was very somber at home. So I would give his parents the benefits of the doubt unless the kid exhibited a lot of racism himself.
tribblesquared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i was in fifth grade and one kid was crying because another kid had told him that obama killed babies
AnghellicKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend (now-wife) had that same newspaper. I threw it the fuck out. And not because of racism; that's stupid in of itself (although -- calling it now, people will still claim I'm a racist simply because I didn't like his victory). I wanted to burn it, but I preferred to be subtle about it then explain smoke and ashes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So why'd you throw it away?
flnativegirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a service writer at a truck dealership at that time. One of my customers the day after the election was a black over the road truck driver in his 50s. He cried in my office.
Ragnalypse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you assume it was about his race? Aside from projection, as it would seem. I mean, you have to admit he was right to be seriously concerned, knowing what we know now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
HE WAS EIGHT. And even if it had nothing to do with race, which it very well could've, the fact that he was so pissed was crazy.
Ragnalypse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you cared about the country, what is there to be more pissed about than someone you see as a terrible leader coming to power?
Also, the fact that he's eight only makes it more understandable that he overreacted.
sk8erboi1234 ยท 639 points ยท Posted at 15:59:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend is black and I'm white and I love her to death but when we first started dating I realized she did smells different from I guess "white people" idk if that's actually a thing or not but I love her smell nown so it doesn't matter.
TrueJP ยท 754 points ยท Posted at 16:25:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Apparently, this goes both ways though. I dated a black girl for a few years and I had the same experience. We were talking about it at one point and she told me white people smell a little like wet dogs to her especially when we sweat.
Edit: I guess white people can also smell like sour milk.This is officially my top rated comment. Stay weird Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CanuckBacon ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:27:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, now go take a shower bud, I can smell you from here.
NotC9_JustHigh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I don't trust my wife when she says I don't smell. She's just used to my smell, and as a brown person I bet I smell like the spicy food I love to eat.
Funny enough, white person living in brown people diet smells different from brown person living on curry diet. I am just glad she loves biriani as much as I do.
CanuckBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people don't smell. A lot of East Asians don't. I think there's a small percentage of non- East Asians that have very little body odor. That being said, most people don't smell bad until they get really sweaty. Also sometimes other people are attracted to that sweaty smell.
Btw, I'm a half white, half Indian.
elgskred ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:11:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
But only after you kill someone, you murderer
e: oh come on, it's a reference, reddit loves references..
KornymthaFR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hnnngh
JackHarrison1010 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
References, even they won't get!
elgskred ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no one watches american dad :(
CanuckBacon ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:26:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm only half white. I notice the smells of different races really keenly. White people and black people smell very different when they sweat. Honestly I can't really stand either. Also Indian people smell different as well. I've never really smelled sweaty Hispanics so I don't know how that differs
emrythelion ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:46:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hispanics tend to smell pretty similar to white people from what I've noticed. Not exactly, but close.
I think it's more of a natural musk than just products people used; because to be totally honestly, the area with the strongest musk smell for each race seems to be from the crotch. I'm sure products can make a little bit of a difference, but overall I think people's sweat just smells difference.
Source: I'm white and have been with mainly white or mixed people, but I did have a fwb with a black guy for a while. I really wasn't a fan of the smell. It was terrible, it just didn't quite fit my fancy? I never intended him to be more than a fwb though, so if I had been more seriously interested in him I'm sure I would have gotten used to it/learned to like it.
Also, men's musk is definitely way more prevalent than women's. There's still a difference in smell between races with women, but no where near as obvious as men.
IntrinsicSurgeon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:31:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also had a black fwb and while the scent initially surprised me, I actually really liked it. Which was odd, because in general I don't care for the scent in the crotch area for any guys regardless of race, but I liked his a lot. For me, Mexican guys had the strongest scent that occasionally was off-putting.
emrythelion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's definitely something that can grow on you too. As I said in a different comment, it has almost a bittersweet smell on top of the regular musk most people have. It's not bad but I think it would take some getting used to. To be honest, at the time that saw him, I didn't really like the musky smell of guys in general, but I've really started to like it a bit now that I've been with my boyfriend for a while, haha.
Yeah, I can see that. I think Mexican guys scent basically smells like super pungent white guy scent? I think overall white guys and asian guys have the least "loud" scent, though both smell different.
In the scheme of things, it's definitely part of what you're used to; someone's scent might be slightly off-putting if you're not used to it, but if you do get used to it and you see someone of the same race/same scent, it probably wouldn't be an issue again. I think it definitely depends on the person too; some people have really really strong musks no matter how clean they are, and if it's not a scent you care for, it would be a lot tougher.
Lafftar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think maybe because you're a woman, you think women's musk is not as obvious. I can smell the ladies from like 10 feet away, god help me. I don't even understand it, but when I was in 6th grade, I knew when the girls started getting their periods, I could smell it.
What did the black guy's crotch smell like though?
Agu001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/gallery/aERLA
emrythelion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:24:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually a bi-dude haha. M
I can smell some girls pretty easily, but not as obviously as men in general? I'm not sure. I think part of it is products in that sense though. Women tend to wear a lot of perfume, and most of the guys I hang out with tend to not wear cologne so the musk is more obvious. It's definitely wayyyyy more obvious if you actually sleep with the person, and from my experience, men have a lot more musk overall. I definitely get what you're saying about girls getting their period; it can be really obvious with some of them. Not really sure why some of them have such a pungent period smell, but it can be pretty obvious, lol.
It's hard to explain the smell; think of how your balls smell after a long day, but add a pretty prominent bittersweet smell to it. That's kind of how it smelled? It was just a lot more pungent. It's actually the same smell my black female friend had when we were growing up if she got sweaty, and I've noticed it on a few friends of both sexes that are black as well. I'm assuming it's kind of a genetic racial trait because of that, but who knows. It's not a bad smell or anything, it's just way different, so unless you're used to it, I could see it being a turnoff for a one night stand or something.
rotarytiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yeah most people don't exactly enjoy smelling sweaty people.
handlebartender ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 17:11:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White guy here. Dad was white too, in case the following ends up being ambiguous to anyone.
I've noticed for some time now that when I sweat, the odor emanating from my armpits reminds me quite strongly of my dad, from those times when I was younger and would hug him. He was tall, so my nose would end up around chest height.
And now I'm missing him again....
DrMobius0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:15:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's minor genetic differences for you
newheart_restart ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:02:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asian people think we smell like old milk since they don't eat a lot of dairy.
SamuraiJakkass86 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:44:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you in PNW by chance? I'm a white guy, but I've noticed that anytime someones outside for more than 15 minutes and they come inside - they smell "like the outside" - which to me means a mixture of wet dog and tree sap.
TaMaison ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought at the last meeting we agreed not to tell the white people the truth. You must be special bruh.
RancorHi5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My black buddies sweat smells different to me.
tmpick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard it was more of a sour milk smell.
daysofsodom ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:26:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's asians.
Mitsumasa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:08:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Asian, and I think I smell more like vinegar when I get sweaty and gross.
daysofsodom ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:53:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean't thats what asians think about whites.
AverageMysticMammal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aw, we have wet dog smell? Damn. That's actually kind of hilarious. Actually I figure we smell different based on what ethnicity you ask. I wonder if smells were part of the reason for conquest and such in the ancient world.
Lafftar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think maybe just people who have dogs? I don't think you guys smell like wet dogs.
Sophrosynic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's just memory bias of a few particularly smelly white dude. I'm white and I don't notice most people's smells (white or otherwise), but there are a few white people I know that just have an incredibly overwhelming smell when they sweat. You notice the second they enter the locker room or come near you on the gym floor.
xkaradactyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm white and I notice white people smell like wet dog. I thought this was common knowledge. So common, in fact, that it's a saying around here that people coming inside from being outside for a while smell like wet dog.
totomaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard that white people smell like either wet dogs, or onions. I am an onion person.
Perky_Bellsprout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Edit le top rated comment for 500 karma lel
[deleted] ยท -44 points ยท Posted at 16:38:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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HiDeTheDeaD ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:41:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are those two things even slightly relevant?
Diametrically_Quiet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:56:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bigoted stereotypes of course.
I_Has_A_Hat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Is bigoted the right word to use? It is a stereotype but there was nothing remotely hateful in that question. Stop stirring shit up when there isn't any.
Diametrically_Quiet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, nothing remotely hateful in saying to a white man; that he has to have a big dick in order to satisfy a black woman because every black man has a big dick and that's all the black woman looks for in a man.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:46:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No correlation
resquall ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:53:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lmfaoo wtf
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well wansnt it obvious what he was about to say? /s
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:54:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Think about how dumb that is.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a very shallow way of thinking about relationships. And also no, it doesn't mean anything of the sort.
kylenigga ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:45:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
opp of that if anything
Baitdoll ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:42:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so suprised no one has mentioned that this is related to die and social habits and not race.
Obviously race plays a role, but only in relation to ethnic diets and mannerisms. Indians smells spicy because most don't believe in deodorant, they have very spicy aromatic foods with key sweat smelling foods like garlic, cumin, cloves, and onions. Then, to cover a smell they are aware of they use talcum and spiced perfume that isn't common to American perfumes. Citrus and saffrons as opposed to lavenders and lilacs.
Plus, the fucking sour milk comments, Jesus Christ. Ya'll just need to use some fucking soap. We don't naturally smell like that, its called BO.
Black people smell like cocoa butter, because they use it far more culturally. They have naturally ashy skin, and its great for that. I have the worst ashy elbows and cocoa butter is a god send. It smells good too, so I don't think black people smell bad.
It even goes down to our hair, and stuff, and what kind of shampoos and soaps are better for certain cultural norms.
mariomakerthrowaway ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that I think about it, my first girlfriend I had was black and her hair always had a distinct, unique smell to it. Not sure if it was a hair product she was using or something biological - I never really got around to asking.
I always loved to sniff her hair when we were hugging, though lol
princess_programmer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:36:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my boyfriend is black (I'm white) and I've noticed that about his hair as well. I think it's biological, he rarely puts products in his hair.
FakeBabyAlpaca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I dated a Puerto Rican man for a while and I thought his sweat smelled like cozy warm cinnamon rolls...and I just got pregnant and I knew it first from my smell that turned into the aura of a musky dank barnyard...so sweat smells bad unless you're Puerto Rican and doubly so if you're a pregnant white lady...
This whole conversation is dumb. Everyone smells, hence showers, deodorant and perfumes for all people.
saxybandgeek1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:01:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dated a black guy in high school and he definitely smelled different. I don't really have much more experience other than that though
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Black people have stronger or more sweat glands, it was in an Askscience thread.
It's not that their bad, but it is definitely different if you're not accustomed to it.
sk8erboi1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably why I love her smell now
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dated a Persian girl for a while, she definitely smelt different and every time I catch that scent I miss her.
I feel ya
Pomagranite16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm super into east asian guys, but they have like...no B.O. when they sweat. It actually makes me super self conscious.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's scientific :D.
Whatever gives people of Asian descent dry earwax also makes them have what appears to be no BO.
Love it :D
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's almost like we look different too
hwarming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They do smell different. Not a bad different, just different, latinas and Asian girls smell different too
whathedoesntknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is so crazy weird to me! I've been dating my boyfriend who is black (I'm white) for over a year. We even live together and I've never noticed a smell! Granted he's often too lazy to restock his own products so we use a lot of the same hygiene products. He's also balding so special shampoos aren't really necessary. I've still never noticed a strange smell from him or any of his family. I don't think I noticed anything when I was the minority in a multi-roommate situation either! (Except that too many people were awful at doing dishes. Those definitely smelled weird.)
Maybe I've got a weak sniffer. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's the melanin. It is very distinct.Being i confused the two, the deal was apocrine is greater in black populations which causes more smells from sweat. Got it mixed with melanin, sorry for the misinfo
TheThinkerYT ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This smells like BS
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with special needs individuals. One boy was primarily echolalic, and would repeat things he'd heard multiple times. One night he told myself and my coworker that all the "dirty niggers gotta go back to being slaves cause they're so stupid". So that was fun. We knew his parents had been extremely abusive, but that was when we learned they were racist too.
DROCITY ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sucks, my little sister came home from being with our cousing and she said
-Brother, do you wanna know what a sand monkey is?
-Yea sure, what is it?
-A muslim!
Made me so sad, she has so many muslim friends but still thinks thats okay to say.. I dont shink she does it anymore though
ChurroBandit ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
better than "sand niggers". I have a friend who's really nice, and he assures me that he only uses that term to describe arab-looking people who specifically piss him off. Not the nice ones he's friends with (which, to be fair, there were several of). So he's not racist, because he only uses those terms on individuals.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:44:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I means, kind of makes sense when you look at what racism actually is.
Pure-Vinyl ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:37:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's so weird
_TheHalfTruth_ ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 15:51:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And smelly
fostie33 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:30:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And skin
AminoJack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad I can't smell.
Bahamute ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. It's a documented scientific fact. People from different races smell different.
Pure-Vinyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you and all these kids have smelled Obama right
Bahamute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but I know that black people tend to have a different smell to them.
Pure-Vinyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True
Probably_Stoned ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:59:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the lotion!
TrashyTeeVee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... in the basket...
timesuck897 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's shea butter.
GooseVersusRobot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well he is a lizardman
hydrospanner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was waiting for a comment about scales.
drunk_reddit_acount ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:17:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why the edit ?
uhhhhhhhhh_okay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in 4th grade when it was Obama vs McCain.
The other students told me that Obama will make all the white people slaves if he gets elected.
datmamathere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:35:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid, my grandmother was bedridden by a stroke and couldn't walk or talk. She had a sitter named Irene, a black lady who changed my life. My dad was a pretty good dad, but one of those southern racists that just seemed to not know better. I stayed most days with Irene or her daughter Vera at my grandparents house, and they in a literal sense, taught me how to be a good person. I ended up spending most of my time with their family since mine had abuse problems, and they just took me in. To this day Vera is now my best friend. When I hear stories like yours it bothers me to the bottom of my heart. I'm so sorry for that insulting comment.
Say_Jesus_Backwards ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:40:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who lives in the South, I had no clue how widespread racism actually was until I did some volunteer work at an elementary school (I'm in high school, needed the service hours to graduate, not some weird creep). This little black girl sits next to a white girl and the white girl said, "you can't sit here, my parents said I'm not allowed to talk to black people." And the little black girl started to cry. Then the white girls friend turned to her and said "You can't say that to her face!"
I told some teacher about it and I'm not sure if anything about it happened, but that truly was the moment that I realized that racism is very much alive. Until that point I thought that most people that complained about racism were just whining and that the only racists were the hillbillies that never really interacted with many people anyways. At least in my state.
oxford_llama_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:48:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The people that assume women and people of color are simply whining about nothing intrigue me. Like it's sad that they are so unaware of what those groups face, but in addition, they can be so adamant that those groups don't face discrimination despite never having to experience what they've been through.
Say_Jesus_Backwards ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:54:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This entire time I've understood that the way the world works favors white men, and I've always understood that a black person is going to have to work twice as hard to get to the same place as a white person, but I never really believed that there were people walking around calling black people the n word to their face and telling them to go back to Africa. I knew that those people existed, I just didn't believe it was as widespread as people made it out to be. I think it's mostly because I simply don't associate with the hill jacks, I live in the south, but north enough that most people living in the city don't have strong accents or confederate boners. The people 20 minutes outside of the city are absolutely racist, but in school you really don't see all that much racism, aside from "KKK" or the occasional n word etched into the bathroom stall.
ingridelena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sometimes it's willfull ignorance also.
RagingFuckalot ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:40:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's disgusting
Ba_dongo ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:00:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Careful with that edge son. Grow up.
RagingFuckalot ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:01:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omgz soo 3dgy 2 b againzt racism lulzz
Ba_dongo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So edgy
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a retard in 2016 LUL
Lux_cs ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 15:59:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do libs always say "disgusting?" There are other words to use.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:05:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Is it wrong to notice that people smell different? does the melanin that makes people black not smell different than asians? how about middle easterners or nordic area persons?All skin colors smell different and melanin is a VERY distinct smell.Being i confused the two, the deal was apocrine is greater in black populations which causes more smells from sweat. Got it mixed with melanin, sorry for the misinfo
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, diet has alot to do with it; but, why didn't i smell like that when i was younger then? my black friends said i smelled, faintly, like milk and they couln't smell eachother. We ate all the same foods and everything.
salavis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:01:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, just libs huh?
RagingFuckalot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:02:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does the word disgusting bother you so much and which words would you prefer 'libs' to use?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RagingFuckalot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What?
jihiggs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats not an attack...
elkoubi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife used run a school. Her kids would often say that people "only voted for Obama because he was black." Gotta love Dixie. Here come the "only because she was a woman" comments.
oxford_llama_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I've heard them all. They are a bit ironic tbh.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please don't assume the child is always repeating hatefulness from a parent. They hear and parrot stuff from other sources, including other children. I had an incident where my (admittedly autistic) child who I have raised to be polite and respectful meltdown on his black paraprofession, start hitting her, and calling her a stupid b****. It broke my heart. I was so mortified, ashamed, and embarrassed. The lady still looks at me like I'm...the world's worst parent raising a hateful, violent person.
Long story short, he was repeating a meltdown he witnessed at his behavioral therapy (bcs). There was a particularly violent child who was usually in isolation. It happened around lunch. And my son repeated the behavior under duress. I'll still never live it down... But I know that I didn't teach him that.
Firemanz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of insult is that towards black people? Like.... I understand if people think skin color means anything.. But black skin smells weird? Wth
HaroldLott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man but every Indian person I've ever been around has smelled funny
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does "Smelly weird skin" translate into in adult? Obviously it's something to do with Obama being black and that being apparently a bad thing to them but I don't quite get the "smelly weird" part.
LaVidaYokel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously referring to the stench of demonic sulfur
Zlatanesque ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Smelly weird skin" sound extremely similar to this Alex Jones claim. Watch this.
AstarteHilzarie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a person who moved to the south when I was a kid I'm still baffled by some of the weird quirks of racism here. Like the smelly weird skin thing. What? Do they mean..... black peoples' actual skin? Because everyone's skin smells, and I guess it's all weird how it moves and grows hair and stuff? Or are they just absolutely grossed out by cocoa butter, but totally cool with whatever flower of the week body lotion they bought at bath and body works or Axe body spay?
That being said, having a racist ass "Southern girl" mother in law has put me into a few of these awkward situations, like having the Hispanic teacher inform me that the child believes "you can't trust the Mexicans." Mortifying. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I swear we're not bigoted assholes at home, it's just his grandmother. .....
orlanderlv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, but you need to be careful about where you say you are from. I'm from Memphis, as southern as they come, and you would not have had the same issues there. Not everywhere is the same in the South.
violettheory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, when I was a child I thought all black people smelled weird because I only knew one black family whose daughter was one of my preschool friends, and they must have all used the same weird lotion or hair products.
I've met a few more black people who smell similar but it's certainly not been a universal truth. If I was that young when Obama was campaigning I probably would have believed whoever said that.
GOBLIN_GHOST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't a black thing, it was a lizard thing.
And they may not have been repeating their parents. My parents are both super PC, but in kindergarten I got in trouble for telling a kid named Jamal that the reason no one would play with him was that he was black. The reason I said that is that he was both black and stinky, but I hadn't encountered many black kids so I just assumed that the two things went hand in hand. It was really awkward for my mom because she taught across the hall, so my teacher ran out of the class to tell her what I had just said.
Wholly_Crap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't see that twist coming.
EliteNub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in 5th grade when Obama was running for his first term and my class had a mock election. I was the only person in my class who voted for Obama, everyone told me that a black person couldn't be president, I live in New York...
allsortsashit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May not be racist parents. My parents didn't teach me hatred as a kid but when I moved to a different town and hung out with black students, the first thing I mentioned was their different smell. Just an honest kid observation. "Weird" doesn't necessarily mean bad; just different.
Hashtaglibertarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My husband and I never talk about race - so my son grew up without any racist bias. We just want him to see people as people and not a color. My kid used to happily call black people shadows. I don't know why or how he learned that - except that he would get excited to find "shadows" in the store.
Now he's in first grade and he sits next to the cutest little black girl - she has pigtails all the time and glasses - seriously adorable. He loves to come home and tell me how she has such beautiful dark skin but that we can't ever have the same color skin because we're born with our skin. I love seeing him process this new information every day. He's just observing new things and he's genuinely into learning about why people are born different.
I feel bad for children that are taught prejudice from such an early age. They'll grow up without the ability to accept others and new people which will truly limit their experiences in life.
Sub116610 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember my father getting a bit furious at me when I was in first or second grade. We had this Indian (red dot) teacher and I said I didn't like her because she smelled really bad. Oh boy did he go off.. Blah blah rude mean don't say things like that, what a fucking pussy.
Nice lady and all, I'd love to see her again, but holy shit she really did smell bad.
bottabot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi Sub116610:
Could you clarify your comments on /r/altright on "You guys need to read Pat Buchanon's "Death of the West"" where you said
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Sub116610 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Meaning; every single thing I posted here could not be perceived as racist because none of it has been. I linked to a book about western civilization and how the library wanted nothing to do with any past presidential candidate's books.
No racism, no sexism, nothing of whatever the hell you look for. Do a background check on me, IDGAF. I'm not some crazy militant, I just want people to read and be aware about western civilization. Nothing about race you fucking bot
Edit: why are you posting this here "bot"? Did you find something people could relate to that was harmless and somehow weakly try to associate it with a group of people you want to be perceived as nut jobs? Fuck you, you spineless "bot".
And, since I know you're not a "bot" but a real person... I wish you no harm no matter what race, creed, class, etc. you are. Let's all live our lives in peace and harmony. There's no need for any extremism. Absolute idiotic pieces of shit will think that (some sort of extremism/act/terrorism) will be beneficial to further whatever cause they're sickly indoctrinated with.
Super_Cyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite thing about Obama's presidency is the people that try to find all of these ways he's actually in a secret organization or that he's actually not a US citizen, because they just can't come out and say they hate him, because he's black.
kcall123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom's a racist and a bit of a homophobe and I definitely remember repeating some of the things she would say in school. As I got older I distanced myself from her for different reasons and realized that a lot of the stuff she would say (especially when drunk) were really fucked up. I'm from a predominantly white town in MA (the same area she grew up in) but lived in the south for the second part of my childhood.
I'm sure people have called her out on her racism before but I don't think she realizes that she's a racist. She honestly thinks that none of the things she says would offend other people. Obviously when she's called out she will deny it to the very end.
Also from being a liberal in conservative family and living in the south, I see way too much casual racism that these people will never see how fucked that is
Fuqwon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it is pretty weird to naturally smell of cherry blossoms and fresh baked cookies.
LeodFitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! That sounds like a really, really awkward conversation! I get that you didn't do it in an accusing way, but holy crap, I kind of wish I had pictures of their faces during those conversations!
Empigee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother, a decade or two ago, was a Teacher's Aide at the inner city (Philadelphia) parochial elementary school I attended, helping out with a Pre-First Grade class (basically advanced Kindergarten. She would hear a number of 5 or 6 year old kids repeating the most racist jokes that you just knew they heard from their parents.
ender___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always said, my children are a reflection of me, a good amount of the good and bad things they do, are learned from me and their mom.
Anti-Marxist- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why were the parents shocked? Individuals are allowed to have personal preference on what they think is ugly.
TimeTravelingGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a redneck kid on my school bus that said Obama already lost the US money. This was when he was just barely announced he won the election.
Jmcplaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"They fuck you up Your Mum and Dad They may not mean too But they do They give you all the faults they had And add some extra, just for you" - Larkin
whogivesashirtdotca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That seems to stretch back a ways. Thomas Jefferson wrote some sort of weird treatise on the difference between blacks and whites, and included this charming passage:
They secrete less by the kidneys, and more by the glands of the skin, which gives them a very strong and disagreeable odour.
(As if the slaves of Monticello were lounging about all day and neglecting countless opportunities to use the master's bathtub.)
DatPig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
someone's probably already explained this to you, but there's a crazy conservative conspiracy theory that obama and hillary clinton both smell like sulphur because they're demons. i don't think kids are saying that because of your race, their parents are probably just alex jones fans.
Bahamute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair though, there is some truth to that. People of different races have a different smelling natural musk.
IntrinsicSurgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like even racists would say something more adult than "smelly weird skin". So it's like they're intentionally dumbing it down so the kids will understand. That's so fucked up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmfao yes this is a strange website please join us
IRPancake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean 1 child heard it from their parents (or literally anywhere else) and started a playground rumor.
It boggles my mind when adults act like they never were children, yet here we are circlejerking the mentality that every individual parent of each child that made those remarks are racist pigs. I thought becoming an educator entailed having a shred of basic human psychology involved.
SpatialJoinz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
''website"
LookingforBruceLee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sulfur smell isn't because he's black./s
j_freakin_d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When Obama was running for reelection my daughter's school had a mock election. She was in K and had a bit of a speech problem. I asked her who she voted for and she said, "the darky". I asked her what she said and she repeated "the darky". I said "what!". And then she said, "not the elephant, the darky." And then I realized she was trying to say the donkey.
dorisfrench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is Reddit bitch!
dquizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No offense here, but why did the kids think Obama has weird skin and not you if you're (I'm assuming) more black than he is?
TheBurningBeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My FiL spent his early childhood super poor in rural AR. One of my wife's aunts is getting pretty senile and one time she was talking about how "black people have a smell". Granted, the only black people they knew were poorer than they were and likely didn't have indoor plumbing, which us what my FiL and his other siblings responded with.
Stegasaurus_Wrecks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your edit is brilliant. You should be a diplomat.
im_busy_right_now ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are white Canadians. When Obama won in 2008, my three and a half year old son heard the news on the radio and burst into tears. I asked why he was sad. He said that he had missed the election and didn't get to vote for him. We did some explaining.
MyriadMuse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Real talk though. I've noticed lots of black people smell different than white people but it may just have to do with the type of lotions they use or maybe everyone has a unique smell. Who knows. Just something I've noticed.
HiltonSouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oxford mississippi?
38thdegreecentipede ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Should have told them that was his lotion so he dont get ashy
susinpgh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have anything to apologize for. Racism is a reality for all the brown peoples. And all the shades of woman.
Sam474 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a white parent with a black child in the south is a real trip too, especially since Obama won and the racism really came out. The number of people who say something racist to me and then meet my kid and backpedal themselves into an even worse position is just nuts. Even a few family members.
oxford_llama_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked with so many mixed race families and I get upset at the racism that is thrown from both sides.
Delta2800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to apologize for the bakwards nature of the south. However, I think that because of teachers like you. Teachers who stand up for what is right. The adults of tomorrow and the 20 somethings of today are far more progressive and accepting than many of their parents.
I find it rare among my generation to voice racist, homophobic, etc. thoughts. Those that do are more or less ostracized for it because it just isn't cool. The more people you hate the fewer friends you have.
ingridelena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really a shame you have to post that disclaimer and walk on eggshells when it comes to race topics around here.
peachesinanappletree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teachers like you are the best way to fight hand-me-down racism. I remember in first grade I made a comment about a black classmate to my friends (she was the first person of color my age I had ever really met) along the lines of "We shouldn't talk to her. She's black." My first grade teacher overheard and took me aside, asked me why I thought that way. The answer was that is how my parents taught me. She then gave a very calm, explanation of how it wasn't nice to treat people differently even if they looked different.
That conversation literally changed my life and I remember that day with such vividness and shame twenty years later.
Keep doing good work. There's a lot of people you can help.
teawreckshero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry you had to explain yourself in the edit =/
skilliard7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, it really is different here in the north. Back in '12 when I was in highschool, some girl got assaulted by a few guys because she said she supported Romney. They accused her of being a racist because she didn't support Obama. This is a school that was mostly minorities.
I can't imagine how bad anyone that supports Trump would have it. Romney was just a republican, Trump actually says things that can be interpreted as intolerant.
datmamathere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once my kid told his teacher that I "run from the police all the time." When she asked me about it, looking like she was about to bolt- I had to explain my husband was a training officer and I helped out by being the "bad driver" coming through on new officers on occasion in a slow night to see how they would react, complete with cameras a permission to run...
Bruh_Man_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe one kid said it because kids say the darnedest things and others repeated it because kids say the darnedest things and not everyone is racist?
ifightbears ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not everyone is racist. But some people are.
Bruh_Man_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That's deep, bruh.
thisismeER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking fuck.
StromboliOctopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On TV, Obama has a very nice complexion. I don't know how he smells, but in my experience professional black guys usually smell pretty good.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A_Bottle_Of_Charades ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I was a pro black guy, not just some rookie biatch
shadeofmyheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok to be fair my kid says weird shit all the time. It's a strange mix of the NPR kids shows I let her watch and what she picks up from school and us. Sometimes they are like parrots, but sometimes the stuff they are parroting comes from 2 or 3 sources at once.
backdoor_nobaby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you knew exactly what those kids were talking about.
LuvBeer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't find the smell of black people unpleasant, but are you going to deny that black people and white people have different odors? For diversity to work we have to be honest, not pretend that everyone is equal in every way.
Bahamute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are your thoughts on differences in intelligence between races?
ProfTrippinBalls ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think people in the US said "black" I thoguht they always said "African American"? Is that true or are you allowed to say "black" because you're black? I ask because in the UK you'd just say "black". We don't have the whole "African American" thing. If I ever go to the US would be a major faux pas to say black instead of African American? Can't imagine a situation where I'd have to say but its worth me checking.
TheJsquirrel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:51:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one says African American unless it is a formal setting
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:16:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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doom32x ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, most blacks in this country aren't any more African than I am German or English. Now Barack Obama may actually be African American...I mean, his Dad was African.
_bitchola_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well of course you don't have the whole "african american" thing in the UK.... you're not "american." In the US we use this for all other minorities as well, like mexican american, asian american, etc. For the most part though, people just say black, mexican, hispanic, asian, middle eastern, etc
Wombatapult ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally nobody worth talking to gives half a shit if you call a black person black.
Idk where you even got the idea that it's a thing.
ProfTrippinBalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing American TV. Everyone always seems to say African American. Maybe its a news thing? I dunno.
Wombatapult ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it must be, because nobody in real life has a problem with calling black people black.
bearssyy ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since all of the top posts are either "not a teacher" or "not elementary" I guess I will actually provide my own input on this one.
I teach 5th grade in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood. My kids are very traumatized by the racism running rampant in the Trump campaign. They talk daily about their concerns over the wall and how Trump wants to kick them and their families out of the country. We have a morning circle every morning where we share different things. 9 times out of 10 Trump is brought up in some way. The questions are simple, normal childlike things like "If you had three wishes from a genie, what would they be?" and these 10 year olds are wishing that Trump will not win. When I was 10 the first thing on my mind was getting a puppy, and it just breaks my heart that they don't have the luxury of that kind of childhood.
TrumpVictory ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 02:37:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you tell them only people in illegally aren't welcome? Just seems like misguided worries.
H_Floyd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:53:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigrants and any brown people who speak Spanish will be lumped into the same category. They will be viewed with distrust and suspicion until their citizenship can be verified.
And even then, the distrust and suspicion will remain, just more guarded.
TrumpVictory ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doubtful
H_Floyd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:47:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's already happening. These are the kind of people you support when you support Trump. This is the kind of language you believe in when you support Trump. These people aren't just your brothers and sisters; these people are you.
Vinnys_Magic_Grits ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:12:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't bother. He doesn't give a shit.
TrumpVictory ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:31:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really lol
bearssyy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:40:13 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think that all illegal immigrants have no children in this country?
TrumpVictory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:54:28 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't legal either. Otherwise it would incentivize anchor babies.
bearssyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:02 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? Any person born in the United States is a citizen. They are 100% legal.
TrumpVictory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:05 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you want to separate families?
bearssyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:32 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, because that is exactly what I said in that comment.
TrumpVictory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:31 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the parents are illegal and have to leave, they should be able to keep their family together.
bearssyy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:44 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow okay you have used both a red herring and a begging the question fallacy within 3 minutes so this is my time to exit. No point in even trying. Have a nice night.
TrumpVictory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:28:46 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its too bad you want more orphans. If the illegal parents are gone, I don't think the kids should just be left alone to fend for themselves.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:52:12 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TrumpVictory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:56:46 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump doesn't want to separate families. you may have reading comprehension issues.
Fokken_Prawns_ ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 16:01:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach social studies in Denmark, or more correctly I'm a student teacher in social studies.
Trump is a meme generator and teenagers love dank memes.
That being said I'm covering the election in a couple of weeks and would love some inspiration on how to cover the media bias aspect of it?
Scrotobomb ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 16:36:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe finding coverage from 2 contrasting sources on the same event and examine how word choices and diction frame the events. Once they've seen a couple examples, have them try to spin an article themselves and see if they can change the perspective to the opposite.
Example: Original headline: Local Campus Provides Free Healthcare and Medicine to Students Spun headline: Local College Allegedly Using Donor Funding for Condoms and Methamphetamine Ingredients
You may want to cover libel and slander, too.
pickwickian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It might be interesting to use it as an opportunity to talk about "the fourth estate." What is its informal function? Is it serving that function in the current election? Why or why not? Source: not a teacher but work at an American civics museum.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please be my teacher. Memes FeelsGoodMan
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.allsides.com :)
jsmoo68 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also might be interesting to look at the financial aspect of the US media, specifically profits generated by covering one candidate versus another.
AndVelmaToo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also would talk about wiki leaks, which people seem to assume is unbiased, but is not. Assange really doesn't want Hillary to win because she has spoken out about him being extradited back to Sweden to face that rape charge. People act like he's Snowden, but he's not. But yeah, contrasting media views, both legit (NY Times vs. Wall St. Journal) and less legit, is a good way to go. How Trump basically became the nominee because he kept saying stuff that was clickbaitey. Also the interpretation of the media bias by Trump and his supporters is interesting, like how they threatened press at a really recently. Or how they covered Sanders and Clinton very differently.
PiLord314 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion there is media bias for sure, but a healthy news diet consists of consuming a variety of data for more accurate results.
What I notice is that there is a few particular news stations ehem fox who a large part of their coverage is casing doubt upon other news that didn't agree with them.
Personal opinions aside, maybe a lesson would be writing up a variety of different heavily biased versions of a story (like a common folktale such as goldy locks and the three bears) and give them first only one or two versions and ask them to write an analysis about each of the characters.
Then divide them up and ask them to trade story versions and collaborate on an opinion.
BrobearBerbil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mediactive is a really good, free book online that's about developing your own guidelines of what news to trust and standards around it. Smart book but chapters of it would work well for students.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pardon me if you are already party to this, but I just want to make sure you know that there is a difference between memes and dank memes. I won't explain it, just google it but be aware - don't embarrass yourself in front of the keeds.
AMA_ABOUT_DAN_JUICE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice meme.
XenoFractal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch some CNN and then watch Fox News cover the same thing. Rinse and repeat, you'll catch on
-Shirley- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:11:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
You could explain it this way:
Who owns the media (Important is also how you find that out!), examples of propaganda , and if you can find it, show how an independent media covers events
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have your kids make a dank meme on a serious topic
Fokken_Prawns_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not actually a bad idea, it would be light way to approach a serious topic. Plus it's something that they know of. I might be down for that as a fun topic ending exercise.
SithLord13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I recommend abstracting it a bit? Go historical. It's very hard to teach bias without teaching bias when it's something that will impact people (even if that impact is abstract for your students). Try making headlines about something older. For example make a headline from a British paper and an American paper about the American Revolution.
_kinglouis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:24:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
find 5 major american media sites and tell the students to find how many pro trump articles are on the front page vs anti trump articles.
[deleted] ยท 316 points ยท Posted at 15:50:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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aeiouicup ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:56:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to hear those convos. There should be a 'shitkidssay' subreddit
sparrow5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might like r/thingsmykidsaid.
DerAufseher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that's before the latest news came out... Damn
ZDTreefur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He has become a....is that an adverb? I'm not smarted right in English.
GenericMan92 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:05:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still a noun, just a noun with a negative/alternate connotation... like Santorum.
Yes_I_Fuck_Foxes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:54:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea the man existed at first having heard Santorum's other definition originally. I thought it was bizarre how anyone could be successful in politics with a name like that.
waldron76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's become a common noun.
yomama629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that kid were a Trump his structure would have stood ten feet higher than the rest
energyjoules ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 16:45:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher, but I work with middle school children (I am interning with a speech pathologist). One of my kids in 7th grade is Muslim, and he says that if Trump gets elected, he's going to get kicked out of the country because Trump is a "big fat meanie". He also says that Trump needs to come to speech class so that he can learn how not to interrupt people and work on his social/language skills.
bgeller ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:36:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, are you willing to teach Trump social/language skills?
energyjoules ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:00:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sad part is that most of my kids are far better behaved than he will ever be. And I'm seeing them for social and language issues secondary to autism to give you some perspective. We showed them footage of the first debate from a student friendly website, and they all said that it was cringe worthy.
Synergythepariah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would watch that.
17Hongo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he's pretty much got the measure of him.
pfunny ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 16:46:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little cousin told me that trump wants to ban tacos
p0537 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:49:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can build the wall. You can send back immigrants. But banning tacos? Now you've crossed the line.
Thameus ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:01:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is on record as being in favor of grabbing tacos.
CptNoble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Trump Tower has the best taco bowls, believe me. People are saying it.
[deleted] ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 16:14:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a white male teaching kindergarten in an elementary school with close to 100% African American enrollment. A student recently touched my hair and my skin and told me I was white. I said "yes I am". She replied with," I don't like white people" Upon asking her why she told me because Donald trump said all black people Should go back to Africa. I asked her if she didn't like me. She shrugged and gave me a face as if saying she made a bit of a generalization. I hope she learned at least something from the conversation.
goddamit_zebras ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 17:14:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could have added with a big smile, "I want you to know that I like you." She's just a little kid and probably feels kind of threatened by Trump and wasn't quite sure what to make of you!
mjmannella ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 00:25:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that's not what Trump wants.
Trump wants Mexicans illegally entering America back in Mexico until they can enter legally. That is all.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please read this. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/us/politics/donald-trump-black-voters.html
And this. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html
mjmannella ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:10:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None if which say he wants black people out of America.
goddamit_zebras ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but she's a small fucking child and clearly might not fully understand what he wants. She just knows that he hates people and I imagine at 5 that's kind of terrifying. At 32 I think he is scary.
mjmannella ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:32:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate some people too, does that make me scary?
goddamit_zebras ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:52:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't give a fuck about you.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that hating people doesn't make you scary.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hating people and being a mouthpiece that encourages other people to hate who you hate does make a person scary. When he's promoting violence and all but committing treason in the legal definition of the term, Trump is not someone that belongs in a leadership role for this country.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean defending the second amendment?
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did I say 'defending the second amendment'? No. I'm talking about his rallies, where he was encouraging violence. You can deny all you'd like that it happened, but I don't go in for that 1984 kind of bullshit.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not a terrorist. He isn't telling people to shoot each other willy-nilly. I recall him wanting to punch someone before, but are we really going to let ourselves get consumed by that, rather then say, Hilary Clintion perplexed as to why Jullian Assange can't just be droned.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:04 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, I think you need to stop reading things that aren't there, in my responses to you. This will be my last one, anyway. But just so you can see it more clearly?
I did not call Trump a terrorist.
I wasn't talking at all about Hillary, that's a separate matter. I think it's beyond ridiculous at this point, that when someone mentions one of Trump's very blatant shortcomings, the response from Trump-supporters and Trump himself is "WELL, LOOK AT WHAT HILLARY DID."
I. Don't. Care.
I didn't say she was some kind of almighty angel, did I? This entire discussion had nothing to do with her, though.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:59 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you should care, because you're naive if you don't. Best to look at both sides before making a decision.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:25 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
... I said I wasn't going to reply, but I am. There's no polite way to tell you to shut the hell up, so I'll just tell you to shut the hell up. You have no concept of anything real, you live in conclusions.
Kapjak ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't she hate orange people then?
tweakdeveloper ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:14:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
exhales
Roasty_Mytosis ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:32:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sniffs audibly
amsterdam_pro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who came up with this meme?
theivoryserf ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:55:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's not a huge extrapolation. I'm sure he wouldn't mind if it happened.
nxqv ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:03:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I love the Blacks!"
Reed_Solomon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:43:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump never said that though.
Spudgun888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that big a leap though, is it?
Reed_Solomon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so.
fielderwielder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did Trump say black people should go back to Africa? Wouldn't surprise me in the least of course but I don't remember it.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:59:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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skilliard7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
probably got it from her parents
MrPrepper2U ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should probably leave unless you want to get killed.
VervDervGerv ยท -45 points ยท Posted at 17:50:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They need to deport racist black people.
EDIT: I like how i get downvoted for being (ANTI RACIST) ... reddit is the most racist pleace ever lmao.
newheart_restart ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:14:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deport them to where?
yomama629 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:56:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liberia
OublietteInTete ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:54:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why only racist black people? Also, where would you send them?
VervDervGerv ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 19:23:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because the OP was talking about that black girl and how she hates white people. (that is racist) and I would send them to russia in an ideal world. See if they can get away with that sort of liberal cucktavism over there.
OublietteInTete ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:30:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see. What about racist whites and racist Asians? I suppose sending racist whites to a predominantly black nation would be best by your logic, but I wonder where we should deport racist Asians to?
FoxSanjuro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's saying, send all racists to places where the majority is the race they hate. Kind of hold hands until you get along sorta parental policy. I think it's elegant. Lol
VervDervGerv ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wells its either hold hands till you get along or get some sense knocked into you. Sorta thing. Not that i support child abuse... I support adult abuse tho. lol.
VervDervGerv ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Send racist whites to a ghetto or a black country. And well tbf racist Asians do not really exist. But if an Asian is racist just send them to a community they are racist against. (which will not tolerate their bigotry)
lord_allonymous ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:15:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we should deport racist white people. Let's see Trumps poll numbers after that.
VervDervGerv ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 18:38:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Errrm? What...no one was talking about racist white people lmao.
Beegrene ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:09:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, we are talking about you.
VervDervGerv ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SO...I am racist...for wanting to deport racists. You fucking retard.
senseofcents ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 17:25:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother-in-law is a special needs teacher at an elementary school in Ohio with a very diverse student body -- lots of immigrants from all over the world. She had one student (age 8-9) who's Muslim tell her that he was worried that Donald Trump was going to make him leave the U.S. because people kept saying Trump was an "erase-us" (actual term=racist). Kids sometimes don't realize how poignant they can be.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:05:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the long term, Donald being racist or erase-us will soon be the same thing.
merricat-blackwood ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:31:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Recently heard a kid say she doesn't like Trump because he steals cats It took me a minute
nice_memexD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened?
MrsArrum ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I was in a pediatric clinical as a elementary school nurse two weeks ago. A little girl who happens to be a Muslim of African descent grabs my hand and asks who I am voting for. I did not want to get in trouble for influencing the politics of a child so I ask her who she thinks I should vote for. She said "you need to vote for Hillary Clinton because Trump is a racist who does not want me in our country."
bahhamburger ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 20:51:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can only imagine how scary and confusing it is for a kid to see adults clamoring for her and her family to be forced out of the country. You grow up thinking that you are safe as long as you are with your parents. You grow up thinking there are rules that prevent bad things from happening. And then the election rolls around and you get a glimpse behind that curtain that your parents are also scared and some of the bad people are also the people who are making the rules and they don't care if you're safe at all.
somanydimensions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awwww poor little thing, that breaks my heart!
CaptainObivous ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I hope you did the right thing and eased her fears and told her that because she is a citizen she has nothing to fear from the bad man.
cyangekko ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 21:32:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
P0sitive_Outlook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Start as you mean to go on?
TheRealCHeet ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:04:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boy told a girl on the playground "When Trump becomes president your parents will be taken back to Mexico and you will never see them again"
ToroZuzuX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:19:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was the girl even Mexican?
TheRealCHeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
ToroZuzuX ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit that's awful. I don't hate kids but I'd probably smack the shit out of that little boy.
tatlungt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:14:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah beating the kids will show them how to be nice to others.
TheRealCHeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Survival of the fittest. Isn't that what we teach?
ToroZuzuX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:37:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never said it would solve anything If I did, but just that I would probably do it if I met him. Although that's a bit of a hyperbole itself. I'd probably just cuss him out or something.
Samcc42 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 22:02:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian elementary teacher here (grade 6/7 - elementary is k-7 in my district). Trump is now a part of everything my kids do.
They use him in examples in spelling lessons - "Terrified, T-E-R-R-I-F-I-E-D. Terrified. My family is terrified of the possibility of Trump winning the election."
One fairly religious student recently pointed out his hypocrisy in running as a conservative (she couldn't remember the name of the party) when he has so many children by so many women. Another used him as an example of how we don't treat others (cited the Rosie O'Donnell thing). This all came out in a discussion about how we treat others and living by your principles.
I do a twisted fairy tale assignment, in which students are asked to take an established fairy tale, and twist the ending, change the perspective or add characters to change the overall meaning. I have 2 examples from this.
One kid wrote a variation on Hansel and Gretel called Pedro and Maria about 2 kids (American citizens - Mexican grandparents, she stressed) from a low income household who are promised wealth by an orange man living in a gold house. Short version: he locks them up in the basement, they die there, and are forgotten.
Another student worked with Rapunzel. The trump character is the witch here too. He cuts off rapunzel's golden hair, it turns brown, he declares her worthless and a loser, and leaves her in the tower.
I want to stress that I have actively discouraged all of this, but I also don't want to stifle the kids' creativity, so they're still getting full credit.
Sonja_Blu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why discourage it? It sounds really creative on their end. I wish my undergrad students came up with stuff that good.
Samcc42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:18:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh the stuff they're creating is brilliant. I just need to be cautious about any kind of obvious approval of a particular political ideology. Parents get pretty angry pretty fast when they learn their kid's teacher is a ______________.
Sonja_Blu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, fair enough. My students are adults so I don't need to worry about that.
CLearyMcCarthy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:20:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did a Donald Trump themed Rumpelstiltskin fractured fairy tale where she had to spin Trump's bad comb over into gold in 7th grade.
Which was in 2005.
Samcc42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hah! That's awesome! You'd have fit right in with the group I have now.
Tayz_ ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 20:18:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grandfather is pro-Trump. He is talking about ways to make Hillary release her E-mails, and that she must have been hiding top secret information that she was pedaling to other people.
Little cousin says "if they are worried that she was going to give away top secret stuff, why do they want to show it to all of America? Sounds like they don't know what they are doing."
Room is dead silent. Fucking savage.
Booty_Is_Life_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that is savage
somanydimensions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMG that kid is a genius
forerunner398 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is they referring too? I must have missed something big.
acamann ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 16:18:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8th grade, but I had a student call me a gringo Donald-Trump-wanna-be mother-F*er for writing him up for skipping class. Style points.
Assdolf_Shitler ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 20:29:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't want to be Trump, I am better than Trump, I am the best Trump, ask the principal, he tells me "These kids are in a bad place and only you can fix it." It's true, so true, I write the best discipline notices and make the best tests."
"So...am I in trouble?"
"Bigly."
jsmoo68 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:48:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Savage.
redsoxgirl12 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 18:17:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I caught my 4 yo and 7 yo nieces crying the other day. When I asked what was wrong, they told me they were scared if Donald Trump becomes president, their chihuahua would be sent back to Mexico. So sweet and naive, but crushed my heart.
Reed_Solomon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:50:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's got to go back.
prancingElephant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:35:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one's my favorite
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timesuck897 ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 16:35:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's mean to kittens, plays too roughly with them, doesn't ask them if they want to play first.
TheTigerMaster ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:05:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13 year old exclaims during English class: "how does he grab her by the pussy; there's nothing there!"
obamakare ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be at the top right meow
Beegrene ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:13:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at an animal shelter and I grab kittens frequently.
knitsandwiggles ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:07:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see someone watched Ellen last week.
FridaCat ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 17:10:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school teacher here - My students (mostly Latino and from immigrant families) are very afraid of Donald Trump. Even the ones who were born here are afraid that he will try to send them "back." All my students think he is very racist, sexist, and anti-immigrant. They call him a ugly and mean. It has really affected how we teach the election because it is impossible to present the two sides.
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FridaCat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean that there is so much emotion tied up in it for my students. They are very afraid of him and really hate him. It is hard for them to get into a mindset to even objectively understand or accept the Republican point of view.
Xerodo ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 16:38:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last year I had an ELL (English Language Learning) reading group of elementary schoolers, all first grade and all Hispanic. One of the little girls was really unfocused. It was clear something was bothering her and she was almost on the verge of tears most of the day.
I finally get the chance to talk to her one on one towards the end of the day and she asks me, in the cutest little kid voice you can think of, "Is Donald Trump going to take my mom and dad away?"
I told her no, and said things would be okay, but it was hard not to say more than that.
Positpostit ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:15:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was actually deported and it tore my family apart. I remember I was scared throughout my life beforehand and I feel really bad these kids are worrying about that.
newheart_restart ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:19:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
God that's heartbreaking.
[deleted] ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 15:54:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:08:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's Spray Tan Butt - A Family Favorite!
jsmoo68 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:34:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor Melanie. There aren't enough drugs in the world that would allow me to do that part of her job.
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CorbenikTheRebirth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:15:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens
thatnerdydude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like, on the actual crayon? Because there isn't enough room on a crayon to write that.
rkiga ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:26:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
myth busted
http://imgur.com/a/USCH5
thatnerdydude ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:57:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha ya know what, I stand corrected!
modestthoughts ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 17:47:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but an involved dad. On a field trip with my daughter's second grade class I overheard her talking with friends about who they would vote for.
The girls were legit worried about Donald Trump sending one of the friends in their group away because her family is from a primarily muslim country. After they all said they would rather have Hillary because of this I assured them that I didn't think Trump would win and that even if he did win the President doesn't have the power to do that.
After they all settled down a little another chaperone stated that she was voting for Trump but didn't want to see anyone sent away. My daughter responded with, "Well if you vote for him Natasha has to leave. So it sounds like you want her to leave but are embarrassed to say it."
The mother looked horrified. The teacher was beaming. And I? Well, my heart fandangoed with joy.
mutatron ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:22:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brutal! But honest.
docsnavely ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 17:06:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One morning on the way to school earlier this year my 10 year old told me we needed to move back to Japan (my wife is JPN and I'm American) if Trump becomes president. I asked her why she would think that.
Reed_Solomon ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 19:49:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Japan is infinitely more racist.
docsnavely ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:55:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference between racism and xenophobia. Plus, that's not the impression my mixed race, bilingual children have when they go back to Japan every year.
They experienced way more targeted racism being of mixed ethnicities when we lived in Florida than they ever have in Japan.
reddericks ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 17:08:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The school I work at is around 98% Hispanic and one of my second grade students was crying last year because she heard Trump was going to, "send her parents away."
back9 ยท -34 points ยท Posted at 17:17:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, if Mom and Dad aren't here legally, they should go. Feel bad for the kid.
FelixTheScout ยท -31 points ยท Posted at 17:24:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This. All illegal aliens should GTFO. They're free to take their anchor babies with them. No, "tearing apart of families" you know.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:01:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They weren't illegal though
LegendOfPublo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
nobodycaresaboutyourpoliticalopiniononreddit
AlphaNERDSolid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say that to every subreddit doing circlejerk for the president dedicated to. And to any politics realted subreddit... AAAAND practically most of reddit
Mentiritas ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 16:16:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both my parents are ESL teachers in elementary schools in rural NC where there are a lot of undocumented families. They have had MULTIPLE kids say they are scared that man will win for president and will send them back to their country. My mom had a girl come crying one day because her mom had said just that and she really really didn't want to. They also have had kids who ask them"why does trump not like us?" And they scariest one of all "why does Trump want to kill us?" There is a lot of fear in the community.
[deleted] ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TheOneFreeEngineer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:55:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Often children are actually citizens but their parents aren't. Do you send the parents back and leave the kid alone in their house/ apartment? You can't deport an American citizen and the children never committed any crime.
amsterdam_pro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:33 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
aka anchor babies.
Capslockwarrior ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Their parents should have thought of that before breaking the law. What other crimes are we not going to punish because the criminal has a family? Being a parent shouldn't be a literal get out of jail free card.
Taihendesu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:14:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deport the parents keep the children. The parents made a calculated risk coming illegally well guess what times up. the consequence has come
saint_oogie ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't we just send you and your family back in their place?
amsterdam_pro ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:54:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Trump_Image_Library ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 17:11:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Undocumented" eh? Nice wordplay, illegal immigrant enabler.
swearinerin ยท 382 points ยท Posted at 15:55:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a school which is about 80% Hispanic. One of my students told me that he was scared of Trump got elected his parents would be kicked out.
Another told me that he hates Trump because he says all Mexicans "R-A-PE" (like he spelled it out for me)
I honestly hate Trump even more now because of how much it is affecting my students. Some are genuinely worried about something they shouldn't even be thinking about, others feel discouraged because if that's what someone who might run the country thinks of them, then what's the point in being better (another quote from a 4th grader)
We're doing a vote at my school and out of the 3 classes that have voted (just the 5t graders) it's ALL Hillary and no Trump. I've heard no mention as to the students thought on Hillary just how much they are scared of Trump.
SvenHudson ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 17:13:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My god, they're even rigging elementary school mock elections.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:03:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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serene420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:27:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ayy /pol/ really does get old tho
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:31:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the anons are edgelords and autistic trolls, but every once in a while you'll get an actual nazi.
Lolrennn ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:23:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This really upsets me. Kids shouldn't have to worry about things like this.
swearinerin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:28:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know... :/ it does for me too. I teach science to the whole school k-5 so seeing the students of all grades know and worry makes me really sad.
skilliard7 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They shouldn't. If they came to the country legally they have nothing to worry about at all. If they came illegally, they should't be consuming services that cost our taxpayers money.
SuperSocrates ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:16:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kids didn't do jack shit. They're kids.
skilliard7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, someone needs to tell the kids they got nothing to worry about. Trump doesn't want to deport anyone that's here legally.
falconinthedive ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:56:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my close friends teaches at a charter school in Minneapolis that's mostly black with a large muslim population. She's said the exact same thing with her kids.
nermid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:23:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the saddest things I've read in a long time.
ButtsexEurope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to hope that since Hillary has the black and Hispanic vote down pat she'll win.
swearinerin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea me too... :/ I mean I'm from California so we are pretty guaranteed to be for Hillary just scared for the rest of the country.
mjmannella ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does she though?
averhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seen any polls to indicate she doesn't?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:25:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, screw that. Most kids don't seem to like gym classes, so they certainly wouldn't support presidents that are a PE.
angrybabe72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 1st a student whose parents are from Central America wrote "Cinderella's stepsisters remind me of Donald Trump because he wants to make my parents go back where they came from." Exact words.
madogvelkor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:06:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back when the first Clinton ran in 92 my HS did a mock vote. Perot won by a landslide.
swearinerin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:34:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea it's not a representation of the whole election I just find it interesting. Though we do live in Southern California so not surprising.
FirePowerCR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What really sad about that is how many people support those opinions of his. I don't think he actually even feels that way. He just has the support of the people that think that way and he's catering to them.
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FutureFruit ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:49:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/C6QEqoYgQxw
"Some I'm sure, are good people." Some. SOME. That implies that MOST are not. Along with "They aren't sending their best." "They aren't sending you."
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FutureFruit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would think they would learn to be more clear with their verbiage. I mean Trump I can kind of see... But Clinton? She should know better.
64bitHustler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but we tend to play fairly fast and loose with the word "half". It has become synonymous with "a few". Think about how we use it. "Half the politicians out there have their heads up their asses" or "Half the time I don't know what I'm doing" In both those examples, half doesn't literally mean 50%. It means "enough that it's a thing".
But it's this bickering over nonsense semantics that is stifling actual discussion on shit like "What should we do about Syria?" "What is TPP and is it good for the US?" "Are we going to war with Russia?"
Instead we waste all of our energy arguing over whether Donald said "they're" or "their", and whether Hillary literally meant half.
FutureFruit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well for the record, they have been asked those kinds of questions and all we get are cryptic, bullshit political answers. I don't think either one is particularly concerned with the welfare of this country.
Edit: Also I'm not sure how you can just gloss over all the other crazy shit Trump has said like about how the second amendment people could "do something" to stop Hillary.
https://youtu.be/hf2STe6Cb-g
How exactly would you spin that one?
RedditDan00 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:17:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he say "they're sending their rapists and murderers" or something to that effect? Wasn't too complimentary any ways
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prancingElephant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:22:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mexico doesn't "send" anyone here. And he specifically said it about Mexicans.
mjmannella ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:20:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I viewed that as metaphorical, like when people refer to countries as people.
So what would be more accurate is, "Mexicans are sending themselves to the US illegally and a significant amount of them are rapists, murderers, and drug dealers".
SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is a false statement. Immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than the average American.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never gave any statistics. I just said something which is true across all races. Commiters of rape, murder, and drug dealing.
whisperingmoon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."
It's not "all Mexicans are rapists," but it is "Mexicans being sent (?) to the USA are rapists."
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SuperSocrates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"He's an idiot, but it's okay because he is consistently an idiot."
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newheart_restart ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 18:17:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think Mexican Americans or Muslims have no reason to fear a Trump presidency more than a Clinton presidency? How can you possibly justify that?
SuperSocrates ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he's white, probably.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's more an indication of red state vs blue state
HaydenGalloway10 ยท -100 points ยท Posted at 16:26:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but you hate Trump only because him wanting to enforce immigration law is scaring the children of illegals???
You should hate their parents for involving their children in their criminal activity. If I took my kid with me to rob a bank i'm sure he'd be scared when the police took me to jail. It doesn't mean its the police's fault.
wagon153 ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 16:52:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't believe they said that their children's parents were illegals...
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wagon153 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 16:55:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they are children. All they hear is that Trump wants to deport the mexicans.
[deleted] ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 17:03:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's not Trump's fault. That's the corporate backed, Hillary-loving media.
wagon153 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:04:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not blaming either Trump or Hillary here for it. I'm just explaining why they are afraid. I'm not trying to say there's any semblance of truth in it.
[deleted] ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 17:27:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh i see. Also, why am i being downvoted? Do people ACTUALLY believe he said he's going to deport all mexicans? lmfaoooooo.
You get the government you deserve. No US citizen has any right to bitch about the candidates we have.
JurijFedorov ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:33:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, they are small kids. They don't know better.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 18:03:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, I'm now addressing the redditors downvoting me. We are no longer discussing children that just repeat what their parents say.
theivoryserf ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:51:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What an intellectual titan you are. Truly.
dunkster91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, yes. I forgot how much fifth graders watch the news.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to their parents that watch the news. Certain sentiments are then trickled down to the children based on what the parents say/how they think. It's not that hard a process to follow smartass cunt.
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HaydenGalloway10 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 17:56:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a myth. 8 U.S. Code ยง 1325, its a criminal offense punishable by up to 6 months in prison.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:59:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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HaydenGalloway10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL so they teleported here?
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HaydenGalloway10 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are talking about Mexicans, they are not coming on tourist visas. They are illegally crossing.
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HaydenGalloway10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only 40% of illegals are visa overstays. And Mexico isn't even the top country among visa overstays. That means the vast majority of Mexicans illegally crossed.
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HaydenGalloway10 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:22:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
even if we look at the 5 or 10% who are visa overstays. They broke the law.. ok we can use the term lawbreaker for them. They didn't do what they are supposed to do. they took advantage of our hospitality and our kindness. And they need to go. If their children are scared they only have themselves to blame.
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HaydenGalloway10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats it, there it is. The hispanic supremacist movement that wants to remove all white people from the southwest. Thats why so many hispanics and racist groups like La Raza think they don't have to follow US law. Because they don't accept white sovereignty over that part of the US.
We won the war you started and Its ours now and the US is a multiethnic nation. If you're still mad about it then leave.
raukolith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they enter legally and stay illegally
labrat420 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:38:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're ready for the huge increase in the price of food once all the illegals are gone cause you can bet no American is going to do that hard of work in the field for that little money.
HaydenGalloway10 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:39:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but we can't put a price on the rule of law. I provide cheap tomatoes is not an excuse to violate immigration law.
labrat420 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:47:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're greatly underestimating how much the plan to deport people will cost us in both dollars and jobs. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/cost-deporting-undocumented-immigrants-study-2016-5
swearinerin ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:42:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1 I hate him for multiple other reasons such as being a rapist.
2 just because some of my students parents came to the US to get their children a better life doesn't mean they involving them in crimson life? Seriously.... all these parents are the hardest working people I've met plus not even all of them are illegals they just hear that he is going to round up Mexicans and send them away. They're children they don't need to have that in their life whether they are illegal or not and not surprisingly I don't know the legal status of all my students.
HaydenGalloway10 ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 16:51:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good hating him for being a disgusting sexual predator is actually a valid reason.
And yes it is. They had children in a place they are legally not allowed to be. That means they involved their children. And being hard working is irrelevant. They are criminals. Lots of criminals are hard working. And if they aren't illegal why are they afraid? Trump has never said anything about deporting US citizens. He never said anything about deporting Mexican Americans. Its still their parents fault for lying to their children in that case.
swearinerin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:33:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because they're children and just hearing they are hated in a country based off their nationality is hard to hear. They're also scared they won't ever be able to go to Mexico and see their family there again because of the wall.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fourthspartan56 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True, but his comments advocating for sexual assault make the accusations against him seem plausible.
WormBloat ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:44:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I check, when a woman "lets you" touch them it's not sexual assault. English not your first language?
Fourthspartan56 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He never said anything about women letting him touch them, he just said that he can do anything he wants including grabbing them by the pussy. That is blatant sexual assault.
WormBloat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's hope you can read better than you can listen to audio:
"And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy."
Thrownitawaytho ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They should blame the parents and media spin instead.
The commercials on nowadays are getting quite ridiculous, with every half second sound clip taken out of context, strung together to make some mean sounding thing for kids to hear.
Edit: Nice downvotes CTR
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iburnaga ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think they are assuming that they are undocumented because said parents are afraid of deportation. Common fear for undocumented immigrants.
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swearinerin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:43:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or a common fear of any 7 year old just hearing Trump hates Mexicans and is sending them all away.
grabthebeer ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:23:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should tell your kids about what Obama and Clinton are doing to innocent civilians and children in countries around the world to carry out their geopolitical interests. That's more scary than Trump being politically incorrect.
swearinerin ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:36:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Politically incorrect' = sexually assaulting people now?
grabthebeer ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:46:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Allegedly. But keep focusing on that instead of Obama supporting a regime that just blew up 140 people. Or the CIA killing citizens with unauthorized drone strikes. Or Clinton making false rape claims against an government to promote propaganda against them.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:53:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Trump said mean things to women!
Lejkahh ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:19:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, Trump is a vulgar person saying a lot of dumb shit. But never has he said that all mexicans rape people, he said that the essence of crime, drugs and rape enters the country from illegal immigrants in different amounts. He should've said "They bring in crime, drugs and rape" (which still is a very bold sentence, yet a bit more relevant to the issue) instead of "They're rapists", but I'm quite sure that what he meant is that there are a lot of reported rape cases around illegal immigrants. Again, not defending the way he said it, but If these kids were to listen to what Trump said without the media "reconstructing" his sentence or falsely telling them what he wants to do, they wouldnt be so scared. Just my 2 cents.
swearinerin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know he didn't say it outright but again these are children they hear "Mexicans being rape and crime" and then it becomes "all Mexicans are rapists and criminals" it's similar but yes not EXACTLY what he said though close enough for the students to think that and start taking it to heart.
Lejkahh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not any of us agree or disagree with the immigration policies of Trump, how do you want him to adress problems if you don't want kids hearing it because it might reach them negatively?
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aggie1391 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:01:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All they said was it's mostly Hispanic. Good to know Hispanic = criminal to you though.
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aggie1391 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or kids born here who have birthright citizenship because Trump ignores the Constitution and insists that's not real.
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prancingElephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Illegal immigration is a civil offense. They're not criminals.
[deleted] ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:11:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I was babysitting my seven year old niece and there was a Trump rally on CNN. She told me to turn off the angry yelling show.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:30:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the angry yelling show - starring Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as themselves.
prancingElephant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:11:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would watch this sitcom
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:13:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's already airing and it's almost-but-not-quite over. Better get binge-watching , /u/prancingElephant!
Captainl53 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:48:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only partially relevant, but back in 08 in elementary school in a swing state, it was April and during the primaries. The teacher asked who would you vote for in government class. About half McCain half Obama and like 2 Hillary. After class the students that chose Hillary got intimidated because apparently she wanted to ban video games.
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_Atem_ ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 18:24:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woooow! That's incredibly absurd and sad. How are these parents so, so misinformed...
Stunner900 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know those Buddhist extremists
RazorToothbrush ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:38:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But the Oklahomian Christians are being religiously persecuted! /s
Leohond15 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...Did you tell her that Buddha has nothing to do with ISIS? Dear god what fucking idiots.
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Leohond15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty heartbreaking. I hate how religion is used in such a psychologically damaging way
bakingwhilebaking ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:55:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Oklahoma. Shit like this makes me so happy that i no longer live there. When I had fb (which I had to delete due to my family's terrible political posts) I would sometimes post news stories about Oklahoma fucking up, in lots of different ways. Eventually friends and family started asking me "not to talk down on Oklahoma". Nah, sorry. I bitched about the same stuff when I lived there, and I won't stop now. The place is backwards.
17Hongo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you were just talking about Oklahoma, and it's just that bad?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:40:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, that kid is delusional. Fuck her parents for teaching her to hate religons she had never even heard of
Leohond15 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:34:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kid isn't delusional, she doesn't understand what she's saying. And tbh I wouldn't say there's much hate there so much as intense fear.
Funkydiscohamster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:01:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Intense fear because the parents are intensely ignorant.
Leohond15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, exactly. But that doesn't mean this child is hateful now. Perhaps later on, but now now.
ladyclare ยท 201 points ยท Posted at 15:31:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary school, but I teach a three-year-old preschool class...
The one day at circle, after one of my kids told me an obvious lie ("I didn't hit him," even though I'd clearly just witnessed that happen), I was telling the class why it's important to tell the truth.
I was saying, "We don't lie to teachers. We don't lie to mommies and daddies. We don't lie to friends."
Just then, one of my kids pipes up with, "But Donald Trump lies," so matter-of-factly, in his sweet little three-year-old voice, and it was so hard not to react/laugh!
Seagull84 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:46:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that children are consumed by the election too. I was born in 84, and the first election I actually remember is Bush vs Clinton in 92. I only remember it happening, not any details like "so and so lies".
The fact that 3 year olds know this and aren't just focused on being kids is astounding.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same here and i barely remember it
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graphix62 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:40:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh tell them it is 't so bad they will at least know english and can get a job at a nice hotel in their parents country.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:41:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son said "I'm scared if Trump wins because he hates Mexicans and we're Mexican".
This made me very sad.
Lunatic0nTheGrass ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 19:25:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is a 5th grade gifted teacher who had her students come up with political cartoons about the current election. This was the clear winner.
"Trumpty Dumpty said, 'Build that wall!'
Trumpty Dumpty was destined to fall.
All of the leaders that once were his friends,
Vowed they would never back Trumpty again."
Imaybelightning ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:51:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dear god, have that submitted to her campaign before the debate so she can use it to provoke him.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's amazing, no matter which you support
calowyn ยท 321 points ยท Posted at 15:04:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was subbing last year the girls in my elementary school largely peer pressured each other into liking Hillary, they found her the most qualified. The boys all loudly liked Trump for the shock value but when actually asked to think critically would write down Hillary in Civics essays.
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 16:37:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this should be higher up. This is the closest to how I think this election will play out.
calowyn ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 16:55:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a co-ed school, with single gender classrooms, and if you think young boys act out for the attention of their female classmates, you've never seen young boys act out for the attention of their male classmates, that's all I'm saying. They all wanted to be the most shocking.
ZDTreefur ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:03:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This seems to be pretty universal. Boys love acting out for the shock value, or to see the reaction from people. It's like we are all naturally born trolls and most grow out of that phase.
Toxicitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you dare walk over my bridge!
yumyum36 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:05:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Idk I still feel Johnson will take a couple states.
PavelYay ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:09:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Well... I live in Washington (Seattle area) and I like to walk places. You'd think that I'd see lots of "Vote ____ 2016" signs in people's yards, but nope, I've only seen 2 in the last few weeks, both for Johnson. Judging by this statistic, Johnson will take Washington, which will coincidentally have an astronomically low voter turn out this year. Which seems about right.
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calowyn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, where I am (swing state), most Hillary voters have given up putting out signs, as they're almost immediately stolen or defaced.
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calowyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just too contentious on both sides to wear your political affiliation out in your yard.
LeeRobbie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What states do you think Johnson has a chance of winning?
yumyum36 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Utah and New Mexico.
Utah has Trump and Clinton at 26% each in the polls with the rest being taken by third party candidates. It has McMullin polling at 22% and Johnson at around 14%. I'm interested in whether McMullin or Johnson will overtake here.
New Mexico has Johnson at about 24% currently, and is starting to be shown on political maps as having a possibility of turning gold.
If Johnson/McMullin can take a couple states, I think there's a chance neither Hillary nor Trump can get a full 270.
notLOL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Learning to lie about who you vote for during graded essays. Reminds me of me.
I've done essays bashing violence in music, games and tv. I bashed ninja turtles in 3rd grade in an essay. Splinter forgive me.
nermid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Splinter always forgives.
SSAZen ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:42:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid came home asking to put a Trump sign in the yard I asked why and she said that she heard on the bus Clinton was going to make them have school Saturdays.
minigogo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the kind of shit I remember from the 2000 election, except it was banning all video games instead of school on Saturdays.
zegana167 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:01:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my 5th graders who I will refer to as "Trump Kid" believes that Hillary contracted AIDs from her husband who contracted it from magic Johnson.
I was teaching the class about the rain shadow effect and how mountains act as a natural barrier for rain clouds to which he replies, "oh like the wall and the illegals!"
He also believes that the liberals infiltrated the texas government to ban dodge ball in the public school system.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He might be right on that last one
letsmakesparks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying the last part is not true?
zegana167 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was very passionate about it. Maybe he knows something that I dont!
letsmakesparks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is dodge ball banned? That seems like one of those sports that is getting the axe.
zegana167 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's banned in public schools in a few states. Texas was one of the first ones believe it or not.
letsmakesparks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there ya go. If the kid is right about dodge ball, maybe he is right about hillary.
Yggsdrazl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure if something has changed in the last ~10 years, but I definitely played dodgeball in a Texas public school, just not with the big red rubber balls, we used foam ones.
ProspectiveQuant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:02:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There appears to be a modicum of truth to this lol
bgeller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever meet the parents?
zegana167 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, I definitely see where he gets it. Truly terrifying. I'm pretty sure the whole AIDs thing came straight from them too.
henrythe8thiam ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:32:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter had a pretty good one. We were watching news coverage of the election in the Netherlands. I didn't think my kids were listening but my oldest was...My daughter informed me that he would make a very bad president because kitties don't like it when you just walk up and grab them. That's mean to them and a good way together bitten and scratched. She would never vote for someone who was mean to kitties. They are her favorite, real animal!
somanydimensions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your daughter is awesome! Cats are the best!
[deleted] ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 16:00:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I have a 4 year old. Out of nowhere the other day he asks if we have ever heard of "Donald Trunk". I asked if he knew who that was and he said yes. I asked what he thought of him and he said he is bad because he does whatever he wants. He also added that Donald Trunk is a little fart. I guess we have the same view on politics.
oz6702 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:38:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I take offense at that. His farts are tremendous, folks, just tremendous. They're yuge. Some of the largest and healthiest farts ever seen in a human, in fact - as his doctor would be more than happy to tell you.
17Hongo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"trump" does mean "fart", I suppose.
theanj92 ยท 77 points ยท Posted at 15:39:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at an after school program, and during outside time this group of at the time 4th grade boys would play the "Donald Trump Game" where they would just start running around like chickens with heads cut off, desperately yelling, "DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! WE'RE ALL DONE FOR!" And the kid who was "Donald" would chase them and if he tagged them with a ball they dramatically "died." They're smart kids haha xD
yshuduno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:13:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least they weren't grabbing the girls by the pussy.
SAOkirito1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I wish I had played that as a kid
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:19:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
RegalKillager ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens/
Throwagayoffarooftop ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:58:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Asked my 5 year old nephew if he knew who Donald Trump was.
Who's Barrack Obama?
realizing his mistake
Who's Hillary Clinton?
gingbabe ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:55:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple students in my 2nd grade class were very concerned that Trump wasn't going to let them see their family (in Mexico) anymore and another was on the verge of tears because he believed Trump was going to bomb his family in Mexico.
Atheistic_Alex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's telling these kids this shit?
nottadude ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:09:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 5 year old was on pbskids.org the other day and they were holding a mock election of a cartoon version of Trump and Clinton. I she'd vote for, and she pointed at Trump and said, "Well, he's more silly." And she voted for him, base d purely on silliness factor.
SAOkirito1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:29:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So that's why people are voting for trump
ema1237 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:38:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary kids seem to hate Trump because "he wants to send all the Mexicans back" and middle school kids don't like Hillary because "she's ugly." So very sound arguments.
bufftart ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:06:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
thats why they dont vote...
ema1237 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully!
therealhaagentii ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i have better political discussions with 12 year olds than 30 year olds, why are all children discussed here stupid, or portrayed as such? i live in georgia, by the way.
ema1237 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because kids say dumb things? Perhaps you should ask everyone else on this thread what they think too..
TripleSkeet ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 16:28:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but the other day my 7 year son told me not to vote for Trump. When I asked why he said he saw a video on youtube where he was making fun of someone and he was very mean. He said that kind of guy shouldnt be president.
This was the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WumFK-f9xhY
I gotta say regardless of politics I was really proud of my son for thinking that bullying (to him he saw it as bullying) shouldnt be rewarded. The kid watched video game videos on youtube all the time, Im dying to know how he came across that one.
Atheistic_Alex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YouTube front page has tons of politics.
frumpy_dumpty ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 17:24:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
oh yeah right that's believable
Chen19960615 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:36:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens
skeletonsanta ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:44:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
is it possible to watch youtube without seeing those ads lately?
TripleSkeet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Listen, I rarely talk politics, and I dont think I ever have in front of my kids. It was one of the reasons I was kinda taken aback. I didnt know my son even knew who Donald Trump was. That being said, Im not some super Hillary supporter. I think shes a shitbag, along with Trump. I honestly feel like I dont have a dog in the fight, so theres no reason for me to go crazy trying to brainwash my kids who they should or shouldnt support for president. Thats something they will have to learn how to do on their on when they are old enough. It wowed me because its something he completly came up with on his own. Thats why I asked what he was talking about and where he got it. Because I dont want my kids teachers telling them who is worthy for president and who isnt.
shronts ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:33:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"More like Donald DUMP!!" cue entire class scream-laughing
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump Should Just Take a Dump.๐ฉ
ToroZuzuX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So that's why he looks so constipated all the time!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He certainly does look constipated
TheAtomicGecko ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:55:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in an after school program to different grade levels. For the most part, middle and high school students have treated Donald Trump as a meme. His name is basically an absurdist punchline that they use for laughs or for shock value. Though at the same time, a lot of them openly call BS on on his media coverage being a little unfair despite not liking him and his policies. A good amount hate Hillary too now that I think about it... I guess they're quickly becoming jaded to our political system.
The elementary students, on the other hand, are hysterical. I don't know if it's parents, their teachers, or playground banter fueled by what they overhear on the TV, but Trump is a James Bond villain. I've heard that Trump is vowing to delete the internet. I've heard that he's going to deport all Asians (I teach in a predominantly Asian area in California). I've also heard that he's going to take away our pets.
So yeah. Fun stuff.
yshuduno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:26:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He IS an absurdist punchline.
Jahobi ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:16:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher, but a coach to elementary school kids. One kid said if he could have one superpower, he would shapeshift into Donald Trump and kill himself.
Xisuthrus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:33:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/shittysuperpowers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Savage burn
Booty_Is_Life_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol but that would accomplish nothing
happycynic20 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:40:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Overheard during morning duty in the 4th/5th grade hallway: "... that's like Trump's wall: never gonna happen"
guess_the_acronym ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 21:39:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son had to write a sentence in school using the word "loan." His sentence read,"Donald Trump got a small loan of a million dollars, but he still can't afford my vote!"
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eyyyyyyy! That's pretty good for a kid, but the inspiration had to come from somewhere
IrishCarB0mbs ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary School, but I teach middle school in a pretty urban area. The kids generally tend to spew out whatever they hear from their parents, due to my location that tends to be Pro Hilary and Anti Trump opinions. I got tired of hearing ridiculous and horribly incorrect information from the kids last year (regarding trump and Clinton,) so I've made it a point to incorporate the election within my classes. They've been taught to be impartial and have been researching and learning about both campaigns and both of the candidates. Now they at least have an educated opinion on each candidate and can defend their opinions, as opposed to when they just had the wild claims that they heard from friends and family.
schkittles ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:55:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher, but my boyfriend has a younger sister in the second grade. The other day she was looking over my shoulder as I was on Facebook. Donald Trump was one of the trending topics listed at the top right of the page. She spots his name and explains in a very calm manner, "I know Donald Trump. He is one of the clowns going around killing people on the roads." Somehow, she and her classmates merged Donald Trump with the media coverage on the recent clown sightings.
Half_Man1 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:25:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has nothing to do with the elections, but I still remember in the 7th grade our teacher was going over the history of Israel. After explaining how they've managed to come out alive after all the war, she asks us-
"And they've managed to survive because who's on their side?"
I answer knowingly "The US."
She shakes her head and points her finger at the sky and some bemused kid next to me says "God".
Whatever, Ms. Vickory. God's not giving billions of dollars to Israel in military aid.
hunter15991 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Potato-potato, amirite?
ShadowWolf58 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Once I hit about 6th grade, I started entirely tuning out teachers when god became the topic, unless it was a religion study. If you can't yourself separate church and state, the state being the one that signs your damn check twice a month, I have no reason to respect you as an educator. You can be a Sunday school teacher one day and a history teacher the next, and be entirely unbiased one way or the other.
rawzhar ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:53:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary School in San Francisco here. Majority Asian students at our school. I have heard things from all grade levels about the election:
Kindergartener to me, "Hillary Clinton will win because ALL of New York city voted for her TWICE!"
4th grader shouting in class (he has a little lack of social skills), "oh let's give the ladies a chance for once!! Come on!!! Hillary!! Let's give her a CHAAAAANCE!"
4th grade class in general LOVES to talk about Trump, a number of Asian students have openly talked about how they are scared of him because he hates them, would want to deport them, that he's racist, that he's going to destroy the world etc.
2nd grade class informed me that if I voted for Trump you were a bad person according to their parents.
SFโค๏ธ
rastapasta808 ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 15:10:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
First grade teacher here. Politics never really comes up in the primary grades but when it does most agree that they are both bad and mean. They are wise beyond their years.
UndocumentedDocument ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 15:16:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a camp counselor this summer for a lot of second graders, they have said some very harsh stuff about trump. Usually Hitler and Satan comparisons and they would say how he should die.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:46:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After reading this thread for a little while, I'm starting to think the motherfucker does need to die because the damage he's doing is real.
SAOkirito1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah little kids shouldn't have to be scared that they'll be deported, they should be able to just be kids
neutrinospeed ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:41:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My (ethnically diverse) students in 5th and 6th grade had a mock election with all their teachers, with ballot issues and everything. Hillary won by a landslide. The kids repeat what Trump says (they are very aware), laughing at and sarcastically mocking the things that come out of his mouth. They think his ideas are insane. They call him D Tizzle. They know.
Waterboyman11 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:30:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In elementary school during the mock election when it was bush v kerry because my parents and all my friends were voting for Bush but I wanted to vote for kerry because he wanted to protect the environment. They actually wrote an article in the local paper about me or at least I think they did. I'll ask my mom if she still has it and post a pic when I get home. as promised a ling names censored for anonymity
jsmoo68 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
D Tizzle!! Love it!
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:46:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom teaches first grade and one of the quietest kids, who usually sits near the teachers table, overheard my mom and her fellow teachers talking about Trump and Clinton. Well this little girl raised her hand, my mom asked her what she needed and the girl replied, "We're all fucked." And then she continued to eat her lunch.
tl:dr "We're all fucked."
SAOkirito1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that kid is a genius
Andy0132 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:23 on October 21, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This kid understands.
CoherentFrost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well played.
BigFatDynamo ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:51:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the students I work with was crying the other day, inconsolable. When i finally found out what was wrong, he stated that his best friend said if Trump wins, he's moving to Canada.
It took a while, but we finally convinced him that his friend was speaking in hyperbole, and that his family isn't going to actually move (although they might like to).
We hear shit about Trump daily. He's very unpopular at my (uber liberal) school. It's hilarious.
doyouremembah ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump needs to apologize to the parents of America.
intentsman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He can't apologize because (in his mind) he's never done anything wrong to apologize for
chicklogic ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:20:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3rd grader says she wants Trump to win. Her reason was she wants to be the first female President of the United states.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 15:50:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach middle and high school and have a 12 year-old. Now, i do live in a blue state in a diverse community. My observation is that all the kids HATE Trump and are legit scared of him being president. They're worried about climate change and while a few know that Hillary is no angel on that charge, they're all aware that Trump is a denier. They're upset by his views on women (my son, who is kept to a very high standard in terms of respecting his mom) is most angry at Trump for that, as are the girls. Since my son's best buddy is a Muslim immigrant and some of his other friends are Hispanic, he's none too thrilled with Trump on those fronts, either. To my very white upper-class and artsy students, the biggest problems are how Trump treats women and LGBQT people. One of the kids at my small school is trans and the other kids love him, so that shapes their views.
I would have said that they were just parroting their parents maybe six, seven months ago, but at this point Trump's arguments are so terrible and his behavior so abhorrent, that any 12 year-old who is paying attention, as my son and students are, can make up their minds about him. Hillary is more complex.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:44:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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mittenthemagnificent ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:09:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's middle and high school where I teach. My trans students, and I have had several, have all come out pretty late in high school or first year of college. But there are trans kids at any age. In my experience, toddlers are aware of gender. By middle school, I'm pretty sure we all know what gender/sex we are. So a child who feels confused about that at that age should probably be listened to, at the very least.
WorkerBee74 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:35:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your school sounds fantastic. Some good kids there!
mittenthemagnificent ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:55:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is :). But it's expensive, so it can be an echo chamber for only one side.
Stickeris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is your kid going to the high school where all college brochure models come from?
mittenthemagnificent ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:56:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid is going to a middle school in a suburban Seattle area neighborhood, where there are many races and folks of different stripes. It's nice here.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:18:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow,a trans kid
RazorToothbrush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, but his orientation doesn't do anything for nor does it detract from you and your life. So no need for you to care
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do not care about his/her life decisions. I just remarked it
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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joshbeechyall ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's remarkable.
Outside of a value judgement, it's an indication of a rapidly changing world that a middle/high-school student who identifies as trans can have that identity respected by teachers and peers.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, and that identity is not only respected by his peers: it's fiercely defended by them. When I slip and say "she," because this is my third year teaching him but only his first year out as a boy, they leap to his defense. Kids are not complicated: they look around and see people they like being treated badly, and they see no reason for that, and so they get mad about it. I often think we could all learn from that simple way of viewing the world a little bit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:16:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"There's pretty much no need to care about anything that isn't causing you direct physical harm."
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Although it's a new thing, you are suppose to skip the "surprised" stage of finding out it happens.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relax. I live in a country where the majority of the population is against homosexuality,so this is surprising to me.
notLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying how lgbtq see it. I walk on egg shells in California. Doing it for informational value not to prove you wrong
Molinkintov ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:45:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
life altering decisions are best left to 12 year olds
mittenthemagnificent ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:54:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's 17, but okay. I'm sure at 17, you were still unsure about your sex.
Molinkintov ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
17 year olds are bright too
Moirawr ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 19:34:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Sometimes I feel like I'm in the twilight Zone when batshit insane things like this are said completely seriously.
Guess what, sex is a medical fact that cannot be changed by wishful thinking. As a woman I might have endometriosis because of my sex, not a subjective feeling. www.sexandgenderintro.com
I mean be honest, at 17 were you unsure about your sex? Of course not because that is ridiculous.
This so-called concept of gender is the same old sexism in a new liberal package.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or it's not. Or it's biological and he will be fine if we let him figure himself out without constraining him to our own expectations. You could just relax and not worry about it. He's happier. His friends and parents and teachers don't have an issue with it. By college no one will be able to tell he was ever a girl unless he strips in class. He's totally okay. You're totally okay. Weirdly, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
Vinnys_Magic_Grits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you have never actually spoken to a trans person, or at least don't know any trans people personally? Because it's their actual lives you're talking about, not just some ideological stance.
ProspectiveQuant ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel sorry for your son, unless he is gay or trans.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As you should. His life is an endless trial of kind people, compassion, soccer, video games, good schools and friends... every night, he weeps that his peers aren't being forced to conform to gender norms. It's heartbreaking, truly. One of the great conundrums of our time.
ProspectiveQuant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:45:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds awesome, and it probably is awesome, as long as he is kept within a very tight little bubble. Post-puberty, and venturing outside of that bubble... he is fucked.
Idk, maybe if you can manage to never allow him to develop a libido, and have him live at home and never go outside of the little bubble he will live some sort of happy life.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is not trans, or gay. The trans kids I've taught have handled high school and college just fine. They are thriving. Having relationships. Making friends. Succeeding. The world will fuck us all. No one needs a bubble, even nice straight white boys. Relax and let people figure out their own shit. We all do.
ProspectiveQuant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean..that seems like pretty shit parenting to me. Might you not wish to give your kid life advice that would help them navigate the world?
My parents were pretty similar, and it has lead to pretty horrible situations of varying degrees for me and my two brothers. In my case, I managed to do alright by finding out some hard truths early on my own, but one of my brothers has been hugely set back, and the other has been so messed up that he is on government disabilities.
I mean sure, leave it all up to chance if you want. But seeing the firsthand results of this kind of parenting still makes me feel sorry for the kids. Some people out there actually have parents that give them life advice from an early age. I admit, I am envious of those people, as any of them I've met appear to be doing far better than the kids like me, and my brothers, and other people I've met.
Despite every media outlet proclaiming that being a white male's have the easiest lives in the world while simultaneously proclaiming them as the most evil human beings on the planet, I've not found it to be terribly true. Without a parent to step in and combat that propaganda self-hatred becomes easily internalized. I have seen a lot of messed up kids...and you can't even talk about it because suggesting white male kids might have problems is considered the epitome of racism and sexism.
You ever notice how even on Reddit "Nice Guys" get massacred? Nice Guys are developed in ultra-liberal bubbleworlds like your son is growing up in...it's not a certainty, but that's the kind of environment that breeds it. And those guys end up socially crippled, rightly so in reality; but they've been told their sexuality is evil, and that treating women nicely all the time no matter what, worshipping them because all women are amazing at everything at all times, is the only ethical way to interact with women, so really, it's hard to tell what the adults raising these kids expected? That's just one poignant example of what raising your son in such an environment without guidance could do to him.
Now sure, you might say "we're all fucked" etc... but realistically the lack of parental guidance combined with the choice to raise the kid in that bubble set the kid up for a lifetime of pain and misery potentially. If I were a parent I like to think I would at least TRY to prevent that kind of fate for my kid... But I understand most parents have this attitude of "ah fuck 'em, they gotta figure shit out for themselves". Well...both approaches are legal.
Still, I feel sorry for these kids because I've met so many that are completely fucked in life thanks to this kind of parenting style. It's rough enough being born into this shithole of a world without these potentially severe handicaps. Naturally, some kids will come out ok, but the odds seem to be fairly against it.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buddy, I'm sorry you've had a hard time. But you are seriously making assumptions and bringing your own experiences into a very limited little post that tells you literally nothing about my parenting style or that of the kids I mentioned. You sound like someone who had a rough childhood. I'm sorry about that. But dude: my kid is not being neglected or shoved out into the world with nothing. Did you read the post? It clearly says the kids I'm referring to are fine. As in fine. As in "thriving," as I said in the post. Thriving indicates not failing.
Life fucks us all. It does. No one is immune, no lives are perfect, everyone suffers and feels pain. No one lives in a bubble, no matter how much we try. The fact that you and your brothers had a hard time is sad, but it doesn't mean a: that everyone else does or b: that nobody else does. It's just life. There's no magic key. On one hand, people complain about helicopter parents. On the other, parents who don't do enough. In the end, what happens once you walk out the door of your parents' home is up to you. If you're disappointed or dissatisfied with your life, you can change that. From reading your post, the sooner you figure that out, the better you'll be.
Finally: women don't owe men anything. Stop assuming they need to be worshipped, or not worshipped. Women are not goddesses. They're humans. Some like that sort of attention. Most don't. Some like "manly" men. Some like "nice guys." Some like neither. Some like other women. There is no formula you can learn, there was no magic potion you missed out on. My son is fine. He is cool with himself and his own sexuality. He's not being taught to hate his masculinity. Far from it. I suspect if you got yourself sorted out, women would like your masculinity too.
I genuinely wish you health and happiness. Life is hard. You will be okay, but you have to own it for yourself.
ProspectiveQuant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:28:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally the only thing I can think of here is to say "fuck you".
You seem like a completely detached asshole that almost relishes the idea of other people leading painful lives. You must've been unbelievably hurt at some point for it to make you happy to see people suffer to the point where it apparently makes you gleam with joy to imagine other's suffering... but god damn, you come across as completely irredeemable. Like you literally lack the capacity to think about anyone other than yourself.
At least, however rough I had it, I haven't lost my sense of care for other human beings suffering. It appears that a completely psychotic asshole such as yourself cannot even comprehend such sentiment. Beyond fucked up.
I hope one day you can admit how damaged you are by whatever the fuck happened to you. But until then fuck you.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ha. Dear lord. I suggest therapy. The amount of projection here is totally astonishing.
ProspectiveQuant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, a psychopath that things everyone else needs therapy but themselves... how shocking.
mjmannella ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[citation needed]
mittenthemagnificent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:38:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's harder for kids to follow the nuances of Kissinger-era diplomacy and trade agreements and election manipulation than "Grab their pussy."
mjmannella ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You literally only need to look on Wikileaks and you get the whole story.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Twelve year-olds are not good at that sort of thing, generally. High schoolers are better. Even adults struggle with her politics. Hell, I struggle to know what to do with my vote, and I'm very well-informed. These are kids we're discussing.
mjmannella ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've be shocked at how many children have access to the internet.
mittenthemagnificent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, seriously? Do you know any 12 year-olds personally? If they're on the internet, they're either playing Steam or watching porn. Not researching Hillary Clinton.
BGYeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just an FYI Steam is a distribution platform not an actual game.
BGYeti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
As much as I understand where you are coming from just look at reddit. No one gives a shit about wikileaks on Hillary and all the shady backhanded dealings she has been apart of all they care about is what Trump says next not actual issue in a leader like defrauding the government. If Reddit which is primarily made up of people in their mid twenties care more about the stupid antics of Trump over the shit Hillary has pulled I doubt middle schoolers will do much better.
byxo ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:13:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm not an elementary teacher either. I teach high school in a low-income predominantly Latino school. Most of my kids have very thoughtful opinions, and a lot of them are genuinely upset that they can't vote. Not a lot of Trump fans in the Latino community (shocker, I know)--lots of students have talked about how what he said is hurtful to their community and then bring up statistics on immigrants paying taxes and other stuff to back up their points (we work on supporting claims with evidence). Sometimes they spit out conspiracy theory shit--Clinton's on death's door, the election is rigged, other kinda sad stuff. I don't talk politics but I don't forbid them from talking about it either. All I do is tell the 18-year-olds that if they don't vote, they don't get to complain about anything for the next 4 years. Not even the weather or the cafeteria food or their parents.
BedriddenSam ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a conspiracy theory until all the undercover footage coming out over the last week proven that at least to come degree, the election is rigged.
acamann ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:58:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
95% Hispanic students and several have asked me whether I will miss them if trump wins.
zalmute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats heartbreaking to me.
Bozly ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:39:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm a salesman so i talk with a lot of people and often thats a topic they bring up out of the blue because its on over the radio or on tv. And they bring their children so they get involved.
This was from a black girl "If donald trump gets elected he's going to put me in a concentration camp just like hitler!"
From a white boy "If hillary gets elected shes going to take our guns. And if she does that how am I going to shoot the gay people who break into my house?"
"Trump is going to build a wall and deport all the foreigners!" Where are your parents from? "They moved here from italy right before I was born"
This from a girl "being a president is man's job! We have so many emotions we'd start a war in a second! It has to be trump." But every war has been started by men. "Oh..."
Now what if I told you I heard all of that from adults? From ages 18 to 50. This is the one thing I heard from a ten year old.
"If trump cant treat women and his friends right how is he going to treat us right?"
A 10 year old said the most sane thing I have heard yet.
yshuduno ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:19:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're just there to redecorate.
Bozly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn maybe we should take the guns away. Girls say my taste is weak.
PikachuOfTheShadow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:47:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is frightening how dumb people can be seriously. What city do you work in if you don't mind me asking?
Bozly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in township surrounded by farms and a small city in ohio. So its very white heavy conservative. We still have people wanting to impeach obama.
PikachuOfTheShadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More than white and conservative I think the main factor here is uneducated people.
Bozly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:17:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We actually have a really high graduation rate and a really low unemployment rate and a huge amount of people attend college as we have a super affordable community college. Its more of an illinformed about whats actually going on. Listening to only facebook and twitter basically and not listening to their actual plans. Just taking opinions.
PikachuOfTheShadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your insights
Bozly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Always happy to shell out useless information!
iD4Yi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure I heard some of those on a tv show. You either took some of the responses from that show, are the interviewing guy from that show, or someone you asked happened to say the same thing as in that show.
Bozly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took the president is a mans job from a tv show.
My_massive_dingaling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is not true :X
the rest I laughed at kinda guiltily at those, thats crazy stuff!
ProspectiveQuant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that sane, or does it just pander to your own personal bias? It's rather ludicrous actually. People that are pieces of shit in their personal lives often do great things in their professional lives. Wagner hated Jews and wanted them exterminated...but he also wrote some of the best music of all times. Or, perhaps a more generic example, the husband who works as an investment banker making millions of dollars a year, but rarely sees his family because he works so much. He is a shit father, but clearly incredible at his job. There is no logic behind the notion, just a kind of gut feeling that people who are good at something (being nice to their friends) should naturally be good at another (being a good president), which is an example of the Halo Effect...a logical fallacy.
murphyat ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:04:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach just outside DC in a large County in Maryland. Many of our kids are from nigeria, kosova, and El Salvador. Many are Muslim or first generation Americans with much if their extended family still abroad.
I've had more than a handful of my students to ask if Trump will bring back segregation and slavery. Bullying toward Muslim kids has increased in our school. People act like 4th and 5th graders aren't affect....they don't fully understand, but they feel the sentiment and vitriol. It's sad.
sothisiscomplicated ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:44:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 1st grade and was explaining to the kids how very soon we will have another president and how things could change. I always try to be very neutral about things like politics or religion when they ask, so I don't get irate parents coming after me. I said that we might have Clinton, who would be the first ever woman president, or we might have Trump, and before I could get another word out all of my kids started violently shaking their heads back and forth and waving their hands in that "hell no" motion. I tried not to laugh as I asked what the reaction was for. One of the kids responded with "he's crazy!" Amazing what even 6-7 year olds pick up on, even if it is just listening to what their parents say.
[deleted] ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 19:05:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parent... singular because, you know... liberal democrat...
prancingElephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hilarious
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:23:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to be a spelling Nazi, but you misspelled 'true'.
Also, fuck liberals.
Synergythepariah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't cut yourself on that edge
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
EDIT: I started to act like a liberal. I apologize.
Synergythepariah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1/10
Kaa5096 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:04:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in my room but another teacher shared with me:
Students are reading about voting.
Little boy to class: my grandfather is voting for Donald trump. Appalled little girl next to him: WHAT?! Don't you know what color you are?!? Trump don't like black people. Little boy: (looks down at his arm)- yeah, I'm black too.
Willmingo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:36:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not a teacher But I am around elementary school-aged kids a lot. What I end up seeing and hearing is that the kids have a very basic understanding of who the candidates are and what they stand for in general, but have no idea or a very vague idea about how they stand on specific subjects like education and the environment. Most of what they blab out appears to be influenced by their parents and teachers. For example, one kid was blabbering about how great Clinton was and how Donald Trump wanted all of Mexico to die because he lost all of the debates or something incredibly silly like that. Upon meeting the kid's parents, it was evident that they were very much against Trump, but the kid stitched together their political statements from things their parents have said before, whether they were related to each other or not.
RE90 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:34:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I work in an after-school program where many of the 2nd and 3rd graders I interact with are Hispanic and from low-income homes:
One kid says Trump hates Mexicans. Another agrees. A few other kids join the discussionโwithin seconds, the angelic voices of every single student in the class chant in unison: "Kill Trump! Kill Trump! Kill Trump!"
Not a Trump fan, but had to shut that one down for obvious reasons.
Scones93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bahahahah, I wish you had a recording
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:00:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter is 6 and wants "the girl to win because that man's hair looks fake."
what_mustache ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:40:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but there's a controversy ongoing at a local school. A new sub got introduced as Miss Hernandez (name changed) and a few little fuckers started chanting "Build A Wall". This was 4th Grade.
jonross14 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:49:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Elementary school music teacher here. I work in a purple and ethnically diverse town in a blue state, so I've heard a wide range of stuff. Probably the most interesting exchange happened around May or June of last school year in a fifth grade class. This was right around when Trump announced he would halt all Muslim immigration to the US:
p0o9i8u7y ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 16:27:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 2nd grader named her cat Trump because "he never shuts up and he hates pretty girls."
AlphaNERDSolid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:16:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look. I'm great at meowing, ok? I love meowing and I have the best fur. No one has better furs than I do. My owner - and let me tell you, she was the best and smartest cat owner in the family at the time - my owner said to me that I am the best kitty she's ever seen. The best. So if you want me to meow, let me tell you I can meow alright. That's no problem. I will meow. I will. And I will meow better than any has ever done it before, ok? -Kitty Trump
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
morphinebysandman ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:11:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle school principal here. I've seen a slight increase in the number of boys making comments or doing inappropriate things towards girls. I've overheard boys repeating the, "grab her by the p****," comment. I'm deeply concerned what a Trump presidency would mean for gender relations for the foreseeable future. Children are impressionable, a politician must understand the gravity of his or her role as president and how it will impact all Americans.
SuurAlaOrolo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:49:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sound just like a principal!
morphinebysandman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:13:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha
back9 ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, please. That's a complete reach (so to speak). Ever listen to rap lyrics since, say, 1990?
Leohond15 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:44:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, because parents have always LOVED their kids listening to rap. They've always encouraged it, said the rappers are a moral compass, going to save the country and a stand up person. Not like rap has ever been controversial among parents and often discouraged or even banned. Comparing a low brow musician to a potential world leader is totally the same thing.
ooppsmybad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That has nothing to do with anything that this thread is about.
emdee39 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shut up.
Axumata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean ยซShut up, bitchยป line from Kanye West?
Or ยซShut up, bitchยป line from NWA?
Or ยซShut up, bitchยป line from Jarren Benton?
Or ยซShut up, bitchยป line from Lil Kim?
back9 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Brilliant. . . .and oh so telling.
emdee39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of what? Preferring to say shut up rather than try to correct someone who's clearly stupid? Okay.
spintz ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:29:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My step-dad says that Donald Trump is the only person who can whip this country back into shape."
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:18:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch me whip
hoemeauxx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:02:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch me pray pray ๐๐๐
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now watch me whip
Now watch me build a wall wall ๐๐ผ ๐๐ผ ๐๐ผ
nice_memexD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/comedycemetery
imlesmartest ยท 195 points ยท Posted at 14:47:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary school but a middle school girl at my work said the only two people she would punch without provocation are Hitler and Trump
HutSutRawlson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like Hitler and Trump have both provoked being punched.
batteries69 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:49:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A middle schooler used the word provocation?
Lizziloo87 ยท 200 points ยท Posted at 15:02:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle schoolers aren't morons. Some of them can talk lol
golgol12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure lol is their native language.
isotaco ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure aol was mine at that age.
meshaber ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many syllables.
RaeADropOfGoldenSun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:54:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You realize middle school goes up to age 14, right?
Darth-Pimpin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just what kind of idiots do you think kids are?
Robinisthemother ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:18:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also a middle schooler OP works with?
Banshee90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nambla internships
Robinisthemother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
North American Marlon Brandon Look Alikes?
MidnightRanger_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:54:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If so I think she's earned the right to punch them without provocation.
Daddy_0103 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...I'm sure the girl didn't hear her parents say that. O__o
Goat17038 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:26:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How else would she learn words?
Daddy_0103 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't tell if you're joking, don't have kids, or keep your kids locked away from people...so I'll answer.
Aunts, uncles, cousins, older siblings, family friends, visiting adults, TV, Internet, etc.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:10:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it because im from canada that i consider a 13 year old capable of using...dare i say it.... Words, being mormal, what the hell is going on here
Robinisthemother ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 15:20:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kindaconceited ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:33:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do you call a Mormon that became average?
Kalros ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:30:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like being normal, but in Canada, eh?
threestardot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:27:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are words without sentence structure?
thegodsarepleased ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't think that's it
raddits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Come on man, I know you wanted to contribute a story but to blatantly make up lies to fit in.
unknownhero96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
American middle schoolers are probably not capable to use these kind of difficult words. /s
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're from Canada, why haven't you apologized yet? And since when did Canadians replace the letter N with M?
Leguar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trying to say he/she made it up? Don't be ridiculous!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:04:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like 90% of the stories in this thread, is probably made up.
Not that provocation is a big word for like what, a 11 year old? Cmon
RaeADropOfGoldenSun ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:53:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle schoolers go up to 14. Provocation is a perfectly normal word for a 14 year old to use.
TheScoresWhat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From reading all of them I would say 100% are r/thathappened
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:21:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because children making stupid jokes and repeating what their parents say is just so unbelieveable. /s. Get out of here /r/nothingeverhappens/
imlesmartest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was the attitude she expressed
Angylizy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My 6 year old used the word stethoscope the other day, she didn't hear that from me, you can't assume people are stupid just because they are kids.
Welshgirlie2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard a six year old use the word 'combined' correctly in a sentence the other day.
TheScoresWhat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/thathappened
Piano_ManT ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:42:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
" Trump and Hilary are on a plane and it crashes into the ocean. Who survives?"
Answer: America
Pretty hilarious coming from 6th graders
friendsomewhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember variations on this joke both election cycles ago. I heard it first in elementary school, and then again in 8th grade/freshman year, and now once again in college.
makadamianut ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:57:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom's an administrator, told me one of her school principals had an incident where a student (kindergarten I believe), came up to her crying and when she asked why he was crying, he said his friend called him Trump and said he was a wall-builder.
snarkravingmad ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:58:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach elementary in an international school. I've overheard my students say they are scared of Trump and think he will cause WWIII.
whitew0lf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not totally wrong
FoxyLoxy56 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach kindergarten and we watch some educational YouTube videos from time to time. Lately the ads have been political and even though I try to scroll down before they see them they still know what it is because they see the ads at home. For some reason we only get Trump ads and I have had many kids go "eww Donald trump. We can't vote for him!" I have yet to hear anything pro Trump which is nice.
liquidDinosaur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:30:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Consider installing AdBlock on your classroom computer? If that doesn't violated policy, or something. And if you have ethical problems with AdBlock remember you're literally Doing It For The Children.
FoxyLoxy56 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can't really install anything ourselves but I'll put in a tech request for it. Thanks for the idea!
stillragin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ad block and media litteracy =s it's going to the weird teaching these things to kids
ReachFor24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's interesting. All of the political ads on YouTube that I see are Pro-Hillary. I'm sure location has to do with that.
ZapatosDeMarca ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:56:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Kindegraten, but I'm a preschool teacher. Lunch time often produces the best conversations. Earlier this month, one of the kids said something about Donald Trump, not exactly sure how it came up. One four year old girl replied "Not Donald Trump, Donald Duck! It's Donald Duck". Another 4 year old said "my dad said Donald Trump is a bad guy". The first 4yr old said. "Donald Duck is a good guy".
They then left it at that and began to talk about different kinds of yogurts.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Sweetie is your dad is an idiot. Build the wall!"
Newarkia ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:26:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but my little brother in 1st grade came home one day and said, "Donald Trump is a big bully!"
boar-b-que ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:36:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This little kid gets it. He's 100% spot on.
catastrophichysteria ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:26:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister has multiple students in her class that refer to Clinton as "Hilary Kittens" and it makes me giggle every time she talks about it.
churchey ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:24:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've been an elementary school teacher since the last election cycle. I'm also in a suburban area in TX (relatively democratic compared to most people's ideas of what TX is).
Kids repeat what their parents say. Since I'm in a charter district I have a mix of very upper middle class kids and very low income free-and-reduced-lunch kids as well as many in between.
Pretty stereotypically, it's the upper middle class kids who repeat their parents' thoughts and lean republican and the lower class kids who repeat their parents' thoughts and lean democratic.
As you may expect, the upper middle class kids are the ones who talk more about it. However, they are just as misinformed about it as their peers. Republican echo chambers are a horrible thing and while most of these kids will probably become democrats in highschool or college, some will never develop the critical thinking skills/rationalizations/backbone to ever question if they really agree with what their parents are raising them to believe.
When I taught 2nd grade I just told them not to repeat what their parents say before thinking if it is appropriate, informed parents if it ever got too ridiculous from a particular student (because NO parent I've dealt with has wanted their incredibly racist/classist political views repeated in public for the other parents to find out about), and told the kids that politics is a discussion you have at home but not in the class.
I'm currently teaching 5th grade and I've opened it up to discussion a few times. My kids (mostly regardless of socioeconomic class, with a few exceptions for students newer to our school) are very high performing. As perspective, about 22/26 in my class were identified by Duke TIP.
This is all personal anecdote so don't take it as gospel, but several white students were more vocal about their pro-trumpness, obviously grandly affected by their parents views. Many minority students were undecided. They understood many issues in the campaign and my students as a whole understood the arguments of both sides, but my minority students were the ones who asked questions like, "If no one likes them, why don't they just pick someone else?" or "Why do people vote for X candidate?"
This of course leads to discussions on why kids should be in charge, which I curb immediately with "write me a persuasive essay on why you think that will happen and if its good you'll get X incentive" because we really don't have much time to be 'off-topic' about the election, let alone dumb fantasy thought experiments. Hate to do it, but that's my reality at the moment and several students actually follow through on the offer.
What's interesting is that these kids, who are normally great critical thinkers and have very open minds to new ideas, burst out at the beginning repeating their parent's thoughts, whether they be pro-trump or pro-clinton, then get very quiet when they don't immediately get the validation from myself and their peers because I won't validate either side with my own opinion while teaching, and their peers often have different opinions. In MY opinion, the impression I receive is that they expect everyone to hold this same view, and are unaccustomed to this "vote trump because clinton is a crook and trump will make us rich" or "vote clinton because trump is a clown" being NOT being instantly validated. They expect it to be the one idea that's correct and agreed upon by everyone. That the world is made of their side and idiots, and anyone who disagrees being an idiot. They don't (for the most part) think of me or their peers as idiots, and so not receiving that validation is a new experience.
For many, like their parents, they have never even heard the other side because whenever it comes up in the debate, their parents deride it or dismiss it without considering it. Why would they do any different?
Hopefully this confrontation of other ideas can "set them straight" into realizing that they need to think and not just accept others words as fact, which is something I try to tell them, even about my own opinions.
Being a male teacher, the girls are hesitant to bring up the Clinton "girl-power" ads and talk about body image, no matter how much I encourage a safe-space and try to be open. It's an odd time for them, their bodies, their minds, and their emotions; I don't expect many to have the courage to discuss it in a public forum or even with me although I'm sure one or two will eventually. I know it's on their minds because the boys aren't so hesitant to discuss it.
Ever since the "Grab a pussy" comments, students have been less vocal and less interested in discussing it. I'm not sure if this is because parents have cut off political talks at home and are trying to shelter them, or if it's finally made them have a real conversation with their kids about it and hammer home the point that politics are not something to discuss in public, which while not necessarily correct, a good idea to teach kids until they've learned more about social graces and open-mindedness.
I will say it is MUCH, MUCH harder to remain non-partisan in this discussion than the last few election cycles.
I'd be happy to answer any specific questions.
edit: Also forgot to mention, my school is 67% minority, 33% white. 2nd largest population is south/southeast asian and 3rd is hispanic.
serene420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
good post
AMA_ABOUT_DAN_JUICE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for sharing this.
churchey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime :)
oIJet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can 67% be a minority?
churchey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get this question a lot! 67% minority refers to multiple minority groups. 23% South Asian, 11% African American, 17% hispanic, etc. Add them all up and your school is mostly minority. Even if the "minorities overtake the majority" in my school in particular, these classifications of groups are based on the general population. Similarly, historically black schools like Grambling are still minority schools.
gobblegobbleimafrog ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:27:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teaching in Korea at the moment. My students are terrified of Trump. Apparently he said he would not defend S. Korea if the North were to attack. I've asked each one of my classes what they think of Trump and Hillary. Not a single student has had kind words to say about Trump. They all support Hillary. Make of that what you will.
majoroutage ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:27:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That kids are gullible.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:48:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I might do that with my games name one really unpowerful character "Donald Trump" and watch it get the shit beat out of it. Thanks , /u/QueEo_
wbgwbg ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:56:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My dad says Hillary stole furniture from the Whitehouse."
CreatrixAnima ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... he's not wrong....
betoski ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:01:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a computer lab T.A. I remember hearing a kid say "I hate Trump." Another student responded, "I think everyone does." The kids also like to look up pics of Trump that have been photoshopped. I think the kids, at least the smaller kids, don't really understand why so many people dislike Trump (they repeat what they hear at home/T.V.) I feel like these generation of kids will remember Trump as a kind of joke.
Atheistic_Alex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They already do.
Gargantuanthud ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:47:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I shared this with my wife as she teaches grade 1 and was just telling me a story on Friday. She teaches, and we live in, N.B Canada. She says that everyday during lunch time the kids (who are 6) play who likes... Example: who here likes popcorn raise your hand, who here likes Pokemon raise your hand, who here likes pizza raise your hand, etc. The kids say them out to one another one right after the other. On Thursday one of her students asked who here likes Donald Trump (which is very out of the blue since they are 6 years old, we are all Canadian, and her class doesn't talk about politicians or U.S issues). But as the one kid asked almost all the other kids got riled up and said they hate Donald Trump. One kid said "No, guys... Donald Trump is a really bad man", another said "no he's terrible", another kept repeating "he's becoming just as bad as a lawyer", another kid said if "he ever came here he would kick Donald Trump in the face", another quickly said "I'd shoot him if he ever came here"... And then with the violent comments she then shut down conversation and comments. But yeah, 6 year olds in Canada are even concerned about Donald Trump.
funkisintheair ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:47:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An elementary school kid I babysit was playing with a friend and called him a waste. I told him that he couldn't call another person a waste. He responded "Donald Trump does it, and he might be the next president." I don't even know how to deal with that
royal_rose_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a nanny. One of my kids came home from school and asked how far away Canada is. We live in PA so not far. I thought he was just curious but then when his mom came home he begged her to move because "Trump is going to start world war 3! And Canada is safe"
Triquestrian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:03:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a class of 7th grade boys. One boy said he wanted Trump to win because he would build a wall and he had good ideas. The other boys told him he was an idiot and that building a wall was a stupid idea.
I don't know what made me happier: that Trump's idea was simple enough to appealed to a 12 year old boy, or that most of the 12 year old boys thought Trump's ideas were stupid.
graphix62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds about par for reality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe Trumps ideas were too complex for 12 year olds to understand?
Triquestrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure his plan for a wall is: 1. Build wall 2. Make it huuuuge 3. Blame someone else when it doesn't work All his other plans are secret. But they're the best plans. Everyone loves them.
Cdnteacher92 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:17:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian, but while my grade ones were writing about their favourite foods and sports, one of my kids came up and asked me how to spell "Donald Trump goes to the library." No context at all. Not sure why either, but looking forward to reading his work.
Cannon1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:09:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: My students who are here illegally are worried about Trump deporting their family; that is sad.
etoile_fiore ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:18:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but this is what my 9 year old said in a conversation I had with her yesterday: I asked her if she doesn't like Trump because I don't like Trump, and she said no. She said she doesn't like him because he doesn't pay taxes when he tells everyone else to pay them. I asked her why that's a bad thing, and she said that it's like having lights in your house. If you use them, you have to pay the bill. She said taxes are the same thing; if you use anything that is paid for by taxes, you need to pay your fair share... pay your bills.
Zonarion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She for sure heard that from someone.
etoile_fiore ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:33:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, my daughter is very intelligent. She's not your average nine year old. She is already wanting to know what college has wildlife management degree programs so she can work in and run a wildlife refuge center that takes in foxes, owls, wolves, and some other animals.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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etoile_fiore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter wants to be a scientist and will spend her life defending herself, having to prove she's good enough and smart enough. Yeah, I'm proud that my 3rd grader is reading at high school level. Her mom should be her biggest cheerleader.
caroja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you 100%.
iamdodrizzle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:20:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im a high school student and our orchestra teacher is telling us to stop eating in the band room because the art room next door has a rat problem. My stand partner asked the teacher, " Why not build a wall to stop the rats?". The teacher then replies to my stand parter, "We can and we will make the rats pay for it". We ended up not building the wall due to lack of money and the band kids still ate in the band room.
needanacc0unt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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iamdodrizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:44 on October 23, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im in orchestra...
yehwa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:23:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once had an eight year old disabled girl, unable to move well or speak, communicate to me on a piece of paper, "trump is stupid".
vanessalovesturtles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:57:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary school teacher. Trump's name is banned in the classroom because some students have bullied other kids by telling them that their family is going to get kicked out of the country soon.
I have students that burst into panic attacks at mention of Trump. They don't really care about Clinton.
Hookerboots12 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:53:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my 10 year old sone came home from school and told me that Hillary Clinton was going to make women's only parking spaces and they were going to be bigger than everyone else's, that "her husband has had the 's' word with a lot of women when he was president", and she a butthole.
Trump it was he wants to put up a wall between Mexico and us, he hasn't paid his taxes, he rips people off, he has rabies, he eats bugs, he drinks toilet wine, and he sucks. My son calls him the "annoying orange with an over comb".
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:29:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
His hair is pretty awful and he is orange
ToroZuzuX ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump = Annoying Orange?
Hookerboots12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give it a comb over and it's strikingly similar. I had never heard of it until he said something about it.
foxymama04 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:05:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a teaching assistant, but I spend most of my time in one specific third grade classroom. I was sitting on the floor in the back looking at some resource books one day, and the students were coming back from the restroom. Thinking that no one was in the classroom, most of the kids began to chant "Go Trump" and "Hillary for prison". I consistently overhear conversations about how great Trump is and how Hillary is a liar, all of this from third graders. I work in a pretty affluent district, so it's safe to say these kids are hearing this stuff at home. And if I ask any of them why they support Trump, they don't have any real reasons besides "because he's awesome!"
Mintception ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:17:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Massachusetts. I work with kids typically in late elementary and middle school. They have been making fun of Trump since last September, and have never taken him seriously. They have surprisingly profound thoughts about him that are no doubt fueled by the parents but still show some semblance of their own ideas that Trump is a joke to them.
I've never heard them talk about Hillary.
i_izzie ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:40:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was middle school so it makes it worse in my opinion. Students told the Spanish teacher that Trump was going to deport her.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:15:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a far cry from my classmates talking about how hot our 7-8th grade Spanish teacher was...
DeadlyPancak3 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:43:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Elementary, but middle. I also work in an inner city school, where about 77% of my students are black, 22% are hispanic, and the other 1% is mostly asian, with like... 4 white students in the whole school. I'm white, so the students make some pretty fun assumptions about me.
"Mr. Pancak3, do you put mayo on everything?"
or
"Mr. Pancak3, do you like Kelly Clarkson?"
I usually laugh these kinds of things off, but then this happened:
"Oh, I know Mr. Pancak3 is voting for Trump. Right, Mr. Pancak3?"
I had to nip this in the bud - but we're not supposed to make our political opinions explicit as teachers. So I told them this, "If a racist cheeto with dog hair on one end said it was going running for President, would you vote for it?"
"No..."
"Me neither."
VitaMortisCareo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:31:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an elementary school substitute teacher in for a district where over 90% of students are Hispanic, so this first part probably won't come as a surprise. While younger students don't really talk about politics, older students (4th-6th grade) have a lot to say about they hate Trump. During lessons about the election they'll often just raise their hand so they can say something about his racism or about how he's an idiot. I once had a 4th grader try to start chanting FDT (Fuck Donald Trump) in the middle of class. So yeah, he's almost entirely hated by them.
They're pretty neutral about Clinton. Some students have mentioned they heard that she's corrupt, but that's about it. Despite all this, they all want her to win because they understand that she's Trump's opponent and that's what matters to them.
It really makes me sad that these kids have to watch this shitshow go on because for them this is their only exposure to presidential elections. They must think it's this bad all the time. I worry about what this is doing to their perception of American politics in general. It's a shame that instead of getting to see a normal election (although there is still some mudslinging) their first experience is this nightmare-circus where the focus seems to be on the spectacle of it all rather than the direction the country is going to go in.
superiorspiderman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my girlfriend's little sister is in 4th grade and thinks that Hillary Clinton is "trying to take our guns away". Her family is an avid hunting family and I had to explain to her that nobody is trying to take away hunting.
She then said "Well.. I don't want her to win because I want to be the first girl president".
skilliard7 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton is in favor of extending gun control regulations. Her proposal will take away 2nd amendment rights away from families that have not been convicted of a crime.
SubstituteBusDriver ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:53:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If Hillary is elected president, she's going to make white people be slaves." 6th grader
theelephantscafe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:03:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory "not a teacher" comment, but I talked to a woman (her partner is a black woman) who's 6 year old son was asking, "So Trump wouldn't like Mommy? Why not?" and she had to explain racism as delicately as she could to a 6 year old. Then her son said "well how would they feel about you?" and she had to explain they probably wouldn't like her either because she's a lesbian and doesn't look very feminine. At which point he got very sad and said "But that isn't fair, you're both nice and not mean."
On the flip side I've heard 8 year olds say they want Trump to win because they think he has funny hair, so.
joevsyou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know a 50+ year lady who belongs in elementary school...
""I am on the trump train and if you are Christian you should too" Hillary will take away our Christianity!"
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both of my parents are voting for Trump. My son is eight and has been vocal about why this is a bad idea, to no avail.
I've tried to explain to my mom that Trump views women as secondary to men, and she said, "It's not like he raped anyone!" So... groping is okay, apparently. I told her to read a newspaper once in awhile. Yes, I know he's innocent until proven guilty, but there are warning signs for this kind of behavior for a reason.
My dad won't change his mind either, but he at least had actual facts to back up his dislike of Hillary. He then told me she's probably going to win anyway, but he can't bring himself to vote for her. So as much as I disagree with him, at least he's not being batshit crazy about it.
(And I did mention Johnson/Weld as an option, and he said he doubts that they'll have the votes, and he doesn't want to "waste" his vote.)
joevsyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
crazy i swear. glad your father isn't too far like your mom. The way i see it i vote for Hillary before trump as she would do the least amount of damage. I feel like we will stay right about where we are with Hilary while with trump we will take 2-3 steps back.
I most likely end up voting for johnson even though i don't care for him but, if you can just throw the balance off of the election blocking trump and Hillary from getting 270 there is a chance that the house will pick neither Hillary or trump.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I keep wavering on who I'm voting for, which has never happened to me before. I was set to vote for Johnson until I found out he doesn't know where certain countries are located. I feel like it's possible for him to learn geography, however - Hillary can't take back the lies she's already told. But she has more political experience than any other candidate.
joevsyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:05 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I feel like Johnson is just attempting to play the media game by messing up questions to get coverage and it worked to lol. But hey I don't think he's really smart either.
There is a a lot of crap about Hillary but she sure does have experience and isn't stupid.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:08 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
It's good having a discussion where some Trump supporter isn't telling me that my ideas are wrong, just because I don't want to vote for that mutant Oompa Loompa. (Okay, that was petty, but it felt good to say it.)
Atheistic_Alex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she's a Christian...
joevsyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:58 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what you when you are brain wash and follow a party
satans_sparerib ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:28:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8 year old told me that another student at school insists that Hillary Clinton likes when babies die after dark.
BauerHaus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but an afterschool program employee.
Not a mention of Hilary but Trump:
Is missing a leg
Has fake hair
Had his liver replaced (I didn't hear the context of this one)
pistachiopaul ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:37:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school teacher here, but the worst I've heard is a completely non-ironic, "I can't wait until Trump wins and kicks all the gay people out of the country."
KaitieLoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a student teacher in a 7th grade science classroom. We recently gave them a "What is Science" test. One of the questions was "True or False? Evidence gathered in an investigation is useful only if it supports the hypothesis."
One student answered "False. Unless you are Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton!" I laughed so hard.
sim14789 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:08:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Canadian kids care a lot about US politics
RESET-REWIND ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember someone on tv likening it to sleeping next to an elephant. Even if it farts, if affects us pretty strongly.
Yoshimods ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact about the Canadian educational system, we don't learn solely about Canada. We learn about a lot of different countries, and what they were like in different points o history. I just finished the section about the French Revolution. We also learn about the differences between Canada and America, something that Americans don't really learn about.
intentsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they don't want Canada overrun with refugees fleeing the US
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:19:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a Ed Specialist so I work in classrooms with general ed teachers rather than have my own. One kid came by my office last year looking pretty upset and asked if he could just work with me for the day because his substitute announced she was voting for Trump and he felt uncomfortable. I decided to go check out the class myself and this woman indeed shared repeatedly that she was a huge Trump supporter, in addition to screaming at and berating 11 year olds. Needless to say a lot of kids came by my office that day.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...you...you did file something about it right?
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to know what happened next, also.
Nohbdysays ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:59:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my special needs kids who is of voting age declared loudly to the class this past week: "I don't know about you guys but there is no way I am voting for Barack Obama!!" So I guess there's that
skilliard7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/kenm
NOBAMA 2016
DownvoteIfuLuvHitler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:09:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach English in Japan. Overheard two eight-year-old girls in Japanese talking frighteningly talking about Trump and Clinton.
"Trump, Clinton, which do you like?" I asked in English. "Clinton" they both said. "Why?" I asked. One responded in rapid Japanese: "Because North Korea is launching missiles and Donald Trump is crazy!"
bowserJC ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:23:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I overheard my nieces speaking about Trump. We're American Muslims, and this was after the Muslim Ban nonsense that he was spitting out a few months back... they were talking about where they would go if he won and one says to the other "I'd go to Florida" the other responded with "Florida is still America and he can still get you, we have to hide another place" As funny as it was, it's truly sad that they even had to think of that.
tricep6 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:50:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
10 ft HIGHER
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:07:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Screw Trump and Clinton 'Vote for Pedro'"
TheWierdAsianKid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:40:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but was a counselor for a summer camp. I had russian siblings (brother and sister probably in 4th or 5th grade) and they could not be more different. The girl was definitely a bit racist because she made some bizarre statements (something along the lines of "the future will be black and white so we know who's good and who isn't"). The brother very smart however. One day the whole group started debating Trump/Hillary and the girl kept yelling for Trump without giving reasons and the boy calmly supported Hillary even though he acknowledged she isn't a great candidate.
srymsjacksonOOO ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:41:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First Grade class: Each student was allowed to "vote" and they had to circle Trump or Hillary. One ballot had both names crossed out and "shut up" scrawled underneath. I concur.
LailaR ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:43:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, my five year old daughter calls Trump the "man Donald Duck." She further postulates that he's "mad at everyone happy." Frankly, I agree.
ItsGonnaBeARager ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:08:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my neighbor, whose Mexican, had a bday party for his kid and they got a trump piรฑata. While my neighbor was carrying it to hang it up I told him to stop so I can take a picture of him and trump. A little kid, who happens to be white, maybe 7-9 years old said "that's the only time you'll see trump with a Mexican".
I cracked up.
Amphibology29 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:08:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other day my kids came up with a Trumpdiddlyumptious bar, like a Wonka Scrumdiddlyumptious bar. When I asked them what it would taste like, one replied, "Weird... and angry."
masonxstorm91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little sister is 10 and she told me that some boy in her class was going to leave the country if Trump won so she wants him to win so the boy will leave cause she doesn't like him
ZippyTheChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your little sister is smart
manova ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:13:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kid said that Trump says mean things and is a liar. Hillary is also a liar. Therefore, he wants Hillary to be president because she only had one thing wrong with her and Trump has two.
abruce123412 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you using progressive comparison to find out who your child supports? Just ask them
MadScientist22 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:33:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach a coding class (using a visual programming language called Scratch). One of the kids, aged 7 or 8, made a game where you control a flying dove with the goal of pooping on Trump.
His mom was not amused and tried to explain that it was mean. However, that was heavily undermined by his dad and us teachers involuntarily smiling every time Trump got pooped on. I'm still impressed that he chose a dove and drew it holding an olive branch.
reestronaut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 13 y/o sister straight up called my uncle an asshole because he said he supported Trump.
aymalah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:56:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 12 year old daughter came home from a friends house complaining Hillary Clinton is going to take away her guns. She doesn't have guns. No one in our house has guns.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:58:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats just bad parenting, no one is above the law. I feel bad for the kids but its entirely the parents fault.
throwaway13579_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:43:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have cousins that age and I've observed a few classrooms that age and all they talk about is "the wall".
Me:Well, sweety (to my cousins) why don't you like him?
Kid:"Well just look at him! I mean, a wall?"
Me: Well do you know why he wants to build a wall?
Kid: "Yea, cuz he's a gaylord!"
rayncloudz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:15:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle school here... When my students aren't freaking about clowns, they're chanting for Trump. Probably because Trump embodies the typical loud mouthed middle school bully.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Righto! /u/rayncloudz , have my upvote!
costantinople ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:55:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Second grader: "No one should vote for Trump because his mouth looks like a butthole. "
Amaranthology ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:03:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter made a Redstone voting booth on Minecraft. If you vote Trump you fall in a lava pit. Vote Hillary and you get diamonds from the sky. She said anyone who wants to deport her best friend should burn. She's scary.
TBestIG ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:40:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister is seven. She calls Donald Trump "The Orange Guy" and says she doesn't want Hillary Clinton to win because she wants to be the first woman president.
Tin_Fins ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:06:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at an inner city school this summer teaching 4th grade. Before their track break (year round school) one of the Hispanic students asked me if I was going to vote. I said yes. She then pleaded "Please don't vote for Trump, he is a racist and would do bad things to my family."
9 year-olds should not have to fear an election...
iburnaga ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It really highlights how many kids have undocumented parents. That is very concerning. Our immigration system needs revision as it's obviously not working.
beazley26 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:13:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It could imply that, but it could also be that the kid is just afraid of what will happen to her family because of stuff Trump is spewing.
Regardless, yes, the immigration system needs to be fixed.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:23:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My husband, his parents and their parents were born in this country. And probably at least one other generation, beyond that. Yet his last name isn't 'Smith' or 'Jones,' and he's got Eastern European ancestry. This causes a lot of people to mistake him as being one nationality or another.
It was funny to me when people who didn't speak English would approach him and speak to him in their native language. It's not funny anymore. It only takes one person assuming they know his family history better than he does, and my entire world could fall apart. Trump and his vitriol caused this for so many people. Nobody deserves to feel like this.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WOW, ignoring the elephant in the room
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't know why their parents would be so cruel as to push their own fears and exaggerated worries onto their children.
It's fucking sick, when you think about it.
Funkydiscohamster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily the parents. The election is inescapable and children can make their own minds up. I was sick with worry about nuclear war back in the 70s and it wasn't anything my parents said.
hazenthephysicist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A comment below:
arclathe ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:30:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't work in an elementary school but I work as a nurse with mentally disabled adults, which is kind of similar. I don't bring politics up, like ever but the staff where these people all live tends to leave CNN or some other 24 hr news station on all day. The residents all dislike Trump. Many of them also really liked Sanders. I'm not sure if these are opinions they formed on their own or just adopted opinions from their staff but they do often say Trump is a very mean man.
I think that is somewhat enlightening that people with a low IQ can actually see Trump for what he is and people with a marginally higher IQ cannot. I mean I had one patient who was confused as shit. She couldn't tell you what day it was, couldn't tell you where she was. Thought she had bugs crawling on her but damned if she didn't tell me everyday that Trump is a vile man. You have to be willfully ignorant to like this guy.
MrSnurbd ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:09:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My great-grandmother is very similar. Severe memory issues and just not in the best state of mental health, but anytime she sees Trump she instantly remembers him. "Oh I hate that man!" Usually accompanied by sticking her tongue out at the TV. Kind of hilarious. Same kind of thing, couldn't tell you where she is, who her family is, but if she sees Donald Trump she knows she hates him.
mistervanilla ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:09:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the difference between looking at the message and the messenger. On a visceral level, Donald Trump is angry and argumentative, he raises his voice and gestures and carries himself in a certain way. Take away what he is saying, and you are left with an angry and upset old man.
Regular people tend to listen to him on an abstract level where he is communicating concepts and ideas. If those concepts and ideas are aligned with the notions of the listener, they will perceive him as positive.
arclathe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That actually makes a lot of sense.
serene420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ah glad to see someone has a good understanding as to why these things are so "polarizing"
zuqui23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i only like the parts when he says about cutting taxes(trump) but i know hes lying
Dejohns2 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:23:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not lying. He will cut taxes. But it won't be for anyone in my tax bracket.
intentsman ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe some of their opinions came from the TV being on all the time
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and seeing what an awful, vile person Trump is.
I agree with you.
skilliard7 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Liking or disliking Trump isn't a matter of IQ. It's a matter of what you believe the role of government is and how much you care about personality traits.
BizGilwalker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:38:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This entire thread reminds me of 4th and 5th grade before the Bush/Kerry election... The amount of insane things the churchy North Carolina parents would tell their kids about Kerry was unreal.
-> Kerry would start WWIII
-> Kerry would kill small children
-> Kerry would make everything cost twice as much
-> Kerry wouldn't let any white people go to college
... North Carolina is a silly place
oogachucka ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:59:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
North Carolina is weird...the smaller towns and rural areas are ridiculously churchy and fucked up like you find in the deep south, but many of the cities like Raleigh, Asheville, even Greensboro are cool and laid back and more like what you'd find out west
BizGilwalker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Charlotte is more progressive than most southern places... but for that election and this one, the crazy has been oozing out lol.
Cayou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not go there.
KurtCobainsBrains ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:10:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have a segment in our classroom where I pick a student to tell a joke to everyone and I picked a girl to tell a joke. She said "Trump and Hillary are both stranded on an island together, who wins? America."
ScorpionX-123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna use that at parties.
oWatchdog ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:38:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no teacher, but I was chatting with a kid at recreation center. I don't deal with children very often, but I knew I disliked being talked down to, so I crouched low and spoke to him as I would an adult. We spoke about Trump, and he told me that Trump has god's will on his side and he's going to win because his pastor prayed for him. I asked him what would it mean if Trump lost? Without warning he slapped he across the face and told me don't ask stupid questions before stalking off. I've never wanted to hit a kid more in my life. It wasn't until later that I felt bad since he had to have seen that behavior from somewhere...
lilswagboy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:29:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I little kid slapped me in the face I'd be going to jail
28Shadow ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:38:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
So you're willing to beat a child so badly that you would be incarcerated?
ChiefSparty10 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students love to repeat what they hear at home. I get lots of "Trump is a bad man" and "Hillary Clinton is a liar and should be in prison".
I teach in the American Southwest and the saddest comments I've heard come from students of Hispanic backgrounds who are genuinely scared for themselves and their family's because of the 'build the wall' rhetoric that Mr. Trump promotes.
As an educator I try to use these comments as teaching points for why it is important that we do our own research and formulate our own opinions. As a human being who cares for the mental and physical well being of others, I make sure to reiterate that the students are safe and that Mr. Trump will not be building a wall, not now or ever.
Dolphin_Gokkun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt know the technical difference between a โwallโ and a โfenceโ but in San Diego we have 20 foot high, solid steel panels. Iโd call it a wall. Thatโs what Hillary approved.
Hereโs Hillaryโs wall in California. This is an example of what went up in 2007 after Hillary voted in favor of the Secure Fence Act.
EinsteinNeverWoreSox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is /not/ 20 feet.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Iwanttolink ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They could, but one isn't.
Fkhx ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:15:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interestingly the class did a mock poll and Gary Johnson had the most support in front of Clinton and then Trump.
Dejohns2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:26:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dole won the vote in my 2nd grade class' mock vote.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:01:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4 year old daughter said Clinton was pretty but "the old man" wasn't.
CoherentFrost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Points for the
Lady_Legasus12 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:35:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm student teaching right now in a Kindergarten class. One little boy is a history buff at age 5 and two weeks ago he asked me if I knew about Donald Trump. I said I did, I read a lot about the election. He looked at me and said, "Donald Trump is an idiot. I'm going to dress up as George Washington and run for president."
I'd vote for him.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:02:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too!
ha_psych ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:05:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant but not relevant. Back during Bush vs. Gore I solely wanted Bush to win because my school's election had his picture on the blue side and Gore on the red side. I liked Blue so I picked Bush. I was in first grade and find it ironic now.
KenethNoisewaterMD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but when I was in 4th grade my class wrote letters to then President, Bill Clinton. In my classmate's letter, which I proofread, she called our president a "baby killer". I'm sure you all can guess that I grew up in the good 'ole Bible Belt.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bill and Hillary come from Arkansas though...I'm not sure I understand why they caught hell form their home country.
That girls parents must have been very heavily baptist...
Spacetree003 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Ehh..they usually mimic what the they hear at home. Take that for what you will. I'm not going to go into specifics though and use my present or former kids to reinforce any one point for some weirdo.
Side note: teachers who espouse their political views in class aren't professionals. X.x
ShadowWolf58 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:22:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heavily respect people that believe in your side note. Thank you.
LainieBarbarian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked with kids age 5-10 this summer and the ones who had heard about Donald Trump were saying he was a bad, crazy man who wanted to build a wall. Also a decent amount of the kids were Iranian, Chinese, or children of immigrants so I don't really blame them
c0gen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:28:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had one third-grade girl tell me Hillary Clinton is evil because she killed 4 Americans. (Benghazi)
Though most of the kids talk about how mean Trump is and how he is always angry, that he's a bully, etc.
It's funny because these K-4 graders frequently ask each other "who are you voting for?" They also ask me this question sometimes but obviously I'm not gonna give them an answer
I think the answer to this question is highly dependent on the area you live in though since almost all kids just parrot what they hear their parents talk about at the dinner table.
dysenchantd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:31:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preschool teacher here! We found a snail in the playground, the kids voted to name it Donald Trump.
Chichochle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a K-8th title 1 school in Phoenix. I had a 5th grade student who was in the corner of the playground crying by himself. I assumed he had an issue with another student but when I asked what was wrong he told me "I'm afraid that Donald Trump is going to deport my whole family".
nickipps ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:42:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'd vote for trump because he has the best memes" -kill me
InsomniaAbounds ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a parent, and my fourth grader came home the other day saying that Hillary becoming president was a sign the world was about to end
abicus4343 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, out of the mouths of babes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you know, children just repeating things they hear.
abicus4343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did u really feel that had to be explained?
Diknak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet the same person said that about Mooslim Obama.
CoherentFrost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, that's probably going to happen either way.
murrayky1990 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:46:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I taught as a substitute last school year in a rural county school system. Kids from 1st through 12th grade were full on drinking trumps kool-aid. They would complain that Hillary/Bernie will shut down the coal mines, and that we need someone who isn't a politician to fix things. No doubt they heard all this from there parents. Things may have changed in the several months since I left that job though.
colonelcrash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Third graders playing with air dry clay, one makes a trump figure and a Clinton figure and makes them fight. One little girl said that Trump just needs more love in his heart, and that was a very kind and grown up thought.
AhhBisto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:53:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher or American (British), but my 4 year old niece says that Trump is "always angry and looks fed up" and that Hillary looks like her Nan (my mother, they share a similar hair style and not much else).
She also once confused the word giraffe with draft and was disappointed when she couldn't find the prior in my house.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've counted 22 South Park references and they're all different
zyphor77 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where I tutor, we have a very simplified "wheel of fortune" that kids can spin for amusement. It's right behind my desk. I overheard this conversation:
"If it lands on a two, you're Miley Cyrus."
"Ewwww. Gross! I want three to be Bernie Sanders."
"If we have Bernie, then Donald Trump can be 10."
laughter
Then I hear the clicking of someone's spin, until it stops.
"Oh MY GOD. YOURE DONALD TRUMP."
"NO."
All the kids are dying and tumbling all over. I'm laughing my ass off. Regardless of topic, the Trump accuser has volume issues. He's being really playful.
"Run! She's gonna BUILD A WALL and TRAP US!!!"
"IM GONNA PROTECT MYSELF!!!"
At this point I was dying. Another teacher had to come over and ask them to quiet down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone hates trump, but they at least no why. I've even had fourth and fifth graders watch some debates. The important thing is that they know WHY he is an idiot, and not just parroting what their parents say.
When I taught first grade ten years ago, the first graders had to write "raps" as an assignment. It was in quite the liberal city that also had quite a few families directly affected somehow, so I expected maybe one or two to mention the war or their dads leaving or something .
What I didn't expect was an hour long Bush-bashing rap contest with raps CLEARLY written by their parents. When asked them why they held particular views, or why they were against the war, or ANYTHING- blank stares. Every one of them. I just wanted to write a message home to all parents saying,
"Dear parents,
This is sad, and you are sad. If you want to make a difference, your 6-year-old's classroom is the wrong place to do it. Write a senator. Get out and vote. Stop making me sit through this.
Signed,
Your kids teacher who is trying to teach your kids to have their own opinions and viewpoints with supported evidence."
For or against the war, I don't give a shit. Teach your kids what you want, but don't force them to blindly follow you. Each side thinks the other is "brainwashing" their youth. I think if you teach them the whys and the wherefores it isn't brainwashing, as long as you can justify your belief.
The bipartisan system has created drones. No one cares about issues anymore, just parties. If tomorrow the candidates just decided to switch sides, each party would still fully support their candidate, because it is their candidate.
All of this was never made more clear than when I was watching 6-year-olds spew out their parents views without knowing why
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we never pushed ideas on our kid, encouraged her to think for herself, but she grew up to be an NPR-listening centrist/liberal anyway.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah definitely, we have the right to raise our kids as we see fit, but don't raise a blind follower. Have discussions, ask questions, etc
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's so much better to hear what they're thinking and just answer questions as they come. If you try to stuff their heads with your own ideas, you'll never know who they really are inside.
I guess some people are afraid their kids will stray from the "right path" if they don't control their thoughts from a young age.
NeonSapphire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So in other words, you succeeded.
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Funny story - she was on her way to Bonnaroo earlier this year and texted me "Who are you for, Hillary or Bernie?" So I text back "Hillary". We didn't discuss politics much for a while after that!
Ramblingmanc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:59:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My youngest sister has just finished primary school and started secondary (so I think in the US she would have just finished elementary school and started middle school? She's 11). She was chatting to me about the US election because she likes discussing the news with me and my dad. After a BBC News segment about Trump's comments about women she said: "Mr Trump and Mrs Clinton both seem like bad leaders, but Mr Trump seems a lot worse, so why don't people pick the less bad person?."
Don't know whether to be proud or sad that she's become a realist so young.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:03:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary but middle school teacher. The kids are extremely vocal about it but have no clue about the actual candidates. Im in a very Hispanic area and the kids joke about being super into Trump. Unfortunately, some kids don't understand it's a joke and get super agitated for and against it. It's really bad. The worst was when we were watching student news and a white autistic kid started going off on how smart and right Trump is and how we should get rid of all the immigrants, in a classroom of immigrants. First time I ever had to tell a kid to actually shut up in order to stop a beat down. Had to pull the student aside and explain that the other kids were joking about being Trump supporters. I'm not taking a side with the kids or telling who I am voting for but I also don't want to see a hate crime.
l0bbym3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have been waiting to tell this story!
I work in Washington DC. Previously in congress, and now for a lobbying firm. I'm pretty fresh out of college and my mom is a teacher, so she always gets me to come to her elementary school and give lectures to the students.
One day, I was privileged to speak to a group of second graders about the significance of the symbols of the United States of America. I wasn't really used to speaking to such a young group of people, so I wasn't sure how to end the talk.
I opened the floor for questions and I got a variety of off the wall stories and questions. One that really stuck out was this little girl who asked very seriously "Is Hillary Clinton going to go to jail?"
At this moment I was almost speechless because I hadn't prepared for this type of question. Fortunately the teacher helped me out!
michiruwater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Title 1 middle school. Most of the comments I've heard have just been generic anti-Trump crap, but I teach music so I have a lot of the best students in my classes. However, there has been a definite, noticeable increase in bullying, negative comments, and people making fun of each other for their born characteristics this year. I have some transgender students, and while playing Nina Simone for them one day in choir a girl who is the only definite Trump supporter in the class (and whose father teachers at the school) started making fun of Simone for 'sounding like a transgender', which understandably upset the transgender student right behind her who asked her to please not. The girl in question then got pissed for being called out and started yelling about politically correct stuff, so I paused the class and started talking about spreading love, etc. I have to be very careful to try to get my kids to be nice to each other without actually addressing the politics, which is a lot of fun. We just had an assembly about spreading love and the Columbine shooting a few weeks ago, so I went back to that and how we need to be kind to each other. The Trump supporter rolled her eyes the entire time. It was an uncomfortable moment, to say the least.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I knew a girl like this when I was in high school. She sat at a table with the only openly-bisexual guy at our school, and they were friends. And then she would go to sociology class with me and talk about how she thought bisexuality was "a cop-out," and "those people" should just make up their minds. Her mother taught at my school also, and was equally narrow-minded, which caused me problems when I took her class one semester. She had a last name that was sort of synonymous with the term 'ass-hat,' and it suited her.
My goal in life is to make sure my son doesn't spout nonsense like this.
CircleLamp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After school teacher in Southern California. All the kids want Hillary to win, But they were much more excited about Bernie, when he was running. I haven't really heard any support for trump, but their are some kids who say with a low voice, "my parents are voting for trump"...
Globetrotbedhop ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:47:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students hate him. Its hilarious. They make up terrible jokes and all sorts. One was trying to joke with me that becauase I never commented on their rants I liked him. So I rolled with it, told them he was a genius and I wish we could vote for him in Sweden. They were horrified. When I told them I was winding them up ive never seen more relieved and annoyed kids. Then they tried to high five me for my prank and I dabbed them.
Teachers *pranking students is fucking hilarious. *what ten year olds consider pranking
mcerb ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my after-school students had a melt down because he thought Donald Trump might win the election.
1olive ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When transgender bathrooms were a hot topic, my 5th graders were having a discussion about it and one girl said, "Hillary and Obama want boys to go in the girl's bathroom and girls to go in the boy's bathroom."
collegebender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:20:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach out in rural Oregon, had to talk to a lot of kids about saying 'Hitlery Clinton'. It's been really difficult, I pride myself on being neutral during election years and it's a great time for lessons about the importance of differing political beliefs and checks and balances (I teach fifth grade). But I have students genuinely afraid they'll be deported in November and a candidate who routinely says thing inappropriate for an elementary school classroom, can't wait for December.
jennca ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students here in Canada think that if Trump gets elected then he will start a world war. (Grade 5 student)
Chickadee4ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They might have the right thought process.
TheFleur ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:26:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 5th grade Catechism. We were talking about how God loves everyone no matter who they are or what they believe. One student says, "He doesn't love Donald Trump." And another adds that, "Trump said some bad things about women." It killed me a little inside, but I told them that God loves Donald Trump too. We discussed how if Trump truly felt remorse for his words and actions and asked for forgiveness, God would forgive him. But yes, they have eyes and ears and more sense than adults. I'm so proud of them and am sad that they are exposed to this disgusting behavior. I can't wait for this election to be over.
morgisboard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but on first day of this school year, one of my friends had a Trump supporter in her class (he's apparently new and from Colorado or someplace) who instead of introducing himself said "I support Donald Trump because he's gonna kick out all the Mexicans!"
This is in El Paso, mind you, where 8/10 people are Mexican. He got a lot of stares.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:31:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the 5th grade boys "supports" Trump. He is being bullied because of it. The other kids refuse to sit next to him, they won't touch something that he's touched, if he gets close, they freak out. I've had so many discussions with them and with their regular teacher (I'm their art teacher, so, I only see them once a week) about it, but, nothing has changed.
Mr-Yellow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the same reaction the media is having ;-)
lolpeepz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't condone bullying but the kid has to learn that supporting trump is bad.
aintnufincleverhere ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This sentence feels backwards.
GavinET ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, supporting Trump is not bad. He's allowed to have an opinion (even though he may not be old enough to fully - and I say fully as in he might have some sort of clue, not like he's totally uneducated - grasp the situation). He shouldn't be berated by his classmates because he likes Trump, bottom line. Who he likes is none of their business to be bullying him, no buts here.
I think Hillary Clinton's horrible but I don't go up to people that like her and call them idiots. I don't treat them differently.
SargeantM ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Latino friends nephews say that trump will deport them and their families.
CheezyDonut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:18:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Hillary or Trump but a 10th grader who just got his license won't stop saying he's going Ted Cruzing down the street in his '64.
RedfishSC2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:28:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle School teacher here. This one seventh grader is a general pain but only because he's really freaking smart and gets bored easily and solves that by distracting his classmates.
Anyhow, this Friday, last period of the day and I'm just totally done by this point, I have to make him sit on the other end of the big table in our room because he's distracting his friend. I tell him to imagine a wall across the table that blocks him from talking to his buddy. He looks up at me and, without missing a beat goes, "Mr. Redfish, for a wall that big, you'd need Trump."
I had to pretend to have a reason to walk outside the room to laugh so they wouldn't see me crack up.
swampfish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:29:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is in elementary school and told me that Trump put quarters in his piggy bank to fill it up then puts his bills near the top so people think it is full of bills and therefore richer.
His older sister questioned him on the validity of this fact.
He responded that it was true because he watched some of the debates and Hilary said it.
This is why we don't let kids testify in court.
catfayce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:35:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Brit I probably understand as much about the US election as an elementary school kid and I'm hoping for the apocalypse
caroja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Educated and compassionate Americans of all ages are hoping for the same.
hilarity-clinton ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:45:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle school teacher. One girl explained "Hillary plans to kill us all when she is president." I assured her neither candidate planned to murder every American citizen upon taking office. Another said "Hillary has a disease." When I asked which one, she just shook her head and repeated (with emphasis), "She HAS a DISEASE."
JZPotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's got ya there
Connelly90 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:26:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100% of the political opinions my young students share are just reflections of their parents' opinions.
I've had to include a whole lesson on the Syrian refugee situation to clear up that they're not all "lazy sponges just coming to the UK for benefits and to squash our way of life!"
Sonja_Blu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, good on you for doing that. Most of them probably won't listen, but maybe you'll get through to a few.
Connelly90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We do a population and migration topic in Geography anyway, so it seemed to fut perfectly.
You can tell the kids have been misinformed about the while thing; maybe by media, maybe by parents I don't know.
Sonja_Blu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably both.
elmersglue188 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids think Donald Trump is the president.
Big_Yazza ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:40:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really answering the question, but I'm from an Australian high school. Here, Trump and Hillary are the butt of a lot of jokes. The general consensus is that Trump belongs in a mental asylum and that Hillary belongs in jail. The toilets have pro-Bernie propaganda scrawled throughout them.
Pepperpwni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students are terrified of a Trump Presidency. Most of them are afraid that if Trump is elected, he will deport their parents and make them "orphans." Breaks my heart, they are truly torn up :(
Bara_Chat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:18:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live and teach in Quebec (Canada), which is considerably more left-wing than the US as a while. Here he is perceived by most, if not all, adults I've talked to as he single biggest moron the world has ever known. So evidently the children view the man as an idiot too, even if they don't know why.
Speedy_Cheese ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Not elementary, but a high school teacher in Canada here. The students talk about the election A LOT (between dabbing, evil clowns and bottle flipping). They mostly talk about being scared for America and what it will mean having Trump as the leader next door. But here are some of my favorite student comments on Trump (I actually started writing it down because some of it is priceless):
"At first it was funny, now it's scary. I thought something like this could only happen on South Park."
"He is like all the worst things a person can be in one person."
"I don't want him dragging us down with him."
"He looks like he sleeps in a tanning bed."
"Oh miss, I'm so thankful for Mr. Trudeau."
"What is his problem with immigrants? They should just come here, we have a lot of space and we don't care."
"FUCK DONALD TRUMP. Sorry miss."
And my personal favourite:
"Lots of Americans are going to want to move here, miss. We'd better let them in, I mean we can't leave them down there with that."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't put Trump's campaign better myself. ๐คฆ
Gswansso ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:25:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My favorite story came from my girlfriend, who teaches 3rd grade at an inner city charter school with a predominantly Somali population:
One of her students comes up to her during recess and asks her who she's voting for. Not wanting to open that can of worms, she replies she wasn't sure yet, but asks the student in return who she wanted to win...
"Blah Blah Trum"
"Sorry, who?"
"Blah Blah Trum"
"You mean Donald Trump?"
"I don't know his name but I don't know who the other people are either"
Now here's the part where the story stops being a little funny and gets a little sad. The same student comes in a few weeks later and walks up to her teacher and says:
"I don't like Mr. Trump anymore"
"Why's that"
"All the adults say that if he wins we all have to go home to Somalia and I don't have any friends there and I don't know who's class I'm going to be in when we get there"
So yea, it's easy to paint refugees and immigrants with a broad brush, but kids are worrying about who's getting elected because their worried they might have to move as a result, and that's a little fucked up
thefinalturnip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd know that pain all too well.
N573 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:52:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a school teacher but I worked with 9yr olds at a summer camp and one told the joke "Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are on an airplane that's about to crash, who is saved?".... "America"
RalphIsACat ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:57:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a teacher this thread just makes me nauseated. Different topic, heard a teacher tell her students that Obama had banned the pledge. Seriously, how the eff is she a teacher???
itsmolls ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:17:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Preschool teacher here: I heard the kids in my class discussing the upcoming election at the lunch table a couple months ago. The conversation went a little like this:
Girl 1: My dad said you shouldn't vote Trump because he makes bad choices!
Girl 2: But Hilary Clinton makes bad choices too!
Me: Whoa, whoa. What are we talking about over here?
Girl 1: How Donald Trump is bad and says not nice things.
Girl 2: My dad says Hilary tells lies.
Me: Right. So who am I supposed to vote for?
Boy: You could vote for that other guy? I don't know his name.
Girl 2: Or you could just not vote.
Girl 1: Yeah. Just don't vote!
And all 17 preschoolers in the classroom all started slamming their fists on the table and chanted "DON'T VOTE, DON'T VOTE, DON'T VOTE"
It was like something out of a movie.
habitswroteshould ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They got this election figured.
ShadowWolf58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately not. I loved my Government teacher. One of the things he taught us was that the Greeks had a word for people that didn't participate in he election of the leaders of their governments: idiota
KayeChan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:51:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lunch Lady here for a 5th and 6th grade school. Boy: "I want Trump because he can help pay off America's dept!" I just smiled and said "Oh!"
mesocookie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"We can't let Donald Trunk win because if he does he will make all of my brown friends go away." -my niece
mrg52782 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:09:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If Trump wins, the world will end, but if Hillary wins she'll kill us all and make it look like suicide. What do we do?"
1thowe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:09:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went to a private Christian school in kindergarten and apparently the teacher asked who the devil was. I said 'bill clinton'
PaulSupra ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:30:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teach 6th grade elementary at a Title 1 school and we watch CNN Student News every day. The kids HATE Trump, in fact it's like the worst insult in school to say "YOU like Trump" to another kid. Hilary they like and are rooting for against Trump, but the one person they are all captivated by is Barack Obama. You will never see a 6th grade classroom shut up and listen like they do when President Obama is speaking. Truly gonna miss the guy, politics aside he's been a great role model and inspiration for minority kids
Dionysus24779 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:37:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like straight up indoctrination.
PaulSupra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How on earth is anything I said reminiscent of indoctrination
Thrownitawaytho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CNN
PaulSupra ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:40:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had three Trump supporters accuse me of indoctrination from this comment and I get the feeling not one of them has ever watched CNN Student news.
Dionysus24779 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:50:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming something equivalent exists, would you watch Fox Student News with your students everyday?
PaulSupra ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:36:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you actually watched CNN Student News? It's literally the most ho hum summary of the news that happened the prior day. If you can watch it and point out where these kids are being "indoctrinated" I'll consider finding something different
Dionysus24779 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:39:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is CNN Student News seperate from CNN's obvious bias and agenda pushing?
It just sounds like a weird coincidence that your students dislike Trump and root for Hillary and watch something CNN related everyday. It just sounds a bit one sided.
PaulSupra ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What reasons would a bunch of inner city kids have to support Trump? Aside from CNN Student News, you don't honestly think that a bunch of black and Hispanic students just MIGHT have their reasons for not liking Donald Trump?
Dionysus24779 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And are these black and hispanic students aware of Hillary's many and much more severe flaws?
After all the media is constantly going on about how racist and sexist Trump is, so I don't think it comes to anyone's suprise that students of minority groups only exposed to that view aren't liking him very much.
Hell, just today it hit the internet that CNN is basically claiming a monopoly on tell people what is the truth, because reading or possessing the leaked emails (that also imply CNN is part of the conspiracy) is illegal, except, conviniently, of course for the media who will tell you what to believe.
Maybe the CNN Student News is different, but I find it very hard to put any trust into any news network that operates like this.
"Don't go check the facts for yourself, you get the facts from us."
But don't get me wrong, I'm not intending to defend Trump or any of his bigotry, but your initial statement just sounded like this whole issue is treated in a very one-sided manner.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you need to sit the fuck down and watch CNN student news. Jesus christ, I think you are the one who is indoctrinated here
Dionysus24779 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that's your answer.
I'm just trying to be sceptical.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean you have never seen CNN student news and just attacking OP because it has CNN in it, displaying your ignorance. Literally all the students news has is a punny young adult anchor talking about major world events from the past day
Dionysus24779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I asked earlier about if CNN Student News is different and does not promote CNN's bias and agenda.
If your description is true and CNN Student News is an objective source of information that rationally highlights both sides of all issues then I was wrong.
Sorry for being concerned that students got a daily dose of news from a program obviously affiliated with a biased and agenda pushing untrustworthy news network.
Still, maybe it could be considered to mix it up a bit and have different sources of news and maybe compare and talk about it, but maybe they're already doing stuff like that.
I do fondly remember back when I was in school and we would compare how different newspaper would report on the same events and issues and see for ourselves how different sources can paint quite the different picture.
But I'm just rambling now, so now that everything is cleared up I hope we're done.
Psyanide13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you really gave a shit about this you wouldn't have suggested Fox News.
They stuff 10 lbs of lies into a 5 lb bag.
Dionysus24779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't see how CNN is any better, hell Hillary is even one of their top donors.
But I'm glad you admit a bias towards CNN over Fox News, either that or a simple double standard.
Psyanide13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fox News spews a constant stream of actual lies. You can fact check them and they are only true 10% of the time and mostly true 12% of the time.
They are just flat out false 29% of the time.
I have a bias towards facts and reality and Fox News does not represent reality or facts.
Dionysus24779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:12:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know I've linked to it before, but I just have to repeat this.
They're outright telling you to not bother checking facts for yourself and instead get your facts from them...
But I don't think I can convince you of anything and I'm fine to just disagree.
Psyanide13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to fact check every news site. Don't just trust one because it says shit you like or hates who you hate.
But Fox has a long history of of lying and be proud of it. They are the fucking worst and the bullshit Trump says is the same shit Fox has been saying for decades.
Dionysus24779 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:33:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right in that you can't trust any news site.
But again, I don't see CNN doing any better with their lies, deception, agenda pushing, bias and being paid off.
But we're just spinning in circles at this point so let 's drop it.
Psyanide13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you compare Fox News to CNN on Politifact you get these...
Fox News:
True 10%
Mostly True 12%
Half True 19%
Mostly False 21%
False 29%
Pants on Fire 9%
And for
CNN: True 17%
Mostly True 37%
Half True 21%
Mostly False 9%
False 13%
Pants on Fire 4%
So nearly 30% of the time Fox News is just flat out false and if you add in the mostly false, half truths, and pants on fire you get a whopping 78% of the time. So nearly 80% of the time Fox News says anything it is at least a half a lie.
While adding the same sections for CNN puts them at 47%, which is bad but not anywhere near Fox News level of bullshit, CNN still manages to 37% Mostly True.
But go ahead and keep bitching about how CNN is just as bad as Fox News when it's clearly not.
Dionysus24779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really have to, you've already admitted that CNN is really bad at telling the truth.
Fox News being worse is actually kind of unimportant, it was just an easy comparison and some provoking hyperbole, I'm sorry we got so fixated on that.
Maybe it's still not a bad idea to seek out a more reliable and unbiased source of news, especially when it's given to students on a daily basis.
And if CNN Student News is indeed flawless in this regard it is a shame that it is associated with such a network.
Psyanide13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not unimportant. It's incredibly important that they misinform voters to such a high degree. It's complete bullshit.
Dionysus24779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I fully agree with you on that, though the very same is true for CNN because again... obvious bias, no suprise with Hillary being one of the top donors of course.
I meant it was unimportant in the context of what we were talking about, which was about students being fed a daily dose of a CNN associated news show, that's all.
PaulSupra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of the more politically aware do have an idea of how the Clintons were bad for black people in the 90s and the "super predator" quote as well as private prisons. But even knowing all this it's pretty much the consensus among 6th graders that Hilary is more fit for president than Trump. And frankly I don't think this is due to media, is there a more appealing side to Trump that we don't know about? Or is it that the same things he says to rile up his base just happen to be extremely racist, xenophobic, sexist things that alienate everyone else?
Dionysus24779 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think for many people it's enough that he just isn't Hillary.
That he's anti-establishment and doesn't want to go to war with Russia is like an added bonus.
But I can't really speak for Trump supporters and know what they think, though I do often hear that the media's attention is on these racist, xenophobic and sexist supporters while the average joe who's a regular american doesn't get much attention. (I guess the fanatic supporters who're crazy enough to call for civil war if Trump looses are just the better story)
But I also cannot speak for your students of course, their reason are their own and if they're at least aware of the crooked and shady things Hillary is involved in and still support her... well at least it's an informed choice.
And I don't think you can ask for more than that. (having an informed choice I mean)
Spacetree003 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teacher to teacher question here. Why CNN? Unless you're doing a lesson on bias and propaganda, CNN is pretty bad. :/
PaulSupra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:36:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting the feeling here that you've never watched CNN Student News
Spacetree003 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Afaird not. Is it anything remotely like CNN? Haha.
PaulSupra ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:28:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just the news, they say what happened. Any opinions the kids have formed on presidential candidates have been on what they've witnessed from them. And being that my kids are 100% free lunch and mostly Hispanic and black, a lot of them don't like Trump
orthogonal411 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:38:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love how some of these Trump supporters think it's just inconceivable that someone might not like Trump. As if Trump hasn't given any perfectly legitimate reasons not to like him. And since that's true, anyone who doesn't like him must have been "indoctrinated."
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for mentioning this. I'm homeschooling my son and he loves to watch the news, but I worry about what channels he's using as news sources. So many of them are skewed.
TrashyTeeVee ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Getting them started early with the CNN lies and bullshit propaganda. Yeah Barry is a wonderful role model LOL https://youtu.be/eRfUNvUp3PQ
PaulSupra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't tell if serious or not
Cursethewind ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:36:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher, but I mentor some kids.
One of them said to me today that Clinton shouldn't be president because she'll get irrational during her period.
This kid's a 12-year-old girl, and I'm a bit concerned about whatever is influencing these thoughts that a woman can't be qualified to do such a job because of PMS, and that a woman isn't in control of herself during her period.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell the kid about menopause and see if that quells the PMS fears.
Cursethewind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I did. I also corrected her on the fact that women can control themselves during PMS, and that if they can't they need to talk to a doctor about it.
CarshayD ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:51:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Grown ass women believe this too. One of my classmates proudly stated in class that Hilary would be on period/PMSing, get so mad 'cause she "cant control her emotions" and blow everything up. Just 100% serious.
Cursethewind ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know.
This girl probably learned it from her mother and sisters, all of whom have major difficulty controlling their emotions in general. It's likely it's just accepted they fly off the handle and blame it on their period. I'm her mentor, and my purpose is to prevent her from continuing the cycle of poverty. This notion that women aren't in control of themselves during their period is a self-fulfilling prophecy because it's just expected to not be in control so there's no purpose in trying.
This shit really pisses me off. I just hope that she sees that I, and many other professional woman are able to remain in control. Else, it'll limit what she sees as her own potential.
intentsman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt Hillary has had a period in over a decade
WestIndianLilac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Says a lot about them too that they make that extreme leap. I have a genuine hormonal issue and unmedicated, I get very unstable at that time.
BUT, there is unstable, emotional, extremely irritable and then there is nuking everyone.
Even if Hillary was pre menopausal and suffered terribly from PMS (and if she were she would have the meds), why is the leap not "yeah, she might yell at the press secretary for nothing and create an atmosphere" or similar realistic options?
Why does it have to be she might "blow everything up" :s
OneLastTime1997 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:17 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She's like, 68...
TrashyTeeVee ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:25:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm more concerned about her Parkinson's disease that she is hiding from everyone.
Cursethewind ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:33:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not voting for her, but, for fuck's sake you, nor the person who started this rumor, is qualified to diagnosing somebody. No doctor who has any sense would diagnose a person with anything prior to actually meeting with them. Any doctor who has done such a thing is not going to inform the public due to it being a violation of HIPPA.
Marimboo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:34:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is a librarian at an elementary school. She often hears "Hilliary should be in jail" from. From first graders up to fifth graders. When she asks them why they just say "that's what my parents said so it should happen!" Or variations of that
darling_lycosidae ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:17:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a 100% Latino school. A couple of weeks ago many of them paraded down the hall to recess chanting "Fuck Trump, Fuck Trump, Fuck Trump!" I think I saw a 1st grader in there. Very passionate.
el_Di4blo ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's so realistic, haha did that totally happen? I can really believe it hehe xd
tmcallister ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:39:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in my first year teaching instrumental music at the elementary level. I need to recruit my students to play instruments (it is optional) and also help pick it out for them.
A few weeks ago, a teacher told me "the kids don't want to play trumpet because it sounds like Trump."
Thanks Obama.
serene420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kek
intentsman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can they play oboe instead?
tmcallister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I would be fine with free nationwide instrument healthcare.
(was that the joke?)
ZPTs ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:47:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my elementary age kids watched the debates with us. We told them who we support and why and let them take it in. They only really reacted to Trump's anger.
funnyAlcoholic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:19:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first experience with presidential debates was Clinton / Bush, things were a lot more difficult and boring back then. There was no obvious crazy maniac.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its really just one....
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:09:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a Trump fan, but it's possible to dislike a candidate without supporting the other.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:28:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 17:33:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to call you a fucking retard.
aahrg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand if you don't like Trump, but you're delusional if you think Hillary is a good choice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just imagine if she gets elected... (shudder)
TheNaughtyMonkey ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:47:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly the same thing that those same students say on Reddit, I would suppose.
Basically, stupid shit their parents told them.
:)
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:28:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smiley is unnecessary
p6r6noi6 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's completely necessary. How else would you know that they're a smug prick?
theivoryserf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sixes don't look like 'A's.
ersatz_substitutes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought about it, but they kinda do look like a backwards a in fonts like Times New Roman.
p6r6noi6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to 13-year-old me thinking up a Battle.net username. I already figured that out.
Pace2pace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
7th grade but I thought it was funny "whose that girl whose running?"
redstreak57 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher but an after school coach for elementary school kids. During the time they had the voting booths at the school some kids came up to me crying saying "trump is gunna be president all those people are gunna vote for him."
JawAndDough ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some 6th graders wrote 'fuck Trump' in the bathroom once. Lots of Hispanic population where I live so I can see why.
thisisthehardestpart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preschool teacher in a blue state. I'm actually hearing less about this election from the kids than I did in 2012. My favorite comment was a girl talking about watching the news with her family. "We had to go in from outside and my family was all watching about Donald Trump." "Oh yeah? Who is he?" "I don't know, a singer? He's not a good singer I think"
Silvyrish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Several of my first graders last year asked what number president Trump was. Which prompted all the students to start disclosing their parents political beliefs and argue about Trump and Obama.
dukechaz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lower socio-economic middle school in the southwest. Most kids think Trump will deport them to Mexico.
new_old_mike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Ronald McDonald House sent a medical check-up truck to my school. My students (mostly Somali Muslims, many of them refugees) were on the playground near the truck when they all suddenly started chanting "Donald Trump! Donald Trump!"
When asked, some of them alluded that The Donald was "in the truck" for some reason, but elementary kids say totally nonsensical stuff all the time. These are all non-native English speakers though, so I personally like to think that they were all just trying to say "RONALD TRUCK! RONALD TRUCK!"
Bobby_Hobby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi! I teach K-5 (I'm in the media center). During the primaries the kids were obsessed with learning about all the candidates. We would regularly check out books to them about Ben Carson, Hillary Clinton, and George Bush (they thought he was Jeb Bush). Kids almost 100% of the time take on the beliefs of their parents, and just repeat what they say. So far, I've heard that Donald Trump is crazy and Hillary Clinton is going to jail, so pretty much everything that adults are saying. Honestly, though, they're not talking about it much. I think parents are (hopefully) shielding them from this truly disgusting election.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a big family supper, my daughter, who is in kindergarten, says, "My teacher said Trump is mean."
ih8umum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that using a [serious] tag is very important for a post like this
degabk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They parrot stuff from media and their parents. Actually learn quite a lot about parents by hearing what the kids say.
ChrisInNJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They just held a mock election, and most of them voted for Trump, but I had to help one little 5th grader and she wanted to vote for Johnson
Flying_Lead_Change ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give her a high five from me!
sadurger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little sister's friend that's in 1st grade said that she likes Donald Trump because he sounds like Donald Duck.
sodacan511 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:40:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sometimes substitute at the elementary level and it's actually depressing the things you hear in school about politics. So many children have all these misconceptions about what's happening in the country. Many believe trump is going to deport anyone who is not white, and that Clinton is an honest person. (IMO both candidates are poor choices) Also, when asked the question "are cops racist?" they answer yes, but if I word it like "are black cops racist?" They say no. It's actually a tragedy what the news outlets do with headlines like "white cop kills unarmed black man".
bufftart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
agreed
NoonecanknowMiner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only semi-relevant, but all the people in my high school hate both but hate Hillary much more. They also hate Obama.
useless42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5th grade teacher in Utah here. While I am in Utah, I teach in a more ethnically diverse part of the state. I haven't really heard any comments about Hillary, but for my latino/a students Trump is something of a boogeyman. I've heard them crack jokes about him and call people "Trump" as a derogatory phrase, but they do have a genuine fear of him becoming president. Like, they had to confirm that I, as their teacher, was not a Trump supporter - Which I later found out was because if I was I would clearly want to deport them. Even from my Caucasian students, the consensus is either to be silent or speak out against Trump as well.
Bodily_Inscribed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a Title One School in the Inner City. My third graders got a Scholastic News, with a picture of Trump and Hillary on the front. I ran into this super naughty girl with a marker that she had clearly jacked from my class, as it was one of my dank scented markers.
Now usually I don't mess around when it come to jacking my dank scented markers. I thought about getting her in trouble until I saw that she was vigorously scribbling out Trump's face, saying, I quote, "My momma says f this guy."
I just chuckled to myself, asked for my marker back and sent her on her way back to the lunch room.
Kwells1994 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach math at an urban high school in Baltimore and talked to my students about the first Trump-Clinton debate, just because I wanted to get their insight.
They do not like Trump, most don't like Clinton either. There's kind of subtle, underlying myth that Trump is going to send them "back to Africa" if he wins though. Pretty interesting, but yeah, my students absolutely loathe Trump.
superfudge73 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My freshman students voted overwhelming for Trump in our mock election. In our classroom discussion the consensus was that it was because he was funny and tough. One of my students asked when the next "show" was on? I said what show? He said "the show where he makes fun of that stupid bitch". I believe he was referring to the debates.
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mississippi?
superfudge73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Southern California. However I should note that these were special education students but I didn't want to mention it because I know some asshole on Reddit would make a "hur hur retards like trump" comment. The special ed students are not "retarded" they have learning disabilities and some are quite bright, they just face challenges in the regular education classes.
Martini4624 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory not a school teacher, but I was a camp counselor this summer. One of my campers had a nightmare that Donald Trump was going to come with a group of clowns and attack our cabin.
squiggles_the_clown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
possible
pbonetheman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:04:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach second in a neighborhood that is predominately Mexican. There are many who come from migrant families. The other day I passed out a Scholastic News that talked about the voting process and the candidates. All the kids started groaning about Trump and saying things like "he hates Mexicans and my dad is from Mexico." All of the students started to angrily cross out his face. It was a weird collective moment of disgust.
Pomgilus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher, but I have a few kids. My oldest daughter is 11, and my son is 5. I was watching the second debate while they were in the living room, and my son said to me, "Mom, when I grow up I want fluffy gold hair like that guy." And my daughter responded with, "Oh my god, (brothers name) if you ever have hair like that, I'm shaving it off in your sleep. It's gross." Lol!
My oldest has mentioned quite a few times how stupid she thinks Trump is. But the best comment from her was, "Mom, if you let me swear at home, I'd call him an A-hole, but you don't so I won't." Lmao!
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:25:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is eight and he watches the news, asking me to watch with him. We'll hear something about Trump and he'll turn to me and ask, "Can I say a swear?" And if I'm feeling generous, I tell him to go ahead, and he'll say something like, "Donald Trump is full of poop."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:06:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my 7 year old daughter told me not to vote for trump because he doesn't like Jewish people and that she likes a Jewish boy in her class.
cobbs_totem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 9 year-old daughter, along with her classmates, repeated rumors that if elected, Trump was going to take over Minecraft and turn it into TrumpCraftโข. I guess that's one way to frighten a child.
Eaudemoose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach Mexican national kids who are an the US with visas. They are here because their family has either experienced a kidnapping for ransom, or are afraid that could happen if they continued to live in Mexico . They are terrified of deportation, despite being here legally.
alewis1227 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a fourth grade teacher at a school in Texas where over 75% of our student population is Hispanic. I watch CNN Student News with my students in the morning which is a 10 minute show featuring current events from around the world.
Every time the election is discussed on the show, the students have very strong negative opinions about Trump. Anytime Trump is said to he doing well or winning a state (during the primaries) the students groan or say "Noooo!!!"
Immigration is a huge issue that the students know a lot about, considering some of their parents are not U.S. citizens. There was actually a pretty big dispute over this between two of my boys (one white, one Hispanic). The white student's grandfather showed up to school with a "Make America Great Again" hat. His Hispanic best friend was very offended and started to cry at recess saying that his friend's family is racist and doesn't want him in the country anymore.
I have actually never heard any opinions on Clinton.
RunninSolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is crazy that kids are being affected so strongly by this. I can't remember what I was doing during grade 4, but I sure as hell wasn't worrying about elections.
alewis1227 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. They are well aware of what is going on, which is a good and bad thing sometimes.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Boys have penises, girls have vaginas" -Kindergarten Cop
ElderCunningham ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I work at an elementary school in the mornings, and tutor underprivileged kids in the elementary age range in the afternoons. One of the girls I tutor asked me who I'm voting for. I told her Hillary, and she said, "Good. I hate Trump. He wants to deport my dad."
aaronfoster13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many of my Hispanic kids get very uncomfortable when they hear his name
Brokenshatner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a kindergartener who said she hopes Hillary wins. When asked why, she just said "because I heard Trump on the radio", like it explained everything. And it kinda did.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister teaches in an inner city, several kids think they're getting deported if Trump wins.
S1RandG1RL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 2nd grader told me we shouldn't vote for Hillary because she wants to ban pizza for school lunches....
theBackground13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:41:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boys have penises and girls have vaginas
brethrenelementary ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my coworkers was bragging that her 6 year old son said "Mommy, if Trump wins, he's going to kill all the black people." She laughed and said how smart he was.
I think it's kinda bullshit that this kind of ignorance is encouraged in kids. Whether you agree or disagree with Trump's opinions, he's not Hitler and he's not going to order people to be sent to gas chambers. We need to stop telling kids that the other side is evil, let kids form their own opinions, and correct them when they're way off.
intentsman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what a President Trump would or wouldn't do. Hitler didn't announce the gas chamber plan until after he was elected.
AriellaX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's very close to Hitler, but the name has been thrown around so much through the years. You don't know your history. They both began their campaigns with racist arguments and went on with a lot of us vs. them. Trump is truly frightening.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:38:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that his theory should have been encouraged, but so many people wanted to ignore what was happening in Germany, even as Nazi troops took control. Trump may not be the sole aggressor in the way things have been since he announced his desire to run for President, but he's been a catalyst for racist behavior to escalate. And it's not simply racism, it's misogyny. It's insulting people who are different, in any way.
Fishercat5000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Niece and nephew "Trump is a poopyhead."
ra01062 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a second grader tell me that she thought Trump should be elected so that, "We would have someone to blame all the bad things on." Her kindergarten sister also said he was evil and would destroy the world.
Luckily I'm good friends with their parents and we had a nice laugh after. I asked how they knew that about Trump and their reply was a simple, "Well my parents told me so!"
valove123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A letter an 8 year old wrote to Mr. Trump http://imgur.com/a/g3vXw
SuperDaleCooper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sub here, had a long term 4th grade job. A student looked up "Hillary Clinton naked" on his laptop. I was both amused at the absurdity and upset that he used his laptop in an inappropriate way at school
kaseyeeyo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Elementary teacher from a very blue state, here.
I had a sparkly blue-eyed six year old look at me through his mop of curly blonde hair and whisper, "Donald Trump is a liar" when I asked the kids if they knew who our candidates for president are.
I also have a lot of ELL kiddos (english language learners, mostly hispanic and middle eastern) who are terrified he's going to send their parents back to their home countries.
In addition to that, most of my kids just flat out don't like Trump because they hear him say mean things on the news and debates. We talk a lot about using your words to help, not hurt, so that's probably why they're so focused on it.
Not much about Hillary. Everyone's pumped about the idea of a woman as president, but it's not like they're familiar with her economic policies or whatever. They like her pantsuits.
EDIT: Just thought of something that's old news to me, but some people might find interesting. In the two districts I've worked for, we have very specific guidelines for how to discuss the elections with students. They're written into our contracts. Pretty common-sense stuff, like you can encourage high schoolers to vote, but not who to vote for. You can work for a campaign, but you can't make any calls or texts related to it on school grounds or during contracted hours. You can wear campaign materials on your own property, but you can't put anything on actual school property. So for example, you can wear a Clinton campaign t-shirt inside your classroom, but you can't make your classroom computer's desktop background say "Vote for Clinton."
Hemlock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Made me smile.
AZGzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Love what you do, and what you are doing. Have a blessed day!
kaseyeeyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really nice of you, thank you. You too!
Tigerlily74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Substitute teacher in a very red state. I teach at a very low income school. This is what I hear. The Hispanic kids are terrified they will be sent back to a country they do not know regardless of the fact they are legal. They may have a neighbor or family member who is not therefor they think they will all be jailed or deported. A large percentage is deeply offended by what they hear. A black friend of mines 9 year old daughter was told, "When Trump is President, You are gonna have to be my slave."
kaseyeeyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's horrifying the things I hear from the intermediate teachers. Older kids think it's funny to be controversial. First graders don't really have much of a clue yet, but they're really in tune with the anxiety they see in the adults around them when it comes to this election.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, middle schoolers, I mean....
Carlsinoc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who is a substitute teacher in inner city schools of LA. She's white and every class she goes to they ask her if she's going to vote for Trump.
KingKippah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:00:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember chanting on the bus home from 4th grade one day 'Up with Bush, down with Kerry!' As if a single one of us actually gave a fuck.
countdownkpl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My seven year old neighbor said he'll move to Canada if Trump is elected. He must have pretty solid resources for being seven.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 9 year old came home and told me a kid told her that Trump is going to start a war and Hillary is going to ban all squirt guns. The choice is clear: hands off my Super Soaker!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not Trump or Clinton, but the other day a kid in my class asked "Do people sometimes put microchips in their skin?" I said, "Yeah, some people do that." "Why? Maybe because Obama?"
I nearly lost my shit. Had to take a short time out.
ASideOfVeal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The students in my classes are pretty predictable. I know most of the parents and I know their political leanings. The students say what their parents say....
ralpher313 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL that kids are WAY more into politics these days. Also I'm very glad that my parents didn't try (and aren't trying) ideological indoctrination with me.
eman00619 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher or anything but my friends younger brother said he wants to vote for "The guy who looks like a suprized turkey."
JazzFan419 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just relieved to hear we haven't heard a bunch of stories about 8 year olds running around yelling "Grab'em by the pussy!!!"
gourmet_restaurant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:12:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a kiddo say Hillary will start World War III
graphix62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smart kid
McWaddle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:13:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 9th grade English. I had them write an answer to the prompt, "Explain why people should vote for you," using an appeal to logic. My favorite answer was, "Vote for me because I'll never delete any e-mails."
Architecttt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couple of 9 year olds having a dicussion, one kid says he's going to get his hair cut that day and another kid points to a picture of Trump and says, "like his?" Kid responds "No, not like him, because I'll have bad hair and no one will like me."... Couldn't help but laugh at that.
jimmyjrsickmoves ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no teacher but Nickelodeon has been running presidential/election spots highlighting who the two major parties candidates are and even brought up Gary Johnson's as a third party option.
dgaleas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see the one with trump where a kid was impressed he had his own board game?
Brand-New-Teacher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Third grade teacher here. I've been using Scholastic News to teach the election and it had an article about Trump and Clinton in it. As we are reading, I spot one little girl drawing devil horns on Clinton. At that same table is a little boy angrily crossing out the picture of Trump.
grumbly_hedgehog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a summer camp for 5-12 year olds this summer. Part of our activities is a leadership council for the 8-12 year olds with a President, VP, etc. We had a girl running who wanted to "Make America Great Again." After some discussion with her about what it's possible to do at summer camp, she changed it to "Make Camp Great Again." We asked her if she thought camp wasn't great already, and maybe she could use different words to describe what she wanted to do as President. This girl had such a hard time getting past "Make America Great Again."
Enter_Corgi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife teaches under privileged children in Harlem. The majority of her first grade children think that trump is already the president and that he's going to get rid of all the Spanish kids in the class.
Zeldafangirl23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that's so wrong xD
pillowsandpickles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister (6) calls them Donald Dump and Hillary Shrimp-ton.
MANNSAV ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher but I do teach a class of 6 year olds on Sunday. One girl raised her hand and when called upon, she said "did you know Hillary Clinton is a baby killer?"
PlasticMicroBeads ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao its so easy to tell how a lot of these are fake.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is a 1st grade teacher in Alabama, and one of her students told her that Trump wins he's "moving to California." I think he meant Canada.
rachelasaurous ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach video production for middle school. They are always trying to slip in "Anyone but Trump" or "Hilary = Death" in their videos.
But they also try and slip in dat boi so I'm not surprised.
phantomkat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 3rd grade, and I have this student who is the perfect American citizen. For his Language of the Day prompt of "What is your favorite show?" he wrote about CNN. He watches both the presidential and vice-president debates and informs us about what happened. While other students are counting down the days to Halloween he is eagerly counting down the days to Election Day. He is very anti-Trump and will tell the entire class.
The kicker? He is in a dual language class (he's white) so most of the students are Mexican. I already had a parent tell me her son has come back home terrified that his grandparents will be deported.
CanadianFalcon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High School teacher here. My students have asked me "if Donald Trump wins, does that mean the great tribulation will start and Jesus will come back?"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not me but my sister. She teaches a lot of ESOL kids and they are all afraid their parents will be sent back to Mexico.
ZippyTheChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tell them not to be afraid.. that mexico is a very nice place with very nice people that are just like them...
skullminerssneakers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cue many r/thathappened worthy posts
turqfreeq ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:36:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Students, what have you heard your teachers say about Trump and Clinton?
SnuggleBunni69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:45:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 3rd grade in brooklyn. They don't know much about politics, they just know they collectively hate Trump.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, there are waaaaay more little kids that talk about these 2 than I would have ever expected. When I was their age I didn't know or care about politicians at all.
BlastedLafnm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I'm not a teacher. Instead, I'm a parent. It's more shocking to hear what teachers tell their students about the candidates.
hikerguy555 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:58:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Middle school teacher. They very clearly parrot whatever their parents say, which is really upsetting no matter which side they're on as it shows they aren't thinking for themselves.
spolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i heard this from my grand daughter about trump, she is against him, when i asked why she really didn't know, so we discussed policy's only, both sides, and she is against trump for wanting to divide people, and treat people different from how he wants to be treated.
in her eye everyone is the same and her words, we all stuck here together , we might as well get along.
Wisex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory not an elementary school teacher. But my 8 year old sister came back from school and told me "[insert boys name here] says that Hillary Clinton doesn't like my skin color" I didn't know how to respond, but I told her it's obviously a lie and that neither Trump or Hillary hates her for her skin color.
lonelytunes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8 year old student (from the inner city and a Spanish-speaking household) came up to me the other day and said, "Mrs. Lonelytunes, you know what I heard on the news? Trump is making fun of Spanish, and Chinese, and French, and English, and all the different countries. He's being mean. He can't own his own country." After speaking about this topic for several minutes, he stated, "Hillary helps the senior old people cross the street. Rocco Bama helps the senior people, the boy senior people, cross the street too. But Trump doesn't help ANY of the seniors. He doesn't want to help NO ONE. He only cares about himself." He also suggested that Hillary, "Rocco Bama", and Trump should all share the country, so I'm not positive he understands the concept of democracy quite yet...
ZippyTheChicken ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you should have told him about how hillary ripped off the election by having the head of the DNC steal it from Bernie.. and then you should have told him that when Hillary was a lawyer and a little girl just 4 years older than him got raped so bad she was in a coma for 5 days that Hillary was caught laughing at the little girl and that she told the jury that the little girl liked older men ..
i_was_a_fart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:39:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What. The. Fuck.
tinfang ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ripped off election...... nope
Laughed at rape victim.... Nope
Don't you get tired of repeating lies you've been told?
ZippyTheChicken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:16:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but I am not lying and they are not lies..
Debbie had to quit but then hillary hired her even before anyone knew she quit.. shes immoral
ChromaticDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you're doing is actually worse than lying.
First, regardless of the truth of your initial claims, your intent was weird and your suggested actions inappropriate. Your main thrust was one of deflection. The ONLY proper response to children in that setting discussing that particular issue would have been to stay on topic and raise appropriate counter-examples - showing where Trump has done similar good things. Or possibly explaining away or minimizing whatever the child[ren] thought Trump was doing that to them equated as making fun of various groups. Cannot do eitther for those? Then just keep quiet.
Gaslighting or deflecting or switching to a mode of trashing Hillary is not appropriate.
This is becoming all the more relevant as more things come up. If you wish to defend Trump, you really do have to stay on topic and address each issue as they arise without drawing false equivalences, denying realty or deflecting.
ZippyTheChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i see .. never say anything about hillary.. because its not a choice between two people its whether or not anyone is worthy to run against her..
the fact is you teach the facts .. you dont as you say
because children and adults and everyone deserve at minimum the full and complete truth and then at that point you can make a decision on which facts are relevant or not and make a choice based on Facts and not....
what someone is willing to tell you or allow others to tell you...
That is the whole point behind Wikileaks.. its because no one will say the truth.. and we deserve the truth... and without it we can not make good choices.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you're trying to reason with this person, but their username is ZippyTheChicken. I doubt they're capable of understanding anything that doesn't involve their pecker.
MisterMcFancyPants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of that is even remotely true, put the tinfoil hat away Jethro
sponJAHHH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is definitely true. Also look into her work about children's rights from the 70s, it's a fucking joke.
zedude2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a summer camp and an 8 year old Muslim girl talked to me about how her parents plan to leave to the country if Trump is elected. She is a good kid, so I hope things go well for her and her family.
corystereo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:17:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a relative who teaches a poor, inner city grade school with a student body that is 90% black. According to my relative, the kids are firmly convinced Trump is going to kill all black people when he becomes President.
Now, I don't fault the kids: they get this nonsense from their parents. It's just.... can you imagine if someone lived their life with that kind of deranged outlook? They'd probably see racism everywhere in their country and no amount of factual evidence would convince them otherwise--
...oh, wait...
caroja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the same expression of fear we hear from the poor students here. Our district has 35% of its studunts below the Fed. Poverty line. As though their poverty were a criminal act. It's really awful considering they have no control over that factor in their lives as children. I have this thought like a mantra "What is WRONG with people ?".
mooseandfriends ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If Trump becomes president, he's going to send my family back to Mexico." - Mexican student
"If Trump becomes president, he's going to send us back to Africa" - Black students
Seeker0fTruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:32:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a substitute, so I don't see these students every day-I'd just met these ones (fourth or fifth grade) in particular. I was working as a pull-out teacher with small groups or one on one. One of the girls I was working with on writing had written a short essay on Canada, which she had just visited. It started with "Canda [sic] has ketchup chips" and ended with "I love Canada, if Trump wins I'm moving to Canada."
The last bit was what she was most excited about. She turned to the other two girls in our reading group and announced it loudly to them as well. One of the girls (she was a recent immigrant) turns to face me, absolutely straight faced, and says "I have Mexico."
<3 <3 <3
-kel
stevenscommameg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:58:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm late to the party, but my middle schoolers are having a hard time realizing what the candidates have ACTUALLY said vs what the SNL version of the candidates have said. But I mean, we all are, right?
caroja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SNL is the only political program I pay attention to now. Everything else is too depressing.
ScifiGirl1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is still convinced that Sarah Palin actually said that she could see Russia from her backyard. The confusion these kids are experiencing isn't surprising considering the fact that half the shit said on SNL is believable, especially the Trump stuff.
zebrahdh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Church told my nephew this morning that Hillary Clinton will let people kill babies...
jettdoesthings ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:20:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at my churches day care and one time I was playing with a little girl, probably 2 or 3, while my co-workers talked about politics. She randomly turned to me while we were playing with the kitchen set, and said "I don't like Donald Duck, he's mean to girls." Then went right back to playing without missing a beat.
racmrc215 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:45:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My nephew (8) on Trump: "The one problem in this entire world is Donald Trump." My niece (11) on Hilary: "Everyone knows Bernie should've beat Hilary and been our next president."
forerunner398 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, who knew we had such young redditors!?
(I say this humorously, not mockingly just in case you can't tell)
racmrc215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:46 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They would fit right in with us! Not surprisingly, their parents are one of us.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:59:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are they mods on /r/circlejerk
OddreyAndChris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 1st grade in a school that is 98% hispanic. The topic of the election was brought up briefly and a few of the students said things along the lines that Trump is a bad man.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Silly children cant think critically I guess
9me123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: a /r/thathappened goldmine
Z3ppelinDude93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try Patrice Brock (https://youtu.be/FRlI2SQ0Ueg#t=1m05s) - your question wasn't answered in the debate and it's not going to get answered now!
RedGeckoChainsaw ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but i heard a 6th grader say thats their ship
camsauce3000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:21:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3rd Grader - The wall Trump will build, won't it just stop people on land? What about the sea or air?
otterom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:51:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump is awesome. Hillary smells like poo poo."
WienersRFunnyLookin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 6 year old niece said that we shouldn't vote for trump because he always looks like he has to fart.
kielly32 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:18:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump just about ready to drop a nuclear war in his pants.
Atomicoffspring ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:14:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter came home distraught saying "Olamae has to move back to move back to Mexico if Trump becomes the president, and he likes to grab cats and hurt them. Mommy I want the girl to win".
Chimpwick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:17:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a middle school but I figure that's close enough. I saw one Mexican student of mine climbing a massive chain link fence that surrounds the basketball court outside the school.
Me: What are you doing? Get down.
Student: I'm practicing for when Trump gets elected.
It was both funny and depressing at the same time.
Pancakepiles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students find trump hilarious. I printed out coloring sheets and snuck in some hillary and trump color sheets as well. Students would get Trump and color him to look like the Joker or Colonel sanders
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:11 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make America Finger-Lickin' Good Again ๐
theongoingsaga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tutor Chinese kids online. One 12yo is quite into international current events and brought up Trump after the first debate... he was flabbergasted and kept saying to me/mumbling to himself, "Trump's so dumb!"
megger815 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:31:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Several of my kids have said that Donald Trump hates them because they're Mexican.
One of my kids told me so-and-so called someone a Mexican and that's a racist term. It made me so sad to explain that being Mexican is an actual thing, and it's not racist to call a Mexican Mexican.
One kid in my 5th specific learning disorder self-contained classroom said that Donald Trump assassinated Abraham Lincoln.
pigs_in_chocolate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:33:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of my students were very upset, they were on the verge of bursting into tears during class one day last year in fear that they or family members would be deported. I haven't heard much from the kids this year, but I probably will hear more in the coming weeks. I suspect that if he says something crazy that gets on the news, it will get repeated in school over the next few days after the kids hear their parents talking about it. I work in several ethnically diverse inner city schools in the northeast United States.
18aidanme ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13 year old here, Me and another 13 year old and 11 year old took a sandbox and built Trump's Wall.
Meow10Due ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:52:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in Mexico in higher grades. Everytime they act up I joke around and say guess I know who I'm voting for now. They find it pretty funny.
streamstroller ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:42:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is super late to the discussion, but, last year my son (10) was really upset when he got off the bus. I asked him why. He said, "Arman was crying." I asked why Arman was crying...he said, "Arman said that if Trump wins, he and his brothers and baby sister will have to leave. It's not fair. They were born here just like me." So, an elementary school kid was crying in fear on the bus because his family is Muslim and he's afraid of forced deportation.
Chernograd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:33:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should have asked the junior high teachers. Seriously.
AmpuGandT ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:12:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the UK. We recently had school council elections. One of my children was elected purely on the basis of his use of Trump memes. He ended his speech with 'We're going to build a wall! Vote Trump.' Kid got mad votes.
thatJainaGirl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a school, but I work at a daycare. I've never heard a word about Clinton, but I occasionally hear lunch time talk about how Trump is a "mean guy."
maedwe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Junior High, but an 8th grader made this delightful portrait of the Sexual-Predator God-Emperor.
Edit: Oh yeah, some students were supposed to think of a scary place for a narrative and one kid said, "Donald Trump's house."
LuluWoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:54:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm probably too late for this to get seen but...
I worked in a Title 1 school last year teaching 3rd grade. Title 1 schools, for those of you who do not live in the states, are schools that have populations of socioeconomically disadvantaged students. There isn't really a racial divide in these schools across the US, but the majority of my students happened to be of varying Hispanic descent.
My students really loved playing tag. Originally it started out as Zombie Tag. One zombie would try to tag all the humans running for safety towards the brick wall. No problem.
It became problematic when they turned it into Trump Tag. Suddenly, my class of 27 Mexican kids were running from "Trump" towards a "great wall."
I admit I locked myself in my class and laughed for a while after that.
Honestly, my kids knew exactly what they were doing. Many of them have immigrant parents, both legal and illegal. They're scared their entire worlds are about to get turned upside down on them. It's heartbreaking when your students are telling you "Trump wants to make my dad leave me and never come back, I won't have a dad anymore."
pmartin1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:13:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL that grade school kids have more sense when it comes to Donald Trump than about half of my Facebook friends.
milxs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:19:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if this counts, but I attend high school in New York City. A very blue city and my class is no different. I myself disagree pretty strongly for Trump, but I decided it would be fun to pretend I was a Trump supporter in my government class. I stated some of Trump's platforms, some that are pretty easy to refute (economic platforms, immigration, etc.). No one in the class of about 30 people was able to successfully argue against one of my points. It made me pretty sad, judging that they should have at least some political knowledge. For the most part, they blindly support the party their parents and peers have been supporting, for that reason alone.
literallycant-even ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:39:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 5yo said she wants Hillary to win because "it's about time a girl ran things" and doesn't want the Donald to win because 5yo uses bigger words than he does.
She isn't wrong. ;)
teachhikelearn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wanting a girl to run things is fine... but allowing just any girl to do it for the sake of it is pretty fucking moronic if you ask me.
Arizona-Willie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:34:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not a Hillary fan by any means. I was a Berniebro.
But, right is right and fair is fair and in all fairness I have to say that Hillary has spent a lifetime in Public Service and has many accomplishments to her credit.
She knows the World Leaders personally and Trump wouldn't know them if one walked up and kicked him in the nuts.
She has negotiated with World Leaders and gotten treaties put through. Not all good but I still have to acknowledge it as an accomplishment.
Trump started life rich and I bet he has never seen the inside of a grocery store.
He has no political knowledge.
He doesn't even know how laws are made nor does he even know which house of Congress is responsible for making up the budget.
If a Congressman who didn't do what he wanted him to do was in his office Trump would say " you're fired " thinking he got rid of the problem and the Congressman would laugh in his face.
And Pence, oh my gawd, he is even worse than Trump by far.
Trump is too stupid to get anything done but Pence does know something about working in government.
literallycant-even ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so much yes
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:32 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pence "knows" that women should have to have funerals for their aborted or miscarried fetuses. If Trump had chosen anyone else at all as his running mate, I might have actually given him a modicum of consideration. But if Trump gets elected and something happens to him, Pence is President? No.
Arizona-Willie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The concept of Pence as President is enough to justify anyone who hates Hillary's guts to vote for her anyway.
GeneralSarbina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I second this statement
Imaybelightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politics is hard for women. I remember Edwards making a comment on HRC's blouse in a debate, and the infamous Obama telling her she's 'likable enough'. That was on TV, imagine what's thought/said about them having power behind closed doors by a decent amount of them. That being said, she's the absolute best AI version of a woman running Goldman-Sachs 12.0.1 I've seen yet.
literallycant-even ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't disagree. I meant she was right about how she uses bigger words than Trump.
willowmarie27 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:20:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly they talk about how they don't like either and wished to Bernie Sanders was running still. Oddly these are kids of pretty conservative parents.
Turing45 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:25:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in a Title 1 school in Arizona where I am one of 3 white people in the entire class. One of my African-American children brought it up in front of the class during social studies and she said that she was afraid because she felt the Mr. Trump hates black people and Mexicans and that since he has a lot of followers, there are a lot of people who hate People like her. She then went on to ask me "Mr. Turing45, are YOU going to vote for Trump?" I replied that I chose to be in her school and in her class, and besides, I'm not someone Mr. Trump would much care for. It pisses me off that my kids are scared, they are 7 and 8 years old, they should be making handprint turkeys and planning what they want for Christmas.
jefeperro ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of feeding into her fears why not tell her there aren't a lot of people who hate blacks and Mexicans. And make sure she knows trump doesn't hate them either
Turing45 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:34:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then she would know im a liar the minute she watches the evening news, goes on the internet or even walks down some streets in the city she lives in. Reality is a scary fucking place lately and Im not going to sugar coat it for them. There are haters out there, sticking heads in the sand and pretending it doesnt exist leads to things like we saw less than 100 years ago. Do you need a history lesson?
mtux96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
or you can tell them that politics can be complex and thereล a lot of different reasons why someone might support one candidate over the other including the fact that they just dont like the person running against them, you know just how many people are just voting for Hillary because she isnt Trump instead of just voting for another person that is running that isnt a Democrat or a Republican.
Turing45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We had a very in depth conversation about it, but they have seen the news reports about the ralleys and heard the talk about the wall as well as the fact they are all very aware. They live in one of the states that is on the forefront of the immigration issue and it also has a very stark racial divide.
jefeperro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Donald trump doesn't hate minorities. Sure there are some ignorant racists but they belong to all races and creeds.
painted_on_perfect ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:33:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids use Trump as an insult. Whenever they call someone out for being rude, they say, "Don't be a Trump" There is a general consensus at their elementary school that he isn't nice and have no idea why adults don't see through his BS the way they do. Clinton isn't mentioned.
western_red ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know this new saying is posted on this thread a few times. I really want this to be a thing.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:17:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people want him to win because he is an asshole. They see it as "he isnt afraid to speak his mind" or "he doesnt filter his ideas for PC". I dont get it, a rude asshole isnt really the best person to make representative of a whole country
Copperhe4d ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:04:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Elementary school kids have the same intelligence as Buzzfeed video producers
bambamtx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:40:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't put elementary kids down like that. At least they have potential.
n0vaga5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well no shit? They are still growing and learning.
forerunner398 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who are you trying to mock with that comment, no really, I can't tell
bargman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tutor a bunch of English-speaking rich Korean kids who go to this super expensive international school. Over the summer it seems like every week they would come in with a new bonehead quote from Trump. One kid kept asking me for a small loan of a million dollars. They also frequently asked me, an American, how someone with no political experience like Trump even gets this far in the election process.
Lftegs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach at a school that is predominantly Hispanic, one 5th grader said " If Trump becomes president then my Daddy is going to have to flee the country and that's no good because I am a daddy's girl." Then an African American student said, " Well then I am voting for Trump!"
syth406 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's really intense...
forerunner398 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If nothing else, that second kid has some sass.
thatswhatshesped ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:21:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taught 6th grade special education last year. Low income school in Southern California. We read an article about the candidates last year. They all instantly recognized Trump as "that racist guy that wants to send Mexicans back to Mexico" and had no idea who Bernie and Clinton were - just some old guy and old lady. They thought maybe they were married to each other, when I asked if they knew who Hillary's husband was.
worldenough_andtime ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a fourth grade teacher and we are studying government now. The most heartbreaking comment that I heard from one of my kids was a black girl saying "if trump wins, we'll have to move to Canada because he hates people that look like me"
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that from a white student when Obama was elected.
PoweRForgeD ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not doing your job then
Trevo91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:16:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Not a teacher but...
Welcome to askreddit kids!
ThrowawayNotKenBone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:25:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm late in the game here and this will probably get buried, but oh well.
I'm a substitute teacher (in Canada) and I get to travel to a lot of different schools and interact with a variety of students from different income and racial backgrounds.
Overall, from what I have experienced, the kids are really indifferent towards Clinton. Trump though? Good Lord, he is the biggest joke to them. Even at the mention of the name Trump the classrooms erupt with laughter and kids start shouting things like "HUUUGE" and "I'm going to build a wall!" He is seen as a clown and cartoon character void of any respect.
I've also experienced a darker side of all of this in that I've had students of various minority backgrounds tell me that they are afraid that he will come after them. Let that soak in for a minute - children in other countries are afraid of him.
It's really troubling to see the negative ramifications of this election on these kids. Granted their opinions will change, they are currently growing up to view the US as either a joke circus or a place of fear and hate because of Trump's elevated status.
oldude ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got a (17 yr old) kid that wears his red MAGA baseball cap everyday...with a creepy grin on his face most of the time. All his peers pretty much give him a wide berth, ignoring the hat. I off-handedly hinted as to "what's with the hat, dude?" and got a "I just wanna watch the world burn" followed by a malevolent chuckle. I've joined his peers...
juicius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but a parent, and my 9 year old daughter keeps telling me that Trump is a bad man. I don't disagree but I have a problem with teachers (apparently, since there's no one else who could have) are indoctrinating the kids on matters that they don't yet fully grasp.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's most likely they heard from another kid, not a teacher.
intentsman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:18:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you also oppose the teaching of math?
juicius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's the same thing.
Idiot.
ZerrickiShadow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a day care attendant and a camp leader. At camp, we had a kid going around saying that Donald Trump was the "smartest man running for president" and that Hillary is a "murderer" and Bernie Sanders wants to "take away our freedom." This kid also referred to the president by the n-word and said that "Donald Trump is going to send Mexicans back where they belong." Considering how well this kid actually interacted with Latino campers, I was disgusted his parents instilled such bigotry. He was very proud to be white though... I had another camper, also white, joke "white people can't dance" and this Trump kid smacked him right across the face and said "White people can do whatever the hell they want! They're just as good at it as Mexicans or blacks"
A lot of kids at camp and the day care say they love trump and can't wait till he's their president because "he'll make everything better for mommy and daddy"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:07:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
gag
graphix62 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Poor kids they have some dumb ass parents. Trump will not make anything better for anyone but trump.
rebelbass1219 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:16:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The students at the intermediate school I work at insult each other by calling others "Trump Supporters."
njb42 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:21:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of nowhere, my 8-year-old proclaimed to me: "Trump is a bitch!"
Scones93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:25:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then you are in that awkward place of "do I tell them that that is inappropriate? Or do I congratulate them on their wisdom?"
njb42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:34:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Por que no los dos?
I told him: I agree with you, but that's a grown-up word, and you need to find a different way to express your opinion.
Scones93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice :)
abruce123412 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An opinion isnt really wisdom, and if she's 8 she shouldn't be saying that kinda stuff...
Scones93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are right an opinion isn't wisdom, but wisdom and insight do inform our opinions. It was just a joke my friend relax. And besides it looks like the parent handled it quite well.
Also apparently it's an 8 yo boy haha i thought the kid was a girl too, must be the language choice, where I grew up it was mostly girls/women who used the word bitch
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:25:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3rd grade class is terrified. I live in a town of mostly what is considered minorities, so I hear the fears of children who are not catered to by America. About 60-70% of my class are Hispanic; but they speak fluent English, know American history, are behaved, intelligent, willing to learn, and are all around amazing children (I say this disclaimer because many people have tried belittling my class' fears because they're Hispanic and not white - which is terrible that people think my class has any less importance than others).
These kids LOVE America, most have never stepped foot in Mexico or any other country, and their parents put in the work. These kids and their families belong here. However, they are in full fear that if Trump wins, they won't get to learn here anymore. They're afraid to go back to where their family is from because they don't know any different than America. I've heard kids cry for fear they'll be deported in November if Trump wins; of course they're too young to realize they won't get deported the minute he enters office, if he does, and most adults, much less children, don't realize how impractical mass deportation is (just ask Hitler why he started concentration camps).
On a slightly less serious note, here are some quotes the kids have said about Trump: "Trump's hair looks like poo-poo." "Did Trump own slaves?" "Why do people like a man that doesn't like everyone? What happened to treat others how you wanted to be treated?" "Is Trump orange for Halloween? ("He's always orange!") "Oh, did he work with Willy Wonka?" "I only said [Johnny] and his friends were black 'cause they are! Trump says it all the time." "When I grow up, I wanna be president so I can show the world what love is because Trump is a hater." "If I get good grades, will Trump keep me here?" "[Ms. Teacher], [Sally] said she doesn't want to work with me because I'm Mexican and that Trump said my family does drugs!" "If we get in trouble for not being respectful, then why is Trump not respectful? Why isn't he getting in trouble by anyone?"
They literally just call Hillary "the lady." When they ask each other who they or their parents like, they ask, "Do you like Trump or the lady?" Lol.
loki143 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:37:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If Trump is elected, will I be deported?
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:02:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a lot of students say "I don't like Trump because he doesn't want people like me in the country." I have a lot of Hispanic and Muslim students.
unsurpassable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:56 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where are they learning that he doesn't like them? Are they illegally sitting in your classroom?
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:50 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of the hispanic students are undocumented immigrants or they have family who is undocumented. Most of the muslim students are immigrants, and Trump wants to stop Muslim immigration (for at least a while).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I didn't know kids read the news and formed their own opinions on current politicians.
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we're trying to encourage them to do just that. I don't know exactly how much they're forming their own opinions and how much they're influenced by family and friends.
dr_channard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whatever their parents say.
Tippymytalala1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same thing their parents are saying
ChurroBandit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in elementary school, we had a class election, and our teacher promised to cast her vote whichever way the class decided. So we all had 1/20th of a vote! It made us take things so much more seriously.
Dukakis won in a landslide because he had better hair than George Bush Sr.
CreatrixAnima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did she use this to explain the electoral college?
ChurroBandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol, not to 3rd graders, but that would be a good illustration for older kids.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: children repeating bullshit they heard their mom say
ryansci123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Canadians
generalhondo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We are mostly Mexican American with maybe 10-15 white students. One of the white families is a bit racist and so their kids come in saying "We're going to kick you all out and build a wall so you can't come back." They're not well liked.
SweetLenore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a hard time believing white kids say that when they are grossly outnumbered by the minority they are being bigoted against.
generalhondo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bigoted against?
Not to make a larger statement about race relations, but it's what's happened at my school. Several parent meetings with the students parents so the dislike they give off is apparent as well as the words they teach. Student tells of many relational aggression instances, but so far no bigotry against them.
spiralest_compass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids just parrot what their parents say, for the most part. So at least in advance of parent/teacher conferences you can know if you're dealing with a maniac or an idiot.
abicus4343 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is which?
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:07:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maniacs are more methodical in planning, idiots just like to bitch.
MAJORPOOPY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They typically mirror what they hear their parents say. Most haven't formulated their own opinions yet.
Unbo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school, but one of my students for a presentation went on about how Trump was "Extremely charismatic, smart, intelligent, and fit to lead this country more than any other candidate in decades."
I'm not allowed to make any sort of political comments, sadly. Gotta keep that shit neutral I guess.
v_krishna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My stepson is in 3rd grade. He said kids in his class got bullied for saying they liked Trump. He personally claims to be all about Bernie (his dad & dad's wife I guess. His mom is apolitical and I've had many in-one-ear-and-out-the-other conversations with him about Proudhon and Bakunin and why I vote green). My daughter who is in Kindergarten at the same school knows the names Trump and Clinton but doesnt really understand much beyond that.
mynameisnt_katy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm a special education para in an emotionally/behaviorally challenged classroom. My students are 4th-6th grade boys. Things I've heard them say:
"Trump is a very bad man!"
"I hate America because Trump is going to win."
"I hate Donald Trump!"
I haven't heard any of them mention Clinton. I'm not a Trump supporter, so I was secretly happy to hear them say those things.
I'm in a very blue state on the west coast near a large city. I'm also at a school with a large Muslim, Latino, and African-American population, so my educated guess says that Trump isn't too popular here.
pecosita6960 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach mostly Mexican American kids in Colorado. It makes me so sad how worried they are about Trump and what he wants to do to their families
Anti_Quotable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live I'm Mississippi. I'm not a teacher. I also don't talk about politics out loud because I believe this election is bananas and an insult to democracy. However, a few weeks ago, my 6 year old son said he had a video game idea. The game was about fighting zombies or something. Typical kid stuff. It ended with Trump being the last boss. When you beat him, my son said "That will wipe the smirk off of his face!". He has never heard my wife or me discuss the election.
nanaclifford ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a parent, not a teacher. My 7-year-old son was playing video games in another room and he ends up dying. I hear him say, "Goddamn Trump!". To him, Trump is apparently a synonym for asshole.
faceless_combatant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a therapist who works with school age kids. My company helps run social groups for kids who otherwise would have a hard time understanding social constructs or making friends on their own. Anyway, I was in a group with kids ranging from 10-13 years. I voted in the primaries, so I was wearing my "I voted" sticker. They all immediately asked who I voted for, and before I even had a chance to answer, they all started saying "I hope it was for Bernie!" and broke out into a chant "BERNIE BERNIE BERNIE" and then one kid said, really solemnly, "my mom voted for trump."
fast forward to last week, and these kids have now moved onto chanting things like "dump trump" or making fun of his hair or how ridiculous an idea it is to build a wall. I honestly approve of the conversations but have to cut them short to stay on topic. But at least they're all socializing.
margotgo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was subbing in a 6th grade class and one boy came into the room in tears because another boy called him "donald trump." Worst part is the poor kid does look a bit like Trump.
Secretly_psycho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watched a girl and a boy play "present able debate". It started like this. Boy: I wanna build a wall Girl: I wanna email people Boy: you're ugly and a liar Girl: me a liar? You lied about paying people Boy: at least I'm not stupid Girl: oh really? You were stupid enough to fight me. At that point, the boy charges and the girl sidesteps, and he runs into a tree. Yes, I should have stopped it, but....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
pretty much sums up the current situation
Secretly_psycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
sunbandit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, I am a soccer coach, and my eleven year old boys always joke shout "WE HAVE TO BUILD A WALL" any time there's a direct kick, usually with hand motions and everything.
yingyanglife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Donald Trump is going to make the Mexicans pay all our taxes." Second grade.
Morgank6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grader on Hillary, "She's going to take all our guns away." Most of my students are afraid of Trump though, high immigrant/1st gen US population at my school. The guns comment was from one of my two white students.
beebstx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SIL teaches a second grade class of predominately Indian children. They asked her if she was going to vote for trump. They said they don't like trump because they're afraid he'll send them all back to India.
Capt_Reynolds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I work at an amusement Park. One 7 year old in a trump shirt said hillary will kill all the kids
hugoshepherd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We pass out Scholastic magazines on Friday in first grade. One of them had a VERY basic description of the election and had pictures of both candidates. He drew a huge "x" over Clintons face and put a mustache on it. He circled and put a check mark beside Trump. It was just very interesting to me to see how quickly and enthusiastically he reacted to the pictures. He is 6.
graphix62 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:30:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a little bigot.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's six.
graphix62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:16:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow? He was a kid that was doing the same thing kids have been doing to school handouts since schools began. That hardly makes him a bigot.
graphix62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No he is a bigot kid i just know it.
lydsbane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:56 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're a troll. I just know it.
graphix62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:00 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How can you tell?
Madclown88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wife is a school teacher at a middle school. Parent called her pissed because her daughter became a Trump supporter after other kids in the class convinced her Hillary was evil. Lady was truly angry.
wankstainjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not from America, but heard some 10-11 year olds talking whilst on my lunch break and I overheard one of them say 'If you like Trump, I'm going to have to kill you'
Elektra99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian here, I work as a youth leader and last week I heard an 8 year old boy explain to the kid he was playing video games with, "My dad wouldn't let me watch the whole debate but I'm 90% sure Hillary Clinton won, Trump is full of lies." He was so determined to watch the rest at some point, it made me wonder how his parents feel about it.
DothDie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not American but during the EU Referendum here in the UK I saw a 5 year old talk about how staying in the EU is better. Like Jesus Christ, how does a 5 year old know about politics.
Arizona-Willie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does a 5 year old know about politics?
About as much as most Trump supporters.
DothDie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, very true indeed.
thearkhitekt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 10year old sisters friend said "If Trump wins he's going to kill everyone's babies, also he's gonna build a wall, doesn't he understand they'll just fly over a wall, he's a moron."
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother works at an inner city school as a martial arts teacher and a couple weeks ago two of his students said "You look like Donald Trump. He wants us all to go to hell. It said so on the news." For reference, my brother: http://imgur.com/jbwjnl5
PicklePucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From one of my 5th graders: "Didn't Hillary Clinton use to be a maid in the White House?"
geoffeaton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 10 year old and her friends sing a "trump song" that is a blend of Hail to the Chief and Sad Trombone.
shmainslie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had trouble getting through a lesson about habitats because the word 'trunk' sounds like 'Trump', which they thought was hilarious. We live in Canada. That is all.
pavederry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in a low income school. Lately, all the talk has been about racism and Trump being a bad man. A couple students are on board their parents conspiracy train.
sweadle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is the conspiracy that Trump is racist?
pavederry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The conspiracy stuff is around election rigging and Hillary I believe. We don't talk about it much in class, but you hear things here and there. Especially, when we read the Time For Kids edition about the magazine.
lolpeepz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's that trump is a lizard being from the planet xt476
philalethia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3rd/4th grade science teacher here. I work in Philadelphia. Half of my kids went on a field trip, recently, so the ones left behind had a movie day. We watched on YouTube. The stream was interrupted several times by Donald Trump ads. These were the the responses:
"Donald Trump is going to build a wall between us and Africa."
"Donald Trump is going to send all the Black people back to Africa."
"Donald Trump is going to start a war with Africa.โ
"Donald Trump is going to start a war with Mexico."
"Donald Trump is going to start a war, and I don't think he knows who he's starting with."
โDonald Trump is all for global warming. When the seas rise, the angels of the apocalypse will come and bring the rapture. He wants the rapture because it will kill all the Jews."
"Hillary Clinton's not white." (This is a huge compliment, BTW)
Avoidingsnail ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of my kids say they hate Obama,Trump, or Hillary. When you ask them why they just say because. Seems like most people do the same.
ArchangelDawn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom told me about a kid in her class who said that if Trump was elected, they'd move out of the country. Upon asking where they'd move, the kid said "Florida!"
Rhiannonwolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but mother of 2 boys with autism and both are half Mexican. The nine year old, who is the highest functioning, takes everything he hears literally. 2 weeks ago he came home from school crying and I can't make this up. I said, "What's wrong honey?" Through his sobs he finally said, "Trump wants all the Mexicans out of the USA!!! Will the other half of me have to go back to Mexico??"
quackjobb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a tutor for a while. I had an eight year old ask me if Trump gets elected, will his whole family be deported? He said he didn't want to have the leave. This is his home. I explained he's a citizen and cannot be deported. No one would let that happen. Just broke my heart.
blickerbloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin is an ESL teacher to kindergarten-age students, and one of her students once asked her "Miss, do you know about Donald Trump?" She told him yes, and asked "What about him?" And he said, in broken English,
"He say me and my family have to leave America?"
Absolutely breaks my heart.
Crittathelion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 6th grade math. I play CNN student news in the morning and they've been covering the election. "If you're a Christian, you shouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman. The Bible says women shouldn't hold places of power. Women were created from men. We shouldn't be able to be president"
Said by a little girl... โน๏ธ๏ธ
katiesham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:48:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach at a Christian school, so most of the students are repeating the same stuff their parents are saying. "Trump isn't great, but he's better than that liar, Hillary!" But even then, there are some that want to talk about the scary stuff Trump has sad. I have a few minorities in the room and they are very plainly against Trump.
DirtyMangos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not children exactly (most act like it), but I live in a VERY conservative part of the USA. And since Trump has gone bananas and tanked himself, all these people who before talked about him in positive ways constantly... now don't seem to mention politics whatsoever. It's so nice. :)
thepaintsaint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister volunteers teaching kids in elementary. She heard one kid say, "My teacher says Trump is going to kill us all!"
Trump ain't my favorite guy, but WHAT
Imaybelightning ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:35:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's nuts! Like ok "today we're going to be reading where the red fern grows, but first I'd like you all to know YOURE GOING TO DIE IF WE ELECT TRUMP'. Save that for your Facebook feed.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Telling them Trump will kill them has got to be less traumatic than reading Red Fern.
Imaybelightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That book dates me I suppose, put whatever neutered down twitter feed they throw at kids these days and call learning.../s
Dannyhealy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After saying Donald Trump in conversation recently my 3 year old replied: "DONALD TWUMP?!" You do not say that word! That is a bad word! No idea if she knows who or what Donald Trump is. (She doesn't watch any news)
DeadliestWookie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but a student running for grade 9 representative in my school spent half his speech making a trump joke. "I promise to build a great great golden wall to separate our selves from the 12s, we'll have no crooked secretarys...." It's got to the point where our principal had to make him move on because the kids in the audience laughed at him and cringed real hard. He finished his speech off with "I promise not not be a semi colon and work all the time" Oh man did nobody vote for that guy
stegdump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just asked my wife who teaches at a Title 1 school with predominantly immigrant families. Basically the poor school of the district with all the Mexican kids (in a suburb of Seattle). She said, with out even skipping a beat, that her kids say "Trump is going to deport all my family". :-(
GodDamnApes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2nd graders - a girl said her father told their family they were going to move to Canada if Trump wins. A boy responded that they wouldn't be able to because Trump would have shut down the boarders.
TimelyBarren ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in high school and one of my friends honestly believed that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton were siblings and said "isn't it illegal for siblings to run for office if one already did?" He also gets Donald trump and Warren Buffet confused with each other.
Msaadgoraya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:23:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like I'm Scrolling Facebook newsfeed
OldDirtyRobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my wife's 4th graders told her that Hillary performs abortions on babies that are almost born.
mack3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter is in grade 3 bathe came home last week and said "Donald Trump is a jacknut".
practicat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 4 year old recently watched a YouTube video of Donald Trump saying China for 3 minutes straight. Now he randomly walks around saying 'Donald Trunk China, China, China, China, China, China, China... hahahahah.'
https://youtu.be/RDrfE9I8_hs
Scones93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a lot of china
practicat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So many.
clayt0nbigsby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was reviewing Three Billy Goats Gruff, the students referred to Trump as the troll and Mexicans as the goats.
peanut_harvest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3 year old nephew said he couldn't go outside bc Donald Trump made it rain.
A 7th grade teacher nearly started a riot after posing the following statement:
Fact or opinion: Donald Trump is racist.
It got ugly fast.
Kighla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a girl tell me a corn cob is more attractive than Donald Trump
Jesguacamole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Student: Have you heard of former president, William Clinton? Me: Yes, I've heard of William. Did you know that he is Hillary Clinton's husband? Student: freezes, walks slowly away
I then observed as the news spread like wildfire around my room of fifth graders.
BorderLove89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump will be the last US president if he wins".
bane9907 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but I heard a couple cub scouts talking about it. One said donald trump is a racist sex offender and the other countered that clinton is going to nuke russia. I could easily tell which side their parents were voting for.
hello_skinny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a close friend who is a children's librarian. She said she overheard some kids talking at the computers one day, and one of them said, "I heard Trump fucks his daughter."
BITCRUSHERRRR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not kids (even though they act like it.) but I've heard people say Trump wants to send africans back to africa and make america white again. In no way have those words ever been said. I won't preach here because I know reddit would crucify me if I start openly supporting Trump.
Tyrandir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama was gonna invoke Sharia Law and start FEMA camps to enslave us Red Blooded Americans. Every Presidential candidate gets his/her own silly conspiracy attached to them. Trump's is just somewhat closer to some of his public sentiments than others.
BITCRUSHERRRR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean recent email leaks show obama is escalating aggression with russia to keep the left in power, and lookie what is happening
Tyrandir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to look at these emails, could you point me in the right direction? I don't like making uninformed arguments, and admittedly have not seen these. Thanks
BITCRUSHERRRR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
been about 7 batches to date
the_bananafish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 6th grade so close enough. Two students were arguing about something and one told the other that when Trump gets elected his "black ass was gonna get sent to Africa.".....
Both students are African American.
Harmanious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a Tier 1, high-need, low-income school with over 90% of my students being African-American/black.
They know that Donald Trump wants to build a wall between Mexico and the US to keep out "illegals" and they are very against it. They also think that because he's a blatant racist, that if he becomes president, he will deport black people back to Africa. It's really upsetting to hear - they know how little Trump (and to an extent too, Clinton) care about people like them and they voice it often.
One of my fifth graders (who is black and Native American ethnically) wrote a very passionate letter to Trump telling him that half of his descendants had their land stolen from them and essentially enslaved by white Americans on reservations and the other half were literally stolen from their land and literally enslaved by white Americans.
And he wanted to know how Trump can justify "making America great again" when in actuality he "just wants to make everyone that's white feel great by making everyone else - people like me of different colors - feel worse." My student also explained that in school we're learning about bullying and how we can't be bystanders to bullying. He included a pamphlet we gave the students that has the "signs of bullying" and wrote how Trump shows every sign.
So, I've heard my students say a lot about the presidential candidates. But what they have actually done about it speaks volumes. Kids aren't incompetent or unknowledgeable of the world around them, and they might not know all of the policies of the candidates, but they certainly have opinions on them.
GandalfTheToked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister is a second grade teacher. One of the boys in her class has been spreading a rumor that Hillary Clinton is the one that released deadly clowns across the US. He is dead serious.
paperconservation101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:58:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he going to put us in jail? My Muslim students.
And " is there going to be war?"
Miceli123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach fifth grade in a largely ethnic district. Our most recent reading selections featured Satchel Paige and Roberto Clemente facing racial bias. Upon reading a description of people yelling racial slurs from the stands, one of my kids Sally shook her head and whispered, "just like Trump."
FreedomBeaver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach rock climbing to kids of the same age, and had a kid ask me if our rock wall was taller than the wall Trump was gonna build
lurking2wastetime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not a teacher but, I have a eight year old. He and his friends can't understand why anyone would vote for Hillary. "All she's ever done, is won a Grammy."
queenb09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preschool teacher here. Most of my kids saw trump on the television and think he's inhuman because he is orange colored (I told them we should not judge people based on their skin color) and most of them want Bernie to win. We are in Vermont, so we're basically white-washed and Bernie's our homeboy.
Whenever I hear "I'm rooting for Hilary because she's a girl" I teach to that...
also I once heard "we do not like Donald trump because all he cares about is money". Wise beyond her years.
Lotharofthepotatoppl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher, but apparently my 6yo nephew said that Trump shouldn't be president because he's 'a mean person' and 'nobody likes his hotels.'
Also, if he keeps saying mean things, my nephew will tell him to shut up and go to another planet.
bluepin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i'm an assistant teacher in a 2nd grade classroom and last Wednesday instead of teaching science my head asked if I could social studies. I asked a student if she knew who the president was...she hesitated for a second before shouting gleefully
HILARRRY!!!
I had to inform her - The current president is Obama but yes she was correct that Hilary Clinton was a presidential nominee. But overall most of the students in my school, which is in DC, hate Trump. I remember last year some of my students made jokes (fart jokes mostly) about him.
I think it's because their parents are pretty vocal about their dislike for Trump.
hurrymenot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm too scared to read this thread :(
titations ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they all start by saying "My mom/dad says that Trump/Hillary is ____" My 4th graders dont have their own opinions.
ihabnt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First grade teacher in the south here!
Had a student come up to me first thing in the morning and say, "Are you gonna vote in the election?? My daddy says we're moving to Mexico if Hilly wins. I don't want to move..."
R33AUS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And if Trump wins they won't be able to get into Mexico!
OhioMegi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach third grade in a 100% poverty school. Students have said he's "creepy", "bad", "a liar".
linuxdood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny this thread pops up. My nephews said their teacher makes them play trump vs hillary. Pretty much she tells them Trump is a jerk and hillary is a winner. I didn't know teachers were allowed to do this.
arlenna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My nephew (5) is legit afraid of Donald Trump because his dad tells him about how DT is a bad guy.
itsamuffworld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my 4th graders told me that Donald Trump was part of the Illuminati.
jooksta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if anyone will see this, but I'm gonna write it anyway.
My roommate isn't a teacher, but she works at the local historical museum and gives tours for kids. A 4th grade class came in and, as she does with every tour, she began by having two kids run for "tour president," but when it comes time to vote she says something like, "only people with blue eyes can vote," as a way to emphasize unequal rights. Well, a group of like five 4th grade boys started chanting, "repeal the 19th amendment!"
To me, that's terrifying.
ZippyTheChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
got to love kids
Cannabis_warrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Were the five boys blue eyed or otherwise?
Oznogrd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach special education elementary schoolers and there's a pretty big split.
1 African American Kid "I don't trust either of em"
1 African American Kid likes Hilary to the point he made her his background on his tablet.
1 White Kid-"Hillary is going to ruin the country. No, No, don't even talk about her. My grandparents said she's going to get us all killed"
1 White Kid-"I like Trump better"
DoubleEggNCheese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 6th grader said to the class "Donald Trump is gonna take out ISIS barechested because they kicked him out."
FrogBottom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the show, but I teach second graders and some of it has verb heartbreaking. I have had a couple students very fearful that they or their family members will be deported if Trump wins. For some of these students, this is a very real, concrete concern because have already seen it happen to people in their lives. Pretty tough stuff for 7-8 year olds to be thinking about.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FriendlySockMonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not wrong... Trump will break the system.
sargsauce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forget the exact wording, but something about how climate change is important but Donald Trump thinks it's fake.
iamseanie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids in my class are more concerned about dabbing and doing the bottle flip challenge
gu1lty_spark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump is God's candidate" from a third grader. I laughed
ZippyTheChicken ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and then you said a little prayer to satan
Redminty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school is almost entirely black and probably around 70% Muslim. Many students are also either first generation citizens or immigrants themselves. I don't a think a single person in the building supports Trump and he's pretty openly mocked by everyone.
CJBabe775 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a student turn Trump into a "Frozen Musical" singing, "Do you want to build a wall?"
internets_explored ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of girls made up a chant containing Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.... had to stop it because other kids were getting riled up though.
lizzlebean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my eight year old nephew and I had the following conversation.
Noah: Did you know that Hillary Clinton is with them?
Me: With who?
Noah: The terrorists, that's why she's trying to take our guns away.
toycoa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Is it true that Donald Trump is going to ban all oreos?"
vulturez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kindergartner came home to tell me: "Is Donald Trump tired?" I asked why, he said "Because he is always running". Not really a political statement, more funny play on words. We don't really talk about politics at this age so everything he gets is a result of school.
ImOnlyHereToKillTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of people commenting here just to correct the people posting their stories is why I have lost faith in reddit.
Jayhawkfl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They say what ever they hear their parents hear. The vast majority of kids under 12 dont know the difference.
PaintedBird22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 3rd graders haven't said anything, but my 9-year-old daughter puts her hands over her ears and starts to cry when she hears Trump because she says he's mean.
bmault ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, the clowns are gonna get Trump
Kogh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a Chinese American kid ask if he'll be sent back to China if Trump became president. He is in kindergarten.
MamaXerxes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't heard my kids say anything, but I only teach orchestra so I get two batches of kids for only 45 minutes at a time.
I guess it's a good thing because my class is more interesting than the election to them?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I want Trump to build that wall, then we can go and shoot it with our Nerf guns!"
Mechalamb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All the professional troll kids in my school will go on and on about Trump without ever being able to back up anything he's done or said with reason or logic.
mmemorsel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
2nd grader referred to him as "Tronald Dump." I had to pretend really hard that I didn't find it hilarious.
elizabro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my first graders was freaking out and crying a few weeks ago because "Trump is gonna build a wall to keep people from coming here from Mexico and my best friend is visiting his grandma there right now! I'm never gonna see him again!"
SchrodingersHipster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a substitute, but the same thing they said about most shit, which was "John Cena."
Skully853 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a kid tell me they know all the bad words but Donald Trump is the worse of them....
PedroAlvarez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is from my 9 year old niece, but she said "did you know there is a third person running for president under the name Deez Nutz and they have 11% of the vote?"
I am pretty sure she is wrong about that but I have not really been following politics.
mtux96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:50:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Partially right... http://www.elect-deez-nuts.com/
isnt even his real name and is too young as well.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my third grader came home talking about how Bill Clinton shot a helicopter down one day.
CrustyGrundle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my 10 year old cousin said he wishes both of them would die...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get that kid some counciling
Bradisdad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the greatest comment chain ever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked as a summer camp counselor this summer. The kids all had some form of physical disability with most of them also having a developmental delay/autism as well. One kid with autism came from a very conservative Christian family and frequently told me that his parents were afraid. Every time I asked him "what are they afraid of?" he would say "they're afraid of Hitler Clinton becoming president". Not only that but this kid who is 14 said he was voting Trump but I kindly reminded him that 1) he can't vote yet and 2) Trump arguably mocked a disabled reporter. In response, he said he was smarter than me and hit me. lol that was fun trying to describe what happened to the cabin leader and the director
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to die...
MagicalGreenSock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary school, but I long term sub GT Math for 8th Graders. One student had a "Hillary for Prison" pin on. Out of curiosity, I asked him why he thought Hillary should be in prison. His response, and I shit you not, "Because she is trying to be president and women should learn their place and not be president." Also, I'm female.
caroja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We hear the same type of logic in our school district. The ironic part is these students all have Moms who work.
generalnotsew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 9 year old niece said in a week she got all her classmates to support Trump.
Khalano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My school district did a mock election with all the students. 70% voted for Hillary. 16% voted for Trump. 9% Voted for Johnson. 6% Voted for Stein. There were 32, 462 participants and 17, 089 were elementary students.
In my class, I hear them talk about how Trump is racist. They are fearful of deportation and taxes. I don't hear any of them talk about Hillary, Johnson, or Stein. I stay away from the topic. I don't want to dare touch it.
anewho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister coaches gymnastics for kindergarten students and one day a small Mexican girl came and asked her, "Coach, other kid told me they gonna build a wall to keep people like me and my parents out. Is my mommy going away?" Broke her heart to hear that.
outkastedd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an ESL teacher. While my second and third graders aren't really aware, my fourth and fifth graders are concerned. Specifically, my Muslim students are very afraid of Trump getting elected, as completely makes sense.
keviin722 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with kids and had one ask to tell me a joke. Of course I said yes so she begins. "If Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton are both in a car crash, who who will survive?"
"America"
Apparently her dad thinks he's a comedian.
needanacc0unt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:25:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or he's a redditor... or saw a repost from reddit on facebook.
sorryforthehangover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is terrified that all his Mexican friends are going to be deported.
fuzzykneez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:34 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary art teacher here. The amount of Trump Walls, Trump cartoons, and Trump with a red circle and slash through it are getting ridiculous. I made a rule no politics during school (save it for home with your families) because the discussions were becoming so outrageous. "I heard Trump is going to ship anyone with brown skin to a different country! What about (insert another student's name)?" Argh.
Singingpenguin12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're worried Trump will send them back to Africa.
legoeggo323 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach kindergarten. We were learning about election day last year, and a girl raised her hand and said her parents weren't going to vote for Trump. All the other kids then said they weren't going to vote for Trump. They then decided that they would all vote for this one kid in our class that they all liked. I then had to break it to them that none of them were old enough to vote/he was not old enough to be President, but maybe in the future.
The older kids I work with at summer camp had legitimate concerns, such as getting dragged into an nuclear war with ISIS (especially since the one Trump supporting kid kept saying he liked Trump because he was going to nuke ISIS). They were also worried about racism and xenophobia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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legoeggo323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As I said, those weren't my kindergarteners. Those were my fifth graders at summer camp.
thingsthatshine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Deaf and hard of hearing teacher here:
Culturally Deaf kids do not hold back. An 8th grader handed me a paper for their history class that said, "DT (sign for Donald Trump) is evil." On the other side it said, "HC (sign again) is evil." They told me, "Nobody should be president. Everyone is bad."
Also have Muslim students who are genuinely scared of what would happen if Trump was elected. It ends up being all they talk about to me.
newenglandtchr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach special education in a suburban school district, and a second grade girl said to me (on Friday), "I bet if Donald Trump was [sic] president, he would force girls into his limo, touch their privates, and then kick them out. Does that sound like someone who wants to make America great?"
enjaydee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a school teacher, but my 6 year old niece:
(She was talking about the debate)
ViolatorsWillBeToed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Girlfriend's 3rd grade student: Hillary Clinton's parents are Mexican, it's weird but they are.
supremecrafters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also not an elementary school teacher, but I heard a kid back in the primaries say, "Bernie Sanders eats so many twinkies he flies to the moon!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We were doing a game with Jenga blocks, and when I come around a few kids built a tall long wall of blocks across the floor- I asked them what it was and they said "it's the Trump wall to keep out all the Mexicans! ' .....
bunnyfitz26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
laneykate2005 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Whenever I play Plague, inc. I name the disease Donald Trump". I love eight year olds.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then people will have to get "Donald Trump" vaccinations.
ugoglencoco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I love Trump! Hillary sucks because she wants to raise taxes!!!!"
Clipsie_Elias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a first grade teacher, so I haven't heard a whole lot. However, one latina girl came to school one day in tears last school year because she was convinced Trump is "going to make my mom and dad leave because he hates people like me. I wish I was American!" (despite the fact that she is an American citizen). So sad that 6 year olds can pick up on such heavy worries.
movementunderdreams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a low Income Spanish community. My kids mostly talk about how they are afraid Trump would deport their families.
notwithanh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey, hey, Ms. Notwithanh? Are we still voting for Trump or the girl?" "Yep, those are still our main options..."
otterwithbeer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The girl.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"The girl"
Who?
"The girl" who's running for president
um , Hillary Clinton?
yeah , the girl.
ellinemm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with kindergarteners. One kid called another kid "Donald trump" as an insult and the other kid was very upset, "I am NOT Donald Trump!!!!" Also kids have said "Donalnd Trump is a bad person!" Not too much about hillary.
Ms_Toast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
5th Grade boy to me: "Would you rather vote for Trump or a girl?"
Read like you're in the Sandlot.
FAX_ME_DANK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Not elementary schools, but
mobybuddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 10 year old grandson came home upset, because his friend said," If Hilary Clinton wins, she's going to kill all the babies." Nice parenting.
Yanok07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:01:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I substitute elementary. I walked into a 4th grader class which immediately started to chant "TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP"
Not sure if I was more weirded out, or more impressed of their incredible coordination as 4th graders to do that.
It was an interesting day.
DoriIsRad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was legitimately shocked he knew the word "assassination"... it was a weird moment
Durb20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im a 6th grade teacher and my kids bring up better points about who's a better candidate than my coworkers
gringanomaly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Back in September my eight-year-old cousin announced that "Trump visited Mexico, because the president was stupid enough to let him in there!"
MillieBirdie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I teach Sunday school in a conservative community, ages 5 - 10, and it's pretty obvious that the kids are mimicking things they've heard from their parents.
One notable moment was when I was teaching about David. King Saul was trying to hunt down and kill David, and went into a cave alone to relieve himself. David happened to be hiding in the cave, and so he cut off a piece of Saul's robe secretly but didn't kill him. David believed that even though he had been anointed to replace Saul as king and even though Saul was being unjust, it would be wrong to kill king. One of the girls responded with, essentially, "That's why we can't kill Hillary."
MamaD_Cooks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I Am a Sunday school teacher. Every Sunday we take time to share our "God moments" which is a time when we felt Gods presence in our life. One kid got up and talked about forgiveness and how when fighting with siblings, they have to remember to forgive our enemies. Then the kid said "I dont think I can forgive Donald Trump because he is such a terrible terrible person." The kid said they felt bad because God says we should forgive and the kid thought that God would be disappointed.
Lol. You could hear the whole church try to hold back their laughter.
The kid brought this up on their own, we never talk politics at church.
ninnymuggin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing yet, but there is graffiti on the playground that says "trump sucks dicks" in permanent marker. It's been there for weeks and no one has tried to get it off.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I mean most supporters of every side act like children.
Lalybi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:13:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a private school that caters to children with Autism. I heard two 11 year old kids chatting about Trump. They were so mad that he makes fun of people with disabilities. I'm so sad that they have to hear about a politician belittling them.
Reddditrocks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:07:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
have seen students wearing their mask, fighting each other lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wish you had pictures , that sounds hilarious!
Reddditrocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:22 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was getting late :D
tiny_butt_toucher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:14:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It's okay to have bad days, even trump has them" ๐
transfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:38:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Has a single one of them said "Johnson"?
MsJacks0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:00:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've found that when most of my students talk about politics, they usually mention "well my mom said Trump is (blah blah blah)" or "my dad said Hillary should win because of (blah blah blah)". So basically, they just go with whatever their parents are telling them at home.
MsValerieFrizzle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:14:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If Trump gets elected, my family will have to move out of the country." -Pakistani student. My heart broke that she was carrying that around with her.
LonelyJewOnXmas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:01:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with preschoolers and I heard one child say.
"I'm voting for trump because my mommy and daddy are"
facepalm
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
joins you in facepalming
jiangcha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:57:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in an elementary school in Taiwan. Today my sixth grade boys were asking me if I was voting for Trump. I told them no, and afterwards they breathed a collective sigh of relief. I asked them what they knew about him and they told me he is a bad man because he thinks he can touch girls how he wants because he is rich. I was floored by this interaction, and so happy they understood consent. I have never been so proud of my students. So yea, the world is watching.
Chernograd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, back when I was a 6th grade boy, in 1989, me and all my shithead friends would have thought he was totally rad.
I guess times are a'changing?
Deutschtastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:23:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have two elementary aged kids. My 3rd grader told me in exasperated way that if Trump gets elected he will probably a make sure women don't have the right to vote anymore. She also loudly tells anyone who mentions Trump that he hates women. Makes me proud but it's super awkward.
goofball_jones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:32:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember going all the way back to when I was 10 years old and the election then was Nixon vs. McGovern in 1972. The teacher had a vote in class and Nixon won, McGovern didn't get any votes in the class.
Meh...who knew.
koalataco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im a little late but over the summer I worked at a camp and overheard two kids talking.
Kid 1: Im voting for Trump because he's going to get rid of all the mexicans.
Kid 2: Yeah one in five mexicans are terrorists.
Kid 1: Yeah mexicans did 9/11.
fatherping ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:53:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son told his high school spanish teacher that he wants trump to win because he is going to build that wall. She was not happy with his comment.
drpantalones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:12 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife teaches sophomores and juniors in East Texas. Lots of hillbilly kids with skoal ringed jeans randomly yelling TRUMP during class. So glad these idiots can't vote yet.
EveoftheIdes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:44 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't teach elementary, but my son is 8. We were on vacation this summer and eating breakfast in a hotel lobby with a tv set to Fox News. He saw Trump on TV and asked me if I was voting for him. I asked him if he thought I should. He said "No way! He doesn't like Mexicans or women. He makes fun of disabled people. He is just so mean! Everyone should be equal and he doesn't believe that. He would be a terrible president."
I don't watch the news at home (I read the news online) and my family rarely ever discusses politics. We live in a very red state and most of the kids he goes to school with like Trump because that is who their parents support. I am so proud of my son for forming his own opinions and standing by them despite the influence of his peers. We have had long discussions about the election process, the importance of the vice presidential nominees, the third-party candidates and their policies, and have watched all the debates. Like a lot of Americans, he doesn't like either candidate, but is dead set against Trump.
pemanah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If Donald Trump is elected, he's going to paint the White House gold."
Honestly, I don't think the kid is wrong.
Born2dodishes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like there's going to be a lot of /r/thathappened material in here...
Grubalubadingdong ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:12:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a summer camp. A camper came in for only the last day of one of the week long camps and started talking about Donald trump. I live in the Midwest so trump supporters are common, but mostly outspoken in my area. We asked him why he thought trump was going to make a good president "he is going to nuke the crap out of those terrorists!!" I have never been so scared for the future of our country.
fetamorphasis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:13:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really expect kids to have the judgement to understand why a statement like that is bad. Adult presidential candidates on the other hand...
Grubalubadingdong ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:18:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't mean it in the way that the kid was bad. But what his parents must be saying at home also worries me. He is influenced from somewhere.
bambamtx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 5 year old was putting down Trump based solely on overhearing network news. My wife stopped watching the news while he's around because of all the negativity being pushed.
adhal ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah the news and their constant promotion of twisted words and clips without the context when it comes to Trump, yet not covering all the nasty crap she has said or done. Hell CNN even went as far to say its illegal to read the wikileaks documents and to trust them to cover the info contained (then proceeded to not talk about jack of the important stuff).
adhal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:28:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id be more scared of Hillary and her constant provocation of Russia, because that would mean the entire population of Earth would be wiped out due to the nuclear winter that follows.
vixyisthepixy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach preschool and one child said, "Did you know, Mr. Trump just isn't very nice?"
Can't argue with that.
WhereAreMyMinds ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:53:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: why children aren't allowed to vote
AlphysAssistant ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 18:16:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Why children should be allowed to vote
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:56:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students seem to break down along demographic lines. I have a lot of Muslim and Hispanic students, all of whom despise Trump. The black boys as well as female students of all races also dislike him. A few kids with disabilities don't like him because he has said offensive things about people with disabilities. The only kids who seem to support him are white boys.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:34:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Curious: what did he say about people with disabilities?
hannnnnnnnnnah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:50:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most notably, he mocked a disabled reporter, in public, while he knew people were watching and he was being recorded.
He also once cut off his disabled infant great-nephew's health insurance because he was mad at his newphew. And the other day it came out that he called a deaf actress on Celebrity Apprentice "retarded" a few times.
Blyd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZcuWba_HgU
See it with your own eyes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! Not cool
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:29:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So basically the same as adults.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little brother (4) says Trump doesn't like brown people, and he picked something up from tv and said the GOP is scare if he wins.
Marzian83 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:22:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At 20 months my daughter could identify Donald Trump by sight, to my chagrin. At one point, she saw a picutre of Trump standing behind Ben Carson and said "Dah-nad Trump playing hide and seek!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was surprised at how many RW professors I had when I went back to college after the military....like A LOT. The only HARDLINE liberal I can recall was a female world geography teacher who pretty much said she didn't like me being military and that she was a staunch communist. She tried to explain the Marxist view was the future the last day of class to me...I just interrupted her and said I didn't really give a shit about her views....going back to school older is a liberating experience when teachers are no longer authority figures to you but rather someone you are paying to do a job.
moogie_moogie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you go to college?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cincinnati..I realize that's probably not the usual makeup...and I had a list of history and political focused classes...
Actually I had a world religion class with an instructor that was liberal. An older guy that still lived the hippie life...he was a great guy and easy to discuss things with as long as it wasn't completely idiotic POV...I.E. deport all mexicans
moogie_moogie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, thanks for answering. I wondered because my experience has been very different, just in the sense that I haven't encountered -really- blatant bias in most classrooms on either end of the spectrum, both at a private Ivy-tier and a public state school. (I also studied econ/polisci/int'l relations).
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one was really extremely biased..except the one... they leaned right...but held opinions across the board. Like most people. Unfortunately we have extremists who act like you have to be hardline left or right or you are racist sexist in American etc
I.e. I'm pro second Pro abortion up to a point Pro gay marriage Anti 18 gender pronouns although I believe be what makes you happy Atheist Anti ILLEGAL immigration Pro legal immigration Pro raising min wage Anti 1% Pro capitalism WITH heavy regulations
Among other things.but depending on the issue I'm either labeled a commie or a tea bagger
DeQuan7291 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not teacher, and not at school, but me and my friend call them Hillary Clit and Donald Dick.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:44:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On of my neighbor kids was just screaming "Don't be such a cuck!" at his brother outside my window literally five minutes ago.
HillaryGodhamClinton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha
CreatrixAnima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait... the implication here is that someone who uses the word "cuck" has had the opportunity to breed. I'm not sure I'm buying it.
UnclePetey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Girlfriend teaches third grade in Oklahoma.
She told me that last week the kids were getting loud and talking over each other and a little boys said "GUYS SHHHHHH! We are acting like Donald Trump!"
kenzieq33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My boyfriend teaches in a predominantly Latino school. He had one of his 9th graders ask him if he would miss them when Trump deported all of them back to Mexico. It is a real fear for some of these kids, losing their families and their own lives here in Texas. You can joke and laugh about Trump's antics, but for some his election would be devastating.
malarkial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fifth graders. I overheard my daughter's friend say "Hillary Clinton wants to kill babies." My daughter replied, "Are you sure about that?" We had a discussion about it later.
MrsSpice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
7 year old heard a news clip several months ago about Trump and women and asked who Trump is. I said he wants to be president.
"Does he have a wife?" Me: Yes "He doesn't make any sense then. Doesn't he like her? He must like girls if he married her. Would he like for people to treat her differently than boys?" Me: I'm not sure "Does he have a daughter?" Me: Yes Now she is indignant: "I don't understand him! That makes no sense! Doesn't he want her to grow up and do whatever she wants? Would he be happy if someone was mean to her because she is a girl? How can he feel that way when he has a daughter?"* Me: I agree. It doesn't make sense "I would NOT vote for him and I bet other girls don't either."
robochicken11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
mutatron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man l loved having those kind of convos with my daughter when she was little. Good times!
seaguns ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:29:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The conversation I had with my 7 year old son during the 1st debate:
Son-"Mom, I think the lady will be president." Me-"Why is that, son?" Son-"Because nothing he says makes sense. I can't understand him. I can only understand things when she talks."
ILL-AF ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read: Clinton makes sentences easy for liberals to understand
seaguns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Thank goodness she does that for my 7 year old liberal.
EatSleepLearn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am a parent not a school teacher. My 8 year old told me that her freind is worried that her dad who is Nepalese will be deported if Trump is elected. He is here legally. My 12 year old has very strong anti-Trump opinions. We live is a very liberal area so it's not a huge surprise. I will say neither of them speak very much of Clinton at all. In my house my wife 'felt the Bern', I've always been 'with her' just not nearly as enthusiastically as I was for President Obama.
skunkwrxs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:08:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend is a first grade teacher. Most students don't speak about it but there are a few that just parrot their parents (mostly Trump supporters). Last week their computers weren't working and one of the kids who talks about Trump stood up and yelled "THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, MY TAXES PAY FOR THIS!"
Magical_Fruit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that Hillary is taking their guns and had a student draw Trump with a "Butt Chin". I teach 6th and some students actually watched the debates. Those students realized that Trump is "insane and rude".
art3miscook ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:55:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grade teacher here. My girls voted for Hilary because of "girl power". We had a school wide election and Hilary won... in Texas. Perhaps there's a change coming.
Boston__Massacre ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:05:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(I'm with anyone besides Hilary, just making that clear prior)
My step son (8) came home from school a few weeks ago and heard me mention trump. He said "trump is bad!" He's watched all the debates for the past year with us. I asked him why he thought that. He said my teacher said so!"
Him and I spent an hour and a half looking at both websites and googling their points to see how they impacted citizens and which were better/clearer.
I was unbiased but did get frustrated that his teacher boasted her opinion upon students as the right ideals.
Imaybelightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teachers have an impact on students no doubt. I had a large majority of conservative teachers in my education through high school, but I really only knew that due to inquiring myself. I not once in my time in k-12 had a teacher talk about their personal feelings towards a political affiliation. Largely, I was taught about whatever I was in that class to learn about, heard some personal stories when we asked, and learned if we wanted to be taught. Teachers, IMO need to keep THIER politics the fuck outta the classroom. For reference, I'm 33, was educated in a catholic private school k-6, the rest were public schools in rural-ish wi.
Brown_eyed_pea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my wife were watching the debates and my 2 year old daughter looked up from watching peppa pig on her tablet, saw Trump and said "he's creepy!" Then returned to watching peppa.
lobodelrey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my aunt told me that her 4 and 7 year old daughters had a disagreement over Trump/Hillary at a restaurant in West Virginia. Apparently the 4 year old saw that they were the only nonwhite people in the restaurant so she started chanting "DONALD TRUMP! DONALD TRUMP!" really loudly and made the people laugh. Then the 7 year old said "No! He's evil, I like the woman better." And the 4 year old said "I know but I just want the white people to think we're for him so they don't hurt us." Kinda funny and sad at the same time.
agiantpufferfish ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm a teacher. My students are extremely diverse and mostly low-income, and they: love Hillary, think Trump is going to get rid of all their friends and family, and think Trump is a huge racist. All this stuff on tv, especially the ad with the kids watching Trump say horrible things, is true. They're watching and taking it in.
imdaMANimal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Answers question. Gets downvoted.
truthonlyhurtsgirls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kids are afraid of Trump taking their friends away? Only if their friends are illegal....
yans0ma ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:32:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Crickets chirp
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:43:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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yans0ma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'll be damned, yes I commented first.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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yans0ma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I appreciate your optimism friend.
ani625 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:08:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
centipedes navigate
Cerus- ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:10:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Straight into a fire hopefully.
Roasty_Mytosis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Centipedes leave fire, strength now redoubled, with the power of one of the four elements on their side
yans0ma ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Straight from the horse's mouth
S _ _ ah Je _ s _ _ _ P_ r _ _ r
Kykeingmcfuckingkyke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uh s?
SweetBearCub ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
clicks on "Solve"
arsicaake
[Enter]
I win!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: judgmental teachers calling students derogatory terms for not agreeing with their own political views
ZeeBeeblebrox ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:04:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't seen a single comment to that effect, pretty much every comment here said they realize that the kid is just parroting their parents opinions.
srdev_ct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't seen this either. Triggered?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One went so far as to call one political side of kids "insane", another said "hearing the students just increases my hate of [candidate]"
Robbo_100 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:13:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, or from the USA, but when my 8 year old niece lets rip, they tell us they've just done a "Donald".
FeelGoodPhil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:12:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good to know our youth's minds are already poisoned by the trash that we call the media. I guess you gotta get to em young before they learn to think on their own.
Portalus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:08:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter came come believing Trump was a bad word. We spent the evening looking at Trump accusations getting more press than the wikileaks facts coming out about Clinton.
ashleygator ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a nanny for 5 kids whose parents are YUGE Trump supporters (lawn sign, multiple bumper stickers, slogan hats, etc.). They asked me who I was going to vote for, but I kept my mouth shut because I'd like to keep my job. They then proceeded to talk about how "crooked Hillary" is going to ruin our country and take away all of our guns and let grown men use female restrooms. "Mr. Trump" is going to save us from the Muslims apparently. They also don't allow the kids to go to Target (because of their transgender bathroom policy) or Starbucks (because they "oppose the 2nd Amendment"). They're great kids, but I wish their parents wouldn't force their political opinions on them.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:53:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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idreamofdinos ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:13:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of shit you would never expect comes out of the mouths of children. One of my coworkers had to go to the parent of her kindergartener because he had yelled at the new girl, "Bitch get the fuck off my playground!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My personal favorite was, "You ain't gonna have no daddy 'cuz he's gonna get shot in the head" to a kid whose father had just recently been deployed.
Awful? Totally. Hilarious to hear from an eight year old? Horribly so.
idreamofdinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that one is rough.
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:36:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my son was in first grade, his teacher tried to humiliate him in class and we had a talk on the walk home about how he nearly cried and didn't like that he felt bullied. The teacher was ridiculing him for coloring a pig blue on a sheet with no instructions; I sat down with him to read Green Eggs and Ham that night and taught him who Picasso is, and explained that different doesn't always mean bad.
The next day at school, the first thing he did was go up to her to tell her that he was going to color things however he wanted if there were no directions because of Picasso and Dr. Seuss. Later on in the day, she tried again to mock him and he just looked up at her and said, "We've already been over this."
idreamofdinos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:06:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hate when teachers try to squelch kids. I'm glad your son stood up to her!
lydsbane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So am I. I've since removed him from that school and I'm teaching him myself, but I make a clear point every day to tell him he should form his own opinions of people. I don't want to sway him to think as I think. I grew up like that, even without realizing what was going on.
But he told me once that he doesn't like some of the relatives of mine that I have problems with, and I reminded him not to dislike someone just because of my history with them. He said, "I'm not. I know enough about them to know that I don't like them." And that's what's happening with Trump.
I just wish that some of my male relatives had that same attitude. They're spewing venom all over facebook and one told me that the women Trump sexually assaulted "deserved what they got." Is it any wonder that he's not in a relationship?
369damnufine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently had this conversation with a student:
Student: "I wouldn't vote for Trump if someone forced me. I wish I could vote for Bernie but he's not in it anymore."
Me: "Well, did you vote in the primaries?"
Student: "No, but-"
Me: "You can't complain then. If you didn't vote then it's partially your fault he isn't running anymore. Don't complain if you didn't vote."
Student: "Um.....I'm 12."
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If you don't vote you can't complain" is possibly the single stupidest argument that has ever been put forward by any human being.
369damnufine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:47 on October 19, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ok.
garrus777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So did you forget he's 12 then?
djmidge ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:05:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My daughter is in 3rd grade in Arizona and came home worried that Trump is going to send some of her friends back to Mexico...it's sad that we have candidate for President that makes 8yr olds feel like this
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:21:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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imakemusic22 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:44:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because all 3rd graders that are here illegally came here of their own accord and deserve to be punished because their parents wanted them to receive a decent education.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sending someone to the country that they were brought from illegally isn't really a punishment.
MyFaceIsItchy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:07:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they are here illegally, they should be deported, with their parents, to the country from which they came. Illegal entries displace possible immigrants that followed the rules.
I don't know about you, but I don't think illegal families should be rewarded with asylum while families that followed the process are now shafted because of the assholes that broke the law and took their spot.
Immigrant that followed the rules, is here legally, pays taxes, etc.
Immigrant that breaks the laws, is now limited to unskilled labor positions, and contributes nothing back to the US...
I'll take the former please and thank you.
imakemusic22 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they don't contribute anything to the U.S., except: all the taxes most of them still pay, the cultural diversification they bring, doing all of the hard underpaying physical labor jobs that most Americans seem to think they're above doing. Also, they'd pay even more taxes if being a documented worker didn't result in them being deported. And after having watch the spouses of two different family members go through the legal system to become citizen, I would argue that the government is hurting chances of immigrants who go the legal route far more than the illegal immigrants are.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:37:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm actually a child of immigrants and I'm genuinely curious... what "cultural diversification" do we bring that benefits the country? I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't like us, I just don't see what's so special about us.
imakemusic22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I may be biased because I live in Arizona, but I get to experience Mexican culture in a lot of ways I most likely wouldn't if there weren't as many immigrants here. When people come here and bring parts of their culture, it ends up rubbing off on people they interact with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What ways do you experience it in? Is there a certain size the community needs to be for it do anything? I'm from a fairly small immigrant group, so I doubt that we have any positive cultural contribution, and just contribute to the amount of immigrants in general.
scobes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How?
Oh I see, you don't understand how any of this works. Never mind.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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MyFaceIsItchy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a nice argument. Here's the thing, you can only be empathetic to one of those. By being empathetic to the law-breakers that do not contribute anything back to society, you are being an unempathetic fuck towards the people that did everything by the book because they respect the process and want to be a real American.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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MyFaceIsItchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's people like you that give those that share your opinions a bad wrap. If you cannot provide support for your argument and instead result purely to a terrible insult that doesn't even make any sense whatsoever in this context, then why even comment? You just make yourself and others like you look like complete imbeciles.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My argument is that you clearly don't know what empathy is, and if are incapable of identifying your sense of empathy and your ability to control it, then it's obvious you are refusing to extend your empathy out of chauvinistic righteousness.
djmidge ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what about when they aren't? You're missing the point
dddaaadddd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:37:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Its unfortunate their parents broke the law by coming here illegally but its not America's fault that they have to face consequences for what their parents did
SadGhoster87 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or, and I'm just spitballing here, they don't.
dddaaadddd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:53:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not?
If for example a parent robs his local Gamestop and gives the games to his kid, do you not think the cops should snatch them away from the kid (as well as putting the father through whatever legal punishments there are for his crime)?
By standing with illegal immigrants and the kids of illegal immigrants you spit in the face of the Americans who went through the hard process of coming here legally (my father is one of them)
SadGhoster87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:40:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100% exact same situation no changes at all nuh uh
dddaaadddd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never said its the exact same situation. Good job avoiding the point though
SadGhoster87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My point being that the same things that would apply in that don't apply to the original point.
tehlolredditor ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately it this was a clear cut issue there wouldn't be a border debate. Some people don't have the luxury to wait for the long process, and it's not like it's any easier to cross over illegally. There is danger all the time. That doesn't justify the illegality, but they are making the same types of sacrifices and hold the same dreams as anybody else. Unfortunately their limited options forces them to take the perilous route. They lack connections or knowledge, and truly they are ignorant most of the time, and when someone presents them with a seemingly easy way out, they feel like they would be fools not to take it. It's saddening, as they would consider it over staying where they are, in poverty and crime, because they know it won't change for them.
djmidge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you think your statement is true why?
panascope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The law shouldn't stop applying to people just because sometimes they're extremely pathetic.
FloristGunnar ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:50:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary would do things 500 times worse than send an ILLEGAL immigrant back to their own country, fuck sakes people.
the_stalking_walrus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like what? Enlighten us with your future sight.
FloristGunnar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Starting fucking world war 3. Keep funding ISIS, keep doing favours for who ever the fuck pays her. Keep protecting pedophiles from going to jail. Keep protecting her rapist of a husband.
I could make a huge fucking list if I wasn't so god damn sick off the uneducated people who only takes their information from one side of media rather than actually studying and looking into all the horrible shit hillary has done.
She has already showed time and time again that she's a lying psychopath.
esayer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I voted for her. Suck it.
FloristGunnar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even live in america, the loss will be for you people, "suck it".
esayer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever cuck. Why do you even care?
FloristGunnar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because she deserves to be in jail, and she's the reason for 5000 american soldiers deaths along with 500 000 in eastern countries.
She just has no empathy at all, she's a real sociopath and deserves life time in prison, that's why i care.
And judging by your "Whatever cuck." you're not even old enough to vote, so that's good.
esayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:02 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm just saying what all you cucks say constantly. It's seriously your favorite word. Also, There is absolutely no use trying to argue your conspiracy theories with me.
FloristGunnar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:52:56 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never use the word cuck lol, idk why you're generalizing so much.
Anyhow sorry for the late response, wasn't on the computer yesterday.
Here's hillary funding isis and dismantling the iraqi army and police. https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/world/hillary-clinton-made-a-small-fortune-by-arming-isis-wikileaks/
Here's hillary defending a pedohpile who brutally raped a 12 year old girl, https://youtu.be/AdxMvXgCqVw?t=33 She says "I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs", esentially saying she knew he was guilty but still protected him, and then she laughed about the whole thing.
Hillary clinton selling CHEMICAL WEAPONS to a dictator donator. https://youtu.be/Y5S2G6jm1Og?t=235 There's a few straight forward ones which doesn't require much of your attention.
I could give you so so so much more, but if you actually care and really want to find more you'd be able to do so on your own very easily.
esayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:16 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really don't know why you're trying to argue at me with your conspiracy theories. I voted Clinton. Bye.
FloristGunnar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:02:56 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I replied cause there's others here who asked for the information lol.
Also those are literally straight facts, and a literal RECORDING of her exact words, how exactly does that make it a theory lol?
Learn to accept facts even if they don't make you happy. Facts are facts.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, that's our word. You're not allowed to use it.
PEPE!
djmidge ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And what about for those legal...do you think my daughter's classmates are illegal just because we live in AZ?
tomsix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying you think legal citizens are going to be deported?
djmidge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, we're talking about elementary aged kids...follow the thread
tomsix ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:02:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You ever consider maybe it's your dumbass fault for telling kids trump hates Mexicans rather than he's against illegal immigration?
djmidge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the intelligence just beams from you.
tomsix ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:03:17 on November 22, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for confirming what I thought. You and your liberal friends were the ones telling children Trump wants to deport all Mexicans.
tomsix ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:04:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And besides, no one told you that your daughters friends are illegal just because they live in AZ, you made that dumbass connection yourself.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that 8 year olds are brought across borders illegally...
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If her friends are illegals....
G0ldengoose ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:55:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is full of hillary propaganda employees.
ScottSierra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something I've learned from Reddit: Anyone who doesn't think Hillary is garbage can only be a paid shill. Nobody even grudgingly votes for her or thinks she has the slightest merit unless they've been paid off.
I'm grudgingly going to vote for her. If her campaign, or CTR, offered to buy my endorsement, I think that'd make me not do so-- and tell them to eat shit.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, most teachers are liberals. It makes sense that they (at leas subconsciously) influence their students towards their own political views
G0ldengoose ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:20:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is influencing a kids decision. They should be aloud to make up their own minds
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Children lack critical thinking skills.
Most kids don't like guns because guns = death = bad
They don't exactly dive into rights vs security, warfare, catholic/ Protestant warfare, bill of right, and other shit like that.
They echo what mommy, daddy and 8-3 mommy (teacher) says
G0ldengoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a very limited amount of kids who think of their teachers as parents. Majority will be indifferent to their teachers, probably just see them as authority figures they don't like.
The issue is it sounds like a lot of these comments are teachers who have enforced their opinions of people kids shouldn't even care about. They should be more interested in playing in the sand or playing with insects theyve found.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They need to encourage critical thinking. Not "mommy likes, daddy likes, I like"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. I know it sounds almost like parody at this point but there is a lot of truth in the idea that people aren't freethinkers as a whole. Politics is mostly about emotion, not logic. Your parents teach you the opposition is evil, so instead of thinking for yourself you just believe it. The media bias you have pick makes you feel self-righteous about your beliefs, so you refuse to hear anything else.
Diknak ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol Trumpsters are full on delusional.
G0ldengoose ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:02:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Standard hillary delusional reply. Ignoring what is evident across the entire site and still sticking up for someone who relies on cash to sway the votes
Diknak ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are full on bat shit crazy if you think not just one subreddit, but all of reddit has been hijacked but Clinton. Why? Young people really fucking hate Trump, so it makes no sense to waste money convincing young people of what they already believe. With Sanders, it made a whole lot of sense to try and change the social media message, but it's completely unnecessary now.
G0ldengoose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:22:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been her campaign since day one, why change what is working and she already has established? Look at /r/politics, they have 0 threads which baxk hillary negatively. The biggest subreddit should be open to all opinions and not having trump positive posts deleted or downvoted by bots
scobes ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:45:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation
Sorry, the simple English wikipedia doesn't have an entry for it but I'm sure someone can help you with the long words.
Diknak ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That subreddit doesn't censor anti Clinton posts. Go to /new and you will see them. They just don't get upvoted.
egamakadedidiut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if you don't think the vast majority of public school teachers/professors are rabid liberals youre the one that needs their head checked.
Diknak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the comments? Most of the people say they aren't teachers....
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leftists, not liberals. Actual liberals wouldn't support either candidate (except maybe a lesser of 2 evils kind of support) but liberals haven't been in US politics for a long time.
adhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually its called CTR (Correct the Record) and there is proof of it.
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Proof it exists, but there is also proof that CTR is in no way near even being capable of having a noticeable presence on reddit.
adhal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well we can agree they are ineffective, just another waste of $350+ million dollars by Team Hillary.
Wonder if that came from all the donations for Haiti the Clinton foundation got but never gave to the Haitians.
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The budget for CTR is like $6.5M or something like that. What's the $350M figure for?
adhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your correct there, not sure why I thought it was that high. Still a lot of money when you consider how many accounts one person alone in an office can run.
But I can admit when I made a mistake :)
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but they do oppo research mostly. I mean, think about it this way - what's more likely: that a Clinton PAC made an out-of-touch attempt to appeal to younger voters by setting up a Facebook page and Twitter account that posts bad memes, or that they're breaking several laws to secretly influence the userbase of a website that has maybe 50% American readers and barely registers on the Alexa top 10?
adhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just Reddit, no one's claimed that it's all social media, Facebook and Twitter primarily. They have been caught repeatedly in 4chan and that is even a smaller userbase
SolidThoriumPyroshar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it's 4chan. Literally anyone could pretend to be a shill to troll people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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adhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol the article based on a investigation done in June of 2015?? Think about that a bit.
zuqui23 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:56:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hillary's call center?
G0ldengoose ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:01:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can pay for comments and likes on reddit. 100% hillary is paying for it
zuqui23 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
someone downvoted our comments
G0ldengoose ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:23:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually don't downvoted stuff I'm involved in. Youre supposed to downvoted things that arnt relevant or are blatant trolls
ReeceChops44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT
cexylikepie ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:20:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
underrated comment.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: CTR hard at work.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:27:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Public education system is very diverse in the US. What did you fucking expect - all white middle class public schools?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:52:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The white population is declining, and most of those white people are older. Moreover because of white flight and gentrification, the educational system in the US is heavily segregated. Public schools in the south and cities have whites as a minority. The rest of the white population goes to private or charter schools.
The only person getting triggered here is you, clearly. This isn't new, this old info everyone has known about and studied for at least 2 decades now. The fact that you didn't realize this is true by checking your local public school demographics and comparing it to private school demographics and the demographics of your town shows your willful ignorance. Willful for what reason, I can only guess.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ChaIroOtoko ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:47:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL, I am a hillary shill.
XFX_Samsung ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Bunch of made up stories.
Gravelock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly any kids in elementary school who are afraid trump will "kick them out" most likely just have horrible parents who try to scare them with these things.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Gravelock ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:19:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if there illegal I guess they should be reported yeah. My entire direct family excluding me are all legal immigrants and there not worried. By excluding me I mean I was the first born here.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:25:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Gravelock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
? If a Parent comes here illegally, then pushes that onto there child they're a bad parent. You're trying to say people coming here illegally then pushing the fact they're illegal on there children are good?
*Anyway with whatever you say next just make it your closing statement don't really want to continue this discussion.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What if they thought it was a choice between living here or dying there? Staying where there's a lot of violence and not much money is not exactly the hallmark of a good parent.
BallinBrown23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with kids and live in Canada. We were taking the bus the other day and 2 grade four kids were discussing why they think that Trump doesn't like mexicans(because they aren't american) and if he will actually build a wall.
They didn't really seem to know much about Clinton
battletoasta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary school teacher in South Korea, my kids think Trump is crazy.
drakeanddrive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Off topic but it's crazy to me that I was in elementary when Obama was elected, now I'm in college ready to vote.
kitkat1122 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of our vocabulary words was "Obvious" last week. The kids had to use the word in two different sentences as part of their practice. One of my fifth graders wrote the following:
"Donald Trump is obvious because of how orange he is."
We had previously discussed how something that is obvious is easy to see or hard to miss, so when I read this sentence all I could think was, "Well, he's not wrong!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Clinton rigged the primary". A lot of kids think that it seems.
FelixTheScout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good. It's true.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thinking it was rigged is my litmus test for mental retardation. I've got bad news for you...
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean she colluded with the DNC and received debate questions before the debate with Sanders
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:42:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever makes you kids feel better.
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry facts don't agree with your narrative
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Facts? You guys don't know the meaning of the word. Your panties are in a twist cos Sanders got beaten into the dirt. Show me hard proof of election fraud. Until then maybe learn how to take a loss like an adult.
IrishDonIsAKike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you one of those retards paid by Hillary that are talked of in the O'Keefe video? I think so.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No no I'm not actually. So you're voting for Trump, right? That's cool. So do you think all the people calling Trump and his bigoted supporters (I'm not Jewish btw) are paid shills? There's no possible way that most of the world thinks Trump is bat shit insane?
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except I'm not a Sanders supporter
Isn't that crazy? That someone can acknowledge corruption against a candidate they don't support?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:29:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Swing and another miss, kid
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Woooosh
Is everyone who doesn't agree with you dumb?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not all. People that fall for conspiracy theories sure are though.
IrishDonIsAKike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:01 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dirty shill, OUT OUT OUT!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So, who are you voting for?
IrishDonIsAKike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not voting. Especially not for Trump or Clinton. Biggest pair of nut jobs in modern politics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. Why do you hate me so much?
IrishDonIsAKike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your obvious trolling/shilling - at least on the WikiLeaks sub. Just returning the favor ;) Don't worry, I'll get bored soon enough.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm not shilling. Just trolling. I wish I was getting paid. Best of luck!
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:15:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess, you think the Holocaust was a conspiracy too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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YouStupidBeeotch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:33:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol what. The fact that Hillary cheated Bernie out of a nomination is a right wing conspiracy?
Is that why you assumed I was a Bernie supporter? Because you somehow think Bernie is right wing?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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YouStupidBeeotch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:34:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, why do you think the Holocaust was a conspiracy?
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess, you think the Holocaust was a conspiracy too
TuriGuiliano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
95% of my students are Latino. I've been asked if I'm voting for trump and they're worried they'll get deported if I do. I've heard a lot of 2nd graders opinions on Trump using... choice words.
_uff_da ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My nine-year-old daughter asked me, "If Trump wins are we going to have to move?" She was under the impression that everyone would have to go back to where they were born. She is a blonde haired, blued eyed American citizen living in California. She thought she would have to move back to Texas as that is where she was born. I haven't discussed the election with her at all, but she has a lot of Mexican friends at school so I think she picked up this thought process up from them.
Bonus: "I heard Donald Trump pays $600 for a haircut! It's not even that good..."
DrLawyerson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:20:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude... Explain basic shit to your daughter.
orangeappeel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 7 year old daughter recently announced that "Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president, because she doesn't care about the color of your skin."
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask her about super predators
Aggieboyfriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of my African American kids think they'll be sent back to Africa
hughnibley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is absolutely pumped full of /r/thathappened material.
uniquememerinos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT people telling about kids parroting their parents political views and having incorrect information about Donald Trump.
The_Zanester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Father of a kindergartner here. I visit the school often and have sat in the class to read stories or just have lunch with my kid and her friends at school. I've been "ref" in games of dodgeball and take part in many after school activities. As in; I may not be a teacher there every day. But I'm at this school talking to kids K-5 every single week.
That being said. I've not once heard any of them utter a word about Trump or Clinton. No one, not even one child knows about the presidential race or the going ons of it.
The closest was a kid writing she was going to be a trump-ette and she just meant Trumpet, the instrument.
I'm not saying all of these stories are fake, I'm sure a few are real. But in a school with about 500 children running around and two and a half months have passed and I've yet to hear a single word about the candidates, I'd wager more than half of these stories being utter bullshit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Zanester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, high school and even some middle school is also full of memes. Trump is a huge meme, so I would buy that high school students are talking about it.
and yeah, I'm sure some kids mimic what their parents say even in Elementary school, but I'm having a rough time swallowing some kids in Canada, who aren't really exposed to the Presidential race as much as kids here are "building a trump wall" or some girl actually watching the debates and saying hillary has a "turkey neck"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Zanester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really dreading the day when I'm out of the loop and my kid says a meme and I say "Sorry, what?" and she just rolls her eyes and says "nothing dad, you wouldn't get it."
She'll never know her dad was making rage comics daily when she wasn't even born.
bufftart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yep
funkbitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach middle school on the south side of Chicago. They really don't like Trump.
SpecialEd209 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I teach in a low-income, predominantly Hispanic community in a Los Angeles suburb. Every time the election is brought up or someone says "Trump," the kids can't help but say things like, "he's going to send us back to Mexico!" or "he's going to take my parents away from us!" They live in genuine fear that Trump is going to wipe Mexicans away from this country. When I ask them who is running against him, the closest I got to a correct answer was, "a girl, right?"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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_heidin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you make a comparison, Trump is totally the reincarnation of Hitler. I'm not even a USA citizen and I am scared
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Don't you think that maybe instead of pushing your students towards your own point of view using extremist rhetoric, you should encourage critical thinking?
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean hitler wasn't actually elected though
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you are a teacher?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Yoshimods ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, hitler wasn't elected, but the nazi party gained enough seats and made hitler the head of their party, and after taking out the competition, hitler became the leader of Germany.
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say you shouldn't teach kids what didn't actually happen, as hitler wasn't elected
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obama was elected too. Why not compare every democratically elected leader to Hitler?
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually hitler wasn't elected. He lost the election. So if trump loses he'd be more like hitler, not less
AboynamedDOOMTRAIN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly outside of elementary (8th grade) but I had a 13 year old part Karen, part Muslim girl who rarely speaks, is incredibly polite, and an honors student on top of that write
"FUCK YOU BITCH TRUMP
Love,
Muslims"
in giant letters across her notebook. I was internally proud, but I obviously couldn't let that go.
gawro1jd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Taught 6th grade in an inner city school.
"Why does he hate us?"
"He isn't going to win, right?"
"He wants to send all the black people away"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of my kids hate Trump and will quote him and laugh hysterically.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw some sixt graders put on a skit in a talent show towards the end of last school year. Still better than the current Daily show.
soverdahl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My third graders are scared to death that Trump will build the wall and send them back to Mexico. We were reading Scholastic News about the election and they freaked out (my class is ~50% Mexican students).
bbrosen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would kids think this? It's not like the parents snuck in illegally
soverdahl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are all here legally. They just think he hates all Mexicans and will send everyone back there.
Justducky0515 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my 3rd grader came home from school crying. Said that if Trump gets elected he will send her best friend away because she's Muslim. She begged me to let Hilary win so her friend can stay in America. I think kinds might be more perceptive than we think.
Bootsanator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an ESL teacher in Korea. I teach Kindergarten through middle school age.
None of my students have ever mentioned Clinton.
Multiple students have mentioned Trump without any reason to, and any time Trump is brought up by anyone he is universally ridiculed.
Imaybelightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The psyc-ops reach is that far? What media do they have access to that would give them that impression, if you don't mind me asking? Or do you believe it is the politic beliefs of their family? This is an interesting thread.
Bootsanator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just regular Korean TV and news stuff as far as I know. American politics affects the world, they're paying attention over here.
Imaybelightning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would assume they would be! It's interesting to me what types of images and sounds are used in news coverage in general. Ya know, like how and why would they think in such ways.
lcber007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a bilingual kindergarten teacher in Texas. One of my students started saying "fuck Donald Trump". I asked him to stop, then I asked him why he was saying that. He said his grandpa told him Donald Trump was going to send his mom to Mexico.
TheNotoriousJim15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An 8 year old student started crying because someone told her that if trump wins she won't be able to have the job she wants because he hates women. This girl has wanted to be president since she was 3, November 9th is going to be either awesome or scary for her. ๐
Imaybelightning ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:30:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you tell her that was completely untrue, and if you put you mind to it you can do anything you want; and that many woman hold high political/business positions in this country right now?
emiltsch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend is an inner-city teacher. One of his students is a Muslim girl, 6th-grader.
She is sad and worried her Father is going to be shipped out of the country and that she will be forced to stay with an American family who hates Muslims.
Incredibly sad that's what a little girl has to experience right now.
My friend tries to console her daily.
RoyGBivvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach bilingual students who are mostly from Mexico. Unfortunately, they are terrified of his proposals and know very well at a young age what hatred there is for immigrant families in this country. They will say things like, "If trump becomes president I won't see you next year because he will make me move back to Mexico since I'm not American." It breaks my heart.
jesuisunchien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory not a teacher, but I was a teacher's aide.
One of my students asked, "Who is Bill Clinton?" and another student said, "Oh, I know who that is, that's Hillary's husband!" and a couple of kids nodded their head in agreement.
It's interesting how Hillary has become more influential than her husband, to the point where young children think of Bill as "Hillary's husband" rather than "a former president of the US".
abruce123412 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, she's relevant right now
They wouldn't know about either if Hilary wasn't running
renseigner_enseigner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in the UK but I'm American, and some of my kids have asked if I'll vote for Trump. They were worried that the terrible things they hear about him on the news might also reflect my views, being that I'm from the US. I said i simply don't share his values, so I won't be voting for him.
Jubjub0527 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A few of my students have expressed concern that they will be deported. My mother is a trump supporter but she doesn't realize that, given her Muslim last name, she will be one of those people forced to register should he win.
mtux96 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:02:35 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Jubjub0527 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:22:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not reading your response beyond the first sentence. I know it won't happen. The fact that a presidential nominee would make such a statement is what is appalling. Stop making excuses for his hate rhetoric.
ThereAreSixLights ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of my 3rd graders have starting saying "you like Donald Trump," as a way to insult their classmates.
On a more serious note, after discussing the candidates during our social studies unit, one student who is super sweet and always happy confided in me (after everyone else had gone out for recess) that she was worried about Donald Trump getting elected because her family is from Ecuador and she didn't want her and her family to be forced to leave the county.
reave_fanedit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whole lot of /r/thathappened in here. Can't wait for this stupid election to be over.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That seems really counter productive.
Vena883 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 9 year old informed me over the weekend that Trump wants to start the purge. I feel he may not be too far off from the truth.
Mabu7549 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:50 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fifth grade teacher here. I work with a very high performing group of students from low socioeconomic backgrounds. Most are first generation Mexican Americans. Very negative feedback regarding trump. One girl cried when Trump became the republican nominee. "Does this mean I'll be separated from my mom?" Another student, who identifies as white said, "Mexicans are amazing people. Why would anyone want to send them away?" I have one student, that I know of, whose family does support Trump. He is clearly afraid of sharing his views in class, considering most of my class is very anti-trump.
updateMeluv ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My fourth grader "I hate Drump. I vote for Obama"
mlem64 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
ITT: most of my students hate Trump because they're smart but a few dislike Hillary because they're copying their parents.
Blech...
TheRealTacoMike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or because they realize that she's a lying bitch who kills people and steals money from Haiti
mlem64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not my words, I'm just summing up this thread...
TheRealTacoMike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I get that
mlem64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just making sure. I'm willing to bet the overwhelming majority if not all of these stories are bullshit anyway.
TheRealTacoMike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I guarantee
gnarwalbacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a 4th grader sitting at the school lunch table with the most genuinely confused look on his face as he destroyed his PB&J. I approached him and asked if everything was ok and he replied by saying "Why did president Donald Duck grab a cat".
aladybug19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a second grade classroom as an aide. At the end of the day on Fridays the kids get to play games if their work is finished. This is a conversation I overheard one day.
Needless to say, the teacher and I were a little bit more than stunned.
Kenotic0913 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 6th grade in a predominantly Latino and black community. It's really heartbreaking to hear them talk about how their families will be kicked out of the country if trump is elected
bbrosen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would parents put their kids in a position where they might be deported for being here illegally
conuly ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:23:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps the alternative is worse.
davosknuckles ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A third grader told me that "Donald Trump is a dildo". I snorted as I stifled a laugh, swallowed hard, and said that is an inappropriate word to use. He knew I agreed with him.
Also, My 2.5 year old daughter says "yuck, Trump" every time she sees him on TV.
FloristGunnar ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 17:48:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teach her to say yuck, terrorist when she sees hillary on tv.
TheChidd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:12:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would anyone do that?
FloristGunnar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:01:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you took some time to actually research her on ANY OTHER SITE than the mainstream media, you'd find 1000s of reasons.
The bitch is one of the biggest terrorists the world has seen, but because she's a Clinton she has immunity and the media doesn't report a god damn thing she does, it's beyond corrupt.
Please just google around and do some research, you'll find disturbing shit within 20minutes.
MrTLegal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:09:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure I could google something for 20 minutes and find evidence that the Earth is hollow as well.
FloristGunnar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You could find a theory about it, not solid evidence.
I'll give you sources tomorrow, gonna hit the bed now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RemindMe! 6 hours
Genuinely curious what you've got here.
ThatFlyingScotsman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is Hillary Clinton a terrorist? Source me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FloristGunnar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary has DONE actual horrible shit, trump has just said some stupid shit.
Actions are far worse than words imo. And nothing Trump has said can even compare to the actions of hillary.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:07:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaand you've just forfeited your right to complain about 'shoving beliefs on children'.
ronin1066 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 7th grade stepson came home and said that a boy in his class said Hillary shouldn't win because of benghazi. After the kid went on and on about it, my stepson finally asked him if he knew how many Americans died there (knowing the answer full well himself). The other kid said "Thousands!"
So he told him to look it up on google right there in front of him and that shut that up.
Obviously another kid just parroting the parents.
tellytubbygumdrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
French-Canadian teacher here. I'm just really thankful that I don't teach in English. It makes American Politics very low on the agenda.
Lover_Of_The_Light ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 6-year-old said the other day, "Donald Trump is gonna lose because he keeps putting his messages before YouTube videos and it makes the kids mad and they tell their parents not to vote for him. And also parents sometimes like to watch YouTube videos too so they won't vote for him either."
Bagpype ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My six year old niece said "I don't like Hillary Clinton. She's a liar." Politics are not discussed in her house at all btw.
Ziquaxi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach at an after-school care place in a really liberal town and we have a yoga teacher come in and teach the kids yoga and her name is Ms. Hillary and whenever her name is brought up the kids all yell "WAIT ARE YOU HILLARY CLINTON?!" "ARE YOU GONNA BECOME THE PRESIDENT?!" this one kid said "no, it's SECRETARY Clinton" and then they went on to ask if she was gonna beat Trump and insulting Trump. The yoga teacher just responded "Maybe if you all behave in this class I'll be come president." All the kids were dumbfounded. It was such a bizarre experience because I know all of them got their beliefs from their parents and have zero knowledge of the candidates actual policies.
droneondrone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife overheard one of her first graders say "My dad said if trump wins were moving back to Pakistan!"
thebigguysheamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's weird in the UK, everyone I've spoken to, and I'm sure most people in general are completely anti-Trump. I feel like America is generally more right than the U.K. anyway but even kids are saying how much they don't like Trump and are confused by him, and this is from a group of people who usually ignore even our own political system. Honestly, neither candidate is ideal, but it makes me grateful for the "bad" politicians we have here.
slimpickens42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am no longer a teacher, but was last year. We had a very high population of immigrants in my school. A lot of them a re very afraid that if Trump wins they will have to leave the country.
jdhall010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is High School level: For a project last spring two students created a Presidential Primary themed mobile (balanced torque, etc.) with Hillary, Bernie, Trump, Cruz, and Kasich on it. I hung it from the ceiling in my room. When other students came in they commented on it, a few to say they liked Bernie, and several to say they hate Trump. They wanted his picture taken down. Not many comments on Clinton or the other Republicans one way or the other.
This is a school in suburban Atlanta with large populations of Black, Hispanic, and Asian students so for these demographics it is not unexpected. Some of the Hispanic kids used to joke about Trump this time a year ago, but over the course of the year it stopped being funny and turned into outright animosity.
Kidbeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it sad that some of these are things I have heard adults say?
diceorama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had a few instances of kids saying and doing things. A few boys were building a Trump polling place in the sandbox (don't really know what their angle was but other kids tried to tear it down). I had one of my 2nd graders say, "It's as the saying goes, 'You're voting for either a crook or a kook'" which clearly came from her parents' mouths. Finally, I had another 2nd grader, when told Trump was a bad man by another kid, say, "He's not bad. He's just bossy and sometimes people need to be bossed around."
Mearii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 1st and 2nd grade ELs and they're all worried they're going to be sent back to Mexico if Trump is elected. When I taught in a high school last year, one of my students asked me if I worked for Donald Trump. He told me, "I don't want you trying to get me deported, Miss."
notdanb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's 8 year old nephew likes Trump "because he's got red hair and a cool last name." Said nephew also has red hair.
EmilyamI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in a demographic that is largely Hispanic and impoverished. My fifth graders are terrified that Trump is going to kick them and their families out of the country. They call him racist on a regular basis. We wrote realistic narratives lately where they could choose their own topic, and about a third of them wrote stories wherein Trump loses the election.
They know and say next to nothing about any other candidate, but Donald Trump is like the boogeyman to them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher, but a friend of mine told me that the kids in middle school are very bent on making as many Trump and Hillary jokes as possible.
I'm not surprised, to say the least.
Nefullion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well most of the teens know Trump for memes and media propaganda, therefore they don't like him.
Captain_Freud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of kids like to ask me how I'm voting. Of course you never tell them, but it's hilarious how into it they are. To them it's like a game, and their family has picked a team. They just want to see if you're on the same team, and get equally excited no matter how you answer.
A few of them are able to parrot off a few of their parents' talking points, but overall it's in good fun to them.
beazley26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember in elementary school that the 4th and 5th graders were allowed to vote in a mock election of the 2004 presidential race. I distinctly remember almost everyone voted for Bush, which makes me cringe looking back on it.
spazzymcgee918 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We did the same at my school in kindergarten for the 2001 election. I didnt know anything about anything. But I voted al gore because my parents liked bush and I just wanted to be a brat
LiveLifeBeautifully ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my students and I play mad libs, they use Trump's name for nouns. It usually turns out pretty hilarious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever their parents have said. They just ape it back.
briscoecountyjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small rural school in upstate NY. A couple of my 7th graders asked who I supported and I said I wasn't enthusiastic about either. One of them then said he wished President Obama would just continue. Later in the conversation I suggested voting for "Giant Meteor 2016". The kids thought the bumper sticker was pretty funny.
SaxMaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach music in an elementary school with a 95% Hispanic population. 5th graders are singing a song for our concert about Mexican pride and, during a break in the action, one of the boys says "Mr. SaxMaan, we talked about it and we want to dedicate this song to Donald Trump."
I had to break it to them that we can't make that announcement at the concert.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not Elementary teacher, or I guess teacher of any kind I guess but so saying I teach sunday school and children's worship might not be the right word BUT ANYWAY, the kids range from 4-10 years old, and to my surprise I haven't heard a word about the candidates from them. I've actually heard more about why U.K./UofL sucks than anything political. But I guess you can see where our priorities are here _^
Happyfever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I want to play the Trump-pet!"
Minus30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I dunno, I think he has a few good ideas"
NessieMonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At my work a little boy was saying that he loves Trump and that he was nice because he was giving out money at Disneyland.
newsnweather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did Trump do wrong? He "kicked somebody" at work.
fluoronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I upvoted this before reading any of the comments. No regrets.
Mrs_Foofymonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1st grade teacher in Georgia. Most of my kids have told me their parents are voting for the woman and that Trump is a crazy man. A lot of their political knowledge comes from their parents, but I'm interested to see what they say when we do our mock election in a few weeks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking at the reasons for why children support their candidate and minus parroting their parents their reasons aren't much different from most adults or teenagers.
StayPuffGoomba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My class is pretty divided, which surprises me. Last year almost all of my class was pro-Hillary. For the most part, the kids just go "Boo" and do a thumbs down for whoever their parents dont support. Normally Id use the election as a lesson on how we can have civil discussions and listen to other peoples ideas, but this election cycle has gotten so vitriolic that Ive just put a moratorium on both Clinton and Trump. Time in my classroom is already at a premium and I dont want to have to corral hissing cats.
thedinosarefriends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 7 year old told me that Donald Trump had come to defeat the devil. I wouldn't recommend sending kids to religious schools...
Arts_and_Cats_42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids like to play MASH (kid game to tell how your life will end up) for a bad husband they always choose Trump. Whoever ends up being "married" to Trump always makes quite the scene!
x6o21h6cx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
also in canada, my grade 8's are constantly trumpeting trump. they'll do a presentation and at the end "vote for trump". they love him, a little ironically. they are not invested in the results of his election, so it's funny, it's shocking, it's rebellious. the smarter someone is, the less likely they are to say this.
PartTimeLegend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher, nor am I American.
I was in the car with my nephew today who was asking why I went to America for work.
He said he'd never go to America that's where Donald Trump is from. He's 11.
Artiquecircle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No a teacher, but asked my young son 'how his day was' like usual. He said, fine, but were not allowed to talk about Hillary or trump at school anymore. I asked the expected 'ok, why, that seems a little odd' and he said too many kids were bullying and justifying it if the next president can be saying mean things, we can too that's fair and funny right?. They had a school assembly about limiting watching the attack adds, and how it's not right and a free for all Q&A with the students, teachers, and school councillor.
Osolsian6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
99% Hispanic - in my classes, I get everything from "every body will vote for Trump" to "I can't like Trump- 'm Mexican and he's gonna build a wall, and it's gonna be hard for us to go back and forth" a friend advised him to build a tunnel.
jetigig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a very red state. I remember when I was in school during the Obama-McCain election, all the kids that I talked to wanted McCain to win the election. Most of their reasoning was racist junk, and I'm sure they were simply repeating what they had heard at home or on TV.
When I was teaching over the summer this year, the positions seemed split pretty evenly between Pro-Trump and Anti-Trump. I never once heard a mention of Hillary. All the kids either hated Trump or loved him.
ladywrists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in an area that has a high population of Hispanic students, and they are all freaking out at the idea of a Trump presidency. I taught 3rd grade last spring and a student told me she's concerned that her parents will be deported because they aren't authorized to be here, but she is (she was born here). She didn't know what would happen to her if her parents got deported, since they don't have any family here.
I teach fifth grade this year and my students have been grilling me on the exact process for how their families would be deported. They have asked about everything, from how people would find out that their families are unauthorized, to how long they would wait in detention centers (some of them have family members who have had to wait in detention centers before, so they are already familiar with the extensive waiting periods), to what would happen to them if they had to go back to Mexico or Honduras or El Salvador or Guatemala. It's really sad to hear about.
KeaPatera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 8 I asked my teacher if Obama sweat as much as other black people. I have no idea where I got this from
emdee39 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I vaguely remember getting scolded in 2nd or 3rd grade for telling a classmate she was stupid for liking Bob Dole better than Bill Clinton.
millibugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That Hillary Clinton wants to kill all babies. I live in the south, teach 3rd grade. I've also been told Trump will send people to Mexico, both Mexicans and non Mexicans.
catpflug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids repeat words they hear from the news and their parents. I usually shut it down because it doesn't fit but I did have them calculate the cost of living and minimum wage net pay after looking up income tax to get an idea of how much money they need for the life that they want after some decided to continue being vocal about minimum wage.
justagirl106 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Third grade, Title I school in California. 60% Latino.
"Ms. _______, I'm worried that Trump will get elected because then my family will have to go back to Mexico."
When we did a mock primary, the poor girl who was severely misinformed: "I voted for Trump because I heard that he wanted to build a wall between the US and Mexico, and I know that the two countries have a lot of problems with each other, so I thought the wall would solve their problems." She changed her mind after we watched clips of both Hillary and Bernie's post-primary speeches and understood the purpose of the wall.
But my favorite was that, for several months, they thought his name was "Trumpet," and would allude to him sounding like a trumpet.
Sagemoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach an afterschool program in seattle. Mainly kids will repeat what their parents say, which is a heavy anti-trump message. In my class, I will try to promote a positive and respectful learning environment, so I tend to change the subject off of politics whenever it comes up. The kids only say negative statements about this election, never positive.
ticklemelink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother is a first grade teacher at a Catholic school. She showed me a recent assignment where they had to use certain words correctly in a sentence, one being the word "not". A girl in her class wrote, "I am NOT a Hilary fan!"
hell_kat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was carpooling with four 6th grade Canadian kids this morning. They love to talk about Trump. They talk about how he used the "P word" and he "kisses lots of women". They are also unamimous in their decision that Hillary should be president but would have preferred Bernie. I heard from the teacher they talk about Trump a lot. Only one kid in class likes Trump. He also says his parents/grandparents hate Trudeau so I'm not shocked. The teacher lets them talk until they get overly argumentative. Then she tells them they sound too much like CNN pundits and makes them change the subject.
PipBoy3100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My guess is... whatever their parents think...
Wisdominwonder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I constantly hear students asking if Trump is going to send their families back to their country if he becomes president. I couldn't be being more serious about this answer. It's an almost daily topic at my elementary school.
ManateeRex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach art at a pre-k through 6 elementary school, so I see all of the kids of different grades. Its interesting to hear their interactions about the election. They pick up a lot of stuff from their parents and the internet. My kids come from low income neighborhood with a high Hispanic population of first generation Americans, so you would think that they would hate Trump based on his views on immigration and the "wall," but honestly they think he's funny, like a hilarious cartoon character they can't wait to see on TV next. I am more amused by the fact that they talk about who they are going to vote for, then I promptly let them know that they are 8 years old and aren't allowed to vote yet haha. But I do think it's great they discuss politics, I just wish this election was a more "serious" model for them and they didn't just see it as a funny national joke.
Calarco3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have ninth graders mostly but I heard a kid say to a friend 'if she gets elected we're all going to die'
macabre_macrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a middle school teacher (6th grade) and my students think that Donald Trump is awesome because he is "savage."
dangshnizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can assure each of you that this is just a reflection of what their parents teach them
CzarNickIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm student teaching in middle school and have a kid who does a pretty damn good Trump impression. That's why we chose him to be him for our election project
Sithlordandsavior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware, but it's just a thing to keep them from cursing, so I allow it.
freudian_faceplant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a student tell me that he was scared that Trump was going to kick out his family (since his mother is an immigrant) but Clinton wanted to ban video games and that would be worse!
shaebae98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mr Trump is building a wall from Mexico to China
Efflux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is an elementary school teacher and she texted me this note she found. What an oddly specific coincidence... http://imgur.com/a/qjEnJ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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bufftart ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:09:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i like this kid
Jepep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but in my class in us history we recently talked about everything recently going on in politics, out of 20 I would say 5-10 openly said they like Trump 2-5 were hillary supporters and the rest either were undecided or didn't talk.
bufftart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this might be the closest truth post on this whole thread
thesidestepkids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tangently related. When I was young, my mom tried to explain a gay marriage proposal that was on ballot to me. I distinctly remember replying "I have no problem if two men want to get married...as long as they like, don't live next door to me."
Kids don't understand a lot haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So one of the 5th grade students I worked with commented on our president poster. Asking "why isn't Donald Trump up there?"
zuqui23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work as a teacher in a history class for an elementary school in Ohio, and one kid once said. " im voting crooked hillary for president of america"
trabca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in Virginia and am surrounded by Democrats (not one myself, though, so that's fun...). Anywho, all I ever hear is what they hear from their parents. Usually it's pretty basic with comments of: "I want Hillary to win."
A couple weeks ago, however, we learned about the different types of conflict in literature, and the kids had to illustrate and give an example of each of the 4 types. One of my kids drew this for Person vs Society
Made me laugh.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This kid was running for school captain (honorary position), and he said: "If Trump has the chance to become president of the US, then I can become the captain."
Lad was fucking mad. And this wasn't even in America.
POCKALEELEE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 6th grade. A few of my students echo their parents extreme views, but there is a good mix of support for both (Michigan, BTW) and it has been completely civil. We don't talk about ti in class, but I eat lunch with them once a week.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CTR goin hard in the paint in this thread. Hats off, you virgins.
Darkmetroidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked at a summer camp. I had forth graders arguing about trump and drawing pictures of the wall. It's actually kind of hilarious that they parrot their parents.
darfini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My turn to
testegnards ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work in 1st grade no specifics but if you ask any little girl they're in love with Hillary Clinton for no other reason than she's a girl - I wouldn't say it's concerning or anything or surprising as all of our minds at that age would have that type of simplicity - I envy the naivety.
Disclaimer: Clinton and Trump are both twats
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a district with a decent sized Hispanic population. One day a bunch of white students were crying because they were afraid that Trump might make all their Hispanic friends go back to their countries. It was kind of sad, but also nice to see that ten year olds care more about people than 60 year olds.
EmperorSexy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a group of thirteen year old girls say that Bernie Sanders is old and has bad hair, and Trump is old, gross, and has worse hair, and Hillary has a weird voice.
diberlee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not a teacher, or even American but I thought I'd share my 3 year old's words of wisdom.
"Trump is another word for fart so he's a fart man"
"He lives in Trump Tower. I bet it's really stinky in there"
Diknak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where is Trump another word for fart?
diberlee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a more polite/kid-friendly term in England
myinnerdevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a student wearing Trump socks with realistic 3D hair
leyebrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but was an au pair and had some Irish children under the age of 12 tell me how bad Trump was. Kids basically just repeat whatever they hear around the dinner table.
The_Spaceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in rural NC, and as you can imagine it's largely Trump supporters here (with the exception of the younger crowd). Anyways, I was working with my students when I overheard an interesting conversation between two girls that goes something like this.
"I hope Hillary wins."
"Why, Trump is gonna win"
"Because Hillary's a girl, and we can have a girl president!"
Idk why but hearing this small conversation made me really happy when heard it.
mattemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not teacher (hate when people do what I'm doing ugh sorry) but a lot of my friends who have kids in elementary school "hate" Trump solely based on his commercials. None of my friends are particularly political or care to discuss politics normally (I'm the most vocal of all, I'm not even sure how some of my better friends feel about the election). This seems to be where a lot of kids are getting their thoughts from, just what they see on TV. As a parent of younger children, as vocal as I am, I don't want my kids being told anything about either, and let them get older and come to their own opinions.
A couple best friends of mine are elementary school teachers and they seem to think the same thing ("so and so said he hates Trump today, said he always sees him yelling on TV") so fortunately around me at least, a lot of parents aren't involving their children.
ApplesBananasRhinoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have heard kids in 6th grade joking about building a wall, like Trump.
DMala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On July 4th, on the way to fireworks, we walked past a house with 4 foot high, lit up letters spelling TRUMP. On the way back, my 4-year-olds, up 3 hours past their bedtime and out of their skulls on cotton candy and Sno-cones, started saying "Donald Trump!" to each other and laughing like loons. Eventually, "Donald Trump" mutated to "Donald Trumpy" and then to "Donald Dumpy". They had everyone around us cracking up all the way back to the car. To this day, we still refer to him as Donald Dumpy.
thetwigman21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other day I was driving through my neighborhood and on one side of the street were kids holding Hillary signs shouting "Go Hillary!" And on the other side of the street were kids holding Trump signs shouting "Honk for Trump! Trump that bitch!" These kids were maybe 9 or 10.
In case it's not apparent, I live in a somewhat white-trashy neighborhood.
LeahBia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I lead a summer youth group for special needs children and one of the children told me he hopes Trump doesn't win because if he does then his daddy has to go away and he was in tears. They are a Hispanic family
rockstardma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I regularly update a bulletin board with news from the community and elsewhere. I was stapling up a photo of the two candidates after the first debate with the headline, "Who won?"
Kid comes up to me and asks, "So who won?"
Knowing the area of the country I live in I decided to play it safe. I responded with, "...well, both had pros and cons so I'll call it a tie."
Kid quips back, "I heard Trump won. He was a lot louder."
A level 10 educational moment appeared so I questioned back, "When you're loud in class does that mean you're always getting the question right?"
Kid takes a few moments, "...well, no. I guess not."
My final response, "Then the same applies to the debate."
thelittlebitter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late, but oh well. I work as an after school tutor for immigrant and refugee children, currently we have a substantial Muslim population.
Early on they liked Clinton because a lot of them go to a school named Clinton. The kids are genuinely scared that if Trump wins they'll be in danger. They're afraid he'll come for their families and throw them out of the country, or put them in jail. They also think his name is stupid.
han_nah_solo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Donald Trump is mean and Hillary is a liar" from a first grader. They also want me and my co-teacher to dress up as them for Halloween.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know at the camp I worked at this summer, every kid knew who Trump was and that he was a bad guy. Hell, it was even used as an insult once.
ThePedoHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I heard a random kid at a park say that he wants Hillary to win because he wants a girl president.
I also heard a 6 year old girl say that she likes the idea of there being a wall but only if it's rainbow colored.
poopfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same thing their parents say, just in a higher voice.
Soupkid81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We did a worksheet on trump vs hillary
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in 3rd grade my elementary school did a presidential vote between Bill Clinton and Bob Dole. 80% of the school voted for Dole. Clinton won the election. I for the life of me couldn't figure out how Clinton won if more than 80% of my own school voted for Dole.
Probably rigged national election.
Correl_Nocte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I'm in 11th grade living in a swing state. However, I live in the blue-er part of the state, so we have much more democratic teens then republican. We still have some Republicans because this is Appalachia, but it's surprising me because one of the Trump supporter kids actually is questioning his own vote now. Our teachers crack jokes a lot, but you can tell the tensions are high and that people are scared. No one knows what's going to happen.
The teachers have a lot to be afraid of.
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For example?
Correl_Nocte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kids on general. As the election date gets closer, you hear more and more from us teens and especially the elementary kids. As I've seen, a lot of the kids just copy off their parent beliefs, which has some bad influence towards what they say at school.
I think the worst I've heard was a 12 year old who started talking about how Hillary was a rapist. I don't know how that got into their minds, but I could only assume it's from their parents.
Or the internet. It's pretty awful on here, especially because of the upcoming election.
mutatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad! This election has really brought the level of discourse in this country down. In my lifetime the only election year worse than this was 1968, when both Martin Luther King Jr. and Bobby Kennedy were murdered, and there were riots at the Democratic Convention in Chicago. But we didn't have the internet back then, so us kids were more insulated from it all, at least I was. And then we landed on the Moon the next year. Crazy times!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I don't trust psychologists
gh0sti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife's student said that he would never vote Hillary because she's a woman and woman make bad mistakes.
The-Real-Mario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT, Canadians... me included, wtf
minaleigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fifth grader: "If Trump becomes president he's going to kill all the Muslims but I don't think that's going to solve the issues he thinks it's going to solve".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He sounds like my crazy grandpa
EliteNub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Mother teaches Elementary Schoolers. She's said that they basically just regurgitate whatever their parents views are. One specific qoute I remember is "If Trump's elected we'll have more money!"
ritchie70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but our 4-year-old says we have to hide the cat if Trump is going to visit.
snowyhockeybum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First graders .. haven't said anything. But they know who Obama is!
obuibod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Canadians conspiring to take yer jerbs.
sandwichmonster25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm going to vote for Hillary Clinton. I already voted. TWICE."
OK, kid.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Democrats are children
levi_o_sa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach first grade at an inner city, low income school. The majority of my kids are in favor of Trump because "he has lots of money." They are under the impression that a rich president will make them rich.
_heidin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so sad
seymour2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a lot of the adults who are voting for him.
heroin-enthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a daycare teacher I had a seven year old Mexican girl tell me she wouldn't vote for Trump if she could vote because he doesn't like her and would make her leave her home.
cortney2113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a little girl who is about 7-8 in my class and her mother is younger than me(27) has 4 kids, pregnant at 15,( we actually went to the same school) with all different baby dads and she is for trump. The little girl says trump is an amazing man and Hillary is a liar. More random things like that were said. And i consider my self educated and not a complete moron but I was dumbfounded when she started saying these things to me. She also told me the cops are bad and she isn't to be nice to them. They are white. And we live in nj but not in a red neck town....actually our water tower says it's a premier community. They aren't rich either but how can a women actually believe that trump is a good person and feed her children lies, well guess in her eyes they aren't lies but wtf! It's infuriating.
NGuns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had 6th grader get up in the middle of class on Friday and yell "I fucking hate Donald Trump". So that kind of stuff.
Trianghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My third grader asked me:"Who would you vote for, If your only choices are Donald Trump and Ted Cruz?" And then I had the chance to explain to him what a catch 22 is.
Hereswhat7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but work with kids. I overheard three kids playing a computer game, a brother / sister of chinese decent (maybe 7 and 9 yo) and a 9 yo boy. The boy asked if they were voting for Trump, all parties said, "No!" immediately because he was "bad" and identified themselves as Clinton supporters (not surprising, I live in a blue state). The 9yo then told the chinese brother and sister if he won he would make them go back to their country.
The details are a bit off, but boy do they seem to pick up his xenophobia. Pretty sad.
todayeveryday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The nephews were using trump as a replacement for fuck. As in, "You trumped it all up." Or, "Trump you, you mother trumper!"
meatygoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our 5th graders are currently researching the presidential candidates for an upcoming class election that we will have in November. A lot of the kids only exposure to Trump is via memes they've seen and they really only know that he wants to "build a wall" and "kick Mexicans out".
masturblaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"If you vote for Trump, he's going to make us leave." I teach in a town with a high Hispanic population. They are frightened by the idea of Trump as President. Fun story: We use the Box Tops to vote for Clinton or Trump and all the votes are for Hillary. Trump did get one vote though - it was a warm cheese stick.
HawksPackHeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From my 2nd graders:
"Why does Trump think mexicans are bad? I am mexican. My grandma is mexican and she's not bad."
"Why would Trump say he would shoot a man? Thats not something you should joke about."
"I think people like Trump because he speaks his mind. But he doesn't say very nice things when he speaks his mind."
Dr_Scientist_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My middle-schoolers yell "Build a Wall!" at each other.
It's all just a big joke. They have no deep understanding of any of the issues, the wall least of all.
who_killed_Scalia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wall is a simple metaphor. It means more of us less of them. It is the opposite of diversity.
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who_killed_Scalia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And we will build that physical wall. It is the first step towards reversing diversity. But inevitably it will come to violence, whether the wall is actually built is really of no concern.
love_otter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the topic of Trump they say all he ever talks about is how rich he is.
With Hillary, they think she's been put in jail already and gotten out.
bangarang710 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
these threads always end up like "not a teacher but"
TiffanyTries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in a diverse area of California. One of my students said "I don't want anyone to vote for Trump. He's going to send her family (points at Mexican kids) and his, hers, and his families away if he wins!" They all gave me very confused and concerned looks.
DaRkNovA81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My niece got called Trump at school as an insult.
smittywergen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my students told us Trump is really two parakeets in a trench coat.
rminsk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife, Nicole, came home from volunteering at our daughter's school. (She teaches a "centers" reading group for a small number of students in our daughter's third grade class.) Do you remember that moment in the debate when Hilary mentioned the boy who had come to her with his fear that Donald Trump would, if elected, deport him?
Well, Nicole had two kids in her five-child reading group who were also frightened that they would be deported because they were not born in the U.S. Apparently, she used the moment to pivot to a lesson on Social Studies and told the kids that since there are three branches of government, even the President of the U.S. doesn't have unlimited power and the Legislative and Judicial branches would not cooperate with a president who tried to deport children like that. Happily, that calmed the kids down a great deal, but wow.
BTW, one of the two frightened kids was the former ardent Trump supporter who kept yelling "Hillary is a liar" back in mid-September at Nicole's 1st reading group visit.
PixieStixNA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but I'm an 1:1 aide in a school for children with disabilities. Surprisingly, a lot of the African-American children are seemingly Pro-Trump, parroting opinions from their parents. It's very uplifting to see a paradigm shift from a predominantly liberal group of people.
guardian143 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom teaches first grade. She says her students argue back and forth and have started saying they'll punch those who disagree and throw them in jail.
Saturn_Is_Fallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend teaches special ed and has heard to Donald Trump referred to as the orange man that hates Meixcans.
TacticianGracie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little sister (I'm not a teacher, sorry), when I asked about the Trump wall, said, "Is he going to put the wall around all the islands?" I had no idea what she meant until I realized that she somehow thought that Hawaii and Mexico were the same place.
CyanideFlavoredTea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(Not exactly a teacher, but I'm a "teacher" at a before school/after school program) One of my fifth graders loves to sing songs about Trump that I assume he learned from YouTube I'm guessing. Such hits include: "Do You Want to Build a Wall?" and "You're a Racist, Mr. Trump". It's weird to have to tell children to not discuss politics at school. Haha.
brown2295 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
3/4th grade teacher in an inner city school, Trump is NOT popular with my class lol
taminahz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher. I work at a drivers ed company in Texas where we offer online chat support. I had a teen girl tell me she was worried about not getting her license before Trump was elected because she might be deported if she didn't have one.
rabbidwombats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah thanks for the amplification. I'm hungover and couldn't be buggered to google anything.
harbours ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I work with kids in Canada. The kids I work with just like to make fun of him because the rest of the world is. They've also said, "If Trump wins he will start World War Three."
fight_me_for_it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This past spring a bilingual kindergarten started a conversation with me, "are you Latina?"
Why?
" Don't vote for Trump, because he doesn't like Latinas." She went on with her speech switching between two languages explaining that if Trump gets elected she'll have to go live with her grandma and not her mom and dad because Trump will make them go back to Mexico.
Her soap box speech was cute and sad at the same time. She is a gifted child. I wish I knew what she had to say now that she's in 1st grade and wiser.
Ghost4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my niece said that "Both of them are really bad, Hillary is going to take all our guns if she's elected."
Boardwalk22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever their parents say honestly.
synapseMafia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that is why this thread exists. People want to know what the parents are saying because the kids repeat everything; especially when they are away from said parents.
zetaphi938 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at an inner-city pre-K through 6th grade elementary school and honestly the students don't say very much about the election which I find kind of refreshing. Most of these kids are worried about clowns coming out of the woods as their biggest fear which I think is hilarious because most days they'll designate someone on clown watch even though a teacher is out there.
Bullying does happen though but since we're about 80% African-American it has very little to do with race and more to do with kids being around each other all day everyday and coming up with petty issues to argue about as they become more independent people and hit those weird teenage years.
But bullying happens everywhere and i'm sure in some places it is politically motivated because that is what students discuss and use to build an identity.
Crispywookie1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My parents were planning on voting for Gore in 2000, and I ran home from elementary school crying one day because my friends told me Gore wanted to kill all the babies.
lshayr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my coworker has a son in Kindergarten. His teacher called to let her know that everyday at lunch he and his friends sit around the table and he asks "Who are you voting for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?" After he asks each kid he then chants "DONALD TRUMP DONALD TRUMP" and fist pumps.
NaechsteHaltestelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also not a teacher but my 6year old daughter overheard a conversation I had about Trump not being able to find a running mate (this was earlier this year) so she declares to all of us that she's going to be his VP. I laughed and said ok sweetheart you can be his VP. Joke's on me though because everywhere we went she started screaming VOTE FOR TRUMP EVERYONE!
finnalloveragain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great topic!
InkPrism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well...
beez_nuts_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher, but a camp counselor. I was teaching my special needs campers about the basics of American history. Usually when I teach them about anything, I ask questions and let them answer rather than just telling them the facts. I was trying to lead them towards talking about the Civil War, so I asked them if they knew what had happened in the 1800s that divided the country and started a war--one of my campers said Donald Trump. I was laughing so hard I had to take a moment to myself.
Nothing_Doing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Canadians
Lahogoni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school student, I have a word power teacher who uses trump as an example for all the words like misogynist and how he's not an altruist, ect. Pretty interesting
TheUnityPirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but one of my classmates made three Mexican kids cry after a class discussion.
Wally13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One kid in my preschool was talking about how trump is a bad guy. He was able to get the whole class onboard so we had 15 preschoolers talking about trump being a bad guy. We had to shut that down pretty quick.
AdventurePee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but a camp counselor, over the summer I had a 6 year old girl express concern to me that Trump's wall will prevent her from going on vacation to Mexico because the plane wouldn't be able to fly over it.
DivineArbalest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm doing my student teaching at a high school that's 60% Hispanic. Use your imagination. But I do think November's going to be interesting to say the least.
Rickmull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
just testing
something[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All of these comments sound depressingly like how many adults I've met make voting decisions.
westin_majors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory not a teacher but...my fiancรฉe loves telling the story of her loud-mouthed student who proudly told her, "I'm going to vote for Trimp." Yes, Donald Trimp.
oldusty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talking about peacemakers and peace breakers and a little dude raises his hand to say, "Donald Trump is a peace breaker because he said your schools are bad and your teachers are bad"
chevblzguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck donald trump"
estrogyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I heard a 2nd grader say "Hey guys! Did you hear what Trump said?" I realized that almost any truthful answer would have me sending the kid to the principal's office for inappropriate language.
DafoeFoSho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nephew (7th grade) told me he wants Hillary to win "so her dad can make all the decisions." Had to remind him that Bill is merely her husband. But I appreciated that Hillary still held the greater appeal even for a sexist.
MattAU05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 10 year old said in his classes mock election almost everyone voted for Trump (we live in Alabama), a few for Hillary, but only he selected Gary Johnson. My heart swelled with pride and love.
Slow_Cooked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Is that President Business?' - 5yo
Sadly I don't think this has a warm fuzzy ending.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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mrvudu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, not very many replies that fit the question. 3rd grade teacher here. I actually got a substitute teacher fired over this. We get this little newspaper called 'Scholastic News' and I left it for my sub to give to the kids to quietly read and summarize. Anyhow on the cover was the candidates, and the title, 'Who's Going to Win?'. The article doesn't mention policy, but does talk about the Democratic process involved in an election.
I guess the Latino students of which my room is about 70 percent started to scratch out Trumps face and loudly declare their dislike of the Donald saying, "He wants to send us all back to Mexico." Well the sub gets the great idea to ask the class to raise their hands to poll who they would got for. A couple of girls admitted to supporting (of course they are just reflecting their families views) D. Drumph. Well wouldn't you know, the Latino students asked the girls why they want to send the Mexicans back to Mexico. It got a little ugly i guess.
Well long story short, the girls went home in tears and asked their parents if it was true. The parents wasted no time calling and complaining. The sub will never work in our building again, and I had to smooth things over for everyone when I got back.
I told them it was unlikely that somebody could send all Mexicans back to Mexico. It would be as if our principal decided to remove all third grade from the school, administration wouldn't let him. That said I also told them that I would never tell them who to vote for but that their parents would here and say all sorts of crazy things we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I_eat_lemons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I tutor elementary aged kids. A seven year old Muslim girl asked me who I'm voting for. I said Hillary. She said that's good and that Trump hates her for being Muslim, that he wants to kill her and her family. She's fearful of him winning. I assured her he won't win but fuck. Poor kid.
TheRealTacoMike ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry that you're voting for Hillary
SNCreestopherX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Work in a before and afterschool program for elementary aged children. They usually just talk about how Trump is going to build a wall, and that the "Mexicans are going to pay for it." We usually have to shut that shit down immediately. Also say that Clinton deletes her emails.
So, honestly they talk with about the same knowledge as 90% of the population.
pixlfarmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was explaining to my 5yo how Hillary might be our First Lady president, and that Obama was our first president with brown skin. She responded, "Oh yeah? Well George Washington was our first president with white hair."
Can't argue with that.
EVOSexyBeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
C-dog
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of the students' dad told him that Hillary Clinton literally murdered people.
RudegarWithFunnyHat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People say that on Reddit too though
whostonedtx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no teacher but I'm Hispanic and my family comes in different shades. My nephew is 100% Hispanic but looks 100% white. He happens to have strawberry blonde hair and one of his classmates called him "Donald trump" and the other student followed along and started teasing. He came home from school angry and crying because he doesn't want to be called Donald trump because trump is bad and mean.
nomadforchrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read the title as "Elementary students, what have you said about Trump or Hilary?" And I was thinking why a child would be on reddit.
TRUMP2016BUILDWALL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 16 y.o autistic cousin was having an existential crisis a few months ago because he took a test online and it identified him as a republican when his entire life he had thought he was a Democrat.
He often just repeats his mother's viewpoints on everything including politics. His condition causes him to struggle to form his own opinions, brilliant kid however
kovr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher, but I was helping with a "kids day out" function when one of the kids said "Donald Trump is so bad. He hates babies and everything."
thekyledavid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A buddy of mine teaches Science, and she said that one of her kids is refusing to learn about Climate because Trump said that Climates don't exist.
dan200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Lots of kids parroting their parents positions because they don't know any better.
TasxMia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school science teacher in South LA here. My students hate Trump but they also don't really like Hillary either. They were initially rooting for Bernie but they are considering Hillary just so Trump doesn't win.
mmichaeljjjfoxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not about this election, but when I was in elementary school and Gore was running, I had a classmate tell me that "Al Gore cuts babies' heads off." Years later, I would realize this was likely his understanding of what "pro-choice" meant.
Gnarly_Nyarly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian Education Assistant. Donald Trump is a non sequitur punchline for any statement. Sometimes there are comparisons to vegetables.
Squonkster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 6-year-old cousin has told me "Trump is the worst person in my life!" and "If Trump wins, I'm moving someplace where it snows" (we live in Texas).
Picking up that liberal indoctrination inside his own house! I'm so proud of the lad.
WalkingLeaf22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last year, one of my student was convinced that Trump was going to attack and kill Canadians. A few of my students were researching Trump to write speeches for our speech unit. They all came across awful thing he had said. They began saying Trump hated Canadians and a few of my grade four students cried. It was decided by the teachers that maybe Donald Trump might not be the best speech topic for the younger grades.
Haladrial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently had to comfort a group of crying second graders because some ass hat told them that if Trump was elected he was going to send them back to Mexico. They were terrified as their only memories of Mexico consist of being desperately poor. I had never been so disgusted with other children or with the state of our country
thisisultimate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a 3rd grade teacher.
Kids at that age polarize everything, and this is already such a polarized election. Whatever they hear from their parents, they spout, but in the most simplistic and black and white terms.
It only took one student to make an off-hand whispered comment in class, and in seconds, I had a whole class in a screaming match:
"Trump is a terrible man!"
"NO! Hillary is the bad guy!"
"NO YOU'RE WRONG! THAT'S TRUMP!!!!"
"Hillary Clinton is against America!"
"Trump wants to build a wall and KILL EVERYBODY!!!"
And on and on.
There is now a strict "No one is allowed to share their opinion on the candidates during class time or else" Rule in my class. For my own sanity.
Snik_brew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in my school (canada) many of the kids hate donald trump. Irrationally like they dont even watch debates all they do is say that trump would build a wall from canada and blindly support hillary. there are a good chunk though that think hillary and trump are stupid and were 100% bernie bros (like me) bye
pickle56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First grader: "I'm feeling mad today! If Donald Trump is president, he's going to kick all the Indian people off of earth!"
Fourth grader: "Donald Trump is racist." Another fourth grader: "So? Hillary Clinton is a liar!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A common refrain in this thread?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprisingly, not a word. Hoping this changes as the election draws nearer, I'm intrigued by what I may hear.
On a somewhat related note, a third grader recently asked me if I celebrate Halloween, and then acted appalled when I said yes, because apparently it is the devil's birthday. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Chel_of_the_sea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a fifth-grader say, apropos of nothing, "I'm scared Trump will win". If I had video it'd make the best Clinton attack ad ever, she's super adorable and mixed-race.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My fiancรฉ is a third grade teacher. One of her students wrote on his assignment that "Trump is a dump". They also apparently love to talk politics all day.
cane_morto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the teacher, my mom is, but she told me that the students are getting really hyped up about the whole thing and get into yelling matches. We live in Southern California so there's a lot of illegal immigrants here and there's quite a few kids of illegals going to the school she works at. They've cried about Trump becoming president because "they'll send our families back to Mexico" and when my mom asks aren't they legal the kids say no and she ends it at that. Then there's these two brothers (white) who love trump and will imitate him and bully the other children around. It's pretty crazy stuff hearing kids so young getting into the election
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 4th grader's friend asked me if Trump would deport his Canadian mother. It made me sad he was worried about that. His parents support Trump.
mvicsmith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other day I asked a pre-schooler who the president was currently. They said Donald Trump. face palm
thebanditopanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a student say that because he was Chinese (born in America) that Trump was going to deport him. He also said he watched Republican debates and the guy with the squeeky voice. i said "who, cruz?" He said yes. Lol
The_Third_Three ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife teaches middle school, her students are saying he is the next Hitler, and we are all going to end up dead.
geeko101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In IT at elementary school. We hold a mock election that all students get to vote in. Heard some 5th graders having a discussion. Things like "Trump is a racist" and 'Hillary is a liar" but they seemed to be in agreement after one girl exclaimed "They both are terrible! Vote third party!"
Bigboy_nicelegs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Mr. Adam, that man he no like us cause my mom makes better tacos than him huh?"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was teaching a compare and contrast lesson and a student asked if he could do a compare and contrast between trump and a naked mole rat.
enjoyscaestus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a daycare and at least once a week I get asked, "Who are YOU voting for?" I always tell them, "you know who" and they always tell me they're voting for Trump and laugh
The_Meach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid I saw a movie on TV where a guy had a monkey and my dad happen to come in the room and tell me that was Ronald Regan.
Later at school our kindergarten teacher held a mock vote where I then voted for Reagan, not because my African-American, Living in Alabama, and Union member his entire adult life father had anything good to say about Reagan, but because I had seen a movie with the guy and remembered his name.
In retrospect, I truly hope this is not how polling secretly works.
Tigerlily74 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
LOL. Yep I remember voting in the Weekly Reader poll :) I too voted for Reagan, not because I knew who he was (He did speak at a big rally here) but because I said to myself, Well Mr Carter has had his turn. Because that's what we did in Kindergarten, we took turns.
new_wave_hello ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a side note, my dad would tell my sister and I to turn in for the night by saying, "Come on, bed time for Bonzo." As an adult visiting the Reagan Library I saw the movie poster with Reagan and a monkey titled "Bedtime for Bonzo."
kndbrs1229 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my younger brother (7) asked me if all of his friends on the back of the bus would have to go back to Mexico if trump became president because of the wall
Chickadee4ever ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are all his Hispanic friends in the back of the bus????
shellwe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much repeating whatever their parents said.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well scamming people out of "everything they've got" and not paying small contractors and employees even though he had stated that he was satisfied with their work (kind of irrelevant though) is pretty douchy.
squintina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Famous/rich people can "do whatever they want" to women maybe?
qrseek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump is actually a racist. It's true!"
Greasier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant
Coleslaw19438 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I'm voting for the girl trump hates kids"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but a Nana. Grandson loves Sanders as did most in his class. He has switched his allegiance to "Mrs. Clinton" though (as did the other kids in his class).
He's in 4th grade.
Engardia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had one can of playdough for two children, each six years old. I told them I would give it to whoever could answer this question: "who is president of the United States right now?" One girl shouts instantly "DONALD TRUMP!" I corrected her, "no, he's running for President, who is president right now?" She replied "yes, he is, I just saw the video last night!" I asked her what video she was referring to and she said "So You Want to Build A Wall?" I think of it as some alternate dimension version of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what?[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My four year old wants a German shepherd to be president. And hey, a quick Google says she's not the only one.
Coltan375 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not one of any importance in school, except I could wreck some things electronically if they let me (not a psycho, just a really bored geek), I'm just a student. In North Carolina, the most I've heard from my fellow students are "Fuck, man. The next 4-8 years are gonna be shit."
Good times.
Lord_stinko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember during 4th grade during the GW bush and Al Gore election a girl told me that Al Gore was going to make a law where he was going to kill new born babies with a pair of scissors. She seriously believed it.
Kevinismackin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in a community that is primarily Hispanic. Kids will constantly tell me that they hate Trump and ask if I've played the 'Punch Trump App' or something like that. It's crazy how much these kids will militate their parents.
ManQnian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We were discussing a possible trip to France as a family when my 5-year-old piped up, "Donald Trump won't be coming with us, he HATES France!". I asked him where he heard that and he said "on the news." Didn't think he even knew who he was.
(We're British).
westbc59 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 4th graders were writing about important people in their lives. I asked a few to share who they had chosen to write about. One of my students raises his hand and says Hillary. Another goes: "Isn't she a liar?"
Balzar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's one from a few years ago, GWB vs. BHO. This happened in my very liberal Church. The pastor started a sentence like "GWB,..." and a six or eight year old kid in the front row finished it "that dirty c*cksucker." There was about 30 seconds of painful silence before everyone fell on the floor laughing.
Or whoever it was at the time, doesn't matter.
MrDub1216 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sitting outside the gym: (elementary school)
Boy 1: "she smells bad!" Boy 2: "she's mean to everyone!" Boy 1: "nobody likes her!"
I start to walk in to tell them that's no way to talk about a classmate
Boy 3: "no, Trumps the bad one!!"
Nevermind...
Notagingercat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm not a teacher, but I'm tutoring 2 kids who are not very good at English despite being born and raised in the States. Their parents can speak little to no English and even the programs the kids watch are mostly in another language which I don't want to specify. Anyway, the older kid is in 3rd grade and a few weeks ago he asked me if Trump was evil. I had to be careful there, I wasn't aware of their political stance so I asked him why he thought that and he said his dad did not like Trump. The other kid who is in first grade couldn't care less.
Agrona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton is going to make school last all summer.
mellophonecat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not about this election, but when I was in first grade the political rumor was that Al Gore burned babies in trash cans.
sweadle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is a good example of the concerns people have about reducing the voting age.
mstang84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exbcfb
TheSonic311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students are convinced that Donald Trump wants to send them back to Africa.
Poncho_pilate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was sitting on my front stairs waiting for my ride to work the other day and two boys around 8 or so walked by and I heard one say that he hopes trump invades Canada. ....
A disturbed little boy..
Imaybelightning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who wouldn't back an invasion of Canada to get some of that maple syrup.l? You seen the price of that stuff? That's boy behavior for, I need attention so I'm going to say something insanely weird that I don't understand.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but I remember way back when I was in elementary school, the teachers always had us "vote" by closing our eyes and raising hand up, obviously it was so she'd know who our parents were voting for! Hah
endlessly_curious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I crack up listening to my 2nd grader discuss the election. They talk about it with other kids and they interpret things so the extreme. Like she says that Trump will take us into WWIII and the world will end.
peachesonparade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kindergartener loves trump for some reason and is always saying "hillary lies." I have no idea where she got that from her dad and I don't support either but never said anything like that to her. Maybe she got it from the news? She loves watching the news.
nicolelb1114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in an urban area. My 2nd graders are convinced if Donald Trump is president that they will have to be slaves again. They also constantly remind me not to vote for him because bad things will happen.
Ubyte64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Over the summer, my fifth grade class asked who I'd be voting for. I evaded the question, telling them not to worry about it. The class, being unanimously anti-Trump, took this evasiveness as a vote for Trump and grilled me over it. It really never gets better with age.
CombatAxed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 17 and work at a math tutoring center for children (usually kindergarten - 8th) and typically kids will ask questions about anything, including the election. I usually try not to express my opinion, especially to Impressionable children, but my trump supporting boss sees nothing wrong about preaching trumps greatness to kids.
literallydying ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Canadians
Evilkill78 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And non-canadians who want to live in Canada
andjuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody commented on a mutual friend's Facebook post that their toddler refers to Clinton as Killary now and that they were super proud...
ghdana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a kid at school during Gore vs Bush I remember the class having a vote where I was the only guy that didn't vote for Bush and all the girls voted for Gore so I was embarrassed. My parents still bring up how I said "All the dumb kids in the class voted for Bush!"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Imaybelightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coach, what is up with the clowns though? Is it a weird viral thing? Or a sexual predator thing?
Deconstructress ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a costume designer, but I taught sewing summer camps this year. I had a Ludo mask out that I was working on and one little girl put an orange wig on him. She then acted out an entire Ludo Trump campaign. "We don't need a wall! I'm not going to build a wall around our borders! I'm going to build a Labyrinth!"
That was a good day. Cemented my idea to keep teaching kids to sew.
jrl999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom is a middle school guidance counselor. She told me last week that one girl has been constantly harassing Latino students and telling them to go back to their own country. They brought in the parents who are avid Trump supporters and were upset at the teachers for telling her that she couldn't say these things.
mrsuns10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a student say he is going to make America Great again
And He's Mexican haha
SanderCast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Used to teach at a school where 100% of the student population was black. One of the kids asked if Trump was gonna bring back slavery
ssotial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 5th grader I'm tutoring came in and seemed frustrated - after I asked what happened she said: "I'm so upset that evil hillary Clinton is going to win!" She proceeded to base all of her writing exercises on her prediction that Clinton was going to win.. so scary.
ElectrixReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last year my American History teacher had the whole class participate in a presidential election, assuming all the current nominees ran. It was interesting to see, and she would update the results after each poll.
Trump was much more popular with the other class, but they were likely taking it much less seriously than us.
In our class the Democratic nominees were more popular, with Bernie usually winning.
In one "election," we were doing a completely unrelated project that took up most of classtime. Our teacher showed us the results at the beginning of class and Trump was winning! Most people didn't remember to vote, but she allowed people to submit for the next minute, and we saw the results change dramatically.
Suddenly Sanders was in the lead again, and Trump was in 3rd. She told us this was a reminder that your vote is much more powerful than you realize, but you have to vote to have your voice heard.
TL;DR: Please vote, otherwise the candidates have no reason to listen to you.
lacrosse4hirer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my 7 year old stepbrother said his 10 year old friend told him that Hillary makes everyone join the army at 15
Harryballzanga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 6 year son randomly yelled out "DONALD TRUMP!" Walking home from the school bus stop. He said all the kids at school were saying it.
We live in northern Canada.
Mistah-Jay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not my students, but my own children have used Clinton and Trump to insult each other.
Example: (kids are arguing about something foolish)
Daughter- Oh yeah, well if I'm being stupid, then you're being Donald Trump, then
Son- If I'm Trump, then you're a saggy old lady, just like Hillary Clinton
I didn't know what to say, I was too busy laughing at them both.
Greendonkster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally all my Year 10's are on the Trump bandwagon. It may be because they know how easy it is to start me on a Trump rant though...............
amyourlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my cousin who is in elementary (3rd grade) said Trump is bad because he's making candy and sweets illegal.
LogicChick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of sad what little ones pick up from their parents isn't it?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend's stepmom is an elementary school teacher (in Canada), she said while the kids are playing Tag, instead of being It, you're Trump.
chickensouuup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I work for an after school program and have heard multiple times to "get ready for the purge" if Trump wins
Fernhom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach fifth grade in a 80% fee and reduced lunch school. They all hate Trump and love Clinton.
toxicgecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My nephew calls trump "the wotsits man" (basically wotsits are like cheetos in the UK) it's funny when he'll excitedly point out "the wotsits man!" on TV
take_me_with_youuu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of our preschoolers drew a "Trump Wall" with chalk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because of the area I teach, most of my students are Pro-Trump but have no idea why. Most just ask me who I want to vote for. I tell them I haven't decided, whoever did band the longest in school will probably win.
Sometimes kids will just look up at me and say "Trump tells the truth"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the parents. Kids at this age will copy their folks, or be more attracted to the bigger shinier louder things. Like their toys.
_Jay_Garrick_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary school teacher, but my little sister is of preschool age, she said "President Trump wants to build a wall, and the girl doesn't." As well as saying that broccoli tastes like the faces of both Trump and Clinton.
bluesam3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When asking for suggestions: "Are we allowed to suggest really stupid things, like electing Donald Trump?"
lionfishwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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abruce123412 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wisdom
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my 9 y/o says all the boys in her class are for Trump because "he's funny".
Stagione ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's unsettling...now imagine them being 19 and in college
goyafan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a 1st grade boy tell me he is voting for Donald Trump and that he wishes we could go back to the time where women couldnt vote... I am a female teacher.
willis0037 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Year 3 teacher here. All the boys seem to love Trump thinking of him more of a fictional character with crazy plans to take over the world. Anyways a lot of their Writing involves trump in somebody way
dangles88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a mite hockey coach and one of the seven year olds made a hilarious joke. We were doing off-ice training playing soccer and there was a free kick. I told all the kids to "build a wall" over and over again to get in front of the shot and one of them looked at me and said "you sound like Donald trump!".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GavinET ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Yep"?
googlyeyes1982 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary, but one of my 9th grade students asked if it's true that if Trump becomes President, will he allow the Purge to happen. :|
beatatree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 4th grade and the students were doing an art project. I told them to draw a border around their art, and one of the kids yelled out, "Like the border Trump wants to build to keep out the Mexicans?" ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
LarryLegend519 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I supplied in a grade 8 class and some of the kids joked about voting for him and another called him a rich, smart buffoon. However, there was a vocal group talking about how he should be president. I ran a poll and most thought Clinton would win.
JayeTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
White lives don't matter. They're very anti Trump.
NineOneFun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So I stopped teaching after the last school year ended, but I taught 6th grade in an elementary school in a very conservative state. My Latino/a students all very much hated Trump and expressed some fear of deportation regardless of their status. My African American students also hated Trump and expressed fears of him sending them to Africa, which is actually something I heard teachers in other schools in the district said students talked about. It was harder to get a read on my white students. Like I said, I taught in a very conservative area, so there was no love for Hillary. Since this was mostly during the primaries, and many students really liked Bernie Sanders. One student said she liked Bernie Sanders, but not Hillary, and her dad was for Trump, which other students made fun of her for. Around the end of the school year last year, if students wanted to tease a kid, they would tell everyone that person liked Trump, which would get some kids really upset.
Also, if they were mad at me, they would either ask or say that I was voting for Trump. I normally would respond be saying something like, "hey, we're in school and I don't want your parents thinking I'm telling you about politics because I don't want angry phone calls, but I'm absolutely not voting for Trump and don't even think I am."
Interestingly, two years ago, I had a student who would make weird claims about Hillary Clinton. I don't remember all the specifics but it wasn't as much political as ascribing bad things to her through the mind of a child. I recall him saying she had some sort of clandestine spy/CIA army under control. Of course, he also said that when the Wal-Mart closed down, it was part of a conspiracy of government takeover (kind of like the Jade Helm thing). Of course, he was Latino, too, but since he was at middle school the next year, I didn't get a chance to see if he would have come around to Clinton after the stuff Trump said became more well known. His younger brother sure didn't like Trump, but didn't have an opinion on Clinton.
I don't teach anymore, so I couldn't tell you the current opinions. Knowing the students, they're probably talking about the clown stuff going on. Some of the teachers also throw up regular Hillary for jail stuff on facebook, and get mad at me for my political views, which are not the same as theirs.
hylian122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but a therapist who works with lots of elementary kids. One told me Trump wants to get rid of all the Mexicans and build a wall not just around, but over America. I think he's picturing a giant dome over the country, but he thought it was a bad idea so I didn't argue.
my-stereo-heart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard one of the kids in my after-school class talking about how Trump would "build a wall and take us to war with Japan"
algag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As expected, these are all me as an elementary school teacher i hate myself
ItWasTheMilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 5th grade-primarily Hispanic kids but also a large number of muslims from various African countries. They all hate Trump. They say he's racist and stupid and ugly. They even attacked another 5th grade teacher who was a Trump supporter and told her she was stupid because she liked Trump.
Cannon1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then they wonder why Trump has support.
kaywinnet16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One 5-year-old boy gleefully shouted, "No! You can't say the h-word!" "I'm sorry?" Leans in, whispers: "Huuuuuuge."
Apparently his parents had jokingly decided that was a "bad word" because of Trump, and he thought it was hilarious.
And his mom could do a pretty great Bernie Sanders impression.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 7 yr old son asked if because we now live in Vermont , when he was born in Indiana, if Trump would kick him out of this state and he wouldn't be able to see his friends anymore. He was really upset about that possibility. He also is convinced that Trump would start WWIII. He's asked if we'll move to a different country. Seems like my second grader hears about it at school quite often.
djr5252 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, I'm a middle school teacher and I've heard many opinions from students. One I want to share though is from a student who's parents immigrated from El Salvador and he said "Trump thinks I'm a rapist." It was pretty heart breaking.
zarkan80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After school worker here, one kid dressed up as Trump for a day and built a block wall
tendollarhalfgallon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife teaches 6th grade science in Indiana. A student's father told her to let him know if his daughter starts talking about Hillary again.
amajaug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"the first thing I'm going to do is BUILD A WALL" "farewell America"
Waltr_the_Paladin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The students in my class absolutely love the "build a wall" meme, even though we live about as far from Mexico as possible
john2kxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be much worse than my Facebook feed.
AcrasiaCirce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me neither. Just doing what the teacher said her students did in class. Nhf
shrekerecker97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I taught computer science last year. At the end of the week I would have to clean up the computers of any junk with our IT guy. It was hilarious when we came across 300 recycle bins on the desktop all named Donald Trump. These kids were 8 to 11 y.o.
brazillion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heard from some parents who have kids in elementary school, but here in the hipster parts of Brooklyn, calling another kid a DT is a big insult on the playground.
glitterglued ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My first graders told me they sang "Baby it's cold outside" together...
lilsmudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My best friend just got home from teaching in China. The Chinese teacher had the kids draw what they imagined Americans looked like. Most of them drew blonde white people. One of them made an orange blob. When my friend asked why, he looked up, paused, and shouted "you look like Donald trump!" (She is a tall, swarthy Italian woman), he yelled this every time she entered the room he would yell that. It's my favorite thing
spider_pig123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I overheard a 9 year old girl telling her friend, "You'll know if Trump wins they are going to do a purge right?"
eat_all_the_pies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teacher and summer camp leader here. A select group of kids talk about Trump pretty regularly. One made Trump's head out of melty beads and proudly wore it on a string around his neck. He's a vocal Hillary supporter.
http://imgur.com/dRGRQV2
A coworker of mine was playing a board game with two boys (7 and 8) one day and these two were bickering about each other's moves while pretending to be Trump and Clinton. Said coworker was taking his time making a move and little Trump speaks up, "Come ON, Bernie Sanders! You're so old and slow!"
Also, lots of TRUMP written in chalk out on the playground.
Ifette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably whatever their parents say.
stfudony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grader was reading a Scholastic magazine, she then yelled "Look Donald Trump!". I took a peek and it was a picture of Owen Wilson.
WikiTiki21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a little African American boy tell me he wanted Hillary because Trump said he was going to round up all the black people and put them in cages.
beckoning_cat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This actually makes me sad on so many levels :(
ZippyTheChicken ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and you corrected the child and told him that was not true .. didn't you.
ANormalSpudBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I work in elementary schools. Predominantly African-American students. One of the schools had a mock election, the students came in rounds by homerooms.
I heard multiple students in multiple homerooms going around asking each other to make sure they weren't voting for Trump. As a joke, one of the student teachers told one of the kids that I'm voting for Trump and she looked at me like she was disgusted and walked away.
I threw in a write-in vote for Jill Stein to throw off the guy who had to count them.
etherteeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
My girlfriend teaches 2nd grade and had a student tell her how she's afraid of Harley Quinn--you know, the old lady in the election--but she doesn't trust the other guy so she wants Harley Quinn to win anyway.
jollyjew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About Clinton: "she's going to die soon." About Trump: "I hate Donald trump."
dawn417 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian here. I had a second grader ask if Trump was going to become president of Canada.
Leudius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Watch south park season 19
ZippyTheChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes .. yes he is
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a black teacher in the south and the racist remarks that the students repeat after their parents is mind spinning.
averagegamejames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend teaches third grade and one of her students asked her if she was voting for "Donald Trunk" or "that other guy."
Also, towards the end of last school year, she had a little boy say that he hoped Trump would win because he'd "bomb the shit out everyone." He was a troubled kid to say the least.
TheSilverNoble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Friend of mine works at an elementary school in an area with an immigrant population. Her kids worry about their parents being taken away if Trump wins.
Siktrikshot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is 7 and listens to news videos daily on the iPad. He said that they talk about trump but never Hillary. And trump touched a ladies privates. He asked why she didn't just tell people right away
Manute154 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian here.
My 9 year old told me there is only going to be 1000 people living in the USA next year, because the rest will have moved to Canada and built a wall.
Time to curb his YouTube time.
Level_Wizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend made a poem about trump.
seiff4242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This whole thread seems like one big r/thatHappened
etiennethekid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not elementary but high school ...I have this friend who keeps telling me that americans should not vote for hillary because ,and I quote :"she is possessed by demon" !He got that from a stupid youtube video from a stupid french guy where you see hillary shaking weirdly for no reason ...(btw I live in Quebec and only 10% of quecers would vote for trump ,because we are a bunch of leftist)
cjbrigol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 4th graders had a deep discussion about how Hillary is gonna take all of our guns away.
e28power ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:15:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But I there won't be any guns, since Obama already took all of them, right? /s
AhOkaywellthen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
.. Follow up question: and how could we grown up Americans learn from than and get some proper candidates?
PrincessKitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was very sad, but I had a 4th grade student in tears recently because he heard his friends repeating what some of their parents had said regarding the deportation of illegal immigrants. His family is from Cuba and he was so upset at the thought that someone would want to send his family away.
Evangeliowned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a student teacher but you can tell kids come from a trump family when the kid actively believes trump is going to make america great again when they're only just now learning about American history in 7th grade.
Llys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife teaches 4th grade in a very small town. Apparently anytime politics of any sort is brought up all of the kids like to proclaim their excitement for Trump and the dislike for "stupid" Hillary.
wintering6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I my son is a 4th grader. He asked said, you guys always tell me bullying is bad. Donald Trump is a bully. Why do so many people like him if he's mean & a bully. I hesitated and almost said, "it's complicated" but I didn't. Because it's not. I think it's pretty clear just based on just that and not the avalanche of things that seem to keep falling on us.
Lolanie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obligatory not a teacher, but my 5 year old said that he would vote for Trump if he could because Trump said that he was strong (we had just been listening to a story about the election on NPR on the way to school).
We had a little talk about critical thinking skills and why they're important waiting for the school doors to open.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:47:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously?
Lolanie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't have anything to do with the particular candidate (and my kid still supports Trump, btw). More about doing research about what candidates (or other people who have something to gain) say about themselves, so you can make your own decision.
We also talked about this concept in relation to advertising, specifically as it applies to commercials (which we've had lots of discussions with our kid as he's gotten older). Do you believe everything that the Oxiclean infomercials tell you about their product? Or the Ninja bullet blender thing? Or the latest "herbal supplement"? Probably not. Why shouldn't the same thought process apply for politics? And why not start teaching my kid to think about what people are telling him, especially when they have something to gain from it?
vlsanche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my Kindergarten students is confused and thinks Trump is sending him back to Mexico. But he's biracial, Mexican-African American and born in the United States. I keep telling him he's safe!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:46:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why we don't let kids vote
stripedsnipe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked as a camp counselor over the summer and I had a group of 4th graders who refused to call trump anything but "Tronald Dump"
mindfrom1215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well i know an 8 year old, wants Clinton coz they're both girls.
PM_ME_UR_SEAHORSE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this thread: Mostly Canadians repeating funny things said by children about American (U.S.) politics
nager2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My little sister is 10 and attends school in Ireland. A few days ago she told me teacher banned talking about Donald Trump because people would make fun of him so much and that after he was banned they started making fun of Clinton.
Sodium1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:26 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does Ireland care about the election?
nager2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it is one of the worlds biggest economies and we have a huge amount of American companies employing people in the IT industry. People are spending more time talking about US politics right now than Irish politics. Everyone also has at least a few relatives in the US. The Internet has also really made young people follow US politics, funnily enough through memes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Trump's gonna send us all back to Africa!" I work in a title I school.
walkerlucas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At dinner tonight our 10 year old nephew said that Trump is a racist.
mo9722 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not an elementary teacher, but an archery instructor for children. One boy was playing with some stones building something. I asked what it was for and he said "I'm building a wall to keep out the girls, and they're gonna pay for it".
VAPACOFlyFish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 8th grade right up against the Appalachians. Many confederate flags, little diversity. As previously mentioned somewhere, a student sort of randomly blurts out, "Trump!" My one of my two Latino students (who is very sincere and sweet, but very impulsive) responds, completely straight faced, immediately with, "I didn't know you were racist." Silence. The first kid had no idea what to say. I just let that thought hang there for a few seconds before redirecting things back to the distributive property. I know, I know....I missed a teachable moment.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:30 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kid should have yelled back "not everyone you don't like is racist"
VAPACOFlyFish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What made it so funny to me was the look of surprise on my Latino student's face. These two boys frequently laugh together and talk about all kinds of things. They get along very well. I would guess that in the house of the Latino student, Trump is not very well spoken of. The student from that house probably thinks that all Trump supporters are racists. So when a boy his own age, who up to this point has been nothing but friendly, says, "Trump!" it probably really confused him.
As in, "This is a nice human. How can he support Trump?" ( simple middle school logic)
chibisparx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a charter school last year and had quite a few students who had immigrant parents. They were constantly asking me if Trump was going to break up their families and send their parents back to where they came from.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 23:59:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Unless your parents are criminals, no"
Mcsavage89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of the Mexican kids at my daycare were afraid Trump was going to take their parents away :(
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:58:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if their parents are illegal.....
I mean we break up families of people who commit other crimes, having a family doesn't mean you get to commit crimes.
Then again, I'm gonna assume these people's parents are legal snd they just overheard something on the news
Mcsavage89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I'm aware, the parents are legal. It's just the kids overhearing things and freaking themselves out.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:04:31 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kids will get over it. When president trump wins they will learn to love him
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:07:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's a senpai?
CatnipChapstick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I recently found my 5th grade journal (I'm now a sophomore in college) and one of the last entries was things I hated. Among the list, including things like math problems, scrambled eggs, and running, was 'Halery Clinten.' I assume my parents were vocally upset about something in the news at the time, but we're not sure what.
mickeyblu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I run a coding for kids program and my kids started trash talking Trump and wanted to make games where you can kill them. Most of them are non-caucasian.
PinkVagine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:17 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but I work at a school and my coworker's son attends our school. She told me that keeps telling everyone to vote for the girl because trump is going to deport his parents. Apparently many students have the same fear.
Gdash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 7 year old son who is half Mexican came home really worried one day. He asked "is Trump going to deport us?". He said all the kids were saying that Trump was going to deport Mexicans
bigmommageo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My third graders told me the reason they were voting for Clinton (problem 1: they don't realize they don't vote) is because Trump kills black people.
BainDmg42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My sister just told me a story about her third graders who wrote about Trump and how he shouldn't be president because he doesn't follow the school rules of honesty and respect.
She said that they didn't use the words but called him out for racism and misogyny.
offbeatpally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:46 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stepped into a class for a presentation.
4th graders gave a throat slit finger to throat animation when calling others out about lying. In the south if that helps?
My3CentsWorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in after school care in australia. The kids never talk about hilary, but they do like to say how dumb and racist trump is.
william_liftspeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but I work with after school programs and summer camps. One my 3rd graders last year said he wanted Trump to be president because he "tells it like it is"
PossiblyAsian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my little bro wants to move to canada if Trump wins.
missmindfulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When my kids get out of hand and I'm tired of yelling, I play the montage of Trump saying "China" really loudly over the projector. They hate it. Unfortunately, they now think it's funny to say "China China China" until they get my attention.
I also have a student who was born in Kentucky who thinks he will have to go back to his home state if Trump is elected. His friends are seriously depressed about it.
I_Be_Strokin_it ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:22:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good things come from Kentucky: Bluegrass, horse racing, good college basketball, and bourbon. He should be happy.
Glitchmike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:40 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in 1st or 2nd grade they led each class down to the library and had each student sit in front of a computer and "vote" for one of the candidates at the time.
What the fuck? Grade schoolers have no knowledge of candidates or politics at all. What the hell is the point of even asking their opinion of who should be president?
I "voted" for Dukakis because he had the same first name as me.
ruddyirishhamface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:06 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My roommate is a 5th grade teacher in the PNW. Her kids sing songs about Trump hating black people.
IshiharasBitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a school, not a teacher though. One first grader told me that Trump would kill my mom if he got elected. He told several students this too, that's why I had to talk with him.
Spartajw42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:08 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That little guy probably has a cool uncle that told him to say that.
queenmunchkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only hint of a discussion that my kids have tried to have went like this:
(talking about sound energy and things that make noise when you blow through them)
Kid: Like my sister plays the trumpet!
Other Kid: OOH! There's a bad word in trumpet.....TRUMP! He's terrible.
Me: SO TALKING ABOUT SCIENCE AGAIN.....
bosma56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Build the wall!! Build the wall!! Build the wall!!
faithfullyxox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're all obsessed with Trump building walls.
thenameisbanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my sixth graders told me if Trump came to school, he would KILL him by slicing his throat. He said this very seriously.
theniwokesoftly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:29 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was working at a preschool but we had a summer camp for kids up to age ten. I had an eight-year-old tell me that he wants Trump to win. His sister told me it's because he doesn't want a girl to be president. But his family immigrated from India five years ago...
paulies222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:28 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many of these responses will end up on r/thathappened ?
courtines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My nephew told his mom that Trump was rich because he robbed 3 banks.
grandmasterfunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was a teacher last year in Brooklyn (I have since moved on to another profession). I overheard my 3rd grade students discussing the election, most of them were saying how horrible and racist Trump was.
One non-white student got really upset and said that Trump was great and he couldn't be racist because he wasn't white. He seriously thought because of his tan that Trump was a person of color.
lowfoam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty tame, but my 6th graders in South Korea said, "Trump bad." And asked me who I'd be voting for.
I was so thoroughly confused. I was like, "???!!!!"
Pooty_Taynk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kindergarten Teacher has students voting for Hillary because "She has pretty earrings."
Ecto-Cooler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but worked at a youth center. One kid, probably around 9, was talking about how Donald Trump was going to enslave all black people.
Bigjay302 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but some 4th grader told my 4th grader that if Trump becomes President then he is going to bring back segregation. I'm white and my wife is black. He was very upset thinking he would have to choose which one of us he would have to live with.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Motherfucking 8th graders are having more coherent discussions about Trump v Hillary, as well as the 3rd party candidates than my 21 y/o sister ever could hold. There are many that do not care, yet understand what is happening at the very least. Then there are the ones who are probably parroting what the parents are saying, however, they are not just repeating things. They actually understand those issues, or at least their parents' side.
We held mock debates and discussions in my social studies class, and while I started it off by explaining what a 'republican' and a 'democrat' was, kids were immediately dropping the names and positions of 3rd party candidates, then ripping into each other over the positions of said candidates.
That was pretty surreal, being that I was an 8th grader barely 10 years ago, and I did not even remotely care about politics until early college. I guess the combination of having one of the most inconceivable election seasons, coupled with the availability of information-both mainstream media and independent outlets, led to this.
naotaforhonesty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach HS, but the kids are special ed, around elementary level. We were talking about the debate and the segment on race relations (my kids are all minorities).
Student 1: Hillary is out of touch.
Student 2: that's because she's white and doesn't understand us.
Student 1: YOU CAN'T SAY THAT! YOU CAN'T SAY SHE'S WHITE!
Me: it's okay to say that, she is white. I'm white, too.
Student 1: WHO SAYS?!
Turns out white is an insult. Who knew?
Zombi_Sagan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:03 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Great question OP, great question. I feel my response is going to get buried here being so late. I won't get much help from the mainstream Reddit voters I can tell you that. I won't concede though.
I'm not an elementary school teacher but my youngest brother is in first grade and I don't know where he got it from but it is hilarious. Remember that tv show, kids say the darndest things. My youngest brother is just like that and it is the funniest thing I hear.
I've heard from him he and his friends talk about Donald Trump and Hillary in class, more so Trump. He repeats some easier soundbites, nothing nasty but his go to one is a joke about Donald Trump that always ends in 'Donald Trump has corn hair'. I don't know where it came from but it is either that or he says Donald Trump boo, Hillary Clinton yay. From what I know, he isn't disruptive in class more than usual but I don't know where this comes from.
For all your information. My father and I watch the debates together and talk back and forth about it. He is a registered Repub, I'm registered Liberal.
flutie_did_it ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when I was in 2nd or 3rd grade I heard about Hillary running for president and all the girls in my class were excited a woman was running. It just occurred to me this year how long it took her to finally run. I'm in college now.
PrinceMadi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My Classmates think that Hilary is batter than trump. what you guys think
thefinalturnip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:48:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just about anyone would be better than Trump.
taromilktea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a few kids last year use them as an insult. One kid said that another student looked like Trump.
There was the insult of: "Your hair is so bad, it looks like Trump's!"
Not too much about Hilary now that I think about it.
Landown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: not an elementary school teacher, but
LylyVanBuuren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my students is determined that Trump is going to kill people of color....
ohnospacey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students told me they don't like Trump because they don't think he's "funny".
Good job, Japanese elementary girls.
RiseiK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:25 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm part of a reading group for first graders and while someone was reading a page one of the boys starts chanting, "Trump 2016, Trump 2016" just to disrupt the flow. Crazy how a campaign hits their demographic.
Jokes aside, this is my first year in the classroom and it's crazy how children can spout rhetoric that I assume comes from their parents. (Moments later the boy had a chant match against a girl that was a Hillary supporter)
Episode911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It came from the news, prime example of how the media can propagate something.
skaterjuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, rather a father of a none year old girl. Heck, we're not even American. We are from Canada. We haven't spoken to her about American politics at all. I was explaining how we use movies and stories about war so we remeber to do our best to avoid it. Or something like that. She said many things but here are four statements i wrote down so I would remeber what she said.
"If Trump is elected he would start a war. " "Hilary is up by about 5%." "I can't believe people are voting for trump." "I'm not worried I am just eager to see who wins."" I was impressed how much she knew from her school gossip. (Again in Canada)
theabdicator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:31:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my first graders told his tablemates that if he ever saw Trump in person, he'd "use the 's' word on him." The "s" word that he meant was "shut up." The rest of his table followed up with strong support for Hillary. (I teach in a very liberal city outside of Boston.)
askeyword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students were convinced that both parties were morons & that voting for the Green Party would be the best option. They don't realize third party voting has rarely reached high enough votes to be considered competitive & that they would pretty much be forsaking their votes, despite their beliefs.
datmamathere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:21 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The little girl knew she wasn't supposed to do it, when you're in that school you either invite everyone, or pass out the invites another way, like at dance class, ball practice, whatever. She waited until the teacher wasn't in there, and gave them to who she chose in front of everyone. It hurt my sons feelings, and he came home crying. She said it as she was passing them out, 'anyone who has to go home when Donald Trump is President can't come.' Was said at that point. My sons best friend is black so he was left out because of that. I got so mad that I said something I regretted because I called the kid a butthole, and then my son called her one at school, ouch. I got a call from the teacher, but she agreed with me. And the other parents got a call, too. The teacher was PISSED at how that went down behind her back, and was glad my kid stood his ground. There were some hurt feeling over that... One little girl had nightmares because she though they were going to throw her over 'the wall' because that little girl had told her so.
KingKrisspyKream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:53 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teach, but one kid in my English referred to trump as daddy. I'm in grade 10.
dorkdiariesisforboys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:47 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 10 year old brother says Trump is going to win. He won't explain why but I'm pretty sure it's because he hears more about Trump.
I was pro-Bernie until he sold out, so we were constantly yelling at each other over Trump vs Bernie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:38 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a Russian school and the weirdest craze we had here was about one year ago; all the kids between about 9-11 years of age seemed obsessed with Five Nights at Freddy's. One girl even made a little Foxy doll out of rubber bands.
It's weird because they talked about them more like lovable cartoon characters than psychotic killing machines.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Summer creative writing teacher here. My 7th graders were playing a game where everyone sits in a circle and says one word each to make a story. It devolved quickly into Trump being stabbed and burnt alive, and Clinton dabbing to death. I'm from a super conservative area, so when one of our supervisors walked into the room I had to scold them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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McAulay_a ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:42 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong thread.
littleln ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:05 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. I'm not a teacher, but I'm a parent and I lead two girl scout troops (6 year olds in one troop, 9-10 year olds in the other). What I have heard so far is appalling.
In my troop of older girls there is a little girl who is adopted and was born in South America. This poor kid had a nervous breakdown because she was convinced (by her peers at school I assume) that she would be separated from her family deported if Trump is elected. Horrid.
Among both groups there has been an increase in discussing skin color and racism among the Caucasian kids.
My own daughter (6) started spouting very racist rhetoric one night at dinner. It was horrifying. I can only guess she heard it from a classmate. Meanwhile my oldest clearly has a teacher telling the kids that Trump is evil and that Hillary is the better choice. She's never heard anything from us other than that they are both crooked af.
Anyway, the racist crap coming out of these kids mouths is awful. We had one kid quit because of it. We could control the kids at our meetings, but not outside the meetings and she didn't want to be around them any more. I'm about to start booting kids if they can't control themselves.
notstephanie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:36 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an elementary school sub and 99.9% of the time, if the election comes up, the consensus is that Trump is mean. Very little gets said about Hillary.
Last week I was subbing in a 1st grade class and we had some downtime so I showed this video. It's fun and I thought we could just talk about the presidency and election process for a minute. If you didn't watch the video, it's a song that lists the presidents except it's from 2004 so it ends with Bush. When it was over, I asked who was missing. I got an enthusiastic, "Donald Trump!" from half the class. I said, "no, the current president is missing. Who is that?"
"DONALD TRUMP!"
I asked, "is he the president right now?"
"YES!"
"No, he is running for president. Who's the president right now and has been for the past 8 years?"
One little girl raised her hand and said President Obama. When we lined up for the next thing, a little boy came up to me and said, "But Mrs. notstephanie, Donald Trump is a good guy! He's just a really good guy." It was the first time I'd heard any student say anything positive about either of them and I couldn't help but feel like he was repeating what he heard his parents say.
Jedleton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:01 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One's a douchebag and the other's a Turd sandwich
playground94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:14 on November 9, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck cares what kids have to say?
icum2KlausBaudelaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:01 on December 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
13000 comment
oishster ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm Muslim, a few of the little kids at the mosque are absolutely terrified of Trump. One poor little guy was crying because his older sister was scaring him with things like "oooo, be careful when you fall asleep because trump's coming for you!! trump's gonna come get you in the middle of the night!" He's basically the face of the boogeyman now
bbrosen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
kids, such cards
Melhwarin ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:42:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Last week my kids started talking about the election and it started like this:
Ringleader kid: Who here likes Trump?!
All children save one raise their hands
Children: Assorted comments about how Trump is awesome.
Lone sane child: He's not a good person.
Ringleader child: You like HILLARY?! YOU PSYcHOPATH!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:41:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like I've said before, the election in a nutshell.
"<Candidate>!"
"<Candidate> has some flaws."
"WHAT? YOU SUPPORT <OPPOSING CANDIDATE>?"
Everyone says that both are awful, but nobody wants to hear criticism of their preferred poison.
Melhwarin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and I mean, all these kids are friends, they're literally just... it's like, you can hear their parents when they talk politics. But you know.
I'm not a teacher, just a volunteer for an after school thing, so it's fun for me to watch but yeah. I was kinda laughing about it, but we changed the subject pretty quick after that.
why-this ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:57:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1: Just call me Mel. I'm currently working in Virginia. I'm a writer and an actor, but since most people don't really pay those professions, I'm a lifeguard to pay rent. Currently working on about six plays in some form or another, four of which I perform this month. I want to be an actor professionally, you know, like for money. Same for writing. But more than anything I just want to be happy, you know? My personal measure of success is whether you're happy with where you are.
2: I spend my day trying not to fall asleep at a pool, then writing a ton, and then rehearsing a ton. You know. Usual.
3: I am really excited about an article I'm writing about these goddamn clowns all over America. Might share here when it's done.
Are you a teacher or an actor?
TheFerg69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:34:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Busted
why-this ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:35:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this thread is full of bullshit like this poster
TheFerg69 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:39:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No question
Melhwarin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
An actor, fresh out of college, who also volunteers to teach children some theater related stuff after school once a week.
A_Bottle_Of_Charades ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:30:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way to keep that situation under control, teacher
Yeunger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:48:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
Melhwarin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seconds graders, in a very rural area where Trump supporters have children.
LAND0KARDASHIAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 4th grader on the playground before school: "Trump's gonna put Hillary in jail!" Then moments later, when a girl wanted to play 4-square: "No girls allowed!"
abaynormal ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach sixth grade in a very predominantly Hispanic area. When Trump was visiting Mexico, my students were in favor of his wall so he couldn't get back into the US. They also throw paper balls at the screen when Trump is mentioned on Channel One. No real opinions on Hillary, but they know they hate Trump.
Icytentacles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You run a tight ship. lol
Kildynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a K-4 school and work with kids in every grade. Mostly the talk comes from the 3rd and 4th graders. I've heard a few things:
"Clinton will make school days 12 hours long." - this is the most recent one, and had most the kids worried.
"Clinton is a thief."
"Trump is evil."
"Trump is a criminal."
"Trump will start [WW3]."
"I don't want Trump to win because he's going to get rid of [the girl I have a crush on] because she's not white."
"Trump doesn't like Martin Luther King."
Edit: Formatting
KulaanDoDinok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again, those people with valid permits are here legally.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This was with middle schoolers (I used to work as an intern with a non profit that ran a bunch of creative writing events and workshops), but we had a skit where the kids roleplayed a news program where Donald Trump finds out his wife is secretly Mexican and naturally builds a wall around her. The kids had lots to say about politics.
762x39mm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"My Mom told me that Donald Trump was racist, so I have no choice but to believe her."
karatemike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I missed you Odell.
averagejoegreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
elementary school? they shouldnt be thinking about that shit...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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averagejoegreen ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no fucking way you dont. they shouldnt be hearing about it at all but if they fucking are whatever misconceptions they have are much safer than the reality. jesus christ, if my kid knew anything about donald trump i would have failed horribly at being a parent.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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averagejoegreen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:17:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
hey that makes two of us
lawise92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach in an area with a high Hispanic population. Many of my students are terrified of their families and loved ones being deported. I also have a student who likes Trump because "he talks about the Bible" and another student who says she would vote for Trump because "my dad says a woman can't be president".
CubbyChutch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a mostly black and Hispanic district and the kids in the behavioral classroom like to stick it to their white teacher by telling her she's racist and they know she's voting for Trump. (Can confirm via Facebook, she is)
Meth_Tical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: A bunch of children reciting crap that their parents believe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The number of people who use their kids as political pawns is sickening from the illegals who make their kids hold up "don't deport my parents" signs to the people who take their kids to pro life rallies.
Your kid isn't a fucking billboard of your political beliefs! Let them think for themselves!
chocolate_p_b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:37 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My kids are vehemently against Trump simply because his ads always pop up on YouTube when they go to watch their favorite shows. I don't understand why Trump ads are always on kids shows on there. Peppa Pig, Barbie Life in the Dreamhouse, etc. My 6 year old daughter is just pissed that he cuts into her allotted tablet time.
zeldaislink1990 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:07 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because only childish minds could support him. Nailing that demographic
[deleted] ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 14:46:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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TheRational_Lens ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:15:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what the fuck
nothingfood ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:52:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you, you're not an elementary school student
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:12:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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univarseman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You fucking immature asshole?
MidnightRanger_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you're really a middle school student! You lied to us!
Cookienomnomnomicon ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:53:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm torn between really wanting to upvote and really wanting to downvote this post
thisnytro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:55:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay if you downvote this. I understand it.
iiL0LMANii ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:29:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/s? Where is the /s?
Deplorable_Basket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
....Do you really need it?
Scrubbing_Bubbles_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a 17 year old, 3rd grade drop out, does not qualify you as an elementary school student.
thisnytro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but it does qualify me as a Trump supporter. /s
SadGhoster87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why so many downvotes?
Do people legitimately think you're an elementary school kid?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, he probably isn't based on the way it's written, but it's really not that unlikely that elementary school students post on Reddit. I mean, they're perfectly capable of using operating a computer, reading, writing; everything necessary to use Reddit. I remember I made online accounts when I was in elementary school and talked to people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A teacher compared Bolsonario to Trump
Only brazilians will understand...
AlanFromRochester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems a lot of these kids understand all too much.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mother works as a paraprofessional at a middle school. Last I talked to her she was telling me how every Friday the history classes talk about the election. Apparently most of the kids seem to be pro Trump, but the girls largely dislike him. (So I guess it's only slightly a majority for Trump?) They found this out by doing a little mock election in the individual classes.
Someone thought it was such a great idea that now the entire school, 6-8th grade, is going to vote in a mock election the week before the real election.
And who will be on this ballot you may be asking? Johnson? Nope. Stein? Nope. Vermin Supreme? Nope. The children will get to choose between Hillary, and Trump.
A mock election, held for educational purposes, is going to leave out third parties. Maybe it's just me but leaving out the possibility for a spoiler in an educational exercise just seems ridiculous.
Having said that, My mother, an registered independent, who sits through 3 of these history classes a day, didn't even know that Johnson and Stein are in the running. She has no idea who they are. So the teachers/students must not even be talking about them, which I find more concerning/surprising than anything a kid might parrot about Trump or Clinton that they learned from parents.
Why not leave the opportunity to possibly teach the kids about the positives and negatives of our voting system? As is they're basically just hosting a popularity contest that will surely result in kids being dicks to each other regardless of who the winner is.
I suppose that's pretty accurate of most elections though sadly.
LIA17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work with many first/second generation Americans. Mostly of Mexican heritage. Third grader asked me, "Who will take care of me if trump wins? He will send my family away."
mutatron ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:50:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Trump says he'll keep the families together, meaning he'll send the kids away too.
spunkyelfgirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seventh grade science learning about catastrophic events, when I asked for examples every class said "Donald Trump."
StickitFlipit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever their parents say about them.
AshingiiAshuaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Why you don't talk politics in front of your kids.
JoberBobber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is in college and had to do a group presentation. She had to write a (fake/real) introduction for herself talking herself up. She is an immigrant. So she said she graduated top of her class at Trump University. The mexican guy who read her intro, just skipped it. I was so pissed, being offended by somebody doesn't give you the right to censor someone else.
Taelon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was no class to graduate from. He was just skipping the unrealistic bit.
JoberBobber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a joke to lighten the mood, he edited on the spot without permission.
Taelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just amused that you're married to an elementary school student.
JoberBobber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am amused you cannot read.
Taelon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:22 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm amused that you can't.
JoberBobber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I looked through your comments. You are a miserable person and only comment to insult people. You lead a sad life.
Taelon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:18 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you can't read a post. The 'Murican education system at work.
cubbiblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach middle schoolโฆ Most of the obnoxious kids think Donald Trump is hilarious and the minorities/girls seem to think he is mean and going to lose.
The majority of all kids don't really seem to have an opinion on Hillary at all. Some of the students parents won't let them watch the debates so I can understand why.
gucci_oatmeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I read my first graders the book Duck For President. At the end I asked if they knew who was running for president, they did, and then I asked if they would vote for a duck. They all yelled YESS! And I said I would too.
mastad0420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My niece who is five thinks he's a fool.
NerdiCorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my middle schoolers put "kill Trump" as #3 when we were writing down short term goals... the whole class hates him, but so do all the teachers. This is the first election we've completely ignored the no politics in school recommendation...
weswilliamson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:04 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He would have been expelled if had said that Obama or Hillary.
NerdiCorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:58 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not expelled, but yeah he would've been spoken with. We didnt encourage him, but we let it go because in a way, a kid wanting to kill Trump is somewhat of a reasonable reaction especially because the kid never would.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly who gives a shit?
kwilder531 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That they don't want either and want free college with Mr. Bernie
topcheesehead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im support staff at an elementry prep school. We've had parent-student-staff meetings about why its not okay to play Donald Trump Tag (same rules, it=trump). They now play cops and robbers. They would rather be called robbers than Donald Trump.
badguise_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's sad is that many adults think of the candidates in the same simplistic terms as these children. I am very smart.
squintina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You probably have a very good brain then.
krisfunk27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my daughter (who is 8) asked me not to vote for "the guy that wants to start a war between Mexico and America."
peach-ring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kid 1: Hillary thinks we should kill babies!!
Kid 2: Really??
Kid 1: Yeah! She believes if you don't want a baby you should just kill it!
Kid 2: Wait, how??
Kid 1: I don't know, maybe they stab it
These were third graders. I now keep my eye on kid 1 and am extra nice to him. Fingers crossed he doesn't murder me when he becomes a serial killer.
graphix62 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:36:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should tell him she is not really the one who kills the babies but the babies mothers do and they do it by sucking them out of their wombs using a vacuum and it tears their little bodies to pieces. They then make excuses for it like " i wasn't ready to be a mother" or " i still have a lot to accomplish in my life" . And they think it is preferable to having sex with a rubber.
conuly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nearly all abortions are of embryos, using a pill.
graphix62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:00 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mkay
bungdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not an elementary school teacher but other students in my niece's class were asking her when she would be 'finally' be kicked out of the country by Trump. After the San Bernadino shootings, a few of those kids followed her into the bathroom and demanded to know why "her people" did that. My niece is Muslim and wears the hijab.
Since my sister is Canadian, my niece is dual-citizen. They've decided to move here to BC regardless of how the election pans out.
ElanorTheGolden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One of my 6th graders asked Trump when he was going to build the wall because there are a lot of kids at our school who need to be on the other side of it.
cocoravo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Three people who would vote for Hillary: retards, retards, and retards" -4th grade
BeastaBubbles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a high schooler, but maybe still acceptable.
"Hillary is an evil baby killer and she should be in prison and killed. Especially because of the emails." Me-"What do you mean by emails? Do you know what they're talking about when they talk about the emails?" Student- "... No... Not really... But they're illegal."
Tedditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My son is in 3rd grade in a pretty liberal area. They walk around the playground and say things like "dump the Trump". He came home the other day and said one of his classmates parents are voting for Trump. I said "OK, did he say why?" He replied "Well his dad is Russian, maybe that has something to do with it".
teachhikelearn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt a third grader has the cognizance to recognize that a parent being Russian might prefer trump to Hillary
corey_m_snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I drive a school bus and sometimes the middle schoolers get really loud about whatever their parents believe. High schoolers pretty much don't care to argue about it, and elementary kids mostly don't pay attention to it.
reki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High schoolers probably don't want to ostracize themselves/their friends to openly discuss politics, instead hiding behind facetious comments like "I'm going to vote Gary Johnson!"
juwnaynay88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 1st grade. One of my little Hispanic girls said, "Donald Trump wants to send my daddy back to Mexico." It was heart breaking for me.
mangarooboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Preschool teacher, ages 3-5.
One of the older kids (a black girl) who is now in kindergarten told me that Trump is a very bad man. Another (slightly younger) kid from another class overheard and said he likes Trump. The look she gave him was scathing. She rolled her eyes and walked away.
After she left I asked him why he liked Trump and he shrugged. He asked me who I liked and I said Trump was okay (it wasn't true but I didn't want to say that, AND it was when Trump being in the running was still a joke) but I also liked Bernie Sanders. His eyes lit up and he said he liked him, too. It quickly became clear that it was name recognition rather than having an actual opinion about them, but it was fun to see anyway.
The girl knew what she meant though. Very intelligent girl, intelligent parents, and an intelligent older sister. She knows.
sick__bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a summer camp and found a ten year old drawing "World War 8, Donald Trump vs. all the bugs in the world."
FirePowerCR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:10 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a classroom a few weeks ago and kids were describing an old creepy looking mansion. It kind of looked like a haunted house. They were all saying it looked creepy and kind of scary. Then one kid said it looks like a house Donald Trump would live in and all the kids laughed. I chuckled too.
turkeyIBrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach 7th graders (12 year olds) in a blue area of a swing state. Kids are constantly searching for topics they can use to make jokes and entertain their peers, so they mostly make fun of Trump and rarely mention Clinton. When the election comes up, many vehemently shout "Harambe for president!"
The debates often feature in their vocabulary sentences and fiction story ideas. Favorite vocab sentence of the year so far:
"In the debate on Monday, all Trump did was contradict Hillary, without saying anything about his own plans."
Quite right, check +.
Edit: fixed formatting
graphix62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:30 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where i live if someone mentions trump everyone starts making noises by sucking their teeth and screws up their face as if they were smelling shit.
maritagator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
4th grader - about trump: "That man has no business becoming president of the USA" Later that day, he calls a little girl "fat pig" and "nerd" and "nerd glasses." Then trows her stuff on the floor :(
InTheBusinessBro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I talked about Trump with my students last week. They said he was racist. They know he wants to build a wall and they know he's a misogynistic sex offender. That's about all they said. They're French, btw, so I thought it was interesting to ask them what they knew about him. They're 14 years-old.
ZippyTheChicken ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
did you tell them about the video where hillary is laughing at a girl 2 years younger then them that got raped into a coma for 5 days and hillary said that she wanted it.... because thats actually true
hayleydawn101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of my non-white students are worried trump is going to send them back from where their grandparents immigrated from. I had a third grade boy cry to me once saying how scared he was that trump was going to kick him out of his home. Really sad how its shaping the younger generation.
GavinET ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really grinds my gears how Hillary says she cares about the children, complains that they have to hear his mean words on TV, then in the same commercial she airs clips of him saying those things which children are hearing even more than the one time he said it!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:48 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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GavinET ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:01:57 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is A+ logic because I'm not mad of him saying it. I'm mad the messenger complains about people having to hear it yet she plays it over and over again for months so you will have to hear it many, many times. That's more than just a messenger.
Why it's sad aside, it is sad.
niwanoniwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach at an elementary school in a town that's ~50% Hispanic. I have heard 6 students so far express fears about their families getting deported if Trump wins. I have also heard students tell me who they support but none have given me a reason.
Ptizzl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my friend told me that her kid came home and asked what a pussy was, because all the boys were running around shouting "grab her by the pussy"
Rabb1tH3ad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:49:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/thathappened
esayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8 yo nephew last night said he doesn't like Hillary because she's going to take away summer break and make school a year round thing. Even little kids are spreading untrue rumors about Hill.
DoriIsRad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8-year-old told me "I hope Donald trump loses the election and gets assassinated." I told him he's not wrong but probably shouldn't say that. He also ratted out his grandpa telling me someone came to their door asking pappy to sign a paper promising to vote for trump but told him to go away. I don't talk about politics with him at all but I'm glad he's on the same page as I am.
ChromaticDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We've got to be better than that. Assassination really shouldn't be tolerated.
However, is it normal for folk doing GOTV work of any kind to ask for people to sign contracts promissing to vote a certain way? Is that even legal?
jeremyshimmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm over in Scotland, an American expat, kids talk about wanting to assassinate Trump. It's awful what they are saying! Kids are saying these things!
Cribsby_critter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Nobody wants Trump to win."
GrrrLeigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach elementary art to kindergarten through 5th grade in Texas school that is comprised of 99% Hispanic students. In a few of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade class sections, the students have overwhelming expressed: that they hate Trump, they are scared of him, that he will ship them all away, that he'll take their families away, and that his hair is stupid. No mention of Hillary though.
schaefer001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
my 5th grade students are writing a fictional narrative and several asked if they could right about Trump. My only requirements were it had to have a problem and a solution and had to be fictional in nature. Several of them got together to brainstorm and decided Trump was going down. When he came down to the border to inspect his wall, they pushed it over on him.
cashrchek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:52 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me you, as a teacher, do know the difference between 'right' and 'write'.
mjmannella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:16 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Democratic Reddit
rachelaxelrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:13 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I teach a first/second grade combo class. I teach in a low income neighborhood in Los Angeles. My class is 80% African American and 20% Latino. My students have heard him on TV. They think he's mean and they are scared. They know their parents are concerned. They understand what racism is and that it is wrong to judge another based on the color of their skin (we study MLK and Civil Rights Activists). I've asked them to write about what they would do if they were President, and I've gotten "I'd be nice to Black people" "I would make everyone be kind to one another" and "I would make every day a pizza party" all of which I think are great ideas.
Person0fInterest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:27 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in elementary school we didn't give a shit about politics
adhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also, while your at it, go compare the number of people attending Trump rallies every month compared to Clinton. That's the most telling thing of all.
Well unless Russia is paying 20,000+ Russian s to fly over and attend Trump rallies multiple times a week as well.
Redcrane6110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:56 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That Trump punches babies in the face. Another one tried telling me that Trump lives in a trash can.
elohvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:49 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The school I teach at is predominantly Hispanic. A few of the Latino kids are calling one of the white students Donald Trump because the white student was picking on them (allegedly). It's way too sad and also aggravating. Another colleague said one of the kids called her Donald Trump because he thinks she didn't like him because she's white and he's black (she was apprehending him for swearing at another student). I'm really worried about the next few weeks.
TL;DR calling people and teachers Donald Trump is an insult around my school.
Edit: Just remembered one student told me Trump is going to deport me to Iceland because that's where the mixed people go.
yoyobrains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would be really curious to know how much of this was brought on by stuff they heard in the media and how much was brought on by attitudes and speech from their parents. I am not a Trump fan in any way shape or form but that is really appalling that kids say things like that.
elohvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:09 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I too consider this factor. The media does tend to blow things up for effect. I too am not a fan of any of the current presidential candidates for that matter. But I'm sure that D.T. is definitely shining a negative light of various groups of people and kids are certainly getting the bad vibes either from him, parents, media or elsewhere...
TL;DR agreed.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 17:04:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:44:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then everybody started clapping.
bambamtx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:47:12 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trumpets are awesome instruments when played correctly. You take that back!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:43:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that happened
SmarterThanWomenAt11 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:42:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in 7th grade and I can tell you that in Georgia every kid says "Donald Trump is the best! We need walls! Hillary will put us in death camps!" The last one has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard from my classmates. Sadly, not a single one can back up any of their claims. My teacher on the other hand, makes great points on why she thinks Hillary should be president.
Billypillgrim ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Little girl: "Trump is bad because he kissed girls without permission " Little boy: "every time I see Hilary Clinton I want to punch her in the face"
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:07 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The former is a shining angel who has a bright future in politics. <3
THE LATTER IS A RACIST SHITSACK. I bet his redneck parents just forced their views on him.
Billypillgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The latter is not racist!! He's sexist!! There's a difference!
unsurpassable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:16 on October 20, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you getting down voted lmao I'm dying
NulloK ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're Danish and during the news Trumps face showed up on the TV...my three year old daughter pointed her chubby little hand and said "I don't like that man!".
mnbookman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife teaches first grade. During Hurricane Matthew, they talked about it every day in class.
One day, a little girl asked my wife, "When will Hurricane Donald hit? My parents say it is going to be terrible."
Hawt4teach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a downer but I work in a high poverty area with a lot of Hispanic students. Many parents are illegals so for the past year some students have literally lost it knowing if trump is elected there is a chance their parents could be sent back to Mexico. We have kids in tears about, acting out behaviorally because of this stress that they are being forced to deal with and are to young to understand.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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niknak_paddywhack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:00 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have one American in my class who moved from Kentucky 2 years ago. I think he's struggling big time with the fact that all the kids in my school hate Trump, ridicule Bush and love Obama.
Heroicshrub ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:15:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm a camp counselor for 5th graders. Last spring I had a muslim boy in my cabin and he said โI hate Trump because he wants to send me and my mom back to Egypt.โ At first I chuckled but its actually sad that a 10 year old could think that a major presidential candidate hates him because of his religion.
acowsezmoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:50 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what Trump has spewed that is the case.
acowsezmoo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what Trump has spewed that is the case.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:17:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They love Trump and all think Hillary is not telling the truth. They think she is using them to get elected.She always mentions children in her speeches and they get that feeling she really is selfish.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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special_reddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you didn't.
ThadeusOfNazereth ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're either doubting the validity of my story, or you disagree with my political views. Which one is it?
rileyk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This wins the award for fakest post in this thread gj
Tastygroove ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so father of five... but first time my 9 year old floated a "small loan of a million dollars" reference I nearly lost my shit. Wholly on their own: my youngest children 7,9,10 believe the guy is a total nut-job. Thank you YouTube clip shows poorly recommended for gamer shows! You can't weasel out of your own words. Oh, and bing bong bing... hell they can't get enough of that.
Both grandfathers are ignorant racists gun toters so...(I support gun rights, not law abiding sociopaths waiting for any excuse for an nword to cross them) it's great watching them mock trump in their face is very, very satisfying.
Chris3159 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:47:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a teacher but I was working with some young kids in the inner city a few weeks ago and one told me that trump kills black people, which was new information for me.
LumberZackery ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apperently Clinton is making it a law that you can't get a cell phone until you're 14. Smart parents. Stops your kid complaining about a cell phone. Because no one wants a Trump to win, getting cell phones aren't an issue in the 5th grade this year.
laughncow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stfu
Joshsc621 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:04 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at teacher but a student at a UK high school. Trump is a joke over here, many support Clinton and a few (like myself) support Bernie. My school is rated one of the best in the country (Scotland) and is in a very expensive area. But it is also one of the most liberal areas. We fucking hate England for the mother-fucking-shitting-dick-cunt of a vote Brexit was. Trump here has no supporters and we are ashamed that he has ties with this country. I do not trust Clinton, but why the hell would you choose Trump over her. Also we have a lot of Muslims, a few gay/lesbian/bi, and a few immigrants (not born in this country but gained membership).
Tl;dr - In Scotland, Trump is a joke, Clinton's no better, but we prefer her
abruce123412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait. If you are in Scotland, you dont even vote for American polls, unless im missing something
Joshsc621 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No we don't vote but your vote has a big effect on us. For example Trident (the nuclear weapon owned by America based in Scotland) may never be able to be destroyed as wished by the Scottish Government
abruce123412 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:54 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so you hope the president will let you get rid of it?
Joshsc621 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:51 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but if Trump's president then our only hope is independence from the rest of the UK. Since it is a deal with the UK and not Scotland we could get rid of it. And there is no guarantee that Clinton will allow us to get rid of it but we have a better chance due to her being, more, left wing than than Trump.
egamakadedidiut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:14:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if it makes you feel better, 75-90% of Americans don't really know exactly what Scotland constitutes other something Britishy. It's not bc we are dumb, it's bc youre irrelevant. So in other words, nobody cares what you think.
Joshsc621 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:55:41 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks we are irrelevant. Because you are dumb, Americans are fucking stupid. I went to Vegas last year, and adults there thought Scotland still lived in fucking Celtic warrior times. Even though we invented your phone, your TV, your bike, your penicillin, your roads, among others. Yes we are irrelevant. So go vote for your Trump and your Clinton but we will always be here and we will fight against anything you throw at us.
egamakadedidiut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, Scots are the 2nd or 3rd biggest contributors to what made this country what it is. But if Scotland was a state, it would be a middle of the road state in every measure. How many Scots have a proper understanding of South Carolina, Oregon, or Colorado?
Vegas is a shithole, cool to go to once, but repeat customers tend to be douchbros, and drunk, and so on and so forth.
Joshsc621 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:21:49 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scotland wouldn't become a state. It would be a country in it's own right. If I misunderstood your comment sorry but that's what it sounds like to me.
FelixTheScout ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:26:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reading through the comments section there are some real pieces of work from the left here. (That's not a compliment by the way.)
lovelywoods ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 17:12:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My 8 year old daughter said she hopes Hilary wins "because Donald Trump wants to build a wall around the United States and that's not right because we are the land of the free and the home of the brave".
asj29 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:13 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya ok.
lovelywoods ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:48:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You ok bro? Upset because my 8 year old daughter understands politics better than you?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:27 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: terrible teachers who push children towards their political points of view
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Other than your comment, I never actually saw anybody trying to push their students towards their views. Try again.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:17:17 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try again? I don't have to impress you.
Degru ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but my little brother knows almost nothing about the two candidates. Apparently one of his classmate's mom is a Trump supporter, so he comes home one day saying that he wants to vote for Trump. Needless to say, he's now much more educated about the election and now supports Hillary.
MrDickPerfect ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What an ignorant question to ask
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WAWDoing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hoping Trump wins to show your daughter a lesson in politics is like buying an airline company because you wanted the free peanuts.
CitizenCopacetic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:48 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds more like she's listening to Trump's threats to deport immigrants and fears her friend will be forced to leave the country :(
YouStupidBeeotch ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:13:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right!
If a kid doesn't like Trump, it's because they're very intelligent and see the truth. Their parents certainly didn't have anything to do with it. /s
Good_Gravy_ ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:57:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My fiancรฉe teaches 4th grade. A boy in her class said, in verbatim: "I'm not going to treat you with respect or listen to you because Donald Trump doesn't treat women that way."
YouStupidBeeotch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:55:44 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
GrumpyFinn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:32 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My mom doesn't like to talk about work. She's a teachers assistant in an elementary school. I've asked her about this a few times but she just says it's sad and that she doesn't want to talk about it.
My mom is the daughter of immigrants and lives in a very poor, rural area. It's Trump country. My mom doesn't really care about politics but I can tell this election has taken a toll on her emotionally.
RedshirtStormtrooper ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should hear the insane conspiracy theory stuff my inner city high schoolers say about Trump... thing is, it's not that far fetched.
conuly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:34 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Examples?
RedshirtStormtrooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:42 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, for starters... They would lose their rights because they live in the inner city, the cops would be able to put them in jail for anything. Rogue cops. Think along of "Move along citizen" level stuff. They do think he'll also put a wall around them too. It's his way of solving crime.
A totalitarianism state. Mind you, they are reading 1984 in their English 3 class right now.
Viking521 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He is a laughable joke according to my grade 8 students. They legitimately fear if he gets into power.
Exhaustedenergizer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a very divided town. Lots of rich WASPs who are very annoyed that they share "their" town with people who are poorer/Hispanic/Black/Asian. It's bad out there. Shit that parents used to keep up themselves is all coming out now that it's socially acceptable to be racist again. One little boy told one of his friends that they couldn't be friends anymore since that friend was a "filthy Mexican who wants to rape my sister". Constant bullying about deporting other kids, even kids who's families have been here for generations.
Exhaustedenergizer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:24:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh and now they're calling all the Muslim kids terrorists and we had to discipline a kid for attacking a 5th grader for wearing hijab.
niggerInnus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:20 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Third grader, says her mom is afraid Trump is "gun take r welfurr". Naturally I gave her detention.
jas7751 ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 16:46:24 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If they say any thing pro Trump or anti Hillary they will be expelled and to never return. That is our failed Public School institutional ideology.
spazzymcgee918 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:04:51 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really bro
jas7751 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:59 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really, "bro".
TheDude1451 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you go to school?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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jorMEEPdan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't like Hillary because she is going to build a wall and then I can't get to my mom"
I work in Texas. This was a girl with lots of family in Mexico.
Knowee ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:56 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A girl in my high-school said " don't get me wrong, I hate socialism..." As if it's anti American to like socialism, Bet she doesn't even know what it is
mrwillkay ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:42:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sixth grade (10/11 year olds) teacher in Mexico. Not sure that they know Clinton's name, but they know Trump's. He is a figure of fun and ridicule.
goldennumba ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The kids seem to all not like him.
darulerkilla ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:46:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a special ed school. One of my students is obsessed with Trump. She goes into our room with newspapers and will find a picture with Trump and carry him around.
Conkster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:55:09 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I work at an elementary school, and I've actually overheard some kids telling latin@ kids that they wouldn't play with them because Mexicans are bad people who should go back to their country. Naturally, we had in inquiry with these specific kids and one told me that he shouldn't get in trouble for that because it's what The President said.
Keep in mind, this took place in Amherst, Massachusetts, the most diverse and liberal place I've ever been. I mean, they didn't really confirm which "president" they were talking about, but I'm assuming they don't come from a Clinton household.
HotEducator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:14:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't want Trump to be president." with a sad pitiful look in the middle of a science test. "Can I write crooked Hillary?" as an answer for a debate article. "I hope Trump build his wall so he can keep the Mexicans out!"
Chickadee4ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:16 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
๐ฐ
KidBlazin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:14:33 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
F0
Rabidondayz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a single elementary school teacher in the top comments.
TheMrShadySlim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's honestly every fucking ask reddit thread. I remember one where it was asking about truck driver's expiriences, and half of the comments where people that knew truck drivers
Mitschu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, clearly they aren't teaching reading comprehension anymore...
Carymbarber ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:38:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iiiuij
invert_room ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:19 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~nibba~ nibba nibba
jonsnowknowsall456 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:44:45 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT people making shit up to push their narrative
yahvittu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:14:59 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT not elementary school teachers telling stories of not elementary school aged children
Escape92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of mine works in first grade in Southern California. Apparently her students had this conversation the other day:
Student 1: I'm reading a book about Hillary Clinton!
Student 2: They should write a book about Donald Trump!
Student 1: Oh, I could write that. "Donald Trump was a stupid kid with stupid hair. Now he's a stupid man with stupid hair, running for president. The end."
Student 3 (clearly has no idea what's going on): Who are you voting for, Ms. XXXXX? Hillary Clinton or Donald Duck?
I don't think she reddits, but if she sees this - sorry for stealing your story hun!
Also, during the 2000 election I was 7, and I clearly remember being at my grandparents' house the day after the vote, and my mum asking my grandad if he knew who had won. He said "Mickey Mouse" and I definitely believed that for a while.
alcrowe13 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a field day type event at an elementary school this week. Heard a first grader...yes, first grader, say that if Hillary is President that she will kill all babies that can't be adopted. Her mom told her this. Nice.
ndorox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:16:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Trump seems mean.
Chewie-bacca ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:22:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
High school and this was the spring. A black girl in my home room was convinced trump is going to send all the blacks back to Africa if he wins.
dlynne5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but I had my 2 granddaughters spending the night a couple of weeks ago. They are both 8. They were cutting the plastic pieces that hold the toys to the cardboard with scissors. Out of the blue she starts sing songing : "Let's Make America Great Again, stab Donald Trump to death with scissors."
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:40 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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tinfang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your kids a liar - they'll make a fine right winger.
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ChromaticDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next step, call superintendent.
Final step, call the media.
The teacher's actions are deplorable. Of course, HOW the media would handle might be very interesting. But the public spotlight might force the powers to be to reflect a bit on the practice and work to curtail it.
tinfang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:39 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Board of Ed, unacceptable in school.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:39:21 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck Mexicans"
-Trump
Amudrasil ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:24:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I taught an after-school Pokรฉmon class that consisted of 3rd-6th graders from January to May. I remember one time the kids were talking about Trump among themselves in a pretty negative manner. The most memorable bit of the conversation for me was when one of the kids said, "They should call him Donald dump truck!"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hold up.
The fuck is a Pokรฉmon class?
Amudrasil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:55 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a class where I taught strategies with the Pokรฉmon TCG and video games to the students. The program coordinator reached out to the Pokรฉmon club at my university I was a part of asking if anyone was interested in teaching it (since students had expressed interest in having one to staff there). Not a mandatory thing or anything, but a fun after-school class they could sign up to take, as well as other after-school classes like chess, science, acting, etc.
Youtoo2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There has to be some kids talking about Trumps big weiner
fielderwielder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:23 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the ones he's molested?
ricekurt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:34:45 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is most definitely going to get lost but...
I don't teach elementary school but my class (grade twelve from an art school, my program's focus on literary arts) recently went to a primary school to teach the kids about poetry. We did a lot of free verse and a surprising large amount of them chose to write about Donald Trump. We had them designing their own characters as well so there was lots of "Donald Rump", "Ronald Dump" and this one kid wrote how "Drumpty Trumpty fell of his wall" which was fairly entertaining. No one talked about Clinton though but it was interesting to see how much influence American politics has on Canadian children.
niuprice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:35:14 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL: There are thousands of children talking politics in elementary school
MurrayTheMonster ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Elementary school teachers are probably teaching their kids whatever the schoolboard tells them to... which in this case is that Clinton is our savior.
emdee39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:02 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol not in the south
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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emdee39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:23 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Teachers are not the school board...
superalcimedes ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:12:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every response in this thread is completely made up. The overwhelming majority of teachers for this age group are women and we all know that women don't listen to anything.
prewarpotato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:15:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to anything you say.
i_was_a_fart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dayum
superalcimedes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Normally I feel bad when someone like you gets baited out so easily but judging by your post history I wish nothing but an elevator ride with Ray Rice for you.
bagano1 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's probably as well-informed as what many millennials are saying, TBH.
mediumfoot ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:39 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL elementary school kids have the same intelligence as republicans/conservatives.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:55 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow you are so edgy!
mediumfoot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:06:24 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was being serious.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in a preschool during the primaries and never had anyone say anything. If anything I made subtle Trump references but only because the other teachers made subtle democrat references.
A kid was playing with a cash register toy? "Alright you want to run a successful business, you gotta know the art of the deal"
I only did that because when we talked about voting the head teacher said "people are trying to take your right to vote away from you" I wanted to step in and say "we want to make sure its you" but I was an intern so I held my tongue.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:11 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except your head teacher was right. Stricter voter ID laws are aimed towards keeping lower income and minorities from voting, and gerrymandering lessens their voting power. Voter ID fraud is a non issue.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:41 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let the children study the issue and come to their own conclusions.
I am not there to teach a child what to think, I want them to learn HOW to think. I don't really care what conclusion they come to as long as they got all the facts
And for the record of voter ID laws are racist so are driving laws, car renting laws, tobacco laws, CCW/CHL laws, laws regarding the sale of alcohol, laws about entering federal buildings, laws to own a gun, laws to gamble (some states) and a myriad of other laws.
itsjoshbitchez ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:36 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
~Strikeout~
itsjoshbitchez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:18 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The "~~" doesn't work on my Galaxy -.-
Blazinsco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:53 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's "~~~~", not "~~"
strikeout~strikeout~yummyyummypowwidge ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:38 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in elementary school, we used to call detention "Donnie Trumps," or "DT."
rhinguin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:22 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Pennsylvania, and everyone at my school loves Trump. It's an expensive school though, so it makes sense that they're voting Republican.
irlfriendsknowoldacc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:54 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Q
Buck_wild654 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have no clue who I am. It's funny how you think somebody who doesn't agree with you on this has to be white and rich ๐
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:06 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Lucama221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:01 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't teach them about Hillary, teach them about Thatcher and May.
121381 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My students tell me that Hillary is obviously very corrupt and that we must break the cycle and elect a true outsider. They say the like Trump because he speaks his mind and that the attacks by Republicans, Democrats, the media and Hollywood against Trump really have shown he is an underdog. Kids love an underdog.
Drmeatpaws ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:11 on October 18, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thathappened
cr2o3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:35 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also not a teacher, but my 8-year-old niece shared her feelings on the election with me during a recent visit. We were eating dinner and she got really sad and said she was afraid of "Donald Duck" getting elected because she was afraid some of her friends (who are Mexican) would be sent away if he became president. Regardless of if that's his actual plan, it made me really sad that she even has to think she has to worry about her friends like that.
VillageDweller ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher but my 5th grader watched the first debate. On his tablet. Of his own accord. Needless to say, I was astonished. We had to interrupt him to come to the table for dinner and he asked for 5 more minutes because it was just getting to the good part. After he was done watching the whole thing his comment was "Why does anyone think Trump would be a good president?" followed by a sad shake of his head.
tinfang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
VillageDweller2.0 for Presdient 2048
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why did you nip that? Why not let him think for himself?
Chumbolex ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:43 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My niece says she hates Trump and wants Hillary. She's in second grade and has no idea who these people are.
princeton_cuppa ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:33 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This Question being funny this thread could have been funny answers.
Instead it is embarrasing and simply not funny. Lot of canadians and various other stereotypes telling extremely stupid things .. as in their kids telling such stupid things. I would much rather continue to think that kids are a little bit more kids and switched off from the bs that is politics and religion and growing in a much more open positive world.
prjindigo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:19 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
None of them have said the word "editorial" because the Democratic party has made sure children don't know when industry lies to them.
Any-sao ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:56:43 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread makes me want the government to reduce the voting age to four.
NehEma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:47 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This would basically give extra ballots to each parent depending on the number of children they have.
Wombizzle ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:57 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Trump bad Clinton good!!1!
Sanhael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:31 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leave it to the Trump supporters to be offended at elementary school kids' perceptions of the candidates.
Wombizzle ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:29 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
who said I was offended?
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Wombizzle ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:37 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you can dictate my feelings for me? Where do I learn this magical power?
mikefvts ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:15 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The wall is going to be huge
HillHeartsHuma ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this thread: a discussion of the effects of an "socially acceptable" form of child abuse.
The two awful things that parents indoctrinate young children with are religion and politics. Let them develop their own view of reality through analysis and critical thought.
BugsyLakes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:26 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not a teacher, but both of my kids are in elementary school. My son asked me the other day who I was going to vote for; Donald Hump or Her Not Hilton. He said I should vote for Her Not Hilton because the other guys name sounded funny. He then giggle and said to himself "Donald Hump".
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:25 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Encouraging some real deep critical thinking there.
Phil0_Bed0 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:08 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why was it ok for a bunch of y0oung children to be stuffed full of propaganda at school, to the extent that everyone was ecstatic when king obama was elected, but not ok for one kid to dissent? Are you upset he didn't drink the koolaid? And why would you assume it was because obama is half black? Perhaps this one kid came from a home where they actually discussed our history and policy, and was worried for what he knew was going to happen. Better for him, than jumping in with the rest of the lemmings.
ashi001 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:52 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no idea
piyudi ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:27:03 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would tell them the definition of a criminal and a racist. And show them picture of them as example.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:28:46 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My wife gives students that say pro-Drumpf things worse grades than if they supported HRC. I tell her it's wrong, but I secretly approve.
covert888 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:05 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing like fucking with kids grades to prove you are morally superior.
iloveamericandsocanu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/u/Jeffery_Smithers is a Trump supporter pretending to be "stereotypical liberal". Just downvote and report.
covert888 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:13:10 on October 17, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a Trump supporter I think he can go fuck himself. I don't care who you are voting for in this election that kind of stupidity helps no one.
dehj ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 22:34:28 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard one kid regurgitate some liberal shit and I told him one day he'll grow up and be able to think for himself.
rhinotim ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:24:58 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, since conservative shit is always so well thought out and logical, and is never just regurgitated, right?
egamakadedidiut ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 23:04:20 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
2 major things should be derived from this thread to anyone with a shred of intelligence that didn't already know:
1)most liberals have the critical thinking and emotional intelligence of children, thats why children overwhelmingly support liberal candidates/policies(he's mean, guns are bad, etc). Nobody is a strict constitutional Republican when they are 10. That should tell you something.
2)Shouldnt be a surprise we are at/near the top in education spending and struggle to keep up with powerhouses like Latvia in education, look who teaches/runs the system. I wouldn't hire a substantial amount of teachers to take my kid to the zoo for a day.
Shanew00d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:49 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1) Do you have any actual evidence of this? I'll help you: No.
2). The USA is not ranked at or near the top in education. A quick Google search will provide some info based on actual, real-life studies, not somebody's logically flawed opinion.
egamakadedidiut ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:14 on October 16, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry meant education SPENDING