I mean... that's totally possible. I've eaten juicy well done steaks. Don't try to tell me it's impossible to make a steak like that. It's just difficult.
I didn't really know it, but that's also because I don't really eat steaks or go out almost at all. So it's a good thing to have in the back of my mind to forget until after I go to a restaurant.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โฆ it's not 'supposed'. It's there. You can see it. With your eyes. It's beautiful.
Neuffy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just the marbling, in my experience. Among several traits, the fat has no negative flavour whatsoever. I can literally take a chunk of fat, eat it straight, and enjoy it.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:32:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me, it's not the taste of the fat that gets me, but the texture. So gross.
On a separate note, how long does it take to not feel weird about chopping up animals? I have never eaten meat, but I have friends who eat meat who can't stand being in a butcher 's shop. They only buy packaged stuff from the supermarket.
It took me about 3 months to actually be comfortable around all of the raw meat and blood. It was fun after that, turning a cow into all of these different things that you couldn't even identify in the store before.
Depends on the time of year. During fair season, we get a lot of heads coming in. The rest of the year, everything comes into us either in quarters are sectioned into primals already.
We have to know the best way to cook something we're trying to sell to you.
The tenderloin is pretty tasteless, but it's tender...that's due to the little amount of fat and it not being a load bearing part of the cow.
"Chewing gum ribeye"? You are either eating a low grade cut or you just aren't cooking it right. The ribeye is generally more tender the closer it is to the shoulder. Ask your butcher for cuts off the large end. As a rule of thumb: the leaner a ribeye, or any steak for that matter, the tougher it is going to be. Except the tenderloin, but that's an exception.
I just went to a steakhouse and they had Uruguayan ribeye, I got it but fully expecting that it wouldn't be better than good ol USA ribeye, holy shit it was amazing. all of the fat was creamy delicious fat, this dude knows nothing of ribeye apparently.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you've had some good experiences.
I can prepare a delicious ribeye. I rarely cook anymore though. Go order a ribeye at 10 restaurants and let me know how many prepare it to where the fat doesn't have the texture of chewing gum. Same goes for ribeye, skirt and porterhouse. I'm no expert but was a chef in my twenties and prepared hundreds of steaks per day. It doesn't matter the marbling if it makes it harder for the $10/hr mexicans to prepare it properly
Also filet has almost the same fat content as skirt, nys, and rib-eye. He just posted that it's tasteless. I'm curious if he's just a troll.
A tenderloin has a very mild flavor, it's just my opinion(and most people's) that it's tasteless. It's definitely tasteless compared to a ribeye. Nearly every other cut of the cow can be better tasting than the filet. It does not have the same fat content as a new york and ribeye...
Most restaurants barring high-end do not give you the best quality of steaks. Period. I don't care what they tell you, their purpose is to turn a profit. I've seen all kinds of shady things, like piss-grade beef and terrible misrepresentation. If you're receiving steaks like how you described, maybe you shouldn't be eating a steak at Applebees.
Any butcher worth their salt knows how to cook a damn steak properly. I could most definitely prepare a steak better than most "chefs". It comes from knowing the properties and grade of the muscle and cutting and trimming it correctly. I bet you're one of those guys who would consistently comes into my shop and thinks he knows more about meat than the guy who's elbow-deep in cow carcass.
edit: sorry, I got a little carried away there. I really love meat.
edit: edit: You want an awesome steak? Make friends with your butcher. They'll introduce you to cuts of meat that you have never heard of before. Cook it like they tell you to, and you'll be in heaven. Trust me.
99% of the complaints I get are because people thought they knew how to cook a steak properly, and messed it up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:33 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you're definitely allowed to have an opinion but tasteless is what I associate with an ice cube.
Most butchers I know work in a grocery store so they're probably not worth any salt.
/Agree on the rest
Keep in mind I can cook a ribeye badass but ordering it out is normally out of the question. I normally go with a sirloin oit. Harder for them to fuck up.
SirAlexH ยท 1174 points ยท Posted at 17:12:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was in some thread along the lines of "The last thing you ate is now the only food of third world countries".
I said potato wedges with sour cream. -5 down votes. I mean it's not an issue but it seems unreasonable. I literally just said the food, as everyone else did.
I'm sort of laughing and crying. I think most of us regular commenters have had moments like this on reddit. And it's just so confusing. I'll sometimes get away with a terrible pun or morally obtuse joke, but this is what pisses you people off?
Yea, I've made some real (and sometimes intentional) shitposts only to come back to almost a hundred upvotes, then I make a completely reasonable comment or ask a genuine question and get downvoted into the dirt.
Both situations reassure me that in fact, karma really does mean nothing.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't you supposed to be singing this?
Aiyon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:29:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or I make racist/not that great jokes and gets tons of upvotes, I say something neutral and people get angry, I think it's a snowball effect.. If people see your post is upvoted they are less inclined to downvote you
Not actually that bad a choice, either. Potatoes are actually one of the most nutritionally rich staple foods out there. It's possible to survive solely on potatoes and milk without suffering any vitamin deficiencies, which can't be said of a lot of foods.
I said I wouldn't tip a waiter who tried to charge me for stuff I didn't order and spilled a drink on my girlfriend, then brought her the entirely wrong dinner.
Also former server. I spilled soup on someone one night (thank god it was winter and she was wearing thick clothes). I didn't expect a tip, and I paid for their dinner and threw in desserts while apologizing profusely. Was pleasantly surprised with a tip, and they became regulars. It was weird.
*Edited because spelling
ceene ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 21:59:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that happens fairly often. I mean, I'm not gonna be happy at all if my server spills soup on me, BUT, if it's been an accident (i.e., not on purpose), the server profusely asks for forgiveness, shows that he is feeling really bad about the situation and doesn't try to cover it but instead tries to make up for it by doing something nice for me (like paying for my dinner, or inviting me to the beverages, or whatever), what the hell, what can I do? We're all humans, right? You fucked up but you made everything you could to make up for it. In my book you're a good person that made a mistake as we all do, you don't deserve to be punished further more as you already feel guilty enough and show that you care about me.
Well said, dude. Mistakes happen; but how you handle them, is an excellent judge of character.
jhn107 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I had a waitress trip and pour salad dressing down the front of my dress shirt at a business meeting. It wasn't her fault. The mother at a nearby table was letting her children run around like heathens and they got under her feet. I still paid for the meal and tipped her well. She thought it was because I was trying to impress my client.
But what I liked was the fact that she didn't lose her temper or yell at the kids or their mother. Instead, she asked the manager to find something to keep the children busy while their mother ate. Then she went to her own locker and brought me the white dress shirt she used when the restaurant hosted black tie events. I'm pretty sure it was one of the most expensive items of clothing she owned.
I made a point to return it and became a regular at the restaurant.
That's fair. And it's precisely because you don't need to get the free shit that getting the free shit makes you, the customer, feel thougyt of. The free shit is more of a gesture of genuine apology. It's a gesture of kindness to try and make your clients/customers happy after doing something - albeit by mistake - that made things uncomfortable for them. Personally if I can tell it was an honest mistake I'd tip anyway, but the extra mile just makes that tip better and gives me something very positive to remember about the experience instead of negative. That alone should be incentive for any business to have that sort of policy.
Dumped a Margarita in a ladies purse when I was pretty new to serving. Naturally, I was mortified.
The woman's husband, On the other hand, thought I was hilarious. He pulled me aside, laughing his ass off, and gave me $20 and told me not to worry about it. As I was walking off, he told me he'd give me another $20 if I did it, again.
house said they would, but i worked in a tiny sushi bar (we had room for 60 people, maybe) and didn't want the owner, who was a friend, to pay for something i fucked up. so i paid. i mean, it wasn't a huge bill.
How you handle the fuck up is probably a lot more important than the fuck up to most people. I've only ever not tipped once and the dude fucked up our order like 4 times and was very very rude and tried to rush us out of the restaurant after we finished.
Not that weird. I'm from a country that doesn't tip, but some places will have tip jars on the counter. I went out for dinner one night and the waitress was clearly just not having a great night, wrong drinks, food slightly wrong, but she was apologetic about it so we threw our extra cash in the tip jar. Everyone has bad days, it's how you deal with it.
Accidents I will always let slide. It happens. I almost always tip, but occasionally I won't if the server is just lazy and doesn't care and keeps screwing up. But if someone just accidentally spills something, eh, no biggie. Plus, if you go even further and after super nice about it and give me free stuff, heck yeah you'll get a good tip.
I wish that happened to me. I spilled water on a group of ladies, apologized profusely got them free shots and free dessert. The thanks I got was a written complaint that almost got me fired.
I mean, I'd tip a server if they goofed and spilled something on me then showed me their apology with free dinner etc. That just shows you you care about their business and are really sorry you screwed up. I think most normal people understand mistakes, and as long as you make the effort to make things right, that shows. Sounds like you're a pretty cool server. I'd tip and come back as well.
robmox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Former server, I dropped a large pizza on a few teenage guys. They said it was totally fine and proceeded to eat it. I brought them a brand spankin new fresh hot large pizza supreme, anyways because I was embarrassed. Got a fat tip.
Well then maybe hold off on expecting waitstaff who work for less than minimum wage to be flawless day in and day out... it's a much harder job than you seem to think
RQK1996 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I get that it is a hard job but 3 major mistakes at one table? what does that say about their other tables that day? okay if you make a few mistakes in a full evening
Maybe if it were a high-end restaurant that served the elite, but, having been in retail and service jobs through high school and college, I can tell you that a person has to screw up multiple times to be terminated. These jobs already have a high turnover rate so if someone is trained and is usually competent in the job, employers won't want to terminate an employee for one bad service. Maybe if said employee was screwing up in similar ways at every table he served and didn't improve after correction, then an employer might move him in the kitchen for different work to see if that worked. If he continued to eff up in every different area, then yes he'd be terminated. But it takes time and money to fire an employee and hire a replacement, so an employer might chew the server's ass out in front of the customers so they don't complain, but will generally be willing to overlook one bad night.
TL;DR: you gotta really screw up consistently to get fired in service jobs.
People can cry about how servers have to get tips to make a living, and that's fine, but I'm not paying 15-20% tip when the server is unfriendly, absent, gets the orders wrong, is visibly chatting with someone else while we're waiting for whatever reason, and then disappears completely towards the end of the meal without even a word that he's going on break or something.
My dad has walked out in these situations, we were at some restraunt it took 2 hours for the food to come out, in that time we saw the server at the table twice, but we could see her talking in the back room. Then after we waited an hour to get the bill, we wen out to the car and he waited behind at the front counter to talk to someone to get the bill, waited 20 minutes then said fuck it if they don't want my money then I'm leaving
As a waitress I have to say it's not our fault if the food is taking ages to come out. We're just on the firing line because nobody goes to the kitchen to complain to the chef. But yeah, I see why the bill part annoyed you!
As a longtime, former server, sometimes it's our fault. Don't act like you've never forgot to put in an order, then blamed it on the kitchen whilst apologizing to your table. Lol
Yeah sometimes it is our fault, but there's nothing worse than getting yelled at for something we don't have control of, just because we're the only ones avaliable to be yelled at! But yeah, there has definitely been a few times I've forgotten to take a ticket through or tell the kitchen they're finished starters... we're all only human
just because we're the only ones avaliable to be yelled at!>
Yelling, I have NEVER yelled at server before. Are you exaggerating? Do people really "yell" at you? That's weird, because me and my husband eat out very often and don't hear ANY server getting "yelled" at. The only yelling I hear is kids screaming.
tell the kitchen they're finished starters.>
WHY would you tell the kitchen that when you should have put in the order already? You shouldn't be waiting until they are fucking finished to start cooking. That's INSANE to wait that long. The food should be starting cooking when their appetizer ARRIVES, NOT when they are finished eating you STUPID MORON! No one wants to wait THAT LONG for their food and SHOULDN'T! An appetizer can be eaten within 5-10 minutes at most. Typical full meals tend to take a lot longer than that to cook, especially during a busy time like 8p.m. on a Saturday night.
Why would you wait until they are finished eating? NO WONDER WHY you have complaints you STUPID IDIOT! I'd rather have my appetizer and then 2 minutes later get my entrรฉe than to wait 40 minutes for my food. ANYONE would and if they don't, they need to order just appetizers and wait to order their entrรฉes if they are that hell bent on making sure they don't want their appetizers to run into their entrรฉes.
we're all only human >
Then you are just ADMITTING the MAJORITY of the times you fuck up IDIOT! I really don't understand WHY you are waiting until they are finished eating their appetizers? That's EXTREMELY CRAZY to me.
As a waitress I have to say it's not our fault if the food is taking ages to come out. We're just on the firing line because nobody goes to the kitchen to complain to the chef.>
NO, you are VERY WRONG AND STUPID, HERE'S WHY YOU DUMB DINGY IDIOT:
Ask yourself these questions as a server:
WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each tableโs order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.
FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.
Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrรฉes before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.
Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.
Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.
Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.
Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrรฉe is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isnโt covered up isnโt extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isnโt without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DONโT CARE!!
Servers DO wait to put in entrรฉe orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT IS THE GODโS TRUTH! Sometimes itโs TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If itโs another server, it still doesnโt make it the kitchen staffโs fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something thatโs obvious. Itโs either my server that didnโt put in my order correctly or this other server that didnโt compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).
WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.
WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.
WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.
Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.
WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?
Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrรฉes on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasnโt even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasnโt our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVERโS CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!
Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrรฉe order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrรฉe orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldnโt have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrรฉe orders when we could have given our entrรฉe orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrรฉes faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrรฉe orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrรฉes as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrรฉe orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrรฉe orders in. What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldnโt touch it, because we had to order our entrรฉes and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrรฉes because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrรฉe orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.
Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that sheโd bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didnโt, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didnโt even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly canโt believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasnโt like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didnโt know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.
Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didnโt know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING โHowโs yโallโs Mardi Grasโ โGo to any parades.โ See, I donโt mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you donโt take up our time.
We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(Iโll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 peopleโs drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they donโt, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the serverโs fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had SOMETHING to do with the delay in most cases! Thatโs the GODโS TRUTH!
More often than not, the *SERVER is CAUSING your delay. How many times have I seen servers that have been triple sat not going to the computer, but VOLUNTARILY* without being called over take 2 other table's orders? A NUMBER OF TIMES. The LONGER you wait to put in my order, the LONGER I wait.
Also, you say they can't do something about it, but if the cooks are fucking around back in the kitchen, the server can get the manager, they can notify them of table 5 ordered 20 minutes ago for mozzarella sticks, why aren't they out yet, kind of thing.
You sound VERY STUPID AND DINGY! You have ZERO, I mean ****ZERO******* COMMON SENSE TO SPEAK OF! Sure, there are some times where the kitchen staff is at fault, but the MAJORITY of the times it's the FUCKING SERVER either cutting or forgetting or messing up or making cleaning up more important than the orders. That IS the VERY GOD'S TRUTH! TRY TO DISPROVE ONE POINT, YOU CAN'T, CAN YOU STUPID IDIOT!
Okay so imma assume you've never worked in a restaurant in your entire life so let you off for being so ignorant.
1. "WHEN do you put in my order?"- In my experience, not once have I forgotten to put an order through, nor have I witnessed anyone else do that. Granted, sometimes it can take more than 5 seconds to reach the kitchen due to having multiple tasks thrown at me at once (manager's responsibility, not mine), however not once would I forget to actually put through, you must be eating at some pretty shitty restaurants. Apologies that your order isn't the first on everyone's priority list :)
2. "FORGETTING to put in an order"- I'm gonna call complete bullshit on this one because even if a waiter or waitress did forget to put your order through, there's not chance they would actually admit it to you.
3. "Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer?"- Can't really answer this one as all the places I've worked have used notepads and pens.
4. "Did you DROP anything I ordered?", Okay well my original point was that it isn't always our fault that the food takes ages to come out of the kitchen, so therefore once the food is out of the kitchen it is our responsibility and if we drop it it is our fault. However that's irrelevant to the point that it isn't our fault that it takes a lot of time to come out of the kitchen... read carefully.
5. "Did you remember to GET my food?"- hahahaha I can only assume you mean get it from the kitchen. Well in my experience, all places i've worked in have either a bell to tell waiters when the food is ready, or they are just told by the kitchen. Therefore it would be hard to forget when you hear a bell, another situation which I doubt has actually happened to you. If the kitchen FORGETS to let us know when they've finished making the food that's their problem, not ours.
6. "Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out?"- Well if we are serving several tables at once and we're busy, we don't check every single item of food before it goes out... if the kitchen have the order with your special snowflake requirements and they don't read it or make it that way, I fail to see that being my fault, rather than the kitchen's fault.
7. I actually don't understand what you're talking about in your seventh point so I shall move on.
8. "WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER?" Answer covered earlier in this. We come to get it when the kitchen tells us it's ready. If we're busy we don't have time to continuously check every person's order to see if it has been cooked yet.
9. "WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER?" When you look ready? This is one of the only points I will agree with because often when there are several tables to be served, if we're understaffed (management's fault, not ours), then it's hard to prioritise some tables over others.
10. "WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD?"- I've already covered this more than once, I cannot possibly stress it again.
11. "Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me?"- I'm quite certain that nobody in the history of waiting tables has EVER done that. Looks like you're just scraping for points here.
12."WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is?"- Firstly, your point here was about if the kitchen lose the ticket. Already the delay is their fault, we can't magic up another ticket without asking you, and if we ask you, not only is it unprofessional, but the likes of YOU in particular would come to Reddit and have a tantrum about it.
14. "Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted."- Is this even English?
Okay so in my experience I've never done the listed things, nor have I experienced anyone who has done them to me. I do understand that it is sometimes the server's fault, however in my experience, more often than not it's the kitchen's problem. I see that you've had some pretty terrible, life-changing experiences at restaurants and I can only hope you received emotional support following them, however they are just your experiences, which are completely different to my own.
I'm not going to resort to name-calling like you, but I must tell you... it's no wonder you get terrible service, nobody wants to serve an entitled prick who can't accept anything other than 5 star service at all establishments.
Good day :)
Edit
"Chili's has 4 computers at our local Chili's, so don't make some kind of excuse that there's only one computer either."- Is Chili's the only restaurant ever to exist? I don't work at Chili's...nor have i even heard of it????
flowwiththego "Springs does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I can't tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes."
The question was WHEN did you put in my order. NOT forgotten. LEARN how to READ!
"Just an update from something I posted about in here:
yesterday we had five tables come in literally at once. No other ticket on the board at the time. Two three tops and three two tops. The two waitresses alternate tables when their is only two of them. Now the one waitress is the only one who consistently asks us where her food is and that her table is getting mad. Well, guess what I observed her doing? She put three orders in at once. She got the first table then went to the next table and after that went to the next table. I was nice but explained that what she was doing was against company policy. I explained that her first table had to wait and that the other server got her tix in before her even though her first table was there before everyone else. I also told her that at least 75% of the time it is the servers fault when an order takes too long. I also told her that we know now why she is the only server who has customers getting mad because their food took too long on a consistent basis. I told her if she needed to save time to get faster on the pos system."
Gee, here's a person that has DONE the job, says I am right, so what does that tell you, huh? This person even has PHYSICAL STORIES that TRULY MAKE SENSE.
FORGETTING to put in an order"- I'm gonna call complete bullshit on this one because even if a waiter or waitress did forget to put your order through, there's not chance they would actually admit it to you.>
We have had servers ADMITTED to it. I PROMISE you. One was at Fox and Hound in 2006 or 2007, another was at Macaroni Grill where a girl covered her mouth as our entrรฉes came(she didn't write our orders down btw).
A waiter that put in an order wrong told me "I pressed the wrong button." A waitress told my husband that she put in the order wrong for his entrรฉe. Another waiter told us he grabbed the wrong plate from the kitchen.
While those 3 above aren't forgetting to put in orders, it's*ADMITTING FAULT HONESTLY to the customer's face. You are VERY WRONG that servers won't admit it. SOME are honest.
Apologies that your order isn't the first on everyone's priority list>
It shouldn't be unless my order was first.
"Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer?"- Can't really answer this one as all the places I've worked have used notepads and pens. >
That's pretty old timey sounding. I have had a waitress ADMIT at a Chili's in 2006 that the kitchen staff misunderstood her handwriting.
You still have to WRITE IT DOWN CORRECTLY in your case and write it NEATLY as well.
"Did you DROP anything I ordered?", Okay well my original point was that it isn't always our fault that the food takes ages to come out of the kitchen, so therefore once the food is out of the kitchen it is our responsibility and if we drop it it is our fault. However that's irrelevant to the point that it isn't our fault that it takes a lot of time to come out of the kitchen... read carefully.>
Actually it does if you drop it in the kitchen and also it doesn't matter if it's not from the kitchen, if you drop it, YOU are causing my delayed food, NOT ANYONE ELSE but YOU! I will give you that this issue of dropping food doesn't happen that often thankfully.
"Did you remember to GET my food?"- hahahaha I can only assume you mean get it from the kitchen. Well in my experience, all places i've worked in have either a bell to tell waiters when the food is ready, or they are just told by the kitchen. Therefore it would be hard to forget when you hear a bell, another situation which I doubt has actually happened to you.>
Actually it has. We have sat while our servers chit chatted about BS flirting with customers while our food sat in the window. IT HAPPENS.
Also, it happens QUITE OFTEN with BAR DRINKS. We have had MANY bar drinks forgotten from the bar over the years. Twice I waited a really long time like once I waited 30 minutes, another time 25 minutes for a margarita. It happens. Also, if you forget ANY part of my order like my side dish(that has happen before a number of times) That includes forgetting condiments(the NUMBER ONE forgotten item from servers EVER).
"Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out?"- Well if we are serving several tables at once and we're busy, we don't check every single item of food before it goes out... if the kitchen have the order with your special snowflake requirements and they don't read it or make it that way, I fail to see that being my fault, rather than the kitchen's fault.>
90% of the time it's the SERVER'S FAULT:
They can put in the order wrong into the computer or if it's a written ticket they submit, they could have written something down wrong or hard to read.
They could have forgotten to put in the order in the first place.
Servers can also misunderstand what the customer is saying such as 2 times when I ordered 2 sides of bbq sauce and the stupid idiot servers thought I didnโt want bbq sauce on my ribs when I NEVER ONCE SAID I didnโt and I didnโt say โON THE SIDEโ, I SAID SIDES, which means extra. One of those times I said extra even.
Most mistakes with food are visible:
A. Condiments of any kind regardless of who brings out the food can be brought out by the server ahead of time.
B. If someone orders extra crispy bacon with their pancakes, then the bacon looks limp, not stiff, and you can even see some white fat on it, guess what? MY SERVER COULD HAVE SEEN THAT TOO AND TOLD THE COOKS IT WASN'T CORRECT, TO RECOOK IT INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT TO ME WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE!
C. Any wrong side dishes or entrees are the fault of the server if they bring out the food even if they put in the order right. You can tell the difference between a baked potato and mac n' cheese, yet, a waiter at Logan's Roadhouse was so stupid as to bring me mac n' cheese when I ordered a baked potato. I noticed it within 5 seconds of the food hitting my table. Like DUH a baked potato looks completely different from mac n' cheese.
D. Any MISSING side dishes, appetizers, condiments, or entrees ARE the server's fault if they bring out the food as well. Have had that happen a few times or so. Our servers aren't blind, so they can tell if something is missing or not.
E. I have seen a red steak delivered to someone before at Outback which means let's say the customer ordered their steak well done, that the server could have noticed the color difference as in someone's example โSteak cooked rare instead of well done ? Itโs not your serverโs fault, they didnโt cook it, itโs the kitchenโs fault.โ
F. If something LOOKS burnt such as a piece of bread with the food and the person didn't order it burnt, my server is at fault for serving me that.
G. If my server forgets an item that an entree or appetizer comes with, that's their fault if they brought me my food without the item such as a side dish or ranch.
H. I have ordered at Outback my fries "lightly cooked" "Not overdone and yellow not brown." I have had their fries before cooked the way I like them before many of times before this time I am talking about. This stupid waitress decided to blame the kitchen staff for REALLY DARK BROWN FRIES as if she was blind or something and my husband even told me he could see that they were really dark. My husband may not agree with me on every subject of course, but with that, you could EASILY tell just by LOOKING that those fries were overdone and very dark. She said she put in the order correctly. I am thinking, SO? I wish I could have said "Are you blind?" That was HER FAULT she DECIDED TO SERVE ME THOSE FRIES THAT WEREN'T CORRECT. I noticed the mistake within 3 seconds of my food being placed in front of me.
You can tell in this picture above the bacon is NOT CRISPY, just by simple LOOKING at the bacon.
While the server didn't "COOK" the bacon, it's obvious to the SERVER'S EYES that one batch of bacon is crispy and the other isn't to decide to BRING the food to the customer wrong or not. It's my server's fault if they decide to bring me the bacon that's like in picture 2 if I ordered it crispy that she or he didn't tell the cooks it was wrong and get them to cook the bacon more instead of SERVING it wrong. WHY bring it out only for the food to be sent back?
In this picture above, you can see the fries don't appear overdone and the bacon is NOT CRISPY. If a customer asked for their bacon to be crispy, I would REFUSE to serve it and I would have enough CARING and COMMON SENSE to get that fixed BEFORE I brought it to the customer only to have the customer send it back or leave me a bad tip for not caring about their food.
My server's job isn't just to bring out what the kitchen staff gives them, it's also getting the order OBVIOUSLY correct to the table as much as possible in order to get that good tip. As someone said on a blog or forum โThey just want to be tipped well and will do pretty much anything reasonable to get your moneyโ, which that IS VERY REASONABLE to think OUR SERVERS ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR TIP TO GET THINGS RIGHT TO HAVE A BETTER TIP!!
Get what I am saying here? MOST of the mistakes happen due to either your server if they bring out the food or another server that doesn't compare the ticket to the food(assuming the order was put in correctly by the original server of course).
You also can notice if someone has wing sauce "On the side" vs. "On the wings" themselves. This isn't rocket science.
Most of the things that are wrong with the food can be caught by the server if they bring out the food, even if they didn't cook it. If it's another server, they can catch obvious errors on the ticket and menu(such as menu states the item comes with bbq sauce and the ticket doesn't say "no bbq sauce") if the ticket was correctly put in by the original server that took the order. Condiments(in bottles or on the side in containers) can always be offered to be brought out ahead of time REGARDLESS of WHO brings out the food to the table.
So most of the time when the food has something wrong with it, chances are, your server or another server could have caught the mistake before it got to you in most instances. I NEVER said ALL, but in most cases, it can be caught BEFORE bringing out the food(unless another server brings out the food with the ticket wrong), because then the original server that took the order is at fault for putting the order in incorrectly into the computer.
There are few rare cases where the food being wrong is the kitchen staff's fault such as raw food(such as raw chicken), slightly undercooked or overcooked food that you'd have to CUT into to know if it was under or overcooked, or anything the server cannot see with their eyes unless they were to TOUCH the food. Things such as a pickle under a bun the server can't notice unless they lift the bun, so unless they put the order in wrong, they wouldn't be at fault, but in general most food mistakes can be caught BEFORE bringing the food to the table.
What I am saying is, MOST mistakes ARE PREVENTABLE by the SERVER if they bring your order to you that they can NOTICE things wrong by comparing those written orders to the plates of food.
Once a waiter at Chili's said "The kitchen forgot" when I had ordered 2 sides of mayo and 1 side of mustard. The thing is, my waiter brought out the food, so NO, HE HE HE HE HE FORGOT, the kitchen staff didn't step out the kitchen to bring me my food and forget obvious missing containers from my plate that aren't covered up by anything. MY WAITER DID THOUGH!!
You walk in one room in your house with a plate of food, but forget the ranch. Even if your mom or significant other plated your food, which you even told her you wanted a side of ranch for your fries, but you bring it to another room. HOW IS THAT THEIR FAULT? It's YOUR FAULT YOU LEFT THE ROOM WITHOUT THE RANCH AND DIDN'T NOTICE IT SINCE IT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUS YOU DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH TO NOTICE THE MISTAKE!!
Even if he didn't bring out the food, that waiter could have prevented that type of thing from being forgotten since it needs no cooking to bring it out ahead of time. It is always the person bringing out the food that is at fault for any type of mistake that you don't have to TOUCH the food to notice the mistake, unless of course, the order was put in wrong by the original server that took the order with another server bringing out the food. Of course unless, the kitchen goofs up, making it correctly even if the ticket is wrong, but that's highly unlikely scenario.
I cannot believe you honestly think that the server is not at fault for most food mistakes. WE LIVED THROUGH THE "DUH" MISTAKES, SO WE CAN SEE WITH OUR EYES WHO WAS AT FAULT!!
We had a waiter once admitted he grabbed the wrong entrรฉe from the kitchen. It was just my husband and I. This waiter not only admitted he didn't compare the WRITTEN ORDER with the entrรฉes he was bringing out, but also we saw he had other entrรฉes for another table that he didn't ONCE get his pad of paper out to see WHICH ENTRรE WENT WITH WHICH TABLE!! So 2 times he could have caught his mistake, but didn't ****TRY HIS BEST AS HE SHOULD HAVE, because that's HIS JOB*!!
He admitted that he grabbed the wrong entrรฉe from the kitchen. He brought my husband fried shrimp w/fries when he ordered crawfish au gratin w/baked potato. Those items look NOTHING A LIKE, but yet THAT WAITER WAS TOO LAZY AND UNCARING TO VERIFY WHAT HE WAS BRINGING US!! We still left him 17% BTW, just to let you know since he profusely apologized TWICE and FIXED THE SITUATION IMMEDIATELY just about. We honestly shouldnโt have though, because that really didn't make him LEARN anything. If I had to do it all over again, I would have tipped 13%. It's because since that happened(a number of years ago, maybe like 4), me and my husband have had some terrible experiences. We have had good ones too of course, but the servers need to LEARN that they can't just hand you ANYTHING like McDonald's cashiers do. They are there to EARN a tip, NOT to just hand you anything.
It's very rare that it's not the server's fault. Things like if I order no pickles if you took my order and brought out my food, which there are some pickles under a bun that you'd have to lift it to see it, unless you admitted putting in the order wrong, I will assume it's the kitchen staff that is at fault and probably is.
Things like raw chicken tenders aren't the fault of the server.
A slightly over or undercooked steak if the order was put in correctly is not the server's fault.
Also, some people assume things as well, that end up being wrong.
If another server brings out a wrong side dish or if they are missing items other than condiments, no it's not the server's fault if they put in the order correctly, but it still counts against the tip. It's part of the service.
Why also is it when you say "no pickles" or "ONLY lettuce and onions", they still have a pickle on the plate? WHY you servers can't understand that if the customer states they don't want pickles, that means on the plate, because otherwise, they'd specifically state they would have wanted it "ON THE SIDE." Think about it. WHY do I keep having servers bring me some pickles on the plate when I ordered no pickles? NO SERVERS ARE BLIND OR ILLITERATE that they cannot determine any of the obvious errors that don't have to be touched to notice the mistakes or mistake.
All of these are TIME RELATED issues.
If the kitchen FORGETS to let us know when they've finished making the food that's their problem, not ours.>
Actually it IS your problem and YOUR FAULT, here's why:
"I had a server last year who twice in one day did not realize she had customers waiting and hour and did not get food. One tix she forgot but one tix one of the cooks put it on the done spindle instead of on the board. The thing is though her section was only five tables and c'mon how do you not realize that one of your tables didn't get food but tables 20 minutes after them did? We were slammed but still. Like I wrote it is a tough profession that most people couldn't do."
It was up to HER to have noticed that one of her tables didn't get their food. So part of the issue was the kitchen staff for putting it the done pile, but most of it was the server's fault, because she could have found out in a MUCH MORE REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT IS THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH AND YOU KNOW IT!
If you are my server, I would EXPECT you to check up on my food within 20 minutes entrรฉes, 10 minutes appetizers(or side salads or cups/bowls of soup) at the LEAST to see WHERE it was. So don't put most of the blame on the cook when YOU could have noticed the cook wasn't doing his job at in a REASONABLE amount of time. You let me wait 45 minutes to get my food, you deserve a stiff, PERIOD, unless you update me to let me know you have been checking up on my food.
Your job is to check up on my food. That IS your job!
nixity said: โAs a server, I checked EVERY ticket before I took it out and looked at the plates to make sure something wasn't visibly fucked up before I brought it out to my table. If something was visibly wrong ("Hey, this was supposed to be no onions") I would have a line cook fix it immediately before taking it out. If it's a runner bringing you your food they should be held to the same standard.. but since they don't get the tip they're less likely to care.โ
Demosthenes9 said: "Absolutely right. As a waiter, it was ultimately my responsibility to ensure that EVERYTHING was correct with your food. Cooks would plate up entrees and the expediter would "build tickets" by collecting the correct entrees, adding the side items, and placing the plates on a tray to complete the order. (at least that's how it worked just about everywhere I have been). At that point, the waiter SHOULD check each plate to see that the order is correct to include having the correct side items. Waiter should also make sure that the food is still hot and didn't "die in the window" while waiting for the order to be filled. Lastly, a waiter who actually knows what he is doing can simply look at your steak and tell with some accuracy whether it is cooked correctly or not. (There are of course exceptions where steaks are "borderline", like right between medium rare and medium, or between medium and mid well.) I have had any number of cooks yell at me because I told them to recook a steak before I even took it to the table. It doesn't take a genius to see a somewhat burnt steak sitting on a plate and to figure out that it ISN'T medium rare as ordered.) The funny thing is, if waiters took the time to pay attention to the little details like the one's Spring mentioned, they would actually have MORE time on their hands to take care of customers. Afterall, it takes maybe 30 seconds to check over an order and make sure it's correct. Failure to do so means that you now have to go all the way back to"
So what you think of this waiter? He wasn't lazy and uncaring like you are.
I actually don't understand what you're talking about in your seventh point so I shall move on.>
When appetizers are ordered for example, sometimes servers wait until you get the appetizer to put your entrรฉe order in. Now you understand how they can wait TOO LONG to do so?
"WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER?" Answer covered earlier in this. We come to get it when the kitchen tells us it's ready.>
NO IDIOT, I mean WHEN DO YOU COME TO MY TABLE TO GET MY ORDER like when I VERBALLY TELL YOU? Did you **READ my story of how the waitress greeted us and didn't come back on purpose until the appetizer came? You obviously didn't understand what I am saying? If your server goes buss a table before coming to get your order and you have been ready to order, they are delaying your food from getting to you. Do you understand? There's been times where we have waited 5 minutes just to get greeted and at times since it was that long ordered our entrรฉes at the greeting as well.
"WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER?" When you look ready? This is one of the only points I will agree with because often when there are several tables to be served, if we're understaffed (management's fault, not ours), then it's hard to prioritise some tables over others.>
You can't disagree with any other points since they are all FACTS, NOT some "opinions" to agree or disagree with. Also, you don't understand, I mean when the waiter I talked about how he asked us if how our Mardi Gras was and if we had gone to any parades BEFORE we even got to order our drinks even. THAT is delaying our food. Talk about that shit AFTER our order has been put in, NOT BEFORE we have a CHANCE to order.
"WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD?"- I've already covered this more than once, I cannot possibly stress it again.>
As I said before, a server can decide to buss tables or chit chat or flirt with someone or as in my Red Lobster example, hand things off the tray in the WRONG order. We had ordered our entrรฉes BEFORE those people were in the building, but yet the waitress gave their side salads off the SAME TRAY as our entrรฉes to them first. That's delaying our food. It may be seconds of delay, but it's still a delay the server causes purely 100%. It takes seconds just to put more than one table's items on the tray even. That's cutting on both counts in terms of turns.
"Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me?"- I'm quite certain that nobody in the history of waiting tables has EVER done that. Looks like you're just scraping for points here. >
Did you READ my story of the raspberry cheesecake how the bitch waitress decided for us that we wanted strawberry without telling us they were out of raspberry topping? We have had this happen several occasions different situations. One was I ordered a coke at a restaurant bar, which this happened twice, they gave me Pepsi. Another time, I ordered a white russian with kettle one vodka, they were out, the waiter with it ALREADY MADE asked if "Absolut vodka was ok." He didn't ask me prior to having the bartender make it.
Also, a bartender once told me that a bartender gave her bud light with lime cause they were out of bud light as if that was ok. A pizza delivery guy brought me marinara sauce for a garlic sauce and told me I should keep the substitution HE made.
There's LOTS of assholes that do this shit. You just haven't had any I guess. We have though.
12."WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is?"- >Firstly, your point here was about if the kitchen lose the ticket. Already the delay is their fault, we can't magic up another ticket without asking you, and if we ask you, not only is it unprofessional, but the likes of YOU in particular would come to Reddit and have a tantrum about it.>
As I said before, REREAD flowwiththego's comment:
"I had a server last year who twice in one day did not realize she had customers waiting and hour and did not get food. One tix she forgot but one tix one of the cooks put it on the done spindle instead of on the board. The thing is though her section was only five tables and c'mon how do you not realize that one of your tables didn't get food but tables 20 minutes after them did? ""
Do you realize that instead of an hour it could have been 30 minutes wait if she would have checked up on WHERE the hell the food was even if it was on the done spindle? I mean really you are this stupid? You are CONTRIBUTING* to the longer wait. While some of the time wasn't her fault, some(MOST) of it WAS her fault, understand? She could have checked up on where the hell the food was in a more TIMELY FASHION.
nor have I experienced anyone who has done them to me.>
You don't know. Do you watch your server after she or he takes your order? Does she or he go to another table that didn't call him or her over nor did they have any previously ordered items to deliver? Are they going to buss a table while an empty computer is there? LOTS of times I have seen servers go out of order of turns or buss a table before putting in an order by an empty computer even.
more often than not it's the kitchen's problem.>
NO, it's not. HOW then? I just mentioned how it's YOUR JOB to *****KNOW WTH YOU ARE SERVING** if all the details you can see WITHOUT touching the food are correct and not missing.
As I said, if you are in your own house, you have your mother make you some food. You told her you wanted mashed potatoes, she hands your friend a baked potato to give you and your friend knows you wanted mashed potatoes, how is it not your friend's fault they handed you the wrong item IDIOT? You don't want to accept *******SELF-RESPONSIBILITY****** for ***YOUR OWN ACTIONS******!
Quit lying saying it's the kitchen's fault most of the time when 90% of the time it's not the kitchen staff's fault and you know it.
nobody wants to serve an entitled prick who can't accept anything other than 5 star service at all establishments.>
My tip money makes me entitled and I am not a prick. You are to lie like this. EVERYWHERE you TIP you should get 5-star service since your hard earned money is paying for it in the tip.
I don't work at Chili's...nor have i even heard of it????>
Had nothing to say to prove me wrong I see.... HMMM, isn't that something I am right, huh? Most issues you have at restaurants are your server's fault in general. I didn't say all, but most are their fault.
The moment you take my order, WHAT are you doing afterwards. You have to think about that. Do you even put in the order correctly? You go get some dirty plates and bring them to the kitchen before putting in my order, you are delaying my fucking food A LOT, not just that minute or seconds, but now OTHER servers are BEATING MY ORDER into the kitchen to get fixed. You just have ZERO CLUE OF WTF you are talking about. WHY can't you just be HONEST, HUH? Are you really this STUPID? I am not even a server, I was only counter help before as far as a job similar to this and I have MORE KNOWLEDGE than someone that has done the job. That's messed up. You walk up to the next table that didn't call you over and you have no previously items ordered to check up on them VOLUNTARILY, then HOW do you say it's the kitchen's fault, huh? YOU BY YOURSELF DECIDED TO CUT TURNS, NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU! Chili's has 4 computers at our local Chili's, so don't make some kind of excuse that there's only one computer either.
She is responding to MT's comment and this was a waitress at a Red Lobster. I had gone on her blog, she came onto mine agreeing with me. Her blog has since been deleted, so I can't go on hers, but her comment is still on my blog.
" MT
"Your system of never taking another tables drink order before turning in a ticket would back you up terribly, not to mention the humongous quantity of time you'd waste checking plates and menu prices. It would take you forever to get anything done."
In my opinion, MT, once an order is taken, it should be put into the computer IMMEDIATELY. Once my guests place their order with me, the clock begins to tick. They should be getting their apps 5-10 minutes after they PLACE their order, and their entrees should take between 20-30 minutes (where I work). You really should not start off a new table with an appetizer or dinner order on hold. The guests who just placed their order (who are hungry) are watching you approach another table. You then have to build your rapport, go over the specials, and possibly answer questions. This can potentially be very time consuming and your guests are not going to appreciate the delay in your service. There are other times when it is acceptable to work all your tables together, but when you have a food order you shouldn't be doing this. The correct way to handle this is to approach the table (with the other tables' menus in hand) and acknowledge their presence, and tell them YOU WILL BE RIGHT BACK. Then you ring in the order, go back to the table, and then you can do your greeting, go over specials, answer questions, etc. Now you can take your time with the new table cause you know that your other tables' food is getting worked on by the kitchen. I know that this can be time-consuming but it really is worth it. Waste no time getting food orders in. August 5, 2011 at 12:05 PM "
You do realize that she is right about once you take an order, the CLOCK BEGINS TO TICK and that actually goes for anyone waiting for a table AS WELL AS the customers that the server took the order from.
โSprings does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I canโt tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes.โ
Stef319 was a server and AGREES WITH ME, isn't that something? It's because it's TRUE. Look at Flowwiththego how this person said how the first table has to wait "EXTRA LONG", which is preventing customers from getting seated faster if there is a wait for a table or if there becomes a wait for a table when the customer arrives. Every MINUTE, SECOND COUNTS in service. That's what you don't seem to understand. As this person said, other servers have put orders in also AHEAD of that first table, so the first table REALLY GETS A HUGE, HUGE HIT when it comes to wait times. It prevents that table from leaving faster. If it's a triple sat situation, even the second table is being punished for the 3rd table. Not going to put in orders right after getting them only helps ONE table out the 3 and that is making the other 2 tables contribute to a longer wait time to get seated even. You think that waiting to get seated has nothing to do with the server, but it SURE THE HELL DOES. EVERY mistake they make contributes to a longer wait for a table. Especially if it's the check that has an overcharge.
dif point of view>
It's not a "point of view", it's the GOD'S HONEST TRUTH of what I am saying and it's a LIE of what you are saying. I have seen servers buss a table BEFORE going to put an order in LOTS of times. There's no reason for that, NONE! Especially if there's no wait for a table.
Every mistake your server brings that is a DUH OBVIOUS error like missing condiments on the side or wrong food, etc. that takes up TIME. So it's like 2 mistakes in one, because it's not only the food mistake, but it takes TIME to bring it out wrong and then bring back the corrected item or missing item.
So I am so SICK of people LYING on the internet about this!
Well making up an elaborate, obvious extremely dramatized story for sweet sweet karma is pretty lame, but I guess we all have to live for something eh?
Then you're remembering it incorrectly. Because the odds that you and your family, let's say... of four people? Sat at a table for 120 minutes before being fed. Saw the waiter FIVE TIMES. That's like 1.3 times every THIRTY minutes. That's bat shit crazy in itself. And then, you expect us to believe that you waited an ADDITIONAL hour after all this cockamamy bullshit to receive the bill, but revealed you were at a seat in which you could SEE the waiter the whole time but NEVER confronted her before. And THEN you say daddy stood at the front for a long time and then left? Yeah bro. Maybe you were like 4 and remember it wrong, but that's not what went down. Sorry bro.
I was 15 at the time and how exactly do you think you know better than I do what fucking happened I really don't give a shit what you think leave me alone I wasn't lying or remembering incorrectly, we ordered to fucking pizzas that took 2 hours to get to the table so would you kindly fuck off I will not be replying to you again jackass
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, I mean holy shit is that not believable
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similarish thing happened to me. 45 minutes before we even got drinks, 10 minutes after that they took our order, another 40 minutes before we got food, and you bet that as soon as we finished they got our bill in an instant. We heard the waitress complain we didn't tip her, when we saw her all of five times
This is more in line of what it sounds like when a restaurant is shit on fire. Also, you aren't your servers only table, and I can guarantee you she isn't standing by your table because he or she is standing in the kitchen trying to find which dick to suck to get your food out. People have this victim mentality where they think when things are going poorly at a restaurant it's ONLY happening to them, and the server doesn't care at all, when in actuality if your experience is going poorly (other than the server itself being something less than desirable) that's indicative of a situation that's far out of the servers control. I'm so tired of entitled people thinking servers are worthless and "can't even get a simple job right "
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:06:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Servers weren't worthless, but i was pissed when people that got there twenty minutes after us got served first. Yeah, it's probably the kitchen, but come the fuck on. When people that arrive later get stuff earlier, I tend to think the waiter is not doing so great, and seeing them 5 times in over an hour was just awful.
Depends on what you ordered, how many people are at your table etc.
If you ordered a medium-well burger or steak and you are with 5 other people, your meal is going to take significantly longer to get out than a couple who walked in and ordered some salad with grilled chicken. (Granted I have no idea, what you ordered, just putting some perspective out there)
I'm so tired of entitled people thinking servers are worthless and "can't even get a simple job right ">
I am so tired of servers acting like they are most of the time not at fault for wait times.
Ask yourself a question: After taking table 4's order, what did you do?
Did you go to the computer to put the order in?
Did you go to another table that didn't call you over to get their order or check up on them?
Did you buss a table and/or grab dirty dishes to bring them to the kitchen?
Did you chit chat with a regular customer or flirt with the bartender or customer?
Did you deliver food for another table or any previously requested items?
Did you put in the order correctly?
Did you deliver the food obviously correctly?
When did you get my food?
Did you not come to get our order and you clearly could have like you forgot so you are bussing tables instead of coming back?
Did you drop the food?
If you know table 4 ordered before table 5 and some of their food is on the same tray(like table 4's entrรฉes are on the same tray as table 5's appetizer), do you hand off the tray table 5's appetizer first?
Let's say cook loses ticket at 7:20p.m.(you put in the order at 7:10p.m.), you don't check up on WHERE the food is until 7:50p.m.?
Let's go over the list.
If you did that, that's what you should be doing.
If you did that, you are CUTTING in front of the 1st table's turns order and YOU are causing the delay, NOT anyone else!
If you did that, SHAME ON YOU since you are putting OBJECTS AHEAD OF AN ORDER, NOT even a human being's time YOU DELAYING the food on purpose.
If you do this, shame on you as well, because YOU are delaying the food.
If you did that's fair and I will agree that's not your fault, but if that table asks for let's say 2 ranches when you deliver their food because the CUSTOMER forgot to ask for them, it would be CUTTING if you got the ranches first delaying the customer's order that you just got their order from. Cutting is wrong and YOU are delaying the food. The customer that forgot, well, they forgot and that is THEIR FAULT they forgot, so they should wait longer for their request. It is only fair to not punish the innocent table that gave you the order correctly from the get go.
If you didn't put in the order correctly, obviously, it's going to get delayed by YOU unless the kitchen staff magically somehow still makes it the correct way somehow, which is very unlikely.
If you are the server that took the order that brought out the food, was it correct as far as anything you can see without touching the food. If you don't bring out the food, did you bring out any condiments BEFORE the food was delivered in case the person that runs the food messes up or doesn't even read the ticket?
Was it sitting there and you were chit chatting it up with customers you know? If so, that's YOUR FAULT!
The LONGER you take to come to get our order, the LONGER we are waiting due to YOU, NOT anyone else.
Doesn't happen to often, but can and if you did drop the food, OF COURSE that's on YOU if YOU did that.
If you do this, YOU are the reason for the delay. Just putting it on the same tray is delaying table 4's food. Every second counts.
YOUR FAULT, because you could have checked at 7:30p.m. or 7:25p.m. but decided to just wait.
See what I am getting at?
Ask what do you do when you get an order from a table? If it's fair like if you are delivering previously ordered or asked for items, then that's fair, but if you go to 2 other tables that didn't call you over and they are ordering their entrรฉes, asking questions, modifications, etc. You do realize how long you are taking from the customers that just ordered, right? A WHOLE LOT of time and OVERWHELMING the kitchen staff in the process. How do you feel when you are overwhelmed? Don't put in 3 table's tickets at once. They aren't one big party. It's separate tickets. Don't overwhelm the kitchen and then expect people not to wait a long time for their food. It hurts server's tips , the customers, and the business by doing so.
because he or she is standing in the kitchen trying to find which dick to suck to get your food out.>
Did they do EVERYTHING they could BEFORE they put in the order is the question?
The person you wrote to, 45 minutes for drinks, that's ridiculous even for bar drinks. Also, it shouldn't be 10 minutes later getting their orders in most cases. You act like that servers have no control over time you wait, but the THEY for the most part.
Watch your server the next time you go out to eat. See if they go to another table. If they do that didn't call them over and they aren't delivering food or any previously ordered items, then they are HUGELY DELAYING your food. That is the TRUTH and you know it.
They can't get a simply job right most of the time because most don't even try like some aren't willing to write things down, some aren't willing to check their written order with the food for obvious mistakes, etc.
While you shouldn't have waited an hour for the bill, the food probably wasn't the server's fault. Unless she/he forgot to put your food in, it was probably the cooks fucking around in back, or made the wrong thing, or whatever reason. But more often than not, the cooks are the reason the food takes so long and servers can't do a thing about it. So she probably couldn't have been doing anything extra to help while she was talking to someone else ( even though that's also not what id be doing, I'd be yelling at the cooks and updating my table, but still.. ) just something from a dif point of view
But more often than not, the cooks are the reason the food takes so long and servers can't do a thing about it.>
NO, you are VERY WRONG AND STUPID, HERE'S WHY YOU DUMB DINGY IDIOT:
Ask yourself these questions as a server:
WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each tableโs order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.
FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.
Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrรฉes before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.
Did you FORGET ANYTHING I ORDERED such as a SIDE DISH? We have had this happen a number of times as well.
Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen for food, but just recently had a bar drink a server spilled on our table. I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.
Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.
Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrรฉe is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isnโt covered up isnโt extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isnโt without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DONโT CARE!!
Servers DO wait to put in entrรฉe orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT IS THE GODโS TRUTH! Sometimes itโs TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If itโs another server, it still doesnโt make it the kitchen staffโs fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something thatโs obvious. Itโs either my server that didnโt put in my order correctly or this other server that didnโt compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).
WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.
WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.
WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.
Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.
WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?
Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrรฉes on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasnโt even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasnโt our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVERโS CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!
Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrรฉe order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrรฉe orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldnโt have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrรฉe orders when we could have given our entrรฉe orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrรฉes faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrรฉe orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrรฉes as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrรฉe orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrรฉe orders in. What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldnโt touch it, because we had to order our entrรฉes and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrรฉes because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrรฉe orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.
Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that sheโd bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didnโt, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didnโt even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly canโt believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasnโt like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didnโt know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.
Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didnโt know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING โHowโs yโallโs Mardi Grasโ โGo to any parades.โ See, I donโt mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you donโt take up our time.
We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(Iโll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 peopleโs drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they donโt, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the serverโs fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had SOMETHING to do with the delay in most cases! Thatโs the GODโS TRUTH!
More often than not, the *SERVER is CAUSING your delay. How many times have I seen servers that have been triple sat not going to the computer, but VOLUNTARILY* without being called over take 2 other table's orders? A NUMBER OF TIMES. The LONGER you wait to put in my order, the LONGER I wait.
Also, you say they can't do something about it, but if the cooks are fucking around back in the kitchen, the server can get the manager, they can notify them of table 5 ordered 20 minutes ago for mozzarella sticks, why aren't they out yet, kind of thing.
She is responding to MT's comment and this was a waitress at a Red Lobster. I had gone on her blog, she came onto mine agreeing with me. Her blog has since been deleted, so I can't go on hers, but her comment is still on my blog.
" MT
"Your system of never taking another tables drink order before turning in a ticket would back you up terribly, not to mention the humongous quantity of time you'd waste checking plates and menu prices. It would take you forever to get anything done."
In my opinion, MT, once an order is taken, it should be put into the computer IMMEDIATELY. Once my guests place their order with me, the clock begins to tick. They should be getting their apps 5-10 minutes after they PLACE their order, and their entrees should take between 20-30 minutes (where I work). You really should not start off a new table with an appetizer or dinner order on hold. The guests who just placed their order (who are hungry) are watching you approach another table. You then have to build your rapport, go over the specials, and possibly answer questions. This can potentially be very time consuming and your guests are not going to appreciate the delay in your service. There are other times when it is acceptable to work all your tables together, but when you have a food order you shouldn't be doing this. The correct way to handle this is to approach the table (with the other tables' menus in hand) and acknowledge their presence, and tell them YOU WILL BE RIGHT BACK. Then you ring in the order, go back to the table, and then you can do your greeting, go over specials, answer questions, etc. Now you can take your time with the new table cause you know that your other tables' food is getting worked on by the kitchen. I know that this can be time-consuming but it really is worth it. Waste no time getting food orders in. August 5, 2011 at 12:05 PM "
You do realize that she is right about once you take an order, the CLOCK BEGINS TO TICK and that actually goes for anyone waiting for a table AS WELL AS the customers that the server took the order from.
โSprings does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I canโt tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes.โ
Stef319 was a server and AGREES WITH ME, isn't that something? It's because it's TRUE. Look at Flowwiththego how this person said how the first table has to wait "EXTRA LONG", which is preventing customers from getting seated faster if there is a wait for a table or if there becomes a wait for a table when the customer arrives. Every MINUTE, SECOND COUNTS in service. That's what you don't seem to understand. As this person said, other servers have put orders in also AHEAD of that first table, so the first table REALLY GETS A HUGE, HUGE HIT when it comes to wait times. It prevents that table from leaving faster. If it's a triple sat situation, even the second table is being punished for the 3rd table. Not going to put in orders right after getting them only helps ONE table out the 3 and that is making the other 2 tables contribute to a longer wait time to get seated even. You think that waiting to get seated has nothing to do with the server, but it SURE THE HELL DOES. EVERY mistake they make contributes to a longer wait for a table. Especially if it's the check that has an overcharge. We have EXPERIENCED being there longer, so we KNOW and you obviously don't you don't! Try next time talking when you KNOW WTH you are talking about.
dif point of view>
It's not a "point of view", it's the GOD'S HONEST TRUTH of what I am saying and it's a LIE of what you are saying. I have seen servers buss a table BEFORE going to put an order in LOTS of times. There's no reason for that, NONE! Especially if there's no wait for a table.
Every mistake your server brings that is a DUH OBVIOUS error like missing condiments on the side or wrong food, etc. that takes up TIME. So it's like 2 mistakes in one, because it's not only the food mistake, but it takes TIME to bring it out wrong and then bring back the corrected item or missing item.
I've worked in the restaurant business my entire life. Family owns a restaurant and my dad and me and cousins and uncle cooks. My mom and sister waitress. I generally tip 20% as a default and raise for good service., but you better believe that if you are unfriendly and incompetent I will dump your ass with fucking pocket change.
I completely agree with this. I once tipped 8 cents after a server brought me the wrong food not once but twice and then took half an hour to get me a pint of beer. (restaurant was not busy at all and the bar was right inside). 99% of the time I leave decent tips but I absolutely will not tip well when I get garbage service that is clearly their fault.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, proper etiquette would dictate that you tip the expected minimum and speak with the manager, though of course, that could lead to more problems for the server.
I've been a sever and like many, have also had bad service. I do not agree in not tipping anything, even in horrible situations.
ceetc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the person was sincerely super apologetic I would probably have still done a standard tip. Sometimes things get fucked no matter how hard you try. If the person was an ass about it at all though I'd scoop the change after paying.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:20:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends for me. Is it really busy and they're understaffed? If they don't refill the glasses as much as I'd like, I can understand. But if it's moderate and they're well staffed then it's frustrating.
The issue here is not tipping just sends a message of "I'm a dick" instead of "You have bad service." I'm sure the server didn't WANT to spill a drink on you, they just fucked up. The waiter will just grumble a bit and forget about it. You were probably one of like 20 tables (s)he served that evening, possibly among them Europeans who didn't tip because unfamiliarity with US culture, etc. Nobody will know of the bad service you received and nothing will improve.
If you really want the restaurant to improve, get a manager and explain calmly what happened. They are heavily invested in making sure you have a good dining experience. For service that bad I'd predict your whole meal would be comped at a minimum, might get an extra dessert or free meal in the future or something as well, depending on the type of restaurant and manager's discretion. You'd pay way less, get better service, girlfriend gets appropriate meal(you could probably doggy bag the free Wrongmeal as well) and the issue would be brought to light. Everyone wins!
Also some restaurants pool tips, so not tipping also screws over the other servers for no reason.
Lastly yes, it'd probably make more sense for the industry to just pay a living wage to servers so they don't have to rely on tips, but in practice (judging from non tipped low skill workers in fast food, retail, etc) servers would probably end up getting minimum wage or close to it. As it is, waiting tables is one of the few non skilled jobs remaining where people can eke out something of a living wage. (Usually $15-20/hour, could go higher at fancier places). Humanity as a whole is far kinder than some corporate bigwig setting a fixed wage. I think this is a good thing.
Source: Was a server before/during college, now a white collar type, got through at least in part due to savings earned through waiting tables.
Serious question: why the hell would you tip a rude waiter?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because nowadays some people are trying to say that 20% tip is actually more reasonable. Or 23.5% on some places with a little electronic sliding scale, which I don't even know how to calculate, and no way I'm paying that much.
I've only withheld a tip three times. Each time, the service was completed terrible. Once, a server took a very long time to put in our order and then brought cold food that was incorrect anyway. She took another 30 minutes to check back on us and another 45 minutes to bring a corrected meal which was also cold. No tip.
Another, a server dumped an entire tray of drinks on me. No apology, and all he did was bring a stack of napkins and put them on the table in front of me without saying a word. We had only ordered drinks at that point. We paid, didn't tip, and left without eating.
The third was just all around bad service. Slow, rude, mistakes on the order. Texting at the register while we tried to get his attention. Just shitty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I wouldn't tip a waiter who tried to charge me for stuff I didn't order and spilled a drink on my girlfriend, then brought her the entirely wrong dinner.
Apparently, I was the incompetent one that night.
If the person did their job tip them, if they didn't, fuck it.
When I was a waitress, I once spilled gravy in a woman's purse. She was pissed! Weirdly, she still tipped me though, and quite well......I most certainly didn't expect it.
It was hilarious, though. I laughed, albeit guiltily, about that for months. :D
Had a waitress ask us to pay before we even got our food so that she could "go ahead home for the night." That's fine but don't expect more than some quarters.
I would have REFUSED to pay for something I didn't receive yet. She could go to hell, seriously, fuck her.
bythog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I've spoken to a manager before to try to get a waitress at minimum reprimanded for how utterly incompetent she was. Things she did:
Had us wait at least 10 minutes before introducing herself. Didn't take a drink order yet.
When she came back 5 minutes later she only took our drink orders, despite the fact that we were ready to order (since we had been there 15 minutes already).
After another 5 minutes we get the drinks. My friend ordered sweet tea, tasted it, then commented to the waitress that his tea was unsweetened and if she'd fix it. She picked up the glass, took a sip, slammed it down, then said "Tastes sweet to me.", and then walked off. Still have not had our dinner order taken.
We finally get our order in 30 minutes after sitting down. It took another 30 minutes before our food came, which was brought by a different table's server. Of the 4 orders 3 were wrong. Mine wasn't even close (I ordered chicken and potatoes, got fish and fries). We couldn't even find our waitress to have her fix everything.
At that point we didn't even eat the food and decided to leave. I had the hostess get the manager and described our evening to him. Waitress finally appears and says that we were lying and that we need to pay for our dinner. If I weren't so angry at this point I would have fell over laughing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:06:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Waiters/waitresses like to complain as if it's so terrible that they have to rely on tips... but...
If you ask any of them if they'd prefer a flat standard cheap wage, they'll all say no, because they know some nights they'd triple what they would make at 9 bucks an hour due to people buying alcohol and tipping on top of that.
I barely want to tip waiters even when they do their job right. That much fuck up? Nope.
mbinder ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:22:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care what my waiter did. I will always pay at least 15% tip. They rely on that money to live, and everyone makes mistakes. I don't get people who think they deserve perfection - chill out!
The dude ruined my night. We were supposed to go somewhere else after we ate, but my girlfriend was so upset that she just wanted to get home.
I really don't give a fuck about the waiter, to be honest. I'm not expecting "perfection" I'm expecting "Don't try to defraud me, pay attention to what I order, and please don't spill booze on us."
I don't get people who think they deserve perfection - chill out! >
I don't get why servers think they deserve the "PERFECT TIP" if they didn't do a good job? It's one thing if it's a tiny mistake, but even then, if I don't get an apology, it's not going to be 20% the tip. If they aren't nice, why should I give them exactly 20%?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why should someone be obliged to pay a worker who cannot competently do his job?
mbinder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because working for free is slavery. And my idea of a competent job is did I eat? If yes, then tip.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If a waiter doesn't do a good enough job to earn a VOLUNTARY tip, he by no means deserves it. I can't fucking believe you call that slavery. That waiter is not being forced to work there, and he is not working for free.
Also, if your bare minimum of "good service" is getting your food, more power to you I suppose... but that's a pretty low standard.
If you think tips are "voluntary" you are a jackass. It is a merit based payment system, by leaving 0 you are saying the person should work free for you (And yes it is working for free when your garbage hourly only covers your tax burden). If they suck, leave them less, but you really don't seem like you should eat out. You are the type of person subsidized by everyone else.
It always bothers me when I get downvoted on something I know to be true, that I've indisputably experienced in my life. I once said that you can cut a motorcycle tire down the middle to make it easier to get off a rim (it makes it way easier to break the bead when you have essentially two separate tires on the rim). I was told that's not possible unless you use a grinder or a dremel type cut off wheel..I had just changed my tire a month or so prior, and cut it down the middle in about 15 seconds with a normal utility knife "box cutter" with an old, rusty blade. But someone else said it's not possible, and other people read that and downvoted without any confirmation. It's not the votes I care about, it's that people just decided one person was right and not another without evidence pointing either way.
Been a long time, but a long Island iced tea is vodka gin rum tequila and triple sec, all clear varieties. Then add sour mix, and then coke till it looks like iced tea.
No it doesn't. He's correct. You're usually going to see sour mix at a bar because it's an easy and cheap replacement for other ingredients but it's not something the drink calls for, it's just a shortcut that a lot of establishments use.
I get what you're saying, but the drink calls for lemon juice and sugar. This is what is meant by sour. You can mix them together ahead of time, or you can add them to the drink as you make it. Or you can buy and use a pre-made mix, though I don't advise it because they're nowhere near as good as fresh, and fresh isn't that much work really. Regardless of the method you choose, the recipe for a Long Island iced tea calls for sour. I like to mix a bunch of fresh sour up and freeze it as ice cubes in 1/2 oz portions. Makes it fast and easy to use, and fresh frozen is nearly indistinguishable from fresh.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:00:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU! (for margaritas, any way)
And no orange liqueur, which bastardizes good tequila. If I was going to have one, I only liked a Pure/Classic Margarita.
At most bars/restaurants, they put bar mix in a margarita. When I make one at home, I most definitely do not. Tequila, triple sec, lime juice. I like to add disaronno. Bar mix is for bars to increase their profitability and give their patrons belly aches and the shits.
Why do you say that? It is part of the recipe. If you make it without tequila, it's not a long island is it? Like a martini with anything other than gin and vermouth isn't a martini. But maybe I'm just a prude
504play ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It wasnt part of the original recipe, somewhere along the line some places/ people added it in. Im willing to bet it probably would not be in the recipe if i googled it right now. I'll be right back.
Edit: i was wrong, to be fair it also said to use lemon juice and not sour mix, so obviously it was a stupid recope anyway. But a cocktail should not taste like alcohol and if you make a long island with tequila you will taste the tequila. Try it with and without next time. 2 different drinks. One that masked the taste of the alcohol like a cocktail should and one that tastes like tequila.
It's not a drink I make anyway... but, why shouldn't I be able to taste the alcohol? For me, if I choose a cocktail over a beer or wine, I'm probably looking to get a faster buzz. And I mean some two ingredient drinks like a gin and tonic or a martini, you're absolutely going to be able to taste the gin...
504play ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A "cocktail" is three or more ingredients. Gin and tonic or rum and coke is a "mixed drink". Cocktails are designed to mask the taste of alcohol. If you want to taste the alcohol and get drunk fast, do a shot of straight alcohol.
reminds me of my Boston Iced Tea where I chug a bunch of whatever liquor is within arms reach and chase it with the closest non-liquor (could be iced tea!)
Nooo. Not the classic one anyway, although adding iced tea on top of it is fine. It's the 4 clear liquors with triple sec and coca cola.
jopnk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Half ounce vodka, gin, white rum, three quarter ounce triple sec and tequila, fill with sour, splash of Coke for color, mix, garnish with lemon. Long Island ice tea.
The two words sound similar so I imagine it's not an uncommon mistake. Like saying "should of" instead of "should have". Coincidentally, I came across this comment a few minutes ago.
cabaar ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:01:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can u tell us a recipe for Long island ice tea with actual ice tea? Im really curious and would try it :)
Just make a Long Island Iced Tea like normal, but instead of the cola you add Iced Tea to give it that color.
Or you can do it the white trash way which is a shit ton of Sailor Jerry's in a gallon of Iced Tea. Gets you just as drunk just as fast and you don't need a degree in mixology to remember how to make it when you're hammered and run out
bc2zb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's my understanding that Long Island Iced Tea is named ironically. It's based off a standard punch recipe, which would always include tea as an ingredient. A Long Island Iced Tea does not usually have tea in it, so they called it a tea as a joke. Interesting to hear that there are variants that include tea.
To be fair most bars in the USA do not put any tea in them. In fact the only reason I know tea actually is an ingredient in a classic long island is the show "good eats". I have never seen a splash of tea across the USA and all other continents. Period.
I'm a pharmacist, and made a comment distinguishing homeopathy from alternative medicine because people were using the terms interchangeably. Downvoted.
Like alright, that's fine, I only went to school for 8 years to learn this shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Homeopathy is a subset of alternative medicine, but people like to brand any kind of herb or nutraceutical as "homeopathic remedies". Homeopathy refers specifically to the "like cures like" principle, and the process of taking one or more ingredients and diluting them until they are almost indistinguishable in the final product. Unless a product follows these two rules, it is not considered homeopathy.
In the thread I was talking about, people were calling massage and snake oil supplements homeopathy and I pointed out that was an incorrect portrayal of homeopathy. Apparently they didn't like that much.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should call it a LARGE island iced tea.
No, no wait, they shouldn't.
neums08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The basic recipe for a long island is this: 3/4 oz each of gin, rum, tequila, vodka, triple sec. Now add whatever you can to this abomination to make it drinkable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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neums08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No reason it can't be made with Iced Tea if requested. I've had it with Pineapple Juice instead of Coke before and that was pretty refreshing.
jhn107 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I order a Long Island Iced Tea, I ask if it can be made with a tea base. Some bartenders look at me like I'm nuts. Some bartenders pull out their recipe book. But the good ones say I can make it anyway you want it :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
at least you were able to redeem yourself with 70+ up votes :)
If you're a bartender and you're telling people that long islands have actual tea in it, regardless of what incorrect moron wrote it down, you deserve to be downvoted.
Its like saying, you one time glanced at an index card that said rocky mountain oysters have actual oysters in them.
onioning ยท 669 points ยท Posted at 14:55:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In a TIL about a steakhouse that dry ages cheese beef I briefly commented that dry aged is different than fresh, and not necessarily better. I dry age steaks for a living. I like fresher steaks better. Apparently that's a super objectionable thought, because double digit downvotes.
That doesn't even work if you say it right. Just like english Van Gogh jokes.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:06:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never tell Americans how to pronounce things properly. I live here. Even taking their guns away in the name of the Queen won't piss off an American as much as telling them how to pronounce things properly.
I know how to pronounce dutch words because I am dutch you asshat.
Now repeat after me: jalapeรฑo /hรฆlษหpeษชnjoส/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point of OP's joke was that Americans pronounce the name of the cheese Gouda as "goodah"...i.e. "good. The word "good" in American English means that the food is tasty. You know: Namnam, Nomnom, yumyum, yummy, etc.
Why is cheese aged? I've visited the Tilamook factory and the fresh off the line samples are so much better than 'aged' store bought. Is it just a marketing gimmick?
Unless you're talking about the cheese curds samples, those samples are already aged. The entire point of cheese is the aging process which happens before it's packaged and sold.
It starts out as cream/milk, gets turned into cheese curds, then gets all bundled up and aged for some amount of time that depends on the type of cheese, and after that is when it goes through the packaging process you get to see at the cheese factory.
The reason you find the fresh samples to taste better is either a placebo or because after it's been packaged it's stored differently than while it's being initially aged.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't explain it, but if you buy the Tillamook extra-aged white medium cheddar, from my experience it is definitely better than their normal medium cheddar.
It just depends on the cheese, and the intent. Lots of cheeses are better fresher. Fresh cheddar can be awesome, but I think I do prefer aged. Like when it gets a little bit of smoky character despite never having been smoked. That's where it's at. But fresh is great too. I can see Tilamook being better fresher.
What is the difference taste wise? I have no idea how old the meat I usually eat it. I don't buy expensive meat so I may not have tried dry aged. That sounds fancy. I have no idea...
Depends on technique and time. Really long aged beef, like 60 days plus, gets these crazy cheesy flavors. I've had 100 day that tastes like parmesan. There's variation, but you develop all these complex flavors that meld together in a distinctive way. It's not that unlike aging pork as in salumi (which is more my jive).
Less time is just more subtle, and it can be extremely subtle. IMO less than 45 days isn't worthwhile. Just too much effort for too little reward. The difference between two weeks (which is normal old school) and four (which is normal for folks that advertise aging (including me for the most part)) is meaningless. I bet I could accurately determine which was which in a blind tasting like maximum 75% of the time, and this is what I do for a living.
But long dry aged is at least really interesting, and definitely worth trying, if only for the experience. Just at the end of the day I'd rather eat a steak that tastes like beef, not cheese. Shoot. I don't even need a 14 day carcass hang. Ten does just fine.
I get my meat from the grocery store, I am assuming is is whatever is cheapest for them. I am going to have to look into aged meats though, sounds interesting.
Yeah, that's hung for 5-7 days at most, or broken immediately. Probably much more so the latter, though not sure about that. The scientific literature suggests 7 is where it's at.
I'm stubborn, and I actually know about this shit, so I got blasted in that thread. Maybe a hundred plus overall downvoted, between posts. It was right when I was doing a whole bunch of controlled evaluations, for a bunch of factors. I just wanted to talk about aging steaks...
Oh, I know. I sub to a bunch of them, especially the meat ones, because it's what I do, but it's so damned circle jerky. I'd think a healthy sub would welcome participation from professionals. Even if you think I'm wrong, I'd think my posts welcome. Most of the time nope. Shame. I don't get much opportunity outside work to talk butchery and meat curing.
It is getting better I think though. I believe it's now theoretically possible to have a post about steak that isn't 100% fighting about doneness. Baby steps.
True. I'm not a professional but I enjoy cooking and most importantly I was born and raised in italy (lived there for 17 years and go back every year).
I always got downvoted about Italian food because "I don't know how real Italians eat".
Jowitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
circle jerky
Haven't tried that kind of jerky before, but Reddit talks about it all the time so it must be delicious.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Food is so retarded. All their front-page posts are basically a Cholesterol Special, and if you point out it's repetitive fawning over meat boards and steaks years on end they just get pissy.
Are you appreciatig thst you are circle jerking about people circle jerking on /r/food? "People agree with this concept a lot" is not a valid criticism of the concept.
jhn107 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A new steakhouse opened in town a few weeks ago. The chef makes both dry aged and freshly cut steaks. He sells the dry aged beef by the ounce and the freshly cut steaks at a fixed price. I can't count how many times I've seen people order the dry aged beef, compare it to someone else's fresh cut steak, and decide it wasn't worth the added premium. I don't think it's the beef, though. I think it's the chef. You have to know your meat to get the best out of it.
I was asking for advice in u/personalfinance. The question led to somebody saying "get a degree" just like that. I said "I'm graduating this summer, thank you very much" and that was downgrade by like -8. That was bull.
That sub can be a joke sometimes. I've learned some nifty things, but a lot of posts that get upvoted don't make any sense. I remember some post with a guy bragging about how he paid down $400k in debt in two years by just "not eating out anymore". But he told us his salary, and it was mathematically impossible that he'd paid off his debts that fast. It wasn't even close. And people were eating his story up.
Lol, he was claiming that he saved several times the average annual household income by not eating out? Was the guy making $250k a year and spending it on restaurants?
It seems like half the posts about amazing money saving ideas involve having a very high paying job to begin with, and act like it's so amazing they lived below their means.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:49:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I don't give a flying fuck about someone who turned around their net worth by living on 'only' $55k a year and putting the rest towards debt. Even in fucking Manhattan or San Francisco or Hong Kong that's not exactly slumming; in 99.9% of the world it's at least middle class. Who cares?! But somehow those posts always get a lot of praise. The sub has far too much influence from young engineers and developers who are still figuring out money and praise each other wildly for not screwing up an easy life.
Can you post the link? Interested to know what the comments were like.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/personalfinance is basically just /r/frugaljerk crossed with /r/I_MAKE_SIX_FIGURES_AND_I_STOPPED_SPENDING_LIKE_A_FUCKING_RETARD.
Sooo many massively upvoted posts about paying off $150k in two years with a $125k salary. Big fucking woop.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:04:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that sub is useless unless you're making a good living on a consistent salary. it's full of wankers who think they've figured out some secret of microeconomics.
I unsubbed after the thousandth time the question came up "I'm 17 and just been kicked out of home. How do I get on my feet?" and the answer is always "Start saving $250 a month for retirement." Wow guys, maybe some advice on basic personal finance planning to get him through the first few pay checks is in order first.
FourO40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. The reply doesn't come off very nice even if you weren't trying to be rude.
The way you worded it kinda made you sound like a sarcastic asshole.
Parents let a young child go to the counter (fast food) to place the order. The whole "omg a pedophile could do anything because the parents were more than 0.0000000000001 inches away" crowd was out in full force.
I pointed out how ridiculous that was, as the parents were there, knew the location, and trusted their child with the responsibility.
I just read the story of James Bulger. Not for the weak hearted.
Not agreeing children cant be left unattended ever, but shit happens.
TLDR: he was abducted, his mom was within ten feet.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:09:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's a bit of an extreme example. They deliberately scoped out a kid and waited until her back was turned. Being kids themselves, no one questioned a 10 year old kid walking around with a toddler holding his hand. There were a lot of factors at play, and there wasn't much that could have been done to prevent this.
Kids die on playground equipment too. Doesn't mean we need to ban playgrounds.
Statistically, your child is safer with a stranger than they are a family friend. The last time I found a lost child I was picked him up and carried him like one of my own until I found the (by this point incredibly relieved) mother. The scary thing is, no one ever looked twice or questioned me. The good news is that the vast majority of people are not out to kidnap small children.
jhn107 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was banned from a group for saying that statistically speaking a teacher is much more likely to rape your child than a stranger. Each year, roughly 750 teachers are convicted of sexual assault. There are only 100-125 stranger abductions a year.
Surveys show that approximately 10% of students are sexually assaulted before they graduate from high school. And in 75% of the cases the abuser was female.
UK kid about twenty years ago, abducted by 2 boys that were 10-11. They tortured and murdered him. He was like 2 years old and it was a completely random abduction
Wasn't there also a witness to that incident who said that the mother only looked away for a second and the kid had already crawled out of reach? If this is actually true I'm really not sure why I'm seeing so many people criticising her so badly.
SosX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that case, the kid knew exactly where the gorillas were and probably wanted to be near, I doubt a kid even knows what a pedophile is.
My dad used to make me go to the counter so he didn't have to do it. I think he was hoping I'd get kidnapped.
FourO40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the Southpark episode where the parents get to the point where they cant even trust themselves around their kids so they leave them with a bunch of Mongolians.
Skwr09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As your 201st upvote, I feel as if I am personally responsible for avenging you.
There was a thread in /r/apple where OP asked if there was any way to block ads in the Spotify iOS app without jailbreaking. Everyone said no, except for me. I gave three methods that work perfectly, one of which is free, and got downvoted.
It is entirely possible corporate fogies downvote things that they see as threatening. I'm not saying it is the case, and it definitely shouldn't be, but reddit is pretty big news now.
I gave proof in my original reply in that comment, but ...
Local proxy running on a system you control, such as Privoxy. Free. This is what I used before Safari Content Blockers came out.
Weblock (One objection I saw was someone ignorantly claiming this routes your data through someone else's server. This is incorrect; it uses Proxy auto-config to selectively route ad requests elsewhere. You can verify this by downloading the PAC file to your system using the URL they give you. IIRC, they route all ad requests to 8.8.8.8, which is Google's DNS server. Non-ads are direct.) $2.
Ad-blocking VPN. Variable cost, but Opera has a free one. This will route your data through someone else's servers, so be careful.
These methods will block not only Spotify ads, but any ad inside an app. There is a catch, though, which is that the first two only work on WiFi. I still think it's far better than the "you can't do it lol" wrong answers that were upvoted in the topic. The VPN works everywhere. And I suppose you could actually create your own VPN for this purpose.
Username checks out, LOL. Basically: "I went to something called the Donner Party. They ran out of food and people started eating each other." The reference was just too obscure for the crowd I guess,
nyxnars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A woman was complaining about Sephora and everyone was downvoting her into oblivion so I posted a reply that, regardless of whether people agree, she should have the right to post an opinion on makeup in a makeup subreddit. I'm at -24 and counting.
On this site, if you don't believe with the hive mind about how makeup should work, you're downvoted past oblivion and straight into skyrim. I'm in a subreddit about a YouTube channel and every few months to few weeks there's another post about the girl member of the channel, criticizing her makeup. Recently, the girl herself came to the subreddit and took the "advise" to heart, and started doing her makeup the way they were telling her to. And, boy, does it look fucking stupid on her. It might have looked okay if her face was different, (and she already had a style that worked with her features) but this new style looks so stupid on her and I'm glad she's slowly easing back to her old way of doing her makeup. Of course, she isn't the most liked by the subreddit, so there's gonna be so much circlejerking of "OMG she said she'd take our advise, what happened?" Arg...
nyxnars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My comment actually included "hivemind" in it and boy, do people NOT like being told that they're mindless sheep. LOL
I feel like they are even worse because most Tesla fanboys have very little experience with cars in general, while Apple fanboys at least probably have used Android/Windows. There's plenty of posts that talk about how luxurious Teslas are. I've actually sat in a Mercedes S-Class and a Tesla and the Merc was nicer by far, like not even a close comparison. Yet if you write about how Tesla's build quality is definitely poor compared to Mercedes, Porsche, or any other luxury brand, you'll get shit on. Also people talk as if Teslas are the fastest cars around but that's not true either. They're the fastest in a straight line but on a track they get obliterated for the money you spend. They're simply not performance cars, especially when 25 year old cars with stock engines are faster.
Compare the time between the Tesla and the Miata. Tesla is 12 seconds slower, and the Miata has 1/5 the horsepower.
Nurburgring is open to anybody, so a lot of amateurs drive on it. Both videos are of amateur drivers, there's another video of the test driver for Koenigsegg getting a 7:58 on his own Miata.
edit: To clarify, that was the fastest Tesla lap time I could find, but not the fastest Miata time
I've actually sat in a Mercedes S-Class and a Tesla and the Merc was nicer by far,
I haven't ever been in a Tesla so I can't compare directly but I have been in a high end Audi and every car since has been compared to that car. I didn't even know cars could be that smooth, that quiet and that comfortable.
I checked out the frame of a display Tesla, and the first thing that glared at me was the welds. They were fucking awful. Porosity, spatter everywhere, pinholes, cold lap.
Yup. I'm an apple "fanboy" and have used androids all my life. My rich best friend gave me her iPhone 6 as she got two for Christmas... Just over a year later, after the warranty ran out, I broke it :( it converted me to Apple though, and I am currently saving hard to buy an iphone 5.
moparr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow does it really do an 8:50 on the Ring? I get that it's not a pro driver but that isn't very quick. I remember t being a big deal when the 2008 CTS-V did a sub 8 minute lap. And just about every performance sedan since has been quicker. I always find it funny how people praise the Tesla for being so fast in a drag race, but if any other car was that kind of a one trick pony, it would be obliterated in comparison tests.
Shit, all the comments in that video are about how good of a lap it was. For those who don't know, any performance car should be able to get around that track in under 8 minutes. Some can do it in under 7.
I've sat in Merc S, audi, bmw, tesla and driven them all. Honestly, the tesla is the worse in comfort out of all of them. Whilst the tesla is amazingly fast at the beginning, if you've ever floored it all the way down, you feel like the car is about to spin off the road.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id say they're likea combo of apple and android fanboys. Apple fanboys are fanatical about anything apple releases, regardless of its functionality. Android fanboys will ruthlessly attack anyone who says anything other than "androids are the best phones ever" or even slightly defends apple.
Hobash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only more self-righteous
DTGG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The similarity is definitely there. It's kind of sad how some people think they're part of an elite or a cool group and are in reality just victims of great marketing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tesla fanboys are probably worse. Worshipping Elon Musk (even after he says retarded stuff like his freshman-in-their-first-philosophy-class babble about all of us living in a computer game), not admitting any problem with Tesla willingly (like their reliability over time being so spotty Consumer Reports has downgraded the Model S to "not recommended"), etc.
Apple may be overpriced and not much of an innovator anymore, but they don't have serious technical problems with their products nor are they promising the moon and the stars before they've gotten off the Earth nor are they offering pre-orders for products that don't even have final prototypes yet. Etc.
That's true, but BMW's bread and butter is the 3 series. The cheapest one is around 33k, while the 328i, which I believe is their most common model, is at 35k. Their cheapest crossovers ones are around 35 - 40k. When people think of BMW they might think of M3, M5, 7 series, but most of their sales do consist of their less expensive products. This is all for US market.
Hmm I guess I didn't realize the new 3 series started so inexpensive. My buddy just took his 2010 3 series into the shop and got a diesel 5 series loaner. Just for curiosity sake he wanted to know the price and they told him slightly over 60k.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was looking through my comment history after I saw this post. The theme seems to be that if I say something stupid and obvious, I get tons of upvotes. If I ask a genuine question or try to answer for someone I get a bunch of downvotes. I don't understand Reddit.
naszoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Die Deustcheauto ist sehr gut!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw people talking about Emma Watson being in the Panama Papers. I first posted "I heard she wanted privacy, not to evade taxes." I got upvoted for that, but when after the guy I responded to called me gullible, I posted a link to a very informative article from Independent and said see for yourself. That got downvoted. That. Why? Was I somehow incredibly rude? I don't think so. Apparently these people don't like citations backing up claims.
[deleted] ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 16:25:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've definitely had times when someone asked for a source, I gave them a source, and then I got downvoted. What? Why?
Because most people who ask for a source dont really want one. They want to prove you are BSing. When you provide a source they feel insulted since they were wrong. This leads to downvoting.
jhn107 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's part of the standard sequence --
Downvoter: There isn't a single source to back that up.
OP: Here's my source
Downvoter: You can't use that as a source. It's been debunked.
OP: Where's the source that debunks it?
Downvoter: So you don't have a source for your opinion after all
[deleted] ยท 375 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason for this is because your comment was getting upvoted, and people tend to upvote upvoted comments. The person you replied to downvoted your second comment. Other people browse the thread and see your comment downvoted, so they downvote it more. It is a chain reaction.
Yeah it pisses me off when people post comments smearing peoples reputations or claiming so and so without a source, I get down voted for asking for a source.. I wasn't even disputing if what they said was true or not, I just wanted to know why they thought that way and if they had more context/proof.
jhn107 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:55:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Happens to me too. I thought it was because redditors don't like source documents.
I upvote downvoted comments when I feel like they don't deserve the downvotes
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same. that is the reddit equivalency of picking up litter off the sidewalk and throwing it in the garbage.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:21:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've tested this quite a bit. I've started various accounts to upvote or downvote some of my posts and looked at the results. It is crazy what the hive mind is capable of.
That's why often times if I see a post with 0 I upvote it back to 1 to make sure it gets a fair chance and doesn't just go negative because the person who it was in response to didn't like it.
winch25 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People will downvote a relevant and well made point if they don't like it, or disagree with it.
chabaz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember this! I saw your post at -7 so did my part to up vote but the masses of the mundane just followed the hate bandwagon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People seem to find it hard to believe that someone would not want all of their personal earnings and property being a matter of public register...
WJPJR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Reddit. The more truth and reasoning you use, the more down votes you get.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw people talking about Emma Watson being in the Panama Papers. I first posted "I heard she wanted privacy, not to evade taxes." I got upvoted for that, but when after the guy I responded to called me gullible, I posted a link to a very informative article from Independent and said see for yourself. That got downvoted. That. Why? Was I somehow incredibly rude? I don't think so. Apparently these people don't like citations backing up claims.
Not saying it's fair, but the Independent is not seen as a credible news source. And Emma Watson is obviously full of shit. She lies a lot. She's extremely dishonest. That shit about protecting her privacy is dog crap. She's been trying to avoid paying taxes, while telling everybody about equality, and do your part. Fuck that dishonest whore.
[deleted] ยท 903 points ยท Posted at 15:16:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm stuck in am upvote/downvote quandary due to, say, someone presenting multiple points, some I agree with and some I don't, I just ignore in most cases.
I agree. I mean, I was a toddler for 18 years straight. Couldn't even speak or walk properly. But as soon as my 18th birthday came, the clock struck 12:01 and I was a full grown 6'7 adult!
Typically high schoolers have an inflated sense of their own competence, which makes them seem very immature. Many think they are invincible, extremely intelligent, and can basically do anything (or any mixture of the three), without really doing any of the things they believe themselves to be capable of.
It isn't that they don't have the potential to be regarded as a mature adult, it's just that most don't have the experience or knowledge one would typically find in a mature adult, hence act and seem immature. Once high school kids go off to college and/or get a job they take on more responsibility and are viewed much more maturely.
I'm 15 and I completely agree with this. I don't feel I am in any way an adult yet; sure, I can take care of myself and have a job, got myself into a good sixth form (UK), but I definitely don't have the experience or knowledge necessary to be regarded as an adult.
Every one of us thinks that they're a genius, some untapped talent with everything to accomplish. I try not to think like this, although its tough sometimes, but everyone grades 9-12 indulges in this fantasy.
I'm 25 and work with a 17 year old. He's a good kid but he has no idea what I'm talking about half the time when I start dropping references to things I grew up with.
Highschool students are children. Even the 18 year olds are a child
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're basically a kid until you hit that point where the person primarily responsible for keeping you fed, clothed, housed, and up-to-date on your dental appointments is you. Even then it can take a while to get into the groove.
Why are so many female teachers "falling in love" with their students?? I mean, I guess I get it from a psychological standpoint, they are fucked up and immature themselves and whatnot but omg gross. That one that was having sex with a 13 year old boy like every day? Ugh.
I also teach high school. They have little self control (outbursts during class), whine a lot ("why do we have to do work today miss?"), and I reward them with stickers and candy. And they fucking love it.
Big ass toddlers. I love them though. They let me tousle their hair and call them my babies.
You didnt get downvoted for saying you wouldnt have sex w a highschooler, you got downvoted for comparing highschoolers to toddlers on a site thats at least 1/3 under 18.
Those were the teen votes for sure. They don't like being reminded that they are still children. And let's face it, dating one is as gross as dating a toddler. Ew.
When I was first learning how to drive, I remember an older lady telling me how as she got older, 16 year olds look so young that she's shocked to see these children behind the wheel. I was a little offended but understood it was a perspective thing. I don't see a problem with high schoolers banging other high schoolers (and they should be safe about it because the public education system should not fail them on this regard), but i do think that a 30, 40, and 50 year old should never reach below 18 even if it is legal.
Velix32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you think about the average age of a redditor it makes sense. Most redditors are young adults and comparing them to a toddler isn't the nicest way you could have put it.
i said to a kid attending a weekly event at my job (think pub video game night) something along the lines of "you look like all the other 12 year olds here"
to which he responded with a very offended tone, "excuse you, I am 13, not 12."
ok kid but you're still acting like a little shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally get what you say. I used to be a teacher in a French high school (students between 15 and 18 y-o). So physically speaking some still looked like children but some (especially girls) looked like adults. I had 16 y-o girls in my classes that looked like they could be 21+ (body + clothes + make-up); if I had met them outside of school I would have been completely fooled.
However, as soon as you talked to them you knew that they were only teenagers. Some were simply childish, but even those who were normal or mature, you immediately understood that they were not adults just by the way they talked.
So, even without the legal aspect, I would never have sex with a high schooler because they're like from another planet. I'm only 27 but talking to them made me feel so old and different.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:40:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't really the point. The point is that to an older adult, the difference between a mature high schooler and an immature high schooler is very small. It is more often than not immediately apparent not because they don't conduct themselves appropriately, but because of countless other social and behavioral cues.
To older people, high school aged people are closer to children than to adults they want to have sexual and emotional relationships with. That is not to suggest that high school aged people aren't capable of maturity, complex thoughts, being interesting etc, just that they don't really pop out as candidates for sex/romance.
o11c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you can make a top-level answer in this thread now ...
[deleted] ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 14:44:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:11:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/baseball is awful when it comes to downvotes. Kevin Pillar made another amazing diving catch recently and I commented "He wouldn't have to dive if he hustled more" sarcastically. I didn't add the /s because fuck the /s.
ersal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that thread. You were probably downvoted because there was someone in that thread seriously arguing that Pillar just makes "TV catches" as in slows down a bit and times it so he has to jump. Lots of people were arguing and downvoting to oblivion.
That sub is a disaster. Everyone is way too serious and they all think they are junior-level GMs. I don't think most of them even enjoy baseball anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them are way into stats. I'm a Mariners fan so I can only speak for those game threads but those are actually pretty fun. And it's hard to enjoy when someone breaks down every statistical aspect of a pitcher or hitter. I mostly go there for news or a post about a moonshot or a nasty curve ball.
FourO40 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that argument even makes sense.
Isn't diving like. The ultimate form of hustling. Or atleast a form of hustle.
The joke is that if he ran faster he wouldn't have to dive at the end. But he was being sarcastic because obviously he was hustling the maximum amount.
I agree! The problem I have with the sports world is that it's popular to be on the east and west coast while the "Middle" gets caught in the shit. Yeah, I get that an ocean is fucking cool but like look at other places and spread the wealth. Also, NYC is old, dirty, and cold af, why do you want to be there?
Because of population distribution maps like this. Almost 50% of the US population lives within 50-100 miles of the coast. If you're looking to make money, which is what every business (including sports teams) is about, you want to hit as many fans as you can. That means targeting the east and west coasts as much as possible, because then you can target the most people for the fewest advertising dollars.
I understand that and it makes sense strategically from a business standpoint. I completely agree. I would still like to think that you can spread the wealth by putting it in highly populated areas in the middle too. It would just be nice to see a change of pace, change it up, make it more interesting. That's really the point I am getting at.
Sidenote: Funny how the thread is asking about unreasonably downvoted comments and mine was downvoted for an opinion. whatevs. Maybe i curse too much.
I called out a group of redditors (on r/sex I think) and said an 11 year old dating a 21 year old is pedophilia. Then they started doing ccomments about "age doesn't matter".
[deleted] ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 18:36:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm nearly 20 and I could never date a 14 year old or even consider it, not only because it's morally wrong and they're children but also because my brother is 14 and his friends are the biggest set of divs I've ever met.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:51:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope not legal where I come from, you'd get charged with child grooming. Basically not sleeping with a child but getting yourself in a position to do so with plausible intent
ibbity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:42:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's easier to manipulate someone that young. Creepers who "date" children like the fact that kids are used to doing what adults tell them. They use that to get the child to do things and accept treatment that a person would not generally put up with who was old enough to have learned some independence and know what is and isn't normal in a relationship.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He means one 11, another 13 or 14
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're desperate. Only reason. Personally, I don't want to date anybody who's much more than a year or 2 younger than me because they usually appear immature.
There's a not inconsiderable number of pedophilia/jailbait apologists on Reddit. The admins may have cracked down on the official subreddits devoted to that kind of thing, but the users didn't all go away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can get something like 13 or maybe even 14
14 getting a little too old for you?
EDIT:Oooooh. Read a little further, I'm picking up what you're laying down
I've always wondered about those movies where there's an extreme age difference. Like if a 16-year-old was frozen for 200 years so is technically 216, but still "16" or a clone who pops out as a "20-year-old" can smash another adult dispite the clo e actually being like a week old.
Malaix ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:54:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well in those cases I would go by how mentally old they are. As in, the person who was frozen for 200 years at 16 years old would be essentially 16, they havent aged, they havent experienced or learned what we would consider enough to be an adult despite being ancient. Same thing for the clone depending on if the clone has a blank slate mind. If thats the case its an infant in an adult body, and clearly dosnt have the mental capability to consent and is very vulnerable to manipulation and so on.
That was one of (among about a thousand other things) that made Twilight so creepy. Biologically, yeah, the guy and the girl are both 16, but because he's immortal, he was actually like 120 or something. Dude, ew.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:31:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically it's not pedophila. Fun fact, it's classified as pedophillia if the child is 10 or younger. Anything older gets a new word like hebephilia (11-14) and ephebophillia (15-19).
Congrats you are now an expert in classifying child diddlers.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:24:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's either deep in my archives or from my anon account (r/sex typically isn't the place you want people finding out some more "personal" info about you); either way, it's a lot of effort to try to find.
I used to think age doesn't matter-- was 13 years old and totally smitten with a 24 year old guy I had met on World of Warcraft. It genuinely never occurred to me that video games were about the only thing we had in common, and that he was probably just humoring me because he knew I was a lonely teenager.
He's married now, but we're still friends-- I Skype in to a DnD game he runs at his shop every other week and we swap anecdotes about new games we've discovered since quitting WoW.
Haven't confirmed if he was just humoring me or if there was a genuine attraction. I'd rather just tell myself he was being nice.
Ironically, I ran into a High School guy on Elder Scrolls Online who seemed to have a budding crush on me-- or my character; who knows. I told him straight up that we were only friends and would only ever be friends.
My opinion on this issue differs by what is meant by "children's books". Like, absolutely I don't think we should see Emily raping, torturing, and then finally killing Clifford the Big Red Dog.
[deleted] ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 20:33:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a discussion about harry potter. People were talking about what could have happened to Dolores Umbridge when she was taken by the centaurs. People said that she was probably raped by them, but then others said that rape has no place in a children's book. I pointed out that people allow torture and murder to be in a "children's book" but draw the line at rape? Harry Potter isn't a children's book, it is rather graphic.
Haha, I think this might have been me. My stance was it was probably a bit far to have Umbridge raped simply because it would cast the heroes in a very different moral light if they sent off a woman to be raped and laughed about it though, not that it was too far for a kid's book.
Granted, they were kids and they may not have realized the centaurs would have done that. Even Hermione, who would have researched them, could have been mistaken due to say, language that used euphemisms and such regarding that topic.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:39:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Violence is a pretty universal concept and is unavoidable for even young kids. Everyone is exposed to some form of it from a very young age, whether it's watching your cat kill a mouse or the neighbor kid throwing a rock at you. You are taught from a young age that violence is absolutely wrong unless as a last resort, and in the movies it is universally accompanied by the recipient visibly suffering. There is very little consequence to a child associating violence with suffering.
There is, however, a potentially confusing and harmful side effect of a child associating sex with violence, which is what rape is. My kid is going to see some violence in his formative years, and I'm okay with that, because I hope my kid will go on to lead a life relatively free of violence. But I absolutely do not want a rape scenario to be among his first exposures to the concept of sex. I want him to think of sex as sex, which is an enjoyable and passionate act. When he's old enough and mature enough to work out the intricacies of rape as a form of violence without it coloring his idea of everything sexual, then I'll be okay with him being exposed to it in literature.
I get that it's really easy to say "you'll let your kid watch movies where people get shot but god forbid they see a tit." But it's a little bit more nuanced than that.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's also a difference between boobs on the screen and a rape scene but okay.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember the full detail but it wasn't coming from just harry potter, people were sourcing other things about centaurs in general.
ClF3FTW ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:53:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How exactly is Harry Potter a kids book? At least a quarter of the main characters get murdered in one book.
Why does death make something inappropriate for children? Death is a reality of life. Children live in the real world. Those themes are absolutely appropriate for children assuming they're handled in the right way, which is the case for Harry Potter. It's definitely 'for children', but that doesn't mean it doesn't include complex themes which resonate with adults.
Avatar: The Last Airbender deals with child soldiers, extreme nationalism and genocide. Are those themes suitable for children?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yes, absolutely. Lots of family members thought my parents were wrong to let me attend my grandmother's funeral, but I don't think they were. I got to say goodbye, unlike with my grandfather who died in hospital and who I never saw between the last visit and his death (I didn't attend his funeral). Death is sad, but children can cope with death. You just have to deal with these things in the appropriate way.
Not that I disagree with you, I just agree with the guy on what defines HP as a children's book. When I think of a children's book, I think Dr. Seuss style books. I'd say that HP is catered towards young adult rather than children.
I suppose it depends on what you define as a child, but even so Harry Potter is explicitly for children. It was published for children, and its content did get a bit darker to reflect the fact that its target audience grew up as it was being completed... but I'd say that 'young adult' is 16+, whereas HP is clearly intended to be from about 10 - 17. It's fun for everyone, but a broad appeal doesn't mean it isn't still a children's series. Or that it isn't good, or literature, or whatever other negative connotations being 'for children' might have.
It depends on which book. In my opinion the books work best when you age with them. HP1 is certainly a kid's book at least. Try giving your kid one a year and see how they feel about it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm saying :l
ClF3FTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so why did they say rape was not allowed in it?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ClF3FTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's because the characters who are 'good' are the ones who basically cause it to happen. It'd be a bit different if it was Voldemort or one of the more grey characters, like Snape. She might have been awful but it almost portrays it as deserved. These are the same good guys who refuse to use violent spells and insist on Disarming rather than killing.
Harry Potter is a kid's book that adults also enjoy.
I don't have a problem with violence and torture in a kid's book so long as it's not gratuitous. I was a prolific reader and stories like those from The Grimm Brothers had murder and torture galore yet are for children. Characters can 'deserve' to be killed and tortured and the innocents are collateral damage. But rape is immoral and inexcusable. And it leads to confusion about sexuality if it's casually excused. And really unnecessary in a children's book.
I really hope that Umbridge wasn't raped. You see people taking satisfaction in her 'punishment'.
But, I mean, it wasn't directly stated. Older audiences would assume that (and would maybe be right. I read a thread like this and someone said that it was apparently a part of centaur mythology) but children would think she got beaten up. Plus there's a lot of fucked up children's books. Most things just fly right past their heads and then as adults, you have that "Ohhh" moment.
Is it wrong that i feel like they should all be allowed? When i was a kid i had a book with the original fairy tails (the fucked up ones) and it never bothered me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes, it is wrong.
Dvolt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Isn't every book a children's book if the child can read?"
I am proving a point. stories containing murder and torture are not supposed to be read by children! What is so hard to understand????
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The only thing you're proving is that you're retarded? Im pretty sure
-some idiot-
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I am proving a point. stories containing murder and torture are not supposed to be read by children! What is so hard to understand????
-me. completely reasonable, no?-
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You are getting all dowvoted but I agree with you man, this is fucking dark sometimes, why can't it have rape too?
I'm not saying I believe the theory, I'm just saying it could and it wouldn't be unreasonable.
-A fellow rational human being who also got downvoted to hell.-
I remember, yeah that was the thread I was thinking. I agreed with your overall point but thought you didn't present it very well, and also thought you were responding like an immature asshole.
Your first comment was super sarcastic, already making people less inclined to listen.
Then, completely unprovoked, you responded to someone with:
because its fucking true and we don't care about karma so we're not afraid to go against your retarded circlejerk.
Like damn chill the fuck out. I agreed with you but I also definitely disliked you there. You continued on with the insults after that, but in your defense (and this is a super weak defense since you started it) people were insulting you right back.
There are much more important things in a debate/argument than being correct at the start.
SosX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember you, I said you were right, and got dowvoted too.
But seriously, I'm a pretty big LotR nerd and would only have a problem if she hated it down to her cold, steely heart because at that point we will probably have greater issues to worry about.
I'm pretty much the same. If they at least accept and tolerate that the books/movies/random stuff on the internet will take up at least 50% of my time, that's fine. But if they can't, no. No me for you.
ftgbhs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always feel like I have to tread cautiously when I'm on a date and the girl says she loves something I really dislike. Like, how do I share my honest opinion without coming across as a dick?
Yet, girls with bad tastes in entertainment also seem to be pretty insecure, so I guess it balances itself out.
I'm ok with someone that doesn't love it but even my female friends told me my ex saying she hated LotR (and had never seen star wars) should have been a sign not to date her.
It's because he was lukewarm about it. People only respond well to radical viewpoints on here because they're easier to argue/agree with.
Pishwi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:13:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they thought he was being too kind on it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like Fallout. In general. If I posted that, I would get downvoted, but posting I don't like Fallout 4, a game that sold well and got great reviews, is upvote material?
It's because you didn't say you absolutely hated it and that Bethesda destroyed the meaning of the rp in rpg and that the fallout series is officially dead
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:36:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I look at it this way.
Fallout 4 was a good RPG game, but it was a terrible Fallout game
That's a good way to look at it, honestly. I think the game had a great story. It was beautifully done, touching. It was heartwrenching, honestly. It had the Fallout Touches to it--with the terminals, the teddy bears reading newspapers on toilets, ect--but it lacked the atmosphere. The sarcastic dialogue option was fun 99% of the time, though I hated that doing it on a replay made my last words to a guy I knew was gonna die a serious asshole thing to say.
And I wasn't too mad about the lack of choices because I've never attempted an "evil" run. I was basically going to play it how they railroaded (pun?) players into playing it. I was their ideal player.
Of course it's long as fuck, and I don't expect you to watch it, but he thoroughly explains issues with the story and the environment. It's just classic Bethesda writing in the end.
What he voices a lot of issues with, is the consistency of logic to any of the actions the game just expects you to do.
E.g. how the game just expects you to know who's the bad guy and good guy, even after you've been frozen for 200 years. You're not even allowed to question any of this, the game just expects you to go with the flow.
Edit: A lot of the games progress in plot revolves around impossible details. The only thing you know of the kidnapper, is he is bald and scarred. You don't know how long ago it was nor if he's even alive anymore. Yet Nick Valentines secret lead to Kelogg is based off of the description "he's bald and has a scar over his eye". They both are determined it is the correct kidnapper and yes, they were right. This made no sense and quite frankly is lazy writing.
To be fair Kellogg recently lived in Diamond City, and Nick even says that he had been investigating him beforehand. Like, Nick was literally only investigating Kellogg a few weeks ago, and then a cryogenically frozen guy comes to see him and says "This guy who looks like a guy you were investigating stole my infant son." Well, he was cryogenically frozen, and Kellogg had a ten year old kid with him....... It's reasonably far-fetched but not impossible. I agree with you in general though.
Yes, but the fact that it was 60 years since the kidnapping is irrelevant because of the cryogenic storage. The sequence of events fits nicely and logically to the Sole Survivor whose subjective experience is that A) the world ended B) his wife died and his son got kidnapped C) he woke up in the future over the course of a normal Tuesday morning. It's literally all happened in less than a day for him.
Some guy kidnaps my son from cryo storage
An undefined amount of time later I wake up to find it's been 210 years since the world ended
I find a private detective who recognises one of the kidnappers based on my description, he has a kid with him (could be Shaun, could just be another kid)
I was in cryo storage for 210 years; it's reasonable to assume that Shaun could have been kidnapped and I awoken decades apart, but obviously I am hoping it's only been a few hours/days/weeks (or even 10 years would be okay)
Factor in the low population density of the Commonwealth, the reasonably small area Kellogg has been active in for sixty years, the fact that Shaun wanted the Sole Survivor to find him, and you've got a perfect storm. There are only three major factions in the Commonwealth pre-BoS arriving, and only the Institute would have kidnapped a baby from cryo... and it's a reasonable assumption for Nick to make that Kellogg works for the Institute, given the stories surrounding him.
Also the objection of "just meant to let the story keep running" isn't a valid criticism IMO. Of course the details of the story are meant to let the story keep running. That's the point of the details of the story.
but the fact that it was 60 years since the kidnapping is irrelevant because of the cryogenic storage.
It's not irrelevant. Your son got kidnapped 60 years ago, the world changes drastically in 60 years. 60 years ago, WW2 had just ended to put it a bit in perspective. He might not even be alive for all you know or even be in The Commonwealth. Yet a vague description such as "a bald guy with a scar" is what leads you directly to a 60 year old kidnapping? Not any further investigation or even slight uncertainty to whether or not he is the kidnapper?
You can't see the issue with this as a logical solution to the plot?
I would also not rely on how many people are inside the cities to tell how many citizen live there, the lore and gameplay numbers are completely different numbers. This is a classic issue from any Fallout game. New Vegas had the same issue, where it was supposed to represent several thousands, but it only got off with a few hundred.
I will take your argument for it not being a valid criticism to account though. I will rephrase it to "just meant to let the story keep running with no concerns for suspension of disbelief or reason within the confines of the universe".
It's not just this that is an issue. It's also the entire idea behind the kidnapping of Shaun: he was kidnapped because he had not been exposed to the radiation of the Great War. Alright.
But why didn't they go to the other close off Vault? Or killed the mother? Or unfreeze the rest of the cryogenic frozen dwellers?
Or how in the memorials of Kelogg, he refers to the guy who orders him to kidnap Shaun as "the Father" and he asks himself if he outsmarted him in the end. So Kellogg is taking orders from non-grownup Shaun here... or is he referring to a second Father? This makes no sense either, as The Father is only called as such, because he is the DNA-father to all Synths. Here's a plothole in the timeline too.
Whether or not you want to defend Bethesda's writing is up to you, but it's clear they have had limited concerns for suspension of disbelief or even just a logical plot.
Kellogg has been active in the Commonwealth for at least 60 years. Probably more because he was already working for the Institute 60 years ago, and he didn't get there by being an unknown quantity. He has a specific MO, which Nick knows about, and a distinctive appearance.
I'm actually going off the lore here, not the in game representation of the Commonwealth. Population density is going to be lower than it is RL today. It's going to be lower than it was the day the bombs dropped. Population density isn't going to have skyrocketed in the time since either, because of the sharp increase in levels of risk everywhere. Infection, childbirth, raiders, crazy irradiated monsters... My point is that in the Commonwealth we're dealing with a much smaller population. There's a guy who's been active for the last 60 years doing all sorts of twisted, crazy shit for an employer reasonably assumed to be the Institute. He looks like the guy who kidnapped your son, and this guy could have done this literally any time in the last 210 years. But probably in the last 60 years given what Nick is implied to know about him. It's a lead worth following even if it is tenuous because it's the only lead the SS has.
I do agree that there could have been a bit more searching, but it isn't a completely illogical series of events. It's improbable, but plotlines of games/stories/films generally don't conform to the most plausible sequence of events. It's regrettable that Bethesda decided to streamline the process of finding Kellogg/his identity though.
They wanted Shaun because he was the closest thing available to a pre-war newborn baby. That's important because he wouldn't have accumulated a bunch of mutations/DNA damage over the course of a normal lifetime (like any of the adults in the Vault), and because being inside a Vault and then inside a cryopod means that he was even further insulated from any alterations to his DNA. He was as close to a perfect genetic sample as possible. It's stated in game that even people living in Vaults and in the Institute were unsuitable for this purpose, that's why Vault 111 was a great find for them. Kellogg says he killed the non-player parent because it was 'better that way', so they didn't have to live with the loss of their child (and he had orders to let the SS live to serve as a back up just in case).
Killing the people in storage was just a dick move made by the previous Director I guess, no less dickish than kidnapping people to turn them into super mutants to research FEV.
and he had orders to let the SS live to serve as a back up just in case
and there the entire plot falls apart. Even Kelogg was unsure of why not to take the rest, he says so ingame.
There was no specific reason to pick the baby, it just had to not have been exposed to the radiation of The Great War, which all of the cryogenically frozen dwellers were not.
Eh, it's not the greatest story of all time, I'll admit it. What I like about the story:
Compared to Fallout New Vegas (everyone's comparison point for this game) the story has a much more logical start point. NV only works if your character is motivated by a strong sense of revenge and curiosity that overwhelms their sense of self-preservation. That took out some roleplaying choices for me. (I had no problem with 3s starting point, and I struggle to get my computer to run 2, so I've only played three minutes or so.)
The companions were all carefully hand-picked to be like your player character. None of these guys fit in, and most, if not all, are straight-up ostracized by basically everyone. It's the Merry Band of Misfits.
So the story has always made emotional sense to me, which has motivated me to raise the "yup, I'll suspend my disbelief for that" flag. It's fine that you weren't.
NV only works if your character is motivated by a strong sense of revenge and curiosity that overwhelms their sense of self-preservation.
That's both the strong and weak point of NV's story. It allowed for your character to simply not care about the mainstory, but it didn't make much room for different emotional reasons to follow Benny.
As for FO4 at least, I just didn't get any emotional relation to the protagonists family and their deaths, because I had seen them for a good five minutes at most, and the fact that I knew we were jumping ahead in time and space would leave little reason for me, as the player, to believe your son was still around.
How was it a good RPG either? It was a terrible Fallout game and bad RPG. It was a good wasteland shoot-n-loot though, more like Borderlands than classic Fallout.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. It was a good RPG in my book. I liked its once it was my first fallout. Went back and played the others
Well, it was hardly even an RPG in the first place, since it didn't allow for roleplaying.
I'm being extremely unreasonable, but Fallout 4 was not a good RPG in any sense.
Just compare the choices you have with New Vegas, hell even Fallout 3, which had problems with choices itself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah 3 and New Vegas were Waaaay better, but I mean I still enjoyed FO4, I feel like I got my money's worth, and especially with the DLC That's out right now
Bozzz1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a terrible RPG game though, there was little to no role playing to be had. It was a good action shooter but they went in the opposite direction of the RPG genre for this one.
I had the opposite thing, in r/gaming I said that I enjoyed Fallout 4 and thought it was a good RPG. Got downvoted significantly and repeatedly told that "it isn't an RPG, it's an action game". That's pretty much what drove me to r/gamingcirclejerk.
XEV4NX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll explain why I personally think its a bad RPG but not necessarily a bad game.
Most of the speech options have no real meaning. They're short snippets that tell you what type of thing your guy is going to say, which is counter-intuitive to a roleplay experience. It pretty much forces the player down the path that the game has chosen since most speech options lead to the same outcome.
In previous FOs, you could do bad shit for the fun of doing bad shit and have your character be completely open about being an asshole. In FO4 your character pretty much always believes he's doing the right thing, which makes the SS feel boring and unrealistic.
In NV especially, you decided who your character was, you decided their background, what their personality was and who they were as a person, this added massive replay value. In FO4 the game has already decided all that for you and tells you to continue the story, not start your own.
Reminds me when I said I didn't care for Witcher 3 with my opinion on certain aspects of the game. Nope, people seriously love that game and don't like people with opinions.
On the topic of F4. On the /r/fallout subreddit I was downvoted for making a joke about bows being loud. I wasn't wrong but I had the fucking audacity to not mention bow silencers.
Similar thing happened to me. Got a bunch of downvotes for saying something like, "I'm happy I played I, but I don't think I'll ever play it again because I was bored by the end of it."
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that ~ November through January was karma suicide, but the tide pretty much turned against FO4 for the most part
On an old account I mentioned in a thread that I I didn't enjoy There Will Be Blood but recognized it as a good movie. Within the pile of down down votes was one user so offended that he harassed me a few times and went through my post history to down vote everything I ever posted because my "opinion was invalid". I felt safer to just make a new account.
tcw1 ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 14:15:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In r/politics I posted something sarcastic about a county clerk in Wisconsin that said that there is too much voting access for "Milwaukee voters," but I forgot to put /s and people took me literally.
Pjman87 ยท 328 points ยท Posted at 17:29:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'd have to go back through my comments, but that particular day, reddit did NOT appreciate a joke I made about Milwaukee. Plus people there are kinda dickish on the whole, like Chicago only a smaller version. Funny thing is, I don't really mind Milwaukee. It's got a lot of good stuff worth doing, and MY GOD, the food.
666666t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lived my entire life within 20 miles of Milwaukee, often visited my cousin who lived there, so i must ask, what part of milwaukee are you talking about?
I was mostly referring to the few times I make jokes at Milwaukee's expense here on reddit. I usually get downvoted to oblivion, lol. On the whole I don't mind Milwaukee. The Mayfair and Brookfield malls are my favorites, the food is fantastic, Miller Park is a great venue, and they have a great repertory company. Great place to visit, wouldn't want to live there kinda place
In /r/gaming someone had asked a question about games at GameStop. So I told them that when I worked there, we had to take new games out of the case, put them in a sleeve and then put the case on the new game shelf. Thus keeping the opened and UNPLAYED/UNUSED game as new. That was not popular.
Why not just have a display box on the shelf and unopened boxes in your desk/storeroom? I gotta agree that if I buy a new thing, I want the seal on it. Is it a storage issue?
So we had to open at least one to put the case on the shelf. And if it's a popular game, every now and again it'll sell out of the unopened copies and we'd have to sell the one on the shelf. We weren't given extra display boxes for the shelf sadly.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at EB Games, the Australian equivalent of GameStop. When new games came out, we would open 6 (putting the unused discs in protective sleeves, then in shelves) to be displayed. So general customers could see that we were selling the game.
The rest of the 20-200 copies (depending on the popularity of the title) stayed in their shrink wrap in the back room. If someone brought a "display copy" to the counter to buy, you were supposed to go get an unopened copy from the back room, but that didn't always happen.
thedaj ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:34:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is fine, if you grasp the fact that the information given was relevant to the conversation, as that's what the up and downvote options are for. Nobody gives a fuck how you like your video games, unless the post is specifically asking how you like your video games.
I think it's a sore spot for people. I travelled to the US in 2005 for 3 months. I had saved up a few grand to buy stuff in the states. Long story short, I bought a bunch of "new" games at GameStop and shipped them back home. They were used and scratched so badly, they did not function when I got back to Africa.
Not sure if you have ever tried to call GameStop from shithole Africa, but nothing happens if you do.
This reminds me of Apple fanboys who were pissed when, upon buying one of the new iPhones, the cashier would unbox it and help them set it up. Some people take unboxing new shit very seriously.
Ran4 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:53:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because when people buy things, unless they are specifically looking for open box items, they want brand new in box, still sealed. It doesn't matter how much vouching for quality someone does, you can't prove that something didn't fuck up the product when you removed it from it's case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then again, I've had bad experiences that way. A Gamestop employee once said that the new disc for a game was more damaged than the used one...
I get that. It's a shame to blacklist a place because of that, but whatever tickles your pickle
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never bought much new stuff from Gamestop because it was cheaper other places. Besides, most of the games I'm buying these days are used or digital, so Gamestop is still getting my money sometimes.
You worked for GameStop, so obviously you are personally responsible for their corporate policy.
[deleted] ยท 317 points ยท Posted at 16:14:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I can't wait to have a glass of wine in a month". Choosing not to drink during pregnancy and breastfeeding is my decision, not an attack on yours Internet stranger. The down votes are annoying, but what's worse is the 50 comments from other mums letting me know that some drinking is okay or linking me to articles, like I'm some simpleton who has never realised that there has been articles written about this topic. I've heard of using the Internet for information before, guys. I just made this choice for myself and it isn't a judgment on you.
Wow. It's one thing if those women choose to have a drink or two while pregnant but to actively shame other women for NOT drinking while pregnant? That's just another level of infuriating.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:39:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't even call it shaming so much as it is patronising
A lot of it, IMO, is rooted in insecurity. In the '80s and '90s ladies were told that YOU CANNOT DRINK AT ALL EVEN A TINY MOUTHFUL while pregnant or breastfeeding. Like most drug-related fears in that era, it turned out to be overblown--a drink here or there is totally fine. But there's still that little voice in the back of our heads.... so they want to convince OP that having a little drink isn't bad, to reassure themselves that it isn't bad.
Good lord I know this feeling. Not for that exact reason, but it's to the point where I've outright lied to some mums about what I do with my daughter so they don't think I'm attacking their parenting somehow. Sigh.
If I could answer that I could probably make a lot of money selling books on the subject. It's probably tied to the same line of thinking that leads to people asking dads if they're "babysitting" whenever they're out with the kids.
I call it the self-righteousness of parenthood. My theory is simple and goes: If you want to be a good parent you have to believe what you're doing is best for your child. Obviously if it's best for your child, it's best for all children. Thus others are wrong and must follow your way of raising the child.
(thanks for not drinking while pregnant. I've seen so much crazy bullshit about women drinking while pregnant lately that it was making me lose faith in humanity.)
Most of my friends drank during their third trimester. To me, it's not worth the risk. I drink while breastfeeding, but reasonably. However, you do you. It sucks that other moms are so judgy. It's a constant barrage of info being a mom. It can get very annoying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you should totally disregard your doctor's advice and what you're comfortable with in favor of what some Internet strangers are telling you to do.
They must really be uncomfortable with their decisions to defend it so much without it having been attacked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I held off drinking any alcohol while pregnant also. I also drastically altered my diet to cut out sugar and junk food to make sure my baby was getting all the proper nutrition.
..until 3rd trimester where I needed canned peaches, lime juice, and fast food. That was an interesting time. Now the thought of a big mac, peaches, and lime juice as a meal makes me cringe in disgust. But at the time, it was the best thing ever. I have never actually enjoyed a meal so much that it made me giddy each time. Pregnancy hormones are strange that way.
Although there is a lot of anecdata about a drink here and there being perfectly safe, because it is not ethical to do human studies on alcohol and pregnancy, it is not known how much alcohol is damaging at what points during pregnancy. There is no known proven safe amount of alcohol during pregnancy. Not worth the risk -- you made the right choice.
I know exactly what you are talking about! For me, I'm not comfortable with the risk, but also pregnancy makes the smell and taste of alcohol unappealing. I want to enjoy a beer as I used to, and I simply can't do that in pregnancy. Much the same way as I lost my taste for chocolate. But this somehow makes me an ignorant paranoid teetotaler who is judging everyone.
Malaix ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:28:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I made a comment awhile ago that people should be worried about overusing antibiotics because misusing medicine is developing super bugs that are immune at a faster pace then we can create new medicine. And that this may make even simple surgeries quite risky in the future since cutting people open can be dangerous if you can't keep the incisions from getting infected.
Apparently there are a lot of people who think that is senseless fear mongering and that its fine to take an assload of antibiotics everytime you get a sniffle and you only take half doses of prescriptions and so on.
To be fair I didn't cite them directly and apparently people were too lazy to google this, so I stuck the direct links in the post and the votes went from something like -70 to +200 or something. It was the craziest swing in votes I'd ever seen on one of my posts. I really thought this was common knowledge and not a controversial thought at all.
Maybe I just posted it when all the conspiracy nuts were up and then all the sane people woke up later.
I once pointed out someone for lying about their autistic son. I searched through their post history and they repeatedly said they were about 16 years old. They got about 2.7 k upvoted for an insensitive lie.
o11c ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:23:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are there really? I tried to make a thread about them once and barely got any replies
[deleted] ยท 564 points ยท Posted at 15:38:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In r/Pokemon, I said Eevee doesn't need any more evolutions, it had plenty with 5.
Got like -70 something downvotes
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 252 points ยท Posted at 15:40:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There totally needs to be a dragon eeveelution!
[deleted] ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 15:44:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I kinda agree. People took it in the way I meant the first 5 were enough. I had to explain that I didn't mean which types, just the shear number for it.
The first 5 could've been dragon, poison, bug, steel, and ground, and I still would've thought it was enough.
1 eeveelution per type, though to be fair they could create a new eeveelution as soon as a new type is introduced and cover all the types to begin with
Hey now, Jolteon, Esperon, Vaporeon, Umbreon and Sylveon are all great competitive pokemon.
The other 3 are terrible though, and even though one of them is my favourite pokemon i still won't use it competitively.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Espeon and Jolteon (and to a lesser extent Vaporeon) both fell off quite a bit after Gen 6 was released. Jolteon is not as good after the rain nerfs and Espeon is outclassed by Sableye-Mega and Diancie-Mega.
Oh, really? I only played competitive up to ORAS' release, but I remember Espeon being one of my best sweepers once set up. Jolteon has always been the weakest of the "good" evolutions, though, IMO.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you use calm mind? I seem to recall Espeon only being used as a magic bounce utility with dual screens because it was outclassed by most other calm mind users.
I did, yeah. I also generally baton passed in something like dragon dance (?) to get the already good base speed really high, and put all my EVs into Sp Atk and Spd. It worked really well for a long time, not too many counters.
and voltorbs design was much better? its a pokeball, but don't worry it flips upside down when it evolves. not saying klefki was a good design, but bad designs have been around since the start
Dunno why, but voltorb is better to me. Maybe because round things are found in nature, so it seems plausible. But the keychain seems like they were just looking around the room for ideas.
Im just talking about its design, not its function. The functions can be put on literally anything else and still be one of the best supports, while not being a literal key chain.
Why is Normal immune to Ghost? Why is Dragon resistant to water? Why is Dark super effective against Ghost? Why is Steel weak to Fighting? What about the reality where Hitler cured cancer?
Why isn't water weak against poison? Water contamination is horrible for aquatic life, and water is barely weak against anything, while poison is barely super effective on anything.
Because, in European mythology (XY are set in Europe), fairies were commonly believed to slay dragons.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:52:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also get downvoted for this!
I Trynna explain that's the concept of the fairy typing design, not the cutesy fairies. The idea of the TYPE is from that mythology. The Pokemon them selves are meant to look cutesy, but not they're typing
varlz14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fairy type is supposed to be taken from Arthurian legend, where it's weak to steel, hence the steel weakness. Since dragon needed a counter, they added another fantasy type to counter it.
Probably. I said it a long time ago. I'm kind of a disease when it comes to pokemon anyway, now I just play a game from time to time and don't really worry about it.
I just wanna see a normal type Eevee with a slight resistance to everything.
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they are at 8 now, most are pretty good (for single player), I really liked using Glaceon and Leafeon in a recent Pt run, and I loved my Espeon and Umbreon in an older HGSS run
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'll agree with that. I like them no doubt, but it's always "Oh look. Another eeveelution."
I once answered an ask Reddit about food you don't like. I said something along the lines of how I dislike mushrooms because they're basically fungi that grow in poop. I thought it was a good response to the question. Apparently not, got down voted to oblivion.
I think I was in a similar thread where I said I didn't like eggs because their texture felt slimy and I wasn't a big fan of the taste. Got downvoted and people commented saying I was wrong. I thought the point of the thread was to talk about food you didn't like.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:11:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i've always been confused by how r/television is so much better than r/movies in terms of discussions and not totally shitting on other people's tastes.
In a way, it fits both industries. Television is in a position to allow a lot of experimentation whereas the mainstream film industry can't afford too many risky choices.
f00gers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally any sports subreddit. Don't agree with popular opinion? Fuck you. It's rough for me cause I'm a Rockhold fan.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:55 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted in /r/movies for saying the make up on a young actress mad her look extremely old. It wasn't blended very well and made a 26 year old playing a 16 year old look nearly in her fourties. The actress looks young. The makeup was awful. Everyone posted pictures in reply saying "she looks young enough." Guys I can Google photoshopped images of this girl myself I was saying she looked odd and too old on the FILM. you know... the thing we talk about in /r/ MOVIES.
It's the same reason you hardly see about of the several confession memes be used correctly. If you use it right you probably won't get to many upvotes
I've noticed that a lot of posters here snap to being overly contrarian just so they can get attention or be heard. Once you see it, all comment threads become annoying.
5p33di3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted an unpopular opinion of mine in a thread about unpopular opinions and it went into the negative double digits. It was a legit unpopular opinion, too, not one of those "I dislike Starbucks" opinions.
Don't ask a question you don't want to hear the answer to.
I recently gave my opinion on what I perceived to be a decline in quality of the show Person of Interest and was downvoted for it, as was every other opinion that wasn't just fawning over the show.
It's like some communities just can't handle criticism.
geeving ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people were tearing someone a new one the other day for complaining on trueoffmychest. I mean, isn't that kind of what the sub is for? If you don't want to read people bitching why the fuck are you there?
I've known some people in real life who similarly irrationally (and vehemently!) refute opinions which are contrary to their own on subjective matters.
It's one of my least favorite qualities in a person.
I once answered on a question along the lines of "What movie don't you like, which everyone else seems to love" with Amelie. Because I hate that movie. Well, most people love it and downvoted me to oblivion...
This is why I hate mentioning a food I don't like around a group of people. E.g. I fucking hate bananas, the texture, taste, smell, everything. But if i mention that with a group of people, especially if they don't know me, suddenly I get the "how can you hate bananas?!?!" Like its some impossibility to hate bananas, people have different taste buds and different shit tastes different to different people, fuck right off
I think you shouldn't wash mushrooms steht all, at least not with water or an other liquid
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they're not sponges, they won't soak up the water despite some chefs acting like they will, just like you don't see mushrooms swelling up after a rain. I think I read a FoodLab article about it with actual measurements of washed and unwashed mushrooms. Any water they do soak up would be minimal and be cooked out anyway.
Don't lots of plants grow in poop though? I think you got downvoted because your explanation of why you don't like mushrooms doesn't really make sense.
Are you young? I used to hate mushrooms, but the older I've gotten, the more I like mushrooms, even just washed, sautรฉed and salted. Same goes for onions of all varieties.
I also hate mushrooms. "Oh you just haven't eaten one that was cooked right!" No. They're just fucking gross. I imagine the texture is consistent with that of a raw stingray. Just so slick and floppy. Ugh I'm making myself sick. Mushrooms. Gross.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what your missing but I don't blame you. My wife hatted to eat mushrooms so I would but Portobello mushrooms and chop them up finely and mix it with ground beef and make lasagna. She came to love it and still doesnt like to eat them except only when I make them for her.
You should check out more savory greens, like brussel sprouts, broccoli, asparagus, artichoke, romaine lettuce, etc. Also, manner of preparation changes things a lot. A pinch of salt or a dash of Worcestershire on some grilled or griddle seared asparagus makes that shit taste like a steak. It's awesome.
Lots of mushrooms taste 'meaty' like portobellos, morels, boletes. The button mushrooms you get in supermarkets are much milder.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So good
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had so many downvotes for saying that mushrooms aren't food
But it is?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not surprising considering there are hundreds of kinds of edible mushrooms, most of which don't grow in shit.
It is similar to saying I don't like vegetables because stores only sell peas and broccoli and I don't like peas or broccoli. Meanwhile everyone else is eating green beans, asparagus, ect ect. How many kinds of mushrooms have to actually ate? For most people, its only one or two kinds which is kind of ridiculous to claim to represent all mushrooms.
I made a post in /r/offmychest about a year ago about how I knew I was falling for my boyfriend because his parents, not knowing I detest fish, made me salmon for dinner the first time I met them, and I ate the whole thing and pretended that it was awesome.
Everyone in the commented proceeded to completely ignore the idea of the post, that I would eat food I loathe for him, and question why I didn't like fish. Told me that I'd clearly never had good fish, never had real salmon, I just needed to try this one different thing and I would suddenly be converted to a fish lover. My dad and grandpa both worked in the fish canning business for a time, and I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. I've had fish caught in Alaska and flown in the next day. No one would believe that I actually, truly just didn't like fish.
crop028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that really isn't a good reason. Basically everything is grown in shit, and fungi isn't specifically bad.
Fresh4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you there. The only mushrooms I eat are magic mushrooms, and I only consume those my grinding them up and shoving he resulting powder into pill capsules
I'd just like to mention to all you psychedelic warriors out there, do NOT try to grow magic mushrooms in dung, or a weird log, or any sort of trash.
Proper cultivation of mushrooms requires a sterile environment. It's a lot more work than your stoned ass is willing to put in right now. Do your research. It's honestly not that hard or even terribly expensive, but it's more complicated than you think it is.
Just a quick tip to all you psychedelic warriors out there. Do NOT, I repeat do NOT try to grow magic mushrooms in poop, or a weird log, or any kind of trash.
Growing mushrooms properly requires a very sterile environment. Otherwise your mushrooms will die, or get replaced by other types of fungus that could potentially be very bad for you.
Growing mushrooms isn't that hard, but it requires careful planning, attention to detail, and very specific equipment. It can be very rewarding, but if you are not committed to doing it right, you are just wasting your time.
Also your roommates are annoyed that you have a shoebox full of horse shit under your bed.
It's pretty fucking sad how the purpose of the upvote/downvote feature is too complex a concept for so many redditors. It means "relevant" vs "not relevant". It does NOT mean "I like this" vs "fuck you". It's like people don't want their minds expanded. They just wanna hear that they're already smart
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:58:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread asking for bands you like ruined by the singer, i mentioned smashing pumpkins because their instrumental music is a revelation, but billy corgan's voice sounds like a capybara being squeezed to death... so nasal.
I'd never downvote you for something like that... but I really like his voice. If I wanted to hear someone who sounded like everyone else I'd just turn on the radio.
Probably just by people who disagree with the opinion. I disagree with you by a long shot, but still would not down-vote you. Some people would though.
I also got downvoted for something similar, except it was in regards to an interview where they were talking to Marilyn Manson and Corgan.
Billy Corgan didn't shut up the whole fucking time, like EVERYTHING that was asked he went on a huge rant on how great he is and how smashing pumpkins is the best band ever blah blah blah. For every goddamn question.
I stated that he was a Whiny little cunt who is completely full of himself.
Try going in there and suggesting that any claim of a world leader being a pedophile is false. They will believe anything, even the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons, as long as she says David Cameron fucks kids.
Actually most servers probably don't claim their minimum wage differential because they were told they'd be fired if they did so. That's what happens when you work in an At Will state.
Those guys are basically narcissists and will berate you to oblivion if you're over 21 and don't have a million dollars set aside for retirement.
_Mark__ ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 18:37:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been browsing /r/personalfinance for a while and I've never seen this type of behavior, what threads have you been reading?
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:00:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the /r/relationships effect. When one or two answers get common enough, because people keep putting up scenarios where it is answered that way, it becomes a meme.
The popular posts on r/relationships have some reasonable advice. The unpopular ones only have a few comments so obviously there can be some shitty advice.
About a year ago I was doing pretty well and decided to invest about $1000 into some stocks, and knowing that it's best to just let these things sit, I did just that.
A year later, I was down $100 dollars. Investments aren't free money, guys.
I wasn't expecting a huge gain, and felt like a 100-200 dollar gain in a year was pretty reasonable. Knowing that I would have been better off leaving it in the bank was pretty frustrating.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:14:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100-200 in one year on a $1000 investment is 10-20% return. That's not realistic. At least not every year. Sure it might happen. But you can also lost money as you found out.
Ya but as far as I know investing like that should be considered in much larger increments, like 5-10+ yrs. If you only wanted it to sit somewhere for a single year, yeah that would be pretty frustrating.
I do know most advice I see on PF about that type of short term investing is just drop it in a savings account.
You're planning on buying a nice house/car or even worse, spending money on hobbies? Who the fuck do you think you are? You're going to save up and use that money exclusively on living costs.
Qender ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:37:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I made a post warning people that Ally bank will close your accounts without warning if you're a freelancer, or sell online or do anything that could be considered a business.
About 30 people started arguing with me that I should've read page 35 of the fine print and known they don't allow "business" accounts. Even though almost every other bank allows freelancers to deposit their money without considering it a business account. And that I should have known this already. (isn't that the point of the subreddit? to learn what we should know?) and they said that I'm an idiot for posting this. And some cursed at me so badly the mods had to step in.
A lot of good advice at that sub-Reddit, but if you disagree with anything they already believe, they go full narcissistic tantrum on you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted once there asking for help, was told I made poor life choices and clearly didn't understand finances. I said "yeah, I know, that's why I'm here" and received no reply.
I've served for years. Never once had an employer make up the difference if I had a slow pay period and didn't make minimum wage with my tips. Thankfully it was a rare occurrence, but it does happen.
And unfortunately if you had pushed the issue to make them do what they are legally required to, I'm sure your employer would find an excuse to fire you.
Exactlyyyyy. Servers are definitely easily replaceable. They never had to worry about ex-employees filing for wrongful termination or unemployment because they'd always come up with an excuse about your job performance or something. Saw it happen soooo many times. That, or they'll just start dropping shifts until you're not making near enough money to justify staying so you leave on your own.
Read the labor law poster in your break room. Under tipped wages, it specifically says that if your tipped wage + tips don't equal minimum wage, your employer must make up the difference. You were downvoted because your post was inaccurate.
There is a difference between what people are legally entitled to and what happens in reality though. Yes, legally, employers have to make up the difference. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that is what happens in reality. A lot of people are completely unaware of what their rights are and what to do if they are not getting what they are entitled to. And a lot of people working those jobs are not in a position where they can afford to lose that job / the wrongful termination law suit.
Amen to this. Most people who harp on "but it's the lawwwww" don't realize the law is by pay period anyways, not by shift. They assume if we have a shit shift ONE day, employers have to make it up to us. Nope, and 9/10 times our other shifts make up the difference on our "checks" (cause you know we barely get one), not our employer. I made good money serving and I actually do enjoy it, but there's a lot of red tape BS people who've never worked the industry never seem to understand! I used to get NEGATIVE checks when tips were good lol. Like, I'd have to pay my job for taxes every pay period and not receive a damn check other than the stub.
Worked a job where I didn't always make enough tips, and occasionally had to have it made up on my paycheck (I was an overnight server. Did really well in the summer, not so well when it was too cold for anyone to come in). It was always a hassle. Every time. I'd get called into the office and told that I "needed to claim more tips." I would then point out that I had a total of 10 customers in the past 5 nights, total sales of $120, and that I claimed what I had. I would go through each table individually, from memory (mostly regulars, and not too difficult to remember when you have that few), and tell them what they tipped me. The response? blank stare "you need to claim more tips." I was lucky enough to feel pretty secure in my job, since in the 2 and a half years I worked it they went through over 3 dozen people just trying to give me nights off. If I wasn't so secure, I probably would have just gritted my teeth and claimed more.
I think most states have an hotline of sorts that you can call in to report a violation like that anonymously.
But like you said, the big problem already is getting people the information about what they're legally entitled to, much less how they would go about taking action on it. And of course, with many smaller work teams, it's almost impossible for someone to not find out who did it.
I agree. Many managers will take liberties with your wage if you let them, however as someone who has already worked the hours at a determined wage, you have all of the rights in that situation. Sometimes all you have to do is show them that you are aware of their rights and they will "correct the mistake".
I've been shorted on checks before, but each time I quickly pointed it out to management and they fixed it. Thankfully, I have never had to escalate the issue.
A lot of people don't know what their rights are. So they don't know when to speak up.
And there are also a lot of people who feel they simply cannot afford speaking up. If you are struggling to make ends meet and you don't have an easy replacement for your job, a lot of people are going to make the decision not to speak up, especially if they have dependents. Cause as shit as it is getting stiffed, getting no money at all cause your boss fired you for making waves is even worse.
In the restaurant industry, people are disposable. You cause too much hoopla, easy to come up with a good excuse to fire you. Or simply start cutting your shifts down to where you're basically forced out the door. It's not too hard for them to find someone to replace you. For most of us, it isn't worth losing our jobs over an amount much smaller than what we'll make on any halfway decent shift. If it was something happening a lot, then yeah. But in 11 years in the industry I think it's happened to me twice, because the rare shift I don't break minimum, I have plenty in the same pay period that far, far exceed it. I averaged about $25 per hour during on-season at my last place. And it is by pay period, not by shift, that reimbursements are supposed to happen.
You'll also hear people say that if your taxes exceed what you're making on your check for hourly wages, employers are supposed to cover that. Trust me on this, they have plenty of loopholes in place to where they don't have to. I used to get "negative checks" all the time because I actually declared all my cash tips (a lot of servers don't, but I like being able to, ya know, be able to prove I make what I say I do!). Taxes would exceed my hourly pay. Granted, my health insurance there came outta my check, but it was $80 a pay period and sometimes I'd be negative like $110 between taxes and insurance.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the best you can hope for in that situation is not getting fired.
Yes, and then guess whose name immediately goes to the top of the chopping block when your employer decides, for "entirely unrelated reasons," to sever some "underperforming" employees a week or two later?
Just a question, but is that a federal law or does it vary from state to state? And, if it's federal, wouldn't it just be the federal minimum, which is often quite lower than state minimums?
I'm aware of what the posters say. I've also never had an employer make up the difference. They only make up the difference if I make under minimum wage over the course of the week.
Some waitress has a bad night and suddenly they're the worlds indentured servants.
"If I mention to our employer we didn't get enough tips to make minimum wage they'll fire me." or maybe just maybe you don't say anything because you're wage will average out over minimum wage.
Can confirm, there is 0 compensation if I don't break the minimum barrier ever. I'm told "well on some days you make like $17/hr" yeah but 4 days in a row making less than minimum wage really fucks me
I've been taken off the floor on slow days to watch mandatory training videos (thanks, corporate!). I said I wanted minimum wage for that half an hour and my manager goes "you weren't doing anything anyways."
A note for anyone who's interested (and apologies in advance for those who aren't): in some states (like Oregon specifically) tipped employees make minimum wage no matter what. There is no $2.13 or whatever it is 'tipped minimum wage', you make $9.25 (or whatever it is locally) as the base pay from your employer.
I don't know how many states are like this, but it's a thing.
Have you ever worked as a tipped employee making $2.13 an hour? I've NEVER had an employer make up the difference and I've served on and off since I was 18 (29 now). So many people think this means for the day. As in, if I had a slow day and made $15 off the 2 tables I had, my employer must make up the difference to me! No. It's by pay period. If your wages and tips for the entire pay period don't add to what you'd make making normal minimum wage, then they're supposed to make up the difference. This rarely happens. I'd have a $15 shift but the next night make $20+ per hour with tips. I can only think of a couple of times the entire time I've served where my pay period didn't equal minimum, and I never got reimbursed. They come up with all kinds of bs loopholes to avoid spending any extra money, trust me on this. And when you're struggling, it's not worth potentially losing the job to get $20-$30 when you knowwww you're gonna make much more than that in a normal shift.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:55:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. Any boss doing that is breaking the law
Mejari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They ARE breaking the law! Just like it's illegal to make servers pay for walkouts out of their tips. Both still happen all the time.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:26:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I pointed out that you can be legally held responsible financially for a debt generated by your parents in some US states even though you never signed anything to allow them to do so. For example, aged care.
Downvoted to about -7 I think. Even though later commenters pointed out it's actually true it seems people just hated the idea too much. Mind you I hate the idea of it too.
Warpato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:01:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get a list of states? Need to know whether or not to murder my parents
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called "filial responsibility laws". I Googled it too, because my mom is an alcoholic and a borderline, and I'll be fucked if the state makes me pay for her elder care after I didn't even get a safe and stable childhood (let alone developing or nurturing) out of her. I'll be an illegal in Canada or Mexico first, and I don't think I'm joking. Fortunately less than ten states have them and only Pennsylvania has a reputation for using them like money-grubbing retards (a few years ago Pennsylvania was simply suing the wealthiest person to whom filial responsibility could apply under their statute for elder care and taking every dime they could get, with no attempt to spread the pain among children or exhaust medicare billing first).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are many, but a recent example: On /r/startrek, I had the temerity to point out to someone that I, too, had been born several decades after TOS' (The Original Series) original run, but I didn't find it "outdated". You're not supposed to deviate from constant DS9 (Deep Space 9) worship or question the dismissive attitude towards TOS there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made the mistake of saying I loved Voyager.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not the other guy, but I liked Voyager because it had a relatively strong over arching plot line (getting home from the Delta Quadrant). Each episode was its own little adventure, like all other star trek. But at the same time they all had a main plot line in mind, so when you got an episode making progress on the main plotline it was a real treat.
The show isn't perfect, I'll be the first to admit that. But I do still enjoy Voyager, and it doesn't deserve the hate it gets.
That's normally the opposite reaction of people I know. Tng, tos, ds9, voyager, enterprise in that order, which is also conveniently almost release order.
It really depends on the type of FGM. FGM isn't a monolith, it's a bunch of different things collectively called 'FGM'. There are FGM practises where there is removal of the [clitoral hood], which is analogous to male circumcision (although FGM generally tends to be much more harmful/destructive than basically all male circumcision practises).
It's also done in a variety of sanitary conditions and by practitioners with a variety of skill levels. I'll never ever forget reading a first-person essay by a woman whose grandmother performed her FGM with a piece of broken glass.
Not necessarily. Remember the baby in New York that died of STDs after he was circumcised and had his penis cleaned by the mouth of a Rabbi? there needs to be a boundary for when religion is considered harmful to where the government can regulate it. FGM, MGM, and Scientologist prisons are things too oft ignored.
UUUGGGGHH no, I hadn't heard about that. That's terrifically bad. But that doesn't detract from my original point, which is that FGM varies pretty widely in terms of method, sanitary conditions, and skill level.
It's all varied. On average MGM and FGM are both performed in a variety of different environments, sterile and dirty. FGM tends to be worse in general because of the variance in procedures, but MGM can have horrific consequences as well, even if the procedure goes as planned. Results of routine MGM. NSFL graphic images
Note that album is extremely NSFL, that'd what pushed me over the fence from calling it circumcision to MGM. We should really just ban it all, but someone always jumps in to say that it's not as bad, or that it has health benefits. There aren't any health benefits to cutting up a boy's perfectly good penis or a girl's vagina. It's all disgusting and pointless and crude, and it's a shame our society hasn't moved forward.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:04:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you look at those pictures? The side effects and results of circumcision cause enough risks, health issues, and bodily harm for it to be considered MGM. I agree it's hysterical for sexual assault to be considered rape, but there's a difference.
a more dramatic and life-altering procedure
How much more life altering can you get than forcibly removing the foreskin of baby boys, and cutting it off with a knife? Over 20,000 nerve cells are removed when the foreskin is removed, dramatically reducing sensitivity of the penis. The glans, covered in mucous membranes similar to the inside of the eyelid is left exposed by the removal of the foreskin, causing the skin on the glans to dry and keratinize, further reducing sensitivity.
done for worse reasons
The procedure of circumcision was developed by John Harvey Kellogg, a medical doctor who is known for inventing corn flakes, but also his abstinence only views on sex and sexual education. The foreskin serves as a lubrication device during sexual procreation, in which it pumps back and forth, allowing the penis to penetrate the vagina without strain or discomfort.
It also serves as a protective device, preventing the mucous membranes on the glans of the penis from drying out, which results in loss of sensitivity as I stated earlier. He patented this procedure as a method to prevent boys from masturbating or feeling sexual pleasure, in an attempt to suppress sexuality in children. Did you know he also would apply carbolic acid to the clitorises of baby girls as well, to reduce the sensitivity of their sex organs?
The reason they call it "mutilation" is because it typically is a dangerous, profound, misogynistic procedure; the equivalent male 'mutilation' generally is not.
Did you even look at those pictures? There isn't a single way to judge on how to properly cut for a circumcision. It's up to the discretion of the doctor, which can result in the skin being too tight causing discomfort, stretching of skin, affect how the man is able to produce an erection, or it being too long resulting in the procedure being pointless.
Or if it fails, severe genital mutilation occurs. David Reimer was a man who's penis was permanently scarred after circumcision, causing his parents and his psychologist to forcibly give him sex change surgery as an infant, and be raised as a girl. He ended up committing suicide due to the psychological stress caused by his failed circumcision, and the resulting trauma.
We have every reason as a society to condemn this barbaric procedure, and it is more than worthy of the term mutilation. Calling it anything else is a discredit to every man and boy who's suffered as a result of it, including us all who had it done without our own consent to the procedure.
And why are you bringing sex into this? We're talking about the unconsenting mutilation of childrens genitals, not some petty buzzword bullcrap like "man spreading". The fact you consider this a worthy issue to bring sex into is ridiculous. This is something suffered by both boys and girls, women and men. I'm not jazzing it up.
Too lazy to look this up right now, but I think that in the embryo, the future penis glans and future clitoris are the exact same organ. And female circumcision often involves removing the labia as well, which have an important protective role.
Yes they are the same. Both involve chopping off parts of the sexual organ and causing life long disfigurement. How are they "not even remotely" the same? Because an extra millimetre of skin is taken?
Don't believe the feminist propaganda that one is a horrible crime while the other is a non-issue.
I already stated that I dislike both. But....guess what? While both forms of circumcision involve chopping off parts of the sexual organ, the actual parts taken are different from one another (male and female genitalia are different) and their roles and functions are not equivalent.
Also, while I dislike male circumcision I do know that many circumcised men are perfectly happy about the fact that they're circumcised.
It was perfectly rational for an anti-masturbation anti-sex quack to invent circumcision (and burning off clitorises with acid) in order to curb sexual behavior. Look up Dr. Kellogg's insane inventions sometime.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:12:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think circumcision, of either gender, has existed or been common only since the 19th century? Are you kidding?
That's not what I said at all. Routine male genital mutilation in the western world was popularized primarily by Dr. Kellogg and other anti-masturbation advocates of the 19th century.
I'm a female and I don't have kids so I know next to nothing about make circumcision, just to preface this. Doesn't it have some hygiene benefits? Maybe that's why it started, then religion made it so widespread.
kjata ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:00:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has hygiene benefits, I've heard, if you don't actually try to clean it out yourself. I don't actually know, not having one to clean, but I suspect that it's not some major onus to clean it out.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:15:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its origin isn't so crazy as people (especially in deserts) didn't have access to bathing. but now yeah it seems pretty pointless.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:04 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hygeine benefits and benefits for men with phimosis, or foreskin that's too tight , making it nearly impossible to clean beneath the skin or have an erection without tearing foreskin. The hygeine benefits are simply for people without access to showers, the lazy and the uneducated though. Literally pull back the skin and clean it. Teach young boys how to clean it properly and you're golden. If a boy has phimosis, it's easily diagnosable and simple enough to fix, just get a circumcision.
With showers being abundant and daily for most people, there's really no need for circumcision for a healthy male.
Yes, cutting off a body part has hygiene benefits.
If you don't have it then it can't get infected, and germs can't grow on it.
Cutting off your hands also has a dramatic hygiene benefit, since they are the main method of transferring germs.
Cutting off the breast tissue of infant girls also helps. It reduces breast cancer rates by 100% and reduces hygiene problems, since yeast infections can occur under the breasts if they are not properly washed.
Dude chill. I said I don't know anything about this. I was genuinely asking.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For fuck sake, take a Xanax.
Lots of public health officials in the West did indeed approve of circumcision as an STD prevention for quite some time and until fairly recently. It's been the last 30 years or less people have started agreeing it's probably not a big help and may not be worth the downsides. The OP is not spewing some unfounded misandrist propaganda and saying "gee, I just always assumed it was true."
I think people should stop cutting at children's genitalia. Whether male or female; it shouldn't matter if culture religion, or social norms deem it acceptable as it denies the child to live in the body they were born with.
If you are old enough, than it is your body. Same with circumcision (both female and male). If you are at the age of consent in your country and you have full rights and not treated like cattle etc, than by all means do what you want to your body. My main beef is with those who deem it appropriate to those who can't consent legally by law for a procedure when there is no immediate need for it to happen. (I make an exception for Phimosis). (Saying it makes it cleaner is only true if you have no access to clean running water, live in a desert, no access to antibiotics, etc).
The point that I am trying to make is that whether or not they are equivalent is irrelevant as both instances deny the child to bodily integrity. Most of the factors that get in the way of them are religion, culture, societal norms and equivalency of mutilation (hence "Whether male or female"). You can't compare female and male circumcision because female circumcision is a lot more diverse and is varying in it's degree's, sure there is cross over with male, but not at all to a high degree. Does that mean that just because there is false equivalence we should focus on female more than male, or male more than female? Absolutely not; both need to be challenged and addressed to stop taking away the element of choice from a child that will eventually grow up in that body.
I'm familiar with male circumcision because it's extremely common in the US, but I'm not too familiar with the female equivalent. Why is it so different and generally looked upon as mutilation?
Because it involves partial to total removal of the clitoris in order to "take away the temptation" of sex.
Male circumcision has absolutely nothing to do with trying to make sex painful for boys, but that's the goal of female circumcision. Not just the lack of a clitoris, which makes sex less pleasurable, but the scar tissue that makes it intensely painful. Oh, and it's done when the girl is seven or so, rather than when she's a baby, with no anesthesia.
Some even take it a step further and sew the entire vaginal opening shut, only to be opened for sex with the girl's husband. None of this is typically done by a medical professional, either.
Female Genital Mutilation is one of the widest-spread silent injustices on the planet, undergone by over 80% of girls in Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Mali, Guinea, Sierra Leone, etc.
EVILEMU ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The penis is a self-cleaning mucous membrane, just like the vulva and vagina. Mutilation doesn't keep it "clean" anymore than removing the eyelid keeps the eye "clean" by allowing it to dry out and scar over.
Any surgery - however minor - carries some level of risk. Therefore circumcision should not be carried out unless it's medically necessary.
Every person has the right to bodily autonomy. Therefore we should avoid making physical alterations to children when they're too young to consent.
Are the consequences of male circumcision as severe as FGM? No, but when you're talking about performing an unnecessary surgery on a kid too young to consent, it's not enough to say "I don't see a reason not to". I feel like you need to have a really fucking compelling reason to do it at all.
EVILEMU ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:19:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, well put.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:46:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im not sure if my friend had her son circumcised (I think it's a little weird to ask about your friends baby's genitals) but if she did it would be because she's a CNA and has had to clean uncircumcised penis once the owner is incapable. One man was capable and they thought he had been cleaning himself properly but somehow he got an infection under the skin, I'm going to stop there because it's just awful what happened.
The home wasn't quite sure how that happened so it's possible he was putting stuff in there and that's how it happened but I wouldn't blame my friend for circumcising after that.
Oh god, nurses have the worst stories, don't they? My friend was an ER nurse and used to come home from work every day with awful stories. I remember one about some girl who'd given herself a horrific bacterial infection by leaving a tampon in for a dangerously long time. (I asked how people even manage that. Like doesn't the string remind them every time they wipe or shower? She said that in tbis case, the girl had managed to insert the tampon upside down while she was drunk. The mind boggles.)
As far as I know, though, my friend hasn't dealt with the experience by banning her daughter from using tampons, just by teaching her the importance of basic hygiene.
My main problem with male circumcision is (and saying as a guy who is circumsized now), if someone told me at the age of 25 that I should get circumsized, I would say fuck no. This by itself already says that it's not the best thing in the world. And why would you want to make that decision for someone else. If at a much later age with more experience my answer to your question, whatever it may be, is a resounding no, then I shouldn't apply that standard to someone else who can't make that decision.
Second, but a more philosophical argument. If I just so happen to beat you within an inch if your life, put you into the ICU, gave you the best surgery and plastic surgery in the world, and I erased that part of your memory...did it actually happen? And more over, was what I did amoral? For that matter, does the act even matter so long as you show no physical damage in the future or mental scars?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic in my second point. Because I don't have the answer to that either.
In addition to the other reasons listed below on why it's not necessary, I understand it can lead to sexual issues. As in the foreskin is meant to protect the sensitive tip of the penis, and once it has been cut away, it exposes the head to contant stimulation. That can lead to desensitizing.
it's a lot more than that. The foreskin protects sensitive tissues, mucous membranes, and contains virtually all the erogenous nerves in the penis. The least sensitive part of an unmutilated penis is more sensitive than the most sensitive part of a mutilated penis.
Its removal completely changes everything down to how the penis functions during intercourse, leading to sexual dysfunction for both men and women.
everyone has only a vague knowledge of it. We've normalized male genital mutilation to such an extent that most doctors don't even know that until puberty the foreskin is attached to the glans the same way your fingernail is attached to your finger.
Because its bits of my dick cut off either in the name of superstitous gobbledygook or just because. I'm sure its easier to keep your hands clean if you fucking amputate those.
It's a common cultural practice amongst a few countries. Rarely performed in a sanitary medical setting. It involves cutting of the clitoris, usually without anesthesia or any kind of painkiller, and is done much later in life than male circumcision.
Some nasty infections can happen, and many women who were victims of the practice can die during childbirth in their later lives.
8000 nerve endings, as in less than half as many as an unmutilated penis has in the structures of the Ridged Band, contained within the foreskin.
People's utter ignorance about the actual structures and anatomy of the penis is a huge part of the problem. The foreskin isn't just some random piece of skin, it's a complex set of tissues that performs multiple functions and contains virtually all the nerve endings in the penis as well as the protective functions it performs for the sensitive (and like the vagina self cleaning) mucous membranes underneath. Its removal is equivalent to the removal of the clitoral hood, clitoris, and labia.
It gets worse. There are types where they cut the labia off, remove the clitoris fully, sew up the vaginal entrance. The sewing type is often broken only when she marries and is sometimes done by simply forcing the penis through the stitches until they come out.
Last but not least is the type where they cut the wall between the anus and the vagina so that the woman is helpless and ill from the infections. It also hugely increases her chance of dying during labor.
That's not a recognized form of FGM according to the WHO, and the overwhelming majority of FGM is the least invasive forms which actually remove less tissue and nerve endings than MGM.
That isn't true. 40% of teenage girls undergo Type II FGM; which involves the partial or total removal of the Clitoris and the Labia minora. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the clitoris is one of the main places women derive pleasure from during sex. The next largest minority is Type 1, which is removal of the clitoris and the clitoral hood.
As if that wasn't shitty enough, around 10% of women suffer from chronic infection as a result of FGM and 40% experience chronic bleeding.
In no way is MGM more severe than FGM. FGM causes nothing but harm and has a huge complication rate. It's often performed in much less hygienic circumstances.
Why is it so important that MGM be considered more severe? It's not. MGM is largely an issue of ethics as the side effects from it are nowhere in the same league and most studies have concluded that it almost has no effect either way.
Just because it isn't in the same league, that doesn't mean it isn't fucked up. No child should have needless cosmetic things done without their consent, especially since things can go badly wrong.
That isn't true. 40% of teenage girls undergo Type II FGM; which involves the partial or total removal of the Clitoris and the Labia minora. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the clitoris is one of the main places women derive pleasure from during sex. The next largest minority is Type 1, which is removal of the clitoris and the clitoral hood.
That's exactly what I just said. You just agreed with me. The majority by far is composed of Type II, which is almost 1:1 comparable to the removal of virtually all nerve endings in the penis as well as the functional structures of the foreskin and the mucous membranes inside, and Type I, which is less tissue removal than MGM.
I am quite certain you're unaware of this but the foreskin is not just "skin", it contains virtually all of the nerve endings in the penis and is a vital part of the proper function of the penis during intercourse as well as an important protective barrier for the sensitive tissues inside (which are comparable to the inside of an eyelid or the vaginal walls).
As if that wasn't shitty enough, around 10% of women suffer from chronic infection as a result of FGM and 40% experience chronic bleeding.
And victims of male genital mutilation in those countries, which is often carried out after publicly beating and stripping the victim, just plain die.
In no way is MGM more severe than FGM. FGM causes nothing but harm and has a huge complication rate.
MGM causes nothing but harm and also has a huge complication rate when carried out under the same non-sterile and barbaric conditions prevalent in undeveloped countries. There are lower "obvious" complications such as infection, sepsis, and death in the west but it's still not a safe procedure, it's still genital mutilation, and it still has profound impact on sexual function to say nothing of being an abhorrent human rights violation.
It's often performed in much less hygienic circumstances.
That MGM is common under the brutal conditions of sub-saharan africa and the middle east and the sterile conditions of the west is not a point in your favor, you're literally saying "Well MGM happens vastly more often in both undeveloped nations AND the west".
Why is it so important that MGM be considered more severe? It's not. MGM is largely an issue of ethics as the side effects from it are nowhere in the same league and most studies have concluded that it almost has no effect either way.
Why is it so important that MGM be erased, minimized, outright mocked and scorned ("penisfeelz"), and its profound medical side effects completely ignored? Why is it so important to utterly monopolize human rights as if they were zero sum? Why can you and other feminists, and it's telling that I can identify you as one purely by your profound hostility towards recognizing the severity and harm of MGM, not accept the facts?
MGM is just as medically harmful and disruptive of proper function as FGM and when you compare apples-to-apples, ie victims in undeveloped nations to victims in undeveloped nations, the rates of death and deformity are at minimum even. It's only when you make an improper apples-to-oranges comparison of victims of FGM from undeveloped countries to victims of MGM in developed countries that you get such skewed results.
Just because it isn't in the same league, that doesn't mean it isn't fucked up. No child should have needless cosmetic things done without their consent, especially since things can go badly wrong.
Just because it happens to boys doesn't mean it isn't in the same league.
Okay, I'll bite. Type 1 and type 2 involve the removal of most, if not all of the clitoris. The clitoris is roughly equivalent to the head of a man's penis and has many more nerve endings AND is the main source of pleasure for the majority of women during intercourse.
You're arguing that the foreskin is equivalent to that but it isn't. There is no study anywhere which suggests the foreskin is as vital as a clitoris for sexual pleasure. Circumcision has been found to not impact sexual health, function, sensitivity or sensation. I can give you a link to an excellent review of the high quality circumcision studies.
As long as people keep acting like it's worse or precisely as bad (in the US), you're going to get nowhere with trying to get a barbaric religious/cultural practice changed. Lying about how severe it is makes people immediately more likely to dismiss your claims. It's not 'important' to minimize or mock it, but it is important to see it as a separate issue.
Also, very few people talking about circumcision are talking about MGM in Africa and the ME. The majority of people are campaigning about the US version and it's dishonest to try and equate the two. None of the organizations I can find mention it as anything more than a side note.
Circumcision in the US is largely done out of tradition and misinformation, e.g believe it helps maintain hygiene.
MGM in Africa and the ME is often associated with religion and tribal identities, as well as being a rite of passage into adulthood. It also gets forced upon people because of the mistaken belief that it makes infection with HIV less likely.
FGM is done for the same reasons and has the same effects no matter where it is performed. You can't address FGM in other countries without educating the countries and cultures the women come from, as many of them simply take their children to other countries and have it done. That is why it's such a big campaign.
OTOH if you had a US family move to the UK, their child would not end up circumcised because it's not done automatically. Said family wouldn't take a trip to the US just to have it done.
I'm not saying that MGM isn't bad, just that the majority of people who act like circumcision is just as bad are US born. They're talking about US circumcision. They're talking about US values. They're not talking or caring about little boys in Africa being forcibly circumcised under the guise of HIV management. Those little boys only get trotted out to make US circumcision seem worse.
I checked a whole bunch of charities hoping I was wrong, but the discussion is literally only about the US. You're acting like it's people just being dismissive, but US circumcision really isn't in the same league as FGM. MGM in Africa does have similar infection issues, although the problems are acute rather than chronic. This is because these practices aren't done in hygienic places.
Okay, I'll bite. Type 1 and type 2 involve the removal of most, if not all of the clitoris. The clitoris is roughly equivalent to the head of a man's penis and has many more nerve endings AND is the main source of pleasure for the majority of women during intercourse.
This is a misunderstanding born of ignorance and dishonest arguments by people hell bent on monopolizing victimhood and treating human rights like a zero sum game. The clitoris is not equivalent to the head of the penis, the foreskin is. The foreskin contains virtually all of the nerve endings in the penis, at least 20,000 that we know of, as well as performing vital functions during intercourse and protecting the mucous membranes of the glans outside of sex. The glans is equivalent both in function and in tissue type to the first inch or two of the vaginal canal. It is not naturally a dry wrinkly fleshy bit of skin, it is a moist (and self-cleaning!) mucous membrane just like the vaginal wall.
The problem is a combination of near universal total ignorance as well as deliberate dishonest misinformation has led to the overwhelming majority of people, doctors included, not having the first flipping clue about how an unmutilated penis functions.
This ignorance is so great that even many (if not most) doctors don't know that until puberty the foreskin is attached to the glans by the same method your fingernail is attached to your finger.
You're arguing that the foreskin is equivalent to that but it isn't. There is no study anywhere which suggests the foreskin is as vital as a clitoris for sexual pleasure. Circumcision has been found to not impact sexual health, function, sensitivity or sensation. I can give you a link to an excellent review of the high quality circumcision studies.
I've already linked you to a good dozen studies proving otherwise right off the top of my head, and further research will no doubt yield more. By definition any study purporting to claim that circumcision is harmless and the foreskin is not a vital part of the penis, necessary for the proper natural function of it during intercourse, is not "high quality". The impact of genital mutilation on men is so profound that it changes the entire nature of intercourse and function of the penis during it, including interactions with the vagina.
As I said: The effects of a near total lack of education combined with constant outright misinformation by the pro-mutilation/anti-male crowd. People who mock men for "whining about penisfeelz" and commit felonies to stop them from even talking or organizing to deal with things are not a good source of "high quality" information.
As long as people keep acting like it's worse or precisely as bad (in the US), you're going to get nowhere with trying to get a barbaric religious/cultural practice changed. Lying about how severe it is makes people immediately more likely to dismiss your claims.
"If you ingrates don't shut up about you deserve people ignoring you!
It's not 'important' to minimize or mock it, but it is important to see it as a separate issue.
Only to people who base their entire ideology on the idea that only women are victims and men are only ever privileged oppressors, and need to completely monopolize all forms of victimhood and discourse as part of that.
People who see men as full human beings don't need to treat genital mutilation as a "seperate issue" from genital mutilation. It's fucking genital mutilation. You don't get to say "Genital mutilation is a horrific human rights violation unless you do it to boys then it's just a bit of skin and it's totally fine except for it being a bit unethical" and pretend you actually care about genital mutilation, or that you're a decent human being.
If you do that you're proving that you don't actually give a shit about genital mutilation as long as it's done to the right people.
To paraphrase something someone once said about rape victims: If talking about genital mutilation "derails" from your discussion of genital mutilation then you weren't talking about it in the first place.
Also, very few people talking about circumcision are talking about MGM in Africa and the ME. The majority of people are campaigning about the US version and it's dishonest to try and equate the two. None of the organizations I can find mention it as anything more than a side note.
This is completely incorrect. They're talking about genital mutilation in africa AND how it's incredibly widespread and nearly routine even in the west on top of that. That doesn't make male genital mutilation "better" or less of a problem, it makes it worse.
Circumcision in the US is largely done out of tradition and misinformation, e.g believe it helps maintain hygiene.
MGM is done in the US because of the quack beliefs of Dr. Kellogg and others that masturbation was profoundly evil and unhealthy, and the very accurate belief that mutilating boys' genitals by removing virtually all nerve endings and tissue vital to the natural function of the penis during masturbation and intercourse they would strongly curb pleasure and sexual behavior.
Dr. Kellogg also pionered burning off clitorises with acid. The difference is nobody gives a fuck about boys human rights but people actually care about girls.
MGM in Africa and the ME is often associated with religion and tribal identities, as well as being a rite of passage into adulthood. It also gets forced upon people because of the mistaken belief that it makes infection with HIV less likely.
That second one is the major reason it's performed in Africa right now, and you can thank western countries for pushing male genital mutilation as a "protective" measure against HIV. In fact you can specifically thank the pro-mutilation quacks that published your "high quality studies".
FGM is done for the same reasons and has the same effects no matter where it is performed. You can't address FGM in other countries without educating the countries and cultures the women come from, as many of them simply take their children to other countries and have it done. That is why it's such a big campaign.
Meanwhile you can get MGM done right here at home, which if you actually cared about genital mutilation itself instead of only caring about who it's done to would mean stopping it right here at home would be very, very, very low hanging fruit. If I were to take you at your word then by your own logic there should be an army of feminists outside every single doctor's office protesting male genital mutilation. I mean you can get thousands of people for slutwalks and rapes that never even happened (University of Virginia, Mattress Girl), you can't get people to care about babies having their genitals mutilated right next door?
OTOH if you had a US family move to the UK, their child would not end up circumcised because it's not done automatically. Said family wouldn't take a trip to the US just to have it done.
No they'd just ask for it and still get it performed right there in the UK. Also doctors still perform circumcisions in the UK, it's just slightly less common for them to suggest it as a routine practice.
I'm not saying that MGM isn't bad,
That's exactly what you're saying. You're going to extraordinary lengths to minize the harms it cause, spread misinformation about the structures of the penis, and ignore the fundamental importance of the foreskin to the function of the penis.
Your entire position can be summed up as "there's nothing wrong with mutilation boys' genitals except nobody asked them first".
just that the majority of people who act like circumcision is just as bad are US born. They're talking about US circumcision. They're talking about US values. They're not talking or caring about little boys in Africa being forcibly circumcised under the guise of HIV management.
Again this is completely and totally wrong. People are focusing on stopping it right here at home because their own sons are being mutilated against their parents' consent just because the other parent (invariably the mother) decided they wanted it done. When a human rights violation is being committed right next door there's nothing wrong with starting right then and there and working from stopping it in your own backyard, where you actually have political rights and authority as a citizen, before going international.
Those little boys only get trotted out to make US circumcision seem worse.
The irony is this is the number one bait-and-switch tactic of feminists, to use women in other less developed countries as an excuse to say women in the west are oppressed and then to throw those women under the bus when they're done with them. You're describing your own side's tactics here.
I checked a whole bunch of charities hoping I was wrong, but the discussion is literally only about the US. You're acting like it's people just being dismissive, but US circumcision really isn't in the same league as FGM. MGM in Africa does have similar infection issues, although the problems are acute rather than chronic. This is because these practices aren't done in hygienic places.
If FGM were performed in America it would be exactly the same as MGM performed in America. You're not seeing chronic problems from men in Africa because the men in africa don't live long enough. The fact is nobody cares if men die in Africa. 200 girls get kidnapped and the entire world grinds to a halt, the First Lady of the United States of America gets on twitter to demand their return. The fact their male classmates were burned to death doesn't even register on anyone's radar, most people didn't even know they existed in the first place.
What you think supports your efforts to minimize MGM actually proves my point for me: MGM is performed more than FGM, here in the west AND in Africa/etc, and while women get long-term medical care the men are just left to die in the street.
You honestly just seem like you can't admit that you're wrong when it comes to this. From what I can see, so many people have given you countless arguments and evidence against your position and you're stubbornly holding on.
You haven't backed up any of your claims and as far as I can tell from researching the subject, there is no negative effect on the penis post-foreskin removal. There is no loss of sexual function, pleasure or sensation. I say this coming from a country where it just doesn't exist, it's less than 2% of men.
That's the thing, you act like it's a huge deal beyond ethics. It isn't. It has no negative long term effects, provided it is done properly. If you removed the clitoris in an American hospital, you'd destroy pretty much all sexual pleasure for the girl in question. That just doesn't happen with circumcision. So don't try and argue that FGM would just as humane.
And honestly, yes. My position is that it's human rights violation because non-essential, optional cosmetic surgeries should be consented to as an adult and not as a parent. There is the risk of complication and the risk that the person wouldn't have wanted it and they have the right to CHOICE.
But it does no long term damage. It doesn't impair function. There is no evidence that it makes sex less pleasurable. Or that it makes sex more dangerous. It's cosmetic and akin to removing the inner labia lips. People choose to get both done and that is their right.
To be honest, it's an issue with a majority of movements. Just look at environmental statistics if you compare China v the USA v Europe.
You can make things seem really terrible if you use foreign statistics and you can use them to make a bigger point. FGM in Africa is much worse because of poor hygiene. MGM is much worse because of poor hygiene.
As for the fact that the treatment of boys doesn't register as strongly, it's deeply sad. It's awful. It happens to just about every group, though. Nobody gives a shit that there are little boys being forced into being soldiers in Somalia.
Nobody cares that when the UN interferes with countries, child prostitution rates go way up. Nobody cares that there are several countries in South America coming close to collapse. Nobody cares that ocean creatures are dying off in their millions. Nobody cares that there is a state with functioning death camps.
It's not an institutional hatred of boys or girls which causes news stories to get no attention. It's the media. They decide what is news and for how long. People can't get riled up if they haven't even heard of the news story. If the poor treatment of boys in foreign countries is something you want to pay attention to, then bring it to peoples attention.
FWIW, I hadn't heard about the burning. It's tragic that it didn't register. Someone, somewhere should have made it a big deal.
You honestly just seem like you can't admit that you're wrong when it comes to this. From what I can see, so many people have given you countless arguments and evidence against your position and you're stubbornly holding on.
Science denialism is not "countless arguments and evidence".
You haven't backed up any of your claims...
I haven't backed up my claims? I've repeatedly cited a good dozen studies just from superficial research.
and as far as I can tell from researching the subject, there is no negative effect on the penis post-foreskin removal. There is no loss of sexual function, pleasure or sensation. I say this coming from a country where it just doesn't exist, it's less than 2% of men.
First off your idea of researching the subject is to refer to pro-genital mutilation quacks that push the HIV transmission woowoo.
Secondly once again that's completely, utterly, and abjectly wrong. The foreskin contains virtually all erogenous nerves in the penis, protects what few nerves are on the penis itself from keratinization (ie getting covered in scar tissue), protects the sensitive mucous membranes of the glans and inner foreskin, and is a vital part of the proper function of the penis during intercourse. It not only provides stimulation to both men and women but is a fundamental part of the mechanical action of intercourse itself.
That's the thing, you act like it's a huge deal beyond ethics. It isn't. It has no negative long term effects, provided it is done properly. If you removed the clitoris in an American hospital, you'd destroy pretty much all sexual pleasure for the girl in question. That just doesn't happen with circumcision. So don't try and argue that FGM would just as humane.
You're removing about 20,000 nerve endings from the penis, allowing the mucous membranes on it to dry out and completely scar over with keratinized tissue, and completely destroying the mechanical function of the penis during intercourse.
It's like going from a 4K HD monitor to an old black and white television from the 50s or, alternatively, removing the clitoris and labia and allowing the vagina to keratinize from lack of protection.
But it does no long term damage. It doesn't impair function. There is no evidence that it makes sex less pleasurable. Or that it makes sex more dangerous. It's cosmetic and akin to removing the inner labia lips. People choose to get both done and that is their right.
Already gave you a good dozen studies proving otherwise.
It's not an institutional hatred of boys or girls which causes news stories to get no attention. It's the media. They decide what is news and for how long. People can't get riled up if they haven't even heard of the news story. If the poor treatment of boys in foreign countries is something you want to pay attention to, then bring it to peoples attention.
If you're interested in it, I'd recommend the film Desert Flower. It explores the culture and it's effects on women. FGM, it's worth noting, doesn't just involve the cutting off of the clitoris in some cases (like the other user said) - it can also, in some cultures, involve sewing the entrance to the vagina closed once the labia is removed, apart from a very small hole, typically done by leaving a twig or some other small object to stop the wound from closing. When the woman is (typically) married, the husband opens the vagina with a knife.
It is. They do it because they think it's needed for a woman to be pure, and to prove how pure she is - her husband will be the first person to penetrate her, because it'd be impossible for anyone else to do it without the cutting, which'd leave physical evidence. Of course it's barbaric, but that's the reasoning :(
It's not unreasonable to downvote someone for minimizing and erasing the harms of mutilating boys genitals. The overwhelming majority of female genital cutting removes part of the clitoral hood or clitoris, which is directly comparable to the removal of virtually all erogenous nerve tissue from the penis and exposure of the underlying mucous membranes (which leads to keratinization of what few nerves remain). MGM is the medical equivalent of the removal of the clitoris, clitoral hood, and labia. Climax and "normal" intercourse are still possible but sexual function is significantly disturbed and there's a whole lot of other problems caused by the loss of functional tissues.
"Circumcision" apologia is rooted in utter ignoranceof the actual structures and functions of the tissues involved and the profound effects of their removal. The foreskin isn't some flap of skin, it's a complex structure that contains virtually all the nerves of the penis and protects the mucous membranes inside. The glans is like the inside of your eyelid, or the inside of the vagina, it's not just "skin". The ridged band is filled with thousands upon thousands of nerve endings, just like the clitoris.
And this is just staying with the medical facts, it's not getting into the moral aspect of mutilating a child's genitals without consent.
It depends on a type. Or are you saying that removing skin that is analogous to foreskin is much, much worse than removing foreskin?
Edit: Mind you, I'm not saying that any type of circumcision without consent for non-medical reason is okay.
nilikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Female circumcision runs the gamut from tiny ritual nick of the prepuce to complete removal of the external clitoris and labia and infibulation (sewing the vaginal opening almost entirely shut). Obviously, only removal of clitoral prepuce would be analogous to removal of penile prepuce (foreskin). The majority of female circumcision is much more physically devastating than (relatively) simple prepuce removal.
Obviously, only removal of clitoral prepuce would be analogous to removal of penile prepuce (foreskin).
The overwhelming majority of FGM is of the least invasive types, and the foreskin is not simply "skin", it's a multi-layered complex piece of tixxue containing virtually all of the erogenous tissues of the penis and protecting the underlying mucous membrances.
Removing the foreskin is equivalent to removing the clitoral hood, clitoris, and labia.
nilikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The foreskin is the penile prepuce. The clitoral hood is the clitoral prepuce. They are literally the exact same differentiated tissue, with the only difference being surface area. Removing the clitoris is analgous to removing the glans penis. Removing labia is analogous to removing the scrotal sac. These analogues form from the same tissues prior to external genital differentiation in utero.
Furthermore, I never claimed that prepuce is simply skin. I used a more common term in order to communicate to a wider audience. I am aware that most people minimize the harm of MGM, but I personally believe that all elective, cosmetic genital procedures done to minors without consent are ethically indefensible. I have an intact son and advocate for all children to have bodily autonomy.
These analogues form from the same tissues prior to external genital differentiation in utero.
That's an irrelevant point, they may have the same foetal origins but they are vastly different in final structure and nature. The clitoral hood does not contain virtually the entirety of female erogenous nerve endings and its removal does not profoundly alter the entire function of the female genitalia.
The foreskin contains virtually the entirety of male erogenous tissue, protects a substantial portion of the penis, and is vital to the proper natural function of the penis during intercourse.
Its removal is analagous in terms of impact, nerve loss, and functionality to the removal of the clitoral hood, clitoris, and labia; leaving only the bare vagina and what little unprotected and increasingly keratinized nerves remain.
nilikon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you are describing is almost complete removal of erogenous tissue. This is comparable to removing the penis. A keratinized glans still has nerve endings, albeit compromised. A completely removed clitoris is insensate or solely painful entirely.
A vagina devoid of external genitalia is in no way comparable to a keratinized glans. A majority of women are unable to achieve orgasm without clitoral stimulation. Are you suggesting that a majority of circumcised males are unable to achieve orgasm?
What you are describing is almost complete removal of erogenous tissue.
Exactly like the near complete removal of erogenous and functional tissue that male genital mutilation results in. I don't see what's so hard for you to understand about this.
this is comparable to removing the penis. A keratinized glans still has nerve endings, albeit compromised.
No, it's not, not at all. The hypothetical female victim in this case still has a fully functional vagina and reproductive tract, she simple has had virtually all nerve endings removed as well as important external structures. Just like a male victim of genital mutilation.
A majority of women are unable to achieve orgasm without clitoral stimulation. Are you suggesting that a majority of circumcised males are unable to achieve orgasm?
There's non-trivial body of research on the significant impairment of sexual function male genital mutilation causes.
nilikon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:53:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about done with this. Victims of mgm do not (nearly universally) experience pain as a result of sex and are (nearly universally) able to reach orgasm. Clitoridectomy is equivalent to chopping off the head of the penis. Prepuce is prepuce. I don't know why you think the vagina is equivalent to the penis, because it is not enervated to the same degree as external erogenous tissue. We agree that mgm is disgusting, but you've got to make it worse than complete removal of female external genetalia. This isn't going to go anywhere.
Your argument is as proposterous as claiming that removing a male breast is indistinguishable from removing a female breast just because both have the same foetal origins. It's absurd on its face to anyone with the presence of mind to recognize that while they may have a common origin during foetal development they are fundamentally different in their end result.
"Prepuce" is not "prepuce", the clitoris and labia remain even if the clitoral hood is removed. If the foreskin is removed then the entire function of the penis is fundamentally altered, its mucous membranes exposed and subsequently keratinized, and virtually all nerve endings removed. That is fundamentally different than the removal of merely the clitoral hood, and is comparable only to an equivalent destruction of fundamental functions and removal of virtually all nerve endings.
Why do people knock on people who like their steaks well done? Before you accuse me of liking my steak well done, let me tell you I don't. However, I don't shit on people for eating food how they want to eat it.
They pay for it and they cook it, so who gives a fuck how they like to eat it?
The bigger issue is when they ask for it well done, but then turn around and say it's tough, dry, and generally bad. I work in a restaurant and I literally just saw this happen yesterday.
Often, the people who say they like theirs well done tend to talk shit about people who eat their steak "bloody and raw", which can eventually get irritating. Also the popular opinion of professional chefs and food enthusiasts is that a good steak is best cooked below well done
I find the opposite is much more common. Food snobs calling well done steaks shoe leather and such.
For the record I like medium rare steaks. But if someone wants to eat well done, why not? Maybe they prefer the taste, maybe they're immune compromised and would prefer not to take a risk. Who am I to judge?
Well done eater here, I prefer the taste and I don't really like "juicy" meat, I much prefer drier meat that's well seasoned. I a big fan of pepper sauce on my steak too
Popular opinion doesn't matter. It's just that, an opinion. Professional chefs and food enthusiasts aren't paying for my dinner, so quite frankly, I don't give a fuck what they think about my food. If I like it, I'll eat it.
And I see way more so called 'foodies' shitting on people for liking well done than the other way around. It's like they're so fucking far up their own ass because they learned to sous vide last night that anyone who likes anything different is surely a peasant.
bc2zb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once saw a chef give a very well written response to this and I will try to paraphrase:
If you prefer your meat well done, please order something that can be cooked to well done. Much like people don't yell at sushi chefs when certain fish is served raw, people need to understand that a well done filet mignon is not a well cooked filet mignon. If you want a well done steak, let me serve you braised brisket, chuck, or a pot roast. A piece of meat that achieves nirvana with the liberal application of long, slow cooking leaving it at well done, and it being done well.
End paraphrase
It's not opinion really, filet mignon tastes best when served rare to medium, and brisket/chuck taste best when served well done. Again the sushi example, the sushi chef doesn't ask you what doneness you'd like your fish. A pasta chef doesn't ask you how cooked you want your pasta. I think steaks just happen to be one of the few foods where there are multiple levels of doneness. I get it that a person should be allowed to buy whatever they want unmolested about it, but I think that there should be more of a dialogue when it comes to things like well done filet. Less language along the lines of, "Sir, we do not do that here" or "Are you sure?" More language along the lines of, "Sir, if you prefer well done meat, may I suggest one of our braised dishes?"
It is opinion. How can you say it isn't opinion? Tastes vary. Some people don't like certain foods because of texture. Some don't like because of taste. Are you going to tell someone who doesn't like mushrooms that their opinion on mushrooms isn't an opinion? I mean, really..
And honestly, if I went to a restaurant, ordered something and someone gave me the last line.. I'd get up and leave. It's insulting.
At the end of the day, the steak is still sold, so does it really matter? Nope.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, sometimes you want a steak but you're pregnant and don't want to risk food poisoning.
Like, it's a fact that different meat cuts have different tastes and textures. But the more done it is, the less difference the cuts have between each other. A well-done filet mignon is almost indistinguishable from a well-done round beef. But the former has better taste and texture when cooked rare.
There is nothing wrong in preferring well done over rare. But using a noble cut like filet mignon is a waste in that regard, considering you could achieve the same taste and texture with a less desirable (and thus, cheaper) cut.
a cheep steak and an expensive steak taste about the same when well done. It annoys chefs that people would spend 40-50 dollars on a steak that will taste the same as one you could find in a cheep meats bin for 5 dollars.
I think people misinterpret the frustration chefs feel when the potential of a dish is squandered and take it to mean all well done steaks are bad.
Tybob51 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:46:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably meant he didn't want one of those steaks with a lot of fat that is somewhat separated from the meat. Where parts of the steak are essentially globs of fat.
I like to cut that part off and lay it on any leftover steak when reheating it.
jopnk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one varies tho, he probably had never had a really good steak. I really hate when there's a massive hunk of fat attached to the side of my steak, I usually cut it off and give it to my dog. BUT, a steak that is fully marbled with fat? Give that to me rare and I'll eat it before you can blink.
I don't get why people hate on well-done steaks. I like mine medium rare and no one ever questions it, my friend orders it well done and they treat it like he murdered their cats.
Ahhhh give me a medium rare steak with a great fat line every time. My fiancรฉ has family in Nebraska and they brought this absolutely amazing prime rib down when they visited. I teased them that Nebraska can't have better beef than Texas, but Jesus Christ. The marbling in that thing. Mouthwatering.
I find chunks of fat to be disgusting. Do better cuts have it throughout? My family always made steaks super well done, and now that I'm out o my own, I'm trying to learn the proper way to eat and make them. Because I love steak.
It won't be chunks of fat in a good steak. It will be small streaks of fat running throughout the meat. After you cook it you won't have troubling chewing or cutting marbled meat like you do with a chunk of fat. Google marbled steak. And for fun google kobe beef.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a difference between "a fatty steak" and a good steak with fat on it. I hate steaks that I have to sit there trying to cut around all the fat to get to the meat
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally. I understand eating healthily - better for your wellbeing etc. but that's squished to a fuckery if it compromises on taste. I love good food. Indulgence should be a treat, don't ruin the steak!
Or even worse, people who like their steaks well-done.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I HATE it when the fat is really thick, I can't stand that. It ruins the steak for me, but light thin marbling (hell even heavy marbling, as long as it's thin, so it melts away when cooked medium rare) that's perfect.
I do find it bizarre that the Wikipedia article cites marbling in steak as being a factually good thing, instead of just an opinion - as if it's totally impossible to prefer it without...
Rib-I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's called marbling, that guy is just a moron.
I made the point that marijuana was nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol but that it is not some sort of health supplement like most people want it to be around here, and that eventually they will be able to show marijuana actually does take a negative toll on your health, although probably not as high a toll as other drugs.
Smoking anything isnt good for you! From Vaping to hookah. People do tend to support smoking over other issues, while I totally agree with them, youre right. There are many many more important issues facing our country
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I had a guy on Reddit demand sources when I challenged his assertion smoking marijuana is good for the pulmonary system. I wasn't on /r/trees, either. For fuck sake...
The same thing happened to me too. The guy said that the marijuana actually reverses any of the damage to your lungs and that smoking it was totally fine and beneficial.
Small note: Vaping isn't smoking, as you're inhaling a vapor rather than smoke. Well, at least if you're using it right. (You might end up burning the wick if you're not careful about it.)
It's not completely harmless, but it's also not really comparable to things like smoking, hookah, etc. Research thus far has not shown any major concerns, but not vaping at all is better for you than vaping.
It kind of is. They're both inhaled forms of nicotine delivery. Other than that, they're completely different.
In cigarettes, it's tobacco being burned. In most cigarettes, there's tons of chemicals additives and multiple known carcinogens. In addition, there's a wealth of research linking smoking to a number of health conditions in addition to the whole cancer thing. Then there's other effects like discoloration of fingers, teeth and what many consider to be an offensive smell.
Vaping usually contains 2 main ingredients (vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol), nicotine and flavorings. This liquid is heated to create vapor, but does not burn under normal conditions. As of now, there's been no clear research linking any of these components causing increased risk of major health problems or cancer. There's also no issues with the discoloration and the smells are generally considered more appealing.
I dont know why you were downvoted o.O I vape all the time, shit cant be good for you. Nowhere near as bad as cigarettes but still probably somewhat harmful
The war on drugs/terror has cost your country more than you can imagine. There ARE many more important issues than smoking, but there are also more important issues than terrorism and drugs and people tend to support those issues a hell of a lot more than smoking.
Not sure about that. I know that marijuana has the potential to "activate" schizophrenia in individuals with a family history and schizophrenia usually presents itself between teenage and mid to late 20's. More research will have to be done on the subject nevertheless.
It's a drug that alters someone's mind, and therefore it has different effects since there are so many differing minds. I get paranoid when I'm high (which also is the same as my bro/dad), but we definitely are not schizophrenics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, bro...you're just not using the right strain, bro.
Seen that so many times when someone says they don't like pot. If it doesn't help your pain or help you relax, it's only because you're not using the right kind. It's just not possible any appreciable number of humans see no benefit from marijuana, right?
Not so much, there is some evidence but it's more of a correlation. Most Schizophrenics also smoke cigarettes, but it isnt caused by it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that it's probably something that can cause the onset of schizophrenia to happen earlier than it might otherwise. I have a friend who is an identical twin. Brother started smoking weed in high school and bam, schizophrenia hits. My friend didn't start till college, but within a few months he had pretty bad schizophrenia.
Obviously that's an anecdote, but it's enough to make me suspicious.
It may be that their smoking started when they began to experience increased stress or anxiety, as that is known to be the onset of mental illness. Schizophrenia also usually has an onset in the early 20s, so again thats a correlation. If it's true, as it is also awfully convenient for you to have two identical twins that just happened to start smoking before the onset of schizophrenia. Either way your anecdotal evidence is nice to hear, but it's also spreading an idea that does not have a strong scientific basis. So, toke away. But if you are going to toke because you want to self medicate, don't do that without first seeing a professional
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assure you it is true. I don't really have an agenda to push here. I don't care. But I only said anything because of the identical twin thing. Otherwise it would seem totally coincidental to me.
From what I understand, the jury's still out on that.
Even if it was definitive, that doesn't even come close to justifying the prohibition. Individuals who "contract" schizophrenia as a result of habitual use aren't aided in the slightest by being tossed in prison. They would be helped by proper regulation of the industry. People would make informed decisions about their own health. Nobody thinks about tossing tobacco smokers in prison, and the adverse effects of tobacco are much better understood and significantly more harmful to an individuals health.
Thats not true at all; no one just 'catches' schizophrenia. Using mind altering substances can have ill-effects on those who suffer; they may also speed up the progression/on-set for those that may not even know they have it yet.
I don't really care about marijuana in particular, but I do think that it sparks an interesting debate about your right to autonomy in general and the effect that just substance prohibition in general has on numerous issues.
It's just a shame people use it to completely sensationalise and exaggerate the other people's opinions. Compromise is a thing, and it's not accurate to generalise the whole crowd as unconditionally pro weed (in fact the in thing right now seems to be going the opposite direction).
I also do wish people would actually reinforce their arguments with at the very least pertinent sources. Sometimes it's hard to tell when someone's just pulling anecdotes straight out of thin air.
I'm the resident weed smoker in my group. And i was arguing with my other 2 friends (out of 6 people in our group) that weed DEFINITELY has negative side effects and that alcohol is currently easier to get and they flipped the fuck out at me.
If someone smokes every single day for an extended period of time. They will definitely be different.
Yeah, the pro-pot crowd has it in their heads that inhaling burning plant matter into your lungs is somehow good for you because sometimes it shrinks certain tumors. I mean, smoke away, but that's not how it works.
Honestly, I think most of the risks are associated with smoking it. Especially in blunts, where you're still getting tobacco with it. Inhaling smoke into your lungs just ain't great for em. Edibles seem to be the way to go.
My only thought to why you were downvoted alot is because the research being done now is on people usually with cancer so unfortunately it's rarely a long term study. But people like me may have a bias towards marijuana as a tool to fight cancer because a person you know used it to help their cancer treatment, like in my case, my cousin lived 2.5 years after given less than 6 months to live when he was diagnosed with an aggressive lung cancer.
I do agree, long term research needs to happen for a clear discussion on whether to consider it for more than just cancer patients. And to determine what recreational use does to the body long term. For example my cousins son is 22 and he has been smoking pot now for about 5 years with no stopping in sight. But in the same token, I have an auntie who smoked (cigarettes) her whole adult life with fair bit of dementia. Her mother, my grandmother 24 year older smoked when she was young, drank often when she was young and is healthy as can be.
So with that in the family I'm interested to see what happens to my cousin or me for that matter.
Marijuana legalization is important because successive possession charges are predatory against minorities. Plenty of states still have three strikes laws, where three counts of possessing a drug on par with alcohol can end up with crippling sentences. Combine that with the excess of money spent policing marijuana distribution and the dearth of tax money not being made... you can see why people might care more about a fixable social issue that costs more money than it's worth and leads to overcrowded prisons.
I don't even use any marijuana product and I think that it needs to be legalized. It's a winnable and worthwhile battle.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a good point. I agree with OP that immigration reform is very important but so is criminal justice reform, and we could go a long way in criminal justice reform through decriminalizing drugs, with the added benefit of financially hurting cartels.
And criminal justice reform can actually serve as a form of immigration reform, as a lot of people end up getting deported because of minor run-ins (like weed-related ones) with the criminal justice system.
I think you are right. Also marijuana legalization is pretty black or white, you are either for it or against it.
Immigration reform on the other hand could mean a lot of things. When you just say we need reform people don't know whether you want to make it easier or harder to get in. Or whether or not you're talking about work visas, what to do with illegal immigrants, etc. there are a lot of different issues with immigration that one could be one very different sides of when you just talk about reform.
If I get busted for buying beer with a fake ID twice, should I face 20-life for getting busted a third time? That's the level of crime we're talking about: non-violent but illegal commerce.
If you know the consequences, why would you try it the first time?
The issue is more about a lack of proportional response. Three strikes consequences escalate sentencing to unwarranted levels that do not match the crimes committed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think that's true, but I also think that immigration in the United States is messed up and there's no reason for it. I think that would be an issue that would be easy to solve and would stop people living like second class citizens, being mistreated by factory or packing plant managers who then start thinking it's ok to treat EVERYONE with brownish skin badly, and people not being able to get drivers licenses. When people are forced to drive without drivers licenses it's bad for everyone.
And where I live in Iowa we need the immigrants. White people are leaving and the birth rate is low and dropping. I think marijuana legalization makes sense, but I also don't think it would stop police from disproportionately targeting black people.
Who said brown skinned people are being treated badly? What makes you an authority on people of Brown skin. 4chan posts don't count as a source
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just talking about my town, mostly. There's a lot of illegal immigrants who work at the meat packing plant and factory in town, and it's well-known that they are paid less and treated worse than non-illegal immigrants. Sometimes supervisors assume anyone who looks kind of Hispanic is an illegal immigrant and treat them poorly regardless of whether they are. That is also something people talk about.
they should be paid less since they dont pay taxes, and those that have citizenship should have the benifit of earning more to deal with taxation.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:12:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They want to pay taxes, and if legal immigration were easier, they would. That is part of why I think immigration reform is important. At the very least it needs to become easier to apply for asylum and the U.S. should take in more refugees- it sets quotas, and then the paperwork just doesn't get processed for that many people. There were a pair of children near me who fled violence in Central America and ended up in my state. They clearly shouldn't have been sent back, but it was only thanks to a lot of free legal work (that is not available to everyone who needs it) that they weren't.
UCFJoe2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment will end up being my answer for this thread I'm sure but: possession charges are for whoever the hell is possessing and has absolutely nothing to do with being a minority or not.
jshaf8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I can explain this a bit from a pro-legalization standpoint.
Marijuana is wasting government and civilian resources. As in, resources we could use for far greater issues such as immigration and harder drugs.
If law enforcement isn't focused on two dozen $50 possession tickets, they could dedicate that time to things that actually have a severe negative impact on our country.
I don't think we (those in favor of legalization) want to focus on the actual legalization. We want it legalized to get it "out of the way" so time effort and funds are spent on more pressing issues.
I think it's at least as important as immigration reform. I don't really give much of a shit about marijuana itself, but I do give a shit about the millions of people whose lives are ruined by marijuana arrests and convictions, and I give a shit about the billions of tax dollars that are wasted arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating marijuana users.
I honestly agree with you. If not at the very least because weed can be legalized at the state level one state at a time, whereas it'd be chaos if that happened with immigration policy. It's just a federal issue, more so than weed.
Ive argued with multiple people that banded together to say they never saw a single negative consequence of marijuana use, it wasnt a gateway drug, it didnt cause a loos of fine motor function, heavy use never caused a loss of ambition.
Not only did they not experience any of it but no one had ever seen or knew anyone that was negatively affected.
This doesnt help legalize, this makes reddit a totally non respected place to sit with likeminded people and push yourself to the radical edge of your beliefs.
You should've known better, the only people who believe that inhaling burning plant matter is not only completely 100% harmless are hippies and redditards.
I feel like with how well Colorado did with making bank off of legalizing you could look at it like legalizing takes priority since it benefits the people living here already with state budgets.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's some sort of logical fallicacy to even compare the two. They're two separate issues. I don't even know why that would be an argument in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana legalization would legitimize a whole industry of growers, distillers/concentrates, and salesman and produce tax income on one of the largest crops produced in the US. Not to mention the huge reduction in police costs. To act like its not extremely important is stupid.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like people love weed a little bit too much now.
Do i think weed should be legalized? Yes.
Do I think people shouldn't be arrested for long ass times for possessing/selling weed? Definitely.
But trying to argue that its healthy doesn't make a difference. Weed legalization in my eyes is more of a battle about ridiculous drug laws and battling the war on drugs.
robmox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, bro. I think the War on Drugs is probably the worst Civil Rights violation since WWII. There are numerous articles and documentaries on how our government uses the War on Drugs as a policy to incarcerate poor minorities, and now even poor white people. I think manipulating government policy to take peoples lives away from them is a HUGE problem in the US, and immigration can wait.
If you proposed specifics of immigration reform, it might have been downvotes out of disagreement with those ideas. Or maybe they just made assumptions about your stance on the issue and downvoted similarly.
Of course, maybe they just actually believed that immigration is a less important issue than marijuana. I suppose a case could be made for it as well: Its illegal status helps contribute to illegal drug distribution and only drives the "war on drugs" to be a bigger issues than it needs to be. Then there's issues with marijuana-related charges being linked to profiling, issues with prison population numbers, the repercussions of having unjust punishments/records for possession, etc. It is an issue that has a lot of negative impacts on individuals as well as on larger scales.
to the people with treatment resistant conditions that cause excruciating pain, it is more important. you can say those people are in the minority, but you know who else is in the minority? minorities that need immigration reform.
Why is immigration reform so important? I really don't think immigrants are causing problems in this country
Wizuhd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Millions of people's lives are ruined by being imprisoned over weed. Millions more that could benefit medicinally but can't because of idiotic laws. So yeah, it's kind of a big deal
No one said it wasn't a big deal. Comparing peoples choice to take a drug vs people fleeing a country ruined and dominated by drugs is a steep comparison.
The go to 'holier than thou' mantle that people place on the marijuana argument is ALWAYS it's medicinal applications. More than likely the person citing it has no medicinal uses for it and want it for recreational use. I'm fine with the recreational use, but let's not try to scale human rights to a recreational drug.
Well, what's insane to me is that so many people don't see how those issues are tied together. Any serious immigration reform will need some sort of overhaul on drug policy as it relates to cartels and international trafficking.
Huh, I also agree that weed legalization is far more important than immigration reform, but that's mainly because I don't think immigration reform is important at all.
Like the "War on Drugs" dishing out felonies and raising incarceration rates left and right? That's not a real issue? Just because it doesn't affect middle-class you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. Walk a mile in a poor minority's shoes for once man, it really is a different world for them out there.
Nah man, I'm sorry but you can't just lump in all people who support Sanders with all people who support marijuana legalization together and say they are "blind to real issues", then have a real issue they both care about be presented to you and say "That's not what I'm talking about."
Please enlighten me then. What are you talking about? Did I upset your Fox News narrative?
I made an offhanded comment with no real basis. Have a problem with that? Welcome to the internet.
I don't think people who are pro weed are blind to real issues, I'm just tired of hearing about it. Legalize it to shut people up. I don't need to hear how much you think it cures your high blood pressure, or your low tire pressure in your car. I don't care. How about we tackle a real issue like education. And I don't mean making college free. Look at that nice transition to Bernie. I'll take it.
Forget about making college free in the next 4 years. That isn't the problem. You know what the real issue is? Convincing EVERYONE they need to be in college. This is wrong.
We need to fix education at the ground floor before we can offer reduced cost or free college. People who deserve to be in higher education can have their education provided when they get to that level. However, we push too many people through lower grades and programs and ignore the fact that this stupid system we have set up now hurts everyone.
Do I have the answer on how to fix the education system? I sure don't. It's a complicated problem that can't be solved by one person. It is going to take all people to come together and actually GENUINELY care about the issue before it is fixed.
This country is stupid in the sense that we delegate views and issues to parties. These are policies that change our country for everyone. We need to work on the issues together. Republicans are stupid for discrediting democrats because they are democrats, democrats are stupid for rejecting republicans because they are republican.
Both sides have stupid ideas that are worthless on their own. If we could sit down like grown ups and actually talk about solving issues instead of safe spaces, or limiting a firearm magazine to 4 rounds, or making college free for votes we would be better off.
Bernie Sanders has all these great ideas, but they aren't going to be great in the long run. They are short term fixes to help people who are screwed right this very moment and those people are in favor of that. He has his heart in the right place, but his policies need work.
Donald Trump is convinced on building a worthless fucking wall, what an idiot. You aren't going to get another country to pay for it, a wall won't stop anyone. People defending illegal immigration are idiots. It's illegal immigration because it's illegal. It has nothing to do with hating another race or culture. It's literally about keeping illegal immigrants out. The word immigrants doesn't imply a race.
Hilary Clinton I'm not even going to bother. Out of the three main candidates right now she seems to be the least sincere. I'll take a Trump/Bernie ticket over giving her the time of day.
Sorry if my Fox News narrative is too strong for you, but I hope you have a better day.
How is that not what you were referring to? I think it's exactly what you were referring to, but when faced with a valid argument you can't come back with anything...
Well, Demetri Martin's a fairly popular comedian and I feel he would have a solid collection of fans on Reddit. People independently replying with the same joke doesn't sound too far-fetched.
Except it never is because it's an overused switcharoo. It's the equivalent of rickrolling, that one pic of that football player or posting a literal picture of a mirror when someone asks for an alternative link. Some people may find that funny, but it's never contributing to discussion.
On an old account of mine, I got mass down votes because I said I don't immediately think a rape accuser is lying. And people wonder why this site has the reputation it does.
It was in the context of a discussion about a man who had been raped, but people in his social network were claiming it can't be rape if he had an erection and/or an orgasm.
Somehow some clown on reddit turned it around and was claiming that "studies have shown" that women usually have orgasms when they are raped too.
The original post was about a man who was being raped but had an erection, and people said it wasn't rape because of the erection.
I think what this guy was trying to say is that that physical arousal can happen to rape victims of either sex (which is true), but his statistics were so fucking crazy that it sort of invalidated an otherwise good point.
FourO40 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:57:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People think that having an orgasm means that it wasn't rape.
I guess that theres SOME merit because generally an orgasm comes when sex is pleasurable but its still a ridiculous argument.
Mejari ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:49:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does what the body finds mechanically pleasurable have to do with whether or not it's rape?
kjata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it can't be rape if he had an erection
Clearly nobody espousing this opinion has been a teenage boy, because erections will happen without provocation, like that annoying friend or relative you have who shows up unannounced at the strangest times and hangs around way longer than they should.
When I was in my early twenties, a female roommate of mine had a terrible day at work and just needed a hug and shoulder to cry on. We hugged, she cried, and I got a boner. There was nothing sexual about this interaction and she just needed support.
I have never before or since been so angry at my dick. We were not on the same page at all.
kjata ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emotional vulnerability and physical contact, devoid of context, are turn-ons. The penis does not care about context. The penis cares about getting put in things. The penis considers you a weirdly complex and temperamental friction delivery system.
I believe the line of thought is that orgasm equal enjoyment, and therefore if a rape victim, male or female, orgasms then they enjoyed it and it isn't rape.
It was on r/tumblrinaction, which when it first started was a fun place to see crazy stuff about people who believed they had the souls of plants or whatever and honestly everything was all in good fun.
Now it's all mean-spirited angry anti-feminism posts, and it isn't fun at all.
That day that some guy got upvoted by more than ten people for saying more than 50% of women orgasm when raped and I was subsequently downvoted for linking to an actual scientific study that refuted this was the day I unsubscribed from TIA.
All I said was that I don't take sides in a rape case. I don't think the accuser is lying and I don't think the accused did it. I was amazed at the reaction I got.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, you can't logically take that position. To not think the accuser is lying is to believe they are telling the truth, so you can't also believe the accused didn't do it.
My position is that further inquiry/evidence is required. Calling for additional evidence when someone makes an accusation is not the same as calling them a liar, and thus believing their claim whilst maintaining the innocence of the accused is not a more 'objective' perspective.
My position is that further inquiry/evidence is required.
That's not answering the question. Let me ask you again even more directly: "Do you believe it was heads?". This is a yes or no question. there are only two possible answers. either you believe it was heads or you do not.
The answer you are searching for is "no". You do not believe it was heads. You are open to the possibility that it was heads and have no particulare inclination either way. That is a no.
It is easy to confuse the concepts because spoken language can get a bit tricky explaining these concepts which are better described in more formal languages like math.
"I do not believe x" is NOT the same as saying "I do believe not x". On a coin not heads is tails. but the sentances "I do not believe the coin was heads" is NOT the same sentance as "I believe the coin was tails".
That is where I think you are getting mixed up and why this sentance:
To not think the accuser is lying is to believe they are telling the truth
Fair enough, I guess I was being overly pedantic. I see now that saying neither is necessarily lying is the same as taking a neutral position until you get further evidence.
He/she isn't saying that both sides are right....or that neither is wrong. OP is just saying that he/she doesn't have some amazing immediate accurate insight into who is telling the truth.
Obviously one of them is right and the other is wrong, but much of the time we simply don't know which is which.
Oh hey look another person who doesn't know what that means.
Qender ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:39:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly "innocent until proven guilty" only counts when you're accusing someone of rape, not when you're accusing someone of being a false rape accuser.
That's the most toxic hive mind opinion on this site imo
Any time rape is mentioned everyone jumps to "innocent until proven guilty" which, around these parts, means "believe the guy until the court says to believe the girl"
Edit: and then any time a guy claims to have been raped not a single person expresses any doubt
I'm sorry. But it is innocent until proven guilty.
What needs to actually happen is names to be released when the person is found guilty by the media and not when an accusation happens. Witch Hunting is fucking toxic in reddit and social media in general.
Qender ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 20:40:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet the same people are generally very happy with witch-hunting a girl for being a "false rape accuser."
And then when the court agrees with her it's "well courts are biased towards women!! She could've faked it!! This is going to ruin an innocent man's life!!" Make up your damn minds, people.
"It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
I'd argue that a person who sexually assaults someone and someone who purposely tries to get someone falsely imprisoned/blackballed from every decent job are equally terrible people. Both acts ruin lives
Qender ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:17:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but according to FBI stats, under 2% of rape accusations are false, yet 100% of the alleged victims are accused of being false rape accusers.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How could you possibly know this to be true?
Qender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:21:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you're not familiar with these sort of cases.
Then the victim started getting death threats and was shunned by a great many people. People absolutely hunter her down, exposed her private info, and treated her just as badly if not worse than many people accused of rape.
Most rape victims have similar stories. And this is a large reason why a lot of rape victims never report their crimes, or tell no one about them out of fear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I was referring to you talking about the "same people." I don't doubt there are people who deny victims and have seen it myself. But I was commenting on your sweeping generalization because on Reddit so often they appear and just bother me. You have no actual knowledge of who these people are or there stance on other even similar issues.
Qender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, do you see any of the people from my previous example blaming the celebrity in the case?
Her choice to make herself public by telling everyone she was raped.
Very different for falsely accused people
Qender ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her choice to make herself public by telling everyone she was raped.
That's like saying it's the the fault of the alleged rapist for saying they didn't do it.
First of all, you don't know who brought it into the public attention. A victim can simply report the crime to the police and press charges and the news media can dig up the names and publish them. In many cases it's third parties or even the alleged rapist who starts publicizing the case.
And second. You can't keep being a victim a crime. Not only do people usually work with or go to school with their assailants and need to be able to distance themselves, but they often have a close circle of friends.
Not to mention, if they don't tell anyone and act like everything's normal (which is really hard with the trauma and PTSD that people go through when they're assaulted like this) then it will be used against them in court. Lawyers will ask them "If it was so terrible, how come you seem normal and keep going to school with the guy" or something like that.
You can't press charges against someone and keep it secret, and even if you do, which many people have tried to do with celebrities, other people such as reporters and even talk radio hosts will find their information and spread it.
So basically, sometimes a person gets raped, reports it to the police. Reporters spread their names public, random strangers send them death threats for being "false accusers" then people like you blame them for "telling everyone they were raped".
Well don't be mad about the publicity. Bad things happen, people talk, and your name will be thrown around. If you accuse someone of a serious crime, publicity is to be expected.
If you're accused of a serious crime, you should be protected from publicity at least until you're proven guilty.
There's still a difference
Qender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:40:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you think it's wrong to accuse someone of the crime of rape publicly. But ok to publicly accuse them of the crime of being a "false accuser"?
Shouldn't they both have the same right to privacy or lack of that right?
Then the victim started getting death threats and was shunned by a great many people. People absolutely hunter her down, exposed her private info, and treated her just as badly if not worse than many people accused of rape. All because she did nothing more than file a police report.
Most rape victims have similar stories. And this is a large reason why a lot of rape victims never report their crimes, or tell no one about them out of fear.
That doesn't mean that the accuser is necessarily actually lying. What it means is that we don't punish the accused. It means that we don't know who is guilty (either of rape or of lying) or who is innocent (of rape or of lying) so we have to treat them as if they are both innocent.
Eptar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit tends to have a massive witch hunt when someone is accused of rape, though. Everyone immediately jumps to the conclusion that the accused is guilty.
It's the middle ground between immediately disbelieving rape accusations and immediately believing them that reddit needs. Unfortunately, going to the extreme is all too easy on a vote based website.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:44:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that Reddit is hypocritical, but I generally believe the accused to be innocent until they're proven guilty in a court of law, no matter the type of crime. Sure, public opinion isn't bound by any rigorous standards of proof, but I don't have all the information the state prosecution does, so I'll refrain from judging anybody until I know for (reasonably) sure.
Because our judicial system has such an effective track record of successfully prosecuting rape
/s
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:04:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a his word against mine type of situation, which are very difficult to resolve without further evidence, which is, unfortunately, oftentimes just non-existent in cases of rape.
Whom do you believe? The potential victim or the potential rapist?
Halyon ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:10:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't remember where I read it, but something which I believe is a satisfactory answer to that question is "both". You have to believe and help the accuser because, if he/she is telling the truth, their world is completely upside down right now and they need support, not to be brushed aside. But at the same time, you mustn't let it colour your view of the accused, at least until you obtain hard evidence against them, because their life can equally be destroyed if the accusation is false. Rape is such a difficult topic and as (initially, at least) it's impossible to know exactly who did what to whom that you have to "believe" and support both.
(Footnote: yes I know you can't truly "believe" both of them as they give contradicting statements, but you have to outwardly appear to be doing that imo)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:40:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most reasonable response. Good on you.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good way of handling it, let's hope I never have to employ it.
Rape is incredibly difficult to prosecute because more often than not there is no evidence besides testimony of the parties involved. That being said, very few rape accusations are false (something like 2-4%, in on my phone and can't link a source, sorry) and so we're left with a predicament. Do we simply pretend like there's no reason to believe the accused is guilty? Despite empirical evidence saying otherwise? Or do we give credence to what the accuser is saying and believe her?
Believe me, I understand how horrible it would be if a man was falsely accused of rape and felt the repercussions for it. But that isn't statistically normal, but Reddit seems to think it is and subsequently berates and discounts seemingly every high profile rape accuser. That's what I have a problem with.
EVILEMU ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I am not arguing against the principle of "innocent until proven guilty", what I'm criticizing is reddit's knee-jerk reaction to basically just use it as an excuse to discredit any and all rape accusations when they are almost always true.
EVILEMU ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people are just overzealous to mention that someone isn't guilty until they're proven guilty. It goes without saying. There seems to be just as many people that are too quick to read a buzz headline and conclude that someone is guilty/innocent.
Then when the verdict comes out and they get upset. No one is as informed about the case as the jury, so I'd like to keep my faith in the jury and not someone who did some reading online.
I agree with you though. People are too quick to form opinions. You can't discredit something until it has been proven to be false.
Isn't this essentially the meaning of "innocent until proven guilty"?
No. "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't mean to actually believe him, it means to withhold immediate judgment. It means to refrain from punishing him-not because you know that he is telling the truth, but because you don't know who is telling the truth.
To believe the guy means to assume that yes, the girl is lying. To assume that she is guilty (of lying). But we don't actually know that.
It doesn't mean believing the guy, it means withholding from believing either party (unless conclusive evidence comes in).
All I said was that I don't take sides in a rape case. I don't think the accuser is lying and I don't think the accused did it. I was amazed at the reaction I got.
That's a huge difference, I'm almost certain what actually got you downvoted was the bolded part.
When I first joined reddit, I went to r/SQL/ and had the audacity to say that a RIGHT JOIN is a perfectly acceptable command to use when appropriate and was much more efficient than using LEFT JOIN on a sub query that references a table previously called in the query.
Holy. Shit. The entire board was really angry. Like space vs tab angry. Except it was a united front against the RIGHT JOIN.
daywade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:28:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Joins and stuff. I do a right join every weekend am I right guys?
Generally speaking. The guys (and girls) I know in business intelligence are really smart people and produce some really informative data. The issue sometimes is what certain management decides to do (or not do) with that data.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that my husband and I had discussed it and we decided we wanted around 7 kids, some of those being adopted. Apparently that was the wrong answer.
robmox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People assume you're not taking it seriously if you say you want 69 children.
I declared that Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban had an illogical time paradox. Harry Potter fans did not care to hear that.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:11:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know that there's been a single time travel story that doesn't have a time paradox somewhere. But HP3 does relatively well insofar as the things that are going to happen have already happened -- Harry has already cast the patronus and it's implied that McNair is splitting open the pumpkin the first time, too.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is also far and away the best book of the series, regardless of plot holes, so that might be a contributing factor.
OotP and PoA are my favourites too! And I agree, the third was one of the best movies in the series, which I'm sure most people can agree.
Here's a vid I found interesting about the third movie that is super interesting if you haven't seen it, and it kinda explains why the third movie feels like an actual really good movie.
I enjoyed Half-Blood Prince. I think because it was sort of the calm before the storm. It had a bit more humour in it, especially the movie (although don't get me started how they replaced the final fight with the burrow attack).
Well, for me, the book was the best because Dumbledore was my favorite character, and HBP expanded upon him being human - him being a person rather than just a teacher/peripheral character. It really fleshed out his background and experience, while rounding it off with a great display of just how wise and knowledgeable he was, rather than just alluding to it as the first 4 and 9/10ths of the series did.
And then what happened in the 7th book? It went even further into his background, and showed the dark past that seemed like so many knew, but turned a blind eye to - the experience and scars that turned him into the truly amazing person everyone had known before his death.
I dunno. So many people shit on the 7th book, saying it felt rushed and that they think the 6th book was largely pointless.. And I get it that half the book is about trying to extract a memory from Slughorn that Dumbledore already had a damn good hunch what it contained anyways. But, I feel like it wasn't so much about that, but rather confirming the exact number or Horcruxes, and showing Harry become a true friend to Dumbledore, not just a student/apprentice.
shrugs That's why it's my favorite. I think it started the depth of the series that really makes it what it is. The series wouldn't have been so impacting on the lives of so many people without the 6th book.
It's interesting, but a story about time travel will always result in a paradox, what kind of paradox depends on what time travel model you use, but there's always a paradox nonetheless. If you just a block universe theory, with a single time line you end have to do it one way, essentially enforcing the idea that whatever happened with your character in the past to have already have happened in the earlier section of the story, meaning that everything that happened during the narrative was fixed. This results in a paradox because it means that the future person's existence depends on the past person, and that the past person's existence depends on the future person, which totally messes with the arrow of causality.
However, if you go for the type of time travel where the outcome of the future can be affected by the person when they travel back in time i.e once the person arrives in the past there's no guarantee that things will turn out has they remember them from the future, you end up with another paradox, because if the future at will now occur is different, then it's impossible that that exact version of the person would have come to exist, so how come that person exists in the past.
This at least means a kind of multiverse theory, and a sort of co-dependence of two separate universes, one which creates that character that travels back in time, and the one where he arrives when he gets to the past. This means a sideways causality between two different universe.
It's impossible to create an entirely consistent model of what time travel would be like, each has huge illogical seems consequences.
Event A happened and then I did thing B and then thing C happened to me and then Event A happened and then I did thing B and then thing C happened to me and then Event A happened and then...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know that there's been a single time travel story that doesn't have a time paradox somewhere.
Steins;Gate. Great anime. Logically consistent time travel.
Harry has already cast the patronus
And that's what is logically impossible. Harry couldn't have cast the patronus because he couldn't have existed to cast the patronus if Harry didn't first survive the dementor attack. The prerequisites for Future Harry's existence are not met. It's a paradox.
Harry doesn't need to survive without future assistance the "first time" because there is no "first time" or "original timeline" or anything like that. There is only one timeline, unchanging, that has always included Harry's future self saving his past self.
I suppose the logic is that the loop is self-creating, Harry saved humself from the werewolf because he saved himself from the werewolf. I do however agree that the plot point is unessecarily confusing.
The idea is that they saw himself casting a patronus which means a stable loop, but buckbeak gets killed the first time around which is impossible logically.
The problem is the dementor encounter. The prerequisite for Future Harry (FH) to exist is for Past Harry (PH) to survive. If PH has not yet survived the dementor attack, then the prerequisites for FH to exist have not yet been met, and thus FH cannot save PH. That whole scenario is an inherently illogical time paradox.
Compare this to what Hermoine does with with time travel thingy. She uses it to be in two places at once. That's fine, because the chain of causality will complete itself. Hermoine finishes potions, goes back in time, and attends botany as Future Hermoine. Hermoine finishing potions is not dependent upon Hermoine attending botany, so this is not a paradox.
The reason I don't think that's a plot hole is because I think it's implied Snape was close enough on the scene to drive back the dementors and save past Harry if future Harry doesn't do it. It would be a slightly closer call obviously, but it's still feasible. Like we know Snape comes to in time to see it all go down and just not know what drives off the dementors, and I think that if that had happened, Harry still would go back in time to save Sirius and could have cast the patronus. Especially if the Snape saves him scenario would end in Sirius getting the dementors kiss by the lake.
But that timeline of Snape saving him never exists because of the time loop where he saves himself. It's not a paradox because Harry would always survive regardless and future Harry would always exist. I know JK didn't write that explicitly, but it kind of doesn't make sense to write it. Once the "time loop" is closed by Harry going back it makes no sense for the story to include a "but what could have happened" section. It would be bad writing. And anyone who is concerned with time travel logic would hopefully understand enough that the implication is "someone else saves Harry if he can't save himself".
Yes it is a time loop, but time loops are allowed to be logically sound as long as there is a way for them to form in the first place. You're calling plot hole because JK doesn't write out how the time loop forms to begin with, but that's just ambiguity not logical inconsistency.
I agree having read through the thread there was no need to down vote you, but I think your default assumption that past Harry dies without future Harry is fundamentally incorrect.
I think it's implied Snape was close enough on the scene to drive back the dementors and save past Harry if future Harry doesn't do it.
That would resolve the paradox. But, that's not written in the book. That's your head canon. I'm evaluating the book as written. And as written, it is logically impossible. I could conceive a million different ways for Harry to survive the scenario, but what I can conceive is not what is on the page. I agree with you that a loop can exist once it is logically formed and closed. However, I disagree that what Rowling wrote is adequate to accomplish this.
The thing is as soon as the time loop forms, that is what happens. The story where Snape saves Harry isn't written because it doesn't happen. Because as soon as Harry goes back, we get the loop of time that actually does happen that would nullify that existing.
But that does not make what is written logically impossible. What is written is what happened. And it's what happened because Harry goes back and makes it what happened. Just like Hermione throwing the stones through Hagrid's window and Buckbeak not being executed because time traveling Harry and Hermione drag him into the forest. If they survive to time travel the story unfolds like it did on the page. And they do survive to time travel.
You're mad that JK doesn't tell you how they survive to time travel without time traveling Harry being there to save the day. But she can't tell you what "would have happened" in any way that makes narrative sense. She can just leave it slightly open so you understand that while Harry perceives that moment as life or death, there was an alternative he didn't see.
I don't think it's a head cannon that Harry survives whether or not he time travels. The Snape part, yes, but Harry's survival is implied by the fact he is able to go back. That's not putting extra meaning onto the text that wasn't there. That's understanding the logic of JK's time travel. You can be mad there is no cannon explanation of how Harry would have survived in a time-turner-less world, but it's not a matter of "if she doesn't write it explicitly then she's created a logical fallacy".
Most good authors don't put everything on the page if it detracts from the story and is possible to understand from context. We know Mayella Ewell got beat up by her Dad and not Tom without Atticus or Harper Lee telling us so explicitly. It doesn't change our understanding of what happened because we didn't hear it narrated. Same rule applies. We understand Harry would always survive because the story's logic implies Harry would always survive, whether or not Harry consciously processes that himself for us.
First, a disclaimer: Prisoner of Azkaban is my favorite book in the series, despite the stupid time travel.
That Harry was able to go back in time to rescue himself requires that he was able to survive the dementors in order to travel back in time. As we see the first time around, one of the dementors managed to grab him and was about to perform the kiss. There is no evidence he could have survived this if not for the casting of the patronus. And if he did survive, there would have been no reason for second-time-through Harry to cast the patronus in the first place.
No condition exists where the loop could have ever sprung into being.
I have yet to see a compelling argument that this scene is in any way rational or non-paradoxical. The only justification I ever see is along the lines of "it already happened, so it happened, therefore it works".
(I initially tried to find something someone else wrote on the subject, but there appears to be disagreement over whether this is actually the bootstrap paradox and not some other kind of paradox, so I wrote my own explanation.)
wwefwef ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your description is right, but nothing in it qualifies the plot paradoxical, because nothing in it qualifies as logically impossible. Only if you think there cannot be time loops, but why shouldn't this be logically possible? What is the reason for holding fast to the principle that every event requires an independent cause? (i.e. one which it does not itself cause?) Most physicists and almost all philosophers reject this principle--the big bang and quantum indeterminacy are obvious counterexamples.
If you'd like to read more, here's a short and excellent article on the paradoxes of time travel by David Lewis. He talks about causal loops on p. 4
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, ok. I actually remember that from when I first read the book.
I feel like that has to have been a decision Rowling made. It's less "how did Ron stand up when he already stood up in the last paragraph?/Why do they never use the time turner again?" and more just "magic's not real/there's no way the Dursleys are that mean and Dumbledore never noticed". Suspension of disbelief and whatnot. I'm not saying that it's that nit-picky, just that it's on the scale somewhere.
I personally don't think it's an actual paradox. It's a closed loop so it existing isn't a paradox, just it forming. So discussing whether it's a paradox or not would end in discussing irl philosophy about predetermination. I personally believe in atheological predeterminism (I think the future is already set, but by physics, not god). But even that's less physics than it is philosophy/opinion and we've gotten a long way from harry potter so I'll stop here.
I actually think that pretty much every sci fi/fantasy time travel story has some such paradox. I always just assumed that readers were aware of it, and that they deliberately suspended such awareness in order to enjoy the story.
I have an easier time with that if itโs a story where time travel is the focus of the plot. While itโs not a dues ex machina in Harry Potter, itโs harder for me to enjoy the time travel aspect because it still feels like a cheat.
Compare it to Terminator, which has a similar temporal flaw: Time travel is a huge part of the plot, so I can excuse the flaws related to it. I also acknowledge the issues, which is something I almost never see a Harry Potter fan do. They always start making up events that never get hinted at in the books in order to try to justify it. Itโs irritating. A personal headcanon doesnโt mean it isnโt a plot hole for the rest of us.
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in the original timeline they decided to go back and save Buckbeak which ended up causing more trouble for everyone else, I believe CinemaSins spend some time unraveling it
I havenโt watched what youโre referring to, but I feel like if you start having to make up stuff the author never hinted at, you may as well admit itโs a plot hole.
RQK1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes it is a plot hole, that is why they pointed it out
RQK1996 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:41:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CinemaSins is a satyrical youtube channel that points out plot holes and continuity errors, and other stupid things in movies, they aren't reviewers, they are jerks
To me, this makes more sense than other interpretations of time travel, because I don't believe you can change the past/ The past already happened, and so did the future in a way. (According to Einstein's relativity theory, I think, time can be seen as a static "loaf" which has already happened.) Therefore someone who travels back in time can only accomplish something that has already happened.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that is the way time travel works in that universe. They did go back in time. That did happen. So you're saying something couldn't happen if something else didn't happen, but that something else did happen.
If you want HP time paradoxes, look to Hermaine's use.
NuaAun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has always weirded me out. Why does harry look older in 3rd movie but smaller in the 4th one.
Honestly you can make all sorts of arguments about time travel paradoxes if there is even a very limited way to time travel in a story. It just opens up too many causality problems. Shit, look at Primer
The problem is the dementor encounter. The prerequisite for Future Harry (FH) to exist is for Past Harry (PH) to survive. If PH has not yet survived the dementor attack, then the prerequisites for FH to exist have not yet been met, and thus FH cannot save PH. That whole scenario is an inherently illogical time paradox.
No it's not, it's a stable time loop. Think of it like a perfect circle. There's no beginning and no end. FH will always save PH, and that PH will become an FH that saves his own PH who will become an FH that saves his own PH who will become... over and over. B leads to C leads to A leads to B.
A perfect circle is not a series of events. Causality does not apply and it is not a valid analogy. You need to address how future Harry came into existence before you can create a stable time loop because his existence is dependent on past Harry's survival. Past Harry could not have survived without future Harry, so Future Harry could never have existed. The whole thing is a mess.
Let me raise a different point. Why didn't they ever try to travel back in time and kill Voldemort? The answer is, they can't. If it was going to happen it would've happened already.
Assuming no multiverse, a single timeline exists as if all time travel that is ever going to happen has already happened. There's no starting point in the loop. It exists and will always exist. As a result, an effect can be observed before the cause.
Why didn't they ever try to travel back in time and kill Voldemort?
Actually, the answer to this question emphasizes why the dementor situation is a paradox. If you've ever seen the movie Time Machine, they explain it quite succinctly. If the event that caused you to go back in time didn't happen, you would never have gone back in time. You can't go back in time to kill Voldemort because the prerequisites for you going back in time to kill Voldemort are that Voldemort did terrible things.
Likewise, Future Harry could never have existed to go back in time to save himself because the prerequisites for his existence would be Harry's survival. Harry has to survive FIRST, and THEN he can become future Harry. This needs to be addressed otherwise the loop is unstable.
a single timeline exists as if all time travel that is ever going to happen has already happened.
And all time travel within that timeline must be logically possible. You can't just wave away logical problems by saying "Well it always happened." Fine, it was always a logically impossible paradox. In the case of the dementor attack, Harry's time travel could not have happened, and could not have occurred within the timeline.
There's no starting point in the loop. It exists and will always exist.
And declaring this does nothing to address the logical problems of its own existence. I have pointed out why the loop's existence is logically impossible, and your only response is "well it always existed."
As a result, an effect can be observed before the cause.
An effect can be observed before a cause, but causality and time are two different things. Causality does work in a straight line by definition. Time, though, needn't be a straight line.
Well, I can see their point. If it only allows stable loops, then it had to be that he always saved himself, yes.
If however it doesn't, then most likely, someone else went back in time and saved Harry, making an unstable loop, then had Harry go back to save himself and locked it into a stable one, at which point he always has to go back and save himself because he already did
I used to agree with you, then I read Methods of Rationality. It's too good to spoil, but basically it explains the Time Turner in a way that makes it not only make sense, but makes it not illogical/broken.
Because most Harry Potter fans have heard this time and time again and 99% the person is just wrong. How did you explain it? Because that book is pretty sound as far as is possible with time travel (which can never really be written perfectly).
I explained it something like this: The prerequisite for Future Harry (FH) to exist is for Past Harry (PH) to survive. If PH has not yet survived the dementor attack, then the prerequisites for FH to exist have not yet been met, and thus FH cannot save PH. That whole scenario is an inherently illogical time paradox.
Compare this to what Hermoine does with with time travel thingy. She uses it to be in two places at once. That's fine, because the chain of causality will complete itself. Hermoine finishes potions, goes back in time, and attends botany as Future Hermoine. Hermoine finishing potions is not dependent upon Hermoine attending botany, so this is not a paradox.
If you can explain the dementor encounter without paradoxes, I'd be very impressed.
I got downvotes for saying that the death of Sirius Black didn't bother me as much as others because Rowling made both him and Harry very difficult to like in Order of the Phoenix.
Combining your opinions about Dragon Age and 'sex as a reward'. I'm currently really enjoying the dragon age series and feel that, in a large world RPG with a timeline that spans around 10 years (DA2), it would make sense that the character I'm playing would have relationships. I enjoy the changes in party conversations by this part of the role play.
But yes, the fact that you can only 'flirt' with NPCs who would be receptive means that the system kind of devolves the characters into sexual vending machines that pay out for choosing the right options or paying in the right compliments and gifts.
Why can't the flirt options be available with a majority of characters, and sometimes I get snubbed? Why don't characters 'flirt' with me and I'm going to have to actively work out a way to let them down whilst maybe having to find a way to still have them help in quest? It just feels like it would make it a richer system where they feel like real people with agency rather than there for masturbatory fodder.
Kaiden in ME3 ruined me ever wanting NPCs to "randomly" flirt with my character. Just thinking I am going to have lunch with my Bro, and he just drops a bomb.
Surely, if someone wanted to dedicate time to it, it could be good. But is it worth the risk of having an intensely awkward situation?
I haven't played the Mass Effect Series so not sure about the intricacies of that example.
But if a characters tell me their not interested, or I have to tell them I'm not interested, it prevents the romance part of the role play becoming, as /u/Greco412 put it, 'a "press here for sex" button.'
Noctuae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed DS2 more than DS1 as well, I didn't even realize people didn't like 2 more until I got into discussions about 3.
I actually like 2 more than 3, as well.
Dark souls 2 is mechanically and graphically superior to dark souls 1 in every way. The story is only arguably worse, but it is by no means a sure thing. Weapon variety and pvp are definitely better. You can like 1 better, but if you actually look at dark souls 2, its better in every way.
Also origins is not that good, I much prefer inquisition.
robmox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've said several times in /r/gaming that Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 were both so bad that I don't understand how anyone could enjoy Witcher 3. So far, only upvotes. This site is weird sometimes.
I made a comment in /r/childfree saying that a girl who was having issues with her boyfriend who has a young child should sit down and talk to him before she just packs up and leaves. I don't know why I thought that would go over well in that subreddit.
These last few weeks have had them focusing their ire against mombies more than getting bingoed and posting cf-friendly memes.
I actually considered making a post about that, how the sub has devolved into a bitchfest over entitled moms who can't raise their kids instead of being a support group for people who don't want to be parents themselves. I thought better of it because I value my imaginary internet points.
When I first found that sub I was like "oh cool like minded people that just don't want kids and want people to understand that that doesn't make them weird or a bad person!" But a lot of those people are nuts and some just downright mean. I stay away now for the most part.
That sub is really touch and go. Some seem to be ok and understand that choosing to be a parent doesn't automatically make you a terrible person but some hate anyone that chooses to reproduce.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really sad. Even if you don't like kids you don't want to ruin the kids childhood. Honesty from adults goes a long way.
Childfree is just people insecure about the decision to not have children and want to circle jerk and confirm that it's okay. I mean it is okay, but your body naturally wants it, so it's hard to shake the primal urge some times
Some of the stuff they spew about children/parents is hilarious. I get you don't want kids, but what's the point in hating on them? Leave them be and get on with your life!
I agree with you and would go even farther and say the Coen brothers films are all overrated. I don't get all the love for them. Intolerable Cruelty is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
Im not a huge fan of coen bros, but no country for old men is great
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most of them are overrated. I really do like The Big Lebowski although I don't know if it deserves quite as much love as it gets. Same with Fargo. I think O Brother, Where Art Thou was good, though I haven't seen it since I was 8 or so, so I could be wrong. And Burn After Reading was incredible mediocre. The other ones I've seen, I've downright disliked.
Yeah I've never been able to sit through one of their movies. I've only tried Fargo and the Big Lebowski to be fair though. So they might have made one that I would enjoy
I love their suspense films. But my sense of humor seems to be vastly different than theirs. O' Brother, Serious Man, Lebowski, Fargo, etc. I really don't enjoy them and their humor sucks ass.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never understood why people like that movie. I get in a lot of arguments about movies. I also don't like Star Wars.
You cant argue about whether or not you like a film, that is just taste. Arguing about how good a film is is a different story, maybe that is your issue.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not into fight scenes, and besides, the camera jumps around so much that I can't tell what's going on in them. Most of the dialogue in the first movie is just sloppy exposition. You don't get to know who the characters are. What are Luke's personality characteristics? We may never know. That makes me not care about the characters or anything that's happening. And besides that, I think good vs. evil is kind of a boring motivation that lets you get away with not having interesting characters.
tbh I hope disney makes some off the original main storyline star wars movies that focus a bit more on the rich history of the universe.
ceetc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't like it, you don't like it, but to me it's the type of movie that gets better and better the more times you watch it. I thought it was okay the first time, great the second, and 3+ loved it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched all the movies like five times. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to change.
Symotix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The big lebowski is okay, its not terrible not great and it makes a fine addition to a weird movie night next to iron sky.
AmyLaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually hated the movie, didn't find it funny and think it's overrated...I guess that's pretty rare here (but most of my friends hated it too so idk)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was when Stan Lee said in an interview that he didn't want Sider-Man's race or sexuality ever altered. There was a big white guy circle jerk like, 'yeah! You tell em Stan! Fuck queers!" So I posted "This just in, hundred year old man thinks things should stay the same." Most downvotes I've received so far.
wfaulk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to say Spider-Man 2099 was gay (I know he was hispanic), but I could be totally wrong. (Nope; I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure one of the 2099 characters was gay, though.)
I think he just meant Peter Parker. As far as I know, he's still the same in all of his stuff but there are things like miles morales or spider woman that are people with the same powers that aren't Stan lee's Peter Parker.
Miles Morales isn't a race-altered Peter Parker, he's his successor. Spider-Gwen and Spider-Ham are weird alternate-universes rather than the main Peter.
Almost certainly not. I'm too lazy to look for it, but if I remember correctly SM helps a kid who is being molested by telling him a story about another kid who was being molested. As he's swinging away, he says something along the lines of "little did Johnny know, I was the little kid in the story.".
It happened like 50 years ago though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iirc that actually was canon, or was made canon. i remember what you're talking about but i could be wrong.
I mean...honestly, as a member of the LGBTQ community a non-straight/cisgender A-List superhero would be nice. Unfortunately, it's probably not going to happen for a long time.
Who knows how things will turn out? Remember that before the Marvel Cinematic Universe started, none of the Avengers were A-list except maybe the Hulk.
I'm not going to downvote you, but if I had seen that comment, I probably would have downvoted it. Seems like you were misrepresenting what he said.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't the context of the quote Lee saying he didn't want Peter Parker altered as it would change too much? He didn't say no Non-Peter Parker Spider-Man hence all the versions.
To be fair, Peter Parker should stay the same as that would change a lot of interactions he has, which doesn't work when you get to know the character as intimately as you do Peter. That said, I love Miles Moralis and think he deserves his own movie at some point. But I do think that comment is hilarious, despite him and Ditko being the more progressive comic book writers/artists at the time.
If you aren't from the US you have an excuse. It's not like we learn other countries province capitals. But if you're from the US you should have learned that by 5th grade, and no later.
I know the capitals of all the Canadian provinces! :D
Warpato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair if you're not living in New York it's completely useless information to retain/know and has absolutely no bearing on anything....and I say that as someone who loves geography
There was a local news story that involved a local mailman pepper-spraying a 10-pound daschund mix because he felt "threatened" by its barking. I got down voted for suggesting that if you feel "threatened" by 10-pound dogs you maybe aren't cut out to be a mailman. Like, who thinks that pepper spraying a tiny dog is a defendable action? And I'm saying that as somebody who was attacked by a Shih Tzu as a child.
My friend had a dachshund growing up. That thing was mean. They didn't really discipline it properly and let it walk all over them. So it barked, and snapped and bit people all the time. Except for me. Because I bopped it on the snout when it tried that shit and I stared that little shit down so he knew not to duck with me any more. Some people have no idea that taking care of dogs properly requires discipline. You can't really reason with dogs. Bad behavior must be punished, and good behavior rewarded. Which is not to say be abusive towards your dogs, but you do have to let them know who is boss.
With all that said, I think a mailman is perfectly right in pepper spraying a ten pound puppy. Mailmen shouldn't have to deal with dog bites. Even little dogs fucking hurt when they bite. And they mailman doesn't know whether the dog is rabid or not, or anything else about it except that it's trying to bite him.
If the owner has a dog that is going to attack a mailman, they need to deal with the problem. The mailman has a job to do, and babysitting special snowflake dogs that are trying to bite is not part of it.
The dog in question was well-trained and friendly. And yeah a small dog could maybe break the skin if it got you good, but you will never see the headline "Man Mauled to Death by Loose Daschund". It's just an overreaction for that kind of dog is what I'm saying.
Any mailman that pepper sprays a dog not acting aggressively is an asshole, no argument there. However, I think mailmen shouldn't have to put up with being bit at all, regardless of how big or small the dog. Nor should they have to worry about tailoring their reaction to the size of the dog. It's their job to deliver mail, not to get chewed on because "its only a little dog."
I told some folks over at /r/futurology that journalists hadn't all been replaced by robots. Got downvoted and spammed with a hundred links to the same story about algorithms automatically writing/posting news storiesโwhich I already knew about, since I'm one of the humans that gathers information to plug into some of these article writers. The tech isn't quite there to fully replace human journalists and frankly never will be unless autonomous robots learn how to navigate incredibly complex locations to find just the right people to talk to and ask just the right questions. It'll be a human job for a long time, but I guess that spoiled their image of the "future".
FourO40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly one of the things I look for in journalism is personality.
Some guys are just very good at putting together articles that make you know who wrote it without seeing an author tag.
Robots replacing journalism would suck big time for me.
o11c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically, all those Redditors could easily be replaced by robots.
I got downvoted for a comment I made about a wife who had been cheating on her husband with another man. I replied to a commenter who was blaming the other man and saying stuff like "if I was her husband I'd have beat the shit out of that guy".
I commented saying that we didn't know the full story and that it was possible that the other man didn't even know that the woman was married. Got met with a load of downvotes for that.
Yeah. I see that a lot on the subreddit. It's one thing to make fun of a arrogant asshole and another thing to make fun of someone who clearly need help and guidance that they were probably robbed of while growing up. Reminds me of Craig Ferguson's speech.
Paedor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:55:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what we all forget is that when people are bullied it's usually that kind of person. Even if they're cringy as fuck we shouldn't jump on them to the extent we do.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the audience. There's a difference between a national audience and in the car with your friends. Is a celebrity ever going to find out what a 20 something year old from Iowa said about their dogshit movie to his boss? Probably not.
It's funny, I used to actually like Kevin Costner before I actually met him, but that was 20 years ago, so I try not hold it against him. It's not like he gave me VD or anything.
_ooze_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I first came across that subreddit I found it entertaining, but then I started coming across outright mean comments and it turned me off.
Some of those commenters imo are just as "cringy" and mean as the subjects of the stories.
ch0a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A large portion of the posts on there are screenshots of jokes between friends and the only cringy thing is what oblivious people comment on the threads.
There was a TIL thread about Limp Bizkit filming a video on top of the World Trade Center. My comment was "I wish the planes would have hit the day they were filming"
I laughed but I still wouldn't say that's unreasonable down voting.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good joke, but still totally justified in being downvoted.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What difference does it make though. Fact remains that over 2,000 people died and none of them were Limp Bizkit. And if he was going for a joke, which it sounds like he was, then saying something like "I wish he'd gotten the flu that day" isn't funny.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea this sub existed and upon visiting it I laughed my ass off at every single post I saw. I think it's definitely fair to assume I am going to hell.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:24:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you knew the risks when you posted that.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:28:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you can understand why you got downvoted, though, even if you think it wasn't justified. Jokes about events that kill thousands of people don't always play that well.
Well there's plenty of jokes about the Iran and Afghanistan invasions, a few more people were killed there but those jokes play well for some reason.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's not America.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know of many such jokes. If you're talking about puns and stuff, there's a difference between making a pun based on someone's name and suggesting that someone ought to have died in a tragic event (no matter how bad their music is).
Thanks. People just need to understand that it was a joke, plane and simple.
robmox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sonuvabitch.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not unreasonable, but I would have upvoted it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is pretty unreasonable. I think people know that that you were joking (who would want the planes to actually crash lol) but the wanted to act offended. Or maybe I just don't take things so seriously and other people were actually offended at a joke
I have decided that is entirely up to the first vote. A 0 will get another -1 and a 2 will get another +1. It's just how Reddit works most of the time.
I agree. I frequent call of duty subreddits and they can't seem to decide what they want. I'll see one opinion prevail in one thread and literally an hour from then see a thread that is the polar opposite of what the last thread was.
There's a subreddit (probably /r/cats) where you get banned for saying anything other than the word "cat." Every post has hundreds of comments that say cat, and there's always one that has hundreds of downvotes. It's pretty funny.
Reddit can be pretty fickle about a lot of things. Not long ago, Jennifer Lawrence could do no wrong as far as Reddit was concerned; now it seems there is a huge chunk of Reddit that hates her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about timing, arms comments have been out of fashion for months. You can still get a Colby the dog comment in and dat Boi references are still vogue.
It all hinges on the reaction of the first few people reading and voting on it. If it gets to 5 points or so then it might continue to go up and up, but if it gets to -5 then you can be almost certain that it will go down further as people jump on the bandwagon.
It used to be the common Reddit comment that I hated the most, but the elaborate stories that lead up to something about a serious tag piss me off the most.
4tchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not as bad as 'this'
d23lee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it's time for that reference to die. Unfortunately, everytime I see the broken arms thing posted, it has a bunch of upvotes. But glad to see some people are finally getting tired of it.
AmyLaze ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:35:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got dozen of downvotes for saying I loved TW3 but thought its main story sucked. No one dared to actually discuss it with me, they just hit the downvote button.
I'll actually partially agree with you. I didn't think the main story sucked per se, but I enjoyed all the sidequest storylines much more. I think Geralt is in his prime when dealing with 'smaller' situations instead of grand, sweeping stories.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kind of with you here. Yeah the story is great but the gameplay is just the same thing since the tutorial. I still haven't finished it because I always get bored half way through.
icos211 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What difficulty do you play on? It honestly gets more fun the higher you set it, because the whole thing with the Witcher series' gameplay is planning and preparation. While 3 isn't as hard on this as 2, you need to go into every single fight with a plan and supplies that are appropriate for that specific enemy, as well as have practice and skill in different ways of fighting (such as dealing with swarms vs. lumbering boss-types). I'm a huge Witcher fanboy, though, so the dealing with potions and oils and reading through the bestiary and such is honestly a huge part of the fun for me. Plus Gwent.
I got bored with the gameplay too. I still plan on eventually going back, but it just seemed like something I'd rather not put my time into ATM.
Symotix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really enjoyed it. Maybe that's because I yearned for the kind if elements and story that it had, but I wouldn't say its a perfect game. If you're not into that kind of game, you don't look at it with pink glasses like most people, I can see why you might think its overated.
Same with Infinite. Loved BioShock, but Infinite's gameplay was so bad I almost didn't finish. I legit had to turn it on easy just to get through it quicker because I didn't want to finish it.
It's the first massively popular game in years that I just genuinely didn't like. I find the majority of the characters annoying/completely blank, the story just seems dreary, and I couldn't stand the combat and movement systems. The graphics were the only thing going for it, to me.
Different people, different games I suppose :p
Did you give a reason? I think when you post a highly controversial opinion without backing it up whatsoever, people will probably think you're trolling or just trying to be edgy.
Edit: a word, and im not saying you should have been downvoted, just discussing why you may have been.
Even that would not have helped. Witcher 3 is THE game of last year. Plus the studio that made that game CDPR is much loved.
You had the odds against you mate.
Verbism ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:38:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The question was something like "What is the best thing you can get for $5?" Apparently "A handjob" was not an appreciated answer by the fine people of reddit.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:42:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eptar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a thread yesterday, "What's the most fun you can have for a dollar?", or something along those lines. You just gotta say "A really sad handjob." to get those upjobs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A short reply on /r/gaming saying that consoles were better than PCs for mobility. I can bring an xbox to and from the dorm much easier than a PC.
It got to around -40. I still get irrationality angry when people rail on consoles for no reason.
FourO40 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:10:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably because the "mobility" in question was probably misunderstood.
When I think of mobile gaming I think of being able to take your device with you and play your games while on a car or bus ride, or playing games while on a lunch break at school or work, etc. like playing games on a phone or tablet.
In that sense a console is no more mobile than a PC.
I voiced my opinion about a certain twist we all saw coming in Game of Thrones this season. Namely, the end of the second episode. Everyone else on the subreddit was like 'PRAISE JESUS!!!' While I... I rolled my eyes and was a little disappointed in the obvious plot armour and the fact that nobody else would be getting such special treatment. My comment just asked if I was the only one disappointed by the twist. Got downvoted into oblivion. Haven't gone back to the sub since.
I 100% agreed with you, I thought it was a bit of a cop out from the show writers giving in to popular opinion. Every other character who dies stayed dead. Just happened to be that this one was wildly popular.
Cop out from the show writers? It's telegraphed in the books, it's happening, it's a major event and of course they're going to include it in the show. Blame GRRM if you want, even though I disagree at least you'd be blaming the right person.
I somewhat agree. But it's not so out of the realm of possibility, since resurrection was established as a possibility a long time ago with Beric
ETA - BOOK SPOILER
WIth the Sir Dondarrion thing, not ALL characters stay dead. Lady Stoneheart...
I haven't even read the books and know that there are many, many characters that have "died" but do not stay dead.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:03:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once commented about how Reddit is adamantly pro-gay, but when it comes to trans rights, most people act like Tumblr invented transexuals and go on these huge rants about the First Amendment and whatnot, but never actually bother doing research on it because they're too mentally frail in anticipation of their majority opinions actually being completely wrong. 0 to -100 real quick.
In what way? In terms of footballing skill then yeah you were flat out wrong. I haven't researched but maybe the Ladies team have won more trophies and are better in comparison to the other teams in their league than the men's team. But given you just said they were better than the men I can't give you much sympathy.
(Yeah I know you're only supposed to downvote if it doesn't contribute to the discussion but let's face it that's not common practice and the opinion you shared was ignorant on a level to not contribute to any meaningful discussion anyway).
I mean, you can't really tell if they don't play each other. The only way to compare men and women's sporting abilities is through things like track times, where men hold almost all the records.
Many teams do actually play each other. For example the Swedish ladies national team frequently plays U17 swedish boys clubs.
Most games the U17 wins by 5+ goals which proves the difference in quality.
I somtimes get downvoted for being European and pro-gun. And I usually get loads of shitty comparisons that assume I want American gang levels of gun violence, when what I really want is just the right to own a self defense weapon under strict regulation.
Are you a unicorn? But in all seriousness, props to you man. As a bit of a story, my grandfather's friend moved to Germany and wanted a gun. He went to a police station and asked where he could get one. They laughed at him and simply said, "Why do you need a gun? Call us and we'll be there in 2 minutes." I feel that most people who say something like that don't realize is that 10 seconds is all it takes. It's also incredibly convenient that the only people that are allowed to carry guns want to delegitimize the claims of those who aren't allowed to be armed.
Edit: I also wanted to mention that it's comical that those people claim that you want American levels of gang violence, because what they seem to realize is that over 90% of those gangs that are using guns are owning them illegally. Gun control sure helped get the guns out of the gangs!
My biggest problem is the argument that criminals can be better trusted with the lives of law-abiding citizens, than vice versa. After Bataclan I was talking with friends, and mentioned the way Israel handles random attacks. They encourage citizens to carry their weapons, and their security guards are armed. Immediately one said that "more guns equals more deaths". I had to point out that they killed 100+ people, and that was exactly what they intended to do. An armed person isn't going to escalate that situation. It escalated a long time ago.
There's this idea that if you keep calm and quiet, the criminals will simply not harm you. Maybe in an ideal world, but in an ideal world they wouldn't be robbing you in the first place. Frankly, I think it's a bit demagogue-y to suggest that people who haven't broken any laws can't be trusted with guns, but people who breaks laws as a matter of course can.
All I'm asking for is a limited range of handguns available for self-defense, and a mandatory license with courses. We trust poorly paid police officers with minimal range-time with guns, and it only barely goes wrong. In fact, our only mass shooting incident happened because the police dropped the ball. Of course, the responsible politician wasted no time in implicating law-abiding users and tried to push through more laws.
Our deadliest attack to date was commited with a car.
Gun control didn't get guns out of the gangs because we've never had effective gun control. The NRA and the rest of the gun lobby would never allow gun control measures to be put in place. There was a time when the NRA was a good, non-political organization that just protected gun rights. Now it's entirely under the thumb of weapon manufacturers.
Despite the stereotype, I think a lot of Americans would want the same thing.
Ran4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One leads to the other though. And I'm sure you're aware of that.
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:03:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got this once saying that I like guns but people should be taught how to correctly use and store them. Countless down votes and comments "educating" me about my stupid views from the pro-gun crowd. I don't get it.
As someone pro-gun, very pro-gun, I apologize for those assholes. I firmly believe everyone who owns one should know how to properly use and store them! This will probably get me downvoted lol but whatever. I'm 6 months along with my son, and we plan on drilling it in to him pretty early about gun safety, are never ever toys, etc.. I want to start taking him to the range with me around 9 or 10 and teach him how to properly handle and shoot.
There was an incident a few years back in my hometown where a 13 year old boy and his mother were tied up in a home invasion. The intruder had them tied in the master bedroom and left them for a few minutes to I guess ransack their stuff. The little boy managed to get loose, slam and lock the master door. His dad had taught him how to load and fire his 9mm. Little boy retrieved it, and shot the intruder (who by then was trying to kick the door in) through the bedroom door. Probably saved him and his mother's life. I'd be so damn proud of my kid, man. And it was all because his daddy worked with him and made sure he was knowledgable and comfortable in the event he needed to use it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the same boat. At this point, guns are so widely available and to completely get rid of them would take years. I think it would be better to have mandatory education in schools for gun safety and how to treat them with respect (most schools already have Drivers Ed). It's also not the guns that scare me. It's the people who think just because they're easily accessible means that they are qualified to carry.
He killed someone in defense of his and his mother's lives. Someone that was hopped on on drugs and they had no way of knowing if he'd KILL THEM. someone who had invaded their home and tied them up. That's completely justifiable.
How do you not get protecting yourself and your family? The chances of a 13 year old boy (who was home sick, for the record, this happened during the day) being able to take down a fully grown, methed out man are slim to none. He did what he had to do.
Aiurar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly curious what your qualm here is.
Situation: a person forces their way into your home and ties you and your family members up in the same room, presumably with force. They then proceed to steal/destroy most of your property unopposed. You escape and separate yourself from them momentarily with a locked door...
Would you rather the kid here sit back and let himself get beaten to death? Is it more morally righteous somehow to let a burglar kill you rather than violently respond to their clear and present threat? A door won't last anywhere near long enough for law enforcement to do anything other than catalogue the bodies.
What would you actually do?
For me, if you have broken into my home and threatened me or my family, your life is my concern only after my family is safe. The best way to ensure that safety quickly is a serious wound, and a gun minimizes the danger to my own person in such a conflict. Unfortunately, shooting to disable is more risky than shooting to kill, so in the heat of the moment a chest or abdomen shot is the safest way to go.
I get it, it sucks when anyone dies, but I'm willing to admit that I'm selfish enough to refuse limiting my options for self-preservation based on a stranger's life once they've committed violence against me.
I get your point completely, and I'd definitely do anything I can if someone pointed a gun at my loved ones. I just think the entire notion that you can actually hold someone's life in your own hands so weird.
And that a boy just took it... I would never be proud, even if I successfully protected my loved ones. I guess I get it in a literal sense, just not you know morally? That you can actually kill someone.
Anyway thanks for your long reply
Aiurar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hardly comment about guns because there are some really unreasonable pro-gun people. I think there should be a limit on the number of handguns a person can own, and there should be a mandatory training course before you can buy a gun.
I think this is perfectly reasonable but the gun people think there should be zero restrictions because of the 2nd amendment.
I'm legitimately curious as to why you think the number should be limited. Ten guns aren't more dangerous than one gun, unless perhaps you also happen to have ten arms. And what if I have heirlooms/antiques that I want to keep for sentimental reasons, but I don't want to subject them to the strain of repeated use? Should I have to sell my grandfather's revolver because I'd prefer to carry something that's not an antique?
Are people currently required to take a gun safety course before handling a gun in the US? Because if not then that seems like a reasonable measure to take as well as requiring your license to be on you at any time you're firing a weapon. Safety is key.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea. I'm an Aussie and although I lived in the USA for a few years I'd never dare talk about guns with an American
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a subject that many Americans are passionate about (for and against) and when you're a happy middle ground it's best to avoid all talk of guns. I'm not into confrontation or debate either way, and I don't mean it as an attack on Americans, it just seems a very inflammatory topic at the best of times.
Are people currently required to take a gun safety course before handling a gun in the US?
Before handling, like picking up to look at or shoot? No.
Depending on the state, there are licenses and restrictions for buying a gun. In my state, Florida, for instance, I can go to the local gun store and purchase a long gun(rifle/shotgun) and take it home that same day, after filling out a background check form and passing said check.
For a handgun, there is a three day waiting period. You go to the store and pick out and pay for the gun, but you are not allowed to take it home until three days later. It is a law that is in theory supposed to prevent a husband/wife/bf/gf from going out and buying a handgun and murdering their spouse/bf/gf.
When it comes to concealed carry, there is a license, as well(in most states); and there is most likely a class you must take and pass before you can get a CCW licence.
As someone born and raised around guns with my Grandparents owning a cattle ranch and my cousins living in Midland, Texas, I would not be opposed to a mandatory Gun Safety course with a test at the end like a Drivers test, including Range time so they have controlled experience handling a gun before they take it home. I would be all for something like that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe you.
Liniis ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 15:13:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same when I point out that not all police officers are Nazis.
You're either a racist who supports cops killing minorities, or you're a pussy cuck anarchist.
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 14:50:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pro second amendment, but understand the need for gun control to some degree.
Whenever I get into a Reddit argument about it, people say they want guns banned by the government because they kill people. That argument is fine but if you feel that way, you need to be fine with the government banning alcohol and cigarettes. They kill a lot more people a year than guns and cause a greater strain on society.
There's a big difference in that alcohol and cigarettes predominantly kill the people who choose to use them, rather than bystanders. The effect of smoking on non-smokers has in most of the developed world lead to widespread bans on smoking indoors and even in cars in some places.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of gun deaths are by suicide..
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:13:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are roughly 9,000 deaths in the US from drunk driving and roughly 11,000 murders from guns.
The point I'm making is that a lot of people argue that guns should be banned because they kill people. They just need to accept that other things that cause deaths should be banned as well.
I see what you're saying, but it's still a flawed comparison, because simply driving drunk is banned, not just killing someone with your car while drunk.
Is firing a gun outside of a designated area illegal? Genuine question, because that should make them more similar.
It varies from state to state, but there's unlawful discharge, intentional/negligent/careless discharge, illegal use of a weapon, and reckless discharge.
Yup. You can get in big trouble for firing a gun off in most cities, near highways/interstates, or just being in the wrong place. You can also get slapped with secondary charges for causing a panic if there are people around.
Basically a Gun is only legal for self defense, target shooting in designated areas, and hunting. Use of a firearm outside of those three by the public is gonna end up with tickets or arrests.
Also take into consideration that the statistics on Gun deaths aren't just murders. They include accidents and in some cases suicides. Just like how Alcohol related deaths may include things that aren't strictly drunk driver killing bystanders.
And I guess my addition to their points is: If you ban guns outright you might as well ban things that are just as dangerous and just as "unhelpful" to the country.
I'm all for improving the quality of our background checks in the US, but there's a whole can of worms associated with anything regulating the tracking or outright banning of them. I'm not sure there's budget or manpower enough to enforce those things let alone the support to pass such laws.
They include accidents and in some cases suicides.
You've got it backwards. There are about 11k gun suicides a year in America, and only about 600 "accidental" gun deaths. I put accidental in quotes, as most are truthfully due to negligence, not accident.
Guns (specifically handguns) are a terrible idea for self defense though. Unless you're trained to use them you won't get much mileage out of your glock when someone charges at you with a knife.
Even police officers oftentimes think they're safe because they have a gun even though they are not. It's possible for a trained officer to be stabbed by a man running at him from 7 meters away before he can draw and fire his gun.
Even if he does get the shot off in time it's not likely to stop the threat in time unless he hits a nerve (or the brain).
For a gun to be effective for self defense you'd need to have the gun drawn before a life threatening scenario and you'd need to place your shots very well (unless you're using a rifle/shotgun). It can also be useful as a deterrent but that only works on sane people and in the case of sane people you usually have time to react.
Not to say police officers shouldn't carry guns (obviously they should), but they should also be aware of their limitations and impracticality in close quarters and so should the general public.
If I'm wrong or made a mistake anywhere please tell me and I will reply.
Aldwood ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point then becomes we need to ban alcohol since it leads to drunk driving.
Did you see my post above? I don't think we should ban guns.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:41:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a valid comparison,
Alchohol-> Drunk driving
Guns-> Gun murders
Both kill innocent bystanders through the actions of people. Gun murder is banned, Drunk Driving is banned. Both are only possible through the medium of choice, ban alchohol-> No drunk driving
Ban guns-> no gun murders. I don't understand how this isn't a valid comparison at all.
ihj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Object: Alcohol-> can be dangerous and is strictly regulated in most states
Action: Drunk Driving->illegal activity, with much time and money is spent curbing the activity through strict enforcement and additional laws
Object: Guns-> can be dangerous and NOT strictly regulated in most states
Action: Gun Murders->illegal activity, with less time and money spent curbing the activity, and specific laws blocking enforcement.
/u/hey_listen_link is trying to say we should actually try to treat the two threats to safety the same, and suggesting we ban guns is as much of a non-starter as alcohol prohibition.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're on your own property, or at a range, it's fine besides the obvious stuff like noise complaints from nearby neighbors. If you're in someone else's property (who doesn't consent to your popping off rounds into their back fence), or public property, shit becomes very illegal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Firing a gun in public is banned and can get you multiple charges. Besides the discharging a firearm in a public place you can get brandishing, gross negligence, inciting panic, disturbing the peace, possible manslaughter and property damage, and much more. Depending on the state some can get you for illegal open carry, others for illegal concealed carry, others for not having a gun in a case or locked up with a trigger or barrel lock.
Doesn't seem like that flawed of a comparison. Gun deaths happen because people have guns and then do illegal things with them. Drunk driving deaths happen because people have alcohol and then do illegal things while consuming it.
If you banned guns you would reduce gun deaths. If you banned alcohol you would reduce drunk driving deaths.
There aren't "designated areas," for shooting guns in most jurrisdictions, but there are scenarios and places where it's definitely illegal to draw, brandish, or discharge a firearm. It's not like you can stroll around downtown popping shots off in the air for no good reason.
It's different. Being charged with only drunk driving means you were not legally allowed to be operating the vehicle at all.
That's a separate charge from actually killing someone in that state.
For it to be similar, the comparison would have to be:
1) People who were not legally permitted to operate a firearm vs people who were not legally permitted to operate a vehicle
2) People who killed someone with a firearm vs people who killed someone with a vehicle
The comparisons get kind of tricky. There's also the issue of intent vs accidents/negligence. Then if you consider the purpose/intended use, it gets even trickier. This is why I dislike the comparisons between things like alcohol/cars/drunk driving and firearms. They may share some points that can be compared, but that doesn't mean they're good comparisons in support of or against the other.
Well, the point of a gun is to kill someone/something
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Driving is legal. Gun ownership is legal.
Drunk driving is illegal. Murder is illegal.
They're both legal to own, but can be used illegally.
aezart ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see the argument, but a car is not designed first and foremost as a killing device. A gun is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about a car. It's about alcohol. And alcohol is specifically designed to remove inhibitions and limit good judgement.
A gun is designed specifically to fire a bullet. That might be hunting, sport shooting (I own a gun for target shooting-- I would never use it for hunting or home defense), or self defense.
Alcoholic beverages are specifically designed for the affect they have on a person. That effect is the same thing that makes them dangerous. Alcohol can be used responsibly, but even then the purpose is just to experience the effects in a more moderate manner. I don't really see any difference.
It does when considering intent. The vast majority of car related deaths are not intentional. It's an unfortunate risk of driving, not a purposeful design. Cars are being advanced and being legally required to have more and more safety features that prevent those deaths as well.
Also cars are used all the damn time to get around. Guns are only used recreationally and for malicious intents. How many people do you know that get up in the morning and pop a few at the range on their way to work and back home?
Yeah, I thought about bringing that up. Depending on where you live, they're pretty much a necessary part of life for a major portion of the population. Not to mention commercial use for transporting goods and such. In the US, we'd need to essentially rebuild our primary transportation network to properly compensate for a lack of cars.
You even made it sound simple to get rid of all cars. 90% of our infrastructure revolves around cars. You'd have to find a good alternative, get rid of most of our current infrastructure AND build a completely new one. It's downright impossible to get rid of cars without drastically reducing standards of living.
I do realize that there is also a big practical difference when it comes to banning cars vs banning guns--Many of us wouldn't know how to live our lives without cars. We use them for going to work, for going everywhere. But most of our lives wouldn't change without guns. (Yes, we were fine before the invention of cars, but now we've gotten dependent on them).
How many people do you know that pop a few rounds at the range twice a day 5 days a week? And how many of gun related death's are accidental vs intentional compared to cars?
I would agree with the alcohol comparison, but banning alcohol actually increases consumption and greatly increases related accidents. This doesn't hold up for guns.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a result, not necessarily a goal. A better explanation of the purpose of alcohol would be things like relaxation and personal enjoyment. That could be linked to removing inhibitions, but I wouldn't say removing inhibitions is a specific goal. It's the resulting fun/relaxation that comes with that.
Even if we accept your proposed design purposes, I'm not sure how you're going to compare something designed to remove inhibitions with something designed to kill.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A better explanation of the purpose of alcohol would be things like relaxation and personal enjoyment.
No, alcohol is designed to impair a person's mental state. People use this to help relax, or some people enjoy it as a hobby, some people like to brew their own drinks, etc. Some people, though, consume alcohol illegally, and knowingly endanger others.
Guns are designed to destroy things. People use this to help relax, or or for sport, or as collectors items, etc. Some people, though, use them illegally as a weapon against other people.
They're both tools. They both have good uses and bad. They can both be used responsibly and be used negligently or maliciously.
Alcohol is not designed to impair mental states. It does that, but the specific goal is not that when being made. No one drinks alcohol thinking "I want to impair my mental state". They get it for relaxing, having fun, etc.
Guns are specifically designed with the goal of causing damage to things. Specifically, they were created as a weapon for injuring or killing. That is why they exist. Some people now enjoy them as a hobby or for sport, but that argument is not one of the arguments used for keeping them legal or as a right of the people. So, we're back to the purpose of killing or injuring a target.
Your analogy is better used to a further degree though. People drive that have no business driving. You will never ban all guns, but you can have much more stringent mental testing , etc. same with cars, one driving test at 16, and I can drive for life? People with anger control issues driving, people texting and driving (even police!) these need correction as well...
I think this is the key. Guns are very dangerous, but as with cars, can be handled safely in knowledgeable and attentive hands (though I have to admit, I'm always going to be incredibly nervous if I know there's a gun in a room with me.) I think that licensing, safety training, and mental state/criminal assessment are important.
I do know people who want full bans on guns, just as I know people who want zero regulation at all. But I think there's always a reasonable middle ground.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Drunk driving is banned and eventually all non-computer controlled commuting will be too. I don't see the conflict.
Are we sticking to just murders? How about suicide? Look that number up. Also. It fits into the argument of 'doing it to themselves' as mentioned for alcohol and cigarettes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about the suicide numbers
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:23:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you might get in trouble for driving an unlicensed vehicle on the roads
Saying "the number of deaths by guns where the victim didn't want it isn't even half" really doesn't convince me, and I doubt it will convince many others.
They should ban shooting people indoors and in cars!
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:26:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, let's ban knives with a blade longer than two inches and believe that all the criminals will follow that law. Guess what, firearm banning in the UK led to higher violent crime. I would not be out on the street at night in, say, Preston or London, at least not in the bad areas. You will guaranteed be mugged/murdered/assaulted. I know this because it happened, and in a nicer area of town. Mugged. I beat the ever-loving shit out of him. But seriously, banning the ownership of weapons makes crime even worse. This was while I went there to see relatives over a three-week period.
itz4mna ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our knife laws aren't that bad, you're not allowed to carry a blade longer than three inches unless you have a good reason for it, like a chef or a sailor. Also, have you ever actually been to London? Yeah there's some shit parts of London but there's shit parts of every major city, per capita we have far, far less gun crime than in the US. Unless you've actually lived in a shit part of London then you have as much grounds to comment as I do for places like Detroit.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I got mugged in a "safer" part of Manchester, you seem to be ignoring that. This, and as soon as guns got banned, knife crime exploded. The banning of longer knives really doesn't do much, as knives are very easy to conceal, so the only way to really find a well-hidden illegal knife is an unwarranted search.
CWM_93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any good stats to point us to? It wouldn't surprise me if knife crime increased and gun crime decreased after gun control came in, but did it balance out? If the overall homicide and violent crime rate per capita went down in response, then that would indicate the plan was a success, right?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CWM_93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are interesting articles which I'm reading, but neither seem to speak to the claim that knife crime in the UK exploded after the gun control was introduced.
The second link shows knife and gun crime increasing very slightly, and homicides increasing slightly after a decade's long decline from 1000 to 500ish, which is pretty inconclusive. Gun controls weren't changed in 2015 to my knowledge. How much of this could be attributed to cuts in police resources is unclear.
I'll have a look at the first link in more detail later. I'll say straight out though that I'm wary about using stats from regions of the USA to comment on crime in the UK. Conceal carry and gun purchasing laws in a specific region don't speak to the general availability of guns, as it's trivial to carry a gun in your car from one US state to another in order to commit a crime, while in the UK getting access to guns is uniformly difficult, and getting them across borders from elsewhere in Europe is more difficult than taking them from state to state in the US.
I'll take a particularly long look at the national study cited - that one look particularly interesting. Thanks!
A bit of an exaggeration there, no? I've been out at night in places with a reputation for being rough loads and nothings ever happened to me, nor anyone else I know. Also, isn't the violent crime increase more to do with the UK changing their definition of violent crime rather than it actually increasing?
It's worth noting though, I don't think the UK and the US are really comparable in this situation due to the fact the we never really had many firearms to start with.
I would not be out on the street at night in, say, Preston or London, at least not in the bad areas. You will guaranteed be mugged/murdered/assaulted.
This is a joke right?
I regularly go out in London, walking the street with just my boyfriend in poorly lit areas with very few other people, to get between different areas when the tube is closed for the night. I have never been mugged in my life. In fact I can't think of any friends of mine who have ever been mugged, and all do similar behavior.
Much more effective on paper but there are countries who have successfully pulled off a 'prohibition' type approach to guns. Obviously the US would be a massive scale project just because of how many people you have but it's possible.
Prohibition on alcohol was difficult because people love their drank and you can make that drank in a bathtub. Making guns in a bathtub is markedly harder.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is not possible in the US. We produce shit tons of guns, we have the equipment to produce guns easily, we have millions and millions of guns already, we employ thousands and thousands of qualified gunsmiths.
Guns aren't difficult to produce if you have even the most basic tools and knowledge needed for metal fabrication.
I find that the prevailing hive mind doesn't respond well to feeling like it's been cornered in a hypocritical position. It tends to respond by downvoting the problem and hoping nobody notices.
How about cars, better analogy because a person careless with a car can kill others. And people in cars kill thousands more than people with guns every year.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are we gonna do when a sled driving car kills a man? Gonna have to go all iRobot on their asses
I haven't made up my mind about guns, but accidental poisonings kill thousands more people (about 48,000 each year in the USA, according to the CDC), and nobody makes a fuss about that.
This makes me extra upset when people think that my well behaved friendly dog should be automatically euthanized due to his breed, despite the fact that all dogs of all breeds combined kill only 20 to 40 people a year. (Very sad for those individuals, but far lower than pretty much any other cause of death one can think of).
Eptar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree entirely. As someone who is pro-gun, I feel like it's safe to say that we don't need AK-47s to defend ourselves.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a False Analogy.
The right to consume what you want and the right to own a weapon are two separate debates. I'm not leaning either way on the 2nd amendment, but if you intend to argue something you aught to do it logically.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the illogical route
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you can never win an arguement.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you know it's impossible to win an argument against a stupid person. So I win
Honestly, I don't care. Guns allow people to commit mass murder in a matter of seconds. Guns are an instrument if murder, plain and simple. They are meant to cause harm.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just showed a large amount of ignorance about guns and invalidated most every point you made before this to most everyone.
You were comparing a gun to a spoon. Yeah, they're both tools to reach a goal, but the comparison ends there. That's what I don't care about. Using a benign, harmless object and comparing a gun to it is manipulative and tricky. It's meant to make the gun seem harmless as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are telling me a .22 is made to kill people? You might as well claim a $5 swiss army knife is made for butchering corpses.
And cause mass murder in seconds? Really? I don't think you have ever shot a gun before if you think that is a reasonable claim.
If you want to make a valid stance against gun ownership you need to use more realistic points in your argument. Perhaps some believable examples which might require you actually learn something about guns that doesn't come from hollywood action movies.
The difference here is that if you look at someone funny, they can't throw their beer at you and kill you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't drunkenly drive my gun down a road and run over your family either.
ihj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can drunkenly shoot your family with a gun or soberly leave it unlocked for your child to accidently shoot themselves.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't mix guns and booze. Just like you shouldn't mix booze and driving
ihj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right.
soberly leave it unlocked for your child to accidentally shoot themselves.
Cars and driving are regulated. I can't go buy a car without providing a license to the dealer, but I can legally buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. I can have my car impounded if found to be driving without a license, but if I have an unlicensed gun I get to keep it. I can have my car impounded if driving drunk too.
The point is there are a lot of people, myself included, that believe that guns should have enforced regulations. Guns are designed to cause damage to whatever is in front of the muzzle, and many are specifically designed to cause life ending damage to human beings. It's not about whether mixing booze and guns or driving is a bad idea, which we agree on.
q1s2e3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:25:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guns are used pretty much only to kill things. Cars' main purpose is to get you from one place to another.
Guns are mostly used for sport, like target shooting. The amount of people that use guns for killing are way less than the people that use their guns for fun.
q1s2e3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Target shooting is just practicing what guns are actually for (which is killing). If that was all you did you might as well just get a BB gun or even a nerf gun or something. Primarily the legal things guns are used for are either hunting for sport or for self defense. If you use a gun for self defense and are any kind of responsible gun owner, then you assume that when you point a gun at someone, you are planning to kill them. If you want a gun for those reasons, fine. But don't pretend that their primary use is for anything other than killing.
I'm not saying that they weren't designed for that, just that in America the majority of gun use is at a gun range. Target shooting is not practice for killing, it is just shooting at targets. You can find the act stress relieving, or it can be fun. It's like throwing darts, are dart players practicing for dart murders? No they are having fun, or trying to get better at something they enjoy.
q1s2e3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then use a BB gun. It's pointless to have a thing meant for killing legal just to use it for target practice. Should heroin be sold over the counter just because some people could potentially use it for scientific research? And darts are much more harmless than guns, that's a joke comparison. You obviously don't take guns seriously and I wouldn't trust you with one. I understand other arguments for gun ownership but yours is pointless.
I do take guns seriously, which is why I only use them for target shooting. You treat them like some kind of self aware monster that kill all the time because that's all they can do. Target shooting with a gun is fun and challenging, shooting a bb gun is not in my opinion. If I want to shoot targets with a gun, in a safe and controlled manner, who the fuck are you to say I shouldn't be able to because of what other people do with guns? Also if my dart comparison is stupid, your heroin comparison is as well. It's much easier to kill with a dart than it is to kill someone with heroin.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but you could smash the bottle on the counter and lacerate their kidneys.
I think that if pro-gun people really do believe that the second amendment is there for individual citizens to protect themselves, then the only firearms that ordinary citizens should really be allowed to own and use are hand guns and rifles. I do think that we have a weird gun culture that emphasizes their use for fun and games rather than for real protection. The point is that no one should wield the power to kill 10 people in 10 seconds. A hand gun is for protection, an AK is for killing. When you ask a lot of gun owners (especially those that own semiautomatic weapons) why they own their weapons, one of the reasons is almost always "because I like guns and think that they are fun". The problem with our gun culture is that too many people view these WEAPONS as toys. As a texan, i know kids who were taught to shoot at 7 years old, and they all grew up thinking that shooting stuff was a fun afterschool activity, because they were never told that what they were holding was a weapon and should only be used for self protection or maybe for hunting.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and i used to shoot guns after school all the time. We were about 13 when we started doing that though. We all knew that guns could kill people but we were mostly just shooting targets with 22s and shotguns at clay birds. It was competitive for us. We used to take our 22s and shoot a target and take a step backwards if we both hit it. First one to miss lost. Then the next person challenges the winner. It was just good fun. No one got hurt.
It's good that you and your friends had a good understanding of the real dangers of gun use. Unforetunately not so many people are as well rounded as you. And i wasnt arguing against rifles, im arguin against a normal citizen having the ability to kill multiple people in a matter of seconds as semiautomatic and automatic WEAPONS are still legal in many states.
Umm no. It was meant so we arnt defenseless against our goverment dumb fuck
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:28:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Handguns are the most deadly guns. 'AKs" as you call them, what im assuming you mean by fully automatic rifles, are not available to the general public and are pretty much never ever used in crimes.
As Jim Jeffries said, "There only needs to be one reason for americans to want their guns. Which is, 'fuck off, I like guns.'" As a gun store owner, I am perfectly fine with that reason.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:16:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the same way, and I'm an American. I have no issues with people owning guns for protection and sport I guess. But goddamn, some poeple here are just fucking obsessed with them. And it's always the "peaceful" religious people.
In my honest opinion, I think one of the reasons we have such a mass shooting problem in America is because so many people are obsessed with guns and talk about guns as if they are gospel. I saw a conservative friend on facebook share a post that said "You can take away my wife, you can take away my kids, but you will never take away my guns!!" WTF
Yup. I got horribly downvoted for this exact reason. And get this - the op of the gun law thread on askreddit was the one arguing and downvoting me... He asked my opinion, I gave it (in quite a polite and respectful manner too).
I was downvoted on /r/funny for posting a gif about a guy buying a gun from a vending machine. The comment were talking about how I was so Antigun and making a political statement. It was /r/funny... No wonder people make fun of that sub if the first voters there are that dense only shot is going to the top
Leads to the best fucking country in the world mother fucker. Bring that tea over here, we throw that shit int he ocean again.
But probably not, a lot of health conscious people live here and we would probably drink it. But we would DEFINITELY throw the packaging in the ocean, because we are disrespectful as fuck.
Also, my guns don't lead to the highest murder rate either. My guns don't kill people. Terrible logic bro.
People are going to kill people regardless.
Ban drugs, we no longer have drugs.
Ban guns, guns will just disappear.
I live in a country with some of the strictest gun control laws in the world, and bizarrely it has one of the lowest gun related crime rates in the world.
m50d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. Don't really drink it myself but there are a lot of addicts around. Still as addictions go it's a relatively harmless one.
Between the stabbings and drunken brawlers in the streets, I hear it's pretty dangerous to be out at night in Britain. Or so I hear.
CWM_93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Liverpool which has a reputation for being where lots of people come for miles around for a night out, and also has an (in my experience unfounded) reputation for being a bit rough. I've only ever seen one or two drunken fights, which has consisted of a bit of shouting and pushing before the two people get separated. I have walked home through some rough neighbourhoods plenty of times after dark and never had any issues.
From what I remember of the stats, the sum of knife and gun crime is about the same in the UK and USA, but a higher proportion of that total is knife crime in the UK, as guns are very hard to come by.
The prevalence of violent crime is pretty much indistinguishable between the countries - although take that with a pinch of salt because it's counted slightly differently - but the homicide rate in the UK is lower.
I would argue that's partly because it's more difficult to do serious damage to someone using a knife that it is with a gun. If you're mugging someone with a knife, you need to be within arms reach of the victim to be in a position to inflict immediate harm to them, whereas with a gun, you can shoot someone from several metres away.
I'm not sure where you get the impression that stabbings are very commonplace in the UK. They do happen, in some areas more than others, but I think the risks get overblown by the media because of the adage 'if it bleeds it leads' and gruesome details sell newspapers.
m50d ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. Not very, IME. I mean if you want a fight you can get one, but as a bystander you're mostly fine. And in the worst case stabbings are more survivable than shootings.
In most places it's really not that dangerous. If you don't start anything then you are very unlikely to end up in a brawl or stabbing, this kind of violence is usually a two-way thing. If you're a sensible person then nights out are generally very safe.
itz4mna ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, unless you're in a really shit area you're not going to get in a fight unless you provoke someone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It goes the same way in America and yet people completely ignore that part.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you guys DO confiscate golf clubs like they're weapons...
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I swear guns reduce crime rates, at least legal ones. Most of the violent crime seen is either with illegal unregistered guns either stolen, or purchased off of the black market. What happens when someone breaks into your house, armed, with the intention to harm you or your family? If you had a gun, and a loaded magazine next to it, what would you do? When death is seconds away, the police are minutes away. It is not a fetish, it is not stupidity, and keep in mind that the rest of the first world seems to like increasing rape rates by letting in all these refugees. And read the American constitution to know why it's legal, and it's a perfectly good reason. I'll give you an example here. Kennesaw, Georgia. It's mandated that every household have at least one firearm. Among the lowest crime rates in the country.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If there are no legal guns, then there are almost no illegal guns. That's how the rest of the civilised world works.
Except since Schengen, most EU countries share a single border with Balkan countries. There have been multiple instances of criminals using military grade weapons from Eastern Europe. Including a guy wielding an AK across from a school, and a guy using a Skorpion to knock over a fucking supermarket, up to and including accidentally discharging the weapon and nearly killing a cashier. None were caught.
In short, this argument went out of the window the moment we opened the borders. It can only work in a small-scale, highly regulated society. But then again, so can legal gun ownership. Everyone who was in the military in Switzerland, has a gun. An assault rifle, at that. It's the basis of their national defense system. But these guns don't end up in illegality.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone really wants a gun or some way to kill/harm someone, they can get one off of the black market. This, and, if at some point firearms were banned, I don't think the criminals would turn theirs in, especially since it was probably obtained illegally on the black market in the first place. Once everyone else turns theirs in, crime rates explode.
m50d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the violent crime seen is either with illegal unregistered guns either stolen, or purchased off of the black market.
Sure, but the reason there's a supply of them is legal guns. The best time to ban guns was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
What happens when someone breaks into your house, armed, with the intention to harm you or your family?
I check whether this is reality or a movie.
If you're talking about someone who wants to kill you specifically, you're much better off seeking police protection (even if you're a criminal - you might get imprisoned but that's much better than dying); a gun is more likely to give you a false sense of security than actually keep you alive. If you're talking about a maniac who just wants to kill someone - well, how's the record on mass shootings working out for you? If you're talking about someone just looking for money (i.e. the overwhelming majority of breakins), over here burglars make it a point of pride not to carry guns.
If you had a gun, and a loaded magazine next to it, what would you do
Statistically, that gun is more likely to kill you than anyone else.
keep in mind that the rest of the first world seems to like increasing rape rates by letting in all these refugees.
So rapists won't rape as long as you keep them outside the border? Or is rape ok as long as they're only raping brown people?
Civilized nations do not have a choice about letting refugees in. Maybe if you lot wouldn't keep bombing random parts of the middle east (or propping up Israel to do so) then we wouldn't have this crisis. Maybe if someone did the same on America's doorstep you'd be facing the same issues.
And read the American constitution to know why it's legal, and it's a perfectly good reason.
It's nonsense, as any number of secure free states without militias prove. Maybe in 1800 the number of warm bodies with guns you could put on the battlefield mattered. Not today.
Among the lowest crime rates in the country.
i.e. still substantially higher than demographically comparable towns in countries with gun control?
I call bullshit. And so did snopes. That's like saying where I live has one of the lowest crime rates in the country, with one murder-suicide in the past ten years (it was an assisted suicide, actual suicide) and two burglaries. Yeah. I live in the fucking sticks surrounded by the elderly.
edit: note that I'm not saying anything about your core point, but argue it better, dude.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Kennesaw is not in the sticks. Pop of 32,000 people. Not the largest city out there, but compared to other cities of its size, it has virtually no crime.
You do know that plenty of first world countries have people owning guns and are doing just fine, right? Guns aren't the problem. People are the problem. That's why I think we need more gun control laws as well as mandatory safety education for anyone who wants to own/shoot a gun
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:40:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say that until you see some wacko in London with a simple butcher knife running around terrorizing people for 20 minutes because the cop's tasers constantly misfire and the knife wielder is free from worry about anyone having a gun.
You're brave for even going there to be quite honest.
This reminds me of a comment. Some guy made a comment about his girlfriend and everyone thought his girlfriend was great from that single comment. Then he summoned her and of course, being creeps, redditors creeped on her post history. Comes to find out she was a complete homophobe and racist.
Same. It certainly isn't a regular thing, maybe five or six times in my account history, but sometimes I'll post something innocuous and receive a "well of course one of you would think that...".
Really the username is a good way to figure out who not to spend time debating with!
This is why im atheist. Screw the stupid self imposed rules that most religions have. Why can't you eat that? What did those infidels do to you? WHY ARE YOU MAKING YOUR LIFE SO HARD?!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:57:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, forgot text makes it hard to convey tone: Not shouting at someone for being stupid, rather shouting because you are confused.
There i hope i clarified it.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man. Religion doesn't make everyone's life hard.
Millions of people turn to religion as a refuge. Whether or not any deity or supernatural being or belief is real is irrelevant; people genuinely find comfort in religion and most religions do a lot of vital charity work.
It's hard to discern tone with written comments and I think straight forward questions can come off as snarky or sarcastic if the intention isn't specifically stated.
[deleted] ยท -36 points ยท Posted at 15:09:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like Trump, or any of the liberal candidates. Would have preferred Ted Cruz. But, I honestly have to vote for him if I want to avoid a criminal or a socialist who's as dumb as a box of rocks going into office.
So you're opting for someone who has bankrupted 4 companies, wants to build a wall but doesn't know how, has said that he is okay using nuclear weapons in the Middle East, has one of the least stable characters of just about anyone, believes in suing people for fun, has said he wants to go after the families of terrorists, and aligns himself politically with Russia and China more than he does than with our allies?
Vote for Trump if you want, but they guy has no idea how to run a country. His tax plan will only increase the deficit, he has said himself that his wealth on any given day is dependent upon his mood, and he is a child.
I am not a trump supporter, but maybe that's his shtick? That at this point, someone complete ignorant of how to run a nation would be less harmful than people deeply invested in estagblished political agendas?
Out of hundreds that he has either started or had major influence in. Trump is the physical personification of the phrase, "a master has failed more often than a novice has tried".
I'm not talking about paying for it, though even then, the number keeps going up and it is still a low ball. WHERE are you going to build the wall? How do you avoid splitting people's properties in half or putting themselves on the other end of the wall altogether? How much will it cost to maintain? Where does that money come from?
Trump inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. His successes have come largely from the branding of his name, which he values (and includes in his wealth estimate) at 5 billion dollars.
You didn't address any of my other points either. Flat taxes disproportionally put burden on the lower classes. His tax plan is going to run up the deficit, that is a fact. He has no tangible plans for how he is going to fix that issue.
Don't assume I like Bernie just because I don't like Trump.
Where do you think he's going to build the wall? Minnesota? He's going to build it on the U.S./Mexican border, a point so obvious that he, and I, never thought it had to be explained.
Trump inherited hundreds of millions of dollars.
Out of billions he currently possesses. Yes he has had a boost and help from a large inheritance, but to insinuate that because of that he is not a successful businessman is laughable.
His successes have come largely from the branding of his name
Which wouldn't work if there wasn't an actual quality to match. If you suck at running companies hard and/or long enough, branding morphs from an advertisement to a warning label. Also I tend to trust the actions of people who 1) know more about a subject than me and 2) have their own money on the line. If Trump is as bad at business as you imply that he is, how does he keep getting loans? Business people who know more about finance and entrepreneurship, and whose money is on the line, look at Trump's record and say "hot damn, where do I sign!?"
You didn't address any of my other points either.
I didn't address them for one of three reasons.
1) they are true, even if only in a technical sense. Such as the whole "take out families" thing.
2) They aren't actual arguable points, but are instead the political equivalent of "arguing" over his favorite ice cream flavor. Oh he "aligns himself politically with Russia and China more than he does than with our allies" does he? I didn't know we live in an RPG, did his last speech give him +20 rep with the Chinese faction and -10 rep with the E.U.?
3) Obvious fear-mongering that I'm simply not interested in talking about. Do you really think there's a danger of him using nuclear weapons in the Middle East, really?
Don't assume I like Bernie just because I don't like Trump.
I didn't you idiot. If I had assumed that you liked Ben Carson, how would my comment be any different?
Since you can't build a wall on water, you are going to have to build it on land. Now, what do you do about border towns? What do you do about people and businesses who own property on the border? Your wall either has to go through the land that they own or it has to cut them out and put them on the "wrong side" of the wall.
How will building a wall stop the people that come through by sea? How about the people that tunnel under it? How about the people that own ladders just a little bit taller than the wall? How about the fact that most people here illegally are people who came over legally and just overstayed their visas? The wall is something that will just be expensive and ineffective.
There are issues when the leader of your country looks up more to dictators and tyrants than he does the leaders of your allies. Foreign policy is a thing and it is important for your leader to get along with other leaders. Jesus Christ, why do I even have to be saying this? Isn't it a big red flag that other world leaders are telling us that Trump is a bad idea?
I am on my phone so quoting is a bit more difficult, but your final comment in your previous post was about dismissing me as a "lazy Bern-out" or something to that effect.
what do you do about border towns? What do you do about people and businesses who own property on the border?
Land is either in the US or Mexico, the border isn't just a gray area(even if there is no fence). Border towns could be split, because there's no 1 city in both countries; there are border towns, but both sides go under different names and have different governments. If you bought property between both countries or hugging the border, you should be prepared for changes to the border. What if Mexico and the US had a war? Would you still think it's your decision if a wall should be built? The US government has and has put laws/rules on property before, like building safety regulation. How is this any different?
If you want to know how effective a wall is, simply look at the Hungarian border. That's not even a wall, it's a chain link fence with barbed wire, and yet "The number of illegal entries to Hungary declined rapidly after the barrier was finished."(quote from wikipedia). If that's not enough for you, look at the Israeli wall.
How about the people that own ladders just a little bit taller than the wall?
Is this a joke? We'll obviously have border patrol.
How about the fact that most people here illegally are people who came over legally and just overstayed their visas?
Considering ~500k Visas were overstayed, and the US illegal immigrant population is 11 million, no, most people who are here illegally did not just overstay visas.
The wall is something that will just be expensive and ineffective.
Sorta like how immigrants cost us annually ~$119 billion. Doesn't that sound expensive? What sounds cheaper, though, is a $17 billion wall.
Isn't it a big red flag that other world leaders are telling us that Trump is a bad idea?
What leaders? Commissar Merkel? Of course they'll say Trump is a bad idea if they don't agree with him. But since when are we letting foreign nations "help" us decide our leaders? Besides, why should we be so caring of their opinion when saying "Hillary can win" will fucking relieve them?
Thanks for actually responding to my points unlike the last guy.
My point was really more centered around the Rio Grande on the Texas-Mexico border. Obviously, one side is Texas and the other side is Mexico. Because we can't build over or into the Rio Grande (and we can't build on Mexico's side for obvious reasons), we have to build it on our side. Furthermore, we have to build it enough into our territory such that it is structurally secure (from the banks of the river) and safe from floods and other things like that. My point about border towns is not that I thought that one border town metro area was governed by one body (give me some credit here), but that the river makes a lot of switch backs. Lining the wall along the contour of the river without "boxing" some Americans out is impossible. This means that a wall to keep people from crossing our southern border by foot would also put American citizens on the wrong side of the wall. If you don't want to split an American town even a little bit, then you will have to build in such a way that you then put the whole town on the "wrong" side of the wall.
I don't doubt that those walls have cut down on immigration to those countries, and I don't doubt that a wall in America would at least cut the numbers a little bit, but I don't think a wall is the answer. The drug trade and human trafficking exist on much greater scales on our sit herb border than the do in the examples your provided. Digging a hole is cheap and in the last couple months we have uncovered more than we ever have. When we find one and shut it down, they will just build a new one. I think we need to change our immigration laws and make it easier for the "good" people to come over and become citizens so that they can pay taxes rather than living in fear.
As a Texan myself, this issue is "close to home" for me.
EDIT: for examples of these towns to which I am referring: please see Brownsville, Los Ebanos, La Casita, Rio Grande City, Las Palomas Wildlife Area, and Laredo. Those are only a few of the many, many more examples.
Well, yes, I suppose we wouldn't be able to build on, or even near the Rio Grande; however, this does not mean we would have to give up land, or box Americans out. Like in English feudalism, While walls would be built, many homes and plantations would be left outside; though they would still "belong" to the king. This does not mean I believe those towns to be peasant villages, though. Besides, even without the wall, these towns are still at risk of being preyed upon by cartels, kidnappers etc just by being close to the border. And the wall isn't meant to keep everything out for good, Americans living on the other side could, hypothetically, easily pass through by use of checkpoints, etc.
I think we need to change our immigration laws and make it easier for the "good" people to come over and become citizens so that they can pay taxes rather than living in fear.
This is what Trump would like as well. He's stated that he wants to make legal immigration better, which would in turn make illegal immigration seem a stupid choice for Mexicans to make. This would also mean we get info on people coming into our country, so we can give the boot to killers, cartel members and even terrorists. Trump has no personal hate against Mexican immigrants; He just thinks that the current system is incredibly dangerous for Americans.
I'm going to skip straight to your last point, because I think it illustrates the actual problem you have.
I am on my phone so quoting is a bit more difficult, but your final comment in your previous post was about dismissing me as a "lazy Bern-out" or something to that effect.
Here's what I actually said:
If you want Trump support to wane, you need to stop lying about him and giving his supporters ammo to dismiss you as a "lazy, lying Bern-out".
I'm telling you to not lie so that Trump supporters won't have a reason to dismiss anything you say by attacking your character. It was not an attack by me onto you, or an assumption of your political affiliations. It was advice on how to stop Trump from winning! I ask again, and this time I demand an answer. If I had assumed that you liked Ben Carson, how would my comment be any different?
I am a little upset that you didn't address my claims, especially because they are valid. Furthermore, an attack on my character by anyone by saying that I am a "lazy Bern-out" is completely unfounded on multiple levels. I brought up multiple claims which were not lies that were either not addressed or explicitly dismissed for ridiculous reasons. While I think that Trump is a xenophobic racist individual, that is not the basis for my claims in this thread. If you want to make the claim that people are going to dismiss me as lazy or uninformed or something, you actually have to show that. I'm bringing up very real concerns, two of which were things you tried to dismiss earlier and I have clarified why they are alarming to me.
I surround myself with just as many "conservative" news outlets as I do "liberal" ones. I like to surround myself with both sides so I don't prey victim to my own internal biases. I am not lazy, I am not a "Bern-out" and I have said nothing to imply either to be true, so why would anyone have reason to dismiss my claims because of either?
Have an actual discussion based on what I am saying or piss off. I never lied seeing as my concerns with the wall had nothing to do with paying for it. I am not lying about Trump therefore your basis for even making that original comment has no need to even be there.
You were under the impression that I didn't think Trump had a way to pay for the wall. That was not why I said that.
You haven't actually responded to any of my points in a productive way other than the bankrupting comment. I could respond to that one as well but there is so much left on the table that it would be unproductive.
vol4ok ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for making this discussion so political but USA have allies only in the Europe. If he says hes gonna align with Russia and China that's not bad since US is agressive towards Russia. This coming from person who lives in EU so pls don't hurt me, i don't really know Trump that well.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 15:53:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where did he say he was okay with using nuclear weapons in the Middle East? Well, I'll tell you, Hillary and Bernie are terrible options as president. She is a criminal, and potentially a murderer (46 people who were close to the Clintons have died under mysterious circumstances. Or even been straight up murdered, with no evidence against the Clintons because they pay a lot of people off, and intimidate them, and use hired guns for their dirty work.), and Bernie Sanders who is an absolute idiot who doesn't understand that socialism simply doesn't work.
So far, I've been able to find out we pay a whole lot more, but we don't have to wait as long to see the doctor. As long as it's not something urgent, I don't see a problem with waiting a while.
As a European.. Bernie Sanders is super neutral compared to our parties. He's not an extreme left-wing guy, he's a very neutral, boring guy (compared to what we already have in place where I live).
I've yet to see one legitimate argument as to why universal healthcare can't work for the US.
It's literally all comments about how big and diversified the US is//opinions ie "i don't want lazy bums to get carried" bollocks.
Why is universal healthcare not a possibility for the US?
I answered 'words' and got downvoted for it. It's true though. Small talk is so scripted it sounds like adults talking on Charlie Brown to me. It wasn't until the media had a conniption over Trump bragging he had the 'best words', that I started really listening to the words coming out of people's mouths.
I once posted about a man who had been murdered by a vigilante group of women on the courthouse steps in India. The point I was making was that sure, he was a scumbag and the case needed a more competent prosecution, but vigilante murder on the steps of a courthouse isn't acceptable in a civilized democracy.
It undermines the entire concept of having a judicial system in the first place. The laws don't just magically evaporate if we don't like someone.
There was a thread in civ 6 subreddit. They asked about making terrorism a factor. I said it'd be okay as long as they don't be dicks and say: saudi arabia: special unit = suicide bomber. Got like -5 I think. And they weren't mad because of the terrorism part, but because I said they shouldn't correlate saudi arabia with it.
FourO40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're totally right though.
Every country terrorizes other countries. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
I believe it was when I said "Stereotypes exist for a reason"
I believe I followed it up with "but that doesn't make it ok to be a racist. Dislike the stereotype, not the race."
Most of the comments confused me until I realized I hadn't said I'm not white, I'm Latina. It's fun how I make jokes about my own race and get upvoted, but if don't mention I'm not white I'm a horrible racist.
It wasn't on Reddit but I caused a shitstorm by trying to explain that if someone is confirmed to fit a stereotype (specifically a stereotype of wrongdoing, not of circumstance) , they lose the right to defend themselves by calling that stereotype discriminatory.
For instance, let's say there's a stereotype that florists are jaywalkers. It is unfair to assume that any given florist is a jaywalker, because then you'd be potentially discriminating against a florist who does not jaywalk.
However, if I meet a florist and I catch them jaywalking, they are not allowed to say "Stop stereotyping me, that's discriminatory!" because then they're attempting to use the existence of the stereotype as an excuse to make me turn a blind eye to their wrongdoing. Um... no.
This is a hard concept for many to grasp, apparently.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a hard concept for many to grasp, apparently.
Hey, stop stereotyping many !
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My problem with steoreotypes is that they can be funny but they do genuinely hurt people in a real way a lot of times.
Warpato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're the first latina I've seen on reddit
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Latina detector activated: Estรกs segura que eres latina? Totalmente segura? Realmente totalmente absolutamente segura? Muy muy segura?
According to the response, we will be able to discover if the myth is Plausible or Busted
one time in r/movies, someone said that renee zellweger had fucked up her face and couldn't get work anymore. i responded by saying she didn't have any work done, has been taking time off voluntarily, and has some movies coming out this year. i was downvoted
But she did have work done on her face. I've also heard that she is trying to get her old face back, which I'm really glad about because she was practically unrecognizable to me after the changes.
I'm not sure it's even possible...if some doc somewhere manages to get her back recognizable, I'm writing that doc's number down in case I ever need something done. That'd be a miracle. I feel bad for her...she might not have been a "traditional" beauty but I always thought she was gorgeous. Sad she couldn't see that for herself.
Yeah that is the worst part of all the cosmetic surgeries. Once you do it, you have to quite certain that this is what you want to look like and hope to god that you will actually end up looking like that. I think there is no better beauty than what was given to you at birth, changing that is so stupid, because almost all cases people are changing their looks because they saw someone who had what they wished they had, thus changing themselves to look more like someone else. I haven't been given the gift of extreme beauty and often I wish I looked like someone else, but to erase the unique beauty I was given to TRY and look like someone else (you will never look as good as the other person (if they are natural beauty)), it would be so stupid.
I literally didn't recognize her. It's obvious she had work done. She totally fucked it up. I can get being self conscious but damn girl. Botox is one thing, completely different face is a whole 'nother.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she looks like a former MMA fighter with an unlicensed plastic surgeon.
I hit -3, which isn't that bad, but I said that men were more likely to get testicular cancer than women and women were more likely to get ovarian cancer than men. Isn't that true?
It's true, but I can't think of a situation where saying so would add anything useful to a discussion.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything to the discussion.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised that didn't get upvoted to hell.
That's pretty funny. But I mean I can't see how thats possibly relevant to any discussion so.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that actually true though?
I don't have any evidence, but I would imagine all the hormone replacement that transgender people get would mess with stuff and possibly make some stuff more likely.
I do know with certainty that people with streak gonads are much more likely to get cancer.
That's actually a myth that hormones make it more likely for you to get specific cancers. In fact, recent studies have found no malicious side effects of using hormones for 10 or more years
To be fair, if you're reading a thread about a puzzle, especially a simple one, the solution is one of the first things you can expect to find. But -200 is a bit harsh lol.
covok48 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:54:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've said some asshole things in my time here and was downvoted accordingly to something like -1 to -5. However, when I showed support for the American centric mm/dd/yyyy date format in a What does Britian do better than everyone else thread I got a whopping -25, the worst downvoted post I have currently.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like that pro! Britain does a lot of things objectively better than Americans, but I'll give that point to us. You've convinced me.
salbris ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imho, as a programmer, that's probably the worst reason for the format. The program or programmer should create a proper sorting algorithm instead of relying on fallbacks like that.
Why do the "as a programmer" douchebags feel the need to chime in on every topic that has nothing to do with them? Seriously, how does oh the user should create a sorting algorithm have any thing to do with this? Worse than the "as a mother" people Reddit loves to complain about
Especially since my application is for analytical chemistry instrument data that needs to be readily accessible by analysts and reviewers and located by auditors.
He/she is not blaming the user of the software. The fault is with the developer of that software. Of course the user can't be expected to make their own sorting algorithm! But if you are a coder who's tasked with writing this program, not being able to adapt to different date formats is ridiculous.
salbris ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if the format of the date or title of the file wasn't used to sort the files as well then the presentation of the folder/files can be cleaned up and made more clear to the end user. Instead you have all the overhead of making sure each file is prefix with the date in the correct format.
In this case if were talking about standard folders and files in Windows I'd say it's Microsofts fault for not providing better tools for organizing files. If don't like to see people get complacent because this is how we get stuck with the same terrible software for years.
itz4mna ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:04:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm British and while I'll defend to the death America's use of Imperial units and Fahrenheit I really don't understand the advantage of that date format.
...Maybe it's so that the numbers go from smallest to largest? Months go up to 12, days go up to 31, and years go up to the thousands? Idk, just a guess.
The argument I have heard is that if you're looking through dates for something, you arent insterested in the 11 other 1sts of the month, so get the month out of the way first.
Something like that, I like my chronological order just fine.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think having months first is useful.
But thats because the way i speak I say the month first, so reading it mm/dd/yyyy flows better to me.
I think it's because it's slightly quicker and easier to say "March the third" than "The third of March" and it just translated into how we wrote it down.
I think the one where I said pedophiles aren't bad people, while stating that child molesters are.
I got called a pedo defender and a pedophile. I don't get it, aren't we attracted to things and can't control the attractions? Why is being attracted to kids suddenly frowned upon even if you never hurt any? Maybe if there were some statistics that say 95% of pedophiles are child molesters then I can see the reasoning but still wouldn't be nice unless we want to suddenly assume guilty until proven innocent way.
I just sympathize with people who never did anything wrong and ended up with a shitty sexual attraction. Because I also have a similar problem..
Well yeah, of course 95% of pedophiles are child molesters, simply because the majority of pedophiles don't tell anyone out of the justified fear of being persecuted so they don't end up in the statistics.
It must be terrible to have to live with something every day that is so demonized by society that you can't even seek help dealing with it and as soon as you talk about it you are a monster. The ones who never touch a child deserve sympathy more than most people do.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think pedophile and child molester just mean the same thing to a lot of people.
Yeah I feel like the topic isn't discussed enough for anyone to shake their ignorance. Literally no one must have any idea what it's actually like. I guess people just don't even want to hear it.
There is very little distinction in people's minds between the two. I once said to a colleague 'your friend is pretty hot' or words to that effect. Colleague replied 'my friend is 16'. Whoops. Do I deserve to go to jail?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agree with you dog. The media always tryna paint Muslims as villains or some shit.
They won't mention that many terrorist groups focus most of their efforts on killing certain groups of Muslims that they dislike, and that tons of Muslims were targeted out by terrorist groups in the Paris attacks.
I was downvoted because I said I had a professor in graphic design who discouraged us from saying we liked a design as it's irrelevant. He encouraged us to explain why a design worked regardless if we liked it or thought it looked nice.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you evaluate my website for me? I'm tryng to learn (the bare minimum of) good design and having some difficulties
I got a heavily upvoted comment for pointing out a Reddit hivemind, that I would say leaned left politically. Someone replied to me that coincidentally most Redditors are Bernie Sanders supporters. I replied back saying that I was a Bernie supporter but I thought the hivemind just didn't make sense. Then I got downvoted and a bunch of hate comments for liking him.
I was unreasonably downvoted to a post in r/shitty_car_mods where somebody posted a picture of a Ferrari with a gold and black wrap on it.
The original post itself was kind of a shitpost, but I commented it saying that it was well done and wasn't shitty, but lacked taste. I got I think -3 karma and one guy posted the rule that the posts and comments were subjective. Why was I downvoted when I was being subjective to my own opinion of the car?
Cidiot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I copied and pasted the policy platforms of Trump and Sanders side by side for a comparison, because someone on r/politics was saying they were essentially the same candidate. I got downvoted like -30, but the next week I was upvoted back to 0.
I wasn't sure if the person I was responding to was joking.
Spent more time on r/politics and realized, they are NOT joking. There's a good group of people on that sub who don't understand/recognize the most essential platform differences between Republicans and Democrats.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In terms of politcal stance they are definitely opposites in every way shape or form.
Usually the "they're the same candidate" argument comes up because of their styles and campaign.
Both are the anti-establishment candidates. Both talk down on their respective establishments.
Both are very "radical" in their ideology (Trump very very right wing, Sanders very very left wing)
Both have crazy supporter/ fanbases imo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you mind sharing what you said here? I'm curious
Cidiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took the text directly from their websites and a site called ontheissues.org that keeps track of the candidates' positions on different policy issues. I just put them next to each other.
I commented on a thread on r/fitness where people were trashing OP about his eating and exercise habits, saying I thought people there were friendlier and more helpfull when questions were asked.
Late to the party, but someone in /r/cooking was asking if they should remove their smoke detector to make food because it was always going off (probably because they're a shitty cook.)
I responded begging them not to, as two months prior I had a friend die in a house fire caused by an unattended cooking pot with no smoke detector.
o11c ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I can't pick one. These are not all from Reddit. Keep in mind I backed up my arguments, these are only the summary.
Supporting GPL3 over GPL2.
Pointing out that the CDDL was deliberately designed to be GPL-incompatible
Listing the fundamental security flaws with TCP's design that could have been avoided.
Saying that Mac OS X is, in fact, targeted by more viruses than Windows these days (or referring to anything negative about Apple in general).
Disagreeing with the existence of "intellectual property" laws, given that all great inventions through human history have been "stolen".
Saying that it is fundamentally impossible for people to have equal opportunity unless the have equal economic standing first.
Pointing out that a poor economy makes it really easy for extremists to lie and gain power.
Pointing out that "I would have died of X without surgery" does not in fact contradict "fatalities from X have been virtually eliminated with modern medicine"
Disagreeing with calling the President "the leader of the free world".
Bringing up the "military industrial complex" as an influence.
Saying "Viewing anyone, even actual terrorists, as 'less than human' is extremely dangerous."
Saying that in a democracy, we are partly responsible for the actions of our elected representatives.
Pointing out that individual soldiers should be responsible for checking whether their orders are valid, rather than saying they were "just following orders."
Saying there are valid reasons not to have non-monogamous sex.
Saying that sometimes, when a term is misapplied, it can be so ruined that you should pick a new one (e.g. the swastika, "feminism", "hacker", "communism")
Noting that "being a good person" has is completely meaningless, you actually have to act when you see bad stuff happen.
Agreeing with doctors not performing hysterectomies on young women, because a lot of women change their mind about "never wanting kids".
Pointing out that many (if not most) abortions could be avoided if everyone made (and had the power to make) better choices earlier.
Asking a "feminist" to be more specific about "harassment".
Using the term "Christian Sharia law"
Pointing out that certain Mormon religious beliefs have been conclusively disproven by genetic analysis.
Noting that being a slave was not always a bad thing in ancient societies, it only got really bad a few centuries ago.
Pointing out that Starbucks is mostly just normal coffee with a ton of sugar added.
Correcting someone's use of Middle English.
Asking for sources, when someone said my (clearly stated) opinion was invalid because of "facts".
Pointing out that a diagram with instructions was, in fact, unambiguous.
Believing that a coerced agreement should not be legally binding.
Edit:
* pointing out that floating-point numbers are usually not useful, and if you use them for money you could even end up in jail.
I browse the sub r/fatlogic, so take
From that what you will, but I got down voted there for saying that it was unfair to criticize a fat person for just being happy with themselves.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:31:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote this on the /r/feminism and said, "Men and women are equal" I don't know what I was expecting but I got -45 downvotes in under 2 minutes.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people took that as ' there's no gender based inequality in this world '
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they literally commented about how women were oppressed in the United States. I just sat there sighing.
Talking about how the small quakes in Oklahoma means there is a non-zero chance that the area could have bigger quakes much more frequently. It is like Reddit doesn't like highly caveatted science that has counter-intuitive conclusions.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said, "Fireball tastes awful; unless you were to put it on pancakes...because it pretty much tastes like syrup."
My brother would have hated that comment as much as he loves Fireball. Never developed a taste for it myself tbh
fdsdfg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:36:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone posted some story with a ton of pronouns..
"My sister's husband was working with his son, and his girlfriend. She went with him to her house and they..." etc. Impossible to follow.
I replied saying "That story is really hard to follow with all those pronouns".
The person edited their comment to make it more clear, any my comment started getting downvoted. One person replied "No it's not". I replied to that "It's not, after the edit"
and THAT got downvoted =(
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's common courtesy/sense to edit or delete your post after suggested edits are accepted.
fdsdfg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm not going to sit there refreshing the post until I see it's edited, so I'll probably be informed by someone commenting.
Downvoting the explanation is odd to me though. It's like "Boo, we already don't like you!"
-700 for telling people who probably have had nothing to do with the military and know nothing about the rules concerning it, that you may not choose to not follow a lawful order from a superior officer without serious consequences.
That is assumed when you say something is "not allowed." I mean anything is allowed if you disregard what is going to happen after you commit the act. Being allowed to do something assumes you can do something without legal consequences.
Yes, depending on the importance of the order, like being brought up on charges of disobeying a lawful command, insubordination, or a dishonourable discharge. This kind of goes without saying.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is easier to list the orders that are unlawful, because pretty much any command given by a superior officer is lawful with these exceptions. The order may not make sense to the men it is given to but it is not up to them to second guess the purpose of the order. Sometimes they will not know the big picture An example of an unlawful order is one that goes against the Geneva convention. This is an agreement reached after the second world war which you could say are "the rules of war." Some examples of an unlawful order would be killing unarmed civilians under most circumstances, genocide, using biological weapons, shooting unarmed prisoners of war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions#Conventions. Another unlawful order would be firing on your own men or taking over command of a superior officer capable of being in command and/or encouraging others to do so. This is mutiny and the penalty is usually very serious. Sometimes ordering soldiers to commit an act that is pretty much suicide is unlawful as well but sometimes the order is part of a bigger plan that lower ranks are unaware of. Just because the order is putting soldiers in grave danger does not necessarily make it unlawful.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why, oh why, do our soldiers keep doing it?
I've read about Geneva Conventions a lot, but several current and former members of the military have told me they routinely disregarded them.
Doing what? Refusing orders, or disregarding the Geneva Conventions?
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disregarding the Geneva Conventions.
Specifically:
repeatedly targeting gatherings without any effort to verify that they were terrorists rather than civilians
torturing prisoners of war (one thing that gets thrown around a lot is "they're stateless, they have no rights" which isn't how Geneva works. Another is "we only signed it with caveats, so it's not binding")
I don't know why we (Canadian military) and you (American military) keep doing it. I guess the main reason is that they get away with it and think that the end justifies the means. The thing is though, that it has been shown time and again that torture does not necessarily result in good information. The prisoner will tell the interrogator what he thinks he wants to hear (weather or not it is true) just to make the torture stop. And, targeting gatherings just creates more terrorists. Why give people reason to hate you and wish you dead.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went against the /r/relationships hivemind by saying "I've seen relationships recover from worse than this." The thread had been posted by a guy who didn't stand up for his GF after his sister made a mean joke about the GF's body, and the GF overheard. The top comment literally was telling OP to give up on the relationship, because there's no way she can recover from it. Seriously? And the GF hadn't even broken up with him, just asked for some space.
I mean, it's /r/relationships. BREAK UP is their default response to everything.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's a feature in a game you were unaware of until after many hours of gameplay?
I said I didn't know you could run in Resident Evil 4. I made it to the castle intro where they catapult fire bombs at you before giving up because I couldn't make it up the stairs. My mate told me how to run two weeks later after I gave him back the game.
I never said it was easy or a cool challenge, I honestly didn't know. Yet some people thought I was making shit up because of the El Giante boss battle. You can get past that boss battle on Easy, without running. You just use up a shit load of health herbs.
I made a comment about how it sucks that money can play a role in a relationship, but that it does. I said that in order for things to go smoothly if there's a difference in financial background the other aspects of the relationship are that much more important.
I didn't mean it in a negative way, at all. I even updated to clarify.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:08:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does that subbreddit have such a bad reputation?
Edit: my keyboard was in Spanish, had to fix everything
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've heard a lot of things about /r/relationships and got an actual taste of how bad it can be when I was down voted last week when I wasn't even disagreeing with the general consensus. All I said was I can see why the gf might feel like this but I clarified over and over that her reaction was not justified.
o11c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a handy rule for that: i<3u, and the converse.
In other words, for a relationship to be successful, neither party should be more than 3 times "greater" in major aspects, e.g. financial background.
See, and I wasn't even going that far! The woman (under 20 I remember) who posted came from a wealthy family and was dating a guy who came from nothing. He had a great work ethic she said. Her mom did NOT want the relationship to happen, and was frankly being a bitch about it. I said her mom was in the wrong here. She went over the top. But it is true that if other aspects of the relationship were shaky she may have a hard time having a relationship with the guy. If you are used to being able to never worry about having food on the table and then find yourself in a relationship where it may be a concern, any other relationship problems will be totally magnified.
After one of the recent terrorist atrocities, I replied to a "Why does this keep happening?" thread. I crazily suggested that perhaps if we stopped bombing the living shit out of Muslim countries, they might be slightly less pissed off at us.
I was on /r/food and there was an infographic that was about replacements for eggs in cooking. I hate eggs and am bad at cooking so I asked if anyone knew how to know what replacement to use when.
I was downvoted a lot. At first I just thought I had typo'd but it was actually just the first time Reddit is more pretentious than helpful. If you want the right answer just say something wrong first, you're gonna be downvoted anyways
I really hope someone answered you properly! I personally mix 1Tbsp flax meal with 1Tbsp water, let the mixture sit a minute or so. Ta da egg replacement!
legumey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer not to eat eggs at all but it's just a preference. Normally I just don't eat many good that include them anyways including sweet. I would be helpful to find replacements while baking though
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Serious: is there any time when blood won't make it turn out well?
Historically, stuff like pig's blood was viewed as a major treat when they slaughtered the animal. I don't know how to get blood these days though.
Well I mean with contraception. Fucking a hot cousin wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Immediate family is just whack tho
CT2169 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:44:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a really interesting moral issue. I personally think they are both fine.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If no child is conceived though, does incest really matter? It makes sense to stop incestuously conceived children from being born but other than that its none of my or anyone else's business.
I doubt many people will ever fight for it but its just another artificial sexual boundary that will fall. People would look at being gay, bisexual, into BDSM or many other acceptable things these days as extremely offensive and unacceptable even just 50 years ago.
Hell they can practice necrophilia if they want too as long as they get permission from the deceased before they died.
But what happens if someone does get pregnant from it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I don't care, it isn't the first and they certainly won't be the last. Although there is the argument to be made that the pregnancy should be aborted.
That said, what would making it illegal do? One of two things will happen, A. birth the child and raise it in secret denying it and themselves medical care and help causing further problems B. claim the child has a different father causing all sorts of problems in potential future custody and child support battles.
Hell there is a good chance the child will be born and have absolutely zero problems. Incest doesn't always result in major genetic problems or diseases unless you have previous incestuous family memebers further up the family tree or they are both unlucky enough to have a lot of recessive genes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:45:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're going to get downvoted here too, I'm afraid.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason he didn't have a chance was everyone spouting off he didn't have a chance, that is why you got downvoted.
zThief ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that was true, Trump wouldn't have been the nominee because everyone kept saying it couldn't happen. The majority of Democrats just don't want socialism yet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I didn't hear anyone say it couldn't happen.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bull shit, he didn't have a chance because he sucks at politicking. Look at him now, this is exactly why he didn't have a chance.
That I really like women in stockings and high heels.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recently I commented on a post in /r/gaming stating that the obsession they have with in-game female arses was puerile after the millionth post involving Overwatch and one of the female characters arses. Last I checked it was at -60 or something like that.
It isn't unreasonable to point out that having a giant circlejerk about female anatomy and getting really creepy about it gives off the whole misogynistic vibe that /r/gaming regularly complains about.
I think I got downvoted on lol sub for saying there should be some more ugly female champs and sexy male champs. I was arguing that many male champs are not sexy but cool while straight guys were trying to tell me the opposite. Got called sjw a bit too I think. I just wish fanservice wasn't so one sided.. I get pissed off when everything read, watch or hear is fanservice aimed at straight guys.. But when I complain, I just get told to suck it up.
I wish I could see what they would do in a universe where gay fanservice is the norm. Their heads would probably explode.
On /r/Pokemon I criticized Pokemon X/Y for its lack of content compared to previous games (especially B2/W2), its very low difficulty and badly optimized game engine compared to first-party 3DS games, but everyone at /r/Pokemon views Game Freak as gods that can't do no wrong.
Me too. I don't watch the anime at all and I'm not interested in any of the fan art. I'm a huge fan of turn-based JRPG's and I feel like the Pokemon games have such huge potential but always fall short.
I put forth the idea that a fellow redditor was perhaps being a bit ridiculous by insisting that pizza not cooked with wood fire is not pizza, or worth eating. Still not sure why I was somehow wrong on that one.
I once said that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and be addicted to drugs. About -60
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that would be backed up with some kind of stats too.
111uhh1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got -200 on a /r/roosterteeth thread for giving constructive criticism. Of course, that sub absolutely hates criticism of any kind, despite the fact that they say they don't mind constructive criticism. Also, just a bunch of mean comments completely missing any of the points I was trying to make.. those got quite a few upvotes though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said the owner of Grumpy Cat has a daughter. She does.
I commented that someone looked like they could be related to Emma Stone. Someone responded that they could see it too. My comment went negative 8 and his positive 10. How does that make sense?
Osiyada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally any time I mention my major I get down voted.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread on /r/malefashionadvice asking what shoes to get for a junior prom, I suggested Converse. For context, the OP stated it was one of two proms they were going to, this one being much less formal than the other one. Also mentioned a budget that prohibited any dress shoes which were really worth buying. I suggested a clean, new pair of black converse with reason being he would be dancing all night, chucks would keep his feet more comfortable than cheap dress shoes and his date would be happy if he danced with her more. I mentioned that your junior prom is more about having a good time than looking a certain way (to an extent). That one got about -45 and a lot of weirdly aggressive responses about how I was an idiot who didn't know what he was talking about. I responded with four or five pictures of guys in suits, all about OP's age or early twenties, wearing chucks and looking awesome - some of the pictures came from GQ and similar magazines. That one got about -20.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just googled some pictures and this combo doesn't look half bad !
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any comment chain where everyone says shit like "Cat. Cat. Cat."
I typically comment something like "goose" and its always downvoted to oblivion. I just find it funny because they hate you so much for ruining their dumb little comment chain. Also stating things like this typically get me downvoted. Or saying I expect downvotes like I am now typically gets me a ton of them as well. Its like you are asking for them really.
I strongly dislike Kobe Bryant and made a post about how people shouldn't compare his final season with that of Michael Jordan. I always expect some disagreement in sports, but one comment said something about "nobody is comparing their last year. Post me one article where somebody compares the two." I responded by posting an article that did just that and got a -10. IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!? IF SOMEBODY SAYS POST A LINK AND YOU POST A LINK, WHAT DID YOU DO WRONG?! I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!
skel161 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time didn't hold up to modern games.
Said that I liked a tattoo a guy had, except that it extended out to the back of his hand. Placement added no additional value to the composition of the tattoo, and basically just made him look less professional. Tat was great; placement was iffy.
Some discussion about a female headed porn studio, where I mentioned my dislike for many of the men involved in porn. If they're in front of the camera they need to shut the fuck up. If they're behind the camera the women aren't actually enjoying themselves, and most of the time it's because they're being hate-fucked from behind or in the face. But my main beef was with genuine satisfaction never becoming a factor in the majority of porn.
I was in TwoX though so a bunch of tools gave ignorant replies and I was at -30 something by the time I abandoned the "conversation."
hcrld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On an thread here along the lines of "What is your favorite simple in-brower webgame?" or something, I responded with Kittens Game, an idle/village simulation. I got down to -6, with nobody commenting to tell me what I did wrong.
I mentioned that brown rice has higher level of arsenic than white rice. People flipped their shit. Double digit downvotes from #brownricematters supporters.
I was downvoted because I made the connection that Bungie has the number 777 as a company favorite because 73 = 343, hence 343 Guilty Spark. It was something I found just playing with a calculator, and when I I shared it to reddit, they said since I had incorrect terminology, I was an idiot. And also because I said 10 years instead of 7 years when I mentioned the time the company has been around, it was an estimate you filthy fucking casuals.
Suggesting that it's a bad idea to let an 11 year old boy continue to watch porn. It was probably my most down voted comment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:03:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I asked a person from India if he was rich because he had a bidet. (I've seen 5 documentaries about how rare toilets are there.)
Indians are a proud people apparently. Judging by their responses they ALL shit outside all the time and then take it back inside to post on reddit.
pa7x1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:21:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In /r/leagueoflegends I got double digit downvotes for explaining that a polarized crystal does let laser pointers pass through.
If the laser pointer is linearly polarized then you only have to turn it and it will go through untouched. If it is circularly polarized then only half of the intensity is filtered.
They were circlejerking against riot for not using booths. They had marvelous solutions to everything, noise of thousands of people in a stadium? Just soundproof the booth, easy. Laser pointers? Polarize the glass.
The real science is not as simple, but if it gets in the way you can simply downvote it.
I studied theoretical physics and wear those downvotes with pride, one of the high points of my career.
I got down voted for saying a highlights reel of a woman's AFL match wasn't very good. I'm not being a misogynist, it was just bad football.
samamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:25:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A video where a guy was bicycling on the road and a driver got pissed at him and i commented on it wondering why the guy is bicycling on the road instead of the sidewalk and got downvoted into oblivion.
Seems reasonable. You aren't supposed to cycle down the sidewalk.
samamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
where im from you are not supposed to cycle in with the traffic but on the sidewalk or on the edge of the road, im from a small finnish town so its not like its crowded or anything
maybe in bigger towns you simply cant bicycle among the foot traffic and the sides of the streets are filled with parked cars.
In a post about addiction I talked about my friend dying and two weeks later finding out my dad was an addict in his 50s. I was looking for help but all I got was downvoted... Jerks
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit... Really sorry man.
avsngh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Told someone in askwomen that they were in fact not raped, after then invited their attacker on a romantic date with the intention of going farther, and when asked if they wanted to have sex said yes...
Apparently they don't take kindly to saying you can't take back consent years later... don't remember which throw away it was, but that was negative hundreds.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If she changed her mind during and tells him to stop and he doesn't then yes that's rape. If she changes her mind but says nothing, then you can't really blame the guy.
It was a, in hind sight, I shouldn't have done that.... if it was a nvm, get off of me she'd have my sympathies, but what she had was regret, not sexual assault.
With regards to a teenaged boy (under 18) who was convicted of rape, I voiced my opinion that after he serves his sentence he should be a free man to live his life.
The hive mind sentiment was either 1. life in prison or 2. execute him as if he were a murderer. For raping someone. As a teen.
Sorry I think people are entitled to freedom after serving their prison sentence. My bad.
Eptar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:24:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, rape is a crime that not even murderers will tolerate (especially if the victim was a child). If you didn't mention anything about the rapist keeping a sex-offender tag on him, then I can understand being downvoted.
jjh927 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Murderers don't tolerate rapists because they like thinking there are people worse than them. Rapists probably also think themselves morally superior to murderers, even if they accept what they did as a crime. Personally, having experienced neither first-hand, I don't think I can say which is worse.
Warpato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really true though....pedos won't fair well
But rapists usually don't have to deal with too much and plenty criminal groups from street gangs to more organized groups have engaged in rape
I'm operating on the assumption here where were talking about people in prison
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Long but here's a good argument for your position.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the same way, especially when it comes to drug use/ selling and especially in athletes cases.
Athletes and celebrities are normal people too. They do bad things some times. They fuck up.
But when they fuck up the entire world turns them into the evilest villains and they should be locked up for life/ executed.
I can't blame any athlete for any crime they commit. A lot of these guys grew up in the streets. They came from nothing. The fact that they were able to become professional athletes is a testament to their talents and work ethic. It's a shame that people forget that they are normal people. They probably grew up around a lot of crime and were able to overcome it.
In a thread that asks people what they've been down voted for, I am yet again asked to defend my opinion.
It's not that it's less bad to rape someone when you're young. It's that there's a reason children aren't tried as adults for certain crimes. Teenagers make mistakes. I'm not saying it's excusable. I'm saying hey, if someone is 15 and commits a crime that isn't cold-blooded murder, maybe they deserve a second chance after they serve their sentence. Maybe they shouldn't rot in jail for the rest of their lives just because they made a mistake when they were young.
Teenagers are impulsive. Their brains aren't fully formed. They don't always understand the gravity of their decisions or the consequences of their actions.
And again, I'm not saying a criminal convicted of rape gets a free pass. But ten years in jail followed by a lifetime on the sex offenders registry seems like punishment enough to me. Especially if the offender is under 18.
Warpato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe any under 18 should be tried as an adult ever ...ypu can't deny someone rights on the basis they're not mature/developed enough to handle it but then expect them to be mature/developed enough on judgement day
Sometimes I feel like these towns shouldn't even have local police. What are the chances of the 2 to 5 people they pick for the job being at all qualified? It's just too small of a hiring pool for something so important. They'd be better off relying on county and state police.
Or just create a "Neighborhood Watch" type of thing out of it, where it's not exactly volunteers, but not exactly full police officers either.
I don't actually get the whole transgender thing and "gender identity" and what not. But what the hell is the difference between gender and sex?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sex = based on physical characteristics (ie, whether you've got a penis or a vagina, boobs vs flat chest, ability to grow facial/body hair etc), gender is more about your identity and who you are, how you think.
In my comment, I simply said although they overlap 99% of the time, it's rude to completely disregard someone's gender because of their sex (ie, calling a post transition trans woman a man, or describing trans people as "unnatural", "deranged" or "false" is unnecessarily rude and that there are kinder ways of phrasing things...
Surely what you define as gender and sex should correlate with each other, that's how our genes are meant to be just like were meant to have 2 legs. So could having a different "gender" be seen as a birth defect? Just as being born with 4 legs is. I'm genuinely asking a question not being a dick, I'm not saying birth defects are bad things they are just things that happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they should correlate, and do about 99% of the time, but there's sometimes exceptions, and when there are exceptions, it's generally more polite to see the person, not just the parts (unless in a medical context).
Some people see it that way, and I've got no issue with it if it's the body that's seen as the 'defective' and not the person, as it gets a bit problematic if it's meant as if being trans is a mental defect...
A bit like in my case, I'm a trans man and tend to think of myself as being like any other guy but with a problem that meant I didn't develop the right parts and went through the "wrong" puberty because my body couldn't produce enough testosterone, and compare it to conditions that cis guys can get (ie low testosterone levels causing later physical development, gynecomastia, vocal cord damage, etc.)
So you could say that as your definition of gender and sex SHOULD correlate (I appreciate that this is not always the case), then in the cases they do not this could be described as a birth defect or a mental illness.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I identify as a man is that I was born as one. I never gave it any thought other than that.
I just feel like myself, and part of being my self is that I was born a man.
I don't understand this idea of thinking of oneself as something they've never been.
If someone wasn't born a man, they have no concept of what it is to be one, so how can they honestly say that they feel as if they were supposed to be one?
Following the other person, I'm not trying to be rude, just it always confuses me.
The most recent one was when I said something about how people who are really fat aren't just fat because they are lazy. I said they have more going on than that emotionally and mentally. People didn't like that.
Then there was the time I said people should not hit people out of anger. People really disagreed with that and thought that people should be hit when they deserve it. I disagree in that sure, sometimes people deserve to be hit but it is still wrong to be the one to hit them unless we are talking self defence.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fat people hate still lives on in reddit unfortunately.
even if they are fat like who gives. some people are going to be bigger or smaller than others. i see no problem with that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
most things I post get down voted. I'm starting to suspect I don't fit in on reddit, I'm okay with this.
JL_1218 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was in a thread about what America does best
I said "has school shootings and does nothing to prevent them from reoccurring"
I said "you shouldn't blast an air horn into the phone when talking to Comcast support because those people don't make the rules but are just doing a job they probably hate." -350ish karma. Jokes on them I made 400 sweet sweet karma when I posted it in a " what's the most unreasonably downvoted comment you've ever made" tread. Hahahha suckers!!
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As are you, and I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their opinion, if you love it then fuck yeah, you got your money's worth, but I just think they're bland now.
The reason people like the movies are not because they think the plot is compelling. It's because it's has cool action scenes ect. There's more than one way to enjoy a movie.
Unless they like kids "too much." I've had students that want to be kindergarten teachers, but they feel like it would be a bad idea becuase they don't want to be called a pedo.
I think it's more of a fear all men have, than a stereotype that all people hold. Men are afraid of being accused of being a pedophile, but reasonable people don't automatically assume they are.
I worked at a job that ran parties for little kids. I've had a few crazy moms here and there. But ascetic jews were by far the most difficult to deal with due to this entire male can't touch a female whatever.
In a thread asking for bands you like ruined by the singer, i mentioned smashing pumpkins because their instrumental music is a revelation, but billy corgan's voice sounds like a capybara being squeezed to death... so nasal.
Downvoted because i answered the question.
Esco91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it in /r/music? Saying that you don't like almost anything music related there will get you heavily downvoted, apart from with a few certain styles/artists that seem to get the complete opposite.
From what i remember it was a reply to a quote from some "feminist" in 2012, something that implied women are afrid of being murdered while men bitch about getting their feelings hurt
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think you were down voted because your comment relates to a mens issue when the discussion was about women.
Yeah but Trump is literally Hitler and throwing bricks through the windows of people who support him is like throwing a brick through Hitler's window. Hey have you seen John Oliver's video where he shows just how Hitler Drumpf is? Because he is literally Hitler. It's definitely not fascistic to throw bricks through the windows of people who have different political views than me.
Hey, great idea, all us anti Trump people should get together one night and throw bricks through the windows of all the Drumpf supporter's houses and cars. Because that way, we're fighting literally Hitler. We'll call it the Night of Broken Glass Fighting Literally Hitler. Maybe John Oliver could talk about it.
I would hope that wouldn't need a sarcasm tag, but some of my liberal friends are convinced that anything you do to Trump supporters short of killing them is deserved.
Eptar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I can definitely confirm this. Some liberals go absolutely batshit if you say ANYTHING positive about Trump.
I consider the action of putting a sticker on someone's car to be vandalizing it. So the first douche was already in the wrong. Then, unfortunately, another cunt came along and decided to kick it up a notch since he also has no self control. No rock would have gone through his window if is "friend" had not first vandalized the vehicle.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because a person is only as good as their word. If they're willing to throw that away just to scam me out of a few bucks, they're out more than I am.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can also think that you're just testing their trust . The ones that are trustworthy will never be afraid of such tests and will support you for it, because they know they'll only get more trust in the end .
The ones that object any attempt to test their trust on them, on the other hand...
In a thread about favourite animated films I posted that my favourites were, Inside Out for 3d, and Princess Mononke for 2d.
I've had other posts getting more downvotes, but those were more contentious/controversial. With this, I just posted the names of two films I really like.
S-jhone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With a -12 score, it was an answer to someone talking about their teenager relatives freaking out and crying about things, but a normal teenager isn't supposed to cry about.
I understand, but why did eleven people AT LEAST feel the need to down vote me?
funchy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daring to post outside of /r/vegetarian or /r/vegan an answer to a question that involves a plant based protein source, even if it's in the most non confrontational way.
Food is just food to most people, healthy or not, they don't want to over think it so they down vote. They associate "plant based protein" jargon as smug hipster deuchebaggery
Someone asked what happened when a guest ruined a wedding. I responded with the following references. Hit -13.
"After careful consideration, I've decided to become a grandfather! But I'm sworn to secrecy."
The best man was supposed to leave New York for a job in Chicago that night. He left the wedding early, met a girl(the bass player from the wedding band), and stayed, after a tear filled goodbye.
Everybody died. It's now referred to as The Red Wedding.
The groom got eaten by a giant alien creature, and the bride had to kill it.
This ugly ass ogre objected and turned the bride into an ogress.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that declawing cats is animal abuse and should be made illegal. Got tons of downvotes from people who clearly think mutilating an animal's feet for the sake of their furniture is A-ok.
asyty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
any time i've ever said anything negative about zack snyder or man of steel in r/movies, it was blindly downvoted. interestingly enough, this didn't happen as much after batman v superman: dawn of justice came out
Haha I remember after the last week of the regular season I said that Bama was the best team in the country and that Stanford should be the 4th team in the playoff not Michigan State. Downvoted to oblivion, and I was right about both of them.
zm34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is because you are wrong.
salbris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you think your reasoning is valid. He's basically saying the 3rd game is better in every way from the others. How does that imply it's bad?
"All they did was improve" implies they only changed minor things, but left the core of the game the same.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once mentioned flaws in the release version of The Witcher 3, such as a the clunky interface on the PC-Version and the horrible approach to female characters
(Both these things have been addressed by the Dev's in patches and DLC, btw., so they saw them as issues too).
That was during the Witcher-Is-Out-Lord-And-Saviour-Phase of r/gaming. I got around -50, I think.
Whatโs wrong with the approach to female characters?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The Witcher 3 has a very limited array of female characters to start with.
Most of the NPCs you meet are men, this is especially true for plot-relevant characters.
Those female characters that do exist pretty much all fall into the two types of Love-Interest or Daughter-Figure. Note how both of those types of roles require a man.
Then there are the finer points that the women in the game have very little agency on their own. Triss and Yennefer for example follow along with what others do for the most part. They have very little in terms of their own goals, considering their importance to the Lore. (Note: I'm aware that they do have goals on their own, like Yen's stuff with the Djin and Triss leading the mages away, it's just preciously little considering the scope of the Wichter III. They keep bragging about how it's the scope of three novels or something, yet the whole game has like five significant female characters (Ciri, Yen, Triss, Kira and that girl on Skellige that want's to be queen))
Then there is Ciri: the plot of the Witcher III is pretty much about her. It's part of her story. However, she is relegated to a side-character in her own story. That's wierd. In the books it's the other way around: Geralt is the side-character when the story focuses on Ciri.
I am not saying the Witcher III hates women or is a terrible game. I am (and was) just saying that this is a rather glaring flaw in an otherwise great game. The rest of the game shows a level of narrative skill that makes it clear that it could have been done better. It's certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the previous entries of the Witcher series (Hi there, titty-collection-cards from the first game!)
These issues have been addressed in the Blood and Wine DLC, by the way. It features female characters who check off the points above: They don't fall into the protect-me-or-fuck-me stereotypes so bad and they have goals and ambitions on their own that aren't just reactions to what men do.
Thanks. I don't quite agree with everything (for instance, I think it's fine that the others are side characters), but I agree that most of the female characters fall into two specific roles. That's been something that kind of plagues the whole series, actually, though as you said, it's way better than the first game.
Replied to a comment that did a Sesame Street Count joke without the Muahaha bit. Added the laugh and a FTFY... Buried in down votes. Guess they weren't Sesame Street fans?
diaboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically everything I post in /r/AsianBeauty. I love the subreddit, it's really helpful and useful, but I get a lot of downvotes every time I post there, even though I'm following the rules. I always get helpful, sincere answers to my questions, even if the questions themselves get downvoted.
Posted in xxfitness that if you want a certain physique, focus on your macros rather than just eating less calories (supplemented with exercise). First time I made the comment I got up votes, second time I made the comment I got -40 down votes and some chick told me "she can just make shit up too". I hate that community of catty bitches.
I got (mildly) down voted on a thread asking something like "what is the best name you've heard for a dog?" Just thought it was an odd thing to down vote.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that lightsaber battles should look cool, and have an emotional impact.
I made a commented with one of my favorite game soundtracks on a thread about favorite game soundtracks. I think it went to about -5. I can't really remember.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said pregnant women shouldn't be celebrated as mothers on Mother's Day and people were pissed. I couldn't believe the back lash and the nasty things being said to me. Someone said I'm the type of person to say "oh, you had a miscarriage, keep trying.l.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean. As argument. If a pregnant woman is up for the task of raising a child, is willing to support that child, and is working hard to make sure they can provide for their child, I see no reason why they shouldn't be celebrated and encouraged on mother's day.
A guy posted a good deal he got on a lego set and everyone liked the information. I did the same thing with a different set and I turned into a scalper
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was downvoted for saying that you don't need to make anywhere near $150,000 a year to live comfortably in NYC. Some people have a really extravagant idea of living comfortably.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My APUSH teacher always has some ridiculous things to say.
One time he told us that there's no such thing as a middle class and that its something the left makes up to trick us.
He thinks that everyones either super rich or super poor and that "middle class" issues are all bullshit.
ablaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alyssa Campanella was posted on /r/gentlemanboners. I posted in the comments that she was a gamer and watched Game of Thrones (both true statements). Got like 30 downvotes, and I have no idea why...
Literally any time you don't jump on the League of Legends hate bandwagon and say something neutral or - Icefrog forbid - even positive about Riot's game, work, or attitude.
I recently got a number of downvotes for saying that a guy who repeatedly raped his two stepsons, offered them up to others, and forced them to partake in incest with each other should be castrated.
For anyone interested, he basically got 14 years in jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think someone who has shown such a violent and selfish disregard for human life requires more punishment than a slap on the wrist. I wouldn't categorize castration as an "eye for an eye" kind of punishment as the ones you have listed, but I get your point in providing those examples. I suggested it because I have read about pedophiles who have voluntarily had the procedure and had a positive outcome by not having any sexual desire any more. I am not sure how many of these were actually child rapists though. It's important to note that I didn't suggest that it should be a procedure enforced by the courts. I just said he should be castrated.
I do believe that violent sexual predators cannot be dealt with through traditional therapies, and I sometimes wonder the point of giving them any jail time at all, except for making ourselves feel better about our inability to really assert any meaningful justice. Even if there was a therapy that worked, I doubt the prison system would provide adequate access for prisoners. Surely, for most, prison is not a deterrent; it's just enough time to fool ourselves into feeling safe again and to forget how brutally disgusting some people can be.
On another note, my annoyance with being downvoted is not that people disagree with my opinion, but that I would be downvoted for "voicing" an opinion in a subreddit that clearly states that downvotes are to be used for those who break the rules of the subreddit, and not as a means to show disagreement.
If you get enough downvotes, your contribution is essentially censored which ruins any chance of having a real discussion about other points of view.
I am always open to discussion and I try to respect that others hold opinions that I don't which is why I enjoy roaming around places like Reddit. However, there are always a few who aren't mature enough to recognize that there is something to be gained from our differences, even if the only thing we get from the exchange is a strengthening of our own position.
Edit: spelling
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a post on /r/nfl a while back asking for teams w/ the worst QB situation. I said the Jets/Texans/Cowboys/9ers/Browns some of which ended up being popular answers on the thread but I was downvoted to the bottom because some Texans fan misread my comment and others agreed with them.
This whole post makes me feel better. I get down-voted for random things. I asked my husband about it, (he introduced me to Reddit) and he just shrugged and said "it's the internet dear"
In r/KerbalSpaceProgram I spoke out against the literal copy and paste posts that come up over and over again, got downvoted to hell and back.
livefox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in IT for a call center that deals with sensitive customer information and posted a comment about turning in a supervisor that was trying to use their title to play phone games while working on customer account (no phones were allowed on the floor for customer safety).
I was told I was basically filth and a dirty nark and that I was the reason people hate their jobs, and got double digit downvotes.
And so, my perspective on tipping is apparently different from every kid who shows up at your door and says, "I met the minimum requirements of my job, so you should pay me even more." Common response: "Butbutbut, I -deserve- this..."
After several back-and-forths, I just reverted to baiting them. I was genuinely entertained for a couple of days, but BoyOhBoy, did that cost me in points!
(For the record, my opinion is that anyone who excels at what they're doing deserves a tip; those who, as I said above, just barely meet the minimum requirements of the job do not -- they get their share of the 'delivery fee', even if it's not all of it, and that's that.
(It is thus a surprisingly difficult job to excel at.)
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I generally agree with tipping people regardless of their performance (unless they're complete assholes or something)
You never know what people might be going through/ their story/ their struggles, so I try not to judge and just tip accordingly because atleast they delivered my pizza and I appreciate that enough to warrant a tip.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On CSGO REDDIT: An Australian said he had his first laugh of the day at 10AM (posted at 10PM Australian time). I said it wasn't anything special unless he meant 10 PM.
I got downvoted a lot!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was in an "unpopular opinion" thread. Even if I disagree on those threads I tend to not argue because, you know, unpopular opinion thread. Anyways some guy commented that he regularly throws his lit cigarette butts on the ground anywhere that he is. He was being a douche about it though, and would insult people who replied to him. So eventually he said something to somebody who was arguing for the environment along the lines of "that's cool and all that you have an opinion, but those of us who do it don't really care." So I commented "that's cool and all that you have an opinion, but those of us who give a flying fuck about the planet don't care." He got up voted and I got down voted. Then he replied that he would "buy non-dolphin safe tuna in my honor". Christ, what a douchebag.
aezart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I misinterpreted a family tree and got -13. I thought it was showing the person, their children, their grandchildren, etc. But it was actually showing their parents, their grandparents, etc.
Why the fuck would it go back in time from left to right?
I was on r/trollxchromosomes and there was this joke post about "I was with a guy and after sex we were talking and he said the wage gap was a " myth" " and then it shows a cartoon of something getting out as quick as possible.
If you said anything against that the wage gap is real and a problem you were downvoted to hell. I commented something in response to some saying some snarky about wage gap "deniers" and i had several sources....didn't matter I got super downvoted and no one else bothered to respond.
SRD vote brigaded my most downvoted comment. In the comment section of SRD they were agreeing with what I had to say but just downvoted my because it was the one linked to it. A few of my other comments even got a good amount of upvotes (none near the amount of downvotes the linked comment got)
After getting called out for reposting, I tried to explain to a person the fact that taking a gif from one sub to another, where it can also apply, isn't reposting, but rather x-posting which is done all the time. Nope, downvoted hard via snowball effect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I replied to a thread about a 26 year old having a ONS with a 18 year old and said he was not in a any way a pedophile, I brought the wrath of /r/relationships upon me.
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not massively downvoted but I got downvoted for advising people to block people that are harassing them online.
For saying that I thought the Arkham Knight was Jason Todd (the red hood) months before the game came out.
I was right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there are others, but this one surprised me. The other day someone asked about things we like the smell of in askreddit. I said I actually rather like the smell of chloroform. I was downvoted.
I'm a chemist, and I was serious. It has a very delicate and sweet smell that is very pleasant. Smelling it doesn't automatically knock you out like they show in movies.
People over in /r/conspiracy were talking about a site called TOTSE which was, in their words, "full of hacking, drugs, bomb making, scamming, phishing" and also "On numerous occasions, totse, grouped up, in real life [...] They put neon signs on Bridges in the USA, causing a nationwide bomb scare.". The site got taken down and I got downvoted for saying this was a good thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4m7qbn/totse_conspiracy_the_fall_of_the_temple_of_the/
I went on r/relationships and said I could see things from the guys perspective (he wasn't abusive and he hadn't cheated) and that maybe the girl could give him another chance. Down voted to like -10
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He essentially embarrassed her and in front of her friends intentionally because he thought it was funny. If you look at my post history it should be pretty close to the top. I would link it to you but I'm not sure how on mobile :/ please check it out though I'd like to here another perspective on it.
There was also one where I joked about how you should keep shooting commercial reloads cause people getting hurt is awesome. No one saw it as a joke. The point was every week someone posts about how something went bad yet people still use it.
When prompted for what I know about Norway in an Ask Reddit article, I replied with a very brief description of the 2011 Oslo, Norway terrorist attacks and called the terrorist responsible a subhuman scumbag. Two downvotes. Not my record, but I believe I called it correctly.
One time I found a thread about Grade A Under A, and someone said they didn't like his voice. I replied in agreement and we both got downvoted. Then he had his little meltdown and on a discussion thread someone got plenty of upvotes for saying his voice was annoying. Like... The degree of how annoying his voice is didn't change, so...
Geth_VI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I downvote him, the joke makes sense and I lose... If I upvote him, he gets karma and I lose... The only way to win is not to play? (sorry if I misquoted that)
I said somethning about redditors making ignorant claims about things they probably never experieinced let alone understood, downvotes ensued. I wouldn't be suprised if people decided to check out my PH and then started to downvote this comment aswell tbh.
Someone posted a video of a mortician who posts photos of body parts of the people she autopsies. I said I thought it was completely unethical and really upsetting. My mom donated her body to science after she passed and the idea that someone could have exploited her like that is sickening. Morbid curiosity is not a good enough reason to do this. But hey, apparently I'm in the minority there.
Qender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone posted in r/Star Trek something like "what could you say to anger as many trek fans as possible."
Most people wrote stupid stuff like "Star Wars is better I hate Scotty" and got upvotes.
I wrote several paragraphs explaining why the popular trek meme "darmok and jalaad at tanagra" is meaningless fluff like Big Bang theory's "bazinga". It's a flawed concept because it's just a metaphor which every language in Star Trek already has, and that there are so many great quotes and stories that it's terrible people generally use this one to represent the show.
A ton of trek fans got angry and downvoted me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said "totally the name of your sextape!" I got more than 100 downvotes. I still don't know why?
Old account, someone asked what was the worst crime you got away with, and I replied with the details of the high school criminal empire that was handed to me by my brother. Downvoted in the double digits.
hajjr6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said moms spaghetti on a comment chain and got -500. Also on one of those "Karma Casino" threads where there's a comment chain made of the same one word comments (i.e. cat), I got downvoted by like -600 karma.
Anything on /r/RocketLeague just ends up in an unreasonable amount of downvotes.
I once confused the definition of the term "pinch" and I got to like -15 before I said I was sorry and explained that I didn't know that it means something different in that game..
nmarder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suggested that a 17 y/o victim of parental child abuse should consider suing her parents when she turned 18.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That may be because the whole process of suing can be quite long and tedious and the victim would have to recount all the horrible memories of how they were abused.
nmarder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a valid point. Nevertheless, I was downvoted to hell and not a single person actually wrote a reply.
I received -21 votes for saying that if you see a dog in a hot car, even if it's in distress, you're an idiot and an asshole if you smash the window in order to "rescue" it.
Yes, the guy is an asshole for making that video public, but the girl is also a dimwit for making a sex video for a guy she keeps breaking up with and thinking nothing bad will happen. Girls, you never know what kind of person the guy you're dating will turn into once you break up with him. Err on the side of caution. Never make a sex video.
I received -21 votes for saying that if you see a dog in a hot car, even if it's in distress, you're an idiot and an asshole if you smash the window in order to "rescue" it.
In many states it's legal to do this if the animal is in immediate danger, so how does that make someone an idiot?
I have made sex videos. I don't really see the big deal. If he shows it to anyone, he'll be showing himself too, so he's risking as much as I am.
It's also stupid to go smashing car windows. What are these vigilantes going to do, just stand there with the dog until the owner comes along and beats the crap out of them?
Something along the lines of replying to a statement that a "second" is called what it is because it is the first division of the hour. I responded with asking why isn't a minute called a first then and got down voted to hell. That's not the bad part. A couple months later, I see the same comment chain and the exact question got 800 upvotes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show consists of nothing but back stab u and passive aggressive characters plotting and scheming against each other with 8 different plotlines you have to follow.
Some dude on TIL posted that Ali was against interracial marriage on the day he died and I posted that he chose a great time to post that and currently at -61
I said once that 60fps video (as in Youtube videos, not actually playing a game myself) made me motion sick, because it just feels unnatural to see things be that smooth without having some level of motion blur, not to mention the Cheap Sitcom Effect for 60fps live-action video. Seven months on, and it's still #1 on my "/comments/?sort=controversial" page.
Other gems: Assorted posts on /r/Windows10 (I seem to have a love-hate relationship with that sub, one post I get upboats for good advice, the next it gets downvoted to oblivion for the same advice but worded oddly), admitting that the MLP fandom has mad animation skills even if I'm not a fan of the show itself, making an Undertale joke on /r/pcmasterrace, and mentioning my tobacco/weed-smoke allergy... in a pot-related AskReddit thread.
Mu69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Said a guy might have shin splints in
/r/running (He described basically what he felt, and I have felt it before so I was taking a guess)
Said that a guy that makes CHILD PORN should be raped cause he basically fucked up those kids lives
Someone found a way to trick a website into selling them something for nearly half the original price. I called it slimey, said they were scamming the site. The people in the thread informed me that it was the site's fault for not removing the glitch in first place, so basically the site was asking for it.
Every single time I talk shit about the Red Hot Chili Peppers I get down voted to oblivion. That's about as unreasonable as it gets. They're the WORST.
a really bad sarcastic joke referring to another character being better than another.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not my most unreasonably downvoted, but eh. Still relevant.
In /r/PS4, I said that I hope the Last Guardian takes place in the Forbidden Lands from Shadow of the Colossus before everyone fled and deserted it so that it can expand upon what the area was like while it was populated because I always liked the area in SotC.
I was at -2 Karma within the hour IIRC, not a single comment explaining why it was worth downvoting.
Other than that just post anything other than the cover art for Witcher 3 in /r/Gaming and you'll be rolling in downvotes.
I made a few Rebus puzzles for paint Monday in r/soccer. They're probably nowhere near as clever as I think they are, but I certainly don't think they're bad enough for -12 (and -9 for the explanation!). Right? (please say yes this is a very important issue I have lost as many nights of sleep as I have lost karma points over this because karma is crucial to my survival)
I got super down voted once because I said being a pedophile was a terrible thing...not kidding people saying "he just made a mistake, get over it"...like the child that was raped won't suffer from it for potentially his entire life.
There is a shockingly high number of pedophile/rape apologist here on reddit it turns out.
When I said that people's parents who didn't put in a dime for their children's tuition should refrain from telling their child what to major in. Got down voted pretty bad. Still trying to recover.
I questioned whether or not Sidney Crosby even had balls in the hockey subreddit. Got -50. It was worth it.
SosX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said a human life is worth more than any and all my pets. People really like their pets apparently, also don't care much for the value of human life.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree that human life is inherently more important than any other life. Why would it be? We're human, so of course we view ourselves as more important. But there's nothing that proves that. It's just what we believe.
Someone asked why lesbians are often offended by lesbian porn.
I explained several of the many reasons. People decided to use my comment to convince me that I am absolutely wrong about how lesbians feel about lesbian porn, and that the objections to lesbian porn are either all false or could also apply to all porn. I was just answering the question....
I was in /r/relationships last week and some woman gave an update to a break up she said she wasn't feeling the relationship anymore and wanted to break note the post itself had 98 upvotes but she was getting shit on in the comments. A commenter wrote "Why is she getting shit on" and I said "because she a woman on reddit with no feelings." and got -5 AND someone said in reply to me it's because she was too mean to her ex and because he was crying and emotional he should have gotten the house plus op was still replying and so i wrote to her
"Yes op speak with your crazy ex alone nothing bad could happen
It shouldn't matter 5 minutes or 50 years this is how you end it. What i got from this is we only got to read from op's prospective and from what she wrote she gave him too much sympathy. Was it mean? No, someone had to move out and he was acting out of line so op gets to stay and he has to get over it."
After this the op got more upvotes I got up votes and I had my first justice boner
A dad posted a picture of himself playing video games with his baby and I said "you are ridiculously good looking" or something along those lines. I was down voted into oblivion.
In this game i play there used to be a person who was leagues ahead in skill than everybody else. Compare it to the Netherlands on speed skating during the last winter olympics. At some point he cheated and got banned (it's worth noting that he wasn't accused of cheating beforehand, just a couple of scores he cheated). 2 Years later he came back and started streaming on twitch and got several thousand viewers and even twitch admins hyping. I said that i would rather have that attention go to someone who wasn't banned and was greeted with about 20 downvotes.
I said that some black people are using #BlackLivesMatter to shield themselves so that they can say blatantly obvious racist remarks. Got double digits for that one.
In one of the makeup groups that used to pop up on my /r/all feed when I first started, some girl posted a selfie of having only done 1 eyebrow for some reason, and then leaving the house.
she said, I knew something was wrong...
I said, I thought it was your resting bitchface. (-84)
I defended Donald Trump once, only because he was the only (serious) Republican candidate who doesn't hate gays and transgender people, which is completely true.
Deleted the comment because all the Bernie fans refuse to believe that Trump wasnt the worst Republican candidate, and downvoted me -50.
That's a broad judgement to make. Do you consider Cena and Ambrose to be irrelevant? As well as the Usos and every Superstar & personnel who has made (or will be making) appearances?
That's from /r/SquaredCircle. It was in reference to whether or not a wrestler becomes irrelevant for making an appearance on Total Divas.
fishfur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a previous account, I stupidly replied to a thread about what popular movie do you dislike. I got downvotes, and people replied telling me that the movie was awesome. I really don't understand people sometimes.
ariehn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever referenced a joke so old that everyone's forgotten it was a joke?
So instead of being that guy with the lame jokes you're that unbelievable douchenozzle that upset everybody?
Can't be bothered looking for the comment, but last time I looked for it, it had something like 120 down votes. The original commenter sarcastically commented about whatever the post was about (I think it may have been on r/nottheonion). So, I replied with a sarcastic comment, agreeing with the guy, and I was bombarded by people calling me an idiot and that I couldn't detect sarcasm, which I find pretty ironic.
MpMerv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted for telling people it's okay not to check your blind spots if your side mirrors are appropriately adjusted. Apparently there are a lot of motorcyclists on reddit.
Someone made a post to /r/skyrim saying something like 'who said skyrim can't look good on low end systems', and I commented something like 'everybody' because the pictures looked shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A person replied to one of my comments, saying something about, "An American Country". I asked "What's an American Country". Cos I just found it weird. Other people did and I was down voted. Am I missing something?
I was just speculating about MGSV's story in a thread for a Lets Player's video and I got completely buried because I was right. As well trying to explain that my speculation came from watching an in-depth playthrough of the original Metal Gear games was completely impossible.
I said couples should be allowed to sit next to each other at a wedding reception.
Dicoguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cat
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were all these people calling this girl an attention whore because she was cute, and she took a picture of herself in frog slippers.
But then I said something like, "She's not an attention whore because she took a photo of her slippers. Someone else submitted this picture, not her. In fact, if you look at the pic, and see how many people she shared it with, it says only 5 people."
"I don't believe in stories" referring to the
Bible. Got a bunch of down votes if I recall correctly. Didn't pay too much attention.
Stoibs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When WWE2k16 released on PC, there was a thread about it on /squaredcircle with a handful of people who had already bought it answering some questions about the port job.
Being somewhat interested in it, I inquired whether the FPS was actually capped at 60, or allowed for unlimited for those of us with beefier rigs and 144hz monitors, apparently this was perceived and being elitist and something of a /pcmasterace humblebrag, and so was downvoted into oblivion.. I don't actually even remember if my reasonable question was answered or not.
The question was, "what's the most ridiculous thing you got made fun of for?" I said, "big boobs" I'm not sure if they thought I was attention seeking...but it actually happened
The correct way to spell the word "realize" is with a z rather than an s, yet I see "realise" plastered all over reddit and it quickly became a pet peeve of mine on this site. I pointed it out once and those in the thread thought I was trolling and was promptly downvoted.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're actually both correct and depends which country you're in. We use realise in Australia.
I once encouraged people to register for to be a bone marrow donor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In r/catsstandingup I commented Cat. like everyone else and got downvoted. :( Never again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread about whether people wipe standing up or sitting down, someone asked how sitters wipe without getting their forearm all over the seat. Someone replied that it wasn't an issue. I replied that it was literally my biggest concern of the matter. Five or so downvotes immediately.
BUT HOW DO YOU NOT GET YOUR FOREARM ALL OVER THE SEAT?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in an askreddit thread ages ago called something like "what's something about america's culture that you just don't understand?" or similar. One guy answered that he didn't get why people asked for/expected tips and that it "disgusted" him that waitresses and waiters asked for them. So I thought I'd explain to him (politely) that in the US, they rely on those tips to live and that he should be disgusted at the fact that they are forced to live off tips. Got downvoted. Not too much, but it was still bewildering.
When I was younger I went to a conference thing in Washington DC and was told that if China invaded with their full force they would overwhelm the USA through numbers. Assuming each rocket from the US kills 1 enemy jet, tank etc., the US would run out of rockets before the Chinese ran out of soldiers. This was 8 years ago though so who knows.
On /r/mildyinteresting someone posted a picture of a TV in their dentist's office, which they thought was uncommon. I said it wasn't and that I had watched some home improvement show the other week at the dentist, in a reply to someone saying it wasn't uncommon. -1 karma
robmox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I replied to a post on /r/guns once to the effect of "I want to get an AR, any recommendations on where to start?" In less than 20 minutes I was at -28 and had a handfull of comments that basically said "That's not an AR you dumbass." Not a single person even made an attempt to correct me or help me. I get where they're coming from, because of the stigma against assault rifles in the US, but I was asking a question looking for help, not baiting them into letting me confiscate their illegal firearms. Needless to say, I only comment on handgun posts now, because those I'm more familiar with.
The day before Lance Armstrong admitted to doping I suggested in a thread it was nearly impossible that he didn't as he lost a year to cancer and all its complications while his competition continued training at 100% and then he came back and beat them. I think that got -20.
There was someone talking about the name Frambois, someone else brought up an Archer joke, I replied to that with another Archer joke. "Pele of Anal" to be exact and no one liked it. I'm sorry I'm a fan.
Jowitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that I thought 'Children of Men' was overrated in a thread that was asking 'What movie do you think is overrated?'
I certainly liked the movie and thought it was pretty well done, but I didn't think it was some holy grail of science fiction like some people had been making it out to be at the time (on /r/movies).
But then again, I haven't seen it in a while so maybe my opinion has changed.
I went on the chinese subreddit and someone was asking for the Cantonese written version of a word and I told them Cantonese doesn't have a written form.
I later checked if I was wrong and am still confused since Cantonese itself doesn't have a truly unique written form, rather normal Chinese with some words swapped out
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's some characters that only exist for cantonese.
Most recent one, I said that even though I agree with their general stance, the anti-Trump protestors who egged the pro-Trump women were acting despicably. It hasn't been downvoted to hell or anything, it's just the most recent reasonable comment I made that's been downvoted.
I made a comment about getting tired of looking at Aziz Ansari's face after watching a few episodes of Master of None back-to-back. I think I got like -50 or something, it was just very confusing.
Good tacos. I'm on the border with Mexico and I routinely go across to eat tacos. None of the "authentic" Mexican places here come close. I want my birria too goddammit!
Granted it was only at 0 karma, but why? I just said Mexican tacos are better, and most people I meet haven't tried them to compare.
Told someone who mentioned: "going back to 'murica from Mexico" that his statement is wrong because both countries are in 'murica (and he should say USA) - minus 40 or even lower.
/r/bicycling comment about how I fucked up my tire pretty bad but was able to fix it to the point of being able to ride on it for a couple more weeks. Its a true story, yet everyone there tried to say i made it up. Feels good to know that It is true and i have several people who could verify it, including the guy I crashed into and the people i worked with who saw my fucked up tire everyday.
/r/relationships got me for about -300 total when I was telling a 16 year old to not completely abandon his entire group of friends because they pulled a prank. It wasn't a "IT'S JUST A PRANK, BRO!" type prank, but a pretty good normal and well thought out prank.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/android pissed itself like an excited dog over Android N's new multi-window feature. The entire wrath of that community hit me with full force when I pointed out that this was something most - if not all - graphic OSes have been able to do for decades.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
colour is english spelling, color is american spelling. It's not wrong to spell either way as long as you're consistent in your spelling (for example don't use both elevator and colour)
I grew up in the UK so I automatically use english spelling. A few times people have tried to call me out for spelling something with a u (flavour, neighbour) etc. I mean I've never been to america so why would I use the american spelling?
Not too long ago I commented to let people know the existence of /r/cwarrow for those viewers who still wanted to discuss the show and not switch to a different show. Like I get that you 6 downvoters hate the show but don't take it out on people who like it
I can't remember the thread or subject matter now, but someone made a comment I really liked and so I committed a huge Reddit sin by saying, "This needs to be higher up. Come on, Reddit! We can do it!" People flipped out. Tons of downvotes and people telling me to go back to 9gag. I guess that was a noob move...?
This happened like 3 days ago, someone made a joke on a gif of some porn, my comment to said joke was "aww lame can't make a joke on porn" or something along those lines end got -50 for replying to someone else's joke
Losers take porn really really seriously almost like it's real and I've just personally attacked their family.
hlfx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a joke regarding someone explaining personal stuff: was the "typical" plot-twist reddit joke, it seems I do it wrong or whatever, downvoted to hell :(
Before project Morpheus was even rumored, I proposed that Sony could be working VR with the ps4, and how it could be done at an acceptable graphics level. I got downvoted to hell and told it was impossible.
There was a guy whose name was sarcasticorjustrude, so I asked him if he was being sarcastic, or just rude. -16. I edited my comment to explain what happened, and got upvoted, then downvoted again.
The other day in /r/Worldnews I commented on someone that was saying that anyone who thinks it was a good idea to help the refugees was insane telling him that even if out of those million refugees 1000 are terrorists the lives we saved in comparison to the lives that will be taken are more than worth it. I got about -45. Thats when I decided to agree with people when they say that reddit is full of dumbasses.
nagrom7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:52:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted to oblivion in /r/worldnews for defending someone who compared a commenter to nazis. Said commenter wanted to have boats patrol the mediterranean and gun down any refugee boats they saw, also gun down the ones drowning.
Where did you say it? That is very important to understanding the downvotes. If you said it on /r/atheism, no shit. Otherwise, more information is needed.
rahsftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was on askreddit. The thread was about things that make you different from other Redditors. I would like to it, but I removed the comment and can't find the thread.
It was probably the fact that a good amount of redditors are christian, and people thought you were trying to be edgy.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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rahsftw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not supposed to downvote a comment just because you don't agree. Now I think YOU'RE a dumbass.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because I am the only person in a 3000 comment reddit thread that could have possibly downvoted you. You certainly are stupid and have a persecution complex, you need professional help.
rahsftw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:07:40 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not why I called you a dumbass, dumbass.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It must have been god's plan for you to get downvoted.
In a thread asking about your opinion on best car name, I said RAM Laramie Longhorn. I guess my opinion was wrong.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted that I thought smoking in public should be outlawed because you are forcing other people to damage their lungs with your second-hand smoke (or something along those lines...too lazy to find the actual comment).
Apparently redditors are very pro-smoking
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess driving should be outlawed too then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I am driving I have chosen to be on the road with other drivers. I have chosen to assume the risk associated with driving. When someone is smoking outside a building I'm trying to go into, I have not chosen to assume any risk of secondhand smoke. They have chosen for me. Driving is not a fair comparison.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to the pollution that comes from vehicle exhaust.
I have not chosen to assume the risk of breathing that in, the drivers of the cars have.
once in r/dayz I suggested that their PR person was pretty bad because of a total lack of communication (this was like 4 months ago when literally nothing was happening) and got down voted to hell
In the wake of a black woman getting cast as Hermoine for The Cursed Child, I had a couple of arguments against people who 'totally weren't racists' but had very strong objections to the casting, one of which ended in me having literally inform someone that black people can get tans. I believe I also called him a 'racist ass motherfucker', which was probably ruder than I needed to be but, I mean, come-the fuck-on, of course black people can get tans!
Evidently they took exception to this and downvoted me a fair amount, but I stand by my remark.
Calling people out for bringing someone's appearance into a discussion over how they disagreed with what they were saying. Apparently it's still too cool to call people you disagree with "ugly" etc etc
I said bullies should be punished by authority figures. I didn't say kids shouldn't try to defend themselves, just that there should also be real consequences for bullying. I spent many years in school getting bullied directly in front of teachers and they never even tried to help.
I wrote a post expressing my opinions about a game, and another Redditor decided that he didn't like the way I formatted my post, so he copied my post in its entirety with his formatting choices. When I posted a response asking why it would be acceptable to re-post all of my writing and opinion without attribution other than a small note that he was re-posting to add more paragraph breaks (and no mention-by-name, no permalink back to the original post, and not set-off with quote blocks), I was hit with a bunch of downvotes.
Also, it isn't as though my original post was one long run-on sentence. I originally had three paragraphs, the re-post had five, but with the extra carrier-return between each to make that slightly-wider break between paragraphs. That's it, no additional content, no grammar edits, no spelling corrections.
I asked someone in r/trees if they were from a particular area because I thought I recognized something in the post, then someone called me a cop and I was downvoted
I was in a thread discussing the rng of a game and people downvoted me for thinking that it had a bias. People don't realize that computers are actually incapable of creating random numbers. They use what's called pseudo-random number generators that follow the properties that random numbers have, but aren't actually random. I was anecdotally making my case for the rng's bias and people blindly downvoted me into oblivion for having the audacity to suggest that random isn't always random.
I'm aware of that, but I had other reasons to believe that they intentionally made it with a heavier than necessary bias, which was what my post was about.
Sorry. I never mentioned pseudo random numbers in my post that I was referring to, I just implied that the devs had control over the rng and people weren't having it. I just brought up the pseudo random thing in this thread so it didn't happen again
"I've never seen anyone or any website ever suggest that they do. What I have seen is hundreds of reddit posts claiming they don't. It's actually a little creepy how much it's reinforced on here..."
I've personally never met an "anti-vaxxer" nor seen any source claim they cause Austim.
But it is DRILLED into you hard on reddit that they don't and asking any questions will get you downvoted to hell.
Even just posting that anti-vaxxer's are stupid will get you 4k+ upvotes and gold (exaggeration but close to reality).
Before Captain America: Civil War came out there was a post where everyone was all hyped up about Spider-Man, and I said that I didn't really care if Spider-Man was in the movie or not and I probably wouldn't ever care unless Tom Holland turned out to be one of the best things in the movie. Downvoted to about -15.
Someone linked to a video of Bill Burr talking about women. (I don't remember which one, the comment is now deleted.) I had the unmitigated gall to comment that it seemed like Bill Burr may not have the healthiest attitudes about women and relationships because I had noticed that the title of this video and several others were all about how women are gold-digging whores and generally suck.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That time I called a bunch of black kids animals because they were literally throwing food and trash at each other, screaming like monkeys and beating up a teacher who was trying to stop it. I stand by it and call them worse to their face
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because you associated black people with animals and monkeys.
Not that you were wrong or that those kids weren't doing bad things, but it is a pretty insensitive thing to say and definitely justifiably downvoted imo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call them as I see them
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Calling someone who is black a monkey or some sort of non-human ape is associated with racism. Generally because there are certain groups of people who think that black people are degenerate beings due to their race.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
No, you're not supposed to be a saint. You're supposed to, however, not be a racist asshole to children, and using racial slurs against kids is something a teacher shouldn't do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it had been white kids would you still have called them animals? I would have based on how they acted not color. Have an upvote because I agree.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell no! First off, white kids know how to behave and don't beat up little old ladies trying to stop the violence but I would just call them sir or ladies or just massa for short
aetbeut ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:50:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the actual fuck
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I said that I parked a truck and trailer across 5 spots in the parking lot of a Bob Evans. People lost their shit at me for that for some reason.
EDIT: I parked in the back and I had a 40' stock trailer with 5 not so happy horses in the back. It wasn't even busy, either, but people still got pissed at me, both in real life and on here, because holy shit, I ain't trying to park a fucking 50' rig into a single car spot. Sue me. Keep in mind that I'd also been driving all day and I was hungry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was the not so happy horses getting back at you.
It was what is an evil thing that you do. I said I will sometimes park in the middle of two parking spots. I admit that it is evil but I was just answering the question why all the down votes
EDIT. FUCK ALL OF YOU PERFECT ANGELS
Edit: fuck you all bastards
Edit: cat
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That probably triggered something in a lot of people.
I really hate to bring Godwin's law up, but is Reddit really a fan of forcing kosher delis to sell pork and work on the Sabbath just because a customer can come in and claim their civil rights are being violated?
Are cakes and flowers civil rights? No.
Must we get rid of drive thrus as they discriminate against blind people?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was with your original comment until you made the worst and most backwards example I could possibly imagine.
In ZERO cases would your example ever be upheld in any way, shape or form.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can try to sue for anything, I could literally try to sue you for not farting in my direction often enough, that doesn't mean jack shit though because it will get thrown out of court.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:08:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can only critize Christianity when that religion becomes a minority again . It's that simple
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just seems to be that people assume all Christians hate anyone who isn't Christian, and that all Christians are uneducated hicks. We aren't entirely stupid or ignorant. The whole "hating everyone who isn't christian." Thing is kind of rediculous, as it is preached in the bible not to hate anyone, as it is committing murder in your heart. I'm also one of the few Christians who plays Pokemon because I realize it is A) just a game. And B) not in the slightest "demonic" or "evil". In the same vein, I don't mind Harry Potter, as long as the distinction between reality and a movie/book created fiction are understood.
I've no problem with you guys as long as you're respectful of my beliefs as I am of yours.
Unfortunately a lot of the crazies screaming at me has given you guys rather a bad name. :( They're rare, but they're the ones I notice most.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, man. As much as I disagree with transgenderism/homosexuality/bisexuality, I don't hate people nor am I phobic over it. I just pray for them and hope they come around. I treat them as Jesus would have treated them, with love.
people assume all Christians hate anyone who isn't Christian, and that all Christians are uneducated hicks. We aren't entirely stupid or ignorant.
As much as I disagree with transgenderism/homosexuality/bisexuality, I don't hate people nor am I phobic over it. I just pray for them and hope they come around.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would have a better point if politics, policies, and the media weren't so swayed by radical Christian and Puritan ideals.
People dislike Christianity as a whole because the reasonable Christians do nothing to moderate or attempt to stop radical Christians from pushing their crazy agenda.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If we try to get them to stop doing something, they basically call us heretics and tell us to back off. I'm not kidding. Our pastor at our last church was like this, and his sermons were so boring that we were falling asleep during the service. He never could teach anything coherently understandable, either. To the point that my parents would actually let me use my phone that I'm using to post this reply during the service. I think the main reason we hadn't already left at that point is because there were plenty of people there who were reasonable and good, loving people. He said he "doesn't believe" in prom. Well, he thinks it's an unsupervised party of Juniors all night. It is a party of juniors all night, but heavily chaperoned. He was complaining that my older sister was going to prom. This ticked me and my parents off. He complained that I was using my phone during his very boring and incoherent sermons. These events were what motivated is to finally leave.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone posted a well reasoned and non-inflammatory statement critical of Christianity, sure, that's fine. But people usually just think they're being edgy by posting "God exists" under threads like "What false thing did you think was true for way too long". That's dumb. You're being pointlessly incendiary.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I supported Marco Rubio for president. Downvoted because he wasn't a 74 year old socialist Vermont Senator.
Not surprised you're getting downvoted here. I supported him as well, and I wish people would stop downvoting people for simply expressing their views. Did you insult somebody? No. Does your opinion hurt people? No. Ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a guy hit -90 for liking Trump. In the same thread.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:49:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not down voted but banned.
I commented on a picture of a cute woman in Old School Cool.
My comment was: "I definitely would"
I was permanently banned from the sub by the Nazi mod
Because I don't give a shit about Karma or votes, I just created a new username
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:09:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also a pointless comment. It's like something that fat guy from the office would say.
Oh you'd have sex with her? That's amazing. Glad you released us from the suspense of not knowing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some are extra pointless.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:57:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one would know better than you.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:57:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because every comment on Reddit is supposed to be deep and thoughtful. Unless of course the comment police like you chime in to critique others. Presumably because you have no life and Reddit is your only platform to pretend you're relevant.
Not all comments isn't supposed to be deep and thoughtful, but they should at least add to the conversation, have you even read the Reddiquette? Saying that you would have sex with someone isn't contributing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:29:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
" They should at least add to the conversation".... Seriously?
Have you actually been on Reddit? Have you seen the circle jerk conversations? I would go so far as to say most comments add very little with the exception of some of the serious sub Reddits, of which, Old School Cool isn't one of them.
And no I haven't read Reddiquette. Nor have I read the terms and conditions on any other website I visit.
The difference between us is that you are really wrapped up in Reddit, while I could give a shit if it went dark tomorrow.
Being a fanboy is different from not being an asshole on public forums. The reddiquette is a few paragraphs that teach you how to not be an asshole. This is quite obviously something you are in need of.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both on twoxchromosomes one stating that maybe a guy wasn't being sexist and was just honestly concerned for her well being. The other sharing why parents may be more casual about their sons sex life than their daughters. You really can't go against the grain there.
A death cult is a religion or belief system that worships death. If tomorrow I started my own religion about the god of death and how he wants everyone to die in order to serve him in the afterlife, that would be a death cult.
Islam sometimes puts people to death, but they aren't doing it to serve death itself. They do it to punish.
Oh, is that so? And where did you get that definition? Webster's dictionary? I don't think so. Even if that were the definition, fundamentalist Islam wouldn't be too far off. Islamists believe that to be killed in defense of the faith is to martyred, and means that paradise awaits. They worship paradise and therefore they worship death.
'any organization or group that indoctrinate members in devotion or worship of death, suicide or killing
The fact that terrorists have to be persuaded to kill or commit suicide with a promise of paradise shows it isn't a death cult. If it were, they would be doing it for death's sake, not just to receive a reward for serving their religion. They kill to punish, not to please death.
If someone worships death, why would they need anything extra to convince them to die? Is Islam were a true death cult, no paradise would need to be promised because it wouldn't matter to them.
Pedantics, my friend. Once the terrorists ARE indoctrinated into the faith, they begin viewing death as the avenue for eternal life in paradise. Therefore they seek out death through Jihad.
Ever heard this? "We love death more than the infidels love life".
Yes, and I've never seen it mentioned anywhere other than right wing web sites. The video where it supposedly originated seems to be elusive.
Islam has over 1.6 billion followers. If this was a tenet it would appear more.
As for the Muslim Brotherhood, that quote still doesn't say they're dying for the sake of death. They're dying for Allah and a perceived movement. I never said Islam, along with any other religion, doesn't have members that kill themselves or others to please god. But to be a death cult they have to be doing it to please death.
And even if the Muslim Brotherhood was worshiping death, they have about 500K members. Hamas has even less. That's 0.00003% of all Muslims. That would sort of be like giving Mormon characteristics to all Christians.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So no, I suppose they do not seek death for the "sake of death" per say, but they do worship the perceived result of death and the process of dying for the faith. If that is you main qualm with the proposition "Islam is a death cult", then you seem like an apologist and an enabler to me.
In response to: Graduates earning less than those who did not go to university, research reveals : Those studying the creative arts and mass communication go on to be among the lowest paid graduates
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha
Or something like that.
Arcian_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Commented on a post saying that my friend was relentlessly bullied for being a bisexual in high school. And sarcastically asked if he should have filled out a "My feelings are hurt" form.
I do most certainly agree with this statement, my good sir. If I might be so bold, I would say this represents the very pinnacle of what reddit can, should, and will be if we all merely throw our hats into the ring and give the relentless tide of pointless drivel and substance-less posting the ol' what for.
Tally ho and pip pip!
Voccams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a good reply, well written and expertly punctuated. You should be happy with it
That's because complimenting someone's comment adds nothing to the conversation. Those are the kinds of comments the Reddiquette directly says to downvote.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Uber-A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mentioned that in my post. Read it again, you dingbat.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Uber-A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and more than one person hates the movie because they're sexist pigs who dislike the female cast. Lots of people say it doesn't look good for valid reasons with good critiques. But do not act like nobody is sexist towards it. That's why I said this:
People are hating on this movie for two reasons:
A. They're all women.
B. It just doesn't look good.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Uber-A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NO, not really.
Do you not see the horrible, sexist comments online under each of the trailers? Not the controversy stirred up the moment an all female cast was announced?
Dingbat. Open a goddamn book and read it!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Uber-A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not really.
Don't get mad just because YOU didn't read my post correctly and because YOU haven't experienced the sexism.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:30:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dude what the fuck are you on about just give it up
Uber-A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I read that final reply like 3 hours ago and decided to not even give a thoughtful response. He has just opened up a can of worms with his 'rubik logic' and gone on a completely different path to what I was saying.
I said I don't believe guns are a necessity and in many countries officers dont carry any. Got 69 downvotes and people were messaging for says saying "but how will you defend yourself?" As if police and such dont exist.
zm34 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, do you carry a policeman in your pocket every day? When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away. A firearm is also the only thing that can put an old man or a hundred-pound woman on the same level as a physically fit, 200-pound violent criminal.
They "serve and protect" the government. On paper, their job may be to protect the public and many cops may seek to do just that, but in reality, their purpose is to serve the government.
what do you think "serve and protect" means you moron? Jesus christ I don't go around being confrontational, I won't elevate the situation to something much worse and where I live crime isn't rampant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
crime isn't on every street corner, don't aggravate a situation as much as you can, avoid conflict, call the cops. I can't speak for you but I don't go around trying to cause trouble.
because violent crime will find me at every street corner in every alley at any time of day. Give me a break, leave your paranoia at home and don't try and cause trouble, its as simple as that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I commented that Green Goblin should be the next big bad in The Marvel MCU. The OP was just asking opinions on what next after Thanos. Just gave my 2 cents. Got like -10.
I used to frequent r/ gamecollecting and was excited to share my wife and I's game collection / living room setup after getting some pretty unique items. I posted an imgur album and it got something like 32% upvoted... and the only comments were that they didn't like our (antique, handmade middle-eastern) rug and that our curtains weren't a good length (we have awkward sized windows in our apartment). I don't get it.
joazito ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking a 15 year old girl isn't pedophilia, because that's a term that means attraction to prepubescent children (under 11 or, stretching it a bit, 13 years old).
Someone said they liked the movie "There Will Be Blood", then I commented "I Drink Your MILKSHAKE!!!". It got a few likes then someone said "Haha yeah that's what he said in the movie.". Then everyone started disliking my comment, because of his comment!
I made a comment about how people need to calm down about calling out people for reposting. I mentioned that only like 5% of reddit is OC. If you aren't claiming you repost is OC then I don't see the problem. And then I was down voted to hell.
_2006 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying fallout 3 is better then fallout new Vegas is suicide on any fallout reddit
Every time I talk about how I think it's gross to sit in a public toilet without a toilet seat cover or the like I always get downvoted. Let's see how it goes this time.
In /publicfreakout I said biking on the highway is dangerous and that I once was surprised by bikers on the highway and could have hit them if I wasn't paying attention. TONS of downvotes and swearing at me saying I was a horrible human being (For not wanting bikers to die and not hitting them with my car?) also saying I should not be allowed to drive (Again, for avoiding an accident?) and I don't know the law (I didn't mention any laws, but actually where they were biking WAS illegal) and also saying that I'm acting like I'm so great and a super driver (For slowing down). And that I should know unexpected things can happen on the highway (Which is why I said biking is dangerous and why I pay attention while driving so I can avoid hitting people). There were TONS more comments like that so I just ended up deleting my account because the stupid was way too strong. I always delete my account and make a new one when people argue with me because I just don't care to get into arguments.
not specifically but when you post something and its at -5 and a guy replies to you agreeing with everything you said, saying the same exact thing and he is at +5
like wtf ???
or pointing out that something controversial is actually good (with sources) like for example 90% of reddit hates apple, so you can't post how the iPhone 6S is faster than every smartphone ever, with sources of the claim, because you will be downvoted
I said that I felt bad for Pearl Harbor survivors who - to this day - let that singular event define them. Much like how rape and cancer survivors basically introduce themselves by that event, I find it somewhat sad to let one thing define your life... Especially something that happened 70 years ago.
I understand that it's a huge moment in history and everyone is going to react differently. But I think I topped -100 for that one.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people may have interpreted your comment as down playing the impact of the event.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get there are trolls on reddit. It just makes it really hard to get viewers and support when you're currently unemployed and trying to make some extra cash to keep doing what you love.
ITT more reminders that many redditors don't understand that the downvote button is not a disagree button.
asyty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, since we're having a rational discourse on irrational downvotes, does anybody mind explaining why this parent comment got downvoted? Is what it says somehow not correct...?
Having a different opinion that gets down voted into oblivion is hardly my fault.
I'm not going to agree with and kiss people's ass just to get up votes, if people can't handle that people think differently without hitting the down arrow out of spite that's their problem not mine.
Someone made the joke 'there are two types of people in this world: those who pee in the shower and those who lie about it.' I replied that I actually don't and It was immediately downvoted multiple times and then up, down, up over the next few days and finally settled at -3. Peeing in the shower is apparently a controversial subject on Reddit.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 15:04:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said something along the lines of how all Jews are evil and should be exterminated in /r/aww and people downvoted me for some reason.
zm34 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, people are rather sensitive about anything that they might see as nazi. I get you were probably joking, but I see why you were downvoted. A bunch of stupid and oversensitive idiots.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Criticizing Judaism and Jewish is forbidden in this century, even if the criticisms are legit . On the other hand, you have the freedom to criticize the jewish sect called "Islam" and sometimes the other jewish sect called "Christianism" and their subsects .
But I have oh-so-often seen people complaining about it being impossible to criticize Judaism/Jews or even Israel without being called antisemite, and when I went to see their comments I saw stuff like "Israel is apartheid!", "Jews are cancer/control the world", "Netanyahu = Hitler".
What I did not see is criticism like "Orthodox Jews encourage women to be submissive to men", "Some Jewish sects make rabbis kiss baby penises", or "Maybe Israel should try once again to propose a new peace plan, it has been a while" being called out to as being antisemitic.
Actually I have once for the last one, but it was about -20.
The question was "what jobs could we do with out."
Someone responded psychic that they are scam artists. While I don't think they all can do what they say they can do. Some have a gift. I had an awesome experience in New Orleans with one and there was no way he could have known or read my reactions for some of what he told me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saved comment
nuclearfeet ยท 378 points ยท Posted at 19:34:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was down-voted to oblivion for saying that steaks with more fat and marbling have more flavor.
I'm a butcher -_-
daywade ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 02:24:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do people not know that?
fxkmehxrder ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 04:21:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are probably the same people who want juicy well done steaks.
electricdynamite ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 04:49:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We politely but firmly ask them to leave.
InfanticideAquifer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:17:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... that's totally possible. I've eaten juicy well done steaks. Don't try to tell me it's impossible to make a steak like that. It's just difficult.
cantgetenoughsushi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 06:29:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's just much harder, slightly overcooked medium rare will be fine but slightly overcooked well-done will ruin the steak
YankeeRanger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"juicy"
citrus_monkeybutts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't really know it, but that's also because I don't really eat steaks or go out almost at all. So it's a good thing to have in the back of my mind to forget until after I go to a restaurant.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:18:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit,
What the fuck did this person do to be downvoted?
Seriously.
MargretTatchersParty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't understand the purpose of fat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its about popularity, not being right or wrong. And the reddit hivemind can be really stupid.
Piemasterjelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will have you know I was raised by terrible cooks who liked steak Very well done and liberally bathed in Watties tomato sauce
Orthodox-Waffle ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 01:28:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that the whole appeal of Kobe beef? The supposed marbling?
Protectpoultry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:10:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โฆ it's not 'supposed'. It's there. You can see it. With your eyes. It's beautiful.
Neuffy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:59:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just the marbling, in my experience. Among several traits, the fat has no negative flavour whatsoever. I can literally take a chunk of fat, eat it straight, and enjoy it.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:32:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me, it's not the taste of the fat that gets me, but the texture. So gross.
tehbeeselbows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, same x(
Orthodox-Waffle ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What country are you from just fyi?
SquatsnOats00 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:32:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Redditors are huge pricks about steaks for some reason, particularly on /r/food.
Tobikage1990 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:34:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a separate note, how long does it take to not feel weird about chopping up animals? I have never eaten meat, but I have friends who eat meat who can't stand being in a butcher 's shop. They only buy packaged stuff from the supermarket.
nuclearfeet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:46:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It took me about 3 months to actually be comfortable around all of the raw meat and blood. It was fun after that, turning a cow into all of these different things that you couldn't even identify in the store before.
StrawberryR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have to cut the animals up with the heads still on, or do they come to you sans-cranium?
nuclearfeet ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:24:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the time of year. During fair season, we get a lot of heads coming in. The rest of the year, everything comes into us either in quarters are sectioned into primals already.
StrawberryR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:52:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh, cool. (sorry for the random ask lol.)
flamedarkfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steaks with marbling are the fucking bomb.
Nekovivie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't feel bad, probably those savages who like lean steaks well done.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 09:11:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Butchers are experts at cooking meat as well? I was under the impression that they just cut it.
Filet is definitely the best tasting part of the beef. No idea if it has more fat than the ol chewing gum ribeye cut.
TheMellowestyellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would imagine a bitcher would eat a lot of meat too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Might be a terrible cook. Check out his comment about filet being tasteless.
nuclearfeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We have to know the best way to cook something we're trying to sell to you.
The tenderloin is pretty tasteless, but it's tender...that's due to the little amount of fat and it not being a load bearing part of the cow.
"Chewing gum ribeye"? You are either eating a low grade cut or you just aren't cooking it right. The ribeye is generally more tender the closer it is to the shoulder. Ask your butcher for cuts off the large end. As a rule of thumb: the leaner a ribeye, or any steak for that matter, the tougher it is going to be. Except the tenderloin, but that's an exception.
redcoatwright ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:05:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just went to a steakhouse and they had Uruguayan ribeye, I got it but fully expecting that it wouldn't be better than good ol USA ribeye, holy shit it was amazing. all of the fat was creamy delicious fat, this dude knows nothing of ribeye apparently.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you've had some good experiences.
I can prepare a delicious ribeye. I rarely cook anymore though. Go order a ribeye at 10 restaurants and let me know how many prepare it to where the fat doesn't have the texture of chewing gum. Same goes for ribeye, skirt and porterhouse. I'm no expert but was a chef in my twenties and prepared hundreds of steaks per day. It doesn't matter the marbling if it makes it harder for the $10/hr mexicans to prepare it properly
Also filet has almost the same fat content as skirt, nys, and rib-eye. He just posted that it's tasteless. I'm curious if he's just a troll.
The original poster is a guy who cuts meat.
nuclearfeet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:27 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A tenderloin has a very mild flavor, it's just my opinion(and most people's) that it's tasteless. It's definitely tasteless compared to a ribeye. Nearly every other cut of the cow can be better tasting than the filet. It does not have the same fat content as a new york and ribeye...
Most restaurants barring high-end do not give you the best quality of steaks. Period. I don't care what they tell you, their purpose is to turn a profit. I've seen all kinds of shady things, like piss-grade beef and terrible misrepresentation. If you're receiving steaks like how you described, maybe you shouldn't be eating a steak at Applebees.
Any butcher worth their salt knows how to cook a damn steak properly. I could most definitely prepare a steak better than most "chefs". It comes from knowing the properties and grade of the muscle and cutting and trimming it correctly. I bet you're one of those guys who would consistently comes into my shop and thinks he knows more about meat than the guy who's elbow-deep in cow carcass.
edit: sorry, I got a little carried away there. I really love meat.
edit: edit: You want an awesome steak? Make friends with your butcher. They'll introduce you to cuts of meat that you have never heard of before. Cook it like they tell you to, and you'll be in heaven. Trust me. 99% of the complaints I get are because people thought they knew how to cook a steak properly, and messed it up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:33 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you're definitely allowed to have an opinion but tasteless is what I associate with an ice cube.
Most butchers I know work in a grocery store so they're probably not worth any salt.
/Agree on the rest
Keep in mind I can cook a ribeye badass but ordering it out is normally out of the question. I normally go with a sirloin oit. Harder for them to fuck up.
SirAlexH ยท 1174 points ยท Posted at 17:12:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was in some thread along the lines of "The last thing you ate is now the only food of third world countries".
I said potato wedges with sour cream. -5 down votes. I mean it's not an issue but it seems unreasonable. I literally just said the food, as everyone else did.
lucille-hits ยท 392 points ยท Posted at 20:36:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do I find this funny?
ThePeoplesBard ยท 209 points ยท Posted at 00:40:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sort of laughing and crying. I think most of us regular commenters have had moments like this on reddit. And it's just so confusing. I'll sometimes get away with a terrible pun or morally obtuse joke, but this is what pisses you people off?
cakeisnolie1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:09:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I've made some real (and sometimes intentional) shitposts only to come back to almost a hundred upvotes, then I make a completely reasonable comment or ask a genuine question and get downvoted into the dirt.
Both situations reassure me that in fact, karma really does mean nothing.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't you supposed to be singing this?
Aiyon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:29:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you work 24/7?
cantgetenoughsushi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:31:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or I make racist/not that great jokes and gets tons of upvotes, I say something neutral and people get angry, I think it's a snowball effect.. If people see your post is upvoted they are less inclined to downvote you
StormierPython ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 00:08:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sitting laughing my ass off and it really shouldn't be this funny
dryerlintcompelsyou ยท 141 points ยท Posted at 00:57:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You probably got downvoted by some Latvians, angry because you have potato, but Latvia have no potato.
xXx_WeedBlzr_420_xXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But can latvia into space?
Saidsker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't you guys near russia? You should have loads of potatoes.
remembermelover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Such is life tho
Tomhap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:10:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Politburo will steal potato and rape sister. Such is life.
Saidsker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:24:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Come to Netherlands we have abundance of potatoes.
Tomhap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
DGW je nederlands bent.
Saidsker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Er is geen beter land dan Nederland. Nederland is het beste land.
Tomhap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Als een bus!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably some salty Irishmen, too.
Trainkid9 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:03:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can we downvote this comment too just to confuse OP?
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:42:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just had a steak.
BoringPersonAMA ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 23:17:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It better have been fresh. Aged steak is shit according to my steak guy.
night-wing-politics ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:46:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was cheese...
crazed3raser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:20:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
meta
jubbie112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:03:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no that's eaten steak you're thinking of.
Kramestick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My steak guy says that too!
flamedarkfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:30:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You need a new steak guy. Dry aging is the fucking bomb.
thefoolz41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why wasn't it ranch dressing...?
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:31:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it is in my butt. Why would I eat food that came from my butt? Weirdo.
thefoolz41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://imgur.com/gallery/NOECI0s
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care if you eat it. Weirdo.
Bozzz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had cake
SongStuckInMyHeadd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had two sliced up lemons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
User name does not check out
Notacatmeow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Boom, downvoted.
AreEnAy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:55:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just cracking up. I'm imagining you watching your karma in just pure disbelief. The hate was just so unwarranted
SirAlexH ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:13:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just so confused! I got to -5 and I just assumed it was maybe trolling or something so I deleted it.
VicRambo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:17:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-5 downvotes. Wouldnt that be +5?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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SirAlexH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The entire thread was people listing food. I mean I didn't go on for a paragraph about it but it's the same sort of comment that everyone else posted.
TIMISH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least this comment wasn't downvoted :D
Wilhelm_Amenbreak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Again with the potato wedges? Have you no decency?
elephant_baby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:09:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood my sense of humour, but I'm cracking up reading this
_Missy_Chrissy_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:35:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It must have been those people who hate sour cream. I don't know why, but all the people who dislike sour cream like to bitch about it.
Bakanogami ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:10:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not actually that bad a choice, either. Potatoes are actually one of the most nutritionally rich staple foods out there. It's possible to survive solely on potatoes and milk without suffering any vitamin deficiencies, which can't be said of a lot of foods.
destructifier ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:58:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SCREW YOU AND YOUR STUPID POTATO WEDGES
DuckDuckBoson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to downvote the shit out of your comment so you could post a follow up comment about that one.
Thopterthallid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you're brave. Enjoy being downvoted into oblivion.
But seriously that sounds delicious. I may have that today.
ihatethesidebar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Milano cookies, damn they have it good in Djibouti.
GunzGoPew ยท 677 points ยท Posted at 16:28:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I wouldn't tip a waiter who tried to charge me for stuff I didn't order and spilled a drink on my girlfriend, then brought her the entirely wrong dinner.
Apparently, I was the incompetent one that night.
lucille-hits ยท 303 points ยท Posted at 19:35:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Former server. If I did any of those I wouldn't expect a tip.
katikaboom ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 21:06:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Also former server. I spilled soup on someone one night (thank god it was winter and she was wearing thick clothes). I didn't expect a tip, and I paid for their dinner and threw in desserts while apologizing profusely. Was pleasantly surprised with a tip, and they became regulars. It was weird. *Edited because spelling
ceene ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 21:59:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that happens fairly often. I mean, I'm not gonna be happy at all if my server spills soup on me, BUT, if it's been an accident (i.e., not on purpose), the server profusely asks for forgiveness, shows that he is feeling really bad about the situation and doesn't try to cover it but instead tries to make up for it by doing something nice for me (like paying for my dinner, or inviting me to the beverages, or whatever), what the hell, what can I do? We're all humans, right? You fucked up but you made everything you could to make up for it. In my book you're a good person that made a mistake as we all do, you don't deserve to be punished further more as you already feel guilty enough and show that you care about me.
headphone_taco ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:44:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well said, dude. Mistakes happen; but how you handle them, is an excellent judge of character.
jhn107 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:51:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I had a waitress trip and pour salad dressing down the front of my dress shirt at a business meeting. It wasn't her fault. The mother at a nearby table was letting her children run around like heathens and they got under her feet. I still paid for the meal and tipped her well. She thought it was because I was trying to impress my client.
But what I liked was the fact that she didn't lose her temper or yell at the kids or their mother. Instead, she asked the manager to find something to keep the children busy while their mother ate. Then she went to her own locker and brought me the white dress shirt she used when the restaurant hosted black tie events. I'm pretty sure it was one of the most expensive items of clothing she owned.
I made a point to return it and became a regular at the restaurant.
StevieWonder420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"No! It is UNFORGIVABLE"
musclenugget92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not really sure why people think they need free shit if someone spills on them. Accidents happen
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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musclenugget92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:27:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if you dumped a bowl, in my mind I was imagining like a few drops, or an amount if the server was bumped.
cakeisnolie1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:15:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair. And it's precisely because you don't need to get the free shit that getting the free shit makes you, the customer, feel thougyt of. The free shit is more of a gesture of genuine apology. It's a gesture of kindness to try and make your clients/customers happy after doing something - albeit by mistake - that made things uncomfortable for them. Personally if I can tell it was an honest mistake I'd tip anyway, but the extra mile just makes that tip better and gives me something very positive to remember about the experience instead of negative. That alone should be incentive for any business to have that sort of policy.
musclenugget92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The gesture probably began out of kindness/wanting to retain guest, but people come in and exploit the shit out of it
yoloqueuesf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:21:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, i would never ask for free stuff if someone spilt it on me, all i expect is a genuine apology.
Shit happens, i'm not here to make your day worse, we all have shitty days.
falconinthedive ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 22:21:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey fuck ups happen, it's how you roll with them.
cabbage16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:44:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think because of how you reacted to your mistake you earned the tip! If you had been less gracious you probably wouldn't have got one.
jesonnier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:38:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dumped a Margarita in a ladies purse when I was pretty new to serving. Naturally, I was mortified.
The woman's husband, On the other hand, thought I was hilarious. He pulled me aside, laughing his ass off, and gave me $20 and told me not to worry about it. As I was walking off, he told me he'd give me another $20 if I did it, again.
katikaboom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:11:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't leave us hanging! Did you do it again?
jesonnier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I considered it, but I did not. I was fond of continuing my employment.
mib_sum1ls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, did YOU pay for their dinner or did the house?
katikaboom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
house said they would, but i worked in a tiny sushi bar (we had room for 60 people, maybe) and didn't want the owner, who was a friend, to pay for something i fucked up. so i paid. i mean, it wasn't a huge bill.
ggeiger3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:36:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How you handle the fuck up is probably a lot more important than the fuck up to most people. I've only ever not tipped once and the dude fucked up our order like 4 times and was very very rude and tried to rush us out of the restaurant after we finished.
LastOfTheCamSoreys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had a waiter spill a whole stream of octopus ink on me. No sorrys or anything. Stained my only pair of jeans too.
Just_Move_Out ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that weird. I'm from a country that doesn't tip, but some places will have tip jars on the counter. I went out for dinner one night and the waitress was clearly just not having a great night, wrong drinks, food slightly wrong, but she was apologetic about it so we threw our extra cash in the tip jar. Everyone has bad days, it's how you deal with it.
DrMonkeyLove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Accidents I will always let slide. It happens. I almost always tip, but occasionally I won't if the server is just lazy and doesn't care and keeps screwing up. But if someone just accidentally spills something, eh, no biggie. Plus, if you go even further and after super nice about it and give me free stuff, heck yeah you'll get a good tip.
osoALoso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish that happened to me. I spilled water on a group of ladies, apologized profusely got them free shots and free dessert. The thanks I got was a written complaint that almost got me fired.
cakeisnolie1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'd tip a server if they goofed and spilled something on me then showed me their apology with free dinner etc. That just shows you you care about their business and are really sorry you screwed up. I think most normal people understand mistakes, and as long as you make the effort to make things right, that shows. Sounds like you're a pretty cool server. I'd tip and come back as well.
robmox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Former server, I dropped a large pizza on a few teenage guys. They said it was totally fine and proceeded to eat it. I brought them a brand spankin new fresh hot large pizza supreme, anyways because I was embarrassed. Got a fat tip.
DenikaMae ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:58:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would expect a dry cleaning bill.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd still top you if your only mistake was simply spilling a drink. Accidents happen, it's not like you meant to do it
WarlockMasterFace ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:14:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go to the majority of Asian restaurant and they always expect a tip and usually offer the worst service. Go for the food and never expect service.
RQK1996 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:26:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
if anything you'd expect the waiter to lose their job for sheer incompetence
PuppetPal_Clem ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:09:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You trying to say you never had a bad day at work?
RQK1996 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:37:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haven't had a job yet, but still you'd expect the waiter to be fired over them receiving a tip
PuppetPal_Clem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:48:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well then maybe hold off on expecting waitstaff who work for less than minimum wage to be flawless day in and day out... it's a much harder job than you seem to think
RQK1996 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I get that it is a hard job but 3 major mistakes at one table? what does that say about their other tables that day? okay if you make a few mistakes in a full evening
PuppetPal_Clem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:27:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've never even had a job, stop
PessimisticOptimist1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:45:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if it were a high-end restaurant that served the elite, but, having been in retail and service jobs through high school and college, I can tell you that a person has to screw up multiple times to be terminated. These jobs already have a high turnover rate so if someone is trained and is usually competent in the job, employers won't want to terminate an employee for one bad service. Maybe if said employee was screwing up in similar ways at every table he served and didn't improve after correction, then an employer might move him in the kitchen for different work to see if that worked. If he continued to eff up in every different area, then yes he'd be terminated. But it takes time and money to fire an employee and hire a replacement, so an employer might chew the server's ass out in front of the customers so they don't complain, but will generally be willing to overlook one bad night.
TL;DR: you gotta really screw up consistently to get fired in service jobs.
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hehuehehuehehue.
Never had a job, but shitting on someone with a job.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:20:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's funny when junior high kids think they know everything about life
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And now your stupidity makes complete sense. How's junior high going for you? Hit puberty yet?
OneGoodRib ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 20:14:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People can cry about how servers have to get tips to make a living, and that's fine, but I'm not paying 15-20% tip when the server is unfriendly, absent, gets the orders wrong, is visibly chatting with someone else while we're waiting for whatever reason, and then disappears completely towards the end of the meal without even a word that he's going on break or something.
Ialsofuckedyourdad ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 23:19:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad has walked out in these situations, we were at some restraunt it took 2 hours for the food to come out, in that time we saw the server at the table twice, but we could see her talking in the back room. Then after we waited an hour to get the bill, we wen out to the car and he waited behind at the front counter to talk to someone to get the bill, waited 20 minutes then said fuck it if they don't want my money then I'm leaving
dragonslayerlaura ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a waitress I have to say it's not our fault if the food is taking ages to come out. We're just on the firing line because nobody goes to the kitchen to complain to the chef. But yeah, I see why the bill part annoyed you!
jesonnier ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 02:40:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a longtime, former server, sometimes it's our fault. Don't act like you've never forgot to put in an order, then blamed it on the kitchen whilst apologizing to your table. Lol
dragonslayerlaura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah sometimes it is our fault, but there's nothing worse than getting yelled at for something we don't have control of, just because we're the only ones avaliable to be yelled at! But yeah, there has definitely been a few times I've forgotten to take a ticket through or tell the kitchen they're finished starters... we're all only human
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:36 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
MOST of the time it is YOUR FAULT.
Yelling, I have NEVER yelled at server before. Are you exaggerating? Do people really "yell" at you? That's weird, because me and my husband eat out very often and don't hear ANY server getting "yelled" at. The only yelling I hear is kids screaming.
WHY would you tell the kitchen that when you should have put in the order already? You shouldn't be waiting until they are fucking finished to start cooking. That's INSANE to wait that long. The food should be starting cooking when their appetizer ARRIVES, NOT when they are finished eating you STUPID MORON! No one wants to wait THAT LONG for their food and SHOULDN'T! An appetizer can be eaten within 5-10 minutes at most. Typical full meals tend to take a lot longer than that to cook, especially during a busy time like 8p.m. on a Saturday night.
Why would you wait until they are finished eating? NO WONDER WHY you have complaints you STUPID IDIOT! I'd rather have my appetizer and then 2 minutes later get my entrรฉe than to wait 40 minutes for my food. ANYONE would and if they don't, they need to order just appetizers and wait to order their entrรฉes if they are that hell bent on making sure they don't want their appetizers to run into their entrรฉes.
Then you are just ADMITTING the MAJORITY of the times you fuck up IDIOT! I really don't understand WHY you are waiting until they are finished eating their appetizers? That's EXTREMELY CRAZY to me.
Ialsofuckedyourdad ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:10:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know normally it's not, but we were the only ones in the building and we could see all the staff standing around
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:02 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NO, you are VERY WRONG AND STUPID, HERE'S WHY YOU DUMB DINGY IDIOT:
Ask yourself these questions as a server:
WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each tableโs order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.
FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.
Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrรฉes before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.
Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen, but I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.
Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.
Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrรฉe is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isnโt covered up isnโt extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isnโt without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DONโT CARE!!
Servers DO wait to put in entrรฉe orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT IS THE GODโS TRUTH! Sometimes itโs TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If itโs another server, it still doesnโt make it the kitchen staffโs fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something thatโs obvious. Itโs either my server that didnโt put in my order correctly or this other server that didnโt compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).
WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.
WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.
WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.
Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.
WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?
Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrรฉes on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasnโt even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasnโt our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVERโS CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!
Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrรฉe order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrรฉe orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldnโt have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrรฉe orders when we could have given our entrรฉe orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrรฉes faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrรฉe orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrรฉes as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrรฉe orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrรฉe orders in. What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldnโt touch it, because we had to order our entrรฉes and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrรฉes because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrรฉe orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.
Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that sheโd bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didnโt, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didnโt even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly canโt believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasnโt like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didnโt know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.
Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didnโt know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING โHowโs yโallโs Mardi Grasโ โGo to any parades.โ See, I donโt mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you donโt take up our time.
We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(Iโll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 peopleโs drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they donโt, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the serverโs fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had SOMETHING to do with the delay in most cases! Thatโs the GODโS TRUTH!
More often than not, the *SERVER is CAUSING your delay. How many times have I seen servers that have been triple sat not going to the computer, but VOLUNTARILY* without being called over take 2 other table's orders? A NUMBER OF TIMES. The LONGER you wait to put in my order, the LONGER I wait.
Also, you say they can't do something about it, but if the cooks are fucking around back in the kitchen, the server can get the manager, they can notify them of table 5 ordered 20 minutes ago for mozzarella sticks, why aren't they out yet, kind of thing.
You sound VERY STUPID AND DINGY! You have ZERO, I mean ****ZERO******* COMMON SENSE TO SPEAK OF! Sure, there are some times where the kitchen staff is at fault, but the MAJORITY of the times it's the FUCKING SERVER either cutting or forgetting or messing up or making cleaning up more important than the orders. That IS the VERY GOD'S TRUTH! TRY TO DISPROVE ONE POINT, YOU CAN'T, CAN YOU STUPID IDIOT!
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dragonslayerlaura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:35 on June 27, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Okay so imma assume you've never worked in a restaurant in your entire life so let you off for being so ignorant. 1. "WHEN do you put in my order?"- In my experience, not once have I forgotten to put an order through, nor have I witnessed anyone else do that. Granted, sometimes it can take more than 5 seconds to reach the kitchen due to having multiple tasks thrown at me at once (manager's responsibility, not mine), however not once would I forget to actually put through, you must be eating at some pretty shitty restaurants. Apologies that your order isn't the first on everyone's priority list :) 2. "FORGETTING to put in an order"- I'm gonna call complete bullshit on this one because even if a waiter or waitress did forget to put your order through, there's not chance they would actually admit it to you. 3. "Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer?"- Can't really answer this one as all the places I've worked have used notepads and pens. 4. "Did you DROP anything I ordered?", Okay well my original point was that it isn't always our fault that the food takes ages to come out of the kitchen, so therefore once the food is out of the kitchen it is our responsibility and if we drop it it is our fault. However that's irrelevant to the point that it isn't our fault that it takes a lot of time to come out of the kitchen... read carefully. 5. "Did you remember to GET my food?"- hahahaha I can only assume you mean get it from the kitchen. Well in my experience, all places i've worked in have either a bell to tell waiters when the food is ready, or they are just told by the kitchen. Therefore it would be hard to forget when you hear a bell, another situation which I doubt has actually happened to you. If the kitchen FORGETS to let us know when they've finished making the food that's their problem, not ours. 6. "Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out?"- Well if we are serving several tables at once and we're busy, we don't check every single item of food before it goes out... if the kitchen have the order with your special snowflake requirements and they don't read it or make it that way, I fail to see that being my fault, rather than the kitchen's fault. 7. I actually don't understand what you're talking about in your seventh point so I shall move on. 8. "WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER?" Answer covered earlier in this. We come to get it when the kitchen tells us it's ready. If we're busy we don't have time to continuously check every person's order to see if it has been cooked yet. 9. "WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER?" When you look ready? This is one of the only points I will agree with because often when there are several tables to be served, if we're understaffed (management's fault, not ours), then it's hard to prioritise some tables over others. 10. "WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD?"- I've already covered this more than once, I cannot possibly stress it again. 11. "Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me?"- I'm quite certain that nobody in the history of waiting tables has EVER done that. Looks like you're just scraping for points here. 12."WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is?"- Firstly, your point here was about if the kitchen lose the ticket. Already the delay is their fault, we can't magic up another ticket without asking you, and if we ask you, not only is it unprofessional, but the likes of YOU in particular would come to Reddit and have a tantrum about it. 14. "Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted."- Is this even English?
Okay so in my experience I've never done the listed things, nor have I experienced anyone who has done them to me. I do understand that it is sometimes the server's fault, however in my experience, more often than not it's the kitchen's problem. I see that you've had some pretty terrible, life-changing experiences at restaurants and I can only hope you received emotional support following them, however they are just your experiences, which are completely different to my own. I'm not going to resort to name-calling like you, but I must tell you... it's no wonder you get terrible service, nobody wants to serve an entitled prick who can't accept anything other than 5 star service at all establishments. Good day :)
Edit "Chili's has 4 computers at our local Chili's, so don't make some kind of excuse that there's only one computer either."- Is Chili's the only restaurant ever to exist? I don't work at Chili's...nor have i even heard of it????
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:53 on June 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My husband and I have had this happen SEVERAL* times to us before that servers have forgotten to put orders in(all ADMITTED to doing so).
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-14
flowwiththego "Springs does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I can't tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes."
The question was WHEN did you put in my order. NOT forgotten. LEARN how to READ!
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-26
flowwiththego said:
"Just an update from something I posted about in here: yesterday we had five tables come in literally at once. No other ticket on the board at the time. Two three tops and three two tops. The two waitresses alternate tables when their is only two of them. Now the one waitress is the only one who consistently asks us where her food is and that her table is getting mad. Well, guess what I observed her doing? She put three orders in at once. She got the first table then went to the next table and after that went to the next table. I was nice but explained that what she was doing was against company policy. I explained that her first table had to wait and that the other server got her tix in before her even though her first table was there before everyone else. I also told her that at least 75% of the time it is the servers fault when an order takes too long. I also told her that we know now why she is the only server who has customers getting mad because their food took too long on a consistent basis. I told her if she needed to save time to get faster on the pos system."
Gee, here's a person that has DONE the job, says I am right, so what does that tell you, huh? This person even has PHYSICAL STORIES that TRULY MAKE SENSE.
We have had servers ADMITTED to it. I PROMISE you. One was at Fox and Hound in 2006 or 2007, another was at Macaroni Grill where a girl covered her mouth as our entrรฉes came(she didn't write our orders down btw).
A waiter that put in an order wrong told me "I pressed the wrong button." A waitress told my husband that she put in the order wrong for his entrรฉe. Another waiter told us he grabbed the wrong plate from the kitchen.
While those 3 above aren't forgetting to put in orders, it's*ADMITTING FAULT HONESTLY to the customer's face. You are VERY WRONG that servers won't admit it. SOME are honest.
It shouldn't be unless my order was first.
That's pretty old timey sounding. I have had a waitress ADMIT at a Chili's in 2006 that the kitchen staff misunderstood her handwriting.
You still have to WRITE IT DOWN CORRECTLY in your case and write it NEATLY as well.
Actually it does if you drop it in the kitchen and also it doesn't matter if it's not from the kitchen, if you drop it, YOU are causing my delayed food, NOT ANYONE ELSE but YOU! I will give you that this issue of dropping food doesn't happen that often thankfully.
Actually it has. We have sat while our servers chit chatted about BS flirting with customers while our food sat in the window. IT HAPPENS.
Also, it happens QUITE OFTEN with BAR DRINKS. We have had MANY bar drinks forgotten from the bar over the years. Twice I waited a really long time like once I waited 30 minutes, another time 25 minutes for a margarita. It happens. Also, if you forget ANY part of my order like my side dish(that has happen before a number of times) That includes forgetting condiments(the NUMBER ONE forgotten item from servers EVER).
90% of the time it's the SERVER'S FAULT:
They can put in the order wrong into the computer or if it's a written ticket they submit, they could have written something down wrong or hard to read.
They could have forgotten to put in the order in the first place.
Servers can also misunderstand what the customer is saying such as 2 times when I ordered 2 sides of bbq sauce and the stupid idiot servers thought I didnโt want bbq sauce on my ribs when I NEVER ONCE SAID I didnโt and I didnโt say โON THE SIDEโ, I SAID SIDES, which means extra. One of those times I said extra even.
Most mistakes with food are visible:
A. Condiments of any kind regardless of who brings out the food can be brought out by the server ahead of time.
B. If someone orders extra crispy bacon with their pancakes, then the bacon looks limp, not stiff, and you can even see some white fat on it, guess what? MY SERVER COULD HAVE SEEN THAT TOO AND TOLD THE COOKS IT WASN'T CORRECT, TO RECOOK IT INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT TO ME WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE!
C. Any wrong side dishes or entrees are the fault of the server if they bring out the food even if they put in the order right. You can tell the difference between a baked potato and mac n' cheese, yet, a waiter at Logan's Roadhouse was so stupid as to bring me mac n' cheese when I ordered a baked potato. I noticed it within 5 seconds of the food hitting my table. Like DUH a baked potato looks completely different from mac n' cheese.
D. Any MISSING side dishes, appetizers, condiments, or entrees ARE the server's fault if they bring out the food as well. Have had that happen a few times or so. Our servers aren't blind, so they can tell if something is missing or not.
E. I have seen a red steak delivered to someone before at Outback which means let's say the customer ordered their steak well done, that the server could have noticed the color difference as in someone's example โSteak cooked rare instead of well done ? Itโs not your serverโs fault, they didnโt cook it, itโs the kitchenโs fault.โ
F. If something LOOKS burnt such as a piece of bread with the food and the person didn't order it burnt, my server is at fault for serving me that.
G. If my server forgets an item that an entree or appetizer comes with, that's their fault if they brought me my food without the item such as a side dish or ranch.
H. I have ordered at Outback my fries "lightly cooked" "Not overdone and yellow not brown." I have had their fries before cooked the way I like them before many of times before this time I am talking about. This stupid waitress decided to blame the kitchen staff for REALLY DARK BROWN FRIES as if she was blind or something and my husband even told me he could see that they were really dark. My husband may not agree with me on every subject of course, but with that, you could EASILY tell just by LOOKING that those fries were overdone and very dark. She said she put in the order correctly. I am thinking, SO? I wish I could have said "Are you blind?" That was HER FAULT she DECIDED TO SERVE ME THOSE FRIES THAT WEREN'T CORRECT. I noticed the mistake within 3 seconds of my food being placed in front of me.
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Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:50 on June 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Continued:
http://www.bunrab.com/dailyfeed/dailyfeed_images_feb-07/df07_02-04_baconn.jpg
You can tell in this picture above the bacon is very crispy just by simply LOOKING at it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vv2IGE5obwk/RwVi-0hZziI/AAAAAAAABjc/m6bP-Te_wJE/s320/IMG_8338.jpg
You can tell in this picture above the bacon is NOT CRISPY, just by simple LOOKING at the bacon.
While the server didn't "COOK" the bacon, it's obvious to the SERVER'S EYES that one batch of bacon is crispy and the other isn't to decide to BRING the food to the customer wrong or not. It's my server's fault if they decide to bring me the bacon that's like in picture 2 if I ordered it crispy that she or he didn't tell the cooks it was wrong and get them to cook the bacon more instead of SERVING it wrong. WHY bring it out only for the food to be sent back?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DzuAhw_RcXU/TAyZ38A67EI/AAAAAAAAALo/R6zLKIKy1do/s1600/DSC_0006.JPG
You can clearly see the fries are overdone in the picture above if the customer ordered them "NOT OVERDONE, lightly cooked."
http://www.orthogonalthought.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dsc_6087_550.jpg
In this picture above, you can see the fries don't appear overdone and the bacon is NOT CRISPY. If a customer asked for their bacon to be crispy, I would REFUSE to serve it and I would have enough CARING and COMMON SENSE to get that fixed BEFORE I brought it to the customer only to have the customer send it back or leave me a bad tip for not caring about their food.
My server's job isn't just to bring out what the kitchen staff gives them, it's also getting the order OBVIOUSLY correct to the table as much as possible in order to get that good tip. As someone said on a blog or forum โThey just want to be tipped well and will do pretty much anything reasonable to get your moneyโ, which that IS VERY REASONABLE to think OUR SERVERS ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR TIP TO GET THINGS RIGHT TO HAVE A BETTER TIP!!
Get what I am saying here? MOST of the mistakes happen due to either your server if they bring out the food or another server that doesn't compare the ticket to the food(assuming the order was put in correctly by the original server of course).
You also can notice if someone has wing sauce "On the side" vs. "On the wings" themselves. This isn't rocket science.
Most of the things that are wrong with the food can be caught by the server if they bring out the food, even if they didn't cook it. If it's another server, they can catch obvious errors on the ticket and menu(such as menu states the item comes with bbq sauce and the ticket doesn't say "no bbq sauce") if the ticket was correctly put in by the original server that took the order. Condiments(in bottles or on the side in containers) can always be offered to be brought out ahead of time REGARDLESS of WHO brings out the food to the table.
So most of the time when the food has something wrong with it, chances are, your server or another server could have caught the mistake before it got to you in most instances. I NEVER said ALL, but in most cases, it can be caught BEFORE bringing out the food(unless another server brings out the food with the ticket wrong), because then the original server that took the order is at fault for putting the order in incorrectly into the computer.
There are few rare cases where the food being wrong is the kitchen staff's fault such as raw food(such as raw chicken), slightly undercooked or overcooked food that you'd have to CUT into to know if it was under or overcooked, or anything the server cannot see with their eyes unless they were to TOUCH the food. Things such as a pickle under a bun the server can't notice unless they lift the bun, so unless they put the order in wrong, they wouldn't be at fault, but in general most food mistakes can be caught BEFORE bringing the food to the table.
What I am saying is, MOST mistakes ARE PREVENTABLE by the SERVER if they bring your order to you that they can NOTICE things wrong by comparing those written orders to the plates of food.
Once a waiter at Chili's said "The kitchen forgot" when I had ordered 2 sides of mayo and 1 side of mustard. The thing is, my waiter brought out the food, so NO, HE HE HE HE HE FORGOT, the kitchen staff didn't step out the kitchen to bring me my food and forget obvious missing containers from my plate that aren't covered up by anything. MY WAITER DID THOUGH!!
You walk in one room in your house with a plate of food, but forget the ranch. Even if your mom or significant other plated your food, which you even told her you wanted a side of ranch for your fries, but you bring it to another room. HOW IS THAT THEIR FAULT? It's YOUR FAULT YOU LEFT THE ROOM WITHOUT THE RANCH AND DIDN'T NOTICE IT SINCE IT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUS YOU DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH TO NOTICE THE MISTAKE!!
Even if he didn't bring out the food, that waiter could have prevented that type of thing from being forgotten since it needs no cooking to bring it out ahead of time. It is always the person bringing out the food that is at fault for any type of mistake that you don't have to TOUCH the food to notice the mistake, unless of course, the order was put in wrong by the original server that took the order with another server bringing out the food. Of course unless, the kitchen goofs up, making it correctly even if the ticket is wrong, but that's highly unlikely scenario.
I cannot believe you honestly think that the server is not at fault for most food mistakes. WE LIVED THROUGH THE "DUH" MISTAKES, SO WE CAN SEE WITH OUR EYES WHO WAS AT FAULT!!
We had a waiter once admitted he grabbed the wrong entrรฉe from the kitchen. It was just my husband and I. This waiter not only admitted he didn't compare the WRITTEN ORDER with the entrรฉes he was bringing out, but also we saw he had other entrรฉes for another table that he didn't ONCE get his pad of paper out to see WHICH ENTRรE WENT WITH WHICH TABLE!! So 2 times he could have caught his mistake, but didn't ****TRY HIS BEST AS HE SHOULD HAVE, because that's HIS JOB*!!
He admitted that he grabbed the wrong entrรฉe from the kitchen. He brought my husband fried shrimp w/fries when he ordered crawfish au gratin w/baked potato. Those items look NOTHING A LIKE, but yet THAT WAITER WAS TOO LAZY AND UNCARING TO VERIFY WHAT HE WAS BRINGING US!! We still left him 17% BTW, just to let you know since he profusely apologized TWICE and FIXED THE SITUATION IMMEDIATELY just about. We honestly shouldnโt have though, because that really didn't make him LEARN anything. If I had to do it all over again, I would have tipped 13%. It's because since that happened(a number of years ago, maybe like 4), me and my husband have had some terrible experiences. We have had good ones too of course, but the servers need to LEARN that they can't just hand you ANYTHING like McDonald's cashiers do. They are there to EARN a tip, NOT to just hand you anything.
It's very rare that it's not the server's fault. Things like if I order no pickles if you took my order and brought out my food, which there are some pickles under a bun that you'd have to lift it to see it, unless you admitted putting in the order wrong, I will assume it's the kitchen staff that is at fault and probably is.
Things like raw chicken tenders aren't the fault of the server.
A slightly over or undercooked steak if the order was put in correctly is not the server's fault.
Also, some people assume things as well, that end up being wrong.
If another server brings out a wrong side dish or if they are missing items other than condiments, no it's not the server's fault if they put in the order correctly, but it still counts against the tip. It's part of the service.
Why also is it when you say "no pickles" or "ONLY lettuce and onions", they still have a pickle on the plate? WHY you servers can't understand that if the customer states they don't want pickles, that means on the plate, because otherwise, they'd specifically state they would have wanted it "ON THE SIDE." Think about it. WHY do I keep having servers bring me some pickles on the plate when I ordered no pickles? NO SERVERS ARE BLIND OR ILLITERATE that they cannot determine any of the obvious errors that don't have to be touched to notice the mistakes or mistake.
All of these are TIME RELATED issues.
Actually it IS your problem and YOUR FAULT, here's why:
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/tipping.2337603/page-14
flowwiththego said:
"I had a server last year who twice in one day did not realize she had customers waiting and hour and did not get food. One tix she forgot but one tix one of the cooks put it on the done spindle instead of on the board. The thing is though her section was only five tables and c'mon how do you not realize that one of your tables didn't get food but tables 20 minutes after them did? We were slammed but still. Like I wrote it is a tough profession that most people couldn't do."
It was up to HER to have noticed that one of her tables didn't get their food. So part of the issue was the kitchen staff for putting it the done pile, but most of it was the server's fault, because she could have found out in a MUCH MORE REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. THAT IS THE GOD'S HONEST TRUTH AND YOU KNOW IT!
If you are my server, I would EXPECT you to check up on my food within 20 minutes entrรฉes, 10 minutes appetizers(or side salads or cups/bowls of soup) at the LEAST to see WHERE it was. So don't put most of the blame on the cook when YOU could have noticed the cook wasn't doing his job at in a REASONABLE amount of time. You let me wait 45 minutes to get my food, you deserve a stiff, PERIOD, unless you update me to let me know you have been checking up on my food.
Your job is to check up on my food. That IS your job!
You could find out ((THAT MUCH SOONER)) IDIOT!
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Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on June 28, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Continued:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1icvlp/serverschefs_of_reddit_what_actually_happens_when/
nixity said: โAs a server, I checked EVERY ticket before I took it out and looked at the plates to make sure something wasn't visibly fucked up before I brought it out to my table. If something was visibly wrong ("Hey, this was supposed to be no onions") I would have a line cook fix it immediately before taking it out. If it's a runner bringing you your food they should be held to the same standard.. but since they don't get the tip they're less likely to care.โ
http://slickdeals.net/e/600104-thoughts-on-tipping-in-restaurants?page=10&rpid=7924898&rp=11#commentsBox
Demosthenes9 said: "Absolutely right. As a waiter, it was ultimately my responsibility to ensure that EVERYTHING was correct with your food. Cooks would plate up entrees and the expediter would "build tickets" by collecting the correct entrees, adding the side items, and placing the plates on a tray to complete the order. (at least that's how it worked just about everywhere I have been). At that point, the waiter SHOULD check each plate to see that the order is correct to include having the correct side items. Waiter should also make sure that the food is still hot and didn't "die in the window" while waiting for the order to be filled. Lastly, a waiter who actually knows what he is doing can simply look at your steak and tell with some accuracy whether it is cooked correctly or not. (There are of course exceptions where steaks are "borderline", like right between medium rare and medium, or between medium and mid well.) I have had any number of cooks yell at me because I told them to recook a steak before I even took it to the table. It doesn't take a genius to see a somewhat burnt steak sitting on a plate and to figure out that it ISN'T medium rare as ordered.) The funny thing is, if waiters took the time to pay attention to the little details like the one's Spring mentioned, they would actually have MORE time on their hands to take care of customers. Afterall, it takes maybe 30 seconds to check over an order and make sure it's correct. Failure to do so means that you now have to go all the way back to"
So what you think of this waiter? He wasn't lazy and uncaring like you are.
When appetizers are ordered for example, sometimes servers wait until you get the appetizer to put your entrรฉe order in. Now you understand how they can wait TOO LONG to do so?
NO IDIOT, I mean WHEN DO YOU COME TO MY TABLE TO GET MY ORDER like when I VERBALLY TELL YOU? Did you **READ my story of how the waitress greeted us and didn't come back on purpose until the appetizer came? You obviously didn't understand what I am saying? If your server goes buss a table before coming to get your order and you have been ready to order, they are delaying your food from getting to you. Do you understand? There's been times where we have waited 5 minutes just to get greeted and at times since it was that long ordered our entrรฉes at the greeting as well.
You can't disagree with any other points since they are all FACTS, NOT some "opinions" to agree or disagree with. Also, you don't understand, I mean when the waiter I talked about how he asked us if how our Mardi Gras was and if we had gone to any parades BEFORE we even got to order our drinks even. THAT is delaying our food. Talk about that shit AFTER our order has been put in, NOT BEFORE we have a CHANCE to order.
As I said before, a server can decide to buss tables or chit chat or flirt with someone or as in my Red Lobster example, hand things off the tray in the WRONG order. We had ordered our entrรฉes BEFORE those people were in the building, but yet the waitress gave their side salads off the SAME TRAY as our entrรฉes to them first. That's delaying our food. It may be seconds of delay, but it's still a delay the server causes purely 100%. It takes seconds just to put more than one table's items on the tray even. That's cutting on both counts in terms of turns.
Did you READ my story of the raspberry cheesecake how the bitch waitress decided for us that we wanted strawberry without telling us they were out of raspberry topping? We have had this happen several occasions different situations. One was I ordered a coke at a restaurant bar, which this happened twice, they gave me Pepsi. Another time, I ordered a white russian with kettle one vodka, they were out, the waiter with it ALREADY MADE asked if "Absolut vodka was ok." He didn't ask me prior to having the bartender make it.
Also, a bartender once told me that a bartender gave her bud light with lime cause they were out of bud light as if that was ok. A pizza delivery guy brought me marinara sauce for a garlic sauce and told me I should keep the substitution HE made.
There's LOTS of assholes that do this shit. You just haven't had any I guess. We have though.
12."WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is?"- >Firstly, your point here was about if the kitchen lose the ticket. Already the delay is their fault, we can't magic up another ticket without asking you, and if we ask you, not only is it unprofessional, but the likes of YOU in particular would come to Reddit and have a tantrum about it.>
As I said before, REREAD flowwiththego's comment:
"I had a server last year who twice in one day did not realize she had customers waiting and hour and did not get food. One tix she forgot but one tix one of the cooks put it on the done spindle instead of on the board. The thing is though her section was only five tables and c'mon how do you not realize that one of your tables didn't get food but tables 20 minutes after them did? ""
Do you realize that instead of an hour it could have been 30 minutes wait if she would have checked up on WHERE the hell the food was even if it was on the done spindle? I mean really you are this stupid? You are CONTRIBUTING* to the longer wait. While some of the time wasn't her fault, some(MOST) of it WAS her fault, understand? She could have checked up on where the hell the food was in a more TIMELY FASHION.
You don't know. Do you watch your server after she or he takes your order? Does she or he go to another table that didn't call him or her over nor did they have any previously ordered items to deliver? Are they going to buss a table while an empty computer is there? LOTS of times I have seen servers go out of order of turns or buss a table before putting in an order by an empty computer even.
NO, it's not. HOW then? I just mentioned how it's YOUR JOB to *****KNOW WTH YOU ARE SERVING** if all the details you can see WITHOUT touching the food are correct and not missing.
As I said, if you are in your own house, you have your mother make you some food. You told her you wanted mashed potatoes, she hands your friend a baked potato to give you and your friend knows you wanted mashed potatoes, how is it not your friend's fault they handed you the wrong item IDIOT? You don't want to accept *******SELF-RESPONSIBILITY****** for ***YOUR OWN ACTIONS******!
Quit lying saying it's the kitchen's fault most of the time when 90% of the time it's not the kitchen staff's fault and you know it.
My tip money makes me entitled and I am not a prick. You are to lie like this. EVERYWHERE you TIP you should get 5-star service since your hard earned money is paying for it in the tip.
You aren't from the US I guess, huh?
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:08 on July 1, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had nothing to say to prove me wrong I see.... HMMM, isn't that something I am right, huh? Most issues you have at restaurants are your server's fault in general. I didn't say all, but most are their fault.
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:26 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Continued:
The moment you take my order, WHAT are you doing afterwards. You have to think about that. Do you even put in the order correctly? You go get some dirty plates and bring them to the kitchen before putting in my order, you are delaying my fucking food A LOT, not just that minute or seconds, but now OTHER servers are BEATING MY ORDER into the kitchen to get fixed. You just have ZERO CLUE OF WTF you are talking about. WHY can't you just be HONEST, HUH? Are you really this STUPID? I am not even a server, I was only counter help before as far as a job similar to this and I have MORE KNOWLEDGE than someone that has done the job. That's messed up. You walk up to the next table that didn't call you over and you have no previously items ordered to check up on them VOLUNTARILY, then HOW do you say it's the kitchen's fault, huh? YOU BY YOURSELF DECIDED TO CUT TURNS, NO ONE ELSE BUT YOU! Chili's has 4 computers at our local Chili's, so don't make some kind of excuse that there's only one computer either.
Read what Stef 319 said:
http://howtobeagoodserver.blogspot.c...?commentPage=4
She is responding to MT's comment and this was a waitress at a Red Lobster. I had gone on her blog, she came onto mine agreeing with me. Her blog has since been deleted, so I can't go on hers, but her comment is still on my blog.
" MT "Your system of never taking another tables drink order before turning in a ticket would back you up terribly, not to mention the humongous quantity of time you'd waste checking plates and menu prices. It would take you forever to get anything done."
In my opinion, MT, once an order is taken, it should be put into the computer IMMEDIATELY. Once my guests place their order with me, the clock begins to tick. They should be getting their apps 5-10 minutes after they PLACE their order, and their entrees should take between 20-30 minutes (where I work). You really should not start off a new table with an appetizer or dinner order on hold. The guests who just placed their order (who are hungry) are watching you approach another table. You then have to build your rapport, go over the specials, and possibly answer questions. This can potentially be very time consuming and your guests are not going to appreciate the delay in your service. There are other times when it is acceptable to work all your tables together, but when you have a food order you shouldn't be doing this. The correct way to handle this is to approach the table (with the other tables' menus in hand) and acknowledge their presence, and tell them YOU WILL BE RIGHT BACK. Then you ring in the order, go back to the table, and then you can do your greeting, go over specials, answer questions, etc. Now you can take your time with the new table cause you know that your other tables' food is getting worked on by the kitchen. I know that this can be time-consuming but it really is worth it. Waste no time getting food orders in. August 5, 2011 at 12:05 PM "
You do realize that she is right about once you take an order, the CLOCK BEGINS TO TICK and that actually goes for anyone waiting for a table AS WELL AS the customers that the server took the order from.
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/ti...337603/page-14
flowwiththego said:
โSprings does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I canโt tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes.โ
Stef319 was a server and AGREES WITH ME, isn't that something? It's because it's TRUE. Look at Flowwiththego how this person said how the first table has to wait "EXTRA LONG", which is preventing customers from getting seated faster if there is a wait for a table or if there becomes a wait for a table when the customer arrives. Every MINUTE, SECOND COUNTS in service. That's what you don't seem to understand. As this person said, other servers have put orders in also AHEAD of that first table, so the first table REALLY GETS A HUGE, HUGE HIT when it comes to wait times. It prevents that table from leaving faster. If it's a triple sat situation, even the second table is being punished for the 3rd table. Not going to put in orders right after getting them only helps ONE table out the 3 and that is making the other 2 tables contribute to a longer wait time to get seated even. You think that waiting to get seated has nothing to do with the server, but it SURE THE HELL DOES. EVERY mistake they make contributes to a longer wait for a table. Especially if it's the check that has an overcharge.
It's not a "point of view", it's the GOD'S HONEST TRUTH of what I am saying and it's a LIE of what you are saying. I have seen servers buss a table BEFORE going to put an order in LOTS of times. There's no reason for that, NONE! Especially if there's no wait for a table.
Every mistake your server brings that is a DUH OBVIOUS error like missing condiments on the side or wrong food, etc. that takes up TIME. So it's like 2 mistakes in one, because it's not only the food mistake, but it takes TIME to bring it out wrong and then bring back the corrected item or missing item.
So I am so SICK of people LYING on the internet about this!
musclenugget92 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 03:21:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt the validity of this comment.
Ialsofuckedyourdad ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 07:11:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't care less what you think
musclenugget92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well making up an elaborate, obvious extremely dramatized story for sweet sweet karma is pretty lame, but I guess we all have to live for something eh?
Ialsofuckedyourdad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I make that up? I had a story that fit the context, I told it fuck off
musclenugget92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you're remembering it incorrectly. Because the odds that you and your family, let's say... of four people? Sat at a table for 120 minutes before being fed. Saw the waiter FIVE TIMES. That's like 1.3 times every THIRTY minutes. That's bat shit crazy in itself. And then, you expect us to believe that you waited an ADDITIONAL hour after all this cockamamy bullshit to receive the bill, but revealed you were at a seat in which you could SEE the waiter the whole time but NEVER confronted her before. And THEN you say daddy stood at the front for a long time and then left? Yeah bro. Maybe you were like 4 and remember it wrong, but that's not what went down. Sorry bro.
Ialsofuckedyourdad ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was 15 at the time and how exactly do you think you know better than I do what fucking happened I really don't give a shit what you think leave me alone I wasn't lying or remembering incorrectly, we ordered to fucking pizzas that took 2 hours to get to the table so would you kindly fuck off I will not be replying to you again jackass
musclenugget92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your defensiveness is very telling. Thanks.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:30:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, I mean holy shit is that not believable
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:43:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similarish thing happened to me. 45 minutes before we even got drinks, 10 minutes after that they took our order, another 40 minutes before we got food, and you bet that as soon as we finished they got our bill in an instant. We heard the waitress complain we didn't tip her, when we saw her all of five times
musclenugget92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:50:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is more in line of what it sounds like when a restaurant is shit on fire. Also, you aren't your servers only table, and I can guarantee you she isn't standing by your table because he or she is standing in the kitchen trying to find which dick to suck to get your food out. People have this victim mentality where they think when things are going poorly at a restaurant it's ONLY happening to them, and the server doesn't care at all, when in actuality if your experience is going poorly (other than the server itself being something less than desirable) that's indicative of a situation that's far out of the servers control. I'm so tired of entitled people thinking servers are worthless and "can't even get a simple job right "
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:06:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Servers weren't worthless, but i was pissed when people that got there twenty minutes after us got served first. Yeah, it's probably the kitchen, but come the fuck on. When people that arrive later get stuff earlier, I tend to think the waiter is not doing so great, and seeing them 5 times in over an hour was just awful.
Edit:the hour and a half before I got food.
ASISlifestyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what you ordered, how many people are at your table etc.
If you ordered a medium-well burger or steak and you are with 5 other people, your meal is going to take significantly longer to get out than a couple who walked in and ordered some salad with grilled chicken. (Granted I have no idea, what you ordered, just putting some perspective out there)
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:05 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is common sense.
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:35 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am so tired of servers acting like they are most of the time not at fault for wait times.
Ask yourself a question: After taking table 4's order, what did you do?
Let's go over the list.
See what I am getting at?
Ask what do you do when you get an order from a table? If it's fair like if you are delivering previously ordered or asked for items, then that's fair, but if you go to 2 other tables that didn't call you over and they are ordering their entrรฉes, asking questions, modifications, etc. You do realize how long you are taking from the customers that just ordered, right? A WHOLE LOT of time and OVERWHELMING the kitchen staff in the process. How do you feel when you are overwhelmed? Don't put in 3 table's tickets at once. They aren't one big party. It's separate tickets. Don't overwhelm the kitchen and then expect people not to wait a long time for their food. It hurts server's tips , the customers, and the business by doing so.
Did they do EVERYTHING they could BEFORE they put in the order is the question?
The person you wrote to, 45 minutes for drinks, that's ridiculous even for bar drinks. Also, it shouldn't be 10 minutes later getting their orders in most cases. You act like that servers have no control over time you wait, but the THEY for the most part.
Watch your server the next time you go out to eat. See if they go to another table. If they do that didn't call them over and they aren't delivering food or any previously ordered items, then they are HUGELY DELAYING your food. That is the TRUTH and you know it.
They can't get a simply job right most of the time because most don't even try like some aren't willing to write things down, some aren't willing to check their written order with the food for obvious mistakes, etc.
m-iachetta ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:25:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While you shouldn't have waited an hour for the bill, the food probably wasn't the server's fault. Unless she/he forgot to put your food in, it was probably the cooks fucking around in back, or made the wrong thing, or whatever reason. But more often than not, the cooks are the reason the food takes so long and servers can't do a thing about it. So she probably couldn't have been doing anything extra to help while she was talking to someone else ( even though that's also not what id be doing, I'd be yelling at the cooks and updating my table, but still.. ) just something from a dif point of view
Springs131 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:41:37 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
NO, you are VERY WRONG AND STUPID, HERE'S WHY YOU DUMB DINGY IDIOT:
Ask yourself these questions as a server:
WHEN do you put in my order? Do you wait or do you go put it in immediately after taking it? If you are double sat or triple sat, you can still go put in each order into the computer after taking each tableโs order. By not doing that can result in a much longer wait and that would be YOUR FAULT.
FORGETTING to put in an order. My husband and I have experienced this for REAL that servers ADMITTED to our faces they have FORGOTTEN TO PUT ORDERS IN. All of them were appetizers, bar drinks, and a cup of soup.
Did you put in the order CORRECTLY into the computer? Have had many times servers ADMITTED to our faces they did not do that correctly. Have had wrong entrรฉes before due to our server putting in the order wrong. Have had wrong bar drinks too due to the server putting in the order wrong.
Did you DROP anything I ordered? Luckily, we have not had this happen for food, but just recently had a bar drink a server spilled on our table. I have seen a server once drop some fries from a plate before and I did have a waiter spill some margarita martini when pouring into a martini glass. In other words, it is possible, not likely, but very possible.
Did you remember to GET my food? We have had a server do that before. Also, we have had a number of servers forget bar drinks.
Did you bring out my food obviously correctly if you bring my food out? Do you realize how many times OUR OWN SERVER brings out DUH mistakes like the side dish is wrong, the entrรฉe is wrong, something obvious is not correct bacon that isnโt covered up isnโt extra, extra crispy when you can clearly notice that it isnโt without touching anything, etc.? Every DUH mistake you bring out is YOUR FAULT I am waiting for what I did order by you wasting my time bringing me the wrong item or wrongly prepared item or forgot something. While we all make mistakes, I would have to say a good 90% of the time, servers NEVER COMPARE THE WRITTEN ORDERS TO THE FOOD, because they are TOO LAZY and DONโT CARE!!
Servers DO wait to put in entrรฉe orders when appetizers, side salads, or cups of soup are ordered. THAT IS THE GODโS TRUTH! Sometimes itโs TOO LONG THEY WAIT! If itโs another server, it still doesnโt make it the kitchen staffโs fault I have the wrong side dish for example since that is something thatโs obvious. Itโs either my server that didnโt put in my order correctly or this other server that didnโt compare the ticket to the food or that this other server did compare the ticket to the food, but just missed it(HIGHLY UNLIKELY, but possible).
WHEN do you come to GET MY ORDER? That part is covered in #2 below.
WHEN do you DECIDE to LET ME ORDER? That part is covered in #4 below.
WHEN do you decide to DELIVER MY FOOD? That part is covered in #1 below.
Do you, because they are out of something, decide to assume everyone wants the closest thing so you do the ordering for me? That part is covered in #3 below.
WHEN do you decide to check up on WHERE the food is? If the kitchen staff somehow lost the ticket, did you wait 30 minutes and then decide to find out that or did you check after 10-15 minutes to see that our food was getting started on?
Once, we had a Red Lobster waitress had our 2 entrรฉes on the tray as well as 2 side salads that were for a couple that wasnโt even there when we ordered. Anyway, instead of bypassing their table to hand us ours first since WE DID ORDER FIRST(common sense would tell you that it takes more time to cook food than it does to fix a side salad anyways even if it wasnโt our server that delivered our food, but it was our waitress that delivered our food), she decided to hand them theirs first off the tray. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE SERVERโS CONTROL TO HAND OUT THINGS OFF THE SAME TRAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH IT WAS ORDERED IN!!
Once, we had a waitress that greeted us which we ordered an appetizer as well as our drinks when greeted. I saw she tucking in chairs at empty tables and pretty much doing everything but coming back to get our entrรฉe order. Well, I found out what happened. She brought out our appetizer and when I asked she said that she wanted to wait to put in our entrรฉe orders. The thing is, that delayed us more by not at least coming to GET our orders. That way, when the appetizer was ready, we wouldnโt have gotten delayed eating our appetizer since we then had to give our entrรฉe orders when we could have given our entrรฉe orders WELL BEFORE THAT and we would have gotten our entrรฉes faster due to that she could have just left to put our entrรฉe orders into the computer after delivering our appetizer instead of taking time to order when our appetizer was sitting in front of us. The point is, SHE delayed our entrรฉes as well as to be able to start eating our appetizer because she could have at least TAKEN our entrรฉe orders and then when our appetizer would have been brought out, could have immediately gone to the computer to put our entrรฉe orders in. What she did was make us wait while our hot appetizer was sitting in front of us, we couldnโt touch it, because we had to order our entrรฉes and could have done that wayyy before that. She also delayed our entrรฉes because we had to spend extra time AFTER our appetizer arrived to give her our entrรฉe orders when we could have done that wayyyy before that.
Once, we had a waitress that assumed that because they were out of raspberry topping for a cheesecake slice when we had ordered dessert that sheโd bring us strawberry. Turns out, she knew when she put in the order that the computer had it the manager told us. So she did it on PURPOSE to be so lazy and uncaring as to not come to ask if we wanted the next closest thing. We didnโt, we sent it back, so she had MORE WORK. Also, she didnโt even think about what if someone is allergic to strawberries. I just honestly canโt believe someone would do that. If they are out of something, common sense would be to come to see if the next closest thing is ok. Not everyone wants the next closest thing. So it wasnโt like it was just getting the order wrong by accident or by not verifying the written order with what she was bringing or putting in the order wrong by accident, this was on PURPOSE to be LAZY and to ASSUME. I didnโt know at first that she did that. I thought at first she just was that stupid(or truly just messed up(highly doubt it)) to bring us strawberries on top of a cheesecake when we ordered raspberries.
Your server delays coming to get your order or delays you ordering due to personal conversation. We have had that before as well. Once, we had a waiter that we didnโt know after waiting 15 mins. for a table on Mardi Gras day ask us BEFORE we ORDERED ANYTHING โHowโs yโallโs Mardi Grasโ โGo to any parades.โ See, I donโt mind chit chat with a stranger, but be considerate to do it AFTER we have our orders into the computer so you donโt take up our time.
We have also had servers not come to get our order due to playing around. Sometimes taking a long time or a longer time has A LOT to do with the server: My husband and I have had 3 TIMES where servers FORGOT to put food orders into the computer. We also have 8 times servers forget to get bar drinks from the bar. Once a waitress forgot to put in a bar drink into the computer. Two of the 3 times it was an appetizer and the servers ADMITTED doing so. The third time was a cup of bisque which is normally served before a meal just like a side salad is. My husband and I also have had delays due to that the servers delayed putting orders into the computer when they COULD have such as deciding to buss a table first or decide instead of a mini-greet(Iโll be right with you all), one waiter I saw decided to take a party of 6 peopleโs drink/appetizer orders instead of putting in our food orders into the computer. I can understand if they call you over, but if they donโt, you should be putting that order into the computer not delaying our food. The longer you wait to put in orders, the LONGER WE WAIT!! So truly think about that MOST of the time when you wait a LONG TIME for your food or bar drinks even, it could be the serverโs fault. 9 times out of 10, your server had SOMETHING to do with the delay in most cases! Thatโs the GODโS TRUTH!
More often than not, the *SERVER is CAUSING your delay. How many times have I seen servers that have been triple sat not going to the computer, but VOLUNTARILY* without being called over take 2 other table's orders? A NUMBER OF TIMES. The LONGER you wait to put in my order, the LONGER I wait.
Also, you say they can't do something about it, but if the cooks are fucking around back in the kitchen, the server can get the manager, they can notify them of table 5 ordered 20 minutes ago for mozzarella sticks, why aren't they out yet, kind of thing.
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Springs131 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:52:01 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Continued:
Read what Stef 319 said:
http://howtobeagoodserver.blogspot.c...?commentPage=4
She is responding to MT's comment and this was a waitress at a Red Lobster. I had gone on her blog, she came onto mine agreeing with me. Her blog has since been deleted, so I can't go on hers, but her comment is still on my blog.
" MT "Your system of never taking another tables drink order before turning in a ticket would back you up terribly, not to mention the humongous quantity of time you'd waste checking plates and menu prices. It would take you forever to get anything done."
In my opinion, MT, once an order is taken, it should be put into the computer IMMEDIATELY. Once my guests place their order with me, the clock begins to tick. They should be getting their apps 5-10 minutes after they PLACE their order, and their entrees should take between 20-30 minutes (where I work). You really should not start off a new table with an appetizer or dinner order on hold. The guests who just placed their order (who are hungry) are watching you approach another table. You then have to build your rapport, go over the specials, and possibly answer questions. This can potentially be very time consuming and your guests are not going to appreciate the delay in your service. There are other times when it is acceptable to work all your tables together, but when you have a food order you shouldn't be doing this. The correct way to handle this is to approach the table (with the other tables' menus in hand) and acknowledge their presence, and tell them YOU WILL BE RIGHT BACK. Then you ring in the order, go back to the table, and then you can do your greeting, go over specials, answer questions, etc. Now you can take your time with the new table cause you know that your other tables' food is getting worked on by the kitchen. I know that this can be time-consuming but it really is worth it. Waste no time getting food orders in. August 5, 2011 at 12:05 PM "
You do realize that she is right about once you take an order, the CLOCK BEGINS TO TICK and that actually goes for anyone waiting for a table AS WELL AS the customers that the server took the order from.
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/ti...337603/page-14
flowwiththego said:
โSprings does make some good points. In my experience, at least half the time if not more it is the servers fault when food takes too long. for example, I hate when the servers hold their tix and put in 4 (or even three) at once. They are not allowed to do that. So the first table has to wait extra long and other servers got tix in also. I canโt tell you how many times someone will say they have been here for 45 minutes and the tix time says they were 20 minutes.โ
Stef319 was a server and AGREES WITH ME, isn't that something? It's because it's TRUE. Look at Flowwiththego how this person said how the first table has to wait "EXTRA LONG", which is preventing customers from getting seated faster if there is a wait for a table or if there becomes a wait for a table when the customer arrives. Every MINUTE, SECOND COUNTS in service. That's what you don't seem to understand. As this person said, other servers have put orders in also AHEAD of that first table, so the first table REALLY GETS A HUGE, HUGE HIT when it comes to wait times. It prevents that table from leaving faster. If it's a triple sat situation, even the second table is being punished for the 3rd table. Not going to put in orders right after getting them only helps ONE table out the 3 and that is making the other 2 tables contribute to a longer wait time to get seated even. You think that waiting to get seated has nothing to do with the server, but it SURE THE HELL DOES. EVERY mistake they make contributes to a longer wait for a table. Especially if it's the check that has an overcharge. We have EXPERIENCED being there longer, so we KNOW and you obviously don't you don't! Try next time talking when you KNOW WTH you are talking about.
It's not a "point of view", it's the GOD'S HONEST TRUTH of what I am saying and it's a LIE of what you are saying. I have seen servers buss a table BEFORE going to put an order in LOTS of times. There's no reason for that, NONE! Especially if there's no wait for a table.
Every mistake your server brings that is a DUH OBVIOUS error like missing condiments on the side or wrong food, etc. that takes up TIME. So it's like 2 mistakes in one, because it's not only the food mistake, but it takes TIME to bring it out wrong and then bring back the corrected item or missing item.
DrProfScience ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:11:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've worked in the restaurant business my entire life. Family owns a restaurant and my dad and me and cousins and uncle cooks. My mom and sister waitress. I generally tip 20% as a default and raise for good service., but you better believe that if you are unfriendly and incompetent I will dump your ass with fucking pocket change.
CleverTwigboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't worry I have your tip right here"
Pours 20% as is apparently expected but only in pennies.
I say apparently because I dunno.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:27:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leave a 1 cent tip for exceptionally horrible service instead.
gmlubetech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:01:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree with this. I once tipped 8 cents after a server brought me the wrong food not once but twice and then took half an hour to get me a pint of beer. (restaurant was not busy at all and the bar was right inside). 99% of the time I leave decent tips but I absolutely will not tip well when I get garbage service that is clearly their fault.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, proper etiquette would dictate that you tip the expected minimum and speak with the manager, though of course, that could lead to more problems for the server.
I've been a sever and like many, have also had bad service. I do not agree in not tipping anything, even in horrible situations.
ceetc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the person was sincerely super apologetic I would probably have still done a standard tip. Sometimes things get fucked no matter how hard you try. If the person was an ass about it at all though I'd scoop the change after paying.
QueenOfPurple ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:09:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's only been within the last year or so that I've left a tip based on quality of service. Reading /r/talesfromyourserver changed my mindset.
In one situation, I left ZERO tip. I literally had to walk up to the hostess station and pay because my server dropped the check and never returned.
If I get bad service, I tip maybe 10%. I'll certainly tip 20% if service is good and deserving.
GunzGoPew ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:11:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah. Bad service gets nothing from me.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:20:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends for me. Is it really busy and they're understaffed? If they don't refill the glasses as much as I'd like, I can understand. But if it's moderate and they're well staffed then it's frustrating.
kingofeggsandwiches ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:12:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Funny how 10% is considered to be a decent tip in most of the world, however for you it's a bad service tip.
hitension ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The issue here is not tipping just sends a message of "I'm a dick" instead of "You have bad service." I'm sure the server didn't WANT to spill a drink on you, they just fucked up. The waiter will just grumble a bit and forget about it. You were probably one of like 20 tables (s)he served that evening, possibly among them Europeans who didn't tip because unfamiliarity with US culture, etc. Nobody will know of the bad service you received and nothing will improve.
If you really want the restaurant to improve, get a manager and explain calmly what happened. They are heavily invested in making sure you have a good dining experience. For service that bad I'd predict your whole meal would be comped at a minimum, might get an extra dessert or free meal in the future or something as well, depending on the type of restaurant and manager's discretion. You'd pay way less, get better service, girlfriend gets appropriate meal(you could probably doggy bag the free Wrongmeal as well) and the issue would be brought to light. Everyone wins!
Also some restaurants pool tips, so not tipping also screws over the other servers for no reason.
Lastly yes, it'd probably make more sense for the industry to just pay a living wage to servers so they don't have to rely on tips, but in practice (judging from non tipped low skill workers in fast food, retail, etc) servers would probably end up getting minimum wage or close to it. As it is, waiting tables is one of the few non skilled jobs remaining where people can eke out something of a living wage. (Usually $15-20/hour, could go higher at fancier places). Humanity as a whole is far kinder than some corporate bigwig setting a fixed wage. I think this is a good thing.
Source: Was a server before/during college, now a white collar type, got through at least in part due to savings earned through waiting tables.
GunzGoPew ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. I don't actually care about any of that. I just never went there again.
ryguy28896 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of a comment I made about an incredibly rude server, and I tipped "only" 15%.
Yup. Downvoted.
GunzGoPew ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:51:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question: why the hell would you tip a rude waiter?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because nowadays some people are trying to say that 20% tip is actually more reasonable. Or 23.5% on some places with a little electronic sliding scale, which I don't even know how to calculate, and no way I'm paying that much.
BearyPotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've only withheld a tip three times. Each time, the service was completed terrible. Once, a server took a very long time to put in our order and then brought cold food that was incorrect anyway. She took another 30 minutes to check back on us and another 45 minutes to bring a corrected meal which was also cold. No tip.
Another, a server dumped an entire tray of drinks on me. No apology, and all he did was bring a stack of napkins and put them on the table in front of me without saying a word. We had only ordered drinks at that point. We paid, didn't tip, and left without eating.
The third was just all around bad service. Slow, rude, mistakes on the order. Texting at the register while we tried to get his attention. Just shitty.
i_have_a_semicolon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how apologetic was he?
GunzGoPew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not at all. He tried to argue with me
i_have_a_semicolon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
then he didnt deserve any tip!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If the person did their job tip them, if they didn't, fuck it.
lilyvale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was a waitress, I once spilled gravy in a woman's purse. She was pissed! Weirdly, she still tipped me though, and quite well......I most certainly didn't expect it.
It was hilarious, though. I laughed, albeit guiltily, about that for months. :D
dogpriest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Had a waitress ask us to pay before we even got our food so that she could "go ahead home for the night." That's fine but don't expect more than some quarters.
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:22 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would have REFUSED to pay for something I didn't receive yet. She could go to hell, seriously, fuck her.
bythog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:33:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I've spoken to a manager before to try to get a waitress at minimum reprimanded for how utterly incompetent she was. Things she did:
At that point we didn't even eat the food and decided to leave. I had the hostess get the manager and described our evening to him. Waitress finally appears and says that we were lying and that we need to pay for our dinner. If I weren't so angry at this point I would have fell over laughing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:06:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Waiters/waitresses like to complain as if it's so terrible that they have to rely on tips... but...
If you ask any of them if they'd prefer a flat standard cheap wage, they'll all say no, because they know some nights they'd triple what they would make at 9 bucks an hour due to people buying alcohol and tipping on top of that.
funkymunniez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:42:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I barely want to tip waiters even when they do their job right. That much fuck up? Nope.
mbinder ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 21:22:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care what my waiter did. I will always pay at least 15% tip. They rely on that money to live, and everyone makes mistakes. I don't get people who think they deserve perfection - chill out!
GunzGoPew ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:24:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you're a sucker.
The dude ruined my night. We were supposed to go somewhere else after we ate, but my girlfriend was so upset that she just wanted to get home.
I really don't give a fuck about the waiter, to be honest. I'm not expecting "perfection" I'm expecting "Don't try to defraud me, pay attention to what I order, and please don't spill booze on us."
Springs131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:24 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get why servers think they deserve the "PERFECT TIP" if they didn't do a good job? It's one thing if it's a tiny mistake, but even then, if I don't get an apology, it's not going to be 20% the tip. If they aren't nice, why should I give them exactly 20%?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why should someone be obliged to pay a worker who cannot competently do his job?
mbinder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because working for free is slavery. And my idea of a competent job is did I eat? If yes, then tip.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If a waiter doesn't do a good enough job to earn a VOLUNTARY tip, he by no means deserves it. I can't fucking believe you call that slavery. That waiter is not being forced to work there, and he is not working for free.
Also, if your bare minimum of "good service" is getting your food, more power to you I suppose... but that's a pretty low standard.
ASISlifestyle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:11:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you think tips are "voluntary" you are a jackass. It is a merit based payment system, by leaving 0 you are saying the person should work free for you (And yes it is working for free when your garbage hourly only covers your tax burden). If they suck, leave them less, but you really don't seem like you should eat out. You are the type of person subsidized by everyone else.
ItsaMe_Rapio ยท 1437 points ยท Posted at 15:08:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that sometimes, Long Island Iced Teas are in fact made with iced tea. It got around -30
I should note that I'm a bartender. People were basically telling me that I had never seen a recipe that uses it.
ninj3 ยท 372 points ยท Posted at 15:26:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made this mistake in real life when I ordered a long island iced tea thinking, "oo well I do like iced tea!"
prospect12 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 16:26:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well it does taste like tea.
ninj3 ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 16:48:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly the iced part is accurate
COCK_MURDER ยท -20 points ยท Posted at 17:28:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha it also tastes like a fresh anus, to be fair
ninj3 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:38:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it? I wouldn't know...
Sounds_of_a_Sax ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:47:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found Sheldon
ninj3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wish. That would mean I've already finished my god damned doctorate.
-Paraprax- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
'Sup, Pinciotti
solitudechirs ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:17:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It always bothers me when I get downvoted on something I know to be true, that I've indisputably experienced in my life. I once said that you can cut a motorcycle tire down the middle to make it easier to get off a rim (it makes it way easier to break the bead when you have essentially two separate tires on the rim). I was told that's not possible unless you use a grinder or a dremel type cut off wheel..I had just changed my tire a month or so prior, and cut it down the middle in about 15 seconds with a normal utility knife "box cutter" with an old, rusty blade. But someone else said it's not possible, and other people read that and downvoted without any confirmation. It's not the votes I care about, it's that people just decided one person was right and not another without evidence pointing either way.
DumbAccountNameHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Been a long time, but a long Island iced tea is vodka gin rum tequila and triple sec, all clear varieties. Then add sour mix, and then coke till it looks like iced tea.
boreas907 ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 17:22:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nondrinker here. They're not? I always assumed they were made by adding some kind of liquor to tea.
thorscope ยท 277 points ยท Posted at 18:04:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they're made by adding some type of liquor to a dozen other types of liquor. Finish it off with a drop of coke for the tea color
ginger_walker ยท 146 points ยท Posted at 19:22:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Five liquors. With a splash of coke. Tequila, vodka, gin, triple sec, rum. Five white liquors. It's black and white. This is a long island
payasopeludo ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:24:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And sour mix
pleasentpear ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:51:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
with potato wedges?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and sour cream.
ginger_walker ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:53:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a bar. Just like, when I make a margarita at home, there's no bar mix involved
Eclectix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:48:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whether you use a bar mix or fresh squeezed lemon and sugar, a proper Long Island has sour mix in it.
silkforcalde32 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:37:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't. He's correct. You're usually going to see sour mix at a bar because it's an easy and cheap replacement for other ingredients but it's not something the drink calls for, it's just a shortcut that a lot of establishments use.
Eclectix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:48:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying, but the drink calls for lemon juice and sugar. This is what is meant by sour. You can mix them together ahead of time, or you can add them to the drink as you make it. Or you can buy and use a pre-made mix, though I don't advise it because they're nowhere near as good as fresh, and fresh isn't that much work really. Regardless of the method you choose, the recipe for a Long Island iced tea calls for sour. I like to mix a bunch of fresh sour up and freeze it as ice cubes in 1/2 oz portions. Makes it fast and easy to use, and fresh frozen is nearly indistinguishable from fresh.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:00:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU! (for margaritas, any way) And no orange liqueur, which bastardizes good tequila. If I was going to have one, I only liked a Pure/Classic Margarita.
http://www.thekitchn.com/recipe-pure-mexican-margarita-recipes-from-the-kitchn-188010
clintnorth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sour mix with a splash of coke
ginger_walker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At most bars/restaurants, they put bar mix in a margarita. When I make one at home, I most definitely do not. Tequila, triple sec, lime juice. I like to add disaronno. Bar mix is for bars to increase their profitability and give their patrons belly aches and the shits.
clintnorth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience the places that use bar mix are shitty college bars or shitty dives. Most places have the decency to use a crappy sour mix at LEAST.
It is a very short list of things I cant stomach to drink, but "long island mix" tops the charts there.
Along with sambuca, because fuck licorice.
thorscope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea I'm aware, I was more making a joke to the user above my comment.
airbreather02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I know is that after I drink three triple Long Island ice teas, I'm slurring.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A TRIPLE LIT? THREE of them? So like 9? I'd be dead! Will they make a triple? WHERE?
lookingforsongideas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it as strong of a drink as it sounds?
Retro21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
no it's not, this is Scotland. I can double check by looking out the window if you want.
ginger_walker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:44:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A
504play ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tequila should never be used in a long island. A lot of people do use it but the shouldnt
ginger_walker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you say that? It is part of the recipe. If you make it without tequila, it's not a long island is it? Like a martini with anything other than gin and vermouth isn't a martini. But maybe I'm just a prude
504play ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It wasnt part of the original recipe, somewhere along the line some places/ people added it in. Im willing to bet it probably would not be in the recipe if i googled it right now. I'll be right back.
Edit: i was wrong, to be fair it also said to use lemon juice and not sour mix, so obviously it was a stupid recope anyway. But a cocktail should not taste like alcohol and if you make a long island with tequila you will taste the tequila. Try it with and without next time. 2 different drinks. One that masked the taste of the alcohol like a cocktail should and one that tastes like tequila.
ginger_walker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a drink I make anyway... but, why shouldn't I be able to taste the alcohol? For me, if I choose a cocktail over a beer or wine, I'm probably looking to get a faster buzz. And I mean some two ingredient drinks like a gin and tonic or a martini, you're absolutely going to be able to taste the gin...
504play ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A "cocktail" is three or more ingredients. Gin and tonic or rum and coke is a "mixed drink". Cocktails are designed to mask the taste of alcohol. If you want to taste the alcohol and get drunk fast, do a shot of straight alcohol.
ginger_walker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not really into shots. I still like to enjoy the drink. Thanks for the education on cocktail vs mixed drink, I was unaware
AmyLaze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but somehow they are great!
Nerrickk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:12:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would be all the sugar from the sweet and sour mix.
pillowvpillow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL
DwayneSmith ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:32:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then there's my own recipe for New Jersey Ice Tea, which is just some shitty ready made ice tea and cheapest vodka available.
chefboiardee ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:47:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
reminds me of my Boston Iced Tea where I chug a bunch of whatever liquor is within arms reach and chase it with the closest non-liquor (could be iced tea!)
lucille-hits ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:07:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Coke and sour mix gives the tea color/taste. I have seen real ice tea used before though.
pan_glob ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:40:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nooo. Not the classic one anyway, although adding iced tea on top of it is fine. It's the 4 clear liquors with triple sec and coca cola.
jopnk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Half ounce vodka, gin, white rum, three quarter ounce triple sec and tequila, fill with sour, splash of Coke for color, mix, garnish with lemon. Long Island ice tea.
bogidyboy ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:56:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if someone ASKS for one with iced tea then I'm sure you could abide...
clancularii ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:43:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean "oblige"
bogidyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might be right
clancularii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The two words sound similar so I imagine it's not an uncommon mistake. Like saying "should of" instead of "should have". Coincidentally, I came across this comment a few minutes ago.
cabaar ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:01:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can u tell us a recipe for Long island ice tea with actual ice tea? Im really curious and would try it :)
donkeymonk ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 16:21:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Make a regular one and add iced tea.
Heavensector ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 18:00:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The iced tea replaces the splash of cola.
janedoethefirst ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:27:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I use iced tea and coke.
Heavensector ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:44:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Eptar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's a sick fuck, apparently.
I_EAT_POOP_AMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just make a Long Island Iced Tea like normal, but instead of the cola you add Iced Tea to give it that color.
Or you can do it the white trash way which is a shit ton of Sailor Jerry's in a gallon of Iced Tea. Gets you just as drunk just as fast and you don't need a degree in mixology to remember how to make it when you're hammered and run out
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Southern Hospitalitea is a hot tea made with booze in it, it's basically like a hot toddy.
Ahtobe_original ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Good eats" does an episode on punch. Long island is included.
CarlosFer2201 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL LIIT isn't simply tea with booze
gettingthereisfun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just add iced tea to my whisky, works for me.
Diabetesh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is it made of under both circumstances?
TheChodedOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not made with iced tea?
bc2zb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's my understanding that Long Island Iced Tea is named ironically. It's based off a standard punch recipe, which would always include tea as an ingredient. A Long Island Iced Tea does not usually have tea in it, so they called it a tea as a joke. Interesting to hear that there are variants that include tea.
the_highest_elf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
add firefly? sounds like a great idea to me
Alwin_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have an upvote, just because I'm a bartender too. Reddit should really create a beer-sending system - would have sent a drink over instead.
Ahtobe_original ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair most bars in the USA do not put any tea in them. In fact the only reason I know tea actually is an ingredient in a classic long island is the show "good eats". I have never seen a splash of tea across the USA and all other continents. Period.
pharmaSEEE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a pharmacist, and made a comment distinguishing homeopathy from alternative medicine because people were using the terms interchangeably. Downvoted.
Like alright, that's fine, I only went to school for 8 years to learn this shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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pharmaSEEE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:19:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Homeopathy is a subset of alternative medicine, but people like to brand any kind of herb or nutraceutical as "homeopathic remedies". Homeopathy refers specifically to the "like cures like" principle, and the process of taking one or more ingredients and diluting them until they are almost indistinguishable in the final product. Unless a product follows these two rules, it is not considered homeopathy.
In the thread I was talking about, people were calling massage and snake oil supplements homeopathy and I pointed out that was an incorrect portrayal of homeopathy. Apparently they didn't like that much.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:53:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should call it a LARGE island iced tea.
No, no wait, they shouldn't.
neums08 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The basic recipe for a long island is this: 3/4 oz each of gin, rum, tequila, vodka, triple sec. Now add whatever you can to this abomination to make it drinkable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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neums08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My "place" is my home bar.
jojotoughasnails ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do people think all bars just have tea behind the counter?
It always shocked me how people don't realize what's in one. It's just all the shit in your speed rack...and not all of it is liquor.
It's astounding how many people don't know the difference between liquor and a liquer.
RuroniHS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:55:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On Long Island they are made with iced tea...
ProdigalSheep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:02:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Earlier today some guy was telling me that non-disclosure agreements were limited to things like state secrets. I'm a lawyer. He clearly was not.
Nogen12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what recipe for it uses iced tea? is it a replacement for the coke?
tjpdaniels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:51:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No reason it can't be made with Iced Tea if requested. I've had it with Pineapple Juice instead of Coke before and that was pretty refreshing.
jhn107 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:22:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I order a Long Island Iced Tea, I ask if it can be made with a tea base. Some bartenders look at me like I'm nuts. Some bartenders pull out their recipe book. But the good ones say I can make it anyway you want it :)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
at least you were able to redeem yourself with 70+ up votes :)
lucille-hits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bartender here. I have seen it used before also.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? Do your patrons want sweet-tea then, or is it done merely to make the drink less sugary?
BipolarGod ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a bartender and you're telling people that long islands have actual tea in it, regardless of what incorrect moron wrote it down, you deserve to be downvoted.
Its like saying, you one time glanced at an index card that said rocky mountain oysters have actual oysters in them.
onioning ยท 669 points ยท Posted at 14:55:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In a TIL about a steakhouse that dry ages
cheesebeef I briefly commented that dry aged is different than fresh, and not necessarily better. I dry age steaks for a living. I like fresher steaks better. Apparently that's a super objectionable thought, because double digit downvotes.Edit: beef, not cheese.
ritsikas ยท 222 points ยท Posted at 16:06:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does your comment have to do with the steakhouse dry aging cheese?
onioning ยท 593 points ยท Posted at 16:42:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Beef. Sorry. I meant beef. I was eating cheese.
NathVanDodoEgg ยท 327 points ยท Posted at 17:21:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, we understand how the deliciousness of cheese can corrupt the mind.
pillowvpillow ยท 132 points ยท Posted at 18:29:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's too damn gouda!
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:36:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Dexaan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:54:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Puns are a cottage industry on Reddit.
IntimidatingBlackGuy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:53:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit can be pretty cheesy sometimes.
Boathead96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheese
EternalAssasin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are very proud of this, aren't you?
TittyTazed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't brielieve you said that!
MarcelRED147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get out.
Newyauchcity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey you used a pun there because instead of saying good you said Gouda
BadgersForChange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't decide between cheddar and Colby, so I decided to Edam both
psycommander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't even work if you say it right. Just like english Van Gogh jokes.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:06:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never tell Americans how to pronounce things properly. I live here. Even taking their guns away in the name of the Queen won't piss off an American as much as telling them how to pronounce things properly.
psycommander ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know how to pronounce dutch words because I am dutch you asshat. Now repeat after me: jalapeรฑo /hรฆlษหpeษชnjoส/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point of OP's joke was that Americans pronounce the name of the cheese Gouda as "goodah"...i.e. "good. The word "good" in American English means that the food is tasty. You know: Namnam, Nomnom, yumyum, yummy, etc.
psycommander ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you don't have to explain it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were so confused...why not be happy I taught you something new?
psycommander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was never confused, i just didn't agree with the pronunciation which makes the 'joke' work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So...you deny Americans pronounce Gouda as "goo-dah"?
What an odd thing to be adamant about...
Newyauchcity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you should talk about this post somewhere else in this thread.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
how do you pronounce it then?
slowhand88 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But how much cheese is too much cheese?
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any amount of cheese before a date is too much cheese!
onioning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheese is our savior.
ritsikas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, makes more sense like that.
Imtheprofessordammit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant XKCD
Glory2Hypnotoad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Next time someone calls me a dick I'll attribute it to the same mistake.
dabosweeney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...maybe edit your comment beyond just the edit line
onioning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Give me a break. I was on mobile. Better?
i_have_a_semicolon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
then fix your damn comment!
ProtoJazz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dry aging cheese just sounds like you left it out and it got hard.
MarcelRED147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that not what we're meant to do?
onioning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:03:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I'm not really sure what wet aging cheese would even be. I don't think I want to find out.
flamedarkfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:33:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because dry aged cheese is the bomb.
-Manananggal- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is cheese aged? I've visited the Tilamook factory and the fresh off the line samples are so much better than 'aged' store bought. Is it just a marketing gimmick?
alphazero924 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:13:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Unless you're talking about the cheese curds samples, those samples are already aged. The entire point of cheese is the aging process which happens before it's packaged and sold.
It starts out as cream/milk, gets turned into cheese curds, then gets all bundled up and aged for some amount of time that depends on the type of cheese, and after that is when it goes through the packaging process you get to see at the cheese factory.
The reason you find the fresh samples to taste better is either a placebo or because after it's been packaged it's stored differently than while it's being initially aged.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't explain it, but if you buy the Tillamook extra-aged white medium cheddar, from my experience it is definitely better than their normal medium cheddar.
onioning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just depends on the cheese, and the intent. Lots of cheeses are better fresher. Fresh cheddar can be awesome, but I think I do prefer aged. Like when it gets a little bit of smoky character despite never having been smoked. That's where it's at. But fresh is great too. I can see Tilamook being better fresher.
janedoethefirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is the difference taste wise? I have no idea how old the meat I usually eat it. I don't buy expensive meat so I may not have tried dry aged. That sounds fancy. I have no idea...
onioning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on technique and time. Really long aged beef, like 60 days plus, gets these crazy cheesy flavors. I've had 100 day that tastes like parmesan. There's variation, but you develop all these complex flavors that meld together in a distinctive way. It's not that unlike aging pork as in salumi (which is more my jive).
Less time is just more subtle, and it can be extremely subtle. IMO less than 45 days isn't worthwhile. Just too much effort for too little reward. The difference between two weeks (which is normal old school) and four (which is normal for folks that advertise aging (including me for the most part)) is meaningless. I bet I could accurately determine which was which in a blind tasting like maximum 75% of the time, and this is what I do for a living.
But long dry aged is at least really interesting, and definitely worth trying, if only for the experience. Just at the end of the day I'd rather eat a steak that tastes like beef, not cheese. Shoot. I don't even need a 14 day carcass hang. Ten does just fine.
janedoethefirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get my meat from the grocery store, I am assuming is is whatever is cheapest for them. I am going to have to look into aged meats though, sounds interesting.
onioning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's hung for 5-7 days at most, or broken immediately. Probably much more so the latter, though not sure about that. The scientific literature suggests 7 is where it's at.
PicklePucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't get past the smell of a dry aged steak to be able to eat it.
onioning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if you don't like the smell, you probably won't like the taste. It aint mild. Funk's definitely the appropriate word.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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onioning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm stubborn, and I actually know about this shit, so I got blasted in that thread. Maybe a hundred plus overall downvoted, between posts. It was right when I was doing a whole bunch of controlled evaluations, for a bunch of factors. I just wanted to talk about aging steaks...
Correct_MyEnglishPls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The average food culture on Reddit is terrible. Just look at /r/food
onioning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I know. I sub to a bunch of them, especially the meat ones, because it's what I do, but it's so damned circle jerky. I'd think a healthy sub would welcome participation from professionals. Even if you think I'm wrong, I'd think my posts welcome. Most of the time nope. Shame. I don't get much opportunity outside work to talk butchery and meat curing.
It is getting better I think though. I believe it's now theoretically possible to have a post about steak that isn't 100% fighting about doneness. Baby steps.
Correct_MyEnglishPls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True. I'm not a professional but I enjoy cooking and most importantly I was born and raised in italy (lived there for 17 years and go back every year).
I always got downvoted about Italian food because "I don't know how real Italians eat".
Jowitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't tried that kind of jerky before, but Reddit talks about it all the time so it must be delicious.
onioning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Naw. It's pretty over-rated.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:42:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Food is so retarded. All their front-page posts are basically a Cholesterol Special, and if you point out it's repetitive fawning over meat boards and steaks years on end they just get pissy.
LastManOnEarth3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:38:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you appreciatig thst you are circle jerking about people circle jerking on /r/food? "People agree with this concept a lot" is not a valid criticism of the concept.
jhn107 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:37:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A new steakhouse opened in town a few weeks ago. The chef makes both dry aged and freshly cut steaks. He sells the dry aged beef by the ounce and the freshly cut steaks at a fixed price. I can't count how many times I've seen people order the dry aged beef, compare it to someone else's fresh cut steak, and decide it wasn't worth the added premium. I don't think it's the beef, though. I think it's the chef. You have to know your meat to get the best out of it.
PM_Me_Churros ยท 230 points ยท Posted at 16:29:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I was asking for advice in u/personalfinance. The question led to somebody saying "get a degree" just like that. I said "I'm graduating this summer, thank you very much" and that was downgrade by like -8. That was bull.
ThePeoplesBard ยท 101 points ยท Posted at 00:47:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sub can be a joke sometimes. I've learned some nifty things, but a lot of posts that get upvoted don't make any sense. I remember some post with a guy bragging about how he paid down $400k in debt in two years by just "not eating out anymore". But he told us his salary, and it was mathematically impossible that he'd paid off his debts that fast. It wasn't even close. And people were eating his story up.
GabuTheBunny ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 01:11:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you did there
estrangedeskimo ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 01:15:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, he was claiming that he saved several times the average annual household income by not eating out? Was the guy making $250k a year and spending it on restaurants?
LordRuby ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:25:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It seems like half the posts about amazing money saving ideas involve having a very high paying job to begin with, and act like it's so amazing they lived below their means.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:49:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I don't give a flying fuck about someone who turned around their net worth by living on 'only' $55k a year and putting the rest towards debt. Even in fucking Manhattan or San Francisco or Hong Kong that's not exactly slumming; in 99.9% of the world it's at least middle class. Who cares?! But somehow those posts always get a lot of praise. The sub has far too much influence from young engineers and developers who are still figuring out money and praise each other wildly for not screwing up an easy life.
reddit_gold_man ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you post the link? Interested to know what the comments were like.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:45:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/personalfinance is basically just /r/frugaljerk crossed with /r/I_MAKE_SIX_FIGURES_AND_I_STOPPED_SPENDING_LIKE_A_FUCKING_RETARD.
Sooo many massively upvoted posts about paying off $150k in two years with a $125k salary. Big fucking woop.
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 01:04:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that sub is useless unless you're making a good living on a consistent salary. it's full of wankers who think they've figured out some secret of microeconomics.
RentonBrax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:00:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I unsubbed after the thousandth time the question came up "I'm 17 and just been kicked out of home. How do I get on my feet?" and the answer is always "Start saving $250 a month for retirement." Wow guys, maybe some advice on basic personal finance planning to get him through the first few pay checks is in order first.
FourO40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well. The reply doesn't come off very nice even if you weren't trying to be rude.
The way you worded it kinda made you sound like a sarcastic asshole.
sussinmysussness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:04:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. The "thankyou very much" line always sounds sarcastic when read from text to me. Maybe I'm just a cynical asshole?
AichSmize ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Parents let a young child go to the counter (fast food) to place the order. The whole "omg a pedophile could do anything because the parents were more than 0.0000000000001 inches away" crowd was out in full force.
I pointed out how ridiculous that was, as the parents were there, knew the location, and trusted their child with the responsibility.
Bam, instant -200.
cusredpeer ยท 344 points ยท Posted at 22:57:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair, i remember a story where a kid got away for a second and a gorilla ended up dead.
Bozzz1 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 23:33:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea you gotta be careful of the fast food gorillas, those things can be vicious.
zephyrIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's racist.
A7XGlock ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:24:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just read the story of James Bulger. Not for the weak hearted. Not agreeing children cant be left unattended ever, but shit happens.
TLDR: he was abducted, his mom was within ten feet.
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 01:09:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's a bit of an extreme example. They deliberately scoped out a kid and waited until her back was turned. Being kids themselves, no one questioned a 10 year old kid walking around with a toddler holding his hand. There were a lot of factors at play, and there wasn't much that could have been done to prevent this.
Kids die on playground equipment too. Doesn't mean we need to ban playgrounds.
Statistically, your child is safer with a stranger than they are a family friend. The last time I found a lost child I was picked him up and carried him like one of my own until I found the (by this point incredibly relieved) mother. The scary thing is, no one ever looked twice or questioned me. The good news is that the vast majority of people are not out to kidnap small children.
jhn107 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:18:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was banned from a group for saying that statistically speaking a teacher is much more likely to rape your child than a stranger. Each year, roughly 750 teachers are convicted of sexual assault. There are only 100-125 stranger abductions a year.
Surveys show that approximately 10% of students are sexually assaulted before they graduate from high school. And in 75% of the cases the abuser was female.
thedefinitionofidiot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:50:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am very confused, as the only James Bulger I am familiar with is a Boston mob boss.
night-wing-politics ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:52:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the story of a toddler being abducted and tortured by a pair of older kids.
A7XGlock ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:06:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UK kid about twenty years ago, abducted by 2 boys that were 10-11. They tortured and murdered him. He was like 2 years old and it was a completely random abduction
Professional_Bob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there also a witness to that incident who said that the mother only looked away for a second and the kid had already crawled out of reach? If this is actually true I'm really not sure why I'm seeing so many people criticising her so badly.
SosX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In that case, the kid knew exactly where the gorillas were and probably wanted to be near, I doubt a kid even knows what a pedophile is.
BadgersForChange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Force gorillas to use the bathroom that corresponds with their birth certificate
PM_ME_coded_msgs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source? /s
ayribiahri ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
so meta
abacussssss ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:17:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't find this comment, but I did discover an easy way to piss you off:
"You aren't a bad person if you're fat."
Martifyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
wow, that's a pretty ugly history he/she has...
neverbuythesun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dad used to make me go to the counter so he didn't have to do it. I think he was hoping I'd get kidnapped.
FourO40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the Southpark episode where the parents get to the point where they cant even trust themselves around their kids so they leave them with a bunch of Mongolians.
Skwr09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:19:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As your 201st upvote, I feel as if I am personally responsible for avenging you.
PLUTO_PLANETA_EST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
= ~2.5 * 10-15 m (small atomic nucleus)
ProdigalSheep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet dollars to donuts that this never happened, and I challenge you to link it from your post history.
tiltowaitt ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:25:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a thread in /r/apple where OP asked if there was any way to block ads in the Spotify iOS app without jailbreaking. Everyone said no, except for me. I gave three methods that work perfectly, one of which is free, and got downvoted.
comradeda ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 03:11:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is entirely possible corporate fogies downvote things that they see as threatening. I'm not saying it is the case, and it definitely shouldn't be, but reddit is pretty big news now.
Krickalicious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what were the methods?
we want proof
tiltowaitt ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:51:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I gave proof in my original reply in that comment, but ...
These methods will block not only Spotify ads, but any ad inside an app. There is a catch, though, which is that the first two only work on WiFi. I still think it's far better than the "you can't do it lol" wrong answers that were upvoted in the topic. The VPN works everywhere. And I suppose you could actually create your own VPN for this purpose.
Krickalicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
VPN does work lol.
Kmdick3809 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to know how to do this lol
tiltowaitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said how in another reply.
whenindoubtknititout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How dare you
austeninbosten ยท 174 points ยท Posted at 16:52:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ask Reddit about the worst party you attended. I made a joke about the Donner Party. The cannibals of Reddit were very offended I guess.
PeopleEatingPeople ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 22:51:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get it. The location was too secluded and cold. Main course had no variation.
austeninbosten ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 00:31:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out, LOL. Basically: "I went to something called the Donner Party. They ran out of food and people started eating each other." The reference was just too obscure for the crowd I guess,
estrangedeskimo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:43:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hostess: "Donner, party of 3!"
Customer: "Uhhh, it's 2 now... and we're not hungry anymore."
PeopleEatingPeople ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You only really run out of food after you start eating each other.
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 20:14:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think those people just didn't pay attention in history class because I think that's fucking hilarious.
Carnivorous_Jesus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I take offense to that
RedDeadRevengeance ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tbh it's a pretty overused joke
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:00:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you link it I'll up vote and might give you gold. That's actually hilarious.
Cruzzfish1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I found it, but it's archived. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/39krn1/what_happened_at_the_worst_party_youve_ever_been/cs5aka0
austeninbosten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I can't find it. I think I deleted it. I think it went over their head's at the time so I dumped the post.
Jahadaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It made me laugh
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If there was a serious tag then it was understandable
lucille-hits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ever see Cannibal the musical?
KoopaTryhard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I should downvote you right now for that shit. I've half a mind to eat half your mind.
austeninbosten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Least favorite expression ? " Let me pick your brain"
nyxnars ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 15:47:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got downvoted for defending a makeup lover's right to an opinion in a makeup subreddit.
I still don't get it.
NeilKemp ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 23:38:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They makeup their own rules over there
nyxnars ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:57:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heh
PALMTOPBUMBLEBEE ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:42:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a shaky foundation to build a subreddit on.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 03:17:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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nyxnars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:35:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that post! That subreddit is fickle.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:28:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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nyxnars ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:57:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was downvoted because that subreddit is cliquish and I'm not part of the cool kids.
poler_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was the opinion?
nyxnars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A woman was complaining about Sephora and everyone was downvoting her into oblivion so I posted a reply that, regardless of whether people agree, she should have the right to post an opinion on makeup in a makeup subreddit. I'm at -24 and counting.
poler_bear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol..... sigh. I learned some great techniques from that sub, but the culture can definitely be toxic so I've stopped commenting as often.
nyxnars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In my case, after that, I think I'll just stick to lurking.
Carnivorous_Jesus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:41:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you're a makeup subreddit
SecretaryRobin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On this site, if you don't believe with the hive mind about how makeup should work, you're downvoted past oblivion and straight into skyrim. I'm in a subreddit about a YouTube channel and every few months to few weeks there's another post about the girl member of the channel, criticizing her makeup. Recently, the girl herself came to the subreddit and took the "advise" to heart, and started doing her makeup the way they were telling her to. And, boy, does it look fucking stupid on her. It might have looked okay if her face was different, (and she already had a style that worked with her features) but this new style looks so stupid on her and I'm glad she's slowly easing back to her old way of doing her makeup. Of course, she isn't the most liked by the subreddit, so there's gonna be so much circlejerking of "OMG she said she'd take our advise, what happened?" Arg...
nyxnars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My comment actually included "hivemind" in it and boy, do people NOT like being told that they're mindless sheep. LOL
Priamosish ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 15:22:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I like German cars best in a post about cars. Got me ~30 downvotes, wtf.
Namika ยท 365 points ยท Posted at 15:42:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In a thread praising a $70,000 Tesla Model S, someone made a comment saying something about "rich, overpaid asshole BMW drivers".
I pointed out how most BMWs are like, half the price of the Tesla.
I got negative 50 karma...
[deleted] ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 16:16:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Damn you weren't even criticizing Tesla and you still got destroyed for stating a simple fact.
[deleted] ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 16:36:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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u_have_ASS_CANCER ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 18:52:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they are even worse because most Tesla fanboys have very little experience with cars in general, while Apple fanboys at least probably have used Android/Windows. There's plenty of posts that talk about how luxurious Teslas are. I've actually sat in a Mercedes S-Class and a Tesla and the Merc was nicer by far, like not even a close comparison. Yet if you write about how Tesla's build quality is definitely poor compared to Mercedes, Porsche, or any other luxury brand, you'll get shit on. Also people talk as if Teslas are the fastest cars around but that's not true either. They're the fastest in a straight line but on a track they get obliterated for the money you spend. They're simply not performance cars, especially when 25 year old cars with stock engines are faster.
desGrieux ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:13:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the part where it gets obliterated? I watched 5 mins of this but I never see the Tesla get passed, I only see it pass 20+ cars.
u_have_ASS_CANCER ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:17:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Compare the time between the Tesla and the Miata. Tesla is 12 seconds slower, and the Miata has 1/5 the horsepower.
Nurburgring is open to anybody, so a lot of amateurs drive on it. Both videos are of amateur drivers, there's another video of the test driver for Koenigsegg getting a 7:58 on his own Miata.
edit: To clarify, that was the fastest Tesla lap time I could find, but not the fastest Miata time
desGrieux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Where can I find that? I drive a Miata!
It looks like the Tesla can't pass that Audi A3(?) at the end.
(Nevermind Found it!, second video! haha)
Kamikaze_Urmel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's either a 2.0TFSI engine with 200HP or a 2.0TDI with 170HP. (2 chrome Exhaust pipes on the left side)
It could even be a 3.2 VR6 FSI engine with 250HP and quattro all wheel drive... IIRC those also had 2 chrome exhaust pipes after the facelift...
With those engines its weight should be around 1.5 tons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, the Tesla will do two laps really well for a sedan, but that's it. It'll overheat and go into limp mode.
The Model S isn't a track car.
ConstableBlimeyChips ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:54:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't ever been in a Tesla so I can't compare directly but I have been in a high end Audi and every car since has been compared to that car. I didn't even know cars could be that smooth, that quiet and that comfortable.
AlbertaBoundless ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:25:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I checked out the frame of a display Tesla, and the first thing that glared at me was the welds. They were fucking awful. Porosity, spatter everywhere, pinholes, cold lap.
steadyasthepenisdrum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I'm an apple "fanboy" and have used androids all my life. My rich best friend gave me her iPhone 6 as she got two for Christmas... Just over a year later, after the warranty ran out, I broke it :( it converted me to Apple though, and I am currently saving hard to buy an iphone 5.
moparr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow does it really do an 8:50 on the Ring? I get that it's not a pro driver but that isn't very quick. I remember t being a big deal when the 2008 CTS-V did a sub 8 minute lap. And just about every performance sedan since has been quicker. I always find it funny how people praise the Tesla for being so fast in a drag race, but if any other car was that kind of a one trick pony, it would be obliterated in comparison tests.
u_have_ASS_CANCER ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and that's the fastest I could find. The base model with a professional driver got actually a 10 minute lap time which is absolutely hideous.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:16:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ftfy
Mr_Dmc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:34:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna say... The number of Tesla fanboys who have never even seen one up close, let alone own one...
flyingcircusdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, all the comments in that video are about how good of a lap it was. For those who don't know, any performance car should be able to get around that track in under 8 minutes. Some can do it in under 7.
CptDepressing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of course the S-Class is nicer, it's an S-Class. The Model S is more directly compared to a C-Class, 3-series, and A4.
Most saying this as a defense of Tesla, im just pointing out that those two vehicles aren't in the same segment.
u_have_ASS_CANCER ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:56:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In terms of price, not really. The base Model S RWD is 58k with the federal incentive, which is an E-Class with some options. The other variants of the Model S go well into S-Class territory, which starts at 95k. The C-Class, 3 Series, and A4 all start at 35-40 grand, which is far cheaper than the base Model S. All the Model S is classified as full size sedan while those 3 you mentioned are all compact cars.
CptDepressing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 03:54:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know what? You rebuked me, elegantly and with sources to back it up. I concede completely. Well done.
jesonnier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That track is the bane of my existence in GT.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're fast in a straight line, great looking imo and very good for the environment. I wouldn't take a 2.4 ton machine on a track though.
yoloqueuesf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:28:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've sat in Merc S, audi, bmw, tesla and driven them all. Honestly, the tesla is the worse in comfort out of all of them. Whilst the tesla is amazingly fast at the beginning, if you've ever floored it all the way down, you feel like the car is about to spin off the road.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're not even the fastest in a straight line.
marino1310 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Id say they're likea combo of apple and android fanboys. Apple fanboys are fanatical about anything apple releases, regardless of its functionality. Android fanboys will ruthlessly attack anyone who says anything other than "androids are the best phones ever" or even slightly defends apple.
Hobash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only more self-righteous
DTGG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The similarity is definitely there. It's kind of sad how some people think they're part of an elite or a cool group and are in reality just victims of great marketing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tesla fanboys are probably worse. Worshipping Elon Musk (even after he says retarded stuff like his freshman-in-their-first-philosophy-class babble about all of us living in a computer game), not admitting any problem with Tesla willingly (like their reliability over time being so spotty Consumer Reports has downgraded the Model S to "not recommended"), etc.
Apple may be overpriced and not much of an innovator anymore, but they don't have serious technical problems with their products nor are they promising the moon and the stars before they've gotten off the Earth nor are they offering pre-orders for products that don't even have final prototypes yet. Etc.
I_EAT_POOP_AMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know so many broke college kids riding around in late 90s/early 2000s BMWs because they're dirt cheap second hand.
yakusokuN8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your facts are ruining my deeply seated emotional opinion! DOWNVOTE HIM!
Slimen93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what country you are in, but still see your point.
SCOTTGIANT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean... it's probably not why you got down voted but most new bmws start much higher than $35,000.
u_have_ASS_CANCER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, but BMW's bread and butter is the 3 series. The cheapest one is around 33k, while the 328i, which I believe is their most common model, is at 35k. Their cheapest crossovers ones are around 35 - 40k. When people think of BMW they might think of M3, M5, 7 series, but most of their sales do consist of their less expensive products. This is all for US market.
SCOTTGIANT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm I guess I didn't realize the new 3 series started so inexpensive. My buddy just took his 2010 3 series into the shop and got a diesel 5 series loaner. Just for curiosity sake he wanted to know the price and they told him slightly over 60k.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can buy a 3 series off lease for under 40k
DoctorPenisEnvy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My freind bought a 5 series for under 10k, but that was a NY winter car so take it with salt.
themittenstate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was looking through my comment history after I saw this post. The theme seems to be that if I say something stupid and obvious, I get tons of upvotes. If I ask a genuine question or try to answer for someone I get a bunch of downvotes. I don't understand Reddit.
naszoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Die Deustcheauto ist sehr gut!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Katze.
mfreels08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are the best. Gernan engineering, especially older models are great
MistyPower ยท 406 points ยท Posted at 15:16:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saw people talking about Emma Watson being in the Panama Papers. I first posted "I heard she wanted privacy, not to evade taxes." I got upvoted for that, but when after the guy I responded to called me gullible, I posted a link to a very informative article from Independent and said see for yourself. That got downvoted. That. Why? Was I somehow incredibly rude? I don't think so. Apparently these people don't like citations backing up claims.
[deleted] ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 16:25:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've definitely had times when someone asked for a source, I gave them a source, and then I got downvoted. What? Why?
StayPuffGoomba ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 19:38:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because your source supports your claim and they can no longer rationally disagree/dismiss it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:35:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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StayPuffGoomba ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 02:03:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Source
ProphePsyed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:09:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You asked for it, bud!
greedcrow ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 20:56:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because most people who ask for a source dont really want one. They want to prove you are BSing. When you provide a source they feel insulted since they were wrong. This leads to downvoting.
jhn107 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:00:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's part of the standard sequence --
Downvoter: There isn't a single source to back that up.
OP: Here's my source
Downvoter: You can't use that as a source. It's been debunked.
OP: Where's the source that debunks it?
Downvoter: So you don't have a source for your opinion after all
teh_mexirican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because fuck you, that's why.
[deleted] ยท 375 points ยท Posted at 16:20:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason for this is because your comment was getting upvoted, and people tend to upvote upvoted comments. The person you replied to downvoted your second comment. Other people browse the thread and see your comment downvoted, so they downvote it more. It is a chain reaction.
shouldbebabysitting ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 18:30:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that explains most of my posts. My unsourced opinions get upvoted and my follow-up sources for my opinion get downvoted.
OneGoodRib ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:56:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's because people don't like to leave reddit to go read something on another website? People don't like facts? I dunno.
IamWiddershins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can always backfill the same post with an addendum of sources instead. That goes over better anyway.
Xaxziminrax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hence why Unidan having alt accounts was shitty, but effective.
Something hits the rising list fast, it goes up the front page even faster
cantgetenoughsushi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it pisses me off when people post comments smearing peoples reputations or claiming so and so without a source, I get down voted for asking for a source.. I wasn't even disputing if what they said was true or not, I just wanted to know why they thought that way and if they had more context/proof.
jhn107 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:55:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Happens to me too. I thought it was because redditors don't like source documents.
Pizza_Delivery_Dog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:56:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I upvote downvoted comments when I feel like they don't deserve the downvotes
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
same. that is the reddit equivalency of picking up litter off the sidewalk and throwing it in the garbage.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:21:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've tested this quite a bit. I've started various accounts to upvote or downvote some of my posts and looked at the results. It is crazy what the hive mind is capable of.
Procrastinationer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:58:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And thus began the new Unidan
MarcelRED147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your score is still hidden so I don't know whether to upvote or downvote you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do the opposite. I downvote comments that have a lot of upvotes.
Sarcastically_immune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sheep.
That is all.
Anonymous_Liberal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Awake, sheeple!
ihatethesidebar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There still remains the question of why the second comment was downvoted in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:37:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Person 1: Eating apples are healthier than eating candy. +100
Person 2: Fuck u man I can eat whatever the fuck I want fuck your fruit. -50
Person 1: Okay go eat whatever you want but I will still eat apples. Person 2 proceeds to downvote Person 1 0 votes
Person 3 *thinking to himself: Hey this guy has 0 votes so his comment must be shitty. I will downvote him too.
*Person 4 *thinking to himself: Hey this guy has -1 votes so his comment must be shitty. I will downvote him too.
alander4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's why often times if I see a post with 0 I upvote it back to 1 to make sure it gets a fair chance and doesn't just go negative because the person who it was in response to didn't like it.
Arbaregni ยท -52 points ยท Posted at 16:53:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
At least for me, I won't upvote up voted comments, but I will downvote down voted comments.
Edit: looks like I have to downvote my comment now
PackersFan92 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Get this man some downvotes!
OwenTheTyley ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I downvoted, not because it's irrelevant or badly written ... but you were kinda asking for it :)
Arbaregni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you know what? At the end of the day, that's all the really matters.
RichtersMask ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:58:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, your comment was downvoted. Go time.
IRKittyz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:31:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, take my downvote then
dc972016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My downvote was entirely meta and had nothing to do with the quality of your comment. I love the internet.
Arbaregni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand. This is done for the greater good.
Alexjp127 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:00:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love those votes.
Arbaregni ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here! Have some. :)
Alexjp127 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh damn. That -2
Arbaregni ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:31:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that -38
Alexjp127 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:36:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol.
winch25 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:13:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People will downvote a relevant and well made point if they don't like it, or disagree with it.
chabaz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:38:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember this! I saw your post at -7 so did my part to up vote but the masses of the mundane just followed the hate bandwagon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People seem to find it hard to believe that someone would not want all of their personal earnings and property being a matter of public register...
WJPJR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Reddit. The more truth and reasoning you use, the more down votes you get.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying it's fair, but the Independent is not seen as a credible news source. And Emma Watson is obviously full of shit. She lies a lot. She's extremely dishonest. That shit about protecting her privacy is dog crap. She's been trying to avoid paying taxes, while telling everybody about equality, and do your part. Fuck that dishonest whore.
[deleted] ยท 903 points ยท Posted at 15:16:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Fuego_pants ยท 403 points ยท Posted at 21:00:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally picture a sullen 16 year old thinking "you don't know me" as he downvotes you.
steadyasthepenisdrum ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 22:16:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know me.
downvotes
Fuego_pants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So what's the etiquette, here? Do I upvote you because I think it's funny? Downvote because you downvote me? Ignore you because I'm too cool for you?
Dekar2401 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:33:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I'm stuck in am upvote/downvote quandary due to, say, someone presenting multiple points, some I agree with and some I don't, I just ignore in most cases.
jesonnier ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about, don't downvote something just because you don't agree w it.
Dekar2401 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:51:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know reddiquette but some things people are just so damn stupid my humanity causes me to be a bit irrational.
jesonnier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
PotassiumTriiodide ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:37:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
16 year old here.
You don't know me
upvoted
[deleted] ยท 571 points ยท Posted at 16:20:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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musclenugget92 ยท 667 points ยท Posted at 18:26:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because they don't realize they are fucking toddlers
Seibebetsu ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 18:38:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do hope they aren't.
dseakle ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 18:43:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, almost 23 and still feel like I don't know anything.
ggggtotalwarrior ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:06:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Found Jon Snow
dc972016 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:01:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being an adult for me is realizing that everyone is just winging it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MuzikPhreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, they're just acting like it with more certainty. When you get older, you start admitting you don't know everything.
Source: I was a teenager and now I have four teenagers.
ReadySteady_GO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know nothing /u/dseakle
Consanguineously ยท 203 points ยท Posted at 18:40:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I mean, I was a toddler for 18 years straight. Couldn't even speak or walk properly. But as soon as my 18th birthday came, the clock struck 12:01 and I was a full grown 6'7 adult!
Otterable ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 19:12:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big generalizations here
Typically high schoolers have an inflated sense of their own competence, which makes them seem very immature. Many think they are invincible, extremely intelligent, and can basically do anything (or any mixture of the three), without really doing any of the things they believe themselves to be capable of.
It isn't that they don't have the potential to be regarded as a mature adult, it's just that most don't have the experience or knowledge one would typically find in a mature adult, hence act and seem immature. Once high school kids go off to college and/or get a job they take on more responsibility and are viewed much more maturely.
ToySoldieriiV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true! most people I know will tell you how stupid they are!
steadyasthepenisdrum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 15 and I completely agree with this. I don't feel I am in any way an adult yet; sure, I can take care of myself and have a job, got myself into a good sixth form (UK), but I definitely don't have the experience or knowledge necessary to be regarded as an adult.
RothXQuasar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking as a high schooler here, I see these sorts of things all the time, I just think "Uh oh, am I like that?"
I hope not. Please tell me if I am if you see me anywhere else.
ShutUpHeExplained ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why this is the prime age for military service.
pyre_teh_god ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:29:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a high schooler, this is 100% accurate.
Every one of us thinks that they're a genius, some untapped talent with everything to accomplish. I try not to think like this, although its tough sometimes, but everyone grades 9-12 indulges in this fantasy.
thattransgirl161 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many know that.
greedcrow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:41:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most dont
thattransgirl161 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's unfair to generalise.
swigglediddle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's true
thattransgirl161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Prove it.
Gullsfan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/humblebrag
janedoethefirst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you're tall.
Consanguineously ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:51:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Scandinavian ancestry my dude
janedoethefirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's hot.
Consanguineously ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, Scandinavia is often cold.
GolemTheGnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wish I was you :p
Consanguineously ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I could have gotten a luckier ancestry. Vikings? Tall Nords that lived in the cold? That's badass.
GolemTheGnome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:17:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least your not a small German! ;p
sorrymydickbroke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just born 6'5 at age 20. I skipped the bullshit
today2day ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Wow so whiny and sensitive. Sounds like someone needs a nap!!"
Joking but still, who cares if people call you a toddler? That's like the most innocent insult.
KroegKind ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:03:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Hit the nail on the head/s
ThegreatPee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate summer reddit.
OkArmordillo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dadda?
ftgbhs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who's fucking toddlers? I certainly am not.
SuperDuckMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am teenager, can confirm.
soiledPlants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Heck, I'm a teenager but I'm still a toddler.
Bozzz1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Toddlers that can drive and gamble
i_have_a_semicolon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you were a teen, did you think you were a toddler?
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit.
I thought I was fucking a teenager this whole time.
But you're right.
Robert_Skywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am teenager, can confirm, we are basically taller toddlers, with worse language.
pyre_teh_god ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Am a teenager. Toddler at heart.
Valiante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure if they were, they'd notice.
Smogshaik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ba-bapadda-baddy-boo?
xXx_WeedBlzr_420_xXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I resent that!
Sucks on thumb
fabledgriff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:42:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a teenager, can confirm
Redgiant54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously downvoted.
DIY_Historian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:50:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Downvote
Gurchimo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't you missing the early bird special or something
I_EAT_POOP_AMA ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
I'm 25 and work with a 17 year old. He's a good kid but he has no idea what I'm talking about half the time when I start dropping references to things I grew up with.
Ahtobe_original ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed Reddit was full of mid 20's white guys
SoccorMom911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, 17 but also a toddler.
HanBalSwot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:08:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if you're protesting being compared to toddlers, throwing a tantrum isn't the best way to go about it.
Arcian_ ยท 102 points ยท Posted at 15:37:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, depending on how old you are they are probably hard to relate too. I've met plenty of high schoolers that acted like.. well.. children.
Also because i'm pretty sure you'd lose your job and whatnot.
Tybob51 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 16:43:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And most likely a statutory rape charge.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:55:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, acted like a child in high school
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, you still are a child in high school. You are until you're 18...
BitchinTechnology ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Highschool students are children. Even the 18 year olds are a child
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're basically a kid until you hit that point where the person primarily responsible for keeping you fed, clothed, housed, and up-to-date on your dental appointments is you. Even then it can take a while to get into the groove.
BitchinTechnology ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Usually 26ish
janedoethefirst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:33:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why are so many female teachers "falling in love" with their students?? I mean, I guess I get it from a psychological standpoint, they are fucked up and immature themselves and whatnot but omg gross. That one that was having sex with a 13 year old boy like every day? Ugh.
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 18:16:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also teach high school. They have little self control (outbursts during class), whine a lot ("why do we have to do work today miss?"), and I reward them with stickers and candy. And they fucking love it.
Big ass toddlers. I love them though. They let me tousle their hair and call them my babies.
TimtheBigDaddy ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 21:26:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's creepy and sweet at the same time. (Not trying to be mean, just felt like it should be said.)
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:09:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty much my life.
bornin2002 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember, think of them as toddlers, not adults. It becomes significantly less creepy then.
TimtheBigDaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thinks about it Yeah, that is less creepy.
Megs2606 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Creet? Sweepy?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:59:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most adults would love to be rewarded with stickers and candy too.
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:08:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I still love money.
ThegreatPee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's like that in the real world too, unfortunately.
nothing_in_my_mind ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:24:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The high schoolers of reddit struck you hard.
onioning ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:04:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You monster. How can you be so agist?
Maybe people thought that was the only reason? Like, if they didn't seem like toddlers you'd be all up in little Suzy?
Sheepdog20 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure a huge amount of people here are highschoolers or close. Probably reacted to being called toddlers.
zaphodsays ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:29:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You didnt get downvoted for saying you wouldnt have sex w a highschooler, you got downvoted for comparing highschoolers to toddlers on a site thats at least 1/3 under 18.
janedoethefirst ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:31:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those were the teen votes for sure. They don't like being reminded that they are still children. And let's face it, dating one is as gross as dating a toddler. Ew.
ThegreatPee ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:42:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most organisms are repulsive in their larval age.
flamingmarshmallows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was first learning how to drive, I remember an older lady telling me how as she got older, 16 year olds look so young that she's shocked to see these children behind the wheel. I was a little offended but understood it was a perspective thing. I don't see a problem with high schoolers banging other high schoolers (and they should be safe about it because the public education system should not fail them on this regard), but i do think that a 30, 40, and 50 year old should never reach below 18 even if it is legal.
Velix32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you think about the average age of a redditor it makes sense. Most redditors are young adults and comparing them to a toddler isn't the nicest way you could have put it.
Titan897 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a totally reasonable comment but it was probably just high schoolers offended by the age joke
dabosweeney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair that's super condescending
wordsworths_bitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is like 60% high schoolers.
WowZaPowah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the post is at 2 points now. What was it at previously?
1III1I1II1III1I1II ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol. Both your other comment and this comment deserve downvotes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:02:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When you tell your crowd they are basically toddlers they will of course downvote you.
MerleCorgi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i said to a kid attending a weekly event at my job (think pub video game night) something along the lines of "you look like all the other 12 year olds here"
to which he responded with a very offended tone, "excuse you, I am 13, not 12."
ok kid but you're still acting like a little shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally get what you say. I used to be a teacher in a French high school (students between 15 and 18 y-o). So physically speaking some still looked like children but some (especially girls) looked like adults. I had 16 y-o girls in my classes that looked like they could be 21+ (body + clothes + make-up); if I had met them outside of school I would have been completely fooled.
However, as soon as you talked to them you knew that they were only teenagers. Some were simply childish, but even those who were normal or mature, you immediately understood that they were not adults just by the way they talked.
So, even without the legal aspect, I would never have sex with a high schooler because they're like from another planet. I'm only 27 but talking to them made me feel so old and different.
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haloraptor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:35:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't really the point. The point is that to an older adult, the difference between a mature high schooler and an immature high schooler is very small. It is more often than not immediately apparent not because they don't conduct themselves appropriately, but because of countless other social and behavioral cues.
To older people, high school aged people are closer to children than to adults they want to have sexual and emotional relationships with. That is not to suggest that high school aged people aren't capable of maturity, complex thoughts, being interesting etc, just that they don't really pop out as candidates for sex/romance.
o11c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least you can make a top-level answer in this thread now ...
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[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:11:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/baseball is awful when it comes to downvotes. Kevin Pillar made another amazing diving catch recently and I commented "He wouldn't have to dive if he hustled more" sarcastically. I didn't add the /s because fuck the /s.
MaxYoung ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:19:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is a pretty pointless comment, though.
ersal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that thread. You were probably downvoted because there was someone in that thread seriously arguing that Pillar just makes "TV catches" as in slows down a bit and times it so he has to jump. Lots of people were arguing and downvoting to oblivion.
BuiltForGirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sub is a disaster. Everyone is way too serious and they all think they are junior-level GMs. I don't think most of them even enjoy baseball anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of them are way into stats. I'm a Mariners fan so I can only speak for those game threads but those are actually pretty fun. And it's hard to enjoy when someone breaks down every statistical aspect of a pitcher or hitter. I mostly go there for news or a post about a moonshot or a nasty curve ball.
FourO40 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that argument even makes sense.
Isn't diving like. The ultimate form of hustling. Or atleast a form of hustle.
Oberon_Swanson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The joke is that if he ran faster he wouldn't have to dive at the end. But he was being sarcastic because obviously he was hustling the maximum amount.
Anfernii ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:06:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, it is baseball.
tamufoiler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree! The problem I have with the sports world is that it's popular to be on the east and west coast while the "Middle" gets caught in the shit. Yeah, I get that an ocean is fucking cool but like look at other places and spread the wealth. Also, NYC is old, dirty, and cold af, why do you want to be there?
torturousvacuum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because of population distribution maps like this. Almost 50% of the US population lives within 50-100 miles of the coast. If you're looking to make money, which is what every business (including sports teams) is about, you want to hit as many fans as you can. That means targeting the east and west coasts as much as possible, because then you can target the most people for the fewest advertising dollars.
tamufoiler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that and it makes sense strategically from a business standpoint. I completely agree. I would still like to think that you can spread the wealth by putting it in highly populated areas in the middle too. It would just be nice to see a change of pace, change it up, make it more interesting. That's really the point I am getting at.
Sidenote: Funny how the thread is asking about unreasonably downvoted comments and mine was downvoted for an opinion. whatevs. Maybe i curse too much.
SCOTTGIANT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I could see this normally but I think the all star and the hr derby would do fine anywhere!
SCOTTGIANT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I support that! Has coors field ever gotten it? I'd love that!
BuiltForGirth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah in '98. Naturally, it was the highest scoring ASG in history: 13-8
SCOTTGIANT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah I would have been 4 at the time, that's why I don't remember.
Majike03 ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 17:19:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I called out a group of redditors (on r/sex I think) and said an 11 year old dating a 21 year old is pedophilia. Then they started doing ccomments about "age doesn't matter".
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lucille-hits ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 19:59:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if I get why a 21 year old would date 13 or 14.
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lucille-hits ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:05:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha.
FourO40 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:48:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all ratios.
It's not about age difference in my eyes.
A 17 year old and 13 year old together? Only 4 years but the ratio is much bigger than a 34 and a 30 year old.
BratEnder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:17:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
81-60 vs 26-5... story checks out.
Guitar46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I thought. Then I thought he was joking. Now I get it
neverbuythesun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:22:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm nearly 20 and I could never date a 14 year old or even consider it, not only because it's morally wrong and they're children but also because my brother is 14 and his friends are the biggest set of divs I've ever met.
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Majike03 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:56:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My (previously 13-years-old) ex cheated on me with a 20-year-old. It's intensely creepy... but she was really into beards.
I had a beard at 14, so I guess you could say beards were into her!
LexicanLuthor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:17:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that is both terrifying and illegal
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emanymdegnahc ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:50:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean legally it is, I guess. But it definitely isn't fine. It's insanely creepy and idiotic on the part of the 20 year olds...
drunkendisarray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:28:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nope not legal where I come from, you'd get charged with child grooming. Basically not sleeping with a child but getting yourself in a position to do so with plausible intent
ibbity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:42:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's easier to manipulate someone that young. Creepers who "date" children like the fact that kids are used to doing what adults tell them. They use that to get the child to do things and accept treatment that a person would not generally put up with who was old enough to have learned some independence and know what is and isn't normal in a relationship.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He means one 11, another 13 or 14
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're desperate. Only reason. Personally, I don't want to date anybody who's much more than a year or 2 younger than me because they usually appear immature.
loonybeans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:47:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they meant a 13 or 14 year old dating an 11 year old.
RomanticPanic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was 15 I was seeing someone (also 15) who's dad was 21 and mom was 13, when they had her (she was the oldest of 3)
Get dad is super trailer trash, WWE, Nascar, drinking on their front lawn with a kiddie pool etc. Mom was native American, really nice lady though
lucille-hits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like one big hot mess. When I was 13 I don't think I even kissed a boy yet. Mother of 3, geez!
RomanticPanic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair the next sibling was like 7 years younger than the girl I was dating. So I think the girl I was dating was the accident child.
Which just sounds horrible like you're the accident child of a 21 year old banging a 13 year old ugh
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a not inconsiderable number of pedophilia/jailbait apologists on Reddit. The admins may have cracked down on the official subreddits devoted to that kind of thing, but the users didn't all go away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
14 getting a little too old for you?
EDIT:Oooooh. Read a little further, I'm picking up what you're laying down
gamegeek1995 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I'm twenty one and tutored 16 year olds and thought they acted like children. That's just straight up mental illness and/or pedophilia.
Malaix ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:37:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Age dosnt matter after all parties involved are of legal age and capable of consent.*
Majike03 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:51:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered about those movies where there's an extreme age difference. Like if a 16-year-old was frozen for 200 years so is technically 216, but still "16" or a clone who pops out as a "20-year-old" can smash another adult dispite the clo e actually being like a week old.
Malaix ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:54:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well in those cases I would go by how mentally old they are. As in, the person who was frozen for 200 years at 16 years old would be essentially 16, they havent aged, they havent experienced or learned what we would consider enough to be an adult despite being ancient. Same thing for the clone depending on if the clone has a blank slate mind. If thats the case its an infant in an adult body, and clearly dosnt have the mental capability to consent and is very vulnerable to manipulation and so on.
Majike03 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I was expecting a pun or joke, but instead I got a very logical response. I like your take on that.
KizahdStenter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A 16 year old could have been in the army for two years 200 years ago, the navy for 4 or up to 10 years.
unicorn-jones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was one of (among about a thousand other things) that made Twilight so creepy. Biologically, yeah, the guy and the girl are both 16, but because he's immortal, he was actually like 120 or something. Dude, ew.
DemeaningSarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty bad with women. But I still got laid. The guy has had a century on earth and he's still a virgin? Dude c'mon.
nipplepotamus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya and prison is just a room
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:31:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically it's not pedophila. Fun fact, it's classified as pedophillia if the child is 10 or younger. Anything older gets a new word like hebephilia (11-14) and ephebophillia (15-19).
Congrats you are now an expert in classifying child diddlers.
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Majike03 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:03:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's either deep in my archives or from my anon account (r/sex typically isn't the place you want people finding out some more "personal" info about you); either way, it's a lot of effort to try to find.
riotzombie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:36:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to think age doesn't matter-- was 13 years old and totally smitten with a 24 year old guy I had met on World of Warcraft. It genuinely never occurred to me that video games were about the only thing we had in common, and that he was probably just humoring me because he knew I was a lonely teenager.
He's married now, but we're still friends-- I Skype in to a DnD game he runs at his shop every other week and we swap anecdotes about new games we've discovered since quitting WoW.
Haven't confirmed if he was just humoring me or if there was a genuine attraction. I'd rather just tell myself he was being nice.
Ironically, I ran into a High School guy on Elder Scrolls Online who seemed to have a budding crush on me-- or my character; who knows. I told him straight up that we were only friends and would only ever be friends.
Majike03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The current you will always see your past you as a learning experience (:
ProdigalSheep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe you.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Age definitely matters when one party is illegal...
jhn107 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:20:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The ten year rule doesn't apply until you're an adult. Geez
[deleted] ยท 416 points ยท Posted at 16:14:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
someone said that murder and torture should be allowed in children's books but not rape, and I disagreed and got downvoted to hell. The fuck?
Edit: I disagreed saying that NONE should be in a children's book, not that rape should. lol.
calvicstaff ยท 179 points ยท Posted at 20:06:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
but if you ARE gonna include the first two, might as well go all the way
MarcelRED147 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:55:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn right. Famous five would be a shit load more interesting.
politikamusic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:20:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you doing Uncle Quentin?!
PeanutHolder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, for real. What does this guy have against rape?!!
OneGoodRib ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 20:02:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My opinion on this issue differs by what is meant by "children's books". Like, absolutely I don't think we should see Emily raping, torturing, and then finally killing Clifford the Big Red Dog.
[deleted] ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 20:33:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a discussion about harry potter. People were talking about what could have happened to Dolores Umbridge when she was taken by the centaurs. People said that she was probably raped by them, but then others said that rape has no place in a children's book. I pointed out that people allow torture and murder to be in a "children's book" but draw the line at rape? Harry Potter isn't a children's book, it is rather graphic.
neverbuythesun ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 22:16:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, I think this might have been me. My stance was it was probably a bit far to have Umbridge raped simply because it would cast the heroes in a very different moral light if they sent off a woman to be raped and laughed about it though, not that it was too far for a kid's book.
Dekar2401 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 01:30:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Granted, they were kids and they may not have realized the centaurs would have done that. Even Hermione, who would have researched them, could have been mistaken due to say, language that used euphemisms and such regarding that topic.
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Dekar2401 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:11:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly my point.
drunkonredditaccount ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:00:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Violence is a pretty universal concept and is unavoidable for even young kids. Everyone is exposed to some form of it from a very young age, whether it's watching your cat kill a mouse or the neighbor kid throwing a rock at you. You are taught from a young age that violence is absolutely wrong unless as a last resort, and in the movies it is universally accompanied by the recipient visibly suffering. There is very little consequence to a child associating violence with suffering.
There is, however, a potentially confusing and harmful side effect of a child associating sex with violence, which is what rape is. My kid is going to see some violence in his formative years, and I'm okay with that, because I hope my kid will go on to lead a life relatively free of violence. But I absolutely do not want a rape scenario to be among his first exposures to the concept of sex. I want him to think of sex as sex, which is an enjoyable and passionate act. When he's old enough and mature enough to work out the intricacies of rape as a form of violence without it coloring his idea of everything sexual, then I'll be okay with him being exposed to it in literature.
I get that it's really easy to say "you'll let your kid watch movies where people get shot but god forbid they see a tit." But it's a little bit more nuanced than that.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's also a difference between boobs on the screen and a rape scene but okay.
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember the full detail but it wasn't coming from just harry potter, people were sourcing other things about centaurs in general.
ClF3FTW ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:53:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How exactly is Harry Potter a kids book? At least a quarter of the main characters get murdered in one book.
haloraptor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:24:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does death make something inappropriate for children? Death is a reality of life. Children live in the real world. Those themes are absolutely appropriate for children assuming they're handled in the right way, which is the case for Harry Potter. It's definitely 'for children', but that doesn't mean it doesn't include complex themes which resonate with adults.
Avatar: The Last Airbender deals with child soldiers, extreme nationalism and genocide. Are those themes suitable for children?
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haloraptor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, absolutely. Lots of family members thought my parents were wrong to let me attend my grandmother's funeral, but I don't think they were. I got to say goodbye, unlike with my grandfather who died in hospital and who I never saw between the last visit and his death (I didn't attend his funeral). Death is sad, but children can cope with death. You just have to deal with these things in the appropriate way.
broccolibush42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not that I disagree with you, I just agree with the guy on what defines HP as a children's book. When I think of a children's book, I think Dr. Seuss style books. I'd say that HP is catered towards young adult rather than children.
haloraptor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose it depends on what you define as a child, but even so Harry Potter is explicitly for children. It was published for children, and its content did get a bit darker to reflect the fact that its target audience grew up as it was being completed... but I'd say that 'young adult' is 16+, whereas HP is clearly intended to be from about 10 - 17. It's fun for everyone, but a broad appeal doesn't mean it isn't still a children's series. Or that it isn't good, or literature, or whatever other negative connotations being 'for children' might have.
blastedt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:00:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It depends on which book. In my opinion the books work best when you age with them. HP1 is certainly a kid's book at least. Try giving your kid one a year and see how they feel about it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I'm saying :l
ClF3FTW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so why did they say rape was not allowed in it?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ClF3FTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rated PG-13.
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:44:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you generally start reading them by around the age of 6?
Sawses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I saw that thread. Was it recent?
And... Well, /u/calvicstaff is right... Might as well go all the way with the brutality. Especially with Umbridge.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah it was
spacecanucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's because the characters who are 'good' are the ones who basically cause it to happen. It'd be a bit different if it was Voldemort or one of the more grey characters, like Snape. She might have been awful but it almost portrays it as deserved. These are the same good guys who refuse to use violent spells and insist on Disarming rather than killing.
Philofelinist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Potter is a kid's book that adults also enjoy.
I don't have a problem with violence and torture in a kid's book so long as it's not gratuitous. I was a prolific reader and stories like those from The Grimm Brothers had murder and torture galore yet are for children. Characters can 'deserve' to be killed and tortured and the innocents are collateral damage. But rape is immoral and inexcusable. And it leads to confusion about sexuality if it's casually excused. And really unnecessary in a children's book.
I really hope that Umbridge wasn't raped. You see people taking satisfaction in her 'punishment'.
PokeZillaX3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But, I mean, it wasn't directly stated. Older audiences would assume that (and would maybe be right. I read a thread like this and someone said that it was apparently a part of centaur mythology) but children would think she got beaten up. Plus there's a lot of fucked up children's books. Most things just fly right past their heads and then as adults, you have that "Ohhh" moment.
steadyasthepenisdrum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:05:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. But if she tortured, killed, and then raped Clifford, that would be okay, right?
IcebergGlaceon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oo, adding in some necrophilia. Should definitely let the kids know some new tricks.
ihatethesidebar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well why not? Explain your position good sir.
ErnestScaredStupid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you've read my fan fiction?
simuove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that's certainly one opinion.
MarcelRED147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a crack fic. It's probably out there on the tubes of the interwebs already.
kjata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But any other order is fine? YOU MONSTER! /s
BadgersForChange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, I wanna see that
Piemasterjelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would not be adverse to Caillou encountering Leatherface
astrobeans ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 20:50:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a pretty crucial edit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Why of course you should, you innocent idiots!"
arcanum7123 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:38:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read the original Grimm's fairy tales, children's books can be good with violence
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't directed to children though, they were later adapted towards children
Pizza_Delivery_Dog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen/read teen/tween books with rape in them. Or at least sexual abuse. Dutch books are fucking brutal
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So do you think that Scar murdering Mufasa was unfit for children to see?
greedcrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:00:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is it wrong that i feel like they should all be allowed? When i was a kid i had a book with the original fairy tails (the fucked up ones) and it never bothered me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes, it is wrong.
Dvolt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Isn't every book a children's book if the child can read?"
TanksAllFoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before I got to the edit *Jesus, is cartman writing the book?"
a_link_to_the_passed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was this in that Harry Potter thread by any chance.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4mik28/what_fictional_character_do_you_despise_the_most/d3vzmy3
If tl;dr here are the most noteworthy comments:
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a_link_to_the_passed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember, yeah that was the thread I was thinking. I agreed with your overall point but thought you didn't present it very well, and also thought you were responding like an immature asshole.
Your first comment was super sarcastic, already making people less inclined to listen.
Then, completely unprovoked, you responded to someone with:
Like damn chill the fuck out. I agreed with you but I also definitely disliked you there. You continued on with the insults after that, but in your defense (and this is a super weak defense since you started it) people were insulting you right back.
There are much more important things in a debate/argument than being correct at the start.
SosX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember you, I said you were right, and got dowvoted too.
LordCrow1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait was that yesterday? Cause I saw someone saying just that.
crazed3raser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did that happen to be the harry potter one where people were debating whether or not Umbridge got raped by the centaurs?
Diabetesh ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If murder and torture get to be in childrens books so should rape. Equal opportunity.
ten_inch_pianist ยท 413 points ยท Posted at 14:17:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that I "didn't love" Fallout 4. Not that I hated it, not that it was a bad game, I just "didn't love it".
[deleted] ยท 188 points ยท Posted at 14:57:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of that guy who refused to go out with a girl because she didn't 'love' LotR.
slapdashbr ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 15:09:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man if that's his criteria, that's his criteria. Maybe he won't die alone
[deleted] ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 15:30:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect he rolls his die alone.
[deleted] ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 18:45:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
critical fail
666666t ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:30:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1
BratEnder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:21:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...is the loneliest number.
Commando388 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:16:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a shitty way to play DnD. At least get yourself a GM.
CT2169 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*criterium
fantabularistical ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:32:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
*criterion
CT2169 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. Now I must kill myself.
slapdashbr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I talk n write real good
KnightInDulledArmor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is The Lord of the Rings......
But seriously, I'm a pretty big LotR nerd and would only have a problem if she hated it down to her cold, steely heart because at that point we will probably have greater issues to worry about.
Seal3824 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty much the same. If they at least accept and tolerate that the books/movies/random stuff on the internet will take up at least 50% of my time, that's fine. But if they can't, no. No me for you.
ftgbhs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU USE SPACES INSTEAD OF TABS?
SuperSmashBrosPele ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit did we go meta.
BigBobbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I always feel like I have to tread cautiously when I'm on a date and the girl says she loves something I really dislike. Like, how do I share my honest opinion without coming across as a dick?
Yet, girls with bad tastes in entertainment also seem to be pretty insecure, so I guess it balances itself out.
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ok with someone that doesn't love it but even my female friends told me my ex saying she hated LotR (and had never seen star wars) should have been a sign not to date her.
ratchet457l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he should go out with this "girl"
[deleted] ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:33:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. The vogue position on Reddit now is to shit on it relentlessly.
send_me_kinky_nudes ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:33:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because he was lukewarm about it. People only respond well to radical viewpoints on here because they're easier to argue/agree with.
Pishwi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:13:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they thought he was being too kind on it
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like Fallout. In general. If I posted that, I would get downvoted, but posting I don't like Fallout 4, a game that sold well and got great reviews, is upvote material?
crazed3raser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not on /r/fo4
FlamingWings ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 15:12:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because you didn't say you absolutely hated it and that Bethesda destroyed the meaning of the rp in rpg and that the fallout series is officially dead
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:36:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I look at it this way.
Fallout 4 was a good RPG game, but it was a terrible Fallout game
FlamingWings ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:42:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the spirit. No go make that a meme and reap the karma off /r/gaming
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:05:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget to praise Witcher 3.
lord_gaben3000 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:00:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And say how they make DLCS that are games while other devs make DLC for games.
ceetc ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:06:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a good open world shooter, but a terrible RPG and Fallout game.
CooperArt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good way to look at it, honestly. I think the game had a great story. It was beautifully done, touching. It was heartwrenching, honestly. It had the Fallout Touches to it--with the terminals, the teddy bears reading newspapers on toilets, ect--but it lacked the atmosphere. The sarcastic dialogue option was fun 99% of the time, though I hated that doing it on a replay made my last words to a guy I knew was gonna die a serious asshole thing to say.
And I wasn't too mad about the lack of choices because I've never attempted an "evil" run. I was basically going to play it how they railroaded (pun?) players into playing it. I was their ideal player.
Maxaalling ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:41:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The story was great? How? It had a billion plotholes, and the characters you were supposed to care for had zero development.
CooperArt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You want to list some plotholes?
As for development, I felt they were developed fairly fine. To my satisfaction. That's subjective.
Maxaalling ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:24:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a lot, but this guy explains it much better than I ever could:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A34poZ6paGs&list=LL7Y6Pd6EnVOI8kzMK8WOP_w&index=65
Of course it's long as fuck, and I don't expect you to watch it, but he thoroughly explains issues with the story and the environment. It's just classic Bethesda writing in the end. What he voices a lot of issues with, is the consistency of logic to any of the actions the game just expects you to do. E.g. how the game just expects you to know who's the bad guy and good guy, even after you've been frozen for 200 years. You're not even allowed to question any of this, the game just expects you to go with the flow.
Edit: A lot of the games progress in plot revolves around impossible details. The only thing you know of the kidnapper, is he is bald and scarred. You don't know how long ago it was nor if he's even alive anymore. Yet Nick Valentines secret lead to Kelogg is based off of the description "he's bald and has a scar over his eye". They both are determined it is the correct kidnapper and yes, they were right. This made no sense and quite frankly is lazy writing.
haloraptor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair Kellogg recently lived in Diamond City, and Nick even says that he had been investigating him beforehand. Like, Nick was literally only investigating Kellogg a few weeks ago, and then a cryogenically frozen guy comes to see him and says "This guy who looks like a guy you were investigating stole my infant son." Well, he was cryogenically frozen, and Kellogg had a ten year old kid with him....... It's reasonably far-fetched but not impossible. I agree with you in general though.
Maxaalling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was over 60 years ago since the kidnapping however, even 10 years would be improbable.
Your argument makes sense, but it still is clearly just meant to let the story keep running.
This was just one of many plotholes.
haloraptor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but the fact that it was 60 years since the kidnapping is irrelevant because of the cryogenic storage. The sequence of events fits nicely and logically to the Sole Survivor whose subjective experience is that A) the world ended B) his wife died and his son got kidnapped C) he woke up in the future over the course of a normal Tuesday morning. It's literally all happened in less than a day for him.
Factor in the low population density of the Commonwealth, the reasonably small area Kellogg has been active in for sixty years, the fact that Shaun wanted the Sole Survivor to find him, and you've got a perfect storm. There are only three major factions in the Commonwealth pre-BoS arriving, and only the Institute would have kidnapped a baby from cryo... and it's a reasonable assumption for Nick to make that Kellogg works for the Institute, given the stories surrounding him.
Also the objection of "just meant to let the story keep running" isn't a valid criticism IMO. Of course the details of the story are meant to let the story keep running. That's the point of the details of the story.
Maxaalling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's not irrelevant. Your son got kidnapped 60 years ago, the world changes drastically in 60 years. 60 years ago, WW2 had just ended to put it a bit in perspective. He might not even be alive for all you know or even be in The Commonwealth. Yet a vague description such as "a bald guy with a scar" is what leads you directly to a 60 year old kidnapping? Not any further investigation or even slight uncertainty to whether or not he is the kidnapper?
You can't see the issue with this as a logical solution to the plot? I would also not rely on how many people are inside the cities to tell how many citizen live there, the lore and gameplay numbers are completely different numbers. This is a classic issue from any Fallout game. New Vegas had the same issue, where it was supposed to represent several thousands, but it only got off with a few hundred.
I will take your argument for it not being a valid criticism to account though. I will rephrase it to "just meant to let the story keep running with no concerns for suspension of disbelief or reason within the confines of the universe".
It's not just this that is an issue. It's also the entire idea behind the kidnapping of Shaun: he was kidnapped because he had not been exposed to the radiation of the Great War. Alright. But why didn't they go to the other close off Vault? Or killed the mother? Or unfreeze the rest of the cryogenic frozen dwellers?
Or how in the memorials of Kelogg, he refers to the guy who orders him to kidnap Shaun as "the Father" and he asks himself if he outsmarted him in the end. So Kellogg is taking orders from non-grownup Shaun here... or is he referring to a second Father? This makes no sense either, as The Father is only called as such, because he is the DNA-father to all Synths. Here's a plothole in the timeline too.
Whether or not you want to defend Bethesda's writing is up to you, but it's clear they have had limited concerns for suspension of disbelief or even just a logical plot.
haloraptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kellogg has been active in the Commonwealth for at least 60 years. Probably more because he was already working for the Institute 60 years ago, and he didn't get there by being an unknown quantity. He has a specific MO, which Nick knows about, and a distinctive appearance.
I'm actually going off the lore here, not the in game representation of the Commonwealth. Population density is going to be lower than it is RL today. It's going to be lower than it was the day the bombs dropped. Population density isn't going to have skyrocketed in the time since either, because of the sharp increase in levels of risk everywhere. Infection, childbirth, raiders, crazy irradiated monsters... My point is that in the Commonwealth we're dealing with a much smaller population. There's a guy who's been active for the last 60 years doing all sorts of twisted, crazy shit for an employer reasonably assumed to be the Institute. He looks like the guy who kidnapped your son, and this guy could have done this literally any time in the last 210 years. But probably in the last 60 years given what Nick is implied to know about him. It's a lead worth following even if it is tenuous because it's the only lead the SS has.
I do agree that there could have been a bit more searching, but it isn't a completely illogical series of events. It's improbable, but plotlines of games/stories/films generally don't conform to the most plausible sequence of events. It's regrettable that Bethesda decided to streamline the process of finding Kellogg/his identity though.
They wanted Shaun because he was the closest thing available to a pre-war newborn baby. That's important because he wouldn't have accumulated a bunch of mutations/DNA damage over the course of a normal lifetime (like any of the adults in the Vault), and because being inside a Vault and then inside a cryopod means that he was even further insulated from any alterations to his DNA. He was as close to a perfect genetic sample as possible. It's stated in game that even people living in Vaults and in the Institute were unsuitable for this purpose, that's why Vault 111 was a great find for them. Kellogg says he killed the non-player parent because it was 'better that way', so they didn't have to live with the loss of their child (and he had orders to let the SS live to serve as a back up just in case).
Killing the people in storage was just a dick move made by the previous Director I guess, no less dickish than kidnapping people to turn them into super mutants to research FEV.
Maxaalling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:37:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and there the entire plot falls apart. Even Kelogg was unsure of why not to take the rest, he says so ingame.
There was no specific reason to pick the baby, it just had to not have been exposed to the radiation of The Great War, which all of the cryogenically frozen dwellers were not.
CooperArt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it's not the greatest story of all time, I'll admit it. What I like about the story:
Compared to Fallout New Vegas (everyone's comparison point for this game) the story has a much more logical start point. NV only works if your character is motivated by a strong sense of revenge and curiosity that overwhelms their sense of self-preservation. That took out some roleplaying choices for me. (I had no problem with 3s starting point, and I struggle to get my computer to run 2, so I've only played three minutes or so.)
The companions were all carefully hand-picked to be like your player character. None of these guys fit in, and most, if not all, are straight-up ostracized by basically everyone. It's the Merry Band of Misfits.
So the story has always made emotional sense to me, which has motivated me to raise the "yup, I'll suspend my disbelief for that" flag. It's fine that you weren't.
Maxaalling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's both the strong and weak point of NV's story. It allowed for your character to simply not care about the mainstory, but it didn't make much room for different emotional reasons to follow Benny.
As for FO4 at least, I just didn't get any emotional relation to the protagonists family and their deaths, because I had seen them for a good five minutes at most, and the fact that I knew we were jumping ahead in time and space would leave little reason for me, as the player, to believe your son was still around.
Maxaalling ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How was it a good RPG either? It was a terrible Fallout game and bad RPG. It was a good wasteland shoot-n-loot though, more like Borderlands than classic Fallout.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. It was a good RPG in my book. I liked its once it was my first fallout. Went back and played the others
Maxaalling ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it was hardly even an RPG in the first place, since it didn't allow for roleplaying.
I'm being extremely unreasonable, but Fallout 4 was not a good RPG in any sense. Just compare the choices you have with New Vegas, hell even Fallout 3, which had problems with choices itself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah 3 and New Vegas were Waaaay better, but I mean I still enjoyed FO4, I feel like I got my money's worth, and especially with the DLC That's out right now
Bozzz1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:38:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a terrible RPG game though, there was little to no role playing to be had. It was a good action shooter but they went in the opposite direction of the RPG genre for this one.
IDrinkUrMilksteak ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:04:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the cycle will repeat with fallout 5 and everyone will lament the good old days of fallout 4.
Dexaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Only allowed to have one extreme opinion or the other on Reddit, no middle ground wishy-washy waffling allowed
NathVanDodoEgg ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had the opposite thing, in r/gaming I said that I enjoyed Fallout 4 and thought it was a good RPG. Got downvoted significantly and repeatedly told that "it isn't an RPG, it's an action game". That's pretty much what drove me to r/gamingcirclejerk.
XEV4NX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll explain why I personally think its a bad RPG but not necessarily a bad game.
Most of the speech options have no real meaning. They're short snippets that tell you what type of thing your guy is going to say, which is counter-intuitive to a roleplay experience. It pretty much forces the player down the path that the game has chosen since most speech options lead to the same outcome.
In previous FOs, you could do bad shit for the fun of doing bad shit and have your character be completely open about being an asshole. In FO4 your character pretty much always believes he's doing the right thing, which makes the SS feel boring and unrealistic.
In NV especially, you decided who your character was, you decided their background, what their personality was and who they were as a person, this added massive replay value. In FO4 the game has already decided all that for you and tells you to continue the story, not start your own.
RedDeadRevengeance ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 01:17:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that's nice and all but he didn't ask
XEV4NX ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:18:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure he's more than capable of speaking for himself.
In the meanwhile you should work on being able to speak for yourself and only yourself.
RedDeadRevengeance ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 01:31:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you sure showed me
Simmons_M8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:20:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, you were just absolutley rekt.
RedDeadRevengeance ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not really
Simmons_M8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:06:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
R E K T
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Unlucky_Clover ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Reminds me when I said I didn't care for Witcher 3 with my opinion on certain aspects of the game. Nope, people seriously love that game and don't like people with opinions.
Edit: I've played the entire game.
Findable_Pen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On the topic of F4. On the /r/fallout subreddit I was downvoted for making a joke about bows being loud. I wasn't wrong but I had the fucking audacity to not mention bow silencers.
mitchell271 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similar thing happened to me. Got a bunch of downvotes for saying something like, "I'm happy I played I, but I don't think I'll ever play it again because I was bored by the end of it."
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that ~ November through January was karma suicide, but the tide pretty much turned against FO4 for the most part
Ehvasion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit doesn't take kindly to litotes
grumpnotso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it r/fallout? There was a strong anti-jerk for any criticism of Fallout 4 for a while there.
_2006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OMFG, I said fallout 3 is better then Fallout NV and I got hit by a firing range
Ahtobe_original ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I played two hours and returned it to redbox. It was boring. To be fair, I just don't have the time to invest in long games anymore. Rocket league!
TheNerevar89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On an old account I mentioned in a thread that I I didn't enjoy There Will Be Blood but recognized it as a good movie. Within the pile of down down votes was one user so offended that he harassed me a few times and went through my post history to down vote everything I ever posted because my "opinion was invalid". I felt safer to just make a new account.
DuckDuckBoson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cool it, Stalin.
Robert_Skywalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/PCMasterrace or /r/Gaming?
Konvexen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, compared to New Vegas...
ZingerFinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I don't like any of the Fallout games. I feel so alienated in that thought, they just bore me :/
yoloqueuesf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sad. really sad.
tcw1 ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 14:15:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In r/politics I posted something sarcastic about a county clerk in Wisconsin that said that there is too much voting access for "Milwaukee voters," but I forgot to put /s and people took me literally.
Pjman87 ยท 328 points ยท Posted at 17:29:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Stop right there, that was your first mistake.
Edit: a word
Dontlagmebro ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 20:26:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But if he stops right there then yoda he sounds like.
fireork12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUNNNNYYYYYY JOKE
Tukipi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
get outta here Game Grumps!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even thinking about r/politics is a mistake.
fireork12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like the game
DrMonkeyLove ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That has got to be the most ignorant and naive sub ever.
tcw1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True
Janitarium ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:40:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I discovered the hard way that Milwaukee in general doesn't have much of a sense of humor.
Manleather ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pronounced 'Mill-e-wah-que', and it's Algonquin for 'the good land.'
Chr15py0696 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 15:58:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does this guy know how to party or what?
DrumGuitarGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WE'RE NOT WORTHY, WE'RE NOT WORTHY
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ain't no party like a man leather party cause... Nevermind
PoliticalLava ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:56:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Wisconsin. It is pronounced mill-wau-kee and is the name of a city.
IncredibleHubRoc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was not aware of that
Shoeboxer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's right Pete, it is. What I find most interesting about Milwaukie is that it's the only American city to have elected three socialist mayors.
TheRealTedHornsby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
MKE-Soccer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like you have a story. Go on...
Janitarium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:56:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have to go back through my comments, but that particular day, reddit did NOT appreciate a joke I made about Milwaukee. Plus people there are kinda dickish on the whole, like Chicago only a smaller version. Funny thing is, I don't really mind Milwaukee. It's got a lot of good stuff worth doing, and MY GOD, the food.
666666t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lived my entire life within 20 miles of Milwaukee, often visited my cousin who lived there, so i must ask, what part of milwaukee are you talking about?
Janitarium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was mostly referring to the few times I make jokes at Milwaukee's expense here on reddit. I usually get downvoted to oblivion, lol. On the whole I don't mind Milwaukee. The Mayfair and Brookfield malls are my favorites, the food is fantastic, Miller Park is a great venue, and they have a great repertory company. Great place to visit, wouldn't want to live there kinda place
janedoethefirst ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:35:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never put /s. I think it is fun to see if people think I am serious...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OOH. That's why you proofread at least twice.
Titan897 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does /s mean?
tcw1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sarcasm
Titan897 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks makes sense
d0mth0ma5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, "end of sarcasm".
A_Russian_Otter ยท 172 points ยท Posted at 15:24:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In /r/gaming someone had asked a question about games at GameStop. So I told them that when I worked there, we had to take new games out of the case, put them in a sleeve and then put the case on the new game shelf. Thus keeping the opened and UNPLAYED/UNUSED game as new. That was not popular.
Edit: Thus > this.
Sheepdog20 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 19:13:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just have a display box on the shelf and unopened boxes in your desk/storeroom? I gotta agree that if I buy a new thing, I want the seal on it. Is it a storage issue?
A_Russian_Otter ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:29:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So we had to open at least one to put the case on the shelf. And if it's a popular game, every now and again it'll sell out of the unopened copies and we'd have to sell the one on the shelf. We weren't given extra display boxes for the shelf sadly.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TrustedRuin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:03:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They put a little sticker thing over the opening. So if the sticker isn't broken you can still return it.
Sheepdog20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh just one box. Sorry, I don't shop there, thanks for clarifying. That is completely reasonable. One person's not going to care, sell it to him.
A_Russian_Otter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No worries, thanks for understanding! #theonepercent
robmox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly what they do. Source: Managed a Gamestop in 2005.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 18:05:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair, when I get a game from Gamestop I expect it to still have the shrinkwrap on it
Nerrickk ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:13:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it doesn't have shrink wrap it loses the new game smell =( you all know what I'm talking about.
aricberg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:40:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still holding out hope we get that as a Yankee Candle someday. A man can dream I suppose...
A_Russian_Otter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally get it, I'm not defending their choice, I'm just saying that's what we had to do.
I almost wish they made a car scent that was similar to new game smell
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
weirdly, i do
Iron-Knuckle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at EB Games, the Australian equivalent of GameStop. When new games came out, we would open 6 (putting the unused discs in protective sleeves, then in shelves) to be displayed. So general customers could see that we were selling the game.
The rest of the 20-200 copies (depending on the popularity of the title) stayed in their shrink wrap in the back room. If someone brought a "display copy" to the counter to buy, you were supposed to go get an unopened copy from the back room, but that didn't always happen.
thedaj ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:34:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Which is fine, if you grasp the fact that the information given was relevant to the conversation, as that's what the up and downvote options are for. Nobody gives a fuck how you like your video games, unless the post is specifically asking how you like your video games.
A_Russian_Otter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I totally get that, the feeling of taking the shrink wrap off is unparalleled. We can totally see if another nearby store has one that's unopened.
Granted it'd be shitty to go from one place to another. But hey, if you want to take that shrink wrap off..;)
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a PC gamer I'd be pissed about the cd key being compromised.
A_Russian_Otter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand, but we weren't (I don't work there anymore) dumb enough to put the code out for anyone to take. It was safely locked away :)
Ahtobe_original ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:49:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's a sore spot for people. I travelled to the US in 2005 for 3 months. I had saved up a few grand to buy stuff in the states. Long story short, I bought a bunch of "new" games at GameStop and shipped them back home. They were used and scratched so badly, they did not function when I got back to Africa.
Not sure if you have ever tried to call GameStop from shithole Africa, but nothing happens if you do.
Leet_Noob ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:49:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This reminds me of Apple fanboys who were pissed when, upon buying one of the new iPhones, the cashier would unbox it and help them set it up. Some people take unboxing new shit very seriously.
Ran4 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:53:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a perfectly valid opinion to have.
terraphantm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. It's the main reason I prefer to buy them online rather than at the store.
Taximan20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they believed you because your name is Russian!
A_Russian_Otter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Couldn't be the fact that I'm an otter (which more than makes up for the Russian)
janedoethefirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that a big deal? In case shady places try to pass of used games as new or something?
A_Russian_Otter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno! We keep new and used games in totally separate areas and what not.
funkymunniez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because when people buy things, unless they are specifically looking for open box items, they want brand new in box, still sealed. It doesn't matter how much vouching for quality someone does, you can't prove that something didn't fuck up the product when you removed it from it's case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then again, I've had bad experiences that way. A Gamestop employee once said that the new disc for a game was more damaged than the used one...
A_Russian_Otter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there can be a lot of shitty people at GameStop. Same as any other place. I hope you brought the manager in on that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just bought used. They told me before I bought it, but now I tend to not buy new at any Gamestop because of that.
A_Russian_Otter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get that. It's a shame to blacklist a place because of that, but whatever tickles your pickle
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I never bought much new stuff from Gamestop because it was cheaper other places. Besides, most of the games I'm buying these days are used or digital, so Gamestop is still getting my money sometimes.
ratchet457l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/gaming has some very stupid users.
Source: Been downvoted to oblivion for asking questions.
rattfink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You worked for GameStop, so obviously you are personally responsible for their corporate policy.
[deleted] ยท 317 points ยท Posted at 16:14:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I can't wait to have a glass of wine in a month". Choosing not to drink during pregnancy and breastfeeding is my decision, not an attack on yours Internet stranger. The down votes are annoying, but what's worse is the 50 comments from other mums letting me know that some drinking is okay or linking me to articles, like I'm some simpleton who has never realised that there has been articles written about this topic. I've heard of using the Internet for information before, guys. I just made this choice for myself and it isn't a judgment on you.
yolafaml ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 17:17:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Going by the user name, it may already be too late for the kid...
[deleted] ยท 197 points ยท Posted at 19:59:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Joffrey is my dog. His hair is fair and his parents were related, so it seemed fitting.
TyrannosaurusRen ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 20:40:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is he a vicious little cunt?
[deleted] ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 20:41:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Occasionally
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:54:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if Cersei is the mom dog and Jaime is the dad dog and Joffrey is the dog...
You must be Olenna Tyrell! Your son is destined to be gay.
EDIT: And your daughter is destined to sleep with your dog...
EDIT2: At least for a brief time before it's poisoned.
ShinyMew151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Um... Olena is Loras' grandmother
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:18:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well... My comment is so dumb already that I might as well leave it.
ShinyMew151 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just like Olenna's son
saltporksuit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:41:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't give your dog a crossbow.
kjata ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would presume he's a right son of a bitch.
vanitysaddiction ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pics or it didn't happen.
neverbuythesun ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 22:12:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I probably wouldn't take the risk of drinking (or smoking, as I've seen people comment on) whilst pregnant. Better to be safe than sorry.
ressis74 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:25:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the sound of jackhammers?
lucybluth ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 22:36:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. It's one thing if those women choose to have a drink or two while pregnant but to actively shame other women for NOT drinking while pregnant? That's just another level of infuriating.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:39:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't even call it shaming so much as it is patronising
unicorn-jones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:30:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of it, IMO, is rooted in insecurity. In the '80s and '90s ladies were told that YOU CANNOT DRINK AT ALL EVEN A TINY MOUTHFUL while pregnant or breastfeeding. Like most drug-related fears in that era, it turned out to be overblown--a drink here or there is totally fine. But there's still that little voice in the back of our heads.... so they want to convince OP that having a little drink isn't bad, to reassure themselves that it isn't bad.
mama_jackalope ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:46:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good lord I know this feeling. Not for that exact reason, but it's to the point where I've outright lied to some mums about what I do with my daughter so they don't think I'm attacking their parenting somehow. Sigh.
Shadowex3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:17:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you really want to piss off a group of moms with too much time on their hands let your husband start talking about parenting around them.
Holy shit that pisses people off. It's like Warhammer 40k.
ibbity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why tho
like, what is so offensive about a dad talking about dad stuff
Shadowex3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I could answer that I could probably make a lot of money selling books on the subject. It's probably tied to the same line of thinking that leads to people asking dads if they're "babysitting" whenever they're out with the kids.
fileplastictrees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:25:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call it the self-righteousness of parenthood. My theory is simple and goes: If you want to be a good parent you have to believe what you're doing is best for your child. Obviously if it's best for your child, it's best for all children. Thus others are wrong and must follow your way of raising the child.
StrawberryR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:06:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(thanks for not drinking while pregnant. I've seen so much crazy bullshit about women drinking while pregnant lately that it was making me lose faith in humanity.)
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:32:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's kind of like 9/11 truthers and anti-vaxers. You can't fix stupid
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:29:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
To quote the large group of reddit mums who commented: IT IS SAFE TO HAVE ONE DRINK
Maybe it is. Jury is still out on that one though. I'd rather not.
Fuego_pants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of my friends drank during their third trimester. To me, it's not worth the risk. I drink while breastfeeding, but reasonably. However, you do you. It sucks that other moms are so judgy. It's a constant barrage of info being a mom. It can get very annoying.
ArgyIeGargoyIe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not though
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because you should totally disregard your doctor's advice and what you're comfortable with in favor of what some Internet strangers are telling you to do.
They must really be uncomfortable with their decisions to defend it so much without it having been attacked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I held off drinking any alcohol while pregnant also. I also drastically altered my diet to cut out sugar and junk food to make sure my baby was getting all the proper nutrition.
..until 3rd trimester where I needed canned peaches, lime juice, and fast food. That was an interesting time. Now the thought of a big mac, peaches, and lime juice as a meal makes me cringe in disgust. But at the time, it was the best thing ever. I have never actually enjoyed a meal so much that it made me giddy each time. Pregnancy hormones are strange that way.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with lime juice?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing's wrong with lime juice. But when combined with peaches and a big mac, it's a pretty awkward combination.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh ok, I thought you were saying that lime juice is unhealthy
allgoaton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Although there is a lot of anecdata about a drink here and there being perfectly safe, because it is not ethical to do human studies on alcohol and pregnancy, it is not known how much alcohol is damaging at what points during pregnancy. There is no known proven safe amount of alcohol during pregnancy. Not worth the risk -- you made the right choice.
TeaTeaAndCoffee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know exactly what you are talking about! For me, I'm not comfortable with the risk, but also pregnancy makes the smell and taste of alcohol unappealing. I want to enjoy a beer as I used to, and I simply can't do that in pregnancy. Much the same way as I lost my taste for chocolate. But this somehow makes me an ignorant paranoid teetotaler who is judging everyone.
Malaix ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 19:28:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I made a comment awhile ago that people should be worried about overusing antibiotics because misusing medicine is developing super bugs that are immune at a faster pace then we can create new medicine. And that this may make even simple surgeries quite risky in the future since cutting people open can be dangerous if you can't keep the incisions from getting infected.
Apparently there are a lot of people who think that is senseless fear mongering and that its fine to take an assload of antibiotics everytime you get a sniffle and you only take half doses of prescriptions and so on.
This is in opposition to the WHO, the CDC
To be fair I didn't cite them directly and apparently people were too lazy to google this, so I stuck the direct links in the post and the votes went from something like -70 to +200 or something. It was the craziest swing in votes I'd ever seen on one of my posts. I really thought this was common knowledge and not a controversial thought at all.
Maybe I just posted it when all the conspiracy nuts were up and then all the sane people woke up later.
BulletWontHarmadillo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess if it was common knowledge it wouldn't be as big of a problem.
*have an upvote
Ohrion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:38:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought this was common knowledge by now... :(
ShotsGotFired ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 20:32:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once pointed out someone for lying about their autistic son. I searched through their post history and they repeatedly said they were about 16 years old. They got about 2.7 k upvoted for an insensitive lie.
o11c ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:23:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there are a lot of 16-year-old parents ...
ShotsGotFired ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:42:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With 6 year old sons...
o11c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:44:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC the guinness world record for youngest mother is 10 or 11, and that sort of thing is common among gypsies.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:02:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Youngest mom ever was 5
4tchan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:24:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there are a lot of Gypsies on reddit
prancingElephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are there really? I tried to make a thread about them once and barely got any replies
[deleted] ยท 564 points ยท Posted at 15:38:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In r/Pokemon, I said Eevee doesn't need any more evolutions, it had plenty with 5.
Got like -70 something downvotes
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 252 points ยท Posted at 15:40:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There totally needs to be a dragon eeveelution!
[deleted] ยท 83 points ยท Posted at 15:44:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol I kinda agree. People took it in the way I meant the first 5 were enough. I had to explain that I didn't mean which types, just the shear number for it.
The first 5 could've been dragon, poison, bug, steel, and ground, and I still would've thought it was enough.
MLPorsche ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
1 eeveelution per type, though to be fair they could create a new eeveelution as soon as a new type is introduced and cover all the types to begin with
send_me_kinky_nudes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they did do that when they introduced Fairy type in Pokemon X/Y.
Ruevein ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:24:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and Dark type with Umbreon
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:26:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And it would probably still suck!
EDIT Competitively
pokemon_fetish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suck away!
Shit_Arse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:34:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant username.
IcebergGlaceon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now, Jolteon, Esperon, Vaporeon, Umbreon and Sylveon are all great competitive pokemon.
The other 3 are terrible though, and even though one of them is my favourite pokemon i still won't use it competitively.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:54:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Espeon and Jolteon (and to a lesser extent Vaporeon) both fell off quite a bit after Gen 6 was released. Jolteon is not as good after the rain nerfs and Espeon is outclassed by Sableye-Mega and Diancie-Mega.
IcebergGlaceon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, really? I only played competitive up to ORAS' release, but I remember Espeon being one of my best sweepers once set up. Jolteon has always been the weakest of the "good" evolutions, though, IMO.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you use calm mind? I seem to recall Espeon only being used as a magic bounce utility with dual screens because it was outclassed by most other calm mind users.
IcebergGlaceon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did, yeah. I also generally baton passed in something like dragon dance (?) to get the already good base speed really high, and put all my EVs into Sp Atk and Spd. It worked really well for a long time, not too many counters.
Selkie_Love ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but espeon is still pretty good if you want a different mega.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Vaporeon was a competitive staple for a long time and Sylveon was pretty busted in the Gen 6 meta.
grumpnotso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're honestly not great for single player either, eeveelutions are usually outpaced by pokemon of the same types.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Vaporeon, Umbreon, and Sylveon are pretty decent both in game and competitively
grumpnotso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'm just not an Eevee fan.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a totally justified downvote train for that reason alone
TransgenderPride ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:56:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You MONSTER!
pokemon_fetish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:43:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait'll they get a load of me...
Night_Albane ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:55:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The way I see it, once they went past 5 they might as well keep going.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf?
Anyways, I just thing the Eevee gimmick thing is overdone. Focus on some more interesting evolutions
Night_Albane ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea how that apostrophe got there. Studying for quals is taking a toll.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao that's hilarious.
Good luck!
Night_Albane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I appreciate it.
WuhanWTF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like a lapras preevolution.
ThatguyMalone ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:07:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly I once said that the dragon type is a stupid addition to the game. I forget how many downvotes it got, but I ended up just deleting it.
Chansharp ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 16:31:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dragon has been since gen 1 right? you mean fairy type?
dasdas666 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:47:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck is fairy even imune to dragon? All i get is "It's because it's the dragon counter, duh" THAT'S NOT A REASON
Chansharp ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:50:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because a pair of keys is obviously the best way to kill legendary world altering dragons. all hail klefki the dragon slayer
Darkestsoul75 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:51:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've obviously never played Kingdom Hearts.
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally like to use Ralts.
swigglediddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gardevoir is my favorite Pokemon of all time. She's so OP
StayPuffGoomba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't played since gen 3 so I had to look up klefki. It's literally a fucking keychain! Holy crap that's bad!
calvicstaff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and voltorbs design was much better? its a pokeball, but don't worry it flips upside down when it evolves. not saying klefki was a good design, but bad designs have been around since the start
StayPuffGoomba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dunno why, but voltorb is better to me. Maybe because round things are found in nature, so it seems plausible. But the keychain seems like they were just looking around the room for ideas.
SuperNightshade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think we can't talk much about "being found in nature" when we have fucking dragons and sentient magnets roaming around.
But yes, Klefki is kinda stupid. But it's also one of the best supports in the game, so it passes.
StayPuffGoomba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im just talking about its design, not its function. The functions can be put on literally anything else and still be one of the best supports, while not being a literal key chain.
loooloool ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:44:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Normal immune to Ghost? Why is Dragon resistant to water? Why is Dark super effective against Ghost? Why is Steel weak to Fighting? What about the reality where Hitler cured cancer?
The answer is don't think about it Morty.
psirockinomega ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:53:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why isn't water weak against poison? Water contamination is horrible for aquatic life, and water is barely weak against anything, while poison is barely super effective on anything.
thatJainaGirl ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:18:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because, in European mythology (XY are set in Europe), fairies were commonly believed to slay dragons.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:52:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also get downvoted for this!
I Trynna explain that's the concept of the fairy typing design, not the cutesy fairies. The idea of the TYPE is from that mythology. The Pokemon them selves are meant to look cutesy, but not they're typing
varlz14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fight magical beings with magical beings?
Wub_Wub_Wowzy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fairy type is supposed to be taken from Arthurian legend, where it's weak to steel, hence the steel weakness. Since dragon needed a counter, they added another fantasy type to counter it.
Or at least, that's always been my justification.
Dsnahans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because in fairytales, the dragon almost always dies!
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all of the type match-ups make intuitive sense.
whateverbruhwhatever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fairy is ok. I just really like the design most of the fairies have.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:53:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only fairy I like is Granbull. I was okay with them adding fairy to the mix, but i don't like any of the fairy Pokemon.
My biggest pet peeve is Flabรฉbรฉ line. We all know it was supposed to be fairy/grass! My mind was blown when I used a fire move against a Florges
ThatguyMalone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The one with the weird orange symbol
Blitz722 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:54:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well the only "additions" to typing have been dark, steel, and fairy. So you must be smoking something.
ThatguyMalone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm talking of this symbol
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqQqy9D3_eJJTuKrfgrVQGpTW1rotDBsxERQ19V6I6sbwQgUSrLA
JusticeOwl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:01:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh what you mean is "adding dragon to the tcg is a stupid idea"?
ThatguyMalone ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably. I said it a long time ago. I'm kind of a disease when it comes to pokemon anyway, now I just play a game from time to time and don't really worry about it.
Blitz722 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:08:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dragon has been around since gen 1. See dragonite.
Dravarden ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
THEY ADDED FAIRY TYPE?
i swear, i don't usually do the /r/lewronggeneration stuff, but damn pokemon went downhill after gen 4
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was only added to counter dragon type because they were so overpowered.
Besides. Gen 5 was my shit! The only thing about gen 6 I like is ORAS.
Bluepass11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You deserve even more for deleting it
Ashybuttons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does it need more? No.
Would I be like "Awh yeah" if it got more? Yes.
OkArmordillo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With this comment you have earned back all that lost karma. Even made profit from it. Thank the pokemon downvoters.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm banking in karma now boi
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand that.
I was kinda that way with fennekin. They should've flipped the gender ratios if they're going to make them look feminine.
notastepfordwife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:22:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't Eevee at eight now? I just bought alpha sapphire, and a buddy is trading me all the evolutions, a ponyta, and a Vulpix.
Still working on my team.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Vaporeon (water), Jolteon (electric), Flareon (fire), Umbreon (Dark), Espeon (Psychic), Leafeon (Grass), Glaceon (Ice), and Sylveon (Fairy).
pokemon_fetish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now, the more the merrier!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out...
Walter_Malone_Carrot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna see a normal type Eevee with a slight resistance to everything.
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they are at 8 now, most are pretty good (for single player), I really liked using Glaceon and Leafeon in a recent Pt run, and I loved my Espeon and Umbreon in an older HGSS run
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'll agree with that. I like them no doubt, but it's always "Oh look. Another eeveelution."
Umbreons my go to no matter what though
ShinyMew151 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same thing happened to me. Never mind that eevee and its evolutions are some of my fave pokemon, i just think there's enough already
triplejk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
haha this one is the best by far XD
Sayse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That incredibly unreasonable of you, I'm sorry but you deserved it
RothXQuasar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I probably would've down voted you too, haha.
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's just throwing rocks at a hornets nest dude.
Nogen12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well this one i understand. Theres just so much more potential eeveelutions, how can you NOT be excited for more! waiting on a flying one
Tay_Soup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're lucky I don't downvote this!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
16 Eeveelutions for lyfe!
fabulousmountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
BUT I WANT MY GHOST EEVEELUTION /s
Ballkenende ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:17:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has 8.....
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know......
And I said it should've stopped at 5.
Ballkenende ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh, mb :)
edit: Unreasonable downvotes on a askreddit thread called 'What was your most unreasonably down voted comment?'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol ironic right? Wasn't me though :*
Terrible_Zach ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:02:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because there are 8 eeveelutions.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:00:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
facepalm
I know. I don't get what is so hard about this for people to think I only think there's 5 Eeveelutions.
iaran9047 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:17:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, she has 5 now? I only know about vaporeon, jolteon, and flareon.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually 8 now. Vaporeon, Jolteon, Flareon, Umbreon, Espeon, Leafeon, Glaceon, and Sylveon.
iaran9047 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now that you say that, Umbreon and Espeon ring bells. Were they in Gold and Silver?
The three newest look utterly ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yup. Umbreon and Espeon were in gen 2. Leafeon and Glaceon were in gen 4, and Sylveon in gen 6
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I meant. No idea why I put 5. Edited
Diabetesh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:20:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One day there be a pokemon of only evees. Evolve all 149 evos.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:09:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you joking? I never said there were 5? I said they had enough with 5.
SosX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:18:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You deserve those downvotes, giff eeveelutions.
juchem69z ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:56:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because there are more than 5
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I know. That's why I said it had enough with 5.
Goooner44 ยท 519 points ยท Posted at 14:23:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once answered an ask Reddit about food you don't like. I said something along the lines of how I dislike mushrooms because they're basically fungi that grow in poop. I thought it was a good response to the question. Apparently not, got down voted to oblivion.
warqgui666 ยท 336 points ยท Posted at 15:31:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I was in a similar thread where I said I didn't like eggs because their texture felt slimy and I wasn't a big fan of the taste. Got downvoted and people commented saying I was wrong. I thought the point of the thread was to talk about food you didn't like.
AmeriCossack ยท 258 points ยท Posted at 15:40:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It always boggles my mind when people downvote others for having a purely subjective opinion on something.
actin_and_myosin ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 17:04:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
basically r/movies
SwimmingAshes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:08:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Interstellar was OK"
-500
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:11:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i've always been confused by how r/television is so much better than r/movies in terms of discussions and not totally shitting on other people's tastes.
jFlamorDamor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a way, it fits both industries. Television is in a position to allow a lot of experimentation whereas the mainstream film industry can't afford too many risky choices.
f00gers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And r/mma
dmkicksballs13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally any sports subreddit. Don't agree with popular opinion? Fuck you. It's rough for me cause I'm a Rockhold fan.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:55 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted in /r/movies for saying the make up on a young actress mad her look extremely old. It wasn't blended very well and made a 26 year old playing a 16 year old look nearly in her fourties. The actress looks young. The makeup was awful. Everyone posted pictures in reply saying "she looks young enough." Guys I can Google photoshopped images of this girl myself I was saying she looked odd and too old on the FILM. you know... the thing we talk about in /r/ MOVIES.
onioning ยท 109 points ยท Posted at 15:56:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when they were specifically asked what they don't like.
Doctursea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:16:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same reason you hardly see about of the several confession memes be used correctly. If you use it right you probably won't get to many upvotes
Sheepdog20 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed that a lot of posters here snap to being overly contrarian just so they can get attention or be heard. Once you see it, all comment threads become annoying.
onioning ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:25:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they don't. You're making a big deal about nothing. Come on. Grow up.
(Joking, if it isn't obvious. It's especially bad in any polarized subject. Does your view not lie on an extreme? Then fuck you, you're wrong.)
Sheepdog20 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything to the discussion.
xD
onioning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let's dispel the myth that /u/Sheepdog20 doesn't know what he's doing...
loooloool ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:35:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does not boggle your mind, you're completely and utterly wrong!
Downvote
xXx_WeedBlzr_420_xXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upvotes to counter
f00gers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to r/mma
5p33di3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted an unpopular opinion of mine in a thread about unpopular opinions and it went into the negative double digits. It was a legit unpopular opinion, too, not one of those "I dislike Starbucks" opinions.
Don't ask a question you don't want to hear the answer to.
AWildEnglishman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently gave my opinion on what I perceived to be a decline in quality of the show Person of Interest and was downvoted for it, as was every other opinion that wasn't just fawning over the show.
It's like some communities just can't handle criticism.
geeving ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Reddit
janedoethefirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some people were tearing someone a new one the other day for complaining on trueoffmychest. I mean, isn't that kind of what the sub is for? If you don't want to read people bitching why the fuck are you there?
LewsTherinT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, thats just like your, opinion man
A_Drusas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've known some people in real life who similarly irrationally (and vehemently!) refute opinions which are contrary to their own on subjective matters.
It's one of my least favorite qualities in a person.
dabosweeney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does it boggle your mind that people downvote what they disagree with
GozerDaGozerian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong though. I make scramby eggs that would make the Pope orgasm.
redchindi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once answered on a question along the lines of "What movie don't you like, which everyone else seems to love" with Amelie. Because I hate that movie. Well, most people love it and downvoted me to oblivion...
Rivka333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like eggs either. A pain to cook, and after all that trouble, I don't enjoy the taste. They are useful for baking, though...
signet6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How are you making your eggs?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you by any chance have spiked blonde hair and wear sunglasses backwards?
CommanderCuntPunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No you see you're wrong, you do like eggs.
ressis74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While you're wrong /s, you're still in good company.
Roses88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet I said onions and got 1000+ upvotes abs gold. People just make no sense
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate them too for the exact same reasons. The texture is very strange and I was never a fan of that sulfury taste
notasrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and obviously you dislike the wrong foods. /s
drunkendisarray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I hate mentioning a food I don't like around a group of people. E.g. I fucking hate bananas, the texture, taste, smell, everything. But if i mention that with a group of people, especially if they don't know me, suddenly I get the "how can you hate bananas?!?!" Like its some impossibility to hate bananas, people have different taste buds and different shit tastes different to different people, fuck right off
CasuallyExisting ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:32:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love mushrooms, but you're in no way wrong. Gotta wash those things real good...
LinguisticPenguin14 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:00:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all of them grow on shit. Most don't.
Granted, that doesn't discredit the ones that do.
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wash 'em real good. Wash 'em real good. Wash 'em real good.
Todesnachti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you shouldn't wash mushrooms steht all, at least not with water or an other liquid
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, they're not sponges, they won't soak up the water despite some chefs acting like they will, just like you don't see mushrooms swelling up after a rain. I think I read a FoodLab article about it with actual measurements of washed and unwashed mushrooms. Any water they do soak up would be minimal and be cooked out anyway.
janedoethefirst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do they actually grow in shit like you hear? I mean, why don't we get like, e coli etc? Mushrooms are so porous...
shadowthiefo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're grown in fertiliser, which can be made out of feces...but so is pretty much every plant, too.
Leet_Noob ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:36:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't lots of plants grow in poop though? I think you got downvoted because your explanation of why you don't like mushrooms doesn't really make sense.
BratEnder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait! Fertilizer is made of WHAT!?
UnknownQTY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you young? I used to hate mushrooms, but the older I've gotten, the more I like mushrooms, even just washed, sautรฉed and salted. Same goes for onions of all varieties.
Swissgiant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree also the texture always groses me out
FiveootofSeven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also don't like mushrooms for that reason! Gross texture IMO. But hey I will still eat them if they're on pizza or something. Olives though...#vomit
OneGoodRib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also hate mushrooms. "Oh you just haven't eaten one that was cooked right!" No. They're just fucking gross. I imagine the texture is consistent with that of a raw stingray. Just so slick and floppy. Ugh I'm making myself sick. Mushrooms. Gross.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't know what your missing but I don't blame you. My wife hatted to eat mushrooms so I would but Portobello mushrooms and chop them up finely and mix it with ground beef and make lasagna. She came to love it and still doesnt like to eat them except only when I make them for her.
Edit: a word
Good_parabola ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha, me too. I've had so many downvotes for saying that mushrooms aren't food. Apparently Reddit loves eating fruiting bodies of rot?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:04:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'd rather eat bloated plant ovaries.
BratEnder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not me. I prefer LIVE CULTURES. Between yogurt, blue cheese, cottage cheese, and Kefir, I got a serious Renfield diet going on.
So many lives..... Mwahahahahaha!
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:51:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything you can digest is food. So mushrooms are definitely food.
Also I love mushrooms, fuck you. They taste like meat but have way fewer calories!
donkeymonk ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 16:22:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Tell me where you get meat so I can avoid that place.
km89 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:26:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What types of mushrooms taste like meat?
I love mushrooms, but they taste like mushrooms.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:28:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they're savory. Most vegetables aren't savory. Slash no vegetables are savory except avocados and fuck avocados.
taekwondogirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
O_O
ceelo_purple ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Avocados are a fruit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you, the FRUIT police?
ceelo_purple ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
me_irl
SnarfraTheEverliving ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Culinaryly speaking, vegetable, but yes its a drope
StayPuffGoomba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's cause mushrooms are fungi, different kingdom than veggies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you, the VEGETABLE police?
BratEnder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out more savory greens, like brussel sprouts, broccoli, asparagus, artichoke, romaine lettuce, etc. Also, manner of preparation changes things a lot. A pinch of salt or a dash of Worcestershire on some grilled or griddle seared asparagus makes that shit taste like a steak. It's awesome.
ChocolateGautama3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of mushrooms taste 'meaty' like portobellos, morels, boletes. The button mushrooms you get in supermarkets are much milder.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So good
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But it is?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its not surprising considering there are hundreds of kinds of edible mushrooms, most of which don't grow in shit.
It is similar to saying I don't like vegetables because stores only sell peas and broccoli and I don't like peas or broccoli. Meanwhile everyone else is eating green beans, asparagus, ect ect. How many kinds of mushrooms have to actually ate? For most people, its only one or two kinds which is kind of ridiculous to claim to represent all mushrooms.
DevoutandHeretical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a post in /r/offmychest about a year ago about how I knew I was falling for my boyfriend because his parents, not knowing I detest fish, made me salmon for dinner the first time I met them, and I ate the whole thing and pretended that it was awesome.
Everyone in the commented proceeded to completely ignore the idea of the post, that I would eat food I loathe for him, and question why I didn't like fish. Told me that I'd clearly never had good fish, never had real salmon, I just needed to try this one different thing and I would suddenly be converted to a fish lover. My dad and grandpa both worked in the fish canning business for a time, and I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. I've had fish caught in Alaska and flown in the next day. No one would believe that I actually, truly just didn't like fish.
crop028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well that really isn't a good reason. Basically everything is grown in shit, and fungi isn't specifically bad.
Fresh4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to be fair a lot of food grows from poop
PM_ME_UR_TARANTULA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being a vegetarian that doesn't like mushrooms. I tell people that and they look at me like I'm a psychopath.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you there. The only mushrooms I eat are magic mushrooms, and I only consume those my grinding them up and shoving he resulting powder into pill capsules
peanut_monkey_90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Big Mushroom has accounts all over this site.
rattfink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like to mention to all you psychedelic warriors out there, do NOT try to grow magic mushrooms in dung, or a weird log, or any sort of trash.
Proper cultivation of mushrooms requires a sterile environment. It's a lot more work than your stoned ass is willing to put in right now. Do your research. It's honestly not that hard or even terribly expensive, but it's more complicated than you think it is.
rattfink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a quick tip to all you psychedelic warriors out there. Do NOT, I repeat do NOT try to grow magic mushrooms in poop, or a weird log, or any kind of trash.
Growing mushrooms properly requires a very sterile environment. Otherwise your mushrooms will die, or get replaced by other types of fungus that could potentially be very bad for you.
Growing mushrooms isn't that hard, but it requires careful planning, attention to detail, and very specific equipment. It can be very rewarding, but if you are not committed to doing it right, you are just wasting your time.
Also your roommates are annoyed that you have a shoebox full of horse shit under your bed.
bogidyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty fucking sad how the purpose of the upvote/downvote feature is too complex a concept for so many redditors. It means "relevant" vs "not relevant". It does NOT mean "I like this" vs "fuck you". It's like people don't want their minds expanded. They just wanna hear that they're already smart
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:58:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude FUCK you for not liking mushrooms!
Goooner44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah pretty much
dilly_of_a_pickle ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 15:34:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread asking for bands you like ruined by the singer, i mentioned smashing pumpkins because their instrumental music is a revelation, but billy corgan's voice sounds like a capybara being squeezed to death... so nasal.
Downvoted because i answered the question.
CuriousGrugg ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 17:15:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you were downvoted for outing yourself as a capybara strangler.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a fan and that description is hilariously accurate.
Roses88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I HATE Billy Corgans voice. It legitimately makes me nauseous
InfanticideAquifer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd never downvote you for something like that... but I really like his voice. If I wanted to hear someone who sounded like everyone else I'd just turn on the radio.
CasaFrosting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably just by people who disagree with the opinion. I disagree with you by a long shot, but still would not down-vote you. Some people would though.
Missymay2002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I also got downvoted for something similar, except it was in regards to an interview where they were talking to Marilyn Manson and Corgan.
Billy Corgan didn't shut up the whole fucking time, like EVERYTHING that was asked he went on a huge rant on how great he is and how smashing pumpkins is the best band ever blah blah blah. For every goddamn question.
I stated that he was a Whiny little cunt who is completely full of himself.
TrumpDid9_11 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:48:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything that contradicts the crazy hivemind bandwagon in /r/worldnews.
CheeseStandsAlone262 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:02:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Try going in there and suggesting that any claim of a world leader being a pedophile is false. They will believe anything, even the crazy cat lady from the Simpsons, as long as she says David Cameron fucks kids.
Schjenley ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:58:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're so toxic and argumentative...I just read the articles and steer clear from the comment sections.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:59:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suggest that not all refugees are animals=a ton of downvotes on r/worldnews
LadyEvadne ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 15:23:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I tried to explain how servers usually don't receive minimum wage if their tips don't make up the difference.
Got told to MANAGE. MY. MONEY.
Thanks, guy.
Edit: repeated a word.
JR_JakeRunner ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:43:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Manage your money? What?
-Manananggal- ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 21:45:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most servers won't get the minimum wage differential because it requires a little math and paperwork, they'd rather complain.
ProphePsyed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:22:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
.. what?
Masqueraver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:26:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually most servers probably don't claim their minimum wage differential because they were told they'd be fired if they did so. That's what happens when you work in an At Will state.
max81968 ยท 143 points ยท Posted at 15:59:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In before this was /r/personalfinance.
Those guys are basically narcissists and will berate you to oblivion if you're over 21 and don't have a million dollars set aside for retirement.
_Mark__ ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 18:37:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been browsing /r/personalfinance for a while and I've never seen this type of behavior, what threads have you been reading?
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:00:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the /r/relationships effect. When one or two answers get common enough, because people keep putting up scenarios where it is answered that way, it becomes a meme.
Lawyer up, hit the gym, etc.
Pizza_Delivery_Dog ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:07:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The popular posts on r/relationships have some reasonable advice. The unpopular ones only have a few comments so obviously there can be some shitty advice.
Do people realise this? Nooooo
Sarcastically_immune ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you happen to be over 21 and have a few mil?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
all of them?
max81968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Duh. /s
Penance1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Some college kid asked for advice last week and was told to invest everything. Shit, college kids can't even invest in McDonalds.
BigBobbert ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:25:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
About a year ago I was doing pretty well and decided to invest about $1000 into some stocks, and knowing that it's best to just let these things sit, I did just that.
A year later, I was down $100 dollars. Investments aren't free money, guys.
interwebhobo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:34:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You also shouldn't invest like that for short term gains, without a doubt. Anyone who tells you otherwise is foolish.
BigBobbert ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't expecting a huge gain, and felt like a 100-200 dollar gain in a year was pretty reasonable. Knowing that I would have been better off leaving it in the bank was pretty frustrating.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:14:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
100-200 in one year on a $1000 investment is 10-20% return. That's not realistic. At least not every year. Sure it might happen. But you can also lost money as you found out.
interwebhobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ya but as far as I know investing like that should be considered in much larger increments, like 5-10+ yrs. If you only wanted it to sit somewhere for a single year, yeah that would be pretty frustrating.
I do know most advice I see on PF about that type of short term investing is just drop it in a savings account.
MotherOfDragonflies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You thought a 20% return in one year was reasonable? 4% would be good, 20% is insane.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you invest in bonds as well?
Ethernum ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
A million is almost not enough... Are you not properly thinking about your retirement at the ripe age of... 17?
u_have_ASS_CANCER ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:54:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're planning on buying a nice house/car or even worse, spending money on hobbies? Who the fuck do you think you are? You're going to save up and use that money exclusively on living costs.
Ethernum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Renting is just throwing away money every month"
Qender ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:37:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I made a post warning people that Ally bank will close your accounts without warning if you're a freelancer, or sell online or do anything that could be considered a business.
About 30 people started arguing with me that I should've read page 35 of the fine print and known they don't allow "business" accounts. Even though almost every other bank allows freelancers to deposit their money without considering it a business account. And that I should have known this already. (isn't that the point of the subreddit? to learn what we should know?) and they said that I'm an idiot for posting this. And some cursed at me so badly the mods had to step in.
A lot of good advice at that sub-Reddit, but if you disagree with anything they already believe, they go full narcissistic tantrum on you.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted once there asking for help, was told I made poor life choices and clearly didn't understand finances. I said "yeah, I know, that's why I'm here" and received no reply.
flyingcircusdog ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:11:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or if you buy anything on any sort of credit.
notacareerserver ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've served for years. Never once had an employer make up the difference if I had a slow pay period and didn't make minimum wage with my tips. Thankfully it was a rare occurrence, but it does happen.
darknessgp ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:47:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And unfortunately if you had pushed the issue to make them do what they are legally required to, I'm sure your employer would find an excuse to fire you.
notacareerserver ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:53:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactlyyyyy. Servers are definitely easily replaceable. They never had to worry about ex-employees filing for wrongful termination or unemployment because they'd always come up with an excuse about your job performance or something. Saw it happen soooo many times. That, or they'll just start dropping shifts until you're not making near enough money to justify staying so you leave on your own.
unicorn-jones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How the fuck are you supposed to manage money that you don't get to take home?
Nevermind04 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:26:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read the labor law poster in your break room. Under tipped wages, it specifically says that if your tipped wage + tips don't equal minimum wage, your employer must make up the difference. You were downvoted because your post was inaccurate.
palcatraz ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:52:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between what people are legally entitled to and what happens in reality though. Yes, legally, employers have to make up the difference. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that is what happens in reality. A lot of people are completely unaware of what their rights are and what to do if they are not getting what they are entitled to. And a lot of people working those jobs are not in a position where they can afford to lose that job / the wrongful termination law suit.
notacareerserver ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:05:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amen to this. Most people who harp on "but it's the lawwwww" don't realize the law is by pay period anyways, not by shift. They assume if we have a shit shift ONE day, employers have to make it up to us. Nope, and 9/10 times our other shifts make up the difference on our "checks" (cause you know we barely get one), not our employer. I made good money serving and I actually do enjoy it, but there's a lot of red tape BS people who've never worked the industry never seem to understand! I used to get NEGATIVE checks when tips were good lol. Like, I'd have to pay my job for taxes every pay period and not receive a damn check other than the stub.
AmbyrLynn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Worked a job where I didn't always make enough tips, and occasionally had to have it made up on my paycheck (I was an overnight server. Did really well in the summer, not so well when it was too cold for anyone to come in). It was always a hassle. Every time. I'd get called into the office and told that I "needed to claim more tips." I would then point out that I had a total of 10 customers in the past 5 nights, total sales of $120, and that I claimed what I had. I would go through each table individually, from memory (mostly regulars, and not too difficult to remember when you have that few), and tell them what they tipped me. The response? blank stare "you need to claim more tips." I was lucky enough to feel pretty secure in my job, since in the 2 and a half years I worked it they went through over 3 dozen people just trying to give me nights off. If I wasn't so secure, I probably would have just gritted my teeth and claimed more.
ridersderohan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most states have an hotline of sorts that you can call in to report a violation like that anonymously.
But like you said, the big problem already is getting people the information about what they're legally entitled to, much less how they would go about taking action on it. And of course, with many smaller work teams, it's almost impossible for someone to not find out who did it.
16semesters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's a chain restaurant, corporations are very adverse to violations of labor laws and will quickly make a correction if it's pointed out.
For a small mom and pop your point probably has some weight.
Nevermind04 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I agree. Many managers will take liberties with your wage if you let them, however as someone who has already worked the hours at a determined wage, you have all of the rights in that situation. Sometimes all you have to do is show them that you are aware of their rights and they will "correct the mistake".
I've been shorted on checks before, but each time I quickly pointed it out to management and they fixed it. Thankfully, I have never had to escalate the issue.
palcatraz ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:06:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is not about having a spine.
A lot of people don't know what their rights are. So they don't know when to speak up.
And there are also a lot of people who feel they simply cannot afford speaking up. If you are struggling to make ends meet and you don't have an easy replacement for your job, a lot of people are going to make the decision not to speak up, especially if they have dependents. Cause as shit as it is getting stiffed, getting no money at all cause your boss fired you for making waves is even worse.
notacareerserver ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the restaurant industry, people are disposable. You cause too much hoopla, easy to come up with a good excuse to fire you. Or simply start cutting your shifts down to where you're basically forced out the door. It's not too hard for them to find someone to replace you. For most of us, it isn't worth losing our jobs over an amount much smaller than what we'll make on any halfway decent shift. If it was something happening a lot, then yeah. But in 11 years in the industry I think it's happened to me twice, because the rare shift I don't break minimum, I have plenty in the same pay period that far, far exceed it. I averaged about $25 per hour during on-season at my last place. And it is by pay period, not by shift, that reimbursements are supposed to happen.
You'll also hear people say that if your taxes exceed what you're making on your check for hourly wages, employers are supposed to cover that. Trust me on this, they have plenty of loopholes in place to where they don't have to. I used to get "negative checks" all the time because I actually declared all my cash tips (a lot of servers don't, but I like being able to, ya know, be able to prove I make what I say I do!). Taxes would exceed my hourly pay. Granted, my health insurance there came outta my check, but it was $80 a pay period and sometimes I'd be negative like $110 between taxes and insurance.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:18:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And the best you can hope for in that situation is not getting fired.
Peoples_Bropublic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and then guess whose name immediately goes to the top of the chopping block when your employer decides, for "entirely unrelated reasons," to sever some "underperforming" employees a week or two later?
BadgersForChange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just a question, but is that a federal law or does it vary from state to state? And, if it's federal, wouldn't it just be the federal minimum, which is often quite lower than state minimums?
BratEnder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is this magical "break room" you speak of?
LadyEvadne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware of what the posters say. I've also never had an employer make up the difference. They only make up the difference if I make under minimum wage over the course of the week.
tvreference ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:45:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some waitress has a bad night and suddenly they're the worlds indentured servants.
"If I mention to our employer we didn't get enough tips to make minimum wage they'll fire me." or maybe just maybe you don't say anything because you're wage will average out over minimum wage.
RomanticPanic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm, there is 0 compensation if I don't break the minimum barrier ever. I'm told "well on some days you make like $17/hr" yeah but 4 days in a row making less than minimum wage really fucks me
LadyEvadne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've been taken off the floor on slow days to watch mandatory training videos (thanks, corporate!). I said I wanted minimum wage for that half an hour and my manager goes "you weren't doing anything anyways."
Uuuuugh.
RomanticPanic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ughhhh that's shitty
Chairboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A note for anyone who's interested (and apologies in advance for those who aren't): in some states (like Oregon specifically) tipped employees make minimum wage no matter what. There is no $2.13 or whatever it is 'tipped minimum wage', you make $9.25 (or whatever it is locally) as the base pay from your employer.
I don't know how many states are like this, but it's a thing.
prospect12 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:28:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well you're wrong about your comment so that's why you got downvoted.
notacareerserver ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:02:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever worked as a tipped employee making $2.13 an hour? I've NEVER had an employer make up the difference and I've served on and off since I was 18 (29 now). So many people think this means for the day. As in, if I had a slow day and made $15 off the 2 tables I had, my employer must make up the difference to me! No. It's by pay period. If your wages and tips for the entire pay period don't add to what you'd make making normal minimum wage, then they're supposed to make up the difference. This rarely happens. I'd have a $15 shift but the next night make $20+ per hour with tips. I can only think of a couple of times the entire time I've served where my pay period didn't equal minimum, and I never got reimbursed. They come up with all kinds of bs loopholes to avoid spending any extra money, trust me on this. And when you're struggling, it's not worth potentially losing the job to get $20-$30 when you knowwww you're gonna make much more than that in a normal shift.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:55:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. Any boss doing that is breaking the law
Mejari ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being illegal doesn't mean it isn't done.
LadyEvadne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They ARE breaking the law! Just like it's illegal to make servers pay for walkouts out of their tips. Both still happen all the time.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:26:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I pointed out that you can be legally held responsible financially for a debt generated by your parents in some US states even though you never signed anything to allow them to do so. For example, aged care.
Downvoted to about -7 I think. Even though later commenters pointed out it's actually true it seems people just hated the idea too much. Mind you I hate the idea of it too.
Warpato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:01:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I get a list of states? Need to know whether or not to murder my parents
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's called "filial responsibility laws". I Googled it too, because my mom is an alcoholic and a borderline, and I'll be fucked if the state makes me pay for her elder care after I didn't even get a safe and stable childhood (let alone developing or nurturing) out of her. I'll be an illegal in Canada or Mexico first, and I don't think I'm joking. Fortunately less than ten states have them and only Pennsylvania has a reputation for using them like money-grubbing retards (a few years ago Pennsylvania was simply suing the wealthiest person to whom filial responsibility could apply under their statute for elder care and taking every dime they could get, with no attempt to spread the pain among children or exhaust medicare billing first).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I sympathise with you. I think it's wrong.
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:51:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There are many, but a recent example: On /r/startrek, I had the temerity to point out to someone that I, too, had been born several decades after TOS' (The Original Series) original run, but I didn't find it "outdated". You're not supposed to deviate from constant DS9 (Deep Space 9) worship or question the dismissive attitude towards TOS there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:56:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made the mistake of saying I loved Voyager.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not the other guy, but I liked Voyager because it had a relatively strong over arching plot line (getting home from the Delta Quadrant). Each episode was its own little adventure, like all other star trek. But at the same time they all had a main plot line in mind, so when you got an episode making progress on the main plotline it was a real treat.
The show isn't perfect, I'll be the first to admit that. But I do still enjoy Voyager, and it doesn't deserve the hate it gets.
max81968 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/trekkiecirclejerk
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, pretty much.
TeamRedRocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's normally the opposite reaction of people I know. Tng, tos, ds9, voyager, enterprise in that order, which is also conveniently almost release order.
Orthodox-Waffle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:30:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Enterprise is my fave but I grew up with it...
TeamRedRocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying any of them are terrible, mind you. I personally think they're all pretty good.
[deleted] ยท 242 points ยท Posted at 16:51:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Rivka333 ยท 145 points ยท Posted at 19:49:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a fan of male circumcision but yeah, the two practices are not remotely the same.
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:51:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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haloraptor ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:54:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It really depends on the type of FGM. FGM isn't a monolith, it's a bunch of different things collectively called 'FGM'. There are FGM practises where there is removal of the [clitoral hood], which is analogous to male circumcision (although FGM generally tends to be much more harmful/destructive than basically all male circumcision practises).
unicorn-jones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also done in a variety of sanitary conditions and by practitioners with a variety of skill levels. I'll never ever forget reading a first-person essay by a woman whose grandmother performed her FGM with a piece of broken glass.
chokingonlego ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:20:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. Remember the baby in New York that died of STDs after he was circumcised and had his penis cleaned by the mouth of a Rabbi? there needs to be a boundary for when religion is considered harmful to where the government can regulate it. FGM, MGM, and Scientologist prisons are things too oft ignored.
unicorn-jones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
UUUGGGGHH no, I hadn't heard about that. That's terrifically bad. But that doesn't detract from my original point, which is that FGM varies pretty widely in terms of method, sanitary conditions, and skill level.
chokingonlego ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:37:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all varied. On average MGM and FGM are both performed in a variety of different environments, sterile and dirty. FGM tends to be worse in general because of the variance in procedures, but MGM can have horrific consequences as well, even if the procedure goes as planned. Results of routine MGM. NSFL graphic images
Note that album is extremely NSFL, that'd what pushed me over the fence from calling it circumcision to MGM. We should really just ban it all, but someone always jumps in to say that it's not as bad, or that it has health benefits. There aren't any health benefits to cutting up a boy's perfectly good penis or a girl's vagina. It's all disgusting and pointless and crude, and it's a shame our society hasn't moved forward.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 05:04:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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chokingonlego ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:34:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you look at those pictures? The side effects and results of circumcision cause enough risks, health issues, and bodily harm for it to be considered MGM. I agree it's hysterical for sexual assault to be considered rape, but there's a difference.
How much more life altering can you get than forcibly removing the foreskin of baby boys, and cutting it off with a knife? Over 20,000 nerve cells are removed when the foreskin is removed, dramatically reducing sensitivity of the penis. The glans, covered in mucous membranes similar to the inside of the eyelid is left exposed by the removal of the foreskin, causing the skin on the glans to dry and keratinize, further reducing sensitivity.
The procedure of circumcision was developed by John Harvey Kellogg, a medical doctor who is known for inventing corn flakes, but also his abstinence only views on sex and sexual education. The foreskin serves as a lubrication device during sexual procreation, in which it pumps back and forth, allowing the penis to penetrate the vagina without strain or discomfort.
It also serves as a protective device, preventing the mucous membranes on the glans of the penis from drying out, which results in loss of sensitivity as I stated earlier. He patented this procedure as a method to prevent boys from masturbating or feeling sexual pleasure, in an attempt to suppress sexuality in children. Did you know he also would apply carbolic acid to the clitorises of baby girls as well, to reduce the sensitivity of their sex organs?
Did you even look at those pictures? There isn't a single way to judge on how to properly cut for a circumcision. It's up to the discretion of the doctor, which can result in the skin being too tight causing discomfort, stretching of skin, affect how the man is able to produce an erection, or it being too long resulting in the procedure being pointless.
Or if it fails, severe genital mutilation occurs. David Reimer was a man who's penis was permanently scarred after circumcision, causing his parents and his psychologist to forcibly give him sex change surgery as an infant, and be raised as a girl. He ended up committing suicide due to the psychological stress caused by his failed circumcision, and the resulting trauma.
We have every reason as a society to condemn this barbaric procedure, and it is more than worthy of the term mutilation. Calling it anything else is a discredit to every man and boy who's suffered as a result of it, including us all who had it done without our own consent to the procedure.
And why are you bringing sex into this? We're talking about the unconsenting mutilation of childrens genitals, not some petty buzzword bullcrap like "man spreading". The fact you consider this a worthy issue to bring sex into is ridiculous. This is something suffered by both boys and girls, women and men. I'm not jazzing it up.
Hydrochloric_Comment ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:12:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd think removal of the clitoral hood would be more analogous since the hood is homologous to the foreskin.
haloraptor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's what I meant. I'll edit my post now!
SirManguydude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:41:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wait...that isn't what a male circumcision is? Well...I guess I need to call my doctor.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what i've read women around the world get FGM in the form of cutting off just about everything exterior wise.
So yeah basically cut off the head of the penis so that you can pee and thats just about it.
Rivka333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Too lazy to look this up right now, but I think that in the embryo, the future penis glans and future clitoris are the exact same organ. And female circumcision often involves removing the labia as well, which have an important protective role.
1III1I1II1III1I1II ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:57:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes they are the same. Both involve chopping off parts of the sexual organ and causing life long disfigurement. How are they "not even remotely" the same? Because an extra millimetre of skin is taken?
Don't believe the feminist propaganda that one is a horrible crime while the other is a non-issue.
prodiver ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:10:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one is saying that. Male circumcision is a horrible crime and should be banned.
But cutting off some foreskin is not as bad as cutting of the clitoris, which is what most female circumcision entails.
A circumcised man can still orgasm and have sexual pleasure. A circumcised female can't.
Both are bad, but one is worse.
Rivka333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I already stated that I dislike both. But....guess what? While both forms of circumcision involve chopping off parts of the sexual organ, the actual parts taken are different from one another (male and female genitalia are different) and their roles and functions are not equivalent.
Also, while I dislike male circumcision I do know that many circumcised men are perfectly happy about the fact that they're circumcised.
GaydaLovelace ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 20:28:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Going the other way, I got downvoted for saying that male circumcision was a weird thing for someone to have invented.
Shadowex3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:30:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was perfectly rational for an anti-masturbation anti-sex quack to invent circumcision (and burning off clitorises with acid) in order to curb sexual behavior. Look up Dr. Kellogg's insane inventions sometime.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 05:12:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think circumcision, of either gender, has existed or been common only since the 19th century? Are you kidding?
Shadowex3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:49:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I said at all. Routine male genital mutilation in the western world was popularized primarily by Dr. Kellogg and other anti-masturbation advocates of the 19th century.
prodiver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Kellogg did not invent circumcision.
It's been around for thousands of years.
Shadowex3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:50:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Invent might have been the wrong word but he is almost solely responsible for turning it into a routine practice.
lion_queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:38:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a female and I don't have kids so I know next to nothing about make circumcision, just to preface this. Doesn't it have some hygiene benefits? Maybe that's why it started, then religion made it so widespread.
kjata ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:00:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It has hygiene benefits, I've heard, if you don't actually try to clean it out yourself. I don't actually know, not having one to clean, but I suspect that it's not some major onus to clean it out.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:15:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
its origin isn't so crazy as people (especially in deserts) didn't have access to bathing. but now yeah it seems pretty pointless.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:49:04 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hygeine benefits and benefits for men with phimosis, or foreskin that's too tight , making it nearly impossible to clean beneath the skin or have an erection without tearing foreskin. The hygeine benefits are simply for people without access to showers, the lazy and the uneducated though. Literally pull back the skin and clean it. Teach young boys how to clean it properly and you're golden. If a boy has phimosis, it's easily diagnosable and simple enough to fix, just get a circumcision.
With showers being abundant and daily for most people, there's really no need for circumcision for a healthy male.
prodiver ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 04:14:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, cutting off a body part has hygiene benefits.
If you don't have it then it can't get infected, and germs can't grow on it.
Cutting off your hands also has a dramatic hygiene benefit, since they are the main method of transferring germs.
Cutting off the breast tissue of infant girls also helps. It reduces breast cancer rates by 100% and reduces hygiene problems, since yeast infections can occur under the breasts if they are not properly washed.
lion_queen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:18:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude chill. I said I don't know anything about this. I was genuinely asking.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:11:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For fuck sake, take a Xanax.
Lots of public health officials in the West did indeed approve of circumcision as an STD prevention for quite some time and until fairly recently. It's been the last 30 years or less people have started agreeing it's probably not a big help and may not be worth the downsides. The OP is not spewing some unfounded misandrist propaganda and saying "gee, I just always assumed it was true."
shrekinator ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:22:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Omg, chill the fuck out, lmao. Are you one of those folks that think it's as bad as female cutting?
Nate-Dawg-Not-A-Rapr ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:51:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think people should stop cutting at children's genitalia. Whether male or female; it shouldn't matter if culture religion, or social norms deem it acceptable as it denies the child to live in the body they were born with.
Edit - Changed he to the (Forgot the 't').
Thisis___speaking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity, what's your position on piercings?
Nate-Dawg-Not-A-Rapr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:00:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you are old enough, than it is your body. Same with circumcision (both female and male). If you are at the age of consent in your country and you have full rights and not treated like cattle etc, than by all means do what you want to your body. My main beef is with those who deem it appropriate to those who can't consent legally by law for a procedure when there is no immediate need for it to happen. (I make an exception for Phimosis). (Saying it makes it cleaner is only true if you have no access to clean running water, live in a desert, no access to antibiotics, etc).
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you think it's okay for parents to get their babies/toddlers piercings?
Thisis___speaking ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:54:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Age is somewhat irrelevant. Plenty of cultures already practice body alterations on younger children, just wondering where the line is drawn.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:16:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
sure but you're also engaging in the false equivalency op was talking about
Nate-Dawg-Not-A-Rapr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:45:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point that I am trying to make is that whether or not they are equivalent is irrelevant as both instances deny the child to bodily integrity. Most of the factors that get in the way of them are religion, culture, societal norms and equivalency of mutilation (hence "Whether male or female"). You can't compare female and male circumcision because female circumcision is a lot more diverse and is varying in it's degree's, sure there is cross over with male, but not at all to a high degree. Does that mean that just because there is false equivalence we should focus on female more than male, or male more than female? Absolutely not; both need to be challenged and addressed to stop taking away the element of choice from a child that will eventually grow up in that body.
Edit - Changed 'both' to 'them'
93ImagineBreaker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:31:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are four types of female circumcision and male circumcision is more widely accepted and isn't banned as much.
kreynlan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm familiar with male circumcision because it's extremely common in the US, but I'm not too familiar with the female equivalent. Why is it so different and generally looked upon as mutilation?
ColorMeStunned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:29:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it involves partial to total removal of the clitoris in order to "take away the temptation" of sex.
Male circumcision has absolutely nothing to do with trying to make sex painful for boys, but that's the goal of female circumcision. Not just the lack of a clitoris, which makes sex less pleasurable, but the scar tissue that makes it intensely painful. Oh, and it's done when the girl is seven or so, rather than when she's a baby, with no anesthesia.
kreynlan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shit, yeah that's bad.
ColorMeStunned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some even take it a step further and sew the entire vaginal opening shut, only to be opened for sex with the girl's husband. None of this is typically done by a medical professional, either.
Female Genital Mutilation is one of the widest-spread silent injustices on the planet, undergone by over 80% of girls in Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Mali, Guinea, Sierra Leone, etc.
EVILEMU ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Shadowex3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:31:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The penis is a self-cleaning mucous membrane, just like the vulva and vagina. Mutilation doesn't keep it "clean" anymore than removing the eyelid keeps the eye "clean" by allowing it to dry out and scar over.
ceelo_purple ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:52:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any surgery - however minor - carries some level of risk. Therefore circumcision should not be carried out unless it's medically necessary.
Every person has the right to bodily autonomy. Therefore we should avoid making physical alterations to children when they're too young to consent.
Are the consequences of male circumcision as severe as FGM? No, but when you're talking about performing an unnecessary surgery on a kid too young to consent, it's not enough to say "I don't see a reason not to". I feel like you need to have a really fucking compelling reason to do it at all.
EVILEMU ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:19:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, well put.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:46:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im not sure if my friend had her son circumcised (I think it's a little weird to ask about your friends baby's genitals) but if she did it would be because she's a CNA and has had to clean uncircumcised penis once the owner is incapable. One man was capable and they thought he had been cleaning himself properly but somehow he got an infection under the skin, I'm going to stop there because it's just awful what happened.
The home wasn't quite sure how that happened so it's possible he was putting stuff in there and that's how it happened but I wouldn't blame my friend for circumcising after that.
ceelo_purple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, nurses have the worst stories, don't they? My friend was an ER nurse and used to come home from work every day with awful stories. I remember one about some girl who'd given herself a horrific bacterial infection by leaving a tampon in for a dangerously long time. (I asked how people even manage that. Like doesn't the string remind them every time they wipe or shower? She said that in tbis case, the girl had managed to insert the tampon upside down while she was drunk. The mind boggles.)
As far as I know, though, my friend hasn't dealt with the experience by banning her daughter from using tampons, just by teaching her the importance of basic hygiene.
DemeaningSarcasm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:37:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hm.
Two points.
My main problem with male circumcision is (and saying as a guy who is circumsized now), if someone told me at the age of 25 that I should get circumsized, I would say fuck no. This by itself already says that it's not the best thing in the world. And why would you want to make that decision for someone else. If at a much later age with more experience my answer to your question, whatever it may be, is a resounding no, then I shouldn't apply that standard to someone else who can't make that decision.
Second, but a more philosophical argument. If I just so happen to beat you within an inch if your life, put you into the ICU, gave you the best surgery and plastic surgery in the world, and I erased that part of your memory...did it actually happen? And more over, was what I did amoral? For that matter, does the act even matter so long as you show no physical damage in the future or mental scars?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic in my second point. Because I don't have the answer to that either.
prodiver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:22:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So if one of your hands was amputated by a doctor at birth, for no reason, you'd be ok with that?
If not, what about a single finger?
How small does the body part have to be before it's wrong to cut if off for no reason?
Lokmann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Say that to the kid who contracted herpes from his rabbi.
Fuego_pants ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:19:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In addition to the other reasons listed below on why it's not necessary, I understand it can lead to sexual issues. As in the foreskin is meant to protect the sensitive tip of the penis, and once it has been cut away, it exposes the head to contant stimulation. That can lead to desensitizing.
Shadowex3 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:39:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it's a lot more than that. The foreskin protects sensitive tissues, mucous membranes, and contains virtually all the erogenous nerves in the penis. The least sensitive part of an unmutilated penis is more sensitive than the most sensitive part of a mutilated penis.
Its removal completely changes everything down to how the penis functions during intercourse, leading to sexual dysfunction for both men and women.
Fuego_pants ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:44:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Word. Thank you for adding so much more to what I had only vague knowledge of!
Shadowex3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
everyone has only a vague knowledge of it. We've normalized male genital mutilation to such an extent that most doctors don't even know that until puberty the foreskin is attached to the glans the same way your fingernail is attached to your finger.
dc972016 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:21:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because its bits of my dick cut off either in the name of superstitous gobbledygook or just because. I'm sure its easier to keep your hands clean if you fucking amputate those.
quilladdiction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
TIL that's a thing. Not even fully sure what that entails and I'm already cringing.
cadaversangria ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:54:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a common cultural practice amongst a few countries. Rarely performed in a sanitary medical setting. It involves cutting of the clitoris, usually without anesthesia or any kind of painkiller, and is done much later in life than male circumcision. Some nasty infections can happen, and many women who were victims of the practice can die during childbirth in their later lives.
Diabetesh ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:45:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a man but my imaginary clit hurt reading that.
cadaversangria ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:18:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
8000 nerve endings. As in twice as many as the penis has.
Shadowex3 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:34:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
8000 nerve endings, as in less than half as many as an unmutilated penis has in the structures of the Ridged Band, contained within the foreskin.
People's utter ignorance about the actual structures and anatomy of the penis is a huge part of the problem. The foreskin isn't just some random piece of skin, it's a complex set of tissues that performs multiple functions and contains virtually all the nerve endings in the penis as well as the protective functions it performs for the sensitive (and like the vagina self cleaning) mucous membranes underneath. Its removal is equivalent to the removal of the clitoral hood, clitoris, and labia.
spacecanucks ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:03:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It gets worse. There are types where they cut the labia off, remove the clitoris fully, sew up the vaginal entrance. The sewing type is often broken only when she marries and is sometimes done by simply forcing the penis through the stitches until they come out.
Last but not least is the type where they cut the wall between the anus and the vagina so that the woman is helpless and ill from the infections. It also hugely increases her chance of dying during labor.
source: 'The Cruel Cut'
Shadowex3 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:41:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a recognized form of FGM according to the WHO, and the overwhelming majority of FGM is the least invasive forms which actually remove less tissue and nerve endings than MGM.
spacecanucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That isn't true. 40% of teenage girls undergo Type II FGM; which involves the partial or total removal of the Clitoris and the Labia minora. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the clitoris is one of the main places women derive pleasure from during sex. The next largest minority is Type 1, which is removal of the clitoris and the clitoral hood.
As if that wasn't shitty enough, around 10% of women suffer from chronic infection as a result of FGM and 40% experience chronic bleeding.
In no way is MGM more severe than FGM. FGM causes nothing but harm and has a huge complication rate. It's often performed in much less hygienic circumstances.
Why is it so important that MGM be considered more severe? It's not. MGM is largely an issue of ethics as the side effects from it are nowhere in the same league and most studies have concluded that it almost has no effect either way.
Just because it isn't in the same league, that doesn't mean it isn't fucked up. No child should have needless cosmetic things done without their consent, especially since things can go badly wrong.
Shadowex3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:53:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's exactly what I just said. You just agreed with me. The majority by far is composed of Type II, which is almost 1:1 comparable to the removal of virtually all nerve endings in the penis as well as the functional structures of the foreskin and the mucous membranes inside, and Type I, which is less tissue removal than MGM.
I am quite certain you're unaware of this but the foreskin is not just "skin", it contains virtually all of the nerve endings in the penis and is a vital part of the proper function of the penis during intercourse as well as an important protective barrier for the sensitive tissues inside (which are comparable to the inside of an eyelid or the vaginal walls).
And victims of male genital mutilation in those countries, which is often carried out after publicly beating and stripping the victim, just plain die.
MGM causes nothing but harm and also has a huge complication rate when carried out under the same non-sterile and barbaric conditions prevalent in undeveloped countries. There are lower "obvious" complications such as infection, sepsis, and death in the west but it's still not a safe procedure, it's still genital mutilation, and it still has profound impact on sexual function to say nothing of being an abhorrent human rights violation.
That MGM is common under the brutal conditions of sub-saharan africa and the middle east and the sterile conditions of the west is not a point in your favor, you're literally saying "Well MGM happens vastly more often in both undeveloped nations AND the west".
Why is it so important that MGM be erased, minimized, outright mocked and scorned ("penisfeelz"), and its profound medical side effects completely ignored? Why is it so important to utterly monopolize human rights as if they were zero sum? Why can you and other feminists, and it's telling that I can identify you as one purely by your profound hostility towards recognizing the severity and harm of MGM, not accept the facts?
MGM is just as medically harmful and disruptive of proper function as FGM and when you compare apples-to-apples, ie victims in undeveloped nations to victims in undeveloped nations, the rates of death and deformity are at minimum even. It's only when you make an improper apples-to-oranges comparison of victims of FGM from undeveloped countries to victims of MGM in developed countries that you get such skewed results.
Just because it happens to boys doesn't mean it isn't in the same league.
spacecanucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:47 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Okay, I'll bite. Type 1 and type 2 involve the removal of most, if not all of the clitoris. The clitoris is roughly equivalent to the head of a man's penis and has many more nerve endings AND is the main source of pleasure for the majority of women during intercourse.
You're arguing that the foreskin is equivalent to that but it isn't. There is no study anywhere which suggests the foreskin is as vital as a clitoris for sexual pleasure. Circumcision has been found to not impact sexual health, function, sensitivity or sensation. I can give you a link to an excellent review of the high quality circumcision studies.
As long as people keep acting like it's worse or precisely as bad (in the US), you're going to get nowhere with trying to get a barbaric religious/cultural practice changed. Lying about how severe it is makes people immediately more likely to dismiss your claims. It's not 'important' to minimize or mock it, but it is important to see it as a separate issue.
Also, very few people talking about circumcision are talking about MGM in Africa and the ME. The majority of people are campaigning about the US version and it's dishonest to try and equate the two. None of the organizations I can find mention it as anything more than a side note.
Circumcision in the US is largely done out of tradition and misinformation, e.g believe it helps maintain hygiene.
MGM in Africa and the ME is often associated with religion and tribal identities, as well as being a rite of passage into adulthood. It also gets forced upon people because of the mistaken belief that it makes infection with HIV less likely.
FGM is done for the same reasons and has the same effects no matter where it is performed. You can't address FGM in other countries without educating the countries and cultures the women come from, as many of them simply take their children to other countries and have it done. That is why it's such a big campaign.
OTOH if you had a US family move to the UK, their child would not end up circumcised because it's not done automatically. Said family wouldn't take a trip to the US just to have it done.
I'm not saying that MGM isn't bad, just that the majority of people who act like circumcision is just as bad are US born. They're talking about US circumcision. They're talking about US values. They're not talking or caring about little boys in Africa being forcibly circumcised under the guise of HIV management. Those little boys only get trotted out to make US circumcision seem worse.
I checked a whole bunch of charities hoping I was wrong, but the discussion is literally only about the US. You're acting like it's people just being dismissive, but US circumcision really isn't in the same league as FGM. MGM in Africa does have similar infection issues, although the problems are acute rather than chronic. This is because these practices aren't done in hygienic places.
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:05 on June 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
This is a misunderstanding born of ignorance and dishonest arguments by people hell bent on monopolizing victimhood and treating human rights like a zero sum game. The clitoris is not equivalent to the head of the penis, the foreskin is. The foreskin contains virtually all of the nerve endings in the penis, at least 20,000 that we know of, as well as performing vital functions during intercourse and protecting the mucous membranes of the glans outside of sex. The glans is equivalent both in function and in tissue type to the first inch or two of the vaginal canal. It is not naturally a dry wrinkly fleshy bit of skin, it is a moist (and self-cleaning!) mucous membrane just like the vaginal wall.
The problem is a combination of near universal total ignorance as well as deliberate dishonest misinformation has led to the overwhelming majority of people, doctors included, not having the first flipping clue about how an unmutilated penis functions.
This ignorance is so great that even many (if not most) doctors don't know that until puberty the foreskin is attached to the glans by the same method your fingernail is attached to your finger.
I've already linked you to a good dozen studies proving otherwise right off the top of my head, and further research will no doubt yield more. By definition any study purporting to claim that circumcision is harmless and the foreskin is not a vital part of the penis, necessary for the proper natural function of it during intercourse, is not "high quality". The impact of genital mutilation on men is so profound that it changes the entire nature of intercourse and function of the penis during it, including interactions with the vagina.
As I said: The effects of a near total lack of education combined with constant outright misinformation by the pro-mutilation/anti-male crowd. People who mock men for "whining about penisfeelz" and commit felonies to stop them from even talking or organizing to deal with things are not a good source of "high quality" information.
"If you ingrates don't shut up about you deserve people ignoring you!
Only to people who base their entire ideology on the idea that only women are victims and men are only ever privileged oppressors, and need to completely monopolize all forms of victimhood and discourse as part of that.
People who see men as full human beings don't need to treat genital mutilation as a "seperate issue" from genital mutilation. It's fucking genital mutilation. You don't get to say "Genital mutilation is a horrific human rights violation unless you do it to boys then it's just a bit of skin and it's totally fine except for it being a bit unethical" and pretend you actually care about genital mutilation, or that you're a decent human being.
If you do that you're proving that you don't actually give a shit about genital mutilation as long as it's done to the right people.
To paraphrase something someone once said about rape victims: If talking about genital mutilation "derails" from your discussion of genital mutilation then you weren't talking about it in the first place.
This is completely incorrect. They're talking about genital mutilation in africa AND how it's incredibly widespread and nearly routine even in the west on top of that. That doesn't make male genital mutilation "better" or less of a problem, it makes it worse.
MGM is done in the US because of the quack beliefs of Dr. Kellogg and others that masturbation was profoundly evil and unhealthy, and the very accurate belief that mutilating boys' genitals by removing virtually all nerve endings and tissue vital to the natural function of the penis during masturbation and intercourse they would strongly curb pleasure and sexual behavior.
Dr. Kellogg also pionered burning off clitorises with acid. The difference is nobody gives a fuck about boys human rights but people actually care about girls.
That second one is the major reason it's performed in Africa right now, and you can thank western countries for pushing male genital mutilation as a "protective" measure against HIV. In fact you can specifically thank the pro-mutilation quacks that published your "high quality studies".
Meanwhile you can get MGM done right here at home, which if you actually cared about genital mutilation itself instead of only caring about who it's done to would mean stopping it right here at home would be very, very, very low hanging fruit. If I were to take you at your word then by your own logic there should be an army of feminists outside every single doctor's office protesting male genital mutilation. I mean you can get thousands of people for slutwalks and rapes that never even happened (University of Virginia, Mattress Girl), you can't get people to care about babies having their genitals mutilated right next door?
No they'd just ask for it and still get it performed right there in the UK. Also doctors still perform circumcisions in the UK, it's just slightly less common for them to suggest it as a routine practice.
That's exactly what you're saying. You're going to extraordinary lengths to minize the harms it cause, spread misinformation about the structures of the penis, and ignore the fundamental importance of the foreskin to the function of the penis.
Your entire position can be summed up as "there's nothing wrong with mutilation boys' genitals except nobody asked them first".
Again this is completely and totally wrong. People are focusing on stopping it right here at home because their own sons are being mutilated against their parents' consent just because the other parent (invariably the mother) decided they wanted it done. When a human rights violation is being committed right next door there's nothing wrong with starting right then and there and working from stopping it in your own backyard, where you actually have political rights and authority as a citizen, before going international.
The irony is this is the number one bait-and-switch tactic of feminists, to use women in other less developed countries as an excuse to say women in the west are oppressed and then to throw those women under the bus when they're done with them. You're describing your own side's tactics here.
If FGM were performed in America it would be exactly the same as MGM performed in America. You're not seeing chronic problems from men in Africa because the men in africa don't live long enough. The fact is nobody cares if men die in Africa. 200 girls get kidnapped and the entire world grinds to a halt, the First Lady of the United States of America gets on twitter to demand their return. The fact their male classmates were burned to death doesn't even register on anyone's radar, most people didn't even know they existed in the first place.
What you think supports your efforts to minimize MGM actually proves my point for me: MGM is performed more than FGM, here in the west AND in Africa/etc, and while women get long-term medical care the men are just left to die in the street.
spacecanucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:49:30 on June 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You honestly just seem like you can't admit that you're wrong when it comes to this. From what I can see, so many people have given you countless arguments and evidence against your position and you're stubbornly holding on.
You haven't backed up any of your claims and as far as I can tell from researching the subject, there is no negative effect on the penis post-foreskin removal. There is no loss of sexual function, pleasure or sensation. I say this coming from a country where it just doesn't exist, it's less than 2% of men.
That's the thing, you act like it's a huge deal beyond ethics. It isn't. It has no negative long term effects, provided it is done properly. If you removed the clitoris in an American hospital, you'd destroy pretty much all sexual pleasure for the girl in question. That just doesn't happen with circumcision. So don't try and argue that FGM would just as humane.
And honestly, yes. My position is that it's human rights violation because non-essential, optional cosmetic surgeries should be consented to as an adult and not as a parent. There is the risk of complication and the risk that the person wouldn't have wanted it and they have the right to CHOICE.
But it does no long term damage. It doesn't impair function. There is no evidence that it makes sex less pleasurable. Or that it makes sex more dangerous. It's cosmetic and akin to removing the inner labia lips. People choose to get both done and that is their right.
To be honest, it's an issue with a majority of movements. Just look at environmental statistics if you compare China v the USA v Europe.
You can make things seem really terrible if you use foreign statistics and you can use them to make a bigger point. FGM in Africa is much worse because of poor hygiene. MGM is much worse because of poor hygiene.
As for the fact that the treatment of boys doesn't register as strongly, it's deeply sad. It's awful. It happens to just about every group, though. Nobody gives a shit that there are little boys being forced into being soldiers in Somalia.
Nobody cares that when the UN interferes with countries, child prostitution rates go way up. Nobody cares that there are several countries in South America coming close to collapse. Nobody cares that ocean creatures are dying off in their millions. Nobody cares that there is a state with functioning death camps.
It's not an institutional hatred of boys or girls which causes news stories to get no attention. It's the media. They decide what is news and for how long. People can't get riled up if they haven't even heard of the news story. If the poor treatment of boys in foreign countries is something you want to pay attention to, then bring it to peoples attention.
FWIW, I hadn't heard about the burning. It's tragic that it didn't register. Someone, somewhere should have made it a big deal.
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:33 on June 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Science denialism is not "countless arguments and evidence".
I haven't backed up my claims? I've repeatedly cited a good dozen studies just from superficial research.
First off your idea of researching the subject is to refer to pro-genital mutilation quacks that push the HIV transmission woowoo.
Secondly once again that's completely, utterly, and abjectly wrong. The foreskin contains virtually all erogenous nerves in the penis, protects what few nerves are on the penis itself from keratinization (ie getting covered in scar tissue), protects the sensitive mucous membranes of the glans and inner foreskin, and is a vital part of the proper function of the penis during intercourse. It not only provides stimulation to both men and women but is a fundamental part of the mechanical action of intercourse itself.
You're removing about 20,000 nerve endings from the penis, allowing the mucous membranes on it to dry out and completely scar over with keratinized tissue, and completely destroying the mechanical function of the penis during intercourse.
It's like going from a 4K HD monitor to an old black and white television from the 50s or, alternatively, removing the clitoris and labia and allowing the vagina to keratinize from lack of protection.
Already gave you a good dozen studies proving otherwise.
Yknow what happens when people try to talk about boys and men? Mob violence. Shootings. Ostracization and abuse.
And yet no one in the mainstream did. And anyone who tried was viciously attacked for "derailing" from the girls.
Shadowex3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same places that perform FGM also beat men, strip them naked, and use rusty blades or broken glass to mutilate them in the street as well.
SmileAndLaughrica ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:40:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're interested in it, I'd recommend the film Desert Flower. It explores the culture and it's effects on women. FGM, it's worth noting, doesn't just involve the cutting off of the clitoris in some cases (like the other user said) - it can also, in some cultures, involve sewing the entrance to the vagina closed once the labia is removed, apart from a very small hole, typically done by leaving a twig or some other small object to stop the wound from closing. When the woman is (typically) married, the husband opens the vagina with a knife.
Yeah, not nice at all...
night-wing-politics ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:56:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just depressing. I just can't understand why people would put their daughter through that. :(
SmileAndLaughrica ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:05:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is. They do it because they think it's needed for a woman to be pure, and to prove how pure she is - her husband will be the first person to penetrate her, because it'd be impossible for anyone else to do it without the cutting, which'd leave physical evidence. Of course it's barbaric, but that's the reasoning :(
steadyasthepenisdrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god. The reddit hivemind's ignorance absolutely shocks me sometimes. Thank you for not being an idiot...
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, the ignorance is shocking. Just not in the way you and other mutilation defenders and apologists mean.
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not unreasonable to downvote someone for minimizing and erasing the harms of mutilating boys genitals. The overwhelming majority of female genital cutting removes part of the clitoral hood or clitoris, which is directly comparable to the removal of virtually all erogenous nerve tissue from the penis and exposure of the underlying mucous membranes (which leads to keratinization of what few nerves remain). MGM is the medical equivalent of the removal of the clitoris, clitoral hood, and labia. Climax and "normal" intercourse are still possible but sexual function is significantly disturbed and there's a whole lot of other problems caused by the loss of functional tissues.
"Circumcision" apologia is rooted in utter ignoranceof the actual structures and functions of the tissues involved and the profound effects of their removal. The foreskin isn't some flap of skin, it's a complex structure that contains virtually all the nerves of the penis and protects the mucous membranes inside. The glans is like the inside of your eyelid, or the inside of the vagina, it's not just "skin". The ridged band is filled with thousands upon thousands of nerve endings, just like the clitoris.
And this is just staying with the medical facts, it's not getting into the moral aspect of mutilating a child's genitals without consent.
DonDiDan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It depends on a type. Or are you saying that removing skin that is analogous to foreskin is much, much worse than removing foreskin?
Edit: Mind you, I'm not saying that any type of circumcision without consent for non-medical reason is okay.
nilikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Female circumcision runs the gamut from tiny ritual nick of the prepuce to complete removal of the external clitoris and labia and infibulation (sewing the vaginal opening almost entirely shut). Obviously, only removal of clitoral prepuce would be analogous to removal of penile prepuce (foreskin). The majority of female circumcision is much more physically devastating than (relatively) simple prepuce removal.
Shadowex3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The overwhelming majority of FGM is of the least invasive types, and the foreskin is not simply "skin", it's a multi-layered complex piece of tixxue containing virtually all of the erogenous tissues of the penis and protecting the underlying mucous membrances.
Removing the foreskin is equivalent to removing the clitoral hood, clitoris, and labia.
nilikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The foreskin is the penile prepuce. The clitoral hood is the clitoral prepuce. They are literally the exact same differentiated tissue, with the only difference being surface area. Removing the clitoris is analgous to removing the glans penis. Removing labia is analogous to removing the scrotal sac. These analogues form from the same tissues prior to external genital differentiation in utero.
Furthermore, I never claimed that prepuce is simply skin. I used a more common term in order to communicate to a wider audience. I am aware that most people minimize the harm of MGM, but I personally believe that all elective, cosmetic genital procedures done to minors without consent are ethically indefensible. I have an intact son and advocate for all children to have bodily autonomy.
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's an irrelevant point, they may have the same foetal origins but they are vastly different in final structure and nature. The clitoral hood does not contain virtually the entirety of female erogenous nerve endings and its removal does not profoundly alter the entire function of the female genitalia.
The foreskin contains virtually the entirety of male erogenous tissue, protects a substantial portion of the penis, and is vital to the proper natural function of the penis during intercourse.
Its removal is analagous in terms of impact, nerve loss, and functionality to the removal of the clitoral hood, clitoris, and labia; leaving only the bare vagina and what little unprotected and increasingly keratinized nerves remain.
nilikon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:45:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What you are describing is almost complete removal of erogenous tissue. This is comparable to removing the penis. A keratinized glans still has nerve endings, albeit compromised. A completely removed clitoris is insensate or solely painful entirely.
A vagina devoid of external genitalia is in no way comparable to a keratinized glans. A majority of women are unable to achieve orgasm without clitoral stimulation. Are you suggesting that a majority of circumcised males are unable to achieve orgasm?
Shadowex3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:46:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly like the near complete removal of erogenous and functional tissue that male genital mutilation results in. I don't see what's so hard for you to understand about this.
No, it's not, not at all. The hypothetical female victim in this case still has a fully functional vagina and reproductive tract, she simple has had virtually all nerve endings removed as well as important external structures. Just like a male victim of genital mutilation.
There's non-trivial body of research on the significant impairment of sexual function male genital mutilation causes.
nilikon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:53:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm about done with this. Victims of mgm do not (nearly universally) experience pain as a result of sex and are (nearly universally) able to reach orgasm. Clitoridectomy is equivalent to chopping off the head of the penis. Prepuce is prepuce. I don't know why you think the vagina is equivalent to the penis, because it is not enervated to the same degree as external erogenous tissue. We agree that mgm is disgusting, but you've got to make it worse than complete removal of female external genetalia. This isn't going to go anywhere.
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your argument is as proposterous as claiming that removing a male breast is indistinguishable from removing a female breast just because both have the same foetal origins. It's absurd on its face to anyone with the presence of mind to recognize that while they may have a common origin during foetal development they are fundamentally different in their end result.
"Prepuce" is not "prepuce", the clitoris and labia remain even if the clitoral hood is removed. If the foreskin is removed then the entire function of the penis is fundamentally altered, its mucous membranes exposed and subsequently keratinized, and virtually all nerve endings removed. That is fundamentally different than the removal of merely the clitoral hood, and is comparable only to an equivalent destruction of fundamental functions and removal of virtually all nerve endings.
ZeeDrakon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you're not wrong, but you're making a completely irrelevant point so I can see why people would downvote it.
ZeeDrakon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you're not wrong, but you're making a completely irrelevant point so I can see why people would downvote it.
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The-Gothic-Castle ยท 99 points ยท Posted at 15:40:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fat is where most of the flavor is. You were probably downvoted either by health-kick redditors or ones who don't know food.
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RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:11:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people knock on people who like their steaks well done? Before you accuse me of liking my steak well done, let me tell you I don't. However, I don't shit on people for eating food how they want to eat it.
They pay for it and they cook it, so who gives a fuck how they like to eat it?
Aquahawk911 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:24:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The bigger issue is when they ask for it well done, but then turn around and say it's tough, dry, and generally bad. I work in a restaurant and I literally just saw this happen yesterday.
AprilMaria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the breed of cattle.
InfanticideAquifer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:20:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So stop offering well done as an option if you can't make it? It shouldn't be tough or dry.
SuperSmith_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it's lean and well done it's going to be tough and dry. That's all I'm saying.
BerryScaryTerry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:20:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Often, the people who say they like theirs well done tend to talk shit about people who eat their steak "bloody and raw", which can eventually get irritating. Also the popular opinion of professional chefs and food enthusiasts is that a good steak is best cooked below well done
terraphantm ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:20:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find the opposite is much more common. Food snobs calling well done steaks shoe leather and such.
For the record I like medium rare steaks. But if someone wants to eat well done, why not? Maybe they prefer the taste, maybe they're immune compromised and would prefer not to take a risk. Who am I to judge?
Bowsersshell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well done eater here, I prefer the taste and I don't really like "juicy" meat, I much prefer drier meat that's well seasoned. I a big fan of pepper sauce on my steak too
Baublehead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People on reddit seem to think a well done steak is charcoal when it's actually just cooked all the way through.
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:51:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Popular opinion doesn't matter. It's just that, an opinion. Professional chefs and food enthusiasts aren't paying for my dinner, so quite frankly, I don't give a fuck what they think about my food. If I like it, I'll eat it.
And I see way more so called 'foodies' shitting on people for liking well done than the other way around. It's like they're so fucking far up their own ass because they learned to sous vide last night that anyone who likes anything different is surely a peasant.
bc2zb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once saw a chef give a very well written response to this and I will try to paraphrase:
It's not opinion really, filet mignon tastes best when served rare to medium, and brisket/chuck taste best when served well done. Again the sushi example, the sushi chef doesn't ask you what doneness you'd like your fish. A pasta chef doesn't ask you how cooked you want your pasta. I think steaks just happen to be one of the few foods where there are multiple levels of doneness. I get it that a person should be allowed to buy whatever they want unmolested about it, but I think that there should be more of a dialogue when it comes to things like well done filet. Less language along the lines of, "Sir, we do not do that here" or "Are you sure?" More language along the lines of, "Sir, if you prefer well done meat, may I suggest one of our braised dishes?"
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:56:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is opinion. How can you say it isn't opinion? Tastes vary. Some people don't like certain foods because of texture. Some don't like because of taste. Are you going to tell someone who doesn't like mushrooms that their opinion on mushrooms isn't an opinion? I mean, really..
And honestly, if I went to a restaurant, ordered something and someone gave me the last line.. I'd get up and leave. It's insulting.
At the end of the day, the steak is still sold, so does it really matter? Nope.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, sometimes you want a steak but you're pregnant and don't want to risk food poisoning.
GenderGambler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is and isn't opinion at the same time.
Like, it's a fact that different meat cuts have different tastes and textures. But the more done it is, the less difference the cuts have between each other. A well-done filet mignon is almost indistinguishable from a well-done round beef. But the former has better taste and texture when cooked rare.
There is nothing wrong in preferring well done over rare. But using a noble cut like filet mignon is a waste in that regard, considering you could achieve the same taste and texture with a less desirable (and thus, cheaper) cut.
darkjesusfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a cheep steak and an expensive steak taste about the same when well done. It annoys chefs that people would spend 40-50 dollars on a steak that will taste the same as one you could find in a cheep meats bin for 5 dollars.
I think people misinterpret the frustration chefs feel when the potential of a dish is squandered and take it to mean all well done steaks are bad.
Tybob51 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:46:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nazis.
KnightInDulledArmor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hydra.
Eptar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hydra Nazis.
OverlordQuasar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He probably meant he didn't want one of those steaks with a lot of fat that is somewhat separated from the meat. Where parts of the steak are essentially globs of fat.
SuperSmith_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like to cut that part off and lay it on any leftover steak when reheating it.
jopnk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one varies tho, he probably had never had a really good steak. I really hate when there's a massive hunk of fat attached to the side of my steak, I usually cut it off and give it to my dog. BUT, a steak that is fully marbled with fat? Give that to me rare and I'll eat it before you can blink.
astrobeans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:52:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get why people hate on well-done steaks. I like mine medium rare and no one ever questions it, my friend orders it well done and they treat it like he murdered their cats.
tighemyshoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably coats it in ketchup too.
Swissgiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh I think I see where he could be coming from, somtimes you get a bad cut and it's not as well layered.
SuperSmith_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was saying lean beef is always better. No exceptions.
hulkbro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And yet kobe beef is highly prized and has plenty of fat
Swissgiant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh that I personally disagree with.
notacareerserver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhhh give me a medium rare steak with a great fat line every time. My fiancรฉ has family in Nebraska and they brought this absolutely amazing prime rib down when they visited. I teased them that Nebraska can't have better beef than Texas, but Jesus Christ. The marbling in that thing. Mouthwatering.
ApatheticTeenager ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nebraska beef is amazing. My family will go buy half a cow at once and use it throughout the year. Best hamburgers ever
TanksAllFoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me if highschool. My agriculture 101 class had a TA that started with "know what makes food good? Fat."
FreeToiletPaper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can I ask a question?
I find chunks of fat to be disgusting. Do better cuts have it throughout? My family always made steaks super well done, and now that I'm out o my own, I'm trying to learn the proper way to eat and make them. Because I love steak.
SuperSmith_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It won't be chunks of fat in a good steak. It will be small streaks of fat running throughout the meat. After you cook it you won't have troubling chewing or cutting marbled meat like you do with a chunk of fat. Google marbled steak. And for fun google kobe beef.
TwistingtheShadows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well maybe he was pretty pissed off that you just told him what he wants?
ThegreatPee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With Catchup.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's a difference between "a fatty steak" and a good steak with fat on it. I hate steaks that I have to sit there trying to cut around all the fat to get to the meat
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone hates Prime Rib!
flamedarkfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well done steak is fucking shoe leather.
xXx_WeedBlzr_420_xXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking casual.
DrProfScience ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:52:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you politely bit firmly ask him to leave?
SuperSmith_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He sold butane as well. Hwhat do you think I did?
DrProfScience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did this gentleman happen to be from New York City?
SuperSmith_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. And he was a member of an organization that promotes love and peace.
DrProfScience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Those got dang liberals.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Totally. I understand eating healthily - better for your wellbeing etc. but that's squished to a fuckery if it compromises on taste. I love good food. Indulgence should be a treat, don't ruin the steak!
pazimpanet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely not mutually exclusive.
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a healthy person by any means but I hate the fat on steak simply because of the texture. Feels like I'm eating a slug.
Thisis___speaking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or even worse, people who like their steaks well-done.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong, I HATE it when the fat is really thick, I can't stand that. It ruins the steak for me, but light thin marbling (hell even heavy marbling, as long as it's thin, so it melts away when cooked medium rare) that's perfect.
And I couldn't downvote you for that.
SuperSmith_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, it meant marbling. Not huge chunks of fat scattered everywhere.
vimescarrot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do find it bizarre that the Wikipedia article cites marbling in steak as being a factually good thing, instead of just an opinion - as if it's totally impossible to prefer it without...
Rib-I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, it's called marbling, that guy is just a moron.
Zinouweel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
WOW. I exclusively eat very dry, overcooked meat with very little fat (it's just how I like it, it's awful I know) and I wouldn't downvote that lmao
grumpnotso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe people were thinking of the kind of thick whitish/transparent fat that forms on a steak.
JMS230 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fat is my favourite part of a steak and everyone always seems to make fun of me for it. I don't get it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:59:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cousin gets well done steak, which is fine in my opinion, it's how he likes it, but cuts out the fat, calling it gristle. I facepalm every time
GinzoKazama ยท 307 points ยท Posted at 14:01:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Argued with people that found marijuana legalization was more important than immigration reform.
I know Reddit is an uphill battle when it comes to weed, but that's a little insane.
esameraguey ยท 260 points ยท Posted at 14:21:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made the point that marijuana was nowhere near as dangerous as alcohol but that it is not some sort of health supplement like most people want it to be around here, and that eventually they will be able to show marijuana actually does take a negative toll on your health, although probably not as high a toll as other drugs.
That went well.
SweatPantsDerek ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 18:35:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Smoking anything isnt good for you! From Vaping to hookah. People do tend to support smoking over other issues, while I totally agree with them, youre right. There are many many more important issues facing our country
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:14:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I had a guy on Reddit demand sources when I challenged his assertion smoking marijuana is good for the pulmonary system. I wasn't on /r/trees, either. For fuck sake...
emanymdegnahc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:55:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The same thing happened to me too. The guy said that the marijuana actually reverses any of the damage to your lungs and that smoking it was totally fine and beneficial.
Questioningyourstory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Theres other ways to use marijuana besides smoking it
notasrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Small note: Vaping isn't smoking, as you're inhaling a vapor rather than smoke. Well, at least if you're using it right. (You might end up burning the wick if you're not careful about it.)
IncognitoBadass ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:58:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still bad for you tho.
notasrelevant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:47:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not completely harmless, but it's also not really comparable to things like smoking, hookah, etc. Research thus far has not shown any major concerns, but not vaping at all is better for you than vaping.
IncognitoBadass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:52:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like comparing apples and oranges...
notasrelevant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It kind of is. They're both inhaled forms of nicotine delivery. Other than that, they're completely different.
In cigarettes, it's tobacco being burned. In most cigarettes, there's tons of chemicals additives and multiple known carcinogens. In addition, there's a wealth of research linking smoking to a number of health conditions in addition to the whole cancer thing. Then there's other effects like discoloration of fingers, teeth and what many consider to be an offensive smell.
Vaping usually contains 2 main ingredients (vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol), nicotine and flavorings. This liquid is heated to create vapor, but does not burn under normal conditions. As of now, there's been no clear research linking any of these components causing increased risk of major health problems or cancer. There's also no issues with the discoloration and the smells are generally considered more appealing.
SweatPantsDerek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know why you were downvoted o.O I vape all the time, shit cant be good for you. Nowhere near as bad as cigarettes but still probably somewhat harmful
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:57:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The war on drugs/terror has cost your country more than you can imagine. There ARE many more important issues than smoking, but there are also more important issues than terrorism and drugs and people tend to support those issues a hell of a lot more than smoking.
NickisBig ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"our country"?
salt_and_pupper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
probably referring to their country and the person they were replying to
neverbuythesun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:10:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotten into it with people on here who claim driving high is acceptable and they can drive fine. No, you can't.
pharmaconaut ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:30:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, I smoke marijuana.
I once called it a drug, not a plant. Imagine how that went?
thenoblitt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted for stating Marijuana was safer than alcohol.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think there's research linking long term use to schizophrenia.
esameraguey ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:43:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure about that. I know that marijuana has the potential to "activate" schizophrenia in individuals with a family history and schizophrenia usually presents itself between teenage and mid to late 20's. More research will have to be done on the subject nevertheless.
Majike03 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It's a drug that alters someone's mind, and therefore it has different effects since there are so many differing minds. I get paranoid when I'm high (which also is the same as my bro/dad), but we definitely are not schizophrenics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, bro...you're just not using the right strain, bro.
Seen that so many times when someone says they don't like pot. If it doesn't help your pain or help you relax, it's only because you're not using the right kind. It's just not possible any appreciable number of humans see no benefit from marijuana, right?
mybustersword ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:32:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much, there is some evidence but it's more of a correlation. Most Schizophrenics also smoke cigarettes, but it isnt caused by it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that it's probably something that can cause the onset of schizophrenia to happen earlier than it might otherwise. I have a friend who is an identical twin. Brother started smoking weed in high school and bam, schizophrenia hits. My friend didn't start till college, but within a few months he had pretty bad schizophrenia.
Obviously that's an anecdote, but it's enough to make me suspicious.
mybustersword ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may be that their smoking started when they began to experience increased stress or anxiety, as that is known to be the onset of mental illness. Schizophrenia also usually has an onset in the early 20s, so again thats a correlation. If it's true, as it is also awfully convenient for you to have two identical twins that just happened to start smoking before the onset of schizophrenia. Either way your anecdotal evidence is nice to hear, but it's also spreading an idea that does not have a strong scientific basis. So, toke away. But if you are going to toke because you want to self medicate, don't do that without first seeing a professional
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I assure you it is true. I don't really have an agenda to push here. I don't care. But I only said anything because of the identical twin thing. Otherwise it would seem totally coincidental to me.
CMLMinton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what I understand, the jury's still out on that.
Even if it was definitive, that doesn't even come close to justifying the prohibition. Individuals who "contract" schizophrenia as a result of habitual use aren't aided in the slightest by being tossed in prison. They would be helped by proper regulation of the industry. People would make informed decisions about their own health. Nobody thinks about tossing tobacco smokers in prison, and the adverse effects of tobacco are much better understood and significantly more harmful to an individuals health.
eMOBnacs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats not true at all; no one just 'catches' schizophrenia. Using mind altering substances can have ill-effects on those who suffer; they may also speed up the progression/on-set for those that may not even know they have it yet.
LinguisticPenguin14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really care about marijuana in particular, but I do think that it sparks an interesting debate about your right to autonomy in general and the effect that just substance prohibition in general has on numerous issues.
It's just a shame people use it to completely sensationalise and exaggerate the other people's opinions. Compromise is a thing, and it's not accurate to generalise the whole crowd as unconditionally pro weed (in fact the in thing right now seems to be going the opposite direction).
I also do wish people would actually reinforce their arguments with at the very least pertinent sources. Sometimes it's hard to tell when someone's just pulling anecdotes straight out of thin air.
dc972016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't give a shit about any of that, I just think it isn't the states business. I can poison myself slowly if I want to, damnit!
TheSutphin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the resident weed smoker in my group. And i was arguing with my other 2 friends (out of 6 people in our group) that weed DEFINITELY has negative side effects and that alcohol is currently easier to get and they flipped the fuck out at me.
If someone smokes every single day for an extended period of time. They will definitely be different.
Wazula42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the pro-pot crowd has it in their heads that inhaling burning plant matter into your lungs is somehow good for you because sometimes it shrinks certain tumors. I mean, smoke away, but that's not how it works.
max81968 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did the math to show that it would take 8.5 million dollars of weed to kill you.
Shadowmant ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:20:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm all for legalizing it but I think that's flawed as you focus on OD'ing on weed.
What about smoking enough to develop cancer over a period of decades? What about just causing you a decrease in overall health?
notacareerserver ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:18:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I think most of the risks are associated with smoking it. Especially in blunts, where you're still getting tobacco with it. Inhaling smoke into your lungs just ain't great for em. Edibles seem to be the way to go.
Hodor_The_Great ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dying isn't easy, but there's a possibility of brain damage in long term use. Still better than alcohol tho
Bosses_Boss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My only thought to why you were downvoted alot is because the research being done now is on people usually with cancer so unfortunately it's rarely a long term study. But people like me may have a bias towards marijuana as a tool to fight cancer because a person you know used it to help their cancer treatment, like in my case, my cousin lived 2.5 years after given less than 6 months to live when he was diagnosed with an aggressive lung cancer.
I do agree, long term research needs to happen for a clear discussion on whether to consider it for more than just cancer patients. And to determine what recreational use does to the body long term. For example my cousins son is 22 and he has been smoking pot now for about 5 years with no stopping in sight. But in the same token, I have an auntie who smoked (cigarettes) her whole adult life with fair bit of dementia. Her mother, my grandmother 24 year older smoked when she was young, drank often when she was young and is healthy as can be.
So with that in the family I'm interested to see what happens to my cousin or me for that matter.
logopolys_ ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:06:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana legalization is important because successive possession charges are predatory against minorities. Plenty of states still have three strikes laws, where three counts of possessing a drug on par with alcohol can end up with crippling sentences. Combine that with the excess of money spent policing marijuana distribution and the dearth of tax money not being made... you can see why people might care more about a fixable social issue that costs more money than it's worth and leads to overcrowded prisons.
I don't even use any marijuana product and I think that it needs to be legalized. It's a winnable and worthwhile battle.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a good point. I agree with OP that immigration reform is very important but so is criminal justice reform, and we could go a long way in criminal justice reform through decriminalizing drugs, with the added benefit of financially hurting cartels.
And criminal justice reform can actually serve as a form of immigration reform, as a lot of people end up getting deported because of minor run-ins (like weed-related ones) with the criminal justice system.
YellowMinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about wether it's a problem worth addressing, is about a more pressing issue taking priority.
rattfink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are right. Also marijuana legalization is pretty black or white, you are either for it or against it.
Immigration reform on the other hand could mean a lot of things. When you just say we need reform people don't know whether you want to make it easier or harder to get in. Or whether or not you're talking about work visas, what to do with illegal immigrants, etc. there are a lot of different issues with immigration that one could be one very different sides of when you just talk about reform.
smitty153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I support marijuana legalization and everything but if you have 2 strikes on you, maybe you should try not breaking the law anymore.
logopolys_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:45 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I get busted for buying beer with a fake ID twice, should I face 20-life for getting busted a third time? That's the level of crime we're talking about: non-violent but illegal commerce.
smitty153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:55 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand its unreasonable punishment but if you know the consequences, why would you try it a third time?
logopolys_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:36 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you know the consequences, why would you try it the first time?
The issue is more about a lack of proportional response. Three strikes consequences escalate sentencing to unwarranted levels that do not match the crimes committed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think that's true, but I also think that immigration in the United States is messed up and there's no reason for it. I think that would be an issue that would be easy to solve and would stop people living like second class citizens, being mistreated by factory or packing plant managers who then start thinking it's ok to treat EVERYONE with brownish skin badly, and people not being able to get drivers licenses. When people are forced to drive without drivers licenses it's bad for everyone.
And where I live in Iowa we need the immigrants. White people are leaving and the birth rate is low and dropping. I think marijuana legalization makes sense, but I also don't think it would stop police from disproportionately targeting black people.
IncognitoBadass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:00:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana legalization is easier to accomplish than immigration reform.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:26:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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IncognitoBadass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:29:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a plan.
TechnoRaptor ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:28:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who said brown skinned people are being treated badly? What makes you an authority on people of Brown skin. 4chan posts don't count as a source
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just talking about my town, mostly. There's a lot of illegal immigrants who work at the meat packing plant and factory in town, and it's well-known that they are paid less and treated worse than non-illegal immigrants. Sometimes supervisors assume anyone who looks kind of Hispanic is an illegal immigrant and treat them poorly regardless of whether they are. That is also something people talk about.
TechnoRaptor ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:46:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they should be paid less since they dont pay taxes, and those that have citizenship should have the benifit of earning more to deal with taxation.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:12:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
They want to pay taxes, and if legal immigration were easier, they would. That is part of why I think immigration reform is important. At the very least it needs to become easier to apply for asylum and the U.S. should take in more refugees- it sets quotas, and then the paperwork just doesn't get processed for that many people. There were a pair of children near me who fled violence in Central America and ended up in my state. They clearly shouldn't have been sent back, but it was only thanks to a lot of free legal work (that is not available to everyone who needs it) that they weren't.
UCFJoe2 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment will end up being my answer for this thread I'm sure but: possession charges are for whoever the hell is possessing and has absolutely nothing to do with being a minority or not.
jshaf8 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:27:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I can explain this a bit from a pro-legalization standpoint.
Marijuana is wasting government and civilian resources. As in, resources we could use for far greater issues such as immigration and harder drugs.
If law enforcement isn't focused on two dozen $50 possession tickets, they could dedicate that time to things that actually have a severe negative impact on our country.
I don't think we (those in favor of legalization) want to focus on the actual legalization. We want it legalized to get it "out of the way" so time effort and funds are spent on more pressing issues.
max81968 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/trees?
Peoples_Bropublic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's at least as important as immigration reform. I don't really give much of a shit about marijuana itself, but I do give a shit about the millions of people whose lives are ruined by marijuana arrests and convictions, and I give a shit about the billions of tax dollars that are wasted arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating marijuana users.
flynnsanity3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:11:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly agree with you. If not at the very least because weed can be legalized at the state level one state at a time, whereas it'd be chaos if that happened with immigration policy. It's just a federal issue, more so than weed.
zaphodsays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ive argued with multiple people that banded together to say they never saw a single negative consequence of marijuana use, it wasnt a gateway drug, it didnt cause a loos of fine motor function, heavy use never caused a loss of ambition.
Not only did they not experience any of it but no one had ever seen or knew anyone that was negatively affected.
This doesnt help legalize, this makes reddit a totally non respected place to sit with likeminded people and push yourself to the radical edge of your beliefs.
Isosothat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should've known better, the only people who believe that inhaling burning plant matter is not only completely 100% harmless are hippies and redditards.
Quailfreezy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like with how well Colorado did with making bank off of legalizing you could look at it like legalizing takes priority since it benefits the people living here already with state budgets.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's some sort of logical fallicacy to even compare the two. They're two separate issues. I don't even know why that would be an argument in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana legalization would legitimize a whole industry of growers, distillers/concentrates, and salesman and produce tax income on one of the largest crops produced in the US. Not to mention the huge reduction in police costs. To act like its not extremely important is stupid.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like people love weed a little bit too much now.
Do i think weed should be legalized? Yes.
Do I think people shouldn't be arrested for long ass times for possessing/selling weed? Definitely.
But trying to argue that its healthy doesn't make a difference. Weed legalization in my eyes is more of a battle about ridiculous drug laws and battling the war on drugs.
robmox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, bro. I think the War on Drugs is probably the worst Civil Rights violation since WWII. There are numerous articles and documentaries on how our government uses the War on Drugs as a policy to incarcerate poor minorities, and now even poor white people. I think manipulating government policy to take peoples lives away from them is a HUGE problem in the US, and immigration can wait.
notasrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Without digging through your post history...
If you proposed specifics of immigration reform, it might have been downvotes out of disagreement with those ideas. Or maybe they just made assumptions about your stance on the issue and downvoted similarly.
Of course, maybe they just actually believed that immigration is a less important issue than marijuana. I suppose a case could be made for it as well: Its illegal status helps contribute to illegal drug distribution and only drives the "war on drugs" to be a bigger issues than it needs to be. Then there's issues with marijuana-related charges being linked to profiling, issues with prison population numbers, the repercussions of having unjust punishments/records for possession, etc. It is an issue that has a lot of negative impacts on individuals as well as on larger scales.
Dildosauruss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I got downvoted when i told that tackling climate change issues is more important than LGBT rights.
ThatM3kid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
to the people with treatment resistant conditions that cause excruciating pain, it is more important. you can say those people are in the minority, but you know who else is in the minority? minorities that need immigration reform.
both are very important issues.
BASEDME7O ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why is immigration reform so important? I really don't think immigrants are causing problems in this country
Wizuhd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Millions of people's lives are ruined by being imprisoned over weed. Millions more that could benefit medicinally but can't because of idiotic laws. So yeah, it's kind of a big deal
GinzoKazama ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:25:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one said it wasn't a big deal. Comparing peoples choice to take a drug vs people fleeing a country ruined and dominated by drugs is a steep comparison.
The go to 'holier than thou' mantle that people place on the marijuana argument is ALWAYS it's medicinal applications. More than likely the person citing it has no medicinal uses for it and want it for recreational use. I'm fine with the recreational use, but let's not try to scale human rights to a recreational drug.
buddythebear ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, what's insane to me is that so many people don't see how those issues are tied together. Any serious immigration reform will need some sort of overhaul on drug policy as it relates to cartels and international trafficking.
rokthemonkey ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I also agree that weed legalization is far more important than immigration reform, but that's mainly because I don't think immigration reform is important at all.
lord_gaben3000 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So little is known about weed and its effects so I'll never try it. I support legalization but I personally would never smoke it.
AssholeBot9000 ยท -17 points ยท Posted at 14:34:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie supporters and super pro weed supporters are blind to real issues.
Brute_zee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:17:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Like the "War on Drugs" dishing out felonies and raising incarceration rates left and right? That's not a real issue? Just because it doesn't affect middle-class you, doesn't mean it's not an issue. Walk a mile in a poor minority's shoes for once man, it really is a different world for them out there.
AssholeBot9000 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:19:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not even close to what I'm referring to. Have a nice day.
MongooseOnTheLoose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are you referring to?
Brute_zee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:36:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, I'm sorry but you can't just lump in all people who support Sanders with all people who support marijuana legalization together and say they are "blind to real issues", then have a real issue they both care about be presented to you and say "That's not what I'm talking about."
Please enlighten me then. What are you talking about? Did I upset your Fox News narrative?
AssholeBot9000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:51:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think fox news is fucking retarded.
But nice jab.
I made an offhanded comment with no real basis. Have a problem with that? Welcome to the internet.
I don't think people who are pro weed are blind to real issues, I'm just tired of hearing about it. Legalize it to shut people up. I don't need to hear how much you think it cures your high blood pressure, or your low tire pressure in your car. I don't care. How about we tackle a real issue like education. And I don't mean making college free. Look at that nice transition to Bernie. I'll take it.
Forget about making college free in the next 4 years. That isn't the problem. You know what the real issue is? Convincing EVERYONE they need to be in college. This is wrong.
We need to fix education at the ground floor before we can offer reduced cost or free college. People who deserve to be in higher education can have their education provided when they get to that level. However, we push too many people through lower grades and programs and ignore the fact that this stupid system we have set up now hurts everyone.
Do I have the answer on how to fix the education system? I sure don't. It's a complicated problem that can't be solved by one person. It is going to take all people to come together and actually GENUINELY care about the issue before it is fixed.
This country is stupid in the sense that we delegate views and issues to parties. These are policies that change our country for everyone. We need to work on the issues together. Republicans are stupid for discrediting democrats because they are democrats, democrats are stupid for rejecting republicans because they are republican.
Both sides have stupid ideas that are worthless on their own. If we could sit down like grown ups and actually talk about solving issues instead of safe spaces, or limiting a firearm magazine to 4 rounds, or making college free for votes we would be better off.
Bernie Sanders has all these great ideas, but they aren't going to be great in the long run. They are short term fixes to help people who are screwed right this very moment and those people are in favor of that. He has his heart in the right place, but his policies need work.
Donald Trump is convinced on building a worthless fucking wall, what an idiot. You aren't going to get another country to pay for it, a wall won't stop anyone. People defending illegal immigration are idiots. It's illegal immigration because it's illegal. It has nothing to do with hating another race or culture. It's literally about keeping illegal immigrants out. The word immigrants doesn't imply a race.
Hilary Clinton I'm not even going to bother. Out of the three main candidates right now she seems to be the least sincere. I'll take a Trump/Bernie ticket over giving her the time of day.
Sorry if my Fox News narrative is too strong for you, but I hope you have a better day.
Upvoted you because I feel like you need it.
ElectronRain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I up-voted just to shut you up.
AssholeBot9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You the man.
coitusFelcher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How is that not what you were referring to? I think it's exactly what you were referring to, but when faced with a valid argument you can't come back with anything...
AssholeBot9000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:52:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got me.
MC_BennyT ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:02:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Post asking for good one-liner jokes.
I reply with a Demetri Martin joke:
"I have an L-shaped sofaโฆ
โฆlowercase."
Meanwhile, someone else replied with the exact same joke and got 2K upvotes.
TheExplodingKitten ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:45:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they thought you copied them?
MC_BennyT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Demetri Martin's a fairly popular comedian and I feel he would have a solid collection of fans on Reddit. People independently replying with the same joke doesn't sound too far-fetched.
Rivka333 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:54:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not far fetched-but it's also not far fetched that Redditors would still (mistakenly) assume you copied the other guy.
OnTheSlope ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or they downvoted him because people don't need to waste their time reading the same joke twice.
recentcreated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:07:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get the joke.
MC_BennyT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He says he has a couch shaped like capital 'L' which isn't the most common. But then he says lowercase, which is 'l' or just a straight normal couch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's just the way the reddit cookie crumbles.
xNexx_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Way she goes
SuperFreakonomics ยท 726 points ยท Posted at 14:15:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Replied to "Link?" with a picture of Link
FlamingWings ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:13:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once asked to be linked to a thread, the op responded by making a picture of toon link with fiery wings in from of tire threads.
Dexaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pics? I want a link to the past.
[deleted] ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 15:20:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The princess?
Lilfreedom ยท 88 points ยท Posted at 15:26:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No the boy
[deleted] ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 15:29:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's your problem, that's Zelda!
Lilfreedom ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:44:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
smacks head on keyboard[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now now, you'll learn! Once you kill bowser and suck in his soul, killing the giant monkey is a snap then you get the princess!
Lilfreedom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:56:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am going to stop replying now...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go collect all the points!
whateverbruhwhatever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you forgot about paying your debt for your house back to Daisy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck you talking about?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How'd you type that with your head?
GenocidalNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised that this didn't get a shit ton of down votes. I've had things thrown at me for saying that. Zelda fans are crazy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know the hive mind and how stupid it is
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
im dying lololol
InsipidCelebrity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what if Zelda was a girl?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:42:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
She IS a girl fool!! You ever know a bit called Zelda? Not even Liberace would be that cruel
Thopterthallid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:28:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf.. Thats like saying the main character from Metroid is named Metroid. Metroids are the aliens idiots.
The orange guy's name is Ridley.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dumbass. That's Ripley
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Metal Gear?
lava172 ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 19:13:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's asking for unreasonable downvotes.
imtoocoldforthisshit ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 18:09:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa your beat to shit joke got down voted?
roguedevil ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 19:14:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see how that's unreasonable at all. Downvotes are meant for comments that are irrelevant and detract the discussion.
flamingmarshmallows ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the link joke is hella funny but yeah you're right.
send_me_kinky_nudes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:30:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a little played out which is probably why he got downvoted.
SomnambulisticTaco ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please. Everyone knows it's the "fuck you" button.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 00:13:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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roguedevil ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:18:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except it never is because it's an overused switcharoo. It's the equivalent of rickrolling, that one pic of that football player or posting a literal picture of a mirror when someone asks for an alternative link. Some people may find that funny, but it's never contributing to discussion.
sinestrostaint ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:12:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because it's overdone
Leet_Noob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, I once responded to "Link?" with "Hey! Listen!"
It got upvoted quite a bit but was deleted since it was a serious thread.
5p33di3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The last time I saw that happen it got gold.
SuperFreakonomics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit works in mysterious ways
ErnestScaredStupid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I did that too and nobody seemed to mind.
WanderingBastardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made an equally stupid Zelda comment on my second day and got downvoted to shit.
Kbratch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Link Neal?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah cause people like you are annoying
sopheroo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:57:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
perfect
AmeriCossack ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 15:40:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh come on! That's actually pretty funny.
Speaking of unreadable downvotes....
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:42:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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AmeriCossack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, I've never actually seen that being done before. Maybe I just don't spend that much time on Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
a_link_to_the_passed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gotchu
dc972016 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:11:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's straight genius, friend.
a_link_to_the_passed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find it funny but it's not original. It's pretty overused.
Shadowex3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:19:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because you were a cheeky little shit.
RememberMindoir ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 15:38:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On an old account of mine, I got mass down votes because I said I don't immediately think a rape accuser is lying. And people wonder why this site has the reputation it does.
Linquist ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 18:58:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted for questioning and providing contrary evidence to a guy that said up to 50% (or more!) of rape victims have an orgasm.
Faithhandler ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 21:13:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What? How would that even matter?
Linquist ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:34:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was in the context of a discussion about a man who had been raped, but people in his social network were claiming it can't be rape if he had an erection and/or an orgasm.
Somehow some clown on reddit turned it around and was claiming that "studies have shown" that women usually have orgasms when they are raped too.
Faithhandler ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 21:42:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still confused as to what having an undesired orgasm has to do with whether it was rape or not?
Lady_Lance ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 21:47:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well clearly she liked it if she orgasmed. It isn't rape if she liked it. /s
Linquist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:35:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The original post was about a man who was being raped but had an erection, and people said it wasn't rape because of the erection.
I think what this guy was trying to say is that that physical arousal can happen to rape victims of either sex (which is true), but his statistics were so fucking crazy that it sort of invalidated an otherwise good point.
FourO40 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 01:57:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People think that having an orgasm means that it wasn't rape.
I guess that theres SOME merit because generally an orgasm comes when sex is pleasurable but its still a ridiculous argument.
Mejari ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:49:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What does what the body finds mechanically pleasurable have to do with whether or not it's rape?
kjata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly nobody espousing this opinion has been a teenage boy, because erections will happen without provocation, like that annoying friend or relative you have who shows up unannounced at the strangest times and hangs around way longer than they should.
Linquist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:06:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in my early twenties, a female roommate of mine had a terrible day at work and just needed a hug and shoulder to cry on. We hugged, she cried, and I got a boner. There was nothing sexual about this interaction and she just needed support.
I have never before or since been so angry at my dick. We were not on the same page at all.
kjata ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Emotional vulnerability and physical contact, devoid of context, are turn-ons. The penis does not care about context. The penis cares about getting put in things. The penis considers you a weirdly complex and temperamental friction delivery system.
YouKnow_Pause ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:06:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the line of thought is that orgasm equal enjoyment, and therefore if a rape victim, male or female, orgasms then they enjoyed it and it isn't rape.
Which is dumb.
Fuego_pants ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:10:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That makes me want to vomit
Linquist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was furious. There were about ten things wrong with both his argument, his point of view, and his statistics.
I never get worked up over things on the internet, but this was just such stupid and dangerous thinking.
Fuego_pants ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:54:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably one of those fuck wads who go to the men's rights rallies.
Linquist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:00:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was on r/tumblrinaction, which when it first started was a fun place to see crazy stuff about people who believed they had the souls of plants or whatever and honestly everything was all in good fun.
Now it's all mean-spirited angry anti-feminism posts, and it isn't fun at all.
That day that some guy got upvoted by more than ten people for saying more than 50% of women orgasm when raped and I was subsequently downvoted for linking to an actual scientific study that refuted this was the day I unsubscribed from TIA.
Fuego_pants ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:10:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh. The more you tell me, the more disgusted I am.
falconinthedive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got linked on /r/shitpoliticssays or one of those similar subs once for saying basically the exact same thing.
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:19:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would HOPE it depends how you said it, but maybe people are already so defensive on this issue that it doesn't matter.
RememberMindoir ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:39:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All I said was that I don't take sides in a rape case. I don't think the accuser is lying and I don't think the accused did it. I was amazed at the reaction I got.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:41:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are disappointing sometimes.
terraphantm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:28:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were probably getting the double whammy from both sides.
Shadowex3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm pretty sure this is what actually got you downvoted there chief.
Thisis___speaking ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, you can't logically take that position. To not think the accuser is lying is to believe they are telling the truth, so you can't also believe the accused didn't do it.
finite_turtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just flipped a coin. Do you believe it was heads or do you believe it was tails?
Thisis___speaking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My position is that further inquiry/evidence is required. Calling for additional evidence when someone makes an accusation is not the same as calling them a liar, and thus believing their claim whilst maintaining the innocence of the accused is not a more 'objective' perspective.
finite_turtles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not answering the question. Let me ask you again even more directly: "Do you believe it was heads?". This is a yes or no question. there are only two possible answers. either you believe it was heads or you do not.
The answer you are searching for is "no". You do not believe it was heads. You are open to the possibility that it was heads and have no particulare inclination either way. That is a no.
It is easy to confuse the concepts because spoken language can get a bit tricky explaining these concepts which are better described in more formal languages like math.
"I do not believe x" is NOT the same as saying "I do believe not x". On a coin not heads is tails. but the sentances "I do not believe the coin was heads" is NOT the same sentance as "I believe the coin was tails".
That is where I think you are getting mixed up and why this sentance:
Is completely wrong.
Thisis___speaking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, I guess I was being overly pedantic. I see now that saying neither is necessarily lying is the same as taking a neutral position until you get further evidence.
ThegreatPee ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:55:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing all of those White Knights in rank and file, glistening in the sun, must have been breathtaking.
TanksAllFoes ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were not glistening, for they were not engaged in jolly co-operation. Typical Whites.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:20:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Rivka333 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:28:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He/she isn't saying that both sides are right....or that neither is wrong. OP is just saying that he/she doesn't have some amazing immediate accurate insight into who is telling the truth.
Obviously one of them is right and the other is wrong, but much of the time we simply don't know which is which.
RememberMindoir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:26:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wait until I see the evidence in the case. I don't jump to conclusions about if the accuser is lying or the accused did it.
BoxOfNothing ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 22:36:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"A woman claims she was raped"
"Probably lying, they all do, innocent until proven guilty"
"Did I mention it was a Muslim?"
"FUCKING IMMIGRANTS BOMB THEM ALL STUPID EUROCUCKS LETTING THEM RUIN THEIR CONTINENT"
RememberMindoir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:45:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even worse, the Muslim was a Hillary supporter.
BoxOfNothing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:47:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Muslim Hillary supporter who hates weed and guns.
RememberMindoir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:30:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And thinks Fallout 4 was Game of the Year, Witcher 3 was awful and COD is better than Battlefield.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:29:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everything you just said sans the COD thing is true, though
max81968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Witcher 3 was awful [2]
RememberMindoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It may be true, but saying any of that is a big no-no on Reddit.
Aiyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:58:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread has so many strawmen, on both sides of the parent posts
BoxOfNothing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hey look another person who doesn't know what that means.
Qender ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:39:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly "innocent until proven guilty" only counts when you're accusing someone of rape, not when you're accusing someone of being a false rape accuser.
__roasted ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 16:39:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
That's the most toxic hive mind opinion on this site imo
Any time rape is mentioned everyone jumps to "innocent until proven guilty" which, around these parts, means "believe the guy until the court says to believe the girl"
Edit: and then any time a guy claims to have been raped not a single person expresses any doubt
Ithikari ยท 122 points ยท Posted at 17:44:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry. But it is innocent until proven guilty.
What needs to actually happen is names to be released when the person is found guilty by the media and not when an accusation happens. Witch Hunting is fucking toxic in reddit and social media in general.
Qender ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 20:40:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yet the same people are generally very happy with witch-hunting a girl for being a "false rape accuser."
Ithikari ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:45:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's nearly as bad. It promotes to not ever come clean if you make a false accusation.
Really, it should not mention names until a conviction.
neverbuythesun ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:13:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And then when the court agrees with her it's "well courts are biased towards women!! She could've faked it!! This is going to ruin an innocent man's life!!" Make up your damn minds, people.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
I'd argue that a person who sexually assaults someone and someone who purposely tries to get someone falsely imprisoned/blackballed from every decent job are equally terrible people. Both acts ruin lives
Qender ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:17:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but according to FBI stats, under 2% of rape accusations are false, yet 100% of the alleged victims are accused of being false rape accusers.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:10:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How could you possibly know this to be true?
Qender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:21:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you're not familiar with these sort of cases.
Kobe bryant was charged with rape, the police were the ones who announced it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case
Famous radio personalities then named the name of the victim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Leykis#Naming_names
Then the victim started getting death threats and was shunned by a great many people. People absolutely hunter her down, exposed her private info, and treated her just as badly if not worse than many people accused of rape.
Most rape victims have similar stories. And this is a large reason why a lot of rape victims never report their crimes, or tell no one about them out of fear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I was referring to you talking about the "same people." I don't doubt there are people who deny victims and have seen it myself. But I was commenting on your sweeping generalization because on Reddit so often they appear and just bother me. You have no actual knowledge of who these people are or there stance on other even similar issues.
Qender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, do you see any of the people from my previous example blaming the celebrity in the case?
KamaCosby ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 02:36:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Her choice to make herself public by telling everyone she was raped.
Very different for falsely accused people
Qender ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:17:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying it's the the fault of the alleged rapist for saying they didn't do it.
First of all, you don't know who brought it into the public attention. A victim can simply report the crime to the police and press charges and the news media can dig up the names and publish them. In many cases it's third parties or even the alleged rapist who starts publicizing the case.
And second. You can't keep being a victim a crime. Not only do people usually work with or go to school with their assailants and need to be able to distance themselves, but they often have a close circle of friends.
Not to mention, if they don't tell anyone and act like everything's normal (which is really hard with the trauma and PTSD that people go through when they're assaulted like this) then it will be used against them in court. Lawyers will ask them "If it was so terrible, how come you seem normal and keep going to school with the guy" or something like that.
You can't press charges against someone and keep it secret, and even if you do, which many people have tried to do with celebrities, other people such as reporters and even talk radio hosts will find their information and spread it.
So basically, sometimes a person gets raped, reports it to the police. Reporters spread their names public, random strangers send them death threats for being "false accusers" then people like you blame them for "telling everyone they were raped".
KamaCosby ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 04:21:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well don't be mad about the publicity. Bad things happen, people talk, and your name will be thrown around. If you accuse someone of a serious crime, publicity is to be expected.
If you're accused of a serious crime, you should be protected from publicity at least until you're proven guilty.
There's still a difference
Qender ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:40:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you think it's wrong to accuse someone of the crime of rape publicly. But ok to publicly accuse them of the crime of being a "false accuser"?
Shouldn't they both have the same right to privacy or lack of that right?
KamaCosby ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:43:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think either is wrong. This is about publicity
Qender ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 07:21:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's an example of how this happens:
Kobe bryant was charged with rape, the police were the ones who announced it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case
Famous radio personalities then named the name of the victim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Leykis#Naming_names
Then the victim started getting death threats and was shunned by a great many people. People absolutely hunter her down, exposed her private info, and treated her just as badly if not worse than many people accused of rape. All because she did nothing more than file a police report.
Most rape victims have similar stories. And this is a large reason why a lot of rape victims never report their crimes, or tell no one about them out of fear.
Rivka333 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:32:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That doesn't mean that the accuser is necessarily actually lying. What it means is that we don't punish the accused. It means that we don't know who is guilty (either of rape or of lying) or who is innocent (of rape or of lying) so we have to treat them as if they are both innocent.
Eptar ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit tends to have a massive witch hunt when someone is accused of rape, though. Everyone immediately jumps to the conclusion that the accused is guilty.
Rivka333 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:11:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can go either direction.
Probably depends on the sub.
__roasted ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:42:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to respectfully disagree and say that my experience is the exact opposite
neverbuythesun ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:14:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, about five minutes ago I was being told that an actual convicted rapist probably didn't do anything and now his life is ruined.
CartoonsAreForKids ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the middle ground between immediately disbelieving rape accusations and immediately believing them that reddit needs. Unfortunately, going to the extreme is all too easy on a vote based website.
DrMonkeyLove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that poor dude after the Boston bombing.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:44:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that Reddit is hypocritical, but I generally believe the accused to be innocent until they're proven guilty in a court of law, no matter the type of crime. Sure, public opinion isn't bound by any rigorous standards of proof, but I don't have all the information the state prosecution does, so I'll refrain from judging anybody until I know for (reasonably) sure.
__roasted ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 17:58:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because our judicial system has such an effective track record of successfully prosecuting rape
/s
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:04:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a his word against mine type of situation, which are very difficult to resolve without further evidence, which is, unfortunately, oftentimes just non-existent in cases of rape.
Whom do you believe? The potential victim or the potential rapist?
Halyon ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:10:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't remember where I read it, but something which I believe is a satisfactory answer to that question is "both". You have to believe and help the accuser because, if he/she is telling the truth, their world is completely upside down right now and they need support, not to be brushed aside. But at the same time, you mustn't let it colour your view of the accused, at least until you obtain hard evidence against them, because their life can equally be destroyed if the accusation is false. Rape is such a difficult topic and as (initially, at least) it's impossible to know exactly who did what to whom that you have to "believe" and support both.
(Footnote: yes I know you can't truly "believe" both of them as they give contradicting statements, but you have to outwardly appear to be doing that imo)
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:40:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is the most reasonable response. Good on you.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a good way of handling it, let's hope I never have to employ it.
fuzzydunloblaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or the other potential victim or the potential false accuser. Probably best to reserve judgement when it can't be conclusively proven.
1III1I1II1III1I1II ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is toxic is the belief that it's fine to treat someone as though they are guilty of a very serious crime with no evidence.
Fighting against that sort of madness is the least toxic thing reddit could possibly do.
__roasted ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rape is incredibly difficult to prosecute because more often than not there is no evidence besides testimony of the parties involved. That being said, very few rape accusations are false (something like 2-4%, in on my phone and can't link a source, sorry) and so we're left with a predicament. Do we simply pretend like there's no reason to believe the accused is guilty? Despite empirical evidence saying otherwise? Or do we give credence to what the accuser is saying and believe her?
Believe me, I understand how horrible it would be if a man was falsely accused of rape and felt the repercussions for it. But that isn't statistically normal, but Reddit seems to think it is and subsequently berates and discounts seemingly every high profile rape accuser. That's what I have a problem with.
EVILEMU ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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__roasted ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:46:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not arguing against the principle of "innocent until proven guilty", what I'm criticizing is reddit's knee-jerk reaction to basically just use it as an excuse to discredit any and all rape accusations when they are almost always true.
EVILEMU ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:02:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of people are just overzealous to mention that someone isn't guilty until they're proven guilty. It goes without saying. There seems to be just as many people that are too quick to read a buzz headline and conclude that someone is guilty/innocent.
Then when the verdict comes out and they get upset. No one is as informed about the case as the jury, so I'd like to keep my faith in the jury and not someone who did some reading online.
I agree with you though. People are too quick to form opinions. You can't discredit something until it has been proven to be false.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"It is better that 10 guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
There's a reason we treat these cases as such. There has to be proof beyond a shadow of a doubt, not just heresay
Wizuhd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:00:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Uhhh are you seriously arguing against that? That's innocent until proven guilty 101. Basis of our justice system.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Rivka333 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:35:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't mean to actually believe him, it means to withhold immediate judgment. It means to refrain from punishing him-not because you know that he is telling the truth, but because you don't know who is telling the truth.
To believe the guy means to assume that yes, the girl is lying. To assume that she is guilty (of lying). But we don't actually know that.
It doesn't mean believing the guy, it means withholding from believing either party (unless conclusive evidence comes in).
thatJainaGirl ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure saying you don't like the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" is a bad thing.
kernozlov ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:42:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well a lot of the time the guy doesnt stand to gain much, if anything at all, for accusing someone of rape.
And then people take the (while bullshit statement) "guys cant be raped" and flip it around and assume "oh if hes hurt that bad it must be true."
Rape is a pretty dangerous topic.
notastepfordwife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted to hell for saying rape isn't funny.
Anything that doesn't immediately relieve the perpetrator or facilitator of rape of their inherent guilt is downvoted.
SmokeWine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got mass down votes because I said once that people who are accused of rape could possibly be innocent.
You can't win on reddit.
Shadowex3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:48:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What parent ACTUALLY said:
That's a huge difference, I'm almost certain what actually got you downvoted was the bolded part.
johnwalkersbeard ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:41:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I first joined reddit, I went to r/SQL/ and had the audacity to say that a RIGHT JOIN is a perfectly acceptable command to use when appropriate and was much more efficient than using LEFT JOIN on a sub query that references a table previously called in the query.
Holy. Shit. The entire board was really angry. Like space vs tab angry. Except it was a united front against the RIGHT JOIN.
daywade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:28:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Joins and stuff. I do a right join every weekend am I right guys?
Ethernum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't argue best practices with rockstar programmers. It's not worth it.
johnwalkersbeard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what if I'm a rock star programmer?
Ethernum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends. Have you traded in proper pay and normal work conditions for an ego-inflating but utterly meaningless title?
Because if so, yes you are a rockstar programmer :D
johnwalkersbeard ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I do work in Business Intelligence, so ...
;)
irthewalrus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:45:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that anything like Army Intelligence?
DangerChips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Generally speaking. The guys (and girls) I know in business intelligence are really smart people and produce some really informative data. The issue sometimes is what certain management decides to do (or not do) with that data.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where do they stand on pronunciation?
howgreatthelove ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:13:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a thread asking how many kids you planned to have, I answered the question and got down voted. Shame on me for wanting children.
lucille-hits ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:43:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shame on you!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:19:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You... you breeder!
How dare you have personal life choices.
kalathedestroyer ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:13:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, your answer probably shouldn't have included a fraction.
howgreatthelove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Amputees need families, too!
whenindoubtknititout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many did you say? I have seven siblings, and I know a few only children, and I don't think either extreme is a horrible way to grow up.
howgreatthelove ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:40:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that my husband and I had discussed it and we decided we wanted around 7 kids, some of those being adopted. Apparently that was the wrong answer.
robmox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:38:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People assume you're not taking it seriously if you say you want 69 children.
Orthodox-Waffle ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dugar, is that you?
yakusokuN8 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:46:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP: How do I unsubscribe from a subreddit?
Me: "On the right hand side, beneath the subreddit buttons to submit posts, there should be a button you can click to unsubscribe." -2 points.
Some other user: "the solution is anal prolapse." +21 points.
Another user: "BLOOD IN, BLOOD OUT." +16 points.
I guess sometimes a technically correct answer gets downvoted because it's not entertaining enough.
Warpato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 03:21:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?!?
Or however the fuck that line goes
RuroniHS ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 13:45:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I declared that Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban had an illogical time paradox. Harry Potter fans did not care to hear that.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 16:11:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know that there's been a single time travel story that doesn't have a time paradox somewhere. But HP3 does relatively well insofar as the things that are going to happen have already happened -- Harry has already cast the patronus and it's implied that McNair is splitting open the pumpkin the first time, too.
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban is also far and away the best book of the series, regardless of plot holes, so that might be a contributing factor.
thebachmann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steins;gate is really good about this. Its the best explanation for time travel I've seen.
notacareerserver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PoA and OotP tie for me. I absolutely love the whole series, but they're my favorites when I re-read. Same for the movies.
majormay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:52:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OotP and PoA are my favourites too! And I agree, the third was one of the best movies in the series, which I'm sure most people can agree.
Here's a vid I found interesting about the third movie that is super interesting if you haven't seen it, and it kinda explains why the third movie feels like an actual really good movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hZ_ZyzCO24
adimuslexxus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:31:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll actually probably get a lot of hate for it, but I personally like HBP the most. PoA was the best movie, though.
majormay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:33:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed Half-Blood Prince. I think because it was sort of the calm before the storm. It had a bit more humour in it, especially the movie (although don't get me started how they replaced the final fight with the burrow attack).
adimuslexxus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:03:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, for me, the book was the best because Dumbledore was my favorite character, and HBP expanded upon him being human - him being a person rather than just a teacher/peripheral character. It really fleshed out his background and experience, while rounding it off with a great display of just how wise and knowledgeable he was, rather than just alluding to it as the first 4 and 9/10ths of the series did.
And then what happened in the 7th book? It went even further into his background, and showed the dark past that seemed like so many knew, but turned a blind eye to - the experience and scars that turned him into the truly amazing person everyone had known before his death.
I dunno. So many people shit on the 7th book, saying it felt rushed and that they think the 6th book was largely pointless.. And I get it that half the book is about trying to extract a memory from Slughorn that Dumbledore already had a damn good hunch what it contained anyways. But, I feel like it wasn't so much about that, but rather confirming the exact number or Horcruxes, and showing Harry become a true friend to Dumbledore, not just a student/apprentice.
shrugs That's why it's my favorite. I think it started the depth of the series that really makes it what it is. The series wouldn't have been so impacting on the lives of so many people without the 6th book.
kingofeggsandwiches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's interesting, but a story about time travel will always result in a paradox, what kind of paradox depends on what time travel model you use, but there's always a paradox nonetheless. If you just a block universe theory, with a single time line you end have to do it one way, essentially enforcing the idea that whatever happened with your character in the past to have already have happened in the earlier section of the story, meaning that everything that happened during the narrative was fixed. This results in a paradox because it means that the future person's existence depends on the past person, and that the past person's existence depends on the future person, which totally messes with the arrow of causality.
However, if you go for the type of time travel where the outcome of the future can be affected by the person when they travel back in time i.e once the person arrives in the past there's no guarantee that things will turn out has they remember them from the future, you end up with another paradox, because if the future at will now occur is different, then it's impossible that that exact version of the person would have come to exist, so how come that person exists in the past.
This at least means a kind of multiverse theory, and a sort of co-dependence of two separate universes, one which creates that character that travels back in time, and the one where he arrives when he gets to the past. This means a sideways causality between two different universe.
It's impossible to create an entirely consistent model of what time travel would be like, each has huge illogical seems consequences.
InfanticideAquifer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a time travel story with no paradox:
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Blood Prince is my favorite.
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Steins;Gate. Great anime. Logically consistent time travel.
And that's what is logically impossible. Harry couldn't have cast the patronus because he couldn't have existed to cast the patronus if Harry didn't first survive the dementor attack. The prerequisites for Future Harry's existence are not met. It's a paradox.
Omegatron9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:26:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry doesn't need to survive without future assistance the "first time" because there is no "first time" or "original timeline" or anything like that. There is only one timeline, unchanging, that has always included Harry's future self saving his past self.
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:11 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And that is illogical.
Omegatron9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:51 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What is illogical about it?
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:23 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that the loop has no cause, yet it exists within a causal chain.
4tchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had never thought about this
msbrooklyn ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 14:29:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a HP fan I'm genuinely curious about this.
TacosForMeOnly ยท 157 points ยท Posted at 14:44:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's been almost an hour and OP hasn't replied. Maybe OP got stuck in an illogical time paradox.
RandomName01 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:13:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
RIP OP
max81968 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:03:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rip in pepperoni, OP.
ma2016 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:27:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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CooterMarie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:11:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Atomicgardenhose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:15:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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soiledPlants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Voccams ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
we just gotta wait for his future self to save his past self so he can then answer us
joazito ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the whole thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/428iom/which_plot_hole_bothers_you_the_most/cz8g3co
Diabetesh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He fell through the mirror like sirius.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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sam41803 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:32:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suppose the logic is that the loop is self-creating, Harry saved humself from the werewolf because he saved himself from the werewolf. I do however agree that the plot point is unessecarily confusing.
andrewxu1264 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The idea is that they saw himself casting a patronus which means a stable loop, but buckbeak gets killed the first time around which is impossible logically.
elfgirl1317 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:44:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Buckbeak doesn't get killed - McNair hits a pumpkin in anger. Harry and Hermione only think Buckbeak is killed, because they can't see anything.
andrewxu1264 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:03:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh that makes more sense. Thanks for the correction.
msbrooklyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good point.
aezart ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:13:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Harry saved himself from the Dementors. It's a stable time loop.
msbrooklyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, I don't see a problem with it though, it follows time travel logic as far as I can see.
RuroniHS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:51:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is the dementor encounter. The prerequisite for Future Harry (FH) to exist is for Past Harry (PH) to survive. If PH has not yet survived the dementor attack, then the prerequisites for FH to exist have not yet been met, and thus FH cannot save PH. That whole scenario is an inherently illogical time paradox.
Compare this to what Hermoine does with with time travel thingy. She uses it to be in two places at once. That's fine, because the chain of causality will complete itself. Hermoine finishes potions, goes back in time, and attends botany as Future Hermoine. Hermoine finishing potions is not dependent upon Hermoine attending botany, so this is not a paradox.
SaadAsMyWitness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason I don't think that's a plot hole is because I think it's implied Snape was close enough on the scene to drive back the dementors and save past Harry if future Harry doesn't do it. It would be a slightly closer call obviously, but it's still feasible. Like we know Snape comes to in time to see it all go down and just not know what drives off the dementors, and I think that if that had happened, Harry still would go back in time to save Sirius and could have cast the patronus. Especially if the Snape saves him scenario would end in Sirius getting the dementors kiss by the lake.
But that timeline of Snape saving him never exists because of the time loop where he saves himself. It's not a paradox because Harry would always survive regardless and future Harry would always exist. I know JK didn't write that explicitly, but it kind of doesn't make sense to write it. Once the "time loop" is closed by Harry going back it makes no sense for the story to include a "but what could have happened" section. It would be bad writing. And anyone who is concerned with time travel logic would hopefully understand enough that the implication is "someone else saves Harry if he can't save himself".
Yes it is a time loop, but time loops are allowed to be logically sound as long as there is a way for them to form in the first place. You're calling plot hole because JK doesn't write out how the time loop forms to begin with, but that's just ambiguity not logical inconsistency.
I agree having read through the thread there was no need to down vote you, but I think your default assumption that past Harry dies without future Harry is fundamentally incorrect.
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That would resolve the paradox. But, that's not written in the book. That's your head canon. I'm evaluating the book as written. And as written, it is logically impossible. I could conceive a million different ways for Harry to survive the scenario, but what I can conceive is not what is on the page. I agree with you that a loop can exist once it is logically formed and closed. However, I disagree that what Rowling wrote is adequate to accomplish this.
SaadAsMyWitness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The thing is as soon as the time loop forms, that is what happens. The story where Snape saves Harry isn't written because it doesn't happen. Because as soon as Harry goes back, we get the loop of time that actually does happen that would nullify that existing.
But that does not make what is written logically impossible. What is written is what happened. And it's what happened because Harry goes back and makes it what happened. Just like Hermione throwing the stones through Hagrid's window and Buckbeak not being executed because time traveling Harry and Hermione drag him into the forest. If they survive to time travel the story unfolds like it did on the page. And they do survive to time travel.
You're mad that JK doesn't tell you how they survive to time travel without time traveling Harry being there to save the day. But she can't tell you what "would have happened" in any way that makes narrative sense. She can just leave it slightly open so you understand that while Harry perceives that moment as life or death, there was an alternative he didn't see.
I don't think it's a head cannon that Harry survives whether or not he time travels. The Snape part, yes, but Harry's survival is implied by the fact he is able to go back. That's not putting extra meaning onto the text that wasn't there. That's understanding the logic of JK's time travel. You can be mad there is no cannon explanation of how Harry would have survived in a time-turner-less world, but it's not a matter of "if she doesn't write it explicitly then she's created a logical fallacy".
Most good authors don't put everything on the page if it detracts from the story and is possible to understand from context. We know Mayella Ewell got beat up by her Dad and not Tom without Atticus or Harper Lee telling us so explicitly. It doesn't change our understanding of what happened because we didn't hear it narrated. Same rule applies. We understand Harry would always survive because the story's logic implies Harry would always survive, whether or not Harry consciously processes that himself for us.
tiltowaitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bootstrap paradox.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:00:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That does not answer the question.
It's just another way of saying "time paradox".
tiltowaitt ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:16:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
First, a disclaimer: Prisoner of Azkaban is my favorite book in the series, despite the stupid time travel.
That Harry was able to go back in time to rescue himself requires that he was able to survive the dementors in order to travel back in time. As we see the first time around, one of the dementors managed to grab him and was about to perform the kiss. There is no evidence he could have survived this if not for the casting of the patronus. And if he did survive, there would have been no reason for second-time-through Harry to cast the patronus in the first place.
No condition exists where the loop could have ever sprung into being.
I have yet to see a compelling argument that this scene is in any way rational or non-paradoxical. The only justification I ever see is along the lines of "it already happened, so it happened, therefore it works".
(I initially tried to find something someone else wrote on the subject, but there appears to be disagreement over whether this is actually the bootstrap paradox and not some other kind of paradox, so I wrote my own explanation.)
wwefwef ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:26:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your description is right, but nothing in it qualifies the plot paradoxical, because nothing in it qualifies as logically impossible. Only if you think there cannot be time loops, but why shouldn't this be logically possible? What is the reason for holding fast to the principle that every event requires an independent cause? (i.e. one which it does not itself cause?) Most physicists and almost all philosophers reject this principle--the big bang and quantum indeterminacy are obvious counterexamples.
If you'd like to read more, here's a short and excellent article on the paradoxes of time travel by David Lewis. He talks about causal loops on p. 4
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/m/merlinos/paradoxes%20of%20time%20travel.pdf
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:49:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, ok. I actually remember that from when I first read the book.
I feel like that has to have been a decision Rowling made. It's less "how did Ron stand up when he already stood up in the last paragraph?/Why do they never use the time turner again?" and more just "magic's not real/there's no way the Dursleys are that mean and Dumbledore never noticed". Suspension of disbelief and whatnot. I'm not saying that it's that nit-picky, just that it's on the scale somewhere.
I personally don't think it's an actual paradox. It's a closed loop so it existing isn't a paradox, just it forming. So discussing whether it's a paradox or not would end in discussing irl philosophy about predetermination. I personally believe in atheological predeterminism (I think the future is already set, but by physics, not god). But even that's less physics than it is philosophy/opinion and we've gotten a long way from harry potter so I'll stop here.
tiltowaitt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It could be I'm using "paradox" incorrectly as a blanket term for "time travel thing that doesn't work".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're using paradox correctly. I would actually argue that there's nothing saying it's a "time travel thing that doesn't work."
I'd argue that they're in a universe where fate is real. If fate is real, then the future is set and already has happened.
tiltowaitt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And I would argue thatโs even less satisfying than living with the paradox itself :P
Rivka333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
I actually think that pretty much every sci fi/fantasy time travel story has some such paradox. I always just assumed that readers were aware of it, and that they deliberately suspended such awareness in order to enjoy the story.
tiltowaitt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have an easier time with that if itโs a story where time travel is the focus of the plot. While itโs not a dues ex machina in Harry Potter, itโs harder for me to enjoy the time travel aspect because it still feels like a cheat.
Compare it to Terminator, which has a similar temporal flaw: Time travel is a huge part of the plot, so I can excuse the flaws related to it. I also acknowledge the issues, which is something I almost never see a Harry Potter fan do. They always start making up events that never get hinted at in the books in order to try to justify it. Itโs irritating. A personal headcanon doesnโt mean it isnโt a plot hole for the rest of us.
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
in the original timeline they decided to go back and save Buckbeak which ended up causing more trouble for everyone else, I believe CinemaSins spend some time unraveling it
tiltowaitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I havenโt watched what youโre referring to, but I feel like if you start having to make up stuff the author never hinted at, you may as well admit itโs a plot hole.
RQK1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes it is a plot hole, that is why they pointed it out
tiltowaitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All right, sorry for being presumptuous!
RQK1996 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:41:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
CinemaSins is a satyrical youtube channel that points out plot holes and continuity errors, and other stupid things in movies, they aren't reviewers, they are jerks
tiltowaitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Iโll check them out!
RothXQuasar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To me, this makes more sense than other interpretations of time travel, because I don't believe you can change the past/ The past already happened, and so did the future in a way. (According to Einstein's relativity theory, I think, time can be seen as a static "loaf" which has already happened.) Therefore someone who travels back in time can only accomplish something that has already happened.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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onioning ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that is the way time travel works in that universe. They did go back in time. That did happen. So you're saying something couldn't happen if something else didn't happen, but that something else did happen.
If you want HP time paradoxes, look to Hermaine's use.
NuaAun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This has always weirded me out. Why does harry look older in 3rd movie but smaller in the 4th one.
onioning ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because he grew too much so they had to film it to make him look like he didn't, but that's hard, so there ya go.
thatJainaGirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's a really old post, and it has been explained why you're wrong dozens of times.
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except that I'm not wrong. And nobody could prove me wrong. So they downvoted me.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds interesting, what's your evidence for it?
slapdashbr ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:11:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly you can make all sorts of arguments about time travel paradoxes if there is even a very limited way to time travel in a story. It just opens up too many causality problems. Shit, look at Primer
onioning ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ach! Just thinking about Primer again is making my head hurt.
RuroniHS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:53:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is the dementor encounter. The prerequisite for Future Harry (FH) to exist is for Past Harry (PH) to survive. If PH has not yet survived the dementor attack, then the prerequisites for FH to exist have not yet been met, and thus FH cannot save PH. That whole scenario is an inherently illogical time paradox.
KhorneChips ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No it's not, it's a stable time loop. Think of it like a perfect circle. There's no beginning and no end. FH will always save PH, and that PH will become an FH that saves his own PH who will become an FH that saves his own PH who will become... over and over. B leads to C leads to A leads to B.
RuroniHS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:09:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A perfect circle is not a series of events. Causality does not apply and it is not a valid analogy. You need to address how future Harry came into existence before you can create a stable time loop because his existence is dependent on past Harry's survival. Past Harry could not have survived without future Harry, so Future Harry could never have existed. The whole thing is a mess.
KhorneChips ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:25:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Let me raise a different point. Why didn't they ever try to travel back in time and kill Voldemort? The answer is, they can't. If it was going to happen it would've happened already.
Assuming no multiverse, a single timeline exists as if all time travel that is ever going to happen has already happened. There's no starting point in the loop. It exists and will always exist. As a result, an effect can be observed before the cause.
Causality doesn't always work in a straight line.
RuroniHS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:56:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the answer to this question emphasizes why the dementor situation is a paradox. If you've ever seen the movie Time Machine, they explain it quite succinctly. If the event that caused you to go back in time didn't happen, you would never have gone back in time. You can't go back in time to kill Voldemort because the prerequisites for you going back in time to kill Voldemort are that Voldemort did terrible things.
Likewise, Future Harry could never have existed to go back in time to save himself because the prerequisites for his existence would be Harry's survival. Harry has to survive FIRST, and THEN he can become future Harry. This needs to be addressed otherwise the loop is unstable.
And all time travel within that timeline must be logically possible. You can't just wave away logical problems by saying "Well it always happened." Fine, it was always a logically impossible paradox. In the case of the dementor attack, Harry's time travel could not have happened, and could not have occurred within the timeline.
And declaring this does nothing to address the logical problems of its own existence. I have pointed out why the loop's existence is logically impossible, and your only response is "well it always existed."
An effect can be observed before a cause, but causality and time are two different things. Causality does work in a straight line by definition. Time, though, needn't be a straight line.
StuckAtWork124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I can see their point. If it only allows stable loops, then it had to be that he always saved himself, yes.
If however it doesn't, then most likely, someone else went back in time and saved Harry, making an unstable loop, then had Harry go back to save himself and locked it into a stable one, at which point he always has to go back and save himself because he already did
TransgenderPride ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to agree with you, then I read Methods of Rationality. It's too good to spoil, but basically it explains the Time Turner in a way that makes it not only make sense, but makes it not illogical/broken.
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Time Turner itself is not illogical. The events in the dementor encounter are.
vanKessZak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because most Harry Potter fans have heard this time and time again and 99% the person is just wrong. How did you explain it? Because that book is pretty sound as far as is possible with time travel (which can never really be written perfectly).
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I explained it something like this: The prerequisite for Future Harry (FH) to exist is for Past Harry (PH) to survive. If PH has not yet survived the dementor attack, then the prerequisites for FH to exist have not yet been met, and thus FH cannot save PH. That whole scenario is an inherently illogical time paradox.
Compare this to what Hermoine does with with time travel thingy. She uses it to be in two places at once. That's fine, because the chain of causality will complete itself. Hermoine finishes potions, goes back in time, and attends botany as Future Hermoine. Hermoine finishing potions is not dependent upon Hermoine attending botany, so this is not a paradox.
If you can explain the dementor encounter without paradoxes, I'd be very impressed.
clomjompsonjim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I frequent /r/harrypotter and id say most people there agree with you. It's such a friendly sub. But fans outside the sub can be super crazy.
AllRushMixtape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvotes for saying that the death of Sirius Black didn't bother me as much as others because Rowling made both him and Harry very difficult to like in Order of the Phoenix.
RuroniHS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Rowling poured on the angst pretty heavily in that book.
Chairboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is the subject of this srd post this your alt?
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/4kbh9c/unintentionally_hilarious_drama_in_rmovies_when/
dc972016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lol who cares? Indiana Jones was irrelevant to the raiders of the lost ark plot but its still a good movie.
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it doesn't, Azkaban works with a stable time loop system.
Jabbex15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, HISHE made fun of it in their video on it.
StaleTheBread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Read this comment of mine and its responses: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4m0st1/what_fact_are_you_tired_of_explaining_to_people/d3s164p
RuroniHS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually not what I have a problem with. My problem is that the events in the dementor encounter couldn't have happened.
StaleTheBread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh
itz4mna ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I love Harry Potter but the whole time-turner thing isn't a plot hole, it's a plot chasm.
NathVanDodoEgg ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 17:35:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Various gaming opinions:
Enjoying Fallout 4
Preferring Dark Souls 2 to Dark Souls 1/not liking Dark Souls 1
Saying that the "sex as a reward" sidequests in games were really awkward and cringey
Reacting badly towards someone calling me dumb for not enjoying Dragon Age Origins
Saying that Skyrim was as good as Morrowind.
Moral of the story: Don't have opinions not agreed upon by the hivemind.
Agent_Jesus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:56:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, they must have crucified you.
deadnotstupid ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:31:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Combining your opinions about Dragon Age and 'sex as a reward'. I'm currently really enjoying the dragon age series and feel that, in a large world RPG with a timeline that spans around 10 years (DA2), it would make sense that the character I'm playing would have relationships. I enjoy the changes in party conversations by this part of the role play.
But yes, the fact that you can only 'flirt' with NPCs who would be receptive means that the system kind of devolves the characters into sexual vending machines that pay out for choosing the right options or paying in the right compliments and gifts.
Why can't the flirt options be available with a majority of characters, and sometimes I get snubbed? Why don't characters 'flirt' with me and I'm going to have to actively work out a way to let them down whilst maybe having to find a way to still have them help in quest? It just feels like it would make it a richer system where they feel like real people with agency rather than there for masturbatory fodder.
Greco412 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this is a common issue for a lot of Bioware games. The "flirt" option is literally a "press here for sex" button.
SFXBTPD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the Witcher all the witches wanna bone and you have to fend some of them off
deadnotstupid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:18:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't played The Witcher but the mental images this statement have painted are hilarious and terrifying.
SirManguydude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:49:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Kaiden in ME3 ruined me ever wanting NPCs to "randomly" flirt with my character. Just thinking I am going to have lunch with my Bro, and he just drops a bomb.
Surely, if someone wanted to dedicate time to it, it could be good. But is it worth the risk of having an intensely awkward situation?
deadnotstupid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:17:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't played the Mass Effect Series so not sure about the intricacies of that example.
But if a characters tell me their not interested, or I have to tell them I'm not interested, it prevents the romance part of the role play becoming, as /u/Greco412 put it, 'a "press here for sex" button.'
Alexjp127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree to all of these. Well, I like Dark Souls 1, but 2 was more fun for me.
Also, I enjoy Fo4. Although, Bethesda made some questionable decisions I hope they learned from.
Everything thing else 100% agree.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But Bethesda is making up for it in the DLC, or I would imagine.
Mattlink123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What games have sex as reward side quests? The only one I can think of is ride to hell retribution.
Cyhawk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dragon Age. The dialog seemed like it was written by a 15yo fantasizing about vampire sex.
Mattlink123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Huh. Never played so I wouldn't know.
Noctuae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoyed DS2 more than DS1 as well, I didn't even realize people didn't like 2 more until I got into discussions about 3. I actually like 2 more than 3, as well.
CaptainPsychopath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
the sound effects in Dark Souls 2 are so bad though, like walking in grass sounds so compressed
MrShartsHimself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well when your opinion goes against the majority and most people use the downvote button as a disagree button, you can't be too surprised anymore
thebachmann ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 21:28:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Dark souls 2 is mechanically and graphically superior to dark souls 1 in every way. The story is only arguably worse, but it is by no means a sure thing. Weapon variety and pvp are definitely better. You can like 1 better, but if you actually look at dark souls 2, its better in every way.
Also origins is not that good, I much prefer inquisition.
robmox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:36:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've said several times in /r/gaming that Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 were both so bad that I don't understand how anyone could enjoy Witcher 3. So far, only upvotes. This site is weird sometimes.
ashskates ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
your opinions are: bad, bad, good, good, bad :) have a lovely afternoon
Orthodox-Waffle ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just your wrong opinion though
Combat_Panda91 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 16:43:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a comment in /r/childfree saying that a girl who was having issues with her boyfriend who has a young child should sit down and talk to him before she just packs up and leaves. I don't know why I thought that would go over well in that subreddit.
Tridaron ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:39:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've noticed that /r/childfree can easily turn into /r/childhate pretty quick.
teh_mexirican ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:57:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These last few weeks have had them focusing their ire against mombies more than getting bingoed and posting cf-friendly memes.
I actually considered making a post about that, how the sub has devolved into a bitchfest over entitled moms who can't raise their kids instead of being a support group for people who don't want to be parents themselves. I thought better of it because I value my imaginary internet points.
SailorMae ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:30:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I first found that sub I was like "oh cool like minded people that just don't want kids and want people to understand that that doesn't make them weird or a bad person!" But a lot of those people are nuts and some just downright mean. I stay away now for the most part.
kendrac13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That sub is really touch and go. Some seem to be ok and understand that choosing to be a parent doesn't automatically make you a terrible person but some hate anyone that chooses to reproduce.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:45:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's really sad. Even if you don't like kids you don't want to ruin the kids childhood. Honesty from adults goes a long way.
TechnoRaptor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:40:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Childfree is just people insecure about the decision to not have children and want to circle jerk and confirm that it's okay. I mean it is okay, but your body naturally wants it, so it's hard to shake the primal urge some times
neverbuythesun ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:25:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some of the stuff they spew about children/parents is hilarious. I get you don't want kids, but what's the point in hating on them? Leave them be and get on with your life!
schmuckmulligan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty childish imho.
June1111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:58:06 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the correct answer for them would have been, "Delete Facebook, hit the gym and lawyer up."
Burdiac ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:20:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I joked how Dexter ended after Trinity Killer and there were no other seasons after that one... -4
lucille-hits ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:02:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You should have gotten gold, not downvotes.
Chip_Clydesdale ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 14:51:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cat likes it when I rub her belly.
KnightInDulledArmor ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:57:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
YOU MONSTER!!!
xXx_WeedBlzr_420_xXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My cat doesn't :(
Fucking bitin my lef hand righ now.
GameRoom ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:14:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ, do you even ask for consent?
TanksAllFoes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cat.
TK-427 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cat
max81968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Zippocat. See rule 79.
ItsYaBoyChipsAhoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why is this considered bad
Hakusmash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My dog somehow walks on his back he loves his tummy being stroked that much!!!
kenjutsudude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, I was rubbing my cats belly as I read your comment just now.
ColonelSanders_1930 ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 14:45:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I thought The Big Lebowski is overrated
BreadButter008 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:51:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The Big Lebowski may well be my favourite film, but I understand if you don't like it.
Have my upvote here.
chris622 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:44:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I like "The Big Lebowski", I can understand why someone might not.
dryhumpback ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you and would go even farther and say the Coen brothers films are all overrated. I don't get all the love for them. Intolerable Cruelty is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
thebachmann ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Im not a huge fan of coen bros, but no country for old men is great
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think most of them are overrated. I really do like The Big Lebowski although I don't know if it deserves quite as much love as it gets. Same with Fargo. I think O Brother, Where Art Thou was good, though I haven't seen it since I was 8 or so, so I could be wrong. And Burn After Reading was incredible mediocre. The other ones I've seen, I've downright disliked.
lucille-hits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for that, Intolerable Cruelty is fucking terrible.
Trulymote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I've never been able to sit through one of their movies. I've only tried Fargo and the Big Lebowski to be fair though. So they might have made one that I would enjoy
dmkicksballs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love their suspense films. But my sense of humor seems to be vastly different than theirs. O' Brother, Serious Man, Lebowski, Fargo, etc. I really don't enjoy them and their humor sucks ass.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have never understood why people like that movie. I get in a lot of arguments about movies. I also don't like Star Wars.
GhandiHadAGrapeHead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You cant argue about whether or not you like a film, that is just taste. Arguing about how good a film is is a different story, maybe that is your issue.
Shnezzberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The force is not strong with this one...
Swissgiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't you like star wars?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not into fight scenes, and besides, the camera jumps around so much that I can't tell what's going on in them. Most of the dialogue in the first movie is just sloppy exposition. You don't get to know who the characters are. What are Luke's personality characteristics? We may never know. That makes me not care about the characters or anything that's happening. And besides that, I think good vs. evil is kind of a boring motivation that lets you get away with not having interesting characters.
mobilefennec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tbh I hope disney makes some off the original main storyline star wars movies that focus a bit more on the rich history of the universe.
ceetc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't like it, you don't like it, but to me it's the type of movie that gets better and better the more times you watch it. I thought it was okay the first time, great the second, and 3+ loved it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:25:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched all the movies like five times. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to change.
Symotix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The big lebowski is okay, its not terrible not great and it makes a fine addition to a weird movie night next to iron sky.
AmyLaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually hated the movie, didn't find it funny and think it's overrated...I guess that's pretty rare here (but most of my friends hated it too so idk)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
BradyBerserker ยท 161 points ยท Posted at 15:43:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was when Stan Lee said in an interview that he didn't want Sider-Man's race or sexuality ever altered. There was a big white guy circle jerk like, 'yeah! You tell em Stan! Fuck queers!" So I posted "This just in, hundred year old man thinks things should stay the same." Most downvotes I've received so far.
Alexjp127 ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 18:36:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a black Spider-Man, girl Spider-Man, pig Spider-Man, fucking flying Spider-Man.
His race has been altered, as has his fucking species. Although, I'm not so sure about sexuality.
CartoonsAreForKids ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 22:15:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spider Pig, Spider Pig,
Does whatever a Spider Pig can.
Can he swing from a web?
No he can't, he's a pig.
Watch out, he's a Spider Pig!
Alexjp127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a genuine version of Spider Pig. His name is Spider-HamTM
fireork12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:02:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Porker
thenoblitt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They were different people though, they werent peter parker.
Alexjp127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Peter Parker has been The Hulk though. ;)
Edit: Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_Points_(comics)
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In what is basically a What If story.
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I just thought it was a cool little fact.
wfaulk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I want to say Spider-Man 2099 was gay (I know he was hispanic), but I could be totally wrong. (Nope; I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure one of the 2099 characters was gay, though.)
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's not gay, he recently proposed to a woman.
jackelsano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS JUST IN:GAY SPIDER-MAN IS HERE TO TURN YOU INTO MAN LOVING SPIDER FUCKERS!
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What?
SucksAtLiving ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:29:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he just meant Peter Parker. As far as I know, he's still the same in all of his stuff but there are things like miles morales or spider woman that are people with the same powers that aren't Stan lee's Peter Parker.
vadergeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Miles Morales isn't a race-altered Peter Parker, he's his successor. Spider-Gwen and Spider-Ham are weird alternate-universes rather than the main Peter.
Katyperrystwinsister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He was raped by a guy, if that counts.
Alexjp127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow! I didn't know that. But, I don't think it counts. Is that cannon?
Katyperrystwinsister ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:42:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost certainly not. I'm too lazy to look for it, but if I remember correctly SM helps a kid who is being molested by telling him a story about another kid who was being molested. As he's swinging away, he says something along the lines of "little did Johnny know, I was the little kid in the story.". It happened like 50 years ago though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
iirc that actually was canon, or was made canon. i remember what you're talking about but i could be wrong.
insert_title_here ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:43:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean...honestly, as a member of the LGBTQ community a non-straight/cisgender A-List superhero would be nice. Unfortunately, it's probably not going to happen for a long time.
Cole-Spudmoney ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:23:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Who knows how things will turn out? Remember that before the Marvel Cinematic Universe started, none of the Avengers were A-list except maybe the Hulk.
spiritcrusher77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:14:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to downvote you, but if I had seen that comment, I probably would have downvoted it. Seems like you were misrepresenting what he said.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:58:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't the context of the quote Lee saying he didn't want Peter Parker altered as it would change too much? He didn't say no Non-Peter Parker Spider-Man hence all the versions.
get_a_pet_duck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think bringing up his age is a terrible way to make his point. Why should his age matter if he is the de facto expert on the subject
GenocidalNinja ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:57:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Peter Parker should stay the same as that would change a lot of interactions he has, which doesn't work when you get to know the character as intimately as you do Peter. That said, I love Miles Moralis and think he deserves his own movie at some point. But I do think that comment is hilarious, despite him and Ditko being the more progressive comic book writers/artists at the time.
shadowdorothy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:15:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People didn't know the capital of New York state isn't New York City. Really people? Did you fail 3rd grade geography?
Fuzzlechan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I... didn't actually know that. Though I'm also not from the US.
shadowdorothy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you aren't from the US you have an excuse. It's not like we learn other countries province capitals. But if you're from the US you should have learned that by 5th grade, and no later.
Fuzzlechan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:33:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know the capitals of all the Canadian provinces! :D
Warpato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair if you're not living in New York it's completely useless information to retain/know and has absolutely no bearing on anything....and I say that as someone who loves geography
MilkChugg ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:26:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I told a guy that I was sorry to hear about his loss on a picture he posted about his dog that had recently passed away.
SFRoussimoff ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:49:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a local news story that involved a local mailman pepper-spraying a 10-pound daschund mix because he felt "threatened" by its barking. I got down voted for suggesting that if you feel "threatened" by 10-pound dogs you maybe aren't cut out to be a mailman. Like, who thinks that pepper spraying a tiny dog is a defendable action? And I'm saying that as somebody who was attacked by a Shih Tzu as a child.
KroegKind ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:15:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that...
have an upvote
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:59:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You knew OP as a child?
SFRoussimoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
More likely he browses the city's subreddit. It was a pretty recent story
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the last sentence and the reply I responded to.
KroegKind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was front page for awhile bruh
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the last sentence and the comment I responded to.
DeutschLeerer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:17:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shitzu.... hehehe.
rattfink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friend had a dachshund growing up. That thing was mean. They didn't really discipline it properly and let it walk all over them. So it barked, and snapped and bit people all the time. Except for me. Because I bopped it on the snout when it tried that shit and I stared that little shit down so he knew not to duck with me any more. Some people have no idea that taking care of dogs properly requires discipline. You can't really reason with dogs. Bad behavior must be punished, and good behavior rewarded. Which is not to say be abusive towards your dogs, but you do have to let them know who is boss.
With all that said, I think a mailman is perfectly right in pepper spraying a ten pound puppy. Mailmen shouldn't have to deal with dog bites. Even little dogs fucking hurt when they bite. And they mailman doesn't know whether the dog is rabid or not, or anything else about it except that it's trying to bite him.
If the owner has a dog that is going to attack a mailman, they need to deal with the problem. The mailman has a job to do, and babysitting special snowflake dogs that are trying to bite is not part of it.
SFRoussimoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The dog in question was well-trained and friendly. And yeah a small dog could maybe break the skin if it got you good, but you will never see the headline "Man Mauled to Death by Loose Daschund". It's just an overreaction for that kind of dog is what I'm saying.
rattfink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any mailman that pepper sprays a dog not acting aggressively is an asshole, no argument there. However, I think mailmen shouldn't have to put up with being bit at all, regardless of how big or small the dog. Nor should they have to worry about tailoring their reaction to the size of the dog. It's their job to deliver mail, not to get chewed on because "its only a little dog."
aquaman54 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 14:09:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted a picture of a newly announced Lego wheelchair piece to /r/lego
[deleted] ยท 84 points ยท Posted at 17:48:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Thisis___speaking ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:31:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah man, it was totally due to white/ableist privilege! /s
PM_YOUR_NICE_TITS ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:17:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't seen that before! It's actually a cute peice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
awww
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:46:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disgusting! You didn't even bother to match the hands to the face you monster!
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
flesh coloured gloves?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But lego flesh is yellow!
RQK1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes and no
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It at least needs to match!
xNexx_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Call me heretic or whatever, but I prefer the flesh-coloured over the yellow pieces
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:12:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just imagined you posting a picture of the piece without any explanation or post title and thought it was hilarious
TheSalmon25 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:04:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
PC culture is ruining our lego!!!! (/s)
AllRushMixtape ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:53:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Careful. That S is too close to the lego. You're likely to get downvotes and comments about how "The plural of Lego is not Legos!!"
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:01:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talking about minorities on reddit? Shame on you! /s
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Now I can make my very own Lego Chloe Price
TimothyBertrand ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I told some folks over at /r/futurology that journalists hadn't all been replaced by robots. Got downvoted and spammed with a hundred links to the same story about algorithms automatically writing/posting news storiesโwhich I already knew about, since I'm one of the humans that gathers information to plug into some of these article writers. The tech isn't quite there to fully replace human journalists and frankly never will be unless autonomous robots learn how to navigate incredibly complex locations to find just the right people to talk to and ask just the right questions. It'll be a human job for a long time, but I guess that spoiled their image of the "future".
FourO40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:19:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly one of the things I look for in journalism is personality.
Some guys are just very good at putting together articles that make you know who wrote it without seeing an author tag.
Robots replacing journalism would suck big time for me.
o11c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:24:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically, all those Redditors could easily be replaced by robots.
SF_Hydro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:17:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted for a comment I made about a wife who had been cheating on her husband with another man. I replied to a commenter who was blaming the other man and saying stuff like "if I was her husband I'd have beat the shit out of that guy".
I commented saying that we didn't know the full story and that it was possible that the other man didn't even know that the woman was married. Got met with a load of downvotes for that.
asoiahats ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:34:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once expressed pity for the subject of a post on r/justneckbeardthings. That got me a -30.
sign_on_the_window ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:30:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I see that a lot on the subreddit. It's one thing to make fun of a arrogant asshole and another thing to make fun of someone who clearly need help and guidance that they were probably robbed of while growing up. Reminds me of Craig Ferguson's speech.
Paedor ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:55:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think what we all forget is that when people are bullied it's usually that kind of person. Even if they're cringy as fuck we shouldn't jump on them to the extent we do.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the audience. There's a difference between a national audience and in the car with your friends. Is a celebrity ever going to find out what a 20 something year old from Iowa said about their dogshit movie to his boss? Probably not.
DenikaMae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
True.
It's funny, I used to actually like Kevin Costner before I actually met him, but that was 20 years ago, so I try not hold it against him. It's not like he gave me VD or anything.
_ooze_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I first came across that subreddit I found it entertaining, but then I started coming across outright mean comments and it turned me off.
Some of those commenters imo are just as "cringy" and mean as the subjects of the stories.
ch0a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A large portion of the posts on there are screenshots of jokes between friends and the only cringy thing is what oblivious people comment on the threads.
Trulymote ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:43:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the people there are just bullies
BASEDME7O ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah for people that should sympathize the most Reddit has zero sympathy and sometimes flat out animosity for guys who can't get girls
plsnomoar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:33:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd bet a lot of it is hardcore projection by other guys in the same position, which only makes the bullying sadder.
1III1I1II1III1I1II ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Defending the target never goes down well in those abuse/mockery subreddits. Same goes for /r/cringe.
PantsInOrbit ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 16:21:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try. I'm not going to get myself downvoted a second time.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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3_headed_hydreigon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:22:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You literally have no downvoted comments.
SkeetAllOverTheWalls ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 15:03:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a TIL thread about Limp Bizkit filming a video on top of the World Trade Center. My comment was "I wish the planes would have hit the day they were filming"
KariusTouchMyBalls ยท 180 points ยท Posted at 16:13:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed but I still wouldn't say that's unreasonable down voting.
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good joke, but still totally justified in being downvoted.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What difference does it make though. Fact remains that over 2,000 people died and none of them were Limp Bizkit. And if he was going for a joke, which it sounds like he was, then saying something like "I wish he'd gotten the flu that day" isn't funny.
MrFoolsDay ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:04:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would have done well screen capping and posting to r/imgoingtohellforthis instead.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:27:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea this sub existed and upon visiting it I laughed my ass off at every single post I saw. I think it's definitely fair to assume I am going to hell.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:24:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you knew the risks when you posted that.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:28:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surely you can understand why you got downvoted, though, even if you think it wasn't justified. Jokes about events that kill thousands of people don't always play that well.
neverbuythesun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we could joke about anything?
jackelsano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's plenty of jokes about the Iran and Afghanistan invasions, a few more people were killed there but those jokes play well for some reason.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:30:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's not America.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know of many such jokes. If you're talking about puns and stuff, there's a difference between making a pun based on someone's name and suggesting that someone ought to have died in a tragic event (no matter how bad their music is).
jackelsano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, it's just a double standard.
robmox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:33:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably the funniest thing I've read in this thread. Bravo.
SkeetAllOverTheWalls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. People just need to understand that it was a joke, plane and simple.
robmox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:13:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You sonuvabitch.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not unreasonable, but I would have upvoted it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is pretty unreasonable. I think people know that that you were joking (who would want the planes to actually crash lol) but the wanted to act offended. Or maybe I just don't take things so seriously and other people were actually offended at a joke
RedditAndPi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Up voted this, probably would have down voted your original comment though, sorry man
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean. That's reasonable to downvote.
Pretty fucked up thing to say.
dryhumpback ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 14:56:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once made a broken arms comment that got 230 downvotes. It was a weird comment, I'll grant, but that seemed a little harsh.
King_of_the_Kobolds ยท 197 points ยท Posted at 15:22:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Memes are pretty much reddit roulette. You have a completely random chance of getting downvoted to Hades and back or getting a month's worth of gold.
If there's rhyme or reason to reddit's reactions, I've yet to see it.
Shigjetar ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:42:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have decided that is entirely up to the first vote. A 0 will get another -1 and a 2 will get another +1. It's just how Reddit works most of the time.
HappyGangsta ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:24:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I frequent call of duty subreddits and they can't seem to decide what they want. I'll see one opinion prevail in one thread and literally an hour from then see a thread that is the polar opposite of what the last thread was.
demonmutantninjazomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as it goes negative or positive the hive mind comes in and starts up voting or down voting depending on wether you have an upvote or downvote.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:30:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I second this. It's not even flavour of the week; sometimes it's flavour of the hour.
Arbaregni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
flavour of the second
KroegKind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Flavor of the root post
ItsYaBoyChipsAhoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
flavor of the first 5 people who vote on the comment
DoctorPenisEnvy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:26:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There's a subreddit (probably /r/cats) where you get banned for saying anything other than the word "cat." Every post has hundreds of comments that say cat, and there's always one that has hundreds of downvotes. It's pretty funny.
EDIT: It's /r/CatsStandingUp. Thanks, /u/King_of_the_Kobolds
King_of_the_Kobolds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that's r/catsstandingup.
DoctorPenisEnvy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You got it, guy.
DweadPiwateWawbuts ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:29:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit can be pretty fickle about a lot of things. Not long ago, Jennifer Lawrence could do no wrong as far as Reddit was concerned; now it seems there is a huge chunk of Reddit that hates her.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Lost interest when they saw her tits I'd guess
Swissgiant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about timing, arms comments have been out of fashion for months. You can still get a Colby the dog comment in and dat Boi references are still vogue.
cragglerock93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It all hinges on the reaction of the first few people reading and voting on it. If it gets to 5 points or so then it might continue to go up and up, but if it gets to -5 then you can be almost certain that it will go down further as people jump on the bandwagon.
mattab29 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But doesn't one reddit gold last a month?
King_of_the_Kobolds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
Josent ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 16:38:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the title?
[deleted] ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A farewell to arms?
CT2169 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:35:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a famous thread where a guy broke his arms, and his mom starting jerking him off.
onioning ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And for the rest of the context, reddit won't let us forget. Can't mention broken arms without the reference.
DarwinRue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
he probably should have seeked medical attention, but to each his own I suppose.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i remember. Grossed me out and made me laugh all at the same time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that just the beginning though?
CT2169 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:48:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it lead to sex.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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4tchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it's been removed. Check our /r/MuseumOfReddit sometime though
BASEDME7O ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 18:06:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:08:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am sooooooooooo so sick of that reference. I got sick of it pretty much immediately.
quantum-quetzal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:51:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It used to be the common Reddit comment that I hated the most, but the elaborate stories that lead up to something about a serious tag piss me off the most.
4tchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not as bad as 'this'
d23lee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it's time for that reference to die. Unfortunately, everytime I see the broken arms thing posted, it has a bunch of upvotes. But glad to see some people are finally getting tired of it.
AmyLaze ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:35:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
you deserved it
1forresst1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ah reddit, the only place the meta is only funny depending on the hive minds mood.
flamedarkfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OP said unreasonable downvotes.
skilliard4 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:03:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got dozens of downvotes for saying that I felt Witcher 3 is overrated lol
AChalkStorm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:27:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got dozen of downvotes for saying I loved TW3 but thought its main story sucked. No one dared to actually discuss it with me, they just hit the downvote button.
kenjutsudude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:23:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll actually partially agree with you. I didn't think the main story sucked per se, but I enjoyed all the sidequest storylines much more. I think Geralt is in his prime when dealing with 'smaller' situations instead of grand, sweeping stories.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Praise Geraldo del Rivero
DinoRawr9000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Praise the S- oops, wrong sub.
FiveootofSeven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm kind of with you here. Yeah the story is great but the gameplay is just the same thing since the tutorial. I still haven't finished it because I always get bored half way through.
icos211 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What difficulty do you play on? It honestly gets more fun the higher you set it, because the whole thing with the Witcher series' gameplay is planning and preparation. While 3 isn't as hard on this as 2, you need to go into every single fight with a plan and supplies that are appropriate for that specific enemy, as well as have practice and skill in different ways of fighting (such as dealing with swarms vs. lumbering boss-types). I'm a huge Witcher fanboy, though, so the dealing with potions and oils and reading through the bestiary and such is honestly a huge part of the fun for me. Plus Gwent.
DenikaMae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got bored with the gameplay too. I still plan on eventually going back, but it just seemed like something I'd rather not put my time into ATM.
Symotix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really enjoyed it. Maybe that's because I yearned for the kind if elements and story that it had, but I wouldn't say its a perfect game. If you're not into that kind of game, you don't look at it with pink glasses like most people, I can see why you might think its overated.
astrobeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the same way about Overwatch and Bioshock Infinite. They all barely met my expectations, and they were pretty low to begin with.
dmkicksballs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same with Infinite. Loved BioShock, but Infinite's gameplay was so bad I almost didn't finish. I legit had to turn it on easy just to get through it quicker because I didn't want to finish it.
thebachmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Graphically it can't be beat, but I really dont like the combat.
Trulymote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you 1000%
dmkicksballs13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it's the gameplay. It does not look up to par with modern games. I felt the same about Skyrim. It's clunky and cheap looking.
Dauds_Whalers ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:29:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a post that was about games you regretted buying or something similar, I said the Witcher 3.
salbris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious, why? I haven't played the game yet :)
Dauds_Whalers ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's the first massively popular game in years that I just genuinely didn't like. I find the majority of the characters annoying/completely blank, the story just seems dreary, and I couldn't stand the combat and movement systems. The graphics were the only thing going for it, to me. Different people, different games I suppose :p
A_Spork_In_The_Road ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Did you give a reason? I think when you post a highly controversial opinion without backing it up whatsoever, people will probably think you're trolling or just trying to be edgy.
Edit: a word, and im not saying you should have been downvoted, just discussing why you may have been.
Dauds_Whalers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's probably where I went wrong to be honest.
ChaIroOtoko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Even that would not have helped. Witcher 3 is THE game of last year. Plus the studio that made that game CDPR is much loved.
You had the odds against you mate.
Verbism ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:38:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The question was something like "What is the best thing you can get for $5?" Apparently "A handjob" was not an appreciated answer by the fine people of reddit.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:42:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A $5 handjob may not be a very good handjob.
Carnivorous_Jesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:45:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Supply and demand
Eptar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a thread yesterday, "What's the most fun you can have for a dollar?", or something along those lines. You just gotta say "A really sad handjob." to get those upjobs.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why pay $5 for something you can get for free?
lucille-hits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have an upvote!
Tromboneofsteel ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:11:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A short reply on /r/gaming saying that consoles were better than PCs for mobility. I can bring an xbox to and from the dorm much easier than a PC.
It got to around -40. I still get irrationality angry when people rail on consoles for no reason.
FourO40 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:10:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably because the "mobility" in question was probably misunderstood.
When I think of mobile gaming I think of being able to take your device with you and play your games while on a car or bus ride, or playing games while on a lunch break at school or work, etc. like playing games on a phone or tablet.
In that sense a console is no more mobile than a PC.
Manirattan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:23:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can use a laptop.
Konvexen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:06:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, yet respect your right to have an opinion.
demonmutantninjazomb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:54:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A mini ITX PC can be just as portable as a console not including monitor or a mouse. Other PCs? Not so much.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:12:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I barely ever touch consoles and I can admit that that's a good point.
rozaa95 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 04:07:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you can argue against it as well by saying a laptop is more portable so i guess it goes both ways
crademaster ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:42:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I voiced my opinion about a certain twist we all saw coming in Game of Thrones this season. Namely, the end of the second episode. Everyone else on the subreddit was like 'PRAISE JESUS!!!' While I... I rolled my eyes and was a little disappointed in the obvious plot armour and the fact that nobody else would be getting such special treatment. My comment just asked if I was the only one disappointed by the twist. Got downvoted into oblivion. Haven't gone back to the sub since.
Dragon_Fisting ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers:
Jon coming back to life was more like an anti-twist imo. The obvious twist would have been Jon warging into Ghost, varamyr six-skins style.
BoxOfNothing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you implying like 90%+ of people didn't know or believe he was coming back?
DweadPiwateWawbuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was the eye-rolling thing. Comes off as a little pretentious.
crademaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SPOILERS BELOW!!
My reply was actually literally just the following (you can check my post history about a month ago if you want):
I didn't even do an eye-roll or anything. That's all! Currently I'm at -32 hahaha.
DweadPiwateWawbuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yeah in that case it's just the unpopular opinion thing then!
BulletWontHarmadillo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Returning to life is just one of a few plot twists surrounding Jon Snow.
Mr_Austine ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I 100% agreed with you, I thought it was a bit of a cop out from the show writers giving in to popular opinion. Every other character who dies stayed dead. Just happened to be that this one was wildly popular.
BoxOfNothing ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:39:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cop out from the show writers? It's telegraphed in the books, it's happening, it's a major event and of course they're going to include it in the show. Blame GRRM if you want, even though I disagree at least you'd be blaming the right person.
Mr_Austine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh really? Sorry then, it has been a while since I read the books. Shifting the blame to George then
Fuego_pants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I somewhat agree. But it's not so out of the realm of possibility, since resurrection was established as a possibility a long time ago with Beric ETA - BOOK SPOILER
WIth the Sir Dondarrion thing, not ALL characters stay dead. Lady Stoneheart...
weekendofsound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't even read the books and know that there are many, many characters that have "died" but do not stay dead.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:03:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once commented about how Reddit is adamantly pro-gay, but when it comes to trans rights, most people act like Tumblr invented transexuals and go on these huge rants about the First Amendment and whatnot, but never actually bother doing research on it because they're too mentally frail in anticipation of their majority opinions actually being completely wrong. 0 to -100 real quick.
powerspyin1 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:23:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Saying that the Arsenal ladies were better than the Arsenal men on the Soccer subreddit.
MKE-Soccer ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:12:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
r/soccer is an Arsenal cesspool. COYS.
NathVanDodoEgg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:26:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm a Man United fan, so I'm safe there, I imagine that they're arseholes towards Spurs fans.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, depends on the flavour of the month. You lot are just having a rough one due to Newcastle
Professional_Bob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can get absolutely shat on just for being an Arsenal fan in /r/soccer quite easily. It all depends on which way the jerk is blowing with that sub.
EVILEMU ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people assumed you were implying that the ladies would be better than the men if playing against each other.
Weren't you implying that the ladies team was better in their league?
jackelsano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
OFF WITH YOUR HEAD, HEATHEN!
AcesAgainstKings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In what way? In terms of footballing skill then yeah you were flat out wrong. I haven't researched but maybe the Ladies team have won more trophies and are better in comparison to the other teams in their league than the men's team. But given you just said they were better than the men I can't give you much sympathy.
(Yeah I know you're only supposed to downvote if it doesn't contribute to the discussion but let's face it that's not common practice and the opinion you shared was ignorant on a level to not contribute to any meaningful discussion anyway).
Yewotm69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you can't really tell if they don't play each other. The only way to compare men and women's sporting abilities is through things like track times, where men hold almost all the records.
marteta8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:54:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Many teams do actually play each other. For example the Swedish ladies national team frequently plays U17 swedish boys clubs. Most games the U17 wins by 5+ goals which proves the difference in quality.
Sweatylettuces ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha nice
sapphoserror ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fing about Arsenal is, they always try an' walk it in.
House_of_Suns ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 14:24:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whenever I point out how crazy America's gun fetish is. The rest of the first world does fine without guns.
LynxingParty ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 15:44:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I somtimes get downvoted for being European and pro-gun. And I usually get loads of shitty comparisons that assume I want American gang levels of gun violence, when what I really want is just the right to own a self defense weapon under strict regulation.
Hodor_The_Great ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:16:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
We can own guns under strict regulation in most of Europe. Carrying laws are pretty limiting though, but at least here you can have guns at home
LynxingParty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not for self-defense, though.
caramaramel ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:43:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a unicorn? But in all seriousness, props to you man. As a bit of a story, my grandfather's friend moved to Germany and wanted a gun. He went to a police station and asked where he could get one. They laughed at him and simply said, "Why do you need a gun? Call us and we'll be there in 2 minutes." I feel that most people who say something like that don't realize is that 10 seconds is all it takes. It's also incredibly convenient that the only people that are allowed to carry guns want to delegitimize the claims of those who aren't allowed to be armed.
Edit: I also wanted to mention that it's comical that those people claim that you want American levels of gang violence, because what they seem to realize is that over 90% of those gangs that are using guns are owning them illegally. Gun control sure helped get the guns out of the gangs!
StabbyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
huh. i'm in seattle, and it's currently "call us when someone gets hurt/killed and we'll get there."
LynxingParty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest problem is the argument that criminals can be better trusted with the lives of law-abiding citizens, than vice versa. After Bataclan I was talking with friends, and mentioned the way Israel handles random attacks. They encourage citizens to carry their weapons, and their security guards are armed. Immediately one said that "more guns equals more deaths". I had to point out that they killed 100+ people, and that was exactly what they intended to do. An armed person isn't going to escalate that situation. It escalated a long time ago.
There's this idea that if you keep calm and quiet, the criminals will simply not harm you. Maybe in an ideal world, but in an ideal world they wouldn't be robbing you in the first place. Frankly, I think it's a bit demagogue-y to suggest that people who haven't broken any laws can't be trusted with guns, but people who breaks laws as a matter of course can.
All I'm asking for is a limited range of handguns available for self-defense, and a mandatory license with courses. We trust poorly paid police officers with minimal range-time with guns, and it only barely goes wrong. In fact, our only mass shooting incident happened because the police dropped the ball. Of course, the responsible politician wasted no time in implicating law-abiding users and tried to push through more laws.
Our deadliest attack to date was commited with a car.
CartoonsAreForKids ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gun control didn't get guns out of the gangs because we've never had effective gun control. The NRA and the rest of the gun lobby would never allow gun control measures to be put in place. There was a time when the NRA was a good, non-political organization that just protected gun rights. Now it's entirely under the thumb of weapon manufacturers.
nbarbettini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Despite the stereotype, I think a lot of Americans would want the same thing.
Ran4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One leads to the other though. And I'm sure you're aware of that.
[deleted] ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:03:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got this once saying that I like guns but people should be taught how to correctly use and store them. Countless down votes and comments "educating" me about my stupid views from the pro-gun crowd. I don't get it.
notacareerserver ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:25:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone pro-gun, very pro-gun, I apologize for those assholes. I firmly believe everyone who owns one should know how to properly use and store them! This will probably get me downvoted lol but whatever. I'm 6 months along with my son, and we plan on drilling it in to him pretty early about gun safety, are never ever toys, etc.. I want to start taking him to the range with me around 9 or 10 and teach him how to properly handle and shoot.
There was an incident a few years back in my hometown where a 13 year old boy and his mother were tied up in a home invasion. The intruder had them tied in the master bedroom and left them for a few minutes to I guess ransack their stuff. The little boy managed to get loose, slam and lock the master door. His dad had taught him how to load and fire his 9mm. Little boy retrieved it, and shot the intruder (who by then was trying to kick the door in) through the bedroom door. Probably saved him and his mother's life. I'd be so damn proud of my kid, man. And it was all because his daddy worked with him and made sure he was knowledgable and comfortable in the event he needed to use it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:40:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in the same boat. At this point, guns are so widely available and to completely get rid of them would take years. I think it would be better to have mandatory education in schools for gun safety and how to treat them with respect (most schools already have Drivers Ed). It's also not the guns that scare me. It's the people who think just because they're easily accessible means that they are qualified to carry.
Luthien8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:03:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But that boy killed someone...
notacareerserver ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:12:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He killed someone in defense of his and his mother's lives. Someone that was hopped on on drugs and they had no way of knowing if he'd KILL THEM. someone who had invaded their home and tied them up. That's completely justifiable.
Luthien8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:24:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I don't know dude, I just don't get it I guess
notacareerserver ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:28:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How do you not get protecting yourself and your family? The chances of a 13 year old boy (who was home sick, for the record, this happened during the day) being able to take down a fully grown, methed out man are slim to none. He did what he had to do.
Aiurar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly curious what your qualm here is.
Situation: a person forces their way into your home and ties you and your family members up in the same room, presumably with force. They then proceed to steal/destroy most of your property unopposed. You escape and separate yourself from them momentarily with a locked door...
Would you rather the kid here sit back and let himself get beaten to death? Is it more morally righteous somehow to let a burglar kill you rather than violently respond to their clear and present threat? A door won't last anywhere near long enough for law enforcement to do anything other than catalogue the bodies.
What would you actually do?
For me, if you have broken into my home and threatened me or my family, your life is my concern only after my family is safe. The best way to ensure that safety quickly is a serious wound, and a gun minimizes the danger to my own person in such a conflict. Unfortunately, shooting to disable is more risky than shooting to kill, so in the heat of the moment a chest or abdomen shot is the safest way to go.
I get it, it sucks when anyone dies, but I'm willing to admit that I'm selfish enough to refuse limiting my options for self-preservation based on a stranger's life once they've committed violence against me.
Luthien8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:15:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I get your point completely, and I'd definitely do anything I can if someone pointed a gun at my loved ones. I just think the entire notion that you can actually hold someone's life in your own hands so weird.
And that a boy just took it... I would never be proud, even if I successfully protected my loved ones. I guess I get it in a literal sense, just not you know morally? That you can actually kill someone.
Anyway thanks for your long reply
Aiurar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And thanks or your explanation!
Diarygirl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:06:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hardly comment about guns because there are some really unreasonable pro-gun people. I think there should be a limit on the number of handguns a person can own, and there should be a mandatory training course before you can buy a gun.
I think this is perfectly reasonable but the gun people think there should be zero restrictions because of the 2nd amendment.
boreas907 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:51:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm legitimately curious as to why you think the number should be limited. Ten guns aren't more dangerous than one gun, unless perhaps you also happen to have ten arms. And what if I have heirlooms/antiques that I want to keep for sentimental reasons, but I don't want to subject them to the strain of repeated use? Should I have to sell my grandfather's revolver because I'd prefer to carry something that's not an antique?
Commando388 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are people currently required to take a gun safety course before handling a gun in the US? Because if not then that seems like a reasonable measure to take as well as requiring your license to be on you at any time you're firing a weapon. Safety is key.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No idea. I'm an Aussie and although I lived in the USA for a few years I'd never dare talk about guns with an American
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a subject that many Americans are passionate about (for and against) and when you're a happy middle ground it's best to avoid all talk of guns. I'm not into confrontation or debate either way, and I don't mean it as an attack on Americans, it just seems a very inflammatory topic at the best of times.
kilroyishere89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before handling, like picking up to look at or shoot? No.
Depending on the state, there are licenses and restrictions for buying a gun. In my state, Florida, for instance, I can go to the local gun store and purchase a long gun(rifle/shotgun) and take it home that same day, after filling out a background check form and passing said check.
For a handgun, there is a three day waiting period. You go to the store and pick out and pay for the gun, but you are not allowed to take it home until three days later. It is a law that is in theory supposed to prevent a husband/wife/bf/gf from going out and buying a handgun and murdering their spouse/bf/gf.
When it comes to concealed carry, there is a license, as well(in most states); and there is most likely a class you must take and pass before you can get a CCW licence.
Commando388 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:34:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As someone born and raised around guns with my Grandparents owning a cattle ranch and my cousins living in Midland, Texas, I would not be opposed to a mandatory Gun Safety course with a test at the end like a Drivers test, including Range time so they have controlled experience handling a gun before they take it home. I would be all for something like that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:30:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe you.
Liniis ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 15:13:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same when I point out that not all police officers are Nazis.
onioning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's entirely dependant on context. Could be massively up voted too. Definitely one way or another.
CartoonsAreForKids ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:05:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're either a racist who supports cops killing minorities, or you're a pussy cuck anarchist.
[deleted] ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 14:50:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pro second amendment, but understand the need for gun control to some degree.
Whenever I get into a Reddit argument about it, people say they want guns banned by the government because they kill people. That argument is fine but if you feel that way, you need to be fine with the government banning alcohol and cigarettes. They kill a lot more people a year than guns and cause a greater strain on society.
jam11249 ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 15:00:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's a big difference in that alcohol and cigarettes predominantly kill the people who choose to use them, rather than bystanders. The effect of smoking on non-smokers has in most of the developed world lead to widespread bans on smoking indoors and even in cars in some places.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The vast majority of gun deaths are by suicide..
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:13:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There are roughly 9,000 deaths in the US from drunk driving and roughly 11,000 murders from guns.
The point I'm making is that a lot of people argue that guns should be banned because they kill people. They just need to accept that other things that cause deaths should be banned as well.
hey_listen_link ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 15:37:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Drunk driving is banned, though, so I wouldn't use that as your argument.
I'm not a gun ban person, though I think they should require training and licencing to own and use, the same as a car.
palerthanrice ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And so is murder.
hey_listen_link ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I see what you're saying, but it's still a flawed comparison, because simply driving drunk is banned, not just killing someone with your car while drunk.
Is firing a gun outside of a designated area illegal? Genuine question, because that should make them more similar.
palerthanrice ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:10:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It varies from state to state, but there's unlawful discharge, intentional/negligent/careless discharge, illegal use of a weapon, and reckless discharge.
ForThisIJoined ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:00:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. You can get in big trouble for firing a gun off in most cities, near highways/interstates, or just being in the wrong place. You can also get slapped with secondary charges for causing a panic if there are people around.
Basically a Gun is only legal for self defense, target shooting in designated areas, and hunting. Use of a firearm outside of those three by the public is gonna end up with tickets or arrests.
Also take into consideration that the statistics on Gun deaths aren't just murders. They include accidents and in some cases suicides. Just like how Alcohol related deaths may include things that aren't strictly drunk driver killing bystanders.
And I guess my addition to their points is: If you ban guns outright you might as well ban things that are just as dangerous and just as "unhelpful" to the country.
I'm all for improving the quality of our background checks in the US, but there's a whole can of worms associated with anything regulating the tracking or outright banning of them. I'm not sure there's budget or manpower enough to enforce those things let alone the support to pass such laws.
Peoples_Bropublic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You've got it backwards. There are about 11k gun suicides a year in America, and only about 600 "accidental" gun deaths. I put accidental in quotes, as most are truthfully due to negligence, not accident.
ForThisIJoined ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I put "in some cases" because a lot of the gun death statistics I've seen in the past only dealt with people killed by other people, not themselves.
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guns (specifically handguns) are a terrible idea for self defense though. Unless you're trained to use them you won't get much mileage out of your glock when someone charges at you with a knife.
Even police officers oftentimes think they're safe because they have a gun even though they are not. It's possible for a trained officer to be stabbed by a man running at him from 7 meters away before he can draw and fire his gun.
Even if he does get the shot off in time it's not likely to stop the threat in time unless he hits a nerve (or the brain).
For a gun to be effective for self defense you'd need to have the gun drawn before a life threatening scenario and you'd need to place your shots very well (unless you're using a rifle/shotgun). It can also be useful as a deterrent but that only works on sane people and in the case of sane people you usually have time to react.
Not to say police officers shouldn't carry guns (obviously they should), but they should also be aware of their limitations and impracticality in close quarters and so should the general public.
If I'm wrong or made a mistake anywhere please tell me and I will reply.
Aldwood ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point then becomes we need to ban alcohol since it leads to drunk driving.
hey_listen_link ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you see my post above? I don't think we should ban guns.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:41:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It is a valid comparison, Alchohol-> Drunk driving
Guns-> Gun murders
Both kill innocent bystanders through the actions of people. Gun murder is banned, Drunk Driving is banned. Both are only possible through the medium of choice, ban alchohol-> No drunk driving Ban guns-> no gun murders. I don't understand how this isn't a valid comparison at all.
ihj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Object: Alcohol-> can be dangerous and is strictly regulated in most states Action: Drunk Driving->illegal activity, with much time and money is spent curbing the activity through strict enforcement and additional laws
Object: Guns-> can be dangerous and NOT strictly regulated in most states Action: Gun Murders->illegal activity, with less time and money spent curbing the activity, and specific laws blocking enforcement.
/u/hey_listen_link is trying to say we should actually try to treat the two threats to safety the same, and suggesting we ban guns is as much of a non-starter as alcohol prohibition.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're on your own property, or at a range, it's fine besides the obvious stuff like noise complaints from nearby neighbors. If you're in someone else's property (who doesn't consent to your popping off rounds into their back fence), or public property, shit becomes very illegal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Firing a gun in public is banned and can get you multiple charges. Besides the discharging a firearm in a public place you can get brandishing, gross negligence, inciting panic, disturbing the peace, possible manslaughter and property damage, and much more. Depending on the state some can get you for illegal open carry, others for illegal concealed carry, others for not having a gun in a case or locked up with a trigger or barrel lock.
thegeicogecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem like that flawed of a comparison. Gun deaths happen because people have guns and then do illegal things with them. Drunk driving deaths happen because people have alcohol and then do illegal things while consuming it.
If you banned guns you would reduce gun deaths. If you banned alcohol you would reduce drunk driving deaths.
Peoples_Bropublic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There aren't "designated areas," for shooting guns in most jurrisdictions, but there are scenarios and places where it's definitely illegal to draw, brandish, or discharge a firearm. It's not like you can stroll around downtown popping shots off in the air for no good reason.
notasrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's different. Being charged with only drunk driving means you were not legally allowed to be operating the vehicle at all.
That's a separate charge from actually killing someone in that state.
For it to be similar, the comparison would have to be:
1) People who were not legally permitted to operate a firearm vs people who were not legally permitted to operate a vehicle
2) People who killed someone with a firearm vs people who killed someone with a vehicle
The comparisons get kind of tricky. There's also the issue of intent vs accidents/negligence. Then if you consider the purpose/intended use, it gets even trickier. This is why I dislike the comparisons between things like alcohol/cars/drunk driving and firearms. They may share some points that can be compared, but that doesn't mean they're good comparisons in support of or against the other.
KairyuSmartie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the point of a gun is to kill someone/something
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Driving is legal. Gun ownership is legal.
Drunk driving is illegal. Murder is illegal.
They're both legal to own, but can be used illegally.
aezart ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:10:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see the argument, but a car is not designed first and foremost as a killing device. A gun is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about a car. It's about alcohol. And alcohol is specifically designed to remove inhibitions and limit good judgement.
A gun is designed specifically to fire a bullet. That might be hunting, sport shooting (I own a gun for target shooting-- I would never use it for hunting or home defense), or self defense.
Alcoholic beverages are specifically designed for the affect they have on a person. That effect is the same thing that makes them dangerous. Alcohol can be used responsibly, but even then the purpose is just to experience the effects in a more moderate manner. I don't really see any difference.
Rivka333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Does that really matter if the car is killing people? The result is the same. (not a gun owner, and I haven't made up my mind about guns).
twlscil ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:29:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What use does a gun have other than its ability to fire projectiles. A car has a general utility.
notasrelevant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:38:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It does when considering intent. The vast majority of car related deaths are not intentional. It's an unfortunate risk of driving, not a purposeful design. Cars are being advanced and being legally required to have more and more safety features that prevent those deaths as well.
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:15:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Also cars are used all the damn time to get around. Guns are only used recreationally and for malicious intents. How many people do you know that get up in the morning and pop a few at the range on their way to work and back home?
notasrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I thought about bringing that up. Depending on where you live, they're pretty much a necessary part of life for a major portion of the population. Not to mention commercial use for transporting goods and such. In the US, we'd need to essentially rebuild our primary transportation network to properly compensate for a lack of cars.
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:00:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You even made it sound simple to get rid of all cars. 90% of our infrastructure revolves around cars. You'd have to find a good alternative, get rid of most of our current infrastructure AND build a completely new one. It's downright impossible to get rid of cars without drastically reducing standards of living.
Rivka333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do realize that there is also a big practical difference when it comes to banning cars vs banning guns--Many of us wouldn't know how to live our lives without cars. We use them for going to work, for going everywhere. But most of our lives wouldn't change without guns. (Yes, we were fine before the invention of cars, but now we've gotten dependent on them).
adrunkblk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:43:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They both kill roughly 10,000 people each year, does it matter what its designed for?
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:20:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How many people do you know that pop a few rounds at the range twice a day 5 days a week? And how many of gun related death's are accidental vs intentional compared to cars?
I would agree with the alcohol comparison, but banning alcohol actually increases consumption and greatly increases related accidents. This doesn't hold up for guns.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:12:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of target shooting or target guns?
yolafaml ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:14:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, however a car isn't specifically designed to kill (unless you're in Mad Max, then I stand corrected).
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:36:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No. But alcohol is designed specifically to remove inhibitions and affect good judgement, isn't it?
notasrelevant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:34:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a result, not necessarily a goal. A better explanation of the purpose of alcohol would be things like relaxation and personal enjoyment. That could be linked to removing inhibitions, but I wouldn't say removing inhibitions is a specific goal. It's the resulting fun/relaxation that comes with that.
Even if we accept your proposed design purposes, I'm not sure how you're going to compare something designed to remove inhibitions with something designed to kill.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, alcohol is designed to impair a person's mental state. People use this to help relax, or some people enjoy it as a hobby, some people like to brew their own drinks, etc. Some people, though, consume alcohol illegally, and knowingly endanger others.
Guns are designed to destroy things. People use this to help relax, or or for sport, or as collectors items, etc. Some people, though, use them illegally as a weapon against other people.
They're both tools. They both have good uses and bad. They can both be used responsibly and be used negligently or maliciously.
notasrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol is not designed to impair mental states. It does that, but the specific goal is not that when being made. No one drinks alcohol thinking "I want to impair my mental state". They get it for relaxing, having fun, etc.
Guns are specifically designed with the goal of causing damage to things. Specifically, they were created as a weapon for injuring or killing. That is why they exist. Some people now enjoy them as a hobby or for sport, but that argument is not one of the arguments used for keeping them legal or as a right of the people. So, we're back to the purpose of killing or injuring a target.
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Comparing apples to oranges.
Peoples_Bropublic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think that matters?
adrunkblk ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So?
notasrelevant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't the same.
Drunk driving can lead to death. Merely operating a vehicle, regardless of the results, is illegal in that condition.
Murder is, obviously, causing a death.
Throw in negligence vs intent and the concepts get even further apart. It's really not a great comparison.
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your analogy is better used to a further degree though. People drive that have no business driving. You will never ban all guns, but you can have much more stringent mental testing , etc. same with cars, one driving test at 16, and I can drive for life? People with anger control issues driving, people texting and driving (even police!) these need correction as well...
hey_listen_link ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is the key. Guns are very dangerous, but as with cars, can be handled safely in knowledgeable and attentive hands (though I have to admit, I'm always going to be incredibly nervous if I know there's a gun in a room with me.) I think that licensing, safety training, and mental state/criminal assessment are important.
I do know people who want full bans on guns, just as I know people who want zero regulation at all. But I think there's always a reasonable middle ground.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Drunk driving is banned and eventually all non-computer controlled commuting will be too. I don't see the conflict.
john_the_fetch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are we sticking to just murders? How about suicide? Look that number up. Also. It fits into the argument of 'doing it to themselves' as mentioned for alcohol and cigarettes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't care about the suicide numbers
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:23:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you might get in trouble for driving an unlicensed vehicle on the roads
tiltowaitt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:19:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Over 60% of gun deaths are suicides. In other words, a majority of gun deaths are caused by the user.
jam11249 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying "the number of deaths by guns where the victim didn't want it isn't even half" really doesn't convince me, and I doubt it will convince many others.
ThePatridiot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:34:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They should ban shooting people indoors and in cars!
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:26:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, let's ban knives with a blade longer than two inches and believe that all the criminals will follow that law. Guess what, firearm banning in the UK led to higher violent crime. I would not be out on the street at night in, say, Preston or London, at least not in the bad areas. You will guaranteed be mugged/murdered/assaulted. I know this because it happened, and in a nicer area of town. Mugged. I beat the ever-loving shit out of him. But seriously, banning the ownership of weapons makes crime even worse. This was while I went there to see relatives over a three-week period.
itz4mna ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Our knife laws aren't that bad, you're not allowed to carry a blade longer than three inches unless you have a good reason for it, like a chef or a sailor. Also, have you ever actually been to London? Yeah there's some shit parts of London but there's shit parts of every major city, per capita we have far, far less gun crime than in the US. Unless you've actually lived in a shit part of London then you have as much grounds to comment as I do for places like Detroit.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I got mugged in a "safer" part of Manchester, you seem to be ignoring that. This, and as soon as guns got banned, knife crime exploded. The banning of longer knives really doesn't do much, as knives are very easy to conceal, so the only way to really find a well-hidden illegal knife is an unwarranted search.
CWM_93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any good stats to point us to? It wouldn't surprise me if knife crime increased and gun crime decreased after gun control came in, but did it balance out? If the overall homicide and violent crime rate per capita went down in response, then that would indicate the plan was a success, right?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/ This is an article showing why firearms ownership, particularly concealed carry, prevent violent crime. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime Here's a source for ya.
CWM_93 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:03:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These are interesting articles which I'm reading, but neither seem to speak to the claim that knife crime in the UK exploded after the gun control was introduced.
The second link shows knife and gun crime increasing very slightly, and homicides increasing slightly after a decade's long decline from 1000 to 500ish, which is pretty inconclusive. Gun controls weren't changed in 2015 to my knowledge. How much of this could be attributed to cuts in police resources is unclear.
I'll have a look at the first link in more detail later. I'll say straight out though that I'm wary about using stats from regions of the USA to comment on crime in the UK. Conceal carry and gun purchasing laws in a specific region don't speak to the general availability of guns, as it's trivial to carry a gun in your car from one US state to another in order to commit a crime, while in the UK getting access to guns is uniformly difficult, and getting them across borders from elsewhere in Europe is more difficult than taking them from state to state in the US.
I'll take a particularly long look at the national study cited - that one look particularly interesting. Thanks!
lewiitom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A bit of an exaggeration there, no? I've been out at night in places with a reputation for being rough loads and nothings ever happened to me, nor anyone else I know. Also, isn't the violent crime increase more to do with the UK changing their definition of violent crime rather than it actually increasing?
It's worth noting though, I don't think the UK and the US are really comparable in this situation due to the fact the we never really had many firearms to start with.
jam11249 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a joke right?
I regularly go out in London, walking the street with just my boyfriend in poorly lit areas with very few other people, to get between different areas when the tube is closed for the night. I have never been mugged in my life. In fact I can't think of any friends of mine who have ever been mugged, and all do similar behavior.
rickster1617 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off
[deleted] ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:59:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They tried banning alcohol once, remember?
Le0nTheProfessional ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:32:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda his point. Prohibition (of any kind) is much more effective on paper.
LumaGopher ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 15:52:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Prohibiting paper is probably impractical.
somedude224 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one noticed the switcharoo here
Le0nTheProfessional ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you
Zeebuksiev1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh youuuu I like you.
ridersderohan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Much more effective on paper but there are countries who have successfully pulled off a 'prohibition' type approach to guns. Obviously the US would be a massive scale project just because of how many people you have but it's possible.
Prohibition on alcohol was difficult because people love their drank and you can make that drank in a bathtub. Making guns in a bathtub is markedly harder.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, it is not possible in the US. We produce shit tons of guns, we have the equipment to produce guns easily, we have millions and millions of guns already, we employ thousands and thousands of qualified gunsmiths.
Guns aren't difficult to produce if you have even the most basic tools and knowledge needed for metal fabrication.
Chengweiyingji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
myeh, see, myeh
bunkoRtist ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:58:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I find that the prevailing hive mind doesn't respond well to feeling like it's been cornered in a hypocritical position. It tends to respond by downvoting the problem and hoping nobody notices.
Edwardian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How about cars, better analogy because a person careless with a car can kill others. And people in cars kill thousands more than people with guns every year.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are we gonna do when a sled driving car kills a man? Gonna have to go all iRobot on their asses
Rivka333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't made up my mind about guns, but accidental poisonings kill thousands more people (about 48,000 each year in the USA, according to the CDC), and nobody makes a fuss about that.
This makes me extra upset when people think that my well behaved friendly dog should be automatically euthanized due to his breed, despite the fact that all dogs of all breeds combined kill only 20 to 40 people a year. (Very sad for those individuals, but far lower than pretty much any other cause of death one can think of).
Eptar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree entirely. As someone who is pro-gun, I feel like it's safe to say that we don't need AK-47s to defend ourselves.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a False Analogy.
The right to consume what you want and the right to own a weapon are two separate debates. I'm not leaning either way on the 2nd amendment, but if you intend to argue something you aught to do it logically.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:58:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the illogical route
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then you can never win an arguement.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you know it's impossible to win an argument against a stupid person. So I win
CartoonsAreForKids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guns are made to kill people (and animals). Cigarettes and alcohol are made for consumption, with the side effect that they can kill you.
I hate alcohol, and I wish it was illegal, but we've seen how that goes. If people are addicted to something, they'll get it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:05:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm addicted to gun ownership
max81968 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People kill people. Guns don't.
Hodor_The_Great ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People kill people more with guns than without. But I'm in favour of gun control, not gun ban
MentallyPsycho ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are much more effective at killing peoplewhen armed with a gun.
somedude224 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People are much more effective at eating soup when armed with a spoon, but people still eat soup, spoons don't eat soup.
MentallyPsycho ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I don't care. Guns allow people to commit mass murder in a matter of seconds. Guns are an instrument if murder, plain and simple. They are meant to cause harm.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just showed a large amount of ignorance about guns and invalidated most every point you made before this to most everyone.
MentallyPsycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's ignorant about what I said? They're made to hurt people. That's just a fact.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MentallyPsycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You were comparing a gun to a spoon. Yeah, they're both tools to reach a goal, but the comparison ends there. That's what I don't care about. Using a benign, harmless object and comparing a gun to it is manipulative and tricky. It's meant to make the gun seem harmless as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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MentallyPsycho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever. My point stands.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are telling me a .22 is made to kill people? You might as well claim a $5 swiss army knife is made for butchering corpses.
And cause mass murder in seconds? Really? I don't think you have ever shot a gun before if you think that is a reasonable claim.
If you want to make a valid stance against gun ownership you need to use more realistic points in your argument. Perhaps some believable examples which might require you actually learn something about guns that doesn't come from hollywood action movies.
plantbabe667 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:20:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A list of things that kill people: one - conceivably anything! Two - not guns!
max81968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't say that.
legendary_dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The difference here is that if you look at someone funny, they can't throw their beer at you and kill you.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't drunkenly drive my gun down a road and run over your family either.
ihj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can drunkenly shoot your family with a gun or soberly leave it unlocked for your child to accidently shoot themselves.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't mix guns and booze. Just like you shouldn't mix booze and driving
ihj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right.
Cars and driving are regulated. I can't go buy a car without providing a license to the dealer, but I can legally buy a gun at a gun show without a background check. I can have my car impounded if found to be driving without a license, but if I have an unlicensed gun I get to keep it. I can have my car impounded if driving drunk too.
The point is there are a lot of people, myself included, that believe that guns should have enforced regulations. Guns are designed to cause damage to whatever is in front of the muzzle, and many are specifically designed to cause life ending damage to human beings. It's not about whether mixing booze and guns or driving is a bad idea, which we agree on.
q1s2e3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:25:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guns are used pretty much only to kill things. Cars' main purpose is to get you from one place to another.
523bucketsofducks ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guns are mostly used for sport, like target shooting. The amount of people that use guns for killing are way less than the people that use their guns for fun.
q1s2e3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Target shooting is just practicing what guns are actually for (which is killing). If that was all you did you might as well just get a BB gun or even a nerf gun or something. Primarily the legal things guns are used for are either hunting for sport or for self defense. If you use a gun for self defense and are any kind of responsible gun owner, then you assume that when you point a gun at someone, you are planning to kill them. If you want a gun for those reasons, fine. But don't pretend that their primary use is for anything other than killing.
523bucketsofducks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that they weren't designed for that, just that in America the majority of gun use is at a gun range. Target shooting is not practice for killing, it is just shooting at targets. You can find the act stress relieving, or it can be fun. It's like throwing darts, are dart players practicing for dart murders? No they are having fun, or trying to get better at something they enjoy.
q1s2e3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then use a BB gun. It's pointless to have a thing meant for killing legal just to use it for target practice. Should heroin be sold over the counter just because some people could potentially use it for scientific research? And darts are much more harmless than guns, that's a joke comparison. You obviously don't take guns seriously and I wouldn't trust you with one. I understand other arguments for gun ownership but yours is pointless.
523bucketsofducks ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do take guns seriously, which is why I only use them for target shooting. You treat them like some kind of self aware monster that kill all the time because that's all they can do. Target shooting with a gun is fun and challenging, shooting a bb gun is not in my opinion. If I want to shoot targets with a gun, in a safe and controlled manner, who the fuck are you to say I shouldn't be able to because of what other people do with guns? Also if my dart comparison is stupid, your heroin comparison is as well. It's much easier to kill with a dart than it is to kill someone with heroin.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, but you could smash the bottle on the counter and lacerate their kidneys.
legendary_dick ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's it! Ban bottles and counter tops too!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. All beers must be drunk directly from a urinal like trough that the taps spill directly into!
AmyAkaSpentGladiator ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think that if pro-gun people really do believe that the second amendment is there for individual citizens to protect themselves, then the only firearms that ordinary citizens should really be allowed to own and use are hand guns and rifles. I do think that we have a weird gun culture that emphasizes their use for fun and games rather than for real protection. The point is that no one should wield the power to kill 10 people in 10 seconds. A hand gun is for protection, an AK is for killing. When you ask a lot of gun owners (especially those that own semiautomatic weapons) why they own their weapons, one of the reasons is almost always "because I like guns and think that they are fun". The problem with our gun culture is that too many people view these WEAPONS as toys. As a texan, i know kids who were taught to shoot at 7 years old, and they all grew up thinking that shooting stuff was a fun afterschool activity, because they were never told that what they were holding was a weapon and should only be used for self protection or maybe for hunting.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and i used to shoot guns after school all the time. We were about 13 when we started doing that though. We all knew that guns could kill people but we were mostly just shooting targets with 22s and shotguns at clay birds. It was competitive for us. We used to take our 22s and shoot a target and take a step backwards if we both hit it. First one to miss lost. Then the next person challenges the winner. It was just good fun. No one got hurt.
AmyAkaSpentGladiator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's good that you and your friends had a good understanding of the real dangers of gun use. Unforetunately not so many people are as well rounded as you. And i wasnt arguing against rifles, im arguin against a normal citizen having the ability to kill multiple people in a matter of seconds as semiautomatic and automatic WEAPONS are still legal in many states.
adrunkblk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:40:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Its also used to keep the goverment for having too much power so youre entire statement if flawed and incorrect.
AmyAkaSpentGladiator ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was meant to protect us from quartering of soldiers and the tyranny of a king, as well as slave uprisings. Havent seen any if those for a while.
adrunkblk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm no. It was meant so we arnt defenseless against our goverment dumb fuck
adrunkblk ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Umm no. It was meant so we arnt defenseless against our goverment dumb fuck
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:28:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Handguns are the most deadly guns. 'AKs" as you call them, what im assuming you mean by fully automatic rifles, are not available to the general public and are pretty much never ever used in crimes.
You watch to many movies.
Diabetesh ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:24:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As Jim Jeffries said, "There only needs to be one reason for americans to want their guns. Which is, 'fuck off, I like guns.'" As a gun store owner, I am perfectly fine with that reason.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:16:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the same way, and I'm an American. I have no issues with people owning guns for protection and sport I guess. But goddamn, some poeple here are just fucking obsessed with them. And it's always the "peaceful" religious people.
In my honest opinion, I think one of the reasons we have such a mass shooting problem in America is because so many people are obsessed with guns and talk about guns as if they are gospel. I saw a conservative friend on facebook share a post that said "You can take away my wife, you can take away my kids, but you will never take away my guns!!" WTF
Manleather ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Yeah, well, the rest of the world has never been to the moon!
Cue the screaming bald eagles and an F-22 flyover
*I've been qlued into my speling misteak, thanks.
sun_worth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
(Dub in red-tailed hawk scream because eagles don't make that sound.)
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Be pedantic
max81968 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:01:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
steadyasthepenisdrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. I got horribly downvoted for this exact reason. And get this - the op of the gun law thread on askreddit was the one arguing and downvoting me... He asked my opinion, I gave it (in quite a polite and respectful manner too).
Correct_MyEnglishPls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Rule #1 Whenever you point out anything about America which isn't how great Americans are, you get downvoted on Reddit.
Rule #2 if you are American, you can talk shit about your compatriots as long as you implicitly suggest that it's all satiric and ironic
Doctursea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was downvoted on /r/funny for posting a gif about a guy buying a gun from a vending machine. The comment were talking about how I was so Antigun and making a political statement. It was /r/funny... No wonder people make fun of that sub if the first voters there are that dense only shot is going to the top
Quarkster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the world has guns
AmeriCossack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Quarkster ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Still wrong. Most of Europe has gun ownership by the general public.
onioning ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:06:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Far, far, far more limited.
Quarkster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Houseofsuns was specifically saying that gun ownership by the general public is unreasonable, a common sentiment in the UK.
Swissgiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about the Swiss?
Manadox ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:26:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They don't real because they don't fit the narrative.
AssholeBot9000 ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:36:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because none of the things you like are crazy?
Okay.
Up voted you, but only because other countries have their own "crazy" problems.
m50d ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:42:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If there are things that are crazy about Britain I'd like to hear about them. Hell, I'll probably agree with most of them.
We're not the best country in the world at everything. Not even close. Most sensible people realise this is true of every country.
AssholeBot9000 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:45:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You guys have a crazy obsession with tea.
jam11249 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:03:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At least tea doesn't lead to one of the highest murder rates in the developed world.
Giggity0 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:06:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just leads to revolutions.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And parties
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Lupin_AAGL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
AssholeBot9000 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:17:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Leads to the best fucking country in the world mother fucker. Bring that tea over here, we throw that shit int he ocean again.
But probably not, a lot of health conscious people live here and we would probably drink it. But we would DEFINITELY throw the packaging in the ocean, because we are disrespectful as fuck.
Also, my guns don't lead to the highest murder rate either. My guns don't kill people. Terrible logic bro.
People are going to kill people regardless.
Ban drugs, we no longer have drugs. Ban guns, guns will just disappear.
jam11249 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:38:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a country with some of the strictest gun control laws in the world, and bizarrely it has one of the lowest gun related crime rates in the world.
m50d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. Don't really drink it myself but there are a lot of addicts around. Still as addictions go it's a relatively harmless one.
esameraguey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:46:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Between the stabbings and drunken brawlers in the streets, I hear it's pretty dangerous to be out at night in Britain. Or so I hear.
CWM_93 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:41:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Liverpool which has a reputation for being where lots of people come for miles around for a night out, and also has an (in my experience unfounded) reputation for being a bit rough. I've only ever seen one or two drunken fights, which has consisted of a bit of shouting and pushing before the two people get separated. I have walked home through some rough neighbourhoods plenty of times after dark and never had any issues.
From what I remember of the stats, the sum of knife and gun crime is about the same in the UK and USA, but a higher proportion of that total is knife crime in the UK, as guns are very hard to come by.
The prevalence of violent crime is pretty much indistinguishable between the countries - although take that with a pinch of salt because it's counted slightly differently - but the homicide rate in the UK is lower.
I would argue that's partly because it's more difficult to do serious damage to someone using a knife that it is with a gun. If you're mugging someone with a knife, you need to be within arms reach of the victim to be in a position to inflict immediate harm to them, whereas with a gun, you can shoot someone from several metres away.
I'm not sure where you get the impression that stabbings are very commonplace in the UK. They do happen, in some areas more than others, but I think the risks get overblown by the media because of the adage 'if it bleeds it leads' and gruesome details sell newspapers.
m50d ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Eh. Not very, IME. I mean if you want a fight you can get one, but as a bystander you're mostly fine. And in the worst case stabbings are more survivable than shootings.
jam11249 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:56:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In most places it's really not that dangerous. If you don't start anything then you are very unlikely to end up in a brawl or stabbing, this kind of violence is usually a two-way thing. If you're a sensible person then nights out are generally very safe.
itz4mna ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, unless you're in a really shit area you're not going to get in a fight unless you provoke someone.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:25:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It goes the same way in America and yet people completely ignore that part.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you guys DO confiscate golf clubs like they're weapons...
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I swear guns reduce crime rates, at least legal ones. Most of the violent crime seen is either with illegal unregistered guns either stolen, or purchased off of the black market. What happens when someone breaks into your house, armed, with the intention to harm you or your family? If you had a gun, and a loaded magazine next to it, what would you do? When death is seconds away, the police are minutes away. It is not a fetish, it is not stupidity, and keep in mind that the rest of the first world seems to like increasing rape rates by letting in all these refugees. And read the American constitution to know why it's legal, and it's a perfectly good reason. I'll give you an example here. Kennesaw, Georgia. It's mandated that every household have at least one firearm. Among the lowest crime rates in the country.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If there are no legal guns, then there are almost no illegal guns. That's how the rest of the civilised world works.
LynxingParty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Except since Schengen, most EU countries share a single border with Balkan countries. There have been multiple instances of criminals using military grade weapons from Eastern Europe. Including a guy wielding an AK across from a school, and a guy using a Skorpion to knock over a fucking supermarket, up to and including accidentally discharging the weapon and nearly killing a cashier. None were caught.
In short, this argument went out of the window the moment we opened the borders. It can only work in a small-scale, highly regulated society. But then again, so can legal gun ownership. Everyone who was in the military in Switzerland, has a gun. An assault rifle, at that. It's the basis of their national defense system. But these guns don't end up in illegality.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone really wants a gun or some way to kill/harm someone, they can get one off of the black market. This, and, if at some point firearms were banned, I don't think the criminals would turn theirs in, especially since it was probably obtained illegally on the black market in the first place. Once everyone else turns theirs in, crime rates explode.
m50d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but the reason there's a supply of them is legal guns. The best time to ban guns was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
I check whether this is reality or a movie.
If you're talking about someone who wants to kill you specifically, you're much better off seeking police protection (even if you're a criminal - you might get imprisoned but that's much better than dying); a gun is more likely to give you a false sense of security than actually keep you alive. If you're talking about a maniac who just wants to kill someone - well, how's the record on mass shootings working out for you? If you're talking about someone just looking for money (i.e. the overwhelming majority of breakins), over here burglars make it a point of pride not to carry guns.
Statistically, that gun is more likely to kill you than anyone else.
So rapists won't rape as long as you keep them outside the border? Or is rape ok as long as they're only raping brown people?
Civilized nations do not have a choice about letting refugees in. Maybe if you lot wouldn't keep bombing random parts of the middle east (or propping up Israel to do so) then we wouldn't have this crisis. Maybe if someone did the same on America's doorstep you'd be facing the same issues.
It's nonsense, as any number of secure free states without militias prove. Maybe in 1800 the number of warm bodies with guns you could put on the battlefield mattered. Not today.
i.e. still substantially higher than demographically comparable towns in countries with gun control?
CooperArt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I call bullshit. And so did snopes. That's like saying where I live has one of the lowest crime rates in the country, with one murder-suicide in the past ten years (it was an assisted suicide, actual suicide) and two burglaries. Yeah. I live in the fucking sticks surrounded by the elderly.
edit: note that I'm not saying anything about your core point, but argue it better, dude.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Kennesaw is not in the sticks. Pop of 32,000 people. Not the largest city out there, but compared to other cities of its size, it has virtually no crime.
Dragon_Fisting ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The whole environment of America is slightly more "leave us alone" than Europe. The rest of the first world does well with lots of things we reject.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:34:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You do know that plenty of first world countries have people owning guns and are doing just fine, right? Guns aren't the problem. People are the problem. That's why I think we need more gun control laws as well as mandatory safety education for anyone who wants to own/shoot a gun
Metalhead242 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
they would do better with guns though.
1III1I1II1III1I1II ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Until the shit comes down. Then everyone will wish they had one.
slapdashbr ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's the UK's fault
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:40:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You say that until you see some wacko in London with a simple butcher knife running around terrorizing people for 20 minutes because the cop's tasers constantly misfire and the knife wielder is free from worry about anyone having a gun.
xXBootyLoverXx69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather they had a butcher knife then a gun though mate
TransgenderPride ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:58:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My username alone generally gets me a bunch of downvotes on any religious subreddit.
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:19:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're brave for even going there to be quite honest.
This reminds me of a comment. Some guy made a comment about his girlfriend and everyone thought his girlfriend was great from that single comment. Then he summoned her and of course, being creeps, redditors creeped on her post history. Comes to find out she was a complete homophobe and racist.
So, then everyone starts shitting on her and him.
TransgenderPride ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:20:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't anymore, lol. It's annoying to just get attacked for no real reason.
astrobeans ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:00:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
why would you go to religious subreddits
/r/atheism is a cesspool, and that's a sub about the absence of religion
chokingonlego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Almost no religious subs have any chill aside from a few.
Gingerdyke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Same. It certainly isn't a regular thing, maybe five or six times in my account history, but sometimes I'll post something innocuous and receive a "well of course one of you would think that...".
Really the username is a good way to figure out who not to spend time debating with!
GolemTheGnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate people like that..
GolemTheGnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate people like that..
Carnivorous_Jesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't had that problem yet
glowsticksuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:12:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Solidarity, friend. One of my most controversial posts was just posting my (at the time relatively uncommon) cosplay on r/cosplay while being trans.
ThegreatPee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would probably get gold at /r/publicbathrooms, though.
TransgenderPride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've never been there, I'll look at it.
I avoid public bathrooms if at all possible.
Shnezzberry ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 18:29:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is why im atheist. Screw the stupid self imposed rules that most religions have. Why can't you eat that? What did those infidels do to you? WHY ARE YOU MAKING YOUR LIFE SO HARD?!
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:57:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Shnezzberry ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 20:00:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, forgot text makes it hard to convey tone: Not shouting at someone for being stupid, rather shouting because you are confused.
There i hope i clarified it.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:03:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey man. Religion doesn't make everyone's life hard.
Millions of people turn to religion as a refuge. Whether or not any deity or supernatural being or belief is real is irrelevant; people genuinely find comfort in religion and most religions do a lot of vital charity work.
sdglksdgblas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can comment about this post in this thread :)
astrobeans ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:00:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well no, it's a reasonably downvoted comment. He comes off as an intolerant dickhole.
Shnezzberry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:01:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ow.
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 14:48:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I asked how Trump is better than Bernie in /r/CringeAnarchy I didn't imply anything just asked a simple question, and got down-voted for it.
thebachmann ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:31:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It can be taken as a loaded question I think. Because no matter what they answer, everyone is gonna start a flame war.
RedDeadRevengeance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
tfw the sub made because /r/cringe became cringe becomes cringe
loonybeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to discern tone with written comments and I think straight forward questions can come off as snarky or sarcastic if the intention isn't specifically stated.
[deleted] ยท -36 points ยท Posted at 15:09:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like Trump, or any of the liberal candidates. Would have preferred Ted Cruz. But, I honestly have to vote for him if I want to avoid a criminal or a socialist who's as dumb as a box of rocks going into office.
The-Gothic-Castle ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you're opting for someone who has bankrupted 4 companies, wants to build a wall but doesn't know how, has said that he is okay using nuclear weapons in the Middle East, has one of the least stable characters of just about anyone, believes in suing people for fun, has said he wants to go after the families of terrorists, and aligns himself politically with Russia and China more than he does than with our allies?
Vote for Trump if you want, but they guy has no idea how to run a country. His tax plan will only increase the deficit, he has said himself that his wealth on any given day is dependent upon his mood, and he is a child.
DenikaMae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am not a trump supporter, but maybe that's his shtick? That at this point, someone complete ignorant of how to run a nation would be less harmful than people deeply invested in estagblished political agendas?
I don't know.
ThatEconGuy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Out of hundreds that he has either started or had major influence in. Trump is the physical personification of the phrase, "a master has failed more often than a novice has tried".
Contrary to popular belief he does have a few ideas on how to make Mexico pay for the wall. You can argue that they aren't good ideas, as I would, but don't lie and pretend that he has no plan at all.
If you want Trump support to wane, you need to stop lying about him and giving his supporters ammo to dismiss you as a "lazy, lying Bern-out".
The-Gothic-Castle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:56:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about paying for it, though even then, the number keeps going up and it is still a low ball. WHERE are you going to build the wall? How do you avoid splitting people's properties in half or putting themselves on the other end of the wall altogether? How much will it cost to maintain? Where does that money come from?
Trump inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. His successes have come largely from the branding of his name, which he values (and includes in his wealth estimate) at 5 billion dollars.
You didn't address any of my other points either. Flat taxes disproportionally put burden on the lower classes. His tax plan is going to run up the deficit, that is a fact. He has no tangible plans for how he is going to fix that issue.
Don't assume I like Bernie just because I don't like Trump.
ThatEconGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you think he's going to build the wall? Minnesota? He's going to build it on the U.S./Mexican border, a point so obvious that he, and I, never thought it had to be explained.
Out of billions he currently possesses. Yes he has had a boost and help from a large inheritance, but to insinuate that because of that he is not a successful businessman is laughable.
Which wouldn't work if there wasn't an actual quality to match. If you suck at running companies hard and/or long enough, branding morphs from an advertisement to a warning label. Also I tend to trust the actions of people who 1) know more about a subject than me and 2) have their own money on the line. If Trump is as bad at business as you imply that he is, how does he keep getting loans? Business people who know more about finance and entrepreneurship, and whose money is on the line, look at Trump's record and say "hot damn, where do I sign!?"
I didn't address them for one of three reasons. 1) they are true, even if only in a technical sense. Such as the whole "take out families" thing.
2) They aren't actual arguable points, but are instead the political equivalent of "arguing" over his favorite ice cream flavor. Oh he "aligns himself politically with Russia and China more than he does than with our allies" does he? I didn't know we live in an RPG, did his last speech give him +20 rep with the Chinese faction and -10 rep with the E.U.?
3) Obvious fear-mongering that I'm simply not interested in talking about. Do you really think there's a danger of him using nuclear weapons in the Middle East, really?
I didn't you idiot. If I had assumed that you liked Ben Carson, how would my comment be any different?
The-Gothic-Castle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:48:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since you can't build a wall on water, you are going to have to build it on land. Now, what do you do about border towns? What do you do about people and businesses who own property on the border? Your wall either has to go through the land that they own or it has to cut them out and put them on the "wrong side" of the wall.
How will building a wall stop the people that come through by sea? How about the people that tunnel under it? How about the people that own ladders just a little bit taller than the wall? How about the fact that most people here illegally are people who came over legally and just overstayed their visas? The wall is something that will just be expensive and ineffective.
There are issues when the leader of your country looks up more to dictators and tyrants than he does the leaders of your allies. Foreign policy is a thing and it is important for your leader to get along with other leaders. Jesus Christ, why do I even have to be saying this? Isn't it a big red flag that other world leaders are telling us that Trump is a bad idea?
I am on my phone so quoting is a bit more difficult, but your final comment in your previous post was about dismissing me as a "lazy Bern-out" or something to that effect.
TalesFromThe5thGrade ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:40:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Land is either in the US or Mexico, the border isn't just a gray area(even if there is no fence). Border towns could be split, because there's no 1 city in both countries; there are border towns, but both sides go under different names and have different governments. If you bought property between both countries or hugging the border, you should be prepared for changes to the border. What if Mexico and the US had a war? Would you still think it's your decision if a wall should be built? The US government has and has put laws/rules on property before, like building safety regulation. How is this any different?
If you want to know how effective a wall is, simply look at the Hungarian border. That's not even a wall, it's a chain link fence with barbed wire, and yet "The number of illegal entries to Hungary declined rapidly after the barrier was finished."(quote from wikipedia). If that's not enough for you, look at the Israeli wall.
Is this a joke? We'll obviously have border patrol.
Considering ~500k Visas were overstayed, and the US illegal immigrant population is 11 million, no, most people who are here illegally did not just overstay visas.
Sorta like how immigrants cost us annually ~$119 billion. Doesn't that sound expensive? What sounds cheaper, though, is a $17 billion wall.
What leaders? Commissar Merkel? Of course they'll say Trump is a bad idea if they don't agree with him. But since when are we letting foreign nations "help" us decide our leaders? Besides, why should we be so caring of their opinion when saying "Hillary can win" will fucking relieve them?
The-Gothic-Castle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Thanks for actually responding to my points unlike the last guy.
My point was really more centered around the Rio Grande on the Texas-Mexico border. Obviously, one side is Texas and the other side is Mexico. Because we can't build over or into the Rio Grande (and we can't build on Mexico's side for obvious reasons), we have to build it on our side. Furthermore, we have to build it enough into our territory such that it is structurally secure (from the banks of the river) and safe from floods and other things like that. My point about border towns is not that I thought that one border town metro area was governed by one body (give me some credit here), but that the river makes a lot of switch backs. Lining the wall along the contour of the river without "boxing" some Americans out is impossible. This means that a wall to keep people from crossing our southern border by foot would also put American citizens on the wrong side of the wall. If you don't want to split an American town even a little bit, then you will have to build in such a way that you then put the whole town on the "wrong" side of the wall.
I don't doubt that those walls have cut down on immigration to those countries, and I don't doubt that a wall in America would at least cut the numbers a little bit, but I don't think a wall is the answer. The drug trade and human trafficking exist on much greater scales on our sit herb border than the do in the examples your provided. Digging a hole is cheap and in the last couple months we have uncovered more than we ever have. When we find one and shut it down, they will just build a new one. I think we need to change our immigration laws and make it easier for the "good" people to come over and become citizens so that they can pay taxes rather than living in fear.
As a Texan myself, this issue is "close to home" for me.
EDIT: for examples of these towns to which I am referring: please see Brownsville, Los Ebanos, La Casita, Rio Grande City, Las Palomas Wildlife Area, and Laredo. Those are only a few of the many, many more examples.
TalesFromThe5thGrade ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, yes, I suppose we wouldn't be able to build on, or even near the Rio Grande; however, this does not mean we would have to give up land, or box Americans out. Like in English feudalism, While walls would be built, many homes and plantations would be left outside; though they would still "belong" to the king. This does not mean I believe those towns to be peasant villages, though. Besides, even without the wall, these towns are still at risk of being preyed upon by cartels, kidnappers etc just by being close to the border. And the wall isn't meant to keep everything out for good, Americans living on the other side could, hypothetically, easily pass through by use of checkpoints, etc.
This is what Trump would like as well. He's stated that he wants to make legal immigration better, which would in turn make illegal immigration seem a stupid choice for Mexicans to make. This would also mean we get info on people coming into our country, so we can give the boot to killers, cartel members and even terrorists. Trump has no personal hate against Mexican immigrants; He just thinks that the current system is incredibly dangerous for Americans.
ThatEconGuy ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to skip straight to your last point, because I think it illustrates the actual problem you have.
Here's what I actually said:
I'm telling you to not lie so that Trump supporters won't have a reason to dismiss anything you say by attacking your character. It was not an attack by me onto you, or an assumption of your political affiliations. It was advice on how to stop Trump from winning! I ask again, and this time I demand an answer. If I had assumed that you liked Ben Carson, how would my comment be any different?
The-Gothic-Castle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a little upset that you didn't address my claims, especially because they are valid. Furthermore, an attack on my character by anyone by saying that I am a "lazy Bern-out" is completely unfounded on multiple levels. I brought up multiple claims which were not lies that were either not addressed or explicitly dismissed for ridiculous reasons. While I think that Trump is a xenophobic racist individual, that is not the basis for my claims in this thread. If you want to make the claim that people are going to dismiss me as lazy or uninformed or something, you actually have to show that. I'm bringing up very real concerns, two of which were things you tried to dismiss earlier and I have clarified why they are alarming to me.
I surround myself with just as many "conservative" news outlets as I do "liberal" ones. I like to surround myself with both sides so I don't prey victim to my own internal biases. I am not lazy, I am not a "Bern-out" and I have said nothing to imply either to be true, so why would anyone have reason to dismiss my claims because of either?
ThatEconGuy ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Answer the question or piss off.
The-Gothic-Castle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Have an actual discussion based on what I am saying or piss off. I never lied seeing as my concerns with the wall had nothing to do with paying for it. I am not lying about Trump therefore your basis for even making that original comment has no need to even be there.
You were under the impression that I didn't think Trump had a way to pay for the wall. That was not why I said that.
You haven't actually responded to any of my points in a productive way other than the bankrupting comment. I could respond to that one as well but there is so much left on the table that it would be unproductive.
ThatEconGuy ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 19:03:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Since you're not going to piss off, I'll do it for you. Thanks for the argument, and I hope you have a nice day. Bye.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ThatEconGuy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It won't. Why are you talking to me as though I think the wall is a policy worth pursuing?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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ThatEconGuy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So... Nothing?
adrunkblk ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:33:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow you're dumb
somedude224 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think he was giving you the benefit of the doubt assuming you liked Bernie. When you consider the other option, of course.
TrueMrSkeltal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Third party supporter by any chance?
vol4ok ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for making this discussion so political but USA have allies only in the Europe. If he says hes gonna align with Russia and China that's not bad since US is agressive towards Russia. This coming from person who lives in EU so pls don't hurt me, i don't really know Trump that well.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 15:53:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where did he say he was okay with using nuclear weapons in the Middle East? Well, I'll tell you, Hillary and Bernie are terrible options as president. She is a criminal, and potentially a murderer (46 people who were close to the Clintons have died under mysterious circumstances. Or even been straight up murdered, with no evidence against the Clintons because they pay a lot of people off, and intimidate them, and use hired guns for their dirty work.), and Bernie Sanders who is an absolute idiot who doesn't understand that socialism simply doesn't work.
Littleglowworm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:45:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Universal health care works in Canada and other European countries?
theoreticaldickjokes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:32:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention child labor laws and 40 hour work weeks are socialist concepts. We wanna be like a European country, not like Venezuela.
adrunkblk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Canadian health care isnt even on the same league as the U.S though.
Littleglowworm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So far, I've been able to find out we pay a whole lot more, but we don't have to wait as long to see the doctor. As long as it's not something urgent, I don't see a problem with waiting a while.
Sivalion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As a European.. Bernie Sanders is super neutral compared to our parties. He's not an extreme left-wing guy, he's a very neutral, boring guy (compared to what we already have in place where I live).
I've yet to see one legitimate argument as to why universal healthcare can't work for the US.
It's literally all comments about how big and diversified the US is//opinions ie "i don't want lazy bums to get carried" bollocks.
Why is universal healthcare not a possibility for the US?
GenocidalNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like he's actually going to get free college legislation passed.
Trulymote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's hilarious you got downvoted right here.
laterdude ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:58:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"What is something that once you start noticing it, you cannot stop?"
I answered 'words' and got downvoted for it. It's true though. Small talk is so scripted it sounds like adults talking on Charlie Brown to me. It wasn't until the media had a conniption over Trump bragging he had the 'best words', that I started really listening to the words coming out of people's mouths.
Ender_The_Great ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:32:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once posted about a man who had been murdered by a vigilante group of women on the courthouse steps in India. The point I was making was that sure, he was a scumbag and the case needed a more competent prosecution, but vigilante murder on the steps of a courthouse isn't acceptable in a civilized democracy. It undermines the entire concept of having a judicial system in the first place. The laws don't just magically evaporate if we don't like someone.
I caught hell for that one.
EPICTALAL ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a thread in civ 6 subreddit. They asked about making terrorism a factor. I said it'd be okay as long as they don't be dicks and say: saudi arabia: special unit = suicide bomber. Got like -5 I think. And they weren't mad because of the terrorism part, but because I said they shouldn't correlate saudi arabia with it.
FourO40 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:18:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're totally right though.
Every country terrorizes other countries. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
Shutupharu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:27:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it was when I said "Stereotypes exist for a reason"
I believe I followed it up with "but that doesn't make it ok to be a racist. Dislike the stereotype, not the race."
Most of the comments confused me until I realized I hadn't said I'm not white, I'm Latina. It's fun how I make jokes about my own race and get upvoted, but if don't mention I'm not white I'm a horrible racist.
Ambiviolent23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:13:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't on Reddit but I caused a shitstorm by trying to explain that if someone is confirmed to fit a stereotype (specifically a stereotype of wrongdoing, not of circumstance) , they lose the right to defend themselves by calling that stereotype discriminatory.
For instance, let's say there's a stereotype that florists are jaywalkers. It is unfair to assume that any given florist is a jaywalker, because then you'd be potentially discriminating against a florist who does not jaywalk.
However, if I meet a florist and I catch them jaywalking, they are not allowed to say "Stop stereotyping me, that's discriminatory!" because then they're attempting to use the existence of the stereotype as an excuse to make me turn a blind eye to their wrongdoing. Um... no.
This is a hard concept for many to grasp, apparently.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, stop stereotyping many !
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My problem with steoreotypes is that they can be funny but they do genuinely hurt people in a real way a lot of times.
Warpato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're the first latina I've seen on reddit
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Latina detector activated: Estรกs segura que eres latina? Totalmente segura? Realmente totalmente absolutamente segura? Muy muy segura?
According to the response, we will be able to discover if the myth is Plausible or Busted
terminatah ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
one time in r/movies, someone said that renee zellweger had fucked up her face and couldn't get work anymore. i responded by saying she didn't have any work done, has been taking time off voluntarily, and has some movies coming out this year. i was downvoted
ritsikas ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:15:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she did have work done on her face. I've also heard that she is trying to get her old face back, which I'm really glad about because she was practically unrecognizable to me after the changes.
notacareerserver ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:14:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure it's even possible...if some doc somewhere manages to get her back recognizable, I'm writing that doc's number down in case I ever need something done. That'd be a miracle. I feel bad for her...she might not have been a "traditional" beauty but I always thought she was gorgeous. Sad she couldn't see that for herself.
ritsikas ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:27:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that is the worst part of all the cosmetic surgeries. Once you do it, you have to quite certain that this is what you want to look like and hope to god that you will actually end up looking like that. I think there is no better beauty than what was given to you at birth, changing that is so stupid, because almost all cases people are changing their looks because they saw someone who had what they wished they had, thus changing themselves to look more like someone else. I haven't been given the gift of extreme beauty and often I wish I looked like someone else, but to erase the unique beauty I was given to TRY and look like someone else (you will never look as good as the other person (if they are natural beauty)), it would be so stupid.
notacareerserver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I literally didn't recognize her. It's obvious she had work done. She totally fucked it up. I can get being self conscious but damn girl. Botox is one thing, completely different face is a whole 'nother.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But she looks like a former MMA fighter with an unlicensed plastic surgeon.
Herr_Doktore ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:03:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hit -3, which isn't that bad, but I said that men were more likely to get testicular cancer than women and women were more likely to get ovarian cancer than men. Isn't that true?
Ashybuttons ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:22:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's true, but I can't think of a situation where saying so would add anything useful to a discussion.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:24:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything to the discussion.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised that didn't get upvoted to hell.
That's pretty funny. But I mean I can't see how thats possibly relevant to any discussion so.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Is that actually true though?
I don't have any evidence, but I would imagine all the hormone replacement that transgender people get would mess with stuff and possibly make some stuff more likely.
I do know with certainty that people with streak gonads are much more likely to get cancer.
glowsticksuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually a myth that hormones make it more likely for you to get specific cancers. In fact, recent studies have found no malicious side effects of using hormones for 10 or more years
JoelQuest ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:07:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said something disparaging about Kanye West.
dortiz24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone either hates or loves him. Never a win-win situation commenting about him
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Depends where you are.
/r/hiphopheads ? Better not talk shit about Ye.
/r/TaylorSwift ? Kanye's a fucking misogynist and asshole and you're one too if you disagree
1III1I1II1III1I1II ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'd upvote you twice for that.
Kyle1337 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:52:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Told people not to spoil a (EXTREMELY SIMPLE) puzzle by posting the answer in the comments. -200 points. I wasn't even rude about it.
Cubeologist42 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:42:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, if you're reading a thread about a puzzle, especially a simple one, the solution is one of the first things you can expect to find. But -200 is a bit harsh lol.
covok48 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:54:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've said some asshole things in my time here and was downvoted accordingly to something like -1 to -5. However, when I showed support for the American centric mm/dd/yyyy date format in a What does Britian do better than everyone else thread I got a whopping -25, the worst downvoted post I have currently.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What are the pros of that format?
bearsnchairs ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:19:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One pro is it sorts files by month in a given year folder instead of sorting the days with each other.
CT2169 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:38:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it should be yyyy/mm/dd.
bearsnchairs ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:52:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That works if you keep everything in one big folder but most databases I've used separate years into separate folders so they aren't unwieldy.
That way is also the ISO way.
Gairbear666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The point is if you separated them by year they'd still sort correctly due to it jumping to month which is next in line to sort.
Edit: spelling
bearsnchairs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I'm well aware.
CooperArt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like that pro! Britain does a lot of things objectively better than Americans, but I'll give that point to us. You've convinced me.
salbris ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Imho, as a programmer, that's probably the worst reason for the format. The program or programmer should create a proper sorting algorithm instead of relying on fallbacks like that.
bearsnchairs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When the application is for storing runs in an analytical chemistry lab so you can track runs by date and instrument it works pretty well.
BASEDME7O ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why do the "as a programmer" douchebags feel the need to chime in on every topic that has nothing to do with them? Seriously, how does oh the user should create a sorting algorithm have any thing to do with this? Worse than the "as a mother" people Reddit loves to complain about
bearsnchairs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:28:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Especially since my application is for analytical chemistry instrument data that needs to be readily accessible by analysts and reviewers and located by auditors.
SharKCS11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He/she is not blaming the user of the software. The fault is with the developer of that software. Of course the user can't be expected to make their own sorting algorithm! But if you are a coder who's tasked with writing this program, not being able to adapt to different date formats is ridiculous.
salbris ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well if the format of the date or title of the file wasn't used to sort the files as well then the presentation of the folder/files can be cleaned up and made more clear to the end user. Instead you have all the overhead of making sure each file is prefix with the date in the correct format.
In this case if were talking about standard folders and files in Windows I'd say it's Microsofts fault for not providing better tools for organizing files. If don't like to see people get complacent because this is how we get stuck with the same terrible software for years.
terraphantm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I personally like that it matches how we speak. Usually one days "December 5th" instead of "the 5th of December" when talking casually
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When talking casually in English
dnjksandkj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He's used to them.
itz4mna ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:04:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm British and while I'll defend to the death America's use of Imperial units and Fahrenheit I really don't understand the advantage of that date format.
BrandOfTheExalt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:53:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
...Maybe it's so that the numbers go from smallest to largest? Months go up to 12, days go up to 31, and years go up to the thousands? Idk, just a guess.
Chinney97 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:45:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When looking for a date in a calendar, the month is the first thing you need to know, not the day. That's why the month comes first.
Lupin_AAGL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's in English, but since that's the language in the US, it does make a lot of sense.
It's just confusing when your native language doesn't work like that, like mine. I always have to stop and think when I read American dates.
Dragon_Fisting ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:16:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's just how we verbalize. I don't know about Britain, but most Americans will say March 4th, so 03/04, instead of the 4th of March, 04/03
leviethan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The argument I have heard is that if you're looking through dates for something, you arent insterested in the 11 other 1sts of the month, so get the month out of the way first.
Something like that, I like my chronological order just fine.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think having months first is useful.
But thats because the way i speak I say the month first, so reading it mm/dd/yyyy flows better to me.
AwesomeManatee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's because it's slightly quicker and easier to say "March the third" than "The third of March" and it just translated into how we wrote it down.
robertx33 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:17:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the one where I said pedophiles aren't bad people, while stating that child molesters are.
I got called a pedo defender and a pedophile. I don't get it, aren't we attracted to things and can't control the attractions? Why is being attracted to kids suddenly frowned upon even if you never hurt any? Maybe if there were some statistics that say 95% of pedophiles are child molesters then I can see the reasoning but still wouldn't be nice unless we want to suddenly assume guilty until proven innocent way.
I just sympathize with people who never did anything wrong and ended up with a shitty sexual attraction. Because I also have a similar problem..
irthewalrus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:57:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well yeah, of course 95% of pedophiles are child molesters, simply because the majority of pedophiles don't tell anyone out of the justified fear of being persecuted so they don't end up in the statistics.
It must be terrible to have to live with something every day that is so demonized by society that you can't even seek help dealing with it and as soon as you talk about it you are a monster. The ones who never touch a child deserve sympathy more than most people do.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think pedophile and child molester just mean the same thing to a lot of people.
robertx33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:02:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, i'm pretty sure a lot of commenters hate both, it's like all logic goes out the window when they think about something that may harm their kids.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Damn dude. That sucks.
Just stay strong and dont worry about what people think.
CreamyThighGuy69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I feel like the topic isn't discussed enough for anyone to shake their ignorance. Literally no one must have any idea what it's actually like. I guess people just don't even want to hear it.
YourVillageIdiot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:09:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There is very little distinction in people's minds between the two. I once said to a colleague 'your friend is pretty hot' or words to that effect. Colleague replied 'my friend is 16'. Whoops. Do I deserve to go to jail?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:27:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Agree with you dog. The media always tryna paint Muslims as villains or some shit.
They won't mention that many terrorist groups focus most of their efforts on killing certain groups of Muslims that they dislike, and that tons of Muslims were targeted out by terrorist groups in the Paris attacks.
But people will still find a way to blame Islam.
Dogs_Akimbo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:46:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I talked about Lettuce Club.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:51:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the first rule of lettuce club is not to talk about it.
Voccams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I heard the second rule of lettuce club is you do NOT talk about lettuce club
sun_worth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think the third rule of lettuce club is if it goes brown or limp, the lettuce is over.
thetruekiller ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:45:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread on /r/Undertale called "Can people please stop talking in Windings for no apparent reason?" I said:
I got -48 points :)
RedDeadRevengeance ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:52:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
โโกโ โโโฌงโโโโโ โโงซ
mrerikmattila ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was downvoted because I said I had a professor in graphic design who discouraged us from saying we liked a design as it's irrelevant. He encouraged us to explain why a design worked regardless if we liked it or thought it looked nice.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you evaluate my website for me? I'm tryng to learn (the bare minimum of) good design and having some difficulties
mrerikmattila ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll do you one better. /r/design_critiques /r/graphic_design /r/web_design
Those 3 subreddits will give you advice and general knowledge on design to make your work more refined.
VigilantMike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got a heavily upvoted comment for pointing out a Reddit hivemind, that I would say leaned left politically. Someone replied to me that coincidentally most Redditors are Bernie Sanders supporters. I replied back saying that I was a Bernie supporter but I thought the hivemind just didn't make sense. Then I got downvoted and a bunch of hate comments for liking him.
robert3131 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:15:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mentioned gun control,
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote on /r/guitar that I was very happy with the Gibson I bought. /r/guitar LOVES to shit on Gibson.
Jewbacca071 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was unreasonably downvoted to a post in r/shitty_car_mods where somebody posted a picture of a Ferrari with a gold and black wrap on it.
The original post itself was kind of a shitpost, but I commented it saying that it was well done and wasn't shitty, but lacked taste. I got I think -3 karma and one guy posted the rule that the posts and comments were subjective. Why was I downvoted when I was being subjective to my own opinion of the car?
Cidiot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I copied and pasted the policy platforms of Trump and Sanders side by side for a comparison, because someone on r/politics was saying they were essentially the same candidate. I got downvoted like -30, but the next week I was upvoted back to 0.
I wasn't sure if the person I was responding to was joking.
Spent more time on r/politics and realized, they are NOT joking. There's a good group of people on that sub who don't understand/recognize the most essential platform differences between Republicans and Democrats.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In terms of politcal stance they are definitely opposites in every way shape or form.
Usually the "they're the same candidate" argument comes up because of their styles and campaign.
Both are the anti-establishment candidates. Both talk down on their respective establishments.
Both are very "radical" in their ideology (Trump very very right wing, Sanders very very left wing)
Both have crazy supporter/ fanbases imo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Would you mind sharing what you said here? I'm curious
Cidiot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I took the text directly from their websites and a site called ontheissues.org that keeps track of the candidates' positions on different policy issues. I just put them next to each other.
Here's Trump's positions: http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Here's Sanders: http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm
mikeramey1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I said the director was able to get to the full screen graphic so quickly because local news is automated. Spoiler: it is. -19 for being right.
Warzitec ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I commented on a thread on r/fitness where people were trashing OP about his eating and exercise habits, saying I thought people there were friendlier and more helpfull when questions were asked.
BET_THE_FARM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:45:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Made a joke about how redditors react to reposts, now i can't submit things in some of my faourite subreddits. :(
PinkMoonrise ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:37:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the party, but someone in /r/cooking was asking if they should remove their smoke detector to make food because it was always going off (probably because they're a shitty cook.)
I responded begging them not to, as two months prior I had a friend die in a house fire caused by an unattended cooking pot with no smoke detector.
o11c ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I can't pick one. These are not all from Reddit. Keep in mind I backed up my arguments, these are only the summary.
Edit: * pointing out that floating-point numbers are usually not useful, and if you use them for money you could even end up in jail.
rabbidcolossus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I browse the sub r/fatlogic, so take From that what you will, but I got down voted there for saying that it was unfair to criticize a fat person for just being happy with themselves.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:31:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wrote this on the /r/feminism and said, "Men and women are equal" I don't know what I was expecting but I got -45 downvotes in under 2 minutes.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people took that as ' there's no gender based inequality in this world '
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No they literally commented about how women were oppressed in the United States. I just sat there sighing.
wswordsmen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:37:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Talking about how the small quakes in Oklahoma means there is a non-zero chance that the area could have bigger quakes much more frequently. It is like Reddit doesn't like highly caveatted science that has counter-intuitive conclusions.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said, "Fireball tastes awful; unless you were to put it on pancakes...because it pretty much tastes like syrup."
Dragon_Fisting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because you're wrong. Fireball tastes like cinnamon.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Cinnamon syrup is where I was going with that.
justanotherkook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My brother would have hated that comment as much as he loves Fireball. Never developed a taste for it myself tbh
fdsdfg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:36:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone posted some story with a ton of pronouns..
"My sister's husband was working with his son, and his girlfriend. She went with him to her house and they..." etc. Impossible to follow.
I replied saying "That story is really hard to follow with all those pronouns".
The person edited their comment to make it more clear, any my comment started getting downvoted. One person replied "No it's not". I replied to that "It's not, after the edit"
and THAT got downvoted =(
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's common courtesy/sense to edit or delete your post after suggested edits are accepted.
fdsdfg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm not going to sit there refreshing the post until I see it's edited, so I'll probably be informed by someone commenting.
Downvoting the explanation is odd to me though. It's like "Boo, we already don't like you!"
warmhandswarmheart ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:46:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
-700 for telling people who probably have had nothing to do with the military and know nothing about the rules concerning it, that you may not choose to not follow a lawful order from a superior officer without serious consequences.
edit for clarification
edit again for more clarification
Viking1865 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna assume they were confused about the "lawful" part. Or their the idiots who think that "lawful" and "I don't like it!" are the same thing.
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can I guess, if you want to be dishonorably discharged.
TheExplodingKitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But you sort of can though can't you, there would be serious consequences but you can choose.
warmhandswarmheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is assumed when you say something is "not allowed." I mean anything is allowed if you disregard what is going to happen after you commit the act. Being allowed to do something assumes you can do something without legal consequences.
donkeymonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But... You can. There will be some consequences but there is almost always a choice.
warmhandswarmheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, depending on the importance of the order, like being brought up on charges of disobeying a lawful command, insubordination, or a dishonourable discharge. This kind of goes without saying.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain what exactly is a "lawful order"?
warmhandswarmheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It is easier to list the orders that are unlawful, because pretty much any command given by a superior officer is lawful with these exceptions. The order may not make sense to the men it is given to but it is not up to them to second guess the purpose of the order. Sometimes they will not know the big picture An example of an unlawful order is one that goes against the Geneva convention. This is an agreement reached after the second world war which you could say are "the rules of war." Some examples of an unlawful order would be killing unarmed civilians under most circumstances, genocide, using biological weapons, shooting unarmed prisoners of war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions#Conventions. Another unlawful order would be firing on your own men or taking over command of a superior officer capable of being in command and/or encouraging others to do so. This is mutiny and the penalty is usually very serious. Sometimes ordering soldiers to commit an act that is pretty much suicide is unlawful as well but sometimes the order is part of a bigger plan that lower ranks are unaware of. Just because the order is putting soldiers in grave danger does not necessarily make it unlawful.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then why, oh why, do our soldiers keep doing it?
I've read about Geneva Conventions a lot, but several current and former members of the military have told me they routinely disregarded them.
warmhandswarmheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Doing what? Refusing orders, or disregarding the Geneva Conventions?
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Disregarding the Geneva Conventions.
Specifically:
warmhandswarmheart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why we (Canadian military) and you (American military) keep doing it. I guess the main reason is that they get away with it and think that the end justifies the means. The thing is though, that it has been shown time and again that torture does not necessarily result in good information. The prisoner will tell the interrogator what he thinks he wants to hear (weather or not it is true) just to make the torture stop. And, targeting gatherings just creates more terrorists. Why give people reason to hate you and wish you dead.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Went against the /r/relationships hivemind by saying "I've seen relationships recover from worse than this." The thread had been posted by a guy who didn't stand up for his GF after his sister made a mean joke about the GF's body, and the GF overheard. The top comment literally was telling OP to give up on the relationship, because there's no way she can recover from it. Seriously? And the GF hadn't even broken up with him, just asked for some space.
Viking1865 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's /r/relationships. BREAK UP is their default response to everything.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:20:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What's a feature in a game you were unaware of until after many hours of gameplay?
I said I didn't know you could run in Resident Evil 4. I made it to the castle intro where they catapult fire bombs at you before giving up because I couldn't make it up the stairs. My mate told me how to run two weeks later after I gave him back the game.
I never said it was easy or a cool challenge, I honestly didn't know. Yet some people thought I was making shit up because of the El Giante boss battle. You can get past that boss battle on Easy, without running. You just use up a shit load of health herbs.
Still got down voted regardless.
Cheesiepeezy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:01:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Posted a melt in /r/grilledcheese and got downvoted to oblivion.
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:40:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You deserved it. A melt doesn't belong in that sub. Fucking monster.
Malaix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ha thats pretty funny that they care that much.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What in the fuck is that sub even for, then? Why would you get downvoted for that?
Cheesiepeezy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:34:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently there's a big difference between a melt (has some kind of meat or vegetable on it) and a grilledcheese.
lamyrtilleverte ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:33:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You people make me sick.
KatCole7 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:07:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a comment about how it sucks that money can play a role in a relationship, but that it does. I said that in order for things to go smoothly if there's a difference in financial background the other aspects of the relationship are that much more important.
I didn't mean it in a negative way, at all. I even updated to clarify.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:08:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was this in /r/relationships?
KatCole7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:37:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yea
ShotsGotFired ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:33:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, now that is where you went wrong
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why does that subbreddit have such a bad reputation?
Edit: my keyboard was in Spanish, had to fix everything
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I've heard a lot of things about /r/relationships and got an actual taste of how bad it can be when I was down voted last week when I wasn't even disagreeing with the general consensus. All I said was I can see why the gf might feel like this but I clarified over and over that her reaction was not justified.
o11c ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have a handy rule for that:
i<3u, and the converse.In other words, for a relationship to be successful, neither party should be more than 3 times "greater" in major aspects, e.g. financial background.
KatCole7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See, and I wasn't even going that far! The woman (under 20 I remember) who posted came from a wealthy family and was dating a guy who came from nothing. He had a great work ethic she said. Her mom did NOT want the relationship to happen, and was frankly being a bitch about it. I said her mom was in the wrong here. She went over the top. But it is true that if other aspects of the relationship were shaky she may have a hard time having a relationship with the guy. If you are used to being able to never worry about having food on the table and then find yourself in a relationship where it may be a concern, any other relationship problems will be totally magnified.
TriggerHappy_NZ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:06:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After one of the recent terrorist atrocities, I replied to a "Why does this keep happening?" thread. I crazily suggested that perhaps if we stopped bombing the living shit out of Muslim countries, they might be slightly less pissed off at us.
Turns out I'm literally Hitler.
robert3131 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You are not Hitler but I doubt that they would stop attacking us.
robertx33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dislike your name
robert3131 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
whatever bob. jk
Persyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"...but maybe... maaaybe if You get shot by a dude you were just shooting at, it's a tiny bit Your fault?"
myheadfire ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4dbo2b/redective/d1ql81d
Malaix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:40:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Their legends are certainly greater then the men themselves.
Doctursea ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:10:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was on /r/food and there was an infographic that was about replacements for eggs in cooking. I hate eggs and am bad at cooking so I asked if anyone knew how to know what replacement to use when.
I was downvoted a lot. At first I just thought I had typo'd but it was actually just the first time Reddit is more pretentious than helpful. If you want the right answer just say something wrong first, you're gonna be downvoted anyways
demcrazykids ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope someone answered you properly! I personally mix 1Tbsp flax meal with 1Tbsp water, let the mixture sit a minute or so. Ta da egg replacement!
legumey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a list http://skillet.lifehacker.com/this-cheat-sheet-shows-the-best-egg-substitutes-for-ba-1684302007
Rivka333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I dislike eating eggs by themselves, but they are useful in baking. Do you dislike them even when hidden inside the mass of ingredients for cookies?
Doctursea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer not to eat eggs at all but it's just a preference. Normally I just don't eat many good that include them anyways including sweet. I would be helpful to find replacements while baking though
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Serious: is there any time when blood won't make it turn out well?
Historically, stuff like pig's blood was viewed as a major treat when they slaughtered the animal. I don't know how to get blood these days though.
TheRealTedHornsby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't the first, and it won't be the last.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:19:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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TechnoRaptor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well I mean with contraception. Fucking a hot cousin wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Immediate family is just whack tho
CT2169 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:44:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a really interesting moral issue. I personally think they are both fine.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If no child is conceived though, does incest really matter? It makes sense to stop incestuously conceived children from being born but other than that its none of my or anyone else's business.
I doubt many people will ever fight for it but its just another artificial sexual boundary that will fall. People would look at being gay, bisexual, into BDSM or many other acceptable things these days as extremely offensive and unacceptable even just 50 years ago.
Hell they can practice necrophilia if they want too as long as they get permission from the deceased before they died.
It doesn't harm me or any one else in any way.
Ithinkiplaygames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But what happens if someone does get pregnant from it?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:59:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I don't care, it isn't the first and they certainly won't be the last. Although there is the argument to be made that the pregnancy should be aborted.
That said, what would making it illegal do? One of two things will happen, A. birth the child and raise it in secret denying it and themselves medical care and help causing further problems B. claim the child has a different father causing all sorts of problems in potential future custody and child support battles.
Hell there is a good chance the child will be born and have absolutely zero problems. Incest doesn't always result in major genetic problems or diseases unless you have previous incestuous family memebers further up the family tree or they are both unlucky enough to have a lot of recessive genes.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:45:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're going to get downvoted here too, I'm afraid.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:35:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason he didn't have a chance was everyone spouting off he didn't have a chance, that is why you got downvoted.
zThief ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:01:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If that was true, Trump wouldn't have been the nominee because everyone kept saying it couldn't happen. The majority of Democrats just don't want socialism yet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I didn't hear anyone say it couldn't happen.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bull shit, he didn't have a chance because he sucks at politicking. Look at him now, this is exactly why he didn't have a chance.
Good_parabola ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I told someone that Caperdonich and Glen Grant scotch are worth trying.
Also, I hate MacCallan. One note blandness. Let the downvotes begin!
Userkare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That I really like women in stockings and high heels.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Recently I commented on a post in /r/gaming stating that the obsession they have with in-game female arses was puerile after the millionth post involving Overwatch and one of the female characters arses. Last I checked it was at -60 or something like that.
It isn't unreasonable to point out that having a giant circlejerk about female anatomy and getting really creepy about it gives off the whole misogynistic vibe that /r/gaming regularly complains about.
robertx33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think I got downvoted on lol sub for saying there should be some more ugly female champs and sexy male champs. I was arguing that many male champs are not sexy but cool while straight guys were trying to tell me the opposite. Got called sjw a bit too I think. I just wish fanservice wasn't so one sided.. I get pissed off when everything read, watch or hear is fanservice aimed at straight guys.. But when I complain, I just get told to suck it up.
I wish I could see what they would do in a universe where gay fanservice is the norm. Their heads would probably explode.
alekzander01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Romans didn't wear red tunics, they probably wore white", got -14 for that one
People take their red Romans very seriously.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thanked a woman for her perspective on sex in r/nsfw_gifs or something similar. Got downvoted and labelled as the "fedora guy".
jmoney777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On /r/Pokemon I criticized Pokemon X/Y for its lack of content compared to previous games (especially B2/W2), its very low difficulty and badly optimized game engine compared to first-party 3DS games, but everyone at /r/Pokemon views Game Freak as gods that can't do no wrong.
Alexjp127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I hate /r/pokemon and I wish there was a better pokemon community. Especially one that's more Game-centric.
jmoney777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I don't watch the anime at all and I'm not interested in any of the fan art. I'm a huge fan of turn-based JRPG's and I feel like the Pokemon games have such huge potential but always fall short.
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You have to consider their target audience is children.
pokemon_fetish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell is wrong with me?!?
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure. Sorry.
pokemon_fetish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I like games.
boreas907 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I put forth the idea that a fellow redditor was perhaps being a bit ridiculous by insisting that pizza not cooked with wood fire is not pizza, or worth eating. Still not sure why I was somehow wrong on that one.
Perfectus_Depereo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said once that i am a guy who was friends with a girl. Got down voted
Sheharizadian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once said that poor people are more likely to commit crimes and be addicted to drugs. About -60
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure that would be backed up with some kind of stats too.
111uhh1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got -200 on a /r/roosterteeth thread for giving constructive criticism. Of course, that sub absolutely hates criticism of any kind, despite the fact that they say they don't mind constructive criticism. Also, just a bunch of mean comments completely missing any of the points I was trying to make.. those got quite a few upvotes though.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said the owner of Grumpy Cat has a daughter. She does.
CowboyFlipflop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Go against the circlejerk and this will happen. I don't see any reason to comment if I'm going with the circlejerk, so I have some downvoted comments.
Super models aren't necessarily super attractive. They're chosen firstly for how skinny they are, everything else is secondary.
I said that I'm no fan of Islam but some rumors against it are just slander.
I said don't fuck animals.
I said I'm not convinced Jesus demands abstinence in /r/Christianity where extremists could hear me. I should've just said "this is nuts and you all sound like Puritans." Downvoted either way.
I quoted Monty Python. Maybe I'm too old for this crowd.
I said something scientific in /r/Science. You would think this is what they want, but no.
I said that information doesn't always want to be free. /r/Cyberpunk doesn't like that.
I have no idea what these downvotes are even for. Why Reddit, y u do dis 2 me?
I admitted that I don't know much about anime in /r/CosplayGirls.
I had a realistic investment conversation in /r/BitCoin.
I didn't know everything about soccer violence in /r/Scotland.
SPOILERS FOR BSG SEASON 4 - I claimed with evidence that /r/BSG's favorite character may have committed murder.
I made a joke which would've been funny in the 1990s.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Am Australian and got your joke.
CowboyFlipflop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
!! :D
Most of us are Americans here so I guess that's why the joke fell flat.
FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ the Islamophobia in that Islam thread.
People that genuinely believe that ISIS is just normal every day Islam. What the fuck.
VoidMageMalzahar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:41 on June 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That last joke made me laugh a little too hard.
FRENZY2K ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I commented that someone looked like they could be related to Emma Stone. Someone responded that they could see it too. My comment went negative 8 and his positive 10. How does that make sense?
Osiyada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"NSFW?"
Cbitezvagoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally any time I mention my major I get down voted.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:51:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread on /r/malefashionadvice asking what shoes to get for a junior prom, I suggested Converse. For context, the OP stated it was one of two proms they were going to, this one being much less formal than the other one. Also mentioned a budget that prohibited any dress shoes which were really worth buying. I suggested a clean, new pair of black converse with reason being he would be dancing all night, chucks would keep his feet more comfortable than cheap dress shoes and his date would be happy if he danced with her more. I mentioned that your junior prom is more about having a good time than looking a certain way (to an extent). That one got about -45 and a lot of weirdly aggressive responses about how I was an idiot who didn't know what he was talking about. I responded with four or five pictures of guys in suits, all about OP's age or early twenties, wearing chucks and looking awesome - some of the pictures came from GQ and similar magazines. That one got about -20.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just googled some pictures and this combo doesn't look half bad !
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cheers pal!
Hakusmash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some guy complimented on a female wrestlers looks (Sasha Banks) said she is stunning in person.
He got downvoted....
I said wow clearly she's not!
I get -50
The guy who said she was hot goes from -4 to +32
So yeah....Go figure
badfuit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was heavily down voted for saying something along the lines of
'I'm not so familiar with the age of consent laws in USA'
I guess out of context that seems pretty bad...
Chrysalis1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any comment chain where everyone says shit like "Cat. Cat. Cat." I typically comment something like "goose" and its always downvoted to oblivion. I just find it funny because they hate you so much for ruining their dumb little comment chain. Also stating things like this typically get me downvoted. Or saying I expect downvotes like I am now typically gets me a ton of them as well. Its like you are asking for them really.
DivineEternal1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mixed computer OS buying choices with D&D saving throws.
Namath96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:54:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Years ago I got super downvoted for saying Russell Westbrook was more athletic than Derrick Rose. Feel pretty vindicated now
shnmchl61 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I strongly dislike Kobe Bryant and made a post about how people shouldn't compare his final season with that of Michael Jordan. I always expect some disagreement in sports, but one comment said something about "nobody is comparing their last year. Post me one article where somebody compares the two." I responded by posting an article that did just that and got a -10. IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!? IF SOMEBODY SAYS POST A LINK AND YOU POST A LINK, WHAT DID YOU DO WRONG?! I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS!
skel161 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time didn't hold up to modern games.
riotzombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:29:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Said that I liked a tattoo a guy had, except that it extended out to the back of his hand. Placement added no additional value to the composition of the tattoo, and basically just made him look less professional. Tat was great; placement was iffy.
SoundOfDrums ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that if you're not a mod author, the cut given to mod authors isn't a valid argument against paid mods.
StrawberryR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I expressed an unpopular opinion in an unpopular opinion thread. :|
Nobody wants to know that I hate Game of Thrones, they just want platitudes that make them feel special.
Kirino_Ruri_Harem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:50:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some discussion about a female headed porn studio, where I mentioned my dislike for many of the men involved in porn. If they're in front of the camera they need to shut the fuck up. If they're behind the camera the women aren't actually enjoying themselves, and most of the time it's because they're being hate-fucked from behind or in the face. But my main beef was with genuine satisfaction never becoming a factor in the majority of porn.
I was in TwoX though so a bunch of tools gave ignorant replies and I was at -30 something by the time I abandoned the "conversation."
hcrld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:48:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On an thread here along the lines of "What is your favorite simple in-brower webgame?" or something, I responded with Kittens Game, an idle/village simulation. I got down to -6, with nobody commenting to tell me what I did wrong.
Jucie_Potatochip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:16:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one
AT_thruhiker2016 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mentioned that brown rice has higher level of arsenic than white rice. People flipped their shit. Double digit downvotes from #brownricematters supporters.
Mythicdream ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:31:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was downvoted because I made the connection that Bungie has the number 777 as a company favorite because 73 = 343, hence 343 Guilty Spark. It was something I found just playing with a calculator, and when I I shared it to reddit, they said since I had incorrect terminology, I was an idiot. And also because I said 10 years instead of 7 years when I mentioned the time the company has been around, it was an estimate you filthy fucking casuals.
Bakanogami ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:13:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes I use a low profile skin for Reddit at work that doesn't show what subreddits things are in and defaults to /r/all.
So sometimes I accidentally post a negative comment in The Donald without realizing what Sub the post is in.
papnvleis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:50:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Suggesting that it's a bad idea to let an 11 year old boy continue to watch porn. It was probably my most down voted comment.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:03:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I asked a person from India if he was rich because he had a bidet. (I've seen 5 documentaries about how rare toilets are there.)
Indians are a proud people apparently. Judging by their responses they ALL shit outside all the time and then take it back inside to post on reddit.
pa7x1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:21:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In /r/leagueoflegends I got double digit downvotes for explaining that a polarized crystal does let laser pointers pass through.
If the laser pointer is linearly polarized then you only have to turn it and it will go through untouched. If it is circularly polarized then only half of the intensity is filtered.
They were circlejerking against riot for not using booths. They had marvelous solutions to everything, noise of thousands of people in a stadium? Just soundproof the booth, easy. Laser pointers? Polarize the glass.
The real science is not as simple, but if it gets in the way you can simply downvote it.
I studied theoretical physics and wear those downvotes with pride, one of the high points of my career.
honolulularry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:21:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got down voted for saying a highlights reel of a woman's AFL match wasn't very good. I'm not being a misogynist, it was just bad football.
samamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:25:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A video where a guy was bicycling on the road and a driver got pissed at him and i commented on it wondering why the guy is bicycling on the road instead of the sidewalk and got downvoted into oblivion.
nmk55255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Seems reasonable. You aren't supposed to cycle down the sidewalk.
samamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:27:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
where im from you are not supposed to cycle in with the traffic but on the sidewalk or on the edge of the road, im from a small finnish town so its not like its crowded or anything
maybe in bigger towns you simply cant bicycle among the foot traffic and the sides of the streets are filled with parked cars.
DoneDoof ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:29:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a post about addiction I talked about my friend dying and two weeks later finding out my dad was an addict in his 50s. I was looking for help but all I got was downvoted... Jerks
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:26:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit... Really sorry man.
avsngh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:44:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All i said was that 'I am a happy man'
mckinnon3048 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Told someone in askwomen that they were in fact not raped, after then invited their attacker on a romantic date with the intention of going farther, and when asked if they wanted to have sex said yes...
Apparently they don't take kindly to saying you can't take back consent years later... don't remember which throw away it was, but that was negative hundreds.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If she changed her mind during and tells him to stop and he doesn't then yes that's rape. If she changes her mind but says nothing, then you can't really blame the guy.
mckinnon3048 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was a, in hind sight, I shouldn't have done that.... if it was a nvm, get off of me she'd have my sympathies, but what she had was regret, not sexual assault.
QueenOfPurple ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:07:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With regards to a teenaged boy (under 18) who was convicted of rape, I voiced my opinion that after he serves his sentence he should be a free man to live his life.
The hive mind sentiment was either 1. life in prison or 2. execute him as if he were a murderer. For raping someone. As a teen.
Sorry I think people are entitled to freedom after serving their prison sentence. My bad.
Eptar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:24:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, rape is a crime that not even murderers will tolerate (especially if the victim was a child). If you didn't mention anything about the rapist keeping a sex-offender tag on him, then I can understand being downvoted.
jjh927 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Murderers don't tolerate rapists because they like thinking there are people worse than them. Rapists probably also think themselves morally superior to murderers, even if they accept what they did as a crime. Personally, having experienced neither first-hand, I don't think I can say which is worse.
Warpato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really true though....pedos won't fair well But rapists usually don't have to deal with too much and plenty criminal groups from street gangs to more organized groups have engaged in rape
I'm operating on the assumption here where were talking about people in prison
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:59:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Long but here's a good argument for your position.
https://www.ted.com/talks/bryan_stevenson_we_need_to_talk_about_an_injustice?language=en
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the same way, especially when it comes to drug use/ selling and especially in athletes cases.
Athletes and celebrities are normal people too. They do bad things some times. They fuck up.
But when they fuck up the entire world turns them into the evilest villains and they should be locked up for life/ executed.
I can't blame any athlete for any crime they commit. A lot of these guys grew up in the streets. They came from nothing. The fact that they were able to become professional athletes is a testament to their talents and work ethic. It's a shame that people forget that they are normal people. They probably grew up around a lot of crime and were able to overcome it.
robertx33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
How does being young make it less bad to rape?
QueenOfPurple ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:04:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread that asks people what they've been down voted for, I am yet again asked to defend my opinion.
It's not that it's less bad to rape someone when you're young. It's that there's a reason children aren't tried as adults for certain crimes. Teenagers make mistakes. I'm not saying it's excusable. I'm saying hey, if someone is 15 and commits a crime that isn't cold-blooded murder, maybe they deserve a second chance after they serve their sentence. Maybe they shouldn't rot in jail for the rest of their lives just because they made a mistake when they were young.
Teenagers are impulsive. Their brains aren't fully formed. They don't always understand the gravity of their decisions or the consequences of their actions.
And again, I'm not saying a criminal convicted of rape gets a free pass. But ten years in jail followed by a lifetime on the sex offenders registry seems like punishment enough to me. Especially if the offender is under 18.
Warpato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe any under 18 should be tried as an adult ever ...ypu can't deny someone rights on the basis they're not mature/developed enough to handle it but then expect them to be mature/developed enough on judgement day
myheadfire ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:42:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4fxaye/entire_police_force_of_colorado_town_quits/d2cy29w
BASEDME7O ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like most of you are probably really misrepresenting your comments and the context
Trulymote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing we can look and check to see what they actually said
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:50:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that gender =/= sex, and that unless in a medical/sexual context, gender is the one to use for someone.
TheExplodingKitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't actually get the whole transgender thing and "gender identity" and what not. But what the hell is the difference between gender and sex?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sex = based on physical characteristics (ie, whether you've got a penis or a vagina, boobs vs flat chest, ability to grow facial/body hair etc), gender is more about your identity and who you are, how you think.
In my comment, I simply said although they overlap 99% of the time, it's rude to completely disregard someone's gender because of their sex (ie, calling a post transition trans woman a man, or describing trans people as "unnatural", "deranged" or "false" is unnecessarily rude and that there are kinder ways of phrasing things...
TheExplodingKitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Surely what you define as gender and sex should correlate with each other, that's how our genes are meant to be just like were meant to have 2 legs. So could having a different "gender" be seen as a birth defect? Just as being born with 4 legs is. I'm genuinely asking a question not being a dick, I'm not saying birth defects are bad things they are just things that happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, they should correlate, and do about 99% of the time, but there's sometimes exceptions, and when there are exceptions, it's generally more polite to see the person, not just the parts (unless in a medical context).
Some people see it that way, and I've got no issue with it if it's the body that's seen as the 'defective' and not the person, as it gets a bit problematic if it's meant as if being trans is a mental defect...
A bit like in my case, I'm a trans man and tend to think of myself as being like any other guy but with a problem that meant I didn't develop the right parts and went through the "wrong" puberty because my body couldn't produce enough testosterone, and compare it to conditions that cis guys can get (ie low testosterone levels causing later physical development, gynecomastia, vocal cord damage, etc.)
TheExplodingKitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you could say that as your definition of gender and sex SHOULD correlate (I appreciate that this is not always the case), then in the cases they do not this could be described as a birth defect or a mental illness.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason I identify as a man is that I was born as one. I never gave it any thought other than that.
I just feel like myself, and part of being my self is that I was born a man.
I don't understand this idea of thinking of oneself as something they've never been.
If someone wasn't born a man, they have no concept of what it is to be one, so how can they honestly say that they feel as if they were supposed to be one?
Following the other person, I'm not trying to be rude, just it always confuses me.
janedoethefirst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The most recent one was when I said something about how people who are really fat aren't just fat because they are lazy. I said they have more going on than that emotionally and mentally. People didn't like that.
Then there was the time I said people should not hit people out of anger. People really disagreed with that and thought that people should be hit when they deserve it. I disagree in that sure, sometimes people deserve to be hit but it is still wrong to be the one to hit them unless we are talking self defence.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
fat people hate still lives on in reddit unfortunately.
even if they are fat like who gives. some people are going to be bigger or smaller than others. i see no problem with that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
most things I post get down voted. I'm starting to suspect I don't fit in on reddit, I'm okay with this.
JL_1218 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
it was in a thread about what America does best
I said "has school shootings and does nothing to prevent them from reoccurring"
MrWonder1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:59:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said "you shouldn't blast an air horn into the phone when talking to Comcast support because those people don't make the rules but are just doing a job they probably hate." -350ish karma. Jokes on them I made 400 sweet sweet karma when I posted it in a " what's the most unreasonably downvoted comment you've ever made" tread. Hahahha suckers!! Edit- ๐
SadManRoamingFree ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:19:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I said Captain America Civil War wasn't that good and was the same shit we've been getting for a while from Marvel.
Edit: downvoted again. Might as well go all out. mcu sucks ass and every movie they release is painfully predictable and forgettable.
Lupin_AAGL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I love it but fuck this, you are entitled to your own opinion. Just don't go near r/marvelstudios lol
SadManRoamingFree ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
As are you, and I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their opinion, if you love it then fuck yeah, you got your money's worth, but I just think they're bland now.
Lupin_AAGL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I'm more afraid of being personally saturated by them now than I was last year. Hope it doesn't come true, though
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The reason people like the movies are not because they think the plot is compelling. It's because it's has cool action scenes ect. There's more than one way to enjoy a movie.
SadManRoamingFree ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:47:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but the cool action scenes are expected in a super hero movie, so maybe it couldn't hurt to make the plot compelling.
But I'm one person, and they seem to be doing fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it I guess.
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think they're okay movies. The plots are obvious and predictable but still enjoyable.
Boner_All_Day1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I enjoy them because RDJ as Iron man cracks me the fuck up. That's literally the only reason.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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theoreticaldickjokes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they like kids "too much." I've had students that want to be kindergarten teachers, but they feel like it would be a bad idea becuase they don't want to be called a pedo.
I think it's more of a fear all men have, than a stereotype that all people hold. Men are afraid of being accused of being a pedophile, but reasonable people don't automatically assume they are.
DemeaningSarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a job that ran parties for little kids. I've had a few crazy moms here and there. But ascetic jews were by far the most difficult to deal with due to this entire male can't touch a female whatever.
dilly_of_a_pickle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread asking for bands you like ruined by the singer, i mentioned smashing pumpkins because their instrumental music is a revelation, but billy corgan's voice sounds like a capybara being squeezed to death... so nasal.
Downvoted because i answered the question.
Esco91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Was it in /r/music? Saying that you don't like almost anything music related there will get you heavily downvoted, apart from with a few certain styles/artists that seem to get the complete opposite.
pokemon_fetish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was here on AskReddit that thread.
Cybertronian10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said something about how men experience emotional abuse and nobody cares. -77, the irony was delicious
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Did you post this in a discussion about women experiencing emotional abuse?
Cybertronian10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From what i remember it was a reply to a quote from some "feminist" in 2012, something that implied women are afrid of being murdered while men bitch about getting their feelings hurt
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:02:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I think you were down voted because your comment relates to a mens issue when the discussion was about women.
Cybertronian10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The thread, yes, but the specific comment was shitting on mens issues without much in the way of a good reason.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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zm34 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:32:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It should be entirely reasonable to assume that you won't get a brick through your car window for a run-of-the-mill political bumper sticker.
Viking1865 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but Trump is literally Hitler and throwing bricks through the windows of people who support him is like throwing a brick through Hitler's window. Hey have you seen John Oliver's video where he shows just how Hitler Drumpf is? Because he is literally Hitler. It's definitely not fascistic to throw bricks through the windows of people who have different political views than me.
Hey, great idea, all us anti Trump people should get together one night and throw bricks through the windows of all the Drumpf supporter's houses and cars. Because that way, we're fighting literally Hitler. We'll call it the Night of Broken Glass Fighting Literally Hitler. Maybe John Oliver could talk about it.
Alexjp127 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
uhhh /s?
Viking1865 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:37:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would hope that wouldn't need a sarcasm tag, but some of my liberal friends are convinced that anything you do to Trump supporters short of killing them is deserved.
Eptar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. I can definitely confirm this. Some liberals go absolutely batshit if you say ANYTHING positive about Trump.
DrMonkeyLove ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry, but how can you actually find something positive? The man is a lunatic.
Eptar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
To each their own, I suppose. I don't see him as being a lunatic.
o11c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:08 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That rings a bell for some reason.
Viking1865 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't trying to be too subtle with it.
Moezambiq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone else takes an uninvited risk with your property, no matter how reasonable they think it is, the consequences belong to them.
tvreference ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:17:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You don't say that.
That is our word.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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budgiebum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I consider the action of putting a sticker on someone's car to be vandalizing it. So the first douche was already in the wrong. Then, unfortunately, another cunt came along and decided to kick it up a notch since he also has no self control. No rock would have gone through his window if is "friend" had not first vandalized the vehicle.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:03:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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myheadfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4c91jt/redective/d1gajgf
GrandDukeOfNowhere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:43:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
that is pretty naive: why should you trust them?
myheadfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because a person is only as good as their word. If they're willing to throw that away just to scam me out of a few bucks, they're out more than I am.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can also think that you're just testing their trust . The ones that are trustworthy will never be afraid of such tests and will support you for it, because they know they'll only get more trust in the end .
The ones that object any attempt to test their trust on them, on the other hand...
myheadfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you can count it later and then you'll know.
MrsValentine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah fuck that. Some of us have sales targets to hit and respect to maintain.
RanchDressinInMyButt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, you sweet summer child.
Thealzyman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
In a thread about favourite animated films I posted that my favourites were, Inside Out for 3d, and Princess Mononke for 2d.
I've had other posts getting more downvotes, but those were more contentious/controversial. With this, I just posted the names of two films I really like.
S-jhone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
With a -12 score, it was an answer to someone talking about their teenager relatives freaking out and crying about things, but a normal teenager isn't supposed to cry about.
grtrfrfg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
yes right
AnimeAndComputers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Got -10 asking why someone's password was more than twenty characters
Arbaregni ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because longer passwords are better. Not saying they should have downvoted you, I'm just attempting to rationalize
AnimeAndComputers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I understand, but why did eleven people AT LEAST feel the need to down vote me?
funchy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Daring to post outside of /r/vegetarian or /r/vegan an answer to a question that involves a plant based protein source, even if it's in the most non confrontational way.
TechnoRaptor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Food is just food to most people, healthy or not, they don't want to over think it so they down vote. They associate "plant based protein" jargon as smug hipster deuchebaggery
Herr_Doktore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone asked what happened when a guest ruined a wedding. I responded with the following references. Hit -13.
"After careful consideration, I've decided to become a grandfather! But I'm sworn to secrecy."
The best man was supposed to leave New York for a job in Chicago that night. He left the wedding early, met a girl(the bass player from the wedding band), and stayed, after a tear filled goodbye.
Everybody died. It's now referred to as The Red Wedding.
The groom got eaten by a giant alien creature, and the bride had to kill it.
This ugly ass ogre objected and turned the bride into an ogress.
This asshole, Bill, nearly killed The Bride.
fledermausman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would be great if everyone just downvoted every comment in this thread.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:18:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My very first account I made a comment about how I have this inability to miss people.
I got 77 down votes for it.
professorsnapeswand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:53:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that declawing cats is animal abuse and should be made illegal. Got tons of downvotes from people who clearly think mutilating an animal's feet for the sake of their furniture is A-ok.
asyty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I spoke out against censorship.
I should've known that those Reddit people hate freedom of speech... What was I thinking
dankcomment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything I have ever posted on 2X.
Fuck those people.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't been on there and I plan to keep it that way.
Mattlink123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you because that sub is depressing. Every other post is about abortions.
spiritcrusher77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get why the fuck they're a default, when more than half of redditors are guys! It makes no damn sense!
Eptar ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a guy? Because all guys are chauvinistic pigs. /s
terminatah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
any time i've ever said anything negative about zack snyder or man of steel in r/movies, it was blindly downvoted. interestingly enough, this didn't happen as much after batman v superman: dawn of justice came out
graptemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:51 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Head on over to r/cfb and post something about Bama. Downvotes incoming!!!!
Viking1865 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Haha I remember after the last week of the regular season I said that Bama was the best team in the country and that Stanford should be the 4th team in the playoff not Michigan State. Downvoted to oblivion, and I was right about both of them.
max81968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I told someone The Withcer 3 was a shitty game even though he said "They did nothing but improve on the previous titles."
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4luzvw/what_would_you_consider_the_perfect_game_and_why/d3qft59?context=3
zm34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That is because you are wrong.
salbris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure why you think your reasoning is valid. He's basically saying the 3rd game is better in every way from the others. How does that imply it's bad?
max81968 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"All they did was improve" implies they only changed minor things, but left the core of the game the same.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once mentioned flaws in the release version of The Witcher 3, such as a the clunky interface on the PC-Version and the horrible approach to female characters
(Both these things have been addressed by the Dev's in patches and DLC, btw., so they saw them as issues too).
That was during the Witcher-Is-Out-Lord-And-Saviour-Phase of r/gaming. I got around -50, I think.
tiltowaitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Whatโs wrong with the approach to female characters?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
The Witcher 3 has a very limited array of female characters to start with.
Most of the NPCs you meet are men, this is especially true for plot-relevant characters.
Those female characters that do exist pretty much all fall into the two types of Love-Interest or Daughter-Figure. Note how both of those types of roles require a man.
Then there are the finer points that the women in the game have very little agency on their own. Triss and Yennefer for example follow along with what others do for the most part. They have very little in terms of their own goals, considering their importance to the Lore. (Note: I'm aware that they do have goals on their own, like Yen's stuff with the Djin and Triss leading the mages away, it's just preciously little considering the scope of the Wichter III. They keep bragging about how it's the scope of three novels or something, yet the whole game has like five significant female characters (Ciri, Yen, Triss, Kira and that girl on Skellige that want's to be queen))
Then there is Ciri: the plot of the Witcher III is pretty much about her. It's part of her story. However, she is relegated to a side-character in her own story. That's wierd. In the books it's the other way around: Geralt is the side-character when the story focuses on Ciri.
I am not saying the Witcher III hates women or is a terrible game. I am (and was) just saying that this is a rather glaring flaw in an otherwise great game. The rest of the game shows a level of narrative skill that makes it clear that it could have been done better. It's certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the previous entries of the Witcher series (Hi there, titty-collection-cards from the first game!)
These issues have been addressed in the Blood and Wine DLC, by the way. It features female characters who check off the points above: They don't fall into the protect-me-or-fuck-me stereotypes so bad and they have goals and ambitions on their own that aren't just reactions to what men do.
tiltowaitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. I don't quite agree with everything (for instance, I think it's fine that the others are side characters), but I agree that most of the female characters fall into two specific roles. That's been something that kind of plagues the whole series, actually, though as you said, it's way better than the first game.
Rarylith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From memory it was at -15 something it went up afterward.
Perhaps it will go rock bottom after this post.. lets see.
JunDoRahhe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I told /u/Luna_Lovewell about a mistake in a story. (S)he had Anakin as an orphan at the end of The Phantom Menace.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:25 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I talked about how people were taking the Drone craze way to seriously. I got tons of down-votes for saying that drones don't really invade privacy
Saiboogu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Replied to a comment that did a Sesame Street Count joke without the Muahaha bit. Added the laugh and a FTFY... Buried in down votes. Guess they weren't Sesame Street fans?
diaboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically everything I post in /r/AsianBeauty. I love the subreddit, it's really helpful and useful, but I get a lot of downvotes every time I post there, even though I'm following the rules. I always get helpful, sincere answers to my questions, even if the questions themselves get downvoted.
elynnism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Posted in xxfitness that if you want a certain physique, focus on your macros rather than just eating less calories (supplemented with exercise). First time I made the comment I got up votes, second time I made the comment I got -40 down votes and some chick told me "she can just make shit up too". I hate that community of catty bitches.
On_The_Seaside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got (mildly) down voted on a thread asking something like "what is the best name you've heard for a dog?" Just thought it was an odd thing to down vote.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that lightsaber battles should look cool, and have an emotional impact.
hahaha1009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a commented with one of my favorite game soundtracks on a thread about favorite game soundtracks. I think it went to about -5. I can't really remember.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said pregnant women shouldn't be celebrated as mothers on Mother's Day and people were pissed. I couldn't believe the back lash and the nasty things being said to me. Someone said I'm the type of person to say "oh, you had a miscarriage, keep trying.l.
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean. As argument. If a pregnant woman is up for the task of raising a child, is willing to support that child, and is working hard to make sure they can provide for their child, I see no reason why they shouldn't be celebrated and encouraged on mother's day.
Azmodan72851 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A guy posted a good deal he got on a lego set and everyone liked the information. I did the same thing with a different set and I turned into a scalper
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was downvoted for saying that you don't need to make anywhere near $150,000 a year to live comfortably in NYC. Some people have a really extravagant idea of living comfortably.
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FourO40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My APUSH teacher always has some ridiculous things to say.
One time he told us that there's no such thing as a middle class and that its something the left makes up to trick us.
He thinks that everyones either super rich or super poor and that "middle class" issues are all bullshit.
NewfiePS4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Stop resetting the leader boards on /r/rocketlleague
ablaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Alyssa Campanella was posted on /r/gentlemanboners. I posted in the comments that she was a gamer and watched Game of Thrones (both true statements). Got like 30 downvotes, and I have no idea why...
Nintendog24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that Russel wilson is a better quarterback before the and Newton would be destroyed in the SB.
vimescarrot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Literally any time you don't jump on the League of Legends hate bandwagon and say something neutral or - Icefrog forbid - even positive about Riot's game, work, or attitude.
SmallTownJerseyBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trying to give the people twice the downvotes? All those people who were all "I wish I can downvote that again".. Nice try1
with_an_E_not_an_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I recently got a number of downvotes for saying that a guy who repeatedly raped his two stepsons, offered them up to others, and forced them to partake in incest with each other should be castrated.
For anyone interested, he basically got 14 years in jail.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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with_an_E_not_an_A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think someone who has shown such a violent and selfish disregard for human life requires more punishment than a slap on the wrist. I wouldn't categorize castration as an "eye for an eye" kind of punishment as the ones you have listed, but I get your point in providing those examples. I suggested it because I have read about pedophiles who have voluntarily had the procedure and had a positive outcome by not having any sexual desire any more. I am not sure how many of these were actually child rapists though. It's important to note that I didn't suggest that it should be a procedure enforced by the courts. I just said he should be castrated.
I do believe that violent sexual predators cannot be dealt with through traditional therapies, and I sometimes wonder the point of giving them any jail time at all, except for making ourselves feel better about our inability to really assert any meaningful justice. Even if there was a therapy that worked, I doubt the prison system would provide adequate access for prisoners. Surely, for most, prison is not a deterrent; it's just enough time to fool ourselves into feeling safe again and to forget how brutally disgusting some people can be.
On another note, my annoyance with being downvoted is not that people disagree with my opinion, but that I would be downvoted for "voicing" an opinion in a subreddit that clearly states that downvotes are to be used for those who break the rules of the subreddit, and not as a means to show disagreement.
If you get enough downvotes, your contribution is essentially censored which ruins any chance of having a real discussion about other points of view.
I am always open to discussion and I try to respect that others hold opinions that I don't which is why I enjoy roaming around places like Reddit. However, there are always a few who aren't mature enough to recognize that there is something to be gained from our differences, even if the only thing we get from the exchange is a strengthening of our own position.
Edit: spelling
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment I guess
Krickalicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On /r/mtgTCG I said
the title was
radpandaparty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a post on /r/nfl a while back asking for teams w/ the worst QB situation. I said the Jets/Texans/Cowboys/9ers/Browns some of which ended up being popular answers on the thread but I was downvoted to the bottom because some Texans fan misread my comment and others agreed with them.
grlonfire93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This whole post makes me feel better. I get down-voted for random things. I asked my husband about it, (he introduced me to Reddit) and he just shrugged and said "it's the internet dear"
SmokeWine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any comment where I disagree with a popular opinion.
Storm_Wolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In r/KerbalSpaceProgram I spoke out against the literal copy and paste posts that come up over and over again, got downvoted to hell and back.
livefox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in IT for a call center that deals with sensitive customer information and posted a comment about turning in a supervisor that was trying to use their title to play phone games while working on customer account (no phones were allowed on the floor for customer safety).
I was told I was basically filth and a dirty nark and that I was the reason people hate their jobs, and got double digit downvotes.
TomGrimm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Askreddit question was what Pixar movie is the best. I said The Incredibles. The fact that anyone at all downvoted me is baffling.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What do people think is the best Pixar movie?
TomGrimm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I thought The Incredibles! But I guess it's either Toy Story or Finding Nemo.
PinkAnigav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I followed a comment tree of "Lol doggo" on /r/me_irl
DeeDee_Z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have been a pizza deliverer as an adult.
And so, my perspective on tipping is apparently different from every kid who shows up at your door and says, "I met the minimum requirements of my job, so you should pay me even more." Common response: "Butbutbut, I -deserve- this..."
After several back-and-forths, I just reverted to baiting them. I was genuinely entertained for a couple of days, but BoyOhBoy, did that cost me in points!
(For the record, my opinion is that anyone who excels at what they're doing deserves a tip; those who, as I said above, just barely meet the minimum requirements of the job do not -- they get their share of the 'delivery fee', even if it's not all of it, and that's that.
(It is thus a surprisingly difficult job to excel at.)
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I generally agree with tipping people regardless of their performance (unless they're complete assholes or something)
You never know what people might be going through/ their story/ their struggles, so I try not to judge and just tip accordingly because atleast they delivered my pizza and I appreciate that enough to warrant a tip.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I hated game of thrones.
pokemon_fetish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:51:36 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good, I am not alone.
Castro96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On CSGO REDDIT: An Australian said he had his first laugh of the day at 10AM (posted at 10PM Australian time). I said it wasn't anything special unless he meant 10 PM.
I got downvoted a lot!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was in an "unpopular opinion" thread. Even if I disagree on those threads I tend to not argue because, you know, unpopular opinion thread. Anyways some guy commented that he regularly throws his lit cigarette butts on the ground anywhere that he is. He was being a douche about it though, and would insult people who replied to him. So eventually he said something to somebody who was arguing for the environment along the lines of "that's cool and all that you have an opinion, but those of us who do it don't really care." So I commented "that's cool and all that you have an opinion, but those of us who give a flying fuck about the planet don't care." He got up voted and I got down voted. Then he replied that he would "buy non-dolphin safe tuna in my honor". Christ, what a douchebag.
aezart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I misinterpreted a family tree and got -13. I thought it was showing the person, their children, their grandchildren, etc. But it was actually showing their parents, their grandparents, etc.
Why the fuck would it go back in time from left to right?
Shnezzberry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: Welcome to reddit, fuck your opinion
themolestedsliver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was on r/trollxchromosomes and there was this joke post about "I was with a guy and after sex we were talking and he said the wage gap was a " myth" " and then it shows a cartoon of something getting out as quick as possible.
If you said anything against that the wage gap is real and a problem you were downvoted to hell. I commented something in response to some saying some snarky about wage gap "deniers" and i had several sources....didn't matter I got super downvoted and no one else bothered to respond.
zach2992 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Just the other day someone made a comment about something, and then someone else said "Without context it seems like _____".
And I said "So it belongs on /r/nocontext?"
Not angry about being downvoted for it, but just curious why it was downvoted.
darthatheos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I admitted that I used porn of which I don't like to pad out my link karma. People were not happy, not one bit. -49
DoubleDonkDiddyKong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forget, but I think I commented "cool" on some art and got like -10
bentheawesome69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a comment in /r/destinythegame about having triple as many points as the other team in pvp but still getting crap rewards and i got downvoted
usaokay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I defended modders having the right to have extracted models in other video games.
The bias fanbase frowned upon that. Someone else made a similar argument and got gold for it. Ah well.
PM_ME_YOUR_SANDWICHz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything I've ever written about fossil fuel production not being the root of all possible evil.
FSUnole92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that song by Future about fucking up commas was one of the worst songs I'd ever heard.
dirtgirlbyday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Childfree. Mentioned having a biological clock and got my ass handed to me.
OkArmordillo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I shared a story about a guy being rude to my girlfriend and me being too shy to do anything. Got about -8.
Shaquarington_Bithus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
SRD vote brigaded my most downvoted comment. In the comment section of SRD they were agreeing with what I had to say but just downvoted my because it was the one linked to it. A few of my other comments even got a good amount of upvotes (none near the amount of downvotes the linked comment got)
2muchcontext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
After getting called out for reposting, I tried to explain to a person the fact that taking a gif from one sub to another, where it can also apply, isn't reposting, but rather x-posting which is done all the time. Nope, downvoted hard via snowball effect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I replied to a thread about a 26 year old having a ONS with a 18 year old and said he was not in a any way a pedophile, I brought the wrath of /r/relationships upon me.
lava172 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not massively downvoted but I got downvoted for advising people to block people that are harassing them online.
GozerDaGozerian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For saying that I thought the Arkham Knight was Jason Todd (the red hood) months before the game came out.
I was right.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure there are others, but this one surprised me. The other day someone asked about things we like the smell of in askreddit. I said I actually rather like the smell of chloroform. I was downvoted.
I'm a chemist, and I was serious. It has a very delicate and sweet smell that is very pleasant. Smelling it doesn't automatically knock you out like they show in movies.
poopievans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Jews to non-Jews. Trust." I could never understand why.
Probable_Foreigner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People over in /r/conspiracy were talking about a site called TOTSE which was, in their words, "full of hacking, drugs, bomb making, scamming, phishing" and also "On numerous occasions, totse, grouped up, in real life [...] They put neon signs on Bridges in the USA, causing a nationwide bomb scare.". The site got taken down and I got downvoted for saying this was a good thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4m7qbn/totse_conspiracy_the_fall_of_the_temple_of_the/
reddextor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went on r/relationships and said I could see things from the guys perspective (he wasn't abusive and he hadn't cheated) and that maybe the girl could give him another chance. Down voted to like -10
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What did he do exactly?
reddextor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
He essentially embarrassed her and in front of her friends intentionally because he thought it was funny. If you look at my post history it should be pretty close to the top. I would link it to you but I'm not sure how on mobile :/ please check it out though I'd like to here another perspective on it.
balaam_beast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just made a post today in a local group that my work is holding a charity event for cystic fibrosis. Who downvotes charity fundraisers?
Tylerdong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything on r/the _donald
CatRugLZol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a huge fan of the UK politician Jeremy Corbyn.
I mentioned this fact on /r/unitedkingdom and reasonably explained why. Well fuck me for having a dissenting opinion.
Zuul29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread of a girl who posted a pic of her butt in /r/gonewild, I suggested she exfoliate to get rid of the bumps...
You would have thought I suggested she go jump off a bridge...
Diabetesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I actually find fedex to be quite reliable.".
It got -20.
There was also one where I joked about how you should keep shooting commercial reloads cause people getting hurt is awesome. No one saw it as a joke. The point was every week someone posts about how something went bad yet people still use it.
KP_Wrath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When prompted for what I know about Norway in an Ask Reddit article, I replied with a very brief description of the 2011 Oslo, Norway terrorist attacks and called the terrorist responsible a subhuman scumbag. Two downvotes. Not my record, but I believe I called it correctly.
furifuri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One time I found a thread about Grade A Under A, and someone said they didn't like his voice. I replied in agreement and we both got downvoted. Then he had his little meltdown and on a discussion thread someone got plenty of upvotes for saying his voice was annoying. Like... The degree of how annoying his voice is didn't change, so...
Geth_VI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:53 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Deltasquad97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/catsstandingup
All the same comment, but they pick one person to downvote to hell.
Deltahotel_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I said I liked a movie in r/movies and they all lost their shit because they didn't liked the director, hadn't even seen it
Reddspez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably this one
jano0017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If I downvote him, the joke makes sense and I lose... If I upvote him, he gets karma and I lose... The only way to win is not to play? (sorry if I misquoted that)
calluxtor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Basically when ever I ask people why they've down voted a particular comment
jackelsano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said somethning about redditors making ignorant claims about things they probably never experieinced let alone understood, downvotes ensued. I wouldn't be suprised if people decided to check out my PH and then started to downvote this comment aswell tbh.
SpawnTheTerminator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For me it's because I said Darkseid can defeat Goku on a debate sub.
WarhoknTheMisInvoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone made a joke that was overused and not original so I commented "this doesn't deserve upvotes" -306
politicalpartygirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone posted a video of a mortician who posts photos of body parts of the people she autopsies. I said I thought it was completely unethical and really upsetting. My mom donated her body to science after she passed and the idea that someone could have exploited her like that is sickening. Morbid curiosity is not a good enough reason to do this. But hey, apparently I'm in the minority there.
Qender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone posted in r/Star Trek something like "what could you say to anger as many trek fans as possible."
Most people wrote stupid stuff like "Star Wars is better I hate Scotty" and got upvotes.
I wrote several paragraphs explaining why the popular trek meme "darmok and jalaad at tanagra" is meaningless fluff like Big Bang theory's "bazinga". It's a flawed concept because it's just a metaphor which every language in Star Trek already has, and that there are so many great quotes and stories that it's terrible people generally use this one to represent the show.
A ton of trek fans got angry and downvoted me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said "totally the name of your sextape!" I got more than 100 downvotes. I still don't know why?
lord_gaben3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That Bioshock was an FPS instead of an RPG. -20
DenikaMae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Old account, someone asked what was the worst crime you got away with, and I replied with the details of the high school criminal empire that was handed to me by my brother. Downvoted in the double digits.
GolemTheGnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one
Imjusta_pug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Lmao, you console players have nothing on pc players."
CuppaMatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one
hajjr6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:42 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said moms spaghetti on a comment chain and got -500. Also on one of those "Karma Casino" threads where there's a comment chain made of the same one word comments (i.e. cat), I got downvoted by like -600 karma.
AustinXTyler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a comment on r/Skyrim that basically supported the Thalmor. Apparently, people really like their Talos
TheHasegawaEffect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
-11 for linking to a gfy of a giant.gfy, though i was abrasive about it.
triplejk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything on /r/RocketLeague just ends up in an unreasonable amount of downvotes.
I once confused the definition of the term "pinch" and I got to like -15 before I said I was sorry and explained that I didn't know that it means something different in that game..
nmarder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I suggested that a 17 y/o victim of parental child abuse should consider suing her parents when she turned 18.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That may be because the whole process of suing can be quite long and tedious and the victim would have to recount all the horrible memories of how they were abused.
nmarder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's a valid point. Nevertheless, I was downvoted to hell and not a single person actually wrote a reply.
Dorf_man7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any Donald Trump comment.
CrazyKirby97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
One time I said Angry Birds wasn't inherently a bad game by any means and I got downvoted.
Just getting downvoted in the first place was bad enough. It was just an opinion.
MLPorsche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i got downvoted on askreddit for posting a MLP theory i liked when the question asked about favourite TV/movie theory
saw it at -5 and deleted it before the hivemind downvoted it to hell
learath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Several different comments about how nuclear is safe.
TheGuywithTehHat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said my computer was "not all that great" and got -84, then made a joke and got another -34.
The_Punniest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:16 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some girl in /r/jeep posted a selfie in her jeep and I said "you have very nice teeth."
tune4jack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I received -21 votes for saying that if you see a dog in a hot car, even if it's in distress, you're an idiot and an asshole if you smash the window in order to "rescue" it.
I also responded to this article with:
Yes, the guy is an asshole for making that video public, but the girl is also a dimwit for making a sex video for a guy she keeps breaking up with and thinking nothing bad will happen. Girls, you never know what kind of person the guy you're dating will turn into once you break up with him. Err on the side of caution. Never make a sex video.
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In many states it's legal to do this if the animal is in immediate danger, so how does that make someone an idiot?
I have made sex videos. I don't really see the big deal. If he shows it to anyone, he'll be showing himself too, so he's risking as much as I am.
tune4jack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Then the law is stupid.
The video the article talks about only had her in it.
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, if you leave your dog to die in a hot car you're the stupid one.
tune4jack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also stupid to go smashing car windows. What are these vigilantes going to do, just stand there with the dog until the owner comes along and beats the crap out of them?
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are required to call the police, so the police will be there.
Also, they aren't vigilantes. Vigilantes do what they do to avenge a crime. People who break windows are saving an animal's life.
tune4jack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:25 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck to them if the owner arrives before the police do.
GotMeQuestioning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something along the lines of replying to a statement that a "second" is called what it is because it is the first division of the hour. I responded with asking why isn't a minute called a first then and got down voted to hell. That's not the bad part. A couple months later, I see the same comment chain and the exact question got 800 upvotes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The show consists of nothing but back stab u and passive aggressive characters plotting and scheming against each other with 8 different plotlines you have to follow.
DerangedOctopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This comment.
Calkky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anything where I question the veracity of Donald Trump
bumjiggy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot to add the "/s" when I said "the customer is always right" in /r/TalesFromRetail
thenoblitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some dude on TIL posted that Ali was against interracial marriage on the day he died and I posted that he chose a great time to post that and currently at -61
WackoMcGoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said once that 60fps video (as in Youtube videos, not actually playing a game myself) made me motion sick, because it just feels unnatural to see things be that smooth without having some level of motion blur, not to mention the Cheap Sitcom Effect for 60fps live-action video. Seven months on, and it's still #1 on my "/comments/?sort=controversial" page.
Other gems: Assorted posts on /r/Windows10 (I seem to have a love-hate relationship with that sub, one post I get upboats for good advice, the next it gets downvoted to oblivion for the same advice but worded oddly), admitting that the MLP fandom has mad animation skills even if I'm not a fan of the show itself, making an Undertale joke on /r/pcmasterrace, and mentioning my tobacco/weed-smoke allergy... in a pot-related AskReddit thread.
Mu69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Said a guy might have shin splints in /r/running (He described basically what he felt, and I have felt it before so I was taking a guess)
Said that a guy that makes CHILD PORN should be raped cause he basically fucked up those kids lives
fizzures ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I didn't like Cabin in the Woods. :-(
clockworkgirl21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I loved it, but don't really care if someone else didn't.
StandupGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone found a way to trick a website into selling them something for nearly half the original price. I called it slimey, said they were scamming the site. The people in the thread informed me that it was the site's fault for not removing the glitch in first place, so basically the site was asking for it.
Boner_All_Day1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Remember to sort by controversial boys and girls.
Brentolies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every single time I talk shit about the Red Hot Chili Peppers I get down voted to oblivion. That's about as unreasonable as it gets. They're the WORST.
Uglypants_Stupidface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I posted a link to exit poll data that showed New York might vote for Hillary.
edit: in the thread to talk about New York's primary election.
VanceXentan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
a really bad sarcastic joke referring to another character being better than another.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not my most unreasonably downvoted, but eh. Still relevant.
In /r/PS4, I said that I hope the Last Guardian takes place in the Forbidden Lands from Shadow of the Colossus before everyone fled and deserted it so that it can expand upon what the area was like while it was populated because I always liked the area in SotC.
I was at -2 Karma within the hour IIRC, not a single comment explaining why it was worth downvoting.
Other than that just post anything other than the cover art for Witcher 3 in /r/Gaming and you'll be rolling in downvotes.
ChessClue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a few Rebus puzzles for paint Monday in r/soccer. They're probably nowhere near as clever as I think they are, but I certainly don't think they're bad enough for -12 (and -9 for the explanation!). Right? (please say yes this is a very important issue I have lost as many nights of sleep as I have lost karma points over this because karma is crucial to my survival)
blxrrysquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:08 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
There was a "comment your birthday" post and my comment was downvoted to no end because my birthday happens to fall on 9/11
Lag5pike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I commented "Sometimes driving high isn't the best idea" in r/trees. Got heavily downvoted
D1G17AL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that a comedian was perhaps receiving too much witch hunting from Reddit.
Here's the context for you if you want to see it. I may have been harsh but damn reddit had the rage dick that day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/3mlsyp/millionaire_radio_host_stomps_on_homeless_mans/cvgctlu?context=3
akirartist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Of the top of my head. Cat.
CatchMyException ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Mentioned the Vive on /r/oculus.
TheGnudist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said "Cat." in /r/CatsStandingUp.
superDuperMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said Latinos will favor Clinton over Trump. My fault I was commenting on r politics which is not based on reality.
chem9dog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got super down voted once because I said being a pedophile was a terrible thing...not kidding people saying "he just made a mistake, get over it"...like the child that was raped won't suffer from it for potentially his entire life.
There is a shockingly high number of pedophile/rape apologist here on reddit it turns out.
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:12 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I have sympathy for non-offensive pedophiles. But the second one of them touches a child they belong behind bars.
RobertTheSpruce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I responded to a /r/wtf post saying that someone who was wearing a urinal on their face was a little bit weird.
BDSM people really don't like being told their facial urinal mask things are a bit weird.
spiritcrusher77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I responded to a comment on a post about Windows 10 with this:
2FAST4YU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I said that people's parents who didn't put in a dime for their children's tuition should refrain from telling their child what to major in. Got down voted pretty bad. Still trying to recover.
TheLastJuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Something with how e-sports overuse the word sport.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
i was downvoted to hell in /r/destinythegame for suggesting that the high frequency of cheesing is what saps the fun out of strikes
WarBeastPegasus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted about 20 times for admitting that I would brutally fuck Kristen Stewart because I find her sexy but a shitty person.
littleman385 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one? I'm gonna say this one
SnakeEater14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think mine was asking for an example of vigilantism going down well at any point in history, in a post about vigilantes killing innocent people.
That rustled my jimmies.
empoknorismyhomie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I questioned whether or not Sidney Crosby even had balls in the hockey subreddit. Got -50. It was worth it.
SosX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said a human life is worth more than any and all my pets. People really like their pets apparently, also don't care much for the value of human life.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's a harsh truth people don't want to admit.
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree that human life is inherently more important than any other life. Why would it be? We're human, so of course we view ourselves as more important. But there's nothing that proves that. It's just what we believe.
I however would never downvote for disagreement.
Vegesus44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one?
elfgirl1317 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone asked why lesbians are often offended by lesbian porn.
I explained several of the many reasons. People decided to use my comment to convince me that I am absolutely wrong about how lesbians feel about lesbian porn, and that the objections to lesbian porn are either all false or could also apply to all porn. I was just answering the question....
chainplatinum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in /r/relationships last week and some woman gave an update to a break up she said she wasn't feeling the relationship anymore and wanted to break note the post itself had 98 upvotes but she was getting shit on in the comments. A commenter wrote "Why is she getting shit on" and I said "because she a woman on reddit with no feelings." and got -5 AND someone said in reply to me it's because she was too mean to her ex and because he was crying and emotional he should have gotten the house plus op was still replying and so i wrote to her
"Yes op speak with your crazy ex alone nothing bad could happen
It shouldn't matter 5 minutes or 50 years this is how you end it. What i got from this is we only got to read from op's prospective and from what she wrote she gave him too much sympathy. Was it mean? No, someone had to move out and he was acting out of line so op gets to stay and he has to get over it."
After this the op got more upvotes I got up votes and I had my first justice boner
feedmeicecream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A dad posted a picture of himself playing video games with his baby and I said "you are ridiculously good looking" or something along those lines. I was down voted into oblivion.
silmarilen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In this game i play there used to be a person who was leagues ahead in skill than everybody else. Compare it to the Netherlands on speed skating during the last winter olympics. At some point he cheated and got banned (it's worth noting that he wasn't accused of cheating beforehand, just a couple of scores he cheated). 2 Years later he came back and started streaming on twitch and got several thousand viewers and even twitch admins hyping. I said that i would rather have that attention go to someone who wasn't banned and was greeted with about 20 downvotes.
PeakPredator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
These two, in different threads but basically the same topic.
"I think we should all respect the privacy of those who consent to be intimate with us, married or not."
"Thank you for being a good person. One of the few, apparently."
ratchet457l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that some black people are using #BlackLivesMatter to shield themselves so that they can say blatantly obvious racist remarks. Got double digits for that one.
Ahtobe_original ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I am a asshole, I assume all my down votes are reasonable. I also troll a bit... star wars sucks!
LumberJames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
NatnissKeverdeen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted a pro-Bernie comment on a Bernie subreddit with my politics reddit account and I got like -7 down votes.
TheManWithNoEyes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In one of the makeup groups that used to pop up on my /r/all feed when I first started, some girl posted a selfie of having only done 1 eyebrow for some reason, and then leaving the house.
she said, I knew something was wrong...
I said, I thought it was your resting bitchface. (-84)
TomassoLP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I defended Donald Trump once, only because he was the only (serious) Republican candidate who doesn't hate gays and transgender people, which is completely true.
Deleted the comment because all the Bernie fans refuse to believe that Trump wasnt the worst Republican candidate, and downvoted me -50.
LadyRakat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:23 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's from /r/SquaredCircle. It was in reference to whether or not a wrestler becomes irrelevant for making an appearance on Total Divas.
fishfur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"She has a beautiful ass hole"
Hakusmash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Any comment that goes against the hive mind mentally of any subject being discussed...ever!!
ShooterDiarrhea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once asked how someone did not know what his sister did for a living. Got downvoted.
MenudoMenudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On a previous account, I stupidly replied to a thread about what popular movie do you dislike. I got downvotes, and people replied telling me that the movie was awesome. I really don't understand people sometimes.
ariehn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Ever referenced a joke so old that everyone's forgotten it was a joke?
So instead of being that guy with the lame jokes you're that unbelievable douchenozzle that upset everybody?
Yeah. Still sorry about that one, r/niceguys.
The_Funki_Tatoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be bothered looking for the comment, but last time I looked for it, it had something like 120 down votes. The original commenter sarcastically commented about whatever the post was about (I think it may have been on r/nottheonion). So, I replied with a sarcastic comment, agreeing with the guy, and I was bombarded by people calling me an idiot and that I couldn't detect sarcasm, which I find pretty ironic.
MpMerv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted for telling people it's okay not to check your blind spots if your side mirrors are appropriately adjusted. Apparently there are a lot of motorcyclists on reddit.
GabuTheBunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone made a post to /r/skyrim saying something like 'who said skyrim can't look good on low end systems', and I commented something like 'everybody' because the pictures looked shit.
mrjigglejam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
THIS one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
A person replied to one of my comments, saying something about, "An American Country". I asked "What's an American Country". Cos I just found it weird. Other people did and I was down voted. Am I missing something?
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:18 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I would say it's any country in North or South America.
schmuckmulligan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that Elon Musk seemed like kind of an asshole.
Lord_Skittlesworth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:33 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once made a typo and then admitted to making said typo. They did not like that one bit.
MogelTWF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was just speculating about MGSV's story in a thread for a Lets Player's video and I got completely buried because I was right. As well trying to explain that my speculation came from watching an in-depth playthrough of the original Metal Gear games was completely impossible.
posts_awkward_truths ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
Bootstrings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:22 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was wrong once. oh god.
Gretchenwhit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said something about having kids and had 5 downvotes and a guy followed me around trolling for an afternoon. One of my first comments on Reddit.
LalliJay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said couples should be allowed to sit next to each other at a wedding reception.
Dicoguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cat
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There were all these people calling this girl an attention whore because she was cute, and she took a picture of herself in frog slippers.
But then I said something like, "She's not an attention whore because she took a photo of her slippers. Someone else submitted this picture, not her. In fact, if you look at the pic, and see how many people she shared it with, it says only 5 people."
Downvotes away! Fucking idiots.
thespianbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't believe in stories" referring to the Bible. Got a bunch of down votes if I recall correctly. Didn't pay too much attention.
Stoibs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When WWE2k16 released on PC, there was a thread about it on /squaredcircle with a handful of people who had already bought it answering some questions about the port job.
Being somewhat interested in it, I inquired whether the FPS was actually capped at 60, or allowed for unlimited for those of us with beefier rigs and 144hz monitors, apparently this was perceived and being elitist and something of a /pcmasterace humblebrag, and so was downvoted into oblivion.. I don't actually even remember if my reasonable question was answered or not.
:S
illanswertoanything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The question was, "what's the most ridiculous thing you got made fun of for?" I said, "big boobs" I'm not sure if they thought I was attention seeking...but it actually happened
Bad_Luck_Bert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The correct way to spell the word "realize" is with a z rather than an s, yet I see "realise" plastered all over reddit and it quickly became a pet peeve of mine on this site. I pointed it out once and those in the thread thought I was trolling and was promptly downvoted.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They're actually both correct and depends which country you're in. We use realise in Australia.
Bad_Luck_Bert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
At a point I kinda guessed that, but I try to base on the Merriam Webster spelling. Probably why it bothers me so much.
ThriftStoreGestapo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once encouraged people to register for to be a bone marrow donor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In r/catsstandingup I commented Cat. like everyone else and got downvoted. :( Never again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread about whether people wipe standing up or sitting down, someone asked how sitters wipe without getting their forearm all over the seat. Someone replied that it wasn't an issue. I replied that it was literally my biggest concern of the matter. Five or so downvotes immediately.
BUT HOW DO YOU NOT GET YOUR FOREARM ALL OVER THE SEAT?!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in an askreddit thread ages ago called something like "what's something about america's culture that you just don't understand?" or similar. One guy answered that he didn't get why people asked for/expected tips and that it "disgusted" him that waitresses and waiters asked for them. So I thought I'd explain to him (politely) that in the US, they rely on those tips to live and that he should be disgusted at the fact that they are forced to live off tips. Got downvoted. Not too much, but it was still bewildering.
flyingcircusdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not me, but when Jill Stein mentioned she's against nuclear power. I think that comment got over 400 down votes while also receiving gold.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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nmk55255 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:41:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I was younger I went to a conference thing in Washington DC and was told that if China invaded with their full force they would overwhelm the USA through numbers. Assuming each rocket from the US kills 1 enemy jet, tank etc., the US would run out of rockets before the Chinese ran out of soldiers. This was 8 years ago though so who knows.
F_Deity_Link ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
On /r/mildyinteresting someone posted a picture of a TV in their dentist's office, which they thought was uncommon. I said it wasn't and that I had watched some home improvement show the other week at the dentist, in a reply to someone saying it wasn't uncommon. -1 karma
robmox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I replied to a post on /r/guns once to the effect of "I want to get an AR, any recommendations on where to start?" In less than 20 minutes I was at -28 and had a handfull of comments that basically said "That's not an AR you dumbass." Not a single person even made an attempt to correct me or help me. I get where they're coming from, because of the stigma against assault rifles in the US, but I was asking a question looking for help, not baiting them into letting me confiscate their illegal firearms. Needless to say, I only comment on handgun posts now, because those I'm more familiar with.
weekendofsound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The day before Lance Armstrong admitted to doping I suggested in a thread it was nearly impossible that he didn't as he lost a year to cancer and all its complications while his competition continued training at 100% and then he came back and beat them. I think that got -20.
readparse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:16:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
fxkmehxrder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was someone talking about the name Frambois, someone else brought up an Archer joke, I replied to that with another Archer joke. "Pele of Anal" to be exact and no one liked it. I'm sorry I'm a fan.
Jowitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:46:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that I thought 'Children of Men' was overrated in a thread that was asking 'What movie do you think is overrated?'
I certainly liked the movie and thought it was pretty well done, but I didn't think it was some holy grail of science fiction like some people had been making it out to be at the time (on /r/movies).
But then again, I haven't seen it in a while so maybe my opinion has changed.
Gabenfoodle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Random RemindMe comments.
Newfypuppie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I went on the chinese subreddit and someone was asking for the Cantonese written version of a word and I told them Cantonese doesn't have a written form. I later checked if I was wrong and am still confused since Cantonese itself doesn't have a truly unique written form, rather normal Chinese with some words swapped out
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:48 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There's some characters that only exist for cantonese.
MintyLotus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I didn't need deodorant
Roses88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said you can't get pregnant without ovulating
aardvarkyardwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:01:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Most recent one, I said that even though I agree with their general stance, the anti-Trump protestors who egged the pro-Trump women were acting despicably. It hasn't been downvoted to hell or anything, it's just the most recent reasonable comment I made that's been downvoted.
Kutharos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:03:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"And somehow the kids magically turned into pure black children from a white woman's vagina."
-7 points on that.
The entire thing seemd to get downvoted on /r/cringepics
Can be seen here
Pretty much the guy has some weird racist ideas about mixed kids. Not sure how I got so many downvotes, but there you go.
RoofShoppingCartGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:25:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a comment about getting tired of looking at Aziz Ansari's face after watching a few episodes of Master of None back-to-back. I think I got like -50 or something, it was just very confusing.
kraftymiles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:16 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread on free speech I noted that the author of the quote was a renowned pedophile. But nope, no one seemed to like that kind of free speech.
EmpennageThis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Granted it was only at 0 karma, but why? I just said Mexican tacos are better, and most people I meet haven't tried them to compare.
becks0815 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Told someone who mentioned: "going back to 'murica from Mexico" that his statement is wrong because both countries are in 'murica (and he should say USA) - minus 40 or even lower.
MysteryRanger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Good question. Take a downvote
clownrock95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://m.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4h629u/comment/d2o7gwm yup
Barnowl79 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, when I said I wasn't a fan of the musical stylings of a certain Mr. Kanye West. I may as well have said that I rape kittens.
thudly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:10:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking all of them.
Lydious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I voiced a completely neutral, polite opinion about a brand of cell phone, stating that I preferred a different one. Downvoted to hell.
PorkMePique ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone made a list, and I corrected them by saying: "4.) Arsenal" Many arsenal fans did not find that funny :/
Longtalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/bicycling comment about how I fucked up my tire pretty bad but was able to fix it to the point of being able to ride on it for a couple more weeks. Its a true story, yet everyone there tried to say i made it up. Feels good to know that It is true and i have several people who could verify it, including the guy I crashed into and the people i worked with who saw my fucked up tire everyday.
nomnomnompizza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:55:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/relationships got me for about -300 total when I was telling a 16 year old to not completely abandon his entire group of friends because they pulled a prank. It wasn't a "IT'S JUST A PRANK, BRO!" type prank, but a pretty good normal and well thought out prank.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:40 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was the prank?
GuerrillaRodeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:14:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
/r/android pissed itself like an excited dog over Android N's new multi-window feature. The entire wrath of that community hit me with full force when I pointed out that this was something most - if not all - graphic OSes have been able to do for decades.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:08:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Thanks me too" on me_irl. -1400+ DVs.
fabledgriff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For correcting sentient to sapient.... I just wanted to teach a new word...
NoOneWorthNoticing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cat.
jemmcgrath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was complimenting a piece on r/art, got downvoted for writing watercolour instead of watercolor.
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
colour is english spelling, color is american spelling. It's not wrong to spell either way as long as you're consistent in your spelling (for example don't use both elevator and colour)
jemmcgrath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I grew up in the UK so I automatically use english spelling. A few times people have tried to call me out for spelling something with a u (flavour, neighbour) etc. I mean I've never been to america so why would I use the american spelling?
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:03 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't. You'd also (probably) use lift instead of elevator.
IncognitoBadass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"vote gun control"
on /r/justneckbeardthings
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:42 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one
stepsword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not too long ago I commented to let people know the existence of /r/cwarrow for those viewers who still wanted to discuss the show and not switch to a different show. Like I get that you 6 downvoters hate the show but don't take it out on people who like it
complexsystemofbears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:45:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Picture of a tricked out pistol. I comment:
Extended clips always look terrible on handguns. I get like -15 and a bunch of people giving me shit about calling it a clip.
I say okay, extended magazines always look terrible on pistols. And then I got like +10. I found it amusing.
Also I may have just mixed them up again. I can't remember the difference.
Duckrauhl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:01:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Corrected someone's spelling. Downvoted into oblivion.
June1111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I can't remember the thread or subject matter now, but someone made a comment I really liked and so I committed a huge Reddit sin by saying, "This needs to be higher up. Come on, Reddit! We can do it!" People flipped out. Tons of downvotes and people telling me to go back to 9gag. I guess that was a noob move...?
CaptainPsychopath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:57 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"HD remaster is not the same as a remake" -2
Captain_Ludd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:38:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Offering lots of free courses and good jobs in my local subreddit. Genuine offers, the City has an unemployment problem.
sle3pyNutz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:44:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Told a OP stay away from reddit cancer
Jaffenator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one .
champ2345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:39 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That I preferred playing DayZ in third person to first person.
goddess_of_fear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I said I did not care for Superman. I just think he is too perfect. It is a bit unrealistic.
Thopterthallid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got banned from /r/autism last night for linking www.omfgdogs.com
I thought they'd like it :(
RomanticPanic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This happened like 3 days ago, someone made a joke on a gif of some porn, my comment to said joke was "aww lame can't make a joke on porn" or something along those lines end got -50 for replying to someone else's joke
Losers take porn really really seriously almost like it's real and I've just personally attacked their family.
hlfx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a joke regarding someone explaining personal stuff: was the "typical" plot-twist reddit joke, it seems I do it wrong or whatever, downvoted to hell :(
ittleoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before project Morpheus was even rumored, I proposed that Sony could be working VR with the ps4, and how it could be done at an acceptable graphics level. I got downvoted to hell and told it was impossible.
Im_Not_Really_A_Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:34 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
There was a guy whose name was sarcasticorjustrude, so I asked him if he was being sarcastic, or just rude. -16. I edited my comment to explain what happened, and got upvoted, then downvoted again.
Startmyorangeforme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:01 on June 8, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted because I hated a giant purse.
NotXenon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:02 on June 12, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I corrected some guy's grammar to get punched in the balls by 12 downvotes.
GrandDukeOfNowhere ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:20:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
for some reason I always get downvoted when I complain about Amazon, also asking questions on r/mapporn tends to get downvotes as well for some reason
GrandDukeOfNowhere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:57:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
and now this one
ThatBriandude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The other day in /r/Worldnews I commented on someone that was saying that anyone who thinks it was a good idea to help the refugees was insane telling him that even if out of those million refugees 1000 are terrorists the lives we saved in comparison to the lives that will be taken are more than worth it. I got about -45. Thats when I decided to agree with people when they say that reddit is full of dumbasses.
nagrom7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:52:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I got downvoted to oblivion in /r/worldnews for defending someone who compared a commenter to nazis. Said commenter wanted to have boats patrol the mediterranean and gun down any refugee boats they saw, also gun down the ones drowning.
Dragon_Fisting ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that's not really a Nazi thing in particular. using the word Nazi to just mean bad doesn't really make sense.
BanEmilyxD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You think foreign lives are worth more than innocent american lives? You're the fucking idiot here.
ThatBriandude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The sad thing is that thats pretty much exactly how it went down
rahsftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For saying I believe in God. I thought I was allowed to believe in whatever I want.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Where did you say it? That is very important to understanding the downvotes. If you said it on /r/atheism, no shit. Otherwise, more information is needed.
rahsftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was on askreddit. The thread was about things that make you different from other Redditors. I would like to it, but I removed the comment and can't find the thread.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It was probably the fact that a good amount of redditors are christian, and people thought you were trying to be edgy.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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rahsftw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're not supposed to downvote a comment just because you don't agree. Now I think YOU'RE a dumbass.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because I am the only person in a 3000 comment reddit thread that could have possibly downvoted you. You certainly are stupid and have a persecution complex, you need professional help.
rahsftw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:07:40 on June 7, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not why I called you a dumbass, dumbass.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:41:59 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It must have been god's plan for you to get downvoted.
NWBoomer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Up/down votes don't involve money so I couldn't care less.
u_have_ASS_CANCER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread asking about your opinion on best car name, I said RAM Laramie Longhorn. I guess my opinion was wrong.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I posted that I thought smoking in public should be outlawed because you are forcing other people to damage their lungs with your second-hand smoke (or something along those lines...too lazy to find the actual comment).
Apparently redditors are very pro-smoking
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:39:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I guess driving should be outlawed too then.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I am driving I have chosen to be on the road with other drivers. I have chosen to assume the risk associated with driving. When someone is smoking outside a building I'm trying to go into, I have not chosen to assume any risk of secondhand smoke. They have chosen for me. Driving is not a fair comparison.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was referring to the pollution that comes from vehicle exhaust.
I have not chosen to assume the risk of breathing that in, the drivers of the cars have.
cats22015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Cat."
WaviestMetal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
once in r/dayz I suggested that their PR person was pretty bad because of a total lack of communication (this was like 4 months ago when literally nothing was happening) and got down voted to hell
TwistTurtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:07 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In the wake of a black woman getting cast as Hermoine for The Cursed Child, I had a couple of arguments against people who 'totally weren't racists' but had very strong objections to the casting, one of which ended in me having literally inform someone that black people can get tans. I believe I also called him a 'racist ass motherfucker', which was probably ruder than I needed to be but, I mean, come-the fuck-on, of course black people can get tans!
Evidently they took exception to this and downvoted me a fair amount, but I stand by my remark.
tondef001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
sauerpatchkid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"What was not allowed in your school?" I said we weren't allowed to wear hats. I think it got about 3 downvotes.
frontally ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling people out for bringing someone's appearance into a discussion over how they disagreed with what they were saying. Apparently it's still too cool to call people you disagree with "ugly" etc etc
hyperferret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said bullies should be punished by authority figures. I didn't say kids shouldn't try to defend themselves, just that there should also be real consequences for bullying. I spent many years in school getting bullied directly in front of teachers and they never even tried to help.
skelebone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I wrote a post expressing my opinions about a game, and another Redditor decided that he didn't like the way I formatted my post, so he copied my post in its entirety with his formatting choices. When I posted a response asking why it would be acceptable to re-post all of my writing and opinion without attribution other than a small note that he was re-posting to add more paragraph breaks (and no mention-by-name, no permalink back to the original post, and not set-off with quote blocks), I was hit with a bunch of downvotes.
Also, it isn't as though my original post was one long run-on sentence. I originally had three paragraphs, the re-post had five, but with the extra carrier-return between each to make that slightly-wider break between paragraphs. That's it, no additional content, no grammar edits, no spelling corrections.
Striker2056 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I asked someone in r/trees if they were from a particular area because I thought I recognized something in the post, then someone called me a cop and I was downvoted
robotninjaanna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was in a thread discussing the rng of a game and people downvoted me for thinking that it had a bias. People don't realize that computers are actually incapable of creating random numbers. They use what's called pseudo-random number generators that follow the properties that random numbers have, but aren't actually random. I was anecdotally making my case for the rng's bias and people blindly downvoted me into oblivion for having the audacity to suggest that random isn't always random.
CakeOnceAYear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pseudo-random != bias. The randomness of number generators doesn't really come into question if devs are weighting it in somebody's favour...
robotninjaanna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:20 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
I'm aware of that, but I had other reasons to believe that they intentionally made it with a heavier than necessary bias, which was what my post was about.
CakeOnceAYear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Your explanation is odd though, pseudo random numbers and altering rng are 2 separate things and shouldn't even really be mentioned together...
robotninjaanna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry. I never mentioned pseudo random numbers in my post that I was referring to, I just implied that the devs had control over the rng and people weren't having it. I just brought up the pseudo random thing in this thread so it didn't happen again
CakeOnceAYear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:52 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you mean now, my bad
robotninjaanna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
all good
INFEKTEK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In regards to vaccinations causing autism:
I've personally never met an "anti-vaxxer" nor seen any source claim they cause Austim. But it is DRILLED into you hard on reddit that they don't and asking any questions will get you downvoted to hell. Even just posting that anti-vaxxer's are stupid will get you 4k+ upvotes and gold (exaggeration but close to reality).
Cole-Spudmoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Before Captain America: Civil War came out there was a post where everyone was all hyped up about Spider-Man, and I said that I didn't really care if Spider-Man was in the movie or not and I probably wouldn't ever care unless Tom Holland turned out to be one of the best things in the movie. Downvoted to about -15.
LeakyLycanthrope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:56 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone linked to a video of Bill Burr talking about women. (I don't remember which one, the comment is now deleted.) I had the unmitigated gall to comment that it seemed like Bill Burr may not have the healthiest attitudes about women and relationships because I had noticed that the title of this video and several others were all about how women are gold-digging whores and generally suck.
RealSarcasmBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
People got mad at me postulating that perhaps having a drawing of an imaginary woman as a centre piece on a screen cringe worthy
https://np.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4mnfl3/slug/d3wy419
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:19:50 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That time I called a bunch of black kids animals because they were literally throwing food and trash at each other, screaming like monkeys and beating up a teacher who was trying to stop it. I stand by it and call them worse to their face
FourO40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because you associated black people with animals and monkeys.
Not that you were wrong or that those kids weren't doing bad things, but it is a pretty insensitive thing to say and definitely justifiably downvoted imo.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I call them as I see them
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Aldreath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Calling someone who is black a monkey or some sort of non-human ape is associated with racism. Generally because there are certain groups of people who think that black people are degenerate beings due to their race.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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Aldreath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You asked if it was frowned upon. My answer is yes.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, reddit doesn't like it when we call black kids monkeys, apes and jungle bunnies for some reason
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Echo that but because I'm a teacher I'm supposed to be fuckin saint or some shit
Harmanious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:31 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, you're not supposed to be a saint. You're supposed to, however, not be a racist asshole to children, and using racial slurs against kids is something a teacher shouldn't do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Bitch you don't know!
Harmanious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I'm a teacher, so I do know
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:47:29 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know who else knows? Tom Cruise
lucille-hits ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If it had been white kids would you still have called them animals? I would have based on how they acted not color. Have an upvote because I agree.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 02:08:51 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hell no! First off, white kids know how to behave and don't beat up little old ladies trying to stop the violence but I would just call them sir or ladies or just massa for short
aetbeut ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:50:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What the actual fuck
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:21 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You coming to the klan meeting on Tuesday?
Head-Case ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:40:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
When I said that I parked a truck and trailer across 5 spots in the parking lot of a Bob Evans. People lost their shit at me for that for some reason.
EDIT: I parked in the back and I had a 40' stock trailer with 5 not so happy horses in the back. It wasn't even busy, either, but people still got pissed at me, both in real life and on here, because holy shit, I ain't trying to park a fucking 50' rig into a single car spot. Sue me. Keep in mind that I'd also been driving all day and I was hungry.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:44 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was the not so happy horses getting back at you.
Lupin_AAGL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Possbly because that's the kind of thing only a selfish asshole would do.
Head-Case ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:28:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What was I supposed to do then? Park in a single spot? That's not happening, mate.
lokeruper ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 14:26:43 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
It was what is an evil thing that you do. I said I will sometimes park in the middle of two parking spots. I admit that it is evil but I was just answering the question why all the down votes EDIT. FUCK ALL OF YOU PERFECT ANGELS Edit: fuck you all bastards Edit: cat
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That probably triggered something in a lot of people.
Sweatylettuces ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:34:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think I would have downvoted
dryhumpback ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:43:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I'm gonna go ahead and downvote him this time to.
hulkbro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:16:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe just don't park like a cunt then.
blackangelsdeathsong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
And you'll probably get downvoted again here for just answering the question.
lokeruper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It would seem so. The injustice of reddit
TheExplodingKitten ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:42:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You totally deserved that.
legumey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey you were honest!
musiczlife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:23:05 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck those who downvoted you, again. That is the eviliest thing one can do.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:36:41 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not being evil, that's being a cunt.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty soon your most down voted post is going to be this one. Sorry buddy, as a whole reddit takes parking lot etiquette very seriously.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I bet you drive a stupid car to make up for your lack of personality.
lokeruper ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:14 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
K
iTut ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:27:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one
rubiklogic ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:52:03 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
May I ask, what is your goal here?
Geth_VI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try.
MacduffFifesNo1Thane ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:38:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My unpopular opinion that we should be able to have businesses object to participating in affairs that go against their beliefs.
This was in a thread asking for my most unpopular opinion.
skyflyer8 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:57:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see you're still getting down voted
MacduffFifesNo1Thane ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I really hate to bring Godwin's law up, but is Reddit really a fan of forcing kosher delis to sell pork and work on the Sabbath just because a customer can come in and claim their civil rights are being violated?
Are cakes and flowers civil rights? No.
Must we get rid of drive thrus as they discriminate against blind people?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I was with your original comment until you made the worst and most backwards example I could possibly imagine.
In ZERO cases would your example ever be upheld in any way, shape or form.
MacduffFifesNo1Thane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made up the kosher one. For the blind, well...we need to let the courts decide.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2016/06/01/blind-man-sues-mcdonalds-service-drive-thru-window/85240334/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:49:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can try to sue for anything, I could literally try to sue you for not farting in my direction often enough, that doesn't mean jack shit though because it will get thrown out of court.
skyflyer8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So long as it's for the Greater Good /s
More seriously though, peoples' love of force so long as it supports their views can be pretty horrifying
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:42:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When someone said "holy shit" to something relating to Asia, I said "hory sheet." -34.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:25:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This thread DOES say "unreasonable" and that is very unfunny.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've had similar comments get lots of upvotes. It's very fickle. And that was funny.
Krickalicious ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:58:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's not funny.
Source: am Asian
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:13:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I just meant it in the /r/imgoingtohellforthis racist joke way, not actual racism.
aetbeut ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
While I do enjoy the subreddit, /r/imgoingtohellforthis jokes should stay in /r/imgoingtohellforthis
Alexjp127 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Down vote for prejudice.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:08:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You can only critize Christianity when that religion becomes a minority again . It's that simple
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It just seems to be that people assume all Christians hate anyone who isn't Christian, and that all Christians are uneducated hicks. We aren't entirely stupid or ignorant. The whole "hating everyone who isn't christian." Thing is kind of rediculous, as it is preached in the bible not to hate anyone, as it is committing murder in your heart. I'm also one of the few Christians who plays Pokemon because I realize it is A) just a game. And B) not in the slightest "demonic" or "evil". In the same vein, I don't mind Harry Potter, as long as the distinction between reality and a movie/book created fiction are understood.
TransgenderPride ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I've no problem with you guys as long as you're respectful of my beliefs as I am of yours.
Unfortunately a lot of the crazies screaming at me has given you guys rather a bad name. :( They're rare, but they're the ones I notice most.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:15:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, man. As much as I disagree with transgenderism/homosexuality/bisexuality, I don't hate people nor am I phobic over it. I just pray for them and hope they come around. I treat them as Jesus would have treated them, with love.
Admiral_Donuts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You would have a better point if politics, policies, and the media weren't so swayed by radical Christian and Puritan ideals.
People dislike Christianity as a whole because the reasonable Christians do nothing to moderate or attempt to stop radical Christians from pushing their crazy agenda.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:28 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If we try to get them to stop doing something, they basically call us heretics and tell us to back off. I'm not kidding. Our pastor at our last church was like this, and his sermons were so boring that we were falling asleep during the service. He never could teach anything coherently understandable, either. To the point that my parents would actually let me use my phone that I'm using to post this reply during the service. I think the main reason we hadn't already left at that point is because there were plenty of people there who were reasonable and good, loving people. He said he "doesn't believe" in prom. Well, he thinks it's an unsupervised party of Juniors all night. It is a party of juniors all night, but heavily chaperoned. He was complaining that my older sister was going to prom. This ticked me and my parents off. He complained that I was using my phone during his very boring and incoherent sermons. These events were what motivated is to finally leave.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If someone posted a well reasoned and non-inflammatory statement critical of Christianity, sure, that's fine. But people usually just think they're being edgy by posting "God exists" under threads like "What false thing did you think was true for way too long". That's dumb. You're being pointlessly incendiary.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 18:41:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I supported Marco Rubio for president. Downvoted because he wasn't a 74 year old socialist Vermont Senator.
spiritcrusher77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not surprised you're getting downvoted here. I supported him as well, and I wish people would stop downvoting people for simply expressing their views. Did you insult somebody? No. Does your opinion hurt people? No. Ridiculous.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:02:07 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a guy hit -90 for liking Trump. In the same thread.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:49:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not down voted but banned.
I commented on a picture of a cute woman in Old School Cool.
My comment was: "I definitely would"
I was permanently banned from the sub by the Nazi mod
Because I don't give a shit about Karma or votes, I just created a new username
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:09:00 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's also a pointless comment. It's like something that fat guy from the office would say.
Oh you'd have sex with her? That's amazing. Glad you released us from the suspense of not knowing.
LynxingParty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
All comments here are pointless.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Some are extra pointless.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:57:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No one would know better than you.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:57:02 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Because every comment on Reddit is supposed to be deep and thoughtful. Unless of course the comment police like you chime in to critique others. Presumably because you have no life and Reddit is your only platform to pretend you're relevant.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:47 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Not all comments isn't supposed to be deep and thoughtful, but they should at least add to the conversation, have you even read the Reddiquette? Saying that you would have sex with someone isn't contributing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:29:00 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
" They should at least add to the conversation".... Seriously?
Have you actually been on Reddit? Have you seen the circle jerk conversations? I would go so far as to say most comments add very little with the exception of some of the serious sub Reddits, of which, Old School Cool isn't one of them.
And no I haven't read Reddiquette. Nor have I read the terms and conditions on any other website I visit.
The difference between us is that you are really wrapped up in Reddit, while I could give a shit if it went dark tomorrow.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:49 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you haven't read the Reddiquette, you are unfit to be contributing to this site. Please read that and come back later.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:41:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yah... Right.
Let me get right on it.
And you go ahead and continue to be the best Reddit fanboy / groupie you can be.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Being a fanboy is different from not being an asshole on public forums. The reddiquette is a few paragraphs that teach you how to not be an asshole. This is quite obviously something you are in need of.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:11 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You just called me an asshole.
I'm going to report you!
InapropriateComment_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I asked a guy how his butt plug felt
OhHiItsMe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:46:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Both on twoxchromosomes one stating that maybe a guy wasn't being sexist and was just honestly concerned for her well being. The other sharing why parents may be more casual about their sons sex life than their daughters. You really can't go against the grain there.
sp0rkah0lic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:10:46 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much all my comments in a discussion about the incorrect use of "literally." It was a "what pisses you off" thread, too.
CarpeNoctem_77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:29:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
"Islam is a death cult"
clockworkgirl21 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:00:46 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's just incorrect.
A death cult is a religion or belief system that worships death. If tomorrow I started my own religion about the god of death and how he wants everyone to die in order to serve him in the afterlife, that would be a death cult.
Islam sometimes puts people to death, but they aren't doing it to serve death itself. They do it to punish.
CarpeNoctem_77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:17 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Oh, is that so? And where did you get that definition? Webster's dictionary? I don't think so. Even if that were the definition, fundamentalist Islam wouldn't be too far off. Islamists believe that to be killed in defense of the faith is to martyred, and means that paradise awaits. They worship paradise and therefore they worship death.
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:54 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Def of death cult:
The fact that terrorists have to be persuaded to kill or commit suicide with a promise of paradise shows it isn't a death cult. If it were, they would be doing it for death's sake, not just to receive a reward for serving their religion. They kill to punish, not to please death.
If someone worships death, why would they need anything extra to convince them to die? Is Islam were a true death cult, no paradise would need to be promised because it wouldn't matter to them.
CarpeNoctem_77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Pedantics, my friend. Once the terrorists ARE indoctrinated into the faith, they begin viewing death as the avenue for eternal life in paradise. Therefore they seek out death through Jihad.
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:32 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But do they want death for death's sake? That's what makes a death cult.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:09 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and I've never seen it mentioned anywhere other than right wing web sites. The video where it supposedly originated seems to be elusive.
Islam has over 1.6 billion followers. If this was a tenet it would appear more.
As for the Muslim Brotherhood, that quote still doesn't say they're dying for the sake of death. They're dying for Allah and a perceived movement. I never said Islam, along with any other religion, doesn't have members that kill themselves or others to please god. But to be a death cult they have to be doing it to please death.
And even if the Muslim Brotherhood was worshiping death, they have about 500K members. Hamas has even less. That's 0.00003% of all Muslims. That would sort of be like giving Mormon characteristics to all Christians.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So you clearly have nothing else. Thanks. On my way.
CarpeNoctem_77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
So no, I suppose they do not seek death for the "sake of death" per say, but they do worship the perceived result of death and the process of dying for the faith. If that is you main qualm with the proposition "Islam is a death cult", then you seem like an apologist and an enabler to me.
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:10 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I actually look down on all religion, Islam included.
People just call Islam a death cult because they don't like it and a death cult sounds like a mean thing to call it.
Nevermind that a cult by definition has a small group of followers, and Islam has 1.6 billion followers. It isn't any kind of cult at all.
myheadfire ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In response to: Graduates earning less than those who did not go to university, research reveals : Those studying the creative arts and mass communication go on to be among the lowest paid graduates
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/4el20c/graduates_earning_less_than_those_who_did_not_go/d2120zj
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Or something like that.
Arcian_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Commented on a post saying that my friend was relentlessly bullied for being a bisexual in high school. And sarcastically asked if he should have filled out a "My feelings are hurt" form.
KingOvHell ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:59:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one
diegojones4 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:06:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I got downvoted for complimenting someone's comment.
ten_inch_pianist ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 14:10:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because it's a pointless comment. That's what the upvote is for.
King_of_the_Kobolds ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do most certainly agree with this statement, my good sir. If I might be so bold, I would say this represents the very pinnacle of what reddit can, should, and will be if we all merely throw our hats into the ring and give the relentless tide of pointless drivel and substance-less posting the ol' what for.
Tally ho and pip pip!
Voccams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:28 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That was a good reply, well written and expertly punctuated. You should be happy with it
King_of_the_Kobolds ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:57 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Why thank you my good chap. Your approval means the world to me.
WalkerTxsRngr7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This is a good comment.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:31:58 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
That's because complimenting someone's comment adds nothing to the conversation. Those are the kinds of comments the Reddiquette directly says to downvote.
Janitarium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit can be a fickle bitch
kewday96 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:21:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Thats reddit!
diegojones4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. The amount of hate it got surprised me. It's now my most downvoted comment.
dec1mus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:49 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I mention I own a GTX 1080 I get automatically downvoted.
dec1mus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:52:27 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
See it's happening again.
Uber-A ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/4hua43/paul_feigs_actual_pitch_for_the_new_ghostbusters/d2se4b6?context=3
This beauty.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Uber-A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I mentioned that in my post. Read it again, you dingbat.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:59:30 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Uber-A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and more than one person hates the movie because they're sexist pigs who dislike the female cast. Lots of people say it doesn't look good for valid reasons with good critiques. But do not act like nobody is sexist towards it. That's why I said this:
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Uber-A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
NO, not really.
Do you not see the horrible, sexist comments online under each of the trailers? Not the controversy stirred up the moment an all female cast was announced?
Dingbat. Open a goddamn book and read it!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:23 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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Uber-A ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:28:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No, not really.
Don't get mad just because YOU didn't read my post correctly and because YOU haven't experienced the sexism.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:30:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
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zacwillb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
dude what the fuck are you on about just give it up
Uber-A ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I read that final reply like 3 hours ago and decided to not even give a thoughtful response. He has just opened up a can of worms with his 'rubik logic' and gone on a completely different path to what I was saying.
He's an idiot.
rubiklogic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:02:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah my B, what the fuck was I thinking yesterday? Anyway I deleted all my comments, you're right they were pretty stupid. Sorry.
whatstomatawithyou ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:15 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said I don't believe guns are a necessity and in many countries officers dont carry any. Got 69 downvotes and people were messaging for says saying "but how will you defend yourself?" As if police and such dont exist.
zm34 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
What, do you carry a policeman in your pocket every day? When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away. A firearm is also the only thing that can put an old man or a hundred-pound woman on the same level as a physically fit, 200-pound violent criminal.
whatstomatawithyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:15 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
idk where you live but violent criminals arent rampant in my neighborhood or city. Enjoy your confrontational, violent and short life.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The police's job is not to defend you but enforce the law.
skyflyer8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:35 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Correct. The police don't work for you, they work for the government.
whatstomatawithyou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:12:30 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I will re-iterate what I said to the other guy, their motto is "To Serve and Protect" what don't you understand about that? Dumbass.
skyflyer8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:30:35 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They "serve and protect" the government. On paper, their job may be to protect the public and many cops may seek to do just that, but in reality, their purpose is to serve the government.
whatstomatawithyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
what do you think "serve and protect" means you moron? Jesus christ I don't go around being confrontational, I won't elevate the situation to something much worse and where I live crime isn't rampant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:38 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Google warren vs District of Columbia
whatstomatawithyou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:14:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I don't live in the United States of Paranoia
Viking1865 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:47 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Wow do police in your country follow you around? Or are they just stationed on every street corner?
whatstomatawithyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
crime isn't on every street corner, don't aggravate a situation as much as you can, avoid conflict, call the cops. I can't speak for you but I don't go around trying to cause trouble.
Viking1865 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:45:19 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
But sometimes trouble finds you. You buy insurance. You get a yearly medical checkup. You wear your seatbelt. Why? Because sometimes shit happens.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:56:24 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to know your attacker will wait for the police to arrive before he hurts you.
whatstomatawithyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:55 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
because violent crime will find me at every street corner in every alley at any time of day. Give me a break, leave your paranoia at home and don't try and cause trouble, its as simple as that.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:34 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
When I commented that Green Goblin should be the next big bad in The Marvel MCU. The OP was just asking opinions on what next after Thanos. Just gave my 2 cents. Got like -10.
blackangelsdeathsong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:45 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that Jonathan Swift didn't write 'a Modest Proposal' with the intention of it actually be an implementable idea.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:12:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
geraffes are dumb
KiltedGunstar ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:05:37 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I used to frequent r/ gamecollecting and was excited to share my wife and I's game collection / living room setup after getting some pretty unique items. I posted an imgur album and it got something like 32% upvoted... and the only comments were that they didn't like our (antique, handmade middle-eastern) rug and that our curtains weren't a good length (we have awkward sized windows in our apartment). I don't get it.
joazito ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:26:31 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking a 15 year old girl isn't pedophilia, because that's a term that means attraction to prepubescent children (under 11 or, stretching it a bit, 13 years old).
clockworkgirl21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It's because SRS wants it to be so having sex with a 16-year-old is the same as raping a child.
joazito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:46 on June 10, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I... think you might be right. And we've both been downvoted, again...
samfringo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone said they liked the movie "There Will Be Blood", then I commented "I Drink Your MILKSHAKE!!!". It got a few likes then someone said "Haha yeah that's what he said in the movie.". Then everyone started disliking my comment, because of his comment!
Polominty ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:18:01 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
An anecdote about my cats being smart in a thread about examples of animals being smart.
I thought Reddit liked cats?
Edit- omg it happened again.
Purdaddy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:27:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ants
machineintheghost337 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:29:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I made a comment about how people need to calm down about calling out people for reposting. I mentioned that only like 5% of reddit is OC. If you aren't claiming you repost is OC then I don't see the problem. And then I was down voted to hell.
_2006 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:58 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Saying fallout 3 is better then fallout new Vegas is suicide on any fallout reddit
start_again ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:40:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Every time I talk about how I think it's gross to sit in a public toilet without a toilet seat cover or the like I always get downvoted. Let's see how it goes this time.
accountnumber120 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:41:13 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In /publicfreakout I said biking on the highway is dangerous and that I once was surprised by bikers on the highway and could have hit them if I wasn't paying attention. TONS of downvotes and swearing at me saying I was a horrible human being (For not wanting bikers to die and not hitting them with my car?) also saying I should not be allowed to drive (Again, for avoiding an accident?) and I don't know the law (I didn't mention any laws, but actually where they were biking WAS illegal) and also saying that I'm acting like I'm so great and a super driver (For slowing down). And that I should know unexpected things can happen on the highway (Which is why I said biking is dangerous and why I pay attention while driving so I can avoid hitting people). There were TONS more comments like that so I just ended up deleting my account because the stupid was way too strong. I always delete my account and make a new one when people argue with me because I just don't care to get into arguments.
Dravarden ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:54:04 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
not specifically but when you post something and its at -5 and a guy replies to you agreeing with everything you said, saying the same exact thing and he is at +5
like wtf ???
or pointing out that something controversial is actually good (with sources) like for example 90% of reddit hates apple, so you can't post how the iPhone 6S is faster than every smartphone ever, with sources of the claim, because you will be downvoted
desertravenwy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:17:01 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said that I felt bad for Pearl Harbor survivors who - to this day - let that singular event define them. Much like how rape and cancer survivors basically introduce themselves by that event, I find it somewhat sad to let one thing define your life... Especially something that happened 70 years ago.
I understand that it's a huge moment in history and everyone is going to react differently. But I think I topped -100 for that one.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:02 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I think people may have interpreted your comment as down playing the impact of the event.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I make youtube videos and do a twitch stream.
Whenever I posted them to /r/maa, /r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes, /r/ContestOfChampions , etc, they always get downvoted to all hell. I'm a MOD in /r/maa and all my videos I ever posted got downvoted to shit anyway :(
I get there are trolls on reddit. It just makes it really hard to get viewers and support when you're currently unemployed and trying to make some extra cash to keep doing what you love.
5Im4r4d0r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:10:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this one
Shoty6966-_- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:21:50 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said 9/11 was the best thing that has happened to america.
nmk55255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:38:43 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If you're being serious, I'm curious what your reasoning is.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:18:54 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I once commented on an AskReddit that was wondering what trend needed to be left in 2015.
I said "Feminism". You can assume what happened next.
ITS_JUST_SATIRE_BRO ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:22 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
FUCK UP MY KARMA FAM. I DARE YOU.
AllThePrettyBooks ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT more reminders that many redditors don't understand that the downvote button is not a disagree button.
asyty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Guys, since we're having a rational discourse on irrational downvotes, does anybody mind explaining why this parent comment got downvoted? Is what it says somehow not correct...?
Grumpy-Moogle ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Mentioning I'm a brony in a thread talking about how it's ok to like things like that.
Reddit hates bronies.
See? Downvotes.
Iconoficons ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:43:39 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Anytime my opinion has been different.
People can't handle that not everyone thinks the same apparently.
covok48 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
If one or two different opinions are downvoted then that's normal. If it's every different opinion you have then that's on you.
Iconoficons ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Having a different opinion that gets down voted into oblivion is hardly my fault.
I'm not going to agree with and kiss people's ass just to get up votes, if people can't handle that people think differently without hitting the down arrow out of spite that's their problem not mine.
higger_nair ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: overly sensitive people complaining about their karma
Indylicious ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:29:55 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
In a thread about women's fashion, I responded to a comment about big ugly clunky shoes. "Fat girl shoes."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:44 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
They are just angry you were so spot on.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:00:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)*
Got about a total of -50 of my opinion on saying "I could care less" as opposed to the 'correct' "I couldn't care less"
Edit: fucking seriously..?
Msfpsmcduck ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 14:33:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
Qmegali7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:12 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I'll help
HillbillyGainTrain ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:26 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Turtles
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:33 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
My most downvoted comment was me providing a list of tumblr genders.
weLl SoRrY fOR TrYIng To hELP
Telefunkin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: people gaining back lost karma on failed comments
distracted_x ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:40 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Someone made the joke 'there are two types of people in this world: those who pee in the shower and those who lie about it.' I replied that I actually don't and It was immediately downvoted multiple times and then up, down, up over the next few days and finally settled at -3. Peeing in the shower is apparently a controversial subject on Reddit.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 15:04:27 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I said something along the lines of how all Jews are evil and should be exterminated in /r/aww and people downvoted me for some reason.
CosmicJacknife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:41 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I do nazi the problem with that.
zm34 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:21 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
lol
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:32:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You know, people are rather sensitive about anything that they might see as nazi. I get you were probably joking, but I see why you were downvoted. A bunch of stupid and oversensitive idiots.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:24 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Criticizing Judaism and Jewish is forbidden in this century, even if the criticisms are legit . On the other hand, you have the freedom to criticize the jewish sect called "Islam" and sometimes the other jewish sect called "Christianism" and their subsects .
TheMaskedTom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:05 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, this should be yours.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:00:36 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The downvotes indeed confirm that criticism of Judaism is forbidden .
TheMaskedTom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:37 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
More like you don't know the difference between criticism and hate.
Or maybe you posted unrelated bs in an askreddit thread?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:11:26 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
From the perspective of a believer, the difference between criticism and hate is thin .
And since they have chosen faith over reason, I don't expect them to differentiate between the two
TheMaskedTom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:53 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Without seeing an example, it is hard to tell.
But I have oh-so-often seen people complaining about it being impossible to criticize Judaism/Jews or even Israel without being called antisemite, and when I went to see their comments I saw stuff like "Israel is apartheid!", "Jews are cancer/control the world", "Netanyahu = Hitler".
What I did not see is criticism like "Orthodox Jews encourage women to be submissive to men", "Some Jewish sects make rabbis kiss baby penises", or "Maybe Israel should try once again to propose a new peace plan, it has been a while" being called out to as being antisemitic.
Actually I have once for the last one, but it was about -20.
TheCreedsAssassin ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 14:17:48 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cat.
Lupin_AAGL ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:18 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Cat.
punkyredhead ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:11 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
The question was "what jobs could we do with out."
Someone responded psychic that they are scam artists. While I don't think they all can do what they say they can do. Some have a gift. I had an awesome experience in New Orleans with one and there was no way he could have known or read my reactions for some of what he told me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:45 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You might be an idiot.
Maddisonic ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:09:10 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
towerofpoop ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:56 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This
-Pixxell- ยท -41 points ยท Posted at 13:45:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Probably this one.
๐๏ธ ranmarox ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:46:29 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you're trying to do.
-Pixxell- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:50:34 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
It actually worked!
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:09:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
Trustable_links ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:09 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
No.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:59 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:33:19 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
Help the dream everyone.
hamchopper ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:16:04 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
itsCowfoot ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:52:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This.
Alcoholicdogethrower ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:50:17 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one
onionleekdude ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 18:56:14 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
OkArmordillo ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:00:06 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
sebsaja ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 19:45:20 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
this one
Threeballer97 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:52:32 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
GoldenOlive ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:59:38 on June 5, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
This one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:06 on June 6, 2016 ยท (Permalink)
boobs.